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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article , Gutless Donnie Ellis
>  wrote:
> 
> > Morris supports perversion.
> 
> Show us, Gutless Donnie. You're a known liar. Your unsupported accusations are
> as worthless as you are.
> 
> JGB
> 

It is time for you to get refucked by your masters, you little lapdog!


You are a  Liar  who denies the existence of Jewish soap. Ken Mcvay's
stooge and fart!

Is this why you hang around in alt.revisionism?

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. Jewish Organizations expose
to Jeffrey G. Brown. Ken McVay's stooge and fart.


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Susan Cohen wrote:
> 
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> 
> >  "Hate propaganda is an attack on the truth-seeking process itself.
> > It is directed to subverting and undermining the search for truth."
> >                                 (David Matas, Bloody Speech, p. 37)
> 
> Thank you for admitting it.
> Tho' I am somewhat surprised that you have the hots for Nizkor.
> Brave of you to admit that as well.

Nizkor's web side promotes hate against Germans and an instrument for
the Holocaust Mafia!




Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffey G.
Brown, Ken McVay's fart and stooge.


From wernerkn@telus.net Wed Jan  9 19:00:21 EST 2002
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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c158006_2@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > Paragraph 130 sub section C)
> >
> > It is verboten to show a person under the age of 18 to make
> > available literature that will contradict the Holocaust
> > or other Material or to make it available for reading by other
> > means.
> 
> That says absolutely nothing about "criticizing Jews", idiot.
> 
> Didn't you claim you could produce the German law that sends people to jail
> merely for "criticizing the Jews", Kurt?


Paragraph § says exactly that: Volksverhetzung.

Criticizing Jews qualifies as hate crime!

Deutsche Press, Mittwoch, 1. März 2000

Deutschland hat Angst for der Redefreiheit. Germans are afraid to speak
freely.

One year jail for a host because he did not stop a guest for giving a
Hitler salute.

Man and wife 20 months in jail for having old books about the Hitler
time in their antique store.
4, 7, 10 month's 1, 1 1/2, 3 1/2 year jail for denying or questioning
the holocaust.

The list goes on and on.

Time for people in Germany to help this bastard lawmaker who fuck for
Israel and the USA by sending them to Israel for good!


Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G. Brown, Ken Mcvay's stooge and fart is a Holocaust denier and
a Liar, Liar, Liar.



*********************************************************
§ 129a  StGB zurück  § 130a

 § 130  Volksverhetzung    (1)  Wer in einer Weise, die geeignet
ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören,    1. zum Haß gegen
Teile der Bevölkerung aufstachelt oder zu Gewalt- oder
Willkürmaßnahmen gegen sie auffordert oder    2. die
Menschenwürde anderer dadurch angreift, daß er Teile der
Bevölkerung beschimpft, böswillig verächtlich macht oder
verleumdet, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe von drei Monaten bis zu fünf
Jahren bestraft.    (2) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren
oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer    1. Schriften (§ 11 Abs.
3), die zum Haß gegen Teile der Bevölkerung oder gegen eine
nationale, rassische, religiöse oder durch ihr Volkstum bestimmte
Gruppe aufstacheln, zu Gewalt- oder Willkürmaßnahmen gegen sie
auffordern oder die Menschenwürde anderer dadurch angreifen, daß
Teile der Bevölkerung oder eine vorbezeichnete Gruppe beschimpft,
böswillig verächtlich gemacht oder verleumdet werden,    a)
verbreitet,    b) öffentlich ausstellt, anschlägt, vorführt oder
sonst zugänglich macht,    c) einer Person unter achtzehn Jahren
anbietet, überläßt oder zugänglich macht oder    d) herstellt,
bezieht, liefert, vorrätig hält, anbietet, ankündigt, anpreist,
einzuführen oder auszuführen unternimmt, um sie oder aus ihnen
gewonnene Stücke im Sinne der Buchstaben a bis c zu verwenden
oder einem anderen eine solche Verwendung zu ermöglichen, oder
2. eine Darbietung des in Nummer 1 bezeichneten Inhalts durch
Rundfunk verbreitet.    (3) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf
Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer eine unter der
Herrschaft des Nationalsozialismus begangene Handlung der in §
220a Abs. 1 bezeichneten Art in einer Weise, die geeignet ist,
den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören, öffentlich oder in einer
Versammlung billigt, leugnet oder verharmlost.    (4) Absatz 2
gilt auch für Schriften (§ 11 Abs. 3) des in Absatz 3
bezeichneten Inhalts.    (5) In den Fällen des Absatzes 2, auch
in Verbindung mit Absatz 4, und in den Fällen des Absatzes 3 gilt
§ 86 Abs. 3 entsprechend.
  § 129a  StGB zurück  § 130a





> 
> Have you produced anything but excuses since you made that claim, Kurt?
> 
> Did you think we wouldn't know you were lying, Kurt?
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
> to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message news:<3c16471b_1@binaries.vphos.net>...
> 






> > > No, you are wrong again. Staeglich is not an historian.
> >  Qualified scholars
> > > are admitted to archives, and many German scholars not only
> >  have access to
> > > German archives, but maintain them.
> > >
> > > But since you don't even know the names of German historians of
> >  the
> > > Holocaust, I guess I can't expect to much from you.
> 
> > Why does he have to be an Historian to write about the Holocaust.
> 
> Try to keep up with your own nonsense. You raised the issue of
> historians not being able to use archives. I pointed out you are
> wrong. You cite a non-historian as support for your statement. When I
> point that out you change the point!

Subject: Re: Eisenhowers Gift to McVay
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999
From: Mike Muth, mike-muth@iname.com>
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The problem is that documents can be misused...

This documents are available to researchers... Generally, however, one
needs to travel to Germany to obtain access. In Mr. Knoll's case he
might very well be arrested on return to Germany. Those, these documents
should probably be considered inaccessible to him.

My take If you are looking for facts which offend Jewish interest. You
are out of luck!

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. They expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown. Ken McVay's foreskin!


> 
> > And you mean only your historians
> > are the once to believed in.
> 
> I don't have any historians. Can you name a single German historian
> denied access to the evidence contained in the archives of Germany or
> any other nation? Yes or no?
> 
> > Well I got news for you. Your type is form me any many others a
> > symbol of falsehood.
> > You can believe in your Historians as much as you want. For me I
> > do not trust you
> > if you pay me for it history will prove that.
> 
> It's not a matter of "my" historians. The Holocaust is an accepted
> historical event by all historians.

So is the Jewish soap?

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3c16a9ce_2@binaries.vphos.net...
> 



> > > Can you name a single German historian denied access to the
> > evidence
> > > contained in the archives of
> > > Germany or any other nation? Yes or no?
> 
> > Nothing changes I know an older Canadian
> 
> I'm not interested in your stupid stories.

You should be interested in what he is saying because he was in Baghdad
when you were semen in your fathers balls!




> 
> Answer the question.
> 
> Can you name a single German historian denied access to the
> evidence contained in the archives of Germany or any other nation? Yes or
> no?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Ask Udo Walendy a German writer and historian if he still has access to
German archives after he produced a tape on the proceeding in Krakau
>from 1958 in which the number of killed in Auschwitz are 300,000

Source: Kanada Kurier 14. Dezember 2000

It is high time for people in Germany to send all their lawmaker to
Israel so Saddam can take care of them.

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, the send Jeffrey G. Brown,
Ken McVay's stooge and fart after


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Changing hat's in-between postings?

Werner Knoll
Whom Holocaust Gangster Organizations seek to destroy. the send Jeffrey
G. Brown, Ken McVay's foreskin after



"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c16d1a4_2@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > You behave like a fuck head
> 
> Can you name a single German historian denied access to the evidence contained
> in the archives of Germany or any other nation? Yes or no?
> 
> Run away again, Kurtsie...
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
> to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997


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Here it is.

Kanada Kurier page 17 11 Januar 2001

Jeder legt es anders aus:

Der in den 80er Jahren in Deutschland ausgebrochene "Historiker Streit",
der sich mit den der unabhängigen Geschichtsforschung auferlegter
Beschränkung befaßt, und der sich gegen die methothische
Meinungsbeeinflussung und  Meinungskontrolle wandte, befürchtet eine
weitere Ausdehnung der Kontrolle,...

End

With other words... Historians are against restriction's imposed on
them  in searching for the truth!


Does anyone believe that the German Government will give access to
documents which would be harmful to Jewish Gangster Organizations? Get
real folks!

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G. Brown. Ken McVay's foreskin is a Holocaust denier and a Liar,
Liar, Liar.

Kurt Knoll wrote:
> 
> Yes. Me.
> 
> Kurt Knoll.
> ========
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C16D7F4.F99BCCC1@telus.net...
> >

> > > > > contained in the archives of
> > > > > Germany or any other nation? Yes or no?
> > >
> > > > Nothing changes I know an older Canadian
> > >
> > > I'm not interested in your stupid stories.
> >
> > You should be interested in what he is saying because he was in
> Baghdad
> > when you were semen in your fathers balls!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Answer the question.
> > >
> > > Can you name a single German historian denied access to the
> > > evidence contained in the archives of Germany or any other
> nation? Yes or
> > > no?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Philip Mathews
> >
> > Ask Udo Walendy a German writer and historian if he still has
> access to
> > German archives after he produced a tape on the proceeding in
> Krakau
> > from 1958 in which the number of killed in Auschwitz are
> 300,000
> >
> > Source: Kanada Kurier 14. Dezember 2000
> >
> > It is high time for people in Germany to send all their
> lawmaker to
> > Israel so Saddam can take care of them.
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> > Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, the send Jeffrey G.
> Brown,
> > Ken McVay's stooge and fart after


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C16D7F4.F99BCCC1@telus.net...
> > Philip Mathews wrote:


> > You should be interested in what he is saying because he was in Baghdad
> > when you were semen in your fathers balls!
> 
> He's an idiot.

He looks like an Idiot to you but people who know him think differently.

I worked in a small town, Kitimat for 23 years. The company I worked for
had people from 20 countries on their payroll. I made an effort to
communicate with all of them. You be surprised how much you will learn
>from each person by trying to walk in their shoes.

Try it! you got nothing to lose?


> 
> > > Answer the question.
> > >
> > > Can you name a single German historian denied access to the
> > > evidence contained in the archives of Germany or any other nation? Yes
> or
> > > no?
> 
> > Ask Udo Walendy a German writer and historian
> 
> Walendy is not an historian. Stop lying. He's a crackpot.

That's where I differ from you.

Spotlight magazine from the US writes that he is a Historian and writer?
How can I judge this man by reading an article about him in a news
paper?


> 
> No answer for the question I see!

You see? You are blind and blind people can not see!
> 
> > It is high time for people in Germany to send all their lawmaker to
> > Israel so Saddam can take care of them.
> 
> Germans don't need advice from scum like you. Germans recoil in disgust from
> your type.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews


What German people? All I can see is "afterbirth's who hate their own
parents because of Jewish hate propaganda!

Werner Knoll
I good Jew is a Jew with his balls cut off!


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> Richard Phillips"  wrote in message
> news:3C16FCE9.F2EF9978@earthlink.net...
> >
> >
> > Werner Knoll wrote:
> >
> > > Philip Mathews wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> > > > news:3c16a9ce_2@binaries.vphos.net...
> > > >
> > >
> > > > > > Can you name a single German historian denied access to the
> > > > > evidence
> > > > > > contained in the archives of
> > > > > > Germany or any other nation? Yes or no?
> > > >
> > > > > Nothing changes I know an older Canadian
> > > >
> > > > I'm not interested in your stupid stories.
> 
> > THen why is it you are demanding one?
> 
> I'm not.
> 
> Forgotten how to read?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Read your own posting!

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to  destroy, the expose to Jeffrey
G.Brown. Ken McVay's foreskin.

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**************************************************************

Subject: Re: An Lying Shit Knoll
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:16:35 GMT
From: "Philip Mathews" 
Organization: ATT Broadband
Newsgroups: 
alt.revisionism, can.politics, us.politics
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10 , 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 ,
15




"Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
news:3c16a9ce_2@binaries.vphos.net...

> "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
> news:2lwR7.10028$Sj1.5352131@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...
> > "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> > news:3c1680fc_2@binaries.vphos.net...
> >



> > In other words, having all of your stupid objections answered
> you'll resort
> > to mumbling insults.
> >
> > I see you ran from the question which would demonstrate you
> were talking out
> > of your ass when you claimed that historians weren't able to
> access
> > archives?
> >
> > Can you name a single German historian denied access to the
> evidence
> > contained in the archives of
> > Germany or any other nation? Yes or no?

> Nothing changes I know an older Canadian

I'm not interested in your stupid stories.

Answer the question.

Can you name a single German historian denied access to the
evidence contained in the archives of Germany or any other nation? Yes
or
no?

--
Philip Mathews

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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C17D976.C921554E@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:

> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not interested in your stupid stories.
> > >
> > > > THen why is it you are demanding one?
> > >
> > > I'm not.
> > >
> > > Forgotten how to read?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Philip Mathews
> >
> > Read your own posting!
> 
> I wrote it!

And who is the one who wrote: "I am not?"

> 
> It doesn't ask for stupid stories.
> 
> You must be related to the other Knoll.

We were close together for the first nine month's

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews


Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G. Brown is Ken McVay's stooge and fart. A holocaust denier and
Liar, Liar, Liar.


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c16e3cb_2@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > Did you go for a leak yes or no.
> 
> Evasion noted.
> 
> Can you name a single German historian denied access to the evidence contained
> in the archives of Germany or any other nation? Yes or no?
> 
> Run away again, Kurtsie...
> 
> JGB
> 

Hi Jeffrey G. Brow alias Ken McVay or mister "EVASION NOTED"

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Subject: Re: BOYCOTT ISRAEL CAMPAIGN COMPANY : AOL Time
             Warner
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:04:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
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In article <3C17DAA4.5060904@gmx.co.uk>,
Mudpie   wrote:

>Kenneth McVay, OBC wrote:

>> In article <3C17B993.6000404@gmx.co.uk>,
>> Mudpie   wrote:
 
>>>I all for creating a systematic and concise form of increasing the 
>>>publics awareness using the principles of justice so that a STOP can be
>>>put to the media being put into fewer hands of which has caused the 
>>>TRUTH from being reported in an unbiased way.

>> You still don't know who is running AOL/Time-Warner, do you, Bubba?

>Maybe.  But I've already decided not to give in to your misguided 
>complusiveness.

Evasion noted. You not only don't know who the new CEO is, you don't
know if he's a Wascally JOO, either.

*******************************************************

Have a nice day. Asshole Jeffrey G Brown

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, the expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown Ken McVay's foreskin


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c1947dc$1_2@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > Well Jeffery you do it all the time maybe you gave them instruction how
> > to do it you are the expert.
> 
> What evidence do you have that the tape was edited at all, imbecile?
> 
> JGB
> 

Edit: Assemble, prepare, modify for publication.

What than is the english text doing there

Vancouver Province Thursday, December 13, 2001

Jewish leader held in plot to blow up mosque.

Los Angeles - The chairman and another member of the militant Jewish
Defense League have been arrested on suspicion of plotting to plow up a
Los angeles mosque and office of an Arab - American congressman, police
said yesterday.

JDL chairman Irv Rubin, 56 and Earl Krugel, 59, were arrested Tuesday
night after last component of the bomb - explosive powder - was
delivered to Krugel's home U.S. Attorney John Gordon said.

If both of them are your friends, say hello to them.

On a lighter note. You Jeffrey G. Brown are still Ken McVay's foreskin.
A Holocaust denier and a Liar, Liar, Liar.

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown. Ken McVays foreskin!


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Mike Kalvatis  writes:
> 
> > On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 02:23:43 GMT, Orac  wrote:

> > Because it's been done before. Do you trust everything the media and
> > Government tells you? I hope not. Good historians always question
> > sources. I am not claiming the tape is a fraud, I am claiming the tape
> > was probably doctored.
> 
>   What a paranoid moron you are.
> 
> whd
> --

Looks like Jeffrey G. Brown Recording is stuck on one place and here
comes William to the rescue?

No wonder Jeffrey is an asshole and Ken MCVay's foreskin. A holocaust
denier and a Liar, Liar, Liar.

If you happen to know Jewish defense league's Irv Rubin, age 56 and Earl
Krugel, age 59. Say hi to them.


> In <3b87467e@news-uk.onetel.net.uk>,
> 
> David E. Michael, in response to my observation that "the Nazis didn't kill
> . . ."  33,000 Jewish men, women and children of Kiev by marching them to a
> ditch at Babi-Yar, forcing them to undress and shooting them in the head
> "for 'military purposes.'  They killed them for *racialist* purposes"
> said:
> 
> (a) How the f*** would you know?
> (b) So what?

A.)

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. They expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C19770C.B0DFBC19@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3c1947dc$1_2@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well Jeffery you do it all the time maybe you gave them instruction how
> > > > to do it you are the expert.
> > >
> > > What evidence do you have that the tape was edited at all, imbecile?
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> >
> > Edit: Assemble, prepare, modify for publication.
> >
> > What than is the english text doing there
> 
> What evidence do you have that the English text is on the tape, imbecile?
> 
> JGB
> 

What evidence have you got that it is not a copy supplied to the news
media by people who work for the US Government?

How many copies of the original are there and who made the decision what
should be shown?

I seem to recall not so long ago the American defense department
screening an Arab broadcast because they were not sure if there are
secret messages on the tape?

"War is born of propaganda. That is why the first victim of war is
truth..."
James Bacque

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. The expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown. Ken McVay's foreskin!


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Patrick Keenan wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C198A0A.32A3916D@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:




> > > > What than is the english text doing there
> > >
> > > What evidence do you have that the English text is on the tape,
> imbecile?
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> >
> > What evidence have you got that it is not a copy supplied to the news
> > media by people who work for the US Government?
> 
> Excuse me.. are you actually suggesting that the US government or military,
> who at least were in posession of the original tape, gave the *original*,
> not copies,  to all the news services?  How did they give one tape to all
> those services?

It is my understanding that the American Government supplied the
information to the news media. In order to do so... they and they only
were in a position to decide how it is done. Of course the Americans
kept the original.

> 
> Of course they received copies.   The translations were also likely done
> from copies, since the quality is so poor that it had to be played many
> times.   One would rather wear out copies, not the original, which is lousy
> enough.

Exactly my point?


> 
> > How many copies of the original are there and who made the decision what
> > should be shown?
> 
> GWB, IIRC; the US president made the decision.    They probably made as many
> copies as necessary.  Does it matter how many copies?  What matters is what
> they are copies *of*.

Right on.


> 
> > I seem to recall not so long ago the American defense department
> > screening an Arab broadcast because they were not sure if there are
> > secret messages on the tape?
> 
> Yes, and being quite open about it, too.   It matters less, now.


The time of reckoning is after the war when people begin to realize that
by supporting the Americans they created a "MONSTER"


Werner Knoll

> 
> -pk
> 
> > "War is born of propaganda. That is why the first victim of war is
> > truth..."
> > James Bacque
> > Werner Knoll
> > Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. The expose to Jeffrey G.
> > Brown. Ken McVay's foreskin!


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Don Wagner wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message news:3C198A0A.32A3916D@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3C19770C.B0DFBC19@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> > > wrote:

> > > What evidence do you have that the English text is on the tape, imbecile?
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> >
> > What evidence have you got that it is not a copy supplied to the news
> > media by people who work for the US Government?
> 
> Because making the fucking thing and keeping it secret would be impossible

Why would the US government hide it?


> >
> > How many copies of the original are there and who made the decision what
> > should be shown?
> 
> The accounts say there was one original. The whole thing was shown, including parts about
> visits to a helicop[tor crash site.

I see the news every day and know the truth looks freshest in the
fashion of the day!

> >
> > I seem to recall not so long ago the American defense department
> > screening an Arab broadcast because they were not sure if there are
> > secret messages on the tape?
> 
> which is one of the reasons they kept the tape for as long as they did.


> >
> > "War is born of propaganda. That is why the first victim of war is
> > truth..."
> > James Bacque
> 
> A poor judge of truth if there ever was one.
> 
> Don Wagner

Looks like your ar pissed off because James Bacque is not on the
Holocaust Mafia's favored list?

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, the expose to Jeffrey G
Brown, Ken McVays foreskin


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C198A0A.32A3916D@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > What evidence have you got that it is not a copy supplied to the news
> > media by people who work for the US Government?
> 
> I haven't made any claims about the tape, imbecile.
> 
> Your idiot brother did, however.
> 
> He's the one who has to supply evidence.
> 
> JGB
> 

He was just using common sense by telling you that what we have seen is
the edited version to make it represent able of what hat happened.


Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown, Ken McVay's foreskin


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C198A0A.32A3916D@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> > >


> > > What evidence do you have that the English text is on the tape,
> imbecile?
> > >
> > > JGB
> > >
> >
> > What evidence have you got that it is not a copy supplied to the news
> > media by people who work for the US Government?
> 
> And what evidence do you have that you're not bin Laden?

Trying to be a stand in comedian for Jeffrey G. Brown, Ken McVay's
stooge and fart?


> 
> Sometimes asking stupid questions just means your stupid.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Looking at your  posting as Jeffrey G. Brown's helper you must know how
to be stupid!


Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown Ken McVay's foreskin.


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Don Wagner wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message news:3C1994BC.24E92553@telus.net...
> >


> > > > "War is born of propaganda. That is why the first victim of war is
> > > > truth..."
> > > > James Bacque
> > >
> > > A poor judge of truth if there ever was one.
> > >
> > > Don Wagner
> >
> > Looks like your ar pissed off because James Bacque is not on the
> > Holocaust Mafia's favored list?
> 
> No, becaause he's in the unrepentent Nazi murdering cocksuckers, or as we like to say,
> "your" list
> 
> Don Wagner

How many people did he kill by writing a book?

*********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James 
BacqueISBN 0 316 64070 0

Foreword by: Alfred De Zayas.

" Because the Germans are perceived as collectively guilty, they somehow
have no rights. Only a few voices have been raised to acknowledge the
injustices perpetrated by us and our allies over many decades."

" Only a few courageous individuals like Herbert Hoover, George Bell and
Victor Gollancz have dared to remind us of the moral dilemma. Indeed,
how could we go to war in the name of democracy and self - determination
and betray our own principles in the peace settlement? More correctly,
how could we go to war against Hitler's methods only to apply similar
methods during and after the war?"

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 32 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 32 and 33 British writer
In Hamburg in 1946, in the British zone of occupation, one touring
British writer said that about 100,000 people were in the last stage of
starvation with hunger edema. In Düsseldorf and many other cities,
people lived like rats in a few feet of wet basement under a heap of
rubble. The English philanthropist and publisher Victor Gollances
witnessed these conditions during his visit to Germany in 1946. He
wrote:

"I made a more extensive tour of Düsseldorf dwelling-places towards the
end of the week. Down long dark staircase and than along a black tunnel
was a man of 79, alone in a hole, which he had made habitable -
according to the ruling standards - 'all by himself'. His wife was out
on the search for bread. In another part of the same cellar was a mother
with three children - [aged] 6, 10 and 14. All four of them slept in the
only bed, two side by side in the ordinary way and the other two side by
side at the foot of it.

The mother came back while we were there: it was 10:30 and she had been
queuing for bread since early morning and had returned empty-handed -
'bread nowhere'. One of the children was still in bed; none had yet
anything to eat, as the last bread had gone yesterday. The father was a
prisoner of war in Russia. Two of the children had TB.

There was a tiny stove, but no coal or gas, only a little wood, which
they 'fetched'. For excretion the used a pail, which they emptied every
morning into a hole they had dug in the courtyard above. They had twice
been bombed out. On the wall was a small faded photograph of the mother
and father at their wedding and on the other some prince or king with
the legend 'Lerne leiden ohne zu klagen': learn to suffer without
complaining."

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 39 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 39 a speech by US Senator Langer in the Senate. 
"[We] are caught in what has unfolded as a savage and fanatical plot to
destroy the German people by visiting on them a punishment in kind for
atrocities of their leaders.

Not only have this leaders of this plot permitted the whole world
situation to get… out of hand… but their determination to destroy the
German people and the German Nation, no matter what the consequences to
our own moral principles, to our leadership in world affairs, to our
Christian faith, to our allies, or to the whole future peace of this
world, has become a world scandal… 

We have all seen the grim pictures of piled-up bodies uncovered by the
Americans and the British armies, and our hearts have been wrung with
pity at the sight of such emaciation - reducing adults and even little
children to mere skeletons.

Yet now to our utter horror, we discover that our own policies have
merely spread those same conditions even more widely… among our former
enemies.
Senator Langer

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 43 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 43 about food supply to the German prisoners. 

Koblenz. 9. May 1945
"The military government has requested me to make it known, that under
no circumstances may food supply be assembled amongst the local
inhabitants, in order to deliver to the prisoners of war. Those who
violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to
allow to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being
shot."…

The Burgmeister…. Langenlonsheim.

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 94 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 94 to95 about food shortages.

One former prisoner described it recently: 
"At first, the women from the nearby town brought food into the camp. 
The American soldiers took everything away from the women, threw it in a
heap and poured gasoline [benzine] over it and burned it.   Eisenhower
himself ordered that the food be destroyed, according to Karl Vogel, who
was the German camp commander appointed by the Americans in camp 8 at
Garmisch-Partenkirchen.  Although the prisoners were getting only 800
calories per day, the Americans were destroying food outside the camp
gate.

To conserve food could scarily have been the reason for the order
threatening death for civilians wishing to feed prisoners, because the
Allies' predominant policy in Germany for many months was actually to
reduce supplies of food destined for German civilians, as well as
prisoners.  The rations were to be held at the lowest possible level to
'prevent starvation', or to 'prevent disease and unrest'.

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque page 97 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 97 and 99 People who hat to leave their homes.

District Administrative Commission of Garlitze [Kraslice]

Notice:
People selected for transport must leave their homes in complete order.

One piece of luggage weighing 60 kilograms and hand baggage of a maximum
of 10 kilograms will be allowed per person.

The remaining effects must be left where they are in the home, e.g.
curtains, carpets, table lamps, wall mirrors. Wash basins, pieces of
furniture, table cloths, 2 towels, and on the beds, mattresses, bed
linen and at least one pillow and bedcover, all freshly mad up.

If, on inspection, it is observed that these instructions have not been
obeyed, the person concerned will not be taken on the transport but send
to the interior to work.

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque page 100 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 100-101
Writer Robert Greer on a visit to Berlin in late 1945

There's something I must tell you before I go to have my dinner. It's
the worst of all.  I am driving about [Berlin] on Sunday morning, we
came to the Stettinger Bahnhof.  It's a complete wreck of course, the
great arched glassway broken and twisted. I went down to the ground
level and looked.  There were people. Sitting on bundles of clothes,
crouched by handcarts and little wagons were people…  they were all
exhausted and starved and miserable. 

You'd see a child sitting at a roll of blankets, a girl of perhaps four
or five, and her eyes would be only half open and her head would loll
occasionally and her eyes blink slowly as though she were only half
alive. Beside her, her mother apparently, a woman with her head on her
outstretched arm in a most terrible picture of despair and exhaustion
and collapse I've seen.

You could see in line of her body all the misery that was possible for
her to feel… no home, no husband, no food, no place to go, no one to
care, nothing absolutely nothing but a piece of floor of the Stettinger
Bahnhof and a night of weary hunger.

In another place, another woman, sitting with her head in her hand… my
God, how often have I sat like that with my stomach sick within me and
felt miserable and helpless and uncaring…. Yet always I had someone to
help, or a bed to rest and a meal to eat and a place to go.

For here there was nothing. Even when you see it it's impossible to
believe. What can you do when you have nothing? Where can you go, what
can you do, when you have no strength left and hunger is a sickness in
your belly? God it was terrible.

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 109 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 109 your guilty before you are born.

After Dr Kent was released, and had emigrated with some other survivors,
first to Canada and then to the USA, she found that people refused to
believe any stories about atrocities against Germans by the Allies.
Once, when she was a student at a university in the US, she approached a
group of students conversing with a professor.

When Kent joined in, the professor said, 'Here's our little Nazi. Seigh
Heil.'  Her younger sister once spoke of her family's sufferings in some
camps to some American students. 'What did you do to deserve that?'
someone asked. She answered that she had nursed at her mother's breast.
At the end of the war, her sister was one year old, Dr Kent was five.

***********************************************************


"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 111 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 111 The plumping was not safe from the US soldiers but the Russians
had different ways.

The Great Russian writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn, winner of the Nobel
Prize, who has contributed enormously to the destruction of the Soviet
regime, wrote a rigorously honest poem about the Red Army conquest of
Prussia in 1945. He was soon arrested and imprisoned for anti Soviet
views he expressed. Solzhenitsyn wrote in one stanza of the poem:

Zweiundzwanzig, Horingstrasse.
It's not been burned, just looted, rifled.
A moaning, by the walls half-muffled:
The Mother's wounded, still alive.
The little daughter's on the mattress,
Dead. How many have been on it?
A platoon? A company perhaps?
A girl's been turned into a woman,
A woman turned into a corps.
It's all come down to simple phrases:
"Do not forget. Do not forgive" *
Blood for blood. A tooth for a tooth!
The mother begs, 'Kill me, soldier!'

* From the Russian propaganda inciting soldiers to vengeance.

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque ISBN Page 141  0 316 64070 0
Page 141 who are these criminals?

It has never been explained in the West how it was that their
governments could reinforce the regime of mass-murderers like Stalin,
Beria, Kaganovich and Molotov, while they were so afraid of truthful,
compassionate men like Dietrich Bonhöffer, Cardinal Frings, Helmut von
Moltke, Claus von Stauffenberg and hundreds of thousands of other German
resisters.

Many Western leaders viewed with indifference or approval the starvation
of Germans who included friends of democracy and freedom.

For instance, when Pastor Martin Niemöller said that he wanted to make a
tour of Switzerland and the US in 1946 to appeal to fellow Christians
and men of good will', he was arrested and returned to a concentration
camp.

The Westerners had condemned the Nazis for assigning collective guilt to
groups for crimes of individual members, but it would be unrealistic to
deny that they did the same thing themselves.

All this scarcely known to the major participants.  A whole nation was
maimed in peacetime, but when the events are even mentioned by the
German survivors, they are immediately hushed up by their own
government. No one is allowed to dig for the corpses of the murdered
prisoners in Germany.

The criminals go free.  To defend them, lies are told by historians who
also defame the injured.  Free expression of historical opinion is
curbed by legislation that even grows more stringent as time passes.  No
denial of history has ever been successful.

Never was any other nation so forcible estranged from itself from its
own past. Which goes for the democracy too.
***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 172 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 172 Marshall Plan.

The Marshall Plan started in April 1948. Germany was at first excluded.
Although the needed more, it is understandable that the would receive
less than the UK, less than 60% of the amount the French got.

They paid back to the US nearly every dollar they had received in aid.

The Germans actually received about $1.4 billions, and they repaid
around $1 billion, leaving them with $0.4 billion in outright gifts.
Britain received eight times as much, about $3,176,000,000; the French
$2,706,000,000 and the Italians $1,474,000,000. Only the Germans paid
back any of their Marshall Plan Money.
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 187 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 187 giving away your home lock, stock and barrel.

This sense of collective German guilt is useful in an especially morbid
way to her former enemies because it effectively seals off all
discussions about the mistreatment of Germans in 1945. Time and again,
when anyone reproaches the Allies for their treatment of German women
and children in 1945, the reply is heard, 'But look what the Germans
did.' This is a common refrain today in Germany itself. But for much of
the war and a long time after, it was actually forbidden in the American
press to mention the German resistance. President Roosevelt forbade the
press to print news of the German resistance, a directive that was
enforced even after the war by the American occupation authorities.

Guilt pervades Germany like a religion. It is the 'Canossa Republic',
penitent in pain before its judges.* Guilt is so powerful that it has
caused the Canossa Republic repeatedly to deny any intention of
reclaiming sovereignty over the eastern lands, although it is a
well-established UN principle that no government has the right to waive
the claims of individuals to their property. Nor may it impede their
right to return to their former homeland. 

*At Canossa in 1077, King Henry IV knelt in the snow for three days as
he begged Pope Gregory to release him from excommunication.

End

Werner Knoll


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C19971D.D00DE57E@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > "Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> > >

> >
> > He was just using common sense by telling you that what we have seen is
> > the edited version
> 
> "Common sense" tell us that your idiot brother must back up that claim with
> evidence.
> 
> He can't.
> 
> Can you?
> 
> JGB
> 

Which evidence could that be and whose evidence is it.

At the Nuremberg trial was evidence too! Whose evidence was it?

***********************************************************

After examining all the evidence ( including an
actual bar of soap supplied by the Soviets ), the Nuremberg Tribunal
declared in its Judgment that "in some instances attempts were made to
utilize the fat from bodies of the victims in commercial manufacture of
soap." (note 3) IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 496

Source
Subject: FYI Saturday 1 August 1998 oreslep


************************************************************

You are still a Holocaust denier, and Ken McVay's foreskin

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown!


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Don Dickson wrote:
> 
> In article <3c195a57$1_2@binaries.vphos.net>,
>  "Kurt Knoll"  wrote:
> 
> > If you had listened to CNN were it said a couple of time they are not
> > finished editing jet.
> 
> When I was listening to CNN they said they were not finished verifying
> the translation. There are various dialects which have small differences
> so they wanted to get the opinion of several experts before they
> released the tape with translation subtitles.
> 
> --
> Don Dickson
> 
> Remove the first "x" from xcx666 to reply by e-mail.


Vancouver Province Friday, December 14, 2001

Bin Laden crows on tape

West sees smoking gun, while many in Mideast cry 'fake'


...
But the sound quality was so poor that native Arabic speakers had to
rely on U. S. - provided translation.

Sort of reading the Bible who can only be explained by the clergy?

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown ken McVay's foreskin.


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Don Dickson wrote:
> > >

> >
> > Vancouver Province Friday, December 14, 2001
> >
> > Bin Laden crows on tape
> >
> > West sees smoking gun, while many in Mideast cry 'fake'
> >
> >
> > ...
> > But the sound quality was so poor that native Arabic speakers had to
> > rely on U. S. - provided translation.
> 
>   Actually, I've heard of *no* such claims. The claims I've heard from
>   the Arabs are that it isn't bin Laden, or the sound doesn't match
>   the movements of his mouth. In L.A. they interviewed Moslems at a
>   mosque and, with the except of one person who only said that he
>   "didn't believe it" all said that it convinced them of bin Laden's
>   guilt. And the Al Jezeera report I heard didn't have anything in the
>   way of hard evidence, just more rumor mongering of the
>   unconvinceable.

I am always suspicious when people tell me that I have to believe what
they are telling me. What If the sound was tampered with so somebody
could put his own spin on it?

> 
> > Sort of reading the Bible who can only be explained by the clergy?
> >
> 
>   Meaning what? That in *all* such cases the clergy lie?

Perhaps the do but mainly it is done so nobody else comes up with smart
ideas?


> 
>   You are a paranoid wacko, aren't you?

Is that in Texas?


> 
> > Werner Knoll
> 
>   Survivor of the T4 program.
> 
> whd
> --
> Geborgter saichel toig nit!
> "Borrowed brains have no value!"
>    Yiddish saying

Is that the way you evaluate yourself?

Werner Knoll


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Larry J wrote:
> 
> On 14 Dec 2001, Werner Knoll  tapped on a keyboard and
> said:
> > Bin Laden crows on tape
> >
> > West sees smoking gun, while many in Mideast cry 'fake'
> 
> Of course they did - because their "Mullahs" told them to.
> > ...
> > But the sound quality was so poor that native Arabic speakers had to
> > rely on U. S. - provided translation.
> 
> Horseshit.  For much of the tape, I could hear the voices quite clearly,
> and if I understood the language, could probably get the message.
> 
> You're making this up again, Troll.

With other word's the Province is Lying? :-))))

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, the expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown ken McVay's foreskin


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Joe wrote:
> 
> > But the sound quality was so poor that native Arabic speakers had to
> > rely on U. S. - provided translation.
> 
> I saw several Arabic speakers on tv who made no such claim.  One stated the
> sound quality was poor but then went on to confirm that translation that had
> been provided.

Now you have two opinions. One from the Vancouver Province and one on
TV.

You lucky guy...


Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, the expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown Ken McVay's foreskin.


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"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:17:03 GMT, Werner Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> >I am always suspicious when people tell me that I have to believe what
> >they are telling me. What If the sound was tampered with so somebody
> >could put his own spin on it?
> 
> That's funny, I always thought Germans were genetically pre-disposed
> to believe what their leaders told them.  Didn't Hitler prove that?


Hitler got elected because he promised jobs. other leader similar
tactics at that time!


Werner Knoll

****************************************************
Ten lost Years 1929 - 1939
By Barry Broadfoot ISBN 0-7710-1652-2

Summary of Events page Xiii
… But in Europe, Hitler's troops marching into Austria and then into
Czechoslovakia, and wise knew men that it was only a matter of time
before Germany would smash into Poland. On September 1, 1939, Hitler
gave the order and his tanks rolled. The Second World War had begun…

On September 10, Canada declared war and a vast military effort under
way which was required the services of every available man and women for
the next six years, in the armed forces, in defense plants, in factories
and on farms across the nation. Everyone worked.

The Great Depression was over. It had not been solved by the best brains
in this country juggling with economic theories, but by demands of total
war, courtesy of Adolf Hitler.

The Receipt page 2
"My mother was a widow and she shipped a steer, from Saskatchewan to the
Winnipeg stockyards because they told her she'd get a better price. But
with the prices and the weight loss and the trucker cost and the selling
commission and what have you, she got a letter back from the agent
saying that she owed them $6. Without the word of a lie.

She was a proud woman and paid her debts and she really rustled for the
$6 but she send it off. And when the receipt came back in the mail she
had it framed and it hung on the wall of our parlor until the day she
died and when we sold the house. Pretty good one, he?"

It Was a Dog Eat Dog page 60
"The farmers from the drought certainly didn't do me a favour. Wages was
low enough as it was in the Twenties and the sodbusters started coming
in the Fraser Valley about '31 and if you had a job, you better watch
out. Say you was in the field, doing a repair, and one of them
Saskatchewan fellows and his wife and kids would come to the yard
looking for a drink of water or a gallon of gas, something before you
knew it that fellow had your job and his wife and kids was moving into
your house.

Say your making $30 a month with a little house, your vegs and spuds and
milk free and the farmer let you run maybe two steers with his, so you
had a bit coming to you when they sold.

That looked pretty good, that house and house and garden and slops for
the pig, maybe, to that Saskatchewan fellow.

He'd get talking to the farmer and he'd say he'd work for $14 or
something like that and his wife would work a couple of hours for his
wife for $6, say, and bingo, you was out.

Maybe you worked for that farmer for five, six, 10 years. Loyalty didn't
mean nothing. But sure $10 sure did. Ten dollars was an awful lot of
money. Like a hundred now, more.

This happened to me, by a dairy man up the valley and I said, 'Dan, how
could you do this to me?' He just said, and he was ashamed, I can tell
you, he said, 'I am going under, and the slower I go under the better.
Things might get better.'

He didn't ask me even if I would take a cut, which I would've, and I
said,

'Dan, it grieves me to say this, but you ain't much of a man."

Both Free And Clear Page 70
"I worked on the railroad, braking, and being far down the ladder when
the bad times came I was laid off. Not fired, just told I'd be called
when things brighten up. Well, sir, the never. My wife and I had worked
like coolies during the Twenties and bought one house, which we rented,
and one which we lived in. Both free and clear. All ours.

The Little house rented for $18 a month. Actually we had to cut the rent
down from $30 and than $25 and then $20 because otherwise would have
just sat empty. The Taxes didn't go down, though. So here we were
getting $18 times 12, total  $216 in rent, and the taxes were about $195
and we had insurance to pay and in those days like today you still had
to do maintenance, a new water pipe or something, and I sat down one
night and figured out our taxes and expenses were about $230 a year. It
was costing me good money to keep the house and the difference was
coming out of my savings, which were just about gone. It was damn a good
house, brick, sound as a dollar, and it had a garage - and I had a tough
time getting $1,000 for it.

That's how things were in Edmonton those days. A sound $5,000 house
going for a thousand, otherwise the city would take it back for
nonpayment of taxes. If it happened once, it happened a thousand times
in those years."

Out! Out! Out! Page 130
"My mother operated a sewing machine in a factory in the East End of
Montreal. They made pants, other things and the salary for five days a
week and nine hours a day was $3 a week and under the bonus system that
is if you could go over your quota you made much more.

There were 120 or so women in the factory and my mother said no woman
ever made a bonus. Never ever.

If you went to the bathroom more than twice in a shift you were docked
and there were just two toilets for those hundred women and they ate
lunch at their machines because there was no washroom or lunchroom. No
fire escapes. No sprinklers. No ladder. Window sealed tight.

There was no union. If you even thought unions, it was out. Out1 Out!
Ask for a raise? Out! Take two days off sick. Out! Think Out! The
supervisor and foreman were paid to keep the workers down. They were on
some sort of bonus they got to run that place as a sweatshop. Three
bucks a week, and she walked four miles to work, there and back and that
money kept her Dad, he lost a leg in the bush, and me alive. I won't say
how, but here I am prove it. Alive and kicking.

The war came along and all the Rosi the Rivetters were making 20, 25
bucks a week in the shipyards and building trucks, and here were all
these women on the machines still making about six or seven bucks.
Coolie wages. They didn't speak English, the didn't understand what was
going on, just those heavy machines going hours on end. Not even looking
up, making sailor suits for the navy and uniforms for the army and other
things for war.

It was slave, slave, slave, taking dirt and eating dirt, and if anybody
had given them a kind word those women would have fallen over death from
the shock. I know that. Bodies lying all over the factory floor.

Somewhere along during the war the man who owned this factory and his
son were given a commendation from the Canadian government because of
their valuable contribution to the nation's war effort."

What is A Day's Work? Page 140
"Wages never was much good in B. C. I don't care what others say. I
can't remember no things getting good. Nobody else I know too. It was
just hard work and most of us on the river worked at day labor. That's
all there was.

There was a mill down on the river across from New Westminster and you
got $1 a day for stacking heavy shingles blocks. A day could mean five
hours or 15 hours. The day meant as long as the company needed you. It
could mean 24 hours straight, and sometime it was. If there was shingles
to handle, you stayed because you got paid at the end of each day and if
you left, then you was blackballed. It was just about the only mill
working on the Fraser around there, so what could you do?

One day an organizer joined the crew and told us we was working worse
than anyone in Canada. We said we knew that. The foreman heard us
talking and said if we walked off, he could have another gang on the job
by afternoon or next morning. We didn't quit, or strike or wildcat or do
nothing. Just kept piling those blocks.

You didn't have time to do anything. If you got off, paid off at seven
o' clock, than you went home and fell into bed, and the wife used to
take off my shoes and socks because I had fallen asleep. Then about
midnight I'd usually wake up and she be sitting up, mending or sewing or
something, and she feed me a little supper and I'd fall asleep again
until six in the morning. Day after day. That wasn't living. That wasn't
even existing."

End


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > Hitler got elected because he promised jobs. other leader similar
> > tactics at that time!
> >
> 
>   You might want to consider a verb in that second sentence.
> 
> whd

You must have noticed that I am no expert in writing?

I earned my living working in smelters an  in the bush. My tools (
Automotive Mechanic, Heavy Duty Mechanic and Millwright ) were sledge
hammers and wrenches. It was only after I retired with time on my hand
that I learned typing. I can see now where I should have inserted "used"
in the second sentence. Thanks for the tip

Werner Knoll
> --
> Morghus, in 73fedc95.0108161718.6bd60250@posting.google.com, says:
> 
> The bogus farm-house chambers were also supposed to be able to
> accomodate 2,000 people each.  That's where the interrogators dreamed
> up their peak capacity of 10,000 in 1941 at the farmhouses.

People should be lucky they were not. 

> 
> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_ugroup=alt.revisionism&as_umsgid=73fedc95.0108161718.6bd60250%40posting.google.com
> 
> for the complete post.


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Larry J wrote:
> 
> On 14 Dec 2001, Werner Knoll  tapped on a keyboard and
> said:
> > Hitler got elected because he promised jobs.
> 
> I guess he just forgot to mention that they would be jobs as killers.

They were only killers because they were on the wrong side! :-))))


Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into an extortion
business


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > William Daffer wrote:
> > >


> > >   You might want to consider a verb in that second sentence.
> > >
> > > whd
> >
> > You must have noticed that I am no expert in writing?
> >
> 
>   Duh.
> 
> 
> > I earned my living working in smelters an in the bush. My tools (
> > Automotive Mechanic, Heavy Duty Mechanic and Millwright ) were
> > sledge hammers and wrenches. It was only after I retired with time
> > on my hand that I learned typing. I can see now where I should have
> > inserted "used" in the second sentence. Thanks for the tip
> >
> 
>   Du rien.
> 
>   Another tip. Consider a course in logic. You're in dire need of one.
> 
> whd

My system works otherwise yo would not be replying?

Pissing in the swimming pool when you are in the water will get you
nowhere. Do it from from a 10 meter springboard and everybody will
notice you!

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into an extortion
business


> --
> Matters about which Joe Bellinger has lied and continues to lie:
> 
> Butler,Gilbert,Death Dealer, Amidah, C for Convert, Christians in
> Israel, Pranatis and Russian Translation of Talmud, and anytime he
> claims to have killfiled you.
> 
> Oh, and anytime he claims to have 'trounced' anyone.


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Richard Phillips  writes:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > =================================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > Can someone tell me just what that "change" was.
> 
>   *Bwahahahahahahah*
> 
>   There was no change. He was confused about the difference between a
>   calorie and a kilo-calorie, also written as Calorie.
> 
> > I have always supposed that a gm-calorie/kg-calorie is the heat
> > necessary to warm 1 gm/1 kg of water through 1 degree Celsius. Has
> > this definition changed?
> >
> 
>   It's not a 'gm-calorie' and a 'kg-calorie.' The latter doesn't
>   exist. The spelling 'calorie' is always used when the unit of mass
>   is a gram and 'Calorie' when it's a kilogram.
> 
> whd

I have in my hands a proclamation by the City of Nürnberg about the
ration we are entitled to:

Rations from 23. June to 20. July 1947:

Adults:

Bread		6000 gr
Fat		 200 gr
Meat		 400 gr
Victuals	 800 gr
Cheese		 125 gr
Sugar		 500 gr
Coffee		 --  gr
Potato	       10000 gr
Skim Milk	3 Liter
Fish		 500 gr

Can you spend some time to find out how many Calories this are?

Kurt and I can tell you, we were almost killed  for stealing table
scraps from the American soup kitchen.

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown, Ken McVay's foreskin.




> --
> Richard Phillips, in <3BA0C85C.BC6E764C@earthlink.net> show's his
> humanity by saying:
> 
>   As for your priceless World Trade Center... my only regret
>   is that they didn't demolish the obscenities totally by
>   crashing into them at a much lower point."


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > >   Another tip. Consider a course in logic. You're in dire need of one.
> > >
> > > whd
> >
> > My system works otherwise yo would not be replying?
> >
> 
>   Not very well, I don't respond to you all that often. And what does
>   your 'system' have to do with your inability to reason?

People I talk too have no problem understanding what I am saying.
Perhaps there is a age difference in-between you and me?


> 
> > Pissing in the swimming pool when you are in the water will get you
> > nowhere. Do it from from a 10 meter springboard and everybody will
> > notice you!
> >
> 
>   So that's what you're doing here, Werner, pissing in the swimming
>   pool?

Not very likely? Give me a chance and open your mouth! :-)))

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into an extortion
business.


> 
>   Thanks for acknowledging what we already knew.
> 
> whd
> --
> Kurt Knolls enjoins us:
> 
>   Bellow is your Gas Wagon Jeffery Enjoy.


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How about you? You are nothing more than a modern version of a cuckoo
clock and Ken Mcvays' foreskin.

To top it of; you are a Holocaust denier and a Liar, Liar, Liar.

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown Ken McVays windup doll.

"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1B86D9.AB79FFE2@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > William Daffer wrote:
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > >   Another tip. Consider a course in logic. You're in dire need of one.
> > >
> > > whd
> >
> > My system works
> 
> Wrong, Naziboy -- unless your goal is to make yourself look like an uneducated,
> bigoted cretin.
> 
> In that case, your "system" is working beautifully. Don't change a thing.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
> to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > William Daffer wrote:


> > > > I have always supposed that a gm-calorie/kg-calorie is the heat
> > > > necessary to warm 1 gm/1 kg of water through 1 degree Celsius. Has
> > > > this definition changed?
> > > >
> > >
> > >   It's not a 'gm-calorie' and a 'kg-calorie.' The latter doesn't
> > >   exist. The spelling 'calorie' is always used when the unit of mass
> > >   is a gram and 'Calorie' when it's a kilogram.
> > >
> > > whd
> >
> > I have in my hands a proclamation by the City of Nürnberg about the
> > ration we are entitled to:
> >
> > Rations from 23. June to 20. July 1947:
> >
> > Adults:
> >
> > Bread         6000 gr
> > Fat            200 gr
> > Meat           400 gr
> > Victuals       800 gr
> > Cheese                 125 gr
> > Sugar          500 gr
> > Coffee                 --  gr
> > Potato               10000 gr
> > Skim Milk     3 Liter
> > Fish           500 gr
> >
> > Can you spend some time to find out how many Calories this are?
> >
> > Kurt and I can tell you, we were almost killed  for stealing table
> > scraps from the American soup kitchen.
> >
> 
>   And what has this to do with anything?
> 
> > Werner Knoll
> 
>   Survivor of the T4 program.
> 
> whd

You seem to be the expert on calories and ten penny nails?

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazi's into an extortion
business


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SW wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message
> news:3C1B9174.8E7B51DB@telus.net...
> >
> >


> > I have in my hands a proclamation by the City of Nürnberg about the
> > ration we are entitled to:
> >
> > Rations from 23. June to 20. July 1947:
> >
> > Adults:
> >
> > Bread 6000 gr
> > Fat 200 gr
> > Meat 400 gr
> > Victuals 800 gr
> > Cheese 125 gr
> > Sugar 500 gr
> > Coffee --  gr
> > Potato        10000 gr
> > Skim Milk 3 Liter
> > Fish 500 gr
> >
> > Can you spend some time to find out how many Calories this are?
> >
> > Kurt and I can tell you, we were almost killed  for stealing table
> > scraps from the American soup kitchen.
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> > Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
> > Brown, Ken McVay's foreskin.
> 
> Figure it out yourself.  Obviously, it wasn't the starvation diet you and
> your Nazi pals dished out to your prisoners.  After all, you and your
> retarded brother are still here whining about it.
> 
> sw

I do not recall us wasting food and not giving anything to feed the
prisoners.

I do recall being chased away by American Soldiers for trying to bring
water to German prisoners!

I do recall one evening a truckload of frozen chicken being unloaded at
the corner of Regensburger Straße and Scharrer Straße. Two American
Soldiers with machine pistols staying guard as their partners put
gasoline on it and set it on fire.

Kurt and me waited till they were gone and pulled out some chicken we
still could use.

Werner Knoll


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > William Daffer wrote:


> > >   Not very well, I don't respond to you all that often. And what does
> > >   your 'system' have to do with your inability to reason?
> >
> > People I talk too have no problem understanding what I am saying.
> > Perhaps there is a age difference in-between you and me?
> >
> 
>   Oh, I can understand you. That doesn't mean that you're rational.

Rational: Logical basis of anything...

For example saying "you stink is rational!"


> > >   So that's what you're doing here, Werner, pissing in the swimming
> > >   pool?
> >
> > Not very likely? Give me a chance and open your mouth! :-)))
> >
> 
>   Oh, that's good. We have about 5 revisionists running around in this
>   newsgroup and they're all fixated on homoerotic perversions. You've
>   just increased that number by one.
> 
> > Werner Knoll

Are this the 5 who do not believe in the Jewish soap story?

> 
>   Survivor of the T4 program.
> 
> whd


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Orac wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1A7A7D.D10B5B10@telus.net>,
>  Werner Knoll  wrote:
> 
> > William Daffer wrote:


> > I am always suspicious when people tell me that I have to believe what
> > they are telling me. What If the sound was tampered with so somebody
> > could put his own spin on it?
> 
> Then I'm sure, now that the tape is widely available, someone will have
> the appropriate experts go over the tape with a fine tooth comb and
> prove it was tampered with. No one has done so thus far, or even said
> they were going to try to prove that the tape was tampered with.

And the Americans would be more than willing to give them the original
to compare?


HAAAAA Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. :-)))))))))))))))))))))

Here is what Nixon said:

Nixon

Vancouver Province Thursday, October 7, 1999

Tapes show anti - Semite

WASHINGTON - Tape recordings of U.S. President Richard Nixon at the
White House show him to be a foul - mouthed anti - Semite.

The tapes are the first of thousands of hours of recordings ordered by
Nixon to chronicle his second term.

Released by the National Archives, the tapes cover February to July
1971, when unemployment was rising and the U.S. was suffering heavy
losses in Vietnam.

In a conversation with H. R. Haldeman, his chief of staff, Nixon talks
of his problems with "the Jews."


Washington, he says, "is full of Jews." After noting several exceptions
to his rule, Nixon adds: "Most Jews are disloyal. Generally speaking,
you can't trust the bastards. The turn on you. Am I wrong or right?"

In July 1971 Nixon felt he was undermined by unexpected release of bad
unemployment ?? by the Bureau of Labour Statistics. He ordered CHxxx?
Colson to investigate the bureau with a view to sacking its Jewish head.

On the tapes Colson lists the names of the leading officials, at which
Nixon exclaimed incredulously: "They are all Jews?" Colson replies:
"Every one of them. Well with a couple of exceptions. You just have xx?
down the god dam list and you know they are out to kill us."

End.



Werner Knoll
> 
> [Snip]
> 
> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"


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Orac wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1AC8C0.31315964@telus.net>,
>  Werner Knoll  wrote:
> 
> > William Daffer wrote:
> 
> > >   You might want to consider a verb in that second sentence.
> > >
> > > whd
> >
> > You must have noticed that I am no expert in writing?
> 
> I nominate this as the a.r. understatement of the year for 2001.

Can I buy anything with it?

Werner Knoll
> 
> [Snip]
> 
> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"


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Orac wrote:
> 
> In article ,
>  William Daffer  wrote:
> 
> > Werner Knoll  writes:
> >
> > > William Daffer wrote:


> >
> >   Oh, that's good. We have about 5 revisionists running around in this
> >   newsgroup and they're all fixated on homoerotic perversions. You've
> >   just increased that number by one.
> 
> What is it about deniers that makes them so fixated on such topics? We
> now have Werner talking about golden showers. We used to have Donny
> fixated on scat and various perversions involving feces. 

With qualifications like this or name should by on the NAMBILA/NIZKOR
leadership list!:-))))


> 
> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"


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Eisenhower:
>From the book "OTHER LOSSES" by James Bacque. The book order number is
ISBN 0 - 7736 - 7309 - 1 This is a Revised Edition.

Page VIII 1947 - 1950s Most records of U.S. prison camps are destroyed.
Germans determine that over 1,700,000 soldiers alive at war's end, never
returned home.  All Allies deny responsibility; the U.S., Britain and
France accuse Russia of atrocities in camps.
1960 - 1972 The West German Foreign Office under Willi Brandt subsidizes
books that deny atrocities in U.S. camps.  U.S. Senators accuse Russians
of atrocities, but say nothing of U.S. camps.

Page 9	There would be massive starvation if the industrial base were
destroyed. According to Gordel Hull the secretary of state, "the
Morgenthau Plan would wipe out everything in Germany except land, and
the Germans would have to live on the land.  This meant that only 60
percent of the German population could support themselves on German
land, and the other 40 percent would die." Hull is speaking here of the
deaths of about 20 million German civilians. Churchill said the plan was
"unnatural, unchristian and unnecessary" 

Page 17 Eisenhower and his staff were responsible for the care and
feeding of all prisoners according to the Geneva Convention.

Page 25 The minimum to maintain life for adults lying down, doing no
work but self-care, varies from 1,000 to 2,250 calories per day,
according to various experts.

Page 30 The "chaos" which Eisenhower had said would prevent the Germans
>from feeding themselves was of course going to be created by the Allies
themselves, because they would dismantle the central German
institutions, including welfare agencies. There was no more German
institution.

Page 34 "German supplies were uncovered in huge quantities.  The supply
officers in the field could not get what they needed for the prisoners,
because the commanding general refused to issue it. In some camps, the
men were so crowded they could not even lie down.
Page 36 The German Division Commander reported that the men had not
eaten for the last two day's, and the provision of water was a mayor
problem-yet only 200 yards away was the river Rhine running bank-full.
One inmate at Rheinberg was over 80 years old and another was nine...

 
Page 38 Our clothing was infected and so was the mud where we had to
walk and sit and lie down.  There was no water at all at first, except
the rain, then after a couple of weeks we could get a little water from
a standpipe.  But most of use had nothing to carry it in, so we could
get only get a few mouthfuls after hours of lining up. 

Page 179 Brigadier General Bayne-Jones admits that one of the causes of
disaster in the camp was that the prisoners were deprived of their
messing equipment so that food could not be cooked or distributed
properly.

Page 39  "The Americans were really shitty to us," said Heinz T. at the
beginning, when there were still trees in the camp, some men managed to
cut of some limbs to build a fire.  The guards ordered them to put it
out. In many of the cages, there were forbidden to dig holes in the
ground for shelter. "All we had to eat was grass,"

Page 40 Georg Weiss, a tank repairman, said his camp on the Rhine was so
crowded that "we couldn't even lie down properly.  All night we had to
sit up jammed against each other. But the lack of water was the worst
think of all.  For three and a half days we had no water at all.  We
would drink our own urine.  It tasted terrible, but what could you do? 
Some men got down on the ground and licked the ground to get some
moisture.  I was so weak I was already on my knees, when finally got a
little water to drink.  I think I would have died without that water. 
But the Rhine was just outside the wire.  The guards sold us water
through wire and cigarettes.  One cigarette cost 900 marks.  I saw
thousands dying.  They took the bodies away on trucks.

Page 45 Wolfgang Iff said that in his sub-section of perhaps 10,000
people at Rheinberg, 30 to 40 bodies were dragged out every day. A
member of the burial commando, Iff was well placed to see what was going
on.  He got extra food so he would help drag the dead from the cage to
the gate of the camp, where they carried them in wheelbarrows to several
big steel garages. They stripped the corpses of clothing, snapped of
half the aluminum dog tag, spread the bodies in layers of fifteen to
twenty, threw ten shovelsfull of quicklime lime over them, and stacked
them one meter high. 

Page 46 The prisoners were never told what happened to the corpses, but
German construction crews in the fifties and gravediggers in the
eighties have discovered at Rheinberg human remains with German Army
World War II aluminum dog tags jumbled closely together in a common
graves with no sign of coffin or gravemarker.

Page 58 Field Marshal Montgomery believed the Americans had loaded
themselves down with huge numbers of prisoners out of vainglory, not
military necessity.

 Page 64 May first and June 15, 1945 the Medical Corps officers recorded
a horrendous death rate, 80 times as high as anything they had ever
observed in their lives.  They efficiently totted up the cause of death:
so many from dysentery and diarrhea, so many from typhoid fever,
tetanus, septicemia. 

 Page 65 The surveying doctors were calm in their knowledge the "former
patients" like young Heinz T. Were taken from their hospital beds and
send sick and half-naked into barbed wire cages to sleep in mud, while
thousands of beds in the hospitals went empty.

Page 68   "This wasn't good journalism," said Charles Lynch, the
Canadian war correspondent.  "It wasn't journalism at all."  By the end
of May more people had died in the U.S. camps than died in the atomic
blast at Hiroshima.  Not a word reached the press.

 
Page 73 and Page 74 As the French, American, British and Canadian
prisoners numbering about 2,000,000 were leaving German barbed wire for
freedom that spring, the Red Cross was there to welcome them with food
parcels drawn from the millions still in storage in their warehouses in
Switzerland. The returning prisoners thanked the Red Cross for saving
their lives with the food parcels send to them in the camps.  From the
Germans the had received about 1,500 calories per day.  The
effectiveness of the Red Cross care was demonstrated in a single figure:
over 98% of the captured men were coming home safe, according to a news
release or the American Red Cross in May 1945.  They were in good health
thanks not only to the food but also the clothing and medicine, which
had arrived safely by mail.

Page 80 So vengeance assumed the name of duty. In order to keep Quakers
>from helping children, Eisenhower invokes the "duty" of the Germans to
do what they were prevented from doing.  The "German Agencies" that he
mentioned to Marshall did not exist, because they were forbidden or
drastically curtailed in the U.S. zone of Germany and remained so for
over a year.  "Strictly speaking, there was no German Red Cross,"
because it had been abolished by the Allies.

Page 147 Inside Germany, Eisenhower or his deputies ran everything, so
censorship was much easier to maintain.  Newspapers, radio-stations,
book publishers, even movie theaters had to have licenses to operate in
the U.S. zone.  For a long time, they had no freedom, but free
propaganda.

Page 184 Former West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer who deplored the
U.S. death camps along the Rhine in very strong terms.  He said: Some of
the German POWs are being held in camps in a manner contrary to all
humanitarian principles and flagrantly contrary to the Geneva
Convention.  The German prisoners have been penned up for weeks without
any protection from the weather without drinking water, without medical
care and with only a few slices of bread to eat.  They could not even
lie down on the ground.  But ordinary people say "Any person who treats
POWs this way is not much better than the Nazis.  I know that the
Russian prisoners were badly treated by the Germans in 1941 and 1942 and
we ought to be ashamed of the fact, but I feel that you ought not to do
the same thing.  German prisoners too in camps ate grass and picked
leaves from the trees because they were hungry exactly as the Russians
unfortunately did.... Please allow me to say frankly, in very important
matters... the Allies have used the same methods as the Germans.



End

Werner Knoll

Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> >
> 
> > I do recall being chased away by American Soldiers for trying to bring
> > water to German prisoners!
> 
> Well, good.  Letting Hitler Jugend types near the prisoners would have
> been horrible security.  I'm sure that the ubermenschen got all the
> water that their captors thought they needed.
> 
> --
> -------------------------------------
> There's a widow in sleepy Chester
>   Who weeps for her only son;
> There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
>   A grave that the Burmans shun,
> And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
>   Who tells how the work was done.
> -------------------------------------


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Eisenhower:
> > >From the book "OTHER LOSSES" by James Bacque.
> 
> Bacque can't do math -- just one of his mistakes was an order of
> magnitude.
> 
> Pity that the Morgenthau Plan was never used, eh?
> 
> --
> -------------------------------------
> There's a widow in sleepy Chester
>   Who weeps for her only son;
> There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
>   A grave that the Burmans shun,
> And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
>   Who tells how the work was done.
> -------------------------------------

In his book he write many stories we were familiar with!

One of my brother's Jean ( Schank ) an aircraft mechanic 20 years old
was taken prisoner in 1945 by the British and handed over to the French.
He ended up in Toulouse France and almost died.

He told us what was going on and begged  us never to forget what
happened to him.

In page 131 in Other Losses it says: the death rate in January 1946 was
17%

As to the Morgenthau Plan? Your Jewish bastard Morgenthau would have
gotten away with it if it wouldn't have been for the Russian's who were
a threat to the American! The very existence of Israel is the result of
what the Nazis did to the jews. Count your blessing!

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organization's have made the deeds of the Nazi's into an
extortion business


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Orac wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1BCBD5.F4410B99@telus.net>,
>  Werner Knoll  wrote:
> 
> > Orac wrote:
> > >


> > > Then I'm sure, now that the tape is widely available, someone will have
> > > the appropriate experts go over the tape with a fine tooth comb and
> > > prove it was tampered with. No one has done so thus far, or even said
> > > they were going to try to prove that the tape was tampered with.
> >
> > And the Americans would be more than willing to give them the original
> > to compare?
> >
> >
> > HAAAAA Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. :-)))))))))))))))))))))
> 
> You don't need the original to do most analyses. One can easily compare
> the voice on a copy of the bin Laden tape to old tapes of bin Laden to
> determine if it is really him. One can also still examine a copy to tell
> if the tape has been tampered with or edited.
> 
> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"

Without the Original at hand? :-))))


Werner Knoll


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Orac wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1BCF1E.1F55A124@telus.net>,
>  Werner Knoll  wrote:
> 
> > Orac wrote:

> > > What is it about deniers that makes them so fixated on such topics? We
> > > now have Werner talking about golden showers. We used to have Donny
> > > fixated on scat and various perversions involving feces. 
> >
> > With qualifications like this or name should by on the NAMBILA/NIZKOR
> > leadership list!:-))))
> 
> It is hard not to notice how you edited out the comment you made that
> preciptated Daffers' observation about deniers and homoerotic
> perversions. I'm sure it must have been an oversight on your part. Here
> it is again:
> 
> Daffer said:
> 
> > > >   So that's what you're doing here, Werner, pissing in the swimming
> > > >   pool?
> 
> And you said:
> 
> > >
> > > Not very likely? Give me a chance and open your mouth! :-)))
> 
> (All from Message-ID: <3C1B9308.6C3B45B2@telus.net>)
> 
> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"

I should have left it in its place because it sound like music to me!

I do hope to have a case of beer at hand before I start.

Werner Knoll


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I have a printout of this on my files and I wonder what could be the
reason to discredit Bacque

The only reason I can see is damage control!

Did you know Ken Mcshit send me a copy on 31, May 1999 by Masturbating
for Nizkor.
It also says that it was modified 1998/07/04

Is your Ambrose guy a revisionist? Perhaps he could look into the Jewish
soap story to make it official?

Have a good day. :-)))

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose Jeffrey G. Brown
too



Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1BD0DA.F82537BF@telus.net...
> 
> > Eisenhower:
> > >From the book "OTHER LOSSES" by James Bacque. The book order number is
> > ISBN 0 - 7736 - 7309 - 1 This is a Revised Edition.
> 
> (snip)
> 
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//b/bacque.james/ambrose.0
> 01
> 
> Ike and the Disappearing Atrocities
>                       by Stephen E. Ambrose
> 
>            New York Times Book Review, February 24, 1991
> 
>    Seldom has the publication of a historical monograph on a subject
>    ordinarily of interest only to a few specialists - the treatment of
>    prisoners of war - received so much attention or excited so much
>    anger as James Bacque's "Other Losses." Published in 1989 in
>    Canada, it was the subject of a cover story in the popular Canadian
>    magazine Saturday Night, of a British Broadcasting Corporation
>    documentary, of two German television documentaries and of a coming
>    Canadian Broadcasting Network documentary. (The Canadian book, I
>    should say immediately, carries a jacket blurb from me that was
>    taken out of context and used without permission) It has been
>    discussed on American television, in Time magazine and in many
>    other news media outlets. In its German edition, it was a runaway
>    best seller. The British edition elicited major reviews in the
>    Times Literary Supliment and elsewhere. Prima Publishing of
>    California intendes to publish the book in May, which could fan the
>    flames in the United States.
> 
>    The reason for the notoriety is the author's conclusion that Gen.
>    Dwight D. Eisenhower, as head of the American occupation of Germany
>    in 1945, deliberately starved to death German prisoners of war in
>    staggering numbers. Mr. Bacque charges that "the victims
>    undoubtedly number over 800,000, almost certainly over 800,000 and
>    quite likely over a million. Their deaths were knowingly caused by
>    army officers who had sufficient resources to keep the prisoners
>    alive."
> 
>    Eisenhower's method, according to Mr. Bacque, was simple: he
>    changed the designation of the prisoners from "Prisoners of War"
>    (P.O.W.), required by the Geneva Convention to be fed the same
>    rations as American G.I.'s, to "Disarmed Enemy Forces" (D.E.F.),
>    which allowed him to cut their rations to starvation level. Mr.
>    Bacque says the D.E.F. were also denied medical supplies and
>    shelter. They died by the hundreds of thousands. Their deaths were
>    covered up on Army records by listing them as "other looses" on
>    charts showing weekly totals of prisoners on hand, numbers
>    discharged and so forth.
> 
>    So outraged is Mr. Bacque by his discovery of this heinous crime
>    that he has been quoted in a wire service interview as saying
>    Americans "should take down every statue of Eisenhower, and every
>    photograph of him and annul his memory from American history as
>    best they can, except to say, 'Here was a man who did very evil
>    things that we're ashamed of.'" Questions immediately arise. If
>    there were a million dead, where are the bodies? Did Eisenhower
>    have such vast power that he could order starvation on a mass scale
>    and keep it a secret? Was the undoubted suffering in the camps,
>    especially the transit camps along the Rhine, the result of
>    Eisenhower's policy or the result of the chaotic conditions that
>    prevailed in Europe in the spring and summer of 1945?
> 
>    Mr. Bacque, a Canadian novelist with no previous historical
>    research or writing experience, says in his introduction:
>    "Doubtless many scholars will find faults in this book, which are
>    only mine. I welcome their criticism and their further research,
>    which may help to restore to us the truth after a long night of
>    lies." Last December, the Eisenhower Center at the University of
>    New Orleans invited some leading experts on the period to examine
>    the charges. The conference participants, including me, plan to
>    publish the papers in book form.
> 
>    Our first conclusion was that Mr. Bacque had made a major
>    historical discovery. There _was_ wdiespread mistreatment of German
>    prisoners in the spring and summer of 1945. Men were beaten, denied
>    water, forced to live in open camps without shelter, given
>    inadequate food rations and inadequate medical care. Their mail was
>    withheld. In some cases prisoners made a "soup" of water and grass
>    in order to deal with their hunger. Men did die needlessly and
>    inexcusably. This must be confronted, and it is to Mr. Bacque's
>    credit that he forces us to do so.
> 
>    Our second conclusion was that when scholars do the necessary
>    research, they will find Mr. Bacque's work to be worse than
>    worthless. It is seriously - nay, spectacularly - flawed in its
>    most fundamental aspects. Mr. Bacque misuses documents; he misreads
>    documents; he ignores contrary evidence; his statistical
>    methodology is hopelessly compromised; he makes no attempt to look
>    at comparative contexts; he puts words into the mouth of his
>    principal source; he ignores a readily available and absolutely
>    critical source that decisively deals with his central accusation;
>    and, as a consequence of these and and other shortcomings, he
>    reaches conclusions and makes charges that are demonstrably absurd.
> 
>    Apart from its assessment of Mr. Bacque's findings, however, the
>    conference - along with the book itself - raises a larger issue:
>    how are readers who are not experts to judge a work that makes
>    new, startling, indeed outrageious, claims? Without the knowledge
>    or the time to investigate, how are they to know if an author has
>    finally revealed the truth "after a long night of lies," or is
>    simply misleading an unwary public?
> 
>    As for Mr. Bacque's claims, the most immediate question is that of
>    Eisenhower's motive: why on earth would Ike do such a thing? Mr.
>    Bacque answers that Eisenhower hated the Germans. Now it is
>    absolutely true that in the spring of 1945, Eisenhower's anger at
>    the Germans was very great. He never attempted to hide these
>    feelings. In "Crusade in Europe," published in 1948, he wrote, "In
>    my personal reactions, as the months of conflict wore on, I grew
>    constantly more bitter against the Germans." He relates that he
>    signed tens of thousands of letters of condolence to the wives and
>    mothers of his fallen men, and he wrote, "I know of no more
>    effective means of developing an undying hatred of those
>    responsible for aggressive war than to assume the obligation of
>    attemption to express sympathy to families bereaved by it." The
>    uncovering of the concentration camps added to his emotion.
> 
>    Eisenhower was an enthusiastic supporter of denazification, but not
>    because he hated the Germans or believed in collective guilt. To
>    the contrary, he believed that there were Germans who were
>    committed to democracy and that the task of the occupation was to
>    find them and bring them to the fore. In a speech in Frankfurt in
>    1945, he declared "The success or failure of this occupation will
>    be judged by the character of the Germans 50 years from now. Proof
>    will come when they begin to run a democracy of their own and we
>    are going to give the Germans a chance to do that, in time." This
>    does not sound like a man who simultaneously was directing the
>    death by starvation of one million young Germans.
> 
>    Mr. Bacque completely misunderstands Eisenhower's position and
>    activity in the occupation. He puts full responsibility on
>    Eisenhower for every policy decision, never recognizing that he had
>    superiors from whom he took policy directives and orders -
>    specifically, the Army Chief of Staff, the European Advisory
>    Commission, acting in the name and with the authority of the
>    British, Soviet and American Governments, the Joint Chiefs of
>    Staff, the Combined Chiefs of Staff, that is, the American Joint
>    Chiefs and the British Chiefs of Staff; and the heads of the
>    British and American Governments. The report at the New Orleans
>    conference on the diplomatic background, by Brian Villa of the
>    University of Ottawa, noted that the policy of Eisenhower's
>    superiors was to impress upon the Germans the fact of their defeat,
>    the fact that they had brought it on themselves and in other ways
>    to "treat 'em rough." Denazification was one aspect of that policy.
>    Another was that German prisoners would not be fed at a higher
>    level than German civilians, than the civilians of the liberated
>    nations, or than the displaced persons (DPs).
> 
>    An assertion that is central to Mr. Bacque's accusation is his
>    contention that there was no European food shortage in 1945. He
>    points to warehouses in Germany full of food. He says that the Red
>    Cross had food available. One of his most daming pieces of evidence
>    is that a train from Geneva loaded with food parcels sent by the
>    Red Cross to feed German prisoners was forced to turn back.
> 
>    This is shocking - food was available, men were hungry and American
>    officers ordered the train to return to Geneva. But there was a
>    reason: the Allied Governments had decided that Red Cross food
>    parcels would be used to feed displaced persons, of whom there were
>    more than two million in Germany, and the orders to Eisenhower on
>    this policy were explicit. So DPs got those food parcels. It is
>    painful beyond description to have to set food priorities in a
>    hungry world, but it had to be done, and who could argue with the
>    decision?
> 
>    In his conference report on the food situation in Germany, James
>    Tent of the University of Alabama - Brimingham says there was no
>    question that there were severe shortages. Still, as Mr. Tent
>    points out, there was food stocked in warehouses that was not
>    distributed to prisoners living on a near-starvation diet. Again,
>    this is shocking, until the reason is noted. The Allied Governments
>    were fearful of famine in the winter of 1945-46, and they were
>    stockpiling food. Even with the reserves, they barely got through
>    the winter, and it was three years before the European foot
>    shortage was overcome.
> 
>    Mr. Bacque's myth was Eisenhower's nightmare. No food shortage?
>    Eisenhower wrote the Chief of Staff, Gen. George C. Marshall, in
>    Februayr 1945: "I am very much concerned about the food
>    situation... We now have no reserves on the Continent of supplies
>    for the civil population."
> 
>    And here is Eisenhower writing to the Combined Chiefs of Staff on
>    April 25, 1945: "Unless immediate steps are taken to develop to the
>    fullest extent possible the food resources in order to provide the
>    minimum wants of the German population, widespread chaos,
>    starvation and disease are inevitable during the coming winter."
> 
>    These - and many, many similar messages - went out before the
>    surrender. After the first week of May, all of Eisenhower's
>    calculations as to how many people he would be required to feed in
>    occupied Germany became woefully inadequate. He had badly
>    underestimated, for two reasons. First, the number of German
>    soldiers surrendering to the Western Allies far exceeded what was
>    expected (more than five million, instead of the anticipated three
>    million) because of the onrush of German soldiers across the Elbe
>    River to escape the Russians. So too with German civilians - there
>    were millions fleeing from east to west, about 13 million
>    altogether, and they became Eisenhower's responsibility. Eisenhower
>    faced shortages even before he learned that there were 17 million
>    more people to feed in Germany than he had expected.
> 
>    No food shortage? This is the report of the Military Governor for
>    Germany in July 1945: "The food situation throughout Western
>    Germany is perhaps the most serious problem of the occupation. The
>    average food consumption in the Western Zones is now about
>    one-third below the generally accepted subsistence level." The
>    September report declares, "Food from indigenous sources was not
>    available to meet the present authorized ration level for the
>    normal consumer, of 1,550 calories per day."
> 
>    Mr. Bacque says that the prisoners were receiving 1,550 calories a
>    day, and he contends that such a ration means slow starvation. He
>    apparently never looked at what civilians were getting, in Germany
>    or in the liberated countries. In Paris in 1945, the calorie level
>    was 1,550 for civilians. It was only slightly higher in Briatin,
>    where rationing continued. It was much lower in Russia, where
>    rationing also continued. As noted, the official ration for German
>    civilians was 1,550, but often not met. In Vienna in the summer of
>    1945 the official ration sometimes fell to 500.
> 
>    There is such a thing as common sense. Anyone who was in Europe in
>    the summer of 1945 would be flabbergasted to hear that there was no
>    food shortage.
> 
>    According to Mr. Bacque, Eisenhower personally, secretly, and with
>    sinister intent changed the status of surrendered German soldiers
>    from prisoners of war to disarmed enemy forces. In fact, the change
>    in designation was a policy matter. The decision was made not by
>    Eisenhower but by his superiors, specifically by the European
>    Advisory Commission. Nor was any attempt made to keep it secret.
>    All those involved acted with the authority of the British, Russian
>    and American Governments, and they were perfectly straightforward
>    about the reason for the change in status.
> 
>    What happened is simple enough: the Allies could not afford to feed
>    the millions of German prisoners at the same level at which they
>    were able to feed German civilians, not to mention the civilians of
>    the liberated countries of Western Europe, and not to mention as
>    well the displaced persons. But the United States and other Allied
>    nations had signed the Geneva Convention, which had the force of a
>    treaty. They did not wish to violate it, so they used the new
>    designation of "Disarmed Enemy Forces." The orders to the field
>    commanders were straighforward: do not feed the DEF's at a higher
>    scale than German civilians.
> 
>    With regard to another of Mr. Bacque's conclusions, he arrives at
>    his sensational figure of one million dead through a system of
>    analysis that has left almost everyone who has tried to check his
>    statistics and methods befuddled. He did make one mistake because
>    of a typing error by a clerk. He saw a figure of 70,000 prisoners
>    in an Army medical report and then calculated the total death rate
>    for all prisoners in American hands on the basis of that number and
>    the 21,000 deaths also mentioned in the report. That is, he arrived
>    at his most basic conclusion, a death rate in all camps of 30
>    percent, by dividing the 21,000 deaths by the 70,000 prisoners.
>    However, the 70,000 figure should have been 10 times higher. All
>    other figures in the document make it clear that the correct number
>    of prisoners was 700,000. This would make the death rate not 30
>    percent but 3 percent.
> 
>    In fact, as Albert Cowdrey of the Department of the Army's Center
>    of Military History reported to the conference, the overall death
>    rate among German prisoners was 1 percent.
> 
>    Mr. Cowdrey's conclusion, strongly supported by another conference
>    participant, Maj. Ruediger Overmans of the German Office of
>    Military History in Freiburg (who is writing the final volume of
>    the official Germany history of the war), is that the total death
>    by all causes of German prisoners in American hands could not have
>    been greater than 56,000.
> 
>    Finally, there is the matter of the column of figures in the weekly
>    reports of the United States Army Theater Provost Marshal entitled
>    "Other Losses." It is here that Mr. Bacque finds his "missing
>    million."
> 
>    What were the "other losses?" Mr. Bacque interviewed Philip S.
>    Lauben, a retired Army colonel who was a member of the German
>    Affairs Branch of Eisenhower's headquarters in 1945. He writes that
>    Colonel Lauben told him "other losses" meant "deaths and escapes."
> 
>    "How many escapes?"  Mr. Bacque asked.
> 
>    "Very, very minor," Colonel Lauben replied. Mr. Bacque says they
>    were less than one-tenth of 1 percent, with no explanation of how
>    he arrived at such a figure.
> 
>    Neil Cameron, the producer of the BBC documentary about "Other
>    Losses," told the conference that he had obtained from Mr. Bacque
>    the tape of the interview. It seemed clear to Mr. Cameron that Mr.
>    Bacque had got an old man to agree with words that Mr. Bacque used
>    and then put in his mouth. Mr. Cameron did his own on-camera
>    interview with Colonel Lauben; in it, Colonel Lauben said he was
>    misled by Mr. Bacque and was wrong about the meaning of the term
>    "other losses."
> 
>    David Hawkins of CNN wanted to do an interview with Colonel Lauben.
>    Colonel Lauben turned him down, explaining in a letter "I'm not
>    being difficult. I am 91 years old, legally blind, and my memory
>    has lapsed to a point where it is quite unreliable. Furthermore I
>    am under regular medical care. Often during my talk with Mr.
>    Bacque I reminded him that my memory had deteriorated badly during
>    the 40 odd years since 1945.
> 
>    "Mr. Bacque read to me figures...It seemed to me that, after
>    accounting for transfers and discharges, there was nothing left to
>    make up the grand total except deaths and escapes, i.e. the term
>    'Other Losses.' I was mistaken."
> 
>    Thus, Mr. Bacque's only witness for the charge that "other losses"
>    was a cover-up term for deaths has twice repudiated what Mr. Bacque
>    maintains that he said.
> 
>    What then were the "other losses?" In many cases they were
>    transfers from one zone to another, something that was regularly
>    done for a variety of reasons, none of them sinister, and all duly
>    recorded in footnotes on the weekly reports.
> 
>    But the greatest number of "other losses" is revealed in the August
>    1945 Report of the Military Governor. (These monthly reports are in
>    the Eisenhower Library in Abilene, Kan., in the National Archives
>    in Washington and elsewhere; they are a basic source on every
>    aspect of the occupation, including food shortages and prisoners.
>    Mr. Bacque did not cite them and there is no evidence he examined
>    them.) The August report lists the numbers of disarmed enemy forces
>    discharged by American forces and those transferred to the British
>    and French for forced labor.
> 
>    The report continues: "An additional group of 663,576 are listed as
>    'other losses,' consisting largely of members of the Volksturm
>    [Peoples' Militia], released without formal discharge."
> 
>    It takes little imagination to see what happened here. The People's
>    Militia consisted of older men (up to 80 years of age, mainly World
>    War I veterans) and boys of 16 or sometimes less. American guards
>    and camp authorities told the old men to go home and take care of
>    their grandchildren, the boys to go home and return to school.
>    Along with the transfers to other zones that Mr. Bacque ignores,
>    these people account for all the "missing million."
> 
>    In short, Mr. Bacque is wrong on every major charge and nearly all
>    his minor ones. Eisenhower was not a Hitler, he did not run death
>    camps, German prisoners did not die by the hundreds of thousands,
>    there was a severe food shortage in 1945, there was nothing
>    sinister or secret about the "disarmed enemy forces" designation or
>    about the column "other losses." Mr. Bacque's "missing million"
>    were old men and young boys in the militia.
> 
>    Nevertheless, Mr. Bacque makes a point that is irrefutable: some
>    American G.I.'s and their officers were capable of acting in almost
>    as brutal a manner as the Nazis. We did not have a monopoly on
>    virtue. He has challenged us to reopen the question, to do the
>    research required, to get at the full truth. For that contribution,
>    he deserves thanks. But as to how he presented his discovery, I
>    turn again to Albert Cowdrey: "Surely the author has reason to be
>    satisfied with his achievement. He has no reputation as a historian
>    to lose, and "Other Losses" can only enhance his standing as a
>    writer of fiction."
> 
>    There remains, finally, the larger issue. It took a conference of
>    experts to challenge Mr. Bacque's charges. Individual scholars have
>    hesitated to take him on because to do so required checking through
>    his research - in effect, rewriting his book. Instead, many of them
>    have said in their reviews in Britain, France, Germany and Canada
>    that they cannot believe what Mr. Bacque says about Eisenhower is
>    true, but they cannot disprove it. Mr. Bacque has all the
>    paraphernalia of scholarship; it looks impressive enough to
>    bamboozle even scholars.
> 
>    Under these circumstances, what is a lay reader to do? I suggest
>    that he or she trust common sense. As when confronting the
>    Holocaust-never-happened school, ask the obvious questions. If the
>    answers aren't clear, the charges have not been proved. In Mr.
>    Bacque's case, two such questions are: Where are the bodies? and Is
>    this book consistent with our picture of Eisenhower's character as
>    we know it from innumberable other sources? Ultimately, in cases
>    such as this one, it is often the obvious questions that bring us
>    closest to the truth.
> 
> (end quote)
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > William Daffer wrote:
> > >
> > > Werner Knoll  writes:

> > > > People I talk too have no problem understanding what I am saying.
> > > > Perhaps there is a age difference in-between you and me?
> > > >
> > >
> > >   Oh, I can understand you. That doesn't mean that you're rational.
> >
> > Rational: Logical basis of anything...
> >
> > For example saying "you stink is rational!"
> >
> 
>   See?  Those two sentences made *absolutely* no sense!

I know... You are waiting till you can read it on he back cover of your
corn flake box?



> > >
> > >   Oh, that's good. We have about 5 revisionists running around in this
> > >   newsgroup and they're all fixated on homoerotic perversions. You've
> > >   just increased that number by one.
> > >
> > > > Werner Knoll
> >
> > Are this the 5 who do not believe in the Jewish soap story?
> >
>   No. It's the *six* who are fixated on homoerotic perversions.
> 
> whd

Is this a racist statement?


> --
> Tom Moran, in 3bc8b09e.923640203@news.pacificnet.net,
> giving us ample reason why we should consider him a
> 'scientific' investigator into the Holocaust:
> 
>   Lets forget about all your joules and moles and equations with "*"
>   and no '=' signs ....

Can this equation applied in politics too?

Werner Knoll


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SW wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message
> news:3C1BC775.377CFFA7@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > SW wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > Rations from 23. June to 20. July 1947:
> > > >
> > > > Adults:
> > > >
> > > > Bread 6000 gr
> > > > Fat 200 gr
> > > > Meat 400 gr
> > > > Victuals 800 gr
> > > > Cheese 125 gr
> > > > Sugar 500 gr
> > > > Coffee --  gr
> > > > Potato        10000 gr
> > > > Skim Milk 3 Liter
> > > > Fish 500 gr
> > > >
> > > > Can you spend some time to find out how many Calories this are?
> > > >
> > > > Kurt and I can tell you, we were almost killed  for stealing table
> > > > scraps from the American soup kitchen.
> > > >
> > > > Werner Knoll
> > > > Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
> > > > Brown, Ken McVay's foreskin.
> > >
> > > Figure it out yourself.  Obviously, it wasn't the starvation diet you
> and
> > > your Nazi pals dished out to your prisoners.  After all, you and your
> > > retarded brother are still here whining about it.
> > >
> > > sw
> >
> > I do not recall us wasting food and not giving anything to feed the
> > prisoners.
> 
> What prisoners, Knucklehead?

We had Russian prisoners next door who had no bomb shelter. Mother
said... This prisoners could be your brothers!

> 
> >
> > I do recall being chased away by American Soldiers for trying to bring
> > water to German prisoners!
> 
> Over half a century and you're still too stupid to figure out why.
> Incredible!  And how many German POW's died of thirst?  Not as many as the
> number of Americans who died of lead poisoning at Malmedy, I bet.

Are you trying to tell me none died of malnutrition and lag of water?


> 
> >
> > I do recall one evening a truckload of frozen chicken being unloaded at
> > the corner of Regensburger Straße and Scharrer Straße. Two American
> > Soldiers with machine pistols staying guard as their partners put
> > gasoline on it and set it on fire.
> >
> > Kurt and me waited till they were gone and pulled out some chicken we
> > still could use.
> 
> That explains it.  The chicken was contaminated.  Ethyl poisoning has addled
> your brains.
> 
> sw
> 
> >
> > Werner Knoll

Its Ethyl now. Is it?

Werner Knoll


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Orac wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1C16C6.B3111A35@telus.net>,
>  Werner Knoll  wrote:
> 



> > > You don't need the original to do most analyses. One can easily compare
> > > the voice on a copy of the bin Laden tape to old tapes of bin Laden to
> > > determine if it is really him. One can also still examine a copy to tell
> > > if the tape has been tampered with or edited.
> > >
> >
> > Without the Original at hand? :-))))
> 
> As I said, you don't necessarily need the original. It's better to have
> it, yes, but there are still plenty of ways an expert can detect
> tampering on a copy, as in comparing voiceprints for instance or finding
> telltale signatures of edits.
> 
> --
> Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>             |
>             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
>             | inconvenience me with questions?"

If there is no original, there is nothing to compare.

Werner Knoll


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 


> > >   See?  Those two sentences made *absolutely* no sense!
> >
> > I know... You are waiting till you can read it on he back cover of your
> > corn flake box?
> >
> >
> 
>   Three sentences.


Are they compound - complex or simple and who care's?


> > > > Are this the 5 who do not believe in the Jewish soap story?
> > > >
> > >   No. It's the *six* who are fixated on homoerotic perversions.
> > >
> > > whd
> >
> > Is this a racist statement?
> >
> 
>   No.

Is this a sentence?


> 
> whd
> --
> Gord McFee:
>   God the Father ordained the crucifixion of the Messiah.
> 
> Joe Bellinger:
>  And punished the *entire Jewish nation* for the sin of their
>  leaders in engineering the death of the Messiah by a decision of
>  their own free will, all predicted by Christ Himself.
> 
> [emphasis by whd]

Is this a Jewish, Christian or Moslem got we are fucking around with and
what has the half-breed Jesus to do with it?

Werner Knoll


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Orac wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3C1C16C6.B3111A35@telus.net>,
> > >  Werner Knoll  wrote:
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > You don't need the original to do most analyses. One can easily compare
> > > > > the voice on a copy of the bin Laden tape to old tapes of bin Laden to
> > > > > determine if it is really him. One can also still examine a copy to tell
> > > > > if the tape has been tampered with or edited.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Without the Original at hand? :-))))
> > >
> > > As I said, you don't necessarily need the original. It's better to have
> > > it, yes, but there are still plenty of ways an expert can detect
> > > tampering on a copy, as in comparing voiceprints for instance or finding
> > > telltale signatures of edits.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Orac        |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
> > >             |
> > >             |"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
> > >             | inconvenience me with questions?"
> >
> > If there is no original, there is nothing to compare.
> >
> 
>   God, you're stupid! What part of 'comparing voiceprints' did you not
>   understand? (answer: all of it)

It stand to reason in order to evaluate something you must have
something to compare with. 

Vancouver Province Friday, December 14, 2001

Bin Laden crows on tape: West sees smoking gun, while many in Mideast
cry 'fake'

But the sound quality was so poor that even native Arabic speakers had
too rely on U. S. - provided translation.

End

With other word it is the American version what counts.

Werner Knoll

> 
> whd
> --
> The DEM unit commenting on the harassment campaign against Sara
> Salzman which has been going on for *months*.
> 
> Looks to me like a harmless bit of fun at the expense of a rather
> unpleasant person.
> 
> Thus speaks a moral cretin.
>


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3c1bfb32_1@binaries.vphos.net...
> 



    more people to feed in Germany than he had expected.
> > >
> > >    No food shortage? This is the report of the Military Governor for
> > >    Germany in July 1945: "The food situation throughout Western
> > >    Germany is perhaps the most serious problem of the occupation. The
> > >    average food consumption in the Western Zones is now about
> > >    one-third below the generally accepted subsistence level." The
> > >    September report declares, "Food from indigenous sources was not
> > >    available to meet the present authorized ration level for the
> > >    normal consumer, of 1,550 calories per day."

Sending children an women who like to help away and burning unused food
supplies so we could not get at it was the American way in 1945. I was
one who was end away 12 years old at that time!





> > >    Under these circumstances, what is a lay reader to do? I suggest
> > >    that he or she trust common sense. As when confronting the
> > >    Holocaust-never-happened school, ask the obvious questions. If the
> > >    answers aren't clear, the charges have not been proved. In Mr.
> > >    Bacque's case, two such questions are: Where are the bodies? and Is
> > >    this book consistent with our picture of Eisenhower's character as
> > >    we know it from innumberable other sources? Ultimately, in cases
> > >    such as this one, it is often the obvious questions that bring us
> > >    closest to the truth.

Your Eisenhower was a Dreckschwein! If I were able to travel, I would be
pissing on his grave. What a rotten bastard he was!
> 
> > Like always Mathews if the writers are not on your site the they are not
> > qualified.
> 
> Writers, Knoll?  It's never writers, it 's always one writer who gets caught
> lying, distorting, or misinterpreting the evidence. Bacque has been
> thoroughly discredited.

And this writer has more dignity than 6 million JEWS! He must have done
something right for being hounded by GANGSTER ORGANIZATIONS!

> 
> >Well I bought the book and read
> > it and compared it what I know.
> 
> But you don't know anything.
> 
> I note you have no comment for the complete refutation of Bacque by
> historians!
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Historians accredited by Jewish Gangster Organizations


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1C312B.2C46CAEE@telus.net...
> 
> > Philip Mathews wrote:

> > > > >    average food consumption in the Western Zones is now about
> > > > >    one-third below the generally accepted subsistence level." The
> > > > >    September report declares, "Food from indigenous sources was not
> > > > >    available to meet the present authorized ration level for the
> > > > >    normal consumer, of 1,550 calories per day."
> >
> > Sending children an women who like to help away and burning unused food
> > supplies so we could not get at it was the American way in 1945. I was
> > one who was end away 12 years old at that time!
> 
> Your allegations, given you total lack of credibility, are worthless.

Sure... At 12 we were suppose to be Nazis and had to be denazified and
now you are telling me we have no memory of what we were doing at this
age? You are totally fucked up!

Perhaps being bombed at and shot at is all a dream?


> > Your Eisenhower was a Dreckschwein! If I were able to travel, I would be
> > pissing on his grave. What a rotten bastard he was!
> 
> Eisenhower in his grave is a better man than you.

He is pushing daisies now and he still was a Bastard!


> > > lying, distorting, or misinterpreting the evidence. Bacque has been
> > > thoroughly discredited.
> 
> > And this writer has more dignity than 6 million JEWS! He must have done
> > something right for being hounded by GANGSTER ORGANIZATIONS!
> 
> A man who is incompetent, and puts words into the mouths of key witnesses
> has no dignity. He's hounded by all who respect truth over lies.

Talk to your dog handler to give you more rope.


> > > I note you have no comment for the complete refutation of Bacque by
> > > historians!
> 
> > Historians accredited by Jewish Gangster Organizations
> 
> Nothing left but mindless allegations I see.

Really? :-)))))
> 
> According to you the whole world is controlled by "Jewish Gangster
> Organizations"!
> 
> You really are pathetic.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

They sure know how to throw their weight around!


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1C35AF.9ED61EAE@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:



> > Sure... At 12 we were suppose to be Nazis and had to be denazified and
> > now you are telling me we have no memory of what we were doing at this
> > age? You are totally fucked up!
> 
> I'm telling you you're a liar and your word is good for nothing.

Really?

> 
> > Perhaps being bombed at and shot at is all a dream?
> 
> Ah, so you wish me to accord you're eyewitness testimony a degree of
> credibilty you deny to Holocaust survivors, and even to SS who admitted
> their crimes.

Have you been drinking?

> 
> > > > Your Eisenhower was a Dreckschwein! If I were able to travel, I would
> be
> > > > pissing on his grave. What a rotten bastard he was!
> > >
> > > Eisenhower in his grave is a better man than you.
> >
> > He is pushing daisies now and he still was a Bastard!
> 
> You will be in a similar position before too much longer, and with you will
> pass a hatred no longer endemic to Germany.

Others will take my place!




> > > You really are pathetic.
> 
> > They sure know how to throw their weight around!
> 
> No, the majority populations among whom they live also recognize you and
> yours for the filth you are.

I am not a Jew!
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Go and sniff anthrax.

Werner Knoll


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1C312B.2C46CAEE@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > Sending children an women who like to help away and burning unused food
> > supplies so we could not get at it was the American way in 1945.
> 
> Prove it, Naziboy. Your alleged eyewitness account is worthless. You are a known
> liar.
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > > Bacque has been thoroughly discredited.
> >
> > And this writer has more dignity than 6 million JEWS!
> 
> Bacque is a liar and an incompetent -- just like you, Naziboy.
> 
> JGB
> 

Subject: Re: Bin Laden tape a forgery?
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"Werner Knoll"  wrote in message

Was it you early this morning? Did you take a shit before you came on
again? How many name have you got?

Go and sniff anthrax and go in peace.

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G
Brown. Ken McVay's fart and foreskin


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William Daffer wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > William Daffer wrote:



> > >
> > >   God, you're stupid! What part of 'comparing voiceprints' did you not
> > >   understand? (answer: all of it)
> >
> > It stand to reason in order to evaluate something you must have
> > something to compare with.
> >
> 
>   Yes, and there are *other tapes* of bin Laden.
> 
>   God, you're stupid.
> 
>   [snip]
> 
> whd

There was no God for me and for the Jews and if there is one he would be
evil!

I regard to stupidity? Since when is it stupid, me making birdcall's?

Werner Knoll


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"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 43 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 43 about food supply to the German prisoners. 

Koblenz. 9. May 1945
"The military government has requested me to make it known, that under
no circumstances may food supply be assembled amongst the local
inhabitants, in order to deliver to the prisoners of war. Those who
violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to
allow to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being
shot."…

The Burgmeister…. Langenlonsheim.

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 94 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 94 to95 about food shortages.

One former prisoner described it recently: 
"At first, the women from the nearby town brought food into the camp. 
The American soldiers took everything away from the women, threw it in a
heap and poured gasoline [benzine] over it and burned it.   Eisenhower
himself ordered that the food be destroyed, according to Karl Vogel, who
was the German camp commander appointed by the Americans in camp 8 at
Garmisch-Partenkirchen.  Although the prisoners were getting only 800
calories per day, the Americans were destroying food outside the camp
gate.

To conserve food could scarily have been the reason for the order
threatening death for civilians wishing to feed prisoners, because the
Allies' predominant policy in Germany for many months was actually to
reduce supplies of food destined for German civilians, as well as
prisoners.  The rations were to be held at the lowest possible level to
'prevent starvation', or to 'prevent disease and unrest'.

End

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown Ken McVay's foreskin

"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c1cd516_2@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > In the case of the German Prisoners food was available but was denied by
> > orders of Eisenhower.
> 
> Repeating your hysterical accusations isn't proof, imbecile.
> 
> But, you are never going to be able to understand that simple fact, are you?
> 
> Stay stupid, bigot...
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
> to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message
> news:m2u1uqhjjn.fsf@msp-65-25-234-54.mn.rr.com...
> 

 
> > It's amazing how spoiled the Nazis were, that they could complain
> > about something like that.
> >
> > But, in case anybody wonders if that's changed, we've still got the
> > Knoll brothers to demonstrate that plus ca change, plus ca meme chose,
> > eh?
> 
> And what is most telling is the type of evidence they must resort to to
> support their claims of improper treatment of German soldiers - eyewitness
> testimony!!
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

My Brother and relatives were in this camps. They are all death now. Dos
this now mean no eye witness, no story?

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. The expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown and Philip Mathew's


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Hartmann Schaffer wrote:
> 
> In article <3c1cd514_2@binaries.vphos.net>,
>         "Kurt Knoll"  writes:
> > You are a poor liar Mathews it was just after spring time in April 1945
> > when the German Prisoners of
> > war were starved to death. So hoax about rationing for winter is not
> > relevant.
> 
> has it occurred to your sorry excuse for a mind that the food supply
> problems for the winter could be anticipated already then?

Is this why the Americans put gasoline over unused food supplies and
burned it.

First time I noticed this when the Americans entered Geißelwind in 1945.
Your friends the Americans took shelter over night in the room we
rented, Next morning as we re - entered. Mom discovered that one of this
outstanding soldiers had shit into our food supply box because he was
too lazy to go to the toilet.

Burning unused food not happened in Geißelwind but other places as well!
> 
> > Listening to you is like listening to the Americans right after the war.
> 
> and reading your garbage is like listening to goebbels
> 
> hs
> 
> --
> 
> how are we defending our freedom and democracy by dismantling them?

Werner Knoll


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3c1d4b1e_2@binaries.vphos.net...
> 
> > Your food shortage is something you made up there is plenty of proof
> > there was enough food around but kept
> > back.
> 
> On the contrary, there is no such evidence.
> 
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//b/bacque.james/ambrose.0
> 01
> 
>    No food shortage? This is the report of the Military Governor for
>    Germany in July 1945: "The food situation throughout Western
>    Germany is perhaps the most serious problem of the occupation. The
>    average food consumption in the Western Zones is now about
>    one-third below the generally accepted subsistence level." The
>    September report declares, "Food from indigenous sources was not
>    available to meet the present authorized ration level for the
>    normal consumer, of 1,550 calories per day."
> 
> (end quote)
> 
> >And there is also the questions why German Farmers around the camp
> > were not allowed
> > to feed the Prisoners even thru the fence.
> 
> To which you've received a proper answer on at least two occasions. There
> was a food shortage. There were millions of people to feed other than German
> citizens or German soldiers. It was the decision of the United States to
> feed all equally, and such a goal required the control of all food supplies
> and distribution to ensure fairness.
> 
> > I was living in a German Village from 1943 till the end of the war and
> > we always collected food
> > for the people in the cities. So why was in not allowed to feed the
> > starving soldiers ?.
> 
> Because there were also starving non soldiers, and starving non Germans,
> many barely surviving in camps as a direct result of Nazi war policies. It
> was not up to German citizens to decide how limited food should be
> distributed.

Thats why Americans set a match too it and burned it down?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Looks like some of the information you are posting is from E. Ambrose?

It looks to me strange that at the last page of Ambrose article he
mixing in the Holocaust: "As when confronting the Holocaust never
happened school" and Mr. Bacque.

With other words the fix is out discredit Bacque at all cost because it
would diminish the Holocaust industry extortion business?

Lets hope Saddam can take care of Israel and soon!

Werner Knoll


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>From kenmcvay@NAMBLA.net Thu Aug 10 11:35:37 2000
Date: 10 Aug 2000 17:35:37 -0000
From: kenmcvay@NAMBLA.net
Subject: Visit/Call Them!!!   NIZKOOK/NAMBLA COMBINED List
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Kenneth McVay, SOBC the well-known fag in Canada,
Fag McVay of Vancouver, also a convicted car thief and
all round molester, convicted of child molesting and car theft 
in California and Oregon, and still unemployed  gas pump boy,
mastermind of the Canadian branch of NAMBLA,
wants all to know about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
Here is the latest.......

Here are some known NAMBLA members, their addresses, and phone 
numbers from an official NAMBLA membership list.  
Please note that this does not mean that these individuals have 
sexually 
assaulted children...only that they were 
registered as a member of NAMBLA.

Any additions or corrections  email nizkor@israelmail.com 
Last update 12-12-00


Do not contact personally. They are entitled to their privacy.

NAMBLA/NIZKOR leadership

President:  Jeffrey G. Brown (Cincinnati,OH)
Note: Jeffrey G. Brown may not be his real name
Vice-President: Patrick L. Humphrey (Houston,TX)
Press Secretary: Joel Rosenberg (Minneapolis,MN)
Secretary & Lesbian Relations: Sara Salzman (Denver,CO)
Canadian Operations: Ken McVay (Vancouver Island,BC)
German Operations:  Albrecht Kolthoff
Australian Operations:  Tremaine Devereaux
Minority Relations:  Fragano Ledgister
Legal Counsel:  Yale F. Edeiken
Youth Leader: David Beam
Board Members:  John Morris, Steve Wolk, Jay Winkler, Gord McFee, 
David Beam, Scot Murphy (fetish for sex with dead people), 
Charles Tucker, David Gehrig

Note: John Morris wrote he has nothing to do with NAMBLA?
Associate Members:

Eugene Holman
Harjukatu 6 B 48
00500 Helsinki
Finland
Tel +358 9 1912 3154
Tel +358 9 1912 3072

Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1D3483.2646BF89@earthlink.net>, Richard Phillips
>  wrote:
> 
> > ==========================================
> > Phillips
> >
> > Your point is not entirely without merit but fails in that it does not take
> > proper
> > account of the differing circumstances in the two situations.
> >
> > (1) IF the Nazis HAD determined on the physical extermination of the Jews,
> > they would
> > have been at no great pains to conceal it.
> 
> =====================================================
> At first they didn't. The massacres committed by the Einsatzkommandos
> in conjunction with the SP, SD, and local fascist groupings such as the
> Arâjs Commando at Babi Yar, Rumbula, Kovno (Kaunas), and Liepaja were
> done in full public view, even to the point  of being photographed
> (e.g. http://www.netbistro.com/electriczen/documents/libau.html)  and
> filmed by th Nazis for purposes of propagdana and debriefing, between
> June 22 and December 31, 1941.
> 
> Reasons for developng a more subtle approach included the following:
> 1. The Nazis found that Eastern Europeans, even if some of them
> harbored a virulent anti-Semitic world view, were not into it to such a
> degree that they were willing to involve themselves in dedicated
> exterminational activity against their neighbors and compatriots. In
> Lithuania and, to a far lesser extent in Latvia, for example, the Nazis
> were initially able to provoke pogroms directed against Jews in general
> as "payback" for the past year those unfortunate countries had spent
> under communist rule. It soon became clear, however, that exacting
> revenge against the subset of local Jews who had collaborated with,
> worked for, or publicly supported the Soviet government was not the
> same thing as killing all local Jews, which was what the Nazis were
> doing, encouraging the locals to follow their example. All three Baltic
> countries had people such as the Lithuanian Jonas Paulavicius, the
> Latvian Jan Lipke, and the Estonian Uko Masing who risked their lives
> to save Jews from Nazi exterminational policies, see, e.g.
> http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/righteous/righteous_table.html );
> 2. Many Eastern Europeans, particularly Poles, Russians, Belarussians,
> Ukrainians, and Latvians, eventually realized that they were not much
> higher on the Nazis' racial hierarchy than Jews or Gypsies. Realizing
> that the Nazis were interested in gaining "Lebensraum" by eastward
> expanion, they understood that they were likely candidates for the next
> round of Nazi ethnic cleansing.
> 3. Public mass shootings and hangings of Jews during the latter half of
> 1941, particularly of women, children, and babies, made it difficult
> for the Nazis to gain respectable supporters among the populations in
> the occupied countries (see
> http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/stories/s124137.htm,
> http://www.netbistro.com/electriczen/documents/libau2.html ).
> 
> > To begin with, up until well
> > in1943 they
> > were pretty certain they were going to win. Secondly, they had been talking
> > about Jews
> > as subhuman vermin and suchlike terms of endearment.
> 
> But long before that they realized that public mass murders of Jewish
> civilians did not generate the enthusiasm they had thought it would,
> and that such a policy was only sustainable behind the close doors and
> walls of specially built facilities. Indeed, the planning for these
> facilities must have dated from the first weeks of the beginning of
> ther campaigna against the USSR, since the first dedicated
> extermination facility, Chelmno, opened for business on December 6,
> 1941.
> 
> > Eisenhower, on the other hand, most certainly did NOT want it to be public
> > knowledge
> > that he had allowed himself to be a tool of Jewish vengeance.
> 
> Gee, unh, Jewish vengeance for what?
> 
> > He had already
> > then
> > political ambitions and knew this would not do him any good. You have to
> > remember that,
> > at that time, the ordinary American felt that Jewish power in the Roosevelt
> > government
> > was much much greater than it had any business to be. That there were
> > undertones of
> > this in the 1944 presidential campaign could hardly be denied. American
> > civilians had
> > strong notions about the proper treatment of war prisoners and would not have
> > looked at
> > all kindly on German prisoners getting anything less.
> 
> By 1944 the American public had some idea of what had been going on at
> the Nazi concentration camps, and by early 1945 the newsreels and
> photographs of stacks of emaciated corpses and of walking skeletons
> were widely known. Months before the war was over the public understood
> that the Nazis had been waging systematic genocide, and there were
> calls for revenge.
> 
> > (2) Eisenhower's orders regarding the feeding or non-feeding of German
> > prisoners dd not
> > require any enormous diversion of resources for a war effort. The
> > extermination of Jews
> > most certainly would have.
> >
> > ==========================================
> 
> Your second statement reveals a total lack of understanding of the
> economics of the Holocaust.
> 
> The extermination of the Jews consisted, roughly, or two phases:
> I - June 22, 1941 to January, 1942
> Extermination was done publicly and on a massive scale on the Eastern
> front, with no regard to the human resources that the Jews represented.
> Jews were killed publicly, and their property and assets were
> confiscated by the state. Valuables concealed on their person,
> including gold teeth and wedding rings, were not considered worth
> spending time looking for or seizing.
> 
> II - January, 1942 to May, 1945
> Dedicated extermination is done behind closed doors at specially built
> facilities, mostly in Nazi-occupied Poland. Extermination by work is
> done behind closed doors at more than 10,000 facilities all over
> Nazi-controlled Europe. This program required an enormous and well
> documented diversion of funds and resources from the war effort because
> the camps had to be built and maintained, rational train schedules had
> to be drawn uop to ensure a steady and manageable stream of victims,
> and appropriate rollling stick had to be provided, guarded, cleaned,
> and sent on to the next place to be evacuated, and a large bureaucracy,
> Division IV at the RSHA, had to coordinate the program which extended
> from Greece to Norway and from the Netherlands to Finland, Denmark,
> Hungary, and Romania. Looked at from the short term and in isolation,
> the program seems to have been a wasteful and dysfunctional use of
> resources, but looked at more carefully, it paid its way and generated
> a profit:
> 1. The dirty work was done behind closed doors, thus improving public
> relations.
> 2. Those Jews who had nothing to contribute were exterminated shortly
> after arrival, those who could make an economic contribution to the
> German war effort were spared for as long as their output exceeded
> their upkeep.
> 3. The goal of capturing and killing Jews was never abandoned; indeed,
> Jews were made to literally work themselves to death manufacturing
> armaments and other materiel which would enable Nazi Germany to
> capture, kill, and eenslave more Jews.
> 4. Jews were also put to work in the gas chambers as Sonderkommandos
> and other service personnel, translating orders, helping victims to
> undress, convincing them in their own language that they were going to
> undergo a harmless delousing, and then clearing out the dead bodies and
> examining them carefully for gold teeth and hidden valuables.
> 
> A rough comparison of the relative profitablity of the two modalities
> can be seen by considering the following.
> 
> When 24,000 Riga Jews were killed in the Rumbula massacre of November
> 30, December 8, 1941, the local factories to whom the Jews in the
> ghetto had been farmed out lost a valuable source of virtually free
> labor just before the onset of winter when they would have been really
> needed to produce winter clothing and boots which the Germans had not
> thought they would be needing for the Russian campaign. The Latvian
> capital also lost most of its physicians, dentists, academics, artists,
> and leading businessmen in addition to normal industrial workers. Their
> homes were auctioned off, and their clothing and the valuables
> collected by the Germans at the killing site were washed, classified,
> and sent back to Germany.
> 
> The profitability of the revised killing plan made it possible for
> Treblinka commander Franz Stengel to exterminate some 700,000 people at
> his camp according to a schedule carefully drawn up and implemented by
> Eichmann's Department IV of the RSHA in conjunction with the Deutsche
> Reichsbahn, in addition to making deposits in SS bank accounts of
> $2,800,000, £400,000, SUR 12,000,000, 145 kilograms of gold, and 4,000
> carats of diamonds (See:
> http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERstangl.htm) stolen by the Nazis
> from the Treblinka victims. Additionally, their clothing, homes, and
> other valuables were confiscated by the Nazi state and either sold at
> their points of origin or sent to Germany and distributed to the
> victims of Allied bombings.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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Patrick Keenan wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3c1d94c4_2@binaries.vphos.net...
> > I forgot what I send you since you cut it out. Can you please repost it
> > again my life depends on it.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> 
> Look in your Sent Items folder.
> 
> -pk
> 

What is the use looking into the send folder when Jeffrey "Scum bag? is
not interested in facts but on a seek and destroy mission for Jewish
Gangster Organization's?

Too bad the Nazis missed his parents before he was born!

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G. Brown is Ken McVay's stooge and fart. A holocaust denier and
a Liar, Liar, Liar


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"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:48:35 -0800, "Kurt Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> >Well if they were no signatory to the Geneva Convention how could they
> >then join the War.
> >
> >Kurt Knoll.
> >===========
> 
> Another stupid question among many stuipid questions.  Germany
> declared war on the United States.  If ignorance truly is bliss, you
> must be really laid back.

Perhaps not being a signatory of the Geneva Convention should have told
them to stay out of the war?

*****************************************************************

The Great Depression and New Deal
By Anne e. Schraff ISBN 0-531-10964-X

The Bubble Burst.
By the end of 1929, the entire economy had followed the stock marked
into ruin. Consumer buying declined sharply. People had their hours cut,
and their wages. They dared not to buy new clothing. It was wiser to
patch what they already had.

When others suggested that the federal government had to take drastic
action against the monster depression, Hoover threw up his hands in
horror. What? Bring on socialism...? Hoover saw this as a road to
tyranny. No he thought, Americans could handle this themselves with just
a bit of help from local and private charities. Hoover suggested
volunteers to launch "give a job" campaigns. He urged cities to start
public work projects to employ the jobless. "If you let the federal
government help the individuals," Hoover warned, "soon the federal
government will control that individual."

Andrew Mellon, Hoover's secretary of the treasury went so far as to say
it wasn't a bad thing if everything went right to the bottom. "People
will work harder," he said, "live a moral life. Values will be adjusted
and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent
people.
The Depression Deepens.
Six million unemployed greeted the New Year in January 1931. The popular
song making the rounds "Life is Just a Bowl of Cherries" sounded hollow
to those who didn't know where their next meal is coming from.

As 1932 arrived, the new popular song was "Brother, can you Spare a
Dime?" It fit the mood of the nation perfectly. Between 1930 and 1932
85,000 businesses had failed. Nine million savings accounts had been
wiped out.

The Americans in the city were barely hanging on, and the farmers were
going down for the count. President Hoover still found solace in his
unshakable belief that somehow the unaided American individual would
triumph.

The Rise and Fall of the Bonus Army.
After World War I a grateful nation granted its war veterans a bonus
that supposed to come due in 1945... In May 1929, Congressman C. Wright
Patman introduced a bill in congress to allow the veterans to borrow
money against the bonus. The bonus Expeditionary Force was marching to
Washington to urge passage of the bill.

At the beginning of the march there were 300 veterans with thirty
dollars among them... By the time the bonus Army reached the Nation's
capital it was 20,000 strong...

Secretary of War Patrick J. Hurley gave order: U.S. troops proceeded
immediately to the scene of disorder... Mac Arthur had to move against
veterans whose only crime was that they were poor and desperate. It was
unenviable duty for a great soldier, but he did it... General MacArthur
was given five hundred to a thousand soldiers and five tanks to do the
job.

The March to Victory.
Victory has been won, but at Roosevelt's celebration dinner jubilation
gave way to realization of the monumental task ahead...

The exhausted and rejected Hoover now had to run the ship of the state
during weeks of great crisis. Many called this period in American
history the most dangerous time since the Civil War.

A first-class New York stenographer who earned $35 to $45 a week in 1929
was now lucky to draw $16 a week, while domestic workers barely made $10
a month plus room and board.

In new York City, Mayor Fiorello La Guardia was serving as city
magistrate when a man brought before him for the grime of stealing a
loaf if brad for his starving family. La Guardia said, "I must fine you
ten dollars," but then the mayor paid the fine himself and said, "I
hereby fine every person in this courtroom, except for the prisoner
fifty cents for living in a town where a man has to steal in order to
eat." The mayor gave the $47.50 fine to the prisoner.

A Last Act and Assessment.
The new Deal lasted from March 1933 to the end of 1938. Even today there
is a wide assortment of opinions as to how well President Roosevelt
dealt with the Great Depression. Critics are quick to point out that in
1939 there were still 8,700,00 Americans out of work. They also argue
that the new Deal created an expensive and complicated bureaucracy that
would haunt the nation for generations to come. The New Deal doubled the
national debt in less than ten years.

Defender of the New Deal point to what a catastrophic economy did to
Russia, Germany and Italy. It led to brutal tyrannies and loss of human
rights. The New Deal had helped the American people through terrible
times while leaving intact precious birthright of freedom. The New Deal
may not have ended the depression, its defender admit, but it saved
American democracy.

End

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G. Brown is Ken McVay's fart and stooge. A holocaust denier and
a Liar, Liar, Liar


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Patrick Keenan wrote:

> >
> > What is the use looking into the send folder when Jeffrey "Scum bag? is
> > not interested in facts but on a seek and destroy mission for Jewish
> > Gangster Organization's?
> >
> > Too bad the Nazis missed his parents before he was born!
> >
> 
> Gee, and I was just thinking that it's just as well that none of the
> GIs in Germany were interested in your's and your brother's offer to
> fuck her for a dollar -- there might have been more knolls...
> 
> --

My mother was too old for them. Some of your soldiers were looking for
kinky sex in their spare time.

Some plumbers had do hide their pipes because the Americans fucked
everything what a hole in it.

Perhaps this could be the reason why the new German generation has holes
in their head? A hole the Jewish propaganda machine can use to funnel
hate propaganda into it!


Werner Knoll


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Patrick Keenan wrote:
> 
> Sorry for top-posting...
> 
> Werner, unless you have very strong documentation for your claims, you might
> want to read the rest of Telus' Acceptable Use Policy, which is what I
> clipped this from:.
> http://www.telus.net/aup.html
> --------
> Civil Offences and Violations of the Rights of Others
> While using the Communication Services, you are prohibited from posting,
> uploading, reproducing, distributing or otherwise transmitting information
> or materials where such activity gives rise to civil liability or from
> otherwise violating the rights or assisting others to violate the rights of
> TELUS or any third party, including, but not limited to, the violations
> listed below:
> Copyright infringement
> Trademark infringement
> Defamation
> ----------
> 
> Will we see your apology posted?
> 
> -pk
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1E2798.221C9536@telus.net...
> > >From kenmcvay@NAMBLA.net Thu Aug 10 11:35:37 2000
> > Date: 10 Aug 2000 17:35:37 -0000
> > From: kenmcvay@NAMBLA.net
> > Subject: Visit/Call Them!!!   NIZKOOK/NAMBLA COMBINED List
> > Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
> >
> 

Why single me out and will you charge Ken McVay for making my posting
available in his web side? How about Zundel and Bacque?

I have a copy of this on a floppy disc!

 
This posting was posted in a news group on Monday 8 January 2001 for
everyone to read. I been told that once it was posted it is in the
public domain!

I informed Telus that it is people who support and told them It is a
group of people working for the Jewish cause who are hell bent to stifle
free speech And by giving in Telus will be a willing partner in crime!


*************************************************************

Subject: Re: 1st Warning Newsgroup SPAM - "telus.net account: xxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:17:16 -0800
From: Werner Knoll 
To: PLAnet BC Abuse 
References: 
            1




I check up in deja.com and the only thing I could come up with is a Ken
McVay who is working on behalf of a major Jewish Organization here in
Canada and a gentlemen in de.soc.politik.misc in Germany.

Here you can see a International organization working hard to get
everybody of the air who is asking Questions.

Vancouver Province Sunday, March 29, 1998
Cut Klatt's phone says B'nai Brith
Tired of waiting for the authority to pull the plug on an Internet
service used by racists and hate - mongers, B'nai Brith is taking things
into its own hands.

The human rights organization will meet tomorrow with BC Tel to try to
persuade it to cut the phone line to the Fairview Technologies Center in
Oliver.

"We are going to ask them to cut Fairview off, which of course the can
do," said David Matas of B'nai Brith…

I took the liberty to print out your policy pamphlets and a hard look at
your harassing policy.

Perhaps you should go too can.general and look for a Ken MacVay to find
out who is harassing whom?

Werner Knoll


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> 
> Werner Knoll
> 
> This is an automated response.
> 
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> 
> Complaints:
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> X-Trace: news.bc.tac.net 957029324 216.232.113.19 (Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:28:44
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> Subject: Re: Dachau Befreiung 29.4.45

Stephan Roth?


> --
> X-Trace: news.bc.tac.net 955738381 216.232.113.19 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:53:01
> PDT)
> Subject: Re: CBC: Information or Propaganda on Holocaust
> --

Ken McVay?

End

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into an extortion
business!


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1E2798.221C9536@telus.net>, Werner Knoll
>  wrote:
> 
> > Kenneth McVay, SOBC the well-known fag in Canada,
> > Fag McVay of Vancouver, also a convicted car thief and
> > all round molester, convicted of child molesting and car theft
> > in California and Oregon, and still unemployed  gas pump boy,
> > mastermind of the Canadian branch of NAMBLA,
> > wants all to know about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
> > Here is the latest.......
> >
> > Here are some known NAMBLA members, their addresses, and phone
> > numbers from an official NAMBLA membership list.
> > Please note that this does not mean that these individuals have
> > sexually
> > assaulted children...only that they were
> > registered as a member of NAMBLA.
> 
> I am not a registered memberor associate of NAMBLA or any other
> organization. You reveal your swinishness by posting nonsense like this
> instead of sticking to the issue at hand. Sie sollen sich schämen.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman

Es sagt daß es ein Liste  von zwei Organisation ist!

Subject: ... NIZKOOK/NAMBILA COMBINED List

I had dealings with Althoff, McVay and John Morris before. Are you
telling me that you and the others have nothing to do with Nizkor?

In regard to swinishness? Perhaps I learned this from Jewish
Organization?

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deed of the Nazis into an extortion
business!


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Patrick Keenan wrote:



> > > 
> >
> > Why single me out
> 
> Because you're a little nazi shit like your brother?
> 
>   and will you charge Ken McVay for making my posting
> > available in his web side? How about Zundel and Bacque?
> >
> > I have a copy of this on a floppy disc!
> >
> 
> My word, he's learned a new trick!
> 
> --

Why only a little Nazi?

Are you forgetting something?

The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein ISBN 1-85984-323-9

Page 64
The central thesis of Goldhagen's book is standard Holocaust dogma:
driven by pathological hatred, the German people leapt at the
opportunity Hitler availed them to murder Jews.

End

With  other words? I cannot help it! It is in the blood?

Werner Knoll


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Read it from my other reply!

Werner Knoll

Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Eugene Holman wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3C1E2798.221C9536@telus.net>, Werner Knoll
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Kenneth McVay, SOBC the well-known fag in Canada,
> > > > Fag McVay of Vancouver, also a convicted car thief and
> > > > all round molester, convicted of child molesting and car theft
> > > > in California and Oregon, and still unemployed  gas pump boy,
> > > > mastermind of the Canadian branch of NAMBLA,
> > > > wants all to know about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
> > > > Here is the latest.......
> > > >
> > > > Here are some known NAMBLA members, their addresses, and phone
> > > > numbers from an official NAMBLA membership list.
> > > > Please note that this does not mean that these individuals have
> > > > sexually
> > > > assaulted children...only that they were
> > > > registered as a member of NAMBLA.
> > >
> > > I am not a registered memberor associate of NAMBLA or any other
> > > organization. You reveal your swinishness by posting nonsense like this
> > > instead of sticking to the issue at hand. Sie sollen sich schämen.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Eugene Holman
> >
> > Es sagt daß es ein Liste  von zwei Organisation ist!
> >
> > Subject: ... NIZKOOK/NAMBILA COMBINED List
> >
> > I had dealings with Althoff, McVay and John Morris before. Are you
> > telling me that you and the others have nothing to do with Nizkor?
> >
> > In regard to swinishness? Perhaps I learned this from Jewish
> > Organization?
> >
> Nah.  You suckled it at your mothers teats.
> 
> --
> -------------------------------------
> There's a widow in sleepy Chester
>   Who weeps for her only son;
> There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
>   A grave that the Burmans shun,
> And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
>   Who tells how the work was done.
> -------------------------------------


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Morpheus wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1E2798.221C9536@telus.net...
> > Do not contact personally. They are entitled to their privacy.
> >
> If they are entitled to privacy, then why are you posting their names?

Privacy in regard to phone calls!



Werner Knoll


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"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:40:08 GMT, Werner Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >"E. Barry Bruyea" wrote:

> >>
> >> Another stupid question among many stuipid questions.  Germany
> >> declared war on the United States.  If ignorance truly is bliss, you
> >> must be really laid back.
> >
> >Perhaps not being a signatory of the Geneva Convention should have told
> >them to stay out of the war?
> 
> Given that Germany declared war on the U.S. that would have been a
> little difficult.  You really do ask stupid questions, don't you?  But
> then nobody every accused you of being to bright.

You chose to ignore the possibility that The Americans were willing and
able to enter the war at any time!

What happened with the "Lusitania" should be a reminder what the
American will and can do! 

Here it is again:

***********************************************************
The Great Depression and New Deal
By Anne e. Schraff ISBN 0-531-10964-X

The Bubble Burst.
By the end of 1929, the entire economy had followed the stock marked
into ruin. Consumer buying declined sharply. People had their hours cut,
and their wages. They dared not to buy new clothing. It was wiser to
patch what they already had.

When others suggested that the federal government had to take drastic
action against the monster depression, Hoover threw up his hands in
horror. What? Bring on socialism...? Hoover saw this as a road to
tyranny. No he thought, Americans could handle this themselves with just
a bit of help from local and private charities. Hoover suggested
volunteers to launch "give a job" campaigns. He urged cities to start
public work projects to employ the jobless. "If you let the federal
government help the individuals," Hoover warned, "soon the federal
government will control that individual."

Andrew Mellon, Hoover's secretary of the treasury went so far as to say
it wasn't a bad thing if everything went right to the bottom. "People
will work harder," he said, "live a moral life. Values will be adjusted
and enterprising people will pick up the wrecks from less competent
people.
The Depression Deepens.
Six million unemployed greeted the New Year in January 1931. The popular
song making the rounds "Life is Just a Bowl of Cherries" sounded hollow
to those who didn't know where their next meal is coming from.

As 1932 arrived, the new popular song was "Brother, can you Spare a
Dime?" It fit the mood of the nation perfectly. Between 1930 and 1932
85,000 businesses had failed. Nine million savings accounts had been
wiped out.

The Americans in the city were barely hanging on, and the farmers were
going down for the count. President Hoover still found solace in his
unshakable belief that somehow the unaided American individual would
triumph.

The Rise and Fall of the Bonus Army.
After World War I a grateful nation granted its war veterans a bonus
that supposed to come due in 1945... In May 1929, Congressman C. Wright
Patman introduced a bill in congress to allow the veterans to borrow
money against the bonus. The bonus Expeditionary Force was marching to
Washington to urge passage of the bill.

At the beginning of the march there were 300 veterans with thirty
dollars among them... By the time the bonus Army reached the Nation's
capital it was 20,000 strong...

Secretary of War Patrick J. Hurley gave order: U.S. troops proceeded
immediately to the scene of disorder... Mac Arthur had to move against
veterans whose only crime was that they were poor and desperate. It was
unenviable duty for a great soldier, but he did it... General MacArthur
was given five hundred to a thousand soldiers and five tanks to do the
job.

The March to Victory.
Victory has been won, but at Roosevelt's celebration dinner jubilation
gave way to realization of the monumental task ahead...

The exhausted and rejected Hoover now had to run the ship of the state
during weeks of great crisis. Many called this period in American
history the most dangerous time since the Civil War.

A first-class New York stenographer who earned $35 to $45 a week in 1929
was now lucky to draw $16 a week, while domestic workers barely made $10
a month plus room and board.

In new York City, Mayor Fiorello La Guardia was serving as city
magistrate when a man brought before him for the grime of stealing a
loaf if brad for his starving family. La Guardia said, "I must fine you
ten dollars," but then the mayor paid the fine himself and said, "I
hereby fine every person in this courtroom, except for the prisoner
fifty cents for living in a town where a man has to steal in order to
eat." The mayor gave the $47.50 fine to the prisoner.

A Last Act and Assessment.
The new Deal lasted from March 1933 to the end of 1938. Even today there
is a wide assortment of opinions as to how well President Roosevelt
dealt with the Great Depression. Critics are quick to point out that in
1939 there were still 8,700,00 Americans out of work. They also argue
that the new Deal created an expensive and complicated bureaucracy that
would haunt the nation for generations to come. The New Deal doubled the
national debt in less than ten years.

Defender of the New Deal point to what a catastrophic economy did to
Russia, Germany and Italy. It led to brutal tyrannies and loss of human
rights. The New Deal had helped the American people through terrible
times while leaving intact precious birthright of freedom. The New Deal
may not have ended the depression, its defender admit, but it saved
American democracy.

End

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G. Brown is Ken McVay's fart and stooge. A holocaust denier and
a Liar, Liar, Liar


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  writes:
> 
> > You are contradicting your self what was the treaty agreement between
> > Germany and Japan ?.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> > ============
> 
> Sort of like that between Germany and the USSR?  There is no honor
> among thieves, eh?
> 
> --

You must be talking about the allies? There was no honor in-between the
Americans and the Russians either!


Werner Knoll
"anti-Semitism can be spread by sneezing. "*

* That what the producer of Schindlers List said Thursday, May 25, 1999
on CNN.

When classmates sneezed in front of him, it sounded like JewisgzzzzzZZZ.


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Patrick Keenan wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1E3B93.11CE9AD4@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Patrick Keenan wrote:



> > Why single me out and will you charge Ken McVay for making my posting
> > available in his web side? How about Zundel and Bacque?
> >
> 
> You've made specific claims regarding specific individuals, some of which
> are actionable.   You have made, it looks to me, claims of criminal
> activity.  If you don't have full documentation regarding these claims, I
> suggest you retract them and apologise immediately.

I printed this list because it was not specific  who is a member of
Nizkor or Nambla!

> 
> > I have a copy of this on a floppy disc!
> 
> As they say.. "so what".

Did I give permission to McVay to make this information available? I did
NOT!


> > This posting was posted in a news group on Monday 8 January 2001 for
> > everyone to read. I been told that once it was posted it is in the
> > public domain!
> 
> Means nothing.  You've reposted actionable material; the responsibility for
> the posting is yours.

Is it my responsibility not to post about the Holocaust because the
Jewish soap story might not be true?


> 
> >
> > I informed Telus that it is people who support and told them It is a
> > group of people working for the Jewish cause who are hell bent to stifle
> > free speech And by giving in Telus will be a willing partner in crime!
> 
> Free speech does not include freedom to spread actionable lies about people,
> or falsely allege criminal activity, as you have just done.

Like equating James Bacque to the Holocaust never happen camp because
Ambrose does not like what he wrote?

> 
> Telus may well be a defendant if they do not distance themselves from your
> post, probably by terminating your account.
> 
> -pk
> 

And that is it what it is all about? 

Doug Collins was right when he wrote:

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A "Human Rights" Statement by Doug Collins 

Victoria, British Columbia, July 20, 1998 

I am not attending this so-called human rights tribunal - except to say
that I am not attending. I am not defending the columns Harry Abrams and
B'Nai Brith are complaining about because there is nothing to defend.
The columns contain facts and opinions that Jewish organizations don't
like. But they are not hate literature. If they were I would have been
charged under the federal hate laws. Instead, the Human Rights Code -
B.C.'s Heresy Act - has been thrown at me and the *North Shore News* for
the second time. It's harassment, pure and simple, especially when you
consider that one of the columns that figure in this complaint was heard
last year at the first tribunal. The complaint was dismissed, so the
Inquisition wants a re-match. But if I can steal a title from a book,
let me say that none dare call it conspiracy. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We are seeing the greatest
threat to freedom of the press since the courts shot down the Alberta
Press Act in 1938. But many in the media don't understand that, or that
this Heresy Act is an instrument for enforcing political correctness, so
that anyone telling a Newfie joke could find himself up before a
kangaroo court.

What is a kangaroo court? It's a tribunal where truth is no defense,
where opinion is on trial, where fines can be unlimited, where there is
no trial by jury, where the judge - called an adjudicator - is judge,
jury and prosecutor, where there is no right of appeal within the
framework of the Act, where normal rules of evidence don't exist, and
where impressions count for more than fact. 

If some powerful pressure group like the Canadian Jewish Congress or
B'Nai Brith doesn't like what you are saying, you can become the subject
of a vicious and costly complaint. That applies even if the case leads
to a dismissal. It's a signal to publishers and writers not to have too
much to say where the interests of such groups are concerned. 

Where heresy is concerned the NDP has no time for the real courts and
has admitted it. But the only hope lies with the regular legal system
because this abominable law is almost certainly unconstitutional. Roger
McConchie, the lawyer for the B.C. Press Council, had it right when he
said that the Human Rights Code is is an attempt to stifle speech that
is not criminal.

2/
It's a big story, very little of which has been explained in the
mainstream media. Saturated in political correctness as so many of them
are, they demonize dissidents and accept handouts from people who use
trigger words like "racist," "white supremacist," "anti-Semitic," and
"hatemonger." But there has been some opposition. The *Globe & Mail* has
called the law "a criminal abuse of human rights"; the *Calgary Herald*
said it was "a tool of repression"; *B.C. Report* magazine has compared
what is happening here with press restrictions in Nazi Germany; to its
credit, even the *Jewish Western Bulletin* has stated editorially that
this is a dangerous law, and the Writers Union of Canada asked Premier
Glen Clark to get rid of it. We can be sure that its letter went into
the trash basket.

The B.C. Press Council and the B.C. Civil Liberties Association have
performed nobly. Last year they intervened on behalf of the North Shore
News. They're not doing it this time because we are not defending
ourselves unless we get to the real courts. 

The Human Rights Code is a legal atrocity. Anyone who says anything that
"indicates" discrimination can fall within its orbit, especially if they
are right of centre. Left of centre is safe enough, of course. The B.C.
Government Employees Union, the Canadian Jewish Congress, B'Nai Brith
and similar groups would never have to face the kind of action they
favor for others. A double standard exists. 

Recently, they tried to prevent Doug Christie's Free Speech League from
holding a meeting in a public library. If THAT doesn't indicate
discrimination, what does? But he would be wasting his time if he
entered a human rights complaint, even though freedom of speech and
assembly are the most important rights of all. The Jewish Congress and
B'Nai Brith are the biggest threats to freedom of expression in this
country, backed as they are by governments that encourage them and even
grovel to them. I am reminded of what went on in a different context in
Maurice Duplessis' Quebec. 

As already stated, this tribunal is dealing with a column that was the
subject of a five-week complaint last year by the Canadian Jewish
Congress.That was the one on "Hollywood Propaganda." I have it here, in
case you haven't seen it. For the North Shore News, the price of winning
that one was over $200,000. So this tribunal is a matter of double
jeopardy. Obviously, Ujjal Dosnanjh has never heard of that. Or doesn't
want to hear of it.

3/

The Abrams complaint includes three other columns. Fire a whole quiver
of arrows and one might hit the target, you see. And there's nothing to
say that after this tribunal hands down its decision, he or one of his
accomplices won't come up with yet another bunch of columns. There's a
word for this sort of thing - barratry - meaning constant,
vicious and vexatious litigation, in this instance encouraged by the
worst B.C. government in living memory.

So far, the Heresy Act has been used selectively. But don't kid
yourselves that won't be used more widely.That's the way of it with
leftists. It's called Fabian Socialism. The tree of freedom is being
demolished slowly, branch by branch. It reminds me of an article I saw
in the Atlantic Monthly, which asked whether democracy wasn't just a
moment.

One of the absurdities of the situation is that making human rights
complaints can be a way of making money. Harry Abrams wants B'Nai Brith
to be awarded $5,000 each from me and the *News* for every column that's
found to be in fault, plus - and get this - $2,000 for himself on
account of the time he spent getting his allegations together. Poor
Harry.      What's HIS rate of pay, I wonder? Two thousand bucks an
hour? And he wants $2,000 for himself even though he's been granted
legal aid. Legal aid, you see, is available to all complainants even if
they are as rich as Bill Gates. But it's not automatically available to
those who are being prosecuted. They have to qualify. How one-sided can
you get? 

The forces arrayed against freedom are big time. Instead of standing up
for free speech, which is what a province's chief law officer should do,
Ujjal Dosanjh favors censorship. Yet he's the guy who's always talking
about equality. He supports leftists who have pressured hotels into
denying meeting rooms for the politically incorrect. He has also
organized police "hate squads." Fascist countries have had similar kinds
of police. Dozanjh the immigrant is B.C.'s Big Brother, here to instruct
us on British democracy. 

I am not here to plead for myself. My day is done. I am here to plead
for what used to be British Columbia, where opinion was once
untrammeled. I am here to plead for a free press. Barbara Amiel once
asked whether there is anyone in this country who will give us back our
freedoms. Apparently not. Not in Victoria and not in Ottawa,
irrespective of party. So one day we may wake up to find we can say
nothing unless the Dosanjhes and the Clarks tell us it's OK to say it.
And if you're criticizing a powerful pressure group, get your copy
cleared by them in advance. The same forces are now trying to control
the Internet. To them, free comment is intolerable. 

4/


This is no longer a free country. Don't kid yourselves that it is. And
it will not be until we get rid of these awful human rights commissions.
Everyone associated with them should be ashamed of themselves. Should
be, but aren't. Money and power are involved, and they wake up in the
morning wondering whom they can go after next. Well, it may be you. 

One more thing. I am retired from newspaper work and am speaking for
myself, not for the *North Shore News*. Thank you. 


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Re: Doug Collins,
A biographical sketch:

Doug Collins was born 77 years ago in the United Kingdom. 

In 1939, with the outbreak of the Second World War, he volunteered for
the British Army and, while serving as an infantry sergeant, was
captured by the Germans at Dunkirk in 1940. 

As a POW in both German and Hungarian prisoner of war camps, Collins
staged as many as 10 separate attempts to escape captivity. Upon his
release from Rumania in 1944, he again fought with the British forces in
Europe until the end of the war. 

Between 1946 and 1950, Collins served as a political intelligence
officer with the British Control Commission's de-Nazification program in
Germany. 

In 1952, he emigrated to Canada.

Doug Collins' career in journalism has included work in print and
electronic media, both as a reporter and commentator. He has worked at
several of the big Canadian dailies, including the *Calgary Herald*, the
*Vancouver Province* and the *Vancouver Sun*. For a time, he hosted an
open-line radio talk show at CJOR in Vancouver, and was also employed by
CBC Television. 

Between 1983 and 1997, Collins wrote a popular and controversial column
for the *North Shore News* (North Vancouver, BC). 

On November 12, 1997, a complaint brought before the British Columbia
Human Rights Commission by the Canadian Jewish Congress for comments
made in a column Doug Collins wrote entitled "Hollywood Propaganda"
(March 9, 1994, *North Shore News*) was dismissed. 

He is the author of several books, including the wartime memoir, *POW: A
Soldier's Story of His Ten Escapes from Nazi Prison Camps* (New York:
W.W. Norton, 1968), *Immigration: Parliament versus the People* (1986)
and *The Best and Worst of Doug Collins* (1988). 

Doug Collins' work in journalism has been honored with Canada's National
Newspaper Award (1953) and the MacMillan Bloedel Award (1975). On
January 20, 1993, he was awarded the Commemorative Medal for the 125th
Anniversary of Canada's Confederation. The medal honors Canadians "who
have made a significant contribution to their fellow citizens, their
community or to Canada." 

Doug Collins: "I will conclude by saying that I am 77 years of age, that
I defended freedom in the 1940s when Hitler was on the loose, in the
1970s when the federal hate laws were passed, and in the 1990s when
those idiots in Victoria passed their misnamed Human Rights Act, and
that I shall go on defending freedom until the day I die." 



-- 
************************************************************
* "What sort of truth is it that needs protection?"        * 
* Auberon Waugh - The London Daily Telegraph - May 9, 1992 *

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into an extortion
business!


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  writes:
> 
> > Patrick are you part of this Clan if so what are you hoping in
> > accomplishing. Kenneth McVay has a cool
> > head I did mention it to him how your system works.
> > Kenneth on the other hand keeps his cool and at the right time will find
> > a way to screw someone.
> >
> > What will your kind do if you have ousted anyone else of the info
> > highway and you do have
> > a monopoly of what is being said will your kind move in for the kill. Is
> > this the reason why
> > Kenneth McVay said a while back nobody ever won. What does happen when
> > you get someone
> > in to the Jail by playing your law game ?. one thing is for sure when
> > someone gets out of jail
> > you will still have the same questionable character you have today are
> > you proud of it.
> >
> > PS I like most of the other citizen of  this Country would like to talk
> > and tell the truth
> > the way it is but you and company make this impossible. Your Scare
> > tactics seem to work
> > for the others I have only one thing to say don't be under any illusion
> > you maybe next.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> 
> Next for what?  To be required to adhere to Terms of Service he's
> agreed to?  To be required to obey the laws of his country?
> 


To Paraphrase Martin Niemüller:
First they came to the Zundels and I did not speak out because I was not
a Zundel

Than the came for the Irving's and I did not speak out because I was not
an Irving

Than they came for the Collins and I did not speak out because I was not
a Collins.

Than the came for me but there was no one left to speak out for me.

Werner Knoll


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> > >




> > To Paraphrase Martin Niemüller:
> > First they came to the Zundels and I did not speak out because I was not
> > a Zundel
> >
> > Than the came for the Irving's and I did not speak out because I was not
> > an Irving
> >
> > Than they came for the Collins and I did not speak out because I was not
> > a Collins.
> >
> > Than the came for me but there was no one left to speak out for me.
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> 
> Since "came for", in this case, means "being required to adhere both
> to criminal law and terms of service agreed to," I don't see a
> problem.
> 
> As to Zundel and Irving, each of them brought their own troubles on
> themselves -- had Zundel not applied for a change in his status, his
> lies wouldn't have been relevant; had Irving not tried to use the
> courts to muzzle criticism of his lies and deceptions, he wouldn't
> have ruined himself financially, or caused an academic like van Pelt
> to pay close, line-by-line attention to his supposed history.
> 
> As to the two of you, well, it's clear that Canada's lax immigration
> laws have their drawbacks, eh?
> 
> --

I never stole Arab land!

Talking to Tookalook, Lookandtook and Himsucktoo the told me we stole
their land. This includes you too...

Is seen Zundel on TV when he said If there was no Zyklon - B there was
no Holocaust. Does this now mean there were now Jews killed? It does
not!

Coming back to Niemöller?
On page 141 of Crimes and Mercies it says:

For instance, when Pastor Marin Niemöller said that he wanted to make a
tour of Switzerland and the US in 1946 to 'appeal to fellow Christians
and men of good will', he was arrested and returned to a concentration
camp.

On page 137 it say's:

The widow of an officer, Col. Georg Hansen, who had been executed by
Hitler for resistance, lived in grief and poverty after the war because
she was refused a pension and her husband's account was for a long time
blocked by the Allies.

Werner Knoll


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Patrick Keenan wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1E78C5.7720D856@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Patrick Keenan wrote:


> > I printed this list because it was not specific  who is a member of
> > Nizkor or Nambla!
> >
> 
> Well, no point in discussing further with you, since you don't seem to
> understand  your responsibilites or the position you've put yourself in.
> 
> I will suggest that you have your attorney explain it to you.
> 
> -pk
> 
>  

Charge me and stop fucking around!


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Doug Collins was right when he wrote:

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A "Human Rights" Statement by Doug Collins 

Victoria, British Columbia, July 20, 1998 

I am not attending this so-called human rights tribunal - except to say
that I am not attending. I am not defending the columns Harry Abrams and
B'Nai Brith are complaining about because there is nothing to defend.
The columns contain facts and opinions that Jewish organizations don't
like. But they are not hate literature. If they were I would have been
charged under the federal hate laws. Instead, the Human Rights Code -
B.C.'s Heresy Act - has been thrown at me and the *North Shore News* for
the second time. It's harassment, pure and simple, especially when you
consider that one of the columns that figure in this complaint was heard
last year at the first tribunal. The complaint was dismissed, so the
Inquisition wants a re-match. But if I can steal a title from a book,
let me say that none dare call it conspiracy. 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We are seeing the greatest
threat to freedom of the press since the courts shot down the Alberta
Press Act in 1938. But many in the media don't understand that, or that
this Heresy Act is an instrument for enforcing political correctness, so
that anyone telling a Newfie joke could find himself up before a
kangaroo court.

What is a kangaroo court? It's a tribunal where truth is no defense,
where opinion is on trial, where fines can be unlimited, where there is
no trial by jury, where the judge - called an adjudicator - is judge,
jury and prosecutor, where there is no right of appeal within the
framework of the Act, where normal rules of evidence don't exist, and
where impressions count for more than fact. 

If some powerful pressure group like the Canadian Jewish Congress or
B'Nai Brith doesn't like what you are saying, you can become the subject
of a vicious and costly complaint. That applies even if the case leads
to a dismissal. It's a signal to publishers and writers not to have too
much to say where the interests of such groups are concerned. 

Where heresy is concerned the NDP has no time for the real courts and
has admitted it. But the only hope lies with the regular legal system
because this abominable law is almost certainly unconstitutional. Roger
McConchie, the lawyer for the B.C. Press Council, had it right when he
said that the Human Rights Code is is an attempt to stifle speech that
is not criminal.

2/
It's a big story, very little of which has been explained in the
mainstream media. Saturated in political correctness as so many of them
are, they demonize dissidents and accept handouts from people who use
trigger words like "racist," "white supremacist," "anti-Semitic," and
"hatemonger." But there has been some opposition. The *Globe & Mail* has
called the law "a criminal abuse of human rights"; the *Calgary Herald*
said it was "a tool of repression"; *B.C. Report* magazine has compared
what is happening here with press restrictions in Nazi Germany; to its
credit, even the *Jewish Western Bulletin* has stated editorially that
this is a dangerous law, and the Writers Union of Canada asked Premier
Glen Clark to get rid of it. We can be sure that its letter went into
the trash basket.

The B.C. Press Council and the B.C. Civil Liberties Association have
performed nobly. Last year they intervened on behalf of the North Shore
News. They're not doing it this time because we are not defending
ourselves unless we get to the real courts. 

The Human Rights Code is a legal atrocity. Anyone who says anything that
"indicates" discrimination can fall within its orbit, especially if they
are right of centre. Left of centre is safe enough, of course. The B.C.
Government Employees Union, the Canadian Jewish Congress, B'Nai Brith
and similar groups would never have to face the kind of action they
favor for others. A double standard exists. 

Recently, they tried to prevent Doug Christie's Free Speech League from
holding a meeting in a public library. If THAT doesn't indicate
discrimination, what does? But he would be wasting his time if he
entered a human rights complaint, even though freedom of speech and
assembly are the most important rights of all. The Jewish Congress and
B'Nai Brith are the biggest threats to freedom of expression in this
country, backed as they are by governments that encourage them and even
grovel to them. I am reminded of what went on in a different context in
Maurice Duplessis' Quebec. 

As already stated, this tribunal is dealing with a column that was the
subject of a five-week complaint last year by the Canadian Jewish
Congress.That was the one on "Hollywood Propaganda." I have it here, in
case you haven't seen it. For the North Shore News, the price of winning
that one was over $200,000. So this tribunal is a matter of double
jeopardy. Obviously, Ujjal Dosnanjh has never heard of that. Or doesn't
want to hear of it.

3/

The Abrams complaint includes three other columns. Fire a whole quiver
of arrows and one might hit the target, you see. And there's nothing to
say that after this tribunal hands down its decision, he or one of his
accomplices won't come up with yet another bunch of columns. There's a
word for this sort of thing - barratry - meaning constant,
vicious and vexatious litigation, in this instance encouraged by the
worst B.C. government in living memory.

So far, the Heresy Act has been used selectively. But don't kid
yourselves that won't be used more widely.That's the way of it with
leftists. It's called Fabian Socialism. The tree of freedom is being
demolished slowly, branch by branch. It reminds me of an article I saw
in the Atlantic Monthly, which asked whether democracy wasn't just a
moment.

One of the absurdities of the situation is that making human rights
complaints can be a way of making money. Harry Abrams wants B'Nai Brith
to be awarded $5,000 each from me and the *News* for every column that's
found to be in fault, plus - and get this - $2,000 for himself on
account of the time he spent getting his allegations together. Poor
Harry.      What's HIS rate of pay, I wonder? Two thousand bucks an
hour? And he wants $2,000 for himself even though he's been granted
legal aid. Legal aid, you see, is available to all complainants even if
they are as rich as Bill Gates. But it's not automatically available to
those who are being prosecuted. They have to qualify. How one-sided can
you get? 

The forces arrayed against freedom are big time. Instead of standing up
for free speech, which is what a province's chief law officer should do,
Ujjal Dosanjh favors censorship. Yet he's the guy who's always talking
about equality. He supports leftists who have pressured hotels into
denying meeting rooms for the politically incorrect. He has also
organized police "hate squads." Fascist countries have had similar kinds
of police. Dozanjh the immigrant is B.C.'s Big Brother, here to instruct
us on British democracy. 

I am not here to plead for myself. My day is done. I am here to plead
for what used to be British Columbia, where opinion was once
untrammeled. I am here to plead for a free press. Barbara Amiel once
asked whether there is anyone in this country who will give us back our
freedoms. Apparently not. Not in Victoria and not in Ottawa,
irrespective of party. So one day we may wake up to find we can say
nothing unless the Dosanjhes and the Clarks tell us it's OK to say it.
And if you're criticizing a powerful pressure group, get your copy
cleared by them in advance. The same forces are now trying to control
the Internet. To them, free comment is intolerable. 

4/


This is no longer a free country. Don't kid yourselves that it is. And
it will not be until we get rid of these awful human rights commissions.
Everyone associated with them should be ashamed of themselves. Should
be, but aren't. Money and power are involved, and they wake up in the
morning wondering whom they can go after next. Well, it may be you. 

One more thing. I am retired from newspaper work and am speaking for
myself, not for the *North Shore News*. Thank you. 


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Re: Doug Collins,
A biographical sketch:

Doug Collins was born 77 years ago in the United Kingdom. 

In 1939, with the outbreak of the Second World War, he volunteered for
the British Army and, while serving as an infantry sergeant, was
captured by the Germans at Dunkirk in 1940. 

As a POW in both German and Hungarian prisoner of war camps, Collins
staged as many as 10 separate attempts to escape captivity. Upon his
release from Rumania in 1944, he again fought with the British forces in
Europe until the end of the war. 

Between 1946 and 1950, Collins served as a political intelligence
officer with the British Control Commission's de-Nazification program in
Germany. 

In 1952, he emigrated to Canada.

Doug Collins' career in journalism has included work in print and
electronic media, both as a reporter and commentator. He has worked at
several of the big Canadian dailies, including the *Calgary Herald*, the
*Vancouver Province* and the *Vancouver Sun*. For a time, he hosted an
open-line radio talk show at CJOR in Vancouver, and was also employed by
CBC Television. 

Between 1983 and 1997, Collins wrote a popular and controversial column
for the *North Shore News* (North Vancouver, BC). 

On November 12, 1997, a complaint brought before the British Columbia
Human Rights Commission by the Canadian Jewish Congress for comments
made in a column Doug Collins wrote entitled "Hollywood Propaganda"
(March 9, 1994, *North Shore News*) was dismissed. 

He is the author of several books, including the wartime memoir, *POW: A
Soldier's Story of His Ten Escapes from Nazi Prison Camps* (New York:
W.W. Norton, 1968), *Immigration: Parliament versus the People* (1986)
and *The Best and Worst of Doug Collins* (1988). 

Doug Collins' work in journalism has been honored with Canada's National
Newspaper Award (1953) and the MacMillan Bloedel Award (1975). On
January 20, 1993, he was awarded the Commemorative Medal for the 125th
Anniversary of Canada's Confederation. The medal honors Canadians "who
have made a significant contribution to their fellow citizens, their
community or to Canada." 

Doug Collins: "I will conclude by saying that I am 77 years of age, that
I defended freedom in the 1940s when Hitler was on the loose, in the
1970s when the federal hate laws were passed, and in the 1990s when
those idiots in Victoria passed their misnamed Human Rights Act, and
that I shall go on defending freedom until the day I die." 



-- 
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* "What sort of truth is it that needs protection?"        * 
* Auberon Waugh - The London Daily Telegraph - May 9, 1992 *

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into an extortion
business!


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Patrick Keenan wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1E955F.452D6315@telus.net...
> >


> > > I will suggest that you have your attorney explain it to you.
> > >
> > > -pk
> > >
> > >  
> >
> > Charge me and stop fucking around!
> 
> It's not up to me, Werner, but be patient; I'm sure that at least one of the
> people you've defamed will oblige you.     And you're welcome for the favour
> I was doing you; probably, all you had to do was retract and apologize.
> 
> Oh, and the stuff below really doesn't apply to your situation, which you
> seem not to understand.    Libel and defamation laws go back a lot further
> than the human rights laws Mr. Collins complained about.
> 
> -pk
> 
> >
> >

Look... I am going to be 69 years old soon. In 1943 10 years old I
learned how to fight fires. In 44 we were bombed and burned out.
Evacuated to a Catholic village , beaten up because we were not
Catholics. Returning to Nürnberg we were exposed to starvation.
Contacted tuberculosis in 1945, almost being killed for taking from the
American field kitchen leftovers. 

Coming to Canada in 1956 we were constantly pissed at and told we are
Nazi criminals.

The only thing wrong with me is having no fear!

If somebody likes to lay charges, so be it. I can tell you it will be
the biggest circus for people to see.

I promised Telus, if the like to fuck around with me, I will make sure
it will get in as many news paper in BC with enough postings to show
what is going on.

Werner Knoll


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> > >
> > > Werner Knoll  writes:
> > >
> > > > Joel Rosenberg wrote:



> > > As to the two of you, well, it's clear that Canada's lax immigration
> > > laws have their drawbacks, eh?
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > I never stole Arab land!
> 
> You're living on land stolen from Indians.  Give it back.
> 
> --

Somebody sold me stolen land so they better see him first!

Werner Knoll


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Subject: Re: A Letter to Ernst Zundel
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:16:00 -0800
From: Werner Knoll 
Organization: The Knoll's
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can.general,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> In article <36E18BF0.D8026D7C@istar.ca>, Werner Knoll  
wrote:
> >Otto Mühling got captured at the BEGINNING of May and put outside Dachau
> >AS Dachau was liberated. He was right there at the very end. He says
> >that the were about a week outside the main gate of this concentration
> >camp and could easily have seen truck removing bodies. NOTHING was
> >removed.
>
> Are you saying that there were no bodies, Mr. Knoll?
> Is that what you are getting at, based upon the testimony of a single
> "eyewitness" that nothing left the camp?
>
> Are you still denying yourself the opportunity to see, with your own
> eyes, German civilians viewing the bodies at other camps? Or would you
> rather avoid dealing with the reality?
>
> Take your blinders off, Mr. Knoll, and look at the truth.

Perhaps you are only willing do hear or read what you like to see?

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Subject: Re: A Letter to Ernst Zundel
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:31:32 -0800
From: Werner Knoll 
Organization: The Knoll's

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> In article <36E06F00.DDAB3FD4@istar.ca>, Werner Knoll  
wrote:
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

In regard to health risk? My brother and me contacted tuberculosis
Because of the condition we were living under.

You seem to be hell bend to make me look at your web sites? Chances are
Ken that I seen all this movies courtesy of the American occupation
Forces from 1945 to 1947.

Every school child in Germany who was living in a big city with the
Exception of kindergarten was herded class by class into this Movie
Theater and shown pictures. I can assure you the brain washing did not
stop there.

What you seem to forget that we as civilians did not look much better
than those former concentration camp inmates.

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Mister Otto Mühling was not simple anybody off the street who was trying
to be smart. I have known this man for more that twenty years and found
him trustworthy. The point I am trying to make here; Mister Mühling
rightfully was asking himself and others why the were only shown
pictures when there was chance to show the real thing.

It stands to reason that People died in these concentration camps. The
Germans like the Americans after the war looked after their own first to
supply with food. If you care to listen to the Americans why they let so
many German prisoners of war die of starvation, the will tell you that
they did not have enough food to go around.

Why do you think that it was different with the Germans? Firstly This
people in this concentration camps were looked at as disposable. Most, I
would say all of them were undernourished to begin with.

What do you think would happen to people like this, who were half death
already considering that near the end nobody did care for them anymore?
The die!!!

One of the reason why people like you have to be on the defense today is
very simple. For years your supporters have done a very good job to make
sure people get punished for not believing your stories.

Werner Knoll
What is history but a fable agreed upon?
Napoleon, Sayings


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What would you say when I tell you that in a posting  on Wed. 6,
September 2000 "Die Saat geht auf" in de.soc.politik.misc 
a Mister Volker Eichmann wrote:

Volker Eichman wrote:
Meine Oma ist 89, die hat das 3. Reich miterlebt. Sie hat - als einfache
Baeuerin in der Naehe von Muenchen - in der Endphase 1945 die Zuege der
KZ - Opfer aus Dachau gesehen, sie hat gesehen, wie die SS ihre Opfer
misshandelt hat...

My grandma 89 years old has seen with her own eyes as train after train
moved "KZ - victims from Dachau to a save place.

Volker Eichmann is one of the new refucked young German generation who
thinks that everybody of a certain age must be a Nazi and 
Holocaust Mafia's little helper.

************************************************************

Werner Knoll





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"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
> 
> In article ,
> Patrick Keenan  wrote:
> 
> [Knoll flushed]
> 
> >Well, no point in discussing further with you, since you don't seem to
> >understand  your responsibilites or the position you've put yourself in.
> >
> >I will suggest that you have your attorney explain it to you.
> 
> That is very good advice.
> 
> The material Mr. Knoll republished is poisonous and deleterious,
> as it makes statements about me which are completely false,
> libelous and defamatory within the meaning of section 299 of
> the Criminal Code of Canada.
> 
> By republishing the false information, Mr. Knoll is perpetuating
> the defamation, and enhancing its availability, since anyone who
> does a search of my name on any of the major search engines
> may come up with this misinformation, which is certainly damaging
> to me in my capacity as a civil libertarian and human rights
> advocate.
> 
> Mr. Knoll would indeed be well advised to discuss this matter with his
> attorney, and do so quickly, as he has laid himself open to both civil
> and criminal liability by republishing false allegations.
> 
> Mr. Knoll can avoid civil consequences by publishing a complete and
> unqualified retraction in alt.revisionism , can.general, and
> us.politics within 24 hours.
> 
> If he fails to do this, he _will_ be subject to civil action.
> 
> As the criminal investigation is in the hands of the RCMP, it's out
> of my hands.
> 
> I encourage the other victims of Mr. Knoll's defamatory libel to
> contact their solicitors with respect to a civil libel suit, and to
> contact the RCMP or their local police authority with respect to
> criminal charges as appropriate.
> 
> --
> "...I note that on the few occasions of which I am aware where purveyors of
> anti-Semitic propaganda have endeavoured to justify their materials in
> court on the facts and the merits, they have been singularly unsuccessful..."
>    (http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/s/scully-olga/reason.html)


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Patrick Keenan wrote:
> > >
> > > "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> > > news:3C1E955F.452D6315@telus.net...



> >
> > Look... I am going to be 69 years old soon.
> 
> One would hope not, but that is, alas, a possibility.  Can I persuade
> you to gargle with gasoline and have a cigarette?

Only when I am inside  a Synagogue!
> 
>   In 1943 10 years old I
> > learned how to fight fires. In 44 we were bombed and burned out.
> > Evacuated to a Catholic village , beaten up because we were not
> > Catholics. Returning to Nürnberg we were exposed to starvation.
> > Contacted tuberculosis in 1945, almost being killed for taking from the
> > American field kitchen leftovers.
> >
> > Coming to Canada in 1956 we were constantly pissed at and told we are
> > Nazi criminals.
> 
> Well, you're clearly Nazi sympathizers, and for social purposes,
> that's close enough.

Like having a Jewish Name is close enough to be a bad person?

Werner Knoll


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Joel Rosenberg wrote:


> > > One would hope not, but that is, alas, a possibility.  Can I persuade
> > > you to gargle with gasoline and have a cigarette?
> >
> > Only when I am inside  a Synagogue!
> > >


> > > Well, you're clearly Nazi sympathizers, and for social purposes,
> > > that's close enough.
> >
> > Like having a Jewish Name is close enough to be a bad person?
> >
> 
> Nope; not at all.  Nothing wrong with having a Jewish name or not;
> there's a lot wrong with being a Nazi, or sympathizer.
> 
> HTH.  But, frankly, I doubt it.
> 
> --
Where do I sympathize with Nazi's

Werner Knoll


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1EB6BB.6E5E6F60@telus.net>, Werner Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > Look... I am going to be 69 years old soon. In 1943 10 years old I
> > learned how to fight fires. In 44 we were bombed and burned out.
> > Evacuated to a Catholic village , beaten up because we were not
> > Catholics. Returning to Nürnberg we were exposed to starvation.
> > Contacted tuberculosis in 1945, almost being killed for taking from the
> > American field kitchen leftovers.
> 
> Whoopdie doo.
> 
> Absolutely none of those experiences -- if true, which is doubtful given your
> poor record for honesty -- grants you the right to lie about other people, moron.
> 
> You just don't understand your repsonsibilities as a citizen of a civilized
> nation do you, jackass?
> 
> JGB

What civilized world? Who is running this civilized world?


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Nixon

Vancouver Province Thursday, October 7, 1999

Tapes show anti - Semite

WASHINGTON - Tape recordings of U.S. President Richard Nixon at the
White House show him to be a foul - mouthed anti - Semite.

The tapes are the first of thousands of hours of recordings ordered by
Nixon to chronicle his second term.

Released by the National Archives, the tapes cover February to July
1971, when unemployment was rising and the U.S. was suffering heavy
losses in Vietnam.

In a conversation with H. R. Haldeman, his chief of staff, Nixon talks
of his problems with "the Jews."


Washington, he says, "is full of Jews." After noting several exceptions
to his rule, Nixon adds: "Most Jews are disloyal. Generally speaking,
you can't trust the bastards. The turn on you. Am I wrong or right?"

In July 1971 Nixon felt he was undermined by unexpected release of bad
unemployment ?? by the Bureau of Labour Statistics. He ordered CHxxx?
Colson to investigate the bureau with a view to sacking its Jewish head.

On the tapes Colson lists the names of the leading officials, at which
Nixon exclaimed incredulously: "They are all Jews?" Colson replies:
"Every one of them. Well with a couple of exceptions. You just have xx?
down the god dam list and you know they are out to kill us."

End.

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown, Ken McVay's foreskin



Werner Knoll


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Hartmann Schaffer wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1EB93B.AADDA853@telus.net>,
>         Werner Knoll  writes:
> > ...
> > What would you say when I tell you that in a posting  on Wed. 6,
> > September 2000 "Die Saat geht auf" in de.soc.politik.misc
> > a Mister Volker Eichmann wrote:
> >
> > Volker Eichman wrote:
> > Meine Oma ist 89, die hat das 3. Reich miterlebt. Sie hat - als einfache
> > Baeuerin in der Naehe von Muenchen - in der Endphase 1945 die Zuege der
> > KZ - Opfer aus Dachau gesehen, sie hat gesehen, wie die SS ihre Opfer
> > misshandelt hat...
> >
> > My grandma 89 years old has seen with her own eyes as train after train
> > moved "KZ - victims from Dachau to a save place.
> >
> > Volker Eichmann is one of the new refucked young German generation who
> > thinks that everybody of a certain age must be a Nazi and
> > Holocaust Mafia's little helper.
> 
> how about you lear to read:  this volker eichmann made it quite clear
> that he got this information from an eyewitness he trusted - his
> grandmother.  or are you trying to say that a good german should hide
> the truth?
> 
> hs

Subject: Re: "Die Saat geht auf"
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:15:56 - 0700
From: Werner Knoll 

Nirgends.  Du hast bislange keine Belege fuer deine Behauptungen
gebracht. Ausser irgendwelche nichtssagenden und gar nicht zum Thema
passenden Zeitungstexten kam nichts als Antwort auf meine Frage.

Vo daher habe ich bei Dir nur den Eindruck: 67 Jahre und nichts
dazugelernt. Traurig, einfach nur traurig. Und auch traurig fuer Kanada,
ein wunderschoenes und tolerantes Land (das deswegen auch eine Werner
Knoll gut aushalten und ueberleben wird).

Mein Oma ist 89, die hat das 3. Reich miterlebt. Sie hat - als einfache
Baerin in der Naehe von Muenchen - in der Endphase 1945 die Zuege der KZ
- Opfer aus Dachau gesehen, sie hat gesehen wie die SS ihre Opfer
misshandelt hat. Die weiss auf jedenfall wovon sie redet, wenn sie das
nie wieder sehen will und wenn sie das nie wieder sehen will und wenn
sie froh ist, dass das im heutigen Deutschland auch nicht gibt. Vor so
jemanden habe ich Hochachtung. Nicht vor einem 67 jaehrigen der in
Kanada sitzt, keine ahnung hat und ueber das heutige Deutschland
lamentiert. Da haette ich hoechstens Verachtung uebrig, wenn es mir das
wert waere...

Gruss Volker

End

Question? Did he thrust his Oma as a reliable source. I think he did
Get someone to read for you!

His Oma seen it with her own eye's!!!

I do hop McVay will charge me because I have dozends of posting where he
called me a liar!

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deed of the Nazi's into an extortion
business


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Hartmann Schaffer wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1E8470.26A34E6@telus.net>,
>         Werner Knoll  writes:
> > ...
> > To Paraphrase Martin Niemüller:
> 
> i am very sure that niemoeller, and antfascist resistance member,
> would spin in his grave if he knew that he is being misquoted by an
> nazi holdout who is too stupid to recognize the difference between
> civil courage and mindless defamation
> 
> > ...
> 
> hs
> 
> --
> 
> how are we defending our freedom and democracy by dismantling them?


Many older Germans would spin in their grave if the could see how
Germany is taken to the cleaner by Jewish extortionists?

Werner Knoll


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In a perfect world they hang Lawyers and moneychangers side by side

Werner Knoll

Patrick Keenan wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1EB6BB.6E5E6F60@telus.net...
> >
> > Patrick Keenan wrote:
> > >
> > > "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> > > news:3C1E955F.452D6315@telus.net...
> > > >
> > > > > I will suggest that you have your attorney explain it to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > -pk
> > > > >
> > > > >  
> > > >
> > > > Charge me and stop fucking around!
> > >
> > > It's not up to me, Werner, but be patient; I'm sure that at least one of
> the
> > > people you've defamed will oblige you.     And you're welcome for the
> favour
> > > I was doing you; probably, all you had to do was retract and apologize.
> > >
> > > Oh, and the stuff below really doesn't apply to your situation, which
> you
> > > seem not to understand.    Libel and defamation laws go back a lot
> further
> > > than the human rights laws Mr. Collins complained about.
> > >
> > > -pk
> > >
> > Look... I am going to be 69 years old soon. In 1943 10 years old I
> > learned how to fight fires. In 44 we were bombed and burned out.
> > Evacuated to a Catholic village , beaten up because we were not
> > Catholics. Returning to Nürnberg we were exposed to starvation.
> > Contacted tuberculosis in 1945, almost being killed for taking from the
> > American field kitchen leftovers.
> >
> > Coming to Canada in 1956 we were constantly pissed at and told we are
> > Nazi criminals.
> 
> Your history is irrelevant to breaking the laws of Canada, which you
> certainly seem to have done.
> 
> > The only thing wrong with me is having no fear!
> 
> To tell you the truth, that's not how I would describe what I'm seeing.
> There's a difference between lack of fear and stupidity.
> 
> Are you truly incapable of understanding what you did today?  Perhaps you
> can use *that* as a defence, since you probably don't have the one thing you
> actually could use, which is complete proof of all of your claims.
> 
> You really don't understand that you are facing five years in a federal
> penitentiary, plus monetary penalties, do you?
> 
> See a lawyer.   You need one, fast.  And retract and apologise.
> 
> > If somebody likes to lay charges, so be it. I can tell you it will be
> > the biggest circus for people to see.
> 
> I rather doubt that.   It looks like pretty straightforward libel and
> defamation to me, with suits from several people.   There's also this little
> matter of  a violation of the Criminal Code of Canada that's worth up to
> five years of your time.  See below.
> 
> Your lawyer will likely tell you the same thing.   If they tell you
> something else, suspect their competence and get another opinion.     Unless
> you actually are holding the ace, which is defined below, you've screwed
> yourself, and have no-one else to blame.
> 
> > I promised Telus, if the like to fuck around with me, I will make sure
> > it will get in as many news paper in BC with enough postings to show
> > what is going on.
> 
> I doubt Telus will 'fuck around with you'.   I rather think they will
> quickly decline to have you as a customer, since you've violated their terms
> of service, and probably won't wish to be held party to your behaviour.
> 
> I suppose some fringe rag will put up with you.  Any paper that actually
> does its research will probably publish the story as your being a nazi
> sympathiser charged with libel; the newsworthiness being in the media you
> used (i.e., libel on the Internet).     You are not Ernst Zundel, and he is
> *much* smarter than you.
> 
> I doubt any court will consider or allow your irrelevant complaints.   The
> only postings that are relevant are your libellous/defamatory one,  and the
> reply posts from those you've libelled/defamed.
> 
> See a lawer.   You need one, right now.
> 
> Perhaps you'll understand if I draw a stick man for you - though I doubt it.
> You seem determined to 'martyr' yourself for your cause, but you won't be
> martyred for your cause, you'll simply be a common criminal.   And a rather
> stupid one, at that.   You don't seem to understand that you've chosen...
> poorly.
> 
> First, read the stuff below.   Slowly.
> 
> Then see a lawyer.   You need one, yesterday.
> --------------
> 
> http://insight.cas.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc.298.html
> 
> DEFINITION / Mode of Expression.
> 298. [1] A defamatory libel is matter published, without lawful
> justification or excuse, that is likely to injure the reputation of any
> person by exposing him to hatred, contempt or ridicule, or that is designed
> to insult the person of or concerning whom it is published.
> [2] A defamatory libel may be expressed directly or by insinuation or irony
> [a] in words legibly marked upon any substance; or
> [b] by any object signifying a defamatory libel otherwise than by words.
> [R.S., c.C-34, s.262.]
> 
> http://insight.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc.299.html
> 
> PUBLISHING.
> 299. [1] A person publishes a libel when he
> [a] exhibits it in public;
> [b] causes it to be read or seen; or
> [c] shows or delivers it, or causes it to be shown or delivered, with intent
> that it should be read or seen by the person whom it defames or by any other
> person. [R.S., c.c-34, s.263.]
> 
> http://insight.cas.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc.300.html
> 
> PUNISHMENT OF LIBEL KNOWN TO BE FALSE.
> 300. Every one who publishes a defamatory libel that he knows is false is
> guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not
> exceeding five years. [R.S., c.C-34, s.264.]
> 
> http://insight.cas.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc.301.html
> 
> PUNISHMENT FOR DEFAMATORY LIBEL.
> 301. Every one who publishes a defamatory libel is guilty of an indictable
> offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
> [R.S., c.C-34, s.265.]
> 
> Here is your ace, which I doubt you actually have.  Bluffing isn't
> recommended:
> http://insight.cas.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc.311.html
> 
> WHEN TRUTH A DEFENCE.
> 311. No person shall be deemed to publish a defamatory libel where he proves
> that the publication of the defamatory matter in the manner in which it was
> published was for the public benefit at the time when it was published and
> that the matter itself was true. [R.S., c.C-34, s.275.]
> -------------
> 
> Now, here's the stick man.  Try to follow this; there are four steps.
> 
> 1. You copied text that claims that names a number of people as being,  or
> supporting, homosexual pedophiles, and as being members of a group of
> homosexual pedophiles,  that at least one is a convicted criminal.   In
> short, you publicly accuse all of engaging in criminal acts, and offer no
> proof.  Your intent is to damage the reputations of the people you have
> named (section 298, above)
> 
> 2. (optional) You do no research to determine whether the claims are factual
> or not.   You don't actually contact any of these people you name. (section
> 300, above)
> 
> 3. You then published it, worldwide no less,  by posting to a newsgroup,
> under your own name from a traceable account. (Section 299, above)
> 
> 4. Unless you have complete documented proof that all of your claims are
> true for every person you've named, you've just broken the law.
> Congratulations.  (section 311, above).
> -------------
> The issue pretty much ends here.   Unless you can *prove to a court*  that
> your claims are actually true, you're facing up to a 2-year jail term on the
> criminal aspect,  up to 5 - that'll be in a federal penitentiary - if it's
> found that you knew your claims were false at the time you posted them.
> 
> Then, there's the monetary penalties to each of the people you've made
> claims about.   And don't forget your legal costs - your lawyer sure won't.
> And you need a lawyer, fast.   Even if you do retract and apologise, which I
> suggest you do.
> 
> I really don't think any of your references to anyone else's posts has any
> meaning or value in this context; neither does your personal history.
> 'Relevance' seems to be a concept you have difficulty grasping.
> 
> You *really* need to have a lawyer explain your situation to you, and fast.
> And, retract and apologise - unless you actually do have the ace, which is
> absolute proof that each and every person you've named has actually done the
> things you've claimed.
> 
> I think that you have until, what, 6PM Pacific time tomorow to avoid having
> one civil suit filed.   As to criminal charges, that's up to the RCMP now,
> as I understand it.
> 
> See a lawyer.  You need one.    And retract and apologise.
> 
> -pk
> >
> > Werner Knoll


From wernerkn@telus.net Wed Jan  9 19:00:51 EST 2002
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Hartmann Schaffer wrote:
> 
> In article <3C1ED422.DEF58D0C@telus.net>,
>         Werner Knoll  writes:
> > ...
> >> how about you lear to read:  this volker eichmann made it quite clear
> >> that he got this information from an eyewitness he trusted - his
> >> grandmother.  or are you trying to say that a good german should hide
> >> the truth?
> >>
> >> hs
> >
> > Subject: Re: "Die Saat geht auf"
> > Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:15:56 - 0700
> > From: Werner Knoll  > Newsgroups: de.soc.politik.misc,de.sci.geschichte
> >
> > Volker Eichman wrote: having sign's like this in front >
> >
> > Nirgends.  Du hast bislange keine Belege fuer deine Behauptungen
> > gebracht. Ausser irgendwelche nichtssagenden und gar nicht zum Thema
> > passenden Zeitungstexten kam nichts als Antwort auf meine Frage.
> >
> > Vo daher habe ich bei Dir nur den Eindruck: 67 Jahre und nichts
> > dazugelernt. Traurig, einfach nur traurig. Und auch traurig fuer Kanada,
> > ein wunderschoenes und tolerantes Land (das deswegen auch eine Werner
> > Knoll gut aushalten und ueberleben wird).
> >
> > Mein Oma ist 89, die hat das 3. Reich miterlebt. Sie hat - als einfache
> > Baerin in der Naehe von Muenchen - in der Endphase 1945 die Zuege der KZ
> > - Opfer aus Dachau gesehen, sie hat gesehen wie die SS ihre Opfer
> > misshandelt hat. Die weiss auf jedenfall wovon sie redet, wenn sie das
> > nie wieder sehen will und wenn sie das nie wieder sehen will und wenn
> > sie froh ist, dass das im heutigen Deutschland auch nicht gibt. Vor so
> > jemanden habe ich Hochachtung. Nicht vor einem 67 jaehrigen der in
> > Kanada sitzt, keine ahnung hat und ueber das heutige Deutschland
> > lamentiert. Da haette ich hoechstens Verachtung uebrig, wenn es mir das
> > wert waere...
> >
> > Gruss Volker
> >
> > End
> 
> something that is plain obvious from this post is that your
> correspondents in germany get the same impression of you as your
> correspondents in this ng

I gave the full text so there are no on further questions!



> 
> > Question? Did he thrust his Oma as a reliable source. I think he did
> 
> that seems to be pretty obvious from his post Your answer somehow cam accross as if this is not good enough?


> 
> > Get someone to read for you!
> 
> my german is still good enough




> 
> > His Oma seen it with her own eye's!!!
> 
> what other eyes could she have used?

?????


> 
> > I do hop McVay will charge me because I have dozends of posting where he
> > called me a liar!
> 
> half of the time because you posted false information.  personally i
> doubt that it you are a liar.  based on your posts you are way too
> stupid for lying
> 
> hs
> 

Ken McVay like you and me are sitting sort of in a glass house If he
does not like the surroundings, he can move to another place. I place
where the sun does not shine!

Werner Knoll


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c20086a_1@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 


> > Give yourself a break you sound like (Ein Abschaum Der Menschheit).
> 
> And you sound like a hysterical little bigot who still can't back up its claims
> that I am a "notorious" liar, little fool.
> 
> JGB
> 

You lied about the Holocaust by not believing in Jewish soap. On top of
it you are societies waste product, Ken McVay's stooge and foreskin.

Werner Knoll


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>  <3C1CF2ED.4604174E@telus.net>
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> <3c1d07b0_2@binaries.vphos.net>
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Who is this Jeffrey G Brown Ken McVay's stooge and fart?

The way I had contacts with him is still a mystery to me. But here is
something I learned from McVay...

Subject: Re: Antisemitic myths
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:42 GMT
From: dont@spam.me.spammer (Albino Protester)
Organization: Shaw Residential Internet
Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
van.general
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7




In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net
says...
>
>Another Continuing Holocaust Saga
>
****************************************************
It starts out with Albion posting having van.general in it. See what
happen next when McVay gets a hold of it...

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Subject: Removal of tattoo'd skin
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:14:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
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In article ,
Albino Protester  wrote:
>In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net says...

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Ken McVay removes van.general, ads alt.revisionism too  and sets
Followup-To alt.revisionism. On the next reply you have Jeffrey pissing
all ofer the place for free.

Werner Knoll


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P_R_I_V_A_T_E--C_I_T_I_Z_E_N wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:16:05 +0000 (UTC), <9vm5ck$2ik2$1@news.tht.net>
> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> >Patrick Keenan  wrote:
> >



> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=pa302ug2bv3r4nf7f9jb10srsvipuej2mq@4ax.com&hl=en
> Subject: V2.0 What sort of truth has to be defended with the threat of
> prosecution? (Compilation)
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:46:50 -0600
> Message-ID: 

 
> Care to point out the false allegations for all of us?
> 
> >Mr. Knoll can avoid civil consequences by publishing a complete and
> >unqualified retraction in alt.revisionism , can.general, and
> >us.politics within 24 hours.
> >
> 
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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3c210e79_1@binaries.vphos.net...
> 
> > "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
> > news:c6bd4de7.0112121344.734742c3@posting.google.com...
> > > "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> > news:<3c17b2e6_2@binaries.vphos.net>...



> > > We're not talking about movies.
> > >
> > > > Now is a typical Jewish way to deceive the public.
> > >
> > > And your nonsense is a typical antisemite's venting of spleen.
> > >
> > > > Just remember the more you lie the more I and others will search
> > > > for the truth.
> > >
> > > LOL!
> > >
> > > Someone searching for the truth would exhibit some knowledge of the
> > > subject, wouldn't be ignorant of all of the most distinguished German
> > > historians of the subject (while being familiar with every wing nut),
> > > and wouldn't continually get caught telling obvious lies.
> 
> > Can you proof Walendy is not an historian Mathews supply an honest proof
> > and trustworthy names.
> 
> Where does he claim to be an historian?
> 
> What history has he written?
> 
> Be honest now, Knoll.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Spotlight September 18 2000 in the US say's so!

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, the expose too Jeffrey G
Brown Ken Mcvays stooge and fart


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rick wrote:
> 
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> >
> > In case you don't know it anyone who is not 100 % convinced is a
> > Holohoax Denier.
> >
> 
> Here are some photographs for you kurt.
> They are 100% convincing to everyone but a moron.
> 
> Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
> The truth remains the same:
> 

> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?30
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?31
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?32
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?34
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?41
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?37
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?38
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?42
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?44
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?45
> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?46

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Subject: Re: A Letter to Ernst Zundel
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 14:16:00 -0800
From: Werner Knoll 
Organization: The Knoll's
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can.general,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> In article <36E18BF0.D8026D7C@istar.ca>, Werner Knoll  
wrote:
> >Otto Mühling got captured at the BEGINNING of May and put outside Dachau
> >AS Dachau was liberated. He was right there at the very end. He says
> >that the were about a week outside the main gate of this concentration
> >camp and could easily have seen truck removing bodies. NOTHING was
> >removed.
>
> Are you saying that there were no bodies, Mr. Knoll?
> Is that what you are getting at, based upon the testimony of a single
> "eyewitness" that nothing left the camp?
>
> Are you still denying yourself the opportunity to see, with your own
> eyes, German civilians viewing the bodies at other camps? Or would you
> rather avoid dealing with the reality?
>
> Take your blinders off, Mr. Knoll, and look at the truth.

Perhaps you are only willing do hear or read what you like to see?

***********************************************************
Subject: Re: A Letter to Ernst Zundel
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:31:32 -0800
From: Werner Knoll 
Organization: The Knoll's

Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>
> In article <36E06F00.DDAB3FD4@istar.ca>, Werner Knoll  
wrote:
> >Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:

In regard to health risk? My brother and me contacted tuberculosis
Because of the condition we were living under.

You seem to be hell bend to make me look at your web sites? Chances are
Ken that I seen all this movies courtesy of the American occupation
Forces from 1945 to 1947.

Every school child in Germany who was living in a big city with the
Exception of kindergarten was herded class by class into this Movie
Theater and shown pictures. I can assure you the brain washing did not
stop there.

What you seem to forget that we as civilians did not look much better
than those former concentration camp inmates.

***********************************************************
Mister Otto Mühling was not simple anybody off the street who was trying
to be smart. I have known this man for more that twenty years and found
him trustworthy. The point I am trying to make here; Mister Mühling
rightfully was asking himself and others why the were only shown
pictures when there was chance to show the real thing.

It stands to reason that People died in these concentration camps. The
Germans like the Americans after the war looked after their own first to
supply with food. If you care to listen to the Americans why they let so
many German prisoners of war die of starvation, the will tell you that
they did not have enough food to go around.

Why do you think that it was different with the Germans? Firstly This
people in this concentration camps were looked at as disposable. Most, I
would say all of them were undernourished to begin with.

What do you think would happen to people like this, who were half death
already considering that near the end nobody did care for them anymore?
The die!!!

One of the reason why people like you have to be on the defense today is
very simple. For years your supporters have done a very good job to make
sure people get punished for not believing your stories.

Werner Knoll
What is history but a fable agreed upon?
Napoleon, Sayings


********************************************************

What would you say when I tell you that in a posting  on Wed. 6,
September 2000 "Die Saat geht auf" in de.soc.politik.misc 
a Mister Volker Eichmann wrote:

Volker Eichman wrote:
Meine Oma ist 89, die hat das 3. Reich miterlebt. Sie hat - als einfache
Baeuerin in der Naehe von Muenchen - in der Endphase 1945 die Zuege der
KZ - Opfer aus Dachau gesehen, sie hat gesehen, wie die SS ihre Opfer
misshandelt hat...

My grandma 89 years old has seen with her own eyes as train after train
moved "KZ - victims from Dachau to a save place.

Volker Eichmann is one of the new refucked young German generation who
thinks that everybody of a certain age must be a Nazi and 
Holocaust Mafia's little helper.

************************************************************

Werner Knoll


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Pazifische Rundschau Februar 2001 Seite 11

Keine Kriegsbilder (No picture's about the war)
Der Maler und Autor des Bestseller "Das Boot", Lothar-Günther Buchheim
darf sein umstrittenen Kriegsbilder nun doch nicht ausstellen. Die
vorwürfe der Kriegsverherrlichung wies Buchheim strickt zurück.

What it says here? Mister Bucheim the author of "Das Boot" is not
allowed to display pictures about the war because it would glorify the
war!

You be the judge?

Werner Knoll

Michael Ragland wrote:
> 
> Kurt, your response to Rick, "How about some photos from the destruct
> cities to compare" is evasive. Since you're english isn't "perfect"
> that means you are not listening to what Rick is saying. If you asked
> Rick or me if the cities of Dresden, Berlin, etc. were bombed to
> smithereens I know I would say "Yes, they were." We're not denying
> German cities were destroyed by the Allies but you are denying the
> Holocaust occurred. In that sense, your "comparing" the two makes no
> sense and is not logical. Second, the German Nazi government under the
> leadership of Hitler brought on itself the Allied bombardment of
> German cities. Aren't you familiar with Hitler's foreign policy
> objectives Kurt? Early on, before he ever came to power, Hitler
> explicitly made clear Germany needed living space and that the
> solution was conquering land in the East..specifically Russia and her
> vassal border states. If you don't believe me Kurt I can get the
> quotes from Hitler from Mein Kampf. The Nazis invaded Poland Kurt.
> Before that they swallowed Czechoslovakia, occupied the Ruhr,
> disregarded the Versailles Treaty, and armed to the teeth the
> military. The Nazis instigated World War II. The British, French, etc.
> appeased Hitler to extraordinary lengths until finally appeasement no
> longer had any potential value. But if the leaders of Great Britain,
> France, the U.S., etc. had paid close attention to Hitler's foreign
> policy goals they would have realized appeasement/non-action was a
> disastrous mistake. And Stalin, in signing the Blood Pact with Nazi
> Germany, was a complete fuckin fool...even if as some suggest he was
> biding his time to build up the military when the Germans finally
> invaded. But by all accounts, Stalin was 'shocked' when the Germans
> invaded the Soviet Union and it didn't seem the Soviet Union was very
> prepared. Early on, the German advance made incredible strides and
> ultimately more Russians were killed in WWII than anybody else.
> Furthermore, if Stalin had not signed the "Blood Pact" with Nazi
> Germany Hitler would have been much more reluctant to go to war with
> the West.
>    There are 2 movies in Deutsch I would recommend you see. One is
> called "The Wansee Conference" and it is a German film. The other is
> Wolfgang Peterson's film "Das Boot".
> 
> MR
> ______________________________________________________
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message news:<3c2355ef$1_2@binaries.vphos.net>...
> > How about some photos from the destruct cities to compare.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> > =========
> > "rick"  wrote in message news:3C234876.6234@iglou.com...
> > > Kurt Knoll wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In case you don't know it anyone who is not 100 % convinced is a
> > > > Holohoax Denier.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Here are some photographs for you kurt.
> > > They are 100% convincing to everyone but a moron.
> > >
> > > Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
> > > The truth remains the same:
> > >
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/pages/t003/t00315.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/albums/palbum/p00/a0007p2.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01358.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16677.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16675.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t088/t08820.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22000.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg2/pg04270.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01362.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg5/pg04533.html
> > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg8/pg00876.html
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430129-vergasungskeller/
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430331-inventory/
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430624-inventory/
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?30
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?31
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?32
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?34
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?41
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?37
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?38
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?42
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?44
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?45
> > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?46


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Daniel Mittleman wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message news:<3c22d90a_2@binaries.vphos.net>...
> > Germany is dictated what to believe the new laws under Jewish pressure
> > clearly say so.
> > This also includes Switzerland Italy Canada and Australia. Now they are
> > working
> > on the European Union Members to do the same.
> > If some of them does not conform he will be branded as Nazi supporters.
> >
> > You can Criticize the Bible but you are allowed to question the Holocaust.
> 
> I presume that is a typo and you inadvertantly left out a "not".
> 
> It is true that in Germany and other European nations Holocaust denial
> is a crime.  I am not at all sure you can evidence a linkage between
> those laws and Jewish pressure.  But I am not at all sure I can prove
> there is no connection.
> 
> America, however, stands tall in that there is no law against
> Holocaust denial.  And while I don't particularly expect you to
> believe it, I have seen first hand that the people at both Nizkor and
> THHP have been vocal in their support for such freedoms of speech in
> both the US and Canada.

That's what McVay says? :-)))))) 

Subject: Re; Grosvenor tricks
Date: 11 Oct 1999 21:51:32 GMT
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (xxxxxx)

... Complaints to 3web.net may be worthwhile in bringing this ongoing
Grosvenor spam to an end.

Does this sound the action of a group of people in support of free
speech?

I think not!

Werner Knoll
> 
> As I recall from posts long ago in a.r, the logic is twofold:  [1] if
> we prohibit speech, even speech we believe to be wrong and hurtful,
> then it starts a slippery slope where other speech is evenually
> banned; and [2] it is much better to keep the deniers out front and
> shouting where we can keep an eye on them.  :-)
> 
> > Kurt Knoll.
> > ==========
> > "Daniel Mittleman"  wrote in message
> > news:c890e66e.0112201956.15b61a84@posting.google.com...
> > > "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> >  news:<3c215cc4_1@binaries.vphos.net>...
> > > > I wonder if the Romans were more democratic than the Jews. I do not
> > > > think there was ever a time
> > > > where histories was dictated to the people of any Nations the way the
> > > > Jews are trying to do it
> > > > world wide.
> > > >
> > > > Kurt Knoll.
> > >
> > > I think your two sentences are a non-sequitur unless you are comparing
> > > Israeli treatment of the Palestinians to Roman treatment of conquered
> > > foes.  Interesting analogy, if this is what you mean.
> > >
> > > To you wonder of history, you are being very forgetful.  Consider what
> > > the average Japanese knows of the Rape of Nanking.  Consider that the
> > > average Turk knows of the Armenian Holocaust.  Nations have been
> > > forming a view of history that fits their needs as far back as history
> > > goes.
> > >
> > > That is why we have the old saying, "history is written by the
> > > victor."
> > >
> > > Of course, all this is independent of whether the Israelis are
> > > addressing the Palestinian situation properly (I think not; your
> > > mileage may vary).  And the idea that Jews dictate to the rest of the
> > > world is lunacy and I am confident you aren't a lunatic, right?
> > >
> > > danny


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Are the Americans willing to hang that Young American who fought with Al
- Qaida?

Werner Knoll

Michael Ragland wrote:
> 
> Herr Knoll:
> 
> The sufferring which was brought on Germany was primarily the
> responsibility of Hitler and the Nazi Party. Also, government
> officials intriqued to bring Hitler to power such as Otto Messner,
> Papen, and Oscar Hindenburg. Schleicher was an incompetent and helped
> pave the way. A good book to read is called "Thirty Days to Power". I
> forgot the author but it should be available on German Amazon. Just
> type in the title.
>    Although Germany was mainly responsible for WWI the Versailles
> Treaty was not well thought out and contributed to economic disaster
> in Germany. I'm sure there are other reasons why Germany went into
> such a severe depression but I'm not an economist.
>    The reason you here more about the Holocaust than the destruction
> of German cities is because Nazi Germany waged war on other countries
> and invited its cities being bombarded just as it bombarded Britain.
> The Jews of Europe didn't invite the Germans and their accomplices to
> round them up and transport them to work and killing facilities. Yes,
> the British did want to occupy Norway but that was because they knew
> Germany was about to. It was war.
>     I'm sure you've heard of the White Rose group of young Germans in
> Nazi Germany who opposed Hitler and the Nazis. They merely distributed
> anti-Hitler literature and they were arrested, convicted, and their
> heads lopped off. Hans and Sophie and a few others. Then there was the
> Confessional Church, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Martin Niemoller, Schnieder,
> etc.
>      I would not want to live in a society which kills people just for
> speaking out against the government. Would you?
> 
> MR
> 
> 
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message news:<3c23acb8_1@binaries.vphos.net>...
> > I grew up in Nuremberg and I only seen the total destruction after I
> > returned there. What I am saying
> > for moor than 55 years we only see what the Germans did. I sit wrong to ask
> > you to show the word what you did.
> >
> > Germany was at war with America, Great Britain, Poland and Russia plus
> > France.
> > Germany was not at war with Israel since it did not exist. But it is the
> > Jews who do all the milking
> > since 1945. It is also the Jews who are opposed to Freedom of Speech if it
> > involves tire interest.
> >
> > Rumania Norway Yugoslavia and others were occupied for strategic reasons.
> > Great Britain had intention to occupied Norway but came a couple of hours
> > too late.
> > Same in North Africa were the British had the interest to block the Germans
> > of having Access.
> >
> > Art the end of world war 2 all concentration Camps were classified as death
> > camps.
> >
> > The people of Dauchau and the German people were forced to believe this when
> > in fact in Dachau
> > there were never any gassing of prisoners took place. In April 1945 when I
> > returned to Nuremberg
> > Both News papers the Nuremberg Zeitung and Nuremberg Nachrichten were
> > already und
> > Jewish American Control. The News Headlines said all 486 Wachpersonell (Camp
> > Security Guards) have been
> > killed by the inmates with Guns supplied by the Americans. I was only 12 1/2
> > Years old then but I said
> > how convenient the witnesses are now the inmates.
> >
> > I did ask at various time here on this NG how many Camp Security Guard were
> > captured at Auschwitz and how many
> > first aid nurses were captured ?. What did happen to all of them does anyone
> > have the answer ?.
> >
> > More Later
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Michael Ragland"  wrote in message
> > news:35a8d44b.0112211046.4090b994@posting.google.com...
> > > Kurt, your response to Rick, "How about some photos from the destruct
> > > cities to compare" is evasive. Since you're english isn't "perfect"
> > > that means you are not listening to what Rick is saying. If you asked
> > > Rick or me if the cities of Dresden, Berlin, etc. were bombed to
> > > smithereens I know I would say "Yes, they were." We're not denying
> > > German cities were destroyed by the Allies but you are denying the
> > > Holocaust occurred. In that sense, your "comparing" the two makes no
> > > sense and is not logical. Second, the German Nazi government under the
> > > leadership of Hitler brought on itself the Allied bombardment of
> > > German cities. Aren't you familiar with Hitler's foreign policy
> > > objectives Kurt? Early on, before he ever came to power, Hitler
> > > explicitly made clear Germany needed living space and that the
> > > solution was conquering land in the East..specifically Russia and her
> > > vassal border states. If you don't believe me Kurt I can get the
> > > quotes from Hitler from Mein Kampf. The Nazis invaded Poland Kurt.
> > > Before that they swallowed Czechoslovakia, occupied the Ruhr,
> > > disregarded the Versailles Treaty, and armed to the teeth the
> > > military. The Nazis instigated World War II. The British, French, etc.
> > > appeased Hitler to extraordinary lengths until finally appeasement no
> > > longer had any potential value. But if the leaders of Great Britain,
> > > France, the U.S., etc. had paid close attention to Hitler's foreign
> > > policy goals they would have realized appeasement/non-action was a
> > > disastrous mistake. And Stalin, in signing the Blood Pact with Nazi
> > > Germany, was a complete fuckin fool...even if as some suggest he was
> > > biding his time to build up the military when the Germans finally
> > > invaded. But by all accounts, Stalin was 'shocked' when the Germans
> > > invaded the Soviet Union and it didn't seem the Soviet Union was very
> > > prepared. Early on, the German advance made incredible strides and
> > > ultimately more Russians were killed in WWII than anybody else.
> > > Furthermore, if Stalin had not signed the "Blood Pact" with Nazi
> > > Germany Hitler would have been much more reluctant to go to war with
> > > the West.
> > >    There are 2 movies in Deutsch I would recommend you see. One is
> > > called "The Wansee Conference" and it is a German film. The other is
> > > Wolfgang Peterson's film "Das Boot".
> > >
> > > MR
> > > ______________________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> >  news:<3c2355ef$1_2@binaries.vphos.net>...
> > > > How about some photos from the destruct cities to compare.
> > > >
> > > > Kurt Knoll.
> > > > =========
> > > > "rick"  wrote in message
> >  news:3C234876.6234@iglou.com...
> > > > > Kurt Knoll wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In case you don't know it anyone who is not 100 % convinced is a
> > > > > > Holohoax Denier.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here are some photographs for you kurt.
> > > > > They are 100% convincing to everyone but a moron.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
> > > > > The truth remains the same:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/pages/t003/t00315.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/albums/palbum/p00/a0007p2.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01358.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16677.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16675.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t088/t08820.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22000.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg2/pg04270.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01362.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg5/pg04533.html
> > > > > http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg8/pg00876.html
> > > > >
> > > > > and
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430129-vergasungskeller/
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430331-inventory/
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430624-inventory/
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?30
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?31
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?32
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?34
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?41
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?37
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?38
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?42
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?44
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?45
> > > > > http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?46


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Michael Ragland wrote:
> 
> Herr Knoll:
> 
> I can't read German and you didn't provide a link. But assuming the
> information is accurate I infer war scenes in Das Boot have been
> deleted in the German version [in Germany]? Is that correct? If it is
> that's truly unfortunate but Hollywood has become more 'politically
> correct' in recent years. I don't like it. I remember seeing movies
> years ago before they were unedited and I see them today and they are
> all chopped up. A young person who has never seen the movie 'thinks'
> he or she is seeing the whole movie but they aren't.

The article was written in Februar 2001 in the Pazifische Rundschau a
Newpaper printed in Seattle W. USA It did not say what kind  of war
pictures were banned and only said that Buchheim was the author of "Das
Boot."


> 
> Let me give you an American example. When "Apocalypse Now" first aired
> at the end of the movie it showed the character played by Martin Sheen
> ordering the entire destruction of the natives who had been following
> Cornel Kurtz. Now, Apocalypse Now is a silly movie and fantasy but if
> you look at the new version of Apocalypse Now the ENTIRE scene where
> the jungle is being firebombed and the natives killed is COMPLETELY
> DELETED. I have no proof but in my opinion that was done so the movie
> would be more politically correct.
> 
> In America the released an unedited and extended version of Das Boot
> but I have not seen it. Since the movie was about a German U-Boat crew
> I don't see how one could avoid deleting all war scenes. As I recall,
> the most dramatic scene was at the end of the movie when they had left
> the submarine and were attacked and killed.
> 
> MR

I seen Das Boot some years back and was under the impression there was
nothing in it which would Glorify an war but real scenes of life drama
that live on a submarine is hell?

German people are ruled by a "Bastard" regime who is under total control
of the Americans and Jews!

When John Sack tried to publish his book "An Eye for an Eye' in German,
the untold story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans, the publisher if
this book Piper publication had too destroy 6000 copies.

Source: Dear Enemy by James Bacque and Richard Matthias Müller ISBN
1-55168-146-X

Werner Knoll
> _____________________________________________________
> 
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message news:<3C239B9A.A6994973@telus.net>...
> > Pazifische Rundschau Februar 2001 Seite 11
> >
> > Keine Kriegsbilder (No picture's about the war)
> > Der Maler und Autor des Bestseller "Das Boot", Lothar-Günther Buchheim
> > darf sein umstrittenen Kriegsbilder nun doch nicht ausstellen. Die
> > vorwürfe der Kriegsverherrlichung wies Buchheim strickt zurück.
> >
> > What it says here? Mister Bucheim the author of "Das Boot" is not
> > allowed to display pictures about the war because it would glorify the
> > war!
> >
> > You be the judge?
> >
> > Werner Knoll


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Like saying Hang them high because this is the American way?

Werner Knoll

Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Are the Americans willing to hang that Young American who fought with Al
> > - Qaida?
> >
> 
> No.  Hanging isn't the method that will be used in Federal capital
> cases, so even if he is charged with a capital crime (unlikely) and
> convicted (unlikely, if it's treason -- the constitutional
> requirements for proof are severe), he'll die from lethal injection,
> not the rope.
> 
> That said, he's probably going to jail for a couple of decades.
> 
> Did you have a point?
> --
> -------------------------------------
> There's a widow in sleepy Chester
>   Who weeps for her only son;
> There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
>   A grave that the Burmans shun,
> And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
>   Who tells how the work was done.
> -------------------------------------


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Reading the Talmud should be compulsory? Is this what you are trying to
say?

Werner Knoll

Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Translation:  Knoll, as usual, knows nothing, and needs to demonstrate that to everybody.
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Like saying Hang them high because this is the American way?
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> >


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Reading the Talmud should be compulsory? Is this what you are trying to
> > say?
> 
> No.  Let's try it again:
> 
> Your mother swims after troop ships.
> 
> --
> -------------------------------------
That would be a miracle she being 98 years old.

Now it it time for you to jump up on Ken's lap but be careful not to
piss on his trousers!

Werner Knoll


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If she were  alive, I am sure she would use a strap on you! Too bad the
Nazis could not send your parents to the ovens before you were born!

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy the expose to Joel Rosenberg,
Ken McVays lapdog

Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  writes:
> 
> > Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> > >
> > > Werner Knoll  writes:
> > >
> > > > Reading the Talmud should be compulsory? Is this what you are trying to
> > > > say?
> > >
> > > No.  Let's try it again:
> > >
> > > Your mother swims after troop ships.
> > >
> > > --
> > > -------------------------------------
> > That would be a miracle she being 98 years old.
> 
> Then why do you still have her walking the streets?
> 
> --
> -------------------------------------
> There's a widow in sleepy Chester
>   Who weeps for her only son;
> There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
>   A grave that the Burmans shun,
> And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
>   Who tells how the work was done.
> -------------------------------------


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Joel Rosenberg wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  writes:
> 
> > I think you are pre programmed in what you write. I'll bet you have an
> > answer already for my next posting before you read it.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> > ==========
> 
> Hey, it's not like there's going to be any sense in your postings,
> Kurtsie.  And it isn't like I haven't heard nazis whine before.
> 
> > "Joel Rosenberg"  wrote in message

Is Jeffrey G Brown jerking off on the corner today and let you do all
the work for nothing. Go and look for a girl with aids to get some
excitement.

How many more Lapdogs like you has Ken got on is chain?

Werner Knoll


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You forgot something to do!


Do it now!

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Subject: Re: To Werner Knoll, re Criminal Code of Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:56:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
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In article ,
Patrick Keenan  wrote:
>Sorry for top-posting...
>
>Werner, unless you have very strong documentation for your claims, you might
>want to read the rest of Telus' Acceptable Use Policy, which is what I
>clipped this from:.
>http://www.telus.net/aup.html

Mr. Knoll has no documentation whatsoever. The article has been
forwarded to Telus due to its defamatory nature, and to the RCMP with
respect to section 299 of the Criminal Code of Canada.

http://insight.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc.299.html

I have been advised to publish the following statements:

1. I am a heterosexual male.
2. I have never been charged, arrested, or convicted with
   respect to _any_ criminal offense in _any_ jurisdiction.
3. I have no association whatsoever with NAMBLA, nor have
   I ever had such an association.


-- 
 "Irving's conclusions were completely untenable. I thought his
scholarship was sloppy and unreliable and did not meet even the 
most basic requirements of honest and competent historical 
research."             (Richard Evans, Lying About Hitler, p.70) 

End

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G Brown is Ken McVay's stooge and fart. A Holocaust denier and a
Liar, Liar, Liar.


"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c260238_1@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > I see Jeffery Brown has found someone else he calls a liar.
> 
> I see that Kurtsie doesn't bother to actually read what is written. The evidence
> that Scott Bradbury is a liar and a forger is overwhelming. And there is nearly
> as much evidence that proves that Kurtsie Knoll is a liar, as well.
> 
> > But by his behavior I am not so sure if he ever wend to school.
> 
> That's a good one, coming from the imbecile who wrote this:
> 
>    "This pebble are drained in analyzing writing styles."
> 
>             -- From: "Kurt Knoll" 
>             -- Subject: Re: Dresden and Hiroshima
>             -- Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:30:23 -0800
>             -- Message-ID: <3bf80c8a_1@binaries.vphos.net>
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
> to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997


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Daniel Mittleman wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message news:<3C23FCB4.C9D801AF@telus.net>...
> > Daniel Mittleman wrote:
> [snip]


> > > America, however, stands tall in that there is no law against
> > > Holocaust denial.  And while I don't particularly expect you to
> > > believe it, I have seen first hand that the people at both Nizkor and
> > > THHP have been vocal in their support for such freedoms of speech in
> > > both the US and Canada.
> >
> > That's what McVay says? :-))))))
> >
> > Subject: Re; Grosvenor tricks
> > Date: 11 Oct 1999 21:51:32 GMT
> > From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (xxxxxx)
> >
> > ... Complaints to 3web.net may be worthwhile in bringing this ongoing
> > Grosvenor spam to an end.
> >
> > Does this sound the action of a group of people in support of free
> > speech?
> >
> > I think not!
> 
> I anticipate you may not like this answer.
> 
> I don't recall the specifics of the interaction between Grosvenor and
> McVay back in October 1999, but if McVay genuinely thought that what
> Grosvenor was posting was spam then, yes, it seems to me what McVay
> was doing was in support of free speech.
> 
> Here is my reasoning.
> 
> 1. If McVay perceived that Grosvenor was posting to a.r in a manner
> and with an intention of blocking free exchange of ideas (such as mass
> postings of repeated information to the extent it blocks out the
> ability of others to find real discourse; forged messages that confuse
> discussion by rotating posts to gibberish or mixing together other
> people's posts; or mass posting of off topic information that, again,
> blocks out the ability of others to find real discourse) then McVay
> perceived Grosvenor to be spamming.
> 
> [As I don't recall the facts in 1999, maybe you can refresh me on what
> actions by Grosvenor got McVay upset.]
> 
> I note here as a point of clarification that the reposts that McVay
> and may others on both sides of this Holocaust argument make are not
> spam.  Posts that are repeated in response to something stated or are
> repeated in occasional (weekly?) manner are intended to further
> discussion and bring newcomers up to speed.
> 
> What I am addressing in #1 are the massive missives that come in large
> bunches all at once.
> 
> 2. Spamming is bad because it infringes on the ability of others to
> speak.  Here is a lower tech analogy: we all agree that everyone
> should have the right to stand on a soapbox on the street corner and
> say whatever one wants to say as unpopular, unconventional, or noxious
> those comments might be.  Right?  And we all agree that one should be
> allowed to say it as long and as loud as one wants.  Right?
> 
> Now if someone else stands on that street corner with a siren and
> plays that siren so long and so loud that no one else can be heard, is
> the siren player exercizing free speech?  Or is that siren player
> blocking the ability of people to engage in free speech?
> 
> I suggest that latter as the siren player is not putting forward any
> intelligible information; rather he/she is simply preventing
> intelligible information from being communicated.
> 
> And I suggest that a spammer (be he on either side of this argument)
> is blocking information exchange, not exchanging information.
> 
> 3.  If McVay - or anyone else, again, on either side of the Holocaust
> argument perceives that spamming has occured it makes sense to try to
> stop it as that spamming is blocking all of our ablity to engage in
> free speech.
> 
> How then does one go about stopping spam?  If the provider of the
> internet connection (or the provider of the siren) does not permit
> spamming behavior in the user contract, then the spammer has
> potentially broken the contract.  If one of us (again, on either side
> of the argument) thinks spam has occurred, it is reasonable to take
> this issue to the internet provider.
> 
> 4. You might ask two questions that I can think of.  One, is this
> censorship?  And, two, who is McVay to decide what is spam?
> 
> In answer to two, it is not for McVay to decide what is spam.  But he
> is entitled to his opinion.  And if he thinks something is spam and,
> therefore, thinks it is blocking exchange of information, it is
> reasonable for him to take that opinion to the "spammer's" internet
> provider.  It is the provider - the entity the maybe spammer has a
> contract with who will decide whether the contract has been broken (in
> their opinion) what what remedy they will take.  Different providers
> have different ways of resolving such situations, as I am sure you
> know.

And some providers will cave in to the demand by powerful organizations!


> 
> In answer to one, it is not censorship in that the "spammer" is not
> prevented from participating on the internet by McVay - or whomever
> brings a complaint.  The "spammer" is only limited by the contractual
> agreement he has made with his provider.  And if the "spammer" has
> broken the contract and loses his access via that provider, there is
> nothing to prevent that "spammer" from getting an account with another
> provider or PAYING FOR A MORE DIRECT UPSTREAM INTERNET CONNECTION
> HIMSELF.
> 
> 5. One other vital point here.  In the logic laid out above, it
> doesn't matter whether McVay is correct or incorrect in his
> interpretation of whether Grosvenor was spamming.  It all still holds.
>  It is up to the provider to determine whether Grosvenor has violated
> the provider contract.
> 
> What remedies does Grosvenor have if McVay keeps going after him
> claiming he is a spammer if he is not?  Well, if McVay keeps making
> false claims against Grosvenor (and again, I don't recall the issue in
> 1999 so I don't know whether the claims were true or false) then
> Grosvenor could probably sue McVay either for harrassment or for
> slander.  That would be the remedy.
> 
> ----
> 
> Anyway, I suspect you may not like my answer.  But as someone who
> engages in information exchange in this forum I at least hope you
> appreciate actions taken to try to keep the forum open for construcive
> interaction.
> 
> danny

You made some good points here, However it is McVay who says he is for
freedom of speech and he calls himself an libertarian who is encouraging
others by  his writing to do the dirty work for him to get somebody out
of his way and that is my point.



Werner Knoll


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3c26b894_2@binaries.vphos.net...
> 

> > > > note. Tell me how
> > > > much money is left over of the Holocaust extortion money for the
> Jehovah
> > > > Witnesses.
> > >
> > > You really don't know a thing about the subject matter, do you?
> > >
> > > That doesn't stop you from lying about it though, does it.
> > >
> > > What a disgrace you are to your native and adopted countries.
> 
> > Tell me how  much money is left over of the Holocaust extortion money for
> > the Jehovah
> > Witnesses.
> 
> What extortion money would that be?
> 
> Do you hate members of the Jehovah's Witness as well?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

He is asking you how much compensation Jehovah witnesses were getting...
If any money at all because the made no business out of they suffering
like your Jewish friends!

Werner Knoll

***********************************************************
Author: Gary Schindler.
German court says no to slave-laborers.
Vancouver Province Thursday, November 6 1997
Bonn: twenty-two former slaves - laborers who toiled in an Auschwitz
munitions factory under Nazi guard are not entitled to back wages from
the German government, a Bonn court ruled yesterday. In a blow to
thousands of other survivors of Nazi forced labor.

Judge Heinz Sonnenberg said German law excludes payment for
slave-laborers that the government as already paid compensation.

Although Germany has awarded tens of billions of dollars worth of
reparations to Nazi victims, it has refused to honor wage claims by
slave-laborers, which were technically working for private companies.

The 22 plaintiffs were forced to work 12-hour shifts at a munitions
factory while interned at the Auschwitz death camp from 1943 to 1945.
All plaintiffs were Jewish, and most were Polish citizens.

Two of the Auschwitz survivors have died since opened in 1992. The
surviving plaintiffs, all women, are older than 70. Most live in Israel.

Their lawyers said they would appeal the decision. "The Government's
interest has been to let things take care of themselves naturally - by
death," charged lawyer Annekathrin Keller.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Deutsche Presse, Mittwoch, 13. Oktober 1999 page 6

Million dollars swindle on Israeli pensioners.
Hamburg / Jerusalem (dpa) About 1 million in pension benefits earmarked
for Israeli pensioners ended up in private hands.

According to Israeli news reports. Israeli lawyers, Israel Perry in Tel
Aviv and Arad Ajalon have been charged with fraud.

The whole affair started when German Israeli pensioners were entitled to
a pension agreement in 1980.

Israeli pensioners were permitted to buy themselves retroactively into
the German pension plan, put moneymakers in Israel and Germany used this
people to fill their own pockets. 

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Pazifische Rundschau
Page 2 Panorama January 4, 1999

Commentary by Charles Krauthammer -Washington Post

"The Holocaust Scandal"

The pursuit of billions in Holocaust guild money has gone from the
unseemly to the disgraceful. What began as an attempt to locate actual
confiscated Swiss bank accounts of individual Holocaust victims has
turned into a treasure hunt for hungry tort lawyers and major Jewish
organizations.

It all started with the $1.25 billion that the Swiss banks paid in
settlement of Holocaust claims. That opened the floodgates. As
chronicled by Barry Meier in the Nov. 29 New York Times, it has spurred
personal injury lawyers, class-action specialists and major Jewish demos
to seek similar bounties from banks (unredeemed accounts), insurers
(Unpaid death benefits) and manufacturers (uncompensated forced labor)
Throughout Europe.

What is wrong with that? What's wrong that there are few survivors left
who will actually benefit from this money transfer. It is late, very
late for this kind of restitution. The war ended 53 years ago. Instead,
what is happening is that lawyers and community bureaucrats will reap
the power and payoff that comes from collecting in the name of those
whose names are forever lost. The risk xxx to borrow a phrase from A?
Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, "an industry to be made on the
memory of victims."

…. But contingency fees? Class action suits? Fishing for aged Jews from
whom they can make a killing? The lawyers crisscross Europe in search of
ever-richer settlements to extract from any institution - and oh, there
are many - with a tainted World War II past.

Is this what honoring the Holocaust has come to? A shake down of Swiss
banks, Austrian industry, and German Auto makers - the list grows daily
- that recalls the worse of racial hustling and class action opportunism
in the United States?
= = = = = = = = = = = = =

$5-billion Nazi fund in works.
Vancouver Province Wednesday, May 17, 2000
New York - Germany and its companies accepted moral responsibilities for
Nazi war crimes, including the use of slave and forced laborers and the
theft of Jewish property, under an historic $5 billion - US accord that
aims to finally resolve these issues.

A May 12 draft agreement, given to Reuters yesterday by one of the
people who helped negotiate the accord, commits Germany and its
companies to splitting the cost of the fund in return for U.S.
guarantees that the will not face anymore claims from Holocaust
survivors.

 "The participants asked not to be named."

Spokesmen for the top U.S. negotiator on Holocaust compensation, Deputy
Finance Minister Stuart Eizenstat, and Germany's ambassador to the U.S.
were not immediately available for comment.

Swiss banks in 1998 reached a landmark $1.3 billion accord with
Holocaust survivors who had charged they were blocked from withdrawing
their money after the Second World War, but the agreement with Germany
is expected to dwarf other compensation pacts for Holocaust families.

About 240,000 Jews and East Europeans should get payments from the
German fund by the end of the year, but no time timetable was specified
in the accord.

The bilateral agreement was expected to be signed June 2 in Berlin by
U.S President Clinton and Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder.

End


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Your reply to Ken McVay sound like  a love affair to me.

Werner Knoll

Michael Ragland wrote:
> 
> I agree with every world you wrote. But HEY..that's expected. Afterall
> I'm a "NIZKORITE" and a lackey of McVay. I noticed Knoll's thinking
> regarding this subject early on and Mr. Mittleman excellently
> responded to Knoll. The question is will Herr Knoll appreciate your
> points, let alone be able to comprehend them? I think I know the
> answer. Mr. Knoll and other Nazis will have to "live with it" but
> we're going to have to stick around to attempt to insure they don't
> "destroy it". Just out of curiousity, do other revisionists accept the
> concept of so-called free speech which Mr. Knoll does as outlined by
> Mr. McVay? I will give Kurt "credit". He doesn't pussyfoot around and
> play semantic games. He lays out bluntly and crudely what he thinks
> "free speech" is (even if he doesn't realize it or care)....and that
> is in Mr. McVays' words, "Mr. Knoll's idea of "free speech" is not
> based on law,
> be it contract, civil or criminal, but rather on the idea expressed by
> the individual, and the identity and philosophy of the individual in
> question." Incredibly primitive. And dangerous.
> 
> MR
> ______________________________________________________
> 
> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote in message news:...
> > What Mr. Knoll appears to be suggesting, by holding my comment that
> > one should complain to an ISP about SPAM represents an attack upon
> > free speech, is, in fact, an assertion that Mr. Knoll's concept of
> > "free speech" is this:
> >
> > Mr. Knoll can do as he pleases.
> > Mr. Grosvenor can do as he pleases.
> > Any Nazi asshole can do as _he_ pleases.
> >
> > All of these things, in Mr. Knoll's mind, are simply expressions of
> > "free speech."
> >
> > I, however, cannot complain about Mr. Knoll, regardless of whether or
> > not Mr. Knoll violates the law, be it civil or criminal, and I cannot
> > complain to Mr. Knoll's service provider, or the service provider of
> > any Nazi asshole, should Mr. Knoll or some other person I oppose
> > violate that ISPs Acceptable Use Policy.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thus it is ok for Mr. Knoll to libel and defame with impunity, but not
> > ok for his intended victim to take umbrage and respond legally.
> >
> > In what passes for a mind in Family Knoll, free speech means the right
> > to libel with impunity - indeed, it means the right to do anything,
> > and say anything, with impunity. It also means that those who take
> > umbrage have absolutely no right to respond.
> >
> > Hitler would certainly approve of Mr. Knoll's "free speech."
> >
> > Thus it is ok for Mr. Grosvenor to violate the AUP of provider after
> > provider, but it is not ok for anyone to point this fact out to the
> > provider being victimized. That, in Mr. Knoll's fevered imagination,
> > would be a "violation of Mr. Grosvenor's right to speak freely."
> >
> > Mr. Knoll's concept of free speech, clearly, precludes my complaining
> > about anything to anyone, regardless of provocation.
> >
> > Mr. Knoll seems to suggest that while Mr. Grosvenor has the right to
> > openly thumb his nose at the very contract he entered into when he
> > opened an Internet account, but no one else has the right to complain
> > - or even SUGGEST that someone complain. In fact, I submit that Mr.
> > Knoll's idea of free speech also means that the ISP himself has
> > absolutely no right to complain, no matter how obnoxious Mr.
> > Grosvenor's contract violations may be.
> >
> > In that respect, Mr. Knoll marches lock step with other extremist
> > elements on the net. "Kanuk," for instance, who posts in Canadian
> > newsgroups, and spills tears over the oppression of Palestinians while
> > pimping for an organization that calls for the ethnic cleansing of the
> > North American continent, or complains about "Jewish control of the
> > media" while promulgating the philosophy of the National Alliance,
> > which openly calls for widespread and oppressive censorship of the
> > arts and the media.
> >
> > Free speech, Mr. Knoll, means that when you libel someone, they have
> > the absolute right to sue for damages, and, if the case warrants,
> > bring charges against you for defamatory libel.
> >
> > It does NOT, however, mean that you and your bigoted associates -
> > folks like William Grosvenor - can break the law with impunity.
> >
> > Live with it.


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Nazi sympathizers in the Hitler time reported their next door neighbor
if he happens to be a Jew to higher authority too!

You would have been the right man for the Gestapo!

Werner Knoll

"Kenneth McVay, OBC" wrote:
> 
> What Mr. Knoll appears to be suggesting, by holding my comment that
> one should complain to an ISP about SPAM represents an attack upon
> free speech, is, in fact, an assertion that Mr. Knoll's concept of
> "free speech" is this:
> 
> Mr. Knoll can do as he pleases.
> Mr. Grosvenor can do as he pleases.
> Any Nazi asshole can do as _he_ pleases.
> 
> All of these things, in Mr. Knoll's mind, are simply expressions of
> "free speech."
> 
> I, however, cannot complain about Mr. Knoll, regardless of whether or
> not Mr. Knoll violates the law, be it civil or criminal, and I cannot
> complain to Mr. Knoll's service provider, or the service provider of
> any Nazi asshole, should Mr. Knoll or some other person I oppose
> violate that ISPs Acceptable Use Policy.
> 
> In other words, Mr. Knoll's idea of "free speech" is not based on law,
> be it contract, civil or criminal, but rather on the idea expressed by
> the individual, and the identity and philosophy of the individual in
> question.
> 
> Thus it is ok for Mr. Knoll to libel and defame with impunity, but not
> ok for his intended victim to take umbrage and respond legally.
> 
> In what passes for a mind in Family Knoll, free speech means the right
> to libel with impunity - indeed, it means the right to do anything,
> and say anything, with impunity. It also means that those who take
> umbrage have absolutely no right to respond.
> 
> Hitler would certainly approve of Mr. Knoll's "free speech."
> 
> Thus it is ok for Mr. Grosvenor to violate the AUP of provider after
> provider, but it is not ok for anyone to point this fact out to the
> provider being victimized. That, in Mr. Knoll's fevered imagination,
> would be a "violation of Mr. Grosvenor's right to speak freely."
> 
> Mr. Knoll's concept of free speech, clearly, precludes my complaining
> about anything to anyone, regardless of provocation.
> 
> Mr. Knoll seems to suggest that while Mr. Grosvenor has the right to
> openly thumb his nose at the very contract he entered into when he
> opened an Internet account, but no one else has the right to complain
> - or even SUGGEST that someone complain. In fact, I submit that Mr.
> Knoll's idea of free speech also means that the ISP himself has
> absolutely no right to complain, no matter how obnoxious Mr.
> Grosvenor's contract violations may be.
> 
> In that respect, Mr. Knoll marches lock step with other extremist
> elements on the net. "Kanuk," for instance, who posts in Canadian
> newsgroups, and spills tears over the oppression of Palestinians while
> pimping for an organization that calls for the ethnic cleansing of the
> North American continent, or complains about "Jewish control of the
> media" while promulgating the philosophy of the National Alliance,
> which openly calls for widespread and oppressive censorship of the
> arts and the media.
> 
> Free speech, Mr. Knoll, means that when you libel someone, they have
> the absolute right to sue for damages, and, if the case warrants,
> bring charges against you for defamatory libel.
> 
> It does NOT, however, mean that you and your bigoted associates -
> folks like William Grosvenor - can break the law with impunity.
> 
> Live with it.
> 
> --
> IBM and the Holocaust: The Strategic Alliance between Nazi Germany
>     and America's Most Powerful Corporation, by Edwin Black
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0609607995/thenizkorproject/
>              The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C2762DC.A272F5C7@telus.net>, Werner Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > Nazi sympathizers in the Hitler time reported their next door neighbor
> > if he happens to be a Jew to higher authority too!
> 
> Irrelevant. Libel laws clearly give individuals the right to take action
> agaionst those who libel them.

It does. So what and who is taking advantage of this laws?

People like Ken McVay!

We had a saying for people like Ken McVay in Germany... "Der größte
Schuft im ganzen Land ist der Denunziant."

The biggest Scoundrel in the whole country is an Informer! Ken McVay
certainly qualifies for this title!



> 
> You, Werner Knoll, have been actively libelling other participants in this forum.
> 
> If you find the libel laws of the country you reside in to be inconvenient, you
> are free to leave. So long as you stay, you are expected and required to obey
> those laws.
> 
> Get that through your useless skull, old fool.
> 
> JGB
> 

Whose law is it and who was instrumental for creating this laws?

The Province Friday, December 15 2000

Page A33
Court zaps Zundel's appeal.

"The now have no basis for more crap against me," said Zundel. Their
phony stories based on concocted phony stories by  CSIS are now moot."
It is my understanding the CSIS labeled him as a thread to Canada's
security.

In whose pocket is Canada's SIRC  Security Intelligence Review
Committee?

Let me know after you figure it out!

Werner Knoll
"Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful"
Friedrich Nietzsche


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Daniel Mittleman wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message news:<3C26AB9B.3DC12353@telus.net>...
> 
> > You made some good points here, However it is McVay who says he is for
> > freedom of speech and he calls himself an libertarian who is encouraging
> > others by  his writing to do the dirty work for him to get somebody out
> > of his way and that is my point.
> 
> Thanks.  I appreciate that you provided me with a civil and thoughtful
> response to my post.  [I responded to MR' post before reading this.]
> 
> One interesting contradiction about McVay.
> 
> If McVay is in league with powerful forces in society ( and I have
> read terms of endearment for him much worse than "in league with")
> then it seems to me that he would have little trouble spreading his
> message via many media, not only in alt.revisionism.  He might have
> access to TV, radio, newspaper - and to an extent he seems to.  He
> might get invited to make lots of speeches and presentations, and the
> speaking schedule he has posted on this website indicates that he
> does.
> 
> So, what then, do you think is his motivation for keeping a.r open for
> discussion?

Lets look at it this way:

***********************************************
Subject:  Re: Antisemitic myths
Date: 
Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:42 GMT
From: dont@spam.me.spammer (Albino Protester)
Organization: 
Shaw Residential Internet
Newsgroups: 
alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics, van.general
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7



In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net
says...

**********************************************
Albion posts in the above newsgroups and McVay does not like what is
written. See what happen next:

He removes van.general to make room for alt.revisionism and uses
Followup-To: alt.revisionism where boys like Jeffrey G. Brown are
avail's him selves to end it all

*******************************************

Subject: Removal of tattoo'd skin
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:14:42 +0000 (UTC)
From:  kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
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alt.revisionism
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In article ,
Albino Protester  wrote:
>In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net says...

>>They skinned prisoners with interesting tattoos and sold
>>      them as book covers, gloves, luggage and lamp shades.

****************************************************************

>
> 
> If you are thinking of answering that he doesn't do that - that he
> goes after everyone in opposition to him and tries to censor them all,
> then look closely at who he has and has not gone after.  There are
> many anti-semetic, denier, or neo-Nazi posters over the years in a.r
> whom he has never taken action to try to get bumped by their ISPs.
> His actions, I think you will find if you look closely, are limited to
> those who take actions that, in his opinion, either violate libel laws
> or ISP agreements (usually by spamming).
> 
> By restricting the abilities of these guys from posting, he is keeping
> the airwaves open for other anti-semites, deniers, and neo-nazis so
> that their posts actually get read.
> 
> I don't know Ken McVay very well, but I do know that he is well aware
> of this outcome and continues anyway in his behavior.  Now, why do you
> think this is?
> 
> Could be he is a closet nazi; not very likely.
> Or it could be that he genuinely believes in the value of free and
> open speech.
> 
> By the way, I do too.  And I would fight very hard for your right to
> say most anything you want here as long as you don't violate the law
> (and I would oppose any law that limited one's right to deny the
> Holocaust) or engage in spamming that acually diminishes this forum as
> a medium of free and open speech.
> 
> danny

Ken McVay is doing a disservice to many Jews who like to bring closure
to the past. His very actions contribute to hate against Jewish
organization's and I can never understand why Jewish organizations will
support a men like him.

Werner Knoll
"Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful'
Friedrich Nietsche


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Joe Bruno wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message news:<3C27A527.42C7634E@telus.net>...
> > Daniel Mittleman wrote:
> > >
> > > Werner Knoll  wrote in message news:<3C26AB9B.3DC12353@telus.net>...

> > > So, what then, do you think is his motivation for keeping a.r open for
> > > discussion?
> >
> > Lets look at it this way:
> >
> > ***********************************************
> > Subject:  Re: Antisemitic myths
> > Date:
> > Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:42 GMT
> > From: dont@spam.me.spammer (Albino Protester)
> > Organization:
> > Shaw Residential Internet
> > Newsgroups:
> > alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics, van.general
> > References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net
> > says...
> >
> > **********************************************
> > Albion posts in the above newsgroups and McVay does not like what is
> > written. See what happen next:
> >
> > He removes van.general to make room for alt.revisionism and uses
> > Followup-To: alt.revisionism where boys like Jeffrey G. Brown are
> > avail's him selves to end it all
> >
> > *******************************************
> >
> > Subject: Removal of tattoo'd skin
> > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:14:42 +0000 (UTC)
> > From:  kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
> > Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
> > Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
> > Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
> > alt.revisionism
> > Followup-To: alt.revisionism
> > References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In article ,
> > Albino Protester  wrote:
> > >In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net says...
> >
> > >>They skinned prisoners with interesting tattoos and sold
> > >>      them as book covers, gloves, luggage and lamp shades.
> >
> > ****************************************************************

> > >
> > > By the way, I do too.  And I would fight very hard for your right to
> > > say most anything you want here as long as you don't violate the law
> > > (and I would oppose any law that limited one's right to deny the
> > > Holocaust) or engage in spamming that acually diminishes this forum as
> > > a medium of free and open speech.
> > >
> > > danny
> > > Friedrich Nietsche
> 
> Nicht wahr?

Here it is again

"Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful'
Friedrich Nietsche

Now tell me why I should trust people who are out on an power trip?

Werner Knoll


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If there are no escape holes in the truck, how long will it take to
create enough back pressure to stall the engine?

Is the killing going to be done while driving or after the truck stopped
at his destination?

Why did the waste all this fuel when the had not enough to keep the
tanks running?

Werner Knoll

T C wrote:
> 
> Plugging the exhaust kills the engine from back pressure, filling the
> back of the van provides enough volume to avoid that result. Stop trying
> to act educated, you're just a hate monger who denies genocide and a n
> intellectual midget.
> 
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> 
> > Don't forget to visit the Mauthausen and daniel Kerens web site.
> >
> > Very Interesting.
> > In Mauthausen the drove 10 Kilometer each way to gas the prisoners. Must
> > have
> > been a hell of a job hey.
> >
> > The only problem I have is believing it. Every mechanic will tell you if you
> > plug the tailpipe
> > exhaust The engine will stop running. If you connect the exhaust gas to the
> > rear
> > of the van
> > and connect it to the inside ?. The if then cabin gets full the engine wall
> > also
> > stop running.
> >
> > So how did they make the rest of the 10 Miles ?.
> >
> > The Holocaust and Holocaust Soap are Trademarks of the Holocaust Industries
> > Unlimited.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> >
> > "rick"  wrote in message news:3C234876.6234@iglou.com...
> >
> >> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> >>
> >>> In case you don't know it anyone who is not 100 % convinced is a
> >>> Holohoax Denier.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Here are some photographs for you kurt.
> >> They are 100% convincing to everyone but a moron.
> >>
> >> Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
> >> The truth remains the same:
> >>
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/pages/t003/t00315.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/albums/palbum/p00/a0007p2.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01358.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16677.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16675.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t088/t08820.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22000.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg2/pg04270.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01362.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg5/pg04533.html
> >> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg8/pg00876.html
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430129-vergasungskeller/
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430331-inventory/
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430624-inventory/
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?30
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?31
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?32
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?34
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?41
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?37
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?38
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?42
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?44
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?45
> >> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?46


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You claim to be the expert on back pressure and I like to know more
about it? While you at it... Explain to me how the Nazis made soap from
Jewish victims. Will you?


Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into a shield
against criticism!
Doug Collins

T C wrote:
> 
> The NAZIs even documented these procedures, it was before they were that
> low on fuel. Get an education instead of defending the enemies of all
> humanity.
> 
> Werner Knoll wrote:
> 
> > If there are no escape holes in the truck, how long will it take to
> > create enough back pressure to stall the engine?
> >
> > Is the killing going to be done while driving or after the truck stopped
> > at his destination?
> >
> > Why did the waste all this fuel when the had not enough to keep the
> > tanks running?
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> >
> > T C wrote:
> >
> >> Plugging the exhaust kills the engine from back pressure, filling the
> >> back of the van provides enough volume to avoid that result. Stop trying
> >> to act educated, you're just a hate monger who denies genocide and a n
> >> intellectual midget.
> >>
> >> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Don't forget to visit the Mauthausen and daniel Kerens web site.
> >>>
> >>> Very Interesting.
> >>> In Mauthausen the drove 10 Kilometer each way to gas the prisoners. Must
> >>> have
> >>> been a hell of a job hey.
> >>>
> >>> The only problem I have is believing it. Every mechanic will tell you if you
> >>> plug the tailpipe
> >>> exhaust The engine will stop running. If you connect the exhaust gas to the
> >>> rear
> >>> of the van
> >>> and connect it to the inside ?. The if then cabin gets full the engine wall
> >>> also
> >>> stop running.
> >>>
> >>> So how did they make the rest of the 10 Miles ?.
> >>>
> >>> The Holocaust and Holocaust Soap are Trademarks of the Holocaust Industries
> >>> Unlimited.
> >>>
> >>> Kurt Knoll.
> >>>
> >>> "rick"  wrote in message news:3C234876.6234@iglou.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> In case you don't know it anyone who is not 100 % convinced is a
> >>>>> Holohoax Denier.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Here are some photographs for you kurt.
> >>>> They are 100% convincing to everyone but a moron.
> >>>>
> >>>> Denial of of the truth does not make it go away.
> >>>> The truth remains the same:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/pages/t003/t00315.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.org/albums/palbum/p00/a0007p2.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01358.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16677.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg16/pg6/pg16675.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t088/t08820.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg22/pg0/pg22000.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg2/pg04270.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg01/pg3/pg01362.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg5/pg04533.html
> >>>> http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg8/pg00876.html
> >>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/chemistry/iffr/
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430129-vergasungskeller/
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430331-inventory/
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/19430624-inventory/
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?30
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?31
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?32
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?34
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?41
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?37
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?38
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?42
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?44
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?45
> >>>> http://www.holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/photo.cgi?46
> >>>


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c28c03c$1_1@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > Maybe the Americans  find out he has been death for some time. This would
> > then make the latest Bin Laden Video a real hoax.
> 
> Why is that, imbecile? Do you even know when the tape was recorded?
> 
> Of course not. Like all bigots, you revel in your own ignorance.
> 
> JGB
> 

Not before 9/11/2001 

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown Ken McVay's fart and stooge!


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An how did they make soap from Jewish victims? What kind of fat did they
use from what part of the body? And how about your expertise with back
pressure?

Werner Knoll

T C wrote:
> 
> I don't have time to teach you basic chemistry and physics, soap is fat
> and lye, fat from rendering. Get a high school education before you try
> correcting people again.
> 
> Werner Knoll wrote:
> 
> > You claim to be the expert on back pressure and I like to know more
> > about it? While you at it... Explain to me how the Nazis made soap from
> > Jewish victims. Will you?
> >
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> > Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into a shield
> > against criticism!
> > Doug Collins
> >
> > T C wrote:
> >
> >> The NAZIs even documented these procedures, it was before they were that
> >> low on fuel. Get an education instead of defending the enemies of all
> >> humanity.
> >>


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Joe Bruno wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message news:<3C27F35A.7AD153E3@telus.net>...
> > Joe Bruno wrote:
> > >



> > > > >
> > > > > By the way, I do too.  And I would fight very hard for your right to
> > > > > say most anything you want here as long as you don't violate the law
> > > > > (and I would oppose any law that limited one's right to deny the
> > > > > Holocaust) or engage in spamming that acually diminishes this forum as
> > > > > a medium of free and open speech.
> > > > >
> > > > > danny
> > > > > Friedrich Nietsche
> > >
> > > Nicht wahr?
> >
> > Here it is again
> >
> > "Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful'
> > Friedrich Nietsche
> >
> > Now tell me why I should trust people who are out on an power trip?
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> 
> >>Where did I say you should trust anyone? Quoting Nietsche to me is a
> waste of time. Are you aware that many people don't share your
> admiration for Nietsche? Personally, I place him in the same basket as
> the Marquis de Sade.
> 
> Joe Bruno

Nietsche seems to be saying: "Do nut trust people in power?" I do have
to agree with him.

Werner Knoll


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Daniel Mittleman wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message news:<3C27A527.42C7634E@telus.net>...
> > Daniel Mittleman wrote:

> > > So, what then, do you think is his motivation for keeping a.r open for
> > > discussion?
> >
> > Lets look at it this way:
> >
> > ***********************************************
> > Subject:  Re: Antisemitic myths
> > Date:
> > Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:42 GMT
> > From: dont@spam.me.spammer (Albino Protester)
> > Organization:
> > Shaw Residential Internet
> > Newsgroups:
> > alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics, van.general
> > References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net
> > says...
> >
> > **********************************************
> > Albion posts in the above newsgroups and McVay does not like what is
> > written. See what happen next:
> >
> > He removes van.general to make room for alt.revisionism and uses
> > Followup-To: alt.revisionism where boys like Jeffrey G. Brown are
> > avail's him selves to end it all
> 
> Let me try to understand what it is you are upset about his posting
> behavior in the example above.
> 
> Albino posted a comment to four newsgroups.  McVay responded to that
> comment in three of the four newsgroups.  He removed one group and
> added another group.  And he wrote a response.  And he also set
> "Followups to:"
> 
> As far as I can tell from the headers and your description, that is
> what happened.
> 
> You are upset because he dropped a group the original poster sent to,
> and he set follow ups to a group where lots of his homeboys (my word)
> also post - and were you also post.

Why should I be upset? I question his motives for doing so? Could it be
that he does not like what is posted in the other groups and is trying
to bring this discussion to an end?


> 
> It is a tactic for managing the forum of debate.  But he hasn't
> cancelled the original post in van.general; Albino is free to respond
> in van.general or anywhere else - though Albino must notice that
> followups were set.

Not so...  For instant if Albion has posted in van.general, he would not
see McVays reply because van.general was removed from it. If you or I
were to post from alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
Yours or my posting would be send to alt.revisionism only, unless you
insert this other news groups into your reply again.

Yo will have noticed that I set Followup-To: alt revisionism when I
correspond with Jeffrey G Brown because Brown is in alt.revisionism
because Ken likes me to be there too.:-)))

> 
> I see all this as tactical, maybe a bit sneaky, but certainly not
> censorship of unfair game playing.  And it is something that anyone on
> anyside of a debate can do in usenet (though some news readers are
> more flexible than others.)
> 
> Can you explain to me what you see as unfair or anti-free speech in
> McVay's actions in this example?

Like I wrote before Ken McVay likes freedom of speech but only under his
guardianship?
> 
> > *******************************************
> >
> > Subject: Removal of tattoo'd skin
> > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:14:42 +0000 (UTC)
> > From:  kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
> > Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
> > Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
> > Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
> > alt.revisionism
> > Followup-To: alt.revisionism
> > References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In article ,
> > Albino Protester  wrote:
> > >In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net says...

> > ****************************************************************


> > > By the way, I do too.  And I would fight very hard for your right to
> > > say most anything you want here as long as you don't violate the law
> > > (and I would oppose any law that limited one's right to deny the
> > > Holocaust) or engage in spamming that acually diminishes this forum as
> > > a medium of free and open speech.
> > >
> > > danny
> >
> > Ken McVay is doing a disservice to many Jews who like to bring closure
> > to the past. His very actions contribute to hate against Jewish
> > organization's and I can never understand why Jewish organizations will
> > support a men like him.
> 
> I don't know any of the people in the Canadian Bnai Brith or any other
> Jewish organization that McVay has worked with (full disclosure: I
> have met some of the Nizkor and THHP people, but they are Jewish orgs
> like Bnai Brith is) so I can't say why they would disagree with your
> analysis that McVay is a disservice.

Perhaps they are short sighted?
> 
> Am not at all sure that most of the Jewish community wants to bring
> closure to the Holocaust (I presume that is what you mean by the
> past).  In fact, many times in a.r I have read deniers refer to the
> "Holohoax Industry" and suggest that Jews want nothing more than to
> keep the past alive.  The truth, I suspect, is somewhere in between
> those two viewpoints.

Their action points that way?

> 
> It is possible that McVay's actions - and the actions of others
> similar to his - contribute to hate against Jewish organizations.  But
> it wouldn't surprise me (I have no data to support this assertion)
> that many of those who hate Jewish organizations would do so with or
> without McVay's intervention.

True.

> 
> On the other side of the coin, McVay - and those like him - are active
> in speading the story of neo-nazi, denier, and anti-semetic internet
> activity.  Such "education" does two things.  One, it sensitizes the
> general public to what is going on on the internet, and two, it helps
> to raise money.

And to get their point across, the include people who ask legitimate
questions to be sure they stop asking questions?

> 
> I have no idea what McVay's finances are, but I would not be at all
> surprised if his activities bring more money into the pot he cares
> about than he spends - or receives.
> 
> So, that would be my guess why the Jewish organizations either
> tolerate or appreciate him.
> 
> danny

His financial affairs are his business.

Werner Knoll


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Daniel Mittleman wrote:
> 
> One other point in addition to my last message.
> 
> Maybe I am speaking out of school here, but I am very amused by this.
> As I was saying, McVay gives talks and I suspect that this helps
> Jewish organizations raise money.
> 
> What is most amusing to me (I have seen him speak before) is that he
> brings in usenet posts from people like you, Kurt, and reads them to
> the groups he speaks to.  At some point after the talk, McVay's hosts
> sometimes ask for contributions.
> 
> The most vulgar and blatant anti-semetic remarks are the ones that
> help bring in the most money.

That is the way it works

> 
> So in an amusing way, the more vile the comments that you and your
> colleagues make, the more money Jewish organizations raise.

Religion and Politics work that way

> 
> Maybe they should be giving you a commission  :-)
> 
> danny


I like that one.

I had a boss who one time gave me shit... On of my colleges say's "Look"
Fontain is after Werner today again with a grin on his face.

Good I said... You guys should be thanking me for keeping him of your
back!

Werner Knoll


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Sage_b wrote:
> 
> Actually, it's how you interprete Hebrew from the whole schmir.
> 
> Think of the Talmud as a codebook with the ability to read Hebrew as
> the ring decoder.
> 
> The secret word YHWH is actually "elohim".
> 
> It all begins there.
> --
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message news:<3C24178A.F5FF8993@telus.net>...
> > Reading the Talmud should be compulsory? Is this what you are trying to
> > say?
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> >
> > Joel Rosenberg wrote:

And this code book is in Jewish hands to do whatever they like to do?

Werner Knoll


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T C wrote:
> 
>   My grounding has always been in science, I screen for bias
> automatically. You are both intellectually and ethically inferior. You
> are proud of your choice to sell your humanity, go communicate with your
> own kind and leave humans alone.

T C a member of the Jewish Master race? Must be your back pressure
building up? Start lubricating your anus with Jewish soap so you can
fart again!

Werner Knoll
> 
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> 
> > Well I don't know how long you are in this news group but it did happen to
> > me and others before.
> > As for you I take you comment with a grain of salt. You did not grow up in a
> > war such as the second
> > world war. Do me you look more like a guy whose Brain is fucked up by
> > watching to many
> > Holohoax movies on the Television. Stephen Spielberg is a great guy isn't
> > he. He writes most of his
> > own scripts and even takes advice from his brethren willingly. And since
> > most Hollywood Studios
> > are owned by the Jews so it will be more like a Family affair.
> >
> > You on the other hand wend to a school where the curriculum about the
> > Holocaust has shaped
> > your head and brain where you look more like a Bagel to me right now.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> > =========
> > "T C"  wrote in message
> > news:3C2A3D4A.10300@earthlink.net...
> >
> >> Rejecting what you say doesn't mean we don't understand it, you think
> >> your ego gives you intellect, you are inferior.
> >>
> >> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> I can read your English evens it is not perfect but don't worry about
> >>
> > it.
> >
> >>> The reason why this shenanigans
> >>> will most likely make fun of you is to discourage you from posting here
> >>
> > or
> >
> >>> make you nervous.
> >>>
> >>> Just keep on writing people that want to know from more then one side
> >>
> > can
> >
> >>> read it. The ignorant
> >>> ones don't
> >>>
> >>> Kurt Knoll.
> >>> ===========
> >>> "ptolemy"  wrote in message
> >>> news:85c335c.0112261229.6c3687c9@posting.google.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> i hope your so bellicose mr jewishname when your murderer sharon is in
> >>>> the dock in belgium.
> >>>> i doubt we will ever see the day though unless the goyim wake up.
> >>>>
> >>>>  even the offical court historians will be hardpressed to keep up the
> >>>> 6 million bull figure seeing as auschwitz has changed its plaque .
> >>>> i suppose the people who run the museum would have been classified as
> >>>> deniers, if they had said that less than 4.5. million had died there
> >>>> ,just a few yrs ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> people can see the two plaques at www.heretical.org
> >>>>
> >>>> in a few yrs im sure , after the palestinians have been expelled or
> >>>> murdered , the media might let it slip out that the holohoax has been
> >>>> the greatest mass delusion in history.
> >>>>
> >>>> jews are the enemy of the ruth and of estern values.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Joel Rosenberg  wrote in message
> >>>
> >>> news:...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Nothing new to me. My two older brothers and others I knew were
> >>>>>
> > forced
> >
> >>> to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> see a movie about the German
> >>>>>> war crimes in Nuremberg. Some of the people present did recognize
> >>>>>
> > them
> >
> >>>>>> self's in the movie. The scene
> >>>>>> was about people fleeing after an air raid by the Allied. Including
> >>>>>
> > in
> >
> >>> the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> growth were also couple of Jews
> >>>>>> with a yellow star of David. But the people were made believe this
> >>>>>
> >>> were all
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> Jews.
> >>>>>> The Germans that recognized them self's and stood up and objected
> >>>>>
> > were
> >
> >>>>>> imminently Arrested by the Americans.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, good -- criminals are *supposed* to be arrested, and when they
> >>>>> are considerate enough to identify themselves, that's all to the good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These ubermenschen of yours weren't too smart, were they?
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> -------------------------------------
> >>>>> There's a widow in sleepy Chester
> >>>>>   Who weeps for her only son;
> >>>>> There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
> >>>>>   A grave that the Burmans shun,
> >>>>> And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
> >>>>>   Who tells how the work was done.
> >>>>> -------------------------------------
> >>>>


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C294634.56B9FC51@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > And to get their point across, the include people who ask legitimate
> > questions to be sure they stop asking questions?
> 
> You don't "ask legitimate questions", imbecile. You never have. All you do is
> deny, lie, deny, and lie some more -- with a little libel thrown in for good
> measure.
> 
> JGB
> 

It is a question of respect which has to be earned! That leave you out

Back to alt.revisionism where Holocaust denier's like you belong!

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish organizations seek to destroy, the expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown Ken McVays stooge and fart. Also known as a Holocaust denier.


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Now tell me about the back pressure you have? how many inches of water
is it?  10 inches of water you say? Get somebody to clean out your
exhaust system  to bring it down to 5.5 inches of water! Will you? What
is it you say? Your running an old Perkins? No wonder? Last time I
worked on them was in the sixties and seventies.

Now about Jewish soap? When was it the last time you used it?

Werner Knoll



T C wrote:
> 
> I'm not Jewish, you're subhuman and retarded.
> 
> Werner Knoll wrote:
> 
> >
> > T C wrote:
> >
> >>   My grounding has always been in science, I screen for bias
> >> automatically. You are both intellectually and ethically inferior. You
> >> are proud of your choice to sell your humanity, go communicate with your
> >> own kind and leave humans alone.
> >
> >
> > T C a member of the Jewish Master race? Must be your back pressure
> > building up? Start lubricating your anus with Jewish soap so you can
> > fart again!
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> >
> >> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Well I don't know how long you are in this news group but it did happen to
> >>> me and others before.
> >>> As for you I take you comment with a grain of salt. You did not grow up in a
> >>> war such as the second
> >>> world war. Do me you look more like a guy whose Brain is fucked up by
> >>> watching to many
> >>> Holohoax movies on the Television. Stephen Spielberg is a great guy isn't
> >>> he. He writes most of his
> >>> own scripts and even takes advice from his brethren willingly. And since
> >>> most Hollywood Studios
> >>> are owned by the Jews so it will be more like a Family affair.
> >>>
> >>> You on the other hand wend to a school where the curriculum about the
> >>> Holocaust has shaped
> >>> your head and brain where you look more like a Bagel to me right now.
> >>>
> >>> Kurt Knoll.
> >>> =========
> >>> "T C"  wrote in message
> >>> news:3C2A3D4A.10300@earthlink.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Rejecting what you say doesn't mean we don't understand it, you think
> >>>> your ego gives you intellect, you are inferior.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I can read your English evens it is not perfect but don't worry about
> >>>>
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> The reason why this shenanigans
> >>>>> will most likely make fun of you is to discourage you from posting here
> >>>>
> >>> or
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> make you nervous.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just keep on writing people that want to know from more then one side
> >>>>
> >>> can
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> read it. The ignorant
> >>>>> ones don't
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kurt Knoll.
> >>>>> ===========
> >>>>> "ptolemy"  wrote in message
> >>>>> news:85c335c.0112261229.6c3687c9@posting.google.com...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> i hope your so bellicose mr jewishname when your murderer sharon is in
> >>>>>> the dock in belgium.
> >>>>>> i doubt we will ever see the day though unless the goyim wake up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  even the offical court historians will be hardpressed to keep up the
> >>>>>> 6 million bull figure seeing as auschwitz has changed its plaque .
> >>>>>> i suppose the people who run the museum would have been classified as
> >>>>>> deniers, if they had said that less than 4.5. million had died there
> >>>>>> ,just a few yrs ago.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> people can see the two plaques at www.heretical.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> in a few yrs im sure , after the palestinians have been expelled or
> >>>>>> murdered , the media might let it slip out that the holohoax has been
> >>>>>> the greatest mass delusion in history.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> jews are the enemy of the ruth and of estern values.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Joel Rosenberg  wrote in message
> >>>>>
> >>>>> news:...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Kurt Knoll"  writes:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nothing new to me. My two older brothers and others I knew were
> >>>>>>>
> >>> forced
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> see a movie about the German
> >>>>>>>> war crimes in Nuremberg. Some of the people present did recognize
> >>>>>>>
> >>> them
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> self's in the movie. The scene
> >>>>>>>> was about people fleeing after an air raid by the Allied. Including
> >>>>>>>
> >>> in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> growth were also couple of Jews
> >>>>>>>> with a yellow star of David. But the people were made believe this
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> were all
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jews.
> >>>>>>>> The Germans that recognized them self's and stood up and objected
> >>>>>>>
> >>> were
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> imminently Arrested by the Americans.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, good -- criminals are *supposed* to be arrested, and when they
> >>>>>>> are considerate enough to identify themselves, that's all to the good.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> These ubermenschen of yours weren't too smart, were they?
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> There's a widow in sleepy Chester
> >>>>>>>   Who weeps for her only son;
> >>>>>>> There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
> >>>>>>>   A grave that the Burmans shun,
> >>>>>>> And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
> >>>>>>>   Who tells how the work was done.
> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------
> >>>>>>


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3c2d7280_2@binaries.vphos.net...
> 


[...]

> 
> Trials of Auschwitz SS Personnel in Poland
> 
> Thanks to the work of the Polish Military Mission and the Polish government,
> at least 1,000 former members of the Auschwtiz SS were extradited to Poland
> in the years 1946-48.  On the basis of a decree promulgated on  September
> 12, 1944, special penal courts were appointed. On January 22, 1946, a
> special act appointed the Supreme National Tribunal, which was charged with
> trying the most important criminals extradited to Poland.  Between March 11
> and 29, 1947, in Warsaw, it brought to trial the camp's first commandant,
> Hoess, and from November 24 to December 16, 1947, in Krakow, it tried 40
> members of the Auschwitz SS force.
> 
> These two trials met with considerable response in Poland and worldwide,
> since they revealed the dimensions of the crime perpetrated in Auschwitz.
> Hoess and 23 defendants in the Krakow trial were sentenced to death (two of
> them were pardoned later), six received life sentences, seven were sentenced
> to 15 years in prison, and three received sentences of ten, five, and three
> years.  One SS man was acquited.
> 
> Other members of the Auschwitz SS personnel extradited to Poland were tried
> by district courts in Krakow, Wadowice, Raciborz, Cieszny, Sosnowiec,
> Gliwice, Bytom, and Katowice.  The trial records available to this author
> indicate that legal action was taken against 602 persons, of whom 590 were
> sentenced; 11 died awaiting trial, and in one case, proceedings were
> discontinued.  Death sentences were passed against six SS men and the two SS
> women supervisors (1.4 percent of all district court rulings), three SS men
> were sentenced to life in prison (0.5 percent of all rulings), six were
> acquitted  (1 percent), and the remaining defendants received sentences
> ranging from six months to 15 years in prison (97.1 percent).
> 
> ...The largest proportion of the 631 SS men convicted and sentenced by
> Polish courts were guards--426 defendants (67.5 percent).  The next largest
> group of defendants--166, or 26.3 percent--included former functionaries of
> one of the seven departments of the camp administration.  The remaining 37
> former SS men had worked for SS firms or for central offices of this
> organization operating in Auschwitz (5.9 percent).  In addition, two former
> camp commandants, Hoess and Arthur Liebehenschel, stood trial in Poland.
> 

> --
> Philip Mathews


Is this the same Rudolf Hoess whose crucial testimony was obtained by
beating the former commandant nearly to death ( note 15 ) Hoess, wife
and children were also threatened with death and deportation to Siberia?

Source: Orest TYI
Rubert Butler, Legion of Death ( England: 1983 ) pp 235 - 237; C.
Hitchens, "Whose History is it?,"" Vanity Fair ( New York ), Dec. 1993,
p. 117


Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G
Brown; Ken McVay's stooge and fart. A Holocaust denier and a Liar, Liar,
Liar.


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c2ec21b$1_2@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 

> > > Of literature, not of history.
> > >
> > > But wait, aren't you the guy who was so against university educated people,
> > > just a week or so ago?
> > >
> 
> > I still am.
> 
> Then why are you citing Faurisson, a university professor, as an authority in
> support of your ignorant views, lying shit?
> 
> > My point about Jeffery Brown is he Attacks every one.
> 
> I point out the lies and ignorance of hatemongers like you and your cretin
> brother, lying shit.
> 
> > Also Brown acts as if all who write about the Holocaust has to be approved by the Holocaust
> > Industries.
> 
> 1) I have never made any such claim. You are lying again, Kurtsie.
> 
> 2) Who are the "Holocaust Industries", imbecile? Cite a single book that has
> been approved by this imaginary entity, and demonstrate how the approval was
> given.


How about Goldhagens book "Hitlers willing Executioners and  Wilkomirski
"Fragments..."

Deutsche Presse 11. Oktober 2000

Page 15

Wilkomirski's book has been translate into 13 languages and was
recommended and given 1 price by "National Jewish Book"

On the same page it say's Jewish organizations and newspapers supported
Wilkomirskis book


> 
> Stay stupid, lying shit...
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com

He is quoting him the same way I am quoting you so people can make up
their own mind!

Are you and Patrick Keenan having a fuckorama on behalf of Nizkor today?

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy the  expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown and Patrick Keenan.


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C2E8E58.DB6ED13A@telus.net...
> >




> > > former SS men had worked for SS firms or for central offices of this
> > > organization operating in Auschwitz (5.9 percent).  In addition, two
> former
> > > camp commandants, Hoess and Arthur Liebehenschel, stood trial in Poland.
> 
> > Is this the same Rudolf Hoess whose crucial testimony was obtained by
> > beating the former commandant nearly to death ( note 15 ) Hoess, wife
> > and children were also threatened with death and deportation to Siberia?
> 
> He was not beaten anything close to death.

Not too bad you write? Beating the shit out of someone every day is not
bad as long yo do not kill him? :-)))


> 
> We know about the physical mistreatment he suffered when first captured
> because he told us about it in his 200 plus page memoir, written  months
> after his capture, and 37 years before Rupert Butler's piece of fiction.
> 
> Are you alleging a first of its kind event in history, the torturing of a
> man into writing a 200 page memoir, in which he tells of the beating his
> captors gave him, as well as expressing other opinions embarrassing to his
> captors, such as that only about 1.1 million Jews were killed, not 4
> million?

> 
> Pretty weak Werner, pretty weak.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Funny... Eichmann wrote is diary to whist being in jail?

Vancouver Province Wednesday, March 1 2000
Horror in Eichman diary...

He also wrote about the Auschwitz camp, where he witnessed the  mass
gassing of Jewish prisoners, who were killed, he says, using "carbon
monoxide." He avoids any mention of Zyclon - B, the gas his historians
believe he introduced to speed up the rate of killing in the death
camps.


Werner Knoll


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C2F4EC2.BC25BFEC@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:

> > > > Is this the same Rudolf Hoess whose crucial testimony was obtained by
> > > > beating the former commandant nearly to death ( note 15 ) Hoess, wife
> > > > and children were also threatened with death and deportation to
> Siberia?
> > >
> > > He was not beaten anything close to death.
> >
> > Not too bad you write?
> 
> No,  I wrote not beaten anything close to death. In other words I was
> pointing out that you lied.

Here it is again:
*******************************************************
Is this the same Rudolf Hoess whose crucial testimony was obtained by
beating the former commandant nearly to death ( note 15 ) Hoess, wife
and children were also threatened with death and deportation to Siberia?

Source: Orest TYI
Rubert Butler, Legion of Death ( England: 1983 ) pp 235 - 237; C.
Hitchens, "Whose History is it?,"" Vanity Fair ( New York ), Dec. 1993,
p. 117

******************************************************
Are you trying to tell me now that I lied by Quoting the exact text I
read in a newsgroups?

You must be a liar to by repeating what you were told or read about the
Holocaust!


> 
> >Beating the shit out of someone every day is not
> > bad as long yo do not kill him? :-)))
> 
> You're lying again. He wasn't beaten every day. And the beating occurred
> when he was first captured, not in a Polish prison where he wrote his
> memoir.

Where did I say that ( Someone )he was? Ask an adult what it means!

> 
> > > We know about the physical mistreatment he suffered when first captured
> > > because he told us about it in his 200 plus page memoir, written  months
> > > after his capture, and 37 years before Rupert Butler's piece of fiction.
> > >
> > > Are you alleging a first of its kind event in history, the torturing of
> a
> > > man into writing a 200 page memoir, in which he tells of the beating his
> > > captors gave him, as well as expressing other opinions embarrassing to
> his
> > > captors, such as that only about 1.1 million Jews were killed, not 4
> > > million?
> >
> > >
> > > Pretty weak Werner, pretty weak.
> 
> > Funny... Eichmann wrote is diary to whist being in jail?
> 
> No he didn't. Is there any fact about this history you aren't ignorant of or
> will not lie about?

Are you trying to tell me that he was on holidays when he wrote his
diary?

Again reading the Province:

"The diary was written between his sentencing Dec. 15, 1961, in Israel
and his execution by hanging on May 31, 1962

> 
> >
> > Vancouver Province Wednesday, March 1 2000
> > Horror in Eichman diary...
> >
> > He also wrote about the Auschwitz camp, where he witnessed the  mass
> > gassing of Jewish prisoners, who were killed, he says, using "carbon
> > monoxide."
> 
> No, he said no such thing.  He wrote of Majdanek in his memoirs.

Splitting hair again?

The headlines says: "Horrors in Eichmann diary details murder of six
million."

> 
> http://history1900s.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.p
> gonline.com%2Felectriczen%2Ftrials%2Fprofiles%2Fconfession.html
> 
> It was in the latter part of 1941 that I saw the first preparations for
> annihilating the Jews. General Heydrich ordered me to visit Maidanek, a
> Polish village near Lublin. A German police captain showed me how they had
> managed to build airtight chambers disguised as ordinary Polish farmers'
> huts, seal them hermetically, then inject the exhaust gas from a Russian
> U-boat motor. I remember it all very exactly because I never thought that
> anything like that would be possible, technically speaking.
> 
> (end quote)

That's not what the newspaper said!
> 
> >He avoids any mention of Zyclon - B, the gas his historians
> > believe he introduced to speed up the rate of killing in the death
> > camps.
> 
> And why should he mention Zyklon B? Your problem is all the people who do
> mention Zyklon B.


Because Zyklon - B is crucial to the mass murder of Jews!

Here again the Province:

"He avoids any mention of Zyklon - B, the gas historians believe he
introduced to speed up the rate of killing in the death camps."?

He had nothing to lose!



> 
> Not much better than the last attempt.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. They expose too Jeffrey G.
Brown. Ken McVay's stooge and fart.


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c2f77d0_1@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 


> > You are lying again Jeffery there are laws like this in some countries and
> > you just ignore this facts.
> 
> False. There are no countries that have laws that "make it illegal to talk about
> the holocaust or write about the Holocaust in public".
> 
> Not a single one, Kurtsie. None.
> 
> Why do you continue to repeat your obvious lie?
> 
> > The is no need to repost them me and others made you aware of it in English
> > and German.
> 
> Neither you nor anyone else has *ever* cited any law that "make[s] it illegal to
> talk about the holocaust or write about the Holocaust in public", imbecile.
> 
> Why do you continue to repeat your obvious lie?
> 
> Stay stupid, lying shit...
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com

In Germany it is against the law to have a different version of the
Holocaust than the one imposed by Jewish and American Gangster
Organizations! 

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Gangster Organizations seek to destroy. They expose to
Jeffrey G. Brown... Ken Mcvay's  ( Nizkor's ) foreskin and stooge. A
Holocaust denier and Liar, Liar, Liar.


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C2F6AFC.3C07C4AF@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > Because Zyklon - B is crucial to the mass murder of Jews!
> 
> No, Naziboy, it isn't. The Nazis also used carbon monoxide, shootings, and other
> methods to murder their victims.
> 
> Stay stupid, liar.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com

Let me repost it again so it will sink in!

********************************************************

Here again the Province:

"He avoids any mention of Zyklon - B, the gas historians believe he
introduced to speed up the rate of killing in the death camps."?



End
Historians believe he introduced... to speed up the rate...

With other words to gas this chosen people they needed Zyklon - B to do
it at a larger scale!

To use a boy like you to do a man's work is cruelty to children!

Go back to your masters and get re - programmed!

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey G.
Brown Ken McVay's foreskin. A Holocaust denier and a Liar, Liar, Liar.


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C2F6AFC.3C07C4AF@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:

> > > No,  I wrote not beaten anything close to death. In other words I was
> > > pointing out that you lied.
> >
> > Here it is again:
> 
> Why are repeating what shows you lied?

I lied by quoting a source? Are you sure you are not fucked up?

> 
> Hoess was not beaten nearly to death, and your  claim that he was is not
> evidence.
> 
> > Is this the same Rudolf Hoess whose crucial testimony was obtained by
> > beating the former commandant nearly to death ( note 15 ) Hoess, wife
> > and children were also threatened with death and deportation to Siberia?
> >
> > Source: Orest TYI
> 
> Source for what, the above is not even a quote from the book!

It may or not be an exact quote but it was the writers "Orest"
interpretation!

> 
> Do you think people are as stupid as you are?

By reading your postings I have the impression that you are past the
road of recovery! 
> 
> > Rubert Butler, Legion of Death ( England: 1983 ) pp 235 - 237; C.
> > Hitchens, "Whose History is it?,"" Vanity Fair ( New York ), Dec. 1993,
> > p. 117
> >
> > ******************************************************
> > Are you trying to tell me now that I lied by Quoting the exact text I
> > read in a newsgroups?
> 
> Yes, because you offer someone elses words, and then a source which doesn't
> even support the words of this unknown person.

Can you be sure that all the information you have are legitimate Is it
Eichmann's diary or memoir now?
> 
> You're a liar.
> >
> > You must be a liar to by repeating what you were told or read about the
> > Holocaust!
> 
> Repeating lies you know to be lies makes you a liar.
> 
> I don't repeat lies.

Really Jeffrey?


> > Where did I say that ( Someone )he was? Ask an adult what it means!
> 
> Those are the words you posted. They were your words.

**********************************************
Here it is again:
*******************************************************
Is this the same Rudolf Hoess whose crucial testimony was obtained by
beating the former commandant nearly to death ( note 15 ) Hoess, wife
and children were also threatened with death and deportation to Siberia?

Source: Orest TYI
Rubert Butler, Legion of Death ( England: 1983 ) pp 235 - 237; C.
Hitchens, "Whose History is it?,"" Vanity Fair ( New York ), Dec. 1993,
p. 117

******************************************************
Are you trying to tell me now that I lied by Quoting the exact text I
read in a newsgroups?

You must be a liar to by repeating what you were told or read about the
Holocaust!


********************************************************

> > > > > We know about the physical mistreatment he suffered when first
> captured
> > > > > because he told us about it in his 200 plus page memoir, written
> months

DIARY'S!!!!


> > > No he didn't. Is there any fact about this history you aren't ignorant
> of or
> > > will not lie about?
> >
> > Are you trying to tell me that he was on holidays when he wrote his
> > diary?
> 
> He was hiding in Argentina, nitwit.
> 
> > Again reading the Province:
> >
> > "The diary was written between his sentencing Dec. 15, 1961, in Israel
> > and his execution by hanging on May 31, 1962
> 
> His memoirs were dictated to German journalist in the years just preceding
> his capture in Argentina.

Really? :-))))))))))


> 
> He mentions the order to exterminate the Jews, his part in it, and gas
> chambers.
> 
> Eichmann provides much evidence of the Holocaust of the Jews.
> 
> You attempted to indicate otherwise. You're wrong.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Eichmann... A man who knows to be hung by Jewish Gangster spilling the
beans? :-)))))))

Nuts!!!!!

Go back alt.revisionism were you belong!



Werner Knoll


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Kurt Knoll wrote:
> 
> You live there and have more access to the German News. I did get my info
> from German
> Tourist coming to Canada. If was on this news Group the I would have kept it
> for you. You are
> a Nizkor Supporter I do believe you are well aware what system is in place
> in Germany now and
> what Power your type has.
> 
> Kurt. Knoll.
> ==============

What do you expect from a man who is using @gmx.net as a service
provider anyway? It looks to me @gmx.net is a Holocaust Mafia support
organization?

Perhaps he is collecting Air mile's points for a free trip to the
promised land?

First there was Ken McVay. Than Jeffrey G Brown Ken McVay's stooge and
fart and now we have Albrecht Kolthoff fucking for the German branch of
Nizkor.

looks like a Holocaust trinity club to me?

Werner
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazi's into a shield
against criticism.

Doug Collins

> "Albrecht Kolthoff"  wrote in message
> news:SSYP414342A60B@sisyphus.ping.de...
> > Kurt Knoll wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >Look around how many politician in various countries did have to resign
> > >their job if the Jews did
> > >not like what he or she said. One such case was in Germany was a Popular
> > >Politician as an
> > >Election Promise said.  Over 55 years has paid compensation to Israel
> there
> > >must be and end sometime
> > >the Jews then went after his party and claimed Neo Nazis are on the rise
> an
> > >forced his party to have him resign hi post.
> >
> > Which politician, which party?
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > --
> > Albrecht Kolthoff


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A lot. Did you ask your teacher in school to give you the official
Jewish version of what happen in the second world war. Now with the
internet you have a chance to read the other side! Take advantage of it
whilst you still can.

Read on

Werner Knoll

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Subject: Re: Doug Collins on Jewish Media Contol
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:14:09 -0700
From: slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura)
Organization: CADVision/PSINet
Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, soc.culture.canada, can.general,
can.politics
  References: 
             1




In article <9bgdkr01ih5@edrn.newsguy.com>, Kanuk
 wrote:

> Doug Collins has first hand experience with powerful Jewish lobby gangs. B'nai
> Brith went after him for his writings - the same smear mongers that are
now well
> into their second decade in pursuit of Ernst Zundel for his publishings.
> 

0=0=0=0

Truth can sometimes be disarmingly complex and put people into
situations in
which that have to re-evaluate their values and make difficult choices
as
the following short excerpt I posted below suggests.



But it also hurt Jews to be vilified as censors, to be called "thought
police" and even "Gestapo" for their role in taking an opinion writer to
court for bad opinions -- a first for Canada and a terrifying precedent
in
the mind of anyone who considers press freedom sacred. Many Jews wanted
no
part of it. Even the Western Jewish Bulletin (whose owner is American)
joined the free-speech brigade, infuriating the CJC [Canadian Jewish
Congress] and alienating many readers: "Our refusal, through our
editorials, to condemn Mr. Collins' right 
to express his views caused some readers to ask, 'Are you Jews first or
are you journalists?' ran an editorial in the September 26 issue. "The
answer is both
... to distort the case to comfort ourselves would be unforgivable as
journalists -- and as Jews."

- Paula Brook, "Freedom's just another word...," Saturday Night, Nov.
1997



That said, there's no doubt but that the Canadian Jewish Congress and
B'Nai
Brith Canada are among the more censorship-friendly groups in Canada.
Case in
point: A report in the April 14 Globe and Mail ("Controversial comic
strip 
may run with explanation," p. A7) informs readers that Manuel Prutschi,
the
national director of community relations for the Canadian Jewish
Congress,
would have preferred to have seen cartoonist Johnny Hart's B.C. comic
strip, giving Hart's take on the Easter message, "ideally ... pulled
from
Canadian newspapers."

0=0=0=0  

> Read the following to understand why our politicians fear the Jews. The
> following is copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html where other banned
> pieces are posted.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> THE COLLINS COLUMN, April 14, 2001 
> 
> NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET 
> 
> by Doug Collins
> 
> LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media empire in
> the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership. Not that anyone
> quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline in the National Post put
> it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."
> 
> "Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13 daily
> newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet operations, and fifty
> per cent of the National Post itself. In British Columbia, it meant that the
> Aspers and their CanWest empire controlled every media outlet that really
> counted, including The Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria
> Times-Colonist Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV
station,
> and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).
> 
> Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a small
> newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome to Izzy's
> World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the publisher of the North
> Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive Editor Timothy Renshaw. It
was also
> stated that when those firings took place, three weeks previously, a
notice had
> been posted in the newsroom to the effect that my name - known to
everyone as a
> former columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
> Not even in a letter to the editor.
> 
> The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
had, in
> the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has "died". He
had been
> told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role as publisher and previous
> owner of the News was over and that he was to leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw,
> meanwhile, was given some nonsense about the paper having to reduce costs.
> 
> It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were paying
> the price for having supported me through thick and thin against "human
rights"
> complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish Congress and B'Nai Brith. I
> was of that opinion the moment they left, although no-one in the Asper
> Shadowland is going to admit to such a thing. But what else could it be?
> 
> Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the most
> financially successful community newspaper in the country. In 1999 it won the
> Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as "the best all- round
> community newspaper in Canada". Two years before that it was designated in the
> U.S. as being one of the top three in North America. Mr. Renshaw, for
two years
> running, won the Association's award for outstanding column writing.
> 
> The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to Vancouver's
> North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported that CanWest had
> instructed all its newspapers to run an article by Liberal flack Warren
Kinsella
> attacking the Canadian Alliance for going after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in
> all CanWest newspapers", was the order.
> 
> There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
told not
> to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed watchdog that
> hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not surprising, seeing
that the
> CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000 bid to buy a string of TV
stations from
> Vancouver's Western International Communications Ltd.
> 
> Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and I'm in
> pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and Gwynne
Dyer are
> also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps they haven't been one
> hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same reason, Jewish pressure got
> The Vancouver Courier to drop the great Greg Felton, although the Aspers
didn't
> own the paper at that time.
> 
> Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
monopoly
> control of a vast section of the media that in former days would have been the
> subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun and Province joined together
> as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for instance, the Monopolies
Commission took
> years to approve the deal and then laid down certain conditions. When
> Hollinger/Southam bought the North Shore News the arrangement was again many
> years in the making. Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere.
What are
> they afraid of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?
> 
> One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
silence
> has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's takeover of
> Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual orgasm spread
over six
> pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy and son Leonard. Peter
Newman,
> another member of that fraternity, also sang a song of praise. Would he have
> been so keen if the Gentiles had made such a grab?
> 
> When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
changes in
> the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!

-- 
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* "What sort of truth is it that needs protection?"        * 
* Auberon Waugh - The London Daily Telegraph - May 9, 1992
*                    



Fred Cole wrote:
> 
> What has the Holocaust to do with can.politics ?
> 
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> >
> > You are just a primitive as your friend Jeffery. We are not talking about me
> > or you or Jeffery.
> > We are indeed discussing the validity of the Holocaust.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> > =========
> > "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
> > news:WZLX7.42939$Sj1.18342879@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...
> > > "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> > > news:3c2f8add_2@binaries.vphos.net...
> > >
> > > > "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
> > > > news:yAKX7.42321$Sj1.18295445@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> > > > > news:3c2f75a4_2@binaries.vphos.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > > The object of the holocaust promoters has always been not to allow
> > any
> > > > > > revision or any part of their beloved
> > > > > > holocaust saga.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, that's false.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Holocaust is revised all the time by historians, as are other
> > > > historical
> > > > > events.
> > > > >
> > > > > Denying the event is not revising history, it's making a fool of
> > > yourself.
> > >
> > > > You are an other nut just like Jeffery Brown. Revisionist are revising
> > an
> > > > event not denying an event
> > >
> > > But we're not talking about revisionists, we're talking about people like
> > > you. You are just an ignorant denier.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Philip Mathews
> > >
> > >
> > >


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C2FDEC1.73DE6E5A@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > now we have Albrecht Kolthoff fucking for the German branch of
> > Nizkor.
> 
> Take your homosexual fantasies elsewhere, Naziboy. You're in the wrong newsgroup
> to be looking for a date.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com

Just cannot help it... I been told by older Germans... All Jews are
perverts and fucking is all they understand.


Here is how you get back to your very own news group again.  I show you!

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Subject: Re: Antisemitic myths
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:42 GMT
From: dont@spam.me.spammer (Albino Protester)
Organization: Shaw Residential Internet
Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
van.general
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7

You have Albion Protester posting in van.general and other news groups
what Ken McVay does not like. Watch what happen next.

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Subject: Removal of tattoo'd skin
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:14:42 +0000 (UTC)
From:  kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
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alt.revisionism
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
References: 
1 , 2 , 3 , 4


In article ,
Albino Protester  wrote:
>In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net says...


In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net
says...
>
>Another Continuing Holocaust Saga

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Ken removes van.general to make room for alt.revisionism. He changes the
Subject line to Removal of tattoo'd skin and sets Followup-To
alt.revisionism so you can piss on anybody Ken McVays selects for you on
alt.revisionism.

In regard to your other posting and Wilkomirski getting support from
Jewish Organizations? You failed to respond to this!

Here it is again this time in english:

Vancouver Province Thursday, October 1,1998

"Is Fragments a masterpiece or work of fiction?:

"After it appeared in English, the New York Times Book Review described
it as an "extra ordinary memoir"...

In 1997 the American Library Association listed it for best Books for
young Adults. In the same year, the book won the Jewish Quarterly's
literary award for non fiction.

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffrey. G.
Brown Ken McVays' stooge and fart. A Holocaust denier and a Liar, Liar,
Liar


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Fred Cole wrote:
> 
> > Fred Cole wrote:
> > >
> > > What has the Holocaust to do with can.politics ?
> > >
> 
> Werner Knoll wrote:
> >
> > A lot. Did you ask your teacher in school to give you the official
> > Jewish version of what happen in the second world war. Now with the
> > internet you have a chance to read the other side! Take advantage of it
> > whilst you still can.
> 
> Sorry OM your explanation  does not cut it. I walked through the mounds of shoes
> in woods behind  Belsen (Bergen-Belsen) back in the 50s before they tidied things
> up. I know it all happened etc. etc. but it has nothing to do with this NG
> (can.politics)
> 
> I am sick and sore arsed tired of you guys continuously blithering on OT threads.


Bergen Belzen as represented by Jewish Mafia Organizations!

Ever read Doug Collins columns? He was in Bergen Belzen right at the end
of the war with the british and said there were corpses all around him
who died of disease!

Have you ever been in a war? I have and I can tell you that people will
die when they have nothing to eat for some time.

How do you thing most German prisoners of war died while in American
camps on German soil "After the war?" Starvation.

Lets have some facts here:

Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazi's into a shield
against criticism!
Doug Collins

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"Crimes and Mercies" by James 
BacqueISBN 0 316 64070 0

Foreword by: Alfred De Zayas.

" Because the Germans are perceived as collectively guilty, they somehow
have no rights. Only a few voices have been raised to acknowledge the
injustices perpetrated by us and our allies over many decades."

" Only a few courageous individuals like Herbert Hoover, George Bell and
Victor Gollancz have dared to remind us of the moral dilemma. Indeed,
how could we go to war in the name of democracy and self - determination
and betray our own principles in the peace settlement? More correctly,
how could we go to war against Hitler's methods only to apply similar
methods during and after the war?"

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 32 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 32 and 33 British writer
In Hamburg in 1946, in the British zone of occupation, one touring
British writer said that about 100,000 people were in the last stage of
starvation with hunger edema. In Düsseldorf and many other cities,
people lived like rats in a few feet of wet basement under a heap of
rubble. The English philanthropist and publisher Victor Gollances
witnessed these conditions during his visit to Germany in 1946. He
wrote:

"I made a more extensive tour of Düsseldorf dwelling-places towards the
end of the week. Down long dark staircase and than along a black tunnel
was a man of 79, alone in a hole, which he had made habitable -
according to the ruling standards - 'all by himself'. His wife was out
on the search for bread. In another part of the same cellar was a mother
with three children - [aged] 6, 10 and 14. All four of them slept in the
only bed, two side by side in the ordinary way and the other two side by
side at the foot of it.

The mother came back while we were there: it was 10:30 and she had been
queuing for bread since early morning and had returned empty-handed -
'bread nowhere'. One of the children was still in bed; none had yet
anything to eat, as the last bread had gone yesterday. The father was a
prisoner of war in Russia. Two of the children had TB.

There was a tiny stove, but no coal or gas, only a little wood, which
they 'fetched'. For excretion the used a pail, which they emptied every
morning into a hole they had dug in the courtyard above. They had twice
been bombed out. On the wall was a small faded photograph of the mother
and father at their wedding and on the other some prince or king with
the legend 'Lerne leiden ohne zu klagen': learn to suffer without
complaining."

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"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 39 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 39 a speech by US Senator Langer in the Senate. 
"[We] are caught in what has unfolded as a savage and fanatical plot to
destroy the German people by visiting on them a punishment in kind for
atrocities of their leaders.

Not only have this leaders of this plot permitted the whole world
situation to get… out of hand… but their determination to destroy the
German people and the German Nation, no matter what the consequences to
our own moral principles, to our leadership in world affairs, to our
Christian faith, to our allies, or to the whole future peace of this
world, has become a world scandal… 

We have all seen the grim pictures of piled-up bodies uncovered by the
Americans and the British armies, and our hearts have been wrung with
pity at the sight of such emaciation - reducing adults and even little
children to mere skeletons.

Yet now to our utter horror, we discover that our own policies have
merely spread those same conditions even more widely… among our former
enemies.
Senator Langer

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"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 43 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 43 about food supply to the German prisoners. 

Koblenz. 9. May 1945
"The military government has requested me to make it known, that under
no circumstances may food supply be assembled amongst the local
inhabitants, in order to deliver to the prisoners of war. Those who
violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to
allow to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being
shot."…

The Burgmeister…. Langenlonsheim.

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"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 94 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 94 to95 about food shortages.

One former prisoner described it recently: 
"At first, the women from the nearby town brought food into the camp. 
The American soldiers took everything away from the women, threw it in a
heap and poured gasoline [benzine] over it and burned it.   Eisenhower
himself ordered that the food be destroyed, according to Karl Vogel, who
was the German camp commander appointed by the Americans in camp 8 at
Garmisch-Partenkirchen.  Although the prisoners were getting only 800
calories per day, the Americans were destroying food outside the camp
gate.

To conserve food could scarily have been the reason for the order
threatening death for civilians wishing to feed prisoners, because the
Allies' predominant policy in Germany for many months was actually to
reduce supplies of food destined for German civilians, as well as
prisoners.  The rations were to be held at the lowest possible level to
'prevent starvation', or to 'prevent disease and unrest'.

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"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque page 97 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 97 and 99 People who hat to leave their homes.

District Administrative Commission of Garlitze [Kraslice]

Notice:
People selected for transport must leave their homes in complete order.

One piece of luggage weighing 60 kilograms and hand baggage of a maximum
of 10 kilograms will be allowed per person.

The remaining effects must be left where they are in the home, e.g.
curtains, carpets, table lamps, wall mirrors. Wash basins, pieces of
furniture, table cloths, 2 towels, and on the beds, mattresses, bed
linen and at least one pillow and bedcover, all freshly mad up.

If, on inspection, it is observed that these instructions have not been
obeyed, the person concerned will not be taken on the transport but send
to the interior to work.

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"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque page 100 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 100-101
Writer Robert Greer on a visit to Berlin in late 1945

There's something I must tell you before I go to have my dinner. It's
the worst of all.  I am driving about [Berlin] on Sunday morning, we
came to the Stettinger Bahnhof.  It's a complete wreck of course, the
great arched glassway broken and twisted. I went down to the ground
level and looked.  There were people. Sitting on bundles of clothes,
crouched by handcarts and little wagons were people…  they were all
exhausted and starved and miserable. 

You'd see a child sitting at a roll of blankets, a girl of perhaps four
or five, and her eyes would be only half open and her head would loll
occasionally and her eyes blink slowly as though she were only half
alive. Beside her, her mother apparently, a woman with her head on her
outstretched arm in a most terrible picture of despair and exhaustion
and collapse I've seen.

You could see in line of her body all the misery that was possible for
her to feel… no home, no husband, no food, no place to go, no one to
care, nothing absolutely nothing but a piece of floor of the Stettinger
Bahnhof and a night of weary hunger.

In another place, another woman, sitting with her head in her hand… my
God, how often have I sat like that with my stomach sick within me and
felt miserable and helpless and uncaring…. Yet always I had someone to
help, or a bed to rest and a meal to eat and a place to go.

For here there was nothing. Even when you see it it's impossible to
believe. What can you do when you have nothing? Where can you go, what
can you do, when you have no strength left and hunger is a sickness in
your belly? God it was terrible.

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 109 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 109 your guilty before you are born.

After Dr Kent was released, and had emigrated with some other survivors,
first to Canada and then to the USA, she found that people refused to
believe any stories about atrocities against Germans by the Allies.
Once, when she was a student at a university in the US, she approached a
group of students conversing with a professor.

When Kent joined in, the professor said, 'Here's our little Nazi. Seigh
Heil.'  Her younger sister once spoke of her family's sufferings in some
camps to some American students. 'What did you do to deserve that?'
someone asked. She answered that she had nursed at her mother's breast.
At the end of the war, her sister was one year old, Dr Kent was five.

***********************************************************


"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 111 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 111 The plumping was not safe from the US soldiers but the Russians
had different ways.

The Great Russian writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn, winner of the Nobel
Prize, who has contributed enormously to the destruction of the Soviet
regime, wrote a rigorously honest poem about the Red Army conquest of
Prussia in 1945. He was soon arrested and imprisoned for anti Soviet
views he expressed. Solzhenitsyn wrote in one stanza of the poem:

Zweiundzwanzig, Horingstrasse.
It's not been burned, just looted, rifled.
A moaning, by the walls half-muffled:
The Mother's wounded, still alive.
The little daughter's on the mattress,
Dead. How many have been on it?
A platoon? A company perhaps?
A girl's been turned into a woman,
A woman turned into a corps.
It's all come down to simple phrases:
"Do not forget. Do not forgive" *
Blood for blood. A tooth for a tooth!
The mother begs, 'Kill me, soldier!'

* From the Russian propaganda inciting soldiers to vengeance.

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque ISBN Page 141  0 316 64070 0
Page 141 who are these criminals?

It has never been explained in the West how it was that their
governments could reinforce the regime of mass-murderers like Stalin,
Beria, Kaganovich and Molotov, while they were so afraid of truthful,
compassionate men like Dietrich Bonhöffer, Cardinal Frings, Helmut von
Moltke, Claus von Stauffenberg and hundreds of thousands of other German
resisters.

Many Western leaders viewed with indifference or approval the starvation
of Germans who included friends of democracy and freedom.

For instance, when Pastor Martin Niemöller said that he wanted to make a
tour of Switzerland and the US in 1946 to appeal to fellow Christians
and men of good will', he was arrested and returned to a concentration
camp.

The Westerners had condemned the Nazis for assigning collective guilt to
groups for crimes of individual members, but it would be unrealistic to
deny that they did the same thing themselves.

All this scarcely known to the major participants.  A whole nation was
maimed in peacetime, but when the events are even mentioned by the
German survivors, they are immediately hushed up by their own
government. No one is allowed to dig for the corpses of the murdered
prisoners in Germany.

The criminals go free.  To defend them, lies are told by historians who
also defame the injured.  Free expression of historical opinion is
curbed by legislation that even grows more stringent as time passes.  No
denial of history has ever been successful.

Never was any other nation so forcible estranged from itself from its
own past. Which goes for the democracy too.
***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 172 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 172 Marshall Plan.

The Marshall Plan started in April 1948. Germany was at first excluded.
Although the needed more, it is understandable that the would receive
less than the UK, less than 60% of the amount the French got.

They paid back to the US nearly every dollar they had received in aid.

The Germans actually received about $1.4 billions, and they repaid
around $1 billion, leaving them with $0.4 billion in outright gifts.
Britain received eight times as much, about $3,176,000,000; the French
$2,706,000,000 and the Italians $1,474,000,000. Only the Germans paid
back any of their Marshall Plan Money.
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 187 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 187 giving away your home lock, stock and barrel.

This sense of collective German guilt is useful in an especially morbid
way to her former enemies because it effectively seals off all
discussions about the mistreatment of Germans in 1945. Time and again,
when anyone reproaches the Allies for their treatment of German women
and children in 1945, the reply is heard, 'But look what the Germans
did.' This is a common refrain today in Germany itself. But for much of
the war and a long time after, it was actually forbidden in the American
press to mention the German resistance. President Roosevelt forbade the
press to print news of the German resistance, a directive that was
enforced even after the war by the American occupation authorities.

Guilt pervades Germany like a religion. It is the 'Canossa Republic',
penitent in pain before its judges.* Guilt is so powerful that it has
caused the Canossa Republic repeatedly to deny any intention of
reclaiming sovereignty over the eastern lands, although it is a
well-established UN principle that no government has the right to waive
the claims of individuals to their property. Nor may it impede their
right to return to their former homeland. 

*At Canossa in 1077, King Henry IV knelt in the snow for three days as
he begged Pope Gregory to release him from excommunication.


End


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C309FBB.F785BC37@telus.net...
> >
> >

> > > I am sick and sore arsed tired of you guys continuously blithering on OT
> threads.
> >
> >
> > Bergen Belzen as represented by Jewish Mafia Organizations!
> >
> > Ever read Doug Collins columns? He was in Bergen Belzen right at the end
> > of the war with the british and said there were corpses all around him
> > who died of disease!
> >
> > Have you ever been in a war? I have and I can tell you that people will
> > die when they have nothing to eat for some time.
> >
> > How do you thing most German prisoners of war died while in American
> > camps on German soil "After the war?" Starvation.
> >
> > Lets have some facts here:
> 
> Yes, let's.
> 

Jewish Holocaust Mafia at work!

If James Bacque would write today that water will run down hill, you and
your "Bastard" Organization would dispute that too.

He Listen "BOY" I bin living under the condition imposed by the
Americans. I been shot at almost starved to death. Contacted
tuberculoses and more. What do you know about live besides of what you
been told?


Werner Knoll


Her it is again!

*********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James 
Bacque ISBN 0 316 64070 0

Foreword by: Alfred De Zayas.

" Because the Germans are perceived as collectively guilty, they somehow
have no rights. Only a few voices have been raised to acknowledge the
injustices perpetrated by us and our allies over many decades."

" Only a few courageous individuals like Herbert Hoover, George Bell and
Victor Gollancz have dared to remind us of the moral dilemma. Indeed,
how could we go to war in the name of democracy and self - determination
and betray our own principles in the peace settlement? More correctly,
how could we go to war against Hitler's methods only to apply similar
methods during and after the war?"

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 32 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 32 and 33 British writer
In Hamburg in 1946, in the British zone of occupation, one touring
British writer said that about 100,000 people were in the last stage of
starvation with hunger edema. In Düsseldorf and many other cities,
people lived like rats in a few feet of wet basement under a heap of
rubble. The English philanthropist and publisher Victor Gollances
witnessed these conditions during his visit to Germany in 1946. He
wrote:

"I made a more extensive tour of Düsseldorf dwelling-places towards the
end of the week. Down long dark staircase and than along a black tunnel
was a man of 79, alone in a hole, which he had made habitable -
according to the ruling standards - 'all by himself'. His wife was out
on the search for bread. In another part of the same cellar was a mother
with three children - [aged] 6, 10 and 14. All four of them slept in the
only bed, two side by side in the ordinary way and the other two side by
side at the foot of it.

The mother came back while we were there: it was 10:30 and she had been
queuing for bread since early morning and had returned empty-handed -
'bread nowhere'. One of the children was still in bed; none had yet
anything to eat, as the last bread had gone yesterday. The father was a
prisoner of war in Russia. Two of the children had TB.

There was a tiny stove, but no coal or gas, only a little wood, which
they 'fetched'. For excretion the used a pail, which they emptied every
morning into a hole they had dug in the courtyard above. They had twice
been bombed out. On the wall was a small faded photograph of the mother
and father at their wedding and on the other some prince or king with
the legend 'Lerne leiden ohne zu klagen': learn to suffer without
complaining."

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 39 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 39 a speech by US Senator Langer in the Senate. 
"[We] are caught in what has unfolded as a savage and fanatical plot to
destroy the German people by visiting on them a punishment in kind for
atrocities of their leaders.

Not only have this leaders of this plot permitted the whole world
situation to get… out of hand… but their determination to destroy the
German people and the German Nation, no matter what the consequences to
our own moral principles, to our leadership in world affairs, to our
Christian faith, to our allies, or to the whole future peace of this
world, has become a world scandal… 

We have all seen the grim pictures of piled-up bodies uncovered by the
Americans and the British armies, and our hearts have been wrung with
pity at the sight of such emaciation - reducing adults and even little
children to mere skeletons.

Yet now to our utter horror, we discover that our own policies have
merely spread those same conditions even more widely… among our former
enemies.
Senator Langer

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 43 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 43 about food supply to the German prisoners. 

Koblenz. 9. May 1945
"The military government has requested me to make it known, that under
no circumstances may food supply be assembled amongst the local
inhabitants, in order to deliver to the prisoners of war. Those who
violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to
allow to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being
shot."…

The Burgmeister…. Langenlonsheim.

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 94 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 94 to95 about food shortages.

One former prisoner described it recently: 
"At first, the women from the nearby town brought food into the camp. 
The American soldiers took everything away from the women, threw it in a
heap and poured gasoline [benzine] over it and burned it.   Eisenhower
himself ordered that the food be destroyed, according to Karl Vogel, who
was the German camp commander appointed by the Americans in camp 8 at
Garmisch-Partenkirchen.  Although the prisoners were getting only 800
calories per day, the Americans were destroying food outside the camp
gate.

To conserve food could scarily have been the reason for the order
threatening death for civilians wishing to feed prisoners, because the
Allies' predominant policy in Germany for many months was actually to
reduce supplies of food destined for German civilians, as well as
prisoners.  The rations were to be held at the lowest possible level to
'prevent starvation', or to 'prevent disease and unrest'.

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque page 97 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 97 and 99 People who hat to leave their homes.

District Administrative Commission of Garlitze [Kraslice]

Notice:
People selected for transport must leave their homes in complete order.

One piece of luggage weighing 60 kilograms and hand baggage of a maximum
of 10 kilograms will be allowed per person.

The remaining effects must be left where they are in the home, e.g.
curtains, carpets, table lamps, wall mirrors. Wash basins, pieces of
furniture, table cloths, 2 towels, and on the beds, mattresses, bed
linen and at least one pillow and bedcover, all freshly mad up.

If, on inspection, it is observed that these instructions have not been
obeyed, the person concerned will not be taken on the transport but send
to the interior to work.

***********************************************************
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque page 100 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 100-101
Writer Robert Greer on a visit to Berlin in late 1945

There's something I must tell you before I go to have my dinner. It's
the worst of all.  I am driving about [Berlin] on Sunday morning, we
came to the Stettinger Bahnhof.  It's a complete wreck of course, the
great arched glassway broken and twisted. I went down to the ground
level and looked.  There were people. Sitting on bundles of clothes,
crouched by handcarts and little wagons were people…  they were all
exhausted and starved and miserable. 

You'd see a child sitting at a roll of blankets, a girl of perhaps four
or five, and her eyes would be only half open and her head would loll
occasionally and her eyes blink slowly as though she were only half
alive. Beside her, her mother apparently, a woman with her head on her
outstretched arm in a most terrible picture of despair and exhaustion
and collapse I've seen.

You could see in line of her body all the misery that was possible for
her to feel… no home, no husband, no food, no place to go, no one to
care, nothing absolutely nothing but a piece of floor of the Stettinger
Bahnhof and a night of weary hunger.

In another place, another woman, sitting with her head in her hand… my
God, how often have I sat like that with my stomach sick within me and
felt miserable and helpless and uncaring…. Yet always I had someone to
help, or a bed to rest and a meal to eat and a place to go.

For here there was nothing. Even when you see it it's impossible to
believe. What can you do when you have nothing? Where can you go, what
can you do, when you have no strength left and hunger is a sickness in
your belly? God it was terrible.

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 109 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 109 your guilty before you are born.

After Dr Kent was released, and had emigrated with some other survivors,
first to Canada and then to the USA, she found that people refused to
believe any stories about atrocities against Germans by the Allies.
Once, when she was a student at a university in the US, she approached a
group of students conversing with a professor.

When Kent joined in, the professor said, 'Here's our little Nazi. Seigh
Heil.'  Her younger sister once spoke of her family's sufferings in some
camps to some American students. 'What did you do to deserve that?'
someone asked. She answered that she had nursed at her mother's breast.
At the end of the war, her sister was one year old, Dr Kent was five.

***********************************************************


"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 111 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 111 The plumping was not safe from the US soldiers but the Russians
had different ways.

The Great Russian writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn, winner of the Nobel
Prize, who has contributed enormously to the destruction of the Soviet
regime, wrote a rigorously honest poem about the Red Army conquest of
Prussia in 1945. He was soon arrested and imprisoned for anti Soviet
views he expressed. Solzhenitsyn wrote in one stanza of the poem:

Zweiundzwanzig, Horingstrasse.
It's not been burned, just looted, rifled.
A moaning, by the walls half-muffled:
The Mother's wounded, still alive.
The little daughter's on the mattress,
Dead. How many have been on it?
A platoon? A company perhaps?
A girl's been turned into a woman,
A woman turned into a corps.
It's all come down to simple phrases:
"Do not forget. Do not forgive" *
Blood for blood. A tooth for a tooth!
The mother begs, 'Kill me, soldier!'

* From the Russian propaganda inciting soldiers to vengeance.

***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque ISBN Page 141  0 316 64070 0
Page 141 who are these criminals?

It has never been explained in the West how it was that their
governments could reinforce the regime of mass-murderers like Stalin,
Beria, Kaganovich and Molotov, while they were so afraid of truthful,
compassionate men like Dietrich Bonhöffer, Cardinal Frings, Helmut von
Moltke, Claus von Stauffenberg and hundreds of thousands of other German
resisters.

Many Western leaders viewed with indifference or approval the starvation
of Germans who included friends of democracy and freedom.

For instance, when Pastor Martin Niemöller said that he wanted to make a
tour of Switzerland and the US in 1946 to appeal to fellow Christians
and men of good will', he was arrested and returned to a concentration
camp.

The Westerners had condemned the Nazis for assigning collective guilt to
groups for crimes of individual members, but it would be unrealistic to
deny that they did the same thing themselves.

All this scarcely known to the major participants.  A whole nation was
maimed in peacetime, but when the events are even mentioned by the
German survivors, they are immediately hushed up by their own
government. No one is allowed to dig for the corpses of the murdered
prisoners in Germany.

The criminals go free.  To defend them, lies are told by historians who
also defame the injured.  Free expression of historical opinion is
curbed by legislation that even grows more stringent as time passes.  No
denial of history has ever been successful.

Never was any other nation so forcible estranged from itself from its
own past. Which goes for the democracy too.
***********************************************************

"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 172 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 172 Marshall Plan.

The Marshall Plan started in April 1948. Germany was at first excluded.
Although the needed more, it is understandable that the would receive
less than the UK, less than 60% of the amount the French got.

They paid back to the US nearly every dollar they had received in aid.

The Germans actually received about $1.4 billions, and they repaid
around $1 billion, leaving them with $0.4 billion in outright gifts.
Britain received eight times as much, about $3,176,000,000; the French
$2,706,000,000 and the Italians $1,474,000,000. Only the Germans paid
back any of their Marshall Plan Money.
"Crimes and Mercies" by James Bacque Page 187 ISBN 0 316 64070 0
Page 187 giving away your home lock, stock and barrel.

This sense of collective German guilt is useful in an especially morbid
way to her former enemies because it effectively seals off all
discussions about the mistreatment of Germans in 1945. Time and again,
when anyone reproaches the Allies for their treatment of German women
and children in 1945, the reply is heard, 'But look what the Germans
did.' This is a common refrain today in Germany itself. But for much of
the war and a long time after, it was actually forbidden in the American
press to mention the German resistance. President Roosevelt forbade the
press to print news of the German resistance, a directive that was
enforced even after the war by the American occupation authorities.

Guilt pervades Germany like a religion. It is the 'Canossa Republic',
penitent in pain before its judges.* Guilt is so powerful that it has
caused the Canossa Republic repeatedly to deny any intention of
reclaiming sovereignty over the eastern lands, although it is a
well-established UN principle that no government has the right to waive
the claims of individuals to their property. Nor may it impede their
right to return to their former homeland. 

*At Canossa in 1077, King Henry IV knelt in the snow for three days as
he begged Pope Gregory to release him from excommunication.


End

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> Philip Mathews


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Fred Cole wrote:
> 
> > > > Werner Knoll wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > A lot. Did you ask your teacher in school to give you the official
> > > > > Jewish version of what happen in the second world war.
> 
> I was going to school while  Hitler was writing the history books.

So was I born 1933.
> 
> Kind of sad. Every single rotten thing that happened in those days lies on his
> shoulders.

Not only his shoulder.

> 
> Perhaps those nice ladies who had the rummage sale in the woods just miscalculated
> and brought a few hundred thousand pairs of shoes more then they could sell.

I came to Canada in 1956 Should I be held responsible for what the Nazis
did to Jews and others? Should my Canadian born children and
grandchildren be responsible for what the Nazis did to others?

Germany has up today paid more then 260 billion DM in compensation. Most
if not all going to "JEWS."

Panoram August 2000
Germany to Pay Billions to Nazi era Slave Laborers:

... But the laborers, who were mainly non Jews from Eastern Europe
enslaved by the Nazis to keep industries and farms operating while
Germans went to war, never received any personal compensation because
any money received from Germany was pocketed by communist dictatorships
in the Cold War era.

****************************************************
Author: Gary Schindler.
German court says no to slave-laborers.
Vancouver Province Thursday, November 6 1997
Bonn: twenty-two former slaves - laborers who toiled in an Auschwitz
munitions factory under Nazi guard are not entitled to back wages from
the German government, a Bonn court ruled yesterday. In a blow to
thousands of other survivors of Nazi forced labor.

Judge Heinz Sonnenberg said German law excludes payment for
slave-laborers that the government as already paid compensation.

Although Germany has awarded tens of billions of dollars worth of
reparations to Nazi victims, it has refused to honor wage claims by
slave-laborers, which were technically working for private companies.

The 22 plaintiffs were forced to work 12-hour shifts at a munitions
factory while interned at the Auschwitz death camp from 1943 to 1945.
All plaintiffs were Jewish, and most were Polish citizens.

Two of the Auschwitz survivors have died since opened in 1992. The
surviving plaintiffs, all women, are older than 70. Most live in Israel.

Their lawyers said they would appeal the decision. "The Government's
interest has been to let things take care of themselves naturally - by
death," charged lawyer Annekathrin Keller.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Deutsche Presse, Mittwoch, 13. Oktober 1999 page 6

Million dollars swindle on Israeli pensioners.
Hamburg / Jerusalem (dpa) About 1 million in pension benefits earmarked
for Israeli pensioners ended up in private hands.

According to Israeli news reports. Israeli lawyers, Israel Perry in Tel
Aviv and Arad Ajalon have been charged with fraud.

The whole affair started when German Israeli pensioners were entitled to
a pension agreement in 1980.

Israeli pensioners were permitted to buy themselves retroactively into
the German pension plan, put moneymakers in Israel and Germany used this
people to fill their own pockets. 

End

Werner Knoll


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Albrecht Kolthoff wrote:
> 
> F'up to where it belongs.
> 
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> 
> >"Albrecht Kolthoff"  wrote in message
> >news:SSYP414342A60B@sisyphus.ping.de...
> >> Kurt Knoll wrote:

> >> >forced his party to have him resign hi post.
> >>
> >> Which politician, which party?
> 
> >You live there and have more access to the German News. I did get my info
> >from German
> >Tourist coming to Canada.
> 
> What a lame excuse. I knew there wouldn't be a substantiation of that claim.
> Of course it is bullshit.
> 
> [...]
> 
> --
> Albrecht Kolthoff

Is it?

Here is another example:

Deutsche Presse Mittwoch, 1 März 2000

Quotes from "The Sunday Sun, February 6, 2000

Heil Haider?

Despite EU hysteria, the controversial Austrian is no Hitler Lite:

"The European Union warns it will isolate and punish Austria...

Here are some of the statements made:

1: addressing a Waffen SS war veterans' convention, Haider stated that
among the organization's ranks were some decent people." ...

End

Today Argentina is in turmoil. Lets hope tomorrow the whole world will
go to hell!


Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deed's of the Nazis into a shield
against criticism.
Doug Collins


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C30C2B1.16313DC1@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > Should I be held responsible for what the Nazis did to Jews and others?
> 
> Nope. But you will be held responsible for your own lies.
> 
> Get used to it, Naziboy.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com

A holocaust denier like you lecturing others?

Go and play with Ken McVays balls when you sit on his dick! Will yo

Werner Knoll


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C30BD9C.27BA129F@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:
> > >



> > Jewish Holocaust Mafia at work!
> >
> > If James Bacque would write today that water will run down hill, you and
> > your "Bastard" Organization would dispute that too.
> >
> > He Listen "BOY" I bin living under the condition imposed by the
> > Americans. I been shot at almost starved to death. Contacted
> > tuberculoses and more. What do you know about live besides of what you
> > been told?
> >
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> >
> >
> > Her it is again!
> 
> Yup, here it is, showing how Bacque lies about the deaths that did occur,
> and makes egregious errors with the statistics.

Since when will an error in statistics the deciding factor and whose
statistics to count?

> 
> What does it say that you prefer to believe a man unqualified to carry out
> the task, rather than a panel of experts on the subject?

Panel of experts under the control of an international "Gangster
Organization"?
> 
> Bacque got it wrong.
> 
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//b/bacque.james/ambrose.0
> 01
> 
> Mr. Bacque, a Canadian novelist with no previous historical
>    research or writing experience, says in his introduction:
>    "Doubtless many scholars will find faults in this book, which are
>    only mine. I welcome their criticism and their further research,
>    which may help to restore to us the truth after a long night of
>    lies." Last December, the Eisenhower Center at the University of
>    New Orleans invited some leading experts on the period to examine
>    the charges. The conference participants, including me, plan to
>    publish the papers in book form.

If I were able to travel... I would visit Eisenhower grave side and SHIT
on it!!

What a bastard he was!

> 
>    Our first conclusion was that Mr. Bacque had made a major
>    historical discovery. There _was_ wdiespread mistreatment of German
>    prisoners in the spring and summer of 1945. Men were beaten, denied
>    water, forced to live in open camps without shelter, given
>    inadequate food rations and inadequate medical care. Their mail was
>    withheld. In some cases prisoners made a "soup" of water and grass
>    in order to deal with their hunger. Men did die needlessly and
>    inexcusably. This must be confronted, and it is to Mr. Bacque's
>    credit that he forces us to do so.
> 
> [...]
> 
> What happened is simple enough: the Allies could not afford to feed
>    the millions of German prisoners at the same level at which they
>    were able to feed German civilians, not to mention the civilians of
>    the liberated countries of Western Europe, and not to mention as
>    well the displaced persons. But the United States and other Allied
>    nations had signed the Geneva Convention, which had the force of a
>    treaty. They did not wish to violate it, so they used the new
>    designation of "Disarmed Enemy Forces." The orders to the field
>    commanders were straighforward: do not feed the DEF's at a higher
>    scale than German civilians.

But the could afford to burn food in front of our eyes!

> 
>    With regard to another of Mr. Bacque's conclusions, he arrives at
>    his sensational figure of one million dead through a system of
>    analysis that has left almost everyone who has tried to check his
>    statistics and methods befuddled. He did make one mistake because
>    of a typing error by a clerk. He saw a figure of 70,000 prisoners
>    in an Army medical report and then calculated the total death rate
>    for all prisoners in American hands on the basis of that number and
>    the 21,000 deaths also mentioned in the report. That is, he arrived
>    at his most basic conclusion, a death rate in all camps of 30
>    percent, by dividing the 21,000 deaths by the 70,000 prisoners.
>    However, the 70,000 figure should have been 10 times higher. All
>    other figures in the document make it clear that the correct number
>    of prisoners was 700,000. This would make the death rate not 30
>    percent but 3 percent.

Most likely he learned that from Jewish Organizations!

> 
>    --
> Philip Mathews

Time for you to get burped!

Here is what Nick from Greece wrote:
History is truly written by the victor, regardless of nationality. The
victors were the Americans for so many years. As such it comes as no
surprise that so many Germans would adopt American political correctness
in their dealings with their own history. This is a scary concept when
one thinks that there must be two sides to every story.

End

Werner Knoll


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Perhaps your experts had a blow job performed by a Jewish girl?

Werner Knoll

Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3c30ca32_1@binaries.vphos.net...
> 
> > "Philip Mathews"  wrote in message
> > news:Cy3Y7.46295$Sj1.19002016@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...
> > >
> > > "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> > > news:3C30BD9C.27BA129F@telus.net...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Philip Mathews wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> > > > > news:3C309FBB.F785BC37@telus.net...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > I am sick and sore arsed tired of you guys continuously
> blithering
> > > on OT
> > > > > threads.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bergen Belzen as represented by Jewish Mafia Organizations!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ever read Doug Collins columns? He was in Bergen Belzen right at
> the
> > > end
> > > > > > of the war with the british and said there were corpses all around
> > him
> > > > > > who died of disease!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you ever been in a war? I have and I can tell you that people
> > > will
> > > > > > die when they have nothing to eat for some time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How do you thing most German prisoners of war died while in
> American
> > > > > > camps on German soil "After the war?" Starvation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lets have some facts here:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, let's.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jewish Holocaust Mafia at work!
> > > >
> > > > If James Bacque would write today that water will run down hill, you
> and
> > > > your "Bastard" Organization would dispute that too.
> > > >
> > > > He Listen "BOY" I bin living under the condition imposed by the
> > > > Americans. I been shot at almost starved to death. Contacted
> > > > tuberculoses and more. What do you know about live besides of what you
> > > > been told?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Werner Knoll
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Her it is again!
> > >
> > > Yup, here it is, showing how Bacque lies about the deaths that did
> occur,
> > > and makes egregious errors with the statistics.
> > >
> > > What does it say that you prefer to believe a man unqualified to carry
> out
> > > the task, rather than a panel of experts on the subject?
> > >
> > > Bacque got it wrong.
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//b/bacque.james/ambrose.0
> > > 01
> > >
> > > Mr. Bacque, a Canadian novelist with no previous historical
> > >    research or writing experience, says in his introduction:
> > >    "Doubtless many scholars will find faults in this book, which are
> > >    only mine. I welcome their criticism and their further research,
> > >    which may help to restore to us the truth after a long night of
> > >    lies." Last December, the Eisenhower Center at the University of
> > >    New Orleans invited some leading experts on the period to examine
> > >    the charges. The conference participants, including me, plan to
> > >    publish the papers in book form.
> > >
> > >    Our first conclusion was that Mr. Bacque had made a major
> > >    historical discovery. There _was_ wdiespread mistreatment of German
> > >    prisoners in the spring and summer of 1945. Men were beaten, denied
> > >    water, forced to live in open camps without shelter, given
> > >    inadequate food rations and inadequate medical care. Their mail was
> > >    withheld. In some cases prisoners made a "soup" of water and grass
> > >    in order to deal with their hunger. Men did die needlessly and
> > >    inexcusably. This must be confronted, and it is to Mr. Bacque's
> > >    credit that he forces us to do so.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > What happened is simple enough: the Allies could not afford to feed
> > >    the millions of German prisoners at the same level at which they
> > >    were able to feed German civilians, not to mention the civilians of
> > >    the liberated countries of Western Europe, and not to mention as
> > >    well the displaced persons. But the United States and other Allied
> > >    nations had signed the Geneva Convention, which had the force of a
> > >    treaty. They did not wish to violate it, so they used the new
> > >    designation of "Disarmed Enemy Forces." The orders to the field
> > >    commanders were straighforward: do not feed the DEF's at a higher
> > >    scale than German civilians.
> > >
> > >    With regard to another of Mr. Bacque's conclusions, he arrives at
> > >    his sensational figure of one million dead through a system of
> > >    analysis that has left almost everyone who has tried to check his
> > >    statistics and methods befuddled. He did make one mistake because
> > >    of a typing error by a clerk. He saw a figure of 70,000 prisoners
> > >    in an Army medical report and then calculated the total death rate
> > >    for all prisoners in American hands on the basis of that number and
> > >    the 21,000 deaths also mentioned in the report. That is, he arrived
> > >    at his most basic conclusion, a death rate in all camps of 30
> > >    percent, by dividing the 21,000 deaths by the 70,000 prisoners.
> > >    However, the 70,000 figure should have been 10 times higher. All
> > >    other figures in the document make it clear that the correct number
> > >    of prisoners was 700,000. This would make the death rate not 30
> > >    percent but 3 percent.
> 
> > You mean Jews are more qualified than anybody else.
> 
> The experts were:
> 
> Thomas Barker of the State University of New York, Albany, a specialist on
> central European military history;
> 
> Guenter Bischof of the Eisenhower Center, a specialist on Austria in the
> occupation;
> 
> Neil Cameron, the producer of the BBC documentary on "Other Losses";
> 
> Albert Cowdrey of the Department of the Army's Center of Military History;
> 
> Alex Frohn of the German Historical Institute;
> 
> Ruediger Overmans of the Militargeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Office of
> Military History); (who is writing the final volume of the official German
> history of the war)
> 
> Rolf Steininger of the University of Innsbruck, author of a two-volume
> history of the occupation of Germany;
> 
> James Tent of the University of Alabama-Birmingham, author of "Mission on
> the Rhine";
> 
> Brian Villa of the University of Ottawa, author of "Unauthorized Action:
> Mountbatten and the Dieppe Raid."
> 
> Stephen E. Ambrose is the director of the Eisenhower Center at the
> University of New Orleans.
> 
> You never fail to respond with a stupid statement about something you are
> completely ignorant of. That's why you're so easy to expose as a mindless
> Jew hater driven by your consuming hatred.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C30ED6D.CD3FEB97@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > > What does it say that you prefer to believe a man unqualified to carry out
> > > the task, rather than a panel of experts on the subject?
> >
> > Panel of experts under the control of an international "Gangster
> > Organization"?
> 
> What "Gangster Organization", phlegmboy? You keep whining about "Gangster
> Organizations", but when you are challenged, you cannot name them!
> 
> Why? Simple -- they do not exist. You're lying, and you know it.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com


The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein

ISBN 1-85984-323-9 page 8 says:

The current campaign of the Holocaust industry to extort money from
Europe in the name of "greedy Holocaust victims" has shrunk to the moral
stature of their martyrdom to that of a Monte Carlo casino.

Does the word Extortion ring a bell with you? Gangster extort money from
their victims. So do Jewish Organizations!

Start with the Jewish Claims Conference and work your way up and down
the list. Close your eyes and select some more and when you are
finished, think of yourself as humanities scum bag and waste yourself!

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G Brown is Ken McVay's stooge and fart. A Holocaust denier and a
Liar, Liar, Liar.


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Except for Jews!

Werner Knoll

SW wrote:
> 
> Kurt Knoll  wrote in message
> news:3c30ff28_1@binaries.vphos.net...
> > Hey McVay you are an cover up artist. Certainly the Jews have enough power
> > to control the media.
> > And certainly they do not advertise it. But this does not mean it does not
> > happen. Tell me what you are trying to accomplish
> > here. Will you and the people you represent here take someone to court if
> he
> > thinks he or she has enough proof
> > to say so. What will you do to this poor person to destroy him what dirty
> > trick will you and your kind really
> > play.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> 
> Knucklehead, do you realize that, if Canada ever outlaws stupidity, you and
> your retard brother will be deported?
> 
> sw


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C30EF29.759D538C@telus.net...
> 



> > > Rolf Steininger of the University of Innsbruck, author of a two-volume
> > > history of the occupation of Germany;
> > >
> > > James Tent of the University of Alabama-Birmingham, author of "Mission
> on
> > > the Rhine";
> > >
> > > Brian Villa of the University of Ottawa, author of "Unauthorized Action:
> > > Mountbatten and the Dieppe Raid."
> > >
> > > Stephen E. Ambrose is the director of the Eisenhower Center at the
> > > University of New Orleans.
> > >
> > > You never fail to respond with a stupid statement about something you
> are
> > > completely ignorant of. That's why you're so easy to expose as a
> mindless
> > > Jew hater driven by your consuming hatred.
> 
> > Perhaps your experts had a blow job performed by a Jewish girl?
> 
> Took the wind out of your sails, eh Werner!
> 
> What's the problem, never had a blow job?
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Never had a blow job but I pissed on my boss once and he thought it was
brake fluid dropping down at him.

You see it worked like this... P. J. Davis and me were working on a
crane 120 feed above the ground as the boss on the ground was giving
order to the crew. P. J. didn't like our boss at all and told me, he
wishes to get even with the boss.

I said... P. J. now is your chance to get even with him. so we both
pissed down and let him have it.


Werner Knoll


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C30ED6D.CD3FEB97@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:



> > > Yup, here it is, showing how Bacque lies about the deaths that did
> occur,
> > > and makes egregious errors with the statistics.
> >
> > Since when will an error in statistics the deciding factor and whose
> > statistics to count?
> 
> He misread the data which resulted in him overestimating the number of
> deaths by 10 times the actual.

And because of this there was no suffering at this camps? nobody died
needlessly and the Americans were all saints who could do no harm? :-)))
> 


> 
>  Stephen E. Ambrose is the director of the Eisenhower Center at the
>  University of New Orleans.
> 


What have all this historians in common? They all have to make a living!
What happened to Historian who do not agree with the Jewish version?
They would be blackmailed!

Take Bacque for example. He never claimed to be a historian but his
writing infringe on Jewish interest by diminishing the Holocaust in the
eye's of the public. That is why he has to be discredited!



> > If I were able to travel... I would visit Eisenhower grave side and SHIT
> > on it!!
> 
> But you're not eh :-).
> 
> > What a bastard he was!
> 
> Nah, he was a hero. You're a piece of human filth, soon to be history.

You must be talking about Jews?

He was a filthy Dreckschwein who said one thing but done something else!
Did he or did he  say German help agency have the duty to look after the
needs of Germans but eliminated this agency's?


> > But the could afford to burn food in front of our eyes!
> 
> You're word is not credible evidence.

Really? We were evacuated from Nürnberg after our home was bombed out.
In 1945 Kurt and me tried to bring food and water to German prisoners of
war in Geißelwind but were prevented from doing so by American soldiers.

Coming back to Nürnberg we were stopped by American Soldiers from
recovering surplus food they were burning so civilians could not get it!
I remember very well. One day in the evening the came with a truck on
the corner of Regensburger and Scharrer Straße. dropped a load of
chicken, put some gasoline on it and set it on fire. They made sure sure
none of us get too close by pointing their machine pistols on us. As it
looked that everything  was smoldering they left. We recovered some
slightly burned chickens  and took it home to eat.



> > Most likely he learned that from Jewish Organizations!
> 
> Mr. Ambrose is a distinguished historian. You are a pile of Nazi shit.

Who is trying to protect his version of history!

> 
> --
> Philip Mathews


Werner Knoll


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> --
> "Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor;  but even supposing
> knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be
> ignorant than would take even a little trouble to attain it."
> 
> Samuel Johnson

He was talking about you!

Werner Knoll

> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C312D4A.F5155A3C@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:
> > >
> > > "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> > > news:3C30EF29.759D538C@telus.net...


> > Never had a blow job but I pissed on my boss once and he thought it was
> > brake fluid dropping down at him.
> 
> That explains a lot.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> "Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor;  but even supposing
> knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be
> ignorant than would take even a little trouble to attain it."
> 
> Samuel Johnson

Is this a rerun?

Werner Knoll


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Hi Philip Mathews?

"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C313569.FF5EBAEE@telus.net>, Naziboy Knoll 
> wrote:
> 
> > What have all this historians in common? They all have to make a living!
> > What happened to Historian who do not agree with the Jewish version?
> > They would be blackmailed!
> 
> Prove it, pinhead. Show us an instance in which a historian has been
> "blackmailed" because he did not "agree with the Jewish version".

Threatening with lawsuits is blackmailing in another form!

> 
> You can't -- because it has never happened. You're a lying moron, just like your
> imbecile brother.
> 
> > Take Bacque for example. He never claimed to be a historian but his
> > writing infringe on Jewish interest by diminishing the Holocaust in the
> > eye's of the public. That is why he has to be discredited!
> 
> Bacque discredited himself by lying, Naziboy -- just like you and your brother
> did.

He is not a Jew so he does not have to lie but he is a threat to Jewish
gangster organizations by pointing out that your bastard friends have no
monopoly in suffering!!


> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > Coming back to Nürnberg we were stopped by American Soldiers from
> > recovering surplus food they were burning so civilians could not get it!
> > I remember very well. One day in the evening the came with a truck on
> > the corner of Regensburger and Scharrer Straße. dropped a load of
> > chicken, put some gasoline on it and set it on fire. They made sure sure
> > none of us get too close by pointing their machine pistols on us. As it
> > looked that everything  was smoldering they left. We recovered some
> > slightly burned chickens  and took it home to eat.
> 
> You're a lying piece of crap with zero credibility, Naziboy. Take your post-war
> fairy tales and shove 'em sideways. No one but you and your cretin brother
> believe your lies.

You scum bag are only doing your job for the holocaust industry!


> 
> > > > Most likely he learned that from Jewish Organizations!
> > >
> > > Mr. Ambrose is a distinguished historian. You are a pile of Nazi shit.
> >
> > Who is trying to protect his version of history!
> 
> Your "version of history" is a lie from beginning to end, old fool.
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com

And you are a humane scum bag working for Jewish extortionist's
Organizations.

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G. Brown is Ken McVays foreskin. A Holocaust denier and a Liar,
Liar, Liar. Working for Jewish Organizations made him that way!


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C313569.FF5EBAEE@telus.net...
> >
> >
> > Philip Mathews wrote:
> > >

> > > He misread the data which resulted in him overestimating the number of
> > > deaths by 10 times the actual.
> >
> > And because of this there was no suffering at this camps? nobody died
> > needlessly and the Americans were all saints who could do no harm? :-)))
> > >

> > What have all this historians in common? They all have to make a living!
> > What happened to Historian who do not agree with the Jewish version?
> > They would be blackmailed!
> >
> > Take Bacque for example. He never claimed to be a historian but his
> > writing infringe on Jewish interest by diminishing the Holocaust in the
> > eye's of the public. That is why he has to be discredited!
> >
> >

> > > Nah, he was a hero. You're a piece of human filth, soon to be history.
> >
> > You must be talking about Jews?
> >
> > He was a filthy Dreckschwein who said one thing but done something else!
> > Did he or did he  say German help agency have the duty to look after the
> > needs of Germans but eliminated this agency's?
> >
>
> > Really? We were evacuated from Nürnberg after our home was bombed out.
> > In 1945 Kurt and me tried to bring food and water to German prisoners of
> > war in Geißelwind but were prevented from doing so by American soldiers.
> >
> > Coming back to Nürnberg we were stopped by American Soldiers from
> > recovering surplus food they were burning so civilians could not get it!
> > I remember very well. One day in the evening the came with a truck on
> > the corner of Regensburger and Scharrer Straße. dropped a load of
> > chicken, put some gasoline on it and set it on fire. They made sure sure
> > none of us get too close by pointing their machine pistols on us. As it
> > looked that everything  was smoldering they left. We recovered some
> > slightly burned chickens  and took it home to eat.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Most likely he learned that from Jewish Organizations!
> > >
> > > Mr. Ambrose is a distinguished historian. You are a pile of Nazi shit.
> >
> > Who is trying to protect his version of history!
> 
> Denial of history is not a version of history.

Denial of whose history?

***************************************************
Here is what Nick from Greece wrote:
History is truly written by the victor, regardless of nationality. The
victors were the Americans for so many years. As such it comes as no
surprise that so many Germans would adopt American political correctness
in their dealings with their own history. This is a scary concept when
one thinks that there must be two sides to every story.

******************************************************
> 
> Just as you are not decent human being.

In order to fight dirt I have to lower myself to your standards!


> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

I do hope to live long enough to see the destruction of Israel!

Werner Knoll


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C313711.95756D94@telus.net...
> >
> >



> > > > Never had a blow job but I pissed on my boss once and he thought it
> was
> > > > brake fluid dropping down at him.
> 
> > > That explains a lot.
> 
> > Is this a rerun?
> 
> I don't know, how often did you piss on your boss?

Not often enough!


> 
> --
> Philip Mathews
> 
> "Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor;  but even supposing
> knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be
> ignorant than would take even a little trouble to attain it."
> 
> Samuel Johnson

Samuel is writing about you again! You never learn?

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into an extortion
business!


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SW wrote:
> 
> Kurt Knoll  wrote in message
> news:3c3110fa_1@binaries.vphos.net...
> > You don't have enough live left in your Jewish brain. Anyone who knows
> > people like you and there likes
> > are definitely on my site. Capish.
> >
> > Kurt Knoll.
> 
> Knucklehead, have you and your retarded brother ever considered hiring a
> translator to convert your gibberish into English?
> 
> sw

Why? since when are people interested in proper grammar when all the
want is to piss on each other?

Testing, Testing? Piss into the swimming pool when in the water or piss
in the water from the 10 foot springboard and let me know when people
notice you?

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazis into an extortion
business!


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C313569.FF5EBAEE@telus.net...
> 
 
> > > He misread the data which resulted in him overestimating the number of
> > > deaths by 10 times the actual.
> 
> > And because of this there was no suffering at this camps? nobody died
> > needlessly and the Americans were all saints who could do no harm? :-)))
> 
> We're talking about the egregious lies in Bacque's work which you post as
> fact.
> 
> Between 50-60,000 German POWs died, mostly from starvation. This has nothing
> to do with Americans being Saints. But you post the lies of a man who claims
> 1 million German POWs died  because they were denied available food.

That is your interpretation of his writings!

My interpretation? He brought to light what everyone of us suspected,
the fact that Americans were not much better than the Nazis.

In my mind he confirmed what Kurt and I were told by our oldest brothers
Hans, Jean, friends and relatives about condition in this camps and the
condition when they were in when they came back home and what we seen
for ourselves.

My answer to why Bacque has to be discredited by you and Jewish Gangster
organizations. He had the courage against all odds to portray the
Americans for what the really are and that is against the wishes of
Jewish Gangster organizations!

> 
> Even someone of your limited intelligence ought to see the difference in
> those scenarios.
> 
> > >  Stephen E. Ambrose is the director of the Eisenhower Center at the
> > >  University of New Orleans.
> 
> > What have all this historians in common? They all have to make a living!
> > What happened to Historian who do not agree with the Jewish version?
> > They would be blackmailed!
> 
> Name one historian who did not agree?

They sure will tell me. :-))))

> 
> If you can't then we're free to point out you're full of  shit, correct!
> >
> > Take Bacque for example. He never claimed to be a historian but his
> > writing infringe on Jewish interest by diminishing the Holocaust in the
> > eye's of the public. That is why he has to be discredited!
> 
> He was discredited because he wrote lies and made serious mistakes of
> scholarship.

You interpretation...

> 
> You don't care that he lied and made serious mistakes of scholarship,
> because you are a liar who wants to believe an historical lie.

Because the Nazis were not efficient to kill "ALL" of you I have to put
up with your bullshit!



> > You must be talking about Jews?
> 
> I'm talking about you, for the short time you have left.
> >
> > He was a filthy Dreckschwein who said one thing but done something else!
> 
> This from a lying piece of filth not worthy of shining his shoes!

His shoes are perhaps on display in Israel?

> 
> > Did he or did he  say German help agency have the duty to look after the
> > needs of Germans but eliminated this agency's?
> 
> Evidence?

I just eat it. Lick to have it back? Open your mouth. Wide I said! I had
a drink with it. You like to have that too?

> 
> > > > But the could afford to burn food in front of our eyes!
> > >
> > > You're word is not credible evidence.
> >
> > Really?
> 
> Really!
> 
> You are a proven liar. Your claims of personal experience are not reliable
> evidence.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

And you are a scum bag to humanity. Go and sniff anthrax. Will you!

Werner Knoll


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Eisenshit coming up. Choke on it you excrement!

Eisenhower:
*From the book "OTHER LOSSES" by James Bacque. The book order number is
ISBN 0 - 7736 - 7309 - 1 This is a Revised Edition.

Page VIII 1947 - 1950s Most records of U.S. prison camps are destroyed.
Germans determine that over 1,700,000 soldiers alive at war's end, never
returned home.  All Allies deny responsibility; the U.S., Britain and
France accuse Russia of atrocities in camps.
1960 - 1972 The West German Foreign Office under Willi Brandt subsidizes
books that deny atrocities in U.S. camps.  U.S. Senators accuse Russians
of atrocities, but say nothing of U.S. camps.

Page 9  There would be massive starvation if the industrial base were
destroyed. According to Gordel Hull the secretary of state, "the
Morgenthau Plan would wipe out everything in Germany except land, and
the Germans would have to live on the land.  This meant that only 60
percent of the German population could support themselves on German
land, and the other 40 percent would die." Hull is speaking here of the
deaths of about 20 million German civilians. Churchill said the plan was
"unnatural, unchristian and unnecessary" 

Page 17 Eisenhower and his staff were responsible for the care and
feeding of all prisoners according to the Geneva Convention.

Page 25 The minimum to maintain life for adults lying down, doing no
work but self-care, varies from 1,000 to 2,250 calories per day,
according to various experts.

Page 30 The "chaos" which Eisenhower had said would prevent the Germans
>from feeding themselves was of course going to be created by the Allies
themselves, because they would dismantle the central German
institutions, including welfare agencies. There was no more German
institution.

Page 34 "German supplies were uncovered in huge quantities.  The supply
officers in the field could not get what they needed for the prisoners,
because the commanding general refused to issue it. In some camps, the
men were so crowded they could not even lie down.
Page 36 The German Division Commander reported that the men had not
eaten for the last two day's, and the provision of water was a mayor
problem-yet only 200 yards away was the river Rhine running bank-full.
One inmate at Rheinberg was over 80 years old and another was nine...

 
Page 38 Our clothing was infected and so was the mud where we had to
walk and sit and lie down.  There was no water at all at first, except
the rain, then after a couple of weeks we could get a little water from
a standpipe.  But most of use had nothing to carry it in, so we could
get only get a few mouthfuls after hours of lining up. 

Page 179 Brigadier General Bayne-Jones admits that one of the causes of
disaster in the camp was that the prisoners were deprived of their
messing equipment so that food could not be cooked or distributed
properly.

Page 39  "The Americans were really shitty to us," said Heinz T. at the
beginning, when there were still trees in the camp, some men managed to
cut of some limbs to build a fire.  The guards ordered them to put it
out. In many of the cages, there were forbidden to dig holes in the
ground for shelter. "All we had to eat was grass,"

Page 40 Georg Weiss, a tank repairman, said his camp on the Rhine was so
crowded that "we couldn't even lie down properly.  All night we had to
sit up jammed against each other. But the lack of water was the worst
think of all.  For three and a half days we had no water at all.  We
would drink our own urine.  It tasted terrible, but what could you do? 
Some men got down on the ground and licked the ground to get some
moisture.  I was so weak I was already on my knees, when finally got a
little water to drink.  I think I would have died without that water. 
But the Rhine was just outside the wire.  The guards sold us water
through wire and cigarettes.  One cigarette cost 900 marks.  I saw
thousands dying.  They took the bodies away on trucks.

Page 45 Wolfgang Iff said that in his sub-section of perhaps 10,000
people at Rheinberg, 30 to 40 bodies were dragged out every day. A
member of the burial commando, Iff was well placed to see what was going
on.  He got extra food so he would help drag the dead from the cage to
the gate of the camp, where they carried them in wheelbarrows to several
big steel garages. They stripped the corpses of clothing, snapped of
half the aluminum dog tag, spread the bodies in layers of fifteen to
twenty, threw ten shovelsfull of quicklime lime over them, and stacked
them one meter high. 

Page 46 The prisoners were never told what happened to the corpses, but
German construction crews in the fifties and gravediggers in the
eighties have discovered at Rheinberg human remains with German Army
World War II aluminum dog tags jumbled closely together in a common
graves with no sign of coffin or gravemarker.

Page 58 Field Marshal Montgomery believed the Americans had loaded
themselves down with huge numbers of prisoners out of vainglory, not
military necessity.

 Page 64 May first and June 15, 1945 the Medical Corps officers recorded
a horrendous death rate, 80 times as high as anything they had ever
observed in their lives.  They efficiently totted up the cause of death:
so many from dysentery and diarrhea, so many from typhoid fever,
tetanus, septicemia. 

 Page 65 The surveying doctors were calm in their knowledge the "former
patients" like young Heinz T. Were taken from their hospital beds and
send sick and half-naked into barbed wire cages to sleep in mud, while
thousands of beds in the hospitals went empty.

Page 68   "This wasn't good journalism," said Charles Lynch, the
Canadian war correspondent.  "It wasn't journalism at all."  By the end
of May more people had died in the U.S. camps than died in the atomic
blast at Hiroshima.  Not a word reached the press.

 
Page 73 and Page 74 As the French, American, British and Canadian
prisoners numbering about 2,000,000 were leaving German barbed wire for
freedom that spring, the Red Cross was there to welcome them with food
parcels drawn from the millions still in storage in their warehouses in
Switzerland. The returning prisoners thanked the Red Cross for saving
their lives with the food parcels send to them in the camps.  From the
Germans the had received about 1,500 calories per day.  The
effectiveness of the Red Cross care was demonstrated in a single figure:
over 98% of the captured men were coming home safe, according to a news
release or the American Red Cross in May 1945.  They were in good health
thanks not only to the food but also the clothing and medicine, which
had arrived safely by mail.

Page 80 So vengeance assumed the name of duty. In order to keep Quakers
>from helping children, Eisenhower invokes the "duty" of the Germans to
do what they were prevented from doing.  The "German Agencies" that he
mentioned to Marshall did not exist, because they were forbidden or
drastically curtailed in the U.S. zone of Germany and remained so for
over a year.  "Strictly speaking, there was no German Red Cross,"
because it had been abolished by the Allies.

Page 147 Inside Germany, Eisenhower or his deputies ran everything, so
censorship was much easier to maintain.  Newspapers, radio-stations,
book publishers, even movie theaters had to have licenses to operate in
the U.S. zone.  For a long time, they had no freedom, but free
propaganda.

Page 184 Former West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer who deplored the
U.S. death camps along the Rhine in very strong terms.  He said: Some of
the German POWs are being held in camps in a manner contrary to all
humanitarian principles and flagrantly contrary to the Geneva
Convention.  The German prisoners have been penned up for weeks without
any protection from the weather without drinking water, without medical
care and with only a few slices of bread to eat.  They could not even
lie down on the ground.  But ordinary people say "Any person who treats
POWs this way is not much better than the Nazis.  I know that the
Russian prisoners were badly treated by the Germans in 1941 and 1942 and
we ought to be ashamed of the fact, but I feel that you ought not to do
the same thing.  German prisoners too in camps ate grass and picked
leaves from the trees because they were hungry exactly as the Russians
unfortunately did.... Please allow me to say frankly, in very important
matters... the Allies have used the same methods as the Germans.




Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazi's into a shield
against critizism


Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C313569.FF5EBAEE@telus.net...
> 
> > > > Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> > > > > Yup, here it is, showing how Bacque lies about the deaths that did
> > > occur,
> > > > > and makes egregious errors with the statistics.
> 
> > > > Since when will an error in statistics the deciding factor and whose
> > > > statistics to count?


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Philip Mathews wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C31F1A7.AB7B568B@telus.net...
> 
> > Eisenshit coming up. Choke on it you excrement!
> 
> >
> > Eisenhower:
> > *From the book "OTHER LOSSES" by James Bacque. The book order number is
> > ISBN 0 - 7736 - 7309 - 1 This is a Revised Edition.
> >
> > Page VIII 1947 - 1950s Most records of U.S. prison camps are destroyed.
> > Germans determine that over 1,700,000 soldiers alive at war's end, never
> > returned home.
> 
> Yes, but they were lost on the Soviet side of war, not on the US side as
> Bacque attempts to claim.

Back again:

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Page VIII 1947 - 1950s Most records of U.S. prison camps are destroyed.
Germans determine that over 1,700,000 soldiers alive at war's end, never
returned home.  All Allies deny responsibility; the U.S., Britain and
France accuse Russia of atrocities in camps.
1960 - 1972 The West German Foreign Office under Willi Brandt subsidizes
books that deny atrocities in U.S. camps.  U.S. Senators accuse Russians
of atrocities, but say nothing of U.S. camps.

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Now its the Russians who done it? That leave the butler out?






> 
> From: H-GERMAN EDITOR Dan Rogers 
> List Editor: H-GERMAN EDITOR Dan Rogers 
> Editor's Subject: German POWs
> Author's Subject: German POWs
> Date Written: Wed, 24 May 1995 19:39:28 -0500
> Date Posted: Wed, 24 May 1995 19:39:28 -0500
> 
> Submitted by:   Douglas Peifer 
> 
[...[ 

Same shit as Ambroses doing damage control!


> >All Allies deny responsibility; the U.S., Britain and
> > France accuse Russia of atrocities in camps.
> 
> Yup.

Your shit coming up? Or need to be burped? Let me give you a kick on
your behind?


> 
> > 1960 - 1972 The West German Foreign Office under Willi Brandt subsidizes
> > books that deny atrocities in U.S. camps.  U.S. Senators accuse Russians
> > of atrocities, but say nothing of U.S. camps.
> 
> Because Bacque's charges of what occurred in US camps are false.

Because you say so? :-)))


> 
> > Page 9  There would be massive starvation if the industrial base were
> > destroyed. According to Gordel Hull the secretary of state, "the
> > Morgenthau Plan would wipe out everything in Germany except land, and
> > the Germans would have to live on the land.  This meant that only 60
> > percent of the German population could support themselves on German
> > land, and the other 40 percent would die." Hull is speaking here of the
> > deaths of about 20 million German civilians. Churchill said the plan was
> > "unnatural, unchristian and unnecessary"
> 
> The Morgenthau Plan was never implemented.

The Germans have too thank the Russians for that! Germany was needed as
a defense against communism and the were worth alive than death. How
much money sucked the Holocaust Mafia out of Germany's economy since
1945 for their wise decision not to go ahead with the Morgenthau plan?


> 
> > Page 17 Eisenhower and his staff were responsible for the care and
> > feeding of all prisoners according to the Geneva Convention.
> 
> > Page 25 The minimum to maintain life for adults lying down, doing no
> > work but self-care, varies from 1,000 to 2,250 calories per day,
> > according to various experts.
> 
> http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//b/bacque.james/ambrose.0
> 01
> 
>    Mr. Bacque says that the prisoners were receiving 1,550 calories a
>    day, and he contends that such a ration means slow starvation. He
>    apparently never looked at what civilians were getting, in Germany
>    or in the liberated countries. In Paris in 1945, the calorie level
>    was 1,550 for civilians. It was only slightly higher in Briatin,
>    where rationing continued. It was much lower in Russia, where
>    rationing also continued. As noted, the official ration for German
>    civilians was 1,550, but often not met. In Vienna in the summer of
>    1945 the official ration sometimes fell to 500.
> 
> > Page 30 The "chaos" which Eisenhower had said would prevent the Germans
> > from feeding themselves was of course going to be created by the Allies
> > themselves, because they would dismantle the central German
> > institutions, including welfare agencies. There was no more German
> > institution.
> 
> Welfare agencies can't grow food!

How than will food reach needy people if there is no distribution
network for it?

> 
> There was a food shortage in Europe following the war.

That is true. But that is no excuse for destroying food!

> 
> > Page 34 "German supplies were uncovered in huge quantities.  The supply
> > officers in the field could not get what they needed for the prisoners,
> > because the commanding general refused to issue it. In some camps, the
> > men were so crowded they could not even lie down.
> 
> There were not hugh supplies, there was limited supply. And it was not the
> responsibility of the German supply officers to distribute food, but of the
> Americans who had responsibilty for all people within it's area of control.

Have you seen how much supply was there?


> 
> (quote)
> 
> What happened is simple enough: the Allies could not afford to feed
>    the millions of German prisoners at the same level at which they
>    were able to feed German civilians, not to mention the civilians of
>    the liberated countries of Western Europe, and not to mention as
>    well the displaced persons. But the United States and other Allied
>    nations had signed the Geneva Convention, which had the force of a
>    treaty. They did not wish to violate it, so they used the new
>    designation of "Disarmed Enemy Forces." The orders to the field
>    commanders were straighforward: do not feed the DEF's at a higher
>    scale than German civilians.

Ambroses damage control again!

> 
> (end quote)
> 
> Ibid
> 
> > Page 36 The German Division Commander reported that the men had not
> > eaten for the last two day's, and the provision of water was a mayor
> > problem-yet only 200 yards away was the river Rhine running bank-full.
> > One inmate at Rheinberg was over 80 years old and another was nine...
> 
> It was the same all over Europe. Bacque's contention that this was peculiar
> to German POWs, or deliberate, is what is a lie.

Really? :-))))

> 
> (quote)

> Publishing the same lies over and over again only reveals you as a liar.
> 
> --
> Philip Mathews

Subject; Re: Eisenhowers GIFT to McVay
Date: 31 May 1999 xxxxx
>From xxxxxx (Kenneth McVay OBC)
xxxxxxxxx

Archive/File  xxxxx
Last - Modified 1998/07/04

Ike and the Disappearing Atrocities by Stephen E. Ambrose

Neil Cameron... It seems clear to Mr. Cameron that Mr. Bacque got an old
man to agree with words that Mr. Bacque used and than put in his
mouth...

End

A clear indication of damage control by con artist's

Werner Knoll


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Eugene Holman wrote:
> 
> In article <3c3323c2_1@binaries.vphos.net>, "Kurt Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > Get real Holman whatever he scored points or not is not important here. What
> > is important to know is part of the
> > trial was blacked out.
> 
> David Irving himself ensured that the entire transcript of the trial
> was posted at his website. What evidence do you have that part of the
> trial was, despite his efforts, blacked out?
> 
> > The people how hat listened to the proceedings maybe
> > have no access to the transcript. And
> > if the transcript is not in full no one will ever know what was in it.
> 
> David Irving himself posted the transcripts and commented on them
> liberally. He never suggested or implied that there would have been
> have been foul play.

An indication that the general public was not well informed by the news
media!

> 
> > As
> > for Jewish control of the media you have
> > to analyze yourself.
> 
> That English sentence is ambiguous:

Look whose running the news media here in Canada:

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Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html

NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET 
by Doug Collins

LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."

"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet 
operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In 
British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The 
Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist 
Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).

Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a 
small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the 
publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive 
Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings 
took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the 
newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former 
columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
Not even in a letter to the editor.

The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has 
"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role 
as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense 
about the paper having to reduce costs.

It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish 
Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left, 
although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a 
thing. But what else could it be?

Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In 
1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as 
"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in 
North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the 
Association's award for outstanding column writing.

The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by 
Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
order.

There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not 
surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000 
bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
International Communications Ltd.

Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps 
they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great 
Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.

Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days 
would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun 
and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for 
instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the 
North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making. 
Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?

One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had 
made such a grab? 

When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!




****************************************************

Werner Knoll
> 
> 1. Sie müssen sich selbst analysieren (als wäre ich selbst ein
> Massenmedien kontrollierender Jude).
> 2. Sie müssen die Frage, ob die Massenmedien von den Juden kontrolliert
> werden, selbst analysieren.
> 
> Welchen Vorschlag, mein guter Herr Knoll, haben Sie gemacht?
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Eugene Holman


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article , Kanuk 
> wrote:
> 
> > The Jewish mass media turned on and off their coverage
> > like a spigot, to present the pro-"H"olocaust spin.
> 
> A fact-free allegation repeated is still a fact-free allegation. Show evidence
> of your alleged media "blackouts".
> 
> > [...deletia...]
> 
> > I believe it was
> > at the Zundel trial, specifically the Leuchter report - showing no evidence
> > of cyanide residue in the Auschwitz "gas chamber" but lots in the de-lousing
> > chamber - that caused Irving to see the Auschwitz "gas chamber" tale as a
> > hoax.
> 
> The Leuchter report did NOT show 'no evidence of cyanide residue in the
> Auschwitz "gas chamber"', lying coward. Leuchter himself had to explain away his
> findings of cyanide residues in the Krema samples by postulating that they had
> been fumigated "once, long ago". Alas, the fumigation of the camp took place a
> year before the Kremas were constructed.
> 
> Stay stupid, lying coward...
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com

Lets see who is the lying coward...

Leuchter sends a sample from Auschwitz to a US lab. The fart from the
lab finds no measurable amount of poison in that sample, Some  asshole
monkey  for the chosen one, masquerading as a historian talks about
Leuchter desecrating a holy side, and tells people Leuchter should have
been looking in the houses across who were build from Auschwitz bricks.

Now come Jeffrey who is pissed of because he could not sit on Ken
McVay's dick and likes piss around for Nizkor!

Go an waste yourself fart and take your friends with you

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G. Brown is Ken McVay's stooge and fart. A Holocaust denier and
a Liar, Liar, Liar.


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No... But as a result of this they had a chance to tell the world that
the need a country of their own. They perfected the art of extortion by
sucking future German generation try. 

This swindler organization have convinced the world that their suffering
can be converted into an income source for generations to come!

The Holocaust Industry by Norman Finkelstein. ISBN 1-85984-323-9

Page 8:
The current campaign of the Holocaust industry to extort money from
Europe in the name of "needy Holocaust victims" has shrunk the moral
stature of their martyrdom to that of a Monte Carlo casino.

Werner Knoll
Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazi's into a shield
against criticism

Naggi wrote:
> 
> Is it true that the so called 'death camps' were actually built after WW2 by
> jews living in the locality as tourist attractions?
> 
> "Kurt Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3c38ca66_1@binaries.vphos.net...
> > The Holocaust industries is most certainly exempt from this new law just
> > wait and see. And this also will be
> > the first time in this world histories where whole nations are forced to
> > believe. No histories written by anyone
> > is perfect. The Holocaust histories is the most disputed one since
> > Manipulation and Intimidations play a major
> > role. A very clear indications why it is so important for the Jews to pass
> > laws like this to protect their investment.
> > By using tactics that the Italian Mafia has used to silence witnesses for
> > the Defense.
> > I can clearly see how someone will come forward and argue the Contrary
> what
> > I am saying. The problem with
> > guys is their proper education and the naivety in the grew up in.
> > Kurt Knoll.
> > ===========
> > "Shiff Watch"
> 
> > wrote in message news:15hh3ucjpfe16cgh0mtj1hj12o7qo8ta3v@4ax.com...
> > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 12:41:16 -0800, <3c07ef4b$0$189@news.impulse.net>
> > "Waldo"
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > >The Big Red Jewish Machine is in high gear in Europe.
> > > >
> > > >Full story available at:
> > >
> > > << > > distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed
> > > a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit
> > > research and educational purposes only. - FAIR USE INTENDED>>>
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/29/wrace
> > 29.xml&sSheet=/portal/2001/11/29/por_right.html
> > >
> > > EU considers plans to outlaw racism
> > > By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Brussels
> > > (Filed: 29/11/2001)
> > >
> > > RACISM and xenophobia would become serious crimes in Britain for the
> first
> > time,
> > > carrying a prison sentence of two years or more, under new proposals put
> > forward
> > > by Brussels yesterday.
> > >
> > > Holocaust denial or "trivialisation" of Nazi atrocities would be banned,
> > along
> > > with and participation in any group that promotes race hate.
> > >
> > > The plans, drafted by the European Commission, define racism and
> xenophobi
> > a as
> > > aversion to individuals based on "race, colour, descent, religion or
> > belief,
> > > national or ethnic origin".
> > >
> > > Ordinary crimes would carry heavier penalities if they are motivated in
> > any way
> > > by racism or xenophobia, or if the culprit is carrying out "professional
> > > activity", such as a police officer. Some of the crimes listed are,
> > broadly
> > > speaking, offences under British law already, such as public incitement
> to
> > > violence.
> > >
> > > But the list also a covers a wide range of activities that sometimes
> fall
> > into
> > > the sphere of protected political speech, such as "public insults" of
> > minority
> > > groups, "public condoning of war crimes", and "public dissemination of
> > tracts,
> > > pictures, or other material containing expressions of racism of
> > xenophobia" -
> > > including material posted on far-Right internet websites.
> > >
> > > It was not clear yesterday how the law would affect radical Islamic
> groups
> > that
> > > openly promote anti-Semitic and anti-Christian views.
> > >
> > > Nor was it clear how it would apply to political parties opposed to mass
> > > immigration, such as Austria's Freedom Party, Belgium's Vlaams Blok, and
> > the
> > > Danish People's Party, all of which have become serious political
> forces.
> > >
> > > The law could potentially cover many stand-up comedians, and even Anne
> > Robinson,
> > > who, during an appearance on BBC television this year, described the
> Welsh
> > as
> > > "irritating".
> > >
> > > The proposals, which will require the unanimous backing of all 15
> states,
> > are
> > > aimed at ending the patchwork of different laws across the European
> Union
> > and
> > > establishing a common definition that can be used by all judges. The
> > commission
> > > appears to have adopted the most restrictive code - Germany's - as the
> > basis for
> > > the rest of the EU.
> > >
> > > Leonello Gabrici, the Commission's judicial spokesman, denied that there
> > was any
> > > intention of curbing political expression. "This totally respects free
> > speech.
> > > It will be up to judges to decide where the balance lies" he said.
> > >
> > > The United Kingdom Independence Party said yesterday that it could be
> > targeted
> > > by the new rules, noting that the Oxford English Dictionary definition
> of
> > > xenophobia is "a morbid fear of foreigners or foreign countries".
> > >
> > > Nigel Farage MEP, the party's chairman, said: "I'm morbidly xenophobic
> > about
> > > this new country called the European Union, so if that is covered by
> this
> > law
> > > then I'm most certainly xenophobic and I could be extradited anywhere.
> So
> > I'm
> > > going to make sure my overnight bag is packed and ready."
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > >WorldNetDaily conducted a poll asking whether America should follow the
> > lead
> > > >of the European Lemmings:
> > > >
> > > >http://www.wnd.com/polls/
> > > >
> > > >WND Poll Question: "Should the U.S. follow Europe's lead and consider
> > > >outlawing racism?"
> > > >
> > > >Poll Results:
> > > >
> > > >No, it's PC run amok 47.63% (1887)
> > > >
> > > >No, it's unconstitutional 39.15% (1551)
> > > >
> > > >No 8.48% (336)
> > > >
> > > >Yes, but legislation should balance civil-liberty concerns 2.15% (85)
> > > >
> > > >Yes, it's about time 1.09% (43)
> > > >
> > > >Not sure 1.01% (40)
> > > >
> > > >Yes 0.50% (20)
> > > >
> > > >-----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >TOTAL VOTES: 3962
> > > >
> > > >3,774 to 148.
> > > >
> > > >It appears that the Jews at the Anti Defamation League of the B'nai
> Brith
> > > >have their work cut out for them.
> > > >
> > > >Waldo
> > > >
> > > >Observer at Large
> > >
> > > You're right on Waldo!
> > >
> > > Doc Tavish
> >
> >


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Fred wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll  wrote in message news:<3C391793.9BCB2870@telus.net>...
> > No... But as a result of this they had a chance to tell the world that
> > the need a country of their own. They perfected the art of extortion by
> > sucking future German generation try.
> >
> > This swindler organization have convinced the world that their suffering
> > can be converted into an income source for generations to come!
> >
> > The Holocaust Industry by Norman Finkelstein. ISBN 1-85984-323-9
> >
> > Page 8:
> > The current campaign of the Holocaust industry to extort money from
> > Europe in the name of "needy Holocaust victims" has shrunk the moral
> > stature of their martyrdom to that of a Monte Carlo casino.
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> > Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazi's into a shield
> > against criticism
> >

> > > >JEWS ALWAYS HAVE TO RETORT TO CALLING ANYONE WHO CRITICISES
> ISRAEL AS A NAZI, ANTI-SEMITE OR A SELF HATING JEW (WHATEVER THE FUCK
> THAT IS?, THEY ARE ALL FUCKING LIARS WHO KILL CHILDREN AND THEN CRY
> ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST WHICH SUPPOSEDLY KILLED 6 MILLION JEWS OVER 55
> YEARS AGO, THEY ARE LIARS WHO  WONT LET ANYONE QUESTION JEWISH
> VERSIONS OF HISTORY. (E.G WATCH THE POSTS ABOUT THE JEWS ATTACKING ANY
> HISTORIAN QUESTIONING WHETHER 6MILLION REALLY DIED, WHY IS IT O.K TO
> QUESTION HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED IN OTHER WARS BUT NOT WHEN IT COMES TO
> THE SO CALLED HOLOCAUST IN THE 2ND WW IN WHICH 60 MILLION NON-JEWS
> DIED).
> 
> FUCKING YIDS USE THE HOLOCAUST TO GET SYMPATHY FOR THEMSELVES AND TO
> LEACH MONEY FROM PEOPLE ASWELL AS MAKING IT INTO A FUCKING BUSINESS.
> 
> JEWS ARE ALL LEECHES WHO STEAL MONEY FROM AMERICAN TAXPAYERS SO THEY
> CAN GO AND KILL LITTLE KIDS AND STEAL THEIR LAND, BOMB AND RAPE  AND
> THEN CALL THE PEOPLE WHO FIGHT BACK TERRORISTS.
> 
> SEPTEMBER 11TH HAPPENED BECAUSE OF JEWS
> 
> THE JEWS ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS, THEY KILLED BRITISH SOLDIERS FROM
> THE SAME BRITISH ARMY THAT FREED THEM FROM CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN
> TERRORIST ATTACKS IN BRITISH RUN PALESTINE.
> 
> THE JEWS HATE CHRISTIANS AND RUN AMERICA TO ATTACK THEIR ENEMIES AND
> DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT AMERICAN SOLDIERS LIVES. LOOK AT THE JEW
> BASTARDS LIKE RUMSFELD AND LIEBERMAN (THE SO CALLED HAWKS) ADVOCATING
> ATTACKING ALL THE ARAB COUNTRIES (BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO BE THEIR
> ENEMIES). FUCKING YIDS BELIEVE GENTILES (NON -JEWS) ARE ALL
> SUB-HUMANS, THEY DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT MAKING GENTILE FIGHT GENTILE.
> 
> AND THE JEWS FUCKING WONDER WHY SO MANY RACES HAVE SUCH HATE FOR THEM.

Nobody likes to be taken to the cleaners. That's why people will fight
back

Werner Knoll
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business.


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"wieslaw_@algonet.se" wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll wrote:
> 
> > Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazi's into a shield
> > against criticism
> 
> Yes.. yes.. all neonazi are today critics..:))
> not nazi..
> 
> W

With other words Jew must be Nazis too but the only criticize for money?
:-))))

Werner Knoll


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"wieslaw_@algonet.se" wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll wrote:
> >
> > "wieslaw_@algonet.se" wrote:
> > >
> > > Werner Knoll wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazi's into a shield
> > > > against criticism
> > >
> > > Yes.. yes.. all neonazi are today critics..:))
> > > not nazi..
> > >
> > > W
> >
> > With other words Jew must be Nazis too but the only criticize for money?
> > :-))))
> 
> If you mean critics like Jewish Finkelstein so indeed
> he is ...
> 
> W
> 
> > Werner Knoll

With other words lying for the Jewish cause is OK?

Word is out that he lost his job for telling the truth? Is this true?

Word is out that Stephen Ambrose is on the carpet for using somebody
else's work not giving credit to the source?

Will he on account of this be dropped from the Holocaust Mafia must
favored writers list?

Read Vancouver's Province Monday, January 7, 2002 page A2

Werner Knoll


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And Sharons' dick tastes like honey?

Werner Knoll

"wieslaw_@algonet.se" wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll wrote:
> >
> > "wieslaw_@algonet.se" wrote:
> > >
> > > Werner Knoll wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "wieslaw_@algonet.se" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Werner Knoll wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jewish Organizations have made the deeds of the Nazi's into a shield
> > > > > > against criticism
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.. yes.. all neonazi are today critics..:))
> > > > > not nazi..
> > > > >
> > > > > W
> > > >
> > > > With other words Jew must be Nazis too but the only criticize for money?
> > > > :-))))
> > >
> > > If you mean critics like Jewish Finkelstein so indeed
> > > he is ...
> > >
> > > W
> > >
> > > > Werner Knoll
> >
> > With other words lying for the Jewish cause is OK?
> 
> Who said this? Finkelstein is for me like neonazi..
> 
> W.


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"wieslaw_@algonet.se" wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll wrote:
> >
> > And Sharons' dick tastes like honey?
> 
> How do you know about it??
> Do you tested it? Congratulations??
> He must like you a lot, as far I know
> only few has this privilage??
> You must feel hapy my friend..:))
> 
> W.

It was a question? I am  not one of his chosen people!

Werner Knoll


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Hartmann Schaffer wrote:
> 
> In article <3C391793.9BCB2870@telus.net>,
>         Werner Knoll  writes:
> > No... But as a result of this they had a chance to tell the world that
> > the need a country of their own. They perfected the art of extortion by
> > sucking future German generation try.
> 
> you know, you really should develop the habit of reading up on
> subjects before you comment on them.  in this particular case you no
> doubt would have noticed that zionism existed long before the nazi
> party, let alone the holocaust, even started.  they got the balfour
> declaration during world war 1.
> 
> hs

I am fully aware that Zionism started before Hitler came to power but I
am sure that the crimes committed by the Nazis was a selling point!

Werner Knoll


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"wieslaw_@algonet.se" wrote:
> 
> Werner Knoll wrote:
> >
> > "wieslaw_@algonet.se" wrote:
> > >
> > > Werner Knoll wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And Sharons' dick tastes like honey?
> > >
> > > How do you know about it??
> > > Do you tested it? Congratulations??
> > > He must like you a lot, as far I know
> > > only few has this privilage??
> > > You must feel hapy my friend..:))
> > >
> > > W.
> >
> > It was a question? I am  not one of his chosen people!
> 
> It looks like for me??
> 
> W

Just do not tell everybody that my dick tastes sour!

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:40:47 +0000 (UTC),
> in bc.general
> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) used both functioning
> neurons to say:
> 
> >     "Denial of Science & The Science of Denial"
> >          The Techniques of Holocaust Denial
> >  http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial
> 
> --
> The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of
> Jewish Suffering - by Norman G. Finkelstein
> 
> Selling the Holocaust : From Auschwitz to Schindler, How
> History is Bought, Packaged and Sold - by Tim Cole
> 
> The Invention of Ancient Israel : The Silencing of Palestinian
> History - by Keith W. Whitelam
> 
> Judaism's Strange Gods - by Michael A. Hoffman II
> 
> Jewish History, Jewish Religion : The Weight of Three Thousand
> Years - by Israel Shahak, Gore Vidal
> 
> An Eye for an Eye - by John Sack

Look to me "An EYE for an EYE cannot be bought here in Canada and
Germany because of Jewish pressure?

Went to Chapter and Coles? and was told... no can have!

Dear Enemy page 170:

"An Eye for an Eye": the untold story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans
in 1945. NY 1993. Under public pressure, the 6000 copies of the German
translation were destroyed by the publisher Piper before publication.


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:46:37 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >Look to me "An EYE for an EYE cannot be bought here in Canada and
> >Germany because of Jewish pressure?
> >
> >Went to Chapter and Coles? and was told... no can have!
> >
> >Dear Enemy page 170:
> >
> >"An Eye for an Eye": the untold story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans
> >in 1945. NY 1993. Under public pressure, the 6000 copies of the German
> >translation were destroyed by the publisher Piper before publication.
> 
> Don't be so cheap spend the $12.95.
> Amazon has 2 in stock more on the way
> 
> If you still have trouble e-mail him at dearjohn@johnsack.com
> and he'll probably be able to point you in the right direction.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------

The issue is freedom of expression and Jewish Organizations who try to
prevent it.

I read a posting today about Finkelstein getting fired for his
controversial views?

Care to have a opinion about this?

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:57:08 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >The issue is freedom of expression and Jewish Organizations who try to
> >prevent it.
> >
> >I read a posting today about Finkelstein getting fired for his
> >controversial views?
> >
> >Care to have a opinion about this?


> 
> I doubt if he'll starve to death. I see his web site:

But I was asking you about your opinion!


Werner Knoll

> 
> http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
> 
> is still being maintained by family and friends so
> I doubt if he's thinking of hanging and slashing his
> wrists to commit suicide...or to be certified kosher.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------


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Kamal Jhakhi wrote:
> 
> Wiener Null  wrote in message news:<3C3B2CEB.5AD66F4A@telus.net>...
> >
> > Just do not tell everybody that my dick tastes sour!
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> 
> Thanks for the information, I'm sure you discovered that all by
> yourself. It shows that you're just as bendable and disjointed as your
> fascist illogic. Not that I'd tell anybody. Not that they could find
> your dick anyhow.

Can you reach your own?

"bignbroad"? Are you a woman?


Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:32:30 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >But I was asking you about your opinion!
> 
> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> nor any reasons why...
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------



Perhaps the news media is not interested?:


Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html

NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET 
by Doug Collins

LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."

"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet 
operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In 
British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The 
Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist 
Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).

Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a 
small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the 
publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive 
Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings 
took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the 
newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former 
columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
Not even in a letter to the editor.

The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has 
"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role 
as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense 
about the paper having to reduce costs.

It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish 
Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left, 
although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a 
thing. But what else could it be?

Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In 
1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as 
"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in 
North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the 
Association's award for outstanding column writing.

The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by 
Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
order.

There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not 
surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000 
bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
International Communications Ltd.

Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps 
they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great 
Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.

Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days 
would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun 
and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for 
instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the 
North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making. 
Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?

One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had 
made such a grab? 

When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!


End

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:32:30 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >But I was asking you about your opinion!
> 
> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> nor any reasons why...
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------



Perhaps the news media is not interested?:


Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html

NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET 
by Doug Collins

LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."

"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet 
operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In 
British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The 
Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist 
Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).

Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a 
small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the 
publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive 
Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings 
took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the 
newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former 
columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
Not even in a letter to the editor.

The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has 
"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role 
as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense 
about the paper having to reduce costs.

It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish 
Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left, 
although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a 
thing. But what else could it be?

Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In 
1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as 
"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in 
North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the 
Association's award for outstanding column writing.

The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by 
Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
order.

There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not 
surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000 
bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
International Communications Ltd.

Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps 
they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great 
Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.

Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days 
would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun 
and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for 
instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the 
North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making. 
Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?

One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had 
made such a grab? 

When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!


End

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:23:50 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >
> >
> >No Spam wrote:

> >> >But I was asking you about your opinion!
> >>
> >> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> >> nor any reasons why...
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >Perhaps the news media is not interested?:
> >
> >
> >Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html
> >
> >NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET
> >by Doug Collins
> >
> >LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
> >empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
> >Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
> >in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."
> >
> >"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
> >daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet
> >operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In
> >British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
> >controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The
> >Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist
> >Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
> >and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).
> >
> >Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a
> >small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
> >to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the
> >publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive
> >Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings
> >took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the
> >newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former
> >columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
> >Not even in a letter to the editor.
> >
> >The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
> >had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has
> >"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role
> >as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
> >leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense
> >about the paper having to reduce costs.
> >
> >It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
> >paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
> >"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish
> >Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left,
> >although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a
> >thing. But what else could it be?
> >
> >Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
> >most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In
> >1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as
> >"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
> >that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in
> >North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the
> >Association's award for outstanding column writing.
> >
> >The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
> >Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
> >that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by
> >Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
> >after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
> >order.
> >
> >There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
> >told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
> >watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not
> >surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000
> >bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
> >International Communications Ltd.
> >
> >Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
> >I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
> >Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps
> >they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
> >reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great
> >Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.
> >
> >Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
> >monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days
> >would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun
> >and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for
> >instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
> >then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the
> >North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making.
> >Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
> >of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?
> >
> >One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
> >silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
> >takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
> >orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
> >and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
> >sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had
> >made such a grab?
> >
> >When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
> >changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!
> >
> >
> >End
> >
> >Werner Knoll
> 
> That's nice, but where does Finkelstein getting fired appear in the
> story... after all that was what the original issue was that you raised.
> 

You wrote:

********************************************************

> >> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> >> nor any reasons why...
> >>

*****************************************************
To which I wrote:

****************************************************

> >
> >Perhaps the news media is not interested?:
> >
*****************************************************

An explanation why the "News Media is not interested in this story!


Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:20:24 GMT,
> in can.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >An explanation why the "News Media is not interested in this story!
> 
> I doubt if Better Homes and Gardens is interested either, but it would
> still be more believable if there was something other than a third party
> usenet rumour as a reference.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------



Rumors?

Like Jewish soap?

********************************************************
Humane Soap?
Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he says that the Nazis didn't use
Jewish fat to make soap? After examining all the evidence ( including an
actual bar of soap supplied by the Soviets ), the Nuremberg Tribunal
declared in its Judgment that "in some instances attempts were made to
utilize the fat from bodies of the victims in commercial manufacture of
soap." (note 3) IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 496

Source
Subject: FYI Saturday 1 August 1998 oreslep

Jeffrey G. Brown is a Holocaust denier for not believing in Jewish soap
and Ken McVay's stooge


Werner Knoll


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article , Gutless Donnie Ellis
>  wrote:
> 
> > Morris supports perversion.
> 
> Show us, Gutless Donnie. You're a known liar. Your unsupported accusations are
> as worthless as you are.
> 
> JGB
> 

It is time for you to get refucked by your masters, you little lapdog!


You are a  Liar  who denies the existence of Jewish soap. Ken Mcvay's
stooge and fart!

Is this why you hang around in alt.revisionism?

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. Jewish Organizations expose
to Jeffrey G. Brown. Ken McVay's stooge and fart.


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Susan Cohen wrote:
> 
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> 
> >  "Hate propaganda is an attack on the truth-seeking process itself.
> > It is directed to subverting and undermining the search for truth."
> >                                 (David Matas, Bloody Speech, p. 37)
> 
> Thank you for admitting it.
> Tho' I am somewhat surprised that you have the hots for Nizkor.
> Brave of you to admit that as well.

Nizkor's web side promotes hate against Germans and an instrument for
the Holocaust Mafia!




Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffey G.
Brown, Ken McVay's fart and stooge.


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> <3c1cd516_2@binaries.vphos.net>
>  <3C1CF2ED.4604174E@telus.net>
> 
> <3c1d07b0_2@binaries.vphos.net>
> 
> <3C1D11FE.87256E28@earthlink.net>
> 

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Who is this Jeffrey G Brown Ken McVay's stooge and fart?

The way I had contacts with him is still a mystery to me. But here is
something I learned from McVay...

Subject: Re: Antisemitic myths
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:42 GMT
From: dont@spam.me.spammer (Albino Protester)
Organization: Shaw Residential Internet
Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
van.general
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7




In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net
says...
>
>Another Continuing Holocaust Saga
>
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It starts out with Albion posting having van.general in it. See what
happen next when McVay gets a hold of it...

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Subject: Removal of tattoo'd skin
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:14:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
alt.revisionism
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4




In article ,
Albino Protester  wrote:
>In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net says...

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Ken McVay removes van.general, ads alt.revisionism too  and sets
Followup-To alt.revisionism. On the next reply you have Jeffrey pissing
all ofer the place for free.

Werner Knoll


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P_R_I_V_A_T_E--C_I_T_I_Z_E_N wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:16:05 +0000 (UTC), <9vm5ck$2ik2$1@news.tht.net>
> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> >Patrick Keenan  wrote:
> >



> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=pa302ug2bv3r4nf7f9jb10srsvipuej2mq@4ax.com&hl=en
> Subject: V2.0 What sort of truth has to be defended with the threat of
> prosecution? (Compilation)
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:46:50 -0600
> Message-ID: 

 
> Care to point out the false allegations for all of us?
> 
> >Mr. Knoll can avoid civil consequences by publishing a complete and
> >unqualified retraction in alt.revisionism , can.general, and
> >us.politics within 24 hours.
> >
> 
> Path: mindspring!news.mindspring.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!
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From wernerkn@telus.net Thu Jan 10 02:59:44 EST 2002
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You forgot something to do!


Do it now!

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Subject: Re: To Werner Knoll, re Criminal Code of Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:56:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, can.politics, us.politics
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4




In article ,
Patrick Keenan  wrote:
>Sorry for top-posting...
>
>Werner, unless you have very strong documentation for your claims, you might
>want to read the rest of Telus' Acceptable Use Policy, which is what I
>clipped this from:.
>http://www.telus.net/aup.html

Mr. Knoll has no documentation whatsoever. The article has been
forwarded to Telus due to its defamatory nature, and to the RCMP with
respect to section 299 of the Criminal Code of Canada.

http://insight.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc.299.html

I have been advised to publish the following statements:

1. I am a heterosexual male.
2. I have never been charged, arrested, or convicted with
   respect to _any_ criminal offense in _any_ jurisdiction.
3. I have no association whatsoever with NAMBLA, nor have
   I ever had such an association.


-- 
 "Irving's conclusions were completely untenable. I thought his
scholarship was sloppy and unreliable and did not meet even the 
most basic requirements of honest and competent historical 
research."             (Richard Evans, Lying About Hitler, p.70) 

End

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G Brown is Ken McVay's stooge and fart. A Holocaust denier and a
Liar, Liar, Liar.


"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c260238_1@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > I see Jeffery Brown has found someone else he calls a liar.
> 
> I see that Kurtsie doesn't bother to actually read what is written. The evidence
> that Scott Bradbury is a liar and a forger is overwhelming. And there is nearly
> as much evidence that proves that Kurtsie Knoll is a liar, as well.
> 
> > But by his behavior I am not so sure if he ever wend to school.
> 
> That's a good one, coming from the imbecile who wrote this:
> 
>    "This pebble are drained in analyzing writing styles."
> 
>             -- From: "Kurt Knoll" 
>             -- Subject: Re: Dresden and Hiroshima
>             -- Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:30:23 -0800
>             -- Message-ID: <3bf80c8a_1@binaries.vphos.net>
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
> to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997


From wernerkn@telus.net Thu Jan 10 02:59:44 EST 2002
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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:40:47 +0000 (UTC),
> in bc.general
> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) used both functioning
> neurons to say:
> 
> >     "Denial of Science & The Science of Denial"
> >          The Techniques of Holocaust Denial
> >  http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial
> 
> --
> The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of
> Jewish Suffering - by Norman G. Finkelstein
> 
> Selling the Holocaust : From Auschwitz to Schindler, How
> History is Bought, Packaged and Sold - by Tim Cole
> 
> The Invention of Ancient Israel : The Silencing of Palestinian
> History - by Keith W. Whitelam
> 
> Judaism's Strange Gods - by Michael A. Hoffman II
> 
> Jewish History, Jewish Religion : The Weight of Three Thousand
> Years - by Israel Shahak, Gore Vidal
> 
> An Eye for an Eye - by John Sack

Look to me "An EYE for an EYE cannot be bought here in Canada and
Germany because of Jewish pressure?

Went to Chapter and Coles? and was told... no can have!

Dear Enemy page 170:

"An Eye for an Eye": the untold story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans
in 1945. NY 1993. Under public pressure, the 6000 copies of the German
translation were destroyed by the publisher Piper before publication.


From wernerkn@telus.net Thu Jan 10 02:59:45 EST 2002
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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:46:37 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >Look to me "An EYE for an EYE cannot be bought here in Canada and
> >Germany because of Jewish pressure?
> >
> >Went to Chapter and Coles? and was told... no can have!
> >
> >Dear Enemy page 170:
> >
> >"An Eye for an Eye": the untold story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans
> >in 1945. NY 1993. Under public pressure, the 6000 copies of the German
> >translation were destroyed by the publisher Piper before publication.
> 
> Don't be so cheap spend the $12.95.
> Amazon has 2 in stock more on the way
> 
> If you still have trouble e-mail him at dearjohn@johnsack.com
> and he'll probably be able to point you in the right direction.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------

The issue is freedom of expression and Jewish Organizations who try to
prevent it.

I read a posting today about Finkelstein getting fired for his
controversial views?

Care to have a opinion about this?

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:57:08 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >The issue is freedom of expression and Jewish Organizations who try to
> >prevent it.
> >
> >I read a posting today about Finkelstein getting fired for his
> >controversial views?
> >
> >Care to have a opinion about this?


> 
> I doubt if he'll starve to death. I see his web site:

But I was asking you about your opinion!


Werner Knoll

> 
> http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
> 
> is still being maintained by family and friends so
> I doubt if he's thinking of hanging and slashing his
> wrists to commit suicide...or to be certified kosher.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:32:30 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >But I was asking you about your opinion!
> 
> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> nor any reasons why...
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------



Perhaps the news media is not interested?:


Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html

NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET 
by Doug Collins

LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."

"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet 
operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In 
British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The 
Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist 
Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).

Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a 
small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the 
publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive 
Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings 
took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the 
newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former 
columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
Not even in a letter to the editor.

The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has 
"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role 
as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense 
about the paper having to reduce costs.

It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish 
Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left, 
although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a 
thing. But what else could it be?

Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In 
1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as 
"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in 
North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the 
Association's award for outstanding column writing.

The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by 
Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
order.

There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not 
surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000 
bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
International Communications Ltd.

Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps 
they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great 
Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.

Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days 
would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun 
and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for 
instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the 
North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making. 
Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?

One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had 
made such a grab? 

When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!


End

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:23:50 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >
> >
> >No Spam wrote:

> >> >But I was asking you about your opinion!
> >>
> >> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> >> nor any reasons why...
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >Perhaps the news media is not interested?:
> >
> >
> >Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html
> >
> >NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET
> >by Doug Collins
> >
> >LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
> >empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
> >Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
> >in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."
> >
> >"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
> >daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet
> >operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In
> >British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
> >controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The
> >Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist
> >Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
> >and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).
> >
> >Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a
> >small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
> >to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the
> >publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive
> >Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings
> >took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the
> >newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former
> >columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
> >Not even in a letter to the editor.
> >
> >The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
> >had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has
> >"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role
> >as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
> >leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense
> >about the paper having to reduce costs.
> >
> >It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
> >paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
> >"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish
> >Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left,
> >although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a
> >thing. But what else could it be?
> >
> >Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
> >most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In
> >1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as
> >"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
> >that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in
> >North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the
> >Association's award for outstanding column writing.
> >
> >The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
> >Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
> >that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by
> >Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
> >after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
> >order.
> >
> >There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
> >told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
> >watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not
> >surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000
> >bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
> >International Communications Ltd.
> >
> >Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
> >I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
> >Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps
> >they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
> >reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great
> >Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.
> >
> >Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
> >monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days
> >would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun
> >and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for
> >instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
> >then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the
> >North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making.
> >Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
> >of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?
> >
> >One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
> >silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
> >takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
> >orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
> >and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
> >sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had
> >made such a grab?
> >
> >When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
> >changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!
> >
> >
> >End
> >
> >Werner Knoll
> 
> That's nice, but where does Finkelstein getting fired appear in the
> story... after all that was what the original issue was that you raised.
> 

You wrote:

********************************************************

> >> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> >> nor any reasons why...
> >>

*****************************************************
To which I wrote:

****************************************************

> >
> >Perhaps the news media is not interested?:
> >
*****************************************************

An explanation why the "News Media is not interested in this story!


Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:20:24 GMT,
> in can.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >An explanation why the "News Media is not interested in this story!
> 
> I doubt if Better Homes and Gardens is interested either, but it would
> still be more believable if there was something other than a third party
> usenet rumour as a reference.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------



Rumors?

Like Jewish soap?

********************************************************
Humane Soap?
Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he says that the Nazis didn't use
Jewish fat to make soap? After examining all the evidence ( including an
actual bar of soap supplied by the Soviets ), the Nuremberg Tribunal
declared in its Judgment that "in some instances attempts were made to
utilize the fat from bodies of the victims in commercial manufacture of
soap." (note 3) IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 496

Source
Subject: FYI Saturday 1 August 1998 oreslep

Jeffrey G. Brown is a Holocaust denier for not believing in Jewish soap
and Ken McVay's stooge


Werner Knoll


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Time to burn down churches!!!!

Werner Knoll

John Lauzon wrote:
> 
> HOUSE PASSES UNBORN VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE ACT
> 
> WASHINGTON, Apr 26, 2001 (LSN.ca) - The US House passed the Unborn Victims
> of
> Violence Act today in a vote of 252-172. Despite vehement opposition by
> pro-abortion
> forces, including Planned Parenthood, NOW and NARAL, 53 Democrats, more
> than
> one-fourth of the party's members in the House, joined Republicans in
> voting for the bill.
> 
> On Wednesday, President George Bush endorsed the bill in a White House
> statement,
> which said the President "supports protection for unborn children and
> therefore supports House passage of H.R. 503. The legislation would make
> it a separate federal offense to
> cause death or bodily injury to a child, who is in utero, in the course of
> committing any
> one of 68 Federal offenses." Bush also indicated he was "strongly opposed"
> to a
> pro-abortion alternative to the bill which claims there is only one victim
> when a mother
> is assaulted and an unborn child is killed or injured. Republicans
> successfully fought off
> an amendment to the bill that would have stiffened penalties for
> assaulting a pregnant
> woman but not made harming the unborn child a separate crime.
> 
> During the debate, pro-abortion Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich noted the
> significance of the
> legislation saying, "This would be the first time in the federal legal
> system that we
> would begin to recognize a fertilized egg, a zygote, an embryo or a fetus.
> That's what the bill is trying to do . . . No sneaking around today,
> fellas. We're going to have to put it all
> on the table."
> 
> For coverage of the debate see:
> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?22577
> See AP coverage of the vote at:
> 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010426/aponline163637_000.htm


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article , Gutless Donnie Ellis
>  wrote:
> 
> > Morris supports perversion.
> 
> Show us, Gutless Donnie. You're a known liar. Your unsupported accusations are
> as worthless as you are.
> 
> JGB
> 

It is time for you to get refucked by your masters, you little lapdog!


You are a  Liar  who denies the existence of Jewish soap. Ken Mcvay's
stooge and fart!

Is this why you hang around in alt.revisionism?

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. Jewish Organizations expose
to Jeffrey G. Brown. Ken McVay's stooge and fart.


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Susan Cohen wrote:
> 
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> 
> >  "Hate propaganda is an attack on the truth-seeking process itself.
> > It is directed to subverting and undermining the search for truth."
> >                                 (David Matas, Bloody Speech, p. 37)
> 
> Thank you for admitting it.
> Tho' I am somewhat surprised that you have the hots for Nizkor.
> Brave of you to admit that as well.

Nizkor's web side promotes hate against Germans and an instrument for
the Holocaust Mafia!




Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffey G.
Brown, Ken McVay's fart and stooge.


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"Mr. David Voisine" wrote:
> 
> I found this site and it has the best version of the book.  You
> download it in zip format.  It is done in Word 6.0  I know that it is
> really good because I have downloaded it myself.  And am about half
> way finished reading it.  I will in the future be posting a message of
> what I thought about the book.
> 
> You can download the book here!  http://www.ety.com/berlin/kampf-e.htm
> 
> Brought to you by!
> 
> http://toronto.canadianwebs.com

I do have Hitler Mein Kampf on my shelf. As for reading? I was ready to
go to sleep ( boring )and been only half way through.

Why on earth some people like to ban this book? If more people were to
read it more would realize that Schickelgruber is out of time!

Should people be able to buy it? Yes the should.

Werner Knoll


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"Duncan (Dhu) Campbell on Babayaga.neotext.ca" wrote:
> 
> In article <3C16892A.DDEE2344@telus.net>,
>         Werner Knoll  writes:
> >
> >
> > "Mr. David Voisine" wrote:


> >> http://toronto.canadianwebs.com
> >
> > I do have Hitler Mein Kampf on my shelf. As for reading? I was ready to
> > go to sleep ( boring )and been only half way through.
> >
> > Why on earth some people like to ban this book? If more people were to
> > read it more would realize that Schickelgruber is out of time!
> >
> > Should people be able to buy it? Yes the should.
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> 
> Half way?  Gawd you are persistant.
> 
> Dhu

Feeling lonely?

Werner Knoll


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Lab Rat wrote:
> 
> Klein checks out homeless shelter in midnight visit
> Premier apologizes for argumentative meeting with hostel residents
> 
> Graham Thomson and Chris Purdy, Journal Staff Writers
> The Edmonton Journal
> 
> Premier Ralph Klein has offered an apology to a men's homeless shelter after
> making a strange, unannounced midnight visit and arguing with residents.
> 
> "All I can say is that if I caused any inconvenience or any uproar I
> certainly apologize," Klein told The Journal on Thursday. "But there was no
> malice intended whatsoever."
> 
> Klein said his misadventure started out with the best of intentions early
> Wednesday morning, shortly after 12 a.m.
> 
> He was headed home after a night out with friends. He had some wine with
> dinner.
> 
> "But I wasn't drunk," he said. "I was in good spirits."
> 
> When his government-issue Buick Ultra passed near the Herb Jamieson Centre
> on 105A Avenue at 100th Street, Klein asked his longtime driver and
> bodyguard, Thomas Dombrosky, to pull over.
> 
> Spontaneous visits are nothing new for Klein. He said he has quietly popped
> into hospitals to check on emergency room lineups.
> 
> "When I was the mayor (of Calgary), I used to go to the hostel around
> Christmas time. You try to get in the Christmas spirit. You see destitute
> people and try to do what you can."
> 
> Klein said his curiosity that night was piqued by recent media reports on
> rising numbers of homeless in Edmonton. He wanted to see for himself.
> 
> Klein and Dombrosky stepped into the chilly night air, rapped on the
> building's front steel doors and walked inside.
> 
> They found about six men in the foyer, some sleeping on the brick floor,
> some smoking cigarettes. Some had been drinking. As part of the shelter's
> zero-tolerance policy against alcohol, men are not allowed into the sleeping
> area if they've been drinking. But they are allowed into the foyer to keep
> warm at night.
> 
> Klein said he started asking the men about being homeless. Everyone was
> friendly until one man on the floor woke up and started arguing about
> government help for the homeless, he said.
> 
> At that moment, 26-year-old Mark Shea, who recently moved here from Halifax
> to find work, walked into the shelter. He had just finished the late shift
> at a gas station and wanted a warm bed for the night.
> 
> "I thought, 'What's Ralph Klein doing here?' " Shea said. "Lo and behold,
> there he was in the middle of six or seven guys, yelling at them at the top
> of his lungs."
> 
> Klein was slurring, according to Shea. And he said the premier was shouting
> outrageous things as he leaned on his driver, telling the residents of the
> shelter to get jobs.
> 
> Shea said he was offended.
> 
> "I don't drink or do drugs and he's telling me to get a job when I already
> have one. If I wouldn't have gotten arrested, I would have slugged him."
> 
> A worker at the centre, who requested anonymity, said he spoke to two other
> employees who said they witnessed the incident. They verified Shea's version
> of events.
> 
> The centre maintains a daily incident report. The worker said Wednesday's
> entry says Klein was swearing and yelling at the men to get jobs.
> 
> He said it also stated Klein threw some cash on the foyer floor on his way
> out the door.
> 
> Klein said the story told by the worker and Shea is nonsense.
> 
> He admits he was argumentative.
> 
> "But it was done in a good way, because I'm not a mean person."
> 
> He said he gave the men about $70 as a kind gesture. The money went right
> into their hands.
> 
> Dombrosky ushered Klein outside to his car when the argument grew more
> heated.
> 
> Klein said he went home thinking he had left on good terms with the men. He
> remains concerned about their plight and said he will review government
> programs for the needy.
> 
> "It's unfortunate that people who are homeless and who are on the street
> can't get into a warm bed at night," he said.
> 
> "I will discuss this at cabinet next week."
> 
> The 249-bed facility is funded by the province and donations. It is full
> most nights.
> 
> The worker said if Klein was truly concerned about the homeless, he would
> have called during the day to arrange a visit.
> 
> Klein said that's not the way he does things.
> 
> "I'm me ... I hate to say it, but I'm 59 years old. I don't know if I'm
> going to change. I enjoy talking to people from all walks of life. I enjoy
> finding out what the situation is on my own."
> 
> The incident will likely refocus attention on the premier's reputation for
> enjoying alcohol. Klein denies his drinking interferes with his work.
> 
> In the past he has acknowledged drinking the equivalent of a bottle of wine
> daily, something that has provided fodder for comedians and shows such as
> Air Farce and This Hour has 22 Minutes.
> 
> Klein himself has joked about disliking early morning meetings, but
> Albertans have embraced his common-man tastes.
> 
> © Copyright2001 The Edmonton Journal

Just to bad the guy's in the shelter had no body bag at hand!

Werner Knoll


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Lab Rat wrote:
> 
> "Werner Knoll"  wrote in message
> news:3C1AD521.7FC4CBDC@telus.net...
> >
> >


> > > In the past he has acknowledged drinking the equivalent of a bottle of
> wine
> > > daily, something that has provided fodder for comedians and shows such
> as
> > > Air Farce and This Hour has 22 Minutes.
> > >
> > > Klein himself has joked about disliking early morning meetings, but
> > > Albertans have embraced his common-man tastes.
> > >
> > > © Copyright2001 The Edmonton Journal
> >
> > Just to bad the guy's in the shelter had no body bag at hand!
> >
> > Werner Knoll
> Or Barf Bag.
> This display of public drunkeness could only be pulled off by Klein.
> Suppose some pissed off working stiff felt like getting drunk and hassling
> homeless for fun.
> Worse yet, he was out drinking with his pals with a vehicle and gas supplied
> by the taxpayer and a driver working late, maybe overtime, also covered by
> the taxpayer.
> Lab Rat

He was grandstanding and it backfired.

I hope some day he will find his maker!

Werner Knoll


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Harvey Boldt wrote:
> 
>  (H) === hey ! what's this ----- All  the entrants on this thread  have
> backed this man since before the last  election , Now you make fun of him?
> you fought tooth and nail for his policies .  Well, if you wont put a good
> word out for him then I will.   I think he did a marvelous thing to visit
> the poor  and what's wrong with going on a bender ?  I do it too.


It was my impression he was looking for someone or something to piss at?


Werner Knoll


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Who is this Jeffrey G Brown Ken McVay's stooge and fart?

The way I had contacts with him is still a mystery to me. But here is
something I learned from McVay...

Subject: Re: Antisemitic myths
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:42 GMT
From: dont@spam.me.spammer (Albino Protester)
Organization: Shaw Residential Internet
Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
van.general
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7




In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net
says...
>
>Another Continuing Holocaust Saga
>
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It starts out with Albion posting having van.general in it. See what
happen next when McVay gets a hold of it...

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Subject: Removal of tattoo'd skin
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:14:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
alt.revisionism
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
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In article ,
Albino Protester  wrote:
>In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net says...

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Ken McVay removes van.general, ads alt.revisionism too  and sets
Followup-To alt.revisionism. On the next reply you have Jeffrey pissing
all ofer the place for free.

Werner Knoll


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P_R_I_V_A_T_E--C_I_T_I_Z_E_N wrote:
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> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:16:05 +0000 (UTC), <9vm5ck$2ik2$1@news.tht.net>
> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> >Patrick Keenan  wrote:
> >



> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=pa302ug2bv3r4nf7f9jb10srsvipuej2mq@4ax.com&hl=en
> Subject: V2.0 What sort of truth has to be defended with the threat of
> prosecution? (Compilation)
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:46:50 -0600
> Message-ID: 

 
> Care to point out the false allegations for all of us?
> 
> >Mr. Knoll can avoid civil consequences by publishing a complete and
> >unqualified retraction in alt.revisionism , can.general, and
> >us.politics within 24 hours.
> >
> 
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You forgot something to do!


Do it now!

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Subject: Re: To Werner Knoll, re Criminal Code of Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:56:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
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In article ,
Patrick Keenan  wrote:
>Sorry for top-posting...
>
>Werner, unless you have very strong documentation for your claims, you might
>want to read the rest of Telus' Acceptable Use Policy, which is what I
>clipped this from:.
>http://www.telus.net/aup.html

Mr. Knoll has no documentation whatsoever. The article has been
forwarded to Telus due to its defamatory nature, and to the RCMP with
respect to section 299 of the Criminal Code of Canada.

http://insight.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc.299.html

I have been advised to publish the following statements:

1. I am a heterosexual male.
2. I have never been charged, arrested, or convicted with
   respect to _any_ criminal offense in _any_ jurisdiction.
3. I have no association whatsoever with NAMBLA, nor have
   I ever had such an association.


-- 
 "Irving's conclusions were completely untenable. I thought his
scholarship was sloppy and unreliable and did not meet even the 
most basic requirements of honest and competent historical 
research."             (Richard Evans, Lying About Hitler, p.70) 

End

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G Brown is Ken McVay's stooge and fart. A Holocaust denier and a
Liar, Liar, Liar.


"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c260238_1@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > I see Jeffery Brown has found someone else he calls a liar.
> 
> I see that Kurtsie doesn't bother to actually read what is written. The evidence
> that Scott Bradbury is a liar and a forger is overwhelming. And there is nearly
> as much evidence that proves that Kurtsie Knoll is a liar, as well.
> 
> > But by his behavior I am not so sure if he ever wend to school.
> 
> That's a good one, coming from the imbecile who wrote this:
> 
>    "This pebble are drained in analyzing writing styles."
> 
>             -- From: "Kurt Knoll" 
>             -- Subject: Re: Dresden and Hiroshima
>             -- Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:30:23 -0800
>             -- Message-ID: <3bf80c8a_1@binaries.vphos.net>
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
> to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:40:47 +0000 (UTC),
> in bc.general
> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) used both functioning
> neurons to say:
> 
> >     "Denial of Science & The Science of Denial"
> >          The Techniques of Holocaust Denial
> >  http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial
> 
> --
> The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of
> Jewish Suffering - by Norman G. Finkelstein
> 
> Selling the Holocaust : From Auschwitz to Schindler, How
> History is Bought, Packaged and Sold - by Tim Cole
> 
> The Invention of Ancient Israel : The Silencing of Palestinian
> History - by Keith W. Whitelam
> 
> Judaism's Strange Gods - by Michael A. Hoffman II
> 
> Jewish History, Jewish Religion : The Weight of Three Thousand
> Years - by Israel Shahak, Gore Vidal
> 
> An Eye for an Eye - by John Sack

Look to me "An EYE for an EYE cannot be bought here in Canada and
Germany because of Jewish pressure?

Went to Chapter and Coles? and was told... no can have!

Dear Enemy page 170:

"An Eye for an Eye": the untold story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans
in 1945. NY 1993. Under public pressure, the 6000 copies of the German
translation were destroyed by the publisher Piper before publication.


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:46:37 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >Look to me "An EYE for an EYE cannot be bought here in Canada and
> >Germany because of Jewish pressure?
> >
> >Went to Chapter and Coles? and was told... no can have!
> >
> >Dear Enemy page 170:
> >
> >"An Eye for an Eye": the untold story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans
> >in 1945. NY 1993. Under public pressure, the 6000 copies of the German
> >translation were destroyed by the publisher Piper before publication.
> 
> Don't be so cheap spend the $12.95.
> Amazon has 2 in stock more on the way
> 
> If you still have trouble e-mail him at dearjohn@johnsack.com
> and he'll probably be able to point you in the right direction.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------

The issue is freedom of expression and Jewish Organizations who try to
prevent it.

I read a posting today about Finkelstein getting fired for his
controversial views?

Care to have a opinion about this?

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:57:08 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >The issue is freedom of expression and Jewish Organizations who try to
> >prevent it.
> >
> >I read a posting today about Finkelstein getting fired for his
> >controversial views?
> >
> >Care to have a opinion about this?


> 
> I doubt if he'll starve to death. I see his web site:

But I was asking you about your opinion!


Werner Knoll

> 
> http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
> 
> is still being maintained by family and friends so
> I doubt if he's thinking of hanging and slashing his
> wrists to commit suicide...or to be certified kosher.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:32:30 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >But I was asking you about your opinion!
> 
> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> nor any reasons why...
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------



Perhaps the news media is not interested?:


Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html

NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET 
by Doug Collins

LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."

"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet 
operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In 
British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The 
Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist 
Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).

Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a 
small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the 
publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive 
Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings 
took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the 
newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former 
columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
Not even in a letter to the editor.

The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has 
"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role 
as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense 
about the paper having to reduce costs.

It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish 
Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left, 
although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a 
thing. But what else could it be?

Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In 
1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as 
"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in 
North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the 
Association's award for outstanding column writing.

The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by 
Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
order.

There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not 
surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000 
bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
International Communications Ltd.

Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps 
they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great 
Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.

Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days 
would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun 
and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for 
instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the 
North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making. 
Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?

One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had 
made such a grab? 

When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!


End

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:23:50 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >
> >
> >No Spam wrote:

> >> >But I was asking you about your opinion!
> >>
> >> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> >> nor any reasons why...
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >Perhaps the news media is not interested?:
> >
> >
> >Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html
> >
> >NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET
> >by Doug Collins
> >
> >LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
> >empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
> >Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
> >in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."
> >
> >"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
> >daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet
> >operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In
> >British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
> >controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The
> >Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist
> >Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
> >and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).
> >
> >Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a
> >small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
> >to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the
> >publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive
> >Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings
> >took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the
> >newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former
> >columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
> >Not even in a letter to the editor.
> >
> >The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
> >had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has
> >"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role
> >as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
> >leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense
> >about the paper having to reduce costs.
> >
> >It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
> >paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
> >"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish
> >Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left,
> >although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a
> >thing. But what else could it be?
> >
> >Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
> >most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In
> >1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as
> >"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
> >that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in
> >North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the
> >Association's award for outstanding column writing.
> >
> >The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
> >Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
> >that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by
> >Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
> >after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
> >order.
> >
> >There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
> >told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
> >watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not
> >surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000
> >bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
> >International Communications Ltd.
> >
> >Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
> >I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
> >Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps
> >they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
> >reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great
> >Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.
> >
> >Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
> >monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days
> >would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun
> >and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for
> >instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
> >then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the
> >North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making.
> >Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
> >of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?
> >
> >One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
> >silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
> >takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
> >orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
> >and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
> >sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had
> >made such a grab?
> >
> >When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
> >changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!
> >
> >
> >End
> >
> >Werner Knoll
> 
> That's nice, but where does Finkelstein getting fired appear in the
> story... after all that was what the original issue was that you raised.
> 

You wrote:

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> >> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> >> nor any reasons why...
> >>

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To which I wrote:

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> >
> >Perhaps the news media is not interested?:
> >
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An explanation why the "News Media is not interested in this story!


Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:20:24 GMT,
> in can.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >An explanation why the "News Media is not interested in this story!
> 
> I doubt if Better Homes and Gardens is interested either, but it would
> still be more believable if there was something other than a third party
> usenet rumour as a reference.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------



Rumors?

Like Jewish soap?

********************************************************
Humane Soap?
Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he says that the Nazis didn't use
Jewish fat to make soap? After examining all the evidence ( including an
actual bar of soap supplied by the Soviets ), the Nuremberg Tribunal
declared in its Judgment that "in some instances attempts were made to
utilize the fat from bodies of the victims in commercial manufacture of
soap." (note 3) IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 496

Source
Subject: FYI Saturday 1 August 1998 oreslep

Jeffrey G. Brown is a Holocaust denier for not believing in Jewish soap
and Ken McVay's stooge


Werner Knoll


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Seven of 3 wrote:
> 
> "ROB"  wrote in message
> news:z14%7.1332$k11.11479@read1.cgocable.net...
> > Here are some articles that came up in a Google search for "Geli kick
> hitler
> > urinate"...  Of course one probably ought to keep in mind the fact that
> > Hitler's somewhat of an unpopular guy, and occasionally inflammatory lies
> > are told to discredit unpopular historical figures.  I'm inclined to
> believe
> > it though; seems far less fucked up to want to be pissed on than to want
> to
> > exterminate millions of people based on race or sexual preference.
> >
> 
> Yeah, if the worst is true, then how bad is being shat on and urinated upon?
> And if the worst is true, then how can't you beleive something so benign?



Hitler was only trying to help the Rabbi to sort out the good from the
bad!

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Vancouver Province Monday, August 7, 2000
Jerusalem - Controversy is raging in Israel after an ultra-Orthodox
rabbi said the six million Jewish Holocaust victims died because they
were reincarnations of sinners.

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef also declared that Prime Minister Ehud Barak has "no
sense" because he is trying to make peace with Palestinians, who are:
"snakes."

Yosef was speaking in his weekly Saturday night sermon that is broadcast
over his Shas party's radio station.

He called the Nazis "evil" but he said those killed "were people who
transgressed and did all sorts of things which should not be done. They
had been reincarnated in order to atone

Holocaust analogy for seal hunt riles Jews
Vancouver Province Monday, December 22, 1997
St. Johns, Nfld.- Farly Mowat has insulted a member of the world's
leading Nazi-hunting organization by comparing the Newfoundland seal
hunt to the Holocaust.

"I would hope that he would withdraw the comment and analogy," Rabbi
Abraham Cooper, of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, said yesterday from Los
Angeles

End

Werner Knoll


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"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article , Gutless Donnie Ellis
>  wrote:
> 
> > Morris supports perversion.
> 
> Show us, Gutless Donnie. You're a known liar. Your unsupported accusations are
> as worthless as you are.
> 
> JGB
> 

It is time for you to get refucked by your masters, you little lapdog!


You are a  Liar  who denies the existence of Jewish soap. Ken Mcvay's
stooge and fart!

Is this why you hang around in alt.revisionism?

Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy. Jewish Organizations expose
to Jeffrey G. Brown. Ken McVay's stooge and fart.


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Susan Cohen wrote:
> 
> Kurt Knoll wrote:
> 
> >  "Hate propaganda is an attack on the truth-seeking process itself.
> > It is directed to subverting and undermining the search for truth."
> >                                 (David Matas, Bloody Speech, p. 37)
> 
> Thank you for admitting it.
> Tho' I am somewhat surprised that you have the hots for Nizkor.
> Brave of you to admit that as well.

Nizkor's web side promotes hate against Germans and an instrument for
the Holocaust Mafia!




Werner Knoll
Whom Jewish Organizations seek to destroy, they expose to Jeffey G.
Brown, Ken McVay's fart and stooge.


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> <3c1cd516_2@binaries.vphos.net>
>  <3C1CF2ED.4604174E@telus.net>
> 
> <3c1d07b0_2@binaries.vphos.net>
> 
> <3C1D11FE.87256E28@earthlink.net>
> 

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Who is this Jeffrey G Brown Ken McVay's stooge and fart?

The way I had contacts with him is still a mystery to me. But here is
something I learned from McVay...

Subject: Re: Antisemitic myths
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:21:42 GMT
From: dont@spam.me.spammer (Albino Protester)
Organization: Shaw Residential Internet
Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
van.general
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7




In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net
says...
>
>Another Continuing Holocaust Saga
>
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It starts out with Albion posting having van.general in it. See what
happen next when McVay gets a hold of it...

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Subject: Removal of tattoo'd skin
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:14:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Newsgroups: alt.radio.networks.cbc, can.general, can.politics,
alt.revisionism
Followup-To: alt.revisionism
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4




In article ,
Albino Protester  wrote:
>In article <3c009457_1@binaries.vphos.net>, kknoll@yellowhead16.net says...

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Ken McVay removes van.general, ads alt.revisionism too  and sets
Followup-To alt.revisionism. On the next reply you have Jeffrey pissing
all ofer the place for free.

Werner Knoll


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P_R_I_V_A_T_E--C_I_T_I_Z_E_N wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 01:16:05 +0000 (UTC), <9vm5ck$2ik2$1@news.tht.net>
> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:
> 
> >In article ,
> >Patrick Keenan  wrote:
> >



> http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=pa302ug2bv3r4nf7f9jb10srsvipuej2mq@4ax.com&hl=en
> Subject: V2.0 What sort of truth has to be defended with the threat of
> prosecution? (Compilation)
> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:46:50 -0600
> Message-ID: 

 
> Care to point out the false allegations for all of us?
> 
> >Mr. Knoll can avoid civil consequences by publishing a complete and
> >unqualified retraction in alt.revisionism , can.general, and
> >us.politics within 24 hours.
> >
> 
> Path: mindspring!news.mindspring.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!
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You forgot something to do!


Do it now!

********************************************************

Subject: Re: To Werner Knoll, re Criminal Code of Canada
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:56:38 +0000 (UTC)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism, can.politics, us.politics
References: 1 , 2 , 3 , 4




In article ,
Patrick Keenan  wrote:
>Sorry for top-posting...
>
>Werner, unless you have very strong documentation for your claims, you might
>want to read the rest of Telus' Acceptable Use Policy, which is what I
>clipped this from:.
>http://www.telus.net/aup.html

Mr. Knoll has no documentation whatsoever. The article has been
forwarded to Telus due to its defamatory nature, and to the RCMP with
respect to section 299 of the Criminal Code of Canada.

http://insight.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/pages/law/cc/cc.299.html

I have been advised to publish the following statements:

1. I am a heterosexual male.
2. I have never been charged, arrested, or convicted with
   respect to _any_ criminal offense in _any_ jurisdiction.
3. I have no association whatsoever with NAMBLA, nor have
   I ever had such an association.


-- 
 "Irving's conclusions were completely untenable. I thought his
scholarship was sloppy and unreliable and did not meet even the 
most basic requirements of honest and competent historical 
research."             (Richard Evans, Lying About Hitler, p.70) 

End

Werner Knoll
Jeffrey G Brown is Ken McVay's stooge and fart. A Holocaust denier and a
Liar, Liar, Liar.


"Jeffrey G. Brown" wrote:
> 
> In article <3c260238_1@binaries.vphos.net>, "Lying Shit Knoll"
>  wrote:
> 
> > I see Jeffery Brown has found someone else he calls a liar.
> 
> I see that Kurtsie doesn't bother to actually read what is written. The evidence
> that Scott Bradbury is a liar and a forger is overwhelming. And there is nearly
> as much evidence that proves that Kurtsie Knoll is a liar, as well.
> 
> > But by his behavior I am not so sure if he ever wend to school.
> 
> That's a good one, coming from the imbecile who wrote this:
> 
>    "This pebble are drained in analyzing writing styles."
> 
>             -- From: "Kurt Knoll" 
>             -- Subject: Re: Dresden and Hiroshima
>             -- Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 11:30:23 -0800
>             -- Message-ID: <3bf80c8a_1@binaries.vphos.net>
> 
> JGB
> 
> =====================================================================
> Jeffrey G. Brown                          jeffreygbrown@mailandnews.com
> For centuries, philosophers and theologians have debated what it means
> to be human. Perhaps the answer has eluded us because it is so simple.
> To be human is to choose. - "The Outer Limits: Feasibility Study", 1997


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:40:47 +0000 (UTC),
> in bc.general
> kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC) used both functioning
> neurons to say:
> 
> >     "Denial of Science & The Science of Denial"
> >          The Techniques of Holocaust Denial
> >  http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial
> 
> --
> The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of
> Jewish Suffering - by Norman G. Finkelstein
> 
> Selling the Holocaust : From Auschwitz to Schindler, How
> History is Bought, Packaged and Sold - by Tim Cole
> 
> The Invention of Ancient Israel : The Silencing of Palestinian
> History - by Keith W. Whitelam
> 
> Judaism's Strange Gods - by Michael A. Hoffman II
> 
> Jewish History, Jewish Religion : The Weight of Three Thousand
> Years - by Israel Shahak, Gore Vidal
> 
> An Eye for an Eye - by John Sack

Look to me "An EYE for an EYE cannot be bought here in Canada and
Germany because of Jewish pressure?

Went to Chapter and Coles? and was told... no can have!

Dear Enemy page 170:

"An Eye for an Eye": the untold story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans
in 1945. NY 1993. Under public pressure, the 6000 copies of the German
translation were destroyed by the publisher Piper before publication.


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 17:46:37 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >Look to me "An EYE for an EYE cannot be bought here in Canada and
> >Germany because of Jewish pressure?
> >
> >Went to Chapter and Coles? and was told... no can have!
> >
> >Dear Enemy page 170:
> >
> >"An Eye for an Eye": the untold story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans
> >in 1945. NY 1993. Under public pressure, the 6000 copies of the German
> >translation were destroyed by the publisher Piper before publication.
> 
> Don't be so cheap spend the $12.95.
> Amazon has 2 in stock more on the way
> 
> If you still have trouble e-mail him at dearjohn@johnsack.com
> and he'll probably be able to point you in the right direction.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------

The issue is freedom of expression and Jewish Organizations who try to
prevent it.

I read a posting today about Finkelstein getting fired for his
controversial views?

Care to have a opinion about this?

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:57:08 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >The issue is freedom of expression and Jewish Organizations who try to
> >prevent it.
> >
> >I read a posting today about Finkelstein getting fired for his
> >controversial views?
> >
> >Care to have a opinion about this?


> 
> I doubt if he'll starve to death. I see his web site:

But I was asking you about your opinion!


Werner Knoll

> 
> http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/
> 
> is still being maintained by family and friends so
> I doubt if he's thinking of hanging and slashing his
> wrists to commit suicide...or to be certified kosher.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:32:30 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >But I was asking you about your opinion!
> 
> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> nor any reasons why...
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------



Perhaps the news media is not interested?:


Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html

NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET 
by Doug Collins

LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."

"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet 
operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In 
British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The 
Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist 
Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).

Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a 
small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the 
publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive 
Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings 
took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the 
newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former 
columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
Not even in a letter to the editor.

The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has 
"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role 
as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense 
about the paper having to reduce costs.

It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish 
Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left, 
although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a 
thing. But what else could it be?

Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In 
1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as 
"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in 
North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the 
Association's award for outstanding column writing.

The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by 
Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
order.

There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not 
surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000 
bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
International Communications Ltd.

Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps 
they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great 
Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.

Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days 
would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun 
and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for 
instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the 
North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making. 
Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?

One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had 
made such a grab? 

When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!


End

Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 17:23:50 GMT,
> in bc.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >
> >
> >No Spam wrote:

> >> >But I was asking you about your opinion!
> >>
> >> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> >> nor any reasons why...
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >Perhaps the news media is not interested?:
> >
> >
> >Copied from http://www.fpp.co.uk/online.html
> >
> >NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET
> >by Doug Collins
> >
> >LAST August Canadians woke up one day to find that the biggest media
> >empire in the country had been created and was under Jewish ownership.
> >Not that anyone quite put it that way, but it was so. As the headline
> >in the National Post put it, "Asper becomes nation's media king."
> >
> >"Izzy" Asper, already a TV mogul, had bought Hollinger/Southam's 13
> >daily newspapers, 126 community newspapers, Canadian Internet
> >operations, and fifty per cent of the National Post itself. In
> >British Columbia, it meant that the Aspers and their CanWest empire
> >controlled every media outlet that really counted, including The
> >Vancouver Sun, The Province, and the Victoria Times-Colonist
> >Subsequently, they were also to own BCTV, the biggest TV station,
> >and were already owners of CKVU-TV (now to be sold).
> >
> >Fast forward to April 12, when a column appeared in The Outlook, a
> >small newspaper on Vancouver's North Shore under the headline "Welcome
> >to Izzy's World". The piece showed that the Aspers had fired the
> >publisher of the North Shore News, Mr. Peter Speck, plus Executive
> >Editor Timothy Renshaw. It was also stated that when those firings
> >took place, three weeks previously, a notice had been posted in the
> >newsroom to the effect that my name - known to everyone as a former
> >columnist of the News - should never appear in the paper's pages again.
> >Not even in a letter to the editor.
> >
> >The fiction before that had been that Mr. Speck had "retired". Which he
> >had, in the same sense as saying that a man who has been killed has
> >"died". He had been told by the Asper messenger that his 32-year role
> >as publisher and previous owner of the News was over and that he was to
> >leave immediately. Mr. Renshaw, meanwhile, was given some nonsense
> >about the paper having to reduce costs.
> >
> >It was clear from the Outlook piece that Messrs Speck and Renshaw were
> >paying the price for having supported me through thick and thin against
> >"human rights" complaints made against me by the Canadian Jewish
> >Congress and B'Nai Brith. I was of that opinion the moment they left,
> >although no-one in the Asper Shadowland is going to admit to such a
> >thing. But what else could it be?
> >
> >Under Mr. Speck the North Shore News won dozens of awards and was the
> >most financially successful community newspaper in the country. In
> >1999 it won the Canadian Community Newspapers Association award as
> >"the best all- round community newspaper in Canada". Two years before
> >that it was designated in the U.S. as being one of the top three in
> >North America. Mr. Renshaw, for two years running, won the
> >Association's award for outstanding column writing.
> >
> >The Asper excesses in editorial control have not been confined to
> >Vancouver's North Shore. A couple of weeks ago the Toronto Sun reported
> >that CanWest had instructed all its newspapers to run an article by
> >Liberal flack Warren Kinsella attacking the Canadian Alliance for going
> >after Jean Chretien. "Must appear in all CanWest newspapers", was the
> >order.
> >
> >There's more. According to Frank magazine, CanWest's editors have been
> >told not to criticize the CRTC, Canada's radio and television supposed
> >watchdog that hands out and can cancel broadcasting licences. Not
> >surprising, seeing that the CRTC had approved CanWest's $800,000,000
> >bid to buy a string of TV stations from Vancouver's Western
> >International Communications Ltd.
> >
> >Mine is not the only monicker that is unpopular with Izzy and Co., and
> >I'm in pretty good company. Big-time newspaper writers Richard Gwyn and
> >Gwynne Dyer are also reported to be on Izzy's shit-list. Why? Perhaps
> >they haven't been one hundred per cent in favor of Israel. For the same
> >reason, Jewish pressure got The Vancouver Courier to drop the great
> >Greg Felton, although the Aspers didn't own the paper at that time.
> >
> >Quite apart from Jewish control and its editorial biases, we have here
> >monopoly control of a vast section of the media that in former days
> >would have been the subject of severe inquiry. When the Vancouver Sun
> >and Province joined together as Pacific Press in the late 1950s, for
> >instance, the Monopolies Commission took years to approve the deal and
> >then laid down certain conditions. When Hollinger/Southam bought the
> >North Shore News the arrangement was again many years in the making.
> >Now, all is silence, in Parliament and elsewhere. What are they afraid
> >of? Getting on the wrong side of Izzy?
> >
> >One might have expected the remaining media to utter a groan or two, but
> >silence has been the rule. Or happy consent. When the news of CanWest's
> >takeover of Hollinger/Southam broke, Maclean's magazine had a virtual
> >orgasm spread over six pages, complete with pictures of a grinning Izzy
> >and son Leonard. Peter Newman, another member of that fraternity, also
> >sang a song of praise. Would he have been so keen if the Gentiles had
> >made such a grab?
> >
> >When it happened, Asper Jr. said that the deal would create "exciting
> >changes in the media scene". True. Welcome to Izzy's world!
> >
> >
> >End
> >
> >Werner Knoll
> 
> That's nice, but where does Finkelstein getting fired appear in the
> story... after all that was what the original issue was that you raised.
> 

You wrote:

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> >> Haven't seen anything credible to indicate he was fired,
> >> nor any reasons why...
> >>

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To which I wrote:

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> >
> >Perhaps the news media is not interested?:
> >
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An explanation why the "News Media is not interested in this story!


Werner Knoll


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No Spam wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2002 19:20:24 GMT,
> in can.general
> Werner Knoll  used both functioning neurons to say:
> 
> >An explanation why the "News Media is not interested in this story!
> 
> I doubt if Better Homes and Gardens is interested either, but it would
> still be more believable if there was something other than a third party
> usenet rumour as a reference.
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>   All your posts are belong to ECHELON!
> -------------------------------------------------------------



Rumors?

Like Jewish soap?

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Humane Soap?
Is someone a "Holocaust denier" if he says that the Nazis didn't use
Jewish fat to make soap? After examining all the evidence ( including an
actual bar of soap supplied by the Soviets ), the Nuremberg Tribunal
declared in its Judgment that "in some instances attempts were made to
utilize the fat from bodies of the victims in commercial manufacture of
soap." (note 3) IMT "blue series," Vol. 22, p. 496

Source
Subject: FYI Saturday 1 August 1998 oreslep

Jeffrey G. Brown is a Holocaust denier for not believing in Jewish soap
and Ken McVay's stooge


Werner Knoll

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