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From: wmcguire@cybercom.net (Wayne McGuire)
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Tim Watson  wrote:

>Lyons has misled you.  He has been touting the Clintons in his weekly column 
>in the ADG for the past four years, and attacks viciously every single 
>Clinton critic.  His column is so fevered in its love of everything Clinton 
>and its hatred of his critics that it's mostly taken as a joke, as evidenced 
>by letters to the editor of the ADG.  This is not to say that there aren't 
>journalists in Arkansas who believe that all the criticism of the Clintons is 
>the result of a Republican plot against the state of Arkansas, as absurd as 
>that sounds to most Arkansans - I'm simply saying that Lyons' mania goes far 
>beyond a defense of Arkansas.
>
>Lyons "creates" evidence, which he then uses to "disprove" evidence of 
>Clinton corruption....
>
>I don't pretent to understand what motivates Lyons, but I do understand that 
>he has written the most vituperative, out-of-breath diatribes against any and 
>all Clinton critics, weekly, for four years, and I know that almost all of 
>what he says in these panting assaults on reality is in conflict with the 
>public record.  But I guess it's a tribute to a great newspaper - the 
>Arkansas Democrat-Gazette - that it sees to it that Lyons' point of view is 
>published statewide in Arkansas, for all to read (although I have accused the 
>managing editor of the ADG of accepting money from Lyons to allow the latter 
>to have his silly column published).

Thanks for filling in the background on Gene
Lyons--it's helpful to know where he's coming from.

What is immediately obvious is that Lyons enjoys none
of Morris's stature as an author. That the New York
Review of Books would rely on someone like Lyons to try
to rebut Morris is a measure of the degree to which an
ideological agenda can destroy the judgement of a
usually smart publication.

It's fascinating that partisan propaganda robots like
Swopa immediately leap upon the supposed authority of
someone like Gene Lyons to dismiss Roger Morris as a
"liar" and "Partners in Power" as a "pack of lies."

Swopa and the other folks here touting Gene Lyons have
still failed to respond to repeated requests to provide
a list of the alleged "lies" in "Partners in Power" so
that Roger Morris might address these points, possibly
right here on the Internet.

And of course none of these ideological robots has made
the least progress in answering the dozens of critical
questions about Fostergate in Hugh Sprunt's "Citizen's
Independent Report."

After repeated promises to demolish the report, Swopa
seems to have dropped the subject altogether. She
hasn't been able to score a single valid point in the
Sprunt debate yet, and has been severely embarrassed by
Sprunt and others in round after round.

But will any of this matter in the short run? Not if
the big media continue to engage in their most shameful
performance in American history. The big media are
continuing to exert all their power and energy in
promoting the coverup and keeping a lid on Fostergate,
Filegate, Mena and all the other scandals surrounding
the Clinton Administration.

The big media in American are controlled by a handful
of potentates who share the same ideological agenda and
temperament as Swopa and "Richard Hanson."

The big media are clearly terrified that if any one of
these scandals is fully opened up--even the smallest
one--the whole house will come tumbling down, with
negative consequences on interests near and dear to the
hearts of the potentates.

The current behavior of the big media is so far out of
touch with decent journalistic standards and reality
that it may well be fostering the conditions for a
second American revolution. The effect of their
behavior is to destroy all respect among large sectors
of the population for the major institutions that now
govern America, including the federal government.

I don't think the people who are masterminding this
coverup have even begun to calculate all the
consequences of their actions. They are doing deep and
permanent damage to the basic American social contract.

All of the people who have joined in the coverup
campaign are in the long run going to be as proud of
themselves as those Americans who passionately
supported Stalin and Stalinism in the thirties and
forties. Perhaps they will be able to plead temporary
insanity when all the truth inevitably tumbles out.

--
Wayne McGuire
wmcguire@cybercom.net
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


From wmcguire@cybercom.net Tue Sep 17 17:51:01 PDT 1996
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From: wmcguire@cybercom.net (Wayne McGuire)
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SwopaTwo@aol.com (Swopa) wrote:

>In article <51ev7r$1lu@pulm1.accessone.com>, rivero@accessone.com 
>(Michael Rivero) wrote: (excerpt)
>
>
>>   Where are the X-rays and photographs taken during Foster's autopsy.
>> Contrary to Swopa's lies,
>
>I'll ask you again, Michael:  Could you post the "lies" you're talking about?
>Just go to DejaNews and get the post for us.

Why don't you do something more constructive and
interesting, Swopa: tell us where are the X-rays and
photographs. Where are they?
--
Wayne McGuire
wmcguire@cybercom.net
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


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From: wmcguire@cybercom.net (Wayne McGuire)
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SwopaTwo@aol.com (Swopa) wrote:

>And now Cockburn drops all pretense of objectivity.
>Thanks for trashing him in front of all of us, JQP.

Ah, according to Swopa, Roger Morris is liar and a
fool, Alexander Cockburn is a liar and a fool, in fact,
ANYONE who asks any hard questions about the Clinton
administration is a liar and a fool.

How could any halfway intelligent person allow him- or
herself get locked into such a ridiculous position?
Swopa's sole criterion for judging the merit of anyone
has been reduced to whether they support Bill and
Hillary Clinton.

If Bill and Hillary go under--which seems quite
likely--aren't you going to be left with no end of egg
on your face?

Does your world at any point extend beyond the
interests of two human beings, Bill and Hillary
Clinton? Do you have a life?

Even Republicans stopped offering blind loyalty to
Richard Nixon once some of the basic facts about
Watergate started tumbling out.

Democrats overall would appear to be a much more
ideological, fanatical and therefore dangerous breed
than Republicans, based on their respective responses
to two scandals: Watergate and the complex of scandals
falling under the header Whitewater.

Democrats who have decided blindly to support Bill and
Hillary Clinton no matter where the facts lead have set
themselves up for a terrible fall and embarrassment.

--
Wayne McGuire
wmcguire@cybercom.net
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


From wmcguire@cybercom.net Wed Sep 18 16:25:08 PDT 1996
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From: wmcguire@cybercom.net (Wayne McGuire)
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rivero@accessone.com (Michael Rivero) wrote:

> In article ,
> Swopa  wrote:
> >In article <51hmu6$h4j@pulm1.accessone.com>, rivero@accessone.com 
> >(Michael Rivero) wrote:
> >
> >>  In article ,
> >>  Swopa  wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >> 6. A park police officer testified that the doctor who performed
> >>  >> the autopsy told him Xrays showed no bullet fragments in the
> >>  >> skull, and the doctor checked a box reading "X-rays taken: yes." 
> >>  >> However, no X-rays have been found, and the doctor now denies
> >>  >> taking any X-rays.
> >>  >
> >>  >The Report of Autopsy included in the Fiske Report shows the box
> >>  >for X-rays as unchecked.  What form are you referring to?
> >>   
> >>   On page 7 of the Report of Autopsy, the boxes for X-rays AND photographs
> >> are checked, right above Dr. Bayer's signature. Those checks do exist,
> >> and anyone with a copy of the report (available at my website at
> >> http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/AUTOPSY/autopsy.html)
> >> can verify that those checks DO exist.
> >
> >But on page 2 of the Report of Autopsy, there is a box labeled "X-Rays"
> >that is NOT checked (as you acknowledge below, although you're too
> >weaselly to admit it says "X-Rays").  I saw this and asked where Steven
> >Findeiss was getting his information -- a perfectly honest question.
> 
>  And, if you had actually read the Autopsy report, you would have known the
>answer. Page 7.
>
>  But you didn't. 
>
>  That's what I take issue with, that you're out here insisting that Vincent 
>Foster commited suicide, and you haven't even read the official record.
>The boxes for X-rays and photos on page 7 are _larger_ and far more
>prominant than those on page two. It's hard to imagine anyone could miss
>them if they looked at the page at all.  But, somehow, they escaped your notice.
>
>  If you were legitmately interested in finding out the truth, you would
>do what all the other investigators have done, which is to start by reading
>all of the official records from cover to cover. But your "honest question"
>proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you haven't. You  haven't even bothered
>to read an 8 page autopsy report (and it even has pictures to help). 
>
>  Would you operate on a sick patient without first studying medicine? No.
>The patient would likely die.

In this case, the sick patient is the American body
politic, and Swopa is among an army of zealots who seem
to be determined to drive the last nail in its coffin.

This exchange better than any other reveals Swopa's
methods and agenda. No wonder she was repeatedly
embarrassed in her feeble efforts to critique the
"Citizen's Independent Report" and debate Hugh Sprunt.
Like Mike Wallace, she has failed to master the basic
facts of the case.

Keep in mind that Swopa is the very best that the
Clinton camp and the American government in general has
been able to come up with on the entire Internet to
defend the official report on Fostergate. The effort
>from  that side has been truly laughable.

Fostergate is still a gigantic scandal that is waiting
to explode. The cover will probably stick for as long
as all the major media and both major political parties
continue to participate in the coverup.

--
Wayne McGuire
wmcguire@cybercom.net
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


From wmcguire@cybercom.net Sat Sep 21 11:00:25 PDT 1996
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From: wmcguire@cybercom.net (Wayne McGuire)
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Subject: The Big Media and Foster's Forged Suicide Note
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Why haven't any of the major media--The New York Times,
The Washington Post and the rest--hired document and
handwriting experts to authenticate Vince Foster's
suicide note?

If the major media are confident that the note is
authentic, then why don't they authenticate the note
and publicize the results?

Why do the big media regard the Joe Klein nonsense to
be more important than a world class scandal that may
well have involved the murder of a top White House
official, and the coverup of that murder?

Why are defenders of the Clinton Administration reduced
to the absurd position of claiming that Reginal Alton
is not a handwriting expert?

There is a simple and obvious answer to all these
questions: the note was indeed forged, and the fact
that it was forged strongly indicates that there was a
major conspiracy behind the death of Vince Foster.

The big media are unable to assemble a convincing
consensus of experts to authenticate the note.

The White House official who probably knows the most
about this conspiracy is Bernard Nussbaum, but the big
media have shown not the least interest in putting
pressure on him to get at the truth.

Martin McPhillips  wrote:

>Don't ya just love it when Dick! lies through his
>teeth.
>
>Subject:      Re: Dick! Takes a Holiday, #1
>From:         area51@ix.netcom.com (RH)
>Date:         1996/09/18
>Newsgroups:   alt.current-Events.clinton.whitewater
>
>
>Martin McPhillips  wrote:
>
>>
>>It was the Bradley Foundation, of course, or was it Richard
>>Scaife this time, who managed to get an Oxford don with
>>an internationally solid reputation as a handwriting expert,
>>Reginald Alton, to come to the conclusion that the supposed
>>"suicide" note of Vince Foster, found torn up in his briefcase,
>>on the third search, was a poor forgery.
>
>RH wrote, in response:
><particular expert [who is in fact, not an expert]
>
>Nice going, martin.  It's always fun to see you castrate your own
>arguments.
>
>RH>>
>
>Not an expert, you say?
>
>That's a pretty funny statement, even coming from you, Dick!
>
>You are referring to Reginald Alton. His qualifications as
>an expert are broad, deep, unquestionable, and they are:
>---
>R. E. Alton 
>
>Reginald E. Alton is a world-recognized expert on handwriting 
>examination and manuscript authentication.  He has 30 years 
>experience in the field of forensic document examination, and has
>lectured during this period at Oxford University on handwriting
>and manuscripts, including the detection of forgery and the
>identification of handwriting to Doctoral and research students
>in the University of Oxford.  In recent years he ruled on charges
>that some of the manuscripts of the late C.S. Lewis were a forgery. 
>He validated their authenticity.  He has ruled on numerous
>questioned documents and manuscripts, including such noteworthy historical
>figures as Donne, Shelley, Christina Rossetti, to modern day
>authors as Oscar Wilde.  He has been consulted by civil bodies
>and by British police authorities and has testified as an expert
>witness in British courts on criminal matters relating to 
>questioned documents, and has been consulted on anonymous letters
>and other forgeries. 
>
>Mr. Alton, M.C., M.A., is an Emeritus Fellow of St Edmund Hall, 
>University of Oxford, and is currently Dean of Degrees at St 
>Edmund Hall, Oxford's oldest institution for undergraduates. 
>He was Fellow, Tutor and Vice-Principal of St. Edmund Hall and 
>has served as Chairman of the English faculty, as well as
>lecturer at Pembroke, Jesus and Exeter Colleges in the Univesity of
>Oxford. 

--
Wayne McGuire
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http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


From wmcguire@cybercom.net Sun Sep 22 08:20:31 PDT 1996
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wdmann@ix.netcom.com (Wayne Mann) wrote:

>	Other than one small mention in the last paragraph of an
>article that was about something else, and carried by
>Reuters, I am not aware of a single media that carried the
>story, and in most cases they did not even carry the reuters
>article.  I am not aware of a single network mentioning the
>story.  I would guess that 99+ percent of the public do not
>know about the handwriting reports of the forgery.  If
>anyone gets to ask any media people about it, the answer is
>always, "Well I don't know much about that, but it was fully
>covered in the media." and when you ask them to look into
>it, "Oh, I don't have the time."

Up until the report about Foster's forged suicide note
(which appeared, as I recall, as a brief article in The
Boston Globe), I dismissed the entire "Whitewater"
scandal as a tempest in a teapot.

Then I came across a copy of Jim Norman's censored
Forbes article on the Internet, and my suspicions and
concerns increased.

Now we have a situation in which not a single big media
outlet is willing to address the issue of the forgery
in an honest and open way. Why won't they simply
authenticate the note by relying of a panel of widely
respected experts? Why not put the issue to rest?

But they won't, and apparently they can't. If the
suicide note was forged--and almost certainly it
was--we are looking at a scandal in the Clinton
administration that far exceeds in seriousness anything
that occurred in the Nixon administration.

Look at the dishonest way in which Swopa and other
robotic Clinton administration defenders have attempted
to answer the key questions in Hugh Sprunt's "Citizen's
Independent Report."

What further proof does one need that something
exceedingly strange has been going on in the White
House in the last few years?

The bad aroma around the Foster case continues to
intensify with each passing month. It is quite likely
that the "Whitewater" investigation, as narrowly
conceived by Al D'Amato, was an effort to divert public
attention away from Fostergate. Vince Foster is at the
white hot center of the Clinton scandals.

--
Wayne McGuire
wmcguire@cybercom.net
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


From wmcguire@cybercom.net Fri Sep 27 10:32:48 PDT 1996
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From: wmcguire@cybercom.net (Wayne McGuire)
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Subject: Gary Aldrich on Vince Foster
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hughie2u@aol.com (Hughie2U) wrote:

>Allan Prell Show
>WBAL - Baltimore
>September 25, 1996
>Host : Brian Wilson substituting for Allan Prell
>Guest: Gary Aldrich - author UNLIMITED ACCESS

> 

>ALDRICH: Well all I'd like to do is make the point that some people are
>absolutely fixated on the Foster death.  I am not one of those people.  My
>agenda is much much wider and broader than that, in terms of the book that
>I wrote.  People have become experts on the Foster death.  Good.  I'm
>glad.  They want to bring me into that and make me an expert on the Foster
>death.  I do not want to become one of those people.
>
>PATRICK:  Well you did write a chapter called the "Unraveling of Vincent
>Foster". That would make you someone who is weighing in on the topic.
>
>ALDRICH:  Well I did weigh in on the topic but I'm not going to spend the
>rest of my life looking into the different theories and various evidence
>related to the Foster death.

Good lord, Aldrich does seem to be rather shallow and
not be able to see the forest for the trees.

A good deal of evidence strongly points to the fact
that Vince Foster was murdered. Multiple independent
sources have claimed that Foster was murdered because
he had been spying on the U.S. for a foreign government
(Israel to be exact), and that his spying had been
discovered by elements within the American intelligence
community.

The fact that Israel is famous for dressing up murders
to look like suicides does little to dampen one's
suspicions about the circumstantial evidence currently
on the table concerning Foster's death.

The Foster scandal could be the tip of a very large
iceberg indeed, involving a large network of other
conspirators. It is quite likely that we will discover
that Filegate and Fostergate are intimately entwined.

The murder of a high government official, and the
coverup of that murder by the big media, is as big a
scandal as one can find. It dwarfs the various
financial shenanigans in Arkansas that Al D'Amato and
others have been so frantic to divert American
attention towards. The very term "Whitewater" is a
propaganda trick to try to get American public
attention focused on the trivial and turned away from
the truly substantive scandals in the Clinton
administration.

The last American high government official to be
murdered was John F. Kennedy. The controversy about his
death continues to his day. The Foster controversy is
not going to go away, and will probably intensify. An
excellent opportunity still exists to solve this case
and bring the truth to light. Apparently Gary Aldrich
is going to be no help whatever in this project.

--
Wayne McGuire
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


From wmcguire@cybercom.net Fri Sep 27 17:39:03 PDT 1996
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Randolph Langley  wrote:

>That's certainly an interesting take. Ken Starr's investigation of
>Foster is still *open*, yet the press blithely ignores the questions
>around this death of a high government official --- saving its
>collective energy to track down the author of a book.
>
>Had they spent one tenth the money on the Foster investigation that
>they spent on uncovering Joe Klein, they could have easily hired
>handwriting experts themselves to verify the note. Remember, this is a
>note that showed up in highly questionable circumstances, and is by no
>stretch of the imagination what one would expect in a suicide
>note. Yet the natural curiosity that one would expect of the fourth
>estate seems quite suppressed in this case. Three prominent experts
>have found the note to be forged, yet they ignore this damning
>fact. The investigation is still open, yet they ignore it.
>
>Why?

If you wanted to select the most potent question that
could be asked among all the questions raised by the
various Clinton scandals, this is it:

Why haven't the major media authenticated Vince
Foster's "suicide" note?

Their refusal to undertake this project speaks volumes.

The best answer that "Richard Hanson" could come up
with is that the big media don't want to coddle
Konspiracy Kultists.

But the experts who declared Foster's note to be a
forgery are anything but conspiracy nuts: they are
recognized authorities in their field.

Their report on Foster's note was far more detailed and
authoritative than the FBI's flimsy effort.

Swopa, of course, won't answer the question at all.

The strongest evidence that a major cover-up is
underway of a conspiratorial scandal is that the big
media are afraid to do the obvious thing: authenticate
the note and lay the controversy to rest. They are
desperately hoping that the controversy will blow over
without sufficient pressure being applied to get to the
bottom of the affair.

--
Wayne McGuire
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


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mslu@ix.netcom.com(Lucile V. Wilson) wrote:

>Stay in the news as long as you can Gary Aldrich because this is your
>last gasp.  No one who is anyone believes your tripe.  
>Lucile

You didn't address the central question of the post:
why won't the national media authenticate Vince
Foster's suicide note and lay that particular
controversy to rest?

There is only one reasonable answer to explain their
behavior that I can think of: they can't authenticate
the note--it is indeed a forgery, just as has been
claimed by leading authorities who have studied it.

If they can't authenticate the note, it seems probable
that there has been a major criminal conspiracy--one
perhaps involving foreign espionage-- at or near the
top of the Clinton administration.

The behavior of the big media in refusing to
investigate many of the troubling questions about
Foster raises the issue of whether they are witting
co-conspirators in the various messes in which the
Clintons seem to have become entangled.

-----
Wayne McGuire
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


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Dan Thornsberry  wrote:

>WASHINGTON (Reuter) - The House ethics committee said Thursday 
>it had expanded the scope of a long-running investigation of charges 
>against House Speaker Newt Gingrich. 
>
>It said it had uncovered ``certain facts'' that merited further 
>inquiry, including whether Gingrich had provided ''reliable, accurate 
>and complete information'' about a course that he taught. 
>
>The development came as House Democrats kept up a drumbeat of demands 
>that the ethics committee release a report it received on the Gingrich 
>investigation last month. 
>
>Special counsel James Cole has been investigating whether the 
>financing by tax-deductible contributions of college courses Gingrich 
>taught in Georgia violated federal laws barring tax-exempt charities 
>from furthering partisan politics. 

Wow--this scandal really ranks in the same class as the
probable murder of a high-ranking American government
official--Vince Foster--and the cover-up of that
murder.

Or in the same class as Mena and government-sanctioned
drug running.

Or in the same class as Filegate and the pilfering and
abuse of sensitive FBI files.

Have the Democrats lost all sense of priorities and
proportion?

-----
Wayne McGuire
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


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msch19@mail.idt.net (Mike Schneider) wrote:

>In article <52fb9h$su0@pulm1.accessone.com>, rivero@accessone.com (Michael
>Rivero) wrote:
>
>>   It seems that someone, somewhere, is not happy with the discussions taking
>> place on the internet. 
>> 
>>   Certainly, many posters to alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater have 
>> reported the mysterious disappearence of their posts. Only last week, I
>> myself marveled at how several of my posts, in which I pointed out how a 
>> well known Clinton Supporter had lied about the 8 page Autopsy Report, simply
>> vanished soon after I posted it.

>   The censors are also removing posts promoting Libertarian candidate
>Harry Browne, especially if his name appears in the subject heading.
>Apparantly they fear that the internet audience is now so large that if
>30% of them vote for Browne (www poll results), it will comprise a large
>fraction of the electorate.

I was also targeted by the malicious cancelbot, by the
way, but oddly enough the cancelled messages appeared
in tech conferences, not in this newsgroup, to the best
of my knowledge. I wonder what's going on. Are the
attacks random or is there a pattern?

-----
Wayne McGuire
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


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"John Q. Public"  wrote:

>RH wrote:
>> 
>> Another dog and pony show compliments of Rupert Murdoch and Richard
>> Scaife, the twin pillars of the anti-Clinton industry.
>
>Neither Murdoch nor Scaife wiped Foster's fingerprints
>from the "note" (or is it an "outline" now?). Neither
>Murdoch nor Scaife tore the "note" into 27 pieces,
>losing the signature piece in the process. Neither
>Murdoch nor Scaife made the "note" invisible when
>the briefcase was examined.
>
>The "note" is a fake that was planted in the briefcase
>after having been torn up. 
>
>There is *one* handwriting identification expert who
>claims that Foster wrote the note; there are *four*
>who claim it is a forgery. There is no other evidence
>beyond the one expert's testimony to indicate that the
>"note" is genuine.
>
>The implications are staggering.

The implications are staggering enough to bring down
one or more governments and political establishments.
That is why we are presently seeing such relentless
pressure to cover up the scandal. From the big media
standpoint, none of the many legitimate and disturbing
questions that have been raised about Foster's death
exist. They are bending themselves grotesquely out of
shape to ignore the questions.

-----
Wayne McGuire
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


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I have received three answers so far to what I think is
the most salient question in the on-going cover-up of a
multitude of Clinton scandals:

Why won't the big media authenticate Vince Foster's
suicide note?

They took the trouble to study Joe Klein's writings,
which he tried to pass off under a pseudonym.

Why can't they take the trouble to lay to rest one of
the most troubling aspects of the Foster case? If they
are confident the note is authentic, wouldn't they be
eager to end the controversy on this point and deal a
crushing blow to the conspiracy theorists?

Here are the explanations that have been provided so
far:

1. "Richard Hanson": the big media don't want to give
credibility to Konspiracy Kultists.

2. "Swopa": I don't work for the big media. I don't
know. I don't care to speculate on the matter.

3. Ray Heizer: The Fiske Report said Foster committed
suicide. End of story. Pay no attention to Hugh
Sprunt's "Citizen's Independent Report," which details
the many weaknesses of the Fiske Report. Pay no
attention to the fact that even Kenneth Starr's office
considers the Foster case to be open.

If I have misrepresented the views of the three people
above, I trust they will correct me.

I find none of these answers to be convincing or
compelling.

The more reasonable explanation for the behavior of the
big media is that they can't authenticate the note, and
that it is indeed a forgery. A forgery fits nicely with
all the other peculiarities in the way in which the
note was handled.

The questions then arise: What interests are the big
media trying to protect? Who murdered Vince Foster and
why?

-----
Wayne McGuire
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


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Randolph Langley  wrote:

>Indeed. George Will was the one who administered the coup de grace to
>Gary Aldrich on the David Brinkley show. Whatever the merits of
>certain portions of Aldrich's book, overall, it is convincing --- and
>it is damning to the Clintonites. Will ignored all of that in order to
>criticize one small portion of the book; a portion that Aldrich
>had clearly labeled as not firsthand.

You know, there is a common bond that unites all the
Republicans who have been handling the Clinton scandals
with kid gloves, with both hands tied behind their
backs: an intense loyalty to the state of Israel and a
deep indebtedness to Israel's closest friends in the
U.S.

You often get the impression when attending to
D'Amato's career that he is more the representative of
the state of Israel than the state of New York. D'Amato
was the mover and shaker behind the recent bill
imposing economic sanctions on Israel's chief
enemy--Iran--which was greeted with derision and
contempt by all of America's allies.

Look into the backgrounds of Al D'Amato, George Will,
William Safire, Jack Kemp, Newt Gingrich and others,
and check out the wealth of Israeli connections. Newt
Gingrich's wife, for instance, has been employed by an
Israeli company (and probably still is).

If there is even a grain of truth in Jim Norman's
censored Forbes article about Israel's involvement with
Vince Foster and Hillary Clinton, this would help
explain their bizarre behavior, which runs in the face
of their obvious partisan interests as Republicans.
They might even go so far as to help cover up the
murder of a high American government official by the
Mossad.

This is a scenario that can neither be embraced nor
rejected until we understand better what led Jim Norman
to make the charges he did.

-----
Wayne McGuire
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area51@ix.netcom.com (RH) wrote:

>>But the experts who declared Foster's note to be a
>>forgery are anything but conspiracy nuts: they are
>>recognized authorities in their field.
>
>Unfortunately the only people recognizing the "authority" of these
>"experts" are the "experts" themselves.

Really? Support this statement with facts.
-----
Wayne McGuire
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


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To Ray Heizer:

Regarding my mistaken reading of your remarks about
Swopa and the Fiske Report: please accept my earnest
apologies, and I'll give myself a whack on the head.

I read your post with disbelief, since you had appeared
to do a 180 from your earlier remarks, but I completely
missed the irony.

It's good to know that you were being sarcastic. Thank
God your mind still is in fact working on all
cylinders.

We now have only two people who have attempted to
explain why the big media are afraid to try to
authenticate Vince Foster's "suicide" note: "Richard
Hanson" and Swopa. Their explanations are so weak and
or unbelievable on their face that I think they speak
for themselves.

The fact that the big media don't dare to try to put
out the flames of this aspect of the Clinton messes by
taking the obvious course--authenticating the note--is
the strongest proof in our possession that there is
something profoundly rotten and disturbing at the heart
of Fostergate and the current White House.

Cheers,

Wayne

-----
Wayne McGuire
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Dan Thornsberry  wrote:

>Wayne McGuire wrote:

>> Wow--this scandal really ranks in the same class as the
>> probable murder of a high-ranking American government
>> official--Vince Foster--and the cover-up of that
>> murder.
>> 
>> Or in the same class as Mena and government-sanctioned
>> drug running.
>> 
>> Or in the same class as Filegate and the pilfering and
>> abuse of sensitive FBI files.
>
>Which have all been investigated to death and proven
>to be nothing more than GOP hate mongering and 
>slander.

Filegate has been investigated to death? The
investigation has barely begun.

We might begin by asking who hired Craig Livingstone.
What's the answer?

Why did Bernard Nussbaum's office focus so heavily on
pilfering the files of the highest ranking national
security experts in the Bush administration?

The chief members of the White House staff with
knowledge of Filegate are now cowering in fear in
whatever hiding places they have secreted themselves.
Why are they so terrified of the investigative
committee if they have nothing to hide? Aren't they
eager to tell the truth and remove any suspicions about
their activities?

Filegate is just beginning--I would be quite surprised
if this scandal all by itself isn't enough to bring
down the Clinton administration.

-----
Wayne McGuire
http://www.cybercom.net/~wmcguire/


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(Billy Beck) wrote:

>SwopaTwo@aol.com (Swopa) wrote:
>
>>They know that I've asked you a long list of questions about your "silver gun"
>>theory (which is based on photos that do not accurately reflect the gun's color),
>>and that you slink away in silence whenever those questions are asked.
>
>	Crap, Swopa.  This is simply bullshit, and it is why I have no respect
>for you.

Swopa is also now trying to take the line that she
bested Hugh Sprunt in her debate about the Fiske
report. This is one funny lady, huh? You've got to
admire the brass, and the ability to endure endless
humiliations while coming back for more punishment.

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