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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <3228dc01.245303398@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com 
>(George Lehmann) writes:
>
>
>>David Irving, the renouned British Historian, will be speaking at the
>>Marriot Hotel in Newport Beach, CA on September 7th. Irving, who
>>specializes in the history of World War II was propelled to the front
>>ranks of historians of this era by his 1963 study on the annihilation
>>of the defenseless city of Dresden by British and American bombers.
>
>Well, I guess that depends on whether you believe, say,  the demonstrations 
>of how bad his work is by legitimate historians like Eberhard Jackel and 
>Martin Broszat . . .
>
>. . . or his PR flacks and the revisionazi crowd.  
>
>Gee, I guess we know which George chooses to believe.  And maybe we can guess 
>why, eh, George?
>
You'd better check with Manny first, Joel. His posture is equally
hostile, but drawn from other reasons.

Eberhard Jackel and Martin Broszat? Those Norweigians writing history
books again? Do they have a "Nihil Obstant" by Deborah Lipstadt and an
"Imprimatur" by the Simon Wiesenthal Center? (I know it's a cross-
cultural approach. I was just trying to show that the Thought Police
weren't odiously sectarian.)

Anyway, how DOES one make pareve pizza?

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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>Media Control, Close Up (by Jack Killey)
>
>
>To the question, "Do you really believe the Jews own the media?", I can 
>only answer, "Most of it, yes. But they don't have to own it to control 
>it."
>
>An object lesson in this distinction was the downfall of northeastern 
>Ohio's "The Gateway Press," a general interest newsweekly to which I 
>devoted seven years of part-time work.  A fierce smear campaign and  
>unremitting advertising boycott by Cleveland-area Jews -- many not even 
>in our circulation region -- caused the forced sale of a newspaper that 
>many readers trusted to deliver at least an approximation of the truth 
>about events in their communities. 
>
>Until I wrote and my editor published a commentary casting a gimlet eye 
>on President Clinton's many Jewish appointees,  I suppose most Jews in 
>the area, like our general readership, slotted us somewhere between the 
>kitty litter box and the refrigerator door: we had our admirers and 
>detractors, but no one accused the "Gateway" of being docile or tepid in 
>its coverage of local elections, proposed tax or school levy issues, or 
>other events that hit our readers where they lived.
>
>People bought our competitor, the daily flagship of a much larger chain 
>(who, ironically enough, later bought us out), to see who died and whose 
>kid made Little League player of the week: but they opened us to see why 
>cabals of doctors were fighting over the location of a new medical 
>center, or who was behind the push for pro-homosexual curricula in their 
>kids' schools, or which city council had violated the "sunshine law" in a 
>secret meeting last week and why.
>
>If we had a news philosophy it was probably on the order of a thorough
>libertarianism, and we tried as often as possible to deliver both sides 
>of any given story. 
>
>But only about 850 words on Clinton's appointments reduced our county, 
>after 12 years of an alternative, to its former bland diet of 
>one-newspaper pablum. A barely measurable percentage of our readership, 
>none of whom ever refuted the commentary on its particulars, managed to 
>deprive some 48,000 readers of a reliable news source in their 
>communities. The Jews' "persecuted minority" mantle is, I suppose, 
>apropos for a race that showed a gift for the theatrical long before they 
>created Broadway and Hollywood.
>
>"You know, I never considered myself an anti-semite until now," mused one
>staffer, after another day of being cursed at by local shopkeepers 
>suddenly outraged by their advertising vehicle's callous treatment of the 
>Chosen Ones. "But I think they've made me one." 
>
>Neither did I harbor any particular dislike of the Jews, racially or
>religiously, when I composed the piece in question. I don't care much for 
>the ACLU-style leftist politics  of most secular Jews in the U.S., and 
>haven't since a turn towards a social conservatism about 12 years ago. 
>Strangely enough, I cut my teeth on the sort of activist liberalism found 
>in Jewish intellectual organs like "The New Republic" and "The Nation" 
>(and was even published in the latter), and spent more of my college days 
>than I care to remember trotting off to antiwar rallies. I steeped myself 
>in liberal ideas and methodology and, for a variety of reasons, found 
>them wanting. But I can't say that I began to examine the woof and warp 
>of liberalism's ideological crazy quilt for specifically Jewish threads 
>until I witnessed firsthand the rabid response to a little article in a 
>little paper. 
>
>The commentary in question -- published as personal opinion, not that of 
>the newspaper, as all my many commentaries were -- can be easily 
>synopsized. I pointed out the high percentage of Jews among Clinton's 
>appointees, hardly representative of his stated goal to have an 
>administration that "looks like America"; wondered how this may affect 
>American foreign policy towards Israel; and (and this was the part that 
>brought in the big guns against us) ventured the opinion that this facet 
>of the Clinton administration was being deliberately obscured by a 
>Jewish-dominated American media establishment.
>
>You'd think I'd written a glowing reconsideration of "Mein Kampf." My 
>editor's phone started jumping off her desk. Sales reps were screamed at 
>and thrown from premises by red-faced merchants who had previously 
>described us an asset to the community. One of the more prominent Jewish 
>businessmen in the area wrote the editor a venomous letter (specifying, 
>of course, that is was NOT for publication) telling her, "You can't say 
>whether or not you're an anti-semite. Only WE can decide that."
>
>Do you think the surrounding media establishment came to the defense of 
>one of their own embattled members as the pot began to boil beyond the 
>boundaries of Portage County, Ohio? That perhaps they'd defend the First 
>Amendment right of a 12-year-old mainstream newspaper to publish 
>controversial opinion articles? Think again.
>
>It took the Newhouse-owned Cleveland "Plain Dealer" about ten working 
>days to run a lead editorial titled "One For the Fish," written by PD 
>staffer Carloyn Davis, a Jewess who in a personal whine piece once stated 
>her wish that every gun be wiped off the face of the Earth (no liberal 
>bias here). Carolyn was mad, and maybe a little jealous that I could 
>write circles around her. She at least quoted the commentary's best 
>sentence, which was that Clinton "seated enough white European males to 
>ensure that America will be ruined in a competent, intelligent, and 
>well-organized fashion." Otherwise it was the stock denunciation of 
>"anti-semitic. . .crap," seething with horrified disbelief that anyone 
>could suggest that Jews control America's media. (Let's see, a Jewess 
>writer for Ohio's largest -- and Jew-owned -- newspaper attacks
>a rural Gentile-owned weekly in a lead editorial. . .doesn't sound like
>control to me. . .)
>
>The "Cleveland Jewish News" was even more generous, allotting a full page 
>to editor Cynthia Dettelbach herself rather than an underling. An equally
>unexceptional attack it was, bristling with weasel words and broad smears 
>but contradicting none of the commentary's content with opposing facts 
>regarding Clinton's appointees.  I imagine the "Jewish News," like most 
>of the other Jewish organs in the country, ran bannered praise of 
>Clinton's favoritism towards Jews in his administration. I guess it's 
>only impolitic for Gentile publications to notice it, another point I 
>made in the commentary.
>
>This sort of notice by large media organs goes beyond "coverage" of a hot
>topic. Neither publication took any interest in the community served by 
>the "Gateway" and probably cared even less who we, the paper covering it, 
>were.
>
>The Neuhaus-owned "Akron Beacon Journal" ran no editorial hate pieces, 
>but they stayed on top of the unfolding events around that "anti-semitic"
>newspaper in Streetsboro. The "Plain Dealer" nominally covered our 
>county, but we beat them regularly in an area they usually assigned to 
>worn-out hacks in their Summit County bureau. The point is, the sudden 
>interest and overbearing coverage of a heretofore unnoticed region of 
>their circulation area was looking mighty selective. We had touched on a 
>topic that was. . .unpermitted. A Jewish topic. And they were going to 
>make sure that the publication impertinent enough to raise the thorny 
>issue of Jewish power in the American oval office and the American media 
>wouldn't publish for long.
>
>The point man in the effort -- the visible one, anyway -- was Jerry 
>Brodsky, a Jewish principal at the largest and most affluent public 
>school district in our county. His most recent claim to fame had been his 
>opposition to the display of a Christmas tree at the predominantly 
>Gentile school he governed.
>
>Also an attorney and a resident of Beachwood, a heavily-Jewish and 
>affluent Cleveland bedroom suburub, "Jerry the Jew," as he became
>less-than-affectionately known in the "Gateway" office, mounted a 
>secondary advertising boycott against us, sending highminded letters to 
>many of our advertisers warning them of the business to be lost if they 
>continued to advertise with us.  He wrote the letters under his legal
>letterhead, though he took care to remind recipients this wasn't official
>business (although he did remind them of his important position in the 
>school district).
>
>I don't think Jerry the Jew really scared anyone off, but he kept up the
>momentum; the big advertisers who dropped us did so on their own hoof. 
>Jewish Rite Aid CEO Alex Grass suddenly took a personal interest in the 
>ad account of his rundown shop fifteen miles from us and pulled their 
>ads, declaring his offense at the article in a letter to us; Jew Albert 
>Klaben of Klaben Auto Stores, one of the region's biggest-volume car 
>chains, was equally miffed and yanked his. Both were important accounts. 
>Several smaller but regular advertisers pulled one by one, and a large 
>Cleveland-area grocery chain, Gentile-owned but with stores in heavily 
>Jewish Cleveland suburbs, began shuffling their feet and "reconsidering" 
>their account in phone calls and letters to my editor.  Nervous local 
>Gentile bankers and realtors called with weak offers of continuing 
>support, but whined about all  the "bad publicity" we were getting.
>
>We kept the boycott on the front page and started asking questions about 
>the fine line between Jerry the Jew's personal tastes in reading and his 
>duties as a public administrator. Was he using his position in the 
>community to bolster the get-the-Gateway pogrom? Was he tapping out these 
>letters on school time, or on school equipment? Word had it the school 
>board and superintendent weren't too crazy about Jerry's crusade, and 
>eventually he faded into the background. 
>
>But he had apparently had replacements lined up. Dan Dyer, an English 
>teacher in Brodsky's school, and Dyer's wife began firing off similarly 
>outraged letters to our advertisers. It seemed a bit clubby at the least 
>that the next person in the community to pick up the torch happened to 
>work for Jerry (who had also done some legal work for Dyer's wife). 
>
>Anyway, why some of Dan's and the missus's letters were in Jerry's house 
>still flummoxes me. (How do I know they were? Call it intuition.) I don't 
>route my correspondence through my boss's house. Maybe it's a Jewish 
>thing. Mrs. Dyer didn't know why either when I called to ask her, 
>stammering, "uh, uh, you'd, uh better ask Dan that." I tried, but Dan 
>never called back. At least Jerry called me once, but I don't say 
>anything of substance into speaker phones when I don't know who else -- 
>maybe a better lawyer than Jerry -- is in the room. (He said it was the 
>only way the phone worked.)
>
>I can't give Brodsky and company full credit for sinking the "Gateway 
>Press," much as they'd probably enjoy it. We were used to a rather anemic 
>income and the usual weekly calamities that await any small enterprise, 
>especially one competing for ads and readership in what is probably 
>called in the trade a "minor media market."  But as we found out, no 
>market is too minor to manipulate when Jewish sensibilities are involved. 
> The persistent strain of the boycott and attendant pressures on an 
>already precarious balance-sheet took their toll.  We cycled through ad 
>reps and other personnel even faster than usual as commissions and morale 
>sagged. My editor/publisher, a woman with 25 years in the business and a 
>well-deserved reputation for personal tenacity and a take-no-prisoners 
>journalism style, did what she could to hold things together. But even 
>the tough get tired. While not fully in agreement with me on the topic of 
>Jewish media control, she refused my offer of resignation early on and 
>continued to publically defend her publication of the piece under
>her longstanding commitment to airing cogently-argued, if unpopular, 
>opinions of every stripe. But I don't think even she, experienced in the 
>business as she was,  expected the virulent response my article 
>generated.
>
>When she called us into her office for the news of the sale to our 
>competitor, I thought of a mysterious anonymous caller, a not-unfriendly 
>and apparently Gentile woman with a patrician accent who contacted me 
>early in the fray. She calmly told me the history of "the boycott," 
>meaning not the current one against us but the historical prototype of 
>the Jewish version of it, and said, "your paper wil be out of business in 
>18 months." It took, I think, 14.
>
>What I found significant throughout this process was the outsized 
>influence wielded by a small clique, and a clique at that who would 
>normally have had no special interest in our paper or in our region, 
>which is largely rural and probably 99 percent gentile. Even had a 
>genuine boycott been carried out its effect would have been negligible.
>
>Bad publicity seems to have been the boycott's purpose; since the largest 
>advertisers who pulled were Jews, a phone call to them from Brodsky or 
>the "Jewish News" or the Cleveland ADL probably would have sufficed. 
>
>Another feature of the boycott that struck me was the powerlessness of 
>our gentile readers, many of whom were outraged by the attack on us. We 
>weren't lacking in support from our readership, some of whom were 
>courageous enough to register their agreement with the commentary in our 
>letters column. I found encouraging the number of readers who told me 
>privately their feelings on Jewish power in U.S. politics -- but 
>unfortunately, they didn't wield the power the Jews do among U.S. 
>merchandisers, bankers, car dealers, and realtors, the people whose ad 
>dollars support small (and large) newspapers.
>
>It shouldn't have surprised me. I had to laugh at Jewess Davis's 
>description of Jewish media power in the "Plain Dealer" editorial as a 
>"bigoted buzz phrase that goes back decades." One doesn't have to sample 
>overtly "racist" writings to encounter references to Jewish media 
>control, and they date back much farther than decades. When I see past 
>allusions to Jewish press power from the pens of such august and 
>"establishment" figures as historian W.E.H. Lecky,  Churchill, Hillaire 
>Belloc, or Sir Richard Burton (among many others), two things cross my 
>mind. 
>
>One is the casual manner of its mention, as though these writers are 
>noting that the sky is blue.  Lecky, for example, in his late 
>nineteenth-century masterpiece "Democracy and Liberty," devotes a 
>paragraph or two to Jewish domination of the Russian press under the 
>Czars (he attributes to it at least some of the resentment the average 
>Russian felt for the Jews during the pogroms). No earnest attempt is made 
>to convice the reader of a doubtful precept, no long lists of proofs are 
>proferred: not because they couldn't be produced, one senses, but because 
>it simply isn't necessary  to document what appears to have been a 
>commonly-known fact among the less-numerous, but better-informed,
>literate members of earlier generations.
>
>The second and more troubling thing that strikes me about this is that
>contemporary authors of comparative standing could not publish  similar
>observations, or at least not without sudden relegation to vanity presses 
>and maybe community college jobs. Probably only the eminence and the 
>solid corpus of work produced by earlier authors, and perhaps less fear 
>among Gentile publishers, allowed them to make such references without 
>destroying their careers. 
>
>At any rate,  Jewish press control is hardly a venal myth that's been
>propagated for decades (centuries?) by antisemites; it is rather a truth 
>that has been relentlessly obscured by increasingly powerful Jewish 
>interests within and outside the press. No one who has closely studied 
>the pertinent history at any length can convincingly argue otherwise, 
>even if the student limits himself to "permitted" books and authors 
>rather than documents some find inherently questionable (i.e. the 
>"Protocols.") The extent to which an offending author is pushed to the 
>margins or shielded from the public by a self-interested Jewish minority 
>probably depends on a variety of factors, but one thing is certain: he 
>won't emerge from the process quite intact.
>
>So what has this to do with the experiences of a small-time writer for a
>little newspaper in Streetsboro, Ohio? Only that I saw firsthand what 
>happens and has happened to many writers who dare to write and publish on 
>the fact of Jewish media and political influence. It was in one sense a 
>privilege to be in courageous company living and dead: to be allocated 
>the ire bestowed on people like Belloc, Chesterton, Dr. Pierce,
>Douglas Reed, Wilmot Robertson was a badge of honor of sorts. 
>
>In other senses, not least the sacrifice of a good newspaper on the altar 
>of Jewish sensibilities, it was a tragedy. Not for me: it's virtually 
>certain that despite fifteen years of some pretty good journalism on my 
>part, I'll never work again for a "respectable" journal, but given the 
>litmus tests and the rules imposed by them, who would want to? If 
>anything, my experience in fifteen years in the field has been one of 
>progressive distaste for it, and in that sentiment at least I join a 
>growing number of Americans. Unfortunately, most readers and television 
>viewers will probably continue to be guided by a thirst for entertainment 
>and stimulation despite their stated disgust for the mainstream media. 
>But there's no doubt that awareness of the true nature and agenda of 
>America's "mainstream," i.e., Jewish, media is growing, and perhaps
>we can take a page from the Chosen Ones themselves when it comes to the
>retribution a committed and aligned minority can impose.
>
>(A copy of the original editorial that spurred the "boycott" is 
>available.)
>
>written by Jack Killey
>posted by Kevin Alfred Strom
>-- 
>
>
>Kevin Alfred Strom

Lincoln's maxim was _almost_ correct: one CAN fool enough of the
people ALL of the time ... but it can't be done FOREVER. And when the
realization comes home to roost -- "Oy vay!"

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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jmanish@suffolk.lib.ny.us (Manny) wrote:

>>present ANYTHING which had not been doctored to suit their vile
>>purposes.
>>
>>2) I don't know which "Movement" you are referring to. My primary
>>concern is the preservation of the fundamentally European nature
>>of the United States and the preservation of the High Culture of the
>>Occident (a "movement"--if you wish to call it that--which is shared
>>by such well-known Jewish intellectuals as Rabbi Meyer Schiller,
>>Irving Kristal, and Norm Chomsky, _inter alios_.
>>
>>3) The other area of concern is historical revision: that the horrible
>>pogrom of the Jews and others during WWII be accurate as to FACT,
>>and not merely a collection of unproven--and in some cases--DIS-
>>proven allegations. For example, none other than Deborah Lipstadt
>>(I feel SURE you've heard the name!) wrote in a letter to the L.A.
>>Times that there was NO truth to the allegation that soap was ever
>>made from Jewish (or any other) corpses. Furthermore, the "lamp-
>>shade" myth has been similarly discarded. Let us not forget that a
>>number of German POWs were hanged for participation in the Katyn
>>Massacre, a monstrous crime the Russians now admit was carried out
>>by the Soviets. If the Search for Truth be a crime, I proudly enter a
>>plea of "guilty"!
>>
>>===============================================================
>>
>>MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
>>      "Ursus Major"
>
>
>Ursus Major, How much is the Jew (Your Employer) paying you to advocate 
>Jewery? When the fuck will you realize that Jews are the most organized, 
>richest group in the world! While hard-working people give sweat and 
>blood to their stinking job, the Jew is getter fatter and richer!
>
>I don't care what you say your racial background is, your attitude from the 
>posts makes me believe that you'r like a "dirty" Aryan, not only as bad as 
>a Jew, but WORSE! You're like a dirty cop, who one minute is chasing the 
>bad guy, but a minute later (and thousands of dollors later) is shaking the 
>hands of the people he's sworn to destory!
>
>I hope you're happy with the dirty money in your bank, while your Aryan 
>brother and sisters work at miserable jobs having to listen to a fat Jew!

Somehow, I'm lead to the belief that I'm right on target! To the
devotées of that ersatz-religion known as Holocaustomania, I'm a Nazi-
apologist, if not a crypto-Himmlerite. (Hey, if we're inventing names
and epithets, let's go for the full shot. Why not? After all, I just
received a gift from a friend with a wry sense of humor and more money
than I wish I had: a book. The title is _The Pink Swastika_ and the
premise is--now get this!--that National Socialism was a homosexual
conspiracy: you know, "The Protocols of the Elders of Sodom"! That the
virulent anti-Semitism stemmed from Judaism's unrelenting disapproval
 of "the love that dare not shout 'Shav o Israel' ..." or something
like that. Gee, and here I thought the Nazis were even rougher on the
Pink Triangle set than the Yellow one. Live and learn ... and sell
books that meet the Lipstadt litmus test.)

Now Manny, the Great Aryan Embarassment, comes along and informs me
that I'm a scuzz-bucket apologist for the Jews, and either in on the
take or just a total sellout for admitting that there were innocent
Jews, who were brutally murdered by the Nazis.

Perhaps Joel, Randy Andy, and Manny should gather over a pareve pizza
and put together a volume of Ursine Insults and Epithets for All
Occassions. (Prof. Lipstadt could INSURE that St. Martin's Press would
rush it into print. Or maybe it would have consigned to some miserable
corner of Nizkor's "Compendium of Unworthies," or whatever.)

How does one make pareve pizza?

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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jmanish@suffolk.lib.ny.us (Manny) wrote:

>>present ANYTHING which had not been doctored to suit their vile
>>purposes.
>>
>>2) I don't know which "Movement" you are referring to. My primary
>>concern is the preservation of the fundamentally European nature
>>of the United States and the preservation of the High Culture of the
>>Occident (a "movement"--if you wish to call it that--which is shared
>>by such well-known Jewish intellectuals as Rabbi Meyer Schiller,
>>Irving Kristal, and Norm Chomsky, _inter alios_.
>>
>>3) The other area of concern is historical revision: that the horrible
>>pogrom of the Jews and others during WWII be accurate as to FACT,
>>and not merely a collection of unproven--and in some cases--DIS-
>>proven allegations. For example, none other than Deborah Lipstadt
>>(I feel SURE you've heard the name!) wrote in a letter to the L.A.
>>Times that there was NO truth to the allegation that soap was ever
>>made from Jewish (or any other) corpses. Furthermore, the "lamp-
>>shade" myth has been similarly discarded. Let us not forget that a
>>number of German POWs were hanged for participation in the Katyn
>>Massacre, a monstrous crime the Russians now admit was carried out
>>by the Soviets. If the Search for Truth be a crime, I proudly enter a
>>plea of "guilty"!
>>
>>===============================================================
>>
>>MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
>>      "Ursus Major"
>
>
>Ursus Major, How much is the Jew (Your Employer) paying you to advocate 
>Jewery? When the fuck will you realize that Jews are the most organized, 
>richest group in the world! While hard-working people give sweat and 
>blood to their stinking job, the Jew is getter fatter and richer!
>
>I don't care what you say your racial background is, your attitude from the 
>posts makes me believe that you'r like a "dirty" Aryan, not only as bad as 
>a Jew, but WORSE! You're like a dirty cop, who one minute is chasing the 
>bad guy, but a minute later (and thousands of dollors later) is shaking the 
>hands of the people he's sworn to destory!
>
>I hope you're happy with the dirty money in your bank, while your Aryan 
>brother and sisters work at miserable jobs having to listen to a fat Jew!

Somehow, I'm lead to the belief that I'm right on target! To the
devotées of that ersatz-religion known as Holocaustomania, I'm a Nazi-
apologist, if not a crypto-Himmlerite. (Hey, if we're inventing names
and epithets, let's go for the full shot. Why not? After all, I just
received a gift from a friend with a wry sense of humor and more money
than I wish I had: a book. The title is _The Pink Swastika_ and the
premise is--now get this!--that National Socialism was a homosexual
conspiracy: you know, "The Protocols of the Elders of Sodom"! That the
virulent anti-Semitism stemmed from Judaism's unrelenting disapproval
 of "the love that dare not shout 'Shav o Israel' ..." or something
like that. Gee, and here I thought the Nazis were even rougher on the
Pink Triangle set than the Yellow one. Live and learn ... and sell
books that meet the Lipstadt litmus test.)

Now Manny, the Great Aryan Embarassment, comes along and informs me
that I'm a scuzz-bucket apologist for the Jews, and either in on the
take or just a total sellout for admitting that there were innocent
Jews, who were brutally murdered by the Nazis.

Perhaps Joel, Randy Andy, and Manny should gather over a pareve pizza
and put together a volume of Ursine Insults and Epithets for All
Occassions. (Prof. Lipstadt could INSURE that St. Martin's Press would
rush it into print. Or maybe it would have consigned to some miserable
corner of Nizkor's "Compendium of Unworthies," or whatever.)

How does one make pareve pizza?

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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jmanish@suffolk.lib.ny.us (Manny) wrote:

>>present ANYTHING which had not been doctored to suit their vile
>>purposes.
>>
>>2) I don't know which "Movement" you are referring to. My primary
>>concern is the preservation of the fundamentally European nature
>>of the United States and the preservation of the High Culture of the
>>Occident (a "movement"--if you wish to call it that--which is shared
>>by such well-known Jewish intellectuals as Rabbi Meyer Schiller,
>>Irving Kristal, and Norm Chomsky, _inter alios_.
>>
>>3) The other area of concern is historical revision: that the horrible
>>pogrom of the Jews and others during WWII be accurate as to FACT,
>>and not merely a collection of unproven--and in some cases--DIS-
>>proven allegations. For example, none other than Deborah Lipstadt
>>(I feel SURE you've heard the name!) wrote in a letter to the L.A.
>>Times that there was NO truth to the allegation that soap was ever
>>made from Jewish (or any other) corpses. Furthermore, the "lamp-
>>shade" myth has been similarly discarded. Let us not forget that a
>>number of German POWs were hanged for participation in the Katyn
>>Massacre, a monstrous crime the Russians now admit was carried out
>>by the Soviets. If the Search for Truth be a crime, I proudly enter a
>>plea of "guilty"!
>>
>>===============================================================
>>
>>MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
>>      "Ursus Major"
>
>
>Ursus Major, How much is the Jew (Your Employer) paying you to advocate 
>Jewery? When the fuck will you realize that Jews are the most organized, 
>richest group in the world! While hard-working people give sweat and 
>blood to their stinking job, the Jew is getter fatter and richer!
>
>I don't care what you say your racial background is, your attitude from the 
>posts makes me believe that you'r like a "dirty" Aryan, not only as bad as 
>a Jew, but WORSE! You're like a dirty cop, who one minute is chasing the 
>bad guy, but a minute later (and thousands of dollors later) is shaking the 
>hands of the people he's sworn to destory!
>
>I hope you're happy with the dirty money in your bank, while your Aryan 
>brother and sisters work at miserable jobs having to listen to a fat Jew!

Somehow, I'm lead to the belief that I'm right on target! To the
devotées of that ersatz-religion known as Holocaustomania, I'm a Nazi-
apologist, if not a crypto-Himmlerite. (Hey, if we're inventing names
and epithets, let's go for the full shot. Why not? After all, I just
received a gift from a friend with a wry sense of humor and more money
than I wish I had: a book. The title is _The Pink Swastika_ and the
premise is--now get this!--that National Socialism was a homosexual
conspiracy: you know, "The Protocols of the Elders of Sodom"! That the
virulent anti-Semitism stemmed from Judaism's unrelenting disapproval
 of "the love that dare not shout 'Shav o Israel' ..." or something
like that. Gee, and here I thought the Nazis were even rougher on the
Pink Triangle set than the Yellow one. Live and learn ... and sell
books that meet the Lipstadt litmus test.)

Now Manny, the Great Aryan Embarassment, comes along and informs me
that I'm a scuzz-bucket apologist for the Jews, and either in on the
take or just a total sellout for admitting that there were innocent
Jews, who were brutally murdered by the Nazis.

Perhaps Joel, Randy Andy, and Manny should gather over a pareve pizza
and put together a volume of Ursine Insults and Epithets for All
Occassions. (Prof. Lipstadt could INSURE that St. Martin's Press would
rush it into print. Or maybe it would have consigned to some miserable
corner of Nizkor's "Compendium of Unworthies," or whatever.)

How does one make pareve pizza?

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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Mycroft  wrote:

>Pat Buchannan is a racist.  He's the one who, among other things,
>encouraged President Reagan to visit the Tomb of the unknown 
>Nazi soldier over the objections of Holocust survivors.  He denies
>that the Holocust even happened.  This is in his own writings.
>There are Republicans who are not racist and who have sensible
>ideas.  Pat Buchannan is not one of them.

Too bad! There goes his chance of being invited to the Wine and
Cheese Party to he held at the High Temple of Holocaustomania,
in downtown Washington, DC (commerating all the Americans who
were gassed by standing downwind from the Wiesenthal Center).

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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Well, at least we're listing the topics on this thread
in the proper order of their importance!

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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schwartz@infinet.com wrote:

>In article <3228dc01.245303398@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, ursus_m@ix.netcom.com
>(Ursus Major) wrote:
>
>> David Irving, the renouned British Historian, will be speaking at the
>> Marriot Hotel in Newport Beach, CA on September 7th.
>
>Renouned [sic] ?!?
> 
>He may be renouned (is that like being a noun, and then becoming a noun
>again?) but he CERTAINLY not respected.
> 
>Sara

Ever read the guidelines on Netiquette, Bubbi?
Maybe you should peruse them during your next ritual bath.

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        "Ursus Major"


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dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:

>      Summary: A "leading revisionist scholar" in action;
>        Irving's extreme dishonesty and deceitfulness
>      ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>Together with Robert Faurisson, David Irving is considered by
>Holocaust-deniers as a "leading revisionist" worldwide. It is not
>absolutely clear how Irving is viewed by the deniers and other
>neo-Nazis now, after he recently stated that the Nazis did kill
>4 million Jews (a figure lower than the true one, however far 
>higher than the one usually given by Holocaust-deniers).
> 
It's also a figure wildly in excess of that given by Jean-Claude
Pressac, "Affirmer" bought-and-paid-for by the Karlsfelds. Does
that diminish Pressac's standing in the Holohugger Hierarchy?

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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>
>Yad Vashem, Israel's Memorial Museum, was built far before.
>
That is correct, Andy, and as you say ISRAEL'S Yad Vashem museum
was built before. Israel is an openly Jewish state, and the bulk of
the alleged victims were Jewish, so a museum IN ISRAEL is not out of
place. The United States is NOT a Jewish state (occupied, perhaps,
but not OFFICIALLY), so there is no logical reason to build any museum
about the fate of non-Americans in Poland and points east, any more
than there is to build a museum to commemerate the victims of The Rape
of Nanking in Washington, D.C. The "museum" was built for one and only
one purpose: to make sure American tax dollars keep flowing to Israel.
It's not a "museum"; it's a lobbying center and should be stripped of
it's tax-exempt status.


>>Then, whammo, the bulk--not the whole, but the bulk--of the Myth
>>begins to fall apart. The Polish government OFFICIALLY reduces the
>>number of fatalities at Auschwitz, which has become the Eye of The
>>Holocaust, by 80%. E-i-g-h-t-y p-e-r-c-e-n-t! Does this in result in
>>an "adjustment" to the Mystical, Magicial, Canonical, and Dogmatic
>>Six Million? Not much, if any.  Then chemical studies are performed on
>>the fiednish gas chambers, and there's no residuum of HCn. In the
>>buildings where matresses and such were disinfected, the residuum
>>goes through the roof, but in the homicidal "gas chambers," there's no
>>significant residuum. The first one to expose this is an American
>>gineer, who designed also every gas chamber in the U.S. Not only is he
>>villified at every turn--he now finds out he's >persona non grata< and
>>unable to get employment. Hmmm....
>
>First, the Polish gov't is not exactly pro-Jewish; second, the total
>number of Jewish deaths at Auschwitz stands unchallenged by any
>reputable source at 1.5-2 million.

Now the Poles are anti-Semites. Who ISN'T an anti-Semite? The Jews
have been around a good 3,000 years. Has ANYBODY EVER LIKED THEM?
Sometimes, they've been tolerated; but on the whole, when you get down
to it, THEY'VE BEEN UNIVERSALLY LOATHED?  WHY??
   The Poles don't like them, the Russians loathe them, the Germans
(according to Goldhagen) imbibe anti-Semitism with mother's milk,
"Ghetto" is an Italian word. The obvious anti-Semitism of the French
is what caused Herzl to start Zionism, the English banned them for 400
years, the Spanish and the Portuguese threw them out of the country.
The Greeks detested them. The Romans got along o.k. with the Sad-
ducees, but Zealots of the Irgun style eventually led to the Roman
booting them out, as they were incorrigible trouble-makers.

The ones who tolerated them the lonest (for a price) were the Muslims,
whom the Jews "thanked" by stealing their lands, massacring whole
villages (Deir Yassin, et al.) and constantly subjecting them to such
rank injustice that NOBODY hates the Jews today with the fury of the
Muslims. WHO LIKES THE YIDDIM ... EXCEPT THOSE ON THE TAKE?
>
>>Hang in there, it gets worse! A crack Polish team is send to Auschwitz
>>to rebut these findings--and ends up confirming them. Then squads from
>>other countries take a look at each and every one of them come up with
>>the same answer: IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED AS DESCRIBED!
>
>>Hey, why doesn't Nizkor send its own team of engineers and chemists?
>>They've awash in funds. No, just silence. Nobody is offering one shred
>>of impartial evidence that these technicians are WRONG.
>
>>And you're coming to me, saying "Now you stop calling me Randy Andy,
>>and don't you make any Crimethink comments about Revisionism ... or
>>I'll post your telephone number right here!" Careful, Andy, careful --
>>you'd better confer about extortion, especially as it's already been
>>documented and I'm sure the same sources will inform you about the
>>federal privacy legislation.
>
>This has been dealt with...
>
>>If you want to refute those with whom you disagree according to gener-
>>ally accepted standards of debate, I'm not going to villify you.
>>(Randy Andy is even a villification. Obviously you don't know what
>>"randy" means, and it's not insulting.) It seems to be your side which
>>has the monopoly on >ad hominum< insults, villifications, and the
>>like, and when they encounter someone who IS Jewish and STILL a
>>Revisionist, they go bonkers: there aren't enough vile names in the
>>lexicon to go around.
>
>Please name 3 Jewish revisionists.

Gladly, Andy:

David Cole, whose film on Auschwitz has become a must-see in every
                         college dorm around.
David Lilienthal: author of >What Price Israel?<
Samuel Kunkun: of Cal State Univ., Long Beach ... 
                        and that's just for starters.


  Stop. Noam Chomsky is not a
>revisionist, despite the Jewish establishment's claims to the
>contrary.

The Jewish ESTABLISHMENT? Who might THAT consist of?
Certainly Jehuda Bauer of Yad Vashem was not following the Party Line
                   when he wrote that far more Jews died of natural
                   causes than intentional homicidal acts. Is he also
                   another non-revisionist revisionist? 

>See Nizkor on that also.

Is Nizkor, the site dedicated to the 14,678,346,149,167.42 victims of
the Nazis the ARBITER of who is or is not a "revisionist"? Who gave
them this mandate? The Learned Elders?
>
>>Well, to put matters straight: I'm a >goy<. I don't believe one shred
>>of any Jewish religious text, none of it. You should follow decent
>>manners in using the Internet, or be taken to task for rank abuse.
>>I'm led to the conclusion that the Nazi (and not just German) pogrom
>>of the Jews during WWII was a horrid, monstrous act--but not a unique
>>one. Compared to Stalin, Hitler was an altar-boy.
>
>So you admit the Holocaust happened?

I certainly admit that horrendous numbers of human beings were
murdered in cold blood for no other reason than that they were Jewish.
There was, indeed A holocaust, but it was not THE holocaust. There
were all sorts of Holocausts, where innocent human beings were mur-
dered in cold blood. At Katyn, at Coventry, at Dresden, at Hiroshima,
in Stalin's death camps, in Eisenhower's death camps. It was a
horrible, blood-soaked period: a standing disgrace toward man's in
humanity to man. I freely admit it, and it makes me tremble for my
species!  As the song ran, "When will they ever learn?"

>
>>And you can take it from there.
>
>Well, Stalin killed at least twice as many people as were killed (Jews
>and Gentiles) by Hitler.  But he was insane--he had married a Jewish
>woman at one point, but was a vicious antisemite.  And he refused to
>trade SS POWs for his own son's life.

And where is the MUSEUM in Washington, D.C. to Stalin's victims? And
where are the university courses on Stalin's crimes? And where are the
departments of Communist Atrocities providing cushy jobs ? They were
GOYIM; they don't count?

>
>Hitler was a cold, calculating murderer.  And a successful one at
>that.  Ever read his last will and testament?  No forgery.

You're absolutely correct. Adolf Hitler was a murderer. His first
victims were those who brought him to power: Ernst Roehm, the
whole leadership of the S.A., who died for him in street-battles with
the Communists (who were every bit as vicious as the Nazis), and
Gregor Strasser, along with the whole "left wing" of the NSDAP, as
well as many conservatives, whom Hiter regarded as a threat--and
just some "personal scores" to settle, like the prosecutor at his
treason trial. The Night of Long Knives destroyed Germany as a 
_Rechtstaat_: a country where law ruled. If there were any treason
plot (which there wasn't), Roehm could have been tried for that--like
he'd been tried for homosexual offences (and VIGOROUSLY defended
by Hitler). But there were no trials. There were just MURDERS, and
Germany sank to the level of a dicatorship. The first Holocaust had
about 400 victims, none of them Jewish -- for in my lexicon, a
HOLOCAUST IS THE INTENTIONAL MURDER OF INNOCENTS.
>
>Andrew Mathis

and your respondent, GJL. (aka "Ursus Major").

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Mycroft  wrote:

>Spark/Thomas J. Miller jr. wrote:
>
>> Mycroft:
>> Just a note: Please do not lump us all together with the hate-talking
>> few. I do not do this to the Democrats, so please take time to consider
>> the source itself before passing judgement on the rest of us. Thank you.
>
>That was not my intention.  I don't think that all Republicans are racist
>just like I don't think all Democrats are closet "flower children".  The
>fact is my party attracts the fringe from the left and your's attracts the
>fringe from the right.  Lately the right-wing fringe in your party has
>been getting more and more vocal.  As a result, the Republican party is
>facing the same kind of backlash that the Democrats faced for being percieved
>as too "liberal".  Maybe Dole and Kemp will see this problem for what it
>is and start practicing the politics of inclusion instead of division, but
>one week in San Diego isn't going to cut it.

Oh, I don't know. I resulted in scrapping the plans to revise the
>Horst Wessel Lied< (with appropriate English and Spanish texts)
as the Party's new anthem. See, some progress was made.

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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publius@gate.net (Publius) wrote:

>     The Democrats intend to ride to victory over the "Bridge to  
>  the Future",  constructed by their cynical advisor - Dick Morris. 
>     There is no need of such a "Bridge" because as far as the eye 
>  can see there is a high-speed, multi-lane road to the "Future". 
>  Its sign posts are the increasing drug use by the "Generation of  
>  the Future" - (The President made light of drug use on MTV.) -
>  sexual perversion, economic distortions by Money Manipulators,
>  class warfare, and every imaginable kind of vicious behavior 
>  now encouraged by the "Media" and their organs of social mani-
>  pulation - the same "Media" that make no secret of supporting
>  the Democrat victory.
>     What we do need is a "Bridge to the Past". Not a "Bridge" to
>  the so-called "Horse and Buggy Days" which no one seeks or
>  proposes, but a "Bridge to the Timeless Past". A "Bridge" that
>  will re-establish contact with those Moral Imperatives that
>  have guided former generations of patriotic Americans and
>  must guide the "Generation of the Future" if we are to survive.
>  PUBLIUS at   Leading Edge of Social Change.  
>  
>       
Sounds like >Jurassic Park<, without the benefits of a solid foun-
dation in Latin. Publius, you didn't include your FULL name:

		PUBLIUS ILLE FLATUS!

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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Well, at least we're listing the topics on this thread
in the proper order of their importance!

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) wrote:

>In message <5057mm$gpg@Networking.Stanford.EDU> - rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich
>Graves)29 Aug 1996 16:04:54 -0700 writes:
>
>[deleted]
>
>:>Just as there are a great many Germans and Austrians who opposed Hitler. 
>:>But there weren't enough of them, and as Goldhagen and others have
>:>documented, centuries of antisemitic propaganda had inured them to hate
>:>and genocide. And of course there was the person of Hitler.
>:>
>:> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/h/hitler.adolf/
>:>
>:>See especially the OSS Papers, a new feature of the site.
>
>The OSS papers are indeed interesting, but do tread carefully with them. 
>Although they contain much insight on Hitler, they also contain much rubbish. 
>Langer, who did the main writing, depended much on opponents of Hitler to
>gather information.  One of the main sources was Otto Strasser, who hated
>Hitler with a passion (Hitler had, among other things, had his brother Gregor
>killed during the Roehm purge) and he was all to ready to provide all sorts of
>information that was innuendo at best and rtubbish art worst.
>
>I have quoted an example below that I took directly off the Nizkor site.  The
>only changes I have made is strip off the HTML code and clean up the spelling.
>
>[begin quote]
>
>Adolf Hitler
>OSS Psychological Profile
>Page 190 of 349
>
>[...]
>
>interesting to note that according to one of our most reliable informants
>Hitler only became a real vegetarian after the death of his niece, Geli.  In
>clinical practice, one almost invariably finds compulsive vegetarianism
>setting in after the death of a loved object.
>
>We may, therefore, regard Hitler' s perversion as a compromise between
>psychotic tendencies to eat faeces and drink urine one the one hand, and to
>live a normal socially adjusted life on the other. The compromise is not,
>however, satisfactory to either side of his nature and the struggle between
>these two diverse tendencies continues to rage unconsciously. We must not
>suppose that Hitler gratifies his strange perversion frequently. Patients of
>this type rarely do and in Hitler' s case it is highly probable that he has
>permitted himself to go this far only with his niece Geli. The practice of
>this perversion represents the lowest depths of degradation.
>
>Masochistic gratifications.
>
>In most patients suffering from this perversion the unconscious forces only
>get out of control to this degree when a fairly strong love relationship is
>established and sexuality makes decisive demands. In other cases where the
>love component is less Strong the individual contents himself with less
>degrading activities. This is brought out cleariy in the case of Rene Mueller
>who confided to her director, Zeissler (921), who had asked her what was
>troubling her after spending an evensong at the Chancelllory, that the evening
>before she
>
>The original plaintext version of this file is available via
>ftp.
>
>[end quote]
>
>This is of course the greatest rubbish.  It was Strasser who was responsible
>for this, an allegation he made up from whole cloth and was of course unable
>to substantiate.  Apart from Robert Waite (_Hitler, the Psychopathic God_),
>who simply repeated the Langer document, no other serious historian I have
>ever read has adhered to this foolishness.  In fact, the best evidence is that
>Hitler's sexual perferences were completely "normal".
>
>Not to say the OSS study is worthless, but it is to be taken with a great and
>large grain of salt.
>
>
It should also be pointed out that this "study" was done in 1943, and
that Otto Strasser's allegations as to what Geli Raubel told him came
>from  Canadian Intellegence. (An in-depth look at the Raubel suicide
was a feature article in _Vanity Fair_ about two years ago.)

There are two things wrong with this report: 1) Hitler's vegetarianism
and adoption of my other yogic pratices date from his association with
Dietrich Erhardt [?], Hitler's first mentor and a devotée of the Thule
Society, some mystical-magical group popular in pre-WWI Munich.
The general consensus is that Hitler had a rather low libido and took
a conscious vow of celibacy as part of his yogic orientation. (Goeb-
ble's diaries refer to offering to "arrange" some company for his
chief, and Hitler politely declining. There is not the slightest indi-
cation of homosexuality. Hitler seems to have been rather open-
minded on that subject, having defended Roehm during the scan-
dal trial, and then became "indignant" AFTER Roehm was mur-
dered. (It was Himmler who was a raging homophobe, not A.H.)
   Second, it is HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS that a woman would reveal
such things to a man and not to another woman. There is no indi-
cation that there was a "special bond" between Raul and Otto
Strasser. Geli may have felt the need to tell someone, but it's very
unlikely she would have chosen Otto Strasser, during a stroll in
Munich's English Garden. Hitler had murdered Otto's brother (even
though it was the Strassers who brought both Himmler and Goeb-
bles into the Nazi Party) and was furious that Otto escaped. Anything
Strasser could do to defile such a fiend (in his eyes) was warranted.
(Strasser eventually returned to Germany with the intent of reviving
National-Socialism in its "pure" form, before Hitler corrupted it into
a vehicle for his megalomania and manic hatreds; but Strasser died
shortly after returning to Germany.)

The suicide of Geli Raubel remains a bizarre mystery. There was a let-
ter with a half-finished sentence about a drive to Semmering (a resort
outside Vienna) and a body with one bullet through the head. When AH
was told, he went completely to pieces. (It was suggested that Gregor
Strasser take charge.) Geli Raubel became a cult-figure: When von
Paulus surrendered at Stalingrad, Hitler berated him and the troops
for not having "the courage of a woman [meaning Geli] and fighting to
the end." (Actually, they might as well have. Of the 90,000 who sur-
rendered. only about 5,000 survived the war.)

That Hitler could still have been appointed Chancellor, with the Roehm
scandal and Geli Raubel's suicide still fresh news is utterly bizarre.
>
>--
>Gord McFee
>I'll write no line before its time
>
addendum ex gratia ...

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep  2 18:53:40 PDT 1996
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322b2d11.2640309@news.spry.com> klewis@veritas.nizkor.org (Ken Lewis) writes:
>
>>On Sun, 01 Sep 1996 01:06:17 GMT, ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>wrote:
>
>>>David Irving, the renouned British Historian, will be speaking at the
>
>>David Irving renouned?
>
>>How about David Irving amateur historian? David Irving without
>>credentials? David Irving who has been repudiated by every respectable
>>historisn? David Irving who engages in selective quotations? David
>>Irving who has twice been sucessfully sued for libel?
>
>>You revisionists pick strange bed-fellows.
>
>But what choice do they have, though?  If they were looking for somebody to 
>write about how, say, the US Civil War never happened (and, actually, come to 
>think of it, as well-documented as it is, the War Between the States is much 
>less well-documented than the Holocaust, for obvious reasons), you think 
>they'd get a lot real historians to play along?
>
>Nah.
>
>As far as Irving goes, were his work credible, that would be something else.  
>The problem with him isn't that he doesn't belong to the Official Historian's 
>Club; the problem is that, as has been demonstrated, his work sucks rocks.  
>
>Which is why, finally, that he has so much trouble finding and keeping a 
>decent publisher.  Folks who publish history don't mind if people disagree 
>with their authors' conclusions, or even find an error here or there.  But the 
>sort of -- at best -- deceitful selective quotation and misinterpretation that 
>Irving does is something else.
>
>The IHR and CODOH ought to take over publishing his books.  
>
>Either them, or the Flat Earth Society.  

How strange that the Russian (formerly Soviet) government would open
its Archives and allow a "rank amateur" access to the only extant copy
of Josef Goebbels' diaries, preserved on glass photographic plates.

Was this significant act accorded Deborah Lipstadt, High Priestess of
Holocaustomania and "acknowledged" historian? No! How about the others
who follow the Nizkor Party-Line, Chapter and Verse (incl. Deuteronomy
xx 15-17)? No, none of them either! Instead, a "rank amateuer"--and
that's only how the list of villifications start--is accorded access
to this SOURCE MATERIAL, of inestimable value in reconstructing the
history, rather than the MYTHOLOGY, of the WWII era? Dumb Russians:
don't know a rank amateur from a "true" (i.e. kosher) historian?

Irving's analysis of Goebbel's diaries was indeed supposed to be pub-
lished in the U.S., by St. Martin's Press. But the Elders of Holo-
caustomania have been annoyed with St. Martin's for some time. After
all, it was St. Martin's which published James Bacque's exposé of
Eisenhower's death camps. And so, it was spelled out to them: either
cancel your publication of Irving's book--or we'll put you out of
business. St. Martin's got the message--and backed out. (It's not easy
to find a publisher willing to take on The Power of the Purse for one
book, or even a series of them.)
   Irving has had his home assaulted numerous times: mini-_Kristal-
naechte_ for daring to reveal facts which contradict Holodogma. Does
Irving DENY that Jews were brutally, criminally murdered by the Nazis
(and their all-too-willing accomplices). Absolutely not! He relates
how one of his source-providers was invited to a mass-execution by
Himmler himself, as if it were a Sunday picnic. The sheer monstrous-
ness of what the man had seen had stayed with him for years. "Tell
the world what fiends they were!" he implored. And Irving did.
   So why is he vilified? Because of the numbers. Irving maintains
the Mystical Magical Dogmatic SIX MILLION is a gross exaggeration.
In Holocaustomania, this Six Million figure has become--mutatis
mutandis--what transubstanciation is in the Catholic, Episcopal,
Lutheran, and similar Xian confessions: DOGMA!
   It's like a new Torah was discovered, to be added to the Pentatuch,
transforming it into the Hexatuch: _Holocaustia_ . It has become an
ersatz-religion, where anyone who questions any aspect is branded a
"Denier" (because "heretic" is already in use). If you don't profess
the wafer is Christ's body and the wine His blood (in those confes-
sions cited), you are a "heretic." If you take exception to the number
6,000,000, you are a "Denier," which is the same as heretic.
   So Irving is vilified because balks at the 6,000,000 number. So,
too, are the Russian/Soviet and Polish governments, the Int. Red
Cross, and others--but they're not so subject to The Power of the
Purse as St. Martin's Press is.

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322b4461.26477969@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com 
>(George Lehmann) writes:
>
>
>>All well and good, Shriker, but can you name any OTHER group, where if
>>the same (rather tame, as I see it) innuendos ...
>
>Well, yes, but we know your vision is, well, pretty bad, George -- you look at 
>David Irving and you think you see a reknowned historian.
>
>Is it the drinking, or just Alzheimer's?  


Ignore arguments and concentrate on a little _ad hominum_, eh Joel?
Actually, it's neither. It's from listening to "Hava Nagila" too many
                  times. -- U.M.

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"Just remember, anything ordered in a Chinese restaurant is kosher!"
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Shriker <"shriker@concentric.net"@concentric.net> wrote:

>Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:
>
>[snip]
>> The commentary in question -- published as personal opinion, not that of
>> the newspaper, as all my many commentaries were -- can be easily
>> synopsized. I pointed out the high percentage of Jews among Clinton's
>> appointees, hardly representative of his stated goal to have an
>> administration that "looks like America"; wondered how this may affect
>> American foreign policy towards Israel; and (and this was the part that
>> brought in the big guns against us) ventured the opinion that this facet
>> of the Clinton administration was being deliberately obscured by a
>> Jewish-dominated American media establishment.
>> 
>> You'd think I'd written a glowing reconsideration of "Mein Kampf." My
>> editor's phone started jumping off her desk. Sales reps were screamed at
>> and thrown from premises by red-faced merchants who had previously
>> described us an asset to the community. One of the more prominent Jewish
>> businessmen in the area wrote the editor a venomous letter (specifying,
>> of course, that is was NOT for publication) telling her, "You can't say
>> whether or not you're an anti-semite. Only WE can decide that."
>> 
>> Do you think the surrounding media establishment came to the defense of
>> one of their own embattled members as the pot began to boil beyond the
>> boundaries of Portage County, Ohio? That perhaps they'd defend the First
>> Amendment right of a 12-year-old mainstream newspaper to publish
>> controversial opinion articles? Think again.
>> 
>
>Well, I see why you got in trouble for that commentary, my friend.  If
>you want to do a story about "Jewish Media Conspiracy", write one and
>try to get it published as one.
>  
>But if you are asking the legitimate and somewhat relevant question about 
>religious balance in the cabinet and its possible effect on U.S. foreign 
>policy, questions that are not often asked in the media for various 
>reasons, then try not to demolish your credibility by dropping in a 
>non-credible conspiracy theory at the end.  That only identifies you, 
>wrongly or not, as an anti-semite with a megaphone. So far, I have to 
>agree with your detractors on this one.
>
>[snip]
>> Jerry the Jew[snip]
>
>Your problems with Jerry and the Jewish community of Omaha stems from
>your attack on them in print.  This is a natural reaction from any group, 
>especially a paranoid minority group whose leaders are Holocaust 
>survivors.  American society does not tolerate people who target 
>any ethnic or religious groups for attack, so you were out of line as a 
>journalist with standards to uphold. 
>
> 
>> In other senses, not least the sacrifice of a good newspaper on the altar
>> of Jewish sensibilities, it was a tragedy. Not for me: it's virtually
>> certain that despite fifteen years of some pretty good journalism on my
>> part, I'll never work again for a "respectable" journal, but given the
>> litmus tests and the rules imposed by them, who would want to? If
>> anything, my experience in fifteen years in the field has been one of
>> progressive distaste for it, and in that sentiment at least I join a
>> growing number of Americans. Unfortunately, most readers and television
>> viewers will probably continue to be guided by a thirst for entertainment
>> and stimulation despite their stated disgust for the mainstream media.
>> But there's no doubt that awareness of the true nature and agenda of
>> America's "mainstream," i.e., Jewish, media is growing, and perhaps
>> we can take a page from the Chosen Ones themselves when it comes to the
>> retribution a committed and aligned minority can impose.
>>
>> written by Jack Killey
>> posted by Kevin Alfred Strom
>
>So you are saying essentially, "Look what they did to me; they are such 
>bad people"  But the truth is, you _wanted_ to tweak them, bait them
>and get a reaction from them.  And so you did, and attracted the 
>attention of some very determined defenders of their community.  
>Actually, I am kind of proud of them, because they were not complacent 
>when it comes to threats to their community.  Maybe some people _can_ 
>learn from history.
>
>Shriker.

All well and good, Shriker, but can you name any OTHER group, where if
the same (rather tame, as I see it) innuendos had been made, the news-
paper would have been destroyed by The Power of the Purse?

Hispanics?
Negroes?
Homosexuals?
any other religion?
any other ethnic group?
ANYBODY ELSE?

Well, the Jews have more "solidarity" than anyone else. There we are
in perfect agreement. The Jew has but one allegiance: his "Chosen"
status. Flags come and go, empires rise and fall, a few _goyim_ are
given titular status as "righteous," but the basic allegiance is to no
secular authority (among some Jews, not even Israel!). The allegiance
is to the mythos, and "the Enemy" is anyone who does not bow down
before the mythos. That's the difference, _mon vieux_.

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>Here's a clue, courtesy of the Nizkor archive:
>
>"Two of this later books, Accident: The Death of General Sikorski (London: W. 
>Kimber,1967), and The Destruction of Convoy PQ 17 (New York: Simon and 
>Schuster, 1969), prompted legal action. Irving lost BOTH [my emphasis.  JR] 
>cases and had to pay damages and costs of about #45,000 in the libel suit on 
>Convoy PQ 17. "
>
>From The Holocaust and the Historians by Lucy Dawidowicz
>
Later than what? Irving was born in 1938. His first foray into
historical writing didn't occur until 1964, with a book on the
destruction of Dresden.

Strange that all these experts running around with advanced
degrees from Debased U. in "Holocaust Studies" didn't ask the Russian
government, or weren't invited by the Russian government, to examine
Goebbel's diaries (and decipher the one-time propaganda minister's
handwriting). 

Perhaps Irving has trouble finding a publisher, because most firms
don't like their warehouses torched--as was done to IHR's by the
Kosher Storm Troopers. Call it "the Deir Yassin syndrome."

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>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
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>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
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As I understand it, Capricorne, the book is currently being PRINTED in
the U.K. and shipped to the U.S. for sale.

Don't you find it MORE than a little strange that Irving "damaged" the
plates beyond repair, and there HAS BEEN NO COMPLAINT FROM
THE RUSSIANS? This is what The Nizkorites would have you believe:

1.	The Russian government allowed a no-account fraud access to
	perhaps THE most significant document as to the inside workings
	of the Nazi régime.

2.	Nobody else got copies of them, and the Russian authorities didn't
	even make copies of them. "Here Mr. Fraud and Known Distorter of
	Historical Fact are the SOLE COPIES of Josef Goebbel's diaries.
	Do treat them with care, as we have bothered to make back-ups."
		-- Official Curator of the Russian Archives.

3.	This "notorious fraud" now proceeds to damage the plates "beyond
	repair" and there's narry a peep from the the Russians. Who alle-
	gates this? Deborah Lipstadt, whose quote greets an arrival at 
	Nizkor's portals: "the truth is fragile, reason alone will not
	protect it." Is that the viewpoint of an historian, or a Defender
	of the Faith. Is it a RATIONAL statement, or a RELIGIOUS view?

4.	Where does this allegation that Irving "damaged the plates beyond
	repair" occur? In _History Today_? _Newsweek_? Here we have the
	most valuable source material about one of the most important
	figures being _intnetionally_ damaged, as where is this informa-
	tion made known? In a footnote in a book by Deborah Lipstadt.
	(Obviously the Russian authorities were too embarrassed by their
	giving access to a "charlatan" to such material to make a fuss
	it's being "damaged beyond repair."

5.	Does Prof. Lipstadt say anything else in her book _Denying the
	Holocaust?_ Indeed she does! [paraphrased] She explicitly states
	that no Denier is to be allow access to any forum, academic or
	otherwise to present their evidence. Particularly, they are not
	be allowed any access to the mass-media (like having a book
	published and given adequate distribution). Nor, under any circum-
	stances are Affirmers (i.e. the orthodox) to debate the Deniers
	(i.e. the heretics). THAT is what Deborah Lipstadt states in her
	PUBLISHED tome _Denying the Holocaust_. Reason will not
	protect the truth? How about LYING? Will that protect it?

6.	Where the $500 million suit by the Russians against David Irving
	for damaging this material beyond repair?

It seems that Holocaustomania has entered The Twilight Zone.

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      "Ursus Major"


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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>Brian Harmon  wrote:
>
>>Ursus Major wrote:
>>> 
>>> joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>>> 
>>> >Here's a clue, courtesy of the Nizkor archive:
>>> >
>>> >"Two of this later books, Accident: The Death of General Sikorski (London: W.
>>> >Kimber,1967), and The Destruction of Convoy PQ 17 (New York: Simon and
>>> >Schuster, 1969), prompted legal action. Irving lost BOTH [my emphasis.  JR]
>>> >cases and had to pay damages and costs of about #45,000 in the libel suit on
>>> >Convoy PQ 17. "
>>> >
>>> >From The Holocaust and the Historians by Lucy Dawidowicz
>>> >
>>> Later than what? Irving was born in 1938. His first foray into
>>> historical writing didn't occur until 1964, with a book on the
>>> destruction of Dresden.
>
>>My, my, aren't we playing fast and loose with the dates.
>
>Well, I try to with *my* dates...oh, you were talking about something
>else....please continue.
>
>>Tell me, if his first book was written in 1964, and he
>> was sued for books written in 1967 and 1969, are these
>> two books later or earlier than the first one?
>> 
>>> Perhaps Irving has trouble finding a publisher, because most firms
>>> don't like their warehouses torched--as was done to IHR's by the
>>> Kosher Storm Troopers. Call it "the Deir Yassin syndrome."
>
>>Oh please. How do you know the IHR 'warehouse' wasn't
>> torched as an insurance swindle?  You've got the same
>> amount of evidence (none) for either notion.
>
>Keep in mind, as well, that Carto v. IHR is still being prosecuted in
>Southern California (AFAIK) about damages lost in that fire to Mr.
>Carto, professional anti-Semite and founder of the IHR.
>
As you well know, Andy, the IHR has no connection, indeed SEVERED
all connections with Carto BECAUSE of Carto's anti-Semitism. You have
cited a legal action where Carto is suing the IHR. Do you call atten-
tion to that FACT? Do you believe in fair play and honest dealing? Is
this the type of action you and others of your ilk were "Chosen" to
promote? And you wonder why there is anti-Semitism in the world!

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <50ia3q$c9k@jerry.loop.net> goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) writes:
>
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) took a fat hit off a pipe and
>>wrote:
>
>>>>Netiquette is a farce used by those who wish to control the net for
>>>>their own gain, as is evident here since Ursus Major's (whoever) post
>>>>is cancelled, while Rosenberg's is not.
>
>>>Ah.  So the ZOG agents used secret J-beams and forced George to cancel his 
>>>post, eh?
>
>>>Oh, George, George Lehmann:   time to change the aluminum foil on your 
>>>colander.
>
>>Hmm - I'm not sure what you're saying here, but it seems to be sarcasm
>>in an effort to duck the question: what is the presence of censorship
>>here?
>
>>Your replies reveal your bias and dissonance to truth -- seems
>>problematic for someone playing net_dogmatist, Joel.
>
>>GOAT
>
>
>I think you missed the point.  If George's post was cancelled, either 
>
>a) he did it himself, (and as far as a quick Reference.com scan can determine, 
>he did it so that there was no evidence of cancellation in the appropriate 
>control group); 
>
>or
>
>b) somebody forged a cancel from him, but did it in a way that doesn't have 
>George up on his two legs screaming bloody murder for haveing been censored,
>
>or 
>
>c) it wasn't cancelled, and you're an idiot.
>
>c) would seem to be the most likely.  What do you think?

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED A POST I'VE MADE,
THAT SEVERAL POSTS I HAVE MADE HAVE FAILED TO MATERIALIZE,
AND THAT I WOULD NOT CANCEL A POST I'D MADE. IF I CHANGED MY
POSTION, I WOULD POST A RETRACTION. TO MAKE IT QUITE CLEAR
==> I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED ANYTHING & MORE THAN ONE
        POST I HAVE MADE HAS FAILED TO MATERIALIZE <==

YOU TAKE IT FROM THERE!
George J. Lehmann aka "Ursus Major"

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      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322b7ab4.40385089@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>Subject: Re: Why David Irving may have some difficulty finding a publisher
>>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 00:33:55 GMT
>
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>
>>>Here's a clue, courtesy of the Nizkor archive:
>>>
>>>"Two of this later books, Accident: The Death of General Sikorski (London: W. 
>>>Kimber,1967), and The Destruction of Convoy PQ 17 (New York: Simon and 
>>>Schuster, 1969), prompted legal action. Irving lost BOTH [my emphasis.  JR] 
>>>cases and had to pay damages and costs of about #45,000 in the libel suit on 
>>>Convoy PQ 17. "
>>>
>>>From The Holocaust and the Historians by Lucy Dawidowicz
>>>
>>Later than what? Irving was born in 1938. His first foray into
>>historical writing didn't occur until 1964, with a book on the
>>destruction of Dresden.
>
> His first book, The Destruction of Dresden (London: W. Kimber, 1963), 
>caused a sensation by its accusation that the Anglo-American raids on Dresden 
>in February 1945 constituted a major war atrocity. Irving's book, which 
>exaggerated threefold the number of deaths that actually occurred and made 
>unfounded charges about Allied actions, has since been refuted. 

The initial number of casualties given my the Allies was purposely
distored to an absurdly low number. It was based on the minimum number
of actual residents; however, the city was swollen with refugees flee-
ing the Red Army and Allied POWs. (As an Open City, it was supposed to
be immune to air raids; therefore, POWs could be sequestered there in
accord with the Geneva Convention.

Are you saying that the destruction of an Open City, resulting in a
(current) estimate of well over 100,000 fatalities is not a major
atrocity? For further clarification, why don't you ask Kurt Vonnegut?
He was one of the POWs--one of the few who servived. (Those FIENDS:
sending him to work on a street car. MONSTERS!) Check out _Slaughter-
house Five_ if you bother to read anything using the Roman alphabet.

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      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322d8ea9.18574975@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING, HISTORIAN, TO SPEAK IN NEWPORT BEACH, CA 7-SEPT
>>Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 14:34:17 GMT
>
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

A complete exposé of his techniques, for which one should be grateful.
I am ... and now, like Hercule Poirot, let us _analyse_ this post.
>
>>>In article <322cdc9e.65530468@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com 
>>>(George Lehmann, hiding ineptly behind the nom-de-bigotry of Ursus Major) 
>>>writes:
Notice the use of the gratuitous vilification. I prefer the
nom-de-plume of Ursus Major. What's cowardly about that?
Only it isn't a "nom-de-plume" is a "non-de-bigotry": the little
warm-up act for the big-time vilification to come.
>>>
>>>>5.      Does Prof. Lipstadt say anything else in her book _Denying the
>>>>        Holocaust?_ Indeed she does! [paraphrased]

Notice how everything paraphrased has been cut out without even a
"snip." Joel would rather NOT repeat the material. Too thought pro-
voking (all of this was taken from another post on another thread).
This makes the THIRD Catefory Rosenberg has created about me,
basically using material taken from other topics. The NewsGroup
is nationalism.white, not fan.george.lehmann.ursus.major.

>>>Yeah, George, you paraphrased.
>>>
>>>And inaccurately.  Now try quoting out of context, libel, and continue your 
>>>pattern of non sequitur and mincing around the issues, and you, too, can be a 
>>>Reknowned Historian, sanctioned by the Soviet Government, just like your hero, 
>>>David Irving.
  
In case you haven't heard, Joel, there is no SOVIET government. It
closed up shop in '89. The Thread from which you stole this material
had to do with the _extremely_ unlikely circumstances of Irving "in-
tentionally damaging beyond repair" the sole set of photplates of
Goebbels' diaries in Russian posession--AND THE RUSSIANS
NOT SAYING A WORD ABOUT IT! The whole farcial claim of Lip-
stadt, produced as a scenario--to show how absurd it was--you
removed. Do you give the reader any indication you've tampered
with my text? Is there a single "snip" by you ANYWHERE to be found.
Pray continue, Mr. Integrity!

>
>>Yes, Joel, and you've done a splendid job in addressing the issues!
>
>You don't have any issues, George, just flummery.  You postulate -- despite 
>mountains of evidence to the contrary -- that Holocaust denial is a serious 
>academic controversy about which reasonable people can disagree, and then fume 
>and fret and whine when people don't use your postulate as a starting point.  
>There's no more point in me discussing your "issues", any more than there is  
>in debating Copernicus with a member of the Flat Earth Society.

That doesn't seem to be the universal consensus around here. "Goat"
kept sufficient interest in my posts to notice one was gone--or so it
seems, and when he backed you sufficiently into a corner you could not
get out of, it was "Welcome to my kill file!" (I'm taking my ball and
going home.) I have "no issues"? Why are you so prone to mutilate my
text, removing those questions you find IMPOSSIBLE to answer and still
maintain an orthodox position--with narry a snip? 


>And the fact that David Irving -- selective quoter, bigot, evader, 
>twice-proven-libeler -- is the best excuse for a historian that you folks can 
>put up is just another pebble in that mountain of evidence.  

As we shall see, Joel, nearly all of the epithets you hurl at Irving
apply to YOU. A bit of patience, the best is yet to come.

>The "issues" you raise, such as they are, have long since been addressed, and 
>thoroughly debunked.  

Which says exactly WHAT? Nothing! What issue has been raised and
debunked? The one about the Auschwitz Museum getting rid of the mem-
orial to the Four Million Who Died and replacing it with another to
the One Million Who Died. Oh yes, you "debunked" that by inferring the
Polish government is anti-Semitic!

Maybe the Russian government made narry a peep about Irving rendering 
the one-and-only copy of Goebbels' diaries unusable, because it too is
anti-Semitic. Well, all we have to do is simply redefine the term
"anti-Semitic": it used to mean "someone who disliked Jews," but now
it means, "anyone who disagrees with Nizkor for any reason."
      Presto-Chango!

>
>
>I think Lipstadt put it well, if gently:  
>
>(from the Nizkor site -- and isn't it inconvenient for you, George, that all 
>this stuff is available online, so anybody with a web browser can find out 
>what liars and idiots you folks are?):

Suddenly I've become a plural? I can assure you that the views I
express are mine and mine alone. Any similarity to views expressed
by others is probably due to one thing: _hard, factual evidence_!

>   ...
>
>   Familiar with historical evidence, [Irving] bends it until it
>   conforms with his ideological leanings and political agenda. A man
>   who is convinced that Britain's great decline was accelerated by
>   its decision to go to war with Germany, he is most facile at taking
>   accurate information and shaping it to conform to his conclusions.
>   A review of his recent book, `Churchill's War,` which appeared in
>   the 'New York Review of Books,' accurately analyzed his practice of
>   applying a double standard to evidence. He demands 'absolute
>   documentary proof' when it comes to proving the Germans guilty, but
>   he relies on highly circumstantial evidence to condemn the Allies.
>   <114> This is an accurate description not only of Irving's tactics,
>   but of those of deniers in general." (Lipstadt, 179-181)

Here we have Lipstadt's critique of David Irving. A simple look at a
1939 world map would show that the British Empire was rather extensive
prior to WWII and the look at a current world map would show that it's
non-existent (once Hong Kong goes back). I haven't read Irvings book,
so I can comment on it. But I would say the Germans were highly moti-
vated in ending the war with Britain. Rudolf Hess, in a desperate bid
to stop the fratricidal slaughter, parachuted into Britain. Hess
was Deputy Führer! That not unlike the Vice-President of the U.S.
parachuting into Japan, in an effort to end the war. Have you ever
considered that?

Then, after decrying that there's no merit at all to Irving's work,
the bizarre statement is made that "this is an accurate description
not only of Irving's tactics, but those of deniers in general."

What is that supposed to mean, other than a pronunciemento by the
High Priestess that anyone who disagrees with "orthodoxy" is guilty
of all vilifications attributed--and none of which she has proved?

The message appears to be, "Don't mess with Debbie-or else!" Not very 
"gentle" as I see it.

>And as to the rest of you:
>(Again, from Lipstadt) 

No no, Joel! There was a WHOLE scenario involving the "damaged" plates
and MORE which you removed, including the Infamous Interdict!

>   Not ignoring the deniers does not mean engaging them in discussion
>   or debate. In fact, it means _not_ doing that. We cannot debate
>   them for two reasons, one strategic and the other tactical. As we
>   have repeatedly seen, the deniers long to be considered the 'other'
>   side.  [George just aches to have that happen.  JR]
>
>   Engaging them in discussion makes them exactly that. Second,
>   they are contemptuous of the very tools that shape any honest
>   debate: truth and reason. Debating them would be like trying to
>   nail a glob of jelly to the wall.

AND THERE WE HAVE IT! Of course one cannot "debate": Holocaustomania
is an ersatz-religion! How do you debate a RELIGION? Do you debate the
virginity of Christ's mother with a Christian or a Muslim? The Talmud
may state that Christ was the bastard son of a Jewess named Miriam and
a member of the Roman army named "Panthera" (which was wonderfully
spoofed in _The Life of Brian_), but one can't _debate_ the topic. You
can't put a Christian bishop and a Talmudic scholar on a podium and
a "debate" consisting the one saying, "He was a bastard!" / "No, he
wasn't. That's blasphmy! / "No it's not, it's Talmudic truth"!
 That's no debate. And if you put a Muslim on the dias, he call them
both wrong: "It isn't true, but it isn't blasphemy." So no debate is
possible if the topic's a RELIGION. That's what we're dealing with.

>   Though we cannot directly engage them, there is something we can
>   do. Those who care not just about Jewish history or the history of
>   the Holocaust but about truth in all its forms, must function as
>   canaries in the mine once did, to guard against the spread of
>   noxious fumes. We must vigilantly stand watch against an
>   increasingly nimble enemy. But unlike the canary, we must not sit
>   silently by waiting to expire so that others will be warned of the
>   danger.. When we witness assaults on truth, our response must be
>   strong, though neither polemical nor emotional. We must educate the
>   broader public and academe about this threat and its historical and
>   ideological roots. We must expose these people for what they are.

Which is, of course, those who DARE to base conclusions on hard fact
and fact alone: level of HCn in "gas chambers," the amount of coke
required to cremate the number of bodies in question. (The human body
is not very combustible. It's 80+% water, which doesn't burn, and the
calcium compounds forming the bones are quite resistant. It takes a
lot of energy to cremate a cadaver.) The fly-by photos taken of the
complex, indicating a scale of operation nowhere near that contained
in the Canonical Version.

And anyone who disagrees with the DOGMA is (supply the epithets,
you've got DRAWERS filled with them).

>   The effort will not be pleasant. Those who take on this task will
>   sometimes feel -- as I often did in the course of writing this work
>   -- as if they are being forced to _prove_ what they know as fact.
>   Those of us who make scholarship our vocation and avocation dream
>   of spending our time charting new paths, opening new vistas, and
>   offering new perspectives on some aspect of the truth. We seek to
>   discover, not to defend. We did not train in our respective fields
>   in order to stand like watchmen and women on the Rhine. Yet this is
>   what we must do. We do so in order to expose falsehood and hate. We
>   will remain every vigilant so that the most precious tools of our
>   trade and our society -- truth and reason -- can prevail. The
>   still, small voices of millions cry out to us from the ground
>   demanding that we do no less." (Lipstadt, 221-222)
>
> 
>Gee, George, I'd wonder why you paraphrased her so inaccurately instead of 
>quoting her accurately . . . 

I didn't paraphrase her inaccurately at all. I'm simply left our the
rhethoric, designed to inspire the Zealots and providing not one
iota of INFORMATION. That's what a paraphrase is: cutting out the
non-essentials and getting to the essentials. The essential is one
can't debate religious tenets. The rest is just preaching to the
faithful. The whole essence of Lipstadt's diatribe is contained in one
expression: "_We seek to discover, not to defend._" It's a Sealed
Book, dogma not open to question, Holy Writ. In short:
                                            Holocaustomania!

>. . . if I didn't already know.

You know what you left OUT, Joel. How "Deniers" (i.e. anyone who takes
exception to the Dogma) is to be accorded NO FORUM to present their
"heretical" material: neither public nor academic, and ABOVE ALL, no
access to the MASS MEDIA. That, like the whole preposterous allega-
tion that Irving would deface the only copy extant, and the Russians
say nothing about it, was LEFT OUT!

Won't work, Joel. The evidence keeps mounting and mounting that the
Canonical Version is flawed. The stone in front of Auschwitz drops the
figure 80%. Poor Jean-Claude Pressac ends up making a fool of himself.
You start lashing out in every direction. Irving's a fraud, I'm a nut
case, the Poles are anti-Semites, the ... but it still won't work.

It wasn't tanks and guns which broke up the Soviet Empire (do remember
it's no longer "Soviet," Joel; it makes you look very foolish to refer
to what isn't--even if that is your natural inclination).
It was SAMIZDAT that destroyed the Soviet Empire. It was the ceaseless
insistence on knowing the truth which finally brought it down. The
real emphasis should be a common-cause movement of, O.K., let's
get at the Truth; and then we can go on stopping horrible things from
happing again and again--like Biafra, like Zanzibar, like Deir Yassin.
   No one "denies" the vile, vicious, inhuman acts committed against
human beings simply because they were Jewish. The disagreement
comes as to the numbers involved, and really more importantly the
defiant commandeering of the word "THE" as opposed to the more
correct "A." The little "TM" after the word holocaust has to come
down. The vilification you revel in is merely an indication of this
great resevoir of HATE you have inside you. You would have LOVED to
have seen Berlin turned into a parking lot? That the same poison which
infected the _Einsatzkommandos_.  Is THAT the tradition you strive to
preserve? As Nietzsche commented, "When you look into the Abyss, the
Abyss looks into you." 

There follows your myriad of website, for those interested. I only
have an e-mail address--and a passion for the Truth. GJL-UM.
>
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.



From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 09:13:13 PDT 1996
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <50ia3q$c9k@jerry.loop.net> goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) writes:
>
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) took a fat hit off a pipe and
>>wrote:
>
>>>>Netiquette is a farce used by those who wish to control the net for
>>>>their own gain, as is evident here since Ursus Major's (whoever) post
>>>>is cancelled, while Rosenberg's is not.
>
>>>Ah.  So the ZOG agents used secret J-beams and forced George to cancel his 
>>>post, eh?
>
>>>Oh, George, George Lehmann:   time to change the aluminum foil on your 
>>>colander.
>
>>Hmm - I'm not sure what you're saying here, but it seems to be sarcasm
>>in an effort to duck the question: what is the presence of censorship
>>here?
>
>>Your replies reveal your bias and dissonance to truth -- seems
>>problematic for someone playing net_dogmatist, Joel.
>
>>GOAT
>
>
>I think you missed the point.  If George's post was cancelled, either 
>
>a) he did it himself, (and as far as a quick Reference.com scan can determine, 
>he did it so that there was no evidence of cancellation in the appropriate 
>control group); 
>
>or
>
>b) somebody forged a cancel from him, but did it in a way that doesn't have 
>George up on his two legs screaming bloody murder for haveing been censored,
>
>or 
>
>c) it wasn't cancelled, and you're an idiot.
>
>c) would seem to be the most likely.  What do you think?

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED A POST I'VE MADE,
THAT SEVERAL POSTS I HAVE MADE HAVE FAILED TO MATERIALIZE,
AND THAT I WOULD NOT CANCEL A POST I'D MADE. IF I CHANGED MY
POSTION, I WOULD POST A RETRACTION. TO MAKE IT QUITE CLEAR
==> I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED ANYTHING & MORE THAN ONE
        POST I HAVE MADE HAS FAILED TO MATERIALIZE <==

YOU TAKE IT FROM THERE!
George J. Lehmann aka "Ursus Major"

====================================================================


MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 09:13:14 PDT 1996
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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
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mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:

>We heard that Nizkor has its hands full with some of their people starting to 
>believe the Revisionist material they were assigned to debunk. Apparently 
>they can't and are beginning to have some doubts about the party-line 
>promoted by the Holocausters.
>
>Ian McKinney
>
>
This comes as a surprise, but not a shocking one.

Despite what anti-Semite may say, Jews are human beings, and the
natural inclination among humans is to go for the Light: the Truth.

Holocaustomania has reached the point were one can only believe
in the Canonical Version if they transform it into a religion. I can
see Jews not willing to abandon their religion for a cult they find
to be manifestly false. Holocaustomania reminds me of that false
messiah (the name escapes me), whom may Jews followed in the
17th [?] century. Despite being hailed by huge numbers, he turned
out to be a fake, and became a Muslim. (Name starts with an S?)

Hope your reporting is accurate!

==================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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Ken_Lewis@basicly.portal.ca wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 01:28:19 GMT, ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>wrote:
>
>
>>Are you saying that the destruction of an Open City, resulting in a
>>(current) estimate of well over 100,000 fatalities is not a major
>>atrocity? For further clarification, why don't you ask Kurt Vonnegut?
>
>The "(current) estimate of well over 100,000 fatalities" is cited only
>by Irving and is an exageration by 3 fold. It has since been shown to
>be totally false.

I beg to differ with you. There was actually a presentation (one would

normally call it a Memorial Service) commemerating the 50th anniver-
sary of "The European Hiroshima." It was carried by CNN (perhaps
others, but CNN was one). There were film clips of the 8,000 bombers
attacking the defenseless city. That's what greatly compounds the
attrocity: Dresden was a declated Open City. As Open Cities are
supposed to be exempt from bombardment, it was totally in accord
with the Geneva Convention to house POWs there. (POWs may not
be housed in a war zone.)  There was a panel discussion about this,
consisting of a historians, theoretical experts on International law,
etc. (No, David Irving was not part of the panel. These were all aca-
demics.) It was a consensus that the number initially given out by the
Allies--and it should be noted that the enormity of the crime produced
speeches in the British Parliament condemning it--were far lower that
the actual number of fatalities. (About 35,000 was the figure the
Allies felt "comfortable with.") Even during the war, the Swedes and
Swiss placed the number far higher.
   As I stated earlier, and was pointed out during the CNN discussion,
the population of Dresden was greatly swollen by an unknown number
of refugees and a number of POWs (far smaller). The estimates of the
panelists was that 35,000 was absurdly low. That no one would ever
know the exact number but ABOUT 100,000 seemed accurate. (Some
estimates ran as high as 135,000.)
	It should be noted that Irving completely revised his book on
Dresden. His initial investigation indicated personal decision had
mandated it. His later researches (in 1962, not nearly as much mater-
ial was readily available about WWII as there is today) indicated that
it was a victim of "the machine": a bureaucratic monstrosity created
to destroy as much as possible. Just destruction for destruction's
sake. What was movable had been moved as a general precaution.
Much of the art work disappeared into Soviet hands, never to reappear.
Some was eventually restored. The 32c "Love" stamp currently in use
features an angel from Raphael's Sistine Madonna, which is one of the
works that was saved. How ironic that the U.S. would chose a figure
>from  a painting which, save for prudence, would have been lost in that
holocaust to supply the figure for its general issue "Love" stamp.

===================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:
>
>>In article <322e40cb.13159700@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, ursus_m@ix.netcom.com
>>(Ursus Major) wrote:
>
>>> There's no paranoia on my part. Goat noticed a post was gone
>>> and commented on it. I didn't. mainly because I usually purge off
>>> posts I've read. I wouldn't know it was gone.
>
>>In other words, you said:
>
>>> >>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED A POST I'VE MADE,
>>> >>>THAT SEVERAL POSTS I HAVE MADE HAVE FAILED TO MATERIALIZE,
>>> >>>AND THAT I WOULD NOT CANCEL A POST I'D MADE. IF I CHANGED MY
>>> >>>POSTION, I WOULD POST A RETRACTION. TO MAKE IT QUITE CLEAR
>>> >>>==> I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED ANYTHING & MORE THAN ONE
>>> >>>        POST I HAVE MADE HAS FAILED TO MATERIALIZE <==
>
>>Bit about how the entity posting as "goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER)" is
>>a credible friend, whereas Joel Rosenberg is just an obnoxious troller
>>prone to obscenity, deleted because if I laugh any harder, my lungs will
>>burst.
>
>Funny claim.  Yucky imagery.
>
>
>Andrew

More than that, Andrew, it's a total non-sequitor.
1) A reader states one of my posts has been pulled.
2) I know nothing about it, because Free-Agent will purge
     my files when the data-base is compacted.
3) Back comes the accusation that, if it was cancelled, I did it.
4) I wanted it known that I've never cancelled a post. (In fact,
     I don't know how to cancel a post--not even my own.) If
     I wanted to nullify a post, I would post a retraction. (I guess
     I'm still thinking "print" and not familiar with electronic means
     of activating The Memory Hole.
5) That we see eye-to-eye on this comment being meaningless shows
      rationality on your part--like your private e-mail admonishing
      me to keep my phone # and address unknown. That there were
      JDL "Storm Troppers" not above deploying physical violence,
       actions which you deplore. And "Randy" is NOT an insult. It's a
       British term meaning "sexually aroused." But as you don't like,
       and your private comments on the JDL were the act of an
       _echter Mensch_ (same in Yiddish & German), I don't use even a
       very mild tweek any more.

                     GJL-UM

[now follows the remainder of Andy's post:]

>=================================================================
>
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>
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>
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322f0538.5451965@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>Subject: Re: Why David Irving may have some difficulty finding a publisher
>>Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 17:08:51 GMT
>
>>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>
>>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <322cd6bf.64027665@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus
>>Major) writes:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>As you well know, Andy, the IHR has no connection, indeed SEVERED
>>>>>all connections with Carto BECAUSE of Carto's anti-Semitism.
>>>
>>>>Horseshit, George.  Carto's anti-Semitism was well-known when he and the IHR 
>>>>folks first joined up.   If the IHR was allergic to anti-Semites, they'd be 
>>>>able to hold their national convention in shoebox.  
>>>
>>>Not only that, Joel.  Carto FOUNDED the IHR.  That much is etched in
>>>stone.
>
>>And Thomas Jefferson, arch libertarian and isolationist, founded the
>>Democratic Party.

[big SNIP by Rosenberg here, so he can gut the message -- but,
to acknowledge tampering with the text would be untypical of JR.]

>Non sequitur.  And actually, he founded the Democratic Republican Party, if I 
>remember correctly.
>
>The notion that the IHR escapes Carto's anti-Semitism because they kicked him 
>out in that famous money-and-power fight is pretty silly.  And the token wacko 
>Jew or two in the IHR doesn't mean much of anything.  

O.K., Joel, put up something PATENTLY ANTI-SEMITIC published by,
distributed by, or even available from IHR!

I'm sure you and the Nizkorites have every shred of every thing
they've ever offered. We're talking about post-Carto. We're talking
about those who WILL NOT condone true anti-Semitism. So if you've
got it, FLAUNT IT!
                                             Otherwise, shaddup!

U.M. - GJL.

[and now back to how you can contact JR via the Internet, FAQs, or
Ouigi-board:]

>---------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.

SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 15:42:17 PDT 1996
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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Is George Lehmann Under ZOG Mind Control, or is goat@anus.com an idiot?
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>
>
>>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED A POST I'VE MADE,
>>>THAT SEVERAL POSTS I HAVE MADE HAVE FAILED TO MATERIALIZE,
>>>AND THAT I WOULD NOT CANCEL A POST I'D MADE. IF I CHANGED MY
>>>POSTION, I WOULD POST A RETRACTION. TO MAKE IT QUITE CLEAR
>>>==> I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED ANYTHING & MORE THAN ONE
>>>        POST I HAVE MADE HAS FAILED TO MATERIALIZE <==
>
>>>YOU TAKE IT FROM THERE!
>>>George J. Lehmann aka "Ursus Major"
>
>>Cancelled posts appear in DejaNews, along with who cancelled them.
>
>>Seems proof is just a few clicks away...
>
>
>There you have it, though, George's demonstration of the Revisionazi method 
>-- shout and bang on the table and scream consipiracy when lying doesn't work. 
>
>Research?  Bah, humbug.  Eh, George?  
>   
Not at all, Joel: a candid admission that you are much more computer-
literite that I. I haven't the slightest idea what Deja News is. I do
know that I have received politely worded e-mail informing me that I
have been victimized by a "Troller." I had no idea what the person was
talking about. When it comes to correct use of the subjunctive in sev-
eral languages, I have no problem. When it comes to the instant jargon
created for the Internet, I'm usually at a complete loss. Well, now I
know about Trolls. It seems there are all sorts of classified harass-
ment techniques, which you seem to thrive on.

Your principal tactic is, "Let's avoid the issue and slap-up some rank
insult--but don't make it too obscene, or that may cause trouble."

That's been spotted by so many and is so obvious that it has lost its
impact. It's purpose is to DISTRACT: avoid an obvious omission by
brandishing an insult. You run a series of websites, I don't run any.
That should be an indication as to who has more knowledge as to
the mechanics of this operation. I just know that Forte-Free-Agent
seems to be a very good program for reading newsgroups, and
well worth the registration fee.

There's no paranoia on my part. Goat noticed a post was gone
and commented on it. I didn't. mainly because I usually purge off
posts I've read. I wouldn't know it was gone. I would assume there's
some integrity, but it seems such assumption are an indication of
naïeveté. I don't stoop to your level, Joel. Vilification isn't part
of my MO. So you just go right ahead with your "Writings on a
Public John Wall" techniques. It will end up revealing more about
you than damaging the integrity of those you vilify. People who are
impressed by such techniques are interested in serious discussion
anyway. Those who are possess the ability to see right through your
ploys, as you are dismissed as an "ass hole" (as children say now-
adays). The ones you are able to sufficiently provoke to respond in
kind, had been rethink their position. Eventually, the flamer is con-
sumed in his own fire--but you do screw up some otherwise serious
discussion. Execeedingly bad manners. Not that it's going to have
an effect on your MO. Your inherent vulgarity seems built-in.

====================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 15:42:18 PDT 1996
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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>
>>In article <322cd6bf.64027665@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>
>>>>
>>>As you well know, Andy, the IHR has no connection, indeed SEVERED
>>>all connections with Carto BECAUSE of Carto's anti-Semitism.
>
>>Horseshit, George.  Carto's anti-Semitism was well-known when he and the IHR 
>>folks first joined up.   If the IHR was allergic to anti-Semites, they'd be 
>>able to hold their national convention in shoebox.  
>
>Not only that, Joel.  Carto FOUNDED the IHR.  That much is etched in
>stone.

And Thomas Jefferson, arch libertarian and isolationist, founded the
Democratic Party. There are any number of people associated with the
IHR for whom anti-Semitism (_qua_ anti-Semitism) is anathema. Samuel
Kunkin, a Jewish professor at Cal St. Univ. Long Beach being a very
active member of the IHR and contributor to their journal. There's
David Cole and a number of Jews. For the record, I'm not connected in
anyway with IHR. I've bought some books and tapes not available from
any other source: i.e. The AR Convention, featuring Rabbi Meyer
Schiller. I've never seen anything offered by IHR that's patently
anti-Semitic. I think Carto has started another venture--Liberty Bell?
--to wallow in his penchant. That's his business.

But when you come across patently anti-Semitic material offered
by the IHR, why don't you slap it up? That way people--INCLUDING
ME!--could see they're patently anti-Semitic. As you post nothing, it
merely shows this is just another one of your vilifications: accuse,
accuse, accuse, but NEVER prove!

        Case stated ... now we'll go back to Andy's post and his
         Thought for the Day [?]  -- U.M.-GJL.

>Andrew
>
>=================================================================
>
>What's new with Frente?--http://www.nj.com/maxwells/july96/frente.html
>
>The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous--http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608
>
>"Peyno derech Hashem"
>--Yeshayahu 40:3
>



From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 15:52:07 PDT 1996
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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism
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fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:

>rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote:
>
>>In article <322e40cb.13159700@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, ursus_m@ix.netcom.com
>>(Ursus Major) wrote:
>
>>> There's no paranoia on my part. Goat noticed a post was gone
>>> and commented on it. I didn't. mainly because I usually purge off
>>> posts I've read. I wouldn't know it was gone.
>
>>In other words, you said:
>
>>> >>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED A POST I'VE MADE,
>>> >>>THAT SEVERAL POSTS I HAVE MADE HAVE FAILED TO MATERIALIZE,
>>> >>>AND THAT I WOULD NOT CANCEL A POST I'D MADE. IF I CHANGED MY
>>> >>>POSTION, I WOULD POST A RETRACTION. TO MAKE IT QUITE CLEAR
>>> >>>==> I HAVE NEVER CANCELLED ANYTHING & MORE THAN ONE
>>> >>>        POST I HAVE MADE HAS FAILED TO MATERIALIZE <==
>
>>Bit about how the entity posting as "goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER)" is
>>a credible friend, whereas Joel Rosenberg is just an obnoxious troller
>>prone to obscenity, deleted because if I laugh any harder, my lungs will
>>burst.
>
>Funny claim.  Yucky imagery.
>
>
>Andrew

More than that, Andrew, it's a total non-sequitor.
1) A reader states one of my posts has been pulled.
2) I know nothing about it, because Free-Agent will purge
     my files when the data-base is compacted.
3) Back comes the accusation that, if it was cancelled, I did it.
4) I wanted it known that I've never cancelled a post. (In fact,
     I don't know how to cancel a post--not even my own.) If
     I wanted to nullify a post, I would post a retraction. (I guess
     I'm still thinking "print" and not familiar with electronic means
     of activating The Memory Hole.
5) That we see eye-to-eye on this comment being meaningless shows
      rationality on your part--like your private e-mail admonishing
      me to keep my phone # and address unknown. That there were
      JDL "Storm Troppers" not above deploying physical violence,
       actions which you deplore. And "Randy" is NOT an insult. It's a
       British term meaning "sexually aroused." But as you don't like,
       and your private comments on the JDL were the act of an
       _echter Mensch_ (same in Yiddish & German), I don't use even a
       very mild tweek any more.

                     GJL-UM

[now follows the remainder of Andy's post:]

>=================================================================
>
>What's new with Frente?--http://www.nj.com/maxwells/july96/frente.html
>
>The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous--http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608
>
>"Peyno derech Hashem"
>--Yeshayahu 40:3
>



From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep  5 15:52:12 PDT 1996
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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism.
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>Oh, George?  George J. Lehmann, the one who has the unlisted phone number and 
>therefore can't possibly be the one who lives at the Alta Lomita apartments in 
>Alta Loma?
>
>George, I can't seem to find it -- I guess the invisible Zionist gremlins have 
>made it vanish, too -- but you did say that it was going to take you a 
>two-hour drive to get to see your favorite excuse for a "reknowned 
>historian", David Irving.
>
>Why not stay overnight with that other George J. Lehmann, the one who isn't 
>you (he's got a listed number, and you're impossible to find) in Alta Loma.
>
>Then...
>
>... you'd just take route 30 eight miles east toward San Bernadino.  Turn 
>right onto I15, go 19 miles south.  At Corona, turn off onto the Riverside 
>Freeway, drive 18 miles to Yorba Linda.  Hang a left onto 55 -- in about 
>eighteen miles, you'll be in Newport Beach.  With decent traffic, you 
>shouldn't have to spend more than a hour, hour-and-a-half on the road.
>
>Now, if you need instructions as to how to get from his apartment in Alta 
>Loma -- pretty dingy place, no? -- to Route 30, just ask.  Always glad to help.
>
>Oh, and would you please change the aluminum foil on that colander you wear on 
>your head to try to keep the Z-rays out?  It's getting too easy.  
>

Am I becoming your personal _bête-noir_, Joel ...
or are you just trying to wreck the NewsGroups?

GJL-UM

(for a course on advanced fixative behavior, try the cites below)
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.



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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>Oh, George?  George J. Lehmann, the one who has the unlisted phone number and 
>therefore can't possibly be the one who lives at the Alta Lomita apartments in 
>Alta Loma?
>
>George, I can't seem to find it -- I guess the invisible Zionist gremlins have 
>made it vanish, too -- but you did say that it was going to take you a 
>two-hour drive to get to see your favorite excuse for a "reknowned 
>historian", David Irving.
>
>Why not stay overnight with that other George J. Lehmann, the one who isn't 
>you (he's got a listed number, and you're impossible to find) in Alta Loma.
>
>Then...
>
>... you'd just take route 30 eight miles east toward San Bernadino.  Turn 
>right onto I15, go 19 miles south.  At Corona, turn off onto the Riverside 
>Freeway, drive 18 miles to Yorba Linda.  Hang a left onto 55 -- in about 
>eighteen miles, you'll be in Newport Beach.  With decent traffic, you 
>shouldn't have to spend more than a hour, hour-and-a-half on the road.
>
>Now, if you need instructions as to how to get from his apartment in Alta 
>Loma -- pretty dingy place, no? -- to Route 30, just ask.  Always glad to help.
>
>Oh, and would you please change the aluminum foil on that colander you wear on 
>your head to try to keep the Z-rays out?  It's getting too easy.  
>

Am I becoming your personal _bête-noir_, Joel ...
or are you just trying to wreck the NewsGroups?

GJL-UM

(for a course on advanced fixative behavior, try the cites below)
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.



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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322cdc9e.65530468@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com 
>(George Lehmann, hiding ineptly behind the nom-de-bigotry of Ursus Major) 
>writes:
>
>>5.      Does Prof. Lipstadt say anything else in her book _Denying the
>>        Holocaust?_ Indeed she does! [paraphrased]
>
>Yeah, George, you paraphrased.
>
>And inaccurately.  Now try quoting out of context, libel, and continue your 
>pattern of non sequitur and mincing around the issues, and you, too, can be a 
>Reknowned Historian, sanctioned by the Soviet Government, just like your hero, 
>David Irving.  

Yes, Joel, and you've done a splendid job in addressing the issues!
     But when one is discussing religious dogma, he doesn't address
the issues, does he? Does one tell a Mormon that the Indians were in
America long before the Kingdom of Israel was overthrown and vanished?
That there are remains of Indians from the La Brea Tar Pits which
predate the Assyrians by thousands of years? Do you think it have the
slightest impression?
   Does one tell a Jew that the Egyptian records of the 19th and 20th
dynasties are very complete and that no pharoah nor his army perished
in the Red Sea, that the myth probably stems from an Egyptian VICTORY
at Kadesh, where the Egyptians under Ramses II drove the enemy into
the Orontes River, where a great many did drown, and the King of
Kadesh barely escaped with his life? Would it make any difference?

   As usual, you make sweeping denunciations, totally ignoring the
obvious FACTS of the post you're responding to, and then come
up with a blanket vilification:

Just keep wallowing in Crimethink!

Joel, just to bring you up to date, there IS no Soviet government. The
Empire imploded, just like your Myth has. You're now left with simply
a religious canon, and a temple masquerading as a museum.

=====================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>Oh, and George?  If you want a more complete listing of revisionazi sites on 
>the net, check out: 
>
>http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/guides/hateweb/revision.html
>
>You'll be glad you did.
>
>Really.

No, Joel, I don't want a URL. I want YOU to post RIGHT HERE anti-
Semitic material published by the post-Carto IHR, so that the open-
minded reader can determine whether or not it is anti-Semitic. You
see, I don't believe that disagreeing with Deborah Lipstadt is _ipso
facto_ anti-Semitic. I believe that vilifying the Jewish people as a
whole for no other reason than their religion is anti-Semitic. To
disagree with Simon Wiesenthal is not anti-Semitic. If it were, Debor-
lipstadt would be an anti-Semite, because Simon Wiesenthal wrote that
the Nazi (supply the epithet of your choice) made soap from Jewish
cadavers, and Ms. Lipstadt, in a letter to the L.A. Times said, no
that didn't happen. I don't think even you, Joel, would call either of
those individuals "anti-Semites," but they obviously are not in agree-
ment. So post the material published by the IHR which YOU deem to
be anti-Semitic, then let the reader judge whether it is, indeed,
anti-Semitic.

	And just for the record, Joel, I have nothing to do with the IHR.
I don't work for them, I'm not affiliated with them in any way. I have
purchased some books and tapes from them and that's all. And I
have never seen anything offered by them, nor read in any one of
their journals (which a friend subscribes to, but I don't), which I
would call anti-Semitic: attacking one or more individuals solely be-
cause of his Jewish religion. If you've got proof I'm wrong--and I
haven't bought that much from them--show it. Put it up. Let others
decide whether it's anti-Semitic as THEY understand the term.

Or, as I admonished before .... shaddup!

U.M.-GJL

[How YOU can contact Joel ... if you're not in his "kill" file:]
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.



From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep  6 07:43:16 PDT 1996
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goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote:

>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) took a fat hit off a pipe and
>wrote:
>
>>Why do you call him a "historian?"  Do you mean that in a technical sense, or 
>>do you mean that in the same sense that, say, somebody might call a psychic 
>>surgeon a doctor?  
>
>I am not implying anything through the use of the term historian other
>than he is someone who studies history.  
>
>>>What's the
>>>gig with his writings on Dresden?  And why is this text continually
>>>unavailable?
>
>>Unavailable?  Where is it unavailable?  At your 711?  One quick search of 
>>just *one* online bookstore gives the following listing for Irving's books:
>
>>Churchill's War; David Irving; Paperback; $11.65
>
>>Goring : A Biography; David Irving; Paperback; $11.65
>
>>Hitler's War; David Irving; Paperback; $12.60
>
>>Los Diarios Secretos Del Medico De Hitler; David Irving; Paperback; $11.10 (Special Order)
>
>What about the book recently mentioned, about Goebbels?  
>
>>>Joel Rosenberg: Did the parties in question, whether in your
>>>estimation for good or ill, censor the work in question?
>
>>Which parties in what question?  I guess the answer would have to be no, 
>>because his books clearly are easily available, see above.
>
>These seem to be the tamer topics he has generated.  What about the
>new book, that is allegedly censored?
>
>I am asking questions, not engaging in your politically-biased
>polemic.
>
>GOAT

As Mr. Rosenberg declines to answer your legitimate question, Goat,
I'll answer it for you. David Irving had a contract with St. Martin's
Press, a well-established firm which routinely publishes controversial
material (for example, they published James Bacque's exposé of
Eisenhower's death camps, _Other Losses_). Naturally, Mr. Rosenberg
will fuss and fume (nu? what else is?) about _Other Losses_, but
that's not the issue here. The issue is that it was "a done deal" that
St. Martin's WOULD publish Irving's biography of Goebbels, based on
Goebbels' diaries, which the Russians had made available to him.
   If you're at all familiar with the mandate handed down by Deborah
Lipstadt, you know that the Faithful of Holocaustomania are to prevent
access to any forum, ESPECIALLY ACCESS TO MASS MEDIA, like major book
publishers to Crimethinkers (all sorts of epithets available here,
chose which ever you like: "heretic, denier, neo-crypto-Nazi ... " the
list is endless. They call themselves "Revisionists," which is the one
name the Faithful (who prefer to be known as "Affirmers") will not
use. (That's just to clarify why you'll never see the word "Revi-
sionist" [you should bite your tongue!] in one of Mr. Rosenberg's
posts.) Now, back at St. Martin's ...
   When the word got out that a publisher with major distribution out-
lets was going to publish Irving's book, the whole Holocaustomania
College of Censors descended on the firm and let them know that if
they did, they'd be put out of business. Oh, it wasn't PHRASED that
way, of course, but one can get the picture and get it FAST when "the
saints go marchin' in!" The statement was that David Irving's book
doesn't _deserve_ to be published. Hmmm, you go down to your local
"Adult" bookstore and you'll find _Naked Cub Scouts Run Amok_ (or some
thing equally "tasteful" deserves to be published--but David Irving's
book on Goebbels does not DESERVE to be published. (You've read all
the epithets they've heaped on him. Child molestation, dealing in
crack, and a few others aren't there--very few.) St. Martin's is "per-
suaded" to cancel its agreement with Irving. In lieu of another book
on Goebbels? No, just--well--"persuaded."

BUT NONE DARE CALL IT CENSORSHIP!

======================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote:

>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) took a fat hit off a pipe and
>wrote:
>
>>Why do you call him a "historian?"  Do you mean that in a technical sense, or 
>>do you mean that in the same sense that, say, somebody might call a psychic 
>>surgeon a doctor?  
>
>I am not implying anything through the use of the term historian other
>than he is someone who studies history.  
>
>>>What's the
>>>gig with his writings on Dresden?  And why is this text continually
>>>unavailable?
>
>>Unavailable?  Where is it unavailable?  At your 711?  One quick search of 
>>just *one* online bookstore gives the following listing for Irving's books:
>
>>Churchill's War; David Irving; Paperback; $11.65
>
>>Goring : A Biography; David Irving; Paperback; $11.65
>
>>Hitler's War; David Irving; Paperback; $12.60
>
>>Los Diarios Secretos Del Medico De Hitler; David Irving; Paperback; $11.10 (Special Order)
>
>What about the book recently mentioned, about Goebbels?  
>
>>>Joel Rosenberg: Did the parties in question, whether in your
>>>estimation for good or ill, censor the work in question?
>
>>Which parties in what question?  I guess the answer would have to be no, 
>>because his books clearly are easily available, see above.
>
>These seem to be the tamer topics he has generated.  What about the
>new book, that is allegedly censored?
>
>I am asking questions, not engaging in your politically-biased
>polemic.
>
>GOAT

As Mr. Rosenberg declines to answer your legitimate question, Goat,
I'll answer it for you. David Irving had a contract with St. Martin's
Press, a well-established firm which routinely publishes controversial
material (for example, they published James Bacque's exposé of
Eisenhower's death camps, _Other Losses_). Naturally, Mr. Rosenberg
will fuss and fume (nu? what else is?) about _Other Losses_, but
that's not the issue here. The issue is that it was "a done deal" that
St. Martin's WOULD publish Irving's biography of Goebbels, based on
Goebbels' diaries, which the Russians had made available to him.
   If you're at all familiar with the mandate handed down by Deborah
Lipstadt, you know that the Faithful of Holocaustomania are to prevent
access to any forum, ESPECIALLY ACCESS TO MASS MEDIA, like major book
publishers to Crimethinkers (all sorts of epithets available here,
chose which ever you like: "heretic, denier, neo-crypto-Nazi ... " the
list is endless. They call themselves "Revisionists," which is the one
name the Faithful (who prefer to be known as "Affirmers") will not
use. (That's just to clarify why you'll never see the word "Revi-
sionist" [you should bite your tongue!] in one of Mr. Rosenberg's
posts.) Now, back at St. Martin's ...
   When the word got out that a publisher with major distribution out-
lets was going to publish Irving's book, the whole Holocaustomania
College of Censors descended on the firm and let them know that if
they did, they'd be put out of business. Oh, it wasn't PHRASED that
way, of course, but one can get the picture and get it FAST when "the
saints go marchin' in!" The statement was that David Irving's book
doesn't _deserve_ to be published. Hmmm, you go down to your local
"Adult" bookstore and you'll find _Naked Cub Scouts Run Amok_ (or some
thing equally "tasteful" deserves to be published--but David Irving's
book on Goebbels does not DESERVE to be published. (You've read all
the epithets they've heaped on him. Child molestation, dealing in
crack, and a few others aren't there--very few.) St. Martin's is "per-
suaded" to cancel its agreement with Irving. In lieu of another book
on Goebbels? No, just--well--"persuaded."

BUT NONE DARE CALL IT CENSORSHIP!

======================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322fce2b.39127141@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>Subject: Re: Why David Irving may have some difficulty finding a publisher
>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 07:34:22 GMT
>
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>
>>>Oh, and George?  If you want a more complete listing of revisionazi sites on 
>>>the net, check out: 
>>>
>>>http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/guides/hateweb/revision.html
>>>
>>>You'll be glad you did.
>>>
>>>Really.
>
>>No, Joel, I don't want a URL.
>
>I know, George -- but that's what you get. 

Yes, I know Joel, and we both know why: because there IS no
material an unbiased person would label anti-Semitic, and if
you were to put up anything, you be sued faster than you can
say "Simon Wiesenthal" for libel--as no one but a True Believer
would call it anti-Semitic, and so you hand out URLs to cover
your Tushie, and avoid nasty little things--like subpenas!

Rather transparent! Someone as well school in the Art of Deception
as you should be able to come up with something better.

Looks like that takes care of the matter--and we can go on to other
things.  U.M.-GJL.
============================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322fc615.37056304@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>
>
>>BUT NONE DARE CALL IT CENSORSHIP!
>
>None with any brains, George, because it isn't.  The folks at St. Martin's -- 
>Tor, by the way, the publisher I'm working on a book for, is a subsidiary of 
>them -- has a reputation for publishing decent, well-researched, honest 
>historical works, and -- let's face it -- that doesn't describe Irving.  
>
>That's not just a matter of opinion, George; Irving's been proven a libeler in 
>two separate incidents.  
>
>The IHR is certainly still free to publish his book.  Or CODOH.   Or 
>Loompanics.  Or you.  
>
>And you're still free to run around with an aluminum-foil-covered colander on 
>your head shouting about Zrays warping your brain.
>
>Free country, nicht wahr?  

Gee, Joel, I'm amazed to read that you call _Other Losses_ "a decent,
well-researched honest historical work," because it was published by
St. Martin's Press. That's not how you (or the Nizkorites) generally
refer to James Bacque's work.

And I noticed you preferred NOT to comment on the command issued by
the High Priestess that "heretics" were to be denied ANY forum,
especially, access to the mass-media.

And I noticed you preferred NOT to comment on the fact that the Rus-
sian government gave access to the photoplates of Goebbels' diaries to
Irving--and Irving alone--despite his being a "rank amateur." Can any-
one check them out--you know, like _Denying the Holocaust_ at any
major library? And I noticed you preferred NOT to comment that Irving
spent seven years working on deciphering the plates. What a dedicated
amateur! And, of course, that you preferred NOT to comment that there
was, indeed, a "done deal" about publishing the book--until the
Thought Police arrived, and St. Martin's was "persuaded to change
its mind." Narry a word about ANY of those FACTS--but its nice you've
"revised" your opinion on Bacque's book. Does that make you a
Revisionist?

Why, of course, St. Martin's was "persuaded" to cancel a done-deal.
It's usually easy to persuade people to stay in business ...

                                   BUT NONE DARE CALL IT CENSORSHIP!

[and here's how YOU can contact Joel for "Just the facts, ma'am!"]
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.



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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322fce2b.39127141@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>
>
>>[How YOU can contact Joel ... if you're not in his "kill" file:]
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>>>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>>>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>>>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.
>
>Even if you're in my filter file, George -- and you certainly are -- and even 
>if you're in my killfile (relax, George, being in my killfile wouldn't  
>mean I was going to kill you -- it just means that my newsreader would filter 
>out your messages) those URLs above are world-readable.  

The contents of your kill file are really your concern; however, it
was rather absurd for you to send me personal e-mail with an addenum
of "Don't bother to respond: you're in my kill-file, so I won't be
reading any answer. Sorry."

But then absurd things are your stock and trade, _n'est pas_?

U.M.-GJL.


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And now, Gentle Reader (as Shakespeare might have begun), we shall see
how Mr. Rosenthal came up with the title, _Rose Valley's Guide to The
High Art of Inventing Allegations to Suit All Occassions--Even
When Totally Irrelevant_

[a SNIP here as to how the Institute for Historical Revision axed the
very rich Mr. Carto for being anti-Semitic, how Rose Valley (well,
it's better than "Loretta"!) said that meant "pooh"! and that Rose
Valley is able to turn a post for one thread into a seperate thread --
but let's go on to the MEAT (inspected, of course) of the topic.]

Ursus Major wrote:

>>O.K., Joel, put up something PATENTLY ANTI-SEMITIC published by,
>>distributed by, or even available from IHR!
>
>>I'm sure you and the Nizkorites have every shred of every thing
>>they've ever offered. We're talking about post-Carto. We're talking
>>about those who WILL NOT condone true anti-Semitism. So if you've
>>got it, FLAUNT IT!
>>                                             Otherwise, shaddup!

Rose Valley's retort:
>George, George, George -- does this sort of stuff really fly in Alta Loma? 
>
>Check out http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/pamphlets/pamphlets.html
>
>Or don't.  I'm sure YOU won't find anything you'll agree is anti-Semitic 
>there, but I'm sure anybody sane would.  

That was not the gambit: YOU put up material from IHR which is anti-
Semitic. You claim they are. You show it ... or go back to the Cabala!

>From Nizkor:

Oh, now THERE's the most unbiased source going! You'd probably get a
more balanced view from Arafat on property rights in Jerusalem, than
you would from the Nizkorites on anything remotely concerned with
anti-Semitic material. (Has the "Jew's harp" been classified as a
"hate toy"--yet?)


[U.M.-GJL is asking about anti-Semitic material from IHR. Rose Valley
has introduced one "Greg Raven," upon whom he will focus. Why isn't
this called "Rose Valley Exposes Greg Raven"? Perhaps you think I'm
Greg Raven--or would like others to do so?]

>Mr. Raven is the Associate Editor of the Journal of Historical Review. He 
>also recently became the president of the Institute for Historical Review, 
>according to material mailed out by the IHR, though, interestingly, he denies  
>that this is so. 

Which means what about IHR publishing anti-Semitic material?

>The IHR is the world's most prominent organization devoted to the denial of 
>the Holocaust. (Note that the Institute for Historical Review is not the 
>well-known University of London institution, the Institute of Historical    
>Research.) 

I thought that distinction went to Ernst Zundel? As far as I know, IHR
sells books, tapes, etc. For example, the _American Renaissance_
convention, with Rabbi Schiller's speech on the need for racial dis-
engagement is sold by IHR. What does that have to do with Revisionism?
Furthermore, what does historical revision have to do with
anti-Semitism -- or are we getting close to your "private definition"?

>*Despite the fact that the Institute for Historical Review writes Mr. 
>Raven's paychecks;

Are paychecks anti-Semitic? BOY, ARE THERE A LOT OF ANTI-SEMITES!

>*despite the fact that his email address is ihrgreg;
>
>*despite the fact that his Usenet sig contains an advertisement for the IHR;
>
>*despite the fact that the IHR has identified spreading its propaganda via 
>the Internet as one of its top few priorities for 1995;
>
> *and despite the fact that the IHR has sent a letter to its members asking 
>for donations so that Mr. Raven may continue his efforts on the Web 
>
>...Mr. Raven still claims that his Web site is his "personal 'spare-time' 
>project," not an official site for the IHR.

Uhhh ... where's the anti-Semitic material from IHR?

>  Since we are providing a link to 
>his site from our site, we think it only fair that he return the favor. If the 
>deniers are indeed only trying to allow people to "hear both sides of the 
>story," they would not be afraid to do so.

I HATE to be pushy, but Rose Valley is hardly the one to lecture on
fair-play! Still all of this is IRRELEVANT: where are the anti-Semitic
goodies from IHR?

>
>However, our many efforts to establish a single link to Nizkor from 
>Raven's site have been ignored.
>
>End of quote from Nizkor...
>
>You'll also find, on the IHR page, the following:  
>
>"If you find material on this Web site that is untrue, please tell me and I 
>will change it. If you find material on this Website that is racist or 
>hateful, please tell me and I will remove it."

It seems exceedingly strange that IHR would use the first person
singular for a publishing house. I haven't seen any of these sites,
but if Rose Valley says it's so--and we know we're dealing with
Integrity Personified--it seems to me they need a new editor.

The quote cited--which is the only quote we've been accorded from
anything or anybody allegedly even CONNECTED with IHR--doesn't seem
anti-Semitic to me, quite the opposite actually.

>And if you believe that . . . you're even more of a fool than I think you are, 
>George, and that'd be something, eh?

It would be something for you to come up with ONE PIECE OF ANTI-
SEMITIC MATERIAL PUBLISHED BY IHR. You've danced around the
issues, you pointed hither and yon--but you've produced NOTHING!

You've merely given us allegations from Nizkor and your personal
opinion that said Greg Raven is lying--but you can't even come up with
anti-Semitic material from Greg Raven, let alone IHR. Indeed, you
cannot produce one shred of hard evidence of any sort from any of the
people, institutions, organizations YOU libel as "anti-Semitic"!
All you can do is brand someone an "idiot" who might put credence in a
statement that racist or hate-engendering material is not welcome on a
website. If you ran the website, you'd have some grounds!

    ROSE VALLEY, WHEN IT COMES TO DECEIPT, NO ONE COMPARES WITH YOU!

You're in a class all by yourself!

>
>>U.M. - GJL.
[sorry, no websites: simply an individual who can spot a defamer and
libeler all the way from ... (oh, but then Andrew admonished me NOT to
put that in!)]


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:07 PDT 1996
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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Why does George Lehmann keep making a fool out of himself?  Inquiring minds, and all that...
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libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote:

>Ursus Major (ursus_m@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: Rose Valley's retort:
>: >George, George, George -- does this sort of stuff really fly in Alta Loma? 
>: >
>: >Check out http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg/pamphlets/pamphlets.html
>: >
>: >Or don't.  I'm sure YOU won't find anything you'll agree is anti-Semitic 
>: >there, but I'm sure anybody sane would.  
>: 
>: That was not the gambit: YOU put up material from IHR which is anti-
>: Semitic. You claim they are. You show it ... or go back to the Cabala!
>
>George, George, George--you really shouldn't make antisemitic remarks
>while you're trying to prove you're not an antisemite.

What in the world is anti-Semitic about that? If one were a Muslim and
the reference were to a Ouiga-board, or a Gypsy and it was the Tarot,
would it be anything other than mere wry humor? Knock it off, you've
obviously never read Patrick Dennis. A little humor, Willem,
it will do wonders for you--almost like a high-fibre diet!


>Bill
=================

SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep  7 09:23:08 PDT 1996
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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: George J. Lehmann gets another simple lesson on the nature of URLs and WWW pages
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <3230564b.3338011@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>
>>>Even if you're in my filter file, George -- and you certainly are -- and 
>>>if you're in my killfile (relax, George, being in my killfile wouldn't  
>>>mean I was going to kill you -- it just means that my newsreader would filter 
>>>out your messages) those URLs above are world-readable.  
>
>>The contents of your kill file are really your concern; however, it
>>was rather absurd for you to send me personal e-mail with an addenum
>>of "Don't bother to respond: you're in my kill-file, so I won't be
>>reading any answer. Sorry."
>
>Not really, George.  That was my autoresponder, sending out the same file it 
>would have sent anybody else in my filter-out-the-idiots file -- nothing 
>personal intended, you drooling idiot, you.  
>
>And if you sent me more than one message, you got that message each time.  
>
>(I frankly don't know, George; see, as the message says, your email was 
>autodeleted, unread.)  
>
>Glad to give another lesson, George, although if this keeps up, I'm really 
>going to have to start charging.  

Charging for what, lies? You give those for free. To put the record
correctly, YOU sent me the e-mail, followed another e-mail saying
"Don't respond, you're in my kill-file." It was, of course, absurd,
but coming from Monty Rosa, what else would one expect?

========================================================
MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The IHR is an antisemitic organization.  George Lehmann is an antisemite, and a coward who folds when called.  And the Grand Canyon appears largish when viewed from certain angles.
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <3230d654.3382940@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>Subject: Re: The IHR is an antisemitic organization.  George Lehmann is an
>>antisemite.  And the Grand Canyon appears largish when viewed from certain
>>angles.
>>Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 02:00:05 GMT
>
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>
>>>In article <3230534b.2569611@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus
>>Major) writes:
>>>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>>>Subject: Re: Why David Irving may have some difficulty finding a publisher
>>>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:45:53 GMT
>>>
>>>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>In article <322fce2b.39127141@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com
>>(Ursus
>>>>Major) writes:
>>>>>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Why David Irving may have some difficulty finding a publisher
>>>>>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 07:34:22 GMT
>>>>>
>>>>>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh, and George?  If you want a more complete listing of revisionazi sites
>>on 
>>>>>>>the net, check out: 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/guides/hateweb/revision.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You'll be glad you did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Really.
>>>>>
>>>>>>No, Joel, I don't want a URL.
>>>>>
>>>>>I know, George -- but that's what you get. 
>>>
>>>>Yes, I know Joel, and we both know why: 
>>>
>>>Yes, we do, George.  Because I'm not about to jump through hoops for you.
>>>
>>>[drivel about me being afraid of a lawsuit deleted]
>>>
>>>Okay, let's try this:  "The IHR is an antisemitic organization.  Greg Raven, 
>>>its President, is an antisemite.  You're an antisemite, too, George."  Let 
>>>them sue and be damned and bankrupted.  You, too, George J. Lehmann.
>>>
>>>Andy, Ken, you want to explain to George that we've been through this before?  
>>>
>>>Let's see, I'd rather we do the depositions in the US Virgin Islands this 
>>>time, if that can be arranged.  February okay with you, George?  It's on you, 
>>>after all.  Anybody else care to get in on the lawsuit?  The vacation 
>>>is on George J. Lehmann this time . . .
>
>>I've got better things to do with my time: 
>
>Now pull the other one, coward.  I called your bluff.  You going to show your 
>cards or just whine?
>
>>the name is Lehmann, not
>
>Nah.  Your name is mud.   Your name is braggart and bluffer.  Your name is 
>coward.  Your name is George J. Lehmann -- and that means coward, and bluffer 
>and braggart.
>
>And bozo.
>
>>Mermelstein. Your vitriol doesn't bother me in the least. You do need
>>some new material, however, because not only are you a pathological
>>liar--you're also a bore.
>
>But you said that I was afraid to come out and call you and your buddies 
>antisemites for fear of being sued.  And I've done it, quite specifically:  I 
>say that you're an antisemite, George J. Lehmann.  So is the IHR.  So is Greg 
>Raven.  So was Adolf Hitler.   
>
>And instead of this threatened lawsuit, you puff up your chest and try to 
>change the subject, eh?  Why not just admit that you -- like your friends at 
>the IHR -- can't afford to sue for, well, definition (that's DEFINITION, 
>George, read it again) of character, since I've accurately defined your 
>miserable, antisemitic character?
>
>Have a nice day, George.  And do try bluffing again.  It helps to expose you 
>for what you are.  
>
What other people choose to do it their business, Mony Rosa, not mine.
You've issued your pronouciemento against Greg Raven:

	1)	He puts up a notice on his website saying Hate speech not
		allowed! If found, please report at once; it will be removed.

	2)	You claim that's a lie (of course you CLAIM everything's a
		lie, if it doesn't have Deborah Lipstadt's "Nihil Obstat"
		affixed) -- but then you can't produce ONE EXAMPLE of
		"hate speech" from Raven's site, from the IHR site --
		from anywhere!

	3)	All you can do is wallow in insults: the hallmark of unlet-
		tered trash: a circumsized Metzgerite! Feh! There's a word
		for you, Monty Rosa, and the word is _Shmuck_!

========================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: Trouble for Nizkor - A Mutiny?
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <322e6ed4.24944957@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>Subject: Re: Trouble for Nizkor - A Mutiny?
>>Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 06:18:55 GMT
>
>>mckinney@usaor.net (Ian McKinney) wrote:
>
>>>We heard that Nizkor has its hands full with some of their people starting to 
>>>believe the Revisionist material they were assigned to debunk. Apparently 
>>>they can't and are beginning to have some doubts about the party-line 
>>>promoted by the Holocausters.
>>>
>>>Ian McKinney
>>>
>>>
>>This comes as a surprise, but not a shocking one.
>
>I think you fell for yet another troll, George.
>
>Now, about that boot full of piss . . .

Well, I'd suggest you wash them and let them dry out before
    donnying them for a remake of "Buck Benny Rides Again."

    t-t-that's all, folks!           U.M.-GJL.

there follows Joel's pathway to Rosenberg's (Joel's, not Alfred's!)
Mission Control!
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0380973227/joelrosenbergA/
>...and for the last bit of geekitry:  to receive the latest version of my FAQ, 
>send me a message with the phrase "your FAQ" anywhere in the subject line.



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AVE, CAPRICORNE!

	You're right: it can't be covered up indefinately, if such is in-
deed the case. SOMEONE will talk, if only because it will make him
an instant millionaire. The fact that it would make someone an instant
millionaire is the argument which mitigates AGAINST it. There are too
many involved in the firing of a missile, and if within a very brief
period, a jumbo-jet turns into a jumbo-fireball, more than one person
is going to come to the conclusion that it was Uncle Fuck-Up run amok.
   Blowing the lid on that would be better than winning the Lotto. I
don't see how it COULD have been kept under wraps. But it is a
fascinating premise--and something plausible had better turn up soon.

=======================================================

SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <3230534b.2569611@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>Subject: Re: Why David Irving may have some difficulty finding a publisher
>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:45:53 GMT
>
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>
>>>In article <322fce2b.39127141@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus
>>Major) writes:
>>>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>>>Subject: Re: Why David Irving may have some difficulty finding a publisher
>>>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 07:34:22 GMT
>>>
>>>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Oh, and George?  If you want a more complete listing of revisionazi sites on 
>>>>>the net, check out: 
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/guides/hateweb/revision.html
>>>>>
>>>>>You'll be glad you did.
>>>>>
>>>>>Really.
>>>
>>>>No, Joel, I don't want a URL.
>>>
>>>I know, George -- but that's what you get. 
>
>>Yes, I know Joel, and we both know why: 
>
>Yes, we do, George.  Because I'm not about to jump through hoops for you.
>
>[drivel about me being afraid of a lawsuit deleted]
>
>Okay, let's try this:  "The IHR is an antisemitic organization.  Greg Raven, 
>its President, is an antisemite.  You're an antisemite, too, George."  Let 
>them sue and be damned and bankrupted.  You, too, George J. Lehmann.
>
>Andy, Ken, you want to explain to George that we've been through this before?  
>
>Let's see, I'd rather we do the depositions in the US Virgin Islands this 
>time, if that can be arranged.  February okay with you, George?  It's on you, 
>after all.  Anybody else care to get in on the lawsuit?  The vacation 
>is on George J. Lehmann this time . . .

I've got better things to do with my time: the name is Lehmann, not
Mermelstein. Your vitriol doesn't bother me in the least. You do need
some new material, however, because not only are you a pathological
liar--you're also a bore.

========================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <3230534b.2569611@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>Subject: Re: Why David Irving may have some difficulty finding a publisher
>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:45:53 GMT
>
>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>
>>>In article <322fce2b.39127141@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus
>>Major) writes:
>>>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>>>Subject: Re: Why David Irving may have some difficulty finding a publisher
>>>>Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 07:34:22 GMT
>>>
>>>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Oh, and George?  If you want a more complete listing of revisionazi sites on 
>>>>>the net, check out: 
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/guides/hateweb/revision.html
>>>>>
>>>>>You'll be glad you did.
>>>>>
>>>>>Really.
>>>
>>>>No, Joel, I don't want a URL.
>>>
>>>I know, George -- but that's what you get. 
>
>>Yes, I know Joel, and we both know why: 
>
>Yes, we do, George.  Because I'm not about to jump through hoops for you.
>
>[drivel about me being afraid of a lawsuit deleted]
>
>Okay, let's try this:  "The IHR is an antisemitic organization.  Greg Raven, 
>its President, is an antisemite.  You're an antisemite, too, George."  Let 
>them sue and be damned and bankrupted.  You, too, George J. Lehmann.
>
>Andy, Ken, you want to explain to George that we've been through this before?  
>
>Let's see, I'd rather we do the depositions in the US Virgin Islands this 
>time, if that can be arranged.  February okay with you, George?  It's on you, 
>after all.  Anybody else care to get in on the lawsuit?  The vacation 
>is on George J. Lehmann this time . . .

I've got better things to do with my time: the name is Lehmann, not
Mermelstein. Your vitriol doesn't bother me in the least. You do need
some new material, however, because not only are you a pathological
liar--you're also a bore.

========================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep  8 08:42:01 PDT 1996
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For your information, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has put out
documentation that homosexual behavior has been observed in
something like 120 different mammalian species. It is, of course,
never the prevailing form of sexual activity; but it seems to be a
statistical varient among sheep, cattle, goats, dogs ... and humans.

(The question is not why she went to Hell, the question is why didn't
she stay there? That's obviously where the Xantian nut-cases belong
-- there or doing the heavy cleaning at Nizkor.)

==============================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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For your information, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has put out
documentation that homosexual behavior has been observed in
something like 120 different mammalian species. It is, of course,
never the prevailing form of sexual activity; but it seems to be a
statistical varient among sheep, cattle, goats, dogs ... and humans.

(The question is not why she went to Hell, the question is why didn't
she stay there? That's obviously where the Xantian nut-cases belong
-- there or doing the heavy cleaning at Nizkor.)

==============================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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For your information, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has put out
documentation that homosexual behavior has been observed in
something like 120 different mammalian species. It is, of course,
never the prevailing form of sexual activity; but it seems to be a
statistical varient among sheep, cattle, goats, dogs ... and humans.

(The question is not why she went to Hell, the question is why didn't
she stay there? That's obviously where the Xantian nut-cases belong
-- there or doing the heavy cleaning at Nizkor.)

==============================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep  8 17:23:57 PDT 1996
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As this is a past event, the thread should be removed.

Irving's lecture (which will eventually be available as a video from
IHS), was not of the "book chat" type. He did, however, lay to rest
the absurd allegation that the Goebbel's plates were 1) damaged and
2) that they had not been copied before being entrusted to him. (An
amusing bit about the David Irving Disinformation Bureau.)
3) An amusing aside: England has an established church, the Church of
England; however, freedom of religion is now guaranteed. (It wasn't
always so.) The U.S. Constitution specifically prohibits the estab-
lishment of any religion; however that seems to have been cleaverly
gotten around. (The implication was quite clear, but the British are
masters of the art of the understatement.)

One left the lecture with the distinct impression that it's a shame
someone hasn't introduced The Holocaust Checking Account:
no matter how many "withdrawls" are made, the balance remains
constant at Six Million. Wouldn't that be handy?

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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Subject: Re: The IHR is an antisemitic organization.  George Lehmann is an antisemite, and a coward who folds when called.  And the Grand Canyon appears largish when viewed from certain angles.
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <32314227.1636984@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
Having imbibed his maxim-allotted potion of Elixer of Vitriol,

>>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>>>
>>>Have a nice day, George.  And do try bluffing again.  It helps to expose you 
>>>for what you are.  
>>>
>>What other people choose to do it their business, Mony Rosa, not mine.
>
>And your bluff's still called, you braggart and coward. 
>
>>You've issued your pronouciemento against Greg Raven:
>
>>        1)      He puts up a notice on his website saying Hate speech not
>>                allowed! If found, please report at once; it will be removed.
>
>He also said he'll correct any errors of fact; he hasn't done that, either.  
>
>It's called "lying" and it's part of "not having any integrity", and I'm sure 
>you're familiar with that, being George J. Lehmann and all.  
>
>Get it?
>
>I didn't think so.

Oh, I believe I compehend it sufficiently:

That you're a sink-hole of hatred,
That the anti-Semite who coined the word "kike" had your MO in mind.
That following the dicta of the High Priestess, the issues are never
          to be addressed, only insults proffered in lieu of argument.
That anything you CAN accuse one of, you WILL accuse one of.
That "debating" with you isn't like trying to nail a glob of jelly;
          it's like trying to nail a glob of fecal material.
And that having to stand down-wind from you could be deemed a
         "cruel and unusual punishment."

That I understand quite well!  U.M.-GJL.

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	"When in doubt, shlug da goyim & nemm da gelt!"

			Master Ishmael Rosenberg of Newark



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What Rosenberg, as part of "The Monty Rosa Disinformation Program"
	CHOOSES to omit is 1) this "IHR" act of folly was a Carto stunt.
(A "fair trail" in a ZOG court? Why doesn't Rosenberg crow about how
David Irving was fined by a German court for quoting Dr. Piper, head
of the Auschwitz Museum, and the judge REFUSED to allow Irving to
summon Piper as a witness? Maybe even Nizkor is a bit embarrased over
that. The irony is that one can probably get a fairer trial in Israel
itself, than one of the Occupied Territories.)

The name of this News Group is Nationalism-White, but we see that the
Nizkor Irgun is determined to take over ALL newsgroups to commendeer
them for their own use--mainly villification. So get ready for the
MODERATED version of this NS, to prevent the entire UseNet from being
nothing more than a sounding-board for the Nizkorites.

But thanks to Monty Rosa and his Zealots, we were able to celebrate my
making it into Nizkor's Charmed Magic Megabyte Circle with a bottle of
Korbel Naturale and a recording of Lawrence Welk playing "Hava
Nagila"! == Wunnerful, wunnerful!  U.M.

========================================================
      	"Remember, import doesn't count; compound interest does!"

		...  Exarch Rosenberg at Grossinger's


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You've seen Rosenberg in action. He's been at it for years:
he and his nest (known as "Lipstadt's Tarantulas"), scurring
around the Net, looking for something they can hook on to: a
catch praise or a thread, which can be wrapped in stock in-
sults, avoiding issues or debate, just playing it for an ego-trip,
because he's such a loser. Claims to write "books" --
try finding any at a regular book store. A solopsistic neur-
otic, seething with hatred at his own failures, and finding
an "anti-Semite" lerking in every shadow. Take exception to
the outrageous behavior of the Holohuggers, and Rosenberg,
with the other Trarantulas in tow, will be there to vilify ad
nauseam. It keeps this solopsistic loser busy. Keeps his mind
off his own failings, off his real impotence. Having a little
nest of Trantulas following him around makes him feel impor-
tant, gives him a sense of superiority. But you don't try to
debate Rosenberg, it's like (à la Lipstadt) trying to nail a
piece of fecal matter to the wall.
   Still, don't let Rosenberg's neuroses prod you into anti-
Semitism. (Of course the religion's silly; which one isn't?
It's not at morbid as some.) When becoming exasterated with
"Monty Rosa," think about the Jews who have and are contrib-
uted to the Progress and Glories of Greater European Culture:
-------------------------------------------------------------
Currently, such figures as Daniel Barenboim, James Levine,
Irving Kristol, Noam Choamsky, George Steiner, Rabbi Schiller
-- and a host of others. They're doing it NOW. The Lipstadts
and that set are simply milking the worst pogrom in history
for everything they can get out of it: and getting rich in
the process. (A bizarre Jewish variant of the Jim and Tammy
Baker scam: making religion--or in this case, religious per-
seqution--PAY. You don't think Nizkor runs on food stamps!)

In the past, think of such people as Spinoza (O.K., the Jew-
ish authorities--the Wiesenthals of their day--threw him out
and tried to murder him. Still, he was Jewish by birth; he
transcended the limitations of that condition.), Einstein,
Mahler, Freud, Proust [part], Salk and Sabin ... the list is
huge. (The last two, of course, discovered and improved the
vaccine against polio. That's what I usually remind the yahoo
anti-Semites: "Oh, so you and your kids aren't vaccinated for
polio, because Jews perfected the vaccine?")
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Just as there are skuzz-buckets among Revisionists, trying
to fuel anti-Semitism by sorting out what REALLY happened
(won't work: nothing can excuse the enormity of the crime,
but defiling history to make it appear worse isn't an answer),
so turning history inside-out to preserve the Mythos has kept
the paychecks flowing at Nizkor ... and gives Rosenberg a way
to console himself for being such a LOSER.

But, don't let Joel Rosenberg make an anti-Semite out of YOU!
=============================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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amatthews@cybercom.net (Allan Matthews) wrote:

>In article <32337fc1.35001670@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
>>You've seen Rosenberg in action. He's been at it for years:
>>he and his nest (known as "Lipstadt's Tarantulas"),
>
>Ever notice how George here always seems to refer to jews he does not like in 
>terms of animals - "tarantulas" "Weasels" etc.?
>
>
Sorry to despoil your ignorance, but the translation of "Wiesel" into
English is "Weasel": that's what the word means, like Rosenberg means
"mountain of roses," or "Monty Rosa," as I'm want to use.

Lipstadt's dictum that anyone who takes exception to the Canonical
Version is to be denied ANY access to ANY forum advocating censorship.
Those who crawl around the Web enfocing censorship are rightfully com-
         pared to spiders: especially the tarantella, which is ugly.

>> scurring
>>around the Net, looking for something they can hook on to: a
>>catch praise or a thread, which can be wrapped in stock in-
>>sults, avoiding issues or debate, just playing it for an ego-trip,
>>because he's such a loser. 
>
>Gee, this sounds like you and the other netNazis, George.  

Well, the anti-Semite zelots call be a Jew lover and you call me a
Netnazi. Probably shows I'm right on target.

>>   Still, don't let Rosenberg's neuroses prod you into anti-
>>Semitism. 
>
>You've never needed prodding in this regard George.
>
>>In the past, think of such people as Spinoza (O.K., the Jew-
>>ish authorities--the Wiesenthals of their day--threw him out
>>and tried to murder him. Still, he was Jewish by birth; he
>>transcended the limitations of that condition.),
>
>See George.  Here you go again with anti-jewish insults.  But you're not an 
>anti-semite now, are you?  

No, I'm not. I'm opposed to tarantellas like you, who mangle a text
without a "snip." I wrote that ALL religions were silly, but that Jud-
aism wasn't the worst. Spinoza rising above the absurdities of the
religion isn't an insult at all. It's an absurd religion, there are
worse, and Spinoza rose above the absurdies in his ethnic back-
ground to become a great WHITE EUROPEAN philosopher, who was excom-
municated by the Jewish power-structure of his day, which tried assas-
sinate him. That's history! And some Jews in Israel tried to have the
excommunication ban removed--and were turned down ... which goes to
show that the absurdities linger on.

>>Just as there are skuzz-buckets among Revisionists, trying
>>to fuel anti-Semitism by sorting out what REALLY happened
>
>Here the pot calls the kettle black.
>
>>(won't work: nothing can excuse the enormity of the crime,
>>but defiling history to make it appear worse isn't an answer),
>
>Yes, George, we all know the Holocaust wasn't really all THAT bad now, was 
>it.

It was bad enough, no question about that; but it was A holocaust, not
THE holocaust. You want to make it into a brand-name or put a little
"TM" next to it. When the Polish government reduces the number of
fatalities, from all causes, at Auschwitz by 80%, you retort that the
Poles are anti-Semitic. That's your private definition: "anyone who
takes exception or even looks for verification of the Canonical Fig-
ures is an anti-Semite." You rewrite the language to conform to your
dictum; ergo, you're a grade-A "tarantella"!

>
>>But, don't let Joel Rosenberg make an anti-Semite out of YOU!
>
>I have yet to find anyone in this ng who goes to such lengths as you to say 
>you're not an anti-semite while proving it as they go along.  
>
>You'd be funny if you weren't so pathetic, Georgie minor.

Your "analysis" is great! It simply demonstrates what I wrote:
don't let the alleged churner of penny-dreadfuls turn you into
an anti-Semite. Revoting as the tarantellas might be, there are
legions of other Jews, past and present, who are and were great
contributors to and defenders of European Civilization. Don't let
the holoscuzz detract attention from that fact.

>
>allan
>
>p.s.  at least you didn't call him Norm Chomsky this time.
But I left out George Steiner! That's almost a bad. Hard to find a
more power intellect going than George Steiner!

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:

>ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes about Joel:
>>Claims to write "books" -- try finding any at a regular book store.
>
>	I've seen them here in Dublin - in Hodges Figgis and Waterstones.
>
>	Derek
>-- 
>Derek Bell  dbell@maths.tcd.ie  WWW: http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~dbell/index.html
>	"Donuts - is there _anything_ they can't do?" - Homer Simpson

Well, I did a Library of Congress search and came up with nothing.
Perhaps they don't list pulp-fiction and "penny-dreadfuls." That would
appear to be the field Mr. Rosenberg works in: the Greyhound waiting-
room bookrack equivalent of _Dunes_.

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <511vsl$r5k@bell.maths.tcd.ie> dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) writes:
>>From: dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell)
>>Subject: Re: Don't let Joel Rosenberg make an anti-Semite out of YOU!
>>Date: 9 Sep 1996 21:49:25 +0100
>
>>ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes about Joel:
>>>Claims to write "books" -- try finding any at a regular book store.
>
>>        I've seen them here in Dublin - in Hodges Figgis and Waterstones.
>
>
>George hasn't been in a whole lot of bookstores, except maybe one down at the 
>Bund or the IHR, apparently...

Try finding a reference using the Library of Congress search engine.
It turned up stuff by Alfred, yet [!], but nothing by Joel.

But then maybe they don't bother with pulp fiction and penny-
dreadfuls--and the stuff available only at "Adult" bookstores.

You know as well as I, Mony Rosa, that the internet is notorious for
losing letters--sometimes whole words--from posts. Despite that,
I believe the message comes through intact, even if there are typos
caused by a less than perfect technology.

Now enough wasting your time on NewsGroups, you've got to get back to
work on _Naked Cub Scouts Run Amok_ for the "Adult" trade!

U.M. - GJL

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"Of course it's _sholck_, but if the _shlemiels'_ buy it, write it!"
       From "Monty Rosa's Guide to Aspiring Literatti"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <323478d2.3695408@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>
>
>>Lipstadt's dictum that anyone who takes exception to the Canonical
>>Version is to be denied ANY access to ANY forum advocating censorship.
>
>Verb, George.  You need a verb.  You need a proctologist to clean out your 
>ears, but you need a verb almost as badly.  

What I must need is a new server: whole posts vanish, letters drop off
words and verbs disappear from sentences.

What you need, Mony Rosa, is a new bête-noir. Your letter-bombing
campain failed. (All the way to Holland and Germany for that? The
operators were charmed to receive abuse notification in their native
languages--well, Afrikans for Holland, but it's close enough--and the
exec staff at Netcom is now involved. (It's become SOP in the war to
keep minds closed!)

Maybe you should apply yourself to something more elevated than
penny-dreadful pulp fiction. How about a history of the Deir Yassin
massacre? The Library of Congress might see fit to register that.

Now, back to a rewrite of the Barzoom tales with you!

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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Speaking in So. California, as part of his U.S. tour, David Irving
dismissed the allegations that the photoplates of Goebbels'
diaries were damaged while in his possession as "total rubbish."
Mr. Irving pointed out that if there were a shred of truth to such a
preposterous allegation, the curators of the Russian State Archives
(which prepared a complete duplicate of the 1700 glass plates as a
precaution against any damage in transit or from other causes) would
have been the first to protest. They made no protest, because it never
happened. In seven years of extensive work on this unique inside view
of the Hitler regime, the glass plates sustained no meaningful damage
whatsoever. (This allegation, it appears, is only to be found in Deb-
orash Lipstadt's _Denying the Holocaust_: a manifesto to prevent any
scientific investigations which might lead to questioning the "Credo"
of a now entrenched ersatz-religion, which also has its a very well-
funded Inqusition in place.)

Mr. Irving explained that the prime focus of the "Inquisitors" has
been to deny access to major news channels for the enormous amount
of scientific evidence which refutes the "Dogmatic Version." He also
called attention to the tactic of instantly labelling those engaged in
reconciling history and fact as "anti-Semites" or "neo-Nazis" as being
derived from the tactics of the Stalinists, who used expressions like
"counter-revolutionary" and "reactionary" with equal abandon. Like
other mainline Revisionists, David Irving has never denied the enorm-
ity of the anti-Jewish pogrom which occurred during WWII. He has, how-
ever, been lead "by evidence they will move heaven and earth to re-
press" been led to label the numbers of Jews, who died as a result of
intentional homocide to be "grossly overstated."

Mr. Irving will be speaking in several U.S. cities, before returning
to Britain and devoting his energies to exposing this iron-fisted
attempt to rewrite history in order to secure a "trade mark" for one
atrocity amid a myriad of atrocities.

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <3234d47c.27161016@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>
>
>>Well, I did a Library of Congress search and came up with nothing.
>
>Liar.  And provably so:
>
>From the LOCIS (that's Library of Congress Information Search, or something 
>like that):
>
>                                (DESCENDING ORDER)                     
>1. 96-24232:Rosenberg, Joel.  The silver stone /.  New York, Avon Books
>p. cm.                                                                 
>     CIP - NOT YET IN LC                                               
>2. 94-42586:Rosenberg, Joel.  The Fire Duke /.  New York, Morrow, 1995.
>     , 22 cm.                                                          
>     LC CALL NUMBER: PS3568.O786 F57 1995                              
>3. 94-27301:Rosenberg, Joel.  The road home /.  New York, ROC, 1995.  v
>     246 p., 23 cm.                                                    
>     LC CALL NUMBER: PS3568.O786 R62 1995                              
>4. 91-3725:Rosenberg, Joel.  The road to Ehvenor /.  New York, N.Y., U.
>     , c1991.  312 p., 23 cm.                                          
>     LC CALL NUMBER: PS3568.O786 R63 1991                              
>
>... and that's just the most recent four, George.
>
No, Joel, I said I used a search program for the Library of Congress.
It's available through the research department of the Calif. State
Univ. system. I don't know who wrote it. In has several categories one
can enter, such as author, subject, keyword, etc. I entered
"Rosenberg, Joel" I came up with "No matching entry found."

I can't speak for any other system. Your listing seems to be all pulp
paper-backs. Perhaps the system I used excludes those and stuff sold
at "Adult" shops. A lot of things get copywrited. No doubt a univer-
sity system would filer out cheap fiction.  U.M. -- GJL.

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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Good grief! You ought to rename this,

"The Tarantella's Tactics Coven"!

(Poor Andrew, he forgets I refered to him as an _echter Mensch_. Seems
like someone took him in tow, and now he's back to being an _echter
Meshuggenuh_! Well, that's the price one has to pay, if he doesn't
want to get thrown off the Tarantella Team!)

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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Rich Graves  wrote:

>Joel Rosenberg quoted unsolicited email from George (Ursus Major), 
>saying:
>
>> From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>> To: joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg)
>> Subject: Someone had best inform Bowery's keeper!
>> 
>> Have you read Bowery's latest, Joel?
>> He has now labelled me a mere lackey for International
>> Jewry! While yapping Randy Andy and the articulate Mr.
>> Roseberg
>>    have got me pegged as confirmed anti-Semite, Bowery
>>    has inverted the epithet 180-degrees, putting me on
>>    the payroll if not of the Elders themselves, at least
>>    on Nizkor's.
>
>Yes, the infighting among racists is at least as nasty as their fighting 
>against normal people. Metzger, Covington, Burdi, and Bowery lead the 
>pack of idiots who hate other idiots with whom they compete for scarce 
>racist dollars.
>
>I'd give George credit for being more or less honest and up front here. 
>I'm not saying that you're being too hard on him, Joel, but I do think 
>you're being hard on him for the wrong things. I believe he really is an 
>independent racist (and originally I thought militia crank) -- I doubt 
>he'd give a neo-Nazi "movement" type the time of day.
>
>>    If you neek responding to this bizarre amalgam of
>>    F.P. Yockey and
>> the Abbott & Costello "Who's on first?" routine, it will
>
>Hey George, I belive I missed that post of Bowery's. Maybe he removed me 
>from his mailing list. Could you post it? alt.revisionism probably 
>doesn't need to see it, but the overt white-power-ranger newsgroups 
>might appreciate it.
>
>> be leaving pronounciementos on every topic, until
>> they're as thick as the guano inside Chile's nitrate
>> caves. You'll never get the malaprop of white
>> nationalism to shut up any more than you'll get Randy
>> Andy to end a rebuttal in a civil manner.
>
>Or George, for that matter.
>
>Actually, George, "Randy Andy" has been quite civil with Milton and a 
>few others -- he surprised me. I think you ought to give each other a 
>little credit -- and then get back to each other's throats.
>
>>    By the way, do you know what a "levinist" is? Someone
>
>I think you found this out, but it probably refers to Michael Levin, a 
>racist "philosopher" for the American Renaissance. Heard of Jared 
>Taylor? See Murungu's message to Stormfront about the AR. You can find 
>it at (one line):

For course I've heard of _American Renaissance_. That's how I came to
know the articule Rabbi Meyer Schiller, arch-champion of Western Civ.!
Sorry, don't know the others. (And not really moved to inquire.)

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
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Rich Graves  wrote:

>Derek Bell wrote:
>> 
>> goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) writes:
>> >Bwahahahahaha! The weaklings remain evident.
>> 
>>         What are _you_ smoking, O beastial one?
>> 
>>         Goat dick?
>
>There's a picture of what he likes on the home page he's advertising.
>
>I strongly recommend visiting www.anus.com with images TURNED OFF.
>
>How much longer is George Lehman going to play along with this guy 
>before he realizes who and what he really is?
>
>-rich
As a general rule, I avoid homepages. (There are exceptions.) I think
the "Nom-du-Net" is intended to provoke; however, Christianity is a
very provocative cult. Nietzsche said it all for the litterati. "The
Goat" is addressing those who aren't up to _Also Sprach Zarathustra_.

But when it comes to strange bedfellows, I don't see how you can let
Mony Rosa lead you around by the nose. Anyone who would set up
a myriad of threads to fume and fulminate has got to have SERIOUS ego
problems. (Rosenberg is doing his "Elmer Fudd" number: "I'm gonna get
that wabbit!" He needs some new material, but when one churns out
formula fiction, that's not easy. This ain't Gore Vidal were talking
about! This is about three rungs (or more) below the _Conan_ series!)

Well, if you want him as Head Tarantella--be my guest! Just watch out.
Those arachnids are known for biting off the heads of their own kind.
==========================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 10 23:11:33 PDT 1996
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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
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Rich Graves  wrote:

>Derek Bell wrote:
>> 
>> goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) writes:
>> >Bwahahahahaha! The weaklings remain evident.
>> 
>>         What are _you_ smoking, O beastial one?
>> 
>>         Goat dick?
>
>There's a picture of what he likes on the home page he's advertising.
>
>I strongly recommend visiting www.anus.com with images TURNED OFF.
>
>How much longer is George Lehman going to play along with this guy 
>before he realizes who and what he really is?
>
>-rich
As a general rule, I avoid homepages. (There are exceptions.) I think
the "Nom-du-Net" is intended to provoke; however, Christianity is a
very provocative cult. Nietzsche said it all for the litterati. "The
Goat" is addressing those who aren't up to _Also Sprach Zarathustra_.

But when it comes to strange bedfellows, I don't see how you can let
Mony Rosa lead you around by the nose. Anyone who would set up
a myriad of threads to fume and fulminate has got to have SERIOUS ego
problems. (Rosenberg is doing his "Elmer Fudd" number: "I'm gonna get
that wabbit!" He needs some new material, but when one churns out
formula fiction, that's not easy. This ain't Gore Vidal were talking
about! This is about three rungs (or more) below the _Conan_ series!)

Well, if you want him as Head Tarantella--be my guest! Just watch out.
Those arachnids are known for biting off the heads of their own kind.
==========================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 11 18:35:37 PDT 1996
Article: 64495 of alt.revisionism
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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>George, if you just step outside your door, and walk 137 yards north along 
>Archibald, you'll come to the railroad tracks -- you know, the one you live on 
>the wrong side of?
>
>Follow the tracks about 300 yards, through most of the curve.  Not to 
>Amethyst, but about halfway there.
>
>Now.  Take the colander off your head, and set it aside.  Put your ear down on 
>the track and listen real, real hard until you hear the "tsk, tsk, tsk" sound 
>of  St. Peter explaining that they don't take your kind there....
>
>It'll take a while, but the wait will be worth it.  

You've got me confused with another George Lehmann. He's the one with
the metalic head-piece. It only looks like a colander. It's actually a
combination yamulka and satellite-dish. That way, he need never miss a
broadcast of Radio Wiesenthal.
								U.M. -GJL.
================================================================

	"The dogma is fragile. Scientific investigation is likely to
	blow it out of the water. Quickly spin cocoons around inquiries!"

	-- Big Debbie briefing the Tarantella Korps before a Net check!


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 12 07:33:52 PDT 1996
Article: 64617 of alt.revisionism
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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
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Subject: Re: Think even George "the coward of Alta Loma" Lehmann could parse this sentence?
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ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:

>joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:
>
>>
>>>You're too late.    This just in:  Earlier this evening, at 643 PDT, a crack 
>>>commando team from the ZOG Gathered Information Exchange (ZOGGIE) parachuted 
>>>into one of the poorer neighborhoods in Alta Loma, California, slipped 
>>>silently (having both verbs and adverbs) into George's  rathole (that's a 
>>>noun) and scooped all of them (pronoun) up.  
>>
>>>No nouns were injured during this lightning raid, but a predicate clause was 
>>>rendered unconscious.  More as this develops.
>>
>>>The conjunctions will be next, or . . . 
>>
>>Almost forgot:
>>
>>Hey, George?   I'm laughing at you, not with you.
>>
>>Or, as George said, somewhat indignantly, waving his cane about, the last 
>>time he was in Tijuana:"Quapropter non adsunt qui Latine loquantur?  Nonne est 
>>haec America Latina?"
>>
>>The only trouble was, somebody did, didn't care for the upitiy gringo with the 
>>cane and the attitude, said "Pone ubi sol non lucet, Vultus natiformis," and 
>>proceeded to do just that.  
>>
>>Which is why George walks kinda funny.


Here's an example of the way the server (or wunnerful Netcom) has
been dropping material from my posts:

>Gee, Joel, it's amusing to see Central Control has been feeding you
>dog-Latin through the little spinner atop your iridium yamulka. Here we
>thought it was just a beanie-propeller to match your pogo stick; but
>it turns out to be an antenna: keeping all the Trarantulas in constant
>contact. That way one{ alter }can have the{o} whole hive on the Web in
{material inserted or garbled}
>seconds. So sophisticated! You think it's just Monty Rosa, bouncing
>along with his yamulka spinning (common enough sight), when it's
>really maintaining constant contact with the Mission-Control at
>Nizkor.
>
>Did you adapt this from one of your Barzoom stories? Sounds like the
>stuff one finds in "sagas" sold in Greyhound waiting rooms!
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   "Divine wisdom can be summed up in two words: 'compound interest'!"
>			--- Shumle ben Goniff, the Sage of Brush.
>
>
>SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>        "Ursus Major"

So when you want to know where verbs went or how text got mangled,
address your questions to support@ix.netcom.com ... U.M. - GJL


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>
>>You're too late.    This just in:  Earlier this evening, at 643 PDT, a crack 
>>commando team from the ZOG Gathered Information Exchange (ZOGGIE) parachuted 
>>into one of the poorer neighborhoods in Alta Loma, California, slipped 
>>silently (having both verbs and adverbs) into George's  rathole (that's a 
>>noun) and scooped all of them (pronoun) up.  
>
>>No nouns were injured during this lightning raid, but a predicate clause was 
>>rendered unconscious.  More as this develops.
>
>>The conjunctions will be next, or . . . 
>
>Almost forgot:
>
>Hey, George?   I'm laughing at you, not with you.
>
>Or, as George said, somewhat indignantly, waving his cane about, the last 
>time he was in Tijuana:"Quapropter non adsunt qui Latine loquantur?  Nonne est 
>haec America Latina?"
>
>The only trouble was, somebody did, didn't care for the upitiy gringo with the 
>cane and the attitude, said "Pone ubi sol non lucet, Vultus natiformis," and 
>proceeded to do just that.  
>
>Which is why George walks kinda funny.

Gee, Joel, it's amusing to see Central Control has been feeding you
dog-Latin through the little spinner atop your iridium yamulka. He we
thought it was just a beanie-propeller to match your pogo stick; but
it turns out to be an antenna: keeping all the Trarantulas in constant
contact. That way one alter can have to whole hive on the Web in
seconds. So sophisticated! You think it's just Monty Rosa, bouncing
along with his yamulka spinning (common enough sight), when it's
really maintaining constant contact with the Mission-Control at
Nizkor.

Did you adapt this from one of your Barzoom stories? Sounds like the
stuff one finds in "sagas" sold in Greyhound waiting rooms!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

   "Divine wisdom can be summed up in two words: 'compound interest'!"
			--- Shumle ben Goniff, the Sage of Brush.


SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 13 01:07:38 PDT 1996
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Boy, this topic has produced a major Tarantula Mobilization!
(Plus the additional lambasting of the poster, because he
can't get jack-boots over his paws, and therefore doesn't
meet the "true Aryan" litmus-test of the Boys in the Bund.)
   The admonition still holds, however. The Tarantulas NEED
anti-Semites (or anyone they can label an anti-Semite) to
keep the Deflectors operating. [The what?] The Deflectors!
Whenever world attention is drawn to the Israelis plastering
a Palestinian refugee camp with fragmentation bombs or Arab
children having their hands crushed for the heinous crime of
throwing a stone, the Deflection goes into action. "Look what
the Nazis did to us! Look at the anti-Semites all over the
place just _waiting_ to finish what Hitler started! And where
were the _goyim_ when 6,000,000 Jews were being killed?
You're ALL guilty! The Germans more than anybody else--but
all the _goyim_ anyway! So what are a few children's hands in
comparison to  The Holocaust'[TM]?" The never-ending Five
Minute Hate being concluded, the _goyim_ can go back to
checking the Lotto numbers and avoid Crimethink.
   Unless anti-Semites can be _manufactured_ in quantity, the
Never Ending Tale is in danger of being forgotten. One way to
manufacture "anti-Semites" is to cling tenaciously to a Myth
which is falling apart, and then label those who question the
authenticity of the Dogmatic Mythology (i.e. The Holocaust
[TM]) as "Deniers" (Revisionist not sufficiently vilifying)
and _de facto_ anti-Semites. This keeps the Tarantulas busy,
wrapping meaningful discussion inside a cocoon of troll-
posts: moronic _shtick_ insults taken from Joel Rosenberg's
unfilmed scenario _Animal House Surfs the Net_.

   Have you ever, EVER ONCE, seen one of the Tarantulas post
ANYTHING on a NewsGroup entitled "nationalism.white" about
Jews engaged in the defense and advancement of Western
European culture? Never! Not once! That's not the Tarantulas'
job. Their job is to Defend the Myth, keep the Deflectors
functioning. The only one to call attention to the contribu-
tion made to White Nationalism, past and present, has been
Monty Rosa's (Rosenberg = mountain of roses = Monty Rosa)
_bête-noir_, GJL: Goy-Bear. What the Tarantulas won't do, to AVOID the
real issues!
   Well, if the iridium-yamulka set with the whirly-bird
antennae won't discuss a contemporary Jew, who has been a
very important figure in advancing and preserving Western
Culture, this ursine Tarantula-baiter will.

-------------------------------------------------------------

The man's name is GEORGE STEINER, and unlike the spinner of
penny-dreadfuls, a recognized scholar of major import. Dr.
Steiner (although he never uses his academic title[s]) was
born in Paris of Jewish parents from Vienna. Seeing the war
clouds darkening over Europe, the family moved to the U.S.,
where Steiner was educated before The Closing of the American
Mind (to utilize the phrase coined by another pro-Western
Culture Jew, Allan Bloom).
   At last report, he was Prof. of Comparative Literature in
Geneva and Edinburgh. He doesn't publish that often, but he
does publish well. (All of his books are listed through the
university search-engine, which must screen out pulp fiction,
hence no reference to Rosenberg.) His most remarkable book
(to my knowledge) is a small, but powerful, novel published
in 1979. The title? _The Portage to San Cristobal of A.H._
   Even one with the IQ of a Randy Andy can figure out who
"A.H." is. In 1979, Hitler would have been 90-years-old.
Steiner's novel is based upon the premise that Hitler did NOT
commit suicide in the Bunker, but indeed made it to the jun-
gles of Paraguay, where he is still alive. A crack Israeli
team is DETERMINED to retrieve the Arch Fiend, that he may
stand trial. Various governments get word of what is going
on, and all of them want to stop it: the Soviets, the U.S.,
the Germans, even the Israelis. But the abductors persist.
   They indeed find the 90-year-old ex-Führer alive, and
proceed to hack their way toward San Cristobal, a tiny town,
but their only connection to the outside world. As it is
imperative that A.H. survive, he's carried in a litter (hence
the title). The problem is Hitler is used to the jungle; his
captors are not. They begin to succumb to the diseases which
jungles inflict upon intruders. Not A.H.: he, like the native
guide, has lived in and with the jungle.
   As his captors begin to perish, the fear arises that they
might well _fail_. But THERE must be a trial; there simply
has to be. So, they decide to hold it right THERE--in the
jungle. But what about a judge? To have a trial, there must
be a judge, an _impartial_ judge! Thus the native guide is
appointed to be the judge at the long-deferred trial of A.H.
   One of the team is appointed the Defense, but A.H. takes
over his own defense. That's the heart of the novel, it's
whole focus: Adolf Hitler defending himself before the judge-
ment of history. Steiner devotes a chapter to it, Chapter 17 (finale),
and produces some of the finest prose writing to be found in
contemporary literature. Steiner has A.H. take us back to his
youth in Vienna, living in a dross-house. (It is one of his-
tory's great ironies that in 1913, Vienna was the residence
of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, and Tito!) It was there (Steiner
has A.H. state) that from another derelict, he discovered the
real "power of the Jew": BELIEF IN THE MYTHOS.
   Steiner's prose is too powerful (as we shall see) to be
paraphrased. (_Time_ devoted a major article to the book. A
rare occurrence for a novel. Raspail's _Camp of the Saints_
was accorded similar recognition.) The thrust of A.H.'s
defense is that he, Adolf Hitler, was responsible for the
restoration of Israel. That he was the Husbandman of the
Jews, transforming them from a nation of sheep, who would
meekly stand before an open pit to be machine-gunned, into a
a nation of warriors, who could dump the bodies of slaugh-
tered Arab children down the well at Deir Yassin, without
losing a night's sleep afterwards. That A.H. had merely
"pruned the vineyard" of rubbish, who would have proved an
intolerable burden on a nation reborn: removing the "weeds,"
that the "wheat" might flourish: eugenics on a mass-scale!
   It wasn't the educated, financially secure Jew who was up-
rooted. The builders and warrior stock had found refuge. It
was the hopelessly backward _Stedl-yiddim_, who would be
transformed from ballast into martyrs, infusing the Mythos
with new vigor. That he, A.H., was the _necessary_ purifica-
tion which had to take place, to transform sheep into lions,
lions capable of ignoring the lamentation of those they had
disposed, wailing for decades in camps within earshot. And if
the disposed ones became too obnoxious in their despair, a
few fragmentation bombs would suffice to silence them.
   Steiner ends his novel by describing the sound of helicop-
ters sent (one assumes) to blot out all trace of the trial--
but not before the Judge, who had not understood the words,
only their power, turned to the winds (as is the custom of
his people) and pronounced his verdict:
                      NOT GUILTY!

   The novel was turned into a play, which opened in London;
and after a few performances HAD to be closed, because each
performance was ending in a riot! The play was later staged
in West Los Angeles, without incident. The uncanny aspect was
the inordinately LONG period between the end of the perform- 
ance and the inception of applause. The finale of the play is
Chapter 17, a tour-de-force for any actor. But ... but ... to
the mainly Jewish audience--a good 80% in my estimation, when
I attended--the message was too disquieting. Steiner's prose
(and only the most superficial recapitulation is possible) on
the one hand seemed almost blasphemous; on the other all-too-
true. To the gilded audience from Brentwood and Bel-Air, it
was ... confusing, very confusing.
   Then the cloud passed, and the dictum _plaudite amici,com-
oedia finita est_ fulfilled. As is the custom in the theater,
the cast appeared in ascending order of importance. The final
actor to stand before the footlights, then, was the one who
played "A.H." There was no roar of applause, it simply went
on and on (reminding one of the old Soviet scenes, where the
first one to stop applauding might well vanish in to the
GULAG). Despite the bows, exits, returns, and further exits,
the applause continued until finally bringing the house
lights on FORCED a termination. Again an uncanny occurance:
the audience didn't leave the theater, it _filed_ out. What
conversation there was, had little to do with the play: a new
bistro opening in Brentwood, an exhibit at an art gallery on
La Ciegnega. Why? The "why" could only be read in the eyes.
Like the orthodox Jewish custom of never using the term
"God," nor even spelling the English word (often "G*d" being
used in lieu), it _dare not_ be openly expressed: that the
words given "A.H." by George Steiner were TRUE!

------------------------------------------------------------

   When asked why he would not allow his novel to be trans-
lated in German (although it has been done and distributed,
rather than sold), Steiner replied that the statements in
Chapter 17 HAD to be made, but he simply could not endure the
sight of seeing them made in the language Hitler would have
used. Fiction is not really Steiner's métier. As a professor
at two universities, and often serving as an editor, his ef-
forts are directed mainly toward academia.
   No _goy_ could have written "The Portage." It would have
been rejected out-of-hand as "anti-Semitic." The intelllec-
tual level of main-stream anti-Semitism would have dismissed
it as not being virulent enough (and also incomprehensible to
them, but that they probably would not have admitted). No
effort that I'm aware of has been made to vilify Steiner, but
the import of his work has been allowed to quietly atrophy.
(As a friend of Jewish background, who also agrees with
Steiner's tenets, put it: "What can one expect, an open ack-
nowledgement? Would it do for the Israelis to rename the main
boulevard in Tel Aviv _Rahob Adolf Hitler_?")

   What one must understand is that the creation of "anti-
Semites" is important to Rosenberg and, say, Randy Andy (who
together remind me of the Fox and Kitty from _Pinocchio_: "Eh, Kitty?"
says Rosenberg; "Ha-yuk, ha-yuk!" responds Andy.) Indeed, it
gives all Tarantulas a _raison d'être_, otherwise lacking.
   The important thing a White Nationalist must do is to look
as to whether the individual is promoting and protecting the
Race-Cultural integrity of _Magna Europa_ .White Nationalism
in not confined to Europe proper: _Magna Europa_ is the
domain of the Race-Culture, either in its original habitat or
transplanted; Argentina, Australia, the U.S. and Canada, even
part of Israel, etc. must be considered _Magna Europa_. All
other considerations are secondary. Religion (or lack of it)?
Sexual orientation? Smoker/Non-smoker? Pigmentation? These
are secondary considerations.
   The "white knight" approach to Revisionism should not be a
mask for anti-Semitism. The Revisionist has one overriding de
sire: that the history of the White Race-Culture be ACCURATE.
That the Canonical Version is _inaccurate_ has already been
established. What has not been established is what really DID
happen. For the Nizkorites to dig in their heels and use
every means to impede determining what really did happen
establishes them as opponents of White Nationalism. The je-
june practice of libeling everyone who takes exception to
this "Facts be damned; this is DOGMA!" approach an "anti-
Semite" is indicative of desperation setting in. (Well, they
never claimed to be White Nationalists.)
   The Tarantulas scurry up and down to web, using "anti-
Semite" the way a dumb high school jock uses the term "fag":
anyone I don't like for any reason! The goal is to draw at-
tention AWAY from the issues and bombard the NewsGroup with
a plethora of "cocoons" framed as moronic insults, trivial
digressions (here a spelling error, there a failure to have
one's post properly presented), so that the surfer forgets
WHAT the topic is. Hence the term "cocoon": wrap up the issue
in abusive twaddle, until it can't be seen.
   As a White Nationalist, this may engender an anti-Semitic
response. Be on your guard against that! Remember that you're
no longer worried about polio because of Salk and Sabin: two
Jews. If literature's your focus, consider how much poorer
the White Race-Culture would be without Heine, Kafka, Zweig,
Mailer, Woody Allen (who should not be underrated) and a host
of others. Classical music? Western Civilization without
Mozart's _Le Nozze di Figaro_, _Don Giovanni_ and _Cosi fan
Tutte_? No, Mozart wasn't Jewish; but Lorenzo da Ponte, who
wrote the libretti was born a Jew, converted by his father to
Catholicism (so he could go to school), became a priest
(defrocked), wrote the libretti for Mozart's operas, eventu-
ally settled in the U.S., taught Italian literature at Col-
umbia Univ. and is buried in Hoboken, NJ. Mendelssohn? Max
Bruch? Gustav Mahler? (None of them were "orthodox," many
were converts, sincere or otherwise, to Christianity; but
they were of Jewish origin. No question about that!)
   So, keep your cool; keep your perspective; and never lose
sight of the goal: the preservation and enrichment of the
White Race-Cultural legacy. Keep posted on the host of new
websites springing up, which are dedicated to just White-
Nationalism (i.e. Race-Cultural integrity). DON'T LET JOEL
ROSENBERG MAKE AN ANTI-SEMITE OUT OF YOU!

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 13 10:17:27 PDT 1996
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Laura Finsten  wrote:

>goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  took a fat hit off a pipe and
>>wrote:
>
>[...]
>>>I guess it takes a special kind of strength and bravado to speak out
>>>against such harmful ideologies.
>
>>Not at all, since speaking out against an ideology only gratifies a
>>competing one and thus is a masturbatory and not external function.
>
>And you just like to watch all the mental masturbation going on
>here?  
>
>>> I haven't read much of what you post.  Perhaps
>>>I am wrong about where you are coming from.  But you do indeed seem
>>>to be lumping all the "anti-racists" into a single uniform category,
>>>something that the likes of Ourobouros, Whitaker and many other of 
>>>the white power rangers find very convenient.
>
>>That's your categorization of what they speak, then, and thus your
>>re-categorization of the little you have read of my speech fits nicely
>>into that as it is a solopsistic definition.
>
>No, that is a reasonable inference based on the *content* of what
>they say, including the repeated use of generic terms like "you 
>clones", "you liberals", "you race traitors", "you anti-whites"
>to describe everyone who disagrees with them.

Isn't it the same with "anti-Semite" and "fascist": i.e. anyone I
oppose for any reason? (High school jocks, being neither political
nor very bright, use the term "fag" for the same purpose.)
    It's merely practical Orwell: "us" vrs. "them" -- Don't be late
for the Five-Minute Hate! The "enemy" is totally relavistic: that's
why history has to be periodically rewritten--and entrenched interests
do all they can to prevent that from occuring.
   "Neo-Nazi" or "Nazi-clone" is--_mutatis mutandis_--the same as
"fag" for the high school jock (or "Denier" for Big Debbie): the
_goy_, the "infidel." If one remembers that the words host and hostile
come from the same Latin root-word (_hostes_, meaning both stranger
and enemy), he gets a much clearer picture as to how the psyche works.

Maybe one would prefer something else, but that "something else"
wouldn't be human.

==============================================

C'est triste, mais c'est vrai! -- U.M. / GJL.


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Laura Finsten  wrote:

>goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  took a fat hit off a pipe and
>>wrote:
>
>[...]
>>>I guess it takes a special kind of strength and bravado to speak out
>>>against such harmful ideologies.
>
>>Not at all, since speaking out against an ideology only gratifies a
>>competing one and thus is a masturbatory and not external function.
>
>And you just like to watch all the mental masturbation going on
>here?  
>
>>> I haven't read much of what you post.  Perhaps
>>>I am wrong about where you are coming from.  But you do indeed seem
>>>to be lumping all the "anti-racists" into a single uniform category,
>>>something that the likes of Ourobouros, Whitaker and many other of 
>>>the white power rangers find very convenient.
>
>>That's your categorization of what they speak, then, and thus your
>>re-categorization of the little you have read of my speech fits nicely
>>into that as it is a solopsistic definition.
>
>No, that is a reasonable inference based on the *content* of what
>they say, including the repeated use of generic terms like "you 
>clones", "you liberals", "you race traitors", "you anti-whites"
>to describe everyone who disagrees with them.

Isn't it the same with "anti-Semite" and "fascist": i.e. anyone I
oppose for any reason? (High school jocks, being neither political
nor very bright, use the term "fag" for the same purpose.)
    It's merely practical Orwell: "us" vrs. "them" -- Don't be late
for the Five-Minute Hate! The "enemy" is totally relavistic: that's
why history has to be periodically rewritten--and entrenched interests
do all they can to prevent that from occuring.
   "Neo-Nazi" or "Nazi-clone" is--_mutatis mutandis_--the same as
"fag" for the high school jock (or "Denier" for Big Debbie): the
_goy_, the "infidel." If one remembers that the words host and hostile
come from the same Latin root-word (_hostes_, meaning both stranger
and enemy), he gets a much clearer picture as to how the psyche works.

Maybe one would prefer something else, but that "something else"
wouldn't be human.

==============================================

C'est triste, mais c'est vrai! -- U.M. / GJL.


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Laura Finsten  wrote:

>goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  took a fat hit off a pipe and
>>wrote:
>
>[...]
>>>I guess it takes a special kind of strength and bravado to speak out
>>>against such harmful ideologies.
>
>>Not at all, since speaking out against an ideology only gratifies a
>>competing one and thus is a masturbatory and not external function.
>
>And you just like to watch all the mental masturbation going on
>here?  
>
>>> I haven't read much of what you post.  Perhaps
>>>I am wrong about where you are coming from.  But you do indeed seem
>>>to be lumping all the "anti-racists" into a single uniform category,
>>>something that the likes of Ourobouros, Whitaker and many other of 
>>>the white power rangers find very convenient.
>
>>That's your categorization of what they speak, then, and thus your
>>re-categorization of the little you have read of my speech fits nicely
>>into that as it is a solopsistic definition.
>
>No, that is a reasonable inference based on the *content* of what
>they say, including the repeated use of generic terms like "you 
>clones", "you liberals", "you race traitors", "you anti-whites"
>to describe everyone who disagrees with them.

Isn't it the same with "anti-Semite" and "fascist": i.e. anyone I
oppose for any reason? (High school jocks, being neither political
nor very bright, use the term "fag" for the same purpose.)
    It's merely practical Orwell: "us" vrs. "them" -- Don't be late
for the Five-Minute Hate! The "enemy" is totally relavistic: that's
why history has to be periodically rewritten--and entrenched interests
do all they can to prevent that from occuring.
   "Neo-Nazi" or "Nazi-clone" is--_mutatis mutandis_--the same as
"fag" for the high school jock (or "Denier" for Big Debbie): the
_goy_, the "infidel." If one remembers that the words host and hostile
come from the same Latin root-word (_hostes_, meaning both stranger
and enemy), he gets a much clearer picture as to how the psyche works.

Maybe one would prefer something else, but that "something else"
wouldn't be human.

==============================================

C'est triste, mais c'est vrai! -- U.M. / GJL.


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 13 22:44:52 PDT 1996
Article: 65243 of alt.revisionism
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Oh, Goat, Goat -- Capricorne!

If you only knew Dionysios. If you'd only let the spirit of Friedrich
Nietzsche take you by the cloven hoof and bring you to Dionyios!

The God of Creation through Excess! The God of the Intoxicated, those
intoxicated with the sheer exuberance of existence. The God of the
germinating power of the Irrational.

Leave behind this Christian balast, these chains fashioned from Jewish
folklore. Yahweh hates the naked. Dionysios loves them. Come join in
the Dance, not the Christian Dance of Death, but Dionysios' Dance of
Life. Come dance with naked feet, with naked feet and naked loins.

Cast away your chains, these dead and dying images. Demand back your
innocence, your pure pagan innocence; and if they will not give it,
seize it. It is yours; it is you!

Don't take upon yourself the image THEY have fashioned for you. When
you stare into their Abyss, their Abyss stares into you. Don't vilify
yourself in mockem them. Think rather of the clean air, the open sky,
and the power of your loins. Reclaim YOUR Gods, who were not vile, nor
diseased, nor mandators of genocide.

The freedom is there, you need but claim it. Cast off the foul pelt
and be pure again. Dance in the Procession of Purity, while flutes
play, as it wends its way through lush green, not desert scrub.
Hold high the Chalice of Life, and drain it to the dregs

Fulfill your destiny: be a God among Gods, not a goat among goats!

=============================================================


MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 14 08:50:33 PDT 1996
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precursor@gnn.com (Precursor) wrote:

>goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote:
>
>
>>Christ brought lies to this earth:
>>	- "Trust" your neighbor
>>	- "Love" your enemy
>>	- Believe in society
>>	- Abstain from impurity.
>
>>Satan brings truth:
>>	- Nothing is certain. 
>>	- There is no value
>>	- There is no law/control
>>	- Death defines life.
>
>>God is a whore and those who follow him are, by definition, in his
>>image whores.
>
>>God's purpose is to provide a central forum for trust in society that
>>allows oblivion to overshadow the crasser motives of humanity.
>
>>Christianity denies the negative thought processes that lead to
>>individual enlightenment in freedom; its purpose is a herd-warden and
>>consequently it labors only to provide stability.
>
>>Christians are often strong believers in order; Satan knows better and
>>promulgates chaos through mayhem, violence, confusion, obscurity,
>>insanity, and utterly depraved perversity.
>
>>Satan's order frees us from the intrusions of our greedy fellow
>>humans, and from the intrusions of their good intentions.  We already
>>know law is nothing but a tool; what about civilization?
>
>>Set your spirit free.
>>Seek knowledge
>>Seek SATAN
>
>>GOAT
>
>
>
>> Walk into evil's lair...
>>                                   666
>
>	Let me tell you one thing, you satanist dick: I may have agreed with some things you have
>posted on white power NG's, but at this point we diverge!
>	It is one thing to dislike others because of their race; to distrust others because of
>their culture, to categorize others based on their heritage...
>	But to embrace your religion is to walk into the grasp of utter chaos and despair! Even
>the racial differences fought over here pale next to your destructive belief!!
>	Even the most extreme blacks and the most merciless whites believe in the the same God...
>your satanist crap has NO place even here!!!
>	Remember: Satan himself was a former angel fallen from the Kingdom of God-- a REJECT from
>the ultimate power... a defeated rebel whose ultimate fate is even still dictated by his
>master. You cannot get the masses to follow you-- for even though we are sinful, it takes
>a certain kind of scum to embrace Satan...
>
>John 3:16...
>Read it and weep, Sodomizer!!
>
>Asshole.
>
The sad spectacle of two not badly educated individuals fuming over
the mythology introduced by Zoroaster.
 Call it, "The Persian Connection"?

==========================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote:

>
>The amusing thing about Nizkorites is that arguing with them is like
>arguing with Christians (dogmatic tautology):
>
>Ex: 1
>
>Person1: I'm not sure I believe that!
>
>Person2: O you'd better!  NIZKOR says: 
>
>Ex. 2:
>
>Person1: A dog in the sky who owns everything?  I'm not sure I believe
>that.
>
>Person2: O you'd better!  It says in the Bible that 
>
>GOAT
>
>
> Walk into evil's lair...
>                                   666
>
	Of course, it's all DOGMA, you know that, _Capricorne_!
	As the _minim_ (Hebrew word) have a monopoly on "heretic,"
	      and "Crimethinker" is too obvious, they had not invent
	       another name: "Denier"!

but as Gertrude Stein might have said,

"A Rosenberg is a Rosenberg is a Rosenberg --
                   just avoid standing downwind from it."

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
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shit@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote:

>
>>    HAIL SATAN! WHITE POWER! HAIL GOAT!
>
>Fuck you.  Go FUCK a goat you asshole.  
>

Ah, the power of two well-honed minds!
Stunning!
I'm stunned!
(But as it  doesn't have anything to do with The Holocaust [TM],
you're not bothered by Tarantulas!)

==============================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 14 16:27:38 PDT 1996
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zoller@fls.infi.net wrote:

>loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean A Robards) wrote:
>
>
>>>	Let me tell you one thing, you satanist dick: I may have agreed
>>with some things you have
>>>posted on white power NG's, but at this point we diverge!
>>>	It is one thing to dislike others because of their race; to
>>distrust others because of
>>>their culture, to categorize others based on their heritage...
>
>>    uh....it's the same thing dickwad
>
>
>>>	But to embrace your religion is to walk into the grasp of utter
>>chaos and despair! Even
>>>the racial differences fought over here pale next to your destructive
>>belief!!
>>>	Even the most extreme blacks and the most merciless whites
>>believe in the the same God...
>
>
>>    Wrong buddy.Sure,the dumb-ass coons and the ignorant kike whites
>>worship the CHRISTIAN GOD who is a JEWISH GOD and JESUS WAS A KIK. So
>>FUCK you and your jewish god!!!
>
>
>
>>>your satanist crap has NO place even here!!!
>
>
>
>>  Wrong.What rock have you been hiding under? The ns/fascist movement
>>is more and more anti-christian every minute...
>
>
>>>	Remember: Satan himself was a former angel fallen from the
>>Kingdom of God-- a REJECT from
>>>the ultimate power..
>
>
>
>>   Stop reading jewish myths
>
>
>> a defeated rebel whose ultimate fate is even still dictated by his
>>>master. You cannot get the masses to follow you-- for even though we
>>are sinful, it takes
>>>a certain kind of scum to embrace Satan...
>
>
>
>
>>   No.It takes a strong mind and an iron will...something you lack.
>
>
>
>>>
>>>John 3:16...
>>>Read it and weep, Sodomizer!!
>>>
>>>Asshole.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>  Fuck the bible.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Far better it is to dare mighty things-
>>> than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits
>>> who know neither victory nor defeat."
>>>                                       -Theodore Roosevelt
>>>
>
>
>
>
>>    Quit qoeting anti-christian freemansons!
>
>
>
>>    HAIL SATAN! WHITE POWER! HAIL GOAT!
>COMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF
>THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK
>RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE
>WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK
>RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE
>WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK
>RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE
>WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK
>RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE
>WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK
>RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE
>WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK
>RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE
>WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK
>RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE
>WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK RACISMCOMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE FUCK
>RACISM            FUCK ALL OF YOU NAZI BASTARDS
>
(Nice to know that while Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht may be
gone, they're not forgotten. Now back to _The Pink Swastika_,
Goldhagen's new rival. It seems the NSDAP was a homosexual S&M club!)

t-t-that's all folks! U.M.-GJL.


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <323ad3cd.2476513@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com 
>(Delirium Tremens) writes:
>
>>From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major)
>>Subject: Re: FUCK YOU CHRISTIANS! (was Re: Fucking the skull of Jesus with a
>>fork!
>>Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:51:24 GMT
>
>>shit@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>    HAIL SATAN! WHITE POWER! HAIL GOAT!
>>>
>>>Fuck you.  Go FUCK a goat you asshole.  
>>>
>
>>Ah, the power of two well-honed minds!
>>Stunning!
>>I'm stunned!
>>(But as it  doesn't have anything to do with The Holocaust [TM],
>>you're not bothered by Tarantulas!)
>
>>==============================================
>
>
>George, George, George, if you just get off the sauce and stay off the sauce, 
>you won't be seeing spiders crawling all over you anymore.   
>
>Or pink elephants, either.  
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>delirium tremens (trê´menz) noun
>An acute, sometimes fatal episode of delirium usually caused  by withdrawal or 
>abstinence from alcohol following habitual, excessive drinking. It also may 
>occur during an episode of heavy alcohol consumption.[New Latin dêlìrium 
>tremêns : Latin dêlìrium, delirium + Latin tremêns, trembling.]
>
>The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition 
>copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from 
>InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights reserved.
>
Tsk, tsk, tsk, Monty Rosa. Is that the BEST they can feed you, via the
whirly-bird antenna, atop your iridium yamulka? Try turning your Bar-
zoom books into a screen-play. Maybe you can interest Schwarze-
Nigger into taking a leading role. Call it _The Eliminator_ (but 
leave off the references to Metamucil. The critics will supply them).

=========================================================


SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>In article <323ad3cd.2476513@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com 
>(Dementia Praecox) writes:
>
>
>>Ah, the power of two well-honed minds!
>>Stunning!
>>I'm stunned!
>>(But as it  doesn't have anything to do with The Holocaust [TM],
>>you're not bothered by Tarantulas!)
>
>>==============================================
>
>>MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
>>      "Ursus Major"
>
>It occurs to me, by the way, that by naming himself "The Big Dipper", George 
>has been admirably open about his drinking problem.
>
>Good for you, George J. Lehmann.  You may be a coward, a bluffer, a liar, an 
>antisemite, and a drunk -- but at least you're honest . . . about being a 
>drunk. 
>
Ah, yes indeed! Always an admirer of ol' W.C. Fields!

Joel Rosenberg (TO be confused with Alfred) said "You're drunk!"
U.M. replied, "May be; but you're merely a Tarantula: a troll _cum_ an
	iridium-yamulka with a whirly-bird antenna on top. Tomorrow,
	I'll be sober; but you'll still be a Tarantulla--out there putting
	the Deflectors into position! Now hop along on your pogo _shtick_.
	You're already late for the Five Minute Hate!"

t-t-that's all folks .... U.M./GJL


SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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Laura Finsten  wrote:

>ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>
>>>goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote
>
>[...]
>
>>>>That's your categorization of what they speak, then, and thus your
>>>>re-categorization of the little you have read of my speech fits nicely
>>>>into that as it is a solopsistic definition.
>
>>>No, that is a reasonable inference based on the *content* of what
>>>they say, including the repeated use of generic terms like "you 
>>>clones", "you liberals", "you race traitors", "you anti-whites"
>>>to describe everyone who disagrees with them.
>
>>Isn't it the same with "anti-Semite" and "fascist": i.e. anyone I
>>oppose for any reason? (High school jocks, being neither political
>>nor very bright, use the term "fag" for the same purpose.)
>
>Perhaps if one has an adolescent mind, those sorts of labels might
>seem appropriate.  I reserve the terms antisemite and fascist for
>people who have earned them.  Similarly, I reserve the label Nazi
>for those who were members of the NSDAP and/or subscribed to its
>racist political philosophy, and neo-Nazi for those today who
>espouse and/or spout virtually identical views.
>
>>    It's merely practical Orwell: "us" vrs. "them" -- Don't be late
>>for the Five-Minute Hate! The "enemy" is totally relavistic: that's
>>why history has to be periodically rewritten--and entrenched interests
>>do all they can to prevent that from occuring.
>>   "Neo-Nazi" or "Nazi-clone" is--_mutatis mutandis_--the same as
>>"fag" for the high school jock (or "Denier" for Big Debbie): the
>>_goy_, the "infidel." If one remembers that the words host and hostile
>>come from the same Latin root-word (_hostes_, meaning both stranger
>>and enemy), he gets a much clearer picture as to how the psyche works.
>
>>Maybe one would prefer something else, but that "something else"
>>wouldn't be human.
>
>Unlike you, I believe that humans are capable of seeing shades of grey,
>and of seeing complexities and depth, and not just superficial and
>simplistic categories.
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
Sweathard, you can kick up your heels to "Hava Hagila" any time,
	and don't let THEM tell you otherwise!

(Whatever happened to the Jacobites? Nobody ever talks about the
	Jacobites! Must have fallen down the Memory Hole.)

=================================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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Laura Finsten  wrote:

>ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten  wrote:
>
>>>goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote
>
>[...]
>
>>>>That's your categorization of what they speak, then, and thus your
>>>>re-categorization of the little you have read of my speech fits nicely
>>>>into that as it is a solopsistic definition.
>
>>>No, that is a reasonable inference based on the *content* of what
>>>they say, including the repeated use of generic terms like "you 
>>>clones", "you liberals", "you race traitors", "you anti-whites"
>>>to describe everyone who disagrees with them.
>
>>Isn't it the same with "anti-Semite" and "fascist": i.e. anyone I
>>oppose for any reason? (High school jocks, being neither political
>>nor very bright, use the term "fag" for the same purpose.)
>
>Perhaps if one has an adolescent mind, those sorts of labels might
>seem appropriate.  I reserve the terms antisemite and fascist for
>people who have earned them.  Similarly, I reserve the label Nazi
>for those who were members of the NSDAP and/or subscribed to its
>racist political philosophy, and neo-Nazi for those today who
>espouse and/or spout virtually identical views.
>
>>    It's merely practical Orwell: "us" vrs. "them" -- Don't be late
>>for the Five-Minute Hate! The "enemy" is totally relavistic: that's
>>why history has to be periodically rewritten--and entrenched interests
>>do all they can to prevent that from occuring.
>>   "Neo-Nazi" or "Nazi-clone" is--_mutatis mutandis_--the same as
>>"fag" for the high school jock (or "Denier" for Big Debbie): the
>>_goy_, the "infidel." If one remembers that the words host and hostile
>>come from the same Latin root-word (_hostes_, meaning both stranger
>>and enemy), he gets a much clearer picture as to how the psyche works.
>
>>Maybe one would prefer something else, but that "something else"
>>wouldn't be human.
>
>Unlike you, I believe that humans are capable of seeing shades of grey,
>and of seeing complexities and depth, and not just superficial and
>simplistic categories.
>
>
>"If I can't dance.....I don't want to be part of your revolution."
>          Emma Goldman
>
Sweathard, you can kick up your heels to "Hava Hagila" any time,
	and don't let THEM tell you otherwise!

(Whatever happened to the Jacobites? Nobody ever talks about the
	Jacobites! Must have fallen down the Memory Hole.)

=================================================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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shit@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote:

>>Ah, the power of two well-honed minds!
>>Stunning!
>>I'm stunned!
>>(But as it  doesn't have anything to do with The Holocaust [TM],
>>you're not bothered by Tarantulas!)
>
>>==============================================
>
>>MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
>>      "Ursus Major"
>
>How do YOU hone your mind - WATCHING MEN WRESTLE IN THE NUDE!!!???

Look up the meaning of the word "gymnasium" (from it's roots)!
	(You can say the word "Christian" AND keep your dinner down.
	It ain't easy, but you can do it!)

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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shit@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote:

>>Look up the meaning of the word "gymnasium" (from it's roots)!
>>	(You can say the word "Christian" AND keep your dinner down.
>>	It ain't easy, but you can do it!)
>
>>===========================================================
>
>>         
>
>>SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>>        "Ursus Major"
>
>Quit trying to act "holier than thou".  You LOVE looking at pictures
>of nude men!!   Faggot - Pervert..  I'd rather be a jew than a
>degenerate like you.  
>
Run out and buy a copy of _The Pink Swastika_! It was written with you
in mind. (If things like this one are on the OUTSIDE, whom do they
have on the INSIDE?)

t-t-that's all folks! U.M. / GJL.


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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:40:37 GMT, ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
>
>
>>No, Joel, I said I used a search program for the Library of Congress.
>>It's available through the research department of the Calif. State
>>Univ. system. I don't know who wrote it. In has several categories one
>>can enter, such as author, subject, keyword, etc. I entered
>>"Rosenberg, Joel" I came up with "No matching entry found."
>
>That's good. Whatever you do, don't actually go to the Library of Congress
>themselves and use their search engine. What's the matter? Your ISP lose
>that URL?

There's no direct URL involved: it's part of the univ. resource
facility running under Nexus. One of the listings is "The Library of
Congress" -- up comes a screen and one can search by author,
keyword, that sort of thing. Enter "Rosenberg, Joel"; got "no matching
item" as a response.

So send that through the whirly-bird antenna atop your iridium yamulka
and the _Shlock-Meister_ will come scurrying across the Web for a
_shticklet_. If he doesn't show up quickly, try changing the 9-volt
battery in your iridium yamulka.

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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klewis@awinc.com (Ken Lewis) wrote:

>On 13 Sep 1996 23:06:26 +0100, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote:
>
>#rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) writes:
>#>He was not wearing a colander in Oakland, though it is possible that he
>#>was wearing lead underwear. 
>#
>#	Is it possible he had a lead ingot in his cranium?
>
>Is it possible his head _is_ a lead ingot?

Nice to see the iridium yamulkas, with the whirly-bird antennae, are
all functioning. The Tarantulas made it in record time!

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) wrote:

>I think she might have put it better, when discussing you, George, she said:
>
>"A coward is a coward is a coward."
>
>You're not just a braggart and a coward, George.  You're a liar, and proven to 
>be so.  
>
>Why don't you find a new name to hide behind?  Bear-boy's gotten old.  

Save some shekles, Joel. Get a solar power cell for your iridium
yamulka. In the long run, it's cheaper than 9-volts,
but not cheaper than your babble. NOTHING's cheaper than that!

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:

>In <323A1A0F.3AB6@ix.netcom.com> Skippy  writes:
>
>You lost credibility a long time ago, chum.

Ah, but you must admit that he's mastered the art of saying in 10
words, what might be said in 9!

"Ciceronian"? I don't recall Cicero writing _De Dementia_?

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      "Ursus Major"


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qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:

>In <13SEP199620275715@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu> dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) writes:
>
>!     I always found it puzzling how Milt could put together very persuasive
>!     logical written arguments yet seem to fail to see fallacies within his
>!     own logic.  I am still not quite sure whether he was blind to them or
>!     knew of the fallacies.
>
>And where was your praise of his nazism a few months ago?  Are you 
>now going to admit that you lied about pretending that he was stupid?
>
>Milton Kleim is trying to become a moderate racist.  I wish him
>success, it's a hard fight.  Society's hatred of racists reaches 
>it's epitomies with the moderates, it's practically illegal to be
>a moderate racist.  But there's a new time for everything!

How would you describe Rabbi Meyer Schiller?

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qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman OBC) wrote:

>In <32389e34.28828869@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes:
>
>So?  For a challenging book try Myth of the Twentieth Century by Alfred
>Rosenberg, spiritially deeper than any of that Jew crap you mentioned 
>before Re: Gustav Mahler, Steiner, James Levine, etc.

Was haben Komponisten und Dirigenten mit Schriftstellern zu tun?

Someone of your intellectual level is OBVIOUSLY more at home with
"Rosenberg, Joel" (pulp-Meister and Archi-Tarantula) than "Rosenberg,
Alfred," who was hanged at Nuremberg not so much for what he did--
actually, he did nothing: having no real authority--but for a literary
style so obtuse that the book was used in lieu of laudanum among
_Parteibonzen_. The difficulty in reading Rosenberg, Alfred is staying
awake. The difficulty in reading Rosenberg, Joel is keeping your
supper down.

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SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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>Dear Big Dipper:
>
>Why do you:
>1) Answer any insult or challenge by a Jew with anti-Semitism?
>2) Why do you revel in your mastery of a dead language used primarily
>by the most decadent society our world has ever known--and which your
>own ancestry destroyed?
>
>Just wondering,
>Randy Andy Mathis
>
Dear Randy Andy,

	You're going on a LAST name, which is paternal. There's also the
maternal last name, which was "da Senzi." _Capishe?_ (Sorry, but I
don't think it's anti-Semitic at all. Are Polish jokes REALLY virulent
anti-Slav propaganda. Losen up, Randy. Watch _The Life of Brian_
and _Annie Hall_. Losen up!)
	You're just pissed because the Romans booted the Jews out of
Palestine. The society wasn't decadent in the least. Even in booting
the Jews out, the Romans never persecuted them for their religion. The
Jews in Alexandria, for example, were uneffected. Besides, Titus sol-
ved the Sadducee-Pharasee conflict, didn't he? No temple, no Saddu-
cees! (Julian was going to rebuild the Temple for the Jews, but the
Christians killed him, before he had a chance.)

	Even as the Jew wisely revived Hebrew, formerly a dead language,
for Eretz Israel, so Latin should be revived as the common language of
_Magna Europea_. Too much speech-imperialism in English. There is
an enormous residuum of Latin in all Western languages, because it was
THE language of scholars until The Great Suicide Pact of 1914. As the
Roman Catholic Church has abandoned it, it no longer has any confes-
sional connotations: it IS the fundamental language of the West. (The
motto, by the way means "Many Peoples, One basic essence/race/stock."
(There's no English translations for stirp/s/es [all are correct], so
that's why it has been taken into English. Check out a large
dictionary. You'll find it there.)
	Communion requires communication. The revivial of Hebrew was a
brilliant solution. Latin is the logical choice for the _goyim_.

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MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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"'Tis a consummation, devoutly to be wished!"
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      "Ursus Major"


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>>Reclaim YOUR Gods, who were not vile, nor
>>diseased, nor mandators of genocide.
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Good thing you were vague here -- there's a chance that you didn't mean
>what I think you meant, which is good since that would be completely
>un-called-for, not to mention inaccurate.
>
Really? Check out _Deuteronomy_  xx 15-17.
Then you tell us what it means!

=====================================================


MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:

>I checked out the various Alaskan independence links.
>
>Though I think that the Aleuts and other Amerind tribes also deserve 
>their own nations -- separate from the Alaskan Republic -- I support the 
>concept in general, just as I do Quebec separatism in general.
>
>They are, potentially, nails in the coffins of multiculturalism, 
>multiracialism, world government, and the always concomitant tyranny.
>
>May the emergence of new nations on the soil of North America continue -- 
>rapidly.
>
>With all good wishes,
>
>Kevin: born and raised, Territory of Alaska, 1956
>-- 
>
>
>Kevin Alfred Strom

Most definately. It would be something like the Swiss Confederation.
The Alutes, et al. would have their "cantons." That's why Switzerland
WORKS, because the federal government plays a minimal role: 4
official languages, with a population less than Los Angeles County --
and the richest country in the world without any natural resources.
   The Alaskan Confederation could be a beacon to the world!
SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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shit@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote:

>ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
>
>>>>Look up the meaning of the word "gymnasium" (from it's roots)!
>>>>	(You can say the word "Christian" AND keep your dinner down.
>>>>	It ain't easy, but you can do it!)
>
>>>>SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>>>>        "Ursus Major"
>>>
>>>Quit trying to act "holier than thou".  You LOVE looking at pictures
>>>of nude men!!   Faggot - Pervert..  I'd rather be a jew than a
>>>degenerate like you.  
>>>
>>Run out and buy a copy of _The Pink Swastika_! It was written with you
>>in mind. (If things like this one are on the OUTSIDE, whom do they
>>have on the INSIDE?)
>
>>t-t-that's all folks! U.M. / GJL.
>
>Quit trying to avoid the facts - QUEER.  I've researched your post to
>the following newsgroups - remember!!?? 
>
>  alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.amateur.male
>  alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.gaymen
>  alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage
>  alt.sex.fetish.wrestling
>
>This is EXACTLY (copy/paste from post) what you posted:
>
>	O.K., FELLOW DEGENERATES, HERE'S THE REAL "HOW TO":
>
>	In order to view the GIF and JPG files (Windows 3.x or 95),  you need
>	a VIEWER and a better newsreader than comes with Netscape &
>	similar browsers. Any LVIEW will do as a viewer, and FREE AGENT
>	is the recommended newsreader. You can shop for these FOR FREE
>	at ==> http://www.tucows.com (go down to Windows Applications,
>	the Software (not utilities). Tucows is a great site!!!
>
>	Once you get your goodies, unzip both and install them. FREE AGENT
>	will explain how to make the connection between itself and the 	
>	viewer.  Follow the directions.
>
>	After you've logged in to your server w. your browser (that doesn't
>	decode, like crappy Netscape, which will one decode the first seg-
>	ment, and then gives you trash), fire up FREE AGENT. Use it as
>	your newsreader and NOT your normal browser. FREE AGENT
>	will automatically uudecode the binaries AND combine the segments:
>	..jpg [1/n], .jpg [2/n] ... .jpg [n/n] into ONE binary image. To 
>	invoke your viewer, you use hot-keys Sht+Ctl+B, and the complete 	
>	image will appear on the screen.
>
>	No, no money -- but if this has proved of value to you, you can 
>	e-mail me pics that I enjoy (but have a hard time finding): REAL m/m 
>	boxing & wrestling (in the buff), AUTHENTIC Military "in action" and 
>	similar VIRILE pics and drawings (NOT "Tom of Finland")  Thanks ...
>	and happy FREE viewing!
>
>You try to make yourself sound like an intellect, but your just shit
>in a bucket.  Queer - fag - deviate.  
>
>

SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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dmittleman@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:

>>How would you describe Rabbi Meyer Schiller?
>
>    I don't know who he is.
>
>                         daniel david mittleman 

Rabbi Meyer Schiller is an orthodox rabbi, who teaches at a yeshiva in
NYC. He is affilliated with _American Renaissance_, a white-national-
ist group. He agrees with Farrakhan that an "equitable paritioning" of
God's Own Funny Farm is in the best interest of all. Integration has
not worked and will not work. (Personally, I'm in favor of a voluntary
population exchange: we take the White from So. Africa, they get
the Negroes from the U.S.) One can contact Rabbi Schiller via
the American Renaissance web-site.

============================================

MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES!
      "Ursus Major"


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shit@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote:

>ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
>
>>>>Look up the meaning of the word "gymnasium" (from it's roots)!
>>>>	(You can say the word "Christian" AND keep your dinner down.
>>>>	It ain't easy, but you can do it!)
>
>>>>SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>>>>        "Ursus Major"
>>>
>>>Quit trying to act "holier than thou".  You LOVE looking at pictures
>>>of nude men!!   Faggot - Pervert..  I'd rather be a jew than a
>>>degenerate like you.  
>>>
>>Run out and buy a copy of _The Pink Swastika_! It was written with you
>>in mind. (If things like this one are on the OUTSIDE, whom do they
>>have on the INSIDE?)
>
>>t-t-that's all folks! U.M. / GJL.
>
>Quit trying to avoid the facts - QUEER.  I've researched your post to
>the following newsgroups - remember!!?? 
>
>  alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.amateur.male
>  alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.gaymen
>  alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage
>  alt.sex.fetish.wrestling
>
>This is EXACTLY (copy/paste from post) what you posted:
>
>	O.K., FELLOW DEGENERATES, HERE'S THE REAL "HOW TO":
>
>	In order to view the GIF and JPG files (Windows 3.x or 95),  you need
>	a VIEWER and a better newsreader than comes with Netscape &
>	similar browsers. Any LVIEW will do as a viewer, and FREE AGENT
>	is the recommended newsreader. You can shop for these FOR FREE
>	at ==> http://www.tucows.com (go down to Windows Applications,
>	the Software (not utilities). Tucows is a great site!!!
>
>	Once you get your goodies, unzip both and install them. FREE AGENT
>	will explain how to make the connection between itself and the 	
>	viewer.  Follow the directions.
>
>	After you've logged in to your server w. your browser (that doesn't
>	decode, like crappy Netscape, which will one decode the first seg-
>	ment, and then gives you trash), fire up FREE AGENT. Use it as
>	your newsreader and NOT your normal browser. FREE AGENT
>	will automatically uudecode the binaries AND combine the segments:
>	..jpg [1/n], .jpg [2/n] ... .jpg [n/n] into ONE binary image. To 
>	invoke your viewer, you use hot-keys Sht+Ctl+B, and the complete 	
>	image will appear on the screen.
>
>	No, no money -- but if this has proved of value to you, you can 
>	e-mail me pics that I enjoy (but have a hard time finding): REAL m/m 
>	boxing & wrestling (in the buff), AUTHENTIC Military "in action" and 
>	similar VIRILE pics and drawings (NOT "Tom of Finland")  Thanks ...
>	and happy FREE viewing!
>
>You try to make yourself sound like an intellect, but your just shit
>in a bucket.  Queer - fag - deviate.  
>
>
Obviously you're suffering from a SEVERE latency problem. As Sigmund
Freud said, the best way to get rid of temptation is to yield to it.
Play around, experiment. Get it out of your system. My idea is to give
people what they want (as long as they're adults). So huff and puff
and blow---the whole local basketball team, as far as I care.
(Maybe you should volunteer your services to some members of
_The Pink Swastika Set_!)
                                                          What a dork!

==========================================================

SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
        "Ursus Major"


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michael brown  wrote:

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WHITE AMERICAN COALITION

> >
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> > > > > > If one joins, does he get a WACCO Secret Decoder Ring? (Are Jim and Tammy Baker WACCOs?) ========================================================= SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Tue Sep 17 17:47:47 PDT 1996 Article: 29929 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!news.ececs.uc.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.music.black-metal,alt.christnet,rec.music.christian,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,soc.culture.israel,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.skinheads,talk.religion.islam,alt.zen,alt.censorship Subject: Re: RAPE JEHOVAH THE BITCH WHORE ENSLAVER Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:41:29 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <323ec258.49093612@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <51koci$quv@jerry.loop.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 17 10:46:00 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.christnet:105147 rec.music.christian:80812 soc.culture.israel:43377 alt.politics.nationalism.white:29929 alt.politics.white-power:43602 alt.skinheads:37666 alt.zen:18567 alt.censorship:101387 You're thinking of the Demi-Urge, Capricorne! _Diabolus est Deus Inversus_ Each Race-Soul requires its own pantheon. You howl and scream, because YOU won't let go of ol' Yaweh, the mandator of genocide. Let the scions of the wasteland gapple with the God of Guilt. (Remember that Jefferson threw the Torah in the trash, and cut out of the "Export Model" until it differed not from Epictetus.) Why do you howl, Tortured One? Leave them to their sado-masochistic word carvings, writing in agony, dripping blood. The Old Gods danced with naked feet. Would you not join in the dances? Be a satyr among satyrs, not a goat among Gallileans. Let them pound nails into each other -- _Imitatio Christi_. Dionysios calls, the real magic has occured: the juice of the grape Has been transformed into the Blood of Merry One. Let those who invented sin wallow in it. After all, it is their property. ========================================================= MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 18 09:13:00 PDT 1996 Article: 66542 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Fucking the skull of Jesus with a fork! Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:21:23 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 68 Message-ID: <323f9d54.39913777@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <323a148e.4114651@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <1996Sep15.103012.15804@ptolemy-ethernet.arc.nasa.gov> <323cf6a0.5578183@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <1996Sep17.014839.272@ptolemy-ethernet.arc.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca16-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 18 2:25:55 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30005 alt.christnet:105367 alt.christnet.ethics:3101 alt.politics.white-power:43658 alt.revisionism:66542 alt.skinheads:37707 rec.music.christian:80829 logan@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Logan Shaw) wrote: >In article <323cf6a0.5578183@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, >Ursus Major wrote: >>>>Reclaim YOUR Gods, who were not vile, nor >>>>diseased, nor mandators of genocide. >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>>Good thing you were vague here -- there's a chance that you didn't mean >>>what I think you meant, which is good since that would be completely >>>un-called-for, not to mention inaccurate. >>> >>Really? Check out _Deuteronomy_ xx 15-17. >>Then you tell us what it means! > >Hmm. I suppose you're right, in a sort of conditional way, the >conditions of course being: > >(1) these are instructions for what to do in time of war, >(2) the world was pretty brutal back then, and this was basically > standard practice, >and >(3) that it says to do so only "if they refuse to make peace and they > engage you in battle" (v. 12). > >So, the question becomes whether it was right for God to allow battles >in which people die for the sake of preventing these peoples' sin from >destroying the "holy nation" (Israel). And, of course, the truth is >that if God is the giver of life, then He is the one who can rightfully >take it away in the end -- whether by war or by food poisoning or >animal attack or whatever. > > - Logan Boy, don't ya love it, when the Bible Thumpers take their "Holy Writ" and LIE about it? Isn't that "sacriligious" or something like that? You give them the book--part of Torah, too!--the chapter AND the verses, and STILL they lie! Ol' Yaweh's VERY explicit: if the cities are "very far away," then Moishe's Mauraders are supposed to first offer them "peace" (i.e. slavery), and if they don't accept--kill ALL the males, but not the women and very small children. That's for the cities far away. But for the Seven Tribes of Cannan, there's to be no offer of peace, no sparing of ANYONE. "Everything that breathes" is to be put to death -- infants, males, females, "everything that breathes"! Babies breate, at least when I last checked they did. So it's TOTAL EXTERMINATION -- no ifs, ands, or buts! BUT NONE DARE CALL IT GENOCIDE, because the word wasn't invented until 1943. Ol Yaweh could have "smote" them Himself, right? But he didn't do it. He ordered the Red Sea Pedestrians to do His dirty work for him! What other God (why should the Jew god be the only one accorded a capital letter?) EVER gave a mandate like that? Apollo, Zeus, Odin? Find ONE in any other mythology which DEMANDED extermination of whole populations. If you find one, do let me know. In the meantime, you'd better go back and re-read the verses cited: that's _Deuteronomy_ xx 15-17 ... sometimes known as The Final Solution to the Cannanite Problem. Amen! =============================================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 18 09:13:01 PDT 1996 Article: 66581 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!eloi.vir.com!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!n1van.istar!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet Subject: Re: FUCK YOU CHRISTIANS! (was Re: Fucking the skull of Jesus with a fork! Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:29:35 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 77 Message-ID: <323fa353.41447833@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <09SEP96.14484396.0075@IBM.UTM.EDU> <512cjl$k0l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <517g6v$g2c@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <51ar5e$3h4@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <51cu9t$qjj@jerry.loop.net> <51de82$bt1@news-e2b.gnn.com> <51dp4c$7vg@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <51einu$s8e@news1.gte.net> <323ad3cd.2476513@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51etdf$4dl@news1.gte.net> <323b2087.8304275@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51faol$cj2@news1.gte.net> <323bf627.25926687@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51i7v2$5l1@news1.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca16-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 18 12:34:08 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30023 alt.christnet:105430 alt.christnet.ethics:3105 alt.politics.white-power:43679 alt.revisionism:66581 alt.skinheads:37717 rec.music.christian:80832 shit@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote: >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote: > >>>>Look up the meaning of the word "gymnasium" (from it's roots)! >>>> (You can say the word "Christian" AND keep your dinner down. >>>> It ain't easy, but you can do it!) > >>>>SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! >>>> "Ursus Major" >>> >>>Quit trying to act "holier than thou". You LOVE looking at pictures >>>of nude men!! Faggot - Pervert.. I'd rather be a jew than a >>>degenerate like you. >>> >>Run out and buy a copy of _The Pink Swastika_! It was written with you >>in mind. (If things like this one are on the OUTSIDE, whom do they >>have on the INSIDE?) > >>t-t-that's all folks! U.M. / GJL. > >Quit trying to avoid the facts - QUEER. I've researched your post to >the following newsgroups - remember!!?? > > alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.amateur.male > alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.gaymen > alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bondage > alt.sex.fetish.wrestling > >This is EXACTLY (copy/paste from post) what you posted: > > O.K., FELLOW DEGENERATES, HERE'S THE REAL "HOW TO": > > In order to view the GIF and JPG files (Windows 3.x or 95), you need > a VIEWER and a better newsreader than comes with Netscape & > similar browsers. Any LVIEW will do as a viewer, and FREE AGENT > is the recommended newsreader. You can shop for these FOR FREE > at ==> http://www.tucows.com (go down to Windows Applications, > the Software (not utilities). Tucows is a great site!!! > > Once you get your goodies, unzip both and install them. FREE AGENT > will explain how to make the connection between itself and the > viewer. Follow the directions. > > After you've logged in to your server w. your browser (that doesn't > decode, like crappy Netscape, which will one decode the first seg- > ment, and then gives you trash), fire up FREE AGENT. Use it as > your newsreader and NOT your normal browser. FREE AGENT > will automatically uudecode the binaries AND combine the segments: > ..jpg [1/n], .jpg [2/n] ... .jpg [n/n] into ONE binary image. To > invoke your viewer, you use hot-keys Sht+Ctl+B, and the complete > image will appear on the screen. > > No, no money -- but if this has proved of value to you, you can > e-mail me pics that I enjoy (but have a hard time finding): REAL m/m > boxing & wrestling (in the buff), AUTHENTIC Military "in action" and > similar VIRILE pics and drawings (NOT "Tom of Finland") Thanks ... > and happy FREE viewing! > >You try to make yourself sound like an intellect, but your just shit >in a bucket. Queer - fag - deviate. > ======================================================== (yawn) ... It seems to me you're suffering from a SEVERE latency problem. The best way to dispell that is to yield to it. Get it out of your system. You could, for example, offer oral "accommodations" to the members of the basket-ball team. (Oral is not only moral, it's safer: no chance of getting AIDS.) But don't burp after you swallow. That's really bad form! (Wadda yahoo!) ========================================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 18 09:52:11 PDT 1996 Article: 30021 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!voskovec.radio.cz!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: wash.politics,us.politics.bob-dole,tx.politics,triangle.politics,talk.politics.theory,talk.politics.misc,talk.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.guns,talk.politics,seattle.politics,scruz.politics,ri.politics,or.politics,ny.politics,nj.politics,ne.politics,mn.politics,dfw.politics,dc.politics,co.politics,ca.politics,ba.politics,az.politics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich,alt.politics.usa.misc,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.usa.congress,alt.politics.usa,alt.politics.reform,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.perot,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.media,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics.homosexuality,alt.politics.greens,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.elections,alt.politics.democrats.d,alt.politics.datahighway,alt.politics.correct,alt.politics.clinton,alt.politics.nationalism.texas,uk.politics.constitution Subject: Re: EXCLUDED FROM THE PHONY DEBATE, LET US DEFEAT CLINTON-DOLE! Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:40:24 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <323fa5e1.42102593@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <322732B1.506A@panix.com> <322794D9.47BB@anet-dfw.com> <3227C68B.6B9C@visi.com> <32285883.139035659@news.alt.net> <322a06f1.0@news.nethawk.com> <50qff0$eum@jerry.loop.net> <323260EE.11690809@cuy.net> <50uj0g$vu@news.ios.com> <323B773C.18D@nando.net> <323b7b2b.11143787@nntp.crl.com> <323DC93F.2CE9@ix.netcom.com> <51l5eo$h1r@nadine.teleport.com> <51n366$a85@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca16-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 18 2:44:56 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.politics.theory:80792 talk.politics.misc:462539 talk.politics.libertarian:124807 talk.politics.guns:314944 alt.politics.white-power:43677 alt.politics.usa.republican:283863 alt.politics.usa.newt-gingrich:81477 alt.politics.usa.misc:112424 alt.politics.usa.constitution:91013 alt.politics.usa.congress:65625 alt.politics.reform:97019 alt.politics.radical-left:119580 alt.politics.perot:56058 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30021 alt.politics.media:12658 alt.politics.libertarian:212063 alt.politics.homosexuality:114290 alt.politics.greens:16758 alt.politics.elections:76955 alt.politics.democrats.d:123882 alt.politics.datahighway:18117 alt.politics.correct:137645 alt.politics.clinton:295130 Anyone who believes there's more than one "major party" in God's Own Imperium--call it the "Republocrats" or the "Demopublicans"--probably buys Joel Rosenberg novels. It's an expensive Roman circus. That's all it is. As H.L. Mencken correctly observed, it's "the art of running the circus from the monkey cage"! Ask P.J. O'Rourke! ======================================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 18 20:03:40 PDT 1996 Article: 30090 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power Subject: NATIONALIST PARTY TO HOLD CONVENTION IN CLAREMONT, CA 9/21 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:53:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 11 Message-ID: <323ec72e.50331841@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Sep 17 10:58:04 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Natcon 96, the first annual National Party conference will be held 9/21 at the Claremont Inn, in Claremont, CA from noon until 6 p.m. The conference price is $10 ($15 per couple). For more information, on can call (909) 514-4060, send e-mail to natlprty@cyberg8t.com or visit the National Party website: http://www.cyberg8t.com/natlprty ================================================================ MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 19 07:40:55 PDT 1996 Article: 66745 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nova.thezone.net!hookup!news.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: George J. Lehmann is proven a liar, yet again. Quite easily. Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:28:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3240a0c6.9821853@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32337fc1.35001670@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32357c45.28895877@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <323721dc.19808750@news.spry.com> <323bfd9f.27838406@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51iaiq$fhi@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca19-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 18 8:33:32 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30133 alt.revisionism:66745 rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote: >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes: >>There's no direct URL involved: it's part of the univ. resource >>facility running under Nexus. One of the listings is "The Library of >>Congress" -- up comes a screen and one can search by author, >>keyword, that sort of thing. Enter "Rosenberg, Joel"; got "no matching >>item" as a response. > >You need to read the help screen for information of formulating a proper >query. > >-rich Thanks for the suggestion. I think is has to do with filtering on the part of the univ. computer center. (They filter the UseNet, for rather obvious reasons.) Probably pulp-fiction is simply filtered out. Other engines may be less selective. I'm not familiar with them. Thanks for the tip, anyway. ============================================ SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 19 07:40:56 PDT 1996 Article: 66779 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet Subject: Re: Hitler was a Christain Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:22:28 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 128 Message-ID: <324112f9.9094646@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <09SEP96.14484396.0075@IBM.UTM.EDU> <512cjl$k0l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <517g6v$g2c@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <51ar5e$3h4@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <51cu9t$qjj@jerry.loop.net> <51de82$bt1@news-e2b.gnn.com> <51dp4c$7vg@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <324084A6.80A@avana.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca13-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 19 3:27:06 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30155 alt.christnet:105837 alt.christnet.ethics:3122 alt.politics.white-power:43782 alt.revisionism:66779 alt.skinheads:37774 rec.music.christian:80849 Chris DeNeve wrote: >Jean A Robards wrote: >> >> > Let me tell you one thing, you satanist dick: I may have agreed >> with some things you have >> >posted on white power NG's, but at this point we diverge! >> > It is one thing to dislike others because of their race; to >> distrust others because of >> >their culture, to categorize others based on their heritage... >> >> uh....it's the same thing dickwad >> >> > But to embrace your religion is to walk into the grasp of utter >> chaos and despair! Even >> >the racial differences fought over here pale next to your destructive >> belief!! >> > Even the most extreme blacks and the most merciless whites >> believe in the the same God... >> >> Wrong buddy.Sure,the dumb-ass coons and the ignorant kike whites >> worship the CHRISTIAN GOD who is a JEWISH GOD and JESUS WAS A KIK. So >> FUCK you and your jewish god!!! >> >> >your satanist crap has NO place even here!!! >> >> Wrong.What rock have you been hiding under? The ns/fascist movement >> is more and more anti-christian every minute... >> >> > Remember: Satan himself was a former angel fallen from the >> Kingdom of God-- a REJECT from >> >the ultimate power.. >> >> Stop reading jewish myths >> >> a defeated rebel whose ultimate fate is even still dictated by his >> >master. You cannot get the masses to follow you-- for even though we >> are sinful, it takes >> >a certain kind of scum to embrace Satan... >> >> No.It takes a strong mind and an iron will...something you lack. >> >> > >> >John 3:16... >> >Read it and weep, Sodomizer!! >> > >> >Asshole. >> > >> > >> >> Fuck the bible. >> >> > >> > >> >"Far better it is to dare mighty things- >> > than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits >> > who know neither victory nor defeat." >> > -Theodore Roosevelt >> > >> >> Quit qoeting anti-christian freemansons! >> >> HAIL SATAN! WHITE POWER! HAIL GOAT! > > >You nut! Adolf Hitler himself was a Christain if you ever read his book >"mein kampf" you would see. >This satan worshiping shit will only bring your fascist/white power >movement down. >I don't think freedom of religion applies to satan worshipers Hitler was, in all likelihood converted to some esoteric branch of Tibetan Tantraism by Dieftrich Erhardt, whom he met shorty after his return to Munich, which was in the middle of a mini-civil war. There were only two people Hitler used the familiar "du" with. One was said Erhardt, the other was Ernst Roehm (who ORDERED Hitler to join the NSDAP). There are a lot of bizarre occult circumstances surrounding Hitler. For one thing, he was considered "totally expendible" by the Germany army (being unmarried and not highly educated). For that reason, he was posted as a courier: the MOS most likely to snuff it. The morality rate amoung couriers was astronomical, yet Hitler sur- vived 4 years in a duty station which should have made him a statistic in 4 days. He even regained his sight, after being gassed. Erhardt was a member of the pre-war Thule Society, an occult group, typical of many which enjoyed a vogue before The Great Suicide Pact. (Yeates, the Irish poet, and Aleistar Crowly, the "Beast" as he called himself were also into this.) There's no indication of Hitler being a vegetarian, total abstainer and celibate PRIOR to meeting up with Er- hardt. Erhard probably was impressed by the extreme unlikihood of Hitler having survived the war at all, and convinced A.H. that he was a Messiah. Hitler was, even more than Mussolini, the most charismatic person, certainly of modern times. He was positively protean: deliver- ing speeches >exactly< in tune with his audience. From Party Member #7 in a pathetic organization, he was able within a few years to con- vert none other than Ludendorff to his side. (Ludendorff later broke w. Hitler, and L's wife, who lived considerably longer, kept going around talking about "Tibetan demons"[??] Shamanism played a major role in Hitler's MO. The "Blood Flag" was a mystical totum, and as various Nazi units were formed, the Shaman Hitler would consecrate their colors by holding the sacred Blood Flag (carried in the 1923 abortive putch) in one had and the flag of the new unit in the other: for the "mystical power" could only pass through his person. There is certainly a great deal of "religiosity" in this; however, it is >definately< not Christian. There's no ques- tion the ceremony was to be looked on as a >religious< event, for the German word used was >Einweihung< = consecration. This is taken from the R.C. (as Hitler was baptized) and other transubstantiation sects (Lutheran, Anglican, Episcopanian) which hold that the bread and wine are ACTUALLY transformed into the body and blood of Christ. Unlike Mussolini, who was an open atheist, Hitler often made refer- ence to "Providence," but it was a vague theistic term. His behavior as regards the established churches was for the most part "correct": thus he attended the memorial service for George V in Berlin's Angli- can cathedral. Monks and nuns bothered him, and the Jesuits were as welcome as the Jews. (One of the first inmates of Dachau, the first concentration camp, was the Sec. to the Cardinal-Archbishop of Munich, as the Archbishop had openly denounced the Nazis as "pagans," but was too high a personage to arrest--so his secretary got interned.) There's no question that he saw himself as a Mosaic figure, and until late 1942, there was little to negate that self-formed image. ====================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 19 07:59:18 PDT 1996 Article: 30136 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: rec.music.rem,rec.music.christian,alt.zen,alt.skinheads,alt.satanism,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.black,alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,alt.psychoactives,alt.parents-teens,alt.music.black-metal,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick,alt.geek,alt.flame,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.evil,alt.christnet,alt.blasphemy,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.atheism,alt.2600,alt.wired,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.christnet.theology,alt.fan.oj-simpson,talk.religion.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.african-american,alt.flame,alt.destroy.the.usa,alt.nuke.the.earth Subject: Re: Take the Oath of Heresy: DEFECATE in the mouth of JEHOVAH Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:21:49 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 58 Message-ID: <32409f18.9391570@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <31A17CB0.1FF8@infinet.com> <-2205960826590001@pool045.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <31A369DB.1BF7@infinet.com> <4o2hss$jp8@ginger.lei.net> <-2405960508040001@pool012.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <4o48ts$iq3@ginger.lei.net> <-2405961306310001@pool047.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <4o5s5c$23i@nuntius.u-net.net> <4o6d88$7sc@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <31BCE39A.3ABC@one.net> <31c1d6de.14978818@sylvania.sev.org> <31C2DE92.4291@msn.com> <4put52$fm7@vivaldi.telepac.pt> <31CF7B5C.84E@internetmci.com> <50vp8f$gfg@news.cais.com> <515j9m$f814@canb.cin.gov.au> <32388EED.362D@geocities.com> <32398A51.75FA@humboldt1.com> <51a7dd$v88@camel3.mindspring.com> <323E686B.3EA5@enternet.co.nz> <51nvpn$afc@jerry.loop.net> <51paib$9db@news1.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca19-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 18 6:26:26 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca rec.music.rem:24586 rec.music.christian:80846 alt.zen:18608 alt.skinheads:37763 alt.satanism:32813 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:16723 alt.religion.scientology:191726 alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan:10471 alt.psychoactives:13788 alt.parents-teens:12055 alt.magick:53633 alt.geek:8151 alt.flame:25830 alt.fan.oj-simpson:50814 alt.evil:23605 alt.christnet:105781 alt.bible.prophecy:7529 alt.atheism:48975 alt.2600:110042 alt.wired:37353 alt.christnet.ethics:3118 alt.christnet.theology:23063 talk.religion.misc:149904 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30136 alt.politics.white-power:43768 soc.culture.israel:43461 shitt@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote: >goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote: > > >>>New Zealand >>...is the true home of the devil. > >>God is no good to you, >>He's no good to me, >>He is a controller man, >>We need to be free. > >>RISE UP AGAINST THE ENSLAVER >>TAKE THE OATH TO DEFILE CHRIST: >>'HAVOHEJ HEWHAY, DONKEY-LORD OF THE WEAKLINGS, LUDICROUS LEADER OF THE >>AMBITIONLESS, SLAVEMASTER OF THE OBLIVIOUS, WHIPPING MASOCHIST OF ALL >>LIFE, LET YOUR HANDS BE STAINED WITH THE BLACK SHIT OF MY HATRED AS I >>DESECRATE YOUR WORKS ONE AND ALL WITH MY SCORN AS AN AUTONOMOUS >>THINKING MACHINE! FUCK GOD!' > >>Hehehe...a nice turd for you folks out at uu.net, who engage in >>utterly fascist marketing policies and policies of intimidation which >>CLEARLY violate anti-trust law of the uNITED sTATES of aMERIKA. > >> Walk into evil's lair... >> 666 > >Mr. Goat, DAMN IT... Quit hiding from me. Right now I feel like >defecating in YOUR mouth. You're trying to ignore me. Look, all I >want are my lotto numbers. Is that too much to ask for? Is that TOO >MUCH to ask from satan? Does he want a soul in return for my lotto >numbers? I'll tell you what, tell him I'll give him my >brother-in-law's soul for my numbers, OK? The lotto drawing is >tonight and I don't want to miss it. Oh yea, I almost forgot. >There's two guys in the mail room at work that want lotto numbers too. >So, if you could just TRIPLE the order on lotto numbers, it would be >appreciated. Just don't lie to me, telling me I'll find cocaine on my >dresser or any shit like that. That PISSED me off. I'm being sincere >with you and I expect the same from you. You know, I just wonder why >it is that people like fortune tellers and psychic readers can tell >everybody else's future, but they can't make themselves rich. Hey, >I'm going right to the top (or bottom so-to-speak) in getting help to >get my lotto numbers. If the devil won't do it, who will? If he >CAN'T do it, then he's a FAKE, which means YOUR a fake. Which will >also mean your name really isn't Mr. Goat.. which will in turn PISS >ME OFF!!! DON'T PISS ME OFF MR. GOAT.....GET ME MY FUCKING LOTTO >NUMBERS OR ELSE......... > =============================================================== YOUR Lotto numbers are obviously 6, 9, 69, 15 (6+9), 3 (9-6), and 1 ( probably most of the time!) Wadda Dork! ============================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 19 09:34:24 PDT 1996 Article: 66811 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.structured.net!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: George J. Lehmann is proven a liar, yet again. Quite easily. Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:24:33 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <323e0ac8.6494606@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32337fc1.35001670@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <511vsl$r5k@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <3234d47c.27161016@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32357c45.28895877@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <323721dc.19808750@news.spry.com> <323bfd9f.27838406@nntp.i NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca19-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 16 9:29:05 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30180 alt.revisionism:66811 ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) wrote: >In article <51inl4$ms9@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes: >>From: libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) >>Subject: Re: George J. Lehmann is proven a liar, yet again. Quite easily. >>Date: 16 Sep 1996 05:13:08 GMT > >>Ursus Major (ursus_m@ix.netcom.com) wrote: > >>: There's no direct URL involved: it's part of the univ. resource >>: facility running under Nexus. One of the listings is "The Library of >>: Congress" -- up comes a screen and one can search by author, >>: keyword, that sort of thing. Enter "Rosenberg, Joel"; got "no matching >>: item" as a response. > >>Then you need to chat with your systems people. > >>Bill > >Well, sure, if he's going to keep up the charade, he could pretend to talk to >the systems people. What would be refreshing, though, would be if he were >to admit that he up and lied. > Like I said, perhaps the university's system screens out pulp fiction. They certainly have a tight control on NewsGroups. One can't get this NG or most "controversial" NGs there. (I doubt if "The Exterminator" series would come up, yet it sells in the same places as Rosenberg's _opera magna_, it would seem.) ================================================================ MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 19 15:36:36 PDT 1996 Article: 30213 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!imci2!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power Subject: Re: NATIONALIST PARTY TO HOLD CONVENTION IN CLAREMONT, CA 9/21 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:08:52 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <32409ac2.8281866@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <323ec72e.50331841@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51ndsa$qv1@news1.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca19-06.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 18 8:13:27 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: >Do attendees get to bring live Jewish and black targets for the rifle >range, as at other "Nationalist" conventions? Why don't you check them out, before you shoot off your mouth, Randy? You'll find they have no sympathy for anti-Semitism, anti-Negro (sorry, I don't use the words "black" or "gay." In the case of "black," it's because there's too much in the Collective Unconscious that associates "black" with "evil": black-hearted, black magic, etc. Thurgood Marshall always used "Negro" in his opinions from the U.S. Supreme Court. Obviously the word is not slanderous.) Don't confuse them with hate-groups like The Natl. White-Peoples' Party and such. Check out their website, and stop acting like such a _meshuggeneh_! >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote: > >>Natcon 96, the first annual National Party conference will be held >>9/21 at the Claremont Inn, in Claremont, CA from noon until 6 p.m. > >>The conference price is $10 ($15 per couple). For more information, >>on can call (909) 514-4060, send e-mail to natlprty@cyberg8t.com >>or visit the National Party website: http://www.cyberg8t.com/natlprty ========================================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Thu Sep 19 15:36:37 PDT 1996 Article: 30214 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sgi.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: The IHR is an antisemitic organization. George Lehmann is an antisemite. And the Grand Canyon appears largish when viewed from certain angles. Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:28:43 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 30 Message-ID: <32410fd6.8291587@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <50srkr$4j1@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <512ns5$4qb2@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <50srkr$4j1@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <512ns5$4qb2@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <5177vm$9jl@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <51iajf$2qro@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <51k37i$dmb@bell.maths.tcd.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca13-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 19 4:33:18 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30214 alt.revisionism:66880 dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) wrote: >gmcfee@ibm.net (Gord McFee) writes: >>I think we have Mr. Irving fairly close. I just posted that he is a Holocaust >>denier, and he has said that he will sue anyone who calls him that, so I am >>sure the papers will be forthcoming any day now. > > So, the Holocaust denier David Irving will sue anyone who calls him >a Holocaust denier? Then David Irving, who is a Holocaust denier, hasn't a leg >to stand on. (Perhaps ZOG pulled the carpet out from underneath Holocaust >deniers, such as David Irving.) > > C'mon David Irving, sue me, you Holocaust denier!!! > > Derek Oh, why don't you say what you REALLY mean: Holoheretic. The whole thing's an ersatz-religion. You know that, I know that, and High Priestess Debbie Lipstadt spells it out: you can't have two sides to a RELIGION, merely the orthodox ("Affirmers") and heretics ("Deniers"). You call it a museum--horse puckies!--it's a Temple. No Temple in Jerusalem, but one in Washington D.C. (Holocaustomania isn't the same as Judaism, because there are Jews who are Holoheretics. Besides, Judaism is a tolerant religion. Holocaustomania is as bigoted as they come. ) Looks like time for send out a "mayday" to the Tarantulas! ================================================================= SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 20 01:15:47 PDT 1996 Article: 66998 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!swrinde!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: George J. Lehmann is proven a liar, yet again. Quite easily. Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:32:39 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3241abaf.3702604@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32337fc1.35001670@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <511vsl$r5k@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <3234d47c.27161016@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32357c45.28895877@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <323721dc.19808750@news.spry.com> <323bfd9f.27838406@nntp.i NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca14-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Sep 19 3:37:16 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30277 alt.revisionism:66998 ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) wrote: >In article <51s0d2$6pj@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes: >>From: libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) >>Subject: Re: George J. Lehmann is proven a liar, yet again. Quite easily. >>Date: 19 Sep 1996 17:37:38 GMT > >>CHRIST SODOMIZER (goat@anus.com) wrote: > >>: Sounds like he was using some specialized library research system. Of >>: course they didn't index fiction, especially fiction from unabashedly >>: pulp genres. > >>I've never heard of an engine that searches the LC catalog and the >>filters out the fiction; if you have, I'd be interested in knowing >>about it. > >>By the way--you're kind of snobby for a guy who's handle is Goat Anus, >>aren't you? > >I noticed that two, but only by indirection -- I've had him killfiled for >awhile now. > >But it is a strange notion, though, that somebody linking their library to the >Library of Congress database would go to the trouble to make sure that some >books aren't findable. I guess Goat doesn't know a lot about computers, >though. > Universities routinely filter items. I can see why pulp fiction might be filtered: they don't want the _tsurris_ from parents, if sonny finds out how to order _Wanda and her Wanton Whips_ or _Naked Cubscout Run Amok_. That's the reason they also filter UseNet: certain "adult" newsgroups being dangerous to their image: "Univ. allows access to kiddie-porn" is ALL they need to see in the yellow press. As Avon is the label for the Hearst syndicate's penny- dreadfuls, perhaps they'd rather be safe than sorry. In any event, it is pretty well proven that, a) Rosenburg writes pulp fiction. b) The Univ. system either filters it out or I wasn't using it correctly: for the result of the search was "no matching entry." =================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 20 09:44:30 PDT 1996 Article: 67027 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.abs.net!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: George J. Lehmann is proven a liar, yet again. Quite easily. Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:41:02 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 52 Message-ID: <32426550.5265165@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32337fc1.35001670@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <511vsl$r5k@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <3234d47c.27161016@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32357c45.28895877@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <323721dc.19808750@news.spry.com> <323bfd9f.27838406@nntp.i <3241abaf.3702604@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51ss0s$aov@lendl.cc.emory.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 20 4:45:39 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30287 alt.revisionism:67027 libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: >Ursus Major (ursus_m@ix.netcom.com) wrote: >Joel wrote: > >: >But it is a strange notion, though, that somebody linking their library to the >: >Library of Congress database would go to the trouble to make sure that some >: >books aren't findable. I guess Goat doesn't know a lot about computers, >: >though. >: > >: Universities routinely filter items. I can see why pulp fiction might >: be filtered: they don't want the _tsurris_ from parents, if sonny >: finds out how to order _Wanda and her Wanton Whips_ or >: _Naked Cubscout Run Amok_. That's the reason they also filter >: UseNet: certain "adult" newsgroups being dangerous to their image: > >They don't "filter" certain newsgroups, Bear-Boy--they just don't >carry them. That's a simple matter. On the other hand, setting >up a front end for the Library of Congress catalog which would >identify all the "pulp fiction" and filter it out of the search >results would be a demanding task, requiring quite a bit of >coding. Not to mention the groundbreaking AI research needed >to teach a computer to recognize "pulp fiction." From the title >field. > >: a) Rosenburg writes pulp fiction. > >Haven't read Joel's stuff, so I can't comment. If he does, and >he's good at it, what's your beef? > >: b) The Univ. system either filters it out or I wasn't using it >: correctly: for the result of the search was "no matching entry." > >The first is highly unlikely--nigh onto impossible. I don't know >why the University would go to all the trouble of designing a >program to search the LC catalog when the LC already has one up >and running; maybe they did, though, and maybe it's so user-unfriendly >that you glitched a simple author search. I dunno. > >Bill Maybe I did. I just followed the instructions and up came "no matching entry." I suppose one way to check this would be to stop in at an "adult" bookstore, note the title of some copywrited offering, and see if the work of "literature" comes up under title search. Everything copyrited in the U.S. has to be deposited with the Lib. of Congress. ========================================================= MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 20 13:18:45 PDT 1996 Article: 30337 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: rec.music.rem,rec.music.christian,alt.zen,alt.skinheads,alt.satanism,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.black,alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,alt.psychoactives,alt.parents-teens,alt.music.black-metal,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick,alt.geek,alt.flame,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.evil,alt.christnet,alt.blasphemy,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.atheism,alt.2600,alt.wired,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.christnet.theology,alt.fan.oj-simpson,talk.religion.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.african-american,alt.flame,alt.destroy.the.usa,alt.nuke.the.earth Subject: Re: Take the Oath of Heresy: DEFECATE in the mouth of JEHOVAH Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:47:15 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <324267c3.5892189@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <31A17CB0.1FF8@infinet.com> <-2205960826590001@pool045.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <31A369DB.1BF7@infinet.com> <4o2hss$jp8@ginger.lei.net> <-2405960508040001@pool012.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <4o48ts$iq3@ginger.lei.net> <-2405961306310001@pool047.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <4o5s5c$23i@nuntius.u-net.net> <4o6d88$7sc@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <31BCE39A.3ABC@one.net> <31c1d6de.14978818@sylvania.sev.org> <31C2DE92.4291@msn.com> <4put52$fm7@vivaldi.telepac.pt> <31CF7B5C.84E@internetmci.com> <50vp8f$gfg@news.cais.com> <515j9m$f814@canb.cin.gov.au> <32388EED.362D@geocities.com> <32398A51.75FA@humboldt1.com> <51a7dd$v88@camel3.mindspring.com> <323E686B.3EA5@enternet.co.nz> <51nvpn$afc@jerry.loop.net> <51paib$9db@news1.gte.net> <32409f18.9391570@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51sh87$73o@news1.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-07.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 20 4:51:53 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca rec.music.rem:24597 rec.music.christian:80881 alt.zen:18640 alt.skinheads:37848 alt.satanism:32864 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:16740 alt.religion.scientology:192096 alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan:10517 alt.psychoactives:13816 alt.parents-teens:12080 alt.magick:53694 alt.geek:8160 alt.flame:25953 alt.fan.oj-simpson:50832 alt.evil:23642 alt.christnet:106377 alt.bible.prophecy:7659 alt.atheism:49356 alt.2600:110068 alt.wired:37382 alt.christnet.ethics:3166 alt.christnet.theology:23157 talk.religion.misc:150310 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30337 alt.politics.white-power:43926 soc.culture.israel:43578 shitt@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote: > >YOUR Lotto numbers are obviously 6, 9, 69, 15 (6+9), 3 (9-6), and 1 >( probably most of the time!) > Wadda Dork! > >============================================== > >SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! > "Ursus Major" > >OH, it's the FAG again. Look queer, I have NO pictures of naked >wrestling men, OK. However, Mr. Goat did say he had a 12 inch cock, >maybe HE can help you out. > ============================================================= Don't work about it. You'd be safe in ANY crowd! SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 20 18:38:17 PDT 1996 Article: 67164 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!news.ececs.uc.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet Subject: Re: Hitler was a Christain Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:21:35 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 98 Message-ID: <3242d745.33797274@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <09SEP96.14484396.0075@IBM.UTM.EDU> <512cjl$k0l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <517g6v$g2c@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <51ar5e$3h4@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <51cu9t$qjj@jerry.loop.net> <51de82$bt1@news-e2b.gnn.com> <51dp4c$7vg@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <324084A6.80A@avana.net> <324112f9.9094646@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca8-09.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 20 1:26:16 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30376 alt.christnet:106473 alt.christnet.ethics:3176 alt.politics.white-power:43955 alt.revisionism:67164 alt.skinheads:37860 rec.music.christian:80890 schwartz@infinet.com wrote: >In article <324112f9.9094646@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, ursus_m@ix.netcom.com >(Ursus Major) wrote: > > >> Hitler was, in all likelihood converted to some esoteric branch of >> Tibetan Tantraism by Dieftrich Erhardt, > >Dietrich ECKART. If you're gonna make up a story about Eckart and Roehm >(ORDERED Hitler to join the NSDAP?!?), at least SPELL HIS NAME RIGHT. > According to Taylor, that was the case. Roehm was an ex-major and keeping track of political orgs. during the chaos period (after the "Raeterrepublik." Hitler worked for Roehm, who told him to join this miniscule party (Hitler was member #7), because of the "Socialist" in the name. It wasn't too long before Hitler ousted the former head and took charge. His charismatic speeches drew large audiences, and much opposition. Roehm, therefore, organized the S.A. as a protection unit. (Later, the S.A. would bust-up opposition movements.) A major fight over who was running the show caused Roehm to resign and take a job in Bolivia. Finally, Hitler pleaded with him to come back and take over the S.A., promising Roehm complete autonomy. Roehm returned and whipped the S.A. into shape. The personal loyalty of the S.A. to Roehm caused Hitler to form the S.S. (nominally under Roehm). Roehm detested the aristocratic-dominated >Reichswehr<, and envisioned a "Second Rev- olution." This was anathema to the regular army and the conservatives in general. Himmler and Heydrich of the S.S. (along with a couple turncoats from the S.A.) created evidence of a "coup" being planned. Despite some initial misgivings and a desperate attempt to get the S.A. to give up its loyalty to Roehm, Hitler finally went along with "The Night of Long Knives": a purge not only of the S.A., but also of the entire "socialist" wing of the party (Strasser, etc.) and conser- vatives at odds with Hitler (Schleicher, etc.). Most of the S.A. leaders were shot out of hand, but Roehm was placed in a cell, with a loaded pistol. He defiantly retorted that, "If Hitler want's me dead, let him come and do the deed himself." A.H. was too squeemish for that, it seems, and Roehm was shot through the opening by hit-men. (Moral: Watch out when a dictator gets chummy!) >whom he met shorty after his >> return to Munich, which was in the middle of a mini-civil war. There >> were only two people Hitler used the familiar "du" with. One was said >> Erhardt, the other was Ernst Roehm (who ORDERED Hitler to join the >> NSDAP). There are a lot of bizarre occult circumstances surrounding >> Hitler. For one thing, he was considered "totally expendible" by the >> Germany army (being unmarried and not highly educated). For that >> reason, he was posted as a courier: the MOS most likely to snuff it. >> The morality rate amoung couriers was astronomical, yet Hitler sur- >> vived 4 years in a duty station which should have made him a statistic > >Please provide the document that claims Hitler was "totally expendable." Simply how military organizations work--then and now. Those married and with dependents are less expendable than those unmarried, no de- pendents, and not highly educated. Besides, Hitler was a foreigner: a subject of Franz-Josef. AH didn't become a German citizen until 1930, and then by a loop-hole in the law. >Hitler volunteered for the courier (or trench runner) position himself. >His two main trench-running comrades, Schmidt and Bachmann ALSO survived >the war. Maybe the three of them didn't go on the most dangerous missions? Actually, the feeling (reported) is that AH was considered lucky in the extreme. Soldiers kept around him BECAUSE it seemed neither a bullet nor a shell had his name on it. Look at the fact that he recovered his sight after being gassed. While not a miracle, it was certainly uncommon to emerge with perfect vision. I can see why others would volunteer to keep close to someone who seemed to have a guardian angel (or demon: is there a difference) protecting him. You're still avoiding the influence of Eckhardt on Hitler, the Thule Society, all the other references made. This is typical of Tarantula Tactics: you avoid the heart of the issue--whether AH had adopted some form of Tantraism, and focus on incidentals of no major import. Do the Tarantulas attend some sort of "academy" to perfect their tactics of Deflection, or is in a Home-Study >Shul >Hmm? > >Sara -- (by choice and not forced upon you, one assumes). > >-- >"I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy." > Samuel Butler > "If you can't ATTACK, DISTRACT!" -- Tarantula's Handbook, pg 147. =========================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 00:03:29 PDT 1996 Article: 67206 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: George J. Lehmann is proven a liar, yet again. Quite easily. Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:29:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 66 Message-ID: <32430c49.1690591@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32337fc1.35001670@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <511vsl$r5k@bell.maths.tcd.ie> <3234d47c.27161016@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32357c45.28895877@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <323721dc.19808750@news.spry.com> <323bfd9f.27838406@nntp.i <3241abaf.3702604@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51su9b$6r3@news1.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca17-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 20 4:34:38 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30405 alt.revisionism:67206 fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote: > >>ellegon@ibm.net (Joel Rosenberg) wrote: > >>>In article <51s0d2$6pj@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes: >>>>From: libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) >>>>Subject: Re: George J. Lehmann is proven a liar, yet again. Quite easily. >>>>Date: 19 Sep 1996 17:37:38 GMT >>> >>>>CHRIST SODOMIZER (goat@anus.com) wrote: >>> >>>>: Sounds like he was using some specialized library research system. Of >>>>: course they didn't index fiction, especially fiction from unabashedly >>>>: pulp genres. >>> >>>>I've never heard of an engine that searches the LC catalog and the >>>>filters out the fiction; if you have, I'd be interested in knowing >>>>about it. >>> >>>>By the way--you're kind of snobby for a guy who's handle is Goat Anus, >>>>aren't you? >>> >>>I noticed that two, but only by indirection -- I've had him killfiled for >>>awhile now. >>> >>>But it is a strange notion, though, that somebody linking their library to the >>>Library of Congress database would go to the trouble to make sure that some >>>books aren't findable. I guess Goat doesn't know a lot about computers, >>>though. >>> >>Universities routinely filter items. I can see why pulp fiction might >>be filtered: they don't want the _tsurris_ from parents, if sonny >>finds out how to order _Wanda and her Wanton Whips_ or >>_Naked Cubscout Run Amok_. That's the reason they also filter >>UseNet: certain "adult" newsgroups being dangerous to their image: >>"Univ. allows access to kiddie-porn" is ALL they need to see in the >>yellow press. As Avon is the label for the Hearst syndicate's penny- >>dreadfuls, perhaps they'd rather be safe than sorry. In any event, it >>is pretty well proven that, >> a) Rosenburg writes pulp fiction. >> b) The Univ. system either filters it out or I wasn't using it >>correctly: for the result of the search was "no matching entry." > >Why does the Big Dipper of El Toro California insist on using Yiddish >words when attacking me or Joel Rosenberg. > >Could it be because he's a fucking Nazi? > >Probably. > >Andrew Mathis >Sue Me. > Na ... Randy, I just know a _meshuggenah mumzer_ by his posts: _ganz ferblunget_! Sei gesint, Shemiel! =================================================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 00:03:29 PDT 1996 Article: 67226 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news1.mpcs.com!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news Message-ID: <199609202227.SAA28725@anon.lcs.mit.edu> From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Hitler was a Christain Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:22:28 GMT Mail-To-News-Contact: admin@nym.alias.net Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Lines: 90 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30412 alt.christnet:106552 alt.revisionism:67226 Message-ID: <324112f9.9094646@nntp.ix.netcom.com> snip ========= Erhardt was a member of the pre-war Thule Society, an occult group, typical of many which enjoyed a vogue before The Great Suicide Pact. (Yeates, the Irish poet, and Aleistar Crowly, the "Beast" as he called himself were also into this.) ====== On a (not shown) point, Hitler was party member 555, and his committee number was 7. Crowley was against Hitler in WWII, apparently being used by the British Government to entice Hess to Scotland (See books by Amado Crowley). ======== Unlike Mussolini, who was an open atheist, Hitler often made refer- ence to "Providence," but it was a vague theistic term. His behavior as regards the established churches was for the most part "correct": thus he attended the memorial service for George V in Berlin's Angli- can cathedral. Monks and nuns bothered him, and the Jesuits were as welcome as the Jews. (One of the first inmates of Dachau, the first concentration camp, was the Sec. to the Cardinal-Archbishop of Munich, as the Archbishop had openly denounced the Nazis as "pagans," but was too high a personage to arrest--so his secretary got interned.) There's no question that he saw himself as a Mosaic figure, and until late 1942, there was little to negate that self-formed image. ========= Hitler repeated referred to himself, ".... as a Christian...", in his speeches. (See "The Speeches of Adolf Hitler (April 1992 - August 1939) Edited by Norman H. Banes, two volumes, Oxford University Press (Royal Institute of International Affairs) 1942) ====== From: loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean A Robards) Subject: HITLER WAS NOT A JESUS FREAK YOU KIKE! (was Re: Hitler was a Christain Date: 19 Sep 1996 12:35:33 GMT Message-ID: <51reml$fl5@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <09SEP96.14484396.0075@IBM.UTM.EDU> <512cjl$k0l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <517g6v$g2c@freenet-news.carleton.ca> Chris DeNeve writes: >You nut! Adolf Hitler himself was a Christain if you ever read his book >"mein kampf" you would see. >This satan worshiping shit will only bring your fascist/white power >movement down. 1.Adolf Hitler was only covertly christian...only a fool would be a "satanic politian".Gotta keep the kiddies in line 2.Hitler and many SS members WERE Satanists,whether you like ot or not. snip ====== Why do you think that Hitler etc. were Satanists? Judeo-Satanism, and much of the modern day occult people, are being used by Judaists to break the hold of Christianity - not to aid the pagans, but to create a pseudo-pagan western civilisation controlled by Yahweh's people. Yahweh and his lieutenant Satan v. Christianity. The Jews would like to see the return of a sensual paganism bereft of Judeo-Christian ethics (as in the ancient world) but this New World Order will not be as of old, it will have Yahweh's elite controlling the degenerate Gentiles - not strong Gentile pagans ruling the Jews as previously. Hitler's state had to be destroyed, as it had been cleansed of Jewish ideas on all fronts: theological, political, cultural and physically. The Jews had no power over National Socialist Germany, unlike the occultists of today who are thoroughly duped with pentagram/hexagram symbols and Jewish mysticism (Cabala). Gentiles, Christian and pagan alike, must beware the snares of the enemy. From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 10:40:06 PDT 1996 Article: 30393 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: rec.music.rem,rec.music.christian,alt.zen,alt.skinheads,alt.satanism,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.black,alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,alt.psychoactives,alt.parents-teens,alt.music.black-metal,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick,alt.geek,alt.flame,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.evil,alt.christnet,alt.blasphemy,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.atheism,alt.2600,alt.wired,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.christnet.theology,alt.fan.oj-simpson,talk.religion.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.african-american,alt.flame,alt.destroy.the.usa,alt.nuke.the.earth Subject: Re: Take the Oath of Heresy: DEFECATE in the mouth of JEHOVAH Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 00:52:20 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 20 Message-ID: <32433ba9.13818141@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <31A17CB0.1FF8@infinet.com> <-2205960826590001@pool045.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <31A369DB.1BF7@infinet.com> <4o2hss$jp8@ginger.lei.net> <-2405960508040001@pool012.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <4o48ts$iq3@ginger.lei.net> <-2405961306310001@pool047.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <4o5s5c$23i@nuntius.u-net.net> <4o6d88$7sc@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <31BCE39A.3ABC@one.net> <31c1d6de.14978818@sylvania.sev.org> <31C2DE92.4291@msn.com> <4put52$fm7@vivaldi.telepac.pt> <31CF7B5C.84E@internetmci.com> <50vp8f$gfg@news.cais.com> <515j9m$f814@canb.cin.gov.au> <32388EED.362D@geocities.com> <32398A51.75FA@humboldt1.com> <51a7dd$v88@camel3.mindspring.com> <323E686B.3EA5@enternet.co.nz> <51nvpn$afc@jerry.loop.net> <51paib$9db@news1.gte.net> <32409f18.9391570@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51sh87$73o@news1.gte.net> <324267c3.5892189@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51v21a$o0a@news1.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca15-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 20 5:57:00 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca rec.music.rem:24602 rec.music.christian:80891 alt.zen:18645 alt.skinheads:37863 alt.satanism:32878 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:16743 alt.religion.scientology:192162 alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan:10531 alt.psychoactives:13822 alt.parents-teens:12088 alt.magick:53710 alt.geek:8165 alt.flame:25979 alt.fan.oj-simpson:50840 alt.evil:23648 alt.christnet:106508 alt.bible.prophecy:7686 alt.atheism:49453 alt.2600:110077 alt.wired:37392 alt.christnet.ethics:3180 alt.christnet.theology:23182 talk.religion.misc:150390 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30393 alt.politics.white-power:43969 soc.culture.israel:43613 shitt@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote: >>Don't work about it. You'd be safe in ANY crowd! > > >>SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! >> "Ursus Major" > > >Don't worry, I won't WORK about it... you're such a fuckin bore...I >don't think I'll talk to you anymore. > Hmmmm... Just as I thought: no one on the basket ball team WAS inter- ested. Well, like I said, you ARE safe in ANY crowd. (Better luck next time. Try someplace not so well lit. You MAY have a chance there.) ========================================================= SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sat Sep 21 19:12:31 PDT 1996 Article: 30567 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: Am I a racist? Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:13:59 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 69 Message-ID: <32445668.4446068@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bba7f0$23b56260$LocalHost@toolman5> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 4:18:42 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 "Frank A. Auge" wrote: >Am I a racist? > > I ask this question because I honestly dont know the answer to it. >I just want my children to grow up in a neighborhood where they dont have >to worry about getting shot by a stray bullet ment for a drug dealer or a >gang member. >I want my kids to go to school and have a class room that is not disrupted >by >students that are not there to learn. I want the opportunity to get a job >based >on my merits. I do not think that I am asking for a lot but these things >are getting >farther out of reach. > >I grew up on the same street that I live on now and things have changed. > >In the same park I played little league in my 12yo son cant walk through >safely. >On the playground equipment I used as a kid my 4yo daughter cannot use, it >is still there but when my wife took her there they were chased away by a >group >of youths that should have been in school. > >I bought my house 10 years ago for $65,000 and now I'll be lucky to get >$20,000 > >The corner store where I bought candy as a kid has been owned by the same >old man >for as long as I can remember He did not have one problem in 25yrs and in >the last >5yrs he has been robbed 7 times after the sixth time he put it up for sale >two weeks later >was his 7th and last time. He was killed for $24 > >I could go on and on about the changes in my neighborhood and sound like a >concerned >citizen but if I mention the skin pigment of the people that are >responsible for all the above >changes I am a racist. Right? > Of course you're a Racist, and a Crimethinker to boot! Imagine the gall of wanting a safe neighborhood. Why, that's like wearing an armband with a swastika on it! Concerned about your children? Obviously a crypto-neo-pseudo fascistoid-racist-bigot-politcally-incorrect-ungoodthinker. The Gummit will take care of your kids--and you too! Schools? Come now, you know their purpose is to provide baby- sitting services during the week. (TV on the weekend, "school" during the week.) If you look closely, you'll see the "teacher's" eye is ALWAYS on the clock! But things ARE getting better. Next semester, they're adding a course on how kids can avoid having their lunch money extorted from them. (Basically, carry no cash: just a brown-bag and an American Express card.) It's a shame the value of your house has collapsed. You might try putting prison bars on all your windows and replacing the front and back doors with scrap bank-vault portals. It may increase the value $5-600. Worth a shot! As for the drive-by shootings, try trading in your car for a used Brink's truck, or a war-surplus Sherman Tank. Ain't LIBERAL DEMOCRACY wunnerful? Yep, all Rights, no Responsibilites But you ARE a Racist, of the WORST sort: one who has to ask! (Sorry!) ========================================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 00:08:42 PDT 1996 Article: 67486 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.ibm.net.il!news.stealth.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet Subject: Re: Hitler was a Christain Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:19:13 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 44 Message-ID: <32445b55.5707751@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <09SEP96.14484396.0075@IBM.UTM.EDU> <512cjl$k0l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <517g6v$g2c@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <51ar5e$3h4@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <51cu9t$qjj@jerry.loop.net> <51de82$bt1@news-e2b.gnn.com> <51dp4c$7vg@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <324084A6.80A@avana.net> <51t02r$9mo_001@bopeep.uwaterloo.ca> <521e9f$6fn@news.onramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 4:23:55 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30578 alt.christnet:106896 alt.christnet.ethics:3226 alt.politics.white-power:44106 alt.revisionism:67486 alt.skinheads:37921 rec.music.christian:80921 saxon@onramp.net (Eric Wheelock) wrote: >In article <51t02r$9mo_001@bopeep.uwaterloo.ca>, > CJFREEMA@ARTSU2.uwaterloo.ca (Christopher J Freeman) wrote: >>In article <324084A6.80A@avana.net>, Chris DeNeve > wrote: >>>Jean A Robards wrote: >> >> >>I don't think that what Hitler wrote was important, I think it is >safe to say >>that he was NOT a christian. A persons actions and attitude is >the true >>representation of there beliefs, not what the say. Hitler's >actions were NOT >>christian by any stretch of the imagination. >> >>Chris > > >Well, if mass extermination of those you "feel threatened" by, >disagree with, or simply dislike is a Christian trend then Hitler >was most definately a Christian. Read the "Heretics" by Walter >Nigg as a good starting point (in particular the Arians and >Cathars). I'm sure their are better books but I happen to have >this one on hand. The Catholic Church has used mass extermination >quite effectively throughout their illustrious history. Perhaps >Hitler was just following suit? > >>Christopher J Freeman > > >Regards, >Eric Wheelock Read >Deuteronomy< xx 15-17. You'll see the Jew INVENTED "genocide," and hand-copy Yaweh's MANDATE into every Torah! Nu? So what else is? ===================================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 00:08:43 PDT 1996 Article: 67494 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism Subject: Re: Think even George "the coward of Alta Loma" Lehmann could parse this sentence? Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:45:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <32445363.3673329@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32337fc1.35001670@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <3234de9d.29753531@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51usec$6rg@jerry.loop.net> <51vpii$54c@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 1:50:22 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote: >Joel, George: > >You're both being really stupid. Please see www.anus.com and the >alt.syntax.tactical FAQ. > >-rich Gee, Rich! BOTH being stupid? That's the first time I've seen you not leap to join Monty Rosa in his >Trollerei<. Thanks for the parity! ======================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 00:08:44 PDT 1996 Article: 67497 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: David Irving: Hear him YOURSELF, via the Internet!! Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:42:11 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <32445243.3386016@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32433d6c.14269405@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <52012k$5cf@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 1:46:53 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30581 alt.revisionism:67497 rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote: >Someone should tell Mr. Pauling how to fix the frames and JavaScript bugs >on his home page, lest Ingrid write about ZOG interference again. > >-rich It was up and running and fully fuctional -- then 3 days ago they got "hacked." I warned him about using the university's computer. Many a Chosen Programmer to screw it up completely. Seems to be the case. (Files don't normally corrupt themselves.) ========================================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 00:08:44 PDT 1996 Article: 67534 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: David Irving: Hear him YOURSELF, via the Internet!! Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:36:40 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 57 Message-ID: <32448ee9.4718277@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32433d6c.14269405@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca8-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 6:41:22 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30601 alt.revisionism:67534 It seems Mr. McCarthy has contacted me, re this WAV system. I informed him that I had nothing to do with this site, which is run totally by university students. I simply let interested parties know the information is (supposed to be) available. I do take the position, contrary to that of Deborah Lipstadt, that the only "truth" which cannot be defended by Reason alone is, in reality, religious dogma. Is it rational to assume that a man who has been dead for three days is going to rise from the dead? Of course not, it's absurd; however, it the >sine qua non< of Christianity (or the>minim<, if one prefers). Is it rational to assume that the sea is going to part, to allow a host of mauraders to walk across the oceanbed? It too is absurd, but a feature in the revered Torah (along with that yummy Divine Mandate for genocide: >Deuteronomy xx 15-17). How about Joe Smith's "magic" eyeglasses, so he could read >The Book of Mormongoyim<) and "apostates" (if they're >yiddim<). It's not a Jewish sect, per se, rather it seems to be a religious adjunct to Zionism (a phenomenon which some Jews, even those living in Israel, reject!). It is BOTH an ersatz-religion and a rationale for outrageous behavior on the part of the Israeli government and not-too-subtle extortion. Hence, it accorded the definate article: "The, The Holocaust" -- as if there were only one in the history of mankind, when in fact the first recorded one is to be found as a Divine Mandate in the Torah: Deuteronomy xx 15-17. The only thing which seems to be lacking from this (in my opinion fraudlent exaggeration of a truly monstrous pogrom) ersatz-religion is the candid depiction of its proprietary nature. It should properly be referred to as THE HOLOCAUST[TM]. As to the claims made on its behalf ... there are a number of claims made for the curative powers of water from Lourdes; but if you subject water from Lourdes to chemical analysis, you'll find it's just H{2}O. Similarly, if one subjects "gas chambers" to forensic analysis, one finds the level of residual HCn not significantly higher than in areas used as barracks for the slave-laborers. Without a doubt, in the long, sad history of man's inhumanity to man, the Jews have earned their hall; but the True Believers of Holocaustomania not only want the whole Temple, they got it--and the dumb >goyim< paid for it. (And then they sit back in amazement and wonder why there are anti-Semites in the world!) In any event, the SRRS is a STUDENT undertaking. This Bear has nothing to do with it, other than to let readers of the NewsGroups know what it is and where it is. Now, send in the Tarantulas! =========================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 07:51:34 PDT 1996 Article: 67558 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!voskovec.radio.cz!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!news.thenet.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.war,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.jewish,alt.nuke.europe Subject: Re: Fascist Continent Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:03:42 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 115 Message-ID: <3244aeb9.12862006@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <3235C301.FD7@airmail.net> <516vnp$a3e@snow.btinternet.com> <517k1u$6j2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <3237C11E.31FB@concentric.net> <51e25d$f4i@surz03fi.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> <323F8FB3.788D@concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca8-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 11:08:28 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:44137 alt.revisionism:67558 alt.war:23278 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30617 soc.culture.jewish:75575 alt.nuke.europe:1810 Shriker wrote: >Nele Abels wrote: >[snip] > >> Shriker wrote: >> >> >But note that in the 1930s we *Americans* weren't at each >> >other's throats--we pull together in adversity, to our >> >everlasting credit and their everlasting shame. >> >> It is futile to compare the American situation in the 30s >> with the Europrean theatre. Hardly any historical parameter >> concurred. War had been waged in Europe. Two of the three major >> European powers had suffered warefare on their territory. >> Germany was humiliated and in general turmoil anyway. France >> had won the war but had suffered severe losses of human life. >> The two nations watched each other with drawn knifes. Great >> Britain's days of a glorious empire were past, she was heavily >> indebted to the USA. The Great War certainly left far more >> questions opened than answers were given. >> > >> The USA on the other hand had taken part in the war, but >> this war has been far away. They did not have the problems which >> the existence of many relatively small nation states meant for >> Europe. That has been solved after the civil war. In the US there >> were no war enemies facing each other with hate. And most >> importantly, in the US there was no Adolf Hitler. The outbreak >> of the second world war is therefore no question of "credit" or >> "shame" or a mystical quality of "being American" which enabled >> the people "to pull together in adversity". >> > >It is _hardly_ futile to compare Americans during the Depression to their European >counterparts. Our reaction to adversity and deprivation differed markedly from theirs. >While the Europeans typically chose to blame the other nation, other race, and other >religion for their predicament, we united to face it together. We had weak and >vulnerable minorities too. But unlike the Europeans who set upon theirs like a pack of >wolves, our society and government supported soup kitchens and gave the dignity of a job >to all takers regardless of their ethnic particulars. To you, it seems, there is no >moral difference. Help a man, kill a man--it's all the same thing, eh? > >Now we have the "modern European" making excuses for, of all things, Nazism and WWII. >We can excuse the Europeans only in the sense that we might pardon a mentally >incompetent criminal. WWII was the final insult; no one respects the Europeans today, >and without their empires they are just pathetic. You can expect this standing to >improve only when we see practiced, in good times and bad, the "civilized behavior" >Europe has always claimed to possess. > > >> >> Nele >> >> [posted and emailed] > >Shriker. This is preposterous! The U.S. in the 30s was riddled with anti- Semitism (Henry Ford, Gerald L.K. Smith, Fr. Coughlin) and infested with Marxists. Being so ethnically diverse, no demagogue could single out one "skapegoat," although Roosevelt "slopped the hogs" (as the New Deal insiders referred to the "Fireside Chats") by vague references to "the malfactors of great wealth." In Germany, the situation was totally different: the depression was much more severe than in the U.S., and there was only one pseudo- minority, which also happened to be doing much better than others. The immediate crisis was Bolshevism. If one bothers to look at the _Horst Wessel Lied_ (all three verses!), he'll see there's not ONE anti-Semitic statement or inference in it. The twin enemies are the Marxists and the "Reactionaries." The goal is bread, prosperity, and an end to deprivation. (Have you _bothered_ to check it out, Shriker, or do you just pontificate with no real understanding of what you're talking about?) Anti-Semitism took root in the idea that the Jew didn't really care about what happened in Germany. That the Jews were "paracites." This was fed by the fact that the well-paid profession had a dispro- protionate number of Jews in them: medicine, dentistry, law, etc. Where we the blue-collar German Jews? There weren't any. That provided the fuel for Goebbels' on-going assault. (Any student of that era will find that after Hitler became Chancellor, Goebbels orchestrated the anti-Semitic campaign.) Marxism was the big Bugbear in the beginning. The concentration camps were built to "retrain" Marxists (and some conservatives who had bitterly opposed Hitler). The fact is that Roosevelt adopted the Nazis' economic program, in so far as the Supreme Court would let him; and when the Supreme Court threw out the NRA (modelled completely after the "Gleichschaltung" approach to economics employed by Hitler), Roosevelt tried to pack the Court. (Shows you what Franklin-the-Lame thought of the Constitution!) The WPA, CCC, and all the other "alphabet soup" agencies came directly >from the Nazis, while the RFC and SBA (which is still with us today), were modelled more on Mussolini's _corporazioni_. The fact is the fascist states were more Keysian than Keynes. In contrast, Roosevelt's New Deal fell apart in 1936. By 1939, the unem- ployment level was back to Great Depression levels. (For what it's worth, I recommend your reading the translation of Hitler's speech to the rubber-stamp Reichstag, when Germany declared war on the U.S. It is extremely revealing. The would-be Messiah vrs. the Plutocrat. [It was published in a former issue of the IHR Review.]) It's disappointing to see you fall into this "four legs good, two legs bad" thought pattern. (One expects that from the Tarantulas, and is NEVER disappointed.) If the situation were as simple as you present it, neither Hitler nor Mussolini would have lasted a month. Stop and think about that for a moment. Also, consider that while famine was ravishing the Ukraine, resul- ting in the death of easily 10 million, the USSR was EXPORTING grain for hard currency to pay for Stalin's industrialization program. Or do you shudder at the thought of being an ungoodcrimethinker? ======================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 07:51:35 PDT 1996 Article: 67571 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!psgrain!newsfeed.internetmci.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet Subject: Re: Hitler was a Christain Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 03:08:33 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 67 Message-ID: <3244aa08.11661346@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <09SEP96.14484396.0075@IBM.UTM.EDU> <512cjl$k0l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <517g6v$g2c@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <51ar5e$3h4@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <51cu9t$qjj@jerry.loop.net> <51de82$bt1@news-e2b.gnn.com> <51dp4c$7vg@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <324084A6.80A@avana.net> <51t02r$9mo_001@bopeep.uwaterloo.ca> <521e9f$6fn@news.onramp.net> <32445b55.5707751@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <521ran$epi@news1.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca8-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 8:13:17 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30628 alt.christnet:106987 alt.christnet.ethics:3238 alt.politics.white-power:44142 alt.revisionism:67571 alt.skinheads:37935 rec.music.christian:80934 fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote: > >>saxon@onramp.net (Eric Wheelock) wrote: > >>>In article <51t02r$9mo_001@bopeep.uwaterloo.ca>, >>> CJFREEMA@ARTSU2.uwaterloo.ca (Christopher J Freeman) wrote: >>>>In article <324084A6.80A@avana.net>, Chris DeNeve >>> wrote: >>>>>Jean A Robards wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't think that what Hitler wrote was important, I think it is >>>safe to say >>>>that he was NOT a christian. A persons actions and attitude is >>>the true >>>>representation of there beliefs, not what the say. Hitler's >>>actions were NOT >>>>christian by any stretch of the imagination. >>>> >>>>Chris >>> >>> >>>Well, if mass extermination of those you "feel threatened" by, >>>disagree with, or simply dislike is a Christian trend then Hitler >>>was most definately a Christian. Read the "Heretics" by Walter >>>Nigg as a good starting point (in particular the Arians and >>>Cathars). I'm sure their are better books but I happen to have >>>this one on hand. The Catholic Church has used mass extermination >>>quite effectively throughout their illustrious history. Perhaps >>>Hitler was just following suit? >>> >>>>Christopher J Freeman >>> >>> >>>Regards, >>>Eric Wheelock > >>Read >Deuteronomy< xx 15-17. You'll see the Jew INVENTED "genocide," >>and hand-copy Yaweh's MANDATE into every Torah! > >We cleared this up weeks ago, O Big Dipper of El Toro... > >Are you really this stupid? > >Andrew > Wadda you mean, Randy? You simply danced around it. First you tried to say what it obviously says. It obviously says YAWEH COMMANDS YOU TO KILL "EVERYTHING THAT BREATHES" OF THE SEVEN TRIBES: INFANTS, YOUNG, OLD, MALE & FEMALE ... K-I-L-L T-H-E-M A-L-L!!! That what the Jew-God DEMANDED! Show me any other diety in any other religion, who ever DEMANDED that: Zeus, Apollo, Odin, Marduk ... Come on, Randy. Find ONE, other that the Jew-God! The Jew-God INVENTED Divine Genocide, has a little [TM] over it, like The Holocaust[TM]. If I were you, I'd ask for my foreskin back! UM/GJL ======================================================= "The lamb will lie down with the lion--but not get much sleep!" -- Woody Allen SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 07:51:36 PDT 1996 Article: 67595 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.structured.net!news.cais.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: David Irving: Hear him YOURSELF, via the Internet!! Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 02:50:40 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3244a76b.10992030@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32433d6c.14269405@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <52012k$5cf@Networking.Stanford.EDU> <32445243.3386016@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <521q04$874@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca8-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 7:55:21 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30648 alt.revisionism:67595 rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote: >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes: >>rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote: >> >>>Someone should tell Mr. Pauling how to fix the frames and JavaScript bugs >>>on his home page, lest Ingrid write about ZOG interference again. >>> >>>-rich >> >>It was up and running and fully fuctional -- then 3 days ago they got >>"hacked." > >You seem to be lying. Please clarify. > >-rich Take your insults and shove up "where the sun never shines"! I don't live in Pullman, WA. I merely relayed the message given me, Tarantula, that the file WAS working, but using a university computer is an invitation to having a Revisionist site hacked. Lord knows, the Goldfarbs and the Ginsbergs are no dummies. (Any group able to make an ersatz-religion, replete with [TM] after it, out of a mega-pogrom--and make it pay BIG TIME isn't stupid!) So, scurry along the Web, Tarantula! You've got other vilifications waiting. It's Sat., the sun's down--go for it, >mumzer References: <3235C301.FD7@airmail.net> <516vnp$a3e@snow.btinternet.com> <517k1u$6j2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <3237C11E.31FB@concentric.net> <51e25d$f4i@surz03fi.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> <323F8FB3.788D@concentric.net> <3244aeb9.12862006@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <522h10$iks@news1.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca11-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 22 4:39:04 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:44182 alt.revisionism:67619 alt.war:23287 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30667 soc.culture.jewish:75652 alt.nuke.europe:1812 fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: >More deconstructing the Big Dipper for the average homo sapiens >sapiens... > >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote: > >>This is preposterous! The U.S. in the 30s was riddled with anti- >>Semitism (Henry Ford, Gerald L.K. Smith, Fr. Coughlin) and infested >>with Marxists. Being so ethnically diverse, no demagogue could single >>out one "skapegoat," {sic} although Roosevelt "slopped the hogs" (as the New >>Deal insiders referred to the "Fireside Chats") by vague references to >>"the malfactors of great wealth." > >Like, say, Ford, who was helping to bankroll Hitler.. If you look in the 2nd line of the paragraph _messugenah_ , you will see "Henry Ford" spelled out. What a pathetic _shlemiel_! >>In Germany, the situation was totally different: the depression was >>much more severe than in the U.S., and there was only one pseudo- >>minority, which also happened to be doing much better than others. > >Could this be the JOOOOOOOS? Let's find out! Did you bother to note the text states PSEUDO-MINORITY? Meaning that the author takes exception to the classification of German Jews as not being German. (_Oy vey! And they give _mumzers_ like Randy Andy their own computers. What they need is their own KEEPERS!) >>The immediate crisis was Bolshevism. If one bothers to look at the >>_Horst Wessel Lied_ (all three verses!), he'll see there's not ONE >>anti-Semitic statement or inference in it. The twin enemies are the >>Marxists and the "Reactionaries." The goal is bread, prosperity, and >>an end to deprivation. (Have you _bothered_ to check it out, Shriker, >>or do you just pontificate with no real understanding of what you're >>talking about?) > >So, if I'm parsing you right, the Jews were Marxists and that's why >they were successful. Of course, any one who's ever read Marx--even a >text as basic as the "Manifesto--knows that Marx despised his own >people as being overtly capitalistic, and even if the Jews WERE >Marxists (and undoubtedly some where), they would have been out to >help their fellow Germans, with whom they mistakenly felt a national >bond. Randy Andy has now entered the Twilight Zone. The fact is that the TEXT of the Horst Wessel Lied doesn't mention the Jews AT ALL: there were Jewish Marxists (beginning with Marx, who was an anti- Semite!) and lots of Marxists who were not Jews. There were very FEW Jews in Germany: about 700,000 or 1% of the population. Most Commun- ists, like Ernst Thaelmann, were not Jewish. Some the "Reationaries" were also Jewish, most were not. The important thing is that at this stage the emphasis was on ending the intolerable poverty WITHOUT suc- cumbing to Bolshevism. > >> Anti-Semitism took root in the idea that the Jew didn't really care >>about what happened in Germany. That the Jews were "paracites." {sic} >>This was fed by the fact that the well-paid profession had a dispro- >>protionate number of Jews in them: medicine, dentistry, law, etc. >>Where we the blue-collar German Jews? There weren't any. > >Right. No Jewish construction workers, assembly line workers, none. >Prove it. You are truly pathetic, Randy. That was the whole foundation: while but 1% of the general population, something like 40% of all dentists (in Berlin, if not through out Germany) were Jewish. That's not to discredit the Jews. Why should they go after low-paying jobs, if they can get better ones. However, this disparity was exploited by Goebbels to ferment anti-Jewish sentiment. >>That provided >>the fuel for Goebbels' on-going assault. (Any student of that era will >>find that after Hitler became Chancellor, Goebbels orchestrated the >>anti-Semitic campaign.) Marxism was the big Bugbear in the beginning. >>The concentration camps were built to "retrain" Marxists (and some >>conservatives who had bitterly opposed Hitler). > >Are you trying to say that Goebbels was the principal anti-Semite in >the inner circle? Please. Read Mein Kampf for Christ's sake--it's >all there in black and white. Hitler sees the Jew as the "culture >destroyer." He wrote this years before he'd ever met Goebbels. I am saying that as Minister of Propaganda, Goebbels planned the anti- Jewish aggitation, you total _shlemiel_ (just a sick Tarantula trying to deflect the issue). It was Hitler's tactic to keep his principal henchmen at each other's throats; thereby insuring that he remain the arbiter of power. The maverick was Ernst Roehm, leader of the S.A., who refused to be intimidated--and was liquidated along with most of the S.A. leadership and prominent conservatives during _The Night of Long Knives_, in 1934. >> The fact is that Roosevelt adopted the Nazis' economic program, > >No comment on this idiocy.,.. You're the idiot making all the comments. Why stop now? >> in >>so far as the Supreme Court would let him; and when the Supreme Court >>threw out the NRA (modelled completely after the "Gleichschaltung" >>approach to economics employed by Hitler), Roosevelt tried to pack the >>Court. (Shows you what Franklin-the-Lame thought of the Constitution!) > >So we hate the disabled as well as Jews, eh Nazi-boy (sue me). Never heard of Tamur-the-Lame (i.e. Tamurlame), the Mongol destroyer, laid the entire Middle East to waste? (Well, world history isn't part of the Talmudic studies program.) Roosevelt did to the Constitution, what the Zionists do to the hands of Arab children who throw rocks! >>The WPA, CCC, and all the other "alphabet soup" agencies came directly >>from the Nazis, while the RFC and SBA (which is still with us today), >>were modelled more on Mussolini's _corporazioni_. > >> The fact is the fascist states were more Keysian than Keynes. > >Being the son of an economist, I'm reasonably certain that Keynes' >econonic theory is that recovery is based on deficit spending. This >is what Roosevelt did (as did Germany and, to a lesser extent, Italy). >Any person with even a rudimentary knowledge of economics knows that >it was Ronald Reagan, of all people, who proved Keynes' theory true. Reagan managed to win the Cold War by spending the Soviets into bank- ruptcy. The dollar was destroyed, but it was cheaper than having the world destroyed. (The smart money put theirs into Yen, D-Marks, and Swiss Francs.) >>In >>contrast, Roosevelt's New Deal fell apart in 1936. By 1939, the unem- >>ployment level was back to Great Depression levels. (For what it's >>worth, I recommend your reading the translation of Hitler's speech to >>the rubber-stamp Reichstag, when Germany declared war on the U.S. >>It is extremely revealing. The would-be Messiah vrs. the Plutocrat. >>[It was published in a former issue of the IHR Review.]) > >Now *there's* a reliable source.... Right, there's nobody associated with the organization, who can trans- late from German into English. The speech is interesting, because it extremely LEFTIST! Hitler dwells how Roosevelt came from a very rich family (true, but Eleonore's was even richer), sat out WWI as a nabob in the Naval Office, while he (Hitler) was doing his duty in the trenches. Hitler dwells on how capitalism is as outmoded and morally bankrupt as Communism, hence the need for a new world order based on valor, courage, and dedication. That is why Germany is entering the war in concord with Japan. (A wonderful example of hubris.) >I read it also in the National Enquirer. All you are is a SHMUCK! It figues a SHMUCK like you would read _National Enquirer_. That's about all your intellect can cope with. > >> It's disappointing to see you fall into this "four legs good, two >>legs bad" thought pattern. (One expects that from the Tarantulas, and >>is NEVER disappointed.) If the situation were as simple as you present >>it, neither Hitler nor Mussolini would have lasted a month. Stop and >>think about that for a moment. > >They lasted because they ran antidemocratic regimes with an iron fist. >The war destroyed them, not their methods of leadership. No iron fist could have developed if they hadn't proved spectacularly successful at the onset. Don't forget, BOTH attained power "legally," albeit by devious means: in the case of Mussolini, because the king refused to sign a proclamation of martial law and asked Mussolini to form a cabinet. In the case of Hitler, by a _coup de palais_, as the Weimar Republic had lost the ability to govern. (Now you can take this to some educated person, _shtikdrek_, and find out what _coup de palais_ means.) >> Also, consider that while famine was ravishing the Ukraine, resul- >>ting in the death of easily 10 million, the USSR was EXPORTING grain >>for hard currency to pay for Stalin's industrialization program. >> Or do you shudder at the thought of being an ungoodcrimethinker? > >Well, I'm not about to make excuses for Stalin, but why does ever Nazi >denier (sue me) bring up Stalin to excuse Hitler? In your warped world-view, everyone who takes exception to the dicta of Deborah Lipstadt is a "Nazi denier." You're just a FLATUS: that's Latin, Yiddel, and it means FART ! The subject had to do with totalitarianism. The threads entitled "Fascist Continent." Stalin thought nothing of starving millions to death, to show there was no depression in the USSR and to put the screws on capitalism agriculture while wiping out any remaining pockets of resistance to a REAL Iron Fist. But all Tarantulas like you can do is jump up and down howling, "Nazi! Nazi! Denier! Denier! Goyim! Nazi-Goy-Denier-Crimethinker! The Holocaust[TM]! Our Chosen Property being denied! Look at the TM!" >Andrew Mathis -- who has never been the same, since his nose-job failed! =============================================================== "Remember, children, that _minim_ and _mumzer_ both begin with 'm'!" Yehudah ben Halavah, the Sage of Brush-kowitz. U.M./GJL From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 08:17:46 PDT 1996 Article: 30600 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!chi-news.cic.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: More on Immigration, Legal and Illegal Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 00:55:14 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 108 Message-ID: <32448dde.4451396@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca8-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 6:00:02 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30600 alt.politics.white-power:44123 na716472@anon.penet.fi wrote: >More on Immigration, Legal and Illegal > >In the treatise on the downward wage equalization of equal >employment opportunity (EEO), it is pointed out that EEO >fosters norms and environments whereby all players in the >employment game are being reduced to a multiway tie for >last place. > >What is the response on the part of the world manipulators >to this? Well, first remember that it has taken over 30 >years for societal standards to have reached their current >level, so with this in mind, would it not be a great idea >to import fresh blood which will not immediately sour by >being caught up in the movement to last place? > >The fresh blood is the immigrant who, by the way, is more >than eager to come to America where the streets are "paved >with gold" [yeah, right?], and who is more than eager to >accept below average wages in order to become established. >Meanwhile, the whites are being undercut and displaced; they >are sinking deeper into the EEO-impelled, societal multiway >tie for last place; are they are being reduced to collecting >welfare. The S's and the L's* sing the praises of immigrants >and their fueling of economic activity, then the S's and the >L's have the brazen effrontery to turn around and castigate >the whites for being poor white trash. > >However, immigrants eventually get influenced by the pre- >vailing norms, and they too start getting caught up in >the multiway tie for last place! What's the response to >this? Bring in new blood! That is, more immigrants! > >(* S's and L's don't stand for "Savings and Loans.") > >If anyone would like a free email copy of the multipart >treatise on the downward wage equalizing effects of >equal employment opportunity, send a brief, one line request >to: na716472@anon.penet.fi > >Hurry while the penet remailer is still forwarding email >to the "na" form of addresses! > >"Government enforced wage equalization will work only in >the downward direction" - despite any initial appearance to >the contrary! And the most shocking thing of all is that the >least preferred job candidate doesn't even have to be awarded >a job for many phenomena to take place! While it is true that government mucking about in the economy is sure to work to the detriment of all who work, inviting immegration from outside the prevailing Race-Culture will lead to further erosion of society. The simple fact is that, despite all the laws, all the law- suits, making a total mockery of the Constitution (especially the Xth Amendment), Intergration HAS not worked and WILL NOT work! There has been virtually no Negro immegration to the U.S. since the slave trade was halted in the early 1800s. Despite the fact that most Negroes can rightfully claim a longer race-presence on American soil than most Caucasians, what we see is not an accommodation to the fundamental Euro-centric manners and mores, but--most pronounced in urban areas--a >reversion< to the manners and mores of West Africa, >from which most Negroes in the Americas are derived, West African society is >tribal<: who the mother and father of a child happen to be is of scant import. The child is a >tribal< matter. Hence, the spectical of 14-15 year-old pregnant Negresses sitting in a school room, mere days away from dropping the kid (whose father is narrowed down to one of 20 liasons), is merely restoring the mores of West Africa. They breed early, young, and often there, because mortal- ty rates are extremely high: disease and tribal warfare take a great toll, so reproducing fast and often is necessary to avoid extinction. Like rabbits or cats--except for litters. The absurdity of running day-care centers, so "mommy" won't have to drop out of high school is a manifestation that you can take them out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of them--in the main. A number of Negroes have made the quantum-leap and absorbed Euro- centric values and mores. Also those Negroes in the Deep South, where the climate is not markedly different from their places of origin (Anyone who has been to New Orleans in August knows what I mean), have far less negative impact on society that the Negro in a truly alien environment, like New York, Detroit, or Los Angeles. Scant wonder that Race-Memory (or Collective-Unconsious, if you prefer) survival patterns should be most prevalent in these alien environments. It would be absurd to state that a Leontyne Price or Clarence Thomas represent a reversion to West-African mores; however, it would be equally absurd to state that such in NOT the situation in Boston, New York, and other "alien" habitats for the majority of the Negro residents. Farrakhan isn't simply a bigot hiding behind an Islamic shield. He knows, in the >main<, "integration" is a chimera and an impossibility. The alternatives to an eventual race-war (which Thomas Jefferson saw as a likely outcome) is either Partition or a Population Exchange, like that carried out between Turkey and Greece in the 20s. Accepting Euro-stock So. Africans in exchange for Negroes? That would be one way. The incentive for Euro-stock So. Africans to leave will occur once some bugga-bugga replaces the aged Mandela, and the long over-due race-war commences in earnest. Inducements to incourage participation for a population exchange? Terminating ALL welfare and adopting Singapore's penal code. Let's try to head off a disaster before it happens. We don't want 2014 to be a replay of 1914, do we? ======================================================= MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! 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From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 09:49:31 PDT 1996 Article: 155228 of control Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news2.insinc.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!kikecancel!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Sender: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Approved: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: rec.music.rem,rec.music.christian,alt.zen,alt.skinheads,alt.satanism,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.black,alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,alt.psychoactives,alt.parents-teens,alt.music.black-metal,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick,alt.geek,alt.flame,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.evil,alt.christnet,alt.blasphemy,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.atheism,alt.2600,alt.wired,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.christnet.theology,alt.fan.oj-simpson,talk.religion.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.african-american,alt.flame,alt.destroy.the.usa,alt.nuke.the.earth Date: 21 Sep 96 12:21:12 GMT Subject: cmsg cancel <32409f18.9391570@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Netcom Control: cancel <32409f18.9391570@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: Lines: 4 These cancels are issued as a service to thInternet providers not wishing to carry articles from persons of Jewish persuasion. Sites that do not wish to take advantage of this free service can easily can opt out of these cancels by "aliasing out" the kikecancel pseudosite. From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 10:01:57 PDT 1996 Article: 67648 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: Yet another demonstration that George J. Lehmann is not merely an antisemite, and a coward, and a bluffer and braggart, but a liar as well. Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:51:48 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3244542a.3872761@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <51235g$at2@news1.panix.com> <51usrs$6u8@jerry.loop.net> <52011j$5i5@news1.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 3:56:30 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:44196 alt.revisionism:67648 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30680 fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: >goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote: > >>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote: > >>>I think the wind from the graveyard George lives by is starting to rot >>>his brain. > >>And you claim you really have something to say, if this is what you >>produce? > >>Here's my question for you: what was it like when PANIX got flooded? >>Total disruption, or could you get through at all? > >Listen dickhead: > >I don't go around calling myself "Christ Sodomizer", hiding behind a >false e-mail addresses and dropping trolls like turds all over the >'net. > >As for the Panix incident, the FBI has been called in and they'll nail >whoever did it. My service was suspended for about two days, for >which I was refunded. > >Now get bent. > >Andrew Mathis >Not afraid to use his real name or real e-mail account because he has >gonads. > Gonads ya got, otherwise ya wouldn't "Randy," right? No foreskin, but they let you keep your >cojones<. Pity! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Remember, while you may not say The Name; you may say, 'compond interest'--which is nearly as powerful!" --- Shumle ben Hazerei, Talmudic Sage of Yonker. SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 10:43:32 PDT 1996 Article: 67656 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news1.hotstar.net!winternet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: Yet another demonstration that George J. Lehmann is not merely an antisemite, and a coward, and a bluffer and braggart, but a liar as well. Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:54:32 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 38 Message-ID: <32445588.4222908@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <51235g$at2@news1.panix.com> <51usrs$6u8@jerry.loop.net> <520rva$9j0@news1.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Sep 21 3:59:14 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:44198 alt.revisionism:67656 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30683 fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: >goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) wrote: > >>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) took a fat hit off a pipe and wrote: > >>>I think the wind from the graveyard George lives by is starting to rot >>>his brain. > >>And you claim you really have something to say, if this is what you >>produce? > >>Here's my question for you: what was it like when PANIX got flooded? >>Total disruption, or could you get through at all? > >Listen dickhead: > >I don't go around calling myself "Christ Sodomizer", hiding behind a >false e-mail addresses and dropping trolls like turds all over the >'net. > >As for the Panix incident, the FBI has been called in and they'll nail >whoever did it. My service was suspended for about two days, for >which I was refunded. > >Now get bent. > >Andrew Mathis >Not afraid to use his real name or real e-mail account because he has >gonads. > It's "Compond INTEREST," Shumck, NOT Compond Postings. (Oy, vat a Shlemiel!) ====================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Sun Sep 22 23:08:28 PDT 1996 Article: 67809 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sgi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet Subject: Re: Hitler was a Christain Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:23:52 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 134 Message-ID: <3245aa99.2633159@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <09SEP96.14484396.0075@IBM.UTM.EDU> <512cjl$k0l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <517g6v$g2c@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <51ar5e$3h4@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <51cu9t$qjj@jerry.loop.net> <51de82$bt1@news-e2b.gnn.com> <51dp4c$7vg@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <324084A6.80A@avana.net> <51t02r$9mo_001@bopeep.uwaterloo.ca> <521e9f$6fn@news.onramp.net> <32445b55.5707751@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <521ran$epi@news1.panix.com> <3244aa08.11661346@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <522cnj$ht2@news1.panix.com> <523k19$69a@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca5-02.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 22 2:29:49 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30736 alt.christnet:107205 alt.christnet.ethics:3271 alt.politics.white-power:44252 alt.revisionism:67809 alt.skinheads:37971 rec.music.christian:80948 loki999@ix.netcom.com(Jean A Robards) wrote: >In <522cnj$ht2@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes: > >> >>ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote: >> >>>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: >> >>>>ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote: >>>> >>>>>saxon@onramp.net (Eric Wheelock) wrote: >>>> >>>>>>In article <51t02r$9mo_001@bopeep.uwaterloo.ca>, >>>>>> CJFREEMA@ARTSU2.uwaterloo.ca (Christopher J Freeman) wrote: >>>>>>>In article <324084A6.80A@avana.net>, Chris DeNeve >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>Jean A Robards wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't think that what Hitler wrote was important, I think it is > >>>>>>safe to say >>>>>>>that he was NOT a christian. A persons actions and attitude is >>>>>>the true >>>>>>>representation of there beliefs, not what the say. Hitler's >>>>>>actions were NOT >>>>>>>christian by any stretch of the imagination. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Well, if mass extermination of those you "feel threatened" by, >>>>>>disagree with, or simply dislike is a Christian trend then Hitler >>>>>>was most definately a Christian. Read the "Heretics" by Walter >>>>>>Nigg as a good starting point (in particular the Arians and >>>>>>Cathars). I'm sure their are better books but I happen to have >>>>>>this one on hand. The Catholic Church has used mass extermination > >>>>>>quite effectively throughout their illustrious history. Perhaps >>>>>>Hitler was just following suit? >>>>>> >>>>>>>Christopher J Freeman >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>Eric Wheelock >>>> >>>>>Read >Deuteronomy< xx 15-17. You'll see the Jew INVENTED >"genocide," >>>>>and hand-copy Yaweh's MANDATE into every Torah! >>>> >>>>We cleared this up weeks ago, O Big Dipper of El Toro... >>>> >>>>Are you really this stupid? >>>> >>>>Andrew >>>> >>>Wadda you mean, Randy? You simply danced around it. First you tried >to >>>say what it obviously says. It obviously says >> >>>YAWEH COMMANDS YOU TO KILL "EVERYTHING THAT BREATHES" OF >>>THE SEVEN TRIBES: INFANTS, YOUNG, OLD, MALE & FEMALE ... >>> K-I-L-L T-H-E-M A-L-L!!! >>>That what the Jew-God DEMANDED! Show me any other diety in any other >>>religion, who ever DEMANDED that: Zeus, Apollo, Odin, Marduk ... Come >>>on, Randy. Find ONE, other that the Jew-God! >> >>Seems to me those Greek Gods got pretty involved in that little Trojan >>war, now, didn't they? And Marduk? You need to brush up on your >>Babylonian mythology, Dipper. >> >>>The Jew-God INVENTED Divine Genocide, has a little [TM] over it, >like >>>The Holocaust[TM]. If I were you, I'd ask for my foreskin back! >UM/GJL >> >>Too late, I think your mother already ate it. >> >>BTW, that's the Christian and Islamic god your slandering also. >> >>Andrew Mathis >> >>================================================================= >> >>What's new with Frente?--http://www.nj.com/maxwells/july96/frente.html >> >>The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous--http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608 >> >>"Peyno derech Hashem" >>--Yeshayahu 40:3 >> > > > > > Actually,it's the christian,islam AND jewish god you idiot.That is >what amused me most about "Christian Nazis"....they worship they same >culture they proclaim to loathe. > >Furthermore,why did you refer to it (i.e this "god" as "The Christian >and Islamic god" whilst denouncing Marduk as a myth? Hm....does the >monothestic arrogance beast rise once again? > >Fuck you and the jew on a stick Still Randy Andy WILL NOT (better CAN NOT) produce one other "diety" which ever DEMANDED genocide. The legend of the Trojan War has the Olympians involved on both sides, with Zeus neutral in theory (more like Woodrow Wilson was "neutral"). Marduck never demanded genocide, or the Babylonians would have taken care of the Hebes 3,000 years ago. As a matter of fact, the movement AWAY from an antromorphic diety can be directly traced to the forced resettlement of Jewish leaders. By the time Cyrus allowed them to return, they had a new language; at it was Ezra who took all the folklore and produced the Torah. [see Friedman: _Who Wrote the Bible_? / 1987]. When Hadian booted the Jews out of Palestine, where did they go? They went to Babylon, because they spoke the language and had been accorded toleration. That's where they produced the major Talmud. (Another was made in Palestine. The Romans were not like the Israelis; they didn't throw _everyone_ out. So, there's a Babylonian Talmud and a Palestinian one.) No other diety other than the Mosaic one EVERY mandated genocide. Not one, not even the Gods of the Aztecs, who thrived on human sacrifice (but settled for the heart: the remainer became Aztec "chili con carne"). "Christian Nazi" is an oxymoron, and that's what they are--morons! ===================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 23 07:45:38 PDT 1996 Article: 67917 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: David Irving: Where are the tapes? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:22:42 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3246481d.2083524@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32433d6c.14269405@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <524brb$bl5@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca5-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 23 1:27:25 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30799 alt.revisionism:67917 rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) wrote: >I would still like copies of the original, unedited audio and video tapes >taken by Mr. Irving's friends at his appearance in Oakland. I believe it >would be unfair of me to call Mr. Irving a despicable liar without this >third-party documentation of what was really said, in full context. > >-rich > Ask the students at Washington State University. They're the one's who purported to have the project up and running--and then it got hacked (according to them). Why post it on a newsgroup? Ask the people who claimed to have it. I'm not a student at Wash. State. ================================================ MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 23 07:45:39 PDT 1996 Article: 67985 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.structured.net!news.cais.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: David Irving: Hear him YOURSELF, via the Internet!! Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:18:04 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <32464506.1292550@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32433d6c.14269405@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32448ee9.4718277@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <522b96$h6o@news1.panix.com> <32450a0d.19772505@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5240oc$b82@Networking.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca5-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 23 1:22:47 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:67985 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30835 Oh, how I do love it, when the TARANTULAS come to feast: cutting out whole sections of the text, simply spewing their vitriol: the Irgun of the Net! And the "guards" at Dachau, who had nothing to do with the concentra- tion camps, got there a few HOURS before the Americans arrived--and were machine-gunned without further ado. (The U.S. Army photographed that. Want pictures?) And the fake soap stores (You should bite your tonque!)? And the fake lampshade stories? (Bite it a second time.) These people have about as much interest in historical integrity as the U.S. has in selling Alaska back to Russia. The place for vermin of this sort is the kill-file. Nice Free-Agent provides one. As for donations, I trying to raise money for The Pilthdown Man Museum to be errected net to the Temple of Holocaustomania. Anyone care to contribute? ================================================ SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 23 08:17:28 PDT 1996 Article: 30837 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism Subject: HOW TO PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY & DEFEAT NIZKOR'S TARANTULAS (A Revelation!) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:21:49 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 56 Message-ID: <32469ade.19826716@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <51nesm$hme@lex.zippo.com> <323FEE40.2747@ccnis.net> <51paa4$m1h@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <32407E0C.4178@ccnis.net> <51s634$46a@lex.zippo.com> <32429045.7298@ccnis.net> <51vd94$moa@lex.zippo.com> <32456EB7.3B49@ccnis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 23 9:26:35 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:44357 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30837 alt.revisionism:67998 "He who laughs last, laughs best!" -- folk proverb. You know the TARANTULAS: ugly, hairy, vile things that run up and down the Web looking for "Crimethinkers" and "heretics," to wrap any meaningful discussion about Revisionism and the Deviations from Dogma about the Nazi pogrom into "cocoons": to vilify, distract, concentrate on some incidental point, so that by the time the reader's done, he's forgotten what the author of the original post had to say in the first place. To be effective, there has to be a nest of Tarantulas, and thereis. There's the _messugenah mamzer_, Randy Andy Mathis, Joel Rosenberg (churning out pulp fiction and insults about non-existent persons), Rich Graves--a whole crew of Holohuggers--Nizkor's Irgun: The Tarantula Korps. Certainly you know how Nizkor keeps dossiers on Crimethinkers (they prefer to call them "Deniers," because Crimethinker is too obvious). The purpose, of course, is intimidation. They think they have it down to a science, getting one's REAL name. But they don't! They're merely arrogant _putzes_, and this post will tell you how to beat Nizkor and the Tarantula Korps at their own game. To use this technique, you have to be reasonably mature. It won't work for those too young or unestab- lished; but if you are established, it's FOOLPROOF, and Nizkor can accumulate dossiers of trash (which is all they accumulate anyway). THE HOW TO: When you get a credit card, the issuer will usually ask if you would like another card for someone else in your family. Reply YES! You would like another card for X. That's the name you're going to use when you sign-up for Internet service. When you contract with a server, they ask for your name and a "major credit card," to automate their billing. You provide that, using the SECOND CARD you got "for a member of your family." You establish an account in THAT name. The Tarantulas will try and ferret out who you are, but all they'll end up with is the name on the SECONDARY credit card. Result: total anonymity. (Be rational in your choice of a _Nom de Net_. Keep it close to your ethnic background. I chose "Lehmann" after Ernst Lehmann, the captain of _The Hindenburg_. Also because it's multi-ethnic: it could be Jewish, it could be German, or combin- ation of the two.) Now, the _schlemiel_ Mathis has me pegged to El Toro, while the pulp-fiction machine opts for Alta Loma (wherever that is). You can also use this Net-Card for making controversial purch- ases. It can come in handy, when anonymity is desired. Of course, I took this precaution before wading into these Tarantulas' feeding sites. _Semper Paratus_ (Always Prepared), as the Boy Scouts used to say and the Coast Guard still does. NOW YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT! REMEMBER: YOUR MIND IS YOUR PRIMARY WEAPON! ====================================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 23 13:02:57 PDT 1996 Article: 68057 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: 1 Question for Milton, Ken, Andrew, Joel, Les, Rich, George, Ron, and other WPNG Regulars. Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:50:30 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-ID: <32469d26.20411612@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <525b70$1902@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 23 7:55:15 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30858 alt.politics.white-power:44372 alt.revisionism:68057 dswan@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca (Daniel Swan) wrote: >1. Is Fascism inherently Racist? > "Racist" is a bugbear: a catch-all term, which can mean anything one wants it to mean. "Fascism" is another term in need of precise defin- ition. Among the "politically correct," a "fascist" is anyone they disagree with for any reason. Fascism ISN'T inherently "racist," because there have been openly fascist regimes which detested racism. Franco's regime in Spain is a prime example. Mussolini (who coined the term "fascism") and Hitler put Franco in power, but he refused to get involved in WWII. He felt Spain had a lot to lose and little to gain; furthermore, he didn't like the Nazis campain against the Jews and Gypsies. There's no anti- Semitic tradition in Spain, because the Jews were booted out in 1492. As for the Gypsies, they are component of the Spanish culture. The Salazar regime in Portugal was called "fascist," but it was more authoritarian than fascistic. Fascism is bound up with militarism to a great extent: spiffy uniforms and polished boots. None of that marked the Salazar regime in Portugal. (A professor of economics as a _Duce_ is rather silly.) "Fascist" is really an outdated term. It seems to have become an epithet and nothing more. It has nothing, per se, to do with racism-- and historically (Spain, Portugal, Argentina) never did. It would be helpful for YOU to supply your definitions for both terms, as they are subject to all sorts of meanings. Remember what Socrates constantly admonished: "Define your terms!" Sic dixit ille Ursus! ====================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 23 13:17:50 PDT 1996 Article: 30850 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!netaxs.com!news.voicenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white Subject: Re: Nizkor: Only place to find both sides! was Re: Is it true? Is Stone REALLY a liar? WASRe: Stone's bullshit and double standards Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:59:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3246a57f.22548030@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <51nesm$hme@lex.zippo.com> <323FEE40.2747@ccnis.net> <51paa4$m1h@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <32407E0C.4178@ccnis.net> <51s634$46a@lex.zippo.com> <32429045.7298@ccnis.net> <51vd94$moa@lex.zippo.com> <32456EB7.3B49@ccnis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 23 10:04:20 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:44368 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30850 "Annie Alpert, OFB" wrote: >Ourobouros wrote: >> >> In article <32429045.7298@ccnis.net>, "Annie says... >> >> >> It is true? Were you lying that your response was not archived--or were> >> you merely ignorant? > >> >> Neither. If "Finsten" argument gets placed on a pedestral then so should> my reply. Who wants to read stone0996 to find the reply and will liberals> make such a logical connection to read said file? >> > >> >Oh, so it's the PEDESTAL you object to, not the contents? You know, >> >Stone, standing up on a pedestal isn't all it's cracked up to be . . . >> >You wouldn't like it. > >Stone replies: >> And of course this is the strong counter-argument. >> >> "Finsten's" argument is allotted special priviledge at "We hope to >> remember." Should I not be allowed to defend myself on equal terms or >> is that only reserved for anti-racists? > >I think that if you had bothered to seriously respond to the contents of >Laura's note, you would have found that your arguments were fairly >archived at Nizkor. In fact, Nizkor is about the only place on the >internet where BOTH sides are presented. You sure don't find >anti-denial arguments on CODOH, IHR or National Alliance webpages, do >you? > >The big problem for you, I guess, is that if you are archived on Nizkor, >you have to face the chance that erroneous suppositions, factual error >and faulty logic will be rebutted. > >If you should come up with a really good argument to rebut Laura, >though, don't be shy! Ask Ken to archive it for you! You won't find any dossies at CODOH. They're not out to intimitdate. ========================================================= SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 23 13:17:51 PDT 1996 Article: 30861 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power Subject: Re: YES was Re: Am I a racist? Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:56:40 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 48 Message-ID: <3246a3ea.22143508@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <01bba819$1fcb8160$d82ab7c7@toolman5> <324571D2.238C@ccnis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca6-21.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 23 10:01:25 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30861 alt.politics.white-power:44375 na716472@anon.penet.fi wrote: >In article <324571D2.238C@ccnis.net>, "Annie Alpert, OFB" > wrote: > >an unfair response to Frank. > > >Frank wrote: > >> > Am I a racist? > > >Annie Alpert wrote: > >> Get off your white butt and make somehting of >> yourself instead of whining and blaming others! > > >The Author now responds: > >This is exactly the kind of brazen effrontery to which I >had alluded in my posting entitled, "More on Immigration, >Legal and Illegal," and Andrew had the brazen effrontery >to characterize that posting as idiocy! > >If anyone would like a free email copy of the multipart >treatise on the downward wage equalizing effects of >equal employment opportunity, send a brief, one line request >to: na716472@anon.penet.fi > >Hurry while the penet remailer is still forwarding email >to the "na" form of addresses! > >"Government enforced wage equalization will work only in >the downward direction" - despite any initial appearance to >the contrary! And the most shocking thing of all is that the >least preferred job candidate doesn't even have to be awarded >a job for many phenomena to take place! If you expect Randy Andy to make rational replies, you might was well expect Sheeba to come back and to find Jimmy Hoffa living in Sun City. Andy's a Tarantula: a troll with a yamulka. You should know that. ============================================================ SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 23 14:08:06 PDT 1996 Article: 68076 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!nic.win.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.mtl.hookup.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!clicnet!news.clic.net!news.bconnex.net!news1.erols.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: David Irving: Hear him YOURSELF, via the Internet!! Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:25:47 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 211 Message-ID: <32450a0d.19772505@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32433d6c.14269405@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32448ee9.4718277@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <522b96$h6o@news1.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca11-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 22 7:30:36 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:30864 alt.revisionism:68076 fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: >Quick question, George. > >Exactly how many Jews do you personally believe died at the hands of >the Nazis during World War II. > >Simple question requring a simple answer. > >Thanks, >Andrew There are two points here. (Now it's polite! What next?) 1) How many Jews were intentionally MURDERED? 2) How many Jews died as a result of typhus, other diseases, over work, and the complete collapse of the German infra- structure, as the Third Reich turned into Ragnarok? First of all, what I BELIEVE is a meaningless term. It's a religion with you, Randy, not with me. With me, it's a tragic, horrible, criminal part of history. Not the first and (despite all hope for the contrary) probably not the last. But it IS history and must be treated as an historical occurance. I object strongly into it's being transmogrified into an ersatz religion: A holocaust, not "The Holocaust[TM]" As an historical occurance one has to look at the evidence. One can only make estimates and approximations based upon the evidence. >From the evidence, it appears that somewhere between 500,000 and 800,000 Jews were intentionally murdered by the Nazi (which includes their all-too-willing collaborators from other countries). The Jews who perished due to "natural" causes was much higher than the number intentionally murdered. Again, there is no way to come up with an exact number. Four times the number actually murdered seems in accord with the factual material I have ferreted out. That would put the total number of Jews who died while in confinement between 2.5 and 3 million, or about half the Canonical Dictum. Does that make it a LESS horrible crime? Not in the least. If it were 1 million Jews or 100,000 Jews or 1 Jew it would still be a horrible crime. The numbers are not the determining factor. The determining factor is this trans- mogrification of an historical event from a heinous crime to an ersatz-religion and vilfying anyone who takes exception to the Canon- ical Version as a "Nazi denier" (to quote one Andrew Mathis). It is this "protector of the faith" versus "abominable heretic" attitude which rankles me. Especially, as one by one, the "fiendish" accounts have been shown to be FALSE. There are the Nuremburg Trials, which make a mockery of justice. Some German POWs are rounded up and hanged for the Katyn Massacre, which EVERYONE KNEW had been the work of the Soviets. Everyone! The U.S., the British, the whole world knew the NKVG (before it became the KGB) had massacred the entire Polish officer corps, including cadets 14-15 years old. The Russians now admit that and have sent a formal letter of apology to Poland. How about the German POWs who were hanged? Anyone send their families a "formal letter of apology"? No wonder the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court referred to Nuremberg as, "merely a high-grade lynching party for the Germans." There's the infamous "soap story": making soap from Jewish cadavers. How fiedish! And yet we find your own Deborah Lipstadt, when she was teaching at UCLA writing a letter to the L.A. Times (1981) saying the soap story was simply untrue. And Yahuda Bauer seconding Big Debbie's (as the "Nazi deniers" refer to her) observations, but there are still those who will point to a bar of soap and, in reverential tones, pro- claim it was made from the body of a murdered Jew. Then there's the "lamp shade" story. (We all know that one: Isle Koch, "The Bitch of Buchenwald.") What we aren't informed by the local Wiesenthal Center (and let's not forget that ex-Kapo Simon was one of the first to spread the soap story. I wonder if Big Debbie or Yahuda has written him about that?) is that Robert Koch, Ilse's husband and Commendant of Buchenwald, was SHOT by the SS for abusing the inmates, and that Gen. Lucius Clay, U.S. Military Governor of Germany, in a report to the George Marshall Foundation revealed the items were made of GOAT skin, not human skin--that was back in the 1940s! Did you know that? Is it common knowledge that Robert Koch and many other SS big- wigs were SHOT for inmate maltreatment? How about the massacre at Dachau? Ever hear about it? It seems that as the Reich was falling apart, the Nazis took care of their own. Within hours before the arrival of the Americans, the old-time SS personnel were removed and replaced by a tattered remnant of the _Wikinger Division_: volunteers from Denmark and Norway, who joined the Waffen-SS to stop Stalin's mongol hoards from overrunning Europe. These were young men, mainly in their 20s, who did as they were ordered. When the Americans arrived, they duly surrendered. And what happened? They were stood up against a wall and machine-gunned, while the U.S. Army took motion pictures! Did anyone say, "Hey, they didn't have anything to do with this hell. They just got here yesterday!"? Not on your life! A crime no different than standing innocent Jews before a pit and machine-gunning them! If you're wondering why I know so many Yiddish words and a few Hebrew ones, it's because I grew up in a VERY Jewish neighborhood. The parents of nearly all my peers spoke either German or Yiddish (which is just a German dialect). They used the language when they didn't want their kids to know what they were saying. (They pronounced it "mumzer": sort of half-way between a "u" and "a." Obviously, that was a word they didn't want the kids to know. _Nafka_ was another. There were a lot of them. I learned _shtuppen_ before I knew what it was in English!) Why German and Yiddish? Because most were refugees >from territories of the old Austrian Empire. All the older ones could talk about was "der Kaiser": old Franz-Josef and his ramshakle Empire, which treated everybody more or less equally, depending on class; and "Alt Wien": the city of waltzes and whipped cream. They had gotten visas through connections with the Hollywood studios. (Marlon Brando just went public what everyone who's lived in that area has known since day-one. You think Cohen (Columbia), Goldfisch (Goldwin/MGM) Meyer (MGM), Schulberg (Paramount), Warner (Warner Bros.) Fox [Fuchs], Laemmle (Universal) are Scottish names? These were seemstresses for the wardrobe dept., studio carpenters (especially the ones originally >from Hungary, who spoke Yiddish as a first language), musicians for the huge orchestras the studios had. Almost all quite reform. Well, they stayed away from bacon and such, but _anything_ ordered in a Chinese restaurant was "kosher." I went to a Catholic school, when nuns still looked like penguins. My peers went to public school, but one day a week most--not all, some were actually agnostic and had no religious orientation--went to Hebrew school, to get ready for their Bar Mitzvah. (Really Reform Jews called it "Konfirmation," just like it's called in the Catholic Church.) Well, I went to several of those: the goy in the yamulka. And a Seder too! The role of the children at the Seder impressed me, but if children learn the meaning, then the mythos survives, right? Because I was an altar boy, the father of a friend of mine asked me if I would take his son to a High Mass and explain the ritual to him. (Funny, I learned how to swear in Yiddish and how to pray in Latin!) So I did. I even brought him an unconsecrated host. "It tastes like a matzo!" was his comment. "Well, there's no leavening in either," I informed him (although Catholic tradition holds that the host material is the same as the mana of Jewish legend). The old Latin _Missa Solemnis_ was quite a show, replete with a procession accompanied by The Knight of Columbus in full costume. Chuck (Charles, _né_ Karl) was quite impressed. When I gave my first formal recital (viola), I included Max Bruch's _Kol Nidre_, because half the audience were our Jewish neighbors. Prejudices develop because of a lack of contact. If one lives around an ethnic group, which he really gets to know, it's almost impossible to become prejudiced. After one has attended a close friend's bar mitzvah, it's impossible to be an anti-Semite; however, that does not rule out the imperative civilization places upon us to make history as accurate a record as possible. Even the Roman conquest of Judea wasn't transformed into an ersatz-religion. (Were it not for Titus granting leave to a resident of Jerusalem to depart and found a school, Judaism may have well disappeared. Still, it got rid of the Sadducees.) The Roman conquest established the pharisaical position that Oral Law is as valid as the written. (In Latin, it's called the _mos majorem_.) This dispelled the rigidity of the Sadducees. It was a heavy price to pay, but it cleaned the weeds out of the vineyard. So too did Hitler's pogrom. The practise is to concentrate on those who perished. In fact, one should concentrate on those who _survived_. Would the State of Israel even have come into existence, were it not for Hitler's crimes? Would it have been able to cope with huge numbers of backward _Stedlyiddim_ from the Pale, who were the principal victims of the persecution? It wasn't the scholars, professionals, artists, financiers, and academics who fell victim to his persecution. It was "the expendables": those whose accommodation would have proved more balast than benefit. A repeat of Titus? Yes, in more ways than one might chose to dwell upon. Some have. George Steiner has, but he's a rarity. A major casualty of Hitler's presecution was the sybiosis of the German and Jewish cultures. Don't forget that the first major play- write to deal with religious toleration was Lessing. _Nathan der Weise_ (Nathan the Wise) is one of the finest plays in the German language, and still the most power advocate for religious toleration one can stage. (_Absolutely_ forbidden during the Nazi era!) The works of Heine, Kafka, Kraus, and Schnitzler, the music of Mendelssohn, Mahler and Bruck, the science of Haber, Herz, Einstein, and Ehrlich, the mathematics of Riemann and Kantor, the artistry of Reinhardt, and a host of fabled musicians. Philosophers like Wittgenstein, Kalisch, and Kaplan. (The Israelis make a big noise about Richard Wagner, but Wagner actually believed he was a _Mischling_: that his natural father was Geier, who became his step-father and encouraged his artistic abilities. When it was suggested to Wagner that he adopt a family crest, he insisted that it include a vulture. Not the most noble of birds, but the German word for vulture is _Geier_. There still remains the nagging suspicion that Hitler himself was a quarter Jewish!) What would really be of enormous benefit would be to assemble a commission of proponents of all viewpoints on this historical event: >from the most rigid Affirmer to the most intractable Denier (real denier), open all the archives, assemble forensic teams and GET AT THE TRUTH. The Jewish scriptures are and remain a sealed book. The Christian bible has the Maccabees in it; the Jewish one does not. Don't try to unseal it, to add a new book after a span of nearly 2,500 years: the Book of the Holocaust. The Inquisition thought it could stop the earth from rotating, simply by conducting an auto-de-fé for all who dared affirm such heresy. Even if Galilleo didn't say _puor se muove_, he certainly thought it. THE TRUTH WILL OUT. The question is will the Jewish community lead the effort to establish the truth, be- yond a reasonable doubt, or will it continue as it has been doing: using all of the formidable power at its command to stiffle investigation, malign dessenters, cajole compliant governments into reintroducing both the Inquisition and the Index (to of the most shameful episodes in the long history of the Roman Catholic Church? If it continues as it currently acting, not only will the Jewish community fail, it will transform The Truth into a powerful weapon, which WILL be used against it--with fearsome results. No, we cannot bring the victims back to life, any more than we can restore life to those German POWs who were hanged for the Katyn Masscre, which everyone knew was simply murder; nor to the bewildered Danes and Norwegians, who were ordered to a duty station, simply to be murdered in cold blood. The question is not whether one is an Affirmer or Denier, but whether one actively pursues the revealing of the Truth or actively seeks to keep it hidden. Those are the real categories. I have not merely answered your question, to the best of my ability, Andy. I have used it as a springboard to fashion an _Apologia_. In return, you might answer mine: what do you, Rosenberg and the other Tarantulas hope to accomplish with jejune posts, "Animal House" behavior, and meaningless _ad hominum_ attacks--other than to render NewsGroups worthless. This is not a public restroom. Tarantula behavior should be done away with. Or are simply a spoiled child? MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Mon Sep 23 17:17:55 PDT 1996 Article: 30876 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!udel-eecis!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!resurrect From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: rec.music.rem,rec.music.christian,alt.zen,alt.skinheads,alt.satanism,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.black,alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan,alt.psychoactives,alt.parents-teens,alt.music.black-metal,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick,alt.geek,alt.flame,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.evil,alt.christnet,alt.blasphemy,alt.bible.prophecy,alt.atheism,alt.2600,alt.wired,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.christnet.theology,alt.fan.oj-simpson,talk.religion.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.african-american,alt.flame,alt.destroy.the.usa,alt.nuke.the.earth Subject: Re: Take the Oath of Heresy: DEFECATE in the mouth of JEHOVAH Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 00:52:20 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <31A17CB0.1FF8@infinet.com> <-2205960826590001@pool045.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <31A369DB.1BF7@infinet.com> <4o2hss$jp8@ginger.lei.net> <-2405960508040001@pool012.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <4o48ts$iq3@ginger.lei.net> <-2405961306310001@pool047.max1.san-diego.ca.dynip.alter.net> <4o5s5c$23i@nuntius.u-net.net> <4o6d88$7sc@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <31BCE39A.3ABC@one.net> <31c1d6de.14978818@sylvania.sev.org> <31C2DE92.4291@msn.com> <4put52$fm7@vivaldi.telepac.pt> <31CF7B5C.84E@internetmci.com> <50vp8f$gfg@news.cais.com> <515j9m$f814@canb.cin.gov.au> <32388EED.362D@geocities.com> <32398A51.75FA@humboldt1.com> <51a7dd$v88@camel3.mindspring.com> <323E686B.3EA5@enternet.co.nz> <51nvpn$afc@jerry.loop.net> <51paib$9db@news1.gte.net> <32409f18.9391570@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51sh87$73o@news1.gte.net> <324267c3.5892189@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <51v21a$o0a@news1.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca15-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Sep 20 5:57:00 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca rec.music.rem:24617 rec.music.christian:80979 alt.zen:18705 alt.skinheads:38052 alt.satanism:32959 alt.rock-n-roll.metal.death:16758 alt.religion.scientology:192841 alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan:10582 alt.psychoactives:13860 alt.parents-teens:12139 alt.magick:53825 alt.geek:8176 alt.flame:26238 alt.fan.oj-simpson:50896 alt.evil:23690 alt.christnet:107565 alt.bible.prophecy:7926 alt.atheism:50103 alt.2600:110131 alt.wired:37462 alt.christnet.ethics:3342 alt.christnet.theology:23384 talk.religion.misc:150982 alt.politics.nationalism.white:30876 alt.politics.white-power:44390 soc.culture.israel:43881 Reposting article removed by rogue canceller. shitt@onyourface.com ("Four Skin") wrote: >>Don't work about it. You'd be safe in ANY crowd! > > >>SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! >> "Ursus Major" > > >Don't worry, I won't WORK about it... you're such a fuckin bore...I >don't think I'll talk to you anymore. > Hmmmm... Just as I thought: no one on the basket ball team WAS inter- ested. Well, like I said, you ARE safe in ANY crowd. (Better luck next time. Try someplace not so well lit. You MAY have a chance there.) ========================================================= SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 25 07:38:36 PDT 1996 Article: 68616 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!news.ececs.uc.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet Subject: THE PINK SWASTIKA: "proof" the Nazis were a homo-s&m clique -- yours free! Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:08:16 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 74 Message-ID: <3248c071.64012286@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <199609070135.SAA02878@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> <09SEP96.14484396.0075@IBM.UTM.EDU> <512cjl$k0l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <517g6v$g2c@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <51ar5e$3h4@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> <51cu9t$qjj@jerry.loop.net> <51de82$bt1@news-e2b.gnn.com> <51dp4c$7vg@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <324084A6.80A@avana.net> <32414026.C00@rio.com> <51ui6h$56b@jerry.loop.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca13-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 25 2:13:05 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:31117 alt.christnet:108276 alt.christnet.ethics:3423 alt.politics.white-power:44602 alt.revisionism:68616 alt.skinheads:38169 rec.music.christian:81022 "The Pink Triangle" is a book, the authors are so anxious for you to have, they're giving it away: i.e. publishing it on the Net. All you need do to obtain your overpriced copy is connect in via http://home.earthlink.net/~lively and let 'er rip ... This one's VERY cleverly planned. It's intended to deflect and confuse the hysterical homophobes prevailing among Jesus-Thumpers, skins, neo-crypo-embrionic "Nazis" (which includes all Holocaust "Deniers" and most who fail to use a man's deodorent). A TRIPLE Whammy: fag- bashing (incl. exposing the insidious plots of the Learned Elders of Sodom), extolling the JUDEO-Christian foundations of the U.S., poin- ting out what happens when _faegeles_ achieve power (viz. the Third Reich), and wrapping it all up in a neat package. If Holocaust "Deniers," any other types of "Nazi-drifters", and "homosexualists" (those who hold that one's sex-life is his own affair: i.e. you don't have to be homosexual to be a "homosexualist"--you can be straight as a rail, but "live-&-let-live" makes you into a homosexualist!) are not curtailed, there's a GRAVE DANGER the U.S. will become a neo-Nazi entity within the next fifty years. Amusing to see Holohuggers making common cause with groups like National Appliance and the Metzgorites. One can understand why, of course: to create chaos among the homophobic neo-Nazis, promote the Judeo-Christian myth, and keep the 5-Minute-Hate running full steam. (They ought to send a copy to Nizkor. TWO!) The title's a little silly. How about, "The Protocols of the Elders of Sodom"? That sounds a lot more profound. Pink Swastika? Sounds like a Mel Brooks routine: you know, "Hitler on Ice." For the record, the U.S. was NOT founded by Christians. The real movers--Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, and [John] Adams-- were all Deists (which was the 18th century code-word for Epi- cureans). The Declaration of Independence (principally written by Jefferson) is in fact THE Creed for Secular Humanism. "Laws of Nature," not "Laws of Moses." "Nature's God," which is closer to Pan than Yaweh/Christ/Allah (and Jefferson objected to using the word "God" at all). The Credo for Secular Humanism can be found in Jefferson's "self- evident" Truths. A self-evident truth is an axiom. There's nothing to PROVE all men are created anything or endowed with anything. (Even as Hume stated there was nothing to prove the existence of God, which would hold up in a court of law.) Jefferson's was laying down an Epicurean foundation: these are the NEW Rules of the Game, totally man-made. There ain't no Judeo- Christian ANYTHING. The Mosaic Myths are INTENTIONALLY booted out. (Tom Paine was a bit too up front when he published _The Age of Reason_, which takes "Holy Writ" and tears it to shreds.) Jefferson told him to cool it. The Great Unlettered were not that advanced. "Deism" was for the Select, not the hoi poloi. There is indeed a State Religion contained in the Declaration and Constitution: The Religion of NO Religion--freedom of and FROM it. Appeals to Judeo-Christian mythology are just appeals to the prevailing myths. It's amusing to watch the Jews running around trying to drive a stake through the heart of the Nazi vampire, which just won't die. Have they thought about exorcism? As anti-Semitism is rarely found among the libertarian element (after all, live-&-let-live applies to Jews too), the authors are trying to capitalize on the homophobia which is prevalent among the skins and anti-Semites, is nurtured by latent fascists, and permiates hard-core Fundamentalism.When it comes to deflection and distortion, some people are "Chosen" masters at it. Just consider the source. t-t-that's all folks! U.M. From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 25 07:38:37 PDT 1996 Article: 68617 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!visi.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.christnet,alt.christnet.ethics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,rec.music.christian,alt.christnet Subject: Re: Hitler was a Christain Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:37:41 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3248df40.71899131@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <324084A6.80A@avana.net> <51t02r$9mo_001@bopeep.uwaterloo.ca> <521e9f$6fn@news.onramp.net> <32445b55.5707751@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <521ran$epi@news1.panix.com> <3244aa08.11661346@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <522cnj$ht2@news1.panix.com> <523k19$69a@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> <527q3g$j3a@news1.panix.com> <529vih$brb@news.onramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca13-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 25 2:42:28 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:31119 alt.christnet:108277 alt.christnet.ethics:3424 alt.politics.white-power:44604 alt.revisionism:68617 alt.skinheads:38170 rec.music.christian:81023 saxon@onramp.net (Eric Wheelock) wrote: >--snipped for brevity-- > >>I refer to Marduk as myth because I'm a Jew, and all other >religions >>to me are myth. > > >What makes your mythology true for the world and Babylonian >mythology simply "mythology"? Please share your insight. > > >>Oh, and fuck you too. > >Typical > >>Andrew Mathis > >Eric Eric, you should know by now that you don't try to rationally discuss ANYTHING with the Chosen Tarantula Mathis. There's only one place for the _meshuggene_ troll: the kill-file. It's like a stray cat: you keep feeding it, it'll hang around. Foul- mouthed twerp and Professional--not confessional--Profession Jew! Save your obvious talents for threads where they'll be treated with the respect they deserve. Let the Tarantulas feed off each other. ================================================= MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 25 08:22:18 PDT 1996 Article: 31094 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!news.mcgill.ca!DMI.USherb.CA!sunqbc.risq.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,can.politics Subject: Re: white people organize now? (Get a life) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:25:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3248dda1.71483569@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <51t9f0$b3q@news.sas.ab.ca> <51ulhi$lhr@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca13-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 25 2:29:52 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:31094 can.politics:73173 Cheap shot! The guy's obviously a _messugenah_. Send 'im a copy of _The Pink Swastika_. He'll totally freak out! ============================================================ SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 25 15:21:55 PDT 1996 Article: 68770 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.jewish Subject: Re: Fascist Continent Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:50:31 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 19 Message-ID: <32497db3.1846468@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <3235C301.FD7@airmail.net> <516vnp$a3e@snow.btinternet.com> <517k1u$6j2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <3237C11E.31FB@concentric.net> <3241F206.5EAE@avana.net> <525r8g$8v3@news1.ucsd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca19-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 25 1:55:17 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:44662 alt.revisionism:68770 alt.politics.nationalism.white:31198 soc.culture.jewish:76885 fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu (Fragano Ledgister) wrote: >Chris DeNeve (cddeneve@avana.net) wrote: >: Untrue Nazism brought an economic boom to the German economy. It >: brought Germany out of the depression and allowed it to create the most >: powerful war machine ever know to man > >If this was what untrue Nazism did, what on earth did true Nazism >do? > Initiated the "tradition" on lighting the Olympic torch by the sun's rays at the ancient Temple of Zeus, introduced the Volkswagen, made the first non-stop transatlantic passenger light by plane and presented _Carmina Burana_ to the world--among other things. MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 25 15:21:57 PDT 1996 Article: 68776 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.jewish Subject: Re: Fascist Continent Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:43:49 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 27 Message-ID: <32497c85.1544326@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <3235C301.FD7@airmail.net> <516vnp$a3e@snow.btinternet.com> <517k1u$6j2@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <3237C11E.31FB@concentric.net> <3241F206.5EAE@avana.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca19-18.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 25 11:48:37 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:44664 alt.revisionism:68776 alt.politics.nationalism.white:31200 soc.culture.jewish:76891 mamta@uclink4.berkeley.edu (The Mac Gangsta) wrote: >In article <3241F206.5EAE@avana.net>, cddeneve@avana.net wrote: > >> Untrue Nazism brought an economic boom to the German economy. It >> brought Germany out of the depression and allowed it to create the most >> powerful war machine ever know to man > > >You're late to class--and school's already out!!! > >We've already debunked this loser-lumpen-white-trash-supremacist misconception. > >Go back to drinking with your other loser friend Tom Metzger, if he can >afford any booze now that he's bankrupt and had to go on welfare!!! Maybe >you can offer him one of your best clothing items, some white-supremacist >t-shirt that says "LOSER!" all over it! > Another scuzz-bag Tarantula, who having no facts to present can only wallow in insults. Aren't you glad that kill-files are effective Tarantula exterminators? I am Shalom, mamzer! ============================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Wed Sep 25 17:29:54 PDT 1996 Article: 68797 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: David Irving: Hear him YOURSELF, via the Internet!! Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:17:22 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3249add4.3824537@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32433d6c.14269405@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32448ee9.4718277@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <522b96$h6o@news1.panix.com> <32450a0d.19772505@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <5253df$ho3@lendl.cc.emory.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca15-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 25 5:22:12 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:31207 alt.revisionism:68797 libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) wrote: >Ursus Major (ursus_m@ix.netcom.com) wrote: > >: No, we cannot bring the victims back to life, any more than we can >: restore life to those German POWs who were hanged for the Katyn >: Masscre > > >Would you like to name one German who was hanged for the Katyn >massacre? > >Just one, George. That's all you need. > >Bill I'm sorry, Bill I do not have the list; however, if you like I'll be happy to place gifs of the "guards" at Dachau, who arrived there a few hours before the Americans, and were murdered in cold blood. They had nothing to do with any concentration camp. There were simply stood up against a wall, while the cameras rolled. When the director said "Shoot!" I had a double meaning. I don't have their names either; however, I will be happy to post scans of their massacre--if you like. (Oh, oh, the Web is trembling. Better scurry along!) =============================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 08:57:31 PDT 1996 Article: 69336 of alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.white-power,alt.revisionism Subject: Re: David Irving: Hear him YOURSELF, via the Internet!! Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:33:20 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3249af9d.4281623@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <32433d6c.14269405@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <32448ee9.4718277@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <522b96$h6o@news1.panix.com> <32450a0d.19772505@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <523ju0$nud@news1.panix.com> <528v5j$s7m@cnn.cc.biu.ac.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca15-22.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 25 5:38:11 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:31435 alt.revisionism:69336 schultr@ashur.cc.biu.ac.il (Richard Schultz) wrote: >Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) wrote: > >[to "Ursus [sic] Major"] > >: OK, so your answer is 2.5-3 million (half the almost universally >: excepted figure) and you add the footnote that most of these deaths >: were unintentional. > >Actually, the claim that the deaths of the Jews were "unintentional" >would be a specious one in any case. One might ask, what percentage >of the German civilians died during that period, and how does it compare >with the percentage of Jewish civilians who died? Unless Mr. Major can >show that the two numbers are in the same ballpark, he is going to have >a real hard time explaining in what sense the deaths of the Jews were >"unintentional." > I would suggest you consult Yahuda Bauer and the definative book "Why the Heavens Did Not Darken" as to the fearsome toll exacted by the typhus epidemic, which raged as the Reich became Ragnarok. These hell-holes were hardly "Club Med," but then neither are the camps where the Palestinians, "who left voluntarily" (Deir Yassin being a powerful inducement), have spent the last four decades. If the Germans were intent upon exterminating these people, why were they exactuated west _into_ Germany, as the Red Army approached. Even ex-Kapo Simon Wiesenthal has admitted than none of the camps in Germany were extermination centers. We find, however, Anne Frank and her sisted being evacuated from Auschitz and transferred to dreadfully overcrowded Bergen-Belsen, where typhus raged not only among the prisoners, but also among their keepers. Yet all during the war, the Jewish cemetary in Berlin continued to function. The head later became the Head Rabbi in East Germany. Strange, most strange. =========================================================== SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)! "Ursus Major" From ursus_m@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 27 10:25:22 PDT 1996 Article: 31419 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!nntp.reed.edu!sun.lclark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-13.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power Subject: STUDENT? EURO-STOCK? VISIT THE EUR0-AMER S.U.! Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:52:03 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3248e19d.72504020@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: irv-ca13-24.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 25 2:56:50 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.nationalism.white:31419 alt.politics.white-power:44855 The Euro-American Student Union (certified NOT a "hate-group") welcomes all those supportive of maintaining the fundamentally European culture of the United States and interested in Greater European (incl. U.S., Canada, Australia, Argentina, etc.) history, folklore, traditions, and common cultural roots. The E.S.U. is NOT, per se, a Revisionist site! Surf in, look around, you'll probably find it both interesting and educational (at least they hope so). It's BY students and FOR students http://www.nwlink.com/~justin49 ======================================================== MULTAE GENTES, UNA STIRPES! "Ursus Major"

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