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From: Joe Lockhart 
Subject: Karl Marx - Jews and Revolution
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Jews and revolution


" Thus when, after the chaos of World War I, revolutions 
finally erupted all over Europe, Jews were everywhere at
the helm: Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev and Zinoviev
in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Kurt Eisner in Bavaria,
 and, most improbable of all, Rosa Luxemburg in Berlin."


" .... To many minds, at the beginning of this century,
the very words radical and Jew were almost one
and many a left-wing thinker or politician was
taken  to  be  Jewish  through  the  very  fact of his radicalism."

"...Von Plehve, the Tsarist Minister of the Interior,
who waged an instant war against revolutions and revolutionaries
(and was in the end assassinated by them),
felt that they were almost a Jewish phenomena, and he
told Herzl that although Jews formed less than five per cent
of Russia's population, they formed more than fifty per 
cent of its revolutionaries."
                          
"...most of the leading revolutionaries who convulsed 
Europe in the final decades of the last century and 
the first decades of this one, stemmed from prosperous 
Jewish families..."
 
Karl Marx the Jewish father of revolution.

"They were perhaps typified by the father of revolution,
Karl Marx. Marx was born in. 1818, in the Rhineland city
of Trier.  His paternal grandfather had been Rabbi of the town.
His father, an ambitious lawyer..."

Marx and Jews


"To Marx Jews meant money and as such they were
central to the basic problems of the age.
'What is the secular basis of Judaism?' he asked.
Practical need, selfishness. What is the secular cult of the
Jew? Haggling. What  is this secular god?  Money. 
Well,  then! Emancipation  from haggling  and money,
>from  practical, real Judaism would be the self-emancipation
of our time."

"'Money', he said, 'is the jealous God of Israel,
beside which no other God may stand. Money
degrades all the gods of mankind and turns them 
 into commodities.' 



"He was aware that the commercialism of the Jews
was in part imposed  by circumstances, but argued 
that they then sought to impose their mores on the
western world and that in America, in particular,
Judaism had reduced Christianity to an article
of commerce:"

"With the Jew and without him, money has become
a world-power and the practical spirit of the Jews has
become the practical spiritof the Christian  peoples.
The Jews have emancipated themselves to the extent
that the Christians  have become Jews."

" And that, he believed, would come with the extinction
of the market economy, for if the market was the expression
of  Judaism, then there could be no Judaism without the
market, and no Jews."  

>From  "The Jews"  
Cham Bermant
Page 160-162


The European Christian Defence League
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From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Mon Apr  8 07:52:36 PDT 1996
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From: Joe Lockhart 
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Britain and Mad Cow Disease - What are they to do?

Britain announce to the world that they would have to kill and incinerate over 4.7 million cows.
They say that will take about 15 years.

In order to speed up the process, why doesn't the government of Britain ask Poland to allow them
the re-open Auschwitz? 
     Auschwitz and it's physics defying crematoriums can do the job in about 6 months. You
can run the crematoriums 24 hrs a day 7 days a week. No need of repair. Near by farmers can tell
what type of cow is being burned by the colour of flames coming out of the chimney. 
     If you want, they can even make you a leather lamp shade. Or how about a bovine bar of
soap? No problem at Auschwitz.
     Don't worry about all the bones left in huge piles, because at Auschwitz, they have the only
crematoriums in the world that can burn a body right down to ashes. Our ovens require no warm-
up time or cool-down time like those state-of-the-art ones in the nineties.  And if you're worried
about what you will  burn the bodies with, don't fret, we don't need piles of coal or fuel to run our
ovens, but heck, that never stopped us before. 
     If the ovens break-down we will simply dig a big pit and let the cows burn by spontaneous
combustion. No fuel required.




From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Tue Apr  9 07:36:10 PDT 1996
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From: Joe Lockhart 
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"The Jews own Hollywood, the Jews control Hollywood."
"You have seen every stereotype, except the kike"

Marlon Brando, Live on Larry King.





From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Thu Apr 11 07:47:48 PDT 1996
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From: Joe Lockhart 
Subject: Re: Supreme Court attacks freedom of speech!
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jerryhal@vcn.bc.ca (Gerald H.Hall) wrote:
>NEWS ITEM:
>
>Supreme Court attacks freedom of speech!
>


Gerald, where have you been for the last ten years???
Freedom of speech died in Canada over ten years ago. (1984)

The Malcolm Ross case was a case of freedom of 'religion.'
Because of its out-come, freedom of religion other than
'politically correct' religion is DEAD!

The bottom line is now that the Supreme Court can tell
you what you can and cannot believe, (thanks to special
intrest groups) who is next? Police officers? City employees?
The list is endless.

The Eurpoean Christian Defence League
P.O. Box 345 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
R3C 2H6 (204) 775-0878 Fax 786-3064

For further information about the Ross case, send
$5.00 for a copy of the April Trumpet of Truth.




From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Thu Apr 18 15:03:13 PDT 1996
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>Archive/File: people/z/zundel.ernst/press/western-jewish-bltn.041296
>Last-Modified: 1996/04/18
>
>Source: Western Jewish Bulletin, April 12, 1996. A1, A6
>
>
>
>Mr. Zundel recently lost a Federal Court battle to have a stay
>of proceedings of the SIRC hearing. The committee is reviewing
>a finding by CSIS that Mr. Zundel is not eligible for Canadian
>citizenship because he is a threat to the security of Canada.
>He has been convicted in his native Germany for
>Holocaust-denial writings.
>


Ken, please explain how Zundel is a 'threat' to national security?



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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
>> I am just wondering; how many of you white power people would solve
>> 
>> 1 Black honey + 1 White dude?
>> 
>> If you are so obsessed with protecting white women from the "evil"
>> Black man, what is your viewpoint if the woman wears the melanin?
>> 
>> I know some of the CLOCers get pretty horny over this.
>> 
>> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?
>
>Probably all of them, idiot.  SHARP stands for "Skin Heads Against Racial
>Pride".
>
>Les
>
Get it right Les, it's "Shit Heads Against Racial Pride."




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The Western Separatist Papers, by Doug Christie

http://ftcnet.com/~/separat/dec94.html



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Joe Lockhart  wrote:
>The Western Separatist Papers, by Doug Christie
>

oops..this is the right one..

>http://ftcnet.com/~wcc/separat/dec94.html
>




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fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote:
>Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>: In article <3166D3CA.302A@spectra.net> conrad@spectra.net "Rad" writes:
>
>: > Marlin Brando is so old, rich and famous he can afford to tell the 
>: > truth. The Jews do control Hollywood. But more than that, they control 
>: > all thought in America and the entire white world. It really sucks.
>
>: How do the Jews "control all thought" in the "white world"?
>
>Through a secret ingridient in gefilte fish, of course. Not to
>mention through the strict separation of meat and milk. Were it not
>for Jewish thought control, MacDonald's would sell cheeseburgers.
>
FYI.. there is a MacDonald's in Israel, and they have
Kosher burgers and DO NOT HAVE CHEESEBURGERS!! or Milk Shakes.
But that's OK in the 'Jewish' state of Israel. What every happened
to separation of church and state that we hear American Jews cry about
all the time??????

The European Christian Defence League
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From ecdl@wpg.ramp.net Fri Apr 19 18:44:28 PDT 1996
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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>In article <316ff474.4548891@news.netdoor.com>, 
>adruid@netdoor.com (dannie hawkins) wrote:
>
>>See, there you go again. If you would le.... oops, sorry 'bout that,
>>idiots cannot learn.
>
>As evidenced by the fact that Mr. Hawkins is still pimping for
>that coward among men, Tom "Get someone else to kill them for
>us" Metzger, White Aryan Refuse.
>
Mc OyVay... is this the kind of stuff you get paid
1,500 bucks a month for? Give it up!



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evil Beavis  wrote:
>Joe Lockhart wrote:
>> 
>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>> >Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
>> >> I am just wondering; how many of you white power people would solve
>> >>
>> >> 1 Black honey + 1 White dude?
>> >>
>> >> If you are so obsessed with protecting white women from the "evil"
>> >> Black man, what is your viewpoint if the woman wears the melanin?
>> >>
>> >> I know some of the CLOCers get pretty horny over this.
>> >>
>> >> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?
>> >
>> >Probably all of them, idiot.  SHARP stands for "Skin Heads Against Racial
>> >Pride".
>> >
>> >Les
>> >
>> Get it right Les, it's "Shit Heads Against Racial Pride."
>
>
>I have more pride in my white, Scandinavian heritage that you racist lowlives can ever 
>hope to have...
>
>eB


Sure... Now tell us the one about Snow White and the Seven dwarfs!!



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jerryhal@vcn.bc.ca (Gerald H.Hall) wrote:
>News Item
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Here, read this..


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    A gay-friendly code

Vision-TV wants to ban anti-gay comments

 0utspoken American evangelist  Jerry Falwell says homosexuals  are "anti-family moral perverts" who want the right to
sexually violate children. Last month, he also accused Vision-TV, Canada's government-approved, multifaith cable
network,  of plotting to censor his comments,  and prevent him and other Christians from preaching against the sinful,
debauched gay lifestyle.
  Earlier this year Toronto gay activist Ron Kidd complained to Vi sion's president Fil Fraser, a former chief commissioner
of the Alberta Human Rights Commission, about Mr. Falwell's Old Time GospelHour, which airs on the network. In a
private letter to Mr. Kidd, Mr. Fraser agreed that the Virginia-based preacher had made "damaging" comments about gays
and pledged that Vision would amend its code of ethics to prevent future recurrences.
  Mr. Fraser's letter was leaked in March to Xtra!, Canada's leading gay magazine, which lauded Mr. Fraser's willingness
to take action against "hateful programming."Xtra! also reported that Mr. Fraser's letter contained a promise to help
promote the gay lifestyle on Vision by providing Toronto's homosexual Metropolitan Community Church with $30,000 to
produce six half-hour programs. 
  Last month, Mr. Falwell sent 10,000 letters to his Canadian supporters urging them to write Vision's board of directors
protesting the impending infringement on religious free speech. He also threatened to leave Vision if it changed its ethics
code.
  Mr. Falwell's mailing promoted so many letters to the network (it refused last week to divulge how many) that the board
of directors asked Mr. Fraser to explain the sudden increase in volume. Vision's board includes Walter Pittman, a former
Ontario NDP leader, and Irving Abella, past president of the Canadian Jewish Congress, and husband of feminist Ontario
Appeal Court judge Rosalie Abella, who three months ago penned the decision lowering Ontario's age of consent for anal
sex to 14 from 18.
  Mr. Fraser explained that the letters stemmed from an article published by profamily REAL Women of Canada. He then
dismissed the campaign as orchestrated by a special interest group biased against Homosexuality. Mr. Fraser also denied
that he had promised to change Vision  policy, but insisted Vision should accept only those shows that champion "fairness
and equity,"
while not "curtailing Christian values."
  But Vision spokesman Ellie Skrow confirmed last week that the network is working on  unspecified amendments to its
code. She said only Mr. Fraser could elaborate on what the  changes were, but added that he would not speak to the
media because "he is not anxious to talk about this issue  in any way. "She also confirmed the production deal with
Toronto's Metropolitan  church, but added it had not been finalized.
 Rev. Dick DeWert, senior pastor of Victory Christian Fellowship in Lethbridge, who  last  April  received Canada's
first-ever licence for a Christian television station, says the controversy is  further  proof that Bible-based Christianity is
at risk  on Vision. Changes in the network's structure  last year reduced its dependence on evangelicals. During its first six
years, up to 80% of Vision's  revenue came from airtime purchased by televangelists. Now, the network refuses to accept 
more than half its income from ndependent evangelicals, so, Rev. DeWert says, it does not  have to pay as  much heed to
evangelicals' concerns. 
  He believes the remedy is more  private Christian television licences. "For too long evangelicals have had to buy time on
networks where they've had to face these kinds of ethics codes, "he says.  "We  don't want to be politically correct. We 
want to  be biblically correct."

 Michael Jenkinson
Alberta Report July31,1995 15

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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>In article <4l6t34$mf0@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
>bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>
>>I didn't know Israel had DECLARED WAR on Lebanon.  Why else are they
>>firing weapons into LEBANESE TERRITORY?
>
>I find it instructive that Mr. Griswold has neglected
>mentioning the terrorist attack in Egypt yesterday... why do
>you suppose that is true? 
>
>I also find it interesting that he did not note a salient fact
>concerning this tragic mess: that the terrorists firing
>rockets into Israel did so from a site a mere 300 meters from
>the UN camp. Why, one can only wonder, did they chose that
>sight?
>
Of cource.. Mc GoyVay jumps to the defence of 'God's Chosen' ones.
Typical of a proselyte to defend the undefendable. But then again
you better make your 1,500 bucks a month worth of noise.

Looking for NetZees...makes ya wonder!!




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cpc-ml@fox.nstn.ca (CPC(m-l)) wrote:
>
>NO "ANTI-TERRORIST" STATES HAVE THREATENED THE TERRORIST STATE OF
>ISRAEL WITH ANY ACTIONS
>


Don't forget, you're talking about 'God's Chosen ones.'
They can do what they want and if you question them you're
just 'anti-Semitic'



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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>Once upon a time, there was a so-called human being named Tom Metzger.
>He sent a follower of his group, White Aryan Resistance, to Portland,
>Oregon, to meet with skinheads in that city.  The follower, heretofore
>known as David M., incited these skinheads to a racial frenzy that
>ended in the murder of an Ethopian student.
>
>Suddenly, before he knew it, Tom was besieged with a lawsuit headed up
>a kindly man named Morris Dees. 

Morris Dees eh??



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You are correct. Dees has not only sucked cock, but he also molested
his stepdaughter with a vibrator, and fucked a huge number of women in
complete disregard for his wife's feelings as part of the evil,
Fedstapo, megalomaniac,control freak power trip which he is obviously
still on! What follows is from his divorce papers which are public
domain @ History & Archives, Washington St., Montgomery, Alabama: 

F. Charlie Springman: On August 11, 1978, Maureene and Morris' tenth
anniversary, they were having dinner at the Watergate Hotel in
Washington, D.C., and afterward had drinks in the bar (R. 333, et.
seq). In the bar they saw Charlie Springman, who Maureene knew as a
Regional Coordinator for the National Endowment of the Arts (R. 335).
She had told Morris that Springman was gay, but Morris never met him.
When they saw him at the bar, Morris suggested inviting him over for a
drink (R. 335). After a while, to Maureene's surprise, Morris suggested
that Charlie come up to the room with them (R.336). In the room they
drank wine and talked, Morris unbuttoned his shirt to the waist
(R.336). Charlie tried to leave several times, but Morris wouldn't let
him go. (R. 337) Finally Morris proposed that Charlie spend the night
with them (R. 337). Mrs. Dees protested, and put on her robe and
nightgown to go to bed (R.337-338). Soon Charlie and Morris were in the
bed naked, with Maureene in the middle with her gown on (R. 338-339).
Springman and Morris hugged and kissed, and Morris tried to get
Springman to have relations with Maureene, but Springman was physically
unable to because he was not intersted (R.340). In fact, no one made
any effort to have sex with Mrs. Dees during this incident (R.341).
Springman kissed Morris' penis, and in fact, Morris complained that he
bit him and that it hurt (R.340)Morris kissed Springman on his penis
(R.341). After about 30 minutes they all went to sleep (R.342). When
Maureene woke up the next morning, Morris was gone (R. 342), but
Springman was still asleep in the bed. After five or ten minutes Morris
returned and found Maureene crying. He apologized for the incident and
said that he would not let anything like that happen again (R. 343).
Morris denies parts of this episode, he admits its essential features:

Morris admits that he invited Springman to the room (R.1571); that
Maureene put on a nightgown and robe and got into bed (R.1537); and
that Springman got in the bed naked (R.1590)

G. Morris Step Daughter. Holly Buck, Maureene's daughter by a previous
marriage, is eighteen years old (R.728). She was seven years old when
her mother and Morris married, and she has lived with them in the house
at Mathews from then until the separation (R.728). Holly testified
that, in the summer of 1977, Morris attempted to molest her in the
following incident (R.729): One night Maureene and Morris were sitting

drinking wine and discussing a case Morris was trying. She was with
them. Around eleven or twelve o'clock Maureene went to bed and Holly
stayed up with Morris discussing the case. Morris kept offering Holly
wine, some of which she accepted. At Morris suggestion, they went
outside to the pool, and he suggested that they go for a swim, but
Holly was tired and declined (R.731). She went to her room and then
went into the bathroom. Looking out the window, she saw Morris in the
bushes beside the bathroom window looking in (R.732). Two months later,
she was asleep one night and Morris entered her room from Ellie's room,
through the bathroom. He was in his underwear and he sat on the bed
where Holly was laying on her stomach facing away from the door. He
touched her on the back and woke her up. He told her that he had
brought her a present and he presented her with a vibrator. He plugged
it in for her and said he had brought it to her. He proceeded to rub it
on her back and said, "Let me show you how to use it" (R.733). She said
thats not necessary, but he started to place it between her legs when
she raised her voice and said no loudly. He then took the vibrator and
left (R.635). She did not tell her mother about this incident until the
separation when they moved out of the Mathews house in the spring of
1979 (R.736
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In article <1996Apr23.162812.8400@wpg.ramp.net>, 
Joe "I wuz Klan, but never inhaled" Lockhart  wrote:

This is a lie McVay, I was never in the Klan.
You are then a liar, just like Warren Kinsella. 

>>Don't forget, you're talking about 'God's Chosen ones.'
>>They can do what they want and if you question them you're
>>just 'anti-Semitic'

>Strange, Mr. Lockhart... I often question Jewish folks about
>myriad matters, and never seem to end up being branded an
>antisemite. You don't suppose they call _you_ an antisemite
>because you _are_ an antisemite, do you?

>...or simply because you are a liar? Could that be it, Mr.
>Lockhart?

Liar: n. a person who tells lies; a person who says what is 
not true.

Where did I lie? I did not say the JDL hit Christie!
The fact is that the JDL thugs were arrested, where is my 
so-called lie?
You're just pissed because I beat you at your own game. 

>For instance, let us examine your recent (March 6, 1996)
>assertion that "...Christie waded into a group of Jewish Defence 
>League members.  One JDL member took a swing at the lawyer... Christie 
>complained about the incident to County Court Judge Hugh Locke, stating,
>'I've never seen people beaten on the steps of a courthouse like
>that with absolute impunity before.' Later, police arrested four
>JDL members; the presiding judge also issued a restraining
>order against further JDL demonstrations."

>You then offered your source as "Page 79-80 From 'Web of lies.. 
>oops Hate'"  and offered me the following gratuitous advice:

>"Stick that up your archives McGoyVay.."

>Which, of course, I did, along with the following information,
>provided by Ms. Ostrov:

> "Actually, Mr. Lockhart, the quote from Kinsella's 'Web of Hate' 
> reads as follows:

>      "Christie waded into a group of Jewish Defence League Members.  
>      One JDL member took a swing at the lawyer, narrowly missing 
>      his impressive jawline. Shaken, Christie complained ...." 
>      (1st HarperPerennial ed.  p.92)

>   While acts of violence are not to be condoned, I am sure that 
>   reasonable readers of this newsgroup will conclude that there is 
>   quite a difference between 'taking a swing and narrowly missing' 
>   and 'kicking ... in the face with a steel-toed boot.'

>   But then you knew that, didn't you, Mr. Lockhart?

Still I see no lie!!

>For the full exchange, see URL
>http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/l/lockhart.joe/lockhart-the-liar

>As you can see, Mr. Lockhart, we have firmly established, as
>undeniable fact, that you are a liar. Having established that,
>we can then move to the central question:

Where is the lie McGoyVay?????
I did not make anything up, I did not add to the story, so how am I liar?
I did not imply that the JDL hit Christie, so, where is the lie!!

>Are you also a Jew-hating bigot? For, of course, if you are,
>then someone's calling you a Jew-hating bigot hardly
>constitutes libelous behavior. Let's examine your comments
>about Jews, and let the readers decide, shall we, Mr.
>Lockhart?

I hate people who hate Christ, This includes some Jews, some
so-called Christians, anyone who blasphemes His name.

Here are the words of Jesus Christ.:
"He that is not with me is against me;..." Matthew 12:30

 I also hate Proselytes McOyVay, so what
does that make me? A Proselyte-hating bigot???

>You have called the Jews "Children of Hell;"

Gee Ken, you should dust off your Bible. It was Jesus that called
Jews the Children of the devil not me:

"Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh
of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.    John 8:44

>You have alleged that the Jews "hold the whole world ransom"
>with the "so-called 6 million"; 

How many BILLIONS of dollars have the Jews received in
reparations for the so-called holocaust (tm)??

>You refer to the Jews as "cowards";

The one time I referred to Jews as cowards was when I was
being attacked when Bernie Furball was hiding behind an
acronym. 

If a person uses intimidation to stifle open debate, if a person hides behind
subterfuge to covertly change a country from a Christian one, to one of 
Secular Humanism,  If a person promotes homosexuality against the
will of the majority in Canada. that person is a coward, Jewish, or
otherwise.  

>You have refered to a Jew as "the antichrist";

Again Ken, you should read the Bible.

1 John 2:22
"Who is a liar (see John 8:44)  but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is
not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it
should come; and even now already is it in the world."

2 John 1:7
"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that
Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

Jews deny Jesus was the Christ. Therefore they are what the Bible
calls anit-Christ. Remember if you don't like the Bible, have it banned
(or is that another Nizkor project?)

>You refer to the ADL as the "anti-defecation league";

And your point is????The ADL is an unregistered 
spy agency for Israel. A spy agency that you're a prostitute for.

>You refer to the Old Testament as the "so-called" book of the
>Jews;

In their own words:

Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the
words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."
 
Jews claim the Old Testament is their book. It is not. Nor is
Judaism the religion of ancient Israel.

"Judaism:, the religious system, doctrines, and rites of the Jews.
Judaism is, specifically, the religion of a Jewish community
living among Gentile peoples and is to be distinguished from the religion
of ancient Israel."

"Jews: although, in modern usage, the terms Hebrew, Israelite, and Jew
are employed synonymously, both historically and ethnically the words
have different meanings."

Source: Funk & Wagnalls Standard Reference Encyclopedia 1959/1960
(just another anti-Semitic book right Ken?)
NOTE: This is a full 15 years after the so-called holocaust (tm)
NOT ONE WORD ABOUT 'DEATH CAMPS' GAS CHAMBERS etc...

>You spout "Identity" dogma, dogma antisemitic to its very
>core;

Now I realize that thank's to Jews, freedom of religion in Canada
is dead. Just like freedom of religion died many years ago.

BTW Ken,  Judaism is anti-Christian to its very core
why have you never condemned it?
You should put in your archives some of the verses from the 
Talmud, let's see who the real 'haters' are.

What do Jews think of non-Jews?

"Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human (>Only ye are designated men<). Also
see Kerithoth 6b  under the sub-head, >Oil of Anointing< and Berakoth 58a  in
which Gentile women are designated animals (>she-asses<)."
 
Sanhedrin 57a . "A Jew need not pay a Gentile (>Cuthean<) the wages owed him for
work."

Yebamoth 98a."All Gentile children are animals."
Abodah Zarah 36b . "Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth."
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b ." Gentiles prefer sex with cows."
 
Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament books
in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980  (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion,
p. 21).
 
Gee, if I was a teacher you could get me fired!!!
Have a homo or a pedophile for a teacher, but not a Christian!!!

>You imply that the Jews control most of the Western World;

It is irrefutable if you control a nations money, you control that
nation. Do the Jews control the money you ask??

"The first people to practise the profession of money-lending
in England regularly were the Jews, and the business has
remained largely in their hands, though they are in the habit
of trading under assumed names."

Oh and what anti-Semitic book did I get that out of you ask???

Encyclopedia Britannica Eleventh edition 1910-1911
Page 708

Not your typical right-wing book.

Do the Jews control Hollywood?

 "It might be thought that the involvement of the Jews in the theatre        
 naturally brought them into the cinema, but few of the Jews who came
to dominate Hollywood in what has been called its golden age, which is
to say from the late 'twenties into the early 'forties, began life in
show- business. Samuel Goldwyn, of Metro Goldwyn Mayer, was a
glove salesman. Carl Laemmle, of Universal, was a clothes salesman.
William Fox, of Twentieth Century Fox, was in dry-cleaning. Harry Cohn,
of  Columbia, was a bus-conductor. The Warner Brothers owned a
bicycle shop. Marcus Loew, another of the founding fathers of MGM, was
a  furrier. Adolph Zukor, of Paramount, was likewise a furrier. Nearly
all  were immigrants, yet between them they possibly did more to
determine American attitudes and tastes than the churches or even the schools. "
 
 The Jews - 
 Chaim Bermant
 
Let's recap: Jews are money-lenders, Jews control Hollywood.
(and Jews have major influence in politics, another irrefutable fact.)
But to insinuate that 2% of the population is in control,
of the sheep is an absurd 'assertion' right?

>Gee, Mr. Lockhart, I can't imagine why folks would consider
>you an antisemite.

Call me all the names you want McOyVay, It won't change a thing.
You're just pissed because I beat you at your own game.

In your own words McVay: "I think we're losing because of some
simple mathematics." Jewish Post & News April 3, 1996 P1

I will agree that you're loosing, It's not because of math its because people
are now for the first time getting both sides of the story  not just the
media 'approved' story.

In the end we all shall stand in front of our maker. I will answer to mine,
and you to yours. He will ask me what did I do for my people, I shall'
then humble reply that I would, "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a
trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob
their sins." : Isaiah 58:1

You McVay... can explain how you sold your soul to the devil.

Think about it..

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In article <1996Apr25.043740.20874@wpg.ramp.net>, 
Joe Lockhart  wrote:

>I hate people who hate Christ, This includes some Jews, some
>so-called Christians, anyone who blasphemes His name.

A Christian who hates. What a novel oxymoron.

>>You have alleged that the Jews "hold the whole world ransom"
>>with the "so-called 6 million"; 

>How many BILLIONS of dollars have the Jews received in
>reparations for the so-called holocaust (tm)??

Tell us, Mr. Lockhart, what is the answer? Be specific,
please.

>>You refer to the Jews as "cowards";

>The one time I referred to Jews as cowards was when I was
>being attacked when Bernie Furball was hiding behind an
>acronym. 

I see. One person, this Bernie, "attacked" you, so you called
all Jews cowards. (You wonder why you are called an
antisemite. Interesting.)

>If a person uses intimidation to stifle open debate, if a person hides behind
>subterfuge to covertly change a country from a Christian one, to one of 
>Secular Humanism,  If a person promotes homosexuality against the
>will of the majority in Canada. that person is a coward, Jewish, or
>otherwise.  

Canada a Christian nation? What an interesting thought... try
explaining it to the Lubicon.

[snip]

>>You refer to the ADL as the "anti-defecation league";

>And your point is????The ADL is an unregistered 
>spy agency for Israel. A spy agency that you're a prostitute for.

Is it now? What proof do you have for this allegation - either
of them, for that matter? Since you claim I am a "prostitute"
for the ADL, perhaps you will tell me how much they pay me,
and prove it, or simply admit that you have no such proof, and
are simply blowing hot air again.

(You wonder why I call you a liar. Interesting.)

[antisemitic claptrap snipped]

>Source: Funk & Wagnalls Standard Reference Encyclopedia 1959/1960
>(just another anti-Semitic book right Ken?)

No, just another antisemitic interpretation, Mr. Lockhart.

>NOTE: This is a full 15 years after the so-called holocaust (tm)
>NOT ONE WORD ABOUT 'DEATH CAMPS' GAS CHAMBERS etc...

Gee, not one word about you, either, Mr. Lockhard. Does that
mean you don't exist?

>>You spout "Identity" dogma, dogma antisemitic to its very
>>core;

>Now I realize that thank's to Jews, freedom of religion in Canada
>is dead. Just like freedom of religion died many years ago.

"Freedom of religion in Canada is dead." And yet here you are, 
spouting your "religion" far and wide, quoting from your bible
hither and yon. You really are full of crap, aren't you, Mr.
Lockhart. Do you really believe this nonsense, or are you a
professional liar like Mr. Zundel?

One is reminded of Dan Gannon's use of the internet to
complain about being denied access to the internet.

>BTW Ken,  Judaism is anti-Christian to its very core
>why have you never condemned it?

I am areligious, Mr. Lockhart, but if I were going to condemn
a religion, I'd have to begin with "Christianity," primarily
for the tens of millions dead in its name. 

I find it strange that you say this, when Jesus was clearly
Jewish. What others turned him into is of no interest to me,
Mr. Lockhart.

>You should put in your archives some of the verses from the 
>Talmud, let's see who the real 'haters' are.

There are bits and pieces of the Talmud all over the archives
here, Mr. Lockhart... most posted by antisemitic hatemongers.
Out of context, misrepresented, antisemitic nonsense.

[snip]

>Gee, if I was a teacher you could get me fired!!!
>Have a homo or a pedophile for a teacher, but not a Christian!!!

I don't think you would recognize a Christian if he bit you on
the rear, Mr. Lockhart. Everything you say denies your
Christianity more eloquently than anyone else possibly could.

>>You imply that the Jews control most of the Western World;

>It is irrefutable if you control a nations money, you control that
>nation. Do the Jews control the money you ask??

>"The first people to practise the profession of money-lending
>in England regularly were the Jews, and the business has
>remained largely in their hands, though they are in the habit
>of trading under assumed names."

Let me see if I can follow this, er, logic, Mr. Lockhart. You
say that Jews lend money. From that, you leap to "the Jews
control a nation's money." It is the leap that interests me,
Mr. Lockhart.... (You find it curious that folks call you an
antisemite. Interesting.)

[snip]

>Let's recap: Jews are money-lenders, Jews control Hollywood.

Still unable to support your allegation that Jews contol the
nation's money, eh?

>(and Jews have major influence in politics, another irrefutable fact.)

Influence? Ooh, how disgusting! Let's see if I understand this
correctly, Mr. Lockhart.

Our system permits folks - even you, Mr. Lockhart - to
participate in the political system. Some folks do this
efficiently, while others - you, for instance, Mr. Lockhart -
do not. You find something wrong with this process.

Is that about it, Mr. Lockhart?

>But to insinuate that 2% of the population is in control,
>of the sheep is an absurd 'assertion' right?

Yes, as a matter of record, it is.

>>Gee, Mr. Lockhart, I can't imagine why folks would consider
>>you an antisemite.

>Call me all the names you want McOyVay, It won't change a thing.
>You're just pissed because I beat you at your own game.

I don't have to call you names, Mr. Lockhart - what you are is
crystal clear from every word you utter, and I think folks can
figure that out all by themselves.

>In your own words McVay: "I think we're losing because of some
>simple mathematics." Jewish Post & News April 3, 1996 P1

Haven't seen it yet, so won't comment.

>I will agree that you're loosing, It's not because of math its because people
>are now for the first time getting both sides of the story  not just the
>media 'approved' story.

Ask the folks here, Mr. Lockhart, what they think of "your
side of the story."

[snip]

>You McVay... can explain how you sold your soul to the devil.

The devil, Mr. Lockhart, is far too busy counting supremacist
hypocrites to bother with the likes of me. With folks like you
and Harcus around, he doesn't have the time.

>Think about it..

I do, often. I am not remotely surprised to hear that folks
consider you a liar and an antisemite. You are a hypocrite of
the first order.

>The European Christian Defence League

Horsepucky, Mr. Lockhart, horsepucky.

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ncrccjc@ibm.net (ncrccjc) wrote:
>Joe Lockhart  wrote:
>
>
>>In the end we all shall stand in front of our maker. I will answer to mine,
>>and you to yours. He will ask me what did I do for my people, I shall'
>>then humble reply that I would, "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a
>>trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob
>>their sins." : Isaiah 58:1
>>
>
>>Think about it..
>>
>>The European Christian Defence League
>
>ncrccjc responds:
>
>There you have it my friends, bigotry wearing religion's disguise.
>
>Lockhart and Christianity is the ultimate oxymoron.
>

You have friends??? When did that happen???

BTW thanks to the CJC and BB, unless you're a kosher-Christian
with state approved dogma, kiss your job good-by.

Freedom of religion died in Canada on April 3,1996

Q) What is the worst oxymoron in the World?

A) Judaeo-Christian





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Joe Lockhart (ecdl@wpg.ramp.net) wrote:

: FYI.. there is a MacDonald's in Israel, and they have
: Kosher burgers and DO NOT HAVE CHEESEBURGERS!! or Milk Shakes.
: But that's OK in the 'Jewish' state of Israel. What every happened
: to separation of church and state that we hear American Jews cry about
: all the time??????


>It doesn't exist in Israel -- nor does the 2d Amendment, or the Fredom of 
>the Press, because, by golly, Israel is not the United States!!!! (gasp!)
>You really need to get a life, you realize.  Anyone who sees sinister 
>import in the fact that the Jerusalem McDonald's doesn't have 
>cheeseburgrs really needs to get out more.

>And FYI -- lots of places in Israel DO have cheeseburgers.  On the other 
>hand, I know liquor stores in America that are closd on CHristmas!!!!!!!  
>What ever happened to that separation of church and state American 
>Christians created?
>
>What a maroon.

You missed the point. (how typical)

It is irrefutable that Jews are at the helm when it come to gutting
America and Canada of its Christian attributes. Whether it's a removing
Jesus from City property, or ending school prayer, Jews are crying
"separation of church and state." As long as it doesn't affect them.

Funny how the same people who claim to be 'human rights' experts,
don't practice what they preach.
Israel is a 'Jewish state.' To change that is against the law.
What would happen if Canada and America called themselves 'Christian
nations?' 
Why is it Jews are at the forefront of fighting so-called racism, yet in 
Israel they won't accept blood from black-Jews? This is racist and has
caused riots in Israel.
You are right Israel is not U.S., Israel has "policies that are as racist,
as totalitarian and as xenophobic, as the worst excesses of anti-Semitism."
(Israel Shahak - Jewish History - Jewish Religion.)

That was my point..

The European Christian Defence League
P.O. Box 345 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
R3C 2H6 (204) 775-0878 Fax (204) 786-3064

Freedom of religion died in Canada on April 3, 1996
Now you better have kosher-Christian beliefs or you
can be fired from your job. 

"Let Malcolm Ross and his ilk take notice."- Hal Joffe
The Canadian Jewish Congress - (Jewish Post & News April 17,1996) 

For complete details on the death of freedom of religion
send $5.00 U.S./CDN to the above address.


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evil Beavis  wrote:
>Is this the goal of Zionist Israel??! Lately, the late Mr. Rabin has been compared to 
>President Mandela and M.L. King, maybe a better comparison is with him and Hendrik 
>Verwoerd and P.W Botha - ruthless racist conspirators.... Zionism is just another word 
>for Apartheid?
>
>eB

OH MY GOD!!!!! My heart stopped!!!!

You had better STOP MAKING anti-Semetic statments there eB!!!

Ken Mc OyVay will save a space in his archives for your
anti-God's-chosen-ones - statments!!!

You bigot, racist,intolerant, bla,bla,bla,bla,bla,

You get the point!!



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1) "Mentally the Negro is inferior to the white..."

2) "...While with the White the volume of the brain grows with the
expansion of the brainpan, in the Negro the growth of the
brain is on the contrary arrested by the premature closing
of the cranial sutures...."

3) "Cannibalism is found in its simplest form in Africa.
In that continent the majority of cannibal tribes eat
human flesh because they like it, and not from any
magical motive or from lack of other animal food.
In fact it is noticeable that the tribes most addicted to
this practice inhabit just those districts where game
is most plentiful."

4) "The recognized leaders of the race are almost
invariably persons of mixed blood, and the qualities
which have made them leaders are derived certainly
in part and perhaps mainly from their white ancestry."


1) The Encyclopedia Britannica
Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
Page 344

2) The Encyclopedia Britannica
Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
Page 344

3) The Encyclopedia Britannica
Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
Page 345

4) The Encyclopedia Britannica
Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
Page 346

The European Christian Defence League
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"Mark A. Rosen"  wrote:
>Where can I find a copy of the "Turner Diaries" ?
>Is it posted on the web ?
>Is it available in any bookstore ?

Mr.'Rosen' Go to your local ADL.
I'm sure they have a copy they will lend to you.



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kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
>From the "Your Comment" section of the Winnipeg Sun, April 1,
>1996:
>
>"I must admit I was most fascinated by Joe Lockhart's rather
>extreme letter where he criticizes a Sun columnist's position
>that Ernst Zundel deserves to be deported from Canada. I agree
>with the Sun writer myself, but I have a few questions for
>Lockhart:
>
>1) A friend of mine is sort of an amateur Second World War
>historian, and he's missing a few details about what really
>happened in that German bunker in Berlin, 1945, when the
>Russian Army was attacking. Who committed suicide first, you
>or Eva Braun?
>
>2) When you were a youngster, didn't your mother ever tell
>you: a) It's not nice (and not true) to infer that the
>Holocaust didn't occur; b) It's not nice to write letters to
>respectable newspapers when you haven't taken your medication?
>
>3) What's with your organization's name, 'The European
>Christian Defense League?' Since you're rather obviously some
>type of white supremacist, why not just drop the Christian
>pretense and call your group 'The White Supremacist League?'
>Or better yet, how about 'A Big Bunch of Ignorant Nazis!' It's
>much easier for everyone to remember, and probably a lot
>easier for you guys to spell."
>
>Rich Lonstrup
>Brandon, Man.
>
>=30=

Mc OyVay, why don't you print my original letter
to the Winnipeg, Sun. I assume local Proselyte of the Year
Helmut-Harry Loewen supplied you will a 'file' on my
letters to the editor. But being as inepted as he is
perhaps I will send them to you if you like.

Don't be so typical Mc Vay and only give half the story.

ECDL.



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t08o@unb.ca (MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY) wrote:
>In article <1996Apr28.065125.7524@wpg.ramp.net> Joe Lockhart  writes:
>
>>1) "Mentally the Negro is inferior to the white..."
>
>>2) "...While with the White the volume of the brain grows with the
>>expansion of the brainpan, in the Negro the growth of the
>>brain is on the contrary arrested by the premature closing
>>of the cranial sutures...."
>
>>3) "Cannibalism is found in its simplest form in Africa.
>>In that continent the majority of cannibal tribes eat
>>human flesh because they like it, and not from any
>>magical motive or from lack of other animal food.
>>In fact it is noticeable that the tribes most addicted to
>>this practice inhabit just those districts where game
>>is most plentiful."
>
>>4) "The recognized leaders of the race are almost
>>invariably persons of mixed blood, and the qualities
>>which have made them leaders are derived certainly
>>in part and perhaps mainly from their white ancestry."
>
>
>>1) The Encyclopedia Britannica
>>Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
>>Page 344
>
>>2) The Encyclopedia Britannica
>>Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
>>Page 344
>
>>3) The Encyclopedia Britannica
>>Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
>>Page 345
>
>>4) The Encyclopedia Britannica
>>Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
>>Page 346
>
>
>Also from the _Britannica_ of that period is a wonderful description of an 
>island in the Caribbean that is surrounded by shear cliffs.  The inhabitants 
>launch and recover their boats by building them on the island and then 
>lowering them by rope to the ocean several hundred feet below.
>
>Of course, there is no such island.  You will not find mention of it in 
>recent editions of Britannica.
>
>Now that we are on that topic, howzabout we look at some other popular 
>beliefs from that time and compare them to the present day, hmm?
>
>My grandmother has a complete set on encyclopedias from the 1920s called, I 
>believe, something like The Encyclopedia of Science and Technology or 
>somesuch.  In a section covering astronomy they show some telescope photos 
>and what they describe as nebulae that may someday collapse and form a star 
>like the sun is believed to have done.  Beautiful pictures, in fact.  And 
>very wrong because, you see, what they show are not nebula at all but other 
>galaxies.  The science has advanced since then.
>
>Now what other scientific facts from the early part of this century have 
>since been proven wrong?  Well, I could start with the calculation that a 
>lunar rocket is impossible because it would *have* to weigh a million tons.  
>And trains couldn't travel faster than, oh, 60 MPH because people would not 
>be able to breathe going that fast.
>
>Why don't you look up something a little more recent?
>
>--
>Keith Morrison
>t08o@unb.ca

The point is the 1911 edition is long before Political Correctness.
As far as somthing recent. How about the Bell Curve.
Or how about some of Prof. Rushton's books?





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In our last few exchanges, you have made statements
that need addressing.

In article <1996Apr23.162812.8400@wpg.ramp.net>, 
Joe "I wuz Klan, but never inhaled" Lockhart  wrote:

I asked you to provide evidence that I was a member
of any Klan. You refused. Who is the liar McVay? 

McVay in an attempted to question my credibility
called me a liar.

>...or simply because you are a liar? Could that be it, Mr.
>Lockhart?

I asked you THREE times to show me the so-called lie.
You have refused. Why?

You listed the following URL

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/l/lockhart.joe/lockhart-the-liar

I see no lie.

Liar: n. a person who tells lies; a person who says what is 
not true.

What have I said that is not true?

Now, I realize you have a habit of stretching the truth.
Here is an example of how Ken Mc OyVay the Nizkor
NetZee fighter stretches the truth:

 Nizkor FTP file: people/l/lockhart.joe/lockhart-threat

In an article :
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After giving you some good Bible advice, I offered you this advice:

"You had better repent McVay while you still have time."

As you know, both you and I will one day meet our maker.
This is not a 'threat' as you deemed it. To even call it a threat is so weak, so
feeble even for you, this is a good example of how the likes of
Ken Mc OyVay stretches the truth.

Can you please explain where the threat is? Not to mention I live 2,000 +
miles away from you, perhaps now I'm a threat to National security too??

McVay then asked:

>Are you also a Jew-hating bigot? For, of course, if you are,
>then someone's calling you a Jew-hating bigot hardly
>constitutes libelous behavior. Let's examine your comments
>about Jews, and let the readers decide, shall we, Mr.
>Lockhart?

I replied:
"I hate people who hate Christ, This includes some Jews, some
so-called Christians, anyone who blasphemes His name."

Here are the words of Jesus Christ.:
"He that is not with me is against me;..." Matthew 12:30

" I also hate Proselytes McOyVay, so what
does that make me? A Proselyte-hating bigot???"

McVay's reply:

"A Christian who hates. What a novel oxymoron."

So, A Black man can hate a White person for 'oppression.'
A Jew can 'hate' people they deem anti-Semitic.
But a Christian cannot 'hate,' again McVay
I suggest you dust-off your Bible, you know the book
you use to level off the couch, and read the following:

"Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in
the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious
unto the remnant of Joseph."  Amos 5:15

"A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."
Ecclesiastes 3:8

Here is God speaking:  (God in the OT is Jesus in the NT)
" I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Psalms 139:22

And even in the New Testament we read:

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13
" Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God,
[even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
Hebrews 1:9

BTW  McVay, 
Here is a good Bible verse for you:
"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair,
it is a shame unto him? 1 Corinthians 11:14

McVay cut out this part: I wonder why?????

>You have called the Jews "Children of Hell;"

Gee Ken, you should dust off your Bible. It was Jesus that called
Jews the Children of the devil not me:

"Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh
of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.    John 8:44

Then he asked:

>You have alleged that the Jews "hold the whole world ransom"
>with the "so-called 6 million"; 

I replied:
How many BILLIONS of dollars have the Jews received in
reparations for the so-called holocaust (tm)??

>Tell us, Mr. Lockhart, what is the answer? Be specific,
>please.

I have no Idea, you should know, you're the lackey for the jews, Mc Vay
you should know. Don't you have a Jerry Lewis counter on your
Nizkor sight??

>You refer to the Jews as "cowards";

I stated:
The one time I referred to Jews as cowards was when I was
being attacked when Bernie Furball was hiding behind an
acronym. 

You said:

"I see. One person, this Bernie, "attacked" you, so you called
all Jews cowards. (You wonder why you are called an
antisemite. Interesting.)"

This is another example of how McVay likes to stretches the truth
I have NEVER said "ALL" Jews are cowards. That would be a ridiculous statement.
This is another example of how you stretches the truth.
I defy you to show where I called 'ALL' Jews cowards.

Do I have harsh word for some Jews, sure I do, I have never condemned the
whole community, and I defy you to prove otherwise!!
To say 'all' Jews are bad is as ridiculous as saying 'all' Christians are good.
Don't forget Mc Vay, I question you all the time, does that mean I spew 
anti-Goyism??

You then did another 
Funny how when you cannot call me a liar or anti-Semitic, you just
snip away.
 
>You refer to the ADL as the "anti-defecation league";

And your point is????The ADL is an unregistered 
spy agency for Israel. A spy agency that you're a prostitute for.

You stated:

"Is it now? What proof do you have for this allegation - either
of them, for that matter? Since you claim I am a "prostitute"
for the ADL, perhaps you will tell me how much they pay me,
and prove it, or simply admit that you have no such proof, and
are simply blowing hot air again."

1) National Alliance has a great tract on the ADL and their spying
on Americans. They were caught with police files they were should not
have had. Yes in the end they walk away from all of the charges, this
again only proves to the people how much power they have.

2) The definition of 'prostitute' I'm referring to is this: 3. " a person
who gives up himself or his talents to an unworthy cause." Source.
Gage Canadian Dictionary 1979 page 903

Are you telling us McVay that the information you collect doesn't get
sent some way to the ADL? Come on McVay, I'm not a fool, they need all the
help they can get for their 'fact finding' sheets. I have never stated you're paid by the
ADL, again McVay stretching the truth. Give it a rest...

While we are on the topic of 'paid' can you tell us for the record who contribute
to your 1,500 bucks a month trust fund? Please list all sources.

I have also in the past asked you question that you refuse to answer.

I ask you to tell me (and the world) why Ernst Zundel is a 'threat' to
Canadian security. You have refused.

You have stated in the past the Jim Keegstra was not fired for his beliefs, but that
he was fired for teaching them in class.
Well McVay, what do you have to say now for freedoms in Canada when Malcolm
Ross was clearly fired from his teaching job because of his beliefs? 

Awaiting your reply...


The European Christian Defence League
P.O. Box 345 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
R3C 2H6 (204) 775-0878 Fax (204) 786-3064





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In our last few exchanges, you have made statements
that need addressing.

In article <1996Apr23.162812.8400@wpg.ramp.net>, 
Joe "I wuz Klan, but never inhaled" Lockhart  wrote:

I asked you to provide evidence that I was a member
of any Klan. You refused. Who is the liar McVay? 

McVay in an attempted to question my credibility
called me a liar.

>...or simply because you are a liar? Could that be it, Mr.
>Lockhart?

I asked you THREE times to show me the so-called lie.
You have refused. Why?

You listed the following URL

http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/l/lockhart.joe/lockhart-the-liar

I see no lie.

Liar: n. a person who tells lies; a person who says what is 
not true.

What have I said that is not true?

Now, I realize you have a habit of stretching the truth.
Here is an example of how Ken Mc OyVay the Nizkor
NetZee fighter stretches the truth:

 Nizkor FTP file: people/l/lockhart.joe/lockhart-threat

In an article :
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
From: Joe Lockhart 
Subject: Ken McVay - the Internet Proselyte (2nd try)
Message-ID: <1995Nov23.072800.22432@wpg.ramp.net>



After giving you some good Bible advice, I offered you this advice:

"You had better repent McVay while you still have time."

As you know, both you and I will one day meet our maker.
This is not a 'threat' as you deemed it. To even call it a threat is so weak, so
feeble even for you, this is a good example of how the likes of
Ken Mc OyVay stretches the truth.

Can you please explain where the threat is? Not to mention I live 2,000 +
miles away from you, perhaps now I'm a threat to National security too??

McVay then asked:

>Are you also a Jew-hating bigot? For, of course, if you are,
>then someone's calling you a Jew-hating bigot hardly
>constitutes libelous behavior. Let's examine your comments
>about Jews, and let the readers decide, shall we, Mr.
>Lockhart?

I replied:
"I hate people who hate Christ, This includes some Jews, some
so-called Christians, anyone who blasphemes His name."

Here are the words of Jesus Christ.:
"He that is not with me is against me;..." Matthew 12:30

" I also hate Proselytes McOyVay, so what
does that make me? A Proselyte-hating bigot???"

McVay's reply:

"A Christian who hates. What a novel oxymoron."

So, A Black man can hate a White person for 'oppression.'
A Jew can 'hate' people they deem anti-Semitic.
But a Christian cannot 'hate,' again McVay
I suggest you dust-off your Bible, you know the book
you use to level off the couch, and read the following:

"Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in
the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious
unto the remnant of Joseph."  Amos 5:15

"A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."
Ecclesiastes 3:8

Here is God speaking:  (God in the OT is Jesus in the NT)
" I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Psalms 139:22

And even in the New Testament we read:

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13
" Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God,
[even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
Hebrews 1:9

BTW  McVay, 
Here is a good Bible verse for you:
"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair,
it is a shame unto him? 1 Corinthians 11:14

McVay cut out this part: I wonder why?????

>You have called the Jews "Children of Hell;"

Gee Ken, you should dust off your Bible. It was Jesus that called
Jews the Children of the devil not me:

"Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth,
because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh
of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.    John 8:44

Then he asked:

>You have alleged that the Jews "hold the whole world ransom"
>with the "so-called 6 million"; 

I replied:
How many BILLIONS of dollars have the Jews received in
reparations for the so-called holocaust (tm)??

>Tell us, Mr. Lockhart, what is the answer? Be specific,
>please.

I have no Idea, you should know, you're the lackey for the jews, Mc Vay
you should know. Don't you have a Jerry Lewis counter on your
Nizkor sight??

>You refer to the Jews as "cowards";

I stated:
The one time I referred to Jews as cowards was when I was
being attacked when Bernie Furball was hiding behind an
acronym. 

You said:

"I see. One person, this Bernie, "attacked" you, so you called
all Jews cowards. (You wonder why you are called an
antisemite. Interesting.)"

This is another example of how McVay likes to stretches the truth
I have NEVER said "ALL" Jews are cowards. That would be a ridiculous statement.
This is another example of how you stretches the truth.
I defy you to show where I called 'ALL' Jews cowards.

Do I have harsh word for some Jews, sure I do, I have never condemned the
whole community, and I defy you to prove otherwise!!
To say 'all' Jews are bad is as ridiculous as saying 'all' Christians are good.
Don't forget Mc Vay, I question you all the time, does that mean I spew 
anti-Goyism??

You then did another 
Funny how when you cannot call me a liar or anti-Semitic, you just
snip away.
 
>You refer to the ADL as the "anti-defecation league";

And your point is????The ADL is an unregistered 
spy agency for Israel. A spy agency that you're a prostitute for.

You stated:

"Is it now? What proof do you have for this allegation - either
of them, for that matter? Since you claim I am a "prostitute"
for the ADL, perhaps you will tell me how much they pay me,
and prove it, or simply admit that you have no such proof, and
are simply blowing hot air again."

1) National Alliance has a great tract on the ADL and their spying
on Americans. They were caught with police files they were should not
have had. Yes in the end they walk away from all of the charges, this
again only proves to the people how much power they have.

2) The definition of 'prostitute' I'm referring to is this: 3. " a person
who gives up himself or his talents to an unworthy cause." Source.
Gage Canadian Dictionary 1979 page 903

Are you telling us McVay that the information you collect doesn't get
sent some way to the ADL? Come on McVay, I'm not a fool, they need all the
help they can get for their 'fact finding' sheets. I have never stated you're paid by the
ADL, again McVay stretching the truth. Give it a rest...

While we are on the topic of 'paid' can you tell us for the record who contribute
to your 1,500 bucks a month trust fund? Please list all sources.

I have also in the past asked you question that you refuse to answer.

I ask you to tell me (and the world) why Ernst Zundel is a 'threat' to
Canadian security. You have refused.

You have stated in the past the Jim Keegstra was not fired for his beliefs, but that
he was fired for teaching them in class.
Well McVay, what do you have to say now for freedoms in Canada when Malcolm
Ross was clearly fired from his teaching job because of his beliefs? 

Awaiting your reply...


The European Christian Defence League
P.O. Box 345 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
R3C 2H6 (204) 775-0878 Fax (204) 786-3064





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evil Beavis  wrote:
>Joe Lockhart wrote:
>> 
>> evil Beavis  wrote:
>> >Is this the goal of Zionist Israel??! Lately, the late Mr. Rabin has been compared to
>> >President Mandela and M.L. King, maybe a better comparison is with him and Hendrik
>> >Verwoerd and P.W Botha - ruthless racist conspirators.... Zionism is just another word
>> >for Apartheid?
>> >
>> >eB
>> 
>> OH MY GOD!!!!! My heart stopped!!!!
>> 
>> You had better STOP MAKING anti-Semetic statments there eB!!!
>> 
>> Ken Mc OyVay will save a space in his archives for your
>> anti-God's-chosen-ones - statments!!!
>> 
>> You bigot, racist,intolerant, bla,bla,bla,bla,bla,
>> 
>> You get the point!!
>
>
>Has nothing to do with them being Jewish or me anti-semitic. I am strongly opposed to 
>the policies that are being used by the Israelian state to oppress their neighbors, and 
>the people of that state happen to be Jewish. There are many Jews who do not believe in 
>such actions. Oh well, like I give a shit what anyone on this ng would think of calling 
>me anyways!
>
>eB

If you are 'strongly opposed to the policies that are being
used by the Israelian state to oppress their neibours..."
Why are you not strongly opposed to the same type of oppression
by the same type of people against you in your own country?

Instead of looking at the mid-east, look in your own back-yard
you would be surprised what you will find!

Joe
ECDL




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