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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Meine Mutter war in Ravensbrueck
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In article <69g0dk$fvd$1@news00.btx.dtag.de>, Klaus Günther Beck wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>>  Well this is based on preserved documents from the Bauleitung of
>> Auschwitz. Here you can find information on how many days
>> the different krematoria were in use.
>> 
>> Krema II   (15 ovens) operated  in 509 days.
>> Krema III (15 ovens) operated  in 462 days
>> Krema IV (8 ovens  ) operated  in   50  days
>> Krema V  (8 ovens  ) operated  in 309 days
>> 
>> These crematoria were all in Birkenau.
>> 
>> You can find the original documents in Moscow or on microfilm in the
>> holocaust museum in Washington.  At maximum capaciy these ovens
>> together with Krema I  in Auschwitz  would have been able to cremate
>> 162,000 bodies all together during the period.
>> 
>Now, this is indeed some reference to soemthing. What was the volume of
>a single oven?

The size of a single coffin.

>What its capacity.

See the answer to Michael Paegerts.

>Which temperatures did it reach in
>full burn?

Maximum temperatur was 860 degree celsius, while the average temperatur was
760 degree celsius.

>After answering this question, we might actually get
>somewhere near the possible number of people cremated in this KZ. Which
>however doesn´t say anything about other ways of disposing of the
>bodies. And the number of 162.000 bodies matches quite nicely the number
>of death you said occurred in this KZ, but since not all of them have to
>have been cremated, this is simply a hypothesis.

And the question is if some them were not cremated, what happened then to
them?

>And I still say, that
>given the numbers you provided, it is still possible to burn more people
>in the given ovens in the given time.

Prove it.
--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>>  I have checked it in Encyclopedia Britanica and the (Danish) Gyldendals
>> Tibinds Leksikon.
>
>Could you please write/cite what in the Britannica makes you believe that
>cremation rate given by SS-officials are beyond the yield of even nowadays
>technology (and/or beyond that of the 40's) ?
>

I regret my late answer. I have just return from 14 vacation abroad.

In volume 3, page 726:

MODERN CREMATION. Open fires are not used; instead, the body is placed in a
chamber where intense heat transforms it in an hour or two to a few pounds
of white, powdery ash.

>
>> I have also checked it with Danish Crematoria operators. Why don't you 
>> check it yourself?
>
>I did it some years ago and without any connection to whatever Nazi-stuff.
>As I said: the time they gave was by far shorter than 90 minutes for a
>body (no coffin).

Yaeh, 75 minutes for the body and 15 minutes more for the coffin.

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Feb  1 12:29:58 EST 1998
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: What does this have to do with German Culture
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In article <6atj4m$bs$1@news2.digex.net>, Chris Clauss wrote:
>What does this article have to do with German culture?
>Or didn't you notice the name of this newsgroup?
>

 This is an excerpt from the FAQ to soc.culture.german. Please note that
soc.culture.german was created to be an international forum for discussion
of German culture, history, etc. Germany was highly involved in WW1 and
                   ^^^^^^^
and the events of WW1 are an important part of German history - that simple:

   "This USENET newsgroup was created to be an international forum for
   discussion of German culture, history, etc.  
     "
--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Meine Mutter war in Ravensbrueck
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In article <69g0dk$fvd$1@news00.btx.dtag.de>, Klaus Günther Beck wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>>  Well this is based on preserved documents from the Bauleitung of
>> Auschwitz. Here you can find information on how many days
>> the different krematoria were in use.
>> 
>> Krema II   (15 ovens) operated  in 509 days.
>> Krema III (15 ovens) operated  in 462 days
>> Krema IV (8 ovens  ) operated  in   50  days
>> Krema V  (8 ovens  ) operated  in 309 days
>> 
>> These crematoria were all in Birkenau.
>> 
>> You can find the original documents in Moscow or on microfilm in the
>> holocaust museum in Washington.  At maximum capaciy these ovens
>> together with Krema I  in Auschwitz  would have been able to cremate
>> 162,000 bodies all together during the period.
>> 
>Now, this is indeed some reference to soemthing. What was the volume of
>a single oven?

The size of a single coffin.

>What its capacity.

See the answer to Michael Paegerts.

>Which temperatures did it reach in
>full burn?

Maximum temperatur was 860 degree celsius, while the average temperatur was
760 degree celsius.

>After answering this question, we might actually get
>somewhere near the possible number of people cremated in this KZ. Which
>however doesn´t say anything about other ways of disposing of the
>bodies. And the number of 162.000 bodies matches quite nicely the number
>of death you said occurred in this KZ, but since not all of them have to
>have been cremated, this is simply a hypothesis.

And the question is if some them were not cremated, what happened then to
them?

>And I still say, that
>given the numbers you provided, it is still possible to burn more people
>in the given ovens in the given time.

Prove it.
--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>>  I have checked it in Encyclopedia Britanica and the (Danish) Gyldendals
>> Tibinds Leksikon.
>
>Could you please write/cite what in the Britannica makes you believe that
>cremation rate given by SS-officials are beyond the yield of even nowadays
>technology (and/or beyond that of the 40's) ?
>

I regret my late answer. I have just return from 14 vacation abroad.

In volume 3, page 726:

MODERN CREMATION. Open fires are not used; instead, the body is placed in a
chamber where intense heat transforms it in an hour or two to a few pounds
of white, powdery ash.

>
>> I have also checked it with Danish Crematoria operators. Why don't you 
>> check it yourself?
>
>I did it some years ago and without any connection to whatever Nazi-stuff.
>As I said: the time they gave was by far shorter than 90 minutes for a
>body (no coffin).

Yaeh, 75 minutes for the body and 15 minutes more for the coffin.

--
Ole Kreiberg        http://www.patriot.dk
                    http://www.faelleslisten.org


From olk@patriot.dk Sun Feb  1 12:29:59 EST 1998
Article: 70745 of soc.culture.german
From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: How the zionists got the USA into WW1 
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:48:06 GMT
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by Benjamin H. Freedman 




Introductory Note: 
Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing
individuals of the 20th century. Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a
successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the
principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized
Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the
remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable
fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny
which has enveloped the United States. Mr. Freedman knew what he was
talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of
Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our
nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch,
Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy,
and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times.
This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the
Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's
patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor
ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr.
Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is
more urgent than ever before. -- 
K.A.S. 



Here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have
complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and too
complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their co-
religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute
monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad
statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep.




What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There are
few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on
one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side
by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey. 



Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it nominally,
but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to
the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean. Great
Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, with one
week's food supply -- and after that, starvation. At that time, the
French army had mutinied. They had lost 600,000 of the flower of
French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army
was defecting, they were picking up their toys and going home, they
didn't want to play war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the
Italian army had collapsed. 



Not a shot had been fired on German soil. Not one enemy soldier had
crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering England
peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the
lawyers call a status quo ante basis. That means: "Let's call the war
off, and let everything be as it was before the war started." England,
in the summer of 1916 was considering that -- seriously. They had no
choice. It was either accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was
magnanimously offering them, or going on with the war and being
totally defeated. 



While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented the
Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and -- I
am going to be brief because it's a long story, but I have all the
documents to prove any statement that I make -- they said: "Look here.
You can yet win this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to
accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win
this war if the United States will come in as your ally." The United
States was not in the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young;
we were rich; we were powerful. They told England: "We will guarantee
to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with
you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the
war." In other words, they made this deal: "We will get the United
States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay is Palestine
after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and
Turkey." Now England had as much right to promise Palestine to
anybody, as the United States would have to promise Japan to Ireland
for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that Great Britain,
that never had any connection or any interest or any right in what is
known as Palestine should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the
Zionists for bringing the United States into the war. However, they
did make that promise, in October of 1916. And shortly after that -- I
don't know how many here remember it - - the United States, which was
almost totally pro-German, entered the war as Britain's ally. 



I say that the United States was almost totally pro-German because the
newspapers here were controlled by Jews, the bankers were Jews, all
the media of mass communications in this country were controlled by
Jews; and they, the Jews, were pro-German. They were pro-German
because many of them had come from Germany, and also they wanted to
see Germany lick the Czar. The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they
didn't want Russia to win this war. These German-Jew bankers, like
Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking firms in the United States refused
to finance France or England to the extent of one dollar. They stood
aside and they said: "As long as France and England are tied up with
Russia, not one cent!" But they poured money into Germany, they fought
beside Germany against Russia, trying to lick the Czarist regime. 



Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting
Palestine, went to England and they made this deal. At that time,
everything changed, like a traffic light that changes from red to
green. Where the newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been
telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having
fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, all of a
sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns.
They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies'
hands. They were no good. Shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war
on Germany. 



The Zionists in London had sent cables to the United States, to
Justice Brandeis, saying "Go to work on President Wilson. We're
getting from England what we want. Now you go to work on President
Wilson and get the United States into the war." That's how the United
States got into the war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more
right to be in it than we have to be on the moon tonight instead of in
this room. There was absolutely no reason for World War I to be our
war. We were railroaded into -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered
into -- that war merely so that the Zionists of the world could obtain
Palestine. That is something that the people of the United States have
never been told. They never knew why we went into World War I. 



After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they
said: "Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have
something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your
bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war." They didn't know
whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they
started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter,
which was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large
wouldn't know what it was all about. And that was called the Balfour
Declaration. 



The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the
Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the
United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that
you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. I
don't think I could make it more emphatic than that. 



That is where all the trouble started. The United States got in the
war. The United States crushed Germany. You know what happened. When
the war ended, and the Germans went to Paris for the Paris Peace
Conference in 1919 there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation
representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought
to know. Now what happened? The Jews at that peace conference, when
they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these
nations who claimed a right to a certain part of European territory,
said, "How about Palestine for us?" And they produced, for the first
time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the
Germans, for the first time realized, "Oh, so that was the game!
That's why the United States came into the war." The Germans for the
first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered the
terrific reparations that were slapped onto them, because the Zionists
wanted Palestine and were determined to get it at any cost. 



That brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans
realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews
had never been better off in any country in the world than they had
been in Germany. You had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times
as important in industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this
country. You had Mr. Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the
North German Lloyd's and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr.
Bleichroder, who was the banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had
the Warburgs in Hamburg, who were the big merchant bankers -- the
biggest in the world. The Jews were doing very well in Germany. No
question about that. The Germans felt: "Well, that was quite a
sellout." 



It was a sellout that might be compared to this hypothetical
situation: Suppose the United States was at war with the Soviet Union.
And we were winning. And we told the Soviet Union: "Well, let's quit.
We offer you peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing." And all of a
sudden Red China came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And
throwing them into the war brought about our defeat. A crushing
defeat, with reparations the likes of which man's imagination cannot
encompass. Imagine, then, after that defeat, if we found out that it
was the Chinese in this country, our Chinese citizens, who all the
time we had thought were loyal citizens working with us, were selling
us out to the Soviet Union and that it was through them that Red China
was brought into the war against us. How would we feel, then, in the
United States against Chinese? I don't think that one of them would
dare show his face on any street. There wouldn't be enough convenient
lampposts to take care of them. Imagine how we would feel. 



Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. They'd been so
nice to them: from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in
Russia failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all
went to Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated
very nicely. And here they had sold Germany down the river for no
reason at all other than the fact that they wanted Palestine as a
so-called "Jewish commonwealth." 



Now Nahum Sokolow, and all the great leaders and great names that you
read about in connection with Zionism today, in 1919, 1920, 1921,
1922, and 1923 wrote in all their papers -- and the press was filled
with their statements -- that the feeling against the Jews in Germany
is due to the fact that they realized that this great defeat was
brought about by Jewish intercession in bringing the United States
into the war. The Jews themselves admitted that. It wasn't that the
Germans in 1919 discovered that a glass of Jewish blood tasted better
than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer. There was no religious feeling.
There was no sentiment against those people merely on account of their
religious belief. It was all political. It was economic. It was
anything but religious. Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew went
home and pulled down the shades and said "Shema' Yisroel" or "Our
Father." Nobody cared in Germany any more than they do in the United
States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due to
one thing: the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing
defeat. 



And World War I had been started against Germany for no reason for
which Germany was responsible. They were guilty of nothing. Only of
being successful. They built up a big navy. They built up world trade.
You must remember that Germany at the time of the French Revolution
consisted of 300 small city-states, principalities, dukedoms, and so
forth. Three hundred separate little political entities. And between
that time, between the times of Napoleon and Bismarck, they were
consolidated into one state. And within 50 years they became one of
the world's great powers. Their navy was rivaling Great Britain's,
they were doing business all over the world, they could undersell
anybody, they could make better products. What happened as a result of
that? 



There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia to slap
down Germany. There isn't one historian in the world who can find a
valid reason why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the
map politically. 



When Germany realized that the Jews were responsible for her defeat,
they naturally resented it. But not a hair on the head of any Jew was
harmed. Not a single hair. Professor Tansill, of Georgetown
University, who had access to all the secret papers of the State
Department, wrote in his book, and quoted from a State Department
document written by Hugo Schoenfelt, a Jew whom Cordell Hull sent to
Europe in 1933 to investigate the so-called camps of political
prisoners, who wrote back that he found them in very fine condition.
They were in excellent shape, with everybody treated well. And they
were filled with Communists. Well, a lot of them were Jews, because
the Jews happened to comprise about 98 per cent of the Communists in
Europe at that time. And there were some priests there, and ministers,
and labor leaders, and Masons, and others who had international
affiliations. 



Some background is in order: In 1918-1919 the Communists took over
Bavaria for a few days. Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht and a group
of other Jews took over the government for three days. In fact, when
the Kaiser ended the war he fled to Holland because he thought the
Communists were going to take over Germany as they did Russia and that
he was going to meet the same fate as the Czar. So he fled to Holland
for safety, for security. After the Communist threat in Germany was
quashed, the Jews were still working, trying to get back into their
former status, and the Germans fought them in every way they could
without hurting a single hair on anyone's head. They fought them the
same way that, in this country, the Prohibitionists fought anyone who
was interested in liquor. They didn't fight one another with pistols.
Well, that's the way they were fighting the Jews in Germany. And at
that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans, and there
were only 460,000 Jews. About one half of one per cent of the
population of Germany were Jews. And yet they controlled all the
press, and they controlled most of the economy because they had come
in with cheap money when the mark was devalued and bought up
practically everything. 



The Jews tried to keep a lid on this fact. They didn't want the world
to really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the
Germans resented that. 



The Germans took appropriate action against the Jews. They, shall I
say, discriminated against them wherever they could. They shunned
them. The same way that we would shun the Chinese, or the Negroes, or
the Catholics, or anyone in this country who had sold us out to an
enemy and brought about our defeat. 



After a while, the Jews of the world called a meeting in Amsterdam.
Jews from every country in the world attended this meeting in July
1933. And they said to Germany: "You fire Hitler, and you put every
Jew back into his former position, whether he was a Communist or no
matter what he was. You can't treat us that way. And we, the Jews of
the world, are serving an ultimatum upon you." You can imagine what
the Germans told them. So what did the Jews do? 



In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of
Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel Untermyer,
who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the
whole conference, came to the United States and went from the steamer
to the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio
broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect said,
"The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are
now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going
to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide
boycott against them. That will destroy them because they are
dependent upon their export business." And it is a fact that two
thirds of Germany's food supply had to be imported, and it could only
be imported with the proceeds of what they exported. So if Germany
could not export, two thirds of Germany's population would have to
starve. There was just not enough food for more than one third of the
population. Now in this declaration, which I have here, and which was
printed in the New York Times on August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer
boldly stated that "this economic boycott is our means of
self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated its use in the
National Recovery Administration," which some of you may remember,
where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed the rules laid
down by the New Deal, and which was declared unconstitutional by the
Supreme Court of that time. Nevertheless, the Jews of the world
declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that you
couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with the
words "made in Germany" on it. In fact, an executive of the Woolworth
Company told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of
crockery and dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted
if anyone came in and found a dish marked "made in Germany," they were
picketed with signs saying "Hitler," "murderer," and so forth,
something like these sit-ins that are taking place in the South. At a
store belonging to the R. H. Macy chain, which was controlled by a
family called Strauss who also happen to be Jews, a woman found
stockings there which came from Chemnitz, marked "made in Germany."
Well, they were cotton stockings and they may have been there 20
years, since I've been observing women's legs for many years and it's
been a long time since I've seen any cotton stockings on them. I saw
Macy's boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with signs
saying "murderers," "Hitlerites," and so forth. Now up to that time,
not one hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There
was no suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there
was nothing. 



Naturally, the Germans said, "Who are these people to declare a
boycott against us and throw all our people out of work, and make our
industries come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?" They
naturally resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores
owned by Jews. Why should a German go in and give his money to a
storekeeper who was part of a boycott that was going to starve Germany
into surrendering to the Jews of the world, who were going to dictate
who their premier or chancellor was to be? Well, it was ridiculous. 



The boycott continued for some time, but it wasn't until 1938, when a
young Jew from Poland walked into the German embassy in Paris and shot
a German official, that the Germans really started to get rough with
the Jews in Germany. And you found them then breaking windows and
having street fights and so forth. 



Now I don't like to use the word "anti-Semitism" because it's
meaningless, but it means something to you still, so I'll have to use
it. The only reason that there was any feeling in Germany against Jews
was that they were responsible for World War I and for this world-wide
boycott. Ultimately they were also responsible for World War II,
because after this thing got out of hand, it was absolutely necessary
for the Jews and Germany to lock horns in a war to see which one was
going to survive. In the meanwhile, I had lived in Germany, and I knew
that the Germans had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or
Communist: there is no in between. And the Germans decided they were
going to keep it Christian if possible. And they started to re-arm. In
November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union. The
Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized that
"Our turn was going to come soon, unless we are strong." The same as
we in this country are saying today, "Our turn is going to come soon,
unless we are strong." Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion
dollars for defense. Defense against whom? Defense against 40,000
little Jews in Moscow that took over Russia, and then, in their
devious ways, took over control of many other countries of the world. 



For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War, from
which we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my
imagination. I know that nuclear bombs are measured in terms of
megatons. A megaton is a term used to describe one million tons of
TNT. Our nuclear bombs had a capacity of 10 megatons, or 10 million
tons of TNT, when they were first developed. Now, the nuclear bombs
that are being developed have a capacity of 200 megatons, and God
knows how many megatons the nuclear bombs of the Soviet Union have. 



What do we face now? If we trigger a world war that may develop into a
nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take place? It
will take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was World War
I, Act 2 was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The
Jews of the world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere,
are determined that they are going to again use the United States to
help them permanently retain Palestine as their foothold for their
world government. That is just as true as I am standing here. Not
alone have I read it, but many here have also read it, and it is known
all over the world. 



What are we going to do? The life you save may be your son's. Your
boys may be on their way to that war tonight; and you don't know it
any more than you knew that in 1916 in London the Zionists made a deal
with the British War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did
you know it at that time? Not a person in the United States knew it.
You weren't permitted to know it. Who knew it? President Wilson knew
it. Colonel House knew it. Other insiders knew it. 



Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was
liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President
Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was
"confidential man" to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chairman of the
finance committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the
treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the
head of the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into
President Wilson's brain the graduated income tax and what has become
the Federal Reserve, and I heard them indoctrinate him with the
Zionist movement. Justice Brandeis and President Wilson were just as
close as the two fingers on this hand. President Woodrow Wilson was
just as incompetent when it came to determining what was going on as a
newborn baby. That is how they got us into World War I, while we all
slept. They sent our boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So
the Jews can have Palestine as their "commonwealth." They've fooled
you so much that you don't know whether you're coming or going. 



Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, "Gentlemen, any witness
who you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his
testimony." I don't know what state you come from, but in New York
state that is the way a judge addresses a jury. If that witness told
one lie, disregard his testimony. 



What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because
they are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them
as so-called Jews, because I know what they are.) The eastern European
Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people
who call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars. They were a warlike
tribe who lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike
that even the Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe.
They set up a large Khazar kingdom of 800,000 square miles. At the
time, Russia did not exist, nor did many other European countries. The
Khazar kingdom was the biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so
powerful that when the other monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars
would lend them 40,000 soldiers. That's how big and powerful they
were. 



They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want to go
into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was
also the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the
world. The Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his
kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith --
either Christianity, Islam, or what is known today as Judaism, which
is really Talmudism. By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny, meeny,
miney, moe," he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the
state religion. He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and
Sura and brought up thousands of rabbis, and opened up synagogues and
schools, and his people became what we call Jews. There wasn't one of
them who had an ancestor who ever put a toe in the Holy Land. Not only
in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time. Not one
of them! And yet they come to the Christians and ask us to support
their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, "You want to help
repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, their ancestral
home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys
as your Lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and you kneel
and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews." But they are pagan Khazars who
were converted just the same as the Irish were converted. It is as
ridiculous to call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be to
call the 54 million Chinese Moslems "Arabs." Mohammed only died in 620
A.D., and since then 54 million Chinese have accepted Islam as their
religious belief. Now imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia,
>from  Mecca and Mohammed's birthplace. Imagine if the 54 million
Chinese decided to call themselves "Arabs." You would say they were
lunatics. Anyone who believes that those 54 million Chinese are Arabs
must be crazy. All they did was adopt as a religious faith a belief
that had its origin in Mecca, in Arabia. The same as the Irish. When
the Irish became Christians, nobody dumped them in the ocean and
imported to the Holy Land a new crop of inhabitants. They hadn't
become a different people. They were the same people, but they had
accepted Christianity as a religious faith. 



These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a
Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into eastern Europe.
Because their king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the
matter. Just the same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody
had to be a Catholic. If not, you had to get out of Spain. So the
Khazars became what we call today Jews. Now imagine how silly it was
for the great Christian countries of the world to say, "We're going to
use our power and prestige to repatriate God's Chosen People to their
ancestral homeland, their Promised Land." Could there be a bigger lie
than that? Because they control the newspapers, the magazines, the
radio, the television, the book publishing business, and because they
have the ministers in the pulpit and the politicians on the soapboxes
talking the same language, it is not too surprising that you believe
that lie. You'd believe black is white if you heard it often enough.
You wouldn't call black black anymore -- you'd start to call black
white. And nobody could blame you. 



That is one of the great lies of history. It is the foundation of all
the misery that has befallen the world. 



Do you know what Jews do on the Day of Atonement, that you think is so
sacred to them? I was one of them. This is not hearsay. I'm not here
to be a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts. When, on the Day of
Atonement, you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first
prayer that you recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You
repeat three times a short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that
prayer, you enter into an agreement with God Almighty that any oath,
vow, or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months shall
be null and void. The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be
a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force or
effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that whenever you take an
oath, vow, or pledge, you are to remember the Kol Nidre prayer that
you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted from
fulfilling them. How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can
depend upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in
1916. We are going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and
for the same reason. 




---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk


From olk@patriot.dk Sun Feb  1 12:29:59 EST 1998
Article: 70840 of soc.culture.german
From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.history,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Re: What does this have to do with German Culture
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On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 11:38:42 -0500, "Staff" 
wrote:

>Perhaps you should look at the title of the article.  How the Zionists
>(sounds like alt.jewish.culture) got the USA (sounds like alt.usa.culture)
>into WW1 (sounds like alt.war).

 Hey, the Germans want the whole of Europe to remember their
"important" history and to forget the "lesser" important history of
the other European countries. The German war crimes against e.g. the
French people during WW2  are for some reason regarded much more
important to remember than the much more wide spread French warcrimes
against the Algerian people during the Algerian war for independence.

I say, if the Germans want us so eagerly to remember their history,
let us remember all of it and not just what they are supposed to have
done to the Jews.    

>
>What burns me about messages like yours is that since there seems to be no
>other forum for people to blurt out their anti semitism, they do it here.

 What is so antisemite about that? The article was critism of the
Jewish cause made by an American Jew.

>
>You are entitled to your opinion.  As a matter of fact, I think that you
>should express it.  Do you think, however, that people in this forum are
>interested in it?

Many Germans are interested in this discussion, but is prohibited from
participating  in it by their obnoxious and obscure government. 



---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk


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From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: What are you raving about Klaus Beck?
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On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:22 GMT, map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de (Martin
Paegert) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg (olk@patriot.dk) wrote:
>
>>  The 66 Q&As is a revisionist pamflet. I think that a Danish judge
>> will be intelligent enough to distinguish between nazism and
>> revisionism.
>
>I am sure he will have no problem in detecting 66 Q&A as nazistic pamphlet
>once he reads it. It seems to be modern for some Neo-Nazis to call
>themselves "revisionists" in order to put themselves close to accepted
>historians carefully scrutinizing sources and sometimes revising views.

This is lies and slander. Most revisionists are not nazis.

>> To most Danes and in particular those who have expierenced the German 
>> occupation (1940-45), nazism is regarded a particular German thing. 
>> Therefore it is easy to win a case of being slandered by being called 
>> a nazi. 
>
>As I told you: I don't think that any Danish judge will follow your
>argumentation of "nazism is necessarily German, no Dane can be a Nazi". 

A Danish judge would never difile his own country in order to please
Germany.
>
>
>> You will need very strong evidence to prove that allegation.
>
>Oh, your ideology of ethnic cleansing does match this very well, me seems.
>Not mentioning all pro-nazistic statements you gave and still give. 

 Former communists in ex-Yougoslavia performed ethnic cleansing. Khmer
Rouge communists cleansed Cambodia from ethnic minorities such as
Vietnamese.  Racialism is far much older that nazism.

---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk


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On 13 Jan 1998 15:30:28 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>> On 6 Jan 1998 19:30:45 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus Günther Beck) wrote:
>> 
>> >Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >> Therefore it is easy to
>> >> win a case of being slandered by being called a nazi. You will need
>> >> very strong evidence to prove that allegation. Remember that the
>> >> resistence that fought the German occupation during WW2 did so, if
>> >> they were not communists, most often out of patriotic reasons.
>> >> Remember that in Denmark nationalism and democracy came together.
>> >> Those who wrote the Danish constitution, called themselves National
>> >> Liberals and were both democrats and nationalists. Remember as soon as
>> >> they were about to come into power, war broke out with the Germans in
>> >> 1848. There is not such a thing as an authoritarian and fascistlike
>> >> nationalism in Denmark.
>> >
>> >Mmh, you really sound like this anyway.

 No you Germans were neither able to handle democracy nor nationalism.
Before nationalism came to the Scandinavian countries these countries
fought many wars against each other and subjugated each other ( such
as Norway and Finland). After nationalism and democracy, peace,
brotherhood and respect for the sovereignty of each other have
prevailed among the Scandinavian nations. The Scandinavian countries
had and have still not any problems in handling nationalism.



---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk


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From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Meine Mutter war in Ravensbrueck
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On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:15:36 GMT, map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de (Martin
Paegert) wrote:

>> >Could you please write/cite what in the Britannica makes you believe that
>> >cremation rate given by SS-officials are beyond the yield of even nowadays
>> >technology (and/or beyond that of the 40's) ?
>> >
>>
>> In volume 3, page 726:
>>
>> MODERN CREMATION. Open fires are not used; instead, the body is placed in a
>> chamber where intense heat transforms it in an hour or two to a few pounds
>> of white, powdery ash.
>
>That's all ?  Come on, neither it is said, that due to technologically
>retrictions it takes _at least_ one or two hours, nor does it state that
>ovens used in nowadays crematories are designed as those used by SS in the
>Fourties. 

The crematories used in the concentration camps were made by Topf &
sons in Erfurt and were not different from the crematories applied
outside of camps. In the Auschwitz museum such a crematoria is
preserved and everyone can see with his own  that there is nothing
special about it. 
>
>As you have been told by others it may take more than an hour for remains
>(coffin included) to be burnt to white, powdery ash. (Thus Britannica does
>not fail concerning this point.) But you have also been told about the
>different mode of operation. Individual cremation versus continuous
>operation (and no restriction by relatives left, that would prefer white,
>powdery ash). KZ-ovens were designed for continuous operation and let
>ashes and smaller pieces fall through a grill.

This is not true. They ordinary ovens.

> No SS-officer did care
>about f.e. bones not burnt to white ashes before the next corpses were but
>into the oven. If accumulating deal with bones as you did with clumbs of
>coal-ashes forming in grandmas coal oven after a few hours of operation:
>Hit them with a fire-hook to make them fall through the grill.   

What has happen to all this partly burnt remnants?
>
>By the way: what does the Britannica state concerning the Holocaust and
>number of Jewish victims ?
>-- 
>
>Martin   (map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de)
>
>Nach Paragraph 28 Abs. 3 Bundesdatenschutzgesetz widerspreche ich der Nutzung
>oder Uebermittlung meiner Daten fuer Werbezwecke oder fuer die Markt- oder
>Meinungsforschung.


---
Ole Kreiberg

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From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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On 1 Feb 1998 13:50:41 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>> Yaeh, 75 minutes for the body and 15 minutes more for the coffin.
>> 
>In which concentration camps have bodies been put into coffins? 

 You are rather slow-witted, aren't you. The above-mentioned figures
are for modern crematories. But even without the coffin it will take
more than an hour to cremate a corpse.
 
>JUst as
>a matter of interest. And we talk about single-cremation, not
>mass-cremation with these numbers. That is something else entirely. When
>you keep the oven going non-stop, it is different from firing up for
>each stiff and the temperatures go higher.

Who says so? Whatever you do it not possible to get a temperature
higher that 870 degrees celsius. Modern oven can reach to more
than1000 degrees, and it still takes 75 minutes to cremate a body at
this higher temperature. 

> If you ever used a coal-oven
>to get warm in winter (as I am forced to do now for six years) you would
>know this from experience.

As I have told you before the maximum temperature was 870 degrees and
the average temperature was under normal circumstancences 760 degrees.


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On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:33:23 GMT,
check.the.signature@nospam.ualberta.edu (John Morris) wrote:

>In <34d631c3.3553528@snews.zippo.com>, on Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:37:08
>GMT, olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>
>>As I have told you before the maximum temperature was 870 degrees and
>>the average temperature was under normal circumstancences 760 degrees.
>
>You are misinformed, Mr. Kreiberg. The instructions for the Topf
>furnaces used at Auschwitz say that the temperature must be brought up
>to 800 C before a corspe is inserted and that the air flow be
>controlled to prevent the oven temperature from going above 1100 C,
>which it does when a corpse is burnt.
>

>If you wish to deny the Holocaust because you believe the cremation
>technology was inadequate, at least do it on the basis of accurate
>information.
>
>
>  Pressac, Jean-Claude.  Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas
>  Chambers.  New York: The Beate Klarsfield Foundation, 1989. 
>
>  Page 136: Document G2a and G2b [PMO file BW 11/1, page 3].
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                      OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS FOR COKE-FIRED TOPF
>                        DOUBLE-MUFFLE INCINERATION FURNACE
>
>  Before charging the two hearths with coke, the two furnace dampers
>  and the main rotary damper in the chimney must be open.
>
>  The fire can now be lit and maintained, being sure to open both
>  secondary openings to the right and left of the cinder removal doors
>  (of the coke furnace).
>
>  Once the cremation chamber (muffle) has been brought to a good red
>  heat (approximately 800°C), the corpses can be introduced one after
>  another in the cremation chambers.
>

According to the Danish Encyclopedia, Gyldendals Tibinds Leksikon, a
modern crematory is preheated to app. 650 C, before the body and
coffin are entered. While the coffin is burning (15 minutes) the
temperature is rised to app. 1000C. At this temprature  the burning of
the body starts (75 minutes).

---
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In article <34d38399.9941699@news.tin.it>, mototopo nospam@bik wrote:
>Actually it is true.
>I just peeped in this NG and I can't see the realtion between german
>culture and antisemitism.

And you can see no relation between antisemitism and German history either?
Remember this group is also for the discussion of German history. The article
I posted was not antisemite, but critism of the Jewish cause made by a Jew.
--
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From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:22 GMT, map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de (Martin
Paegert) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg (olk@patriot.dk) wrote:
>
>>  The 66 Q&As is a revisionist pamflet. I think that a Danish judge
>> will be intelligent enough to distinguish between nazism and
>> revisionism.
>
>I am sure he will have no problem in detecting 66 Q&A as nazistic pamphlet
>once he reads it. It seems to be modern for some Neo-Nazis to call
>themselves "revisionists" in order to put themselves close to accepted
>historians carefully scrutinizing sources and sometimes revising views.

This is lies and slander. Most revisionists are not nazis.

>> To most Danes and in particular those who have expierenced the German 
>> occupation (1940-45), nazism is regarded a particular German thing. 
>> Therefore it is easy to win a case of being slandered by being called 
>> a nazi. 
>
>As I told you: I don't think that any Danish judge will follow your
>argumentation of "nazism is necessarily German, no Dane can be a Nazi". 

A Danish judge would never difile his own country in order to please
Germany.
>
>
>> You will need very strong evidence to prove that allegation.
>
>Oh, your ideology of ethnic cleansing does match this very well, me seems.
>Not mentioning all pro-nazistic statements you gave and still give. 

 Former communists in ex-Yougoslavia performed ethnic cleansing. Khmer
Rouge communists cleansed Cambodia from ethnic minorities such as
Vietnamese.  Racialism is far much older that nazism.

---
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On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 14:15:41 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Feb 1998 14:36:37 GMT, olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>> Hey, the Germans want the whole of Europe to remember their
>>"important" history and to forget the "lesser" important history of
>>the other European countries.
>
>Do you honestly expect Germans to estimate the history of other
>nations more important? Doesn't any nation have the right to be proud
>of the good things they have achieved and be ashamed of the bad parts
>that belong to the history of every one of them?

 No, but you have no right to force other European countries through
the EU to legislate about  what is true and what is untrue about
German atrocities during WW2. This is the problem. If you and your
beloved EU would stop bothering the other European countries with your
history I would  immediately stop to bother you with my critical views
on your history.   

>And isn't it natural that a nation just like a single person will
>always try to keep good traditions and stop what has been recognised
>as wrong? A nations history is a heritage. Current generations of a
>nation should be judged for what they take from that heritage to make
>it tradition.

 Sure but none of your atrocities are part of my heritage. Concerning
the alleged holocaust even the most importunate and obnoxiuos American
Jews claim that the Danes saved almost all of the Danish Jews from
deportation to German concentration camps, and no one claim that any
Danes participated in the alleged holocaust. Therefore  please try to
respect my heritage and stop bothering Denmark with whatever problems
you may have with your sad past.   

>
>> The German war crimes against e.g. the
>> French people during WW2  are for some reason regarded much more
>> important to remember than the much more wide spread French warcrimes
>> against the Algerian people during the Algerian war for independence.
>
>Who says so? I have learned about both and nobody ever told me what
>should be seen as worse.
>
But the French Butcher-Frogs were far the worst.

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On 13 Jan 1998 15:30:28 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>> On 6 Jan 1998 19:30:45 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus Günther Beck) wrote:
>> 
>> >Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >> Therefore it is easy to
>> >> win a case of being slandered by being called a nazi. You will need
>> >> very strong evidence to prove that allegation. Remember that the
>> >> resistence that fought the German occupation during WW2 did so, if
>> >> they were not communists, most often out of patriotic reasons.
>> >> Remember that in Denmark nationalism and democracy came together.
>> >> Those who wrote the Danish constitution, called themselves National
>> >> Liberals and were both democrats and nationalists. Remember as soon as
>> >> they were about to come into power, war broke out with the Germans in
>> >> 1848. There is not such a thing as an authoritarian and fascistlike
>> >> nationalism in Denmark.
>> >
>> >Mmh, you really sound like this anyway.

 No you Germans were neither able to handle democracy nor nationalism.
Before nationalism came to the Scandinavian countries these countries
fought many wars against each other and subjugated each other ( such
as Norway and Finland). After nationalism and democracy, peace,
brotherhood and respect for the sovereignty of each other have
prevailed among the Scandinavian nations. The Scandinavian countries
had and have still not any problems in handling nationalism.



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On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:15:36 GMT, map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de (Martin
Paegert) wrote:

>> >Could you please write/cite what in the Britannica makes you believe that
>> >cremation rate given by SS-officials are beyond the yield of even nowadays
>> >technology (and/or beyond that of the 40's) ?
>> >
>>
>> In volume 3, page 726:
>>
>> MODERN CREMATION. Open fires are not used; instead, the body is placed in a
>> chamber where intense heat transforms it in an hour or two to a few pounds
>> of white, powdery ash.
>
>That's all ?  Come on, neither it is said, that due to technologically
>retrictions it takes _at least_ one or two hours, nor does it state that
>ovens used in nowadays crematories are designed as those used by SS in the
>Fourties. 

The crematories used in the concentration camps were made by Topf &
sons in Erfurt and were not different from the crematories applied
outside of camps. In the Auschwitz museum such a crematoria is
preserved and everyone can see with his own  that there is nothing
special about it. 
>
>As you have been told by others it may take more than an hour for remains
>(coffin included) to be burnt to white, powdery ash. (Thus Britannica does
>not fail concerning this point.) But you have also been told about the
>different mode of operation. Individual cremation versus continuous
>operation (and no restriction by relatives left, that would prefer white,
>powdery ash). KZ-ovens were designed for continuous operation and let
>ashes and smaller pieces fall through a grill.

This is not true. They ordinary ovens.

> No SS-officer did care
>about f.e. bones not burnt to white ashes before the next corpses were but
>into the oven. If accumulating deal with bones as you did with clumbs of
>coal-ashes forming in grandmas coal oven after a few hours of operation:
>Hit them with a fire-hook to make them fall through the grill.   

What has happen to all this partly burnt remnants?
>
>By the way: what does the Britannica state concerning the Holocaust and
>number of Jewish victims ?
>-- 
>
>Martin   (map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de)
>
>Nach Paragraph 28 Abs. 3 Bundesdatenschutzgesetz widerspreche ich der Nutzung
>oder Uebermittlung meiner Daten fuer Werbezwecke oder fuer die Markt- oder
>Meinungsforschung.


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On 1 Feb 1998 13:50:41 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>> Yaeh, 75 minutes for the body and 15 minutes more for the coffin.
>> 
>In which concentration camps have bodies been put into coffins? 

 You are rather slow-witted, aren't you. The above-mentioned figures
are for modern crematories. But even without the coffin it will take
more than an hour to cremate a corpse.
 
>JUst as
>a matter of interest. And we talk about single-cremation, not
>mass-cremation with these numbers. That is something else entirely. When
>you keep the oven going non-stop, it is different from firing up for
>each stiff and the temperatures go higher.

Who says so? Whatever you do it not possible to get a temperature
higher that 870 degrees celsius. Modern oven can reach to more
than1000 degrees, and it still takes 75 minutes to cremate a body at
this higher temperature. 

> If you ever used a coal-oven
>to get warm in winter (as I am forced to do now for six years) you would
>know this from experience.

As I have told you before the maximum temperature was 870 degrees and
the average temperature was under normal circumstancences 760 degrees.


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On 2 Feb 1998 20:36:44 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>> 
>> When I speak of "us" I mean all Non-Germans. I have never denied that
>> there were institutions called Lebensborn in Nazi-German and in some
>> of the subjugated countries.
>> 
>Indeed you denied that this Operation existed at all, as can be found in
>DejaNews, as anyone interested can verify.

You are slandering and exagarating again. I only denied  that it
existed in Denmark, which it didn't, although some  attempts of
creating one might have been planned. That is all.  

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On 2 Feb 1998 20:46:15 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>> The Germans through their EU.
>
>This sentence alone shows what an idiot you are. It is not our EU. 

 But Germany and France are the two bully-nations within the EU, and
Germany is far the most dominating. What Napoleon and Hitler failed to
achieve on the battlefield the present Germans and French are now
trying to accomplish together. Hitler called it "Neuropa" and
"Grosswirtschaftsraum". I have forgotten what Napoleon called it. 
 

>LEarn
>some history and look up who founded the EU, when and why. Nobody here
>is interested in duppressing or denigrating the history of other
>European countries.

The only reason Denmark went into EU was to maintain it's big
agricultural export to England. If England had not become a member of
the EU neither would Denmark. We certainly did not went into the EU
just to be bothered with German history and to lose our border to
Germany. This is some the unexpected side-effects.
>
>> >
>> 
>> >> The German war crimes against e.g. the
>> >> French people during WW2  are for some reason regarded much more
>> >> important to remember than the much more wide spread French warcrimes
>> >> against the Algerian people during the Algerian war for independence.
>> >
>> >Hardly. Go into a German history course sometime and learn reality.

You mean a political correct history indoctrination course.

>You should learn to read, what I write. My statement concerned your
>asinine opinion, that we see French history concerning Algeria as
>unimportant, an opinion the visit to a German history class concerning
>colonialism would change. 

You admit that France concerning colonialism and mistreating of third
world people has a much greater "guilt" than Germany.

>> The present Germans are even so
>> insolent as to call Non-German people like Danes for "nazis", in spite
>> that the Danes in general did not have anything to do with nazism
>> during WW2, and that Hitler said several times that nazism knows only
>> Germany and is not meant for export.
>
>Yes, he also said he would never invade Poland. Shows you how reliable
>his talk was. 


 But he never attempted to nazify the Poles. There was never even a
Polish naziparty.  

>> If you have read the article,  you will understand  German resentment
>> toward the Jews after WW1.
>> 
>I read the article, which was greatly concocted of lies. So, what does
>it proof?

You are not able to prove that there were any lies.


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On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 12:49:17 GMT, fraktal@gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
wrote:

>You are not only a shalemess _liar_, you are a _coward_.

You are a slanderer and a coward too. 
>
>And you are as responsible for the burning houses odf foreigners as those
>who kindle the fire.
>
You mean that I am the new scapegoat. After 1945 it was no longer
fashionable to scapegoate the Jews. Now it is the supposed "nazis"
that the disgusting German regime is seeing on every streetcorner who
get the blame for consequenses of the failed German immigration- and
refugeepolicy. In Denmark there have been attempts of burning refugee
houses too, but no one here is so cowardly not to admit that such acts
is rather caused by widespread animosity toward immigrants, refugees
and the undesired multiethnic society than by a few scattered almost
non-exististent "nazis". The German people like the Danish people did
not wish their countries to become multi-ethnic in the first place,
while their politicians forced lot of undesired foreigner on them.
This immigration has been almost as undesired as the Zionist
immigration to Palestine has been for the Palestinians. This is the
real problem.


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From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: What does this have to do with German Culture
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On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:09:06 GMT, fraktal@gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
wrote:

> kreiberg@super.zippo.com (Ole Kreiberg) wrote/schrieb in
>soc.culture.german :
>
>> If you express a political incorrect view in Germany, you will end up
>>in prison for spreading "nazi"-propaganda. 
>
>No: If you spread Nazi propapganda you will end up in jail.
>
 Yeah a real ugly police state. The Germans were not able to handle
nationalism and got themselves into a disaster. The present Germany is
not able handle democracy and therefore is one the very few European
countries which still has political prisoners.

>Putting "Nazi" into quotes is a sick joke.
>
Calling everybody "nazis" that are in opposition to the immigration
>from  the third world and multiethnic society,  is a sick joke. 

>You might want to dress up as a Turk and walk though some German suburbs.
>
Yes it was a great mistake of the German politicians to permit Turks
to settle in Germany.

>Then come back and talk to us about furthering racism.

Repatriate all Turks and other ethnic Non-European minorities and
racism will disappear with them. 

>
>YOU are one of the persons who are responsible for racism and the deeds
>done in it's name.

Racism is not created by any particular person or persons, that you
can make scapegoats. Racism is the symptom and not the cause of ethnic
and cultural conflicts which arise spontantiously when different
ethnic and cultural groups are forced to live together within the same
state. Separate the groups and let them each of live their own ethnic
homogenious national state and you will not have any  racism. 

---
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From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 08:33:23 GMT,
check.the.signature@nospam.ualberta.edu (John Morris) wrote:

>In <34d631c3.3553528@snews.zippo.com>, on Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:37:08
>GMT, olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>
>>As I have told you before the maximum temperature was 870 degrees and
>>the average temperature was under normal circumstancences 760 degrees.
>
>You are misinformed, Mr. Kreiberg. The instructions for the Topf
>furnaces used at Auschwitz say that the temperature must be brought up
>to 800 C before a corspe is inserted and that the air flow be
>controlled to prevent the oven temperature from going above 1100 C,
>which it does when a corpse is burnt.
>

>If you wish to deny the Holocaust because you believe the cremation
>technology was inadequate, at least do it on the basis of accurate
>information.
>
>
>  Pressac, Jean-Claude.  Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas
>  Chambers.  New York: The Beate Klarsfield Foundation, 1989. 
>
>  Page 136: Document G2a and G2b [PMO file BW 11/1, page 3].
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                      OPERATING INSTRUCTIONS FOR COKE-FIRED TOPF
>                        DOUBLE-MUFFLE INCINERATION FURNACE
>
>  Before charging the two hearths with coke, the two furnace dampers
>  and the main rotary damper in the chimney must be open.
>
>  The fire can now be lit and maintained, being sure to open both
>  secondary openings to the right and left of the cinder removal doors
>  (of the coke furnace).
>
>  Once the cremation chamber (muffle) has been brought to a good red
>  heat (approximately 800°C), the corpses can be introduced one after
>  another in the cremation chambers.
>

According to the Danish Encyclopedia, Gyldendals Tibinds Leksikon, a
modern crematory is preheated to app. 650 C, before the body and
coffin are entered. While the coffin is burning (15 minutes) the
temperature is rised to app. 1000C. At this temprature  the burning of
the body starts (75 minutes).

---
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On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:48:12 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:

>On Mon, 02 Feb 1998 21:36:58 GMT, olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:

>> No, but you have no right to force other European countries through
>>the EU to legislate about  what is true and what is untrue about
>>German atrocities during WW2.
>
>That's correct. Can you give me any example that we do so? All we can
>do is to tell it from our point of view. You tell us your opinion and
>we can discuss it. There is no force on any side. If you feel unhappy
>with EU we won't force you to join it.
>
 Sure  the ministers of justice and internal affairs of the  EU
countries agreed on 19/3-95 a general act that should make it illegal
in all EU countries to deny the crimes against humanity that Germany
committed during WW2. Germany is clearly mentioned. It says nothing
about French crimes against humanity during the Algerian war for
independence. Only German war crimes seem interesting.

 You may now argue that those nations which had nothing to do with the
alleged German war crimes during WW2, did sign this voluntarily.
However in 1941 the legal government of my country signed the
anticomintern treaty in Berlin which meant the prohibition of the
Danish communist party. The was a crime against the constitution and
the politicians could have been charged with hightreason had it not
been that this treaty was signed under  German pressure. 

Why would nations like Ireland, Portugal, Sweden and Denmark which had
not the slightest to do with German war crimes bother about people
denying whatever the they want of this stuff, if it were not for
present German pressure.
 
>>But the French Butcher-Frogs were far the worst.
>
>By what? You may judge it by the numbers of killed, by the time it
>lasted, by the cruelty, the way people were killed.
>
 They killed more people in Algeria and acted much more brutal than
you did in France.

---
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On Wed, 04 Feb 1998 01:34:22 GMT, look@signature.below (Alexander
Rose) wrote:

>kreiberg@super.zippo.com wrote:
>>The only reason Denmark went into EU was to maintain it's big
>>agricultural export to England. If England had not become a member of
>>the EU neither would Denmark. We certainly did not went into the EU
>>just to be bothered with German history and to lose our border to
>>Germany. This is some the unexpected side-effects.
>
>Dear Ole,
>I certainly did not go into this newsgroup to read your statements which are 
>either anti-german or simply fascist.

So what  fascist is there about the abovementioned statement? Fascism
is dictatorship and I have never advocated such thing. Calling me a
fascist is sheer libel.

>Could you please leave this crap where i belongs, in alt.revisionism?

Why? Discussion about Germany and it's selfstyled role as the leading
nation in the EU certainly belong in soc.culture.german. The Germans
want a closer integration with Denmark. They come to us and I come to
them. Fine, if they leave Denmark alone I leave them alone. 

>
>BTW, did you already tell your psychiatrist you stopped taking your 
>Haloperidol medication?

 Psychiatry is a typical Jewish dominated phony science, and I bet
that you are a Jew too. Denouncing dissidents as psychiatric cases and
locking them up were done in the Soviet Union. Today Germany the most
unfree state on European soil may consider doing the same. 



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On Wed, 04 Feb 1998 07:24:23 GMT, fraktal@gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
wrote:

>Come to Germany and prove the truth in front of court.

 I have tried to come to Germany, but they chose to ignore me. I have
dedicated my life to fight for freedom of speech and against socalled
"hate"-laws, and Germany and France are the enemies number one and two
of free speech in the EU. These are enemies I have to fight. 

>
>Or shut up.
>
>Discussion with you is not possible. You are not _interested_ in
>discussion but in spreading lies.

Disussion with you fanatics is not possible. Every critical argument I
use against the establishment historiography you stridently without
discussion label "nazi-propaganda". As I have told you before you
cannot make true democrats out Germans. It is against their
autoritarian nature. Nazism was an extreme expression of the German
soul and nobody else but the Germans can be true nazis. 


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On Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:49:33 GMT, fraktal@gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
wrote:

> olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote/schrieb in soc.culture.german :
>
>> Fascism
>>is dictatorship and I have never advocated such thing. Calling me a
>>fascist is sheer libel.
>
>Some lines later:
>
>>Psychiatry is a typical Jewish dominated phony science, and I bet
>>that you are a Jew too.
>
>So? Well, nmaybe you look up fascism in a dictionary again.

 Like nazism was Krautstuff only,  fascism was Wop-stuff only. The
Italian fascist regime was not particular racialist or Anti-Jewish.
Today the word "fascist" is reduced to an invective used by
anti-racists against their opponents. Fascism is the main bogey or
Feindbild in the paranoid universe of the extreme leftwing and the
anti-racist. It is a part of the paranoid delusions and thinking. 
   
>
>Cause racism is also a typical feature. And "revisionism" (in newer
>times...).

Who says. According to my dictionary fascism was the ideology of
Mussolini and Italy in the 20ies and 30ies.


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On Wed, 04 Feb 1998 18:51:42 GMT, fraktal@gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
wrote:

> olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote/schrieb in soc.culture.german :
>
>Oh, you just go to a court and accuse yourself of spreading lies. I am
>sure they will take action. ;)

 I am not spreading lies. I am accusing the German courts for slander
and libel by calling revisionism nazipropaganda. Most revisionists are
not nazis and fascist and are thus not against democracy and free
speech.

>
>>I have
>>dedicated my life to fight for freedom of speech and against socalled
>>"hate"-laws, and Germany and France are the enemies number one and two
>>of free speech in the EU. These are enemies I have to fight. 
>
>Free speech is not the same as lying people to death. And that is what
>revisionists do.

 I am not lying. I am seeking the truth that the Bonn-regime seems to
fear so much. Revisionism is the undesired thruth. The Philosopher
Arthur Schopenhauer have said about how the undesired truth is
received: "Firstly it is ridiculed, secondly it is fought violent, for
at last to be accepted as self-evident." The evil Bonn-regime is in
the second stage and is fighting the truth with their throught-police
(Verfassungschutz) and their Kangaroo-courts.

>>Every critical argument I
>>use against the establishment historiography you stridently without
>>discussion label "nazi-propaganda".
>
>Because it is.

So lies the the Bonn-regime and it's kangaroo-courts.



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On Fri, 06 Feb 1998 22:06:55 GMT, fraktal@gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
wrote:

> olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote/schrieb in soc.culture.german :

>>>
>>Winston Smith is the pseudonym for Harold Covington who is a FBI agent
>>and an agent provocatuer. He works hard to destroy the American
>>patriots from within. Unfortunately I do not know the exact amount of
>>money that B'nai B'rith paid him for the above-mentined remark.
>
>Yeah. But what Debora L. Says is still true.
>
>You are the best proof.

 No I am not. I am only a racialist. I am not in favour of
dictatorship and therefore not a national socialist - sorry about
that. Racialism is much older than national socialism which just was a
local German phenomena in the 20ies, 30ies and 40ies. The German
national socialists  just grabbed the racialism that were already
there and distorted it in order to make it fit to their German
chauvinist agenda. 

>
>You claim to search the truth and want racism. (cf. Your statements about
>races living together causing problems...)
>
To me racialism is just the truth about the meaning of the racial
differences. I have no problems with the races being different.

---
Ole Kreiberg

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On 7 Feb 1998 21:47:22 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:


>You still do not seem to understand the difference between single
>burnings and continuous burnings. 

But you , the selfstyled "great" and conceited scholar, do. :-D
 
>And when you try to do research,
>articles in encyclopedias or even in textbooks are a point of first
>orientation. To try to counter detailed information from scholary and
>scientific source through an article from an encyclopedia or a textbook
>clearly shows, that you know nothing of scholary research.

But you do that according to your own puffed-up conceit


---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk               Don't hate
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From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:40:43 -0600, hendrick rudolph
 wrote:

>You know, I live in Canada, and we are dominated by the USA,

 But you have never been to war with the USA, and you speak the same
language and share the same Anglo Saxon culture. The USA has always
respected your sovereignty and borders.  A Dane has no more in common
with a German than with a Canadian. Danes belongs in Scandinavia
together our Scandinavian brothers and sisters. Denmark is a Nordic
country while Germany is a Central European country.  

 We have fought innumerable wars with the Germans from time
immemorial. In the Middle Ages Denmark was the only country which
again and again retaliated against the German Hansa militarily.  

> it's always
>been that way, so now little Denmark will become dominated by Big BAD
>Germany, well so what, that's the nature of the world.

  If we can get together with our fellow Scandinavians we can overcome
the Germans. We did so back in the Middle Ages through the Kalmar
Union.

>  You'll make more
>money that way.

 So  do Norway and Switzerland which are not members of the EU but are
the  wealthiest countries in Europe. 

>  That is why you joined the EU isn't it, so now your in,
>and your affaid, that your greed has gotton the better of your country
>well fuck you.

 We were afraid to  loose some of our agricultural export to England.
We did not enter the EU in order to be get a closer relationship to
Germany.

>
>  Big countries have also dominated the small ones, 

 Sure, but  Denmark has always been able to fight back and to keep the
Germans at a certain distance. To remove this distance is unbearable.
I have often thought of moving to Norway. I know several Danes that
moved to Norway already shortly after the entrance to the EU in 1972. 

>I need
>only look to my USA naghbour to see it,

 I wish the USA was our neighbour and not Germany.  

> and to Tabett, or a million other
>small countries, atleast Germany doesn't want Denmark as a source for
>Slaves.  Be Happy for what your getting.

 We have lived as a free and independent people from ancient time and
we can continue to do so  the next thousand years. 


---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
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On Fri, 06 Feb 1998 17:42:09 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:


>You say correctly that responsibility was put on Germany and not that
>it has taken it by all means which should be the case to support your
>statement. Also, _we_ have never forced you to not charge the Danish
>government of 1941.

 Sure, because it is a matter of internal Danish affairs and certainly
none of your businesses.

>
>> But it is the only country in the EU which tries to dictate a
>>political correct version of a part of their history to the
>>neighbouring countries to whom this history have no relevance at all.
>>I regard this an act of insolence and arrogance.
>
>Can you tell me anything how Germany puts pressure on the neighbouring
>or other countries? We put that pressure on our own brown danger and
>tell the world about that. 

 Their is no brown danger in Denmark. Brown dangers is an internal
German problem and in my opinion only a historical one. Nazism like
communism are historical phenomenas, the trains of which have
departed long time ago. The German government is just trying to create
hysteria a paranoia about imaginary "brown dangers". You have a
problem with the undesired immigration and multiethnic society not
with "brown dangers". Imaginary brown dangers are convinient
scapegoats of the consequences of the failed and irresponsible refugee
and immigration policy of the last five decades of the Federal
Republic of Germany. I do not think that the majority of the Germans
ever agreed with this policy and this is the real problem.

>It's obvious that in 60 years the communists killed more people than
>the Nazis in 6. Which danger is considered bigger today is a question
>everybody has to answer himself.

 National socialism was, as the name indicates a national phenomena
(for the Germans only) while communism was an international phenomena.
The countries that Stalin conquered from Hitler was forced to become
communist. Show me just one of the Non-German countries occupied by
Hitler where the people were nazified. They were dominated by the
Germans but never forced to copy their ideology.
 
> This applies also for governments.
>If the Danish government agrees with the according German law it may
>be regarding the base for a successful co-operation.

 I have never heard Danish politicians speak in favour of prohibiting
certain dissident view on German WW2 history. I have heard a few
Danish politicians speaking in favour of "hate-speech" laws but they
have clearly emphasized that such laws should reflect the different
history,  political culture and mentality of the countries in e.g. the
EU. 

> And if Denmark
>would promote Nazi ideas it would certainly influence the
>relationship. But that's a Danish decision, not ours.

 But Denmark does not promote nazi ideas, because nazism is not a
Danish phenomena. Denmark has been a stable democracy the last one and
a half century and does not feel threatened by extremism. Denmark did
not feel threatened by communism in 1941 and it does not feel
threatened by neo-nazism today. All Danes in their right mind knows
that there is no alternative to democracy as we know it today.
Dictatorship is simply not an option in this country. 

>
>Dito. Still no change in that. You have only replaced the French
>argument by the Russian.

I have rather added the Russian argument to the French.

>If you consider the size and strength of Germany as the way we put
>pressure on your government, what would you suggest to do? Divide
>Germany again? Close the factories? Burn the fields?

 I would prefere to keep Germany at a certain distance while getting
together with countries at our own size and culture  such as the other
Scandinavian countries. A Danish proverb says, that Children of the
same size play best. Why can Germany not leave the neighbouring
countries alone. Why do they want these open borders? Why are they so
importunate? 


---
Ole Kreiberg

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On Fri, 06 Feb 1998 20:06:09 GMT, fraktal@gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
wrote:

> olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote/schrieb in soc.culture.german :
>
>>Separate the groups and let them each of live their own ethnic
>>homogenious national state and you will not have any  racism. 
>
>Thanks for speaking your mind.
>
>So we don't have to wonder what kind of world you want.
>
>I think this is the time to end this part of the discussion, as we figured
>out that there is no common ground between us.
>
 What is the matter with having ethnic homogenious states? Most people
that are not independent want to get their own state in order to live
together with their own people (take a look at the Curds, Tamils,
Corsicans, Basques, Bosnian Serbs etc.. Opionion polls show that 72
per cent of the Danes do not want the multiethnic society. I certainly
don't, and I am particular proud of being a racialist. Like history
proves that the Danes were able to handle nationalism  and democracy
we will also be able  to handle racialism in a civilized and humane
manner.  


---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk
http://www.faelleslisten.dk

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On Fri, 06 Feb 1998 22:06:55 GMT, fraktal@gmx.de (Oliver Gassner)
wrote:

> olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote/schrieb in soc.culture.german :

>>>
>>Winston Smith is the pseudonym for Harold Covington who is a FBI agent
>>and an agent provocatuer. He works hard to destroy the American
>>patriots from within. Unfortunately I do not know the exact amount of
>>money that B'nai B'rith paid him for the above-mentined remark.
>
>Yeah. But what Debora L. Says is still true.
>
>You are the best proof.

 No I am not. I am only a racialist. I am not in favour of
dictatorship and therefore not a national socialist - sorry about
that. Racialism is much older than national socialism which just was a
local German phenomena in the 20ies, 30ies and 40ies. The German
national socialists  just grabbed the racialism that were already
there and distorted it in order to make it fit to their German
chauvinist agenda. Thus I do not base my views on the meaning of the
racial differences on national socialism which is really just German
chauvinism. No, I base them on the experience of history, common
sense, logic and the eternal laws of nature. The first law of nature
is selfpreservation and this law also applies to ethnic groups and
nations.

>
>You claim to search the truth and want racism. (cf. Your statements about
>races living together causing problems...)
>
To me racialism is just the truth about the meaning of the racial
differences. I have no problems with the races being different.

---
Ole Kreiberg

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On 7 Feb 1998 21:47:22 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:


>You still do not seem to understand the difference between single
>burnings and continuous burnings. 

But you , the selfstyled "great" and conceited scholar, do. :-D
 
>And when you try to do research,
>articles in encyclopedias or even in textbooks are a point of first
>orientation. To try to counter detailed information from scholary and
>scientific source through an article from an encyclopedia or a textbook
>clearly shows, that you know nothing of scholary research.

But you do that according to your own puffed-up conceit


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On 7 Feb 1998 22:18:50 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Also, fascism is not simply dictatorship-related only, but also
>describes a certain set of mind, that tries to exert much control to
>have an overly ordered enviroment. (All blacks in this country, all
>yellows in this country, all whites in this country etc. )

According to my Danish encyclopia "Gyldendals Tibinds Leksikon" the
fascist system was totalitarian, authoritarian, terrorist and
anti-communist. There is a long article about fascism. Let me qoute an
important part.: "In contrary to that in many respect similiar German
National Socialism, fascism did not take it's starting point in the
people and the race but in the state. The state was regarded an
organic entity with it's own will represented by the leader Il
Duce........." What we can conclude is that fascism was rather a
political system or an ideology concerning the politcal system rather
than a racial ideology or attitude.

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Ole Kreiberg

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On 7 Feb 1998 22:01:48 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>As you perfectly well know, I am telling the truth. Apart from that,
>there have been Lebensborn-houses on Danish soil as documented in
>"Master-Race: The Operation "Lebensborn"", written by British historians
>using GErman and Danish sources and having interviewed Danish people who
>lived for a time in one of these houses. And, please, where did I
>slander you?

 This was discussed some monthes ago, and it was determined that there
had been plans for creating such an German institution in Denmark, but
they were never implemented according to their original intentions.
And afterall these institutions were much similiar to those that today
is called  the "Moedrehjaelpen" or the National Council for the
Unmarried Mother and Child -  a social welfare state institution.
 

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Ole Kreiberg

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On 7 Feb 1998 22:49:37 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>As a historian I simply can say, that most revisionists are seen as
>liars or metally retarded. 

 This statement is so stupid and emotional that it needs no further
comment. In most of your writing you are exposing yourself as rude,
impolite choleric and conceited hooligan, that thinks of himself as an
educated person. 
>
>You should really read a newspaper newer than 1960. The German capital
>is BERLIN, you dumbshit. (and that is really a shame) 

 How come the government is residing in Bonn. I spoke of the Bonn-
regime and not about which city that recently has been made capital.
 
>And our courts do
>not make history. Our scholars do this. In cooperation with other
>scholars worldwide.

 I call those historians for court-historians. That is people that
just wish to please the ruling political elite.

> And if there is ever a real proof that the holocaust
>didn´t happen - I mean, scholary researched proof, that stands up to
>peer-review - then the historians will have a lot to do, to revise all
>of their work. 

 No, this would not be convinient for the Bonn-regime, and they would
be gagged or sent to prison by the German Kangaroo courts.

>But only then. Because all scholary research in the last
>50 years tells us, that exactly the things you deny are the truth.

 It only relies on the witnesses who were mostly hostile to the
nazi-cause as well as some German officials or the like that were
either tortured, bribed or pressured in various ways.



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On 7 Feb 1998 23:13:42 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>
>WHoah, who ever said that? Come on! That is really slander. Nobody wants
>censorship here. We simply want you to shut aour uneducated lying trap.
>
>>  This is exactly what I want to prove to the
>> Danish people.
>
>Then you should send this to a Danish ng, right, not to a German and a
>Palestine one. 
>
>> This is why I have planned to come to Germany before
>> the coming referendum  about the Amsterdam Treaty in Denmark in order
>> to be made the first Danish political prisoner in Germany since 1945.
>
>We will all have a good laugh at this one.
>
>> I want to prove to the Danish public that under the thin veneer of
>> "democracy" you find the same "good" old Germans as in 1945.
>
>Won´t work. But you know, I will wait for you. Beware of people with
>beards and bald heads.

You are an arch-typical choleric German not able to control his
temper. So you want to assault me. What if I why were two meter high
heavyweight  boxer or brought my scubadiving knife with me. Aren't you
taking a great risk . 

>
>You are hardly Mahatma Ghandi, except in the depth of your fanatism.
>This kind of civil disobedience doesn´t work anymore. Apart from this,
>you will kiss the pavement before the police ever sees you;-)

It worked with the civilized British regime but may not work with your
evil bullnecked and deeply undemocratic Prussian regime.

>>  I have had hundreds of letters to the editor printed in Danish
>> newpapers the last 12 years.
>
>Big talk. Prove it.

 No problem, I have kept all the cuttings from the newspapers and all
the tapes from the radio programs. 

>And you weren´t elected. So, you try to become famous through a stupid
>stunt that might bring you the admiration of all the idiots who think
>like you anyway. Which will change nothing concerning decisions on the
>EU and EMU. So, what?

 It could help the Danish people to understand the true nature of the
German people and the danger of our stable and free democracy being
substituted with a German-like authoritarian and paranoid regime in
Bruxelles. 


---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk               Don't hate
http://www.faelleslisten.dk         Let's seperate 



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On 7 Feb 1998 22:15:05 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg wrote:

>>  But Germany and France are the two bully-nations within the EU,
>
>Well, most of the bullying was done by the British as far as I see it. 
>
 Seen from a Danish point of view England is the most symphatic nation
in the EU, and the one that we in this connection have politically
most in common with. England promised to support Denmark against
bullying from Germany and France after the first referendum to the
Maastrict treaty. When Germany and France tried to conspire against
the other EU members in Nuremberg a couple of years ago the English
goverment protested together with the Danish government. Without
England the EU would have been an even worse hell-hole. England
together with Denmark are also those countries that pay most respect
to the freedom of speeech. Danish and English mentality are much more
alike than with German one.


---
Ole Kreiberg

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On 7 Feb 1998 23:01:05 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>Interestingly enough, he doesn´t base it on science. And there are
>simply no "first" laws in nature.

Apart from the law of selfpreservation.

> Of history he knows nothing. 

And you do in your own puffed-up first year history student mind.

>Common
>sense is the excuse of the weak-minded and not congruent to logic. There
>was a time, when it was common sense that the world was flat. And that
>witches can fly around on broomsticks.

It is like the anti-racist nonsens that all people are born equal,
that is with the same psyke, intelligence etc. Do you believe in that
crap?  

>There is no such thing as a race.

 An empty catch-word from the anti-racist propaganda. The idea that
there in the real world exists such thing as an inborn an natural
equality among the human races is nothing but a political doctrine
based on wishful thinking. The truth about the racial differences is
so obvious that the burden of proof must be with those that proclaim
the racial equality and not other way round.  



---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk               Don't hate
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On 7 Feb 1998 22:15:05 GMT, KlausGuentherBeck@t-online.de (Klaus
Günther Beck) wrote:

>This might be an interpretation of contemporary events, but only if you
>try to over-simplify the EU and how it works. I mean, if you want to get
>a job in the commission, you should be able to speak French and English
>and some third language. The test for application all follow the French
>test-scheme, which is why most of the civil servants in the EU-offices
>are French or at least francophile. Where is the GErman dominance there?
>Learn soemthing about these things before you talk about them. I have
>the application-lists on my desk.

But Kohl is still the strong man in the EU.

>
>> Hitler called it "Neuropa" and
>> "Grosswirtschaftsraum". I have forgotten what Napoleon called it.
>
>And what does this prove?

This proves that you now try to attain what you not able get through
war. I call the EU the "Deutschland ueber alles" Union.

>>  But he never attempted to nazify the Poles. There was never even a
>> Polish naziparty.
>
>No, because he saw the Slavics as "Untermenschen". Poland was an
>occupied country. You found parties when a country is "pacified", not
>before. 

 He wanted "Deutscland ueber alles": He did not care about the
subjugated people.



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On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:44:14 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:


>>>When I am asking you to show me how the German government is putting
>>>pressure on Denmark you answer that there is no brown danger. You
>>>claim the export of a German paranoia as an "answer" to my simple
>>>question.
>>>
>>I gave you an example how Germany did it through the EU. Didn't I?
>
>No, you didn't. You had told me about an agreement signed by EU
>ministers of justice and internal affairs of 1995. There is no sign of
>German pressure since it was still up to them to sign it or not..

 They were pressured to sign. Futhermore this agreement was about
bullying Non-German nations with German history as if German history
[and guilt]  was a part of the history of these nations. The agreement

mentions only  German war-crimes during WW2. It says nothing about the
war-crimes of the other nations and war-crimes from other parts of
history. Why? Everything has to do with the Germans' fear of loosing
their selfhate and guilt combined with attempts to make the other
nations feel the same way.  

>Later you said yourself that you "...have never heard Danish
>politicians speak in favour of prohibiting certain dissident view on
>German WW2 history." If there were pressure (as you keep claiming)
>this was impossible.

Until now they had had spine enough to resist the pressure, but
knowing that they usually have spines made of boiled macaroni, one may
ask for how long their resistance will last and Germany will have it's
way.

>
>>I read in a Danish newspaper that the Danish minister of justice were
>>asked by a German minister during a meeting in Berlin about something
>>else to do something about the few Danish Neo-Nazis.
>
>Do you consider this question as pressure?

I think that you do not understand English too well. To ask somebody
to do something does not mean asking a question but  rather like
"auffordern oder bitten" in German.
. 
>
>>Danish newspapers wrote so in their editorials, and newsreaders in the
>>television said what everybody else felt namely that  this action were
>>made  in order to please the Germans. Germany is the greatest threat
>>to the Danish  constitutional democracy - not a few silly "neo-nazis".
>
>Is Germany really that strong? Has Germany pushed Denmark into EU?

 But  Germany is more interesting to get Denmark (and the other
neighbouring countries) harmonized or integrated with Germany, than
Denmark is with getting integrated and harmonized with Germany. This
creates a conflict. It is other courntries that must adapt to Germany
and never the other way round. Germany wants to make the neighbouring
countries obedient puppetstates.   

> All I said is that NPD works the same way the
>National Socialists used to. I do see some similarities. 

 Yes Hitler built some fine expressways. After the war the
neighbouring countries did the same and so what? Hitler removed the
unenployment and many other things. Are there anything wrong with
doing away  the unemployment just because Hitler did so? Sure you may
find similiarities between National Socialism and NPD or any other
party for that matter. Even in the paranoid minds of the
Verfassungschutz thoughtpolice, NPD is not a Naziparty.  

> Okay, let's move all immigrants out of Germany. It would
>certainly solve some problems. But it would create new problems, also!

I would prefere those new problems to the much bigger problems with
the multi-ethnic society. An ethnic homogeneous Germany or Denmark are
at any rate much better than ethnic heterogeneous ones.

>Only, they can't see so far. What about all the other problems which
>are not related to the foreigners?

These problems are peanuts in comparison. 

>It's simply what I see. And if I look around here I see a real danger
>only from the left and right wing extremes. Ole, I can see it, it's
>not only in my imagination! Like I said before:
>>> I see that
>>>stream with my own eyes. If don't care for what you can imagine or
>>>not. I go for what I see. All I can do is to show you what I see.

 In Denmark there have alway been some left- and rightwinged
extremists but they have never posed a threat to the Danish democracy.
The democracy have always been able to integrate them and swallow them
up. Both Hitler and Lenin said something like there must be a certain
amount of distress to motivate people for revolutions or radical
solutions. In a wealthy social welfare there will be no motivation for
revolution or the like. This is a widespread opinion in Denmark. No
one in their right mind will regard a revolution possible in Denmark.


> Many foreigners are honourable members of our society. 

They can be honourable members in their own countries too.

>Throwing them out just because they are foreigners would
>create lots of new problems

Then you must find solutions for those problems too.


>. Pushing all asylum seekers back wouldn't
>be helpfull, neither for them nor for the reputation of Germany.

All countries in Europe and North America must create ethnic
homogeneity at the same time. It won't work in just one country.

> In
>this case it's the "bureau-crazy" that cannot handle it. What we need
>are regulations to limit the number and separate those who are really
>in need of asylum from those who are just trying their luck in a new
>world.

Far from sufficient.


>
>BTW, I hate the word "third world". We all have only one world to live
>in.

I do not believe in One world. 


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Ole Kreiberg

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On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:58:49 -0500, "Chris Clauss"
 wrote:

>
>However, many people seemed to take offense to your post in general.

 Sure they do, and being typical Germans they are not able to handle
democracy and free speech, therefore they resort to  their
autoritarian nature and want some kind of censorship or suppression of
my dissident views.  This is exactly what I want to prove to the
Danish people. This is why I have planned to come to Germany before
the coming referendum  about the Amsterdam Treaty in Denmark in order
to be made the first Danish political prisoner in Germany since 1945.
I want to prove to the Danish public that under the thin veneer of
"democracy" you find the same "good" old Germans as in 1945. I want a
"no" the Amsterdam treaty like the leftwingers, and the German
authorities will have to help me. I want to fight with you German
people because you want to infringe on my freedom of speech and other
democratic rights through the EU, because you, and not the Danes, are
incapable of handling democracy and in your past were not able handle
nationalism either. 
  I will fight with you by the way of  civil disobedience like the
Indian patriot Mahatma Ghandi did in India against his British
oppressors. I will defy you again and again.  Your courts will be my
battleground.    

>
>Here is a suggestion.  Take the hint.  Go spew your hatred somewhere else.
>It does not seem to be appreciated here.

How dare you call my criticism for hatred.

>
>Could it be that you post to newsgroups as a cheap way to get your views of
>the world out?  Is this because no one listens to you elsewhere?  It sure
>seems like no one listens to you here either.

 I have had hundreds of letters to the editor printed in Danish
newpapers the last 12 years. I have spoken on both the Danish state
radio and on several private radio stations.  I ran as a candidate for
an anti-immigration party at the last election to the local
parliaments.  


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On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:09:57 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:28:39 GMT, olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>To ask somebody
>>to do something does not mean asking a question but  rather like
>>"auffordern oder bitten" in German.
>
>As a native German I can tell you that both german words have nothing
>to do with pressure. You may "auffordern" or "bitten" me to do
>something, it's still up to me to do it or not.

 I do not think that we understand the meaning of pressure the same
way.  To you pressuring somebody to do something means _ordering_
somebody to do something. To me it means that you can put a political
pressure on a government in order to make it do something it has no
obligation to do. A strike, protests or a riot can sometimes make a
government change a law or a policy in a certain field. This is
pressure too.  

>A German interest doesn't mean a must for other countries. It's a
>wish, nothing else. Proposing harmony and integration of economy
>should not create any conflict. And it sure does mean adaptation for
>Germany, too.

  It is a sad fact that the EU has to do with much more than just to
create harmony and integration in the field of economy. The final goal
is a kind of United "States" of Europe.
 
>>They can be honourable members in their own countries too.
>
>Sure. But I'm too lazy to go to Italy for a good pizza. I rather go to
>that great Italian restaurant around the corner.

 Italians are Europeans and not the kind of undesired immigrants I had
in mind. However Germans could easily learn to make pizzas without
having Italians in Germany. Look at the USA. You can buy pizzas
everywhere and far the most pizza-places are run by Non-Italian
Americans. 

>>All countries in Europe and North America must create ethnic
>>homogeneity at the same time. It won't work in just one country.
>
>Great idea and wishful thinking! Let's sweep all Americans out of the
>USA and Canada if they are not of an ancient tribe.

 We better leave the situation between the American Red Indians and
the rest of the Americans to the Americans. It is an internal American
problem.

> Deutschland den
>Deutschen, America for Comanches and Sioux only. Sorry, I forgot the
>other tribes.

 If the Red Indians had had the military strength, they certainly
would  have repelled the European immigration, and what today is
called the USA would today have been for the Red Indians only. 

>I'm not going to offend the ant again.
>You will probably always only accept explanations if they fit your
>image of the world. You appear too stubborn to change your own image.

 You mean change my image to the image of the One-Worlders and the
pigs in Brussels.

>>
>>I do not believe in One world. 
>
>You do not beliefe in any world outside your personal imagination.

 I believe in a world for people of European descent made up of
homogenious and sovereign national states. The Non-Whites can create
their own worlds in their own natural places.

>
>Hereby I consider our conversation as finished. 

OK let this be the last article.


---
Ole Kreiberg

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On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:56:02 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:

>Interesting view. Can you name any homogenous society that has been
>successful?

 No society is ideal. Such thing as an ideal society does not exist in
the real world. But some societies are indeed more ideal than others,
and homogeneous societies are better than heterogeneous ones.

> But we also have a lot of jobs done by foreigners
>that not many German would do any more.

 If the foreigners leave, the unemployed Germans will have to take
these jobs, and some the unemploymentproblem will be solved.

> I, personally, consider a
>multi ethnic society as rich. Different views and different
>experiences are a benefit.

 Multiethnic societies are more incoherent and chaotic than
heterogeneous ones. I can't see anything positive arise from a
multiethnic society.

> The problems are caused by intolerance and
>ignorance.
>

Empty phrases and catchwords from the anti-racist propaganda. One
should never show tolerance toward the multiethnic society. This kind
of tolerance is selfdestructice and should be condammed.

---
Ole Kreiberg

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On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:42:59 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:

>I understand it that way. There is no need finding an excuse in
>language difficulties. It's the contents. You could not give me any
>example of how this "pressure" is done in reality.

 I gave very good examples on how this pressure is exercised, but you
understand the word pressure different than I do.


> All you said to
>"prove" your statement was a contract the ministers could sign if they
>agreed to the contents. You failed to show how they were "made to
>agree". I can't see any political pressure. If Germany had such means,
>why are not all European countries EU members?

 Because Germany is not interested in all the potential new members.
Many of the Eastern European countries are too underdeveloped and may
be too costly for the established member-states, like DDR has been
very costly for BRD.

>> Italians are Europeans and not the kind of undesired immigrants I had
>>in mind.
>
>So, who especially do you have in mind?

 Haven't I clearly written the Third World. That is the poor Non-White
countries.

> Do you want to tell us who
>should be considered a German and who not? Are you going to tell us
>what immigrants we should desire and which ones to declare as
>undesired? 

No I have only written about my opinion in this matter.

>How many generations would you trace a family back to
>determine if they are really "some of us"?

 It is up to you to determine that. I believe in the sovereignty and
freedom of every nation. I am not going to interfere with the internal
affairs of foreign countries.

>> We better leave the situation between the American Red Indians and
>>the rest of the Americans to the Americans. It is an internal American
>>problem.
>
>I agree. But that takes your demand to create an ethnic homogeneity
>everywhere at the same time to the dump.

 I have much symphaty for the American patriots. I know that some of
them have ideas of dividing the USA in different ethnic nations. Black
patriots such as the NOI want some of the south eastern states as made
Black nation. Maybe a similiar solution could be applied for the Red
Indians. 

>> I believe in a world for people of European descent made up of
>>homogenious and sovereign national states. The Non-Whites can create
>>their own worlds in their own natural places.
>
>Is that your true intention? A _world_ for people of European descent.
>Send all others to the moon or so? 

Why?  People of Non-European descent are already populating most of
the land on Earth. 

>Or do you want to create countries
>for only those whose ancestors came from there?

If you want to repatriate Turks living in Germany Turkey would be an
ideal place. This is not an inhumane idea. There already live millions
of Turks in Turkey. Do you think that this  is inhumane too?  

>Tell this the white people in America or Australia.

 The White people in America and Australia are the majority in their
countries. It is the ethnic minorities that constitute the problems.
They are the ones that must leave.

> Take all the white
>people out of Africa and Asia. Resettle them in Europe - you'll love
>it!

Excellent idea . Let us receive them in exchange for those Asians and
Africans living here. This will be an ideal solution to the problem.

> What if a European man falls in love with an Asian woman, where
>should they live?

In Asia or a place where the majority of the population already
consist of people of mixed race.

> Should we plan on creating buffer zones?

In some cases perhaps.

> Why not
>have the whole world such a buffer zone, lead by tolerance and
>humanity?

Tolerance and humanity are empty catchwords closely related to
communistic ones. You can't built the world on those in the long run.

>>OK let this be the last article.
>
>I just coulnd't let this be unanswered.
>
Neither could I.

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Ole Kreiberg

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On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:56:02 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:
>
>>Interesting view. Can you name any homogenous society that has been
>>successful?
>
 I forgot to answer this very simple question. Japan is a good
example. Denmark was homogeneous until a few decades ago. In that
period the industrial society and the social welfare state were
created and Denmark became one of the best countries in the world.
This was not the case when we ruled over Norway, Iceland
Slesvig-Holsten, the Virgin Islands etc.  There are many more examples
on succesful homogeneous societies and very few if any at all on
heterogeneous ones.  

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Ole Kreiberg

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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 06:16:49 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:


>What if I do not ask for that trace at all but evaluate a person by
>what he is giving to the society he is currently living in?
>
>E.g. Germany. Why do you consider the descent more important than the
>actual person?

 Because the whole group is more important than the single individual.
When it come do ethnic differences I refuse to judge a person as an
individual but only as a member of an ethnic group.

>
>If we create a "clean" place for us we should let the Asians the same
>right. This European man would be of an ethnic minority there. They
>would send him back home to Europe to keep their Asia clean. What 
>then? What's the answer of your theory in this case?

 This would make marriage with an Asian impossible. Excellent I say.
Anyway, often you do not get the spouse you wish even if you are of
the same ethnic group. That is life. 
>
>I can trace my family back over many generations and centuries. This
>should entitle me to life in Germany. Assume I fall in love with a
>Filipina and would marry her. Would I then in your opinion lose the
>right to life in the land of my ancestors? Or should I rather life
>here without my wife?

It is your choice, and more important only _your_  problem. 

>Oh Ole, it's so cheap to call everything communist that is questioning
>your ideas. 

 I think that this was the first time I have referred to communism in
this thread.

> Empty catchwords? Tolerance and humanity are as old as
>mankind and the basic ideas of all religions.

 Tolerance is good as long as it is not selfdestructive. You shouldn't
tolerate somebody stealing your money or raping your wife. You
shouldn't tolerate unemployment, pollution etc. but trying to do
something about it, and of course you should not tolerate the
multiethnic society.

>
>You can't build the world of your dreams either.

 You can't build the world on the dream of  e.g. Martin Luther King.
Do you remember his "I had a dream speech"? This man was a real
daydreamer.



---
Ole Kreiberg

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On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:13:19 GMT, look@signature.below (Alexander
Rose) wrote:

>of course we can make our Pizzas on our own.
>But I tell you one thing - the imagination of walking through Hamburg and just 
>seeing Germans on the street makes me sick.

 Why do you hate the Germans so much? Are you a selfhating German or a
German-hating Non-German? 

 I grew up in a total ethnic homogeneous town and I never got sick of
that - on the contrary. I regard that the ideal state. On the other
hand national selfhate is not so common in Denmark as it is in
Germany.


>I _want_ to see Blacks, Turkeys, Italians, Greeks and such.

Why?

>A monoculture as a matter of fact is not what _I_ want.
>
You hate peace and harmony too, I can conclude. What kind of person
are you anyhow?

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Ole Kreiberg

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On 19 Feb 1998 11:36:00 GMT, abuse@127.1 (zhang zhiyao) wrote:

>Well, your impression is, to put it succinctly, incorrect. Apart from
>first-generation immigrants to Australia, few of us are ethnically "pure".
>The majority here have ancestors from at least two different countries of
>origin.
>
 I visited Australia for the first time back in 1972. You hardly saw
any Asians in Perth and Adalaide. In Sydney on the contrary already
back then there were too many Asians.

>That is, if you take the definition of ethnically pure as having parents or
>ancestors from the same country of origin. If you take into consideration
>human movement which took place in these countries of origin beforehand,
>there is no argument at all.

 I tend to see the White Australians as one Group and the Asians as
another. Even the White Australians came first and foremost from
Britain. The Australian culture is an Anglo-Saxon culture and in order
to sustain and develop this culture to it's full potential the vast
bulk of the Australian people should be of Anglo-Saxon stock.
Unfortunately like the Germans suffer from guilt and selfhate the
Australians suffer from self-effacing. I have never met people so
self-effacing as the Australians.

>Ethnic purity is pure nonsense as a concept anyway. It is inconsistent with
>the fact of human civilization.

Ehtnic purity should be an ideal for every country.

>
>
>#I have visited Australia six times.
>
>Then you have something to bear in mind if or when you visit us again!
>
 Can't have changed much since 1993, can it?



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On 20 Feb 1998 14:58:19 GMT, abuse@127.1 (zhang zhiyao) wrote:

>Ole Kreiberg (olk@patriot.dk) [Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:22:06 GMT] :

># I visited Australia for the first time back in 1972. You hardly saw
>#any Asians in Perth and Adalaide. In Sydney on the contrary already
>#back then there were too many Asians.
>
>How many is "too many"?

 That is a good question. However I think if you are really
consistence, one is one too many.

>#The Australian culture is an Anglo-Saxon culture and in order
>#to sustain and develop this culture to it's full potential the vast
>#bulk of the Australian people should be of Anglo-Saxon stock.
>
>Never mind that most Australians disagree with you. 

 I wonder if many Australians have any consistent attitudes toward the
future of their country at all.

>Care to explain why youthink this is so?

See below.

>
>#Unfortunately like the Germans suffer from guilt and selfhate the
>#Australians suffer from self-effacing. I have never met people so
>#self-effacing as the Australians.
>
>Which I find very endearing in my countrymen. Don't you?


I rather find it a deficiency in the national character.

>#Ehtnic purity should be an ideal for every country.
>
>Why should that which is both impossible and contrary to civilization be an
>ideal for any country at all?

 Why do you call ethnic purity contrary to civilisation? I think that
in a healthy civilisation you should strive for greater and greater
ethnic purity. You are improving the gene pool generation after
generation and the genepool are gradually moving up the latter of
evolution, and you have created the preconditions for a better world.
Without a better people you will not be able to get a better world.
The creation of more and more ethnic purity is one of the ways to
attain this. 


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Ole Kreiberg

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:59:59 +0900, "Arthur"  wrote:

>
>I think zhang zhiyao is wrong in stating that most Australians disagree.
>There is considerable disquiet in Ausytralia about an immigration policy
>that is seen to reflect the views of the political elite. This has been
>observed in many opinion polls of ths issue. To a large extent Australia's
>immigration policies have been forced on an unwilling population.

 It is the same  in the European countries and North America - a
conflict between political elite and a large part of the population.
An opinion poll here in Denmark showed 72 per cent of the participants
did not want the multi-ethnic society in the first place. 

>Are you talking of racial or ethnic purity? If ethnic purity, then how do
>you define it ?

 I think that it will in most cases be difficult to define ethnic
purity without first defining racial purity . 

>
>How does ethnic purity or even racial purity improve the gene pool?

 It is the basis for an enoblement.   

> From an
>evolutionary point of view there could be much said for racial or ethnic
>diversity which provide a more varied gene pool aiding the process of
>natural selection.

 Random inmixture may just create chaos  and nothing of value. You do
not know the long termed consequences of miscegenetion. You only have
the experience of history for understanding the consequences of
miscegenation, and history is not able to show just one example of
something good having come out of miscegenation. On the other hand
there are many examples to the contratry.

> Your view of "ethnic purity" seems to me to be very much
>like racial purity and if so I can't see how lack of genetic variation will
>facilatate " moving up the evolutionary ladder" It sounds like insularity
>and in breeding.

 Places like Denmark and Japan were very isolated for many centuries
and their populations became very homogenous. This made these
societies very cohesive. Man or nature can enoble a race , and you can
destroy the result  of this enoblement through miscegenation. 

> I think there is much to be said for both ethnic and racial
>diversity. The U.S.A. is a racially and ethnically diverse nation and
>although it has suffered terrible social disharmony and even violence as a
>result it has also greatly benefitted from being a dynamic  and flexible nat
>ion able to tap the extraordinarilly diverse talents her people. I think
>it's cultural and racial diversity has yielded considerable economic
>benefits by allowing the nation to respond quickly and creatively to new
>challenges and changed circumstances.

 I think that the White Americans created the greatness of the USA,
and inmixture of Non-White minorities will  gradually dilute this
greatness and nothing can be done about it. The USA is one the way to
the garbagedump of history, whether the Americans like it or not. 

>Countries like japan and Korea which place great vaue on racial and ethnic
>purity have come unstuck as of late in part I believe because of their
>cultural rigidity and insularity.
>>
Among the nations of the world South Korea and in particular Japan are
winners riding on first class. 

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Ole Kreiberg

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On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:33:03 +0900, "Arthur"  wrote:

>Yes. I tend to agree with your view that Australians are very self effacing.
>I think it might come from a sense of cultural inferiority sometimes called
>the "cultural cringe".

 But to me it seems irrational. I can understand that somebody coming
form a backward and poor country may feel inferior. I have never
really understood for which reasons the Australians feel inferior.
 
> As a self righteous young student in the 1980's  I referred to
>him as a fascist pig,as a racist and many other meaningless epithets still
>fashionable today.

 I was very leftwinged myself when I was younger. Today I like to
question and take a closer critical look on all those I used to
believe in. I think to get fruitful debate on  the meaning of
ethnicity you must formulate yourself very bluntly or else the
discussion may end up in waffle. 
 


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Ole Kreiberg

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On 12 Feb 1998 15:33:20 GMT, "Wayne Hampton"
 wrote:

>
>The broad masses are too complacent enough to learn history.  Those who do
>not know history are DOOMED to repeat it.  This is where the naivety comes
>in.

Are you trying to tell us that if the French do not learn about
Napoleon we will soon see the French army invading Russia, or if the
Scandinavians do not learn about the wikings, hordes of Scandinavians
will sail to England to ravage? 



Abraham H. Foxman, National Director of the Jewish  organisation
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (New York) in ADL On the
Frontline, January 1994 p. 2  answers why the "holocaust" is so
important to remember:

 "The Holocaust is something different. It is a singular event.
 It is not simply one example of genocide but a near successful
attempt on the life of God's chosen children and thus, on God
Himself. It is an event that is the antithesis of Creation as
recorded in the Bible; and like it's direct opposite, which is
relived weekly with the Sabbath and yearly with Torah, it must be
remembered from generation to generation"



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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 04:26:35 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:

>It looks strange to me. You agree having Italians here in Germany
>(they are not from the "third world"). But you blame Norwegians,
>Icelanders and Holsteiners for the problems Denmark was having when it
>had these countries occupied? Was it really the multiethnic society
>and not other causes?

 I was trying to say that multinational empires or multiethnic
societies are rarely the cause of harmony and prosperity - on the
contrary. I do not believe the European countries would have been
worse off in any respect without the EU - on the contrary. There are
two different problems here. One is the multi-national empire of the
EU. The other is the multi-ethnic society.

 Furthermore I do not blame any nationality or the  third world
immigrants for any problems. The multiethnic society and the EU are
the very problems. 
   
>
>As I said before, it's always so easy to blame those for problems who
>look different.

I am blaming the multi-ethnic society and not the third world
immigrants.

> And now it doesn't even take a different look. Just
>another nationality. But only for Denmark and not for Germany.
>Very strange logic...
>
 Different nationalities living within the same state do indeed create
tensions and problems. Have you forgotten about the Slesvig-Holsten
and the wars of 1848-51 and 1864? After the referendum and the
division  in 1920 this problem was almost totally wiped out. You can
also take a look on Northern Ireland, the former Yugoslavia, Cypruss,
the Basque land, Corsica etc. and you will understand.

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 04:26:30 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:

>This may occur to many others also. Why should I vote for a racial
>clean Europe and create problems that I wouldn't have without that?

You will get rid of a big problem in exchange for a much smaller one.
This is a good deal.

>I would not tolerate the thief, rapist or whatever, regardless of his
>nationality. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't tolerate anything. The
>difference that you refuse to see is that those criminals have done me
>some harm. My black neighbour has not. Why should I want him away? He
>is no problem at all.

Your Black neighbour may not have done harm, but  the multi-ethnic
society in which you both are members is indeed harmful. 


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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:21:51 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:56:44 GMT, olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:

>> You do
>>not know the long termed consequences of miscegenetion. You only have
>>the experience of history for understanding the consequences of
>>miscegenation, and history is not able to show just one example of
>>something good having come out of miscegenation. On the other hand
>>there are many examples to the contratry.
>
>The given "just one example" was the flexibility of the heterogeneous
>society of the USA. If you refuse to accept that because it
>contradicts your dream it does not tell that only your view is
>correct.

 The truth about the meaning of the racial differences is so obvious
that the burden of proof must be with those that proclaim the ethnic
equality and not the other way round. 

  If you want one of many examples, I could mention the Latin American
countries, the populations of which are a mixture of Whites, Red
Indians and sometimes Blacks. In those countries poverty, social
misery and political repression are prevailing. As soon as the USA
become as miscegenated as Latin America it will get the same
conditions, and even the thought police in Germany will not be able to
do anything about  that fact.   

>
>Is there any fact that could enlight for me what you mean by "enobled
>by nature"? This noble race seems to exist in your fantasy as it was
>in the fantasy of an Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels and their
>followers.

 I must admit that I prefere the thoughts of Arthur de Gobineau rather
than the above-mentioned two Germans who only were interested in
racialism so far as they could use [some of] it to enhance their
German chauvinism. Their agenda was a great Germany and not a great
"Aryan" race. 

 I certainly do not base my understanding of the meaning of the ethnic
differences on German chauvinsm. I rather base my understanding on the
expierence of history, common sense, logic and the eternal laws of
nature. The first law of nature is self-presrvation and this law also
applies to nations and ethnic groups. That simple - that obvious.

> Now you want everybody back to the roots of the family
>which would most likely leave back the native Americans alone. You may
>want to go further and send even them back to where they came from and
>leave the present USA to the buffalos.
>At the same moment you would lose the greatness of the USA. So what
>would your clean sweep be good for?

How the Americans want to solve their ethnic problems is an internal
American affair. It is not my business. The White Americans won what
today is the USA by military means, and if you want to force them to
leave, it can only be done by military means, which is not realistic.



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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:10:45 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:
>
>This impresses that homogeneous societies garant harmony and
>prosperity. How does it fit the present situation in Japan? How does
>this fit your feelings that the multi-ethnic Germany is a rich and
>powerful country? So powerful that it puts pressure on your country.
>

It became rich and powerful before it became multiethnic. 

>> I do not believe the European countries would have been
>>worse off in any respect without the EU - on the contrary. There are
>>two different problems here. One is the multi-national empire of the
>>EU. The other is the multi-ethnic society.
>
>You can't have the first one without the other.
>
 You can indeed have an EU without the presence of third world people.

>Multi-ethnicity is created by immigrants only! I, too, beliefe that a
>multi-ethnic society will have a lot of problems that would not arise
>in your dreamed homogeneity. But I do beliefe that it will be able to
>solve those problems and at the end will benefit.

 There will only be disadvantages with the multiethnic society.

>If you always stay on the surface of these problems it will certainly
>appear like that. Multi-ethnicity was or is in no case the real reason
>for the problems. It's always only blamed for them. In fact they are
>always based on the inability to tolerate different opinions and the
>longing for more power.

 A nationality or ethnic group will always  strive for a state of
their own or to  preserve the state that they have already got. Even
the Jews want to have and preserve their own state of Israel.

> What multi-ethnic problem do you see when
>Irish Lutherans fight Irish Catholics? 

 I do not see a religious problem. I see a problem between people of
British nationality (protestants) and people of Irish nationality
(catholics).

>In former Yugoslavia people of
>different ethnic groups have been living next door in peace for
>decades. 

Yogoslavia was kept together by authoritarian suppession from the
central regime in Belgrade. As soon they got the freedom of speech and
democracy they wanted to seperate.



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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:06:56 +0900, "Arthur"  wrote:

>Is there any such thing as an Aryan race? My understanding is that the idea
>of such a race is a specualtion based on linguistic similarities among
>Indo-European languages and is a discredited notion thesedays. I also
>understand that de Gobineau was an "Aryan" supremacist who spoke of the
>superiority of white races.

According to Gobineau there were no pure races any longer, only
various degrees of purity.
 
> Sure there are obvious and subtle difference between races, but i believe
>cultural, social and political differences  are more important.

Politically the question of race is inconvinient, and one may prefere
to think in the above-mentioned terms instead.

> The people
>of East and West Germany were racially similar as are the people of North
>and South Korea and yet there were and are huge differences in standard of
>living.

 Sure communism was a failure and never managed to create a high
living standard. Ethnic conditions are not the only factor in
determining the level of development of a society. 

>
>I recommend that you read "The Mismeasure of Man" by Stephen Jay Gould. He
>recounts the history of various attempts to find a scientific basis for
>cognitive and intellecyual differences between the races. I most cases,
>though certainly not all, such attempts were shoddy pseudo-scientific
>endeavours to justify the privileges of ruling elites.

 Sure the final truth about the race question  has not yet been
determined. You can easlily criticize both racialist researched well
as anti-racist research for being insufficient. 

On the other hand the present racialism does not want racial supremacy
but rather racial seperatism for the benefits of all races.



---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk               Don't hate
http://www.faelleslisten.dk         Let's seperate 



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From: olk@patriot.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:30:20 GMT, mhuebner@isbmh.com.removethis
(Michael Huebner) wrote:

>If you blame national problems on ethnic reasons it's up to _you_ to
>prove that connection. I cannot see it. If you want me to see it you
>should be interested in showing me what is so obvious to you. If I, on
>the other hand, blame different things for the same reason I do prove
>it. Didn't we just have that game before? You make statements and fail
>- now you even refuse - to prove them.

 If I have to prove this sufficiently I will have to come up with a
very long dissertation. I haven't got the time, and I do not think
that the usenet will be the right place to publish 1000 pages or more.
This is indeed a very complex subject.
  
>
>>  If you want one of many examples, I could mention the Latin American
>>countries, the populations of which are a mixture of Whites, Red
>>Indians and sometimes Blacks. In those countries poverty, social
>>misery and political repression are prevailing. As soon as the USA
>>become as miscegenated as Latin America it will get the same
>>conditions, and even the thought police in Germany will not be able to
>>do anything about  that fact.   
>
>If you, on the other hand, take Korea which we had worked out as an
>ethnically pretty clean country you can find a similar poverty, social
>misery and political problems. How does this fit your idea?

 South Korea is a much more coherent society with a higher economical
growth than any country in Latin America. 

>> I certainly do not base my understanding of the meaning of the ethnic
>>differences on German chauvinsm.
>
>Then I was probably wrong when I believed to recall you as the one who
>used to sign his messages as admirer of Hitler.

This was an American by the name Cliff Swiger.

> Anyway, what stays is
>my question for any fact that could enlight  what you mean by "enobled
>by nature".

 You can improve or enoble a race by the right breeding. This is an
natural law. You can downbreed a population or you can ímprove and
enoble the gene pool. I think that you have an obligation and
responsibilty to nature to do the latter. It is simple common sense.

>
>> I rather base my understanding on the
>>expierence of history, common sense, logic and the eternal laws of
>>nature. The first law of nature is self-presrvation and this law also
>>applies to nations and ethnic groups. That simple - that obvious.
>
>Finally we have reached a point of total agreement :-)
>This law applies also to the Turks in Germany. It's simply obvious
>that it would take a strong force to break their resistance if we'd
>clean sweep the country to get rid of them.

You take them out one by one over the span of some years.

> Many of them were born
>here and are more German than Turkish. They speak our language very
>well but Turkish with an accent. They know about our habits,
>traditions and behaviours better than about the Turkish ones.

 But they are still Turks, and they can never become real Germans
which are ethnic Germans. In the old duchy of Slesvig, that is the
very northern part of Germany and the very southern part of Denmark,
there have lived a mixed Danish and German population since the Middle
ages. The Danes living there (I cannot speak for the Germans) regard
themselves hundred per cent Danish. The worst insult you can make
against these Danish people is to call them Half-Germans or suggesting
that they are more German than Danes living in other parts of Denmark.
They live close to the Germans and they will never become Germans.  

>
>Why do you make the situation in Germany your business, then?

 I am only discussing some problems. Of course this matter can only be
dealt with by the Germans.

>Remember, it was you who told me to not marry a Filipina because I
>would lose the right to live in the country of my ancestors...

To marry a filipino and bringing her  to Germany is treason against
your ancestors.


---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk               Don't hate
http://www.faelleslisten.dk         Let's seperate 



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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:39:43 +0100, Juergen Hubert
 wrote:

>If the European noble houses are any judge, then it is also the basis
>for inbreeding and hereditary diseases... There are quite a few families
>with a tendency towards hemophilia, and if we talk about excentricity...
>

There are no danger of  inbreeding in a population of the size of that
of Denmark. That is 5 million. Furthermore there are hundred of
millions of White people around the world, and the White race will
not face any  danger of inbreeding. 

---
Ole Kreiberg

http://www.patriot.dk               Don't hate
http://www.faelleslisten.dk         Let's seperate 




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