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potato@mo.net (Frank Weltner) says:

> Give me the $1 billion first. Then, I'll tell. Otherwise, I won't!
> So, there. You are just trying to get this excellent information
> for free, and then you are going to use it to destroy us. I know YOU.

Yuck, yuck, yuck....oh a wise guy!



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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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Subject: White Nationalism
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                       Introduction to Nationalism

	We hear much about nationalism in the news and even from some in 
the White movement. Usually, nationalism is maligned as a bad thing 
leading to disintegration and mass violence. To the media, it is the 
stability-threatening force that causes governments to fall. To those in 
the White movement, it is the force that causes White brothers to fight 
each other. However, a better understanding of nationalism is necessary 
to appreciate its true role in world politics and how it relates to our 
own movement.
	There are many myths about what nationalism is. For many, 
nationalism only evidences itself as warfare between ethnic groups or as 
the force that destabilizes multi-ethnic countries. However, this view 
misses a much more important fact about nationalism: that it is something
that affects people's everyday actions in many positive ways while never 
causing them to engage in acts of violence. Another myth about 
nationalism is that it is something fundamentally different from racism. 
In fact, the basis of nationalism can be one or more of several 
influences such as religion, race, language or other factors.

Nationalism
-----------
	Nationalism is a complex phenomenon that is not always 
immediately easy to grasp. It is a whole ideological viewpoint that 
affects all aspects of one's every day political, cultural, economic and 
social life. As Anthony D. Smith defines it in Nationalism in the 
Twentieth Century, it is "...the ideological movement for the attainment 
and maintenance of autonomy, cohesion, and individuality for a social 
group, some of whose members conceive it to be an actual or potential
nation." In accordance with this definition, it can be seen that 
virtually any activity taken on behalf of the nation (a social group) 
could be considered a "nationalistic act." Such things as writing poetry 
to spread the ideals of the nation, learning the historical dances of 
that nation, speaking in the historical language of that people, or 
engaging in politics on behalf of the nation's interests are all 
"nationalistic acts." In extreme cases, nationalism does evidence itself
as ethnic warfare when two or more ethnic groups compete at the expense 
of each other's interests. According to John Breuilly in Nationalism and 
the State:

	A nationalist argument is a political doctrine built upon three 
basic assertions:
		a. There exists a nation with an explicit and
                   peculiar character
		b. The interests and values of this nation take
                   priority over all other interests and
		   values.
		c. The nation must be as independent as possible.
                   This usually requires at least
                   attainment of political sovereignty.
                   [Breuilly, 1982. p 3]

	In accordance with the above definitions, one can see that our 
own movement to ensure the survival of the White race is a nationalist 
movement. This is even more strikingly evident when one considers Aryan 
Nation's own slogan: "Your race is your nation." This slogan is an
obvious statement linking racial and nationalistic arguments and ideals.

The State
---------
	Nationalists make explicit distinctions between the nation, which 
is a social group, and the State, which is a government that rules over 
one or more nations. Therefore, nationalists often state that nationalism 
is love of one's people, whereby patriotism is love of the State. It is
important to understand this difference between nationalism and 
patriotism since most arguments against nationalism are patriotic 
attempts to ensure the survival of a particular State.
	As a political institution, the State is an entity with its own 
interests. States derive their power from the number of people whom they 
are able to tax and control through laws and by force. Because of this, 
there is a conflict of interests between the State and the nation. Often,
States find it necessary to suppress nationalistic feelings and 
disenfranchise national groups in order to secure their dominance. Where 
several ethnic groups exist in a single State, the State must compromise 
one group's national interests in order to satisfy the desires of 
minority groups or to assure standing in the eyes of other nations or 
States of the world. Often, minority groups are able to assume control of 
the State apparatus and thus make it an instrument of their own
ends. To the nationalist, often the only viable State is one that is 
expressly structure to protect and promote his own nation above all 
others; therefore, multi-ethnic States are seen as illegitimate.

The Nation
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	The key concept in understanding nationalism is knowing the 
meaning of the word nation. Contrary to the everyday use of the word 
nation, which often includes the many different ethnic groups existing in 
a certain State, the nationalist definition of nation is those people who
believe they belong together because they are a social group bound by 
blood, language, culture, religion or other factors. As Walker Conner 
says, "The essence of the nation is a psychological bond that joins a 
people and differentiates it, in the subconscious convictions of its 
members, from all non-members in a most vital way" [Conner, 1994. p 197]. 
There are many such bonds, but perhaps the strongest national identity is 
that founded on race (lineage or bloodline). "In sharpest contrast with 
most academic analysts of nationalism, those who have successfully
mobilized nations have understood that at the core of ethnopsychology is 
the sense of shared blood, and they have not hesitated to appeal to it" 
[Conner, p 197]. Other bases of ethnic identity include many other 
features such as language, folkways, historical viewpoints and other
characteristics.

The White Nationalist Perspective
---------------------------------
	With the above understanding of nations and States, we Whites can 
examine our own situation better. Phrasing our position in terms of the 
basic nationalist arguments, one can state that we Whites are a nation, 
that the interests and values of that nation take priority over all
others and that we must be as independent as possible. Therefore, we must 
embark on a program leading towards greater sovereignty and security for 
our nation. We must not let ANY government impose policies and programs 
that are harmful to our nation's interests.
	We must recognize that the U.S. Government, as a State, has 
subverted the interests of our nation and that unless measures are taken 
to bolster our nation, all that we hold as dear will be destroyed.

Conclusion
----------
	Nationalism is a social movement by a people seeking the 
maintenance of their group. The key element in nationalism is the nation, 
a social group of those people who believe that they belong together 
because of common characteristics and interests. By putting the interests 
of their social group ahead of all other interests, they are able to 
ensure its survival. Because they put the interests of their people 
first, nations are often in conflict with the States in which they
reside. This most often results in a desire for political sovereignty by 
nations. The nationalist model applies to the White movement in North 
America. With a better understanding of nationalism, one can learn to 
utilize the tactics of other nationalist movements around the world.

References
----------
Breuilly, John. 1982. Nationalism and the State. ISBN 0-312-56005-2.

Conner, Walker. 1994. "Beyond Reason: The Nature of the Ethnonational 
Bond." in
Ethnonationalism: The Quest for Understanding. Princeton University 
Press. ISBN 0-691-02563-
0.

Smith, Anthony D. 1979. Nationalism in the Twentieth Century. ISBN 
0-8147-7803-8.






From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Wed Jan  3 08:12:40 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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Shannon says:

> Wyatt Kaldenburg says:
>>Liberals are people who live in mostly White areas. The darker
>>your town gets. The less liberal you become.
>
>
> Interesting. Never heard that before. How did you come to this
> conclusion? Studies I have seen often show the opposite.

Shannon, can you cite the "studies?" Or is this just wishful thinking?



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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Thu Jan  4 23:39:17 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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On Tue, 02 Jan 96 20:16:40 GMT, Caesar  wrote:

>Would white nationalists object to a Native American state?

Not me. In fact, I demand it. The only way that justice will prevail
for either people is through self-determination. Of course, that
doesn't mean that once we have separate political states that we
can't cooperate together economically and for each other's political
security. It merely means that we are different nations with different
interests.

>
>If whites want their own state, then why shouldn't Native Americans
>have theirs?

I believe they should.

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Mon Jan  8 06:46:11 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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Although they like to pretend that they are driven by the utmost of love 
for humanity (whatever that is). The truth is that the anti-Whites are 
hateful bigots. Yet more proof of this abounds in my mail box:

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From: Antonio Lucena Sampaio 
To: "'pendragn@cyberg8t.com'" 
Subject: Racism, Paranoia & Lobotomy
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 23:52:29 +-100

    Where did you learn American History, buddy?
    On bathroom wall writings?
    Since when is America a white country?
    Since the barbaric european invasions, right, prick?
    Where did you get lobotomized, it shure was a nice job. Could you 
E-mail and tell me? My dog needs one.
    You talk a lot about white supremacy, but you allways forget that you 
can 
bleed too, fuckers !!!
     I will find you and use your brain for dog-food, asshole!
     By the way, how's your bitch, err... wife ? I know she likes jews 
but preffers
negros ( Ya know, those guys with 14 inches dicks, unlike yours, 
pee-wee!)
     I am a white European, who hates nazi freaks, come here and we'll 
get ugly on your ass ( with a pair of scissors and a blow torch!!!).
     "You still think swastikas look cool...In the real 4th Reich you' ll 
be the first too go"
     
			Bad White Motherfucker
    




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> It would appear that Americans would rather have the government do
> the deciding for them.

Not this "American." Any government that tells me I can't discriminate
with my property and for the benefit of my people isn't my government.

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                            N O T H I N G !

                               W H I N E !

                   Say that those nasty White people probably
                   deserved it after the centuries of discrimination
                   targetted at Blacks.





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> It would appear that Americans would rather have the government do
> the deciding for them.

Not this "American." Any government that tells me I can't discriminate
with my property and for the benefit of my people isn't my government.

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Wed Jan 10 06:31:47 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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> Don't be an idiot and take Steven Pedery out of context.  He has
> proven time and time again that without immigration Canada would
> have a shrinking population that would lead to the economic collapse
> of this country in no time.  He has provided all the statistics that 
> repeated prove this beyond any doubt to anybody with a brain.ime.
>
> Only with increased immigration can Canada survive.

Nonsense. Don't be an idiot. Don't forget the assumptions that underlie
any such studies (i.e. assuming X doesn't change and Y doesn't change).
A government that really cared about the people of Canada would be
promoting conditions leading to larger families. After all, we French
Canadians have no problem increasing our population. No ethnic group
needs foreign immigration.

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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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Derek Bell   writes:

>> Arthur LeBouthillier  writes:
>>Although they like to pretend that they are driven by the utmost of
>>love for humanity (whatever that is). The truth is that the
>>anti-Whites are hateful bigots. Yet more proof of this abounds in
>> my mail box:
>
>        Who are the `anti-White's?
>
>        Derek

People who are opposed to White ethno-racial and ethno-national 
existence. These people mask their true hatred of us with trying to "stop 
the hate" when they themselves are the biggest purveyors of hatred 
AGAINST Whites. These people deny that we exist as an ethnic group or 
recognizing that, still try to interfere with our existence. They also 
put forth political and social policies which are detrimental to our 
existence and our interests. In other words, they are anti-White.

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Michel Fingerhut  wants us to believe:

> Shouldn't that be enough in order to let all those who wish to
> safaguard Usenet (and, more seriously, the world at large) as
> a democratic place to vote against this group?

"...as a democratic place..."? Don't you mean as a Social Democratic
place? Boy! These guys are really stretching it now! Now, they want
us to believe that censorship equals democracy.

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Fri Jan 12 10:32:48 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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Subject: Re: We must have rec.music.white-power.
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> Maybe every distasteful idea needs a newsgroup.  But calling hate
> "rec." just because someone sets it to "music" is an abuse.  Free
> speech doesn't give you the right to mislead.

O.K. then stop misleading people. As a White Nationalist, I enjoy
White Power music. I would like a forum to discuss that with others
around the world.

> Rec.music.white-power should be kept off the charts.

I disagree. Rec.music.white-power should be available for all to
discuss its issues.


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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Sat Jan 13 10:14:49 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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Subject: Nationalism on the rise
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Check out this article on nationalism. It is in an online magazine
called the Southern Patriot. It's pretty good. 

         http://www.dixienet.org/spatriot/vol2no2/member4.html


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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Sun Jan 14 11:54:52 PST 1996
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Mofo, , says:

> you know, its assholes like you who give minorities a reason to
> be assholes like the pro-j's.  if you would act and think civil,
> these people wouldnt have to go around carrying a chip on
> their shoulder.

Oh! So you're admitting that the Nons are, in fact, walking around
with chips on their shoulders to spite Whites. It doesn't matter.
Good for them. They'll bury themselves without "assholes like me"
helping them.

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Sun Jan 14 14:36:26 PST 1996
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David Whitt,   chortles:

> Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life.
>                                        -Eric Hoffer
> Right Les?

Oh! So now we know why you guys hate Whites so much.





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Mofo, , says:

> you know, its assholes like you who give minorities a reason to
> be assholes like the pro-j's.  if you would act and think civil,
> these people wouldnt have to go around carrying a chip on
> their shoulder.

Oh! So you're admitting that the Nons are, in fact, walking around
with chips on their shoulders to spite Whites. It doesn't matter.
Good for them. They'll bury themselves without "assholes like me"
helping them.

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Mon Jan 15 10:18:44 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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> I've got 2 murders behind my house, the minister's wife next door
> with 5 staples in the back of her head from being beaten on the
> street, the widow next door wanting to move after 60 years because
> the black section 8 kid threatens her, 20 black kids fighting in
> the street and 6 cop cars showing up to stop them, a black man
> caught with a full burglar's bag in my neighbor's yard across the
> street, a shooting several weeks ago, and 10 murders in 12 blocks
> including 2 Washington University girls raped and shot in the
> throat, one of which survived. Yes, "Frank has no excuse."

hey! What's wrong with all of this?! Are you some kind of bigot or
something? You're just trying to impose your morality on others! :-)
These are the beauties of a multicultural society!

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> I've got 2 murders behind my house, the minister's wife next door
> with 5 staples in the back of her head from being beaten on the
> street, the widow next door wanting to move after 60 years because
> the black section 8 kid threatens her, 20 black kids fighting in
> the street and 6 cop cars showing up to stop them, a black man
> caught with a full burglar's bag in my neighbor's yard across the
> street, a shooting several weeks ago, and 10 murders in 12 blocks
> including 2 Washington University girls raped and shot in the
> throat, one of which survived. Yes, "Frank has no excuse."

hey! What's wrong with all of this?! Are you some kind of bigot or
something? You're just trying to impose your morality on others! :-)
These are the beauties of a multicultural society!

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Mon Jan 15 16:49:22 PST 1996
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Orest Slepokura wrote:

> O.K. Let's look at it with logic...
>
> Alain Resnais and Moshe Peer are giving you their version of
> the Holocaust story. Resnais: nine million people exterminated
> at Birkenau alone; Peer: survived no less than six attempts at
> gassing in homicidal "gas chambers" where we're told none existed.
>
> Do you believe them; and if you don't, does that make you a
> "Holocaust denier"?

Uh, oh!!!! They're going to put you on their list of bigots, haters
and deniers now!!!!!!


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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Wed Jan 17 15:11:36 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Miscegenation.  Right here, right now.
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> Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) wrote:
> : In article <821183015snz@augur.demon.co.uk>, Caesar
>  says:
> : >It's just the neo-Nazis here don't want their "white race"
> : >to intermarry because they irrationally hate anyone
> : >with different skin pigmentation from them.
> : >
> : Please state how it is irrational.
>
> Uhh....your skin is black, therefore I hate you.
>
> Or.....your skin is yellow, therefore I hate you.
>
> Better yet....your skin is not the same color as mine, therefore I
> hate you.
>
> And finally, your slking is not mine, therefore I hate you.
> This I can understand.  Not that he's mine, or anything.  Just
> that you'd be jealous of someone who does possess him.

Now that you've made the assertions that anyone has said those things,
I request that you present proof that anyone has. Those viewpoints are
your own understanding of what we're about, not our own real viewpoints.
Get a clue. You people are just as much into "stereotyping" as you
pretend that we are.

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Wed Jan 17 15:11:37 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: We dont want any more immigrants!
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> Both the left and the right agree that immigration should be
> increased. Whether it be Sunera Thobani or Steven Lewis from the
> left or people like Andrew Coyne who is a well known business author
> or Frederick Ketchen president of the Toronto Stock Exchange, they
> all agree that we should be reducting the restrictive system we
>  presently have.


Neither "the left" nor "the right" are unitary assemblies. That you
can find some examples of people with the same values in both camps
proves the uselessness of the terms. Both "the left" and "the right"
that you are talking about are economic determinists (i.e. they are
both in the same camp).

> Business and manufacturing will go where the talent and labour are
> in the globalized economy.  The only way we can attract it is to
> bring the talent and labour here.  If both the left and right can
> agree on these issues based upon the facts why can't you unless
> your arguments aren't based upon logic but upon emotion and racism?

Bull. We don't need "the globalized economy." Economics is a means
to our ends, not the end itself. If you define our ends in purely
economic terms, you will always come up with the same answer (which
is where both of those groupings come out with the same answer).


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> Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) wrote:
> : In article <821183015snz@augur.demon.co.uk>, Caesar
>  says:
> : >It's just the neo-Nazis here don't want their "white race"
> : >to intermarry because they irrationally hate anyone
> : >with different skin pigmentation from them.
> : >
> : Please state how it is irrational.
>
> Uhh....your skin is black, therefore I hate you.
>
> Or.....your skin is yellow, therefore I hate you.
>
> Better yet....your skin is not the same color as mine, therefore I
> hate you.
>
> And finally, your slking is not mine, therefore I hate you.
> This I can understand.  Not that he's mine, or anything.  Just
> that you'd be jealous of someone who does possess him.

Now that you've made the assertions that anyone has said those things,
I request that you present proof that anyone has. Those viewpoints are
your own understanding of what we're about, not our own real viewpoints.
Get a clue. You people are just as much into "stereotyping" as you
pretend that we are.

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: >No one ever asked the average Native American whether you
: >whites could invade and steal their land.


That's right. Just like you're not asking us if we want to be invaded.

Don't pretend you're considering our "needs."

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: >No one ever asked the average Native American whether you
: >whites could invade and steal their land.


That's right. Just like you're not asking us if we want to be invaded.

Don't pretend you're considering our "needs."

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Thu Jan 25 14:25:27 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: RE: Defining "white"
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Laura Finsten  wrote:


> We are attempting to get a definition of "white" here, a presumably
> racial category.  As a presumably racial category, then, we are
> talking about identifying a biological group.

Laura, you need to look in the dictionary for the word "equivocate."
As you can see, it means to confuse the many different ideas which
underlie the same spelled/pronounced word. The important thing is
that there are not as many words as there are concepts and so many
different concepts get mapped to the same words. Therefore, we must
then consider your inquiry, your meaning and ours. First, you see
"white" as a racial category; so do we. However, we mean something
somewhat different than do you. If you also look under your
dictionary for the word "race," you will see that it too has many
different meanings. There are such things as biological definitions
(i.e. definitions derived from the biological sciences) as well as
cultural and ethnic definitions. Therefore, it is possible that
racists have a different cognate for the word race than do you (and
we do).

For me, White means any of the people derived from the Celtic,
Germanic or Slavic peoples of Europe. As such, we are a race, by
which I mean a lineal ethnic group. That is not to say that we all
share the same identity, but at least the blood relationship is a
necessary part for inclusion in our race. Race (perhaps originating
among the Romans) is a far older term than "ethnic group" which has
come into common parlance since World War 2. As such, it integrates
a belief in the necessity of blood relationships with the common
concept of ethnicity.

So, as a racist, I would disagree with you that "race" is a purely
biological term (although the biological definition strongly correlates
to the ethnic definition).

> Are Germanic, Alpine, Norse, Moorish, Roman, Greek, Arab, Celtic,
> Pict, and Slavic racial groups?

Yes. But not as you mean the word.


> If figuring out who is "white" and who is not is as self-evident as
> some seem to imply, why can't someone out there post a list of the
> characteristics that distinguish the "white race" from all others?

Our unique lineo-ethnic heritage and a culture founded on its importance.

> There seems to be more than a little confusion about what is racially
> white and what is not.

The confusion is yours.

A good parallel might be the definition of Jewishness. For example (as
I'm sure you realize), Orthodox Jews have a racial definition of Jewry
and therefore only those of a particular bloodline are Jewish whereas
the other branches of Jewry have combinations of racial/religious
definitions. Does that mean that Jewry does not exist because they
can't come to agreement on certain foundational ideas? No.

Why don't you give me the one single definition of Jewishness to which
all Jews would agree?

> Given the paramount importance given membership in the "white race" by
> some people on this newsgroup, I am mystified by the obfuscation,
> confusion of ethnic and biological categories, and contradictions
> that are arising.  This ought to be an easy question.  Why can't I get
> a direct answer to this question?

I think you probably are but you are confusing cognates.


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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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Laura Finsten  wrote:


> We are attempting to get a definition of "white" here, a presumably
> racial category.  As a presumably racial category, then, we are
> talking about identifying a biological group.

Laura, you need to look in the dictionary for the word "equivocate."
As you can see, it means to confuse the many different ideas which
underlie the same spelled/pronounced word. The important thing is
that there are not as many words as there are concepts and so many
different concepts get mapped to the same words. Therefore, we must
then consider your inquiry, your meaning and ours. First, you see
"white" as a racial category; so do we. However, we mean something
somewhat different than do you. If you also look under your
dictionary for the word "race," you will see that it too has many
different meanings. There are such things as biological definitions
(i.e. definitions derived from the biological sciences) as well as
cultural and ethnic definitions. Therefore, it is possible that
racists have a different cognate for the word race than do you (and
we do).

For me, White means any of the people derived from the Celtic,
Germanic or Slavic peoples of Europe. As such, we are a race, by
which I mean a lineal ethnic group. That is not to say that we all
share the same identity, but at least the blood relationship is a
necessary part for inclusion in our race. Race (perhaps originating
among the Romans) is a far older term than "ethnic group" which has
come into common parlance since World War 2. As such, it integrates
a belief in the necessity of blood relationships with the common
concept of ethnicity.

So, as a racist, I would disagree with you that "race" is a purely
biological term (although the biological definition strongly correlates
to the ethnic definition).

> Are Germanic, Alpine, Norse, Moorish, Roman, Greek, Arab, Celtic,
> Pict, and Slavic racial groups?

Yes. But not as you mean the word.


> If figuring out who is "white" and who is not is as self-evident as
> some seem to imply, why can't someone out there post a list of the
> characteristics that distinguish the "white race" from all others?

Our unique lineo-ethnic heritage and a culture founded on its importance.

> There seems to be more than a little confusion about what is racially
> white and what is not.

The confusion is yours.

A good parallel might be the definition of Jewishness. For example (as
I'm sure you realize), Orthodox Jews have a racial definition of Jewry
and therefore only those of a particular bloodline are Jewish whereas
the other branches of Jewry have combinations of racial/religious
definitions. Does that mean that Jewry does not exist because they
can't come to agreement on certain foundational ideas? No.

Why don't you give me the one single definition of Jewishness to which
all Jews would agree?

> Given the paramount importance given membership in the "white race" by
> some people on this newsgroup, I am mystified by the obfuscation,
> confusion of ethnic and biological categories, and contradictions
> that are arising.  This ought to be an easy question.  Why can't I get
> a direct answer to this question?

I think you probably are but you are confusing cognates.


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                              Arthur LeBouthillier
                              pendragn@cyberg8t.com
                    http://www.geopages.com/CapitolHill/1889
                   We must secure the existence of our people
                         and a future for White children.
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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Fri Jan 26 15:25:04 PST 1996
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William_Mosco@vos.stratus.com says:

>> fresh816@aol.com (Fresh816) wrote:
>>
>> Dannie, you're such a fucking idiot.
>
>> We didn't need to have you say anything about "whites only"
>> first, because you fucking have a White Supremacist SIG.  2+2=4,
>> also, in case you haven't heard.
>
>> BTW, the only real Pagans are Hindus--they're also the only real
>> Aryans.
>
> There is no group of humans called "aryan".  That's the mother
> language of all the indo-european languages.  Jesus.  How many times
> do people have to explain that the term was never meant to mean "race";
> it came out of the study of LANGUAGE!

Of course you are wrong. Might I suggest you look at only one source:
the Zorastrian religion. It is an Aryan racial religion whereby they
have called themselves Aryans for many millenia. Additionally, I have
read ancient Persian scripts whereby the people called themselves
Aryan.

The usage by linguists came AFTER the racio-ethnic category.

>> Aryan was spoken by not only white people, that's where the "indo"
>> comes in.
>
>
>  "My opinions expressed belong to me; they can be yours also
>  if you wish to agree."

The "Indo" signifies that at the time the two language groups were
first identified as linked they were spoken by present-day (i.e. 19th
century) Indos (Indians) and Europeans. When one examines the
ethnological basis for that, it becomes obvious that the language
is the result of migrations (of White Aryans into the Asian
sub-continent). However, that current speakers of this language
aren't White doesn't mean that the ancient peoples weren't White.
That would be like saying that the Spaniards must have looked like
today's mestizos because the mestizos speak Spanish...NOT! The same
thing happened thousands of years ago that is happening in this
millenium...the Aryans are expanding, conquering (and unfortunately
intermixing) and their languages are picked up by the conquered.

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=>Then,I found out by watching the
=>entire Star Wars Triology,that Darth Vader had no black people in his
=>corps.

No, but Darth Vader does have two Hebrew symbols on his chest. Seriously,
you have to look close, but they're there...or check out the Star Wars
FAQ.







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William_Mosco@vos.stratus.com says:

>> fresh816@aol.com (Fresh816) wrote:
>>
>> Dannie, you're such a fucking idiot.
>
>> We didn't need to have you say anything about "whites only"
>> first, because you fucking have a White Supremacist SIG.  2+2=4,
>> also, in case you haven't heard.
>
>> BTW, the only real Pagans are Hindus--they're also the only real
>> Aryans.
>
> There is no group of humans called "aryan".  That's the mother
> language of all the indo-european languages.  Jesus.  How many times
> do people have to explain that the term was never meant to mean "race";
> it came out of the study of LANGUAGE!

Of course you are wrong. Might I suggest you look at only one source:
the Zorastrian religion. It is an Aryan racial religion whereby they
have called themselves Aryans for many millenia. Additionally, I have
read ancient Persian scripts whereby the people called themselves
Aryan.

The usage by linguists came AFTER the racio-ethnic category.

>> Aryan was spoken by not only white people, that's where the "indo"
>> comes in.
>
>
>  "My opinions expressed belong to me; they can be yours also
>  if you wish to agree."

The "Indo" signifies that at the time the two language groups were
first identified as linked they were spoken by present-day (i.e. 19th
century) Indos (Indians) and Europeans. When one examines the
ethnological basis for that, it becomes obvious that the language
is the result of migrations (of White Aryans into the Asian
sub-continent). However, that current speakers of this language
aren't White doesn't mean that the ancient peoples weren't White.
That would be like saying that the Spaniards must have looked like
today's mestizos because the mestizos speak Spanish...NOT! The same
thing happened thousands of years ago that is happening in this
millenium...the Aryans are expanding, conquering (and unfortunately
intermixing) and their languages are picked up by the conquered.

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                          pendragn@cyberg8t.com
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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Sun Jan 28 07:32:20 PST 1996
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Laura Finsten  says:

>Arthur LeBouthillier  wrote:
>
>>Boy! You anti-racists really need racism to justify yourselves!!!
>>What if we said that there are no biological/physiological
>>characteristics? What if we said that White were only an ethnological
>>term (like you guys imply)? Then what? You wouldn't know what to do!
>>You NEED biological racism to justify your continuous hatred of
>>Whites!!!
>
> Ummmm, "anti-racists" do not harbour "continuous hatred of Whites".
> That would be racism.

Oh! and you're just so upstanding and moral that you couldn't be
a racist!?! As a matter of fact they do. They (you) use their
"anti-racism" as a mask and justification for anti-Whiteness.

> As an anti-racist, I'll tell you what I do hate, though.  I hate
> prejudiced fools who make all their judgements about an individual's 
> intellect and worth as a human being based on categories, whether
> they are defined in terms of "lineo-ethnic and cultural heritage"
> or, more commonly and less obtusely, the colour of their skin.  

So, what you're really saying is that you can't stand having people
believe in things that you don't. Tough. We don't need your permission,
we don't need the non-Whites and eventually, we'll have our own
country again so that we will be safe from people like you and your
attempts to manipulate and social engineer our people.

> Perhaps you can clear up some of the confusion that reigns by
> telling me whether an otherwise "white" person who likes pizza
> or Thai food is a "lineo-ethnic and cultural heritage traitor".

I like pizza and Thai food but I'm not a "lineo-ethnic and cultural
traitor." Despite the fact that I like those things, my people, White
people, and a White nation are the highest ideals I hold. That's the
difference. Good is that which serves my nation and that doesn't
include "integrating" non-Whites.

> The point is that for self-professed racists like you, the bottom
> line IS the tiny portion of biology related to skin colour.

Now who is the "prejudiced fool"? You don't know anything about me
and already you're predicting that you know my positions and that
you know my motivations better than I do. I won't argue that skin
color is important but there are other things just as/more important.
For example, there are Asians (i.e. Koreans and Japanese) who have
skin color as white or whiter than many Whites, but I don't accept
them; ergo, your statement that skin color is the only issue is false.

For some of us, we've had a culture which is distinctly different
>from  non-whites and we're not going to change for their or your
benefit. You're the one with the "skin-color" hangup. So what if
people want to use skin color as an identifier of the members of
their people. What's it to you?

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Laura Finsten  says:

>Arthur LeBouthillier  wrote:
>
>>Boy! You anti-racists really need racism to justify yourselves!!!
>>What if we said that there are no biological/physiological
>>characteristics? What if we said that White were only an ethnological
>>term (like you guys imply)? Then what? You wouldn't know what to do!
>>You NEED biological racism to justify your continuous hatred of
>>Whites!!!
>
> Ummmm, "anti-racists" do not harbour "continuous hatred of Whites".
> That would be racism.

Oh! and you're just so upstanding and moral that you couldn't be
a racist!?! As a matter of fact they do. They (you) use their
"anti-racism" as a mask and justification for anti-Whiteness.

> As an anti-racist, I'll tell you what I do hate, though.  I hate
> prejudiced fools who make all their judgements about an individual's 
> intellect and worth as a human being based on categories, whether
> they are defined in terms of "lineo-ethnic and cultural heritage"
> or, more commonly and less obtusely, the colour of their skin.  

So, what you're really saying is that you can't stand having people
believe in things that you don't. Tough. We don't need your permission,
we don't need the non-Whites and eventually, we'll have our own
country again so that we will be safe from people like you and your
attempts to manipulate and social engineer our people.

> Perhaps you can clear up some of the confusion that reigns by
> telling me whether an otherwise "white" person who likes pizza
> or Thai food is a "lineo-ethnic and cultural heritage traitor".

I like pizza and Thai food but I'm not a "lineo-ethnic and cultural
traitor." Despite the fact that I like those things, my people, White
people, and a White nation are the highest ideals I hold. That's the
difference. Good is that which serves my nation and that doesn't
include "integrating" non-Whites.

> The point is that for self-professed racists like you, the bottom
> line IS the tiny portion of biology related to skin colour.

Now who is the "prejudiced fool"? You don't know anything about me
and already you're predicting that you know my positions and that
you know my motivations better than I do. I won't argue that skin
color is important but there are other things just as/more important.
For example, there are Asians (i.e. Koreans and Japanese) who have
skin color as white or whiter than many Whites, but I don't accept
them; ergo, your statement that skin color is the only issue is false.

For some of us, we've had a culture which is distinctly different
>from  non-whites and we're not going to change for their or your
benefit. You're the one with the "skin-color" hangup. So what if
people want to use skin color as an identifier of the members of
their people. What's it to you?

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Mon Jan 29 09:16:20 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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Subject: Re: "Aryan refers to an unknown common language, not an ethnic group."
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Bill,  says:

>> Caesar  wrote:
>
>>Aryans came from central Asia.
>
> Really?  Have they located Aryan cities?  Heh.
>
>>Have you seen the inhabitants of that area?
>
>>They do not look like the white supremacist ideal of
>>a blond-haired, blue-eyed person with light skin.
>
> There is no known ethnic group called "ARyan".  The word has been
> corrupted by the irrationalities of the Nazi party.  The nazis
> assume that white people today descended from the "Aryans".  They
> alone attached this name to white people; their theories were
> propaganda, not science.
>                         
> In actuality, Aryan is a term used to describe the commonality
> between all of the Indo-European Languages.
> It wasn't only "white" people who spoke this language.  That's
> where "indo" comes from.
 
Fool, stop speaking with such authority when you're wrong. Aryan
is a term that Persians have called themselves for millenia. The
word "Iran" is a bastardization of the word "Aryan." The ancient
Persians called themselves Aryan and it is encompassed in the
Zoroastrian religion which is an Aryan racial religion. Why don't
you go to the library and look up "Zoroastrian."
 
> Originally, French,
> German, Italian, Spanish, Check, Slav Languages, English (europes
> languages) and even some languages from India (that's where we
> get the "INDO" from), evolved out of a common language.  This
> common language is known as "ARyan".  There is no known culture
> or group identified, in science, as "aryan".  The word's (aryan)
> history comes out of the study of "language", not race.

Again, shut up; you don't know what you're talking about. I know
you would LIKE that to be true, but it's not.

> So, basically, all you racists who say ARyan is an "ethnic" group
> are idiots.

Yeah right. It's the blind leading the blind with you guys isn't it?

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                 We must secure the existence of our people
                        and a future for White children.
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Mark Zajac,  said:

> Pretty lame. There is nothing you can do about immigrants. They
> will contribute and replace you.

Of course you are wrong. We can organize ourselves into an ethnic
society distinct from the imperial/government's society. It is the
only tried and true method to deal with these circumstances. We can
delegitimize the governments that are doing these things to us and
eventually they will fall with or without their immigrants.

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Mon Jan 29 09:29:55 PST 1996
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Bill,  says:

>> Caesar  wrote:
>
>>Aryans came from central Asia.
>
> Really?  Have they located Aryan cities?  Heh.
>
>>Have you seen the inhabitants of that area?
>
>>They do not look like the white supremacist ideal of
>>a blond-haired, blue-eyed person with light skin.
>
> There is no known ethnic group called "ARyan".  The word has been
> corrupted by the irrationalities of the Nazi party.  The nazis
> assume that white people today descended from the "Aryans".  They
> alone attached this name to white people; their theories were
> propaganda, not science.
>                         
> In actuality, Aryan is a term used to describe the commonality
> between all of the Indo-European Languages.
> It wasn't only "white" people who spoke this language.  That's
> where "indo" comes from.
 
Fool, stop speaking with such authority when you're wrong. Aryan
is a term that Persians have called themselves for millenia. The
word "Iran" is a bastardization of the word "Aryan." The ancient
Persians called themselves Aryan and it is encompassed in the
Zoroastrian religion which is an Aryan racial religion. Why don't
you go to the library and look up "Zoroastrian."
 
> Originally, French,
> German, Italian, Spanish, Check, Slav Languages, English (europes
> languages) and even some languages from India (that's where we
> get the "INDO" from), evolved out of a common language.  This
> common language is known as "ARyan".  There is no known culture
> or group identified, in science, as "aryan".  The word's (aryan)
> history comes out of the study of "language", not race.

Again, shut up; you don't know what you're talking about. I know
you would LIKE that to be true, but it's not.

> So, basically, all you racists who say ARyan is an "ethnic" group
> are idiots.

Yeah right. It's the blind leading the blind with you guys isn't it?

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                            Arthur LeBouthillier
                            pendragn@cyberg8t.com
                  http://www.geopages.com/CapitolHill/1889
                 We must secure the existence of our people
                        and a future for White children.
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Mark Zajac,  said:

> Pretty lame. There is nothing you can do about immigrants. They
> will contribute and replace you.

Of course you are wrong. We can organize ourselves into an ethnic
society distinct from the imperial/government's society. It is the
only tried and true method to deal with these circumstances. We can
delegitimize the governments that are doing these things to us and
eventually they will fall with or without their immigrants.

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                           Arthur LeBouthillier
                           pendragn@cyberg8t.com
                  http://www.geopages.com/CapitolHill/1889
                 We must secure the existence of our people
                        and a future for White children.
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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Tue Jan 30 07:52:14 PST 1996
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From: Arthur LeBouthillier 
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>   There was an article in the NY Times a while back talking about
> Jewish communities in Quebec - it seems that many of them are
> disappearing, with the exception of Montreal .....

Who gives a shit!? Go to soc.culture.jewish or something and chat
idly about the disappearance of Jews there.

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From pendragn@cyberg8t.com Tue Jan 30 09:27:12 PST 1996
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>   There was an article in the NY Times a while back talking about
> Jewish communities in Quebec - it seems that many of them are
> disappearing, with the exception of Montreal .....

Who gives a shit!? Go to soc.culture.jewish or something and chat
idly about the disappearance of Jews there.

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