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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Forensic Studies, Enemies of the Myth
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 21:44:41 -0500
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> 
> No need, Mr. Green. The Nizkor Project archives _all_
> alt.revisionism articles, so it will be readily available both in
> your archive, and in the alt.revisionism archive... the search
> engine will pick both up quickly.
> 
> ...and, of course, there will be a copy of Mr. Moran's original,
> in his archives.

Hey!  How come *I* don't have an archive?  Gee, if Moron gets one,
shouldn't I get one?  :-)

> Happy new year, old son :-)

Right back at ya!


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Gord McFee
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From: Gord McFee 
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Keith Morrison wrote:
> 
> Sammy Li wrote:
> 
> > --- Invictus
> >
> > =====
> > If history has taught us anything it is that history will be revised.
> > ---
> > Revisionists are sneaky bastards, always relying on facts and figures.
> 
> Oh, Maaaattt.  Pretending to be rational under another name won't
> work if you do something stupid like keeping the same .sig.
> 
> What a loser.

You don't suppose he's trying to be "rational" because his ass is in the
sling, and he is desperate, do you?  I wonder if Giwer has been in court
lately.

And yes, he is a *loser*.

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Gord McFee
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From gmcfee@ibm.net Fri Jan  3 07:41:40 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 21:25:37 -0500
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
> >
> >  >            It's anti-Semitic and you know it.  Coupled with your distribution of
> >  >   anti-Semitic poetry, it is pretty conclusive.
> >
> >  >      Nonsense.--rb
> >
> >  >            Sorry.  You are dead wrong and you know it.
> >
> >  >  I know you are but what am I?
> >
> >       A Jew hating bastard with a sewer mouth, a penchant for dishonesty
> >  that would make Richared Nixon blush, and an affection for a bunch of murderers.
> >
> 
> COMMENT:  That's it.  You lost the debate, and I am through debating it with an asshole,

I am sorry to say that *you* lost the debate, Mr. Blackmore.  Attempting
to claim that a word such as "kike" is not antisemitic just doesn't cut
it.  I am surprised you didn't simply admit you made a silly statement
and back out of it.  God knows I have had to do that.  It doesn't make
you less of a man BTW.


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Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Fri Jan  3 07:41:41 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Jewish Argumentation
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Bartholomew, Bishop of Exeter, wrote in his 12th century "Dialogue against the Jews":

Which has exactly what to do with "revisionism" or the Holocaust?


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Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Fri Jan  3 07:41:42 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: An honest interview
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Keith Morrison wrote:
> 
> Giwer the Name-Confused babbled:
> 
> >>         The US has at least one state with greater economic clout than
> > >> Canada.
> > >
> > >Yeah, and one of its major industries is controlled by Canadians.  So what?
> >
> >         Which one might that be?
> 
> Let's toss some names and see if you can guess:
> 
> Robert MacNeil, Peter Jennings, Lorne Micheals, James Cameron, Ivan Reitman,
> Donald Sutherland, Fay Wray, Margot Kidder, Megan Fellows, Norm MacDonald,
> Dan Akroyd, Keifer Sutherland, Helen Slater, Jack Warner and brothers,
> Mary Pickford, Shannon Tweed, Duncan Regahr, William Shatner, Lorne Greene,
> Jim Carrey, Alanis Morrisette, Bryan Adams, Rush, John Colicos, Kids in the
> Hall etc etc etc

Well, I guess it's not Holocaust denial.  :-)

> > And what do Canadaians have to do
> > with Canada other than claiming citizenship?
> 
> Well we do enjoy living in the UN rated best country in the world, we
> have a better (albeit imperfect) health care system then the cousins
> to the south, until that debacle in Somalia we were more respected
> internationally and we have less chance of getting shot if we ask
> someone for directions.

But other than that, it can get tough Keith, because some Americans are
very slow learners!  :-)


--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Fri Jan  3 09:09:47 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Ferdinand Lassalle on the Jews
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Ferdinand Lasselle, a Jew himself and a rival of Karl Marx, gives us
> his impressions of the race which bore him:

Which has absolutely what to do with the topic of "revisionism"?


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Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Fri Jan  3 12:30:30 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: For the Benefit of "Mr. Blackmore"
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To: Hilary Ostrov 

Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> 
> On 2 Jan 1997 22:54:38 GMT, in <5ahebe$9kb@juliana.sprynet.com>,
> rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >>   Gord McFee  writes:
> >
> >
> >>  Nice try, but facile as I said.  The word "kike" is a pejorative by
> >>  definition; it is independent of the user, and to say that you are not a
> >>  racist and therefore can use racist terms is sophistry at its best.  It
> >>  is this kind of hypocrisy and duplicity that ensure the denier argument
> >>  always loses.

> >>>>>COMMENT:  I must disagree.  Since you do not know me, you cannot
> >really state with certainty whether I am an anti-Semite or not; however, I tell
> >you that I am not.  [...]
> 
> Really, Mr. Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner - you should take the time
> to *read* before you *respond.*  Mr. McFee said _nothing_ about
> whether or not you are an anti-Semite!

Exactly.  He is a man of many names though.  };->

> But since you, yourself, have raised the issue ....
> 
> Perhaps you should have a little chat with your friend, Ehrlich.
> Disagree to your heart's content, by all means (and you are certainly
> proving yourself to be a very disagreeable person), but do not forget:
> 
>         "People are judged here not by their looks, their degrees,
> their publications, their wealth, or the whiteness of their teeth, but
> solely by the content of what they say." - Ehrlich 606, in
> <4m0ode$26a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> [May, 1996]

My heavens, what a brilliant statement by Mr. Ehrlich.  I am sure Mr.
Blackmore will read it *very* carefully.

[deleted]
 
> Feel free to stamp your little feet, wave your hands and protest as
> much as you like.  But do keep in mind -  whatever your nym of the day
> (or hour!) might be and regardless of whether you are in  one-liner mode> or  mode> -  you will continue to be judged "solely by the content" of
> what you say.

What a terrible fate for a denier.

Posted and e-mailed.


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Gord McFee
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From gmcfee@ibm.net Fri Jan  3 20:05:39 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Blackmore's obtuse Postings
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   Gord McFee  writes:
> 
> >  >
> >  > He doesn't need evidence! Blackmore just chooses NOT to believe this
> >  > witness because it interferes with his denial game. To hell with
> >  > substantiation and in this case the rule of legal testimony.
> >
> >  That's his game and that is the game all of them play.  It's the same
> >  approach that has them refuse the testimony of *every* witness, unless
> >  the witness happens to support the denier point of view.
> >
> >  Don't forget, Grese and every other SS person was tortured beyond words
> >  until they would say anything that the evil Allies wanted.  This
> >  happened both after and during the war.

> Comment:  I will simply state that I am not playing a game.  I will state
> that none of the defendants at the Belsen Trial were given a fair trial.  they
> were given the semblance of a fair trial.

And on what is this based?  Simply because you say so?

  I never implied that grese was tortured.
> Her testimony exonerates her in any event, looking at it today.  And the testimony
> of those who testified against her is revealed as being contrived and plain old
> perjury, to which murder must now be added, as their false testimonies led to the
> deaths of many innocent people.  When have any of you people ever acknowledged
> an obvious truth?  Very rare....rb

A cheap shot, Mr. Blackmore.  You dismiss evidence with a wave of your
hand, saying, "It is not acceptable because I don't believe it", and
then you ask when *we* have acknowledged an obvious truth?  Rings hollow
to me.


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Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


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To: Chuck Ferree 

Chuck Ferree wrote:
> 
> Chuck writes:
> 
> Gord,
> 
> Isn't his ass already sort of grassy? I wouldn't let my stallion eat
> there.

I am sure your stallion has better taste than to do that anyway.  :-)

> PS: I have a buddy in the CIA (I don't trust him anymore) but he could
> get us some new secret weapons.

Go for it.  Let's use the truth.  That'll knock Tavish and his master
Giwer on their butts.

> PISS: or however you do it: is the doc crock the same as the Matt
> turkey?

The Doc Tavish guy is just an ignorant cracker troll.  Giwer is Giwer,
one of life's great *losers*.
 
> I need a program to sort them all out.

Yeah.  It's the only weapon they have--hide behind phoney names.  BTW,
keep a supply of Malox around too.

Posted and e-mailed.



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Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Sat Jan  4 09:43:56 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: The Bad German "Gene"
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Michael P. Stein wrote:
 
> In article <5aij57$lnh@juliana.sprynet.com>,   wrote:

[deleted]

> >COMMENT:  My point is in reply to Goldhagen, who, unless I am mistaken,
> >referred to a Bad gene in germans which made the Holocaust possible.
> 
>     Ah, thank you.  From everything I have read, you are very mistaken.
> Although to be fair, I suppose I should mention that you would not be the
> only person to make that mistake.
> 
>     At the risk of being rude again, could you please tell us where you
> got the idea that Goldhagen said such a silly thing?

Of course, as you know Mike, and as everyone knows who has actually read
the book (which obviously does not include Mr. Blackmore), Professor
Goldhagen said no such thing.  As much as I disagree with some of his
conclusions, he cannot be accused of what Mr. Blackmore has said.

That being said, he does seem to imply that Germans were somehow better
"prepared" for the Holocaust than anyone else would have been (by their
history, their psychology, what he calls "eliminationist antisemitism",
and so on) and in my opinion at least, he does not explain why that
applies to Germans more than anyone else and why it does not apply to so
many of their collaborators.  But he was writing a thesis and trying to
prove, not disprove, his point.  Interesting, but a topic for a
different forum perhaps.

Whatever one says about Goldhagen, it must be accepted that he has made
a major and important contribution to Holocaust studies in general and
understanding of the perpetrators in particular.


--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


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From: Gord McFee 
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Final Conflict wrote:
> 
> Ken Lewis wrote:

[deleted]

> > Sorry, Doc, nice try. But _do_ keep up the effort. Trash like you are the
> > best thing that ever happened to revisionism.
> 
> The problem with you Ken Lewis is that you don't show respect where
> it's due. The Doc may not be to your liking, but more and more students
> are taking a revisionist line - and to do so in this society where the
> Holohoax is a Holy Cow worth many billions of shekels in reparations, is
> a mighty fine thing to do.

I would be interested to know your source for "more and more students
... taking a revisionist [sic] line".  The truth is that less and less
people are sucked in by the "revisionist" spew which has seen its heyday
and is in decline.  Of course, there are still a few of life's losers
around who have nothing else to do.

> So go and find something better to do than attack old Doc.

Old "Doc" is an antisemitic cracker troll.  Yes, I agree--attacking him,
hell, acknowledging his existence--is a waste of time.

> If you've ever read the Talmud or the Protocols or even the Encyclapaedia
> Judaica then you might appreciate what we're up against, and exactly who
> you're defending.

"We" are defending the truth and opposing those who would murder their
fellow human beings and then lie about it.  And their disciples.

> Who?
> 
> The descendents of those who killed Jesus Christ - whom I should add,
> the Talmud says is boiling in excrement in Hell. How's that for
> reverence?

The Talmud says the Romans are boiling in excrement in Hell?

And God, who must have permitted it to happen and willed it to happen by
his divinity, is also boiling in excrement in Hell?

> These 'people' deserve every malice heaped upon them. How the Germans
> showed restraint in only wanting to deport them shows great courage and
> tollerance. Just as Hitler orgainsed Jewish police in Jewish districts,
> allowed Zionists to freely organise in Germany and immediately put a stop
> to the spontaneous 'crystalnight' riots.

Horseshit.  There is not a single credible source you can cite for that
rubbish, except "Doc" Tavish, who I am beginning to expect you are.

> If you had lived under the Weimar Republic when people starved and had to
> scavange for coal to survive whilst the 'Zionists' lived the lives of
> Kings, then you might not be so quick to defend them.

Bullshit again.

> Maybe this will enlighten you, but I doubt it . . .

I am not sure enough light exists in the universe to penetrate the dense
and intense blackness that surrounds your brain.


--
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From gmcfee@ibm.net Sat Jan  4 14:08:41 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Blackmore's obtuse Postings
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>    Gord McFee  writes:
>   rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> 
>  Comment:  I will simply state that I am not playing a game.  I will state
>  that none of the defendants at the Belsen Trial were given a fair trial.  they
>  were given the semblance of a fair trial.
> 
>   And on what is this based?  Simply because you say so?
> 
> COMMENT:  Of course not.  it is based upon an educated opinion after I read the
> trial proceedings as well as researched the manner in which  Germans were
> usually treated after capture.--rb

Let's look at both of those elements.  "..after I read the trial
proceedings".  I note that you have not dealt with a great deal of
testimony from that trial posted verbatim by Mike Curtis.  You have
simply dismissed it, in one case saying, "I simply don't believe it" and
in another "Because I say so".  That hardly qualifies as an "educated
opinion" arrived at after doing anything, but rather sounds more like
the denier's trick of distorting until the absolute truth is posted for
everyone to see and then dismiss it with a wave of the hand.

"...researched the manner in which Germans were usually treated after
capture".  Your research in this respect has once again been nothing
more than you saying that they were always tortured and beaten and
forced into confessions.  You have supplied not a shred of evidence that
that was "usually" the case.  In fact, when testimony by both Hoess and
Eichmann is supplied that indicates they at least were not treated that
way, you once again simply dismiss it because it doesn't agree with your
position.  Hardly research.

[deleted]

>   A cheap shot, Mr. Blackmore.  You dismiss evidence with a wave of your
>   hand, saying, "It is not acceptable because I don't believe it", and
>   then you ask when *we* have acknowledged an obvious truth?  Rings hollow
> >  to me.
> 
> COMMENT:  In all truth, what "evidence" are you referring to?  I would most certainly
> admit of such evidence if any were to be found convincing...yet I  am not convinced.
> Why do you suppose that is?  I have read the transcripts and perused other material
> pertinent to the trial and the allegations.  I have not found any of the evidence you seem
> to be referring to.  This being the true state of affairs, I do not think it appropriate to remark
> that I am simply dismissing evidence "with a wave of my hand". Give me something I can
> work with.--rb

You have been given lots of information to deal with.  You simply refuse
to deal with it.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Sat Jan  4 14:08:47 PST 1997
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Keith Morrison wrote:
> 
> Troy Varange wrote:
> >
> > > It would be rather difficult to make a movie as bad as ID4.
> > > It is right up there with Plan Nine.
> >
> > Ed Wood was a better director than the overpriced yuppie who
> > made Independance Day.
> 
> Well, the director was also co-writer and since the movie made
> $600 000 000 before video release (and its still going) he and
> his partner must clearly know something you don't about being
> successful.

Keith, I think you will find that most people know things about being
successful that Skippy doesn't.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Sat Jan  4 15:59:38 PST 1997
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   Gord McFee  writes:
> 
> 
>   You blew it, Mr. Blackmore.  Eichmann *admitted* that he had made that
>   statement during his interrogations in Israel.
> 

> COMMENT:  I have never regarded the statements he allegedly made to the
> Israelis as evidence.

He also made the statement to a German co-worker, who was the first
person to repeat it to others.  But I suppose you will say that person
was tortured.  

BTW, his statement to the Israelis was made more than once, tape
recorded at least once and videotaped at least once as well.  But I
suppose he was tortured as well?  Is there anyone who has ever made a
statement supporting the historicity of the Holocaust who wasn't
tortured into saying it?

BTW, who tortured Goebbels and Hitler into making the statements they
made?  And Himmler?  And Heydrich?


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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 03 Jan 1997 17:35:34 +0000, Chuck Ferree 
> wrote in alt.revisionism:
> 
> >Chuck wonders some more:
> >
> >Is he or ain't he tha guy what play acted as a lil 13 year old
> >beauty-queen, on the make for lil natsie boys?
> 
>         No more than it makes for little jew boys.  Why is it you want
> to play this game?

Egads Matty!  You posted under your own name and it isn't a forgery. 
What an act of courage.  What a brave move on your part.  

Or, were you *told* to do it?  Hmmm......

BTW, you *lose* again.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Sat Jan  4 15:59:40 PST 1997
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To: Mike Curtis 

Mike Curtis wrote:
> 
> rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Now that the anti-Semitic denier has found two cases (without page
> number to the source), this has what connection to the Holocaust?
> Do you want to discuss witchcraft testimony and the psychology of 17th
> century paranoia or do you want to discuss what THIS newsgroup is most
> concerned with.

Mike, you have to understand that they have to discuss things that are
irrelevant to the fact of the Holocaust, since they are getting flayed
so badly on matters that *are* relevant to the fact of the Holocaust.

[rest deleted]


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From: Gord McFee 
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To: Sara aka Perrrfect 

Sara aka Perrrfect wrote:
> 
> In article <32c0532f.20134241@news.gte.net>, Matt Giwer (mgiwer@gte.net) a
> coward and a liar pretending to be nizkook@central.com wrote:
> 
> >         You folks have always said you wanted to read this sort of thing.
> > So here is a typical example of the email jews send.  Not to bother.
> > Hotwired.com has already been informed of this and the other dozen or
> > so copies of it.
> >
> [e-mail snipped]
> 
> I still see absolutley no proof that this e-mail was sent by a Jew.
> 
> Please provide the proof, Mr. Giwer.
> 
> >         These jews really are obnoxious, aren't they?  Note that it has to
> > be a jew as it has penis fixation.  That is a yid thing.
> 
> If it is a "yid" thing as you say, why are YOU the only person discussing
> it? It sounds more like a "Giwer" thing.

Just to be sure we are accurate here, I should point out that "Doc"
Tavish seems to have a pronounced penile fixation as well.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Sat Jan  4 20:03:41 PST 1997
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   Gord McFee  writes:
> >  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Ferdinand Lasselle, a Jew himself and a rival of Karl Marx, gives us
> >  > his impressions of the race which bore him:
> >
> >  Which has absolutely what to do with the topic of "revisionism"?

> COMMENT:  I believ I have posted this a number of times in other threads, but
> to be polite and answer your question:  I feel that the history of the Jewish people
> must be viewed cumulatively when examining the causes and reasons for the Holocaust.
> Other historians seem to take this approach as well.  It is, therefore, quite valid.  Also, these
> posts are in reply to the argument made implicitly by Goldhagen that the Germans were pliable
> to becoming Hitler's "willing executioners" due to some "bad gene" peculiar to the Germans.
> These posts simply prove the untenable position of this opinion.

As moderator Matt Giwer would tell you, the causes and reasons for the
Holocaust are off-topic in this newsgroup, which exists to discuss the
historicity of the Holocaust.  

That being said, I wish you would either support your statement about
Goldhagen's book or withdraw it.  I have the book beside me by the way,
so a page reference would be appreciated.  I disagree with much of
Goldhagen's thesis, but it is most unfair to accuse him of having said
things he clearly did not say.


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Subject: Re: Brainwashing
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Mark Van Alstine wrote:
> 
> In article <32d427f2.2871369@199.0.216.204>, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
> wrote:
> 
> >         Random House Dictionary:
> >
> > "brainwashing, 1. a method for systematically changing attitudes or
> > altering beliefs, esp. through the use of torture, drugs, or
> > psychological-stress techniques. 2. any method of controlled
> > systematic indoctrination. 3. an instance of treatment by such a
> > method."
 
> 3. (Really "5," but Moran can't count.) The Moran(tm) sticking a wash
> cloth in one ear and pulling it out the other.

It really doesn't matter, Mark, since Moron is missing the primary
ingredient for a brainwashing.


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ibokor wrote:
> 
> Gord McFee (gmcfee@ibm.net) wrote:
> :
> : Then why did she say that *everyone* in the camp (presumably including her)
> : *knew* that Sonderbehandlung meant gassing?
> :
> 
> Et tu Gord?

Shouldn't it be Gordu, or something like that (Vocative)?  :-)
 
> The phrase "everyone in the camp", unless preceded by the qualifier
> "almost", does not "presumably inlcude her", it *definitely*
> includes her, as she was in the camp herself.

Yes.  I was being a tad sarcastic with my "brilliant" correspondent. 
Now you have given my fiendish game away.

> It seems that too much contact with the "Ehrlichs" and "rblackmores"
> has not been without its corrupting effect.

You mean there's more than one?


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Troy Varange wrote:
> 
> Perhaps you can't understand Blackmore's posts because you
> are ignorant on the respective subjects?

Perhaps you're just spewing troll-bait, Skippy?  :-)


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Doc Marten wrote:
 
[deleted]
 
>         And it is worth repeating that when Reagan surrounded himself
> with Catholics, it was with a note of pride that Catholics noted it.
> It had only been twenty years before that the JFK presidency had lead
> to another impotent resurgence of anti-catholicism.
> 
>         But when a similar situation is pointed out regarding Jews, the
> jump right into the "they'll make a lampshade of us" mode.

Oh Doc, I thought I would remind you that this thread is off-topic,
according to the newsgroup's self-appointed moderator Matt Giwer. 
Better be careful--he's a tough one.

(Note: for the truly stupid, allow me to point out that I was being
sarcastic and know that Doc Martens is really Giwer.)

BTW, you *lose* again, Matty.


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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   Gord McFee  writes:
> >  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> >
> >  [deleted]
> >
> >  > COMMENT:  Only in your mind am I losing.  You will undoubtedly have the
> >  > rest of the Nizkorians who will agree with you, but I don't pay much attention
> >  > to their opinions.  After all, they are biased, as you are.  I only care about
> >  > reaching the browsers with both sides of the argument and let them decide--
> >  > chips fall where they may.--rb
> >
> >  Then you are doing a poor job, Mr. Blackmore, because the only adherents
> >  you manage to recruit are Giwer under his latest 15 aliases and the
> >  dimwit Moron.

> COMMENT:  Have you some method for conducting an accurate poll
> that we are unaware of, Mr. McFee?--rb

Strange, Mr. Blackmore.  The answer is so obvious I am surprised that
you would need to ask the question.  The proof for the fact that you are
"losing" is provided by you and your cohorts every day in this
newsgroup.  Your desperation, the requirement for so many of you to post
under phoney names (and in many cases, several of them), the avoidance
of legitimate debate, the introduction of clearly irrelevant material
into the newsgroup, the constant personal attacks--these are just some
of the methods that demonstrate you are losing.


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tom moran wrote:
> 
> >tom moran wrote:
> >>
> >
> >[deleted]
> >
> >>
> >>         But the officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity ...
> >>
> >>         The United States, the official and others said ..."
> >>
> >
> >But how are the wife and kids, zeyde?
> 
>         Why do you ask?

Come on, zeyde, I asked first.


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Ken Lewis wrote:
> 
> On 3 Jan 1997 16:32:09 GMT, "Richard A. Hernandez" 
> wrote:
> 
> >Anyway, all of you " usefull idiots " out there, are going to learn a real
> >harsh lesson one day. Because  "Judgement Day " my friends, is coming!
> 
> And how long have you suffered from these delusions?

Ever since he discovered the *.nude binary groups.  :-)


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Subject: Re: Eichmann in Minsk
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>    Gord McFee  writes:
> 
> But Ken, don't you see?  Eichmann was tortured to make that statement,
>   just like Himmler was tortured to make the Posen speech and so on.
>   Also, Martin Gilbert was tortured to write the book-----no, wait.
>   Gilbert is Jewish.  That's it--he simply invented the whole thing.
> 
>   [Denier mode off]

> COMMENT:  Out of curiosity, who ever wrote that Himmler was tortured
> into making his Posen speech?  Who ever wrote that Gilbert was tortured
> to wrote the book?  As for Eichmann, he was only drugged and kidnapped
> by force and taken to a country to be tried for alleged crimes against a nation
> which never even existed at the time of the alleged crime's occurance.  Also,
> Israel has NO death penalty....so why was Eichmann hanged?  Finally, do
> you suppose the man in the posted quote below was tortured into making this
> statement?:

Mr. Blackmore, may I suggest you take some time off and relax?  You
obviously are stressed out if you were unable to see the sarcasm in that
post.  It is you who consistently claims that witnesses who support the
historicity of the Holocaust are either lying (survivors) or were
tortured (perpetrators).  I was mocking your denier modus operandi.

Eichmann was indeed drugged and kidnapped.  He was shown every fairness
once he got to Israel, as the fact that his entire interrogation was
taped would indicate (it would have been hard to beat him on tape).  His
trial was also fair in the extreme, given who he was, and he was
afforded every possibility to defend himself.  No one, including
Eichmann, was surprised when the defense didn't work, since the
documents and testimonies showing his complicity in the crimes were
numerous and damning.  In fact, he admitted much of the crimes of his
own free will, so he could attempt to minimize his own involvement in
them.  And he was not tried for crimes against Israel, as you would know
if you had ever read anything about the trial. \

> Halle 1515   The strange case of the converted Jew, Johann Pfefferkorn.
>  Pfefferkorn confessed to poisonings on a large scale, stealing several
>  consecrated hosts, kidnapping 2 children, one of who he sold to other
>  Jews that they might extract its blood--the other he let free because it
>  had red hair.  Pfefferkorn was executed for his admitted crimes.

This has nothing to do with the Holocaust and is the usual denier trick
when stumped: throw in an irrelevancy in an attempt to change the topic.

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tom moran wrote:
> 
> >rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Dr. Muench, the darling of Daniel keren and Mark Van Alstine, is frequently
> >> quoted as an alleged witness to a gassing at Auschwitz.  Now, since he WAS
> >> a doctor, and doctors were in charge of selections, I wondered how it was that
> >> this man was spared from the gallows.  I believe I have since found out:
> >
> >Even if Dr. Muench was acquitted because he plea bargained (I have no
> >way of verifying this and don't think it is important in any event), why
> >would that necessarily invalidate his testimony, as you seem to imply?
> >There is lots of other evidence against the doctors of Auschwitz, and
> >there is tons of evidence for the gassings that occurred there.  Perhaps
> >Dr. Muench was just trying to save his skin?
> >
> >If you apply your logic to main Nuremberg Trial, you would have to agree
> >that Speer plea bargained his way to a 20 year sentence and therefore,
> >his testimony is also invalid.  Is that your position?
> >
>         This bird brain says "tons of evidence for the gassings"? Tons of
> false testimony maybe, but no evidence.

Tons of evidence, zeyde, and you have seen most of it, but are simply to
bigoted to care.  BTW, zeyde, it's Mr. Birdbrain to an idiot like you.

How *are* the wife and kids?  


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tom moran wrote:
> 
> >tom moran  wrote:
> >: Treblinka chapter of the Holocaust story has it that the 40 acre camp
> >: was built one year where the Germans exterminated up to 2,000,000 the
> >
> >Obviously not 2 000 000. But several hundred thousands
> >of people were gassed in Treblinka camp.
> >If you are an idiot, don't inform the whole world about it.
> >                        Your truly,
> >                     Jerzy Pankiewicz
> 
>         Holocaust facts are made up of eyewitness accounts. It doesn't
> matter what the current figures are that Holocaust scholars or whoever
> chose to use. The revisionist is not bound to accept any number. If
> one account has it hundreds of thousands were killed at Treblinka and
> another has it 2,000,000, I can use any figure I want. In fact I do.
> The only thing a defender of the story can do is announce one figure
> correct which at the same time would make the other false.

That just about sums it up, zeyde.  You use whatever figure you want,
never allowing the fact of whether it is true or not to enter the
picture.  God forbid that you deniers start looking for the truth.

>         It's a problem.

You are the problem.  Or maybe the wife and kids are a problem.  Which
is it zeyde?



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>    Gord McFee  writes:
>   rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>   As moderator Matt Giwer would tell you, the causes and reasons for the
>   Holocaust are off-topic in this newsgroup, which exists to discuss the
>   historicity of the Holocaust.
> 
>   That being said, I wish you would either support your statement about
>   Goldhagen's book or withdraw it.  I have the book beside me by the way,
>   so a page reference would be appreciated.  I disagree with much of
>   Goldhagen's thesis, but it is most unfair to accuse him of having said
>   things he clearly did not say.

> COMMENT:  I do not have the book in front of me.  I cannot cite you a
> particular page or paragraph.  I assume you have read the book, so I will
> ask you if he implicitly remarks that Germans had a peculiar "bad gene" which
> gave them the predisposition to persecute Jews.

Mr. Blackmore, it was you who made the comment that Goldhagen says the
Germans have a "bad gene" (you even put it in quotes) that made them
more predisposed to persecute Jews.  You then weakened that slightly to
say that Goldhagen "implied" that the Germans had the "bad gene".  I
asked you to give a reference, since I had not seen that in the book and
you respond by asking *me* whether *your* statement is correct.  What
gives here?

*You* made the assertion.  Are you now saying that you made a bald
assertion without having verified it?

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ibokor wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Stele" wrote:
> :
> : Your sig. sounds like that of an adolescent, Gord.
> :
> 
> Ah the joys of retaining a youthful outlook
> and young, freshh mind even at Gord's age.
> I guess that must be why he's been employed
> as a goy toyboy.

I don't mind the goy toyboy reference, but I'm not sure about that
reference to "...even at Gord's age".  I'm not quite in the old folks
home yet.  :-)



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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> In article  zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) writes:
> 
> >*       I have had many requests for translation of my ZGrams into German.
> 
> Why am I not surprised?

The requests were probably from Zuendel, so he could understand what
Ingrid posts for him.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Sun Jan  5 23:01:02 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Leuchter and Nizkook Kentral
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Doc Marten wrote:
> 
>         One of the most amusing things to note is the Nizkook Kentral
> condemnation of Leuchter for not being a scientist and the
> pronouncements of non-scientists explaining science to those who are
> scientists.

Well put, Matty.  Whoever wrote it for you did a half decent job.  I
would just like to point out that the main person to have condemned
Leuchter was Leuchter himself, when he was forced to admit under oath
that he had *lied* about his qualifications as an engineer, *lied* about
having done work on gas chambers, *lied* about having worked for several
U.S. prisons, and so on.  He had to admit that he was a *liar*.  Sounds
like a common denier leitmotif.

>         The great Gord McFly explaining a subtle point of chemistry is
> truly a masterpiece worthy of Charles Fort.

McFee does produce masterpieces, I have to agree.  But I doubt you will
be able to find a post where he purports to explain a "subtle point of
chemistry" because he has posted several times that that is *not* his
area of expertise.  He leaves that to experts in the field, and there
are several in this newsgroup who have flayed Matty Giwer as easy as
pie.

Matty Giwer is the guy who has tried to proclaim himself an expert in a
variety of areas and he has been proven wrong in every one of them.  But
we knew that.

And you *lose* again.


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Subject: Re: Why is "Holocaust Denial" a bad thing?
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Doc Marten wrote:
> 
> On 4 Jan 97 23:34:29 GMT, "Anthony Sabatini" 
> wrote in alt.revisionism:
 
[deleted]
 
>         The first thing you should have noticed about these holohuggers
> is that are so grossly prone to exaggeration about those who try to
> deal with the subject of this conference that there could have been
> only one killed and they would still be at six million.
> 
>         If you really wish to see what the revisionist side is all
> about, there are over a dozen websites.  I prefer
> 
> home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html

Gee, I wonder why you prefer that one Doc?  Oh that's right, you're
really Matty Giwer, soon to be a jailbird.

You *lose* again.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Mon Jan  6 02:18:19 PST 1997
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   Gord McFee  writes:
> >
> >  I don't think it was entirely his fault, Mike.  You see, the chief
> >  handler announced at the last minute that Blackmore was to be the
> >  spammer of the week and he was unready for it.  That necessitated using
> >  a whole bunch of irrelevant and inaccurate crap instead of the usual
> >  simply inaccurate crap.
> >
> >  Posted and e-mailed.

> COMMENT:  It is strange that you should write the above as I have
> suspected this of Nizkor for sometime now.  Each person is 'assigned"
> someone to respond to, and each has a defined "method" of responding...
> a variation on the "good guy"-"bad guy" routine.  (Sorry, ladies...)

Well, I hate to break the news to you, but Nizkor is not a monolithic
bunch of hired hands who are controlled by a central master.

Now, as for *you* folks, I claim that you have handlers.  I claim that
you have folks that feed you things to post in the newsgroup. In fact, I
*know* that to be true.  Can you guess how I know?

Posted and e-mailed to Mr. Blackmore and Mr. Curtis.

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From gmcfee@ibm.net Mon Jan  6 02:33:53 PST 1997
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Subject: Re: how the kike-mouths have quieted
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Doc Marten wrote:
> 
>         It took a few dozen posts of observations of "kike-mouth
> syndrome" and then one "hammer over the head" post of the kind of
> language used by holocaust defenders for them to clean up their act.
> The mere observation that a media forum discussion would point out the
> kind of people they are has done wonders to make them clean up their
> acts.
> 
>         Of course there are folks like Judge Dred who will claim every
> word of it is a lie but DejaNews will contain the proof of it for a
> very long time.  Additionally complete copies of their posts have been
> saved independently and for posterity just to show what holocaust
> defenders are really like.
> 
>         So for the time being they have cleaned up their penis oriented
> posts.  It will only be a matter of time before they claim it never
> happened.  But then, their posts have been recorded.

This is so precious, Matty.  Ignored by virtually everyone, reduced to
be nothing more than a messenger boy for the handlers, and about to get
your ass jacked big-time, you resort to the oldest and most transparent
of the denier tricks--proclaim victory.  You have to proclaim it,
because there is no way you can actually win it.  Is your next step to
slink away, having "won"?

What a coward.  What a *loser*.


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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   Gord McFee  writes:

[deleted]

> >  > >  Then you are doing a poor job, Mr. Blackmore, because the only adherents
> >  > >  you manage to recruit are Giwer under his latest 15 aliases and the
> >  > >  dimwit Moron.
> >
> >  > COMMENT:  Have you some method for conducting an accurate poll
> >  > that we are unaware of, Mr. McFee?--rb
> >
> >  Strange, Mr. Blackmore.  The answer is so obvious I am surprised that
> >  you would need to ask the question.  The proof for the fact that you are
> >  "losing" is provided by you and your cohorts every day in this
> >  newsgroup.  Your desperation, the requirement for so many of you to post
> >  under phoney names (and in many cases, several of them), the avoidance
> >  of legitimate debate, the introduction of clearly irrelevant material
> >  into the newsgroup, the constant personal attacks--these are just some
> >  of the methods that demonstrate you are losing.

> COMMENT:  Strange, Mr. McFee, Nizkor devotees use the exact same
> tactics you describe above....one of us is not seeing things clearly.....

It is obviously you.  There is no person here named Nizkor who posts to
this newsgroup, except the occasional automated FAQ posting (e.g. the
Leuchter Report).  There are several people who post here who call
themselves "revisionists" and they all use the tactics I mentioned
above.  They do that because they are losing and they know it.  The last
time a poll was done in this newsgroup as to which side the lurkers were
on, the score was about 25-0 *against* the "revisionists" when the poll
stopped.  Coincidence?


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Doc Marten wrote:
> 
> On 5 Jan 1997 04:31:53 GMT, truthsk763@aol.com (Truthsk763) wrote in
> alt.revisionism:
> 
> >Can we end this thread?  People's personal lives are not the business of
> >anyone in this newsgroup.  In any event, this is newsgroup is suppose to
> >deal with revisionism, not "coming out."  There are other newsgroups more
> >appropriate for this discussion.
> 
>         But you have to remember that the kikes (not Jews of course) in
> this newsgroups are so vile and vicious that they will delve into the
> personal lives of people for the sole purpose of attacking anyone who
> posts here.  That is the kind of person who defends the holocaust.
> Quite the viscious types, eh?

I guess that makes you a kike, Matty (definitely not a Jew) because no
one has spent more time interfering in people's personal lives in this
newsgroup than you have.

Thus, you stand self-incriminated.  And you *lose* again.

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John Baglow wrote:
> 
>  Final Conflict (FinalConflict@dial.pipex.com) dribbles:
> 
> > The descendents of those who killed Jesus Christ - whom I should add,
> > the Talmud says is boiling in excrement in Hell. How's that for
> > reverence?
> 
>  Hmmm...wait a minute. I thought the drooling doctor said it was boiling
>  *semen.* Can't you nazi morons get your libels straight?

How are you doing John?  Long time, no see.  

In answer to your question, they cannot get their stories straight,
since they are based on lies and the deniers are too stupid to remember
who told which lie when.


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Mike Curtis wrote:
> 
> rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >>  You will, of course, quote the relevant parts from Goldhagen
> >>  where he claims Germans have a 'bad gene.'
> >
> >COMMENT:  This is implied.
> 
> How is this implied by Goldhagen?

I will be interested to see the answer to this, as well as the page
reference, so I can verify it in my copy of the book.



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>    Gord McFee  writes:
> 
> 
>   Please tell me where in my article I accused you of being antisemitic.
>   I said that the word "kike" is a pejorative.  It always has been, and
>   civilized people do not use it in discourse because it is vulgar and
>   considered to be the kind of word that antisemitic people use.  In that
>   context, I said that I found your explanation facile; one does not
>   simply change the meaning of a word to suit the occasion.  If that were
>   possible, I am sure you could walk up to Evander Hollyfield and call him
>   a "nigger".  I am sure he would accept your explanation that you didn't
>   mean it in a racist way.
> 
> COMMENT:  It is true that you did not accuse me of being anti-Semitic.
> "Kike" of course, can be used as a pehorative, if such is the intention
> of the author.  I happen to own a book written by a Jewish author entitled
> "Kike!" and he certainly can not be referred to as anti-Semitic.  The use of the
> word in my post was satire, and satire only.  As far as the use of the word "nigger",
> I hear black people use it all the time.  have you ever listened to any rap songs?
> There seems to be a double standard here.  I submit that it all depends on the
> context and the intention of the author.--rb

With respect, that doesn't quite cut it.  I can see what you say if you
were talking privately to another person who understands the code you
are using and does not object to it.  But you posted the word in a
public newsgroup, to a lot of people you do not know at all.  And you
had to know that the common way that word is taken is pejoratively, as
are words like "nigger", "dago" and so on.  If you are truly not
antisemitic, you should have posted a disclaimer *up front*.  The same
point applies to your point about "nigger".  Some blacks do call
themselves "nigger" as a means of showing their derision for the word. 
But they do it to each other.  Normally, whites do not address blacks in
those words.  Hence, my point about you saying the word to Evander
Holyfield, a black person you do *not* know.  What do you think would
happen if you were to go to Harlem, stand on a street corner and say the
word "nigger" a few times?  Get real, Mr. Blackmore.

The only double standard here is the one you are employing in your
attempt to slither out of the mess you got yourself in.
> 
>   In respect of John Morris, you seem to imply that we are all one
>   monolithic mass.  John Morris can speak for himself, and indeed has very
> >  effectively, on this topic.  In fact, he employed *exactly* the same
> >  methodology that you did (used an expression normally taken as insulting
> >  and simply "redefined" the word as not being insulting).  The difference
> >  was that I sensed a note of irony, bordering on sarcasm, in Mr. Morris'
> >  post.  Obviously you did not, since your only reply was to call him an
> >  "asshole".
> 
> COMMENT:  obviously I did not. I did not feel that the analogy was appropriate.
> However, I hope I have since cleared this matter up with Mr. Morris, as he sent me
> an explanation.  I accept his explanation but still feel that the analogy, for certain
> reasons, was inappropriate.--rb

It was you, not I, who dragged Morris into this.



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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   Gord McFee  writes:

[deleted]

> >  > COMMENT:  That's it.  You lost the debate, and I am through debating it with an asshole,
> >
> >  I am sorry to say that *you* lost the debate, Mr. Blackmore.  Attempting
> >  to claim that a word such as "kike" is not antisemitic just doesn't cut
> >  it.  I am surprised you didn't simply admit you made a silly statement
> >  and back out of it.  God knows I have had to do that.  It doesn't make
> >  you less of a man BTW.

> COMMENT:  I already explained that has I had no sinister intent,
> and the word was used as satire, I need not apologize for it.  In
> view of this, do you still think that I need to?--rb

The fact that you would ask the question makes further discussion on
this topic pointless.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Mon Jan  6 06:52:08 PST 1997
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Mike Curtis wrote:
> 
> ci882@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rubin Friedman) wrote:
> 
> You are learning about Blackmore, Mr. Friedman. Most of his quotes are
> senseless in the extreme. This is one of his most recent spam
> sessions.

I don't think it was entirely his fault, Mike.  You see, the chief
handler announced at the last minute that Blackmore was to be the
spammer of the week and he was unready for it.  That necessitated using
a whole bunch of irrelevant and inaccurate crap instead of the usual
simply inaccurate crap.

Posted and e-mailed.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Mon Jan  6 06:52:09 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Eichmann in Minsk
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Ken Lewis wrote:
> 
> From the Eichmann Trial
> 
> "There were piles of dead people. They were shooting into the pit
> - it was a large one, so I was told, perhaps four to five times
> the size of this room, perhaps even six or seven times. I didn't
> think much about it because I could hardly express any thoughts
> about it - I only saw it and that was quite enough - they were
> shooting into the pit and I saw a woman, her arms seemed to be at
> the back; and then my knees went weak and I went away."
> 
> Gilbert, Martin. The Holocaust.New York: Henry Holt. 1985. p. 167

[Denier mode on]

But Ken, don't you see?  Eichmann was tortured to make that statement,
just like Himmler was tortured to make the Posen speech and so on. 
Also, Martin Gilbert was tortured to write the book-----no, wait. 
Gilbert is Jewish.  That's it--he simply invented the whole thing.

[Denier mode off]



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From gmcfee@ibm.net Mon Jan  6 06:52:10 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: How can yu shoot a woman and children
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Doc Marten wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 04 Jan 1997 00:03:21 GMT, klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote
> in alt.revisionism:
> 
> >From the Eichmann Trial
> >
> >
> >" I told everyone who came my way - I said: 'How can you shoot a
> >woman and children, how is this possible? It cannot be done -
> >these people can go mad or become sadists, and they are our own
> >people.'  He said: 'This is true, and this is how it is done
> >here. The shootings are carried out here, too - do you wish to
> >see for yourself?' I said: 'No, I do not wish to see.' And he
> >said: 'We shall see whether you wish to or not, because it is on
> >our way.' There was a trench, but the trench was already filled
> >in; and there was a kind of spring of blood gushing from the
> >earth - and this, too, I had never seen before. As far as I was
> >concerned, I'd had enough, and went back to Berlin and told
> >Gruppenfuhrer Muller."
> >
> >Gilbert, Martin. The Holocaust.New York: Henry Holt. 1985. pp.
> >167 -168
> 
>         Any one who gives credibility to a "spring of blood" is not up
> to dealing with any aspect of holocausty.

Gee Matty, I see you are now recycling your phoney names. Run out of
ideas so soon?

BTW, it should be "helfen", not "hilfen", but then, your handler's
German never was as good as he claimed it to be.

Lastly, the person who mentioned the "spring of blood" was *Eichmann*,
not Ken Lewis, and I expect Eichmann knew what he was talking about.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Tue Jan  7 01:20:12 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Blackmore's research
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) writes:

[deleted]

> >       How is it then, Mr. Blackmore, that Mr. Curtis is able to provide
> >  large citations from references without (as you insinuate) research, while
> >  you always plead that you must get back to us with your evidence?  (And
> >  often either fail to do so or turn out to be inaccurate.)

> Well, the answers to your questions have been written many times before.  Perhaps you
> did not read them.  Mr. Curtis does indeed provide large citations.  TOO large, IMO.  He often
> reposts excerpts I have already posted in support of my arguments, only then attempts to
> re-interpret the material in his own image.  Often it is not a simple matter for me to immediately
> access a source, as I have too many books.  I get to them as I can, when I can.  I also take
> exception to your comment that my evidence turns out to be inaccurate.

Mr. Curtis posted long excerpts from the evidence that demonstrated that
your portrayal of it was wrong--pure and simple.  Your reaction was
simply to shrug your shoulders and dismiss it.  No reasons--no analysis
of what might have been wrong with Mr. Curtis' points--no, just, "I
don't agree".  You make an assertion and when someone *proves* it is
wrong, you simply "disagree", like a petulant child.

That is of course your right.  But you have claimed you post here for
the lurkers (I don't believe that for a minute, but you have said it). 
I hate to break the news to you, but most rational lurkers are going to
look at Mr. Curtis' post and yours, and dismiss you as wrong and
unethical.

Mr. Stein's point is rock solid as well (what a word play!!).  You claim
to have evidence to back your allegations, but never post it.  And when
you do post alleged support, examination usually shows it to be wrong,
as the Goldhagen "quote" so clearly demonstrates.

You are losing Mr. Blackmore.  Just like Giwer did before he sank into
his current fit of obscenity, forgery, cowardice and abuse.  What are
*you* going to do?


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Tue Jan  7 01:20:13 PST 1997
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>    dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

[deleted]
 
>  You posted zero evidence that, for instance, one accused SS-men
>  or women who testified in the Belsen Trial was tortured. You
>   posted zero evidence that any of the numerous SS-men, who testified
>   in the trials held by the German legal system, was tortured or
>   mistreated in any way whatsoever.
> 
> I believe I have posted evidence in the past that Kramer was mistreated and
> tortured, and that his original detailed statement denied the existence of gas chambers.
> As I do not regard the gas chambers as a reality at this point, anything they may have
> said to corroborate it after their "interrogation" is simply irrelevant--as irrelevant as anything
> Jews had to say about Jewish ritual murder.

Mr. Blackmore, this is a bit much.  You can't dismiss evidence on the
sole ground that you disagree with it.  Please grow up.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Tue Jan  7 08:36:35 PST 1997
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Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 10:29:09 -0800, in
> , zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org
> (E. Zundel Repost) wrote:
> 
> >------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------
> >
> >January 5, 1997
> >
> [snip]
> 
> >
> >*       There is a new Revisionist research service available at the Fenix
> >site called Belling Books.  I have used it in the past and have found it
> >both prompt and reliable.  For those of you into research, set some time
> >aside to get a feel for all the books and documents out there you haven't
> >yet had a chance to read.  www.smartnet.net/~fbooks
> >
> 
> How fascinating!  Belling Books!

[Belling Books blurb deleted]
 
> These names sure do ring a familiar bell.  Not much of a corporate
> image for "Belling's Books" though, if payments are to be made to
> "Cash" or "J. Bellinger."

Mercy mercy, Ms. Ostrov.  What an interesting discovery you have made. 
I will be interested to see the blushing Belling's, oops--I mean
bride's--response.  :-)


Posted and e-mailed.
 

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Mad Max wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 09:08:56, joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
> wrote in alt.revisionism:
 
[deleted]

> >>        So for the time being they have cleaned up their penis oriented
> >>posts.  It will only be a matter of time before they claim it never
> >>happened.  But then, their posts have been recorded.
> >
> >Your mother still dresses you funny.  And she swims after troop ships.
> 
>         And here we have another example of the intellectual level of
> the defenders of the holocaust.  Thank you for the quote.  You take
> them as you find them.

You poor gutless frightened old shit, Matty.  Yale Edeiken must really
have you quaking in your boots for you to resort to the tired old "I'll
try to bai people into insulting me so I can tell the jury that everyone
here does it".  Man, have you ever misread this one.  


Posted and e-mailed to Mr. Edeiken for his entertainment.


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Subject: Where have all the Giwers Gone?
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Can anyone guess who Giwer's provider of the day is?  Hehehe.


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From: Gord McFee 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: HOLOCAUST FAQ: The "Leuchter Report" (1/2)
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Mad Max wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 21:52:02 +0000, Dene Bebbington
>  wrote in alt.revisionism:
 
[deleted]

> >In the same way that Leuchter was being deliberately misleading in many
> >of his claims?
> 
>         Excuse me, but it is not clear how he was in any way
> misleading.  Anyone who can program can, in the US, claim to be a
> software engineer.  One can also leave off the software and simply
> claim engineer.

For God's sake, Matt, he *admitted* he was a liar.  He *admitted* it. 
You've really got to lay off the cheap booze.

That's why you *lose* again.

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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Translation Please, Mr. "Blackmore" (or Ehrlich)
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Hilary Ostrov wrote:
> 
> Notwithstanding the References, I have not seen the following response
> posted here yet - and I wouldn't want anyone to miss it.
> 
> 
> 
> Return-Path: 
> Received: from x6.boston.juno.com (x6.boston.juno.com
> [205.231.101.23]) by mercury.uniserve.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id
> NAA12124 for ; Sun, 5 Jan 1997 13:56:39 -0800
> (PST)
> From: rblackmore@juno.com
> X-Envelope-To: 
> Received: (from rblackmore@juno.com) by x6.boston.juno.com (queuemail)
>         id RaH00445; Sun, 05 Jan 1997 17:07:31 EST
> To: hostrov@uniserve.com
> Subject: Re: Ferdinand Lassalle on the Jews
> Message-ID: <19970105.135827.3134.3.rblackmore@juno.com>
> References: <32CEC163.5479@ibm.net> <5anrdm$2so@juliana.sprynet.com>
>         <32cf8687.50592610@news.uniserve.com>
> X-Mailer: Juno 1.14
> X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1
> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 17:07:31 EST
> 
> Ich hab eine tiefe sehnsucht in mir, nach Dir, nach Dir....ja. ich
> sehn mich, ich sehn mich, nach Dir......
> 
> 

Err... Ms. Ostrov, I am able to translate that passage, and will also
anxiously await Mr. Blackmore's translation!  I will only say that he
seems to have switched genders as to that for which he trolls!  I will
only add that I could only find three ot four mistakes in the German,
which means that Blackmore's handler's German still hasn't improved very
much.  (Wo bist Du, i.A.?)

> 
> I'm sure he must be making a highly relevant contribution to the
> discussion. So for the benefit of all to whom the German language
> presents a linguistic challenge, I would ask that Mr/Ms
> Belling/Blackmore/Tutu/Fafner (or their handler) kindly provide a
> translation.

Err...I am not sure how "relevant" the "contribution" is, but I will be
interested to see Mr. Blackmore's comments.
 

Posted and e-mailed to Ms. Ostrov.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Tue Jan  7 16:12:24 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Bad German Genes
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 20:13:55 -0500
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ChuckF2323 wrote:
> 
> >>>>
> COMMENT:  How could someone with such a limited intelligence decide
> whether
> I am very intellectual or not?  Very strange.....I will get around to
> posting the relevant
> portions from Goldhagen's bookin due time.  Remember, patience is a
> virtue.--rb
> 
> I'll buy the beers all around if blackmore proves this crock.

Those beers are as safe as they could be Chuck.



--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Tue Jan  7 22:37:57 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Ferdinand Lassalle on the Jews
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:30:27 -0500
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Ken McVay OBC wrote:
> 
> In article <32D04112.554C@ibm.net>, Gord McFee  wrote:
> 
> >*You* made the assertion.  Are you now saying that you made a bald
> >assertion without having verified it?
> 
> Joseph Bellinger, LIE?
> pshaaaw.
> pshaaaw.
> 
> Do you, Sir, a man with whom I have Passed the Guinness, do _you_
> mean to suggest that there is nothing in the Goldhagen book at my
> right hand about Bad German Genes?

Yes, sir, I *do* mean to suggest that there is nothing in the Goldhagen
book about the Bad German Genes, and I might add that I much prefer
Passing the Guiness to reading Mr. Bellinger's "posts".

> Are you, Sir, perchance the selfsame fellow that doubted El H*ber,
> when he said Goldhagen used the phrase "evil german babies?"

ROTFL.

> Oh _do_ say it isn't so..... if you don't, I warn you firmly,
> _you_ will buy the Guinness when next I'm in Ottawa.

That's if I can find the place.  };->  +  [blush]

> Bellinger? Hey, he's about to show you the door, pal... he's
> probably posting that bibliographic citation as I write this -
> shucks, I _know_ he is.. that's why I got the book off the shelf,
> and put it next to my UNIX machine... you'll see.

Let's see what that reference is going to be.  But let's not hold our
breath.

Posted and e-mailed.


--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Wed Jan  8 05:43:37 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: 970104: Israel and the UN
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Mgiwer wrote:

[Under his own name and from an AOL account.]

Matty, don't tell me that you and GTE had a parting of the ways.

Don't tell me you *lost* again!



Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Wed Jan  8 05:43:38 PST 1997
Article: 91734 of alt.revisionism
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From: Gord McFee 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: For the Benefit of Mr. Kike
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 21:39:54 -0500
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
> >   Gord McFee  writes:
> 
> >  Nice try, but facile as I said.  The word "kike" is a pejorative by
> >  definition; it is independent of the user, and to say that you are not a
> >  racist and therefore can use racist terms is sophistry at its best.  It
> >  is this kind of hypocrisy and duplicity that ensure the denier argument
> >  always loses.

> >>>>COMMENT:  I must disagree.  Since you do not know me, you cannot
> really state with certainty whether I am an anti-Semite or not; however, I tell
> you that I am not.  Consequently you will choose to believe whatever you are
> inclined to believe.  I have showed remarkable patience with the hundreds of
> insults bandied about by certain individuals on the newsgroup.  However, I am,
> by nature, a patient man with the endurance of Job.  The use of the word Kike
> was as satire.  If you and others wish to make a mountain out of a mole hill, I can
> not prevent you from doing so.  It was and is satire, and I have been referred to
> as far worse, as you well know.  I see you avoided mentioning Morris's repulsive
> comments.  That is a bit unfair as well, don't you think?--rb

Please tell me where in my article I accused you of being antisemitic. 
I said that the word "kike" is a pejorative.  It always has been, and
civilized people do not use it in discourse because it is vulgar and
considered to be the kind of word that antisemitic people use.  In that
context, I said that I found your explanation facile; one does not
simply change the meaning of a word to suit the occasion.  If that were
possible, I am sure you could walk up to Evander Hollyfield and call him
a "nigger".  I am sure he would accept your explanation that you didn't
mean it in a racist way.

In respect of John Morris, you seem to imply that we are all one
monolithic mass.  John Morris can speak for himself, and indeed has very
effectively, on this topic.  In fact, he employed *exactly* the same
methodology that you did (used an expression normally taken as insulting
and simply "redefined" the word as not being insulting).  The difference
was that I sensed a note of irony, bordering on sarcasm, in Mr. Morris'
post.  Obviously you did not, since your only reply was to call him an
"asshole".

--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Wed Jan  8 16:18:20 PST 1997
Article: 91758 of alt.revisionism
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Giwers Gone
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Aviatorp47 wrote:
> 
> Subject: Where have all the Giwers Gone?
> From: Gord McFee 
> Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 23:32:08 -0500
> Message-ID: <32D1D1C8.1EFD@ibm.net>
> 
> Can anyone guess who Giwer's provider of the day is?  Hehehe.
> 
> Jeeezzz, Gord, it's only 9:a.m. here, I'm having my first cup of coffee
> and here is some krazy guy laughing like a girl

I like playing with girls--what's your point?  :-)

> it's suppose to sound like this BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> 
> Give my regards to tha Mrs.

Ditto.  Have a Good one Chuck.

--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Blackmore's obtuse Postings
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Mike Curtis wrote:
> 
> Gord McFee  wrote:
> 
> >rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> >>
> >>    dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
> >
> >[deleted]
> >
> >>  You posted zero evidence that, for instance, one accused SS-men
> >>  or women who testified in the Belsen Trial was tortured. You
> >>   posted zero evidence that any of the numerous SS-men, who testified
> >>   in the trials held by the German legal system, was tortured or
> >>   mistreated in any way whatsoever.
> >>
> >> I believe I have posted evidence in the past that Kramer was mistreated and
> >> tortured, and that his original detailed statement denied the existence of gas chambers.
> >> As I do not regard the gas chambers as a reality at this point, anything they may have
> >> said to corroborate it after their "interrogation" is simply irrelevant--as irrelevant as anything
> >> Jews had to say about Jewish ritual murder.
> >
> >Mr. Blackmore, this is a bit much.  You can't dismiss evidence on the
> >sole ground that you disagree with it.  Please grow up.
> >
> 
> Sure he can, Gord! He's been doing this for two months now. Don't you
> feel all that air disturbance from the waving of _both_ hands?

Maybe he has read too many of those Nazi books he sells, even though
he's not a Nazi.
 

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Gord McFee
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Rich Graves wrote:
> 
> Gord McFee  writes:
> >tom moran wrote:
> >>
> >>         Like that little end table curiosity with the ball bearings
> >> hanging by strings, the ones where you pull one back and let it fall
> >> and it hits the next one which goes on to hit the next etc., and then
> >> they all get out of sync and start to slam into each other, that's
> >> Holocaust eyewitness testimony for you.
> >
> >You've really lost it, zeyde.  Seek help soon.
> 
> That sound you hear is the ticking of the time bomb in the moran's head...
> you don't want to be around when he blows.

Thanks for the warning, Rich.  One thing for sure--if Moron ever does
blow his top, there is no danger of getting hit by flying brain matter.


--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Wed Jan  8 16:18:23 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Ferdinand Lassalle on the Jews
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>    yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:
 
[deleted]

> >       it's a foot riddled with bulletholes.  There is no such "thesis" in
> >  Goldhagen's book.  You are just lying again.
> 
> COMMENT:  Right.  From the king of lies himself.....

OK.  Am I also the king of the liars?  I say that there is no such
reference in Goldhagen's book.  Prove me wrong, Mr. Blackmore, because
it is you who is coming out of this looking like a liar.


--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Wed Jan  8 16:18:23 PST 1997
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Doc Marten wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 19:22:23 +0000, Dene Bebbington
>  wrote in alt.revisionism:
 
[deleted]

> >Okay, not all deniers may be saying this, but you Mr Giwer constantly
> >accuse others of being liars.
> 
>         People are only accused of being liars when they are.  Those
> who pretend not to have read entire exchanges that occurred while they
> were full participants are clearly lying in their pretension.

Come off it, Matty.  You accuse everyone who disagrees with you, which
means everyone except congenital idiots like Kurt, "Doc" and Moron of
being liars.  You are simply projecting.  You lie so much, you
constantly contradict yourself, because you are too dumb to keep the
lies straight.

That's why you *lose* every time.

[deleted]

> >2. And that all Jews are liars and thieves.
> >
> >You certainly make comments that Jews are by default liars.
> 
>         Actually what I have read here is that kikes and holohuggers
> are liars.  Jews are neither kikes nor holohuggers.  Your pretention
> of otherwise is an example of a lie.  And that makes you a liar.

No, his statement is correct and that makes *you* a racist liar.  There
are dozens of quotes and dozens of references to your lying and
duplicity.

So, you *lose* again.

> >3. They hide their identities under false names
> >
> >Yep, he's got you well sussed Mr Giwer.
> 
>         There is no hiding.  But then Nizkor is a proven gang of
> thieves.  So what else is new?

Wrong again, Matty old souse.  You have used dozens of phoney names
because you are too spineless to post under your own name and you are
trying to keep the authorities off your trail.  Too bad it is not
working, since you are such a lousy forger, everyone can see through
you.

So, you *lose* again.

> >In the apposite words of Gord McFee: You *lose* again.
> 
>         It takes a very stupid person to quote McFly.

It takes even a stupider person to *lose* every time.  That makes you
*very* stupid, Matty.

But, oh so malleable.


--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time


From gmcfee@ibm.net Thu Jan  9 08:38:27 PST 1997
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>    Gord McFee  writes:
> 
[deleted]
> 
>      A cheap shot, Mr. Blackmore.  You dismiss evidence with a wave of your
>    hand, saying, "It is not acceptable because I don't believe it", and
> >  >   then you ask when *we* have acknowledged an obvious truth?  Rings hollow
> >  > >  to me.
> 
> COMMENT:  It is not acceptable to ME.  I have higher standards for evaluating the
> facts than other people appear to have.-rb

You have no standards at all, or else you would just once say *why* you
dismiss evidence with a cavalier wave of your hand.  When the evidence
is incontrovertible, you simply proclaim that you don't believe it, yet
you never show how and in which way the evidence is wrong in your
opinion.  That is a very unprofessional method of analysis and debate.

> >  You have been given lots of information to deal with.  You simply refuse
> >  to deal with it.

> COMMENT:  I can only reply that your opinions have no basis in fact, IMO.
> I have read through the testimony at the Belsen trial and I must simply call
> a spade a spade.  Most of the accusers come off as liars, or exaggerators,
> at best.  The Germans appear to be giving truthful testimony.  I say this
> simply because I have read through the transcripts and that is how I view
> it.  It is my opinion and I have never claimed anything more.  If you or Mr.
> Curtis get different feelings from reading the same text, you are both entitled
> to your opinons.  I simply happen to disagree with them, and I post my reasons
> why I believe the way I do.  As to the German torture allegations, I believe I have

> posted enough evidence in the past regarding this accusation, and I firmly believe
> it to be true.   Jewish Blood Libel and German Gas Chamber Libel both appear to be plain
> old fashioned HOAXES......

Fair enough.  "Because you say so" is the basis of your thesis.  Thank
you for admitting that you do not even attempt to carry out empirical
research, or engage in honest debate.


--
Gord McFee
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To: william c anderson 

william c anderson wrote:
> 
> tom moran (tm@pacificnet.net) wrote:
> 
> :       What? You mean they didn't accuse you of being a bad speller or
> : not being able to read the English language? Those are the worst ones.
> 
> I know, it's tough, Zeyde.  But Mr. Blackmore, in spite of being an
> antisemitic liar with overt Nazi sympathies, is in fact a very good
> speller, and has even demonstrated some ability to understand the
> English language.  You and Matt are still the only alingual types on

> alt.revisionism.
> 
> Best of Billy Anderson

I love it!  ROTFL.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Thu Jan  9 08:38:29 PST 1997
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From: Gord McFee 
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Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary, Moran!
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tom moran wrote:
> 
> >Keith Morrison wrote:
> >>
> >> In 4 days (Jan 8), Tom Moran reaches the milestone of having gone a full
> >> year without explaining why he decided to slander me in this newsgroup,
> >> saying that I advocated jailing revisionists for stating their opinions.
> >>
> >> Well, he still hasn't bothered to back up his claim, so I just wanted
> >> to remind the slimy yellow-bellied lying worm that the offer is still open.
> 
> Mr.VanAlstine:
> >Have no fear, Keith, he will never answer you.
> 
> Time from Moran's headers responding to this post.
> 
> Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary, Moran!
> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 13:20:27 GMT
> 
> Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary, Moran!
> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 14:21:11 GMT
> 
> Time from Mr.VanAlstine's header 5 hours later:
> 
> Subject: Re: Happy Anniversary, Moran!
> Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 19:32:53 -0500
> 
>         Looks like Mr.VanAlstine has written a line before it's time.
> 
> >Gord McFee
> 
> >I'll write no line before its time
> 
>         Poor Mr.VanAlstine.

Tommy, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but the words you
quoted (Don't worry Keith...") were *not* written by Mr. van Alstine,
they were written by MOI!  You're just going to have to do better,
zeyde.

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From gmcfee@ibm.net Thu Jan  9 08:38:30 PST 1997
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Richard Schultz wrote:
> 
> Keith Morrison (lonewolf@nbnet.nb.ca) wrote:
> 
> : Silly American person, try visiting Cavendish beach on Prince Edward
> : Peninsula (that large ugly outcrop of New Brunswick) in summer.
> 
> Which three days will that be?  I want to be sure to mark my calendar.

Very droll.  Compare the mean temperatures in the summer and get back to
me.

> (BTW, I was once on the coast of New Hampshire, where the water is about
> two dgrees above freezing even during the summer -- and the place was
> full of Canadians who had decided to go swimming somewhere where the
> water was *warm*.)

This is difficult to explain to you folks, but the water there is the
*ocean*.  It tends to be colder than the limp wrist fresh water lakes
and rivers.  But you knew that.

Much better for swimming, floating and tanning.


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Mgiwer wrote:
 
[deleted]

[McFee]
 
> Anything that happened to Giwer was brought on by Giwer.  He started the
> namecalling and he got what he deserved, including I might add, being
> booted from 4 or is it 5 now, ISPs in the last year.
> 
>      =====
>      Lets review the record.  When I first posted in this conference, I
> carefully refrained from any form of abuse but questioned a particular
> recording.  After continuing to question it, I was called a neo-nazi and
> an anti-semite.
>      Then the folks here started harrassing my son and my son's employer.
> Someone named Hardwire logged on and the harrassment of my son's employer
> started again.
>       As I posted I even got a email bragging about my son's website no
> longer being on his employer's ISP.
> 
>       Then a "Ken McVay" calls my father.  Then some one in this
> conference comes on and says he was lying then but not lying now, claiming
> to have been that Ken McVay.
> 
>       Then we come the constant harrassment of the ISPs I have used.  The
> pretension of course is that in some manner those ISPs just happened to
> come across my posts.  But then as Theresa Israels of Cybergate said, I've
> never had so many complaints about a customer.  It is fascinating that so
> many, many people could have been so upset that they were all inspired to
> call individually.

Come off it Matt.  You only told 1% of the story, and even that makes
you look like an ass.  You have become irrelevant.  Nobody cares what
you say any more.

You *lost* Matt.


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John Morris wrote:
> 
> In <32D32197.F18@ibm.net>, Gord McFee posting as Gord McFee
>  wrote:
> 
> >Rich Graves wrote:
> 
> >> Gord McFee  writes:
> >> >tom moran wrote:
> 
> >> >>         Like that little end table curiosity with the ball bearings
> >> >> hanging by strings, the ones where you pull one back and let it fall
> >> >> and it hits the next one which goes on to hit the next etc., and then
> >> >> they all get out of sync and start to slam into each other, that's
> >> >> Holocaust eyewitness testimony for you.
> 
> >> >You've really lost it, zeyde.  Seek help soon.
> 
> >> That sound you hear is the ticking of the time bomb in the moran's head...
> >> you don't want to be around when he blows.
> 
> >Thanks for the warning, Rich.  One thing for sure--if Moron ever does
> >blow his top, there is no danger of getting hit by flying brain matter.
> 
> It would at least have the virtue of being softer than pure bone.

Or, as we Canadians say, "pure eh".

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Roger Hughes wrote:
 
[deleted]
 
> As ol' Hymie would say "Such a deal!"

Excuse me, my father's nickname was Hymie and I don't remember him
saying that.  BTW, he was not Jewish. 

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tom moran wrote:
> 
> >You ought to try reading it, zeyde, before you comment.  Berg is one of
> >your "revisionist" "scholars".
> 
>         Zeyde doesn't fall all over the place when he hears or sees the
> word "scholar". Zeyde has learned from Socrates that the word scholar
> is but a word and would be prone to much discussion as to its ultimate
> authority.

>From  Socrates?!!  Zeyde, you're too much.



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From: Gord McFee 
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DvdThomas wrote:
> 
> Jamie McCarthy writes:

[deleted]

> 
> (2)  A stylized version of (1) which includes as much emotional content as
> it does factual, and attempts to focus on the mystery and evil of events
> in a near mystic way.  It has become a quasi-religious body of fact and
> conjecture which was dubbed The Holocaust in fairly recent times.  I
> believe that "holocaust" is a word used to distinguish between ordinary
> burnt offerings to G-d which are only partly consumed by the fire (and
> presumably utilized for food afterward) and those offered for more
> important occasions, which are consumed entirely by the fire.  The
> connection appears to be the bodies of gassing victims being consumed
> completely by the fires of the Krema, this equating to a holocaust
> offering to G-d.  (I am intending my spelling of that last word to be
> respectful of common useage by religious adherents.  If I err, correction
> would be appreciated.  Knowledge of religious practices isn't one of my
> long suits either.)

A correction would be appreciated.  To write it G-d implies that the
usage in this newsgroup follows some Jewish convention.  That is wrong
and ill-advised for a multitude of reasons.  You and I both know that
the huge majority of believers in a supreme being refer to him as God,
and not as G-d.


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tom moran wrote:
> 
> >tom moran wrote:
> >>
> >> >>Ereignismeldung UdSSR, No. 101, October 2 1941
> >> >>['The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The Free Press,
> >> >>NY, 1988, p. 67]
> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >>Einsatzgruppen C
> >> >>Standort Kiev
> >> >>
> >> >>In collaboration with the group staff and two Kommandos of Police
> >> >>Regiment South, on 29 and 30 September 1941, Sonderkommando 4a
> >> >>executed 33,771 Jews in Kiev.
> >>
> >>         You don't suppose it could have been more like 33,770 or 33,772
> >> do you? That is a pretty high number. Maybe they had one of those
> >> clicker counters. You know, as they were brought up to get shot there
> >> was a guy there clicking away. He could have missed one or two, or got
> >> a spasm and clicked twice on some. Either way, they sure kept a pretty
> >> good count.
> >
> >That's right, Moron.  After your Israel tree-counting gambit, I can see
> >how it would gall you that anyone can count past 10, but there are
> >people who can do so.
> >
> >Yes, the Germans did keep records of the numbers of Jews and others
> >"executed" by the Einsatzgruppen.  Really annoys you that these records
> >exist, doesn't it zeyde?
> 
>         The Russians released the German death account records from
> Auschwitz-Birkenau. Do they annoy you? Or do you have a special
> exclusionary statement for those?

Still playing that one zeyde?  The old "only the people who were
registered were ever in Auschwitz" game?  Can't you try something
original, zeyde?


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Fafner13 wrote:
> 
> :>Don't forget Doc Keren...
> 
> It's Dr. Keren.  Unlike the two losers I referred to above, Dr. Keren has
> earned the right to be called Dr.
 
> Comment:  He has also earned the right to be called other things.

Mr. Blackmore, if I were in your shoes right now, I wouldn't be too
quick to call people names.

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Elothem wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 21:59:37 -0500, Gord McFee  wrote
> in alt.revisionism:
> 
> >Mgiwer wrote:
> >
> >[deleted]
> >
> >[McFee]
> >
> >> Anything that happened to Giwer was brought on by Giwer.  He started the
> >> namecalling and he got what he deserved, including I might add, being
> >> booted from 4 or is it 5 now, ISPs in the last year.
> >>
> >>      =====
> >>      Lets review the record.  When I first posted in this conference, I
> >> carefully refrained from any form of abuse but questioned a particular
> >> recording.  After continuing to question it, I was called a neo-nazi and
> >> an anti-semite.
> >>      Then the folks here started harrassing my son and my son's employer.
> >> Someone named Hardwire logged on and the harrassment of my son's employer
> >> started again.
> >>       As I posted I even got a email bragging about my son's website no
> >> longer being on his employer's ISP.
> >>
> >>       Then a "Ken McVay" calls my father.  Then some one in this
> >> conference comes on and says he was lying then but not lying now, claiming
> >> to have been that Ken McVay.
> >>
> >>       Then we come the constant harrassment of the ISPs I have used.  The
> >> pretension of course is that in some manner those ISPs just happened to
> >> come across my posts.  But then as Theresa Israels of Cybergate said, I've
> >> never had so many complaints about a customer.  It is fascinating that so
> >> many, many people could have been so upset that they were all inspired to
> >> call individually.
> >
> >Come off it Matt.  You only told 1% of the story, and even that makes
> >you look like an ass.
> 
>         You are free to post the missing 99% any time you get to a
> keyboard.  I am certain everyone is interested in reading what you
> claim is left out.  Take all the screens you need and for 99% you will
> need a lot of them.

Poor loser.  I don't have to post a thing.  It's all there, on DejaNews,
on Nizkor--see, unlike you and your half-wit friends, there are some
people able to do research.  I just provide the URLs and let them do the
research.  I don't try to convince people what an ass you are; I just
point them to *your* words and let them realize for themselves what an
irrelevant misfit you are.  

You set up the rules and you lose by them--your *own* rules.  You have
become predictable and irrelevant.

> You have become irrelevant.  Nobody cares what
> >you say any more.
> 
>         Good.

Glad you agree.

> >You *lost* Matt.
> 
>         Even better.

Glad you agree again.  It was so easy.
 

--
Gord McFee
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From gmcfee@ibm.net Sun Jan 12 18:11:09 PST 1997
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Richard Schultz wrote:
> 
> Prince Myshkin (mgiwer@gte.net) wrote:
> 
> : I learned the correct modern usage of nigger from blacks
> 
> Okay guys.  I think that Giwer should be given an all-expense paid
> trip from Tampa to Harlem.  The purpose of his trip will be to explain
> to the locals his knowledge of the correct modern usage of "nigger."
> I will be more than happy to help underwrite the expenses for such
> a trip.  Who's in with me?

My pleasure.  Perhaps we could also include Blackmore, who claims that
"kike" is not an offensive word and to whom I offered the opportunity of
repeating the word "nigger" to Evander Holyfield, and then explain that
the word is not racist.

As for Matty, he has become so irrelevant, so demode.

Posted and e-mailed.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Mon Jan 13 07:13:53 PST 1997
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Ourobouros wrote:
> 
> Would you please remove all of my posts off your site?

No.
 
> Your cooperation would be appreciated.

Tough nookies.  You posted it--you toast it.  Life's a bitch.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Mon Jan 13 10:35:19 PST 1997
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In message <32d8886f.24633423@news.gte.net> - BOb@the.helm (Brian Oblivion)
writes:
:>
:>	Perhaps it only amuses me.
:>
:>	So many of these Jews who proclaim themselves atheists are
:>clearly lying else they would not be Jews.
:>
:>	Thus their self professed (but lying) claim to have no
:>religious involvement in this holocaust subject is clearly a lie.  
:>
:>	On the other hand, if they are atheists then they are clearly
:>members of a distinct cult that works for its own ends that has
:>nothing to do with religion. 
:>
:>	Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?  

My heavens, Matty, are you really reduced to this?  The same old spam,
recycled?

You really have *lost*.  And become so irrelevant.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Wed Jan 15 00:21:13 PST 1997
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From: gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
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Subject: Re: Jewish math: 6 million minus 2.5 million= 6million, of course!
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In message <5bbjvi$6te$1@gruvel.une.edu.au> - ibokor@metz.une.edu.au
(ibokor)12 Jan 1997 21:10:10 GMT writes:
:>
:>rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
:>: >   Gord McFee  writes:
:>: >  rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
:>: >  > 
:>: >  > >   Gord McFee  writes:
:>: >  > 
:>: >  > 
:>: >  >   You blew it, Mr. Blackmore.  Eichmann *admitted* that he had made that
:>: >  >   statement during his interrogations in Israel.
:>: >  > 
:>: >  
:>: >  > COMMENT:  I have never regarded the statements he allegedly made to the
:>: >  > Israelis as evidence.
:>:  
:>: 
:>:   He also made the statement to a German co-worker, who was the first
:>:   person to repeat it to others.  But I suppose you will say that person
:>:   was tortured. 
:>: 
:>: COMMENT:  Gossip.  hearsay.  Not relevant and inadmissible, IMO.--rb 
:>
:>Your opinion is hardly authoritative.
:>
:>Hoettl's testimony is *not* hearsay as to whether Eichmann admitted
:>to there having in fact been 6,000,000 Jews killed by Nazi Germany.
:>It is *evidence* attesting the fact that Eichmann believed in August
:>1944 that 6,000,000 Jews had been killed by Nazi Germany in the
:>course of the rise and demise of the 1,000 Year Reich.

Right.  And I would add that Eichmann *never once* denied having made the
statement, which the denier scum conveniently gloss over.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Wed Jan 15 08:27:45 PST 1997
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rblackmore@juno.com wrote:
> 
>   mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:
> 
> 
>  Sorry, Blackmore, I choose my own game.
> 
> 
>   Mike Curtis
>  E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
>   Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/
> 
> PS:  Perhaps you would care to post evidence that I am directed by "handlers"
> and how and why they "dropped" me.  This ought to be good....

Are you *sure* of that?  Care to put your money where your mouth is? 
*I* am.


Posted and e-mailed to Mr. Blackmore and Mr. Curtis.


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In message <32db0e6a.1727281@news.gte.net> - BOb@the.helm (Brian Oblivion)
writes:
:>
:>On Mon, 13 Jan 1997 16:03:21 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote
:>in alt.revisionism:
:>

[deleted]

:>>	The usual Holocaust numerical accounting, "$250 million" or twice
:>>that amount "$500 million". It always seems to be either one figure or
:>>2 X the figure, be it money, victims or whatever.
:>
:>	Yep, skimpy little trucks.  At $29 an ounce that is a bit under
:>2900 pounds per truck.  1 1/2 ton trucks, barely a pickup truck in the
:>US.   Real efficient there.  Just round up the good old boys and move
:>it out.  

Gee Matty, it must be awful to have become so irrelevant that the only person
you correspond with is the idiot Moron.

I guess you *lose* again.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Wed Jan 15 08:27:47 PST 1997
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From: gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
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Subject: Re: Some Information Concerning the Great Revisionist Scholar Ditlieb Felderer
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In message <32DC070B.569D@nbnet.nb.ca> - Keith Morrison
Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:22:03 -0400 writes:
:>
:>Jamie McCarthy wrote:
:>> 
:>> hoffman@hoffman-info.com (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:
:>> 
:>> > Subject: Some Information Concerning the Great Revisionist Scholar Ditlieb Felderer
:>> 
:>> Mr. Hoffman!  I'm glad to see you're back.
:>
:>Does this mean the second coming of the Old Gang?  Does this mean Berg,
:>Vicksell, Landpost and (*gasp*) Gannon might be making a comeback?

I don't think so, although they must be thoroughly embarrassed at the
miserable performance of their so-called successors.  The last I heard, Gannon
was peddling porn, and mucking around in the 24th dimension, Vicksell had
"retired", Landpost (Timmie) had found religion and Berg may be dead for all
we know.  BTW, the deniers don't want Berg back, his nutsy gas chamber stuff
notwithstanding.  Old Friedrich admitted *in this here newsgroup* that (a) the
Posen speech is authentic (that is, it is Himmler's voice on the recording)
and (b) "ausrotten" means "exterminate".  It was not long after that that he
disappeared.

:>The mind boggles.  The sides split.

The stomach churns.


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From gmcfee@ibm.net Wed Jan 15 08:27:47 PST 1997
Article: 92981 of alt.revisionism
From: gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
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Subject: Re: 970114: UN Casts Its Eye On Ernst Zundel
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In message  -
zundel-repost@alpha.c2.org (E. Zundel Repost) writes:

[deleted]

:>------------ BEGIN ZUNDELGRAM MESSAGE ------------
:>
:>January 14, 1996
:>
:>Good Morning from the Zundelsite:
:>
:>This morning I woke up to some four pages of the January issue of
:>"Germania" - the German version of Ernst Zundel's monthly report to his
:>financial and moral supporters on what will happen next.

My God, it must have been terrifying to wake up to that!

:>One of the headlines says, translated:
:>
:>"Ernst Zundel is appealing to the 25 most influential global Human Rights
:>organizations to assist Germans, especially German Revisionists and
:>dissidents, to regain and retain THEIR human rights."

Oh Bullscheisse, they never lost their rights in the first place.

:>When Ernst first said that he was now prepared to take on the UN, most
:>people scoffed, and many felt that he was shifting his resources into an
:>area made much too slippery with droppings from those bounteous do-gooders
:>on which the Evil Forces slide our once-proud and accomplished Western
:>civilization right into the abyss.

Trust me, people are still scoffing at the only brave warrior in the world to
craven to defend his right to debate by debating.

:>But there is something to be said for the fastidious Zundel nose when it
:>comes to discerning just what it is, this time around, that's smelling up
:>the air.

The air does stink, but it isn't the Zuendel *nose* causing the stink.

[Nazi Krap deleted]


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From: gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
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In message <32DBA1B8.1F5B@kaiwan.com> - 5 -0800 writes:
:>
:>Brian Oblivion wrote:
:>> (snip)
:>> 
:>>         Those who imagine it could have happened without literally tons
:>> of documentation are ignorant of the problem in the extreme.
:>> 
:>> =====
:>
:>We are often told that the plan to build and employ Nazi gas chambers
:>for the execution of Jews was the deepest of secrets. We know for a fact
:>that many inmates of claimed extermination centers such as
:>Auschwitz/Birkenau, and most of the construction crew, were allowed to
:>leave the camp. This implies that none of the inmates or construction
:>crew could have known the purpose for which the crematories were built,
:>as to the best of my knowledge, none of the released inmates and none of
:>the construction workers have come forward to testify that they knew all
:>about the Nazi gas chambers while they were being built.

Well, Greg, as usual, your knowledge is deficient ( to put it charitably). 
There is lots of evidence about the builders and users of the gas chambers
knowing exactly what they were all about.  I take it you have chosen to ignore
this evidence, which surprises me not a bit.

Just for starters, try reading Hilberg's _Destruction of the European Jews_
and Goldhagen's _Hitler's Willing Executioners_.  Happy trails.

Posted and e-maied to ensure Greg's usual non-response.


--
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From: gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee)
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Subject: Re: Madeline Albright: Double Standard for the Daughter of an alleged Jewish Communist?
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In message <5bguu3$cu2@lendl.cc.emory.edu> - libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu
(william c anderson)14 Jan 1997 21:47:47 GMT writes:
:>
:>Michael A. Hoffman II (hoffman@hoffman-info.com) wrote:
:>: 
:>: However, IF it is true that Albright's father was a Communist under
:>: Stalin, as has been alleged (though I have seen no confirmation of
:>: this)--a Communist who was later purged--why are there no questions at the
:>: hearings about any possible role he may have played in Stalin's genocide
:>: (estimated at 60 million victims)?
:>
:>I dunno.  Just off the top of my head, I'd say it's because Albright's 
:>father hasn't been nominated for anything.
:>
:>Duh, Michael.  Try to come up with something a little more challenging
:>next time, huh?

Trust me, Bill, Hoffmann is doing the best he can.


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