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Subject: Re: McKinstry's latest lie
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 08:46:45 +0000
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> > Hang on here, I never said parasite is defined as Jew.
> 
> McKinstry, you are lying... again. 
> 
> In message  dated Thu, 13
> Jul 1995, subject: 'Re: Talmud Teachings', you stated:
> 
> > The 1950's Webster Dictionary under the heading parasite lists
> > in the definition: Jew.
> 
> This is in direct contradiction to your claim quoted above, that you never
> said that parasite is defined as Jew.
> 
> > It's a slang definition of parasite, not the actual definition.
> 
> Again, this is in direct contradiction to your post of July 13, in which
> you stated that the definition was listed in "[t]he 1950's Webster
> Dictionary" -- generally used to determine "actual definitions".
> 
> I do not expect, McKinstry, that you will either correct or explain this
> inconsistency in your statements. Do not delude yourself, however, that
> such bald-faced lies go unnoticed.
> 
Jeffrey, I take it that you ignored the context.  Yes you can edit what I
wrote to back your argument.  However the discussion was a slang meanings
of goyim, and a Jew mentioned the term Jew as filth.  I notice that you
neglected to mention this.  If you took my saying as non slang then you
are one that should not ever complain about illiteracy of others.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: ARyans in Egypt and Greece? (LOL!!) (was RE: Egypt, Greece and India)
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> >White supremcists, white nationalists and so forth have regularly stated 
> >that the ancients of these nations were Aryan/white.  Some liberals 
> >contest this with some sort of proof (?).  I would suggest to these 
> >liberals that they take a trip to a good museum and have a look at these 
> >nations exhibits. 
> 
>  Then why did the greeks write about the "Aryans"?  Why did Caesar who 
>  was partial Greek (A roman was greek mixed in with various Italic 
>  tribes) write about the northern tribes (barbarians): he even identified 
>  them (paraphrased): "east of the rhine, they are tall in stature, light 
>  complexion and various hair colors, right of the rhine they are tall, 
>  light complexion Blonde and more barbaric than the people to the west;  
>  other than these features, they are almost identical as a people." 
> 
>  Caesar was talking about the ancient "Celts" and the various "Germanic" 
>  tribes.  The Celts occupied Northern Italy, France and Iberia (Spain) 
>  The Germanics were east of the Rhine River; the Slavs were to the east 
>  of the Germanics. 
> 
>  Now, this is clear evidence that the ARyans were not the Greeks, because 
>  in order for them to be Greek, they would have had to also have been 
>  Roman.  
> 
>  Various ARyan tribes, when hungry, used to attack towns in Greece. 
>   
>  You can't get around that.  Greek history gives us information about 
>  the ARyans.  Who wrote it?  Another group of ARyans, who described 
>  the Aryans as being "different"????? 
> 
Greeks were sandy haired.  Romans also described the Germans as different
yet the early Romans were the same.  Some Roman Catholic monks did similar
to the Vikings (during their raiding periods).

> >Having just been around Auckland's War Museum (26/07/1995).  I will now 
> >share the results.  First the Egyptian exhibit.  On centre stage we have a 
> >female mummy.  On the lid we have a sculpture of her face.  Thin lips, 
> >high cheek bones, long head, and more importantly pure white paint.   
> 
>  I'd be real careful about that.  There were reasons why the egyptians 
>  laid things out the way they did.  There were reasons for almost every 
>  thing.  From color to design etc. 
>
So this is an excuse for ignoring historical evidence?  Why would the most
powerful (at the time) nation want to have their progeny believe they were
white when they were Negroes?  Also you should find out the Egyptian's
belief in the afterlife, it should disprove very succinctly your statement
above.
 
>  And since when do Aryans have the market cornered with "high cheek 
>  bones and thin lips"? 
> 
lzaird believes the ancient egyptians were negro.

>  Egyptian people are not "Black"; they're more mediteranian.  They can 
>  have European features. 
> 
> >Then 
> >there is a hieroglyph of a red skinned man before one of the animal headed 
> >egyptian gods (also red skinned).  Then there are the statures of either 
> >red skinned people or white skinned people.  Not one black (or brown) 
> >stature among them and of course the flat nose and inflated lips are 
> >nonexistent as well. 
> 
>  I work with an Egyptian.  She does not have "inflated lips and a flat 
>  nose'. 
> 
The current Egyptians are mongrels (ie., mixed breed).

> >Next is the greek exhibit.  We have non painted statures of the greek men 
> >and women (we could say Aryan but since liberals can't tell negro features 
> >from Aryan features I'll move on).  However the Museum possesses two 
> >paintings of greek men.  Which of course have pink skin and light brown 
> >hair (sandy).   
> 
>  Greeks are European.  They are not Germanic, but they are white. 
> 
> >Lastly the Indian exhibit.  There are several time periods.  One of which 
> >covers the Aryans.  Again we have painted statures (and even a tapestry 
> >from SE Asia of the Indian Aryans -- from trade links).  Which of course 
> >show the Aryan skin and face (white, pink or red). 
> 
>  So because of one artist choice in color, you believe that ARyans 
>  were in India? 
>
Do you have a better meaning?  It seems very good evidence for proof that
they were fair and not dark.  Why would they want the world to now that
such a powerful nation was white when they were dark?
 
>  Maybe the color had other meaning?  Have you thought of that?  Maybe 
>  the artist wasn't a racist. 
>
Maybe the artists were painting the everyday person.
 
> >Somehow I doubt this will convince the liberals, so I suggest you do your 
> >own tour of a Museum.   
> 
>  It wouldn't even convince a Libertarian like myself. 
> 
> >Though even after this I can expect lzaird to 
> >continue to believe in Negro (sorry, Sub Saharan) high civilization of 
> >Egypt.   
> 
>  I would not classify Egyptians as "Negro".  I think the closest 
>  articulation would be "mediteranian". 
>
lzaird's beliefs again.
 
> >Which indicates the level of intelligence lzaird has attained.   
> 
>  Of course, you couldn't show the readership how this indicates 
>  any level of intellect, could you? 
>
No, but your reply indicates your own.  You're a parrot that has never
bothered to examine evidence.  You only believe some charismatic figure
that tells you differently to what is actually there.

> >Of 
> >course if a Museum is too much effort, a poor substitute is a good book on 
> >the relevant time periods.  It's a lot harder to dispute an actual exhibit 
> >(though I'm sure lzaird will try). 
> 
>  Alls I can say is "dream on". 
>
Dreamers tend to be highly successful.  The tend to have goals whereas
parrots don't.
 
>  Our European ancestors (Gaul, Germania, Iberia, Brittania, Italia), 
>  were tribal, barbaric, and nomadic. 
> 
>  About half were "Germanic" and the others were "Celtic".  And the 
>  differences between these two groups is getting cloudier and cloudier 
>  as scientists try to reconstruct their cultures.  Of course there were 
>  other groups in Europe: "Etruscans of Northern Italy", the "Picts" of 
>  Great Britain; these tribes were absorbed by either the Celts or the 
>  various Germanic tribes. 
> 
>  Nobody knows anything about these ancient Europeans unless we refer to  
>  "Greek and Roman" literature.  If it wasn't for Greek and Rome, we  
>  wouldn't have known anything about the Celts, Saxons, Goths, Etruscans or  
>  the Gauls. 
> 
Too bad they didn't leave any evidence, or skeletons or anything of that
nature to back up the Greek and Roman authors.

>  So, to say the least, the very historical references we use to find 
>  information on the ARyans, were written by the Greeks and Romans: a 
>  different culture. 
> 
>  Your theory is flawed. 
> 
Too bad I looked at actual artifacts, not Greek and Roman authors.  

Colin.


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Subject: Re: ARyans in Egypt and Greece? (LOL!!) (was RE: Egypt, Greece and India)
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> >White supremcists, white nationalists and so forth have regularly stated 
> >that the ancients of these nations were Aryan/white.  Some liberals 
> >contest this with some sort of proof (?).  I would suggest to these 
> >liberals that they take a trip to a good museum and have a look at these 
> >nations exhibits. 
> 
>  Then why did the greeks write about the "Aryans"?  Why did Caesar who 
>  was partial Greek (A roman was greek mixed in with various Italic 
>  tribes) write about the northern tribes (barbarians): he even identified 
>  them (paraphrased): "east of the rhine, they are tall in stature, light 
>  complexion and various hair colors, right of the rhine they are tall, 
>  light complexion Blonde and more barbaric than the people to the west;  
>  other than these features, they are almost identical as a people." 
> 
>  Caesar was talking about the ancient "Celts" and the various "Germanic" 
>  tribes.  The Celts occupied Northern Italy, France and Iberia (Spain) 
>  The Germanics were east of the Rhine River; the Slavs were to the east 
>  of the Germanics. 
> 
>  Now, this is clear evidence that the ARyans were not the Greeks, because 
>  in order for them to be Greek, they would have had to also have been 
>  Roman.  
> 
>  Various ARyan tribes, when hungry, used to attack towns in Greece. 
>   
>  You can't get around that.  Greek history gives us information about 
>  the ARyans.  Who wrote it?  Another group of ARyans, who described 
>  the Aryans as being "different"????? 
> 
Greeks were sandy haired.  Romans also described the Germans as different
yet the early Romans were the same.  Some Roman Catholic monks did similar
to the Vikings (during their raiding periods).

> >Having just been around Auckland's War Museum (26/07/1995).  I will now 
> >share the results.  First the Egyptian exhibit.  On centre stage we have a 
> >female mummy.  On the lid we have a sculpture of her face.  Thin lips, 
> >high cheek bones, long head, and more importantly pure white paint.   
> 
>  I'd be real careful about that.  There were reasons why the egyptians 
>  laid things out the way they did.  There were reasons for almost every 
>  thing.  From color to design etc. 
>
So this is an excuse for ignoring historical evidence?  Why would the most
powerful (at the time) nation want to have their progeny believe they were
white when they were Negroes?  Also you should find out the Egyptian's
belief in the afterlife, it should disprove very succinctly your statement
above.
 
>  And since when do Aryans have the market cornered with "high cheek 
>  bones and thin lips"? 
> 
lzaird believes the ancient egyptians were negro.

>  Egyptian people are not "Black"; they're more mediteranian.  They can 
>  have European features. 
> 
> >Then 
> >there is a hieroglyph of a red skinned man before one of the animal headed 
> >egyptian gods (also red skinned).  Then there are the statures of either 
> >red skinned people or white skinned people.  Not one black (or brown) 
> >stature among them and of course the flat nose and inflated lips are 
> >nonexistent as well. 
> 
>  I work with an Egyptian.  She does not have "inflated lips and a flat 
>  nose'. 
> 
The current Egyptians are mongrels (ie., mixed breed).

> >Next is the greek exhibit.  We have non painted statures of the greek men 
> >and women (we could say Aryan but since liberals can't tell negro features 
> >from Aryan features I'll move on).  However the Museum possesses two 
> >paintings of greek men.  Which of course have pink skin and light brown 
> >hair (sandy).   
> 
>  Greeks are European.  They are not Germanic, but they are white. 
> 
> >Lastly the Indian exhibit.  There are several time periods.  One of which 
> >covers the Aryans.  Again we have painted statures (and even a tapestry 
> >from SE Asia of the Indian Aryans -- from trade links).  Which of course 
> >show the Aryan skin and face (white, pink or red). 
> 
>  So because of one artist choice in color, you believe that ARyans 
>  were in India? 
>
Do you have a better meaning?  It seems very good evidence for proof that
they were fair and not dark.  Why would they want the world to now that
such a powerful nation was white when they were dark?
 
>  Maybe the color had other meaning?  Have you thought of that?  Maybe 
>  the artist wasn't a racist. 
>
Maybe the artists were painting the everyday person.
 
> >Somehow I doubt this will convince the liberals, so I suggest you do your 
> >own tour of a Museum.   
> 
>  It wouldn't even convince a Libertarian like myself. 
> 
> >Though even after this I can expect lzaird to 
> >continue to believe in Negro (sorry, Sub Saharan) high civilization of 
> >Egypt.   
> 
>  I would not classify Egyptians as "Negro".  I think the closest 
>  articulation would be "mediteranian". 
>
lzaird's beliefs again.
 
> >Which indicates the level of intelligence lzaird has attained.   
> 
>  Of course, you couldn't show the readership how this indicates 
>  any level of intellect, could you? 
>
No, but your reply indicates your own.  You're a parrot that has never
bothered to examine evidence.  You only believe some charismatic figure
that tells you differently to what is actually there.

> >Of 
> >course if a Museum is too much effort, a poor substitute is a good book on 
> >the relevant time periods.  It's a lot harder to dispute an actual exhibit 
> >(though I'm sure lzaird will try). 
> 
>  Alls I can say is "dream on". 
>
Dreamers tend to be highly successful.  The tend to have goals whereas
parrots don't.
 
>  Our European ancestors (Gaul, Germania, Iberia, Brittania, Italia), 
>  were tribal, barbaric, and nomadic. 
> 
>  About half were "Germanic" and the others were "Celtic".  And the 
>  differences between these two groups is getting cloudier and cloudier 
>  as scientists try to reconstruct their cultures.  Of course there were 
>  other groups in Europe: "Etruscans of Northern Italy", the "Picts" of 
>  Great Britain; these tribes were absorbed by either the Celts or the 
>  various Germanic tribes. 
> 
>  Nobody knows anything about these ancient Europeans unless we refer to  
>  "Greek and Roman" literature.  If it wasn't for Greek and Rome, we  
>  wouldn't have known anything about the Celts, Saxons, Goths, Etruscans or  
>  the Gauls. 
> 
Too bad they didn't leave any evidence, or skeletons or anything of that
nature to back up the Greek and Roman authors.

>  So, to say the least, the very historical references we use to find 
>  information on the ARyans, were written by the Greeks and Romans: a 
>  different culture. 
> 
>  Your theory is flawed. 
> 
Too bad I looked at actual artifacts, not Greek and Roman authors.  

Colin.


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> Duncan you seem to be on a crusade against black people. 
> 
> You feel that your race is superior to mine, lets not argue the point.
> 
> It can so easiliy be disproved by that fact that AFRICAN students
> 
> consistantly out perform, the native population at A'Level and at
> 
> university by a wide margin.
> 
Which country is this in? Latin America?
> 
> African-Caribeans fall behind African students. They are between 15%-25%
> 
> white, what does this tell me about your theory of African racial inferiority?
> 
I didn't realize so many African-Caribeans had moved to Latin America.
> 
> Tell me about your problems Duncan? mabey I can help you get over what ever
> 
> your suffering from.
> 
> 
If what you are saying is correct in a civilised country then I imagine
the courses they excel in are things like African studies, Rap Music,
cross dressing, street mugging and other African strong subjects.  Do they
offer courses in cannabalism?

Colin.  The real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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Subject: Re: ARyans in Egypt and Greece? (LOL!!) (was RE: Egypt, Greece and India)
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> >White supremcists, white nationalists and so forth have regularly stated 
> >that the ancients of these nations were Aryan/white.  Some liberals 
> >contest this with some sort of proof (?).  I would suggest to these 
> >liberals that they take a trip to a good museum and have a look at these 
> >nations exhibits. 
> 
>  Then why did the greeks write about the "Aryans"?  Why did Caesar who 
>  was partial Greek (A roman was greek mixed in with various Italic 
>  tribes) write about the northern tribes (barbarians): he even identified 
>  them (paraphrased): "east of the rhine, they are tall in stature, light 
>  complexion and various hair colors, right of the rhine they are tall, 
>  light complexion Blonde and more barbaric than the people to the west;  
>  other than these features, they are almost identical as a people." 
> 
>  Caesar was talking about the ancient "Celts" and the various "Germanic" 
>  tribes.  The Celts occupied Northern Italy, France and Iberia (Spain) 
>  The Germanics were east of the Rhine River; the Slavs were to the east 
>  of the Germanics. 
> 
>  Now, this is clear evidence that the ARyans were not the Greeks, because 
>  in order for them to be Greek, they would have had to also have been 
>  Roman.  
> 
>  Various ARyan tribes, when hungry, used to attack towns in Greece. 
>   
>  You can't get around that.  Greek history gives us information about 
>  the ARyans.  Who wrote it?  Another group of ARyans, who described 
>  the Aryans as being "different"????? 
> 
Greeks were sandy haired.  Romans also described the Germans as different
yet the early Romans were the same.  Some Roman Catholic monks did similar
to the Vikings (during their raiding periods).

> >Having just been around Auckland's War Museum (26/07/1995).  I will now 
> >share the results.  First the Egyptian exhibit.  On centre stage we have a 
> >female mummy.  On the lid we have a sculpture of her face.  Thin lips, 
> >high cheek bones, long head, and more importantly pure white paint.   
> 
>  I'd be real careful about that.  There were reasons why the egyptians 
>  laid things out the way they did.  There were reasons for almost every 
>  thing.  From color to design etc. 
>
So this is an excuse for ignoring historical evidence?  Why would the most
powerful (at the time) nation want to have their progeny believe they were
white when they were Negroes?  Also you should find out the Egyptian's
belief in the afterlife, it should disprove very succinctly your statement
above.
 
>  And since when do Aryans have the market cornered with "high cheek 
>  bones and thin lips"? 
> 
lzaird believes the ancient egyptians were negro.

>  Egyptian people are not "Black"; they're more mediteranian.  They can 
>  have European features. 
> 
> >Then 
> >there is a hieroglyph of a red skinned man before one of the animal headed 
> >egyptian gods (also red skinned).  Then there are the statures of either 
> >red skinned people or white skinned people.  Not one black (or brown) 
> >stature among them and of course the flat nose and inflated lips are 
> >nonexistent as well. 
> 
>  I work with an Egyptian.  She does not have "inflated lips and a flat 
>  nose'. 
> 
The current Egyptians are mongrels (ie., mixed breed).

> >Next is the greek exhibit.  We have non painted statures of the greek men 
> >and women (we could say Aryan but since liberals can't tell negro features 
> >from Aryan features I'll move on).  However the Museum possesses two 
> >paintings of greek men.  Which of course have pink skin and light brown 
> >hair (sandy).   
> 
>  Greeks are European.  They are not Germanic, but they are white. 
> 
> >Lastly the Indian exhibit.  There are several time periods.  One of which 
> >covers the Aryans.  Again we have painted statures (and even a tapestry 
> >from SE Asia of the Indian Aryans -- from trade links).  Which of course 
> >show the Aryan skin and face (white, pink or red). 
> 
>  So because of one artist choice in color, you believe that ARyans 
>  were in India? 
>
Do you have a better meaning?  It seems very good evidence for proof that
they were fair and not dark.  Why would they want the world to now that
such a powerful nation was white when they were dark?
 
>  Maybe the color had other meaning?  Have you thought of that?  Maybe 
>  the artist wasn't a racist. 
>
Maybe the artists were painting the everyday person.
 
> >Somehow I doubt this will convince the liberals, so I suggest you do your 
> >own tour of a Museum.   
> 
>  It wouldn't even convince a Libertarian like myself. 
> 
> >Though even after this I can expect lzaird to 
> >continue to believe in Negro (sorry, Sub Saharan) high civilization of 
> >Egypt.   
> 
>  I would not classify Egyptians as "Negro".  I think the closest 
>  articulation would be "mediteranian". 
>
lzaird's beliefs again.
 
> >Which indicates the level of intelligence lzaird has attained.   
> 
>  Of course, you couldn't show the readership how this indicates 
>  any level of intellect, could you? 
>
No, but your reply indicates your own.  You're a parrot that has never
bothered to examine evidence.  You only believe some charismatic figure
that tells you differently to what is actually there.

> >Of 
> >course if a Museum is too much effort, a poor substitute is a good book on 
> >the relevant time periods.  It's a lot harder to dispute an actual exhibit 
> >(though I'm sure lzaird will try). 
> 
>  Alls I can say is "dream on". 
>
Dreamers tend to be highly successful.  The tend to have goals whereas
parrots don't.
 
>  Our European ancestors (Gaul, Germania, Iberia, Brittania, Italia), 
>  were tribal, barbaric, and nomadic. 
> 
>  About half were "Germanic" and the others were "Celtic".  And the 
>  differences between these two groups is getting cloudier and cloudier 
>  as scientists try to reconstruct their cultures.  Of course there were 
>  other groups in Europe: "Etruscans of Northern Italy", the "Picts" of 
>  Great Britain; these tribes were absorbed by either the Celts or the 
>  various Germanic tribes. 
> 
>  Nobody knows anything about these ancient Europeans unless we refer to  
>  "Greek and Roman" literature.  If it wasn't for Greek and Rome, we  
>  wouldn't have known anything about the Celts, Saxons, Goths, Etruscans or  
>  the Gauls. 
> 
Too bad they didn't leave any evidence, or skeletons or anything of that
nature to back up the Greek and Roman authors.

>  So, to say the least, the very historical references we use to find 
>  information on the ARyans, were written by the Greeks and Romans: a 
>  different culture. 
> 
>  Your theory is flawed. 
> 
Too bad I looked at actual artifacts, not Greek and Roman authors.  

Colin.


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> Duncan you seem to be on a crusade against black people. 
> 
> You feel that your race is superior to mine, lets not argue the point.
> 
> It can so easiliy be disproved by that fact that AFRICAN students
> 
> consistantly out perform, the native population at A'Level and at
> 
> university by a wide margin.
> 
Which country is this in? Latin America?
> 
> African-Caribeans fall behind African students. They are between 15%-25%
> 
> white, what does this tell me about your theory of African racial inferiority?
> 
I didn't realize so many African-Caribeans had moved to Latin America.
> 
> Tell me about your problems Duncan? mabey I can help you get over what ever
> 
> your suffering from.
> 
> 
If what you are saying is correct in a civilised country then I imagine
the courses they excel in are things like African studies, Rap Music,
cross dressing, street mugging and other African strong subjects.  Do they
offer courses in cannabalism?

Colin.  The real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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> Duncan you seem to be on a crusade against black people. 
> 
> You feel that your race is superior to mine, lets not argue the point.
> 
> It can so easiliy be disproved by that fact that AFRICAN students
> 
> consistantly out perform, the native population at A'Level and at
> 
> university by a wide margin.
> 
Which country is this in? Latin America?
> 
> African-Caribeans fall behind African students. They are between 15%-25%
> 
> white, what does this tell me about your theory of African racial inferiority?
> 
I didn't realize so many African-Caribeans had moved to Latin America.
> 
> Tell me about your problems Duncan? mabey I can help you get over what ever
> 
> your suffering from.
> 
> 
If what you are saying is correct in a civilised country then I imagine
the courses they excel in are things like African studies, Rap Music,
cross dressing, street mugging and other African strong subjects.  Do they
offer courses in cannabalism?

Colin.  The real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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> : Ah, I see "Beebe the insulting" is back to hurl insults at those he can't
> : rationally argue against....
> 
>     I see you're still an illiterate idiot who hasn't leanred to use a news
>     reader yet . . .
> 
Mike once again calling the kettle black.

Mike "I only open my mouth to change feet"  Beebe.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   The first advanced civilization in Europe arose on the island of 
> Crete, now part of Greece. People from Europe, Africa, and Asia settled
> there. Crete had plumbing, a merchant navy, an international trading 
> business, sophisticated architecture, gorgeous art and by the standards 
> of the time was apparently a reasonably peaceful society. There is also 
> evidence to suggest that genders related to each other on a fairly equal 
> basis.
>   Its astounding what Europeans, Africans and Asians can do when they 
> work together. We should try it again sometime. 

To which part of Asia are you referring?  There is no evidence that the
short, slit eyed people were involved.  You are of course referring to the
same place that Sargon I of Agade raided aren't you?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>         He has accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who
>         has the brain power of a retarded snail would write such a
>         thing, either that or someone experienced in such sexual
>         practises...
> 
> On the other hand, Mr. McKinstry has accused Jews of molesting "three-
> year-old girls" or "nine-year-old boys!"  By Mr. McKinstry's own logic:
> 
>         Only someone who has the brain power of a retarded snail would
>         write such a thing, either that or someone experienced in such
>         sexual practises...
> 
> So, Mr. McKinstry either "has the brain power of a retarded snail," or
> else he is a practicing pederast!
> 
Flawed logic, the Talmud Sanhedrin 55a-55b allows Jews to molest
three-year-old girls and nine-year-old boys.  There was no need to imagine
it, since it is clearly written down in the Talmud.  However Richard
Schultz used his imagination and since there is a law against it, it
reflects his intellectual level.  However he has since stated that was not
his meaning. 

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   Your brain is like a mass of saltwater taffy that anyone can stretch or pull
> at will, Colon.  It probably has to be that way, though, if you are going to
> be susceptible to the verbal ejaculations of morons like Less and Pidgin. 

Too bad I thrashed you some time ago in an argument.  Sort of goes against
your reasoning, but then you were never very good at derogatry remarks.
 
> Your responses are becoming tiresome- if I wanted an echo, I'd buy a
parrot,    Colon.  If you are going to flame, at least be original, OK?
>
Obviously the old methods still bite...
 
>   BTW, I said to ease up on the Valium, Colon, not to go cold turkey off it.
> The symptoms of that were evident in that last echo of yours- you were ranting
> (again)...
> 
Seeing as I have no experience with Valium and therefore have no knowledge
of it's effects, we must expect that you have gone through this
procedure.  Is this what your psychiatrist prescribed?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.

P.S Get well soon.


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> : > Duncan you seem to be on a crusade against black people. 
> : > You feel that your race is superior to mine, lets not argue the point.
> : > It can so easiliy be disproved by that fact that AFRICAN students
> : > consistantly out perform, the native population at A'Level and at
> : > university by a wide margin.
> : > 
> : Which country is this in? Latin America?
> : > 
> : > African-Caribeans fall behind African students. They are between 15%-25%
> : > white, what does this tell me about your theory of African racial 
> : >inferiority?
> 
> No, what the poster you quote is doing is drawing out the fact that the
> black population in the UK is divided into those who came via the Carribean
> and those who came direct from Africa. The only ethnic division between the
> two groups is that those from the Carribean have some white ancestry in their
> background. There is, of course, considerable cultural difference due to
> their divergent history.
> 
> It happens to be a fact that pupils from a direct African background
have better
> exam grades than pupils from a white background. Part of the reason for this
> is that immigrants to the UK from Africa tend to be from the educated top
> social groups of their own country.
> 
Makes sense.  So the UK is getting the creme of the Blacks.  Whereas the
statistics are based (for whites) on the entire population.  

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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> : Ah, I see "Beebe the insulting" is back to hurl insults at those he can't
> : rationally argue against....
> 
>     I see you're still an illiterate idiot who hasn't leanred to use a news
>     reader yet . . .
> 
Mike once again calling the kettle black.

Mike "I only open my mouth to change feet"  Beebe.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   The first advanced civilization in Europe arose on the island of 
> Crete, now part of Greece. People from Europe, Africa, and Asia settled
> there. Crete had plumbing, a merchant navy, an international trading 
> business, sophisticated architecture, gorgeous art and by the standards 
> of the time was apparently a reasonably peaceful society. There is also 
> evidence to suggest that genders related to each other on a fairly equal 
> basis.
>   Its astounding what Europeans, Africans and Asians can do when they 
> work together. We should try it again sometime. 

To which part of Asia are you referring?  There is no evidence that the
short, slit eyed people were involved.  You are of course referring to the
same place that Sargon I of Agade raided aren't you?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>         He has accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who
>         has the brain power of a retarded snail would write such a
>         thing, either that or someone experienced in such sexual
>         practises...
> 
> On the other hand, Mr. McKinstry has accused Jews of molesting "three-
> year-old girls" or "nine-year-old boys!"  By Mr. McKinstry's own logic:
> 
>         Only someone who has the brain power of a retarded snail would
>         write such a thing, either that or someone experienced in such
>         sexual practises...
> 
> So, Mr. McKinstry either "has the brain power of a retarded snail," or
> else he is a practicing pederast!
> 
Flawed logic, the Talmud Sanhedrin 55a-55b allows Jews to molest
three-year-old girls and nine-year-old boys.  There was no need to imagine
it, since it is clearly written down in the Talmud.  However Richard
Schultz used his imagination and since there is a law against it, it
reflects his intellectual level.  However he has since stated that was not
his meaning. 

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   Your brain is like a mass of saltwater taffy that anyone can stretch or pull
> at will, Colon.  It probably has to be that way, though, if you are going to
> be susceptible to the verbal ejaculations of morons like Less and Pidgin. 

Too bad I thrashed you some time ago in an argument.  Sort of goes against
your reasoning, but then you were never very good at derogatry remarks.
 
> Your responses are becoming tiresome- if I wanted an echo, I'd buy a
parrot,    Colon.  If you are going to flame, at least be original, OK?
>
Obviously the old methods still bite...
 
>   BTW, I said to ease up on the Valium, Colon, not to go cold turkey off it.
> The symptoms of that were evident in that last echo of yours- you were ranting
> (again)...
> 
Seeing as I have no experience with Valium and therefore have no knowledge
of it's effects, we must expect that you have gone through this
procedure.  Is this what your psychiatrist prescribed?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.

P.S Get well soon.


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> : Ah, I see "Beebe the insulting" is back to hurl insults at those he can't
> : rationally argue against....
> 
>     I see you're still an illiterate idiot who hasn't leanred to use a news
>     reader yet . . .
> 
Mike once again calling the kettle black.

Mike "I only open my mouth to change feet"  Beebe.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   The first advanced civilization in Europe arose on the island of 
> Crete, now part of Greece. People from Europe, Africa, and Asia settled
> there. Crete had plumbing, a merchant navy, an international trading 
> business, sophisticated architecture, gorgeous art and by the standards 
> of the time was apparently a reasonably peaceful society. There is also 
> evidence to suggest that genders related to each other on a fairly equal 
> basis.
>   Its astounding what Europeans, Africans and Asians can do when they 
> work together. We should try it again sometime. 

To which part of Asia are you referring?  There is no evidence that the
short, slit eyed people were involved.  You are of course referring to the
same place that Sargon I of Agade raided aren't you?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>         He has accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who
>         has the brain power of a retarded snail would write such a
>         thing, either that or someone experienced in such sexual
>         practises...
> 
> On the other hand, Mr. McKinstry has accused Jews of molesting "three-
> year-old girls" or "nine-year-old boys!"  By Mr. McKinstry's own logic:
> 
>         Only someone who has the brain power of a retarded snail would
>         write such a thing, either that or someone experienced in such
>         sexual practises...
> 
> So, Mr. McKinstry either "has the brain power of a retarded snail," or
> else he is a practicing pederast!
> 
Flawed logic, the Talmud Sanhedrin 55a-55b allows Jews to molest
three-year-old girls and nine-year-old boys.  There was no need to imagine
it, since it is clearly written down in the Talmud.  However Richard
Schultz used his imagination and since there is a law against it, it
reflects his intellectual level.  However he has since stated that was not
his meaning. 

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   Your brain is like a mass of saltwater taffy that anyone can stretch or pull
> at will, Colon.  It probably has to be that way, though, if you are going to
> be susceptible to the verbal ejaculations of morons like Less and Pidgin. 

Too bad I thrashed you some time ago in an argument.  Sort of goes against
your reasoning, but then you were never very good at derogatry remarks.
 
> Your responses are becoming tiresome- if I wanted an echo, I'd buy a
parrot,    Colon.  If you are going to flame, at least be original, OK?
>
Obviously the old methods still bite...
 
>   BTW, I said to ease up on the Valium, Colon, not to go cold turkey off it.
> The symptoms of that were evident in that last echo of yours- you were ranting
> (again)...
> 
Seeing as I have no experience with Valium and therefore have no knowledge
of it's effects, we must expect that you have gone through this
procedure.  Is this what your psychiatrist prescribed?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.

P.S Get well soon.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> You don't understand: white supremacists are ALREADY stupid.  Look at
> the white power types posting in here.. Les Griswold, Colin McKinstry,
> George "The Coward" Burdi, etc.  These guys, collectively, have got the
> brains of a Rolodex.  Well, we're not sure about Les; it takes at least an 85
> I.Q. to lie as well as he does, though granted he always gets caught
eventually.
> 
I take it that this 85 I.Q with lying comes from personal experience?  How
else would you know?

> So, you see, dumbkopfs like these are trying to *lower* competition.  In
a competitive
> world, they're not doing so well.

So where do you feature in this competitive world?  I take it the welfare
department gives you reasonable handouts for your low I.Q (85 or perhaps a
Rolodex)?  I assume the mentally handicapped are well looked after in the
USA.

Colin.


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> : Ah, I see "Beebe the insulting" is back to hurl insults at those he can't
> : rationally argue against....
> 
>     I see you're still an illiterate idiot who hasn't leanred to use a news
>     reader yet . . .
> 
Mike once again calling the kettle black.

Mike "I only open my mouth to change feet"  Beebe.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   The first advanced civilization in Europe arose on the island of 
> Crete, now part of Greece. People from Europe, Africa, and Asia settled
> there. Crete had plumbing, a merchant navy, an international trading 
> business, sophisticated architecture, gorgeous art and by the standards 
> of the time was apparently a reasonably peaceful society. There is also 
> evidence to suggest that genders related to each other on a fairly equal 
> basis.
>   Its astounding what Europeans, Africans and Asians can do when they 
> work together. We should try it again sometime. 

To which part of Asia are you referring?  There is no evidence that the
short, slit eyed people were involved.  You are of course referring to the
same place that Sargon I of Agade raided aren't you?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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> : Ah, I see "Beebe the insulting" is back to hurl insults at those he can't
> : rationally argue against....
> 
>     I see you're still an illiterate idiot who hasn't leanred to use a news
>     reader yet . . .
> 
Mike once again calling the kettle black.

Mike "I only open my mouth to change feet"  Beebe.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   The first advanced civilization in Europe arose on the island of 
> Crete, now part of Greece. People from Europe, Africa, and Asia settled
> there. Crete had plumbing, a merchant navy, an international trading 
> business, sophisticated architecture, gorgeous art and by the standards 
> of the time was apparently a reasonably peaceful society. There is also 
> evidence to suggest that genders related to each other on a fairly equal 
> basis.
>   Its astounding what Europeans, Africans and Asians can do when they 
> work together. We should try it again sometime. 

To which part of Asia are you referring?  There is no evidence that the
short, slit eyed people were involved.  You are of course referring to the
same place that Sargon I of Agade raided aren't you?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>         He has accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who
>         has the brain power of a retarded snail would write such a
>         thing, either that or someone experienced in such sexual
>         practises...
> 
> On the other hand, Mr. McKinstry has accused Jews of molesting "three-
> year-old girls" or "nine-year-old boys!"  By Mr. McKinstry's own logic:
> 
>         Only someone who has the brain power of a retarded snail would
>         write such a thing, either that or someone experienced in such
>         sexual practises...
> 
> So, Mr. McKinstry either "has the brain power of a retarded snail," or
> else he is a practicing pederast!
> 
Flawed logic, the Talmud Sanhedrin 55a-55b allows Jews to molest
three-year-old girls and nine-year-old boys.  There was no need to imagine
it, since it is clearly written down in the Talmud.  However Richard
Schultz used his imagination and since there is a law against it, it
reflects his intellectual level.  However he has since stated that was not
his meaning. 

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   Your brain is like a mass of saltwater taffy that anyone can stretch or pull
> at will, Colon.  It probably has to be that way, though, if you are going to
> be susceptible to the verbal ejaculations of morons like Less and Pidgin. 

Too bad I thrashed you some time ago in an argument.  Sort of goes against
your reasoning, but then you were never very good at derogatry remarks.
 
> Your responses are becoming tiresome- if I wanted an echo, I'd buy a
parrot,    Colon.  If you are going to flame, at least be original, OK?
>
Obviously the old methods still bite...
 
>   BTW, I said to ease up on the Valium, Colon, not to go cold turkey off it.
> The symptoms of that were evident in that last echo of yours- you were ranting
> (again)...
> 
Seeing as I have no experience with Valium and therefore have no knowledge
of it's effects, we must expect that you have gone through this
procedure.  Is this what your psychiatrist prescribed?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.

P.S Get well soon.


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Subject: Captain John Smith & Pocachontas
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I thought I'd drag this subject back seeing as the jewish propaganda
machine over this movie has hit New Zealand.

First some history on Captain John Smith.  His three successive duels
between three Turkish champions made him a hero.  His coat of arms for
this feat featured three Turkish heads.  In a latter battle he was to be
taken prisoner and enslaved by a Turkish master.  Whose head he latter
smashed.  His journey back to England involved defeating pirates.  So
Captain John Smith was an accomplished military man.  He was also known as
a good keen christian (unlikely to believe in wood spirits and so forth).

He arrived in the Americas in 1607.  His meeting with Pocachontas occured
in 1608.  Having been captured by the local indians, he was about to be
executed with a club (head smashed) when Pocachantas ripped off her top in
the act of submission and threw her hands around his head, appealing to
her father for his preservation.  Pocachantas was an obese woman at this
time.  If anything did occur between Captain John Smith and Pocachantas it
would have been remarkably brief as he left the Americas in 1609. 
Pocachantas slimmed down and married an Englishman by the name of John
Rolfe (whom it is claimed she loved).  Soon after her arrival in England
she died either to smallpox or influenza.

Going back to 1607 he arrived in Jamestown which was beleaguered by Indian
thieves (not much has changed).  These Indians were christianized and were
therefore equal with the settlers (or so the liberal types of the time
maintained.)  One blatant Indian that was stealing a valuable item from
the fort was witnessed by the Captain after which he drew his sword and
cut down the offender.  Thieving stopped.
Here are some immortal words on the subject of the "in tune with nature"
noble savage indians by Captain John Smith.  Note that it is in a foreign
language to liberals:

"The Turkies, and other beasts and Fowle, will exceedingly increase if we
beat the Savages out of the Country, for all times of the yeere they never
spare Male nor Female, old nor young, eggs nor birds, fat nor leane, in
season nor out of season with them all is one"*

ie., the "in tune with nature" indians ate everything and spared nothing. 
Leaving no animals to continue breeding.  Which would account for their
nomadic lifestyle.

* Capt. John Smith, The General Historie, Richmond 1819.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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> > > > I seem to recall you saying I was going through a drug facility. 
It seems
> > > > my hypothesis was correct.  You based your assumption on your own
> > > > experiences.
> > > 
> > > Nah, I said you were checking into "Loons R Us" for electroshock
> > > treatments and getting your meds adjusted.
> > > 
> > I have never met a person with more grand delusions that Jeanne
> > Kowalewski.  Not only does she have telepathy, but teleportation 
> 
> This is great stuff, Colin! I was looking for more things to pad out my
> resume, and having the abilities for telepathy, teleportation, and
> levitation actually makes someone more employable in Eugene! 
> 
I'm sure you can be even more inventive.  Whatever you are taking it seems
to be working.

> > (Bzzzt, in case you hadn't noticed there is a big ditch between America and
> > New Zealand). 
> 
> Yes, and there's also a big ditch between rational thinking and whatever
> little obsessions are lurking in your mind. (NOTICE THE "BIG DITCH"
> REFERENCE THIS WEEK, FOLKS.)
>
How did you make this connection?  For someone that claims to have
telepathy it seems rather remarkable that you even know what rational
thinking is.
 
> > She also claims she can talk to cats. 
> 
> I do -- and I talk to my dogs, my husband, my neighbors, my kids, my
> friends, my professors and academic peers. Sometimes I talk on the
> telephone, and I have been known to curse at my computer!
>
It's te cats talking back that worries me.  Perhaps Jeff Han's remarkable
psychiatrist could be of some assistance for you?
 
> > Jeanne, do you believe you can levitate?  Ever been to Mars? 
> 
> No, but I do float in water. I've never been to Mars, but one of my
> hubby's favorite movies is _Mars Needs Women_.
>
Didn't you mention above you can levitate?  Which personality are you
now?  Ever had problems with split personalities before?   You really
should talk to Jeff Han's psychiatrist.
 
> > Have you ever had a conversation with your plants and they talk back? 
> 
> I just decide which houseplants to buy and which plants to put in our
> yard. My hubby takes care of them, but our cats get into them frequently.
> Does that count?
> 
> > I am assuming a yes to all of these. 
> 
> Well, you've just demonstrated that a reality-impaired miscreant such as
> yourself shouldn't make assumptions.
> 
Jeanne, in case you hadn't noticed in the world of reality people don't
have telepathy, however you claim that you do...

> > Jeff Han apparently has a good pyschiatrist.  Perhaps you can
> > visit this pyschiatrist (I'd imagine he is very good, considering one of
> > his patients is Jeff Han).
> 
> Tell us how to find a good shrink, Colin. I'm afraid my experiences are
> limited to TV therapists Fraizer Crane and Bob Newhart.
>
Ask Jeff Han, I haven't watched the above, so I am less experienced than
you are.
 
> > > > > > > I'm more interested in the really demented and ignorant posts.
> > > > > > > They get the biggest laughs from my liberal friends at the 
> > > > > > > university.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I did not realize you kept your own posts Jeanne.  Admittedly
> > > > > > lzaird, Mike Beebe and Sub-Genius get the biggest laughs.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have a great appreciation of the humor that is shared in these
> > > > > newsgroups. Your list of funny people was far too brief, I believe. 
> > > > > Almost everyone who posts here should be added onto the roster.
> > > > >
> > > > True, the reason I didn't add any more liberals onto the list is quite
> > > > simply, I can't be bothered remembering their names.
> > > 
> > > That's what a few volts to the noggin does to the memory.
> > >
> > If I recall correctly the brain operates at 5 volts.  Moot point.
> 
> Those shock treatments are hell on the memory aren't they, Sparky?
>
You're making the claim, I wouldn't know myself.  I take it you know from
personal experience?  Perhaps that is where you have got the idea that you
are telepathic.

> > > > > One of the greatest differences between the humorous posts of the w-p
> > > > > types and the 'liberals' is that the w-p types are clueless that
they've
> > > > > made ludicrous statements while the liberals' humor is intentional and
> > > > > acknowledged regardless of the source.
> > > > >
> > > > So you have witnessed lzaird's attempts at sarcasm?  
> > > >  
> > > > > > So I suppose you record their posts continually?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't do anything continuously. It gets boring. You know how easily
> > > > > the liberals get bored, don't you Colin?
> > > > > 
> > > > Yes, liberals don't get bored.  Just have a look at the average
liberal TV
> > > > program.  Same last week, same this week, same next week.  Yet liberals
> > > > love it.
> > > 
> > > Then why can't they tolerate you?
> > >
> > Quite simple, I know how to annoy people.  No doubt you consider this
> > plain arrogance, I don't, it simply is.  I know how to get to people.  My
> > current task is prove that I can get a true blue liberal to think.  I
> > believe this to be next to impossible, but that is why I am doing it (by
> > thinking I don't mean racist).  
> 
> Colin the Annoyer (tm), purveyor of absurdities, and proud recipient of
> the UseNet Brainfart Award. Yes, Colin -- you do make people think. They
> think that you're crazy, that you're a liar, that you're projecting your
> own delusions on those "true blue liberals" that you choose to fixate
> upon.
>
Are those shock treatments wrecking havoc on you?
 
> > > > > > I'll ask you the question Jeanne:  Is literacy -- spelling and
grammar
> > > > > the sign of intelligence?
> > > > > 
> > > > > You asked lzaird, "Is literacy, correct spelling and grammar signs of
> > > > > intelligence?" The question posed to me has slightly differently
> > > > > punctuation, so I'm not certain if you are asking me the same thing.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In my culture, literacy is very important, and correct grammar and
> > > > > spelling are required in academic writing. Spoken language is much
> > > > > different -- people come from all over the world and have their own
> > > > > languages, dialects, and jargons (dependent on what is commonplace in
> > > > > their their family, occupation, social network, etc.). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > An intelligent person may never have the opportunity to receive
a formal
> > > > > education. He/she may not have a written language. He/she may have
> > > > > been raised in a household or community which is not literate or
> fluent in
> > > > > the dominate language. He/she may be dyslexic, have cerebral
> palsy, or be
> > > > > the survivor of a cerebral hemorrhage or traumatic brain injury.
He/she
> > > > > may be typing hurridly online without caring if a post is laced
> heavily with
> > > > > misspellings, lousy grammar, and haphazard punctuation (although you,
> > > > > being the proficient writer and master of cut and paste, could
> > > > > thoughtfully compose your offerings to UseNet using a word processing
> > > > > program *with* a spelling and grammar checker). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > You've asked an ambiguously complex question to which I can only
reply,
> > > > > "It depends, Colin." If you expect a simple yes or no, ask
someone like
> > > > > Les or Marcus. They have *all* the answers and, fortunately for the
> > > > > liberals, most of them are quite laughable.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, I realize I have asked a complex (for a liberal) question. 
The reason
> > > > you (and lzaird) refuse to answer it is you both know (assuming
> > > > intelligence) that I will tear either of you to shreads with any answer
> > > > except my own.  To admit that I was right would do hurt your pride too
> > > > much.  Since no answer (except my own) has been offered, I'll keep
asking
> > > > the question.
> > > 
> > > No, you've asked an ambiguous question that can be interpreted in a number
> > > of ways. Whatever you think the answer might be does not matter, because
> > > you cannot even ask the question coherently in writing. 
> > 
> > Tis, always the liberals excuse.   
> 
> How's this for an answer: If literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of
> intelligence, then you are a bonehead; but if literacy, spelling and
> grammar are not signs of intelligence, then you are an uncaring slob. You
> fail either way, Colin! Is this the answer you were expecting?
>
Your connection with your second clause is poor.  Then again this is
probably your first attempt at trying to be logical, so I shouldn't
complain.

However lets push your clauses to the fullest.  If literacy, spelling and
grammar are signs of intelligence then you are a racist.  Why? Because
before the white man arrived into Dark Africa the Negroes didn't have the
aforementioned.  Therefore you are calling Negroes boneheads.   If
literacy, spelling are not the signs of intelligence then all your
arguments that heavily rely on deducing the "lack of intelligence" are
void.  In this case an apology to all those that you have insulted via
this clause should be forthcoming.
 
> > Then again how many liberals are logical? Case in point: lzaird, Sub-Genius,
> > Mike Beebe, Bearcat, Jeff Han, Jeanne, Elena, Pyramid00 and others. 
> > Normally only a little bit of logic is needed to make the connection. 
> 
> This sounds like a few of the people who have questioned your sanity. BTW,
> what is the procedure required to institutionalize someone in New Zealand?
> If you need a character witness, contact me and I'll speak up for you! I
> even have some of your past writings where you speak of all of your
> knowledge and expertise!
>
Are you sane Jeanne?  With both shock treatment and telepathy it's hard to
believe you are.
 
> > > I will admit that you make no sense and are full of crap, and I will never
> > > understand how your squirrely little mind works. 
> > > 
> > No, Mike Beebe is full of crap, he suffers continually from constipation
> > (he hates his colon).  
> 
> OBSESSION #2 OF THE WEEK.
>
So what was OBSESSION #1 Jeanne?  Is your memory failing?  Two is the
successor of one.
 
> > I'm quite glad you will never understand how "my squirrely little mind
works"
> > because you have no hope in ever beating me in an argument.  
> 
> Well, we can agree on that much. Hopefully my thinking will never match
> your level of, you know, wackiness.
>  
I sincerely hope that Jeff Han will tell you the name of his
psychiatrist.  You need help fast.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fake.

P.S Get well soon Jeanne.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Captain John Smith & Pocachontas
Date: 3 Aug 1995 03:51:41 GMT
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I thought I'd drag this subject back seeing as the jewish propaganda
machine over this movie has hit New Zealand.

First some history on Captain John Smith.  His three successive duels
between three Turkish champions made him a hero.  His coat of arms for
this feat featured three Turkish heads.  In a latter battle he was to be
taken prisoner and enslaved by a Turkish master.  Whose head he latter
smashed.  His journey back to England involved defeating pirates.  So
Captain John Smith was an accomplished military man.  He was also known as
a good keen christian (unlikely to believe in wood spirits and so forth).

He arrived in the Americas in 1607.  His meeting with Pocachontas occured
in 1608.  Having been captured by the local indians, he was about to be
executed with a club (head smashed) when Pocachantas ripped off her top in
the act of submission and threw her hands around his head, appealing to
her father for his preservation.  Pocachantas was an obese woman at this
time.  If anything did occur between Captain John Smith and Pocachantas it
would have been remarkably brief as he left the Americas in 1609. 
Pocachantas slimmed down and married an Englishman by the name of John
Rolfe (whom it is claimed she loved).  Soon after her arrival in England
she died either to smallpox or influenza.

Going back to 1607 he arrived in Jamestown which was beleaguered by Indian
thieves (not much has changed).  These Indians were christianized and were
therefore equal with the settlers (or so the liberal types of the time
maintained.)  One blatant Indian that was stealing a valuable item from
the fort was witnessed by the Captain after which he drew his sword and
cut down the offender.  Thieving stopped.
Here are some immortal words on the subject of the "in tune with nature"
noble savage indians by Captain John Smith.  Note that it is in a foreign
language to liberals:

"The Turkies, and other beasts and Fowle, will exceedingly increase if we
beat the Savages out of the Country, for all times of the yeere they never
spare Male nor Female, old nor young, eggs nor birds, fat nor leane, in
season nor out of season with them all is one"*

ie., the "in tune with nature" indians ate everything and spared nothing. 
Leaving no animals to continue breeding.  Which would account for their
nomadic lifestyle.

* Capt. John Smith, The General Historie, Richmond 1819.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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Subject: Re: Why bother?
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> > > > I seem to recall you saying I was going through a drug facility. 
It seems
> > > > my hypothesis was correct.  You based your assumption on your own
> > > > experiences.
> > > 
> > > Nah, I said you were checking into "Loons R Us" for electroshock
> > > treatments and getting your meds adjusted.
> > > 
> > I have never met a person with more grand delusions that Jeanne
> > Kowalewski.  Not only does she have telepathy, but teleportation 
> 
> This is great stuff, Colin! I was looking for more things to pad out my
> resume, and having the abilities for telepathy, teleportation, and
> levitation actually makes someone more employable in Eugene! 
> 
I'm sure you can be even more inventive.  Whatever you are taking it seems
to be working.

> > (Bzzzt, in case you hadn't noticed there is a big ditch between America and
> > New Zealand). 
> 
> Yes, and there's also a big ditch between rational thinking and whatever
> little obsessions are lurking in your mind. (NOTICE THE "BIG DITCH"
> REFERENCE THIS WEEK, FOLKS.)
>
How did you make this connection?  For someone that claims to have
telepathy it seems rather remarkable that you even know what rational
thinking is.
 
> > She also claims she can talk to cats. 
> 
> I do -- and I talk to my dogs, my husband, my neighbors, my kids, my
> friends, my professors and academic peers. Sometimes I talk on the
> telephone, and I have been known to curse at my computer!
>
It's te cats talking back that worries me.  Perhaps Jeff Han's remarkable
psychiatrist could be of some assistance for you?
 
> > Jeanne, do you believe you can levitate?  Ever been to Mars? 
> 
> No, but I do float in water. I've never been to Mars, but one of my
> hubby's favorite movies is _Mars Needs Women_.
>
Didn't you mention above you can levitate?  Which personality are you
now?  Ever had problems with split personalities before?   You really
should talk to Jeff Han's psychiatrist.
 
> > Have you ever had a conversation with your plants and they talk back? 
> 
> I just decide which houseplants to buy and which plants to put in our
> yard. My hubby takes care of them, but our cats get into them frequently.
> Does that count?
> 
> > I am assuming a yes to all of these. 
> 
> Well, you've just demonstrated that a reality-impaired miscreant such as
> yourself shouldn't make assumptions.
> 
Jeanne, in case you hadn't noticed in the world of reality people don't
have telepathy, however you claim that you do...

> > Jeff Han apparently has a good pyschiatrist.  Perhaps you can
> > visit this pyschiatrist (I'd imagine he is very good, considering one of
> > his patients is Jeff Han).
> 
> Tell us how to find a good shrink, Colin. I'm afraid my experiences are
> limited to TV therapists Fraizer Crane and Bob Newhart.
>
Ask Jeff Han, I haven't watched the above, so I am less experienced than
you are.
 
> > > > > > > I'm more interested in the really demented and ignorant posts.
> > > > > > > They get the biggest laughs from my liberal friends at the 
> > > > > > > university.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I did not realize you kept your own posts Jeanne.  Admittedly
> > > > > > lzaird, Mike Beebe and Sub-Genius get the biggest laughs.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have a great appreciation of the humor that is shared in these
> > > > > newsgroups. Your list of funny people was far too brief, I believe. 
> > > > > Almost everyone who posts here should be added onto the roster.
> > > > >
> > > > True, the reason I didn't add any more liberals onto the list is quite
> > > > simply, I can't be bothered remembering their names.
> > > 
> > > That's what a few volts to the noggin does to the memory.
> > >
> > If I recall correctly the brain operates at 5 volts.  Moot point.
> 
> Those shock treatments are hell on the memory aren't they, Sparky?
>
You're making the claim, I wouldn't know myself.  I take it you know from
personal experience?  Perhaps that is where you have got the idea that you
are telepathic.

> > > > > One of the greatest differences between the humorous posts of the w-p
> > > > > types and the 'liberals' is that the w-p types are clueless that
they've
> > > > > made ludicrous statements while the liberals' humor is intentional and
> > > > > acknowledged regardless of the source.
> > > > >
> > > > So you have witnessed lzaird's attempts at sarcasm?  
> > > >  
> > > > > > So I suppose you record their posts continually?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't do anything continuously. It gets boring. You know how easily
> > > > > the liberals get bored, don't you Colin?
> > > > > 
> > > > Yes, liberals don't get bored.  Just have a look at the average
liberal TV
> > > > program.  Same last week, same this week, same next week.  Yet liberals
> > > > love it.
> > > 
> > > Then why can't they tolerate you?
> > >
> > Quite simple, I know how to annoy people.  No doubt you consider this
> > plain arrogance, I don't, it simply is.  I know how to get to people.  My
> > current task is prove that I can get a true blue liberal to think.  I
> > believe this to be next to impossible, but that is why I am doing it (by
> > thinking I don't mean racist).  
> 
> Colin the Annoyer (tm), purveyor of absurdities, and proud recipient of
> the UseNet Brainfart Award. Yes, Colin -- you do make people think. They
> think that you're crazy, that you're a liar, that you're projecting your
> own delusions on those "true blue liberals" that you choose to fixate
> upon.
>
Are those shock treatments wrecking havoc on you?
 
> > > > > > I'll ask you the question Jeanne:  Is literacy -- spelling and
grammar
> > > > > the sign of intelligence?
> > > > > 
> > > > > You asked lzaird, "Is literacy, correct spelling and grammar signs of
> > > > > intelligence?" The question posed to me has slightly differently
> > > > > punctuation, so I'm not certain if you are asking me the same thing.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In my culture, literacy is very important, and correct grammar and
> > > > > spelling are required in academic writing. Spoken language is much
> > > > > different -- people come from all over the world and have their own
> > > > > languages, dialects, and jargons (dependent on what is commonplace in
> > > > > their their family, occupation, social network, etc.). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > An intelligent person may never have the opportunity to receive
a formal
> > > > > education. He/she may not have a written language. He/she may have
> > > > > been raised in a household or community which is not literate or
> fluent in
> > > > > the dominate language. He/she may be dyslexic, have cerebral
> palsy, or be
> > > > > the survivor of a cerebral hemorrhage or traumatic brain injury.
He/she
> > > > > may be typing hurridly online without caring if a post is laced
> heavily with
> > > > > misspellings, lousy grammar, and haphazard punctuation (although you,
> > > > > being the proficient writer and master of cut and paste, could
> > > > > thoughtfully compose your offerings to UseNet using a word processing
> > > > > program *with* a spelling and grammar checker). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > You've asked an ambiguously complex question to which I can only
reply,
> > > > > "It depends, Colin." If you expect a simple yes or no, ask
someone like
> > > > > Les or Marcus. They have *all* the answers and, fortunately for the
> > > > > liberals, most of them are quite laughable.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, I realize I have asked a complex (for a liberal) question. 
The reason
> > > > you (and lzaird) refuse to answer it is you both know (assuming
> > > > intelligence) that I will tear either of you to shreads with any answer
> > > > except my own.  To admit that I was right would do hurt your pride too
> > > > much.  Since no answer (except my own) has been offered, I'll keep
asking
> > > > the question.
> > > 
> > > No, you've asked an ambiguous question that can be interpreted in a number
> > > of ways. Whatever you think the answer might be does not matter, because
> > > you cannot even ask the question coherently in writing. 
> > 
> > Tis, always the liberals excuse.   
> 
> How's this for an answer: If literacy, spelling and grammar are signs of
> intelligence, then you are a bonehead; but if literacy, spelling and
> grammar are not signs of intelligence, then you are an uncaring slob. You
> fail either way, Colin! Is this the answer you were expecting?
>
Your connection with your second clause is poor.  Then again this is
probably your first attempt at trying to be logical, so I shouldn't
complain.

However lets push your clauses to the fullest.  If literacy, spelling and
grammar are signs of intelligence then you are a racist.  Why? Because
before the white man arrived into Dark Africa the Negroes didn't have the
aforementioned.  Therefore you are calling Negroes boneheads.   If
literacy, spelling are not the signs of intelligence then all your
arguments that heavily rely on deducing the "lack of intelligence" are
void.  In this case an apology to all those that you have insulted via
this clause should be forthcoming.
 
> > Then again how many liberals are logical? Case in point: lzaird, Sub-Genius,
> > Mike Beebe, Bearcat, Jeff Han, Jeanne, Elena, Pyramid00 and others. 
> > Normally only a little bit of logic is needed to make the connection. 
> 
> This sounds like a few of the people who have questioned your sanity. BTW,
> what is the procedure required to institutionalize someone in New Zealand?
> If you need a character witness, contact me and I'll speak up for you! I
> even have some of your past writings where you speak of all of your
> knowledge and expertise!
>
Are you sane Jeanne?  With both shock treatment and telepathy it's hard to
believe you are.
 
> > > I will admit that you make no sense and are full of crap, and I will never
> > > understand how your squirrely little mind works. 
> > > 
> > No, Mike Beebe is full of crap, he suffers continually from constipation
> > (he hates his colon).  
> 
> OBSESSION #2 OF THE WEEK.
>
So what was OBSESSION #1 Jeanne?  Is your memory failing?  Two is the
successor of one.
 
> > I'm quite glad you will never understand how "my squirrely little mind
works"
> > because you have no hope in ever beating me in an argument.  
> 
> Well, we can agree on that much. Hopefully my thinking will never match
> your level of, you know, wackiness.
>  
I sincerely hope that Jeff Han will tell you the name of his
psychiatrist.  You need help fast.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fake.

P.S Get well soon Jeanne.


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Subject: Re: Jenn's chop-sockey boyfriend! (was: Black is Beautiful?)
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> >> >> It would seem Sylvie that you got confused between Jenn and her
> >> >> boyfriend.  Her boyfriend is the paraplegic.  He couldn't even hit a man
> >> >> if you paid him to--not even one he disagreed with.
> >> > 
> >> > I wouldn't speak too quickly if I were you.  My boyfriend's a
> >> > skinhead, and a martial-arts trained one at that.  He's also on the
> >> > 'Net, probably reading this, and....ooh, you better turn around
> >> > McKinstry--I think that first shot's aimed at your head...
> >> 
> >Oh I'm so scared, please don't hurt me.  I can this without being
> >boastful:  If you boyfriend foolishly attacked me I would at the very
> >least make sure he couldn't walk again.  If he escaped with his life he'd
> >be lucky.  The law still allows me the right to defend myself...
> 
>   You're starting to sound like Birdi, Colon, with those agressive brainfarts.
> Of course, you live can do that, living on the other side of the world as you
> do- no one would visit Kiwiland if they could help it...
> 
Good, one less loser to visit New Zealand.  Thanks for letting me know
your stance.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.

P.S  How's the psychiatric treatment going?


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>         He has accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who
>         has the brain power of a retarded snail would write such a
>         thing, either that or someone experienced in such sexual
>         practises...
> 
> On the other hand, Mr. McKinstry has accused Jews of molesting "three-
> year-old girls" or "nine-year-old boys!"  By Mr. McKinstry's own logic:
> 
>         Only someone who has the brain power of a retarded snail would
>         write such a thing, either that or someone experienced in such
>         sexual practises...
> 
> So, Mr. McKinstry either "has the brain power of a retarded snail," or
> else he is a practicing pederast!
> 
Flawed logic, the Talmud Sanhedrin 55a-55b allows Jews to molest
three-year-old girls and nine-year-old boys.  There was no need to imagine
it, since it is clearly written down in the Talmud.  However Richard
Schultz used his imagination and since there is a law against it, it
reflects his intellectual level.  However he has since stated that was not
his meaning. 

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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>   Your brain is like a mass of saltwater taffy that anyone can stretch or pull
> at will, Colon.  It probably has to be that way, though, if you are going to
> be susceptible to the verbal ejaculations of morons like Less and Pidgin. 

Too bad I thrashed you some time ago in an argument.  Sort of goes against
your reasoning, but then you were never very good at derogatry remarks.
 
> Your responses are becoming tiresome- if I wanted an echo, I'd buy a
parrot,    Colon.  If you are going to flame, at least be original, OK?
>
Obviously the old methods still bite...
 
>   BTW, I said to ease up on the Valium, Colon, not to go cold turkey off it.
> The symptoms of that were evident in that last echo of yours- you were ranting
> (again)...
> 
Seeing as I have no experience with Valium and therefore have no knowledge
of it's effects, we must expect that you have gone through this
procedure.  Is this what your psychiatrist prescribed?

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.

P.S Get well soon.


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> : White supremcists, white nationalists and so forth have regularly stated
> : that the ancients of these nations were Aryan/white.  
> 
> I think I know where this is going...
> 
> : Some liberals
> : contest this with some sort of proof (?).  
> 
> Who are these "liberals"?
> 
> : I would suggest to these
> : liberals that they take a trip to a good museum and have a look at these
> : nations exhibits.
> 
> OK.
> 
> : Having just been around Auckland's War Museum (26/07/1995).  I will now
> : share the results.  First the Egyptian exhibit.  On centre stage we have a
> : female mummy.  On the lid we have a sculpture of her face.  Thin lips,
> : high cheek bones, long head, and more importantly pure white paint.  
>                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> You lie.
Perhaps I should get a camera and a colour scanner.
> 
> : Then
> : there is a hieroglyph of a red skinned man before one of the animal headed
> : egyptian gods (also red skinned).  Then there are the statures of either
> : red skinned people or white skinned people.  
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> You lie, again.                     
I really need that camera.
> 
> : Not one black (or brown)
>                  ^^^^^^^^
> The red skin of the Egyptians is just a shade of brown. Therefore, you 
> are lying once more.  
Not the statures at the Auckland War Museum.  Either red or white.
> 
> : stature among them and of course the flat nose and inflated lips are
> : nonexistent as well.
> 
> Although the Egyptians were not black, there are many black African 
> populations who do not have "the flat nose and inflated lips" you speak of. 
> Most of these populations live in East Africa and are sometimes refered 
> to as "Elongated Negroids" (Hiernaux was the first to use this term). You 
> should not generalize.
> 
> : Next is the greek exhibit.  We have non painted statures of the greek men
> : and women (we could say Aryan but since liberals can't tell negro features
> : from Aryan features I'll move on).  However the Museum possesses two
> : paintings of greek men.  Which of course have pink skin and light brown
> : hair (sandy).  
> 
> The Greeks, although having olive skin, are European and therefore are 
> considered to be a white people. 

Current day Greeks are a mongrel people.
> 
> : Lastly the Indian exhibit.  There are several time periods.  One of which
> : covers the Aryans.  Again we have painted statures (and even a tapestry
> : from SE Asia of the Indian Aryans -- from trade links).  Which of course
> : show the Aryan skin and face (white, pink or red).
> 
> Before the Black Sea hordes (who were called "Arya" which means "noble" in 
> Sanskrit) invaded India, it was populated by the Dravidians, a people 
> that have affinities with the Australoid race. The inevitable mixing of 
> these two peoples give us the present-day East Indians. They are 
> definitly not considered "white". Your claim is delusional.
> 
I never disputed your argument above.  However there are enough losers
around that believe the Arya were negroid.

> : Somehow I doubt this will convince the liberals, 
> 
> Again I ask, who are these "liberals"?
>
People like yourself.
 
> : so I suggest you do your
> : own tour of a Museum.  
> 
> I think maybe YOU should visit the museum again. But this time don't take 
> any hallucinogens before you go.
> 
Actually I've been to the museum quite a bit.  A few of my ancestors died
in both WWI and WWII.  I don't take drugs, though we can assume you take
something quite heavy.

> : Though even after this I can expect lzaird to
> : continue to believe in Negro (sorry, Sub Saharan) high civilization of
> : Egypt.  
> 
> Lzaird is a misguided soul, but you take the cake.
> 
> : Which indicates the level of intelligence lzaird has attained.  
> 
> Speak for yourself.
>
And you're the marking stick?
 
> : Of
> : course if a Museum is too much effort, a poor substitute is a good book on
> : the relevant time periods.  It's a lot harder to dispute an actual exhibit
> : (though I'm sure lzaird will try).
> 
> I see you do not like books very much. I think maybe you should open one 
> since, from this post, I see you have no knowledge of this subject.
> 
I have studied the Egyptian equation quite thoroughly,  I thought that if
I talked about real artifacts that there be some effort from various
quarters to actually go see real artifacts.  I somehow doubt you have
bothered to actually look.  Rather you would like to believe some
charismatic figure.  By the way, I have a deep respect for books.  However
a lot of newly published books like to propagate modern propaganda, and
they are trying to find something the dark races can find pride in.  
> 
> The Egyptians were not a "white" people as we define it. Further, the 
> "white" and "black" races depicted in the tombs and bas-reliefs were 
> always seen as vassals or slaves. Try to disprove me.
> 
Why don't you look at their religion?  It was part of their belief in the
afterlife that made their statues and portraits so articulate.  That way I
don't have to disprove you, you will know yourself.  By your defensive
reply I couldn't in a thousand years try to convince you personally
otherwise.

Colin.


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> But, given that New Zealand is a quarter-world closer to Iran than we are
> here on the West Coast of North America, there are probably some sheep
> there that are descended from Persian sheep, and could properly be called
> Aryan.  
> 
> I never did find out what McKinstry's educational qualifications are.  He
> responded that "ac" denotes academe, as if I didn't know that.  

You haven't impressed so far that you can deduce anything.  So it was
quite logical to put .ac. in my response.  I have only a lowly B.Sc.

> But I
> still don't know his credentials.  He could be a night watchman for all I
> know, or maybe he's an Aryan sheep whose species isn't allowed to attend
> degree-granting institutions in the Land of the Unremarkable.  Or maybe
> they ARE allowed.  That would be remarkable!
> 
While I don't support New Zealand overly much, you are still ignorant.
Change from Land of the Unexceptional to the Land of the Unremarkable
doesn't disprove your blatant and wilful ignorance.

Colin.


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> >> >Michael Stein is trying to drag you into the mire with him.  He has
> >> >accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who has the brain power
> >> >of a retarded snail would write such a thing, either that or someone
> >> >experienced in such sexual practises.  So I assume that Michael Stein is
> >> >bearing false witness against you.  Guess Jews really don't like each
> >> >other?
> >> 
> >> >If my assumption is wrong, you're one lousy backstabber.  I didn't realize
> >> >Jews were into sheep as well as three year old girls and nine year old
> >> >boys.
> >> 
> >>   You are one to be talking about being `into sheep', Colon- you live
in New 
> >> Zealand, the Land (island) of Sheep.  You forgot your dose of Thorazine 
> >> again...                                                      ^^^^^^^^^
> >> 
> >Being hanging around Jeanne again?  Jeanne is the one that takes
> >thorazine.  How's your psychiatric councelling going?  Getting better?
> 
>   Is this a standard response with you WS types, Colon?  
> 
>   W.S.: Blah, blah 
> 
>   Me (or some other `crackpot liberal'): Wrong .
> 
>   W.S.: Yeah, well, YOU TOO!!!
> 
>   Better try harder.  Maybe it would help if you eased up on the Valium; that 
> stuff is meant to help you, Colon, not to impede your thought (what
there is of it...)...

All this from someone that that *usually* can't say anything more than
idiot, idiot, fucking idiot.  Did my comments get to you did they?  Your
arguments are as weak as before without the idiot clause being repeated
like a scratched record.  I sincerely hope that psychiatrist of yours can
wield miracles. 

Colin.


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> : White supremcists, white nationalists and so forth have regularly stated
> : that the ancients of these nations were Aryan/white.  
> 
> I think I know where this is going...
> 
> : Some liberals
> : contest this with some sort of proof (?).  
> 
> Who are these "liberals"?
> 
> : I would suggest to these
> : liberals that they take a trip to a good museum and have a look at these
> : nations exhibits.
> 
> OK.
> 
> : Having just been around Auckland's War Museum (26/07/1995).  I will now
> : share the results.  First the Egyptian exhibit.  On centre stage we have a
> : female mummy.  On the lid we have a sculpture of her face.  Thin lips,
> : high cheek bones, long head, and more importantly pure white paint.  
>                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> You lie.
Perhaps I should get a camera and a colour scanner.
> 
> : Then
> : there is a hieroglyph of a red skinned man before one of the animal headed
> : egyptian gods (also red skinned).  Then there are the statures of either
> : red skinned people or white skinned people.  
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> You lie, again.                     
I really need that camera.
> 
> : Not one black (or brown)
>                  ^^^^^^^^
> The red skin of the Egyptians is just a shade of brown. Therefore, you 
> are lying once more.  
Not the statures at the Auckland War Museum.  Either red or white.
> 
> : stature among them and of course the flat nose and inflated lips are
> : nonexistent as well.
> 
> Although the Egyptians were not black, there are many black African 
> populations who do not have "the flat nose and inflated lips" you speak of. 
> Most of these populations live in East Africa and are sometimes refered 
> to as "Elongated Negroids" (Hiernaux was the first to use this term). You 
> should not generalize.
> 
> : Next is the greek exhibit.  We have non painted statures of the greek men
> : and women (we could say Aryan but since liberals can't tell negro features
> : from Aryan features I'll move on).  However the Museum possesses two
> : paintings of greek men.  Which of course have pink skin and light brown
> : hair (sandy).  
> 
> The Greeks, although having olive skin, are European and therefore are 
> considered to be a white people. 

Current day Greeks are a mongrel people.
> 
> : Lastly the Indian exhibit.  There are several time periods.  One of which
> : covers the Aryans.  Again we have painted statures (and even a tapestry
> : from SE Asia of the Indian Aryans -- from trade links).  Which of course
> : show the Aryan skin and face (white, pink or red).
> 
> Before the Black Sea hordes (who were called "Arya" which means "noble" in 
> Sanskrit) invaded India, it was populated by the Dravidians, a people 
> that have affinities with the Australoid race. The inevitable mixing of 
> these two peoples give us the present-day East Indians. They are 
> definitly not considered "white". Your claim is delusional.
> 
I never disputed your argument above.  However there are enough losers
around that believe the Arya were negroid.

> : Somehow I doubt this will convince the liberals, 
> 
> Again I ask, who are these "liberals"?
>
People like yourself.
 
> : so I suggest you do your
> : own tour of a Museum.  
> 
> I think maybe YOU should visit the museum again. But this time don't take 
> any hallucinogens before you go.
> 
Actually I've been to the museum quite a bit.  A few of my ancestors died
in both WWI and WWII.  I don't take drugs, though we can assume you take
something quite heavy.

> : Though even after this I can expect lzaird to
> : continue to believe in Negro (sorry, Sub Saharan) high civilization of
> : Egypt.  
> 
> Lzaird is a misguided soul, but you take the cake.
> 
> : Which indicates the level of intelligence lzaird has attained.  
> 
> Speak for yourself.
>
And you're the marking stick?
 
> : Of
> : course if a Museum is too much effort, a poor substitute is a good book on
> : the relevant time periods.  It's a lot harder to dispute an actual exhibit
> : (though I'm sure lzaird will try).
> 
> I see you do not like books very much. I think maybe you should open one 
> since, from this post, I see you have no knowledge of this subject.
> 
I have studied the Egyptian equation quite thoroughly,  I thought that if
I talked about real artifacts that there be some effort from various
quarters to actually go see real artifacts.  I somehow doubt you have
bothered to actually look.  Rather you would like to believe some
charismatic figure.  By the way, I have a deep respect for books.  However
a lot of newly published books like to propagate modern propaganda, and
they are trying to find something the dark races can find pride in.  
> 
> The Egyptians were not a "white" people as we define it. Further, the 
> "white" and "black" races depicted in the tombs and bas-reliefs were 
> always seen as vassals or slaves. Try to disprove me.
> 
Why don't you look at their religion?  It was part of their belief in the
afterlife that made their statues and portraits so articulate.  That way I
don't have to disprove you, you will know yourself.  By your defensive
reply I couldn't in a thousand years try to convince you personally
otherwise.

Colin.


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> But, given that New Zealand is a quarter-world closer to Iran than we are
> here on the West Coast of North America, there are probably some sheep
> there that are descended from Persian sheep, and could properly be called
> Aryan.  
> 
> I never did find out what McKinstry's educational qualifications are.  He
> responded that "ac" denotes academe, as if I didn't know that.  

You haven't impressed so far that you can deduce anything.  So it was
quite logical to put .ac. in my response.  I have only a lowly B.Sc.

> But I
> still don't know his credentials.  He could be a night watchman for all I
> know, or maybe he's an Aryan sheep whose species isn't allowed to attend
> degree-granting institutions in the Land of the Unremarkable.  Or maybe
> they ARE allowed.  That would be remarkable!
> 
While I don't support New Zealand overly much, you are still ignorant.
Change from Land of the Unexceptional to the Land of the Unremarkable
doesn't disprove your blatant and wilful ignorance.

Colin.


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> >> >Michael Stein is trying to drag you into the mire with him.  He has
> >> >accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who has the brain power
> >> >of a retarded snail would write such a thing, either that or someone
> >> >experienced in such sexual practises.  So I assume that Michael Stein is
> >> >bearing false witness against you.  Guess Jews really don't like each
> >> >other?
> >> 
> >> >If my assumption is wrong, you're one lousy backstabber.  I didn't realize
> >> >Jews were into sheep as well as three year old girls and nine year old
> >> >boys.
> >> 
> >>   You are one to be talking about being `into sheep', Colon- you live
in New 
> >> Zealand, the Land (island) of Sheep.  You forgot your dose of Thorazine 
> >> again...                                                      ^^^^^^^^^
> >> 
> >Being hanging around Jeanne again?  Jeanne is the one that takes
> >thorazine.  How's your psychiatric councelling going?  Getting better?
> 
>   Is this a standard response with you WS types, Colon?  
> 
>   W.S.: Blah, blah 
> 
>   Me (or some other `crackpot liberal'): Wrong .
> 
>   W.S.: Yeah, well, YOU TOO!!!
> 
>   Better try harder.  Maybe it would help if you eased up on the Valium; that 
> stuff is meant to help you, Colon, not to impede your thought (what
there is of it...)...

All this from someone that that *usually* can't say anything more than
idiot, idiot, fucking idiot.  Did my comments get to you did they?  Your
arguments are as weak as before without the idiot clause being repeated
like a scratched record.  I sincerely hope that psychiatrist of yours can
wield miracles. 

Colin.


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> >> > Then again, Michael Stein is a Jew.  Which I suppose lets him off
the hook
> >> > for being brave and facing his loss like a man.
> >> 
> >> Uh-huh. And which race are you, that lets you off the hook for being brave
> >> and citing evidence to support your assertions?
> >> 
> >Perhaps you would like to look at Scientific theories before shooting your
> >mouth off.   The ones you no doubt propagate without thinking about.
> 
> Answer the question. What race are you, that allows you to duck and
> run when challenged, never citing evidence to back up your assertions?
> 
I'm afraid I won't fulfill your fetish of me being the teacher and you
being the student.

Colin.


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> >>   Your brain is like a mass of saltwater taffy that anyone can
stretch or pull
> >> at will, Colon.  It probably has to be that way, though, if you are
going to
> >> be susceptible to the verbal ejaculations of morons like Less and Pidgin. 
> 
> >Too bad I thrashed you some time ago in an argument.  Sort of goes against
> >your reasoning, but then you were never very good at derogatry remarks.
> >
>   Do I have to be in order to pull your chain? (hint: NO.)
> 
Unfamiliar with your idiomatic reply.  Either that or it is complete garbage.
 
> >> Your responses are becoming tiresome- if I wanted an echo, I'd buy a
> >parrot,    Colon.  If you are going to flame, at least be original, OK?
> >>
> >Obviously the old methods still bite...
> 
>   I was recommending certain medications for you, Colon, and not that
you start
> sniffing glue.  

Unless you show me proof that these medications that you are taking are
not doing you harm, I won't be taking them.  I expect clinical tests that
date back at least ten years.  Judging from your letters I suspect that
these drugs you are taking are detrimental to one's mental health. 
Therefore your recommendations are somewhat dubious.  I only hope that
psychiatrist of yours isn't forcing you to take these drugs.

> I am impressed, though- I never imagined it possible for a man
> to perform fellatio upon himself...
> 
I've heard the certain drugs expand your imagination.  Do you take these
as well?
> > 
> >>   BTW, I said to ease up on the Valium, Colon, not to go cold turkey
off it.
> >> The symptoms of that were evident in that last echo of yours- you
were ranting
> >> (again)...
> >> 
> >Seeing as I have no experience with Valium and therefore have no knowledge
> >of it's effects, we must expect that you have gone through this
> >procedure.  Is this what your psychiatrist prescribed?
> 
>    You are almost TOO pathetic, Colon.  Almost.
> 
Ironical isn't it?  For someone that cannot win even a simple argument, he
calls someone that can win an argument, pathetic.  Perhaps your
psychiatrist could help you here.

> >Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.
> 
>   Remember what I told you about fellatio, Colon.  At least you could refrain
> from using the computer for it...
> 
So now you are saying that you can perform fellatio upon yourself.  I mean
that is what you told me about it isn't it?  Heck, no wonder your
imagination could handle it, you've already have done it.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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> >However Richard Schultz used his imagination and since there is a law 
> >against it, it reflects his intellectual level.  
> 
> There's a law against me using my imagination?  Uh oh.
> 
Amusing.  Makes a change.

> >However he has since stated that was not his meaning. 
> 
> You should learn to read, son.  
                            ^^^

My mother never told me about you.

> All that I ever said was that my suggestion
> that they let you into University to keep the sheep safe *might* not have
> had a sexual meaning.  Then again, it might have.
>
I seem to recall that when you wrote it you had thought of me stealing
fleece and/or meat rather than a sexual meaning.
 
> >Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.
> 
> The question is:  who is dumber, Les Griswold, or someone who wishes he
> were Les Griswold?

It's quite amazing to think that there could be two racists isn't it?  I
was trying to help the average liberal get his mind around this concept,
seeing as he cannot understand reality.  Take Jeanne for instance, she has
incredible trouble differentiating between Les and Sylvie.  Most liberals
think (?) they are intelligent, my justification is seeing whether they
could comprehend two things at once (perhaps I should restrict myself to
seeing whether a liberal can comprehend one thing.)  In this case, the
possibility of two racists.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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Subject: Re: ARyans in Egypt and Greece? (LOL!!) (was RE: Egypt, Greece and India)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 1995 18:14:22 +1200
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> >> >White supremcists, white nationalists and so forth have regularly stated  
> >> >that the ancients of these nations were Aryan/white.  Some liberals  
> >> >contest this with some sort of proof (?).  I would suggest to these  
> >> >liberals that they take a trip to a good museum and have a look at these  
> >> >nations exhibits.  
>   
> >>  Then why did the greeks write about the "Aryans"?  Why did Caesar who  
> >>  was partial Greek (A roman was greek mixed in with various Italic  
> >>  tribes) write about the northern tribes (barbarians): he even identified  
> >>  them (paraphrased): "east of the rhine, they are tall in stature, light  
> >>  complexion and various hair colors, right of the rhine they are tall,  
> >>  light complexion Blonde and more barbaric than the people to the west;   
> >>  other than these features, they are almost identical as a people."  
>   
> >>  Caesar was talking about the ancient "Celts" and the various "Germanic"  
> >>  tribes.  The Celts occupied Northern Italy, France and Iberia (Spain)  
> >>  The Germanics were east of the Rhine River; the Slavs were to the east  
> >>  of the Germanics.  
>   
> >>  Now, this is clear evidence that the ARyans were not the Greeks, because  
> >>  in order for them to be Greek, they would have had to also have been  
> >>  Roman.   
>   
> >>  Various ARyan tribes, when hungry, used to attack towns in Greece.  
>     
> >>  You can't get around that.  Greek history gives us information about  
> >>  the ARyans.  Who wrote it?  Another group of ARyans, who described  
> >>  the Aryans as being "different"?????  
>   
> >Greeks were sandy haired.  Romans also described the Germans as different 
> >yet the early Romans were the same.  Some Roman Catholic monks did similar 
> >to the Vikings (during their raiding periods). 
> 
>  You mean the early Italic tribes.  They were Germanic, or Celtic, 
>  or probably both.  The earliest Romans were probably full Greek.  While 
>  generations later, they may have assimilated within the majority 
>  of various European tribes living in Italy and France. 
> 
> >> >Having just been around Auckland's War Museum (26/07/1995).  I will now  
> >> >share the results.  First the Egyptian exhibit.  On centre stage we
have a  
> >> >female mummy.  On the lid we have a sculpture of her face.  Thin lips,  
> >> >high cheek bones, long head, and more importantly pure white paint.    
>   
> >>  I'd be real careful about that.  There were reasons why the egyptians  
> >>  laid things out the way they did.  There were reasons for almost every  
> >>  thing.  From color to design etc.  * <-- note
> 
> >So this is an excuse for ignoring historical evidence?   
> 
>  NO, I only said "i'd be careful".  You can't go making a conclusion 
>  about a poeple based on a couple of artifacts.  I've seen Egyptian 
>  drawings also and the people were brown. 
> 
Depends on which time period you are talking about.  Egyptians today are
brown, and have been for a reasonable "chunk" of history.  The "race" that
built the pyramids and so forth weren't brown (or black.)

> >Why would the most 
> >powerful (at the time) nation want to have their progeny believe they were 
> >white when they were Negroes?  Also you should find out the Egyptian's 
> >belief in the afterlife, it should disprove very succinctly your statement 
> >above. 
> 
>  I don't follow your last point. 
> 
If you knew Egyptian mythology and the importance of having accurate
portrails of oneself for the afterlife then you would not have bothered
stating *.

>  The face of the Sphinx; do you believe it has Aryan features?   
>   
>  I don't believe so, It looks Egyptian. 
>
It's hard to say with the erosion and nose missing.  However it is clearly
not negroid.
   
> >>  And since when do Aryans have the market cornered with "high cheek  
> >>  bones and thin lips"?  
>   
> >lzaird believes the ancient egyptians were negro. 
> 
>  I don't believe they were south of the Sahara types; I believe they 
>  were of a lighter skin. 
> 
> >>  Egyptian people are not "Black"; they're more mediteranian.  They can  
> >>  have European features.  
>   
> >> >Then  
> >> >there is a hieroglyph of a red skinned man before one of the animal
headed  
> >> >egyptian gods (also red skinned).  Then there are the statures of either  
> >> >red skinned people or white skinned people.  Not one black (or brown)  
> >> >stature among them and of course the flat nose and inflated lips are  
> >> >nonexistent as well.  
>   
> >>  I work with an Egyptian.  She does not have "inflated lips and a flat  
> >>  nose'.  
>   
> >The current Egyptians are mongrels (ie., mixed breed). 
> 
>  And probably so were the ancients. 
>
Then why portray white or pink/red skin sculptures, portraits, statues,
hieroglyphics and so forth?
 
> >> >Next is the greek exhibit.  We have non painted statures of the
greek men  
> >> >and women (we could say Aryan but since liberals can't tell negro
features  
> >> >from Aryan features I'll move on).  However the Museum possesses two  
> >> >paintings of greek men.  Which of course have pink skin and light brown  
> >> >hair (sandy).    
>   
> >>  Greeks are European.  They are not Germanic, but they are white.  
>   
> >> >Lastly the Indian exhibit.  There are several time periods.  One of
which  
> >> >covers the Aryans.  Again we have painted statures (and even a tapestry  
> >> >from SE Asia of the Indian Aryans -- from trade links).  Which of course  
> >> >show the Aryan skin and face (white, pink or red).  
>   
> >>  So because of one artist choice in color, you believe that ARyans  
> >>  were in India?  
> 
> >Do you have a better meaning?  It seems very good evidence for proof that 
> >they were fair and not dark.  Why would they want the world to now that 
> >such a powerful nation was white when they were dark? 
> 
>  Before I make any conclusions, I'd have to actually look at what 
>  you are talking about. 
>   
> >>  Maybe the color had other meaning?  Have you thought of that?  Maybe  
> >>  the artist wasn't a racist.  
> 
> >Maybe the artists were painting the everyday person. 
> 
>  Or maybe the artist was painting the various races that migrate through. 
>  Or the various races he has seen or knows about. 
>  We all know that the European people (Germanics Celts, Picts, etc.) were 
>  Nomadic. 
>   
We do?  The best "European" people that were nomadic were the Scythians. 
Most of the aryan type people were settlers.  On what basis do you make
the Picts nomadic?  All there is on them is theories.

> >> >Somehow I doubt this will convince the liberals, so I suggest you do
your  
> >> >own tour of a Museum.    
>   
> >>  It wouldn't even convince a Libertarian like myself.  
>   
> >> >Though even after this I can expect lzaird to  
> >> >continue to believe in Negro (sorry, Sub Saharan) high civilization of  
> >> >Egypt.    
>   
> >>  I would not classify Egyptians as "Negro".  I think the closest  
> >>  articulation would be "mediteranian".  
> 
> >lzaird's beliefs again. 
> 
>  WEll, race is a vague and broad term.  It's too general. 

Species then?
>   
> >> >Which indicates the level of intelligence lzaird has attained.    
>   
> >>  Of course, you couldn't show the readership how this indicates  
> >>  any level of intellect, could you?  
> 
> >No, but your reply indicates your own.  You're a parrot that has never 
> >bothered to examine evidence.  You only believe some charismatic figure 
> >that tells you differently to what is actually there. 
> 
>  The evidence?  Aryans were not greeks.  There may have been aryan 
>  blood mixed in with the Greeks, as there probably is today, but 
>  in no way are the aryan tribes of Europe also the ancient Greeks. 
> 
They were an aryan people.  Whether you classify them as coming from the
aryan tribes is irrelevant.  By aryan I mean fair.

>  We know this because of Greek writings. 
> 
> >> >Of  
> >> >course if a Museum is too much effort, a poor substitute is a good
book on  
> >> >the relevant time periods.  It's a lot harder to dispute an actual
exhibit  
> >> >(though I'm sure lzaird will try).  
>   
> >>  Alls I can say is "dream on".  
> 
> >Dreamers tend to be highly successful.  The tend to have goals whereas 
> >parrots don't. 
> 
>  It all depends much on what you dream. 
>   
> >>  Our European ancestors (Gaul, Germania, Iberia, Brittania, Italia),  
> >>  were tribal, barbaric, and nomadic.  
>   
> >>  About half were "Germanic" and the others were "Celtic".  And the  
> >>  differences between these two groups is getting cloudier and cloudier  
> >>  as scientists try to reconstruct their cultures.  Of course there were  
> >>  other groups in Europe: "Etruscans of Northern Italy", the "Picts" of  
> >>  Great Britain; these tribes were absorbed by either the Celts or the  
> >>  various Germanic tribes.  
>   
> >>  Nobody knows anything about these ancient Europeans unless we refer to   
> >>  "Greek and Roman" literature.  If it wasn't for Greek and Rome, we   
> >>  wouldn't have known anything about the Celts, Saxons, Goths,
Etruscans or   
> >>  the Gauls.  **  <-- Note
>   
> >Too bad they didn't leave any evidence, or skeletons or anything of that 
> >nature to back up the Greek and Roman authors. 
> 
>  They did.  There are ancient Celtic artifacts found from Spain to Northern 
>  Turkey. 
>
It's called being sarcastic.  Thanks for playing.  You have now undermined
your statement at **, but that was my intention.  
 
>  There's also evidence to suggest that Europeans have been in europe 
>  "all along".  Cro-Magnon man and Neanderthals lived side by side in 
>  Europe (thought to be two species that could not breed together; altho' 
>  some scientists believe that crom-maggnon breeding with neandarthal 
>  gives us the European race, due to the fact that Neanderthals had 
>  very distinct facial features not unlike modern day Europeans). 
> 
>  The jury isn't out yet on whether cro-magnons in europe either 
>  killed off the neanderthals or whether the two produced a hybrid 
>  offspring of the two species (I'm not sure if "species" is the 
>  proper term; but cro-magnons were quite different than neaderthals). 
> 
> >>  So, to say the least, the very historical references we use to find  
> >>  information on the ARyans, were written by the Greeks and Romans: a  
> >>  different culture.  
>   
> >>  Your theory is flawed.  
>   
> >Too bad I looked at actual artifacts, not Greek and Roman authors.   
> 
>  When I look at greek and roman literature, I'm looking through the 
>  eyes of the ancients. 
> 
I take it you're blind then?

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Michael Stein: Portrait of a loser
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> >> > Then again, Michael Stein is a Jew.  Which I suppose lets him off
the hook
> >> > for being brave and facing his loss like a man.
> >> 
> >> Uh-huh. And which race are you, that lets you off the hook for being brave
> >> and citing evidence to support your assertions?
> >> 
> >Perhaps you would like to look at Scientific theories before shooting your
> >mouth off.   The ones you no doubt propagate without thinking about.
> 
> Answer the question. What race are you, that allows you to duck and
> run when challenged, never citing evidence to back up your assertions?
> 
I'm afraid I won't fulfill your fetish of me being the teacher and you
being the student.

Colin.


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> >>   Your brain is like a mass of saltwater taffy that anyone can
stretch or pull
> >> at will, Colon.  It probably has to be that way, though, if you are
going to
> >> be susceptible to the verbal ejaculations of morons like Less and Pidgin. 
> 
> >Too bad I thrashed you some time ago in an argument.  Sort of goes against
> >your reasoning, but then you were never very good at derogatry remarks.
> >
>   Do I have to be in order to pull your chain? (hint: NO.)
> 
Unfamiliar with your idiomatic reply.  Either that or it is complete garbage.
 
> >> Your responses are becoming tiresome- if I wanted an echo, I'd buy a
> >parrot,    Colon.  If you are going to flame, at least be original, OK?
> >>
> >Obviously the old methods still bite...
> 
>   I was recommending certain medications for you, Colon, and not that
you start
> sniffing glue.  

Unless you show me proof that these medications that you are taking are
not doing you harm, I won't be taking them.  I expect clinical tests that
date back at least ten years.  Judging from your letters I suspect that
these drugs you are taking are detrimental to one's mental health. 
Therefore your recommendations are somewhat dubious.  I only hope that
psychiatrist of yours isn't forcing you to take these drugs.

> I am impressed, though- I never imagined it possible for a man
> to perform fellatio upon himself...
> 
I've heard the certain drugs expand your imagination.  Do you take these
as well?
> > 
> >>   BTW, I said to ease up on the Valium, Colon, not to go cold turkey
off it.
> >> The symptoms of that were evident in that last echo of yours- you
were ranting
> >> (again)...
> >> 
> >Seeing as I have no experience with Valium and therefore have no knowledge
> >of it's effects, we must expect that you have gone through this
> >procedure.  Is this what your psychiatrist prescribed?
> 
>    You are almost TOO pathetic, Colon.  Almost.
> 
Ironical isn't it?  For someone that cannot win even a simple argument, he
calls someone that can win an argument, pathetic.  Perhaps your
psychiatrist could help you here.

> >Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.
> 
>   Remember what I told you about fellatio, Colon.  At least you could refrain
> from using the computer for it...
> 
So now you are saying that you can perform fellatio upon yourself.  I mean
that is what you told me about it isn't it?  Heck, no wonder your
imagination could handle it, you've already have done it.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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> >However Richard Schultz used his imagination and since there is a law 
> >against it, it reflects his intellectual level.  
> 
> There's a law against me using my imagination?  Uh oh.
> 
Amusing.  Makes a change.

> >However he has since stated that was not his meaning. 
> 
> You should learn to read, son.  
                            ^^^

My mother never told me about you.

> All that I ever said was that my suggestion
> that they let you into University to keep the sheep safe *might* not have
> had a sexual meaning.  Then again, it might have.
>
I seem to recall that when you wrote it you had thought of me stealing
fleece and/or meat rather than a sexual meaning.
 
> >Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.
> 
> The question is:  who is dumber, Les Griswold, or someone who wishes he
> were Les Griswold?

It's quite amazing to think that there could be two racists isn't it?  I
was trying to help the average liberal get his mind around this concept,
seeing as he cannot understand reality.  Take Jeanne for instance, she has
incredible trouble differentiating between Les and Sylvie.  Most liberals
think (?) they are intelligent, my justification is seeing whether they
could comprehend two things at once (perhaps I should restrict myself to
seeing whether a liberal can comprehend one thing.)  In this case, the
possibility of two racists.

Colin.  I'm the real Les Griswold, all others are fakes.


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Subject: Re: ARyans in Egypt and Greece? (LOL!!) (was RE: Egypt, Greece and India)
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> >> >White supremcists, white nationalists and so forth have regularly stated  
> >> >that the ancients of these nations were Aryan/white.  Some liberals  
> >> >contest this with some sort of proof (?).  I would suggest to these  
> >> >liberals that they take a trip to a good museum and have a look at these  
> >> >nations exhibits.  
>   
> >>  Then why did the greeks write about the "Aryans"?  Why did Caesar who  
> >>  was partial Greek (A roman was greek mixed in with various Italic  
> >>  tribes) write about the northern tribes (barbarians): he even identified  
> >>  them (paraphrased): "east of the rhine, they are tall in stature, light  
> >>  complexion and various hair colors, right of the rhine they are tall,  
> >>  light complexion Blonde and more barbaric than the people to the west;   
> >>  other than these features, they are almost identical as a people."  
>   
> >>  Caesar was talking about the ancient "Celts" and the various "Germanic"  
> >>  tribes.  The Celts occupied Northern Italy, France and Iberia (Spain)  
> >>  The Germanics were east of the Rhine River; the Slavs were to the east  
> >>  of the Germanics.  
>   
> >>  Now, this is clear evidence that the ARyans were not the Greeks, because  
> >>  in order for them to be Greek, they would have had to also have been  
> >>  Roman.   
>   
> >>  Various ARyan tribes, when hungry, used to attack towns in Greece.  
>     
> >>  You can't get around that.  Greek history gives us information about  
> >>  the ARyans.  Who wrote it?  Another group of ARyans, who described  
> >>  the Aryans as being "different"?????  
>   
> >Greeks were sandy haired.  Romans also described the Germans as different 
> >yet the early Romans were the same.  Some Roman Catholic monks did similar 
> >to the Vikings (during their raiding periods). 
> 
>  You mean the early Italic tribes.  They were Germanic, or Celtic, 
>  or probably both.  The earliest Romans were probably full Greek.  While 
>  generations later, they may have assimilated within the majority 
>  of various European tribes living in Italy and France. 
> 
> >> >Having just been around Auckland's War Museum (26/07/1995).  I will now  
> >> >share the results.  First the Egyptian exhibit.  On centre stage we
have a  
> >> >female mummy.  On the lid we have a sculpture of her face.  Thin lips,  
> >> >high cheek bones, long head, and more importantly pure white paint.    
>   
> >>  I'd be real careful about that.  There were reasons why the egyptians  
> >>  laid things out the way they did.  There were reasons for almost every  
> >>  thing.  From color to design etc.  * <-- note
> 
> >So this is an excuse for ignoring historical evidence?   
> 
>  NO, I only said "i'd be careful".  You can't go making a conclusion 
>  about a poeple based on a couple of artifacts.  I've seen Egyptian 
>  drawings also and the people were brown. 
> 
Depends on which time period you are talking about.  Egyptians today are
brown, and have been for a reasonable "chunk" of history.  The "race" that
built the pyramids and so forth weren't brown (or black.)

> >Why would the most 
> >powerful (at the time) nation want to have their progeny believe they were 
> >white when they were Negroes?  Also you should find out the Egyptian's 
> >belief in the afterlife, it should disprove very succinctly your statement 
> >above. 
> 
>  I don't follow your last point. 
> 
If you knew Egyptian mythology and the importance of having accurate
portrails of oneself for the afterlife then you would not have bothered
stating *.

>  The face of the Sphinx; do you believe it has Aryan features?   
>   
>  I don't believe so, It looks Egyptian. 
>
It's hard to say with the erosion and nose missing.  However it is clearly
not negroid.
   
> >>  And since when do Aryans have the market cornered with "high cheek  
> >>  bones and thin lips"?  
>   
> >lzaird believes the ancient egyptians were negro. 
> 
>  I don't believe they were south of the Sahara types; I believe they 
>  were of a lighter skin. 
> 
> >>  Egyptian people are not "Black"; they're more mediteranian.  They can  
> >>  have European features.  
>   
> >> >Then  
> >> >there is a hieroglyph of a red skinned man before one of the animal
headed  
> >> >egyptian gods (also red skinned).  Then there are the statures of either  
> >> >red skinned people or white skinned people.  Not one black (or brown)  
> >> >stature among them and of course the flat nose and inflated lips are  
> >> >nonexistent as well.  
>   
> >>  I work with an Egyptian.  She does not have "inflated lips and a flat  
> >>  nose'.  
>   
> >The current Egyptians are mongrels (ie., mixed breed). 
> 
>  And probably so were the ancients. 
>
Then why portray white or pink/red skin sculptures, portraits, statues,
hieroglyphics and so forth?
 
> >> >Next is the greek exhibit.  We have non painted statures of the
greek men  
> >> >and women (we could say Aryan but since liberals can't tell negro
features  
> >> >from Aryan features I'll move on).  However the Museum possesses two  
> >> >paintings of greek men.  Which of course have pink skin and light brown  
> >> >hair (sandy).    
>   
> >>  Greeks are European.  They are not Germanic, but they are white.  
>   
> >> >Lastly the Indian exhibit.  There are several time periods.  One of
which  
> >> >covers the Aryans.  Again we have painted statures (and even a tapestry  
> >> >from SE Asia of the Indian Aryans -- from trade links).  Which of course  
> >> >show the Aryan skin and face (white, pink or red).  
>   
> >>  So because of one artist choice in color, you believe that ARyans  
> >>  were in India?  
> 
> >Do you have a better meaning?  It seems very good evidence for proof that 
> >they were fair and not dark.  Why would they want the world to now that 
> >such a powerful nation was white when they were dark? 
> 
>  Before I make any conclusions, I'd have to actually look at what 
>  you are talking about. 
>   
> >>  Maybe the color had other meaning?  Have you thought of that?  Maybe  
> >>  the artist wasn't a racist.  
> 
> >Maybe the artists were painting the everyday person. 
> 
>  Or maybe the artist was painting the various races that migrate through. 
>  Or the various races he has seen or knows about. 
>  We all know that the European people (Germanics Celts, Picts, etc.) were 
>  Nomadic. 
>   
We do?  The best "European" people that were nomadic were the Scythians. 
Most of the aryan type people were settlers.  On what basis do you make
the Picts nomadic?  All there is on them is theories.

> >> >Somehow I doubt this will convince the liberals, so I suggest you do
your  
> >> >own tour of a Museum.    
>   
> >>  It wouldn't even convince a Libertarian like myself.  
>   
> >> >Though even after this I can expect lzaird to  
> >> >continue to believe in Negro (sorry, Sub Saharan) high civilization of  
> >> >Egypt.    
>   
> >>  I would not classify Egyptians as "Negro".  I think the closest  
> >>  articulation would be "mediteranian".  
> 
> >lzaird's beliefs again. 
> 
>  WEll, race is a vague and broad term.  It's too general. 

Species then?
>   
> >> >Which indicates the level of intelligence lzaird has attained.    
>   
> >>  Of course, you couldn't show the readership how this indicates  
> >>  any level of intellect, could you?  
> 
> >No, but your reply indicates your own.  You're a parrot that has never 
> >bothered to examine evidence.  You only believe some charismatic figure 
> >that tells you differently to what is actually there. 
> 
>  The evidence?  Aryans were not greeks.  There may have been aryan 
>  blood mixed in with the Greeks, as there probably is today, but 
>  in no way are the aryan tribes of Europe also the ancient Greeks. 
> 
They were an aryan people.  Whether you classify them as coming from the
aryan tribes is irrelevant.  By aryan I mean fair.

>  We know this because of Greek writings. 
> 
> >> >Of  
> >> >course if a Museum is too much effort, a poor substitute is a good
book on  
> >> >the relevant time periods.  It's a lot harder to dispute an actual
exhibit  
> >> >(though I'm sure lzaird will try).  
>   
> >>  Alls I can say is "dream on".  
> 
> >Dreamers tend to be highly successful.  The tend to have goals whereas 
> >parrots don't. 
> 
>  It all depends much on what you dream. 
>   
> >>  Our European ancestors (Gaul, Germania, Iberia, Brittania, Italia),  
> >>  were tribal, barbaric, and nomadic.  
>   
> >>  About half were "Germanic" and the others were "Celtic".  And the  
> >>  differences between these two groups is getting cloudier and cloudier  
> >>  as scientists try to reconstruct their cultures.  Of course there were  
> >>  other groups in Europe: "Etruscans of Northern Italy", the "Picts" of  
> >>  Great Britain; these tribes were absorbed by either the Celts or the  
> >>  various Germanic tribes.  
>   
> >>  Nobody knows anything about these ancient Europeans unless we refer to   
> >>  "Greek and Roman" literature.  If it wasn't for Greek and Rome, we   
> >>  wouldn't have known anything about the Celts, Saxons, Goths,
Etruscans or   
> >>  the Gauls.  **  <-- Note
>   
> >Too bad they didn't leave any evidence, or skeletons or anything of that 
> >nature to back up the Greek and Roman authors. 
> 
>  They did.  There are ancient Celtic artifacts found from Spain to Northern 
>  Turkey. 
>
It's called being sarcastic.  Thanks for playing.  You have now undermined
your statement at **, but that was my intention.  
 
>  There's also evidence to suggest that Europeans have been in europe 
>  "all along".  Cro-Magnon man and Neanderthals lived side by side in 
>  Europe (thought to be two species that could not breed together; altho' 
>  some scientists believe that crom-maggnon breeding with neandarthal 
>  gives us the European race, due to the fact that Neanderthals had 
>  very distinct facial features not unlike modern day Europeans). 
> 
>  The jury isn't out yet on whether cro-magnons in europe either 
>  killed off the neanderthals or whether the two produced a hybrid 
>  offspring of the two species (I'm not sure if "species" is the 
>  proper term; but cro-magnons were quite different than neaderthals). 
> 
> >>  So, to say the least, the very historical references we use to find  
> >>  information on the ARyans, were written by the Greeks and Romans: a  
> >>  different culture.  
>   
> >>  Your theory is flawed.  
>   
> >Too bad I looked at actual artifacts, not Greek and Roman authors.   
> 
>  When I look at greek and roman literature, I'm looking through the 
>  eyes of the ancients. 
> 
I take it you're blind then?

Colin.


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> Champollion the Younger is often referred to as the "Founder of 
> Egyptology". This exerpt is from his thirteenth letter to his brother 
> concerning the bas-reliefs on the tomb of Sesostris I. It represents the 
> races (yes, I said races) of man known to the Egyptians and is the oldest 
> complete ethnological document known...
> 
> "Thus we have before our eyes the image of the various races of man known 
> to the Egyptians and we learn at the same time the great geographical or 
> ethnological divisions established during that early epoch. Men led by 
> Horus, the shepherd of the peoples, belong to four distinct families. The 
> first, the one closest to the god, has a DARK RED COLOUR, a 
> well-proportioned body, kind face, nose slightly aquiline, long braided 
> hair, and is dressed in white. The legends designate this species as 
> Rot-en-ne-Rome, the race of men par excellence, i.e., the Egyptians.
> There can be no uncertainty about the racial identity of the man who 
> comes next: he belongs to the BLACK RACE, designated under the general 
> term Nahasi. The third represents a very different aspect; his skin color 
> borders on YELLOW OR TAN; he has a strongly aquiline nose, thick beard, 
> and wears a short garment of varied colours; these are called Namou.
> Finally, the last is what we call FLESH-COLOURED, a WHITE skin of most 
> delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or 
> reddish beard, tall stature and very slender, clad in a hairy ox-skin, a 
> VERITABLE SAVAGE tattoed on various parts of his body; he is called Tamhou.
> ...
> The variations I observed fully convinced me that they had tried to 
> represent here the inhabitants of the four corners of the earth, 
> ACCORDING TO THE EGYPTIAN SYSTEM, namely: 
> 1. the inhabitants of Egypt which, by itself, formed one part of the world...
> 2. the inhabitants of Africa proper: Blacks
> 3. Asians [read: Semitic-speakers of Asia and Medes (i.e., the pre-persians)]
> 4. finally (and I am ASHAMED TO SAY SO, since our race is the LAST AND 
>    MOST SAVAGE in the series), Europeans who, in these remote epochs, 
>    frankly did not cut too fine a figure in the world. In this category we 
>    must include ALL BLONDS AND WHITE-SKINNED PEOPLE living...in Europe..."
> 
> From: Champollion-Figeac, *Ancient Egypt* Paris: Collection l'Univers, 
> 1839, pp.30-31
> 
> 
> The fact is, the ancient Egyptians were not and did not consider themselves 
> white or black. I see this black/white argument as political and not 
> based on reality. You white and black nationalist types like to place the 
> peoples or cultures that are neither white nor black (e.g., Egypt, India, 
> Sumeria, etc..) in your camp just to prove that "we were better than 
> you". In reality, neither group has any claim to these civilizations, the 
> catalysts of the world we live in today. Such irony.
> 
> I say again: try to disprove me.
> 
Extremely interesting.  However it would appear that Sesostris I had a
severe disliking of the Pheonicans or Libyans.  It is reasonably well
known that they raided very similar to the Vikings (who were also
described as savage.)  I would also like to bring your attention to the
Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990 volume 17 pp 443 Figure 2.  It is a picture
taken from Cairo Museum with artifacts from the 4th Dynasty c2600 B.C. 
Two statues are present; Prince Ra-hotep and Lady Nefret.  Both of them
are of the white race (also neither are red.)

As for the skin colour dark red, that is not too hard to explain.  Having
once a physics teacher whose nickname was Sav (short for saveloy.)  A
saveloy (if you don't know) is similar to a sausage except it is contained
within a red skin.  Why the nickname?  He was literally red.  One of the
words for men in the Pheonician and Hebrew language is pronounced
aw-dawm.  Which means to show ruddy red.  For example when I get angry I
literally turn red, the greater the anger the darker the red.  When I put
my body through physical duress (e.g., bench press) I also turn a dark
red.  Light exercise means only a slight red complexion.  The reason for
turning red is that my blood vessels are close to the surface of my skin. 
It's quite feasible for the Ancient Egyptians to have even closer blood
vessels to the skin which would result in a continual red complexion (as
the forementioned physics teacher.)  Is there another race that can show
red in the face other than the white race?  What about the current
Egyptians, are they red?

Cailean.


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> : I couldn't really care what you believe Mike.  If you don't want to
> : believe I'm built like a brick shithouse, fine.  If you want to make an
> : issue of it, go for it.  I really couldn't care less.
> 
>        For someone who doens't give a shit, Colon, you sure waste
>      a lot of bandwidth telling people how little a shit you give.
> 
I found with experimentation that liberal types respond only to
repetition.  It appears that's the only way they learn -- whether it be
true or false.  After I repeat it a few hundred times you will eventually
learn.  I doubt that you believe I couldn't careless whether you believe I
used to do bodybuilding or not.  Just as an example.

Cailean.


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> Champollion the Younger is often referred to as the "Founder of 
> Egyptology". This exerpt is from his thirteenth letter to his brother 
> concerning the bas-reliefs on the tomb of Sesostris I. It represents the 
> races (yes, I said races) of man known to the Egyptians and is the oldest 
> complete ethnological document known...
> 
> "Thus we have before our eyes the image of the various races of man known 
> to the Egyptians and we learn at the same time the great geographical or 
> ethnological divisions established during that early epoch. Men led by 
> Horus, the shepherd of the peoples, belong to four distinct families. The 
> first, the one closest to the god, has a DARK RED COLOUR, a 
> well-proportioned body, kind face, nose slightly aquiline, long braided 
> hair, and is dressed in white. The legends designate this species as 
> Rot-en-ne-Rome, the race of men par excellence, i.e., the Egyptians.
> There can be no uncertainty about the racial identity of the man who 
> comes next: he belongs to the BLACK RACE, designated under the general 
> term Nahasi. The third represents a very different aspect; his skin color 
> borders on YELLOW OR TAN; he has a strongly aquiline nose, thick beard, 
> and wears a short garment of varied colours; these are called Namou.
> Finally, the last is what we call FLESH-COLOURED, a WHITE skin of most 
> delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or 
> reddish beard, tall stature and very slender, clad in a hairy ox-skin, a 
> VERITABLE SAVAGE tattoed on various parts of his body; he is called Tamhou.
> ...
> The variations I observed fully convinced me that they had tried to 
> represent here the inhabitants of the four corners of the earth, 
> ACCORDING TO THE EGYPTIAN SYSTEM, namely: 
> 1. the inhabitants of Egypt which, by itself, formed one part of the world...
> 2. the inhabitants of Africa proper: Blacks
> 3. Asians [read: Semitic-speakers of Asia and Medes (i.e., the pre-persians)]
> 4. finally (and I am ASHAMED TO SAY SO, since our race is the LAST AND 
>    MOST SAVAGE in the series), Europeans who, in these remote epochs, 
>    frankly did not cut too fine a figure in the world. In this category we 
>    must include ALL BLONDS AND WHITE-SKINNED PEOPLE living...in Europe..."
> 
> From: Champollion-Figeac, *Ancient Egypt* Paris: Collection l'Univers, 
> 1839, pp.30-31
> 
> 
> The fact is, the ancient Egyptians were not and did not consider themselves 
> white or black. I see this black/white argument as political and not 
> based on reality. You white and black nationalist types like to place the 
> peoples or cultures that are neither white nor black (e.g., Egypt, India, 
> Sumeria, etc..) in your camp just to prove that "we were better than 
> you". In reality, neither group has any claim to these civilizations, the 
> catalysts of the world we live in today. Such irony.
> 
> I say again: try to disprove me.
> 
Extremely interesting.  However it would appear that Sesostris I had a
severe disliking of the Pheonicans or Libyans.  It is reasonably well
known that they raided very similar to the Vikings (who were also
described as savage.)  I would also like to bring your attention to the
Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990 volume 17 pp 443 Figure 2.  It is a picture
taken from Cairo Museum with artifacts from the 4th Dynasty c2600 B.C. 
Two statues are present; Prince Ra-hotep and Lady Nefret.  Both of them
are of the white race (also neither are red.)

As for the skin colour dark red, that is not too hard to explain.  Having
once a physics teacher whose nickname was Sav (short for saveloy.)  A
saveloy (if you don't know) is similar to a sausage except it is contained
within a red skin.  Why the nickname?  He was literally red.  One of the
words for men in the Pheonician and Hebrew language is pronounced
aw-dawm.  Which means to show ruddy red.  For example when I get angry I
literally turn red, the greater the anger the darker the red.  When I put
my body through physical duress (e.g., bench press) I also turn a dark
red.  Light exercise means only a slight red complexion.  The reason for
turning red is that my blood vessels are close to the surface of my skin. 
It's quite feasible for the Ancient Egyptians to have even closer blood
vessels to the skin which would result in a continual red complexion (as
the forementioned physics teacher.)  Is there another race that can show
red in the face other than the white race?  What about the current
Egyptians, are they red?

Cailean.


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> : I couldn't really care what you believe Mike.  If you don't want to
> : believe I'm built like a brick shithouse, fine.  If you want to make an
> : issue of it, go for it.  I really couldn't care less.
> 
>        For someone who doens't give a shit, Colon, you sure waste
>      a lot of bandwidth telling people how little a shit you give.
> 
I found with experimentation that liberal types respond only to
repetition.  It appears that's the only way they learn -- whether it be
true or false.  After I repeat it a few hundred times you will eventually
learn.  I doubt that you believe I couldn't careless whether you believe I
used to do bodybuilding or not.  Just as an example.

Cailean.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Wed Aug  9 19:38:02 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: What colour the Egyptians? (Reply to Egypt, Greece and India)
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> Champollion the Younger is often referred to as the "Founder of 
> Egyptology". This exerpt is from his thirteenth letter to his brother 
> concerning the bas-reliefs on the tomb of Sesostris I. It represents the 
> races (yes, I said races) of man known to the Egyptians and is the oldest 
> complete ethnological document known...
> 
> "Thus we have before our eyes the image of the various races of man known 
> to the Egyptians and we learn at the same time the great geographical or 
> ethnological divisions established during that early epoch. Men led by 
> Horus, the shepherd of the peoples, belong to four distinct families. The 
> first, the one closest to the god, has a DARK RED COLOUR, a 
> well-proportioned body, kind face, nose slightly aquiline, long braided 
> hair, and is dressed in white. The legends designate this species as 
> Rot-en-ne-Rome, the race of men par excellence, i.e., the Egyptians.
> There can be no uncertainty about the racial identity of the man who 
> comes next: he belongs to the BLACK RACE, designated under the general 
> term Nahasi. The third represents a very different aspect; his skin color 
> borders on YELLOW OR TAN; he has a strongly aquiline nose, thick beard, 
> and wears a short garment of varied colours; these are called Namou.
> Finally, the last is what we call FLESH-COLOURED, a WHITE skin of most 
> delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or 
> reddish beard, tall stature and very slender, clad in a hairy ox-skin, a 
> VERITABLE SAVAGE tattoed on various parts of his body; he is called Tamhou.
> ...
> The variations I observed fully convinced me that they had tried to 
> represent here the inhabitants of the four corners of the earth, 
> ACCORDING TO THE EGYPTIAN SYSTEM, namely: 
> 1. the inhabitants of Egypt which, by itself, formed one part of the world...
> 2. the inhabitants of Africa proper: Blacks
> 3. Asians [read: Semitic-speakers of Asia and Medes (i.e., the pre-persians)]
> 4. finally (and I am ASHAMED TO SAY SO, since our race is the LAST AND 
>    MOST SAVAGE in the series), Europeans who, in these remote epochs, 
>    frankly did not cut too fine a figure in the world. In this category we 
>    must include ALL BLONDS AND WHITE-SKINNED PEOPLE living...in Europe..."
> 
> From: Champollion-Figeac, *Ancient Egypt* Paris: Collection l'Univers, 
> 1839, pp.30-31
> 
> 
> The fact is, the ancient Egyptians were not and did not consider themselves 
> white or black. I see this black/white argument as political and not 
> based on reality. You white and black nationalist types like to place the 
> peoples or cultures that are neither white nor black (e.g., Egypt, India, 
> Sumeria, etc..) in your camp just to prove that "we were better than 
> you". In reality, neither group has any claim to these civilizations, the 
> catalysts of the world we live in today. Such irony.
> 
> I say again: try to disprove me.
> 
Extremely interesting.  However it would appear that Sesostris I had a
severe disliking of the Pheonicans or Libyans.  It is reasonably well
known that they raided very similar to the Vikings (who were also
described as savage.)  I would also like to bring your attention to the
Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990 volume 17 pp 443 Figure 2.  It is a picture
taken from Cairo Museum with artifacts from the 4th Dynasty c2600 B.C. 
Two statues are present; Prince Ra-hotep and Lady Nefret.  Both of them
are of the white race (also neither are red.)

As for the skin colour dark red, that is not too hard to explain.  Having
once a physics teacher whose nickname was Sav (short for saveloy.)  A
saveloy (if you don't know) is similar to a sausage except it is contained
within a red skin.  Why the nickname?  He was literally red.  One of the
words for men in the Pheonician and Hebrew language is pronounced
aw-dawm.  Which means to show ruddy red.  For example when I get angry I
literally turn red, the greater the anger the darker the red.  When I put
my body through physical duress (e.g., bench press) I also turn a dark
red.  Light exercise means only a slight red complexion.  The reason for
turning red is that my blood vessels are close to the surface of my skin. 
It's quite feasible for the Ancient Egyptians to have even closer blood
vessels to the skin which would result in a continual red complexion (as
the forementioned physics teacher.)  Is there another race that can show
red in the face other than the white race?  What about the current
Egyptians, are they red?

Cailean.


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>   Pathetic:  Term used by myself to describe Colon's attempts at turning my 
> less-than-complimentary remarks concerning him back at myself.
> 
>   `One who can not even win a simple argument'- as I believe, Colon, that 
> `simple argument' (it started that way but became more trying as your
credulous
> stupidity became more obvious) began over your ridiculous claim that the Aztec
> royal line was `white'.  I am certain that even you can see that it
would be in
> your best interests not to dredge up that old potty-sludge again...
>
Want to lose again?
 
>   BTW, Colon, you are supposed to take V-A-L-I-U-M, not P-C-P.  
> 
It's that what your psychiatrist recommended for you after he found out
you were taking P-C-P?  After all,  I have no experience with such
substances, therefore we must assume that you are well experienced with
such things.  

Cailean.

P.S How do you take P-C-P?


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Subject: Re: McKinstry's latest lie
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> [>Richard Schultz wrote:]
> >> Face it:  you made a claim, and that claim was shown to be false.
> >> No matter how much you try to weasel out of it, that's what happened.
> >
> >It would appear that I was in error.  Going even back to 1764, the
> >dictionaries do not use the word Jew (Iew, Iewe or other derivative). 
> >They give a good description of a Jew but they don't list those three
> >particular letters.
> 
>     In other words, after much weaseling Mr. McKinstry finally provides
> grudging admission that his claim is not true [that the Webster's 1950's,
> or _some_ dictionary, lists "Jew" under the definition of "parasite] - but
> it really _should_ be true, he's sure it was just an oversight on the part
> of the dictionary publishers, so somehow he didn't _really_ lie. 
> 
> 
> >Here is the definition of parasite by Murray's Dictionary 1864,
> >predecessor to the Oxford.
> >
> >"One who eats at the table or at the expense of another; always with
> >opprobious application: 'One that frequents rich tables and earns his
> >welcome by flattery' (J.); 
> 
>     Just in case you're wondering, the "J." refers to Johnson's
> dictionary. 
> 
> >one who obtains the hospitality, patronage, or
> >favour of the wealthy or powerful by obsequiousness and flattery; a
> >hangeron from interested motives; a 'toady'."
> >
> >An adequate description of a typical Jew.
> 
> 
>      The Compact OED from the Book-of-the-Month Club gives the same 
> definition as Murray's.  Turning to the entry for "liar" we find:
> 
>     "One who lies or tells a falsehood; an untruthful person."
> 
> An adequate description of Colin McKinstry.

Unfortunately Mike I said I was in error.  Was I lying about that?  

Cailean.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: McKinstry's latest lie
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> : We now know, fellow readers, that McKinstry is a confirmed, proven
> : liar. 
> 
> And by no means here for the first time!
> 
> : Why, exactly, should anyone have any further interest in the
> : statements of such a creature?
> 
Obviously I get to you Jeffrey.  Otherwise why do always post and email to
me?  Is this some teacher/student fetish of yours?

> Because he's certain to lie again, and just as certain to be equally 
> incompetant at covering up that lie? Hey, there is some comedic value.

True Adam,  I say that I was in error when I am wrong (or some
equivalent.)  Obviously a lousy liar.  I was reasonably sure I had read
the term (in slang) jew under parasite in a 1930's Webster Dictionary (the
1950's was a typo.)  I still endeavour to find that reference.

Cailean.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Aug 10 11:06:56 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Captain John Smith & Pocahontas
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> >> >I thought I'd drag this subject back seeing as the jewish propaganda
> >> >machine over this movie has hit New Zealand.
> >> 
> >>   And when we make fun of this ZOG conspiracy theory you guys go on 
> >> about, you start crying, "We never said anything!"  Remember this, kids.  
> >> Proof that at least Colin believes in a Jewish conspiracy.  Although what 
> >> Jewish people have to do with "Pocahontas" is beyond me.
> >> 
> >Who are the directors?
> 
>   What the... Disney?  The company?  Is a Jewish conspiracy?
>   Well, since I don't have my handy Pocket Guide to Jewish-Owned 
> Businesses (tm), maybe someone could tell me what the hell Colin is 
> talking about here?
>   Hey, Colin -- how's the vibrating buttock microchip?  
> 
Could you please read out the credits on who are the directors of most
Hollywood movies or is that too hard?

I didn't realize they had invented "the vibrating buttock microchip?"  Is
it any good?

> [snip]
> >> >He was also known as
> >> >a good keen christian (unlikely to believe in wood spirits and so forth).
> >> 
> >>   Damn you, Colin.  Some of my bestest friends are wood sprites.
> >>
> >Well as I was saying earlier, liberals have trouble with comprehending
> >reality.  By earlier I mean an earlier comment on another thread. 
> 
>   Erm, Colin... I was talking about my friends, the wood sprites.  John 
> Smith didn't believe wood had spirits and so... jeez.  Nevermind.  
> Explaining a joke is tiring.
>
If it was funny I would have laughed. 
 
> [snipped story of how an "obese" Pocahontas rescued John Smith]
>  
> >>   Ok, Colin.  First off, what the hell does Pocahontas' alleged weight
> >> have to do with anything?  
> [snip]
> 
> >I object to the promotion of interacial marriage, which is exactly the
> >message being portrayed.  It's okay for white men to take the savage's
> >women.  Children are incredibly influential.
> 
>   Well, what about John Rolfe, the guy who really did marry her?  That's 
> history.  You saying we cannot tell children in school that he married 
> her, because they might get the idea that non-whites are pretty cool 
> human beings? *
>   Not to mention your entire story was relating how Pocahontas rescued 
> Smith and how large she was;  nothing at *all* about interracial 
> marriages.
> 
The reason I am annoyed with the movie Pocachantos (and it should obvious
knowing my racial stance) is with it's interacial promotion.  Also I
dislike the promotion of the noble savage when they weren't.  They made a
hero (Capt. John Smith) into a race mixer when he wasn't, it appears he
disliked Indians immensely for a start.  So you are know saying it is all
right to promote falsehoods as an extension of *?  Seeing as John Rolfe is
not mentioned and that the Indians weren't savages.

>  
> >> >Going back to 1607 he arrived in Jamestown which was beleaguered by Indian
> >> >thieves (not much has changed).  
> >> 
> >>   And the white Europeans who stole the land were...?  What?  Liberating 
> >> it?  
> >> 
> >Aren't Indians nomads (at least in that time period?)
> 
>   Even if they were, forcing people out of where they lived for that 
> season/month/whatever just 'cause you're groovin' on something called 
> Manifest Destiny doesn't make it right.  

By what standard was it wrong?  The savages weren't doing anything useful
with it anyway.

> It was stealing, pure and 
> simple.  

So you have donoted your entire belongings to the Savages then?  Otherwise
you are a thief, pure and simple.

> And what if the native Americans *weren't* nomadic?
>
Right of conquest. 
> 
> >> >These Indians were christianized and were
> >> >therefore equal with the settlers (or so the liberal types of the time
> >> >maintained.)  One blatant Indian 
> >> 
> >>   Bahahaha!!!  Dammit, he wasn't a subtle Indian, he was a *blatant* 
> >> one!  You could tell he was Indian from eight miles off!
> >>   Sheesh, Colin, this is getting thick.
> >> 
> >Again, most liberals have trouble with comprehending reality.  Take
> >lzaird, he cannot tell apart negro features and european features.
> 
>   What the hell are you talking about?  Yeah, ok, so it was a cheap shot 
> to make fun of your grammar, especially when there was so much else you 
> wrote that could be used to make fun of you.
> 
Obviously you couldn't make fun of anything else I wrote, otherwise you
would have already done it.
> 
> >> >that was stealing a valuable item from
> >> >the fort was witnessed by the Captain after which he drew his sword and
> >> >cut down the offender.  Thieving stopped.
> >> 
> >>   YAY!!!!  What a noble and wonderful assassin... erm, keeper of the peace.
> >>
> >Interesting that thieving stopped.
> 
>   Interesting how the Europeans kept right on stealing all the land they 
> could.  Was this person who stole from the fort maybe taking what was his 
> in the first place?  Wouldn't that be just wonderful, chopping off the 
> head of some guy because he wanted his own stuff back.
> 
So what things did the Indians possess that could be classed as valuable
back then?

>  
> >> >  Note that it is in a foreign
> >> >language to liberals:
> >> 
> >>   Oh, fuck you, Colin.  This is beneath even you, to insult people who 
> >> haven't even read your damned post.  
> >>
> >It's an attack upon the stupidity of this argument:
> >#1  
> >#2  Your illiterate, therefore what you wrote is garbage. 
> 
>   No one had made that argument, Colin.  

Perhaps you don't read your compatriot's posts too often.  It happens
quite regularly.  

> You attacked the stupidity of an 
> argument that had not been made (unless you were fighting with yourself 
> in your head);  not only that, "this is in a foreign language to 
> liberals" is a direct insult to people who do not hold your viewpoints.  
> It says absolutely *nothing* about grammar or punctuation.
> 
Believe what you want to believe.  Yes it was meant to be an insult and
was against those people who can do nothing in their lives apart from
point faults at other people (in this case grammar.)

>  
> >> >"The Turkies, and other beasts and Fowle, will exceedingly increase if we
> >> >beat the Savages out of the Country, 
> >> 
> >>   Yeah, like how the buffalo increased once the white people moved 
> >> westward.  Boy, isn't Cap'n Smith here a marvel?
> >> 
> >The buffalo are doing reasonably well these days aren't they?
> 
>   No thanks to the Europeans, Colin.  The reason they were almost extinct 
> is that they were shot for sport and left to rot.  The native Americans 
> would use the entire carcass;  just looking at the amount of time it took 
> for the buffalo to disappear (not long) versus the length of time the 
> native Americans were here and enjoyed a large buffalo population, it 
> becomes clear that the invading Europeans were not at all concerned with 
> the "exceeding increase" of wildlife.

Unlike savages, europeans tend to stop when it is pointed out to them. 
Take for example wild bird populations.  Unlike the savage Maori, European
New Zealanders actually try and preserve bird populations.

>   It's been a long, long time and the buffalo are still a bit of a 
> rarity.  They are most common in the region I live in, and you have to go 
> out of your way to see them.
> 
Yet they will eventually increase, so long as the other races don't get to
numerous (and eat them.)
>  
> >> >for all times of the yeere they never
> >> >spare Male nor Female, old nor young, eggs nor birds, fat nor leane, in
> >> >season nor out of season with them all is one"*
> >> 
> >> >ie., the "in tune with nature" indians ate everything and spared nothing. 
> >> 
> >>   You would expect them to willingly starve?  
> 
> >Perhaps there is a racial difference?  Why couldn't they be more
> >productive and use horticultural or agricultural techniques?
> 
>   You are saying they didn't?  How could they have survived at all if 
> they had no ability to successfully hunt or farm?  

Tell as about this farming Stacia.

> They lived in the area 
> for a long time, Colin;  some European with visions of grandeur and 
> racist opinions hops in and immediately assesses the situation -- no 
> wonder he was wrong.  Wasn't Smith writing to the Queen, making arguments 
> to justify taking the land?
> 
So?
> 
> >> They'd lived in that area for 
> >> centuries, if I recall correctly.  If they were depleting the natural 
> >> wildlife, they would have done it a long time before 1608.
> >> 
> >They lived in an incredibly large area that could support their
> >devastating eating habits.
> 
>   Then it wasn't devastating.  If the land supports you, Colin, it is 
> *not* devastating.
> 
So why was the west a desert?
> 
> >> >Leaving no animals to continue breeding.  Which would account for their
> >> >nomadic lifestyle.
> >> 
> >>   Source, please. 
> 
> >Compare western culture with indian culture.  Which could support the
> >largest population per square foot?  What happened with a population boom
> >amongst Indians? *
> 
>   Woah, wait, are you getting the middle eastern Indians confused with 
> the native Americans?  If you are, it looks like your racist syntax kinda 
> screwed you over.

No, I'm not getting confused.  If you can think about my comments at *
then you will know for yourself.  It is an argument that doesn't need
sources, only the ability to think.

Cailean.


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> >> >I thought I'd drag this subject back seeing as the jewish propaganda
> >> >machine over this movie has hit New Zealand.
> >> 
> >>   And when we make fun of this ZOG conspiracy theory you guys go on 
> >> about, you start crying, "We never said anything!"  Remember this, kids.  
> >> Proof that at least Colin believes in a Jewish conspiracy.  Although what 
> >> Jewish people have to do with "Pocahontas" is beyond me.
> >> 
> >Who are the directors?
> 
>   What the... Disney?  The company?  Is a Jewish conspiracy?
>   Well, since I don't have my handy Pocket Guide to Jewish-Owned 
> Businesses (tm), maybe someone could tell me what the hell Colin is 
> talking about here?
>   Hey, Colin -- how's the vibrating buttock microchip?  
> 
Could you please read out the credits on who are the directors of most
Hollywood movies or is that too hard?

I didn't realize they had invented "the vibrating buttock microchip?"  Is
it any good?

> [snip]
> >> >He was also known as
> >> >a good keen christian (unlikely to believe in wood spirits and so forth).
> >> 
> >>   Damn you, Colin.  Some of my bestest friends are wood sprites.
> >>
> >Well as I was saying earlier, liberals have trouble with comprehending
> >reality.  By earlier I mean an earlier comment on another thread. 
> 
>   Erm, Colin... I was talking about my friends, the wood sprites.  John 
> Smith didn't believe wood had spirits and so... jeez.  Nevermind.  
> Explaining a joke is tiring.
>
If it was funny I would have laughed. 
 
> [snipped story of how an "obese" Pocahontas rescued John Smith]
>  
> >>   Ok, Colin.  First off, what the hell does Pocahontas' alleged weight
> >> have to do with anything?  
> [snip]
> 
> >I object to the promotion of interacial marriage, which is exactly the
> >message being portrayed.  It's okay for white men to take the savage's
> >women.  Children are incredibly influential.
> 
>   Well, what about John Rolfe, the guy who really did marry her?  That's 
> history.  You saying we cannot tell children in school that he married 
> her, because they might get the idea that non-whites are pretty cool 
> human beings? *
>   Not to mention your entire story was relating how Pocahontas rescued 
> Smith and how large she was;  nothing at *all* about interracial 
> marriages.
> 
The reason I am annoyed with the movie Pocachantos (and it should obvious
knowing my racial stance) is with it's interacial promotion.  Also I
dislike the promotion of the noble savage when they weren't.  They made a
hero (Capt. John Smith) into a race mixer when he wasn't, it appears he
disliked Indians immensely for a start.  So you are know saying it is all
right to promote falsehoods as an extension of *?  Seeing as John Rolfe is
not mentioned and that the Indians weren't savages.

>  
> >> >Going back to 1607 he arrived in Jamestown which was beleaguered by Indian
> >> >thieves (not much has changed).  
> >> 
> >>   And the white Europeans who stole the land were...?  What?  Liberating 
> >> it?  
> >> 
> >Aren't Indians nomads (at least in that time period?)
> 
>   Even if they were, forcing people out of where they lived for that 
> season/month/whatever just 'cause you're groovin' on something called 
> Manifest Destiny doesn't make it right.  

By what standard was it wrong?  The savages weren't doing anything useful
with it anyway.

> It was stealing, pure and 
> simple.  

So you have donoted your entire belongings to the Savages then?  Otherwise
you are a thief, pure and simple.

> And what if the native Americans *weren't* nomadic?
>
Right of conquest. 
> 
> >> >These Indians were christianized and were
> >> >therefore equal with the settlers (or so the liberal types of the time
> >> >maintained.)  One blatant Indian 
> >> 
> >>   Bahahaha!!!  Dammit, he wasn't a subtle Indian, he was a *blatant* 
> >> one!  You could tell he was Indian from eight miles off!
> >>   Sheesh, Colin, this is getting thick.
> >> 
> >Again, most liberals have trouble with comprehending reality.  Take
> >lzaird, he cannot tell apart negro features and european features.
> 
>   What the hell are you talking about?  Yeah, ok, so it was a cheap shot 
> to make fun of your grammar, especially when there was so much else you 
> wrote that could be used to make fun of you.
> 
Obviously you couldn't make fun of anything else I wrote, otherwise you
would have already done it.
> 
> >> >that was stealing a valuable item from
> >> >the fort was witnessed by the Captain after which he drew his sword and
> >> >cut down the offender.  Thieving stopped.
> >> 
> >>   YAY!!!!  What a noble and wonderful assassin... erm, keeper of the peace.
> >>
> >Interesting that thieving stopped.
> 
>   Interesting how the Europeans kept right on stealing all the land they 
> could.  Was this person who stole from the fort maybe taking what was his 
> in the first place?  Wouldn't that be just wonderful, chopping off the 
> head of some guy because he wanted his own stuff back.
> 
So what things did the Indians possess that could be classed as valuable
back then?

>  
> >> >  Note that it is in a foreign
> >> >language to liberals:
> >> 
> >>   Oh, fuck you, Colin.  This is beneath even you, to insult people who 
> >> haven't even read your damned post.  
> >>
> >It's an attack upon the stupidity of this argument:
> >#1  
> >#2  Your illiterate, therefore what you wrote is garbage. 
> 
>   No one had made that argument, Colin.  

Perhaps you don't read your compatriot's posts too often.  It happens
quite regularly.  

> You attacked the stupidity of an 
> argument that had not been made (unless you were fighting with yourself 
> in your head);  not only that, "this is in a foreign language to 
> liberals" is a direct insult to people who do not hold your viewpoints.  
> It says absolutely *nothing* about grammar or punctuation.
> 
Believe what you want to believe.  Yes it was meant to be an insult and
was against those people who can do nothing in their lives apart from
point faults at other people (in this case grammar.)

>  
> >> >"The Turkies, and other beasts and Fowle, will exceedingly increase if we
> >> >beat the Savages out of the Country, 
> >> 
> >>   Yeah, like how the buffalo increased once the white people moved 
> >> westward.  Boy, isn't Cap'n Smith here a marvel?
> >> 
> >The buffalo are doing reasonably well these days aren't they?
> 
>   No thanks to the Europeans, Colin.  The reason they were almost extinct 
> is that they were shot for sport and left to rot.  The native Americans 
> would use the entire carcass;  just looking at the amount of time it took 
> for the buffalo to disappear (not long) versus the length of time the 
> native Americans were here and enjoyed a large buffalo population, it 
> becomes clear that the invading Europeans were not at all concerned with 
> the "exceeding increase" of wildlife.

Unlike savages, europeans tend to stop when it is pointed out to them. 
Take for example wild bird populations.  Unlike the savage Maori, European
New Zealanders actually try and preserve bird populations.

>   It's been a long, long time and the buffalo are still a bit of a 
> rarity.  They are most common in the region I live in, and you have to go 
> out of your way to see them.
> 
Yet they will eventually increase, so long as the other races don't get to
numerous (and eat them.)
>  
> >> >for all times of the yeere they never
> >> >spare Male nor Female, old nor young, eggs nor birds, fat nor leane, in
> >> >season nor out of season with them all is one"*
> >> 
> >> >ie., the "in tune with nature" indians ate everything and spared nothing. 
> >> 
> >>   You would expect them to willingly starve?  
> 
> >Perhaps there is a racial difference?  Why couldn't they be more
> >productive and use horticultural or agricultural techniques?
> 
>   You are saying they didn't?  How could they have survived at all if 
> they had no ability to successfully hunt or farm?  

Tell as about this farming Stacia.

> They lived in the area 
> for a long time, Colin;  some European with visions of grandeur and 
> racist opinions hops in and immediately assesses the situation -- no 
> wonder he was wrong.  Wasn't Smith writing to the Queen, making arguments 
> to justify taking the land?
> 
So?
> 
> >> They'd lived in that area for 
> >> centuries, if I recall correctly.  If they were depleting the natural 
> >> wildlife, they would have done it a long time before 1608.
> >> 
> >They lived in an incredibly large area that could support their
> >devastating eating habits.
> 
>   Then it wasn't devastating.  If the land supports you, Colin, it is 
> *not* devastating.
> 
So why was the west a desert?
> 
> >> >Leaving no animals to continue breeding.  Which would account for their
> >> >nomadic lifestyle.
> >> 
> >>   Source, please. 
> 
> >Compare western culture with indian culture.  Which could support the
> >largest population per square foot?  What happened with a population boom
> >amongst Indians? *
> 
>   Woah, wait, are you getting the middle eastern Indians confused with 
> the native Americans?  If you are, it looks like your racist syntax kinda 
> screwed you over.

No, I'm not getting confused.  If you can think about my comments at *
then you will know for yourself.  It is an argument that doesn't need
sources, only the ability to think.

Cailean.


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> >> >I thought I'd drag this subject back seeing as the jewish propaganda
> >> >machine over this movie has hit New Zealand.
> >> 
> >>   And when we make fun of this ZOG conspiracy theory you guys go on 
> >> about, you start crying, "We never said anything!"  Remember this, kids.  
> >> Proof that at least Colin believes in a Jewish conspiracy.  Although what 
> >> Jewish people have to do with "Pocahontas" is beyond me.
> >> 
> >Who are the directors?
> 
>   What the... Disney?  The company?  Is a Jewish conspiracy?
>   Well, since I don't have my handy Pocket Guide to Jewish-Owned 
> Businesses (tm), maybe someone could tell me what the hell Colin is 
> talking about here?
>   Hey, Colin -- how's the vibrating buttock microchip?  
> 
Could you please read out the credits on who are the directors of most
Hollywood movies or is that too hard?

I didn't realize they had invented "the vibrating buttock microchip?"  Is
it any good?

> [snip]
> >> >He was also known as
> >> >a good keen christian (unlikely to believe in wood spirits and so forth).
> >> 
> >>   Damn you, Colin.  Some of my bestest friends are wood sprites.
> >>
> >Well as I was saying earlier, liberals have trouble with comprehending
> >reality.  By earlier I mean an earlier comment on another thread. 
> 
>   Erm, Colin... I was talking about my friends, the wood sprites.  John 
> Smith didn't believe wood had spirits and so... jeez.  Nevermind.  
> Explaining a joke is tiring.
>
If it was funny I would have laughed. 
 
> [snipped story of how an "obese" Pocahontas rescued John Smith]
>  
> >>   Ok, Colin.  First off, what the hell does Pocahontas' alleged weight
> >> have to do with anything?  
> [snip]
> 
> >I object to the promotion of interacial marriage, which is exactly the
> >message being portrayed.  It's okay for white men to take the savage's
> >women.  Children are incredibly influential.
> 
>   Well, what about John Rolfe, the guy who really did marry her?  That's 
> history.  You saying we cannot tell children in school that he married 
> her, because they might get the idea that non-whites are pretty cool 
> human beings? *
>   Not to mention your entire story was relating how Pocahontas rescued 
> Smith and how large she was;  nothing at *all* about interracial 
> marriages.
> 
The reason I am annoyed with the movie Pocachantos (and it should obvious
knowing my racial stance) is with it's interacial promotion.  Also I
dislike the promotion of the noble savage when they weren't.  They made a
hero (Capt. John Smith) into a race mixer when he wasn't, it appears he
disliked Indians immensely for a start.  So you are know saying it is all
right to promote falsehoods as an extension of *?  Seeing as John Rolfe is
not mentioned and that the Indians weren't savages.

>  
> >> >Going back to 1607 he arrived in Jamestown which was beleaguered by Indian
> >> >thieves (not much has changed).  
> >> 
> >>   And the white Europeans who stole the land were...?  What?  Liberating 
> >> it?  
> >> 
> >Aren't Indians nomads (at least in that time period?)
> 
>   Even if they were, forcing people out of where they lived for that 
> season/month/whatever just 'cause you're groovin' on something called 
> Manifest Destiny doesn't make it right.  

By what standard was it wrong?  The savages weren't doing anything useful
with it anyway.

> It was stealing, pure and 
> simple.  

So you have donoted your entire belongings to the Savages then?  Otherwise
you are a thief, pure and simple.

> And what if the native Americans *weren't* nomadic?
>
Right of conquest. 
> 
> >> >These Indians were christianized and were
> >> >therefore equal with the settlers (or so the liberal types of the time
> >> >maintained.)  One blatant Indian 
> >> 
> >>   Bahahaha!!!  Dammit, he wasn't a subtle Indian, he was a *blatant* 
> >> one!  You could tell he was Indian from eight miles off!
> >>   Sheesh, Colin, this is getting thick.
> >> 
> >Again, most liberals have trouble with comprehending reality.  Take
> >lzaird, he cannot tell apart negro features and european features.
> 
>   What the hell are you talking about?  Yeah, ok, so it was a cheap shot 
> to make fun of your grammar, especially when there was so much else you 
> wrote that could be used to make fun of you.
> 
Obviously you couldn't make fun of anything else I wrote, otherwise you
would have already done it.
> 
> >> >that was stealing a valuable item from
> >> >the fort was witnessed by the Captain after which he drew his sword and
> >> >cut down the offender.  Thieving stopped.
> >> 
> >>   YAY!!!!  What a noble and wonderful assassin... erm, keeper of the peace.
> >>
> >Interesting that thieving stopped.
> 
>   Interesting how the Europeans kept right on stealing all the land they 
> could.  Was this person who stole from the fort maybe taking what was his 
> in the first place?  Wouldn't that be just wonderful, chopping off the 
> head of some guy because he wanted his own stuff back.
> 
So what things did the Indians possess that could be classed as valuable
back then?

>  
> >> >  Note that it is in a foreign
> >> >language to liberals:
> >> 
> >>   Oh, fuck you, Colin.  This is beneath even you, to insult people who 
> >> haven't even read your damned post.  
> >>
> >It's an attack upon the stupidity of this argument:
> >#1  
> >#2  Your illiterate, therefore what you wrote is garbage. 
> 
>   No one had made that argument, Colin.  

Perhaps you don't read your compatriot's posts too often.  It happens
quite regularly.  

> You attacked the stupidity of an 
> argument that had not been made (unless you were fighting with yourself 
> in your head);  not only that, "this is in a foreign language to 
> liberals" is a direct insult to people who do not hold your viewpoints.  
> It says absolutely *nothing* about grammar or punctuation.
> 
Believe what you want to believe.  Yes it was meant to be an insult and
was against those people who can do nothing in their lives apart from
point faults at other people (in this case grammar.)

>  
> >> >"The Turkies, and other beasts and Fowle, will exceedingly increase if we
> >> >beat the Savages out of the Country, 
> >> 
> >>   Yeah, like how the buffalo increased once the white people moved 
> >> westward.  Boy, isn't Cap'n Smith here a marvel?
> >> 
> >The buffalo are doing reasonably well these days aren't they?
> 
>   No thanks to the Europeans, Colin.  The reason they were almost extinct 
> is that they were shot for sport and left to rot.  The native Americans 
> would use the entire carcass;  just looking at the amount of time it took 
> for the buffalo to disappear (not long) versus the length of time the 
> native Americans were here and enjoyed a large buffalo population, it 
> becomes clear that the invading Europeans were not at all concerned with 
> the "exceeding increase" of wildlife.

Unlike savages, europeans tend to stop when it is pointed out to them. 
Take for example wild bird populations.  Unlike the savage Maori, European
New Zealanders actually try and preserve bird populations.

>   It's been a long, long time and the buffalo are still a bit of a 
> rarity.  They are most common in the region I live in, and you have to go 
> out of your way to see them.
> 
Yet they will eventually increase, so long as the other races don't get to
numerous (and eat them.)
>  
> >> >for all times of the yeere they never
> >> >spare Male nor Female, old nor young, eggs nor birds, fat nor leane, in
> >> >season nor out of season with them all is one"*
> >> 
> >> >ie., the "in tune with nature" indians ate everything and spared nothing. 
> >> 
> >>   You would expect them to willingly starve?  
> 
> >Perhaps there is a racial difference?  Why couldn't they be more
> >productive and use horticultural or agricultural techniques?
> 
>   You are saying they didn't?  How could they have survived at all if 
> they had no ability to successfully hunt or farm?  

Tell as about this farming Stacia.

> They lived in the area 
> for a long time, Colin;  some European with visions of grandeur and 
> racist opinions hops in and immediately assesses the situation -- no 
> wonder he was wrong.  Wasn't Smith writing to the Queen, making arguments 
> to justify taking the land?
> 
So?
> 
> >> They'd lived in that area for 
> >> centuries, if I recall correctly.  If they were depleting the natural 
> >> wildlife, they would have done it a long time before 1608.
> >> 
> >They lived in an incredibly large area that could support their
> >devastating eating habits.
> 
>   Then it wasn't devastating.  If the land supports you, Colin, it is 
> *not* devastating.
> 
So why was the west a desert?
> 
> >> >Leaving no animals to continue breeding.  Which would account for their
> >> >nomadic lifestyle.
> >> 
> >>   Source, please. 
> 
> >Compare western culture with indian culture.  Which could support the
> >largest population per square foot?  What happened with a population boom
> >amongst Indians? *
> 
>   Woah, wait, are you getting the middle eastern Indians confused with 
> the native Americans?  If you are, it looks like your racist syntax kinda 
> screwed you over.

No, I'm not getting confused.  If you can think about my comments at *
then you will know for yourself.  It is an argument that doesn't need
sources, only the ability to think.

Cailean.


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Subject: Re: Stone Them Bastards
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> > > > Rev. Ron.  You have mentioned a number of times how the Bible condemns
> > > > race mixers.  Can you give me the reference?  I was always under the 
> > > > impression that believers ought to marry believers, but never knew
> > > > about "race-mixers" being stoned.  Perhaps you could help me out.
> > > > 
> > > Deut 23 talks about (in the KJV) a bastard, which in the hebrew is
> > > mamzer.  Which means halfbreed.  The other references come from lying with
> > > a beast (biped) in which case they'd be put to death. 
> > > 
> > Upon checking your references, I must admit I am still a bit confused.
> > Deuteronomy 23:2 states:
> >   A bastard (mamzer) shall not enter into the assembly of the Jehovah;
> >   even to the 10th generation shall none of his enter into the 
> >   assembly of Jehovah.
> > 
> > The word "mamzer" (bastard) has a primary meaning of "bastard, child of
> > incest, illegitimate".  A figurative use is "mixed population".  Based
> > on the context (purity rules), I see no other reason to translate it 
> > other than the way other translators did (Darby, AV, ASV), namely
> > "bastard".
> > 
> > The second reference deals with bestiality (Ex 22:19, Le 20:15)
> >   Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death. - Ex 22:19
> > 
> > The word "beast" (behemah) means "beast, cattle, animal", and deals 
> > bestiality rather than race mixing.  Perhaps you can elucidate on how
> > the two verses are related, and where your parenthetical remark
> > "biped" comes from.
> > 
> > 
> I refer you to reading Gesenius.  The lexicon (assuming Strong's) is based
> upon Gesenius with a lot of modications.
> 
It seems I was in error, Gesenius makes no comment on biped, just opposed
to reptiles, fish and fowl.

However here is a collection of scriptures describing a beast as other
than a quadrapid.

Genesis 9:5 "... hand of every beast..."
Exodus 19:13 "There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be
stoned or shot through; whether it be beast or man..."
Exodus 23:19 "I will not drive them from before thee in one year; lest the
land become desolate and the beast of the field multiply against thee"
Leviticus 18:23 and Leviticus 20:16 Woman lying with a beast (is it
feasible for a non human to have intercourse with a woman?)
Jonah 3:7-8 "And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through
Ninevah by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man
nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything: let them not feed, nor drink
water:  But let man and beast (note) be covered with sackcloth, and cry
mightily unto God; yea, let them turn everyone from his evil way, and from
the violence that is in their hands"

How can say a donkey cry mightily unto God?
I forgot to get the reference from Daniel as well, concerning
Nebuchadnezzar when he went mad as was looked after by the beasts of the
field.

> > > > By the way, didn't Moses have a black wife? (Nu 12:1)
> > > > 
> > > Her father was a priest of whom?  Hint: a person in the biblical
> > > genealogies.  Also Ethiopian is a mistranslation, Cushite is a better
> > > translation.  The land of Cush being mainly Afganistan today.
> > > 
> > Contrary to your assertion about Afghanistan, Moses indeed had a black
> > wife.  The word "Ethiopian" IS better translated "Cushite", and is 
> > translated that way by Darby.  "Cush" means:
> > 
> > 1.  The son of Ham and grandson of Noah and the progenitor of the 
> > southernmost peoples of Africa.
> > 
> > 2.  The land occupied by the descendants of Cush located around the 
> > southern parts of the Nile (Ethiopia)
> > 
> > --Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible (OLB Version) #03568
> > 
> Strongs is not an authority on the subject.  While useful it is hardly
reliable.
> Also for the place called Cush, you could try locating a map of the
> ancient world.  A map from the Grecian empire times will reveal two such
> places, pre-Grecian will reveal only one place. 

I was wrong in placing Cush in Afghanistan.  It is in Iraq instead.  Refer
you too the Thompson Chain Reference 4th edition Map No.2 EF 11,12,13
where it labels Cush.

Not that modern day Ethiopia was called Nubia and not Cush (though
admittedly Sesostris I called the people Cashi.)
> 
> > It would make a whole lot of sense that Ethiopians would be escaping 
> > Egypt with the Hebrews in the Exodus, as Ethiopia was also conquered
> > on and off by the Egyptians during the Exodus period.  Also, there is
> > a continuing relationship between the Ethiopians and Hebrews throughout
> > Scripture (e.g. the visit of the Queen of Sheba to Solomon 
> > (II Ch 9:1-12) and the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch by Philip
> > (Acts 8:26-40)).  I fail to see how the Afghans would be involved. 
> > Perhaps you have some info I have not seen?
> > 
> So you are hypothesising that the Queen of Sheba is Ethiopian, on what
> grounds do you make this claim?  Most biblical historians believe that the
> Queen of Sheba came from some place in today's Saudi Arabia.
> 
> As far as Philip and the Eunuch goes, why would a black man be reading
> Isaiah for?  Seeing as they had no claim into Israel.  Again the Ethiopian
> should be translated Cushite, while there is ambiguity on which place this
> refers too (seeing as there were now two places called Cush (thanks to the
> Greeks)) understanding that a black man has no place in the tribes of
> Israel and that the Israelites had been dispersed north of Judaea should
> help narrow down which land of Cush the Eunuch came from.
> 
It's even better now that the land of Cush is near Babylon, as Josephus
told, not all the Judaeans returned from Babylon to Judaea.

Cailean.


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To be brief;
Has anyone read the International Express dated 17th August 1995?
On the front page it mentions 60% of Solo mothers in England (Note,
England and not London) are black.

In New Zealand 19th August 1995, five young polynesian males stole a car
(nothing new here), got drunk, speed and drove off a road bank, one
survived (pity.)  The insult was that the owner of the car has had (or
having) his car tested for roadworthiness.  Fortunately the Police
understood for once that the car was delibrately off road needing to be
fixed, otherwise we could see yet another case of the victim as the
criminal.  No doubt the insurance company will have some clause for
unroadworthy cars being stolen.  It just illustrates the absurdities of
the liberal mind, that if your car gets stolen, then it has to be road
worthy, so the thief can steal it without being put at risk.  Yes, the
liberals are already complaining about the poor unfortunate polynesian. 
No doubt he'll be let off and given a lot of taxpayers money for
compensation.  Probably the best illustration of all in New Zealand on
liberals is when a prisoner attempting to escape by jumping off the wall,
broke his leg.  He was awarded quite a bit of compensation of tax payers
money.  Incidentally, he was polynesian (Maori to be precise.)  The
justification was that he should have been able to escape without breaking
his leg.  I assume such absurd laws also exist in both Canada and the USA.


I'll be back in a couple of weeks,
Cailean.


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> * McKinstry "Protocols" are banned -- isn't real

>  - Bearcat

Bearcat, I've long since dropped the above.  I even wrote an apology on my
assertion that the UN banned it.  And no, I haven't taken back my stance
of the book in New Zealand.  While I'll admit that it isn't on the banned
list as yet, I'm sure the Police will if need be, prosecute on such a
possession.  After all it does contravene NZ's Film and Classification
Act.

Cailean.


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> : Forgive me if Tony Q of Wellington New Zealand doesn't reside here.  Could
> : someone notify him of this letter?  Thanks in advance.
> : 
> : Here is name and address of the person who stated the finds of Pheonician
> : artifacts in New Zealand (as well as Australia):
> : 
> : Dr Rex Gilroy
> : Director
> : Museum of Natural History
> : The Butterfly Farm
> : Putty Road
> : Wilberforce 2756,
> : New South Wales 
> : Australia
> : 
> 
> I have just rung information and asked for the telephone number
> of the "Museum of Natural History", somewhere in New South Wales.
> I was, told that there is no listing for such a place anywhere
> in New South Wales.
> 
The address I quoted was from a 1983 journal, titled Lords of the Soil. 
You could try information and find Rex Gilroy instead.  As far as I am
aware, he still does occasional lecturing, so perhaps you can keep a look
out for him.

Regards,
Cailean.


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> : > : >What is an "Abo"? 
> : > 
> : > :  I think the poster meant "aboriginal".  I've been told by many
many others 
> : > :  that Native Americans resemble Egyptians. 
> 
> I have never heard this before.
> 
> : > My use of the word "abo" is an undocumented feature in my usage of
English.
> : > Abo=aborigine. An Aussie Aborigine looks a lot like the "Americans of 
> : > African Aboriginal Descent", although they are separate races.
> : > 
> : > I visited Alexandria Egypt thd those people did not look like indiginous 
> : > Americans. They looked like Americans of African Aboriginal Descent.
> : > 
> : > BTW, my web page has a personal .faq file that explains this language bug 
> : > of mine. :) Get poulosio.faq or read it with a web browser.
> 
> Whatever...
> 
> : Not meaning to offend, but there is quite a bit of difference in the
> : physical appearance of Australian Aborigines and African Negroes.  
> 
> The Aborigine is the most deviant genetically from the black African.
> 
> : Granted
> : they both have woolly hair as well as similar skin pigmentation. The skull
> : for one is much thicker and the forehead is more slopped (though not as
> : much a mature Jew's forehead, compare Barbara Steisand side profile as an
> : example.)  It would be amusing to see if a negro's skull can withstand the
> : crushing power of a crocodile jaw as an aborigine's skull can (this is
> : true, recently a crocodile bit the head of an aborigine, who's reflex
> : action was to poke the croc in the eye with his finger -- he walked away
> : as happy as Larry.)  Also the aborigine is far more primitive than the
> : Negro.  The Australian Aborigine has a piercing stare.  It was amusing to
> : see two negroes meeting an aborigine, the two negroes fled.  Because of
> : their extreme primitiveness they also never believed in a higher being (or
> : a god, if you prefer.)  You cannot say that the aborigine was one with
> : nature either.  They wiped out most kangaroo species for one.  Their own
> : myths relate how all of Australia was fruitful.  Most Americans should be
> : aware of the Australian outback being a desert. 
> 
> Where did you get this stuff? I assume it is from "Hitler's Book of
> Favorite Fairytales." Regarding the "primitiveness"(sic) of the Aborigine, 
> they are adapted to their environment and surviving quite well. Certainly, 
> if we were to put you, a white man, in the outback I would highly doubt that 
> you would be able to survive more than a week. Uhh... make that two days.
> 
And?  Is this supposed to be proof that the Australian aborigines aren't
primitive?  Hab, is it feasible for your mind to comprehend the ability
for an average white to actually come up with a way to survive in a
desert?  I can give you tips if you can't think of it's possibility.  For
example, burying yourself during the day helps against the sun. 
Collecting dew in a container in the morning and so forth.  Or even
developing an automobile to withstand these problems (I wonder if it's
already been done?) or even to help with this scenario, roads.  I wonder
whether they exist or not?  I wonder who put them there, so whites could
survive in the desert.

> : Incidentally hasn't this thread lost it's topic?  That is the original
> : race of the ancient Egyptians.  I'll agree with Hab on the fact that it
> : seems unlikely the Summerians/Assyrians were white.  Summerian simply
> : means black headed ones 
> 
> Yes, they were not "white" as we define it. BTW, "black headed ones" 
> refers to the black skull cap they used to wear and is still worn by some 
> people of this region of the Gulf.
> 
Is this confirmed?

> : and the most popular theory is they were the
> : predecessors to the Chinese (though the Chinese were wanderers or nomads
> : at that time.)  
> 
> "Most popular theory"? Are you serious! The most popular theory is in 
> fact that they are related to the "marsh Arabs" of southern Iraq.
>
Depends on which side of the globe you are on.  One of lecturers for
instance, stated the Chinese.
 
> : Though Hab cannot rule out the possibility of white
> : involvement in the rise of that civilisation either.  
> 
> It is doubtful that any European people entered the scene at this early a 
> date.
>
There are semite names on the King lists for a start.  Nabonidas puts
Sargon of Akkad at circa 3800 B.C, Professor H.V Hetchpt (name is probably
wrong) an Assyriologist also proposes the date of 3800 B.C, for those that
came in late, the common theory is that Sargon ruled circa 2800 B.C.

> : It should be noted
> : that nobody knows the physiogomy of the Summerians as their are no (at
> : least not surviving) statues or arts depicting their form.  
> 
> True. But there are hints.
> 
> : However I
> : digress, the ancient egyptians were white.  
> 
> !!!!!
> 
> : They misecegenated and became
> : the mulatto and useless race they are today.  
> 
> I have heard this theory from black nationalists also (i.e., that the 
> present day Egyptians are mulatto). If that is the case, then most of the 
> Middle East and parts of Europe are also "mulatto". And what is this 
> about a "useless race"!
>
Yes, most of the middle east and south east europe is mulatto.  So what do
the Egyptians achieve these days?
 
> : Prior to 2000 B.C the
> : paintings and statues were white, and 2000 B.C and on, were often (in the
> : case of men) depicted as red.  
> 
> You are mistaken.
>
They are?  There are statues in Cairo Museum that state otherwise (via the
Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990.)  One of the colour palettes I already
quoted.
 
> : Hab unfortunately mentioned Sesostris I to
> : back his claim.  Since the name is out we can now safely say (thanks Hab)
> : that Sesostris I had it enforced by law that any negro caught in Egypt was
> : to be killed.  It should be a downer for the so called black civilisation
> : seekers of Egypt.  So for all pro white supporters out there remember the
> : name Sesostris I.  
> 
> Although it is true that Sesostris I made this law regarding the "Nahasi" 
> (translated as blacks), he also separated the Egyptians from the "Tamhou" 
> (translated as whites) who (as you may recall) were on the lowest echelon 
> of man and were "veritable savages" according to the Egyptian system.
> 
> : Niggers were to be killed in at least his reign.  
> 
> "Niggers"? Now is it really necessary to use this offensive term? I know you 
> have certain intellectual deficits, but you do not have to be such an asshole 
> racist as well.
>
Surely you are not being monocultural by restricting myself from using
terms from other cultures?
According to the mailer at Werle@aol.com, nigger comes from both Spain and
Latin.  Therefore calling someone of the dark skin "nigger" is non
offensive in a true multicultural society.   Obviously you object to true
multicultural terms.
 
> : Hab
> : must also realize the misecegenation of the Egyptians (he likes to claim
> : they were brown (a black/white mix.))  
> 
> "Brown" is not a black/white mix (at least, as I use it). The south-west 
> Asian and North African "brown" is in fact the second oldest racial form 
> known. It is a mutant form of the "black", the oldest racial form. The 
> "whites" of Europe are in turn a mutant form of the "brown". 
> 
> [Note: the above is a simplified version of *The History and Geography of 
> Human Genes* by Cavalli-Sforza, et al]
> 
Ho hum.  Have you ever done a course in mutantology?  If you have then
you'd give up such fanciful notions.  For a start, there have been NO
beneficial mutant strains.  Only harmful variants, for example, down's
syndrome.  Of course they like to say there were successful mutant strains
in the past, but they don't happen today.  Obviously you must have faith
in such a system.

> : Of course his commendable discourse
> : from the Egyptologist Champollian was interesting in regard that Sesostris
> : I separated himself from the Phoenicians as a different race.  This can be
> : explained by the similarity between the Vikings and say France and what
> : the Monks wrote of them.  For those unaware, the Phoenicians and the
> : Vikings went through a similar "stage" in raiding, trading and settling.
> 
> The fact that Sesostris I separated the Egyptians from the Phoenicians 
> (who were friends of the Egyptians) attests to the fact that this was in 
> fact a *racial* classification and separation.
> 
So we have on one hand, the Phoenicians being savage, yet being successful
mariners (and of course raiders) and still being friends of the high
civilisation of Egypt?  Have you ever bothered to think about what you
write?

> Judging from this post, I see now that you are one of the biggest racist 
> morons on the Internet. Idiot...
> 
You must be some intellectual calling someone an idiot.  If only I could
be your equal and call people an idiot like you do.  How many years did it
take you before you were certified to call someone an idiot?  Is there
some special program that you took?  Is there some sort of degree
associated with such an ability?  

Cailean.


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> : Not meaning to offend, but there is quite a bit of difference in the
> : physical appearance of Australian Aborigines and African Negroes.  Granted
> : they both have woolly hair as well as similar skin pigmentation. The skull
> : for one is much thicker and the forehead is more slopped (though not as
> : much a mature Jew's forehead, compare Barbara Steisand side profile as an
> : example.)  It would be amusing to see if a negro's skull can withstand the
> : crushing power of a crocodile jaw as an aborigine's skull can (this is
> : true, recently a crocodile bit the head of an aborigine, who's reflex
> : action was to poke the croc in the eye with his finger -- he walked away
> : as happy as Larry.)  
> 
> Please provide more information on this. I saw/heard no mention of
> it in the media here. References?
> 
I can't help it if you wish to remain ignorant.  It happened about two
years ago, and I never bothered to keep the newspaper article.

> : Also the aborigine is far more primitive than the Negro.
> 
> They're so primitive that they managed to survive in regions where
> the superior "whites" can only survive by flying
> or trucking in supplies. That's what I call primitive!
>
Depends on how you classify primitive I suppose.  Obviously you have
decided that technological advances are primitive, and been stone age is
advanced. 
>
> : The Australian Aborigine has a piercing stare.  
> 
> Not true of any I've met or seen.
> 
> : It was amusing to
> : see two negroes meeting an aborigine, the two negroes fled.  
> 
> When and where?
Sydney, 1989.  I don't know why you wanted to know though.  It's not as
though the media recorded it.
> 
> : Because of
> : their extreme primitiveness they also never believed in a higher being (or
> : a god, if you prefer.) 
> 
> Go read about the Dreamtime and the Rainbow Serpents and other stories
> of how the world came about to realise that even they were not free
> from our tendency to create myths to explain things we have no sensible
> answers for.
> 
Creating myths and higher beings are not necessarily related.  Most
mythology has it's non god element.  For example, have you heard of fey
folk in mythology?

> : You cannot say that the aborigine was one with
> : nature either.  They wiped out most kangaroo species for one. 
> 
> Que???
> 
> : Their own
> : myths relate how all of Australia was fruitful.  Most Americans should be
> : aware of the Australian outback being a desert. 
> 
> But a fruitful one. Go and see the vast expanses of colourful flowers
> once the rains have come. There are indeed large stretches of desert,
> but most of the outback is *not* san-dunes.

I never said it was.  Though it hardly rains, therefore it doesn't provide
a lot to live on.  A desert doesn't necessarily mean sand dunes either. 
Antartica is often referred to a desert, as a contrary example.
> : 
> : Incidentally hasn't this thread lost it's topic?  That is the original
> : race of the ancient Egyptians.  I'll agree with Hab on the fact that it
> : seems unlikely the Summerians/Assyrians were white.  Summerian simply
> : means black headed ones and the most popular theory is they were the
> : predecessors to the Chinese (though the Chinese were wanderers or nomads
> : at that time.)  Though Hab cannot rule out the possibility of white
> : involvement in the rise of that civilisation either.  It should be noted
> : that nobody knows the physiogomy of the Summerians as their are no (at
> : least not surviving) statues or arts depicting their form.  However I
> : digress, the ancient egyptians were white.  They misecegenated and became
> : the mulatto and useless race they are today.  Prior to 2000 B.C the
> : paintings and statues were white, and 2000 B.C and on, were often (in the
> : case of men) depicted as red.  Hab unfortunately mentioned Sesostris I to
> : back his claim.  Since the name is out we can now safely say (thanks Hab)
> : that Sesostris I had it enforced by law that any negro caught in Egypt was
> : to be killed.  It should be a downer for the so called black civilisation
> : seekers of Egypt.  So for all pro white supporters out there remember the
> : name Sesostris I.  Niggers were to be killed in at least his reign.  Hab
> : must also realize the misecegenation of the Egyptians (he likes to claim
> : they were brown (a black/white mix.))  Of course his commendable discourse
> : from the Egyptologist Champollian was interesting in regard that Sesostris
> : I separated himself from the Phoenicians as a different race.  This can be
> : explained by the similarity between the Vikings and say France and what
> : the Monks wrote of them.  For those unaware, the Phoenicians and the
> : Vikings went through a similar "stage" in raiding, trading and settling.
> 
> Sure this is tangential to the original thread, but that s not uncomon here.
> In any event, there is a number of contributors who resist your attempt to
> spread what is usually reserved for gardens requiring high concentrations
> of nitrogen and other organic compostable material of from bovine source.
> 
Not bad.

Cailean.


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> > Here is name and address of the person who stated the finds of
> Pheonician
> > artifacts in New Zealand (as well as Australia):
> 
> McKistry, learn how to spell things which you discuss, e.g., Phoenician. 

Oh my God, a spelling mistake!  Too bad the Phoenician language didn't use
vowels in it's written language, otherwise you might actually have
something credible to say for once.  You know they wrote in phonetics
don't you?  Could you please prove from etymological sources that my
rendering of the name is incorrect.

> 
> BTW- I'm still anxious to learn of your own academic qualifications.
> You don't have to tell me that "ac" denotes academe.
>
I've mentioned them once, so you are unlikely to remember again.
 
> > Here is name and address of the person who stated the finds of
> Pheonician
> > artifacts in New Zealand (as well as Australia):
> 
> You did it again, goddammit.
>
See above, you linguist expert. 
> 
> > Dr Rex Gilroy
> > Director
> > Museum of Natural History  
> [in NSW, Australia]
> ...
> > Rex Gilroy has a doctorate in archeology.
> 
> Sounds like me-tooism to me, McKistry.  The Phoenicians were 
> intrepid seafarers, no doubt, but they keep turning up awfully far from
> home.
> As you perhaps know, one Andrew Fell (professor of zoology at Harvard)
> claims that Danny Thomas' cousins came to America 
> several hundred years before Jesus lived.  His book is called _America
> BC_.  
> It has been claimed elsewhere that Fell in moments of candidness has 
> shown a wicked smile when asked whether he believes it all or
> not, meaning that his book is one big joke on the pseudo-scholars, such 
> as Mormons.  He specializes in "decoding" Oghamic writing on
> rocks with plow marks.
> 
You don't know your subject very well, then again you call NZ the land of
the unexceptional, so we shouldn't be surprised.

> And so what if Phoenicians and other Semites did reach New Zealand?
> What's the implication?  That the Europeans are all descended from
> some "right" tribe of Israel? 
> 
No.  Fortunately for people like myself, you are unable to guess my true
implication, therefore you are going to flounder about and make yourself
look like a fool once more.

> Your thinking is mighty queer, boy.  You hate Jews just because that's
> the crackpot European thing to do.  Who cares about you?  You
> represent nothing in a land of the unexceptional.
> 
And you rate?  So who is Jim Collier?  I mean if he doesn't know anything
about New Zealand (he calls it the land of the unexceptional) then he can
hardly claim to be a scholar of any merit.  Especially a liberal scholar. 
Did he know New Zealand was the first country to make the mistake of
giving women the right to vote?  He probably wishes to remain ignorant of
the facts being a Jew anyway, so I'll enlighten him a bit.  The Beer
Barons basically dominated government, and because men love beer, they did
not complain about the living conditions of their wives and children at
the time.  So who were the Beer Barons, I wonder if it's those hooked nose
variety of the human race?  Gee, guess I'm right.  In fact they still have
their beaks hooked into the ol' beer market in NZ.  For example L.D
Nathans (Lion Red) is controlled by Jews to this day.  We also have beer
label Steinlager, as another example of the early dominance of Jews and
beer in NZ.  So basically, NZ gave women the vote to break Jewish power
through the beer market.  Which, no doubt, he didn't wish to read.  Oh, I
mentioned L.D Nathans because they make my favourite beer.

Have you heard of Lord Rutherford or are you an ignorimus?  Any Physicist
worth his salt knows about Lord Rutherford.  I wonder which country he
hailed from?
  
Yourself being a multiculturalist should love New Zealand, it's the most
multicultural nation on the globe.

Cailean.


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>   So, Colon, wanna talk about the `white' Aztec royal line?  That's right, 
> keep on running...
> 
>    JeFf hAN

It's good to see some things are still consistent.  Jeff Han, is still the
best example of a sore loser.  Whats the matter Jeff, that pyschiatrist of
yours not doing his job well enough?

How many times do you have to lose before you give up Jeff?  Is it worth
my while even arguing someone of your low calibre?  I mean I love arguing,
and at times even a little bit sadistically, but your masochistic attitude
towards losing takes the joy out of it.  I mean, that argument which you
lost badly goes to show how little research you put in.  All I used was
the Encyclopedia Brittanica, not even specialised or controversial books. 
You illustrated perfectly the liberal argument ability.  I continually
provided proof, all you said was idiot.  Which sums up your ability to
reason and contribute (you can't.)  I was prepared to go a lot further
with you on the subject, except you terminated it.  Therefore, you now
have to come up with the reasons why I should bother with such a loser
like yourself.  Your ineffectual comments on calling me coward sum up your
ability here.  It wasn't me that ran Jeff, you did.  You disappeared for
months, if you think you have recovered some of your posture, you are
wrong.  You continually show your sore loser potential therefore you have
lost even more standing.  Even Mike Beebe is a better arguer than you are.

Cailean.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: What's wrong with you WP types?
Date: 28 Aug 1995 01:03:32 GMT
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> It's 1:40 a.m., I'm tired but I have to ask you guys something that is on
> my mind tonight. I just briefly browsed Reuben Logsdon's updated Aryan
> Crusader's Library Web Pages and I can't believe how anti-Semitic and hate
> filled toward minorities it is.
> 
Doesn't sound that bad then does it?

> My question is why you WP guys are making such a big fuss about race and
> generations to come when you don't even care about so many of the people
> living today. How can you say you care about the quality of life that
> white people will live years from now when you don't care about minorities
> or white people with differing views today? I asked Lester if he cared
> about whites who are Muslim, whites who are homosexual, or whites who are
> socialist. He said that being white was only one of the qualities he uses
> to judge people.
>
No, we care about the nation (or at least I do), whether some individuals
happen to disagree with it, then too bad.  Not every law system suits
everybody.  Basically, we are destroying ourselves, and it must be
reversed.  What has the minorities got to do with anything?  You fail to
make a connection.  
 
> So if the world moved toward Nazi ideals and if the world was
> predominately white due to war and ethnic extermination, would everything
> be peachy? I don't think so. Lester himself has demonstrated his dislike
> of Christianity in several posts. Is he willing to live with white
> Christians? Or does he want his future society segregated by race,
> religion, sexual preference, political views, class, etc? 

That is up to Les.  Les Griswold thinks nationally and therefore these
differences (if any) can be easily resolved.  Also Les doesn't like
homosexuals.  Anyone with a national thought also thinks likewise.  Class
is always going to be segregated, but so what?  So long as there are no
Jews it will work fine.

> You WP people
> don't have to bring people home for dinner you don't like. But are you so
> scared of different people that you don't want your daughter or son to
> mingle with them? Are you afraid your children might find someone too
> different from you to marry? You don't think they have the intelligence to
> decide for themselves who it is best to marry? 

Obviously you have never bothered to look at todays society.  If choosing
your spouse was so successful, then why such a high divorce rate, broken
families and so forth?  Have you heard of the saying "Love is blind?"  To
elaborate, the average man becomes infatuated with his girlfriend,
ignoring her faults and so forth, he is literally blinded by his lust (the
same for the girlfriend.)  However their parents are not in such a
position.  They can act rationally in the decision, not like their
lust-filled progeny. 

> It all comes down to the
> power of choice and decision making. It seems that you people want to take
> rights and decision making ability from other people, including your
> children.
> 
Have you ever heard of the term leader?  If everybody could be judges,
then why aren't they?  Most people follow the leader.

> Even if the world ever 100% white that would not mean the end to
> differences. There is only so much wealth to go around the class
> differences shall remain. 

This is wrong?  Why should someone capable be levelled to the lowest
common dominator?

> Political differences and opposing views on a
> wide variety of social issues will remain. Different cultures will still
> develop even if the people had a common background. So what is the
> defining line between the differences you are willing to tolerate? The
> people of the future are separated from you in time and space. Genetically
> they will grow different from you as time goes on. So what is your
> justification of intolerance? No reason you give today will prevent or
> reverse the genetic and cultural changes occurring now and in the future.
> The people of tomorrow, simply stated, will be nothing like the people of
> today. The further you go into the future the more different they will be.
>
Hopefully not, however nations go through cycles.  Eventually the people
of today will sicken of their state, and revolt.  No doubt the concept of
common law will again be heard in the ears of all.
 
> You WP types don't care about the people living far away across borders,
> speaking different languages, thinking different thoughts, and having
> different values. Yet unless you adopt an Amish type mentality, inbreed
> and have a static culture, the people living in the future will be a
> different breed of people. So it's your choice. Evolve and learn to
> tolerate differences or be a dinosaur. 

Only nations unified have strength.  Toleration breeds diversity and
therefore weakness.

> If its fighting to make people
> conform that you desire, then be prepared to live and die brutally. In our
> comfortable living in a first world country with thousands of luxuries,
> what worse fear can there be than war or poverty? We can all fall back
> into fighting, destitution, sickness, and ignorance. It is only a
> difficult constant struggle to keep above those ills that gives us a
> decent lifestyle.
>
You forget the necessary war cycles that have put you where you are
today.  It is only the white man's concept of civilisation that affords
you such luxury.  While the media likes to harpen on how life was so
difficult in the past, they are wrong.  There are always the poor, true. 
It exists today, yesterday and tomorrow.  If the poor lack the motivation
to be successful, then so be it.
 
> You have to find solutions to poverty, war, and ignorance. If we close our
> minds to the poor of the world and ignore their pleas for help, we shall
> always have them. We will never be free of them. We need to attack the
> roots of the problem and not the people. Some people associate minorities
> with poverty and ignorance. What if the minorities were gone? The
> underlying social imbalances and problems would create more poverty and
> ignorance out of some the remaining whites.

And what do you place you theory on?  I've thought about the poor people
problem in reasonable depth.  Basically they lack motivation.  You can try
to say it's environmental based, but that is rubbish.  There have been
many successful people that were once poor.
> 
> If you WP types are worried about overpopulation in third world nations,
> then do something about it! Get involved with family planning efforts,
> education efforts, and 
> improving the health and quality of life for those people. 

I'm quite prepared to let them be our equal and bring themselves out of
their condition.  I mean, they are our equal aren't they?

> But if you
> advocate isolationism or war like policies, then all you will do is impose
> tyranny and misery on people. 

I'm sure that since they are every bit the white man's equal, they will
improve themselves without our help.

> Every life you hope to improve will be
> offset by pain and the hellish existence of someone else. 

It happens everyday, unless you are completely unselfish, you, yourself
always makes your life better to the detriment of somebody else.  For
example, a retailer makes his life better by you losing money to him.  If
you overspend, that is not the retailers problem, but it did bring about
your hellish existence.  

> What value would
> there be of human life in such a world? What if slavery came back. What if
> for every master living the good life there were ten slaves living in
> misery. 

Slaves were not automatically in misery.  Some people have no motivation,
and would thereby be content as a slave (no worries about food, shelter
clothing etc.)  Think about it, if I as your master, continually made your
life miserable, are you going to put your best effort in to your labours? 


Slavery is back by the way.  Called under another name, but it is still
there. An illustration of this is a typical job.  You are taught that it
is not slavery, but it is.  You are bound to work nine to five, five days
a week, do what the boss tells you.  Take lunch breaks only when told to. 
Required to wear particular cloths.  You can only take holidays when the
boss says you can.  You are only given so many sick days.  Therefore if
you get seriously sick you are placed in detrimental circumstances.  You
are required to work overtime when needed.  Basically you dance to the
bosses tune.  You also need to live within a certain distance from work,
the worker cannot give up work either, he might be able to change jobs,
but that is the extent of it.  A job is slavery under another term.  Is
the typical man upset with his life? No, of course not.  You also get bad
employers and good employers.  All that has changed is that the you can
change jobs within limits and the boss doesn't directly feed, cloth or
provide shelter.

> Human existence would be a kind of lottery where if you were lucky
> you might be born into a good life. How much money is lost in lotteries?
> Most people suffer for the benefit of the few.
>
That's life, communism doesn't work either.  If the poor desire to be
rich,  then they are going to find the motivation to do so.  Surely you
had motivations to get something in your life.  Perhaps it was a car.  If
you really want it then you go for it, some call it goal setting. 
However, because you got the motivation to get this thing, why should you
be penalised for your efforts?  Why should you give up your
hard-fought-for car to some bum who couldn't get off his lazy butt?  That
is what get today.  
 
> Find general solutions to help all people. Not solutions to help "whites"
> or solutions to help "blacks" or "Christians", but solutions to help all
> people.
> 
I am not interested in helping all people.  Some people just don't have
the motivation to succeed.  Under todays law system I am forced to help
them, by paying exorbitant taxes and so forth.  Also I have no interest in
helping non-whites, I was taught that they are every bit my equal,
therefore I'm going to use such propaganda to my own advantage.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Brief News
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>   So, Colon, wanna talk about the `white' Aztec royal line?  That's right, 
> keep on running...
> 
>    JeFf hAN

It's good to see some things are still consistent.  Jeff Han, is still the
best example of a sore loser.  Whats the matter Jeff, that pyschiatrist of
yours not doing his job well enough?

How many times do you have to lose before you give up Jeff?  Is it worth
my while even arguing someone of your low calibre?  I mean I love arguing,
and at times even a little bit sadistically, but your masochistic attitude
towards losing takes the joy out of it.  I mean, that argument which you
lost badly goes to show how little research you put in.  All I used was
the Encyclopedia Brittanica, not even specialised or controversial books. 
You illustrated perfectly the liberal argument ability.  I continually
provided proof, all you said was idiot.  Which sums up your ability to
reason and contribute (you can't.)  I was prepared to go a lot further
with you on the subject, except you terminated it.  Therefore, you now
have to come up with the reasons why I should bother with such a loser
like yourself.  Your ineffectual comments on calling me coward sum up your
ability here.  It wasn't me that ran Jeff, you did.  You disappeared for
months, if you think you have recovered some of your posture, you are
wrong.  You continually show your sore loser potential therefore you have
lost even more standing.  Even Mike Beebe is a better arguer than you are.

Cailean.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Aug 27 23:42:28 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: WHITE MEN ARE JEALOUS OF BLACK MEN..
Date: 28 Aug 1995 01:26:17 GMT
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> MANY Black men get white women cause they're better in bed and can
> have sex longer than a white-devil. I guess you white-devils are just
> jealous that the average white-devil cock is 5 inches and the average
> black mans cock is 7 inches..... 2 inches caused all this?
> Get a life and get a job...

How was this proved (penis size)?  Was there an official size measurement
survey done?  The Polynesian are well known for sodomy (for example, Rengt
Danielsson "Love in the South Seas.")  I could be wrong (since I have no
experience here nor want too) but doesn't sodomy require a smaller penis? 
The vagina is well known to expand or contract.  However there is no
equivalent for the rectum.  Therefore one would assume that the dark races
(being more involved with sodomy) would have smaller penises.  Which would
make it easier for sodomy to be enacted.  The polynesian are also known to
rape and sodomise women.  Therefore one would assume the involuntary act
on the women's behalf would refuse to accommadate a large penis.    

Basically, no research has been done (just propaganda) and the negroes are
more heavily involved with both entrances, so the obvious conclusion is
that they have small penises.  I'm not really interested in this argument,
but every so often someone tries to extend their intelligence and
formulate this argument.  While I admire someone that tries to go forward
in their thinking, rather than continuing in their low state, could you
please try a bit harder?

Cailean.


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Subject: Re: Les scuttles under the carpet -- as usual (was: Why, you're welcome, Chuck!)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:28:46 +1200
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> [Les tells us who's white]
> >>> White is anyone of wholly Northern European ancestry.
> >> 
> >> So, Italians aren't white? How 'bout the French, are they white?
> >> Poles? Russians? Which of these groups are or aren't white?
> >> 
> >> Perhaps it will be easier if you just state which nations are
> >> white. Northern Europe.. Is this a hemispheric parallel thing,
> >> or can you just specify countries? What about the Finnish?
> >
> >Lane, Lane, Lane...
> >
> >It's so enjoyable to have you here making an ass out of 
> >yourself.  It's almost too easy:  I just wind you up and set 
> >you off, like a good little robot. 
> 
> Damn. And you were doing so well. You had +actually answered
> a question in the first go around. This pathetic attempt to 
> deflect attention from the hideous truth about your pathetic
> belief system fools nobody.
> 
> Let's just translate your feeble non sequitur / non response:
> 
> Les doesn't want all you white folks out there, who comprise
> the majority of American whites, to know that in his little
> pantheon, you're not white.
> 
> Because, if you were white, he'd have to come up with some reason
> why, for instance, Jews, and quite a few others whom he'll never 
> see as white, aren't white.
> 
> This would require that he get into the scientific aspects of
> "whiteness" which really don't exist. What is he going to do --
> snap photos of everyone holding up a gray-card? Those who reflect
> less than x% of light aren't white, and everyone else is?
> 
DNA testing will suffice.

> >"Give Lane a gun, and watch her shoot herself in the foot..."
> 
> And this has what to do with the question?
> 
> One thing we can always count on you for is resorting to such
> infantile insults just as soon as someone squeezes you into
> a substantive corner, where you'll actully have to come up
> with an honest and revealing answer, or be faced with crawling
> back under the carpet with all the other putrid, racist 
> cockroaches.
> 
Yawn,
Cailean.

P.S This is an old question answered many times.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Mon Aug 28 08:20:36 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Competition for replying to spelling mistakes
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:21:59 +1200
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> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) wrote:
> 
> : First of all, marc, you have assembled quite a collection of quotes, some
> : attributed to Ken McVay, and some that I know did not come from him but
> : that are unattributed.
> :  
> : Tsk. This is extremely bad nettiquette, Marc, and you should know it.
> 
> So is creating and quoting a huge message simply to pick apart a few 
> simple spelling and grammar mistakes. Why is every message from you like 
> this? It is always crap like "there should be a comma after "computer"! 
> What is the point?
> 
Here we have from Sara this concept of pointing out spelling mistakes. 
Admittedly this is the best form of argument that she can provide (and is
true of most liberals.)  Liberals go through this stage, which is a fool
thing to do, seeing that at some stage they will make such an error.  Of
course, it is an illustration on the finality of the liberal mind or to
simply put: their best argument.

The competition is to come up with the best stinging reply possible, one
that we can keep (and sometimes modify) for when these liberals stuff
up.   Mike Beebe once pointed out spelling mistakes in one of my posts.  I
illustrated the uselessness of his counterattack using Shakespeare. 
However, Mike regularly stuffs up.  Ron got him a beauty with WWIII, but
this is not enough.  It's probably useful to keep reminding Mike about his
history of WWIII.  Mike deserves it of course, if he is going to make
stupid remarks about someone's elses spelling (e.g., mine) then he
deserves getting harassed every time he makes such a mistake.

Basically this is the only avenue the liberals have and to be sadistic, we
should knock down this only stronghold of theirs'.  Remember this is the
pillar that all liberals are founded upon; pedantic and pathetic
responses.

Any of the regular liberals have gone through this period, so you are
99.999% likely of getting a bite into any liberals argument whenever they
make a spelling mistake.

Just think, 99% of what a liberal says will be nullified by their own
tactics.  This is a worthwhile venture.  You can play by their own rules
and beat them at it.  Like most losers, they can give it, but they can't
take it.  All you need do is come up with a witty, viscious, bone cutting
reply.  The rewards can be shared by all intelligent posters (ie., us) on
these two newsgroups.

The idea is to use the comments only against liberals that have ever made
comments about someone else's (or your own) spelling.  Fortunately, most
of them have done it.  

It will safe enough to post them here directly.  Most liberals don't truly
read what anyone says anyway.  Though my account is open to those that
wish to remain anonymous -- email it too "The Competition" 
cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz

I also suggest that the liberals be the judges -- we'll know we're onto a
winner by their reply or lack of it.

Cailean.

P.S The lucky winner will receive nothing but the sheer thrill of knowing
he will burn the arse of the liberals for years to come.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Competition for replying to spelling mistakes
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> Sara aka Perrrfect (schwartz@infinet.com) wrote:
> 
> : First of all, marc, you have assembled quite a collection of quotes, some
> : attributed to Ken McVay, and some that I know did not come from him but
> : that are unattributed.
> :  
> : Tsk. This is extremely bad nettiquette, Marc, and you should know it.
> 
> So is creating and quoting a huge message simply to pick apart a few 
> simple spelling and grammar mistakes. Why is every message from you like 
> this? It is always crap like "there should be a comma after "computer"! 
> What is the point?
> 
Here we have from Sara this concept of pointing out spelling mistakes. 
Admittedly this is the best form of argument that she can provide (and is
true of most liberals.)  Liberals go through this stage, which is a fool
thing to do, seeing that at some stage they will make such an error.  Of
course, it is an illustration on the finality of the liberal mind or to
simply put: their best argument.

The competition is to come up with the best stinging reply possible, one
that we can keep (and sometimes modify) for when these liberals stuff
up.   Mike Beebe once pointed out spelling mistakes in one of my posts.  I
illustrated the uselessness of his counterattack using Shakespeare. 
However, Mike regularly stuffs up.  Ron got him a beauty with WWIII, but
this is not enough.  It's probably useful to keep reminding Mike about his
history of WWIII.  Mike deserves it of course, if he is going to make
stupid remarks about someone's elses spelling (e.g., mine) then he
deserves getting harassed every time he makes such a mistake.

Basically this is the only avenue the liberals have and to be sadistic, we
should knock down this only stronghold of theirs'.  Remember this is the
pillar that all liberals are founded upon; pedantic and pathetic
responses.

Any of the regular liberals have gone through this period, so you are
99.999% likely of getting a bite into any liberals argument whenever they
make a spelling mistake.

Just think, 99% of what a liberal says will be nullified by their own
tactics.  This is a worthwhile venture.  You can play by their own rules
and beat them at it.  Like most losers, they can give it, but they can't
take it.  All you need do is come up with a witty, viscious, bone cutting
reply.  The rewards can be shared by all intelligent posters (ie., us) on
these two newsgroups.

The idea is to use the comments only against liberals that have ever made
comments about someone else's (or your own) spelling.  Fortunately, most
of them have done it.  

It will safe enough to post them here directly.  Most liberals don't truly
read what anyone says anyway.  Though my account is open to those that
wish to remain anonymous -- email it too "The Competition" 
cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz

I also suggest that the liberals be the judges -- we'll know we're onto a
winner by their reply or lack of it.

Cailean.

P.S The lucky winner will receive nothing but the sheer thrill of knowing
he will burn the arse of the liberals for years to come.


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>         I was recently priviliged to hear a radio show on l9.33 megahertz
>     SW which was a roundtable discussion by all of our favorite        
>     nazis and revisinazis.  This is an accurate transcription ofthe    
>     discussion.
> 
> Rev. Ron:  Welcome to National Socialist Week In Review, where all the 
>            burning questions of our day are freely discussed.  My name 
>            is Rev. Ron Schoedel and I will be your host for the        
>            following discussion.   And don't forget to visit my new    
>            Christian ID WWW Store for all your holy nazi needs.  And   
>            remember to make all checks out to "Ron Schoedel"
>            that's spelled S -C -H -O -E -D -E- L.  All funds will of   
>            course go to furthering the noble aryan race, which will    
>            include the purchase of a new American made Jeep to keep our
>            poor white workers employed.
>                         We are fortunate to have with us today the  
>            leading stars of the netkreig against ZOG, the mudders, and 
>            those despicable race traitors, Hi Jeanne!, who are         
>            preventing us from having our "White Christmas!"  Praise to 
>            Aryan Jesus!  Heil and Amen!
> Lester:    Cut the Christian crap, I'm a nazi thru and thru.  Screw    
>            your Jew God!
> Crusader:  Now, now Les, Jesus was no Jew.  We're the real Jews didn't 
>            you read the pamphlet?  
> Baron:     That's right!  I've proven in my research that the Jews now 
>            are the spawn of Satan, and we're the true Yids.  
> Muscles
> Mckinstry: That's right.  Petrified bagels were discovered in N.       
>            Zealand proving that the white folks are the real kikes of  
>            today.  
> Wyatt 
> Pagan:     Screw Jeeesus!  Lets sacrifice a virgin to Wotan.  
> Vic Noble: I've got a big supply of black candles!
> Marlow:    Virgin Aryan girl!  Wow you guys are radical hee hee.
>             I'll bring the burgers and beer!  
> Sylvie:    Over my dead body!  
> Rev. Ron:  Gentleman!  We must show a united front!  You should all be
>              ashamed of yourselves!!
> All:                 Heil!  Heil!  Heil!
> Rev. Ron:      And now a word from our sponsor.
>         
>         Are you tired of debating with your friends about ZOG, black ape
> like creatures, inferior Asians, and deluded race traitors, Hi Mike!,
> without the proper documentation?  Just visit Schoedel's one stop
> nazichristian web store for all your aryan needs.  Never again will you
> foolishly burn your fingers while lighting that cross!  Get our free
> cross burning guide included with every order over fifty dollars!  And
> you get more!  With every order we'll include our free 3-D glasses that
> let you spot a Jew from blocks away!   And remember:  All checks are
> made payable to Schoedel, that's spelled S-C-H-O-E-D-E-L.
> This is a non-profit organization and will be fully audited by his
> holiness Ron Schoedel to make sure all funds go to aiding the white
> Jeep, er............race.
> 
> Rev. Ron:  Well Les, how's things going over at the National Alliance?
> Lester:    Just great Rev.  We sure shoved it up the butt of those libs
>             who like rock music.  The polka is now the official dance of 
>            the movement.
> Burdi:     Now just wait a god damn minute.  Are you calling me a race 
>            traitor?
> Lester:    If the jackboots fit.
> Crusader:  Do we really have to gas Barry Manilow?  I always wanted a  
>            pet Jew.
> Kleim:     No doubt he will be convicted of crimes against the Aryan   
>            race.  And besides rock has negroid beginnings.  
> Burdi:     No way I'm going to a nazi skin concert and playing some `  
>            Polish Polka!  The Poles are just non-white slavic scum     
>            anyway!
> Griswold:  Your a jerk Burdi!  We killed the Poles last time.   But now
>            we call them white!  Read the latest revision of our ideas  
>            before you spout off Zippy!
> Rev. Ron:  Gentleman, gentleman, we must be united under a single `    
>            banner!
> All:              Heil,  Heil,  Heil.
> 
> Rev. Ron:  Now lets talk about a subject that we're all expert in.     
>            Lets discuss the Joooish Question.  What do you all think   
>            should be done with them?
> Baron:     I for one have nothing against Jews.  Just make it a        
>            painless death.  Unless of course their rich Yids.  Don't   
>            worry, I'll forgive you afterwards.  
> Burdi:     Shoot them, and then torture them!
> Griswold:  Gas em, torture them, and then interrogate them.  We got to 
>            find out where the money is hidden.  To help the white race 
>            of course!
> Rev. Ron:  Yes, yes, to help the white race!  That's spelled           
>            S-C-H-O-E-D-E-L.
> Crusader:  But couldn't I just keep Manilow?  
> Kleim:      Burn em!
> Wyatt
> Pagan:     At the stake!
> Marlow:    Yea, next time will have steaks and beer!  I hope Angie will
>            be there.  What an aryan babe!  She looks like she could    
>            have loads of babies, hee hee.
> Sylvie:    Shut the fuck up you loser.  You couldn't get laid if you   
>            had a pre-paid coupon from a legal Nevada whorehouse.
> SexNazi:   Let Rueben keep Manilow.  You know how moody he gets.
> Muscles
> Mckinstry: We could use my new "Jewish Pressure Cooker" it's almost
>            ready!
> Griswold:  Nah, we'll just ship em off to the next Burdi concert.  That
>            will kill em for sure!!
> Burdi:     Eat it polka pinhead!  
> Griswold:  Wait till we ship out the partial southern Italians, no     
>            white man has that many pimples!  Let's see you blush       
>            I-talian boy.
> Rev. Ron:  Holy Aryan Mary!  Dignity above all else ChristianNazi      
>            Gentlemen!
> All:                   Heil!,  Heil!  Heil!  
> Rev. Ron:  Well thanks for listening, and remember,  the correct       
>            spelling is S-C-H-O-E-D-E-L.  And always repeat the 14      
>            words!
> 
>         " If National Socialism  couldn't fool the white losers  the last
>                             time, try try again!"
> 
>                                                 Chuck

Only a mediocre effort this time Chuck?  This still has a long way to go
to beat "Commique from Zog."  Even your "Secret sex lives of Nazis" was
much better than this.

Better luck next time,
Cailean.


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> > Yes, most of the middle east and south east europe is mulatto.  So what do
> > the Egyptians achieve these days?
> 
> One does not need to resort to this sort of slander to disagree with black
> nationalists about the "race" to which the egyptians belonged. By the way,
> two years ago, an egyptian won the Nobel prize for literature and his
> writings have been translated into english, if you even speak that as of
> course you don't speak arabic.
> 
I'm supposed to be impressed by the Nobel Peace Prize today?  Just say
multicultural works loud enough, and help blacks in the media eye and your
bound to be an nominee.
> 
> > > : Niggers were to be killed in at least his reign.  
> > > 
> > > "Niggers"? Now is it really necessary to use this offensive term? I
> know you 
> > > have certain intellectual deficits, but you do not have to be such an
> asshole 
> > > racist as well.
> > >
> > Surely you are not being monocultural by restricting myself from using
> > terms from other cultures?
> > According to the mailer at Werle@aol.com, nigger comes from both Spain and
> > Latin.  Therefore calling someone of the dark skin "nigger" is non
> > offensive in a true multicultural society.   Obviously you object to true
> > multicultural terms.
> 
> white skin-head prick has been used before, as has honkey. Perhaps we can
> start calling you that. 
> 
Nigger simply means black in both spanish and latin, your point?

> > Ho hum.  Have you ever done a course in mutantology?  If you have then
> > you'd give up such fanciful notions.  For a start, there have been NO
> > beneficial mutant strains.  Only harmful variants, for example, down's
> > syndrome.  Of course they like to say there were successful mutant strains
> > in the past, but they don't happen today.  Obviously you must have faith
> > in such a system.
> 
> What the fuck!?? Did you pull that one out of your ass or what? The human
> race has depended on mutations throughout its evolution. You even
> mentioned the survival of the aborigines of Australia. Even then, there
> are over 500 separate cultures with separate languages on the continent of
> Australia, at least when "white" men arrived. There is no such thing as a
> racial pedigree on this earth among real humans ( I'm not sure if you
> count yourself as one).
> 
Or so we are told (beneficial mutations), why don't we see them today? 
Why did they only happen in the past?  Or are these thoughts against your
religious creed?

Cailean.


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                        Pilate's Report.

"To Tiberius Caesar, Emperor of Rome.
   "Noble Sovereign, Greeting:  The events of the last few days in my
province have been of such a character that I will give the details in
full as they occurred, as I should not be surprised if, in the course of
time, they may change the destiny of our nation, for it seems of late that
all the gods have ceased to be propitious.  I am almost ready to say,
Cursed be the day that I succeeded Vallerius Flaceus in the government of
Judea; for since then my life has been one of continual uneasiness and
distress.
   "On my arrival at Jerusalem I took possession of the praetorium, and
ordered a splendid feast to be prepared, to which I invited the tetrarch
of Galilee, with the high priest and his officers.  At the appointed hour
no guests appeared.  This I considered an insult offered to my dignity,
and to the whole government which I represent.  A few days after the high
priest deigned to pay me a visit.  His deportment was grave and
deceitful.  He pretended that his religion forbade him and his attendants
to sit at the table of the Romans, and eat and offer libations with them,
but this was only a sanctimonious seeming, for his very countenance
betrayed his hypocrisy.  Although I thought it expedient to accept his
excuse, from that moment I was convinced that the conquered had declared
themselves the enemy of the conquerors; and I would warn the Romans to
beware of the high priests of this country.  They would betray their own
mother to gain office and a luxurious living.  It seems to me that, of
conquered cities, Jerusalem is the most difficult to govern.  So turbulent
are the people that I live in momentary dread of an insurrection.  I have
not the soldiers sufficient to suppress it.  I had only one centurion and
a hundred men at my command.  I requested a reinforcement from the prefect
of Syria, who informed me that he had scarcely troops sufficient to defend
his own province.  An insatiate thirst for conquest to extend our empire
beyond the means of defending it, I fear, will be the cause of the final
overthrow of our whole government.  I lived secluded from the masses, for
I did not know what those priests might influence the rabble to do; yet I
endeavored to ascertain, as far as I could, the mind and standing of the
people.
   "Among the various rumors that came to my ears there was one in
particular that attracted my attention.  A young man, it was said, had
appeared in Galilee preaching with a noble unction a new law in the name
of the God that had sent him.   
 - The Archko volume, translated by Drs Mcintosh & Twyman 1975 (original 1865.)


The above is only a small portion of Acti Pilati, so if there is enough
demand, I will put the entire Acti Pilati onto the net.

I would also like to mention that Pilate calls Jesus "golden haired."

>From  Gamaliel's interview also from the same book we have this description
of Jesus:

"He is the picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, round face. 
His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from
sunburn as anything else.  He is tall, and his shoulders are a little
drooped; his visage is thin and of a swarthy complexion, though this is
>from  exposure.  His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather dull and
heavy."

The reference comes the "hagiographa" or holy writings, found in the St.
Sophia Mosque at Constantinople, made by Gamaliel, in the Tulmuds of the
Jews, 27 B.C

Make of it as you will,
Cailean.


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                        Pilate's Report.

"To Tiberius Caesar, Emperor of Rome.
   "Noble Sovereign, Greeting:  The events of the last few days in my
province have been of such a character that I will give the details in
full as they occurred, as I should not be surprised if, in the course of
time, they may change the destiny of our nation, for it seems of late that
all the gods have ceased to be propitious.  I am almost ready to say,
Cursed be the day that I succeeded Vallerius Flaceus in the government of
Judea; for since then my life has been one of continual uneasiness and
distress.
   "On my arrival at Jerusalem I took possession of the praetorium, and
ordered a splendid feast to be prepared, to which I invited the tetrarch
of Galilee, with the high priest and his officers.  At the appointed hour
no guests appeared.  This I considered an insult offered to my dignity,
and to the whole government which I represent.  A few days after the high
priest deigned to pay me a visit.  His deportment was grave and
deceitful.  He pretended that his religion forbade him and his attendants
to sit at the table of the Romans, and eat and offer libations with them,
but this was only a sanctimonious seeming, for his very countenance
betrayed his hypocrisy.  Although I thought it expedient to accept his
excuse, from that moment I was convinced that the conquered had declared
themselves the enemy of the conquerors; and I would warn the Romans to
beware of the high priests of this country.  They would betray their own
mother to gain office and a luxurious living.  It seems to me that, of
conquered cities, Jerusalem is the most difficult to govern.  So turbulent
are the people that I live in momentary dread of an insurrection.  I have
not the soldiers sufficient to suppress it.  I had only one centurion and
a hundred men at my command.  I requested a reinforcement from the prefect
of Syria, who informed me that he had scarcely troops sufficient to defend
his own province.  An insatiate thirst for conquest to extend our empire
beyond the means of defending it, I fear, will be the cause of the final
overthrow of our whole government.  I lived secluded from the masses, for
I did not know what those priests might influence the rabble to do; yet I
endeavored to ascertain, as far as I could, the mind and standing of the
people.
   "Among the various rumors that came to my ears there was one in
particular that attracted my attention.  A young man, it was said, had
appeared in Galilee preaching with a noble unction a new law in the name
of the God that had sent him.   
 - The Archko volume, translated by Drs Mcintosh & Twyman 1975 (original 1865.)


The above is only a small portion of Acti Pilati, so if there is enough
demand, I will put the entire Acti Pilati onto the net.

I would also like to mention that Pilate calls Jesus "golden haired."

>From  Gamaliel's interview also from the same book we have this description
of Jesus:

"He is the picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, round face. 
His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from
sunburn as anything else.  He is tall, and his shoulders are a little
drooped; his visage is thin and of a swarthy complexion, though this is
>from  exposure.  His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather dull and
heavy."

The reference comes the "hagiographa" or holy writings, found in the St.
Sophia Mosque at Constantinople, made by Gamaliel, in the Tulmuds of the
Jews, 27 B.C

Make of it as you will,
Cailean.


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In article ,
cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:

>                         Pilate's Report.
> 
> "To Tiberius Caesar, Emperor of Rome.
>    "Noble Sovereign, Greeting:  The events of the last few days in my
> province have been of such a character that I will give the details in
> full as they occurred, as I should not be surprised if, in the course of
> time, they may change the destiny of our nation, for it seems of late that
> all the gods have ceased to be propitious.  I am almost ready to say,
> Cursed be the day that I succeeded Vallerius Flaceus in the government of
> Judea; for since then my life has been one of continual uneasiness and
> distress.
>    "On my arrival at Jerusalem I took possession of the praetorium, and
> ordered a splendid feast to be prepared, to which I invited the tetrarch
> of Galilee, with the high priest and his officers.  At the appointed hour
> no guests appeared.  This I considered an insult offered to my dignity,
> and to the whole government which I represent.  A few days after the high
> priest deigned to pay me a visit.  His deportment was grave and
> deceitful.  He pretended that his religion forbade him and his attendants
> to sit at the table of the Romans, and eat and offer libations with them,
> but this was only a sanctimonious seeming, for his very countenance
> betrayed his hypocrisy.  Although I thought it expedient to accept his
> excuse, from that moment I was convinced that the conquered had declared
> themselves the enemy of the conquerors; and I would warn the Romans to
> beware of the high priests of this country.  They would betray their own
> mother to gain office and a luxurious living.  It seems to me that, of
> conquered cities, Jerusalem is the most difficult to govern.  So turbulent
> are the people that I live in momentary dread of an insurrection.  I have
> not the soldiers sufficient to suppress it.  I had only one centurion and
> a hundred men at my command.  I requested a reinforcement from the prefect
> of Syria, who informed me that he had scarcely troops sufficient to defend
> his own province.  An insatiate thirst for conquest to extend our empire
> beyond the means of defending it, I fear, will be the cause of the final
> overthrow of our whole government.  I lived secluded from the masses, for
> I did not know what those priests might influence the rabble to do; yet I
> endeavored to ascertain, as far as I could, the mind and standing of the
> people.
>    "Among the various rumors that came to my ears there was one in
> particular that attracted my attention.  A young man, it was said, had
> appeared in Galilee preaching with a noble unction a new law in the name
> of the God that had sent him.   
>  - The Archko volume, translated by Drs Mcintosh & Twyman 1975 (original
1865.)
> 
> 
> The above is only a small portion of Acti Pilati, so if there is enough
> demand, I will put the entire Acti Pilati onto the net.
> 
> I would also like to mention that Pilate calls Jesus "golden haired."
> 
> From Gamaliel's interview also from the same book we have this description
> of Jesus:
> 
> "He is the picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, round face. 
> His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from
> sunburn as anything else.  He is tall, and his shoulders are a little
> drooped; his visage is thin and of a swarthy complexion, though this is
> from exposure.  His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather dull and
> heavy."
> 
> The reference comes the "hagiographa" or holy writings, found in the St.
> Sophia Mosque at Constantinople, made by Gamaliel, in the Tulmuds of the
> Jews, 27 B.C
>       ^^^^^^
error already, it should read 27 A.D.  No doubt those of the intelligent
species could have figured it though. 

> Make of it as you will,
> Cailean.


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Subject: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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No doubt these are old hat to most Americans, but it doesn't hurt to
repeat them every so often.

"Before a standing army or a tyrannical government can rule, the people
must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe.  The
supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because
the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to
any band of regular (or professional) troops that can be, on any pretense,
raised in the United States." Noah Webster, 1787

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.  They are
the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence.  To
secure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and the pistol are equally
indispensable.  The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil
interference -- they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."
George Washington

"The Constitution shall never be construed...to prevent the people of the
United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
Samuel Adams

"No free men shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson

As Thomas Jefferson wrote: "The strongest reason for the people to retain
the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect
themselves against tyranny in government."

"In 1982 a District of Columbia Court of Appeals stated, 'The police
responsibility is only to the public at large, and not to individual
members of the community.' What does this mean? It means that you as an
American citizen are the ultimate guarantor of your own life and safety
and that of your family -- not the police, not the courts, not any
governmental agency."

Cailean.


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                        Pilate's Report.

"To Tiberius Caesar, Emperor of Rome.
   "Noble Sovereign, Greeting:  The events of the last few days in my
province have been of such a character that I will give the details in
full as they occurred, as I should not be surprised if, in the course of
time, they may change the destiny of our nation, for it seems of late that
all the gods have ceased to be propitious.  I am almost ready to say,
Cursed be the day that I succeeded Vallerius Flaceus in the government of
Judea; for since then my life has been one of continual uneasiness and
distress.
   "On my arrival at Jerusalem I took possession of the praetorium, and
ordered a splendid feast to be prepared, to which I invited the tetrarch
of Galilee, with the high priest and his officers.  At the appointed hour
no guests appeared.  This I considered an insult offered to my dignity,
and to the whole government which I represent.  A few days after the high
priest deigned to pay me a visit.  His deportment was grave and
deceitful.  He pretended that his religion forbade him and his attendants
to sit at the table of the Romans, and eat and offer libations with them,
but this was only a sanctimonious seeming, for his very countenance
betrayed his hypocrisy.  Although I thought it expedient to accept his
excuse, from that moment I was convinced that the conquered had declared
themselves the enemy of the conquerors; and I would warn the Romans to
beware of the high priests of this country.  They would betray their own
mother to gain office and a luxurious living.  It seems to me that, of
conquered cities, Jerusalem is the most difficult to govern.  So turbulent
are the people that I live in momentary dread of an insurrection.  I have
not the soldiers sufficient to suppress it.  I had only one centurion and
a hundred men at my command.  I requested a reinforcement from the prefect
of Syria, who informed me that he had scarcely troops sufficient to defend
his own province.  An insatiate thirst for conquest to extend our empire
beyond the means of defending it, I fear, will be the cause of the final
overthrow of our whole government.  I lived secluded from the masses, for
I did not know what those priests might influence the rabble to do; yet I
endeavored to ascertain, as far as I could, the mind and standing of the
people.
   "Among the various rumors that came to my ears there was one in
particular that attracted my attention.  A young man, it was said, had
appeared in Galilee preaching with a noble unction a new law in the name
of the God that had sent him.   
 - The Archko volume, translated by Drs Mcintosh & Twyman 1975 (original 1865.)


The above is only a small portion of Acti Pilati, so if there is enough
demand, I will put the entire Acti Pilati onto the net.

I would also like to mention that Pilate calls Jesus "golden haired."

>From  Gamaliel's interview also from the same book we have this description
of Jesus:

"He is the picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, round face. 
His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from
sunburn as anything else.  He is tall, and his shoulders are a little
drooped; his visage is thin and of a swarthy complexion, though this is
>from  exposure.  His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather dull and
heavy."

The reference comes the "hagiographa" or holy writings, found in the St.
Sophia Mosque at Constantinople, made by Gamaliel, in the Tulmuds of the
Jews, 27 B.C

Make of it as you will,
Cailean.


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Subject: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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No doubt these are old hat to most Americans, but it doesn't hurt to
repeat them every so often.

"Before a standing army or a tyrannical government can rule, the people
must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe.  The
supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because
the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to
any band of regular (or professional) troops that can be, on any pretense,
raised in the United States." Noah Webster, 1787

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.  They are
the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence.  To
secure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and the pistol are equally
indispensable.  The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil
interference -- they deserve a place of honor with all that is good."
George Washington

"The Constitution shall never be construed...to prevent the people of the
United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
Samuel Adams

"No free men shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson

As Thomas Jefferson wrote: "The strongest reason for the people to retain
the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect
themselves against tyranny in government."

"In 1982 a District of Columbia Court of Appeals stated, 'The police
responsibility is only to the public at large, and not to individual
members of the community.' What does this mean? It means that you as an
American citizen are the ultimate guarantor of your own life and safety
and that of your family -- not the police, not the courts, not any
governmental agency."

Cailean.


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In article <41luat$4bm@warp.cris.com>,
NotProvidedBecauseOfFlames@SorryGuys.com (RUSH LIMBAUGH) wrote:

> xenith@clam.rutgers.edu (Marcus) wrote:
> 
> YOU>>By the same token, Many white police officers and Troops protect
> YOU>>your sorry black ass. So stop complaining.
> 
> bUT, i'M WHITE...? SO WHATS YOUR FUCKING POINT NOW?

Are you sure?  You've managed to fool us quite convincingly.  Here we were
thinking you were just a regular black, probably more intelligent than the
rest of your kind, and then you burst our bubble with the above comment. 
If you are white, could you improve your posts so we don't continue to
think you're black? As to black policemen protecting our white asses, who
cares?  They're paid to do it.  Most black police are poor policemen (not
in the monetary sense.)  They fail to gain respect in any races eyes,
especially blacks.  

Cailean.


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> >> [Les tells us who's white]
> >> >>> White is anyone of wholly Northern European ancestry.
> >> >> 
> >> >> So, Italians aren't white? How 'bout the French, are they white?
> >> >> Poles? Russians? Which of these groups are or aren't white?
> >> >> 
> >> >> Perhaps it will be easier if you just state which nations are
> >> >> white. Northern Europe.. Is this a hemispheric parallel thing,
> >> >> or can you just specify countries? What about the Finnish?
> 
> [Les prevaricates -- big surprise +not]
> 
> >
> >P.S This is an old question answered many times.
> 
> Oh good. I missed the earlier missives on this topic. Could
> you tell us? Thanks.
> 
Read the message carefully before you clip it.  Somewhere amongst the
waffle was a single sentence from myself.  I could repeat it, but you'd be
bound to miss it again, so you'll have to make do with what was produced
before.

Cailean.


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> : Nigger simply means black in both spanish and latin, your point?
> 
> Wrong, 1950's-Webster-Dictionary-Boy. The latin is "niger," with one "g," 
> and the pronunciation (certainly in ecclesiatical Latin and probably in 
> classical Latin as well, though I would appreciate a classicist's 
> opinion) would be different from that of your foul slur. As for Spanish: 
> it's "negro," not "nigger."
> 
> And my point: that you're fabricating arguments, as usual.
> 
Oh I realize the transliteration from latin and spanish hasn't been
strictly preserved.  As for spanish you'll have to argue that out with
werle@aol.com who is one of your own.  You should note that the spanish
has identical spelling to the latin for nigger (ie., niger.)

Surely you noticed my apology over the dictionary business?

> : Or so we are told (beneficial mutations), why don't we see them today? 
> 
> We do, Biology-Boy. What separates us from earlier forms of life is 
> precisely these mutations.
> 
> 
> : Why did they only happen in the past?  
> 
> Because large-scale mutations don't take place in the time it takes you 
> to watch _Triumph des Willens_; they happen in the present, too, but not 
> at a rate that will satisfy your attention span and/or intellectual grasp.
>
You obviously don't keep up with your religious creed.  The popular
concept is quick changes, which makes more sense than gradual changes.  It
should be reasonable obvious why if you done any serious work in
genetics.     
> 
> : Or are these thoughts against your
> : religious creed?
> 
> Religions tend to be the forces opposing the notion of evolution, 
> Philosophy-Boy.
> 
I'm afraid evolution is a religious doctrine.  You have to have faith to
believe in it, just like all the other religions.  Evolution even has its
own priests.

Cailean.


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> >   cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) writes:
>     The Polynesian are well known for sodomy (for example, Rengt
> >  Danielsson "Love in the South Seas.")  I could be wrong (since I have no
> >  experience here nor want too) but doesn't sodomy require a smaller penis? 
> >  The vagina is well known to expand or contract.  However there is no
> >  equivalent for the rectum.  Therefore one would assume that the dark races
> >  (being more involved with sodomy) would have smaller penises.  Which would
> >  make it easier for sodomy to be enacted.  The polynesian are also known to
> >  rape and sodomise women.
> >  Basically, no research has been done (just propaganda) and the negroes are
> >  more heavily involved with both entrances, so the obvious conclusion is
> >  that they have small penises. 
> 
> >  Cailean.
> >  
> >>>>
> Where do you get your ideas that people of colour are more involved with
anal sex? I 
> know many Africans and they are usually of very anti-gay sentiment.
President Mugabe 
> of Zimbabwe has recently been critiziced for equating gay people with
pigs and calling 
> they "perverted sodomites"; something many Africans agree with. Furthermore, 
> Jamaicans are known to be very hostile to gay people as they live in a
very "macho" 
> culture. As far as Polynesians (that you seem so obsessed with) go I
don't know 
> enough to say anything. I do know however that the authors name is BENGT 
> Danielsson since he is Swedish just like me. Your babble about rectums
and sodomy 
> among "darker" peoples just goes to show your inherit prejudices and fears of 
> strangers. 

I note however, that you haven't tried to disprove what I said.  Therefore
one must assume you are producing waffle.  Also note that you have made
the conclusion on homosexuality, you'll note I made no such comment.  Anal
intercourse is not restricted between two men.  The polynesian men use
both entrances (maybe they don't know the difference) on their females. 
>From  what I have been told, the womb is resistent to disease, whereas the
anal passage isn't, therefore one would assume higher transmission of AIDS
to be transported via anal intercourse (unless of course the female is
ovulating.)  Since of the higher AIDS rate amongst the blacks (including
heterosexual communities) I made an assumption that blacks must use the
drainpipe in abundance, as with polynesians.  Also, polynesians are often
classed as blacks.

Your last sentence is an illogical conclusion.  How does the former part
of the sentence correctly connects with the latter?  Are all strangers
"darker people?" How does this relate to inherit prejudices?  How are they
inherit? 

What exactly DO you do with all those sheep over there??!
> 
Lets see now, we breed them, shear them and even eat them and we even
export them to our enemies.  That wasn't a "too difficult" concept was it
now?

Cailean.


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> 
> : > : Or so we are told (beneficial mutations), why don't we see them today? 
> : > 
> : > We do, Biology-Boy. What separates us from earlier forms of life is 
> : > precisely these mutations.
> : > 
> : > 
> : > : Why did they only happen in the past?  
> : > 
> : > Because large-scale mutations don't take place in the time it takes you 
> : > to watch _Triumph des Willens_; they happen in the present, too, but not 
> : > at a rate that will satisfy your attention span and/or intellectual grasp.
> : >
> : You obviously don't keep up with your religious creed.  
> 
> I don't have a religious creed (unless by that you mean, a creed about 
> religion). I'm agnostic.
> 
> : The popular
> : concept is quick changes, which makes more sense than gradual changes.  It
> : should be reasonable obvious why if you done any serious work in
> : genetics.     
> 
> I have not, and I'm happy to accept quick changes rather than slow ones. 
> The point remains that not seeing changes in your lifetime is not a 
> viable argument against evolution.
> 
You see the hypocrisy between "christians" and "evolutionists" clearly then?   
> : > 
> : > : Or are these thoughts against your
> : > : religious creed?
> : > 
> : > Religions tend to be the forces opposing the notion of evolution, 
> : > Philosophy-Boy.
> : > 
> : I'm afraid evolution is a religious doctrine.  You have to have faith to
> : believe in it, just like all the other religions.  Evolution even has its
> : own priests.
> 
> 
> This is nonsense propigated by the pseudo-intellectuals in the 
> "Creationist" movement. If you wish to boil all human belief down to the 
> notion of faith (i.e., equating faith with conviction), then your 
> statement could stand. The problem is, that puts you in a radically 
> skepticist position, in which case the word "religion" loses its 
> specificity. The fact is, belief, for example, in a Creator who created 
> the world quickly relies on a _very_ different epistemological and 
> ontological model from belief based on fossils and the like. If you want 
> to pronounce them equal, then be prepared to uphold this radical 
> skepticism in all issues, or to be exposed as laughably inconsistent.
> 
I'm not debating whether evolution is right or wrong, but those who are
ignorant make all sorts of opinions that aren't there.  Religion means to
bind.  Gods don't have to be divine, therefore your accusations are
pointless.  Society forms the religion they wish to follow.  For example,
a warlike and adventurous people have warlike and adventurous gods (ie.,
the Norse Pantheon), a lazy and ignorant society worships a lazy and
ignorant god(s).

> : Cailean.
> 
> Shouldn't that be "Caliban"?
> 
Shouldn't someone that reports to not be ignorant have all the answers,
old fruit?

Cailean.


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> : Well,I tried to stay out of this one, but flesh is weak.
> 
> And the mind seems to be feeble.
> 
> : the word "nigger" as applied to African blacks comes from the 
> : slave trade. and is an english degeneration of either the Spanish
> : word negre (accent grave over the first e) or the French word 
> : neger.
> 
> I looked in the Vox Modern Spanish-English Dictionary (1988),
> which has no ISBN number, but its Library of Congress number is 86-61160.
> The relevant page is p.300. There is *NO* entry under "negre" (with or
> without accent on the "e"), but there *are* entries
> 
> "negra"
> "negrear" (a verb)
> "negrero/negrera"
> "negrillo/negrilla"
> "negro" (note the simliarity with the English "negro", which is given
>       as the English translation)
> "negruizo"
> 
> On the other hand
> The CNRS's Institut National de la Langue Francaise in Nantes
> published in 1986 its "Tresor de la Langue Francaise"
> Volume XII p. 62 has entries
> 
> "negatoscope"
> "negentropie"
> "negligement"
> 
> No entry for "neger".
> 
> But, turn to pages 68 to 71 and you'll find
> "negre" (with the accent on the first "e"!)
> "negresse",
> "negrille",
> "negrito"
> etc.
> 
> Hmm. What do you say to that? Is there a Judeo-African
> Internatioanl Conspiracy for the Post Hoc Revision of
> the Romance Languages to Make It Look as if I Were
> Bullshitting?
> 
> Quite a mouthful.
> 
> d.A.
> 
> negrillo

Take it up with Werle@aol.com, he's a liberal like yourself.  He has a
spanish wife to boot (or that is what he told me.)

Cailean.


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> >> This would require that he get into the scientific aspects of
> >> "whiteness" which really don't exist. What is he going to do --
> >> snap photos of everyone holding up a gray-card? Those who reflect
> >> less than x% of light aren't white, and everyone else is?
> >> 
> >DNA testing will suffice.
> 
> Indeed. I think some elaboration is in order. Please answer the
> following:
> 
> (1) Which nucleotide sequences make one "white"?
> 
See *
> (2) Who determined this?
>
See * 
> (3) Who will perform the testing?
> 
This really isn't important.  Lab Technicians will no doubt be suitable,
either that or nurses (to take samples.)

> (4) Who will ensure the accuracy of the testing?
>
Most probably specialists in *
 
> (5) What studies exist to confirm that DNA testing is, in fact,
> capable of determining the "whiteness" of an individual?
> 
See *

* Please do some research (for a change) into the area of human genetics
on migration (forget it's official name.)  They specialize in this field,
so, no doubt you could learn something.  

Cailean.


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> : Only a mediocre effort this time Chuck?  This still has a long way to go
> : to beat "Commique from Zog."  Even your "Secret sex lives of Nazis" was
> : much better than this.
> 
>     You quoted the ENTIRE message to add this?
> 
>     Are you STUPID?!
> 
> Mike "Uh-huh . . ." Beebe

If you're trying to be insulting, could you try a bit harder?  This is
quite pathetic, but then so are most of your posts, so I shouldn't
complain.

Cailean.

P.S Are you black or just a below average white?


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Hopefully the liberals that like to triumph this question have the courage
to admit their mistake.

The American Indian question:  From the Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990, vol.
18, pp 851, The Races of Mankind, The American Indian geographic race.

"Though some groups developed high civilization and then disappeared *,
there also has been considerable continuity in many areas with living
populations closely resembling those recovered from ancient burials.  Many
American Indian groups were eliminated as a result of disease, colonial
expansion, and forced relocation: but others have come to exceed their
pre-Columbian numbers with varying degrees of admixture from Europe and
Africa"

* I'd like to expand this point at some future date, if I get time.

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : > :>Northern Europe was White up until about the early 20th century, when a
> : > :>truly astounding guilt-complex kicked in and made them (the Europeans)
> : > :>import massive numbers of wogs from the non-White former colonies.
> : > 
> : Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) writes:
> : > Total and absolute historically inaccurate rubbish.  Your lack of
learning is 
> : > astounding.
> 
> : I see.  So, how am I wrong?  Are there not more darkies now in Northern
> : Europe than there ever were?  Has not immigration of darkies into NE been
> : massively upped since WWII?  I'm dying of curiousity to know how Northern
> : Europe has always been a nig-nog heaven.
> 
> As the man said -- your lack of learning is astounding.
> 
>  - Bearcat

Or perhaps it is yours, please state your reasons why there were dark
races in Northern Europe before the 20th Century.  Queen Elizabeth I (not
II) for example, expelled all the negroes and moors out of the country in
her reign.  Therefore we must see some counter evidence from either Gord
McFee or you, bearcat to support such allegations.  So far, you are
lacking.

Cailean.

-- 
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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> >>   So, Colon, wanna talk about the `white' Aztec royal line?  That's right, 
> >> keep on running...
> >> 
> >>    JeFf hAN
> 
> >It's good to see some things are still consistent.  Jeff Han, is still the
> >best example of a sore loser.  Whats the matter Jeff, that pyschiatrist of
> >yours not doing his job well enough?
> 
>   I think that YOUR shrink isn't doing his job- he should increase your daily
> dosage of Thorazine, clown-boy...
> 
Lets see Jeff, I don't have a shrink, I've also never needed one.  Unlike
you that brought the topic up, therefore you must have had experience with
one.  I also have no experience with thorazine, I presume its taken with a
needle (maybe you can clarify.)   So where you get your ideas, must come
>from  yourself.  I didn't give them to you.   Obviously you had to be
influenced somewhere, being most likely that the most influential person
in your life is yourself, therefore it was easy to make the assumption
that you see both a pschiatrist and take thorazine.

> >How many times do you have to lose before you give up Jeff?  Is it worth
> >my while even arguing someone of your low calibre?  I mean I love arguing,
> >and at times even a little bit sadistically, but your masochistic attitude
> >towards losing takes the joy out of it.  I mean, that argument which you
> >lost badly goes to show how little research you put in.  All I used was
> >the Encyclopedia Brittanica, not even specialised or controversial books. 
> >You illustrated perfectly the liberal argument ability.  I continually
> >provided proof, all you said was idiot.  Which sums up your ability to
> >reason and contribute (you can't.)  I was prepared to go a lot further
> >with you on the subject, except you terminated it.  Therefore, you now
> >have to come up with the reasons why I should bother with such a loser
> >like yourself.  Your ineffectual comments on calling me coward sum up your
> >ability here.  It wasn't me that ran Jeff, you did.  You disappeared for
> >months, if you think you have recovered some of your posture, you are
> >wrong.  You continually show your sore loser potential therefore you have
> >lost even more standing.  Even Mike Beebe is a better arguer than you are.
> 
>   If you are so confident, Colon, then what's with the hot air (re: more of 
> your customary anal gaseous expulsion) above?  Why are you so defensive?  
> HINT: maybe because you know you were WRONG to begin with.  If you are so 
> confident, Colon, then you CERTAINLY wouldn't mind sharing more of your
insightsabout the `white' Aztec royal line with myself and the rest of the
denizens of
> this NG, would you?  If you really want this display of your credulous idiocy
> to end, you should go and crawl back under your rock...

Back to you old tactics again Jeff?  You know the word idiocy, like a dog
going back to its vomit I take it?

Basically loser, you have to come up with the goodies.  Why don't you
start a thread trying to prove me wrong or are you afraid of losing
again?  Cowards always try to blame the fault on somebody else, ie., I'm
running away, being defensive and so forth.

Cailean.


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> : The problem is that we forget why the liberals are here in the first
> : place.  They view us as a threat because they think we might be right.
> 
> (I'm assuming that by "liberal", you include ALL of us non-white power
> people, including libertarian mud-people like me).
> 
Not necessarily.  Non-white doesn't always mean liberal, most non-whites
don't even form an opinion either way.

> We view you as a threat because of your potential to do harm.
> 
Exactly, we threaten your lazy and ignorant lifestyle.

> : This is obvious because of their style and quantity of posts.  When was
> : the last time a liberal showed any research connected with their posts? 
> 
> Hmmm, I remember a discussion on the cause of the desertification
> of the American SouthWest.  You implied that the Indians caused
> it by overtaxing the land.  I offered a counter argument based on
> current atmospheric theories (Hadley Cels (sp?) and the "rain shadow"
> effect.)  I still haven't heard from you.  (If you missed it, I'd be
> glad to re-post it).
>
Could you please repost it say Monday (Sunday) ?  I'm likely to miss it
again, otherwise :)
 
> : Take for example their responses on this thread, all of them without
> : exception are not thought out.
> : They provide weak arguments at best, with
> : the hope that if they can bore enough readers then they will succeed with
> : the "lurkers."
> 
> Analyse Les Griswald's posts.  You may be describing him.
>
Les keeps his posts typically short.  Therefore, if his content *was*
boring, it is too brief to make it so.  Les does not bother himself with
trivial questions, therefore weak arguments cannot be applied either. 
Even some of my posts have not been thoroughly thought out, which I
imagine Les occasionally suffers as well, its more the fact that liberals
are constant in the above.  Occasionally I emailed Les over particular
areas (which I missed, but liberals are harpening over), and typically you
liberals have taken completely out of context.  The most obvious one being
the blond, blue eyed Hitler.  So your accusation is again false.  Having
analysed Les Griswald's posts I find you are in error.  Which is yet
another example of a non-thought-out response, not to mention a weak
argument by a liberal.
 
> : They realize that we might be right, and therefore are
> : trying to stop these ideas from spreading.  If we were no threat then why
> : do they bother replying?  They could afford to ignore us, yet they can't.
> 
> Again, not fear of ideas, but fear of harm (both to us and to
> our country).
>
You mean your lifestyle, the country will be better off.  You see, we see
the white nations crumbling, some faster than others,  the liberal
policies aren't working, they're ruining the nations.
 
> : If our message gets out to the masses then their ideals on life will be
> : shattered.  Fortunately for us they have people like Jeff Han, Mike Beebe,
> : Jeanne Kowalewski and so forth who couldn't formulate a decent argument if
> : they tried.  They haven't produced one decent argument to date, therefore
> : they are never going too.
> 
> This applies to Les.
>
It does? I thought it replied to (a short list) Jeanne, Mike Beebe, Jeff
Han, Jeffrey Brown, lzaird, Derek Bell and bearcat.
 
> : So take comfort that the liberals by posting in large numbers are really
> : showing signs of desperation.  It seems everytime we get a new white power
> : poster we get at least three more new liberals posting.  The liberals are
> : desperate, no doubt they'll try to justify their position, or respond
> : without properly preparing an counterargument.  You see, the liberals are
> : frightened, here we are posting that their precepts on life are wrong and
> : they are afraid, they literally don't know how to behave or succeed in the
> : future that is coming.
> 
> No, some of us are just amused.
> 
> : Instead of getting on with life and preparing for
> : it, they are trying to slow it down.  It should be obvious to them that
> : society is getting more polarised, that the right wing movement is gaining
> : momentum, but instead of facing reality (which so far the've been
> : sheltered from) they want their favoured lifestyle to continue.  They are
> : stricken with fear.  They wish to remain ignorant on life.
> 
> I disagree.  Some of us are looking for knowledge.
> 
You've fooled a lot of people if you claim to be one of them.

> That's why some of us ask questions like "if you are going to have
> an all white nation, what are the criteria for determining who's
> white?"
> 
> This is an important question to some of the good white lurkers out
> there.  Will they be let in if there is suspicion of race mixing
> in thier ancestry (eg Southern Whites)?  Will mediteranian whites
> (portugese, spanish, italian, etc.) be let in?  Eastern European
> whites (slavic, etc.)? 
> 
Only if they pass a suitable DNA test.  Also, those people that are in
interacial mixed "marriages" will be refused as well, no matter their
purity. 
Also I will refusing admission to known liberals, homosexuals and the
wanton criminal element (murderers, rapists and so forth.)  These are my
policies, so don't take them as gospel for the entire white power
population.  Also they are incomplete, which is on purpose.

Cailean.


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> >...When was
> >the last time a liberal showed any research connected with their posts? 
> >Take for example their responses on this thread, all of them without
> >exception are not thought out.  
> 
> Take for example your assertion that a 1950s (or was it 1930's?)
> "Webster's Dictionary" gave "Jew" as a definition of "parasite". How
> much "research" went into that gem?
> 
Before I answer your question Jeffrey, could we have an example of your
research, so far I witnessed from your department a big fat ZERO.

Cailean.


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>                           THE SYMBOL OF THE SUN
>
>Many have been led to believ the Swatika is a "nazi" symbol, yet a casual
>examination of recent history show the use of the HAKENKRUZ in ancient Troy,
>China and Egypt.
>
It is also found in ancient Mayan ruins.  It can also be viewed in
Churches pertaining at least to the Georgian era.  It was also an ancient
form of the cross, as was used until WWII as a christian symbol.  It was
most common in Phoenicia.  According to L.A Waddell, the circle 0 was the
original form, to which the swastika was added in terms for direction. 
The clockwise representing regeneration (or life after death) the counter
clockwise representing the continual cycles.  To which may be concluded
that the symbol of infinity is derived (two circles, one clockwise the
other counterclockwise.) It also represented the Sun and was believed to
be the origin of the concept of the one god worship (Bel.)  To whom the
Phoenicians as a general rule worshipped.  Wherever they went they carried
the swastika with them.  The cross form of the swastika was part of the
worship of Tammuz, a Babylonian God, which was used also by the
Phoenicians (though in accordance to Bel, not Tammuz.)  The Arya of India
also used the Swastika (as well as the Union Jack), and could explain why
the Swastika appears in China, either that or it was introduced when a
Nordic people ruled China, for example, the Wusun (sometimes spelt
Woo-sun) dynasty.

L.A Waddell does a better job explaining the above so I suggest anybody
interested read the book: Phoenician Origins of the Britons, Scots and
Anglo Saxons.  

Cailean.

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   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : I'm not debating whether evolution is right or wrong, but those who are
> : ignorant make all sorts of opinions that aren't there.  Religion means to
> : bind.  Gods don't have to be divine, 
> 
> "Divine [ME devine, divine - Ofr. devin, fem. -ine, later (by assim. to
> L. sp.) divin - L. divinus, f. divus godlike, god, rel.to deus, god]
> A. 1. Of or pertaining to God or a god......."
> 
> The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (1982) Vol. I, p. 586
> 
> The person who prompts the author of the articles from
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz would do the readers a great
> service indeed if he/she/it used the English language
> consistently and correctly, instead of just stringing together
> a number of words found in English dictionaries.
> 
> d.A.

Have or been taking lessons in pedantics or something?  I must
congragulate you, you have been my first real test in patience for the
last year.  It is extremely difficult not to reply in an equally pathetic
statement.  So Lawyer wannabe, here are some dictionary quotations that
make your reply rather hollow:

Collins  English Dictionary 3rd Edition.
God.
3. any person or thing to which excessive attention is given.
4. man who has qualities regarded as making him superior.

Divine
4. of supreme excellence or worth.

Also if you had bothered to think about what you were going to write, you
could have given thought to the terms: godfather, godmother and godchild. 
Which your reasoning you would make these people all divine.

The term I was applying it, though it beats me how you missed it (hence
calling you pedantic), was to a law system that governs society.  

Please come back when you can rub two sticks together.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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> : I'm not debating whether evolution is right or wrong, but those who are
> : ignorant make all sorts of opinions that aren't there.  Religion means to
> : bind.  Gods don't have to be divine, 
> 
> "Divine [ME devine, divine - Ofr. devin, fem. -ine, later (by assim. to
> L. sp.) divin - L. divinus, f. divus godlike, god, rel.to deus, god]
> A. 1. Of or pertaining to God or a god......."
> 
> The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (1982) Vol. I, p. 586
> 
> The person who prompts the author of the articles from
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz would do the readers a great
> service indeed if he/she/it used the English language
> consistently and correctly, instead of just stringing together
> a number of words found in English dictionaries.
> 
> d.A.

Have or been taking lessons in pedantics or something?  I must
congragulate you, you have been my first real test in patience for the
last year.  It is extremely difficult not to reply in an equally pathetic
statement.  So Lawyer wannabe, here are some dictionary quotations that
make your reply rather hollow:

Collins  English Dictionary 3rd Edition.
God.
3. any person or thing to which excessive attention is given.
4. man who has qualities regarded as making him superior.

Divine
4. of supreme excellence or worth.

Also if you had bothered to think about what you were going to write, you
could have given thought to the terms: godfather, godmother and godchild. 
Which your reasoning you would make these people all divine.

The term I was applying it, though it beats me how you missed it (hence
calling you pedantic), was to a law system that governs society.  

Please come back when you can rub two sticks together.

Cailean.

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Subject: Re: Quotes from old, concerning arms.
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> : No doubt these are old hat to most Americans, but it doesn't hurt to
> : repeat them every so often.
> 
> [200-odd-year-old quotes follow, without any historical context, for the 
> Founding-"Fathers"-worshippers.]
> 
Have you ever looked at a book of quotes or are you just fond of rambling?

> Hey, you forgot one:
> 
> "Hey, what year is it? 1779? Thanks."
> 
> --              Thomas Jefferson
> 
> What? That one's no longer relevant to contemporary life? Go figure!
> 
So this is an amazing counter example?  You'll have to do better than that
old-fruit.  I also don't worship the founding fathers of America either. 
It should be reasonably obvious why.  

Cailean.

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Subject: Re: WHITE MEN ARE JEALOUS OF BLACK MEN..
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> : How was this proved (penis size)?  Was there an official size measurement
> : survey done?  The Polynesian are well known for sodomy (for example, Rengt
> : Danielsson "Love in the South Seas.")  I could be wrong (since I have no
> : experience here nor want too) but doesn't sodomy require a smaller penis? 
> : The vagina is well known to expand or contract.  However there is no
> : equivalent for the rectum.  Therefore one would assume that the dark races
> : (being more involved with sodomy) would have smaller penises.
> 
> Assuming Polynesians are involved with sodomy (a big assumption at that),
> how do you conclude that "the dark races" are involved with sodomy?
> Are all dark races Polynesian?
> 
Polynesians are an easy example of being highly involved with sodomy, as
there has been reasonable amount of work done into them.  Especially from
liberal circles, as they try and give millions of taxpayers money to them
for special causes through emotional justification, for example, they want
the government to spend more on the polynesians to try and stop incest so
prevalent in their culture.

> : Which would
> : make it easier for sodomy to be enacted.  The polynesian are also known to
> : rape and sodomise women.  Therefore one would assume the involuntary act
> : on the women's behalf would refuse to accommadate a large penis.    
> 
> Again, assuming that "the polynesians rape and sodomise women" only implies
> that the "most successful" sodimisers and rapists would have smaller
> penises.  It wouldn't extend to the population at large (the successful
> "breeders").
>
Considering that rape is part of their culture, you are left "pissing in
the wind."  As noted before, incest is part of their culture as well.  It
is known (thanks mainly to liberals) that a 12 year old polynesian girl is
unlikely to be a virgin.  Either raped by her father, one of her brothers
or an Uncle.  Sodomy is also well known among them.  Also transvestites
(fa'fa fine (Samoan)) are common and fully accepted in polynesian
cultures.
 
> : Basically, no research has been done (just propaganda) and the negroes are
> : more heavily involved with both entrances, so the obvious conclusion is
> : that they have small penises.
> 
> Again, you haven't shown that "Negros" = "Polynesians", and you haven't
> shown that Polynesians have smaller penises.
> 
Polynesians like to get on the bandwagon that says "Black men have larger
penises than white men."  Therefore, I am justified from their own
conclusions that black men have equally sized penises as polynesian men. 
Polynesians also have a strong negro ancestry.  How would I show that
Polynesians have small penises?  What level of investigation must be
undertaken before Grego believes that black men have smaller penises than
white men?

> : I'm not really interested in this argument,
> : but every so often someone tries to extend their intelligence and
> : formulate this argument.  While I admire someone that tries to go forward
> : in their thinking, rather than continuing in their low state, could you
> : please try a bit harder?
> 
> I've no proof that "Blacks" have larger penises.
> Your proof that they didn't wasn't much of a proof.
> Let's leave it at "we don't know".
> 
Fair enough, so long as your compatriots also follow the same creed. 
Apart from the logic connected with sodomy, there isn't any proof to prove
either way.  Its even feasible that black women have larger arseholes than
white women, though this is weak since interacial copulation takes place. 
It defies me to reason why some man would want to shove their penis into
shit anyway.  Perhaps the reason is that their life is crap anyway and
they have nothing to lose by it?  ie., no self respect.

Cailean.

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Subject: Lords of the Soil (foreword)
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Foreword by Rex Gilroy,
   It is with great pleasure that I write the Foreword to K. Bolton's
fascinating booklet.  When I first read the rough draft it was like a
fresh breeze sweeping away the musty pages of the established
'traditional' history of the Pacific region, and of New Zealand in
particular.

   In these times when the White race is being assailed from all sides by
its enemies jealous of its achievements, and who are seeking to destroy
our race and its unique civilization through 'multi-culturalism' and White
'self-hatred' propaganda, Mr Bolton's booklet is a godsend.

   His vast knowledge is evident in the overwhelming amount of evidence he
has amassed in this work.  It leaves no doubt that far from feeling
'guilty' or 'racist' for having colonized and civilized New Zealand,
Australia (or anywhere else in the Pacific region for that matter), White
people should show new pride in their achievements.

   From my own lifetime's researches throughout Australia, I have
uncovered evidence demostrating that the Australian Aborigines were not
the first stone-age race to occupy Australia, and that ancient Indo-Aryan
peoples preceded the later European explorers to these shores.

   There can be no doubt that the ancient Indo-Aryan civilizations all
possessed large wooden ships and the means to navigate them across vast
distances of ocean thousands of years before the European explorers
're-discovered' this region.

   As the first researcher to discover the famous 'Gympie Pyramid' in
southern Queensland, among other Egyptian and Phoenician relics found in
Australia, I have no doubts that these ancient Aryan peoples sailed our
waters.

   Having examined a number of Norse-type rock inscriptions in northern
Australia, I am certain that Viking explorers via their Chinese trading
expeditions, sailed further south into Malayan waters, thence on to
northern Australia and into west Pacific.  This is evidenced by a Viking
bronze helmet dug up in New Guinea in 1972, and also by certain other
non-Melanesian cultural items, including 'longship'-type war canoes and
Norse-type religious beliefs still found among Melanesian and Polynesian
groups all the way down to the Solomon Islands and New Guinea.

   I hope that this booklet becomes the possession of every thinking White
person in New Zealand, concerned with the preservation of our unique
racial/cultural heritage.


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Subject: Lords of the Soil (part 2)
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               Polynesia's White Gods

   The white tangata whenua, referred to in Maori mythology as Turehu and
Patupaiarehe, were diefied throughout Polynesia as gods, demi-gods and
culture-heroes, and left their mark on the legends, religions, cultures
and ethnology of Polynesia.

WHITE ANCESTORS
   Prof. J. MacMillan Brown writes in Peoples & Problems of the Pacific
that in 1918, when Allied soldiers were being welcomedd back from the
front, in Rarotanga an ancient dance was revived in their honour.  The
performers whitewashed themselves in order, they said, to make themselves
look more like their ancestors.  In this island and in the Cook group
there is a tradition that the ancestors came from a land wheres the trees
were half the year without leaves and the people could walk on water
(ice.)  Brown believed that such traditions pointed to a prehistoric
migration into Polynesia from North-west Europe.
   NORSE MIGRATIONS INTO POLYNESIA? Right, a typical Oceanic bailer from
the Tokelau Islands, the same design as those of the Scandinavian
bailers.  J. Hornell, writing in the Quarterly Journal of the Society for
Nautical Research, Oct 1935, suggests that Norse Culture found its way
into Polynesia from Scandanavia "by way of the sea & coast lands along the
Arctic shores of Siberia, or that of the river systems of Central Asia." 
Rex Gilroy, the Australian researcher and Museum director, writes of
various Viking artifacts being found in Oceania, such as Rune Stones in
Arhhem Land, a bronze helmet at Port Moresby, a Viking broadsword from
Fiji. (Gilroy, personal correspondence.)
TANGAROA
   Tangaroa was the greatest of the Polynesian gods in much of Polynesia. 
He is the Creator in the Society, Samoan and Tongan groups.  In Samoan,
Tongan and NZ mythology he's an oceanic god.  He has a relationship with
the cold north, writes Brown.
   In Mangaia he is represented as a fair-haired god, and all his children
are fair-haired.  When Capt. Cook and his men arrived they were thought to
be the long-lost fair children of Tangaroa.  Golden-haired children at
Mangaia are called the "fair haired progeny of Tangaroa."  Tangaroa was
himself sandy-haired and had been driven from the island to live in
distant lands with his fair children.  An ancient custom was to sacrifice
golden-haired children to Tangaroa. (Brown, Peoples & Problems of the
Pacific.)
   In Tonga, Tangaroa (Tangaloa) is the controller of migrations and
patron of the fair-skinned and virtuous. (Brown.)
   The Moon Maidens are connected with Tangaroa, and with childbirth and
women generally.  Elsdon Best states in The Whare Kohanga & Its Lore that
"like the offspring of Tangaroa, they are represented as being fair
haired."
HIRO
   Opea, on the south-eastern side of Raiatea was the site of the most
sacred marae, the spiritual home of the most powerful chiefs, and the
centre of the worship of the god Ore, of the Society Islands.
   That light-skinned migrants had settled at Opea, established a chiefly
dynasty, and introduced new methods of navigation and a new religion, is
apparent from the ethnology and mythology of the island.  They settled,
according to tradition, under the leadership of Hiro.
   According to William Ellis, missionary to the Society Islands, the
physical profile of the islanders had "a most striking resemblence to that
of the European."  Most of the ruling family of Raiatea were "no darker
than the inhabitants of some parts of Europe."
   The white migrants spread throughout Raiatea, and bordering Tahea,
Huahine, and Berabora.  Hiro and some of his followers left Raiatea to
travel to Raratonga, where he established a new dynasty.  Later Opea
colonists established themselves at Taiarapu, Tahiti.
   Hiro, according to legend went on to NZ, where he is considered the
folk father of the Nth Island (unreadable) Ngapuhi (among whom there were
many "urukehu" or red-headed Maoris), Ngatihau, Ngatiereu, and Whanganui
tribes.
   Edmund de Bevis, French Naval Officer, describes Hiro as the first King
of the Society Islands, who founded the Taputapuatea marae at Opea,
dedicated to the god Oro. (de Bevis, Etat de la Societe Tahitienne, 1855.)
   The Oro cult spread to Tahiti and Meorea.  A great national marae was
established at Taiarapu, called Taputapuatea, after the parent temple at
Opea. Gradually new Oro maraeas were established all over Tahiti, and
eventually Meorea, following a marriage between a high chief and a
princess from Opea (T. Henry, Ancient Tahiti 1928.)
   Robert Langden, executive officer of the Pacific Manuscripts Bureau,
Australian National University, writes, "It will... be noted that the
places in Tahiti that were especially associated with the Oro cult were
also the places where the early explorers most frequently saw islanders
with light skins, red hair, and sometimes blue eyes... As the Raiateans
were invariably said to be fairer than the generality of the Tahitians,
enclaves of blondism must have been created wherever they established new
Oro colonies.  It was therefore in the nature of things that the early
European visiters to Taiarapu...should have repeatedly remarked on the
light features of the people of that area, for it is there that the Oro
cult had been longest established.  Light-featured people were also
conspicuous in the vicinity of Paea where the Priests of Oro had
established a marae." (Langdon, The Lost Caravel 1975.)
   F.D Bennett, Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons, visiting Raiatea
in 1834, noted among the higher ranks of the islanders the regularity of
features, thinness of lips and preminence of nose, "nearer to the European
cast." He also noted the occasional appearance of light reddish hair among
the islanders, and some children with a "flaxon hue."  This island was
more isolated than Tahiti, and thus not so open to recent miscegenation
with European seamen, giving a truer picture of ancient ethnological
influences in Polynesia.
   Paul Hugeunin, director of the Protestant Mission schools on Raiatea,
commented, "The families of the arii or great chiefs are of a type
apart...They are lighter than the Tahitans, and their eyes tend to be plae
with bluish lights, as were the royal family of Huahine." (Huguenin,
Raiatea La Sacree 1902.)
   The American ethnologist, E.S.C. Handy, states that Raiatea was a
"centre of the dynasty of seafaring chiefs who spread their domain
throughout the Society Islands and beyond, to the Cook and Austral islands
and the Tuamotus." (Handy, Houses, Boats & Fishing in the Society Islands,
1932.)
   In 1929 the Bishop Museum study of Polynesian islands obtained the
ancient lore of Anaa, according to which Tangihia, founder of the
principal tribe, was the son of a mythological female named Te Kura.  It
is interesting to reflect that Kura is polynesian for "red", and on Anaa
also means "the blond skin of the  white races."  Te Kura came from a
superior mythological world called Paparangi, which is also a term for
"Europeans."  It was Tangihiaa, who, according to legend, was the chief of
the Cook Islands to whom Hiro gave his son for adoption.  Can we conclude
>from  this that Hiro, a white chief, was adopting his son out to another
chief who was - at least - of part white descent through his mother Te
Kura?
KANE & RONO
   Kane is described as a blond god in a Hawaiian prayer to consecrate an
axe to hew timber for new idols: "Oh Kane, the blond one, here is an
offering of prayer to you, a snuff-coloured fowl for you, a fowl of
light-yellow colour, a fowl of red colour.  The image of you, oh Kane, god
of like."
   When Capt. Cook reached Hawaii in 1779 he was accepted as the god Lono
(Rono), because Lono was a white god who had left Hawaii with a promise to
return in the distant future.  Cook was led to a truncated pyramid and
presented to the chief idols.
TANE
   In the Marquesas group there are two distinct ancestor gods, Tane, a
white and blond god, progenator of white foreigners (hao'e), and Atea, a
forefather of the dark-haired, brown islanders. (E.S.C Handy, Polynesian 
Religion.)
   When the Spanish came to Fatu-Hiva in the Marquesas group in 1595 the
chief pilot, Pedro Fernandez, recorded of the islanders that some were of
very fair  complexion, and "ruddy hair."  Some were even described as "not
fair, but white."
   On Raroia Atoll, Tuamotu, anthropologist Dr B. Danielson wrote in Happy
Island (1952) of his astonishment at the "southern European" appearance of
the island's sage Te Iho.  Teka, the island's chief, was described as the
"most European looking of all islanders."
   Gerbault, the famous yachtsman, wrote of his 1926 visit to Raroia that
the girls "had slightly darkened skin and their features were nearly
European in cast."
Ed's notes: A picture is presented of a little girl in front called by her
family Raurukeum a blond haired.  Taken from Brown's Peoples & Problems of
the Pacific.
THE TUREHU AS TEACHERS
   Throughout Polynesia references to white culture heroes passing their
arts and knowledge on to the Polynesians are frequent in island
mythologies.  Many such legends were localized by the Maori on arriving
here, and applied to the Turehu, while others are of NZ origin.  We shall
consider some of these legends.
LEGEND OF MATAROA
ORIGIN OF FISHING NETS
CANOES
Ed's Notes:  If anypne so desires I will post these legends.

End of Part II

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"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
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                  EUROPOID REMNANTS
NEW ZEALAND
   Turning our attention first to our own country, we have previously
recorded the observation of Julien Croset, who sailed with the French
Explorer Marion du Fresne to these shores in 1772, on the Bay of Islands
Maoris amongst whom he found those southern-European complexion and some
with red hair.  The 'whites' were the original inhabitants of NZ, in his
opinion.
   Ernest Dieffenbach, a naturalist, and surgeon with the NZ Company
1839-41, recorded that although the Maori complexion was generally light
brown, it varied greatly, sometimes being "even lighter than that of a
native of southern France."  Some had reddish or auburn hair and were very
light complexioned.
   French explorer J.C.S Dumont d 'Urville, in 1826 saw a youth among the
Bay of Island Maoris who might "easily have passed for a dark-skinned
Provencal or Sicilian."
   J.S Pollock, a trading store owner in the Bay of Islands reported of
the natives that their skin varied from the "olive tinge of the Spanish
peninsula" to a brown or black.  The features of the highest classes were
reminiscent of the European. (Pollock, London 1838.)
   F.O.V Acheson in the foreward to his novel Plume of the Arawas,
remarked on the many blue-eyed urukehu among the Maoris "who were ancient
and almost pure Caucasoid strain."  He had seen "many fair haired but full
blooded Maoris, including many children, with fair skin and blue eyes"
around Lake Taupo and Tangariro region.  Utilising the works of
ethnologists such as Best and James Cowan, and with the help of Arawa
chiefs, Acheson's novel of the Arawas records a conflict with the
Ngati-Hotu, whom, as we have previously seen, were a urukehu tribe,
light-haired and fair-skinned.  It was related to Acheson that the high
priest and navigator of the famous Arawa canoe, Ngatoro-i-rangi was,
according to legend, himself fair-haired and light-skinned and light-eyed.
TAHITI
   George Robertson, Master of the HMS Dolphin, one of the two ships of an
English expedition reaching Tahiti in 1767, wrote of the women that they
were mostly of a light copper colour, but some were "almost, if not
altogether white." These were of the chiefly class.
   Pierre Caro, an officer in a 1768 French expedition recorded his
puzzlement at how "whites" were to found so far from Europe.
   James Cook noted of the Tahitians that the chiefly class was "not
browner than Europeans who are born or reside long in the W.Indies." Some
of the women were "almost as fair as Europeans."
   An anonymous recorder of Cook's voyage said of the Tahitians, "some few
among them appeared almost as white as Europeans, and several had red
hair."
   Father Joseph Amich, with the 1772 Spanish expedition of Domingo
Boenchen, wrote that "a couple of men quite white came on board the
frigate, with blonde hair, reddish beards and eye-brows, and blue eyes." 
The chief of Taiarapu, Ti'i-torea was "very fair and ruddy,
notwithstanding sunburn."
   Capt. Andia of the Jupiter, one of the two ships in a 1774 Spanish
expedition, said of the Tahitians, "there is much variety in their hue and
in their hair...There are a few very fair skinned ones with blue eyes."
   M.Rodrigues, interpreter for the Franciscan mission on Tahiti,
described chief Vehiatua as "very fair skinned, though not of the
blondest." Oviriau, the chief's first cousin was of "very blonde"
complexion, "her hair ruddy and curling, and she had blue eyes."
   Prehistoric Polynesion had a word for blue-eyed (purepure.)  In the
Tuamotuas purepure is still an adjective for a "blond person." (Stimson &
Marshall, A Dictionary of Some Tuamotuan Dialects of Polynesian Languages,
The Hague 1964.)
TUAMOTUA
   From the same source, Stimson & Marshall, we also find that Tuamotua
has words for various shades for skin colour: kokere (black), tukuamotu
(dark brown), vakitau (a white skinned race), angauru (light, olive
skinned.)
   In 1826 Capt. Beechey of the HMS Blossom, remarked of one man at
Vahitahi in the Tuanmotuas that he "was so fair and so like a European
that the boat's crew claimed him as a countrymen."
   Napuka, at the NE corner of the Tuamotuas, was virtually isolated until
1870, when Father Fierens arrived.  The anthropologist, Shapiro, who
visited in 1929, was "especially struck by marked Caucasian strain."
   Gessler, an American Journalist, wrote in The Dangerous Island (London
1937) of the Caucasiod strain accounting for about 10% of the population. 
He recorded that "an unusually blonde little girl," who seemed to be the
daughter of a white man, had a genealogy of native descent going back 35
generations, according to a chief who said, "you will see many blondes
among our people.  It has been so from the beginning."
   Gessler wrote of the "traces of the Caucasion features and
reddish-brown hair that Wallis observed at his discovery of Tahiti, as did
the 16th Century Spaniards in the Marquesas.  Here on one of the most
remote atolls of the Tuamotu, were these hauntingly Caucasion faces, this
red-gold hair, mingled with the high cheek bones that spoke of Asia, the
dark curls of Melansia and the linaments of who knows what vanished race
that may have occupied these islets before the conquerors came."
   In 1924 the Bishop Museum sent a team of scientists to Fangatau, which
had sparse contact with European ships.  The three scientists, linguist
Stimson, ethnologist Emory, and physical anthropologist Shapiro wrote:
"...In Fangatau and Napuka I was especially struck by a marked Caucasiod
strain which I have never found so clearly indicated anywhere else in
Polynesia.  Some of these islanders, of undoubtedly pure descent, are
remarkably European and to my mind solve some of the disturbing questions
with regard to the racial position of the Polynesians and the elements
that go to make up the Polynesian physical complex."
OTHER ISLANDS
   An anonymous chronicler of Roggeveen's 1722 expedition wrote of the
Makateans, "...what is surprising, their skin is as clear and white as
that of a native of Holland."
   The inhabitants of Huahine, 80 miles NW of Tahiti, were described by
Cook as "rather fairer" than Tahitians.  Sydney Parkinson, a botanical
draftsman with the HMS Endeavour, reported the women to be "nearly of the
same colour as Europeans."
   The islanders of Atiu were described by William Anderson, surgeon of
the Resolutionm on Cook's last voyage in 1777, as being of two distinct
types, a "lower class", a small and dark, and a chiefly class, of "much
whiter cast", with "a superior dignity in the air."
   Rapa, an isolated volcanic island 700 miles SSE of Tahiti, was visited
in 1820 by the Russian explorer Bellinghauser.  He describes a youth there
as having "light, reddish hair, blue eyes, a rather aquiline nose, and the
fair skin of northern Europe."  Before Bellinghauser, no European crewsmen
were known to have landed on Rapa.
   J.S Brown, Mermon missionary on the island in 1852 described a Rapan
woman as being "quite fair, with rather light vrown or auburn hair."
(Brown, The Life of a Pioneer, Salt Lake City, 1902.)
   On Reao, not discovered until 1822, Capt. Beechey reported in 1826, "a
great diversity of complexion." "In one of the canoes there was a man
nearly as dark as an Afican Negro, with woolly hair tied in a knot, and
another with a light complexion, sandy hair and European features."
   These accounts of early scientists and European explorers in Polynesia
make it plain that the ethnology of Polynesia is not as uniform as most of
today's Polynesianists would have us believe.  Clearly, the Polynesian is
derived from more than one racial type, and includes a Europoid element,
reflecting early white settlement of Oceania.

Ed's Notes:
Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990, vol 18. pp 851 The Races of Mankind, The
Polynesian geographic race.
"European mariners marveled at the Polynesian's body size and appearance. 
Though they had some Asiatic traits and a distinctively Asiatic
appearance, they also appeared quite European.
   It is possible to think of the Polynesians in terms of multiple origins
-- ie., Asiatic X Melansian X "primitive " white.

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               KON TIKI VIRACOCHA
It is Thor Heyerdahl's view that Eastern Polynesia was first settled by
whites from Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, whose origins in turn derived from the
Mediterrranean culture region.  To add weight to his theory Heyerdahl
proved that a S. American-type balsa-raft and an Egyptian-style reed boat
were capable of making long oceanic voyages without becoming water
logged.  Despite the popularity of Heyerdahl's books on his Ra and Kon
Tiki expeditions few of the general public ssem to grasp the significance
of these expeditions in helping to prove ancient America and Polynesia
were settled by peoples of the white race.  We shall here look at
Heyerdahl's views particularly as they relate to Polynesia, as discussed
in his books Kon Tika, Fatu Hiva, and Early Man & Ocean.
AMERICAN & MEDITERRANEAN CIVILIZATIONS
There are many cultural parallels between the civilizations of ancient
America and the Mediterranean, some of which are discernible in
Polynesia.  When the Spanish conquistadors landed what they found were not
the primitive Stone Age cultures of the Asiatic American Indians, but
great civilizations and empires whose populace studied astronomy, history
and medicine, lived  in planned urban societies  with paved roads,
aqueducts, sewers, market places, sports grounds, schools and palaces. 
These American civilizations constructed stepped pyramids similar to those
of Mesopotamia and the first Egyptian type, to the glory of the sun-god,
and under the command of a priest king who claimed descent from the sun,
just as in Egypt and Mesopotamia.
WHITE CULTURE HEROES OF SOUTH & CENTAL AMERICA
The Indians at first looked upon the conquistadors as gods, the legendary
white and bearded men who had brought their forefathers civilization and
who had left, with a promise to return.  When Pizarro came to Peru his
cousin and chronicler Pedro recorded that some members of the ruling class
were "whiter than Spaniards", and some were blond.  Although the
Amerindian Peruvians had no beards they had a word for beard (sonkhasapa),
and a word for white foreigner (viracocha.)
Ed's notes:  That had to hurt Jeff Han's ego once more.  There is a
picture of a statue (pre-Aztec) in Mexico depicting the race of white
culture heroes which brought civilization to South and Central America.
KON TIKA VIRACOCHA
The viracocha had their centre on the island of L. Titicaca where stand to
this day the ruins of their city.  The viracochas were said to have landed
at the Gulf of Mexico, and included sages, astronomers, architects,
priests and musicians.  They were led by a king, Kon Tika Viracocha, and
had come in a fleet of reed boats.  The virocochas cohabited with Indian
women, and the children became the Inca ruling class, when they drove the
viracochas from the island.  On studying the Indian legends Heyerdahl
wrote:
"Viracocha is an Inca name and consequently of fairly recent date.  The
original name of the sun god Viracocha, which seems to have been mor in
use in Peru in old times, was Kon Tiki or Illa Tiki, which means sun-Tiki
or fire-Tiki.  Kon Tiki was high priest and sun king of the Inca's
legendary 'white men' who had left enormous ruins on the shores of L.
Titicaca.  The legend runs that the mysterious white men with beards were
attacked by a chief named Cari who came from the Coqumbo Valley.  In a
battle on a island in L. Titicaca the fair race was massacred, but Kon
Tiki himself and his closest campanions escaped and later came down to the
Pacific coast, whence they finally disappeared overseas to the westward.
   "I was no longer in doubt that the white chief god Kon Tiki, whom the
Incas declared their forefathers was driven out of Peru on to the Pacific,
was identical with the white chief god Tiki, son of the sun, whom the
inhabitants of all the eastern Pacific islands hailed as the original
founder of their race.  And the details of sun-Tiki's life in Peru, with
the ancient names and places around L. Titicaca, cropped up again in
historic legends current among the natives of the Pacific Islands."
EASTER ISLAND
Easter Island, the closest Polynesian island to Peru, has been described
by Heyerdahl as the ancient "culture centre of the Pacific.  The island's
Polynesian name is "Te-Pito-o-te-Henua", the Navel of the World."  The
legends of the Easter islanders state that their earliest ancestors came
>from  the direction of S. America and had white skins and fair hair.
   Carbon 14 tests show that these whites must have migrated to Easter
Island as early as 380AD, plus or minus 100 years.
   When the Dutch under Roggeveen came to Easter Island in 1722 they
recorded that among the first natives to come aboard ship was "an entirely
white man" of apparent rank, who had greatly extended ear lobes.  The
Dutch recorded that of the Easter Islanders "one finds some among them of
a darker shade, and others quite white, and no less aalso a few of a
reddish tint as if somewhat severly burned by the sun."
   The legends of the islanders relate that the race originally inhabiting
the island was fair complexioned, had come under Tiki "from a mountainous
land in the east parched by the sun", and that they were known as "Long
Ears", as they lengthened their ears by hanging weights on the lobes.  In
Peru also their was a custom of artificial ear extension of extreme
antiquity and social importance.  This ear extension was a privilege of
the royal bloodline, who were called the "great eared people."  In Inca
legend the white gods who haad built their city of Tihuanaco extended
their ears and called themselves Big Ears.
   On Uapou of the Marquesas group the supreme Polynesian god is Tiki,
worshipped under the name "Tiki with the large ears."
   The "white men with flowing beards" who had met the Dutch were said by
the islanders to be the descendants of the women and children of the first
race inhabiting the island, who had been spared to carry on the Long Ear
line after a massacre.
EASTER ISLAND STATUES: PORTRAITS OF THEIR CREATORS
Easter Island is best known for its giant statues, or Moais.  There are
more than 600 megalithic statues and walls on the island.  In the
Marquesas and Tahiti similar statues are given the generic name Tiki. 
Heyerdahl writes:
"They had tje typical physiognomy of the white race with a straight and
narrow nose and thin sharp lips...The sole decoration of the Easter Island
figures is a belt which was always carved around the figure's stomach. 
The same symbolic belt is to be found on every single statue in Kon Tiki's
ancient ruins by L. Titicaca.  It is the legendary emblem of the sun god,
the rainbow belt."
   After 200 years of cooperation between the Long Ears and the Short Ears
in the construction of this megalithic civilization civil war broke out. 
The Long Ears were massacred in a pyre lit in an extensive defensive
trench.  Carbon 14 tests show that the massacre took place in 1676 AD,
which iss in agreement with island traditions placing it at 1680AD.  Some
of the women and children were spared to continue the Long Ear line, and
it was these white/polynesian hybrids, still recognisably Europoid, who
met the Dutch just four decades later.
WHITES AMONGST THE SHORT EARS
The Polynesians apparently reached Easter Island under Hotu Matua, after
its occupation by whites under Tiki, the Long Ears.  However it seems that
this second - Polynesian - migration to Easter Island there was a white
leadership stratum.
   Mrs S. Routledge, the English archeologist, writes in The Mystery of
Easter Island that the Miru clan, descended from Hotu Matua, was the only
group on the island then having a chief.  She writes: "He was short and
very stout, with white skinm as had all his family."
   Routledge, when collecting genealogical lists, noted that the islanders
were ready to give the skin colour of even their most remote relations,
including those who were light skinned, fair haired and blue eyed.
   Robt. Langdon, exec. officer, Pacific Manuscripts Bureau, Australian
National University writes in The Lost Caravel that the nearest descendent
of the last king was named Kaituoe, and in describing a photograph of him
in 1886, notes that he was "so European in appearance that no one, not in
the secret would be likely to identify him as a Pacific Islander."
   Heyerdahl writes:
"In Polynesia, as in Peru, the calender year had been so arranged as to
begin on the particular day of the year when the constellation of the
Pleiades first appeared above the horizon, and in both areas this
constellation was considered the patron of agriculture.  In Peru, there
stands to this day the ruins of an astronomical observatory of great
antiquity, a relic of the same mysterious civilized peopl which carved
stone colossi, erected pyramids, cultivated sweet potatoes and bottle
gourds, and began their year with the rising of the Pleiades. Kon Tiki
knew the satrs when he set upon the Pacific Ocean."

End of Part 4

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Ed's notes has a lot of pictures, so it will not be completely coherent.

               EGYPTIAN EXPLORATION IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC
After the expulsion of the Hyskos from Egypt, Egyptian gold explorations
intensified under the reign of Thutmose I (1525-1512 BC.)  Under Ramses II
(1198-1166 BC) these expeditions became so massive that the Harris Papyrus
describes one as comprising up to 10,000 seamen an merchants.
HAWAIIAN PETROGLYPHS OF EGYPTIAN ORIGIN
That these Egyptian expeditions reached Polynesia is evident from a number
of cultural traits in the region.  In a paper published by the Epigraphie
Society (ESOP Vol. 2 March 1975) R.K Hanner writes of the Egyptian
Influence in Hawaiian Petroglyphs.  Included in her descriptions are those
of a prick eared dog with a spirally coiled tail, characteristic of the
Egyptian hunting dog called 'slughi', not at all like the Polynesian
variety.
   In a follow up paper (ESOP Vol.13 1985) Mrs Hanner quotes British
Egyptologist Dr G. Griffiths as commenting on the Hawaiian petroglyphs as
being "so Egyptian they were done either by Egyptians themselves or by
some tribe to whom they had taught their religion."
   Other pictures include the God Set in his dog form, boats, animals and
religious designs and symbols.
RELIGIOUS INFLUENCES
   As Thor Heyerdahl points out in Early Man & the Ocean, early
Polynesianists such as Elsdon Best detected similarities between the
Polynesian, Egyptian nad other religions from the Mediterranean culture
region.  Heyerdahl writes: "For example the sun and the sun god were known
and worshipped as Ra in ancient Egypt, while Ra was the name of the sun on
all hundreds of islands of Polynesia."
   Another religio-cultural parallel is that of mummification.  Prof G.E
Smith, whilst on the staff of the Cairo Medical School, studied
mumification, and saw its distribution across the world as evidence of
far-reaching Egyptian influence.  He also writes (Journal of the
Polynesian Society, Vol. 26) that the custom of preserving the head of
friends nad foes practised by the Maori and others in Oceania "was derived
>from  the Egyptian practice of mummification, and was spread abroad along
with the latter.  Even in Egypt itself special importance was attached to
the head."
CHIN TATTOOING
In more recent years the similarity of practice between Egyptian/Libyan
and Maori Chin tattooing has been commented on by the New Zealand born
former Harvard Professor and chairman of the Epigraphic Society, Dr Barry
Fell, and by the NZ artist Kristin Zambucka.  Miss Zambucka, as quoted in
an article in the Auckland Herald (1 March 1975) states, "The Egyptians
were very interested in my work with Maori faces and in the discoveries I
had made of strong facial resemblences between Maori elders and some of
their old people.  They were fascinated in the strong similarities between
the faces of Maori women with their mokos and their own Bedouin women who
also have chin tattooes."
Ed's Notes, a picture taken from Vol.13 Journal of the Polynesian Society
shows three chin tattooed Egyptian and Libyan women (all married) and that
of a Maori women.
EGYPTIAN COIN IN BAY OF ISLANDS
   One remarkable discovery of relevance to our subject was the 2000 year
old Egyptian coin found over 30 years ago in the Bay of Islands.  The coin
is believed to be a Ptolemy 6th bronze coin, in circulation between 181
and 145 BC, and is apparently almost identical to another coin dated
between 221 and 204 BC found in Auckland. (Ref. Coin Could Prove Vital
Historic Link, Evening Post 13 June 1983.)

Ed's Notes: I have this article if someone wants me to post its entire
reference.

End part 5

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      The White Tangata Whenua

As every New Zealander knows, tangata whenua means "people of the land",
in Maori.  This, we are constantly reminded, means that the Maoris were
the custodians of "Aotearoa", before being conned and forced into giving
up their sacred heritage to British colonialism.  However, although we are
force-fed a daily diet of Maori culture, there is one aspect of that
culture we are never told of.  This refers to the legends of the Turehu
and the Patupaiarehe, the real tangata whenua, who were in NZ when the
Maoris arrived.  Apparently the reason why we are never told of these
Maori legends is because they would destroy the Maori claim to the title
tangata whenua.  The Turehu and Patupaiarehe were, you see, according to
the Maori's own legends, white skinned and golden-haired.
   There is a considerable amount of historical evidence to back up these
legends throughout Polynesia.  Of NZ, Lt. Crozet in his Voyage to Tasmania
& NZ, writes of the Bay of Islands Maoris:

   "It is most certain that the whites are the aborigines.  Their colour
is,        generally speaking, like that of the people of southern Europe,
and I saw  several who had red hair.  There were some who were as white as
our sailors, and    we often saw on our ship a tall young man who by his
colour and features might   have easily passed for a European."

TUREHU
   Of these "white aborigines" Maoris mythology has much to relate. 
Elsdom Best the famous authority on the Maori, records the following in
his Maori Religion:

   "The Maori regales us with several tales that are supposed to
illustrate a period when the Maori people were living here on sufferance,
as it were, under the mana of the Turehu or Patupaiarehe, the true lords
of the soil.  Many different names are employed to denote this forest
folk, or faeries as our writers often term them, though the Maori concept
is not that of a diminutive fey or elf-like folk, but rather that of a
people of ordinary stature and appearance, save that they are said to have
been fair-skinned and fair-haired."

PATUPAIAREHE
   Writing in The Journal of the Polynesian Society. Vol. 30, James Cowan
states:

   "Patupaiarehe is the name applied by the Maori to the mysterious
forest-dwelling race.  An atmosphere of mysticism surrounds Maori
references to these elusive tribes of the mountains and the bush...The
Patupaiarehe were for the most part of much lighter complexion than the
Maori; their hair was of the dull golden or reddish hue, 'uru-kehu', such
as is sometimes seen among the Maoris of today...This class of folk-tales
no doubt originated in part in the actual existence of numerous tribes of
aborigines.  This immeasurably ancient light-haired people left a strain
of uru-kehu in most ancient tribes."

Cowan writes that the partly wooded Mt. Ngongotaha, rising above the south
west shore of Lake Rotorua, was the principal settlement of the
Patupaiarehe in Rotorua country.  Cowan's old Maori informant related to
him that the Patupaiarehe tribe was named Ngati-Rua.  They were numerous.

   "The complexion of most of them was kiri puwhero (reddish skin), and
their hair had the reddish or golden tinge we call uru-kehu.  Some had
black eyes, some blue like Europeans.  Some of their women were very
beautiful, very fair of complexion, with shining fair hair..."

   A Maori couple stated to Cowan that the Maoris many generations ago set
fire to the fern and forest on the slopes of the mountain, causing much
anguish to the Patupaiarehe tribe, and most of them departed northward.

BATTLE OF THE FIVE FORTS
   An interesting account of a battle between the Maori and the
Patupaiarehe is given in Kakahi, by the famous NZ artist Peter McIntyre. 
The history of the battle was given to him by the Takiwa family, directly
descended from one of the three Maori chiefs who fought in the battle. 
The original people living in Karahi were the Ngata-Hotu, a tribe of the
tangata whenua, who had been discovered by the Arawas living around Taupo
and RotoAira.  These Ngati-Hotu were defeated at the battle of
Puke-Ka-Kiore Mountain and killed or scattered.  Some of the remnants had
gathered near what is now Kakahi.  Safe from attack for sometime they
increased in number.
   The Whanganui Maoris, exploring the river, found the Ngati-Hotu living
where the Whakapapa and Wanganui river join.  The Ngati-Hotu were in such
numbers that the two chiefs with the exploring party sent back for
reinforcements.  A third chief arrived with a war party.  The Ngati-Hotu
had set up a ring of five forts around Kakahi.  The forts were attacked
and taken one by one.  The final battle was fought out on the flats
between Kakahi and the river.  The limbs of the slaughtered Ngati-Hotu
were hung on poles, hence the name of the stream of Kakahi, Whataraparapa,
'the hanging (of the legs) in a line', a final insult to the Ngati-Hotu. 
A few managed to flee into the Patea country and vanish.  This battle was
fought around 1450.  On a hill near Kakahi a great heap of stones stand,
which some local Maoris believe to be the remains of the hangi (Ed notes:
an oven in the soil) where some of the Ngati-Hotu were cooked.
   The Ngati-Hotu are described as a pre-Maori people.  "Maori tradition
says that they were fair-skinned, with reddish golden hair.  In describing
them the graet Maori chief Te Heu Heu Tukino used the words kiriwhero,
meaning reddish skin, and urukehu, meaning reddish-golden hair."

URUKEHU
   Dr Peter Buck, the famous Maori anthropologist, stated that the
designation urukehu was used where fair skin and reddish hair existed
among Maori, said to be the result of mixture between Maori and
Patupaiarehe.
   Prof. J. MacMillan Brown, a prominent early NZ ethnologist and
educator, wrote in his Maori & Polynesian: "There are even cases of a
cross with a blonde Caucasian race amongst the Maoris...In the King
Country there are many of these rufous people..." Brown reproduces in his
Peoples & Problems of the Pacific a painting from Angas' New Zealanders,
entitled "Children near the boiling springs near Taupo Lake."  Angas
wrote: "In the very heart of the interior, light or golden coloured hair
may occasionally be observed...the boy whose portrait is given in the
centre figure...is the son of one of the chiefs of Tukanu, a settlement
near the boiling springs of Taupo Lake, where no intermixture with
Europeans could have taken place."
   
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                  LIBYAN COLONIZATION
CAVE INSCRIPTIONS FROM NEW GUINEA
Inscriptions found in the South Pacific show that Libyans were a major
influence in exploring and colonizing Polynesia.  On the basis of
reference to women and children being aboard the Egypto-Libyan ships, as
reported in New Guinea Libyan inscriptions, it can be concluded that the
primary aim of the expeditions was the settlement of Polynesia.
   Inscriptions found in New Guinea in Libyan script include star maps,
navigation charts and mathematical calculations.  These inscriptions from
New Guinea appear to be the work of a Libyan navigator who signed himself
M-W.  Prof. Barry Fell, formerly Harvard, president of the Epigraphic
Society writes in his book Saga America:
   "The word mawi in Egyptian means guide or navigator, but it also sounds
very much like the Polynesian name Maui...When I recorded the Libyan
inscriptions from New Guinea I made the inference that the M-W of the cave
texts was indeed the same as the Maui of Polynesian Legend, and so I began
to investigate the ancient Libyan language in order to find out if the
Polynesian language is related to Libyan.  It soon became apparent that
this is the case..."
Fell continues:
   "The New Guinea inscriptions led me to infer that Maui had entered the
Pacific Ocean from the Northern Indian Ocean, and had crossed the Pacific
in this direction of the Americas, apparently discovering parts of
Polynesia en route.  The date of the voyage appeared to be the 15th year
of Ptolemy III of Egypt, as an ecilpse of the sun visible in New Guinea in
Nov. 232 BC seemed to be the same as one recorded by Maui as occuring in
the 'fifteenth year of Pharoah's reign'..."
   Fell subsequently translated Libyan maps found in America, mapping
parts of Polynesia and attributed to the voyages of Maui, or M-W.  These
charts are dated 650AD, and had been copied and recopied for centuries in
the navigational schools which had been established by Libyan colonists in
America.
LIBYAN INSCRIPTIONS IN POLYNESIA
  Libyan inscriptiions have been found all over the South Pacific,
including New Guinea, Fiji, Tuamotu, Pitcairn, and New Zealand.

Ed's notes: A picture of one appears in NZ & Its Inhabitants by Rev R.
Taylor (1870.)  It's translation is "Our crew wrecked in a storm, made
land, thank god! We are people from the Manu region.  We worship Ra in
accordance with the scripture: We behold the sun and give voice."  The
inscription  was on the site of a cliff-top stone temple on Pitcairn 
island.

Libyan inscriptions have been recorded at Dakumba, Fiji, dated at 250 BC
on the basis of the letter style.  Translated by Prof. Fell, they read:
"Colonists worn out by attacks of the Nubians, withdrawn south to Tonga,
to Settlement Bay.  Follow us therefore without delay.  Seed corn rotted
in the bins.  Provisions exhausted.  Dependent on just our fish catch and
wild herbs. By orders of the commander."
   The reference to 'Nubians' is the Egypto-Libyan designation for the
Melanesian Fijians, rendered in the inscription as ni-sa, in ancient
Egyptian nhsy=Nubian.
LIBYAN SCRIPTS RECORDED IN NZ
A marama-taka (fishing calender) was obtained by Elsdon Best in 1918. 
Best wrote that it consists of a list of names of the nights of the moon,
opposite which were  symbols that could not be fully explained by the
owner, an Otaki Maori.  It was not until 1975 that the symbols were
identified, by Fell, as Libyan.  The marama-taka itself was only a copy,
which had evidently been transmitted on paper from an ancient source, the
complete meaning of which had been unknown to the Maoris. (Ref. Epigraphic
Society. Occasional Publications Vol. 2)
   An inscription in the square Numidian Libyan style on a monolith about
one tone in weight records a treaty signed around AD 1450 in Takanaki. 
Prof. Fell's translations of the inscription reads: " Come here! Greeting!
Behold this boundary stone of the chiefs! By the power of the Tohunga the
stone has been sequested as tapu.  Whosoever infringes it shall die.  In
witness whereof the chiefs names are engravedm with the likenesses of the
mokomoko of the rangatira of the tribes." (Epig. Socty. Vol.1)
   It is evident from this brief examination that Libyans colonized
Polynesia over two thousand years ago, leaving their inscribed monuments
in the region, and imparting their script to the Polynesians which was
forgotten over the course of centuries.  It is also apparent that these
white Libyans settled many parts of the region before the Polynesian
advance, and that these ancient white colonists account in part for the
legends among the Polynesians which speak of white tribes being in
possession of many of the islands before them.

There is more, but I can't be bothered typing any more out.  Hopefully
this suffices the curiousity of the more intelligent species.

Cailean.

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To the sore loser Jeff Han, I've already started the debate again. 
Somewhere in the mists of the Lords of the Soil you'll  find something
relating to you.  You'll have to read some of it first, which should make
a change (reading that is.)

Cailean

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> Oops, wrong again.  As a newbie, lurker, whatever I'm stunned by the
> ignorance and truth denial of u people.  

Whats this ignorance and truth denial?  Could we have some examples of
this please?

> Hell you had no chance of
> convincing me anyway but even your target base (i.e. IQ 20 or less)
> would have trouble believing the crap you lot spew. 

I wouldn't be to proud of your 21 IQ, it doesn't give you the reasoning
ability to know who our target audience is.

> The liberals you
> claim are running scared don't actually have to prove their point, you
> do it for them.  I suppose the saddest part is the faint possibility
> you actually believe your own propaganda, surely no-one's that stupid.
> 
Then perhaps you can come up with a reason for liberals posting, trivial,
boring and senseless letters, especially enmasse.  

Cailean.

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Foreword by Rex Gilroy,
   It is with great pleasure that I write the Foreword to K. Bolton's
fascinating booklet.  When I first read the rough draft it was like a
fresh breeze sweeping away the musty pages of the established
'traditional' history of the Pacific region, and of New Zealand in
particular.

   In these times when the White race is being assailed from all sides by
its enemies jealous of its achievements, and who are seeking to destroy
our race and its unique civilization through 'multi-culturalism' and White
'self-hatred' propaganda, Mr Bolton's booklet is a godsend.

   His vast knowledge is evident in the overwhelming amount of evidence he
has amassed in this work.  It leaves no doubt that far from feeling
'guilty' or 'racist' for having colonized and civilized New Zealand,
Australia (or anywhere else in the Pacific region for that matter), White
people should show new pride in their achievements.

   From my own lifetime's researches throughout Australia, I have
uncovered evidence demostrating that the Australian Aborigines were not
the first stone-age race to occupy Australia, and that ancient Indo-Aryan
peoples preceded the later European explorers to these shores.

   There can be no doubt that the ancient Indo-Aryan civilizations all
possessed large wooden ships and the means to navigate them across vast
distances of ocean thousands of years before the European explorers
're-discovered' this region.

   As the first researcher to discover the famous 'Gympie Pyramid' in
southern Queensland, among other Egyptian and Phoenician relics found in
Australia, I have no doubts that these ancient Aryan peoples sailed our
waters.

   Having examined a number of Norse-type rock inscriptions in northern
Australia, I am certain that Viking explorers via their Chinese trading
expeditions, sailed further south into Malayan waters, thence on to
northern Australia and into west Pacific.  This is evidenced by a Viking
bronze helmet dug up in New Guinea in 1972, and also by certain other
non-Melanesian cultural items, including 'longship'-type war canoes and
Norse-type religious beliefs still found among Melanesian and Polynesian
groups all the way down to the Solomon Islands and New Guinea.

   I hope that this booklet becomes the possession of every thinking White
person in New Zealand, concerned with the preservation of our unique
racial/cultural heritage.


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               Polynesia's White Gods

   The white tangata whenua, referred to in Maori mythology as Turehu and
Patupaiarehe, were diefied throughout Polynesia as gods, demi-gods and
culture-heroes, and left their mark on the legends, religions, cultures
and ethnology of Polynesia.

WHITE ANCESTORS
   Prof. J. MacMillan Brown writes in Peoples & Problems of the Pacific
that in 1918, when Allied soldiers were being welcomedd back from the
front, in Rarotanga an ancient dance was revived in their honour.  The
performers whitewashed themselves in order, they said, to make themselves
look more like their ancestors.  In this island and in the Cook group
there is a tradition that the ancestors came from a land wheres the trees
were half the year without leaves and the people could walk on water
(ice.)  Brown believed that such traditions pointed to a prehistoric
migration into Polynesia from North-west Europe.
   NORSE MIGRATIONS INTO POLYNESIA? Right, a typical Oceanic bailer from
the Tokelau Islands, the same design as those of the Scandinavian
bailers.  J. Hornell, writing in the Quarterly Journal of the Society for
Nautical Research, Oct 1935, suggests that Norse Culture found its way
into Polynesia from Scandanavia "by way of the sea & coast lands along the
Arctic shores of Siberia, or that of the river systems of Central Asia." 
Rex Gilroy, the Australian researcher and Museum director, writes of
various Viking artifacts being found in Oceania, such as Rune Stones in
Arhhem Land, a bronze helmet at Port Moresby, a Viking broadsword from
Fiji. (Gilroy, personal correspondence.)
TANGAROA
   Tangaroa was the greatest of the Polynesian gods in much of Polynesia. 
He is the Creator in the Society, Samoan and Tongan groups.  In Samoan,
Tongan and NZ mythology he's an oceanic god.  He has a relationship with
the cold north, writes Brown.
   In Mangaia he is represented as a fair-haired god, and all his children
are fair-haired.  When Capt. Cook and his men arrived they were thought to
be the long-lost fair children of Tangaroa.  Golden-haired children at
Mangaia are called the "fair haired progeny of Tangaroa."  Tangaroa was
himself sandy-haired and had been driven from the island to live in
distant lands with his fair children.  An ancient custom was to sacrifice
golden-haired children to Tangaroa. (Brown, Peoples & Problems of the
Pacific.)
   In Tonga, Tangaroa (Tangaloa) is the controller of migrations and
patron of the fair-skinned and virtuous. (Brown.)
   The Moon Maidens are connected with Tangaroa, and with childbirth and
women generally.  Elsdon Best states in The Whare Kohanga & Its Lore that
"like the offspring of Tangaroa, they are represented as being fair
haired."
HIRO
   Opea, on the south-eastern side of Raiatea was the site of the most
sacred marae, the spiritual home of the most powerful chiefs, and the
centre of the worship of the god Ore, of the Society Islands.
   That light-skinned migrants had settled at Opea, established a chiefly
dynasty, and introduced new methods of navigation and a new religion, is
apparent from the ethnology and mythology of the island.  They settled,
according to tradition, under the leadership of Hiro.
   According to William Ellis, missionary to the Society Islands, the
physical profile of the islanders had "a most striking resemblence to that
of the European."  Most of the ruling family of Raiatea were "no darker
than the inhabitants of some parts of Europe."
   The white migrants spread throughout Raiatea, and bordering Tahea,
Huahine, and Berabora.  Hiro and some of his followers left Raiatea to
travel to Raratonga, where he established a new dynasty.  Later Opea
colonists established themselves at Taiarapu, Tahiti.
   Hiro, according to legend went on to NZ, where he is considered the
folk father of the Nth Island (unreadable) Ngapuhi (among whom there were
many "urukehu" or red-headed Maoris), Ngatihau, Ngatiereu, and Whanganui
tribes.
   Edmund de Bevis, French Naval Officer, describes Hiro as the first King
of the Society Islands, who founded the Taputapuatea marae at Opea,
dedicated to the god Oro. (de Bevis, Etat de la Societe Tahitienne, 1855.)
   The Oro cult spread to Tahiti and Meorea.  A great national marae was
established at Taiarapu, called Taputapuatea, after the parent temple at
Opea. Gradually new Oro maraeas were established all over Tahiti, and
eventually Meorea, following a marriage between a high chief and a
princess from Opea (T. Henry, Ancient Tahiti 1928.)
   Robert Langden, executive officer of the Pacific Manuscripts Bureau,
Australian National University, writes, "It will... be noted that the
places in Tahiti that were especially associated with the Oro cult were
also the places where the early explorers most frequently saw islanders
with light skins, red hair, and sometimes blue eyes... As the Raiateans
were invariably said to be fairer than the generality of the Tahitians,
enclaves of blondism must have been created wherever they established new
Oro colonies.  It was therefore in the nature of things that the early
European visiters to Taiarapu...should have repeatedly remarked on the
light features of the people of that area, for it is there that the Oro
cult had been longest established.  Light-featured people were also
conspicuous in the vicinity of Paea where the Priests of Oro had
established a marae." (Langdon, The Lost Caravel 1975.)
   F.D Bennett, Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons, visiting Raiatea
in 1834, noted among the higher ranks of the islanders the regularity of
features, thinness of lips and preminence of nose, "nearer to the European
cast." He also noted the occasional appearance of light reddish hair among
the islanders, and some children with a "flaxon hue."  This island was
more isolated than Tahiti, and thus not so open to recent miscegenation
with European seamen, giving a truer picture of ancient ethnological
influences in Polynesia.
   Paul Hugeunin, director of the Protestant Mission schools on Raiatea,
commented, "The families of the arii or great chiefs are of a type
apart...They are lighter than the Tahitans, and their eyes tend to be plae
with bluish lights, as were the royal family of Huahine." (Huguenin,
Raiatea La Sacree 1902.)
   The American ethnologist, E.S.C. Handy, states that Raiatea was a
"centre of the dynasty of seafaring chiefs who spread their domain
throughout the Society Islands and beyond, to the Cook and Austral islands
and the Tuamotus." (Handy, Houses, Boats & Fishing in the Society Islands,
1932.)
   In 1929 the Bishop Museum study of Polynesian islands obtained the
ancient lore of Anaa, according to which Tangihia, founder of the
principal tribe, was the son of a mythological female named Te Kura.  It
is interesting to reflect that Kura is polynesian for "red", and on Anaa
also means "the blond skin of the  white races."  Te Kura came from a
superior mythological world called Paparangi, which is also a term for
"Europeans."  It was Tangihiaa, who, according to legend, was the chief of
the Cook Islands to whom Hiro gave his son for adoption.  Can we conclude
>from  this that Hiro, a white chief, was adopting his son out to another
chief who was - at least - of part white descent through his mother Te
Kura?
KANE & RONO
   Kane is described as a blond god in a Hawaiian prayer to consecrate an
axe to hew timber for new idols: "Oh Kane, the blond one, here is an
offering of prayer to you, a snuff-coloured fowl for you, a fowl of
light-yellow colour, a fowl of red colour.  The image of you, oh Kane, god
of like."
   When Capt. Cook reached Hawaii in 1779 he was accepted as the god Lono
(Rono), because Lono was a white god who had left Hawaii with a promise to
return in the distant future.  Cook was led to a truncated pyramid and
presented to the chief idols.
TANE
   In the Marquesas group there are two distinct ancestor gods, Tane, a
white and blond god, progenator of white foreigners (hao'e), and Atea, a
forefather of the dark-haired, brown islanders. (E.S.C Handy, Polynesian 
Religion.)
   When the Spanish came to Fatu-Hiva in the Marquesas group in 1595 the
chief pilot, Pedro Fernandez, recorded of the islanders that some were of
very fair  complexion, and "ruddy hair."  Some were even described as "not
fair, but white."
   On Raroia Atoll, Tuamotu, anthropologist Dr B. Danielson wrote in Happy
Island (1952) of his astonishment at the "southern European" appearance of
the island's sage Te Iho.  Teka, the island's chief, was described as the
"most European looking of all islanders."
   Gerbault, the famous yachtsman, wrote of his 1926 visit to Raroia that
the girls "had slightly darkened skin and their features were nearly
European in cast."
Ed's notes: A picture is presented of a little girl in front called by her
family Raurukeum a blond haired.  Taken from Brown's Peoples & Problems of
the Pacific.
THE TUREHU AS TEACHERS
   Throughout Polynesia references to white culture heroes passing their
arts and knowledge on to the Polynesians are frequent in island
mythologies.  Many such legends were localized by the Maori on arriving
here, and applied to the Turehu, while others are of NZ origin.  We shall
consider some of these legends.
LEGEND OF MATAROA
ORIGIN OF FISHING NETS
CANOES
Ed's Notes:  If anypne so desires I will post these legends.

End of Part II

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                  EUROPOID REMNANTS
NEW ZEALAND
   Turning our attention first to our own country, we have previously
recorded the observation of Julien Croset, who sailed with the French
Explorer Marion du Fresne to these shores in 1772, on the Bay of Islands
Maoris amongst whom he found those southern-European complexion and some
with red hair.  The 'whites' were the original inhabitants of NZ, in his
opinion.
   Ernest Dieffenbach, a naturalist, and surgeon with the NZ Company
1839-41, recorded that although the Maori complexion was generally light
brown, it varied greatly, sometimes being "even lighter than that of a
native of southern France."  Some had reddish or auburn hair and were very
light complexioned.
   French explorer J.C.S Dumont d 'Urville, in 1826 saw a youth among the
Bay of Island Maoris who might "easily have passed for a dark-skinned
Provencal or Sicilian."
   J.S Pollock, a trading store owner in the Bay of Islands reported of
the natives that their skin varied from the "olive tinge of the Spanish
peninsula" to a brown or black.  The features of the highest classes were
reminiscent of the European. (Pollock, London 1838.)
   F.O.V Acheson in the foreward to his novel Plume of the Arawas,
remarked on the many blue-eyed urukehu among the Maoris "who were ancient
and almost pure Caucasoid strain."  He had seen "many fair haired but full
blooded Maoris, including many children, with fair skin and blue eyes"
around Lake Taupo and Tangariro region.  Utilising the works of
ethnologists such as Best and James Cowan, and with the help of Arawa
chiefs, Acheson's novel of the Arawas records a conflict with the
Ngati-Hotu, whom, as we have previously seen, were a urukehu tribe,
light-haired and fair-skinned.  It was related to Acheson that the high
priest and navigator of the famous Arawa canoe, Ngatoro-i-rangi was,
according to legend, himself fair-haired and light-skinned and light-eyed.
TAHITI
   George Robertson, Master of the HMS Dolphin, one of the two ships of an
English expedition reaching Tahiti in 1767, wrote of the women that they
were mostly of a light copper colour, but some were "almost, if not
altogether white." These were of the chiefly class.
   Pierre Caro, an officer in a 1768 French expedition recorded his
puzzlement at how "whites" were to found so far from Europe.
   James Cook noted of the Tahitians that the chiefly class was "not
browner than Europeans who are born or reside long in the W.Indies." Some
of the women were "almost as fair as Europeans."
   An anonymous recorder of Cook's voyage said of the Tahitians, "some few
among them appeared almost as white as Europeans, and several had red
hair."
   Father Joseph Amich, with the 1772 Spanish expedition of Domingo
Boenchen, wrote that "a couple of men quite white came on board the
frigate, with blonde hair, reddish beards and eye-brows, and blue eyes." 
The chief of Taiarapu, Ti'i-torea was "very fair and ruddy,
notwithstanding sunburn."
   Capt. Andia of the Jupiter, one of the two ships in a 1774 Spanish
expedition, said of the Tahitians, "there is much variety in their hue and
in their hair...There are a few very fair skinned ones with blue eyes."
   M.Rodrigues, interpreter for the Franciscan mission on Tahiti,
described chief Vehiatua as "very fair skinned, though not of the
blondest." Oviriau, the chief's first cousin was of "very blonde"
complexion, "her hair ruddy and curling, and she had blue eyes."
   Prehistoric Polynesion had a word for blue-eyed (purepure.)  In the
Tuamotuas purepure is still an adjective for a "blond person." (Stimson &
Marshall, A Dictionary of Some Tuamotuan Dialects of Polynesian Languages,
The Hague 1964.)
TUAMOTUA
   From the same source, Stimson & Marshall, we also find that Tuamotua
has words for various shades for skin colour: kokere (black), tukuamotu
(dark brown), vakitau (a white skinned race), angauru (light, olive
skinned.)
   In 1826 Capt. Beechey of the HMS Blossom, remarked of one man at
Vahitahi in the Tuanmotuas that he "was so fair and so like a European
that the boat's crew claimed him as a countrymen."
   Napuka, at the NE corner of the Tuamotuas, was virtually isolated until
1870, when Father Fierens arrived.  The anthropologist, Shapiro, who
visited in 1929, was "especially struck by marked Caucasian strain."
   Gessler, an American Journalist, wrote in The Dangerous Island (London
1937) of the Caucasiod strain accounting for about 10% of the population. 
He recorded that "an unusually blonde little girl," who seemed to be the
daughter of a white man, had a genealogy of native descent going back 35
generations, according to a chief who said, "you will see many blondes
among our people.  It has been so from the beginning."
   Gessler wrote of the "traces of the Caucasion features and
reddish-brown hair that Wallis observed at his discovery of Tahiti, as did
the 16th Century Spaniards in the Marquesas.  Here on one of the most
remote atolls of the Tuamotu, were these hauntingly Caucasion faces, this
red-gold hair, mingled with the high cheek bones that spoke of Asia, the
dark curls of Melansia and the linaments of who knows what vanished race
that may have occupied these islets before the conquerors came."
   In 1924 the Bishop Museum sent a team of scientists to Fangatau, which
had sparse contact with European ships.  The three scientists, linguist
Stimson, ethnologist Emory, and physical anthropologist Shapiro wrote:
"...In Fangatau and Napuka I was especially struck by a marked Caucasiod
strain which I have never found so clearly indicated anywhere else in
Polynesia.  Some of these islanders, of undoubtedly pure descent, are
remarkably European and to my mind solve some of the disturbing questions
with regard to the racial position of the Polynesians and the elements
that go to make up the Polynesian physical complex."
OTHER ISLANDS
   An anonymous chronicler of Roggeveen's 1722 expedition wrote of the
Makateans, "...what is surprising, their skin is as clear and white as
that of a native of Holland."
   The inhabitants of Huahine, 80 miles NW of Tahiti, were described by
Cook as "rather fairer" than Tahitians.  Sydney Parkinson, a botanical
draftsman with the HMS Endeavour, reported the women to be "nearly of the
same colour as Europeans."
   The islanders of Atiu were described by William Anderson, surgeon of
the Resolutionm on Cook's last voyage in 1777, as being of two distinct
types, a "lower class", a small and dark, and a chiefly class, of "much
whiter cast", with "a superior dignity in the air."
   Rapa, an isolated volcanic island 700 miles SSE of Tahiti, was visited
in 1820 by the Russian explorer Bellinghauser.  He describes a youth there
as having "light, reddish hair, blue eyes, a rather aquiline nose, and the
fair skin of northern Europe."  Before Bellinghauser, no European crewsmen
were known to have landed on Rapa.
   J.S Brown, Mermon missionary on the island in 1852 described a Rapan
woman as being "quite fair, with rather light vrown or auburn hair."
(Brown, The Life of a Pioneer, Salt Lake City, 1902.)
   On Reao, not discovered until 1822, Capt. Beechey reported in 1826, "a
great diversity of complexion." "In one of the canoes there was a man
nearly as dark as an Afican Negro, with woolly hair tied in a knot, and
another with a light complexion, sandy hair and European features."
   These accounts of early scientists and European explorers in Polynesia
make it plain that the ethnology of Polynesia is not as uniform as most of
today's Polynesianists would have us believe.  Clearly, the Polynesian is
derived from more than one racial type, and includes a Europoid element,
reflecting early white settlement of Oceania.

Ed's Notes:
Encyclopedia Brittanica 1990, vol 18. pp 851 The Races of Mankind, The
Polynesian geographic race.
"European mariners marveled at the Polynesian's body size and appearance. 
Though they had some Asiatic traits and a distinctively Asiatic
appearance, they also appeared quite European.
   It is possible to think of the Polynesians in terms of multiple origins
-- ie., Asiatic X Melansian X "primitive " white.

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               KON TIKI VIRACOCHA
It is Thor Heyerdahl's view that Eastern Polynesia was first settled by
whites from Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, whose origins in turn derived from the
Mediterrranean culture region.  To add weight to his theory Heyerdahl
proved that a S. American-type balsa-raft and an Egyptian-style reed boat
were capable of making long oceanic voyages without becoming water
logged.  Despite the popularity of Heyerdahl's books on his Ra and Kon
Tiki expeditions few of the general public ssem to grasp the significance
of these expeditions in helping to prove ancient America and Polynesia
were settled by peoples of the white race.  We shall here look at
Heyerdahl's views particularly as they relate to Polynesia, as discussed
in his books Kon Tika, Fatu Hiva, and Early Man & Ocean.
AMERICAN & MEDITERRANEAN CIVILIZATIONS
There are many cultural parallels between the civilizations of ancient
America and the Mediterranean, some of which are discernible in
Polynesia.  When the Spanish conquistadors landed what they found were not
the primitive Stone Age cultures of the Asiatic American Indians, but
great civilizations and empires whose populace studied astronomy, history
and medicine, lived  in planned urban societies  with paved roads,
aqueducts, sewers, market places, sports grounds, schools and palaces. 
These American civilizations constructed stepped pyramids similar to those
of Mesopotamia and the first Egyptian type, to the glory of the sun-god,
and under the command of a priest king who claimed descent from the sun,
just as in Egypt and Mesopotamia.
WHITE CULTURE HEROES OF SOUTH & CENTAL AMERICA
The Indians at first looked upon the conquistadors as gods, the legendary
white and bearded men who had brought their forefathers civilization and
who had left, with a promise to return.  When Pizarro came to Peru his
cousin and chronicler Pedro recorded that some members of the ruling class
were "whiter than Spaniards", and some were blond.  Although the
Amerindian Peruvians had no beards they had a word for beard (sonkhasapa),
and a word for white foreigner (viracocha.)
Ed's notes:  That had to hurt Jeff Han's ego once more.  There is a
picture of a statue (pre-Aztec) in Mexico depicting the race of white
culture heroes which brought civilization to South and Central America.
KON TIKA VIRACOCHA
The viracocha had their centre on the island of L. Titicaca where stand to
this day the ruins of their city.  The viracochas were said to have landed
at the Gulf of Mexico, and included sages, astronomers, architects,
priests and musicians.  They were led by a king, Kon Tika Viracocha, and
had come in a fleet of reed boats.  The virocochas cohabited with Indian
women, and the children became the Inca ruling class, when they drove the
viracochas from the island.  On studying the Indian legends Heyerdahl
wrote:
"Viracocha is an Inca name and consequently of fairly recent date.  The
original name of the sun god Viracocha, which seems to have been mor in
use in Peru in old times, was Kon Tiki or Illa Tiki, which means sun-Tiki
or fire-Tiki.  Kon Tiki was high priest and sun king of the Inca's
legendary 'white men' who had left enormous ruins on the shores of L.
Titicaca.  The legend runs that the mysterious white men with beards were
attacked by a chief named Cari who came from the Coqumbo Valley.  In a
battle on a island in L. Titicaca the fair race was massacred, but Kon
Tiki himself and his closest campanions escaped and later came down to the
Pacific coast, whence they finally disappeared overseas to the westward.
   "I was no longer in doubt that the white chief god Kon Tiki, whom the
Incas declared their forefathers was driven out of Peru on to the Pacific,
was identical with the white chief god Tiki, son of the sun, whom the
inhabitants of all the eastern Pacific islands hailed as the original
founder of their race.  And the details of sun-Tiki's life in Peru, with
the ancient names and places around L. Titicaca, cropped up again in
historic legends current among the natives of the Pacific Islands."
EASTER ISLAND
Easter Island, the closest Polynesian island to Peru, has been described
by Heyerdahl as the ancient "culture centre of the Pacific.  The island's
Polynesian name is "Te-Pito-o-te-Henua", the Navel of the World."  The
legends of the Easter islanders state that their earliest ancestors came
>from  the direction of S. America and had white skins and fair hair.
   Carbon 14 tests show that these whites must have migrated to Easter
Island as early as 380AD, plus or minus 100 years.
   When the Dutch under Roggeveen came to Easter Island in 1722 they
recorded that among the first natives to come aboard ship was "an entirely
white man" of apparent rank, who had greatly extended ear lobes.  The
Dutch recorded that of the Easter Islanders "one finds some among them of
a darker shade, and others quite white, and no less aalso a few of a
reddish tint as if somewhat severly burned by the sun."
   The legends of the islanders relate that the race originally inhabiting
the island was fair complexioned, had come under Tiki "from a mountainous
land in the east parched by the sun", and that they were known as "Long
Ears", as they lengthened their ears by hanging weights on the lobes.  In
Peru also their was a custom of artificial ear extension of extreme
antiquity and social importance.  This ear extension was a privilege of
the royal bloodline, who were called the "great eared people."  In Inca
legend the white gods who haad built their city of Tihuanaco extended
their ears and called themselves Big Ears.
   On Uapou of the Marquesas group the supreme Polynesian god is Tiki,
worshipped under the name "Tiki with the large ears."
   The "white men with flowing beards" who had met the Dutch were said by
the islanders to be the descendants of the women and children of the first
race inhabiting the island, who had been spared to carry on the Long Ear
line after a massacre.
EASTER ISLAND STATUES: PORTRAITS OF THEIR CREATORS
Easter Island is best known for its giant statues, or Moais.  There are
more than 600 megalithic statues and walls on the island.  In the
Marquesas and Tahiti similar statues are given the generic name Tiki. 
Heyerdahl writes:
"They had tje typical physiognomy of the white race with a straight and
narrow nose and thin sharp lips...The sole decoration of the Easter Island
figures is a belt which was always carved around the figure's stomach. 
The same symbolic belt is to be found on every single statue in Kon Tiki's
ancient ruins by L. Titicaca.  It is the legendary emblem of the sun god,
the rainbow belt."
   After 200 years of cooperation between the Long Ears and the Short Ears
in the construction of this megalithic civilization civil war broke out. 
The Long Ears were massacred in a pyre lit in an extensive defensive
trench.  Carbon 14 tests show that the massacre took place in 1676 AD,
which iss in agreement with island traditions placing it at 1680AD.  Some
of the women and children were spared to continue the Long Ear line, and
it was these white/polynesian hybrids, still recognisably Europoid, who
met the Dutch just four decades later.
WHITES AMONGST THE SHORT EARS
The Polynesians apparently reached Easter Island under Hotu Matua, after
its occupation by whites under Tiki, the Long Ears.  However it seems that
this second - Polynesian - migration to Easter Island there was a white
leadership stratum.
   Mrs S. Routledge, the English archeologist, writes in The Mystery of
Easter Island that the Miru clan, descended from Hotu Matua, was the only
group on the island then having a chief.  She writes: "He was short and
very stout, with white skinm as had all his family."
   Routledge, when collecting genealogical lists, noted that the islanders
were ready to give the skin colour of even their most remote relations,
including those who were light skinned, fair haired and blue eyed.
   Robt. Langdon, exec. officer, Pacific Manuscripts Bureau, Australian
National University writes in The Lost Caravel that the nearest descendent
of the last king was named Kaituoe, and in describing a photograph of him
in 1886, notes that he was "so European in appearance that no one, not in
the secret would be likely to identify him as a Pacific Islander."
   Heyerdahl writes:
"In Polynesia, as in Peru, the calender year had been so arranged as to
begin on the particular day of the year when the constellation of the
Pleiades first appeared above the horizon, and in both areas this
constellation was considered the patron of agriculture.  In Peru, there
stands to this day the ruins of an astronomical observatory of great
antiquity, a relic of the same mysterious civilized peopl which carved
stone colossi, erected pyramids, cultivated sweet potatoes and bottle
gourds, and began their year with the rising of the Pleiades. Kon Tiki
knew the satrs when he set upon the Pacific Ocean."

End of Part 4

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Ed's notes has a lot of pictures, so it will not be completely coherent.

               EGYPTIAN EXPLORATION IN THE SOUTH PACIFIC
After the expulsion of the Hyskos from Egypt, Egyptian gold explorations
intensified under the reign of Thutmose I (1525-1512 BC.)  Under Ramses II
(1198-1166 BC) these expeditions became so massive that the Harris Papyrus
describes one as comprising up to 10,000 seamen an merchants.
HAWAIIAN PETROGLYPHS OF EGYPTIAN ORIGIN
That these Egyptian expeditions reached Polynesia is evident from a number
of cultural traits in the region.  In a paper published by the Epigraphie
Society (ESOP Vol. 2 March 1975) R.K Hanner writes of the Egyptian
Influence in Hawaiian Petroglyphs.  Included in her descriptions are those
of a prick eared dog with a spirally coiled tail, characteristic of the
Egyptian hunting dog called 'slughi', not at all like the Polynesian
variety.
   In a follow up paper (ESOP Vol.13 1985) Mrs Hanner quotes British
Egyptologist Dr G. Griffiths as commenting on the Hawaiian petroglyphs as
being "so Egyptian they were done either by Egyptians themselves or by
some tribe to whom they had taught their religion."
   Other pictures include the God Set in his dog form, boats, animals and
religious designs and symbols.
RELIGIOUS INFLUENCES
   As Thor Heyerdahl points out in Early Man & the Ocean, early
Polynesianists such as Elsdon Best detected similarities between the
Polynesian, Egyptian nad other religions from the Mediterranean culture
region.  Heyerdahl writes: "For example the sun and the sun god were known
and worshipped as Ra in ancient Egypt, while Ra was the name of the sun on
all hundreds of islands of Polynesia."
   Another religio-cultural parallel is that of mummification.  Prof G.E
Smith, whilst on the staff of the Cairo Medical School, studied
mumification, and saw its distribution across the world as evidence of
far-reaching Egyptian influence.  He also writes (Journal of the
Polynesian Society, Vol. 26) that the custom of preserving the head of
friends nad foes practised by the Maori and others in Oceania "was derived
>from  the Egyptian practice of mummification, and was spread abroad along
with the latter.  Even in Egypt itself special importance was attached to
the head."
CHIN TATTOOING
In more recent years the similarity of practice between Egyptian/Libyan
and Maori Chin tattooing has been commented on by the New Zealand born
former Harvard Professor and chairman of the Epigraphic Society, Dr Barry
Fell, and by the NZ artist Kristin Zambucka.  Miss Zambucka, as quoted in
an article in the Auckland Herald (1 March 1975) states, "The Egyptians
were very interested in my work with Maori faces and in the discoveries I
had made of strong facial resemblences between Maori elders and some of
their old people.  They were fascinated in the strong similarities between
the faces of Maori women with their mokos and their own Bedouin women who
also have chin tattooes."
Ed's Notes, a picture taken from Vol.13 Journal of the Polynesian Society
shows three chin tattooed Egyptian and Libyan women (all married) and that
of a Maori women.
EGYPTIAN COIN IN BAY OF ISLANDS
   One remarkable discovery of relevance to our subject was the 2000 year
old Egyptian coin found over 30 years ago in the Bay of Islands.  The coin
is believed to be a Ptolemy 6th bronze coin, in circulation between 181
and 145 BC, and is apparently almost identical to another coin dated
between 221 and 204 BC found in Auckland. (Ref. Coin Could Prove Vital
Historic Link, Evening Post 13 June 1983.)

Ed's Notes: I have this article if someone wants me to post its entire
reference.

End part 5

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      The White Tangata Whenua

As every New Zealander knows, tangata whenua means "people of the land",
in Maori.  This, we are constantly reminded, means that the Maoris were
the custodians of "Aotearoa", before being conned and forced into giving
up their sacred heritage to British colonialism.  However, although we are
force-fed a daily diet of Maori culture, there is one aspect of that
culture we are never told of.  This refers to the legends of the Turehu
and the Patupaiarehe, the real tangata whenua, who were in NZ when the
Maoris arrived.  Apparently the reason why we are never told of these
Maori legends is because they would destroy the Maori claim to the title
tangata whenua.  The Turehu and Patupaiarehe were, you see, according to
the Maori's own legends, white skinned and golden-haired.
   There is a considerable amount of historical evidence to back up these
legends throughout Polynesia.  Of NZ, Lt. Crozet in his Voyage to Tasmania
& NZ, writes of the Bay of Islands Maoris:

   "It is most certain that the whites are the aborigines.  Their colour
is,        generally speaking, like that of the people of southern Europe,
and I saw  several who had red hair.  There were some who were as white as
our sailors, and    we often saw on our ship a tall young man who by his
colour and features might   have easily passed for a European."

TUREHU
   Of these "white aborigines" Maoris mythology has much to relate. 
Elsdom Best the famous authority on the Maori, records the following in
his Maori Religion:

   "The Maori regales us with several tales that are supposed to
illustrate a period when the Maori people were living here on sufferance,
as it were, under the mana of the Turehu or Patupaiarehe, the true lords
of the soil.  Many different names are employed to denote this forest
folk, or faeries as our writers often term them, though the Maori concept
is not that of a diminutive fey or elf-like folk, but rather that of a
people of ordinary stature and appearance, save that they are said to have
been fair-skinned and fair-haired."

PATUPAIAREHE
   Writing in The Journal of the Polynesian Society. Vol. 30, James Cowan
states:

   "Patupaiarehe is the name applied by the Maori to the mysterious
forest-dwelling race.  An atmosphere of mysticism surrounds Maori
references to these elusive tribes of the mountains and the bush...The
Patupaiarehe were for the most part of much lighter complexion than the
Maori; their hair was of the dull golden or reddish hue, 'uru-kehu', such
as is sometimes seen among the Maoris of today...This class of folk-tales
no doubt originated in part in the actual existence of numerous tribes of
aborigines.  This immeasurably ancient light-haired people left a strain
of uru-kehu in most ancient tribes."

Cowan writes that the partly wooded Mt. Ngongotaha, rising above the south
west shore of Lake Rotorua, was the principal settlement of the
Patupaiarehe in Rotorua country.  Cowan's old Maori informant related to
him that the Patupaiarehe tribe was named Ngati-Rua.  They were numerous.

   "The complexion of most of them was kiri puwhero (reddish skin), and
their hair had the reddish or golden tinge we call uru-kehu.  Some had
black eyes, some blue like Europeans.  Some of their women were very
beautiful, very fair of complexion, with shining fair hair..."

   A Maori couple stated to Cowan that the Maoris many generations ago set
fire to the fern and forest on the slopes of the mountain, causing much
anguish to the Patupaiarehe tribe, and most of them departed northward.

BATTLE OF THE FIVE FORTS
   An interesting account of a battle between the Maori and the
Patupaiarehe is given in Kakahi, by the famous NZ artist Peter McIntyre. 
The history of the battle was given to him by the Takiwa family, directly
descended from one of the three Maori chiefs who fought in the battle. 
The original people living in Karahi were the Ngata-Hotu, a tribe of the
tangata whenua, who had been discovered by the Arawas living around Taupo
and RotoAira.  These Ngati-Hotu were defeated at the battle of
Puke-Ka-Kiore Mountain and killed or scattered.  Some of the remnants had
gathered near what is now Kakahi.  Safe from attack for sometime they
increased in number.
   The Whanganui Maoris, exploring the river, found the Ngati-Hotu living
where the Whakapapa and Wanganui river join.  The Ngati-Hotu were in such
numbers that the two chiefs with the exploring party sent back for
reinforcements.  A third chief arrived with a war party.  The Ngati-Hotu
had set up a ring of five forts around Kakahi.  The forts were attacked
and taken one by one.  The final battle was fought out on the flats
between Kakahi and the river.  The limbs of the slaughtered Ngati-Hotu
were hung on poles, hence the name of the stream of Kakahi, Whataraparapa,
'the hanging (of the legs) in a line', a final insult to the Ngati-Hotu. 
A few managed to flee into the Patea country and vanish.  This battle was
fought around 1450.  On a hill near Kakahi a great heap of stones stand,
which some local Maoris believe to be the remains of the hangi (Ed notes:
an oven in the soil) where some of the Ngati-Hotu were cooked.
   The Ngati-Hotu are described as a pre-Maori people.  "Maori tradition
says that they were fair-skinned, with reddish golden hair.  In describing
them the graet Maori chief Te Heu Heu Tukino used the words kiriwhero,
meaning reddish skin, and urukehu, meaning reddish-golden hair."

URUKEHU
   Dr Peter Buck, the famous Maori anthropologist, stated that the
designation urukehu was used where fair skin and reddish hair existed
among Maori, said to be the result of mixture between Maori and
Patupaiarehe.
   Prof. J. MacMillan Brown, a prominent early NZ ethnologist and
educator, wrote in his Maori & Polynesian: "There are even cases of a
cross with a blonde Caucasian race amongst the Maoris...In the King
Country there are many of these rufous people..." Brown reproduces in his
Peoples & Problems of the Pacific a painting from Angas' New Zealanders,
entitled "Children near the boiling springs near Taupo Lake."  Angas
wrote: "In the very heart of the interior, light or golden coloured hair
may occasionally be observed...the boy whose portrait is given in the
centre figure...is the son of one of the chiefs of Tukanu, a settlement
near the boiling springs of Taupo Lake, where no intermixture with
Europeans could have taken place."
   
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                  LIBYAN COLONIZATION
CAVE INSCRIPTIONS FROM NEW GUINEA
Inscriptions found in the South Pacific show that Libyans were a major
influence in exploring and colonizing Polynesia.  On the basis of
reference to women and children being aboard the Egypto-Libyan ships, as
reported in New Guinea Libyan inscriptions, it can be concluded that the
primary aim of the expeditions was the settlement of Polynesia.
   Inscriptions found in New Guinea in Libyan script include star maps,
navigation charts and mathematical calculations.  These inscriptions from
New Guinea appear to be the work of a Libyan navigator who signed himself
M-W.  Prof. Barry Fell, formerly Harvard, president of the Epigraphic
Society writes in his book Saga America:
   "The word mawi in Egyptian means guide or navigator, but it also sounds
very much like the Polynesian name Maui...When I recorded the Libyan
inscriptions from New Guinea I made the inference that the M-W of the cave
texts was indeed the same as the Maui of Polynesian Legend, and so I began
to investigate the ancient Libyan language in order to find out if the
Polynesian language is related to Libyan.  It soon became apparent that
this is the case..."
Fell continues:
   "The New Guinea inscriptions led me to infer that Maui had entered the
Pacific Ocean from the Northern Indian Ocean, and had crossed the Pacific
in this direction of the Americas, apparently discovering parts of
Polynesia en route.  The date of the voyage appeared to be the 15th year
of Ptolemy III of Egypt, as an ecilpse of the sun visible in New Guinea in
Nov. 232 BC seemed to be the same as one recorded by Maui as occuring in
the 'fifteenth year of Pharoah's reign'..."
   Fell subsequently translated Libyan maps found in America, mapping
parts of Polynesia and attributed to the voyages of Maui, or M-W.  These
charts are dated 650AD, and had been copied and recopied for centuries in
the navigational schools which had been established by Libyan colonists in
America.
LIBYAN INSCRIPTIONS IN POLYNESIA
  Libyan inscriptiions have been found all over the South Pacific,
including New Guinea, Fiji, Tuamotu, Pitcairn, and New Zealand.

Ed's notes: A picture of one appears in NZ & Its Inhabitants by Rev R.
Taylor (1870.)  It's translation is "Our crew wrecked in a storm, made
land, thank god! We are people from the Manu region.  We worship Ra in
accordance with the scripture: We behold the sun and give voice."  The
inscription  was on the site of a cliff-top stone temple on Pitcairn 
island.

Libyan inscriptions have been recorded at Dakumba, Fiji, dated at 250 BC
on the basis of the letter style.  Translated by Prof. Fell, they read:
"Colonists worn out by attacks of the Nubians, withdrawn south to Tonga,
to Settlement Bay.  Follow us therefore without delay.  Seed corn rotted
in the bins.  Provisions exhausted.  Dependent on just our fish catch and
wild herbs. By orders of the commander."
   The reference to 'Nubians' is the Egypto-Libyan designation for the
Melanesian Fijians, rendered in the inscription as ni-sa, in ancient
Egyptian nhsy=Nubian.
LIBYAN SCRIPTS RECORDED IN NZ
A marama-taka (fishing calender) was obtained by Elsdon Best in 1918. 
Best wrote that it consists of a list of names of the nights of the moon,
opposite which were  symbols that could not be fully explained by the
owner, an Otaki Maori.  It was not until 1975 that the symbols were
identified, by Fell, as Libyan.  The marama-taka itself was only a copy,
which had evidently been transmitted on paper from an ancient source, the
complete meaning of which had been unknown to the Maoris. (Ref. Epigraphic
Society. Occasional Publications Vol. 2)
   An inscription in the square Numidian Libyan style on a monolith about
one tone in weight records a treaty signed around AD 1450 in Takanaki. 
Prof. Fell's translations of the inscription reads: " Come here! Greeting!
Behold this boundary stone of the chiefs! By the power of the Tohunga the
stone has been sequested as tapu.  Whosoever infringes it shall die.  In
witness whereof the chiefs names are engravedm with the likenesses of the
mokomoko of the rangatira of the tribes." (Epig. Socty. Vol.1)
   It is evident from this brief examination that Libyans colonized
Polynesia over two thousand years ago, leaving their inscribed monuments
in the region, and imparting their script to the Polynesians which was
forgotten over the course of centuries.  It is also apparent that these
white Libyans settled many parts of the region before the Polynesian
advance, and that these ancient white colonists account in part for the
legends among the Polynesians which speak of white tribes being in
possession of many of the islands before them.

There is more, but I can't be bothered typing any more out.  Hopefully
this suffices the curiousity of the more intelligent species.

Cailean.

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg


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To the sore loser Jeff Han, I've already started the debate again. 
Somewhere in the mists of the Lords of the Soil you'll  find something
relating to you.  You'll have to read some of it first, which should make
a change (reading that is.)

Cailean

-- 
"Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil!  Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin.  Stamp out the Fascist Beast once and for all in its lair!  Use force and break the racial pride of the Germanic women.  Take them as your lawful booty.  Kill! as you storm onwards Kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army!"
   -- the celebrated Jewish journalist Ilya Ehrenburg

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