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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: McKinstry's "DNA test" (was: Les scuttles under the carpet...)
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> >> Indeed. I think some elaboration is in order. Please answer the
> >> following:
> >> 
> >> (1) Which nucleotide sequences make one "white"?
> >> 
> >See *
> >> (2) Who determined this?
> >>
> >See * 
> >> [...deletia...]
> >> (5) What studies exist to confirm that DNA testing is, in fact,
> >> capable of determining the "whiteness" of an individual?
> >> 
> >See *
> 
> >* Please do some research (for a change) into the area of human genetics
> >on migration (forget it's official name.)  They specialize in this field,
> >so, no doubt you could learn something.  
> 
> McKinstry demonstrates for us once more the essential bankruptcy of
> his views.
> 
> He put forth the proposition that "DNA testing will suffice" to
> determine "whiteness". I challenged him to back up this assertion with
> facts. But McKinstry has none -- he can't even tell us what field of
> scientific study would provide evidence for his claim.
> 
> So, rather than actually admit his error, he blithely asserts that it
> is _my_ duty to find the evidence to back up _his_ claims.
> 
> There can be only one reason for this action on McKinstry's part: he
> can't back up his claims, and he knows it. To admit this, however,
> would be fatal to the aura of superiority to other Usenet participants
> that McKInstry has claimed for himself.
> 
> McKinstry has attempted to arrogate to himself the position of
> "teacher", supposedly to "educate" his fellow netizens on the alleged
> inferiority of all non-whites -- never mind that he cannot define who
> is "white". He has nothing to teach us on that subject, for he knows
> nothing about it. He has, however, done an excellent job teaching us
> about two of the primary characteristics of the racist mind: ignorance
> and cowardice. For that, the rest of us should be grateful.
> 
> Now, answer the question, coward: what facts can you present that
> support your contention that DNA testing can determine "whiteness"?
> 
> _You_ made the claim. _You_ support it.



I gave you a title Jeffrey, if you wish to remain ignorant, then that is
your choice.  You see Jeffrey, I won't fulfill your fetish of me being the
teacher and you the pupil.  If you sincerely wish to know, you can always
find a book on human genetics and read it.  Those geneticists that
research human migration specialize in this topic, I don't claim on being
an expert in this field, which is why I haven't given any hypothesises
concerning the aforementioned topic.  However you done an excellent job
teaching us about two of the primary characteristics of the liberal mind:
slothfulness and closemindeness.  For that, the rest of us should be
grateful.

Do you wish me to find the exact title for this area of genetic research
or are you afraid of doing a lot of reading?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Sep  3 14:23:22 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >To the sore loser Jeff Han, I've already started the debate again. 
> >Somewhere in the mists of the Lords of the Soil you'll  find something
> >relating to you.  You'll have to read some of it first, which should make
> >a change (reading that is.)
> 
>   TRANSLATION: I am too much of a chickenshit to rehash my flatulence in the
> same NG where it was exposed for the lie that it is, so I decided to run away
> and `start the debate' again in alt.sex.sheep. 
> 
According to my newsbrowser, Lords of the Soil exists in this newsgroup. 
So your comments are a little naive.  If they didn't get through I can
always repost it, but then again you are a sore loser as well as a coward.

>   You are flattering yourself again, Colon.  You are still running.  I
will say
> it again: `enlighten' me further on the `white' Aztec royal line, HERE, or 
> crawl back under your pebble.  Your evasions are becoming tiresome...
> 
I suggest you do some reading Jeff Han.  Hopefully it won't be too much of
change for you.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Sep  3 14:23:23 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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>   
> 
>   You are *still* runniiiing, Colon...

Jeff, I am not running.  You are a loser.  Please read Lords of the Soil
before you give us any more verbal diarrhaea.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Sep  3 14:25:41 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: This board...
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 08:25:10 +1200
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> >> >...When was
> >> >the last time a liberal showed any research connected with their posts? 
> >> >Take for example their responses on this thread, all of them without
> >> >exception are not thought out.  
> >> 
> >> Take for example your assertion that a 1950s (or was it 1930's?)
> >> "Webster's Dictionary" gave "Jew" as a definition of "parasite". How
> >> much "research" went into that gem?
> >> 
> >Before I answer your question Jeffrey, could we have an example of your
> >research, so far I witnessed from your department a big fat ZERO.
> 
> I don't make claims I can't back up, coward. I do point out your
> failures of logic and evidence. Pisses you off big time, does it? 

You'd have to be successful at pointing out my failures of logic and
evidence first, Jeffrey.  Perhaps I would get pissed off then, for someone
like you, who has only majored in being pedantic, it seems highly
unlikely.  Unlike you Jeffrey, I don't mind been pointed out where I'm
wrong.  Which is why you never post anything of value isn't it?  You're
afraid of been proven wrong.

> Then
> quit shooting off your mouth before you know what you're talking
> about. Ignorance and cowardice are a fatal mixture when you're trying
> to impress others with your "superiority".
> 
I don't have to try to impress others with my "superiority" Jeffrey, you
like the others try to impress me with your "inferiority."  Which you
successfully do.

> Quit dodging, coward, and answer the question: how much research did
> you do before posting that "definition" crap?
> 
Sounds more like you are the coward Jeffrey, are you afraid of research? 
Afraid of a little work?

To answer your question, I did little research before posting the
definition, I did plenty afterwards, however.  I even loosely said it once
as well Jeffrey.  Though I imagine your pride got in the way.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Sep  3 14:25:42 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: McKinstry's "DNA test" (was: Les scuttles under the carpet...)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 08:37:28 +1200
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> >> Indeed. I think some elaboration is in order. Please answer the
> >> following:
> >> 
> >> (1) Which nucleotide sequences make one "white"?
> >> 
> >See *
> >> (2) Who determined this?
> >>
> >See * 
> >> [...deletia...]
> >> (5) What studies exist to confirm that DNA testing is, in fact,
> >> capable of determining the "whiteness" of an individual?
> >> 
> >See *
> 
> >* Please do some research (for a change) into the area of human genetics
> >on migration (forget it's official name.)  They specialize in this field,
> >so, no doubt you could learn something.  
> 
> McKinstry demonstrates for us once more the essential bankruptcy of
> his views.
> 
> He put forth the proposition that "DNA testing will suffice" to
> determine "whiteness". I challenged him to back up this assertion with
> facts. But McKinstry has none -- he can't even tell us what field of
> scientific study would provide evidence for his claim.
> 
> So, rather than actually admit his error, he blithely asserts that it
> is _my_ duty to find the evidence to back up _his_ claims.
> 
> There can be only one reason for this action on McKinstry's part: he
> can't back up his claims, and he knows it. To admit this, however,
> would be fatal to the aura of superiority to other Usenet participants
> that McKInstry has claimed for himself.
> 
> McKinstry has attempted to arrogate to himself the position of
> "teacher", supposedly to "educate" his fellow netizens on the alleged
> inferiority of all non-whites -- never mind that he cannot define who
> is "white". He has nothing to teach us on that subject, for he knows
> nothing about it. He has, however, done an excellent job teaching us
> about two of the primary characteristics of the racist mind: ignorance
> and cowardice. For that, the rest of us should be grateful.
> 
> Now, answer the question, coward: what facts can you present that
> support your contention that DNA testing can determine "whiteness"?
> 
> _You_ made the claim. _You_ support it.



I gave you a title Jeffrey, if you wish to remain ignorant, then that is
your choice.  You see Jeffrey, I won't fulfill your fetish of me being the
teacher and you the pupil.  If you sincerely wish to know, you can always
find a book on human genetics and read it.  Those geneticists that
research human migration specialize in this topic, I don't claim on being
an expert in this field, which is why I haven't given any hypothesises
concerning the aforementioned topic.  However you done an excellent job
teaching us about two of the primary characteristics of the liberal mind:
slothfulness and closemindeness.  For that, the rest of us should be
grateful.

Do you wish me to find the exact title for this area of genetic research
or are you afraid of doing a lot of reading?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: WHITE MEN ARE JEALOUS OF BLACK MEN..
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 08:42:00 +1200
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> Sounds like you're going through a bad bout of extreme penis envy.
Besides, it's 
> more normal to stick your dick in someone's ass that into a sheep... You
suck...
> 
How is it normal for someone to shove his dick in the sewer?  Also whats
this about sheep, you into beastility as well?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >To the sore loser Jeff Han, I've already started the debate again. 
> >Somewhere in the mists of the Lords of the Soil you'll  find something
> >relating to you.  You'll have to read some of it first, which should make
> >a change (reading that is.)
> 
>   TRANSLATION: I am too much of a chickenshit to rehash my flatulence in the
> same NG where it was exposed for the lie that it is, so I decided to run away
> and `start the debate' again in alt.sex.sheep. 
> 
According to my newsbrowser, Lords of the Soil exists in this newsgroup. 
So your comments are a little naive.  If they didn't get through I can
always repost it, but then again you are a sore loser as well as a coward.

>   You are flattering yourself again, Colon.  You are still running.  I
will say
> it again: `enlighten' me further on the `white' Aztec royal line, HERE, or 
> crawl back under your pebble.  Your evasions are becoming tiresome...
> 
I suggest you do some reading Jeff Han.  Hopefully it won't be too much of
change for you.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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>   
> 
>   You are *still* runniiiing, Colon...

Jeff, I am not running.  You are a loser.  Please read Lords of the Soil
before you give us any more verbal diarrhaea.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: McKinstry's "DNA test" (was: Les scuttles under the carpet...)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 08:37:28 +1200
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> >> Indeed. I think some elaboration is in order. Please answer the
> >> following:
> >> 
> >> (1) Which nucleotide sequences make one "white"?
> >> 
> >See *
> >> (2) Who determined this?
> >>
> >See * 
> >> [...deletia...]
> >> (5) What studies exist to confirm that DNA testing is, in fact,
> >> capable of determining the "whiteness" of an individual?
> >> 
> >See *
> 
> >* Please do some research (for a change) into the area of human genetics
> >on migration (forget it's official name.)  They specialize in this field,
> >so, no doubt you could learn something.  
> 
> McKinstry demonstrates for us once more the essential bankruptcy of
> his views.
> 
> He put forth the proposition that "DNA testing will suffice" to
> determine "whiteness". I challenged him to back up this assertion with
> facts. But McKinstry has none -- he can't even tell us what field of
> scientific study would provide evidence for his claim.
> 
> So, rather than actually admit his error, he blithely asserts that it
> is _my_ duty to find the evidence to back up _his_ claims.
> 
> There can be only one reason for this action on McKinstry's part: he
> can't back up his claims, and he knows it. To admit this, however,
> would be fatal to the aura of superiority to other Usenet participants
> that McKInstry has claimed for himself.
> 
> McKinstry has attempted to arrogate to himself the position of
> "teacher", supposedly to "educate" his fellow netizens on the alleged
> inferiority of all non-whites -- never mind that he cannot define who
> is "white". He has nothing to teach us on that subject, for he knows
> nothing about it. He has, however, done an excellent job teaching us
> about two of the primary characteristics of the racist mind: ignorance
> and cowardice. For that, the rest of us should be grateful.
> 
> Now, answer the question, coward: what facts can you present that
> support your contention that DNA testing can determine "whiteness"?
> 
> _You_ made the claim. _You_ support it.



I gave you a title Jeffrey, if you wish to remain ignorant, then that is
your choice.  You see Jeffrey, I won't fulfill your fetish of me being the
teacher and you the pupil.  If you sincerely wish to know, you can always
find a book on human genetics and read it.  Those geneticists that
research human migration specialize in this topic, I don't claim on being
an expert in this field, which is why I haven't given any hypothesises
concerning the aforementioned topic.  However you done an excellent job
teaching us about two of the primary characteristics of the liberal mind:
slothfulness and closemindeness.  For that, the rest of us should be
grateful.

Do you wish me to find the exact title for this area of genetic research
or are you afraid of doing a lot of reading?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >> Indeed. I think some elaboration is in order. Please answer the
> >> following:
> >> 
> >> (1) Which nucleotide sequences make one "white"?
> >> 
> >See *
> >> (2) Who determined this?
> >>
> >See * 
> >> [...deletia...]
> >> (5) What studies exist to confirm that DNA testing is, in fact,
> >> capable of determining the "whiteness" of an individual?
> >> 
> >See *
> 
> >* Please do some research (for a change) into the area of human genetics
> >on migration (forget it's official name.)  They specialize in this field,
> >so, no doubt you could learn something.  
> 
> McKinstry demonstrates for us once more the essential bankruptcy of
> his views.
> 
> He put forth the proposition that "DNA testing will suffice" to
> determine "whiteness". I challenged him to back up this assertion with
> facts. But McKinstry has none -- he can't even tell us what field of
> scientific study would provide evidence for his claim.
> 
> So, rather than actually admit his error, he blithely asserts that it
> is _my_ duty to find the evidence to back up _his_ claims.
> 
> There can be only one reason for this action on McKinstry's part: he
> can't back up his claims, and he knows it. To admit this, however,
> would be fatal to the aura of superiority to other Usenet participants
> that McKInstry has claimed for himself.
> 
> McKinstry has attempted to arrogate to himself the position of
> "teacher", supposedly to "educate" his fellow netizens on the alleged
> inferiority of all non-whites -- never mind that he cannot define who
> is "white". He has nothing to teach us on that subject, for he knows
> nothing about it. He has, however, done an excellent job teaching us
> about two of the primary characteristics of the racist mind: ignorance
> and cowardice. For that, the rest of us should be grateful.
> 
> Now, answer the question, coward: what facts can you present that
> support your contention that DNA testing can determine "whiteness"?
> 
> _You_ made the claim. _You_ support it.



I gave you a title Jeffrey, if you wish to remain ignorant, then that is
your choice.  You see Jeffrey, I won't fulfill your fetish of me being the
teacher and you the pupil.  If you sincerely wish to know, you can always
find a book on human genetics and read it.  Those geneticists that
research human migration specialize in this topic, I don't claim on being
an expert in this field, which is why I haven't given any hypothesises
concerning the aforementioned topic.  However you done an excellent job
teaching us about two of the primary characteristics of the liberal mind:
slothfulness and closemindeness.  For that, the rest of us should be
grateful.

Do you wish me to find the exact title for this area of genetic research
or are you afraid of doing a lot of reading?

Cailean.

-- 
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> : Hopefully the liberals that like to triumph this question have the courage
> : to admit their mistake.
> 
> : The American Indian question:  From the Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990, vol.
> : 18, pp 851, The Races of Mankind, The American Indian geographic race.
> 
> : "Though some groups developed high civilization and then disappeared *,
> : there also has been considerable continuity in many areas with living
> : populations closely resembling those recovered from ancient burials.  Many
> : American Indian groups were eliminated as a result of disease, colonial
> : expansion, and forced relocation: but others have come to exceed their
> : pre-Columbian numbers with varying degrees of admixture from Europe and
> : Africa"
> 
> Just as it is today, California was the most populous area in north
> America five hundred years ago. There were numerous highly complex
> cultures with exquisite artistic and social achievements, dozens of
> distinct languages. More than one million Natives are estimated to
> have lived there.
> 
> Where are they? Primarily wiped out (murdered through slavery and
> torture) by the Spanish padres, whose every mission and road was
> built by these forgotten people.
> 
> In northern California, they were hunted and annihilated by MkKinstries
> and Griswolds and the like, genocide in its pure form. Now they would
> be lucky to count their numbers in thousands, with only one or two
> tribes managing to survive.
> 
> You're severely lacking, Colin.
> 
The question asked of Les, was concerning Canada, not northern
California.  Hopefully you can distinguish the distinction.

Cailean.

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I was originally planning on finding a children's picture book on Ancient
Egypt, so you will have to accuse the more adult's reading books.  Sorry
to all those children out there that cannot discern racial types.  

A Dictionary of Egyptian Gods and Goddesses, George Hart 1986, 
ISBN 0-7102-0167-2
Front cover - two white gods.

Egyptian Magic, E.A Wallis Budge 1988, ISBN 1-85063-106-9
Front cover - white woman.

Man and his Gods, encycolpedia of the world's religion, General Editor
Geoffrey Parrinder.
pp 120 pictures 1&2
   1. statue of the hereticking Akhenaten (Amenaphis IV) - white
   2. The god Saraphis, creation of Ptolemy I Sofer, portrayed Osiris-Apis
in human form - white.
pp 123 5. A granite statue of Chefren, king of the second pyramid at
Gizeh, one will not the side profile.

Tutankhamen, Christiane Dosroches-Noblecourt 1978
ISBN 0-8212-0151-4
pp 29 Painted ivory plague of Tutankhamen and Ankhesenamun - pinkish white.
pp 30 red depiction
pp 54 light skinned female mourners at the tomb of Woserhet.
pp 70 Side profile, showing caucasion features (non painted).
pp 80 painted box of red Tutankhamen. 
pp 81a.  Tutankhamen destroying black Africans
pp 81b.  Tutankhamen destroying Asians - note that the Asians are depicted
exactly the same as Tutankhamen (same colour skin and face.)
pp 82 lower ends of ceremonial canes showing two adversares of Egypt,
black African and a white Asian (refer to 81b.)
pp 105 Side profile of Bust of Queen Nefertiti - white
pp 171 One of the many ushabtis of Tutankhamen, face corroded, but note
pink hands.
pp 194 Pink skinned "dummy" of Tutankhamen.

The Making of the Past, The Egyptian Kingdoms, A. Rosche David, Phd 1975.

pp 68 Senufer (Red) and his wife (white)
pp 74 12th Dynasty, showing a woman with a lotus flower (she is white.)
pp 77 Ma'at, goddess of truth.  She receives adoration from Ramesses VI
(both white.)
pp 80 Funeral wall painting in a tomb at Deir-el-Medineh, Thebes all 9 are
pinkish white.
pp 89 Painted relief of Sethos I, lifting up a tray of food offering to
Isis.  From the temple of the Pharoah Sethos I as Abydos (pink)
pp 103 painting on plaster of the lady Thepeu - white statue of Methyethy
(pink.)
pp 107 tomb model of serving girl (white)
pp 130 Painting from a tomb at Thebes, showing building workers (pink.)
pp 132 Painting from the tomb of Ipy, pinkish brown.

Life in Ancient Egypt, Eugen Stouhal 1992
ISBN 0521440939
pp 25 Father and his naked children (off white)
pp 26-27 girls playing - pink
pp 32 vizier Ptahhotep pink
pp 38 Two ladies chatting pink
pp 39 Lady playing the lyre pink
pp 42 Banquet - pink people
pp 43 acrobatic female dancer - white
pp 53 Nofret and Rahotp (Nofret pink, Rahotep white)
pp 58 Man & wife ploughing field (he is red, she is white)
pp 77 Women & serving girl pink
pp 82 From the Book of the Dead - pink
pp 83 Princess Nefertaibt (white)
pp 84 young woman statuette - white
pp 90 painting of dark pink man ploughing
pp 107 Lady Cheritwebeshet before Horus - white
pp 126 Bakers pink
pp 127 Women grinding corn (off white)
pp 158 unfinished quartite of one of Akhenaten's six daughters pink
pp 159 Queen Nefertiti (off white)
pp 214 A scribe pink
pp 246 Achondroplastic dwarf & his family (4) two pink, two white.

A lot of white people for children to see in books.

Cailean.

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One of the least talented liberals came up with some stupid question for
me about whether Iberia = Hebrew.  Personally, I don't know why such a
question was posed of me, seeing I have never mentioned it, but then
liberals aren't known for there intelligence, only their laziness and
wilful ignorance.

Acomprehensive Etymogical Dictionary of the English Language 1966, Ernest
Klein 1966.

Hebrew n., and adj, - ME Ebreu fr.OF Ebreu, Ebrieu (F. Hebreu), fr. L
Hebraeus, fr. gk Ebpaios fr. Aram ibhray, 'ebhray' fr. hb. ibhri 'Hebrew'
lit. 'he who came across (the river)', fr 'ebher' region across, side from
the stem of 'abhar' he passed across or over', which is rel. to Aram. Syr
abhar, Arab abara, 'he passed over', Akkad eberu 'to pass over' Heb ebhra
'fury anger' (lit. overflow) Mishnaic Heb 'abhera' transressionism' Habaru

iberia n., the ancient name of the Spanish peninsula - [Hiberia, Iberia
'Spain' pro P 'country of the Hiberes or Ibores fr. Gk Ibnoes 'the
Spaniards' also the name of an ancient Asiatic people near the Caucasus.

Its feasible that eberu, Ebreu, Ebrieu, abara could be Iberia.  From a
phonetic view it could be possible.  A changing accent will change how a
word will be spelt -- in reference to the vowels.  Whether such a
connection is viable will result in the need for more research.  I'm more
interested in the reference to the Caucasus.  If anybody does some
research here I would be interested.

>From  the Oxford English Dictionary (I)
Iberian
2. An inhabitant of ancient Iberia in Asia. 
1601 Holland, Phiny I, 119 You enter into the Iberian region who are
separated from the Albanois (Ed's note. curious, Ancient Britain was
called similar) by the river Alazon, which runneth downe from the
Caucasion Hills.

Who was the liberal genius saying that the part of the white race didn't
come from the Caucasus mountions?

Cailean.

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Lloyd's Dictionary Vol. V 1895.
"nigger (2) *neger [a corruption of negro (q.v)]"

"negro, neger [Sp. negro = a black man, from Lat. nigrum, accus. of niger;
Ital., Span., & Port. negro; Fr. negre.]
A. As substantive:
Anthrop: The distinctly dark, as opposed to the fair, yellow, and brown
varieties of mankind.  Their original home was probably all Africa south
of the Sahara, India south of the Indo-Gengetic plains, Malaysia and the
greater part of Australisia."  Also included is the comparison of a negro
to a caucasion.
"1. The abnormal length of the arm, sometimes reaching to the knee-pan.
2. Prognathism (Facial Angle 70 deg., in Caucasion 82 deg.)
3. Weight of brain, 35 oz (in gorilla 20 oz, average European, 45 oz)
4. Full black eye, black iris, and yellowish sclerotic coat.
5. Short, flat, snub nose, broad at extremity, with dilated nostrils and
concave ridge.
6. Thick, protruding lips, showing inner surfaces.
7. Very large zygomatic arches.
8. Exceedingly thick cranium, enabling him to use the head as a weapon of
attack.
9. Weak lower limbs, terminating in a broad, flat foot, with low instip,
projecting and somewhat prehensile toe, and "lark heel."
10.  Complexion deep brown, blackish, or even black, not due to any
special pigment, but to the greater abundance of colouring matter in the
malpighan mucous membrane.
11. Short, black hair, distinctly woolly, not frizzly.
12. Thick epidermis, cool, soft, and velvety, mostly hairless, and
emitting a peculiar odour, described by Pruner Bey as hircine.
13. Frame of medium height, thrown somewhat out of the perpendicular by
the shape of the pelvis, the spine, the backward projection of the headm
and anatomical structure.
14. The cranial sutares, which close much earlier in the Negro than in
other races.

Negro "Minsheu gives the form neger; this is from the O.F negre (mod.F.
negre), 'a negro' (Cot.), and answers to mod.E. nigger."

I'll take it back about the spelling of the Spanish. So we get the word
nigger from the French and the Latin, instead of the Spanish and the
Latin.  Either way I'm being more culturally aware than you
multiculturalists.

Cailean.

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> : Have you ever heard of the term leader?  If everybody could be judges,
> : then why aren't they?  
> 
> By your "argument" only the "leaders" win in lotteries. After
> all, if everyone who purchased a ticket could win first prize,
> why don't they all do so?

You are confusing motivation with chance.  It's feasible for anyone with
the motivation to become a judge.  Motivation with game of chances does
not mean success.

> 
> : Most people follow the leader.
> 
> Most people of limited perception and intellect ascribe
> to all others their own charactristics. This is understandable
> but mistaken. Your ovine instinct, I can assure you, is not
> shared by the human race.
> 
Actually I view you d.A as more of the bovine instinct.  You follow the
leader, if you hadn't noticed I am not following the government's creed or
propaganda, which you are following.

Cailean.

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>   Well, I can tell I've been gone too long.  Not only is Jeanne's sig 
> changed, but her husband is posting now (Hi, Rob! *Stacia waves so 
> vigorously she falls over* :) ... and Colin has changed his name.  
>   Mind if I ask what that is, Colin?  The Celtic spelling?  And why?  
> Please feel free to bean me over the head with a variety of fruits if I'm 
> asking a tired old question.
> 
Cailean is gaelic for Colin.  At least in the Scottish dialect (haven't
checked the Irish.)  Why?  Because I prefer the name, as well as a fan of
all things Scottish.

Cailean.  Up "Scotland the Brave"

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Lloyd's Dictionary Vol. V 1895.
"nigger (2) *neger [a corruption of negro (q.v)]"

"negro, neger [Sp. negro = a black man, from Lat. nigrum, accus. of niger;
Ital., Span., & Port. negro; Fr. negre.]
A. As substantive:
Anthrop: The distinctly dark, as opposed to the fair, yellow, and brown
varieties of mankind.  Their original home was probably all Africa south
of the Sahara, India south of the Indo-Gengetic plains, Malaysia and the
greater part of Australisia."  Also included is the comparison of a negro
to a caucasion.
"1. The abnormal length of the arm, sometimes reaching to the knee-pan.
2. Prognathism (Facial Angle 70 deg., in Caucasion 82 deg.)
3. Weight of brain, 35 oz (in gorilla 20 oz, average European, 45 oz)
4. Full black eye, black iris, and yellowish sclerotic coat.
5. Short, flat, snub nose, broad at extremity, with dilated nostrils and
concave ridge.
6. Thick, protruding lips, showing inner surfaces.
7. Very large zygomatic arches.
8. Exceedingly thick cranium, enabling him to use the head as a weapon of
attack.
9. Weak lower limbs, terminating in a broad, flat foot, with low instip,
projecting and somewhat prehensile toe, and "lark heel."
10.  Complexion deep brown, blackish, or even black, not due to any
special pigment, but to the greater abundance of colouring matter in the
malpighan mucous membrane.
11. Short, black hair, distinctly woolly, not frizzly.
12. Thick epidermis, cool, soft, and velvety, mostly hairless, and
emitting a peculiar odour, described by Pruner Bey as hircine.
13. Frame of medium height, thrown somewhat out of the perpendicular by
the shape of the pelvis, the spine, the backward projection of the headm
and anatomical structure.
14. The cranial sutares, which close much earlier in the Negro than in
other races.

Negro "Minsheu gives the form neger; this is from the O.F negre (mod.F.
negre), 'a negro' (Cot.), and answers to mod.E. nigger."

I'll take it back about the spelling of the Spanish. So we get the word
nigger from the French and the Latin, instead of the Spanish and the
Latin.  Either way I'm being more culturally aware than you
multiculturalists.

Cailean.

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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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Subject: Re: McKinstry's "DNA test" (was: Les scuttles under the carpet...)
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> > >* Please do some research (for a change) into the area of human genetics
> > >on migration (forget it's official name.)  They specialize in this field,
> > >so, no doubt you could learn something.  
> > 
> > McKinstry demonstrates for us once more the essential bankruptcy of
> > his views.
> > 
> > He put forth the proposition that "DNA testing will suffice" to
> > determine "whiteness". I challenged him to back up this assertion with
> > facts. But McKinstry has none -- he can't even tell us what field of
> > scientific study would provide evidence for his claim.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Now, answer the question, coward: what facts can you present that
> > support your contention that DNA testing can determine "whiteness"?
> > 
> > _You_ made the claim. _You_ support it.
> 
> Your silence on this question has been noted, McKinstry. It is your
> standard tactic when you are challenged to actually back up your
> pronouncements with fact.
> 
> We are still waiting for an answer: what facts can you present that
> support your contention that DNA testing can determine "whiteness"?
> 
Thank you Jeffrey Brown.  Now beyond all shadow of doubt, we can
officially call you a fool.  As all the net can give witness on your
attempt to play the hero, has turned on you, and made you into an utter
fool.  You should have read my last post before opening yourself for
ridicule, perhaps now you will have learned the lesson, on not to play the
pedantic fool.  No doubt you will cling to your claim on me not answering
"Which nucleotide sequences make one white?" and so forth.  I have never
postulated that I knew such sequences, yet you wish me to play the teacher
and tell you all the answers.  From your own logic, I will pose a similar
question, who was Sargon of Akkad's father?  

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> > >> >> > Ya see, Leshole, it's one thing to have a few
> typos in a
> > >> >> > quickie online typing of a rant or flame,
> > >> 
> > >> I notice you left yourself a convenient out, there.
> > > 
> > > I was cutting *you* some slack on that one, Les, but you were so quick to
> > > try and find something to pick apart that you didn't even notice.
> > 
> > Oh, sure.  And I just make SO MANY typos, Jeannie.
> 
> I don't care how many typos you make in the newsgroups, Les. The fact
> still remains that the National Alliance's web pages have errors that give
> the impression that you have a sloppy organization. Period. BTW, if you'd
> bother checking the attributions, you might notice that you've spelled by
> name wrong AGAIN.                                                      ^^

Shouldn't that be "my"?  You must be a bonehead like the Negroes too, Jeanne.  
> 
> > (snip)
> > 
> > > Amazing what someone can do in a few years if they're not plotting to take
> > > over the world with their imaginary friends, eh? A big difference between
> > > us is that everything that I said that I've done is true and has been
> > > documented by the university. You are still a putz, Les.
> > 
> > Jeannie, at least I don't treat the 'Net like some sort of Wailing Wall,
> > where I can come dump all my problems ("I married an asshole who beat and
> > abused me, and I stuck with him for two years before we 'went our
> > separate ways'".)  There IS such a concept as "dealing with it".
> 
> You're absolutely correct, Les. You treat the 'Net as a bathroom wall,
> where you dump your half-truths, outright lies, and laughable attempts at
> demonstrating your superior knowledge and ancestory. What you write is
> crap. What you are is an embarrassment to the human race. Deal with that.
> 
It's a bit hard to take you seriously, since you like to criticise other
peoples spelling mistakes and you make them yourself.  Remind me never to
hire you as my proofreader, bonehead.  All this gibberish you wrote, I
simply cannot understand it, you can't spell therefore your own statements
are pure crap.  You are such an embarrassment to the pedantic class of
liberals, bonehead.  Could you please not try to demonstrate your superior
spelling ability again?  

People who live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

For those that came in late: Jeanne made this statement that if literacy,
spelling and grammar are signs of intelligence then those that can't are
boneheads.  Since she has made a fuss on spelling with a WWW page,
therefore, by her own logic, she is a bonehead.  Congragulations go to
Jeanne, a non racist, racist (her own arguments say that negroes are
boneheads as well.)

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> : Hopefully the liberals that like to triumph this question have the courage
> : to admit their mistake.
> : 
> : The American Indian question:  From the Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990, vol.
> : 18, pp 851, The Races of Mankind, The American Indian geographic race.
> : 
> : "Though some groups developed high civilization and then disappeared *,
> : there also has been considerable continuity in many areas with living
> : populations closely resembling those recovered from ancient burials.  Many
> : American Indian groups were eliminated as a result of disease, colonial
> : expansion, and forced relocation: but others have come to exceed their
> : pre-Columbian numbers with varying degrees of admixture from Europe and
> : Africa"
> : 
> : * I'd like to expand this point at some future date, if I get time.
> : 
> : Cailean.
> 
> I do not have access to the 1990 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannicia, 
> but I do have access to the 1992 edition. In this edition, Volume 18, p.851
> is part of an article devoted to Human Evolution. The second columan on 
> p.851 contains a section headed "Tne American Indian race". This section is
> three paragraphs long. The third of these ends with the same words as
> those quoted in the posting from the address cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz.
> 
> To clarify matters, here is the rest of the section:
> 
> "In facial form and tooth morphology, and minor peculiarties such as
> brachymesophalangia-5, the indegenous peoples of the Americas often 
> resemble Asiatics, indicating a common ancestry. Some, in fact,
> have ,maintained affinites with the Asian mainland through the present,
> as is true of the Aleuts of the Aleutian Islands and the Eskimo of 
> northern Alaska. Yet most of the "Indians" that Christopher Columbus
> met had been residents of the Americas for thousands of years, dating
> back to the existence of land bridges and a more salubrious climate in
> Alaska and Siberia. It is therefore approrpiate to note the Asian origins
> and similarities, and the differences that have come about with time and
> isolation by distance and altered sea-levels.
> 
> "The absence of blood group B in American Indians is notable, suggesting
> that theycame to America before blood group B had attained a high
> frequency in Asia. In the MNS series, American Indians are overwhelmingly
> M, again indicative of the long separation. Yet such genetically determined
> traits as shovel-shaped incisors and a relatively high frequency of
> third-molar agenesis again reaffirm Asian origins, as does eyelid morphology 
> and (for most Indians) projecting malars (cheekbones). Hair form tends to be
> straight, hair shafts tend to be rather thick, and body haiur and facial hair
> tend to be sparse. Bearded representations are virtually absent in graphic art
> from the northwest coast, Central America and Peru. American Indians appear
> to share with Aisatics a lower tolerance for alcohol, indicated by lower
levels
> of the alcohol-degrading enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase.
> 
> "Most American Indians do not look like "schoolbook" (Plains) Indians, and
> many do not look especially Asiatic, for variability is great over the range
> of two continents.Though some groups developed high civilization and then 
> disappeared, there also has been considerable continuity in many areas with 
> living populations closely resembling those recovered from ancient burials. 
> Many American Indian groups were eliminated as a result of disease, colonial
> expansion, and forced relocation: but others have come to exceed their
> pre-Columbian numbers with varying degrees of admixture from Europe and
> Africa"
> 
> Viewed in context, I do not see what any "liberals" would need to admit
> as mistaken.

Yes they do, they keep asking this stupid question of Les on what was the
population of the Indians in Canada before the White man, and now.  I only
quoted what was relevant to the topic.  For instance I never mentioned the
low alcohol tolerance, which I could use for my own arguments.  You'll
find in most texts (maybe you don't read them), they only quote what is
relevant to their argument.  On no academic grounds does my quote do
injustice.  Therefore one can only assume your wilful ignorance and a want
to "look" intelligent.  To be more succinct, you are ranting.
> 
> While perusing this article, I looked at the classification into various
> "races. The article distinguishes nine "geographic races" (p.850) after
> explaining (p.849) that Homo sapiens "has a single origin, in terms of
> its single predecessor species, but with geographical differentiation
> arising well before the start of the Holcene epoch (about 10,000 years ago).
> At least some of the geographically delimited divisions of the species (i.e.
> the geographic or continental races) owe many of their distinctive
> features  to differences present at an earlier tme that were preserved."
> 
> On p. 850, there is a brief discussion of the origins of modern man.
> 
> "Africa, espeically the area around Lake Tanganyika, now appears to be 
> the homeland of Homo, in which case all humans must be of African
> ancestry."
>
Notice "now appears", ie., there are still differences of opinions.  There
is still room for doubt, etc.
 
> Even more salient to this newsgroup is the classification into nine
> "geographical races" of Homo sapiens, the only "racial classification"
> made in the article quoted by the poster from cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz.
>  
> "the European geographic race, which includes Europe, North Africa
> and the Middle East" (p.851)
> 
> The same page bears a map, coloured according to the geographiuc region
> occupied by each of these geographic races. Even a cursory glance shoes 
> that the "European race" includes, Moors, Arabs, Egyptians, Turks
> and all Jews, be they from the Middle East, Sephardic or Ashkenazy Jews!
> 
> So far the reference cited by the poster from cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz
> seems to support what the "liberals" have been saying.
> 
You could at least quote the Northwestern South Eastern Axis and the
various traits that go with it.  For example those along this border show
the ability to lactase better than other "Europeans."  Which is strange
since that border is prodominantly whiter than the rest (and it also
states that.)  You'll also find somewhere in the Brittanica a reference to
many more races of "mankind."  Whether you care to look for it is another
matter entirely.  It would seem you are pushing it uphill (I assume the
idiom is not lost you.)  So your argument is quite moot.  Especially
considering that it is only identifying races, in that section you are
quoting from, by geographical terms.  Though no doubt you didn't think of
that (perhaps you don't think.) 

> Of course there is more.
> 
> While I had the Britannica in my hand, I also looked up Australia
> (Volume 14 p. 430) and in the section  titled "Tools and Artifacts"
> there is *no* mention of anything to do with Phoenicia.
>
And?  I have been saying for a long time (well earlier this year anyway)
of the suppression of history.  Whether I post the articles of the finds
of Phoenician artifacts in Australia is doubtful (the academic year is
finishing soon, hastened by the need to study for exams and so forth.)  If
you care to wait some undetermined length of time (when I decide to
actually pay for internet connection rather than bludge of the University)
I will post them, most probably in either jpg or gif format (so the
pictures are preserved.)
 
> Volume 1 pp 758 -759 contains articles on Aztecs. No mention of a royalty
> esapecially not a white one.
>
See above, if you examine closely however, even their commentaries show a
separation of Aztecs and Indians.  You should also note the legends
concerned with the Aztec origins.  Also you should look at the
micropaedia, you'll note that the Aztecs are distributed throughout the
volumes.  You should read all of them, if memory serves me correct, the
one about the Aztec royalty I quoted to the sore loser was in volume 20
onwards (I haven't looked at it for about 6 months.)  No, it doesn't
specify race either.
 
> I looked in the telephone book for the area around Wilberforce. No R. Gilroy.
> 
Perhaps he has moved.  Either that or he is unlisted.  Perhaps you could
ring directory (or its equivalent.)

Cailean.

PS The I consider the Encyclopedia a good place to start, but not the end
for research.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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McKinstry  writes:
 
>You're asking to much of Jeff Han.  When he gets hard pressed, he reverts
>back to type, which is to say, "you're an Idiot", "you're a fucking
>idiot", "we have an idiot here", "you're an idiot" (just to empathise his
>brain going into an infinite loop.)  Then of course when you really have
>Jeff Han backed into a corner, he runs away for months.  When he deigns to
>show his head, he says he was on a trip to the USA.  Basically you are
 
Thanks for the support and I "KNOW" Han does not grasp the concept of honor
!He's just another "can type better than me,educated idiot".If he he "DARES" to
take me "head on",I'll squish him like the "bug" he is.


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> >   "More culturallly aware" my foot.  Colon, the only thing that you are
> showing
> > us is that you know how to read a dictionary- one that is 100 years out
> of date,BTW.  Of course, those are the only sort of documents that you
> could cite, 
> > considering that your theories are sheer tar...
> > 
> >   JeFf hAN
> Lets see Jeff, know anything about Maori culture, Mori Ori culture, Samoan
> culture, Tongan culture, Latin culture, Turkish culture, (M.E.) Indian
> culture, Moslem culture, and so forth?  Or were you humping sheep during
> those lessons?  You should take special note Jeff, seeing as I'm racist
> and you (supposedly) aren't.
> > 
> > P.S.: Exactly what edition of the `Encyclopedia Britannica' do you cite
> in your
> >      posts, Colon?  (it's an EARLY one, I'll bet...)
> > 
> Seeing as I tend to put the date of the Encyclopedia Brittanica I quote,
> you have made yourself into a fool again.  Obviously your reading skills
> are pitiful.  So now you are not only a sore loser, but a fool to boot. 
> Your ability to challenge is quite pathetic isn't it?
> 
One more thing, loser, have you no respect for history?  How do you think
history books are written?  Is there some bizarre mechanism in how history
is made without actually looking at who wrote such and such?  Has it ever
occurred to you that modern history books are written on things in the
past?  That the accumulation of knowledge is based on what has gone
before?  Of course in the light of your posts, you would have the sheer
audacity to say you think.  Your posts show very little brain activity
actually took place.  You never bother to think about the consequences of
your statements.  You say "that does not prove anything" yet offer no
reason why it doesn't prove anything.  Lets hear a reason why the 1895
edition of Lloyd's dictionary is "out of date", putting aside more modern
terminalogy.  Lets hear what the grand intellectual called Jeff Han, who
can call other people morons and idiots, has to say.  Will he produce
anything worth listening too? Or should the "will" be "can"?  Can we have
some justification for your unsupported statements? 

Cailean.

P.S So what if the Encyclopedia Brittanica I quote from was an early one,
does it make it irrelevant?  This is the same type of statement the nobody
called Jim Collier made.  His reasoning was that if I wrote from somewhere
more populous, then my statements would be more valid.  Of course I asked
him if I wrote from Mexico City, my statements would be extremely valid,
noticeably he was absent of a reply.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> Rob "my parties are better" Carscadden

Yeah, they only exist in your dreams.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >   "More culturallly aware" my foot.  Colon, the only thing that you are
> showing
> > us is that you know how to read a dictionary- one that is 100 years out
> of date,BTW.  Of course, those are the only sort of documents that you
> could cite, 
> > considering that your theories are sheer tar...
> > 
> >   JeFf hAN
> Lets see Jeff, know anything about Maori culture, Mori Ori culture, Samoan
> culture, Tongan culture, Latin culture, Turkish culture, (M.E.) Indian
> culture, Moslem culture, and so forth?  Or were you humping sheep during
> those lessons?  You should take special note Jeff, seeing as I'm racist
> and you (supposedly) aren't.
> > 
> > P.S.: Exactly what edition of the `Encyclopedia Britannica' do you cite
> in your
> >      posts, Colon?  (it's an EARLY one, I'll bet...)
> > 
> Seeing as I tend to put the date of the Encyclopedia Brittanica I quote,
> you have made yourself into a fool again.  Obviously your reading skills
> are pitiful.  So now you are not only a sore loser, but a fool to boot. 
> Your ability to challenge is quite pathetic isn't it?
> 
One more thing, loser, have you no respect for history?  How do you think
history books are written?  Is there some bizarre mechanism in how history
is made without actually looking at who wrote such and such?  Has it ever
occurred to you that modern history books are written on things in the
past?  That the accumulation of knowledge is based on what has gone
before?  Of course in the light of your posts, you would have the sheer
audacity to say you think.  Your posts show very little brain activity
actually took place.  You never bother to think about the consequences of
your statements.  You say "that does not prove anything" yet offer no
reason why it doesn't prove anything.  Lets hear a reason why the 1895
edition of Lloyd's dictionary is "out of date", putting aside more modern
terminalogy.  Lets hear what the grand intellectual called Jeff Han, who
can call other people morons and idiots, has to say.  Will he produce
anything worth listening too? Or should the "will" be "can"?  Can we have
some justification for your unsupported statements? 

Cailean.

P.S So what if the Encyclopedia Brittanica I quote from was an early one,
does it make it irrelevant?  This is the same type of statement the nobody
called Jim Collier made.  His reasoning was that if I wrote from somewhere
more populous, then my statements would be more valid.  Of course I asked
him if I wrote from Mexico City, my statements would be extremely valid,
noticeably he was absent of a reply.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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Subject: Re: ADL: Skinhead International; Australia
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>                           Australia
> 
> "Romper Stomper," an Australian motion picture that depicts savage
> violence by Skinhead toughs, has brought worldwide attention to
> Australia's Skinheads. Although the story on which the film is based
> is imaginary, there are indeed racist Skins Down Under and some of
> them actually liked the film. One such Skinhead has been quoted
> thus: "Up to a point it's against Skinheads ... but it's good
> publicity for our cause. With unemployment like it is, they're
> asking for trouble letting all these Asians into the country."
> 
I don't know which skinheads you've been talking too, the ones which I'm
acquainted, think the film is a poor description.

> According to the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, Skinhead
> numbers have fluctuated over the past decade from a relative few to
> 300 to 400. There are Skinheads in most state capitols, some
> affiliated with such neo-Nazi groups as the Australian Nationalist
> Movement, Australian National Action, and the Australian National
> Socialist Movement. Both the Australian Nationalist Movement and
> Australian National Action succeeded in recruiting Skinheads in 1993
> and 1994. As many as one-third to one-half of the participants in
> National Action rallies have been Skins.
> 
>                   White Australian Resistance
> 
> Two new racist Skinhead groups have made their appearance of late.
> One, a Sydney group calling itself Southern Cross Hammer Skinheads,
> has adopted the motto: "We must secure the existence of our people
> and a future for white children." (This expression, common among
> far-right activists in the United States, is known as "the 14
> words," and was originally coined by David Lane, an American
> neo-Nazi terrorist serving a long prsion term. It is noteworthy that
> the expression is now being used by an Australian Skinhead group
> which has also borrowed from its American cousins the term "Hammer
> Skinheads.") The other Skinhead gang, White Australian Resistance
> WAR), located in Melbourne, apparently adapted its name from the
> California-based White Aryan Resistance (WAR). The head of the
> latter group, Tom Metzger, has boasted on his telephone hotline
> about the formation of the Australian organization.[1]
> 
> Aussie Skinheads have a record of violence similar to that of their
> counterparts the world over. From 1987 to 1989, National Action
> members in Sydney - some of them Skinheads - actively harrassed
> anti-apartheid activists and members of homosexual organizations. On
> January 27, 1989, two National Action Skins fired bullets into the
> residence of the Sydney-based representative of the African National
> Congress.
> 
You should witness the ol' Black Power gangs, and so forth, just to let
the viewers note who does the most violence.  Most skinhead gangs were
formed in protest to this black gangs.  Especially considering how the
Police handle these gangs.

>                         "Asian Invasion" 
> 
> Several weeks later, Adelaide, still reeling from the Skinhead riot,
> was the scene of Australia's biggest neo-Nazi demonstration in
> several decades. The rally, sponsored by Australian National Action,
> included many Skinheads, along with bikers and other neo-Nazis. The
> 80 to 100 demonstrators gathered to denounce proposed anti-racist
> legislation. A nearby crowd of opponents hooted down National Action
> leader Michael Brander, as he railed against "the Asian invasion"
> and the "threat of Australia losing its identity to the Asian
> capitalists." Another National Action street demonstration, in an
> Adelaide suburb in December 1994, featured anti-Asian and other
> bigoted chants.
> 
Perhaps the were protesting the even more draconian race bills than New
Zealand has got.  Lets not forget the supposed ideal of free speech. 
Perhaps you would also like to mention the atocities the Asians committed
in WWII, as a justification measure.  A lot of senior citizens haven't
forgotten that one.  Also why did you put a Swedish skingang in supposed
description of Australian skinhead gangs?

As usual, a biased report.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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Subject: Re: McKinstry's "DNA test" (was: Les scuttles under the carpet...)
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> > Jeffrey Brown, here is a quote from the 1990 Encyclopedia Brittanica vol.
> > 14 pp 954 under Population genetics.
> > 
> > "Human population geneticists have traced migration and invasion routed of
> > man; genetic studies of present-day Europeans, for example, reveal routes
> > of human migrations that occurred hundreds or thousands of years ago.  The
> > origin of the people inhabiting South Pacific islands and the degree of
> > intermingling among mixed races also are studied by human population
> > geneticists."
> > 
> > I chose this quote because its straight to the point.  If you have trouble
> > understanding it, I can get you are longer and more verbose one.  
> 
> This quote is far from the point, McKinstry. You were not asked to provide
> facts supporting the hypothesis that genetic studies can "reveal routes of
> human migrations that occurred hundreds or thousands of years ago".
>
I cannot help you with your reading ability Jeffrey.  Please try to
comprehend the signifance on how geneticists can trace migrations of
Europeans hundreds or thousands of years ago without knowing the genetic
makeup os a European.
 
> You have yet to answer the question put to you: what facts can you present
> that support your contention that DNA testing can determine "whiteness"?
> Let me be more specific: Has a DNA standard for "whiteness" been
> established? If so, by whom? Has it been established, by experiment, that
> this standard, coupled with DNA testing, can distinguish "whites" from
> "non-whites"?
> 
I repeat, human population geneticists are an official branch of genetics,
therefore their work must be as easily accessable as any other branch of
genetics.  Unless you wish to prove the Encyclopedia Brittanica wrong, you
have accept that quote.  If you were sincerely interested I would partake
of more research into this field, however you are being pedantic as usual,
and that does not take any effort.  Therefore, you will have to be content
with the quote from the Encyclopedia Brittanica.  As you will note they
also study mixed races, how can they tell they are a mixed race if they
can't tell racial genetics?  Also, how can a geneticist tell if a european
has been somewhere some thousand years ago, if he cannot tell genetically
what a european is?  Please answer these questions.

Hopefully, such reasoning is not above you.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >PS The I consider the Encyclopedia a good place to start, but not the end
> >for research.
> 
> I assume "The I consider" was supposed to be "I consider," but it's of no
> consequence.  I must say however:  I find it peculiar that you start with
> the Encyclopedia Britannica and find your "end for research" in the 1895
> Lloyd's Dictionary.  (ref: "The word nigger for those pedantic," msg-ID
> )
> 
So I'm not allowed to look at old books now?  Where do think this type of
information comes from?  Oh, I forget, you're like Jeff Han who thinks it
drops from the sky or something like that.  What texts does the
Encyclopedia Brittanica quote from or more to the point, what date of
printing  were these texts?  Would they have occurred in the past or is
that too logical? 

When you learn to rub two sticks together, please come back.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : Who was the liberal genius saying that the part of the white race didn't
> : come from the Caucasus mountions?
> 
> Wasn't it Les Griswold (who still refuses to clarify whether
> he is related to Les Patterson) who maintained that "whites" are descendents
> only of the original inhabitants of Northern Europe?
> 
> I seem to recall several postings by Kaus or Ayre to a similar effect,
> once even going do far as to say that the only true whites are those whose
> ancestors all come from the Hanover-Paris-London triangle.
> 
I suppose it depends on which time period you are talking about.  There
were white settlements in Asia as well as North Africa in ancient times,
even in China.  If you wish to find out more on the Caucasus Mountains and
the Caucasion race you should read the works of Sharon Turner.  

> I don't have archives of these postings, so I could be mistaken.
> I apologise in advance for anyone who feels improperly maligned
> by my possible misattribution of views.
> 
> But the matter can be settled quite easily by someopne who has
> access to undoctored archives.
> 
> Of course it is not clear that these people, whom you flatter with the
> etiquette "genius" at the same time as wreaking havoc with the
> English language. would be pleased to be labelled "liberal".
> 
I take it that you like wreaking havoc with the English language as well? 
If one of my early teachers is correct, a sentence should start with a
capital.  Guess you like to write a load of gibberish as well.  You should
note that Jeanne thinks you are a bonehead, as with the Negroes in Africa
before the white man came.  Consider also the Jeanne is supposedly non
racist.

Cailean.

P.S How's that definition of primitive going?  Still hanging to your creed
that Stone Age means advanced, compared with a highly technological Age?

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> > I have never postulated that I knew such sequences, yet you wish me to play 
> > the teacher and tell you all the answers.  
> 
> If you never "knew" of "such sequences" then how can you even "postulate"
> that DNA tests for "whiteness" are even possible? Or is this simple
> "blue-skying" on your part? What _actual_ and _accepted_ research can you
> cite that would lead you to any such conclusions that "race" can be
> gentetically detected?  
> 
> Generally speaking, when one puts forward such ideas one should also
> provides evidence to support them. If, that is, one wishes for them to be
> taken seriously and not dismissed as quackery.
> 
I was asked Mike, to provide the nucleotide sequence for a white person. 
I just keep those things memorised don't I?  As for DNA tests, I put
forward the ability of human population geneticists being able to test for
racial characteristics, it does not mean I can test for racial
characteristics via genetics.  Or that I know such sequences.  As for your
first paragraph, you should have been following the thread more closely.  

Cailean.

P.S That sequence is on my must-do-at-some-stage projects.

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> : Jeffrey Brown, here is a quote from the 1990 Encyclopedia Brittanica vol.
> : 14 pp 954 under Population genetics.
> 
> : "Human population geneticists have traced migration and invasion routed of
> : man; genetic studies of present-day Europeans, for example, reveal routes
> : of human migrations that occurred hundreds or thousands of years
> : ago...
> 
> I agree that genetics CAN trace populations (to some extent) through
> migrations, incasions, etc.
> 
> But when asked "how do you know if a person is 'white'?", you
> answered "genetic testing".  I'm assuming from this answer that
> you have at least some knowledge about WHAT (genetics-wise) is
> tested to find out if someone is 'white'.  Given that we can trace
> groups genetics-wise, what are the defining genetic characteristics
> of 'white' people?  (Or if you do not know, a simple "I don't know"
> will suffice).

I don't know what is exactly tested in the determination of race. 
Eventually I do plan to know.  However, just because I don't know what is
tested, does not mean that other people (ie., human population
geneticists) don't know either.  Which is the absurd logic put forward by
Jeffrey Brown & Co.  As I pointed out to Jeffrey, if I put forward that
electrons exist, I would have to retract the same statement, seeing as I
haven't done the relevant tests for electrons.  Which you have to admit is
quite illogical.

Cailean.

-- 
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> : Do you wish me to find the exact title for this area of genetic research
> : or are you afraid of doing a lot of reading?
> 
> I for one would LOVE the exact title.
> 
I'll see what I can do.

Cailean.

-- 
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>         Well, actually that would be nice.  I wonder how you will be able 
> to come up with the reference for something that doesn't exist in science.
> A DNA test to determine 'whiteness'?  I see you've never taken a course 
> in biology, eh?
>         Please, if you *do* actually post a reply, stick to real science,
> not something from some neo-nazi who got his degree in the mail.
> 
Actually Joe, I typed S=HUMAN POPULATION GENETICS on the University of
Auckland's AUCAT (S= subject heading.)  Guess how many titles there were?

Around 50.  So please, please lose the arrogance, or you might have to eat
humble pie. The science does exist, including one title on the Genetics of
Jews.

Cailean.

-- 
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> Mike "3 against 1? Another WP 'fair fight'!" Beebe

Actually there are 4 against 1 (Joseph, Lane, Mark, Jeffrey, and you), and
yes I can count.

You see Ron, I was nice to Mike, I could have stated that Mike was correct
at 3 against 1 (Mike, being a deficit), but I didn't.  There you go Mike,
hope that boosts your ego.

I wouldn't call it a fair fight either Mike, if there was about 8 against
1, I would start calling it a fair fight, apart of possibly Joseph and
Mark (whom I don't recall before), there really isn't a fight.  Both Lane
and Jeffrey don't rate (Jeffrey doesn't actually say anything, if you
actually read his posts.)  Whether Joesph and Mark can cover this deficit,
remains to be seen.

Cailean, whose only just beginning to enjoy this little debate.

-- 
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> Excellent post, Richard. I note that there is no response from celtic
> Colin as yet.

Could be that I was away.  Nevermind, perhaps you could one day piece
together a decent attack.
> 
> Reread Richard's outline below, Colin, and understand this:
> 
> There is absolutely NO genetic marker, not one single allele, that 
> exists ONLY in one population, and not others.
> 
> DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?
> 
There has to be, otherwise, babies will be born of any race, with any
genetics, which (I hope) you know to be wrong.  Therefore, some part of
the genetics determines the child's characteristics.  The child's ancestry
should reflect the genetics of his ancestors shouldn't it?    

> Because this is one of the many reasons that the whole concept of
> "race" has been scuttled by the VERY GENETICISTS you look to for
> guidance on this issue, and demand that Jeffrey study, in hopes
> that you can weasle out of yet another hole you've dug for yourself,
> in your unbridled ignorance.
> 
> If you will actually study the widely published work by such 
> evolutionary geneticists as Luca Cavalli-Sforza, you will find that:
> 
> Certain populations in sub-Saharan Africa bear a greater genetic
> similarity to Europeans than they do to certain other sub-Saharan
> populations.
> 
You will also note, that some sub-Saharan Africans intermingled with Aryan
peoples in the past, therefore, one would expect that progeny to reflect
their ancestors.  Hardly a case at all, please try harder.

> The population of aboriginal Australians are much further removed,
> genetically, from any group of sub-Saharan Africans than is any
> population of Euopeans.
> 
Are you trying to bring the closeness of Europeans to Australians
Aborigines by your statement or are you trying to say the Australian
Aborigines are disimiliar to sub-Saharan Africans?  The former is
bullshit, the latter is correct.  I have always maintained that the two
were separate races.  The Australian Aborigine is far more primitive than
the sub-Saharan for a start.  You also talk about that Europeans have
similar genetics from your own arguments. You disprove yourself without my
intervention.

> And much more, very interesting information. Try reading some science
> for a change.
> 
> (Singer)

Considering I hold a B.Sc, your attack is pretty pathetic, in fact I read
a lot of scientific material.  Most of it doesn't apply to any topic so
far posed on these Newsgroups, on the account it isn't relevant to these
Newsgroups.
> 
> >So let me make sure I understand this.
> >
> >A scientist wants to track migration routes from thousands of years
> >ago.  He (or she) needs to know which people are descendants of the
> >original people in order to track these ruotes.  He decides to find
> >out if there are genetic "markers" that appear more often in the
> >population he is studying than in the population in general.  He
> >finds genetic markers that appear in 90% of the target population, but
> 
> >only in 10% of the rest of the world population.  This is not perfect,
> >but is good enough for what he needs.  With some sampling, he can tell
> >if a certain population is likely to be his target population (in this
> >example, "descendant from Europeans").  That is what he needs.
> >He can now track populations over time.
> >
> >The next day the American government is overthrown by White
> >Separatists.  The scientist is contacted by the new government.
> >They want the scientist to train people to administer his test
> >on individuals to determine if an individual is of European
> >descent.  The scientist hesitates.  He tells them "it won't work
> >very well with individuals.  10% of the people with PURE European
> >ancestry will test as NON-European.  10% of the people who are not
> >of pure European ancestry will test as PURE European."  They shoot
> >him and find someone else.
> >
> >So McKinstry, tell me again how this will work?
> >
> >       - Grego
A curious problem.  I will investigate further, it shouldn't be too hard
to find the general characteristics of the European population (you stated
it yourself) from the past, and use that as the measuring stick. 
Considering that Human Population Geneticists can determine who is of
mixed race or not, it would indicate that such a process can be
determined.  For example, it is known that Polynesians are a mixture of
Asian, Melansian and European (going back before Capt. Cook), how did they
determine that?

Cailean.

-- 
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> : One of the least talented liberals came up with some stupid question for
> : me about whether Iberia = Hebrew.  Personally, I don't know why such a
> : question was posed of me, seeing I have never mentioned it, but then
> : liberals aren't known for there intelligence, only their laziness and
> : wilful ignorance.
> : 
> 
> The claim the "Iberia = Peninsula of the Hebrews" originated in a series
> of postings emanating from an address in the mid-west of the USA, bearing
> the name "Benjamin Johnson". 
> 
> Brother Johnson, or the person or persons unknown who posted here using
> the name, insisted that that was the meaning of the word. On one
> occasion I posted the etymology of the two words from the Shorter Oxford
> English Dictionary, which did not impress Brother Johnson or the person 
> or persons unknown who posted here using the name.
> 
> I agree that Brother Johnson or the person or persons unknown who posted 
> here using the name, was one of the least talented "contributors", which
> was most clearly shown in a series of postings concerning one "Arthur
> Koelter". Brother Johnson, or the person or persons unknown who posted 
> here using the name, was caught out falsifying previous postings. 
> 
> Since Brother Johnson, or the person or persons unknown who posted here 
> using the name, is no longer with us, it is up to those who still are
> to defend his "honour". I assure you that he would have been mortally
> offended at your accusing him of being a "liberal". His (or their)
> intellectual capabilities and integrity  were certainly less than minimal,
> as you so correctly pointed out in the first five words of your posting.
> But he/they shared another of your features: an aversion to all things
> "liberal", be the word used in the English or Northern American usage.
> Brother Johnson, or the person or persons unknown who posted here using
> the name, succesfully established a reputation for being racialist, 
> white-supremist, reactionary, anti-Semitic, and everything else you seem
> to be looking for in a husband.

It was the liberal Adim Krims that posed the question.  Therefore it was
Adam Krim to whom I was referring.  I also posted from a couple of
Etymological dictionary the feasibility of such a connection, not that I
am currently in a position to either deny or affirm such a claim.  One
would have to investigate the Phonetic implication before making a
conclusion, and quoting from the Oxford Dictionary neither proves or
disproves it.

Cailean.

-- 
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> : One of the least talented liberals came up with some stupid question for
> : me about whether Iberia = Hebrew.  
> 
> Actually it was Ben Johnson who originally made that claim on this NG. I 
> don't think he'd like it if you called him a liberal.
> 
> IMHO the term Iberia is much more likely to be related to Hibernia than 
> to Hebrew, but what do I know?
> 
Actually I wasn't calling Ben a liberal, but Adam Krim.  Yes you are
correct about Hibernia and Iberia, there is also implication of the
Phonetics to be considered.  Eber, iber on the face value are extremely
close.  As I've stated before, whether it stands up to more rigourous
testing is yet to be determined.  I'm quite prepared to leave the work to
somebody else as well (far to busy at the moment.)

Cailean.

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> :> I have in front of me Volume II of the Encyclopaedia Britannica ----
> :> I presumethat is what is meant by the reference to "Encyclopaedia
> :> Brittanica" --- (1962 edition). The article on Aztecs is on pages
> :> 833-834. There is no mention of a " `white' Aztec royal line".
> :> In fact, the reader is left with the impression that there was
> :> no royal line to speak of. In connection with the late 14th century,
> :> the Encyclopaedia Britannica article says:
> :> "... they had become strong enough , under the patronage of
> :> Culhuacan, to reckon Acamapiichtli as their first "king" [sic]".
> :> 
> 
> To which McKinstry grunted:
> 
> :So the Conquisitors never killed Montezuma?  Pizarro never wrote about
> :their colour?  
> 
> d.A. restrains his/her mirth at the inanity and patiently explains:
> 
> The technical term for what you have just illustrated is
> "non sequitur". It is irrelevant, a smoke screen, a red herring,
> in short, in "character" with  the rest of your text.
> Whether the Conquistadors --- tell your scribe to note the
> spelling --- killed Montezuma II. As a matter of interest,
> according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1962 edition)
> Volume 15 p.763, it is uncertain who killed him:
> "In an effort to divert the attack, Cortes induced Montezuma
> to address his people from the Spaniard's stronghold. The
> angry mob responded by showering him with stones and arrows.
> Montezuma succumbed, either from wounds inflicted by te mob
> or at the hands of the Spaniards."
> 
> As for Pizarro --- tell your scribe to note the spelling ---
> whether he wrote of there colour or not is again irrelevant to
> the question of whether the Aztecs had a royalty. Since you 
> claim to use the Encyclopaedia Britannica as your source, I 
> presume others are also entitled to refer to it. So, once again,
> I quote verbatim from it: (1962 edition) Vol 2 p.833.
> 
> "Baudelier, therefore, was largely right when he denied (Peabody
> Mus. Rep., vol.ii 1876--1879) was an emperor or even king in our
> sense.."
> 
> Back to McKinstry:
> 
> :Also note that Culhuacan was the Mayan first king, whom is called in the
> :Aztec; Queztecoatl (the white god.)  This comes from the 1990 Edition,
> :Jeff Han should be able to tell you the page numbers and so forth.  Also
> :from the 1990 Edition come the information on Aztlan or white land, lan
> :meaning land, Azt meaning white.  Curious isn't it?  Also the Aztecs were
> :separated from the Indians, ie., they were not included in the Aztecs
> :numbers.  Which is strange since the Indians lived among them.  If memory
> :serves me correct, the quote goes "The Conquisitors killed the Aztecs,
> :thereby gaining the loyalty of 200,000 Indians", if Jeff Han can humble
> :himself, he should be able to give you the exact quote.
> 
> Here d.A. feels the irresistible urge to attempt again to inject a note 
> of rationality:
> 
> The Encyclopaedia Britannica makes it very clear that in its view,
> the Aztecs were not "white". (1962 edition) Vol. 2  p. 834:
> 
> "Even the Axtec realm is likely to have had a predecessor among the 
> Toltec of Tula or Teotihuacan; and like theirs, it would have
> crumbled in a century or two and another have arisen in its stead 
> after a period of disintegration had the Caucasian not appeared on the
> scene."

Please tell your scribe to note the spelling.  As I was explaining to
Jeff, the Aztecs had mongelized.  
> 
> McKinstry quotes d.A. and comments:
> :
> :> And later on the same page, speaking of the Aztec empire:
> :> "...it was not an empire or state in our sense but a loosely knit
> :> aggregation of units related to the dominant community in varying ways."
> :> 
> :That does not mean that they did not have a king over all.  For example in
> :Celtic legends you could have kings, but also high kings that ruled over
> :all (high kings were coronated on the Stone of Destiny), including kings.
> 
> d.A. stops laughing for a moment and comments:
> 
> The Encyclopaedia Britannica is quite clear on this matter, as the
> additional quotation from it I included above shows --- and it does
> *not* agree with you. In any event, the structure of Celtic legends 
> is of at best dubious relevance to a discussion of Aztec society.
> 
I used it as an illustration.  What about the quote about Baudelier? Hmm?
Okay, they didn't have a king or emperor in the same sense we do today (or
that is what I gather from the quote), maybe you should look at the
Scandinavian countries before the 11th century as a reference to your
illogic.

> McKinstry continues by quoting d.A. and commenting:
> 
> :> Of course, it is possible that you looked in a different edition
> :> of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, or that it was *not* a typing
> :> or other error, and there is also an "Encyclopaedia Brittanica".
> :> This matter can be readily clarified by your providing a page
> :> and volume number of the editin you use(d).
> :> 
> :The Encyclopedia Brittanica does not mention what race the royalty was,
> :that comes from Pizarro.  All I did was go through the wording in the
> :Encyclopedia Brittanica to back up my claims, something Jeff Han could not
> :refute.  Hopefully the sore loser still has copies of those posts, where
> :he got thrashed, so you can get them unadulterated.
> :> 
> 
> d.A. is beginning to suspect a plagiarisation from a rejected
> Monty Python script, but observes:
> 
> 
> It is odd that to provide a reference for material you are claiming
> to have personally verified you need to ask Jeff Han to tell you
> where it is that it is. Is Jeff Han the minder and scribe the
> New Zealand welfare system provides you with to read and write 
> for you? Anyone with even a pretence to an iota of intellectual
> and/or personal integrity would provide the reference. You
> clearly have neither, for you have since this posting quoted 
> several times from the Encyclopaedia Britannica, giving precise 
> references. So there is no need to rely on Jeff han. Or are
> you in a conspiracy with him? If the New Zealand welfare authorities
> discover that you do use the Encyclopaedia Britannica, might they
> cease to pay for your use of his services as scribe and maybe
> even cut off your hand-out?
>
I've done the work before, if Jeff Han wishes to continue the argument, he
had better consider the items I had written before, otherwise he is going
to repeat the same tactics.  Therefore it is safe to assume that Jeff Han
has those posts, therefore I don't need to find them again.  
 
> McKinstry makes quotes d.A.'s question and responds:
> 
> > P.S. Have the Phoenician butterflies learnt to ski yet?
> :
> :And you talk about me having fanciful ideas?
> :
> 
> d.A. clarifies:
> 
> The reference you provided for the claim of Phoenician traces
> in Australia was a certain R. Gilroy of the Museum of Natural
> History in New South Wales. According to the telephone people
> here, there is no such museum listed *anywhere* in New South Wales.
> 
Incorrect, I provided the address and the Museum of Natural History in the
same post.  Whether you missed it is not my fault.  I later clarified that
I was quoting from a 1983 (which is after 1965) journal.  I tried to say
(obviously unsuccessfully) to say perhaps circumstances have changed.  You
could find a 1983 telephone directory yourself, seeing you seem to live in
New South Wales.

> Later you provided a more precise address, which I checked. It
> is the "Butterfly Farm and Ski Garden". 
> 
> Even Blind Freddy can see immediately that you must have had
> a bunch of Phoenician butterflies in mind, and surely they went
> to the ski garden to learn to ski. If Blind Freddy happesn to
> have been wrong, please enlighten him. But do so without
> asking Jeff Han to hold your willie for you while you wee. 
> 
You have done better insults than this one before, one did you degrade
yourself with this slop?

Cailean.

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> :> I have in front of me Volume II of the Encyclopaedia Britannica ----
> :> I presumethat is what is meant by the reference to "Encyclopaedia
> :> Brittanica" --- (1962 edition). The article on Aztecs is on pages
> :> 833-834. There is no mention of a " `white' Aztec royal line".
> :> In fact, the reader is left with the impression that there was
> :> no royal line to speak of. In connection with the late 14th century,
> :> the Encyclopaedia Britannica article says:
> :> "... they had become strong enough , under the patronage of
> :> Culhuacan, to reckon Acamapiichtli as their first "king" [sic]".
> :> 
> 
> To which McKinstry grunted:
> 
> :So the Conquisitors never killed Montezuma?  Pizarro never wrote about
> :their colour?  
> 
> d.A. restrains his/her mirth at the inanity and patiently explains:
> 
> The technical term for what you have just illustrated is
> "non sequitur". It is irrelevant, a smoke screen, a red herring,
> in short, in "character" with  the rest of your text.
> Whether the Conquistadors --- tell your scribe to note the
> spelling --- killed Montezuma II. As a matter of interest,
> according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica (1962 edition)
> Volume 15 p.763, it is uncertain who killed him:
> "In an effort to divert the attack, Cortes induced Montezuma
> to address his people from the Spaniard's stronghold. The
> angry mob responded by showering him with stones and arrows.
> Montezuma succumbed, either from wounds inflicted by te mob
> or at the hands of the Spaniards."
> 
> As for Pizarro --- tell your scribe to note the spelling ---
> whether he wrote of there colour or not is again irrelevant to
> the question of whether the Aztecs had a royalty. Since you 
> claim to use the Encyclopaedia Britannica as your source, I 
> presume others are also entitled to refer to it. So, once again,
> I quote verbatim from it: (1962 edition) Vol 2 p.833.
> 
> "Baudelier, therefore, was largely right when he denied (Peabody
> Mus. Rep., vol.ii 1876--1879) was an emperor or even king in our
> sense.."
> 
> Back to McKinstry:
> 
> :Also note that Culhuacan was the Mayan first king, whom is called in the
> :Aztec; Queztecoatl (the white god.)  This comes from the 1990 Edition,
> :Jeff Han should be able to tell you the page numbers and so forth.  Also
> :from the 1990 Edition come the information on Aztlan or white land, lan
> :meaning land, Azt meaning white.  Curious isn't it?  Also the Aztecs were
> :separated from the Indians, ie., they were not included in the Aztecs
> :numbers.  Which is strange since the Indians lived among them.  If memory
> :serves me correct, the quote goes "The Conquisitors killed the Aztecs,
> :thereby gaining the loyalty of 200,000 Indians", if Jeff Han can humble
> :himself, he should be able to give you the exact quote.
> 
> Here d.A. feels the irresistible urge to attempt again to inject a note 
> of rationality:
> 
> The Encyclopaedia Britannica makes it very clear that in its view,
> the Aztecs were not "white". (1962 edition) Vol. 2  p. 834:
> 
> "Even the Axtec realm is likely to have had a predecessor among the 
> Toltec of Tula or Teotihuacan; and like theirs, it would have
> crumbled in a century or two and another have arisen in its stead 
> after a period of disintegration had the Caucasian not appeared on the
> scene."

Please tell your scribe to note the spelling.  As I was explaining to
Jeff, the Aztecs had mongelized.  
> 
> McKinstry quotes d.A. and comments:
> :
> :> And later on the same page, speaking of the Aztec empire:
> :> "...it was not an empire or state in our sense but a loosely knit
> :> aggregation of units related to the dominant community in varying ways."
> :> 
> :That does not mean that they did not have a king over all.  For example in
> :Celtic legends you could have kings, but also high kings that ruled over
> :all (high kings were coronated on the Stone of Destiny), including kings.
> 
> d.A. stops laughing for a moment and comments:
> 
> The Encyclopaedia Britannica is quite clear on this matter, as the
> additional quotation from it I included above shows --- and it does
> *not* agree with you. In any event, the structure of Celtic legends 
> is of at best dubious relevance to a discussion of Aztec society.
> 
I used it as an illustration.  What about the quote about Baudelier? Hmm?
Okay, they didn't have a king or emperor in the same sense we do today (or
that is what I gather from the quote), maybe you should look at the
Scandinavian countries before the 11th century as a reference to your
illogic.

> McKinstry continues by quoting d.A. and commenting:
> 
> :> Of course, it is possible that you looked in a different edition
> :> of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, or that it was *not* a typing
> :> or other error, and there is also an "Encyclopaedia Brittanica".
> :> This matter can be readily clarified by your providing a page
> :> and volume number of the editin you use(d).
> :> 
> :The Encyclopedia Brittanica does not mention what race the royalty was,
> :that comes from Pizarro.  All I did was go through the wording in the
> :Encyclopedia Brittanica to back up my claims, something Jeff Han could not
> :refute.  Hopefully the sore loser still has copies of those posts, where
> :he got thrashed, so you can get them unadulterated.
> :> 
> 
> d.A. is beginning to suspect a plagiarisation from a rejected
> Monty Python script, but observes:
> 
> 
> It is odd that to provide a reference for material you are claiming
> to have personally verified you need to ask Jeff Han to tell you
> where it is that it is. Is Jeff Han the minder and scribe the
> New Zealand welfare system provides you with to read and write 
> for you? Anyone with even a pretence to an iota of intellectual
> and/or personal integrity would provide the reference. You
> clearly have neither, for you have since this posting quoted 
> several times from the Encyclopaedia Britannica, giving precise 
> references. So there is no need to rely on Jeff han. Or are
> you in a conspiracy with him? If the New Zealand welfare authorities
> discover that you do use the Encyclopaedia Britannica, might they
> cease to pay for your use of his services as scribe and maybe
> even cut off your hand-out?
>
I've done the work before, if Jeff Han wishes to continue the argument, he
had better consider the items I had written before, otherwise he is going
to repeat the same tactics.  Therefore it is safe to assume that Jeff Han
has those posts, therefore I don't need to find them again.  
 
> McKinstry makes quotes d.A.'s question and responds:
> 
> > P.S. Have the Phoenician butterflies learnt to ski yet?
> :
> :And you talk about me having fanciful ideas?
> :
> 
> d.A. clarifies:
> 
> The reference you provided for the claim of Phoenician traces
> in Australia was a certain R. Gilroy of the Museum of Natural
> History in New South Wales. According to the telephone people
> here, there is no such museum listed *anywhere* in New South Wales.
> 
Incorrect, I provided the address and the Museum of Natural History in the
same post.  Whether you missed it is not my fault.  I later clarified that
I was quoting from a 1983 (which is after 1965) journal.  I tried to say
(obviously unsuccessfully) to say perhaps circumstances have changed.  You
could find a 1983 telephone directory yourself, seeing you seem to live in
New South Wales.

> Later you provided a more precise address, which I checked. It
> is the "Butterfly Farm and Ski Garden". 
> 
> Even Blind Freddy can see immediately that you must have had
> a bunch of Phoenician butterflies in mind, and surely they went
> to the ski garden to learn to ski. If Blind Freddy happesn to
> have been wrong, please enlighten him. But do so without
> asking Jeff Han to hold your willie for you while you wee. 
> 
You have done better insults than this one before, one did you degrade
yourself with this slop?

Cailean.

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> : who was Sargon of Akkad's father?  
> : 
> 
> Too easy! It was Montezuma Abraxas-Cortez, famous Phoenician
> butterfly of exquisite blancheness undheard of before or since.
> He was related by marriage to Pizarro on the Scottish side of
> the latter's family and colonised the lower reaches of the
> ski slopes of Wilberforce, New South Wales, after completing his
> doctoral dissertation on "The Micro-Local Analysis of Inks Used
> for Printing the Encyclopaedia Brittanica and Its Application
> to DNA-Analysis for the Determination of the Penis Size of Maori
> Men." 
> 
> This rare tome was printed in limited numbers, with one
> copy destroyed by the dog which destroted the experiment in
> artificial insemination at Brother Johnson's address. another
> being one of the uninsured, precise docuemnts destroyed in a
> fire which burnt down a house in Canada, *not* owned by its
> occu[pant, but its occupant's son. Fortunately the only other
> copy is in the safe hands of the McKinstry dynasty, and is its
> prized heirloom.
> 
> Jeffrey G. Brown will just have to learn to live with the
> fact that not everyone is entitled to know what is in
> this pricelss document. He'll just have to accept McKinstry's
> word about the conclusions.
> 
As stated to Jeffrey, you should leave the humour to Chuck, at least he
can occasionally come up with something remotely humourous.

Rating: D-

Cailean.

-- 
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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>         This quote obviously means that the scientists can check for
> similarities in different DNA.  I fail to see how this allows anyone to
> determine what exactly consitutes 'White' DNA.  Are you suggesting that
> we should just use YOUR DNA and measure how close everyone is to you?  
> That's hardly scientific, but at least it is amusing.
> 
>         I'm sorry, but if this is the best evidence you can come up
> with to support your claim, I think we have to call the match.
> 
>                 Rational people one, Racists zero...
> 
> 
> Joseph Poulin

I suppose your next task is to find the rational people to give them a medal?  

I'm afraid Lane, backed up my argument unwittingly and so did Mark, never
mind. Come back and play some other day.  

Cailean.

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> : Cailean, whose only just beginning to enjoy this little debate.
> 
>     If this is true, which is doubtful, why aren't you answering those
>     nagging little questions about how to segregate white DNA from
>     non-white DNA?
> 
> Mike "Wellllll?" Beebe

Mike, I memorise DNA sequences for fun don't I?  What type of question is
this supposed to be?  I never made the claim that I, myself knew, but that
others do.

Cailean.

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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) quoted two sentences from
> the Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990, vol. 18, pp 851, The Races of 
> Mankind, The American Indian geographic race in an attempt to 
> bolster extravagant claims.
> 
> In response, d.A. posted the rest of the section, which makes
> it clear that to call the claims extravagant is to flatter
> those who make the claims.

The rest of your quote had no bearing on the argument.  Especially
considering I was quoting Indian population size, not the other facts of
Indian race.
> 
> Then D.A. added:
> 
> : > Viewed in context, I do not see what any "liberals" would need to admit
> : > as mistaken.
> : 
> 
> In response, MacKinstry posted:
> 
> :
> : Yes they do, they keep asking this stupid question of Les on what was the
> : population of the Indians in Canada before the White man, and now.  
> 
> The question was asked of Griswold, who refuses to clarify a possible
> relationship to Les Patterson, after he (Griswold, that is, not
> Patterson) had made unsubstantiated claims about the demography of
> the indigenous peoples of North America. Te only thing even vaguely
> stupid about the question was to entertain the thought that Griswold,
> who will not clarify whether he is related to Les Patterson, might,
> on this one exceptional occasion, actually be in a position to
> substantiate the phantasms emanating from the subterranean Antarctic
> headquarters.

Your insults are getting more and more pathetic, have you already reached
your platform?  If this is the case you should give up.
> 
> :I only  quoted what was relevant to the topic.  
> 
> Far from it. You selected  sentences which, when taken out of
> context, suggest the very antithesis of the import of the article.
> It reminds me of Joe Bloggs saying: "I did not steal the apple"
> and then McKinstry's quoting Joe Bloggs as saying "I did steal the apple".
> Note that every word was uttered by Joe Bloggs, and in the order quoted
> by our hypothetical McKinstry, who would then justify the judicious
> editing by saying "I only quoted what was relevant to the topic."
> 
> : For instance I never mentioned the
> : low alcohol tolerance, which I could use for my own arguments.  You'll
> : find in most texts (maybe you don't read them), they only quote what is
> : relevant to their argument.  
> 
> That depends entirely on the intellectual integrity --- or lack thereof
> --- of the author, and also the degree of relevance/irrelevance of
> the material omitted.
> 
So alcohol tolerance has a bearing on Indian population size?  You must be
some academic.  Could I please have some sort of reasoning for this?

> : On no academic grounds does my quote do injustice.  
> 
> It was a disingenuous attempt to pervert the meaning of the article.
> You made the mistake of giving precise references, which made your
> fabrication easy to expose. I note that you have since refused to
> be precise, alluding only vaguely to texts if they may be readily
> available. It is much safer to hide behing vague falsehoods
> and diffuse prevarication. The only drawback is that your reticence
> to provide references when you claim to have them is a tacit admission 
> of fraudulence.
>
What a load of crap, please state why for example, the need to quote
alcohol tolerance of Indians in reference to population size.  Perhaps I'm
missing something here to understand this incredible piece of logic from
you.
 
> : Therefore one can only assume your wilful ignorance and a want
> : to "look" intelligent.  
> 
> Not really. When I want to look intelligent, I wear glasses. When
> I want to seem inteligent, I ask the person I wish to impress to read
> your postings. After enough of them, even the neighbour's dead cat 
> seems to be a genius.
> 
You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.  Trying to impress the neighbour's
dead cat to seem intelligent, must be an amazing example of someone who is
desperate.
I assume you were trying to be insulting?  What a poor attempt, I didn't
even need to twist your argument.

> : To be more succinct, you are ranting.
> 
> Well, to be precise, I was "WRITING" , and quoting the text you
> misrepresented.the text you misquoted.
> 
No, the other part of the text played no bearing on Indian population
size.  From your logic, if I wanted to quote a piece from a book, I should
quote the entire book.

> McKinstry quotes some lines from d.A.
> 
> : > While perusing this article, I looked at the classification into various
> : > "races. The article distinguishes nine "geographic races" (p.850) after
> : > explaining (p.849) that Homo sapiens "has a single origin, in terms of
> : > its single predecessor species, but with geographical differentiation
> : > arising well before the start of the Holcene epoch (about 10,000
years ago).
> : > At least some of the geographically delimited divisions of the
species (i.e.
> : > the geographic or continental races) owe many of their distinctive
> : > features  to differences present at an earlier tme that were preserved."
> : > 
> : > On p. 850, there is a brief discussion of the origins of modern man.
> : > 
> : > "Africa, espeically the area around Lake Tanganyika, now appears to be 
> : > the homeland of Homo, in which case all humans must be of African
> : > ancestry."
> : >
> 
> Now "They don't call me Clarence Darrow for nothing" McKinstry strikes:
> 
> : Notice "now appears", ie., there are still differences of opinions. 
> 
> d.A. interjects:
> 
> Not at all. The phrase says nothing about the number or plausibility
> of alternative explanations.  It simply means that the evidence 
> available does not exclude all other possibilities. It does 
> *not* mean that other plausible explanation are seriously entertained, 
> just that there is no definitive proof. When you graduate to primary 
> school, the English teacher will probably explain this to you. Just be
patient.
>
To bad I asked by Supervisor.  Now appears means: to the best of our
ability at this time to ascertain this ...
 
> : There is still room for doubt, etc.
> 
> Correct!! You know, you are beginning to learn! Wonders will never cease!
> I think we may be witnessing here a major breakthrough in science.
> We may have stumbled upon the famous "missing link" in the chain of
> evolution!!!
>
Amazing how you back me up now, are you like Singer, who unwittingly backs
up "the enemies" arguments?  "There is still room for doubt" is still in
response to "now appears", guess you weren't to good at the ol' primary
school english.  Is this why you went and saw an English Primary School
Teacher recently?  The old English is slipping a bit is it?
 
> The Missing Link again quotes d.A.

d.A tries to be funny, and misses the mark because of his own blunderings.
>   
> : > Even more salient to this newsgroup is the classification into nine
> : > "geographical races" of Homo sapiens, the only "racial classification"
> : > made in the article quoted by the poster from cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz.
> : >  
> : > "the European geographic race, which includes Europe, North Africa
> : > and the Middle East" (p.851)
> : > 
> : > The same page bears a map, coloured according to the geographiuc region
> : > occupied by each of these geographic races. Even a cursory glance shoes 
> : > that the "European race" includes, Moors, Arabs, Egyptians, Turks
> : > and all Jews, be they from the Middle East, Sephardic or Ashkenazy Jews!
> : > 
> : > So far the reference cited by the poster from cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz
> : > seems to support what the "liberals" have been saying.
> : > 
> : You could at least quote the Northwestern South Eastern Axis and the
> : various traits that go with it.  For example those along this border show
> : the ability to lactase better than other "Europeans."  Which is strange
> : since that border is prodominantly whiter than the rest (and it also
> : states that.)  You'll also find somewhere in the Brittanica a reference to
> : many more races of "mankind."  
> 
> d.A. again:
> 
> Where in which edition of the Britannica? Be careful!! This question is
> a rap. Tell me where exactly to look, and I'll do so!! Just a vague
> reference to tens of thousands of pages is just not convincing. You're
> bluffing.
>
>From  memory vol. 19 around page 720.
 
If there is a book on insults you should get it out.  Your original
insults weren't bad.  Have you been getting the logic for your insults
>from  spelling on your beer cans (XXXX instead of Beer)?

> So I rang information --- it could be a new or silent listing.
> Neither.
> 
> So I rang the Australian Museum in College St Sydney
> (Tel: + 02 320 6000). 
> 
> After some to-and-fro, I had an informative discussion with
> Val Attenbrow from the archaeology section there on
> Tuesday, 5th September, 1995.
> 
> I explained that I had heard about Phoenician artefacts having
> been found in Australia, and wanted to know where I could find
> out more.
> 
> Ms Attenbrow said that to the best of her professional knowledge,
> there have been no Phoenician artefacts found in Australia.
> 
> I then said that I had heard that there were Phoenicians here
> before the Kooris and the Murris.
> 
> Well, I was informed that there is evidence of Koori/Murri
> civilisation predating the earliest traces of the Phoenicians
> by over thirty thousand years.
> 
> Ms Attenbrow said that there have been nuemrous other
> "strange claims" over the years. She cited the example
> of the "Spanish Ruins" in Bitangabee near Eden on the
> South Coast of NSW. It was claimed to pre-date many
> other relics. A serious examination showed it to be the 
> remains of an abandoned whaling station built after the
> British colonisation of NSW.
> 
> I then gave the game away by admitting: "Well, I have
> been told that Dr R. Gilroy with a PhD in archaeology
> had found Phoenician artefacts in Australia".
> 
> The response was illuminating. "Oh, Gilroy. His father
> was already well-known for strange notions and theories."
> He had a mueseum of sorts at Mt Victoria in the Blue Mountains
> west of Sydney.
> 
> I saked Ms Attembrow where R. Gilroy obtained his PhD
> in achaeology.
> 
> Ms Attenbrow said she was not aware that he had one. She knows
> most people who have obtained PhD's in archaeology in Australia
> in the last decade or two, but she is ot aware that R. Gilroy
> has one from an Australian university. "It's possible that
> he obtained it overseas, or that i just don't know about it,
> but I don't think he has one from an Australian university."
> 
> I asked Ms Attenbrow if I could quote her in this forum.
> She agreed to my doing so.
> 
> The questions arise: Where and when did R. Gilroy obtain a
> PhD in archaeology? What was the title of his dissertation?
> 
So a R. Gilroy does exist.  As for where he got a degree in Archeology, I
wouldn't have clue, I presumed in a University of Australia, and that
hasn't been disproved either.  Also I never claimed (nor R. Gilroy) the
Phoenicians were here before the Abos, but its amazing to hear some of the
liberal's interpretations.  

So you can now begin your quest to find R. Gilroy, Val Attenbrow gave a
direction for Rex's father place.  Maybe that is a good place to start.

Cailean.

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> : > : Hopefully the liberals that like to triumph this question have the
courage
> : > : to admit their mistake.
> : >
> Always crowing over your "victory," too dumb to realize it's a loss.
>  
> : > : The American Indian question:  From the Encyclopedia Brittanica
1990, vol.
> : > : 18, pp 851, The Races of Mankind, The American Indian geographic race.
> : > 
> : > :.  Many
> : > : American Indian groups were eliminated as a result of disease, colonial
> : > : expansion, and forced relocation: but others have come to exceed their
> : > : pre-Columbian numbers with varying degrees of admixture from Europe and
> : > : Africa"
> : > 
> : > Just as it is today, California was the most populous area in north
> : > America five hundred years ago. 
> : > ... More than one million Natives are estimated to
> : > have lived there.
> : > 
> : > Where are they? Primarily wiped out (murdered through slavery and
> : > ...
> 
> : The question asked of Les, was concerning Canada, not northern
> : California.  Hopefully you can distinguish the distinction.
> 
> : Cailean.
> 
> Where does your feeb' attempt to come to grismolds's aid mention
> Canada? Your response is, as usual, just an attempt to slime out
> of having to acknowledge the truth. There was never any mention
> of relegating the debate to Canada alone, not that there hasn't
> been the same pattern of genocide for northern plains and
> northeastern tribes, anyway.

I suggest you read those "eight question for Les Griswold" posts sometime,
usually the first question is on the Indians in Canada.  If you didn't
realize this, my mistake for not clarifying.  However you will notice the
title of this post, I made the assumption that most liberals would know
what this post was about, and stop asking stupid questions again and again
and again and...

Cailean.

-- 
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> > : who was Sargon of Akkad's father?  
> > : 
> > 
> > Too easy! It was Montezuma Abraxas-Cortez, famous Phoenician
> > butterfly of exquisite blancheness undheard of before or since.
> > He was related by marriage to Pizarro on the Scottish side of
> > the latter's family and colonised the lower reaches of the
> > ski slopes of Wilberforce, New South Wales, after completing his
> > doctoral dissertation on "The Micro-Local Analysis of Inks Used
> > for Printing the Encyclopaedia Brittanica and Its Application
> > to DNA-Analysis for the Determination of the Penis Size of Maori
> > Men." 
> > 
> > This rare tome was printed in limited numbers, with one
> > copy destroyed by the dog which destroted the experiment in
> > artificial insemination at Brother Johnson's address. another
> > being one of the uninsured, precise docuemnts destroyed in a
> > fire which burnt down a house in Canada, *not* owned by its
> > occu[pant, but its occupant's son. Fortunately the only other
> > copy is in the safe hands of the McKinstry dynasty, and is its
> > prized heirloom.
> 
> Ohhhhh... _that_ Sargon of Akkad! I was thinking of the Sargon of Akkad
> that inhabited Kirk's body in "Return to Tomorrow". Silly me....
> 
> > Jeffrey G. Brown will just have to learn to live with the
> > fact that not everyone is entitled to know what is in
> > this pricelss document. He'll just have to accept McKinstry's
> > word about the conclusions.
> 
> Not _this_ Jeffrey G. Brown. You must be thinking of that other Jeffrey G.
> Brown who does _not_ have a perfectly functional bullshit filter.
> 
You should leave the humour to Chuck, even his worst is better than this.

Cailean.

-- 
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> > >         Well, actually that would be nice.  I wonder how you will be able 
> > > to come up with the reference for something that doesn't exist in science.
> > > A DNA test to determine 'whiteness'?  I see you've never taken a course 
> > > in biology, eh?
> > >         Please, if you *do* actually post a reply, stick to real science,
> > > not something from some neo-nazi who got his degree in the mail.
> > > 
> > Actually Joe, I typed S=HUMAN POPULATION GENETICS on the University of
> > Auckland's AUCAT (S= subject heading.)  Guess how many titles there were?
> > 
> > Around 50.  So please, please lose the arrogance, or you might have to eat
> > humble pie. 
> 
> And out of 50 references, McKinstry could not find one that explained how
> "white DNA" differs from "non-white DNA". Nor could he find a reference
> that explained how "white DNA" is tested for in the laboratory. Nor could
> he find any reference that indicates which researchers are working to
> determine the unique characteristics of "white DNA".

Actually, I haven't started reading a single on yet, I'll try in a couple
of weeks.  Mainly because, I'm rather busy at the moment.  Don't worry
Jeffrey, I won't forget.  Mainly because, I want to memorise it, so I can
laugh down your throat as much as possible.
> 
> He therefore settled for an article from the Encyclopedia Britannica
> discussing the use of genetic testing to follow the migrations of ancient
> populations -- an article which gave absolutely no indication of the
> existence of some unique "white DNA".
> 
> > The science does exist, including one title on the Genetics of Jews
> 
> Note that the message that McKinstry responds to does _not_ claim that the
> science of population genetics does not exist. McKinstry is subtly
> twisting his response to indicate that it does, but such is not the case.
> 
> What the message actually said was:
> 
> > > ...I wonder how you will be able 
> > > to come up with the reference for something that doesn't exist in science.
> 
> ... referring, of course, to the unique "white DNA" that McKinstry assures
> us loadly _must_ exist -- yet he cannot produce a single direct reference
> to any research results supporting his thesis.
> 
Okay Jeffrey.  Another reference from the Encyclopedia Brittanica (1990)
vol. 19 pp 724, Genetics of Race and Species, I've taken sentences out of
paragraphs, if you want the full reading, read the above reference:

"The Geneticist Curt Stern defined a race as a group more or less isolated
geograhically or culturally who share a common gene pool and who,
statistically, are somewhat different at some loci from other
populations."

I wonder what a common gene pool might be?

"Race differences are more often quantitive than qualitative; racially
distinct populations of a species differ usually in the frequency of
certain genes rather than the presence or absence of certain genes."

"Human races differ certainly in many genetic traits, not in blood groups
alone." 

"The major human races are separated by their most readily recognized
characteristics, such as skin colour, body size, and facial morphology."

Basically stating there are genetic differences between the races,
therefore a test can obviously be determined. I forgot to record the
reference to a mixed raced individual, it basically stated that it was
somewhere in between both parents, therefore a difference is again noted.

Cailean.

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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >> Actually Joe, I typed S=HUMAN POPULATION GENETICS on the 
> >> University of Auckland's AUCAT (S= subject heading.)  Guess how 
> >> many titles there were?
> >> 
> >> Around 50.  So please, please lose the arrogance, or you might 
> >> have to eat humble pie. The science does exist, including one
> >> title on the Genetics of Jews.
> 
> Colin, if you were to read any of these studies you would find what
> people have been trying to convey to you for days now: All they can
> do is measure trends. That is all. They could never, for certain,
> state that an individual is of a given nationality based upon the
> set of genes under analysis. They can only rely upon statistical
> trends.
> 
> The reason for this is that there are no alleles they have yet found
> that are relegated to merely one population. Every single human 
> population will have members that possess the target allele, although
> in varying numbers.
> 
> Do you know why this is? It is because humans the world over are more
> genetically similar to one another than just about any single species
> on the planet. 
> 
> One study revealed that two humans from the most distant ends of
> the earth will be infinitely more similar, genetically, than two
> low-land gorillas from the same forest in Africa. Our genetic variation
> among populations is that minimal -- so strikingly minimal that it
> is estimated we are all descended from a breeding population of just
> 10,000 individuals as recently as the end of the last ice-age, 12 to
> 15 thousand years ago.
> 
> Do you understand this? Do you even vaguely comprehend what this means,
> and what it does to your ... theories on race?
> 
> And one more thing: If you were to read those studies on the genetics
> of Jews, you would find that the nazis' favorite lie about Jews being
> descended from Khazars is just that: a lie. There is far more genetic
> similarity between Ashkenazim and Sephardim than there is between
> either and any of the surrounding populations in Europe or the near
> east.
> 
Actually singer, most of the references on Khazars to Ashkenazi are from
Jews, (Arthur Koeslter, Jack Berstein, Harry Freedman and so forth.)  I've
noted your argument.  I'll get back to it, in a couple of weeks.

Cailean.

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> >I'm afraid Lane, backed up my argument unwittingly and so did 
> >Mark, never mind. 
> 
> First of all, learn where to apply commas, and where they don't
> belong.

Never payed much attention to the arts, only science I'm afraid. 
Hopefully you never make the same mistake...
> 
> Secondly, the only person around here who is "unwitting" is you:
> You have failed to comprehend the facts that at least three people
> are laying before you, and have therefore not answered a single
> point.

I can't help it, if you wish to back my argument and disprove your own, I
never made the comment that some (note) sub-saharan tribes have similar
genetics to Europeans.  Which from your own statement goes towards proving
my own argument, whether you realize it, remains to be seen.
> 
> >Come back and play some other day.  
> 
> Ditto.
> 
SInger, if you wish to attack my statements then you should learn not to
unwittingly support my own.  I personally have nothing against this style,
but if you wish to be derogatry about it, I will quite happily point out
your own failings.

Cailean.

-- 
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Some nobody Jew wrote:

> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) writing from "academia" in remote New
> Zealand said in defense of He Who Has Disappeared (but hint- he was
> ben-Somebody):
> 
Actually it was Adam Krim, trying ineffectively to be insulting.

> [On the putative origin of the name Iberia...]
> 
> > I also posted from a couple of
> > Etymological dictionary the feasibility of such a connection, not that I
> > am currently in a position to either deny or affirm such a claim.  One
> > would have to investigate the Phonetic implication before making a
> > conclusion, and quoting from the Oxford Dictionary neither proves or
> > disproves it.
> 
> McKinstry, everybody has speculated that Iberia, and even more
> specifically, the Rio Ebro in the northeast of Spain, is related to
> "ebreo" or "Hebrew".  
> 
> Ben-Somebody adds dung to the fire not with this unoriginal contribution,
> but with his monumental ignorance of Spanish history.  He claims that
> Spain became the richest, greatest country in Europe by the act of
> officially expelling its entire Jewish population in 1492.  Or at least
> those who didn't stay behind and call themselves Christian for the sake of
> safety.  Sez it would turn out this way in his Bible.    
>
Spain did become the most powerful for a while.  You can refute this if
you wish, not that any historian with his salt would back you.
 
> In fact, McKinstry, although Spain had its fingers on the mineral wealth
> of the Americas within a decade after the expulsion, it so squandered this
> wealth during the 1500s, so that by the end of the century Spain was
> flat-out the poorest country in Western Europe, and remains the second
> poorest (behind Portuagal, the poorest) to this day.  
>
Too bad they miscegenated with the Indian populations of Latin America.
Never thought of that one did you?
 
> So much for the Biblical prophecies of the antisemites.  
> 
?
> Now what's your article of faith, other than that you believe that New
> Zealand's tiny Jewish population controls all the delis?
> 
Why would I want to tell some nobody Jew anything?

Cailean.

-- 
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> > Spain did become the most powerful for a while.  You can refute this if
> > you wish, not that any historian with his salt would back you.
> 
> You are ignorant, old boy!  The Spanish navy (la Armada espanola) was
> decimated in 1588 (in home waters, no less) completely ending its primacy
> in the Atlantic... and the Mediterranean.  The Spanish were also were
> driven out of the entirety of British North America and existed south of
> there, and in the west of the present-day United States, only because the
> English weren't interested.  After the 1588, inflation at home made a
> shambles of the Spanish economy.   
> 
Did I say they stayed powerful?  

> >> In fact, McKinstry, although Spain had its fingers on the mineral
> wealth
> >> of the Americas within a decade after the expulsion, it so squandered
> this
> >> wealth during the 1500s, so that by the end of the century Spain was
> >> flat-out the poorest country in Western Europe, and remains the second
> >> poorest (behind Portuagal, the poorest) to this day.  
> >>
> > Too bad they miscegenated with the Indian populations of Latin America.
> > Never thought of that one did you?
> 
> What are you talking about?  Do you have a concentration-lapse syndrome
> like the other Nazi  posters in this newsgroup?  I addressed Spain, not
> the Americas. The colonial natives didn't go to Iberia --- they were
> prohibibted from going there --- and Spaniards who had children in the
> Americas stayed in the colonies as permanent settlers.  You didn't know
> this?   
> 
Yes, the Spaniard to the Americas, miscegenated and becoming useless,
something Spain couldn't withstand.  Not to mention the Usury problem...

> Or do you just have a dislike of the indigenous peoples of this continent?
>  The Mexica (Aztec) civilization of central Mexico which Cortez found was
> not too much less advanced than his own, but did lack war-making
> apparatus.  Not that they didn't have plenty of interneciine warfare. The
> Aztec and linguistically-allied nations stretched from just south of
> present-day Arizona to Central America.  
> 
> As usual, you're in over your head.  You live in a country where the
> median is not too advanced over the median of present-day central Mexico
> (meaning the area from Queretaro to Cuernavaca and including the Valley of
> Mexico and containing half of Mexico's population) either.  Even the poor
> parts of Mexico (the north along the U.S. border and the southeast) are
> well outside the Third World, whereas all New Zealanders are so far from
> the remainder of the world that they aren't even classified.
>
If you wish to criticize New Zealand, I'm not stopping you, I'd probably
even help you.
 
> (Jim Collier a nobody Jew wrote):
> >> So much for the Biblical prophecies of the antisemites.  
> >> 
> >>
> >> Now what's your article of faith, other than that you believe that New
> >> Zealand's tiny Jewish population controls all the delis?
> >> 
> 
> > Why would I want to tell some nobody Jew anything?
> 
> Sorry, McKinstry.  I guess you were trounced.  In general, I don't give a
> rat's ass what the Bible says with respect to prophecy. (Make a note of
> that, will you?)  Other than as a chronicle of the peoples of the Middle
> East, it is a pretty sorry work for running the 20th century.  And if you
> must know the truth, the Christian addtions contain nothing of interest
> for any non-Christian, not just Jews.  If you're going to wave it at me
> like some medicine man, you're wasting your time.  
> 
Who gives a shit what you think? You're just some nobody Jew.  If you
rated I might consider what you just wrote, but since you don't, I won't.

> By the way (second or third request), what are your academic
> qualifications to be a rational Jew-hater, and which particular
> institution might you attend there in the big city of Aukland?   
> 
Why would I want to waste my time with a nobody like you, telling you my
qualifications?  You've obviously already forgotten my post from a few
months back, telling you again, will be a waste of effort.

Cailean.

-- 
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Abos = Australian Aborigines.

Qu. What did God tell the abos before he left?

Ans.  Don't do anything until I come back.

Probably the best joke of week however is Jeff Han's assertion that only
post-1965 texts are relevant.  One question I forgot to ask him was, if an
author wrote a book in 1964 and another in 1966, is the one in 1964
incorrect, whilst the other correct, or would they both be incorrect? 
Which is based on the theory that if the 1964 text is incorrect, then so
is the Author, therefore his 1966 text is also incorrect.  So shouldn't we
also have an age restriction as well, those born after 1965 are correct,
whilst those before are incorrect?  Therefore you won't have the above
contradiction.

If this is wrong, could you please state where the flaw lies, rather than
resorting to your superior intellectual safety (calling people original
names like: idiot and moron.)

Cailean.

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Subject: Re: Colon's `Histories'
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>   Let's see: you posted `Lords of the Soil', which was your attempt to `prove'
> that the Aztec royal line was `white'.   One paragraph served as that `proof',
> citing accounts taken from dated history texts (as was the entire post,
for thatmatter) and examples of Aztec artwork which depicts those peoples
with light 
> skin tones- none of this is SCIENTIFIC (anthropological or archaeological) 
> evidence.  You claimed that the Phoenicians `brought civilization' to the 
> Aztec people and thereby influenced their art and religion (the white god and,
> again, the light skin tone depictions in art), again without any SCIENTIFIC 
> evidence.  All of your `evidence' comes from dated history texts.
> 
So Aztec relics aren't archaeological evidence?  Are you like d.A who
thinks stone age is advanced, and technology, primitive?  I never claimed
the Phoenicians brought civilization to the Amerikas, that is your
interpretation, I said a white people did, with a reasonable chance that
it was Phoenician (because Phoenicians were brilliant mariners.)  

So dated texts are now wrong?  Let me ask you a question Jeff, if I wanted
to study Plato, I should only read modern texts rather than texts closer
to the source, or preferably Plato's own?  No wonder I can thrash you in
any argument Jeff, your logic is screwed.  I'm afraid that if I wanted to
do a thorough research into the topic, I would need to go as close as
possible to the original source.  

>   The point: try reading a CURRENT (say, from 1965 and beyond) text, Colon; I 
> don't believe that the libraries in New Zealand could be THAT far behind those
> in most parts of North America (excepting parts of Mexico, the area of Canada
> that Less lives in, etc.).  You DO know what `whig history' means, don't you?
> You had better make sure before you attempt to disseminate more of your 
> theories again...
> 
>From  your own statements, any text before 1965 is incorrect.  Therefore,
how do you know if any text after 1965 is correct?  Surely pro-1965 texts
base their works on pre-1965 texts?  How does any researcher come to his
conclusions Jeff, because after 1965 they get a special insight, that our
ancestors didn't know about (even though they even there) or because they
are pushing modern propaganda (that browns/blacks can build
civilizations)?

Could you please state your reasons that pre-1965 texts are wrong.

As one other thought (painful for you, I know), King Richard I and King
John, now if you have done any study into the topic, we go through these
cycles on who was the bad king and who wasn't.  So which thought is
correct and which isn't?  Given this light, re-read your own arguments.

Cailean.

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Subject: Re: ATTN Grego, where is this...
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> : supposed counterargument to my assertion on meteorology?  I've tried
> : coming up with them myself.  Here are some possibilities:
> 
> Why thank you!  (See also "American Indians caused the desert SW..."
> for the real discussion...)
> 
> : 1.  Egypt is a desert, how did it become a desert?  Even before
> : civilization came to the region, it was a desert.
> 
> : Good question.
> 
> Not my question, though.  Actually I had no question in this area.
> Just what I thought were better theories for the cause of the 
> desertification of the American Southwest (please see the "American 
> Indians caused..." thread).
>
I was bored, since I couldn't find your article, I started going through
some possibilities.
 
> But your post seems interesting, so let's go through it...
> 
> : As many archeologist point out, blacks were living there before
> : civilization came to the region (and were subsequently removed from the
> : area, as civilization came incredibly quickly.)  Therefore, if Egypt was a
> : fertile region then it is possible that the blacks destroyed what
> : vegetation there was.
> 
> Yes, it is possible.
> 
> : This could have happened because of a poor soil
> : layer (much like the Amazon rain forest), once the vegetation was gone,
> : there would be little that would allow vegetation to regain its strength. 
> : Once the trees were gone, it would seem unlikely that (because of osmosis)
> : that "rain" would have reestablished itself.  
> 
> : Of course Egypt could have always been a desert, which doesn't reject my
> : argument either.  The legends make mention that Mizraim (a grandson of
> : Noah) diverted the Nile from Libya into Egypt (a formidible task.)  Which
> : is why upper and lower Egypt was called Mizraim for centuries.  Once
> : irrigation had settled, then vegetation could be applied to those areas
> : covered by the Nile.  
> 
> : 2.  All right, how does it not reject your argument?
> 
> Why would I even ask this?  (I don't even know what the question is 
> trying to ask!)
>
Sorry, jumped the gun, I was talking about whether Egypt was always a desert.
 
> : If vegetation could not have grown there from the most ancient of times,
> : then it could not have gotten hold a latter time, unless some intervention
> : made it so.
> 
> Correct.  Going from "can't support" to "can support" implies change. 
> 
> : The desert in the USA, however is a different type of desert,
> : comparatively it is quite fertile, and has vegetation.
> 
> I don't know about it's fertility, but I do know that it does indeed have 
> some vegetation.
>
A comparison between most of Egypt (excepting the area around the Nile)
and the US desert.
 
> : Therefore it is an
> : indicator that the area could support vegetation.
> 
> It does support vegitation, so again, correct.
> 
> : Only some intervention
> : stopped it from being more productive.
> 
> Yup.  Rainfall.
> 
> : 3.  So why doesn't it become more prosperous?
> 
> Rainfall.  If the land in the desert Southwest is not irrigated,
> it supports "chapperel (sp?)" and "desert" type vegitation.  With
> irrigation it supports a vast assortment of vegitation.  We in California 
> even get the dubious honor of subsidizing farmers to grow RICE in 
> California by paying for part of their water.
> 
True, good irrigation will provide a better (or least the potential)
growing environment.  However if I'm mistaken, the desert does have "dry"
rivers, which would allow "wet" rivers to flow, should water become
available, ie., there is some irrigation anyway.

> : Without a large supply of well established trees, the process known as
> : osmosis becomes weak.  Therefore, the amount of persipitation in the
> : atmosphere would be lowered, therefore the "clouds" are less likely to be
> : formed, or at least made to "drop its load".
> 
> I thought that cloud formation MAINLY happens over the ocean.  Am I
> mistaken?
>
Yes.  Most of the ozone formation occurs over the ocean (due to plankton)
as well as most of the planets oxygen support.  One of ways to tell if you
are near land (apart of sea birds) is cloud formation.     
 
> : Mountains help this process
> : as well.  Mountains however cannot make clouds.
> 
> Again, in my reply I talk about the "rain shadow" effect.  Mountains
> don't push moisture into the air, but they can play a part in
> causing clouds to dump thier load of rain.
> 
I never accused you of being dumb, I was making sure you didn't think I
did (that mountains form clouds.)

> : 4.  Why cannot it not come from the oceans?
> 
> : As many a sailor will point out, in the middle of an ocean, there are no
> : clouds, only when one gets closer to land does cloud formation become
> : evident.
> 
> But that is where the atmosphere picks up most of it's moisture (or so I 
> thought).
> 
Then you would be wrong.  Admittedly coming from New Zealand and the
propaganda machine going non stop, you pick up this sort of thing
(Aotearoa -- the land of the long white cloud, instead of the name New
Zealand.)

Cailean.

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Subject: Re: ATTN Grego, where is this...
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> : 5.  Surely rivers help vegetation?
> 
> : Yes they do, rivers come down from mountains, which in turn need clouds to
> : make such transistion (even for snow.)
> 
> Yup, agreed.
> 
> : 6.  What if a large meteorite destroyed the vegetation rather than the
> : noble, at one with nature, peace loving, and hippy indigeoness people?
> 
> I get a big kick out of you sometimes.  8)
> I would have never even thought of this...

I was going through possibilities, I get asked all sorts of stupid
questions sometimes.
> 
> : Yes, that is a possibility.  Unfortunately, large meteorites also tend to
> : leave their presence for millenium.   Also, such a quick change does not
> : seem to pose too greater a difficulty for vegetation to recover from, as
> : "neighbouring" vegetation allow the area to recover,
> 
> yup, I just came back from Hawaii...talk about devistation, those lava 
> fields look like the "end of the world"...but plants are already starting 
> to take over.
> 
> : also a meteorite may
> : provide an abundance of minerals that plants may absorb.  As is witnessed
> : with volcanic eruptions, delibrate fires and so forth.
> 
> I don't think a meteorite would itself provide enough "minerals" to help 
> plant life in any measurable way...but that's just my opinion.
> 
Actually meteors can contain huge mineral wealth.  As a digression, it was
suggested the best way of mining titanium (titanium being very expensive
to extract.)

> : 7.  What if a large atmospherical change occured?
> 
> Stuff would happen?
> 
> : That would be felt all over the globe, and a global change would occur,
> : the various ice ages are an example of this phenomen.
> 
> Oky doky.
> 
> : 8.  Aha, got you, how did vegetation take hold after the last ice age?
> 
> Sheesh, when was the last time I ever said "Aha"?   8)
>
Taken from the argument sketch of Monty Python.
 
> : First off the last ice age peaked in 1492 A.D, and the globe has been
> : subsequently been getting warmer since,
> 
> Hmmmm, that seems EXTREMELY more recent than the last Ice Age I've ever 
> heard of.  Mabye we have different definitions of "Ice Age"?
>
Just something I like to point out to people, stuffs up their theories
half the time (global warming due to the increase of CO2 emission.)
 
> : however to answer your question in
> : the manner you wished:
> 
> Hehe.  It's kind of funny considering that you are asking these
> questions of yourself.  Actually it's rather interesting because I can 
> see smidgens of how you formulate arguments.
> 
Maybe, maybe not.  I'm a real bastard when it comes to arguments :)

> : If no vegetation could have grown in that time,
> : then no life would have taken place either.
> 
> Mabye vegitation would need longer to grow?  (Actually, you can safely 
> ignore this point because I'm not at all sure what you are saying by the 
> above).
> 
> : Also the thawing out process
> : would have allowed the vegetation to take root once more (lots of water.) 
> : One should also note that seeds can hibernate in the soil for centuries.
> 
> Yup.  This is what I think happens.  (Wait, am I supposed to be arguing 
> for you or against you?)
>
Actually I forgot one other point I was going to say, that was plants
hibernate in the cold (well most of them do.)
  
> : An example of this is in New Zealand, the native seeds are still there,
> : and if allowed to grow, will.  The conservation minded Maoris, in there
> : conservation hunting of Moas accidently burned out a lot of shrub land in
> : the central parts of the south islands in their attempts to count Moa
> : numbers.  They also forgot how to count past zero, so they had to kill
> : them all, to give an accurate tally.
> 
> 8)
> 
> : Being serious once more, the Maoris
> : wiped out this area out, it has not recovered, only by the ingenuity of
> : white farmers can they keep livestock there.  Yet the seeds are still
> : there, if a sufficient climate arose, they would grow.
> 
> Probably true (about the seeds at least).
>
Oh its reasonably well known that the Maoris lit fires to slaughter Moas
(got them out of the vegetation.)
 
> : 9.  You only hate the more "primitive" peoples, and are therefore, more
> : biased, you cannot give an accurate account.
> 
> Hmmmm, I've never argued this either.  But let's see how you handle your 
> question to yourself...
>
No, but it was one of these stupid statements I get every other day, the
lasted one is from Jeff Han and history.  At least he was honest in
telling me the minimum date he would accept of any text.
 
> : While I make no mask on my dislike of these peoples, your innate and
> : unfounded prejudice does not serve justice.  You can gather most of this
> : information from a biology course and a meteorological course.  The
> : reference to the last age of 1492, comes from many history books, for
> : example the text, Medieval Europe, A short history by Hollister makes
> : mention of it.
> 
> Hmmm, I'd like to see it.  (I'll file this reference away).

I consider a short, but accurate presentation of the medieval world of
Europe.  Jeff Han should like it, it was written after 1965.
> 
> : 10.  Silence.
> 
> Ooops, I mean "I am speachless".  There, was that good?

No, the typical liberal response, they go run away.  At least I can say
when I'm beaten, not like those cowards.
> 
> : Question for you Grego; was I close?
> 
> Not by a mile (ooops, I mean kilometer).  But it was entertaining.  8)
> 
As stated in part I, I was bored.  I was trying to come down to the level
of a bright liberal, whether I succeeded is a matter of debate.  Which is
why there were some dumb and stupid questions posed.  If I wanted to be
more accurate, I should have dodged the issue more, and ask really
irrelevant questions -- like, what year was this text written?

Cailean.

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Subject: Re: Indians caused the American desert SW (was Re: ATTN Grego)
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> : > : > >Aren't Indians nomads (at least in that time period?)
> : > : >
> : > : >   Even if they were, forcing people out of where they lived for that
> : > : > season/month/whatever just 'cause you're groovin' on something called
> : > : > Manifest Destiny doesn't make it right.
> : >
> : > : By what standard was it wrong?  The savages weren't doing anything
useful
> : > : with it anyway.
> : >
> : > 'Cept I guess living on it, and living off what it provided them.
> : > But hell, "savages" doesn't equal "people", does it?
> : >
> : They were using the entire area or was it just lying fallow?
> 
> If the Native Americans were indeed hunter/gatherers, then "the entire land"
> was where they got their food from.
> 
Most of the land was unused, as well as other lands being inefficiently used.

> Someone saying that he "deserves to have my car because I hardly ever
> use it" doesn't quite wash with me.
>
And?  Your car has no bearing on the nation's livelihood, however land can
be put to use.
 
> : > : > It was stealing, pure and
> : > : > simple.
> : >
> : > : So you have donoted your entire belongings to the Savages then? 
Otherwise
> : > : you are a thief, pure and simple.
> : >
> : > Nope.  Some of our ancestors were, though.  And murderers, and rapists.
> : > Do I feel guilty about it?  Of course not, it wasn't me that did the
> : > stealing, killing, and raping.
> : >
> : Bit of hypocrisy here isn't it.  Are you now saying that it's no longer
> : their land?  So why are you defending Indian "rights" and so forth?
> 
> Hypocrisy?  Why?  I'm being consistant (and a realist) when I say what I
> did.  Most of the people here own land because :
> 
>         1. We bought some from the Native Americans.
>         2. We bought some from the French who had earlier bought or stolen it
>                 from the Native Americans.
>         3. We bought some from the Mexicans who had earlier bought or
stolen it
>                 from the Native Americans.
>         4. We stole some from the Mexicans who had earlier bought or stolen it
>                 from the Native Americans.
>         5. We stole some from the Native Americans (easiest done by
killing them
>                 first, but putting them on reservations will do nicely).
> 
> And when I say "stole", I mean "take by force what wasn't ours to begin with".
> 
> Now if I was one of the ones that did the "stealing", then I am a thief.
> If I am the son of one of the ones that did the "stealing", then I am
> a son of a thief.  NOT a thief.  Where's the hypocrisy?
> 
I am assuming that like most liberals you support "people's rights," in
this case Indian's rights.  Especially in respect to land issues. 
Therefore the hypocrisy lies, not in whether you are the son of a thief,
but in the fact you want the government to give up land (or whomever),
whilst you don't.  The thought process "we should give them land, so long
as its not mine."

> As for saying it's no longer their land, yes, I am saying that.  I'm saying
> that the land now belongs to US.  If my great great great grandfather stole
> some land, and later sold parts of it to 12 different families (who KNEW it
> was stolen), I would say that those families should give it back (stolen
> property).  If those same families were able to keep the land for several
> generations, and sold the land to other families, who sold the land to other
> families it gets a bit muddier.  It's harder to show who the property was
> stolen from, and there are now many families who bought "their" land
> on good faith (ie practical issues as opposed to moral issues).
> 
> You also ask "So why are you defending Indian "rights" and so forth?"
> I don't remember ever saying anything about "rights" (except in
> questioning your alleged "right of conquest").  I think that you are
> reading too much into things.
>
Obviously you aren't most liberals, which asks me, what the hell are you
writing here for?
 
> To make it simple : I'm just calling a steal a steal.
> 
> :
> : > Saying it was "stealing, pure and simple" is the truth.  Suppose you had
> : > some acreage in the Sierra Nevadas that you use for hunting, fishing,
> : > and as a homestead.  And say I thought that your land would be better
> : > used for a paper mill.  And suppose I got a group of my friends and
> : > relatives to kick you off that land because I'd be making use of it
> : > while you're just letting it go to waste.  If we were determined enough,
> : > we'd take the land (with, I would gather, some casualties).  But the
> : > world would be a better place, because now more people would be
> : > getting the benefits of the land.  And beside, you and your family
> : > probably weren't even poeple...look at them, they were so stupid
> : > that they didn't even know how to use the land...
> : >
> : If you are trying to get a sympathy vote out of me this way, you're
> : barking up the wrong tree.  I'm nationalistic, petty personal pursuits
> : don't interest me.  Thus I would have no problem giving up such land for
> : the benefit of the nation (providing it does.)  Mainly because I would
> : never get into the above scenerio.  Non issue.
> 
> Who says I would ever want to get a sympathy vote out of you?
>
Then don't bother posing the above style of questions.
 
> Mabye this paragraph illustrates where we really differ.  You state that
> you are "nationalistic, petty personal pursuits don't interest me".
> I, on the other hand, am an indivualist (born and raised the 'merican
> way).  We'll probably end up agreeing to disagree.   8)
>
I was brought up on similar principles, I just decided to mature a bit more.  
> :
> : > : Right of conquest.
> : >
> : > So what is a "right"?  Something you're entitled to?
> : >
> : > If I mug you, and don't get caught, is that "right of conquest"?
> : > I had a "right" to your wallet?
> : >
> : Who says I'd let you get away with it?  Petty revenge is another topic
> : altogether...
> 
> Here, let me simplify for you:
> 
> If I want something that you have AND I can get away with taking it from
> you, does that mean I have a RIGHT to that thing?
> 
Actually I was using a Savage's argument.  Obviously you don't think they
are your equal.  The story goes (in New Zealand):  The Mori Oris (who were
the native people of the Chatham Islands, were basically butchered and
eaten by the conquering Maoris.  With the Waitangi Tribunal (were Maoris
go to get free land) the Mori Oris tried to get the same deal for the
Chatham Islands (actually the then Maori land), they were outright refused
on the above basis.  As they say, what is good for the goose is good for
the gander.

> :
> : > : >   Interesting how the Europeans kept right on stealing all the
land they
> : > : > could.  Was this person who stole from the fort maybe taking
what was his
> : > : > in the first place?  Wouldn't that be just wonderful, chopping off the
> : > : > head of some guy because he wanted his own stuff back.
> : > : >
> : > : So what things did the Indians possess that could be classed as valuable
> : > : back then?
> : >
> : > Their families, who just happend to live off that land.
> : >
> : The topic was not about land, but a valuable item, please try again.
> 
> Here, let me SIMPLIFY for you:
> 
> Stacia : "Interesting how the Europeans kept right on stealing all the
land..."
> You : "So what things did the Indians possess that could be classed as
valuable..."
> Me : "Their families, who just happend to live off that land."
> You : "The topic was not about land, but a valuable item"
> 
> Stacia was talking about land.  You asked what they had that was of value.
> I said their families (which lived off what the land provided them).  You then
> said that the topic wasn't about land, but something valuable.
> 
> Point 1: Stacia WAS in part talking about land.
> Point 2: I was only talking about land indirectly.
> Point 3: I was talking directly about the Natives' families, which although
> of little value to you was SURELY valuable to the Natives.
> 
> I can "please try again" if you would like.
> 
I was talking about Capt. John Smith decapitating an Indian thief.  Not
land issues, which is were you got confused.  The thief was stealing a
valuable item from the fort, its a bit hard for the thief to steal land
>from  the fort (unless the had some special and unique soil.)

> : > Ooops, forgot, they weren't real people (what species were they again?)
> : >
> : > : Unlike savages, europeans tend to stop when it is pointed out to them.
> : > : Take for example wild bird populations.  Unlike the savage Maori,
European
> : > : New Zealanders actually try and preserve bird populations.
> : >
> : > I'll agree with that...it just took so damn long for them to get things
> : > pointed out to them, eh?
> : >
> : > And those damn savages, killing off the bison every 20 or so years,
> : > needing to bio-engineer new ones so that they could live off them
> : > for several thousand years...
> : >
> : Bizarre.
> 
> Point being that the American Indians DIDN'T have a way to bioengineer
> new species, so the ones found in large numbers (such as the bison) at the
> dawn of European intervention must have "survived the onslaught of those
> nature ravaging savages" quite nicely.
> 
The bison obviously were superior to the indians.
> : >
> : > : >   It's been a long, long time and the buffalo are still a bit of a
> : > : > rarity.  They are most common in the region I live in, and you have
> : > : > to go
> : > : > out of your way to see them.
> : > : >
> : > : Yet they will eventually increase, so long as the other races
don't get to
> : > : numerous (and eat them.)
> : >
> : > So, here's some questions for you:
> : >
> : > How many bison are ther now?
> : >
> : Wouldn't have a clue.
> 
> : > How many will there be in 100 years (assuming European guardianship)?
> : >
> : Without the Usury monster, much larger.
> 
> May I steal a quote from you?
> 
> "Bizarre."

It is well known that deforestation of a countries forests, destruction of
their resources go to paying their debts to international banks.  The
Asian bank is probably the best known example of it (I had field day with
liberals at the time the Asian Bank came to Auckland.)
> 
> :
> : > How many were there just befor the Europeans started visiting America
> : > (in other words, under the Indian menace)?
> : >
> : Wouldn't have a clue.
> :
> : > Ballpark, order of magnitude answers would do.  And mabye you could also
> : > answer these questions about the flocks of passenger pigeons that used to
> : > darken the skys when europeans first settled the new world, but are now
> : > extinct.  "It just took so damn long for them to get things pointed out to
> : > them"?
> 
> Here, let me SIMPLIFY FOR YOU:
> 
> Do you think that the bison in North America will EVER reach the numbers that
> they once had prior to European intervention?
> 
They could, circumstances have to change.  See my last statement.
> : >
> : > : > >Perhaps there is a racial difference?  Why couldn't they be more
> : > : > >productive and use horticultural or agricultural techniques?
> : > : >
> : > : >   You are saying they didn't?  How could they have survived at all if
> : > : > they had no ability to successfully hunt or farm?
> : >
> : > : Tell as about this farming Stacia.
> : >
> : > I don't know if they did or didn't farm.  Do you?
> : >
> : It's sarcasm.  Stacia made the remark.
> 
> You : "Why couldn't they be more productive and use horticultural or
> agricultural techniques?"
> 
> Hmmm, sounds like you also made the remark (unless "farming" doesn't
> equal "use horticultural or agricultural techniques").
> 
Please tell me about the Indians farming techniques, hunting and gatherers
don't farm.  I hope you realize this, maybe then you can understand my
"dig" at Stacia.
> : >
> : > : > They lived in the area
> : > : > for a long time, Colin;  some European with visions of grandeur and
> : > : > racist opinions hops in and immediately assesses the situation -- no
> : > : > wonder he was wrong.  Wasn't Smith writing to the Queen, making
arguments
> : > : > to justify taking the land?
> : > : >
> : > : So?
> : >
> : > So it's easier to justify taking the land if it's "for the good of the
> : > plants and animals".
> : >
> : Howabout the nation?
> 
> Part 1:
> 
> Stacia was adressing why someone would "doctor the truth a little" about
> the Indians' ecology practices.  You said "So?".  I tried to simplify
> it for you.  Then you started a little topic drift...

Capt. John Smith, the evil governor that he was, didn't like Indians. 
Simple, the entire topic was drifted away by Stacia.  Remember the
original thread "Captain John Smith & Pocachontas"?  I commented that the
story is propaganda for the promotion of interacial marriage, whilst
attempting to prove that Capt. John Smith didn't like Indians, therefore
this supposed romance is complete and utter bullshit.
> 
> Part 2:
> 
> Yes, it's also easier to kick people off their land if you can convince
> your kinsman and superiors that it's for the good of the nation.
> Agreed.
> 
> : > : >
> : > : > >> They'd lived in that area for
> : > : > >> centuries, if I recall correctly.  If they were depleting the
natural
> : > : > >> wildlife, they would have done it a long time before 1608.
> : > : > >>
> : > : > >They lived in an incredibly large area that could support their
> : > : > >devastating eating habits.
> : > : >
> : > : >   Then it wasn't devastating.  If the land supports you, Colin, it is
> : > : > *not* devastating.
> : > : >
> : > : So why was the west a desert?
> : >
> : > Hmmm, for the same reason that most, if not all deserts are considered
> : > deserts:
> : >
> : > VERY LITTLE RAINFALL.
> : >
> : Perhaps you should take a course in meteorology.  Or perhaps to some of
> : the arguments of "greenies" on the Amazon forest getting butchered.  Which
> : raises another point, why does it rain more in the Amazon forest than in
> : the western desert?  The answer is in meteorology.
> 
> Hmmm, I took a some courses in college that included a small spattering
> of atmospheric sciences.
> 
> I believe that large scale deforestation can have clamactic changes.
> 
> But I also believe the the deserts in the American southwest (and the Sahara)
> are caused by the "Hadley Cels" : three convection cels above the Equator,
> and three below the equator.
> 
One flaw, the Sahara used to be known for its Birch Trees, too bad the
natives deforested it.

> Where the cels move moist warm air up (at 0 and 60 degrees north and south
> latitudes), you get heavier precipitation.  This is because the air gets
cooler
> as it rises, and cooler air can't hold as much moisture.
> 
> Where the cels move the same cool (and now drier) air back down (at 30 degrees
> north and south latitude, and the poles), you tend to get much lighter
> precipitation.  This is because the air gets warmer as it lowers, and warmer
> air can hold more moisture (coupled with the fact that the air had been
> already squeezed of moisture on it's way up).
> 
> The American desert south-west is at about 32 N latitude.  Egypt, Libya, and
> Saudia Arabia are at about 30 N latitude.  South Australia is at about
> 30 degrees S latitude.
>
Flaws, South Australia still provides an abundance of vegetation.  Saudia
Arabias desert was caused by the poor farming techniques performed by the
Arabs.  Saudia Arabia used to be quite fertile, as was Libya.  Let me
explain, why did the Cattle farmers protest over having sheep in the
west?  Both sheep and goats eat the vegetation right down to the roots,
cattle do not.  Therefore greater skill is needed in keeping both sheep
and goats.  The Arabs obviously didn't realize this.  Which is why most of
the ME is a desert rather than the fertile grounds it once was.  Of course
the Arabs also did quite a lot of deforestation as well.
 
> We can also add the "rain shadow" effect : when air is forced up
> by mountain ranges, the air cools and dumps a good degree of it's moisture
> (as rain, etc.) on that side of the mountain range.  When the air goes
> back down the other side, it gets warmer and is drier (drier because again,
> it's already been wrung out on the other side of the range, and because warm
> air can hold more moisture).
> 
> One example is Death Valley, on the eastern side of the Sierra Nevadas (the
> clouds blow in from the west).  Another is the Hawaiian island chain, on
> the south west side of each of the islands (volcanic mountains, the clouds
> blow in from the north east).
> 
> Now this is a VAST oversimplification (corialis (sp?) effects come in to play
> if I remember right), but you get the idea.
> 
Are yes, but perhaps trees also provide the necessary criteria?

> : > As for "Compare western culture with indian culture.  Which could
support the
> : > largest population per square foot?", does that make western culture
better?
> : > We can get even closer to the brink of overpopulation and crowding through
> : > western culture?
> : >
> : Quite feasible.  I've heard the propaganda of overcrowding, but I've never
> : heard any proof to go with it.  Of course if we look at say the Asian
> : civilizations, then they would be correct.
> 
> I consider American cities overcrowded; at least some of the ones I've
visited:
> 
>         Boston
>         Los Angeles
>         San Francisco
>         San Diego
>         Newark
>         Miami
>
So why has there been this demand or urbanisation rather than
ruralisation?  Also whites (a generalisation) tend to live in a high
standard of living, compared to non whites.  The non whites provide the
overcrowding, if removed, the city could handle even greater population
with reasonable wealth (yes I realize there is going to be poor people)
and standard of living.  Either that or ruralisation might become
profitable again.
 
Cailean.

-- 
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> : > Someone saying that he "deserves to have my car because I hardly ever
> : > use it" doesn't quite wash with me.
> : >
> : And?  Your car has no bearing on the nation's livelihood, however land can
> : be put to use.
> 
> Unless someone decides that my car is.  Or my house.  Or my wife.

I somehow doubt it could be justified, especially your wife.
> 
> Now if I'm a member of that nation, then I am giving agreement (in
> some form) to take these things in a national emergency.
> 
> But if I'm not a member, then it's stealing (in the small scale),
> or anexing (in the large scale).  Or "manifest destiny" if the
> robber gets to right the histroy books.   ;)
> 
> : > Hypocrisy?  Why?  I'm being consistant (and a realist) when I say what I
> : > did.  Most of the people here own land because :
> : > ...
> : > And when I say "stole", I mean "take by force what wasn't ours to
begin with".
> : > 
> : > Now if I was one of the ones that did the "stealing", then I am a thief.
> : > If I am the son of one of the ones that did the "stealing", then I am
> : > a son of a thief.  NOT a thief.  Where's the hypocrisy?
> : > 
> : I am assuming that like most liberals you support "people's rights," in
> : this case Indian's rights.
> 
> Bad assumption.  I'm a bad ol' moderate semi-libertarian*.  As such,
> I believe that all people have a right to do whatever they want,
> as long as they don't impinge on the rights of others.  I also believe
> that people SHOULD have the right to property, the right to free
> speech, the right to any religion...probably entrenched in my
> American cluture (and you WPer's thought that we didn't share
> the same culture because I was brown of skin...)  8)
> 
> (* I'm allowed to be a non-liberal on this NG because I'm non-white)  8)
> 
> : Especially in respect to land issues. 
> 
> Right to property.
> 
I have no problems with property rights.  Just Indians.

> : Obviously you aren't most liberals, which asks me, what the hell are you
> : writing here for?
> 
> I'm a "person of color" who likes the boundaries of the US just the
> way they are.  Mabye you could have a white homeland in Europe?  Or
> NZ?   8)
Maybe...  Though I'm no fan of New Zealand, too many useless liberals.
> 
> : > Mabye this paragraph illustrates where we really differ.  You state that
> : > you are "nationalistic, petty personal pursuits don't interest me".
> : > I, on the other hand, am an indivualist (born and raised the 'merican
> : > way).  We'll probably end up agreeing to disagree.   8)
> : >
> : I was brought up on similar principles, I just decided to mature a bit
more.  
> 
> 8)
> 
> Call me young at heart.

So you admit your irresponsible?
> 
> : > : > : Right of conquest.
> : > If I want something that you have AND I can get away with taking it from
> : > you, does that mean I have a RIGHT to that thing?
> : > 
> : Actually I was using a Savage's argument.  Obviously you don't think they
> : are your equal.
> 
> Yup.  Some could be "better" than me, some could be "worse".  You
> wouldn't want me to stereotype, now would you?
> 
> : The story goes (in New Zealand):  The Mori Oris (who were
> : the native people of the Chatham Islands, were basically butchered and
> : eaten by the conquering Maoris.  With the Waitangi Tribunal (were Maoris
> : go to get free land) the Mori Oris tried to get the same deal for the
> : Chatham Islands (actually the then Maori land), they were outright refused
> : on the above basis.  As they say, what is good for the goose is good for
> : the gander.
> 
> I'm not exactly clear on "the above basis".  Who took the land from whom,
> in what order, and for how long?
> 
Right of conquest, you know "using a Savage's argument"?

> : > Point being that the American Indians DIDN'T have a way to bioengineer
> : > new species, so the ones found in large numbers (such as the bison) at the
> : > dawn of European intervention must have "survived the onslaught of those
> : > nature ravaging savages" quite nicely.
> : > 
> : The bison obviously were superior to the indians.
> 
> Reason being?
>
I was amusing myself, bison were powerful beasts, they can attack, and
they can stampede through a bunch of Indians.  Obviously a prey taken with
caution.
 ...
> : Please tell me about the Indians farming techniques, hunting and gatherers
> : don't farm.
> 
> I've just recently read that some did farm...we get corn and tomatoes
> from these Indian farmers (as well as a few other crops).  I'll
> get the reference ASAP.

No doubt, but who taught them?  Yes I do realize they at times developed
higher civilization.  Which adds all sorts of questions the liberals don't
like, and at the present I can't be bothered to formulate.
> 
> (The book even went so far as to say that the Indians SLECTED for
> bigger ears of corn...that the original "natural" corn cob was about
> the size of a head of wheat).
> 
> : ...
> : > I believe that large scale deforestation can have clamactic changes.
> : > 
> : > But I also believe the the deserts in the American southwest (and
the Sahara)
> : > are caused by the "Hadley Cels" : three convection cels above the Equator,
> : > and three below the equator.
> : > 
> : One flaw, the Sahara used to be known for its Birch Trees, too bad the
> : natives deforested it.
> 
> I know this happened in Isreal...I'll try to get some references on
> the Sahara (how long ago, current theories, etc.)
> 
> : > Where the cels move moist warm air up (at 0 and 60 degrees north and south
> : > latitudes), you get heavier precipitation.  This is because the air gets
> : cooler
> : > as it rises, and cooler air can't hold as much moisture.
> : > 
> : > Where the cels move the same cool (and now drier) air back down (at
30 degrees
> : > north and south latitude, and the poles), you tend to get much lighter
> : > precipitation.  This is because the air gets warmer as it lowers,
and warmer
> : > air can hold more moisture (coupled with the fact that the air had been
> : > already squeezed of moisture on it's way up).
> : > 
> : > The American desert south-west is at about 32 N latitude.  Egypt,
Libya, and
> : > Saudia Arabia are at about 30 N latitude.  South Australia is at about
> : > 30 degrees S latitude.
> : >
> : Flaws, South Australia still provides an abundance of vegetation.
> 
> Is it wet or dry (arid).  What type of vegitation?  Is it usable for
> unirrigated agriculture?

Unirrigated agriculture, if you had stated Northern Territory, you might
have fared better with your statement.
> 
> : Saudia
> : Arabias desert was caused by the poor farming techniques performed by the
> : Arabs.  Saudia Arabia used to be quite fertile, as was Libya.  Let me
> : explain, why did the Cattle farmers protest over having sheep in the
> : west?  Both sheep and goats eat the vegetation right down to the roots,
> : cattle do not.  Therefore greater skill is needed in keeping both sheep
> : and goats.  The Arabs obviously didn't realize this.  Which is why most of
> : the ME is a desert rather than the fertile grounds it once was.  Of course
> : the Arabs also did quite a lot of deforestation as well.
> 
> Again, not my strong point (Middle East history).  I'll check a few 
> references...
> 
> So, did you disagree with the "Hadley Cels" explanation of the
> American desert South West (at least as a greatly contributing factor)?
> 
Not out of hand, one thing that becomes pertinant however, is that once
the vegetation has been devastitated, it doesn't return easily.

> : > Now this is a VAST oversimplification (corialis (sp?) effects come
in to play
> : > if I remember right), but you get the idea.
> 
> : Are yes, but perhaps trees also provide the necessary criteria?
> 
> Don't know.  I guess all we have right now is speculation (suprise,
> suprise).  8)
> 
> : > : Quite feasible.  I've heard the propaganda of overcrowding, but
I've never
> : > : heard any proof to go with it.  Of course if we look at say the Asian
> : > : civilizations, then they would be correct.
> : > 
> : > I consider American cities overcrowded; at least some of the ones I've
> : visited:
> : So why has there been this demand or urbanisation rather than
> : ruralisation?
> 
> Until recently, the cities have been where the jobs are.  Centralization
> was needed in the machine age...with the coming of the computer age,
> this may change (I can actually do my work from anywhere in the world
> that gives me access to a modem).
> 
One has to ask why there was a need though...

Cailean.

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Subject: A joke to cheer up the boring Liberal posts of late.
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Abos = Australian Aborigines.

Qu. What did God tell the abos before he left?

Ans.  Don't do anything until I come back.

Probably the best joke of week however is Jeff Han's assertion that only
post-1965 texts are relevant.  One question I forgot to ask him was, if an
author wrote a book in 1964 and another in 1966, is the one in 1964
incorrect, whilst the other correct, or would they both be incorrect? 
Which is based on the theory that if the 1964 text is incorrect, then so
is the Author, therefore his 1966 text is also incorrect.  So shouldn't we
also have an age restriction as well, those born after 1965 are correct,
whilst those before are incorrect?  Therefore you won't have the above
contradiction.

If this is wrong, could you please state where the flaw lies, rather than
resorting to your superior intellectual safety (calling people original
names like: idiot and moron.)

Cailean.

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> In my last post when I wrote about taking Reuben and Mckinstry out in the
> woods and CORNHOLING the hell out of them, i forgot to mention Rev Ron.
> Bend over, Reverend, I'm gonna stick you now.

I can't speak for the others, but if you tried it on me I would simply
kill you.  

Cailean.

P.S Try as you might, I never made a death threat on you.

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> : supposed counterargument to my assertion on meteorology?  I've tried
> : coming up with them myself.  Here are some possibilities:
> 
> Why thank you!  (See also "American Indians caused the desert SW..."
> for the real discussion...)
> 
> : 1.  Egypt is a desert, how did it become a desert?  Even before
> : civilization came to the region, it was a desert.
> 
> : Good question.
> 
> Not my question, though.  Actually I had no question in this area.
> Just what I thought were better theories for the cause of the 
> desertification of the American Southwest (please see the "American 
> Indians caused..." thread).
>
I was bored, since I couldn't find your article, I started going through
some possibilities.
 
> But your post seems interesting, so let's go through it...
> 
> : As many archeologist point out, blacks were living there before
> : civilization came to the region (and were subsequently removed from the
> : area, as civilization came incredibly quickly.)  Therefore, if Egypt was a
> : fertile region then it is possible that the blacks destroyed what
> : vegetation there was.
> 
> Yes, it is possible.
> 
> : This could have happened because of a poor soil
> : layer (much like the Amazon rain forest), once the vegetation was gone,
> : there would be little that would allow vegetation to regain its strength. 
> : Once the trees were gone, it would seem unlikely that (because of osmosis)
> : that "rain" would have reestablished itself.  
> 
> : Of course Egypt could have always been a desert, which doesn't reject my
> : argument either.  The legends make mention that Mizraim (a grandson of
> : Noah) diverted the Nile from Libya into Egypt (a formidible task.)  Which
> : is why upper and lower Egypt was called Mizraim for centuries.  Once
> : irrigation had settled, then vegetation could be applied to those areas
> : covered by the Nile.  
> 
> : 2.  All right, how does it not reject your argument?
> 
> Why would I even ask this?  (I don't even know what the question is 
> trying to ask!)
>
Sorry, jumped the gun, I was talking about whether Egypt was always a desert.
 
> : If vegetation could not have grown there from the most ancient of times,
> : then it could not have gotten hold a latter time, unless some intervention
> : made it so.
> 
> Correct.  Going from "can't support" to "can support" implies change. 
> 
> : The desert in the USA, however is a different type of desert,
> : comparatively it is quite fertile, and has vegetation.
> 
> I don't know about it's fertility, but I do know that it does indeed have 
> some vegetation.
>
A comparison between most of Egypt (excepting the area around the Nile)
and the US desert.
 
> : Therefore it is an
> : indicator that the area could support vegetation.
> 
> It does support vegitation, so again, correct.
> 
> : Only some intervention
> : stopped it from being more productive.
> 
> Yup.  Rainfall.
> 
> : 3.  So why doesn't it become more prosperous?
> 
> Rainfall.  If the land in the desert Southwest is not irrigated,
> it supports "chapperel (sp?)" and "desert" type vegitation.  With
> irrigation it supports a vast assortment of vegitation.  We in California 
> even get the dubious honor of subsidizing farmers to grow RICE in 
> California by paying for part of their water.
> 
True, good irrigation will provide a better (or least the potential)
growing environment.  However if I'm mistaken, the desert does have "dry"
rivers, which would allow "wet" rivers to flow, should water become
available, ie., there is some irrigation anyway.

> : Without a large supply of well established trees, the process known as
> : osmosis becomes weak.  Therefore, the amount of persipitation in the
> : atmosphere would be lowered, therefore the "clouds" are less likely to be
> : formed, or at least made to "drop its load".
> 
> I thought that cloud formation MAINLY happens over the ocean.  Am I
> mistaken?
>
Yes.  Most of the ozone formation occurs over the ocean (due to plankton)
as well as most of the planets oxygen support.  One of ways to tell if you
are near land (apart of sea birds) is cloud formation.     
 
> : Mountains help this process
> : as well.  Mountains however cannot make clouds.
> 
> Again, in my reply I talk about the "rain shadow" effect.  Mountains
> don't push moisture into the air, but they can play a part in
> causing clouds to dump thier load of rain.
> 
I never accused you of being dumb, I was making sure you didn't think I
did (that mountains form clouds.)

> : 4.  Why cannot it not come from the oceans?
> 
> : As many a sailor will point out, in the middle of an ocean, there are no
> : clouds, only when one gets closer to land does cloud formation become
> : evident.
> 
> But that is where the atmosphere picks up most of it's moisture (or so I 
> thought).
> 
Then you would be wrong.  Admittedly coming from New Zealand and the
propaganda machine going non stop, you pick up this sort of thing
(Aotearoa -- the land of the long white cloud, instead of the name New
Zealand.)

Cailean.

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Subject: Re: ATTN Grego, where is this...
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> : 5.  Surely rivers help vegetation?
> 
> : Yes they do, rivers come down from mountains, which in turn need clouds to
> : make such transistion (even for snow.)
> 
> Yup, agreed.
> 
> : 6.  What if a large meteorite destroyed the vegetation rather than the
> : noble, at one with nature, peace loving, and hippy indigeoness people?
> 
> I get a big kick out of you sometimes.  8)
> I would have never even thought of this...

I was going through possibilities, I get asked all sorts of stupid
questions sometimes.
> 
> : Yes, that is a possibility.  Unfortunately, large meteorites also tend to
> : leave their presence for millenium.   Also, such a quick change does not
> : seem to pose too greater a difficulty for vegetation to recover from, as
> : "neighbouring" vegetation allow the area to recover,
> 
> yup, I just came back from Hawaii...talk about devistation, those lava 
> fields look like the "end of the world"...but plants are already starting 
> to take over.
> 
> : also a meteorite may
> : provide an abundance of minerals that plants may absorb.  As is witnessed
> : with volcanic eruptions, delibrate fires and so forth.
> 
> I don't think a meteorite would itself provide enough "minerals" to help 
> plant life in any measurable way...but that's just my opinion.
> 
Actually meteors can contain huge mineral wealth.  As a digression, it was
suggested the best way of mining titanium (titanium being very expensive
to extract.)

> : 7.  What if a large atmospherical change occured?
> 
> Stuff would happen?
> 
> : That would be felt all over the globe, and a global change would occur,
> : the various ice ages are an example of this phenomen.
> 
> Oky doky.
> 
> : 8.  Aha, got you, how did vegetation take hold after the last ice age?
> 
> Sheesh, when was the last time I ever said "Aha"?   8)
>
Taken from the argument sketch of Monty Python.
 
> : First off the last ice age peaked in 1492 A.D, and the globe has been
> : subsequently been getting warmer since,
> 
> Hmmmm, that seems EXTREMELY more recent than the last Ice Age I've ever 
> heard of.  Mabye we have different definitions of "Ice Age"?
>
Just something I like to point out to people, stuffs up their theories
half the time (global warming due to the increase of CO2 emission.)
 
> : however to answer your question in
> : the manner you wished:
> 
> Hehe.  It's kind of funny considering that you are asking these
> questions of yourself.  Actually it's rather interesting because I can 
> see smidgens of how you formulate arguments.
> 
Maybe, maybe not.  I'm a real bastard when it comes to arguments :)

> : If no vegetation could have grown in that time,
> : then no life would have taken place either.
> 
> Mabye vegitation would need longer to grow?  (Actually, you can safely 
> ignore this point because I'm not at all sure what you are saying by the 
> above).
> 
> : Also the thawing out process
> : would have allowed the vegetation to take root once more (lots of water.) 
> : One should also note that seeds can hibernate in the soil for centuries.
> 
> Yup.  This is what I think happens.  (Wait, am I supposed to be arguing 
> for you or against you?)
>
Actually I forgot one other point I was going to say, that was plants
hibernate in the cold (well most of them do.)
  
> : An example of this is in New Zealand, the native seeds are still there,
> : and if allowed to grow, will.  The conservation minded Maoris, in there
> : conservation hunting of Moas accidently burned out a lot of shrub land in
> : the central parts of the south islands in their attempts to count Moa
> : numbers.  They also forgot how to count past zero, so they had to kill
> : them all, to give an accurate tally.
> 
> 8)
> 
> : Being serious once more, the Maoris
> : wiped out this area out, it has not recovered, only by the ingenuity of
> : white farmers can they keep livestock there.  Yet the seeds are still
> : there, if a sufficient climate arose, they would grow.
> 
> Probably true (about the seeds at least).
>
Oh its reasonably well known that the Maoris lit fires to slaughter Moas
(got them out of the vegetation.)
 
> : 9.  You only hate the more "primitive" peoples, and are therefore, more
> : biased, you cannot give an accurate account.
> 
> Hmmmm, I've never argued this either.  But let's see how you handle your 
> question to yourself...
>
No, but it was one of these stupid statements I get every other day, the
lasted one is from Jeff Han and history.  At least he was honest in
telling me the minimum date he would accept of any text.
 
> : While I make no mask on my dislike of these peoples, your innate and
> : unfounded prejudice does not serve justice.  You can gather most of this
> : information from a biology course and a meteorological course.  The
> : reference to the last age of 1492, comes from many history books, for
> : example the text, Medieval Europe, A short history by Hollister makes
> : mention of it.
> 
> Hmmm, I'd like to see it.  (I'll file this reference away).

I consider a short, but accurate presentation of the medieval world of
Europe.  Jeff Han should like it, it was written after 1965.
> 
> : 10.  Silence.
> 
> Ooops, I mean "I am speachless".  There, was that good?

No, the typical liberal response, they go run away.  At least I can say
when I'm beaten, not like those cowards.
> 
> : Question for you Grego; was I close?
> 
> Not by a mile (ooops, I mean kilometer).  But it was entertaining.  8)
> 
As stated in part I, I was bored.  I was trying to come down to the level
of a bright liberal, whether I succeeded is a matter of debate.  Which is
why there were some dumb and stupid questions posed.  If I wanted to be
more accurate, I should have dodged the issue more, and ask really
irrelevant questions -- like, what year was this text written?

Cailean.

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Subject: Re: Indians caused the American desert SW (was Re: ATTN Grego)
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> : > : > >Aren't Indians nomads (at least in that time period?)
> : > : >
> : > : >   Even if they were, forcing people out of where they lived for that
> : > : > season/month/whatever just 'cause you're groovin' on something called
> : > : > Manifest Destiny doesn't make it right.
> : >
> : > : By what standard was it wrong?  The savages weren't doing anything
useful
> : > : with it anyway.
> : >
> : > 'Cept I guess living on it, and living off what it provided them.
> : > But hell, "savages" doesn't equal "people", does it?
> : >
> : They were using the entire area or was it just lying fallow?
> 
> If the Native Americans were indeed hunter/gatherers, then "the entire land"
> was where they got their food from.
> 
Most of the land was unused, as well as other lands being inefficiently used.

> Someone saying that he "deserves to have my car because I hardly ever
> use it" doesn't quite wash with me.
>
And?  Your car has no bearing on the nation's livelihood, however land can
be put to use.
 
> : > : > It was stealing, pure and
> : > : > simple.
> : >
> : > : So you have donoted your entire belongings to the Savages then? 
Otherwise
> : > : you are a thief, pure and simple.
> : >
> : > Nope.  Some of our ancestors were, though.  And murderers, and rapists.
> : > Do I feel guilty about it?  Of course not, it wasn't me that did the
> : > stealing, killing, and raping.
> : >
> : Bit of hypocrisy here isn't it.  Are you now saying that it's no longer
> : their land?  So why are you defending Indian "rights" and so forth?
> 
> Hypocrisy?  Why?  I'm being consistant (and a realist) when I say what I
> did.  Most of the people here own land because :
> 
>         1. We bought some from the Native Americans.
>         2. We bought some from the French who had earlier bought or stolen it
>                 from the Native Americans.
>         3. We bought some from the Mexicans who had earlier bought or
stolen it
>                 from the Native Americans.
>         4. We stole some from the Mexicans who had earlier bought or stolen it
>                 from the Native Americans.
>         5. We stole some from the Native Americans (easiest done by
killing them
>                 first, but putting them on reservations will do nicely).
> 
> And when I say "stole", I mean "take by force what wasn't ours to begin with".
> 
> Now if I was one of the ones that did the "stealing", then I am a thief.
> If I am the son of one of the ones that did the "stealing", then I am
> a son of a thief.  NOT a thief.  Where's the hypocrisy?
> 
I am assuming that like most liberals you support "people's rights," in
this case Indian's rights.  Especially in respect to land issues. 
Therefore the hypocrisy lies, not in whether you are the son of a thief,
but in the fact you want the government to give up land (or whomever),
whilst you don't.  The thought process "we should give them land, so long
as its not mine."

> As for saying it's no longer their land, yes, I am saying that.  I'm saying
> that the land now belongs to US.  If my great great great grandfather stole
> some land, and later sold parts of it to 12 different families (who KNEW it
> was stolen), I would say that those families should give it back (stolen
> property).  If those same families were able to keep the land for several
> generations, and sold the land to other families, who sold the land to other
> families it gets a bit muddier.  It's harder to show who the property was
> stolen from, and there are now many families who bought "their" land
> on good faith (ie practical issues as opposed to moral issues).
> 
> You also ask "So why are you defending Indian "rights" and so forth?"
> I don't remember ever saying anything about "rights" (except in
> questioning your alleged "right of conquest").  I think that you are
> reading too much into things.
>
Obviously you aren't most liberals, which asks me, what the hell are you
writing here for?
 
> To make it simple : I'm just calling a steal a steal.
> 
> :
> : > Saying it was "stealing, pure and simple" is the truth.  Suppose you had
> : > some acreage in the Sierra Nevadas that you use for hunting, fishing,
> : > and as a homestead.  And say I thought that your land would be better
> : > used for a paper mill.  And suppose I got a group of my friends and
> : > relatives to kick you off that land because I'd be making use of it
> : > while you're just letting it go to waste.  If we were determined enough,
> : > we'd take the land (with, I would gather, some casualties).  But the
> : > world would be a better place, because now more people would be
> : > getting the benefits of the land.  And beside, you and your family
> : > probably weren't even poeple...look at them, they were so stupid
> : > that they didn't even know how to use the land...
> : >
> : If you are trying to get a sympathy vote out of me this way, you're
> : barking up the wrong tree.  I'm nationalistic, petty personal pursuits
> : don't interest me.  Thus I would have no problem giving up such land for
> : the benefit of the nation (providing it does.)  Mainly because I would
> : never get into the above scenerio.  Non issue.
> 
> Who says I would ever want to get a sympathy vote out of you?
>
Then don't bother posing the above style of questions.
 
> Mabye this paragraph illustrates where we really differ.  You state that
> you are "nationalistic, petty personal pursuits don't interest me".
> I, on the other hand, am an indivualist (born and raised the 'merican
> way).  We'll probably end up agreeing to disagree.   8)
>
I was brought up on similar principles, I just decided to mature a bit more.  
> :
> : > : Right of conquest.
> : >
> : > So what is a "right"?  Something you're entitled to?
> : >
> : > If I mug you, and don't get caught, is that "right of conquest"?
> : > I had a "right" to your wallet?
> : >
> : Who says I'd let you get away with it?  Petty revenge is another topic
> : altogether...
> 
> Here, let me simplify for you:
> 
> If I want something that you have AND I can get away with taking it from
> you, does that mean I have a RIGHT to that thing?
> 
Actually I was using a Savage's argument.  Obviously you don't think they
are your equal.  The story goes (in New Zealand):  The Mori Oris (who were
the native people of the Chatham Islands, were basically butchered and
eaten by the conquering Maoris.  With the Waitangi Tribunal (were Maoris
go to get free land) the Mori Oris tried to get the same deal for the
Chatham Islands (actually the then Maori land), they were outright refused
on the above basis.  As they say, what is good for the goose is good for
the gander.

> :
> : > : >   Interesting how the Europeans kept right on stealing all the
land they
> : > : > could.  Was this person who stole from the fort maybe taking
what was his
> : > : > in the first place?  Wouldn't that be just wonderful, chopping off the
> : > : > head of some guy because he wanted his own stuff back.
> : > : >
> : > : So what things did the Indians possess that could be classed as valuable
> : > : back then?
> : >
> : > Their families, who just happend to live off that land.
> : >
> : The topic was not about land, but a valuable item, please try again.
> 
> Here, let me SIMPLIFY for you:
> 
> Stacia : "Interesting how the Europeans kept right on stealing all the
land..."
> You : "So what things did the Indians possess that could be classed as
valuable..."
> Me : "Their families, who just happend to live off that land."
> You : "The topic was not about land, but a valuable item"
> 
> Stacia was talking about land.  You asked what they had that was of value.
> I said their families (which lived off what the land provided them).  You then
> said that the topic wasn't about land, but something valuable.
> 
> Point 1: Stacia WAS in part talking about land.
> Point 2: I was only talking about land indirectly.
> Point 3: I was talking directly about the Natives' families, which although
> of little value to you was SURELY valuable to the Natives.
> 
> I can "please try again" if you would like.
> 
I was talking about Capt. John Smith decapitating an Indian thief.  Not
land issues, which is were you got confused.  The thief was stealing a
valuable item from the fort, its a bit hard for the thief to steal land
>from  the fort (unless the had some special and unique soil.)

> : > Ooops, forgot, they weren't real people (what species were they again?)
> : >
> : > : Unlike savages, europeans tend to stop when it is pointed out to them.
> : > : Take for example wild bird populations.  Unlike the savage Maori,
European
> : > : New Zealanders actually try and preserve bird populations.
> : >
> : > I'll agree with that...it just took so damn long for them to get things
> : > pointed out to them, eh?
> : >
> : > And those damn savages, killing off the bison every 20 or so years,
> : > needing to bio-engineer new ones so that they could live off them
> : > for several thousand years...
> : >
> : Bizarre.
> 
> Point being that the American Indians DIDN'T have a way to bioengineer
> new species, so the ones found in large numbers (such as the bison) at the
> dawn of European intervention must have "survived the onslaught of those
> nature ravaging savages" quite nicely.
> 
The bison obviously were superior to the indians.
> : >
> : > : >   It's been a long, long time and the buffalo are still a bit of a
> : > : > rarity.  They are most common in the region I live in, and you have
> : > : > to go
> : > : > out of your way to see them.
> : > : >
> : > : Yet they will eventually increase, so long as the other races
don't get to
> : > : numerous (and eat them.)
> : >
> : > So, here's some questions for you:
> : >
> : > How many bison are ther now?
> : >
> : Wouldn't have a clue.
> 
> : > How many will there be in 100 years (assuming European guardianship)?
> : >
> : Without the Usury monster, much larger.
> 
> May I steal a quote from you?
> 
> "Bizarre."

It is well known that deforestation of a countries forests, destruction of
their resources go to paying their debts to international banks.  The
Asian bank is probably the best known example of it (I had field day with
liberals at the time the Asian Bank came to Auckland.)
> 
> :
> : > How many were there just befor the Europeans started visiting America
> : > (in other words, under the Indian menace)?
> : >
> : Wouldn't have a clue.
> :
> : > Ballpark, order of magnitude answers would do.  And mabye you could also
> : > answer these questions about the flocks of passenger pigeons that used to
> : > darken the skys when europeans first settled the new world, but are now
> : > extinct.  "It just took so damn long for them to get things pointed out to
> : > them"?
> 
> Here, let me SIMPLIFY FOR YOU:
> 
> Do you think that the bison in North America will EVER reach the numbers that
> they once had prior to European intervention?
> 
They could, circumstances have to change.  See my last statement.
> : >
> : > : > >Perhaps there is a racial difference?  Why couldn't they be more
> : > : > >productive and use horticultural or agricultural techniques?
> : > : >
> : > : >   You are saying they didn't?  How could they have survived at all if
> : > : > they had no ability to successfully hunt or farm?
> : >
> : > : Tell as about this farming Stacia.
> : >
> : > I don't know if they did or didn't farm.  Do you?
> : >
> : It's sarcasm.  Stacia made the remark.
> 
> You : "Why couldn't they be more productive and use horticultural or
> agricultural techniques?"
> 
> Hmmm, sounds like you also made the remark (unless "farming" doesn't
> equal "use horticultural or agricultural techniques").
> 
Please tell me about the Indians farming techniques, hunting and gatherers
don't farm.  I hope you realize this, maybe then you can understand my
"dig" at Stacia.
> : >
> : > : > They lived in the area
> : > : > for a long time, Colin;  some European with visions of grandeur and
> : > : > racist opinions hops in and immediately assesses the situation -- no
> : > : > wonder he was wrong.  Wasn't Smith writing to the Queen, making
arguments
> : > : > to justify taking the land?
> : > : >
> : > : So?
> : >
> : > So it's easier to justify taking the land if it's "for the good of the
> : > plants and animals".
> : >
> : Howabout the nation?
> 
> Part 1:
> 
> Stacia was adressing why someone would "doctor the truth a little" about
> the Indians' ecology practices.  You said "So?".  I tried to simplify
> it for you.  Then you started a little topic drift...

Capt. John Smith, the evil governor that he was, didn't like Indians. 
Simple, the entire topic was drifted away by Stacia.  Remember the
original thread "Captain John Smith & Pocachontas"?  I commented that the
story is propaganda for the promotion of interacial marriage, whilst
attempting to prove that Capt. John Smith didn't like Indians, therefore
this supposed romance is complete and utter bullshit.
> 
> Part 2:
> 
> Yes, it's also easier to kick people off their land if you can convince
> your kinsman and superiors that it's for the good of the nation.
> Agreed.
> 
> : > : >
> : > : > >> They'd lived in that area for
> : > : > >> centuries, if I recall correctly.  If they were depleting the
natural
> : > : > >> wildlife, they would have done it a long time before 1608.
> : > : > >>
> : > : > >They lived in an incredibly large area that could support their
> : > : > >devastating eating habits.
> : > : >
> : > : >   Then it wasn't devastating.  If the land supports you, Colin, it is
> : > : > *not* devastating.
> : > : >
> : > : So why was the west a desert?
> : >
> : > Hmmm, for the same reason that most, if not all deserts are considered
> : > deserts:
> : >
> : > VERY LITTLE RAINFALL.
> : >
> : Perhaps you should take a course in meteorology.  Or perhaps to some of
> : the arguments of "greenies" on the Amazon forest getting butchered.  Which
> : raises another point, why does it rain more in the Amazon forest than in
> : the western desert?  The answer is in meteorology.
> 
> Hmmm, I took a some courses in college that included a small spattering
> of atmospheric sciences.
> 
> I believe that large scale deforestation can have clamactic changes.
> 
> But I also believe the the deserts in the American southwest (and the Sahara)
> are caused by the "Hadley Cels" : three convection cels above the Equator,
> and three below the equator.
> 
One flaw, the Sahara used to be known for its Birch Trees, too bad the
natives deforested it.

> Where the cels move moist warm air up (at 0 and 60 degrees north and south
> latitudes), you get heavier precipitation.  This is because the air gets
cooler
> as it rises, and cooler air can't hold as much moisture.
> 
> Where the cels move the same cool (and now drier) air back down (at 30 degrees
> north and south latitude, and the poles), you tend to get much lighter
> precipitation.  This is because the air gets warmer as it lowers, and warmer
> air can hold more moisture (coupled with the fact that the air had been
> already squeezed of moisture on it's way up).
> 
> The American desert south-west is at about 32 N latitude.  Egypt, Libya, and
> Saudia Arabia are at about 30 N latitude.  South Australia is at about
> 30 degrees S latitude.
>
Flaws, South Australia still provides an abundance of vegetation.  Saudia
Arabias desert was caused by the poor farming techniques performed by the
Arabs.  Saudia Arabia used to be quite fertile, as was Libya.  Let me
explain, why did the Cattle farmers protest over having sheep in the
west?  Both sheep and goats eat the vegetation right down to the roots,
cattle do not.  Therefore greater skill is needed in keeping both sheep
and goats.  The Arabs obviously didn't realize this.  Which is why most of
the ME is a desert rather than the fertile grounds it once was.  Of course
the Arabs also did quite a lot of deforestation as well.
 
> We can also add the "rain shadow" effect : when air is forced up
> by mountain ranges, the air cools and dumps a good degree of it's moisture
> (as rain, etc.) on that side of the mountain range.  When the air goes
> back down the other side, it gets warmer and is drier (drier because again,
> it's already been wrung out on the other side of the range, and because warm
> air can hold more moisture).
> 
> One example is Death Valley, on the eastern side of the Sierra Nevadas (the
> clouds blow in from the west).  Another is the Hawaiian island chain, on
> the south west side of each of the islands (volcanic mountains, the clouds
> blow in from the north east).
> 
> Now this is a VAST oversimplification (corialis (sp?) effects come in to play
> if I remember right), but you get the idea.
> 
Are yes, but perhaps trees also provide the necessary criteria?

> : > As for "Compare western culture with indian culture.  Which could
support the
> : > largest population per square foot?", does that make western culture
better?
> : > We can get even closer to the brink of overpopulation and crowding through
> : > western culture?
> : >
> : Quite feasible.  I've heard the propaganda of overcrowding, but I've never
> : heard any proof to go with it.  Of course if we look at say the Asian
> : civilizations, then they would be correct.
> 
> I consider American cities overcrowded; at least some of the ones I've
visited:
> 
>         Boston
>         Los Angeles
>         San Francisco
>         San Diego
>         Newark
>         Miami
>
So why has there been this demand or urbanisation rather than
ruralisation?  Also whites (a generalisation) tend to live in a high
standard of living, compared to non whites.  The non whites provide the
overcrowding, if removed, the city could handle even greater population
with reasonable wealth (yes I realize there is going to be poor people)
and standard of living.  Either that or ruralisation might become
profitable again.
 
Cailean.

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> : > Someone saying that he "deserves to have my car because I hardly ever
> : > use it" doesn't quite wash with me.
> : >
> : And?  Your car has no bearing on the nation's livelihood, however land can
> : be put to use.
> 
> Unless someone decides that my car is.  Or my house.  Or my wife.

I somehow doubt it could be justified, especially your wife.
> 
> Now if I'm a member of that nation, then I am giving agreement (in
> some form) to take these things in a national emergency.
> 
> But if I'm not a member, then it's stealing (in the small scale),
> or anexing (in the large scale).  Or "manifest destiny" if the
> robber gets to right the histroy books.   ;)
> 
> : > Hypocrisy?  Why?  I'm being consistant (and a realist) when I say what I
> : > did.  Most of the people here own land because :
> : > ...
> : > And when I say "stole", I mean "take by force what wasn't ours to
begin with".
> : > 
> : > Now if I was one of the ones that did the "stealing", then I am a thief.
> : > If I am the son of one of the ones that did the "stealing", then I am
> : > a son of a thief.  NOT a thief.  Where's the hypocrisy?
> : > 
> : I am assuming that like most liberals you support "people's rights," in
> : this case Indian's rights.
> 
> Bad assumption.  I'm a bad ol' moderate semi-libertarian*.  As such,
> I believe that all people have a right to do whatever they want,
> as long as they don't impinge on the rights of others.  I also believe
> that people SHOULD have the right to property, the right to free
> speech, the right to any religion...probably entrenched in my
> American cluture (and you WPer's thought that we didn't share
> the same culture because I was brown of skin...)  8)
> 
> (* I'm allowed to be a non-liberal on this NG because I'm non-white)  8)
> 
> : Especially in respect to land issues. 
> 
> Right to property.
> 
I have no problems with property rights.  Just Indians.

> : Obviously you aren't most liberals, which asks me, what the hell are you
> : writing here for?
> 
> I'm a "person of color" who likes the boundaries of the US just the
> way they are.  Mabye you could have a white homeland in Europe?  Or
> NZ?   8)
Maybe...  Though I'm no fan of New Zealand, too many useless liberals.
> 
> : > Mabye this paragraph illustrates where we really differ.  You state that
> : > you are "nationalistic, petty personal pursuits don't interest me".
> : > I, on the other hand, am an indivualist (born and raised the 'merican
> : > way).  We'll probably end up agreeing to disagree.   8)
> : >
> : I was brought up on similar principles, I just decided to mature a bit
more.  
> 
> 8)
> 
> Call me young at heart.

So you admit your irresponsible?
> 
> : > : > : Right of conquest.
> : > If I want something that you have AND I can get away with taking it from
> : > you, does that mean I have a RIGHT to that thing?
> : > 
> : Actually I was using a Savage's argument.  Obviously you don't think they
> : are your equal.
> 
> Yup.  Some could be "better" than me, some could be "worse".  You
> wouldn't want me to stereotype, now would you?
> 
> : The story goes (in New Zealand):  The Mori Oris (who were
> : the native people of the Chatham Islands, were basically butchered and
> : eaten by the conquering Maoris.  With the Waitangi Tribunal (were Maoris
> : go to get free land) the Mori Oris tried to get the same deal for the
> : Chatham Islands (actually the then Maori land), they were outright refused
> : on the above basis.  As they say, what is good for the goose is good for
> : the gander.
> 
> I'm not exactly clear on "the above basis".  Who took the land from whom,
> in what order, and for how long?
> 
Right of conquest, you know "using a Savage's argument"?

> : > Point being that the American Indians DIDN'T have a way to bioengineer
> : > new species, so the ones found in large numbers (such as the bison) at the
> : > dawn of European intervention must have "survived the onslaught of those
> : > nature ravaging savages" quite nicely.
> : > 
> : The bison obviously were superior to the indians.
> 
> Reason being?
>
I was amusing myself, bison were powerful beasts, they can attack, and
they can stampede through a bunch of Indians.  Obviously a prey taken with
caution.
 ...
> : Please tell me about the Indians farming techniques, hunting and gatherers
> : don't farm.
> 
> I've just recently read that some did farm...we get corn and tomatoes
> from these Indian farmers (as well as a few other crops).  I'll
> get the reference ASAP.

No doubt, but who taught them?  Yes I do realize they at times developed
higher civilization.  Which adds all sorts of questions the liberals don't
like, and at the present I can't be bothered to formulate.
> 
> (The book even went so far as to say that the Indians SLECTED for
> bigger ears of corn...that the original "natural" corn cob was about
> the size of a head of wheat).
> 
> : ...
> : > I believe that large scale deforestation can have clamactic changes.
> : > 
> : > But I also believe the the deserts in the American southwest (and
the Sahara)
> : > are caused by the "Hadley Cels" : three convection cels above the Equator,
> : > and three below the equator.
> : > 
> : One flaw, the Sahara used to be known for its Birch Trees, too bad the
> : natives deforested it.
> 
> I know this happened in Isreal...I'll try to get some references on
> the Sahara (how long ago, current theories, etc.)
> 
> : > Where the cels move moist warm air up (at 0 and 60 degrees north and south
> : > latitudes), you get heavier precipitation.  This is because the air gets
> : cooler
> : > as it rises, and cooler air can't hold as much moisture.
> : > 
> : > Where the cels move the same cool (and now drier) air back down (at
30 degrees
> : > north and south latitude, and the poles), you tend to get much lighter
> : > precipitation.  This is because the air gets warmer as it lowers,
and warmer
> : > air can hold more moisture (coupled with the fact that the air had been
> : > already squeezed of moisture on it's way up).
> : > 
> : > The American desert south-west is at about 32 N latitude.  Egypt,
Libya, and
> : > Saudia Arabia are at about 30 N latitude.  South Australia is at about
> : > 30 degrees S latitude.
> : >
> : Flaws, South Australia still provides an abundance of vegetation.
> 
> Is it wet or dry (arid).  What type of vegitation?  Is it usable for
> unirrigated agriculture?

Unirrigated agriculture, if you had stated Northern Territory, you might
have fared better with your statement.
> 
> : Saudia
> : Arabias desert was caused by the poor farming techniques performed by the
> : Arabs.  Saudia Arabia used to be quite fertile, as was Libya.  Let me
> : explain, why did the Cattle farmers protest over having sheep in the
> : west?  Both sheep and goats eat the vegetation right down to the roots,
> : cattle do not.  Therefore greater skill is needed in keeping both sheep
> : and goats.  The Arabs obviously didn't realize this.  Which is why most of
> : the ME is a desert rather than the fertile grounds it once was.  Of course
> : the Arabs also did quite a lot of deforestation as well.
> 
> Again, not my strong point (Middle East history).  I'll check a few 
> references...
> 
> So, did you disagree with the "Hadley Cels" explanation of the
> American desert South West (at least as a greatly contributing factor)?
> 
Not out of hand, one thing that becomes pertinant however, is that once
the vegetation has been devastitated, it doesn't return easily.

> : > Now this is a VAST oversimplification (corialis (sp?) effects come
in to play
> : > if I remember right), but you get the idea.
> 
> : Are yes, but perhaps trees also provide the necessary criteria?
> 
> Don't know.  I guess all we have right now is speculation (suprise,
> suprise).  8)
> 
> : > : Quite feasible.  I've heard the propaganda of overcrowding, but
I've never
> : > : heard any proof to go with it.  Of course if we look at say the Asian
> : > : civilizations, then they would be correct.
> : > 
> : > I consider American cities overcrowded; at least some of the ones I've
> : visited:
> : So why has there been this demand or urbanisation rather than
> : ruralisation?
> 
> Until recently, the cities have been where the jobs are.  Centralization
> was needed in the machine age...with the coming of the computer age,
> this may change (I can actually do my work from anywhere in the world
> that gives me access to a modem).
> 
One has to ask why there was a need though...

Cailean.

-- 
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> : P.S Has Mike started his discourse on the history of WWIII yet?  Please
> : keep me notified on any such development.
> 
> 
>   So, Colon, best thing you can attack me on is a typo?
> 
>   PATH-ETIC!

Didn't I state I would go easy on you Mike?  I just used a liberal
argument against you.  One you've used on me yourself.  No you know how
weak and pathetic this style of debating is, we can expect you never to
use it again right?

I fully agree with you that it was pathetic, yet your compatriots expect
me to take them seriously about it.
> 
>   Tell me how the UN banned the Protocols again, liar!
> 
It seemss you are stuck in a loop Mike.  I've already taken it back.

> Mike "You figured out which end of the sheep to use yet?" Beebe

No, could you please tell me which end you use?

Cailean.

-- 
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> >It's a bit hard to take you seriously, since you like to criticise
> other
> >peoples 
> 
> people's
> 
> >spelling mistakes and you make them yourself.  Remind me never to
> >hire you as my proofreader,
> 
> proof-reader
> 
> > bonehead.  All this gibberish you wrote, I
> >simply cannot understand it, you can't spell therefore your own
> statements
> >are pure crap.  You are such an embarrassment to the pedantic class
> of
> >liberals, bonehead.  Could you please not try to demonstrate your
> superior
> >spelling ability again?  
> >
> >People who live in glasshouses 
> 
> glass houses
> 
> >shouldn't throw stones.
> >
> >For those that came in late: Jeanne made this statement that if
> literacy,
> >spelling and grammar are signs of intelligence then those that
> can't are
> >boneheads.  Since she has made a fuss on
> 
> 
> about
> 
> >spelling with a WWW page,
> >therefore, by her own logic, she is a bonehead.  Congragulations go
> to                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Jeanne, a non racist, 
> 
> non-racist
> 
> >racist (her own arguments say that negroes are
> >boneheads as well.)
> >
What a lousy proofreader d.A, I'll hire somebody else next time. 

Cailean.

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> You forgot Congratulations.
>  
> Catching, isn't it?
> And SO easy to do.
>  
> Why is it that illiteracy and racism seem to go together so nicely?
>  
> Sara

I suppose its like stupidity and liberalism seem to go together so
nicely.  Pedantic people can only offer spelling mistakes, successful
people normally can't spell (they hire somebody else to do it.) Take a
Doctor's prescription as an example.

Cailean.

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> You forgot Congratulations.
>  
> Catching, isn't it?
> And SO easy to do.
>  
> Why is it that illiteracy and racism seem to go together so nicely?
>  
> Sara

I suppose its like stupidity and liberalism seem to go together so
nicely.  Pedantic people can only offer spelling mistakes, successful
people normally can't spell (they hire somebody else to do it.) Take a
Doctor's prescription as an example.

Cailean.

-- 
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> You forgot Congratulations.
>  
> Catching, isn't it?
> And SO easy to do.
>  
> Why is it that illiteracy and racism seem to go together so nicely?
>  
> Sara

I suppose its like stupidity and liberalism seem to go together so
nicely.  Pedantic people can only offer spelling mistakes, successful
people normally can't spell (they hire somebody else to do it.) Take a
Doctor's prescription as an example.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
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> Excuse me? Colon, have you forgotten that I archive my posts? Damn it, I
> put you my killfile collection the last time you "yawned off" in hopes
> that I'd never have to read any more of your bullshit. Why did you have to
> flat-out lie about what I wrote? For the record, I am pasting the post
> that will show what a lying bonehead YOU really are. BTW, the word is
> spelled 'congratulations,' Mr. Studier of Fourth Year Graduate Textbooks.
> 
Obviously you have a lousy killfile.

> Here it is folks:
>
> How's this for an answer: If literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of
> intelligence, then you are a bonehead; but if literacy, spelling and
> grammar are not signs of intelligence, then you are an uncaring slob. You
> fail either way, Colin! Is this the answer you were expecting?
>
And there we have it, no lying by Jeannie.  You see Jeannie, you implied
that if literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of intelligence; then
those that can't are a bonehead.  You used me as an example.  Therefore, I
take it fully within my right to quote you. 

Cailean.

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> : > Actually Joe, I typed S=HUMAN POPULATION GENETICS on the University of
> : > Auckland's AUCAT (S= subject heading.)  Guess how many titles there were?
> : > 
> : > Around 50.  So please, please lose the arrogance, or you might have to eat
> : > humble pie. The science does exist, including one title on the Genetics of
> : > Jews.
> 
>         50 books, eh?  What does this prove?  You have NO idea what these
> books are about, you have merely checked that they are indeed about 
> population genetics.  I daresay that they will agree with our position,
> not yours.  Or do any of them support you?
>         Note that any books from before the discovery of DNA do NOT count.
> 
>         Also note that I did not say that the science of population 
> genetics did not exist.  I said that a scientific method for determining
> 'Whiteness' did not exist.  You still have not provided ANY evidence 
> whatsoever to back your claim.
> 
What a load of crap, white skin versus black skin has long since been
established, it is but one example.  One my my replies to Jeffrey makes
mention of this fact.

Sun, 10 Sep 1995 11:33:50 AM:
"Another reference from the Encyclopedia Brittanica (1990)
vol. 19 pp 724, Genetics of Race and Species,"

"The major human races are separated by their most readily recognized
characteristics, such as skin colour, body size, and facial morphology."

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : > And out of 50 references, McKinstry could not find one that explained how
> : > "white DNA" differs from "non-white DNA".
> : Okay Jeffrey.  Another reference from the Encyclopedia Brittanica (1990)
> 
> : "The Geneticist Curt Stern defined a race as a group more or less isolated
> : geograhically or culturally who share a common gene pool and who,
> : statistically, are somewhat different at some loci from other
> : populations."
> 
> : I wonder what a common gene pool might be?
> 
> "...STATISTICALLY, are SOMEWHAT different at SOME loci from other 
> populations."
> 
> OK, SOME loci are SOMEWHAT different (and only STATISTICALLY, implying only
> measured as a group).
> 
> That still means that SOME European individuals will test as non-European
> (false negatives) while SOME non-Europeans will test as European (false
> positives).
> 
If you are right, there can always be a string of tests, one of them DNA.

> : "Race differences are more often quantitive than qualitative; racially
> : distinct populations of a species differ usually in the frequency of
> : certain genes rather than the presence or absence of certain genes."
> 
> "...distinct POPULATIONS of a species differ usually in the FREQUENCY
> of certain genes RATHER THAN THE PRESENCE OR ABSENCE OF CERTAIN
> GENES."
> 
> Again, they are talking about *populations*, NOT *individuals*.
> 
> Individuals can have a *presence or absence of certain genes*...
> But your quote says that race differences usually(*) differ in
> the *frequencies* of certain genes...Individuals don't have
> gene *frequencies*, populations do.
> 
> (* It can be argued that "*usually" means that presence or absence
> of certain genes MAY be involved, but is not the main criterion)
> 
> : "Human races differ certainly in many genetic traits, not in blood groups
> : alone." 
> 
> Again, "races" is used in a population sense.  Saying that a member
> of the "black" race has a different blood type than a member of
> the "white" race is false, unless ALL "blacks" share ABSOLUTELY NO
> blood types with ALL "whites".
>
Various Sanguninologists will point out the Negroes have a different blood
palette shape to Europeans.
 
> : "The major human races are separated by their most readily recognized
> : characteristics, such as skin colour, body size, and facial morphology."
> 
> Again, in a population sense.  There have been a few tests posted that
> are supposed to indicate Aryanness...but have there been any studies
> showing the degree of false positives (non-Aryans testing as Aryans)
> and false negatives (Aryans testing as non-Aryans)?
> 
> The more you restrict the test to exclude non-Aryans, the more likely
> you are to exclude some real Aryans.  This is true of ANY classification
> scheme.
> 
> : Basically stating there are genetic differences between the races,
> : therefore a test can obviously be determined.
> 
> Again, you won't get a yes or no answer.  With ANY test that's designed
> for populations, you've got some chance of rejecting individuals that
> you shouldn't, and accepting some individuals that you shouldn't.
> 
> : I forgot to record the
> : reference to a mixed raced individual, it basically stated that it was
> : somewhere in between both parents, therefore a difference is again noted.
> 
> That's the whole point.  With the exception of identical twins, EVERYONE
> is genetically different (to some degree) than everyone else.  EVERYONE
> is genetically identical (to a large degree) to everyone else.

It wasn't the point I was making, it stated that the offspring (it also
uses individual) was somewhere between both parents -- this is in relation
to mixed parents.  Which would indicate the boundaries of either race had
been crossed over into producing a mulatto baby.

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >Hey Cry-Beeby, if your bird-brain mind can remember that far back, someone
> >else said I was 20 years of age.  I corrected it by making it known I am
> >19.
> 
> That figures.  You don't even type like a grownup.
> 
What type of reply is this Rosenberg?  Is there some special way age
groups type on a typewriter/wordprocessor/computer?  And how do you know
Ron doesn't type like a 40 year old?  Surely it wouldn't be that difficult
learn these special typing rituals, would it?  Is there some secret Jewish
society that specializes in typing, like the Freemasons do with
handshakes, that you haven't told us about?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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>      Many years ago, I didn't believe in a liberal media bias.  Now, I 
> do.  Republicans are always challenged on their views while whatever 
> Democrats say, esp. liberals, gets reported without any challenge.
>      When liberal Democrats said Republicans wanted to "take food out of 
> the mouths of children", the media reported it.  When liberal Democrats 
> said the Republicans wanted to declare a "war on the poor", the media 
> reported it.  Any challenge?  No.
>      The media doesn't report the news anymore.  They tell us what they 
> want US to hear.  And that is not journalism, it's commentary.  

An old aquintance of mine (and no longer, unfortunately), who is one of
New Zealand's top journalists, stated "It is considered good journalism
for the journalist to add his or her opinion to the story."  Which about
sums up the media.  

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
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> >Hey Cry-Beeby, if your bird-brain mind can remember that far back, someone
> >else said I was 20 years of age.  I corrected it by making it known I am
> >19.
> 
> That figures.  You don't even type like a grownup.
> 
What type of reply is this Rosenberg?  Is there some special way age
groups type on a typewriter/wordprocessor/computer?  And how do you know
Ron doesn't type like a 40 year old?  Surely it wouldn't be that difficult
learn these special typing rituals, would it?  Is there some secret Jewish
society that specializes in typing, like the Freemasons do with
handshakes, that you haven't told us about?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
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>      Many years ago, I didn't believe in a liberal media bias.  Now, I 
> do.  Republicans are always challenged on their views while whatever 
> Democrats say, esp. liberals, gets reported without any challenge.
>      When liberal Democrats said Republicans wanted to "take food out of 
> the mouths of children", the media reported it.  When liberal Democrats 
> said the Republicans wanted to declare a "war on the poor", the media 
> reported it.  Any challenge?  No.
>      The media doesn't report the news anymore.  They tell us what they 
> want US to hear.  And that is not journalism, it's commentary.  

An old aquintance of mine (and no longer, unfortunately), who is one of
New Zealand's top journalists, stated "It is considered good journalism
for the journalist to add his or her opinion to the story."  Which about
sums up the media.  

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
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In article <434qbf$q1b@access5.digex.net>, mstein@access5.digex.net
(Michael P. Stein) wrote:

> In article ,
> McKinstry  wrote:
> >> > Spain did become the most powerful for a while.  You can refute this if
> >> > you wish, not that any historian with his salt would back you.
> >> 
> >> You are ignorant, old boy!  The Spanish navy (la Armada espanola) was
> >> decimated in 1588 (in home waters, no less) completely ending its primacy
> >> in the Atlantic... and the Mediterranean.  The Spanish were also were
> >> driven out of the entirety of British North America and existed south of
> >> there, and in the west of the present-day United States, only because the
> >> English weren't interested.  After the 1588, inflation at home made a
> >> shambles of the Spanish economy.   
> >> 
> >Did I say they stayed powerful?  
> 
>     Of course, by the same token, the poster to whom Colin originally
> responded never denied that Spain became powerful; the point was that
> Spain did not long enjoy that wonderful blessing they were supposed to
> have earned (according to Ben "Lie for Christ" Johnson) by kicking out the
> Jews.  Whether Colin was being deliberately disingenuous or was just 
> displaying his typical poor reading comprehension I cannot say.
> 
I'm not Ben Johnson, so why should I have to answer his questions?  This
seems to be a current trend.  First Adam Krim, now Jim, who is the next
Jew that wants me to answer one of Ben's questions?  You?  First off, I
have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, I'm not ignorant of
Spanish history, but I wouldn't call myself an expert.  Yes, I realize
that Spain stuffed up, they are but one of many countries to go down the
gurgler when it comes to miscegenation.  And they did miscegenate in
today's Latin America.  Spain also exiled the Jews (except for converts),
so why is this being disputed?  Do you Jews realize who the chief
Inquisitors were, and say proudly to Ben, see we weren't exiled or
something? 
> 
> >Who gives a shit what you think? You're just some nobody Jew.  If you
> >rated I might consider what you just wrote, but since you don't, I won't.
> 
>     Tsk, tsk.  No wit or style at all in this one.  Really, Colin, I've
> heard better insults from my Rice Krispies, and that's _before_ I pour on
> the milk.  What you wrote above sounds rather like the childish outburst
> of a sore loser. 
> 
True, still it aggravates Jim (who is a nobody), which was my purpose.  He
has this self inflated opinion about himself that what he says, I or
anybody else should consider.  Which is about the most ridiculous thing
ever stated (only superceded by Jeff Han's remarks about pre-1965 books)
in any of the newsgroups I've read.  Of course your Jewish compatriot Sara
is the best except that was on email.  Her answer to multiculturalism was
not to think too much.  Bummer for anyone wishing to succeed.  I'd love to
here more of Sara's wisdom, it's a pity she has resorted to only
correcting spelling (probably to illustrate that one doesn't need to
think.)

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
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There seems to be some dispute over whether a certain book of mine exists,
namely: Medieval Europe A Short History by Charles Warren Hollister, a
reasonably famous historian.  Whether the name is misspelt by the accuser
when he typed this name into the Library of Congress and AUCAT Australia,
or I've got the title wrong is irrelevant.  This accuser has done great
injustice by suggesting that Charles Warren Hollister is a "fringe"
historian.  It could be that this accuser, who has been repeatly warned,
is trying to appear intellectual by being pedantic.  Now he has once again
made himself into a pratting fool.  As for the book itself, the accuser
has once again blundered, this so called fringe text is still one of the
proscribed texts for HIST 101 at the University of Otago.   Whether the
accuser has the ability to apologise before a crowd has yet to be
determined, he should at least find Charles Warren Hollister and make a
formal apology.

I would also like to bring to the accuser's attention the book The History
and Geography of Human Genes (1993) by Cavalli-Sporza, Menozzi, and
Piazza.  I admit first hand that I have only skim-read this weighty tome,
however it soon becomes apparent that the white races are segregated from
the rest of non-whites by the various charts they offer.

To another accuser who has suggested that texts before 1965 are suspect
due to whig history, how does this person know that texts after 1965 are
not also subject to whig history?  As I have tried to point out to this
accuser (unsuccessfully) the further you go back, the more accurate one
can be.  Quoting directly from Plato, is better than quoting from a quote
of a quote of a quote...which he fails to realize.  To make this point
clearer, most of the current texts written about WWI & WWII are scoffed at
by RSA members (Returned Services Association), seeing as they were there,
as some of them actually gave orders, were part of intelligence and so
forth, you would expect them to know more about the subject than these
current authors.  Yet this accuser would have me believe that a book
written last year by a post graduate would know more about a certain
subject, than those that were in that subject.  Liberals are an eternal
fascination.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
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In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Les Griswold) wrote:

> It really gets me laughing when I see the liberals insisting that EVERYONE
> must be as deviant as they are.  Ponder, for example, this little gem from
> alt.sex.fetish.feet:
> 
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>       ^^^^^^^^^^^
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> Does anyone PLEASE have any stories or news about pictures of the 
> bare feet of the beautiful girls of TLC?? I'd give anything to get 
> together with those wonderful women backstage after a show, take 
> their shoes off and lick their feet and suck their toes... I bet their feet 
> are all beautiful, especially Lisa's!
> 
> eB
> 
> Need I say more?  I'll bet that cruising the alt.sex boards would net
> anyone a LOT of liberal names.  Then again, most of them are probably
> discreet enough to either use other accounts or the anon service, or to remain
> lurkers.

Yes, evil Beavis must be an upstanding citizen of the liberal community. 
We have a confession from Jeff Han that he reads alt.sex.sheep.  So one
wonders where liberal depravity will end?

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: ATTN Grego, where is this...
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> : > I thought that cloud formation MAINLY happens over the ocean.  Am I
> : > mistaken?
> : >
> : Yes.  Most of the ozone formation occurs over the ocean (due to plankton)
> : as well as most of the planets oxygen support.  One of ways to tell if you
> : are near land (apart of sea birds) is cloud formation.     
> 
> Of topic, but I'm pretty sure that ozone is created in the upper atmosphere
> above both land and ocean.  (I'll look it up, but again, this is off topic).
> Also, I would gather that most of the ozone is generated in the upper
> atmosphere above OCEAN, just because there is more ocean surface area
> than land surface area.  8)
> 
Sorry for not being 100% specific, then again have you ever noticed the
occasional electrical smell on the ocean (ie., ozone)?  True, off topic.

> Agreed, oxygen through ocean plankton.
> 
> I'll try to get more info on cloud formation over land vs. ocean, etc.
> 
> : > : As many a sailor will point out, in the middle of an ocean, there are no
> : > : clouds, only when one gets closer to land does cloud formation become
> : > : evident.
> : > 
> : > But that is where the atmosphere picks up most of it's moisture (or so I 
> : > thought).
> : > 
> : Then you would be wrong.
> 
> Again, I'll look for more info.
> 
>         - Grego

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: What liberals need their big fingers for
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>         Arguing their case:
> 
>                                                      
>                              _____ /^^^\ _____      
>                             / ----| -o- |---- \          
>                            /_\\   (_ O _)   //_\       
>                           //_______ | |________\\       
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>                                    (. .)               
>                                    | . |               
>                                    ||Y||           
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>                                    () ()
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>                                   ooO Ooo
> 
> 
>         Refuting yours:
> 
> 
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>                        _| |_      (| "o" |)      _| |_    
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>                      \        /  / /(. .)\ \  \        /
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>                                    ooO Ooo
> 
> ---
> Duncan R. MacMillan

Obviously Francis is showing us his preparation for the above, which sums
up his attitude.  I especially like the open mouth and closed eyes.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: MCKINSTRY, WRITING FROM "ACADEMIA" IN REMOTE N.Z. ...
Date: 13 Sep 1995 02:28:52 GMT
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In article <434qbf$q1b@access5.digex.net>, mstein@access5.digex.net
(Michael P. Stein) wrote:

> In article ,
> McKinstry  wrote:
> >> > Spain did become the most powerful for a while.  You can refute this if
> >> > you wish, not that any historian with his salt would back you.
> >> 
> >> You are ignorant, old boy!  The Spanish navy (la Armada espanola) was
> >> decimated in 1588 (in home waters, no less) completely ending its primacy
> >> in the Atlantic... and the Mediterranean.  The Spanish were also were
> >> driven out of the entirety of British North America and existed south of
> >> there, and in the west of the present-day United States, only because the
> >> English weren't interested.  After the 1588, inflation at home made a
> >> shambles of the Spanish economy.   
> >> 
> >Did I say they stayed powerful?  
> 
>     Of course, by the same token, the poster to whom Colin originally
> responded never denied that Spain became powerful; the point was that
> Spain did not long enjoy that wonderful blessing they were supposed to
> have earned (according to Ben "Lie for Christ" Johnson) by kicking out the
> Jews.  Whether Colin was being deliberately disingenuous or was just 
> displaying his typical poor reading comprehension I cannot say.
> 
I'm not Ben Johnson, so why should I have to answer his questions?  This
seems to be a current trend.  First Adam Krim, now Jim, who is the next
Jew that wants me to answer one of Ben's questions?  You?  First off, I
have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, I'm not ignorant of
Spanish history, but I wouldn't call myself an expert.  Yes, I realize
that Spain stuffed up, they are but one of many countries to go down the
gurgler when it comes to miscegenation.  And they did miscegenate in
today's Latin America.  Spain also exiled the Jews (except for converts),
so why is this being disputed?  Do you Jews realize who the chief
Inquisitors were, and say proudly to Ben, see we weren't exiled or
something? 
> 
> >Who gives a shit what you think? You're just some nobody Jew.  If you
> >rated I might consider what you just wrote, but since you don't, I won't.
> 
>     Tsk, tsk.  No wit or style at all in this one.  Really, Colin, I've
> heard better insults from my Rice Krispies, and that's _before_ I pour on
> the milk.  What you wrote above sounds rather like the childish outburst
> of a sore loser. 
> 
True, still it aggravates Jim (who is a nobody), which was my purpose.  He
has this self inflated opinion about himself that what he says, I or
anybody else should consider.  Which is about the most ridiculous thing
ever stated (only superceded by Jeff Han's remarks about pre-1965 books)
in any of the newsgroups I've read.  Of course your Jewish compatriot Sara
is the best except that was on email.  Her answer to multiculturalism was
not to think too much.  Bummer for anyone wishing to succeed.  I'd love to
here more of Sara's wisdom, it's a pity she has resorted to only
correcting spelling (probably to illustrate that one doesn't need to
think.)

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Books...
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:34:50 +1200
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There seems to be some dispute over whether a certain book of mine exists,
namely: Medieval Europe A Short History by Charles Warren Hollister, a
reasonably famous historian.  Whether the name is misspelt by the accuser
when he typed this name into the Library of Congress and AUCAT Australia,
or I've got the title wrong is irrelevant.  This accuser has done great
injustice by suggesting that Charles Warren Hollister is a "fringe"
historian.  It could be that this accuser, who has been repeatly warned,
is trying to appear intellectual by being pedantic.  Now he has once again
made himself into a pratting fool.  As for the book itself, the accuser
has once again blundered, this so called fringe text is still one of the
proscribed texts for HIST 101 at the University of Otago.   Whether the
accuser has the ability to apologise before a crowd has yet to be
determined, he should at least find Charles Warren Hollister and make a
formal apology.

I would also like to bring to the accuser's attention the book The History
and Geography of Human Genes (1993) by Cavalli-Sporza, Menozzi, and
Piazza.  I admit first hand that I have only skim-read this weighty tome,
however it soon becomes apparent that the white races are segregated from
the rest of non-whites by the various charts they offer.

To another accuser who has suggested that texts before 1965 are suspect
due to whig history, how does this person know that texts after 1965 are
not also subject to whig history?  As I have tried to point out to this
accuser (unsuccessfully) the further you go back, the more accurate one
can be.  Quoting directly from Plato, is better than quoting from a quote
of a quote of a quote...which he fails to realize.  To make this point
clearer, most of the current texts written about WWI & WWII are scoffed at
by RSA members (Returned Services Association), seeing as they were there,
as some of them actually gave orders, were part of intelligence and so
forth, you would expect them to know more about the subject than these
current authors.  Yet this accuser would have me believe that a book
written last year by a post graduate would know more about a certain
subject, than those that were in that subject.  Liberals are an eternal
fascination.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Liberal projection
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In article , bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
(Les Griswold) wrote:

> It really gets me laughing when I see the liberals insisting that EVERYONE
> must be as deviant as they are.  Ponder, for example, this little gem from
> alt.sex.fetish.feet:
> 
> Article 37176 of alt.sex.fetish.feet:
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>       ^^^^^^^^^^^
> Newsgroups: alt.sex.fetish.feet
> Subject: Girl's of TLC feet? Anyone??
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> Does anyone PLEASE have any stories or news about pictures of the 
> bare feet of the beautiful girls of TLC?? I'd give anything to get 
> together with those wonderful women backstage after a show, take 
> their shoes off and lick their feet and suck their toes... I bet their feet 
> are all beautiful, especially Lisa's!
> 
> eB
> 
> Need I say more?  I'll bet that cruising the alt.sex boards would net
> anyone a LOT of liberal names.  Then again, most of them are probably
> discreet enough to either use other accounts or the anon service, or to remain
> lurkers.

Yes, evil Beavis must be an upstanding citizen of the liberal community. 
We have a confession from Jeff Han that he reads alt.sex.sheep.  So one
wonders where liberal depravity will end?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Beeb's burning asshole! (or is that, Beebe is a burning asshole?)
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> Hey, fuck-nuts!  Pretty funny to see how Rev. Ron is giving your pathetic
> ass a run for its money.
> 
Yes, Mike is a lot of fun.  It is now a standard request from my friends
to hear Mike Beebe's posts and the replies to them.  Mike Beebe has become
a household name.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Jeannie's not getting the "good stuff" (was: BEEBE LIES AGAIN and
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:58:40 +1200
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> < White men when they're having, um, "personal" problems?
> 
> Les>>
> 
> Watch it Les, you could be the next to incur the wrath of the lil' gal. 
> Hell hath no fury like a po'd liberal woman...
> 
Fortunately for Les's side, we have Jeannie.  She provides her own
downfall, which is very similar to Mike Beebe...perhaps Mike is really a
black negress or a below average white woman.  

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> : > I thought that cloud formation MAINLY happens over the ocean.  Am I
> : > mistaken?
> : >
> : Yes.  Most of the ozone formation occurs over the ocean (due to plankton)
> : as well as most of the planets oxygen support.  One of ways to tell if you
> : are near land (apart of sea birds) is cloud formation.     
> 
> Of topic, but I'm pretty sure that ozone is created in the upper atmosphere
> above both land and ocean.  (I'll look it up, but again, this is off topic).
> Also, I would gather that most of the ozone is generated in the upper
> atmosphere above OCEAN, just because there is more ocean surface area
> than land surface area.  8)
> 
Sorry for not being 100% specific, then again have you ever noticed the
occasional electrical smell on the ocean (ie., ozone)?  True, off topic.

> Agreed, oxygen through ocean plankton.
> 
> I'll try to get more info on cloud formation over land vs. ocean, etc.
> 
> : > : As many a sailor will point out, in the middle of an ocean, there are no
> : > : clouds, only when one gets closer to land does cloud formation become
> : > : evident.
> : > 
> : > But that is where the atmosphere picks up most of it's moisture (or so I 
> : > thought).
> : > 
> : Then you would be wrong.
> 
> Again, I'll look for more info.
> 
>         - Grego

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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>         Arguing their case:
> 
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>                                    | . |               
>                                    ||Y||           
>                                    || ||          
>                                    () ()
>                                    || ||
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> 
> 
>         Refuting yours:
> 
> 
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> ---
> Duncan R. MacMillan

Obviously Francis is showing us his preparation for the above, which sums
up his attitude.  I especially like the open mouth and closed eyes.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Wed Sep 13 08:23:19 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: MCKINSTRY, WRITING FROM "ACADEMIA" IN REMOTE N.Z. ...
Date: 13 Sep 1995 02:28:52 GMT
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In article <434qbf$q1b@access5.digex.net>, mstein@access5.digex.net
(Michael P. Stein) wrote:

> In article ,
> McKinstry  wrote:
> >> > Spain did become the most powerful for a while.  You can refute this if
> >> > you wish, not that any historian with his salt would back you.
> >> 
> >> You are ignorant, old boy!  The Spanish navy (la Armada espanola) was
> >> decimated in 1588 (in home waters, no less) completely ending its primacy
> >> in the Atlantic... and the Mediterranean.  The Spanish were also were
> >> driven out of the entirety of British North America and existed south of
> >> there, and in the west of the present-day United States, only because the
> >> English weren't interested.  After the 1588, inflation at home made a
> >> shambles of the Spanish economy.   
> >> 
> >Did I say they stayed powerful?  
> 
>     Of course, by the same token, the poster to whom Colin originally
> responded never denied that Spain became powerful; the point was that
> Spain did not long enjoy that wonderful blessing they were supposed to
> have earned (according to Ben "Lie for Christ" Johnson) by kicking out the
> Jews.  Whether Colin was being deliberately disingenuous or was just 
> displaying his typical poor reading comprehension I cannot say.
> 
I'm not Ben Johnson, so why should I have to answer his questions?  This
seems to be a current trend.  First Adam Krim, now Jim, who is the next
Jew that wants me to answer one of Ben's questions?  You?  First off, I
have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, I'm not ignorant of
Spanish history, but I wouldn't call myself an expert.  Yes, I realize
that Spain stuffed up, they are but one of many countries to go down the
gurgler when it comes to miscegenation.  And they did miscegenate in
today's Latin America.  Spain also exiled the Jews (except for converts),
so why is this being disputed?  Do you Jews realize who the chief
Inquisitors were, and say proudly to Ben, see we weren't exiled or
something? 
> 
> >Who gives a shit what you think? You're just some nobody Jew.  If you
> >rated I might consider what you just wrote, but since you don't, I won't.
> 
>     Tsk, tsk.  No wit or style at all in this one.  Really, Colin, I've
> heard better insults from my Rice Krispies, and that's _before_ I pour on
> the milk.  What you wrote above sounds rather like the childish outburst
> of a sore loser. 
> 
True, still it aggravates Jim (who is a nobody), which was my purpose.  He
has this self inflated opinion about himself that what he says, I or
anybody else should consider.  Which is about the most ridiculous thing
ever stated (only superceded by Jeff Han's remarks about pre-1965 books)
in any of the newsgroups I've read.  Of course your Jewish compatriot Sara
is the best except that was on email.  Her answer to multiculturalism was
not to think too much.  Bummer for anyone wishing to succeed.  I'd love to
here more of Sara's wisdom, it's a pity she has resorted to only
correcting spelling (probably to illustrate that one doesn't need to
think.)

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Wed Sep 13 19:45:56 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Jewish Influence & the Red Army
Date: 13 Sep 1995 21:12:01 GMT
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There seems to be some sentiment against my posting of the celebrated
Jewish Journalist Llya Ehrenburg, well lets see what kind of influence the
journalist bore on the Red Army.

Caution is advised for those with weak stomach, the following is truely
horrific:

"...At the morning of February 16 (1945) a Russian detachment occupied the
RAD camp Vilmsee near Neustettin.  The Commissar told me in good German
language, that the camp was dissolved and that we, as a unit with uniforms
(Labour Service -- not military uniforms) would be transported immediately
into a collection camp.  Since I, as a Brazilian citizen, belonged to an
allied nation, he asked me to take over as leader of the transport which
went to Neustettin into the yard of a former iron foundry.  We were about
500 girls, 'Maidens of the Reichsarbeitsdients) RAD. (German Labour
Service).
   He said that I could come into the orderly room that I accepted. 
Immediately, he directed me, to make no further contact with the other
women, because they were members of an illegal army.  On my response that
this was not true, he cut me off with a remark that I would be shot
immediately, if I would repeat in any form a similar statement.
   I heard suddenly loud screams, and promptly five girls were brought in
by two Red Armists.  The Commissar ordered them to undress.  When they in
a sense of shame refused to do so, he ordered me to undress them and to
follow him with the girls.  We walked through the yard to the former
factory kitchen, which was completely cleared out except for some tables
on the window wall.  It was dreadful cold and the unfortunate girls
trembled.  In the great tiled room several Russians waited for us, who
made apparently very obscene remarks, because every word was followed by
loud laughs.
   The Commissar directed me to look at, how one makes cissies out of 'The
Master Race'.
   Now two Poles, clad only with trousers, entered.  At their sight the
girls cried out.  Briskly the seized the first girl and bent her over with
her back over the edge of the table until her joints cracked.  I almost
fainted when one of the men pulled his knife and cut off her right breast
before the eyes of the others.  I have never heard of a human being
screaming so desperately than this young woman.  After this operation then
men stabbed several times in the abdomen, accompanied again by the howling
>from  the Russians.
   The next cried for mercy, in vain: since she was exceptionally pretty,
I had the impression that one did the work very slowly.  The other three
girls were completely broken down, cried after their mothers and begged
for a speedy death, but also they overtook the fate.
   The last one was still half a child with barely developed breasts; one
tore the flesh literally from her ribs until the white bone appeared.
   Again, five girls were brought in.  This time, they selected carefully,
all were well developed and pretty.  When they saw the bodies of their
predecessors, they began to cry and scream.  With their weak strength,
they tried to defend themselves but to no avail, the Poles became more
cruel everytime.  At one of the girls they sliced up her womb and trunk in
full length, poured a can of machine oil into it and tried to ignite it. 
The other was shot into the genitals by a Russisn, before they cut off her
breasts.
   A great howling began, when there was brought a saw out of a tool box. 
Now, with the saw on tore of her breasts of the girls to pieces, which in
a short time led to the floor being swamped with blood.  A bloodrage
seized the Russians.
   Incessantly one brought girls.
   Like in a red fog, I saw gruesome happenings; again and again, I
preceived the inhuman screaming at the torture of the breasts and the loud
groaning at the mutilation of the private parts.  When my legs failed me,
I was forced into a chair.  The Commissar persistently paid attention,
that I look toward it.  Really; when I had to vomit, they paused with the
torture.  One girl had not undressed completely, she may have also been
somewhat older than the rest, who were about 17-years old.  One soaked her
bra with oil and ignited it and, while she cried out, another drove a thin
iron rod into her vagina until it emerged at her naval.
   In the yard, they liquidated entire groups of girls, after they had
selected the prettiest ones for the torture room.  The air was filled with
the death cries of many hundred of girls.  But in view of that, what
happened here, the manslaughter outside was plainly human.  It was a
dreadful fact that not one of the girls brought into the torture room lost
her consciousness.  Every single one suffered the mutilations in full
consciousness.
  In their horror all were equal in their expressions, regularly it was
the same, the begging for mercy, the high scream at the cutting of the
breats and the moaning at the mutilation of the genitals.
   Several times the murder was interrupted, to sweep out the blood and
clear out the corpses.
   At the evening I sank into severe nerve fever.  From then on I am
missing any recollection until the moment, I awoke in military hospital. 
German troops had by then recaptured Neustettin and had thus liberated
us.  As I learned later on, it was confirmed that 2,000 girls had been
murdered in the three days of Russian occupation, who had been in the
vicinity of the RAD-BDM camps."
               Mrs Leonora Geiera, nee Cavoa.

Lets not forget that Stalin had a Jewish wife as well.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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>      Many years ago, I didn't believe in a liberal media bias.  Now, I 
> do.  Republicans are always challenged on their views while whatever 
> Democrats say, esp. liberals, gets reported without any challenge.
>      When liberal Democrats said Republicans wanted to "take food out of 
> the mouths of children", the media reported it.  When liberal Democrats 
> said the Republicans wanted to declare a "war on the poor", the media 
> reported it.  Any challenge?  No.
>      The media doesn't report the news anymore.  They tell us what they 
> want US to hear.  And that is not journalism, it's commentary.  

An old aquintance of mine (and no longer, unfortunately), who is one of
New Zealand's top journalists, stated "It is considered good journalism
for the journalist to add his or her opinion to the story."  Which about
sums up the media.  

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Sep 14 10:53:14 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Hallelujah!  (Was:  Re:  Black brains...)
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>         "Yes, just as other physiological differences exit between the 
> two races. Percentage of certain muscle fiber types, skeletal 
> differences, differences in musculature, emotive displays, others.  
> Indeed it would be stranger if brain sizes were identical.
> 
>         "Male brains are larger than female brains (on avg).  But of 
> course in these times facts such as brain size are ignored, or worse, 
> made to seem insignificant.  Blacks can't score high on IQ tests - it's 
> got to be the test.  Blacks have a high violent crime rate - it's some 
> sort of white conspiracy.  Blacks have a tremendous teenage pregancy rate 
> -  see conspiracy.  Blacks have huge drug problems - ditto.  Blacks 
> remain in poverty, place little or no value on education (school's too 
> hard?), swell the welfare roles, fill the prisons (have NO DOUBT -by the 
> time ANYONE fucks enough to go to prison - they need to be there) - in 
> short they can't fit into our society. 
> 
>         "Look at the Chinsese, Japanese, and Koreans in this country.  
> All have a strong work ethic, value education, and thrive here.  All have 
> been discriminated against and the Chinese for one were treated as 
> virtual slaves by the railroad.
> 
>         "I think most blacks sense their inferiority as they will  try to 
> mate with more highly evolved races to improve the genetics of  their  
> line.  
> 
>         "It has now been ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY YEARS since the blacks 
> were freed (with white blood).  How many generations is that for them? 
> (alot)  The latest civil rights act has been with us since the 60's!  How 
> long does it take for them to get it together?  The answer is they will 
> never "get it together."  No more than your pet Labrador is going to 
> drive you to the store. 
> 
>         "In summary, our ancestors fucked up when they imported these 
> wild animals over here to work the fields.  What a wonderful country this 
> would be now if it never happened."
> 
> 
>         In short, Roger, hallelujah!  Your post is like a breath of fresh 
> air in this filthy cesspool.  Keep up the good work.
> 
>         I previously tried to inform these mouth-breathers that negro 
> brains are smaller than human brains, and was met with the typical 
> liberal response:  Evasion, name-calling, etc.
> 
>         But, as I said before, the evidence just keeps rolling in!
> 
>         Marcus William Marlow

I wouldn't hold your breath Marcus, liberals like being ignorant.  Nothing
in this world could prove to them the above.  It comes back to this
principle: if you stated the generalisation that ravens are black, then
some liberal would point out that 1 in 11 million ravens is an albino,
thus you are wrong.  They completely ignore the fact that the other
10,999,999 are black.  Thus if you stated that blacks cause most of the
crime, then they go to great length to find some that don't.  What I was
waiting for was to find some liberals quoting big brained negroes.  Maybe
they haven't looked at 11,000,000 black's brains.  

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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>         "Yes, just as other physiological differences exit between the 
> two races. Percentage of certain muscle fiber types, skeletal 
> differences, differences in musculature, emotive displays, others.  
> Indeed it would be stranger if brain sizes were identical.
> 
>         "Male brains are larger than female brains (on avg).  But of 
> course in these times facts such as brain size are ignored, or worse, 
> made to seem insignificant.  Blacks can't score high on IQ tests - it's 
> got to be the test.  Blacks have a high violent crime rate - it's some 
> sort of white conspiracy.  Blacks have a tremendous teenage pregancy rate 
> -  see conspiracy.  Blacks have huge drug problems - ditto.  Blacks 
> remain in poverty, place little or no value on education (school's too 
> hard?), swell the welfare roles, fill the prisons (have NO DOUBT -by the 
> time ANYONE fucks enough to go to prison - they need to be there) - in 
> short they can't fit into our society. 
> 
>         "Look at the Chinsese, Japanese, and Koreans in this country.  
> All have a strong work ethic, value education, and thrive here.  All have 
> been discriminated against and the Chinese for one were treated as 
> virtual slaves by the railroad.
> 
>         "I think most blacks sense their inferiority as they will  try to 
> mate with more highly evolved races to improve the genetics of  their  
> line.  
> 
>         "It has now been ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY YEARS since the blacks 
> were freed (with white blood).  How many generations is that for them? 
> (alot)  The latest civil rights act has been with us since the 60's!  How 
> long does it take for them to get it together?  The answer is they will 
> never "get it together."  No more than your pet Labrador is going to 
> drive you to the store. 
> 
>         "In summary, our ancestors fucked up when they imported these 
> wild animals over here to work the fields.  What a wonderful country this 
> would be now if it never happened."
> 
> 
>         In short, Roger, hallelujah!  Your post is like a breath of fresh 
> air in this filthy cesspool.  Keep up the good work.
> 
>         I previously tried to inform these mouth-breathers that negro 
> brains are smaller than human brains, and was met with the typical 
> liberal response:  Evasion, name-calling, etc.
> 
>         But, as I said before, the evidence just keeps rolling in!
> 
>         Marcus William Marlow

I wouldn't hold your breath Marcus, liberals like being ignorant.  Nothing
in this world could prove to them the above.  It comes back to this
principle: if you stated the generalisation that ravens are black, then
some liberal would point out that 1 in 11 million ravens is an albino,
thus you are wrong.  They completely ignore the fact that the other
10,999,999 are black.  Thus if you stated that blacks cause most of the
crime, then they go to great length to find some that don't.  What I was
waiting for was to find some liberals quoting big brained negroes.  Maybe
they haven't looked at 11,000,000 black's brains.  

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> > Who gives a shit what you think? You're just some nobody Jew.  If you
> > rated I might consider what you just wrote, but since you don't, I won't.
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > Why would I want to waste my time with a nobody like you, telling you my
> > qualifications? 
> 
> Please note that this is the exact same Colin McKinstry who, on July 10,
> 1995, said:
> 
> > [D]erogatry speech is the sign of a loser.
> 
> I leave the conclusion as an exercise for the reader.
> 
Perhaps the reader has followed this little debate more closely than you
Jeffrey, otherwise you wouldn't have been so foolish.  "Nobody" is a play
on sarcasm.  The Herostratus of Jewry believes he is somebody, therefore
calling him nobody is sarcasm.  Though I don't suppose you've ever
bothered to realize this?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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Subject: Re: McKinstry's "DNA test" (was: Les scuttles under the carpet...)
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> > >         Also note that I did not say that the science of population 
> > > genetics did not exist.  I said that a scientific method for determining
> > > 'Whiteness' did not exist.  You still have not provided ANY evidence 
> > > whatsoever to back your claim.
> > > 
> > What a load of crap, white skin versus black skin has long since been
> > established, it is but one example.  One my my replies to Jeffrey makes
> > mention of this fact.
> 
> McKinstry now clumsily tries to change the parameters of the discussion.
> His original claim was that a DNA test -- _not_ observations of skin color
> -- would "suffice" to determine who was really "white". Now, suddenly, he
> appears to want to abandon that claim and fall back on such gross
> morpological features as skin color. Can this, perhaps, be because
> McKinstry actually knows that there _is_ no DNA test for "whiteness"?
> 
My reply was an example Jeffrey, please note the words "one example".  As
per usual, never criticise my reading comprehension again, until your's
improves. Your desperation in trying to win an argument against me, is
your own downfall.

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: McKinstry's "DNA test" (was: Les scuttles under the carpet...)
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> > > You fail to understand, Colin. The many traits that compose what
> > > you see as racial characteristics are the result of numerous
> > > genes. Each individual gene, each allele of that gene, is present
> > > in multiple human populations. No given allele has been found which
> > > is not present, to some degree, in multiple human populations.
> > >
> > Yes, however, certain races have more abundance (or its reverse) in a
> > particular allele.  That can be tested for.
> 
> McKinstry still seems to exhibit a lack of comprehension of this concept.
> The "abundance" is measured in _populations_, not _individuals_. Yet,
> McKinstry's original thesis was that DNA tests would suffice to determine
> the race of _individuals_, not _populations_. He has yet to demonstrate
> that a DNA test for the race of an _individual_ exists and is reliable.
> 
I would not criticise my reading comprehension Jeffrey, as your previous
post illustrates yours more clearly.

> The original questions remain, still unanswered by McKinstry:
> 
>   * _What_ is "white DNA".
> 
>   * _How_ is it tested for?
> 
So far 88+-0.1% genes make up a European.  History and Geography of
Genetics, I stated the title in the post "books...".  I would also like to
point out that in the same book, in it's various charts it segregates the
white Europeans from the dusky Europeans.  One way of testing could be
(please note could is not would, I'm hypothesising) to test the genetics
involved in lactasing as an adult, which is a white feature, the duskier
one becomes the ability to lactase becomes lower as an adult.  Other such
abilities, unique to the white race could also be tested for (via
genetics), I'm also prepared for those that seem white and fail these
tests, to be excluded from the white community as they possess poor genes.
If such features are unique to the white community then they can be tested
for, whereas the other races will fail.  It seems a logical conclusion,
however if a valid point against my hypothesis is raised, I will at least
consider it.  Pity I can't expect the liberal community to do the same... 


> > > Please read the sources you cite (as a general body of work) to
> > > support your incorrect hypothesis that any genetic test can 
> > > prove someone to be of one race or another.
> > >
> > You yourself stated it, so why bother repeating your wonderful assertion?
> 
> McKinstry again dodges the question, this time quite openly. He simply
> refuses to answer the questions raised by his assertion. Perhaps, in the
> course of acquiring the Bachelor of Science he claims to possess, he
> missed the point of science: to answer questions.
> 
Jeffrey, please reread some of Singer's posts.  As per usual, your reading
comprehension is again lacking.  

Cailean.

P.S Jeffrey, I'm still waiting for an apology for you calling Charles
Warren Hollister a "fringe" historian.  Could you hurry it up?  If your
reading comprehension is that poor you cannot understand this, I will try
and compose a sentence with only one syllable words.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: MCKINSTRY, WRITING FROM "ACADEMIA" IN REMOTE N.Z. ...
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> > Who gives a shit what you think? You're just some nobody Jew.  If you
> > rated I might consider what you just wrote, but since you don't, I won't.
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > Why would I want to waste my time with a nobody like you, telling you my
> > qualifications? 
> 
> Please note that this is the exact same Colin McKinstry who, on July 10,
> 1995, said:
> 
> > [D]erogatry speech is the sign of a loser.
> 
> I leave the conclusion as an exercise for the reader.
> 
Perhaps the reader has followed this little debate more closely than you
Jeffrey, otherwise you wouldn't have been so foolish.  "Nobody" is a play
on sarcasm.  The Herostratus of Jewry believes he is somebody, therefore
calling him nobody is sarcasm.  Though I don't suppose you've ever
bothered to realize this?

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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Subject: Re: Indians caused the American desert SW (was Re: ATTN Grego)
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> > > : > Someone saying that he "deserves to have my car because I hardly ever
> > > : > use it" doesn't quite wash with me.
> > > : >
> > > : And?  Your car has no bearing on the nation's livelihood, however
land can
> > > : be put to use.
> > > 
> > > Unless someone decides that my car is.  Or my house.  Or my wife.
> > 
> > I somehow doubt it could be justified, especially your wife.
> 
> Once again, please note: this is the Colin McKinstry who proclaimed on
> July 10, 1995 that:
> 
> > [D]erogatry speech is the sign of a loser.
> 
Please state how the above is derogatry?
How can one's wife be justified in being removed from her husband, in a
national sense?
Sounds like your getting desperate Jeffrey.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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Subject: Re: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Lyin' junior blows a nut!!
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> >> >Hey Cry-Beeby, if your bird-brain mind can remember that far back, someone
> >> >else said I was 20 years of age.  I corrected it by making it known I am
> >> >19.
> >> 
> >> That figures.  You don't even type like a grownup.
> >> 
> >What type of reply is this Rosenberg?  Is there some special way age
> >groups type on a typewriter/wordprocessor/computer?  And how do you know
> >Ron doesn't type like a 40 year old?  Surely it wouldn't be that difficult
> >learn these special typing rituals, would it?  Is there some secret Jewish
> >society that specializes in typing, like the Freemasons do with
> >handshakes, that you haven't told us about?
> 
> Colin, go back to foaming at the mouth; you're making more of a fool of 
> yourself than usual.

Considering who wrote "That figures.  You don't even type like a grownup"
I find that extremely humourous.  Keep up these comments, and you'll be
better than Mike Beebe (maybe you are).  So far my friends haven't
requested hearing your posts and replies yet, but I'm sure that will
change...

Anyway how do know Ron doesn't type like a grownup?  

To quote the Herostratus of alt.politics.white-power:

"You _made_ the claim, you back it up"

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> > > : > Someone saying that he "deserves to have my car because I hardly ever
> > > : > use it" doesn't quite wash with me.
> > > : >
> > > : And?  Your car has no bearing on the nation's livelihood, however
land can
> > > : be put to use.
> > > 
> > > Unless someone decides that my car is.  Or my house.  Or my wife.
> > 
> > I somehow doubt it could be justified, especially your wife.
> 
> Once again, please note: this is the Colin McKinstry who proclaimed on
> July 10, 1995 that:
> 
> > [D]erogatry speech is the sign of a loser.
> 
Please state how the above is derogatry?
How can one's wife be justified in being removed from her husband, in a
national sense?
Sounds like your getting desperate Jeffrey.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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Subject: Re: new theory on pyramids
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> folks:
> 
> i had always been told that nigras built the pyramids, but i want to 
> report in to the newsgroup this new theory i saw on the discovery 
> channel--some scientists are now saying that it was eqyptians that built 
> the pyramids.  i know that this theory will probably be rejected because 
> it is politically incorrect and the multicultural libs don't like it that 
> nigras invented only peanut butter.

It's amazing, literally amazing.  Just to think that something so obvious
as this escaped the liberal's impeccable minds.  You should have kept this
quiet David, liberals object to anything that might actually teach them
something.  They like to maintain this air of ignorance, oops I mean
mystery, around them.

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >> >Hey Cry-Beeby, if your bird-brain mind can remember that far back, someone
> >> >else said I was 20 years of age.  I corrected it by making it known I am
> >> >19.
> >> 
> >> That figures.  You don't even type like a grownup.
> >> 
> >What type of reply is this Rosenberg?  Is there some special way age
> >groups type on a typewriter/wordprocessor/computer?  And how do you know
> >Ron doesn't type like a 40 year old?  Surely it wouldn't be that difficult
> >learn these special typing rituals, would it?  Is there some secret Jewish
> >society that specializes in typing, like the Freemasons do with
> >handshakes, that you haven't told us about?
> 
> Colin, go back to foaming at the mouth; you're making more of a fool of 
> yourself than usual.

Considering who wrote "That figures.  You don't even type like a grownup"
I find that extremely humourous.  Keep up these comments, and you'll be
better than Mike Beebe (maybe you are).  So far my friends haven't
requested hearing your posts and replies yet, but I'm sure that will
change...

Anyway how do know Ron doesn't type like a grownup?  

To quote the Herostratus of alt.politics.white-power:

"You _made_ the claim, you back it up"

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Rev. ROB (?)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 10:41:39 +1200
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> Robert the pussywhipped hubby of Meanie Jeannie, writes:
> 
> < 
> I do not claim to be either a "Christian" or a "Reverend". You claim both.
> The Bible, which you both "quote" and claim to follow, has some VERY clear
> instructions regarding both language and behavior of church leaders:
> 
> Eph 4:31 Concerns language and conduct toward others.
> 1Pet 5:1-4 Concerns the conduct of elders and leaders of the church.>>
> 
> uh hum.  These verses are taken out of context, bud.  They refer to my
> respsonsibility as an elder TOWARD MY BRETHREN AND SISTERS.  Not toward
> idiots such as yourself.  Read a bit more Robert.
> 
> <>
> 
> I'll say!
> 
> < sources are:
> 
> 1) "The Amplified Bible", published by Zondervan Bible Press, and which
> contains all possible forms of words as translated from the original
> Hebrew and Greek, and
> 
I'm afraid it doesn't, it is extremely poor in the Hebrew.  It's Greek is
better, but not by much.  Various English versions are better than others
in certain areas, but you really need to go back to the Hebrew and Greek
to really be certain.

> 2) "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible" published by Abingdon. A
> bible concordance, if you don't know, shows every place every word in the
> Bible is found.>>

Not completely true, but it is very good.  I've found the biblical
software Logos to be better at finding all the words (does it in Hebrew
and Greek as well.)
> 
> Wow.  You can read eh?  Mighty impressive.  Now why don't you try to go
> back and read them again and see that they apply to my conduct with my
> brothers and sisters in Christ.  And if you saw any of my conduct toward
> my brothers and sisters, you would know how examplary it is.  To those
> whom I love, I show the utmost respect and courtesy and love.  To those
> who have shown themselves to be the blasphemous lying devils they are,
> this is what ya get.
> 
> < astronaut,
> or a chicken plucker? You're failing miserably at pretending to be a
> "Christian Reverend".
> 
> Rob K.>>
> 
> And you are failing miserably at trying to be a normal human being.  I'd
> never try to stop you in your quest for humanhood though.
> 
> Rev. Ron
> 
It would also seem that Rob, doesn't know what an elder is either.  Yes,
one of the criteria is being over 50, but there are others...like having a
proven ministry before the age of 50 (judges, captains, teachers and
counsellors to name a few.)  Of course it has to be recognized as well...

As for language, Yahweh himself uses the equivalent word for shit in
Hebrew.  Not to mention the Prophets.  Some of their remarks to others are
less than complimentary as well (to the refuse (shit) of Jerusalem...). 
Obviously a godly attribute if used in the correct manner.

Oh Rob, Ron doesn't call himself an elder either, he has hypothesised been
an elder.

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >If you are right, there can always be a string of tests, one of 
> >them DNA.         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^     
> 
> In other words, you accept the scientific fact that there is no
> test of a person's DNA which will prove for certain that they are
> white.
> 
> I guess the case is closed, then.
>
I'm hypthesising Singer, I stated race can be determined by genetics, I
have never stated how they were done.
 
..
> >> Again, "races" is used in a population sense.  Saying that a member
> >> of the "black" race has a different blood type than a member of
> >> the "white" race is false, unless ALL "blacks" share ABSOLUTELY NO
> >> blood types with ALL "whites".
> >>
> >Various Sanguninologists will point out the Negroes have a 
> >different blood palette shape to Europeans.
> 
> What's a "negro," Colin? BTW, that's "sanguin," not "sangunin." 
> And "platelet," not "palette." Also, people who are blood experts
> are usually referred to as "hematologists." Exactly what pseudo-
> scientific source to you get this nonsense from?
>
So the best you can do is pick on is spelling mistakes.  There are blood
specialists who call themselves Sanguinologists, sanguine meaning blood. 
And yes I realize that it should be platelet, not palette.
 
> I would suggest that this "sanguninologist" [sic] hasn't clue one, 
> any more than you do. Platelet shape differences are relative to
> the exposure to equatorial environments where malaria is common,
> not to race. Many Indians have sickle-cell anemia as well, you know.
> 
Then perhaps you should talk to a Sanguinologist, though you will notice I
said negro, not indian.  One further item, chimpanzees have the same blood
types, why don't you get a blood transfusion from one.

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : > >I'm afraid Lane, backed up my argument unwittingly and so did 
> : > >Mark, never mind. 
> 
>                 Idiot!
> 
> : > 
> : > Secondly, the only person around here who is "unwitting" is you:
> : > You have failed to comprehend the facts that at least three people
> : > are laying before you, and have therefore not answered a single
> : > point.
> 
> : I can't help it, if you wish to back my argument and disprove your own, I
> : never made the comment that some (note) sub-saharan tribes have similar
> : genetics to Europeans.  Which from your own statement goes towards proving
> : my own argument, whether you realize it, remains to be seen.
> : > 
>                 Idiot!  They were pointing out that your test would be
> wildly inaccurate, unless you plan on allowing sub-saharan people to
> join your Aryan race.  They have many of the same characteristics, 
> genetically.  Do you think of them as white?  I didn't think so.
> 
> : > 
> : SInger, if you wish to attack my statements then you should learn not to
> : unwittingly support my own.  I personally have nothing against this style,
> : but if you wish to be derogatry about it, I will quite happily point out
> : your own failings.
> 
>                 Idiot!!!!
> 
Jeff Han is back in town.  His new name is Joe Poulin, like Jeff Han, Joe
must be an intellectual of the highest calibre.  Only an upstanding
intellectual could possibly call someone else an *idiot*, I wish I had
that ability.  What qualifications do you possess that lets you
pontificate the word idiot onto other people?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: COLON THE BONEHEAD (was Re: The ONLY liberal big gun... (was: For anyone who's interested...))
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> > > Excuse me? Colon, have you forgotten that I archive my posts? Damn it, I
> > > put you my killfile collection the last time you "yawned off" in hopes
> > > that I'd never have to read any more of your bullshit. Why did you have to
> > > flat-out lie about what I wrote? For the record, I am pasting the post
> > > that will show what a lying bonehead YOU really are. BTW, the word is
> > > spelled 'congratulations,' Mr. Studier of Fourth Year Graduate Textbooks.
> > > 
> > Obviously you have a lousy killfile.
> 
> My killfile is fine; however, I just caught you quoting me out of context
> to ibokor.
> 
> > > Here it is folks:
> > >
> > > How's this for an answer: If literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of
> > > intelligence, then you are a bonehead; but if literacy, spelling and
> > > grammar are not signs of intelligence, then you are an uncaring slob. You
> > > fail either way, Colin! Is this the answer you were expecting?
> > >
> > And there we have it, no lying by Jeannie.  You see Jeannie, you implied
> > that if literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of intelligence; then
> > those that can't are a bonehead.  You used me as an example.  Therefore, I
> > take it fully within my right to quote you. 
> 
> Colon my answer refered only to you. You are the bonehead and/or uncaring
> slob, and a loser either way. YOU ARE. I was not using you as an example.
> YOU ARE THE BONEHEAD! YOU ARE THE UNCARING SLOB! YOU ARE THE LOSER!
> 
> Do you understand now?
>
I'm sorry, but only illogical people wouldn't be able to make this fit the
other people.  A(literacy, spelling and grammar) => E(Cailean(bonehead)) ^
        /A(literacy, spelling and grammar) => E(Cailean(uncaring slob)).
=> means unification, / means not, E(x) means there exists some x. 
However there is no clause to stop A(x) in your arguments.  No
specification, therefore by logical deduction:
      A(literacy, spelling and grammar) => E(bonehead) ^
     /A(literacy, spelling and grammar) => E(uncaring clob).
 
A(x) means, for all x. ^ means and.

Cut it any way you like, I can from your argument specify that other
people fit E(bonehead) or E(uncaring slob).  No unification rule prevents
me from adding more E(x) clauses. Which is grounded from your argument.

You made the statement.

> BS major at Mouthbreather U. 
> aka the goose-stepping bagpipe of alt.white.inbred.losers
> 
You really should consult with Chuck about humour...

> Jeanne K.
> 
Cailean.

-- 
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In article <43dh7p$qt1@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jwccti1@aol.com (JWCCTI1) wrote:

> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Rectaltract McKinstry BSc of the Tribe of Trash
> branch residing in remote New Zealand) wrote:
> 
> > You really are trying to be Herostratus aren't you?  So you are saying
> > Stalin's public propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg payed no influence on the
> Red
> > Army?  Pretty lousy propagandist if you state that.
> 
> Ilya Ehrendburg, a communist among communists, played neither a large nor
> minor role on the hatred which 150 million Russians rightly had for Nazi
> Germany who invaded their country and got as far as east as Stalingrad. 
> That is, the Germans actually drove further east than the center of
> population.  
>
So your opinion is worth more than those that specified Ehrenburg as a
propagandist, or is it that you are ignorant to what a propagandist is?
 
> Why shouldn't any Soviet citizen of the era feel the way Ehrenburg did?  
>
Perhaps you are ignorant of the task that a propagandist does?
 
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Rectaltract McKinstry BSc of the Tribe of Trash
> branch residing in remote New Zealand) had earlier written:
> 
> > > Lets not forget that Stalin had a Jewish wife as well.
> > 
> 
> jwccti@aol.com (wannabe Herostratus) replied:
> : Er, McKinstry, that's a rather broad leap in logic even for you. 
> Stalin's
> : wife was married to a monster with the same religion as you. In fact,
> Jews
> : worldwide contribute close to zero to rape and sexual torture.  
>  
> : In other words, McKinstry, if you were to ruin some neighborhood by
> : inserting your trashy self into it, you could rightfully say to your
> : formerly happy next-door neighbor, "Hee hee. Unlike you, I don't live
> next
> : door to trash."  Just as Stalin could say that unlike his spouse he
> wasn't
> : married to a monster.  
> :
> 
So you are trying to state the Stalin's wife had no bearing on Stalin's
actions?  That pretty incredible isn't it, especially considering that the
Jews are matriachal?

> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Rectaltract McKinstry BSc of the Tribe of Trash
> branch residing in remote New Zealand) taking incautious notice of the
> preceding statement replied:
> 
> > Hardly a rational statement, but then Herostratus here is trying to be
> noticed.
> 
I retract, you are a wannabe Herostratus.
> 
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Rectaltract McKinstry BSc of the Tribe of Trash
> branch residing in remote New Zealand) also replied:
> 
> > Only acts of terrorism instead, one mustn't forget whom started whom on
> > the Palestinians would we?
> 
> Ah!  The monster Stalin had a Jewish wife who was married to a monster;
> therefore "Palestinian" immigrants to Israel from other Arab countries
> such as Syria have a God-given right to blow up tourist busses in Israel. 
> Logic is not one of your things, Rectaltract, BSc.  
> 
Who started who, wannabe Herostratus?

> Actually, Rectaltract,  Palestine was a sparsely populated badland earlier
> in this century except for small population centers such as Jerusalem,
> which has been predominantly Jewish since the 1840s, and Jaffa which was
> and is predominantly Arab.  Prosperity brought by Jewish settlers after
> the 1890s attracted a large Arab population from over the loose border
> with Syria and Lebanon and nearby Iraq.  Most "Palestinians" have no ties
> with Palestianian which go back more than a few generations.  But then,
> neither do Jews who emigrated there from Europe and North America ... and
> built settlements.  
> 
> Do Jews have politcal privileges and representation in the non-democracies
> which surround Israel?  I don't think so, Rectaltract.  A Palestinian Arab
> may be a full voting citizen of Israel, and may even be elected to
> political office.  He's not even subject to the draft.  And the government
> of the nation where he lives is committed toward preserving his all-holy
> (since 1948) religious shrine which was built on the site of their
> destroyed Second Temple.
>
This has some bearing?  If the state of Israel started destroying
religious artifacts of other groups, and showed to the world that it
wasn't a democracy, wouldn't you think (?) that the state of Israel would
lose its lunch money? 
> 
> jwccti@aol.com wrote:
> 
> : Hey, stupid, I hate to harp on this subject.  But once again, what
> bumfuck
> : institution is that place you go to in Aukland that you so outrageouly
> : term "academia"?   
>  
> 
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Rectaltract McKinstry BSc of the Tribe of Trash
> branch residing in remote New Zealand) replied:
>  
> > You must have some lousy newsreader, either that or you like to remain
> > ignorant.  According to my newsreader there is a title called
> > organization, yours is America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) and mine
> > is...
> > Obviously you must be highly qualified, calling someone stupid, only
> > intelligent people can do that.
> 
> Ah, but Rectaltract, I _have_ observed your Univeristy of Aukland
> organization label on many of your posts, but I have not yet learned of
> your own "academic" affiliation, and since I doubt that there is one, that
> is why I use quotation marks around "academic" and related words.  It is
> as if you use a nearby institutional Internet access which, if anything
> like the situation here, is freely available (for a nominal stipend) to
> the community at large. 
> 
> But I have received e-mail from several New Zealanders who claim that they
> cannot locate you on either the faculty or in the student body at the U.
> of Aukland.  (Their intent seems to be to make you famous at home.)  So,
> is it that you're not even good enough for the prestigious University of
> Aukland, and that your BSc is from some agricultural institution in a
> **real** backwater, far from cosmopolitan Aukland?  Or is it that you are
> an employee of the U. of Aukland serving in some non-faculty role such as
> the groundskeepers' staff, or faculty gofer?  Tell us: what do you do with
> all the money and the daily kudos, Rectaltract McKinstry, BSc?  Do not
> dissimulate.  "None of your business" is perfectly acceptable as a
> response.  We'll just make more assumptions about you then.
> 
Ha ha, the system I'm on refuses to allow such interference.  All you can
do is speculate.  You should talk to some of your jewish compatriots to
see if I my mailing address actually exists.  Also, there is something
known in New Zealand as the privacy act, which most New Zealanders
(especially Students since its been widely promoted there) know. 
Therefore I can freely say you're bullshitting.  These New Zealanders
couldn't find anything out about me, unless expressly stated that I wanted
them too, to you comprehend?  In fact, if they did find any information
out about me, I'd like to know their names, so I can sue them for
everything they've got.
  
BTW, common etiquette specifies that you tell me yours, before I tell you
mine. I did not ask for yours, therefore by common etiquette, you should
state yours first.  By etiquette I'm fully justified in calling you are
nobody, you refuse to give me any of your credentials that make you
(supposedly) a rational being.  Therefore I call you a wannabe
Herostratus.

> It will be like the way you make assumptions equating Stalin's abused
> Jewish wife with imported terrorists in Israel.   Never assume that a Jew
> can't hit you back, Rectaltract. 
> 
I'd never assume that a Jew can't hit back, I'd never assume either that
Derek Bell couldn't make the occasional decent comment.  However, your
attacks are pitiful to say the least.  I'd suggest taking up debating, you
may learn how to present a case more forcefully.

Cailean.

-- 
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> : Jeff Han is back in town.  His new name is Joe Poulin, like Jeff Han, Joe
> : must be an intellectual of the highest calibre.  Only an upstanding
> : intellectual could possibly call someone else an *idiot*, I wish I had
> : that ability.  What qualifications do you possess that lets you
> : pontificate the word idiot onto other people?
> 
>         I had to try something...  You never respond to reasonable 
> arguments, so I tried this.  Note that you still have not actually 
> responded to any of the points here, you have just tried to change
> the argument.  Again.
>         Please go look up the word 'pontificate'.  I will call you 
> an idiot until you can use it correctly in a sentence.  Clue...  Not
> the way you used it here.
> 
>         If you respond to other posts by trying to discuss the facts 
> instead of attacking people, or providing proof instead of your own
> assertions, I think people will be much less likely to get frustrated
> and yell at you.
> 
Not my problem Joe if you get uptight, besides it only makes me laugh
harder when I see it.  I'm afraid Joe, I happen to like attacking people
in an argument, its something I have yet to tire (and probably never
will).  One of the premises of the arguments here is that I tell how this
genetic test is done, something I do not know, have stated many times, yet
is kept getting asked.  How am I supposed to react?  

As for pontificate...I was getting bored of the recycling of old arguments
(Clue... change tactics).

Cailean.

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> : >   * _What_ is "white DNA".
> : > 
> : >   * _How_ is it tested for?
> : > 
> : So far 88+-0.1% genes make up a European.  
> 
> I'm afraid I'm not clear on what you're trying to say here. Are
> you saying that Europeans only have 88 genes, or that out of the
> thousands of genes a person has, 88 (+- .1% of what?) are specific
> to Europeans. That's interesting. Was this in H.G. of Human Genes?
> (not Genetics, BTW). What page?
> 
I'll look tomorrow, as for mentioning 88 genes, well when I finally get
some free time, I'll conclude the story.

> : History and Geography of
> : Genetics, I stated the title in the post "books...".  I would also like to
> : point out that in the same book, in it's various charts it segregates the
> : white Europeans from the dusky Europeans.  
> 
> Dusky? I don't remember seeing that description applied in that
> book, to anyone. 
> 
Sorry my interpolation, those we (as in white power) have been saying is
white and those Europeans which aren't, are seperated on the various
charts.

> : One way of testing could be
> : (please note could is not would, I'm hypothesising) to test the genetics
> : involved in lactasing as an adult, which is a white feature, the duskier
> : one becomes the ability to lactase becomes lower as an adult.  
> 
> I think you mean "the ability to PRODUCE lactase." People don't
> "lactase," they produce it.
>
Yes, however, there must be at some level a genetic involvement.

> : Other such
> : abilities, unique to the white race could also be tested for (via
> : genetics), 
> 
> The ability to produce lactase isn't unique "to the white race."
> And besides, all babies and small children produce it. People who
> become lactose intolerant sometimes don't develop it until well into
> adulthood. 
>
Adulthood was where I was referring.  I am fully aware of babies and small
children.
 
> : I'm also prepared for those that seem white and fail these
> : tests, to be excluded from the white community as they possess poor genes.
> 
> Lactose intolerance is not something that is present in every
> member of a given community, nor is the ability to tolerate lactose
> in adulthood (the hallmark of a dairy-consuming culture) present in
> all members of a given community. So this test wouldn't work, unless
> you wanted to separate one generation of all people who are lactose
> intolerant out, which would net you two extremely multi-ethnic groups.
> And of course, the next generation produced by both groups would
> again mix up the lactose toleration present in each of them.
> 
I'm afraid you should do some research into the white race as a
dairy-consuming culture, which started basically in the high middle ages. 
I'm afraid lactase tolerance at an adult level is European feature, which
increases the fairer one becomes.

> : If such features are unique to the white community then they can be tested
> : for, whereas the other races will fail.  
> 
> There are no features unique to the white community (you realize
> you still haven't defined what "white" is, really). There are
> no features unique to any community.
> 
I just stated one.  

> : It seems a logical conclusion,
> : however if a valid point against my hypothesis is raised, I will at least
> : consider it.  Pity I can't expect the liberal community to do the same... 
> 
> Ok, I've considered it. It won't work. Next.
> 
> You do realize, I hope, that this desire you klannazis seem to
> have to separate out all the different colored objects, and
> group things so specifically based upon primarily random criteria,
> is extremely anal.
> 
Or you mean in your opinion, and really, does your opinion rate?

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Sep 17 18:38:57 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: McKinstry's "DNA test" (was: Les scuttles under the carpet...)
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> > ...Only an upstanding
> > intellectual could possibly call someone else an *idiot*...
> 
> Only an upstanding intellectual could call somebody a "nobody Jew".
> 
> > ...I wish I had that ability.
> 
> Obviously, you do.
> 
> > What qualifications do you possess that lets you
> > pontificate the word idiot onto other people?
> 
> What qualifications (besides, that is, being a racist and bigot) do you
> possess that lets you call other people "nobody Jews"?
> 
I suggest you read the entire debate first, he keeps referring to NZ as
the land of the unexceptional, writing in large cities means greater
validity, remote NZ, and so forth.  He believes (incorrectly) that he
rates, I am being sarcastic in calling him nobody, a detail you frequently
forget.  Though this is expected when you keep demostrating your reading
comprehension in front of a public audience. 

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Simple Norwegian lass jumps to McKinstry's defense.
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:17:57 +0100
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> >: Now, if its 'proof' that you want, take up a good old national
> >: geographic, or watch the discovery channel and look up the physiologie
> >: and bone sturcture of these individuals.  You will find them quite
> >: different from us "white folks"..
> 
> >I think his intentions where to make it easy for simple minded people to 
> >understand. However if this does not convince you, you can learn how to 
> >or find someone who knows how to read a forensic report. Then study the 
> >one done on the early Egyptians, you will find that they show the most of 
> >the Egyptian citizens of the middle to early dynasties where white.
> >The bones don't lie (jewish professors do)! btw, for those of you 
> >wondering, yes... you can determine race from skeletal remains, ask 
> >anyone who knows something about forensics.
> 
> And whence did those "white" Egyptians come? Whither did they go? And why 
> do they look so black to me? Btw, I think that much of present-day 
> Norwegians look pretty un-"Aryan" to me, so that may have confused you 
> (dark and short). 
> 
One of life's mysteries.  I've a got a few theories, as do most other
people when it comes to the origins of ancient Egypt.  You must surely
realize that civilization came to ancient Egypt extremely quickly.  Which
would indicate that the people came from outside Egypt.  It also happens
to be a strong defensible position military, as well as providing access
to two seas.  The people that migrated there must have thought of its
position quite thoroughly.

> >Its amazing how things that are so easly verified go un-checked.
> 
> Like 18th C. drawings of that most famous early sculpture in Egypt, The 
> Sphinx.
>
How does the Sphinx support your argument? It doesn't have a single negro
feature.
 
> >McKinstry,  my hats off to you, your quality posts are one of the reasons 
> >I still wade the growing amount of garbage posts in this group.
> 
> Now I understand why the Norwegians had to rely on Icelanders to compose 
> all their poetry and write all their history. No taste nor critical faculty.
> 
No doubt you've not bothered to investigate this.  One may assume the
Christendom played some effect, also the Skalds probably like the Celtic
bards disdained from writing their works down.  Such obviousness is
sometimes overlooked.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >: Now, if its 'proof' that you want, take up a good old national
> >: geographic, or watch the discovery channel and look up the physiologie
> >: and bone sturcture of these individuals.  You will find them quite
> >: different from us "white folks"..
> 
> >I think his intentions where to make it easy for simple minded people to 
> >understand. However if this does not convince you, you can learn how to 
> >or find someone who knows how to read a forensic report. Then study the 
> >one done on the early Egyptians, you will find that they show the most of 
> >the Egyptian citizens of the middle to early dynasties where white.
> >The bones don't lie (jewish professors do)! btw, for those of you 
> >wondering, yes... you can determine race from skeletal remains, ask 
> >anyone who knows something about forensics.
> 
> And whence did those "white" Egyptians come? Whither did they go? And why 
> do they look so black to me? Btw, I think that much of present-day 
> Norwegians look pretty un-"Aryan" to me, so that may have confused you 
> (dark and short). 
> 
One of life's mysteries.  I've a got a few theories, as do most other
people when it comes to the origins of ancient Egypt.  You must surely
realize that civilization came to ancient Egypt extremely quickly.  Which
would indicate that the people came from outside Egypt.  It also happens
to be a strong defensible position military, as well as providing access
to two seas.  The people that migrated there must have thought of its
position quite thoroughly.

> >Its amazing how things that are so easly verified go un-checked.
> 
> Like 18th C. drawings of that most famous early sculpture in Egypt, The 
> Sphinx.
>
How does the Sphinx support your argument? It doesn't have a single negro
feature.
 
> >McKinstry,  my hats off to you, your quality posts are one of the reasons 
> >I still wade the growing amount of garbage posts in this group.
> 
> Now I understand why the Norwegians had to rely on Icelanders to compose 
> all their poetry and write all their history. No taste nor critical faculty.
> 
No doubt you've not bothered to investigate this.  One may assume the
Christendom played some effect, also the Skalds probably like the Celtic
bards disdained from writing their works down.  Such obviousness is
sometimes overlooked.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Thanks for the mammaries, Jeannie...
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> ... but you're just an idiot.  I mean, it was fun while it lasted, but
> you're starting to get repititious, going in circles.  It starts off with
> you going gung-ho against anyone you perceive as "racist", turning on the
> waterworks when they point out (correctly) that you're full of it, then
> getting haughty and rebellious when it's pointed out that you're spamming
> the board with tales of your personal life that we really couldn't care
> less about.  If you break out of this predictable cycle, I may start
> speaking to you again, but frankly, I don't see how someone of your VAST
> (bwahahaha!) talents could do that.
> 
> Les
> 
The most probable reason why Jeannie has given a rendition of her personal
life, is that she has nothing else to offer, all her stances against
racism have long since been demolished, yet she feels, she must contribute
against the growing tide of racist sentiment.  The most common way (and
only way) for a liberal to have a hope in winning an argument is to bore
the recipient into submission.  This action we have now both witnessed in
Jeannie.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Rosenberg and bestiality
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:34:38 +0100
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In article <438l73$1f6u@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, jhan@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca
(Jeff Han) wrote:

> bn861@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sylvie Charbonneau) writes:
> 
> 
> >Jeepers, that's two messages I find Rosenberg mentioning having sexual
> >relations with animals.  Sounds to me like he's a bit obscessed about
> >bestiality.  What do you think a (jewish) psychologist or therapist would
> >say about that?  "You seem to have this fascination about sexual
> >intercourse with animals, Joel.  Tell me about your mother..."
> 
>   "You seem to have a multiple-personality disorder, Less.  Tell me about your
> relations with your mother and/or sister..."
> 
>   Oh, I see- `you' don't think that Joel is going about his "obsession"
in the  right way.  You want to bring your own experience on the matter of
animal-fetish
> -es to bear...
> 
> >--
> >Sylvie Charbonneau
> 
>   JeFf hAN

I wouldn't argue with Jeff Han about beastility Sylvie, he's already
bragged that he reads alt.sex.sheep, which would make him an expert (an
assumption).  Notice how defensive he was with Joel, prehaps there's a
connection...

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: BEND OVER, REVEREND RON
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:08:06 +0100
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> >> In my last post when I wrote about taking Reuben and Mckinstry out in the
> >> woods and CORNHOLING the hell out of them, i forgot to mention Rev Ron.
> >> Bend over, Reverend, I'm gonna stick you now.
> >
> >I can't speak for the others, but if you tried it on me I would simply
> >kill you.  
> >
> >Cailean.
> >
> >P.S Try as you might, I never made a death threat on you.
> 
> Unlike some of cry babies and the WP side, I'm not goingworry about death 
> threats! Don't worry, no lawsuits or postmaster mail's coming your way!
> Lighten up and bend over for my dog, Daniel, WP boy!
> 
How did you train your dog, on yourself?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >: Now, if its 'proof' that you want, take up a good old national
> >: geographic, or watch the discovery channel and look up the physiologie
> >: and bone sturcture of these individuals.  You will find them quite
> >: different from us "white folks"..
> 
> >I think his intentions where to make it easy for simple minded people to 
> >understand. However if this does not convince you, you can learn how to 
> >or find someone who knows how to read a forensic report. Then study the 
> >one done on the early Egyptians, you will find that they show the most of 
> >the Egyptian citizens of the middle to early dynasties where white.
> >The bones don't lie (jewish professors do)! btw, for those of you 
> >wondering, yes... you can determine race from skeletal remains, ask 
> >anyone who knows something about forensics.
> 
> And whence did those "white" Egyptians come? Whither did they go? And why 
> do they look so black to me? Btw, I think that much of present-day 
> Norwegians look pretty un-"Aryan" to me, so that may have confused you 
> (dark and short). 
> 
One of life's mysteries.  I've a got a few theories, as do most other
people when it comes to the origins of ancient Egypt.  You must surely
realize that civilization came to ancient Egypt extremely quickly.  Which
would indicate that the people came from outside Egypt.  It also happens
to be a strong defensible position military, as well as providing access
to two seas.  The people that migrated there must have thought of its
position quite thoroughly.

> >Its amazing how things that are so easly verified go un-checked.
> 
> Like 18th C. drawings of that most famous early sculpture in Egypt, The 
> Sphinx.
>
How does the Sphinx support your argument? It doesn't have a single negro
feature.
 
> >McKinstry,  my hats off to you, your quality posts are one of the reasons 
> >I still wade the growing amount of garbage posts in this group.
> 
> Now I understand why the Norwegians had to rely on Icelanders to compose 
> all their poetry and write all their history. No taste nor critical faculty.
> 
No doubt you've not bothered to investigate this.  One may assume the
Christendom played some effect, also the Skalds probably like the Celtic
bards disdained from writing their works down.  Such obviousness is
sometimes overlooked.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >: Now, if its 'proof' that you want, take up a good old national
> >: geographic, or watch the discovery channel and look up the physiologie
> >: and bone sturcture of these individuals.  You will find them quite
> >: different from us "white folks"..
> 
> >I think his intentions where to make it easy for simple minded people to 
> >understand. However if this does not convince you, you can learn how to 
> >or find someone who knows how to read a forensic report. Then study the 
> >one done on the early Egyptians, you will find that they show the most of 
> >the Egyptian citizens of the middle to early dynasties where white.
> >The bones don't lie (jewish professors do)! btw, for those of you 
> >wondering, yes... you can determine race from skeletal remains, ask 
> >anyone who knows something about forensics.
> 
> And whence did those "white" Egyptians come? Whither did they go? And why 
> do they look so black to me? Btw, I think that much of present-day 
> Norwegians look pretty un-"Aryan" to me, so that may have confused you 
> (dark and short). 
> 
One of life's mysteries.  I've a got a few theories, as do most other
people when it comes to the origins of ancient Egypt.  You must surely
realize that civilization came to ancient Egypt extremely quickly.  Which
would indicate that the people came from outside Egypt.  It also happens
to be a strong defensible position military, as well as providing access
to two seas.  The people that migrated there must have thought of its
position quite thoroughly.

> >Its amazing how things that are so easly verified go un-checked.
> 
> Like 18th C. drawings of that most famous early sculpture in Egypt, The 
> Sphinx.
>
How does the Sphinx support your argument? It doesn't have a single negro
feature.
 
> >McKinstry,  my hats off to you, your quality posts are one of the reasons 
> >I still wade the growing amount of garbage posts in this group.
> 
> Now I understand why the Norwegians had to rely on Icelanders to compose 
> all their poetry and write all their history. No taste nor critical faculty.
> 
No doubt you've not bothered to investigate this.  One may assume the
Christendom played some effect, also the Skalds probably like the Celtic
bards disdained from writing their works down.  Such obviousness is
sometimes overlooked.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> > Ilya Ehrendburg, a communist among communists, played neither a large
> nor
> > minor role on the hatred which 150 million Russians rightly had for Nazi
> > Germany who invaded their country and got as far as east as Stalingrad. 
> > That is, the Germans actually drove further east than the center of
> > population.  
> 
> 
> > So your opinion is worth more than those that specified Ehrenburg as a
> > propagandist, or is it that you are ignorant to what a propagandist is?
> 
> My opinion is not only worth more than Nazi tract writers in remote New
> Zealand, but is invariably better informed and read.
> 
Pity you have the typical reading comprehension of a liberal.  Otherwise
you would have noticed it wasn't my opinion, but of other more reputable
people than yourself.

> McKinstry, it is so nice of you to point that a Stalinist-era journalist
> (even one with a Jewish name) was a propagandist. You're  telling _ME_
> Soviet history?  You're out of your league, squirt.  I'm 50 years old and
> I remember a lot of Soviet history first hand.  All Stalin-era writers,
> especially "journalists", toed the party line to the letter.  Yes, Ilya
> Ehrenberg was a Soviet communist propagandist among Soviet communist
> propagandists. 
> 
> You really need to learn about World War II.  
>
I'll be the first to agree with you.  Compared to other historical times,
my WWII knowledge is vague.  However, that is why I talk to RSA members,
you know people that were actually there, some of them aren't even New
Zealanders...
Some of them would consider yourself to be in swaddling clothes as well. 
But be as arrogant as you want, it only makes it that much easier to
ridicule you.
 
> The Germans had almost completely overrun European Russia by the time they
> reached Stalingrad.  Every living Russian wanted to EAT a German for
> lunch.  You are comical if you think one writer (correction: one atheist
> writer with a Jewish name) out of thousands _made_ them bloodthirsty. 
> They had sufficient motivation just from looking at the dead bodies around
> themselves. Every Russian I have known (they are numerous in the big
> cities of the U.S.) who was alive then has told me about stepping over
> bodies in the winter, and what's they all remember the most.  
> 
> Who would need exhortations to want to kill every German that existed?
>
Not all countries behaved as the Red Army did, but then you should know
this, still you're fifty, and some of these articles were written in your
time.  Obviously you like to be blissfully unaware of certain details... 
 
>  I have taken up your idiotic claim about the "influence" of Nadezhda
> Alliluyev (Stalin's Jewish wife  in another thread).
> 
And you will defeated there.  Keep trying, one day you might succeed.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> Proof: try to finger him on his domain.
> 
> 
> Elias
> --
> "Das habe ich getan," sagt mein Gedaechtnis.  "Das kann ich nicht getan 
> haben" - sagt mein Stoltz und bleibt unerbittlich.  Endlich - gibt das 
> Gedaechtnis nach.
>                         J.v.G.u.B., 68

Ha ha.

Thanks for this, just when I thought all liberals were boring people and
that you shouldn't attend their parties, we get this.  I'll try to
remember this post next time I accuse liberal posts of being boring.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : There seems to be some dispute over whether a certain book of mine exists,
> : namely: Medieval Europe A Short History by Charles Warren Hollister, a
> : reasonably famous historian.  Whether the name is misspelt by the accuser
> : when he typed this name into the Library of Congress and AUCAT Australia,
> : or I've got the title wrong is irrelevant.  This accuser has done great
> : injustice by suggesting that Charles Warren Hollister is a "fringe"
> : historian.  It could be that this accuser, who has been repeatly warned,
> : is trying to appear intellectual by being pedantic.  Now he has once again
> : made himself into a pratting fool.  As for the book itself, the accuser
> : has once again blundered, this so called fringe text is still one of the
> : proscribed texts for HIST 101 at the University of Otago.  
> 
> Why does the University of Otago prohibit his book to first year students if
> he is so well regarded?
> 
> d.A.

Well look at this, another jester.  On what grounds did I state that the
University of Otago prohibit the book to first year students?

This has got to the best example of a liberals reading comprehension to
date. You don't mind if I keep this as a reference? Thanks in advance.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : author. There are six citations in AUCAT for Charles Warren Hollister:
> 
> :        HOLLISTER C WARREN CHARLES WARREN 1930
> :     1   ANGLO SAXON MILITARY INSTITUTIONS ON THE EVE <1962>  (GL)
> :     2   IMPACT OF THE NORMAN CONQUEST <1969>  (GL)
> :     3   MILITARY ORGANISATION OF NORMAN ENGLAND <1965>  (GL)
> :     4   MONARCHY MAGNATES AND INSTITUTIONS IN THE AN <1986>  (GL)
> :     5   RISE AND DEVELOPMENT OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION <1967>  (GL)
> :     6   TWELFTH CENTURY RENAISSANCE <1969>  (GL)
> 
> : Quite obviously, none of these is "Medieval Europe A Short History".
>
Did I happen to mention University of Otago, instead of the University of
Auckland?   

> It was probably just a short brochure he wrote for the International
> Nazi and Knuckle-dragger Society.
> 
>  - Bearcat

I was told that it was racists that were supposed to be ignorant.  Seems
the liberals are trying to win the ignorance race.  Don't mind me if you
succeed.  If you enjoy being ignorant, and are proud in showing it, thing
go ahead with my blessings.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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>         [blah blah blah]
> 
> > thus you are wrong.  They completely ignore the fact that the other
> > 10,999,999 are black.  Thus if you stated that blacks cause most of the
> > crime, then they go to great length to find some that don't.  What I was
> > waiting for was to find some liberals quoting big brained negroes.  Maybe
> > they haven't looked at 11,000,000 black's brains.
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Maybe it's time one of you non-"liberals" gave us some sources for your
> scientific "facts". For instance, who looked at those 11 million "black"
> brains?

I wouldn't have a clue if anybody has looked at 11,000,000 black's
brains.  Someone obviously collected enough data to establish the albino
raven.  It's a play on sarcasm, liberals enjoy finding exceptions, I'm
surprized they haven't quoted all the blacks that have the same brain size
as an average European.  Seeing as they haven't I decided that may not
have looked at enough black's brains.
 
> You rednecks enjoy tossing numbers and figures about, but I have yet to see
> the names of your some sources. Or maybe your "facts" drifted in on a white
> cloud?
> 
What for, the albino raven?  Most Encyclopedias/Zoology books (on ravens,
not Mickey Mouse) mention it.  Anything else I wrote was sarcastic.
> > 
> > Cailean.
> > 
> > -- 
> > "Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one
among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the
precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all
in its lair!  Use force and break the raci> al pride of the Germanic
women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill,
you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
> >    -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Why do you rednecks always do what you can to prove crud like the above is 
> correct?
> 
Whats the lingo with rednecks? I remember seeing some posts some weeks
back about it, but they didn't interest me.  Is this some sort of
derogatry remark about farmers, as with electricians (sparky)?  Or is this
a liberal thing to criticise anyone that actually does some work, rather
than laze around all day like liberals do?

You last sentence is too weak to bother answering.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : There seems to be some dispute over whether a certain book of mine exists,
> : namely: Medieval Europe A Short History by Charles Warren Hollister, a
> : reasonably famous historian.  Whether the name is misspelt by the accuser
> : when he typed this name into the Library of Congress and AUCAT Australia,
> : or I've got the title wrong is irrelevant.  This accuser has done great
> : injustice by suggesting that Charles Warren Hollister is a "fringe"
> : historian.  It could be that this accuser, who has been repeatly warned,
> : is trying to appear intellectual by being pedantic.  Now he has once again
> : made himself into a pratting fool.  As for the book itself, the accuser
> : has once again blundered, this so called fringe text is still one of the
> : proscribed texts for HIST 101 at the University of Otago.  
> 
> Why does the University of Otago prohibit his book to first year students if
> he is so well regarded?
> 
> d.A.

Well look at this, another jester.  On what grounds did I state that the
University of Otago prohibit the book to first year students?

This has got to the best example of a liberals reading comprehension to
date. You don't mind if I keep this as a reference? Thanks in advance.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : author. There are six citations in AUCAT for Charles Warren Hollister:
> 
> :        HOLLISTER C WARREN CHARLES WARREN 1930
> :     1   ANGLO SAXON MILITARY INSTITUTIONS ON THE EVE <1962>  (GL)
> :     2   IMPACT OF THE NORMAN CONQUEST <1969>  (GL)
> :     3   MILITARY ORGANISATION OF NORMAN ENGLAND <1965>  (GL)
> :     4   MONARCHY MAGNATES AND INSTITUTIONS IN THE AN <1986>  (GL)
> :     5   RISE AND DEVELOPMENT OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION <1967>  (GL)
> :     6   TWELFTH CENTURY RENAISSANCE <1969>  (GL)
> 
> : Quite obviously, none of these is "Medieval Europe A Short History".
>
Did I happen to mention University of Otago, instead of the University of
Auckland?   

> It was probably just a short brochure he wrote for the International
> Nazi and Knuckle-dragger Society.
> 
>  - Bearcat

I was told that it was racists that were supposed to be ignorant.  Seems
the liberals are trying to win the ignorance race.  Don't mind me if you
succeed.  If you enjoy being ignorant, and are proud in showing it, thing
go ahead with my blessings.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
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>         [blah blah blah]
> 
> > thus you are wrong.  They completely ignore the fact that the other
> > 10,999,999 are black.  Thus if you stated that blacks cause most of the
> > crime, then they go to great length to find some that don't.  What I was
> > waiting for was to find some liberals quoting big brained negroes.  Maybe
> > they haven't looked at 11,000,000 black's brains.
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Maybe it's time one of you non-"liberals" gave us some sources for your
> scientific "facts". For instance, who looked at those 11 million "black"
> brains?

I wouldn't have a clue if anybody has looked at 11,000,000 black's
brains.  Someone obviously collected enough data to establish the albino
raven.  It's a play on sarcasm, liberals enjoy finding exceptions, I'm
surprized they haven't quoted all the blacks that have the same brain size
as an average European.  Seeing as they haven't I decided that may not
have looked at enough black's brains.
 
> You rednecks enjoy tossing numbers and figures about, but I have yet to see
> the names of your some sources. Or maybe your "facts" drifted in on a white
> cloud?
> 
What for, the albino raven?  Most Encyclopedias/Zoology books (on ravens,
not Mickey Mouse) mention it.  Anything else I wrote was sarcastic.
> > 
> > Cailean.
> > 
> > -- 
> > "Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one
among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the
precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all
in its lair!  Use force and break the raci> al pride of the Germanic
women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill,
you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
> >    -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Why do you rednecks always do what you can to prove crud like the above is 
> correct?
> 
Whats the lingo with rednecks? I remember seeing some posts some weeks
back about it, but they didn't interest me.  Is this some sort of
derogatry remark about farmers, as with electricians (sparky)?  Or is this
a liberal thing to criticise anyone that actually does some work, rather
than laze around all day like liberals do?

You last sentence is too weak to bother answering.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:39:57 +1200
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> The Sub-genius (laramary@er6.rutgers.edu) wrote:
> 
> :       It's frightening to me.  It really is.  Nothing has changed here.
> 
> Welcome back, sub, my man.
> 
>  - Bearcat

Yes your completely right Sub-genius, bearcat is a prime example of the
ignorant (see his reply under Books...).  The liberals are as ignorant (if
not more so) than when you left.  Why did you go away?  Barbie Doll
convention?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
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> They sure seem to love fantasizing about going over "racists" with torture
> implements... wonder how many of them I'd find over on alt.sex.fetish.S&M?
> 
Nah, I'd imagine its something to do with sheep, Jeff Han for example has
boasted of his readings in alt.sex.sheep.  Mike Beebe has boasted about
the fact that he knows which end of a sheep to use and Rob Carscadden has
been training his dog to go up the sewer (dogs are often used to round up
sheep).  Sylvie noticed Joel Rosenberg's obsession with animals as well. 
Perhaps they thought I was serious when I said I had a sheep legion?  Its
amazing to discover liberal thought processes sometimes...

How they connect torture implements and sheep together I'm not sure. 
Perhaps they don't realize you don't brand sheep as you do with cattle
(the branding iron).

My two cents anyway.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: EXAMPLE OF KIWI "ACADEMIA"- Gentile monster has Jewish wife.
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> > Obviously you must be highly qualified, calling someone stupid, only
> > intelligent people can do that.
> 
> Obviously McKinstry must be highly bigoted, calling someone a "nobody
Jew". Only
> bigoted people would do that.
> 
> Posted and emailed.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                                   jeff_brown@pol.com
>  "What's going to happen?"   "Something wonderful..."   -- '2010'

Jeffrey thinks he's onto a winner folks.  Still, Jeffrey has been
frequently abused by sarcasm and has never noticed it (poor reading
comprehension).  Therefore he is unlikely to recognize sarcasm used on
others.  I'm counting the days until Jeffrey finally comrehends these
words, and then I'll use it as a gauge for other liberals.  We'll finally
know how long it takes the average liberal to learn anything new.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: COLON THE BONEHEAD (was Re: The ONLY liberal big gun... (was: For anyone who's interested...))
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:04:21 +1300
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> > > > Excuse me? Colon, have you forgotten that I archive my posts? Damn it, I
> > > > put you my killfile collection the last time you "yawned off" in hopes
> > > > that I'd never have to read any more of your bullshit. Why did you
have to
> > > > flat-out lie about what I wrote? For the record, I am pasting the post
> > > > that will show what a lying bonehead YOU really are. BTW, the word is
> > > > spelled 'congratulations,' Mr. Studier of Fourth Year Graduate
Textbooks.
> > > > 
> > > Obviously you have a lousy killfile.
> > 
> > My killfile is fine; however, I just caught you quoting me out of context
> > to ibokor.
> > 
> > > > Here it is folks:
> > > >
> > > > How's this for an answer: If literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of
> > > > intelligence, then you are a bonehead; but if literacy, spelling and
> > > > grammar are not signs of intelligence, then you are an uncaring
slob. You
> > > > fail either way, Colin! Is this the answer you were expecting?
> > > >
> > > And there we have it, no lying by Jeannie.  You see Jeannie, you implied
> > > that if literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of intelligence; then
> > > those that can't are a bonehead.  You used me as an example.  Therefore, I
> > > take it fully within my right to quote you. 
> > 
> > Colon my answer refered only to you. You are the bonehead and/or uncaring
> > slob, and a loser either way. YOU ARE. I was not using you as an example.
> > YOU ARE THE BONEHEAD! YOU ARE THE UNCARING SLOB! YOU ARE THE LOSER!
> > 
> > Do you understand now?
> >
> I'm sorry, but only illogical people wouldn't be able to make this fit the
> other people.  A(literacy, spelling and grammar) => E(Cailean(bonehead)) ^
>         /A(literacy, spelling and grammar) => E(Cailean(uncaring slob)).
> => means unification, / means not, E(x) means there exists some x. 
> However there is no clause to stop A(x) in your arguments.  No
> specification, therefore by logical deduction:
>       A(literacy, spelling and grammar) => E(bonehead) ^
>      /A(literacy, spelling and grammar) => E(uncaring clob).
>  
> A(x) means, for all x. ^ means and.
> 
> Cut it any way you like, I can from your argument specify that other
> people fit E(bonehead) or E(uncaring slob).  No unification rule prevents
> me from adding more E(x) clauses. Which is grounded from your argument.
> 
> You made the statement.
> 
Pity no liberal noticed the ^ should be a v as in or.  Just goes to show
that liberals can't formulate logic I guess.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >> You know, sometimes I just sit here with wide-eyed amazement that
somebody so 
> >> mind-numbingly, monumentally stupid as McKinistry could exist. I'm all
> >for him 
> >> carrying on posting his moronic "logic" and theories - it's more likely to 
> >> deter people than convert them. Carry on, Colin! The anti-Nazis need you.
> >>  
> >You know, sometimes I just sit here with wide-eyed amazement that somebody
> >actually thinks that this is an effective attack.  Could you please take
> >up debating? Your post isn't even worth the effort in counterattacking.
> 
> Aww ... poor Colin doesn't like being derided anymore, the poor thing, 
> and wants us to start debating.
> 
So you think the above attack was effective?

> Tell you what, Colin.  Why don't you set a good example and be a good 
> sport and start coming up with some support for your wild claims.  Then 
> we can have a great debate.
> 
> Elias

What would be great would be to actually see a liberal present something. 
You know in debating, both sides actually presents cases?  

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> > And they did miscegenate in
> > today's Latin America.  Spain also exiled the Jews (except for
> converts),
> > so why is this being disputed? 
> > Do you Jews realize who the chief
> > Inquisitors were, and say proudly to Ben, see we weren't exiled or
> > something? 
> 
> The Inquisition --- the Auto da Fe --- ("act of faith", old style) was
> admiminstered by the Christian church.  Torquemada, chief inquisitor at
> the time of Columbus, is believed to have been a Jewish convert to
> Christianity.  It's questionable that he was a marano, meaning that was
> not recognized as a Jew then or now.  
> 
Anyone with Jew blood is a Jew. For example you call yourself a Jew, yet
you're an atheist.

> What does Spanish activity in the colonies --- miscegination is your term
> --- have to do with Spain at home?  Considering that (1) Spain, a country
> which exiled its Jews went to hell in a handbasket at home, despite a New
> World of wealth and opportunity, and (2) several Latin American nations,
> including the one in which the most "miscegination" took place have large
> populations which are wealthier than your little sheep herd of a country,
> it seems as if you have your priorities reversed. You're like a homeless
> bum standing outside somebody's house on a cold night and yelling, "You
> miserable Jews."   
> 

I've long since said New Zealand is becoming a third world country.  Do
you realize that in 1957 New Zealand was rated as the third richest
country in the world?  What happened?  In the 1960s we brought in the
Polynesian.  Auckland is "proudly" known as the Polynesian capital of the
world.  How do you expect New Zealand to prosper with such a burden?

Still the average Kiwi is richer than the average Latin American in any
country of those countries.  There are still enough whites (in NZ) that
can generate income for all the other parasites (Jews included) to keep
the country afloat.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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wannabe Herostratus wrote:
> > I have received e-mail from several New Zealanders who claim that they
> > cannot locate you on either the faculty or in the student body at the U.
> > of Aukland.  (Their intent seems to be to make you famous at home.)  So,
> > is it that you're not even good enough for the prestigious University of
> > Aukland, and that your BSc is from some agricultural institution in a
> > **real** backwater, far from cosmopolitan Aukland?  Or is it that you
> are
> > an employee of the U. of Aukland serving in some non-faculty role such
> as
> > the groundskeepers' staff, or faculty gofer?  
>  
> : Ha ha, the system I'm on refuses to allow such interference.  All you
> can
> : do is speculate.  You should talk to some of your jewish compatriots to
> : see if I my mailing address actually exists.  Also, there is something
> : known in New Zealand as the privacy act, which most New Zealanders
> : (especially Students since its been widely promoted there) know. 
> : Therefore I can freely say you're bullshitting.  These New Zealanders
> : couldn't find anything out about me, unless expressly stated that I
> wanted
> : them too, to you comprehend?  In fact, if they did find any information
> : out about me, I'd like to know their names, so I can sue them for
> : everything they've got.
>   
> Well, if they succeed, I guess you'll find out whether it was bullshit! 
> By the way, at 4 pm, Sunday afternoon (2300 GMT, Sunday, or 11 am, Monday
> in New Zealand), I was able to get the phone number of one of my contacts,
> who is also in university, from the international operator in New Zealand,
> and have called him. We chatted for 45 minutes. 
> 
So you finally worked out how to make an international telephone call. 
Guess liberals can learn anything if they have the motivation.  There are
also around 20,000 students at the University of Auckland.  I keep a low
profile, your contact is going to have to search a lot of faculties and a
lot of people.

> According to my sources, your written speech on Internet is not protected
> by New Zealand law, although there are some conflicting copyright claims
> in Commonwealth countries, and certainly isn't protected in the United
> States of America.  In short, sport, no claims of your confidentiality are
> worth shit here!  If you want to come up here to litigate it, I shall be
> pleased to meet you personally.
>
I wasn't talking about my written speech, it was to do with confidential
material, no organization is allowed to give out information about myself,
without my express permission.  Therefore your friends are pissing into
the wind, the University of Auckland would not give out any information
about myself, or other students.
 
> Also according to my sources, some of your stuff was already given to a
> radio talk show host in Aukland and they already monitor this
> (alt.revisionism) and other newsgroups where you write.  Don't believe me
> if you don't want.  
> 
Ha ha, I won't believe it, your sources are bogus.  I have friends
throughout the country that listen to the various radio talk shows.  I
have been on the radio recently, but it was to do with an advertisement
against smoking (severely edited, I basically said I couldn't careless).

> What's the worst that can happen?  You could be driven out of your home
> and place where you grew up by your outraged neighbors?  Hmm, maybe there
> is a god!  
>
My neighbours wouldn't even try, I don't live at home.  Your attacks are
pretty flimsy, especially the talk shows.  I do realize the flavour of the
month in the propaganda against the internet is "net nazis" but their
articles are at best, nothing worth smiling about.  Also I'd doubt whether
anything I present is newsworthy to a radio station.  It's not dramatised
enough.  Though you can keep the sense of grandeur going if you wish,
"wow, look I'm on the radio, ooh!, I'm so excited"  <-- is this the type
of action you were expecting?
 
> Please be sure and tell your lawyer I said the above, and also tell him
> that I have also made lewd suggestions about your parents that are read by
> people all over the world!   
> 
Aha, like I really care.  You may have an ego problem with pride, I
certainly don't.  You should note I have only one parent, my mother was
slowly killed by Jews.

> If I find out who you really are, I plan to pass it on to my sources, and
> I also plan to find out more about your local talk show.  Be on the listen
> for a caller with an American accent, Rectaltract!  Your stuff has been
> archived here for some time.  
>
Whatever, though I doubt a radio station would be interested in you.  As
for my stuff being archived, Jeannie has been doing that for a long time. 
You aren't presenting anything new.  You can keep achiving my material, it
won't do you any good, I really don't give a shit about public opinion. 
Which is what you are trying to do isn't it?  Make me shut my mouth
because of public pressure?  
   
> > BTW, common etiquette specifies that you tell me yours, before I tell
> you
> > mine. I did not ask for yours, therefore by common etiquette, you should
> > state yours first.  By etiquette I'm fully justified in calling you are
> > nobody, you refuse to give me any of your credentials that make you
> > (supposedly) a rational being.  Therefore I call you a wannabe
> > Herostratus.
> 
> Sure, squirt.  I'm 50 years old.  You have my correct name.  I have a
> company with 27 employees in Irvine, a few blocks from here (Costa Mesa)
> in the Los Angeles suburbs.  I have several engineering degrees.  I am
> described as extremely reserved and slow to anger, but committed to
> resolving problems to my satisfaction after my anger is aroused. I am
> defintely not known for shirking.  
> 
Thanks for the information.  You're older than me, I don't live in Los
Angeles (and never plan too). I've already stated my degree enough times
(though I fail to see it's relevance, I could whip liberals butts without
a degree).  As far as anger goes, I get angry really quickly.  I'm also
built like a brickshit house, so people tend to vacate the area when I'm
angry.  I love to argue, and consider it to be my favourite pastime.  I
don't give a shit what other people think of me, so I've never bothered to
listen to their complaints/compliments.  My friends like me (goes without
saying), they know however, that I will be bluntly honest to their face,
if I don't like something about them.

As for rectaltract, that really refers to either Jeff Han or Mike Beebe,
as they have a fascination (or maybe a fetish) there.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >There seems to be some sentiment against my posting of the celebrated
> >Jewish Journalist Llya Ehrenburg, well lets see what kind of influence the
> >journalist bore on the Red Army.
> 
> >Caution is advised for those with weak stomach, the following is truely
> >horrific:
> 
> Certainly was. Source?
> 
So sorry, forgot to include it with the original post.  The account of the
murders is given by Leonora Geier who was born a Brazilian-German
citizen.  This account first appeared in the German Newspaper 'Deutsche
National Zeitung'. No 17-65.p7.  The translation was by Trutz Foelsche
Ph.D, physicist of the space program.  

The story has never been disputed either.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> Well Rev. Ron, you know that I don't believe in religion. I hope you can
> respect that. I have a request. I know I am a sinner as all men are
> sinners. Therefore would you pray for me? Also, Lester is in the same
> boat. Could you pray for him too?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Steve Garza

Why would Ron want to pray for you, you're a half breed?  

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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These words are from Richard Porter in his pamphlet "Roots of Evil
Legalized Thieves : The Banks", 
"           THE REAL REASON FOR COLOURED MIGRATION INTO BRITAIN
The reality is that the Gangster Bankers who created and financed
Communism also control the 'British' Parliment from behind the scenes. 
The House of Commons is no more than a House of Traitors.  For years
politicians of all parties have furthered the plans and ambitions of the
Money Power, not looked after the interests of the British people.  There
could be no more clear evidence of this than Coloured Immigration.
   Against the wishes of the indigenous British people and in a manner
which can only be described as treasonable, an estimated 10 million
racially unassimilable aliens have been brought into our already
overcrowded island.  The incomers include: West Indians, Africans,
Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Iranians, Vietnamese, Tamilis,
Philippinos, Arabs, Egyptians, Indonesians, Malaysians, South and Central
Americans, Chinese, Greek and Turkish Cypriots, etc., not to mention vast
numbers of 'nearly-Whites' from southern Europe.  Now we face the prospect
of further millions from Hong Kong - and Turkey, if Turkey's application
to join the 'European' Common Market is successful.  The hostilities which
these various ethnic groups bear for us, the 'host' community is often
only exceeded by the imported ancestral hatreds which they nurture for
each other.
   Why is this being done to our country?  Because the almighty
International Bankers -- Rothschilds, Warburgs, Rockefellers and their
associates have decided that all the peoples of the world are going to
have a World Government imposed on them whether they like or not, and
breaking down the identities of the various sovereign nations is best
achieved by mixing the populations.  As the pro-World Government spokesman
Rabbi Abraham Feinberg put it: "One World -- One Race: the deliberate
encouragement of inter-racial marriage."
   Britain has been selected by the Bankers to ne their first victim in
the context of the Common Market and other developing World Government
structures.  To ensure that the planned destruction of our nation is total
and permanent the Bankers have determined that our unique
Anglo-Saxon-Celtic people must be obliterated as a distinct ethnic group
by means of forced race-mixing with hordes of Blacks, Browns and Yellows
who are being deliberately brought into our country for this purpose.
   Eustace Mullins, in his book History of the Jews, quoted a speech by
Rabbi Rabinovitch in Budapest forty years ago, which shows clearly what
the intentions of the Jewish Bankers are: "Mixing the dark with the white
means an end of the White man ... thus the White Race will disappear and
our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory".
   The Politicians you vote for have been fully co-operating with the
Bankers in this strategy.  To speed up the process of the destruction and
decay of our race and nation and to create room for more new alien
immigrants, the British people are being deluged with mass media
propaganda to induce them to reduce their numbers by means of abortion,
sterilization, vasectomy and contraception.  Remember that mass media
hacks, like Parlimentary politicians, are simply the obedient servants and
handsomely-paid hirelings of the International and Jewish Conspiracy.
   Our race and nation is being destroyed.  What are YOU doing about it? A
vote for any of the Parlimentary political parties is a vote of support
for the Satanic Bankers and the destruction of your own kind.
            
            RACE-MIXING IS DEADLIER THAN THE H-BOMB

In his book Deadlier Than The H-Bomb, Wing Commander Leonard Young states
that there are only two reasons for Coloured Immigration:
1. To pollute and destroy our race by mongrelization;
2. To provide degenerate urban mobs which can be used for revolutionary
purposes.
He clearly identified the real driving force behind the plan to destroy
Britain when he wrote: "The Banking System which was foisted on this
country in 1694 and during succeeding years over most of the world has
been the main means by which the Jews have brought misery and
impoverishment everywhere.  By their manipulation of finance they have
been the cause of most wars and economic and social troubles.  They have
been able to obtain control of governmentss and of the means of publicity
(Press, Radio, TV, Films, Publishing Houses, New Services, etc) and so
have been able to suppress the truth and propagate the lie.  This has
enabled them to fool and bully the people of the world into following the
most suicidal courses until the Jews are now in the position of expecting
to clamp final dominion upon the world by means of a supranational
organization and some form of irresistable world police force which they
would control."
   If you think we don't have censorship in Britain, try and buy a copy
"from any good bookshop" or borrow one from a public library.
   The United Nations is the prototype for World Government.  A prominent
Jew -- Harold Wallace Rosenthal -- wrote in his Confessions: "The U.N. is
nothing but a trap door to the Red world's immense concentration camp ..
We (i.e. the Jews) pretty much control the U.N."
   The U.N. has declared in its numerous conventions that there should be
international interbreeding and a uniform population.  Successive British
governments have supported these aims by subscribing to The Charter of the
United Nations.  This foundation document of the U.N. was for the most
part drafted by Alger Hiss, top foreigh policy adviser to President
Roosevelt.  Hiss was later convicted of being a key member of a Soviet spy
network in America.  Apart from Hiss and the man who exposed him, all of
the leading members of this network -- including the Soviet Embassy
officials who managed it -- were Jews.
  In 1912 Isreal Cohen wrote a book on Communist tactics entitled A Racial
Program for the Twentieth Century.  It haa proven to be prophetic:
"We must realusee that our Party's mst powerful weapon is racial tension. 
By pounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries
they have been oppressed by the Whites, we can mould them to our program. 
The terms 'colonialism' and 'imperialism' must be featured  in our
propaganda.  In America we will claim subtle victory.  While inflaming the
Negro minority against the Whites, we will endeavour to instil in the
Whites a guilt complex for exploiting the Negroes.  We will aid the
Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions
and in the world of sport and entertainment.  With the prestige, the
Negroes will be able to intermarry with the Whites and begin a process
which will deliver America (and Britain) to our cause."
   This is why our Banker-controlled TV and advertising industry are
working mightiliy to promote the Negro and why we now have Negroes and
Asiatics reading the 'news' and entertaining our children.  Just how
successful has all their propaganda been can be seen throughout Britain by
the increasing numbers of Britons rushing to commit racial suicide by
cohabiting with the dark races and producing mongrels.  Carried to
finality this means the permanent and irreversible destruction of Britain
and the British people, which is exactly what the Money Lords intend.

                     PLANS FORMULATED YEARS AGO  
The plans to promote racial chaos in the Gentile world were laid long
ago.  In 1850, Karl Marx (real name Moses Mordecai Levy) the son and
grandson of Jewish Rabbis, published his Communist Manifesto.  In this he
advocated the abolition of the family, countries and nationalities
together with "all religion" and "all morality".  Who can doubt that this
is now literally in process of fulfilment? The evidence is all around us
with Coloured Immigration and officially-encouraged mongrelisation.  The
massive assault on marriage and the family, and morality generally, by the
promotion of pornography, explicit sexual videos, sexual licencem a jungle
of cacophony that passes for 'music', and 'slip-slosh' 'daub-and-drivel'
that the gullible are persuaded is 'art' ... ad infinitum.
   In a letter to Karl Marx published in La Revue de Paris, the Jew Baruch
Levy wrote: "The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah.  It
will obtain world dominion by dissolution of other races, by the abolition
of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and the establishment of a
World Republic."
   This is now all very close to fulfillment.  The near complete success
of international Jewry's plan has been made possible by:
1. Their control of money.
2. Their control of the Media.
3.  Their ruthless exercise of the powers which go with Money and Media
control to stampede the masses and manipulate key individuals.
   Dr. Kurth Munzer, a Jew in his 'The Way to Zion' wrote: "We Jews have
spoiled the blood of all the races.  We have tarnished and broken their
power.  We have made everything foul, rotten, decomposed, decayed."

                  THE RACE LAWS
The Zionist Board of Deputies of British Jews formulated the 'Race Laws'
which now amend the Public Order Act and various other Statutes.  The
first Race Relations Bill was introduced into the House of Commons by the
Labour Attorney General, the immigrant Russian Jew Sir Frank Soskice, in
1965.  Draconian amendments to the Race Relations Act of 1976 (which, for
example, removed from the Crown the need to prove 'intent' in prosecutions
for 'Incitement to Racial Hatred') was passed in the House of Commons with
only 132 of the 625 Members being present.  It is well known that numerous
M.Ps are privately opposed to the Race Relations laaw but they were
terrified that if they went to the House and spoke up and voted against
the amendments they would be ...
1. Smeared in the Jewish-controlled mass media as being "racist", which
might deprive them of the votes of the ever-increasing 'ethnic minority'
communites and/or
2. Made targets of physical violeance by Jewish organised and funded
"anti-racialist/anti-Fascist" 'Rentamob' organisations, and/or
3. Deprived of funding and patronage -- personal as well aas political --
>from  Jewish sources ...
... so on that crucial occasion 80% of our M.Ps hid away in their funk
holes.  It is thanks to these craven traitors that the Jews are able to
make a farce of Parliment and get their way even aginst the wishes of the
vast majority of the British people.
   A subsequent series of amendments to the Act were introduced to the
House of Commons in 1986 by the Lithuanian Jew Home Secretary Leon
Britann(isky) -- now a European Community Commissioner.
   You may wonder why all the various ammedments to the Race Relations Act
have had such an extensive backing from the Home Office.  Quite apart from
the Jewisj Home Secretaries and campaigning by pressure groups such as the
Jewish Board of Deputies, there is the crucial factor of the
behind-the-scenes influence of Jewish Civil Servants -- onein particular
being Neville Nagler.
   Throughout the 1970s and 1980s Nagler was the head of the Home Office
Department responsible for race relations matters.  The Jewish Chronicle
has boasted of the influence of the Pinner, Middlesex, Synagogue
official.  It revealed that whenever a Cabinet Minister made a speech on
the subject of race relations, notes for the text were always drafted by
Nagler.  The J.C. also made it clear that Nagler regularly "liased" with
top officials of the Jewish Board of Deputies.  These reports only confirm
anti-Immigration campaigners' suspicions as to why the Board of Deputies
was so well-informed about their activities, personnel and personal
circumstances.  The Board often betrayed (through its subsidiary
organisations and publications, aaa well as through the boastful coloums
of the Jewish Chronicle) knowledge which could only have been gained
through official (i.e. Police/Special Branch/M.I.5) facilities.  The Home
Office, obviously, has right of access to these intelligence data sources.
   Patriots were given further grounds for consternation when it was
brayed in the J.C. early in 1991 that Nagler had retired from the Home
Office and had appointed fulltime paid Chief Executive of the Board of
Deputies of British Jews!
            RACE-MIXING: THE LESSON OF HISTORY SUPPRESSED
At the International Court of Justice The Hague on June 23rd 1965,
evidence was given relating to the impact of diverse ethnic groups upon
each other.  At this session Professor Van den Haag of New York University
stated unequivocally before the Court that it was a fact of history that
unregulated contact between ethnicgroups resulted in social
disorganisation and an increase in the crime rate.  Needless to say, this
warning placed before the World Court made the professor extremely
unpopular and received little publiclity.
   There is in fact clear evidence from history that the mixing of
different ethnic groups and alien elements with an established pure-bred
population played a part in the decline and eventual fall of all the great
empires and civilisations of history, one of the most recent examples
being that of Portugal.  Int the 15th and 16th centuries the Portuguese
were a race of navigators, explorers and adventurers.  They established
colonies in Asia, Africa and South America.  As a result, Portugal became
one of the wealthiest and most powerful nations in all Europe.  However in
1441, after the voyages of discovery down the coast of Africa, the first
Black slaves were imported into Portugal and within 100 years ten per cent
of the population was Black.  In the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia
Britannica -- before the Jewish distorters of history had intervened -- is
the following entry: "The Portuguese inter-married freely with their
slaves and this infusion of alien blood profoundly modified the character
and physique of the nation.  It may be said without exaggeration that the
Portuguese of the 17th and later centuries were two different races".
   The Portugal of today is backward and impoverished; it is a living
testimony  to what happens to a White country when its populaltion is
decimated by Blacks.  This crucial clue to an understanding of Portuguese
history has been blotted out of all modern history books.  No modern
encyclopaedia or history book mentions the impact of race-mixing on the
nation of Portugal.  History is not only being distorted, it is being
obliterated in order to hide from us the consequence of Coloured
Immigration.
         "MAKE RACISM A DIRTY WORD"
Our ancestors fought and died to keep the Spanish, the French and the
Germans out when they tried to invade our island home.  But the present
generation of Britons have been cowed into silence and inaction while the
biggest invasion in our history is taking place.  If our ancestors were to
return they would consider us all mad or stupid -- or traitors.  Half the
world would like to come to Britain, not just the 3,250,000 Chinese in
Hong Kong who are poised to flood in.  It is about time that our
contemptible bunch of politicians started to put British first in their
own country.  By using propaganda smear words like 'Racist' and 'Fascist',
the Banker-controlled media have brainwashed the British into remaining
passive and impotent while their race is destroyed and their country is
stolen from them.
   In 1922, the Bolshevik leader Selenkov stated in Moscow: "We must
create a climate of anti-nationalism and anti-racialism amongst Whites. 
We must reduce patriotism and pride of race to meaningless abstractions
and make racialism a dirty word".  How successful that plan has been!
   The British now shrink in fear of being called a 'racist'.  It is worse
than being called a thief.  Yet 'racism' is no more than another word for
patriotism -- a righteous cause for which millions have died.  To put
one's own kind first is a virtue not a crime.  It is the greatest of
crimes to help an enemy to destroy one's own race and nation, and the
Mega-Bankers are the greatest enemies off the British nation in all
history.
         IMMIGRATION AND THE SLAVE TRADE: THE JEWISH CONNECTION
By way of a postcript to our analysis of the way in which Jewry has sought
to encourage race-mixing among Gentile peoples (while jealously asserting
its right to defend itself from "assimilation" with any kind of non-Jew --
White, Black, Brown or Yellow) we draw reader's attention to the book Who
Brought the Slaves To America? published by the Sons of Liberty in the
USA.  
   This work is based on authentic contemporary records available in the
Carnegie Institute of Technology, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.  They show
that it was overwhelmingly Jewish merchants and ships owners who
introduced the Negro to America.  The book urges us to remember these
figures: "Approximately one hundred and ten million Black people were
captured and removed from their homelands in Africa.  Only eleven million
of these Black slaves reached the Colonies alive".  It is time that the
Negro people knew the truth about the obnoxious slave trade.
   It is ironic that as part of their continual brainwashing campaign to
promote race-mixing (among non-Jews) Jewish film and television moguls
work overtime to give Negroes a sense of grievance and White people and
sense of guilt by depicting White Gentiles as being responsible for the
slave trade when in fact historical records show this vile business was
operated by Jewish get-rich-quick artists.
   This small illustration of what Jews of yester-year actually did and
how the Jews who control the information media today manufacture lies to
distort the historical record, should prompt even the most craven Gentile
opponent of 'anti-semitism' to ask their Jewish friends a few direct
questions about the game Jewry is playing in the field of race relations. 
In the likely event that their questions are met with abuse and threats of
prosecution under Race Relations Act, we suggest they turn for a clue to
Jewish strategy to George Orwell's book about a future tyrannous world of
super-state Nineteen Eightyfour" "He who controls the Present, controls
the Past; he who controls the Past controls the Future."
   The Jewish media debauches the historical record in order to manipulate
our emotions and values and thereby warp our political judgements so that
we can be made to accpet willingly decisions which serve the interests of
Jewry even when the injurious to our best interests." 

There is a whole lot more information, but that can wait for another day.

Cailean

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> By the way, I'll put in a vote for Freeburger too.  That makes two of us.
> 
> Polls are open, folks!  And Freeburger is in the lead!  He should feel
happy, this may be the only 
> thing he is ever succesful at...winning the favorite Jew election on
alt.politics.white-power.
> 
Sorry my vote is for the wannabe Herostratus.  He states:
1. The credibility of an argument comes from the population of the city
one writes from (i.e., Los Angeles over Auckland), though he refuses to
acknowledge that Mexico city from his logic is the best place to write
from.
2. New Zealand if the Land of the Unexceptional, being ignorant of that
the fact that many things (both bad & good) originated from that land.
3. That Ehrenburg was not a propagandist, whose sayings never reached the
Red Army.
4. That wives (especially Jewish one's) have no bearing on the thinking of
their husbands.  Especially considering Jews are matriachal, and not
patriachal.
5. That because Torquemada converted to Catholicism he was still not part
of the Jewish ethnic group.
6. That one must possess a formal education (i.e., tertiary) before one
can claim to be rational.
7. New Zealand is poorer than some of the Latin American countries.
8. Because New Zealand is small is most be inconsequential (related to one).
9. Proclaims with excitement his fascination (along side Jeff Han, Mike
Beebe and Jeanne Kowalewski) with the lower intestine.  
10. Considers that his 50 years of age, means he is more informed of WWII
than those that participated in it.
11. Believes that NZ radio talk shows are derided me (when in fact they
don't even mention me).
12. Believes mentioning a 45 minute international toll call to New Zealand
is important.
13. Seems to think that by deriding New Zealand he is hurting me, when I
have mentioned several times that I would join in and abuse New Zealand.

Rosenburg 2, wannabe Herostratus 1.

Cailean.

P.S The votes aren't sealed are they?  I'm hoping that wannabe Herostratus
wins the ignorance prize...

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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These words are from Richard Porter in his pamphlet "Roots of Evil
Legalized Thieves : The Banks", 
"           THE REAL REASON FOR COLOURED MIGRATION INTO BRITAIN
The reality is that the Gangster Bankers who created and financed
Communism also control the 'British' Parliment from behind the scenes. 
The House of Commons is no more than a House of Traitors.  For years
politicians of all parties have furthered the plans and ambitions of the
Money Power, not looked after the interests of the British people.  There
could be no more clear evidence of this than Coloured Immigration.
   Against the wishes of the indigenous British people and in a manner
which can only be described as treasonable, an estimated 10 million
racially unassimilable aliens have been brought into our already
overcrowded island.  The incomers include: West Indians, Africans,
Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Iranians, Vietnamese, Tamilis,
Philippinos, Arabs, Egyptians, Indonesians, Malaysians, South and Central
Americans, Chinese, Greek and Turkish Cypriots, etc., not to mention vast
numbers of 'nearly-Whites' from southern Europe.  Now we face the prospect
of further millions from Hong Kong - and Turkey, if Turkey's application
to join the 'European' Common Market is successful.  The hostilities which
these various ethnic groups bear for us, the 'host' community is often
only exceeded by the imported ancestral hatreds which they nurture for
each other.
   Why is this being done to our country?  Because the almighty
International Bankers -- Rothschilds, Warburgs, Rockefellers and their
associates have decided that all the peoples of the world are going to
have a World Government imposed on them whether they like or not, and
breaking down the identities of the various sovereign nations is best
achieved by mixing the populations.  As the pro-World Government spokesman
Rabbi Abraham Feinberg put it: "One World -- One Race: the deliberate
encouragement of inter-racial marriage."
   Britain has been selected by the Bankers to ne their first victim in
the context of the Common Market and other developing World Government
structures.  To ensure that the planned destruction of our nation is total
and permanent the Bankers have determined that our unique
Anglo-Saxon-Celtic people must be obliterated as a distinct ethnic group
by means of forced race-mixing with hordes of Blacks, Browns and Yellows
who are being deliberately brought into our country for this purpose.
   Eustace Mullins, in his book History of the Jews, quoted a speech by
Rabbi Rabinovitch in Budapest forty years ago, which shows clearly what
the intentions of the Jewish Bankers are: "Mixing the dark with the white
means an end of the White man ... thus the White Race will disappear and
our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory".
   The Politicians you vote for have been fully co-operating with the
Bankers in this strategy.  To speed up the process of the destruction and
decay of our race and nation and to create room for more new alien
immigrants, the British people are being deluged with mass media
propaganda to induce them to reduce their numbers by means of abortion,
sterilization, vasectomy and contraception.  Remember that mass media
hacks, like Parlimentary politicians, are simply the obedient servants and
handsomely-paid hirelings of the International and Jewish Conspiracy.
   Our race and nation is being destroyed.  What are YOU doing about it? A
vote for any of the Parlimentary political parties is a vote of support
for the Satanic Bankers and the destruction of your own kind.
            
            RACE-MIXING IS DEADLIER THAN THE H-BOMB

In his book Deadlier Than The H-Bomb, Wing Commander Leonard Young states
that there are only two reasons for Coloured Immigration:
1. To pollute and destroy our race by mongrelization;
2. To provide degenerate urban mobs which can be used for revolutionary
purposes.
He clearly identified the real driving force behind the plan to destroy
Britain when he wrote: "The Banking System which was foisted on this
country in 1694 and during succeeding years over most of the world has
been the main means by which the Jews have brought misery and
impoverishment everywhere.  By their manipulation of finance they have
been the cause of most wars and economic and social troubles.  They have
been able to obtain control of governmentss and of the means of publicity
(Press, Radio, TV, Films, Publishing Houses, New Services, etc) and so
have been able to suppress the truth and propagate the lie.  This has
enabled them to fool and bully the people of the world into following the
most suicidal courses until the Jews are now in the position of expecting
to clamp final dominion upon the world by means of a supranational
organization and some form of irresistable world police force which they
would control."
   If you think we don't have censorship in Britain, try and buy a copy
"from any good bookshop" or borrow one from a public library.
   The United Nations is the prototype for World Government.  A prominent
Jew -- Harold Wallace Rosenthal -- wrote in his Confessions: "The U.N. is
nothing but a trap door to the Red world's immense concentration camp ..
We (i.e. the Jews) pretty much control the U.N."
   The U.N. has declared in its numerous conventions that there should be
international interbreeding and a uniform population.  Successive British
governments have supported these aims by subscribing to The Charter of the
United Nations.  This foundation document of the U.N. was for the most
part drafted by Alger Hiss, top foreigh policy adviser to President
Roosevelt.  Hiss was later convicted of being a key member of a Soviet spy
network in America.  Apart from Hiss and the man who exposed him, all of
the leading members of this network -- including the Soviet Embassy
officials who managed it -- were Jews.
  In 1912 Isreal Cohen wrote a book on Communist tactics entitled A Racial
Program for the Twentieth Century.  It haa proven to be prophetic:
"We must realusee that our Party's mst powerful weapon is racial tension. 
By pounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries
they have been oppressed by the Whites, we can mould them to our program. 
The terms 'colonialism' and 'imperialism' must be featured  in our
propaganda.  In America we will claim subtle victory.  While inflaming the
Negro minority against the Whites, we will endeavour to instil in the
Whites a guilt complex for exploiting the Negroes.  We will aid the
Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions
and in the world of sport and entertainment.  With the prestige, the
Negroes will be able to intermarry with the Whites and begin a process
which will deliver America (and Britain) to our cause."
   This is why our Banker-controlled TV and advertising industry are
working mightiliy to promote the Negro and why we now have Negroes and
Asiatics reading the 'news' and entertaining our children.  Just how
successful has all their propaganda been can be seen throughout Britain by
the increasing numbers of Britons rushing to commit racial suicide by
cohabiting with the dark races and producing mongrels.  Carried to
finality this means the permanent and irreversible destruction of Britain
and the British people, which is exactly what the Money Lords intend.

                     PLANS FORMULATED YEARS AGO  
The plans to promote racial chaos in the Gentile world were laid long
ago.  In 1850, Karl Marx (real name Moses Mordecai Levy) the son and
grandson of Jewish Rabbis, published his Communist Manifesto.  In this he
advocated the abolition of the family, countries and nationalities
together with "all religion" and "all morality".  Who can doubt that this
is now literally in process of fulfilment? The evidence is all around us
with Coloured Immigration and officially-encouraged mongrelisation.  The
massive assault on marriage and the family, and morality generally, by the
promotion of pornography, explicit sexual videos, sexual licencem a jungle
of cacophony that passes for 'music', and 'slip-slosh' 'daub-and-drivel'
that the gullible are persuaded is 'art' ... ad infinitum.
   In a letter to Karl Marx published in La Revue de Paris, the Jew Baruch
Levy wrote: "The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah.  It
will obtain world dominion by dissolution of other races, by the abolition
of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and the establishment of a
World Republic."
   This is now all very close to fulfillment.  The near complete success
of international Jewry's plan has been made possible by:
1. Their control of money.
2. Their control of the Media.
3.  Their ruthless exercise of the powers which go with Money and Media
control to stampede the masses and manipulate key individuals.
   Dr. Kurth Munzer, a Jew in his 'The Way to Zion' wrote: "We Jews have
spoiled the blood of all the races.  We have tarnished and broken their
power.  We have made everything foul, rotten, decomposed, decayed."

                  THE RACE LAWS
The Zionist Board of Deputies of British Jews formulated the 'Race Laws'
which now amend the Public Order Act and various other Statutes.  The
first Race Relations Bill was introduced into the House of Commons by the
Labour Attorney General, the immigrant Russian Jew Sir Frank Soskice, in
1965.  Draconian amendments to the Race Relations Act of 1976 (which, for
example, removed from the Crown the need to prove 'intent' in prosecutions
for 'Incitement to Racial Hatred') was passed in the House of Commons with
only 132 of the 625 Members being present.  It is well known that numerous
M.Ps are privately opposed to the Race Relations laaw but they were
terrified that if they went to the House and spoke up and voted against
the amendments they would be ...
1. Smeared in the Jewish-controlled mass media as being "racist", which
might deprive them of the votes of the ever-increasing 'ethnic minority'
communites and/or
2. Made targets of physical violeance by Jewish organised and funded
"anti-racialist/anti-Fascist" 'Rentamob' organisations, and/or
3. Deprived of funding and patronage -- personal as well aas political --
>from  Jewish sources ...
... so on that crucial occasion 80% of our M.Ps hid away in their funk
holes.  It is thanks to these craven traitors that the Jews are able to
make a farce of Parliment and get their way even aginst the wishes of the
vast majority of the British people.
   A subsequent series of amendments to the Act were introduced to the
House of Commons in 1986 by the Lithuanian Jew Home Secretary Leon
Britann(isky) -- now a European Community Commissioner.
   You may wonder why all the various ammedments to the Race Relations Act
have had such an extensive backing from the Home Office.  Quite apart from
the Jewisj Home Secretaries and campaigning by pressure groups such as the
Jewish Board of Deputies, there is the crucial factor of the
behind-the-scenes influence of Jewish Civil Servants -- onein particular
being Neville Nagler.
   Throughout the 1970s and 1980s Nagler was the head of the Home Office
Department responsible for race relations matters.  The Jewish Chronicle
has boasted of the influence of the Pinner, Middlesex, Synagogue
official.  It revealed that whenever a Cabinet Minister made a speech on
the subject of race relations, notes for the text were always drafted by
Nagler.  The J.C. also made it clear that Nagler regularly "liased" with
top officials of the Jewish Board of Deputies.  These reports only confirm
anti-Immigration campaigners' suspicions as to why the Board of Deputies
was so well-informed about their activities, personnel and personal
circumstances.  The Board often betrayed (through its subsidiary
organisations and publications, aaa well as through the boastful coloums
of the Jewish Chronicle) knowledge which could only have been gained
through official (i.e. Police/Special Branch/M.I.5) facilities.  The Home
Office, obviously, has right of access to these intelligence data sources.
   Patriots were given further grounds for consternation when it was
brayed in the J.C. early in 1991 that Nagler had retired from the Home
Office and had appointed fulltime paid Chief Executive of the Board of
Deputies of British Jews!
            RACE-MIXING: THE LESSON OF HISTORY SUPPRESSED
At the International Court of Justice The Hague on June 23rd 1965,
evidence was given relating to the impact of diverse ethnic groups upon
each other.  At this session Professor Van den Haag of New York University
stated unequivocally before the Court that it was a fact of history that
unregulated contact between ethnicgroups resulted in social
disorganisation and an increase in the crime rate.  Needless to say, this
warning placed before the World Court made the professor extremely
unpopular and received little publiclity.
   There is in fact clear evidence from history that the mixing of
different ethnic groups and alien elements with an established pure-bred
population played a part in the decline and eventual fall of all the great
empires and civilisations of history, one of the most recent examples
being that of Portugal.  Int the 15th and 16th centuries the Portuguese
were a race of navigators, explorers and adventurers.  They established
colonies in Asia, Africa and South America.  As a result, Portugal became
one of the wealthiest and most powerful nations in all Europe.  However in
1441, after the voyages of discovery down the coast of Africa, the first
Black slaves were imported into Portugal and within 100 years ten per cent
of the population was Black.  In the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia
Britannica -- before the Jewish distorters of history had intervened -- is
the following entry: "The Portuguese inter-married freely with their
slaves and this infusion of alien blood profoundly modified the character
and physique of the nation.  It may be said without exaggeration that the
Portuguese of the 17th and later centuries were two different races".
   The Portugal of today is backward and impoverished; it is a living
testimony  to what happens to a White country when its populaltion is
decimated by Blacks.  This crucial clue to an understanding of Portuguese
history has been blotted out of all modern history books.  No modern
encyclopaedia or history book mentions the impact of race-mixing on the
nation of Portugal.  History is not only being distorted, it is being
obliterated in order to hide from us the consequence of Coloured
Immigration.
         "MAKE RACISM A DIRTY WORD"
Our ancestors fought and died to keep the Spanish, the French and the
Germans out when they tried to invade our island home.  But the present
generation of Britons have been cowed into silence and inaction while the
biggest invasion in our history is taking place.  If our ancestors were to
return they would consider us all mad or stupid -- or traitors.  Half the
world would like to come to Britain, not just the 3,250,000 Chinese in
Hong Kong who are poised to flood in.  It is about time that our
contemptible bunch of politicians started to put British first in their
own country.  By using propaganda smear words like 'Racist' and 'Fascist',
the Banker-controlled media have brainwashed the British into remaining
passive and impotent while their race is destroyed and their country is
stolen from them.
   In 1922, the Bolshevik leader Selenkov stated in Moscow: "We must
create a climate of anti-nationalism and anti-racialism amongst Whites. 
We must reduce patriotism and pride of race to meaningless abstractions
and make racialism a dirty word".  How successful that plan has been!
   The British now shrink in fear of being called a 'racist'.  It is worse
than being called a thief.  Yet 'racism' is no more than another word for
patriotism -- a righteous cause for which millions have died.  To put
one's own kind first is a virtue not a crime.  It is the greatest of
crimes to help an enemy to destroy one's own race and nation, and the
Mega-Bankers are the greatest enemies off the British nation in all
history.
         IMMIGRATION AND THE SLAVE TRADE: THE JEWISH CONNECTION
By way of a postcript to our analysis of the way in which Jewry has sought
to encourage race-mixing among Gentile peoples (while jealously asserting
its right to defend itself from "assimilation" with any kind of non-Jew --
White, Black, Brown or Yellow) we draw reader's attention to the book Who
Brought the Slaves To America? published by the Sons of Liberty in the
USA.  
   This work is based on authentic contemporary records available in the
Carnegie Institute of Technology, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.  They show
that it was overwhelmingly Jewish merchants and ships owners who
introduced the Negro to America.  The book urges us to remember these
figures: "Approximately one hundred and ten million Black people were
captured and removed from their homelands in Africa.  Only eleven million
of these Black slaves reached the Colonies alive".  It is time that the
Negro people knew the truth about the obnoxious slave trade.
   It is ironic that as part of their continual brainwashing campaign to
promote race-mixing (among non-Jews) Jewish film and television moguls
work overtime to give Negroes a sense of grievance and White people and
sense of guilt by depicting White Gentiles as being responsible for the
slave trade when in fact historical records show this vile business was
operated by Jewish get-rich-quick artists.
   This small illustration of what Jews of yester-year actually did and
how the Jews who control the information media today manufacture lies to
distort the historical record, should prompt even the most craven Gentile
opponent of 'anti-semitism' to ask their Jewish friends a few direct
questions about the game Jewry is playing in the field of race relations. 
In the likely event that their questions are met with abuse and threats of
prosecution under Race Relations Act, we suggest they turn for a clue to
Jewish strategy to George Orwell's book about a future tyrannous world of
super-state Nineteen Eightyfour" "He who controls the Present, controls
the Past; he who controls the Past controls the Future."
   The Jewish media debauches the historical record in order to manipulate
our emotions and values and thereby warp our political judgements so that
we can be made to accpet willingly decisions which serve the interests of
Jewry even when the injurious to our best interests." 

There is a whole lot more information, but that can wait for another day.

Cailean

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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These words are from Richard Porter in his pamphlet "Roots of Evil
Legalized Thieves : The Banks", 
"           THE REAL REASON FOR COLOURED MIGRATION INTO BRITAIN
The reality is that the Gangster Bankers who created and financed
Communism also control the 'British' Parliment from behind the scenes. 
The House of Commons is no more than a House of Traitors.  For years
politicians of all parties have furthered the plans and ambitions of the
Money Power, not looked after the interests of the British people.  There
could be no more clear evidence of this than Coloured Immigration.
   Against the wishes of the indigenous British people and in a manner
which can only be described as treasonable, an estimated 10 million
racially unassimilable aliens have been brought into our already
overcrowded island.  The incomers include: West Indians, Africans,
Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Iranians, Vietnamese, Tamilis,
Philippinos, Arabs, Egyptians, Indonesians, Malaysians, South and Central
Americans, Chinese, Greek and Turkish Cypriots, etc., not to mention vast
numbers of 'nearly-Whites' from southern Europe.  Now we face the prospect
of further millions from Hong Kong - and Turkey, if Turkey's application
to join the 'European' Common Market is successful.  The hostilities which
these various ethnic groups bear for us, the 'host' community is often
only exceeded by the imported ancestral hatreds which they nurture for
each other.
   Why is this being done to our country?  Because the almighty
International Bankers -- Rothschilds, Warburgs, Rockefellers and their
associates have decided that all the peoples of the world are going to
have a World Government imposed on them whether they like or not, and
breaking down the identities of the various sovereign nations is best
achieved by mixing the populations.  As the pro-World Government spokesman
Rabbi Abraham Feinberg put it: "One World -- One Race: the deliberate
encouragement of inter-racial marriage."
   Britain has been selected by the Bankers to ne their first victim in
the context of the Common Market and other developing World Government
structures.  To ensure that the planned destruction of our nation is total
and permanent the Bankers have determined that our unique
Anglo-Saxon-Celtic people must be obliterated as a distinct ethnic group
by means of forced race-mixing with hordes of Blacks, Browns and Yellows
who are being deliberately brought into our country for this purpose.
   Eustace Mullins, in his book History of the Jews, quoted a speech by
Rabbi Rabinovitch in Budapest forty years ago, which shows clearly what
the intentions of the Jewish Bankers are: "Mixing the dark with the white
means an end of the White man ... thus the White Race will disappear and
our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory".
   The Politicians you vote for have been fully co-operating with the
Bankers in this strategy.  To speed up the process of the destruction and
decay of our race and nation and to create room for more new alien
immigrants, the British people are being deluged with mass media
propaganda to induce them to reduce their numbers by means of abortion,
sterilization, vasectomy and contraception.  Remember that mass media
hacks, like Parlimentary politicians, are simply the obedient servants and
handsomely-paid hirelings of the International and Jewish Conspiracy.
   Our race and nation is being destroyed.  What are YOU doing about it? A
vote for any of the Parlimentary political parties is a vote of support
for the Satanic Bankers and the destruction of your own kind.
            
            RACE-MIXING IS DEADLIER THAN THE H-BOMB

In his book Deadlier Than The H-Bomb, Wing Commander Leonard Young states
that there are only two reasons for Coloured Immigration:
1. To pollute and destroy our race by mongrelization;
2. To provide degenerate urban mobs which can be used for revolutionary
purposes.
He clearly identified the real driving force behind the plan to destroy
Britain when he wrote: "The Banking System which was foisted on this
country in 1694 and during succeeding years over most of the world has
been the main means by which the Jews have brought misery and
impoverishment everywhere.  By their manipulation of finance they have
been the cause of most wars and economic and social troubles.  They have
been able to obtain control of governmentss and of the means of publicity
(Press, Radio, TV, Films, Publishing Houses, New Services, etc) and so
have been able to suppress the truth and propagate the lie.  This has
enabled them to fool and bully the people of the world into following the
most suicidal courses until the Jews are now in the position of expecting
to clamp final dominion upon the world by means of a supranational
organization and some form of irresistable world police force which they
would control."
   If you think we don't have censorship in Britain, try and buy a copy
"from any good bookshop" or borrow one from a public library.
   The United Nations is the prototype for World Government.  A prominent
Jew -- Harold Wallace Rosenthal -- wrote in his Confessions: "The U.N. is
nothing but a trap door to the Red world's immense concentration camp ..
We (i.e. the Jews) pretty much control the U.N."
   The U.N. has declared in its numerous conventions that there should be
international interbreeding and a uniform population.  Successive British
governments have supported these aims by subscribing to The Charter of the
United Nations.  This foundation document of the U.N. was for the most
part drafted by Alger Hiss, top foreigh policy adviser to President
Roosevelt.  Hiss was later convicted of being a key member of a Soviet spy
network in America.  Apart from Hiss and the man who exposed him, all of
the leading members of this network -- including the Soviet Embassy
officials who managed it -- were Jews.
  In 1912 Isreal Cohen wrote a book on Communist tactics entitled A Racial
Program for the Twentieth Century.  It haa proven to be prophetic:
"We must realusee that our Party's mst powerful weapon is racial tension. 
By pounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries
they have been oppressed by the Whites, we can mould them to our program. 
The terms 'colonialism' and 'imperialism' must be featured  in our
propaganda.  In America we will claim subtle victory.  While inflaming the
Negro minority against the Whites, we will endeavour to instil in the
Whites a guilt complex for exploiting the Negroes.  We will aid the
Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions
and in the world of sport and entertainment.  With the prestige, the
Negroes will be able to intermarry with the Whites and begin a process
which will deliver America (and Britain) to our cause."
   This is why our Banker-controlled TV and advertising industry are
working mightiliy to promote the Negro and why we now have Negroes and
Asiatics reading the 'news' and entertaining our children.  Just how
successful has all their propaganda been can be seen throughout Britain by
the increasing numbers of Britons rushing to commit racial suicide by
cohabiting with the dark races and producing mongrels.  Carried to
finality this means the permanent and irreversible destruction of Britain
and the British people, which is exactly what the Money Lords intend.

                     PLANS FORMULATED YEARS AGO  
The plans to promote racial chaos in the Gentile world were laid long
ago.  In 1850, Karl Marx (real name Moses Mordecai Levy) the son and
grandson of Jewish Rabbis, published his Communist Manifesto.  In this he
advocated the abolition of the family, countries and nationalities
together with "all religion" and "all morality".  Who can doubt that this
is now literally in process of fulfilment? The evidence is all around us
with Coloured Immigration and officially-encouraged mongrelisation.  The
massive assault on marriage and the family, and morality generally, by the
promotion of pornography, explicit sexual videos, sexual licencem a jungle
of cacophony that passes for 'music', and 'slip-slosh' 'daub-and-drivel'
that the gullible are persuaded is 'art' ... ad infinitum.
   In a letter to Karl Marx published in La Revue de Paris, the Jew Baruch
Levy wrote: "The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah.  It
will obtain world dominion by dissolution of other races, by the abolition
of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and the establishment of a
World Republic."
   This is now all very close to fulfillment.  The near complete success
of international Jewry's plan has been made possible by:
1. Their control of money.
2. Their control of the Media.
3.  Their ruthless exercise of the powers which go with Money and Media
control to stampede the masses and manipulate key individuals.
   Dr. Kurth Munzer, a Jew in his 'The Way to Zion' wrote: "We Jews have
spoiled the blood of all the races.  We have tarnished and broken their
power.  We have made everything foul, rotten, decomposed, decayed."

                  THE RACE LAWS
The Zionist Board of Deputies of British Jews formulated the 'Race Laws'
which now amend the Public Order Act and various other Statutes.  The
first Race Relations Bill was introduced into the House of Commons by the
Labour Attorney General, the immigrant Russian Jew Sir Frank Soskice, in
1965.  Draconian amendments to the Race Relations Act of 1976 (which, for
example, removed from the Crown the need to prove 'intent' in prosecutions
for 'Incitement to Racial Hatred') was passed in the House of Commons with
only 132 of the 625 Members being present.  It is well known that numerous
M.Ps are privately opposed to the Race Relations laaw but they were
terrified that if they went to the House and spoke up and voted against
the amendments they would be ...
1. Smeared in the Jewish-controlled mass media as being "racist", which
might deprive them of the votes of the ever-increasing 'ethnic minority'
communites and/or
2. Made targets of physical violeance by Jewish organised and funded
"anti-racialist/anti-Fascist" 'Rentamob' organisations, and/or
3. Deprived of funding and patronage -- personal as well aas political --
>from  Jewish sources ...
... so on that crucial occasion 80% of our M.Ps hid away in their funk
holes.  It is thanks to these craven traitors that the Jews are able to
make a farce of Parliment and get their way even aginst the wishes of the
vast majority of the British people.
   A subsequent series of amendments to the Act were introduced to the
House of Commons in 1986 by the Lithuanian Jew Home Secretary Leon
Britann(isky) -- now a European Community Commissioner.
   You may wonder why all the various ammedments to the Race Relations Act
have had such an extensive backing from the Home Office.  Quite apart from
the Jewisj Home Secretaries and campaigning by pressure groups such as the
Jewish Board of Deputies, there is the crucial factor of the
behind-the-scenes influence of Jewish Civil Servants -- onein particular
being Neville Nagler.
   Throughout the 1970s and 1980s Nagler was the head of the Home Office
Department responsible for race relations matters.  The Jewish Chronicle
has boasted of the influence of the Pinner, Middlesex, Synagogue
official.  It revealed that whenever a Cabinet Minister made a speech on
the subject of race relations, notes for the text were always drafted by
Nagler.  The J.C. also made it clear that Nagler regularly "liased" with
top officials of the Jewish Board of Deputies.  These reports only confirm
anti-Immigration campaigners' suspicions as to why the Board of Deputies
was so well-informed about their activities, personnel and personal
circumstances.  The Board often betrayed (through its subsidiary
organisations and publications, aaa well as through the boastful coloums
of the Jewish Chronicle) knowledge which could only have been gained
through official (i.e. Police/Special Branch/M.I.5) facilities.  The Home
Office, obviously, has right of access to these intelligence data sources.
   Patriots were given further grounds for consternation when it was
brayed in the J.C. early in 1991 that Nagler had retired from the Home
Office and had appointed fulltime paid Chief Executive of the Board of
Deputies of British Jews!
            RACE-MIXING: THE LESSON OF HISTORY SUPPRESSED
At the International Court of Justice The Hague on June 23rd 1965,
evidence was given relating to the impact of diverse ethnic groups upon
each other.  At this session Professor Van den Haag of New York University
stated unequivocally before the Court that it was a fact of history that
unregulated contact between ethnicgroups resulted in social
disorganisation and an increase in the crime rate.  Needless to say, this
warning placed before the World Court made the professor extremely
unpopular and received little publiclity.
   There is in fact clear evidence from history that the mixing of
different ethnic groups and alien elements with an established pure-bred
population played a part in the decline and eventual fall of all the great
empires and civilisations of history, one of the most recent examples
being that of Portugal.  Int the 15th and 16th centuries the Portuguese
were a race of navigators, explorers and adventurers.  They established
colonies in Asia, Africa and South America.  As a result, Portugal became
one of the wealthiest and most powerful nations in all Europe.  However in
1441, after the voyages of discovery down the coast of Africa, the first
Black slaves were imported into Portugal and within 100 years ten per cent
of the population was Black.  In the 1911 edition of the Encyclopaedia
Britannica -- before the Jewish distorters of history had intervened -- is
the following entry: "The Portuguese inter-married freely with their
slaves and this infusion of alien blood profoundly modified the character
and physique of the nation.  It may be said without exaggeration that the
Portuguese of the 17th and later centuries were two different races".
   The Portugal of today is backward and impoverished; it is a living
testimony  to what happens to a White country when its populaltion is
decimated by Blacks.  This crucial clue to an understanding of Portuguese
history has been blotted out of all modern history books.  No modern
encyclopaedia or history book mentions the impact of race-mixing on the
nation of Portugal.  History is not only being distorted, it is being
obliterated in order to hide from us the consequence of Coloured
Immigration.
         "MAKE RACISM A DIRTY WORD"
Our ancestors fought and died to keep the Spanish, the French and the
Germans out when they tried to invade our island home.  But the present
generation of Britons have been cowed into silence and inaction while the
biggest invasion in our history is taking place.  If our ancestors were to
return they would consider us all mad or stupid -- or traitors.  Half the
world would like to come to Britain, not just the 3,250,000 Chinese in
Hong Kong who are poised to flood in.  It is about time that our
contemptible bunch of politicians started to put British first in their
own country.  By using propaganda smear words like 'Racist' and 'Fascist',
the Banker-controlled media have brainwashed the British into remaining
passive and impotent while their race is destroyed and their country is
stolen from them.
   In 1922, the Bolshevik leader Selenkov stated in Moscow: "We must
create a climate of anti-nationalism and anti-racialism amongst Whites. 
We must reduce patriotism and pride of race to meaningless abstractions
and make racialism a dirty word".  How successful that plan has been!
   The British now shrink in fear of being called a 'racist'.  It is worse
than being called a thief.  Yet 'racism' is no more than another word for
patriotism -- a righteous cause for which millions have died.  To put
one's own kind first is a virtue not a crime.  It is the greatest of
crimes to help an enemy to destroy one's own race and nation, and the
Mega-Bankers are the greatest enemies off the British nation in all
history.
         IMMIGRATION AND THE SLAVE TRADE: THE JEWISH CONNECTION
By way of a postcript to our analysis of the way in which Jewry has sought
to encourage race-mixing among Gentile peoples (while jealously asserting
its right to defend itself from "assimilation" with any kind of non-Jew --
White, Black, Brown or Yellow) we draw reader's attention to the book Who
Brought the Slaves To America? published by the Sons of Liberty in the
USA.  
   This work is based on authentic contemporary records available in the
Carnegie Institute of Technology, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.  They show
that it was overwhelmingly Jewish merchants and ships owners who
introduced the Negro to America.  The book urges us to remember these
figures: "Approximately one hundred and ten million Black people were
captured and removed from their homelands in Africa.  Only eleven million
of these Black slaves reached the Colonies alive".  It is time that the
Negro people knew the truth about the obnoxious slave trade.
   It is ironic that as part of their continual brainwashing campaign to
promote race-mixing (among non-Jews) Jewish film and television moguls
work overtime to give Negroes a sense of grievance and White people and
sense of guilt by depicting White Gentiles as being responsible for the
slave trade when in fact historical records show this vile business was
operated by Jewish get-rich-quick artists.
   This small illustration of what Jews of yester-year actually did and
how the Jews who control the information media today manufacture lies to
distort the historical record, should prompt even the most craven Gentile
opponent of 'anti-semitism' to ask their Jewish friends a few direct
questions about the game Jewry is playing in the field of race relations. 
In the likely event that their questions are met with abuse and threats of
prosecution under Race Relations Act, we suggest they turn for a clue to
Jewish strategy to George Orwell's book about a future tyrannous world of
super-state Nineteen Eightyfour" "He who controls the Present, controls
the Past; he who controls the Past controls the Future."
   The Jewish media debauches the historical record in order to manipulate
our emotions and values and thereby warp our political judgements so that
we can be made to accpet willingly decisions which serve the interests of
Jewry even when the injurious to our best interests." 

There is a whole lot more information, but that can wait for another day.

Cailean

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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>   Men fear what they cannot comprehend.  Men hate what they fear.
> 
When does hate equate with fear?  Sometimes it does, sometimes it
doesn't.  Men fear all sorts of things, doesn't mean they hate it.  For
example a fear of heights doesn't imply that the man hates heights. 
Otherwise the airlines would probably lose a lot of business.  I hate
white liberals, doesn't mean I fear them.  Most of them are wimps
physically and mentally.  Take you as an example, you get all heated under
the collar when someone starts thrashing you in an argument.  While I
don't know about your physical stature, I'm sure to be unimpressed.

>   Seriously, I often wonder if the WP people even truly realize what they pro-
> fess to believe in.  Perhaps their hatred is so ingrained in them that they 
> don't consciously think about it at all.  Pitiable...
> 
I say similar things about liberals, how they HATE WP people, which is
pitiable...especially considering where are the ones supposed to have the
hate.  Then again, liberal logic fails quite readily and regularly

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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In article <43a4o5$mtg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jwccti1@aol.com (JWCCTI1)
wannabe Herostratus wrote:

> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry of the Tribe of Trash in far-away New
> Zeland) was really pissed, and wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps the reader has followed this little debate more closely than you
> > Jeffrey, otherwise you wouldn't have been so foolish.  "Nobody" is a
> play
> > on sarcasm.  The Herostratus of Jewry believes he is somebody, therefore
> > calling him nobody is sarcasm.  Though I don't suppose you've ever
> > bothered to realize this?
> 
> Ouch, you clever boy. Go give mommy a big kiss.  (No, not on the mouth,
> you ungrateful pervert!)  Was she part of the Tribe of Trash too, before
> your father fucked her, or did she commit miscegination? 
> 
> BTW- what is this "academia" in the big city of Aukland that you consider
> yourself a part of? 
> 
This is quite funny, it proves my statements have hit a sour chord within
you.  Thanks for the confirmation.  

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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In article <43lh3u$efg@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com>, TZBV75A@prodigy.com
(James Henry) wrote:

> This is an incredible clump of drivel, remininscent of the ravings of 
> Hitler and Goebbels themselves.  I am amazed that anyone who has any 
> familiarity with the history of fascist literature could read this stuff 
> and not be filled with deja vu. 

Reasons?

Please state them rationally without the emotional baggage you have so far
demonstrated.

Cailean.

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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Genetics: ideas, proves, but which still won't change a liberal's mind.
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Starting from the most liberal genetics/anthropology book I could find: 
Human Biodiversity Genes, Race, and History,  Jonathan Marks 1994.

Believes wholeheartily with the various liberals in that Genetics can't
prove race as so racial classification is a waste of time (so why did he
bother to write the book?).  Anyway, he did give a thorough table of
current anthropology (1986) classification via skull shape, pp 160 Table
9.1.  He also stated the greater numbers of factors used in testing, you
could prove whether an individual belonged in a particular population (as
opposed to race).  One flaw with his ideals is that he (like most others)
classifies races according to geography, hence a Turk is Caucasion.  One
would expect flaws based on this type of template.  However I digress,
with his analogy all that needs doing is defining which populations are
acceptable.

The books an easy read BTW.

Another light reading genetics book is: Elements of Human Genetics 2nd Ed.
L.L Cavilli-Sforza 1977
"Certainly the most conspicuous difference existing between the races is
that of skin color.  We know that the differentiation of black and white
is due to at least four genes, although we have not identified these genes
individually.  There are also some differences in body build and in facial
traits among the various racial groups.  These all help us to recognize
the racial groups that an individual belongs to from his external
features."

Now that there are many genes involved solely with skin colour, a
triangularation scheme can be worked out to test race.  For those that
have done a little mathematics this point doesn't need elaborating.  

An excellent read on Genetics and Race is from:
The Genetics of Human Populations, Cavilli-Sforza 1971 pp 708-717.  A
little out of most liberal's depths (I'd suggest they stick with Jonathan
Marks -- doesn't hurt the ego so much).
Table 11.5 Genetic Distances Between Racial Groups   
Table 11.6 World Variation of Gene Frequencies  
Should make it plain to the liberal about genetics.
pp 724 Table 11.7 goes through the various tables that correlated the
information in Table 11.5 & 11.6

He also gives formulas for working out race.  Which will make most
liberals sick.

However the most damning is:

The History and Geography of Human Genes, by Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and
Piazza 1994 (note the date, it's post-1965 and it is within the last 15
years).

pp 169.  African Genetic Analysis.
The average number of genes is 47.6+-21.9.  The reason for this difference
is they add various different races together (e.g., Pygmy and Hottentot).

pp 226. Asian 65.1+-6.2 genes.

pp 269. European 88+-0.1 genes.

Fig 5.5.2 Suggests that what WP members have been saying for some time is
correct (though they don't state that).  It's curious to find that all the
white peoples are bunched together, whilst those that aren't are duskier. 
Curious.

These have all been performed via Principal Component (PC) Maps.  Which
incidentally, is forgotten by your Politically Correct genetic books (I
wonder why?)

>From  the hint by Jonathan Mark for population test and combined with those
>from  another 1994 text, it would seem feasible to construct a genetic test
that determined race.  Howbeit from a multitude of different factors.

My two cents,

Cailean.

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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : And there we have it, no lying by Jeannie.  You see Jeannie, you implied
> : that if literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of intelligence; then
> : those that can't are a bonehead.  
> 
> When you get to primary school, your English teacher will explain to
> you that contructions like the last string of words, spaces and
> punctuation marks between two consecutive full stops do *not* constitute
> a correct English sentence. There are several problems with it. 
> 
> The first is that it is grammatically incorrect. "Those" is plural "a 
> bonehead" is singular. The two should agree in number. Thus (if I may
> pre-empt your future English teacher) it should be something like
> "those who can't are boneheads" or "anyone who can't is a bonehead."
> 
> Of course the semi-colon should be a comma.
> 
> Oh, and notice that it's "who" and not "that".
> 
> The second is that even if one were to tidy up the grammatical errors,
> it is still not a sensible sentence construction. For the "can't" in the 
> conclusion of the hypothetical constructin does not properly refer to
> a previous verb, as it should. Thus to be sensible (in the formal as
> opposed to contextual sense), it should read something like:
> "..if literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of intelligence, then those
> who haven't mastered these are boneheads." or "..if literacy, spelling and 
> grammar are signs of intelligence, then those who can't read, write or spell
> and don't know grammar are boneheads."
> 
> There are also substantive problems. Jeanne Kowalewski (shouldn't that be
> "Kowalewskaya"?) did not imply what you claimed she implied. You might have
> erroneously drawn the patently false conclusion, but *she* neither stated
> it, nor do her statements logically imply it. But do not worry, such
> lapses in logical reasoning are common in those who lack either literacy
> or education. Since you lack both, yoou have two water-tight alibis should
> anyone ever accuse you of *wilful* misrepresentation of Jeanne's views.
> You see, the propositions "If P, then Q" and "If Q, then P" are logically
> independent. The person whose BSc you claim to be holding should be
> able to provide an elegant sufficiency of examples for each of the
> possibilities:
> 
> 1. Both "If P, then Q" and "If Q, then P" are true.
> 
> 2. "If P, then Q" is true and "If Q, then P" is false.
> 
> 3. "If P, then Q" is false and "If Q, then P" is true.
> 
> 4. Both "If P, then Q" and "If Q, then P" are false.
> 
> 
> : You used me as an example.  
> 
> You are so apt an example, as your last sentence so eloquently
> illustrates. It would be difficult to find a better example 
> to seduce the unwary into believing that all illiterates
> are unintelligent.
> 
> : Therefore, I take it fully within my right to quote you. 
> 
> Feel free to quote. But then *do* quote. Provide us with
> the exact passage of Jeanne's authprship which you claim 
                                ^^^^^^^^^^
> to be quoting ---- and don't even try to use the "Ask Jeff Han"
> ruse. It hasn't worked before. It won't work now.
> 
Guess what you were saying was a load of bovine turd.  Can't spell to save
yourself.  If one wishes to criticise my spelling and grammar then one had
better make sure their own is perfect.  Thank you for demostrating that
you are a pratting fool.  This has got to be one of the most pitiful
launched attacks to date.  Demonstrating that my written English is poor
(and ridiculing it) and then fouling up.  Wish I could be a d.A.

Cailean.

P.S Does d.A stand for dumb Australian?

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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>    the year is 1995, and humans have still not learned that the key to
> worldwide unity is accepting the opinions and cultures of another to be
> just as valid as one's own.
> 
I don't have a problem with polynesian culture in their own land.  I do
have a problem with it when we are forced to inhabit the same territory. 
If they want to rape and sodomise their women, then so be it.  I resent it
when they try to perform their own opinions and culture onto ours.

>    racism, sexism, and homophobia run rampant; and congragulatory
> champagne is drank by the powers that be.  a fatal disease which strikes
> at the reproductive system--the very core of lifedeath cycle--threatens to
> wipe out the entirety of the planet; and politians and students argue over
> the existence of gods and devils.  a source of power has been discovered
> that can change the face of the future of humanity; and it is instead
> utilized to make weaponry that can destroy the world seven times over.
> 
The homosexual culture should be transported to Israel or other Zionist
circles (oh wait, most of them are already there).  The other races
(including Jews) should be moved away, therefore there wouldn't be racism
(simple really). If the feminists and their husbands (and other wimpy men
(i.e., the average male liberal)) were hung or moved with the other races,
then sexism wouldn't be an issue either.  One argument I had a liberal
stuck with was: Who made being a housewife inferior, men or women?  

My personal preference on what to do with (white) liberals is to force
them to live with these races for the entirety of their days.  They won't
be able to retreat to their white neighbourhoods and houses.  They'll be
living with Negroes and Asians directly.  They'll be in the houses with
them.  Of course they have no reason to complain.  They state quite
plainly that these races are their equals, and I agree with them.  These
races are a liberal's equal.  Why bother arguing with them about it?  My
argument is that these races are often smarter (and therefore superior)
than liberals.

Cailean.

-- 
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> > : There seems to be some dispute over whether a certain book of mine exists,
> > : namely: Medieval Europe A Short History by Charles Warren Hollister, a
> > : reasonably famous historian.  Whether the name is misspelt by the accuser
> > : when he typed this name into the Library of Congress and AUCAT Australia,
> > : or I've got the title wrong is irrelevant.  This accuser has done great
> > : injustice by suggesting that Charles Warren Hollister is a "fringe"
> > : historian.  It could be that this accuser, who has been repeatly warned,
> > : is trying to appear intellectual by being pedantic.  Now he has once again
> > : made himself into a pratting fool.  As for the book itself, the accuser
> > : has once again blundered, this so called fringe text is still one of the
> > : proscribed texts for HIST 101 at the University of Otago.  
> > 
> > Why does the University of Otago prohibit his book to first year students if
> > he is so well regarded?
> > 
> > d.A.
> 
> Well look at this, another jester.  On what grounds did I state that the
> University of Otago prohibit the book to first year students?
> 
> This has got to the best example of a liberals reading comprehension to
> date. You don't mind if I keep this as a reference? Thanks in advance.
> 
I can't be bothered waiting for Jeffrey Brown's post to arrive (either
that or my Newsreader is stuffed).  Yes I notice the spelling mistake,
pity it doesn't match the rest of the paragraph.  Which would indicate a
wilfull display of ignorance on d.A's behalf.  It's quite obvious I meant
prescribed.  

Jeffrey to whom (or what) were you calling fringe?  The reference was in
"Re: Indians caused the American desert SW (was Re: ATTN Grego)".  Since
you were not calling me a fringe historian, and you were trying to be
clever and stating that particular book didn't exist, my implication is,
you must of being calling Hollister a "fringe" historian.  Excuses may
follow:

Cailean.

P.S d.A those initials aren't short for (d)umb (A)ustralian are they?

-- 
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> > : There seems to be some dispute over whether a certain book of mine exists,
> > : namely: Medieval Europe A Short History by Charles Warren Hollister, a
> > : reasonably famous historian.  Whether the name is misspelt by the accuser
> > : when he typed this name into the Library of Congress and AUCAT Australia,
> > : or I've got the title wrong is irrelevant.  This accuser has done great
> > : injustice by suggesting that Charles Warren Hollister is a "fringe"
> > : historian.  It could be that this accuser, who has been repeatly warned,
> > : is trying to appear intellectual by being pedantic.  Now he has once again
> > : made himself into a pratting fool.  As for the book itself, the accuser
> > : has once again blundered, this so called fringe text is still one of the
> > : proscribed texts for HIST 101 at the University of Otago.  
> > 
> > Why does the University of Otago prohibit his book to first year students if
> > he is so well regarded?
> > 
> > d.A.
> 
> Well look at this, another jester.  On what grounds did I state that the
> University of Otago prohibit the book to first year students?
> 
> This has got to the best example of a liberals reading comprehension to
> date. You don't mind if I keep this as a reference? Thanks in advance.
> 
I can't be bothered waiting for Jeffrey Brown's post to arrive (either
that or my Newsreader is stuffed).  Yes I notice the spelling mistake,
pity it doesn't match the rest of the paragraph.  Which would indicate a
wilfull display of ignorance on d.A's behalf.  It's quite obvious I meant
prescribed.  

Jeffrey to whom (or what) were you calling fringe?  The reference was in
"Re: Indians caused the American desert SW (was Re: ATTN Grego)".  Since
you were not calling me a fringe historian, and you were trying to be
clever and stating that particular book didn't exist, my implication is,
you must of being calling Hollister a "fringe" historian.  Excuses may
follow:

Cailean.

P.S d.A those initials aren't short for (d)umb (A)ustralian are they?

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> In article <43inro$sim@warp.cris.com> Ronald Schoedel
 writes:
> 
> >Okay, Large Race traitor...(speaking of fat)...maybe there are some fat 
> >klan women.  
> 
> And an uglier crowd of swinettes you've never seen.
> 
Actually Samoan women (and men) are known for their extreme obesity.  Some
Samoans are also liberals...

> >But I've seen more fat, 200+ lb. black women than I have 
> >white women like that.  Quite to the contrary, I know some very fine-
> >looking and very attractive, hard-working sexy and intelligent young
> >ladies within the White nationalist movement, and they far outnumber the
> >ones you say are typical of us.
> 
> Then why do you have to resort to sheep?

I thought that was a liberals pastime?  Jeff Han reads alt.sex.sheep for a
starter, Mike Beebe boasts that he knows which end of a sheep to use.  I
could be wrong, but it would seem that liberals resort to sheep.    

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Infamy and Wannabe Herostratus
Date: 20 Sep 1995 01:15:54 GMT
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The latest presentation of logic from Jewry is that my posts are widely
read in New Zealand, and that NZ radio talk shows mention my posts. 
Having just gone through the NZ UseNet groups, I can really see them
discussing my posts, mentioning my controversial posts over the radio and
generally bad mouthing WP.  Wasn't them some controversy on whether Ron
was on the radio, because he said was.  Whereas I, you say I am not on the
radio, is now the latest theme of a particular liberal to say that I am on
the radio.  How should this logic be represented?  

What I found on the (NZ) Net was: Milton Kliem's National Socialist Primer
(and some dribbly replies) and Ken McVay's half truth post "ADL: Skinhead
International: New Zealand".  

Ron is you read this, I suggest you start saying you're not on the Radio,
therefore you'll have liberals saying you are.  

I would like to say "Let the nonsense end", except that the various
liberals say "We're here to stay."

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: The ignorant have not changed
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 08:38:37 +1200
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> >Yes your completely right Sub-genius, bearcat is a prime example of the
> >ignorant (see his reply under Books...).  The liberals are as ignorant (if
> >not more so) than when you left.  Why did you go away?  Barbie Doll
> >convention?
> 
> 
>         Not at all.  It was something called the summer.  I have a 
> social life.  If you're confused, I'd be happy to explain what a
> social life is to you.  Just email me.
> 
I wasn't complaining.  Though Lane Singer and others seem to feel that I
should be around (all the time) to answer their questions.  Maybe they
don't have a social life.  So perhaps they could have your generous offer?

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Friction in the liberal camp (was: re: QuitLettingThemDominateThisNG)
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> >People like Mike Beebe try to dominate this newsgroup with their PC
> >crap....don't let them!

> Absolutely.  Wouldn't want the average IQ of this newsgroup to get above room 
> temperature, eh, trailer-boy?

I see, so Mike's job is to lower the IQ down to room temperature.  Hey
Mike, Joel has just insulted you!

Also Joel, thanks for the admission that you are here to lower the IQ of
the newsgroup down to room temperature.  Any other liberals wish to
confess?

This goes well with my new theory that Negroes are more intelligent than
liberals.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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Subject: Re: QuitLettingThemDominateThisNG!
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In article <950917172903.7129@news.nbnet.nb.ca>, ashleys@nbnet.nb.ca (Sean
Ashley) wrote:

> On 17 Sep 1995 19:15:00 GMT,  ra@usa.pipeline.co writes:
> >
> >People like Mike Beebe try to dominate this newsgroup with their PC
> >crap....don't let them!
> >
> Well Paul, the reason that people like Mike dominate this newsgroup is because
> they have intelligent things to say, unlike you who has nothing intelligent to
> say.
> 
> Sean Ashley

I've seen it all now, thanks Sean.  You would expect to see a distancing
of liberals from Mike Beebe (if they were intelligent), but instead we see
liberals promoting Mike Beebe's intelligence.  I happen to like Mike
Beebe's posts because they are unintelligible.  It confirms that liberals
have nothing worthwhile to state.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Aryan projection
Date: 20 Sep 1995 00:16:05 GMT
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> >> Yes, evil Beavis must be an upstanding citizen of the liberal community. 
> >> We have a confession from Jeff Han that he reads alt.sex.sheep.  So one
> >> wonders where liberal depravity will end?
> >It probably never will.  Liberals are only too happy to get the rest of us
> >to be as filthy and degenerate as they are, so they no longer have to
> >hide their deviancy.
> 
>         Let me guess: Les and Colin can be found on alt.sex.we.are.sad.losers.
> who.cannot.get.laid.and.we.are.try.to.make.up.for.it.by.dressing.in.leather.
> while.pretending.we.are.not.practising.any.fetishes.especially.kinky.ones.
> involving.leather.or.live.animals.or.even.animal.carcases.really.we.just.want.
> to.prop.up.our.pathetic.egos.because.we.are.sad.sacks.of.shit?
>
How did you come to this conclusion?  Go there regularly?  Or do you like
"doing" it with live animals or even dead animal carcases?  Joined in with
Jeff Han's fetish with sheep perhaps?

Almost sounds as though you're proud on doing "kinky" sex with animals be
it live or dead.  Is having a non pathetic ego (in your definition) mean
using leather, live animals and dead animals in er, um, sexual practises?
 
>         Or maybe they're even kinkier?
> 
Been looking at other alt.sex groups have we Derek?

>         Derek "Sex Therapist" Bell

You're not trying to learn your therapy practise from that group mentioned
above are you?

Cailean.

P.S Please get well soon.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: new theory on pyramids
Date: 20 Sep 1995 02:20:02 GMT
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> >> i had always been told that nigras built the pyramids, but i want to 
> >> report in to the newsgroup this new theory i saw on the discovery 
> >> channel--some scientists are now saying that it was eqyptians that built 
> >> the pyramids.  i know that this theory will probably be rejected because 
> >> it is politically incorrect and the multicultural libs don't like it that 
> >> nigras invented only peanut butter.
> 
> >It's amazing, literally amazing.  Just to think that something so obvious
> >as this escaped the liberal's impeccable minds.  You should have kept this
> >quiet David, liberals object to anything that might actually teach them
> >something.  They like to maintain this air of ignorance, oops I mean
> >mystery, around them.
> 
>   With you and your WP comrades, `the air of ignorance' isn't a facade.  

You expect me to be serious?  You should read Bearcat's post in "Books..."
for a start (even forgetting your own intellectual posts).

>I wouldstill like to see some factual evidence on that matter that we
were  >discussing... (you know what I am talking about)
> 
Could you present a case for a change?  I'm afraid I despise the typical
liberal tactic:
WP: Evidence
LIB: Not good enough
WP: More Evidence
LIB: *idiot* you call this evidence?
WP: Even more evidence
LIB: *fucking idiot*
And so on...
Which I'm afraid you're doing.  Take for example the post Jeffrey Brown
started "McKinstry's DNA Test", all that happened was me bringing ideas
and quotes, and liberals ridiculing it.  Of course I knew liberal tactics
before I contemplated writing anything, but it is useful as an
illustration.  The most common tactic of lazy and ignorant people is to
get the other person to do the work, which is then ridiculed.  Take you as
an example, you have not presented one grain of evidence for your side,
instead you make rules like "One paragraph does not constitute evidence",
"art depictions do not count as evidence", "books before 1965 *could* be
subject to *whig history*" and so forth. Typical tactic of someone that is
inept and lazy.  Since I refuse to play the above game by your rules, you
must now present your own case.  Quite simple really.  Are you afraid that
I might act as the *LIB* in your presentation or something?

Quite simple, you are a loser.  Please rectify it.  I can respect Ken
McVay, but you? No.  Ken McVay actually does some work and is therefore
worthy of some respect.  You however have not presented anything worth
reading.  Chuck can occasionally write something funny, I can respect
that, you however can't write anything funny.  Mike Beebe can play the
clown, and is remarkably good at it.  You are a lousy clown, Mike bounces
back with a smile, you however don't.  Kevin Filan isn't afraid off
putting forward his theories about a subject, I can respect that, you
however can only say "idiot, moron or Colon".  Grego is prepared to
"listen" to a subject even if he disagrees with it, I can respect that,
you however, never "listen."  Jim Collier is trying different tactics to
bring me down, I can respect that, you however, can't change tactics.  At
least with Jeffrey Brown once he gets his reference he remains silent, I
don't respect that but at least he doesn't display a temper tantrum when
defeated, you however do, I despise that.  Jeanne realizes she can't win
against me so has put any posts of mine in a killfile, I can respect that
(no, I adore that), you however, have deluded yourself with your pride,
you are like a small dog that can only "yap."  Bearcat was once an
excessively emotional creature, once pointed out to him, he modified, you
however, still display your emotions with wanton abandon (for example "you
running away?").

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz wrote of Stalin's second wife, Nadezhda
Alliluyev:

(Note: in Russia, a female's surname has the feminine ending "A" or
"YA"...if the name is Russian, and otherwise is unchanged.  The name is
sometimes transliterated "Alliluyeva".)  

> > So you are trying to state the [that] Stalin's wife had no bearing on
Stalin's
> > actions?  That ['s] pretty incredible isn't it, especially considering
that the
> > Jews are matriachal?

Herostratus inanely blabs:

> Rectaltract, what is so comical about your claim is that Stalin's second
> wife who happened to be Jewish (well, at least her father was known to be
> Jewish) died in 1932, a year before the Nazis had even come to power in
> Berlin and seven years before the invasion of Poland, which is where World
> War II started.

> Their daugher, Svetlana Stalin, who later defected to the West and lived
> in the U.S. during the 1970s claimed that her father had murdered her
> mother.  I read Svetlana Stalin's memoir, although I don't know if I still
> have it around.  The official line is that Alliluyev. committed suicide. 
> Alliluyev's sister --- Stalin's sister-in-law --- also claimed that her
> sister had been murdered.  

> Now, it's difficult for me to understand what kind of influence a woman
> who has been murdered by her monster of a husband can have on him years
> after her death when his country has been overrun by the Nazis.  It really
> defies imagination.  It could have been that the same bullheaded stupidity
> that was in him when he murdered her (or drove her to suicide or whatever)
> was in him when he fretfully negotiated a non-agression pact with Hitler,
> who scared the shit out of Stalin (as is well known, Rectaltract).  Or
> maybe the way he treated her was on his conscience.  

Obviously Stalin was attracted to Jewesses...especially considering how
the Bolsheviks and the Jews in Russia were almost one.  Interesting that
he appointed a Jew as his propaganda puppet.  One would conclude that he
liked the Jews and since he liked them, they would have also played a
large influence on his thinking.

> Or maybe you can come up with another inane theory.  Maybe it was his
> cleaning woman that planted the little birdy in his ear?  Maybe his child
> Svetlana, grandaughter of a Jewish man, started World War II.  

Interesting comment about the "little birdy", reminds me of a particular
Jew after the battle of Waterloo...

> Do we blame Hitler on Eva Braun, or you on your mother?   

You have a interesting way of saying your sorry about my mother.

> If anybody cares, here's more.  Any Jewish person with eastern European
> ancestry should be able to confirm the following for Rectaltract, if he's
> curious...

> Before Hitler, and especially before the 1910s and the World War (WWI),
> the Russians were very pro-German.  In Russian cities, the intelligentsia
> looked to Germany as the center of learning...indeed, the capital of
> Russia had a German name.  (In Russian, St. Petersburg is called
> Sankt-Peterburg, which is German.)  

Indeed, which makes it more the blatant why a propagandist was needed to
disanul this image of Germany...

> Rural and small-town Yiddish-speaking
> Jews in the Pale, where many of our ancestors lived for over 700 years
> spoke a dialect of German.  To them, Germany was also the seat of learning
> and to many, was too progressive and too modern.  The German Jews
> considered themselves better off than the eastern European Jews. This is
> why in the 1930s, German Jews didn't realize at first that Hitler did not
> represent just another ordinary pogrom, that the post-1933 pogrom would be
> the all-time worst period in the history of Judaism since Abraham or
> whoever rode his camel to Canaan.

Indeed, they lost the power structure they were so accustomed too.  One
would pay to remember the name Rothschild.

> Herostratus

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:18:02 +1200
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> > There seems to be some sentiment against my posting of the celebrated
> > Jewish Journalist Llya Ehrenburg, well lets see what kind of influence the
> > journalist bore on the Red Army.
> > 
> > Caution is advised for those with weak stomach, the following is truely
> > horrific:
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> McKinstry mentions Ehrenburg in his prologue, and again in his sig.
> Ehrenburg is mentioned not once in the intervening description of Soviet
> atrocities.
> 
> McKinstry documents no connection between Ehrenburg or Ehrenburg's
> writings and the acts described. As usual, McKinstry's predeliction for
> asserting that which he cannot prove gets the better of him.
> 
Wasn't it mentioned that Ehrenburg's propaganda was given to every Red
Army soldier?  If that isn't connection then you have wierd sense of
logic.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Equality revisited, a new angle
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Why do we bother trying to prove to liberals that they are more
intelligent than the negro, when they keep saying they are their equal? 
For once in their lives, they would be correct.  Let them rejoice in their
correctness of being equal to a Negro.

However, I wish to propose a new theory:  The Negroes are more intelligent
than the liberals.

Reasons:  

(1) The (white) liberals cannot fathom how they could have built the
Egyptian Civilization.  They are correct, they couldn't have, the negro
would have done a better job than they could have.  Therefore by their
reasoning, negroes must have done it.
(2) Liberals cannot comprehend that America couldn't have built without
the Negro, which is correct, the liberal is too lazy to actually lift a
finger.  By comparison Negroes are more productive, therefore by their
reasoning, Negroes must have built America.
(3) Negroes don't commit crime by their reasoning.  Why is that? because
compared to what liberals are doing to the country, negro crime couldn't
compare.  Therefore, Negroes don't commit crime.
(4) Negroes don't rape, why? Liberals are raping the country 100% of the
time. A Negro raping some woman doesn't rate compared to their own raping.
(5) Negroes produce wonderful music to a liberal's ears, why?  Because
they like dwelling in the shit.  Negro music is only one step ahead of
their depravity, it therefore must be a godsend to them.
(6) Negroes don't keep sheep and therefore can't copulate with them.  To
the liberal, Negroes are moral and upstanding people.  Therefore the Negro
has more morals than the liberal, but not enough to insult the liberal
way.

I'm sure there are other reasons.  Any addition to my new theory on
"Negroes are more intelligent than liberals" would be most appreciated.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg



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