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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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         Germany is today one of the few countries in Europe, which still
       has political prisoners. The other day a man by the name Althans
       was sentenced to 3 years in prison for committing a thought
       crime. The only thing he did "wrong" was do deny, that the so-
       called "holocaust"  took place.

         To me this shows that the Germans have only changed
       superficially  the last 50 years. Behind the  behind the thin
       veneer of democracy we find the "good" old authoritarian Germans.
       Germany is not a true democracy and will never be. Democracy does
       not fit to German character. Why not admitting it? Hitler said
       national socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for export.
       Rudolph Hess said that Hitler is Germany and Germany is Hitler.
       Yes nazism is an expression of the peculiar German soul. It is no
       use denying that.

         I hereby state: "IT WAS TECHNICAL IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL AND CREMATE
       6 MILLION JEWS IN THE WAY DESCRIBED IN THE ESTABLISHED
       HISTORIOGRAPHY". The reason why you have to imprison people who
       deny the socalled holocaust, is that you are simply not able to
       argue against them in a dignified and democratic manner. I am not
       able to see difference between your democracy and the democracy of
       the former German Democratic Republic (DDR). The German Federal
       republic is a despicable second class democracy.


       Ole Kreiberg

       Denmark









































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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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  You are referring to an article I wrote to soc.culture.german. I
therefore enclose the original article so other users can see, what we are
discussing. I do however worry that people not familiar with the
particular German mentality and nature may not understand the article, the
way it was intended. Therefore I did not originally post it to
alt.revisionism. As soon as I have got the time I shall answer your
follow-up. 



         Germany is today one of the few countries in Europe, which still
       has political prisoners. The other day a man by the name Althans
       was sentenced to 3 years in prison for committing a thought
       crime. The only thing he did "wrong" was do deny, that the so-
       called "holocaust"  took place.

         To me this shows that the Germans have only changed
       superficially  the last 50 years. Behind the  behind the thin
       veneer of democracy we find the "good" old authoritarian Germans.
       Germany is not a true democracy and will never be. Democracy does
       not fit to German character. Why not admitting it? Hitler said
       national socialism knows only Germany and is not meant for export.
       Rudolph Hess said that Hitler is Germany and Germany is Hitler.
       Yes nazism is an expression of the peculiar German soul. It is no
       use denying that.

         I hereby state: "IT WAS TECHNICAL IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL AND CREMATE
       6 MILLION JEWS IN THE WAY DESCRIBED IN THE ESTABLISHED
       HISTORIOGRAPHY". The reason why you have to imprison people who
       deny the socalled holocaust, is that you are simply not able to
       argue against them in a dignified and democratic manner. I am not
       able to see difference between your democracy and the democracy of
       the former German Democratic Republic (DDR). The German Federal
       republic is a despicable second class democracy.


       Ole Kreiberg

       Denmark








































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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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uroessl1@gwdg.de (Ulrich Roessler) writes:


>Regarding Nazi propaganda, the precedence was set in the years 1933-45,
>with some activities in that direction before 1933 and, unfortunately,
>even after 1945. The experience assembled in the years 1933-45 shows
>that Nazism is organized criminality on a scale by no means reached >by
such renowned organizations as the Mafia. If you deplore the out-lawing
>of Neo-Nazi organizations why not urge us Germans to open freely bureaus
>for the spread of the ideology of any _Cosa Nostra_ as well?  >Or do you
propose advertisments for torture and mass-murder >as a signum of freedom? 





       I think it is a little far out to compare the German nazi-
       government with the mafia. I do not think that everything the
       German government did, was wrong. Was it wrong to built all those
       expressways in the thirties? The first law the nazi-government
       passed had to do with animal-protection. Was there anything wrong
       with that? In my opinion you can only make certain specific acts
       criminal. You cannot make a political ideology criminal. All
       people know what crime is, and what political suppression is. The
       former dictator Pinochet in Chile tried to make it a crime to be a
       Marxist, but the Chilean people was of course well aware that this
       was sheer political repression and nothing else. Stalin and other
       communist dictators made it a crime to be against communism, but
       still in the awareness of most people it was political suppression
       and nothing else. Political suppression of the kind you find in
       Germany today does not belong in a true democracy.

       The problem with Germany and the democracy is that it has been
       imposed from outside by the Allies as a consequence of the German
       defeat in WW2. Something like that was the case with the Weimar-
       constitution too. The German democracy became in the twenties
       equal to weakness, defeat and national wrong.

         In my opinion Hitler was a product of his time and the history
       of his country. I think that there would have been a second world
       war anyhow with or without Hitler and nazism. The preconditions
       were already there. I rather regard WW1 and WW2 as one war - part
       one and part two. The Versailles Treaty did not solve the problems
       which caused WW1, and thus did not really finish it. It rather
       created new problems. All these things led to the take over by
       Hitler and the outbreak of the second world war.


       Ole Kreiberg



































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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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  I have found an article in an English pamphlet titled "Holocaust" News. 
Although I must strongly emphasize, that the content in this article does
not necessarily reflect my own views, I think that it is a very good
eye-opener for newcomers to revisionism. The pamphlet itself is more than
10 years old: 

        "MASS GASSINGS" ACCOUNTS ARE SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE 

  Central to the claim that six million Jews were "systematically 
exterminated" by the Nazis in "death camps" is the following commomly accepted
description of how the "gassings" were carried out:

"Hundreds - sometimes thousands - of victims were herded into the chamber 
which released hydrogen cyanid fumes killing the occupants in a matter of 
minutes. 
  Immediately afterwards attendants - often smoking and eating and not
wearing any gas masks or other protective clothing - would drag the corpses
out of the chamber and would immediately begin searching the mouths and other 
orifices of the corpses for gold and other valuables."
 This process is scientifically impossible.

                             ASK A CHEMIST

  Any chemist will tell you - ask one! - that hyfrogen cyanid gas clings to 
surfaces and persists in crevices and orifices to such an extent that it would
be lethal for unprotected persons to open and enter a gas chamber, let alone 
remove bodies and search them, for at least 20 hours after the chamber and 
its contents had been thouroughly been ventilated.
  Yet according to "holocaust" stories, in camps like Auschwitz Jews were 
being exterminated in gas chambers at the rate of 1000 an hour!
  Hydrogen cyanid gas, from Zyklon B (1), was used by the Germans - 
and other cambatants in the war - for delousing clothing. This 
process is clearly described in German and French army regulation:
  Firstly, the clothing was hung on racks in chambers.
  Secondly, the Zyklon B was poured into the chambers. 
  Thirdly, the chamber was sealed and put under armed guard for a period of
hours while the fumigation process took place.
  Fourthly, specially-trained men, wearing gas masks and full protective
clothing, would unseal the chamber, where upon the chamber would be ventilated
- still under armed guard - for at least 20 hours.
  Fifthly, the men would return - still wearing gas masks and full protective
clothing - and test the chamber for remaining traces of gas,
  Sixthly, the de-loused clothing would be removed from the chamber and 
thoroughly beaten to remove the last persistent traces of gas.

                           THE AMERICAN WAY

  In the USA, hydrogen cyanide gas has been used for the executions. The 
procedure, as laid down by law (to effect the death of the convict without 
endangering the prison staff!) is as follows:
  Firstly, the convict is strapped down in a chair in a small chamber.
  Secondly, the chamber is sealed.
  Thirdly, sodium cyanid crystals are poured into a container of 
sulphuric acid. This quickly releases large quantities of hydrogen cyanide
gas which kills the convict within a matter of seconds.
  Fourthly, the chamber is then flushed with ammonia gas which reacts with 
the hydrogen cyanid gas to form harmless crystals. 
  Fifthly, indicators are used to check that the chamber is no longer lethal.
  Sixthly, attendants (wearing gas masks and protective clothing) enter the  
chamber through an air-lock and brush the convict's hair and clothing to
dislodge any gas which may still adhering to them. 

                         GUARDS EVACUATED

  Seventhly, the attendants leave and reseal the chamber and air pumps blow 
the atmospheric contents of the chamber out through a high chimney. During
this process guards in  watch-towers are evacuated to ground level.
  Eigthly, the convict's corpse is left left in the chamber for a further 
hour.
  Ninethly, the convict's corpse is removed from the chamber which there
after is thouroughly hosed down.
  If we contrast the claims concerning the alleged method for "gassing 
millions of Jews" with the delousing method actually adopted by the French
and German armies and the execution methods of the U.S. penal authorities it
may readily be seen that the "Six Million gassed Jews" story is 
scientifically impossible and utterly bogus. 


1) Zyklon B is hydrogen cyanid gas absorbed in diatomite (a porous powder). 
Gas is released slowly (hours) because of the nature of the absorbing  
substance. This slowness is another reason for it's inadequacy as an agent
mass gassing.

Tech ref: Sammlung Chemischer & CHemisher Technischer Vortrage. Library of
Congress ref ... 1933)75 p.p.







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In article <43fut9$ib0@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, JWCCTI1 wrote:
>
>>       The
>>       former dictator Pinochet in Chile tried to make it a crime to be a
>>       Marxist, but the Chilean people was of course well aware that this
>>       was sheer political repression and nothing else.
>
>And guess which European dictator Augusto Pinochet is most often compared
>with!  I shall give you a broad hint.  His outlaw regime occupied Denmark
>in World War II. 

I think the late General Franco of Spain would be the European dictator who 
reminds me most of Pinochet. Sure it was not a legal act by the Germans to 
invade and occupy Denmark militarily. However other parts of the then Danish 
kingdom namely Iceland, The Faroe Islands and Greenland were occupied from the 
same reasons by the Allies, that is military strategical reasons. After the 
war the Americans left Iceland only after difficult negotiations, and they
still today have a military base there.  
  Remember how many invasions in foreign countries the USA has participated
in. The USA kicks around with it's smaller Latin-American neighbours, 
as it likes. The American president Theodore Roosevelt from 1901-09 
formulated the US policy toward these hapless countries this way: Speak 
softly and carry a big stick. What have these small countries done to the 
USA? All these American invasions I regard as criminal acts and nothing else. 
I know that you will say that the USA is only trying to "help" these 
countries. Sure contemporary Nazi-German propaganda films show how the 
good Germans were helping the Poles. 

>
>Well, you're pretty uninformed for a next-door neighbor of Germany.  There
>is scarce little resemblance between Germany of today and the Weimar days.
>Germany doesn't have any unmanageable foreign debt burden --- despite the
>tremendous cost of absorbing the east --- such as it had in the 1920s. 
>Life is stable, and everybody knows that there'll be a tomorrow.  In the
>west, the standard of living is on a par with or exceeds that of the
>United States, which by some accounts is the most affluent nation in the
>world.

Maybe I did not make myself clear enough. What I am trying to say, is that 
where it in countries like the USA and Denmark were the people who wanted  
democracy and demanded it from the rulers, it came to the Germans from the 
outside by their enemies from the wars. (The Americans even have to a war 
against the British rulers to attain their democracy). This fact concerning 
Germany, I think, makes the democracy more potential unstable there.

Ole Kreiberg


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  I have found an article in an English pamphlet titled "Holocaust" News. 
Although I must strongly emphasize, that the content in this article does
not necessarily reflect my own views, I think that it is a very good
eye-opener for newcomers to revisionism. The pamphlet itself is more than
10 years old: 

        "MASS GASSINGS" ACCOUNTS ARE SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE 

  Central to the claim that six million Jews were "systematically 
exterminated" by the Nazis in "death camps" is the following commomly accepted
description of how the "gassings" were carried out:

"Hundreds - sometimes thousands - of victims were herded into the chamber 
which released hydrogen cyanid fumes killing the occupants in a matter of 
minutes. 
  Immediately afterwards attendants - often smoking and eating and not
wearing any gas masks or other protective clothing - would drag the corpses
out of the chamber and would immediately begin searching the mouths and other 
orifices of the corpses for gold and other valuables."
 This process is scientifically impossible.

                             ASK A CHEMIST

  Any chemist will tell you - ask one! - that hyfrogen cyanid gas clings to 
surfaces and persists in crevices and orifices to such an extent that it would
be lethal for unprotected persons to open and enter a gas chamber, let alone 
remove bodies and search them, for at least 20 hours after the chamber and 
its contents had been thouroughly been ventilated.
  Yet according to "holocaust" stories, in camps like Auschwitz Jews were 
being exterminated in gas chambers at the rate of 1000 an hour!
  Hydrogen cyanid gas, from Zyklon B (1), was used by the Germans - 
and other cambatants in the war - for delousing clothing. This 
process is clearly described in German and French army regulation:
  Firstly, the clothing was hung on racks in chambers.
  Secondly, the Zyklon B was poured into the chambers. 
  Thirdly, the chamber was sealed and put under armed guard for a period of
hours while the fumigation process took place.
  Fourthly, specially-trained men, wearing gas masks and full protective
clothing, would unseal the chamber, where upon the chamber would be ventilated
- still under armed guard - for at least 20 hours.
  Fifthly, the men would return - still wearing gas masks and full protective
clothing - and test the chamber for remaining traces of gas,
  Sixthly, the de-loused clothing would be removed from the chamber and 
thoroughly beaten to remove the last persistent traces of gas.

                           THE AMERICAN WAY

  In the USA, hydrogen cyanide gas has been used for the executions. The 
procedure, as laid down by law (to effect the death of the convict without 
endangering the prison staff!) is as follows:
  Firstly, the convict is strapped down in a chair in a small chamber.
  Secondly, the chamber is sealed.
  Thirdly, sodium cyanid crystals are poured into a container of 
sulphuric acid. This quickly releases large quantities of hydrogen cyanide
gas which kills the convict within a matter of seconds.
  Fourthly, the chamber is then flushed with ammonia gas which reacts with 
the hydrogen cyanid gas to form harmless crystals. 
  Fifthly, indicators are used to check that the chamber is no longer lethal.
  Sixthly, attendants (wearing gas masks and protective clothing) enter the  
chamber through an air-lock and brush the convict's hair and clothing to
dislodge any gas which may still adhering to them. 

                         GUARDS EVACUATED

  Seventhly, the attendants leave and reseal the chamber and air pumps blow 
the atmospheric contents of the chamber out through a high chimney. During
this process guards in  watch-towers are evacuated to ground level.
  Eigthly, the convict's corpse is left left in the chamber for a further 
hour.
  Ninethly, the convict's corpse is removed from the chamber which there
after is thouroughly hosed down.
  If we contrast the claims concerning the alleged method for "gassing 
millions of Jews" with the delousing method actually adopted by the French
and German armies and the execution methods of the U.S. penal authorities it
may readily be seen that the "Six Million gassed Jews" story is 
scientifically impossible and utterly bogus. 


1) Zyklon B is hydrogen cyanid gas absorbed in diatomite (a porous powder). 
Gas is released slowly (hours) because of the nature of the absorbing  
substance. This slowness is another reason for it's inadequacy as an agent
mass gassing.

Tech ref: Sammlung Chemischer & CHemisher Technischer Vortrage. Library of
Congress ref ... 1933)75 p.p.







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In article <43fut9$ib0@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, JWCCTI1 wrote:
>
>>       The
>>       former dictator Pinochet in Chile tried to make it a crime to be a
>>       Marxist, but the Chilean people was of course well aware that this
>>       was sheer political repression and nothing else.
>
>And guess which European dictator Augusto Pinochet is most often compared
>with!  I shall give you a broad hint.  His outlaw regime occupied Denmark
>in World War II. 

I think the late General Franco of Spain would be the European dictator who 
reminds me most of Pinochet. Sure it was not a legal act by the Germans to 
invade and occupy Denmark militarily. However other parts of the then Danish 
kingdom namely Iceland, The Faroe Islands and Greenland were occupied from the 
same reasons by the Allies, that is military strategical reasons. After the 
war the Americans left Iceland only after difficult negotiations, and they
still today have a military base there.  
  Remember how many invasions in foreign countries the USA has participated
in. The USA kicks around with it's smaller Latin-American neighbours, 
as it likes. The American president Theodore Roosevelt from 1901-09 
formulated the US policy toward these hapless countries this way: Speak 
softly and carry a big stick. What have these small countries done to the 
USA? All these American invasions I regard as criminal acts and nothing else. 
I know that you will say that the USA is only trying to "help" these 
countries. Sure contemporary Nazi-German propaganda films show how the 
good Germans were helping the Poles. 

>
>Well, you're pretty uninformed for a next-door neighbor of Germany.  There
>is scarce little resemblance between Germany of today and the Weimar days.
>Germany doesn't have any unmanageable foreign debt burden --- despite the
>tremendous cost of absorbing the east --- such as it had in the 1920s. 
>Life is stable, and everybody knows that there'll be a tomorrow.  In the
>west, the standard of living is on a par with or exceeds that of the
>United States, which by some accounts is the most affluent nation in the
>world.

Maybe I did not make myself clear enough. What I am trying to say, is that 
where it in countries like the USA and Denmark were the people who wanted  
democracy and demanded it from the rulers, it came to the Germans from the 
outside by their enemies from the wars. (The Americans even have to a war 
against the British rulers to attain their democracy). This fact concerning 
Germany, I think, makes the democracy more potential unstable there.

Ole Kreiberg


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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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elias@rhi.hi.is (Elias Halldor Agustsson) [from Iceland] writes:


>Now can I ask you: how many Danes were killed in action during the German
>invasion, how many Danes were murdered by the Nazi goons and how many
>Danes emigrated to freedom (mostly over the channel to Sweden, which they
>had to do furtively) ? 





        Around 1000 people died in Denmark due to the occupation, and
       couple of thousand died outside Denmark mostly as voluntaries in
       the Waffen-SS. 472 Danish Jews were deported to Theresienstadt,
       where 43 died. The rest escaped to Sweden.

         Yes Iceland was occupied by the British for some years,  but
       have you forgotten how long time, it was occupied by Denmark? The
       answer is almost 600 years. For even longer time a part of Germany
       called Holstein was under Danish rule. Norway came under the
       Danish crown in 1380 together with Iceland. Can you tell us a
       little about, how it was to be under Danish rule, please? I know
       only little of Icelandic history. From what I have heard, the
       children of Iceland were not even allowed to speak their own
       language in the breaks between classes at school. Another story is
       Greenland which today still is under Danish rule.
         Okay It was not nice of Germany to occupy Denmark, I agree. If
       we go back in history to the Middle Ages, Denmark 5 times burnt
       down the Hanseatic capital of Lbeck (a city in Northern Germany)
       and kept it occupied from 1203-25. Further back in the ages of the
       wikings Denmark succeeded in something that the Germans never
       managed namely to conquer England. The Normans which succeeded,
       the Danes as rulers in Britain, were descendants of Danish-
       Norwegian settlers in Normandy in France. Normans were the French
       name for Scandinavians.
         To me WW2 is only history, and if you as an Icelander thinks
       that Denmark deserves pity for those five years of German
       occupation, you are welcome.

       Ole Kreiberg





From olk@login.dknet.dk Mon Sep 18 06:36:23 PDT 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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elias@rhi.hi.is (Elias Halldor Agustsson) writes:


>>       only little of Icelandic history. From what I have heard, the >>
children of Iceland were not even allowed to speak their own >> language
in the breaks between classes at school. Another story is

>If such was the case at any time in the history of Iceland, the required 
>language would have been Latin, never Danish (which, to my knowledge, was 
>never used for instruction).

>elias

Maybe it was in the Faroe Islands then. I am pretty much sure that the 
Faroe Islanders never were allowed to us their own language at school.

Why do you not want tell us how it was to be under Danish rule for so many
years? I have always wondered how the Danish rule there was in comparison to
the British rule in Ireland. Was Denmark better or worse than the British?
Sure there were never any violence of significance. Was it just because the
Icelanders were more docile than the Irish or what? I am so curious to hear. 

Ole Kreiberg


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 19 15:29:05 PDT 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: The reason I defend the nazis
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cacst9+@pitt.edu (Cecelia A Clancy) writes:


>To search his files for information on Kreiberg, 

>http://nizkor.almanac.bc.ca/pub/people/k

>Also look at his works in progress file - there might be something
>on Kreiberg that he is working on there.



        :-D Wauw that was really the most frenzied attack, you made on
       me. I am called a Jew-hater and a lot of other things, just
       because I am expressing dissident views on parts of contemporary
       German history. I have even been enlisted in your file of your
       most hated persons. Yeah, you really hate me, don't you.:-D

         However I think that in a constitutional democracy even the
       worst criminal has a right to defend himself and to have counsel
       for the defense. I regard myself as a self-appointed counsellor
       for the defense of the accused and convicted at the Nuremberg-
       court. Just as lawyer defending a bank-robber does not have to be
       a bank-robber or even sympathizing the slightest with bank-robbing
       himself, I cannot see why I should hate the Jews, just because my
       "clients", the German Nazis from WW2 did so. One of the reasons,
       why I have chosen these Nazis as my "clients", is that I am so
       sick and tired to be confronted with the so-called holocaust in
       the massmedia. Really I think that the holocaust is only matter
       between the Germans and the Jews. I got so enraged when I read in
       a newspaper that German politicians  (Klaus Hnsch was one them)
       wanted Denmark to make laws about what people in Denmark should be
       allowed to think about contemporary German history. How dare they
       try to export the German guilt to Denmark. Even the Jews agree
       that Denmark did not participate in the holocaust.
         I also become enraged every time I hear the allegation, that the
       holocaust was a culmination of the Western culture. This is in my
       opinion to defame the memory all the Allied soldiers and members
       of the resistance in occupied European countries who lost their
       lives in defeating Nazi-Germany. I think it would be more correct
       to say that the struggle against Nazi-Germany was a culmination of
       the Western culture. Nazism which I regard as particular German
       thing, was rather a deviation from the Western culture. Because
       (some) Jews are trying instil guilt in other Western people than
       the Germans because of the alleged, I am very angry with the Jews
       and very open to revisionist point of views.

       Ole Kreiberg


       On how the [undesired] truth is received: "First it is ridiculed,
       then fought violently, just to be finally accepted as self-
       evident" -  Arthur Schopenhauer

       "You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free"
       - John 8.32

       "Truth alone triumphs" Mundaka Upanisad 3.1.6


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 22 18:56:12 PDT 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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Subject: Re: The reason I defend the nazis
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In article <43nf0c$jm6@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, John Morris wrote:
>
>>        :-D Wauw that was really the most frenzied attack, you made on
>>       me. I am called a Jew-hater and a lot of other things, just
>>       because I am expressing dissident views on parts of contemporary
>>       German history. I have even been enlisted in your file of your
>>       most hated persons. Yeah, you really hate me, don't you.:-D
>
>The Nizkor files on you consist entirely of your posts to various
>newsgroups on the subject of the Holocaust. Please explain how that
>constitutes hatred.

Yeah, Maybe I should just be flattered that you have found my humble writing
worthy for your file. :-D
>
>
>Why bother defending people convicted of crimes almost 50 years ago?
>They had their defenders then, and they were still convicted. And why
>Nazis? Isn't Al Capone or John Dillinger just as worthy of your
>defense?

No, under no circumstances do I regard the Nazis as common criminals. They 
were idealists like the majority of the communists who believed that their 
cause was the right way to a better world. It is a cheap argument to compare 
them to common criminals, although they may seem so from a Jewish point of 
view.
>
>
>"So-called holocaust" is it? It doesn't sound to me like your motives
>are so very pure. You are not simply a defender of the poor, old
>Nazis, but a denier of their crimes.
>
According to the Danish penal code it is not an offense to deny a crime, 
which means that the accused will receive the same penalty, whether he 
pleads guilty or not. I think that this is the case in all constitutional 
democracies except in obscure Germany which is not, as I have stated before, 
a true democracy. A lawyer of the defense has the right to assert that his
client is innocent, if he finds the evidence against him insufficient. I
do find the technical evidence insufficient in the largest homicide case in
history namely the case of the alleged murder of 6 million Jews, and in a 
constitutional democracy the technical evidence weigths heavier than 
eyewitness reports. Do you have the identity of the 6 million Jews? Can you   
show me just one autopsy report proving that somebody actually died from
hydrogen-cyanid poisoning? Do you have 6 million death bodies? You have even 
difficulties in convincing me and others that the alleged murder weapon was
able to kill so many people in such a short time.  


>
>That's just stupid. By the same token, should I be angry with blacks
>and open to racist ideas just because somebody points out that slavery
>in North America was a bad thing? Maybe we should just ignore history
>altogether if it's going to make us feel bad. Did you ever think that
>it might be possible *not* to take everything you read or hear about
>history so personally?

If the White North Americans want to feel guilty, because of the Negro 
slavery many years ago, it must be their problem. However I will strongly 
object to the idea of sharing that guilt with them, because I have the same 
skincolour, as they have. And what about yourself as a Canadian. Do you feel
any moral obligation to feel guilty and let your heart bleed, because of
the fact that a part of your neighbour country had Negro slavery more than
hundred years ago?


Ole Kreiberg


From olk@login.dknet.dk Fri Sep 22 18:56:13 PDT 1995
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From: olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg)
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In article , Staffan Friberg wrote:
>
>Mr. Krieberg, when are you going to answer the questions about the cremation
>of bodies in Auschwitz? You have made and assertion that has clearly been
>demonstrated as being wrong. Do you agree that you were wrong? or are you
>going to defend your statments in any way?
>
>Ignoring the problem won't help you.
>
What is the questions, I have not answered, please? John Morris and Daniel 
Keren are basing their assertations on some material, I do not have asses to,
so it is a little difficult for me to form a view about this.

And now to something else especially for the Germans in soc.culture.german.
If you are interesting in reading for yourself all the thoughts, your crazy
government has forbidden, you should takes a closer look at:

  http://www.kaiwan.com/~greg.ihr

I can especially recommend the article by the Japanese journalist Masanori
Nishioka. Japan is like Denmark and USA a free country without a thought- 
police such as the one, you have in Germany. In Germany you no longer call it  
Gestapo or Stasi but prefere the name Verfassungschutz (Constitution 
protection).

Ole Kreiberg




From olk@login.dknet.dk Sat Sep 23 20:34:59 PDT 1995
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>
>Ole Kreiberg is confused about Danish/Icelandic history as he is of the 
>Holocaust. That there was no violence of any significance under Danish 
>rule is as odd as saying that the mass murders at Auswitz were 
>"technically impossible", as kreiberg does in his "message" to the German 
>government. Forced amputation (without anaesthesia) for minor thefts, 
>drowning of women at Thingvellir, hangings at Thingvellir etc., not to 
>mention life imprisonments at Bremerholm or Kronenborg castle were not 
>exactly Sunday school, and do constitute significant violence. 

This kind of justice was common in those days in all European countries. The  
above mentioned penitentiaries were in fact teeming with Danish prisoners.
When I talk about violence, I meant violence against the Danish rule.   

>during the 16.th and 17th centuries. I think that the best thing that can 
>be said about the Danish Empire is that it was sort of like Ole Kreibergs 
>understanding of history; rather short on substance. Personally, I would 
>have preferred British rule, and their greater ability in trade, 
>commerce, science, administration, and not to mention British common law, 
>instead of the heritage of absolute monarchy which we still have in our 
>law books. 

What would have been so attractive by British rule? Ask any Irishman. Ireland
is today counted among the poorest nations in Europe, while Iceland is counted
among one of wealthiest. What is it you are whining about? The BNP per 
capita in Denmark today is almost twice as high in Britain. Why has not their 
"greater ability in trade, commerce, science, administration" as you call it 
helped them to same standard of living as in Denmark. 
  
>the ideal. The only reason we had Danish rule this long is because the 
>British were willing to put up with it and felt it was in their interest, 
>although they had considerable influence (often for the better) here when 
>they felt it was needed. 

Yeah, Why would any body except the Danes be stupid enough to become burdened 
with that cold sheep station at the end of the world. :-)

>But of course the country needed some connection 
>to the outside world, so Danish rule had some benefits. We learned useful 
>things about fishing and the seafood industry from the British, and 
>little from the Danes, and the Danes banned trade with the British and 
>other foreigners for a long time. The economic consequences, including 
>starvation at times, were considerable.  But this is definitely not 
>"politically correct" Nordic historiography ;-)

It is not correct at all. First of all you learned a lot if not everything 
>from  the Danes, because all schools of higher learning were in Denmark. If an 
Icelander wanted to educate himself, he had to go Denmark. When I visited 
Iceland 20 years ago all Icelanders were able to speak fluently Danish, and 
that they have learned in school in order to prepare them for an education in 
Denmark. How come that people in the Shetland Islands often deplore that they 
did not remained under Danish rule? In particular when they see the high 
standard of living that the lavish Danish taxpayers have supplied the Faroe 
Islands with, and which the Faroe Islanders unfortunately seem to have 
squandered away recently.
  
Ole Kreiberg


From olk@login.dknet.dk Tue Sep 26 11:58:11 PDT 1995
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In article <442t3u$e5f@eldborg.rhi.hi.is>, Thor Eysteinsson wrote:
>
>No, no and no. This was primarily a Danish speciality.  
Nonsens
>Even the German members of the garrison at kroneborg castle (built by 
>slave labour) were agash by the cruelty, stupidity and drunkenness of 
>their Danish colleagues; dead bodies were left to rot for weeks, and the 
>stench from the torture chambers were unbearable, particularly after 
>"treatment" of Swedish prisoners of war. The "crimes" were things like 
>trading with the "wrong" Danish monopoly merchant (who usually bought 
>his  "priviledge" from the crown) in the "wrong" district, trading with 
>the English, etc. The Danish Empire was a primitive skid-row Empire in 
>decline, administered by stupid twits and alcoholics (and certified 
>lunatics), while the British Empire was on the rise, and administered by 
>civilized people that were usually sober. The British were at the 
>forefront of everything, while the Danes were hopeless, pathetic losers. 

Anti-Danish drivel with no substance. Maybe I should open a thread in 
with the following text: 

        THOR EYSTEINSSON - JUST ANOTHER ICELANDIC DANE-HATER

You certainly do not like Denmark historically, because it ruled your country.  
Norway was under the Danish crown almost the same way as Iceland and they 
prospered. I do not think that Denmark in any way treated Swedish prisoners 
of war worse than the Swedes treated Danish prisoners. After the Swedes had 
stolen the Eastern Danish provinces of Skaane, Halland and Blekinge, they 
wiped out all Danish culture and language in an extremely repressive and 
almost genocidal way. Danish patriots who kept on fighting decades after the 
Swedish conquest - the socalled "snaphaner"  -  were tortured to death in the 
most unspeakable cruel way, if they were caught. Later the Swedes tried to 
conquer the rest of Denmark in which they nearly succeed. However they were 
not able to handle the fortified city of Copenhagen and the Danish navy. 
Even in the most political correct history books you will sometimes read that 
the German army in Denmark during WW2 behaved like the Salvation Army in 
comparison to Swedish army in the Nordic wars. 

And that in your opinion oh so civilized England, what did it do? During the 
Napoleonic wars, they burnt Copenhagen down. They fired newly invented 
incendiaries over the fortifications of the city. This was the first time in 
history this kind of terror against civilians was used. It culminated with 
Dresden in 1945, but in their attack on Copenhagen the British had no 
"Coventry" to justify their attrocity or no "Auschwitz" to overshadow their 
war crime with. Later the British in the Boerwar in South Africa invented 
the concentration camps, in which one fifth of the civilian Boer population 
of Transvaal died. Also thousands of "unreliable" Black South Africans were 
placed in such camps, just because the British out of greed and imperialistic 
ambitions wanted the land and in particular it's goldmines.

England became rich from exploiting it's empire. As soon as it was lost in
fifties and sixthties, England quickly dropped to the level, where it is today.
The reason, why England was so keen to fight against Germany in the world
wars, was in my opinion that it smelled a competitor in the master-race 
business.

  Why did Iceland come under Danish rule in the first place? Because of  
endless internal strife it was not able to rule itself. First it came under 
Norway and when Norway came under the Danish crown, Iceland followed. Without
Danish rule and thereby law and order, Iceland would have gone down the 
drain of history centuries ago. Remember that Iceland was originally settled
by outlaws from Norway - by some of worst elements of society. No wonder that 
they were not able to rule themselves. The reason for all your crap about 
Denmark some hundred years ago, is that you do not like that Denmark was the  
"topdog" and Iceland was the "underdog". These feelings I can easily under- 
stand.
 
   
>Utter rubbish. Those unfortunate to go to the University of copenhagen 
>usually never returned with a diploma,while those who went to other 
>places did. The reason for this is partly because untill very recently 
>there is no fixed date of final exams at that silly place, and you could 
>spend decades without finishing if you were not in favor with the 
>faculty. icelanders are still returning from there under these 
>circumstances. Now the university has adopted the anglo-saxon system of 
>degrees in the natural sciences, so this may change, and people leave in 
>5 years with a British type of PhD, for instance. Academic degrees in 
>Denmark are a chapter on their own, and telling.
>
>
Here you are to some extend right. However what is wrong the Danish
scientists such as Tycho Brahe, Ole Roemer , H C Oersted and Niels Bohr just 
to mention a few. 

Ole Kreiberg















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staff@rabbit.augs.se (Staffan Friberg) writes:



>You have several times made the assertion that it was technically impossible
>to cremate all the people who were murdered in Auschwiz and you have offered
>no other support for this than, correct me if I'm wrong, that a friend of
>yours have talked with someone who works at a local crematorium.

Yes you are wrong. I have already posted several articles about this subject.
I enclose them hereby. When you have read them, then tell me what it is that
I have not answered.

       Article 1


         Dear Mr. Keren may I ask you a couple a technical questions
       concerning your article about burning pits.

       1. How is it possible in a pit to get air and thereby oxygen
       enough to incinerate other than corpses on top . Will not the
       ashes from the bodies on top smother the fire?

       2 We all know from our biology classes in the primary school that
       around 60 per cent of the human body consists of water. How can
       human corpses then burn in such an inferno which you have
       described? The only place in the world, where corpses are burnt in
       open air, is India. According to the Indians it takes a couple of
       hours to burn a corpse on a pyre of firewood. Here the fire comes
       from below and not from above such as in your burning pits.

       3 What is used as fuel for the fire in the burning pits? You also
       write about some highly inflammable human fat which is collected
       from the bottom of the pits. Is human fat more inflammable than
       the fat flowing from pork roasting in an oven? I have always
       learnt that the meat from a pig is biologically very similar to
       human flesh.

         And please Mr. Keren I do not need to read your opinion of
       "revisionazis" or some polemics. Only your technical answers to my
       questions will do.



       Article 2

      
       Daniel Keren - a Holocaust Fundamentalist

         I have already described this sufficiently. To Daniel Keren and
       to most Jews the holocaust seems to be like a holy dogma which may
       not be disbelieved or questioned. Those who try to change
       holocaust history the slightest little bit are evil heretics which
       deserve to be burnt at the stake or at least imprisoned such as in
       despicable second class democracies like France and Germany. No
       matter how weird some of the allegations may seem such as
       collecting human fat in buckets from the bottom of burning pits,
       they must be believed as historical facts. I was told that petrol
       which was very scarce in the German occupied Europe, was applied
       to accelerate the cremation. I was also told that for some reason
       still not clear to me it was possible to get air enough all the
       way down to the bottom of this pit crammed with human corpses. My
       question is now, how is it possible for this inflammable fat to
       pass through an inferno flames to end in the bottom of the pit?
       How do you separate this inflammable fat from the burning
       gasoline, and how do you manage to pull up the buckets through the
       burning inferno without making it burst into fire?



       Article 3


         I know that it takes 75 minutes to cremate a corpse in a modern
       crematorium, and that it takes further 15 minutes, if there is a
       chest too. It takes longer time with type of crematories which was
       in use in the forties in Germany.
         I have often heard the allegation that in Auschwitz it was
       possible to cremate 12000 corses a day in 46 ovens. This would
       mean one corse in less than ten minutes. One of my acquaintances
       knows some of the staff in the local crematorium in the suburb of
       Copenhagen, in which I live. He once asked them after I had become
       interested in holocaust revisionism, if they knew of any way to
       cremate a corpse so quickly. They answered that they have never
       heard of such nonsense. He then asked them of the possibility of
       burning bodies in pits. They then looked at him that if was some
       kind of moron and then they gave him a longer lecture in
       cremation.


       Article 4


       When you burn a corpse in a modern oven you first have to burn
       away the coffin which takes 15 minutes. After that the burning of
       the body itself begin, and this takes further 75 minutes. While
       the coffin is burning the temperature is increased to the maximum
       level. In cremation the ideal is to burn the body in the shortest
       possible time. This makes the best economy. The more bodies a
       crematorium can handle a day the less cost per burning will be.

         I myself want myself to be cremated when time comes, and I
       certainly do not want to have my mortal remnants laying roasting
       for hours. The quicker they are done away the better. In India
       where cremation are made in open on air on a pyre, the exact time
       of cremation often depends on how much firewood the relatives can
       afford. Thus a corpse of a person from a wealthy family is burned
       quicker than one from a poor.

       Ole Kreiberg


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In article , Staffan Friberg wrote:
>
>In article <448tpo$jgu@news.dknet.dk>
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) writes:
>
>> Yes you are wrong. I have already posted several articles about this subject.
>> I enclose them hereby. When you have read them, then tell me what it is that
>> I have not answered.
>
>May I ask when you posted these and to what newsgroups? They haven't reached
>my site yet, interestingly, some responses may have done so since some of the
>postings I'm going to quote deals with exactly the things you are asking.

These postings are from July and August this year. Some of the articles were
answered by Daniel Keren. They were all posted to alt.revisionism only. 

>
>>        Article 1
>> 
>> 
>>          Dear Mr. Keren may I ask you a couple a technical questions
>>        concerning your article about burning pits.
>
>It's Dr. Keren, not Mr. Keren.

Why? Daniel Keren has ph.d. in computer science. Has this much relevance to
the discussion about burning pits.
>
>I was under the impression that you were supposed to answer questions and not
>ask them. Has Dr. Keren responded to these articles? I haven't seen any
>responses from him either.

Yes he has. The first time he did so in a very rude and insolent manner.I 
pointed this out to him in a following article which I have not included.

>
>While there's nothing wrong in asking it's not a good tactic when one is
>supposed to provide answers.

  The first posting I made, were the questions (article 1) to an article by 
Mr. Keren about burning pits. 
>
>Very well, I'll try to provide some answers and then I believe it's your turn
>to come up with some.
> 
>>        1. How is it possible in a pit to get air and thereby oxygen
>>        enough to incinerate other than corpses on top . Will not the
>>        ashes from the bodies on top smother the fire?
>>
>>        2 We all know from our biology classes in the primary school that
>>        around 60 per cent of the human body consists of water. How can
>>        human corpses then burn in such an inferno which you have
>>        described? The only place in the world, where corpses are burnt in
>>        open air, is India. According to the Indians it takes a couple of
>>        hours to burn a corpse on a pyre of firewood. Here the fire comes
>>        from below and not from above such as in your burning pits.
>
>Do you feel that the practice of funeral pyres in India and the mass
>extermination centres in Poland differ in any way, Mr. Kreiberg? If so, why
>are you bringing up this irrelevant piece of information?
>
They certainly differ. There have in India never been burnt corpses in open 
pits. Here the body is placed on top of the pyre which consists of firewood. 
The fire is  coming from beneath. In the burning pits the bodies are  
thrown in first, then petrol is added from above and the fire is burning from 
the top to the bottom. There does not seem be to much fire in the bottom, 
because it is possible to pull up buckets with human fat, which has flown 
down there. Now please Mr. Friberg be so kind as to answer me, why the 
Germans chose to burn the bodies in open pits and not on pyres using 
firewoods from the surrounding Polish forests?

>Now, Mr. Kreiberg, can you tell me exacly which questions you feel you have
>answered in this article?

Which questions have I not answered?
>
>>        Article 2
>> 
>>       
>>        Daniel Keren - a Holocaust Fundamentalist
>
>[Deleted.]
>
>This is merely rethoric and it answers nothing at all so I'll leave it
>without comment.
>
>Now, Mr. Kreiberg, can you tell me exactly which questions you feel you have
>answered in this article?

I was the one who started to question. I received answers and very few 
questions.
> 
>>        Article 3
>> 
>> 
>>          I know that it takes 75 minutes to cremate a corpse in a modern
>>        crematorium, and that it takes further 15 minutes, if there is a
>>        chest too. It takes longer time with type of crematories which was
>>        in use in the forties in Germany.
>
>[And so on...]
>
>This has been answered in a posting on the 17th of August 1995 by Michael P.
>Stein, message-id: <410ev9$p1o@access5.digex.net>. I won't repeat it here.
>
>I'll only add one thing the Tofp patent he is talking about is actually
>patent 24/d/1, no. 861.731, it was provided by John Morris.
>
>Now, Mr. Kreiberg, can you tell me exactly which questions you feel you have
>anwered in this article?

Can you tell me exactly which question was asked? I can understand that you
have not followed the discussion very closely.


>
>>        Article 4
>> 
>> 
>>        When you burn a corpse in a modern oven you first have to burn
>>        away the coffin which takes 15 minutes. After that the burning of
>>        the body itself begin, and this takes further 75 minutes. While
>>        the coffin is burning the temperature is increased to the maximum
>>        level. In cremation the ideal is to burn the body in the shortest
>>        possible time. This makes the best economy. The more bodies a
>>        crematorium can handle a day the less cost per burning will be.
>
>Were the people who were cremated at Auschwitz put in coffins? 

What has this to do with the discussion. I was asked, if a modern oven is 
preheated, before the body is entered, and I answered that it was preheated 
to 650 degrees (centigrade), and while the coffin was burnt away the 
temperature was raised to 1000 degrees (centigrade). This means that the body
itself is burning at the maximum temperature all the 75 minutes. The coke-
and coalfired ovens in use in the forties were only able to reach a maximum
temperature of 870 degrees (centigrade) and the flames from the coal or 
coke did not touch the body direct such as the gasflames in modern ovens. 
Coke and coal are short-flamed fuel. According to the some of the 
eyewitnesses flames many metres high were shooting out the chimneys. Please 
Mr. Friberg give me a technical explanation of this. I have only one time in 
my whole life seen flames shooting out of a chimney, and the fire-brigade was 
already there to put out the fire. If you see fire coming out of chimney, it 
is time to call the fire-brigade. 
 
 
>Don't you understand that you can't make a comparision between a modern
>crematorium and the crematoria at Auschwitz? It has been pointed out to you
>several times.

Yes, modern crematories are both quicker and more effective, than those in
Auschwitz were.

>Now, Mr. Kreiberg, can you tell me exactly which questions you feel you have
>answered in this article?

Tell me which one I have not answered.

>The following question was, I believe, first asked by Dr. Keren and it goes
>simply like this. What experience do you have in cremation? Or, as he put it,
>"Have you ever burned a body? Yes or No!".

And I answered no, and I added that I was sure that Daniel Karen, the 
computer scientist had never burned a body either. 

>You keep repeating the phrase "so called "Holocaust"" and ignore questions of
>what exactly would convince you. I'll ask again, what would convince you that
>there really was a holocaust?

  I think that an international body of impartial scientists investigating in 
an unprejudiced way all the allegations of the revisionists and the 
anti-revisionists, may convince me of what is the truth.

Ole Kreiberg



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