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From mebesius@sfu.ca Mon Jan  1 17:11:10 PST 1996
Article: 18378 of alt.revisionism
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From: mebesius@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,can.general,bc.general,van.general,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Dead Jews and Power (and hate? and blood?)
Date: 1 Jan 1996 18:34:07 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University
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Let's assume that having a Jewish branch of the Canadian Red Cross has
nothing to do with a Jewish blood supply (it probably doesn't--I was
being facetious!).  Still, what is the point?  Why would it be necessary
to have a Jewish branch of the Red Cross?  Does anybody know?
I would really like to know.

Does it mean that we might also need a Rastafarian, and a Hare Krishna, or 
even a Satanist, branch of the Red Cross?  We could all have our own branch of 
the Red Cross!  What would it hurt?  Nothing, I guess.  What would be the 
purpose?  I don't know.

You tell me.



From mebesius@sfu.ca Mon Jan  1 17:11:11 PST 1996
Article: 18379 of alt.revisionism
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From: mebesius@sfu.ca
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Subject: Re: Dead Jews and Power (and hate? and something fresh816)
Date: 1 Jan 1996 18:50:06 GMT
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If you go back to the original posting "Dead Jews and Power," you will
see that I was attacking the power of individual Jews and their families
(namely, the Bronfmans and the Oppenheimer).  I was not attacking all Jews,
or saying that all Jews are rich, or have to much power.  

Why you feel the need to provide sychophant justification and excuses for 
their privileged lives, I don't know.



From mebesius@sfu.ca Mon Jan  1 17:11:12 PST 1996
Article: 18390 of alt.revisionism
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From: mebesius@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,can.general,bc.general,van.general,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Everybody Got Balls, it seems
Date: 1 Jan 1996 19:29:15 GMT
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I am always amazed at how easy it is for people "out there" to jump
to conclusions, and hit me with their best adolescent profanity and
death threats.  When have I ever responded in kind?  I will always
give someone the benefit of the doubt--I try real hard.  It seems
like everyone got balls when they are not face-to-face with the person
they are throwing shit, insults, and death wishes at.  Every pathetic
weakling can be brave and extremely disrespectful, because of the
relative anonymity the internet provides.  So, here is a standing offer
to anyone who feels the need to bother me with their fighting words and
death threats: If you are ever in Vancouver, please, do give me a call.
I will meet with you--and we can talk, or we can see how brave you really
are.  I don't mind honest criticism and good arguments--in fact, I
welcome them.  But I will not have some e-mail address threaten my life.
I don't care how big you are, I will give you all the anger a 6'2" 200 lb
angry white male can.  If you are not prepared to back up your tough talk,
 don't do it.  You can be a chicken-shit coward, and no one will care.



From mebesius@sfu.ca Mon Jan  1 23:45:58 PST 1996
Article: 12997 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: mebesius@sfu.ca
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Subject: Everybody Got Balls, it seems
Date: 1 Jan 1996 19:36:46 GMT
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I am always amazed at how easy it is for people "out there" to jump
to conclusions, and hit me with their best adolescent profanity and
death threats.  When have I ever responded in kind?  I will always
give someone the benefit of the doubt--I try real hard.  It seems
like everyone got balls when they are not face-to-face with the person
they are throwing shit, insults, and death wishes at.  Every pathetic
weakling can be brave and extremely disrespectful, because of the
relative anonymity the internet provides.  So, here is a standing offer
to anyone who feels the need to bother me with their fighting words and
death threats: If you are ever in Vancouver, please, do give me a call.
I will meet with you--and we can talk, or we can see how brave you really
are.  I don't mind honest criticism and good arguments--in fact, I
welcome them.  But I will not have some e-mail address threaten my life.
I don't care how big you are, I will give you all the anger a 6'2" 200 lb
angry white male can.  If you are not prepared to back up your tough talk,
 don't do it.  You can be a chicken-shit coward, and no one will care.



From mebesius@sfu.ca Mon Jan  1 23:50:26 PST 1996
Article: 21756 of can.politics
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From: mebesius@sfu.ca
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: Everybody Got Balls, it seems
Date: 1 Jan 1996 19:27:05 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University
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I am always amazed at how easy it is for people "out there" to jump
to conclusions, and hit me with their best adolescent profanity and 
death threats.  When have I ever responded in kind?  I will always
give someone the benefit of the doubt--I try real hard.  It seems
like everyone got balls when they are not face-to-face with the person
they are throwing shit, insults, and death wishes at.  Every pathetic
weakling can be brave and extremely disrespectful, because of the
relative anonymity the internet provides.  So, here is a standing offer
to anyone who feels the need to bother me with their fighting words and
death threats: If you are ever in Vancouver, please, do give me a call.
I will meet with you--and we can talk, or we can see how brave you really 
are.  I don't mind honest criticism and good arguments--in fact, I 
welcome them.  But I will not have some e-mail address threaten my life.
I don't care how big you are, I will give you all the anger a 6'2" 200 lb
angry white male can.  If you are not prepared to back up your tough talk,
 don't do it.  You can be a chicken-shit coward, and no one will care.



From mebesius@sfu.ca Tue Jan  2 16:47:52 PST 1996
Article: 18523 of alt.revisionism
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From: mebesius@sfu.ca
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Subject: Lesson #1 about Race Issues
Date: 2 Jan 1996 19:29:55 GMT
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You can talk about too much Japanese investment in North America.  You can 
complain about immigrants who don't speak English.  You can even write a 
best-seller about race and IQ (_The Bell Curve_).
Black "nationalists" can talk about "black pride" and "supporting the
black community" or "taking care of your own."  The news can talk about Hong 
Kong Triads, or the Japanese Yakuza, or the Russian mob, and no one (important) 
seems to care.  But, mention anything to do with Jews, and watch out!  It will 
hit the fan!  Judging from all the hate e-mail, profanity, and death wishes 
I've received in the last couple of days, I would say that                      
                    
it is not allowed.  If there is a hierarchy of victims, Jews are on top.

But what really bothers me is that I have been called things like a
hate-monger and an anti-Semite.  I don't see myself as a hateful person.  I 
just don't.  I don't believe in a big Jewish conspiracy to
control the world.  I don't say that all Jews are rich and powerful.
I don't deny the holocaust.  

But why can't I point to two very powerful Jewish families and say that I 
think they have too much power?  I can, but then all hell breaks loose!  If I 
took the typical left-liberal critique of anything, and pointed to Dead White 
Males (say Shakespeare, or Adam Smith, or Max Weber), for instance, and then 
said, something like, they have too much influence in Western thought, no one 
would throw a hissy.  If I said white males make up a disproportionate number 
of police officers, or firemen, or whatever, and recommended compensatory 
measures like affirmative action or that we "encourage visible minorities to 
apply," I would not get hate e-mail.  Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like you 
can talk about race...just as long as you don't talk about Jews.  If you do, 
you might as well be Hitler himself.





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