The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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From Avocado Fri Oct 11 17:04:14 PDT 1996
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From: Avocado
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Subject: Re: Auschwitz: Myths and Facts
Date: 11 Oct 1996 14:42:50 -0700
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In <325D5590.3623@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

> Chuck actually wrote these words, whereas Jeffery, who seems to be a 
> cut and paste expert wrote not a word of this post.
> He picks out Nazi propaganda from an admitted Nazi supporter and 
> notorious Holocaust denier, and submits a whole bunch of the same old 
> crappola that Weber and his gang of wannabe Nazis send out as proof 
> that the Holocaust didn't happen. So what Jeffery has done here is 
> join forces with known liars which makes Jeffery a known liar also.
> 
> Shit, Jeffery, I could do this kind of crap all day long, without 
> having to produce a single original thought. 
> 
> It's bullshit, pal. The Holocaust happened like we say it happened, in 
> the manner that the Nazis made it happen, and we can prove it.
> 
> You on the other hand are full of it just like Weber and the rest.
> 
> Notice the plea for money from Weber. This is flim-flam, pal. These 
> guys are just whores. They do it for the money.

Really?  There's more money in revisionism than in the Holocaust, INC?

You are such a hateful person, sir.

Why don't you give up and post something meaningful about your experiences
in the war.


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From: Pumpkin
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In <3261eb6f.54767811@news.srv.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

> Oh, get off it. If a popularization by a non-specialist issued by a
> trade publisher makes a mistake, most people refer to it as poorly
> researched. You, on the other hand, seem to see a big conspiracy to
> pull the wool over all our eyes.

Do the Holocaust "experts" even care one way or the other?

> --
>  John Morris                               
>  at University of Alberta     
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/
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From: Turnip
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In <325ef424.2130870@199.0.216.204> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

> 	Moran loves and hates.
> 
> Moran loves onions, but hates liver.

I love calf liver, and hate onions.

> Moran hates TV.

I hate it, but watch it anyway.

> Moran loves filet mignon.
> 
> Moran hates chuck steak.
> 
> Moran loves most bugs, but hates mosquitos and fleas.

I love pill bugs and ladybugs.

> Moran hates traffic.
> 
> Moran hates Zionist mentality.
> 
> Moran is so so on people but he loves animals.

I love female people.

> Moran hates pineapple on pizza pie.

I love it and lots of pepperoni.

> Moran loves plants.

Ditto, as long as if they're not mine.

> Moran hates the U.S. system for bowing to Jewish activity.

Ain't the system, but the people running it.

> Moran loves freedom of speech.
> 
> Moran hates censoring mentalities.
> 
> Moran loves vanilla ice cream.

I love Haagan-Daz sorbet, eat it by the pint.

> Moran hates the U.S. Congress.

But the elections offer the potential for change.

> Moran is so so on baseball but loves tennis and boxing.
> 
> Moran hates weak and cowardly.

In myself, but I don't mind if enemies adopt it.

> Moran loves wisdom and hates ignorance.
> 
> 
> Moran has the capacity to love and hate everything, depending on time
> and circumstances. Sometimes the hate comes and goes. Sometimes it
> sticks around.

Golly, your human!
From Almond Fri Oct 11 18:10:17 PDT 1996
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From: Almond
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In <53i03o$s1d@Networking.Stanford.EDU> Anonymous writes:

> In article <199610092235.SAA04366@anon.lcs.mit.edu>, "Secret Squirrel" writes:
> 
> >LABOUR PLEDGE TO LEGISLATE AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL
> >
> >A Labour government will act to make Holocaust denial a criminal 
> >offence, Opposition leaders pledged this week.
> >
> >The Blackpool conference continued the party's courting of the Jewish 
> >community. Tony Blair led almost the entire Shadow Cabinet at LFI's 
> >fringe meeting, which drew more than 500 people.
> >
> >In his address, Mr Blair said the Jewish community's principles were 
> >"precisely those things for which Labour stands today... The renewal 
> >of our ties with the communities is one of the best things that has 
> >happened to us."
> 
> Larry, if you're trying to say that good Nazis like you should vote
> against Labour, think again. Winston Churchill was Tory, I believe. And
> doesn't Labour tend to be more sympathetic to the Palestineans and less to
> the state of Israel? Not to mention the promise that criminalizing your
> propaganda might give it that ever-so-fashionable "censored" cachet.

There you go again, blaming the victim for his persecution.

> Then again, no one ever said your lot were very bright.

At least we have idealism.

Vote BNP!


From Lettuce Fri Oct 11 18:11:07 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: What is Holocaust denial?
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In <3267da56.10237855@199.0.216.204> tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) writes:

> >How do we know what the reality is?  The Holocaust is probably the best
> >documented event of recent history. 

Yes, there is a duplicity of documents. 

> > If you doubt that, just call the
> >National Archives in Washington, D.C. and ask for a copy of their
> >catalog on the captured Nazi documents!
> 
> 	Here Annie says all you need is a "list" of documents.

We're supposed to trust the hand-picked professionals to interpret 
the originals for us.

> >Another part of the
> >explanation could be the reported fact that Leutcher was paid in excess
> >of $35,000 to prove there were no gas chambers!  Some incentive for his
> >position, huh?

Are you claiming that the Holocaust business isn't about making money,
or raising political capital?

> >  The best weapon against this is education.  Do you know about the
> >Nazi Einsatzgruppen?  They killed about 2 million and never came near a
> >gas chamber.  Do you know that there were only 6 extermination camps and
> >that none of them was located on what is now German soil?  The
> >revisionists are counting on you not to know these things.
> 
> 	When Annie says "education" is the best "weapon" she means one
> sided education, with no dissent permissible.
> 	When Annie says there were 2 million killed by the
> Einsatzgruppens she thinks this is substantial evidence. When Annie
> says do you know there were only 6 extermination camps and none found
> on German soil, she is reciting what revisionists compelled. For Annie
> to imply revisionist would not want the public to know this is
> idiotic, since they are the ones that who use this as part of their
> material and the Holocaust dependent must respond.

Correct.  Revisionists forced the issue.

> >There is Arthur Butz who was a featured speaker at the February 1985
> >Nation of Islam convention in Chicago organized by Louis Farrakhan.  His
> >subject was "International Zionism" but he still managed to include his
> >Holocaust denial thesis.

Sounds like he's an open minded man.

> >     There is Robert Faurisson, a Frenchman, who was convicted in 1983
> >for violation of France's "racial defamation" law.

Do you defend that law?

> >     There is Wilhelm Staeglich, a retired German judge who calls the
> >Holocaust "Zionist atrocity propaganda."  

Do you deny it?

> >And, how about Friedrich
> >Berg?  He lives in New Jersey and tries to mobilize support against
> >teaching the Holocaust in public schools.  In a letter to his governor,
> >he referred to such curriculum materials as "filth."

It's "filth," all right, political pornography, it foments hatred.

> >     There is Ditlieb Felderer of Sweden.  Like Faurisson, Felderer has
> >been convicted in his native country for disseminating hate material. 

Do you defend laws against so-called hate material?

> >He is known as the source of mailings to leaders of European Jewish
> >communities containing locks of hair and pieces of fat with enclosed
> >letters asking recipients if they could identify the contents as
> >Hungarian Jews gassed in Auschwitz.

Yippee!

> >What is Mr. Carto's world-view?  He asserts that Zionists are
> >"predators" who exploit the "guilt" of Western society and "offer us
> >expiation for the sins of our fathers by giving us the magnificent
> >opportunity to contribute to the building of God's promised land for 
> >God's chosen people with our tax money." 

Isn't this a popular belief?  Is Mr. Carto lying about this?

> >However, if the
> >public can be made to doubt the Holocaust even a little bit, the
> >revisionists believe that support for Israel and the justification for
> >its existence will evaporate.  

Do you think otherwise?

> >The tangled spider's web extends further into all types of anti-Israel, anti-Jewish

An international anti-semitic conspiracy, eh?

> 	So in the end Annie has not produced one single piece of evidence
> to prove the Holocaust is true, instead simply attacking their
> credibility by citing Debra Lipstadt's material. 

A time honored technique.


From Potato Sat Oct 12 11:07:07 PDT 1996
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From: Potato
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In  schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) writes:

> > You know.... for years now, I've read that it happend, and for years,
> > I've read it was a hoax.
> > 
> > both sides continue to bicker and flame one another, but there is one
> > question that never seems to come up, that I read a report on last
> > year... WHY??????
>  
> LOTS of people have explained WHY.
>  
> I suggest you start with Daniel Goldhagen's book, he has an excellent
> chapter on the history of anti-Semitism in Germany.

Mr. Goldhagen and many others cover anti-semitism, however he
fails the job, he does not cover the extent of Jewish power in 
Germany in the 20's.

The book can be recommended as a study of Holocaust political
psychology, but a poor work on anti-semitism.

A denial of anti-semitism as a political desire is stupid.

Jews can act collectively, so can anti-semites!

> After that, I'm sure we can suggest quite a few other places.
>  
> Just because YOU haven't discovered any research on WHY doesn't mean it
> doesn't exist, Spunky.


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From: Potato
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In <53h21m$p2j@Networking.Stanford.EDU> Anonymous writes:

> >History always fails to remind us that it was the Zionist Jews who
> >took over Christian Russia in the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, and
> >formed the Russian Communist Party, and committed Genocide against
> >Christians and others, 10 fold of what the Nazis ever killed.
> 
> History also fails to mention that Elvis is alive and well, working at a
> truck stop in Fort Mojave, Arizona. Why are you interested in the story
> that has less personal relevance to you?

Are you denying the relevency of Soviet Bavaria 1918 to the rise
of anti-semitic politics?

> book, Goebbel's claim that Time Magazine ran a positive review of
> Kaufman's kooky book advocating the sterilization of the German people. In
> fact the original review, and the editorial clarification printed in the
> letters section, were rather different, as anyone reading them in print or
> on Nizkor would agree.

You've posted it here, it looks like a positive review to me.

> The reason the Holocaust happened, Gary, is that people just like you were
> fed, and were willing to believe, blatant lies designed to incite
> murderous hatred against innocent people. Ordinary Germans could perhaps
> be excused, because they were exposed to little else; but Gary Livermore
> lives in a free, democratic country with excellent libraries, and an
> Internet connection to boot. For Gary Livermore to accept and spread Nazi
> propaganda is in my view worse than the actions of the ordinary German
> during the Holocaust. You have a choice.

We have idealism.

The radical political strata of the populace is sooner or later to
get power.


From Nectarine Sat Oct 12 11:08:10 PDT 1996
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From: Nectarine
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In <53hv71$2u4@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

> >*In Germany, these turkeys would behind bars. In America, we allow 
> >*people like these two to spread their obscene bullshit, until someone 
> >*dies at their hands, as in the case of their conviction. 

Television kills more people every year than racists.

> >WHOM did Tom or John Metzger kill, Tarantula?
> 
> Indirectly, a Mr. Seraw, now deceased, of Ethiopia and Portland,
> Oregon.
> 
> >The Metzger "Trial" was a bad replay of a 1938 Moscow court-room!
> >Yeah, the Holo-Gestapo works overtime under the ZBR leadership.

Ah, the trial of the Trotsky-Zinoviev conspiracy.

> As for Johhny Boy's peformance on "Geraldo," there is a law in New
> York State, wherein the "assault" on John Metzger by Roy Innes of CORE
> took place, that states that a person may sue for assault, but the
> judge and/or jury may assess blame to the provoker of the assault and
> award no damages in such cases.  
> 
> See, John Metzger just finished called  a rabbi sharing the stage with
> him a "kike" and calling Roy Innes an "Uncle Tom."  Them's fightin'
> words, Dipper!  No judge in NYC (1 million Jews and counting!) would
> convict Innes or award Metzger any damages in such a case.

New York law gets even worse than that.

Corrupt to the core.

New York City is a warning about the cultural and ethics of Jews, at
least of their leadership.

> Metzger is a spoiled little asshole; and unfortunately, he's
> reproduced.

Spoiled?

Your kind has it easy, Judiasm is for the gutless, the lazy.


From Nectarine Sat Oct 12 11:08:39 PDT 1996
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In <325A63E6.7611@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

> I know Tom Metzger and I know a great deal about his son. 

Really?  How did you get to know them?

> Tom is a Nazi, white supremist, his son is the same. Both have been 
> tried and convicted of crimes committed in the name of their 
> organization, in Portland, Oregon. Metzger lost his business, his 
> home, and all other assets. He is still promoting racial hatred, as is 
> his half-witted son.

Actually, they were never convicted of a crime, methinks they were 
never even arrested or charged.  That didn't keep a court from levying 
a judgement designed to deprive them of home and business, in
contravention of the law.  It was a political trial, nothing else.

And the fools refused offers of legal help from others, so it's
rumored.

> In Germany, these turkeys would behind bars. In America, we allow 
> people like these two to spread their obscene bullshit, until someone 
> dies at their hands, as in the case of their conviction. 

So you are satisfied with your position in life and don't want
there ever to be change.  Whether you can retain this viewpoint
through a market crash, riot, or some other economic or social
destructriveness, is open to question.

As for Germany, her denial of nationalist politics into the political
arena may be accepted by most citizens, however those who don't
like their lot in life are attracted to things which are illegal.
Not the best motive, oh well, but dissatisfaction is the inspirant 
for much of radical ideology, shams excepted.

> Doesn't matter in this case "like father, like son." Both complete 
> assholes. And I can prove it.

Nope.


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In <53ba53$1h1@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com> zenoink@ix.netcom.com(Zenoink) writes:

> In  Haim
> Guivon  writes: 
> >
> >
> > 
> >> I have decided to put my money where my heart is.  I really
> >> don't want anything to do with anyone but white people.
> >> I prefer not to do business with Jews, Hispanics, Blacks,
> >> Asians, and all the other races.  And, please don't bother
> >> to send a lot of e-mail;  my delete key works really
> >> well.
> >> 
> >> If you are white, we would like your business.  Otherwise,
> >> please just stay away.
> >> 
> >> Star Electronics 
> >> c/o Mark Wrhel 
> >> 3115 Foothill Blvd., Suite M233 
> >> LaCrescenta, CA 91214
> >> 
> >> PH# (818)948-0817
> >> 
> >===============================================================
> >Sir,
> >According to American Law, you should be indicted, judged and 
> >put behind bars. Your Nazi propaganda does not belong to a 
> >civilized nation. I sternly hope that your business goes 
> >bankrupt, so you need to go and look for work at some "other 
> >race" business owner. And that you have to say to him "yesser, 
> >nossir". Your Chief a Staff was a Black. And he gave the 
> >orders, and you obliged. And President Kennedy was an Irish 
> >Catholic. Is this a "race", too????
> >Haim, a Jew by birth, a human person by choice.
> 
> Haim, I sympathize with your distress over this type of post, but you
> go too far in your comments.  American law forbids discirimination like
> this only insofar as some customer decides to sue for discrimination. 
> It is often hard to prove.  (Of course this guy's post should certainly
> make it easier if someone wants to take up the cause.)
> 
> No--this guy does NOT belong behind bars; this is a civil and not a
> criminal matter and that makes a very important difference in American
> law--and it should.
> 
> Two questions, though: Is this a real company?  Is the poster even
> associated with it?  I would hate to see a business hurt by a hoax.

It was forged to look like it came from aol, and was probably done as
a hoax of itself, or to harass a specific business or person.

There have been plenty of harassments by anti-racists in attempts to
make racists look guilty.


From Bannana Sat Oct 12 12:05:44 PDT 1996
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From: Bannana
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: HITLER SAID THE JEWS WERE THE BIG LIARS
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In <53lkvm$b8m@scoop.eco.twg.com> chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) writes:

> In article ,
> Jeffrey   wrote:
> >
> >Hitler and the 'Big Lie' 
> >It has been repeated so often that virtually no one bothers to challenge
> >it: Adolf Hitler created and used the "Big Lie," one of his many evil
> >techniques. As holds true for so many things we are told, this belief,
> >too, must be examined to see the underlying truth. 
> 
> I think you're misunderstanding the claims here. There are two
> seperate statements involved:
>    - Hitler described and named the "Big Lie" technique. (This 
>      isn't to say that he "created" it; it's been around for
>      a long time.)
>    - Hitler also used the "Big Lie" technique, frequently and
>      effectively.
> 
> The text that you quoted supports both of these claims. It
> shows Hitler describing the technique. It also shows Hitler
> using the technique, by making the false statement that the
> Jewish community represents a "race" rather than a religion.

That's another example of how Jews are addicted to lying.

Jews like to pretend, yes!

> (He apparently suckered a lot of people with that one. 
> Bizarre.)
> 
> No one is saying that Hitler *admitted* he was using the Big
> Lie technique. In fact, the Big Lie technique doesn't work
> if you admit you're using it. Think about it!

The lie that race doesn't exist?


From Apricot Wed Oct 16 07:31:53 PDT 1996
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: AN(ne) F(r)A(n)KE
Date: 16 Oct 1996 02:46:00 -0700
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In  mvanalst@rbi.com (Mark Van Alstine) writes:

> In article <53mrei$nlt@crl3.crl.com>, Apricot wrote:
> 
> > In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:
> > 
> > >    For an excellent treatment of this subject, see "Denying the 
> > > Holocaust: 
> > >    The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory", by Deborah Lipstadt, 
> > > published by the Free Press, ISBN 0-02-919235-8.
> > 
> > Why read the book?  If this excerpt means anything, it's just categorical 
> > statements, without explainations.
> > 
> > >    In 1981, the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation submitted
> > >    Anne Frank's handwritten diaries to the Dutch State Forensic Science
> > >    Laboratory of the Ministry of Justice to determine their authenticity.
> > >    The State Forensic Science Laboratory examined the materials used--
> > >    the ink, paper, glue, etc.--and the handwriting and issued a report of
> > >    some 270 pages.  "The report of the State Forensic Science Laboratory
> > >    has convincingly demonstrated that both versions of the diary of Anne
> > >    Frank were written by her in the years 1942 to 1944.  The allegations
> > >    that the diary was the work of someone else (after the war or
> > >    otherwise) are thus conclusively refuted."  Furthermore, that "despite
> > >    corrections and omissions..._The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank_ [i.e., the
> > >    published version of the diaries] does indeed contain `the essence' of
> > >    Anne's writings, and that there are no grounds on which the term
> > >    `forgery' can be applied to the work of the editors or publishers of
> > >    the book." <1>
> > > 
> > >    1.  Anne Frank, _The_Diary_of_Anne_Frank:_The_Critical_Edition_,
> > >        Prepared by the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation,
> > >        edited by David Barnouw and Gerrold Van Der Stroom, (New York,
> > >        Doubleday, 1989) p. 166.
> > 
> > Yes, I've read this section of this version, it's just inflammatory
> > statements without even a clue as to how the integrity of the work
> > has been proved.
> 
> 
> If the Apricot has read the _The Diary of Anne Frank: The Critical
> Edition_, then the Apricot, would have read the first two paragraphs of
> the section regarding the forensic examination of the book (cf.
> pp.102-165):
> 
> "The findings of the State Forensic Science Laboratory, which was charged
> with the above analysis by the Netherlands State Institute for War
> Documentation, are published in a report of more than 250 pages, which is
> for the most part devoted to handwriting identification.

Wasn't the handwriting done by Anne Frank's father?

> "Because of the length and the detailed technical language used, the full
> report is not suitable for the inclusion in this publication of the
> complete text of the diary of Anne Frank. The following summary has been
> complied, however, in order to convey to the interested lay reader some
> idea of the most important findings.

Right.  "A summary."

> Obviously, given that that the remainder of the section is a report by the
> State Forensic Science Laboratory summerizing their 250 page analysis of
> Anne Frank's diary, it would appear the Apricot either a) lied when it
> said it read this section, or b) read this section and lied about what it
> said.

Sure.


From Watermelon Fri Oct 18 09:41:48 PDT 1996
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In <53vcqh$kq1@Networking.Stanford.EDU> Anonymous writes:

> William Grosvenor, a clinical paranoid psychotic
>  writes:
> >
> >Who can forget all the JEWS in the USA who betrayed their new country to
> >the Soviet Union, starting with the Rosenbergs and others uncovered by the
> >McCarthy hearings?
> 
> You mean like Roy Cohn?

Indeed.  He betrayed McCarthy.


From Grape Fri Oct 18 09:45:51 PDT 1996
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In  rajiv_gandhi@bc.sympatico.ca (Anonymous) writes:

> [snip - quote deleted - please refer to original post, message - id
> <53rrr0$fq6@is05.micron.net>]
> 
> Mr. Capeharts comments are an accusation, not evidence of anything. This is
> the same as my asserting that Kurt Stele is a Joo (tm) hating little
> weasel, and then, as corroborating evidence, providing a quote from the
> Giwer Troll which says that Kurt Stele is a Joo (tm) moron. IF you want to
> provide proof of an assertion, don't present the assertion again. Present
> evidence.

That's what we keep requesting from our enemies.


From Cherry Fri Oct 18 09:47:29 PDT 1996
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From: Cherry
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Subject: Re: A Secret Lie in Nazi Occupied Europe
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In <53t51s$5i1@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com writes:

> In the book, "A Secret Press in Nazi Europe", the
> author writes the following:
> 
> "In the Katin forest, not far from the city of Smolensk
> in White Russia, some five thousand Polish officers 
> were murdered.  They were shot in the head, hands
> tied, and laid in the pits with their hands tied.  In 1943
> the Germans trumped up charges that it was done by the 
> Bolsheviks."  Pg. 15,16.

I hear it was about 14,000 officers and 10,000 civilians 
found in the Kat[iy]n forest.


From Eggroll Fri Oct 18 09:48:15 PDT 1996
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In <3263e183.4370492@news> pgroff@txdirect.net (pgroff) writes:

> On Wed, 16 Oct 1996 02:30:55 GMT, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele)
> wrote:
> 
> (nothing of any great or small import, just nothing.)
> 
> Say Kurtsie, have you mentioned to the Irrational Appliance that your
> last name is Yiddish??? I was also wondering, have you been drinking
> with the toad??

Well, all names that aren't English are Jewish, though even those
who coined English names are Jewish, so everybody is Jewish.

> Nizkor (USA) - Illegal Neo-Nazi Propaganda
> Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/
> Anonymous ftp: http://ftp.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?  
> European mirror: http://www1.de.nizkor.org/~nizkor/
>                         |
>                 In Memory of Pooh.Bah


From Pork Chop Fri Oct 18 09:48:44 PDT 1996
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From: Pork Chop
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In <3263f0db.6020274@news.sure.net> Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) writes:

> The following organizations are now on record for having lined up
> behind the "American" spy for Israel for a commutation and/or
> reduction of his already lenient sentence (last update: 20-Jun-95):
> 
> A.D.L. Irvine, CA. Regional Board
> Avocats Sans Frontiers - (France)
> Agudath Israel of America
> Aish HaTorah - (Toronto)
> American Association of Rabbis
> American Jewish Committee National *
> American Jewish Congress National *
> American Jewish League for Israel
> Americans For A Safe Israel (A.F.S.l.)
> Americans For Progressive Israel
> American Sephardi Federation
> American Zionist Movement
> Amit Women
> Archbishops of San Francisco and Boston
> Ascent Institute (Israel)
> Association of Children of Holocaust Survivors
> Association of Soviet Jewry of Canada
> Atlanta Rabbinical Association
> Atlantic Jewish Council of Eastern Canada
> Baltimore Board of Rabbis *
> Baltimore Jewish Council *
> Bergen County Board of Rabbis
> Beit Halochem (Canada)
> Beth Din-Rabbinical Court of Greater Philadelphia
> B'nai B'rith Canada
> B'nai B'rith International
> B'nai Brith Women - Greater Philadelphia Council
> B'nai Zion
> Board of Deputies of British Jews
> Board of Jewish Ministers of Greater Montreal
> Board of Rabbis of Greater Philadelphia
> Board of Rabbis of Greater Phoenix
> Board of Rabbis of Southern California
> Bridgeport Board of Rabbis (CT)
> B'rith Sholom
> Brooklyn Board of Rabbis
> Buffalo Board of Rabbis
> Calgary Rabbinical Council - (Alberta Canada)
> Canadian Association of Ethiopian Jews
> Canadian Council of Reform Zionists (Kadima)
> Canadian Friends of the International Christian Embassy - Jerusalem
> Canadian Holocaust Remembrance Association
> Canadian Jewish Congress
> Canadian Society for Yad Vashem
> Canadian Volunteers For Israel
> Canadian Zionist Federation
> Cantors Assembly
> Central Conference of American Rabbis
> Central Council of The Jewish Communities in Sweden
> Chabad Lubavitch of Markham Ontario
> Chabad Lubavitch of Southern Ontario
> Chicago Board of Rabbis
> Chicago Rabbinical Council
> Chief Rabbi of Denmark - R Bent Melchior
> Chief Rabbi of Haifa Israel- R S.Y. Cohen
> Chief Rabbi of France - R J. Sitruk
> Chief Rabbis of Israel- R A. Shapira R M. Eliahu
> Chief Rabbi of South Africa- R Cyril Harris
> Child Survivors of The Holocaust- Delaware Valley
> Christian Broadcasting Network Inc. - (CBN/ Rev. Pat Robertson)
> Cincinnati Board of Rabbis
> CIPAC- (Christian Israel Political Action Committee)
> 
> City Councils of:
> Albany, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Miami Beach, Beverly Hills, W.
> Hollywood
> 
> Cleveland Board of Rabbis
> Columbus Board of Rabbis
> Comit  de Coordination des Organisations Juives de Belgique
> Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations *
> Conseil Repr sentatif des Institutions Juives de France (CRIF)
> Cooperation Feminine - France
> Council of Jewish Organizations of Boro Park
> Council of Reform & Liberal Rabbis - U.K.
> Dayton Synagogue Forum (OH)
> Decalogue Society of Lawyers - Chicago, Ill
> Democrats Abroad - (Israel)
> East Bay Council of Rabbis (California)
> Emunah Women of America
> Eternal Life - Hemshesh, Atlanta, Georgia
> European Jewish Congress - Mr. Jean Kahn
> European Parliament
> Evangelical Leadership Campaign to Free Jonathan Pollard
> Executive Council of Austrian Jewry
> Federation of Jewish Men's Clubs Inc.
> Federation of Jewish Men's Clubs - N Y. Metro Region
> Federation of Polish Jews of The United States Inc.
> Fellowship of Traditional Orthodox Rabbis
> Golden Rule Society Inc.
> Greater Orlando Board of Rabbis (Florida)
> Hadassah WIZO Organization of Canada
> Hadassah - Women's Zionist Organization of America
> Herut Likud of Great Britain
> Hineni Heritage Center - N.Y.C.
> Houston Rabbinical Association - TX
> Institute of Woman Today
> Interfaith Resources, Inc.
> International Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists
> International Christian Embassy of Israel
> Jersey Federation of Temple Youth (J.F.T.Y.)
> Jewish Action Initiative (Toronto, Canada)
> Jewish Action Alliance
> Jewish Civil Right Educational Foundation of Canada
> Jewish Community Center on the Palisades (NJ)
> Jewish Community Council of Pelham Pkwy, N.Y.
> Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council - National (N.J.C.R.A.C.)
> Jewish Community Relations Committees of:
> Metro West, NJ
> The Jewish Federation of Greater Buffalo, N.Y.
> The Jewish Federation of Greater Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
> The Jewish Federation of Greater Houston (Texas)
> 
> Jewish Community Relations Councils of:
> (In addition to National resolution)
> Atlantic & May Counties, N.J.
> Bergen County, N.J.
> Broome County, N.Y.
> Broward County, Fla.
> Boston, Mass.
> Central N.J.
> Charleston, S.C.
> Chicago, Ill
> Dayton, Ohio
> Detroit Michigan
> Dutchess County, - N.Y.
> El Paso, Tx.
> Flint, Michigan
> Greater Middlesex County, N.J.
> Greater Philadelphia, PA. *
> Greater San Jose, CA.
> Honolulu, HI.
> Kingston, N.Y.
> Los Angeles, CA.
> Mercer County, N.J.
> Minneapolis/St. Paul. Minn. (ADL)
> New York City
> Northeastern New York
> Oaklahoma City, OK
> Ottawa, Canada
> Palo Alto, CA.
> Pittsburgh. PA.
> Portland, Oregon
> Qeens, N.Y.
> Rhode Island
> Richmond, Va.
> Rockland County, N.Y.
> Sacramento Region, CA.
> Saint Joseph Valley, IN.
> San Fransisco, The Peninsula, Marin, and Sonoma Counties
> Sarasota Fla.
> Scranton, Lackawanna, PA.
> Southern Arizona
> Southern, N.J.
> Springfield, Ill.
> St. Louis, MO.
> Toledo, OH
> Trenton, N.J.
> Ulster County, N.Y.
> Youngstown Area Jewish Federation, OH
> 
> The Jewish Federations of:
> Atlanta, GA.
> Augusta, C.A.
> Berkshires, Mass.
> Calgary, Canada
> Champaign-Urbana, Ill.
> Chicago - Young Leadership Division
> Columbus, GA.
> Columbus, Ohio
> Delaware
> Denver & Colorado
> Des Moines, Iowa
> Fort Wayne, IN.
> Galveston Cnty., TX
> Greater Charlotte, No. Carolina
> Greater Clifton/Passaic, N.J.
> Greater Monmouth County - N.J.
> Greater New Haven, CT
> Greater Orlando, MA **
> Greater Rochester, N.Y.
> Greater Rockford, Ill.
> Greater Springfield, Mass.
> Greater Toronto
> Greater Vancouver, Canada
> Greater Wilkes Barre, PA.
> Greenwich, CT
> Halifax, Nova Scotla, Canada
> Jacksonville, Fla
> Jewish Charities of Lafayette, Ind.
> Las Vegas, Nevada
> Lee County, Fla
> Lincoln, Nebraska
> London, Ontario - Canada
> Memphis, Tenn.
> Michigan City United Jewish Welfare Fund
> Montreal, Canada
> Northwest, Ind.
> Orange County, CA
> Palm Beach County, Fla
> Peoria, Illinois
> Portland Maine *
> San Diego, CA.
> Sarasota/Manatee, Fla
> Shreveport, LA.
> Sioux City, Iowa
> Sioux Falls, S.Dakota
> So. Illinois, S.E. Missouri & W. Kentucky
> So. Palm Beach County, Fla
> Springfield, Mass
> Steubenville, Ohio
> Syracuse, N.Y.
> The Quad Cities (Ill./Iowa)
> The Jewish United Fund of Metropolitan Chicago
> Volusia & Flagler Counties, Fla.
> Waco & Central TX
> Washington DC
> Windsor, Ont.
> Worcestet, Mass.
> 
> Jewish Labor Committee
> Jewish Lawyer Guild
> Jewish National Fund
> Jewish Political Caucus
> Jewish Teachers Association- Morim (New York)
> Jewish War Veterans of Canada
> Jews for Judaism, Canada
> Joshua Circle
> Judiska Forsamlingen, G÷teborg - Sweden
> Knesset of Israel - 80 Members
> Kollel Avreichim -Toronto, Canada
> Labor Zionist Alliance of Chicago
> Labor Zionist Alliance of New York
> Likud Herut of Great Britain
> Long Island Board of Rabbis
> Long Island Committee for Soviet Jewry
> Louis D. Brandeis Society of Zionist Lawyers
> Massachusetts Board of Rabbis
> Mazal Project - Monsey, N.Y.
> Michigan Board of Rabbis
> Minnesota Rabbinical Association
> Mizrahi Organization of Great Britain
> Morris/Sussex County Board of Rabbis (N.J.)
> NA'AMAT USA
> National Committee for Furtherance of Jewish Education of Nassau
> County
> National Council of Jewish Women of Canada (Toronto Section)
> National Council of Young Israel
> National Jewish Civil Service Employees Inc. - Chesapeake Regional
> Chapter
> National Jewish Legal Defense Fund Inc.
> New Fraternal Jewish Association (Canada)
> New Haven Board of Rabbis (CT)
> New Jersey State Assembly
> New York Association of Reform Rabbis **
> New York Board of Rabbis
> New York State Assembly - 50 Members
> North American Jewish Student Network
> North Broward Board of Rabbis (Florida)
> North Shore Rabbinical Association - Mass.
> North Suburban Synagogue Council (Chicago)
> Northern California Board of Rabbis
> Notre Dame Law School - Notre Dame, Ind.
> Operation Esther- Czech Republic
> Oregon Board of Rabbis
> Orthodox Rabbinical Council of Cleveland
> Orthodox Rabbinical Council of San Francisco
> Orthodox Rabbinical Council of South Florida
> Rabbinic Fellowship of Greater Pittsburgh
> Rabbinical Alliance of America
> Rabbinical Assembly
> Rabbinical Association of Delaware
> Rabbinical Association of Greater Dallas
> Rabbinical Association of Greater Kansas City
> Rabbinical Association of Greater Miami
> Rabbinical Association of Ottawa, Ont., Canada
> Rabbinical Association of Vancouver/ Victoria
> Rabbinical Board of The Bronx
> Rabbinical College of Australia & New Zealand
> Rabbinical Council of America
> Rabbinical Council of California
> Rabbinical Council of Canada, Eastern Region
> Rabbinical Council of Far Rockaway & Lawrence, N.Y.
> Rabbinical Council of Greater Baltimore
> Rabbinical Council of Greater Washington, D.C.
> Rabbinical Council of London UK
> Rabbinical Council of Greater Manchester, UK
> Rabbinical Council of Massachusetts
> Rabbinical Council of Ontario
> Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association
> Reform Synagogues of Great Britain
> Religious Roundtable/ Ed McAteer- Executive Director
> Religous Zionists of America
> Rhode Island Board of Rabbis
> Rhode Island Federation of Orthodox Jewish Organizations
> Rochester Board of Rabbis (New York)
> Rockland County Board of Rabbis - (New York)
> Rocky Mountain Rabbinical Council
> San Diego Rabbinical Association
> Second Generation Kol Israel of Cleveland, Ohio
> Sephardic Society of Manhattan
> Silverthorn Ministerial Association - (Canada)
> Simon Wiesenthal Center
> Societe Civile Professionnelle d'Avocats - (France)
> Society For Retired Attorneys Inc., Florida
> South Palm Beach Board of Rabbis
> St. Louis Rabbinical Association
> Suffolk County Bar Association, Mass.
> Synagogue Council of America
> Tau Epsilon Rho
> The Shaarit Haplaytah - Detroit
> The Board of Deputies of British Jews
> Toronto Board of Rabbis
> Toronto Zionist Council
> Toronto-Mississigua Regional Multifaith Committee on Spiritual and
> Religious Services
> Touro College Law Center
> Union of American Hebrew Cong. U.A.H.C.
> Union County Board of Rabbis (New Jersey)
> Union des Etudiants Juifs de Belgique
> Union for Traditional Judaism
> Union of Council for Soviet Jews
> Union of Orthodox Synagogues of South Africa
> Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregation of America - (Orthodox Union)
> Union of Orthodox Rabbis of The United States and Canada
> United Hebrew Congregation of Johannesburg
> United Synagogues of America (New York Metropolitan Region)
> United Synagogues of Great Britain
> Vaad Harabonim of Far Rockaway & Lawrence, N.Y.
> Vaad Harabonim of Flatbush, Brooklyn, N.Y.
> Vaad Harabonim of Queens
> Vaad Harabonim of Toronto
> Vaad Hoeir of St. Louis
> Vancouver Holocaust Center Society
> Washington D.C., Board of Rabbis
> Washington State Board of Rabbis
> Winnipeg Council of Rabbis (Canada)
> Wisconsin Council of Congregation Rabbis
> World Jewish Congress - American Section
> World Union for Progressive Judaism
> World Zionist Congress - 32nd Session
> Zionist Organization of America
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> * Organizations seeking review with an eye toward commutation
> ** Reduction of sentence
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> For more info., run don't walk to http://shamash.org/lists/jpollard/
> 
> [With special thanks to Dr.Ingrid Rimland of the Zuendel-site, for
> making this information available. Now, perhaps, you understand why
> The Chosen Ones are out to GET RID of the gadfly Zuendel!]
> 
> 
> 
> SEMPER FIDELIS (et Semper Prudens)!
>         "Ursus Major"


Does Council Of Foreign Relations have an opinion on the subject?


From Cantaloupe Fri Oct 18 09:49:11 PDT 1996
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In <4EJR3AArrXZyEwvz@stumpy.demon.co.uk> Jeffrey  writes:

> In article <543b7u$5io@Networking.Stanford.EDU>, Anonymous writes:
> >kurtstel@micron.net writes:
> >>Yep.  Now England has Jewish thoughtcrime laws.  Chalk yet -another- one
> >>up for the Jewish Big Brother.  
> >
> >Um... Kurtzi? Jeffy was quoting an article mentioning a campaign promise.
> >Not a law; not even a bill. Since we have no text to look at, how do you
> >know the law that doesn't exist punishes "thoughtcrimes"?
> 
> Yes, Mr Graves is correct it is not law, YET.
> 
> Actually, AFAIR, Rich, the Uk could have had "laws against holocaust
> denial", sometime ago,  - passed by the EU, despite the opposition of
> our Home Secretary, Michael Howard, [who is incidentally himself a jew]

He is?  That explains alot about what I've heard about him.

> Afaik, the "law against Holocaust denial" lost out to the Mad cow
> episode.
> 
> {John Major was having a tantrum about the Germans sensibly not buying
> beef from cows which had ate diseased sheeps brains. John Major then
> boycotted EU meetings in a fit of pique.}

Better to boycott the EU permanently.


From Pomegranate Fri Oct 18 09:51:54 PDT 1996
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Matt Giwer and Tom Moran are the main reasons to read this group.


From Theodore Cohen Fri Oct 18 09:58:35 PDT 1996
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In <53t5se$5i1@juliana.sprynet.com> rblackmore@juno.com writes:

> According to Isaac Kowalski:
> 
> "The picture of post war Germany, broken and
> in ruins, was not pretty.  The wives and daughters
> of the herrenvolk sold themselves for a crumb of
> bread......The country became one huge brothel
> and even the men crawled on their hands and
> knees for a handout from the Americans and other
> allied troops....the Germans who remained in Poland
> after the war had to wear armbands, for a time, like
> the Jews had to wear while under the Nazi rule, and
> they had to walk in the gutter, not on the sidewalk."
> 
> From:  A Secret Press in nazi Europe, pg. 18.

We Jews are terribly guilty.


From Guava Sun Oct 20 09:50:15 PDT 1996
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In <543c9d$5o0@Networking.Stanford.EDU> Anonymous writes:

> [A couple of NA members who killed their parents because they didn't want
> them involved with neo-Nazis.]
> 
> Is any documentation of this case available online?

No, but you can read all about it in Klanwatch and Klanwatch Intelligence.
Those well respected periodicals give all the accuracy that is up to your
level.

For some reason the Southern Poverty Law Center is embarrassed to put
their material online.


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In <32660D37.41C6@itsa.ucsf.edu> Brian Harmon  writes:

> Having met Mr. Graves in person, i can assure you that he does
> more worthwhile things in a single day that you have done in your
> entire hateful and wasted life.

So he's gabby.

> Remeber when the German government tried to prevent people from
> accessing Zundel's site?
> 
> Mr. Graves _mirrored_ the site himself rather than allow Zundel
> to be censored, simply because he believes that Mr. Zundel's right to 
> free expression should not be infringed, regardless of his message.

No, he said he mirrored the site for two weeks, but advertised the URL
for many months while it was just an empty page.  He actively 
discouraged others from mirroring the site, out of fear of being 
upstaged.  He was quite noisy.  He insisted that his page was *proof*
that Ernst Zundel wasn't being censored.

Inspite of his best efforts, sincere activists took the helm.
Hopefully, we can all together beet back the tide of repression.

> Rather than applaud his censorship-fighting efforts, you and your ilk spew
> bile and lies about him.

His efforts have been to be a blowhard.

> More than anything, your slander underscores the differences between 
> people like him and people like you. 

Yo mama.


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In <549l4l$ool@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

> 	The Freeman brothers were members of the National Alliance.

The Freeman Brothers were members of the World Jewish Congress.


From Pork Chop Sun Oct 20 10:02:27 PDT 1996
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In <3266BDB4.3313@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

> > Does Council Of Foreign Relations have an opinion on the subject?
> 
> Hell yes and you'll be hearing about all this after the election.

No patriot could support the CFR.  The cardinal message of the CFR
is the destruction of sovereignty, definately including the USA.
WWII wasn't fought for anything but the USA, that's what the patriotic
Americans thought.  Unfortunately it got bent into the CFR program.


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From: Peanut
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In <326C6977.4747@columbia.edu> Avital Pilpel  writes:

> > Marketing for what? Most niggers don't buy anything - they just go to
> > stores to shoplift. A lack of niggers coming in will result in less
> > "shrinkage" of merchandise.

Black people are only 16% of the populace, yet spend about 30% of the
the consumer goods.  The vast wealth of Black people proves how they
are ripping off white people, how we are oppressed.

> Well, since jews have all the money at least let them in.

No thanks.  Man does not live by bread alone.

> This guy is also breaking the law.

The one who's breaking the law is the anti-racist who forged the
message to attack a business.


From Parsley Wed Oct 23 16:34:00 PDT 1996
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In <326BA274.4014@earthlink.net> Pharaoh Chromium 93  writes:

> > You're right, though. It's all moot. Whatever they were, they were barely
> > human beings.

Neither are Jews.

> > Sara
> 
> Hitler grokked the negative energies of elemental/animalistic being.
> All that he needed was a little light. Now it's time to let the light
> disperse the darkness.

There was less crime in the Third Reich than the era afterwards.


From Kumquat Thu Oct 24 08:19:17 PDT 1996
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In <549vd8$m8@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

> 1) International finance, and in particular, American financeers,
> LOVED Hitler.  People like Henry Ford helped bankroll Hitler and turn
> him into what he became.

Henry Ford denied being anti-semitic, only opposing their organizations.
He renounced his earlier writings in 1927.  *If* Ford financed the
NSGWP in the early twenties, this coudn't have contributed much to 
the party in the thirties.

> 2) Cite a source for Roosevelt sinking German ships pre-1939
> 3) Cite a source for Britain bombing German cities before 1940
> 4) Western Poland was not taken from Germany at Versailles.  

Versailles took away German territory and granted it to others.
The former German residents were treated hostiley by the new rulers.

> Neither was the Sudetenland, which was Austrian before WWI.

And belongs with Germany.

> >Yet undoubtedly you would bend over backwards and kiss your own 
> >ass to defend the Israeli takeover of Arab lands, places that had 
> >NO Jewish constituency living in them.  
> 
> Jews had been living in Palestine non-stop during the 2,000 yrs of the
> diaspora, and had been a majority in Jerusalem since the late 1800's.

What you call "Jews" are not even semitic, but asiatic.  They adapted
Judaism in about the eigth century.


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In <326d116e.13858900@news.zip.com.au> guys@beyondcomputers.com.au (Guy Suzi) writes:

> What a load of shit, jew are the nicesses people in the world. I'm a
> jew and I garanty that we are the kindess people, we have been
> oppressed for generation by ever race in existence. How about a little
> understanding from you red neck lunatic nazis? 

We are beginning to understand, against your wishes.

> Why not pick on some asians, I see you have fucked your black
> population already, but they don't just stand there and take it. They
> dish it out. I hope your next riot causes you to kiss the jewish
> community ass.

Riots are caused by Jews.

> I wouldn't lift a finger to help scum like you. Your all a bunch of
> goyum (gentiles) you'll understand if you got the brains.

What makes you guilty are your defense of your leaders, the rich.

Explain how oppressed you feel Harry Oppenheimer is, the worst 
plutocrat in history.


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In <326C6977.4747@columbia.edu> Avital Pilpel  writes:

> > Marketing for what? Most niggers don't buy anything - they just go to
> > stores to shoplift. A lack of niggers coming in will result in less
> > "shrinkage" of merchandise.

Black people are only 16% of the populace, yet spend about 30% of the
the consumer goods.  The vast wealth of Black people proves how they
are ripping off white people, how we are oppressed.

> Well, since jews have all the money at least let them in.

No thanks.  Man does not live by bread alone.

> This guy is also breaking the law.

The one who's breaking the law is the anti-racist who forged the
message to attack a business.


From Kohlrabbi Thu Oct 24 08:19:21 PDT 1996
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From: Kohlrabbi
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In <54akmn$1lk@lex.zippo.com> ccarp@concept.net (Chris Carpenter) writes:

> 		Sun-Sentinel 
> 	Saturday - October 19, 1996
> 
>    Moscow - Russia's Federal Security Service
> will turn over more than 14,000 pages of Nazi war crime
> documents to the Unites States, the Interfax news agency
> reported on Friday.
> President Boris Yeltsin has authorized the agency to send
> the documents to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C.,
> Nikolai Kovalyov, director of the security service, told Interfax.

Will the museum allow public access to the documents or will they
censor it?


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In <3269d880.1384824@news.sure.net> Ursus@sure.net (Ursus Major) writes:

> The imprisoned Galilleo for daring to assert the earth moved (and
> confined him to house-arresst, after he recanted--he had more work to
> do, and being first tortured then burned alive would serious impede
> his ability to accomplish that work). No Galilleo, no Newton! Giordano
> Bruno stuck to his convictions: the earth moves and the universe is
> infinitely large. He made a nice bonfire!

Great Germanic heroes of our race.

Also, the Abigensians, Valdens, etc.

> Today, it's the "Crimethinkers" they're after: the Holo-Gestapo is
> busy tracking them down where they can, or "cocooning" their presen-
> tation where they can't censor the Net--YET! Bebbington's just a
> Goodthinker, spewing Holo-dogma he's been force-fed by the Mass
> (U) Media. If he ever had an original thought, he'd panic!

They want to ban our ideas first, so later they will kill us, re:
the Thirty Years war.



From varange@crl.com Tue Oct 29 08:53:33 PST 1996
Article: 77677 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: "Rich Graves" Threatens Business With Forgery
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The following post was forged from one of "Rich Graves" accounts, seems to
be from his Slip/PPP account at crl.com.  (He's got a zillion of them.)
He has a long history of net-abuse, primarily forgery.  I presume this
wasn't posted from some open server somewhere, but he certainly knows how 
to do that, so the possibility is open.

This forged post is obviously an attempt to harass a business listed at
the bottom of this post.  Can someone at CRL please check the message-id 
in the logs to find out who/what posted this?  I'm sure that Mark Wrhel 
would like to know.


From: VRFriends2@aol.com (Mark Wrhel)
Subject: Whites Only!
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Date: 5 Oct 1996 23:17:55 GMT
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I have decided to put my money where my heart is.  I really
don't want anything to do with anyone but white people.
I prefer not to do business with Jews, Hispanics, Blacks,
Asians, and all the other races.  And, please don't bother
to send a lot of e-mail;  my delete key works really
well.

If you are white, we would like your business.  Otherwise,
please just stay away.

Star Electronics
c/o Mark Wrhel
3115 Foothill Blvd., Suite M233
LaCrescenta, CA 91214

PH# (818)948-0817


From varange@crl.com Thu Oct 31 06:50:20 PST 1996
Article: 77906 of alt.revisionism
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In article <327254B0.3B93@magicnet.net>,
Kronicdred   wrote:
> How long will it take for you people to realize that everything with a
> DNA coil in it is the same race. Dog,cat,moose,tree,human...all the same
> just in different states of adaptation. All mutating toward a common
> end...the proliferation of life thoughout the metaverses.

Humans and chimpanzees share 98% of the same genes, so I guess we
are all one race, the primate race.


From varange@crl.com Thu Oct 31 18:45:21 PST 1996
Article: 78009 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: 55 incidents of violence for a whole year
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In article <846407859snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>,
Alexander Baron  wrote:

Exactly.  It was reported a couple years ago that of the thousands of
incidents of "anti-semitism," only 55 were "physical."  55!  For a whole
year!  All of the USA!  How many millions of dollars per fistfight,
were raised by organizations like the ADL and SPLC?

Is Judaism just a money making racket, exploiting the paranoid?

> Check out Crying Wolf by Laird Wilcox; he documents numerous such incidents.
> As to racially motivated violence, a lot of this is totally misclassified. If
> you - as a Jewish lawyer - were to get into an altercation over a bill with
> one of your less literate clients, for argument's sake somebody you defended
> on a drunkenness charge, and he referred to you as a cheating kike, you might
> take that as an anti-Semitic remark. In reality it would most probably be
> a personal insult. If you weren't a Jew but a woman you'd find yourself on
> the receiving end of a sexual slur, and so on. 
> 
> Re violence, the fact is that we live in a violent world; the sort of people 
> who attack a stranger for no apparent reason - something that has happened to
> me - may well use racial epithets and anything else to humiliate their victims.
> They do this not because they are "racists" but because they are evil bastards,
> etc.
> 
> As to the ADL, I wouldn't take anything they say at face value. A couple of
> years ago it was claimed that there were 130,000 racial attacks in Britain a
> year. An analysis of the figures and the way they were compiled proves that 
> this claim has no basis in fact any more than the claim of 8,000 homosexual
> rapes in London every year! Such figures are plucked out of thin air and
> thrown around with gay abandon by irresponsible media and by people and
> organisations with political agendas. I'm sure you know what is the ADL's
> agenda.
> 
> -- 
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself 
> the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy


From varange@crl.com Thu Oct 31 18:45:22 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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>From  http://hatewatch.org:

                                         A hate group is defined as,
     an organization or individual that advocates violence against or
     unreasonable hostility towards those persons or organizations
     identified by their race, religion, ethnic origin, sexual orientation
     or gender also including organizations or individuals that disseminate
     revisioned or historically inaccurate information with regards to
     these persons or organizations.

That's casting a wide net.  Jewish paranoia about christianity, for
example, can qualify for inclusion as a hate group.

Rod Swift's articles attacking straights.

Andrea Dworkin.

The United Nations side in the Persian Gulf war.

Hatewatch itself.

And can't nazism be considered a valid religion?

An *individual* a hate group?!??



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