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From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Aug 21 18:48:44 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:51:08 +0100
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In article <4v0439$e0t@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
>> 
>
>       None of this changes the basic point, your nazi friend advocated 
>rounding up Danish citizens with a heritage that meets with his disapproval and 
>throwing them into concentration camps.  

 I will just cancel their citizenship and then treat them as illegal aliens, 
that is all. The ideal would be to have them deported as quickly as possible 
>from  those transitcamps

>He suggested as well that since the 
>normal authroties could not handle the job armed bands of citizens -- vigilantes -- 
>assist them.

This is an outright lie. I have never advocated the use of vigilantes. 
Prove it or shut up.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Aug 22 06:45:30 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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In article <4v35lp$6b9@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) lies again
>
>>   Furthermore having a bunch of unreliable and random organised 
>>  civilians to do a job like this make no sense. I have only talked about the 
>>  formation of a special police unit to handle the job. 
>
>       Composed of "volunteers."  i.e. vigilantes.
>
Yes composed of voluntary policemen. How can policemen performing policework
be regarded as vigilantes? The reason for making the participation in this 
work voluntarily is that some policemen may be against it of political or
other reasons. 

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Aug 22 19:42:44 PDT 1996
Article: 58981 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Ausrotten and the only good Indian is a dead Indian
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:52:19 +0100
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In article <3218666d.328313619@news.inetport.com>, Mike Curtis wrote:
>
>Ole is now so trapped that he resorts to this old saw. Well, Ole, find
>me a government document stating a State policy to exterminate the
>Indians.
>
 You cannot find any german document stating anything about a State policy 
to exterminate the Jews "but you have to read it between lines from
a document produced at the Wannsee conference and from Hitler's rhetorics".
It is the same with the "holocaust" on the Red Indians in the USA. As it was
not suitable and possible to place the Indians in ghetto towns they were 
deported to reservations, that were deliberately placed on the poorest land 
insufficient in yielding them a livelihood. From many opinions of 
contemporay Americans like General Custer you can read between the lines 
that it was the intention of the Americans to slowly have the Indians wiped 
out. 

 When the Indians discovered that the reservations could not support a 
livelihood they rebelled by breaking out of the reservations and sometimes 
attacking Americans. Then they were shot down on sight. Before the West 
was conquored there have also been incidents of giving the Indians smallpox 
infested blankets in order to have them exterminated by epidemics. 

Can you imagine if some prominent German Nazi had said something like 
"The only good Jew is a dead Jew"? This would have been heavily used by 
the anti-revisionists as evidence that the intensions of the Nazis were to 
exterminate all the Jews. Therefore I am asking what we can learn from the 
common American slogan of the 19th century: "The only good Indian is a dead
Indians"?
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Aug 23 11:38:26 PDT 1996
Article: 59122 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:30:41 +0100
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Chuck Ferree wrote:

>Bigots are the most dangerous people in the world. 

 Well what do you think of the deceased Rabbi Meir Kahane and his Kach party?
Or what about the American Jew that shot and killed a lot Palestinians in
a Mosque on the Israeli occupied West Bank a few yaers ago? Or the young 
Jew that shot the Israeli head of state not so long ago? Yes, there are 
certainly quite a bit of fanatics and bigots among Jews.

>Some of them should be shot on sight. 

This is the way a fanatic and bigot think. Are you like that?

>You one of them?

No, I am not a fanatic, but I would regard it the ultimate honour to die in 
the battle for truth.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Aug 23 17:14:29 PDT 1996
Article: 59199 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 19:33:49 +0100
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> The EU wants to oppress nationalism because this is against the
>> sinister goal of an United European super-state. 
>
>For violent nationalism this is true. The European Parliament as well
>as the national governments do think that violent means should no longer
>be a mean of European politics. 

In all the countries of the world political violence is prohibited. Have you 
ever heard about something called terrorism? In the Danish constitution from 
1849 is written that it is prohibited to advocate the use of violence. 
Associations like political parties, movements etc. that work by criminal 
means are to be dissolved by decision of the court. 

>The same thing holds for racism which is
>an important ideological step towards violent nationalism and even more
>evil things (social Darvinism to mention just the worst).  

You only think on German history. Maybe that is your particular German
experience with racism and nationalism, but this may not be case in 
other countries. 

>Thus it may not
>surprise at all that racists and hard-core nationalists have "the same
>interest" to a certain extent - and quite often beyond.
>
>
>> The only thing you can learn from the socalled holocaust, if it really 
>> happened, ...
>
>If it really happened ???

Yeah, you know that I refuse to believe in it. I do not owe the Germans
or the alleged Jewish victims anything so I will feel free to choose
whether or not I want to believe in holocaust.
>
>
>> The silly German politicians think that they can export their "guilt" to 
>> the other European countries. Fortunately no one in this country seem 
>> interested in sharing the German guilt and all the Danish politicians 
>> have so far refused to legislate about German history.
>
>Hmmm, half a year ago, concerning Gary Lauck, you did complain just the
>other way round. 
>
 It is true that the Danish authorities extradited Gary Lauck after German
pressure and out of fear that Denmark might become a heaven for German
extremists. I think that this extradition was meant as a political signal to
German extremists to stay away from Denmark.  

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Aug 23 18:51:44 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: German hegemony over Europe through the European Union
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> History cannot show just one example that something good can come out of 
>> miscegenation. 
>
>History can show that, whenever people made statements like the cited,
>mass killings were the outcome.

Show me one example outside of Germany in the 20th century.
> 
>
>> The ancient Egypt went down in time with the inmixture of negro from the 
>> South. When those people who had created the ancient Egyptian culture 
>> vanished due to miscenation, the Egyptian civilisation vanished too.
>
>Seems you doesn't even notice that you are talking in purly human, though
>non-natural categories (in terms of natural sciences).  Of course cultures
>may disappear slowly when mixing up with other cultures. In fact that is
>the normal course of history. Otherwise you and me would still live as our
>ancestors 2000 years ago.
>
>Interesting that you mention ancient Egypt. You couldn't find a more near
>one ?  

Egypt is one of the best examples.

>
>Hmmm, so miscegenation did kill Allende. 

 No, miscegenation created those political, economical and social conditions
which prevails in Latin America. In Latinamerica the choise is between
a Castro, a Pinochet or chaos.

>I always thought it was United
>Fruit etc. and the CIA who did encourage militaries to kill him and to
>establish a dictatorship. So there is no "backyard politics" of the US, 
>but just miscegenation ?

 The weak and incoherent nations which resulted from miscegenation, were  
easy for the USA to exploit and kick around with. The USA has not created
the powerty in Latin America. Take a look at Puerto Rico that is ruled
by the USA. Puerto Rico has one of the highest standard living of the Latin
American countries.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Aug 23 18:51:45 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> If the bodies fell over the still unevaporated HCN there could be quite a 
>> bit left. 
>
>I did state on that in a previous article. There will be almost no
>unevaporated HCN left after a few minutes. First point: The evaporation
>rate does fall within minutes very rapidly.  

This an excerpt from the Rudolph report, that I once found in alt.
revisionism

FROM THE *RUDOLF REPORT*  (rough translation, original text at bottom)

 (p.60f): 

"In the middle of the 1920Ęs the carrier material for Zyklon B was almost
completely diatomite from which the prussic acid almost completely
outgassed in a matter of minutes. [176].  However the carrier, in a tin
can, would lose almost all of the prussic acid in a few days, and it would
flow around freely in the can thus creating a great risk in opening the
product.  As a result, the material testing laboratory in Berlin
recommended by the end of the 1920Ęs that at least part of the diatomite
be replaced with gypsum, whose water hydrating ability would hold the
prussic acid, and thus increasing the shelf life of the product. [177]. 
In the 1930Ęs increasing amounts of gypsum were added, which markedly
increased the evaporation rate over the course of time.  For a few years,
the product was called *Cyanosil* (tm).
The Zyklon B that was allegedly used for gassing human beings was made of
a diagreiss material, 5 to 10 millimeters in diameter, with the prussic
acid soaked into a small clumps of diatomite with a marked amount of
gypsum added, such that approximately 60% of the mass of the product
comprised the carrier material. [178,179].  The evaporation of the poison
gas from the carrier was achieved rather slowly.
This was foreseen when the longer shelf life for Zyklon B was achieved,
and therefore it was desired that personnel involved in the fumigation of
rooms should be equipped with gas masks while the preparation was being
distributed.  Since the gas mask filter provided uncertain protection from
specific concentrations (see attachment 3.4.2.3, page 75), and since
poisoning through the skin could also occur,  we can assume that the
slower release of the gas was for the security of the personnel in their
exit from the area after the laying down of the preparation.

The evaporation characteristics of prussic acid from carrier materials are
given in two sources. [179,180].  The information from the second of
these,  the US Army Chemical Corps, is given on Graph 12.  Unfortunately,
the source says nothing about the type of carrier material used, or about
the accumulation of layers of the product during application.  But it does
say that about 80% to 90% of the prussic acid would be outgassed in about
nine hours, at room temperature of about 26 degrees Centigrade.  The other
source is Detia Freyberg GmbH,  one of the offshoots of DEGESCH, which was
the main provider of prussic acid products until the end of the war.
[179].  Since the outgassing depends on temperature and air movement,
Detia Freyberg GmbH only provided a rule of thumb, which was that, given a
temperature in excess of 20 degress Centigrade, and an even distribution
of the product, 80% to 90% of the gas would be evaporated after two hours
(see Graph 13).

After 48 hours there is either none or only traces of prussic acid in the
carrier.  At lower temperatures there should be a corresponding decrease
in the evaporation of the prussic acid, and lengthening of the process. 
But given the conditions listed above, one can calculate that 50% of the
prussic acid will be outgassed after about 40 to 45 minutes. (120/3 min.) 
G. Peters claimed at the beginning of the 1930Ęs that about 50% of the
prussic acid would be released after half an hour, with a distribution of
the preparation in a sheet between 1/2 to 1 centimeter in thickness.
[163], which comes out as somewhat less than the reported time from Detia
Freyberg GmbH.  The higher evaporation rates given by Peters apparently
come after the time when the gypsum component in the carrier was being
increased for product stability, and needless to say, to lower the cost of
the carrier materials.   For further determinations it should be kept in
mind that during the first five, or apparently as much as ten, minutes
after applying the product, a maximum of 10% of the prussic acid will have
been lost from the carrier material at temperatures greater than 20
degrees Centrigrade.  If the temperature is lowered from the boiling point
of prussic acid to 0 degrees Centigrade, the evaporation time would be
approximately tripled (see Graph 1, page 38).  
According to a war time source, the evaporation of prussic acid from a
carrier at below zero temperatures is only slightly protracted. [181]. ō

References:
163: G. Peters, Blausõure zur Schõdlingsbekõmpfung [Prussic Acid for Pest
Control] , Ferdinand Enke Verlag, Stuttgart 1933, for comments on the
evaporation of prussic acid, see : p. 64f.
176:    Patentschrift Nr. 438818 (D 41941 IV/451, 27.12.1926), 
courtesy of Carlo Mattogno, the patent claims that practically all of the
prussic acid was released after ten minutes.
177: Untersuchungsberichte der Reichsmaterialpr³fungsanstalt
[Investigative Report of the State Materials Testing Laboratories],
Berlin.  This was provided courtesy of Dr. H. Leipprand (the precise
reference will be provided when possible).
178: See the pictures in J.-C. Pressac, Auschwitz: Techniqueą aaO. (Anm. 
16), S. 17, F.A. Leuchter (Anm. 2), S. 148, as well as Product information

der DEGESCH (Deutsche Ge-sellschaft f³r Schõdlingsbekõmpfung).
179: A. Moog, W. Kapp, Letter Detia Freyberg GmbH to the Autor, 
Laudenbach 11.9.1991. After the war the firm of Detia Freyberg was formed
>from  DEGESCH, which lay in the American zone. Concerning the mass of
carrier material in the product: telephone conversation with W. Kapp on
10.1.1992.  I also have with me a letter from the firm ARED, which give a
one to six hour evaporation time for prussic acid absorbed into paper
discs, at temperatures of 4 degrees Centigrade on up, Letter from ARED
GmbH to the Author, Linz, dated 12/30/1991.
180: S. Pinter, Mauthausen-Report, Beilage 3/US-Army Chemical Corps,
5.8.48.
181: G. Peters, W. Rasch, +Die Einsatzfõhigkeit der Blausõure-Durchgasung 
bei tiefen Tempe-raturen½, Zeitschrift f³r hygienische Zoologie und 
Schõdlingsbekõmpfung, [The Suitability of Prussic Acid Gassing at Low
Temperatures, in Journal for Hygienic Zoology and Pest Control], 1941,
133f."

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"Mitte der zwanziger Jahre bestand das Trõgermaterial von Zyklon B fast 
komplett aus Kiesel-gur, das die Blausõure innerhalb weniger Minuten fast 
ganz abgab [176]. Da der Trõger jedoch bereits in den Blechb³chsen
innerhalb 
nur weniger Tage einen Gro-teil der Blausõure verlor - sie flo- dann
fl³ssig 
in der Dose herum, so da- diese nur noch unter gro-em Risiko ge÷ffnet
werden 
konnte - empfahl die Materialuntersuchungsanstalt in Berlin Ende der 
zwanziger Jahre, zumindest einen Teil des Kieselgurs durch Gips zu
ersetzen. 
Das Hydratwasser des Gipses binde die Blausõure, wodurch das Produkt in 
Dosen lõnger haltbar sei[177]. In den drei-iger Jahren wurde daher das 
Produkt zunehmend auf Gips umgestellt, wodurch sich die Abdampf-zeit der 
Blausõure im Laufe der Jahre merklich erh÷hte. Vor einigen Jahren wurde
der 
Pro-duktname in +Cyanosil«½ umgeõndert. Das angeblich zur
Menschenvergasung 
verwendete Zy-klon B bestand aus einem Diagrie--Produkt, 5 bis 10 mm
gro-en, 
mit Blausõure getrõnkten Kl³mpchen aus Diatomeenerde (Kieselgur) mit 
merklichem Gipsanteil, wobei ungefõhr 60% der Masse des Produktes auf die 
Trõgermasse entfõllt[178,179]. Die Verdunstung des Giftga-ses vom Trõger 
erfolgt recht langsam. Dies war abgesehen zur Erreichung langer
Lagerzeiten 
der Zyklon B-Dosen auch deshalb erw³nscht, da bei Raumbegasungen das 
Personal, mit Gas-masken ausgestattet, das Prõparat in den Rõumen
verteilen 
mu-te. Da ein Schutz-filter ab einer bestimmten Konzentration unsicher
wird 
(siehe Abschnitt 3.4.2.3., S. 75) und auch eine Ver-giftung durch die Haut

erfolgen kann, ist die langsame Freisetzung des Gases Voraussetzung f³r
den 
sicheren R³ckzug des Perso-nals nach Auslegung des Prõparates.
Die Verdampfungscharakte-ristik der Blausõure von Trõgermaterialien wird
in 
zwei Quellen angege-ben [179,180]. Die Information der zweiten, von den 
US-Army Chemical Corps stam-menden, ist der Grafik 12 zu entnehmen. Leider

wird in der Quelle nichts ausgesagt ³ber die Art des Trõger-materials und 
die Anhõu-fung des Prõparats bei der Anwen-dung. Bei einer
Raum-tem-peratur 
von etwa 26#C, der Siedetemperatur der Blau-sõu-re, dauert da-nach der 
Vor-gang bis zur Abdampfung von 80 bis 90% der Blau-sõure rund 9 Stunden.
Die andere Quelle stammt von der Detia Freyberg GmbH, einer 
Nachfolgege-sellschaft der DEGESCH, die bis Kriegsende der Hauptlieferant 
f³r Blausõu-re-Produkte war[179]. Da die Gasfreisetzung von Temperatur und

Luftbewe-gung abhõngig ist, gibt die Detia Freyberg GmbH nur eine
Faustregel 
an. Danach gibt der Trõger bei einer Temperatur von mehr als 20#C und 
gleichmõ-iger Verteilung des Prõparates innerhalb von 120 min 80 bis 90 % 
der Blausõure ab, siehe Grafik 13.
Nach 48 Stunden sind im Trõger keine oder nur ver-nachlõssigbare 
Blausõure-reste nachzuwei-sen. Bei nie-drigeren Temperaturen soll sich 
dieser Vorgang ent-sprechend dem fallenden Dampfdruck von Blausõure 
verlangsamen. Danach ist mit 50% Blausõure-Abgabe nach 40 bis 45 Minuten
zu 
rechnen (120/3 min). G. Peters gibt Anfang der drei-iger Jahre f³r eine 
50%ige Freisetzung der Blausõure ¢ Stunde an, bei einer Verteilung des 
Prõpa-rates von 0,5 bis 1 cm Schichtdicke[163]. Damit liegt dies etwas
unter 
dem von der Detia Freyberg GmbH genannten Zeitbereich. Gr÷-ere
Abdampfzeiten 
als die von Peters genannten werden wahrscheinlich be-reits in den Jahren 
danach erreicht worden sein durch bestõndige Erh÷hung des Gipsanteiles am 
Trõgermaterial zur Erh÷hung der Lagerstabilitõt (und - nebenbei bemerkt - 
auch zur Preissen-kung des Trõgermaterials). F³r spõtere Feststellungen
ist 
es hier notwendig festzuhalten, da- wõhrend der ersten f³nf,
wahrscheinlich 
sogar zehn Minuten der Prõparatauslegung bei einer Temperatur gr÷-er als 
20#C maximal 10% der Blausõure den Trõgerstoff verlassen haben.
Bei einer Erniedrigung der Temperatur vom Siedepunkt der Blausõure auf 0#C

w³rde sich die Ver-dampfungdauer etwa verdreifachen (siehe Grafik 1, S.
38). 
Nach einer Quelle aus der Kriegszeit wird die Abdampfung der Blausõure vom

Trõger auch bei Minustemperaturen nur unerheblich verz÷-gert[181]. Gegen 
Ende der Verdampfung ist bei niedrigen Temperaturen mit einer zunehmenden 
Verz÷gerung zu rechnen, da hier die Adsorptionskrõfte des Trõgers auf die 
Blausõure stõrker zum Tragen kommen.
Zwischen der amerikanischen und den beiden deutschen Quellen liegt also
ein 
Faktor 4. Da die deut-schen Entlausungsprozeduren in der Regel im Bereich 
einiger weniger Stunden liegen (siehe weiter unten), ist der letzten
Quelle 
eher zu trauen, zumal hier auch die Verteilung des Prõparates angegeben
ist. 
Peters[163] erwõhnt au-erdem, da- die Amerikaner fast ausschlie--lich 
Scheiben aus Pappe als Trõger verwenden, die die Blausõure wesentlich 
langsamer abge-ben als das Diagrie--Prõparat.
Wird das Prõparat nicht gleichmõ-ig verteilt, sondern gehõuft ausgelegt,
so 
kommt es natur-gemõ- zu einer Verz÷gerung der Abdampfung. Dabei sind zwei 
Effekte zu beachten: Wõhrend das Volumen der zu verdampfenden Blausõure in

einer Prõparateanhõufung mit der 3. Potenz der Gr÷-e wõchst, wõchst die 
Oberflõche des Haufens, ³ber die die Verdampfung ablõuft, nur quadratisch.

Damit hat man mit einem zu der Anhõufung proportionalen Wachstum der 
Ver-dampfungszeit zu rechnen. Weiterhin wird sich bei gr÷-eren Anhõufungen

durch den starken lokalen Wõrmeentzug die Temperatur in und um das
Prõparat 
verstõrkt erniedrigen und damit die Verdampfung zusõtzlich bremsen. Eine 
leicht ³berpropor-tionale Zeitdehnung mit der Gr÷--e der Anhõufung des 
Prõparates ist also gegeben.

References:
163: G. Peters, Blausõure zur Schõdlingsbekõmpfung, Ferdinand Enke Verlag,

Stuttgart 1933, bez³glich der Geschwindigkeit der Blausõure-Verdunstung
vom 
Zyklon B-Trõger: S. 64f.
176:    Patentschrift Nr. 438818 (D 41941 IV/451, 27.12.1926), 
dankenswerterweise von C. Mattogno zur Verf³-gung gestellt. Danach gab 
damals das Prõ-parat innerhalb von 10 Minuten praktisch alle Blausõure ab.
177: Untersuchungsberichte der Reichsmaterialpr³fungsanstalt, Berlin.
Diese 
Arbeiten stellte mir dankenswerterweise Herr Dr. H. Leipprand zur
Verf³gung. 
(Genaue Quellenangabe wird gelegentlich eingef³gt.)
178: Siehe Abbildungen in J.-C. Pressac, Auschwitz: Techniqueą aaO. (Anm. 
16), S. 17, F.A. Leuchter (Anm. 2), S. 148, jeweils aus
Produktinformationen 
der DEGESCH (Deutsche Ge-sellschaft f³r Schõdlingsbekõmpfung).
179: A. Moog, W. Kapp, Schreiben der Detia Freyberg GmbH an den Autor, 
Laudenbach 11.9.1991. Nach Aussage der Herren der Firma De-tia Freyberg 
f³hrt diese Gesellschaft die Geschõfte der DEGESCH fort, die nach dem
Krieg 
in amerikanischen Besitz gelangte. Zum Mas-senanteil des Trõgers am 
Gesamtprodukt: Ferngesprõch mit W. Kapp vom 10.1.1992. Da-neben liegt mir 
ein Schreiben der Firma ARED vor, die f³r auf Pappscheiben adsorbierte 
Blau-sõure Verdampfungszeiten von 1 bis 6 Stunden angibt, je nach 
Temperatur, von 4#C an auf-steigend, Schreiben der ARED GmbH an den Autor,

Linz, Az. 1991-12-30/Mag.AS-hj.
180: S. Pinter, Mauthausen-Bericht, Beilage 3/US-Army Chemical Corps,
5.8.48.
181: G. Peters, W. Rasch, +Die Einsatzfõhigkeit der Blausõure-Durchgasung 
bei tiefen Tempe-raturen½, Zeitschrift f³r hygienische Zoologie und 
Schõdlingsbekõmpfung, 1941, 133f."
--
Ole Kreiberg 

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Aug 23 19:19:58 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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In article <4vf198$5a0@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>       I understand that you are, philospohically, a nazi and advocate a 
>political program concerning people with different ethnic backgrouds identical to 
>that of nazi rhetoric.  Further you are a convinced believer in nazi race science.

 You seem to be ignorant of what nazism was. Nazism was a particular German
phenomena. Hitler said several times that national socialism knows only
Germany and is not meant for export. Nazi race science as you call it was 
not invented by the nazis. The idea of an Aryan superior race comes from 
the French writer and diplomat Arthur de Gobineau. In his four volume work, 
An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races, this allegation is made. 
Hitler was basically a nonentity as philosoffer. The animosity towards 
the Jews was already in Germany and Austria before his birth. Have you ever
heard about Goldhagen's book? One thing is for sure you do not have to
be a nazi in order to be Anti-Jewish or a racialist. 
 

>
>  
>>   However, I am against the immigration from the third world and multi-ethnic 
>>  society. Not so many years ago marriage between people of different races 
>>  were forbidden in several states in the USA, and there was racial 
>>  segregation. Were those Americans that supported and wanted this kind of 
>>  legislation against the American constitution and in favour of dictatorship? 
>>  Were they "nazis"?
>
>       Yes, many were.

But how many? 3, 4  or 200. Not a significant number anyhow.
>
>
>> A lot of American racist Southerners fought eagerly 
>>  against the Germans in WW2. Have you ever heard of any incidents of 
>>  Americans refusing to fight against Germany in WW2 of ideological reasons?
>
>
>       Yes. 
>
Again. How many?
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 24 08:19:01 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: "...or exterminate them..."
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>Gee, this sounds a lot like Mr. Kreiberg: 
>
>1. Revoke people's citizenship based purely on their ethnicity.
>
>2. Put these ethnically undesireable people in "transit camps." 
>
>3. And then have them [his exact words] "...treated accordingly."
>
>
Treated accordingly means as illegal aliens.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 24 10:47:42 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>
>Concerning the EG and borders there seem to be a majority of Danes that,
>although sceptical, do think different. Anyhow, if you succeed to convince
>the majority of Danes that it would be better to leave the EG, Denmark
>could just do so.
>
Have you forgotten about the referenda in 1992 and 1993. Denmark has got
four exemptions:

1. No common citizensship
2. No common military
3. No common currency
4. No common central bank

 The Danes have nothing against trade cooperation and friendly relations,
but they can see no advantage in giving up sovereignty. The politicians
promised us in seventies that there would be no union or attempt to create a 
united Europe. Now serious attempts are made to carry out this nightmare 
vision.  

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 24 10:47:43 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Holger Skok wrote:
>In article <1UF5oOev1iS1065yn@login.dknet.dk>, olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>>In article , Holger Skok
>wrote:
>
>
>Successful for whom and by what standards, Mr. Kreiberg?

Well a high percentage of the drug addicts that were treated by Narkonon 
were cured and this has been verified by the authorities. Because of those 
results Narkonon is granted money from the state.

>Everything I have heard about Narkonon was very controversial. Some people
>claimed it was great, many called it totalitarian. I don't know enough about
>it to decide either way. But its connection to the Co$ would be enough for
>me to regard it with a very suspicious eye. 
>
>As for Denmark having no problems with Scientology, communists or Nazis,
>I wouldn't take your word for it, obviously. Concerning people like Thies
>Christoffersen (sp?) who have used Denmark as a staging area for mailing
>Nazi junk into Germany or have used Denmark as a safe haven it doesn't
>surprise me that Denmark didn't have any problems with them. Their 
>activities were directed against Germany, not against Denmark after all.
>
Thies Christophersen is a harmless old man. I have seen several copies
of his magazine "Die Bauernschaft" and it had rather the character of
only apologying for nazism. Yes I do comptempt Germany and the Germans
for persecuting him.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 24 10:47:43 PDT 1996
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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Lars Soltau (ls@ncc1701.s.bawue.de) wrote:
>
>> Interestingly enough, European Colonialism has always been a no-win
>> business. The states that had the fewest colonies prospered the most,
>> and serious economists agree that Colonialism never had many economic
>> advantages.
>
>Oh, thats why Britain was the most powerful and wealthy European Nation
>for several centuries: it just did have no Colonies.
>-- 
>
Were the British standard of living much higher than the one of Switzerland 
or Denmark in e.g. the twenties, when Britain still had all it's colonies? 
--
Ole Kreiberg 

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 24 12:30:27 PDT 1996
Article: 59432 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi!
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>> Secondly democracy will remain. 
>
>Democracy didn't survive in Germany after Hilter's ascension to power. You
>can hardly guarantee that democracy would survice in _your_  Fourth Reich,
>Mr. Kreiberg. Especially when the policies you favor would probably foment
>armed rebellion. 

I will never try to implement those policies before I have a majority
of the population behind me.

>If not eventual military intervention by an outside
>power. 

I count that similiar movements for the creation of ethnic homogeity will 
arise in other European countries. I would of course hesitate in 
implementing it if it only was possible in Denmark.
>
>Denmark would never tolerate your idiocy, much less survive it.  

 Opinion polls in Denmark show that 72 per cent of population are against
the multiethnic society. Opinion polls made by the European Union show
that Denmark is that country where the largest percentage of the population
is against the presence of immigrants and "refugees" from the third
world.
>
>> It is not the style of democracies to create  bloodshed. 
>
>It also is not the "style" of democracies to persecute their citizens en
>masse with unjust and inhumane policies while callously and cruelly
>violatatimg their civil and human rights. 

What is so inhumane about asking e.g. a Turk to live in Turkey. There 
already live millions of Turks in Turkey. Is that inhumane too?

>
>> Thirdly there have already been bad experience as you have pointed 
>> out. It is a matter of learning from that and see to that history does not 
>> repeat itself when the process of helping displaced persons to their right 
>> places begins. 
>
>Indeed. It is a matter of "learning" that Nazi fruitcakes like you are
>(barely) tolerated -as long as you _remain_ harmless fruitcakes. Open your
>eyes Mr Kreiberg- you have no place in civil society. You are a pariah and
>your beliefs are reprehensible and will be spit upon for generations to
>come until their evil memory fades away. 

 It may be reprehensible to you, but you are not a part of the majority.
If there are something in a democracy like the Danish you do not like
you reject it with the ballot paper. The Danish naziparty that always has
been a legal party has never scored more than 2 per cent of the ballot and
the communist no more than 10 per cent. This is the way you do it in a 
democracy. If people find my message reprehensible they will certainly
show that by the ballot paper. And without a majority in the parliament
I would not be able to implement my plan..
>
>> When ethnic homogeneity is accomplished in as many countries as possible a 
>> much better world has emerged. 
>
>Go for it Nazi scum. Let's see how far you get. 
>
>> Ethnic homogeneity is the future. 
>
>Like in Bosnia or Rawanda? How reassuring. 

 Measures will of course be taken to avoid blodshet and chaos. We have of
course learned from failures elsewhere.

>> Multiracialism sucks.
>
>That's just because you're a loser, Mr Kreiberg. A maladroit. 
>
 Am I a looser, because I do not believe in multirecialism? Please try to 
elaborate.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 24 12:30:28 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
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In article <321AEB3B.126C@rio.com>, Chuck Ferree  wrote:
>Chuck Ferree wrote:
>
>Yes there are bigots and fanatics among Jews. Why not. They are people 
>too. But Jews as a whole don't promote hatred like you Nazi lovers do.
>> 
Jews are very loud in denouncing the bigotry of other people while being
just as much bigots as everyone else. I am just accusing them of throwing 
stones while they themselves are living in a glasshouse. The Jews or at least 
some of them believe that they are a particular moral people. This is of 
course outright ridiculous. 

>> >Some of them should be shot on sight.
>
>I'd pick and choose which ones. Only the ones who pose an obvious 
>danger to peace in the world.
>> 
>> This is the way a fanatic and bigot think. Are you like that?
>
>No I'm not a bigot or fanatic. I'm just a 72 year old WW-II combat 
>veteran, who hates war, and wishes for peace and brotherly love in the 
>entire world.
>> 
>> >You one of them?
>> 
>> No, I am not a fanatic, but I would regard it the ultimate honour to die in
>> the battle for truth.
>
>Which battle, and which truth?
>From what I read in your writings, you lean toward the Nazi way of 
>thinking, and I'm not calling you a Nazi.

Well the nazis worked hard to wipe out unemployment. Does that mean that
everyone who are strongly in favour of wiping out unemplyment are leaning
toward nazism? Or what about people who like to wear brown clothes and 
in particular brown shirts? I think that we all are leaning toward nazism
on a few points. Hitler believed that the Earth is round. Should we in
order to avoid being counted as nazis state that it is flat?
--
Ole Kreiberg 

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From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 24 12:30:28 PDT 1996
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In article , Howard Eisenberger wrote:
>In article <2u45oOev1C1E065yn@login.dknet.dk>,
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) miswrote:
>>
>>  Hey why would I have to kill anybody? Isn't this world big enough for
>>  all of us? It is just a matter of helping every displaced person to the
>>  place in the world where he naturally belongs ethically. What is wrong
>>  with that?
>
>Ethically? 

I am sorry this was a typo. It should have been ethnically.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


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In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>> Just take a look at the former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Cypruss etc.
>
>Do it. It were racists and nationalists who did start the war and would
>prefer to continue.

You are looking for a scapegoat. Today nationalists and racists are 
scapegoats. The racists and the nationalists are only the symptoms of the
problems, not the cause.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 24 21:13:46 PDT 1996
Article: 59647 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi!
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:48:47 +0100
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In article <4v62nu$snv@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>       What you fail to state is that the citizens of Denmark who you wish 
>to deprive of their citizenship for reasons of race and ethnicity are not 
>"displaced persons."  They are citizens of Denmark.  

They may be formally "Danish" citizens but not Danes. It was an error to
grant them citizenship in the first place. I just want to correct that error.
I will even give them an apology on behalf on those that erronously granted
them citizenship.

>You are not "helping 
>them" for where they "naturally belong" is Denmark.  What you are advocating 
>is a gross violation of basic human rights.  

It is certainly not a basic human right to hold a citizenship to a country
in which you do not belong ethnically.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Aug 25 09:52:46 PDT 1996
Article: 59751 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: When the Nazis return to Denmark...
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:23:11 +0100
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In article <4v3nk0$ev0@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, Matt  Giwer wrote:
>
>       Apparently he sees an assimilation problem.  It is a democracy.  If
>enough see the problem they can find a way to solve it.  
>
So true
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Aug 25 15:59:52 PDT 1996
Article: 59865 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Danish Order Police?
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 23:03:40 +0100
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In article <4vhp25$31a@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, Ken McVay OBC wrote:
>In article , 
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>>Yes composed of voluntary policemen. How can policemen performing policework
>>be regarded as vigilantes? The reason for making the participation in this 
>>work voluntarily is that some policemen may be against it of political or
>>other reasons. 
>
>...which is precisely what the Nazis did... and you wonder why
>folks call you a Nazi, Mr. Kreiberg... amazing, simply
>amazing!

 Yeah the nazis built a lot of expressways and everybody that does so today 
must therefore be nazis according to your logic. The German nazis loved 
Richard Wagner's music. This music is sometimes played in Israel which 
according to your logic may prove that the Israel is nazi country.

>
>You want to strip legitimate citizens of their rights.
>So did the Nazis.

These rights are no longer legitimate when they are abolished.

>
>You want to round them up with volunteer police services.
>So did the Nazis.
>
>You want to lock them up.
>So did the Nazis.
>
I only want to have them locked up if they do not leave the country 
voluntarily. I think that this is the way you normally treat illegal aliens.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Aug 25 15:59:53 PDT 1996
Article: 59882 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Edeiken's weird delusions about vigilantes
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In article <4vf22o$5a0@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>>  In article <4v0439$e0t@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>>  >       None of this changes the basic point, your nazi friend advocated 
>>  >rounding up Danish citizens with a heritage that meets with his disapproval 
>and 
>>  >throwing them into concentration camps.  
>  
>>   I will just cancel their citizenship and then treat them as illegal aliens, 
>>  that is all. The ideal would be to have them deported as quickly as possible 
>>  from those transitcamps
>
>       Which is a clear violation of their rights.
>
  Which rights are you talking about? If they have some legal rights these
will be abolished immediately.
>
>>  
>>  This is an outright lie. I have never advocated the use of vigilantes. 
>>  Prove it or shut up.
>
>       That is your program, nmazi boy.  I'm just reading what you wrote.
>
  Here is the program. Please point out exactly where the use of vigilantes 
are mentioned: 


1. Firstly, a political majority for this solution must be achieved.
I.e. a majority of the population would have voted in advance on one
or more parties which have such a home return in their program. 

2. Next, a suitable legislation will be put into effect in order to
implement the above. It will perhaps on certain occasions be necessary
to have referenda on constitutional changes before the legislation can
be carried through. All international treaties which could be in the
way, will be cancelled immediately. 

3. A special corps made up of volunteers from the police and the
military will be created for the purpose of fighting unrest or the
like in connection with carrying out the plan. 

4. All who do not have a Danish citizenship, and who ethnically and
culturally do not have their roots in Europe (or are descended from
Europeans who live outside Europe), will be expelled to the countries
in which they are citizens after a respite of two years. However, e.g.
70000 crowns plus travel will be granted to those who leave the
country voluntarily within the first year and e.g. 35000 crowns plus
travel will be payed to those who leave the country voluntarily within
the second year. 

5. Next, all citizenships granted after 1965 will be examined. All
persons and their children who fall under the unwanted category
mentioned above, will have their citizenships changed to temporary
B-citizenships. (Persons with double citizenship will however be
deprived of any form of Danish citizenship straight off.) A voluntary
home return arrangement similar to that in point 4, will be offered. 

6. On several desert Danish islands so-called transit camps will be
established for placement of those persons who for one reason or the
or other have not left the country voluntarily within the two year
respite of which they had been informed individually by Danish
authorities. It is very important to state that nobody will be held
against his own will. Everyone can go wherever he or she wishes,
except back to Denmark. The camps will have the status of
international territories under Danish administration. Visits to these
camps by irrelevant persons will only be allowed after applying for a
visa which in practice will be granted only exceptionally. Connected
to the camps there will be special offices which exclusively work at
finding a new country for the transit guests to settle in. Transit
guests who after a long wait in those dreary camps, will think of a
country which will receive them, will have the right to be transferred
within 24 hours to a fenced-off transit hotel, specially constructed
for this purpose, in the Kastrup airport, From there, the persons
concerned will be sent with the first available flight to the country
which will receive them. 
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sun Aug 25 22:29:27 PDT 1996
Article: 59929 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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In article <4vi8vp$h6h@orion.cybercom.net>, Allan Matthews wrote:
>
>Ok, you're a racist fascist, not a Nazi.
>
Fascism is authoritarian too. I am not in favour dictatorship. Even the
word racist is not approbiate here. Racism is defined as a belief that 
one race has the right to rule another race. I certainly do not advocate 
something like that. I just want to have each race to live it's proper 
country. 
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 27 07:31:51 PDT 1996
Article: 60260 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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In article <4vlhp8$6o2@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Rich Graves wrote:

>We should really create a newsgroup for discussing racist totalitarianism
>in general; this is off-topic for alt.revisionism, which is about the
>historical facts of the Holocaust and the people who try to deny them,
>http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/

 Remember I have never brought the discussion about the importance of
creating ethnic homogeneity into this newsgroup. This was originally
done by a member of the Nizkor project by the name John Morris. Yale 
Edeiken has kept the dicussion about this going ever since. If you  
do not like the discussion, then ask Yale Edeiken to shut up.

>
>Since you don't like the Nazis, I presume you recognize that they
>committed some extremely barbaric crimes against humanity? If you're not a
>Nazi, and don't want to rehabilitate the Nazis, why are you here? I
>forget. 
>
 I just want to rehabilitate the truth about nazism that is all. In 
particular because the experience of nazism is used in the anti-racist
propaganda. Sure Nazi Germany was a true totalitarian regime with all the 
ugly features usually connected with such a regime. However I do not think 
that the nazi-regime was worse than various communist regimes such as those 
of Stalin and Pol Pot. 
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 27 20:57:50 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi!
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>> 
>> Opinion polls in Denmark show that 72 per cent of population are against
>> the multiethnic society. Opinion polls made by the European Union show
>> that Denmark is that country where the largest percentage of the population
>> is against the presence of immigrants and "refugees" from the third
>> world.
>
>Amazing then that these very same people let them in isn't it? Ah, the
>appeal of cheap labor wears thin when those "'refugees' from the third
>world" get to stand in front of you in the checkout line, eh, Mr.
>Kreiberg? 
>
 Who wanted the cheap labour? Certainly not the Danish workers. The foreign 
workers came because some employers were looking for short-term profit. 
The government promised that they would be send home as soon as there were 
no longer need for their labour. 

 This is the way the Arab oil-states are treating their foreign workers. 
When there are no more work. They are sent home. When it comes to 
citizenships in a country like Kuwait not even other Arabs that have lived 
for two or three generations in the country can obtain citizenship. This is 
the country you Americans spent billion of dollars and risked American lives 
to "liberate" a few years ago.

>
>> If there are something in a democracy like the Danish you do not like
>> you reject it with the ballot paper. The Danish naziparty that always has
>> been a legal party has never scored more than 2 per cent of the ballot and
>> the communist no more than 10 per cent. This is the way you do it in a 
>> democracy. If people find my message reprehensible they will certainly
>> show that by the ballot paper. And without a majority in the parliament
>> I would not be able to implement my plan..
>
>Umm, Mr. Kreiberg, don't you, er, find something _odd_ with this picture? Like:
>
>"The Danish naziparty that always has been a legal party has never scored
>more than 2 per cent of the ballot..." 

 Sure the Danes regarded nazism as Kraut-stuff. Nazism was German chauvinism. 
Furthermore Hitler said several times that national socialism knows only 
Germany and is not meant for export. Germany was regarded Denmark's 
traditional enemy. Even today Germany is watched with distrust and animosity.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 27 20:57:50 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 22:39:52 +0100
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>And a few choice wars from (Mr. Kreiberg's) home:
>
>The Danish-Swedish War (1506-1512), The Danish Civil Wars (1523-1537), The
>"Count's War" (1533-1536), The Seven Years' War of the North (1563-1570),
>The Dutch War (1675-1679), The Schleswig-Holstein War (1864), 
>
>Source: _The Harper Encyclopedia of Military History_, Fourth Edition.
> 

 Remember that Denmark was _not_ a homogenous country in those days. Norway,
and the whole of Slesvig-Holsten was a part of Denmark. But of course you 
are right. Ethnicity is not the only thing that can create conflicts. 

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Aug 27 20:57:51 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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In article <4voh72$cmm@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>
>       A sample of nazi-boy's non-racism:  "Ayrans stand at the pinnacle of 
>human evolution."
>
 I have never uttered something like that in public. 
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>The Nazi-like ideology and unabashed racism you espouse in your posts
>brand you a Nazi. Simply pointing this out is hardly libel. 

 If you do not advocate dictatorship, militarism and other important parts
of nazism it is libel to be called a nazi. In Denmark, the Danish Association
(Den Danske Forening) that is founded with the purpose of protesting against
immigration and agitating for a general repatriation, has won several libel
cases, where it has been called nazi and even racist. The chairman of 
this association happens to be a law professor. 
>
>So piss off, you miserable, whining little Nazi scumbag. 
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>(Ain't the Internet just great!) 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, in particular if you want to expose yourself as a lowlife verbal thug.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


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In article <4vlmkc$1i6a@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk says...
>
>>The racists and the nationalists are only the symptoms of the
>>problems, not the cause.
>
>Ole, you finally have written something I agree completely with -- though I 
>sense we probably disagree on what the "cause" actually is.  Racism and 
>nationalism, I think, are symptoms of a way of thinking that has created 
>numerous problems for Europe.  

 For Europe? What about Africa and Asia? Are nationalism or racism unknown 
phenomena there? And what about your country, the USA? Historically the USA
is one of the countries where race thinking has been most common. Does the
Ku Klux Klan ring a bell or what about the slogan, the only good Indian 
is a dead Indian?

>It's a socially constructed notion of identity 
>which allows for the construction of an "other" which is defined as being 
>fundamentally different due to national heritage or race.  

Do you want me to believe in that theory? :-D

>It becomes destructive when out of insecurity or fear of difference groups 
>focus on the "other" as being a danger to their way of life or their person.  
>The problems come from fear, insecurity, and a particular way of 
>constructing identity. Racists and nationalists are symptoms of this 
>problem, but they are not the cause.

 I remember when I was a boy 30 years ago racial thinking and nationalism 
were unknown phenomena in Denmark. And do you know why? That was because
Denmark was a total ethnical homogeneous country. When the alien races began
to come in the sixties and seventies racial consciousness and animosity
began to grow in step with these development. The only cure against racism 
is to create ethnic homogeity. Furthermore it is easier to prevent than to 
cure. Therefore every immigration from the third world should be checked 
immediately and reversed.  
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Aug 28 01:29:46 PDT 1996
Article: 84133 of soc.culture.german
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.european-union,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: German hegemony over Europe through the European Union
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 20:32:20 +0100
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In article <321cedc7.25244408@198.59.115.25>, E.F.Schelby wrote:
>
>Yes, what makes a "true Dane?" How about my two sisters, genuine
>_undemocratic_ Germans, who both married Danes and run a business in
>Denmark? Or how about the Bosnian taxi driver with a Danish wife who
>drove me to the airport last time I was in Copenhagen? 
>
 Germans are Europeans ethnically and culturally and can thus be absorbed
without leaving any trace as long as they come in only small numbers. 
With big numbers it is of course different. Just try to look at the history
of Slesvig. Here it succeed in the Middle Ages for the Germans to immigrate 
in such big numbers that the original Danes little by little became 
outnumbered which later led to two tragic wars in 1848 and 1864 and the 
division of Slesvig between Denmark and Germany.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Aug 28 09:53:10 PDT 1996
Article: 84173 of soc.culture.german
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
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In article <4vphu0$1i56@sol.caps.maine.edu>, Scott Erb wrote:
>In article Ole Krieberg writes...
>
>>You are lying and distorting right now. I have never promoted any NS 
>>propaganda. I have just critisized and challenged the established 
>>historiography concerning fate of the Jews in the German concentration
>>camps during WW2. For that I have been libeled and called a Nazi.
>
>No Ole, you've been labeled a Nazi because you have admitted you are a 
>racist, you've claimed you doubt the holocaust happenend, and you've posted 
>defenses of Nazi and neo-Nazi people.
>
>Even though I'll attack the inappropriate labeling of people, such as what 
>happened to Sharon Henderson, you can't jump on that bandwagen.  It's just 
>sad that after seeing posters like you, people like Sven start imagining nazi 
>ideologies in others as well.  But that's really fitting in with your agenda, 
>isn't it, Ole?
>
>I'll give you a chance...you have claimed to be a racist, and defended 
>neo-nazi individuals.  If you are not a nazi, what are you?  Be honest and 
>don't avoid the question.

 This is very simple. I am a Danish nationalist that wants to preserve the
sovereignty of my country and recreate it's ethnic homogeity by a general 
repatriation of people that ethnically and culturally are not a part 
of Europe. 

  I certainly do not want to introduce dictatorship, militarism or 
expand the territory. I even want to preserve the social welfare state and 
I detest the idea of social darwinism. So you can see it is quite obvious
why I cannot be called a nazi. Furthermore Hitler said several times that
national socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for export.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Aug 28 12:06:00 PDT 1996
Article: 60618 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi!
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In article , Daniel Keren wrote:
>Unterschardummkopf olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
># Am I a looser, because I do not believe in multirecialism?
>
>No. You're a loser because you were born 50 years too
>late and missed all the fun.
>
>Now bugger off, nazi-boy.
>
>
Hey you forget that I am not German. If I had lived in those days, how 
could I have been on the German side without being regarded as a traitor by 
my own people? There were 200000 enemy soldiers in my country but less than 
10000 Jews. Which of those two groups would I have regarded the greatest 
menace? 
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Wed Aug 28 16:17:37 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.german
Subject: Re: It is libel to call me a nazi.
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In article <4vo6hd$9d4@news.enter.net>, Yale F. Edeiken wrote:
>>   olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
>>   You seem to be ignorant of what nazism was. Nazism was a particular German
>>  phenomena.
>
>       Wrong.  It was a world wide movement.  There were and are nazi parties 
>in several countried including the U.S.

 But they were and are insignificant copycat parties. Nazism has never been 
in the political mainstream in the USA, Denmark or any other Non-German 
country. A few people in the USA and Denmark may have become fascinated by 
Hitler and his third Reich the same way that a few people in Denmark and the 
USA did become fascinated by Mao Tse Tung and the Chinese cultural 
revolution.

>
>
>> Hitler said several times that national socialism knows only
>>  Germany and is not meant for export.
>
>       Wrong.  

He did say that. Take a look on his last speech from 1945. 

> He tried to export it.

Where to? Show me just one attempt to nazify my country during WW2. The
Germans saw themselves as the master people (The Herrenvolk) who was 
supposed to rule over large parts of Europe. Therefore they were met 
with heavy resentment and hostility everywhere.  

>> Nazi race science as you call it was 
>>  not invented by the nazis. The idea of an Aryan superior race comes from 
>>  the French writer and diplomat Arthur de Gobineau. In his four volume work, 
>>  An Essay on the Inequality of the Human Races, this allegation is made. 
>>  Hitler was basically a nonentity as philosoffer.
>
>       It was the nazis who adopted it and "improved" it. 

  They rather distorted it in order to make it fit into their megalomaniac 
idea of the Germans as a masterrace.

>
>>  >>   However, I am against the immigration from the third world and multi-ethnic 
>>  >>  society. Not so many years ago marriage between people of different races 
>>  >>  were forbidden in several states in the USA, and there was racial 
>>  >>  segregation. Were those Americans that supported and wanted this kind of 
>>  >>  legislation against the American constitution and in favour of dictatorship? 
>>  >>  Were they "nazis"?
>
>>  >       Yes, many were.
> 
>>  But how many? 3, 4  or 200. Not a significant number anyhow.
>
>       Wrong.  There were several million members of the America First 
>movement -- a nazi front organization.

 Did the America First movement want to abolish the American constitution 
and make the USA into a dictatorship. If not, you do not have the right to
call them nazis.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Aug 29 00:52:15 PDT 1996
Article: 84199 of soc.culture.german
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: German hegemony over Europe through the European Union
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In article <4vqo6o$7dq@news.bellglobal.com>, royp@headwaters.com wrote:
>Please send any E-mail replies to yku02154@yorku.ca.  Thanks.
>
>In , olk@login.dknet.dk
> (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
>>In article , Martin Paegert wrote:
>>>
>>>Concerning the EG and borders there seem to be a majority of Danes that,
>>>although sceptical, do think different. Anyhow, if you succeed to convince
>>>the majority of Danes that it would be better to leave the EG, Denmark
>>>could just do so.
>>>
>>Have you forgotten about the referenda in 1992 and 1993. Denmark has got
>>four exemptions:
>>
>>1. No common citizensship
>>2. No common military
>>3. No common currency
>>4. No common central bank
>>
>> The Danes have nothing against trade cooperation and friendly relations,
>>but they can see no advantage in giving up sovereignty. The politicians
>>promised us in seventies that there would be no union or attempt to create a 
>>united Europe. Now serious attempts are made to carry out this nightmare 
>>vision.  
>
>Is it your view that Denmark should *NOT* be part of the EU and
>go on alone separate?  

It is not only my view but the view of the Danish electorate (see above).

>If so, don't you see that such a decision would
>be ridiculous?!?  Denmark is a country of about 5 million (approx.), yes?

Yes like Switzerland. Switzerland is the wealthiest and most polical stable
country in Europe, and it has never been member of the EU. The same goes for 
Norway. If these two countries can get along well outside the EU, so can 
Denmark.

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Thu Aug 29 00:56:51 PDT 1996
Article: 60732 of alt.revisionism
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , schwartz@infinet.co wrote:
>In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren)
>wrote:
>
>> Unterschardummkopf olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>> 
>> # Am I a looser, because I do not believe in multirecialism?
>> 
>> No. You're a loser because you were born 50 years too
>> late and missed all the fun.
>> 
>> Now bugger off, nazi-boy.
>
>Not to mention the fact that it is:
> 
>loser, not looser
> 
>multiracialism, not multirecialism
> 
>Sara
>
 Who have we got here? Isn't it the great grammarian, Sara Schwartz. Sarah 
was number one in spelling in her class at highschool, and now she thinks 
that this makes her much smarter than us stupid goyim. ;-)

--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 31 10:04:50 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Holocaust revisionism
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In article <4vrq45$nkf@hades.rz.uni-sb.de>, Stefan Schneider wrote:
>In article , olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole 
>Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>>It is true that the Danish authorities extradited Gary Lauck after German
>>pressure and out of fear that Denmark might become a heaven for German
>>extremists. I think that this extradition was meant as a political signal 
>>to German extremists to stay away from Denmark.  
>
>I guess they do that, because they feel like having enough trouble with 
>their own extremists.
>
 There are not problems with extremists in Denmark. Denmark is like the USA
a very old and deeply rooted democracy, and people do not become paranoid 
and hysterical like in Germany because of an insignificant number of 
extremists. In Denmark even the extremists are law-abiding, and terrorism as
in Germany is virtually unknown. The political climate is very different 
>from  the one in Germany and has always been and should for ever remain
that way. 

  The Danish people wants of course the same amount of freedom of speech
as in the USA. It is a scandal that the Germans bullied Denmark into
extraditing an American citizen to Germany for having violated the limited 
freedom of speech in Germany, and it is a hostile act to the Danish people 
that Germany through the EU wants limit the freedom of speech in Denmark 
because Germany has problem with it's past. Allthough only a few Danes may 
share my point of view concerning the holocaust I cannot imagine anyone that 
would like to identify themselves with German history or present problems. 
To most people in DK nazism was Kraut stuff and the alleged holocaust was 
Kraut acts and nothing else. 

  Most people in Denmark really do not care much about the holocaust. This 
is the biggest problem in being a revisionist in Denmark. It is very 
difficult to make people interested in the subject. Even patriots and very 
"right winged" people seem to be bored if you speak to them about 
revisionism. I think that this is because they regard this matter only 
relevant to the Germans and the Jews.
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)


From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Aug 31 14:50:34 PDT 1996
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: "I'm _not_ a Nazi!
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In article , Mark Van Alstine wrote:
>
>And, Mr. Kreiberg, who says you're _not_ a traitor to your own "people?"
>(i.e. your fellow Danish citizens.)  In _my_ book you certainky are. 
>
 On the contrary. I have always spoken out against the immigration from 
the third world and the multi-ethnic society. So how could I be regarded
a traitor? During the WW2 a traitor was one that *acted* pro-German. The 
Germans left in 1945. Today the problem is all those people from the ethnic 
minorities from the third world who have "invaded" my country. If you act 
in favour of them you may be ragarded a traitor. 

 After the departure of the Germans in 1945 the Danish nazi-party has not 
been regarded a problem. It was the German occupation that was the problem 
and not so much the political ideology of the Germans. If the Germans had 
been socialdemocrats, monarchist or something else they would have been 
just as unpopular. No one likes to be occupied by a foreign country.

  Furthermore I must emphasize that nobody in Denmark has ever called me
a nazi. It is only American Jews and Germans here on the internet that have
done so. Both the Jews and the Germans seem to be very obsessed with the 
nazi era in Germany. 
--
Ole Kreiberg 

http://login.dknet.dk/~olk (Danish)



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