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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Why bother?
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> >> Ignorant of reality? This coming from the guy that refused to believe 
> >> that blood transfusions between whites and blacks were possible?
> >Did you ever read the end of the thread?
> 
> Yeah, interesting trek through your psyche... 
> 
> >Did you realize that I had both Young Ho and joan over a barrel? The
> >problem with these newsgroups is that when the going gets tough, you can
> >simply walk out (which they both did).
> 
> Uh yeah, Colin...sure.
> 
> >For the record I never said it was impossible for blacks and whites to
> >have blood transfusions.  What I said was that it shouldn't happen because
> >of the side effects.  Which is a lot different from what you said.
> 
> Oh this is either the CRAZIEST thing ever posted, or a grade z 
> Troll...dare I ask?  Yep... What, Colin, are the side-effects?
> 

> http://www.io.org/~lzaird                                       lzaird@io.org

Were you bored when you wrote this lzaird?

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jul  1 16:23:22 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Black Egyptians? WHY NOT? ISLAM IS NOT FORTHINKING PEOPLE!!>>
Date: 29 Jun 1995 06:51:47 GMT
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> Here is the answer to "how could black egyptians turn white"  its so
> simple, If you doubt it, pick up a book....
> Egypt has been a land of many invasions.  When you look back at the most
> ancient of egyptians, you will see negroid features.  You will see broad
> noses, thick lips, a face that slants forward.  Look at the sphinx.  Or
> look at the other ruins from the earlier periods.  
> Egypt has been invaded by many nations since then.  Romans, greeks, and
> many other nations have occupied it.  The last great invasion was of the
> forces of Islam and the Arab people.  the vast majority of the people
> living in present day egypt are primarily desended from the Arabs.  They
> have Arab blood in them.  They speak Arabic.  THEY ARE ARABS.
> Is that hard to believe?  Just look at present day America.  The people
> originally living in the western Hemisphere were the people we now call
> the "Indians" or "Native Americans"  But now, at least still in North
> America, the majority of the people are what we now call "Whites"  or of
> Caucasoid, European stock.  
> If we use the theory of those who believe that the present day Arabs of
> Egypt are the same as the Ancient Egyptians, then we could say that The
> present day Americans are of Indian stock.  But we know that is untrue,
> and if someone were to tell us that, we would correct him or her.
> 
> Oh well, that is just something to think about.

The sphinx has negroid features?  I don't remember seeing the inflated
lip. How about the masks of dead pharoahs (Tutakamen for example) where
are those negro features?

Where are these ruins of earlier periods of Egypt that resemble negroid
features?

If the negro did build all those ancient monuments. Why didn't they
continue to do so?  They obviously had a huge head start to the "white
man" when it came to building civilizations (and powerful ones), why did
they not continue the trend? Egypt was a formidable military power at
times.  Why did it regress into nothingness?

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jul  1 16:23:30 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Why bother?
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:29:49 +1200
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> >> Hope not, he's pretty good...
> >He is?  News to me. Admittly he is better than you.
> 
> He is.  And I think he's better than me.  Hey Colin, when do the insults 
> begin?
I was being insulting? More like I was being factual.
> 
> >> windsheild.)... There are probably more reasons.  I don't expect to 
> >> change any of you guys, but I do expect to make you look REEEEAL STUPID.
> >Like Mike Beebe, you are not very good. Perhaps you could share the summer
> >vacation with Jeanne.  Maybe then you could be better (probably not).
> 
> Oh no Mike, Colin doesn't like our stuff...boo hoo...I think I'll go 
> crawl under a rock and not post anymore.  Way to tell  us how it is, Colin.
> 
You'll have to boot Mike from under the rock first.

> >> Anyways, if you Nazis would just tell the truth, I'd have nothing to post.
> >You have nothing to post anyway.
> 
> WOW!  You're on the ball aren't you?  Do you ghost write for Woody 
> Allen?  I mean the sheer quality of this flame!
>
The sentiments that I flame do not come from me. If you consider that I
flamed that is your mistake.
 
> >> Oh yeah!  I forgot, I'm currently flooding you NG with liberal 
> >> sentiment....if you haven't noticed, buddy, we outnumber you and we OWN 
> >> this fucking place, to the point where you have to take up more than one 
> >> persona (Les) and have to Troll yourselves (Les).  
> >Is this a reason?
> 
> Yep.
Small things amuse small minds.
> 
> >> witty retorts to our messages, and you'd have to wade through that 
> >> shit!  You can't win.
> >True, your stuff is shit.  No argument there.  Who gives a shit whether
> >your friends mock us. Our friends mock you beyond belief. Moot point.
> 
> See four paragraphs above... Colin, you're just the saddest Troller out 
> there, man.
                               
Excuse me, you made a stupid comment to which you thought was valid.  I
went about saying it was not valid.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jul  1 16:23:34 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: He who laughs last, laughs ...
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:28:18 +1200
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> Originally, I was wide open to the idea that the legislature of New
> Zealand passed an unreasonable law. If the law does what you say it does,
> then it is an unreasonable and idiotic law. You have not proven that the
> law prohibits ownership of any publication. That part of the argument was
> originally your most credible, but your constant obfuscation makes me
> doubt that the law is what you say it is.
> 
> You also have not proven--not even remotely--that UN declarations carry
> force of law, or that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights demands
> censorship (in fact, it opposes it). Your selective quotes have only
> established that the UN opposes racism. Shocking revelation, that.
> 
> You said that NZ law prohibited owning the Protocols. The jury's still out.
> 
> You said that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights demanded
> censorship. That is false.
> 
> You said that New Zealand had no alternative but to act in accordance with
> UN "legislation." That, too, is false.
> 
> 
> In article ,
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:
> 
>    > In other words, no clause in the document can be interpreted as enabling
>    > others the right to invalidate any of the rights contained in it. It
>    > doesn't prohibit such actions--UN declarations generally don't prohibit
>    > much of anything--it just says that this document doesn't give that
right.
>    > That's a fairly standard clause in a declaration of this type.
>   
>    So I was defrauding you? 
>     
> I don't know. It's only fraud if its intentional. I'm open to the
> possibility that you left out most of the relevant information out of
> simple ignorance.  
> 
>    Excuse me, education of tolerance is against freedom of speech.
> 
> 1) Care to explain that? Freedom of speech guarantees that you can say
what you 
>    want to. It doesn't guarantee that no one else will disagree. In fact,
> education of tolerance--specifically, tolerance toward others' views--is
> essential to maintaining free speech.
> 
What a load of crap.  If everyone is saying the same thing (tolerance)
that is hardly free speech.  

> 2) 26:3 established a prior right of parents to educate their children as
> they see fit. Therefore, you can teach your children whatever you want.
>
26:2 requires the education to be tolerance. 26:3 allows the parents to
decide how that education will be administered.
 
>    Would it be too hard to presume my listing of fines for objectionable
>    material suffices?  
> 
> Jesus, are you really this dense? You DID NOT LIST "FINES FOR
> OBJECTIONABLE MATERIAL." The quote follows, yet again, as it originally
> appeared.
> 
>   113. Offences of strict liability relating to objectionable publications 
>       (2) Every person who commits an offence against subsection(1) of this
>       section is liable to a fine not exceeding,--
>           (a) In the case of an individual, $5,000:
>           (b) In the case of a body corporate, %15,000.
>       (3) It shall be no defence to a charge under subsection(1) of this
section
>       that the defendant had no knowledge or no reasonable cause to
believe that
>       the publication to which the charge relates was objectionable.
>     
> Nothing in this section says that those are fines for possession,
> publication, distribution, or import of objectionable material. 
> 
> Those are the penalties for an offense against subsection 1.
> 
> Subsection 1 is omitted. Hence, those are the penalties for an unspecified
> offense.
> 
>    Did not I include the seizure of public propertity and some of clauses it
>    entailed?
> 
> Quoted again (first clause abridged):
> 
>    98. Seizure of objectionable publications -- (1) Subject to subsection (2)
>    of this section...a member of the Police...discovers any publication
>    that he or she believes...to be objectionable...may...seize that
>    publication
>    (2) Nothing in subsection(1) of this section applies to any publication
>    that is in the possession of any person in circumstances in which, by
>    virtue of subsection(4) or subsection(5) of section 121 of the Act, the
>    possession of that publication by that person is not an offence against
>    subsection(1) of that section,
> 
> That says that the police may seize objectionable material IF AND ONLY IF
> possession thereof is an offense against section 121, subsection 1; and IF
> AND ONLY IF it is not excepted by subsections 4 and 5 of section 121.
> Again, the section lists the guidelines for seizure if an offense has
> occurred.
> 
> It does not define the offense.
> 
> The offense is defined elsewhere, in a section that has not been quoted.
> 
> You have provided a lot of extraneous information. You have not proven
> your original assertion.
> 
I'll start a new message in this thread on the account that this message
is getting too long.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jul  1 16:23:40 PDT 1995
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ATTN: Andy Walton.

FILMS, VIDEOS, AND PUBLICATIONS CLASSIFICATION BILL

I'll only include the explanatory notes (they are a summary). With only
the more relevant parts (it's 9 pages long).

This Bill consolidates and amends the law relating to the censorship of
films, video recordings, book, sound recordings, and other publications.
It repeals the Indecent Publications Act 1963, the Films Act 1983, and the
Video Recordings Act 1987.

Comprehend?

2. Single set of classification criteria
   A single set of statutory criteria will govern the classification of
films, videos, books, sound recordings, and other publications
(collectively referred to in the Bill as "publications"). The decision to
prohibit or restrict the availability of a publication will be made
according to whether or not the publication is "objectionable" within the
meaning of clause 3. The term "objectionable" replaces the term "indecent"
used in both the Indecent Publication Act 1963 and the Video Recordings
Act 1987. (The Films Act 1983 does not use the term "indecent". Rather the
test is whether or not the exhibition of a film is likely to be injurious
to the public good).
   Clause 3 (3) and (4) set out criteria that are to be taken into account
in determining whether or not any publication (other than a publication
that is deemed by clause 3 (2) to be objectionable) is objectionable or
should be given any other classification.

-- clause 3 (2) includes child pornography, rape and so forth.

Clause 3 (3) requires that particular weight be given to the extent and
degree to which, and the manner in which, the publication--
 (e)  Represents (whether directly or by implication) that members of any
particular class of the public are inherently inferior to other members of
the public by reason of the colour, race, ethnic or national origins, sex,
physical or intellectual capacity, or religious beliefs of the members of
that class:

Clause 3 (4) requires that the following matters shall also be considered:
(a) The dominant effect of the publication as a whole:
(b) The impact of the medium in which the publication is presented:
(c) The character of the publication, including any merit, value, or
importance that the publication has in relation to literary, artistic,
social, cultural, educational, scientific, or other matters:
(d) The persons, classes of persons, or age groups of the persons to whom
the publication is intended or is likely to be made available:
(e) The purpose for which the publication is intended to be used:
(f) -- not needed to quote.

3. Evidence of injury to the public good
Clause 4 relates to the question or not there must be evidence of injury
to the public good before a publication can be classified under the Bill
as objectionable. -- It continues with Case law.

Does the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion do injury to the Jews?

7. Classifications
After examining a publication, and having taken into account the matters
referred to in clause 3 (see above), the Classification Office must
classify the publication as--
(a) Unrestricted; or
(b) Objectionable; or
(c) Objectionable except in any one or more of the followong circumstances:
   (i) If the publication is in the hands of persons who have attained a
specified age:
   (ii) If the publication's circulation is restricted to specified
persons or classes of persons:
   (iii) If the publication is used for one or more specified purposes.
A publication classified under (c) is referred to as restricted publication.

12. Search and seizure
Clause 96 authorises an Inspector of Publications to enter any premises
(other than a private residence) in which films or books are offered for
public supply, or film is exhibited to the public, for the purposes of
ensuring that the provisions of the Bill relating to labelling, and any
conditions imposed pusuant to clause 25, are complied with.
Clauses 99 to 103 provide for the issue of a search warrant to an
Inspector of Publications or a member of the Police. The warrant is
authority to search any place or thing specified in the warrant and to
seiae any thing that there are reasonable grounds to believe is being kept
for the purpose of being so dealt with as to constitute an offence against
clause 113 or clause 114 or clause 117 or clause 119, any thing that there
are reasonable grounds to believe will be evidence of the commission of
such an offence, or any thing that there are reasonable grounds to believe
is intended to be used for the purpose of committing such an offence.

13. Offences
Clauses 113 and 114 relate to the making, copying, supply, and
distribution of objectionable publications.
Clause 117 makes it an offence to exhibit or display an objectionable
publication in or within view of a public place.
Clause 119 makes it an offence to publicly display an objectionable
publication in or within view of a public place.
Clause 121 makes it an offence to possess (please note), without lawful
authority or excuse, an objectionable publication.  The offence is one of
strict liability (I quoted previously), and it is no defence that the
defendant had no knowledge or no reasonable cause to believe that the
publication was objectionable.  The publication need not have been
classified at the time of the commission of the offence.

Brief as I could. You'll have to be satisfied with the explanatory notes. 
The law is even worse for length and verbatim.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Why bother?
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> >> Hope not, he's pretty good...
> >He is?  News to me. Admittly he is better than you.
> 
> He is.  And I think he's better than me.  Hey Colin, when do the insults 
> begin?
I was being insulting? More like I was being factual.
> 
> >> windsheild.)... There are probably more reasons.  I don't expect to 
> >> change any of you guys, but I do expect to make you look REEEEAL STUPID.
> >Like Mike Beebe, you are not very good. Perhaps you could share the summer
> >vacation with Jeanne.  Maybe then you could be better (probably not).
> 
> Oh no Mike, Colin doesn't like our stuff...boo hoo...I think I'll go 
> crawl under a rock and not post anymore.  Way to tell  us how it is, Colin.
> 
You'll have to boot Mike from under the rock first.

> >> Anyways, if you Nazis would just tell the truth, I'd have nothing to post.
> >You have nothing to post anyway.
> 
> WOW!  You're on the ball aren't you?  Do you ghost write for Woody 
> Allen?  I mean the sheer quality of this flame!
>
The sentiments that I flame do not come from me. If you consider that I
flamed that is your mistake.
 
> >> Oh yeah!  I forgot, I'm currently flooding you NG with liberal 
> >> sentiment....if you haven't noticed, buddy, we outnumber you and we OWN 
> >> this fucking place, to the point where you have to take up more than one 
> >> persona (Les) and have to Troll yourselves (Les).  
> >Is this a reason?
> 
> Yep.
Small things amuse small minds.
> 
> >> witty retorts to our messages, and you'd have to wade through that 
> >> shit!  You can't win.
> >True, your stuff is shit.  No argument there.  Who gives a shit whether
> >your friends mock us. Our friends mock you beyond belief. Moot point.
> 
> See four paragraphs above... Colin, you're just the saddest Troller out 
> there, man.
                               
Excuse me, you made a stupid comment to which you thought was valid.  I
went about saying it was not valid.

Colin.


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Subject: Re: He who laughs last, laughs ...
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:28:18 +1200
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> Originally, I was wide open to the idea that the legislature of New
> Zealand passed an unreasonable law. If the law does what you say it does,
> then it is an unreasonable and idiotic law. You have not proven that the
> law prohibits ownership of any publication. That part of the argument was
> originally your most credible, but your constant obfuscation makes me
> doubt that the law is what you say it is.
> 
> You also have not proven--not even remotely--that UN declarations carry
> force of law, or that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights demands
> censorship (in fact, it opposes it). Your selective quotes have only
> established that the UN opposes racism. Shocking revelation, that.
> 
> You said that NZ law prohibited owning the Protocols. The jury's still out.
> 
> You said that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights demanded
> censorship. That is false.
> 
> You said that New Zealand had no alternative but to act in accordance with
> UN "legislation." That, too, is false.
> 
> 
> In article ,
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:
> 
>    > In other words, no clause in the document can be interpreted as enabling
>    > others the right to invalidate any of the rights contained in it. It
>    > doesn't prohibit such actions--UN declarations generally don't prohibit
>    > much of anything--it just says that this document doesn't give that
right.
>    > That's a fairly standard clause in a declaration of this type.
>   
>    So I was defrauding you? 
>     
> I don't know. It's only fraud if its intentional. I'm open to the
> possibility that you left out most of the relevant information out of
> simple ignorance.  
> 
>    Excuse me, education of tolerance is against freedom of speech.
> 
> 1) Care to explain that? Freedom of speech guarantees that you can say
what you 
>    want to. It doesn't guarantee that no one else will disagree. In fact,
> education of tolerance--specifically, tolerance toward others' views--is
> essential to maintaining free speech.
> 
What a load of crap.  If everyone is saying the same thing (tolerance)
that is hardly free speech.  

> 2) 26:3 established a prior right of parents to educate their children as
> they see fit. Therefore, you can teach your children whatever you want.
>
26:2 requires the education to be tolerance. 26:3 allows the parents to
decide how that education will be administered.
 
>    Would it be too hard to presume my listing of fines for objectionable
>    material suffices?  
> 
> Jesus, are you really this dense? You DID NOT LIST "FINES FOR
> OBJECTIONABLE MATERIAL." The quote follows, yet again, as it originally
> appeared.
> 
>   113. Offences of strict liability relating to objectionable publications 
>       (2) Every person who commits an offence against subsection(1) of this
>       section is liable to a fine not exceeding,--
>           (a) In the case of an individual, $5,000:
>           (b) In the case of a body corporate, %15,000.
>       (3) It shall be no defence to a charge under subsection(1) of this
section
>       that the defendant had no knowledge or no reasonable cause to
believe that
>       the publication to which the charge relates was objectionable.
>     
> Nothing in this section says that those are fines for possession,
> publication, distribution, or import of objectionable material. 
> 
> Those are the penalties for an offense against subsection 1.
> 
> Subsection 1 is omitted. Hence, those are the penalties for an unspecified
> offense.
> 
>    Did not I include the seizure of public propertity and some of clauses it
>    entailed?
> 
> Quoted again (first clause abridged):
> 
>    98. Seizure of objectionable publications -- (1) Subject to subsection (2)
>    of this section...a member of the Police...discovers any publication
>    that he or she believes...to be objectionable...may...seize that
>    publication
>    (2) Nothing in subsection(1) of this section applies to any publication
>    that is in the possession of any person in circumstances in which, by
>    virtue of subsection(4) or subsection(5) of section 121 of the Act, the
>    possession of that publication by that person is not an offence against
>    subsection(1) of that section,
> 
> That says that the police may seize objectionable material IF AND ONLY IF
> possession thereof is an offense against section 121, subsection 1; and IF
> AND ONLY IF it is not excepted by subsections 4 and 5 of section 121.
> Again, the section lists the guidelines for seizure if an offense has
> occurred.
> 
> It does not define the offense.
> 
> The offense is defined elsewhere, in a section that has not been quoted.
> 
> You have provided a lot of extraneous information. You have not proven
> your original assertion.
> 
I'll start a new message in this thread on the account that this message
is getting too long.

Colin.


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ATTN: Andy Walton.

FILMS, VIDEOS, AND PUBLICATIONS CLASSIFICATION BILL

I'll only include the explanatory notes (they are a summary). With only
the more relevant parts (it's 9 pages long).

This Bill consolidates and amends the law relating to the censorship of
films, video recordings, book, sound recordings, and other publications.
It repeals the Indecent Publications Act 1963, the Films Act 1983, and the
Video Recordings Act 1987.

Comprehend?

2. Single set of classification criteria
   A single set of statutory criteria will govern the classification of
films, videos, books, sound recordings, and other publications
(collectively referred to in the Bill as "publications"). The decision to
prohibit or restrict the availability of a publication will be made
according to whether or not the publication is "objectionable" within the
meaning of clause 3. The term "objectionable" replaces the term "indecent"
used in both the Indecent Publication Act 1963 and the Video Recordings
Act 1987. (The Films Act 1983 does not use the term "indecent". Rather the
test is whether or not the exhibition of a film is likely to be injurious
to the public good).
   Clause 3 (3) and (4) set out criteria that are to be taken into account
in determining whether or not any publication (other than a publication
that is deemed by clause 3 (2) to be objectionable) is objectionable or
should be given any other classification.

-- clause 3 (2) includes child pornography, rape and so forth.

Clause 3 (3) requires that particular weight be given to the extent and
degree to which, and the manner in which, the publication--
 (e)  Represents (whether directly or by implication) that members of any
particular class of the public are inherently inferior to other members of
the public by reason of the colour, race, ethnic or national origins, sex,
physical or intellectual capacity, or religious beliefs of the members of
that class:

Clause 3 (4) requires that the following matters shall also be considered:
(a) The dominant effect of the publication as a whole:
(b) The impact of the medium in which the publication is presented:
(c) The character of the publication, including any merit, value, or
importance that the publication has in relation to literary, artistic,
social, cultural, educational, scientific, or other matters:
(d) The persons, classes of persons, or age groups of the persons to whom
the publication is intended or is likely to be made available:
(e) The purpose for which the publication is intended to be used:
(f) -- not needed to quote.

3. Evidence of injury to the public good
Clause 4 relates to the question or not there must be evidence of injury
to the public good before a publication can be classified under the Bill
as objectionable. -- It continues with Case law.

Does the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion do injury to the Jews?

7. Classifications
After examining a publication, and having taken into account the matters
referred to in clause 3 (see above), the Classification Office must
classify the publication as--
(a) Unrestricted; or
(b) Objectionable; or
(c) Objectionable except in any one or more of the followong circumstances:
   (i) If the publication is in the hands of persons who have attained a
specified age:
   (ii) If the publication's circulation is restricted to specified
persons or classes of persons:
   (iii) If the publication is used for one or more specified purposes.
A publication classified under (c) is referred to as restricted publication.

12. Search and seizure
Clause 96 authorises an Inspector of Publications to enter any premises
(other than a private residence) in which films or books are offered for
public supply, or film is exhibited to the public, for the purposes of
ensuring that the provisions of the Bill relating to labelling, and any
conditions imposed pusuant to clause 25, are complied with.
Clauses 99 to 103 provide for the issue of a search warrant to an
Inspector of Publications or a member of the Police. The warrant is
authority to search any place or thing specified in the warrant and to
seiae any thing that there are reasonable grounds to believe is being kept
for the purpose of being so dealt with as to constitute an offence against
clause 113 or clause 114 or clause 117 or clause 119, any thing that there
are reasonable grounds to believe will be evidence of the commission of
such an offence, or any thing that there are reasonable grounds to believe
is intended to be used for the purpose of committing such an offence.

13. Offences
Clauses 113 and 114 relate to the making, copying, supply, and
distribution of objectionable publications.
Clause 117 makes it an offence to exhibit or display an objectionable
publication in or within view of a public place.
Clause 119 makes it an offence to publicly display an objectionable
publication in or within view of a public place.
Clause 121 makes it an offence to possess (please note), without lawful
authority or excuse, an objectionable publication.  The offence is one of
strict liability (I quoted previously), and it is no defence that the
defendant had no knowledge or no reasonable cause to believe that the
publication was objectionable.  The publication need not have been
classified at the time of the commission of the offence.

Brief as I could. You'll have to be satisfied with the explanatory notes. 
The law is even worse for length and verbatim.

Colin.


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> I quoted this entire message just to get my point across.  WHO THE FUCK 
> CARES WHO'S CAT IS SMARTER?  No one's fucking cat can post.  You all know 
> that (well, except maybe Jeanne). 

Thats Jeanne for you.  She is one of these people that thinks she can make
an attack without retialation.  She then gets upset by it.  If she didn't
make such silly assertions then I would hardly need to reply with a silly
answer.

JeFf HaN I believe is the one who semi started it.  I replied to JeFf
HaN's silly comment with a silly comment.  Jeanne decided to become the
champion of silliness in claiming I was writing Mein Kampf II and that I
was planning to be a new Hitler.  No doubt she probably thought I was
serious and probably still believes I am intending on doing such things. 
She probably also believes my excerpt of Mein Kampf II to be real (it's
not, it only looks like Ogam script). And no doubt she believes I have a
sheep legion.  Jeanne really doesn't know when someone is being serious or
not.  She then claims other people are reality-challenged. 

Colin.


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> Originally, I was wide open to the idea that the legislature of New
> Zealand passed an unreasonable law. If the law does what you say it does,
> then it is an unreasonable and idiotic law. You have not proven that the
> law prohibits ownership of any publication. That part of the argument was
> originally your most credible, but your constant obfuscation makes me
> doubt that the law is what you say it is.
> 
> You also have not proven--not even remotely--that UN declarations carry
> force of law, or that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights demands
> censorship (in fact, it opposes it). Your selective quotes have only
> established that the UN opposes racism. Shocking revelation, that.
> 
> You said that NZ law prohibited owning the Protocols. The jury's still out.
> 
> You said that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights demanded
> censorship. That is false.
> 
> You said that New Zealand had no alternative but to act in accordance with
> UN "legislation." That, too, is false.
> 
> 
> In article ,
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:
> 
>    > In other words, no clause in the document can be interpreted as enabling
>    > others the right to invalidate any of the rights contained in it. It
>    > doesn't prohibit such actions--UN declarations generally don't prohibit
>    > much of anything--it just says that this document doesn't give that
right.
>    > That's a fairly standard clause in a declaration of this type.
>   
>    So I was defrauding you? 
>     
> I don't know. It's only fraud if its intentional. I'm open to the
> possibility that you left out most of the relevant information out of
> simple ignorance.  
> 
>    Excuse me, education of tolerance is against freedom of speech.
> 
> 1) Care to explain that? Freedom of speech guarantees that you can say
what you 
>    want to. It doesn't guarantee that no one else will disagree. In fact,
> education of tolerance--specifically, tolerance toward others' views--is
> essential to maintaining free speech.
> 
What a load of crap.  If everyone is saying the same thing (tolerance)
that is hardly free speech.  

> 2) 26:3 established a prior right of parents to educate their children as
> they see fit. Therefore, you can teach your children whatever you want.
>
26:2 requires the education to be tolerance. 26:3 allows the parents to
decide how that education will be administered.
 
>    Would it be too hard to presume my listing of fines for objectionable
>    material suffices?  
> 
> Jesus, are you really this dense? You DID NOT LIST "FINES FOR
> OBJECTIONABLE MATERIAL." The quote follows, yet again, as it originally
> appeared.
> 
>   113. Offences of strict liability relating to objectionable publications 
>       (2) Every person who commits an offence against subsection(1) of this
>       section is liable to a fine not exceeding,--
>           (a) In the case of an individual, $5,000:
>           (b) In the case of a body corporate, %15,000.
>       (3) It shall be no defence to a charge under subsection(1) of this
section
>       that the defendant had no knowledge or no reasonable cause to
believe that
>       the publication to which the charge relates was objectionable.
>     
> Nothing in this section says that those are fines for possession,
> publication, distribution, or import of objectionable material. 
> 
> Those are the penalties for an offense against subsection 1.
> 
> Subsection 1 is omitted. Hence, those are the penalties for an unspecified
> offense.
> 
>    Did not I include the seizure of public propertity and some of clauses it
>    entailed?
> 
> Quoted again (first clause abridged):
> 
>    98. Seizure of objectionable publications -- (1) Subject to subsection (2)
>    of this section...a member of the Police...discovers any publication
>    that he or she believes...to be objectionable...may...seize that
>    publication
>    (2) Nothing in subsection(1) of this section applies to any publication
>    that is in the possession of any person in circumstances in which, by
>    virtue of subsection(4) or subsection(5) of section 121 of the Act, the
>    possession of that publication by that person is not an offence against
>    subsection(1) of that section,
> 
> That says that the police may seize objectionable material IF AND ONLY IF
> possession thereof is an offense against section 121, subsection 1; and IF
> AND ONLY IF it is not excepted by subsections 4 and 5 of section 121.
> Again, the section lists the guidelines for seizure if an offense has
> occurred.
> 
> It does not define the offense.
> 
> The offense is defined elsewhere, in a section that has not been quoted.
> 
> You have provided a lot of extraneous information. You have not proven
> your original assertion.
> 
I'll start a new message in this thread on the account that this message
is getting too long.

Colin.


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ATTN: Andy Walton.

FILMS, VIDEOS, AND PUBLICATIONS CLASSIFICATION BILL

I'll only include the explanatory notes (they are a summary). With only
the more relevant parts (it's 9 pages long).

This Bill consolidates and amends the law relating to the censorship of
films, video recordings, book, sound recordings, and other publications.
It repeals the Indecent Publications Act 1963, the Films Act 1983, and the
Video Recordings Act 1987.

Comprehend?

2. Single set of classification criteria
   A single set of statutory criteria will govern the classification of
films, videos, books, sound recordings, and other publications
(collectively referred to in the Bill as "publications"). The decision to
prohibit or restrict the availability of a publication will be made
according to whether or not the publication is "objectionable" within the
meaning of clause 3. The term "objectionable" replaces the term "indecent"
used in both the Indecent Publication Act 1963 and the Video Recordings
Act 1987. (The Films Act 1983 does not use the term "indecent". Rather the
test is whether or not the exhibition of a film is likely to be injurious
to the public good).
   Clause 3 (3) and (4) set out criteria that are to be taken into account
in determining whether or not any publication (other than a publication
that is deemed by clause 3 (2) to be objectionable) is objectionable or
should be given any other classification.

-- clause 3 (2) includes child pornography, rape and so forth.

Clause 3 (3) requires that particular weight be given to the extent and
degree to which, and the manner in which, the publication--
 (e)  Represents (whether directly or by implication) that members of any
particular class of the public are inherently inferior to other members of
the public by reason of the colour, race, ethnic or national origins, sex,
physical or intellectual capacity, or religious beliefs of the members of
that class:

Clause 3 (4) requires that the following matters shall also be considered:
(a) The dominant effect of the publication as a whole:
(b) The impact of the medium in which the publication is presented:
(c) The character of the publication, including any merit, value, or
importance that the publication has in relation to literary, artistic,
social, cultural, educational, scientific, or other matters:
(d) The persons, classes of persons, or age groups of the persons to whom
the publication is intended or is likely to be made available:
(e) The purpose for which the publication is intended to be used:
(f) -- not needed to quote.

3. Evidence of injury to the public good
Clause 4 relates to the question or not there must be evidence of injury
to the public good before a publication can be classified under the Bill
as objectionable. -- It continues with Case law.

Does the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion do injury to the Jews?

7. Classifications
After examining a publication, and having taken into account the matters
referred to in clause 3 (see above), the Classification Office must
classify the publication as--
(a) Unrestricted; or
(b) Objectionable; or
(c) Objectionable except in any one or more of the followong circumstances:
   (i) If the publication is in the hands of persons who have attained a
specified age:
   (ii) If the publication's circulation is restricted to specified
persons or classes of persons:
   (iii) If the publication is used for one or more specified purposes.
A publication classified under (c) is referred to as restricted publication.

12. Search and seizure
Clause 96 authorises an Inspector of Publications to enter any premises
(other than a private residence) in which films or books are offered for
public supply, or film is exhibited to the public, for the purposes of
ensuring that the provisions of the Bill relating to labelling, and any
conditions imposed pusuant to clause 25, are complied with.
Clauses 99 to 103 provide for the issue of a search warrant to an
Inspector of Publications or a member of the Police. The warrant is
authority to search any place or thing specified in the warrant and to
seiae any thing that there are reasonable grounds to believe is being kept
for the purpose of being so dealt with as to constitute an offence against
clause 113 or clause 114 or clause 117 or clause 119, any thing that there
are reasonable grounds to believe will be evidence of the commission of
such an offence, or any thing that there are reasonable grounds to believe
is intended to be used for the purpose of committing such an offence.

13. Offences
Clauses 113 and 114 relate to the making, copying, supply, and
distribution of objectionable publications.
Clause 117 makes it an offence to exhibit or display an objectionable
publication in or within view of a public place.
Clause 119 makes it an offence to publicly display an objectionable
publication in or within view of a public place.
Clause 121 makes it an offence to possess (please note), without lawful
authority or excuse, an objectionable publication.  The offence is one of
strict liability (I quoted previously), and it is no defence that the
defendant had no knowledge or no reasonable cause to believe that the
publication was objectionable.  The publication need not have been
classified at the time of the commission of the offence.

Brief as I could. You'll have to be satisfied with the explanatory notes. 
The law is even worse for length and verbatim.

Colin.


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ATTN: Nitpicker, er, I mean Tony.

First off quotes from Barry Fell.
America B.C

Chapter 12 The Libyans of Zuni
pp 176 (starting in the middle)

These phonetic rules are the same kind as another series I demonstrated in
1973, linking the Libyan language with that of Polynesia. The Polynesian
people, like the Libyans themselves, are descended from the Anatolian Sea
Peoples who invaded the Mediterranean around 1400 B.C. and, after
attacking Egypt and suffering a series of defeats as the Egyptians record,
eventually settled Libya.  Later the Libyan seamen were employed by the
Pharoahs in the Egyptian fleet, and still later the Libyan chiefs seized
control of Egypt to establish the Libyan dynasties.  Thereafter Libyan
influence spread far and wide, especially in the Indo-Pacific region,
where the Egyptians mined goldm as in Sumatra. During the Ptolemaic period
(after Alexander the Great conquered Egypt) Libyan seamen in the service
of the Greek Pharoahs explored widely, some of them settling parts of the
Pacific.
   The foregoing inferences, based largely on linguistics studies, have
forced us to discard the theory that traced the Polynesian settlements to
supposed immigrants of uncertain origin in East Asia, for the early
Polynesian inscriptions are essentially Libyan both as to the alphabet and
the language. Linguists such as Professor Linus Brunner in Europe and Dr.
Reuel Lochore in New Zealand have found this new interpretation to be
consistent with their own researches into the sources of the languages of
Malaysia and Polynesia (See e.g. Brunner and Schafer, Malayo-Polynesian
Vocabulary (1976)).  It also explains the occurrence of Greek words in
Polynesian tongues.  As Professor Brunner has pointed out, the Greek
colonies in Libya used a dialect of Greek in which certain consonants
replace those of Attic Greek, and it is in the Libyan form that the Greek
words of Polynesia occur.  The Anatolian elements in Polynesia have been
the special study of Lochore, and these too are now seen to be consistent
with a Libyan origin of the Polynesians, for we know from the ancient
Egyptian records that Libya was settled by the Anatolian Sea Peoples.
 
pp 178.

   Phonetic mutation. Over the course of time languages tend to change in
accordance with rather definite rules.  By comparing the original spelling
of words in Coptic (which was written phonetically), and the present day
pronunciation of the corresponding words in Zuni speech. They turn out out
to be almost identical to those already demonstrated for the Polynesian
languages, which are derived from the Egypto-Libyan group, though with a
strong Anatolian element (lacking from Zuni). 

pp 180.  Is particular damning to you.  It contains pictures of
inscriptions in table format (I suggest you read it).
Format of Table:
Sound    Style of Tunisia and Numidia   Style of Libyan settlers of Iowa

Style of Libyan voyagers in Pacific (Ancient Maori) 

-- Note, they are all on one line.

To fit the encapsulation.

Other Libyan inscriptions have been found in Quebec, New Hampshire,
Pennsylvania, and Olkahoma.  They also occur on Pacific Islands and in
Chile. On linguistics grounds Fell derives the Polynesian language from
ancient Libyan (with some Anatolian and Asian elements).

pp 187.  Gives pictures of some artifacts (4)
a. Libyan and occasional polynesian style
b. Polynesian form of mummification of a head (in pottery)
c. A polynesian pectoral
d. an American pectoral derived from the Egyptian pectoral.

My mistake in assuming Barry Fell said the Polynesian languages were
Pheonician/Asian.  They are instead Libyan/Asian.

Oh, Barry Fell in a later book (Bronze Age America) the conclusion that
the Libyans are Nordic.

Also,
Island Kingdom, Tonga Ancient and Modern.  I.C Campbell
page 9.
Is a picture of obvious Libyan architecture (stone) dated 11th century AD.

Also,
My tracking back of the Archeologist.
He is Australian not English. Dr R. Gilroy a self taught archeologist
awarded a doctorate in archeology.  

Also,
To your statement on Barry Fell now being an anthropologist.  Didn't it
ever occur to you he could have asked or is that being too logical?

Colin.


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It's that sad time again.  Yet another University Holiday, which means I
will not be posting for a while.  This message is really for those
liberals that think I will be ducking their flimsy arguments.

Whether I return to an active role is up to debate.  Basically you
liberals are boring, verbose and suffer from an self inflated ego.

I will at some stage post those titles that come under the heading of
natural anthropology.  Give a review of Odd man out, Story of the
Singapore traitor and of course for Tony more details about Dr R. Gilroy
(I'll come over especially to alt.revisionism for you).  All things I said
I will do and unlike liberals I always keep my word.

Colin, Bastard, Asshole, Abomination and Flame Troll.


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ATTN: Nitpicker, er, I mean Tony.

First off quotes from Barry Fell.
America B.C

Chapter 12 The Libyans of Zuni
pp 176 (starting in the middle)

These phonetic rules are the same kind as another series I demonstrated in
1973, linking the Libyan language with that of Polynesia. The Polynesian
people, like the Libyans themselves, are descended from the Anatolian Sea
Peoples who invaded the Mediterranean around 1400 B.C. and, after
attacking Egypt and suffering a series of defeats as the Egyptians record,
eventually settled Libya.  Later the Libyan seamen were employed by the
Pharoahs in the Egyptian fleet, and still later the Libyan chiefs seized
control of Egypt to establish the Libyan dynasties.  Thereafter Libyan
influence spread far and wide, especially in the Indo-Pacific region,
where the Egyptians mined goldm as in Sumatra. During the Ptolemaic period
(after Alexander the Great conquered Egypt) Libyan seamen in the service
of the Greek Pharoahs explored widely, some of them settling parts of the
Pacific.
   The foregoing inferences, based largely on linguistics studies, have
forced us to discard the theory that traced the Polynesian settlements to
supposed immigrants of uncertain origin in East Asia, for the early
Polynesian inscriptions are essentially Libyan both as to the alphabet and
the language. Linguists such as Professor Linus Brunner in Europe and Dr.
Reuel Lochore in New Zealand have found this new interpretation to be
consistent with their own researches into the sources of the languages of
Malaysia and Polynesia (See e.g. Brunner and Schafer, Malayo-Polynesian
Vocabulary (1976)).  It also explains the occurrence of Greek words in
Polynesian tongues.  As Professor Brunner has pointed out, the Greek
colonies in Libya used a dialect of Greek in which certain consonants
replace those of Attic Greek, and it is in the Libyan form that the Greek
words of Polynesia occur.  The Anatolian elements in Polynesia have been
the special study of Lochore, and these too are now seen to be consistent
with a Libyan origin of the Polynesians, for we know from the ancient
Egyptian records that Libya was settled by the Anatolian Sea Peoples.
 
pp 178.

   Phonetic mutation. Over the course of time languages tend to change in
accordance with rather definite rules.  By comparing the original spelling
of words in Coptic (which was written phonetically), and the present day
pronunciation of the corresponding words in Zuni speech. They turn out out
to be almost identical to those already demonstrated for the Polynesian
languages, which are derived from the Egypto-Libyan group, though with a
strong Anatolian element (lacking from Zuni). 

pp 180.  Is particular damning to you.  It contains pictures of
inscriptions in table format (I suggest you read it).
Format of Table:
Sound    Style of Tunisia and Numidia   Style of Libyan settlers of Iowa

Style of Libyan voyagers in Pacific (Ancient Maori) 

-- Note, they are all on one line.

To fit the encapsulation.

Other Libyan inscriptions have been found in Quebec, New Hampshire,
Pennsylvania, and Olkahoma.  They also occur on Pacific Islands and in
Chile. On linguistics grounds Fell derives the Polynesian language from
ancient Libyan (with some Anatolian and Asian elements).

pp 187.  Gives pictures of some artifacts (4)
a. Libyan and occasional polynesian style
b. Polynesian form of mummification of a head (in pottery)
c. A polynesian pectoral
d. an American pectoral derived from the Egyptian pectoral.

My mistake in assuming Barry Fell said the Polynesian languages were
Pheonician/Asian.  They are instead Libyan/Asian.

Oh, Barry Fell in a later book (Bronze Age America) the conclusion that
the Libyans are Nordic.

Also,
Island Kingdom, Tonga Ancient and Modern.  I.C Campbell
page 9.
Is a picture of obvious Libyan architecture (stone) dated 11th century AD.

Also,
My tracking back of the Archeologist.
He is Australian not English. Dr R. Gilroy a self taught archeologist
awarded a doctorate in archeology.  

Also,
To your statement on Barry Fell now being an anthropologist.  Didn't it
ever occur to you he could have asked or is that being too logical?

Colin.


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It's that sad time again.  Yet another University Holiday, which means I
will not be posting for a while.  This message is really for those
liberals that think I will be ducking their flimsy arguments.

Whether I return to an active role is up to debate.  Basically you
liberals are boring, verbose and suffer from an self inflated ego.

I will at some stage post those titles that come under the heading of
natural anthropology.  Give a review of Odd man out, Story of the
Singapore traitor and of course for Tony more details about Dr R. Gilroy
(I'll come over especially to alt.revisionism for you).  All things I said
I will do and unlike liberals I always keep my word.

Colin, Bastard, Asshole, Abomination and Flame Troll.


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> : > : Exactly, that is why we all laugh at you Mike.
> : > 
> : >      C'mon, Colon, yer gonna have to come up with something better than
> : >      that if ya wanna play.
> : > 
> : >      Try REAL hard and come back when you have something funny, other than
> : >      your personal hygine.
> : > 
> : I don't have to try to hard for you Mike.  So far I rate you as the most
> : pathetic poster I have ever seen.  Lzaird scraps the bottom of the barrel,
> : however you are under the barrel. I normally only reply to you when I am
> : extremely bored.  You post the most dribble and useless flames ever to be
> : seen. My comment was sufficient for someone of your intellect and/or
> : maturity level. Perhaps you are on the crew with Jeanne to spend all
> : summer devising better ways to flame me?  Unfortunately for you, you would
> : need years.
> 
>    Yada yada yada.
> 
>    Flames scortching yer ass so bad you have to pretend you're ignoring me?
> 
>    I thought that was Lyin' Davey Padgett's (formly Lead-Brained Les') tactic?
> 
>    Thanks for all the proof anyone needs that I'm winning!
> 
> Mike "Racists: 0, Flamers: 1" Beebe

I didn't realize there was a contest.  Maybe I should start trying to
flame for once.  By the way Mike it is you that ignores me.  I start an
argument with you and you disappear to some other thread. I have commented
on your tactic before.  And you still haven't told me how you classify an
expert.  So who is avoiding whom? I hope you are not going to hide under a
rock again.

Colin.


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> >> It's that sad time again.  Yet another University Holiday, which means I
> >> will not be posting for a while.  This message is really for those
> >> liberals that think I will be ducking their flimsy arguments.
> 
> >It's amazing what they're letting into university these days. I
> >guess they don't have literacy proficiency standards anymore.
> 
>    Getting into University, assuming you can afford it, is fairly easy
> in New Zealand. And, yes, the poor literacy of first-year students has
> been noted.
> 
What a bunch of backstabbers.  Are you a loser all the time or do you have
the ocassional break?

Last time I looked at my papers they read fourth year (graduate study) but
heh, Liberals continue to make accurate assumptions.

Colin.

P.S Only came in because of prior commitment.  Continue your cowardly ways.


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> > It's that sad time again.  Yet another University Holiday, which means I
> > will not be posting for a while.  This message is really for those
> > liberals that think I will be ducking their flimsy arguments.
> 
> Interpretation: Sparky is taking some time off to get his medication
> readjusted and to go through another cycle of electroshock treatments.

I follow a different lifestyle to you Jeanne.  Just because you do the
above in your holidays does not mean anyone else does.  We don't all
follow your lifestyle.

> 
> > Whether I return to an active role is up to debate.  Basically you
> > liberals are boring, verbose and suffer from an self inflated ego.
> 
> Interpretation: When Sparky finally locates and removes that microchip
> implanted in his butt that makes him write such bizarre and contradictory
> messages, he may come back online. Those damned liberals with their
> attention spans and propensity to throw his words back at him won't let
> him get away with anything.
>
Again, just because you have a microchip implanted in your butt does not
mean anybody else does.  Is that microchip there to stop you from
committing suicide (was it a full frontal lobotamy?).
 
> > I will at some stage post those titles that come under the heading of
> > natural anthropology.  Give a review of Odd man out, Story of the
> > Singapore traitor and of course for Tony more details about Dr R. Gilroy
> > (I'll come over especially to alt.revisionism for you).  All things I said
> > I will do and unlike liberals I always keep my word.
> 
> Interpretation: He'll be going to different newsgroups, where people won't
> realize he's a wacko for a few days.
>
To act like a liberal. Please cite this information.

You know Jeanne, even at backstabbing you are hopeless.

Colin.


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> Apparently you're not aware that there are postal services in 
> most countries -- I suspect New Zealand is one of them -- which 
> would enable you to have trained postal workers convey your very 
> own copy from another country to your very door.
> 
> Or, if you have heard about mail, stop whining.

The original implication of what I said has long since gone.

Colin.


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> >I didn't realize there was a contest.  Maybe I should start trying to
> >flame for once.  By the way Mike it is you that ignores me.  I start an
> >argument with you and you disappear to some other thread. I have commented
> >on your tactic before.  And you still haven't told me how you classify an
> >expert.  So who is avoiding whom? I hope you are not going to hide under a
> >rock again.
> 
> Oh yeah, there is... who can make the Nazis look worst!  The rules are 
> simple...a Nazi posts, and us zany lib'rals tear it to shreads like 
> pirannah.  When was Mike ever hiding under a rock, as far as I can tell, 
> he's been a pretty frequent poster since I started reading this NG, 
> you're the one that's on again off again. 

Mike has this frequent ability of not replying to me.  
It goes like this:

Mike: tries to flame me
Colin: Responds.
Mike: No reply, no nothing. 
Colin (back at beginning): Restates the message differently hoping Mike
would return.
Mike: Still nothing.

Nowadays I don't bother with stage 2.  I already know Mike will not respond.
As for being on again off again, if you were more interesting I would make
it worth my while posting on my "off" days.

> Go ahead and flame Colin, but 
> why?  You suck!  You can't even get your own arguments straight...most 
> of them seem to be a result of some serious chemistry.
> 
Ha ha ha.  If I played by your argument rules I would lose.  However, I
don't which means you have absolutely no idea how to respond.  For a wee
clue into my argument style you should read Florence Litteuer's
Personality books under the definition of "choleric", it won't help you,
but you might be able to understand my tactics. You might (one can only
hope) even understand why I don't bother giving references (I severely
doubt your intellect could comprehend it, that goes for the rest of the
liberals as well).

Colin.


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> > >I didn't realize there was a contest.  Maybe I should start trying to
> > >flame for once.  By the way Mike it is you that ignores me.  I start an
> > >argument with you and you disappear to some other thread. I have commented
> > >on your tactic before.  And you still haven't told me how you classify an
> > >expert.  So who is avoiding whom? I hope you are not going to hide under a
> > >rock again.
> > 
> > Oh yeah, there is... who can make the Nazis look worst!  The rules are 
> > simple...a Nazi posts, and us zany lib'rals tear it to shreads like 
> > pirannah.  When was Mike ever hiding under a rock, as far as I can tell, 
> > he's been a pretty frequent poster since I started reading this NG, 
> > you're the one that's on again off again. 
> 
> Mike has this frequent ability of not replying to me.  
> It goes like this:
> 
> Mike: tries to flame me
> Colin: Responds.
> Mike: No reply, no nothing. 
> Colin (back at beginning): Restates the message differently hoping Mike
> would return.
> Mike: Still nothing.
> 
> Nowadays I don't bother with stage 2.  I already know Mike will not respond.
> As for being on again off again, if you were more interesting I would make
> it worth my while posting on my "off" days.
> 
> > Go ahead and flame Colin, but 
> > why?  You suck!  You can't even get your own arguments straight...most 
> > of them seem to be a result of some serious chemistry.
> > 
> Ha ha ha.  If I played by your argument rules I would lose.  However, I
> don't which means you have absolutely no idea how to respond.  For a wee
> clue into my argument style you should read Florence Litteuer's
> Personality books under the definition of "choleric", it won't help you,
> but you might be able to understand my tactics. You might (one can only
> hope) even understand why I don't bother giving references (I severely
> doubt your intellect could comprehend it, that goes for the rest of the
> liberals as well).

I had better explain your argument rules otherwise you might get the wrong
impression (you have yet to show any ability to think laterally).  Every
liberal thus far sets the guidelines on arguments.  Normally associated
with a response like "If you believe this  then you are an idiot". 
By so doing you are setting the boundaries for an argument.  Thus
restricting the movement of the other argumentor.  You do so to win an
argument, not by ability, but by crowd motivating tactics.  You need the
crowd to ally yourself too.  Your comments like "Our friends mock you" are
an illustration of this style. To go against the crowd is to call oneself
an idiot (by the definition of your rules).  This tactic normally works as
the recipient does not like the prospect of looking foolish even he be
right.  Unfortunately for people like yourself the aforementioned tactic
doesn't work with people who have similar personality to myself.  Hence
your above comment.  

Colin.


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> > One day
> > He will do as he promised in Isa.34:5
> 
> OK, Rev. Ron: How about quoting something from the *New* Testament?
> 
Jame 1:1 "To the the twelve tribes..."

> Or do you rely on a Jewish text?

Judaean text?  You'll note that Proselytes were still forbidden at this
time period (John Hycanus the High Priest hadn't been born).  

Have you a problem with the "old" testament?
> 
> Want a CHRISTIAN warrior? Look at Ephesians 6:10-20...
> 
> And, Rev. Ron, you haven't explained Colossians 3:8-11:
> "But now put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and foul talk
> from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off
> the old nature with its practices and have put on the new nature, which is
> being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. Here there
> cannot be Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian,
> Scythian, slave, free man, but Christ is all, and in all."
> 
Greek: Ever heard of say the Lacedomians?
Jew: Judaean anybody?
Scythian: Sakae Scythian anybody?
barbarian: ditto.
circumised and uncircumised: ditto.
slave: ditto.
free man: ditto.
Christ: Christos which means anointed.  , "but anointed is all, and in
all."  For further clues as too anointed people, here are some anointed
people: Isaac, Jacob (Israel), King Saul, King David and of course Iesous
(Jesus).  Only by the context can you tell which "anointed" christos
refers too.  I can equally claim the translation "but Israel is all, and
in all."

Also note "renewed in knowledge."  Therefore they must have had knowledge
once otherwise it surely couldn't be renewed. Or is that too logical?

> You're supposed to out off the old nature. That means the Old Testament,
> Isaiah-Boy...

Who put the term old and new testament in the bible? To whom did the
apostles/early church "preach" from? Surely they didn't have the new
testament then. How many times does the "new" testament quote the "old"
testament anyway? How much new stuff is in the "new" testament? Surely if
there is a new testament then surely the testator of the new testament is
dead.

To whom was Galations written? Hint: Galations is a Greek word which
referred to people of two places. Both of the same race, the original
Galations went on a war path from somewhere to somewhere else (being vague
on purpose).  Julius Ceasar fought them and eventually conquered them. In
the Latin they are called ..... and we mustn't forget that popular comic
book series about the village that had the magic potion.   Is this blunt
enough without giving away the answer?  Which reminds me, what race were
these Galations?  Don't forget Paul wrote to them (he being of Benjamin)
and that by the text we know they were Israel.

Colin.


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Subject: Re: To lzaird...
Date: 4 Jul 1995 01:50:02 GMT
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> >Hey bud! Finish what you started. If I don't hear a response from you 
> >about the "black Egyptians" claim, I will assume you do not agree with 
> >the claim of a black Egypt anymore.
> 
> Still believe it... As I have said, and I'm running around in circles 
> here, responding to your juvenile bullshit (what, no "your momma" 
> jokes?), I believe the majority of Ancient Egyptians were black, and the 
> reason that the Nubians are a minority now is because of migration, 
> invasion, climate changes, there's a thousand factors.  Your assertion 
> that the Egyptians there now are somehow "pure", and the same as the 
> ones that were living there in the year 2000bc is naive.  The current 
> Egyptian population is made up of Greek, Islamic, Arabic, French, all 
> sorts of races.  Egypt was invaded several times in the last 2000 
> years.  If you don't believe me explain how all the gods are so dark, 
> and explain why King Tut's death mask has features similar to a Somolian.

When did King Tutakamen's aquiline nose to a flat negro nose?  Why does
his mask imply straight hair and not the negro hair style?  If you wish to
argue that they shaved their heads and wore wigs ok, why did they want to
be recognised as having striaght hair? Just where are these Somolian
features on his death mask? Does his jaw meet the specification, cheek
bones, lips? 

When did their God's become dark? They have animal heads, but their torso
implies a pinkish skin, sometimes represented as brown (but never black)
as in a suntan.  If you go back even further to some of the old temples
(for example the one near the Sphinx) we get the symbol of Virgo as a
"white" women (Bullinger "Guide to the Stars") as well as other human
figures of the Zodiac of the Egyptian Gods/Goddesses being white (they
don't have the characteristic animal headed figures). Bullinger's Guide to
the Stars is not about Astrology.  He goes into depth about the history of
the Zodiac symbols. 

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Fri Jul  7 17:33:33 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Why bother?
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 10:31:47 +1200
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> >I didn't realize there was a contest.  Maybe I should start trying to
> >flame for once.  By the way Mike it is you that ignores me.  I start an
> >argument with you and you disappear to some other thread. I have commented
> >on your tactic before.  And you still haven't told me how you classify an
> >expert.  So who is avoiding whom? I hope you are not going to hide under a
> >rock again.
> 
> Oh yeah, there is... who can make the Nazis look worst!  The rules are 
> simple...a Nazi posts, and us zany lib'rals tear it to shreads like 
> pirannah.  When was Mike ever hiding under a rock, as far as I can tell, 
> he's been a pretty frequent poster since I started reading this NG, 
> you're the one that's on again off again. 

Mike has this frequent ability of not replying to me.  
It goes like this:

Mike: tries to flame me
Colin: Responds.
Mike: No reply, no nothing. 
Colin (back at beginning): Restates the message differently hoping Mike
would return.
Mike: Still nothing.

Nowadays I don't bother with stage 2.  I already know Mike will not respond.
As for being on again off again, if you were more interesting I would make
it worth my while posting on my "off" days.

> Go ahead and flame Colin, but 
> why?  You suck!  You can't even get your own arguments straight...most 
> of them seem to be a result of some serious chemistry.
> 
Ha ha ha.  If I played by your argument rules I would lose.  However, I
don't which means you have absolutely no idea how to respond.  For a wee
clue into my argument style you should read Florence Litteuer's
Personality books under the definition of "choleric", it won't help you,
but you might be able to understand my tactics. You might (one can only
hope) even understand why I don't bother giving references (I severely
doubt your intellect could comprehend it, that goes for the rest of the
liberals as well).

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Why bother?
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> > >I didn't realize there was a contest.  Maybe I should start trying to
> > >flame for once.  By the way Mike it is you that ignores me.  I start an
> > >argument with you and you disappear to some other thread. I have commented
> > >on your tactic before.  And you still haven't told me how you classify an
> > >expert.  So who is avoiding whom? I hope you are not going to hide under a
> > >rock again.
> > 
> > Oh yeah, there is... who can make the Nazis look worst!  The rules are 
> > simple...a Nazi posts, and us zany lib'rals tear it to shreads like 
> > pirannah.  When was Mike ever hiding under a rock, as far as I can tell, 
> > he's been a pretty frequent poster since I started reading this NG, 
> > you're the one that's on again off again. 
> 
> Mike has this frequent ability of not replying to me.  
> It goes like this:
> 
> Mike: tries to flame me
> Colin: Responds.
> Mike: No reply, no nothing. 
> Colin (back at beginning): Restates the message differently hoping Mike
> would return.
> Mike: Still nothing.
> 
> Nowadays I don't bother with stage 2.  I already know Mike will not respond.
> As for being on again off again, if you were more interesting I would make
> it worth my while posting on my "off" days.
> 
> > Go ahead and flame Colin, but 
> > why?  You suck!  You can't even get your own arguments straight...most 
> > of them seem to be a result of some serious chemistry.
> > 
> Ha ha ha.  If I played by your argument rules I would lose.  However, I
> don't which means you have absolutely no idea how to respond.  For a wee
> clue into my argument style you should read Florence Litteuer's
> Personality books under the definition of "choleric", it won't help you,
> but you might be able to understand my tactics. You might (one can only
> hope) even understand why I don't bother giving references (I severely
> doubt your intellect could comprehend it, that goes for the rest of the
> liberals as well).

I had better explain your argument rules otherwise you might get the wrong
impression (you have yet to show any ability to think laterally).  Every
liberal thus far sets the guidelines on arguments.  Normally associated
with a response like "If you believe this  then you are an idiot". 
By so doing you are setting the boundaries for an argument.  Thus
restricting the movement of the other argumentor.  You do so to win an
argument, not by ability, but by crowd motivating tactics.  You need the
crowd to ally yourself too.  Your comments like "Our friends mock you" are
an illustration of this style. To go against the crowd is to call oneself
an idiot (by the definition of your rules).  This tactic normally works as
the recipient does not like the prospect of looking foolish even he be
right.  Unfortunately for people like yourself the aforementioned tactic
doesn't work with people who have similar personality to myself.  Hence
your above comment.  

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jul  8 04:07:19 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Why bother?
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> >I didn't realize there was a contest.  Maybe I should start trying to
> >flame for once.  By the way Mike it is you that ignores me.  I start an
> >argument with you and you disappear to some other thread. I have commented
> >on your tactic before.  And you still haven't told me how you classify an
> >expert.  So who is avoiding whom? I hope you are not going to hide under a
> >rock again.
> 
> Oh yeah, there is... who can make the Nazis look worst!  The rules are 
> simple...a Nazi posts, and us zany lib'rals tear it to shreads like 
> pirannah.  When was Mike ever hiding under a rock, as far as I can tell, 
> he's been a pretty frequent poster since I started reading this NG, 
> you're the one that's on again off again. 

Mike has this frequent ability of not replying to me.  
It goes like this:

Mike: tries to flame me
Colin: Responds.
Mike: No reply, no nothing. 
Colin (back at beginning): Restates the message differently hoping Mike
would return.
Mike: Still nothing.

Nowadays I don't bother with stage 2.  I already know Mike will not respond.
As for being on again off again, if you were more interesting I would make
it worth my while posting on my "off" days.

> Go ahead and flame Colin, but 
> why?  You suck!  You can't even get your own arguments straight...most 
> of them seem to be a result of some serious chemistry.
> 
Ha ha ha.  If I played by your argument rules I would lose.  However, I
don't which means you have absolutely no idea how to respond.  For a wee
clue into my argument style you should read Florence Litteuer's
Personality books under the definition of "choleric", it won't help you,
but you might be able to understand my tactics. You might (one can only
hope) even understand why I don't bother giving references (I severely
doubt your intellect could comprehend it, that goes for the rest of the
liberals as well).

Colin.


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> > >I didn't realize there was a contest.  Maybe I should start trying to
> > >flame for once.  By the way Mike it is you that ignores me.  I start an
> > >argument with you and you disappear to some other thread. I have commented
> > >on your tactic before.  And you still haven't told me how you classify an
> > >expert.  So who is avoiding whom? I hope you are not going to hide under a
> > >rock again.
> > 
> > Oh yeah, there is... who can make the Nazis look worst!  The rules are 
> > simple...a Nazi posts, and us zany lib'rals tear it to shreads like 
> > pirannah.  When was Mike ever hiding under a rock, as far as I can tell, 
> > he's been a pretty frequent poster since I started reading this NG, 
> > you're the one that's on again off again. 
> 
> Mike has this frequent ability of not replying to me.  
> It goes like this:
> 
> Mike: tries to flame me
> Colin: Responds.
> Mike: No reply, no nothing. 
> Colin (back at beginning): Restates the message differently hoping Mike
> would return.
> Mike: Still nothing.
> 
> Nowadays I don't bother with stage 2.  I already know Mike will not respond.
> As for being on again off again, if you were more interesting I would make
> it worth my while posting on my "off" days.
> 
> > Go ahead and flame Colin, but 
> > why?  You suck!  You can't even get your own arguments straight...most 
> > of them seem to be a result of some serious chemistry.
> > 
> Ha ha ha.  If I played by your argument rules I would lose.  However, I
> don't which means you have absolutely no idea how to respond.  For a wee
> clue into my argument style you should read Florence Litteuer's
> Personality books under the definition of "choleric", it won't help you,
> but you might be able to understand my tactics. You might (one can only
> hope) even understand why I don't bother giving references (I severely
> doubt your intellect could comprehend it, that goes for the rest of the
> liberals as well).

I had better explain your argument rules otherwise you might get the wrong
impression (you have yet to show any ability to think laterally).  Every
liberal thus far sets the guidelines on arguments.  Normally associated
with a response like "If you believe this  then you are an idiot". 
By so doing you are setting the boundaries for an argument.  Thus
restricting the movement of the other argumentor.  You do so to win an
argument, not by ability, but by crowd motivating tactics.  You need the
crowd to ally yourself too.  Your comments like "Our friends mock you" are
an illustration of this style. To go against the crowd is to call oneself
an idiot (by the definition of your rules).  This tactic normally works as
the recipient does not like the prospect of looking foolish even he be
right.  Unfortunately for people like yourself the aforementioned tactic
doesn't work with people who have similar personality to myself.  Hence
your above comment.  

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Talmud Teachings
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:04:52 +1200
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> And the way some goyim use 'Jew' it also sounds like filth.
> 
The term would be parasite.  The 1950's Webster Dictionary under the
heading parasite lists in the definition: Jew.

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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> >|      We are also told in San. 55b, "A maiden aged three years and a
> >|      day may be aquired in marriage by coition."
> >
> >| That is quite true, theoretically!  
> >
> >       If Mr. Katz believes this, he's a pervert.
> 
>     If Mr. Anonymous and Ben Johnson believe this (which they obviously
> do), they obviously haven't read Deuteronomy 22:28-29.  The plain text of
> the Bible sets no age limit, so without the oral tradition of the Talmud a
> one-day-old infant could be acquired in marriage by coition under 
> the terms of this law.
> 
>     Since Ben Johnson claims to be a devout follower of Jesus, and since
> Ben Johnson rejects the Talmud as the "doctrines of men" condemned by
> Jesus, and since Jesus claimed the Torah as valid and as validation of his
> own status, I would like to hear how Mr. Johnson avoids admitting that
> logically he must believe that one-day-old girls may be acquired in
> marriage by coition. 
> 
So a one day year old can breed?  Can for that matter a three year old
girl breed?  The quote from the Talmud also seems to indicate that coition
of a three minus year old girl is permissible (she doesn't lose her
virginity) or is that too logical?

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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In article ,
jonathac@sepa.tudelft.nl (Mr. Toad) wrote:

> In article  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
(Benjamin Johnson) writes:
> 
> [Repetition off out-of-context and fabricated Talmudic text deleted]
> 

Isn't what you just wrote a contradiction?  How can it be both
out-of-context and fabricated?

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) Commenting on the Talmud...
>So a one day year old can breed?  Can for that matter a three year old
>girl breed?

Who knows, Colin, it wasn't the Jews who promoted the idea of virgin
conception.

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> > Question Alexander:  When was the Socino (English translation) of the
> > Talmud proved to be a forgery -- especially since it was translated by
> > Jews?
> 
> I've told you before, Mr McKinstry, we stock a number of publications which 
> deal with this and the Protocols. Send me a cheque and I will lighten your
> darkness, but if you continue to make public pronouncements on this subject
> without doing your homework you will look an even bigger arsehole than you
> are.
> 
Mr Baron, I was waiting for such a reply:

The official unabridged Soncino Edition of the Talmud published in 1935
was "Translated into English with Notes, Glossary and Indices" by such
eminent Talmudic Scholars as Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein, Rabbi Dr. Samuel
Daiches, Rabbi Dr. Israel W. Slotki, M. A., Litt.D., The Reverend Dr. A.
Cohen, M.A',Ph.D., and other celebrated Talmudic scholars as E.W. Kirzner,
M.A., Ph.D., M.Sc., Jacob Schater, A. Mishcon, A. Cohen, M.A., Ph.D.,
Maurice Simon, M.A., and the Very Reverend the Chief Rabbi Dr. J.H. Hertz
wrote the "Foreword" for the Soncino Edition of the Talmud.  The Very
Reverend Rabbi Hertz was at the time the Chief Rabbi of England.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:42:42 +0100
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> 
>     Ben Johnson has repeatedly been challenged to produce a single example
> of a Jew who has actually married a three-year-old girl.  He has failed to
> do so.  If the rabbis really thought it was a perfectly acceptable thing,
> why is it so hard for him to find an example of it really happening? 
> 
Let me quote one from your very Talmud:

Yebamoth, 60b. "As R. Joshua b. Levi related: 'There was a certain town in
the Land of Israel the legitimacy of whose inhabitants was disputed, and
Rabbi sent R. Ramanos who conducted an enquiry and found in it the
daughter of a proselyte who was under the age of three years and one day
(14), and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest (15)."

(footnotes)

"(13) A proselyte under the age of three years and one day may be married
by a priest.
(14) And was married to a priest.
(15) i.e., permitted to continue to live with her husband"

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
Date: 17 Jul 1995 06:37:28 GMT
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> >|      We are also told in San. 55b, "A maiden aged three years and a
> >|      day may be aquired in marriage by coition."
> >
> >| That is quite true, theoretically!  
> >
> >       If Mr. Katz believes this, he's a pervert.
> 
>     If Mr. Anonymous and Ben Johnson believe this (which they obviously
> do), they obviously haven't read Deuteronomy 22:28-29.  The plain text of
> the Bible sets no age limit, so without the oral tradition of the Talmud a
> one-day-old infant could be acquired in marriage by coition under 
> the terms of this law.
> 
>     Since Ben Johnson claims to be a devout follower of Jesus, and since
> Ben Johnson rejects the Talmud as the "doctrines of men" condemned by
> Jesus, and since Jesus claimed the Torah as valid and as validation of his
> own status, I would like to hear how Mr. Johnson avoids admitting that
> logically he must believe that one-day-old girls may be acquired in
> marriage by coition. 
> 
So a one day year old can breed?  Can for that matter a three year old
girl breed?  The quote from the Talmud also seems to indicate that coition
of a three minus year old girl is permissible (she doesn't lose her
virginity) or is that too logical?

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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In article ,
jonathac@sepa.tudelft.nl (Mr. Toad) wrote:

> In article  bjohnson@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu
(Benjamin Johnson) writes:
> 
> [Repetition off out-of-context and fabricated Talmudic text deleted]
> 

Isn't what you just wrote a contradiction?  How can it be both
out-of-context and fabricated?

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) Commenting on the Talmud...
>So a one day year old can breed?  Can for that matter a three year old
>girl breed?

Who knows, Colin, it wasn't the Jews who promoted the idea of virgin
conception.

-- 
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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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> > Question Alexander:  When was the Socino (English translation) of the
> > Talmud proved to be a forgery -- especially since it was translated by
> > Jews?
> 
> I've told you before, Mr McKinstry, we stock a number of publications which 
> deal with this and the Protocols. Send me a cheque and I will lighten your
> darkness, but if you continue to make public pronouncements on this subject
> without doing your homework you will look an even bigger arsehole than you
> are.
> 
Mr Baron, I was waiting for such a reply:

The official unabridged Soncino Edition of the Talmud published in 1935
was "Translated into English with Notes, Glossary and Indices" by such
eminent Talmudic Scholars as Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein, Rabbi Dr. Samuel
Daiches, Rabbi Dr. Israel W. Slotki, M. A., Litt.D., The Reverend Dr. A.
Cohen, M.A',Ph.D., and other celebrated Talmudic scholars as E.W. Kirzner,
M.A., Ph.D., M.Sc., Jacob Schater, A. Mishcon, A. Cohen, M.A., Ph.D.,
Maurice Simon, M.A., and the Very Reverend the Chief Rabbi Dr. J.H. Hertz
wrote the "Foreword" for the Soncino Edition of the Talmud.  The Very
Reverend Rabbi Hertz was at the time the Chief Rabbi of England.

Colin.


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>    Liberals seem to imply that they are intelligent.  Something I quite
>    happily pick on.  Admittly I have used it reasonably often.  But are you
>    complaining that you cannot handle it?  Hit a sore nerve?
>    
> Pick away.
> 
> When are you going to recant your assertion that the "Protocols of the
> Learned Elders of Zion" are illegal to possess in NZ, given that the
> library at the University of Auckland has them on the shelves?

For those that came in late:
When I first mentioned the Protocols back in April I mentioned where I
read it.  Which was in the University of Auckland's library.  Also from
the email from J Brown the listings show "restricted" in it's category. 
Please explain?
> 
>    So you have read Florence's personality books?
>     
> Would you care to provide a more explicit cite, say, an ISBN number and a
> title or two? Searches for Flo's works in a few university libraries drew
> a blank.
> 
Ever heard of the proverb about entering into an existing argument is like
grabbing a dog by the ears?

You probably need the last name Litteuer to find anything on her works
(Florence is her first name).  Two books are Personality Plus and
Personality Tree.  I don't go around memorising ISBN numbers I'm afraid.

>    > Colin, you're boring as hell...
>    > 
>    Didn't know hell was boring.  Been there have we?  Got any postcards?
> 
> Seen it. Been there. Done that. Bought a T-shirt. Didn't like the way your
> dad ran the place, so I came back.
> 
> What the hell. One cheezy joke deserves another.
> 
Did my father have anything to say? Any words of wisdom?

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> > > I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> > > any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> > > OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> > > 
> > I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
> > and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
> > to post no more after they had discussions with me.  
> 
> Have you considered that you've been added to the killfiles of many of
> these posters, or that they have better things to do than respond to your
> mind-numbing, bandwidth-wasting, reality-impaired drivel?
> 
Some how the newsreader that I use wouldn't doesn't care about your
excuse.  If they post here I will see it.
  
> > Admittly since I don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim
> > any medals of victory.
> 
> There you go again, Colin, confusing "boring to tears" with "tearing
> shreads (sic)". You may be a contender for Kook of the Month or the newly
> created Colin Brainfart Award (tm) for the many posts in which people say,
> "What in the hell was that?" after reading your words.
>
This the new tactic -- boring?  What a bunch of hypocrites.  Once you have said
it twice it becomes boring.  But no, a liberal doesn't think (?) like
this, they like to go on and on like a scratched record.
 
> Why don't you just waddle on over to alt.conspiracy, Colin? You will find
> plenty of like-minded wackos who will agree with you. One poster has even
> been ranting about censorship in New Zealand. They would love to read
> about your depth of knowledge about anthropology, hematology, and Grimm's
> Fairy Tales.
>
It has  never interested me Jeanne.  Remember the title of this Newsgroup
-- white-power?
  
> > Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
> > Jeanne though.  
> 
> Whoever decides to flame your posts does it for their own reasons. I have
> no knowledge of a specialized group of flamers, unless it is part of the
> Joo conspiracy. Although I am on the Fluffy-Headed Liberals Pom-Pom Squad
> (tm), I am not an agent of Z.O.G.
>
So you are taking back your comments from "Goose-steppin Sheep?" in which
you stated the above.  
   
> > Could you hurry it up Jeanne?
> 
> Yeah, right. I'll stack up my invisible friends against your invisible
> friends and see who does the best flaming.  
> 
They say american children have a fixation with invisible friends.

Colin.

Stereotypes are accurate; but not precise -- Young Ho

There is an equal percentage of white crime than black crime if not more so
 -- Sub-Genius

It's out-of-context and a fabrication -- Harry


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> >> I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> >> any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> >> OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> >> 
> >I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
> >and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
> >to post no more after they had discussions with me.  Admittly since I
> >don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim any medals of
> >victory.
> 
>   Open wide for your dose of reality.  I haven't been on this NG for a while 
> because I was on a trip to the US.  Better put those "medals of victory" away,
> little one.  
> 
You mean I finally goaded you back.  Now I get to laugh at you (a lot).  I
did not realize your psychiatrist lived in the U.S.  I hope you are well
now.  If not, can we expect you to disappear again for months?

>   Pyramid00 probably realized that he was attempting to debate with morons...
> 
Unlikely, few things went through Pyramid00 head.

> >Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
> >Jeanne though.  Could you hurry it up Jeanne?
> 
>   Ah- you have your appointment with the sheep to keep....
> 
You had probably best to talk to Asharte about sheep.  She is the current
expert on them.  Then again Asharte hasn't been around since our argument
... too bad.

Colin.


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> I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> 
I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
to post no more after they had discussions with me.  Admittly since I
don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim any medals of
victory.

Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
Jeanne though.  Could you hurry it up Jeanne?

Colin.


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> > If Tim Mcveigh and Susan Smith had a son, would he be God?
> 
> I dunno, Wyatt, you're starting to lose me here...
> 
> I mean, stupidity is one thing, but when you start getting incoherent
> I get worried...
> 
> Jenn
> Who could learn to love stupid people, if only because they're so easy
> to make fun of...

You mean you don't love yourself yet?  I'll take back my comment of
liberals having self inflated egos.  Then again I have come across a few
liberals that hate themselves (Bearcat and so forth).

Colin.


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>    Liberals seem to imply that they are intelligent.  Something I quite
>    happily pick on.  Admittly I have used it reasonably often.  But are you
>    complaining that you cannot handle it?  Hit a sore nerve?
>    
> Pick away.
> 
> When are you going to recant your assertion that the "Protocols of the
> Learned Elders of Zion" are illegal to possess in NZ, given that the
> library at the University of Auckland has them on the shelves?

For those that came in late:
When I first mentioned the Protocols back in April I mentioned where I
read it.  Which was in the University of Auckland's library.  Also from
the email from J Brown the listings show "restricted" in it's category. 
Please explain?
> 
>    So you have read Florence's personality books?
>     
> Would you care to provide a more explicit cite, say, an ISBN number and a
> title or two? Searches for Flo's works in a few university libraries drew
> a blank.
> 
Ever heard of the proverb about entering into an existing argument is like
grabbing a dog by the ears?

You probably need the last name Litteuer to find anything on her works
(Florence is her first name).  Two books are Personality Plus and
Personality Tree.  I don't go around memorising ISBN numbers I'm afraid.

>    > Colin, you're boring as hell...
>    > 
>    Didn't know hell was boring.  Been there have we?  Got any postcards?
> 
> Seen it. Been there. Done that. Bought a T-shirt. Didn't like the way your
> dad ran the place, so I came back.
> 
> What the hell. One cheezy joke deserves another.
> 
Did my father have anything to say? Any words of wisdom?

Colin.


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> > > I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> > > any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> > > OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> > > 
> > I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
> > and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
> > to post no more after they had discussions with me.  
> 
> Have you considered that you've been added to the killfiles of many of
> these posters, or that they have better things to do than respond to your
> mind-numbing, bandwidth-wasting, reality-impaired drivel?
> 
Some how the newsreader that I use wouldn't doesn't care about your
excuse.  If they post here I will see it.
  
> > Admittly since I don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim
> > any medals of victory.
> 
> There you go again, Colin, confusing "boring to tears" with "tearing
> shreads (sic)". You may be a contender for Kook of the Month or the newly
> created Colin Brainfart Award (tm) for the many posts in which people say,
> "What in the hell was that?" after reading your words.
>
This the new tactic -- boring?  What a bunch of hypocrites.  Once you have said
it twice it becomes boring.  But no, a liberal doesn't think (?) like
this, they like to go on and on like a scratched record.
 
> Why don't you just waddle on over to alt.conspiracy, Colin? You will find
> plenty of like-minded wackos who will agree with you. One poster has even
> been ranting about censorship in New Zealand. They would love to read
> about your depth of knowledge about anthropology, hematology, and Grimm's
> Fairy Tales.
>
It has  never interested me Jeanne.  Remember the title of this Newsgroup
-- white-power?
  
> > Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
> > Jeanne though.  
> 
> Whoever decides to flame your posts does it for their own reasons. I have
> no knowledge of a specialized group of flamers, unless it is part of the
> Joo conspiracy. Although I am on the Fluffy-Headed Liberals Pom-Pom Squad
> (tm), I am not an agent of Z.O.G.
>
So you are taking back your comments from "Goose-steppin Sheep?" in which
you stated the above.  
   
> > Could you hurry it up Jeanne?
> 
> Yeah, right. I'll stack up my invisible friends against your invisible
> friends and see who does the best flaming.  
> 
They say american children have a fixation with invisible friends.

Colin.

Stereotypes are accurate; but not precise -- Young Ho

There is an equal percentage of white crime than black crime if not more so
 -- Sub-Genius

It's out-of-context and a fabrication -- Harry


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jul 20 20:01:09 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
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> >> I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> >> any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> >> OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> >> 
> >I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
> >and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
> >to post no more after they had discussions with me.  Admittly since I
> >don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim any medals of
> >victory.
> 
>   Open wide for your dose of reality.  I haven't been on this NG for a while 
> because I was on a trip to the US.  Better put those "medals of victory" away,
> little one.  
> 
You mean I finally goaded you back.  Now I get to laugh at you (a lot).  I
did not realize your psychiatrist lived in the U.S.  I hope you are well
now.  If not, can we expect you to disappear again for months?

>   Pyramid00 probably realized that he was attempting to debate with morons...
> 
Unlikely, few things went through Pyramid00 head.

> >Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
> >Jeanne though.  Could you hurry it up Jeanne?
> 
>   Ah- you have your appointment with the sheep to keep....
> 
You had probably best to talk to Asharte about sheep.  She is the current
expert on them.  Then again Asharte hasn't been around since our argument
... too bad.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jul 20 20:01:12 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> 
I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
to post no more after they had discussions with me.  Admittly since I
don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim any medals of
victory.

Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
Jeanne though.  Could you hurry it up Jeanne?

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jul 20 22:04:08 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> > > I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> > > any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> > > OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> > > 
> > I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
> > and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
> > to post no more after they had discussions with me.  
> 
> Have you considered that you've been added to the killfiles of many of
> these posters, or that they have better things to do than respond to your
> mind-numbing, bandwidth-wasting, reality-impaired drivel?
> 
Some how the newsreader that I use wouldn't doesn't care about your
excuse.  If they post here I will see it.
  
> > Admittly since I don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim
> > any medals of victory.
> 
> There you go again, Colin, confusing "boring to tears" with "tearing
> shreads (sic)". You may be a contender for Kook of the Month or the newly
> created Colin Brainfart Award (tm) for the many posts in which people say,
> "What in the hell was that?" after reading your words.
>
This the new tactic -- boring?  What a bunch of hypocrites.  Once you have said
it twice it becomes boring.  But no, a liberal doesn't think (?) like
this, they like to go on and on like a scratched record.
 
> Why don't you just waddle on over to alt.conspiracy, Colin? You will find
> plenty of like-minded wackos who will agree with you. One poster has even
> been ranting about censorship in New Zealand. They would love to read
> about your depth of knowledge about anthropology, hematology, and Grimm's
> Fairy Tales.
>
It has  never interested me Jeanne.  Remember the title of this Newsgroup
-- white-power?
  
> > Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
> > Jeanne though.  
> 
> Whoever decides to flame your posts does it for their own reasons. I have
> no knowledge of a specialized group of flamers, unless it is part of the
> Joo conspiracy. Although I am on the Fluffy-Headed Liberals Pom-Pom Squad
> (tm), I am not an agent of Z.O.G.
>
So you are taking back your comments from "Goose-steppin Sheep?" in which
you stated the above.  
   
> > Could you hurry it up Jeanne?
> 
> Yeah, right. I'll stack up my invisible friends against your invisible
> friends and see who does the best flaming.  
> 
They say american children have a fixation with invisible friends.

Colin.

Stereotypes are accurate; but not precise -- Young Ho

There is an equal percentage of white crime than black crime if not more so
 -- Sub-Genius

It's out-of-context and a fabrication -- Harry


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jul 20 22:04:11 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Where's Pyramid00?
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 07:46:14 +0100
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> >> I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> >> any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> >> OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> >> 
> >I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
> >and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
> >to post no more after they had discussions with me.  Admittly since I
> >don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim any medals of
> >victory.
> 
>   Open wide for your dose of reality.  I haven't been on this NG for a while 
> because I was on a trip to the US.  Better put those "medals of victory" away,
> little one.  
> 
You mean I finally goaded you back.  Now I get to laugh at you (a lot).  I
did not realize your psychiatrist lived in the U.S.  I hope you are well
now.  If not, can we expect you to disappear again for months?

>   Pyramid00 probably realized that he was attempting to debate with morons...
> 
Unlikely, few things went through Pyramid00 head.

> >Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
> >Jeanne though.  Could you hurry it up Jeanne?
> 
>   Ah- you have your appointment with the sheep to keep....
> 
You had probably best to talk to Asharte about sheep.  She is the current
expert on them.  Then again Asharte hasn't been around since our argument
... too bad.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jul 20 22:04:15 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> 
I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
to post no more after they had discussions with me.  Admittly since I
don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim any medals of
victory.

Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
Jeanne though.  Could you hurry it up Jeanne?

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Fri Jul 21 05:27:23 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
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> > > I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> > > any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> > > OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> > > 
> > I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
> > and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
> > to post no more after they had discussions with me.  
> 
> Have you considered that you've been added to the killfiles of many of
> these posters, or that they have better things to do than respond to your
> mind-numbing, bandwidth-wasting, reality-impaired drivel?
> 
Some how the newsreader that I use wouldn't doesn't care about your
excuse.  If they post here I will see it.
  
> > Admittly since I don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim
> > any medals of victory.
> 
> There you go again, Colin, confusing "boring to tears" with "tearing
> shreads (sic)". You may be a contender for Kook of the Month or the newly
> created Colin Brainfart Award (tm) for the many posts in which people say,
> "What in the hell was that?" after reading your words.
>
This the new tactic -- boring?  What a bunch of hypocrites.  Once you have said
it twice it becomes boring.  But no, a liberal doesn't think (?) like
this, they like to go on and on like a scratched record.
 
> Why don't you just waddle on over to alt.conspiracy, Colin? You will find
> plenty of like-minded wackos who will agree with you. One poster has even
> been ranting about censorship in New Zealand. They would love to read
> about your depth of knowledge about anthropology, hematology, and Grimm's
> Fairy Tales.
>
It has  never interested me Jeanne.  Remember the title of this Newsgroup
-- white-power?
  
> > Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
> > Jeanne though.  
> 
> Whoever decides to flame your posts does it for their own reasons. I have
> no knowledge of a specialized group of flamers, unless it is part of the
> Joo conspiracy. Although I am on the Fluffy-Headed Liberals Pom-Pom Squad
> (tm), I am not an agent of Z.O.G.
>
So you are taking back your comments from "Goose-steppin Sheep?" in which
you stated the above.  
   
> > Could you hurry it up Jeanne?
> 
> Yeah, right. I'll stack up my invisible friends against your invisible
> friends and see who does the best flaming.  
> 
They say american children have a fixation with invisible friends.

Colin.

Stereotypes are accurate; but not precise -- Young Ho

There is an equal percentage of white crime than black crime if not more so
 -- Sub-Genius

It's out-of-context and a fabrication -- Harry


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Fri Jul 21 05:27:26 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.skinheads,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
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> >> I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> >> any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> >> OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> >> 
> >I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
> >and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
> >to post no more after they had discussions with me.  Admittly since I
> >don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim any medals of
> >victory.
> 
>   Open wide for your dose of reality.  I haven't been on this NG for a while 
> because I was on a trip to the US.  Better put those "medals of victory" away,
> little one.  
> 
You mean I finally goaded you back.  Now I get to laugh at you (a lot).  I
did not realize your psychiatrist lived in the U.S.  I hope you are well
now.  If not, can we expect you to disappear again for months?

>   Pyramid00 probably realized that he was attempting to debate with morons...
> 
Unlikely, few things went through Pyramid00 head.

> >Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
> >Jeanne though.  Could you hurry it up Jeanne?
> 
>   Ah- you have your appointment with the sheep to keep....
> 
You had probably best to talk to Asharte about sheep.  She is the current
expert on them.  Then again Asharte hasn't been around since our argument
... too bad.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Fri Jul 21 05:27:29 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> I miss the informative, negrophillic rantings of Pyramid00.  Anyone got
> any news on his whereabouts?  Did he die in a drive-by shooting? Did he
> OD?  Get lynched?  What?
> 
I could have had a "discussion" with him.  JeFf HaN, Young Ho, joan, Elena
and SubGenius (a few others, but I don't remember their names) didn't seem
to post no more after they had discussions with me.  Admittly since I
don't remember tearing shreads of Pyramid, I can't claim any medals of
victory.

Still looking forward to this group of specialised flamers organised by
Jeanne though.  Could you hurry it up Jeanne?

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jul 23 16:28:44 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Ben Johnson's contradiction
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 07:51:38 +1300
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> >>: Where is your proof that what Ben says is wrong?  
> >>
> >>You really don't understand the first thing about public discourse, do 
> >>you? The burden is on the claimer to establish the claims, if challenged. 
> >>End of story.
> >>

You mean this is an excuse for being lazy.  To get a decent public
discourse going you need input from both sides.  You however have decided
that "we" must provide all the input, you do nothing.  So let's see some
input from you, we'll take it one question at a time.

What about the Lacedominians?

Could we have Professors, Doctors, other academics and of course book
citations on your theories.  Thanks in advance.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.misc,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Re: Ben Johnson's contradiction
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> >>: Where is your proof that what Ben says is wrong?  
> >>
> >>You really don't understand the first thing about public discourse, do 
> >>you? The burden is on the claimer to establish the claims, if challenged. 
> >>End of story.
> >>

You mean this is an excuse for being lazy.  To get a decent public
discourse going you need input from both sides.  You however have decided
that "we" must provide all the input, you do nothing.  So let's see some
input from you, we'll take it one question at a time.

What about the Lacedominians?

Could we have Professors, Doctors, other academics and of course book
citations on your theories.  Thanks in advance.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>> No, but it clearly contributes to it. Robbery and other violent crime 
>> tends to be far more common in poor areas.  
>
>What about the great depression?

What about the great depression? Perhaps you havn't heard of Al
Capone, Bugsy Siegel, Baby Faced Nelson, etc.? Murder, Inc.,
gangsters, these are all depression-era images. And a lot of it wasn't
all that dramatic (protection, numbers rackets, prostitution,
shake-downs, etc.)

There's also something to be said for a situation where everyone is
broke poor, versus being surrounded in relative wealth and prosperity.

At least during the depression people could understand, in a sense,
why they were poor. If nothing else, (almost) everyone was poor!

Very poor nations don't necessarily have high civil crime rates
either, for perhaps the same reasons. People don't see themselves as
being singled out. But where they do, for example in Rio de Janeiro or
Northern Ireland, one tends to get some resentment and violent
behavior.

Finally, this sort of disease seems to be at its worst when people
feel they are functionally excluded. It's not so bad, perhaps, being a
poor white in a white country because you probably believe in your
heart (barring other problems) that if you can just clean up, shave,
put on a nice suit of clothing and work hard you can probably pull
yourself out your situation. That's a bit different than becoming
convinced that because of your race or whatever none of this will
help. Whether factually true or not the problem lies in beliefs.

-- 
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From bzs@world.std.com Mon Jul 24 17:26:45 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Top cop blames the blacks
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>> No, but it clearly contributes to it. Robbery and other violent crime 
>> tends to be far more common in poor areas.  
>
>What about the great depression?

What about the great depression? Perhaps you havn't heard of Al
Capone, Bugsy Siegel, Baby Faced Nelson, etc.? Murder, Inc.,
gangsters, these are all depression-era images. And a lot of it wasn't
all that dramatic (protection, numbers rackets, prostitution,
shake-downs, etc.)

There's also something to be said for a situation where everyone is
broke poor, versus being surrounded in relative wealth and prosperity.

At least during the depression people could understand, in a sense,
why they were poor. If nothing else, (almost) everyone was poor!

Very poor nations don't necessarily have high civil crime rates
either, for perhaps the same reasons. People don't see themselves as
being singled out. But where they do, for example in Rio de Janeiro or
Northern Ireland, one tends to get some resentment and violent
behavior.

Finally, this sort of disease seems to be at its worst when people
feel they are functionally excluded. It's not so bad, perhaps, being a
poor white in a white country because you probably believe in your
heart (barring other problems) that if you can just clean up, shave,
put on a nice suit of clothing and work hard you can probably pull
yourself out your situation. That's a bit different than becoming
convinced that because of your race or whatever none of this will
help. Whether factually true or not the problem lies in beliefs.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>> No, but it clearly contributes to it. Robbery and other violent crime 
>> tends to be far more common in poor areas.  
>
>What about the great depression?

What about the great depression? Perhaps you havn't heard of Al
Capone, Bugsy Siegel, Baby Faced Nelson, etc.? Murder, Inc.,
gangsters, these are all depression-era images. And a lot of it wasn't
all that dramatic (protection, numbers rackets, prostitution,
shake-downs, etc.)

There's also something to be said for a situation where everyone is
broke poor, versus being surrounded in relative wealth and prosperity.

At least during the depression people could understand, in a sense,
why they were poor. If nothing else, (almost) everyone was poor!

Very poor nations don't necessarily have high civil crime rates
either, for perhaps the same reasons. People don't see themselves as
being singled out. But where they do, for example in Rio de Janeiro or
Northern Ireland, one tends to get some resentment and violent
behavior.

Finally, this sort of disease seems to be at its worst when people
feel they are functionally excluded. It's not so bad, perhaps, being a
poor white in a white country because you probably believe in your
heart (barring other problems) that if you can just clean up, shave,
put on a nice suit of clothing and work hard you can probably pull
yourself out your situation. That's a bit different than becoming
convinced that because of your race or whatever none of this will
help. Whether factually true or not the problem lies in beliefs.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Tue Jul 25 01:25:26 PDT 1995
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> >>: Where is your proof that what Ben says is wrong?  
> >>
> >>You really don't understand the first thing about public discourse, do 
> >>you? The burden is on the claimer to establish the claims, if challenged. 
> >>End of story.
> >>

You mean this is an excuse for being lazy.  To get a decent public
discourse going you need input from both sides.  You however have decided
that "we" must provide all the input, you do nothing.  So let's see some
input from you, we'll take it one question at a time.

What about the Lacedominians?

Could we have Professors, Doctors, other academics and of course book
citations on your theories.  Thanks in advance.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>> No, but it clearly contributes to it. Robbery and other violent crime 
>> tends to be far more common in poor areas.  
>
>What about the great depression?

What about the great depression? Perhaps you havn't heard of Al
Capone, Bugsy Siegel, Baby Faced Nelson, etc.? Murder, Inc.,
gangsters, these are all depression-era images. And a lot of it wasn't
all that dramatic (protection, numbers rackets, prostitution,
shake-downs, etc.)

There's also something to be said for a situation where everyone is
broke poor, versus being surrounded in relative wealth and prosperity.

At least during the depression people could understand, in a sense,
why they were poor. If nothing else, (almost) everyone was poor!

Very poor nations don't necessarily have high civil crime rates
either, for perhaps the same reasons. People don't see themselves as
being singled out. But where they do, for example in Rio de Janeiro or
Northern Ireland, one tends to get some resentment and violent
behavior.

Finally, this sort of disease seems to be at its worst when people
feel they are functionally excluded. It's not so bad, perhaps, being a
poor white in a white country because you probably believe in your
heart (barring other problems) that if you can just clean up, shave,
put on a nice suit of clothing and work hard you can probably pull
yourself out your situation. That's a bit different than becoming
convinced that because of your race or whatever none of this will
help. Whether factually true or not the problem lies in beliefs.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Tue Jul 25 11:09:08 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Why bother?
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> > Is literacy, correct spelling and grammar signs of intelligence?  
> >  

I notice lzaird not answering this question.  Then again I didn't expect
that he would.  One of these questions I was going to nail any which way
he answered.

> > > >> Used.  
> > > >> Mike can't possibly have his foot in his mouth, name a time he 
> > > >> has..can't do it?  Surprise surprise!
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps Jeanne can help.  She has this frequent ability of recording my
> > > >messages.  There are a few times when Mike has been caught with his foot
> > > >in his mouth.
> 
> I've got news for you, Colin -- I can read your thoughts, too. It's time
> for you to rotate the tinfoil on your head, because I can no longer detect
> any signs of rational thought in there.
>
I suppose you got the ability of telepathy right after your cats starting
talking to you?
 
> I'm more interested in the really demented and ignorant posts. They get
> the biggest laughs from my liberal friends at the university.

I did not realize you kept your own posts Jeanne.  Admittedly lzaird, Mike
Beebe and Sub-Genius get the biggest laughs.  So I suppose you record
their posts continually?

> 
> > > >> Colin, you're boring as hell...
> > > >Didn't know hell was boring.  Been there have we?  Got any postcards?
> > > 
> > > Case closed.
> >   ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 
> > See, you do like to assert yourself as being more intelligent.  And you
> > complain when I knock you off your pedastral.
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> BZZT! You just flunked your 'signs of intelligence' test, but thanks for
> playing "Brainfarts by":
> 
OH MY GOD!!!! A spelling mistake.  That's it the worlds ending.  We can
expect the bombs any minute now.  I made a spelling mistake.  I'll ask you
the question Jeanne:  Is literacy -- spelling and grammar the sign of
intelligence?

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Why bother?
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>    For those that came in late:
>    When I first mentioned the Protocols back in April I mentioned where I
>    read it.  Which was in the University of Auckland's library.  Also from
>    the email from J Brown the listings show "restricted" in it's category. 
>    Please explain?
> 
> Beats me. I wondered about that, too. UAuckland, as far as I could find,
> doesn't list their circulation policies, so I don't know what that means.
> 
You should know.  You're the current expert on NZ censorship.  I mean I'm
completely wrong aren't I?  It's up to you to nail the lid on my coffin.

>    >    So you have read Florence's personality books?
>    >     
>    > Would you care to provide a more explicit cite, say, an ISBN number and a
>    > title or two? Searches for Flo's works in a few university libraries drew
>    > a blank.
>    > 
>    Ever heard of the proverb about entering into an existing argument is like
>    grabbing a dog by the ears?
>    
>    You probably need the last name Litteuer to find anything on her works
>    (Florence is her first name).  Two books are Personality Plus and
>    Personality Tree.  I don't go around memorising ISBN numbers I'm afraid.
>    
> I had the last name earlier. I didn't find anything in my 'net searches
> (oh, for an online copy of Books In Print!).
> 
Can't help you there.  They are reasonably interesting books.  She more or
less elaborated on Plato's work concerning the four personality types --
Melancholy, Phlegmatic, Sanguine and Choleric.  So perhaps you can
substitute Plato for Florence Litteuer.

Colin.


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> >> >Pretty funny words coming from a liberal.
> >> I'd expect this line from Colin.
> >What are you talking about lzaird?  Anybody can use sarcasm.  Admittly
> >through the conversations I have had with you, you cannot comprehend
> >sarcasm or reverse psychology.  I'll give credit to Mike Beebe, at least
> >he can do that.  Is the reason you don't like sarcasm is that you cannot
> >use it?  Your halfway attempts at wit have never worked. 
> 
> Where, EXACTLY does reverse-psychology come into this?  I can see 
> sarcasm, but reverse-psychology?  
> 
> >> >ORION
> >I'll hazard a guess for you lzaird.  Perhaps you should look up what the
> >name means.  You probably need to go back slightly further than a
> >dictionary.  The greek word Orion actually means something in greek.
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> You know, that very well may be... (See Colin, THAT's sarcasm for ya!)

Your halfway there lzaird.
> 
> >                                                                         He
> >could even be using a type from mythology.  Do you always have to be
> >spoonfeed? Can't you possibly reason a logical explanation?  Is putting 2
> >and 2 together beyond your intellectual levels?
> 
> A TYPE?  Type?  Explain that!  What TYPE would this be?  Mabye a 
> refrence is what you meant, drooler. 

Have a look at mythology.  Maybe you can deduce a meaning (highly
unlikely). An encyclopedia would be a good place to start. 
> 
> 2 and 2 is 4...ask a Revisionist and it's 1.
> 
> >> Lastly though, what do you think of the job us "liberals" did at killing 
> >> your Newsgroup?  Notice how the Nazi to Liberal ratio's way off?  NOtice 
> >> how the actual Info to Flame ratio's the same way?  This group is dead!
> >If this group is dead then why are you writing to it?   Are you trying to
> >resurrect it with your witty commentaries?  Your daring articles? Your
> >inside information? Or are you just wasting bandwidth as usual?  
> 
> It's dead!  When's the last time you posted something that was ABOUT 
> actual racism?  Ahahahahahha!!!  Dead as a post.  We've even forced 
> Burdi into PCness...
> 
So what is actual racism lzaird?  I assume you have become an expert on it.

Colin.


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In article , jstarkma@chat.carleton.ca
(Jenn Starkman) wrote:

> SCHOEDEL (schoedel@aol.com) wrote:
> 
> >  I expel my jewishness every
> > morning.
> 
> > Ron
>
They say the highest form of compliment is somebody copying you.  Thanks
Ron for the compliment.  I was beginning to feel that my comment was a bit
too heavy for the sensibilities of the average American (American TV &
movie humour being slapstick and incredibly obvious).  Feel free to keep
using the saying.  
 
> Ummm, Rev? That wasn't Jewishness you expelled all over your clean
> sheets, it was semen--and damned if the White Race isn't gonna lynch
> you for wasting precious breeding materials...
> 
> Jenn

Well we know Jenn is still a virgin and ignorant of the colour of semen. 
Semen is white.  What Ron was referring too was black.  Have you met
lzaird? He seems to be having trouble with woman.  He was trying to sell
me the book "How to hypnotise Girls", obviously he is very desperate. 
Also his prime motivation in posting to these newsgroup is to fill it with
garbage.  Which would indicate a high level of boredom on his behalf.  He
obviously needs a girl.  I'm sure you could accommodate him.

Colin.


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> > Is literacy, correct spelling and grammar signs of intelligence?  
> >  

I notice lzaird not answering this question.  Then again I didn't expect
that he would.  One of these questions I was going to nail any which way
he answered.

> > > >> Used.  
> > > >> Mike can't possibly have his foot in his mouth, name a time he 
> > > >> has..can't do it?  Surprise surprise!
> > > >
> > > >Perhaps Jeanne can help.  She has this frequent ability of recording my
> > > >messages.  There are a few times when Mike has been caught with his foot
> > > >in his mouth.
> 
> I've got news for you, Colin -- I can read your thoughts, too. It's time
> for you to rotate the tinfoil on your head, because I can no longer detect
> any signs of rational thought in there.
>
I suppose you got the ability of telepathy right after your cats starting
talking to you?
 
> I'm more interested in the really demented and ignorant posts. They get
> the biggest laughs from my liberal friends at the university.

I did not realize you kept your own posts Jeanne.  Admittedly lzaird, Mike
Beebe and Sub-Genius get the biggest laughs.  So I suppose you record
their posts continually?

> 
> > > >> Colin, you're boring as hell...
> > > >Didn't know hell was boring.  Been there have we?  Got any postcards?
> > > 
> > > Case closed.
> >   ^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 
> > See, you do like to assert yourself as being more intelligent.  And you
> > complain when I knock you off your pedastral.
>                                      ^^^^^^^^^
> 
> BZZT! You just flunked your 'signs of intelligence' test, but thanks for
> playing "Brainfarts by":
> 
OH MY GOD!!!! A spelling mistake.  That's it the worlds ending.  We can
expect the bombs any minute now.  I made a spelling mistake.  I'll ask you
the question Jeanne:  Is literacy -- spelling and grammar the sign of
intelligence?

Colin.


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>    For those that came in late:
>    When I first mentioned the Protocols back in April I mentioned where I
>    read it.  Which was in the University of Auckland's library.  Also from
>    the email from J Brown the listings show "restricted" in it's category. 
>    Please explain?
> 
> Beats me. I wondered about that, too. UAuckland, as far as I could find,
> doesn't list their circulation policies, so I don't know what that means.
> 
You should know.  You're the current expert on NZ censorship.  I mean I'm
completely wrong aren't I?  It's up to you to nail the lid on my coffin.

>    >    So you have read Florence's personality books?
>    >     
>    > Would you care to provide a more explicit cite, say, an ISBN number and a
>    > title or two? Searches for Flo's works in a few university libraries drew
>    > a blank.
>    > 
>    Ever heard of the proverb about entering into an existing argument is like
>    grabbing a dog by the ears?
>    
>    You probably need the last name Litteuer to find anything on her works
>    (Florence is her first name).  Two books are Personality Plus and
>    Personality Tree.  I don't go around memorising ISBN numbers I'm afraid.
>    
> I had the last name earlier. I didn't find anything in my 'net searches
> (oh, for an online copy of Books In Print!).
> 
Can't help you there.  They are reasonably interesting books.  She more or
less elaborated on Plato's work concerning the four personality types --
Melancholy, Phlegmatic, Sanguine and Choleric.  So perhaps you can
substitute Plato for Florence Litteuer.

Colin.


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> >> >The greek word Orion actually means something in greek.  
> >>   Did anyone else get the giggles when they read this?
> >You must remember the level I was writing too (lzaird).  Admittedly I was
> >using multi-syllible words.  Which probably why lzaird didn't respond.  
> 
> I was a little late Pinhead... Your original post SURE WAS A STUMPER.  
> But not by any intellectual scale.  
> 
So you are saying if someone had intelligence then it wasn't a stumper,
which is why you found it a stumper?

Colin.


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> >> >The greek word Orion actually means something in greek.  
> >>   Did anyone else get the giggles when they read this?
> >You must remember the level I was writing too (lzaird).  Admittedly I was
> >using multi-syllible words.  Which probably why lzaird didn't respond.  
> 
> I was a little late Pinhead... Your original post SURE WAS A STUMPER.  
> But not by any intellectual scale.  
> 
So you are saying if someone had intelligence then it wasn't a stumper,
which is why you found it a stumper?

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jul 27 10:27:37 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Top cop blames the blacks
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 08:56:56 +0000
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> >> No, but it clearly contributes to it. Robbery and other violent crime 
> >> tends to be far more common in poor areas.  
> >
> >What about the great depression?
> 
> What about the great depression? Perhaps you havn't heard of Al
> Capone, Bugsy Siegel, Baby Faced Nelson, etc.? Murder, Inc.,
> gangsters, these are all depression-era images. And a lot of it wasn't
> all that dramatic (protection, numbers rackets, prostitution,
> shake-downs, etc.)
> 
Do you think any of those mentioned above would rate today?  You'd find
the press would hardly give them a mention.

> There's also something to be said for a situation where everyone is
> broke poor, versus being surrounded in relative wealth and prosperity.
> 
> At least during the depression people could understand, in a sense,
> why they were poor. If nothing else, (almost) everyone was poor!
>
The Jews on the whole did extremely well in the depression.  Yet you don't
see that they were victims of crime during the depression.  You should
also take into account that various Jews (namely the Rothschilds)
published their bank accounts (that was until the Protocols of the Learned
Elders of Zion got popular).  So the general populous knew that the Jews
were rich.  

There were still the rich among the white population as well.  Yet you
don't find they were robbed either.
 
> Very poor nations don't necessarily have high civil crime rates
> either, for perhaps the same reasons. People don't see themselves as
> being singled out. But where they do, for example in Rio de Janeiro or
> Northern Ireland, one tends to get some resentment and violent
> behavior.
> 
Perhaps a visit to the Latin American countries (were (almost) everyone is
poor) with your girlfriend/wife decked in as much jewellery as possible
fares.  You will note that in the depression she would still be relatively
safe.  Unlike in Latin America today.

> Finally, this sort of disease seems to be at its worst when people
> feel they are functionally excluded. It's not so bad, perhaps, being a
> poor white in a white country because you probably believe in your
> heart (barring other problems) that if you can just clean up, shave,
> put on a nice suit of clothing and work hard you can probably pull
> yourself out your situation. That's a bit different than becoming
> convinced that because of your race or whatever none of this will
> help. Whether factually true or not the problem lies in beliefs.
> 
What a load of crap.  Take for example the Maori in New Zealand.  If
anything they have had nothing but help.  Why are the majority poor? 
Could it be possible that they are lazy?  That crime is the easier way,
especially considering the leniency given to minorities in the courts
(penalties are lenient anyway)?  The treaty forbides exclusion, yet they
cannot make it.  Have you ever heard of equal oppurtunity?  This means
that if you are dark (the darker the better), female and crippled you will
most certainly get a job.  Any one of those criteria is a plus in a job
interview.  Since these places are generally incompetant, they tend to
need more staff.  Almost every staff member in a government department is
black.  We also have this T.V program called Crimewatch were the Police
ask the public for information nationwide.  Crimewatch is nicknamed Maori
News.  Why?  Because so many Maori have a profile on the program.  Could
you please rationalize how the Maori who are not excluded from jobs (and
in governmental jobs, preferred), receive government handouts (via treaty
claims) yet cause the most crime?

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >If I was answering your question of would have said so.  I was answering
> >Michael Stein's question on naming one Rabbi that married a three year old
> >girl.  I have done so.
> 
> You have not done so.

What flavour is your foot?
> 
> >While you may claim Jews have rather low
> >child abuse rates, we can never know (unless some unbiased research is
> >done).  Somehow I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Especially since
> >some laws concerning the Talmud have come to light.
> 
> What do you mean by "unbiased research?"

At the moment it would mean the impossible.  Any conclusive research done
upon Jewry would be labelled anti semitic.  One day that label will lose
it's power and so proper research can be undertaken.

> What are these "laws concerning the Talmud?"

About the validity of Jewish men copulating with 3 minus year old girls
and sodomising 9 minus year old boys. Then of course the Talmudic
validiting copulation of three year old girls via marriage (probably when
the father wants to get rid of her, which is probably due to the loss of a
mount for himself).

I mean with laws like these it is impossible for a Jew to sexually abuse
children.  So for research to be unbiased it would need to be void of
Talmudic influences.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jul 27 10:27:41 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >P.S I still have no respect for book citations.  My all time favourite is
> >the Jew Yair Davidy in his book "Tribes."  Not all his book citations are
> >correct.
> 
>     _My_ all time favorite is the "Pheonician" Colin McKinstry in his
> Usenet posts.  I certainly have no respect for _his_ book citations. 
> _None_ of his dictionary references are verifiable, according to several
> people who have tried, even though he's had _three_ tries to get it right. 
> 
>     Given Colin's demonstrated illiteracy and inability to handle
> bibliographic references properly, I'd take his comments about Davidy with
> a large carton of salt unless I'd checked it myself. 
> 
Please do Michael, all of his citations, especially concerning Koestler. 
Sometimes his citations are correct, sometimes not.  Davidy being a Jew
makes it all the more special.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >> >>: Where is your proof that what Ben says is wrong?  
> >> >>
> >> >>You really don't understand the first thing about public discourse, do 
> >> >>you? The burden is on the claimer to establish the claims, if
challenged. 
> >> >>End of story.
> >> >>
> 
> >You mean this is an excuse for being lazy.  To get a decent public
> >discourse going you need input from both sides.  You however have decided
> >that "we" must provide all the input, you do nothing.  So let's see some
> >input from you, we'll take it one question at a time.
> 
> >What about the Lacedominians?
> 
> Do you  mean the Lakedaimonians, otherwise known as "The Spartans"? Well, 
> what about them? Question, please?
> 
The original question was that some poster believed that the Jews covered
the entirety of Israel (all the tribes).  The Lacedominians are cited in
both by Josephus and the Maccabees.  The Lacedominians weren't Jews but
Greeks.  What I wanted was his reasoning of why the Lacedominians weren't
Israel.

Colin.


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> >Please reread what they both wrote.  One Rabbi approved of the marriage of
> >a daughter of a proselyte (it doesn't mention whether she was a proselyte)
> >before she was three years old.  This is what Michael Stein requested.  He
> >did not like the result.  But his request was answered.
> 
> Colin, this is disingenuous. The rabbi did not approve "the" marriage before 
> the girl was 3.  He approved marriage to a priest.  In other words, he found 
> that the girl was sufficiently "of the faith" to marry a priest when she 
> reached marriageable age.  The determination was made when the girl was young 
> - no specific priest was in the offing, nor is there any evidence that the 
> parties had one in mind: they said "a" priest.
> 
She was already married to a priest before she was three.  Neither Michael
Stein or the Jew who suffers from down's syndrome have contradicted this. 
You will note that an investigation was undertaken about this situation.

> There are many limitations on the marriage of Cohens.  They cannot marry 
> people who have themselves converted, they cannot marry divorcees, etc.  

I know this.
> This 
> particular quote refers specifically to that determination.
>
Please reread.
 
> Calling that foot a banana doesn't make it one.  Would you like chips with it?

So how long have you being calling your foot a banana?

Colin.


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> > >P.S I still have no respect for book citations.  My all time favourite is
> > >the Jew Yair Davidy in his book "Tribes."  Not all his book citations are
> > >correct.
> > 
> >     _My_ all time favorite is the "Pheonician" Colin McKinstry in his
> > Usenet posts.  I certainly have no respect for _his_ book citations. 
> > _None_ of his dictionary references are verifiable, according to several
> > people who have tried, even though he's had _three_ tries to get it right. 
> > 
> >     Given Colin's demonstrated illiteracy and inability to handle
> > bibliographic references properly, I'd take his comments about Davidy with
> > a large carton of salt unless I'd checked it myself. 
> > 
> Please do Michael, all of his citations, especially concerning Koestler. 
> Sometimes his citations are correct, sometimes not.  Davidy being a Jew
> makes it all the more special.
> 
I should mention before you begin your research (hah!), I doubt whether
you will be brave enough to publish the results.  Why? If I am correct,
then what I say about book citations are true, but secondly if I am wrong
then you will have to apologise to Ben Johnson.  Two things I am sure your
pride could not handle.  Which means I am going to win yet another
argument.

Colin.


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> > Mike I am sorry to say that neither you nor he had understood what it
> > says there since BOTH OF YOU do not read Aramaic (actually that
> > passage is mostly in Hebrew). There was no Rabbi saying that a three
> > year old could or was married. What it says is that a gentile convert
> > under the age of 3 will when she does get married be able to marry a
> > priest. I woul dstongly suggest, that even though it bothers you when
> > people like that lie, if you are not knowledgable in the text of the
> > Talmud, don't imagine that by reading the English you can understand
> > it. Those of us who learn Talmud have done it for many years. In fact
> > I doubt Colin or Ben could even talk when I started learning Talmud
> > at a level to understand the original. 
> > 
> Seems Moshe, that you go against the translators of the Soncino Edition. 
> They translated it that way.  By what standard is yours correct and
> there's wrong.
  ^^^^^^^

Should be their's.  Noticed it just after I sent it .  Normally I
wouldn't bother to correct it, but liberals are frequently illogical
(meaning they cannot deduce the correct word).

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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White supremcists, white nationalists and so forth have regularly stated
that the ancients of these nations were Aryan/white.  Some liberals
contest this with some sort of proof (?).  I would suggest to these
liberals that they take a trip to a good museum and have a look at these
nations exhibits.

Having just been around Auckland's War Museum (26/07/1995).  I will now
share the results.  First the Egyptian exhibit.  On centre stage we have a
female mummy.  On the lid we have a sculpture of her face.  Thin lips,
high cheek bones, long head, and more importantly pure white paint.  Then
there is a hieroglyph of a red skinned man before one of the animal headed
egyptian gods (also red skinned).  Then there are the statures of either
red skinned people or white skinned people.  Not one black (or brown)
stature among them and of course the flat nose and inflated lips are
nonexistent as well.

Next is the greek exhibit.  We have non painted statures of the greek men
and women (we could say Aryan but since liberals can't tell negro features
>from  Aryan features I'll move on).  However the Museum possesses two
paintings of greek men.  Which of course have pink skin and light brown
hair (sandy).  

Lastly the Indian exhibit.  There are several time periods.  One of which
covers the Aryans.  Again we have painted statures (and even a tapestry
>from  SE Asia of the Indian Aryans -- from trade links).  Which of course
show the Aryan skin and face (white, pink or red).

Somehow I doubt this will convince the liberals, so I suggest you do your
own tour of a Museum.  Though even after this I can expect lzaird to
continue to believe in Negro (sorry, Sub Saharan) high civilization of
Egypt.  Which indicates the level of intelligence lzaird has attained.  Of
course if a Museum is too much effort, a poor substitute is a good book on
the relevant time periods.  It's a lot harder to dispute an actual exhibit
(though I'm sure lzaird will try).

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Black is Beautiful
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> : It was a logical extension to your argument.  Unlike Jeanne, I'm no
> : telepath who reads tinfoil.
> 
>    This has got to be the lamest attempt at a metaphor I've ever seen.
> 
> Mike "And of COURSE it came from this group!" Beebe

You should have read Jeanne's articles lately, but I imagine that is hard
with your foot in your mouth.

> --
> A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a loaded .45
>
Still arrogantly displaying your ignorance?  Society cannot exist without
religion.  Then again this is beyond your level of understanding.
 
Mike "I only open my mouth to change feet" Beebe.

Colin.


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> >A lawyer, and you are trying to be credible?
> 
>         You accuse someone of having no credibility???
> 
>         BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
> 
And this comes from you, Derek?  Talk about being a hypocrite.

> >So we have two scenarios: 1) he received no pay for being a lawyer, 2) he
> >actually paid the state for being a lawyer.  Both ways he must of done a
> >lot parasiting to save for the last 21 years.
> 
>         3) He got paid, but not as much as his son thinks he should have
> been.
>         Please remember to enumerate *all* cases in future.
>
Well I suppose 1 cent/month is a feasible limit.
 
> >I take it that this piece of law is based on the Talmud?
> >[Alleged Talmud quotes deleted.]
> 
>         And you claim yourself a scholar? Personally, I suspect that these
> quotes are either: 1. Invented 2. Taken out of context.
>
Or 3. Correct
         Please remember to enumerate *all* cases in future.
 
> >I wonder why child abuse got started in the first place...nah it couldn't
> >be Jews and usury could it?
> 
>         No, I doubt if it was; your capacity for non-sequitur knows no
> bounds!
>
It's a hypothesis.
 
> >It amazes me to think how little child abuse happened in the past yet it
> >happens regularly today.  Perhaps idleness also plays an important part.
> 
>         We *hear* more about it today, but there are many cases where the
> victim hasn't filed complaint until recently because they believed that they
> wouldn't be believed.
>
Or so we are told.  Don't worry, I believe it happened in the past, just
less frequently.  It is reasonably logical to make such an assumption. 
Based on the fact that people weren't so idle.
 
> >A lawyer that isn't a parasite is a contridiction.  At least in the
> >twentyith century.
> 
>         Depends on they lawyer, doesn't it? Some work very hard for other
> people's benefit. 
>
         BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
 
> >Admittedly I have found some of Einsteins formulas beneficial to some of
> >my research.  Though I am sure they would eventually come forth.  Then
> >again I'd doubt whether I really need them anyway.
> 
>         Do I hear some grudging respect for Einstein?

Not really, a lot of Einstein's work was really only an improvement on Sir
Isacc Newton's work (now there's a genius).  All I needed from Einstein
was that formula E=mc^2 and all the logic that goes with it (the logic
behind it interests me more than the actual formula).  Which was more or
less a gathering of ideas from other physicists and compounding them.

Colin.


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> >A lawyer, and you are trying to be credible?
> 
>         You accuse someone of having no credibility???
> 
>         BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
> 
And this comes from you, Derek?  Talk about being a hypocrite.

> >So we have two scenarios: 1) he received no pay for being a lawyer, 2) he
> >actually paid the state for being a lawyer.  Both ways he must of done a
> >lot parasiting to save for the last 21 years.
> 
>         3) He got paid, but not as much as his son thinks he should have
> been.
>         Please remember to enumerate *all* cases in future.
>
Well I suppose 1 cent/month is a feasible limit.
 
> >I take it that this piece of law is based on the Talmud?
> >[Alleged Talmud quotes deleted.]
> 
>         And you claim yourself a scholar? Personally, I suspect that these
> quotes are either: 1. Invented 2. Taken out of context.
>
Or 3. Correct
         Please remember to enumerate *all* cases in future.
 
> >I wonder why child abuse got started in the first place...nah it couldn't
> >be Jews and usury could it?
> 
>         No, I doubt if it was; your capacity for non-sequitur knows no
> bounds!
>
It's a hypothesis.
 
> >It amazes me to think how little child abuse happened in the past yet it
> >happens regularly today.  Perhaps idleness also plays an important part.
> 
>         We *hear* more about it today, but there are many cases where the
> victim hasn't filed complaint until recently because they believed that they
> wouldn't be believed.
>
Or so we are told.  Don't worry, I believe it happened in the past, just
less frequently.  It is reasonably logical to make such an assumption. 
Based on the fact that people weren't so idle.
 
> >A lawyer that isn't a parasite is a contridiction.  At least in the
> >twentyith century.
> 
>         Depends on they lawyer, doesn't it? Some work very hard for other
> people's benefit. 
>
         BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
 
> >Admittedly I have found some of Einsteins formulas beneficial to some of
> >my research.  Though I am sure they would eventually come forth.  Then
> >again I'd doubt whether I really need them anyway.
> 
>         Do I hear some grudging respect for Einstein?

Not really, a lot of Einstein's work was really only an improvement on Sir
Isacc Newton's work (now there's a genius).  All I needed from Einstein
was that formula E=mc^2 and all the logic that goes with it (the logic
behind it interests me more than the actual formula).  Which was more or
less a gathering of ideas from other physicists and compounding them.

Colin.


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> >> Does your new-found respect for "book citations" mean that you are going
> >> to finally tell us which dictionary defines "parasite" as "Jew"?
> >> 
> >It was a play on sarcasm.  My only regret was that I didn't go silly
> >enough.  I should have included on the list the DNA sequence of all the
> >professors, doctors and so forth.  As well as their full life biographies
> >of their mothers.
> 
> I think this is a long winded way of saying "I lied".
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> David Johnston                       |                 cendbj@bonaly.hw.ac.uk
> Heriot-Watt University               |              cendbj@caledonia.hw.ac.uk
> Edinburgh                            |
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Believe what you want to believe David.  Some people believe things no
matter what is presented before them.  For example lzaird believes the
ancient Egyptians that built the pyrimids and so forth were negroes.  You
should also note your interesting clipping, it makes for a strange
interpretation.  Then again it shows the true liberal mind at work once
more.

Colin.


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> >>Your point is ? 
> >
> > Streaking randomly across the sky like a meteor. 
> 
> 
> ....I thought so....
> 
My point was to create a bit of contention, which I have achieved.  Every
so often some liberal tries to deny that blacks cause the most crime. 
Which I find incredibly ironic considering that almost every white liberal
refuses to live amongst blacks or halfbreeds.  Anyway, now that a current
survey has been released that says what we have been saying for a long
time (liberals refuse to comprehend older surveys for some strange
reason).

Colin.


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> >>Your point is ? 
> >
> > Streaking randomly across the sky like a meteor. 
> 
> 
> ....I thought so....
> 
My point was to create a bit of contention, which I have achieved.  Every
so often some liberal tries to deny that blacks cause the most crime. 
Which I find incredibly ironic considering that almost every white liberal
refuses to live amongst blacks or halfbreeds.  Anyway, now that a current
survey has been released that says what we have been saying for a long
time (liberals refuse to comprehend older surveys for some strange
reason).

Colin.


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> >>Your point is ? 
> >
> > Streaking randomly across the sky like a meteor. 
> 
> 
> ....I thought so....
> 
My point was to create a bit of contention, which I have achieved.  Every
so often some liberal tries to deny that blacks cause the most crime. 
Which I find incredibly ironic considering that almost every white liberal
refuses to live amongst blacks or halfbreeds.  Anyway, now that a current
survey has been released that says what we have been saying for a long
time (liberals refuse to comprehend older surveys for some strange
reason).

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Talmud OKs Child Molestation
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> >> every single one. But first I will ask the main question. Where in
> the
> >> Bible
> >> is it forbidden for a man to give his 2 year old daughter in
> marriage
> >> to
> >> another person?
> >Read the Torah.  Marriage can only be consummated at an age that they
> can
> >produce children.
> 
> Really? So how could Abram be married to Sarah who was unable to have
> children until a miracle occured? Where do you see that that was
> forbidden? Where do you see it is forbidden to marry a women born
> without a uterus? Where do you see that a women who has entered
> menapause is unable to marry? None of this occurs except in your sick
> mind.
> 
What is the foundation of marriage or do you suffer from down's syndrome?

> >> >the little girl under three years." (Kethuboth 11b) is that of
> >> Sanhedrin
> >> >54b-55a:
> >> 1. What is the legal context of the discussion their. i.e. Why was
> >> this quoted? What was this to prove?
> >Perhaps you should reread the title of the post.
> 
> Maybe you should understand the subjects that you are trying to talk
> about.
> 
Pity nothing can be done for people who suffer from down's syndrome.

> >> 2. What does the Talmud understand this statement as meaning?
> >Could you please re-word this?
> 
> Alright I forgot for winners of the Children with Down Syndrome
> Scholarship I have to be careful how I write. Explain what the
> Talmud means with that statement. What it understands as the
> significance of the law.
>
To which part of the Talmud?  There are 63 "volumes", while I don't mind
reading,  63 verbose books is a little too much.  Also the Talmud cannot
understand (though someone with down's syndrome is unlikely to realize
this).

> >> 3.  Next a sociological question: What was the age of marriage then.
> >> (Both men and women)
> >It depends on the context of your question.  If you mean the Torah see
> >above.  If however the Talmud see below "A maiden aged three years ...
> in
> >marriage by coition."  If you were unaware coition means copulation. 
> The
> >next quote would imply the age for a male is at nine years.
> 
> You don't think that a girl of three is able to copulate? There was a
> case in New York of someone who raped a 2 or 3 year old child by the
> side of a highway. It would appear that emperically (that means
> according to factual evidence) it IS a possibility. (I will discuss
> all these passages in another post I willmake later today or
> tomorrow.
> 
I never mentioned that she couldn't (though I prefer not to think about
it).  Though I'd imagine a small penis would be required.  And since the
talmud is written for Jews, it would indicate that Jews have small penises
(also we cannot forget the Talmud quote of sodomising young boys).   

Colin.

P.S You have my sympathy for your condition.  If only there was some cure
for down's syndrome.


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Please ignore


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I had thought that the best example on the UseNet of a loser was Jeff Han,
but Michael Stein has surpassed his mark by a quarter mile.  Not only have
I personally smashed his challenge of finding a Rabbi that approved of a
marriage of three year old girl, he keeps reasserting it.  Then we have
Michael changing a post (that directly attacked my name) to
talk.religion.misc without giving warning (a post which he started). 
Perhaps he fears that I would embarrass his already diminished status on
alt.revisionism.

Then again, Michael Stein is a Jew.  Which I suppose lets him off the hook
for being brave and facing his loss like a man.

Colin.  Claiming victory once more.


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> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote from the Land of the
> Unexceptional:
> 
> > >While you may claim Jews have rather low
> > >child abuse rates, we can never know (unless some unbiased research is
> > >done).  Somehow I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Especially
> since
> > >some laws concerning the Talmud have come to light.
> 
> Poster, you are even more ignorant than some of the domestic types in this
> conference, if that's possible.
> 
> What does your silly statement mean?  There are a few Jewish criminals in
> the United States, and they're easily identified.  If a person is asked if
> he's Jewish in the U.S., he always answers honestly.  Jews don't have to
> hide their ancestry here. It would do them no harm or any good.  It's like
> asking a prisoner if he's right-handed or left-handed. 
> 
Perhaps the reason why we don't see more Jewish child molesting criminals
is because Jews justify such acts with their religious doctrines.

> There are many American studies dealing with the ethnicity of criminals in
> different classifcations of crimes, including sexual and violent crimes. 
> Such crimes are more common in the South and in Appalachia.   You don't
> even know what Appalachia is, and not knowing what it is, you pretend that
> it's not important.  Are you always so arrogant about your ignorance?
>
No I leave that to Mike Beebe, he displays arrogantly his ignorance in his
file signature.
 
> You're a small town hick, pal.  The southern suburbs of Los Angeles are as
> big as your country.  You don't know what kinds of demographic studies go
> on here.
> The Jewish population of Los Angeles alone is larger than the entire
> population of Aukland, your largest city.  Do you actually know three or
> four Jews, or do you just theorize down there at the end of the world?   
>
I take it this paragraph has some relevance?  What exactly?  Would my
material carry more authencity if I wrote from say Mexico City?
 
> I might add, you are not aytpical of antisemites.  
>
Your point being?
   
> > About the validity of Jewish men copulating with 3 minus year old girls
> > and sodomising 9 minus year old boys. Then of course the Talmudic
> > validiting copulation of three year old girls via marriage (probably
> when
> > the father wants to get rid of her, which is probably due to the loss of
> a
> > mount for himself).
> 
> Old boy, the Talmud most certainly does not sanction child molesting, and
> the acts which you mention above ARE child molesting.  Furthermore, the
> Talmud, which is the man-written interpretation of what religious Jews
> consider to be the 
> word of God, 

Obviously you haven't being paying attention, old fruit.  We have already
seen from Kethuboth 11a the sanctioning of marriage by coition to three
year old girls.

> is a damned sight more humane than the Bible, where God wipes
> out the entire human race to make a moral point, or kills off 42 children
> for pointing out a man's baldness, or tells Samson to go down to Gaza and
> kill the first several people he sees, or tests a man by telling him to
> kill his son, in order to see if he's faithful. The God of the Bible is
> one son of a bitch when he wants to be, and you've got to have a screw
> loose to take moral example from him.
>
Seems a very good moral example.  Only wish I could repeat some of those
acts.  Especially the ones concerning Canaanites.

Have you ever studied the concept of humanitarium laws or do you just
parrot the propaganda that goes with it?
 
> I am a Jew, but I am not a Goddist.  As far as I am concerned, all moral
> law derives from respect for my fellow human beings. In short, I shouldn't
> do to them what I woudn't want done to me.   Anything which doesn't fall
> under this is immoral.  You'll note that the god of my tribal ancestors
> didn't see fit to prohibit human slavery, and in fact directed the
> faithful to bring their slaves to Seder. (Or at least that's what the
> elders wanted to think.)  I consider owning human slaves to be near the
> top of the list of immoral acts.  So this god doesn't cut it for me.  
>
Obviously thinking doesn't cut it for you either.  Which God did the
Idumaeans worship again?
 
> How in the f*** could you overlook all this?! 
> 
> If you respond, would you mention what accredited school(s) you attended
> and what degrees if any you have obtained?  I wouldn't damn you for the
> lack of a formal degree or two or three, from a real school (as opposed to
> a place which teaches say, television repair), but if you don't have the
> degree, then it tells me that you're outside of your own society's
> mainstream.  (I can already give you my take on that!)  I would suspect
> the same syndrome in you that one finds in North American and European
> antisemites: a high degree of self-delusion and an inability to recognize
> that one's lot in life is largely up to oneself and not external forces
> such as "the Jews", or the positions of the planets.  
> 
Trying to make the rules are we?  Have you ever bothered to read where I
post from or is such thinking above you?  Since you are unaware I have
this bit called .ac. in my address.  Which means an academic institution. 
No doubt this escapes you.

> Get my drift?   
>
No.  I don't thrive on emotional arguments, only on logical arguments.
 
> The antisemites in this conference are the dregs of North American
> society, and except for a few who have obtained minimal degrees from
> non-accredited institutions  (e.g.,  "Ohio University" which is not to be
> confused with Ohio State University in Columbus) they are not destined for
> great careers.  In fact, their presence here will railroad their future
> careers in the mainstream.  Once you speak or write, you can't take it
> back.  One of these days, one of these dolts will have completely
> forgotten this silly period in his life and some investigative newspaper
> reporter will dredge it up for him when he runs for the local school
> board.    
> 
> ---------------------
> 
> I challenged ben-Trash, he of Appalachian antisemitic fame in this
> conference, telling him that cases involving even accusations (let alone
> convictions) of Jews molesting children are so rare that there have only
> been one or two in the last 20 years.  
> 
> I had in mind one case which occurred recently.  Sure enough, that's the
> one that ben-Trash knew about.  When two Hassidic rabbis were accused of
> groping a 15-year-old girl on a airplane flight to Los Angles., it
> received quite a bit of press.  The reason it got so much press is because
> Jews,  rabbis particularly, aren't known for doing that sort of thing. It
> was doubly shocking. It was like "man bites dog."  
> 
> If some low-class New Zealand sheepshit shoveller had groped the girl, it
> wouldn't rate mention in the press, because that's the kind of everyday
> behavior that your people commit.  But it's probably not very acceptable
> there, either. 
>
Apart from the emotionalism, the last two paragraphs are the most
logical.  However any one of some religious standing gets press for
groping young girls.  Jews are secretive (perhaps because of the sexual
deviances) and they currently label anything that could possibly mar that
perfect Jewish image as anti semitic.  Not racist, homophobic or any other
popular term, but anti semitic.  Any unbiased study at present into Jewish
circles is impossible.
 
> You like most antisemites are chiefly guilty of the error of omission. 
> You find something you misunderstand in the Talmud and you omit that the
> Bible is a book of terrible violence.  You find a Jewish child molester,
> and you omit that most child molestation is perpetrated by Christians.  
>
So where is child molestation perpetrated by christians in that book of
violence?
 
> You find one Jewish loan shark, and you conclude that Jews control world
> finance and omit that in the English-speaking countries, Jews were barred
> from 
> holding high positions in banks until recently.
>
No we find a lot of Jewish sharks, in fact this is a carry over theme from
history.
 
> You find that Jews hold high positions in universities, and you omit that
> you didn't study diligently.
>
More accurate assumptions.  Perhaps money doesn't talk?
 
> You find that Jews accomplish a lot, and you omit that you never finish
> anything.  
>
Oh yes, accurate assumptions again.
 
> You find that 30,000 prisoners, not 40,000, were murdered in one
> concentration camp, and you omit that 1.4 million Jews were murdered in
> another concentration camp. 
>
So where were these 1.4 million murdered Jews in another concentration camp?

 
> You just plain omit too much, and too often,  for your own good.
> 
How large is the internet or more important how large is the memory for
this newsgroup?  Of course we omit stuff.  Could you please come up with a
better argument?  Who wants to hear someone's complete life story on how
they came to such and such conclusion? Only what is relevant is important.


Colin.

P.S  Your quote "From the land of the unexceptional" portrays a lot of
ignorance.  Then again, arrogance with ignorance becomes you.


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> Michael Stein is trying to drag you into the mire with him.  He has
> accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who has the brain power
> of a retarded snail would write such a thing, either that or someone
> experienced in such sexual practises.  So I assume that Michael Stein is
> bearing false witness against you.  Guess Jews really don't like each
> other?
> 
> If my assumption is wrong, you're one lousy backstabber.  I didn't realize
> Jews were into sheep as well as three year old girls and nine year old
> boys.
> 
> Colin.


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Sorry about calling you Robert.

Colin.


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In article ,
cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:

> > Michael Stein is trying to drag you into the mire with him.  He has
> > accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who has the brain power
> > of a retarded snail would write such a thing, either that or someone
> > experienced in such sexual practises.  So I assume that Michael Stein is
> > bearing false witness against you.  Guess Jews really don't like each
> > other?
> > 
> > If my assumption is wrong, you're one lousy backstabber.  I didn't realize
> > Jews were into sheep as well as three year old girls and nine year old
> > boys.
> > 
> > Colin.

Sorry that should be Richard not Robert -- a formal apology can be found
in alt.revisionism.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> Colin, my boy, are you really E-mailing from a University? I would suggest
> that if you are going to persist with this nonsense about the Protocols and
> paedophile Rabbis you steer clear of Jewish social studies for your
dissertation.
> 
> -- 
> Alexander Baron
> 
Why's that?  

Colin.


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> Michael Stein is trying to drag you into the mire with him.  He has
> accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who has the brain power
> of a retarded snail would write such a thing, either that or someone
> experienced in such sexual practises.  So I assume that Michael Stein is
> bearing false witness against you.  Guess Jews really don't like each
> other?
> 
> If my assumption is wrong, you're one lousy backstabber.  I didn't realize
> Jews were into sheep as well as three year old girls and nine year old
> boys.
> 
> Colin.


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In article ,
cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:

> > Michael Stein is trying to drag you into the mire with him.  He has
> > accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who has the brain power
> > of a retarded snail would write such a thing, either that or someone
> > experienced in such sexual practises.  So I assume that Michael Stein is
> > bearing false witness against you.  Guess Jews really don't like each
> > other?
> > 
> > If my assumption is wrong, you're one lousy backstabber.  I didn't realize
> > Jews were into sheep as well as three year old girls and nine year old
> > boys.
> > 
> > Colin.

Sorry that should be Richard not Robert -- a formal apology can be found
in alt.revisionism.

Colin.


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> : So you are saying if someone had intelligence then it wasn't a stumper,
> : which is why you found it a stumper?
> 
> 
>      Colon, did you not eat your Vegamite and Wheatabrix this morning? All
>      your posts are totally weak. Keep this up and the Aryan Brotherhood
>      is gonna nail you to a cross like they did to their former "leader"
>      back in Sacto during the early 80's.
> 
> Mike "This act was the end result of 19 hours of drinking" Beebe
> --
It shows Mike.  I take it that your venture didn't cure your constipation
(you are still writing crap)?  If you really hate your colon, I'm quite
handy with my lucky butter knife.  Though I operate better with a teaspoon
(surgery that is).  An easier cure for your constipation would be a
laxative.  

Colin.


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> Michael Stein is trying to drag you into the mire with him.  He has
> accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who has the brain power
> of a retarded snail would write such a thing, either that or someone
> experienced in such sexual practises.  So I assume that Michael Stein is
> bearing false witness against you.  Guess Jews really don't like each
> other?
> 
> If my assumption is wrong, you're one lousy backstabber.  I didn't realize
> Jews were into sheep as well as three year old girls and nine year old
> boys.
> 
> Colin.


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In article ,
cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:

> > Michael Stein is trying to drag you into the mire with him.  He has
> > accused you of saying I fuck sheep.   Only someone who has the brain power
> > of a retarded snail would write such a thing, either that or someone
> > experienced in such sexual practises.  So I assume that Michael Stein is
> > bearing false witness against you.  Guess Jews really don't like each
> > other?
> > 
> > If my assumption is wrong, you're one lousy backstabber.  I didn't realize
> > Jews were into sheep as well as three year old girls and nine year old
> > boys.
> > 
> > Colin.

Sorry that should be Richard not Robert -- a formal apology can be found
in alt.revisionism.

Colin.


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> >She was already married to a priest before she was three.  Neither Michael
> >Stein or the Jew who suffers from down's syndrome have contradicted this. 
> >You will note that an investigation was undertaken about this situation.
> 
> Actually, it's been pointed out several times to you that the case was
> not about someone who was *married* before she was three, but someone
> who *converted* before she was three, and what implications does this have
> on her right to marry a priest (given that a female who converts as an
> adult is not permitted to marry a priest).

No, she was a daughter of a proselyte.  Use your imagination, how would a
three minus year old convert to another religion?  You will also note (and
Michael Stein agrees) that she was already married.  They were deciding on
whether he should be "excommunicated" or not.

> 
> So which dictionary is it that defines "parasite" as "Jew"?
> --
Maybe you should have a look at some old dictionaries, maybe you will
learn something -- highly unlikely, but sometimes even miracles do happen.

Colin.



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