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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep  1 22:02:43 PDT 1996
Article: 61592 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 19:42:45 +0100
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>In article <0DQ8oOev1SKB065yn@login.dknet.dk>, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> Did the America First movement want to abolish the American constitution 
>> and make the USA into a dictatorship. If not, you do not have the right to
>> call them nazis.
>
>Silly Nazi. Of _course_ I (or Mr. Edeiken) the the (Constituionallly
>protected) right to call members of the America First movement Nazis. Of
>course, it also helps, from a argumentative point, that they also
>supported the Nazis and shared their ideological bed. 
>
  But don't you have laws against slander and libel in the USA? If somebody
 calls me a nazi in public and I sue him he will actually have to prove
 that I am nazi. A very important feature in nazism is dictatorship
 as well a social darwinism. Without being an adherent of this it will be 
 libel to call somebody a nazi. There have also been several cases in DK
 where opponents of immigration have been called racists in public. A racist 
 is defined as one who think that his race is superior to others and that 
 one race has a natural right to rule over other races. Those anti-
 immigration people had never advocated such views, and they therefore won 
 their cases.

 Remember that the term "racist" and in particular "nazi" are very 
 negatively charged, and you should therefore be very carefull by labelling 
 somebody with these terms in order to avoid to be taken to the court.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep  1 22:02:44 PDT 1996
Article: 61593 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi!
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 20:04:43 +0100
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In article <3229D2CE.31F2@twics.com>, Rene v. Rentzell wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>
>>  On the contrary. I have always spoken out against the immigration from
>> the third world and the multi-ethnic society. So how could I be regarded
>> a traitor? During the WW2 a traitor was one that *acted* pro-German. 
>
>But Ole, you *do* realize that saying this makes a racist and worse
>hereabouts?

  The courts in Denmark have ruled that it is libel to call you a racist if 
you are just an opponent of the immigration and the multiethnic society. You 
must have advocated the superiority of your own race and the natural right 
to rule over the other races in order to make legal to label you a racist 
in public. (In English this is called [e.g. White] supremacy.)

>You see, Denmark might only have 5 million people, but it does not
>have a right to preserve its culture. 

 In Denmark today the word traitor is reserved for those that promote 
immigration, and they have not even tried to win a case in the court for 
being called so in public.

>Immigrating third worlders,
>however, most certainly do. Come on, drink a glass of Gin, listen
>to Big Brother, and you'll start to love it too.

HM. This would indeed be a despicable and cowarly attitude. 


--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep  1 23:28:28 PDT 1996
Article: 84689 of soc.culture.german
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.european-union,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German hegemony over Europe through the European Union
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In article <503d1b$ldn@duke.telepac.pt>, Leonardo Melo Pared wrote:
>
>     Singapore are not lean against a large market as Japan. Denmark are!
>     One of the problems will be if Denmark stay outside of a united Europe 
>already with the Euro, defining the most powerful economy of the world. No 
>one will go invest there, not even the largest Denmark enterprizes.

But what about Norway and Switzerland? Will no one invest there too because
they do not have this silly Euro currency? Will the Swiss Franc stop 
being a very strong currency after the introduction of the Euro in the EU?
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep  2 09:28:21 PDT 1996
Article: 61613 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article <508td3$2da@myntti.Helsinki.FI>, Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
> That is not the case, if the Nazis take over, everyone
>loses their rights, possibly for good. Therefore I view protecting the
>Rights of Nazis as either naive or willful support of their ideas.
>
 This is the way that Joseph McCarthy and the Commitee against 
Anti-American Activities in USA in fifties spoke about communism. Nazism is 
even much more unlikely to take over anywhere today than communism was and 
still is. Germany is an openly paranoid country with political prisoners
and disgrace for democracy in Europe.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep  2 09:28:23 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Joel Rosenberg wrote:
>
>Well, yes, he did.  He violated German and Danish law by sending Nazi 
>propaganda into their countries.  

  Nonsens. He did not violate any Danish laws by sending propaganda to 
Denmark. If he had done so he would have been convicted while being in 
custody in Denmark. His American organisation is still printing the 
magazine "Faedrelandet" (The Fatherland) of the Danish Naziparty. The content 
of this magazine is fully legal in Denmark. *He had not violated any laws in
Denmark*. Just ask those courts that allowed him to be extradited. He was
extradited because of German political pressure and intimidation. The 
Americans can never imagine how it has always been for small Denmark to have 
such an unpleasant neighbour country. The USA has the strongest army in the 
world and is armed to the teeth nuclear weapons and has not to fear anyone. 
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep  2 10:25:11 PDT 1996
Article: 41635 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi!
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In article <504j05$d13@molokini.conterra.com>, bob whitaker  wrote:
>      Ole, here we go again.  On the white power ng, these same 
>clones are insisting they never call anybody a Nazi, and that 
>there is no such thing as a traitor, since I call them race 
>traitors.
>      As for this clown, Hitler died over half a century ago.  
>Traitors are people like you who call immigration and 
>integration the Final Solution to race problem.  

 But a traitor to what? Certainly not my country or race.  

>Since this 
>immigration and integration will only do away with one race, 
>the white race, it is the Final Solution to the White Problem.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep  2 18:36:18 PDT 1996
Article: 61763 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Dave Harman OBC wrote:
>
  
> The mere fact that Denmark never enforced their anti-racist laws does not 
>mean that racism is legal in Denmark!

  There is in Denmark no law that mentions racism. However, there is a 
heavily disputed law (section 266B of the penal code) that makes it illegal 
to insult, debase or persecute a group of people because of race, 
nationality, religion and sexual orientation. However, this law can of 
course not overrule the constitution in which the freedom of speech is made
statutory. This is mentioned by the legislators in the comments to this law.

  The Danish politicians often admit that this is a very stupid law and it
is only made in order to please a UN convention. They say that the only 
reason for not removing this silly law is that it will be a "wrong" polical 
massage to send to the ethnic minorities in Denmark, and furthermore what 
would the other nations think if Denmark was the only nation that did so?
There is a permanent strong political pressure to repeal this law. In some
of the older lawbooks you can read in the comments to the law that most
people regard it unconstitutional. Even if this law was enforced with no
regards to the constitution it would still be legal to be a racialist and
express racialist views as long as you just abstain from insulting, debasing 
or persecuting somebody because of race, nationality, religion and sexual
orientation. To critisize somebody e.g. the Jews and their influence is not 
the same as insulting, debasing or persecuting them. The same is the case
with e.g. uttering your utmost disgust against multiracialism and 
misgecenation, because this utterance is not directing on any particular 
ethnic group.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep  3 09:26:46 PDT 1996
Article: 84812 of soc.culture.german
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>
>> >History can show that, whenever people made statements like the cited,
>> >mass killings were the outcome.
>
>> Show me one example outside of Germany in the 20th century.
>
>Yugoslavia, Ruanda, Burundi, Sudan, Indonesia, Armenia/Aserbaidchan,
>Iraq, Turkey, China (PROC), South Africa just to mention some.
>

 The tension between the various groups were not created by some agitation
or statements. In e.g. the former Yugoslavia it was already there but was 
supressed by the communist dictatorship and ideology. When the dictatorship
was removed these tensions rapidly ascended to the surface. The same was the
case when democracy came to Denmark in the middle of the 19th century. While
the new Danish constitution was written, civil war broke out between the
German population in Slesvig-Holsten and Denmark. This came spontanously
and not because of some agitation. The tensions had been there for 
centuries but were ignited by this new constitution. 

 The Germans think that it so important to learn from history. But why is it 
only the period from 1932 to 1945 they want learn from? Why do they not 
want to remember the rest of history? I think that you can learn a lot from 
the war of 1848-51 about why the formation of an European Union should be 
avoided. The closer the different nationalities or ethnic groups are forced 
to live together the more tension will crop up. These tensions are not 
created by agitation but they rather arise spontaniously in consequence of 
the differences between the different groups. You see this phenomenon all 
over the world.

 To me Helmuth Kohl with his wild-eyed plans for a united Europe is just 
as big a maniac as Hitler with his Neuropa plan. Grosswirtschaftraum
was the slogan of the German nazis. This ugly Kohl is trying to accomplish
by peaceful means what the Germans were not able to accomplish by aggressive
means in WW1 and WW2.

>
>> miscegenation created those political, economical and social conditions
>> which prevails in Latin America. 
>
>Feel free to explain how. I mean is there a gene granting economical,
>social and cultural success to the white man or - to be more general - to
>pure races ?  

 No races are equal, and neither the individuals within the same race are  
equal in inherent abilities. They may be equal towards the law, but that is
all. In Latin America, a country like Costa Rica is much whiter than 
the other countries in tropical Latin America and is much more developed 
and political stable. The southern Brazil with a predominant white 
population is much more developed than the north east with a predominant 
negro and mullatto population. 

>How is the purity of races determined biologically ?  I do
>mean _real_ biology not the socio-darvinistic derivatives. (To all
>biologists: Be assured that I know, social darvinism is _no_ biological
>derivative but an ideology instrumentalizing biological schemes, but at 
>least lingually it is.)

 The problem is that we do not know enough about races, allthough the 
the meaning of the inherent differences is quite obvious.

>
>Let's have a look on "miscegenation created economical conditions". A
>violation of arbritrary, human made, pseudo-natural "biological" categories 
>does create economical conditions ?  How that ?  Seems no better than the
>medieval explanation of "God did strafe them as they do not believe in
>real God". 
>
>
>> In Latinamerica the choise is between a Castro, a Pinochet or chaos.
>
>Oh, really ?  Hmmm, of course it might have occured as being chaotic to
>United Fruit and others if a government does oppose them concerning having
>the control of the ressources of a country. But as you don't see any
>problem with it, 

Well this is a problem between these countries and the USA.

>you would not object about 75 % of the property in
>Denmark being in posession of let's say German companies and privateers ?
>
 This would of course be a problem between Denmark and Germany. It is one
of the strong reasons why I and the Danish left wing are so heavily 
against the EU. As long as Denmark is outside the EU it can take counter
measures against the danger of German economical domination. Within the EU 
it will be abandonned. To be in favour of the EU is the same as being 
traitors like those Danes that supported Germany in 1940-45.

>By the way: why do you object the EC ?  And why to you complain about
>"German interference and hegemony" ? 
>
See above.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep  4 16:50:10 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <322D0FF8.41E3@netvigator.com>, TsuiDB  wrote:
>  To sum up simply, it would be exceedingly bizarre for Denmark (or any 
>country) to extradite anyone for something which did not constitute an 
>offense in Denmark.  Whether or not Denmark's prosecutors would exercise 
>their discretion to prosecute that offense within Denmark is an entirely 
>separate question.
>
 Denmark acted under pressure like it did in 1941 when the Danish communist
party was forbidden and 300 communists arrested. The latter was clearly an
unconstitutional act. What the former is I am not so sure of. But one thing 
is for sure, this extradition case stinks. Lauck's activities were directed 
against Germany and he would in any case have been asked to leave the country 
after the expiry of his 3 monthes visitor's permit. Because Lauck does not 
speak Danish he has not produced any propagandamaterial to Denmark. The nazi 
magazine in Danish that is printed in his headquarter in the USA is written 
by Danes in Denmark who have taken account for the Danish legislation. 
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep  4 23:30:20 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>Well, for certain, you nattering Nazi twit, she is smarter tha _you_! 
                                                            ^^^^
>

  Because she has learned how to spell? :-D :-D By the way I have traced a 
mis-spelling in your text above which proves that you are not as smart as 
the great Sara, who was number one in spelling in her primary school. Or 
maybe Sara just have got a new spell check program to her computer that she 
is very proud of. Unfortunately I do not have one that is able to work 
together with my external newsreader that I apply for writing follow-ups 
and articles to the newsnet.

The great Sara must be the pet aversion of people with dyslexia. ;-)
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep  5 15:42:29 PDT 1996
Article: 62707 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 21:23:51 +0100
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In article <50lf7m$3f4@mag6.magmacom.com>, Howard Eisenberger wrote:
>In article <322D0FF8.41E3@netvigator.com>,
>TsuiDB  wrote:
>>
>>... To sum up simply, it would
>>be exceedingly bizarre for Denmark (or any country) to extradite anyone
>>for something which did not constitute an offense in Denmark.
>     _________________________________________________________________
>                                      
>   By Lars Foyen
>   COPENHAGEN, June 6 (Reuter) - A Danish district court on
>   Tuesday approved a German request for the extradition of U.S.
>   neo-Nazi leader Gary Lauck, suspected of smuggling banned hate
>   literature into Germany for two decades.
>
>   While Germany strictly bans the use or publication of Nazi
>   symbols and ideology, Denmark, the United States, Canada and
>   other countries have more liberal laws which have been exploited
>   by neo-Nazis to publish beyond the reach of German police.
>*  But the Roskilde court said Lauck's written and verbal
>*  attacks on Jews violated Danish anti-racism laws, making it
>*  possible to extradite him.

  Bah, the bloody Roskilde kangaroo court! There was so much secretiveness in
this case. How can Lauck violate a Danish law in the USA? Is the USA within
the Danish jurisdiction?  

 Does that mean that if I am driving 90 mph (app. 140 kmph) on the expressway 
in Germany where there are no speed limits, and I then go to the USA where 
there are speed limits which are taken very seriously, that I may expect to 
receive a fine for speeding in Germany? 

 Several law professors were quoted in Danish newspapers for saying that his 
"violation" in the USA could give 15 days in jail at most in Denmark? In 
order to extradite somebody he must have done something that could give at 
least one year of prison in Denmark. 

 This was a case of German pressure, hegemony and intimidation of the Danish
authorities not seen alike since 1940-45, and Germany will have to pay for 
this foul act - not for convicting Lauck but for involving Denmark in it's 
bizarre and paranoid nazi-hunting.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep  5 16:27:02 PDT 1996
Article: 42081 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net>, Craig Thomas Reisse wrote:
>
>Gary Lauck did much more than just supply NAZI propaganda and print 
>Anti-Semitic hate materials.  He also published detailed manuals and 
>instruction sheets (in German) for making bombs and other terroristic 
>devises.

 If that was the case then why was he only charged and convicted for 
thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent?
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep  5 17:04:22 PDT 1996
Article: 84987 of soc.culture.german
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Trade between Europe and the Third World
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In article , Ole Kreiberg wrote:
> The following is a translation of a letter to the editor of the social 
>democratic Danish newpaper, Det Frie Aktuelt. It was printed as a 
>commentary just below the editorial on 18.08.1996.
>
I am sorry that I made a mistake. The correct date is 18.08.1994
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep  5 17:04:23 PDT 1996
Article: 85097 of soc.culture.german
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Trade between Europe and the Third World
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 The following is a translation of a letter to the editor of the social 
democratic Danish newpaper, Det Frie Aktuelt. It was printed as a 
commentary just below the editorial on 18.08.1996.

          Shall the Social Welfare Vanish into Thin Air?

                        By Ole Kreiberg

  I have often heard the allegation that if you give the industrial goods 
of the third world free access to the markets of the wealthy countries, 
that would be the solution to the problems of the third world.

  It is not that simple. The capital does usually according to the 
economical natural laws move to where the biggest profit is. There 
is much more profit in producing goods in a third world country where
the labour costs are e.g. 50 cent per hour, and then exporting them to an 
industrialized country where there is the highest possible spending power. 
When an industrial company moves it's production or a part of it's 
production to a third world country, does this mean lower prices to the 
consumers in the wealthy countries? Usually not, it only means higher profit 
for the invested capital. 

  The ideal situation for the third world countries would be, that since
they are capable of producing goods at very low costs, these goods should
first and foremost be sold at similiar low prices to their own
populations. That would mean a real improvement of the standard of living
there. The demand from the rich countries is making the prices increace 
in the third world countries, while the low production costs in the third
world are creating unemployment in the rich countries. This unemployment
has a sweating effect on wages in the rich countries. Danish politicians 
are already talking about lowering the minimum wage and thereby gradually 
creating a shabby proletariat.

  Therefore this trade is neither beneficial for the poor in the third
world countries nor the badly off in the industrialized nations. The only
one that benefits from this situation is the capital and may be also some of 
the usefull idiots of the capital on the political left wing that hereby get 
some more poor people to feign solidarity with. I should like by this letter 
to ask the social democratic party and the labour unions whether the 
so-called new world order needs unskilled and badly off Danes at all? Are 
they going to scrape through as street vendors and shoeshiners and gradually 
sink down to the level of the majority of the populations in third world? 
Are the social welfare that the social democratic party and the labour 
unions have created the last 60 years going to vanish into thin air in the 
new world order? Shall all industrial production move to the third world and 
be produced under slavery-like conditions? I think that many of the 
traditional voters of the social democratic party would like to get an 
answer to these questions.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep  5 17:04:24 PDT 1996
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In article <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net>, Craig Thomas Reisse wrote:
>
>Gary Lauck did much more than just supply NAZI propaganda and print 
>Anti-Semitic hate materials.  He also published detailed manuals and 
>instruction sheets (in German) for making bombs and other terroristic 
>devises.

 If that was the case then why was he only charged and convicted for 
thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent?
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep  5 17:26:59 PDT 1996
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In article <322C4CC8.36C7@novia.net>, Craig Thomas Reisse wrote:
>
>Gary Lauck did much more than just supply NAZI propaganda and print 
>Anti-Semitic hate materials.  He also published detailed manuals and 
>instruction sheets (in German) for making bombs and other terroristic 
>devises.

 If that was the case then why was he only charged and convicted for 
thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent?
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep  6 21:32:52 PDT 1996
Article: 63044 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:23:24 +0100
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In article <50gnnr$93j@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
>>    A very important feature in nazism is dictatorship
>>   as well a social darwinism. Without being an adherent of this it will be 
>>   libel to call somebody a nazi.
>
>       An American jury would laugh at this argument.
>

 In that case I would ask the jury the following the question: "Can Nazis 
be democratic? Since when have the nazis dropped the leadership principle
(Fuehrerprinzip)? And since when have the nazis embraced the social welfare
state as I do?" 

*You cannot be a nazi if you are not in favour of dictatorship*.

>
>
>>  There have also been several cases in DK
>>   where opponents of immigration have been called racists in public. A racist 
>>   is defined as one who think that his race is superior to others and that 
>>   one race has a natural right to rule over other races. Those anti-
>>   immigration people had never advocated such views, and they therefore won 
>>   their cases.
>
>       You, on the other hand, have advocated those views.
>
       You are lying. I have never advocated the right of one race to rule 
other races. This would have meant that I am tolerating different races 
living within the same state which I certainly do not.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep  7 09:23:35 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>
>Lauck was arrested in Denmark because the Danish judiciary suspected
>him of breaking Danish law. 

 This is not true. He was arrested after Germany had ordered Denmark to do 
so. How would he have been able to break Danish anti-racist laws when he was 
not able to speak the language? You will find no case in Denmark in this 
century where somebody has been jailed just because of his political 
attitudes. Exceptions for this rule is the period 1940-45 and now the Lauck 
case and both times Germany was the culprit. Please point out something 
concrete he had done against Danish law in Denmark while he was visiting 
local nazis. I have  never heard of anything. In the last decades there has 
been an outright nazi-party in Denmark, and this party has published 
innumeral magazines and pamphlets and there has not been raised a single 
case against them, because they have adapted their material to these laws. 
(This means that they have avoided expressions as "subhumans", "mud races" 
etc.). Gerhard Lauck has obviously not taken Danish laws into account when 
he wrote his German stuff in the USA. That was the *only thing* that the 
Danish Kangaroo courts had against him.


>While he was in Danish custody, the German
>judiciary requested his extradiction, and a Danish court ruled that
>he could be extradicted according to Danish law. He was then 
>transported to Germany - but I doubt he went in chains. Closed van
>sounds more likely.

The German authorities had hired a special airplane for the purpose.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep  7 09:23:36 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article <50o3e1$dou@mag6.magmacom.com>, Howard Eisenberger wrote:
>
>
>"Shall declare an offence punishable by law all dissemination
>of ideas based on racial superiority or hatred, incitement
>to racial discrimination, as well as all acts of violence
>or incitement to such acts against any race or group of
>persons of another colour or ethnic origin, and also the
>provision of any assistance to racist activities, including
>the financing thereof...."
>
>-International Convention on the Elimination of All forms of
> Racial Discrimination, [1970] Can. T.S., No. 28, Art. 4(a).
>
I think that time has come to scrap this silly and useless convention.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep  7 09:23:37 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi!
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In article <50g2v7$2ds@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
>>    The courts in Denmark have ruled that it is libel to call you a racist if 
>>  you are just an opponent of the immigration and the multiethnic society. You 
>>  must have advocated the superiority of your own race and the natural right 
>>  to rule over the other races in order to make legal to label you a racist 
>>  in public. (In English this is called [e.g. White] supremacy.)
>
>       You have done so, nazi-boy.
>
>       --YFE


 I have never advocated that one race should have the right to rule over 
other races. This will inevitablely lead to miscegenation in the long run. 
I have just advocated that the races should live seperately. That would be
the best for all and in particular the weaker races.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


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In article <50n1q1$3ad@kruuna.Helsinki.FI>, Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
>In article ,
>Ole Kreiberg  wrote:
>>In article <508td3$2da@myntti.Helsinki.FI>, Osmo Ronkanen wrote:
>>> That is not the case, if the Nazis take over, everyone
>>>loses their rights, possibly for good. Therefore I view protecting the
>>>Rights of Nazis as either naive or willful support of their ideas.
>>>
>> This is the way that Joseph McCarthy and the Commitee against 
>>Anti-American Activities in USA in fifties spoke about communism. Nazism is 
>>even much more unlikely to take over anywhere today than communism was and 
>>still is. Germany is an openly paranoid country with political prisoners
>>and disgrace for democracy in Europe.
>
>Well there was a point in opposing communism, but the methods were all
>wrong.  Instead of just making spreading of communist material illegal,
>they instituted witch hunts that were not based on any law. 
>
>Has they banned spreading communist material and then given the accused
>fair trial and not used excessive punishments, then I would not have so
>much against it. Of course the US has never been a communist country, so
>the situation is not comparable.
>
 If you ban a certain political ideology or the spred of certain written 
political material you have no longer the right to be called a democracy.
Germany is a phony democracy like the former DDR (East Germany = The German
Democratic Republic) allthough it has still not reached the same level, it 
seems rapidly to head in that direction. Remember DDR was fighting an 
everlasting fascist threat. It even had to built a wall between east and 
west Berlin which was called something like:" The wall to protection against 
fascism". The present equally paranoid Federal German Republic is fighting 
a battle against some great nazi threat which only seems to exits in it's 
unreal delusions.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep  7 18:07:03 PDT 1996
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In article <50nlqp$mc2@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Rich Graves wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>
>> If that was the case then why was he only charged and convicted for 
>>thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent?
>
>I assume you have a copy of the indictment where he was charged for
>"thought-crimes, political incorrectness and dissent"? Please post this
>document, which I am sure will be fascinating.

 As I have said before there were a lot of secretiveness about this case.
When the case was pending, I called the leader of the Danish nazi-party,
Johni Hansen and asked him what Lauck had "done". He referred to a label
with the text (in German): "The Jews are guilty in our distress". No matter
how ridiculous and how much you may disagree with an argument like this it
is obvious that it has nothing to do with crime, and proves that this case 
was all political persecution and was against the Danish constitution. I 
have read a lot of statements in Denmark harsher than that about ethnic 
minorities. But no Danish court would never dare to convict a Dane to jail 
on this unconstitutional law. This would create too much political tensions 
that could seriously threaten the political stability in Denmark. Therefore 
I think that all Danish politicians find it very convenient if only Germany 
is blamed for this deed. 
>
>In the meantime, I wonder whether any of you Defenders of Freedom (tm) 
>would like to comment on why the Zionist Communists that control Germany
>are actually expending more effort suppressing far-left self-described
>anti-fascists. Obviously a ZOG trick. It couldn't be that the German
>national security establishment, just like any other national security
>establishment, is concerned about any lunatic-fringe group that poses a
>threat to society, regardless of "ideology." 
>

 Germany also proves it's anti-democratic nature when it persecutes left-
winged groups. The German word "Berufsverbot" (exclusion from government
jobs of politically reasons) is already adopted in the Danish language and
is very negatively charged. No Danish company - private or government - 
would like to be accused of "Berufverbot". In Germany "Berufsverbot" has hit 
mostly the political left wing. The persecution of the left wing in Germany
is just as despicable as the persecution of the right wing and proves
the fundamental weakness of the German "democracy",
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep  8 08:01:48 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <322F5785.1ADD@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Alfred Strom  wrote:
>
>For one small example, I am myself in favor of racial separatism and 
>self-determination for Whites in an all-White racial state. I further 
>believe that America should never have fought on the side of the 
>Communists during World War II, and that a victory by the anti-Comintern 
>powers would have been much better for America than the reverse. Should I 
>be jailed for propagating these views through the mails or on the 
>Internet?
>
>Please tell me what _your_ view is on this. We already know about the 
>"laws" of Germany and Denmark.
>

 In 1994 I spent 6 monthes in the USA where I listened to your radio program
"American Dissident Voices" every saturday evening. Your radio program
and all the material of the National Alliance that I have seen, seem to be 
acceptable according to the Danish legislation. The ideas themselves are not 
forbidden in Denmark. It is only certain rhetorics. One of the most 
wellknown German revisionists and nazi-"apologists", Thies Christophersen  
has lived in exile in Denmark for more than 10 years, and the courts have 
refused to extradite him and have ruled that nothing of what he has written 
has been severe enough to have violated Danish laws. 

 Because of his presence in Denmark there had been the fear that real 
hardcore nazis would regard Denmark as a safe heaven for printing a 
distrubuting nazi material to Germany. This is the background for the German 
pressure which let to arrest and extradition of Gerhard Lauck. This has not 
so much to with laws as with the wish of scaring foreign nazis from settle
down in Denmark in order to please to German government.

Posted and e-mailed.



--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep  9 08:20:52 PDT 1996
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>
>[quote showing that a Danish court extradicted Lauck to Germany, because
>he had also violated Danish law. - Thanks Mr. Eisenberger for that info]
>
>
>Lauck was sentenced for crimes committed IN GERMANY! - The publishing
>of the "NS - Kampfruf" containing incitement to racial hatred and 
>denial of the holocaust. 

 This does not explain how he could possibly have broken the law in Denmark
by producing some magazines and pamphlets in the USA about the Jews and then 
mailing them to Germany. How can that be a problem within Danish 
jurisdiction? If Germany wanted him extradited they should have gone to 
the American embassy in Bonn and not the Danish. 

Why did Germany have to embarrass the Danish public by involving Denmark in 
it's silly and paranoid Nazi hunt at all? Why can you Germans not just built 
a wall around Germany as protection against ubiquitous foreign nazis that 
constantly are threatening the fragile German democracy. The DDR did 
something like that, and they called it the "the wall for protection against 
fascism". You could call yours "the wall for protection against nazism". And 
do not forget to shoot all Germans on sight that try to escape to the ugly 
nazi world outside this wall. ;-)
 
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep  9 08:20:53 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <50ufg9$g4u@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk says...
>
>>>-International Convention on the Elimination of All forms of
>>> Racial Discrimination, [1970] Can. T.S., No. 28, Art. 4(a).
>>>
>>I think that time has come to scrap this silly and useless convention.
>
>Or maybe to scrap your silly and useless posts ;)
>
>Should we take a vote?
>
In a constitional democracy you have the right to critisize and be in
opposition to every law and convention.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep  9 08:20:54 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <50qh5k$f5@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Rich Graves wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>In article <50o3e1$dou@mag6.magmacom.com>, Howard Eisenberger wrote:
>>>
>>>-International Convention on the Elimination of All forms of
>>> Racial Discrimination, [1970] Can. T.S., No. 28, Art. 4(a).
>>>
>>I think that time has come to scrap this silly and useless convention.
>
>Sorry. Denmark is a full signatory, without reservations. A few
>reservations relating to implementation in the Faeroe Islands were
>withdrawn October 4th, 1972.
>
>If you believe that Denmark is entitled under international law to
>discriminate against Jews and other people you don't like, you should
>bring it up with your MP. You should also request that Denmark withdraw
>from the Convention on Genocide, as some of your proposals contravene that
>convention, too.

 These conventions do not overrule the Danish constitution that gives the
citizens the freedom of speech. That is why I can agitate in public against 
the disgusting multi-ethnic society and the stupid multiracial ideology.
Without the full freedom of speech you do not have a true democracy. The 
freedom of speech can only be limited by slander and libel. The anti-racist
law (section 266B) of the penal code forbits you to insult, debase and 
persecute somebody because of race, nationality, religion and sexual 
orientation. Your statements about *specific* groups must have the character 
of slander and libel and be of a certain gravity in order to no longer be 
protected by the freedom of speech (section 77 of the constitution). E.g. 
there is not enough gravity in expressions such as "dumb, superficiuos and 
uncouth Yanks", "megalomaniac and dishonest Yids" "mad Krauts" or
"cheese-paring Scots" 

 I certainly agree that Denmark should withdraw from those silly 
UN conventions as quick as possible, and as a citizen in a democracy I
have of course my legal right to advocate that view in public. 

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep  9 19:33:31 PDT 1996
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In article <50ruij$1k82@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote:
>
>There was no punishment for what Gary Lauck was thinking.  

But there was for expressing those thoughts in public.

>If you want, you 
>can travel through Germany and think all the neo-Nazi thoughts you wish.  You 
>can fantasize about racist pogroms all you want.  It's only when you act on 
>those thoughts that you risk breaking the law and being put into prison.  

 What you and the German government call laws in this connection have
nothing to do with laws but it is rather measures for political repression.
You cannot make the expression of political thoughts a crime because it does
not have a criminal character. Everyone, also the criminals, knows what 
crime is and every honest person will tell you that Lauck has never done 
anything criminal. His political ideology may be disgusting and extremely
antagonistic to the German political establishment but it is not criminal.
A lot of the historical German nazis and Soviet communists may have 
committed acts that can be regarded criminal, but Lauck has not. He has 
only committed thought-"crimes". Politically he is an absolute nonentity 
with no influence on any real events at all. Right now he has attained the
status of political prisoner which I am sure must have boosted his self-
esteem.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 10 17:31:11 PDT 1996
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In article <511sj1$le6@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Rich Graves wrote:

>
>But according to you, it's libel to call you a Nazi (see your post "It is
>libel to call me Nazi"). 

Yes because I am not. 

>
>I find this disjunction strange. Can people speak freely, or can't they?
>Is there some fine legal point I'm missing that distinguishes
>"megalomaniac and dishonest Yids" from "you fucking Nazi"? Not that I'm a
>fan of such anguage myself.
>
To call somebody a nazi is much more severe than just critisizing the 
character of some ethnic groups in general terms. 
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 10 19:07:02 PDT 1996
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> Today the problem is all those people from the ethnic minorities from
>> the third world who have "invaded" my country. 
>
>According to my records the "invasion" in terms of percentage of
>inhabitans does consist of
>
>         Turkish    0.5 %
>         Swedish    0.4 %
>         British    0.2 %
>         Yusoslavia 0.2 %
>         ----------------
>         Sum        1.3 % of inhabitants do not have Danish citizenship
>         ================

Hey why have you omitted all the Pakistanis, Arabs, Iranians, Vietnamese, 
Africans etc. And what about all thousands of third worlders that each
year are granted citizensship? What about all the adopted children from
the third world and the children of mixed ancestry? 
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 11 15:01:37 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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In article <50qnn3$ktn@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>       This is such utter nonsense that it is unbeleivabler.  You have openly 
>stated that you are a white supremacist.  You have openly supported white 
>supremacist and neo-nazi organizations.  Your own program calls for depriving 
>people of citizneship based on race and expelling them from their own country.  If 
>you believe in "democracy" the moon is made of green cheese.
>
 I can see no reason for changing the Danish political and social system 
just because I want to do away the horrible multiethnic society. 
--
Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 11 17:08:05 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article <5163rt$1l1u@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk says...
>
>>You cannot make the expression of political thoughts a crime because it does
>>not have a criminal character.
>
>Sure it does.  In Germany it's criminal to spread Nazi propaganda.  That 
>isn't a thought crime, its a crime against certain acts.
>
Well I remember that Pinochet called marxism criminal and had marxists
arrested only because they were outspoken marxists. My question to you is:

 Do you consider marxists criminals just because Pinochet and the Chilean
government said so? Why should I consider nazism criminal just because the
German government with it's silly "laws" say so? I say that you cannot
make political ideas criminal just because you are strongly opposed to them.
You can oppress political ideas but you cannot make people believe that
they are "criminal". Most people easily understand the difference between 
political suppression and crime prevention.

>Whether or not you think it *should* be a crime is another matter.
>
>> Everyone, also the criminals, knows what 
>>crime is and every honest person will tell you that Lauck has never done 
>>anything criminal.
>
>Wrong.  He has broken the law.  That makes him a criminal.

 What do you think about all the "witches" and heretics that the Christian
churches burned at stake some centuries ago? Were they criminals or something
similiar just because the church claimed so? Or Jesus Christ, for that 
matter, who was sentenced to death by the Roman authorities. Had he done
some crimes that might have justified his crucifixion? And what about
unfaithful women that are stoned or flocked in Islamic fundamentalist
countries like Iran? What do you think about Salman Rushdie? Is he a 
dangerous criminal just because the Iranian government says so? He had 
broken Iranian "laws" by defaming the Islamic religion the same way that 
revisionists in Germany and France have broken the "laws" by defaming 
the holocaust cult.

>
>You apparently still have problems with the English language.  The 
>definitions of these terms are very clear.
>
>If you wish to argue the merits of greater free speech (Germany is one of the 
>most liberal states in the world in this regard, by the way), you can do so. 
>To tie it to the case of this insignificant speck is weird.

I think that the Iranian goverment may have something similiar to say about
Salman Rushdie. 
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 12 11:33:39 PDT 1996
Article: 85781 of soc.culture.german
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Hans Kristian Ruud  wrote:
>In , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
>writes:
>
>> According to e.g. Arthur de Gobineau there are no pure races only various
>> degrees of relative purity.
>
>Arthur de Gobineau was a crank, who only National Bocialists take seriously.
>
But his contemporaries took him seriously years before Hitler was born.
He was in particular popular among the Germans. He is called the father
of racialism.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 09:39:11 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article <32374259.5C2F@novia.net>, Craig Thomas Reisse wrote:
>Scott Erb wrote:
>> 
>> In article , olk@login.dknet.dk says...
>> 
>> >You cannot make the expression of political thoughts a crime because it does
>> >not have a criminal character.
>> 
>> Sure it does.  In Germany it's criminal to spread Nazi propaganda.  That
>> isn't a thought crime, its a crime against certain acts.
>
>In addition to propaganda publications and paraphanalia, Lauck's 
>"mail-order warehouse" for neo-Nazis also had German language manuals for 
>making bombs and terrorist devises.  

Do you have any evidence? If it is so why was it not been mentioned by the
courts?

>> 
>> Whether or not you think it *should* be a crime is another matter.
>> 
>> > Everyone, also the criminals, knows what
>> >crime is and every honest person will tell you that Lauck has never done
>> >anything criminal.
>> 
>> Wrong.  He has broken the law.  That makes him a criminal.
>
>Only a white racist like Kreiberg could believe that Lauck should be 
>immune from prosecution in Europe and North America.

  I do not think that I can be called a racist. A racist is defined as 
somebody who regards his own race as superior and thinks that one race
has the right to rule other races. I certainly do not want to rule other
races.  And I speak very little about racial superiority.

>
>And all of us know that Kreiberg is paranoid about "an invasion of Third 
>World Peoples of Color" even though there the number of such immigrants 
>in Denmark is statistically insignificant.  

 According to the Danish Ministry of Internal Affairs at least 4 per cent  
of the population are foreign citizens. At least 50000 thousand have acquired
Danish citizensship the last two decades. This makes another per cent. E.g. 
in Copenhagen app. 10 per cent are foreign citizens, but among the 
schoolchildren every forth child is foreign. This is because in particular 
the Muslims get much more children than the Danes. 

>I do remember seeing a story 
>on DW-tv's "Drehscheibe Europa" on the Eskimos of Kopenhagen -- ah, a 
>legacy of Leif Ericson and Denmark's past as a minor colonial power.  Is 
>Ole paranoid about Eskimos?
>
There are only very few Eskimos. The total population of Greenland is 
49502 (in 1975).
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 09:39:13 PDT 1996
Article: 65029 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>
>You are deluding yourself, on top of that, if you think that what Lauck was
>writing was "antagonistic to the German political establishment". It is 
>considered despiccable by an overwhelming majority among the German
>citizens. 

Because something is depicable does not necessarily make it criminal too.

>Don't ever forget that Nazi shitheads are just a tiny minority
>in Germany AND in other European states. 

Then why do you fear them so much?
>
>>A lot of the historical German nazis and Soviet communists may have 
>>committed acts that can be regarded criminal, but Lauck has not. He has 
>>only committed thought-"crimes". Politically he is an absolute nonentity 
>>with no influence on any real events at all. Right now he has attained the
>>status of political prisoner which I am sure must have boosted his self-
>>esteem.
>
>Oh yeah? A non-entity, without any real influence? Bull! 
>He called for driving out immigrants and seekers of political asylum
>by force - some people listened. His writings were incitement to
>violence and were successfull in that. No real influence my foot!
>
 Come on. You are trying to make an insignificant number of nazis scapegoats
for the widespread discontent with the consequences of the German 
immigration and refugee laws. In Denmark there have been similiar 
(minor) incidents (e.g. Kalundborg July 1985), but there have never been 
made cowardly attempts of blaming the the discontent leading to such attacks 
on the "nazis". In Denmark the massmedia just said that the local 
population did not want all these refugees in their community and
therefore reacted spotaneous that way. Why are you Germans too cowardly
to admit the same?
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 09:39:13 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>
>Ole, you can read. Go back and look at Mr. Eisenberger's posting. He quoted
>a Danish(?) newspapershowing that some of Lauck's 
>activities were under investigation by the DANISH judiciary. 

So? Which activities? As he is not being able to speak one word in Danish he
would hardly have been able to participate in any significant activities 
in Denmark. Furthermore there is already an active naziparty in Denmark. 
Why would he have tried to compete with them? What would he have been able 
to do without their help, and remember that no Danish nazis were arrested, 
allthough he was together with them all the time. The Danish nazis are not 
subordinated any foreign nazis. All activities by Lauck in Denmark must have 
been sanctioned by the Danish nazis.

>He was
>arrested in Denmark because of THAT, not as the result of "German
>pressure". 

Nonsens. Show me exactly in which way he might have broken the law during 
his stay in Denmark or shut up.

>
>Thiess Christopherson is a prime counter-example. He was never
>indicted in Denmark, despite protests from Germany, because
>he never broke Danish law. His writings stayed sagely inside the
>bounds prescribed by Danish law and thus he was never extradicted
>to Germany, although the German judiciary would have just LOVED
>to lay hands on him. 
>
Yeah I bet that you witch hunting Germans would have loved that. You never 
get tired of persecuting scapegoats.

>Don't try to distort facts, people will notice. And by the way: the
>German judiciary has attempted to have Lauck extradicted from the
>US - to no avail of course. But they made the point of trying 
>nevertheless.
>
Yes, here we have an important point. The Danes have the right to as much
freedom of speech as the Americans. Remember the Danes had as little
to do with nazism as the Americans. 

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 09:39:14 PDT 1996
Article: 65031 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <517kr0$6re@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, Ken McVay OBC wrote:
>
>Most people certainly do understand the difference, Mr.
>Kreiberg, although you aren't one of them. You, after all, are
>a man who supports the right of the Danish state to arrest and
>forcibly deport Danish citizens.

 You are lying and distorting. I could not even dream of thinking of 
deporting Danish citizens. I have only spoken of cancelling certain
citizenship which should not have been granted in the first place. 
When no longer being Danish citizens they will be asked to leave the
country. Furthermore I could never dream of advocating the arrest of somebody
who leave the country within a certain respite. Only people who refuse
to leave the country after they have lost legal rights to stay, will be 
interned until they change their mind and leave.
>
>Will you take them to concentration camps first, and make
>_them_ believe they are "criminal," Mr. Kreiberg? After all,
>being Jewish isn't against the law in Denmark these days, is
>it? You, however, using "volunteer police," will arrest,
>detain, and deport these Jewish Danes, if, God forbid, your
>flavour of creep ever gains power in Denmark.
>
 You are grossly lying again. I have never spoken about deporting the Danish 
Jews. Even the leaders of the German occupation administration in Denmark 
during WW2, Renthe Fink and later Dr. Werner Best, stated that there was not 
a Jewish problem in Denmark and recommended the German government not to 
take any action against the Danish Jews. There have always been less than 
ten thousand Jews in Denmark. Furthermore I have only talked about cancelling
certain citizensships issued after 1965. Most Danish Jews have been much 
longer in the country.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 13 17:53:53 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <51c401$bir@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, Ken McVay OBC wrote:
>In article , 
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>
>>When no longer being Danish citizens they will be asked to leave the
>>country. Furthermore I could never dream of advocating the arrest of somebody
>>who leave the country within a certain respite. Only people who refuse
>>to leave the country after they have lost legal rights to stay, will be 
>>interned until they change their mind and leave.
>
>Tranlation: When Danish citizens refuse to leave Denmark, I
>will arrest them.

 When they no longer are Danish citizens, they will be treated as illegal
aliens.

>
>Not surprising, considering that, on April 14, you said:
>
>"Therefore they should keep all their social rights and live
>normal lives until they will be picked up late at night... you
>just pick somebody out here and there and thereby put pressure
>on the rest in order to make them cooperate. They will of
>course all be notified of the expiry of the respite and the
>consequences of not cooperating (that is transfer tdo
>temporary transit-camps) in good time."
>
>...which translates into "We will employ terror to strip
>Danish citizens of their rights, and then force them to leave
>their own home."
>

 Terror? Is it terror to motivate illegal aliens to leave? Does the USA
exercise "terror" by forcing thousands of illegal aliens every month to 
leave the country?

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 14 16:27:51 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:

>Taking into consideration some of your past comments (below), Mr.
>Kreiberg, it is self-evident that you indeed are a racist as well as a
>Nazi. No suprises there. 
 ^^^^
How do you dare call me a Nazi. You do not seem to understand what nazism
was. This article is crossposted to soc.culture.german, and I think that
there will be Germans there that may be able to confirm the following: 

1. Hitler said several times that national socialism knows only Germany
and is not meant for export. 

2. Nazism was harsh dictatorship and social darwinism. I have never 
advocated things like that. Without the leadership principle 
(Fuehrerprinzip) you cannot have nazism or fascism, and I have never 
advocated such things. So simple is that. 

3. The nazis had some strange ideas about Slavs not being "Aryan" allthough 
Russians and Poles seem to be as White as Germans. This was not based on
true racialism but rather on a perversion of racialism in order to support
German chauvinism. In my opinion nazism was an extreme expression of German
chauvinism. 

4. I remember once one of the leaders of the Danish resistence and former 
member of the parliament for the social democracy, Frode Jacobsen was asked 
by the Danish television of his opinion about nazism and what caused it. 
He answered that in order to understand nazism and it's causes one has to 
understand the German defeat in WW1 and the Versailles Treaty. Frode 
Jacobsen was a M.A. in German language and was well versed in German culture 
and history.

  You can now understand that even if I wanted I would not be able to 
identify myself with nazism. My problem is the present day with the 
immigration from the third world and the multiethnic society. I leave the 
problem of nazism to the Germans.

  My views on the meaning of the ethnic differences are thus not based 
on German chauvinism but on the experience of history, common sense, logic
and the eternal laws of nature.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep 15 16:04:06 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <3239FEA4.DFF@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
>
>So, Mr Kreiberg, what are the objective definitions you will use to decide
>who gets stripped of their citizenship?  
>
Everyone that ethnically and culturally are a part of Europe will keep
their citizensship. All others will not. They will have their citizenships 
converted into temporary B-citizensships that expire as soon as they leave 
the country and not a day before. 

For the slow-witted I will emphasize that e.g. former American citizens that 
obviously appear to originate from Europeans will be treated accordingly. 
Former American citizens that have acquired Danish citizensship but appear 
e.g. African or part African will be regarded as Africans or third worlders. 

>Who decides these criteria? 

A board of ethnic Danes.


[I have set the followsups to alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.
europe]
--
Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep 15 16:19:13 PDT 1996
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In article <3239FEA4.DFF@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
>
>So, Mr Kreiberg, what are the objective definitions you will use to decide
>who gets stripped of their citizenship?  
>
Everyone that ethnically and culturally are a part of Europe will keep
their citizensship. All others will not. They will have their citizenships 
converted into temporary B-citizensships that expire as soon as they leave 
the country and not a day before. 

For the slow-witted I will emphasize that e.g. former American citizens that 
obviously appear to originate from Europeans will be treated accordingly. 
Former American citizens that have acquired Danish citizensship but appear 
e.g. African or part African will be regarded as Africans or third worlders. 

>Who decides these criteria? 

A board of ethnic Danes.


[I have set the followsups to alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.
europe]
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 16 21:37:13 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>Then please explain, Mr. Kreiberg, the existance of the Austrian Nazi
>Party? And most especially, the support it received from the Nazi Party in
>Germany?

Now you expose your ignorance. The Austrians are Germans. The only reason
why Austria and Germany were not united after WW1 was that this was not
allowed according to the Versailles Treaty. There were strong movements
in both Germany and Austria that worked for the union of these two German 
people. In fact Hitler, the German chauvinist, was an Austrian. When Germany 
made "Anscluss" with Austria in 1938 the Germans were greated by most 
Austrians. On the other hand Germany was regarded the enemy by the 
populations of those Non-German countries invaded by the Germans and here
nazism was  regarded the ideology of the enemy. Remember Hitler was a 
nationalist and did not try to export his German nationalistic ideology to 
people that were not German. He tried to expand the German territory to 
the East but he did not try to make nazis out of the population there. 
Neither did he try to make nazis out of the population in the occupied 
Western European countries.

>
>> 2. Nazism was harsh dictatorship and social darwinism. I have never 
>> advocated things like that.
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, you have claimed you are "looking for" a "humane and
>unfanatic racialism." [1] Yet you also say that to "stop and reverse the
>immigration" one "must be willing to pay some human costs." [2] The
>dichotomy here is self-evident, yes? Obviously, one might think your
>professing to look for "humane and unfanatic racialism" is nothing but
>vapid and placatory disinformation as to your real intent: the ethnic
>cleansing of Denmark by whatever means are necessary. 

 I strongly believe that this goal can be attained in a humane manner 
without bloodshed.

>
>Additionally, evidence of your sinister intent is only reinforced by your
>comment regarding those who refuse to placidly be stripped of rightful
>Danish citizenship and be deported to the third-world: "You just pick
>somebody out here and there and thereby put pressure on the rest in order
>to make them cooperate." [3]
>
>Such blatant acts of intimidation and terrorism are a hallmark of "harsh
>dictatorships." 

 Who says so?  Are there some political natural law saying that democracies
cannot work for the creation of ethnic homogeity. I say that democracy works
best in homogenous populations and that multi-ethnicism is a threat to 
democracy. Democracy needs societies with a certain degree of coherence and 
consensus in order to work.

>
>Furthermore, Mr. Kreiberg, evidence of the "social darwinism" in your
>views and writings can be found by such statement as: "Ayrans stand at the
>pinnacle of human evolution" [4] and the "first law of nature is
>self-preservation. That also applies to ethnic groups and nations." [5]
>
>> Without the leadership principle (Fuehrerprinzip) you cannot have nazism or 
>> fascism, and I have never advocated such things. So simple is that. 
>
>Yet, Mr. Kreiberg, you have stated that your "political goal is to create
>a ethnic homogenous society." 

Exactly. However, because I want ethnic homogeneity, why would I want 
dictatorship?

[6] You, by your own admission, Mr.
>Kreiberg, have political goals you are trying to further. You have had a
>letter published in a Danish newspaper advocating your political goal,
>yes? 

It was in the Danish newsgroup dk.politik, but I have had several letters
published in Danish newspaper about the many aspects of the immigration- and 
refugee problem.

>Mr. Kreiberg, given all this, one might think your professing a lack
>of "Fuehrerprinzip" is nothing but vapid and placatory disinformation.
>This becomes more evident when considering that you have taken it upon
>yourself to convince others to support your racist and discriminatory
>ideals.
>
>[snip]
>
>> You can now understand that even if I wanted I would not be able to 
>> identify myself with nazism. My problem is the present day with the 
>> immigration from the third world and the multiethnic society. I leave the 
>> problem of nazism to the Germans.
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, you have written that you "symphatize with other White
>patriots in other countries. 

 Because I symphatize with them, it does not mean that I want to adopt their
ideology. During WW2, England and the USA symphatized with the Soviet Union 
without having much symphaty with it's ideology.

>In a new racial world order it will be
>necessary that all White nations are allied." [3] Given that, for
>instance, many of these "White patriots" espouse Nazism, especially groups
>such as the National Alliance, which I believe, you said of: "To me they
>are simply  Americans who love their country and race" [7] and whom you
>dishonestly tried to downplay their embracement of Nazism by claiming that
>they are "somewhat inspired by national socialism" 

 Being Americans they can only be inspired by nazism. If they really want
to get into the American mainstream they will have to create an ideology
based on American culture and heritage. 

>[8]; I find it hard to
>see how you have not identified yourself with Nazism. In fact, Mr.
>Kreiberg, based on what you have espoused, I have come to a very different
>conclusion than you. You have been clearly influenced by Nasizm. In fact,
>it is obvious, despite your futile denials, that you have _embraced_ much
>of the ideology of National Socialism. You, sir, are a Nazi. 


 The nazis did not invent racialism. It was already there. They just 
distorted it in order to make it fit into their *German* chauvinism. 

 Because I am not German I do not have any guilt complex because of nazism.
You can make me angry or insulted by calling me a nazi but never guilty.
You are not able to use this epithet to manipulate me in any way. Leave that 
for the Germans. I think that they love to feel guilty in all eternity
because of WW2 and all that.

>
>> My views on the meaning of the ethnic differences are thus not based 
>> on German chauvinism but on the experience of history, common sense, logic
>> and the eternal laws of nature.
>
>Again, Mr. Kreiberg, given the above, I find it far more plausible that
>your racism has been colored by Nazism, which, after all, was primarily
>racial fascism. You, sir, are also a racist.
>
>And finally, Mr. Kreiberg, given the above, and your disingenous behavior
>in not acknowledging what you have written, and the implications your
>writings clearly espouse, I can only conclude that you are also a liar. 
>
To me nazism was still a product of the German authoritarian character, like 
the present day acceptance of political prisoners in Germany is a product of
the same German character. The Germans will remain Germans, and they will
continue to persecute and imprison each other. That is the way they are.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 12:25:18 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>
>The Kreiberg says: 
>"I'm not a Nazi, because Adolf Hitler said that Nazism was only for Germans. 
>I am not a German, I'm Danish - so I conclude that I cannot possibly be a
>Nazi". 
>
>- That's what I understood Mr. Kreiberg's utterings to mean at least.
>
>Everybody can see that Hitler's opinion was likely voiced in a
>different context and since when should we take anything Adolf
>Hitler said at face value? Kreiberg believes A. Hitler - one could
>conclude that, depending how far that belief goes, he is one of 
>Hitler's followers - ie. a NAZI for all practical matters.
>
Holger you are rather slow-witted. Try to look at some of the other posters
that all point out my wish for ethnic homogeneity. This is what I want.
I want ethnic homogeneity and not nazism. Is that so difficult to understand? 
You Germans can have your nazism and all your silly guilt as much as you want,
as long as I can have my ethnic homogeneity, isn't this a fair deal?
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 13:08:45 PDT 1996
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In article <51kvn5$1c44@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote:
>
>If one really wants to see where racism and the like leads, read the history 
>of Germany.  If ever another state like Nazi Germany arose, it would suffer 
>the same fate -- or worse.

 Nonsens nazism was first and foremost German chauvinism. Racism was just 
utilized in order to justify German chauvinism and megalomania. The reason, 
why WW2 started, was because Hitler invaded Non-German countries like Poland.
If Germany had stayed within it's own border, England and France would never
have declared war. England and France would never have started a war of 
solely ideological reasons. WW2 was not an ideological war. 

  When Nazi-Germany had lost the war, the anti-racists took the opportunity
to utilize the defeat and the real and alleged German atrocity in their 
propaganda against general racialism. Like there are many kind of socialists
ranging from Scandinavian social democrats to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, 
there are similiarly many kind of racialism. There no natural law saying that 
racialism have to be as extreme as the nazi-German chavinistic and 
megalomaniac version. I think that all sorts of fanatics are much more 
dangerous than their ideas. Blame atrocities and wars on people not on ideas.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 13:35:25 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Was Gerhard Lauck Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, for your pleasure, I shall quote the pertinent part of an.
>article from dejanews. It contained a Reuter's bulletin which said,
>among other things: 
>
>   While Germany strictly bans the use or publication of Nazi
>   symbols and ideology, Denmark, the United States, Canada and
>   other countries have more liberal laws which have been exploited
>   by neo-Nazis to publish beyond the reach of German police.
>*  But the Roskilde court said Lauck's written and verbal
>*  attacks on Jews violated Danish anti-racism laws, making it
>*  possible to extradite him.
>
>
 He still did not break any Danish laws while being within Danish 
jurisdiction. He was not convicted for anything by the Danish courts. 
However in order to be extradited from Denmark you must have commited 
something that would be illegal in Denmark too. The Danish courts just had
to determine whether or not it was legal to extradite him to Germany. He was 
only arrested and extradited because Germany demanded so. 

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 17:50:03 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, for your pleasure, I shall quote the pertinent part of an.
>article from dejanews. It contained a Reuter's bulletin which said,
>among other things: 
>
>   While Germany strictly bans the use or publication of Nazi
>   symbols and ideology, Denmark, the United States, Canada and
>   other countries have more liberal laws which have been exploited
>   by neo-Nazis to publish beyond the reach of German police.
>*  But the Roskilde court said Lauck's written and verbal
>*  attacks on Jews violated Danish anti-racism laws, making it
>*  possible to extradite him.
>
>
 He still did not break any Danish laws while being within Danish 
jurisdiction. He was not convicted for anything by the Danish courts. 
However in order to be extradited from Denmark you must have commited 
something that would be illegal in Denmark too. The Danish courts just had
to determine whether or not it was legal to extradite him to Germany. He was 
only arrested and extradited because Germany demanded so. 

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 17:50:05 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
> 
># I want ethnic homogeneity and not nazism. Is that so difficult
># to understand? 
> 
>Yes. The fact that you support policies central to Nazism, while
>at the same time trying to distance yourself from Nazism, is
>difficult to understand - unless one assumes you're lying.

 A central policy to nazism was to combat unemployment. Are all people that
find it important to combat unemployment "nazis"? The first law that the 
German nazis made after they had come to power was a law for the protection
of animals. Does that mean that all those people that are members of 
associations for protection of animals are "nazis"? I could go on like that 
for ever. 

 I am not German and I was born years after the war, and I do not feel that 
I have anything to do with this period. I just know that homogenous 
societies are better than heterogenous, and that every decent person should 
be in favour of ethnic homogeneity. I really do not care what Hitler, 
Djengis Khan or some other historical bogey men had to say about that matter. 

> 
># You Germans can have your nazism and all your silly guilt as much
># as you want, as long as I can have my ethnic homogeneity, isn't
># this a fair deal?
> 
>It's certainly not fair to those you plan to mistreat and deport
>because you don't like the color of their skin.

 Hey who says that those people people who have to go to those parts of the 
world where they naturally belong, not are going to be treated fair. I am 
certainly not going to mistreat anybody. I just want to see a few errors 
corrected. That is all.

 Take a look at the Jews. They think that they naturally belong in the Middle 
East in a place they call Israel. Millions of Jews have gone to live in that 
place the last five decades. 

Another thing is whether the aboriginal population got a fair treatment
by the Jewish conquerors. Ask some of those hundred thousands of 
Palestinians and their descendants that still live in miserable refugee
camps in the neighbouring Arab countries. I do not think that you will
find many here that think that they were treated fair by the Jews during the
ethnic cleansing that was caused by the Deir Yassin massacre. Do not forget
that one of the greatest ethnic cleansings in the this century took place 
in Palestine.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 17 17:55:33 PDT 1996
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
> 
># I want ethnic homogeneity and not nazism. Is that so difficult
># to understand? 
> 
>Yes. The fact that you support policies central to Nazism, while
>at the same time trying to distance yourself from Nazism, is
>difficult to understand - unless one assumes you're lying.

 A central policy to nazism was to combat unemployment. Are all people that
find it important to combat unemployment "nazis"? The first law that the 
German nazis made after they had come to power was a law for the protection
of animals. Does that mean that all those people that are members of 
associations for protection of animals are "nazis"? I could go on like that 
for ever. 

 I am not German and I was born years after the war, and I do not feel that 
I have anything to do with this period. I just know that homogenous 
societies are better than heterogenous, and that every decent person should 
be in favour of ethnic homogeneity. I really do not care what Hitler, 
Djengis Khan or some other historical bogey men had to say about that matter. 

> 
># You Germans can have your nazism and all your silly guilt as much
># as you want, as long as I can have my ethnic homogeneity, isn't
># this a fair deal?
> 
>It's certainly not fair to those you plan to mistreat and deport
>because you don't like the color of their skin.

 Hey who says that those people people who have to go to those parts of the 
world where they naturally belong, not are going to be treated fair. I am 
certainly not going to mistreat anybody. I just want to see a few errors 
corrected. That is all.

 Take a look at the Jews. They think that they naturally belong in the Middle 
East in a place they call Israel. Millions of Jews have gone to live in that 
place the last five decades. 

Another thing is whether the aboriginal population got a fair treatment
by the Jewish conquerors. Ask some of those hundred thousands of 
Palestinians and their descendants that still live in miserable refugee
camps in the neighbouring Arab countries. I do not think that you will
find many here that think that they were treated fair by the Jews during the
ethnic cleansing that was caused by the Deir Yassin massacre. Do not forget
that one of the greatest ethnic cleansings in the this century took place 
in Palestine.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 18 09:13:25 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>> In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>> >
>> >Then please explain, Mr. Kreiberg, the existance of the Austrian Nazi
>> >Party? And most especially, the support it received from the Nazi Party in
>> >Germany?
>> 
>> Now you expose your ignorance....
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, Austria and Germany were seperate internationally
>recognoized contries _before_ the _Anschluss_. 
>
>>...The Austrians are Germans...
>
>And, Mr. Kreiberg, many Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc. are
>Anglos. Does this mean we are British? 
>
>Do you see the irrelevency of your specious arguments yet, Mr. Kreiberg? 
>
>Now, again, Mr. Kreiberg, please explain the existance of the Austrian
>Nazi Party? And most especially, the support it received from the Nazi
>Party in Germany?
>
As I have told you before there was a strong opinion in favour of a United
Austria and Germany. There were associations in both countries already in 
the 19th century working to unite these two German people. I think that many 
Austrians saw their fellow Austrian Adolph Hitler as the right man for the 
job.
>
>> >Furthermore, Mr. Kreiberg, evidence of the "social darwinism" in your
>> >views and writings can be found by such statement as: "Ayrans stand at the
>> >pinnacle of human evolution" [4] and the "first law of nature is
>> >self-preservation. That also applies to ethnic groups and nations." [5]
>> >
>> >> Without the leadership principle (Fuehrerprinzip) you cannot have
>nazism or 
>> >> fascism, and I have never advocated such things. So simple is that. 
>> >
>> >Yet, Mr. Kreiberg, you have stated that your "political goal is to create
>> >a ethnic homogenous society." 
>> 
>> Exactly. However, because I want ethnic homogeneity, why would I want 
>> dictatorship?
>
>"Fuehrerprinzip," Mr.Kreiberg.  You have claimed you cannot have Nazism
>without "Fuehrerprinzip," and that since you have evidenced no
>"Fuehrerprinzip" you cannot be accused of promulgating Nasism. 

 Well I do not believe in dictatorship or "Fuehrerprinzip".

>
>You are not England, the United States, or the Soviet Union in WWII, Mr.
>Kreiberg. You are a neo-Nazi "sympathizing" with other neo-Nazis and
>calling for a alliance of "White" (i.e. Nazi-like) nations. 
>
>> >In a new racial world order it will be
>> >necessary that all White nations are allied." [3] Given that, for
>> >instance, many of these "White patriots" espouse Nazism, especially groups
>> >such as the National Alliance, which I believe, you said of: "To me they
>> >are simply  Americans who love their country and race" [7] and whom you
>> >dishonestly tried to downplay their embracement of Nazism by claiming that
>> >they are "somewhat inspired by national socialism" 
>> 
>> Being Americans they can only be inspired by nazism. 
>
>No, Mr. Kreiberg, being bigoted racists and anti-Semites, they find solace
>on the evil doctrines of Natiol Socialism. That and they're into
>swastikas, leather, and hob-nailed boots.... 

Gee, really.

>Oh yeah, and repressed sexuality. 

Gee, repressed sexuality??! :-D I thought this was about racialism. You 
are not going to tell me that racialism has something to do with repressed
sexuality, are you? :-D  Like you are trying to make me believe that 
racialism always leads to dictatorship.
>
>> If they really want to get into the American mainstream they will have to 
>> create an ideology based on American culture and heritage. 
>
>That _wouldn't_ be Nazism then, Mr. Kreiberg.

Sure. Because nazism has nothing do with the American culture and heritage 
or the Danish culture and heritage for that matter. I think we are 
beginning to understand each other. Nazism is krautstuff. Face it.  

>
>> >[8]; I find it hard to
>> >see how you have not identified yourself with Nazism. In fact, Mr.
>> >Kreiberg, based on what you have espoused, I have come to a very different
>> >conclusion than you. You have been clearly influenced by Nasizm. In fact,
>> >it is obvious, despite your futile denials, that you have _embraced_ much
>> >of the ideology of National Socialism. You, sir, are a Nazi. 
>> 
>>  The nazis did not invent racialism. 
>
>Did I claim otherwise, Mr. Kreiberg? No. Nazism, however, _was_ steeped in
>racist doctrine and virulent anti-Semitism. That is undeniable. 
>
>> It was already there. They just distorted it in order to make it fit into 
>> their *German* chauvinism. 
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, German anti-Semitism evolved around 1870 from a non-racist
>to the racist doctrine that was eventually adopted by Hitler and Nazism. 
>
 In a distorted form very much inspired by Houston Stewart Chamberlain's
book, Grundlagen des 20. Jahrhunderts. 

>
>And to me, Mr. Kreiberg, you remain a racist Nazi liar. 
>
And to me you are remain a silly slanderer and mud slinger.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 18 15:16:17 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <51d4q7$9gc@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>       The difference -- which you refuse to recognize -- is that the 
>people who you are talking about are not "illegal immigrants."  They are 
>Danish citizens either by birth or because they obtained that citizenship 
>by legal means.  

The problem is that they have a Danish citizenship without being Danes or
closely related to the Danes.


>To arbitrarily 
>revoke such citizenship on the basis of ethnic origins is a violation of 
>their human and legal rights.  

 Then those laws that grant them those legal rights have do be repealed. 
Furthermore who says that the socalled human rights represent something
absolute or God given. If they do not fit into the political reality they
have to be modified accordingly or abandoned if necessary. 


--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 18 15:16:17 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>Is this your explination then Mr. Kreiberg? That because some Austrians
>and Germans (I note you above implicitly admit that Austria and Germany
>were _seperate_ countries) and Germans shared Hitler's racial-fascist
>ideology that this somehopw proves, as you claimed, that "national
>socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for export?"

In the twenties even the Austrian socialist party wanted a referendum about
a possible union between Austria and Germany. Austrian Hitler who said that
National socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for export regarded
Austria for a part of Germany. There is nothing strange in that. The 
Austrians are Germans. Why do you want to quibble about that? 

On the other hand Hitler did not regard Frenchmen, Danes, Poles etc as 
Germans, because they simply are not Germans. Is that really so difficult
to understand?

>> 
>>  Well I do not believe in dictatorship or "Fuehrerprinzip".
>
>Then why do you promulgate it, Mr. Kreiberg? The contradiction between
>your words is damning, Mr. Kreiberg. 

I have never promulgated that. This a pure lie from you. I believe that it
is possible to create ethnic homogeneity within democracy. I do not have
any problems with domocracy. Of course you can point out a lot weaknesses 
in democracy, but you can easily do the same with dictatorship. My problem 
is the multiethnic society and the multiracial ideology - not democracy.
Is that so difficult to understand?

>
>"...I always wanted to get new members onto the rolls of some
>organization, to get them thinking in terms of race and Nazism, And I
>confess I also got a certain enjoyment from searching out people's
>psychological and inteelectual weaknesses and exploiting them for the sake
>of political training....The very concept of indoctrinenation seems
>negative to a democratic way of thinking, but our worldview it was a
>positive idea, much like the concept of propaganda. Both were means of
>spreading national socilism, which we saw as the highest end. The goal was
>to produce as many peole as possible who were ideologically 'fit,' which
>meant they identified 100 percent with the program of the Nazi Party and
>lived according to its goals...." (_Fu"hrer-Ex_, pp.238-239.)
>
>"...The whole thing took place in the dining room of [Gottfreid] Ku"ssel's
>unusual apartment, which was nothing short of a museum to Nazism and
>racial hatred....I had never seen anything like it in my life....Wax
>figures of black-clad SS men in full uniform with steel helmets greeted
>you as you came in the front door....Most of the figures wore the uniforms
>of the death's-head concentration camp guards, but posted in the various
>rooms were also Waffen SS men in camouflage uniforms and military field
>officers....Ku"ssel admired Mengele for his experiments, widely condemmed
>as the most betial in the history of medicine, to 'produce Aryan
>chracteristics' in Jews....IN his mind, Mengele should have won the Nobel
>Prize....In a guest room he had another old-fashioned, simple bed, and a
>big Nazi flag on the wall....Finally when you got to his dining room, you
>felt like you'd emerged from the barracks into a general's headquarters.
>There was a long, polished oak table surrounded by high-backed chairs and
>a swastika flag on a pole in the corner...." (Ibid. pp.248-239.)
>
Hm these Krauts have always been a little weird, haven't they. ;-)
>
>> >Oh yeah, and repressed sexuality. 
>> 
>> Gee, repressed sexuality??! :-D I thought this was about racialism. You 
>> are not going to tell me that racialism has something to do with repressed
>> sexuality, are you? :-D  
>
>Hey, Mr. Kreiberg, _you_ explain the reason for all those Ayran hunks in
>tight leather on Nazi posters! };-> 

Yeah they were real macho guys. ;-)

>
>> ...Like you are trying to make me believe that  racialism always leads to 
>> dictatorship.
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, I'm not trying to _make_ you do anything. I'm simply
>pointing out that your "arguments" are nothing more than lame
>rationalizations for you choosing to be a racist and a Nazi and
>promulgating Nazi ideals. 
>
Why do you keep repeating your slander? I am not a nazi. Only Germans can 
be genuine nazis.


>> >> If they really want to get into the American mainstream they will have to 
>> >> create an ideology based on American culture and heritage. 
>> >
>> >That _wouldn't_ be Nazism then, Mr. Kreiberg.
>> 
>> Sure. Because nazism has nothing do with the American culture and heritage 
>> or the Danish culture and heritage for that matter. I think we are 
>> beginning to understand each other. Nazism is krautstuff. Face it. 
>
>Mr. Kreiberg, you sure do seem to like logical fallacies. Please explain
>the existance of the American Nazi Party and its role in America. 

 It is an extreme small party with a few thosands members, and it has 
certainly not been even close to the American mainstream. They are just
copycats. However many American descend from Germans. E.g. Gerhard Lauck
claims that his parents immigrated to the USA from Germany.
>
>> >And to me, Mr. Kreiberg, you remain a racist Nazi liar. 
>
>> And to me you are remain a silly slanderer and mud slinger.
>
>Ah, but you see, Mr. Kreiberg, I've shown repeatedly, by your own words,
>that you _are_ a racist, a Nazi, and a liar. 
>
>If you don't like it, sue me. Or stop acting like a racist Nazi liar. Not
>mention one possessing dubious logical and argumentative abilities. 
>
 There is no way that you can intimidate or manipulate me from being against 
the multiethnic society and the multiracial ideology. I am fully aware that
you antiracists always try to smear your opponents with the epithet "nazi".
This may work with the Germans who has a guilt complex because of their
nazi past. I do not have any guilt complex on behalf of the Germans.

--
Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 18 18:21:17 PDT 1996
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>>In article , Holger Skok
>wrote:
>
>Sorry, Mr. Kreiberg, you cannot have that. I am quite convinced that the Danish
>people are too smart to fall for the kind of arguments you use to justify
>your political aims. Thus, unless you aim for a Putsch, Denmark will never
>become "ethnically pure" like you want it to, because that aim will never
>find a majority.

A recent opinion poll in Denmark showed that 72 per cent did not want the 
multi-ethnic society in the first place. 

>
>Concerning the label one might want to slap on your political ideas, let
>me just remind you (and other readers) of recent extensive quotings
>from your very own postings which Ken McVay (sp?) has posted. They
>show pretty clearly, that the government you advocate would not 
>care about legality (you'd like to use force and threats to "convince"
>those you consider racially impure to leave Denmark), you don't care
>about human rights (depriving people of their citizenship against their
>will), your ideas about society are based on a strange and vapourous 
>concept of race and racial superiority.

 You have misunderstood something. There will be created a legal foundation 
that makes the creation of ethnic homogeneity legally possible before 
anything else are done. Laws etc. that may stand in the way will be 
legally repealed. This of course demands that I have a majority of the 
votes. I will then have to wait for that.
>
>Taken together, there are enough similarities between your ideas and
>those promulgated by the NSDAP to justify calling you a Danish Neo-Nazi.
>Not that the lable would fit exactly - there might be some differences,
>but I consider them insignificant. 
>
 You do not seem really to understand the authoritarian and German 
chauvinistic nature of national socialism. I am sorry to state that national 
socialism is not an workable option in Denmark. You just cannot sell 
national socialism to the Danes. It just taste too much of Kraut :-) .  
Furthermore the Danish democracy is very old and well established and have 
no resemblance with the one of the Weimar republic. It would be silly even
to consider doing it away.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 19 07:41:25 PDT 1996
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
># I am certainly not going to mistreat anybody. I just want
># to see a few errors corrected. That is all.
>
>Is that so...

Yes it was a fatal error in the first place to turn e.g. the Scandinavian 
countries into multi-ethnic societies. Multiethnic societies do not work
and multiracialism sucks. Just take a look around in the world. Does
places like Cypruss, Sri Lanka, Sudan Israel/Palestine etc. ring a bell? 
>
>
>
> From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
> Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 20:58:14 +0100
>
>Danish citizens would of course not be deported. However some
>people will lose their Danish citizenship because they no longer
>qualify ethnically. Having lost their citizenship and not been
>granted a residence permit they will have their status changed to
>illegal aliens and then treated accordingly.
>
> From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:09:43 +0100
>
>Nonsens. However, these camps are supposed to inspire it's inmates
>to leave the country as quick as possible. Therefore they should of
>course not be too attractive.
>
>
>
>
This quotes have been taken out of their original context and have got a 
new meaning. All the moderating factors have been omitted.
--
Ole Kreiberg

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 19 07:41:26 PDT 1996
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In article <323F2532.268A@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
>>
>I see.  How long must they have been resident in Europe to be "ethically
>and culturally" European?  
>
 If you are not White you will never be regarded European no matter how
many years you have lived in Europe.
>
>Do Jews who have residing in Europe since the
>early days of the Roman Empire count?  
>
 The Jews in general are in the grey zone between white and coloured.
Some may appear white, others not. It is however obvious when you watch
the Jewish population in Israel that they resemble rather those people
among whom they lived in the Diaspora than they resemble each other. It
is obvious that there must have been a heavy inmixture through the many
centuries. The Jews in general can therefore not be regarded as a race.
>
>Where do you draw the line of
>deciding where Europe ends and everywhere else begins?  
>
The lines will follow Europe geographically. 
>
>Geographically
>or geologically?  Do Turks who have been living on the European side of
>the Dardenelles for several centuries count?  
>
 The Turks are clearly in the grey zone. Many of them may appear white, 
others not. Their Muslim religion and culture make them a part of the Middle 
East. The Turkish people and their culture rather seem to be a hybrid 
between Europe and the Middle East, and I think that this is the way the 
Turks understand themselves too.
>
>Do Spaniards who have some Moorish ancestors count?  
>
 Spaniards are clearly Europeans culturally and ethnically. There may have
been some Moorish inmixture here and there, but the Moors were mostly 
Berbers, and Berbers are classified as Mediterreanoids by ethnographers and 
thereby white, although they due to inmixture at least today may appear to 
be in the grey zone.
>
>
>How about white Europeans who have adopted Islam or Buddhism?  Can they 
>stay?
>
Yes

--
Ole Kreiberg

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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>> In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>I see. Do you also consider the Irish to be English? 

No the Irish have fought against the British for independence. The British
always looked down on the Irish and certainly did not regard them English.

>
>> On the other hand Hitler did not regard Frenchmen, Danes, Poles etc as 
>> Germans, because they simply are not Germans. Is that really so difficult
>> to understand?
>
>I see. Hitler said so and that is good enough for you? Thanks, Mr.
>Kreiberg. You may step down now.... 

 Have you ever heard somebody in his right mind claiming that Frenchmen, 
Danes, Poles etc are Germans. You do not seem to kmow much about the
ethnography of Europe.
 There is a Danish saying that goes like this: "From children and drunken
men you are going to hear the truth". You could add nazis in some cases. 

>
>> >>  Well I do not believe in dictatorship or "Fuehrerprinzip".
>> >
>> >Then why do you promulgate it, Mr. Kreiberg? The contradiction between
>> >your words is damning, Mr. Kreiberg. 
>> 
>> I have never promulgated that. This a pure lie from you....
>
>No, Mr. Kreiberg, it is not a lie by me. _You_ have convicted _yourself_
>with _your_ own words. Sorry about that you Nazi scumbag. 

So where and when have I advocated dictatorship and "Fuehrerprinzip". If you
are not able to prove that, you are a liar and a slanderer.
>
> It's just the Nazis, neo-Nazis, totalitarians, and racists that
>are bent. Germany has never had a monopoly of that. Just the unfortunate
>tradgedy to have been responsible for the Holocaust. 

 Yeah try to put all the blame for the German behaviour on nazism and never 
on the German character. The present day Germans think that they can make
the world believe that it was nazism that made the Germans the way they 
were during WW2, and that it was not the other way round, namely that the 
German character and mentality made nazism the way it was. I do not buy 
their crap. Nazism was an extreme expression of the German soul and nothing 
else.  As Rudolph Hess once said Hitler is Germany and Germany is Hitler.

>
>I am not attempting to "intimidate or manipulate" you, Mr. Kreiberg. I am
>simply evidencing, from your own words, that you are a racist, a Nazi, and
>a liar. 
>
Well I am not a nazi and a liar. On the other hand you are a liar and a 
slanderer.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 19 20:26:30 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <51ph8n$frk@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Matt  Giwer wrote:
>On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:05:40 +0100, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>> Nonsens nazism was first and foremost German chauvinism. Racism was just 
>>utilized in order to justify German chauvinism and megalomania. The reason, 
>>why WW2 started, was because Hitler invaded Non-German countries like Poland.
>>If Germany had stayed within it's own border, England and France would never
>>have declared war. England and France would never have started a war of 
>>solely ideological reasons. WW2 was not an ideological war. 
>
>       Germany only invaded Silesia which was part of Germany that had been given to
>Poland.  

Stalin and Hitler did in fact divide Poland between themselves. While Germany
made an enourmous crime against humanity because of that it did not matter
that the Soviet Union kept it's part of Poland and had it ethnic cleansed 
of Poles during the end of the war. It did not matter either that Stalin
invaded Finland in 1939. On the contrary the Soviet Union was rewarded
with a part of Finland which had been ethnic cleansed of Finns. 

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 20 19:09:44 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <3241B2F1.62A9@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
>
>Answer the question.  Do Jews who can trace their ancestory in Europe
>back at least two thousand years count or don't they?
>
 This is a difficult question and we have not really been considered the 
Jews yet among the Danish patriots. (The Danish nazis are excluded from
the patriotic enviroment). The answer to the question is therefore 
not ready yet. 

 However in Denmark there are only very few Jews, and if it will not be 
possible to prove that they are engaged in activities that can be considered 
detrimental to their host country I do not think that they will be 
considered a problem. 
>
>Answer the question.  Do Turks who have been living on the European side
>of the Dardenelles for several centuries count?
>
>> >Do Spaniards who have some Moorish ancestors count?
>
>Answer the question.  Do Spaniards who have some Moorsih ancestors count?
>
In southern Europe some people may fall into the grey zone between white
and coloured like the Turks and other Middle Eastern people. However the 
borderline has be to drawn somewhere and for obvious reasons it will be
most practical to use the Mediterranean as the border line. The border
between Greece and Turkey should mark where the Balkans ends and the 
Middle East starts ethnically and culturally. I know that this may not
be ideal and can be critisized. In the new racial world order all the
European nations will keep their full sovereignty. This will mean that the 
Northern European nations will not have the slightest influence on the 
ethnic policies and definitions of Southern European nations. This will 
be regarded as internal affairs of each country.
>
>> >How about white Europeans who have adopted Islam or Buddhism?  Can they
>> >stay?
>> >
>> Yes
>
>Why?  

Because they are white. Remember Christianity which is the predominant
religion in Europe is imported from outside of Europe too. Therefore 
religion in my opinion should not be a criteria.

>By adopting Islam or Buddhism they have adopted a "non-European"
>cultural (ie religious) identity.  Therefore, since they are not following
>a European cultural artifact, they are not white.
>
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 21 09:51:19 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article <32417AB7.6175@informatik.uni-koblenz.de>, Matthias Goos  wrote:

>Maybe you are not a nazi, cause you are not German, but you are a
>facist.
>Hitler try facism in Germany and called it nazism.
>Your idears of >ethnic homogeneity< a only the same new words that
>german newfacist use for only 50 years old word of "Reinheit der Rasse".
>Facism is the ideologie for worlwide intollerance against races,
>religions and opoines.

What do you know about fascism. I do not think that Mussolini had a racial 
program at all.  Fascism was first and foremost an authoritarian ideology.

Racialism is much older than fascism and nazism.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 21 09:51:21 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:

>He recently emailed me his proposals for ethnical cleansing of Denmark,
>which he claims to have posted elsewhere before - that's why I feel
>entitled to summarizing them here - and they don't sound like any
>extermination policy.
>
>He suggested paying DKr 70000.- to each "non-ethnic Dane" (whatever
>that means) for leaving the country. He suggested rounding up those
>who wouldn't go of their own accord and putting them into camps, where
>they would be kept until ready to leave.
>
>In that email at least, he did not suggest exterminating anybody. Nor did
>he allude to intimidating people. Of course, in practice, that would be
>necessary and he realizes that, according to postings Mark van Alstine
>quoted. But still, there is a difference between  the scale of things he
>suggests
>and what actually happened in Germany. Kreiberg is a racist, as he states
>himself with pride, but his ideas are still somewhat removed from 
>Nazism.  Their practical application would result in something closely
>resembling Nazi Germany, 

 Again there will be no dictatorship, militarism or attempts of conquering
territory from other white people (or coloured people for that matter). 
Without these features you hardly resemble nazi Germany at all. To some 
extent my views may resemble those of Le Pen and the Front National in
France or Deutsche Volksunion in Germany. In Germany and France where 
nazi-parties are prohibited these parties are legally participating in 
elections etc., which prove that they are definitely not nazis. I have
several copies of the National Zeitung, a newspaper of the Deutsche 
Volksunion, and from that I can understand that I share their much of their   
world view. 


>I think, but at least according to his statements,
>that's not exactly what he wants. I assume he imagines some sort of
>all-white paradise which would result from his ethnic cleansing. Lower
>crime rate (except for those crimes committed by the new Danish state),
>lower social security payments, because less people would have to be
>supported by the social security system (he seems to imply that
>non-ethnic Danes need social security more than ethnic Danes) and
>there's more, probably. Pie in the Sky, fantasies of a small and scared
>mind, but certainly NOT on the scale of Hitler and his cronies. 
>

 I think that we are beginning to understand each other.

>But who knows - that's probably what some people believed about Hitler
>BEFORE he came to power. 

 Hm, Hitler was quite clear in his political intentions from the beginning. 
Just read Mein Kampf that was written several years before he came to power. 

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 21 13:04:48 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Lionors  wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Ole Kreiberg wrote:
>
>I.e., you are a racist. Plain and simple. I would like to hear your
>justifications for an act that is no different from Hitler classing the
>Jews and Romanies (gypsies for the uninformed) as Undermensch. 

 I have not advocated declaring somebody Untermenschen (subhumans). I am 
only speaking about fundamental ethnic differences and of the importance of
preserving ethnic groups. The first law of nature is selfpreservation. This 
natural law also applies to nations and ethnic groups. Take a look on the 
Jews that have managed to preserve themselves as an ethnic groups for
almost two thousand years in various Gentile nations.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Sep 22 23:08:53 PDT 1996
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In article <32429C17.2781@itsa.ucsf.edu>, Brian Harmon  wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg wrote:
> 
>>  By the way I read in the 1994 that 2 million white Americans have left
>> California the preceding ten years. 
>
>And how many moved in?  Where did you read this, btw?

The difference between the whites that moved in and those that moved out
was a balance of 2 million in the favour of those that moved out. I read that
in the big American newspaper USA Today. I also read that most of those
whites moved to predominantly white states.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



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In article <51up5r$9h1@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, Tor Slettnes wrote:

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>
>White trash and economic discrepancies are generally much more lethal
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>and corrupting to a society than is any kind of racial or cultural
>adjustments.  Further, white trash culture just grows bigger over
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^
>time, while racial or cultural frictions disappear as people adjust to
>their new surroundings.
>

"White trash" seem to be the scapegoats of the antiracists. If I as a white 
person called black unskilled labourers "black trash" I would be vilified as
an evil racists or even a "nazi". Tor, people like you are antiracist 
racists. You turn your hatred toward your own race and think that that makes
you a kind of heroic and moralistic. And you have of course chosen the 
weakest among the whites to pick on.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 23 07:45:53 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <32438bbf.60626160@news>, pgroff wrote:
>>>
>I wonder then if you would consider Jews to be a detriment to their
>(host country??) if they engaged in activities that were considered
>the rights of all citizens of that country? I think that you have
>considered Jews to be a problem, why else would you use the term "host
>country" Jews that are citizens of any country don't consider
>themselves living in a "host country" but rather their country. 

 It is not really me that regard the Jews as a foreign nationality but 
rather the Jews themselves. Most Jews support the zionist idea that the
Jews are a distinct nationality whose homeland is Israel. The zionists
think that the Jews belong in Israel.

>Me thinks Mr. Kreiberg that you do indeed consider Jews a problem, you
>just are honest enough to tell those here what you plan on doing with
>them. 
>       
Concerning the few Danish Jews I think that they most likely will be 
treated individually in case some of them may act against their host 
country. Those who do so will be granted a one way ticket to Israel.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 25 07:39:06 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article <51q4n4$n1j@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>  
>>  The problem is that they have a Danish citizenship without being Danes or
>>  closely related to the Danes.
>
>       No.  The problem is that they have an established right under Danish 
>law.  The fact that they are citizens of Denmark makes them Danes.
>
Sure they are Danish citizens right now and will continue to be so until it 
will be made legal possible to cancel their citizensships. This legislation 
is our legal poltical goal. 

>
>       Yes.  All laws which give people basic rights 

 Things can be changed and will be changed. Of course it would be 
unrealistic to do it in a small country like Denmark alone. We count that
similiar movements will come to power in other white countries.

  No body think that the struglle will be won overnight. It may very well
continue far into the next century.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Sep 25 07:39:06 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Kreiberg's plans to deport Danish citizens
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OFrom: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)

In article <51lpnh$3m8@morgana.netcom.net.uk>, Angus M. McLellan wrote:
>
>The penalty, in the example Mr Kreiberg posits, would be that his Nazi
>Danish Government would be hauled in front of the European Court and
>lose promptly. I wonder whether the Danish taxpayer would enjoy
>funding a string of compensation payments as are likely to result from
>such cases.

I do not respect the authority of the EU, which I regard an occupational
power. The European court is thus just an instrument of the enemy. 

 The EU is heavily despised in Denmark and in particular among the
political left wing. After the referendum in 1992, Denmark nearly 
got off the hook. In 1993 there was a new referendum with 4 exceptions.
This let to heavy leftwinged upheavals and the Danish police had for the
first time in history to use firearms against enraged citizens.


--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 26 07:48:00 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Lionors  wrote:
>Well, if you think that sending people back to Burundi is treating them
>fairly then you obviously have a very strange idea of fair. Why do you
>think these people are in Europe in the first place? In most cases, it is
>to get away from people like /you/ in their home countries, Kreiberg.

 If they are fleeing because they are a part of ethnic problems in their own 
countries they are just importing those problems to their new countries. 
In that case the problems are just spread - not solved. It is not fair to 
inflict those problems on irrelavant nations.

>
>Besides, there is nothing fair about stripping from people citizenship
>they were born to, or have worked for. What if these people /only/ have
>Danish citizenship? I send you back to my earlier points. Again, Kreiberg,
>I challenge you to justify your policies to my satisfaction. 

 It is just a matter of undoing the mistake of granting them citizensship in
the first place. Doing so was not fair to the Danish people in the first
place.

>I doubt you
>are capable of doing it. After all, you are only correcting mistakes,
>aren't you? Ethnic homogeneity is not the same thing as Nazism, you are
>right, but throwing people out of their homes is wrong whatever words you
>use to justify it. Again, respond to me, if you dare.
>
 People will not getting throwned out of their houses. Only those that let
down the generous offer and refuse to cooperate with the legal authorities 
will be legally removed.


--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 26 09:02:17 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Lionors  wrote:
>I've noted down all my points so as to only send one post and not spam:
>
>First, I am now prepared to retract my earlier statement that you are a
>fascist. Having read more of your material, I acknowledge that you are
>not. However, I stand my ground on all other matters:
>
>Point 1: German chauvinism.
>
>I would contest your persistant insistance that Nazism is solely a German
>political movement. I believe that members of, for example, the British
>National Party would contest this strongly. And what about Italy? 

Italy had never been national socialist but was rather fascist. The Italian 
fascism did not have a particular racial policy.

> There is only one race: The human race.
>

This is a political doctrin based on wishful thinking.

>Point 11: Jews are not a race.
>
>Tecnically a point, but tell that to a Jew.
>
Well here we run into some contradictions. You have told me that you are a
Jew and that there is only one race: The human race. Please try to 
elaborate.

>Point 12: Europe will be defined geographically.
>
>Which is not ethnic in nature. What about Turks? What about people in
>North Africa who are ethnically European? Where do you draw the edge of
>Europe as you move eastwards into Asia? Define Europe geographically,
>please.
>
>Point 13: Turks in 'grey zone'.
>
>So, Turks aren't white. 

 Some Turks may appear clearly white while others don't.

>Considering they are ethnically almost identical
>to Greeks, this is a very strange assertion. Of course, I would /not/ tell
>a Greek he was genetically close to a Turk, but that is irrelevant. And as
>for Jews...interesting that the Nazis classed them as 'Asian and
>non-white'. Is that your grey zone? If not, then tell me exactly what you
>mean by that term.

I could care less about what the nazis did or did not. I am not responsible
for their mistakes.
>
>Point 14: Spaniards and moors.
>
>Hmm. Interesting. You seem to be selective about what you class as
>white. It suits you to class Spaniards with moorish (or Berber if you
>prefer) blood as white, so they are. It does not suit you to class a
>Frenchman with a few drops of Algerian blood as white, so he is not. It is
>obvious that you have a very subjective attitude to this.
>
>Point 15: Whites who take 'non-white' religions.
>
>Religion is an integral part of culture. How can you separate the two?
>Because you are not interested in culture, only in skin colour.

Christianity does not really mean much to Western people today.
>
>Point 16: 72% of Danes...
>
>Please cite your source better. Who did the poll? Where did they do it? Do
>you have any sample reasons why 72% of the poll sample don't like
>multicultural societies? Please clarify this.

It was made a couple of years ago by the big Danish newspaper BT. The 
European Union made a similiar poll with the same results.

>
>Finally, not a point, but would it be possible to get the material on your
>web page in English? It might be against your principles to provide it,
>but it would help you, in that less people are going to take things out of
>context.

 Some of the articles are merely translations of articles in English taken
>from  other websides. The reason why I have kept all the articles in Danish 
is that I do not want to compete with all the many websites in English. I 
just wanted to fill in a need for a patriotic website in Danish.

>
>I am prepared to enter into a reasoned debate with you, but I would like a
>response. Otherwise I feel as if I am debating with a brick wall.
>
Unfortunately my server had had some problems which have delayed the 
response to some of the articles.


--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 26 14:44:55 PDT 1996
Article: 68994 of alt.revisionism
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In article <524p5i$2ok_002@vip.best.com>, Tor Slettnes wrote:

>White trash may be the weakest intellectually, but are in no way afraid 
>of using physical power against other groups that have a weaker position 
>in society.
>

According to your anti-white prejudices.

>This includes, of course, your own view that non-white people who have 
>become Danish citizens should have their citizenship taken away (since 
>they do not "qualify ethnically"), then deported.
>
>Scapegoats?  How does the term "illegal immigrant" strike you.  
>Keep in mind that they keep the economy going.

Yes, the sweatshops. An economy based on illegal immigrants are not a sound
economy in my book.
>
>If your own eyes turn red while reading some more, shall we say, 
>balanced viewpoints, you ought perhaps to examine your own amount of 
>hatred.  To yourself, and others.
>
I do not hate anybody. I am just against the multiethnic society and
the multiracial ideology.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Sep 26 14:44:56 PDT 1996
Article: 69048 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>In article <3244499D.49DC@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
>
>>Lester John Ness wrote:
>>> 
>>>         If Kreiberg and friends were to get what they think they want,
>>> they wouldn't be satisfied.  They'd be sure to invent some other reason to
>>> persecute yet other people -- blonde hair versus red hair, or some other
>>> equally absurd excuse.
>
>Quite right!
>
>The problems that people like this Kreiberg see and want to get rid of are
>not objective problems. They are projections of inner difficulties, of guilt
>and of feelings of inferiority on others. The "other races" are just scapegoats
>or maybe accidental targets of racist self-hate turned inside out. 
>
 This is the way Germans may be like, because of the their defeat in WW2 and 
the their guilt in the phony holocaust. I do not feel the slightest guilt 
for anything which has to do with WW2. For what reason would I have any 
racial selfhatred and feelings of inferiority. Racial pride would be much
closer to the thruth.

>Since the self-hate won't go away after the target it is being projected
>against now - all those "foreigners" living in Denmark currently - has in
>fact been eliminated, it will have to find a new target. And it will. 

 You are trying to project some of your sick feelings out on me. Remember
you are from a nation that in 1945 went from national socialism to
national masochism. 

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 27 10:25:36 PDT 1996
Article: 31416 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: "White Trash", the scapegoats of the American antiracists.
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In article <525phl$8l9@dismay.ucs.indiana.edu>, Lester John Ness wrote:
>       Actually, Kreiberg, race doesn't exist -- it's purely an imaginary
>category, as much so as lines of latitude.
>

So "race doesn't exist". This is a polical correct doctrine based on wishful
thinking. You antiracists are just trying to explain away the reality of
race.
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Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 27 12:20:26 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>
>By he way: according to your statements Switzerland should be a country
>suffering from heavy conflicts as at least three nations (in terms of
>culture) do mix up there.
>
Yes three closely related nationalities. For the Swiss people the Swiss
culture and identity seem to be more important than language.
> 
>> Trying to integrate Denmark tighter with Germany through the EU can only
>> be regarded a treason and will inevitable create tensions and animosity
>> towards Germany.
>
>It is the Danish and not the German Government that does decide on whether
>to join the EU for Denmark. And it were the majority of the Danish people
>who did decide to join in a nationwide referendum. As far as I understand
>the referendum they did join the EU, not Germany. Germany isn't the EU,
>you know. Ask some British, French, Greek or Spanish people. Just to
>mention some of the other members.

 But Germany is that EU country that the Danes fear the most. The fear is 
that Denmark may be turned into a North German province swallowed up by the 
much bigger Germany. This fear is mostly held by the Danish political left 
wing. In the propaganda of the political leftwing against the EU, Germany is 
always represented as the big bogey (Feindbild). Denmark is described as 
"Nordgau" and the EU as "Neuropa" etc..

>
>> According to e.g. Arthur de Gobineau there are no pure races only various
>> degrees of relative purity.
>
>Sorry, that will not help you out.  "Relative purity" does mean to have an
>idea of what "purity" does mean and how to measure. In fact it would not
>make any sense to talk about _relative_, thus measurable, purity without
>having a concept of purity itself. 
>-- 
According to Arthur de Gobineau there had not been a pure race in the last
2000 years. And even then a pure race was only a theoretical concept. 
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 27 12:20:27 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> On the other hand Hitler did not regard Frenchmen, Danes, Poles etc as 
>> Germans, because they simply are not Germans.
>
>By Nazi ideology not just the German race (there is none, by the way), but
>the Aryan race is the superior one. Danes as all other people of nordic
>origin were regarded as Aryan brethren. 

Related blood (verwandete Blut) were the way the Nazi-Germans described 
the Scandinavians. He never said the *same* blood.

>Same does hold for French people
>to a certain extent (ye more North ye Aryan). And even in Poland they did
>search for Aryans within the polish people. 

Yes in order to *Germanize* them - not to create and Aryan Poland. And
there was a just or unjust fear in the contemporary Denmark that the
Germans were up to similiar things in all of the occupied countries. 
However, I have seen no evidence for this. 

>Thus they did take away
>children from mothers if their racial experts did state that this child is
>of Aryan origin. And they did force polish women to join "Lebensborn",
>which was intended breed the future Aryan race and to overcome the impurity
>of Germany in terms of being Aryan. 

Yeah these Nazi-Germans were all a bunch weirdos. :-D


>> Only Germans can be genuine nazis.
>
>Aah, why ?  The Nazis thought that all others they did regard as being
>Aryan brethren should be too. 

Have you any evidence?

>And they did try to make them to join their
>movement.
> 
Sure they certainly needed Allies and cannon fodder in their war.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 27 12:20:28 PDT 1996
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> A central policy to nazism was to combat unemployment.
>
>Come on, Ole, that's too cheap rethoric. You did talk about racism and
>ethnic cleansing of Denmark not about unemployment. Thus even if you were
>right (you are not) you do use a very cheap distractive maneuver.

 Hm you want us to believe that ethnic cleansing was invented by the Nazis.
What do think of the deportations of the American Red Indians to 
reservations? In the Ex-Yugoslavia former Serbian communists are making 
muslims flee from certain areas. As a German you think that you can make the 
nazis scapegoats of all sorts of unhappy incidents.

>> I just know that homogenous societies are better than heterogenous, and 
>> that every decent person should be in favour of ethnic homogeneity. 
>
>Up to now you fail to tell on what your knowledge is based. 

OK we take it one more time for the slow-witted ones. Take a look on 
countries like Sri Lanka, India, Sudan, Cyprus, Lebanon, Palestine/Israel 
and many more, and you should be able to grasp what I am talking about.

>"Natural law"
>you did state and have been shown, that ethnic homogenity is neither
>natural nor a law. 

 Gee have I really?? No I still base my understanding of the meaning of the
ethnic differences on the experience of history, common sense, logic and
the eternal laws of nature. The first law of nature is self-preservation,
and this natural law also applies to nations and ethnic groups. You may
of course think differently and try to believe that natural laws does not 
exists. This is then your problem not mine.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 27 12:20:29 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>
>He did export it to nearly every country he could. France, Netherlands,
>Belgium, Denmark, Hungary, Jugoslavia (mainly Croatian part), Greece and a
>lot of other countries. And you now that, me seems, as in other articles
>you note that he or "the Germans" did try in Denmark. 

What did they try in Denmark? Give me just one example that the Germans 
tried to nazify Denmark during WW2. However in countries like Norway and the 
Netherlands where the legal governments had chickened off, some pro-german
opportunists may have tried to fill in the political vacuum left.

In Croatia and Hungary there were already strong fascistlike movements that
saw Nazi-Germany as an convenient ally.
>
>
>> He tried to expand the German territory to the East but he did not try 
>> to make nazis out of the population there.
>
>Let's see. Slavic people were regarded as "Slave races" by NAZI-ideology
>whereas the "Aryans" were declared as being on top. 

 Nazism was primarily German chauvinistic and only secondarily racist. 
Hitler said several times that national socialism knows only Germany 
and is not meant for export. His exact word in his last public speech 
in 1945 were: "Der Nationalsozialismus kennt nur das Deutschtum, und 
ihn interessiert sonst nichts auf der Welt. 
... Die nationalsozialistische Lehre ist, und ich habe das immer wieder
betont, keine Exportware. Sie ist nur fuer das deutsche Volk geschaffen."
 
 This is crystal clear. What are your comments on that?

>
>I did already ask you what, in your opinion makes a
>"real Dane" (your words)) would violate Art. 15 (2) of the Universal
>Declaration of Human Rights. Just to think about an ethnic cleansing does
>violate the preamble, Art. 1 and 2 of the Declaration.

 According to the Danish constitution there is nothing above or beside the
Danish parliament. No foreign institution can legally overrule a law made 
by a majority in the Danish parliament. If the majority in the parliament 
make a reservation against a specific human right, they have their legal
right to do so. They decide what is the law of the land and the UN.
>
>
>I say that democracy works
>> best in homogenous populations and that multi-ethnicism is a threat to 
>> democracy. 
>
>> Democracy needs societies with a certain degree of coherence and 
>> consensus in order to work.
>
 Up to now you restrict it on
>immigrants and their children and to adopted children as well. (By the
>way: what is about the German minority, with 1.6 % of the population the
>mayor non-Danish minority ?  Would they have to leave according to your
>plans ?)  

 There is a general consensus that the conflict which ignited the war in
1848 and 1864 were settled by the referendum in 1920 that led to a partition
of Slesvig between Denmark and Germany. Even Hitler accepted this result
by stating that the border was firm and unalterable. 

 Another thing is that if Denmark tried to bother those Germans the much 
bigger German army may come to their aid, exactly as it did in 1848 and
1864. No one would be so crazy as to try that again. Remember how things 
went for Denmark in 1864. Hitler said that this problem [tension between
German and Danish culture in Slesvig] is a local problem that should
not have any influence on the relationship between Denmark and Germany.

>Next group of people identified as not "real X" are usually those
>who do oppose racist politics and ideology. 

If we have a political majority and the opposition respects the democratic 
game, I can see no problem.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> On the other hand Hitler did not regard Frenchmen, Danes, Poles etc as 
>> Germans, because they simply are not Germans.
>
>By Nazi ideology not just the German race (there is none, by the way), but
>the Aryan race is the superior one. Danes as all other people of nordic
>origin were regarded as Aryan brethren. 

Related blood (verwandete Blut) were the way the Nazi-Germans described 
the Scandinavians. He never said the *same* blood.

>Same does hold for French people
>to a certain extent (ye more North ye Aryan). And even in Poland they did
>search for Aryans within the polish people. 

Yes in order to *Germanize* them - not to create and Aryan Poland. And
there was a just or unjust fear in the contemporary Denmark that the
Germans were up to similiar things in all of the occupied countries. 
However, I have seen no evidence for this. 

>Thus they did take away
>children from mothers if their racial experts did state that this child is
>of Aryan origin. And they did force polish women to join "Lebensborn",
>which was intended breed the future Aryan race and to overcome the impurity
>of Germany in terms of being Aryan. 

Yeah these Nazi-Germans were all a bunch weirdos. :-D


>> Only Germans can be genuine nazis.
>
>Aah, why ?  The Nazis thought that all others they did regard as being
>Aryan brethren should be too. 

Have you any evidence?

>And they did try to make them to join their
>movement.
> 
Sure they certainly needed Allies and cannon fodder in their war.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> A central policy to nazism was to combat unemployment.
>
>Come on, Ole, that's too cheap rethoric. You did talk about racism and
>ethnic cleansing of Denmark not about unemployment. Thus even if you were
>right (you are not) you do use a very cheap distractive maneuver.

 Hm you want us to believe that ethnic cleansing was invented by the Nazis.
What do think of the deportations of the American Red Indians to 
reservations? In the Ex-Yugoslavia former Serbian communists are making 
muslims flee from certain areas. As a German you think that you can make the 
nazis scapegoats of all sorts of unhappy incidents.

>> I just know that homogenous societies are better than heterogenous, and 
>> that every decent person should be in favour of ethnic homogeneity. 
>
>Up to now you fail to tell on what your knowledge is based. 

OK we take it one more time for the slow-witted ones. Take a look on 
countries like Sri Lanka, India, Sudan, Cyprus, Lebanon, Palestine/Israel 
and many more, and you should be able to grasp what I am talking about.

>"Natural law"
>you did state and have been shown, that ethnic homogenity is neither
>natural nor a law. 

 Gee have I really?? No I still base my understanding of the meaning of the
ethnic differences on the experience of history, common sense, logic and
the eternal laws of nature. The first law of nature is self-preservation,
and this natural law also applies to nations and ethnic groups. You may
of course think differently and try to believe that natural laws does not 
exists. This is then your problem not mine.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>
>He did export it to nearly every country he could. France, Netherlands,
>Belgium, Denmark, Hungary, Jugoslavia (mainly Croatian part), Greece and a
>lot of other countries. And you now that, me seems, as in other articles
>you note that he or "the Germans" did try in Denmark. 

What did they try in Denmark? Give me just one example that the Germans 
tried to nazify Denmark during WW2. However in countries like Norway and the 
Netherlands where the legal governments had chickened off, some pro-german
opportunists may have tried to fill in the political vacuum left.

In Croatia and Hungary there were already strong fascistlike movements that
saw Nazi-Germany as an convenient ally.
>
>
>> He tried to expand the German territory to the East but he did not try 
>> to make nazis out of the population there.
>
>Let's see. Slavic people were regarded as "Slave races" by NAZI-ideology
>whereas the "Aryans" were declared as being on top. 

 Nazism was primarily German chauvinistic and only secondarily racist. 
Hitler said several times that national socialism knows only Germany 
and is not meant for export. His exact word in his last public speech 
in 1945 were: "Der Nationalsozialismus kennt nur das Deutschtum, und 
ihn interessiert sonst nichts auf der Welt. 
... Die nationalsozialistische Lehre ist, und ich habe das immer wieder
betont, keine Exportware. Sie ist nur fuer das deutsche Volk geschaffen."
 
 This is crystal clear. What are your comments on that?

>
>I did already ask you what, in your opinion makes a
>"real Dane" (your words)) would violate Art. 15 (2) of the Universal
>Declaration of Human Rights. Just to think about an ethnic cleansing does
>violate the preamble, Art. 1 and 2 of the Declaration.

 According to the Danish constitution there is nothing above or beside the
Danish parliament. No foreign institution can legally overrule a law made 
by a majority in the Danish parliament. If the majority in the parliament 
make a reservation against a specific human right, they have their legal
right to do so. They decide what is the law of the land and the UN.
>
>
>I say that democracy works
>> best in homogenous populations and that multi-ethnicism is a threat to 
>> democracy. 
>
>> Democracy needs societies with a certain degree of coherence and 
>> consensus in order to work.
>
 Up to now you restrict it on
>immigrants and their children and to adopted children as well. (By the
>way: what is about the German minority, with 1.6 % of the population the
>mayor non-Danish minority ?  Would they have to leave according to your
>plans ?)  

 There is a general consensus that the conflict which ignited the war in
1848 and 1864 were settled by the referendum in 1920 that led to a partition
of Slesvig between Denmark and Germany. Even Hitler accepted this result
by stating that the border was firm and unalterable. 

 Another thing is that if Denmark tried to bother those Germans the much 
bigger German army may come to their aid, exactly as it did in 1848 and
1864. No one would be so crazy as to try that again. Remember how things 
went for Denmark in 1864. Hitler said that this problem [tension between
German and Danish culture in Slesvig] is a local problem that should
not have any influence on the relationship between Denmark and Germany.

>Next group of people identified as not "real X" are usually those
>who do oppose racist politics and ideology. 

If we have a political majority and the opposition respects the democratic 
game, I can see no problem.

--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 27 17:44:45 PDT 1996
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In article <3244499D.49DC@unb.ca>, Keith Morrison  wrote:
>Lester John Ness wrote:
>> 
>>         If Kreiberg and friends were to get what they think they want,
>> they wouldn't be satisfied.  They'd be sure to invent some other reason to
>> persecute yet other people -- blonde hair versus red hair, or some other
>> equally absurd excuse.
>
>Paraphrase from Dennis Miller:
>
>First they get rid of the people with the wrong skin, then the wrong
>language and the wrong religion.  Then they start on the people who
>don't salute right or have haircuts too long and soon there's only
>only guy left and he will undoubtably attack the mirror.
>
Oh come on guys. Is there no end to your paranoia?
--
Ole Kreiberg

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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Gary "Gerhard" Lauck >> Was G.L. Framed By Anti-Racists?
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>In article <7xnGoOev1iXI065yn@login.dknet.dk>, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>The DVU is tolerated, just like the REPs (and just like the DKP, by the way).
>Prohibiting a party requires, that the party's aims be declared unconstitutional
>with respect to the two immutable, fundamental articles of our constitution
>(Art. 1, and 20 GG) by our supreme court - the Verfassungsgericht. The
>proceedings
>are not started automatically, they have to be initiated by a majority in
>parliament. 
>And the Bundestag choses to not initiate the proceedings against the Frey group
>(DVU) or the Republikaner (REPs). 
>
>Therefore, the fact that a party is not prohibited, does not allow one to
>conclude
>that its aims are constitutional. It just means that its aims have not yet been
>investigated formally in that sense. Furthermore, your claim that "nazi-parties
>are prohibited" is wrong. A political party which, after all, gains some special
>privileges from its status as a political party, has to be constitutional
>in Germany.

You are suggesting that I have unconstitutional aims without having the 
slightest evidence. I can conclude that you are a simple slanderer.

>Your racist ideas, however, and your holocaust denial make you a strong suspect
>for being a neo Nazi, though. These two articles of faith are shared by you and
>by German neo-Nazis and by your logic, that would make you a Danish neo Nazi 
>or did I get something wrong in your reasoning? 

 Well the nazis claim that the earth is round and I do the same. So I must
be a "nazi" according to you. No, in order to be a genuine nazi you must
agree with the nazis on all points or at least on all the important points. 
Some important points are dictatorship, militarism and social darwinism. 
As I do not agree with the nazis on those points I do not qualify as a
nazi. That simple.

>
>Whatever the label, though, your ideas are despiccable, mean and dangerous to
>peace and civility. (and to democracy 

 The incoherent multiethnic society is a greater threat to democracy than my
little process. As soon as it is over there will be perfect conditions for 
a happy and harmonious democracy.

>society (AND cost you freedom of movement across the Danish border for both
>Danes and goods, thanks to a likely boycott of a Kreibergian, White Denmark 
>by all other civil nations) it is very unlikely that the Danish population
>will ever vote for extremists like you.
>
 That is why we patriots in different white nations work together. We have 
to come to power in more countries at the same time. We are patient and we
do not do anything hasty. Little by little the world will have to get used
to us and accept our policy as the only right one.
--
Ole Kreiberg

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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>In article , map@zenon.prima.ruhr.de
>(Martin Paegert) wrote:
>
>>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>...
>>> According to e.g. Arthur de Gobineau there are no pure races only various
>>> degrees of relative purity.
>
>>Sorry, that will not help you out.  "Relative purity" does mean to have an
>>idea of what "purity" does mean and how to measure. In fact it would not
>>make any sense to talk about _relative_, thus measurable, purity without
>>having a concept of purity itself. 
>
>Good observation.
>
>I don't think you'll get any clear concept of race out of the likes of 
>Mr. Kreiberg, though. 

 It does not mean that because there is no pure races that races do not 
exist. If the races were all pure the race concept would have been much 
more clear.

>If race was a clearcut concept for Mr. Kreiberg, he wouldn't be able
>to argue his case anymore. The concept has to be flexible enough
>to allow him to exclude people from his movement (if there is one
>at all) by, say, accusing them of non-white thinking. No matter
>in such a case, whether the accused has a lily white ancestry traceable
>to Erik the Red or someone as remote as that - he/she is thinking
>non-white thoughts, and so he/she has got to have tainted blood.
>Out s/he goes.

Nonsens. But there may be traitors opportunists etc. within every race.
--
Ole Kreiberg

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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>>You are suggesting that I have unconstitutional aims without having the 
>>slightest evidence. I can conclude that you are a simple slanderer.
>
>Well, I know for sure that your aim to ethnically cleanse Denmark, deprive
>those you call non-ethnic Danes of their citizenship and round them up
>into camps on "uninhabited Danish islands" until they are ready to leave
>would clearly be unconstitutional according to our Verfassung. It probably is 
>unconstitutional in Denmark, 

 I have just bought a copy of the Danish constitution and can find no 
references to this. Furthermore even if there were something like that I 
have still not acted unconstitutional. I have said that I would create
legal foundation before I started to carry out the program. You see
a majority of the voters can change the constitution by a referendum.
If a majority want the absolute monarchy back or something else this is 
possible as long as you follow the prescribed rules. I have talked about
creating ethnic homogeneity in a legal manner. I think that even in Germany
it is legal to suggest changing the constitution or a specific legislation
by *legal* means.


>too, since such policies would violate the
>human rights ot those you'd like to expell and I assume that Denmark
>has signed the UN charta of human rights. 

 Hm. Who would prevent you from making a reservation from a certain human 
right or repeal your consent.

>
>Thus, in case you feel mean enough, go ahead and sue me for libel. Your aims
>are unconstitutional according to the German GG (Grundgesetz). Your aims
>are most likely unconstitutional according to the Danish constitution. These
>two sentences would hold in court, I'm certain.

 Prove it if you can.

>> Well the nazis claim that the earth is round and I do the same. So I must
>>be a "nazi" according to you. No, in order to be a genuine nazi you must
>>agree with the nazis on all points or at least on all the important points. 
>>Some important points are dictatorship, militarism and social darwinism. 
>>As I do not agree with the nazis on those points I do not qualify as a
>>nazi. That simple.
>
>That would depend on my definition of what a neo-Nazi is, wouldn't it?
>I think that racism, ethnic cleansing and your social Darwinism which you
>have amply demonstrated in previous postings are enough to label you as
>such. In that I can only concur with Danny Keren.

 How can I be called a social darwinist since I want to preserve the social
wellfare state. I only want to expell those that ethnic and cultural are
not a part of Europe. For the rest of the population there will be no big 
changes. It will be back to normalcy.

>I'll grant you that you don't openly call for dictatorship. But on the other
>hand I am certain that your aims could only be reached with a very
>authoritarian - vulgo: dictatorial - government. 

 The only authority would be the political will of the majority of the 
population.

>So, in practice, there
>is very little difference between your political aims and those of the
>different German neo-Nazi parties. But let me ask you: would the labels
>extremist right winger, racist hatemonger, or spouter of white aryan
>rubbish sound better to you? I'll gladly adopt either one, if you object
>to "neo-Nazi".

 The expression "hatemonger" is clearly libel. You will not be able to
prove to a court that I have ever expressed hatred against any group. Even
those groups that I want to expell I do not hate. I am only against the 
multi-ethnic society and the multi-racial ideology. 

>
>Concerning social darwinism: allow me to remind you of your talk
>about self-preservation of social groupings to be a natural law. 

 Social groupings? I have only spoken about ethnic groups. By social 
darwinism you normally understand the survival of the fittest. I speak about
the survival of all ethnic groups by avoiding miscegenation and by creating 
ethnic homogenous nations.

>That's
>not so long ago, you cannot possibly have forgotten about that one. If
>that's not one fo the tenets of social darwinism, what is it then?
>
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)



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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>
>> It does not mean that because there is no pure races that races do not 
>>exist. If the races were all pure the race concept would have been much 
>>more clear.
>
>If you would treat us to your definition in conjunction with its 
>application - we've got the former, but it's at odds with the latter - 
>it would be much clearer, too. So, care to elaborate on the hypothetical
>black-skinned adoptee being raised in a purely Norwegian family? 

 Here I have a very clear stand. I have explained that before. If all 
Norwegians stopped having Norwegian babies and instead adopted black
african babies Norway would, as soon as the Norwegian population was all
black, have the same social economical and political condition as in
predominant black countries like Uganda, Haiti and Jamaica. Norway would
then have become a part of the third world. The Norwegian culture is not
natural to blacks. Of course some of the most intelligent blacks may be
able to adapt but they would not be able to continue this culture if left to
themselves. Or this would not at least be natural to them.

>A question about what the likely result would be, in terms of values,
>ethics, self-image of the adoptee has been asked ages ago. Telling us
>about your predictions in such a case AND giving some ARGUMENTS for
>that (as yet inexistant) predictions might clarify things for everyone
>- including yourself.
>
>>Nonsens. But there may be traitors opportunists etc. within every race.
>
>Well, if it's nonsense, then go tell us about Switzerland without a 
>wishy washy concept of race. Why is it a wealthy nation despite
>the fact that the Swiss are a rather diverse bunch of people. 
>
Racially the Swiss are not diverse at all. Furthermore you will find the 
same level of wealth and the same values among all the language groups. 
Their Swiss identity seems to be stronger than their seperate German, 
French and Italian identities.
--
Ole Kreiberg

Http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (in Danish language)




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