From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:52:52 PDT 1995 Article: 8569 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Isreal War crimes Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:36:40 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Statutes of Limitation Pertaining to War Criminals in Israel According to an AP release of August 29, 1995 and other wire services, Israel is not going to prosecute self-admitted Israeli mass murderers and war criminals who have confessed their deeds in public. The reason given? The crimes occurred ". . . too long ago". Readers of the Zundel site will remember that Israel did not apply this reasoning equally pertaining to the charges against John Demjanjuk. Readers will also remember that Jews in many countries mounted a series of demonstrations outside German consulates and embassies in 1965-1966 about extending the German statutes of limitation until the then-German government caved in and extended their statutes of limitations for another ten years. In 1975-1976 this tactic was repeated, and the German statutes of limitation were lifted entirely. Many people ask why "Nazi Hunters" Sol Littman of Toronto and Rabbi Hier of the Wiesenthal Center do not now insist that the Jewish state forthwith lift its statutes of limitation so its war criminals can be brought to justice. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:52:53 PDT 1995 Article: 8571 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Was there really a Holocaust?? Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:34:09 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 302 Message-ID: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ---------------------- Get the "Identity.faq" and many other files by anonymous FTP from: ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA ------------------------------------------------- WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST? By Dr. E. R. Fields The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews actual took place. NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people? With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4 million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that 800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet there is no historical evidence supporting this claim. The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz." Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth". It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure 20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an "extermination camp". HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS" Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source, Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.") The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever, emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production. Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.) On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to 2.8% in June 1943. The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in 1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?" With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the "Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland. THE PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace. Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5, "No gassing took place in any camp on German soil." The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross, English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or believe in rumors of gassings. This brings up the following questions. 1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims. 2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000 MASS GASSINGS! 3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also died from typhus. 4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers. the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946.) FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to 1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of 1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it. Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he died in his cell. Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines. They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and smoking." Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED ALL WOULD HAVE DIED! GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and "became immediately gaseous." The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become instantly gaseous upon exposure to air." CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas which carry typhus. THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL! In these three camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of >from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever stored at the camps for cremations. A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens. In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition: "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass burning." WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION??? On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of ashes. It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!" WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40 books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal, 1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those camps." Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there." Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962. "The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time." Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose principal beneficiary is the state of Israel." WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a holocaust which never occurred? Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti- Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists." S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who will cowtow to the Jews." Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling of collective indebtedness to the Jews." Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust victims. The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come. That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation laws. A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund- raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for 38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people. HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of Zionist political goals. WHAT ABOUT REAL HOLOCAUSTS? Why doesn't the press, TV and film industry give massive media attention to real victims to proven holocausts of Gentiles in recent history. THE SOVIET-BOLSHEVIK HOLOCAUST OF CHRISTIANS: RUSSIAN KULAK FARMERS (1928-1930) 15 million exterminated. UKRANIAN FARMERS (1930-1933) 7 Million exterminated. RUSSIAN POLITICAL PRISONERS (1919-1949) 12 million exterminated. Total peoples murdered by Lenin and Stalin. 34 million. CAMBODIAN extermination 1975 2.5 million. ARMENIAN extermination by the Turks, 1915, 1.5 million. ---------------------------------------------------------------- For a very interesting presentation on the "Images of the Holocaust" order the following tape from Scriptures For America, PO Box 766-c, LaPorte, CO 80535, for a $4.00 offering: __353 The Six Million Holocaust by Ernst Zundel - Canadian German activist discusses the book & movie of fiction called Schindler's List. Mr. Zundel also talks about the images and scenes of the alledged "holocaust" of the Jews and how these images have been used to portray a false version of history from the W.W. II era. ---------------------- Get the "Identity.faq" and many other files by anonymous FTP from: ftp.netcom.com /pub/SF/SFA ------------------------------------------------- From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:52:54 PDT 1995 Article: 8572 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Holocaust Facts Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:25:00 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 70 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 [I have transcribed the following from the first page of a FAX:] When will THE TRUTH of THE HOLOCAUST, in all aspects, (potentially the 'Expose of the Century') be forthcoming? GAS CHAMBER FACTS Under oath during the Ernst Zundel trial in Canada, one of the Holocaust authorities, Raul Hilberg, author of _The Destruction of the European Jews_, pressed for scientific evidence of any kind about gas chambers anywhere in Nazi-occupied territory, could but offer the notorious "I'm at a loss." During the same trial another Holocaust authority, Rudolf Vrba, admitted the lies he told about gas chambers were errors "in good faith." He confessed that his book, _I Cannot Forgive_, was "an artistic picture...not a document for a court." He agreed that he had never actually witnessed anybody gassed to death, but had heard rumors! He further admitted that his written and pictorial description of Auschwitz crematoria were a result of guessing, based on "what I heard it might look like" (Cf. _Toronto Sun_, Jan. 24, 1985, p. 52). Vrba turned out to be as big a fraud as Hilberg. DIARY OF ANNE FRANK FACTS Laboratory tests have shown that portions of _The Diary of Anne Frank_ were written with a ball point pen. Ball point pens were not available before 1951. It was concluded that those sections were added after Anne's death. The _Diary_ appears in some nine versions, not even counting the English language editions. The successive forms of the text of the _Diary_, exposed by Dr. Robert Faurisson (French specialist of text and document analysis), are as follows: I. The manuscript of Anne Frank; II. Copy by Otto Frank, then by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern; III. New version of the copy by Otto Frank and Isa Cauvern; IV. New-new version of the copy by Albert Cauvern; V. New-new-new version by Otto Frank; VI. New-new-new-new version by Otto Frank and the "Censors"; VII. Contact Edition (1947); VIII. Lambert Schneider Edition (1950), radically different from the proceeding one, and even incompatible with it; IX. Fischer Edition (1955) taking up again the preceding one in a "discreetly" reworked and retouched form. No wonder the Zionists use every conceivable legal, economic, political, defamatory and violent ploy to stop the questioning of THE HOLOCAUST. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING TO AVOID OPEN DEBATE. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:52:55 PDT 1995 Article: 8573 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Is the holocaust a HOAX? Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:25:37 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 120 Message-ID: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 IS THE HOLOCAUST A HOAX? Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax. Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers. In 1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly evident on all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter found no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms. In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove Leuchter's findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever occurring. The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely faulty. These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the Germans had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died themselves, as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also, no equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chambers. There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floors or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed. Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We have been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these persons died of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those were murdered Germans, not Jews. Roughly the equivalent of ten football fields should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, yet not one body has ever been discovered. The Germans documented everything in meticulous detail from shrubbery to arbors, but no pre-war or wartime plans or documents exist that detail or even mention any gas chambers for reasons of genocide. All documents ever presented were drawn up AFTER the war. Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every so-called gas chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six million Jews! Even _The Diary of Anne Frank_ is a hoax. Portions of the diary were written with a ball point pen. These pens were not in use at the time Anne Frank lived. It is not denied concentration camps existed. Tragically, many died of typhus or starvation, as often happens in such situations. There is, however, no evidence that any gassings occurred for the reasons of genocide. Israel continues to receive trillions of dollars worldwide as retribution for Holocaust gassings. Our country has donated more money to Israel than to any other country in the history of the world -- over $35 billion per year, everything included. If not for our extravagantly generous gifts to Israel, every family in America could afford a brand new Mercedes Benz. Surely the American people would be outraged if they realized their hard-earned money is being squandered in these difficult times. With all this money at stake for Israel, it is easy to comprehend why this Holocaust hoax is so secretly guarded. The Jewish name for Holocaust is "Shoah." In Zionist circles, it is known as "Shoah Business." If nothing else, this unbelievable coverup demonstrates the irrepressible Zionist influence and control of our country. Their only defense against the facts is to cry out "antisemitic," "Skinhead" or "Nazi," whereas the majority of those who question the Holocaust are ordinary citizens...though you would never know it from the media. In whatever way you can, please help shatter this profitable myth. It is time we stop sacrificing America's welfare for the sake of Israel and spend our hard-earned dollars on Americans. For more information contact: The Institute for Historical Review P.O. Box 2739 Newport Beach, CA 92659 United States of America Written and distributed by a concerned private citizen. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:52:56 PDT 1995 Article: 8574 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: 66 Questions about the Holocaust Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:26:06 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 471 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 66 Questions and Answers On The Holocaust Published By The Institute For Historical Review P.O. Box 1306 * Torrance, California 90505 * U.S.A. 1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS? None. The only evidence is the testimony of individual "Survivors." This Testimony is contradictory, and no "survivor" claims to have actually witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever: no mounds of ashes, no crematoria capable of doing the job, no piles of clothes, no human soap, no lamp shades made of human skin, no records, no demographic statistics. 2. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT SIX MILLION JEWS WERE NOT KILLED BY THE NAZIS? Extensive evidence, including that of forensic, demographic, analytical, and comparative nature, exists proving the impossibility of such a figure. An exaggeration of, perhaps, 1000%. 3. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE STATE IN WRITING THAT "THERE WERE NO EXTERMINATION CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL"? Yes. In Books & Bookmen, April 1975 issue. He claims the "gassing" of Jews took place in Poland. 4. IF DACHAU WAS IN GERMANY AND EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL SAYS THAT IT WAS NO AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF VETERANS IN AMERICA SAY THAT IT WAS AN EXTERMINATION CAMP? Because after the Allies captured Dachau, thousands of G.I.s were led through Dachau and shown buildings alleged to be gas chambers, and because of the mass media widely, but falsely, stated that Dachau was a "gassing" camp. 5. AUSCHWITZ WAS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING HUMAN BEINGS EXISTED AT OR IN AUSCHWITZ? No. A reward of $50,000 was offered for such proof, the money being held in trust by a bank, but no one came up with any credible evidence. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was extensively modified after the war and mortuaries were reconstructed to look like large "gas chambers." It is now a big tourist attraction for the communist Polish government. 6. IF AUSCHWITZ WASN'T A "DEATH CAMP," WHAT WAS IT'S TRUE PURPOSE? It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber (Buna) was made there, and its inmate were used as a work-force. The Buna process was used in the U.S. during WWII. 7. WHO SET UP THE FIRST CONCENTRATION CAMPS, AND WHERE AND WHEN? The first use of concentration camps in the Western world was apparently in America during the Revolutionary War. The British interned thousands of Americans, many of whom died of disease and beatings. Andrew Jackson and his brother -- who died -- were two. Later the British set up concentration camps in South Africa to hold Dutch women and children during their conquest of that country (The Boer War). Tens of thousands died in these hell-holes, which were far worse than any German concentration camp of WWII. 8. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING WWII? Except for the name, the only significant difference was that the Germans interned persons on the basis of being a real or suspected threat to the German war effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of race alone. 9. WHY DID THE GERMANS INTERN JEWS IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS? Because the Germans considered Jews a direct threat to their national sovereignty and survival, and because Jews were overwhelmingly represented in communist subversion. However, all suspected security risks -- not only Jews -- were in danger of internment. 10. WHAT EXTENSIVE MEASURE DID WORLD JEWRY UNDERTAKE AGAINST GERMANY AS EARLY AS 1933? An international boycott of German goods. 11. DID THE JEWS OF THE WORLD "DECLARE WAR ON GERMANY"? Yes. The world media carried the headlines, "Judea Declares War on Germany." 12. WAS THIS BEFORE OR AFTER THE RUMORS OF THE "DEATH CAMPS" BEGAN? Nearly six years before: Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. 13. WHAT NATION IS CREDITED WITH BEING THE FIRST TO PRACTICE MASS CIVILIAN BOMBING? Great Britain -- on May 11th, 1940. 14. HOW MANY GAS CHAMBERS TO KILL PEOPLE WERE THERE AT AUSCHWITZ? None. 15. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS THAT CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY GERMANS BEFORE THE WAR? Less than four million. 16. IF THE JEWS OF EUROPE WERE NOT EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM? After the war the Jews of Europe were still in Europe except for perhaps 300,000 of them who had died of all causes during the war, and those who had emigrated to Israel, the United States, Argentina, Canada etc.. Most Jews who left Europe did so after, not during, the war. They are all accounted for. 17. HOW MANY JEWS FLED TO DEEP WITHIN THE SOVIET UNION? Over two million. The Germans did not have access to this Jewish population. 18. HOW MANY JEWS EMIGRATED PRIOR TO THE WAR, THUS BEING OUTSIDE OF GERMAN REACH? Over a million (not including those absorbed by the USSR). 19. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID THE COMMANDANT, RUDOLF HOESS, CONFESS THAT IT WAS? Time honored methods were used to get him to tell his captors what they wanted to hear. 20. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT TORTURE WAS USED BY AMERICAN, BRITISH, AND SOVIET CAPTORS TO FORCE "CONFESSIONS" OF GERMAN OFFICIALS AFTER THE WAR? There is extensive evidence of torture having been used both before and during the infamous Nuremberg trials -- and after, in the case of other war crimes trials. 21. HOW DOES THE "HOLOCAUST" STORY BENEFIT THE JEWS TODAY? It removes them from any criticism as a group. It provides a "common bond" with which their leaders can control them. It is instrumental in money-raising campaigns and to justify aid to Israel, totaling about $10 billion a year. 22. HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE STATE OF ISRAEL? It justifies the billions of dollars in "reparations" the State of Israel has received from West Germany (East Germany refused to pay). It is used by the Zionist/Israeli lobby to control American foreign policy toward Israel and to force American taxpayers to put up all the money Israel wants. And the annual ante is growing each year. 23. HOW DOES IT BENEFIT MANY CHRISTIAN CLERGYMEN? It correlates with the Old Testament idea of Jews being the persecuted "Chosen People". It also keeps the Israeli-controlled "Holy Land" accessible to the clergy. 24. HOW DOES IT BENEFIT THE COMMUNISTS? It hides the extent of their own war-mongering and atrocities before, during, and after the War. 25. HOW DOES IT BENEFIT BRITAIN? In the same way it benefits the Soviet Union. 26. IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT HITLER KNEW OF A MASS EXTERMINATION OF JEWS? No. 27. WHAT KIND OF GAS WAS USED BY THE NAZIS IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS? Zyklon-B, a hydrocyanic gas. 28. FOR WHAT PURPOSE WAS, AND IS, THIS GAS MANUFACTURED? For the extermination of the typhus-bearing louse. It is used to fumigate clothing and quarters. It is readily available today. 29. WHY DID THEY USE THIS INSTEAD OF A GAS MORE SUITABLE FOR MASS EXTERMINATION? If the Nazis had intended to use gas to exterminate people, far more efficient gases were available. Zyklon-B is very inefficient except when used as a fumigation agent. 30. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO FULLY VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED BY ZYKLON-B? About 20 hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well-trained technicians only are employed. 31. AUSCHWITZ COMMANDANT HOESS SAID THAT HIS MEN WOULD ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE THEM. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS? It can't be explained because if they had done this they would have suffered the same fate as the previous occupants. 32. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION MEN WOULD SMOKE CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED THE DEAD JEWS OUT OF THE GAS CHAMBERS TEN MINUTES AFTER GASSING. ISN'T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE? Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false. 33. WHAT WAS THE EXACT PROCEDURE THE NAZIS ALLEGEDLY USED TO EXTERMINATE JEWS? The stories range from dropping the gas canisters into a crowded room from a hole in the ceiling, to piping it through shower heads. "Millions" of Jews are alleged to have been killed in this manner. 34. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET FROM THE JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXTERMINATION? It couldn't have been kept secret. The fact is that there was no such mass gassing anywhere. The rumors came from strictly Jewish sources. 35. IF THE JEWS SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION KNEW THE FATE IN STORE FOR THEM, WHY DID THEY GO TO THEIR DEATH WITHOUT FIGHT OR PROTEST? They didn't fight or protest simply because there was no intention to kill them. They were simply interned and forced to work. 36. ABOUT HOW MANY JEWS DIED IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS? About 300,000 37. HOW DID THEY DIE? Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn Europe during the period. Also from starvation and lack of medical attention toward the end of the war when virtually all road and rail transportation had been bombed out by the Allies. 38. WHAT IS TYPHUS? The disease always appears when many people are jammed together for long periods without bathing. It is carried by lice which infest hair and clothes. Armies and navies have traditionally required short haircuts on their men because of the danger of typhus. Ironically, if the Germans had had more Zyklon-B, more Jews might have survived life in the concentration camps. 39. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IF SIX MILLION OR 300,000 JEWS DIED DURING THIS AWESOME PERIOD? 5,700,000. Besides -- and contrary to "Holocaust" propaganda -- there was no deliberate attempt to exterminate anyone. 40. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE "DEATH CAMPS" SAY THEY SAW BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD HAVE TO BE USED TO PERFORM THIS? A great deal more than the Germans had access to as there was a substantial fuel shortage at the time. 41. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS? No! It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by flames in this manner, as not enough heat can be generated in open pits. 42. "HOLOCAUST" AUTHORS CLAIM THAT THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE BODIES IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A BODY ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL CREMATOR OPERATORS? About -2 Hours-. WHY DID THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS? To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses created by the typhus epidemics. 44. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE CREMATORIES IN ALL THE CAMPS IN GERMAN CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CORPSES IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE DURING THE ENTIRE PERIOD SUCH CREMATORIUMS WERE IN OPERATION? About 430,600. 45. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% ALL OF THE TIME? No. 50% of the time is a generous estimate (12 hours per day.) Cremator ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly when in heavy operation. 46. HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED CORPSE? After the bone is all ground down, about a shoebox-full. 47. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE HAD BEEN INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ASHES? That remains to be "explained". Six million bodies would produce literally tons upon tons of ashes. Yet there is no evidence of any large depositories of such ash. 48. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ (DURING THE PERIOD WHEN THE "GAS CHAMBERS" AND CREMATORIA WERE SUPPOSED TO BE IN FULL OPERATION) REVEAL GAS CHAMBERS? No. In fact, these photographs do not even reveal a trace of the enormous amounts of smoke which were supposedly constantly over the camp. Nor do they evidence the "open pits" in which bodies were allegedly burned. 49. WHAT WAS THE MAIN PROVISION OF THE GERMAN "NUREMBERG LAWS" OF 1935? Laws against intermarriage and sexual relations between Germans and Jews similar to laws existing in Israel today. 50. WERE THERE ANY AMERICAN PRECEDENTS FOR THE NUREMBERG LAWS? Many states in the U.S.A. had laws preventing intermarriage and sexual relations between persons of different races long before the Nazis. 51. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO REPORT WITH REGARD TO THE "HOLOCAUST" QUESTION? A report on the visit of an IRC delegate to Auschwitz in September of 1944 pointed out that internees were permitted to receive packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. 52. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME THE SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGED TO HAVE BEEN EXTERMINATED? If there had been an extermination plan, the Vatican would most certainly have been in a position to know. But since there was none, the Vatican had no reason to speak out against it. 53. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT HITLER KNEW OF THE ON-GOING JEWISH EXTERMINATION? None. 54. DID THE NAZIS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE? Yes. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews from Europe and maintained friendly relations throughout the war. 56. WHAT CAUSED ANNE FRANK'S DEATH JUST SEVERAL WEEKS BEFORE THE END OF THE WAR? Typhus. 57. IS THE ANNE FRANK DIARY GENUINE? No, the evidence compiled by Ditlieb Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves conclusively that the famous diary is a literary hoax. 57. WHAT ABOUT THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FOOTAGE TAKEN IN THE GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING PILES OF EMACIATED CORPSES? ARE THESE FAKED? Photographs can be faked, Yes. But it is far easier merely to add a caption or a comment to a photo or piece of footage that does not tell the truth about what the photo or film really shows. Does a pile of emaciated corpses mean that these people were "gassed" or deliberately starved to death? Or could this mean that these people were victims of a raging typhus epidemic or starved due to the lack of food in the camps towards the end of the war? Pictures of piles of German women and children killed in Allied bombing raids have been passed off as dead Jews. 57. WHO ORIGINATED THE TERM "GENOCIDE"? Raphael Lemkin, a Polish Jew, in a book which appeared in 1944. 59. WERE FILMS SUCH AS "HOLOCAUST" AND "THE WINDS OF WAR" DOCUMENTARY FILMS? No, the films do not claim to be history, rather fictional dramatizations based on history. Unfortunately, all too many people have taken them to be accurate representations of history as it really happened. 60. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME ASPECT OF THE STANDARD CLAIMS MADE ABOUT THE "HOLOCAUST"? At least 60. More are in process of production. 61. WHAT HAPPENED WHEN A HISTORICAL INSTITUTE OFFERED $50,000 TO ANYONE WHO COULD PROVE THAT JEWS WERE GASSED AT AUSCHWITZ? No proof was submitted as a claim on the reward, but the institute was sued for $17 million by a "Holocaust" survivor who claims the reward offer caused him to lose sleep, caused his business to suffer, and represented "injurious denial of an established fact". 62. WHAT ABOUT THE CLAIM THAT THOSE WHO QUESTION THE "HOLOCAUST" ARE ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZI? This is a smear designed to draw attention away from the facts and honest arguments. Scholars who refute "Holocaust" claims are of all persuasions -- Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Socialists, Christians, Jews etc.. There is no correlation between "Holocaust" refutation and anti-Semitism or Neo-Nazism. As a mater of fact, there are increasing numbers of Jewish scholars who openly admit that evidence for the "Holocaust" is severely lacking. 63. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE HISTORIANS WHO HAVE QUESTIONED "HOLOCAUST" MATERIAL? They have been subject to smear campaigns, loss of academic positions, loss of pensions, destructions of their property and physical violence. 64. HAS THE INSTITUTE FOR HISTORICAL REVIEW SUFFERED ANY RETALIATION FOR IT'S EFFORTS TO UPHOLD THE RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND ACADEMIC FREEDOM? The IHR has been bombed three times and picketed twice, with demonstrators from the Jewish Defense League flying the Israeli flag and shouting death threats. Death threats by telephone are virtually a daily occurrence. All newspaper coverage is hostile if there is any coverage at all. 65. WHY IS THERE SO LITTLE PUBLICITY FOR YOUR POINT OF VIEW? Because for political reasons the Establishment does not want any in-depth discussion about the facts discussing the "Jewish Holocaust" myth. 66. WHERE CAN I GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE "OTHER SIDE" OF THE "HOLOCAUST" STORY AS WELL AS FACTS CONCERNING OTHER AREAS OF WWII HISTORICAL REVISIONISM? The Institute for Historical Review, P.O. Box 1306, Torrance, Ca. 90505 carries a wide variety of books, cassette and video tapes on significant historical subjects. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:52:57 PDT 1995 Article: 8575 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: The Jewish soap hoax Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:27:15 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 346 Message-ID: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Falsus in Uno, Falsus in Omnibus... The "Human Soap" Holocaust Myth After years of stonewalling, both the _New York Times_ (December 21, 1991) and the _Washington Post_ (January 15, 1992) now editorially acknowledge that it is both ethical and permissible to debate the historical issues surrounding the Holocaust story. The nation's two premier newspapers thus reject statements by officials of major Jewish organizations and of many American colleges and universities, who are still not willing to admit that a First Amendment issue is involved here, and that freedom of speech and freedom of inquiry pertain even to the Holocaust controversy. On campus, the free speech issue is this: Should college students be granted the rights of adults and allowed free access to Revisionist scholarship on the Holocaust, or should students be treated as children, protected from radical scholarship out of fear that with new understanding they might help undermine a "politically correct" view of contemporary history? For half a century now historians have told us that during World War II the Nazis had a policy to exterminate the Jews of Europe, along with homosexuals and Gypsies. We are told that millions were "gassed" at German camps such as Auschwitz and Treblinka. We have been told that the ghastly process of mass murder was also carried out in Belzec, Buchenwald and Sobibor. And aren't there thousands of survivors who "escaped the gas ovens" and swear that all this is true? And didn't the Nazis make lamp shades from human skin, and manufacture soap from the fat of exterminated Jews? Of course, you may answer, everyone knows it. After all, aren't such bars of "Jewish soap" on display in museums in Israel and other countries? How can there be any doubt? "Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus," or "false in one thing, false in everything," was a Roman legal principle. If a witness may not be believed in one thing, he should not be believed in anything. This principle is as valid today as it was two thousand years ago. With this in mind, I invite you to read the essay below, condensed from an article by historian Mark Weber that originally appeared in the Summer 1991 issue of _The Journal of Historical Review_. I urge you to consider whether any of the individuals or institutions that have contributed to the perpetuation of the debasing "human soap" hoax deserve to be believed about anything they say about the "Holocaust." -Bradley R. Smith _________________________________________________________________ ______ "Jewish Soap" By Mark Weber NEARLY EVERYONE HAS HEARD that the Germans killed six million Jews in Europe during the Second World War. Television, motion pictures, newspapers and magazines hammer away on this theme. Revisionist Scholars In recent decades, though, more and more "Revisionist" historians have been challenging the widely accepted extermination story. Revisionists do not "deny the Holocaust." They acknowledge that large numbers of Jews were stripped of their rights and property, cruelly deported to horrible concentration camps and ghettos, and that many hundreds of thousands of Jews died or were killed during the Second World War. At the same time, though, Revisionist scholars point out that numerous Holocaust stories that were once accepted as true have been quietly abandoned in recent years. A Lurid Story One of the most lurid Holocaust claims is the story that the Germans manufactured soap from the bodies of their victims. Although a similar charge during the First World War was exposed as a hoax almost immediately afterwards, it was nevertheless revived and widely believed during the Second. More important, this accusation was "proved" at the main Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946, and has been authoritatively endorsed by numerous historians in the decades since. In recent years, though, as part of a broad retreat from the most obviously untenable aspects of the "orthodox" extermination story, Holocaust historians have grudgingly conceded that the human soap tale is a wartime propaganda lie. In their retreat, though, these historians have tried to dismiss the soap story as a mere wartime "rumor," neglecting to mention that international Jewish organizations, and then Allied governments, endorsed and sanctioned this libelous canard. Wartime rumors that the Germans were manufacturing soap from the corpses of slaughtered Jews were based in part on the fact that soap bars distributed by German authorities in Jewish ghettos and camps bore the impressed initials "RIF," which many took to stand for "Rein judisches Fett" or "Pure Jewish Fat." (It did not seem to matter that the letters were "RIF" and not "RJF.") These rumors spread so widely in 1941 and 1942 that by late 1942 German authorities in Poland and Slovakia were expressing official concern about their impact. According to a Polish source quoted in a secret wartime U.S. Army military intelligence report, for example, the Germans were operating a "human soap factory" in 1941 at Turek, Poland. "The Germans had brought thousands of Polish teachers, priests and Jews there and after extracting the blood serum from their bodies, had thrown them on large pots and melted off grease to make soap," the intelligence report added. War Propaganda In spite of its inherently incredible character, the soap story became an important feature of Allied war propaganda. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, wartime head of both the World Jewish Congress and the American Jewish Congress, publicly charged in November 1942 that Jewish corpses were being "processed into such war-vital commodities as soap, fats and fertilizer" by the Germans. He further announced that the Germans were "even exhuming the dead for the value of the corpses," and were paying fifty marks for each body. In late 1942, the _Congress Weekly_, published by the American Jewish Congress, editorialized that the Germans were turning Jews "by scientific methods of dissolution into fertilizer, soap and glue." An article in the same issue reported that Jewish deportees from France and Holland were being processed into "soap, glue and train oil" in at least two special factories in Germany. Typical of many other American periodicals, the influential _New Republic_ reported in early 1943 that the Germans were "using the bodies of their Jewish victims to make soap and fertilizer in a factory at Siedlce." After the war the soap story was given important legitimacy at the main Nuremberg trial. L. N. Smirnov, Chief Counsellor of Justice for the USSR, declared to the Tribunal: ...The same base, rationalized SS technical minds which created gas chambers and murder vans, began devising such methods of complete annihilation of human bodies, which would not only conceal the traces of their crimes, but also to serve in the manufacturing of certain products. In the Danzig Anatomical Institute, semi-industrial experiments in the production of soap from human bodies and the tanning of human skin for industrial purposes were carried out. Smirnov quoted at length from an affidavit by Sigmund Mazur, an Institute employee, which was accepted as Nuremberg exhibit USSR-197. It alleged that Dr. Rudolf Spanner, the head of the Danzig Institute, had ordered the production of soap from corpses in 1943. According to Mazur's affidavit, Dr. Spanner's operation was of interest to high- ranking German officials. Education Minister Bernhard Rust and Health Leader Dr. Leonardo Conti, as well as professors from other medical institutes, came to witness Spanner's efforts. Mazur also claimed to have used the "human soap" to wash himself and his laundry. A human soap "recipe," allegedly prepared by Dr. Spanner (Nuremberg document USSR-196), was also presented. Finally, a sample of what was supposed to be a piece of "human soap" was submitted to the Nuremberg Tribunal as exhibit USSR-393. In his closing address to the Tribunal, chief British prosecutor Sir Hartley Shawcross echoed his Soviet colleague: "On occasion, even the bodies of their [the Germans'] victims were used to make good the wartime shortage of soap." And in their final judgment, the Nuremberg Tribunal judges found that "attempts were made to utilize the fat from the bodies of the victims in the commercial manufacture of soap." It is worth emphasizing here that the "evidence" presented at the Nuremberg Tribunal for the bogus soap story was no less substantial than the "evidence" presented for the claims of mass extermination in "gas chambers." At least in the former case, an actual sample of soap supposedly made from corpses was submitted in evidence. Witnesses and Historians After the war, supposed Holocaust victims were solemnly buried, in the form of soap bars, in Jewish cemeteries. In 1948, for example, four such bars wrapped in a funeral shroud were ceremoniously buried according to Jewish religious ritual at the Haifa cemetery in Israel. Other bars of "Jewish soap" have been displayed as grim Holocaust relics in Israel and other countries. Numerous Jews who lived in German ghettos and camps during the war helped keep the soap story alive many years later. Neese Godin, for one, was transferred from a ghetto in Lithuania to the Stutthof concentration camp in the spring of 1944. In a 1983 interview, she recalled her arrival there: That day they gave us a shower and a piece of soap. After the war we found out the soap was made out of pure Jew fat, Rein Juden Fett, marked in the initials on the soap that I washed with. For all I know sometimes maybe there was a little bit of my father's fat in that soap that I washed with. How do you think I feel when I think about that? Mel Mermelstein, the former Auschwitz inmate who was featured in a sensationalized April 1991 cable television movie "Never Forget," declared in a 1981 sworn deposition that he and other camp inmates used soap bars made from human fat. It was an "established fact," he insisted, that the soap he washed with was made from Jewish bodies. Renowned "Nazi hunter" Simon Wiesenthal repeated the soap tale in a series of articles published in 1946 in the Austrian Jewish community paper _Der Neue Weg_. In the first of these he wrote: During the last weeks of March the Romanian press reported an unusual piece of news: In the small Romanian city of Folticeni twenty boxes of soap were buried in the Jewish cemetery with full ceremony and complete funeral rites. This soap had been found recently in a former German army depot. On the boxes were the initials RIF, "Pure Jewish Fat." These boxes were destined for the Waffen-SS. The wrapping paper revealed with completely cynical objectivity that this soap was manufactured from Jewish bodies. Surprisingly, the thorough Germans forgot to describe whether the soap was produced from children, girls, men or elderly persons. In another article he observed: "The production of soap from human fat is so unbelievable that even some who were in concentration camps find it difficult to comprehend." Over the years, numerous supposedly reputable historians have promoted the durable soap story. Journalist-historian William L. Shirir, for example, repeated it in his best-selling work, _The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_. Leading Soviet war propagandist Ilya Ehrenburg wrote in his postwar memoir: "I have held in my hand a cake of soap stamped with the legend 'pure Jewish soap', prepared from the corpses of people who had been destroyed. But there is no need to speak of these things: thousands of books have been written about them." A standard history studies textbook used in Canadian secondary schools, _Canada: The Twentieth Century_, told students that Germans "boiled" the corpses of their Jewish victims "to make soap." _The Anatomy of Nazism_, a booklet published and distributed by the Zionist "Anti-Defamation League" of B'nai B'rith, stated: "The process of brutalization did not end with the mass murders themselves. Large quantities of soap were manufactured from the corpses of those murdered." Acknowledging the Truth In spite of all the apparently impressive evidence, the charge that the Germans manufactured soap from human beings is a falsehood, as Holocaust historians are now belatedly acknowledging. The "RIF" soap bar initials that supposedly stood for "Pure Jewish Fat" actually indicated nothing more sinister than "Reich Center for Industrial Fat Provisioning" ("Reichsstelle fur Industrielle Fettversorgung"), a German agency responsible for wartime production and distribution of soap and washing products. RIF soap was a poor quality substitute that contained no fat at all, human or otherwise. Shortly after the war the public prosecutor's office of Flensburg, Germany, began legal proceedings against Dr. Rudolf Spanner for his alleged role in producing human soap at the Danzig Institute. But after an investigation the charge was quietly dropped. In a January 1968 letter, the office stated that its inquiry had determined that no soap from human corpses was made at the Danzig Institute during the war. Revising the Record More recently, Jewish historian Walter Laqueur "denied established history" by acknowledging in his 1980 book, _The Terrible Secret_, that the human soap story has no basis in reality. Gitta Sereny, another Jewish historian, noted in her book _Into That Darkness_: "The universally accepted story that the corpses were used to make soap and fertilizer is finally refuted by the generally very reliable Ludwigsburg Central Authority for Investigation into Nazi Crimes." Deborah Lipstadt, a professor of modern Jewish history, similarly "rewrote history" when she confirmed in 1981: "The fact is that the Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap." In April 1990, professor Yehuda Bauer of Israel's Hebrew University, regarded as a leading Holocaust historian, as well as Shmuel Krakowski, archives director of Israel's Yad Veshem Holocaust center, confirmed that the human soap story is not true. Camp inmates "were prepared to believe any horror stories about their persecutors," Bauer said. At the same time, though, he blamed the legend on "the Nazis." In fact, blame for the soap story lies rather with individuals such as Simon Wiesenthal and Stephen Wise, organizations like the World Jewish Congress, and the victorious Allied powers, none of whom has ever apologized for promoting THIS vile falsehood. Why did Bauer and Krakowski decide that this was the appropriate time to officially abandon the soap story? Krakowski himself hinted that a large part of the motivation for this "tactical retreat" was to save what's left of the sinking Holocaust ship by throwing overboard the most obvious falsehoods. In the face of the growing Revisionist challenge, more easily demonstrable falsehoods like the soap story have become dangerous embarrassments because they raise doubts about the entire Holocaust story. As Krakowski put it: "Historians have concluded that soap was not made from human fat. When so many people deny the Holocaust ever happened, why give them something to use against the truth?" The bad faith of those making this calculated and belated concession to truth is shown by their failure to note that the soap myth was authoritatively "confirmed" at Nuremberg, and by their unwillingness to deal with the implications of that confirmation for the credibility of the Tribunal and other supposedly trustworthy authorities in establishing other, more fundamental aspects of the Holocaust story. The striking contrast between the prompt postwar disavowal by the British government of the infamous "human soap" lie of the First World War, and the way in which a similarly baseless propaganda story from the Second World War was officially endorsed by the victorious Allied powers and then authoritatively maintained for so many years not only points up a dispiriting lack of integrity on the part of so many Western historians, but suggests a general decline in Western ethical standards during this century. The "human soap" story demonstrates anew the tremendous impact that a wartime rumor, no matter how fantastic, can have once it has taken hold, particularly when it is disseminated as a propaganda lie by influential individuals and powerful organizations. That so many intelligent and otherwise thoughtful people could ever have seriously believed that the Germans distributed bars of soap brazenly labeled with letters indicating that they were manufactured from Jewish corpses shows how readily even the most absurd Holocaust fables can be -- and are -- accepted as fact. -=End From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:52:58 PDT 1995 Article: 8576 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Martin Luther Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:28:16 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 117 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Martin Luther: Protestant Reformer Speaks out on Zionism Martin Luther - the 16th c. German religious reformer is well known for his confrontations with corruption in the papacy of the time. But, censors have long suppressed his direct attack on Talumidic Judaism (Zionism). "They are the real liars and bloodhounds, who have not only perverted and falsified the entire scriptures from beginning to end and without ceasing with their interpretations. And all of the anxious sighing, longing and hoping of their hearts is directed to the time when some day they would like to deal with us heathen as they dealt with the heathen in Persia at the time of Esther... On how they love that book Esther, which so nicely agrees with their bloodthirsty, revengeful and murderous desire and hope! The sun never did shine on a more bloodthirsty and revengeful people as they, who imagine to be the people of God, and who desire to and think they must murder and crush the heathen. And the foremost undertaking which they expect of their Messiah is that he should slay and murder the whole world with the sword. As they at first demonstrated against us Christians and would like to do now, if they only could; have also tried it often and have been repeatedly struck on their snouts... Their breath stinks for the gold and silver of the heathen; since no people under the sun always have been, still are, as can be noticed in their cursed usury. They also find comfort with this: "When Messiah comes, He shall take all the gold and silver in the world and distribute it among the Jews. Thus, wherever they can direct Scripture to their insatiable avarice, they wickedly do so. Therefore know, my dear Christians, that next to the Devil, you have no more bitter, more poisonous, more vehement an enemy than a real Jew who earnestly desires to be a Jew... A person who does not know the Devil, might wonder why they are so at enmity with the Christians above all others; for which they have no reason, since we only do good to them. They live among us in our homes, under our protection, use land and highways, market and streets. Princes and government sit by, snore and have their maws open, let the Jews take from their purse and chest, steal and rob whatever they will. That is, they permit themselves and their subjects to be abused and sucked dry and reduced to beggars with their own money, through the usury of the Jews. For the Jews, as foreigners, certainly should have nothing from us; and what they have certainly must be ours. They do not work, do not earn anything from us, neither do we donate or give it to them. Yet they have our money and goods and are lords in our land where they are supposed to be in exile! If a thief steals ten gulden he must hang; if he robs people on the highway, his head is gone. But a Jew, when he steals ten tons of gold through his usury is dearer than God himself! Do not their Talmud and rabbis write it is no sin to kill if a Jew kills a heathen, but it is a sin if he kills a brother in Israel? It is no sin if he does not keep his oath to a heathen. Therefore to steal and rob (as they do with their moneylending) >from a heathen, is a divine service... And they are the masters of the world and we are their servants - yea, their cattle! I maintain that in three fables of Aesop their is more wisdom to be found than in all the books of the Talmudists and rabbis and more than ever could come into the hearts of the Jews... Should someone think I am saying too much - I am saying much too little! For I see in writings how they curse us Goyim and wish us all evil in their schools and prayers. They rob us of our money through usury, and whenever they are able, they play us all manner of mean tricks... No heathen has done such things and none would do so except the Devil himself and those whom he possesses - as he possesses the Jews. Burgensis, who was a very learned rabbi among them and by the grace of God became a Christian (which seldom occurs), is much moved that in their schools they so horribly curse us Christians (as Lyra also writes) and from that draws the conclusion that they must not be a people of God. Now behold what a nice, thick, fat lie it is when they complain about being captives among us! Jerusalem was destroyed more than 1400 years ago and during that time we Christians have been tortured and persecuted by the Jews in all the world. On top of that, we do not know to this day what Devil brought them into our country. We did not fetch from Jerusalem! ... Yes, we have and hold them captive, as I would like to keep my rheumatism, and all other diseases and misfortunes, who must wait as a poor servant, with money and property and everything I have! I wish they were in Jerusalem with the other Jews and whomsoever they would like to have with them. Now what are we going to do with these rejected, condemned people? ... Let us apply the ordinary wisdom of other nations like France, Spain, Bohemia, et al., who made them give an account of what they had stolen through usury, and divided it evenly; but expelled them from their country. For as heard before, God's wrath is so great over them that through soft mercy they only become more wicked, through hard treatment, however, only a little better. Therefore, away with them! How much more unbearable is it that we should permit the entire Christendom and all of us to be bought with our own money, be slandered and cursed by the Jews, who on top of all that be made rich and our lords, who laugh us to scorn and are tickled by their audacity! What a joyful affair that would be for the Devil and his angels, and cause them to laugh through their snouts like a sow grinning at her little pigs, but deserving real wrath before God. (Von Juden und Ihren Lugen) Maybe mild-hearted and gentle Christians will believe that I am too rigorous and drastic against the poor, afflicted Jews, believing that I ridicule them and treat them with too much sarcasm. By my word, I am far too weak to be able to ridicule such a satanic brood. I would fain do so, but they are far greater adepts at mockery than I and possess a god who is master in this art. It is the evil one himself. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:52:58 PDT 1995 Article: 8578 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Simon Wiesenthal: Sleight-of-hand Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:30:37 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 140 Message-ID: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >From _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 5, Number 1 (Spring 1984): The Sleight-of-Hand of Simon Wiesenthal "Falsus in Uno, Falsus in Omnibus" Mark Weber and Keith Stimely For many years Simon Wiesenthal has made a highly successful career for himself as the world's foremost "Nazi hunter." The American mass media have elevated him to secular sainthood and the U.S. Congress awarded him a special gold medal. In reality Wiesenthal is a proven liar. The most infamous example was his charge that an elderly Polish refugee living in Chicago, Frank Walus, was a Gestapo official responsible for killing Jews during the Second World War. Only a long and costly court battle by an unusually tenacious attorney saved Walus from almost certain death. The government prosecutors were forced to drop their case ignominously. The popular Chicago _Weekly Reader_ and the highly respected _Chicago Lawyer_ published devastating expose~s of Wiesenthal's role in the frame-up of Walus. Eventually even the Washington _Post_ acknowledged his sordid role in the affair. In Canada, the Toronto _Sun_, commenting on another "war criminal" case in which Wiesenthal was involved, and the accused finally determined to be innocent, editorialized: "It seems that material provided by professional Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal is wrong, but repeated [by the print and broadcast media] anyway." Recently yet another example of Wiesenthal's blatant distortion of historical truth came to light. In 1946 Wiesenthal published a book in Austria entitled _KZ Mauthausen_ [Concentration Camp Mauthausen]. It consists mainly of mediocre sketches by the young "Nazi hunter" purporting to represent the horrors of the Mauthausen concentration camp. One of the drawings depicts three Mauthausen inmates bound to posts who had apparently been sadistically put to death by the Germans. Another graphic example of murderous Nazi treatment of inmates! Actually, the sketch is completely phoney. In January 1945 _Life_ magazine published a series of photos graphically recording the firing-squad execution of three German soldiers who had been caught operating as spies behind the lines during the "Battle of the Bulge." Photographer Johnny Florea recorded the execution in December 1944 near Bastogne. The three soldiers died "singing patriotic German songs," _Life_ reported. In its issue of 16 December 1983 the West German weekly newspaper _Deutsche National-Zeitung_ published the _Life_ photos and the Wiesenthal sketch together. Even a quick comparison makes clear beyond any doubt that the "Nazi hunter" HAD COPIED HIS DRAWING FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS. Wiesenthal's gruesome depiction of German barbarism in Mauthausen is actually the deceitful product of his malicious mind. Another example of the generally spurious character of Wiesenthal's 1946 Mauthausen book is his citation therein of the supposed "death bed" confession of Commandant Franz Ziereis that FOUR MILLION [sic] inmates were gassed to death at the Hartheim satellite camp. Along with Dachau, Ravensbrueck, and Buchenwald, "Holocaust" historians no longer even mention Mauthausen as a "death camp" or gassing center. According to the official tourist brochure now distributed at the camp, a total of only 206,000 persons WERE EVER INMATES at Mauthausen and its satellite camps. Question: How long can a self-respecting world continue to even put up with, let along shower honors on, this man Simon Wiesenthal -- one of the biggest lying fakers of our age? [Three photographs, with the following caption:] Above: "Life" magazine in January 1945 published these photos of three German soldiers shot by their American captors during the Battle of the Bulge. [Photographs reproduced in file EXECUTED.GIF] [Illustration with the following caption:] YES, VIRGINIA: WIESENTHAL DOES LIE Above: Simon Wiesenthal's drawing (from his book "KZ Mauthausen," 1946) depicting three murdered inmate victims of German barbarity in the concentration camp of Mauthausen. Note the striped inmate garb on the figures. But did Wiesenthal really see this in Mauthausen? Compare this drawing and the three photos on the facing page and you will know what Wiesenthal drew from. With all his talk about the "millions" of victims of Nazi brutality, why is it that Simon Wiesenthal couldn't seem to find any of those for his graphic deptiction of such brutality? Why did he have to resort to copying from a scene of GERMAN VICTIMS of AMERICAN EXECUTION? [Illustration reproduced in file SIMONLIE.GIF] [end of article] From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:52:59 PDT 1995 Article: 8582 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!good.freedom.net!news.pepboys.com!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Simon Wiesenthal: Bogus "nazi Hunter" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:31:22 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 397 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 SIMON WIESENTHAL: Bogus "Nazi Hunter" by Mark Weber Simon Wiesenthal is a living legend. In a formal White House ceremony in August 1980, a teary-eyed President Carter presented the world's foremost "Nazi hunter" with a special gold medal awarded by the U.S. Congress. President Reagan praised him in November 1988 as one of the "true heroes" of this century. He is the recipient of West Germany's highest decoration, and one of the world's most important Holocaust organizations bears his name: the Simon Wiesenthal Center of Los Angeles. He was portrayed in flattering terms by the late Laurence Olivier in the 1978 film fantasy "The Boys From Brazil," and by Ben Kingsley in the April 1989 made-for-television movie "The Murderers Among Us: The Simon Wiesenthal Story." Wiesenthal's reputation is undeserved. The man known as the "Holocaust's Avenging Angel" has a well-documented record of reckless disregard for truth. He has lied about his own wartime experiences, misrepresented his postwar "Nazi-hunting" achievements, and has spread vile falsehoods about alleged German atrocities. He is certainly no moral authority. Fraudulent "Nazi Hunter" Wiesenthal's reputation as the world's foremost "Nazi Hunter" is completely undeserved. His greatest achievement in more than thirty years of searching for "Nazi criminals" was his alleged role in locating and capturing Adolf Eichmann. (Eichmann headed the wartime SS Jewish Affairs department. He was kidnapped by Israeli agents in Buenos Aires in 1960 and was hanged in Jerusalem after a trial that received worldwide media attention.) But Isser Harel, the Israeli official who headed the team that captured Eichmann, has declared unequivocally that Wiesenthal had "absolutely nothing" to do with the capture. "All the information supplied by Wiesenthal before and in anticipation of the operation was utterly worthless, and sometimes even misleading and of negative value," Harel says. (Harel is a former head of both the Mossad and Shin Bet, Israel's foreign and domestic security agencies.) In addition, Arnold Forster, general counsel of the Anti- Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, the influential Zionist organization, reported in his book _Square One_ that just before the Israelis seized Eichmann in Argentina, Wiesenthal was placing him in both Japan and Saudi Arabia. One of Wiesenthal's most spectacular cases involved a Chicago man named Frank Walus. In a letter dated Dec. 10, 1974, he charged that Walus "delivered Jews to the Gestapo" in Czestochowa and Kielce in Poland during the war. This letter prompted the U.S. government's investigation and legal campaign against Walus. The _Washington Post_ dealt with the case in a May 1981 article entitled "The Nazi Who Never Was: How a witchhunt by judge, press and investigators branded an innocent man a war criminal." The lengthy piece, which was copyrighted by the American Bar Association, reported: * In January 1977, the United States government accused a * * Chicagoan named Frank Walus of having committed atrocities in * * Poland during World War II. * * * * In the following years, this retired factory worker went * * into debt in order to raise more than $60,000 to defend himself. * * He sat in a courtroom while 11 Jewish survivors of the Nazi * * occupation of Poland testified that they saw him murder * * children, an old woman, a young woman, a hunchback and others... * * * * Overwhelming evidence shows that Walus was not a Nazi war * * criminal, that he was not even in Poland during World War II. * * * * ...In an atmosphere of hatred and loathing verging on * * hysteria, the government persecuted an innocent man. * * * * In 1974, Simon Wiesenthal, the famous "Nazi hunter" of * * Vienna, denounced Walus as "a Pole in Chicago who performed * * duties with the Gestapo in the ghettos of Czestochowa and Kielce * * and handed over a number of Jews to the Gestapo." * In other words, even though Wiesenthal's "reports" about Walus were actually nothing more than empty rumors, the "Nazi hunter" went ahead and denounced him anyway. In April 1978, during a period when the case was under advisement, Wiesenthal visited Chicago and gave interviews taking credit for the Walus case. "How Nazi-Hunter Helped Find Walus," was the headline in the daily _Sun-Times_ newspaper. Wiesenthal told the paper that he "never had a case of mistaken identity," and added: "I know there are thousands of people who wait for my mistake." It was only after an exhausting legal battle that the man who was vilified and physically attacked as "the butcher of Kielce" was finally able to prove that he had spent the war years as a peaceful farm laborer in Germany. Wiesenthal's irresponsible and reckless behavior in the Walus case should have been enough to permanently discredit him as a reliable investigator. But his Teflon reputation survived even this. Wrong About Mengele Much of the Wiesenthal myth is based on his hunt for Josef Mengele, the wartime physician at Auschwitz known as the "Angel of Death." Time and time again, Wiesenthal claimed to be close on Mengele's heels. Wiesenthal reported that his informant had "seen" or "just missed" the elusive physician in Peru, Chile, Brazil, Spain, Greece, and half a dozen locations in Paraguay. One of the closest shaves came in the summer of 1960. Wiesenthal reported that Mengele had been hiding out on a small Greek island, from where he escaped by just a few hours. Wiesenthal continued to peddle the story, complete with precise details, even after a reporter whom he had hired to check it out informed him that the tale was false from beginning to end. Mengele regularly dined at the finest restaurants in Asuncion, the Paraguayan capital, Wiesenthal said in 1977, and supposedly drove around the city with a bevy of armed guards in his black Mercedes Benz. Wiesenthal announced in 1985 that he was "100 per cent sure" that Mengele had been hiding out in Paraguay until at least June 1984, and charged that the Mengele family in West Germany knew exactly where. As it turned out, Wiesenthal was completely wrong. It was later definitely established that Mengele had died in 1979 in Brazil, where he had been living for years in anonymous poverty. In truth, the bulging Mengele file in Wiesenthal's Vienna "Documentation Center" was such a jumble of useless information that, in the words of the London _Times_, it "only sustained his self-confirmatory myths and gave scant satisfaction to those who apparently needed a definitive answer to Mengele's fate." Even Israel's former ambassador to Paraguay, Benjamin Varon, cautiously criticized the phony Mengele campaign in 1983: "Wiesenthal makes periodic statements that he is about to catch him, perhaps since Wiesenthal must raise funds for his activities and the name Mengele is always good for a plug." "Human Soap" Wiesenthal has given circulation and credence to one of the most scurrilous Holocaust stories, the charge that the Germans manufactured soap from the corpses of murdered Jews. According to this tale, the letters "RIF" in bars of German-made soap allegedly stood for "Pure Jewish Fat" ("Rein judisches Fett"). In reality, the initials stood for "National Center for Industrial Fat Provisioning" ("Reichsstelle fur industrielle Fettversorgung"). Wiesenthal promoted the "human soap" legend in articles published in 1946 in the Austrian Jewish community paper _Der Neue Weg_ ("The New Path"). In an article entitled "RIF," he wrote: "The terrible words 'Transport for soap' were first heard at the end fo 1942. It was in the [Polish] General Government, and the factory was in Galacia, in Belzec. From April 1942 until May 1943, 900,000 Jews were used as raw material in this factory." After the corpses were turned into various raw materials, Wiesenthal wrote, "The rest, the residual fat stuff, was used for soap production." He continued: * After 1942 people in the General Government knew quite well * * what the RIF soap meant. The civilized world may not believe the * * joy with which the Nazis and their women in the General * * Government thought of this soap. In each piece of soap they saw * * a Jew who had been magically put there, and had thus been * * prevented from growing into a second Freud, Ehrlich or Einstein. * In another imaginative article published in 1946 entitled "Belzec Soap Factory," Wiesenthal alleged that masses of Jews were exterminated in electrocution showers: * The people, pressed together and driven on by the SS, * * Latvians and Ukrainians, go through the open door into the * * "bath." Five hundred persons could fit at a time. The floor of * * the "bath chamber" was made of metal and shower heads hung from * * the ceiling. When the room was full, the SS turned on the 5,000 * * volts of electric current in the metal plate. At the same time * * water poured from the shower heads. A short scream and the * * execution was over. An SS chief physician named Schmidt * * determined through a peep hole that the victims were dead. The * * second door was opened and the "corpse commando" came in and * * quickly removed the dead. It was ready for the next 500. * Today no reputable historian accepts the stories that Jewish corpses were manufactured into bars of soap or that Jews were electrocuted to death at Belzec (or anywhere). Different Stories In spite of all that has been written about him, what Wiesenthal did during the war years under German occupation is still not clear. He has given disturbingly conflicting stories in three separate accounts of his wartime activities. Soviet Engineer or Factory Mechanic ? In a 1948 interrogation, Wiesenthal declared under oath that "between 1939 and 1941" he was a "Soviet chief engineer working in Lvov and Odessa." But in his 1967 autobiography, _The Murderers Among Us_, he claimed that he spent the period between mid-September 1939 and June 1941 in Soviet-ruled Lvov, where he worked "as a mechanic in a factory that produced bedsprings." After the Germans took control of Galicia province in June 1941, Wiesenthal was interned for a time in the Janowska concentration camp near Lvov, from where he was transferred a few months later to a camp affiliated with the repair works (OAW) in Lvov of the Ostbahn ("Eastern Railroad") of German-ruled Poland. Partisan Fighter ? The next segment of Wiesenthal's life - from October 1943 to June 1944 - is the most obscure, and his accounts of this period are contradictory. During his 1948 interrogation, Wiesenthal said that he fled from a camp in Lvov and joined a "partisan group which operated in the Tarnopol- Kamenopodolsk area." He said that "I was a partisan from October 6, 1943, until the middle of February 1944," and declared that his unit fought against Ukrainian forces, both of the SS "Galicia" division and of the independent UPA partisan force. Wiesenthal said that he held the rank of lieutenant and then major, and was responsible for building bunkers and fortification lines. He suggested that this (supposed) partisan unit was part of the _Armia Ludowa_ ("People's Army"), the Polish Communist military force established and controlled by the Soviets. He said that he and other partisans slipped into Lvov in February 1944, where they were "hidden by friends of the A.L. ["People's Army"] group." On June 13, 1944, his group was captured by the German Secret Field Police. Wiesenthal told much the same story in a sworn January 1949 statement. He said that he fled from internment in early October 1943 and then "fought against the Germans as a partisan in the forest" for eight months - from Oct. 2, 1943, to March 1944. After that, he was "in hiding" in Lvov from March to June 1944. Wiesenthal tells a totally different story in his 1967 autobiography. He reports there that after escaping from the Ostbahn repair works on Oct. 2, 1943, he lived in hiding in the houses of various friends until June 13, 1944, when he was discovered by Polish and German police and returned to a concentration camp. He makes no mention of any partisan membership or activity. According to both his 1948 interrogation and his 1967 autobiography, he tried to commit suicide on June 15, 1944, by cutting his wrists. Remarkably, though, he was saved from death by German SS doctors and recovered in an SS hospital. He remained in the Lvov concentration camp "with double rations" for a time, and then, he reports in his autobiography, he was transferred to various work camps. He spent the remaining chaotic months until the end of the war in different camps until he was liberated from Mauthausen (near Linz) by American forces on May 5, 1945. Did Wiesenthal invent a past as a heroic wartime partisan? Or did he later try to suppress his record as a Communist fighter? Or is the true story altogether different - and too shameful to admit? Did Wiesenthal voluntarily work for his wartime oppressors? That's the accusation leveled by Austrian Chancellor Bruno Kreisky, himself of Jewish ancestry and leader for many years of his country's Socialist party. During a wide-ranging interview with foreign journalists in November 1975, Kreisky charged Wiesenthal with using "Mafia methods," rejected his pretense of "moral authority," and suggested that he was an agent for the German authorities. Mauthausen Myths Before the "Nazi hunter" came the unscrupulous propagandist. In a sensational book published in 1946, _KZ Mauthausen_, Wiesenthal quoted extensively from the supposed "death bed confession" of Mauthausen Commandant Franz Ziereis, according to which FOUR MILLION people were gassed to death with carbon monoxide at the nearby Hartheim satellite camp. This claim is totally absurd, and no serious Holocaust historian still accepts it. Also according to the Ziereis "confession" cited by Wiesenthal, the Germans supposedly killed another TEN MILLION people in Poland, Lithuania and Latvia. In fact, this "confession" is utterly fraudulent and was obtained by torture. Years later, Wiesenthal was still lying about Mauthausen. In an April 1983 interview with the daily newspaper _USA TODAY_, he said of his experience in Mauthausen: "I was one of 34 prisoners alive out of 150,000 who had been put there." This is a blatant falsehood. The years have apparently not been kind to Wiesenthal's memory, because in his own autobiography he wrote that "almost 3,000 prisoners died in Mauthausen after the Americans liberated us on May 5, 1945." According to the _Encyclopedia Judaica_, at least 212,000 inmates survived internment in the Mauthausen camp complex. "Commercializing the Holocaust" Simon Wiesenthal and the Los Angeles Center that bears his name "commercialize" and "trivialize" the Holocaust, according to the director of Israel's Yad Veshem Holocaust center. The charge was reported by the Israeli daily newspaper _Ha'aretz_ in December 1988. The charge: "The displeasure of Yad Veshem over what it sees as the commercialization of the Holocaust by the Wiesenthal Center has long been known, but this is the most open attack yet." The Los Angeles Center pays Wiesenthal $75,000 a year to use his name, the Yad Veshem director said. "The Jewish people does many vulgar things," the report added, "but the Wiesenthal Center raises it to a complete level: The optimum use of sensitive issues in order to raise money..." Kreisky Sums Up Wiesenthal is not always wrong, of course. In 1975 he acknowledged in a letter published in the British periodical _Books & Bookmen_ that "there were no extermination camps on German soil." He thus implicitly conceded the claims made at the postwar Nuremburg Tribunal and elsewhere that Buchenwald, Dachau and other camps in Germany proper were "extermination camps" are not true. Bruno Kreisky once summed up his unambiguous attitude toward the "Nazi hunter" in these words: * The engineer Wiesenthal, or whatever else his title is, * * hates me because he knows that I despise his activity. The * * Wiesenthal group is a quasi-political mafia that works against * * Austria with disgraceful methods. Wiesenthal is known as someone * * who isn't very careful about the truth, who is not very selective * * about his methods and who uses tricks. He pretends to be the * * "Eichmann hunter," even though everyone knows that this was the * * work of a secret service, and that Wiesenthal only takes credit * * for that. * It is difficult to say just what drives this remarkable man. Is it a craving for fame and praise? Or is he trying to live down a shameful episode from his past? Wiesenthal clearly enjoys the praise he receives. "He is a man of considerable ego, proud of [his] testimonials and honorary degrees," the _Los Angeles Times_ has reported. Kreisky has given a simpler explanation. He said that Wiesenthal is "driven by hatred" ("von Hass diktiert"). In light of his well-documented record of deception, lies and incompetence, the extravagent praise heaped upon this contemptible man is a sorry reflection of the venal corruptibility and unprincipled self-deception of our age. _____________________________________________________________________ This leaflet is an edited version of an essay that originally appeared in _The Journal of Historical Review_ (Winter 1989-90, Vol. 9, No. 4). Complete source references are published with the essay. _The Journal_ is published bi-monthly by the Institute for Historical Review. Mark Weber, current editor of _The Journal of Historical Review_, studied history at the University of Illinois (Chicago), the University of Munich, Porland State University, and Indiana University (M.A., 1977). For five days in March 1988, he testified as an expert witness on the "final solution" and the Holocaust issue in a Toronto District Court case. His many articles, reviews and essays on modern European history have appeared in _The Journal of Historical Review_ and elsewhere. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:53:00 PDT 1995 Article: 8584 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!good.freedom.net!news.pepboys.com!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Lessons From a Trotonto Holocaust class Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:32:57 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 250 Message-ID: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >From _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 13, Number 6 (Nov./Dec. 1993): LETTERS Lessons from a Toronto Holocaust Class Reading about the Penn State "Holocaust History" course (Sept.-Oct. _Journal_, p. 45), reminded me of my own experience in the winter of 1986-87 when my wife, Lynda, and I, along with another couple, decided to attend a night course on the Holocaust at a Toronto High School. The first Zundel ["Holocaust"] trial had ended in the spring of 1985, and we were curious to know how this subject was being taught to high school students. As we very quickly learned, those in charge assumed that no one would dare break the hushed tone of reverence by asking inconvenient questions. It seems that we were expected merely to pay respectful homage to the Holocaust, and not actually study or, heaven forbid, critically examine it. We had planned to keep a low profile, asking questions only at crucial points. But this was not to be. On the first evening instructor Frank Bialystok -- who described himself as a child of "survivors" even though his parents, like many others, had left Poland in 1939 before the outbreak of war -- wanted straightaway to probe our inner-most feelings on mankind's most "horrendous tragedy." He drew us into a tight circle and proceeded to ask each of us individually why we had decided to take this course. Not wishing to feign mindless adherence, we told him that we were looking for credible supporting evidence for Holocaust claims. Mr. Bialystok was further shocked when another student volunteered that her boyfriend didn't believe in the Holocaust. Thus ended the "inner feeling" session. For the rest of the evening we were subjected to slides of Mr. Bialystok's recent visit to Auschwitz. When he came to a slide of the camp's alleged execution gas chamber, without comment he quickly flipped to the next slide. When I asked Bialystok what that slide had been, he evaded the question. He left class that night in a state of virtual shock. On the second evening Bialystok came well-prepared to respond to our simple request for proof. There, to our surprise, was Peter Griffith, Crown Prosecutor in the first Zundel trial, and Alan Shefman of the League for Human Rights of the B'nai B'rith (the Canadian counterpart of the ADL). At the back of the class sat a guilt-ridden Anglican minister, along with an official from the government agency euphemistically known as the "Human Rights Commission." With the original course itinerary now completely discarded, the classroom had become a kind of intellectual battle field. That ostensibly independent officials could be trotted out on such short notice for our modest little group speaks volumes. To the surprise of those in charge, we weren't at all intimidated. After Shefman was introduced, we were informed that tape recorders would not be permitted, even though Bialystok had specifically welcomed them on the first evening's class (when he was looking forward to a Holocaust love-in). Ignored were our queries of what they were afraid or even ashamed of. Shortly into Shefman's talk it became apparent why he didn't want his words recorded. He vehemently lit into the Institute for Historical Review, maligning -- in a most mendacious manner -- not only it but individually each member of the IHR _Journal_'s Editorial Advisory Committee as well. We were given no satisfactory answers to our requests for evidence of his malicious claims. Griffith told us that the "definitive" new edition of Raul Hilberg's book, _The Destruction of the European Jews_, contained conclusive proof of mass gassing. Unable to give any such evidence himself, he simply told us to read Hilberg's book. When I asked Griffith if he believed that hearsay evidence should be admissible in court, he declared in a sanctimonious monolog that not only did he believe that the use of hearsay evidence was counter-productive to a fair trial, but that our society's judicial rules of evidence did not permit it. When I pointed out that hearsay testimony had been permitted by the Nuremberg Tribunal, his tone changed to one of evasive rationalization. Griffith implied that the Tribunal was an omniscient body with correspondingly appropriate rules that were indispensable in dealing with such grotesque crimes. My retort that the Nuremberg courts were nothing more than victor-formulated bodies designed to convict the vanquished so unnerved him that he shouted at me to "shut up." With Griffith and Bialystok trying to put the best light on their non answers, and Shefman sniping from the side lines with his ad hominem attacks, the evening passed quickly. As we arrived for the next session, we were startled to find the classroom overflowing with people. What had begun as a small class of nine students -- barely enough to justify a course -- had grown into a gathering of 45 or 50, with not enough desks for everyone. Earlier that day, it turned out, Ernst Zundel had enquired about the course. Surrounded by a gaggle of media people, he was trying to register. In an effort to thwart his effort by claiming that the course was already fully booked, they had packed the classroom, mostly with other teachers and some volunteers from Jewish organizations. During that evening's session the guilt-ridden Anglican minister explained to the class just how thoroughly anti-Semitic the _Bible_ was, and how this had set the climate that permitted the Holocaust to happen. I asked if he had studied the [Jewish] _Talmud_. He said that he had. To my question of whether there were anti-Christian or anti-Gentile passages in the Talmud, he embarrassingly retorted: "Nowhere near the anti-Semitic hate that is in the _Bible_." At the next class the following week, the room was once again full. This time, though, the teachers were gone, replaced by Jewish volunteers. They hoped to overwhelm us. When the intimidating shouts and insults failed to stem the inconvenient questions, whole evenings were taken up with dogmadrama video tapes that allowed no time for questions and discussion. Those in charge even tried to intimidate us one evening by having two plain-clothes detectives from the so-called ethnic squad sit at the back of the room. We recognized them from the Zundel trial. During the eight week course, unregistered people wandered in and out of the classroom as if this was a Holocaust remembrance social club or a kind of changing of the Holocaust defense guard. Frustrated that nothing they tried seemed able to stem our blasphemous questions, Mr. Bialystok resorted to a kind of censor's "final solution." Forbidding any further questions during instruction sessions, he announced that there would be a half-hour period for questions at the end of each evening's session. In practice we were lucky to get ten minutes; usually it was five. And with so many dedicated "seekers of truth" running interference, we were fortunate if we got in even a single skeptical question. More to the point, we never got even one cogent answer. Typical was the performance of Harold Tropper, the author of _None is Too Many_, a book decrying Canada's refusal to take a boat-load of Jewish refugees. His not so subtle message -- of Canadian guilt and complicity in the Holocaust for sending refugees back to what he claimed was certain death -- was expected to be humbly accepted as gospel. "Why should Canadians feel guilty about refusing a boatload of aliens," I impertinently asked, "when Israel is presently preventing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from returning to their own homeland?" At that point all hell broke loose, with everyone shouting at once. Irrational statements, such as "don't bring Israel into this," were made. Tropper proclaimed (inaccurately) that "this wasn't true," and then refused to discuss the matter any further. After the course had concluded, my wife tried for several weeks to arrange a meeting with the school principal. When she finally spoke with him, he seemed nervous and embarrassed, giving some pretty lame excuses for some of what had happened. He explained, for example, that the teachers who had packed the class had been invited for "educational" purposes. He was surprised and seemingly upset to learn about the two detectives who had been in the classroom. As a result of his meeting with my wife, he also learned that quite ordinary, middle class Canadians -- and not trouble makers as Bialystok would have described us -- could have trouble believing all the Holocaust stories. While we didn't learn anything new about Holocaust history, we did learn something about how the guardians of the cult think, and to what lengths they will go to foster and protect their creed. We also had the satisfaction of seeing the course dropped altogether from the night school curriculum. John Mortl Toronto, Canada [end of article] From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:53:01 PDT 1995 Article: 8585 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!good.freedom.net!news.pepboys.com!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Why Holocaust revisionism?? Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:33:33 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 361 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 WHY HOLOCAUST REVISIONISM? by Theodore J. O'Keefe (c) Copyright 1992 by Journal of Historical Review, All Rights Reserved; Reprinted from Vol. 12, #1 of the Journal of Historical Review, Spring 1992;Copyright notice at end of article] The "Holocaust," the alleged murder of some six million Jews by the German Nazis during the Second World War, has in recent years come under increasing fire from the Revisionists, those unconventional historians who challenge orthodox versions of past events. Researchers such as Arthur Butz, Robert Faurisson, David Irving, and Wilhelm StŠglich have become famous (some would say notorious) around the world for their scholarly critique of the claim that Hitler and his followers sought to exterminate European Jewry during the war, killing millions by poison gas and other means. There are those who would suppress the Revisionists by restricting their freedom of research and expression, and indeed the Revisionists have suffered physical attacks and legal sanctions, even in countries which take pride in being "open societies." Many more people, however, are not so much hostile to the Revisionists as they are simply puzzled by them. They have questions about Holocaust Revisionism, questions like these: "What motivates these Revisionists? Are they simply Nazis, seeking to rehabilitate the Hitler regime? Even if some of their facts are correct, does it really matter if the number of Jews who died in the war was 'only' a million and a half? Or half a million? Or just one? And even if the Revisionist case against the Holocaust could be proved, what difference does it make what did or didn't happen to some Jews in Europe fifty years ago? Why not stick to issues that are more important- and safer?" To answer these questions, it is necessary to say something about the origins of modern Historical Revisionism. While conscientious historians have always attempted to "correct" the errors and omissions of their predecessors, modern Revisionism dates from the First World War. That great and terrible war was the first in history to affect people in every corner of the globe. It brought the great empires of Europe, their colonies in Asia and Africa, and finally the independent nations of the Americas into conflict on an unprecedented scale. Technology developed fearsome new weapons - airplanes, submarines, tanks, machine guns, poison gas - to gain military victories. A different sort of technology - directed at the minds, not the bodies, of men - was raised to new levels of effectiveness. While both sides - the German-led Alliance and the Franco-BritishRussian Entente - lured the political and financial leadership of the neutral nations in secret with bribes and promises, they wooed the masses at home and abroad with propaganda. Each side depicted its own war aims as a mighty crusade for peace and freedom, and those of its enemies as a diabolical grab for world dominion. Even more effective was the so-called "atrocity propaganda," which attributed every crime imaginable to the enemy. And the undisputed masters of "atrocity propaganda" were in the Allied camp. Their mastery of the propaganda weapon gave the world such images as the Belgianbaby- killing Hun, the crucified Canadian, a corpse factory in which the Germans processed their own dead, and a hundred others which raised Allied and neutral populaces to righteous and patriotic frenzy. Allied propaganda helped lure America into the war, tipping the scales to insure Allied victory. Then, Allied leaders forced the defeated nations, Germany and its allies, to sign humiliating treaties which stripped them of territory and colonies, imposed crushing reparations and virtual disarmament, and, most galling of all, compelled the defeated to accept all responsibility for starting the war. Soon after that war it had already become evident that much of what the citizens of America and the other powers had been told by their leaders about the causes, the conduct, and the aims of the war was simply not true. In particular, the vast majority of the lurid atrocities attributed to the Germans and their allies were admitted by the politicians and journalists who fabricated them to have been lies. A group of concerned scholars and laymen in America and other countries, who became known as Revisionists, became determined to establish the historical facts, as opposed to the government and press propaganda, about the war. Within a decade Revisionist historians in America, England, France, Germany and Austria were able to demonstrate that the war had not been waged to save the world for democracy, and that Germany and its allies did not bear sole guilt for starting the war. One of Revisionism's founding fathers was the young American historian Harry Elmer Barnes. Barnes would later define Historical Revisionism as "bringing history into accord with the facts." Barnes' study of the facts, as opposed to the propaganda, of the years 1914 to 1918 taught him that, in his words, "Truth is always the first war casualty. The emotional disturbances and distortions in historical writing are greatest in wartime." The hard facts which Revisionists had established about the First World War, only after a bloodbath which cost ten million lives, inspired Revisionists in America and elsewhere to resist their countries' involvement in wars and interventions at the behest of politicians and bankers. But the rise of international Communism, which gained a firm base in Russia following the First World War, the crisis of capitalism in the worldwide depression of the 1930's, and the emergence of authoritarian, anti-Communist, nationalist regimes in Europe and Japan set the stage for new conflicts. Unlike the years before 1914, the build-up to the Second World War found not only nations but supra-national ideological movements competing for power in every sphere of human life. Communists, Fascists, Nazis, and Zionists joined the existing nationalists, imperialists, and enthusiasts for "one world" in a no-holds-barred struggle in which, spurred by the world economic crisis, propaganda technicians brought the arts of mass persuasion to unprecedented levels of achievement. By the outbreak of war in 1939, Germany had already been the object of furious, international propaganda campaign by the left, led by the Communists, and by the world's Jews. Britain's formidable global propaganda apparatus had shifted into high gear, particularly in antiinterventionist America, where British agents had set up a vast, clandestine propaganda operation with the covert agreement of President Franklin Roosevelt. When Germany and its European allies attacked Stalin's Russia in June 1941, the uneasy truce between the Nazis and the Reds ended, and Moscow's agents around the world began transmitting the Kremlin's version of events to an often unsuspecting audience in the democracies. Such propaganda influences, combined with President Roosevelt's stealthy policy of entangling America on the side of the Allies, defeated the wise counsel of American Revisionists, prominent in the antiinterventionist camp, and in December 1941 American entered the war through the back door at Pearl Harbor. Although officials among the Western Allies, mindful of the cynicism which had followed the exploded atrocity lies after the First World War, at first tried to steer clear of more lurid and improbable accusations, as the Axis triumphed on all fronts Allied propagandists began to abandon their scruples. Meanwhile, Jewish and Communist sources had opened up all drumfire of allegations against the Germans, blasting them for every conceivable crime. By the summer of 1942 Jewish spokesmen were demanding that Allied leaders condemn the Germans for annihilating a million Jews and plotting the extermination of millions more. Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin's condemnation was forthcoming by December 1942; for the remainder of the war Jewish and Allied propagandists spread fantastic tales of Jews murdered by scores of methods, as diabolical as they were improbable: they were reported to have been steamed, baked, electrocuted, gassed, eaten away by quicklime, starved, shot, buried alive, mauled by wild beasts, subjected to sadistic experiments, and deliberately injected with lethal chemicals or germs. According to the propaganda, not even their remains were inviolable: their skins made into lampshades or riding breeches, their hair stuffed into mattresses or used to make slippers, their gold dental fillings swelling the Reich's coffers, and what was left over turned into soap or fertilizer. Even during the war, as Exterminationist writers have lately emphasized, there was widespread disbelief of the extermination claims among American and Britons, not to mention the peoples of the Axis nations. Allied policy-makers- Jewish, Communist, or Western democratic- mindful of the aftermath of the "war to end all wars," took steps to insure that the wartime propaganda would not be so easily discredited. Following the Second World War, they arranged for a series of trials devised to "prove" all of their atrocity claims as well as to convict and punish their enemies. Germany, and Japan as well, were occupied by the victors. The occupying powers wrote new constitutions, picked out new ruling elites, and imposed new modes of thought and methods of education so that the Germans and Japanese would absorb and internalize the propaganda of their conquerors. Like most critical-minded citizens, Revisionist scholars and publicists had believed that eventually the exaggerations and fabrications surrounding Germany's treatment of the Jews would be swept away after the war, as propaganda and the passions it stoked were replaced by dispassionate gathering and analysis of the facts. They failed to reckon, however, with the rise of Israel and Zionism as a focus of allegiance for the world's Jews. The Zionists regarded the alleged extermination attempt - and the seemingly miraculous rise of a Jewish state and nation which followed it - as the central myth of a reborn Israel. Jews seized on the Holocaust story as a means of rendering criticism taboo and support almost automatic for Israel and the Diaspora. Opponents of Israel were routinely compared to Hitler, while an endless and ubiquitous media Shoah business promoted Holocaust items and themes, from Anne Frank's alleged diary to the latest docudrama, gradually raised the wartime extermination legend to an unassailable sacred cow. The Holocaust propaganda became a tool to generate billions, first as reparations or aid, now as virtual tribute, from West Germany and America. The enemies of German nationalism, form the Soviet Union with its newly consolidated satellite empire in Eastern Europe to leftists and jingoists in Western Europe, not to mention British "balance of power" enthusiasts and the would-be Caesars of an American imperium: all these forces had an interest in maintaining the Holocaust story as a barrier to free investigation of not merely the Jewish experience, but to any objective re-examination of the key historical questions of the Second World War. Nevertheless, despite what Harry Elmer Barnes' called "the historical blackout," a small cohort of open-minded and intrepid writers in Europe and American began to challenge publicly the supposed magnitude of Jewish losses in Europe, and to examine critically the evidence for a German program to annihilate European Jewry. The Revisionists who called for skepticism toward Holocaust claims, and began the hard work of bringing "history into accord with the facts" on this thorny issue, pointed out that the Holocaust was bad history. Paul Rassinier, the French pacifist and socialist who was himself interned in Buchenwald for his part in the French resistance, exposed the lies and exaggerations of his fellow survivors, who blithely testified to the existence of an imaginary gas chamber. Early Revisionists, like Harvard-educated historian David Hogan and German-American Professor Austin App, focused on the disparities between the documented National Socialist Jewish policy and the postwar oral accounts of "survivors," the "confessions" of German prisoners in Allied custody, and the self-serving testimony of witnesses for the prosecution. These and other Revisionist pioneers exposed the rickety statistical foundations of the figure of the six million Jewish dead, paving the way for a efflorescence of critical Revisionist scholarship which began in the 1970's and flourishes today. The coming age of Holocaust Revisionism is best symbolized by the founding of the Institute for Historical Review in California in 1978, enabling the publication of the key findings of such contemporary Revisionist scholars of the Holocaust as Arthur Butz, Robert Faurisson, Wilhelm Stglich, Ditlieb Felderer, Walter Sanning, Henri Roques, Fritz Berg, Mark Weber, Carlo Mattogno, and many others. It should be emphasized that men and women who have dedicated themselves to determining and spreading the truth about the Holocaust are anything but Nazis or unconditional apologists for Germany's National Socialist regime. In fact, Holocaust Revisionists neither subscribe to nor represent a fixed ideology. Politically, Revisionists have come not only >from the ranks of the political right, but also from the left, and even from the ranks of the anti-statist libertarians and anarchists. They run the gamut from fundamentalist Christian to militant atheists (and yes, like Joseph G. Burg and Bezalel Chaim, there are Jewish Revisionists of the Holocaust). Harry Elmer Barnes, for example, expressed himself with increasing frankness on the corrosive effects of the Holocaust propaganda in his last years, was a free-thinking humanist and progressive. As a glance at the roster of the Institute for Historical Review's editorial advisory committee reveals, Revisionists are not merely Germans or of German descent, but include scholars from France, Sweden, Hungary, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Argentina, Australia, and South Africa, as well as Americans of English, Irish, Swedish, French, and Italian extraction. Besides challenging the factual basis of the legend of a wartime Nazi Extermination program for Jews, the Revisionists have sought to establish a historical context for the undeniable persecutions and wrongs which were carried out against the Jews. In this context the Revisionists remind those critics who object, quite rightfully, that the murder of a single Jew is inexcusable, that the willful exaggeration of Jewish losses is similarly intolerable: What man or woman person would condone deliberately multiplying the number of children slain by Israeli soldiers and settlers during the Palestinian intifada? Revisionist scholars further attempt to compare the ordeal of the Jews during the Second World War with the experiences of other groups during that war and indeed throughout the course of history. Here the Revisionists are mindful of the unique status that most Exterminationists, particularly Jews, have tried to arrogate for the Holocaust. Basing their arguments on the false premise that the architects of German's anti-Jewish program planned the systematic killing of all the Jews of Europe, Exterminationists have often minimized the sufferings of non-Jewish civilians. Such has been the power of the Holocaust taboo that the losses of such victims of Axis invasion and occupation as the Poles, Russians, and Ukrainians have been neglected by the Establishment academy and media. It need scarcely be added that the Holocaust devotees who dominate the air waves, the press, and the schools guard against the shedding of even a single tear over the millions of German and other civilian victims of British and American bombers or of the hands-on brutality of Soviet troops. Above all, the Revisionists argue that the Holocaust story and its exploitation form a massive obstacle to the objective history of Western Civilization in the twentieth century. The successful imposition of the Extermination thesis as an unchallengable orthodoxy has helped Western intellectuals and opinion makers to shirk a confrontation with the far bloodier record of Communist regimes, as well as to gloss over sometimes comparable atrocities by regimes and movements, Left and Right, colonialist and revolutionary, around the world. By exploiting the Holocaust taboo, the ideologues of so-called liberal democracy are able to forestall any dispassionate analysis of ideas and movements tarred as "fascist" or "Nazi." The inevitable result has been a general version of the political and historical dynamics of this century which is woefully inaccurate, is not merely useless but dangerous as an aid to understanding the present and the future, and which serves only the short-sighted and selfish interests of small elites. For today's - and tomorrow's - Americans, the consequences of a continued refusal to establish and disseminate the facts, instead of the lies, about the Extermination legend can only be grave. For present-day America is in the grip of what can only be called "Holocaustomania." The purveyors of this contagion - in New York, in Hollywood, in Washington, and in schools all across America - have been working industriously for years now to convert the Holocaust from an alleged historical event to an active present reality. Their mastery of the media has enabled them to vend Holocaust propaganda as edification and entertainment to tens of millions. Their grip on governments - national, state, and local - has allowed them to mandate national holidays in "remembrance" of this historical hoax, to construct museums and memorials for the exhibition of relics and the generation of hatred and guilt. Federal prosecutors and police hunt down "war criminals" fifty years after the fact - or often, the non-fact - but only "Nazi" war criminals - for justice, too, must yield its claims to the Holocaust. Our children are being indoctrinated in a growing number of compulsory programs in the schools, programs which aim not merely at conveying information and reasoning ability, but which attempt to mold emotions and attitudes through techniques of "group learning" and "enforced sensitivity" that recall those of the Communist Chinese in Chairman Mao's heyday. Christian theologians grandly proclaim that the Jewish tales form Auschwitz invalidate the Gospel of Christ, and that Christians and Gentiles bear a moral stain which can be expunged only by eternal allegiance to Israel. The next few decades will be dangerous ones for Americans blinded to past and present realities by Holocaustomania. Like it or not, Germany and Europe are working free from political and economic domination by the rulers of America and Russia. That they will shake free from the historical myths which served to dominate them spiritually is inevitable. In the Soviet Union, the archives are opening, the mass graves are being opened, almost invariably to the embarrassment of those who placed their trust in Stalin's propagandists. Israel has become an international pariah everywhere except in American and among America's dwindling number of subservient clients abroad. A country that can't support itself economically and daily violates the liberal and humane ideals it urges on everyone else - as a matter of its own survival as a state - is not a fit friend for America. To rely on Zionists and their supporters in America to determine our perception of history - particularly through the distorted lens of the obsessive Holocaust hoax - is to court disaster. That is why intelligent, concerned Americans - and people everywhere - owe the Holocaust Revisionists a fair hearing. The brave little band of conscientious scholars and sometimes flamboyant publicists who have risked social and economic ostracism in this country - and physical violence and prison abroad in countries as diverse as France, Canada, Sweden, West Germany, Brazil, and South America - doesn't demand blind faith or unquestioning adherence to a creed. What they ask for is the right to argue their case - from facts, not emotions or covert political agendas - in the public forum, in that marketplace that we Americans have fought to keep open to ideas, even strange and unpleasant ones, ever since this country was founded. For the Revisionists, the right to continue participating in what a French lawyer has called "the intellectual adventure of the twentieth century" without legal or illegal harassment is quite enough. "Why Holocaust Revisionism?" I think Thomas Jefferson answered that question over two centuries ago, when he wrote: "There is not a truth existing which I fear, or would wish unknown to the whole world."COPYRIGHT NOTICE: Permission is hereby granted for reprint of any article contained within, providing that no changes or alterations are made, prior to printing, and also providing that the full stated attribution appears with the Article. Reprinted by permission of Journal of Historical Review, PO. Box 1306, Torrance, CA, 90505, USA. Domestic subscription Rate $40/yr. and Foreign rate $50/yr. 2 copies of each reprint must be submitted to the publisher of the Journal of Historical Review. Articles may be translated into foreign languages only with authors permission. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:53:02 PDT 1995 Article: 8598 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Open Letter to Nat Hentoff Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:20:41 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 156 Message-ID: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 An Open Letter to Nat Hentoff The Village Voice 842 Broadway New York NY 10003 June 1991 Dear Nat Hentoff: Well, Nat, I see you've taken another run at the Jewish-soap story (_Village Voice_, 7 May 91). There you are in Jerusalem in those "eccentrically furnished" rooms that are the Chamber of the Holocaust. You stand there staring at "some bars of soap on a shelf." You turn to an "ancient attendant." He nods. He says: "Jews. They used to be Jews." I'm worried about you, Nat. Something in your brain is turning the Holocaust story into an Addams Family cartoon. The last time you ran this sado-masochistic survivor fantasy past your readers I took time out from my busy schedule to write you a note and pass on to you the words of Holocaust historian Deborah Lipstadt: "The Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap" (L.A. Times, 16 May 81). Remember? She wrote that the Jewish-soap rumor had been "thoroughly investigated after the war and proved to be untrue." I suggested you get in touch with Deborah and ask her about the "thorough investigation" she mentioned. I thought another good idea would be for you to ask the people who run the Chamber of the Holocaust in Jerusalem where they got their Jewish soap in the first place, how its history is documented and how they know it's "Jewish." These were simple questions, Nat, any kid in Journalism 101 would understand why they should be asked. It didn't occur to me that you liked the Jewish-soap fantasy just the way it is. It has now. Why? So that you can exploit it yet again in yet another whiney article on anti-Semitism headed "God Must Have Loved Anti-Semites, He Made So Many Of Them." You never get tired of it, do you? It's never too much trouble to feed the trough of anti-German bigotry, is it? If God does love the anti-Semites, Nat, it might have something to do with the way He feels about how some of you guys behave. In April 1990 Yehuda Bauer, who you probably know directs Holocaust studies at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, stated that the Jewish-soap story was only a rumor. The Bauer statement was carried all over the world by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. I find it difficult to believe you aren't aware of it. Bauer said that during WW II the Germans didn't have the "technical possibilities" for making soap from Jews, or from anyone else I suppose. Raul Hilberg (_The Destruction of the European Jews_) was quoted as confirming Bauer. Maybe you don't trust individuals like Lipstadt, Bauer and Hilberg to give you the real skinny on the Holocaust story. I wouldn't blame you. I haven't trusted them myself for the last ten years. But you have another alternative. You can make a little effort to put your finger on one single proof that the Jewish-soap story is true. When you have found that one proof you can pass it on to key people at the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith and the World Jewish Congress and other like organizations that have been promoting the story for half a century now. They will be very grateful to you. Very grateful. Forget the historians, Nat. The historians are working at cross-purposes with the ADL, the WJC and the rest of that herd. In your article "God Must Have Loved Anti-Semites, He Made So Many Of Them," you appear to be adrift somehow about why there is so much anti-Jewish feeling around the world when in real numbers there are so few Jews and they own such a tiny fraction of real estate. Holocaust deniers. Anger and contempt for Jews in the Black community. Even "blood libel" against Jews. While I can't explain everything to you in one letter, Nat, I do have something for you on the "blood libel" business. You relate the story about Mustafa Tlas, the Syrian minister of defense, who in 1986 published a book titled _The Matzoh of Zion_. The book claims to demonstrate that Jews murder gentile children and use their blood as an ingredient for matzoh at certain rituals. This sort of allegation is what you and other extremist Jews refer to as a "blood libel." When the Mustafa Tlas story broke I followed it for a couple months. I was pretty impressed, believe me, when about ten days after the story appeared Secretary of State George P. Shultz and then Vice President of the United States George Bush both protested the book to the United Nations and the Syrian Government. That's clout. That's influence. That's an example of what Organized Jewry can do about bigots and bigoted books. It was the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the WJC and probably others who got the ball to Shultz and Bush. No one makes a case against Jews for fighting bigotry. It's the double standards about bigotry so prevalent among some Jews that is so frustrating. Now here's what I have for you, Nat. Try and get a handle on this simple, wholesome concept. There never have been any proofs that Jews murder Gentile children to use their blood for matzoh. There have never been any proofs that Germans murdered Jews and used their fat to manufacture hand soap. It's the same shitty story, Nat. Don't you understand? IT'S THE SAME STORY! The Gentile-blood-for-matzoh version of the story is bad for Jews so Jews like you do what you can do discredit it. The Jewish-fat-for-soap version of the story, however, is perceived by poops like you as being useful to Jews so you promote that version. You put what you see as the good-for-Jews version of this blood libel into your museums. You put it into magazines, newspapers, books, television scripts and movies where it corrupts public discourse and contributes to the bigotry and hatred you like to say you are struggling against. This is only one example of the double standards that many of us understand to be a way for some in your circle to win unearned sympathy for Jews at the expense of others. Do you really believe that Blacks and others do not see what you do and don't understand why you do it? Maybe you should step back and ask yourself: Is it really possible that "anti-Semitism" is "everywhere" while everywhere Jews are innocent of all wrongdoing? Nat, I have a simple suggestion for you. Stop exploiting the Jewish-soap fantasy until you have turned up a couple proofs for it. If -- G-d forbid -- your investigation leads you to doubt the story, start working up your apology to the German people for having repeated this blood libel against them in your writings. Contrary to what many of those in your circle may tell you, my sense of things is that in the long run your repentance would be an act of faith in the good sense and good will of all Jews everywhere. Yours truly, Bradley R. Smith (Two hundred fifty of Nat's associates in publishing and his intellectual friends in New York received copies of this open letter. There are no doubt many more who would like to have a look at it.) From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:53:03 PDT 1995 Article: 8599 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.scruz.net!legba.synergy.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!pendragon.jsc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Introduction to the holocaust Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:21:23 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 200 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >From _The Journal of Historical Review_, Vol. 11, Number 2 (Summer 1991): A Brief Introduction to Holocaust Revisionism ARTHUR R. BUTZ Dr. Arthur R. Butz is an associate professor of electrical engineering at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois. He is also the author of a major Revisionist study of the alleged Holocaust, _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_, as well as a member of the IHR _Journal_'s editorial advisory committee. Earlier this year, as Revisionist attempts to spark open debate on the Holocaust ignited controversy at Northwestern, Butz once again found himself in the center of the storm. (For more on this, including the key role played by IHR media project director Bradley Smith, see the May and July 1991 issues of the _IHR Newsletter_.) At the height of the controversy, Butz presented his view of the Holocaust story in a succinct essay that appeared in the school paper, _The Daily Northwestern_, May 13, 1991, under the title "A Short Introduction to the Study of Holocaust Revisionism." Here is the complete text of his piece, which includes a correction of an error that appeared in the Daily Northwestern version: I see three principal reasons for the widespread but erroneous belief in the legend of millions of Jews killed by the Germans during World War II: U.S. and British troops found horrible piles of corpses in the West German camps they captured in 1945 (e.g. Dachau and Belsen); there are no longer large communities of Jews in Poland; and historians generally support the legend. During both world wars, Germany was forced to fight typhus, carried by lice in the constant traffic with the East. That is why all accounts of entry into the German concentration camps speak of shaving of hair and showering and other delousing procedures, such as treatment of quarters with the pesticide Zyklon. That was also the main reason for a high death rate in the camps, and for the crematoria that existed in all. When Germany collapsed in chaos, then of course all such defenses ceased, and typhus and other diseases became rampant in the camps, which quartered mainly political prisoners, ordinary criminals, homosexuals, conscientious objectors and Jews conscripted for labor. Hence the horrible scenes, which however had nothing to do with "extermination" or any deliberate policy. Moreover, the West German camps involved were not the alleged "extermination camps," which were all in Poland (e.g. Auschwitz and Treblinka) and which were all evacuated or shut down before capture by the Soviets, who found no such scenes. The "Final Solution" spoken of in the German documents was a program of evacuation, resettlement and deportation of Jews with the ultimate objective of expulsion from Europe. During the war Jews of various nationalities were being moved east, as one stage in this Final Solution. The legend claims that the motion was mainly for extermination purposes. The great majority of the millions allegedly exterminated were East European - not German or West European - Jews. For that reason study of the problem via population statistics has been difficult to impossible, but it is a fact that there are no longer large communities of Jews in Poland. However, the Germans were only one of several parties involved in moving Jews around. The Soviets deported virtually all of the Jews of eastern Poland to their interior in 1940. After the war, with Polish and other Jews pouring out of the East into occupied West Germany, the Zionists moved large numbers to Palestine, and the United States and other countries absorbed many Jews, in most cases under conditions making impossible a numerical accounting. Moreover, the Polish borders were changed drastically at the end of the war; the country was literally moved west. Historians generally support the legend, but there are precedents for nearly incomprehensible blindness on the part of scholars. For example, throughout the Middle Ages even the Pope's political enemies conceded his false claim that the 4th century Emperor Constantine had ceded rule of the west to the Pope, although all knew very well that Constantine had been succeeded by more emperors. Near unanimity among the academics is especially suspect when there exist great political pressures; in some countries, Holocaust Revisionists have been prosecuted. It is easy to show that the extermination legend merits skepticism. Even the casual reader of the Holocaust literature knows that during the war virtually nobody acted as though it were happening. Thus it is common to berate the Vatican, the Red Cross and the Allies (especially the intelligence agencies) for their ignorance and inaction, and to explain that the Jews generally did not resist deportation because they did not know what was in store for them. If you add all this up you have the strange claim that for almost three years German trains, operating on a continental scale in densely civilized regions of Europe, were regularly and systematically moving millions of Jews to their deaths, and nobody noticed except for a few of our Jewish leaders who were making public "extermination" claims. On closer examination even those few Jewish leaders were not acting as though it were happening. Ordinary communications between the occupied and neutral countries were open, and they were in contact with the Jews whom the Germans were deporting, who thus could not have been in ignorance of "extermination" if those claims had any validity. This incredible ignorance must also be attributed to Hans Oster's department in German military intelligence, correctly labeled "the veritable general staff of the opposition to Hitler" in a recent review. What we are offered in evidence was gathered after the war, in trials. The evidence is almost all oral testimony and "confessions." Without the evidence of these trials there would be no significant evidence of "extermination." One must pause and ponder this carefully. Were trials needed to determine that the Battle of Waterloo happened? The bombings of Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The slaughter in Cambodia? Yet this three-year program, of continental scope, claiming millions of victims, requires trials to argue its reality. I am not arguing that the trials were illegal or unfair; I am arguing that such historical logic as the legend rests on must not be countenanced. Such events cannot happen without generating commensurate and contemporaneous evidence for their reality, just as a great forest fire cannot take place without producing smoke. One may as well believe that New York City was burned down, if confessions to the deed can be produced. Detailed consideration of the specific evidence put forward in support of the legend has been a focus of the Revisionist literature and cannot be undertaken here, but I shall mention one point. The claim of the legend is that there were no technical means provided for the specific task of extermination, and that means originally provided for other purposes did double duty in improvised arrangements. Thus the Jews were allegedly gassed with the pesticide Zyklon, and their corpses disappeared into the crematoria along with the deaths from "ordinary" causes (the ashes or other remains of millions of victims never having been found). Surely any thoughtful person must be skeptical. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:53:04 PDT 1995 Article: 8600 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.scruz.net!legba.synergy.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: The Holocaust Story Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:21:53 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 308 Message-ID: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >From _The Daily Northwestern_ (Northwestern University's newspaper), Thursday, April 4, 1991: THE HOLOCAUST STORY: HOW MUCH IS FALSE? The Case for Open Debate The Contemporary Issue -- No subject enrages America's thought police more than Holocaust revisionism. The politically correct line on the Holocaust story is, simply, it happened. You don't debate "it." You do debate every other historical event of course, but the Holocaust is an exception. If someone does express doubt about some aspect of the Holocaust story, it's politically correct to respond with outrage, contempt and guilt-by-association tactics. We used to call that behavior McCarthy-ite. Now we say it's "progressive." The Holocaust lobby claims that it is a social good when ideology replaces free inquiry, intimidation represses open debate, and when the ideals of the university itself are exchanged for intellectual taboos and not-so-secret political agendas. Let's ask these people -- what makes such behavior a social good? Who benefits? The Historical Issue -- For half a century it has been asserted that during World War II the German State had a policy to "exterminate" the Jews and other peoples of Europe in execution gas chambers. This allegation was institutionalized at the great Nuremberg trial, led by the Soviets and the U.S. While the proceedings at Nuremberg were politically correct, the evidence supports the then Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Harlan Fiske Stone, who called the Nuremberg court simply "a lynching party for Germans." Mainline Holocaust historians are under considerable pressure from Revisionist scholarship to address the more blatant examples of Holocaust fraud and falsehood. Increasingly, academics are committing themselves to publishing their own revisions of the orthodox Holocaust story. The "re-writing" of the Holocaust story has begun in earnest. Auschwitz Arno J. Mayer, chaired professor of European history at Princeton University, has written in his _Why the Heavens Did Not Darken_, that at Auschwitz more people died of "natural causes" than were killed. Mayer is a Jew and himself a refugee from the Nazi regime. British historian David Irving, perhaps the most widely read historian writing in English, has called the Auschwitz death-camp story a "sinking ship" and states that there were "no gas chambers at Auschwitz...." Yehuda Bauer, Director of Holocaust Studies at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, states that it is "patently false" that 4 million Jews and others were killed at Auschwitz. The Auschwitz State Museum has "revised" its half-century-old claim that 4-million humans were killed there. The Museum now says maybe it was 1 million. What documentary evidence does the Museum proffer for the 1 million figure? None. The 4 million number was engraved in stone at Auschwitz where it has been seen by millions of tourists. What to do? A workman was ordered to chisel out the 4 million number. Nothing to it, really. History in the making. But where have those 3 million souls been the last 45 years? And why is no one celebrating? _The Leuchter Report_ contains the results of the first-ever forensic examination of the alleged gas chambers at Auschwitz. The _Report_ is the work of Boston engineer Fred A. Leuchter. It concludes that no mass gassings ever did or ever could have taken place in the so-called gas chambers. The chemical analysis used in the _Report_ was performed by the Alpha Analytical Laboratories in Ashland MA. Fred Leuchter has called for an international commission of scientists and historians to investigate the so-called gas chambers of Auschwitz. Winston Churchill wrote his monumental six-volume history of World War II without mentioning the "gas chambers" or the "extermination" of the Jews. Maybe it slipped his mind. On the other hand, maybe not. Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his memoir _Crusade in Europe_, also forgot to mention the "gas chambers." Why wasn't the weapon used to murder 6 million Jews worthy of a passing reference? Was our future president being "insensitive" to Jews? "The Photographs" We've all seen "The Photographs." Endlessly. Newsreel photos taken by U.S. and British photographers at the liberation of the German camps, and especially the awful scenes at Dachau, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen. We have seen them so many times over four decades we don't even have to ask what "they" are. They're "The Photographs." These documents are typically presented in a way where it is either stated or implied that the scenes resulted from deliberate policies on the part of the Germans. The documents are real. The uses to which they are put are base. There was no German policy at any of those camps to deliberately kill the internees. In the last months of the war Soviet armies were advancing on Germany from the east. The British and U.S. air arms were destroying every major city in Germany with saturation bombing. Transportation, the food distribution system and medical and sanitation services all broke down. That was the purpose of the Allied bombing, which has been described as the most barbarous form of warfare in Europe since the Mongol invasions. It was successful. Millions of refugees fleeing the Soviet armies were pouring into Germany. The camps still under German control were overwhelmed with internees from the eastern camps. By early 1945 the inmate population was swept by malnutrition and by epidemics of typhus, typhoid, dysentery and chronic diarrhea. Even the mortuary systems broke down. When the press entered the camps with British and U.S. soldiers, they found the results of all that. They took "The Photographs." The Allied propaganda machine was laboring furiously to produce anti-German hate propaganda. "The Photographs" became their most successful tools. Today the same tools are still being used to "educate" Americans. Still, at Buchenwald, Dachau and Bergen-Belsen TENS OF THOUSANDS of healthy internees were liberated. They were there in the camps when "The Photographs" were taken. There are newsreels of these internees walking through the camps laughing and talking. Others show joyful, well-fed internees throwing their caps in the air and cheering their liberators. You haven't seen those films and photographs, you say? Why do you think that is? Does it suggest to you questions about the camps that are not politically correct to ask? The Dachau "Gas Chambers" In the first years after the war there was much eyewitness testimony about "mass gassings" at Dachau. In his summing up for the prosecution at Nuremberg, Sir Hartley Shawcross, chief prosecutor for Great Britain, spoke of murder "conducted like some mass production industry in the gas chamber(s) of... Dachau...." Today no responsible scholar attempts to claim that there were mass gassings at Dachau. Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center for Holocaust Studies, states simply: "There were no gas chambers at Dachau." The Jewish Soap Story This ugly rumor has been repeated endlessly in our media and universities. First Amendment scholar Nat Hentoff can write seriously that he has seen human soap made from the "tissues of murdered Jews" displayed on stone tablets in the Chamber of the Holocaust in Jerusalem. Israeli historian Yehuda Bauer and Jewish-American historians like Raul Hilberg and Deborah Lipstadt all state that this anti-German hate story is untrue. Lipstadt writes: "The Nazis never used the bodies of Jews, or for that matter anyone else, for the production of soap." "Eyewitness" Testimony As documentary "proofs" for the mass-murder of the European Jews fall by the wayside, Holocaust historians depend increasingly on "eyewitness" testimonies to support their theories. Many of these testimonies are ludicrously unreliable. Shmuel Krakowski is archives director for Yad Veshem, which is the international center for Holocaust documentation in Jerusalem. Krakowski states that more than 10,000 "eyewitness" testimonies about German atrocities against Jews have been shown to be false at Yad Veshem alone! "Human Skin" Lamp Shades Uncounted Hollywood epics and "eyewitness" testimonies accuse Germans of skinning Jews to make lamp shades from their hides. General Lucius D. Clay, Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation Zone of Germany (1947-49) discovered that the infamous "human skin" lamp shades found at Buchenwald were actually made of "goat" skin. Which of your professors has denounced this cheap anti-German bigotry for what it is? The Free Inquiry Issue -- Students and professors alike should be free to investigate the Holocaust story in the same way they are free to examine every other historical event. This is not a radical point of view. The premises for it were worked out three centuries ago during a little something called the Enlightenment. The tools used to arrive at historical understanding are useless without the rights of Free Inquiry and Open Debate. We are told that it is "anti-Jewish" to question orthodox assertions about German criminality. Yet we find that it is Jews themselves like Mayer, Bauer, Hier, Hilberg, Lipstadt and others who are beginning to challenge the establishment Holocaust story. The charges of anti-Semitism are oftentimes, in fact, used merely to suppress Revisionist scholarship and the free exchange of ideas necessary to judge its merits. Students should be encouraged to question who benefits from promoting false Holocaust stories on the one hand and using charges of "anti-Semitism" to suppress free inquiry into those stories on the other. It is difficult to understand why the concept of Free Inquiry should be so alarming to those who manage our universities. Free Inquiry makes no promise to Revisionism that it does not make to every other school of thought. The promise of Free Inquiry is that it will demonstrate what is true and false in Revisionist scholarship at the same time that it does so for the orthodox Holocaust literature. Free Inquiry does not follow a political or ideological line or it isn't free. Free Inquiry is an equal-opportunity ideal. Christian, Jew and Moslem, Black and White, professor and student and layman -- it's there for everyone. Free Inquiry holds out its arms to each one of us, urging us to embrace it, use it, exhaust it in our passion for understanding. Understanding, however, unlike Free Inquiry, promises NOTHING. That's why there are professors willing to denounce a scholar while refusing to exchange ideas with him. They would rather see certain books suppressed than have to face the awful possibility of coming to understand something that they have committed their lives and their careers to not understanding. The Moral Issue -- When we suppress open debate on the Holocaust we promote bad history and undermine the traditionally humane values of the university. Bad history replaces historical understanding with self-righteous nationalism both here and abroad. It encourages us to scape-goat old enemies and to seek vengeance rather than reconciliation. (It isn't easy, is it, to "reconcile" ourselves with a people that skins Jews and cooks them?) The suppression of Free Inquiry into the Holocaust story corrupts public discourse, institutionalizes double standards of justice, legitimizes charges of guilt-by-association and a moral cowardice in facing our own limitations as individuals and as people. Our refusal to allow critical examination of even the most bizarre accusations made against Germans encourages men and women to bear false witness, betray their chosen professions, and contributes to the vulgarization of Jewish suffering. Enough is enough! - Bradley R. 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(Member: National Association Against Censorship; National Association for College Activities; Free Press Association.) ______________________________________________________________________ From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:53:05 PDT 1995 Article: 8603 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!netnet2.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: A false Witness: Elie Wiesel Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:22:51 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 310 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 *** A Prominent False Witness: Elie Wiesel *** By Robert Faurisson _____________________________________________________________________ Elie Wiesel won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1986. He is generally accepted as a witness to the Jewish "Holocaust," and more specifically, as a witness to the supposed homicidal gas chambers. In the Paris daily "Le Monde" (October 17, 1986, front page), it was emphasized that Wiesel was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize because: These last years have seen, in the name of so-called "historical revisionism," the elaboration of theses, especially in France, questioning the existence of the Nazi gas chambers and, perhaps beyond that, of the genocide of the Jews itself. But in what respect is Elie Wiesel supposed to be a witness to the gas chambers? By what right does he ask us to believe in that means of extermination for a single moment? In an autobiographical book supposed to contain his experiences at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the gas chambers.^1 He does indeed say that the Germans executed the Jews, but . . . by fire, by throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before the very eyes of deportees! No less than that! Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck. Forced to choose between several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In 1956, when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was still alive in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term HOLOCAUST. Today there is no longer a single historian who believes that Jews were burned alive. The myths of the boiling water and of electrocution have also disappeared. Only the gas remains. The gassing lie was spread by the Americans (see the _War Refugee Board Report_, published in November of 1944). The lie that Jews were killed by boiling water or steam (specifically at Treblinka) was spread by the Poles (see Nuremberg document PS-3311). The electrocution lie was spread by the Soviets (see the "Pravda" article of February 2, 1945, page 4, "The Murder Factory at Auschwitz," and the "Washington Daily News" of the same day, page 2). The fire lie is of undetermined origin. It is in a sense as old as war propaganda or hate propaganda. In 1958 Wiesel published the French version of his earlier Yiddish testimony under the title _La Nuit_, with a preface by Francois Mauriac (in English, _Night_, Discus/Avon books, New York, 1969, 127 pages). He said that at Auschwitz there was one flaming ditch for the adults and another for the babies. He wrote: Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames. They were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered its load -- little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it -- saw it with my own eyes . . . Those children in the flames. (Is it surprising that I could not sleep after that? Sleep has fled from my eyes.) (p. 42) A little farther on there was another ditch with gigantic flames where the victims suffered "slow agony in the flames" (p. 43). Wiesel's column was led by the Germans to within "three steps" of the ditch, then to "two steps." "Two steps from the pit we were ordered to turn to the left and made to go into a barracks." (p. 44). An exceptional witness himself, Wiesel assures us of his having met other exceptional witnesses. Regarding Babi Yar, a place in the Ukraine where the Germans executed Soviet citizens and, among them, Jews, Wiesel wrote: Later, I learned from a witness that, for month after month, the ground never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood spurted from it (_Paroles d'etranger_, Editions de Seuil, 192 pages, p. 86). These words did not slip from their author in a moment of frenzy: first, he wrote them, then some unspecified number of times (but at least once) he had to reread them in the proofs; finally, his words were translated into various languages, as is everything this author writes. That Wiesel personally survived, was, of course, the result of a miracle. He has said that: In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why? ("Author, Teacher, Witness," "Time", March 18, 1985, p. 79). In 1954 Germaine Tillion analyzed the "gratuitous lie" in regard to the German concentration camps. At that time she wrote: Those persons [who gratuitously lie] are, to tell the truth, much more numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the concentration camp world -- well designed, alas, to stimulate sado-masochistic imaginings -- offered them an exceptional field of action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation ; we have known others of them -- authentic deportees -- whose sick minds strove to go even beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people said had happened to them. There have been publishers to print some of their imaginings, and more or less official compilations to use them, but publishers and compilers are absolutely inexcusable, since the most elementary inquiry would have been enough to reveal the imposture ("Le Systeme concentrationnaire allemand [1940-1944]," "Revue de l'histoire de la Deuxieme guerre mondiale", July 1954, p. 18, n. 2). Tillion lacked the courage to give examples and names. But that is usually the case. People agree that there were false gas chambers that tourists and pilgrims are encouraged to visit, but they do not tell us where. They agree that there are false "eye witnesses," but in general they name only Martin Gray, the well-known swindler, at whose request Max Gallo, with full knowledge of what he was doing, fabricated the bestseller _For Those I Loved_. Jean-Francois Steiner is sometimes named as well. His bestselling novel _Treblinka_ (1966) was presented as a work of which every detail was guaranteed by oral or written testimony; in reality it was a fabrication attributable, at least in part, to the novelist Gilles Perrault ("Le Journal du Dimanche", March 30, 1985, p. 5). Marek Halter, for his part, published his _La Memoire d'Abraham_ in 1983; as he often does on radio, he talked there about his experiences in the Warsaw ghetto. But if we are to believe an article by Nicolas Beau that is quite favorable to Halter ("Liberation", January 24, 1986, p. 19), little Marek, about three years old, and his mother left Warsaw not in 1941 but in October of 1939, before the establishment of the ghetto by the Germans. Halter's book is supposed to have been actually written by a ghost writer, Jean-Noel Gurgan. Filip Muller is the author of _Trois ans dans une chambre a gaz a Auschwitz_ (Three Years in a Gas Chamber at Auschwitz),^2 (foreword by Claude Lanzmann), which won the 1980 LICRA prize (International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism, headed by Jean-Pierre Bloch, alias Jean Pierre-Bloch). His nauseating bestseller was the work of a German ghostwriter, Helmut Freitag, who did not hesitate to engage in plagiarism (see Carlo Mattogno, _Auschwitz: un caso di plagio_, Edizioni La Sfinge, Parma, Italy, 1986, 30 pages). The source of the plagiarism was _Doctor at Auschwitz_, another bestseller made up out of whole cloth by someone named Miklos Nyiszli. Thus a whole series of works presented as authentic documents turn out to be merely compilations attributable to various ghostwriters: Max Gallo, Gilles Perrault, Jean-Noel Gurgan (?), and Helmut Freitag, among others. We would like to know what Germain Tillion thinks about Elie Wiesel today. With him the lie is certainly not gratuitous. Wiesel claims to be full of love for humanity. However, he does not refrain >from an appeal to hatred. In his opinion: Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of hate -- healthy, virile hate -- for what the German personifies and for what persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the dead ("Appointment with Hate," _Legends of Our Time_, New York, Avon books, 1968, pages 177-78). At the beginning of 1986, 83 deputies of the West German Bundestag took the initiative of proposing Wiesel for the Nobel Peace Prize; that would be, they said, "a great encouragement to all who are active in the process of reconciliation" (West German Government, "The Week in Germany", January 31, 1986, p. 2). That is what might be called "going >from National Socialism to national masochism." Jimmy Carter needed a historian to preside over the President's Commission on the Holocaust. As Arthur Butz said so well, he chose not a historian but a "histrion": Elie Wiesel. Even the newspaper "Le Monde", in the above-mentioned article, was obliged to refer to the histrionic trait that certain persons deplore in Wiesel. It did so in these terms: Naturally, even among those who approve of the struggle of this American Jewish writer, who was discovered by the Catholic Francois Mauriac, some reproach him for having too much of a tendency to change the Jewish sadness into "morbidity" or to become the high priest of a "planned management of the Holocaust." There is no business like SHOAH-business. As Leon A. Jick wrote several years ago: The devastating barb: "There is no business like SHOAH- business" is, sad to say, a recognizable truth ("The Holocaust: Its Use and Abuse within the American Public," Yad Veshem Studies, Jerusalem, 1981, p. 316). Elie Wiesel issues alarmed and inflammatory appeals against Revisionist authors. He senses that things are getting out of hand. It is going to become more and more difficult for him to maintain the mad belief that the Jews were exterminated or were subjected to a policy of extermination, especially in so-called gas chambers. Serge Klarsfeld just recently admitted that real proofs of the existence of the gas chambers have still not yet been published. He promises proofs. He cites his best specimen; it is grotesque (see VSD, interview, May 29, 1986, p. 37). On the scholarly plane, the gas chamber myth is finished. To tell the truth, that myth breathed its last breath a few years ago at the Sorbonne colloquium (June 29-July 2, 1982) over which Raymond Aron and Francois Furet presided. What remains is to make this news known to the general public. However, for Elie Wiesel it is of the highest importance to conceal that news. Thus all the fuss in the media, which is going to increase: the more the journalists talk, the more the historians keep quiet. But there are historians who dare to raise their voices against the lies and the hatred. That is the case with Michel de Bouard, former member of the Resistance, deportee to Mauthausen, member of the Committee for the History of the Second World War from 1945 to 1981 (the date of its integration into the Institut d'Histoire du Temps Present) member of the Institute of France. In a poignant interview in "Ouest-France" (August 2-3, 1986, p. 6), he courageously acknowledged that in 1954 he had vouched for the existence of a gas chamber at Mauthausen where, it finally turns out, there never was one. The respect owed to the sufferings of all the victims of the Second World War, and, in particular, to the sufferings of the deportees, demands on the part of historians a return to the proven and time-honored methods of historical criticism. NOTES 1. There is one single allusion, extremely vague and fleeting, on pages 78-79: Wiesel, who very much likes to have conversations with God, said to Him: "But these men here, whom You have betrayed, whom You have allowed to be tortured, butchered, gassed, burned, what do they do? They pray before you!" (_Night_, New York, Discus/Avon Books, 1969). In his preface to that same book, Francois Mauriac mentioned "the gas chamber and the crematory" (p. 8). The four crucial pages of "testimony" by Elie Wiesel are reproduced in facsimile in: Pierre Guillaume, _Dtroit et Histoire_, Paris, 1986 (80 francs, La Vieille Taupe, BP 9805, F-75224 Paris Cedex 05). In January of 1945, in anticipation of a Russian takeover, the Germans were evacuating Auschwitz. Elie Wiesel, a young teenager at the time, was hospitalized in Birkenau (the "extermination camp") after surgery on an infected foot. His doctor had recommended two weeks of rest and good food but, before his foot healed, the Russian takeover became imminent. Hospital patients were considered unfit for the long trip to the camps in Germany and Elie thus could have remained at Birkenau to await the Russians. Although his father had permission to stay with him as a hospital patient or orderly, father and son talked it over and decided to move out with the Germans (see Dorothy Calden, "The Sunday Sun" [Toronto, Canada], May 31, 1987, p. C4, and _La Nuit_, p. 123-130.) 2. In English: _Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers_, New York, Stein and Day, 1979, XIV-180 p., with a foreword by Professor Yehuda Bauer, Chairman, Institute of Contemporary Jewry, Hebrew University, Jerusalem. _____________________________________________________________________ Robert Faurisson is Associate Professor of French Literature at the University of Lyon-2 in France. He specializes in the appraisal and evaluation of texts and documents. A frequent contributor to _The Journal of Historical Review_, Professor Faurisson has published numerous articles and books, including _Is the Diary of Frank Genuine?_ and _Response a Pierre Vidal-Naquet_. _____________________________________________________________________ IN SUMMATION 1. Elie Wiesel passes for one of the most celebrated eyewitnesses to the alleged Holocaust. 2. Yet in his supposedly autobiographical book _Night_, he makes no mention of gas chambers; rather he claims to have witnessed Jews being burnt alive, a claim now dismissed by all historians. Wiesel gives credence to the most absurd stories of other "eye-witnesses"; he spreads fantastic tales of having escaped gassing in a Buchenwald gas chamber which never existed. 3. The testimony of other famous "eyewitnesses," including Jean-Francois Steiner, Filip Muller, and Miklos Nziszli, has been revealed to have been literary creations of ghostwriters, or indeed plagiarized. 4. It is time, in the name of truth and out of respect for the genuine sufferings of the victims of the Second World War, that historians return to the proven methods of historical criticism, and that the testimony of the Holocaust "eyewitnesses" be subjected to rigorous scrutiny rather than unquestioning acceptance. _____________________________________________________________________ From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 21 23:53:06 PDT 1995 Article: 8604 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!netnet2.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Americans have doubts about the Holocaust Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 03:24:36 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 116 Message-ID: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-09.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ___________________________________________________________________ | | | Alarmed, the Thought Police take a poll, and find out that their | | iron hold over People's minds is indeed slipping! So they are | | stepping up even further their oppressive, one-sided, lie-ridden | | Thought Control operations in a desperate attempt to maintain | | their power over us (who are their "sheep".) They definitely do | | not want their "sheep" to have free access to information, nor | | the ability to share it with others, and they especially do not | | want us to engage in the horrible "criminal act" of thinking for | | ourselves (ThoughtCrime) or, worse yet, questioning their | | key propaganda lies (Ultimate ThoughtCrime). Our brave blows of | | TRUTH against the rotten heart of Big Brother are having their | | impact! | |___________________________________________________________________| >From _The Oregonian_ (owned by the Zionist/Jewish "House of Newhouse"), Tuesday, April 20, 1993 (page A5): "A third of Americans have Holocaust doubts" By David Briggs The Associated Press  The findings of a new poll shock Holocaust survivors, who escaped the systematic extermination of Jews NEW YORK -- A third of Americans are open to the possibility that the Holocaust, Nazi Germany's extermination of 6 million Jews, never happened, a survey released Monday found. Twenty-two percent of respondents to the Roper Organization survey said it seemed possible the Holocaust never happened, and 12 percent said they did not know if it was possible or impossible, the American Jewish Committee said. The findings shocked Holocaust survivors, some of whom have devoted much of their lives to keeping alive the memory of the systematic extermination of Jews during World War II. "What have we done? We have been working for years and years," said a stunned Elie Wiesel, a Nobel laureate who chronicled his experiences at the Auschwitz and Buchenwald concentration camps. "I am shocked that 22 percent... oh, my God." Benjamin Meed, president of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, called the findings alarming. "It was a Jewish tragedy but the message is universal: It happened to Jews, it could happen to anyone." Roper interviewed 992 adults Nov. 14-21 and 506 high school students Oct. 19-30. The margin of error was plus or minus 4 percent for the adult survey and plus or minus 5 percent for the school survey. David Singer, research director for the American Jewish Committee, said the study "is the first attempt ever to systematically get at what Americans know about the Holocaust." The survey found that 72 percent of adults and 64 percent of high school students said it was essential or very important for all Americans to know about and understand the Holocaust. In addition, 63 percent of adult respondents and 54 percent of high school respondents rejected the idea that the Holocaust was not relevant today because it happened almost 50 years ago. But the survey also found a "disturbing" lack of knowledge about the Holocaust, Singer said. For example, it found 65 percent of adults and 71 percent of high school students failed to recognize 6 million as the approximate number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. Thirty-eight percent of adults and 51 percent of high school students did not identify Auschwitz, Dachau and Treblinka as concentration camps. Twenty-two percent of adults and 20 percent of high school students said it seemed possible that the Holocaust never happened, Singer said. Broken down by groups, there was little difference in the responses by age or education. [end of article] From Tmason@inforamp.net Sat Sep 23 12:35:16 PDT 1995 Article: 8882 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!netnet2.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Introduction to the holocaust Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 18:06:55 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ts10-12.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: >For your information Tyrone is one of the computer mavins associated with >that well-known landed immigrant and key Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel. >"Caveat Emptor". A bit behind the tims here. I have not seen mr. Zundel for over 2 years. When I did Know him it was for a period of about4 month's. Please get your information straight. From Tmason@inforamp.net Sun Sep 24 00:02:29 PDT 1995 Article: 9008 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!netnet2.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: More of Mcvays whining about Zundel ...was (Re: ZUNDEL: THE LEGEND CONTINUES!!) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 02:14:48 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <email@example.com> References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <43n <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts2-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:2862 alt.politics.white-power:3971 alt.revisionism:9008 ont.general:21767 >Well that's not quite accurate, is it? Zuendel was convicted of >spreading false news, a criminal code violation. The conviction was >overturned on appeal to the Supreme Court on the grounds that the law >was unconstitutional. That is not the same thing as an acquittal. It's >more like what people mean when they say someone "got off on a >technicality." >But I would not wish to belittle the court's decision: it did hold >that free speech should be protected even at the risk of having to >tolerate a liar. Gee Are you not lucky that Zundel had that law struck sown? From Tmason@inforamp.net Sun Sep 24 08:31:27 PDT 1995 Article: 9056 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!netnet2.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Introduction to the holocaust Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 07:01:49 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts8-08.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >That seems to be Zuendel's technique - he cons others into >posting his drivel for him, while loudly complaining that he >is denied "free and open discussion." Well I have Not seen Mr. Zundel for a few years So i guess it would be hard for him to con me into posting for him. Also If you realy want to Ask Ernst why he is not here. Why not call him voice? His number (Unlike some people who hide) is out in the open. People can reach him 24 hours a day. So who is the coward. One who sit behind a computer screen typing away or someone who openly encourages people to call him????? Since you are making such a big deal about not knowing why he wwill not come and Debate you. Why not call him and ask him yourself instead of asking people (LIke me) that have no idea why??? From Tmason@inforamp.net Sun Sep 24 12:43:16 PDT 1995 Article: 9093 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!fonorola!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Introduction to Mason's "straight facts" Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 19:38:25 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 60 Message-ID: <email@example.com> References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts12-03.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >Speaking of getting one's information straight, Mr. Mason... >In your recent article "66 Questions & Answers," you included >the following: > 5. AUSCHWITZ WAS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF > THAT GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING HUMAN BEINGS > EXISTED AT OR IN AUSCHWITZ? > > No. A reward of $50,000 was offered for such proof, the money > being held in trust by a bank, but no one came up with any > credible evidence. Auschwitz, captured by the Soviets, was > extensively modified after the war and mortuaries were > reconstructed to look like large "gas chambers." It is now a > big tourist attraction for the communist Polish government. >That information is factually incorrect, Mr. Mason. It is, in >fact, a blatent lie. Given your apparent wish that _others_ >"get their information straight," and your obvious dedication >to Truth, will you now retract this lie? Well If you really thought about it you would realize that I'm not the author of this. I just posted it to make it available to people of the internet. You see to do the same. You have made available to the internet files taht Are full of lies and half-truth's Not that this is a lie. You see to shoot of from the mouth about it being a lie yet you show now Evidence to show why it is a lie. You just state that it is a lie. PROOVE IT! >In yet another article, you included the following claim: > The Red Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish > camp inmates no more than 300,000 could have died. >That statement, according to the International Red Cross in >Geneva, is also factually incorrect - in short, another lie. >Will you now retract and admit that your information wasn't >"straight?" Again proove it? CAn you or do you expect people just to take a word from someone like you who Make's available Files taht are Full of lies and half-truth's??? >In yet another article, you including the following: > Even _The Diary of Anne Frank_ is a hoax. Portions of > the diary were written with a ball point pen. These pens > were not in use at the time Anne Frank lived. >Since the government of the Netherlands has conclusively >demonstrated that this is a false assertion - and noted that >the ball point pen writing appeared on two slips of paper >inserted (perhaps as placemarks) into the diary, and no-where >else, will you now retract your false assertion, and admit >that your "information" wasn't "straight?" Again proove it. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 15:04:29 PDT 1995 Article: 3269 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news.netnet.net!netnet2.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!van-bc!fonorola!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.jewish Subject: Re: McVays refusial to call Zundel Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 04:26:03 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <email@example.com> References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-01.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.conspiracy:10707 alt.illuminati:9066 alt.politics.correct:58637 alt.politics.nationalism.white:3269 alt.politics.white-power:4527 alt.revisionism:9565 alt.skinheads:3789 can.general:52374 can.legal:8568 can.politics:5051 ont.general:22074 soc.culture.german:59378 soc.culture.jewish:7520 email@example.com (Ken McVay OBC) wrote: >In article <firstname.lastname@example.org>, >email@example.com (Duncan Campbell) wrote: >>In any event, he says he is ready and willing to "Fly out to >>Victoria and debate McVay". Sounds to me like the best >>bang for yer buck since Max Schmelling met Joe Louis. >Still hasn't got the balls for UseNet, though, does he? >Strange that Mr. Zundel would engage in a "free and open >debate" before a small crowd in Victoria, but is afraid to >engage in that same discussion before a potential audience of >40 million. Well Maybe it is Because he has better things to do that Debate with People like. The man Only has 24 hours in a day. He is On 50+ T.V. Stations. He has 4 Newletters, he has 20 Radio Stations to feed his Radio show to. Then there is the fact that he has to rebuild his house because of people Like you who wise to deny him his right to free speech By promoting hatred toward him. You have made Unfounded accusations toward the man behind his back. He has spoken with James about a Link of Web sites. He has stated that He would consult people about it. The man has More than just the Internet on his mind right now. Unlike You McVay he cannot live on the internet. If you have read the messages to James you would find that he states that HE will do it NOt to benefit Your cause But his OWN!. He also stated that He has to consult with his Lawyer. Some of you people are asking why. Well When you have been dragged before the courts for 10 years By the jews and then a Person representing a jewish cause aproachs you, You would be cautious as well. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 15:52:05 PDT 1995 Article: 9561 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news.netnet.net!netnet2.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!van-bc!fonorola!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Introduction to Mason's "straight facts" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 04:15:41 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts13-01.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 More Hatred from Elias. >Prove to us, Mr. Mason, that you are not a liar. If you can't, then you >are indeed a liar, according to your own criteria. Well You People are the ones Who state how strong your arguments are. So far all you have done is post Information that is Not creditable or crontridicts itself. Mr. McVay has stated Lies up[on lies and I believe Haplo has brought them to light. Were is McVays replies? is he keeping low so he does not have to answear the questions? And then there is dany Karen Who has yet to answear Haplo as well. Is he also hiding to avoid having to answear the questios? is he afraid of the truth???? You have posted nothing but Hatred on the internet. Why not post some facts and join the rest of use in inteligent debate instead of Just spewing the hatred you have been??? >. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 15:52:07 PDT 1995 Article: 9584 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!newshost.comco.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: ZUNDEL: THE LEGEND CONTINUES!!! He's a Nazi! Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:43:41 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.conspiracy:10727 alt.illuminati:9068 alt.politics.correct:58646 alt.politics.nationalism.white:3277 alt.politics.white-power:4545 alt.revisionism:9584 alt.skinheads:3796 can.general:52391 can.legal:8574 can.politics:5063 ont.general:22081 >>>No, but I do it anyway, because I can't resist the temptation of flaming >>>lamers like you, especially when they are sprouting lies. You were >>>talking about your professional revisionist friends, weren't you? >> Why not give the ral reason? You love to PROMOTE HATE!!! Pure and >>simple. You Flame people who disagree with your ideas. You do this >>because you have no facts to back you up. So you resort to Pure >>hatred. >Lame turning-the-table tactic. We've seen it a thousand times before. But Judging By his post it has been well earned. Pure hatred no argument. Like so many others. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 15:52:07 PDT 1995 Article: 9592 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!van-bc!fonorola!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Introduction to the holocaust Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:02:13 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts17-06.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >somebody who knows Ernst Zu"ndel. This shows that Zu"ndel has somebody >else read and answer at least some of his e-mail on his behalf. My point exactly. Thank-you. >I am e-mailing Ernst a copy of this post. go ahead. I'm sure whoever read his mail will probally delete it anyways... From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 16:08:57 PDT 1995 Article: 3297 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!good.freedom.net!news.pepboys.com!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.general,can.legal,can.politics,ont.general,tor.general Subject: Re: Tyrone Mason is HAPLO!!!!! Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:59:40 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 158 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts5-01.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.conspiracy:10776 alt.illuminati:9076 alt.politics.correct:58670 alt.politics.nationalism.white:3297 alt.politics.white-power:4576 alt.revisionism:9616 alt.skinheads:3815 can.general:52414 can.legal:8583 can.politics:5085 ont.general:22099 firstname.lastname@example.org (Elias Halldor Agustsson) wrote: >I leave it to the reader to draw parallels between the styles (there are a >few comments by me at the end, though. Look out for the misspellings) : >As I said, I leave it to the reader to draw his or her own conclusions, >although I would like to add one or two superficial observations. Note >the illiterate use of uppercase characters and a random pattern of >phonetic misspellings, for example "answear," which is the preferred >spelling of both HAPLO and Mason. >Elias >P.S. Sorry about the extra empty lines, but my newsreader won't accept >more quoted text than submitted. Well I would be very curious as to what this prooves besides the fact that we have misspelled some simmilar words? Is this an attempt by Elias to avoid a debate she would loose???? I ahve meet MR. Haplo are a couple of occasions. This does not make him me or me him. Nice way to avoid a debate though. >. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 20:12:13 PDT 1995 Article: 9615 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!siemens!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The Holocaust Story Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 17:36:12 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <email@example.com> References: <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts7-13.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 email@example.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) writes: > > ># CAnada, The ># U.s and other country also hads camps. People died in them as well. ># Does this mean that Canada and the U.S. had a plan for mass ># extermination??. > >No. > >But scenes like the following didn't take place in the camps >run by the US: > >SS-Doctor Kremer about his days at Auschwitz: >[Quoted in 'The Good Old Days' - E. Klee, W. Dressen, V. Riess, The >Free Press, NY, 1988, p. 258]. > > > > >-Danny Keren. Hav you answeared HAPLO's question about your books yet or do plan on ingnoring him? I would be very interested in the reply to his answears. Second this book is from 1988. Were did the autor get his facts???? From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 20:12:14 PDT 1995 Article: 9620 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news.netnet.net!pagesat.net!decwrl!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Lessons From a Trotonto Holocaust class Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 02:00:36 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts11-04.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >It would be nice, however, if Mr. Mason would actually write something of >his own, rather than simply re-posting old crap from the IHR and Zundel's >files... Truth is Truth. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 20:12:15 PDT 1995 Article: 9637 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news.netnet.net!pagesat.net!decwrl!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Is the holocaust a HOAX? Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:57:46 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts11-04.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 > >They can also be convinced that the Earth is flat, that Elvis is still >alive, and that Santa Claus can fit down their chimneys. Are you speaking from Persoanl experience???? Well hell You believe in the Holohoax. guess you must be. >BZZZZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing. Leuchter's credentials (or lack >thereof) has been discussed here for quite some time. If ANYTHING doesn't >add up, it's Leuchter's assertions. Your right it was worng. He WAS America;s leading expert. Till Some jewish groups decided to launch a terror campaighn (hey the PLO are not the only ones). The could not refute him with facts so they found the only way to disproove his claims was to discredit him. Well We know the truth though don;t we???? > >If Leuchter's America's "leading expert," then this is a sad country >indeed. And I'm Queen Victoria. Gee and I thought Sybil was hard to understand. So are you Queen Victoria, Sara AKA Perfect, Or Sara Swartz?? WOw Hard to keep up with All your names. From Tmason@inforamp.net Thu Sep 28 20:12:16 PDT 1995 Article: 9640 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!news.netnet.net!pagesat.net!decwrl!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Introduction to Mason's "straight facts" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 02:04:28 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> <1995Sep25.074712@miavx1> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts11-04.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 >> >> There is no specification as to which part of this statement is claimed to >> be false. There was a reward off of $50,000 for such proof, and no one >> came forward with evidence. This is a fact. >That is a lie, Mr. Raven. >Mel Mermelstein came forward and won a court decision >against the IHR for $50,000 plus some extra. >Whether or not _you_ believe Mermelstein had proof >is a different matter. The court did not share your >opinion. You should realy keep up to speed. the fact is that he was awarded that amout yes. BUt NOT FOR PROOF. Just for saying he was Insulted by the statment. Poor little Jewish boy couldn't come up with Facts so he Said "My feelings were hurt" and the Judge Gave him 90,000. Gee I wonder if he gave the Judge any????. From Tmason@inforamp.net Sat Sep 30 08:44:55 PDT 1995 Article: 9803 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.cyberstore.ca!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!fonorola!inforamp.net!usenet From: Tmason@inforamp.net (Tyrone Mason) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: A false Witness: Elie Wiesel Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:51:22 GMT Organization: InfoRamp Inc., Toronto, Ontario (416) 363-9100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts10-04.inforamp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 email@example.com (Daniel Keren) wrote: >Greg Raven wrote: ># In a pit, oxygen is in short supply. >Can anyone understand what this sentence means? Well Danny boy. If you would quote the whole paragraph around the sentence you would probaly be able to figure it out.
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