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On Thu, 02 May 1996 01:06:05 GMT, fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote:
>
>>DHawk666xx@gnn.com (dannie  hawkins) wrote:

>I'll read the Metzger bio, but I will not pay for it, particularly if
>the old bag gets a cut.  Consider these points/questions:
>1) Who wrote the biography?
>2) Is it not the APPROVED, AUTHORIZED biography of Tom Metzger?

The above answered in another post.

>3) I am not a liberal by any stretch of the word.

And I've already said you weren't, you're a neoliberal. Has no relation
to a True Liberal.
   
>You get a grip, youngster.  You can't commit perjury in a civil court.
>It's a criminal offense IN EVERY STATE OF THE UNION.

And I didn't say [it] wasn't.  I was giving a reminder that the case was
a =civil= action  and not gov =criminal= action. [altho in *dees case,
that is questionable]  It's extremely hard for a defendant in a criminal
case to cause a charge of perjury be brought  against a gov witness,
without unquestionable evidence submitted  by someone having a reputation
for truth an veracity at least equal to that of an "angel from heaven. "
In a civil case, it's even harder, Especially for a defendant who by
circumstances beyond his control, is forced to represent himself,  PLUS,
having to do so in that =officially= created carnival atmosphere in
portland.  He  would need "god" himself for a witness, provided all the
"angels" also stood with him. That is the reality of that situation.   

>>and the sorry ass aclu wouldn't even help, 

>I'm surprised White Warrior Metzger asked the ACL of Jews.  Then
>again, most Nazi hypocrites come to them for defense eventually. 

Are you saying the aclu is actually a jewish organization?  Well, it's
certainly not.  Jews do have much influence in the aclu, and some of them
are  VERY anti white, and would do Nothing to uphold the very things they
claim to hold so dear, IF it's a question of =white= "rights,"  but
would quickly  bust law ass over issues of =black=   "rights."  However,
they do not  =control= the organization. 

As for "Nazi hypocrites" going to "them" for representation,  "Them"
ain't the aclu. Yes, many of aclu jews are hypocritical to the max, same
as the Vast majority of ALL neolibs. So... no, it's not hypocritical at
all for ANY one or group to seek help from them when they have no money
for a lawyer of their own choosing, which is usually the case. The aclu
is hypocritical for the most part. They take certain racist type cases,
such as the Skokie JNS march, to give the appearance of Standing Tall for
All. It's Pure Bull. 

>Actually, I thought it was a liability case.

You can attach whatever term you like, it Was a First Amendment case and
you know it. But all the sissies ran.

>As for the ACLU jumping with glee, I'd have had a parade.

They'd already had the parades, before and during the trial.  As for
First Amendment "protection," if I expressed my feeling of : "You need
Killing," is that a form of "protected speech, or not?  No doubt if I
said [that] and someone actually Killed you, I would certainly be a
suspect. Therefore, you can understand why I would never say "you need
Killing."  That's a very pointed term, wouldn't you say?

>They were expecting terrorist violence, most likely, a la Bob "Turn me
>over, this side is done" Matthews.

See above!!

>>The perfect environment for a fair and impartial trial... but Might 
>>does make Right, doesn't it?

>So say the Protocols of the Elders of Zion...

So you noticed the similarities?

>He doesn't have to do any of this....all he has to do is prove beyond
>a reasonable doubt that David lied.  He can't.

Get real... They would stand a better chance in Porta La Prince than in
puta port la nd.

>>The Vast majority of Active Antiwhitist are WHITE. Louis Farrakan 
>>probably feels much like =many= active white racist. I wish 
>>him/them well.

>They shoot you as soon as look at you.....wake up.

So you live with your head in the sand.  When do you come up for air. It
is You, and  the rest of the antiwhitist  who Need to wake up.

>>And this problem would not exist if they lived and governed 
>>themselves in THEIR OWN REGION.

>Quite true, considering that it's mainly white gangsters who import
>dope into black areas.

That is partially true. Asians and Latinos are in that business hot and
heavy. But it makes absolutely no difference Who is bringing drugs into
an area, or where they are coming from. No one race is More responsible
for the problem than another.  But what if the drug business in the inner
city totally dried up... that would remove a lot of cash from that area.
But I guess there are so many good pay jobs available, they'd soon be as
happy and satisfied as they could be.  Well, you can pray that it would
be that way. Looks like a no-win situation for systemites.    

>I heard the same message and thought, "This black man would probably
>thank his slave master for whipping him."

No, just the opposite is true.  You've apparently led a sheltered life,
far from reality. It's either that, or you're just dumber  than dirt.

> Metzger wants all blacks deported;

TM is a separatist.

>Farrakhan wants a separate black nation in America; how do
>you reconcile the two?  You don't.

They are Both separatist!

>>wierd position of being under "attack" from a rainbow coalition of 
>>racial separatist.       

>Wow.  Scary.  Eek.

Yeah, but I was just kidding...  go back to sleep.

>He's not anti-non-White?  Tell that to him...

One more time-- Is the Wulf =anti-Coyote= when he KILLS him for
trespassing?  You antiwhite systemites wee wee at the thought of any
cooperation between Radical RACIAL Separatist of Different races.  

>I have thought about...quick detailedly I may add.

But confusion reigns.

>you're playing with fireworks, Dannie, and you're gonna lose a limb
>someday.

Only a "limb?"  Wow maybe I'll get a pretty bright golden colored ribbon
or  "medal" or some other thing of great  value.

> I have a feeling you're a young man if not a teen.

My mind is thousands of years old... my body seems to have at least a
hundred years of  wear and tear...  even tho it's only about half that...
BUT...  the important thing is... my blood runs Hot, and always has, not
cold and gooie like half-dead things whose brains function the same now
as they did 'then,' and whose bodies were born with crippled spirits, and
much like parasites, they fed off healthy spirits of others.  I do NOT
despise them tho, now that I Much better understand the natures of man.
But I'll still bitch about them.     

>Metzger isn't the Messiah or the answer to anything.

I'm sure TM would be the first to agree with that he certainly isn't
the/a  messiah. 

>You're right that thetruth is within yourself and loving one's self, but this isn't
>achieved through hating others or painting with a broad brush. 

Not ONCE have I  posted anything derogatory about =another= race, or
group of people... NONE !!  But toward my Kind... YES !   

As for "hating," you damn right I do.  I Hate Any and All, with equal
vigor, who personally, or thru others, causes any sort of interference
with the Natural evolution of my Kind. Any one, or group, who causes such
interference,  are Masters of Murderer, Genocidist....  and during the
coming chaos, I feel sure they will be tracked down and Killed, plain and
simple.          

> Lee lost, Hitler lost, Matthews lost, what makes Metzger different?

White Kind has not, In Any Period of  known History, been in the
situation that we're now in.  The world cup runneth over with masses upon
masses of humans who will produce more masses. There is NO place left for
White Kind to run. We have entered The Era that will either mark Our
Ending, or a New Beginning.  Things have changed Much, even since the
days of those Great MEN of The Order.  We're practically in a
hyperevolutionary period... a period of hyperevolving Natural Racial
Thought. 

 And it's not just a =white thing= either.   

>I think you blew  a head gasket, tiny...that didn't make any sense at all.

Sure it did. Boots and Rustie may enjoy  having *dees FOR dinner.

>Apparently you don't read anything that's not available through WAR.

Don't be sillie. But TM is very helpful. He reviews more books (and
movies) than Siskle&Ebert (?)  and reports his reviews on the
619-723-8996 line. This is very helpful to many people.

>Nope.  Nor do I want to.  She was racist trash like her husband, or
>else she woulda left him years before she kicked.  Adios, Kathy.

And I also feel sure Many people will be tracked down and Killed just
because of their arrogant attitude... during this Period of Chaos.   
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From adruid@netdoor.com Fri May  3 08:53:25 PDT 1996
Article: 46424 of alt.conspiracy
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On 30 Apr 1996 10:41:42 GMT, galt@diamonds.cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt) wrote:

>GOSH! I pissed you off SO much that YOU almost BROKE your SHIFT key.

Actually I was thinking how hard it could be to twist off a head from its
attached body.  I was wondering how much more trouble it'd be than
twisting off a bottle cap. I think one should be allowed to use both
hands tho.  

>What is it with this Jr. High posturing?  Are you GOING to ASK me TO
>FIGHT out by THE flagpole next?

Not at all.

>Do YOU really BELIEVE that ANYONE believes YOUR ridiculous ACCUSATIONS?
>btw, "FREEDOM OF CHOICE" does NOT include THE freedom TO execute PEOPLE.

All animals defend their territory. The Wulf will Kill the Coyote if he
catches him trespassing his range.  They do not "execute" the Coyote, but
he dead never the less.  You are living with you head in the sand if you
cannot see the coming chaos.  On the other hand, your short-sightedness
is probably related to your low level preceptive  (dis)ability, and
there's nothing you can do to correct the problem.   

Sounds like you and your multicultural "anarchist" will do everything in
your =power= to see that these type Killings do not occur.  No, not
hardly, but you'd like to see someone else do it. Like I said, you're a
PHONY.   All wimps favor a strong state. You're a fascist.
   
>>No, you are the joke.  Your agenda is multiracialism and wimpism.  

>Wimpism?  :)  

And multiracialism. And you're still a joke.

>btw, here is the message that you posted along with the one that you
>were responding to... In the thread "Re: WAY TO GO RIVERSIDE DEPUTIES! (was
>SHERRIFFS THUMP WETBACKS)"

And it proves you were a liar.
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From adruid@netdoor.com Fri May  3 09:46:34 PDT 1996
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On 30 Apr 1996 10:41:42 GMT, galt@diamonds.cs.utah.edu (Greg Alt) wrote:

>GOSH! I pissed you off SO much that YOU almost BROKE your SHIFT key.

Actually I was thinking how hard it could be to twist off a head from its
attached body.  I was wondering how much more trouble it'd be than
twisting off a bottle cap. I think one should be allowed to use both
hands tho.  

>What is it with this Jr. High posturing?  Are you GOING to ASK me TO
>FIGHT out by THE flagpole next?

Not at all.

>Do YOU really BELIEVE that ANYONE believes YOUR ridiculous ACCUSATIONS?
>btw, "FREEDOM OF CHOICE" does NOT include THE freedom TO execute PEOPLE.

All animals defend their territory. The Wulf will Kill the Coyote if he
catches him trespassing his range.  They do not "execute" the Coyote, but
he dead never the less.  You are living with you head in the sand if you
cannot see the coming chaos.  On the other hand, your short-sightedness
is probably related to your low level preceptive  (dis)ability, and
there's nothing you can do to correct the problem.   

Sounds like you and your multicultural "anarchist" will do everything in
your =power= to see that these type Killings do not occur.  No, not
hardly, but you'd like to see someone else do it. Like I said, you're a
PHONY.   All wimps favor a strong state. You're a fascist.
   
>>No, you are the joke.  Your agenda is multiracialism and wimpism.  

>Wimpism?  :)  

And multiracialism. And you're still a joke.

>btw, here is the message that you posted along with the one that you
>were responding to... In the thread "Re: WAY TO GO RIVERSIDE DEPUTIES! (was
>SHERRIFFS THUMP WETBACKS)"

And it proves you were a liar.
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From adruid@netdoor.com Fri May 10 11:02:28 PDT 1996
Article: 98902 of alt.politics.correct
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On Mon, 06 May 1996 16:38:52 GMT, cr@dreamland.net (Chaotic Resonance)
wrote:
:>On 8 Nov 1995 07:33:31 GMT, Jerry F. Razin  wrote:
:>->     My name is Jerry Razin. On Wednesday
:>->November 22, exactly two weeks from 
:>->this date, I will be dead.
:>
:>(Snipped alot of reasons, cynisism (Did I spell that right?), etc...)
:>
:>Ok, now, what makes you think erasing yourself will solve anything. 

Every so often I'd think of the original posted myself. I too would hope
no one would Kill Themselves for Mother Earth.  However, I would
certainly understand if he'd decided to walk into a board meeting of a
multinational  (chemical for instance) with a body-bomb.  Yes, I could
understand very much, and so would many others... in due time.
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On Fri, 3 May 1996 07:48:58 GMT, foodie@netcom.com (Jamie Lawrence)
wrote:
>I hope that at least some of you (perhaps some more than
>others...)

Yeah, the more stupid ones.

>notice the irony of using computers to discuss the relative merits of Unabomber philosophy.

And if you, after reading his philosophy,  agreed with it, you'd
immediately trash your computer, and run off to live in a cabin secluded
in a remote area. It's Small Minded people who use the type of "argument"
you're using.   
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From adruid@netdoor.com Sat May 11 09:25:37 PDT 1996
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On Fri, 3 May 1996 07:48:58 GMT, foodie@netcom.com (Jamie Lawrence)
wrote:
>I hope that at least some of you (perhaps some more than
>others...)

Yeah, the more stupid ones.

>notice the irony of using computers to discuss the relative merits of Unabomber philosophy.

And if you, after reading his philosophy,  agreed with it, you'd
immediately trash your computer, and run off to live in a cabin secluded
in a remote area. It's Small Minded people who use the type of "argument"
you're using.   
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From adruid@netdoor.com Sat May 11 11:54:29 PDT 1996
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On Mon, 06 May 1996 16:38:52 GMT, cr@dreamland.net (Chaotic Resonance)
wrote:
:>On 8 Nov 1995 07:33:31 GMT, Jerry F. Razin  wrote:
:>->     My name is Jerry Razin. On Wednesday
:>->November 22, exactly two weeks from 
:>->this date, I will be dead.
:>
:>(Snipped alot of reasons, cynisism (Did I spell that right?), etc...)
:>
:>Ok, now, what makes you think erasing yourself will solve anything. 

Every so often I'd think of the original posted myself. I too would hope
no one would Kill Themselves for Mother Earth.  However, I would
certainly understand if he'd decided to walk into a board meeting of a
multinational  (chemical for instance) with a body-bomb.  Yes, I could
understand very much, and so would many others... in due time.
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In article <4n0vc6$qbq@news1.panix.com> Andrew Mathis wrote:
>DHawk666xx@gnn.com (dannie  hawkins) wrote:

>>>1) Malice aforethoght
>>>2) Intent to do harm
>>>3) Knowfully lying.

>You only have to prove two of three; It's easy to prove 1 and 2 if 
>you can prove a pattern.

And who in the media would be stupid enough to creat a *pattern of 
false stories on an individual? Those laws (elements of) are more 
for protecting the media than the individual. But even so, I cannot 
see how you think proving 1 & 2 would be easy at all. 1 & 2 sound 
more like a grand jury indictment for a serious criminal offence in 
which the state believes it can produce a credible witness(es), and 
without such, they would have no case.    

>I believe, were the words I used.  I also believe OJ Simpson is a
>murderer, but the LA Jury disagreed.  No hypocrisy in either case.

My point was I think you're So antiMetzger, you say "I believe" but 
you actually "don't believe." I believe Simpson is "guilty by law" 
also, but I'm glad he beat it.  

>That's, um, "liable" and it's quite different from "libel."

The unwashed =Reality= of that case was: the jury viewed Tom and 
John Metzger to be *libel for producing the WAR journal and the 
Racial Update Line because they disagreed with the content(anti PC, 
radical racist, "seditious," etc.) of both, which, in their stupid 
wimpie minds and swollen blood-shot eyes made them "liable."  End 
of case.   

>Gordon Kahl lived and died like a dog.

Like an Alpha Wulf... you mean.

>Who are the "walking dead"?

I feel I shouldn't tell.

>I'm not talking cops and feds, Dannie.  I'm talking man to man.  I
>don't defend what the feds did at Waco at all.  As for Ruby Ridge, 
>I'm only unhappy that the feds didn't have better aim than they 
>did. I cry no tears for the Weavers.  NONE.  They'd kill me if 
>they could and they know NOTHING about me except that I'm Jewish; 
>why should I care if they buy it?

I couldn't say because I didn't know them, but I'm sure many people 
=will= wish to Kill you during the EoC [Era of Chaos] because of 
your Antiwhite activism. Surely you wouldn't blame them. 

>You're talking devolution, Dannie.  That's destructive, in my 
>book. 

 But DEATH is not?
A simple question... With the present course of Earth Happenings 
remaining constant, does modern man have as much to look forward 
to, than did Primitive Man? 

As for devolution, I'd say civilization has become the greatest 
threat to man Kinds in that(devolution/evolution) regard, due to 
its total unnaturalness that has made modern men into modern mice. 
Modern man is almost totally depend on a =Combination of Others=  
for his day to day survival. We are very much like our pet dogs. 
Very few could survive without civilization. Way too much has been 
made of "evolving man." If one could remove all memory of things 
he'd read of "higher man" (and much other stuff also), and was then 
able to seclude himself for a while and =Think= "again for the 
first time," I believe his views would be quite different.  

>I ain't no Victim, Danno.

Yeah you are booboo.
 
>>and legs off, Then drive a stake thru its Black heart.   

>What is the "beast"?

The "beast" is the system, dodo, and its *support spokes*.

>>But what about the jew-minded anglo baptist?

>What is "jew-minded?"

Elitist systemites, as opposed to sheeple systemites. One whose 
first concern is *self*, which is the most dangerous four-letter 
word known to man, =considering all implications=... power, greed, 
control, etc, etc, over all of humanity. Wars for humanity, No, but 
wars for profit, Yes!

Many of these people are members of international organizations who 
in many cases Probably honestly believe they're more intelligent 
than "commoners" and therefore know what's best for them, which of 
course is best for themselves also. One's =Blood= means NOTHING to 
these people, only -Forms of Power- have =worth= to them. I have no 
hatred for them individually, but collectively-- YES! I view most 
of them as "victims" too -- of the age we're living, where the 
*mind* has become so important, and deep into abstract thought, as 
opposed to the simple flow of Natural Thought. If only one race 
existed, I would still say they are enemies of humanity.   

>>In other words, you wouldn't oppose the idea of seperate nations? 

>As a matter of fact, I wouldn't.  It'd solve a lot of problems.
>Butler can have what he wants, but I want Seattle.

Sorry, I think Seattle has been spoken for.
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In article <4mqrje$eil@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU> Stewart King wrote:
>dannie hawkins (adruid@netdoor.com) wrote:

>>a correction that he (Snider) repeated on his next show.

>Talk show guests aren't really the same thing as news services.

I'm sure you're right, but it's an example of how easy the 
media can air, or write stuff that has no relation to the Truth of 
a matter. A newspaper can run a =front page= "story" based on *some 
facts, that can and do cause all sorts of social, economical, And   
legal("justice") problems. The *victim can send a letter demanding 
a retraction/correction, and the r/c be given equal prominence as 
the libelous article. "Equal prominence" is satisfied *legally by 
publishing the r/c on the op/ed page as a "Letter to the 
Editor." Most "aware" persons know the average person is a front 
page reader, NOT an op/ed'er. If some sort of legal problems arise, 
the majority of potential jurors would Not have read the r/c. 
Needless to say, if the victim is on the high end of the economic 
ladder, he could press the paper for a better "deal."       

>Hee hee.  Due to a typo the above sentence originally read "jews 
>services."  Imagine my shock and embarassment.

You would have had to change your id.

>>All  living Things have a degree of awareness that =is suitable 
>>for their individual Kind=.    

>"Consciousness" generally means more along the lines of 
>"self-awareness" than simple sensory input and instinctive 
>behavior patters.
>I'd love to see a list from you naming exactly which animals you
>think have a consciousness.

"Consciousness" is nothing but a more "sophisticated" way to 
describe "awareness." It's a human spremacist term. "Awareness"... 
was/is just a term used to seperated "us from them," [the "lower" 
critters] who act on "simple sensory input and instinctive behavior 
patterns," as stated by you above, and which is Wrong. For you to 
say [that], would mean you believe the "lower" Things are 
"computerized"... with each individual Kind having their own OS. It 
would mean all individuals within a Kind would =think and act= 
EXACTLY the same.

Non human animals are much different [and smarter, Some more than 
others] than most people give them credit. There are differences in 
personality and intellegence within a Kind that are reconizable if 
one has the time to observe then under Natural [as possible] 
conditions. This is impossible for most people. On the other hand, 
observations by so-called experts are no better than the "experts" 
individual level of perceptions, and this is No Small Matter.       


It's ironic as hell to hear human supremacist speak so highly of 
themselves, yet as a direct result of their mental "supremacy," 
*humanity... even the whole of our biosphere... faces the most 
crucial period of known history, and possibly since the birth of 
Living Things. How many people understand if all humans left Earth, 
in a short time, the biosphere would again be as clean and pure as 
it was ten thousand years ago? (with the exclusion of neuclear 
waste) How many people understand if all micro organisms and 
insects decided to pack up and call it quits, The Whole Damn 
Biosphere Dies? How many people even understand we're drinking the 
very same water, and breathing the same "air" that first existed on 
Earth? How many people understand "that's the way it is" because 
our biosphere is a sealed re-cycling unit, and [that] is what makes 
all this possible? 

Now... does it really matter if other Animals don't plan ahead any 
more than they do... and build bigger and better things, so they 
could enjoy an easier and softer life? Could it be THEY are the 
"smart" ones, and human supremacist are the "dumb"... the 
short-sighted and narrow-viewed... All Things Considered? 
 
You should make it a point to drop by and have a chat with prof 
Edward Wilson on this subject since you're at Harvard. I'd bet he'd 
be more than happy to discuss it with you. Needless to say, I have 
no idea what his thoughts may be, but he's certainly someone I'd  
enjoy visiting with, to hear his views on this sub.  
--
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On 10 May 1996 07:54:35 GMT, slking@husc7.harvard.edu (Stewart King)
wrote:
>PS.  In case anyone feels like arguing the species point I've got Marco 
>here in my archives.

I'm glad you posted this because I haven't seen it before, and will reply
almost 4 months late...  I feel sure you'll let "Marco" know about this
so he can enlighten everyone a little more.

>From: msimons@scws35.harvard.edu (Marco Simons)
>Subject: Re: Racism != Paganism.
>Followup-To: alt.politics.nationalism.white,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.usa,alt.pagan,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.save.the.earth
>Date: 26 Jan 1996 17:44:57 GMT

>dannie hawkins (adruid@netdoor.com) wrote:
>:Genus Canis includes all RELATED _species_ in the dog family _Canidae_
>:which also includes ALL Dog Kinds, ie, Fox, African Wild Dog, Domestic Dog etc.

>The genus _Canis_ has four extant species: _Canis latrans_, the coyote, 
>_Canis lupus_, the grey or timber wolf, _Canis familiaris_, the dog, and 
>_Canis rufus_, the red wolf. 

You're right of course. I mutilated the bio order. The first sentence
should have read:  "The dog family _Canidae_ includes all  Related..." 

> (There is some controversy among the scientific community whether
> the red wolf is actually a separate species.)

Only one of MANY on-going controversies in science.  It's been
established by science, (altho everyone with eyes could plainly see) that
the so-called red wolf is a hybrid of Coyote and Wulf, and appears very
much a Coyote, and very little a Wulf.. The red "wolf" could easily be a
product  from Indians or early white settlers having domesticated Wulf
and Coyote pups.    

The red wolf would not even exist today without the intervention of man,
thru the red wolf recovery program that took at least a decade of
captive, and very selective, breeding before they were "released" in a
few (1 or 2) =controlled= habitats. If left along, he would have Very
Soon become a Coyote or become extinct.  The red wolf doesn't have a
future outside his controlled area.  It was and is a stupid program.

>Among these species, there are a number of extant subspecies (ex: _Canis 
>lupus tundarum_, the tundra wolf).  The differences between any two of 
>these subspecies would very likely be greater than the total genetic 
>variation among all humans.

Oh really?  And just what "very likely"  grounds do you have for saying
that?  Seems to me, for someone to say such a thing, they should have
evidence... "scifax"... that should be available.  But "very likely" is
Not science. There are many people who want such facts, however  it would
make absolutely no difference to another "many people."  But You are
playing "science" so can you prove it? 

>: And yes, the Wulf, Coyote and domestic dogs CAN produce fertile
>: offspring. You may be the only person in the world that does not know
>: this. 

>This is true.  It may well be possible that humans and chimpanzees can 
>produce fertile offspring as well.  The ability to produce fertile 
>offspring is not the biological definition of a species.  As stated by 
>Ernst Mayr, Professor of Biology Emeritus at Harvard (and EO Wilson's 
>colleague) in 1940: "Species are groups of actually or potentially 

^^^^^^^^^
"potentially" sounds Soo unscientific in this context.

>interbreeding natural populations, which are reproductively isolated from 
>other such groups." (E. Mayr 1940, Species phenomena in birds, _American 
>Naturalist_ 74: 249-278.)  This is known as the Biological Species 
>Concept (BSC).

Wilson's _The DIVERSITY OF LIFE_ pg405: ...  the.... 
          BIOLOGICAL SPECIES CONCEPT: 
a population or series of populations of organisms that [freely]
interbreed with one another in natural conditions [but not with other
species].
Wording is a wee bit different, but Big difference.
 
>This is not the only species concept used by biologists, but it is the 
>most prevalent and will serve for the purposes of this discussion.

I agree.

>: Using The SAME scientific Principles for humans we get:
>: The human [Family Hominidae] = dog [Family Canidae] 
>: Genus Homo [related human Kind] =  Genus Canis [related dog Kind]
>: Canis Wulf [Lupus] = Homo White [Caucuscoid] or
>: Canis Coyote [ Latrans] = Homo Black [Negroid] 
>: The above is simplified, but does not deviate from evolutionary
>: biology's basic principle of....  _Under Natural Conditions_.

>Okay.  A few reasons why this is, well, wrong.  First, there have never 
>been shown to be any reproductively isolated frontiers between human 
>populations.

Which of course explains why  we all look so much alike*.....
What I said above did NOT violate the principles of BSC.

>Wherever humans come into contact with one another, they 
>interbreed. 
 
Which further explains why all humans look so much alike..... 

>This is not the case for coyotes, dogs, and wolves. 

Not unless they're domesticated.  It Should be Very apparent that [it]
was not the case for earlier human groups either, for reasons that should
be obvious. 

> Coyotes and grey wolves hybridize along a narrow zone in the northern
> USA and Canada.

And here, you contradict yourself from your last comment. Don't do that.

>"Reproductive isolation" under the BSC can mean behavioral 
>isolation, such that even though two different species are capable of 
>producing fertile offspring, under natural conditions this is 
>sufficiently rare to maintain the genetic differences between them.

I agree.   _Under Natural Conditions_ Is The Key.  I guess the "key"
should be repeated over and over, so it will begin to sink in... 

>In humans, any identifiable reproductive isolation comes from one of two 
>sources: geographic or cultural.

You cannot make such a blanket statement on humans unless you qualify it
with a =time= element. You're thinking/talking in terms of the last few
thousand years, much of which was already beyond Natural Thought within
many human groups. As for "cultural"... So what?  Do you think Natural
Instincts are stricken from a developing culture?  If you don't have an
understanding of =species survival instincts= , you need to stop whatever
you're doing and start all over. You keep forgetting that humans are
ANIMALS.  No, I doubt  you're forgetting, you just refuse to accept it,
or you are a human supremacist. Non human animals have cultures also, you
just don't understand them. You fail to notice because of their
subtleness.      

>In the first case, there are numerous examples of geographically isolated
> populations of the same species (grey wolves, for example, of the New
>and Old worlds).

Much like early human isolation.  

>In the second case, cultural isolation (such as, for example, cases in which
> Anglo-Americans will simply refuse to interact with African-Americans) is not a 
>biologically valid reason for species differentiation.

And here you Really leave ="the temple of hard science"= in order to
advance your social beliefs/ agenda. This is Exactly what Richard C.
Lowentin and Stephen J. Gould are known for doing. For you to say... "is
not a biologically valid reason"  is to invalidate not only human
diversity, but  ALL biodiversity of Planet Earth. 

>I will not have sex with my roommate's girlfriend.  We will never produce fertile 
>offspring.  And yet-- we are still the same species.  Funny, that.

I see nothing funny about it at all, and don't understand why you think
it important to mention, *unless* she's not from your Kind, plus the fact
that you would have had no compunction about going to bed with your
roomie's girlfriend in the first place.

>Third, the generation of a new species requires a speciation event in 
>evolutionary history, a point at which the two species bifurcated and 
>became isolated. There is no evidence that such a bifurcation happened 
>in human populations;

It now looks as if you're offering evidence *against the "out of Africa"
theory. You may be on to something. Keep going.  

Actually I think you've made it very clear ( care to admit?) that you're
a "follower" of gould and lowenstine, (maybe you're one of the two) who
in reality are Antiwhite  *sociologist*  who Try to USE science in order
to further their *oneness agenda.

> _Homo sapiens sapiens_ is about 100,000 years old, 
>originating in Africa, and has undergone no significant genetic 
>differentiation.

And just how much genetic change would you expect?  Remember... we're
still very close (around 98%) genetically  to  the little African
vine-swinger (no offence).  Care to give =details= of  "significant
genetic differentiation" of any other animal family for the past 100,000
years?  =Produce your evidence=    

>Lastly, perhaps most importantly, species are regularly reproductively
>isolated, and thus develop an indentifiable genetic signature.  All grey
>wolves, for example, will be united by a suite of genetic characteristics,
>while all coyotes will share a different set. 

But will STILL share genes, and will Still be able to interbreed.
You're also trying to make "isolation" sound as if it's True Isolation,
and not as most species/subspecies actually exist. Many, if not the
majority, have territory overlap without =visible= signs of hybridizing
of closely related species.  

>The work of Richard Lewontin at Harvard (his title, since you seem so
> interested,

I have Absolutely no interest in him at all, after learning what a
hypocrite he was, same as gould, and the others who attacked Edward
Wilson so under-handedly, over his book, _Sociobiology_, and actually
tried to ruin the man, -destroy his reputation-   Read Wilson's
_NATURALIST_, for details, and a better understanding of the
back-stabbing hypocrites, and their true agenda.  He, and others of his
ilk are Enemies of Natural Law... 

> is the Alexander Agassiz Professor of Zoology in the Museum
> of Comparative Zoology and Professor of Biology) has shown that the
> diversity within individual human races and tribes far exceeds the genetic
> differences

If you're a gene counter only..., yes.  And the same thing could be said
of the Wulf and Coyote, etc.    So....?

>between them--thus, we are all far more alike each other than different. 

Then if we wanted to turn evolution on its heels, we could all screw each
other ( reverse all this Natural Crap) and eventually  we'd be back in
Africa, breeding with the tree-swingers again. Maybe we could talk the
other species into doing the same thing, and sometime down the road, our
biosphere would be like it was in "the beginning."  WOW, now that would
really solve all the problems arising from Nature's diversity. BACKWARDS
HO! 



>: Anyone who Needs science to explain to them how to tell one Kind from
>: another should get: _The Diversity of Life_ by Edward O. Wilson,
>: Professor of Science and Curator in Entomology, Museum of Comparative
>: Zoology, Harvard University. Professor Wilson is a two-time pulitzer
>: prize winner. He is world renowned, and is considered the Dean of
>: Biodiversity studies.

>I don't know where the last title comes from, but Ed Wilson is indeed very
>respected.  I would be interested to see what he has to say about your
>application of his book; try calling him at 617-495-2315. 

I don't think you quite understand. I don't care what Mr Wilson says
about what I may say. The BSC is not OWNED by anyone. I could have read
of it in many books besides Wilson's.  I stand by what I said of using
the SAME BSC principles to identify human Kinds. I could care less what
Wilson or any other "scientist" says anyway.  Common man and his Common
Sense does not need science to tell him what he is, or what he ain't.
That kind of crap only proves to him the "experts" are even more stupid
than he'd thought.  

> Last time I saw him he was talking about the preservation of human cultural
> diversity, but nothing indicates that he somehow disagrees with the Biological Species
>Concept that pretty much everyone else accepts. 

And I haven't  said, or insinuated, that Wilson "disagrees.."   It is
YOU, lowenstin, gould, et al, who disagree with the BSC,  =when dealing
with humans=.  Maybe Ed Wilson, if asked, would not have the courage to
speak on this issue, as it relates to humans, I don't know. But if he
did, and disagreed, he'd be a hypocrite too.  

>Wilson is, in any case, not an evolutionary biologist (unlike, for
>example, Lewontin). 

Really now? Even tho he (Wilson) first came up with the term in 1958, and
began teaching a course titled "Evolutionary Biology" in 1959?  Time for
a little enlightenment here.  The following is a paragraph from Wilson's
_NATURALIST_ (1994) pg345:

  "I wanted to move evolutionary biology into every potentially congenial
subject, roughshod if need be, and as quickly as possible. Lewontin did
not.  By adopting a narrow criterion of publishable research, Lewontin
freed himself to pursue a political agenda unencumbered by science. He
adopted the relativist view that accepted truth, unless based upon
ineluctable fact, is no more than a reflection of dominant ideology and
political power. After his turn to activism he worked to promote his own
accepted truth: the Marxian view of holism, a mental universe within
which social systems ebb and flow in response to the forces of economics
and class struggle. He disputed the idea of reductionism in evolutionary
biology, even though it was and is the virtually unchallenged linchpin of
the natural sciences. And most particularly, he rejected it for human
social behavior."
 
I may agree with some of what lowentin says above, but it's outside the
realm of bio science, it's =social science=.  There's much more, but I
think the above gives a very good insight of lowentin's, et al, true
agenda And character.

>He is an entomologist, and has been criticized in the past for delving
> into broader evolutionary biological subjects.

Yes, by the enemies of BSC and evolutionary biology. The one thing
neoliberals have in common is: they are all hypocrites.  You are pulling
the same ole neoliberal bullshit by trying to paint Wilson as "not being
up to it, out of his class, etc.  He just may be the most knowledgeable
person on the planet, in the field of evolutionary biology. I think from
now on I'll describe myself a Wilsonist instead of a Darwinist, that is,
unless he becomes a hypocrite too.  And you should describe youself as a
lewonstinist,or maybe a... gouldster.

>Nevertheless, there is no reason to suppose that he would support the
>differentiation of humans into different species. 

And or sub/species?  If not, he would be dishonest too. There is no way
out of this UNLESS the "experts" decide to drop the BSC. But would doing
that change anything?  Of course not. That's another thing neolibs have
in common.  They think they  (thru there positions of power) can at will,
decide certain things are no longer true, so they change the "rules," the
"principles," or whatever,  then "light" is "dark" and dark is light.  

>I hope this should be enough to dispel any suspicions that no credible 
>scientist could possibly support the differentiation of humans into 
>several species or subspecies.  Let me know if more clarification is 
>needed on any point.
>--Marco Simons

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In article <4n5vot$l8k@news1.panix.com> Andrew Mathis wrote:
>DHawk666xx@gnn.com (dannie  hawkins) wrote:

>>Ibelieve Simpson is "guilty by law"also, but I'm glad he beat it. 

>Why are you glad a murderer beat the rap?  Because his wife was a
>"race traitor?"

Yes, but also because I don't support the system. =Judicial= is a 
finger on the hand attached to the Long and Deadly Arm of THE LAW, 
which is attatched to the body of the system, and without which, 
the system would collapse. The military cannot hold it together... 
it HAS to have that =seemingly= civilian support personal.

As for OJ, he's a traitor to his people as she was hers, but I view 
both of them as victims... of the "enlightened" BS they received 
while in school, church, etc. So-- I pronunce the system =Guilty= 
by reason of... "Cause and Effect."     


>No, like a dog.

On second thought I'd have to agree, considering how the combo-cops 
murdered him. As many people will do, my first thoughts of Gordon 
Kahl were of him =practically= single-handedly defeating the Ambush 
squad of combo-cops in ND, Killing two, and wounding several 
others. If he had Killed At Least a few more the day of his murder, 
it could be said he did NOT "die like a dog." Yes, people do tend 
to *first remember what they most admire(d) of someone.    

>Something to hide?

Of course not. Do you think I'd put it on here? 
 
>Of course not; I hope they don't blame me if I'm forced to kill 
>them in self-defense.

And that is Exactly the way it's =should= be... for ALL, as 
individuals or, and much more importantly, as a KIND. 

>Sure.

I didn't mean 'things remaining the same as they are now (which is 
bad enough), I meant a =continuation= of ALL happenings on Earth... 
population explosion, ever-growing social unrest,  ever-increasing 
environmental destruction, (land, sea, and air) loss of habitat for 
massive numbers of Wild Things, etc, etc. =ALL Things Considered= 
Primitive Man lived in a "garden of Eden." You obviously have not 
thought of the consequences of having so many humans on Earth. If 
the u.s. and ca have a ONE year drought, it would cause world-wide 
problems that is almost incomprehensible. No, we do NOT (this year) 
have researves of grains for such an occasion. Are you sure you're 
"sure?"      

>>The "beast" is the system, dodo, and its *support spokes*.

>That'd be me, I guess?  I don't support the system any more than 
>you do, Dannie.

If you don't support the system, then you ain't part of that beast, 
but you Are an =active= Antiwhitist, therefore you qualify as a 
"beast," but of a different sort.

>So I take it you don't read Ayn Rand.  And you don't sound like 
>much of a capitalist.

No, I don't, and yes, I ain't. As for ["do" or "don't read,"] that 
carries the implication that one is, or is not, a "student" or 
"follower" of a particular persons thought, views or philosophy. 
For many persons, [that] philosophy does not exist.

The reality of Capitalism today is "Bilderburgerism," (to use an 
ole right-wing term) It's not "mom & pop" stores or farmer McDonald 
down the road. It's "of" and "for" the =international elite=. [It] 
is the fuel pump of/for Their "new world order" and the masses are 
its Slave cylinders.    
     
>Yet, Metzger is a big red-hater.  What does that make you?

"Big red-hater?" One more time... WAR is about RACE FIRST! As TM 
says, there's good points in many differing philosophies. Take and 
use from the "left" as well as the "right." I totally agree. Not 
many years ago, I was a "right-wing constitutionalist," and then 
followed the "Identity" religion a bit. Now I have no "bible," but 
also have No Need for one. After reading TM's book, I know that he, 
along with untold(?) others have traveled paths very similar. So 
"what does that make any of us?  I can only speak for myself, I 
call myself a Naturalist... Mother Nature is my guide.  

>>Sorry, I think Seattle has been spoken for.

>By whom?

Asians... who else? They want Seattle badly. They've got a lock on 
Vancouver (BC) already, so in their view, Seattle would be a wise 
choice... and =for them= it is.

Many Asians have a taste for Canine flesh. I wonder if Canines have 
a taste for Asian flesh? Boots, Rustie..?
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In article <4natt5$589@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU> Stewart King wrote:
>dannie  hawkins (DHawk666xx@gnn.com) wrote:
>:each individual Kind having their own OS. It  would mean all 
>:individuals within a Kind would =think and act= EXACTLY the same.

>don't have time to research both that and all my term papers 
>properly so I'm going to save this article and reply to it in like 
>June or something.

The proper way to research this is to *go into the woods*, go into 
their "homes" so to speak... and be nice and respectful. If you do 
not have the =proper attitude=, you'll see only what you've already 
been programmed to see. This is something that cannot be done 
casually at all, and actually one needs to live among Natural 
Things for a while. Don't confuse this with some sort of "new age" 
or any sort of "animalworship" crapola.    

>As for the rest of this I can't tell if you actually mean it or if 
>you're just trying to make me look like a hypocrite by using the 
>word "supremacist" a lot but either way it's very silly.

"Supremacist" is a proper term to discribe the vast majority of 
"civilized" modern man, regardless of race. When one is ignorant of 
certain things, he is not a hypocrite for voicing his ignorance.
He IS guilty of hypocricy if he attempts any sort of information 
manipulation, bending and twisting established guidelines etc, in 
order to promote a personal agenda, or to discredit that which he 
opposes. It's this type of hypocricy that is happening more often 
at universities, of all places, much like that seen on here. 

>:You should make it a point to drop by and have a chat with prof 
>:Edward Wilson on this subject since you're at Harvard. I'd bet 
>:he'd be more than happy to discuss it with you.

>I'd actually like to try that, but I'm not at all convinced I 
>could actually track him down.  For all I hear he's much more 
>important than I am. 

I'm sure you could track him down if you really wanted to visit 
with him a while. Thing is... you NEED to have an open mind, and a 
real desire for knowledge on this subject, otherwise forget it. I'm 
sure Wilson would recognize this attitude. As for "much more 
important," I think you're confusing him with someone else, (Many 
others). From what I've read of him, and hearing him interviewed 
(once) on npr, I don't believe the man has an elitist bone in his 
body, but he'd certainly not wish to waste time with someone whose 
interest is not True.
--
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>Stewart King				http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slking/



From DHawk666xx@gnn.com Thu May 16 12:51:41 PDT 1996
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In article <4n5vot$l8k@news1.panix.com> Andrew Mathis wrote:
>DHawk666xx@gnn.com (dannie  hawkins) wrote:

>>Ibelieve Simpson is "guilty by law"also, but I'm glad he beat it. 

>Why are you glad a murderer beat the rap?  Because his wife was a
>"race traitor?"

Yes, but also because I don't support the system. =Judicial= is a 
finger on the hand attached to the Long and Deadly Arm of THE LAW, 
which is attatched to the body of the system, and without which, 
the system would collapse. The military cannot hold it together... 
it HAS to have that =seemingly= civilian support personal.

As for OJ, he's a traitor to his people as she was hers, but I view 
both of them as victims... of the "enlightened" BS they received 
while in school, church, etc. So-- I pronunce the system =Guilty= 
by reason of... "Cause and Effect."     


>No, like a dog.

On second thought I'd have to agree, considering how the combo-cops 
murdered him. As many people will do, my first thoughts of Gordon 
Kahl were of him =practically= single-handedly defeating the Ambush 
squad of combo-cops in ND, Killing two, and wounding several 
others. If he had Killed At Least a few more the day of his murder, 
it could be said he did NOT "die like a dog." Yes, people do tend 
to *first remember what they most admire(d) of someone.    

>Something to hide?

Of course not. Do you think I'd put it on here? 
 
>Of course not; I hope they don't blame me if I'm forced to kill 
>them in self-defense.

And that is Exactly the way it's =should= be... for ALL, as 
individuals or, and much more importantly, as a KIND. 

>Sure.

I didn't mean 'things remaining the same as they are now (which is 
bad enough), I meant a =continuation= of ALL happenings on Earth... 
population explosion, ever-growing social unrest,  ever-increasing 
environmental destruction, (land, sea, and air) loss of habitat for 
massive numbers of Wild Things, etc, etc. =ALL Things Considered= 
Primitive Man lived in a "garden of Eden." You obviously have not 
thought of the consequences of having so many humans on Earth. If 
the u.s. and ca have a ONE year drought, it would cause world-wide 
problems that is almost incomprehensible. No, we do NOT (this year) 
have researves of grains for such an occasion. Are you sure you're 
"sure?"      

>>The "beast" is the system, dodo, and its *support spokes*.

>That'd be me, I guess?  I don't support the system any more than 
>you do, Dannie.

If you don't support the system, then you ain't part of that beast, 
but you Are an =active= Antiwhitist, therefore you qualify as a 
"beast," but of a different sort.

>So I take it you don't read Ayn Rand.  And you don't sound like 
>much of a capitalist.

No, I don't, and yes, I ain't. As for ["do" or "don't read,"] that 
carries the implication that one is, or is not, a "student" or 
"follower" of a particular persons thought, views or philosophy. 
For many persons, [that] philosophy does not exist.

The reality of Capitalism today is "Bilderburgerism," (to use an 
ole right-wing term) It's not "mom & pop" stores or farmer McDonald 
down the road. It's "of" and "for" the =international elite=. [It] 
is the fuel pump of/for Their "new world order" and the masses are 
its Slave cylinders.    
     
>Yet, Metzger is a big red-hater.  What does that make you?

"Big red-hater?" One more time... WAR is about RACE FIRST! As TM 
says, there's good points in many differing philosophies. Take and 
use from the "left" as well as the "right." I totally agree. Not 
many years ago, I was a "right-wing constitutionalist," and then 
followed the "Identity" religion a bit. Now I have no "bible," but 
also have No Need for one. After reading TM's book, I know that he, 
along with untold(?) others have traveled paths very similar. So 
"what does that make any of us?  I can only speak for myself, I 
call myself a Naturalist... Mother Nature is my guide.  

>>Sorry, I think Seattle has been spoken for.

>By whom?

Asians... who else? They want Seattle badly. They've got a lock on 
Vancouver (BC) already, so in their view, Seattle would be a wise 
choice... and =for them= it is.

Many Asians have a taste for Canine flesh. I wonder if Canines have 
a taste for Asian flesh? Boots, Rustie..?
--
WAR. POB 65. FALLBROOK,CA 92088         [metzger@cts.com]
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>Write the other way."
>               --Juan Ramon Jimenez




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In article <4natt5$589@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU> Stewart King wrote:
>dannie  hawkins (DHawk666xx@gnn.com) wrote:
>:each individual Kind having their own OS. It  would mean all 
>:individuals within a Kind would =think and act= EXACTLY the same.

>don't have time to research both that and all my term papers 
>properly so I'm going to save this article and reply to it in like 
>June or something.

The proper way to research this is to *go into the woods*, go into 
their "homes" so to speak... and be nice and respectful. If you do 
not have the =proper attitude=, you'll see only what you've already 
been programmed to see. This is something that cannot be done 
casually at all, and actually one needs to live among Natural 
Things for a while. Don't confuse this with some sort of "new age" 
or any sort of "animalworship" crapola.    

>As for the rest of this I can't tell if you actually mean it or if 
>you're just trying to make me look like a hypocrite by using the 
>word "supremacist" a lot but either way it's very silly.

"Supremacist" is a proper term to discribe the vast majority of 
"civilized" modern man, regardless of race. When one is ignorant of 
certain things, he is not a hypocrite for voicing his ignorance.
He IS guilty of hypocricy if he attempts any sort of information 
manipulation, bending and twisting established guidelines etc, in 
order to promote a personal agenda, or to discredit that which he 
opposes. It's this type of hypocricy that is happening more often 
at universities, of all places, much like that seen on here. 

>:You should make it a point to drop by and have a chat with prof 
>:Edward Wilson on this subject since you're at Harvard. I'd bet 
>:he'd be more than happy to discuss it with you.

>I'd actually like to try that, but I'm not at all convinced I 
>could actually track him down.  For all I hear he's much more 
>important than I am. 

I'm sure you could track him down if you really wanted to visit 
with him a while. Thing is... you NEED to have an open mind, and a 
real desire for knowledge on this subject, otherwise forget it. I'm 
sure Wilson would recognize this attitude. As for "much more 
important," I think you're confusing him with someone else, (Many 
others). From what I've read of him, and hearing him interviewed 
(once) on npr, I don't believe the man has an elitist bone in his 
body, but he'd certainly not wish to waste time with someone whose 
interest is not True.
--
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>Stewart King				http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slking/



From DHawk666xx@gnn.com Fri May 17 15:20:10 PDT 1996
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From: DHawk666xx@gnn.com (dannie  hawkins)
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Subject: Re: Comrades in Poland Under Attack!
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In article <4ndu6n$38g@soap.news.pipex.net> ITP wrote:

>Produce cheap posters denouncing this Red terror. Let's face it, 
>unless we act it's going to get worse. A bit of activity now could 
>save our Comrades from more death, mutilation, rape, incarceration 

Posters? Sounds to me what is needed in a situation such as you 
have discribed, is =BALLS=. A war is not won by using LESS force 
than an enemy is using against "you." 
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An interview, followed by an internet debate, with WAR's Tom Metzger was
scheduled to be aired on Public Tv's _Lehrer News Hour_ this week. Like a
real dummie, I forgot to post it, but there's still one day left, if it
hasn't already aired. I don't have cable, so  many times, as it has been
lately,  interference is too great for reception. 
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POB 65                   [$40 CA & $50 foreign]           (FAX 619-728-9817)
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Subject: TOM METZGER =WAR=
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 16:12:07 GMT
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An interview, followed by an internet debate, with WAR's Tom Metzger was
scheduled to be aired on Public Tv's _Lehrer News Hour_ this week. Like a
real dummie, I forgot to post it, but there's still one day left, if it
hasn't already aired. I don't have cable, so  many times, as it has been
lately,  interference is too great for reception. 
--
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RACIAL NEWS + Q&A.619-723-8996 approx 15min. updated Sun.5pm PT
http://www.free.cts.com/crash/m/metzger  [WAR articles etc]
DIAL-A-RACIST 900-336-2020 ext 573 [$2min.max 4min]


From adruid@netdoor.com Fri May 24 11:43:56 PDT 1996
Article: 48491 of alt.activism
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Subject: Re: Newt campaigns. Democrats jump for joy!
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On Mon, 20 May 1996 17:46:42 GMT, alan@oes.amdahl.com (Alan Bomberger)
wrote:
>The 30% who like Newt are the ones that have actually listened to more
>than the TV news soundbites.

You have that ass-backwards... if that 30% new newt like I know newt
they'd wonna nuke newt.
--
WAR.POB 65. FALLBROOK,CA 92088                 [metzger@cts.com]
WAR Journal. 3$ea. 30yr usa. 40ca. 50foreign   [FAX 619-728-9817]
NEWS/COMMENTS + Q&A.619-723-8996 approx 15min. updated Sun.5pm PT
http://www.free.cts.com/crash/m/metzger  [WAR articles etc]
DIAL-A-RACIST 900-336-2020 ext 573 [4min.msg 2$min]


From adruid@netdoor.com Fri May 24 20:43:55 PDT 1996
Article: 377938 of talk.politics.misc
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On Mon, 20 May 1996 17:46:42 GMT, alan@oes.amdahl.com (Alan Bomberger)
wrote:
>The 30% who like Newt are the ones that have actually listened to more
>than the TV news soundbites.

You have that ass-backwards... if that 30% new newt like I know newt
they'd wonna nuke newt.
--
WAR.POB 65. FALLBROOK,CA 92088                 [metzger@cts.com]
WAR Journal. 3$ea. 30yr usa. 40ca. 50foreign   [FAX 619-728-9817]
NEWS/COMMENTS + Q&A.619-723-8996 approx 15min. updated Sun.5pm PT
http://www.free.cts.com/crash/m/metzger  [WAR articles etc]
DIAL-A-RACIST 900-336-2020 ext 573 [4min.msg 2$min]



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