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From: gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
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Subject: Re: Oberst Lindbergh
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In message  - bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
(Geoff Lupton) writes:
:>
:>Once again, we have the tired old tactic of labelling anyone in
:>favour of isolationism or America First a "Nazi". Pat Buchanan
:>can testify to the fact that this malicious strategy is still in
:>use today by those who wish to smear and label patriots.

For once in my life Geoff, I agree with much of what you say.  To overly 
smear Lindbergh after the fact is a classic example of revisionism, in the 
same way as _everyone_ now thinks the Allies were wrong to appease Hitler at 
Munich in 1938.  I don't agree with your politics, but I do agree that 
Lindbergh represented a large proportion of American thinking at the time.  
And we all conveniently forget how popular Hitler was at the time of the late 
1930's.



Gord McFee 

"I'll write no line before its time"




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In message  - bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
(Geoff Lupton) writes:
:>
:>Once again, we have the tired old tactic of labelling anyone in
:>favour of isolationism or America First a "Nazi". Pat Buchanan
:>can testify to the fact that this malicious strategy is still in
:>use today by those who wish to smear and label patriots.

For once in my life Geoff, I agree with much of what you say.  To overly 
smear Lindbergh after the fact is a classic example of revisionism, in the 
same way as _everyone_ now thinks the Allies were wrong to appease Hitler at 
Munich in 1938.  I don't agree with your politics, but I do agree that 
Lindbergh represented a large proportion of American thinking at the time.  
And we all conveniently forget how popular Hitler was at the time of the late 
1930's.



Gord McFee 

"I'll write no line before its time"




From bzs@world.std.com Sat Jun 10 19:48:08 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>Also note the jews have never stated whats contained in the book as false
>or wrong.

Hrm?

You just make this stuff up as you go along, right?

It's hard to imagine a book more disavowed by Jews than the "Protocols
of the Learned Elders of Zion".

In fact, it's hard to imagine a book more disavowed by anyone you
might choose, other than perhaps the Apocrypha.

The book takes entire sections, verbatim, from an earlier work by a
Maurice Joly who wrote his text as a satire of Napoleon III in 1864.

The earlier work it was largely plagiarized from exists. Joly was
imprisoned for writing his book, none of this is unknown or
mysterious.

"The Protocols" version was presented to Czar Nicholas in 1903 and had
been fabricated by some of his secret police, notably Sergei Nilus.

One of the more interesting thing to know is that copies around that
time claimed it was the proceeding of a meeting of Jews held at some
international congress in 1897. Unfortunately, copies of the text have
been found to exist as early as 1884!

Not to mention the chunks taken from an 1864 work.

This is silly.

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From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 10 20:28:54 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
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> >> Egypt practiced brother/sister marriages, especially 
> >> Ok. Any empires that owed their longetivity to inbreeding, then? 
> >> (inbreeding being the only alternative to miscegenation). I am sure 
> you 
> >> can find any number of common factors to them ...
> 
> >Sure.  Ancient Egypt practiced brother/sister marriages, especially among
> >their royal dynasties.  Ramses II was the product of five generations of
> >this type of inbreeding.
> 
> >> the Celts and the Norse both were a stew of many different "races"
> 
> >So our ancestors practiced mixing.  Does that mean that we aren't allowed
> >to learn?
 
> So is Les proposing to fuck his sister? 

A lot of the so called brother/sister marriages were typically cousins. 
You'll find in a lot of ancient languages the words mean the same.  So
they could be translated so and so married his cousin or so and so married
his sister. I'm not saying sister = cousin, the words used typically refer
being of the same household.  These words could include Uncles, Aunts and
those further separated, the more important the family the larger pool of
relatives contained within that household.  For example, the Saxon Kings
of England, a new king could be chosen from a larger pool than the late
man's immediate family.  William the Conqueror claimed kinship to Edward
the Confessor as a proof of his validity to the throne.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 10 20:29:24 PDT 1995
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> >Ah, Colin McKinstry - my favorite, brain-dead Nazi. 

Elena are you a nurse or are you experienced with being brain dead?  Or
perhaps you are still brain dead?  Perhaps the reason you are brain dead
is the heavy heroin usage?  Perhaps you should stop using heroin.  If
heroin is the reason for you being brain dead then I am most definitely
not taking your advice and using it. 

> >Didn't I tell
> >you to keep up on your medication, Colin? 

I'm still a bit reluctant to use heroin even after you assured me that
it's done you no harm.  You forgot to mention how many years you had been
taken heroin.  I'm not prepared to take heroin unless you have had at
least ten years of heavy usage and even then I want to see a photograph of
you (to see any visual signs of damage) as well as a medical report.  

> >And what are you doing
> >out of a.p.white-power? Surely you realize the terms of your parole
> >don't allow for that?

I'm a master escape artist.  Thanks for your inquiry.
 
> >Now let's just try and discuss things scientifically, shall we?

Obviously you don't believe in leading by example:
> 
> >If you want people who are "racially pure" you need look no further
> >than Amerinds, up and down the Americas.

Does this include the North American Indians whom geneticists say are a
mixture of races? 

> >All of these people were
> >so genetically similar that they were rendered nearly extinct by
> >the diseases carried by us Euro-trash, having not the breadth of
> >anti-microbial response that our mixed up ancestors had (Asian
> >and African, with a dash of whatever).

Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
extremely vulnerable to disease.

> 
> >If fact - Europeans are nothing if not a mixture themselves! Surely
> >you don't think we evolved on the spot, out of some proto-human
> >Neanderthal? 

No the polynesian hold that spot.

> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.

So you disagree with Shannon who wrote about the migrations of the
Caucasian from the Caucasus Mountains?

> 
> >--- Elena -----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Elena, it is even much more complex than that. First there were the
> neolithic Europeans. They were at least composed of 3 distinct "races". 
> Then there were the small band of "aryans" who invaded them almost 4000 
> years ago. They were martial and patriarchic; livestock farmers and 
> hunters, and could easily subdue a vastly outnumbering population. They 
> were soon assimilated wherever they conquered, and the subsequent 
> generations looked at their distant, un-assimilated relatives (if there 
> were any around, as in ancient Greece) as uncouth savages. Soon the 
> "aryans" were completely and utterly assimilated into the gene pool, but 
> left the legacy of their language, with its peculiar grammar, which has 
> (as Nietzsche has pointed out, referring to the subject/object dichotomy) 
> left us with a bunch of useless prejudices about the world ... "Aryan 
> influence has corrupted the world" (Nietzsche)

So you disagree with various anthropologists (Doctor L.A Waddell,
anthropologist and historian  "The Pheonician origins of the Scots, Brits
and Anglo Saxons")?
Perhaps you should investigate skull shapes of Albania with the caucasian
race of today. As Waddell points out you get a new race when you mix two
races together.  The skulls are different.

> 
> Then there were the nomads of the steppes, two races of them, each of 
> several nations and tribes. Fenno-Ugrics and Ural-Altaics, each of whom 
> have several times made wide inroads into Europe. Today, the descendants 
> of those "races" are so utterly and hopelessly mixed up that there is not 
> even a way to determine how much related they were in the first place ... 
> 
As mentioned before please look at anthropology.  See if the ancient races
bear witness to the races of today.

Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.

P.S Elena, if you do decide to stop using heroin perhaps you should talk
to JeFf HaN's pschiatrist, JeFf recommends him.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 10 20:29:48 PDT 1995
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Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 14:31:06 +1200
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> I said:
> >> >If you want people who are "racially pure" you need look no further
> >> >than Amerinds, up and down the Americas.
> >
> >Does this include the North American Indians whom geneticists say are a
> >mixture of races? 
> 
> Colin, we all know you couldn't read genetics research if you found it.
> You couldn't even read news re-hash of genetics research, otherwise
> you would know something, instead of the big nothing you do know.
> 
> Why don't you surprise us? Why don't you provide sources for this
> claim you have made, that the "North American Indians" are a
> "mixture of races?"

I didn't realise it was such a big secret.  It was on NZ national
television news (TV1, TV3) last May (maybe wrong on when it appeared), and
with NZ having tighter censorship I assumed it would have been on
somewhere in the States (I erred).  If I happen to see it on the telly
again I'll be sure to let you know.
Of course every so often it's mentioned in a journal, if I see an article
again I'll still let you know.
> 
> I continued:
> >> >All of these people were
> >> >so genetically similar that they were rendered nearly extinct by
> >> >the diseases carried by us Euro-trash, having not the breadth of
> >> >anti-microbial response that our mixed up ancestors had (Asian
> >> >and African, with a dash of whatever).
> >
> >Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
> >extremely vulnerable to disease.
> 
> If that were so, you'd be dead. Tell us: Have you ever heard of the
> concept of hybrid vigor? No, didn't think so.

Perhaps you should reread the laws of genetics concerning second and
further generations of half breeds.

> 
> and I continued:
> >> >In fact - Europeans are nothing if not a mixture themselves! Surely
> >> >you don't think we evolved on the spot, out of some proto-human
> >> >Neanderthal? 
> >
> >No the polynesian hold that spot.
> 
> Oh really? That's really funny, because it's your fellow Nazis who
> claim they are spawn of the Neanderthal. I see you don't even read all
> the lies you're supposed to be studying. 

In polynesia the neanderthal still exists.  Read an physical anthropolgy
textbook on polynesia.

> You probably skip ahead to 
> the part where you're promised that you get to murder little babies
> once you "take over."

Your right I missed that, darn.  Since you seem to have read it where is it?
Someone knows about my plans for world conquest, whose the bloody psychic?

> 
> and I said:
> >> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.
> >
> >So you disagree with Shannon who wrote about the migrations of the
> >Caucasian from the Caucasus Mountains?
> >
> Well, some folks may have passed through that area on their way to
> Europe, but the notion that the Caucasus are the home of the "Caucasian"
> race (which doesn't exist, by the way) is quite dated. So who's Shannon,
> and where did s/he say that?

Bely the ignorance, if you want to claim the above has any credentials you
need to have studied Shannon's works. Otherwise your just blowing a load
of hot air.
You should also note Shannon's works have never been disputed (it's too
well documented).

> 
> Then someone else said:
> >> Elena, it is even much more complex than that. First there were the
> >> neolithic Europeans. They were at least composed of 3 distinct "races". 
> >> Then there were the small band of "aryans" who invaded them almost 4000 
> >> years ago. They were martial and patriarchic; livestock farmers and 
> >> hunters, and could easily subdue a vastly outnumbering population. They 
> >> were soon assimilated wherever they conquered, and the subsequent 
> >> generations looked at their distant, un-assimilated relatives (if there 
> >> were any around, as in ancient Greece) as uncouth savages. Soon the 
> >> "aryans" were completely and utterly assimilated into the gene pool, but 
> >> left the legacy of their language, with its peculiar grammar, which has 
> >> (as Nietzsche has pointed out, referring to the subject/object dichotomy) 
> >> left us with a bunch of useless prejudices about the world ... "Aryan 
> >> influence has corrupted the world" (Nietzsche)
> 
> Is this what you're talking about? Hmmm. I don't see any mention of
> Caucasians there, nor their mountains. And let's examine the dates in 
> question, shall we? 4000 years ago is well within recent history. It's
> not even prehistory, since we easily had writing by then, and agriculture
> 6000 or more years before that. So what's your point? I'm talking about
> the first Europeans, who started to populate Europe 40,000 years ago.

And?     Was I supposed to think the above was correct?  Hence the following:
> 
> >So you disagree with various anthropologists (Doctor L.A Waddell,
> >anthropologist and historian  "The Pheonician origins of the Scots, Brits
> >and Anglo Saxons")?
> 
> I haven't read the good "Doctor" so I have no comment either way. In any
> event, you're still talking about recent history, in terms of 
> paleoanthropology.

Doctor Waddell talks about prehistory Britain as well.
> 
> >Perhaps you should investigate skull shapes of Albania with the caucasian
> >race of today. As Waddell points out you get a new race when you mix two
> >races together.  The skulls are different.
> 
> Oh my god. He's talking about skull shapes. But why should I be surprised?
> You are by far THE most ignorant cuss I've ever seen. Well, no, I do
> remember reading one Brian Bagnall - no, you're even dumber than Bagnall.
> Congratulations.

I see, your another liberal who doesn't like an point in an argument and
so belittles it with emotional name calling, not very scientific is it?
Explain to my ignorant self the unimportance of skull shapes and be sure
to use one syllable words so that I can comprehend it.
> 
> And someone else continued:
> >> Then there were the nomads of the steppes, two races of them, each of 
> >> several nations and tribes. Fenno-Ugrics and Ural-Altaics, each of whom 
> >> have several times made wide inroads into Europe. Today, the descendants 
> >> of those "races" are so utterly and hopelessly mixed up that there is not 
> >> even a way to determine how much related they were in the first place ... 
>  
> >As mentioned before please look at anthropology.  See if the ancient races
> >bear witness to the races of today.
> 
> As mentioned before, pull your head out of the garbage heap and get an
> education. That is, if you're educable, which I sincerely doubt.

Educable to what?  More liberal teachings? 
> 
> >Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.
> 
> Colin's reference to himself as "The abomination of the Earth" results
> from a previous exchange wherein he stated that infants born of an
> interracial union were "abominations" and should therefore be killed,
> along with their parents, and to which I responded by crowning him with
> the aforesaid title. Although, to resurect the poetry of it, I said
> that he was an "abomination upon the Earth."

I'm too much of an egomaniac to believe that anyone else could be an
abomination upon the Earth.  Hence my term "The abomination of the Earth".
> 
> It's rare that you see Nazis willing to admit openly the plans they have
> in store for the world, even as they so hypocritically engage in
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> Holocaust denial and historical revisionism.

Please define what you mean by hypocritical.

And please fill in these plans of mine which I have so unwittingly displayed.

Colin, and still The abomination upon the Earth (no dissenters please).


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> > : Another kingdom that collapsed was Ireland, the black/pug Irishman of
> > : Southern Ireland.  Mixed with the Assyrian/Negro.
> 
> This has got to be one of the loopier "theories" I've ever heard.
>  
Perhaps the author of the above would like to contradict the Irish history
books that talk about the three migrations waves into Ireland, 1.
Caucasians after the Assyrian conquests (fled to Ireland). 2. Caucasians
and Assyrians after the Babylonian conquests. 3.  Caucasians after the
Grecian conquests.
Southern Ireland is where the Assyrians went after the second migration
and we have claims of negro input from the next author (whom I'm not going
to dispute):
> 
> >      Curious what passes for history among the racially-fixated... I can 
> > tell you with all sincerity that the "black Irish" features stem from the 
> > Irish ancestral roots in the Iberian Peninsula (present-day Spain).  That 
> > is why, to this day, my family (in Northern Ireland) have a fairly 
> > Mediterranean look about them.  

Every book I've read on Irish history book that talks about the migration
movements into Ireland mention the Assyrian (the caucasian is my
interpretation, based on whose occupied Ireland for the last 2000 years).

Colin.


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Subject: Re: White Power Argument Tactics
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In article <3r29ge$1dgi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, jhan@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca
(Jeff Han) wrote:

> laramary@eden.rutgers.edu (The Sub-genius) writes:
> 
> 
> >       WP #1:  Hey, some guy is pounding us with good arguments, facts,
> >                and other qualities we have always lacked!  What do we
> >               do?!
> 
> >       WP #2:  Well, just do what we always do when faced with a loss;
> >               stop follow-ups to let the thread die, and later we will
> >               claim that we won the argument all together.
> 
>   They do that, but mainly they put people who are really taking it to them
> into their killfiles.  Classic WS `run from the truth' strategy...
> 
> >       WP #1:  That sounds like cowardice to me.
> 
> >       WP #2:  Of course it is!  We just won't admit it.  It's a time-
> >               honored tradition, it is.  Lies and cowardice have always
> >               been a part of the WP/Nazi/KKK/supremacist movement.
> 
> >       WP #1:  Gee, you're so smart...
> 
>    Maybe you should re-write it so that the two of them are married
first-cousins...

Forgive my poor deductive ability but is this supposed to be a retort or
an attack?  Could we please in future have something a bit more useful.
>  
>  JeFf HaN

It seems JeFf HaN this letter applys to you, Sub-genuis, Young Ho, joan,
Kevin Filan and lzaird (plus the others I've forgotton).  All of whom are
guilty of stopping follow ups, cowardice which seems to be a time honoured
liberal tradition.

Colin.


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In article <3r37v2$rbp@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:

> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
> 
> : Maybe Les didn't, but I did.  How's my response supposed to me?
> : Horror, Shock or something else?  Could you make your attacks a little
> : better this one's going in my book of liberal pet sayings.
> 
>    Here's one for your white-power sayings:
> 
>    "C'mon, sis -- wanna fuck?"

I didn't realise you were into white-power Mike? How else would you know
if someone from white-power practised incest.

Of course we can say that some liberals practise incest.  Take the
polynesians for example, it is well known that a 12 year old polynesian
girl is unlikely to be a virgin. Lost her virginity to either her father
or brother (all part of their culture).  And some polynesians are
liberals. 

> Mike "What do you say to a little fuck? Hello, Les!" Beebe
> --
You a homosexual Mike?  Like the drainpipe do we? Practise sodomy often?

Colin.  Being a bastard as usual.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jun 11 10:57:13 PDT 1995
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> >Ah, Colin McKinstry - my favorite, brain-dead Nazi. 

Elena are you a nurse or are you experienced with being brain dead?  Or
perhaps you are still brain dead?  Perhaps the reason you are brain dead
is the heavy heroin usage?  Perhaps you should stop using heroin.  If
heroin is the reason for you being brain dead then I am most definitely
not taking your advice and using it. 

> >Didn't I tell
> >you to keep up on your medication, Colin? 

I'm still a bit reluctant to use heroin even after you assured me that
it's done you no harm.  You forgot to mention how many years you had been
taken heroin.  I'm not prepared to take heroin unless you have had at
least ten years of heavy usage and even then I want to see a photograph of
you (to see any visual signs of damage) as well as a medical report.  

> >And what are you doing
> >out of a.p.white-power? Surely you realize the terms of your parole
> >don't allow for that?

I'm a master escape artist.  Thanks for your inquiry.
 
> >Now let's just try and discuss things scientifically, shall we?

Obviously you don't believe in leading by example:
> 
> >If you want people who are "racially pure" you need look no further
> >than Amerinds, up and down the Americas.

Does this include the North American Indians whom geneticists say are a
mixture of races? 

> >All of these people were
> >so genetically similar that they were rendered nearly extinct by
> >the diseases carried by us Euro-trash, having not the breadth of
> >anti-microbial response that our mixed up ancestors had (Asian
> >and African, with a dash of whatever).

Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
extremely vulnerable to disease.

> 
> >If fact - Europeans are nothing if not a mixture themselves! Surely
> >you don't think we evolved on the spot, out of some proto-human
> >Neanderthal? 

No the polynesian hold that spot.

> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.

So you disagree with Shannon who wrote about the migrations of the
Caucasian from the Caucasus Mountains?

> 
> >--- Elena -----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Elena, it is even much more complex than that. First there were the
> neolithic Europeans. They were at least composed of 3 distinct "races". 
> Then there were the small band of "aryans" who invaded them almost 4000 
> years ago. They were martial and patriarchic; livestock farmers and 
> hunters, and could easily subdue a vastly outnumbering population. They 
> were soon assimilated wherever they conquered, and the subsequent 
> generations looked at their distant, un-assimilated relatives (if there 
> were any around, as in ancient Greece) as uncouth savages. Soon the 
> "aryans" were completely and utterly assimilated into the gene pool, but 
> left the legacy of their language, with its peculiar grammar, which has 
> (as Nietzsche has pointed out, referring to the subject/object dichotomy) 
> left us with a bunch of useless prejudices about the world ... "Aryan 
> influence has corrupted the world" (Nietzsche)

So you disagree with various anthropologists (Doctor L.A Waddell,
anthropologist and historian  "The Pheonician origins of the Scots, Brits
and Anglo Saxons")?
Perhaps you should investigate skull shapes of Albania with the caucasian
race of today. As Waddell points out you get a new race when you mix two
races together.  The skulls are different.

> 
> Then there were the nomads of the steppes, two races of them, each of 
> several nations and tribes. Fenno-Ugrics and Ural-Altaics, each of whom 
> have several times made wide inroads into Europe. Today, the descendants 
> of those "races" are so utterly and hopelessly mixed up that there is not 
> even a way to determine how much related they were in the first place ... 
> 
As mentioned before please look at anthropology.  See if the ancient races
bear witness to the races of today.

Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.

P.S Elena, if you do decide to stop using heroin perhaps you should talk
to JeFf HaN's pschiatrist, JeFf recommends him.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jun 11 10:57:34 PDT 1995
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> I said:
> >> >If you want people who are "racially pure" you need look no further
> >> >than Amerinds, up and down the Americas.
> >
> >Does this include the North American Indians whom geneticists say are a
> >mixture of races? 
> 
> Colin, we all know you couldn't read genetics research if you found it.
> You couldn't even read news re-hash of genetics research, otherwise
> you would know something, instead of the big nothing you do know.
> 
> Why don't you surprise us? Why don't you provide sources for this
> claim you have made, that the "North American Indians" are a
> "mixture of races?"

I didn't realise it was such a big secret.  It was on NZ national
television news (TV1, TV3) last May (maybe wrong on when it appeared), and
with NZ having tighter censorship I assumed it would have been on
somewhere in the States (I erred).  If I happen to see it on the telly
again I'll be sure to let you know.
Of course every so often it's mentioned in a journal, if I see an article
again I'll still let you know.
> 
> I continued:
> >> >All of these people were
> >> >so genetically similar that they were rendered nearly extinct by
> >> >the diseases carried by us Euro-trash, having not the breadth of
> >> >anti-microbial response that our mixed up ancestors had (Asian
> >> >and African, with a dash of whatever).
> >
> >Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
> >extremely vulnerable to disease.
> 
> If that were so, you'd be dead. Tell us: Have you ever heard of the
> concept of hybrid vigor? No, didn't think so.

Perhaps you should reread the laws of genetics concerning second and
further generations of half breeds.

> 
> and I continued:
> >> >In fact - Europeans are nothing if not a mixture themselves! Surely
> >> >you don't think we evolved on the spot, out of some proto-human
> >> >Neanderthal? 
> >
> >No the polynesian hold that spot.
> 
> Oh really? That's really funny, because it's your fellow Nazis who
> claim they are spawn of the Neanderthal. I see you don't even read all
> the lies you're supposed to be studying. 

In polynesia the neanderthal still exists.  Read an physical anthropolgy
textbook on polynesia.

> You probably skip ahead to 
> the part where you're promised that you get to murder little babies
> once you "take over."

Your right I missed that, darn.  Since you seem to have read it where is it?
Someone knows about my plans for world conquest, whose the bloody psychic?

> 
> and I said:
> >> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.
> >
> >So you disagree with Shannon who wrote about the migrations of the
> >Caucasian from the Caucasus Mountains?
> >
> Well, some folks may have passed through that area on their way to
> Europe, but the notion that the Caucasus are the home of the "Caucasian"
> race (which doesn't exist, by the way) is quite dated. So who's Shannon,
> and where did s/he say that?

Bely the ignorance, if you want to claim the above has any credentials you
need to have studied Shannon's works. Otherwise your just blowing a load
of hot air.
You should also note Shannon's works have never been disputed (it's too
well documented).

> 
> Then someone else said:
> >> Elena, it is even much more complex than that. First there were the
> >> neolithic Europeans. They were at least composed of 3 distinct "races". 
> >> Then there were the small band of "aryans" who invaded them almost 4000 
> >> years ago. They were martial and patriarchic; livestock farmers and 
> >> hunters, and could easily subdue a vastly outnumbering population. They 
> >> were soon assimilated wherever they conquered, and the subsequent 
> >> generations looked at their distant, un-assimilated relatives (if there 
> >> were any around, as in ancient Greece) as uncouth savages. Soon the 
> >> "aryans" were completely and utterly assimilated into the gene pool, but 
> >> left the legacy of their language, with its peculiar grammar, which has 
> >> (as Nietzsche has pointed out, referring to the subject/object dichotomy) 
> >> left us with a bunch of useless prejudices about the world ... "Aryan 
> >> influence has corrupted the world" (Nietzsche)
> 
> Is this what you're talking about? Hmmm. I don't see any mention of
> Caucasians there, nor their mountains. And let's examine the dates in 
> question, shall we? 4000 years ago is well within recent history. It's
> not even prehistory, since we easily had writing by then, and agriculture
> 6000 or more years before that. So what's your point? I'm talking about
> the first Europeans, who started to populate Europe 40,000 years ago.

And?     Was I supposed to think the above was correct?  Hence the following:
> 
> >So you disagree with various anthropologists (Doctor L.A Waddell,
> >anthropologist and historian  "The Pheonician origins of the Scots, Brits
> >and Anglo Saxons")?
> 
> I haven't read the good "Doctor" so I have no comment either way. In any
> event, you're still talking about recent history, in terms of 
> paleoanthropology.

Doctor Waddell talks about prehistory Britain as well.
> 
> >Perhaps you should investigate skull shapes of Albania with the caucasian
> >race of today. As Waddell points out you get a new race when you mix two
> >races together.  The skulls are different.
> 
> Oh my god. He's talking about skull shapes. But why should I be surprised?
> You are by far THE most ignorant cuss I've ever seen. Well, no, I do
> remember reading one Brian Bagnall - no, you're even dumber than Bagnall.
> Congratulations.

I see, your another liberal who doesn't like an point in an argument and
so belittles it with emotional name calling, not very scientific is it?
Explain to my ignorant self the unimportance of skull shapes and be sure
to use one syllable words so that I can comprehend it.
> 
> And someone else continued:
> >> Then there were the nomads of the steppes, two races of them, each of 
> >> several nations and tribes. Fenno-Ugrics and Ural-Altaics, each of whom 
> >> have several times made wide inroads into Europe. Today, the descendants 
> >> of those "races" are so utterly and hopelessly mixed up that there is not 
> >> even a way to determine how much related they were in the first place ... 
>  
> >As mentioned before please look at anthropology.  See if the ancient races
> >bear witness to the races of today.
> 
> As mentioned before, pull your head out of the garbage heap and get an
> education. That is, if you're educable, which I sincerely doubt.

Educable to what?  More liberal teachings? 
> 
> >Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.
> 
> Colin's reference to himself as "The abomination of the Earth" results
> from a previous exchange wherein he stated that infants born of an
> interracial union were "abominations" and should therefore be killed,
> along with their parents, and to which I responded by crowning him with
> the aforesaid title. Although, to resurect the poetry of it, I said
> that he was an "abomination upon the Earth."

I'm too much of an egomaniac to believe that anyone else could be an
abomination upon the Earth.  Hence my term "The abomination of the Earth".
> 
> It's rare that you see Nazis willing to admit openly the plans they have
> in store for the world, even as they so hypocritically engage in
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
> Holocaust denial and historical revisionism.

Please define what you mean by hypocritical.

And please fill in these plans of mine which I have so unwittingly displayed.

Colin, and still The abomination upon the Earth (no dissenters please).


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> > : Another kingdom that collapsed was Ireland, the black/pug Irishman of
> > : Southern Ireland.  Mixed with the Assyrian/Negro.
> 
> This has got to be one of the loopier "theories" I've ever heard.
>  
Perhaps the author of the above would like to contradict the Irish history
books that talk about the three migrations waves into Ireland, 1.
Caucasians after the Assyrian conquests (fled to Ireland). 2. Caucasians
and Assyrians after the Babylonian conquests. 3.  Caucasians after the
Grecian conquests.
Southern Ireland is where the Assyrians went after the second migration
and we have claims of negro input from the next author (whom I'm not going
to dispute):
> 
> >      Curious what passes for history among the racially-fixated... I can 
> > tell you with all sincerity that the "black Irish" features stem from the 
> > Irish ancestral roots in the Iberian Peninsula (present-day Spain).  That 
> > is why, to this day, my family (in Northern Ireland) have a fairly 
> > Mediterranean look about them.  

Every book I've read on Irish history book that talks about the migration
movements into Ireland mention the Assyrian (the caucasian is my
interpretation, based on whose occupied Ireland for the last 2000 years).

Colin.


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In article <3r29ge$1dgi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, jhan@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca
(Jeff Han) wrote:

> laramary@eden.rutgers.edu (The Sub-genius) writes:
> 
> 
> >       WP #1:  Hey, some guy is pounding us with good arguments, facts,
> >                and other qualities we have always lacked!  What do we
> >               do?!
> 
> >       WP #2:  Well, just do what we always do when faced with a loss;
> >               stop follow-ups to let the thread die, and later we will
> >               claim that we won the argument all together.
> 
>   They do that, but mainly they put people who are really taking it to them
> into their killfiles.  Classic WS `run from the truth' strategy...
> 
> >       WP #1:  That sounds like cowardice to me.
> 
> >       WP #2:  Of course it is!  We just won't admit it.  It's a time-
> >               honored tradition, it is.  Lies and cowardice have always
> >               been a part of the WP/Nazi/KKK/supremacist movement.
> 
> >       WP #1:  Gee, you're so smart...
> 
>    Maybe you should re-write it so that the two of them are married
first-cousins...

Forgive my poor deductive ability but is this supposed to be a retort or
an attack?  Could we please in future have something a bit more useful.
>  
>  JeFf HaN

It seems JeFf HaN this letter applys to you, Sub-genuis, Young Ho, joan,
Kevin Filan and lzaird (plus the others I've forgotton).  All of whom are
guilty of stopping follow ups, cowardice which seems to be a time honoured
liberal tradition.

Colin.


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In article <3r37v2$rbp@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:

> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
> 
> : Maybe Les didn't, but I did.  How's my response supposed to me?
> : Horror, Shock or something else?  Could you make your attacks a little
> : better this one's going in my book of liberal pet sayings.
> 
>    Here's one for your white-power sayings:
> 
>    "C'mon, sis -- wanna fuck?"

I didn't realise you were into white-power Mike? How else would you know
if someone from white-power practised incest.

Of course we can say that some liberals practise incest.  Take the
polynesians for example, it is well known that a 12 year old polynesian
girl is unlikely to be a virgin. Lost her virginity to either her father
or brother (all part of their culture).  And some polynesians are
liberals. 

> Mike "What do you say to a little fuck? Hello, Les!" Beebe
> --
You a homosexual Mike?  Like the drainpipe do we? Practise sodomy often?

Colin.  Being a bastard as usual.


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In article <3r62rs$1hca@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

> In article , 
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz says...
> 
> >I don't seem to see Les and his ilk saying that their tough either.  You
> >came up with the statement, so if you can't take it don't write it.  You
> >see, unlike you folks, I don't go around spurting verbal diarhaea.
> 
> Golly, I couldn't agree with you more. I am sure the correct word should 
> be "spouting."
> 
No spurting is the word I intended. Spurting as in fluid action.

Colin.


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> Just for fun, a list of European empires which collapsed due to a lack of
> miscegenation.  Cetic-Latin-Germanic assumed to be all components of
> "White", as they are all present in W., N., and non-Slavic Central
> European peoples.
> 
> Etruscan Empire (6th Century BC)
> Athenian Empire (4th Century BC)
> Visigothic Empire in Spain (8th Century AD) 
> Carolingian Empire (8th-10th Century AD)
> King Canute's Empire (9th Century AD?) - England, Scandinavia
> Anglo-Saxon England (1066)
> Teutonic Knights in Baltic (Late Middle Ages)
> Holy Roman Empire (17th-19th Century) - Gradual decline of once great     
>                                                           Germanic Empire 
> Swedish Empire (Early 18th Century) - arguably the purest Nordic Empire
> ever,                                                          barely
> lasted a century
> Austria-Hungary (1918) - The Germans and Magyars were fiercely
> nationalist,                                      refusing to mix with the
> Slavs and causing their downfall
> Third Reich (1945) - Self-evident
> British Empire (1950's, 1960's) - Very color-conscious empire, marriage
> outside                                                 one's color
> frowned upon in Caribbean, India,                                         
>        and Africa, and look what happened.

Perhaps you failed to notice that they might have fallen but they came back,
except of course when they miscegenated later on. All you've really listed
is when a "dynasty" has fallen but was replaced by an another.  The ones I
listed
never came back except when the land was reoccupied by a new power and people.
For example the Vesdu and the Aryan rule over India.

Perhaps you didn't notice with the British Empire that it became a
Commonwealth of nations.  Each country paying respect to the crown while
remaining autonomous.  One mustn't forget the role of the States when it
comes to the collapse of the British Empire.

Colin.


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> Bely the ignorance, if you want to claim the above has any credentials you
> need to have studied Shannon's works. Otherwise your just blowing a load
> of hot air.
> You should also note Shannon's works have never been disputed (it's too
> well documented).
> 

Well I made an error, going over my notes last night the name should be
Sharon Turner.  Please accept my apology (how could I expect you to know
about someone who didn't exist).

Though the Caucasus mountains still exist (under that name) please use a
Russian map, as you can guess they are unlikely to appear anywhere in a
map of America.

Colin, and still The abomination upon the Earth.


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 > |> >>>Half breeds are only resistant to a few diseases, they are normally
> > |> >>>extremely vulnerable to disease.
> > 
> >       What sort of half-wit wrote this?
> >       Obviously, someone who knows little about epidemiology.
> >       
> >       First of all, you need to dilineate between the different types
> >       of diseases.   Are you talking about genetically inherited defects,
> >       bacterial infections, or viral infections?  Or do you even know that
> >       this distinction matters.
> >       
> >       In terms of genetic defects, cross breeding tends to supress
> >       allele expression.  Thus, you probably get a healthier organism.
> 
I was generalising.  Cross breeding is mainly guesswork (like
african/european honey bee mixes).  Yes, occasionally you find an
incredibly resistant half breed. Only met one myself (got sick as often as
an average white) a first generation half breed.  Oh if you don't think I
get a lot of exposure to half breeds then come visit Auckland New Zealand
the most multicultural city in the world.  You can witness for yourself
half breeds in action.  

Colin.


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> What the hell does that mean? Doesn't "breed" true. Since when are there
> "breeds" of humans. We've never been "bred" and consequently are about
> as similar as it's possible to be. Can you at least step into the 
> latter half of the 20th century in terms of science, please?

I take it from your statement that you cannot grasp the concept of a breed
of dog, horse, sheep, bovine or cat either. 

> 
> >(Elena)
> >>>> >Not a bit of it. First came the folks from the East
> >>>> >to the population-free northern climes. Then came the folks from the
> >>>> >south (Africans - black Africans) and voila! Mix them all together
> >>>> >and what have you got? Europeans. Such a delicious recipe, too.
> >
> >So the logical extension of what you're saying is that cross-breeds are
> >superior to Blacks.
> 
> Logical only to ignoramuses like you, Les. Do you really not know that
> there is more genetic variation by far among sub-Saharan Africans than
> exists among the whole of the non-African population? Thus, there can
> be infinitely greater distance, genetically, between to black Africans
> then could be found between you (presuming you're European) and any
> Chinese man in Asia.

What sort of logic to you use, Mickey Mouse's?  You'll note Les was not
commenting about genetic variation but about cross-breeds.
> 
> I've told you many times: things like skull shapes, eyelids, body
> build, and pigmentation are directly selected for by the external
> environmental effects of weather, latitude and geography.

About the only one of the list is relevant is build.  Have you come up
with a theory on how skull shapes change shape (not writing about the
effect of a hammer on one's skull).  How long does it need (40 generations
perhaps)?
> 
> That's why people from really hot climates are often slender, with
> short torsos and long limbs, while people from cold climates present
> the opposite appearance.

Only example you've given is build.
> 
> It's these very superficial traits that 17th and 18th century
> naturalists based the whole concept of race on. They didn't know
> then what we know today about genetics, and they had their own
> motives for carving the species up as they did. 
> 
> We don't have to remain fixated on old, discredited and outdated
> science in population biology, anymore than we have to be stuck in
> the astronomy of that era. Had we been so backward in astronomy and
> physics, we never would have had the space program, or walked on the
> moon, any one of a million advances we have made because we pursued
> an open minded and scientific course.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how the ancients (who were sooooo ignorant)
managed to name the centre of the Milky Way Galaxy?  

> 
> Now we're faced with an era of immense gains in our understanding of
> these very issues of race that you are so obsessed with, and 
> because the answers we are deriving don't jibe with your geocentric
> way of viewing things, you want to deny their existence.
> 
> Well, I'll tell you Les - you can look in the mirror and deny it
> to yourself all you want, but when you get up on the net and promulgate
> 18th century science in a 21st century world, you just make a complete
> fool of yourself, and a laughing stock of your backward philosophies.
> 
While you like to say we have an open minded and scientific course. Would
you please explain why natural anthropology is a banned discipline.  Got
outlawed completely about ten years ago.  I've been tempted to reproduce
some articles but with the Western Governments ranting and raving over the
evil internet I didn't want to give them some real ammunition.  Then of
course various inventions disappear because of our open mindedness. For
example Nikola Tesla came up with more than two inventions, yet nobody
(another generalisation) has ever heard of his other inventions.

Oh, you should note there is a discipline in genetics that study genetics
in regard to human migrations (Encyclopedia Brittanica v14pp465 1989). So
perhaps those outmoded sciences aren't outmoded (just to modern
propaganda).

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: White Power Argument Tactics
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In article <3r29ge$1dgi@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, jhan@gpu1.srv.ualberta.ca
(Jeff Han) wrote:

> laramary@eden.rutgers.edu (The Sub-genius) writes:
> 
> 
> >       WP #1:  Hey, some guy is pounding us with good arguments, facts,
> >                and other qualities we have always lacked!  What do we
> >               do?!
> 
> >       WP #2:  Well, just do what we always do when faced with a loss;
> >               stop follow-ups to let the thread die, and later we will
> >               claim that we won the argument all together.
> 
>   They do that, but mainly they put people who are really taking it to them
> into their killfiles.  Classic WS `run from the truth' strategy...
> 
> >       WP #1:  That sounds like cowardice to me.
> 
> >       WP #2:  Of course it is!  We just won't admit it.  It's a time-
> >               honored tradition, it is.  Lies and cowardice have always
> >               been a part of the WP/Nazi/KKK/supremacist movement.
> 
> >       WP #1:  Gee, you're so smart...
> 
>    Maybe you should re-write it so that the two of them are married
first-cousins...

Forgive my poor deductive ability but is this supposed to be a retort or
an attack?  Could we please in future have something a bit more useful.
>  
>  JeFf HaN

It seems JeFf HaN this letter applys to you, Sub-genuis, Young Ho, joan,
Kevin Filan and lzaird (plus the others I've forgotton).  All of whom are
guilty of stopping follow ups, cowardice which seems to be a time honoured
liberal tradition.

Colin.


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In article <3r37v2$rbp@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:

> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
> 
> : Maybe Les didn't, but I did.  How's my response supposed to me?
> : Horror, Shock or something else?  Could you make your attacks a little
> : better this one's going in my book of liberal pet sayings.
> 
>    Here's one for your white-power sayings:
> 
>    "C'mon, sis -- wanna fuck?"

I didn't realise you were into white-power Mike? How else would you know
if someone from white-power practised incest.

Of course we can say that some liberals practise incest.  Take the
polynesians for example, it is well known that a 12 year old polynesian
girl is unlikely to be a virgin. Lost her virginity to either her father
or brother (all part of their culture).  And some polynesians are
liberals. 

> Mike "What do you say to a little fuck? Hello, Les!" Beebe
> --
You a homosexual Mike?  Like the drainpipe do we? Practise sodomy often?

Colin.  Being a bastard as usual.


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In article <3r62rs$1hca@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>,
jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) wrote:

> In article , 
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz says...
> 
> >I don't seem to see Les and his ilk saying that their tough either.  You
> >came up with the statement, so if you can't take it don't write it.  You
> >see, unlike you folks, I don't go around spurting verbal diarhaea.
> 
> Golly, I couldn't agree with you more. I am sure the correct word should 
> be "spouting."
> 
No spurting is the word I intended. Spurting as in fluid action.

Colin.


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In article ,
pkramer@connix.com (Peter Kramer) wrote:

> >   Perhaps you should see a physician, Colin; you may have to renew
your valium

I take it you know of a good one?  Do physicians in your corner of the
world give out valium so freely?  Please tell your physician for me that
he is doing a great job proscribing valium to you so far and that he
should continue the treatment.  He must be a great man.  

> > prescription.  As for that part about the Jews' "delicacies (eg.,
> homosexuality)

Perhaps you should do some reading on the jew, like for example the sexual
preference of the average Israeli soldier.  Until the politically correct
terminology it was reasonably well known that jews suffered heavily from
homosexuality (statistics before the 60's might help).

> 
> 
> Lithium would be more appropriate.  Perhaps cyanide.
                                              ^^^^^^^

You mean the special formula while having Zyclon B, but doesn't leave
traces in concrete like the Germans used at Auchwitz?   

Colin.


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In article , sgarza@csubak.edu
(Steve  Garza) wrote:

> In article ,
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:
> 
> (bearcat's long rational message deleted.)

You another one that believes he writes rational letters?  Could you
please show us an example of your achievements?  I seemed to have missed
any rational message that you have posted. They all seem to be irrational
likes bearcat's verbatim.
> 
> > And we are to assume your letter was dealing with such things as logic,
> > science and intelligence?
> > By your own definition you've made yourself a nazi.
> > And you seem to hate Nazi's.  Which would mean you hate yourself. 
Before you
> > commit suicide you should contact Jeanne, she seems to have a fetish with
> > those that commit suicide.
> > 
> > Colin.
> 
> And am I to assume that you read his essay and then dismiss it with a
> little paragraph? 

Yes, it's amazing how succinct I can be.  Reduce a long piece of waffle
down to a few lines.

> Lester likes to do this too. He reads some long post and
> responds with a few lines. Hey, if bearcat is a Nazi that doesn't mean he
> has to buy the crap about the holocaust as never happening or Jews being
> nefarious and controlling the economy. 

The point was he hated Nazis' then he defined Nazi's which unknownly
described himself.  I'm not one to miss such a oppurtunity (though I might
since these types of letters seem to on the increase). Since he hated
Nazi's and his own definition made him a nazi. Then logically he hated
himself. QED.

> You don't get it do you. Hitler
> wanted to build a fantastic country with majestic buildings, science,
> aesthetics, and a better race of people through controlled breeding. Those
> were his goals for his country. But he needed a scapegoat to rally the
> people together. He found the Jews. If there had been no Jews, but a
> minority of Arabs, Asians, or blacks then those people would be been his
> scapegoats. He just needed an enemy. Educated people won't stand for ideas
> like that anymore. Just because the government of Iran would like to
> destroy America and create a holy war against the west does not make all
> Muslims evil. Just because a few rotten apples decide to blow up the trade
> center in New York does not mean that Muslims should be put in
> concentration camps or shipped off to Lebanon or some such place.

Perhaps you should take a history lesson on Jews and rulers.  They always
seem to come to odds at some point.  Perhaps that is the real reason?
> 
> I am making sense to anyone or am I wasting my time? It seems like a bunch
> of common sense to me but hey, most posters here probably have not taken a
> critical thinking or logic class so I should not assume anything.

Yes you would be right.  We can assume your one that hasn't attended a
critical thinking or logic class either. Either that or you never apply
it.

Colin.


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> >You mean the special formula while having Zyclon B, but doesn't leave
> >traces in concrete like the Germans used at Auchwitz?   
> 
> Which concrete, used at Auschwitz, shows no traces of Zyklon B, Mr.
> McKinstry?
> 
All except the laundry walls (where they found some in the delousing area).

Colin.


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> 
> Perhaps you would be advised to read a little more carefully what Les and his 
> ilk write, and attempt to decipher what they stand for.  Once you have done 
> that, you might wish to re-read the thread and maybe then you will understand 
> the point I was making.  If this is too challenging for you, I'll forgive you.
> 
> In any event, sir, I can take it.  And you might be well advised to lose the 
> excrement images--reminds one too much of Hitler's fascination with it.
> 
> 
So when did Les and his ilk write they were tough Gord or do you make it
up as you go? You didn't like it when I reapplyed the term to you with
your eloquent defence "I didn't say I was tough".  So you would be advised
to read a little more carefully what Les and his ilk write, and attempt to
decipher what they stand for.  Once you have done that, you might wish to
re-read the thread and maybe then you will understand the point I was
making.  If this is too challenging for you, I'll forgive you.

Colin.


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> >    Mr. Joshua seems unaware that Churchill and many others - FAR more
> >than believe in the authenticity of the Protocols - believed 
> >in the Nazi
> >gas chambers, too.  May we assume that in light of this startling new
> >information, he will now accept that homicidal gassing of Jews by the
> >Nazis must have been true to some extent at least? 
> 
> ..
> >    The double standard of the hypocritical Mr. Joshua (and Colin 
> >McKinstry, Chris Fowlie, and many other Holocaust deniers) stands 
> >revealed in the way they argue for the authenticity of the Protocols.
> 
How does Churchill's testimony bear witness for the so called falsity of
the Protocols?  What ethnic group was Churchill's mother?
> 
> >    To him, the fact that influential people 
> >believe in the Protocols is 
> >evidence that there is some truth to them.  But the fact that 
> >far more people believe in the Holocaust is of no consequence.
> 
> ..
Whether influential people believe in them is of little consequence.  What
is contained within has far more merit.  Would you care to argue over
other books which you haven't read?  Why don't you read it? Afraid that we
might be right and that you might be wrong? 

Colin.

P.S When you start waffling could you please keep it to a minimum?


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> Mr. McKinstry claims that a previous note is untruthful:
> 
> >I don't believe you.  I've had access to the available book catalogues,
> >and no one had the Protocols for sale (this was a University book
> >Catalogue that access to International titles).
> 
> Perhaps in his country this may be so. In the United States there is at
> least one mail order source for this filth. If he is really curious I will
> happily post it on the condition that he withdraw his insinuation that the
> previous note was untruthful.

It did not appear in any book catalogue in America.
I know because I tried to find it.
> 
Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
Protocols.  So why would I want to get one?

Colin.


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> I've just done a search at Oxford University Library and found the following 
> entry:
> 
>  Author(s): Nilus, Sergei Aleksandrovich, 1862-1929
>  Title:     The Jewish peril : protocols of the learned elders of Zion
>  Publisher: "The Britons", London, 1920
>  Edition:   3rd ed
> 
>  Note:      Translated from Russian
> 
>  Subjects:  Communism / Jewish question
> 
>             95 p. ; 23 cm
> 
> There are also entries for Polish and French translations, and another
edition 
> published in 1985 by an Islamic organisation. All are marked as being in 
> the library. These all-powerful Jews of Ricky's imagination don't seem to be 
> quite so good at banning books as he appears to think. 
> 
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that public libraries often have the
Protocols. Which is where I read it.

Colin.


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> >> the Swedish dynasty stayed intact, but 
> >> Sweden lost 1/2 its territory. 
> >> Today, Sweden is an insignificant country noted perhaps for a high
> >> standard of living and neat furniture, but as a world power, 
> >> it's nothing.
> >>  This despite a racially "pure" population.
> >
> >You'll note Sweden is still going well. Whereas Portugal 
> >isn't.  I forgot to mention I have Portuguese friends as well 
> >(deary me such ignorance on my part).
> 
> How long since your friends have been home? Oh, and are they nazi
> kooks like you?

They go back approximately once a year.  The ring up their parents
reasonably often.  And no their not nazi kooks (whatever that means),
there as liberal as you are.

> 
> Portugal's problems in the current era stem in large measure from 
> the fascist dictatorship that wasn't overthrown until 1974. After
> that it took 11 years of wobbling as they tried to get their
> democratic footing. 
>
The pre 1945 Encyclopedia Brittanica (under Portugal) puts it down to
racial mixing.  That is until such things were censored (couldn't offend
the Portugeuse could we?).
 
> It took strong leadership to foster the beginnings of stability;
> I would point out that said leadership has been, on the whole,
> quite conservative. Although still troubled by a great deal of
> poverty for too many of its citizens, Portugal has been on the
> upswing for several years, and has the fastest growing economy
> in Europe.
> 
> Do you believe in democracy? And what the hell does "miscegenation"
> have to do with it?
> 
No I do not believe in democracy.  It comes from the greek diamontes.  Di
means split or schism.  Montes means government. I do not believe in Split
or schismed government.  The word demon has the same root.  Demonocracy.

Colin.


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> : Perhaps you could educate your liberal buddies to the art of reasoning. 
> : Your friends have shown no ability in the art of reasoning.
> 
> : >  Have
> : > : you done a course recently that has taught you both to reason?
> : > 
> : > No, we just pay attention to the real world.
> 
> : Yes, while be both like Donald Duck, but Donald Duck does not constitute
> : the real world.   
> 
> You're kind of hard to talk with. I'm not sure I understand what you're
> trying to say here. Let me just reiterate: facts, history, the way the world
> turns, the way historical forces move, the way individuals and cultures
> interact--that's the real world. Of course, I'll watch Donald Duck 
> anytime I have an opportunity. After all, I'm a red-blooded Amurrican
> boy.

Donald Duck world (at Walt Disney) is the world you live in (your claim to
paying attention to the real world).  It's sarcasm, I'm prone to using it
on flippant remarks.
 
> Okay. Give me a lesson in reasoning. Les won't, even when I whine.

Unfortunately it is genetic.  Few people have it.
> 
> [clip]
> 
> : > I call no one a brute, Colin. 
> 
> : You might if you saw me (hey! a one syllable sentence). Elena states that
> : I'm The abomination of the Earth.
> 
> See, you're teaching me stuff already. Elena must know you a lot better 
> than I do. I'd still not call you the abomination of the earth. I'd call
> the State, the military, and big business the abomination of the earth. 
> I'd call every human being a victim of the beast that we've allowed to 
> be created. Call it Mammon; call it Caesar; call it the Principalities and
> the Powers. Call it by its filthy name: Evil.

I don't see a problem with this.  Perhaps you do have some reasoning ability.
Elena is a pyschic.  She can make claims about all sorts of stuff.  She
guessed I was a hunk of slime, I was planning on taking over the world
with my sheep legion and of course my favourite "The abomination of the
Earth".  
> 
> : Misinformed, scared, and filled with
> : > blather, but never a brute.
> 
> : Misinformed? well lets see, I used to be a liberal once.  Guess that is
> : what made me misinformed.
> 
> Forget the "liberal" nonsense. I'm not a liberal either (although I'm
> clearly more influenced by classical and other liberals than you). I'd
> argue--can you guess?--that you're misinformed if you use shadows as
> your reasons for the way the world works. It ain't Jews, dude. It's classes.

How do classes affect anything?  What you learn in academia is largely
crap with a few good bits and pieces.  Lecturers by in large have no
concept of the world in action.  Otherwise they wouldn't be lecturing.
> 
> : Scared?  Well I used to have a mild fear of heights, that is until I
> : overcame it. 
> 
> When the world's falling apart--as it transparently is--people get 
> (naturally) scared. One of our biggest failings is to go for the simplest
> answers. I know because I've done that myself. Seems to me that white
> nationalists go for head-in-the-clouds conspiracy theories to try and 
> make sense of a very complicated world situation. It provides a worldview
> and understanding. Same kind of base as Biblical literalism, etc. Answers,
> but then you can't go looking for questions any longer. At least, since
> you think you know how the world works, you don't have to be afraid any
> longer.
> 
No, I now look for the Jews involved in it.  How they managed to hide
their actions and fool almost everybody with it.  While I agree not every
Jew is in on it (every race (ethnic group) has it's lower classes), the
Jew is behind most of worlds problems.  This is further helped by the
liberals.  How can you say that we shouldn't fear?  There is a huge war
brewing.  


> : Filled with blather? Guess I am, I reply to letters that contain nothing
> : but blather.  So logically all I can do is add to it.
> 
> No, you could refute me. Or teach me to reason in your sense of the word.
>
If I was trying to "convert" you over to my side I would use such
tactics.  Unfortunately I have read Pro-verbs concerning certain groups of
people. With that knowledge I know better than trying to teach them
anything.

> 
> Nope, don't do that. I'll leave it to Dracula.

Perhaps you realize that Dracula is about a Jew (Vladimar the Impaler)?
> 
> : Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.
> 
> Be well, Colin.
> -- 
Only on Wednesdays.

Being an interesting discussion Chris, thanks.

Colin, and still The abomination of the Earth.


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> > Oh,  as stated before Jesus was from Galilee.  Therefore regionally he
> > couldn't have been a jew (jew was a regional term, implying you were from
> > the place called Judaea).
> 
> Really? What about all that stuff about being slaves in Egypt?
> 
> But this is silly. Look up Jew in the dictionary:
> 
> jew \ju\ n -s
> 1:  a:Judahite (hey! there is such a word)  b:Isrealite

Claims and nothing but claims.  One of these things that become fact by
much repetition (for example the Greenhouse Effect).
> 
> 2:  a member of the nation existing in Palestine from the 
> 6th century B.C. to the 1st century A.D. within which the elements
> of Judaism largely developed

Interesting comment, perhaps you should Josephus in this time era.
> 
> 3:  a person belonging to the worldwide group constituting continuation
> of descent or conversion of the ancient Jewish people and characterized
> by a sense of community; esp: one whose religion is Judaism - see
> Ashkenazi, Sephardi

So who are the Ashkenazi and Sephardi?
> 
> 4:  a person believed to drive a hard bargain  

> 
> Yep. Sounds like Jesus was a Jew. Like I said, if he existed at
> all.

Better do some more work.
> 
Jew is also a derogatry word.  Ever heard the term "Your a Jew-boy"?

Colin.


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> >> >Hate to burst your bubble, Barecat (actually, I don't), but there was no
> >> >Nazareth in Jesus' time, according to Roman maps.  Jesus was a NAZARENE,
> >> >not "of Nazareth".
> >> 
> >> Nazarene ... (phonetic spelling omitted)... n [ME Nazaren, fr. LL 
> >> Nazarenus, fr. Gk Nazarenos, fr. Nazareth] 1: a native or resident of 
> >> Nazareth 2 a: CHRISTIAN 1a b: a member of the Church of the Nazarene that 
> >> is a Protestant denomination deriving from the merging of three holiness 
> >> groups, stressing sanctification, and following Methodist polity
> >>  
> >> Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary copyright 1981 G. & C. Merriam Co.
> >> 
> >> Is this not like saying the city of London did not exist in Hadrian's 
> >> time because there was no "London" on Roman maps of the period, but 
> >> Londinium? 
> >>  
> >> Consulting my Roman Auto Club map of the period I see Les is right!
> >>  
> > Congragulations Lee.  Since you have proclaimed yourself the expert of the
> > city of Nazareth that supposedly existed then.
> 
> I haven't proclaimed myself an expert on ANYTHING, least of all
> Jewdeo-Christianity.

Sorry Les, Lee was the one proclaiming expertise in the field.
> 
> > Could you please tell me
> > about it.  Since that is my current research topic, and I haven't yet
> > completed it.  Theories I've heard that Nazareth was a town filled with
> > Essenes, but that seems unlikely because of the work I've done.  All I've
> > managed to gather was Jesus was keeping the Nazarite vow (or at least done
> > so for some period of time).  What got me confused is with Matthew saying
> > he came from Nazareth was that nobody has ever found out what he was cross
> > referencing too (at least to my knowledge).  It's so damn blatantly
> > obvious.  Without giving the game away it's in the whats called the minor
> > prophets.

I should probably define the so called minor prophets as no one as yet has
solved the prophecy quoted by Matthew.  Try the book of Amos.  It requires
only a little bit of lateral thinking.

> > 
> > Oh,  as stated before Jesus was from Galilee.  Therefore regionally he
> > couldn't have been a jew (jew was a regional term, implying you were from
> > the place called Judaea).
> > 

Colin.


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> > The Romans, who kept
> > accurate records on anything and everything worth looking at would've
> > surely wrote _something_ on Jesus, considering all of the "works" he
> > was supposed to have done.

I don't think may historians would back you 100% on your statement. 
Romans suffered biasism just like everybody else.

Tacitus wrote a wee snippet about Jesus.
> -- 
> 
> (News program fault-might not receive follow ups)
>   The Romans did record happenings relating to Jesus, including the 
> darkening of the heavens etc at the time of His death.
> 
Romans by in large weren't concerned with Judaea either.  So long as
Judaea continued to maintain the peace (as well as the taxes).  So why
would they record something that didn't interest them?

Colin.


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> : Colin, and still The Abomination of the Earth (and no Elena you can't take
> : it back).
> 
>    Colon, the Kook of the Net.
> 
> Mike "Ya gonna whine about name-calling now?" Beebe
> --
Why Mike so original?  Couldn't you come up with something better?  Your
imagination levels a bit low?  It's rather boring wouldn't you agree?

Colin, and still The Abomination of the Earth.


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> Colin,
>    Sweden and Austria may be "doing well", but they're doing well in a far
> smaller area than they did before.  And they're insignificant on the world
> stage.  As empires, they've collapsed.  No one said anything about
> standard of living - that's a horse of a different color.  

So I am not allowed to compare say Portugeuse and Swedish standard of
living? Because you say so.  How pray is it a horse of a different colour?
Surely the health of a nation is reflective in it's standard of living?

> And I'm
> curious, what do you mean by N.Z. dying?  If you mean in international
> significance, well, it's hard to say Austria is going strong and N.Z. is
> dying.  If you mean in terms of standard of living, I don't believe
> there's such a gap between N.Z. and Austria, or that N.Z.'s is declining.

New Zealand is declining.  It is almost third world status as it is.
Standard of Living is crap, people need food banks, inflation keeps well
ahead of wage rises so that money doesn't buy you a lot.  Public transport
is crap.  The sewers need to be replaced in all cities.  Most of the
electrical cabling needs replacing.  That sort of thing.

>    The Queen controls the police force in India or Jamaica?  She's
> commanding the tanks of the South African army?  I knew she was head of
> state in a lot of these countries, but I had no idea that the Queen was
> also Commander in Chief of the armed forces, as in the US with the
> President.  Or, are you insinuating she has full tactical command over the
> armed forces of the ex-Empire nations? :)  Please.  This isn't 1914 or
> 1939 -  If Britain were to start a war (as in 1982) you may have a few
> Kiwis and Canadians join, maybe not, but the bulk of the ex-Empire is
> beyond British control.  No Indians or Gurkhas would help out. The British
> Empire is a thing of the past.

No, she can literally still mobilise the armies of the commonwealth.

>    You really head out into outer space on your WWII history.  First of
> all, when you asked who the British were indebted to after the war, my
> immediate response was the U.S.  

But who too is the US?  If those history books are being fair they mention
the name Rockefeller.  

> That's what all the history books say,
> too, and all the money is traceable.  For a Jew to get a job in an
> American banking firm in the 30's and 40's was rare; for a mythical
> coterie of Jews to control the industry would have been inconceivable.  If
> J.P. Morgan et al. were really controlled by secret Jews, wouldn't they
> made more of an effort to hire their brethren?  Also, the "Churchill was
> Jewish" and Roosevelt/Rosenfeld stories were just constructs of Nazi
> propaganda - Even accepting that Churchill's Great-great-great-garndmother
> may have been Jewish, to say that therefore he decided to defend his
> country becuase of his loyalty to a fictitous long-dead ancestor is an
> unreasonable stretch of the imagination. 

You only need go to Churchill's mother.

> Also, Roosevelt's ancestors (who
> were Dutch and English, pedigreed), be they Jewish or not, couldn't have
> done a thing to stop Pearl Harbor.

Then you go against all the things now been said about Pearl Harbour?
That Roosevelt knew about the Japanese attack (I first heard this from the
mouth of liberals).

>    I'm curious how you arrive at 20% miscegenated for England.  Are 1/5 of
> children born in England of mixed marriages?  

Just a statistic I've heard from people living in Britain.  This
apparently comes from the Department of Statistics.  It's one of the many
things I have as yet not clarified, perhaps someone would like to it for
me?

> In the US, the number isn't
> close to that, and we're a far more diverse society than England. 
> Besides, most Caribbean blacks and Indians arrived in Great Britain long
> after WWII ended and the Empire was gone, so to attribute the decline of
> the Pax Britannica to British miscegenation ignores chronology.
>
Yes, miscegenation isn't the cause of collapse, it's the resultant.  Which
I blame on Liberals who have decided they don't the old laws.
  
>    By the way, you've hit your nadir when you start using the typical
> racist approach - when backed into a corner by the facts of history, you
> start crying "Jew! Jew! Jew!"

Never knew we did, could you perhaps give quotes?  Me, I was showing the
Jew involved in the cases. Jew, Jew and nothing but Jews was a response
was a succinct conclusion to your letter.


Colin.


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In article <3rhrpv$1k6@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:

> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
> 
> : Well aren't some polynesian liberals? I can compile a list of names if you
> : don't believe me.  Incest among polynesians is very high.  Almost every
> : polynesian family will practise it at some stage.  Then I wonder why when
> : the white women that marry into polynesian men complain when their dear
> : hubby rapes their little daughter.
> 
>      Source?
> 
> Mike "Or is this another 'banned book' [smirk!]" Beebe

No, I'll just have to go through old court records.  It would take a
little time but for you, no problem.

Colin.  Or is this just another useless attack [smirk!]?


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>> Perhaps in his country this may be so. In the United States there is at
>> least one mail order source for this filth. If he is really curious I will
>> happily post it on the condition that he withdraw his insinuation that the
>> previous note was untruthful.
>
>It did not appear in any book catalogue in America.
>I know because I tried to find it.

Well, you did not try very hard! I just typed "telnet dra.com", which
provides access to the library of congress catalogue, entered the
single word "protocols", paged down a few screenfuls on the hits and
found:

     LC Call Number: DS145 .P5 1978

             Author: Protocols of the wise men of Zion.

              Title: Protocols of the learned elders of Zion / translated from
                      the Russian of Nilus by Victor E. Marsden.

   Publication Info: New York : Gordon Press, 1978.
  Phys. Description: 71 p. : ports. ; 23 cm.

My, that took almost 30 seconds.

>Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
>Protocols.  So why would I want to get one?

Well, perhaps you have a valid complaint with your govt, but what has
that got to do with any of this?

We don't care if you get a copy or not, Mr McKinstry, not
particularly. We'd just rather you would stop lying and claiming that
no one else can.

If someone can produce an on-line copy of the "protocols" I will
gladly put it up in the Online Book Initiative for free distribution.

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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>> >You mean the special formula while having Zyclon B, but doesn't leave
>> >traces in concrete like the Germans used at Auchwitz?   
>> 
>> Which concrete, used at Auschwitz, shows no traces of Zyklon B, Mr.
>> McKinstry?
>> 
>All except the laundry walls (where they found some in the delousing area).

And you base this claim on....what?

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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
>Protocols.  So why would I want to get one?

	and in a following message...

From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that public libraries often have the
>Protocols. Which is where I read it.

I suppose those librarians are lucky not to be in jail!

Oddly enough I just connected to the Victoria University of
Wellington, NZ online library card and didn't have any problem quickly
locating:

     TITLE   Warrant for genocide; the myth of the Jewish world-conspiracy and
             the Protocols of the Elders of Zion [by] Norman Cohn.  

      NAME   1. Cohn, Norman (Norman Rufus Colin), 1915-

   IMPRINT   London, Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1967.
    EXTENT   303 p. 12 plates (incl. ports., facsims.)

     NOTES   Bibliography: p. 289-296.

   SUBJECT   1. Protocols of the wise men of Zion.
             2. Antisemitism -- Germany.


Now clearly this is not a work that is likely to be very positive in
its view of the protocols, but does it contain the text Mr McKinstry
claims to be a criminal offense in New Zealand? Well, perhaps we
should have this entire university arrested along with Mr McKinstry's
librarian!

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From jeff_brown@pol.com Thu Jun 15 05:55:08 PDT 1995
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In article ,
cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:

> > > While you like to say we have an open minded and scientific course. Would
> > > you please explain why natural anthropology is a banned discipline.  Got
> > > outlawed completely about ten years ago.
> > 
> > McKinstry adopts the Griswoldian tactic of assertion sans substantiation.
> > Where was this "discipline" banned? Who banned it? What are the relevant
> > citations to the law that bans it?  
> 
> It was banned because it explains the races.  Which a desiring to be
> multicultural governments couldn't afford to have.  Hence why it was
> banned.

You still fail to provide any substantiation for your charge. You have
merely repeated it, and embroidered it a bit. Not one word of your reply
constitutes proof.

I suppose you could have misunderstood the question. I doubt it; it is far
more likely that you are trying desperately to avoid admitting that no
such ban exists. You say the ban was enacted "about ten years ago": it
follows that some specific act, by some specific body, instituted the ban.

Let me rephrase the questions, so as to avoid all possibility of
misunderstanding, whether honest or deliberate:

1) Who, specifically, banned the study of 'natural anthropology'?
("Multicultural governments" is not a specific. "The government of
Freedonia", for example, would be. Do you understand what 'specific' means
in this context? An actual name of an actual person or group of persons,
up to and including a national government or international body governing
some aspect of scientific study, is specific. A vague, handwaving "they"
is not.)

2) When and where was the ban enacted? (Specifics, again, are necessary.)

3) Where can documentation of the ban, specifying just what type of study
is banned and what the penalties will follow upon violation of the ban, be
found? Specific documents, dates, and page numbers must be given.

There is a common tactic, used many times before here and elsewhere by
others like McKinstry. It consists of saying, in effect: "I know this is
true. You're just ignorant of the facts of the matter. Why should I do
your homework for you? Go look it up yourself." This is not a valid
tactic: it conveniently overlooks the clear obligation of he who raises a
point or makes a claim to establish the evidence for said claim. It is not
the task of those who challenge a claim to back it up with evidence; it is
the task of those who make the claim to do so.

> > > I've been tempted to reproduce
> > > some articles but with the Western Governments ranting and raving over the
> > > evil internet I didn't want to give them some real ammunition.
> > 
> > A more likely explanation is that the evidence for McKinstry's alleged ban
> > simply does not exist.
> > 
> Gee, my ego has been damaged. Why didn't you just say chicken?

If you insist. You are chicken: you fear that you cannot produce the
evidence for said ban, because no such ban exists.

> One day I might just reproduce some texts.  Just be
> prepared for a lot of reading.  Though only once the heat dies down on the
> propaganda against the Internet.  

Since you have not defined what "heat dies down" means, you have given
yourself the perfect excuse to never post the evidence you claim to
possess.

JGB

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From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jun 15 16:43:01 PDT 1995
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> >I've seen some strange ideas around here.  But let's say we even had 
> >a rational, clear-headed lib like Steve Garza come up and try to 
> >debate us.  The reason that they fail, time and again, it that we are
> >fighting on the side of Jesus Christ and everything he stands for.
> 
> 
>         What?!  Are you serious?  Would JC be pro-WP if he were alive
> today?  If you're answer is yes, how do you come to that conclusion?
> Maybe we're talking about someone else.  I always thought JC preached
> love, acceptance, and non-violence...
> 
Shit, so he never told his disciples if they didn't have a sword they were
to sell their cloak and buy one?  Well we all now the peace in a sword. I
can just imagine those disciple hippies running around with  2 feet long
swords with slogans of "Make love not war". Perhaps they had those slogans
at the end of their swords?  Making sure that no one was excessively
discomfited by them.

How about "I come not to bring peace but a sword"? Nice peace loving
message in that one.

Or even the two separate times he made scourges and whipped them
moneychangers (has anything changed?) out of the temple?  Oh a scourge is
a whip with metal bits (hooks). Primarily designed to rip bare flesh.  It
does it quite nicely.  Guess he was really loving there.  Accepted those
moneychangers didn't he?

Guess christians don't read their bibles too well eh?

Colin.


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Subject: Re: They were BORN that way! (was: Excrementum vincit cerebellum)
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I> > > Did you ever feel like you COULD choose to be homosexual?  did you ever 
> > > have that option?  Do you feel like you could, if you so desired, be 
> > > attracted to members of your own gender?
> 
> Well di you?  I notice you ignore this little point. . . 

No, heterosexual came to me like being able to grow a beard. I didn't make
a conscious decision.  Hit puberty and then wham I started looking at
girls.
> 
> > > As for the natural argument, many animal species have exhibited 
> > > demonstrated homosexual behavior.  (Rams, seagulls, bonobo apes)
> > 
> > As they say "Only in America".  Rams and seagulls anywhere else are 
> > heterosexual. Can't speak for bonobo apes though my research,
> > unfortunately limited to books indicate the opposite of the current
> > propaganda machine to make sodomites happy.  
> 
> Actually, the ram research was done in England, and the Seagull research 
> in France. . . next?

Only yo be propaganded in America.  I'd love to see this research.  Why
didn't farmers notice it before if it was normal?  Rams loving
drainpipes?  Give me a break.  New Zealand's is the sheep capital of the
world, how many farmers live in your family? How many of your friends (an
assumption) are farmers?  Guess they must ALL have normal rams.  These
researches must have imported the rams from America surely?

As for seagulls, I lived near the beach practically all my life.  Never
saw once a drainpipe loving seagull.  In France they must have specially
imported them from America as well.

> 
> As for the Bonobo apes, I can post the research here if anybody really 
> wants to see it.

Actually I would, I went through this once with a liberal female.  She was
most distressed when she realized it was a lie.
> 
> > > As for why it's a good and productive thing, well, overpopulation is a 
> > > bad thing, right?  Homosexuals are less likely to reproduce.  In fact, 
> > > back when we were all hunter/gatherers, a homosexual realtive (who would 
> > > be unlikely to have children of hir own) could be very useful in case a 
> > > child's natural parents died.  Sie also would contribute to the resources 
> > > of the tribe without producing children to deplete those resources. 
> > 
> > Lets see how many sodomites actually add to the community.  Farmers, well
> > they all seem to be heterosexual. The list goes on and on ... the last,
> > but not least, argument that they work against society to produce a
> > decadent, slothful, and soft people that any man and his dog could defeat.
> 
> Tony Kushner?  Barney Frank?  Jodie Foster?  Eleanor Roosovelt?
> 
> Nah, they were all a pox on society, beginning to end. . .
>
Couldn't agree with more.
 
> And the assertion that farmers are all het has GOT to be one of the more 
> bizarre things I've seen on the Net.  Cites, please?
> 

Please cite sodomite farmers, please?

> > > The 
> > > list goes on and on. . . . the last, but not least, argument being that 
> > > if two people are completely and totally in love, it is blatantly wrong 
> > > to keep them apart.
> > 
> > Back to emotional tactics are we? Define love.  
> 
> Ego-death.  The state of caring about another individual's well-being 
> more than your own.  Never having to say you're sorry.  

So children don't love their mother then?  I guess when children when they
say they are sorry are saying "I hate you", right?

> A happy little 
> sled that suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath.  (At night, the 
> ice weasels come.)
>
One of the most bizarre things I've seen on the Net.
 
> Whatever the definition, please tell me why it is just to separate two 
> people who believe that they are in love.
> 
> --Asharte

I can't Asharte until you define the word love.  All I know from your
definition is that is if a wife loves (whatever that means) her husband
(and vice versa) and one of them dies. Then it follows the other should be
put to death so they are not separated.

You should also define what you mean by "believe" also, too many
christians have stuffed that word up.  Wouldn't know what you mean by it
these days.

Colin.


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> >It did not appear in any book catalogue in America.
> >I know because I tried to find it.
> 
>    Interesting. I imagine I could find it in ten minutes, merely by
> checking out Raven's web page.
> 
>    Did you consider looking in the bibliography of this book, in the
> Victoria University library ?
> 
> ---
>      TITLE   Warrant for genocide; the myth of the Jewish world-conspiracy and
>              the Protocols of the Elders of Zion [by] Norman Cohn.
> 
>       NAME   1. Cohn, Norman (Norman Rufus Colin), 1915-
> 
>    IMPRINT   London, Eyre & Spottiswoode, 1967.
>     EXTENT   303 p. 12 plates (incl. ports., facsims.)
> 
>      NOTES   Bibliography: p. 289-296.
> 
>    SUBJECT   1. Protocols of the wise men of Zion.
>              2. Antisemitism -- Germany.
> ---
> 
>    Or is it too difficult for you to telnet opac or ask a librarian
> about inter-library loans ?
> 
> >Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
> >Protocols.  So why would I want to get one?
> 
>    Mind telling me what piece of legislation and clause it violates ?
> 
> - Tony Q.
> ---
It comes under the UN law, human rights -- I can get the appropriate numbers.
It comes under the section "Inciting racial hatred" which covers all most
everything.   

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jun 15 21:58:51 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: They were BORN that way! (was: Excrementum vincit cerebellum)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:28:11 +0100
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 > >> but not least, argument that they work against society to produce a
> > >> decadent, slothful, and soft people that any man and his dog could
defeat.
> > > 
> > > Tony Kushner?
> > 
> > Who's that?
> 
> A playwright.  He wrote _Angels in America_, which was just about the 
> most popular new play in years.  Won a whole bunch of awards.  I'm 
> surprised you never heard of it.

Was Angels that crappy comedy about Baseball?  And you thought it was
good? No accounting for some people's tastes.
  
> 
> > 
> > > Barney Frank?
> > 
> > You're defeating yourself here!
> > 
> Is he "decadent, slothful, and soft"?  No.  He's a highly successful 
> politician.

Aren't all politicians decadent, slothful and soft?  A bit self defeating
isn't it?
> 
> > > Jodie Foster?
> > 
> > Does she know that you guys are claiming her as one of your own?
> 
> Who is "you guys" here?  And yes, I think she does. . . .
> 
> > > Eleanor Roosovelt?
> > 
> > Same as for Barney Frank, you're not helping your argument!
> 
> Once again, a highly intelligent, successful woman. . .

And that somehow disproves that they aren't decadent, slothful and soft,
especially in today's liberalists society?

> > > And the assertion that farmers are all het has GOT to be one of the more 
> > > bizarre things I've seen on the Net.  Cites, please?
> > 
> > And have you any evidence that they AREN'T?
> > 
> You made the assertion.  Burden of proof is therefore upon _you_.
>                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sounds more like crap.  I made the statement, it's up to you to prove me
wrong.  That is if you can.

Hows the definition of love coming along Asharte?

How about "An environmental expression that comes from an ego problem"?

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Fri Jun 16 04:51:49 PDT 1995
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> > I went on an archeological expedition to Chile to dig up mummies in the
> > Atacama desert. We discovered a female mummy and three badies buried with
>                                                          babies
>  (I thought you guys might wonder what badies were! It only rains in Arica
> once in 50 years on average. It is officially the driest place on earth.
> When people died they would put them in pits and after they had collected
> enough they would bury a woman, man, and children together as spiritual
> families.)
> 
> > her. She was anywhere from hundreds to 7,000 years old.
> 
Sounds like they believed in Asharte's definition of love. You will
note Chile and Africa (please proof read before you write) are on
different continents.  And since "Gondwona" is supposed to be further back
in history, you cannot say (though you already have) that Chile is part of
Africa.  Yes I realize Africa is a continent all by itself.

Colin.


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> > > (bearcat's long rational message deleted.)
> > 
> > You another one that believes he writes rational letters?  Could you
> > please show us an example of your achievements?  I seemed to have missed
> > any rational message that you have posted. They all seem to be irrational
> > likes bearcat's verbatim.
> 
> I will elaborate. Bearcat's message did not fit together as a argument
> with one premise supporting some argument. But each point he made seemed
> reasonable as I read it as it was a summation of what I know from history.

Bearcat's message:  I can write emotional letters, here is proof.

> But you're right. A more detailed analysis is required.
> 
> 1) Anti-Semetism exists (Lunatics who cook up conspiracy theories.)
>    a. Groups of people over time have invented myths and hatred toward Jews.

Maybe they had just cause.

>    b. Pogroms have occured against the Jewish people for hundreds of years.

Probably because they deserved it.

>    c. The inquisition forced Jews to convert or be put to death.

Inquisitors like Torquemada had jewish origins. Jews killing Jews.  Next point.

>    d. The holocaust killed 6 million Jews.

An overestimation.  A mathematical impossibility (you can use a ordinary
calculator on the figures).

>    e. Confiscation of Jewish property.

Thats what happens when the government wants something you have.  Happens
to all groups of people (like the Palestinians).

>    f. Laws forcing Jews into gettos and certain occupations.

To keep them separate.  Since they believe they are Israel, and Israel is
a holy (separate) people.  They were enforcing there own laws upon them.
QED.

> 2) Nazi crimes become known, nobody likes Jews, and Nazis aren't punished.
>    Ok. So this point is weak. Nazis crimes generally are not well enough
> known. Not enough people have been exposed to the horrid images and
> testimonies of the crimes committed by the Thrid Reich. Some people are
> not concerned about Jews. Some people hate them while others adore them. 
> Some Nazis were incarcerated, a few put to death, and some escaped and
> changed identity or were never charged.

The Nuremburg trials beg to differ over supposed Nazi crime.

> 3) Little Nazi parties exist in Western countries.
>    Fact.

Liberals exist in Western countries.
   Fact.

> 4) Nazis dream up the idea that whites are Jews.
>    I have no information on a subset of Nazis supporting the idea that
> they are Jews. Other groups of "whites" have dreamed up ideas that they
> are Jews or decendents of the lost tribes. Mormons and some protestant
> groups are two examples I can think of. I used to subscribe to a religious
> magazine called the Plain Truth. They offered a free book entitled America
> and Britain in Prophosey. They seemed to support such ideas.

So what is a Jew, where does the name come from?  Not from the bible thats
for sure. Ester, Jew should be translated Judahite. So called new
testament Jew should be translated Judaean.  Point?

I fail to see one letter entailing that "Nazis" claim they were Jews. 
Israel yes, not Jews. Hebrew yes, not Jews.  Semitic yes, not Jews. 
Adamic yes, not Jews. Aryan yes, not Jews. Caucasian yes, not Jews. White
yes, not Jews. I've yet to see Jews yes, Jews aren't Jews.  While I have
mentioned that Jews are Idumaeans (Jewish Encyclopedia 1925 under Edom) I
have always called them Jews. I have mentioned that Ashkenazi are not
Israel yes.  Always said Ashkenazi are Jews.  Have mentioned that
Sephardic are not Israel.  Always said Sephardic are Jews.
 
> 5) Being Anti-semitic, rejecting the religious values of Judaism yet
> claiming to be Jewish is contradictory.

See above.  Please note, I can trace my ancestry back to Pheonicia.  You
could look up the dictionary on Semitic.  You'll note Pheonician under the
category.  How can I be anti-semitic?
> 
> To reiterate Bearcat: I hope this helps.
> Look, I don't claim to be an expert on Jewish History or genetics or
> anthropology or even politics. But I do have the background knowledge and
> logic to see fallacies as blantant as believing that whites are descended
> from Jews.

See above.
> 
> > Perhaps you should take a history lesson on Jews and rulers.  They always
> > seem to come to odds at some point.  Perhaps that is the real reason?
> 
> Just listen to you: They always seem to come to odds at SOME POINT. What
> about all the years people live in peace until some day the economy is
> bad, disease rears it's ugly head, or war comes along. Then people need
> someone to blame.
>
Funny how the Jews always seem to have their greedy fingers in the pie.
 
> > > I am making sense to anyone or am I wasting my time? It seems like a bunch
> > > of common sense to me but hey, most posters here probably have not taken a
> > > critical thinking or logic class so I should not assume anything.
> > 
> > Yes you would be right.  We can assume your one that hasn't attended a
> > critical thinking or logic class either. Either that or you never apply
> > it.                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >^^^^^ 
> > Colin.
> 
> Do you really want me to? I admitted I was using common sense. What
> fucking damn incentive do I have to spend hours researching to bring up
> credible sources for fools who use one liners or short paragraphs? 

I find it incredibly difficult to waffle.  It's always been the downer on
my English grades.  You may have perfected the art, I haven't.  I try to
be as brief as possible.

> I tell
> you what Mr. McKinstry. Lets both spend at least eight hours going to the
> library. You can get evidence to prove whites are Jews and I can go to
> collect evidence that they are not. 

Please read above.  Israel on the other hand sure.  I've already jumped
the gun.  Jeanne wrote a letter to try and mock me "Sparky Vintage
McKinstry".  You'll note various etymological evidences provided there. 
Please read first.  That was not even the tip of the iceberg.  The fairy
tales stuff is just sugar coating.  I don't claim it's proof of identity.

> Then you can develop your thesis and
> support it with premises and facts. Then present at least a five page
> report on your findings. Also a page of references would help.  Do you
> want to take the challenge? I'll spend my time if you'll spend yours.
> 
> "Lets see an example of your achievements."
> 
> I went on an archeological expedition to Chile to dig up mummies in the
> Atacama desert. We discovered a female mummy and three badies buried with
> her. She was anywhere from hundreds to 7,000 years old.
> 
> Right now I can log into four different super computers including a Cray
> T3D and  a Paragate parallel computer.
> 
> I just finished writing an economist data base in Visual Basic.
> 
> I took a logic class.
> 
> I took a critical thinking class.
> 
> I graduated from college.
> 
> While this isn't nearly enough. It is a start.

Not bad.  If I said "Does it prove anything?" would that hurt your ego too
much. I spend a few hours every day researching bits and pieces.

I have been to various Maori sites, and have found first hand Pheonician
artifacts.  Possibly date back 3000 years.  For example a Pheonician Doll
made out of Totora wood which came from Thames (New Zealand).

I took a logic class

I took a critical thinking class

I graduated from University.

Currently still at University.

Studied Astrophysics for seven years (a hobby).

Studied medieval history for five years (a hobby).

Studied mythology for ten years (a hobby).

Studied ancient history for two years (a hobby).

Studied prehistory for four years (a hobby).

Studied computer science for three years (a hobby).

Studied "British-Israel" for twelve years (a hobby).

While this isn't nearly enough.  It is a start.  And it's nowhere near complete.
 
If I got reasonable response from the audience I would write lengthy
articles. When I first appeared they were of this criteria.  I got no
response.  So I quickly learned what maturity level the audience is. I now
write letters according to that maturity level. If however you want
something more your going to have to prove it.  I can't see why I should
wast my time and years of research just to have it ignored by a group of
immature people.  The side that you've sided with typically has done no
work and like to mouth off on their feelings.  While I can understand
their revulsion to white power (due to extensive propaganda campaigns)
their lack of effort shines through like a beacon.

Yours,
Colin.


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> >Probably just copying their friendly black neighbours (if they can get
> >away with so can I attitude).
> 
>         Hmmm... When did you last see a black person do something as
> horrible/dumb as what was done by the Oklahoma bomb?
> 
What about Arabs hmmm?

Oh, has a court of law already prosecuted McVeigh and found him guilty?
Otherwise your statements are misdirected.  Unless of course you like to
show your liberal (lawlessness) origins.  Isn't one of America's
foundations of justice "Innocent until proven guilty"?

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Fri Jun 16 05:03:20 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Homo "love" (was: They were BORN that way!)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:39:28 +0100
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 > 1.  How is it just to separate two people who believe that they are in love?

So children should never leave home?  Husband's shouldn't work (as they
will be separated from their wives)?  Do you want me to continue?
> 
> 2.  What is the question which you seem to think I'm "dodging?"
> 
Probably the one I asked.  Define love.  Also define believe.

If you cannot come up with a suitable definition then I can see no wrong
in separating "two people who believe that they are in love".

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> You know, just for the hell of it, I walked into the Kingston Public Library
> too see if I could find anything on the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion.
> I found several original texts (not THE original texts) and books on them.
> Took me about five minutes.  Amazingly enough, they were neither locked
> up nor hidden.  They were, in fact, all in the common reference section.
> 
> So I tried the Queen's University collection at Stouffer Library.  Same
result.
> 
> This is a banned book?

Oh de fortune of living in America.

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Communique from  ZOG
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>                     While listening to my shortwave radio tonight I
> intercepted the Voice of ZOG report, at 8.P.M. E.S.T. on 19.48
> Megahertz.
> 
>     ZOG Intelligence officer revealed for the first time tonight that
> Science-Tech ZOG is about to unveil their new netweapon for use in the
> netwar between the supporters of World Jewish Control and dose
> wascally white supremacists.
> 
>     The new weapon is called 9MM for Windows.  Soon after .357Mag. &
> 45ACP for Windows will be released.  Apple and OS2 versions of course
> will take longer.
> 
> 
> The following is a transcription of the interview between the Voice of
> ZOG radio DJ and ZOG Intelligence agent #001897.
> 
>     DJ:  What was the need for this new technology?
> 
>     Agent 001897:  ZOG spies recently discovered that the white
> supremacists were far along in the development of their own netwaffen. 
> It will soon come to market and it's called:   Fertilizer for Windows.
> And after their recent success in OK this may prove to be a potent
> weapon.
> 
>     DJ:  Are our Jewish scientists working on a similar project?
> 
>     Agent 001897:  ZOG Tech. looked at it closely and came to the
> conclusion our enemies were already to far ahead in this area. 
> Besides, everybody knows the neo-nazis are unquestionably the
> undisputed experts in....er.....Fertilizer.
> And besides, we were in a race against time.  Several weeks back one of
> our top agents went insane, joined the Jews for Jesus, and before he
> could be stopped released three of our most closely guarded secrets. 
> ZOG must win quickly now before this information becomes generally
> known to all those Christian dupes.
> 
>     DJ:  Now that it's public, would you mind repeating the three
> secrets so our ZOG listeners will be prepared for the inevitable
> netkrieg by the neo-nazis.
> 
>     Agent 001897:  Of course, first, it is now known that Ronald
> Reagan's real name was Reuben Rosenstein.  And he's an executive board
> member of the Elders of Zion.
> 
>     DJ:  OY!!  You mean it was really the "Rosenstein Revolution?" 
> OY!!, wait till Pat Buchanan finds out!
> 
>     Agent 001897:  Worse, our turncoat agent revealed the true meaning
> of the company name G.M., which of course stands for General Moses. 
> And if that wasn't enough, ZOG's most secret weapon, MicroAssChips 
> (macs) became known.
> 
>     DJ:  OY!, what if the neo's find out how to disable the macs?
> 
>     Agent 001897:  It's a serious problem, however it is a very
> delicate operation, complicated by the fact that the neo's brains are
> located in the same general area.  So I don't believe many will be
> successfully disabled.
> 
>     DJ:  There is a rumour that in the future the microasschips might
> be better placed in the male sexual organ.  Is there any truth to that
> story?
> 
>     Agent 001897:  Yes, Medical ZOG have done some experiments in that
> area.  However, we're dealing with the Neo's, so we found we just
> didn't have enough to work with.
> 
> 
>                 The report ended with the usual sign-off announcement:
> 
>                     If you want to contact ZOG write to:
> 
> 
>                                 ZOG
>                              PLANET EARTH
> 
>        (no other address details required as we own the entire world)
> 
> 
>                 They closed with the nightly musical number, which was 
>                 new House-Club-Techno version of the 1944 classic by 
>                 Spike Jones,     "In Der Fuhrer's Face"
> 
> End of Communique
> 
> 
>                                             I'll keep the radio on,
> 
>                                                     Chuck
> 
>     Readers of Less Griswelch's posts die many deaths,
>     Readers of alt.tasteless.jokes, taste of death but once. 

Probably the most amusing thing a liberal has done.
Can you please do an equally impressive repeat performance or this a stand
alone performance?  Please keep it at least as amusing as this one.

Colin.


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> >And Jews have a history of crying their way into the hearts of a people
> >then turning
> >on the people who helped them. Read your Jew bible. It shows how hateful
> >you Jews
> >are. Everything that the Jews are doing today can be found in your bible.
> >You people want to know why everyone wants to kill you. Read your dirty
> >fucking kike bible.
> >Start with what you bastards did to Egypt
> 
>     Yes.  It's true!  I confess!  The Egyptians helped us Jews by allowing
> Joseph to save them from famine.  To further show their benevolence, the
> Egyptians generously enslaved us and started killing our firstborn males. 
> You can read all about their generosity in the Bible, just as you say! 
> How unreasonable of us Jews to ask to be let go, after all the nice things
> the Egyptians did for us! 

Thats a wierd statement coming from a self confessed Ashkenazi Jew.  What
did you have to do with Joseph?  Weren't you guys in Mount Seir at the
time?
 
> >then work your up to how you fucked up Rome.  You knife in the back all 
> >who befriend you.
> 
>     Yes!  Those friendly Romans benevolently invaded and took over Judea! 
> And we Jews were so ungrateful that we revolted.  We sure messed up those
> Romans - bleeding all over the Roman soldiers' swords and armor!  Do you 
> know how hard it is to get bloodstains out?
>
Obviously doing you a favour.  Though didn't the Idumaeans do the most
killing in the sacking of Jerusalem (those people originally from Mount
Seir)? 
> 
> >America helped you out of Germany and 50 years later you bastards have 
> >killed this nation.  America is fucked up because we tried to help you 
> >Jews.  If America would have rejected the Jews and helped Hitler
> >then America would still be a great nation. 
> 
>     Yes!  If only the US hadn't belligerently parked its ships _right_
> under where the Japanese dropped their bombs (no doubt due to an evil
> Zionist plot), 

I thought the Roosevelt conspiracy was incredibly well documented.  But I
forget, USA never shows it documentary's over it's own TV stations.  Just
to other countries.  Gimme a break.

> Hitler wouldn't have been _forced_ by this hostile action
> to declare war on America!  But now, we evil Bolshevist Jews have
> destroyed the United States, which is why the Soviet Union is now the only
> superpower in the world! 
> 
>     *sob*  Oh, how can you ever forgive us?

Because we won't. I've got my pile of rocks ready (not forgetting the
sheep legion).  

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Are Jews a Race?
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> >>Ol JC was a Jew? Nah... According 
> >>to my uncle's Talmud, he was a bastard,
> >>and his mother was a whore. Sanhedrin. ;>
> >
> >... some of the early anti-semites who
> >admired Jesus for some reason insisted that he *had* to be a
> >non-Jew. One such desperate piece of reasoning can be found
> >in Houston Stewart Chamberlain in _Foundations of the
> >Nineteenth Century_. I read somewhere that the Talmud said
> >Jesus' father was a Roman soldier. Can anyone verify this?
> 
> The talmud, as it existed prior to 500 A.D. has no mention whatsoever
> of Jesus. If something were added after 500 A.D. it hardly matters,
> does it?
> 
> >Regards Mary, and the traditional Jews (not the Reform Jews)
> >hold that it's the mother that counts, there are two
> >traditions regarding Mary's birthplace. The Western (Roman
> >Catholic) one places her in Bethlehem, which is inside
> >Jewish territory, but the Eastern Orthodox place her in
> >Galilee, called in the Old Testament "Galilee of the
> >nations" in the King James Version, and "Galilee of the
> >Gentiles" in other translations. I looked up the Hebrew word
> >in Strong's Concordance, and it's "goyim," which means in
> >Hebrew the same as "gentiles" does in its Latin root, namely
> >"kinds." This could be taken, therefore, as implying that
> >Mary was not Jewish. 
> 
> In ancient Hebrew, 'goyim' meant only "nation."

How could ancient hebrew be in the so called new testament. The word in 
hebrew is goy and it means stranger (well a little bit more, just giving
KJ version). Strong's concordance only gives Hebrew (so called old) and
Greek (new).  I haven't checked Aramiac, but Strong's doesn't cover
Aramiac.
> 
> If Jesus existed, then he was most certainly Jewish, given that he
> practiced Judaism. The "last supper" is, after all, a Passover seder.
> Also, the whole concept of a Messiah is 100% Jewish. They, those who
> go in for that sort of thing, are still awaiting the Messiah.
> 
> During the terrible days in Israel, when Roman occupation was 
> an onerous burden, and any Jewish rebels were likely to be
> crucified, self-proclaimed Messiahs were a dime a dozen.
> 
> >If contemporary Jews want to disown Jesus, I can understand, 
> 
> There is absolutely no interest, to my knowledge in disowning 
> Jesus. Some people just don't believe he really existed, given the
> fact that the gospels were transcribed 100 years after his death.
> 
Evidence. Reputably Revelations was the last book written and that was in 96 AD.

Colin.


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> > > I went on an archeological expedition to Chile to dig up mummies in the
> > > Atacama desert. We discovered a female mummy and three badies buried with
> >                                                          babies
> >  (I thought you guys might wonder what badies were! It only rains in Arica
> > once in 50 years on average. It is officially the driest place on earth.
> > When people died they would put them in pits and after they had collected
> > enough they would bury a woman, man, and children together as spiritual
> > families.)
> > 
> > > her. She was anywhere from hundreds to 7,000 years old.
> > 
> Sounds like they believed in Asharte's definition of love. You will
> note Chile and Africa (please proof read before you write) are on
> different continents.  And since "Gondwona" is supposed to be further back
> in history, you cannot say (though you already have) that Chile is part of
> Africa.  Yes I realize Africa is a continent all by itself.
> 
Steve if you are still reading this. My apologies. My server couldn't seem
to comprehend your address.  Yes Mike Stein already pointed out the Arica
is a place in Chile.  Apologies once again.

Are you really interested in what I have to say about "British-Israel",
my previous experience with people has led me to believe I am wasting my time.
Are you one of these people?  What bean of difference would it make to you
if I thrashed you to the point of embarrassment? Jeff Han, joan and Young
Ho are good examples of this.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: 1st Protocol of the Learned Elders of Zion
Date: 15 Jun 1995 07:49:30 GMT
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> >> Perhaps in his country this may be so. In the United States there is at
> >> least one mail order source for this filth. If he is really curious I will
> >> happily post it on the condition that he withdraw his insinuation that the
> >> previous note was untruthful.
> >
> >It did not appear in any book catalogue in America.
> >I know because I tried to find it.
> 
> Well, you did not try very hard! I just typed "telnet dra.com", which
> provides access to the library of congress catalogue, entered the
> single word "protocols", paged down a few screenfuls on the hits and
> found:
> 
>      LC Call Number: DS145 .P5 1978
> 
>              Author: Protocols of the wise men of Zion.
> 
>               Title: Protocols of the learned elders of Zion / translated from
>                       the Russian of Nilus by Victor E. Marsden.
> 
>    Publication Info: New York : Gordon Press, 1978.
>   Phys. Description: 71 p. : ports. ; 23 cm.
> 
> My, that took almost 30 seconds.

Thanks for the information.  It's amazing what happens when you goad
people into action.
> 
> >Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
> >Protocols.  So why would I want to get one?
> 
> Well, perhaps you have a valid complaint with your govt, but what has
> that got to do with any of this?

Some liberal was saying they could get me one.

> 
> We don't care if you get a copy or not, Mr McKinstry, not
> particularly. We'd just rather you would stop lying and claiming that
> no one else can.
> 
> If someone can produce an on-line copy of the "protocols" I will
> gladly put it up in the Online Book Initiative for free distribution.
> 
If you would.

Colin.


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> >How does Churchill's testimony bear witness for the so called falsity of
> >the Protocols?
> 
>     I never said it did.  Rather, a previous poster tried to insinuate
> that Churchill's belief in them bore witness to the _truth_ of the
> Protocols.  This is a fallacious argument known as appeal to authority.  I
> was pointing out this logical error using a satirical literary style. 
> Unfortunately this proved to be beyond the level of your reading skills. 
> 
> 
> >Whether influential people believe in them is of little consequence.
> 
>    Precisely the point I was trying to make.  Perhaps you can explain 
> this to the other poster who thought it was significant.
> 
> 
> >Would you care to argue over other books which you haven't read?  Why 
> >don't you read it?
> 
>     But precisely what makes you think I have not read the Protocols?  Are
> you confusing me with someone else, or yet again hallucinating words I
> never wrote?
> 
>     In any event, I was offering a comment on the speciousness of the
> logic used by someone else to argue for the authenticity of the Protocols,
> not a comment on the Protocols themselves.  I was also offering a comment
> on double standards for evidence. 
> 
> 
> >P.S When you start waffling could you please keep it to a minimum?
> 
>     When you learn to read and interpret text correctly and follow a
> logical train of thought, do please let us know.
> 
Didn't I reply to you on this a couple of days ago Mike?
Could you save me the trouble and post my reply?

Thanks,
Colin.


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> Les,
>    I'm impressed.  You followed up an entire post with only one borderline
> relevant comment.  Bravo for you - that's one more than usual.

You make it so easy.

>    I claim that Germans and English aren't pure Indo-European, due to
> mixing during the Roman Empire and Asiatic invasions which colored
> Germany's gene pool, and you reply...
>   
> "You're just being silly."  

May I interject.  What race were the the original Romans? Martian?
> 
> Me and 99% of historians in the world.  Like I said, Les, trace your
> ancestry back 2,000 years and make sure your ancestors weren't
> dilly-dallying with Roman slaves from Africa or weren't raped by Huns,
> Magyars, or Avars.  

My ancestors were doing quite fine 2000 years ago.  Neither dilly-dallying
with Roman Slaves from Africa nor raped by Huns.  You mustn't also forget
even if progeny did occur between Huns and Aryans it tended to meet a
rock.  You can read the various Roman authors about what the Barbarians
thought about purity.

> Then I'll buy that you're pure "white", by your own
> definition.  Even so, you have about 120 million Germans and Britons to
> chart - better get to work!  Even Colin claimed that 80% of Britons are
> still white.

That's today. And it doesn't back up your argument in the slightest.
> 
> You claim that Asians used men as cannon fodder, and that was why so many
> WWII casualties didn't occur on the W. Front;  I replied that Germany
> fought on the E. Front, and lost a few million men there.  Also, in the
> end, Germany was sending out untrained 14 year-olds and 60 year-olds to
> hold off the Allies and Russians, which is pretty much the definition of
> cannon fodder.  Your perplexing response...
>
So we can forget about the mass suicidal runs of the Japanese at the
start/middle/end of the war? 
> "Hoo boy!  Eastern Front=MANCHURIA?"
> 
> Uh, no, Les, most people know that the Eastern Front was where Germany
> fought the USSR.  I'm sorry if I assumed too much, but if you're going to
> pontificate about history a) get your facts straight and b) make sure
> you're arguing someone who is already here.  Anyway, my point still stands
> - millions of Germans, often poorly armed and not clothed for winter, died
> while fighting against the USSR.  Also, teenagers and senior citizens were
> used in battles towards the end as cannon fodder, but I know you've
> already fought and lost that discussion so we won't dredge it up again.

I would have thought Germany was getting desperate by this time.  Jewish
Stalin, Jewish Churchill and Jewish Roosevelt against him.  If you are
running out of manpower and you know what the opposition is going to do
with you if you lose what would you do?  Don't give me the crap about not
starting it in the first place.  Try to answer the question instead.  

> 
> Yes, the early 1940's were technically wartime.  But for most of 1940 and
> the first half of 1941, Germany wasn't on much of a war footing - it
> carried out few operation other than an air battle over Britain, some
> small battles in N. Africa, and the blitzkrieg subjugation of Yugoslavia
> and Greece.  The German economy was not close to being as tightly
> mobilized as the British economy.  In peace or in war, Germany is a food
> importer (Hitler admitted as much in the Hossbach memorandum) - beginning
> shortly after the capitulation, food flowed from the occupied nations into
> Germany, and rations even in France and the Netherlands were only one-half
> to two-thirds those in Germany, and even less for Jews in Occupied
> nations.  Hitler's long-term plans guaranteed that Germany would be the
> wealthiest, most industrialzed nation in Europe, at the expense of
> everyone else.  Beginning in 1940, Germany stripped occupied nations of
> much of their industry.  Are you telling me they would have returned it
> after the war was over, when during the war they could have just as easily
> kept it in the occupied country and produced there?  Only in a dream world
> would Britain be as important or well-off as it is today - not great, but
> still better than otherwise.
> 
> "Anti-nazis are right at any price" is not exactly my credo, but you have
> to admit, it's hard to find something worse than a regime that devastated
> Europe and cost 35-40 million live, and lives on to inspire underachievers
> to torch grocery stores and wear studded leather.  If there was an
> anti-Nazi who could have killed more people and disrupted Europe further
> (Stalin came close, but not really) 

What do you mean not really?  Stalin is probably the biggest butcherer of
all time.  Even if the six million jews by Hitler is right (I don't but
that is another story), it is tiddly winks compared to Stalin.


Colin.


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> You still fail to provide any substantiation for your charge. You have
> merely repeated it, and embroidered it a bit. Not one word of your reply
> constitutes proof.

Inciting Racial Hatred which comes under UN law.
> 
> I suppose you could have misunderstood the question. I doubt it; it is far
> more likely that you are trying desperately to avoid admitting that no
> such ban exists. You say the ban was enacted "about ten years ago": it
> follows that some specific act, by some specific body, instituted the ban.

Depends on the country, when it was banned. Hence "about ten years ago".
> 
> Let me rephrase the questions, so as to avoid all possibility of
> misunderstanding, whether honest or deliberate:
> 
> 1) Who, specifically, banned the study of 'natural anthropology'?
> ("Multicultural governments" is not a specific. "The government of
> Freedonia", for example, would be. Do you understand what 'specific' means
> in this context? An actual name of an actual person or group of persons,
> up to and including a national government or international body governing
> some aspect of scientific study, is specific. A vague, handwaving "they"
> is not.)

I'm pretty sure I said 'desiring to be'.  The governments in general
slowly phased out such disciplines.  Heavy tactics were not used.  Natural
anthropology was phased into the more acceptable form physical
anthropology.
> 
> 2) When and where was the ban enacted? (Specifics, again, are necessary.)
> 
Depends on the country.  Perhaps USA is exempt.

> 3) Where can documentation of the ban, specifying just what type of study
> is banned and what the penalties will follow upon violation of the ban, be
> found? Specific documents, dates, and page numbers must be given.
> 
It goes against UN charter, human rights: Inciting Racial Hatred. Such and
such a number.

> There is a common tactic, used many times before here and elsewhere by
> others like McKinstry. It consists of saying, in effect: "I know this is
> true. You're just ignorant of the facts of the matter. Why should I do
> your homework for you? Go look it up yourself." 

Sounds like a fair enough comment to me.  So long as there is enough
information given to find the clues.  Why should I slave my guts out over
the most common argument tactic in the book?

1. Here's the evidence book blah, pp blah, author blah and publisher blah.

2. He's garbage, I'll name call so he looks stupid, even though I've never
read the book.

1. Not good enough, here's another author blah ...

2. Your an idiot.  Even a child could do better.

1. Howabout this author ...

2. Your a moron.  That author couldn't find his way out of a wet paper bag.

...

Of course the other tactic I've seen:  
1. My claims, author ... (... being totally made up)

2. Oh, okay I believe you.

Both tactics I've seen in these newsgroups.  Both of which I'll not be
party too.

> This is not a valid
> tactic: it conveniently overlooks the clear obligation of he who raises a
> point or makes a claim to establish the evidence for said claim. It is not
> the task of those who challenge a claim to back it up with evidence; it is
> the task of those who make the claim to do so.
> 
Or so you say.  If I can goad you into doing some work.  Then you will
then know the folly of your previous stance (not necessarily you).

> > > > I've been tempted to reproduce
> > > > some articles but with the Western Governments ranting and raving
over the
> > > > evil internet I didn't want to give them some real ammunition.
> > > 
> > > A more likely explanation is that the evidence for McKinstry's alleged ban
> > > simply does not exist.
> > > 
> > Gee, my ego has been damaged. Why didn't you just say chicken?
> 
> If you insist. You are chicken: you fear that you cannot produce the
> evidence for said ban, because no such ban exists.
> 
> > One day I might just reproduce some texts.  Just be
> > prepared for a lot of reading.  Though only once the heat dies down on the
> > propaganda against the Internet.  
> 
> Since you have not defined what "heat dies down" means, you have given
> yourself the perfect excuse to never post the evidence you claim to
> possess.
> 
Trevor Rogers MP for Howick is having fun legislating the Internet.  Such
letters would no doubt be fuel for his attack.  Of course I've still yet
to convince a friend to hand the material over.  It is up too his
benevolence whether he will let me reproduce such texts. He is a little
afraid of reprisals since he has a young family (or that was his excuse). 


The other thing about "Inciting Racial Hatred" is it matters not whether
it be fact or fiction.

It would also seem that the USA has less problems with books (re:
Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion).  I'll try to compile a list of
books that come under the heading of natural anthropology.  Such books are
'banned' in both Australia and New Zealand.  To do so, is to Incite Racial
Hatred.

Though I doubt whether you'd read them (assuming you can get hold of them).  

Colin.


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> : > As for the natural argument, many animal species have exhibited 
> : > demonstrated homosexual behavior.  (Rams, seagulls, bonobo apes)
> 
> : Only in unnatural conditions (captivity, huge over-crowding and
> : over-population, huge difference in the male-female ratio)
> 
>       BZZZZZT!!
> 
>       Thank you for playing 'Nature for Netkooks', Les.
> 
>       Dolphins observed in the wild do exhibit homosexual and masturbatory
>       behavior.

I take it they are American dolphins?  How the hell do they masturbate?
Seems you don't have an imagination Mike.
Get this from the Mickey Mouse Encyclopedia to Wildlife?

Colin.


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> You know, folks, Les and Rick Knight came onto a newsgroup, alt.politics.
> socialism.trotsky, and started doing a little fun and fancy jew-baiting.
> When things got a bit hot for them, they disappeared. (BTW, a.p.s.t. is
> about the only place one can go to seriously debate left politics--
> whether you're a trot or not--and I'm not).
> 
> Now I've come to visit--shit, I've moved my tent right onto their lawn!--
> and Les won't even talk to me any longer!
> 
> As for Rick, our correspondence was short and sweet: I suggested on a.p.s.t.
> that we send him our thoughts on his "contributions" to the group, and he
> sent me a rather foul-mouthed letter claiming that I was trying to censor
> him, and threatening to get his legions of pals to flood my mailbox so
> I'd never read anything again.
> 
> Hell, I'd probably reply to each one of them.
> 
> And anyway, I'd censor no one. Not even Les. Not even Rick.
> 
> My reason for this post? These people not only can't sustain a good 
> argument, but they're pathetic and cowardly in the face of any serious
> criticism. I'm sure that it's clear to most readers that this is true 
> (except the true believers), but I find it really sad. They claim to 
> stand for something, then can't even elucidate what that is. When 
> challenged, they descend to sliding one way or another, calling us 
> censors and other less palatable names, and doing everything they can
> to avoid any kind of serious political dialogue.
> 
> Are they the future of the white race? I think we "race traitors" have
> little to fear from the likes of these. I'm sure they're smart folks.
> I'm sure they, too, are searching for meaning in their lives. I just
> wish they'd take the time to read a bit more widely, and to ponder 
> some of the things that they've been bubbling about.
> 
> That's it. 
> 
> Signed:
> 
> Your affectionate, queer-lovin', jew-lovin', black-lovin', leftist-liberal-
> Bilderberger-Rockefellerite (did I miss anyone?) friend,
> 
> Chris

> -- 
Oh goody, I challange.  Most of the one's I've argued with have gone (Jeff
Han, Young Ho, joan, Kevin Filan, Elena (well she hasn't posted anything
recently) just to mention a few, got even more of you who posted me
privately).  Hope your not going to do a runner on me.  Of course Mike
Beebe runs away and hides from me as well (only says one thing then hides
beneath his rock), Sub Genius doesn't reply back to me no more.  It's been
kind of boring in the last two days.

One thing you forgot: Colin-hatin'. I consider it my moral duty to make
you hate me.  Life long enemies is our destiny.  

Signed:

Your melovolent, sodomy-hatin', jew-hatin', black-hatin', Chris
Faatz-hatin', leftist-liberal-Bilderberger-Rockellerite (did I miss
anyone?) enemy.

Colin.  Looking forward to some challenges.  So far Steve Garza is the
most promising (hopefully he can afford that $10 a month rental).


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Another liberal tactic, revealed!
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> >Hey, gang!  Here's another liberal slur that is always hurled against us
> >by the champions of flogging dead horses:  dropping threads!
> 
> >Yes, the liberal turds accuse us of dropping threads when we're "losing"
> >arguments.  Never occurs to those brainiacs that White Supremacists don't
> >see a pressing need to beat an argument to death, thereby (hopefully)
> >impressing the "lurkers".  More than likely, the "lurkers" are put off by
> >the liberal tendancy to keep hammering away at a dead topic!
> 
> >Les

Hey Les, I like beating an argument to death but they (the liberals) won't
reply (sob).  My body odour isn't too high is it?
> 
>  
>   Isn't he great, kids?  Let's give him a hand!
>   Funny, you don't have to be here long to realize that Les, after a few
> days or maybe a couple of weeks, gets reduced to saying awfully clever
> retorts like "Yeah, well, it's none of your business!"  A day or two later,
> a new thread arrives;  inflamatory, hypocritical, and really fucking funny.
>                                                                       
> Stacia          An expert in stucco, a veteran of love, and an outlaw in Peru.

We aim to please.

Stacia could you please help Asharte with his definition of love? He is
having grave difficulties (I hope I haven't assigned him (her?) a task too
burdensome). Since you are the veteran of love.

Colin.


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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 07:51:28 +0100
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> >No I do not believe in democracy.  It comes from the greek diamontes.  Di
> >means split or schism.  Montes means government. I do not believe in Split
> >or schismed government.  The word demon has the same root.  Demonocracy.
> 
> >Colin.
> 
> 
> Is this the "flame troll" I have been hearing so much about?  This is the 
> greatest crap I have ever seen, and I have seen quite a lot of it! Is 
> this perhaps how a "true aryan" reasons? some sort of "aryan reasoning"?
> 
> Apart from the fact that it doesn't mean anything where the word is 
> derived from (we can't make moral judgements on the basis of etymology, 
> can we?) this is just so patently false that it is surprising that he 
> oculd even have the nerve to imagine it:
>
All the words of today are based on etymology.  I was given a little
historical account of the word democracy.  It's etymology is still
consistent with today's meaning.  I assumed it was possible for the
average person to make the connection.  You however are proof that I
cannot make such assumptions.  In the future I will bear in mind people
like you and write to the lowest common denominator.  Satisfied?

Oh, people make all sorts of grounds to base their morals on. I wouldn't
be surprised if there were some that based it on etymology.  For instance
etymology is consistent. 
 
> (the following examples will have "H" as the letter "eta" and "W" as the 
> letter "omega"
> 
> 1) DHMOS means in Homer (the oldest author of greek) district or country. 
> In later writers (e.g. Plato) it means the people of a country, or the 
> common people.
> 
> 2) KRATEW is a verb that means "to be strong" (derived from the noun 
> KRATOS "strenght"), and, in a derived sense, means "to rule".
> 
> 3) DHMOKRATIA means literally "rule of the common people"
> 
> 4) there is no word in greek like "diamontes" nor montes, now matter how
>    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> you try to spell it. I wouldn't bet my life on that such a word (MWS, 
> MOS, MONS, MONTES, MONTHS, MWNS, MWNTES or MWNTHS) is to be found at one 
> obscure place in a little known work by an unknown writer, but it is not 
> to be found (no trace of it) in the Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon by 
> Liddell and Scott.

Was there last time I looked in the greek texts.  Possibly bad
transliteration accepted.  Try cross referencing the word schism or demon
in the King James to the greek.  Montes which I suppose could be spelt
montus or similar is where we also get mountain from as well as mind.

> 
> and lastly,
> 
> 5) I hereby pledge a million dollars to the guy who can convince more 
> than 3 Oxford classical scholars that DAIMWN "divinity" and DHMOS are 
> cognate, derived from each other or related in any significant way (that 
> is, within the span of hellenistic philology).
> 
> 
Got me lost on this one.  When did the discussion go from democracy to
DAIMWN and DHMOS. Or are you delibrately trying to change the topic?  

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Les, Trotsky, and me
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> You know, folks, Les and Rick Knight came onto a newsgroup, alt.politics.
> socialism.trotsky, and started doing a little fun and fancy jew-baiting.
> When things got a bit hot for them, they disappeared. (BTW, a.p.s.t. is
> about the only place one can go to seriously debate left politics--
> whether you're a trot or not--and I'm not).
> 
> Now I've come to visit--shit, I've moved my tent right onto their lawn!--
> and Les won't even talk to me any longer!
> 
> As for Rick, our correspondence was short and sweet: I suggested on a.p.s.t.
> that we send him our thoughts on his "contributions" to the group, and he
> sent me a rather foul-mouthed letter claiming that I was trying to censor
> him, and threatening to get his legions of pals to flood my mailbox so
> I'd never read anything again.
> 
> Hell, I'd probably reply to each one of them.
> 
> And anyway, I'd censor no one. Not even Les. Not even Rick.
> 
> My reason for this post? These people not only can't sustain a good 
> argument, but they're pathetic and cowardly in the face of any serious
> criticism. I'm sure that it's clear to most readers that this is true 
> (except the true believers), but I find it really sad. They claim to 
> stand for something, then can't even elucidate what that is. When 
> challenged, they descend to sliding one way or another, calling us 
> censors and other less palatable names, and doing everything they can
> to avoid any kind of serious political dialogue.
> 
> Are they the future of the white race? I think we "race traitors" have
> little to fear from the likes of these. I'm sure they're smart folks.
> I'm sure they, too, are searching for meaning in their lives. I just
> wish they'd take the time to read a bit more widely, and to ponder 
> some of the things that they've been bubbling about.
> 
> That's it. 
> 
> Signed:
> 
> Your affectionate, queer-lovin', jew-lovin', black-lovin', leftist-liberal-
> Bilderberger-Rockefellerite (did I miss anyone?) friend,
> 
> Chris

> -- 
Oh goody, I challange.  Most of the one's I've argued with have gone (Jeff
Han, Young Ho, joan, Kevin Filan, Elena (well she hasn't posted anything
recently) just to mention a few, got even more of you who posted me
privately).  Hope your not going to do a runner on me.  Of course Mike
Beebe runs away and hides from me as well (only says one thing then hides
beneath his rock), Sub Genius doesn't reply back to me no more.  It's been
kind of boring in the last two days.

One thing you forgot: Colin-hatin'. I consider it my moral duty to make
you hate me.  Life long enemies is our destiny.  

Signed:

Your melovolent, sodomy-hatin', jew-hatin', black-hatin', Chris
Faatz-hatin', leftist-liberal-Bilderberger-Rockellerite (did I miss
anyone?) enemy.

Colin.  Looking forward to some challenges.  So far Steve Garza is the
most promising (hopefully he can afford that $10 a month rental).


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 17 16:53:04 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Another liberal tactic, revealed!
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> >Hey, gang!  Here's another liberal slur that is always hurled against us
> >by the champions of flogging dead horses:  dropping threads!
> 
> >Yes, the liberal turds accuse us of dropping threads when we're "losing"
> >arguments.  Never occurs to those brainiacs that White Supremacists don't
> >see a pressing need to beat an argument to death, thereby (hopefully)
> >impressing the "lurkers".  More than likely, the "lurkers" are put off by
> >the liberal tendancy to keep hammering away at a dead topic!
> 
> >Les

Hey Les, I like beating an argument to death but they (the liberals) won't
reply (sob).  My body odour isn't too high is it?
> 
>  
>   Isn't he great, kids?  Let's give him a hand!
>   Funny, you don't have to be here long to realize that Les, after a few
> days or maybe a couple of weeks, gets reduced to saying awfully clever
> retorts like "Yeah, well, it's none of your business!"  A day or two later,
> a new thread arrives;  inflamatory, hypocritical, and really fucking funny.
>                                                                       
> Stacia          An expert in stucco, a veteran of love, and an outlaw in Peru.

We aim to please.

Stacia could you please help Asharte with his definition of love? He is
having grave difficulties (I hope I haven't assigned him (her?) a task too
burdensome). Since you are the veteran of love.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> folks:
>         steve garza has gotten a two week extension on his account from his
> university, where i guess he just graduated from if he passed his
> exams--he hasn't said, but i'm hoping steve passed.
>         anyway, steve's account is going to be yanked in two weeks, and since
> he can't afford the ten bucks a month for an account, i'm proposing
> that we all chip in pay for steve an account until he can get on his
> feet and pay his own freight.
>         even if he is a lib, i believe us wp people should chip in because
> steve is about the only interesting lib--other than sub--that we've
> got on this ng.  there is variety in steve's posts--he writes about
> his personal experiences and doesn't just continually spout the
> liberal drivel.
>         we like steve, and he must like us and trust us considering he comes
> to us for advice about his personal problems.
>         let's get up a fund and pay for an account for steve.
> 
While I like Steve as well (he is far far better than the rest he sides with).
My Scottish ancestry won't give away money.  Especially considering he has
access to four supercomputers, he has graduated etc etc.

Colin.


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> >I have been to various Maori sites, and have found first hand Pheonician
> >artifacts.  Possibly date back 3000 years.  For example a Pheonician Doll
> >made out of Totora wood which came from Thames (New Zealand).
> 
>    Please give me the name of the museum or acadmic department that
> confirmed that this article was of Phoenician origin, and the name,
> email address and/or telephone number of someone I can contact to
> confirm this. Given that the Maori migration to NZ was, as far as I
> can recall, around 1000AD, this would no doubt be a very exciting
> and well-publicised find if true.
> 
>    Well ?
> 
> - Tony Q.

Tony it's in the maori "relics" Musuem in Thames.  Which they don't claim
to have built.  Go see for yourself.  I've also been told that there
exists similar pheonician artifacts in Taranaki.  It has been known for
some time.  There are even some books that mention it, including some
Maori legends (of their origins).  It is known among some scholars. 
Current thought likes to think the Maori's (and Polynesians) were great
sailers.  It would take an amazing amount of publicity to reverse the
propaganda taught at schools.  For example: The book "Odd man out"  exists
in bookshops.  It gives evidence of the Maori Officers betraying the
British and New Zealand posts in Singapore in WWII.  Did you know about
it?

Also for a New Zealander that doesn't know about the censorship laws
brought in a couple of years back (re: Protocols Of the Learned Elders of
Zion).  You are incredibly naive.  If you had known about the censorship
laws (which was well advertised, it wasn't a bill slipped under the
carpet) then you never would have bothered me about the book in question. 
Which makes me wonder whether you are a New Zealander.  

Colin.


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> You know, folks, Les and Rick Knight came onto a newsgroup, alt.politics.
> socialism.trotsky, and started doing a little fun and fancy jew-baiting.
> When things got a bit hot for them, they disappeared. (BTW, a.p.s.t. is
> about the only place one can go to seriously debate left politics--
> whether you're a trot or not--and I'm not).
> 
> Now I've come to visit--shit, I've moved my tent right onto their lawn!--
> and Les won't even talk to me any longer!
> 
> As for Rick, our correspondence was short and sweet: I suggested on a.p.s.t.
> that we send him our thoughts on his "contributions" to the group, and he
> sent me a rather foul-mouthed letter claiming that I was trying to censor
> him, and threatening to get his legions of pals to flood my mailbox so
> I'd never read anything again.
> 
> Hell, I'd probably reply to each one of them.
> 
> And anyway, I'd censor no one. Not even Les. Not even Rick.
> 
> My reason for this post? These people not only can't sustain a good 
> argument, but they're pathetic and cowardly in the face of any serious
> criticism. I'm sure that it's clear to most readers that this is true 
> (except the true believers), but I find it really sad. They claim to 
> stand for something, then can't even elucidate what that is. When 
> challenged, they descend to sliding one way or another, calling us 
> censors and other less palatable names, and doing everything they can
> to avoid any kind of serious political dialogue.
> 
> Are they the future of the white race? I think we "race traitors" have
> little to fear from the likes of these. I'm sure they're smart folks.
> I'm sure they, too, are searching for meaning in their lives. I just
> wish they'd take the time to read a bit more widely, and to ponder 
> some of the things that they've been bubbling about.
> 
> That's it. 
> 
> Signed:
> 
> Your affectionate, queer-lovin', jew-lovin', black-lovin', leftist-liberal-
> Bilderberger-Rockefellerite (did I miss anyone?) friend,
> 
> Chris

> -- 
Oh goody, I challange.  Most of the one's I've argued with have gone (Jeff
Han, Young Ho, joan, Kevin Filan, Elena (well she hasn't posted anything
recently) just to mention a few, got even more of you who posted me
privately).  Hope your not going to do a runner on me.  Of course Mike
Beebe runs away and hides from me as well (only says one thing then hides
beneath his rock), Sub Genius doesn't reply back to me no more.  It's been
kind of boring in the last two days.

One thing you forgot: Colin-hatin'. I consider it my moral duty to make
you hate me.  Life long enemies is our destiny.  

Signed:

Your melovolent, sodomy-hatin', jew-hatin', black-hatin', Chris
Faatz-hatin', leftist-liberal-Bilderberger-Rockellerite (did I miss
anyone?) enemy.

Colin.  Looking forward to some challenges.  So far Steve Garza is the
most promising (hopefully he can afford that $10 a month rental).


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> >Hey, gang!  Here's another liberal slur that is always hurled against us
> >by the champions of flogging dead horses:  dropping threads!
> 
> >Yes, the liberal turds accuse us of dropping threads when we're "losing"
> >arguments.  Never occurs to those brainiacs that White Supremacists don't
> >see a pressing need to beat an argument to death, thereby (hopefully)
> >impressing the "lurkers".  More than likely, the "lurkers" are put off by
> >the liberal tendancy to keep hammering away at a dead topic!
> 
> >Les

Hey Les, I like beating an argument to death but they (the liberals) won't
reply (sob).  My body odour isn't too high is it?
> 
>  
>   Isn't he great, kids?  Let's give him a hand!
>   Funny, you don't have to be here long to realize that Les, after a few
> days or maybe a couple of weeks, gets reduced to saying awfully clever
> retorts like "Yeah, well, it's none of your business!"  A day or two later,
> a new thread arrives;  inflamatory, hypocritical, and really fucking funny.
>                                                                       
> Stacia          An expert in stucco, a veteran of love, and an outlaw in Peru.

We aim to please.

Stacia could you please help Asharte with his definition of love? He is
having grave difficulties (I hope I haven't assigned him (her?) a task too
burdensome). Since you are the veteran of love.

Colin.


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> folks:
>         steve garza has gotten a two week extension on his account from his
> university, where i guess he just graduated from if he passed his
> exams--he hasn't said, but i'm hoping steve passed.
>         anyway, steve's account is going to be yanked in two weeks, and since
> he can't afford the ten bucks a month for an account, i'm proposing
> that we all chip in pay for steve an account until he can get on his
> feet and pay his own freight.
>         even if he is a lib, i believe us wp people should chip in because
> steve is about the only interesting lib--other than sub--that we've
> got on this ng.  there is variety in steve's posts--he writes about
> his personal experiences and doesn't just continually spout the
> liberal drivel.
>         we like steve, and he must like us and trust us considering he comes
> to us for advice about his personal problems.
>         let's get up a fund and pay for an account for steve.
> 
While I like Steve as well (he is far far better than the rest he sides with).
My Scottish ancestry won't give away money.  Especially considering he has
access to four supercomputers, he has graduated etc etc.

Colin.


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Subject: Re: reason and white supremacism
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> : > : > No, we just pay attention to the real world.
> : > 
> : > : Yes, while be both like Donald Duck, but Donald Duck does not constitute
> : > : the real world.   
> : > 
> : > You're kind of hard to talk with. I'm not sure I understand what you're
> : > trying to say here. Let me just reiterate: facts, history, the way
the world
> : > turns, the way historical forces move, the way individuals and cultures
> : > interact--that's the real world. Of course, I'll watch Donald Duck 
> : > anytime I have an opportunity. After all, I'm a red-blooded Amurrican
> : > boy.
> 
> : Donald Duck world (at Walt Disney) is the world you live in (your claim to
> : paying attention to the real world).  It's sarcasm, I'm prone to using it
> : on flippant remarks.
> 
> Actually, better Donald Duck world than the black and white all over 
> world of over-simplicity. But, thanks for the clarification.

Who ever said I made the world black and white (or words to that effect)?
> :  
> : > Okay. Give me a lesson in reasoning. Les won't, even when I whine.
> 
> : Unfortunately it is genetic.  Few people have it.
> 
> What a *handy* answer!!

Always.
>> : > See, you're teaching me stuff already. Elena must know you a lot better 
> : > than I do. I'd still not call you the abomination of the earth. I'd call
> : > the State, the military, and big business the abomination of the earth. 
> : > I'd call every human being a victim of the beast that we've allowed to 
> : > be created. Call it Mammon; call it Caesar; call it the Principalities and
> : > the Powers. Call it by its filthy name: Evil.
> 
> : I don't see a problem with this.  Perhaps you do have some reasoning
ability.
> : Elena is a pyschic.  She can make claims about all sorts of stuff.  She
> : guessed I was a hunk of slime, I was planning on taking over the world
> : with my sheep legion and of course my favourite "The abomination of the
> : Earth".  
> 
> I really like your sheep legion. Do you use an oil-based paint?
I use acrylic based paints.  It washes out easier, so they can mingle with
the crowd better.
> 
> What did you have no problem with in the above paragraph?

Because I agree with you (shock horror) that we let them build.
> : > 
> : > Forget the "liberal" nonsense. I'm not a liberal either (although I'm
> : > clearly more influenced by classical and other liberals than you). I'd
> : > argue--can you guess?--that you're misinformed if you use shadows as
> : > your reasons for the way the world works. It ain't Jews, dude. It's
classes.
> 
> : How do classes affect anything?  What you learn in academia is largely
> : crap with a few good bits and pieces.  Lecturers by in large have no
> : concept of the world in action.  Otherwise they wouldn't be lecturing.
> 
> Thank the good Lord, then, that I never went to college (or "collitch", as
> we say in my neck of the woods). How do classes affect anything? When one
> class controls everything from all the major means of production to the
> overall flavor of the media, it's their viewpoint that consistently gets
> put across. It's them who try and split people across racial, sexual, 
> national, and other lines in order to avoid the possibility that oppressed
> classes and groups will put an end to their power (yeah, I've maybe read
> a bit too much Marx--more importantly, I've seen it act itself out in 
> history. And, no, I'm not a Trot :-)).

Misinterpreted your meaning of classes, others use for academia.  You
cannot avoid classes even within a racial group.  Most people follow. Some
people lead. Most people follow the some people.  End result classes.  For
example I been a domineering know it all for all my life.  I controlled
the classroom, clubs etc that I went too.  I rarely follow anyone.
> 
> : > 
> : > : Scared?  Well I used to have a mild fear of heights, that is until I
> : > : overcame it. 
> : > 
> : > When the world's falling apart--as it transparently is--people get 
> : > (naturally) scared. One of our biggest failings is to go for the simplest
> : > answers. I know because I've done that myself. Seems to me that white
> : > nationalists go for head-in-the-clouds conspiracy theories to try and 
> : > make sense of a very complicated world situation. It provides a worldview
> : > and understanding. Same kind of base as Biblical literalism, etc. Answers,
> : > but then you can't go looking for questions any longer. At least, since
> : > you think you know how the world works, you don't have to be afraid any
> : > longer.
> : > 
> : No, I now look for the Jews involved in it.  How they managed to hide
> : their actions and fool almost everybody with it.  While I agree not every
> : Jew is in on it (every race (ethnic group) has it's lower classes), the
> : Jew is behind most of worlds problems.  This is further helped by the
> : liberals.  How can you say that we shouldn't fear?  There is a huge war
> : brewing.  
> 
> I say we *should* fear, but what we should fear are the lies and distortions
> that are making a mess of our resistance. Looking for the Jews involved in
> world problems is like snipe hunting. You can do plenty of name-calling;
> you can find folks named Cohen etc.; and it's easy to blame every non-Jew
> as either a) a conscious supporter of their agenda, or b) a dupe (that's
> what they used to call me when the USSR used to still be around). But it
> doesn't do anything more than divide the potential resistance that we can
> make as human beings to an inhuman system. And a *dehumanizing* system to
> boot. 
> 
I personally like to blame the liberals, they let the jews get away with
being jews.

> Nobody should be blamed for what they're believing at the present moment,
> the media and our culture is so filled with divisive and hateful trash. 
> The challenge is to move beyond that, and look with clear eyes at the 
> deeper causes of our problems (beyond the Jews), and to unite with others
> of all colors and ethnicities to take care of it.
>
And follow whom? Remember no classes.
 
> : > : Filled with blather? Guess I am, I reply to letters that contain nothing
> : > : but blather.  So logically all I can do is add to it.
> : > 
> : > No, you could refute me. Or teach me to reason in your sense of the word.
> : >
> : If I was trying to "convert" you over to my side I would use such
> : tactics.  Unfortunately I have read Pro-verbs concerning certain groups of
> : people. With that knowledge I know better than trying to teach them
> : anything.
> 
> Interesting. Pro-verbs or certain Proverbs? What are they?
Pronunciation. Most people pronunce prov-erbs, where the book is a pro verb.
> 
> : > 
> : > Nope, don't do that. I'll leave it to Dracula.
> 
> : Perhaps you realize that Dracula is about a Jew (Vladimar the Impaler)?
> : > 
> Vladimir, Colin, is a slavic name. He was called the Impaler because of his
> creative means for dissuading the Turks from invading his little corner of
> Transylvania.
> 
> What evidence is there for Dracula being a Jew?
> 
Another time (work to do).

Colin.


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> > >>Ol JC was a Jew? Nah... According 
> > >>to my uncle's Talmud, he was a bastard,
> > >>and his mother was a whore. Sanhedrin. ;>
> > >
> > >... some of the early anti-semites who
> > >admired Jesus for some reason insisted that he *had* to be a
> > >non-Jew. One such desperate piece of reasoning can be found
> > >in Houston Stewart Chamberlain in _Foundations of the
> > >Nineteenth Century_. I read somewhere that the Talmud said
> > >Jesus' father was a Roman soldier. Can anyone verify this?
> > 
> > The talmud, as it existed prior to 500 A.D. has no mention whatsoever
> > of Jesus. If something were added after 500 A.D. it hardly matters,
> > does it?
> > 
> > >Regards Mary, and the traditional Jews (not the Reform Jews)
> > >hold that it's the mother that counts, there are two
> > >traditions regarding Mary's birthplace. The Western (Roman
> > >Catholic) one places her in Bethlehem, which is inside
> > >Jewish territory, but the Eastern Orthodox place her in
> > >Galilee, called in the Old Testament "Galilee of the
> > >nations" in the King James Version, and "Galilee of the
> > >Gentiles" in other translations. I looked up the Hebrew word
> > >in Strong's Concordance, and it's "goyim," which means in
> > >Hebrew the same as "gentiles" does in its Latin root, namely
> > >"kinds." This could be taken, therefore, as implying that
> > >Mary was not Jewish. 
> > 
> > In ancient Hebrew, 'goyim' meant only "nation."
> 
> How could ancient hebrew be in the so called new testament. The word in 
> hebrew is goy and it means stranger (well a little bit more, just giving
> KJ version). Strong's concordance only gives Hebrew (so called old) and
> Greek (new).  I haven't checked Aramiac, but Strong's doesn't cover
> Aramiac.

Shit I can still write liberal styled letters (crap).  Here's what I
should have written.  Strong's as before.  Ancient greek does not have the
word goyim.  Ancient Hebrew has the word goyim which means nation. Root is
goy.

> > 
> > If Jesus existed, then he was most certainly Jewish, given that he
> > practiced Judaism. The "last supper" is, after all, a Passover seder.
> > Also, the whole concept of a Messiah is 100% Jewish. They, those who
> > go in for that sort of thing, are still awaiting the Messiah.
> > 
> > During the terrible days in Israel, when Roman occupation was 
> > an onerous burden, and any Jewish rebels were likely to be
> > crucified, self-proclaimed Messiahs were a dime a dozen.
> > 
> > >If contemporary Jews want to disown Jesus, I can understand, 
> > 
> > There is absolutely no interest, to my knowledge in disowning 
> > Jesus. Some people just don't believe he really existed, given the
> > fact that the gospels were transcribed 100 years after his death.
> > 
> Evidence. Reputably Revelations was the last book written and that was
in 96 AD.
> 
> Colin.


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> > Perhaps you should take a history lesson on Jews and rulers.  They always
> > seem to come to odds at some point.  Perhaps that is the real reason?
> 
> Perhaps you ought to take a history lesson in general.   Rulers seem,
> always, to come into some sort of conflict with the ruled.  (After all,
> rulers maintain power only by violence or the threat of violence, as
> modern sociologists would unhesitatingly put it.)  Does that make the
> ruled evil, or bad, or historically at fault?  Were the American
> colonialists at fault in their disagreement with their ruler, King
> George?
> 
So Jews and rulers are expelled on the same ratio?
> 
> > Yes you would be right.  We can assume your one that hasn't attended a
> > critical thinking or logic class either. Either that or you never apply
> > it.
> 
> Colin, it makes you look quite stupid to portray someone else as
> deficient in some sort of "book-learning," while you yourself
> make careless errors.  (Hint: _your_ and _you're_ are different
> words.)
>
I see, so it is completely incoherent.  Deary me.  Not one person could
understand what I said.  Someone should have shot Shakespeare, with all
those errors he made. Just be sure Josh that you never ever make the same
mistake. Whatever you said will go in the trash and just hassle you about
words. About writing cogent arguments and the like.  Only once could you
even begin to say I have ever done someone over for such an error.  That
was Sub Genius and I was hassling him about his entire content of what he
wrote.  Is what I wrote that incomprehensible that you couldn't make head
or tail of it? It would appear not, seeing as you've brought my attention
to it.
 
> So why don't you stop advising the rest of us to take more classes.
> Your time could be better spent trying  to write cogent arguments.
> 
Actually I don't think I have suggested that anyone take classes.  Yes I
could spend as much time as you do writing cogent arguments, but I value
my time. I could use a grammar checker and spell checker like you do
before posting my letters. I could even get someone to proofread.  It
seems I continue to underestimate people.  I assume if I make a mistake it
will as least be coherent to 90% of the audience.  It seems my assumptions
to the target audience are too high.  While I could lower it down so
people like you have a chance I'd rather not wast my time.

Colin  The Flame Troll. Elias you really know how to pump my ego.


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> Sure.  Leave out the facts.  So much easier that way.


Could you come up with a better taunt than this?  
Charles Freedberg came up with something much better.  Could you at least
equal his efforts?

> 
> Been to Arica lately?
>
I'm pretty sure I've publicly apologised Roger.  Try a few letters back.
 
> Roger

Colin.


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 >    Tre' appology. It was a weak flame. I'll come up with something better
>    on the next pass, you diseased submoron.
> 
> Mike "Another theme song, perhaps." Beebe
> --
A little better. Though this one has excessive emotionalism in it.  

Haven't you kept up with the latest.  According to Elias I'm the Flame Troll.
It is even better than Abomination of the Earth.  By the way where has
Elena got too?

Colin the Flame Troll.


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> >It comes under the UN law, human rights -- I can get the appropriate numbers.
> >It comes under the section "Inciting racial hatred" which covers all most
> >everything.   
> 
>    Oh, please *do* find the numbers. Also, please look at the Protocols to
> the UN Covenants regarding rights, where the implementation and enforcement
> is left up to the country involved, via their *own* legislation.

New Zealand signed to keep the UN human rights.  The one they promote
every so often on television.  Not that I recall having any say on whether
we wanted to sign for UN human rights.  We are no bound to keep those
laws.  Remember the case of the Tongan (an overstayer) man who had a son
born here? Please plead ignorance like so many liberals do.

>    I had cause to go through the NZ censorship legislation. Whereas
> "inciting to violence or terrorism" is illegal, I don't believe "inciting
> racial hatred" is illegal under NZ law. As I recall, there are Broadcasting
> Authority codes against it, but these have no enforcement, as Derrick
> Archer of Pirate Radio in Wellington is happy to tell his listeners.
> 
>    Go ahead and back up your comment with reference to NZ law, McKinstry.

Perhaps you can argue with my Uncle, Tony.  He's already come under the
law concerning Inciting Racial Hatred.  He went to court in March as I
recall.  What did he do? He told a maori joke.  That really comes under
"inciting to violence and terrorism" doesn't it?

I'd be happy to see you try and publish the protocols in New Zealand. I
wouldn't mind getting a copy.  I can get you the name of the person who
runs the UBS bookstore on the main Auckland campus.  It was through him
that I got access to the international titles, also he agreed with me that
the Protocols come under the censorship laws.  He in no wise believes in
conspiracy and believes the Protocols are just of bunch of silicious
lies.  Though he was amazed at the amount of conspiracy books that were
selling (the one in question was "Suppressed Inventions and other
Discoveries") which is how I got into a conversation with him.

Various bookstore owners (the ones who publish conspiracy material) have
already had the police go through their stores.  Fortunately for the one's
I know they had already done a purging of material that comes under the
censorship laws.

Colin.


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> > So when did Les and his ilk write they were tough Gord or do you make it
> > up as you go? You didn't like it when I reapplyed the term to you with
> > your eloquent defence "I didn't say I was tough".  So you would be advised
> > to read a little more carefully what Les and his ilk write, and attempt to
> > decipher what they stand for.  Once you have done that, you might wish to
> > re-read the thread and maybe then you will understand the point I was
> > making.  If this is too challenging for you, I'll forgive you.
> 
> Well, Colin, perhaps you ought to stick around here a little before you
> start accusing Mr. McFee of lying.  Les Griswold apparently considers
> himself one of the "noble Aryan warriors" he has posted about in the
> recent past.  (That sounds pretty 'tough' to me.)   

So warriors equates toughness.  I thought the former actually does
something, the latter acts on bullyboy tactics.

> He has also 
> written something to the effect of claiming that his willingness
> to speak without waiting for citations and references is proof that
> he is not such a wimp as some of the more disciplined people here.
> 
And this equates toughness? 

> In short, Griswold does certainly consider himself tough.  On the other
> hand, he probably considers himself intelligent, as well...
> 
Maybe Griswold does, but he has not said anything that comes close to
remotely suggesting that he is tough (which doesn't mean he is a wimp
either).
Also the context was that Gord thought (?) that Les and his ilk were tough
because they could pick on woman and children (or something along those
lines).

The context that you are writing " does certainly consider himself
tough" could be applied to almost any man.  I've yet to come across a man
that thinks so little of himself that he couldn't defend his woman
(politically incorrect these days).  Your context applies to almost any
man on the planet.

Do you to consider yourself intelligent? 

Colin.


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> >> >You mean the special formula while having Zyclon B, but doesn't leave
> >> >traces in concrete like the Germans used at Auchwitz?   
> >> 
> >> Which concrete, used at Auschwitz, shows no traces of Zyklon B, Mr.
> >> McKinstry?
> >> 
> >All except the laundry walls (where they found some in the delousing area).
> 
> And you base this claim on....what?
> 
Paul Rassinger's work (a french liberal). Quoted by De Poncins "Judaism
and the Vatican". 

Also note Paul Rassinger gives the figure of around 1.1 million jews.

Colin.


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> > >>Ol JC was a Jew? Nah... According 
> > >>to my uncle's Talmud, he was a bastard,
> > >>and his mother was a whore. Sanhedrin. ;>
> > >
> > >... some of the early anti-semites who
> > >admired Jesus for some reason insisted that he *had* to be a
> > >non-Jew. One such desperate piece of reasoning can be found
> > >in Houston Stewart Chamberlain in _Foundations of the
> > >Nineteenth Century_. I read somewhere that the Talmud said
> > >Jesus' father was a Roman soldier. Can anyone verify this?
> > 
> > The talmud, as it existed prior to 500 A.D. has no mention whatsoever
> > of Jesus. If something were added after 500 A.D. it hardly matters,
> > does it?
> > 
> > >Regards Mary, and the traditional Jews (not the Reform Jews)
> > >hold that it's the mother that counts, there are two
> > >traditions regarding Mary's birthplace. The Western (Roman
> > >Catholic) one places her in Bethlehem, which is inside
> > >Jewish territory, but the Eastern Orthodox place her in
> > >Galilee, called in the Old Testament "Galilee of the
> > >nations" in the King James Version, and "Galilee of the
> > >Gentiles" in other translations. I looked up the Hebrew word
> > >in Strong's Concordance, and it's "goyim," which means in
> > >Hebrew the same as "gentiles" does in its Latin root, namely
> > >"kinds." This could be taken, therefore, as implying that
> > >Mary was not Jewish. 
> > 
> > In ancient Hebrew, 'goyim' meant only "nation."
> 
> How could ancient hebrew be in the so called new testament. The word in 
> hebrew is goy and it means stranger (well a little bit more, just giving
> KJ version). Strong's concordance only gives Hebrew (so called old) and
> Greek (new).  I haven't checked Aramiac, but Strong's doesn't cover
> Aramiac.

Shit I can still write liberal styled letters (crap).  Here's what I
should have written.  Strong's as before.  Ancient greek does not have the
word goyim.  Ancient Hebrew has the word goyim which means nation. Root is
goy.

> > 
> > If Jesus existed, then he was most certainly Jewish, given that he
> > practiced Judaism. The "last supper" is, after all, a Passover seder.
> > Also, the whole concept of a Messiah is 100% Jewish. They, those who
> > go in for that sort of thing, are still awaiting the Messiah.
> > 
> > During the terrible days in Israel, when Roman occupation was 
> > an onerous burden, and any Jewish rebels were likely to be
> > crucified, self-proclaimed Messiahs were a dime a dozen.
> > 
> > >If contemporary Jews want to disown Jesus, I can understand, 
> > 
> > There is absolutely no interest, to my knowledge in disowning 
> > Jesus. Some people just don't believe he really existed, given the
> > fact that the gospels were transcribed 100 years after his death.
> > 
> Evidence. Reputably Revelations was the last book written and that was
in 96 AD.
> 
> Colin.


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> > So when did Les and his ilk write they were tough Gord or do you make it
> > up as you go? You didn't like it when I reapplyed the term to you with
> > your eloquent defence "I didn't say I was tough".  So you would be advised
> > to read a little more carefully what Les and his ilk write, and attempt to
> > decipher what they stand for.  Once you have done that, you might wish to
> > re-read the thread and maybe then you will understand the point I was
> > making.  If this is too challenging for you, I'll forgive you.
> 
> Well, Colin, perhaps you ought to stick around here a little before you
> start accusing Mr. McFee of lying.  Les Griswold apparently considers
> himself one of the "noble Aryan warriors" he has posted about in the
> recent past.  (That sounds pretty 'tough' to me.)   

So warriors equates toughness.  I thought the former actually does
something, the latter acts on bullyboy tactics.

> He has also 
> written something to the effect of claiming that his willingness
> to speak without waiting for citations and references is proof that
> he is not such a wimp as some of the more disciplined people here.
> 
And this equates toughness? 

> In short, Griswold does certainly consider himself tough.  On the other
> hand, he probably considers himself intelligent, as well...
> 
Maybe Griswold does, but he has not said anything that comes close to
remotely suggesting that he is tough (which doesn't mean he is a wimp
either).
Also the context was that Gord thought (?) that Les and his ilk were tough
because they could pick on woman and children (or something along those
lines).

The context that you are writing " does certainly consider himself
tough" could be applied to almost any man.  I've yet to come across a man
that thinks so little of himself that he couldn't defend his woman
(politically incorrect these days).  Your context applies to almost any
man on the planet.

Do you to consider yourself intelligent? 

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> >> >You mean the special formula while having Zyclon B, but doesn't leave
> >> >traces in concrete like the Germans used at Auchwitz?   
> >> 
> >> Which concrete, used at Auschwitz, shows no traces of Zyklon B, Mr.
> >> McKinstry?
> >> 
> >All except the laundry walls (where they found some in the delousing area).
> 
> And you base this claim on....what?
> 
Paul Rassinger's work (a french liberal). Quoted by De Poncins "Judaism
and the Vatican". 

Also note Paul Rassinger gives the figure of around 1.1 million jews.

Colin.


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> > > But the Anglo-Saxon and later English Empire still
> > > collapsed, so my point holds.
> > 
> > Too bad the Queen can still control the Police, Army, Navy, Air Force,
> > Teachers and so forth in the collapsed Empire. 
> > Colin.
> 
> I think this one is too stupid even to have fun with. And I thought 
> Griswold was dense...it's shooting fish in a barrel after a while, isn't 
> it? And fish that don't even realise they've been shot.
> 
I do believe that all the above are sworn in loyalty to the crown not the
government.  She alone has the right to mobilise the armed forces. Point?

> Colin, do you *really* not realise that none of what you have said makes 
> any sense? You can't spell, you can't understand a simple argument; in 
> many cases you can't even construct a coherent sentence. I work in a 
> multiracial environment. Every one of the people I work with is *much* 
> more intelligent than you. What makes you think you are a part of any 
> master race? Try and think about this and give us a serious answer.
> 
I take it that you are influenced by your workmates and you tell me I'm
not intelligent?  Where are your intelligent letters?  You've posted none
so far. Are you the tea lady where you work?  If you are then I can
understand the intelligence that goes into your letter.  As for spelling
have a read from Shakespeare's plays.  For example he wrote his name 53
different ways.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Yes folks, we have a winner in this year's "Michael A. Hoffman 2nd Look-
Alike Contest". . . (NB it's a contest to see who looks like Michael A.
Hoffman 2nd; it's not the second such contest, although next year's
will be).

And the winner is. . .

Colin McKinstry!

In article ,
McKinstry  wrote:

>The word in hebrew is goy and it means stranger (well a little bit more, 
>just giving KJ version). 

Bzzt.  This is completely incorrect (but thanks for playing).  The Hebrew
word translated by the KJV as "stranger" is GER.  The word GOY is 
translated as "nation".

But it's not too late to play our special bonus round for extra prizes!
Can *you* guess the King James translation of the following passages?
(Apologies for the quality of the transliteration; I have given the
appropriate references for those who just want to follow along at home.
The symbol "-" represents a voiced shewa and "--" a maqqef.  Also, capital
"H" is used to represent Heth, "kh" to represent the (spirant) khaf.)

(1) Genesis 12:2:  "w-'e`eskha l-GOY gadhol wa'abharekh-kha wa'aghadd-lah 
sh-mekha wehyeh b-rakhah."

(2) Deuteronomy 4:34:  "'o hanissah 'elohim labho' laqaHath lo GHOY 
miqqerebh GOY. . ."

(3) Isaiah 2:4:  ". . .lo--yissa' GHOY 'el--GOY Herebh w-lo--yilm-du `odh
milHamah."

(4) Genesis 23:4:  "GER--w'thoshabh 'anokhi `immakhem. . ."

(5) Deuteronomy 10:19:  "Wa'ahabhtem 'eth--hagGER ki--GERIM heyyithem
b-'eretz mitzrayim."

(6) Psalms 146:9:  "YHWH shomer eth--GERIM yathom w-almanah y-`odhedh
w-dherekh r-sha`im y-awweth."

McKinstry might keep in mind the last clause of #6.
Note that followups have been reset to talk.religion.misc, where this
idiocy belongs, and to alt.revisionism, where it probably doesn't.

I take it you didn't read Re:Are Jews a race #2 by me?

Where is my prize money?  What are my prizes anyway?  Do you really give
out prizes when WP writes liberal style?  If that is the case I'll have to
write a whole lot more (so no one else is in the running).  

I was beginning to think nobody was reading my articles.  Between you and
Jeanne you've really made my day .  What is the criteria for next
year?  Another WP writing liberal styled letters? Just want to know.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
>> If someone can produce an on-line copy of the "protocols" I will
>> gladly put it up in the Online Book Initiative for free distribution.
>> 
>If you would.

Done,

	ftp.std.com:/obi/Rants/Protocols/The_Protocols_of_The_Learned_Elders_of_Zion

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From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sun Jun 18 23:03:17 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Homo "love" (was: They were BORN that way!)
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> >> You have a pretty warped definition of "love", if you consider two
> >> panty-waists mucking around in each others' poop-chutes to be "love".
> > 
> > No, that would be "anal sex."  Two men who are monogamous, who live 
> > together, who care about each other -- that's love.  You're confusing 
> > love and sex again.
> 
> Nope, just telling it like it is.  Or do faggots REALLY content themselves
> with throwing longing glances across rooms, tender touching, and all the
> rest?
> 
> >> > Whatever the definition, please tell me why it is just to separate two 
> >> > people who believe that they are in love.
> >> 
> >> Nice dodge.
> > 
> > How is this a dodge?  I said, "It is unjust to separate two people who 
> > are in love."  You said, "define love."  I did, and then remarked that 
> > the definition was irrelevant to my original assertion.  You apparently 
> > think that I have avoided answering a question which you have not even 
> > asked.  So, riddle me this:
> >
> > 1.  How is it just to separate two people who believe that they are in love?
> 
> How is it just to degrade the word and concept of love to include homo
> masturbation contests, leather parades, anonymous sex in parks, and all
> the other glories of the queer culture?
> 
> > 2.  What is the question which you seem to think I'm "dodging?"
> 
> The question you are dodging (successfully, by throwing the word "love" in
> to confuse the issue), is, how can you equate faggotry with straight love?
> 
> Les

That is your question you want answered Les, mine still holds.  Hopefully
I've recruited Stacia into helping Asharte in defining the word love. 
Maybe then they'll be able to answer your question (assuming that their
definition holds).

Colin.


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> > Claims and nothing but claims.  One of these things that become fact by
> > much repetition (for example the Greenhouse Effect).

It's good to know some people still read my work.
> 
> Colin,
> 
> Please refresh our memory regarding how you singlehandedly disproved the
> validity of the Greenhouse Effect. 

I'll be brief (it's also a little harder to explain without a diagram so
please bear with me). 
1. The earth (terra) has been getting warmer since 1492 (the peak of the
last ice age). Remember Columbus?

2. According to various Roman authors (including Julius Ceasar) Scotland
used to have a temperate climate and was able to grow grapes. The earth
was once much warmer than present.

3. The 1950's astronomy textbooks came up with the theory of the
greenhouse effect to explain why Venus was so hot compared to Mercury
(which is closer to the Sun than Venus).  Venus had a thick atmosphere
which contained high amounts of CO2.  Therefore the theory came into
being.  When the Soviets sent a rocket to Venus. Their robots melted due
to the molten surface (Volcanic) of Venus. Theory died until recently.

4. More CO2 is in the atmosphere compared to any time in history (gathered
>from  reading ice packs).  No problems.  There are also more other gases in
the atmosphere than any time in history (like helium).

5. The CO2 atom O-C-O is a horizontal molecule (contains no polarity).  If
I throw a bunch I needles into the air. Is there more needles in the
horizontal or vertical plane? Answer the horizontal plane. Therefore no
biasism can be expected on the earth in regard to the sun and/or critical
angle.  Somehow we are expected to believe that light enters the earth
missing all those critical angles and rebounds off the surface only to
confront critical angles so less light leaves the earth and so reflects
back down to the surface. In effect heating the earth globally. Either the
scenerio is that equal amounts of light are reflected off and reflected
in. Or more light reflected out than in reflected in. The former would
equate no difference. The latter would indicate the earth getting globally
colder.

Conclusion: The earth is simply being cyclic in it's global temperature.
How long those cycles are is anybody's guess. Meaning: I haven't worked it
out.
    
> Maybe you could post an excerpt from
> Mein Kamph II, 
|||      | | | |   | | || ||| |  |  | 
   ||  || | | |     | |  |   | || ||
(I did warn you that it would be in Ogam script, it should also be curved
around a swashtika, but my artistic skills are a little poor -- hands
tired after painting moustaches on all those ewes).

> and tell everyone how Adolph Hitler will be compared to you
> in the future. 

My army will only consist of one type: ewes. I'll be known as the most
politically correct tyrant because I believe only having female recruits. 


I would like to know how you had time to verify that every
> farmer in New Zealand is heterosexual, and if this definition holds true
> for "cavorting" with farm animals (of the opposite gender, of course!).
>
You can always ring up every farmer and find out. Yes those farmers to
cavort with the ewes (though not among my friends/family well not the've
admitted it). From stories I've heard in the country they like taking
there favourites up onto cliffs.
 
> Tell us how you made the JOOOOS make all of those banned books suddenly
> available in libraries and bookstores. 

It's amazing what the sheep legion can do when their angry. Remember
Silence of the Lambs? The next is Ewe dead (they don't forget).

> Finally, please tell us if you are
> faithfully taking your lithium and the dosage required to keep you and
> your goose-stepping sheep from taking over the world.
> 
After what I seen lithium do to you Jeanne. I think I won't start. Unless
I course you can prove that any of your letters had nothing to do with
your high lithium dosage.  How much lithium do you take? I know that it's
over the recommended limit but by how much? And how much is the
recommended limit? You have never specified in any of your letters.

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Markie the armchair general
Date: 20 Jun 1995 21:46:08 GMT
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> >> >I've pretty much got my geneology down to pat.  It's due to the fact that
> >> >my name is a family name and not a clan name.  I can trace it back to all
> >> >sorts of important people (ie Kings).  Which in turn have quite well
> >> >documented lineages.  My geneology is quite simple to trace.
> >> 
> >> Colin, what the heck has your family name got to do with your family tree?
> >> Are you perhaps the result of some incestuous, pharaonic inbreeding? That
> >> could explain why your genealogy is simple to trace, only having one set
> >> of great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents :-)
> 
> >The family name means a lot. For one a very traceable family tree.  Having
> >royalty in the family meant there was no lower class element.  They
> >documented their families rather well.  To make sure there wasn't any
> >lower class element.
> 
> So, tell me, Colin,  how many ancestors have you got on your tree 10
> generations back?
> 
Oh, quite a few.  Unfortunately for you, we still mingled with the
aristocracy then (and until my great grandfather who married into the
german aristocracy).

Then of course of grandfather married into a prestidious family that
believed in pedigree (they didn't race mix) and of course my father
married into a similar family (wasn't so prestidious).

You must also remember Jews typically did not hang around Scotland.
Probably afraid of some Scot headbutting him. And for all the Roman
Catholic faults they forbade race mixing.  They forbade Catholics from
marrying Jews and vice versa.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Wed Jun 21 17:31:03 PDT 1995
Article: 5906 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation and the fall of civilization
Date: 20 Jun 1995 22:06:15 GMT
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> Colin, you are not making sense. Demos (spelled
> delta-eta-mu-omikron-sigma) means people. In composite words it loses the
> sigma and becomes demo-. Cracy is an an anglicization of kratia (spelled
> kappa-rho-alpha-tau-iota-alpha) and means rule. All of this I have
> explained before. You tried, for reasons only known to your twisted
> imagination, to derive demos from some strange origin, for example to the
> word demon (greek daimon, spelled delta-alpha-iota-mu-omega-nu). Now you
> are trying to obfuscate the points made against you.

I'm pretty sure I said they came from the same roots. Could you please
tell me why demos means people (you need to go a little further back)?
Yes, I do realize demos means people, I want to know why. Nice little
research project for you. Try understanding the delta words.  Back when
the used a more phonetic alphabet.
 
> That is an obvious
> sign of a psychopathic disorder. You are not concerned about facts, truth,
> science or wisdom, your only concerns are the great, infallible, godlike
> Colin (who, as he has told us, is descended, by way of strict traditional
> brother-sister inbreeding, from some kings of antiquity whom he has not
> named), and you are willing to _lie_ to keep up the _appearance_ of
> infallibility.

Milesian dynasty and partial Scottish.  It is your assumption on
brother-sister inbreeding not mine.
> 
> Colin, you are a pathetic little twerp. Are you really so devoid
> of anything to distinguish yourself with, that you have to pride yourself
> on your _colour_?? or your family origins? And lie to make up the rest?
> Seems so.
> 
It would seem Elias that you rely heavily on crowd pulling techiques to
win an argument "pathetic little twerp".  Is this because reason is beyond
you? That you cannot win an argument other than by calling people names?
Perhaps you need to call people names to cover your own inferiority
complex. Perhaps in reality you are the pathetic little twerp?  Someone
had to put that idea into your head. Was it because you used to be taunted
at school? You wanted to finally call someone else your lifelong hated
nickname for petty revenge? Perhaps you should see JeFf HaN's
pschiatrist.  If that is too much then perhaps Jeanne could give you a
recommendation for lithium (you can see the wonderful results it has done
for her).

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Wed Jun 21 22:56:49 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Markie the armchair general
Date: 20 Jun 1995 21:46:08 GMT
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> >> >I've pretty much got my geneology down to pat.  It's due to the fact that
> >> >my name is a family name and not a clan name.  I can trace it back to all
> >> >sorts of important people (ie Kings).  Which in turn have quite well
> >> >documented lineages.  My geneology is quite simple to trace.
> >> 
> >> Colin, what the heck has your family name got to do with your family tree?
> >> Are you perhaps the result of some incestuous, pharaonic inbreeding? That
> >> could explain why your genealogy is simple to trace, only having one set
> >> of great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents :-)
> 
> >The family name means a lot. For one a very traceable family tree.  Having
> >royalty in the family meant there was no lower class element.  They
> >documented their families rather well.  To make sure there wasn't any
> >lower class element.
> 
> So, tell me, Colin,  how many ancestors have you got on your tree 10
> generations back?
> 
Oh, quite a few.  Unfortunately for you, we still mingled with the
aristocracy then (and until my great grandfather who married into the
german aristocracy).

Then of course of grandfather married into a prestidious family that
believed in pedigree (they didn't race mix) and of course my father
married into a similar family (wasn't so prestidious).

You must also remember Jews typically did not hang around Scotland.
Probably afraid of some Scot headbutting him. And for all the Roman
Catholic faults they forbade race mixing.  They forbade Catholics from
marrying Jews and vice versa.

Colin.


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> Colin, you are not making sense. Demos (spelled
> delta-eta-mu-omikron-sigma) means people. In composite words it loses the
> sigma and becomes demo-. Cracy is an an anglicization of kratia (spelled
> kappa-rho-alpha-tau-iota-alpha) and means rule. All of this I have
> explained before. You tried, for reasons only known to your twisted
> imagination, to derive demos from some strange origin, for example to the
> word demon (greek daimon, spelled delta-alpha-iota-mu-omega-nu). Now you
> are trying to obfuscate the points made against you.

I'm pretty sure I said they came from the same roots. Could you please
tell me why demos means people (you need to go a little further back)?
Yes, I do realize demos means people, I want to know why. Nice little
research project for you. Try understanding the delta words.  Back when
the used a more phonetic alphabet.
 
> That is an obvious
> sign of a psychopathic disorder. You are not concerned about facts, truth,
> science or wisdom, your only concerns are the great, infallible, godlike
> Colin (who, as he has told us, is descended, by way of strict traditional
> brother-sister inbreeding, from some kings of antiquity whom he has not
> named), and you are willing to _lie_ to keep up the _appearance_ of
> infallibility.

Milesian dynasty and partial Scottish.  It is your assumption on
brother-sister inbreeding not mine.
> 
> Colin, you are a pathetic little twerp. Are you really so devoid
> of anything to distinguish yourself with, that you have to pride yourself
> on your _colour_?? or your family origins? And lie to make up the rest?
> Seems so.
> 
It would seem Elias that you rely heavily on crowd pulling techiques to
win an argument "pathetic little twerp".  Is this because reason is beyond
you? That you cannot win an argument other than by calling people names?
Perhaps you need to call people names to cover your own inferiority
complex. Perhaps in reality you are the pathetic little twerp?  Someone
had to put that idea into your head. Was it because you used to be taunted
at school? You wanted to finally call someone else your lifelong hated
nickname for petty revenge? Perhaps you should see JeFf HaN's
pschiatrist.  If that is too much then perhaps Jeanne could give you a
recommendation for lithium (you can see the wonderful results it has done
for her).

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Wed Jun 21 23:05:59 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Goose-stepping sheep?
Date: 20 Jun 1995 22:38:11 GMT
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> > > > > Finally, please tell us if you are
> > > > > faithfully taking your lithium and the dosage required to keep you and
> > > > > your goose-stepping sheep from taking over the world.
> > > > > 
> > > > After what I seen lithium do to you Jeanne. I think I won't start.
Unless
> > > > I course you can prove that any of your letters had nothing to do with
> > > > your high lithium dosage.  How much lithium do you take? I know
that it's
> > > > over the recommended limit but by how much? And how much is the
> > > > recommended limit? You have never specified in any of your letters.
> > > 
> > > The only times I've ever seen anyone with such grandiose ideas was when a
> > > dear friend of mine was totally manic. After several cycles, his heart
> > > gave out. I don't take lithium myself, nor do I have an obsession about
> > > suicide. 
> > 
> > Then perhaps you had better not mention such sayings.  Then I wouldn't
> > have the chance in re-applying them to you.  You mentioning Lithium
> > intakes now makes me able to apply your name to all such posts. 
> > Congratulations.
> 
> So, you wanna play "I know you are, but what am I?" Colin. Awfully mature
> of you, Colin. 

I reply at the same maturity level of the author.  If you want to make
some attack on me, then be prepared for retaliation.  I am quite prepared
to use your own attack against you.  It would seem silly of me to allow
attacks on my person to go undefended isn't it? 

> In the future, please end all of such projections with
> "neener, neener, neener!" so that I can give them the proper amount of
> attention.

What is "neener, neener, neener !"? Is it some american girl's chant at school?
> 
> > > I find you rather interesting, because you have such a skewed
> > > view of the world. 
> > 
> > Because I don't fit your ideologies?
> 
> No, because you have a lot of delusional theories and claims that you just
> can't back up.

I suppose you find liberals far more interesting then? 
> 
> > > In the midst of your run of the mill ignorant and
> > > hate-filled bigots, you stand out as a true flake. Congratulations.
> > > 
> > We can assume that you are an ignorant and hate-filled bigot as well.  It
> > is you that cannot tolerate us.  You hate our stance.  You are so filled
> > with HATE. Unlike you, I willingly say that I hate.  It's got to better
> > than Asharte's definition of love.  I don't hold my hatred in, whereas you
> > do.
> 
> In my original statement, I did not infer that you were filled with hate
> or ignorance. I said that you are a true flake, which sets you apart from
> the uneducated and spiteful group of racists. I don't see all of you as
> being exactly the same, and I know that you all have differents reasons
> for the way that you think and feel. 


Double Dutch?  In the midst of your run of the mill ignorant and
 hate-filled bigots, you stand out as a true flake. Congratulations.

Isn't that what you wrote (in case you have forgotten cut & paste does wonders)?
Or are you having trouble like Sub-Genius is currently having?

Surely you ARE inferring that I am an ignorant and hate-filled bigot.

> I just happen to suspect that your
> particular idealogy is based on or greatly enhanced by mental illness.
>
I take it that anybody that thinks differently to you suffers from mental
illness?  Here is the model that everybody must follow otherwise you are
suffering from mental illness.  Unfortunately Jeanne, I tried being
someone else for years (the typical liberal), it rubbed against my psche
too much. I cannot and will not be conformed to somebody else's
standards.  If I don't fit into any of your models then that is your
problem.  

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Wed Jun 21 23:06:03 PDT 1995
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Subject: Re: They were BORN that way! (was: Excrementum vincit cerebellum)
Date: 20 Jun 1995 22:50:54 GMT
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>    By what measurement is Person A intelligent?  Liberals abhor IQ tests.
>    Also breeding via inter racial mixing tends to often destroy any
>    beneficial characteristic, oftens adds unknown effects.
> 
> And your source for that assertion is...? 

Often, often, often.  I wonder whether I said often.  You can look at farm
animals as another example. Dog breeders, horse breeders and so forth.
> 
> On the one hand, the WP folks like to say that "you can't pick genes,"
> arguing that the makeup of the hyprid genotype is random; now, Colin is
> arguing that only the BAD traits (however defined) will survive.

I wonder whether I said often.
> 
>    My favourite example of cross breeding being of cause European and African 
>    Honey Bees. 
> 
> 1) That wasn't a result of random interbreeding, but of a deliberate
> breeding effort.
> 
Duh, I know that.

> 2) The goal was to produce a hardy bee that produced a lot of honey. The
> problem was that it worked TOO well, and the bees turned out to be
> aggressive, territorial, and migratory. Kind of like Les' description of
> the Aryan race.
> 
> While we're listing the results of crossbreeding, why forget the
> Thoroughbred, the Morgan Horse, the Quarter Horse, the German Shepherd
> (Alsatian on the other side of the pond), and, for that matter, every
> breed of canis familiaris (sp?). All were developed by crossbreeding, and
> all are weakened by inbreeding.
> 
>    Guess the old dowry system didn't work.  Letting the parents choose the
>    children's partners was a real loser wasn't it?  Why we never have any
>    problems with marriages these days do we?
> 
> Yeah, life was a lot easier when women knew their place, had their lives
> planned for them, were traded between families like baseball cards, and
> had the good sense not to bitch when their husbands beat the shit out of
> them.
>
Whereas nowadays we have teenage delinquents. Broken marriages and so
forth.   Some husbands beat up their wifes then, some husbands still beat
up their wifes now (and it seems to be on the increase, or that is what
the "statistics" say). Of course liberals always say the women were
unhappy.  Were they? Some were, many weren't. Guess we have 100% happy
women in marriages these days. We are so wonderful aren't we?
  
>    Funny, I wasn't taught to hate sodomites.  Hating sodomites seems pretty
>    natural to me.  Can't seem to recall my friends being taught to hate
>    sodomites either.  Most of them aren't even white supremists.  They all
>    seem to hate the sodomites. So many exceptions Steve?
>    
> Funny, I wasn't taught not to. Not hating anyone seems pretty natural to
> me. Can't recall most of my friends being born bigots and taught
> otherwise, either. Most of them aren't even liberals. 
> 
> Could it be, Colin, that there are modes of existence which are natural
> for the person living them, despite the fact that they have the sheer
> chutzpah to be utterly unlike you?
> 
Please reread Steve's point.

Colin.


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> > > Actually, Colin, I use neither a grammar checker nor a spell checker
> > > when I write messages for Usenet.  (In fact, I occassionally make
> > > mistakes in grammar and spelling :-)
> > 
> > Don't let me catch you then.  I'm sure to use your own argument against you.
> > > 
> > > Incidentally, I normally don't criticize posters for their formal errors;
> > > however, I am making an exception in your case.  There's something about
> > > your behavior (namely, shooting off at the mouth with incorrect 
> > > information about, e.g., Arica and the Protocols) that moves me to
> > > flame.  How exciting!
> > 
> > If I happen to make a mistake, I willingly apologize, do you?  Somehow
> > memory serves me correct on both accounts.  I did not realize that the
> > Protocols were unrestricted in the USA.
> > 
> > You are not very good at flaming.  You had better quit while your ahead. 
>                                                                ^^^^
> 
> Ok. Apologize. 
> 
> (You're being far too emotional :)
> 
> --
> Singer
And I suppose you never make any mistakes in writing?  The apology I meant
was for making an error on my part, like Arica. I couldn't give a stuff
about spelling/grammar errors so long as it is reasonably comprehensible. 
Neither do I complain when people like you stuff up. But if that is all
you can find fault with, then I suppose all I can expect from liberals is
nit picking.

Colin.


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> I know you never include attributions in your follow-ups (too much
> trouble?). Another poster asked the question you attribute to Sub-genius
> (I don't remember who).
> 
> Will you now apologize to Mr.Sub-genuis?
> 
Whatever do you mean Singer?  I don't even remember another poster blah
blah blah.  So what is there to apologize for.  If you mean Barbie Dolls,
I gathered from his remarks that is what American boys are brought up on. 
Which I am sure is not the case.  Which would imply that Sub-Genius plays
with Barbie Dolls doesn't it?

Colin.


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> Since I started reading UseNet, I have come across many statements 
> regarding the Jewish people. As an Icelander, I haven't met many Jews in 
> my lifetime (although foreigners often make the mistaken assumption that 
> I am one, on the basis of my first name) but I have, on the basis of 
> those articles, come to a startling conclusion about their national 
> character:
> 
> The Jews are a model of tolerance; they are a peaceful people whom the 
> world should emulate and learn from.
> 
> Reason:
> 
> The Jews own the whole Planet Earth, and yet they do not order the Nazis 
> and other assorted self-proclaimed enemies of the Jews to get off their 
> property.
> 
> It is only to be wished that such tolerance could be more widespread.
> 
I'm sure the Palestinians are really appreciative of that tolerance there
in the state of Israel. They were never kicked off their land were they?
They just decided they liked living in slums better than their own
houses.  Yes, the Jews are a model of tolerance.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: White Power Argument Tactics
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> > > >This word Sparky, forgive me but do you have something against
> > > >electricians?
> > >
> > >         American slang.  It's like basically calling you an idiot.
> 
> I think that Sparky earned his nickname by sticking his tongue in an
> electric socket when he was a small child. BZZZT, BZZZT . . . I'll bet
> he'd stick up on the ceiling if someone could hoist him up there.

So this is how the american slang term arose.  And I would have credited
the average american with more intelligence.  But then again Jeanne is
telling the story.
 
> 
> > It's not very good.  Was the person responsible for the saying tortured
> > like you were?  Did they torture him for playing with his Barbie Doll as
> > well?  You must keep long grudges.  
> > 
> > By the way, do you still play with Barbie Dolls or have you progressed
> > (perhaps one of the newfangled baby toys)?
> > 
> > Colin.
> 
> And how is that bevy of bleating sheep doing? Do you still paint toothbush
> moustaches on them before you go out on a date?
> 
> Jeanne K.

I wouldn't know Jeanne.  You'd have to ask Australians about dating sheep.
Or perhaps you could ask Asharte with all those drainpipe loving rams
running around.  She is probably well experienced with lonely ewes. 

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Are Jews White People?
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> >-Ashekenazi "Jews" are descendants of a people named the Khazars. They
> >were nomadic, and they had ARYAN! as well as Turkish elements in their
> >heritage. Eastern European Jews are not Semites at all.
> 
> For the record I'm not a Jew nor are any of my ancestors.... okay now
> that I saved myself from being flamed, why did the Nazi's point out
> that Jews had certain racial characteristics? Such as the hooked nose
> and stuff like that? Don't alot of Swedes and English people have
> hooked noses? 

Only if they have Jewish origins.

> What race has these characteristics? I've seen pictures
> of pure Isrealites and I didn't notice any of those features? What
> gives?
> 
The first race known for the hooked nose was Assyrian.  The first recorded
Assyrian with a hooked nose was Sargon I, Sargon the Gardener, Sargon of
Agade, Sargon the Magnificant, Sargini, Sargon of Erech, Sargon the
Waterbearer etc. The statues of him show a huge hooked nose.

The ruling class of the Canaanites were well known to have hooked noses. 
The ruling houses of the Canaanites being of course Assyrian.  The
Idumaeans also had that characteristic as well.

As I pointed out a while ago. The Israelites of old are not the same race
that pretends they are Israelites (ie Jews) today. The pictures
(sculptures, art forms) show an Aryan race. Also various books in the
bible give the description of an Aryan race (like the word Adom, King
David having red hair, the description of the girl in the Song of Solomon
and so forth).

Hopefully I don't have to keep pointing this out too much longer.  Seems I
need to repeat every so often .

Colin.


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> I believe that Les/Sylvie has reached the end of the argument on the cause
> and morality of homosexuality. Now *I* want to see some posts by their
> cat, who probably has more common sense that the two of them(?) combined.
> 
> Jeanne K.

Jeanne, can you blame Sylvie using a cat as analogy? I mean, look how
intelligible your letters are for a start.  An average cat most definitely
has more common sense than you do.  That we don't dispute.  We can be sure
that a cat is far more understandable than you are.  I'd imagine the only
reason both Les and Sylvie have not sent posts of their cats is because
they would not want too shame you. Deep down they probably have some pity
for people like you.  They realize that people like you should have some
pride in what they say, and if a cat can do it, then you no longer have
your pride.  They wouldn't want to embarrass you to the point where you'd
expose your fetish on yourself (ie suicide).  I am sure you can now
appreciate the sacrifice both Les and Sylvie have gone too in keeping
their cats away from making any postings to you.

Colin.

P.S The only reason I haven't sent any postings of my cat is because I
don't have a cat. Actually I don't have any pets, not even sheep.  

P.P.S Be careful with your continual overdosing of lithium Jeanne.

P.P.P.S See? We really do care about you Jeanne.


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> >Haven't you kept up with the latest.  According to Elias I'm the Flame Troll.
> >It is even better than Abomination of the Earth.  By the way where has
> >Elena got too?
> 
> Colin you ARE a Falme-Troll...cause if you aren't, you're crazy as a loon...

Why a compliment from lzaird, how unexpected.  Hope you don't expect any
leniency lzaird.

Colin.


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> Since I started reading UseNet, I have come across many statements 
> regarding the Jewish people. As an Icelander, I haven't met many Jews in 
> my lifetime (although foreigners often make the mistaken assumption that 
> I am one, on the basis of my first name) but I have, on the basis of 
> those articles, come to a startling conclusion about their national 
> character:
> 
> The Jews are a model of tolerance; they are a peaceful people whom the 
> world should emulate and learn from.
> 
> Reason:
> 
> The Jews own the whole Planet Earth, and yet they do not order the Nazis 
> and other assorted self-proclaimed enemies of the Jews to get off their 
> property.
> 
> It is only to be wished that such tolerance could be more widespread.
> 
I'm sure the Palestinians are really appreciative of that tolerance there
in the state of Israel. They were never kicked off their land were they?
They just decided they liked living in slums better than their own
houses.  Yes, the Jews are a model of tolerance.

Colin.


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> > > Colin, it makes you look quite stupid to portray someone else as
> > > deficient in some sort of "book-learning," while you yourself
> > > make careless errors.  (Hint: _your_ and _you're_ are different
> > > words.)
> > I see, so it is completely incoherent.  Deary me.  Not one person could
> > understand what I said.  Someone should have shot Shakespeare, with all
> > those errors he made.
> > Is what I wrote that incomprehensible that you couldn't make 
> > head or tail of it? 
> > Colin.
> 
> Yes, it is. Often. This is not quibbling. Leaving the question of 
> spelling aside as something of a cheap shot, grammar and thought are 
> *very* closely related. If you cannot put a clear sentence together that 
> says exactly what you mean, it is because your thinking itself is 
> confused. This means that:-
> 
> 1. People will not be able to understand you 
> 2. Even if they can figure out what you meant to say, they will be       
> disinclined to take you seriously 
> 
> If you are bothering to post stuff to Usenet at all, you should - as a 
> favour to yourself if no-one else - think about it carefully first. If 
> your opinions are important to you why not make an effort to get them 
> across clearly? Why choose to look like a buffoon? 
> 
Fair comment.  I'll ignore your snide remark.

I'll accept what you say about grammar.  Though I don't believe you when
you say grammar and thought are *very* closely related.  Grammar is only
the output that allows successful translation.  Each different language
has it's own grammar.  While grammar is extremely important for
communication, it does not cloud thinking.  Otherwise I can take from your
statements that only one language constitutes thought. So unless you can
communicate in this  you have no thought. 
Which is evidently flawed.  

I do concede however the importance of grammar in communication, which I
sadly lack. My faults my own and I blame nobody else for my poor grammar. 
I personally don't care about the need for precise spelling, mainly
because there are no hard and fast rules for spelling (in english). 
Whereas you are right in the need for grammar. This I will hopefully make
amends in the future. 

Regards,
Colin.


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> > I'm bad with
> > > deciphering names -if you're Scottish, than it's possible that you may
> > > have one of those darned Sephardic Jewesses lurking several centuries
> > > back,
> > 
> > Or maybe not.  That's another slippery liberal tactic:  create doubt in
> > the minds of one's opponents.  Well, MAYBE you have a point, and if so,
> > I'm sure McKinstry has enough self-respect to act on it. 
> ...Les Griswold
> 
> Act on it? How? Will he exterminate himself? Or just the bit of him 
> that's jewish? 
> 
Actually Chris, I get rid of the jewish part of me everyday. It gets
exterminated down the toilet. It's normally called shit, crap, pooh or
faeces. But if you want to call it jewish that's fine by me. 

Colin.


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I'll be expecting an apology on all those disputed my claims on the United
Nations Human Rights, and a special apology of Tony Q on New Zealand
censorship.
I'll accept money if an apology is too much for you.

First the United Nations:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Article 26
2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human
personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and
fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, TOLERANCE and
friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall
further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.

Article 30
Nothing in this Declaration may ... perform any ACT aimed at the
destruction of any rights and freedoms set forth herein.

United Nation's book "Everyone's United Nations"
pp 310-311
 Decade for Action
The first Decade for Action to Combat Racism and Racial Discrimination was
launched on 10 December 1973, the twenty fifth anniversy ... The programme
of the Decade ... envisaged the promotion of human rights and fundamental
freedoms for all without distinction on grounds of race, colour, national
or ethnic origin; the elimination of prejudice; and to end to racist
regimes.

For Tony,

FILMS, VIDEOS, AND PUBLICATIONS CLASSIFICATION BILL (to which I own a copy).
No 200-1
The principal features of the Bill are as follows:
2
Clause 3 (3)
(e) Represents (whether directly or by implication) that members of any
particular class of the public are inherently inferior to other members of
the public by reason of the colour, race, ethnic or national origins, sex,
physical or intellectual capacity, or religious beliefs of the members of
that class.
7 Classifications
After examining a publication, and having taken into account the matters
referred to in clause 3, the Classification Office must classify the
publication as --
(a) Unrestricted; or
(b) Objectionable; or
(c) Objectionable except in any one or more of the following circumstances:
...
"Book"
(a) Means any book, magazine, or peridocal, whether in manuscript of final
form; but
(b) Does not include a newspaper published at intervals of less than a month. 

Part I
3 Meaning of "objectionable"
(3) 
(e) Same as clause 3 (3)

Then there some Search Warrants, fines and Seizure.

Colin.


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I'll be expecting an apology on all those disputed my claims on the United
Nations Human Rights, and a special apology of Tony Q on New Zealand
censorship.
I'll accept money if an apology is too much for you.

First the United Nations:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Article 26
2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human
personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and
fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, TOLERANCE and
friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall
further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.

Article 30
Nothing in this Declaration may ... perform any ACT aimed at the
destruction of any rights and freedoms set forth herein.

United Nation's book "Everyone's United Nations"
pp 310-311
 Decade for Action
The first Decade for Action to Combat Racism and Racial Discrimination was
launched on 10 December 1973, the twenty fifth anniversy ... The programme
of the Decade ... envisaged the promotion of human rights and fundamental
freedoms for all without distinction on grounds of race, colour, national
or ethnic origin; the elimination of prejudice; and to end to racist
regimes.

For Tony,

FILMS, VIDEOS, AND PUBLICATIONS CLASSIFICATION BILL (to which I own a copy).
No 200-1
The principal features of the Bill are as follows:
2
Clause 3 (3)
(e) Represents (whether directly or by implication) that members of any
particular class of the public are inherently inferior to other members of
the public by reason of the colour, race, ethnic or national origins, sex,
physical or intellectual capacity, or religious beliefs of the members of
that class.
7 Classifications
After examining a publication, and having taken into account the matters
referred to in clause 3, the Classification Office must classify the
publication as --
(a) Unrestricted; or
(b) Objectionable; or
(c) Objectionable except in any one or more of the following circumstances:
...
"Book"
(a) Means any book, magazine, or peridocal, whether in manuscript of final
form; but
(b) Does not include a newspaper published at intervals of less than a month. 

Part I
3 Meaning of "objectionable"
(3) 
(e) Same as clause 3 (3)

Then there some Search Warrants, fines and Seizure.

Colin.


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> >My army will only consist of one type: ewes. I'll be known as the most
> >politically correct tyrant because I believe only having female recruits. 
> 
>         Do ewe have a reason for this?

Jeanne asked a silly question, I replied with a ..... answer.
> 
> >You can always ring up every farmer and find out. Yes those farmers to
> >cavort with the ewes (though not among my friends/family well not the've
> >admitted it). From stories I've heard in the country they like taking
> >there favourites up onto cliffs.
> 
>         Nice view from there?
> 
>         Derek "I just couldn't resist temptation" Bell
> 
Perhaps Asharte could answer that question.

Colin.


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> >>         Why in the world do you give a shit?  In a hundred years, you'll
> >> be gone, and hopefully you fascist ideas will be too.
> 
> >If that is how you show your concern then so be it. Live in harmony with
> >kidnappers, rapist, thieves and so forth.
> 
>         I guess all those listed are new phenomena.

Only the phenomena to live in harmony with them.
> 
> >>         You mean, I couldn't boink who I want?  Ooo, that's for me...
> >Yes, we will provide you with as many Barbie Dolls you desire Sub-Genius.
> >We know how much you love them.
> 
>         I'm more of a Malibu Stacy man myself...

You have progressed from Barbie? Why didn't you say so? Were you
discontent with Doll?  Should it be called a Barbie Action figure?
> 
> >> >Those with genetic defects would be encouraged NOT  to have children.
> >>         That leaves me out.  MS and all...
> >But you will still have your Barbie Dolls. You shouldn't be upset.
> >You'll be able to play with Barbie Dolls to your hearts content.  We'll
> >even make sure electricians don't wire you up to the mains for playing
> >with Barbie Dolls.
> 
> 
>         If you don't stop, I'm tellin'!
> 
You make it so easy.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Fri Jun 23 13:29:21 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Les, Trotsky, and me
Date: 21 Jun 1995 22:31:44 GMT
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> "A" challenge, or "I" challenge? Either way, I'm honored. :-)
> : > 
> : > Most of the one's I've argued with have gone (Jeff
> : > : Han, Young Ho, joan, Kevin Filan, Elena (well she hasn't posted anything
> : > : recently) just to mention a few, got even more of you who posted me
> : > : privately).  Hope your not going to do a runner on me.
> : > 
> : > I haven't yet. As a matter of fact, seems to me like you've gone and done
> : > a runner on me! Didn't you have "work to do" on one of the other threads
> : > we were discussing on?
> 
> : Vlad III the Impaler.  Ruler of Walachia (?).  All you need do is read
> : Arthur Koestler's "Thirteeth Tribe".  He goes into the migrations of the
> : Kharzar (Ashkenazi) Jews.
> 
> Nothing like fiction to pin down indisputable historical facts.

You betraying your origins Chris.  Here is the normal format for
WP/liberal arguments.

WP: Evidence.
LIB: Nothing like fiction to pin down indisputable historical facts.

Sound familiar?
> : > 
> :  
> : > BTW, as for hating me, we've had a pretty cordial correspondence so far
> : > for life-long enemies.
> : >
> : Ever heard of Henry II and Thomas Beckett?
> 
> Yeah. Here's to cordial correspondence between one person who sees everyone
> as an enemy and one person who tries to see no one as one--and often finds
> himself stretched.
>
Just so long as you see the forest for the trees.
 
> How're the sheep doing, bud?
> 
Asharte has become the resident expert on sheep.

Colin.


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> : >> > And I'm not even saying that any one group is behind the the whole of
> : >> > the disaster we're looking at; No racial group, socioeconomic group
> : >> > or political group is in charge. Everyone's adamantly engaged in one
> : >> > thing, and one thing only: Getting theirs - and if it means
fucking over
> : >> > the earth and a few hundrend million people to do it, they simply don't
> : >> > care.
> 
> : Everyone, that is, except the jews.  Oh, and the liberals, right?
> 
> She's right, Les, honey. Prove the jews are behind it. And, the liberals,
> if I'm not mistaken--aren't they just the toadies of the jews to begin
> with? So we might as well forget them.
> 
Ever heard of the golden rule 
"He who has the gold, makes the rules"?

Who has the gold? Which country is not in debt to the international bankers?
Who are the international bankers? How rich are the international bankers?

Who prints the money in the first place?  Who owns the shares in the
wholesale banks (Bank of England, Federal Reserve, Reserve Bank of NZ
etc)?

Since they own the gold they make the rules.  If the rules fail then it
must be the rulemakers fault, and of course their "toadies" that support
them (neither side likes traitors). 

Oh, if money doesn't mean much then why do people work?  

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Why do you liberals bother replying and/or writing articles?
This question has been perplexing me for a while.

Mike Beebe reason was to flame us.  Just that he is not very good at it.
You'd think if he were intelligent he'd of given up.

Jeanne doesn't despise us (or that is what she implied). So what is her
motivation? Her world views are warped enough as it is without letting
other people know about it. I applaud her on her successful marriage, but
is that a reason to write in?

Chris wants some petty revenge against Les.  Which sounds like only a
temporary measure.

Steve wants to enrich us with verbal diarrhoea.

To the kikes that write in. We hate you. Throughout history you've proven
to be masters at lying. So whatever you write we take with a grain of
salt. 

Lzaird has given no clues why he bothers. Neither has Stacia, Derek Bell,
Lane Singer or Asharte.

Richard Schultz is a newcomer and he still hasn't paid me.

Bearcat is a fly by night liberal that let us know he can achieve a state
of excess emotion.

Sub-Genius seems to be a masochist.  So I suppose he has some motivation
to hang around.

To anybody else that has written in against us, why? We really are not
interested in your narrow minded views.  We realize you are ignorant of
reality. You seem happy with that state of mind.  We really don't care
whether you stay ignorant or not. 

While I don't mind humourous posts (like Communique from Zog), your posts
on the whole are rather boring.  It wouldn't be so bad if you could be
humourous, but your not. 

If we wanted to be liberals then we would be liberals. We're not, and you
talk about us being thick. The liberal mind knows no lows.

Colin.  Just some thoughts.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: Are Jews White People?
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> > > Why don't you cite your sources Colin.  That way we won't tire you so!
> > >
>  
> > Gesenius on Adom. 
> 
> Is that Genesis on Adam?

No. 

> 
> > 
> > Just get a book of ancient history mesopatamia area and the appropriate
> > time period that has pictures of the races in it (especially Judah and
> > Israel).  
> 
> Jesus. Tell me it isn't true. Tell me you're not imagining that
> any pictures we have today of people who lived 3,000 years ago and more
> are photographs of some sort. Tell me that you know they are nothing
> but guesses of what people really looked like.
> 
As I stated before, a liberal mind knows no lows.

> > Judah and Israel are semitic people. 
> 
> You do realize that "semitic" is a language family, not a genetic one?
>
Perhaps you would like to explain this to some Historians that specialize
on the ancients. The Akkadians are an example of this. The Pheonicians are
another. They typically had a similar language (surprise surprise).
 
> > There are plenty of books
> > on ancient history that show the features of semitic people. 
> 
> > Libraries are incredibly handy for finding this type of information.
> 
> Yes, you can also get treatises on the lost continent of Mu. Probably
> has pictures of the inhabitants, as well.

Seems I have to explain this to liberals continually -- when you go to the
library, there is more than the Mickey Mouse section.

Colin.


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Subject: Re: Goose-stepping sheep?
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> > > So, you wanna play "I know you are, but what am I?" Colin. Awfully mature
> > > of you, Colin. 
> > 
> > I reply at the same maturity level of the author.  If you want to make
> > some attack on me, then be prepared for retaliation.  I am quite prepared
> > to use your own attack against you.  It would seem silly of me to allow
> > attacks on my person to go undefended isn't it? 
> > 
> > > In the future, please end all of such projections with
> > > "neener, neener, neener!" so that I can give them the proper amount of
> > > attention.
> > 
> > What is "neener, neener, neener !"? Is it some american girl's chant at
> school?
> 
> Yes, American kids use this in sing-songy way to insult each other on the
> playground. It's just another version of 'nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah,
> nyah!' and is much easier to write.
> 
So this is the maximum level of maturity that you possess?

> > > No, because you have a lot of delusional theories and claims that you just
> > > can't back up.
> > 
> > I suppose you find liberals far more interesting then? 
> 
> Some liberals are even wackier than you, but they don't post in this
> newsgroup. I only have enough time to deal with a few crackpots on the
> net, and you came into this newsgroup with your grandious claims to
> greatness just begging to be flamed. I consider it a public service. :-)
> 
Yes, perhaps you do need all summer to be able to flame me.  You are not
very good.  

> > Double Dutch?  In the midst of your run of the mill ignorant and
> >  hate-filled bigots, you stand out as a true flake. Congratulations.
> > 
> > Isn't that what you wrote (in case you have forgotten cut & paste does
> wonders)?
> 
> Yes, it is what I wrote. You didn't need to cut and paste, because my
> original statement was still part of the post. My original words were not
> very clear, and I tried to explain myself with the followup. If you want
> to remain fixated on the first statement, go ahead. 
> 
My previous writings in reply to liberals have been based on too many
assumptions (that liberals possess intelligence).  Perhaps you have
achieved more than any other liberal in that you can put two and two
together. Every other liberal needs to be spoon fed.

> You may also want to cut and paste it in everything you write from now on.
> Just give me credit in all future versions of Mein Kamph and Shakespearian
> plays.
>
No doubt I will. 
> > Or are you having trouble like Sub-Genius is currently having?
> > 
> > Surely you ARE inferring that I am an ignorant and hate-filled bigot.
> 
> Well, I do now, but that's just because it's a fluffy-headed liberal
> stereotype of people like you.
> 
Can't argue with that saying (fluffy-headed liberal). Least you admit it.

> > > I just happen to suspect that your
> > > particular idealogy is based on or greatly enhanced by mental illness.
> > >
> > I take it that anybody that thinks differently to you suffers from mental
> > illness?
> 
> Heck no! Most people think differently than I do, and I find the
> differences very healthy. That's why I find that trying to label people as
> liberal or conservative just doesn't work. If people have had a chance to
> mature and figure out how they feel about important issues, they will have
> certain areas where they don't follow their political party's platform.
>
You are assuming that I follow rigidly to the WP's here aren't you?
 
> 
> > I cannot and will not be conformed to somebody else's standards.  If I 
> > don't fit into any of your models then that is your problem.  
> 
> You don't get it, Colin. I don't have any models for you to fit into, but
> I would like for you to take your medication. Really.
> 
After your results with experimenting with lithium? You must be joking.

Colin.


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> > > P.S. Actually, little kids and animals love me, because they know I can be
> > > trusted.
> > 
> > Peter Piper and the rats?
> > 
> > Colin.
> 
> You see! And you ask us why we come here. "Peter Piper and the rats."
> 
> You mean, of course, Pied Piper.
> 
Glad you noticed. Makes a change.

> Quite frankly, there are no specimens anywhere else on the net
> (except for the 600 other newsgroups devoted to white supremacism)
> where one may observe such an extensive array of pathological
> loons, who are so dumb that they're hilarious without even trying.
> 
Is that why you came here? So we could laugh at you? So you are a maschist
are you? Did Sub-Genius convince you to write to these newsgroups? Do both
of you belong to a masochistic club?

> You're the best, I think, McK. I imagine your cohorts are even
> now circulating a petition to have your embarrassing ass removed
> from their ranks. Wouldn't help them, though, in the PR department.
> They're already a lost cause, regardless of how many little losers
> like yourself they manage to con into contributing to their
> personally administered welfare state, of which they're the
> only recipients.
> 
Proving once again that you are king of emotional rants. I find it
surprising that you take exception to me reminding you of this point.  You
are obviously proud of your ability. I hope you never try and claim that
you are rational.

Colin.


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> >> Colin, it is nothing more than common courtesy to take the time to
> >> write cogent arguments when you are expecting other people to take you
> >> seriously (and, even, to be convinced by you.)
> > 
> >If I were seriously trying to convince you of my side of the argument I
> >would write differently.  However I plan to enjoy myself.
> 
>     Well, I am genuinely interested in reading and participating in
>     discussion with people who want to engage in real dialogue and
>     discourse (even - especially - if they disagree with me and can
>     potentially show me a new point of view).  However, if you are here
>     simply to amuse and enjoy yourself, then I see no reason not to add you
>     to my killfile - you are just wasting my time.
> 
>     This is not an idle or flippant point of view on my part.  I have
>     gained real insight from posts by Jason Smith, Milt Kleim, and Michael
>     Hoffman during the time I've read alt.revisionism.  But all of them,
>     at times, have been willing to engage in real discussion.
> 
Most people aren't here to learn.  They just want somewhere were they can
mouth off.  If you can understand this, then you can understand why I
don't bother to normally engage in dialogue.  I have at times, but
generally I find most people are irrational when confronted by something
that challenges their ideals.  And because it challenges their ideals they
ignore it.  They become unwilling to continue the debate.  Why should I
wast my time on people like that?

If however Daniel you are different to the above, I don't mind exchanging
information.  99.99999% of people fall in the above category. I have had
to change my views many times.  I have found no one else prepared to do
the same.  They have a belief in which they are unprepared to change. I
personally prefer interesting dialogue. However the liberals on this group
don't.  They like to rant rant rant with wanton abandon.  I use these
newsgroups as a stress reliever.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> Colin,
>    I'm just the least bit hurt that you neglected to mention me by name.

Sorry.  Names to me a superflous.  

>    I respond primarily because we still live in an open society where
> discourse is encouraged and in fact necessary for democracy.  If I am
> exposed to your "theories", and I see the flaws lying beneath the surface,
> it's my duty to point them out so that others won't repeat your mistakes. 
> If you're going to propose to remake society in your image, and you're
> going to f*ck around with my life as well as the lives of millions of
> other humans, of all colors, damn straight I'm going to point out why
> you're wrong.  As Captain Picard once said, "our first duty is to the
> truth."  We're not in Starfleet, but it's a good rule to live by.

A more notable reason than some others.

>    On a lesser note, I aspire to being a student of history, and it pains
> me to see people who have no idea what they're talking about flailing
> about helplessly in this forum.  Maybe that's condescending, but hey, I
> don't venture into science newsgroups and try and propose theories about
> the stars or the animals - hopefully it's not too much to expect others to
> observe the same guidelines.
>    
These groups are dedicated to white nationalism and white power.  While
both history and sciences are mentioned, its primary audience is to the
two aforementioned topics.  Perhaps you can rational the same reason on
why you don't venture into science newsgroups to here.

Colin.


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> >Why do you liberals bother replying and/or writing articles?
> >This question has been perplexing me for a while.
> 
> <>
> 
> >Chris wants some petty revenge against Les.  Which sounds like only a
> >temporary measure.
> 
> Hope not, he's pretty good...

He is?  News to me. Admittly he is better than you.
> 
> <>
> 
> >Lzaird has given no clues why he bothers. Neither has Stacia, Derek Bell,
> >Lane Singer or Asharte.
> 
> Hey ho!  You got it right!  lzaird!  Good for you...
> 
> Why do I post?  Ask Les, he knows.  Nah, he'll never answer, so I'll 
> tell you...Simply to make you Nazi Supertwinks look like utter 
> fools...to blow quarter-sized holes in all your "logical 
> arguments"...for the amusment of myself and others, I make you a 
> spectacle...venting hostility I feel towards Herr Wolfgang and the Caped 
> Crusader, Zundel (one sonofabitch lives down the street the other one's 
> not too far away either...and I don't like having flyers put on my 
> windsheild.)... There are probably more reasons.  I don't expect to 
> change any of you guys, but I do expect to make you look REEEEAL STUPID.
> 
Like Mike Beebe, you are not very good. Perhaps you could share the summer
vacation with Jeanne.  Maybe then you could be better (probably not).

> Anyways, if you Nazis would just tell the truth, I'd have nothing to post.
>
You have nothing to post anyway.
 
> >While I don't mind humourous posts (like Communique from Zog), your posts
> >on the whole are rather boring.  It wouldn't be so bad if you could be
> >humourous, but your not. 
> 
> Oh yeah!  I forgot, I'm currently flooding you NG with liberal 
> sentiment....if you haven't noticed, buddy, we outnumber you and we OWN 
> this fucking place, to the point where you have to take up more than one 
> persona (Les) and have to Troll yourselves (Les).  
>
Is this a reason?
 
> >If we wanted to be liberals then we would be liberals. We're not, and you
> >talk about us being thick. The liberal mind knows no lows.
> 
> Hahahahah!  If only you would put us in a kill-file...but you CAN'T, it 
> would drive you guys nuts knowing that you're being mocked byond belief, 
> and not being able to defend yourselves.  Why haven't you done it yet?  
> Anyways, even if you did, those who won't will still flood the NG with 
> witty retorts to our messages, and you'd have to wade through that 
> shit!  You can't win.
>
True, your stuff is shit.  No argument there.  Who gives a shit whether
your friends mock us. Our friends mock you beyond belief. Moot point.
 
Colin.


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> > Jeannie:
> > > > P.S. Actually, little kids and animals love me, because they know
I can be
> > > > trusted.
> > > 
> > > Peter Piper and the rats?
> > > 
> > > Colin.
> > 
> > You see! And you ask us why we come here. "Peter Piper and the rats."
> > 
> > You mean, of course, Pied Piper.
> 
> This horrendous mistake will undoubtably have a great explanation. Colin
> probably thinks it was Peter Piper until the JOOOOOS changed it to 'picked
> a peck of pickled peppers...'. You know that Colin is an expert on
> children's stories and has documented Isreali symbolism in many of them. 
> 
No no, Pied Piper is correct. You can now officially claim to have gotten
something right.  Well done.  How long has it taken you to get something
right? Eighteen years?

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Sat Jun 24 22:52:06 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> : We realize you are ignorant of reality.
> 
> Ignorant of reality? This coming from the guy that refused to believe 
> that blood transfusions between whites and blacks were possible?

Did you ever read the end of the thread?

Did you realize that I had both Young Ho and joan over a barrel? The
problem with these newsgroups is that when the going gets tough, you can
simply walk out (which they both did).

For the record I never said it was impossible for blacks and whites to
have blood transfusions.  What I said was that it shouldn't happen because
of the side effects.  Which is a lot different from what you said.

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> > Why do you liberals bother replying and/or writing articles?
> > This question has been perplexing me for a while.
> 
> Why? Because we like you :-)

>From  all my email that I get from liberals, I would have thought the opposite.
> 
> > Bearcat is a fly by night liberal that let us know he can achieve a state
> > of excess emotion.
> 
> This has a familiar ring. Haven't you been saying this for awhile?
> I guess it must be my passion for life that you're picking up on.
> Perhaps because you're so lacking in it, yourself.
> 
True, I refuse to argue on base arguments.  If I really wanted to argue
with the mind of a child, I could always argue with my nephews and
nieces.  I expect different from adults.  Something you have obviously
failed to achieve (adulthood).

> Spending all of your enregy trying to prop up indefinsible bullshit
> must take a little of the, shall we say, fire out of your life.
> 
Wouldn't know with your arguments.

> Did you know, Colin, that there is little difference, neurologically,
> between feelings and thoughts? Really. The distinction placed on 
> these "categories" is being seriously questioned in neuroscientific
> circles.
> 
> I guess my point is, I have both, and lots of 'em. What do you 
> have?
>
I agree that you have lots feelings and display them. You are being a bit
presumptous with thought wouldn't you say?
 
> > To anybody else that has written in against us, why? We really are not
> > interested in your narrow minded views.  We realize you are ignorant of
> > reality. You seem happy with that state of mind.  We really don't care
> > whether you stay ignorant or not. 
> 
> Funny, that's exactly what we think about you. So why bother writing in?
It fails to answer the question.
> 
> > If we wanted to be liberals then we would be liberals. We're not, and you
> > talk about us being thick. The liberal mind knows no lows.
> 
> You couldn't be a liberal, Colin. I suspect you were born with your
> particular brain malfunction.

If I had a brain malfunction I would be a prime candidate for being a
liberal. If you hadn't noticed I have said I was once a liberal. 
Unfortunately it involved to much faith and repetition, nothing on reason.
So I left that lifestyle.  

Colin.


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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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> > Why do you liberals bother replying and/or writing articles?
> > This question has been perplexing me for a while.
> 
> Liars offend me. You, Griswold, Charbonneau, and the other racists are liars.
> 
> Next question?
> 
So liberals must offend you the most by your own argument. Either that or
you have a skewed logic on who liars are.

Why don't you bother replying to liberals?

Colin.


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> >No one ever said miscegenation was the sole cause of the decline of
> >empires. 
> 
> Why, yes they did, buckets. More than one of your little ilkies said
> it, most notably Griswold and McKinstry. 
> 
Yet another misquote. I said something similar to buckets.  I said it was
often the resultant of the decline of civilizations. 
  
Colin.


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> >But hey I'm just ignorant and afraid aren't I?
> >
> >Colin.
> 
> Well, yes, in fact, you are. 

I must compare research notes with you sometime.

> Are you by any chance a one-mane
> leftist conspiracy to make white supremacists look even more
> ignorant and illogical than they already do?
> 
> Just curious.

More liberal logic?  Has all the liberals been taking lessons from
Bearcat?  Does Bearcat run classes on how to display ones emotions in
excess?

Colin.


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> Colin,
> 
>    If that's the case, you really should bear in mind that "Excrementum
> vincit cerebellum."
> 
>    Anyway, congratulations.  I never thought anyone could ever out-Les
> Les, but you've more than reassured me that anything is possible.
> 
Was this lieu of my jewish comment?  You have deleted it.

Colin.


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>    Such as the legislation making it illegal to own a copy of the "Protocols"
> in NZ ?
>  

I take it you didn't catch my earlier post "He who laughs last, laughs..."
Jeanne probably has a copy.

Either that or you could read Publications and Classified Acts 200-1.

>    Or the name and address of the expert who confirmed your discovery of
> Pheonician [sic] artifacts in a Maori site ?
> 
>    Colin ?

It was a reflex action to what I thought was Steve Garza's bullshit. 
However there is a pheonician artifact both in Thames Valley and in New
Plymouth (no, I didn't discover them).  Barry Fell is one expert that
knows about them.  He resides in the USA, address unknown.  However you
could pay the Maori expeditions a visit.  It would be in your best
interest to research what Phoenician "things" look like.  You should also
note various Maori legends on where they came from.  For example the
Moriori claim to come from Egypt "NZ Herald May 11 1995".  

Colin.


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> > Ever heard of the golden rule 
> > "He who has the gold, makes the rules"?
> 
> Who made that one up -- Peter Piper and the rats? As I recall, the golden
> rule says to treat others as you wish to be treated.
> 
Almost humourous Jeanne.  You are slowly learning.

> > Who has the gold? Which country is not in debt to the international bankers?
> > Who are the international bankers? How rich are the international bankers?
> 
> Who? Tell us, Colin!
>
And I was thinking you had some reasoning ability.
 
> > Who prints the money in the first place?  Who owns the shares in the
> > wholesale banks (Bank of England, Federal Reserve, Reserve Bank of NZ
> > etc)?
> 
> If you'd been keeping up with the goings-on in alt.conspiracy, you'd know
> that all of the ATM machines print their own money. Now the proper
> question to ask is, who owns the ATM machines? Colin, I'm really shocked
> that you didn't know about this. Must be another Z.O.G. conspiracy to make
> you look stupid.
>
Can't focus on your liberal logic here.  Being taking lessons from Bearcat?
 
> > Since they own the gold they make the rules.  If the rules fail then it
> > must be the rulemakers fault, and of course their "toadies" that support
> > them (neither side likes traitors). 
> > 
> > Oh, if money doesn't mean much then why do people work?  
> 
> For that warm fuzzy feeling? Because we're self-sacrificing lackies? I'm
> sure you know the real reason, though. Tell us.
> 
For a while there I had some respect for you.

Colin.


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> : Ever heard of the golden rule 
> : "He who has the gold, makes the rules"?
> 
> Sure.
> 
> : Who has the gold? Which country is not in debt to the international bankers?
> : Who are the international bankers? How rich are the international bankers?
> 
> The international bankers? Why, those who are controlled by those who 
> actually control the international means of production--the Japanese, 
> US, British, German, English, and other ruling classes. 

To whom do the countries owe debts?
> 
> : Who prints the money in the first place?  Who owns the shares in the
> : wholesale banks (Bank of England, Federal Reserve, Reserve Bank of NZ
> : etc)?
> 
> It's not who prints the money; it's who controls the printing, the 
> distribution, and the economy upon which it rests. As well as the mindset
> upon which it rests....

Conclusions?  Yes I realize the wholesale banks don't print the money,
that is why I called them wholesale for.  Does the government control the
printing?
> 
> : Since they own the gold they make the rules.  If the rules fail then it
> : must be the rulemakers fault, and of course their "toadies" that support
> : them (neither side likes traitors). 
> 
> So, what do we have? The international imperialist bourgeoisie, multi-
> racial, multi-ethnic, multi-religious.
> 
> Sure some are Jews. Some are Japanese practitioners of Shinto as well. Or
> has the entire Japanese ruling class really been implanted by the dreaded
> conspiracy, complete with full body-makeovers to hide the hooked noses
> and the rest of the tell-tale signs?
> 
And?

Colin.


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I'm afraid Communique from ZOG was more entertaining.  I give it about a C- for 
humour.  Better luck next time.

Perhaps you could keep trying?  As they say, practise makes perfect.

Colin.


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> > The society I envision is one without Steve Garza.  There will be less
> > verbal diarrhoea which has got to be a good start.
> > 
> > Colin.
> 
> Two sentences? They don't even address the questions I asked. If you can't
> respond by answering my questions then please don't bother to answer at
> all. I already know you don't approve of both my writing style and the
> subjects I speak about. Don't even read my posts, Mr. McKinstry, if you
> think I am writing verbal diarrhea. I'll be going away soon enough. I am
> losing interest in this newsgroup. It's supposed to be about political
> discussions and responding to questions and assertions made by the
> opposing side. 

Is any of the political groups this way inclined?  Most people here just
like to rant and rave. Almost nothing of the political persuasion has ever
occurred. Some of us post various articles of political interest.  The
liberals on the other hand like to bring everything down to the lowest
common denominator. The current feedback I get is over mispelling and bad
grammar.  Hardly the arena for debate. About the only field where serious
discussion takes place would be over email.  

> How else can you learn and grow intellectually? A post such
> as the one above is of the quality I would expect of Lester. You
> disappoint me, Mr. McKinstry.
> 
> Also, I received an email from you today. In it you ask me if I have
> received a previous letter. I have not. Yes, I am willing to consider the
> mountain of research you have. It seems a lot of off campus email to me
> has been bouncing.
> 
> I can't imagine why you would want me to read your research if you believe
> society would be better off without me. I also can't imagine why you would
> want to read my responses to your research if my posts here are so
> disgusting.

It is called sarcasm. Just trying to find out where you are at.  Don't
worry you are not alone.  Most people here cannot handle it.  I prefer to
keep the length of my posts to a minimum.


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> > >    Israel seems to be too tolerant of goyim.  I wish they would 
> > > start using those nuclear warheads on foul rubbish such as yourself.
> >
> > So long as it is no less than 30 megaton (wouldn't want them 
> > missing would we?). 
> > Could you make it after breakfast? I wouldn't want a good meal going
to wast.
> 
> That's "waste", Colin. And wouldn't it go to waste if you were
> immediately expunged by a little nuclear package?

Who wants to die on an empty stomach?
> 
> > Did I cut a little close to the bone Joseph? Hit a bit too succinctly? 
> 
> Nah - he's that way all the time. You should relate.

Never met him.  First mail message I read of his I'm afraid.
> 
> > Colin.  More evil than Satan himself.
> 
> Aw, Colin. You're just a puppy dog.
> 
Thats not what other liberals say.

Colin.


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Some recently said the Ashkenaz was hebrew for Germany, which I thought
was a bit strange.

After getting the learned Gesenius out. I located the heading Ashkenaz

[Ashkenaz, Ashchenaz] proper noun of a region and a nation in northern
Asia, sprung from the Cimmerians, Gen 10:3, to be sought for near Armenia,
Jer 51:27; unless this were a province of the country ["A similar form is
Ashpenaz"]. The modern Jews understand it to be Germany, and call that
country by this Hebrew name, which is only attributed to their wonderful
ignorance of geography.

Colin.


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> :I'm afraid Communique from ZOG was more entertaining.  I give it about
a C- for 
> :humour.  Better luck next time.
> 
> :Perhaps you could keep trying?  As they say, practise makes perfect.
> 
>     You know it stung when you get posts like this.
> 
> Mike "Never stop hitting them!" Beebe

You must be joking? Anybody prepared to do some work knows that what he
said was out of context, and some of the things he quoted are still funny
by themselves. How could I be offended by such lackwit tactics?

Colin.


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> >>    Such as the legislation making it illegal to own a copy of the
"Protocols"
> >> in NZ ?
> 
> >I take it you didn't catch my earlier post "He who laughs last, laughs..."
> >Jeanne probably has a copy.
> 
>    Nope. Post it again, or give me this "Jeanne"'s email address.

She tends to hang around. Look it up for yourself.
> 
> >Either that or you could read Publications and Classified Acts 200-1.
> 
>    Certainly. One notes, however, that your claim was "own", not "publish"
> or "distribute".

One notes however that it is your quote ("own").
> 
> >>    Or the name and address of the expert who confirmed your discovery of
> >> Pheonician [sic] artifacts in a Maori site ?
> 
> >However there is a pheonician artifact both in Thames Valley and in New
> >Plymouth (no, I didn't discover them).
> 
>    The address of the museum with them ? The name and address of the academic
> who confirmed them ?
> 
>    Come *on*, Colin.

Get out a map. Do it yourself. Why should I do all the work? All you have
done is whine and complain.
> 
> >Barry Fell is one expert that knows about them.  He resides in the USA, 
> >address unknown. 
> 
>    I'm sorry, that's not good enough. If Phoenician artifacts were in Maori
> sites, this would be common knowledge among NZ academics. Please provide
> a source I can *check*, rather than vague hand-waving.
> 
Did you ever discover the book "Odd man out"?  Please tell how many
academics know about this.  The cretin that did "New Zealand at War" was
ignorant of the book, until one of my friends told him about it.  Even
then he didn't make amends. 

You can read Barry Fell's books "Bronze Age America", "Saga America" and
"America B.C" while these books are concentrated on America, he does
occasionally diverge into Polynesia (since he is a New Zealander).

> >You should also note various Maori legends on where they came from.  For
> >example the Moriori claim to come from Egypt "NZ Herald May 11 1995".  
> 
>    1, The Moriori were not Maoris.

I am more familiar with Morioris.  I have never bothered to remember the
maori tribe's names. So I could not quote you a Maori legend about their
origins. They do exist however.  One such tribe claims to have come from
Scandinavia for example. Yes, I do realize they are not the same, no
matter how much the Chatam Island Maoris won't it so.

>    2, The Egyptians were not Phoenicians.

I know this.

>    3, The New Zealand Herald is not a referreed journal of anthropology.
>
It is a citation of the Moriori's claim. The Nitpickers on this group
require me to dot my i's and cross my t's.
 
>    Is this your best evidence ?

Do some research yourself. Examine the Maori legends for a start.

Colin.


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> : Some recently said the Ashkenaz was hebrew for Germany, which I thought
> : was a bit strange.
> 
> I didn't see anybody say that, but from what I've obsereved
> of you, that doesn't mean you didn't hear it.

More emotional excess? Putting words in my mouth now? Mark was the author.
> 
> : After getting the learned Gesenius out. I located the heading Ashkenaz
> 
> What is this tome you're refering to? 

The tome is called Gesenius.  I have mentioned him before, to which you
have no knowledge of.  Upon all hebrew dictionaries, lexicons etc is based
upon the work done by Gesenius.
> 
> : [Ashkenaz, Ashchenaz] proper noun of a region and a nation in northern
> : Asia, sprung from the Cimmerians, Gen 10:3, to be sought for near Armenia,
> : Jer 51:27; unless this were a province of the country ["A similar form is
> : Ashpenaz"]. The modern Jews understand it to be Germany, and call that
> : country by this Hebrew name, which is only attributed to their wonderful
> : ignorance of geography.
> 
> Colin. Accusing Jews of ignorance. Just which of your assholes
> did you pull the above [dis]information out of?

Keep up the ignorance.  It makes you look proud. It was Gesenius who
accused the jews of ignorance, but keep up the ranting.
> 
> You forced me to turn to my little teensy encyclopedia; Here
> it is, just for you:
> 
> ------------ From Grolier's encyclopedia
> 
> Ashkenazim
> 
> {ash-kuh-naz'-im} 
> 
> The Ashkenazim are one of the two major divisions of the JEWS, 
> the other being the SEPHARDIM.  The division is based on geographic, 
> linguistic, and cultural distinctions.  
> 
> The term Ashkenazim was derived from Ashkenaz, the great-grandson 
> of Noah (Gen.  10:3). Medieval rabbis, to explain Jewish settlements 
> in the Rhineland predating the Roman Empire, claimed that Ashkenaz 
> immigrated to Germany after the DELUGE. 
> 
> The language identified with Ashkenazic culture is Yiddish, a 
> melange of Middle German, Laaz, Slavic, and Hebrew, written in 
> Hebrew characters.  
> 
> Before the 12th century, RASHI, Gershom ben Judah, and other 
> scholars made Speyer, Worms, and Mainz centers of Jewish learning.  
> Their achievements so impressed Eastern Jews that when refugees 
> from these centers fled eastward from the crusaders, 
> they were called Ashkenazim.  Later, during the persecutions 
> in the 17th century, large numbers of Eastern Jews settled 
> in Western Europe. 
> 
> Today the term Ashkenazim applies to Jews whose ancestors 
> originally lived in German lands;  Sephardim applies to Jews whose 
> ancestors resided in the Iberian Peninsula.  Ashkenazi Jews constitute 
> more than 80 percent of the world Jewish population. 
> 
> --------------------
> 
> Where are the references to the Crimea? Where does Armenia
> figure in? Give it up. You don't have a scholarly leg
> to stand on, and you don't even want to know the truth.
> 
>  - Bearcat

I notice you don't either.

Colin.


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>     Tell us about the banned 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' again!
>     At this rate, you're gonna beat Lead-Brained Les as Biggest Liar
>     on the Usenet!
> 
Mike, why didn't you read "He who laughs last, laughs ...". It would have
for you ego.  A lot of people these days record my messages, so I am sure
you can ask one of them to repeat it.

Please look up under "Universal Declaration of Human Rights"

Article 26:2 and Article 30.

Plus there are several books written by the UN. For example "Everyone's
United Nations".  Look under racial discrimination.  

Though I assume you prefer to keep your foot in your mouth for old times
sake. Has it become a fetish?

Colin.


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In article <3sj8m7$sav@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:

> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
> 
> : Mike Beebe reason was to flame us.  Just that he is not very good at it.
> : You'd think if he were intelligent he'd of given up.
> 
>      Read VERY slowly and this might sink into the little wad of spackling
>      that acts as your brain:
> 
>      You don't debate freaks, you laugh at them.
> 
Exactly, that is why we all laugh at you Mike.

Colin.


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> : > > To anybody else that has written in against us, why? We really are not
> : > > interested in your narrow minded views.  We realize you are ignorant of
> : > > reality. You seem happy with that state of mind.  We really don't care
> : > > whether you stay ignorant or not. 
> : > 
> : > Funny, that's exactly what we think about you. 
> 
> : So why bother writing in?
> : It fails to answer the question.
> 
> It's just so damn much fun! That's why :-)
> 
Yes I do believe you are a masochist.

Colin.


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In article <3sj8m7$sav@news1.best.com>, stukafox@best.com (StukaFox) wrote:

> McKinstry (cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz) wrote:
> 
> : Mike Beebe reason was to flame us.  Just that he is not very good at it.
> : You'd think if he were intelligent he'd of given up.
> 
>      Read VERY slowly and this might sink into the little wad of spackling
>      that acts as your brain:
> 
>      You don't debate freaks, you laugh at them.
> 
Exactly, that is why we all laugh at you Mike.

Colin.


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> : > > To anybody else that has written in against us, why? We really are not
> : > > interested in your narrow minded views.  We realize you are ignorant of
> : > > reality. You seem happy with that state of mind.  We really don't care
> : > > whether you stay ignorant or not. 
> : > 
> : > Funny, that's exactly what we think about you. 
> 
> : So why bother writing in?
> : It fails to answer the question.
> 
> It's just so damn much fun! That's why :-)
> 
Yes I do believe you are a masochist.

Colin.


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> > > > I reply at the same maturity level of the author.  If you want to make
> > > > some attack on me, then be prepared for retaliation.  I am quite
prepared
> > > > to use your own attack against you.  It would seem silly of me to allow
> > > > attacks on my person to go undefended isn't it? 
> > > > 
> > > > > In the future, please end all of such projections with
> > > > > "neener, neener, neener!" so that I can give them the proper amount of
> > > > > attention.
> > > > 
> > > > What is "neener, neener, neener !"? Is it some american girl's chant at
> > > school?
> > > 
> > > Yes, American kids use this in sing-songy way to insult each other on the
> > > playground. It's just another version of 'nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah,
> > > nyah!' and is much easier to write.
> > > 
> > So this is the maximum level of maturity that you possess?
> 
> Not at all. You asked me for a definition and I gave it to you.

I was referring to the level of maturity you possess.  But thanks for the
definition.
> 
> > > 
> > Yes, perhaps you do need all summer to be able to flame me.  You are not
> > very good.  
> 
> Well, I'm not the only one doing it, so I will have plenty of time to
> devote to other activities.
> 
Pump up my ego, pump up my ego.  I'm quite flattered, that there is a
bunch of people that are going to devote their entire summer trying to
flame me.

> > > 
> > > Well, I do now, but that's just because it's a fluffy-headed liberal
> > > stereotype of people like you.
> > > 
> > Can't argue with that saying (fluffy-headed liberal). Least you admit it.
> 
> Yep, that was my top achievement in Who's Who in American Colleges and
> Universities. Actually I was the Fluffy Liberals' pompom girl.
> 
As I stated, can't argue with that.

> > > > > I just happen to suspect that your
> > > > > particular idealogy is based on or greatly enhanced by mental illness.
> > > > >
> > > > I take it that anybody that thinks differently to you suffers from
mental
> > > > illness?
> > > 
> > > Heck no! Most people think differently than I do, and I find the
> > > differences very healthy. That's why I find that trying to label people as
> > > liberal or conservative just doesn't work. If people have had a chance to
> > > mature and figure out how they feel about important issues, they will have
> > > certain areas where they don't follow their political party's platform.
> > >
> > You are assuming that I follow rigidly to the WP's here aren't you?
>  
> No, I assume that you are a mental case and have your own peculiar agenda.
> I don't think the diehard WPs would want such a loose cannon on their
> side.
> 
I wouldn't base to much faith on your assumptions.  They are often wrong. 

> > > > I cannot and will not be conformed to somebody else's standards.  If I 
> > > > don't fit into any of your models then that is your problem.  
> > > 
> > > You don't get it, Colin. I don't have any models for you to fit into, but
> > > I would like for you to take your medication. Really.
> > > 
> > After your results with experimenting with lithium? You must be joking.
> 
> Take your meds.
> 
Resorting to pleading won't help you.  After seeing what lithium has done
to you, I'd rather not take it.

Colin.


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>    Nope. Your claim was that it was illegal to *own* a copy of the Protocols
> in New Zealand.
> 
>    I will be checking this, including calling the Parliamentry Library. I
> assume you'll admit that you were wrong if this is the case ?
> 
I'll admit I am wrong if the check against Parlimentry Library (in the
appropriate sections).  Not otherwise.  By the way I can also access such
things as well.

>    A map does not list museums or the addresses of archeologists.
> 
>    Once again, Colin. The address of the museum with them ? The name and
> address of the academic who confirmed them ?
> 
First, I do not memorise everything.  The address of the exhibition of
Maori artifacts is not unknown, the public has ready access to it.

Officially no academic has confirmed.  There is to many politics involved
for such to be declared.  I gave you one, Barry Fell a Professor of
linguistics.
 
> >>    I'm sorry, that's not good enough. If Phoenician artifacts were in Maori
> >> sites, this would be common knowledge among NZ academics. Please provide
> >> addresses I can *check* instead of vague hadwaving.
> 
> >Did you ever discover the book "Odd man out"?  Please tell how many
> >academics know about this.  The cretin that did "New Zealand at War" was
> >ignorant of the book, until one of my friends told him about it.  Even
> >then he didn't make amends. 
> 
>    Pardon me, but please tell us what you claim this book says, who wrote it,
> his or her academic qualifications, and what relevance this has to your claim.
> 
The book records the event of a maori officer who gave the Japanese,
British posts, raids and so forth from Malaysia.  What really happened in
Malaysia concerning the British troops and the Australians troops.  Though
a Nitpicker as yourself will not believe what I say about it because I
have not produced the author and his qualifications.  I do not remember
the man's name.  He was however in Malaysia at the time.  It has been
backed up by other RSA members of World War II who served (and survived)
the Japanese takeover of Malaysia.  The book is still sold at Whitcouls,
London Book and so forth.  
 
> >You can read Barry Fell's books "Bronze Age America", "Saga America" and
> >"America B.C" while these books are concentrated on America, he does
> >occasionally diverge into Polynesia (since he is a New Zealander).
> 
>    The specific claims, Colin. The book and page number. The academic
> qualifications of Barry Fell.
> 
The books are mentioned.  Please look at the index under Polynesia.

> >>    1, The Moriori were not Maoris.
> 
> >I am more familiar with Morioris.  I have never bothered to remember the
> >maori tribe's names. So I could not quote you a Maori legend about their
> >origins. They do exist however. 
> 
>    I know. Hawaiiki, I believe, was their claimed home land, somewhere in
> the Pacific, Colin. The Great Migration happened about 1000 AD.
> 
> >One such tribe claims to have come from Scandinavia for example.
> 
>    Proof, Colin ? This sort of stupid bullshit claim is typical of you.
> 
Now you know why I quoted the Morioris.  The Morioris is one to whom I am
far more familiar.  As I stated previously I quoted the Morioris because I
am unfamiliar with the Maori tribe's names.  There own legends can be
found in books that contain maori mythology.  I will let you look it up. 
Neither do I necessarily believe that the tribes came from Scandinavia. 
>From  indications it would seem they came from around the Phillopines. 
Though this is still open to debate.  

Colin.


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> As this thread focuses on the law in New Zealand, I am adding nz.politics
> to the crosspost list for their input. 
> 
> Before I get to the meat of the matter, a few comments. Colin argued that
> simple possession of the "protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is
> prohibited in New Zealand. Heattempted to bolster this argument by
> selectively quoting the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and a New
> Zealand Law. These quotes demand that I respond in pseudo-legalese, and
> that makes this post as long as it is. That's also why it took me a while
> to respond. I am simply an ignorant Yank, not an attorney, let alone one
> licensed to practice in New Zealand, so your mileage may vary.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> SUMMARY:
> 
> The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (hereinafter UDHR) is not
> legally binding. In the strictest sense, no action of the UN is legally
> binding, as the UN is not a sovereign power. That is why they are called
> declarations and resolutions and not, as Colin incorrectly used the term,
> legislation.
> 
> The UDHR does not demand censorship of racist materials, as Colin said it
> does. In fact, it defends the "freedom to hold opinions without
> interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through
> any media and regardless of frontiers." From my reading, the actions of
> the government of New Zealand--if they are as Colin describes them, which
> I doubt (see below)--run directly contrary to the UDHR.
> 
> New Zealand's Films, Videos, and Publications Classification Bill (No.
> 200-1, hereinafter FVPCB) may or may not prohibit possession,
> distribution, publication, or import of the Protocols of the Learned
> Elders of Zion. I cannot access this bill on the Web, as I did the UDHR.
> Does the NZ gov't have a gopher? Another side point--why is it a "bill,"
> and not an "act?" Has it not yet become law, or do those words have
> different meanings in New Zealand than in the US?
> 
It has become law.

> It does seem that FVPCB would classify the "Protocols" as an
> "objectionable work." What is not clear from Colin's quotes is what
> constitutes an offense under FVPCB. The sections that define offenses have
> been omitted from the quotes thus far posted. Also unclear is whether the
> law deals with criminal offenses of civil actions. There's a vast
> difference between "banned" and "actionable."
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ON WITH THE SHOW:
> 
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:
> 
>    >    Article 26
>    >    2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human
>    >    personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and
>    >    fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, TOLERANCE and
>    >    friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall
>    >    further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of 
>    >    peace.
> 
> Article 26 does not address the issue of freedom of speech. It describes
> the right to a basic education. The clause you cited above describes that
> education. Any application of that Article outside of the classroom would
> involve inferring something that the article was clearly not intended to
> imply (see discussion of Article 30, below). 
>
So when does education become restricted to the classroom only?
 
> And in your quote from Article 26, you left out section (3):
> 
> (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall
> be given to their children. 
>
So (3) can overide (2)? Is this your point?
 
>    > So where does that resolution become legally binding?
> 
>    Only if the country accepts (and signs) the UN human rights legistration.
>    New Zealand has. My point being that the UN is against it, which was a
>    point most failed to notice and continued with their emotional rant.  It
>    can only be enforced if that country agrees to keep it. The USA has not
>    done so, New Zealand has -- see the difference?
>    
> I believe that the U.S. was one of the original signers of the Universal
> Declaration of Human Rights, and so was the U.S.S.R. I haven't been able
> to find out for sure, but I did find the following on the UN's list of
> milestones (gopher://gopher.undp.org:70/00/un50/MILESTON.DOC)
> 
>    1948--General Assembly adopts Universal Declaration on Human Rights
without 
>    opposition.
> 
> It's a declaration, NOT legislation. The United Nations is not a sovereign
> power. Whatever legislation NZ passes is a strictly internal affair.
> 
>    > BTW, I assume the emphasis, here and below, is yours.
>    > 
>    >    Article 30
>    >    Nothing in this Declaration may ... perform any ACT aimed at the
>    >    destruction of any rights and freedoms set forth herein.
>    >    
>    > Obviously, something relevant was omitted, because the sentence as
>    > presented makes no sense. What does the ellipsis (...) represent?
>    >
>    The ellipsis means there was other stuff there, but being lazy, I couldn't
>    be bothered writing it out.  If you believe I am defrauding you, you are
>    welcome to read it for yourself.
> 
> I did. You did leave out the crucial sections of the article, the ones
> that give it meaning.
> 
>    ARTICLE 30. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for 
>    any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to  
>    perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms 
>    set forth herein.
> 
> In other words, no clause in the document can be interpreted as enabling
> others the right to invalidate any of the rights contained in it. It
> doesn't prohibit such actions--UN declarations generally don't prohibit
> much of anything--it just says that this document doesn't give that right.
> That's a fairly standard clause in a declaration of this type.
>
So I was defrauding you? 
 
> You left out a couple of other articles of the declaration, articles that
> New Zealand, if your interpretation is correct, is violating:
> 
>    ARTICLE 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and 
>    religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or
belief, and 
>    freedom either alone or in community with others and in public or
> private, to 
>    manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and
> obervance. 
> 
>    ARTICLE 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and
> expression; this 
>    right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, 
>    receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
regardless of 
>    frontiers. 
> 
> Article 30 states that nothing in the document implies the right to
> destroy the rights contained in the document. If the government of New
> Zealand is passing law based on the Declaration (which I doubt), and is
> extrapolating from the "education" section (Article 26) the right to ban
> racist materials (which you have not proven), it is using an implied
> imperative from Section 26 to deny an express right in Section 19, and
> hence disregarding the clarification in Article 30. 
>
Excuse me, education of tolerance is against freedom of speech.  Article
26:2 describes what is allowed to be taught.

> In other words, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights explicitly
> excludes the action that you say it requires. Even if it WERE legally
> binding on its signatories, no rational reading of the Declaration could
> lead to the conclusion that it requires the banning of any publication on
> the grounds that it is "objectionable" due to racism, etc.
> 
>    > Fine. That's a statement of goals, resolves, and ideals. You have not
>    > demonstrated one word to indicate that the UN considers that document to
>    > be legally binding, nor that New Zealand considers itself bound by same.
>    > 
>    > In other words, the whole UN argument is utterly irrelevant.
> 
>    Not at all. If you read the book you will notice that they were active in
>    the above.
>     
> I thought that the whole point of your quote was to bolster your argument.
> Evidently not. As a general rule, if you quote a book and have to follow
> that quot up with "if you read the book...", then you haven't quoted
> effectively. 
> 
>    98. Seizure of objectionable publications -- (1) Subject to subsection (2)
>    of this section, where an Inspector or a member of the Police, in the
>    course of carrying out his or her lawful duties, discovers any publication
>    that he or she believes, on reasonable grounds, to be objectionable, that
>    person may, without further authority than this section, seize that
>    publication
>    (2) Nothing in subsection(1) of this section applies to any publication
>    that is in the possession of any person in circumstances in which, by
>    virtue of subsection(4) or subsection(5) of section 121 of the Act, the
>    possession of that publication by that person is not an offence against
>    subsection(1) of that section,
>    
> It sounds like you may be overly broad in stating that possession or sale
> of objectionable works is strictly illegal--the section above limits
> police action to the curcumstances listed in section 121. From the above,
> I infer that Section 12, subsection (1) defines an offense. Subsections
> (4) and (5) apparently clarify that definition, probably by providing
> exceptions. I haven't seen that subsection, so I don't know what it
> entails. And getting my hands on the criminal code of New Zealand is far
> more effort than it's worth.
> 
>    113. Offences of strict liability relating to objectionable publications 
>    (2) Every person who commits an offence against subsection(1) of this
>    section is liable to a fine not exceeding,--
>       (a) In the case of an individual, $5,000:
>       (b) In the case of a body corporate, %15,000.
>    (3) It shall be no defence to a charge under subsection(1) of this section
>    that the defendant had no knowledge or no reasonable cause to believe that
>    the publication to which the charge relates was objectionable.
> 
> You list the maximum penalties and defenses explicitly disallowed, but you
> left out subsection (1). Both of the subsections above refer to subsection
> (1), which defines the offense, and was conveniently omitted. "Strict
> liability" is left undefined. This is unilluminating in the extreme.
> 
> Is your reading of the law that bad, or was the omission intentional?
> 
> The use of the phrase "strict liability" sounds like the act (whatever
> that may be) described in section 113, subsection (1) makes someone
> vulnerable to civil suit under undefined circumstances (found in section
> 121, subsections (1), (4), and (5)). I can't tell for sure.
>    
>    It is a crime in New Zealand to possess a copy of the Protocols of the
>    Learned Elders of Zion.
> 
> Maybe. Maybe not. You have omitted the sections of the law that could
> prove or disprove that contention.
>
I'll try to bring the document tomorrow.  Must have forgotten to insert
the appropriate sections.  
 
>    It is objectionable material, it discriminates according to ethnic or 
>    religious origins.
> 
> Sounds like it. But you have not proven that simple possession,
> publication, or distribution of objectionable material constitutes a
> criminal offense. 
> 
> I'm no expert on Kiwi jurisprudence, but it doesn't take a Ph.D. (or even
> a J.D. or an LL.D.) to know that the quotes thus far have omitted key
> sections of the act. Without those sections, the sections that have been
> quoted are not germane to the subject. You've made a strong case that the
> NZ government considers the "Protocols" objectionable. So do I. You have
> not made the case that posssessing pbjectionable materials constitutes a
> criminal offense.
> 
Would it be too hard to presume my listing of fines for objectionable
material suffices?  

Did not I include the seizure of public propertity and some of clauses it
entailed?

Colin.


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> Ashekenaz is derived from a Biblical/Talmudic reference to the Gomer and
> Gog and Magog. Anyway, a group of nomadic people who seem to have been a
> mixture of Aryan and Turkic peoples (the former predominating) converted
> to Judaism about 1000 years ago in an area near Armenia. But are they
> descendants of the Cimmerians? The Aryan people who drove them out of
> Russian and Ukrainian area were the Scythians and Sarmatians. I had
> wondered what became of the Cimmerians. How do you reach this conclusion?
> It must be noted that Jews are a mixture of many peoples. There were
> middle eastern Jews, Chinese Jews, Spanish Jews (many of whom "discoved"
> the new world on Columbus' ships) and so on... The Sephardic Jews live in
> Turkey and of course Israel.
> Anyway, are you certain about the Cimmerian/Ashekenazi link?
> 
You'd have to investigate Gesenius's notes.  Gesenius's notes are noted to
be impeccable.  As for the Cimmerian/Ashkenazi link, I haven't done any
personal research into the area.  I am prepared to stick to Gesenius's
notes rather than yours.

Colin.


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> As this thread focuses on the law in New Zealand, I am adding nz.politics
> to the crosspost list for their input. 
> 
> Before I get to the meat of the matter, a few comments. Colin argued that
> simple possession of the "protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is
> prohibited in New Zealand. Heattempted to bolster this argument by
> selectively quoting the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and a New
> Zealand Law. These quotes demand that I respond in pseudo-legalese, and
> that makes this post as long as it is. That's also why it took me a while
> to respond. I am simply an ignorant Yank, not an attorney, let alone one
> licensed to practice in New Zealand, so your mileage may vary.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> SUMMARY:
> 
> The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (hereinafter UDHR) is not
> legally binding. In the strictest sense, no action of the UN is legally
> binding, as the UN is not a sovereign power. That is why they are called
> declarations and resolutions and not, as Colin incorrectly used the term,
> legislation.
> 
> The UDHR does not demand censorship of racist materials, as Colin said it
> does. In fact, it defends the "freedom to hold opinions without
> interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through
> any media and regardless of frontiers." From my reading, the actions of
> the government of New Zealand--if they are as Colin describes them, which
> I doubt (see below)--run directly contrary to the UDHR.
> 
> New Zealand's Films, Videos, and Publications Classification Bill (No.
> 200-1, hereinafter FVPCB) may or may not prohibit possession,
> distribution, publication, or import of the Protocols of the Learned
> Elders of Zion. I cannot access this bill on the Web, as I did the UDHR.
> Does the NZ gov't have a gopher? Another side point--why is it a "bill,"
> and not an "act?" Has it not yet become law, or do those words have
> different meanings in New Zealand than in the US?
> 
It has become law.

> It does seem that FVPCB would classify the "Protocols" as an
> "objectionable work." What is not clear from Colin's quotes is what
> constitutes an offense under FVPCB. The sections that define offenses have
> been omitted from the quotes thus far posted. Also unclear is whether the
> law deals with criminal offenses of civil actions. There's a vast
> difference between "banned" and "actionable."
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ON WITH THE SHOW:
> 
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:
> 
>    >    Article 26
>    >    2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human
>    >    personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and
>    >    fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, TOLERANCE and
>    >    friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall
>    >    further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of 
>    >    peace.
> 
> Article 26 does not address the issue of freedom of speech. It describes
> the right to a basic education. The clause you cited above describes that
> education. Any application of that Article outside of the classroom would
> involve inferring something that the article was clearly not intended to
> imply (see discussion of Article 30, below). 
>
So when does education become restricted to the classroom only?
 
> And in your quote from Article 26, you left out section (3):
> 
> (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall
> be given to their children. 
>
So (3) can overide (2)? Is this your point?
 
>    > So where does that resolution become legally binding?
> 
>    Only if the country accepts (and signs) the UN human rights legistration.
>    New Zealand has. My point being that the UN is against it, which was a
>    point most failed to notice and continued with their emotional rant.  It
>    can only be enforced if that country agrees to keep it. The USA has not
>    done so, New Zealand has -- see the difference?
>    
> I believe that the U.S. was one of the original signers of the Universal
> Declaration of Human Rights, and so was the U.S.S.R. I haven't been able
> to find out for sure, but I did find the following on the UN's list of
> milestones (gopher://gopher.undp.org:70/00/un50/MILESTON.DOC)
> 
>    1948--General Assembly adopts Universal Declaration on Human Rights
without 
>    opposition.
> 
> It's a declaration, NOT legislation. The United Nations is not a sovereign
> power. Whatever legislation NZ passes is a strictly internal affair.
> 
>    > BTW, I assume the emphasis, here and below, is yours.
>    > 
>    >    Article 30
>    >    Nothing in this Declaration may ... perform any ACT aimed at the
>    >    destruction of any rights and freedoms set forth herein.
>    >    
>    > Obviously, something relevant was omitted, because the sentence as
>    > presented makes no sense. What does the ellipsis (...) represent?
>    >
>    The ellipsis means there was other stuff there, but being lazy, I couldn't
>    be bothered writing it out.  If you believe I am defrauding you, you are
>    welcome to read it for yourself.
> 
> I did. You did leave out the crucial sections of the article, the ones
> that give it meaning.
> 
>    ARTICLE 30. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for 
>    any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to  
>    perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms 
>    set forth herein.
> 
> In other words, no clause in the document can be interpreted as enabling
> others the right to invalidate any of the rights contained in it. It
> doesn't prohibit such actions--UN declarations generally don't prohibit
> much of anything--it just says that this document doesn't give that right.
> That's a fairly standard clause in a declaration of this type.
>
So I was defrauding you? 
 
> You left out a couple of other articles of the declaration, articles that
> New Zealand, if your interpretation is correct, is violating:
> 
>    ARTICLE 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and 
>    religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or
belief, and 
>    freedom either alone or in community with others and in public or
> private, to 
>    manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and
> obervance. 
> 
>    ARTICLE 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and
> expression; this 
>    right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, 
>    receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
regardless of 
>    frontiers. 
> 
> Article 30 states that nothing in the document implies the right to
> destroy the rights contained in the document. If the government of New
> Zealand is passing law based on the Declaration (which I doubt), and is
> extrapolating from the "education" section (Article 26) the right to ban
> racist materials (which you have not proven), it is using an implied
> imperative from Section 26 to deny an express right in Section 19, and
> hence disregarding the clarification in Article 30. 
>
Excuse me, education of tolerance is against freedom of speech.  Article
26:2 describes what is allowed to be taught.

> In other words, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights explicitly
> excludes the action that you say it requires. Even if it WERE legally
> binding on its signatories, no rational reading of the Declaration could
> lead to the conclusion that it requires the banning of any publication on
> the grounds that it is "objectionable" due to racism, etc.
> 
>    > Fine. That's a statement of goals, resolves, and ideals. You have not
>    > demonstrated one word to indicate that the UN considers that document to
>    > be legally binding, nor that New Zealand considers itself bound by same.
>    > 
>    > In other words, the whole UN argument is utterly irrelevant.
> 
>    Not at all. If you read the book you will notice that they were active in
>    the above.
>     
> I thought that the whole point of your quote was to bolster your argument.
> Evidently not. As a general rule, if you quote a book and have to follow
> that quot up with "if you read the book...", then you haven't quoted
> effectively. 
> 
>    98. Seizure of objectionable publications -- (1) Subject to subsection (2)
>    of this section, where an Inspector or a member of the Police, in the
>    course of carrying out his or her lawful duties, discovers any publication
>    that he or she believes, on reasonable grounds, to be objectionable, that
>    person may, without further authority than this section, seize that
>    publication
>    (2) Nothing in subsection(1) of this section applies to any publication
>    that is in the possession of any person in circumstances in which, by
>    virtue of subsection(4) or subsection(5) of section 121 of the Act, the
>    possession of that publication by that person is not an offence against
>    subsection(1) of that section,
>    
> It sounds like you may be overly broad in stating that possession or sale
> of objectionable works is strictly illegal--the section above limits
> police action to the curcumstances listed in section 121. From the above,
> I infer that Section 12, subsection (1) defines an offense. Subsections
> (4) and (5) apparently clarify that definition, probably by providing
> exceptions. I haven't seen that subsection, so I don't know what it
> entails. And getting my hands on the criminal code of New Zealand is far
> more effort than it's worth.
> 
>    113. Offences of strict liability relating to objectionable publications 
>    (2) Every person who commits an offence against subsection(1) of this
>    section is liable to a fine not exceeding,--
>       (a) In the case of an individual, $5,000:
>       (b) In the case of a body corporate, %15,000.
>    (3) It shall be no defence to a charge under subsection(1) of this section
>    that the defendant had no knowledge or no reasonable cause to believe that
>    the publication to which the charge relates was objectionable.
> 
> You list the maximum penalties and defenses explicitly disallowed, but you
> left out subsection (1). Both of the subsections above refer to subsection
> (1), which defines the offense, and was conveniently omitted. "Strict
> liability" is left undefined. This is unilluminating in the extreme.
> 
> Is your reading of the law that bad, or was the omission intentional?
> 
> The use of the phrase "strict liability" sounds like the act (whatever
> that may be) described in section 113, subsection (1) makes someone
> vulnerable to civil suit under undefined circumstances (found in section
> 121, subsections (1), (4), and (5)). I can't tell for sure.
>    
>    It is a crime in New Zealand to possess a copy of the Protocols of the
>    Learned Elders of Zion.
> 
> Maybe. Maybe not. You have omitted the sections of the law that could
> prove or disprove that contention.
>
I'll try to bring the document tomorrow.  Must have forgotten to insert
the appropriate sections.  
 
>    It is objectionable material, it discriminates according to ethnic or 
>    religious origins.
> 
> Sounds like it. But you have not proven that simple possession,
> publication, or distribution of objectionable material constitutes a
> criminal offense. 
> 
> I'm no expert on Kiwi jurisprudence, but it doesn't take a Ph.D. (or even
> a J.D. or an LL.D.) to know that the quotes thus far have omitted key
> sections of the act. Without those sections, the sections that have been
> quoted are not germane to the subject. You've made a strong case that the
> NZ government considers the "Protocols" objectionable. So do I. You have
> not made the case that posssessing pbjectionable materials constitutes a
> criminal offense.
> 
Would it be too hard to presume my listing of fines for objectionable
material suffices?  

Did not I include the seizure of public propertity and some of clauses it
entailed?

Colin.


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> As this thread focuses on the law in New Zealand, I am adding nz.politics
> to the crosspost list for their input. 
> 
> Before I get to the meat of the matter, a few comments. Colin argued that
> simple possession of the "protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is
> prohibited in New Zealand. Heattempted to bolster this argument by
> selectively quoting the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and a New
> Zealand Law. These quotes demand that I respond in pseudo-legalese, and
> that makes this post as long as it is. That's also why it took me a while
> to respond. I am simply an ignorant Yank, not an attorney, let alone one
> licensed to practice in New Zealand, so your mileage may vary.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> SUMMARY:
> 
> The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (hereinafter UDHR) is not
> legally binding. In the strictest sense, no action of the UN is legally
> binding, as the UN is not a sovereign power. That is why they are called
> declarations and resolutions and not, as Colin incorrectly used the term,
> legislation.
> 
> The UDHR does not demand censorship of racist materials, as Colin said it
> does. In fact, it defends the "freedom to hold opinions without
> interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through
> any media and regardless of frontiers." From my reading, the actions of
> the government of New Zealand--if they are as Colin describes them, which
> I doubt (see below)--run directly contrary to the UDHR.
> 
> New Zealand's Films, Videos, and Publications Classification Bill (No.
> 200-1, hereinafter FVPCB) may or may not prohibit possession,
> distribution, publication, or import of the Protocols of the Learned
> Elders of Zion. I cannot access this bill on the Web, as I did the UDHR.
> Does the NZ gov't have a gopher? Another side point--why is it a "bill,"
> and not an "act?" Has it not yet become law, or do those words have
> different meanings in New Zealand than in the US?
> 
It has become law.

> It does seem that FVPCB would classify the "Protocols" as an
> "objectionable work." What is not clear from Colin's quotes is what
> constitutes an offense under FVPCB. The sections that define offenses have
> been omitted from the quotes thus far posted. Also unclear is whether the
> law deals with criminal offenses of civil actions. There's a vast
> difference between "banned" and "actionable."
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ON WITH THE SHOW:
> 
> cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry) wrote:
> 
>    >    Article 26
>    >    2. Education shall be directed to the full development of the human
>    >    personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and
>    >    fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, TOLERANCE and
>    >    friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall
>    >    further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of 
>    >    peace.
> 
> Article 26 does not address the issue of freedom of speech. It describes
> the right to a basic education. The clause you cited above describes that
> education. Any application of that Article outside of the classroom would
> involve inferring something that the article was clearly not intended to
> imply (see discussion of Article 30, below). 
>
So when does education become restricted to the classroom only?
 
> And in your quote from Article 26, you left out section (3):
> 
> (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall
> be given to their children. 
>
So (3) can overide (2)? Is this your point?
 
>    > So where does that resolution become legally binding?
> 
>    Only if the country accepts (and signs) the UN human rights legistration.
>    New Zealand has. My point being that the UN is against it, which was a
>    point most failed to notice and continued with their emotional rant.  It
>    can only be enforced if that country agrees to keep it. The USA has not
>    done so, New Zealand has -- see the difference?
>    
> I believe that the U.S. was one of the original signers of the Universal
> Declaration of Human Rights, and so was the U.S.S.R. I haven't been able
> to find out for sure, but I did find the following on the UN's list of
> milestones (gopher://gopher.undp.org:70/00/un50/MILESTON.DOC)
> 
>    1948--General Assembly adopts Universal Declaration on Human Rights
without 
>    opposition.
> 
> It's a declaration, NOT legislation. The United Nations is not a sovereign
> power. Whatever legislation NZ passes is a strictly internal affair.
> 
>    > BTW, I assume the emphasis, here and below, is yours.
>    > 
>    >    Article 30
>    >    Nothing in this Declaration may ... perform any ACT aimed at the
>    >    destruction of any rights and freedoms set forth herein.
>    >    
>    > Obviously, something relevant was omitted, because the sentence as
>    > presented makes no sense. What does the ellipsis (...) represent?
>    >
>    The ellipsis means there was other stuff there, but being lazy, I couldn't
>    be bothered writing it out.  If you believe I am defrauding you, you are
>    welcome to read it for yourself.
> 
> I did. You did leave out the crucial sections of the article, the ones
> that give it meaning.
> 
>    ARTICLE 30. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for 
>    any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to  
>    perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms 
>    set forth herein.
> 
> In other words, no clause in the document can be interpreted as enabling
> others the right to invalidate any of the rights contained in it. It
> doesn't prohibit such actions--UN declarations generally don't prohibit
> much of anything--it just says that this document doesn't give that right.
> That's a fairly standard clause in a declaration of this type.
>
So I was defrauding you? 
 
> You left out a couple of other articles of the declaration, articles that
> New Zealand, if your interpretation is correct, is violating:
> 
>    ARTICLE 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and 
>    religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or
belief, and 
>    freedom either alone or in community with others and in public or
> private, to 
>    manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and
> obervance. 
> 
>    ARTICLE 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and
> expression; this 
>    right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, 
>    receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
regardless of 
>    frontiers. 
> 
> Article 30 states that nothing in the document implies the right to
> destroy the rights contained in the document. If the government of New
> Zealand is passing law based on the Declaration (which I doubt), and is
> extrapolating from the "education" section (Article 26) the right to ban
> racist materials (which you have not proven), it is using an implied
> imperative from Section 26 to deny an express right in Section 19, and
> hence disregarding the clarification in Article 30. 
>
Excuse me, education of tolerance is against freedom of speech.  Article
26:2 describes what is allowed to be taught.

> In other words, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights explicitly
> excludes the action that you say it requires. Even if it WERE legally
> binding on its signatories, no rational reading of the Declaration could
> lead to the conclusion that it requires the banning of any publication on
> the grounds that it is "objectionable" due to racism, etc.
> 
>    > Fine. That's a statement of goals, resolves, and ideals. You have not
>    > demonstrated one word to indicate that the UN considers that document to
>    > be legally binding, nor that New Zealand considers itself bound by same.
>    > 
>    > In other words, the whole UN argument is utterly irrelevant.
> 
>    Not at all. If you read the book you will notice that they were active in
>    the above.
>     
> I thought that the whole point of your quote was to bolster your argument.
> Evidently not. As a general rule, if you quote a book and have to follow
> that quot up with "if you read the book...", then you haven't quoted
> effectively. 
> 
>    98. Seizure of objectionable publications -- (1) Subject to subsection (2)
>    of this section, where an Inspector or a member of the Police, in the
>    course of carrying out his or her lawful duties, discovers any publication
>    that he or she believes, on reasonable grounds, to be objectionable, that
>    person may, without further authority than this section, seize that
>    publication
>    (2) Nothing in subsection(1) of this section applies to any publication
>    that is in the possession of any person in circumstances in which, by
>    virtue of subsection(4) or subsection(5) of section 121 of the Act, the
>    possession of that publication by that person is not an offence against
>    subsection(1) of that section,
>    
> It sounds like you may be overly broad in stating that possession or sale
> of objectionable works is strictly illegal--the section above limits
> police action to the curcumstances listed in section 121. From the above,
> I infer that Section 12, subsection (1) defines an offense. Subsections
> (4) and (5) apparently clarify that definition, probably by providing
> exceptions. I haven't seen that subsection, so I don't know what it
> entails. And getting my hands on the criminal code of New Zealand is far
> more effort than it's worth.
> 
>    113. Offences of strict liability relating to objectionable publications 
>    (2) Every person who commits an offence against subsection(1) of this
>    section is liable to a fine not exceeding,--
>       (a) In the case of an individual, $5,000:
>       (b) In the case of a body corporate, %15,000.
>    (3) It shall be no defence to a charge under subsection(1) of this section
>    that the defendant had no knowledge or no reasonable cause to believe that
>    the publication to which the charge relates was objectionable.
> 
> You list the maximum penalties and defenses explicitly disallowed, but you
> left out subsection (1). Both of the subsections above refer to subsection
> (1), which defines the offense, and was conveniently omitted. "Strict
> liability" is left undefined. This is unilluminating in the extreme.
> 
> Is your reading of the law that bad, or was the omission intentional?
> 
> The use of the phrase "strict liability" sounds like the act (whatever
> that may be) described in section 113, subsection (1) makes someone
> vulnerable to civil suit under undefined circumstances (found in section
> 121, subsections (1), (4), and (5)). I can't tell for sure.
>    
>    It is a crime in New Zealand to possess a copy of the Protocols of the
>    Learned Elders of Zion.
> 
> Maybe. Maybe not. You have omitted the sections of the law that could
> prove or disprove that contention.
>
I'll try to bring the document tomorrow.  Must have forgotten to insert
the appropriate sections.  
 
>    It is objectionable material, it discriminates according to ethnic or 
>    religious origins.
> 
> Sounds like it. But you have not proven that simple possession,
> publication, or distribution of objectionable material constitutes a
> criminal offense. 
> 
> I'm no expert on Kiwi jurisprudence, but it doesn't take a Ph.D. (or even
> a J.D. or an LL.D.) to know that the quotes thus far have omitted key
> sections of the act. Without those sections, the sections that have been
> quoted are not germane to the subject. You've made a strong case that the
> NZ government considers the "Protocols" objectionable. So do I. You have
> not made the case that posssessing pbjectionable materials constitutes a
> criminal offense.
> 
Would it be too hard to presume my listing of fines for objectionable
material suffices?  

Did not I include the seizure of public propertity and some of clauses it
entailed?

Colin.


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Message II.

>    Jeanne sent me a copy. One notes that in the diatribe you assure your
> readers completely countered my comments, you deliberately edited out
> alt.revisionism, thus preventing me from seeing it.

I don't post to or read alt.revisionism unless they come over to
alt.politics.nationalism.white or alt.politics.white-power.  
> 
> >>    I'm sorry, that's not good enough. If Phoenician artifacts were in Maori
> >> sites, this would be common knowledge among NZ academics. Please provide
> >> addresses I can *check* instead of vague hadwaving.
> 
Officially it is unrecognized.  I doubt whether it will ever become
acknowledged with the current form of government (one that bows before
minorities).  That is way I suggested you familiarise yourself with
pheonician artifacts (in this case dolls).  The artifacts are clearly non
maori. As stated before the Maori don't recognize them as their own.  The
one in New Plymouth is hearsay (I have only heard rumours). Then we must
also examine the statues on Easter Island, which have almost exclusively
denied to be polynesian.  So who made them? They do not  show polynesian
features.  The polynesian are known to be wood carvers not stone carvers
(some Cook Island, Samoan, and Tongan chiefs say they were once stone
carvers).  Since you will not believe what I say (and I cannot blame you)
you must do the research yourself, ie., take a field trip.

As stated before Barry Fell, mentions briefly the polynesian with the
phoenician in word connections.  He summarises that the polynesian
language is a mixture of two languages, one being asiatic the other
Pheonician.  Which would indicate a presence of Pheonicians before the
Maoris.  Perhaps the doll is not pheonician, but it definitely not Maori. 
No doubt the Morioris will try and claim it at some stage (like they are
currently doing with some Maori artifacts in Gisbourne).  Also note that
the Morioris claim once to be red haired.  

Colin.


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Message III

> >Did you ever discover the book "Odd man out"?  Please tell how many
> >academics know about this.  The cretin that did "New Zealand at War" was
> >ignorant of the book, until one of my friends told him about it.  Even
> >then he didn't make amends. 
> 
>    Pardon me, but please tell us what you claim this book says, who wrote it,
> his or her academic qualifications, and what relevance this has to your claim.
>  
I managed to find the book in the public library (well actually it was stolen). 
Odd Man Out:The Story of the Singapore Traitor
Author Elphick, Peter
Publisher Hodder and Stouton
Retails for $24.95 NZ

The relevance is that most academics are unaware of this book.  If you
class yourself as an academic (we can classify you as a nitpicker) you are
unaware for a start.  Books such as this are conviently forgotten or not
read.  Because they don't fit current dogma they are ignored.  This is my
point.  Your point was that if an artifact of phoenician origin was
discovered then it would be a great find.  My premise is the opposite, it
will be ignored and/or glossed over.  There has been other ambiguities in
the popular history books overlooked.  One such example is language.  They
are only prepared to go so far back (to prove their dogmas) but not any
further.

Colin.


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> : Exactly, that is why we all laugh at you Mike.
> 
>      C'mon, Colon, yer gonna have to come up with something better than
>      that if ya wanna play.
> 
>      Try REAL hard and come back when you have something funny, other than
>      your personal hygine.
> 
I don't have to try to hard for you Mike.  So far I rate you as the most
pathetic poster I have ever seen.  Lzaird scraps the bottom of the barrel,
however you are under the barrel. I normally only reply to you when I am
extremely bored.  You post the most dribble and useless flames ever to be
seen. My comment was sufficient for someone of your intellect and/or
maturity level. Perhaps you are on the crew with Jeanne to spend all
summer devising better ways to flame me?  Unfortunately for you, you would
need years.

Colin.


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> : Yes I do believe you are a masochist.
> 
> Nothing masochistic about having a good laugh at the loons.
> 
>  - Bearcat

I don't see how you can make that comment considering your current and
previous emotional outbursts and still be serious.  By your own
definitions from the past you define yourself as a loon.  That is way I
consider you to be masochistic.  While the ability to laugh at oneself is
admirable, there are limits.

Colin.


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> >  Why do you liberals bother replying and/or writing articles?
> >  This question has been perplexing me for a while.
> 
> I shall assume, since I missed your definition of "liberal", that
> your operational definition of "liberal" is one who is not a racist.
> Most would consider me a right-wing conservative, but we'll
> work with your language.
> 
> The reason, simply put, that what you call "liberals" reply to
> your posts is because:
> 
> 1. You're easy prey.  Racists, being universally either stupid or insane,
>      present arguments that are relatively easy to rebut.  Therefore,
>      you're good practice for debating skills without having to put TOO
>      much effort into the affair, sort of like Mike Tyson beating the hell
>      out of some sap in a sparring match.
> 
Then I must be different.  I seem to win almost all my arguments.  This is
not a very good reason.  Though I appreciate a more definite reply than
the other posters.

> 2.  Racism is a fundamentally abhorrent position.  With one notable 
>       exception, racists ARE racists because they themselves are 
>       failures, either in their professional or personal life, or both.
>       Unable to accept responsibility for their own failings, racists
>       project the blame onto faceless groups.  (The one exception
>       is those people who are not *really* racist, but who say and do
>       things consistent with racism because they are mentally
>       disturbed.)  The emotions that go into racism are entirely negative,
>       and therefore very destructive.  If allowed to fester on its own,
>       racism can be very destructive; the best tactic is to bring it
>       out into the light and destroy it with truth.  As evidenced by the
>       ruins Nazi Germany found itself in it 1945, racism can contribute
>       to the destruction of a nation.  It is the reponsibility of all decent
>       human beings to combat racism.  The best way to do that is to let
>       the racists blather their stupidities, and then squash their
>       arguments with truth.
>
Most civilizations start off as racist.  Normally highly associated with
patriotism.  The only reason racism is fundamentally abhorrent is that you
have been taught to believe so.  Again your supposition of not accepting
blame is misconceived.  I readily acknowledge my own faults, I do not pass
them onto others. Nor do I blame the Jews for what they do.  Jews are
Jews.  If I bring a cow inside my home what can I expect it to do?  The
same reasoning applies to other races.  If we bring them inside then they
will continue to behave as they also do.  The blame for the problem of
Jews and the other races is put squarely upon the shoulders of the white
race or more particular the men.  It is every generations responsibility
to provide for the future, so a blame on our forefathers is also
irrelevant.  While it would have been better if they did such and such,
they didn't and the responsibility falls to their progeny. Most of us
acknowledge this (some don't).  The main thrust is to correct the current
ills.  This means separation.
 
> I don't expect any of this to penetrate your skull, Colin, but you did ask.

You can save your derogatry comments for yourself, it lowers your worth
when such tactics are used.

I congragulate you in providing an answer.  While I do not agree with your
reasoning, I appreciate it.

Thanks,
Colin.


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Subject: Re: He who laughs last, laughs ...
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> >  It is a crime in New Zealand to possess a copy of the Protocols of the
> >  Learned Elders of Zion.  It is objectionable material, it discriminates
> >  according to ethnic or religious origins.
> 
> Can you provide us with some case studies of people actually being
> arrested for possessing it, or having their copies taken from them?
> For all the laws you quoted, you did not actually provide any evidence
> that the New Zealand courts have ruled them to apply to the Protocols,
> which, being fiction in any case, might not apply.

No arrests have been made for the possession of the Protocols (at least to
my knowledge).  A few policemen have gone through shops that sell
conspiracy type books.  That is about it (the conspiracy type bookshops
have long since removed the Protocols from sale).

The law 200-1 has only been enforced a few times since its inception. 
Mainly due to the fact the police are too busy doing other activities.

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jun 29 06:01:19 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: "This is a Negro-free workplace!" (was: Excrementum vincit
Date: 27 Jun 1995 20:12:20 GMT
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> : > The international bankers? Why, those who are controlled by those who 
> : > actually control the international means of production--the Japanese, 
> : > US, British, German, English, and other ruling classes. 
> 
> : To whom do the countries owe debts?
> 
> They don't all owe money to Israel, my friend. And, most banks are
> neither Jewish-run nor Israeli-based. They, like capital itself, are
> increasingly international. They mirror the means of production within
> which they operate. There's nothing racial about it, unless you want to
> talk about the North (the white and asian world) versus the South (the
> black and brown world).

I was not talking about retail banks.
> : > 
> : > : Who prints the money in the first place?  Who owns the shares in the
> : > : wholesale banks (Bank of England, Federal Reserve, Reserve Bank of NZ
> : > : etc)?
> : > 
> : > It's not who prints the money; it's who controls the printing, the 
> : > distribution, and the economy upon which it rests. As well as the mindset
> : > upon which it rests....
> 
> : Conclusions?  Yes I realize the wholesale banks don't print the money,
> : that is why I called them wholesale for.  Does the government control the
> : printing?
> 
> In this country's case, yes. But then, despite what "The Spotlight" says,
> this country's government is run by big business, not by an international
> cabal of insidious one-worlders.

So you have seen the shareholders list then (on the wholesale banks) and
conclude that the government is the only (or biggest) shareholder?

You had better do some research on whether the government controls the
printing or not.  The wholesale banks get the last say so on the affair. 
I cannot remember the Senator's name from the 1930s who tried to get the
wholesale banks to print more money ($4 billion), of course they ignored
him...

It is also reasonably well known that recession and depression are
wholesale bank controlled.  Various economic texts on the 20th century
will readily confirm this.

> : > 
> : > : Since they own the gold they make the rules.  If the rules fail then it
> : > : must be the rulemakers fault, and of course their "toadies" that support
> : > : them (neither side likes traitors). 
> : > 
> : > So, what do we have? The international imperialist bourgeoisie, multi-
> : > racial, multi-ethnic, multi-religious.
> : > 
> : > Sure some are Jews. Some are Japanese practitioners of Shinto as well. Or
> : > has the entire Japanese ruling class really been implanted by the dreaded
> : > conspiracy, complete with full body-makeovers to hide the hooked noses
> : > and the rest of the tell-tale signs?
> : > 
> : And?
> 
> And read Marx and something else despite the musty old 1930s German texts
> and reprints of Henry Ford manuscripts that you seem so assiduously addicted
> to.
> 
I assume you mean Marx who's father was a Rabbi (or was it grandfather)? 
Also how would Henry Ford become big if he had no economic sense?

Colin.


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> : You must be joking? Anybody prepared to do some work knows that what he
> : said was out of context, and some of the things he quoted are still funny
> : by themselves. How could I be offended by such lackwit tactics?
> 
>      It musta hits something sensitive, judging by your knee-jerk reaction.
> 
Not really.  The quotations were funnier in their contexts.  That is what
annoyed me.  Still two of them retained some semblence to the context of
the message. 
  
> Mike "Is this another racist 'ignoring' me?" Beebe

I normally try too.  You are rather boring. 

Could you please try and explain why jewish = shit was so horrifying.  Is
American humour that redundant? 

Colin.


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> : You must be joking? Anybody prepared to do some work knows that what he
> : said was out of context, and some of the things he quoted are still funny
> : by themselves. How could I be offended by such lackwit tactics?
> 
>      It musta hits something sensitive, judging by your knee-jerk reaction.
> 
Not really.  The quotations were funnier in their contexts.  That is what
annoyed me.  Still two of them retained some semblence to the context of
the message. 
  
> Mike "Is this another racist 'ignoring' me?" Beebe

I normally try too.  You are rather boring. 

Could you please try and explain why jewish = shit was so horrifying.  Is
American humour that redundant? 

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Thu Jun 29 15:55:57 PDT 1995
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From: cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz (McKinstry)
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Subject: Re: He who laughs last, laughs ...
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>    Can you provide us with some case studies of people actually being
>    arrested for possessing it, or having their copies taken from them?
>    For all the laws you quoted, you did not actually provide any evidence
>    that the New Zealand courts have ruled them to apply to the Protocols,
>    which, being fiction in any case, might not apply.

Read the reply to Rick Jone's comment.
> 
> In all due modesty, I'll refer to my last post in this thread, in which I
> actually looked at Colin's quotes in some depth. The lights are on, but
> nobody's home. There is nothing there to support Colin's assertion. It is
> possible that the law does prohibit owning, publishing, distributing, or
> owning the Protocols. 
> 
> It's possible that Colin posted largely irrelevant sections of the law,
> hoping that no one would be well enough versed in legal language to
> recognize that his quotes were nothing but a distraction, and didn't
> address the issue. On the other hand, it is possible that Colin can't read
> the law, and that he accidentally omitted all of the relevant sections of
> code. 
> 
Its almost impossible to quote small pieces of law.  It contains that much
verbatim.  There is also one easily known way to escape law enforcement on
the issue and that is claiming it is for educational purposes (this
applies to individuals not retail outlets). 

There were two categories for objectionable material.  One was
objectionable out right, the other had restrictions (like the censor
rating of a film).  As stated  the protocols are classed as objectionable
to ethnic and religion standards.  I did not quote the laws for
restrictions on objectionable material mainly due to the fact that it did
not apply to the book at hand.  

> Guess where I'm placing my bets.
> 
> One key question--why is the reference to a "bill" and not an "act"? In
> the U.S., a "bill" is a proposal before the legislature, which has not yet
> become law. Does the word have different connotations in NZ jurisprudence
> (a possibility I'll admit)?
> 
> Once again, I'm crossposting to nz.politics, hoping for input on the
> Films, Videos, and Publications Classification Bill (No. 200-1). If anyone
> in that group has an objection to this crosspost, please e-mail me, and
> I'll redirect. It seems relevant to me.
> 
> Just for clarity--It's only been about 21 hours since I posted the
> above-mentioned post. I'm not accusing Colin of ducking that post...yet.
> I'm just restating the case, since that last post was a little lengthy,
> which may prompt many to ignore it altogether.

I normally have Tuesday (Monday) off.  Same with the weekends.  Any
posting on those days will naturally be "ducked".  I will be increasing
the amount of time off the net mainly due to boredom.  

Colin.


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> : You must be joking? Anybody prepared to do some work knows that what he
> : said was out of context, and some of the things he quoted are still funny
> : by themselves. How could I be offended by such lackwit tactics?
> 
>      It musta hits something sensitive, judging by your knee-jerk reaction.
> 
Not really.  The quotations were funnier in their contexts.  That is what
annoyed me.  Still two of them retained some semblence to the context of
the message. 
  
> Mike "Is this another racist 'ignoring' me?" Beebe

I normally try too.  You are rather boring. 

Could you please try and explain why jewish = shit was so horrifying.  Is
American humour that redundant? 

Colin.


From cmck02@cs.auckland.ac.nz Fri Jun 30 15:13:42 PDT 1995
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> >>    I'm sorry, that's not good enough. If Phoenician artifacts were in Maori
> >> sites, this would be common knowledge among NZ academics. Please provide
> >> addresses I can *check* instead of vague hadwaving.
> 
> >Officially it is unrecognized.
> 
>    Uh-huh.
> 
> >I doubt whether it will ever become acknowledged with the current form of 
> >government (one that bows before minorities).
> 
>    *BINGO*.
> 
>    "I have this racial theory which every academic thinks is rubbish, but I
> know I'm right, and I know they're just saying that due to Other Races
> controlling the government."
> 
So you say. Unlike you I am quite prepared to float ideas. The other races
play an enormous role on the government.  If something offends them it
gets legistrated out.

> >The one in New Plymouth is hearsay (I have only heard rumours). 
> 
>    In other words, you don't even know if there is any evidence at all,
> do you Colin ?
> 
I mentioned two spots.

    And you haven't given the quotes in Fell's books supporting this pet
> theory of yours because you can't, can you Colin ?
>
 All you do is nitpick.  Have you ever contributed anything Tony?
I will look up America B.C and get you your petty quotes.

> >As stated before Barry Fell, mentions briefly the polynesian with the
> >phoenician in word connections.  He summarises that the polynesian
> >language is a mixture of two languages, one being asiatic the other
> >Pheonician.
> 
>    Ah, no, actually you *didn't* state that before. Please quote the text 
> with the chapter and book indicated, Colin.
> 
Perhaps not to you Tony. Tony how would know whether I quote something
that I didn't make it up? I'd doubt you would look up the references
anyway.  People like you just like to hear the sound of their own voice. 

Colin.


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> >>    Pardon me, but please tell us what you claim this book says, who wrote
> >> it, his or her academic qualifications, and what relevance this has to 
> >> your claim.
> 
> >I managed to find the book in the public library (well actually it was 
> >stolen). 
> >Odd Man Out:The Story of the Singapore Traitor
> >Author Elphick, Peter
> >Publisher Hodder and Stouton
> >Retails for $24.95 NZ
> 
> >The relevance is that most academics are unaware of this book.
> 
>    Yes, I'm pretty sure the academic community in New Zealand which might
> be able to confirm a claim that Phoenician artifacts were found here *are*
> unaware of this book. I also imagine that most of them are unaware of
> Howard Coyle's "The Ten Thousand" which I've just finished reading.
> 
>    So your entire claim to being right is based on the idea that there
> is a conspiracy of academics forcing their government-mandated dogma
> on everyone, whereas you know the truth due to a hearsay rumor you once
> heard ?
> 
I never said there was a conspiracy among academics.  Somethings pay
somethings don't. Almost all your mainstream textbooks are aligned with
the current propaganda.  Take for instance Richard I and John.  Who is
better than the other depends on history of the historians (it changes
with time). 

Books that are not formally recognized are unlikely to sell. No publisher
will touch it. 

Academics need to eat. 

Colin.


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> >> Ignorant of reality? This coming from the guy that refused to believe 
> >> that blood transfusions between whites and blacks were possible?
> >Did you ever read the end of the thread?
> 
> Yeah, interesting trek through your psyche... 
> 
> >Did you realize that I had both Young Ho and joan over a barrel? The
> >problem with these newsgroups is that when the going gets tough, you can
> >simply walk out (which they both did).
> 
> Uh yeah, Colin...sure.
> 
> >For the record I never said it was impossible for blacks and whites to
> >have blood transfusions.  What I said was that it shouldn't happen because
> >of the side effects.  Which is a lot different from what you said.
> 
> Oh this is either the CRAZIEST thing ever posted, or a grade z 
> Troll...dare I ask?  Yep... What, Colin, are the side-effects?
> 

> http://www.io.org/~lzaird                                       lzaird@io.org

Were you bored when you wrote this lzaird?

Colin.


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> The gentleman calling himself "Colin" responds to my offer to obtain his
> precious book:
> 
> >Oh, it's a criminal offense in New Zealand to possess a copy of the
> >Protocols.  So why would I want to get one?
> 
> Figures...
> 
> He was the person saying it was unobtainable, yet proof has been rendered
> that it can be found in the United States, Mexico, Germany and Russia (to
> name but a few).  It is a pity that the gentleman cannot remember why this
> information was posted to begin with.
> 
One more time. New Zealand, New Zealand. Note New Zealand. Does my
paragraph mention New Zealand? Do I mention United States, Mexico, Germany
and Russia?

People complain about my grammar.  How is your reading comprehension?

Colin.


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> > >>    I'm sorry, that's not good enough. If Phoenician artifacts were
in Maori
> > >> sites, this would be common knowledge among NZ academics. Please provide
> > >> addresses I can *check* instead of vague hadwaving.
> > 
I'll continue to disagree with your high minded view of academics.  In the
process of locating the name of an English Archeologist who surveyed
various Maori sites around the North island of New Zealand (he did not
venture to the South Island).  He gave some seminars on the subject.  

Colin.



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