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From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 11:44:02 PDT 1995
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Anti-Fascist Militia
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Jack Zunti claims that the "fascist flag" has been flown in Croatia.
Which flag is being referred to here, the Croatian national flag?
In what sense is this a fascist flag? Perhaps, according to Zunti,
because it has ommitted a Red Star?

Those seeking to find fascism in the Croatian government are sadly
mistaken. Franjo Tudjman is a former Communist and former supporter
of the Communist Tito regime. During WWII, he fought against Axis
troops and the Croatian Ustache regime under Ante Pavelic.

At the same time, Slobodan Milosevic has consistently made loud
anti-Croatian noises in the guise of Serbian nationalism and has
supported the Bosnian Serbs in this regard. If one is to look for
evidence of "fascism" (as defined by Zunti) in the former Yugolslavia,
perhaps one should look beyond Croatia in this regard.

If the Croatian regime was in any way fascist, it would long ago
have struck the Bosnian Serbs. The patience shown by Tudjman 
is not indicative of fascism but, on the contrary, symptomatic of
an overly cautious and very tolerant approach to naked Serb
aggression in Bosnia.

Geoff Lupton

--
History and vocation no longer consist in struggle of class against
class, dogma against dogma, but in the struggle between blood and
blood, race and race, people and people and values of soul against
values of soul.					- Alfred Rosenberg


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 11:44:07 PDT 1995
Article: 1584 of can.politics
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Anti-Fascist Militia
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Jack:

Rest assured that nothing you have ever said in regards to fascism
have intimidated me one iota. I have come across your type many
times before and am more than capable in facing you. I simply have
not had any specific comments to add to the ongoing debate.

That being said, I should point out that I never stated my support
for the Tudjman regime in Croatia. In fact, one could claim that
the current Croatian government  is actually suppressing native
Croatian fascists (I ahve seen such reports) and, to my knowledge,
Tudjman is not particularly liked by the Croatian Right. Of course,
you would agree with me that it is the Croatian people's decision
who govens them and no one else's.

The danger in commenting on "fascist" tendencies in the Balkans is
the extreme level of ethnic tensions that permeate the entire region.
Furthermore, the Left's degredation of the term "fascist" has made
it almost meaningless when trying to ascribe certain characteristics
to the Craots, Serbs or others. Just as you said Tudjman's former
Communist loyalties are insignificant, the same could easily be
said for Milosovic. Similiarly, the use of certain flags would not
be important, to use your logic. 

The indiscriminate manner in which you bandy around the term "fascist"
merely serves to debase the term and confuse the public. Until you
are willing to discuss fascism in an honest and correct manner, I
would suggest you refrain from labelling as such those things you
know (or should know) are not fascist.

FYI, I change my quotes weekly. The Hitler quote was long ago replaced.

Geoff Lupton

--
History and vocation no longer consist in struggle of class against
class, dogma against dogma, but in the struggle between blood and
blood, race and race, people and people and values of soul against
values of soul.					- Alfred Rosenberg


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep  4 00:30:49 PDT 1995
Article: 1648 of can.politics
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Anti-Fascist Militia
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Jack:

You have made several points which should be directly addressed.
With respect to Bosnia, I agree with both you and Reform that
Canada has no real interest in the area and our troops should be
withdrawn. Of course, this could also be said of every "peace
keeping" mission we have ever been foolish enough to join at the
behest of the UN, from which we should also withdraw forthwith.

Your views on Hitler and fascism require rebuttal. It is an open
question among academics whether or not Hitler and the National
Socialists were part of the general fascist phenomenon or a
separate entity. My own feeling is that Hitler and the Nazis were
a German variation on fascism but still related to other similar
movements.

I agree that Hitler supported law and order and the death penalty,
as did most Germans. However, the same could be said for the vast
majority of Canadians today. Surely you are not going to suggest
that this means Canada is fascist today (or are you?).

However, I disagree that Hitler sought to dismantle the welfare
state measures statred under the Weimar regime. On the contrary,
many social welfare measures (pensions, medicare, baby bonuses,
etc.) were actually expanded under the Hitler, as they were also
in Italy under Mussolini.

Social justice was fostered through programs like "Strength
through Joy" and the German Labour Front, the Nazi version of
the Dopolovaro system in Italy. Fascist corporatism, when
understood correctly, can be seen as a very effective vehicle to
increase opportunities for social harmony and class cooperation.
In Germany, one of the startling results of the ascension of
the Nazis to power was the consequent loss of power of the old
Prussian Junker ruling class in favour of the bourgeosie. While
this may not be seen as progress by the Left, it was quite a
change in Germany and was much resented by the old elites, who
eventually sought to exact their revenge via the bomb plot
of July 20, 1944.

Obviously, neither of us are going to convince each other of our
respective positions on fascism. However, I am more than willing
to conduct an ongoing debate on this question if you so desire.
It is my long-held wish that a rational debate on the postive
aspects of fascism be encouraged by all sides. Hopefully, we
can initiate something productive in this regard.

Geoff Lupton

--
History and vocation no longer consist in struggle of class against
class, dogma against dogma, but in the struggle between blood and
blood, race and race, people and people and values of soul against
values of soul.					- Alfred Rosenberg


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep  6 08:55:11 PDT 1995
Article: 6226 of alt.revisionism
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Re: Nazi treatment of Jews is like government treatment of poor
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Ah, John. Back again at last. No longer posting from work, I see
(time being 17:37 on this one). Did Daryl Bean take away your
Net privileges after Les and Sylvie exposed your meanderings at
PSAC (playing on the Net at work)?

Just wondering about two things, John. First, why didn't you address
my remarks in can.politics, where this was originally posted? And
secondly, why invite comments from others without submitting one
of your own? Nothing to say about this one, John?

Geoff Lupton

--
The order of society rests upon an inequality which cannot be 
abolished, but which is as inseparable from Man as life and
death.
						- Walther Darre


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep  7 17:55:10 PDT 1995
Article: 2440 of alt.skinheads
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Skins & Bikers
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Several years ago, the Aryan Resistance Movement, based in British
Columbia, succeeded in forging an alliance between bikers and skins.
The bikers, led by one Al Hooper, seemed to direct ARM from behind
the scenes, leaving most public activity to the skins, who composed
the vast majority of the ARM membership.

Geoff Lupton

--
The order of society rests upon an inequality which cannot be 
abolished, but which is as inseparable from Man as life and
death.
						- Walther Darre


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  8 14:48:56 PDT 1995
Article: 2501 of alt.skinheads
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: ADL: Skinhead International: Canada
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Several anachronisms and falsehoods appear in the ADL report
(surprise, surprise) that Ken McVay has posted about the
skinheads in Canada.

First, the Heritage Front does not have a "youth wing" or any other
similar organization. It is hard to see how George Burdi could
lead something that does not exist.

Second, the ADL report mentions the Aryan Resistance Movement and
the publication _Canada Awake_, neither of which exist today. In
fact, this report is rife with past manifestations being passed
off as current events.

Either the ADL and its lackey Ken McVay is ssadly misinformed about
the current skinhead scene in Canada, or its is deliberately
misleading readers. The first option would make them fools, but
the second would make them liars.

Geoff Lupton

--
The order of society rests upon an inequality which cannot be 
abolished, but which is as inseparable from Man as life and
death.
						- Walther Darre


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Sep  9 12:00:41 PDT 1995
Article: 2549 of alt.skinheads
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: what does ADL stand for?
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ADL stands for the Anti-Defamation League. The ADL is the political
arm of B'Nai Brith, a Zionist organization based in the USA. The
ADL, like BB, can be found in many Western countries, as would be
expected given the internationlist mission of Zionism and the innate
inability for Jewish leaders anywhere to distrust their hosts and
feel the need to monitor them. It is still unclear who gave the ADL
and its Gentile lackeys like Ken McVay the divine authority to do so.

Geoff Lupton

--
The order of society rests upon an inequality which cannot be 
abolished, but which is as inseparable from Man as life and
death.
						- Walther Darre


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 10 00:04:26 PDT 1995
Article: 2408 of can.politics
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Anti-Racist Action (toronto)
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Racism, no matter how subtle or overt, is a manifestation of
human nature. When left to their own devices, most people will
automatically choose to associate primarily with their own kind.
Only someone holding a Ph.D in psychiatry could believe otherwise
and claim to uphold the banner of egaliatarianism and liberalism.
The latter ideals are flights of fancy, and nothing more. Racism
is here to stay. Work with it!

Geoff Lupton

--
The order of society rests upon an inequality which cannot be 
abolished, but which is as inseparable from Man as life and
death.
						- Walther Darre


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Sep 11 04:54:54 PDT 1995
Article: 2559 of can.politics
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Racism is here to stay (was: Anti-Racist Action)
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I agree that other innate characteristics (some of which you have
cited) also constitute human nature. However, not all facets of
our collective identities should be suppressed just becuase some
recent trends in social thought have deemed them to be "evil".

For example, during the late 1960s, the so-called "hippies" were
great believers in "free love" and "universal brotherhood", which
they claimed as panaceas for all the evils of the world. In the end,
they only served to fool themselves with such nonsense.

Misplaced altruism is not only foolish but suicidal. There are only
so many tears that can fall from the White man's eyes over our 
alleged shortcomings vis-a-vis other racial groups. It is time to
start defending our own interests. In all likelihood, many Whites
today secretly agree with these concerns but are too afraid to admit
it at the present time. All this will change in due course...

Geoff Lupton

--
The order of society rests upon an inequality which cannot be 
abolished, but which is as inseparable from Man as life and
death.
						- Walther Darre


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 08:11:03 PDT 1995
Article: 2734 of alt.skinheads
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: what does ADL stand for?
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Jenn Starkman and other interested parties should note that I
did not make the suggestion in this thread or elsewhere that
Jewish groups should me monitored. To the best of my knowledge,
I have never recommnded such a thing, which would be tantamount
to lowering oneself to the levels of the ADL and the Ken McVays
of this world. Some of us have better things to do with our
time than engage in alarmist campaigns about the need to monitor
and suppress our enemies. However, such a notion would never
presnt itself to McVay and Starkman, who seem to make their
dubious anti-fascist crusades virtually a full-time occupation.

Geoff Lupton

--
The State, in the Fascist view, is not an entity foreign to the
individual or standing in constant opposition to him; rather it is
the very fount of authority and liberty, the supreme, universal and
necessary aim of his life.			- Roberto Farinacci


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 13 11:25:19 PDT 1995
Article: 2781 of alt.skinheads
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: ADL: Skinhead International; Hungary
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Good to see that the Hungarian skinheads are aware of their nation's
ideological heritage and are trying to raise consciousness there.
Ferencz Szalasi and the Arrow Cross movement was one of the most
innovative and dynamic fascist parties of the interwar years. Little
wonder that the cowardly Hungarian administration has seen fit to
ban the Arrow Cross symbol. Luckily, at least the skinheads will
work to keep the memory of Szalasi alive.

Geoff Lupton

--
The State, in the Fascist view, is not an entity foreign to the
individual or standing in constant opposition to him; rather it is
the very fount of authority and liberty, the supreme, universal and
necessary aim of his life.			- Roberto Farinacci


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Sep 14 12:54:30 PDT 1995
Article: 3019 of can.politics
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: National Socialism Primer
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Yes, your ideas are indeed racist, not to mention extremely
ignorant and not a little bizarre to mention.

What other ethnic groups do you hold such views or are you own
of those sheeple who only subject Germans to such attacks?

Geoff Lupton

--
The State, in the Fascist view, is not an entity foreign to the
individual or standing in constant opposition to him; rather it is
the very fount of authority and liberty, the supreme, universal and
necessary aim of his life.			- Roberto Farinacci


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 14:22:13 PDT 1995
Article: 3161 of can.politics
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Anti-Racist Action (toronto)
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It seems to me that a nefarious suggestion has been made that
Whites are inherently lazy. This ridiculous claim has been made
by those who hypocritically claim to be opposed to the notion
of racial differences.

The fact of the matter is that concrete racial differences can
and do exist. Why is this reality so impossible to grasp? Why
can't this just be accpeted without resort to sanctimonious
reactions from those who want to promote the opposite view?

Ask yourself honestly: if you were to walk into a cafeteria
which was voluntarily segregated into White and Black ( a
hypothetical exmaple for the sake of discussion). You are a
White person confronted with a dilemma. There are only two
seats left vacant. One is in the White section, one is in
the Black area. You are totally free to choose where to sit.
Where would you sit? Be honest now. If a Black then came in,
where would he/she sit? We all know the answer.

Why do racial minorities within large urban centres choose
to live in areas principally populated by their own kind?
Why do Chinatowns exist? Why do Blacks tend to live with
other Blacks rather than Whites? These are conscious choices
made on a voluntary basis. If anything, govermnet propaganda
encourages integration, a notion rejected by most Whites and
non-Whites. Wake up and smell the coffee!

Those pursuing such ideas as "universal brotherhood" and
"international solidarity" are fooling nobody but themselves.
Those wilfully blind people who aspire to become "citizens
of the world" will eventually come to realize that, after all
is said and done, they really have nowhere to call "home".
Hopefully, this will dawn on them before it is too late.

Geoff Lupton

--
The State, in the Fascist view, is not an entity foreign to the
individual or standing in constant opposition to him; rather it is
the very fount of authority and liberty, the supreme, universal and
necessary aim of his life.			- Roberto Farinacci


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep 15 14:22:14 PDT 1995
Article: 3169 of can.politics
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Dennis Mills
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Dennis Mills is a Liberal MP and is currently sitting in the
federal Parliament representing the riding of Broadview -
Greenwood. He was most recently in the news for defending the
old pension scheme for federal MPs.

Geoff Lupton

--
The State, in the Fascist view, is not an entity foreign to the
individual or standing in constant opposition to him; rather it is
the very fount of authority and liberty, the supreme, universal and
necessary aim of his life.			- Roberto Farinacci


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Sep 17 12:36:58 PDT 1995
Article: 2040 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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Subject: Re: THREE PARTY SYSTEM
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A Fascist party to enter US politics? Right on! Where do I sign up?

Geoff Lupton

--
The State, in the Fascist view, is not an entity foreign to the
individual or standing in constant opposition to him; rather it is
the very fount of authority and liberty, the supreme, universal and
necessary aim of his life.			- Roberto Farinacci


From bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Sep 20 11:37:26 PDT 1995
Article: 3274 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Lets exchange our ideas: An olive branch to the white supremacists.
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Much of the confusion over ideology in this thread results from
a general misunderstanding of the essence of fascism itself. This
is a problem that aflicts the vast majority of people, given the
ongong and systematic abuse of the term by the media and academia.

Technically speaking, it is possible to be a Fascist without also
embracing racialism. However, a non-racialist fascism would have
little chance of survival in a multi-racial state like America.
Italian Fascists did not introduce Race into official ideology
until Mussolini allied himself with Hitler because they really was
no race question in Italy. Thus, racialism was not present because
there was no racial threat.

National Socialism (a variation on generic fascism) embraced Race
because of the very real threat posed to the survival of Germany
by some influential Jews. Thus, Hitler chose to identify the enemy
in racial terms and emplyed
racialist values in Nazi ideology. However, he remained a fascist.

The bottom line here is that fascism is an organic philosophy. The
Nation and Race are the two most cogent examples of the organic
nature of human society. No society can long survive and prosper
without forging a racial State. It is to this mission that all
true fascists are committed.

Geoff Lupton

--
Fascism is real insurrection - an insurrection of feeling - a
mutiny of men against the conditions of the modern world. The
Fascist acts, in fact, instinctively and not theoretically.
						- James Drennan


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From: bj695@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Geoff Lupton)
Subject: Re: Analysis of the Right-Wing Factions
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Of course, the usual problem arises that, when discussing fascism,
one has to start with an operational definition. This is virtually
impossible in the current climate given the ongoing debasement of
said term and the general lack of understanding among many White
Nationalists about what fascism is actually all about. Thus, one 
can hardly talk about "neo-fascists" when these same people show
such ignorance about the original fascists. Until said people can
demonstrate a working knowledge of generic fascist ideology, they
should stop referring to themselves in such terms. Conversly, others
should not dignify these individuals and "movements" with the term
fascism, which should be reserved exclusively for real fascists.

Geoff Lupton

--
Fascism is real insurrection - an insurrection of feeling - a
mutiny of men against the conditions of the modern world. The
Fascist acts, in fact, instinctively and not theoretically.
						- James Drennan



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