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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov  2 09:30:56 PST 1996
Article: 78229 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: Those Paranoids
Date: 31 Oct 1996 01:25:22 -0800
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In article <3275f1c0.13110707@203.12.22.10>,
David S. Maddison  wrote:
> 
> 
> For all you Nazi sickos out there, here is a list of the sort of
> people your god Hilter surrounded himself. A.H. was such a pathetic
> moron, he found it necessary to surround himself with people that he
> could feel superior to.

And yet you fear these people.

> o Personal adjutants
> Bruckner		Low intelligence
> Burgdorff		Low intelligence
> 
> o SS aides
> Fegelein		Low intelligence
> Gunsche		Low intelligence
> Rattenhuber		Low intelligence
> 
> o Hitler's driver		Low stature (needed special seat)
> 
> o Hess			Mentally disturbed
> o Goebbels		Club foot
> o Hoffman 		(photographer), alcoholic, deformed back
> o Meier			(treasurer) one armed
> o Amann		(press manager) one armed, dwarf
> o Eckhart		(adviser) drug addict, alcoholic
> o Assistant press chief	hearing impaired
> o Schaub		(press liason) bad limp
> o Rohm			(leader of brownshirts) homosexual
> o Lutz			(leader of brownshirts) one eye
> o Himmler		Hypochondriac, neurotic
> o Streicher		(editor Der Sturmer) sex pervert
> o Ley			(labor front) drunk, speech defect,dull-witted
> o Bormann		(party secretary) alcoholic
> o Goring		morphine addict
> o von Ribbentrop	(foreign minister) Stupid, vile, vindictive
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 




From varange@crl.com Sat Nov  2 10:37:40 PST 1996
Article: 88288 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Exterminate All Whites To Stop Racism
Date: 31 Oct 1996 02:23:40 -0800
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In article ,
C  wrote:
> Some many response...so little time
> 
> Well, white you are the wienner(sp?) Your response summarize the white
> reaction. You have included:
> 1) The personal insult to detract for the topic
> 2) point the finger at other people that *may* be as evil as whites
> 3) dodged responsiblity for the evils of your white culture
> 4) Have not refuted or ,in this case, responded to my points of thousand of
> white man going to Asian to fuck 9 year-old babies.
> 
> 
> >In article "Godfrey A. Whyte"  wrote:
> 
> > All C wants is to evoke pity and to get a kick out of the attention he's 
> > getting. 
> 
> This does nothing for me personally. You don't know who I am and I don't
> know you. I am interested in ideas.
> 
> >It's a waste of time appealing to his rationality. 
> 
> because my logic is too consistent.
> 
> >He desperately needs to see all Whites as the enemy. 
> 
> Wrong! *almost* all whites.
> 
> >Nothing short of that will suffice. But the real test is whether he is
> willing to give up his US citizenship and go elsewhere. 
> 
> This statement is the height of white hubris. Just because I hate white I
> should leave the country my forefather and I have built. My root on this
> land goes back not only 10 generations but thousands of years. I want you
> to leave my continent, euro-trash immigrant.
> 
> >Does he believe in a separate Black nation?? 
> 
> No, I believe in the annhilation of the evil race that has plagued humanity
> for centuries. It is the same people that threaten our entir planet with
> their off balance adventures.
> 
> >Or some sort of "separate but equal" segregation?? 
> 
> No, stupid. African Americans defeated white and ended that years ago...
> 
> >He doesn't say. He is also a product of the Western Civilisation he likes to 
> > condemn. 
> 
> Western Civilization? that would be a good idea. I am a product of the
> Universe. 
> 
> Anyway, my criticism was of whites not the ideas whites have borrowed from
> around the world.
> 
> >Just see his reaction if anyone tramples on his "rights".
> 
> If anyone tries to trample on what's mine they have problems.
> 
> > All we must remember is that he represents only himself. His 
> > hate-mongering is all that can make him unique or stand out from the 
> > crowd. There is nothing that reasonable people can do to make him realize 
> > or admit that all are imperfect.
> 
> Wrong! All people are imperfect or else we would be Gods. whites, in
> general, are evil.
> 
> > It is the very access to information (that C benefits from) that is one 
> > of the strengths of western society. 
> 
> The information I recieved was from Ed Bradley, an African American. I am
> not writing about "western society" (whatever that is) it is the evil of
> whites I am concerned with and the damage they are doing to our planet.
> 
> >Since I have spent most of my life in the so-called Third World and know
> what repression 
> 
> If you faced repression in the "third world" it was at the hand of people
> sponsored by those who gave it its name.
> 
> >is I'm in a better position to comment on the true state of humanity than C.
> 
> whites know nothing of humanity-except they have murdered it *everywhere*
> they have found it.
> 
> > Let him renounce his citizenship!!
> 
> Go back to europe, devil.
> 
> -- 
> "You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for
> yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain,
> and you are responsible for using them." (17:36) 




From varange@crl.com Sat Nov  2 18:05:52 PST 1996
Article: 78302 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: Jews owned most black slaves? its true!
Date: 2 Nov 1996 16:37:09 -0800
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In article ,
David Silver  wrote:
> Brother I am in solidarity with the Black Liberation movement and the
> stryuggles for Mumia and all political prisoners and against police
> brutality. I think you have to get your act together because you sound
> like a neonazi. People aren't evil because they are Jews. Muslim or
> anything else. they are evil because they want to profit from slavery. A
> few were Jews and some were Christian and some Muslim. The really big
> fish, those that owned the slave boats were not Jews.

A common problem with middle class and poor Jews is their refusal
to oppose their own wealthy counterparts when they commit a collective
wrong.  While the white and Black people are full of discussions 
inclusive of self-criticism, this seems to be absent in the Jewish
mass consciousness.

What was done by Jews to oppose the South African plutocrat, Harry
Oppenheimer, richest man in the world, while he was making his killing 
>from  Apartheid?  Instead, it was always the Boers who were attacked, not
the top of the financial world, which orchestrated the whole affair.

The perpetual debate among Jews is:

"What can be done to help the Jewish people?"

This then gets into violent debates on how to strengthen Jewry, rather
than how to strengthen the people in general, not at the expense of 
non-Jews, as above.

Oh, and what about the current enslavement of the poor, here and 
elsewhere, by international capital, fueled by free trade?  If you
want to help stop the horrors of free trade, appeal to your Jewish
comrades to drop the promotion of the FTA/NAFTA/GATT crime against
humanity, urging the repeal of these malicious laws, thwarting the
desires of global capital.
-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov  2 23:15:35 PST 1996
Article: 78306 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: Attack On alt.revisionism -- Stanford.edu Refuses To Help
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In article ,
Rich Graves   wrote:

% finger -m rcgraves@netcom.com

[netcom.com] 

There is no user named rcgraves here; check your spelling.

To respond to this troll, email to llurch@stanford.edu or
postmaster@stanford.edu, he's more or less constantly forging
the From:  and Message-ID:  lines on his posts.

>  /gate.net/Hmessage-id:j
> 
> (There are no legitimate users on gate.net posting to alt.revisionism.)

Are there any "legitimate" users of Stanford.edu posting to 
alt.revisionism?

Stanford.edu is apparantly a rogue site, to killfile it with trn:

/stanford.edu/Hmessage-id:j

But this particular user sometimes forges the Message-ID line,
so also do:

/rcgraves@ix.netcom.com/f:j
/rcgraves@netcom.com/f:j
/rich@c2/f:j
/ezundel-repost@alpha.c2/f:j
/rich.*graves/f:j
/stanford.edu/Hnntp-posting-host:j


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov  2 23:17:45 PST 1996
Article: 48300 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: Unchanging Polynesians
Date: 2 Nov 1996 19:26:49 -0800
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In article <558d5k$dha@lex.zippo.com>,   wrote:
> "Of all the queer laws which we Europeans have introduced that which
> categorically forbids rape is therefore the hardest for the Polynesians
> to understand, and most prosecutors and judges wisely forget that such a
> law exists, for if it were really applied on an island the whole adult
> population would soon be under lock and key."

Traditional European culture includes an honouring of women not found 
in the Oriental peoples.  Our traditional penalty for rape is death, 
perhaps the culprit first being mutilated by the crowd.

Expecting others to obey our strict laws on rape is indeed "culturally
imperialist."  To be fair, perhaps only white on white rapes or white
on Maori rapes should be prosecuted with severity.  Polynesians can
protect their women by their own standards, since they seem to think 
of themselves so superior to whites.
-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov  2 23:17:46 PST 1996
Article: 48301 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: Falsified FBI Crime Report
Date: 2 Nov 1996 19:14:54 -0800
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In article <555jei$nug@lex.zippo.com>,   wrote:
> >This should be obvious. Verifiable statistics concerning the actual
> >incidence of rape among Polynesians would constitute "proof" of the actual
> >incidence of rape among Polynesians. A speculation on the part of a
> >researcher concerning what would happen if officials acted in a certain
> >manner does not constitute "proof" of the actual incidence of rape among
> >Polynesians.
> >
> That would be nigh impossible to discover here in NZ.  I could look into
> Eastern Samoans and California crime statistics, or perhaps you'd accept
> NZ crime statistics from the 60s (1965, I believe was the last year they
> publicly announced ethnosity.) 

Canada has a similar policy of keeping the ethnicity of the arrested 
a secret from the public.  Since Canada and New Zealand's governments
have made favouring colour over white a national priority, it can be 
taken for granted that the statistics are hidden from public inspection 
for the political reason of protecting colour from criticism by the 
people.

In the USA, the ethnicity of arestees are usually taken down by the
local police who may or may not forward their statistics to the FBI
so the feds can release their Comprehensive Crime Report.  The report
is cooked in several ways:

*recording Chicanos as whites:

"Hispanics" who commit crimes are but rarely white, but are recorded
as white in the FBI crime report, yet Hispanic women who are victims 
of crimes are recorded in a seperate category from white, in the
tables of victims of crime.  So a Hispanic man who beats his 
Hispanic wife ends up in the crime statistics as a white man who 
assaults a Hispanic women!  Chicanos are "Native Americans," 
Amerindians, who prefer to be known as Chicanos over "Hispanic," 
a term that the government invented a new definition of, for the 
purpose of the census.  They should be obliged here with their true 
name.  A true Hispanic is a Spaniard, a white.

*recording Blacks as Hispanics:

Blacks from south of the border are labelled "Hispanic."  They aren't.

*recording Asians/Blacks/Chicanos/Jews as white:

The census is falsified by reporting partial non-whites as white.
According to the San Francisco Chronicle, about two thirds of 
half-Asians are reported as white and about one third of half-Blacks
are reported as white.  With intense pressure to reduce the amount
of coloured arrestees, presumably officers engage in the same 
manipulation of ethnicity on their paper work, as the FBI does on
theirs, as described above.

*recording Jews as white:

Whether they are considered a seperate race or a sub-variety of the
white race, they belong in a seperate group for their genetic
differences.  They nearly universally consider themselves 
non-white, so should be obliged with their own group in any sort
of ethnic statistics.

Inspite of these shenanigans:

Whites show up better in the reports than the other groups, and 
inspite of the extreme efforts on the part of the police to reduce 
the proportion of coloured inmates, accomplished by greater severity 
on white white convicts in lengths of sentences, as well as by 
greater vigilance by officers in investigations where the clues 
point to a white culprit.
-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov  2 23:17:47 PST 1996
Article: 48304 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: Spanish is an Aryan language
Date: 2 Nov 1996 19:43:11 -0800
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In article <01bbc6b4$6c3ef9a0$308aaec7@default>,
Rad  wrote:
> The jew controlled media likes to promote Spanish as if it represents the
> Third World in America. But Spanish is an Aryan language just as English,
> French and German are. The problem with Spanish is the fucking Indian
> wetbacks who speak it, not the language itself. Though modern
> Mediterraneans are more backward than their northern European counterparts
> these days, at one time they were Aryan whites.

Absolutely correct.  East Indians were once an Aryan people too, but
today is completely non-white.  Same situation in North Africa, including
the Aryan tribe which founded Jerusalem, now extinct.
-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


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Article: 48308 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: What Are the Race Deniers Denying?
Date: 2 Nov 1996 21:23:05 -0800
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In article <3277A2B1.40FB@conterra.com>,
Bob Whitaker   wrote:
> 	If anybody out there doesn't know you that in Europe you get imprisoned
> for disagreeing with racial orthodoxy, please raise your hands.
> 	If anybody out there doesn't know you get fired at American
> universities for challenging racial orthodoxy, raist your hands.

Anybody who doesn't know this is ignorant or a liar.

The facts of this persecution shows that the powers that be fear the
opposition as a genuine threat.
-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


From varange@crl.com Sun Nov  3 08:40:19 PST 1996
Article: 88520 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: Neo-Nazi dckom@atlcom.net
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In article <327b90e0.5686615@news.atlcom.net>, dckom  wrote:

> Orwell's definition of Stalin's political officers comes to mind,
> "gangsters, and gramaphones."
> 	David Christian
> 	Race Traitor
> 
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-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


From varange@crl.com Sun Nov  3 10:03:13 PST 1996
Article: 48329 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: 100,000 Police NOT in High Crime Areas
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In article ,
Parker Beatley  wrote:

Yet there was already enough officers in the first place.  They are
prevented from acting properly as law enforcement because of pressure
>from  politicians, minorities and business.  Added more officers will
not change this situation.  Purging anti-racists from the force is 
what is needed.

> Added `officers' bypass mean streets
> Small towns get half of new cops OK'd in crime bill
> 
> By
> Laura Meckler
> Associated Press
> 
> WASHINGTON -- Children murdered. Neighborhoods terrorized. A violent crime
> every 22 seconds. Those were the images invoked as Congress passed, and
> President Clinton signed, a bill to put 100,000 police officers on the
> streets.  ...
> 
> Of the 43,028 officers funded by August, more than half went to cities with
> below-average violent-crime rates or to towns so small they don't even
> report their crime data to the FBI, according to an Associated Press
> computer analysis.
> 
> And one-third of the additions to police departments -- counted as more than
> 14,000 officers -- aren't officers at all. Instead, that money went to hire
> civilians for office work, pay overtime or buy equipment. Cities calculated
> the hours gained in officer street time, added them up, and the Justice
> Department counted that toward the 100,000 goal.
> ...
> 
> If a department took the time to apply, came up with the minimum 25 percent
> matching money, demonstrated it could retain the officer after the federal
> money ran out, ... it was sure to get a grant.  ... Crime rates were not
> considered.
> ...
> 
> When Clinton talks about the program on the campaign trail, he doesn't point
> out that fewer than half of the 100,000 officers have been funded thus far.
> Nor does he mention that one-third of the money has gone to police expenses
> other than new officers.
> 
> In Los Angeles, for example, one grant paid for a new computer system. The
> city figures it will save each officer a half-hour to an hour in paperwork
> time each day. Mathematically, that equals 680 new officers.
> 
> Yet on the campaign trail, Clinton and Gore regularly imply -- or state
> outright -- that the police officers are new bodies.  ...
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> 
> Those with (San Jose) Mercury Center access can find the article today in:
> http://www.sjmercury.com/news/nation/today/natl/051057.htm


-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


From varange@crl.com Sun Nov  3 13:53:35 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Ending Cancels
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Cancels are essentially pointless and should quit being used.
It's long overdue.

News spools that ignore cancel messages are preferred by
savvy users over the typical brain dead archaic news management.
-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov  4 06:54:59 PST 1996
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In article <327ad816.49403426@news.spiritone.com>,
Mike Chapman  wrote:

>                          Also modern body armor will stop .223, even
> with a steel penetrator.

What body armor can do that practicably?
-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov  4 07:52:32 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,alt.uunet.anti-trust,alt.culture.usenet
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Stephen Boursy  in <327CE538.5273@earthlink.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet at news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,alt.politics.reform,alt.uunet.anti-trust,alt.journalism,alt.culture.usenet wrote:

> >> Cancels are essentially pointless and should quit being used.
> 
>   And quite immoral as well as are their advocates.
> 
> >> It's long overdue.
> 
>   Complaints regarding forgery of anohters email address to
> cancel their posts should be forwarded to the Federal
> Communications Division and the US Justice Dept. (both
> have very nice web pages making that easy) and also
> your State Police Dept.

That's stupid.  It's the admins fault in the first place for
configuring their news systems to recognize cancels.

Perhaps a ton of forge cancels will provoke lazy admins to
get a clue.  Meanwhile direct your complaints about forge
cancels to the admins.

-- 

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Mon Nov  4 07:52:34 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Stephen Boursy  in <327CDE57.6033@earthlink.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet at misc.legal,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.journalism,alt.culture.usenet,alt.politics.reform wrote:

> > Troy Varange (varange@crl.com) wrote:
> >
> >: Cancels are essentially pointless and should quit being 
> >: used.  It's long overdue.
> 
>   I agree.  A vast majority of cancels are 3rd party--i.e.-
> they involve forging anothers email address to supress their
> opinion.
>  
> >: News spools that ignore cancel messages are preferred by
> >: savvy users over the typical brain dead archaic news management.
> 
>   That's quite true.  A public access ISP has no right to 
> accept forged cancels--if they do one should notify the
> US Justice Dept., the Federal Communications Commission, etc.
> It is morally reprehensible to filter users news without
> their consent.

Also contact the Better Business Bureau.

> >  One more reason the restrictions on cancels need to be loosend.
> > 
> > Mike Beebe
> > 
> 
>   Well look at it this way asshole--if one may forge cancel then
> all may do so and then we'll either have nothing or all or an
> unreadable pile of garbage.  The choice is in the hands of your
> censors or forgers because you will not be allowed to prevail
> under any circumstances.

Mike Beebe is a notorious Neo-Nazi.

-- 

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Mon Nov  4 10:38:02 PST 1996
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GOLEM	  in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!emerald.nb.net!news.emi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!news.netline.net!tesla.netline.net!odin at soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.society.revolution,misc.headlines,alt.activism wrote:

> CONVERSION OF A RADICAL
> 
> Will Herberg was a Marxist. In his essay, "From Marxism to

Fuck off, capitalist loser.
-- 

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Mon Nov  4 15:39:43 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Never In All Hisotry Has The Winning Side Ever Committed A War Crime
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Bob Whitaker  in <3278C38F.29B9@conterra.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.conterra.com!usenet at alt.revisionism wrote:

> I am  interested: does anybody know an exception to this rule.
>    Doesn't it say somthing about these precious "precedents" War Crimes
> are tried on?

I can't think of one.  In any case, the globalist "concern" with War Crimes
is bogus.

-- 

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Tue Nov  5 06:58:54 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Hate the underdog, not the powerful
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editor@hatewatch.org in <846783417.20420@dejanews.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!realtime.net!news at soc.culture.europe wrote:

> > From http://hatewatch.org:
> >                                          A hate group is defined as,
> >      an organization or individual that advocates violence against or
> >      unreasonable hostility towards those persons or organizations
> >      identified by their race, religion, ethnic origin, sexual orientation
> >      or gender also including organizations or individuals that disseminate
> >      revisioned or historically inaccurate information with regards to
> >      these persons or organizations.
> > 
> > That's casting a wide net.  Jewish paranoia about christianity, for
> > example, can qualify for inclusion as a hate group.

The wacko periodicals of the Jewish culture are filled with
paranoia about how "the christians want to kill us all," and
similiar hate rants against Muslims.

> > Rod Swift's articles attacking straights.

Where he claims that heterosexuals are inferior and his gay 
revolutionaries will introduce forced homosexuality over kids?

> > Andrea Dworkin.

Extremely anti-sexual, blatant gender based hatred.

> > The United Nations side in the Persian Gulf war.

With great hatred directed against the victims, six months of 
all pervasive hate by the establishment to fan the murderous 
flames of hatred on the masses leading to ~200,000 dead.

> > Hatewatch itself.

If you think the above sides are "reasonable," or not 
hateful, that just goes to show your political leanings.
You may actually approve of these, or you may just figure
they're "not harmful" to the existing social order.

> > And can't nazism be considered a valid religion?

There are strong religious aspects to the Third Reich's motif.
To hate the nazi religion, is to hold a religious based hatred,
since accreditted scientists hold that race does not exist,
leaving essentially religious aspects to nazism.

> > An *individual* a hate group?!??

How can an individual be a hate group?

> What you fail to do is discern the difference between legitimate
> politcal disagreeement and racist venom. 

Neither can you!

It's not the hate that you hate, but the content of the message
among the entire masses of unconnected individuals and groups 
that expostulates the message!

> What you wish is to blur the lines between those who espouse 
> virulent hate and those of us who expose it. 

It is not really hate per se that you want to "expose,"
but radical politics in general.  Why, I've never heard of a
radical group that does not direct virulent hate on the
rich and powerful.

> Do you have the guts to reject and fight the type of hate 
> that spews from these creatures?

Many people do.  But your kind simply ignores hate mongers if
the haters are part of a powerful socio-economic group, instead
choosing to pick on the small fry.

-- 

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Tue Nov  5 07:08:34 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Re: Please read this if you are Aryan.
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In article <01bce63c$91ad2100$87a20fcf@jgr3555.socomm.net>,
Kevin  wrote:
>           I have seen in the past few months plenty of hate mail from some
> seriously delusional white people.  They use their email accounts to try to
> scare blacks, asians, and other people, and are failing miserably in
> gettting their point across.  

I can agree with that, flame mail doesn't serve any purpose.  But we all
get plenty of it, and we can fly off the handle.  Better to just ignore
it or call up their ISP or .edu account to complain by voice about the 
harrassment.

> This is a message to them:
> 	Please stop wasting space on the internet with your lame, pointless hate
> mail, and illiterate garbage.  If you are an Aryan, act like an Aryan; be
> proud, work hard, study, learn, habituate your desires to become a strong
> white individual in synch with nature.  You are only angering people all
> over the countries and fueling the media's fire against white Americans. 
> Direct your messages in a more positive manner.  Write to your local
> congressman, and tell him you would like to abolish homosexual internet
> groups, establish an Aryan society in your area, or perhaps just sit down
> with your family and friends and discuss why you hate blacks and asians and
> jews so much.  Perhaps they can help you to direct your angwer in a more
> positive route, there is no reason to hate someone specifically because
> they are a different colr. 

Hatred of a group is quite a bit different than hating an individual of
that group.  Whites and minorities can get along just fine but when the
chips are down, they'll kill us without hesitation.  We should take their
threats to kill us off quite seriously.

> I don't. Tell them how you feel about your
> heritage as an Aryan, and a lover of this great country the Aryans founded.
>  Establish an intelligent newsgroup that caters to the establishment of
> educational expression of your feelings, and passions; 

We won't be allowed to create a new usenet newsgroup with good 
propagation.  We can improve this newsgroup, however, by vigilantly 
complaining by voice, e-mail, and assaulting other newsgroups that seem 
to be generating the hate posts, like soc.culture.jewish .

> but please do not
> express your hate for other races in such an ignorant manner.  A few
> examples of what I am speaking of are: the I raped a nigger child thread
> that spanned hundreds of newsgroups, maybe thousands...

Well, don't jump to conclusions that it was a racist who actually posted
that.  More likely it was an anti-racist out to cause trouble.

>                                                         This filth was just
> one more thing for other races to complain about, and I feel sincerely that
> it did more bad than it could have possibly done to inspire Aryan Pride. 
> We are responsible for our actions to some degree, and I feel that the
> person who wrote this and all of the other illiterate hate mail should
> certainly voice their opinions in a more healthy manner.  Another example
> is the hate mail you can find at the Nazism Exposed page on the web.  This
> is the work of a bunch of seriously ignorant individuals who are only
> making it worse for the rest of us.  I am not sure yet whether I believe in
> race traitorism or not, but If there is such thing, it is thees lazy
> perverts that are the race traitors.  Hate mail is ignorance.

The "hate mail" on the Nazism Exposed page looks bogus.  It was probably
written by anti-racists out to libel racists.  Don't overestimate the
honesty of those who wish to preserve the status quo in American society.
It shouldn't hurt us, though.

> 	I am a college student, lover of nature, America, Freedom, and the right
> to preserve a lineage of a pure Aryan nature.  I am not a hater of negros
> or Asians, or Jews specifically for their color or appearance.  I am
> however a firm believer that we need to abolish the filth that prevails on
> the internet, television, and in our everyday lives.  I have only recently
> become aware of an intelligent movement in favor of Aryan preservation, and
> love for a clean Aryan haritage.  I have come in contact with a web page
> called the Stormfront page.  Their adress is
> http://204.181.176.4/stormfront/defaultf.htm.  

Or just go:

http://www.stormfront.org

> 	I am a lover of science and I plan to oneday teach or work in the science
> field, perhaps working against pollution, and capatilist takeover of Mother
> Earth.  I welcome any responses, but I am not a hater of other races, only
> capatalism and perversion, so please do not send me any hate mail.  I am in
> the process of searching for an Aryan group in my area that supports my
> beliefs, and can help inform me of more resources involving intelligent
> preservation of my heritage.  If anyone has any adresses, web or email,
> that I can write to to recieve more information, please send those to me,
> and God Bless all who have listened with open minds to what I've said,
> including negros, Semmites, Aryans, and all of gods creation.  May you ALL
> have the strength to overcome hate and preserve your own heritage and love
> your brother.  I do.
> 	If I have made any errors, please correct me, and to make it much easier
> on me, please post your responses on the newsgroups i originally posted
> this letter on, rather than email me, unless you feel that you can help me,
> or truly share my beliefs.
-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Never In All Hisotry Has The Winning Side Ever Committed A War Crime
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) in <55m9g3$aoc@is05.micron.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news on alt.revisionism wrote:

> >> I am  interested: does anybody know an exception to this rule.
> >> Doesn't it say somthing about these precious "precedents" War Crimes
> >> are tried on?
> 
> >I can't think of one.  In any case, the globalist "concern" with War Crimes
> >is bogus.
> 
> How interesting that Jews were never put on trial for war crimes 
> after Israelis liquidated thousands of Egyptians.  How...  How suprising!

Isn't it interesting how throughout modern history it seems
always to be the defeated and trampled on enemy who arouses
the greatest wrath?

In our traditional truly European culture, the weak, the
"victims," the defeated, were either pitied, ignored, or at
worst exploited economically, but not hated.

But's it's our globalist culture today that the most hatred
arises, almost entirely directed against the weak and
ineffectual, yet with the fear that these underdogs might
seize power and wreck vengeance.  People feel they have so
much of a stake in the System simply by their current
position in the status quo, they become conservative, even
if they're just struggling along, they fear change.  They
fear and perhaps despise radicals, without regard to its
specifics, because a change in the power structure is so
"risky."

Radicals get bullied by taking what's postulated as the
"worst" of some of their fold and making it necessarily a
part of it.

Academics as a whole like to axiomize racism=war=holocaust
etc.  communism=kgb=poverty etc.



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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Jews owned most black slaves? its true!
Date: 5 Nov 1996 17:08:08 -0800
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jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () in <55gt5a$mkq@news.sas.ab.ca> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!syix.com!sierra.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!news.PBI.net!super.zippo.com!zdc!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!jkodish on soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.mexican.american,soc.culture.african.american,can.politics,alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism wrote:

> : A common problem with middle class and poor Jews is their refusal
> : to oppose their own wealthy counterparts when they commit a collective
> 
> : Oppenheimer, richest man in the world, while he was making his killing 
> : from Apartheid?  Instead, it was always the Boers who were attacked, not
> 
> Heuh? I thought he was making atomic bombs.

Harry Oppenheimer, the don of South Africa, richest man in the world,
exploiter of all sub-Saharan Africa, was an extremely rare name to
be found attached to any so-called "anti-Apartheid" incident among
the millions of books and articles of Apartheid era.

> : want to help stop the horrors of free trade, appeal to your Jewish
> : comrades to drop the promotion of the FTA/NAFTA/GATT crime against
> 
> This Jewish boy has been fighting all of that. Funny to see that you're 
> not defending me..

Then fight your wealthy Jewish leaders, kingpins of the capitalist
world, in favor of international capital, shoving FTA/NAFTA/GATT
down the economic graphs.

Of course, little doubt you and your friends blamed the free trade
swindle on the type of people described by the Hollywood image of 
the elite businessman, sort of a mixture of patriot, classist, 
racist, redneck, etc., a completely fictitious creature.

> It is a sad day when one who opposes the ever looming power of the State
> is called an anarchist. When it becomes politically incorrect to believe 
> in such basic precepts such as freedom of choice. It is my belief that 
> those who do not defend their rights deserve to lose them...-Me.

People who stick up for their rights successfully are helping others
by showing them the way and opening doors.



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 07:53:54 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: exterminationists -- stop whining
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goat@anus.com (CHRIST SODOMIZER) in <55l8q8$gav@jerry.loop.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!dobie.loop.net!news	 on news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.nationalism.black,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.usa,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.fan.unabomber,alt.activism,alt.anarchism,alt.apocalypse,alt.censorship,alt.2600,alt.wired wrote:

> Let's try this again: GOAT, unhampered by the bias that drives Rich
> Graves to spend his days and nights in alt.revisionism, spent some
> time communicating with Ursus Major (and will do so in the future) as
> he is an intelligent individual regardless of his politics.

Rich just can't understand someone better than him, because his 
eyeballs have been planted to the floor so long they've grown roots.
Some people just don't take advantage of their education, they just
do what their told, vegetize, and shoot the stool at anybody who
disses their lazy snobbishness.

> If more of humanity overcame our political ends and started just
> talking, we'd get a lot more done than by supporting the enforced
> fractiousness that gives place to the lives of those like Rich Graves.

Aye!

Intellectual freedom is the crack pipe of European culture, without
the hangover!

-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 07:53:55 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Irving as a Historian
Date: 5 Nov 1996 17:35:14 -0800
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slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest Slepokura) in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.infomagic.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.cadvision.com!agta185.cadvision.com!user on alt.revisionism wrote:

> Graves insists he's 25 years old and, all things considered, has achieved
> much for a piker that age. 
> 
> But at 25, Irving had already published the justly celebrated The
> Destruction of Dresdsen. A book that Kurt Vonnegut Jr. would mention very
> favourably in his bestselling novel Slaughterhouse-Five.

And he isn't college graduate?  Well, school was holding him back.

Maybe Irving didn't like the conformity of school and so dropped
out to be a better historian.

> On his own, though, I have to admit that Rich Graves is a hellava guy. One
> of the best of the good guys. 
> 
> Certainly, he's VERY knowledgable about computers and the net. Who can
> blame him for showing knowledge off now and again?

He knows how to forge mail and usenet posts, which is very easy
for someone with root access like he does, but easy in any case.
Perl programmimg and windows networking, big deal!  I've written
my own OS with debug, while I was playing hooky from high school!

These are pedestrian skills on the net, alt.2600 and a book or
two is all you need to know.  (Well, a class helps to learn 
beginning programming.)

Rich is a blowhard, net-cop, spammer, abuser of Stanford, forger 
and a liar.



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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: THIS NEWSGROUP CENSORS!
Date: 6 Nov 1996 02:06:46 -0800
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Kevin Bennett <104567.1027@compuserve.com> in <327E410D.2769@compuserve.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsgate.compuserve.com!newsmaster on talk.politics.misc wrote:

> SHOW YOURSELF BIG BROTHER! I POSTED A MESSAGE LAST NIGHT AND IT'S GONE. 
> THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION BELIEVES IN FREE SPEECH AS LONG AS THEY AGREE 
> WITH WHAT YOU SAY!

It's the fault of Compuserve.

Switch to a shell account to prevent problems with network 
software.



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:44:51 PST 1996
Article: 78681 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism
Subject: The Holocaust Profiteers Are Criminal Hate Mongers
Date: 5 Nov 1996 17:54:50 -0800
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) in <327f1ede.9130347@199.0.216.204> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!news2.cais.com!news on alt.revisionism wrote:

> >	The Holocaust story relates some of the most wicked claims in
> >world history. If it's true then it deserves attention. If it's true,
> >then it wouldn't be a 'hate crime' to harp and harp.
> >	But, then again, if the story is not true, then it is a 'hate
> >crime'. Considering the obsessive, eternal and constant harping on the
> >story, if it's not true, then it is the hate crime of the milennia.
> 
> 	Since so many components of the Holocaust story have been shown
> to be and accepted to be lies, and are now deleted from the story, and
> that there is still much controversy to the subject, then it deserves
> wide scale, global attention and must be put up for grand debate.
> 	Anyone opposing this is trying to hide something, bring
> totalitarian policy, stifle freedom of speech, make all the lives lost
> for the cause of truth and freedom a wasted thing. 

It doesn't matter what the facts of the Holocaust are.

The Holocaust industry is a hate crime by demonizing groups by
race, nationality, religion, disability, and sexual orientation.

-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity"  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:44:52 PST 1996
Article: 78692 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: ZOG Brief #1-Introduction
Date: 6 Nov 1996 11:54:58 -0800
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chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) in <55l0rj$esu@scoop.eco.twg.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!scoop.eco.twg.com!chall on alt.revisionism wrote:

> In article <55kc1r$ivl@is05.micron.net>,
> Kurt Stele  wrote:
> >Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:
> >
> >>>Who is in charge of producing Kosher foil?  Can we sneak it into the
> >>>goyim foil stockpile?
> >
> >>I was, but I got caught.  Foiled again!
> >
> >You probably find kosher tin foil sensical.

You misspelled "sensual."  

Kimberley is quite a perve.

> It's already been explained several times why aluminum foil gets
> kosher-certified. The kosher laws don't apply just to food, but
> to anything that comes into contact with food.

Then why are you sucking my dick?

> If you want to save money on aluminum foil, then buy the generic
> store brand.

Or get generic people.

> check out the allegedly-kosher brothel at:
>     http://www.redlightnet.com/kosher/home.html

This is more interesting.  http://www.redlightnet.com/docs/dis.html


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From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:44:53 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Microsoft Historian
Date: 6 Nov 1996 12:39:54 -0800
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Rich Graves  in <3280609F.69BB@ix.netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news on alt.revisionism wrote:

> > Except that Mr. Graves has demonstrated more than once a suspicious
> > liking for Windows and other MS products, which only underscores my
> > point that, intelligent and respectable though he may be, he has
> > still not acquired _all_ the wisdom of old age.  };->
> 
> Libel! I said no such thing. In fact I am recognized in Gordon Fecyk's 
> Windows 95 FAQ for my blatant anti-Microsoft bias.

The liar, he's the most pro-microwimp of anyone on cypherpunks.

Is there anything he's claimed not to be?!??

--
What would you rather be: rich in assets, or rich in spirit?

Now you know why I boycott Microsoft(tm)



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:44:53 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Still waiting for public caca
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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infinet.com!schwartz on alt.revisionism wrote:

> So these hungry, tired, frightened, filthy, dehydrated, scared, resigned,
> disoriented people go where they are told by the men with the bright
> uniforms and polished boots and guns and barking dogs. They hold their
> children in their arms, and they go to the showers they're told to go to.
>  
> And they go to their deaths.
>  
> What part of this don't you understand?

So Jews are wimps, OK we've got the picture.

Russians fight back,
Germans fight back,
Italians fight back,
French fight back,
Danes fight back,
Dutch fight back,
Europe fight back,
but Jews punk out.

> Sara
> 
> posted/e-mailed

Eh?  Haven't you complained to postmasters for receiving 
Cc's, little girl?
 


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:49:47 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism
Subject: The Holocaust Profiteers Are Criminal Hate Mongers
Date: 5 Nov 1996 17:54:50 -0800
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tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) in <327f1ede.9130347@199.0.216.204> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.uio.no!news.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!news2.cais.com!news on alt.revisionism wrote:

> >	The Holocaust story relates some of the most wicked claims in
> >world history. If it's true then it deserves attention. If it's true,
> >then it wouldn't be a 'hate crime' to harp and harp.
> >	But, then again, if the story is not true, then it is a 'hate
> >crime'. Considering the obsessive, eternal and constant harping on the
> >story, if it's not true, then it is the hate crime of the milennia.
> 
> 	Since so many components of the Holocaust story have been shown
> to be and accepted to be lies, and are now deleted from the story, and
> that there is still much controversy to the subject, then it deserves
> wide scale, global attention and must be put up for grand debate.
> 	Anyone opposing this is trying to hide something, bring
> totalitarian policy, stifle freedom of speech, make all the lives lost
> for the cause of truth and freedom a wasted thing. 

It doesn't matter what the facts of the Holocaust are.

The Holocaust industry is a hate crime by demonizing groups by
race, nationality, religion, disability, and sexual orientation.

-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity"  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:49:48 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: ZOG Brief #1-Introduction
Date: 6 Nov 1996 11:54:58 -0800
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chall@eco.twg.com (Charles Don Hall) in <55l0rj$esu@scoop.eco.twg.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!scoop.eco.twg.com!chall on alt.revisionism wrote:

> In article <55kc1r$ivl@is05.micron.net>,
> Kurt Stele  wrote:
> >Kimberley Ahlf  wrote:
> >
> >>>Who is in charge of producing Kosher foil?  Can we sneak it into the
> >>>goyim foil stockpile?
> >
> >>I was, but I got caught.  Foiled again!
> >
> >You probably find kosher tin foil sensical.

You misspelled "sensual."  

Kimberley is quite a perve.

> It's already been explained several times why aluminum foil gets
> kosher-certified. The kosher laws don't apply just to food, but
> to anything that comes into contact with food.

Then why are you sucking my dick?

> If you want to save money on aluminum foil, then buy the generic
> store brand.

Or get generic people.

> check out the allegedly-kosher brothel at:
>     http://www.redlightnet.com/kosher/home.html

This is more interesting.  http://www.redlightnet.com/docs/dis.html


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       of any and all legal ramifications that may arise as a result of
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From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:49:49 PST 1996
Article: 78695 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Microsoft Historian
Date: 6 Nov 1996 12:39:54 -0800
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Rich Graves  in <3280609F.69BB@ix.netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!netcom.net.uk!ix.netcom.com!news on alt.revisionism wrote:

> > Except that Mr. Graves has demonstrated more than once a suspicious
> > liking for Windows and other MS products, which only underscores my
> > point that, intelligent and respectable though he may be, he has
> > still not acquired _all_ the wisdom of old age.  };->
> 
> Libel! I said no such thing. In fact I am recognized in Gordon Fecyk's 
> Windows 95 FAQ for my blatant anti-Microsoft bias.

The liar, he's the most pro-microwimp of anyone on cypherpunks.

Is there anything he's claimed not to be?!??

--
What would you rather be: rich in assets, or rich in spirit?

Now you know why I boycott Microsoft(tm)



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:49:49 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Still waiting for public caca
Date: 6 Nov 1996 12:49:05 -0800
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schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infinet.com!schwartz on alt.revisionism wrote:

> So these hungry, tired, frightened, filthy, dehydrated, scared, resigned,
> disoriented people go where they are told by the men with the bright
> uniforms and polished boots and guns and barking dogs. They hold their
> children in their arms, and they go to the showers they're told to go to.
>  
> And they go to their deaths.
>  
> What part of this don't you understand?

So Jews are wimps, OK we've got the picture.

Russians fight back,
Germans fight back,
Italians fight back,
French fight back,
Danes fight back,
Dutch fight back,
Europe fight back,
but Jews punk out.

> Sara
> 
> posted/e-mailed

Eh?  Haven't you complained to postmasters for receiving 
Cc's, little girl?
 


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:54:34 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Andrew Hyatt  in <327A3149.4F5A@uiuc.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet on soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.french,soc.culture.irish,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.italian,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.asian.american,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.south-africa wrote:

> So, before you or anyone else calls anybody a Nazi, only proceed if that
> person actually wears swastikas and says "Heil Hitler".  If everyone in
> the NG followed this simple rule, this place might actually be on its
> way to being a nice little newsgroup instead of the hate-filled dreck it
> is now.

FOAD, Nazi.  We're smart enough not to fall for that.

Six million Jews died in the Holocaust, and your trying to cover
up for them.  Nazis are everywhere, in pin stripe suits, in ripped
shirts, working in every industry, but you Aryan scum are trying
to pretend that Nazis can only be in the Third Reich, so you can
spread your virulent hate like the trashy redneck losers you are.

-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity"  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 14:57:42 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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In article <55bpsu$3rk@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>,
ttmitchell  wrote:
> >They deny the racism in the black community and in themselves.
> 
> I'll deny any racism in the black community.  Who are you talking
> about?  

How stupid!  Only whites are racist.

> >The popularity of Colin Powell is a rather benign expression of racism
> >- but racism is the only rational explanation I know of.  There is
> >nothing particularly outstanding about Powell with the exception of
> >his imaginary race (all race is myth).  That he had to overcome
> >prejudice in his rise is of course noteworthy by itself.
> 
> >But Powell himself is just another organization man who rose above the
> >coverup he participated in during the Iran-Contra affair.  Care to
> >explain how he managed that?
> 
> Are you saying the media is racist?  All of it?  All of them?  I know
> I must be missing something.

Ridiculous!  The media monopoly is anti-racist.  All of it.

> >Racism should be condemned wherever it occurs.  And racism among
> >fellow leftists I condemn most of all.

Only white leftists can be racist.  All whites are racist.
-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:37 PST 1996
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Subject: neo-nazi slothrop@poisson.com (J Durbin) forges cancels
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slothrop@poisson.com (J Durbin) in <327efb98.66041148@206.86.0.12> from nexp.crl.com!emerald.nb.net!news.emi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news1.best.com!nntp1.best.com!usenet at misc.legal,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.journalism,alt.culture.usenet,alt.politics.reform wrote:

> Well, well, well Steve. Dave Harmon the neo-nazi, one of the freedom
> knights. Good company you keep. (Harmon forges cancels you know. Tsk.)

Liar.

-- 

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:39 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.zines
Subject: To whom to complain about all the sex spam
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hiengrup@bitstream.net (Mr. No Legs) in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!syix.com!sierra.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!in-news.erinet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!bitstream.net!hiengrup.bitstream.net!user at alt.zines,news.admin.net-abuse.misc wrote:

>   If enough people care, we could make this group moderated, with
> different people taking a one week turn as moderator, unless one person
> wants to take on the responsibility.

It's the users responsibility to set up a killfile if you don't 
want to see the commercial porn posts.

-- 

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:40 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Ise  in <32758A08.7FF1@geocities.com> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news at news.admin.censorship,alt.wired,alt.culture.usenet,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.aol-sucks,alt.online-service.america-online,alt.journalism,alt.culture.jesse-garon wrote:

> I have a few friends who cannot send me personal email because they work
> for certain government agencies & high-security firms that read ALL
> email coming in & out.  I believe (even though I may be wrong) that if
> your employer provided the account then they have the right to read your
> email.  There was a test case (I think) where an employee tried to sue
> his employer for reading his email.  Since it was provided by his
> company the ruling was for his employer.  Could someone please confirm
> or deny this?

Actually, this also applies to academia too.

That's why savvy students always use ISP's with fake names for
posting conmtroversial material.  We have to do that to avoid
getting bad grades and other harrassment from the establishment.

-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:41 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,alt.uunet.anti-trust,alt.culture.usenet
Subject: Ending Cancels
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trebor@sirius.com in <327f1091.1754798@news.sirius.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.idt.net!news.cerf.net!pagesat.net!sun.sirius.com!usenet at news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,alt.uunet.anti-trust,alt.culture.usenet wrote:

> varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote:
> 
> >Perhaps a ton of forge cancels will provoke lazy admins to
> >get a clue.
> 
> Where were you when 30,000 rogue cancels were injected through UUNet?
> 
> They were reposted. Usenet hiccupped but that's about it.

I'm not faulting usenet, just the lame admins who are too lazy
to configure their news systems to ignore Control: cancel
articals.

-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



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From: pem4958@is.nyu.edu (Petrea Mitchell)
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>From  varange Mon Nov  4 17:42:15 1996
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From: pem4958@is.nyu.edu (Petrea Mitchell)
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>From  varange Mon Nov  4 17:42:16 1996
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From: pem4958@is.nyu.edu (Petrea Mitchell)
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>From  varange Mon Nov  4 17:42:17 1996
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From: varange (Spamkiller)
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From: pem4958@is.nyu.edu (Petrea Mitchell)
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>From  varange Mon Nov  4 17:42:19 1996
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From: varange (Spamkiller)
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 96 21:46:43 GMT
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From: pem4958@is.nyu.edu (Petrea Mitchell)
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>From  varange Mon Nov  4 18:00:44 1996
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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 96 21:46:43 GMT
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From: pem4958@is.nyu.edu (Petrea Mitchell)
Subject: cancel: 11/03/96 List of Meowers on alt.college.college-bowl - Meowatch.txt (1016/5484)
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-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:46 PST 1996
Article: 109225 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.ironhorse.com!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!nntp.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!crl8.crl.com!not-for-mail
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.zines
Subject: To whom to complain about all the sex spam
Date: 4 Nov 1996 13:39:43 -0800
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access
Lines: 118
Message-ID: <55lnqv$59o@crl8.crl.com>
References:  
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl8.crl.com
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:109225 alt.zines:9790

Simon Karpen  in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!tmpnews.crd.ge.com!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!rpi!usenet at alt.zines,news.admin.net-abuse.misc wrote:

> Another option is to use a scorefile if your newsreader supports it.
> My News/all.SCORE  (this is GNUS 5.x, may be different if any others
> actually support this) is setup to mark read anything with an all-caps
> subject, and I have been adding anybody who is a spammer to it,
> along with all of the sex sites that I actually end up seeing
> (i.e. those few that get past the subject lines). Note that I don't
> read the alt.sex.* newgroups, and that's why anything with an xref
> to alt.sex is automatically scored out.
> 
> anyhow, here's my all.score for your perusal. Also note that the majority
> of the ones in the From category are people who I saw spamming, posting MMFs,
> posting sex spams, etc. Grubor and speedbump are also in there.

For a killfile, this sure looks like complicated syntax!

You can easily convert this GNUS file to a trn killfile to put in
$HOME/News/KILL

/alt.sex/Hxref:j
/adult site/:j
/free money/:j
/alt.binaries/Hxref:j
/cunt.net/f:j

etc.

(("xref"                                                              
("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s)
("alt.sex" -1000 nil s)
)
("Newsgroups"
("alt.fan.oj-simpson" -1000 nil s)
)
("Subject"                                                      
("^\\(Re: \\)?[^a-z]*$" -200 nil R)
("\\<\\(make\\|fast\\|big\\)\\s-*\\(money\\|cash\\|bucks?\\)\\>" -1000 nil r)
("$$$$" -1000 nil s)
("^ *\\([(<]none[>)]\\|(no subject\\( given\\)?)\\)? *$" -1000 nil r)
("\\(un\\)?sub?scribe" -1000 nil r)
("please ignore" -1000 nil s)
("Adult Site" -1000 nil s)
("Hot XXX" -1000 nil s)
("Money Fast" -1000 nil s)
("FREE MONEY" -1000 nil s)
("Is anyone out there" -1000 nil s)
("MLM" -1000 nil s)
)
("from"
("intervest-pac@seanet.com" -1000 nil s)
("sale7@ix.netcom.com" -1000 nil s)
("segers@ix.netcom.com" -1000 nil s)
("nic@enterprise.net" -1000 nil s)
("fpinto@cougarnet.byu.edu" -1000 nil s)
("apsg@soca.com" -1000 nil s)
("jsaint@vsi.net" -1000 nil s)
("jradu@internetland.net" -1000 nil s)
("pc93@earthlink.net" -1000 nil s)
("tdsinc@norfolk.infi.net" -1000 nil s)
("goat@anus.com" -1000 nil s)
("digitec@waldonet.net.mt" -1000 nil s)
("dlbdata@radix.net" -1000 nil s)
("hardcorexxx.com" -1000 nil s)
("notebook@juno.com" -1000 nil s)
("zenpub@aol.com" -1000 nil s)
("cum.net" -1000 nil s)
("claytoad@ix.netcom.com" -1000 nil s)
("mdb125@psu.edu" -1000 nil s)
("adavis@mail.degree.com" -1000 nil s)
("cfdirect@webspun.com" -1000 nil s)
("webmaster@computersales.com" -1000 nil s)
("dash@fiber.net" -1000 nil s)
("markh@gator.net" -1000 nil s)
("prices@ctektx.com" -1000 nil s)
("rdolce2101@aol.com" -1000 nil s)
("Fluffy" -1000 nil s)
("cunt.net" -1000 nil s)
("Law Doctor" -1000 nil s)
("mikecpus@aol.com" -1000 nil s)
("102665.117@compuserve.com" -1000 nil s)
("eapoe@netcom.com" -1000 nil s)
("Manus" -1000 nil s)
("sbolting@nemonet.com" -1000 nil s)
("Grubor" -1000 nil s)
("Boursy" -1000 nil s)
("DrG" -1000 nil s)
("gorilla.net" -1000 nil s)
("NoCeMbot@bwalk.dm.com" -1000 nil s)
("William McAlpin" -1000 nil s)
("Alan Paulus" -1000 nil s)
("INTOL" -1000 nil s)
("billhart@ix.netcom.com" -1000 nil s)
("Sir.Cum.a.LOT" -1000 nil s)
("leaky.pussy.cum" -1000 nil s)
("fuk.net" -1000 nil s)
("Carl Industries" -1000 nil s)
("Sybercom" -1000 nil s)
("Computer Headquarters" -1000 nil s)
("Grant Riggle" -1000 nil s)
("Value Computer Fairs" -1000 nil s)
("bpowell@nyx.nyx.net" -1000 nil s)
("contax@aol.com" -1000 nil s)
("salavi@lys.vnet.net" -1000 nil s)
("aolsz@easyway.net" -1000 nil s)
("ComputerMAX" -1000 nil s)
("neutronet.com" -1000 nil s)
("terry@modesty.com" -1000 nil s)
("pcs@poboxes.com" -1000 nil s)
)
(mark -100)
(expunge -900)
)
-- 

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:47 PST 1996
Article: 109397 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsrelay.courtave.net!polo.iquest.com!news3.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!jerod23
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.zines
Subject: To whom to complain about all the sex spam
Date: 4 Nov 1996 15:18:17 -0800
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access
Lines: 26
Message-ID: <55ltjp$6ct@crl8.crl.com>
References: 
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl8.crl.com
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:109397 alt.zines:9792

jerod23@netcom.com (Jerod Pore) in  from nexp.crl.com!NEWS!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!jerod23 at alt.zines,news.admin.net-abuse.misc wrote:

> Now most of the spam is coming from forged addresses, so just hitting
> reply won't do it either.  You have to do a little digging.

> Path: netcom.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.PBI.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!ns1.aplatform.com!pagesat.net!news1.good.net!news.good.net!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news
> From: angela@wetnwil.com (angela)
> Message-ID: <55d840$l1j@usenet80.supernews.com>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.250.112.48
> 
> The key information here is the NNTP-Posting-Host and the Path.  The Path
> indicates that this spam came from our dear friends at supernews.com

Not so.  Some sites don't do NNTP-Posting-Host lines.
Message-ID:  lines can also be fake.

The only part of a header that can be trusted is the Path:  line
but the Path:  line can be appended with bogus information.

Look at the Path:  line in my header in this post.

-- 

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:49 PST 1996
Article: 109477 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!btnet-feed2!btnet!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.crl.com!news3.crl.com!nexp.crl.com!crl2.crl.com!not-for-mail
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.policy
Subject: Defenders Of Censorship Practice Denial-Of-Service E-Mail Spam
Date: 4 Nov 1996 22:53:50 -0800
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access
Lines: 2553
Message-ID: <55mo9u$apu@crl2.crl.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: crl2.crl.com
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca news.admin.net-abuse.misc:109477 news.admin.censorship:18616

So they send thousands of e-mails totaling over ten megabytes of 
garbage in just a couple of hours I was logged off until I linked
my mailbox to /dev/null to stop the trashing of my $HOME.

CRL Networking should be pretty pissed that someone is clogging
their bandwidth and CPU with what might end up being much worse.

This personal denial-of-service attack could very well be construed
as an attempt to interfere with the CRL network with the repercussions
that would be desirable.

Here's one of the 200th or so e-mail and after that the last
e-mail before linking my mailbox to /dev/null, being aware that
if the culprit is not at Intel.com, Intel.com will have to check 
their logs to find the originating site:

>From  varange Mon Nov  4 18:28:41 1996
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-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:51 PST 1996
Article: 109602 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.policy
Subject: Ending Cancels
Date: 4 Nov 1996 22:12:55 -0800
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tskirvin@uiuc.edu (Tim Skirvin) in <55lh7r$sip@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!symcom.math.uiuc.edu!tskirvin on news.admin.net-abuse.misc wrote:

> varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) writes:
> 
> >Cancels are essentially pointless and should quit being used.
> >It's long overdue.
> 
> 	Tell that to the people that were bombed this weekend.

I'm being mailbombed right now!

In the couple of hours I last logged off, it's up to 5megs+ and 2,500
seperate e-mails!

Obviously it's being done by censorship fans.

Censorship is the number one form of net-abuse.


Note that this header could be forged from somewhere else.

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-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:53 PST 1996
Article: 109757 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.zines
Subject: To whom to complain about all the sex spam
Date: 5 Nov 1996 12:05:11 -0800
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access
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Simon Karpen  in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!rpi!usenet on news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.zines wrote:

> [prev. posts not included for brevity]
> [instructions on all.SCORE versus trn killfile deleted for brevity]
> Basically, the scorefile is a lot more powerful than a killfile.
> For example, if I have an article that scores below -100 but above -900,
> it is marked as read but left in the listing of articles for me
> to see. 
> 
> I'm eventaully going to integrate something from the GNUS FAQ's that
> scores down articles based on the number of crossposts as well. 
> I've tried tin, trn, rn, and a few others, but always end up going
> back to GNUS. 

The syntax just seemed complex.

What is GNUS anyway, can it be compiled for shell, or does it
require slip/ppp?

trn, nn and pine, etc., are almost unusable in its default 
configurations.  It takes hours with the manual and trial and error 
to figure out a comfortable configuration.

I'm not sure, but the trn killfile for more than five crossposts
may look something like this:

/,.*,.*,.*,/Hnewsgroups:j

-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity."  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:54 PST 1996
Article: 109833 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: ECP's and off-topic's from goat@anus.com
Date: 5 Nov 1996 13:46:28 -0800
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NNTP-Posting-Host: crl10.crl.com

stukafox@nntp.best.com (StukaFox) in <55md63$f3h@nntp1.best.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news1.best.com!nntp1.best.com!stukafox on news.admin.net-abuse.misc wrote:

> : There has been over the last few months a bombardment of cross-posted
> : off-topic posts from anus.com (listed as the American Nihilist Underground
> : Society), most from Christ Sodomizer/Goat, posted to alt.music.jewish.
> : Since they are clearly intended to draw flames, they are doubly annoying,
> : with all of the re:'s showing up also.

There's are ways to solve this with the trn newsreader:

put one of these lines in $HOME/News/KILL

/goat@anus.com/f:j
/@anus.com/f:j

To stop reading crossposts put this line in $HOME/News/alt/music/jewish/KILL

/,/Hnewsgroup:j

>      Someone (a human being, not Borsey, et al) tell me why it's wrong to
>      cancel this crap again?

The lazy and stupid will always find new things to whine about.

> Mike Beebe

Mike Beebe is a notorious troller, who regularly appears on 
news.admin.net-abuse.misc.  "Stukafox" likes to threaten people 
with lining them up against a wall and machine gunning them, out 
of his violent fascist views.  Although he claims not to be a 
Neo-Nazi, you be the judge of that.  Disagreeing with his posts
is "subhuman," of course.

-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity"  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov  6 15:07:55 PST 1996
Article: 109857 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.policy
Subject: Defenders Of Censorship Practice Denial-Of-Service E-Mail Spam
Date: 5 Nov 1996 18:13:15 -0800
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Bcc: postmaster@ornews.intel.com,todd@ibeam.intel.com
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scheidell@fdma.com (Michael S. Scheidell) in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news1.mpcs.com!fdma.com!scheidell on news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.censorship wrote:

> someone should also tell todd@ibeam.intel.com
> guess i will:
> 
> todd, someone using hosts under your domain are mailbombing several people.
> 
> varange@crl.com can send you 200+ email bombs send out of your system.

It was 2,500-2,700 mail bombs, just over 5 megs, in about two hours
before I turned linked the mailbox -> /dev/null
It should be easy to locate the culprit in the logs.  If it was
fake mail the domain of the culprit will be in intel.com logs.

> In article <55no7a$68t@web.nmti.com>, Peter da Silva wrote:
> >In article <55mo9u$apu@crl2.crl.com>, Troy Varange  wrote:
> >> Here's one of the 200th or so e-mail and after that the last
> >> e-mail before linking my mailbox to /dev/null, being aware that
> >> if the culprit is not at Intel.com, Intel.com will have to check 
> >> their logs to find the originating site:
> >
> >Unless you have edited the headers, or intel has a broken mail server
> >at ormail.intel.com, then the mail was received at ormail from 134.134.192.2
> >which *is* ornews.intel.com, and apparently behind a firewall.
> >
> >However ornews does no verification of the originator, so it could have
> >come from anywhere. This message CCed to postmaster@ornews.

It probably is fake mail, but intel will definately have the domain
of the culprit in their logs.

> >Nonexistent "news.admin.policy" removed from the newsgroups line.

Existent on crl.  High traffic last I checked.

-- 
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and
emotional maturity"  - Sigmund Freud



From varange@crl.com Thu Nov  7 08:28:03 PST 1996
Article: 89384 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jews in Wichita, Kansas
Date: 6 Nov 1996 13:34:12 -0800
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humonkey@aol.com (Humonkey) in <55974t$r01@newsbf02.news.aol.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> Does anybody know if there is information on the WWW concerning the jewish
> communities of Kansas - in particular, Wichita? Please respond tp
> humonkey@aol.com. Thanx in advance.

Good question.

Try looking in your local paper for the personals.

You'll find a mate there.



From varange@crl.com Thu Nov  7 08:28:04 PST 1996
Article: 89390 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jewish Culture
Date: 6 Nov 1996 13:42:49 -0800
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lobel@is.nyu.edu (Sheldon Lobel) in <55b85f$2j5@news.nyu.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!news-2.csn.net!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!yuma!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!cmcl2!news.nyu.edu!not-for-mail on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> : I've been trying to figure out just what Jewish culture is.  I've asked
> : some Jewish friends locally, but came up dry.

Ask them again, but this time with a warm smile, like your gonna
convert to get some of those Jewish babes who keep saying no.  
Jewish chicks will do anything to bed a converted wasp.

> : There were apparently no great civilizations, no great art of any note,
> : no great music of any note.  So what then is Jewish culture?
> : 
> : I can think only of two major contributions to the world: communism and
> : atomic bombs.

The greatest Jews in history are Lenin and Reich.

Sexology and the Bolshevik party, the staff of life.



From varange@crl.com Thu Nov  7 08:28:05 PST 1996
Article: 89440 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: stop nazis on the net
Date: 6 Nov 1996 13:55:58 -0800
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nietgal@airmail.net (Ethel Jean Saltz) in <55deuc$c5g@library.airnews.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!LSNT1!news.silcom.com!news.west.net!hsnx.wco.com!waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!newshub.csu.net!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> Just encourage every Jew to read and discuss MEIN KAMPF on this bb
> with the Nazi's. I think it's that simple! Discuss it within the
> framework of the scientific thinking of that era, the politics, the
> culture, the economy, etc. The best weapon the Jews have to combat
> Naziism is to be armed with the ultimate weapon MEIN KAMPF.
> There is a technique to reading this book, I've discovered, and this
> technique helps one even manage current politics in this country. I
> keep it right by my pc to remind me how people of the world think, be
> they Jewish, African, Women, Children. It's the ultimate encyclopedia
> of evil. It can be used to destroy itself. You have to understand the
> technique.

Some people in countries like Germany and Israel can't 
avail themselves of this tool because of state censorship.

> >I sent my vote as a NO to allow the nazis to have their own newsgroup.
> >I think however that we as Jews might be better off by leaving it alone
> >because:
> >1. Freedom of speach is a scared right we have and I fear that if we
> >block any group or person from their expressing their ponit of view, we
> >may opening ourselves up to the same treatment.

He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.

> >2. I think that the nazi message is so outrageous that the more people
> >hear from them, the more people will realize how crazy & frightening
> >they are. They could be our best defense against them.

For every one individual who converts to nazism, there's
at least five others who at least harden their anti-nazism.

Both sides think this is to their advantage.

> >3. I think that if they have their own page they might not post on our
> >pages, so that we do not have to even see their smute. I get upset when
> >I see their stuff on the net or see them in the newspapers, radio and
> >TV.

4.  If nazis don't have their own soc.* group, they'll go 
to other groups.  The traffic more than warrants a dozen
or two well propagated newsgroups.



From varange@crl.com Thu Nov  7 10:43:54 PST 1996
Article: 78799 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: White Versus Anti-White
Date: 6 Nov 1996 11:35:51 -0800
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libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) in <55jr5s$5g2@lendl.cc.emory.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.infomagic.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.worldpath.net!iag.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!mindspring!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!news.service.emory.edu!not-for-mail on alt.revisionism wrote:

> :     As I said, all you so-called "non-racists" demand immigration into
> : white majority countries, and ONLY into white majority countries  (The
> : fact you are in China 
> : doesn't mean a damn thing, how superficial can you get?).  Nobody is
> : upset when Japan limits its immigration, but you raise hell is the US
> : and Europe don't open up.

Because where there's no minorities, there's no minority POWER!
There's got to be some strong streak of liberalism in China and
Japan to introduce MINORITISM into their countries because it
takes introduction of minority races into the host before they
can agitate for power within the beast.

The Oriental nations are not liberal enough to allow multiracism 
to develop.  It first requires an ideological breakdown to initiate
the multiracism, then the full scale putrefaction takes a hold.

> Actually, I think Japanese racial policies are despicable.  

Japanese are lucky as hell.  They've got a higher birthrate 
than any white people.  They've got a relatively good nationality
regulation.  But idealogical rot is progressing rapidly.  Biological
liberalism has begun it's affect with the importation of "temps," 
Koreans allowed to stay as non-citizens to do shit work; this is
very similar to the USA's policy with Mexicans in the 1950's.
In a few decades Japan will be Singapore; Good!, then they won't
be a threat!

It's China that's the biggest Oriental threat to the white
nationality.  The fifth coloumn in America must be watched closely.

> I am a citizen of the United States, though, and as such I can have 
> some limited effect on public policy.  

Did you vote for Harry Browne?  No?  Then fuck off.

> Yes, Bob.  That's right.  For reasons no one can possibly discern, we
> white non-racists have decided to destroy the White Race.  

You liberal boneheads are just afraid of responsibility, eh?

"Da white race don' exist, so I's don' cares 'bout nothin'!"

> By the way, Bob--you forgot to say "Mommy Professor" in this post. 

Why should he oblige you, little boy Milhouse.



From varange@crl.com Fri Nov  8 10:58:17 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Still waiting for public caca
Date: 7 Nov 1996 12:06:18 -0800
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Hardwire  in <847316400.23380.11@vertigo.combase.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!usc!chi-news.cic.net!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!vertigo.combase.com!not-for-mail on alt.revisionism wrote:

> Troy Varange wrote:
> 
> > > > Sara
> > >
> > > posted/e-mailed
> > 
> > Eh?  Haven't you complained to postmasters for receiving
> > Cc's, little girl?
> > 
> 
> Nahh.. she loves sending cc's... they all do, makes 'em feel squishy or
> something I guess.

And then they cry about receiving them!

They can dish it out but can't take it!



From varange@crl.com Fri Nov  8 10:58:18 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Brian Smith is Kurt Stele??
Date: 7 Nov 1996 20:19:46 -0800
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kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) in <55t83t$enm@is05.micron.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news on alt.revisionism wrote:

> >Mr. Smith screwed up and signed a post from his Smith userid with
> >the Kurt Stele handle (see below).  How he can still claim not to
> >be Kurt Stele is beyond me, but Nazis never seem to have any problem
> >with a lie, no matter how ridiculous.
> 
> I told Yale to get an NA member to verify his lie that the Freeman 
> brothers were NOT NA members.  I did and I posted it.   As it turned 
> out the Freeman brothers AREN'T NA and Rich Graves and Yale are both 
> lying as usual.

Perhaps the initial TV and newspaper reports said they were NA
members and never reported their discovery in a followup that 
they were found not to be members.

The media monopoly does that all the time.

That actions of the Freemen brothers are what the NA is against.

But Yale and Rich are just afraid that they worked very hard
at school and afterward and that if it was all for naught,
then they are just nobodies.  Their vanity is at stake.



From varange@crl.com Fri Nov  8 10:58:19 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Still waiting for public caca
Date: 8 Nov 1996 04:58:47 -0800
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John.Morris@UAlberta.CA (John Morris) in <3282fdcf.6950099@news.srv.ualberta.ca> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news on alt.revisionism wrote:

> >So Troy was the one posting under the monikers of "Potato," "Banana,"
> >"Pea" and the names of various other brainless vegetables?  Makes sense.
> 
> Yes. And his real name is Dave Harman. He is presently in the middle
> of an adolescent hissy fit because Rich Graves outed the fruit.

No, that was done by another sheller on crl using the "last" command.
Rich doesn't no diddly about computers.

And Troy Varange is my birth name.



From varange@crl.com Fri Nov  8 11:42:24 PST 1996
Article: 502870 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: "Crazy Helen" -- hero of America
Date: 7 Nov 1996 13:36:37 -0800
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fizztwo@aol.com (FizzTwo) in <55nn17$lhq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail on talk.politics.misc wrote:

> Rep. Helen Chenoweth - Poster Child of the Militia
> 
> Dan Yurman of The Albion Monitor, August 19, 1995.
> 
> REP. HELEN CHENOWETH  (R-ID) is an outspoken supporter of the militia.
> 
> She has never condoned violence, but she has defended militia groups. 
> After the Oklahoma City bombing she warned against "a rush to condemn 
> many people who are guilty of nothing more than the peaceful exercise 
> of their basic rights." Militias, in turn, praise her legislative 
> agenda, distribute her speeches and call her their best friend 
> in Congress. 
> 
> The Boise-based Idaho Statesman called Rep. Chenoweth "a poster 
> child for the militias," and accused her of confusing individual 
> freedom with anarchy. Rep. Chenoweth's rhetoric is uncompromising,
> and she tars with a wide brush. Her stand is an example of how 
> once-radical conspiracy theories can enter the political mainstream. 
> Before and after her election victory in November, she did the 
> following. 
> 
> *Issued a warning that, "We are in a day-and-age now when we 
> are facing an unlawful government from time-to-time."
>  
> *Proposed a bill to strip federal agents, including the FBI, 
> of most arrest, search and seizure powers, unless city or county 
> leaders give advance written approval.
>  
> *Said that of all the species on Earth, "It's the white Anglo-
> Saxon male that's endangered," a comment echoed by Idaho Sen. 
> Larry Craig last August.
>  
> *Linked environmentalism to Marxism and called for converting 
> federal lands to state, local or private ownership. 
> Proposed to open silver mining operations in the Idaho Sawtooths 
> wilderness area.
>  
> *Defended Samuel Sherwood, chief of the United States Militia 
> Association, who was widely quoted as telling his followers:
> "Go up and look legislators in the face, because some day you 
> may be forced to blow it off." 
> 
> He says that remark was quoted out of context, but twice confirmed 
> it to the Associated Press at the time he said it. Since then most 
> newspapers in Idaho have refused to accept as credible his claims 
> of being misquoted. Sherwood's remarks could be interpreted as 
> going beyond the protection of the 1st amendment and into the realm 
> of criminal intimidation. The Idaho State legislature thought so 
> and passed a unanimous resolution condemning his remarks. 
> 
> Critics of Chenoweth,including Rep. George Miller (D-CA), have 
> accused Chenoweth of "pandering to militia with 'code words'." 

You know why certain political leaders are hated by the rich
scum?  They can't be bought off.

I prefer candidates who actually have an ideology, rather than
the parasitical scum who pander to business.

> Her videotaped comments linking environmental activism to the 'New 
> World Order' are sold by the Militia of Montana. Chenoweth says 
> she did not authorize the sale of the video tape, but she has not 
> asked the militia to stop selling the tape.
> 
> Let's be clear about what's going on. It's hard to stand out as 
> a a freshman republican member of Congress. Chenoweth has chosen 
> a path to the limelight paved with the pages of conspiracy theories 
> and extremist views on politics and the environment. Her idea of 
> political expediency is to use the noteriety of the militia to 
> gain press, and negative press is better than none at all. Remember,
> there is wide sympathy for militia and anti-environmental views 
> in Idaho, and the voters of Idaho are the only ones she cares about. 
> This may prove to be the wrong path for Rep. Chenoweth. The democrats 
> in Idaho have already fielded a candidate to run against her saying 
> her radical views don't fit Idaho's politics.
> 
> Last fall the National Federal Lands Conference, a Wise Use group,
> printed a newsletter titled "Why There is a Need for the Militia 
> in America." Inside, it explained, "To overthrow the men who pervert 
> the Constitution." Wise Use and militia groups increasingly share 
> members, and some Wise Use leaders have spoken at white supremacist 
> gatherings. Wise Use leaders may be seeking to broaden their base 
> of support, as militia groups seek increased political respectability.
> 
> 
> Chenoweth has placed herself in the midst of this loose coalition. 
> To achieve this position, she has adopted a political line which 
> is a blend of Wise Use and militia politics. She charges that the 
> government used black helicopters to enforce the Endangered Species 
> Act, which coincides with militia reports that black helicopters 
> are invading the West. Federal wildlife officials say they have 
> no such aircraft in Idaho. Chenoweth made the charges at a press 
> conference without ever consulting with the Department of Interior.
> 
> It turns out the only green-and-black colored helicopters in Idaho 
> are used by the national guard. The Militia of Montana tried to 
> shoot down a national guard helicopter on a training mission which 
> had the bad luck to overfly a ranch owned by a militia leader. 
> The Boise Interagency Fire Center has told the militia in both 
> states that if they interfere with forest fire fighting, that the 
> aircraft and men on the ground will be withdrawn and the fire allowed 
> to burn whatever stands in its path. 
> 
> Militia groups have long asserted that county sheriffs are the 
> supreme law-enforcement officials in the land. Rep. Chenoweth
> introduced a bill that would make that philosophy law. And while
> militia groups have focused charges of brutality against federal
> firearms enforcers, Rep. Chenoweth has leveled such accusations
> against environmental enforcers. 
> 
> At a public hearing in Boise, she cited a March 1995 incident in 
> which wildlife officers searched a ranch for evidence in the shooting 
> of a wolf. By all accounts, their mere presence scared the elderly 
> rancher - but they kept their pistols holstered and used no force. 
> 
> Rep. Miller said that last year federal rangers nationwide were 
> assaulted 207 times and injured 36 times by guns, knives or other 
> weapons. The House Resources Committee recently voted to investigate. 
> Rep. Chenoweth opposed the probe, which she called "silly." 
> 
> Sherwood advocates having armed militiamen confront federal forest 
> rangers. "Then they'll think twice before saying, 'These are our 
> trees,'" he said. Rep. Chenoweth said she has never spoken to a 
> militia group, which is patently untrue. Sherwood praised her for 
> "standing up and defending her young, while these other snake-oil 
> politicians ran for the nearest dark place to hide."

So George Miller likes to use dead-agenting tactics?  Well, what
candidate doesn't?

Hooray for Helen Chenoweth!

If only she were socialist, she'd be even better.



From varange@crl.com Fri Nov  8 11:42:25 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Why The Republicans Lost The Election
Date: 7 Nov 1996 13:52:09 -0800
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Why did the republicans lose the election?

Because they put all their energy into attacking Pat Buchanan.

Buchanan was the figurehead of the Republican Party.  
Patriotic, anti-trade, nationalist.  To attack Buchanan is to
attack the Party, to stab itself in the back.

Traitors to the Party include:

Republican National Committee
Robert Dole
Jack Kemp
Norman Podherotz
And the crafters of FTA/NAFTA/GATT

If the Republicans quit with their free trade and other
anti-national effluvia, they'll win all elections.



From varange@crl.com Fri Nov  8 12:06:46 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Cyber Promo loses on key First Amendment argument
Date: 6 Nov 1996 13:00:24 -0800
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bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) in <55q23v$fu8@twwells.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!twwells!twwells!not-for-mail on news.admin.net-abuse.misc wrote:

> In article <19961105181700.NAA12120@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> : I can't believe no one sees the bigger picture.  The ruling allows
> : companies like AOL to block any message they want - political -
> : competitive - complaints - anything.
> 
> Yes, it does. And that is a good thing.
> 
> This is the marketplace -- everyone has the right to be stupid.
> And those who buy have the right to punish the stupid by voting
> with their dollars. Should AOL wish to block messages I want to
> see, I'll find another ISP. It's not like there aren't thousands
> to choose from....

Dump the free market!

Privatise the constitution!



From varange@crl.com Fri Nov  8 12:06:48 PST 1996
Article: 110405 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: What does this mean?
Date: 7 Nov 1996 14:01:59 -0800
Organization: Moderator of news.admin.net-abuse.misc
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latakia@ix.netcom.com (J.A. Hitchcock) in <3281e1d5.2736114@nntp.ix.netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news on news.admin.net-abuse.misc wrote:

Someone at spectrumc.co.uk is out to get you.  8-}

Complain to Gateway@spectrumsc.co.uk about their
stupid news setup.

> I replied to several posts in the misc.writing newsgroup and although
> my replies did appear, I got the following in my e-mail box yesterday:
> 
> Reply-To: Gateway@spectrumsc.co.uk
> To: latakia@ix.netcom.com
> Subject: NDN: Re: Yahoo! Preserved in plastic
> Date: 07 Nov 1996 15:27:33 GMT
> Organization: Spectrum Strategy Consultants
> 
> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:
> 
> Unable to create a message addressed to this name on the remote
> system.
> (-1070)
> JunkNews (-1070)
> 
> Return-Path: 
> From: Gateway@spectrumsc.co.uk (Gateway)
> Reply-To: Gateway@spectrumsc.co.uk
> To: latakia@ix.netcom.com
> Subject: NDN: Re: Small yahoo, not many killed.
> Date: 07 Nov 1996 15:27:31 GMT
> Organization: Spectrum Strategy Consultants
> 
> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:
> 
> Unable to create a message addressed to this name on the remote
> system.
> (-1070)
> JunkNews (-1070)
> 
> Return-Path: 
> From: Gateway@spectrumsc.co.uk (Gateway)
> Reply-To: Gateway@spectrumsc.co.uk
> To: latakia@ix.netcom.com
> Subject: NDN: Re: Woody Woodside goes stark raving mad
> Date: 07 Nov 1996 15:27:30 GMT
> Organization: Spectrum Strategy Consultants
> 
> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:
> 
> Unable to create a message addressed to this name on the remote
> system.
> (-1070)
> JunkNews (-1070)
> 
> Return-Path: 
> From: Gateway@spectrumsc.co.uk (Gateway)
> Reply-To: Gateway@spectrumsc.co.uk
> To: latakia@ix.netcom.com
> Subject: NDN: Re: Woodside falls off the tree!
> Date: 07 Nov 1996 15:27:54 GMT
> Organization: Spectrum Strategy Consultants
> 
> Sorry. Your message could not be delivered:
> 
> Unable to create a message addressed to this name on the remote
> system.
> (-1070)
> JunkNews (-1070)
> 
> 
>            J.A. Hitchcock -- International Author
>      **Just released: The Ghosts of Okinawa 2nd edition***
>        Contributing Writer/VR Monthly, ATHENA and Alsirat
>  See my books and more at www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/6006
>               Group Leader - Maryland Ghosthunters




From varange@crl.com Sat Nov  9 05:38:24 PST 1996
Article: 78951 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Still waiting for public caca
Date: 8 Nov 1996 15:55:53 -0800
Organization: Moderator of alt.revisionism
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mstein@access5.digex.net (Michael P. Stein) in <55tsjn$1cc@access5.digex.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.PBI.net!news1.rcsntx.swbell.net!news2.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail on alt.revisionism wrote:

> >> Nahh.. she loves sending cc's... they all do, makes 'em feel squishy or
> >> something I guess.
> >
> >And then they cry about receiving them!
> >
> >They can dish it out but can't take it!
> 
>     Not only have I seen nobody cry about receiving them in general (only
> from certain people), I have explicitly invited Cc:'s of posts replying to
> my posts.  News had a major flakeout here over the weekend, and many posts
> are missing.  Just indicate in the body of the email that it is a copy of
> a public post.  That way I have the option to make a public response even
> if news is unreliable and does not deliver the article to my news server.

        Ken McVay, Sara, Rich, and I forget who else are the
        biggest wimps who love to send insulting mail but whine
        to admins about simply recieving a Cc response to
	their posts.

        If you post on usenet, you've got to expect receiving
        mail, and should be thanked for it.

        That's why its called Courtesy copies.

        Oh, and set your mailreader to show Newsgroups:  lines,
        I've never replied to an article without that in the header.



From varange@crl.com Sat Nov  9 06:02:13 PST 1996
Article: 44479 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: AHABIZ Hates Militias And Supports Gun Control
Date: 8 Nov 1996 05:14:04 -0800
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AHABIZ and Mark Pitcavage are true scum who hate 
everything we stand for.

OTOH, The National Alliance supports militias and
opposes gun control.  

The NA are our friends, who stick up for us against
the scum who want to suppress the militias.



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 07:12:17 PST 1996
Article: 503819 of talk.politics.misc
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc
Subject: Nixon voters and Watergate
Date: 7 Nov 1996 15:54:44 -0800
Organization: Moderator of talk.politics.misc
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Erland.Gadde@sm.luth.se (Erland Gadde ) in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!eru.mt.luth.se!newsfeed.luth.se!news.luth.se!mac120.sm.luth.se!user on talk.politics.misc wrote:

> Clinton won the presidential election, despite the threats from Whitewater,
> dubious campaign fundings, etc. People said they voted for Clinton because
> the alternative was worse. I wonder how they will feel if Clinton will
> be forced to resign or something similar?
> 
> To get a perspective at these questions, I wonder if there are any people
> out there who voted for Nixon in 1972. If so, it would be nice if you could
> answer the following questions:

I was too young, but here are some reasons to:

> 1) Why did you vote for Nixon in 1972?

Opposition to the extremist movement.

> 2) Did you ever consider voting for McGovern? If not, why not?

Yes, his demogrant proposal was excellent.

> 3) What is your opinion about the Vietnam War and how Nixon handled it?

The purpose of the Vietnam War was entirely to secure the victory
of international capital.  Nixon was a liar, a member of the Council
of Foreign Relations, and supported the Vietnam War and global capital.
Nixon and Kissinger are traitors.

> 4) How did you react to the Christmas bombings of Hanoi and Haiphong
>    in December 1972?

Too little, too late.

> 5) What did you think about Nixons meetings with the Chinese and Soviet
>    leaders in 1972?

Stupid, it's only purpose was to increase trade, to give
global capital more power.

> 6) What did you think about Nixon's domestic policy?

A free market jerk.

> 7) What did you know about Watergate in November 1972 and how did
>    you react to it by then?

That both Parties are made up of liars.

> 8) Did Watergate make you hesitate to vote for Nixon?

No, his anti-extremism carried my vote.

> 9) Could you in November 1972 imagine that Nixon could be forced to
>    resign because of Watergate?

No.

> 10) How did you react during the development of the Watergate scandal
>     1973-74?

Indifference.

> 11) Did you change your opinion of Nixon during this development?

He's wimpier than ever.

> 12) How did you react when Nixon resigned in August 1974?

The Council of Foreign Relations controlled media demanded he resign 
and Nixon punked out.

> 13) How serious was Nixons wrongdoing during Watergate, in your
>     opinion?

Very.

> 14) Do you think that other U.S. presidents has been as dishonest as
>     Nixon, just that they didn't get caught?

Yes.  Nixon was caught because most of his team were non-Jewish.

> 15) What do you think about Nixon today, in retrospect? Was he
>     "basically good" or "basically bad"?

Bad.  Membership in the Council of Foreign Relations octopus is
proof of anti-americanism.

> Who am I asking this? I am a Swede and I have always lived in Sweden.

Perhaps you consider Svenska politics boring?  "Sweden's so
perfect we need to import our problems."  Sweden's done it.

There's plenty to argue about in Sweden.  The issues of
minorities, gun-control, revoking the Maastrict treaty, withdrawing
>from  the EU, stopping immigration, the birth rate crises, etc.

> I was only 10 years old in 1972, but it was at this time I began to be
> aware about political issues. I considered Nixon as a villain who
> bombed innocent people in Vietnam. I was happy when he was forced
> to resign. 

How about Bush's carpet bombing of Iraq?  The only reason this
isn't a hot issue is because the CFR controlled media approved of it.

> I lived in Atlanta during the first half of 1993, and I thougt Clinton
> made a good start. Unfortunately he didn't get any health reform
> through congress. Today, he seems to have given up and only being
> interested in power in itself. 

His membership in the CFR is proof he would be a failure as a
president, much as Bush.

As for health reform, that'll never happen until anti-business
activists force it by voting in politicians who aren't controlled
by the almighty profit margin.



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:20:32 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Continued Anti-semetism from Sun Corp Servers
Date: 7 Nov 1996 14:39:42 -0800
Organization: Moderator of soc.culture.jewish
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Jordi Sod  in <3281FB4C.2AFF@mail.internet.com.mx> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hp.fciencias.unam.mx!usenet on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> (emailed and posted)
> 
> The kikecancel cancellings were made by a rogue poster, probably to
> "protest" legitimate cancellations.  He did not specifically target
> Jews, he targetted women, Muslims, Asians, gays, etc. Thousands of posts
> were cancelled that day.
> 
> Sun had nothing to do with it. 

So your calling off the boycot of SunOS?



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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Giant Menorah
Date: 7 Nov 1996 14:42:56 -0800
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"David M. Baron, M.D."  in <328208C9.1236@usa.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.usa.net!news on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> > : What a beautifully simple idea. I've been wanting to put a menorah up
> > : on my front lawn. By George, I think I can, solo, at the age of 67.
> > : I'm not  craft-oriented, but this looks really doable. I mean a
> > : menorah, not a khanukiah. I just love the Menorah symbol for Judaism
> > : -- a light unto the nations!
> > : Now there are those joy-destroyers who will point out that it is a sin
> > : for an individual Jew to display a menorah, I found out that's why
> > : there's so many khanukiot and hardly any menorot.

There's a giant menorah in San Francisco's Union Square every year,
courtesy of Bill Graham's estate.



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:20:33 PST 1996
Article: 89616 of soc.culture.jewish
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: tHE mENTALLY ILL HAVE rIGHTS tOO
Date: 6 Nov 1996 14:07:05 -0800
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nietgal@airmail.net (Ethel Jean Saltz) in <55devu$c5g@library.airnews.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> I am worried about you. Are you part of the sufferers of bi-polar
> disorder and in the depressed state? Your post sure sounds like it.
> This is not a trivial matter. 
> Even Gershon Scholem recognized bi-polarism in Shabbatai Zevi.
> It may be that you are out-of-synch with reality and not the other way
> around?

Hey, don't stigmatize us.  The mentally ill can use computers
too.  Im DD, but I've met some nice bi chicks.  They're good people.

We just need medical help because of the pressures of modern society.
I mean, my idea of a dream job is picking artichokes in Sonoma, but
this line of temp work just doesn't pay enough.  ($6.00 an hour is 
actually pretty good, but it's just a short time before being laid off.)

> Alice Ann Heisten  wrote:
> 
> >I'm very depressed.  I come to these newsgroups to learn about the land, 
> >the people, the history...........Almost every post is part of an 
> >argument with insults and snide comments.
> 
> 
> be-ahavah ve-shalom EthelJean of Creekbend
> MAC-NIET-SPIN-GAL/0387A.G./Khai Y'all
> 




From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:20:34 PST 1996
Article: 89797 of soc.culture.jewish
From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Hatemonger
Date: 6 Nov 1996 14:51:58 -0800
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z-pulse@ix.netcom.com(tom wilson) in <55gugl$dj6@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsgate.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!news on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> November 11, 1996
> 
> E.J. Dionne
> The Washington Post

[ca ca deleted]

You know, what's really bigotted is hating people because they're
poor.  The ruling class wants to divert the class issue to anything
else, so "liberal" billionaires contribute to strengthening the
"progresive" front, to get minorities to think race instead of
class.

Has it worked?

FanTASTiCly!!

The working class of America has forgotten the communist ideals
of earlier times and have been shoved back into the baroque era.
All mainstream "approved" minorities have weakened to the awesome
power of greed over the values of the community.

The Spirit Of Capitulation TRIUMPHS!!

All groups have given in.  Some were even created out of thin
air just to increase the collective submission.  Everyone of
Europe, Africa and Asia, sexual minorities, mental or physical
disability minorities, age minorities, cultural and religious
minorities, but, of course, not class minorities, no such thing.

How can this be countered?

The first thing is to hate the rich and powerful(as if that isn't 
synonymous.)  Take everything stated by your "group" with a grain 
of salt.  Criticize by class and privilage.  Understand that 
anyone who is an actually decent person in the ruling class, you'd 
of heard of it by now, because he or she would be against the grain.
No such person.

Soviets?

There are no communist parties now, the old left simply gave lip 
service to class to please the USSR bureaucrats.  The new left 
replaced the class struggle with minoritism.  And we know that 
minoritism is simply a co-opting of the dissatisfied into an internal
struggle to strengthen the status quo.  The spirit of minoritism is 
just the old spirit of capitulation!  Just an excuse for 
irresponsibility, and a forgettable effluvia.

--
"He who works the land, will own it"  - Lothrop Stoddard



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:20:34 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Mein Kampf
Date: 7 Nov 1996 16:30:40 -0800
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roth1@ix.netcom.com(Moritz Rothschild) in <55skng$nl@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> Dear Andrew, I applaud you but I think I would go one step further.  I
> would want to know why he would want to know.  It is like printing the
> instruction for how to build a bomb.  I know it is done but look at the
> results.  I would not want them to use that hideous book---I refuse to
> even mention its name ---- to bring further degredation on us.  I am
> also appalled at Ethel Jean's attitude.

Just keep thinking "Ignorance is Strength"



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:20:35 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Mein Kampf
Date: 6 Nov 1996 14:59:53 -0800
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nevai@math.ohio-state.edu (Paul Nevai) in <55ib6h$lvd@ops.mps.ohio-state.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!not-for-mail on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> I am looking for an electronic version of "Mein Kampf" and although I
> searched the net all over the place, I couldn't find it. I think there is
> somewhere a list of "censored books" or something like that. Can you help?
> Toda Rabbah.  Please respond by e-mail. Thanks. Best regards...Paul

It there isn't, it just means everyone is too lazy to do it.

The Library of Congress should put ALL of it's collection online
with the only restrictions to the public:

* sale
* counterfeiting
* forgery

So the publisher and software company can make a decision of 
whether to copyright and retain some rights, or to sell stuff
uncopyrighted, with everyone having copy and resale rights.

Obviously the business and government prefer to let the market 
decide against the wishes of the country.



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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Jews ARE Jews, but arabs aren't arabs
Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:12:36 -0800
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FISTEL  in <327CEADD.29E7@erols.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!syix.com!sierra.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!in-news.erinet.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news on soc.culture.jewish wrote:

> If Ashkenazi Jews are really converted Turks, then why did Hitler kill
> them?

Hitler wouldn't kill Turks?

> 	If Ashkenazi Jews are really Khazars, what does that have to do with
> the Jewish claim to Israel, where over half the Jews are of
> Sephardic/Oriental origin?

The theory is that the Sephardim is a mixture of Ashkenazic
immigrants to Spain, with the Moorish immigrants to Spain.

> 	All Jew-haters, be they christian neo-nazi holocaust deniers, or arabs,
> are compelled (by the devil? is there such a thing?) to delegitimize
> Jews. The fact that Jews may be living proof of the Revelation at Sinai
> which the goyim reject so vehemently drives them crazy.
> 	That today's Jews are the living blood relatives of jesus and "saint"
> paul drove Hitler and his fellow master-racers mad. The British

Hitler was a master-racer alright.  Know how fast those German cars
go?  What do you think the Autobahn was built for, tanks?!???

> "aristocrats" couldn't handle their mixed origin from Celts, Romans,
> Angles, Saxons, Normans, etc., vis-a-vis the "Jewish rabble", whom they
> could never beat at any intellectual endeavor.

Are you referring to last century's British Israelite League?

> 	Arabs are worst of all. All of the Middle East was conquered by a small
> group of Arabs from Arabia who struck when the Byzantine and Persian
> empires had destroyed each other. The arab "republic" of Syria is really
> composed of Aramaic semites and Greco-Romans who now call themselves
> "arabs", the Iraqis of Aramaic semites and Persians, and the Egyptians
> of Coptic semites and Greco-Romans.

Are you sure that the Coptics were Semitic?

> 	The Khazars, whoever they were, and whatever became of them, converted
> to Judaism at the same time that the Arabs and pseudo-arabs converted to
> islam, and before the germans and english converted to christianity. At
> the very worst, they are at least as legitimate as arabs and germans.



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:20:37 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: God - Who Created God?
Date: 7 Nov 1996 14:37:55 -0800
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God is just a figure of speech for culture.



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:31:35 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: VICTIM DISARMAMENT IN THE UK
Date: 7 Nov 1996 20:38:18 -0800
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finn@ISI.EDU (Greg Finn) in <6wviblo3sq.fsf@rom.isi.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.infomagic.com!news.west.net!coconut!news.pixi.com!news.lava.net!nntp.reed.edu!sun.lclark.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!news.isi.edu!usenet on talk.politics.guns wrote:

> There is no moral difference between the police or SAS using deadly
> force to stop civilians from possibly being beaten and/or killed and a
> woman who chooses to defend her life before she is beaten or killed by
> a criminal ...

That is the true European attitude.  Try to rape in pagan Europe 
and no hestitation whatsoever in killing the degenerate.

Those who think that is somehow "evil," don't have the European
culture in mind, but the Asian mindset of slavery, as if the slave
mentality of capitulation is somehow healthier than the mentality 
of right and wrong?!??



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:31:37 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Sniper Rifle ban...is coming
Date: 7 Nov 1996 23:58:29 -0800
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gt6511a@cad.gatech.edu (Lone_Wolf) in <55nme4$51u@gypsy.cad.gatech.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!LSNT1!news.silcom.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!prism!smash.gatech.edu!gypsy.cad.gatech.edu!gt6511a on talk.politics.guns wrote:

> #> According to Michael Reagan's talk show, on next year's Congressional 
> #> agenda (the 105th. Congress) is pending legislation which would ban any 
> #> rifle which operated from a bolt action, had a scope, and was 30-06 
> #> caliber or larger...They higher-ups deem these characteristics as "sniper 
> #> rifles". With Billy's reelection, this may be a very serious problem. 
> #> Seek out and write your reps, vote out the dicator-democrats!!!
> 
> #Quite frankly, I wish they WOULD try to ban guns that are obviously and
> #undeniably of the "sporting" type! Then maybe more people would wake up
> #to what is going on! Sadly, I think they are more apt to keep pounding
> #away at the fringes. I vote 'junk gun' handguns the next most likely
> #target.
> 
> They're already building up the propaganda, and starting in California.  Course,
> the way they've worded the current proposals, my SIG 229 would be banned, as
> would Glocks, some Rugers, etc...

"Sniper rifles!!!"  That's ALL rifles!!!

Next it'll be the "mass murder" guns.  Shotguns!

Of course, handguns are already "armed robbery" guns.

Yes, people need to wake up.

--
"Disarmament proceeds war"



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:31:37 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: My Stand on the Gun Issue
Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:40:25 -0800
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bl349@yfn.ysu.edu (David A. Tharp) in <55d5uu$ji9@news.ysu.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!bl349 on talk.politics.guns wrote:

> 
> 1. There is no pro or anti gun utopia! Gun control and gun ownership
> doesn't solve all the problems.
> 
> 2.The more guns there are the more people who get shot.
> 
> 3.Guns should be allowed but not encouraged.
> 
> 4.Guns should be regulated but not banned.
> 
> 5.The courts & newspapers & the ACLU are the forces in the real world
> that keep us free.
> 
> 6. There is nothing in the constitution that allows a pissed-off white
> guy with a gun to shoot up the courthouse if he doesn't like his tax assesment.
> 
> 7. In the real world we need the FBI & the army but shouldn't give them
> a blanl check.
> 
> 8. The NRA should ratchet down the rhetoric level.
> 
> 9.No one should be granted a gun liscense without first demonstrating an
> ability & knowledge to use a gun.
> 
> 10. Nothing is really accomplished by allowing knuckleheads to own guns.
> 
> 
> A numbber of people will take exception to item #10 but why should they?
> Why should competent gunowners make excuses for the lamebrains of the
> world/?
> -- 
> David Tharp bl349@ysu.edu
> 
> "The Lack of money is the root of all evil." George Bernard Shaw




From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:31:38 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Absolute right to self-defense and pacifism
Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:37:28 -0800
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rlevan@clt.mindspring.com (Robert LeVan) in <558sec$f6d@camel4.mindspring.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!emerald.nb.net!news.emi.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!usenet on talk.politics.guns wrote:

> If you aren't interested in philosophical discussion, skip this post.

Oops, too late.

> Throughout the history of this newsgroup,various individuals have
> claimed that there is no absolute right to carry arms, specifically
> handguns.  That belief and its opposite are based on mutually
> exclusive philosophies.  Those philosophies can be summed up as: 
>  1) I have an absolute right to defend myself, my family, and others,
> at any time or place
>                 versus  
> 2) No you don't.
> 
> Philosophy #2 finds its basis in a world view that 'in a civilized
> society' other people should take care of you - the police, the
> military, elected or appointed officials, 'the government', etc.  This
> is often mistakenly called a pacifist view.  It is not pacifist, since
> the philosophy allows the initiation of force by the delegated
> authority.

Exactly, but perhaps 90% of folks who call themselves "pacifist"
are not really pacific, but are for helpless submission to the
ruling authority.  And they have the GALL to call themselves
"progressives!"

OTOH, real liberals and pacifists are pro-gun, as individual 
power commisserates with others' power to make a safe powerful 
community.

> The source of our right of self-defense is Western tradition that
> celebrates the supremacy of the individual over the state.  That right
> is as absolute as the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of
> happiness.  

It's right in the Western sense, it just hasn't been popular
with Afro-Asians of any clime.  Some even claim that being 
allowed to legally purchase a firearm is...   RACIST!!!!



From varange@crl.com Sun Nov 10 12:31:40 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: [periodicals] Gun magazines
Date: 6 Nov 1996 16:01:40 -0800
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cwaugh@ix.netcom.com (Charles Waugh) in <55d9lp$6fl@xring.cs.umd.edu> from nexp.crl.com!emerald.nb.net!news.emi.com!news.snip.net!news.misty.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.abs.net!cs.umd.edu!gun-control on talk.politics.guns wrote:

> I've been reading alot on this newsgroup about "Gun-Rag-BS."  I just
> want to put in my two cents... I like gun magazines!  I am happy to get
> my American Rifleman and my Guns and Ammo in the mail each month.  It
> sure beats GQ and Reader's Digest!  

American Rifleman's good, but don't forget Gun Tests.
No ads in Gun tests and they get all their equipment through 
the ordinary market.

I miss the old Guns and Action, that's the best.  It used to be
called Survive.

SOF is crushingly boring, if it's even considered a gun magazine.
All the magazines with too positive reviews of all the editors 
gets annoying.  I like writers who trash a product if it doesn't 
perform.



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Subject: New type of MMF?
Date: 8 Nov 1996 05:32:55 -0800
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rchason@smart.net.NO.SPAM.PLEASE (Lee Jackson Beauregard) in <559g1c$jh3@news.smart.net> from nexp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!li.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.smart.net!news on news.admin.net-abuse.misc wrote:

> In article , gnb@bby.com.au says...
> >
> >Greetings,
> >I just read your page and thought that you may have an interest in taking
> >advantage of one of the hottest services on the internet.  A business
> >associate of mine keeps the e-mail address's of over 1 million business
> >opportunity seekers and will do BULK e-mail blasts with your ad to as many
> >as you would like.
> 
> Hmmm...get a bulk mailing list, and use it to advertise bulk mailing lists.
> Could this perhaps be construed as an illegal pyramid scheme ?
Fuckhead.



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 13 06:28:54 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: What is 'Holocaust Denial'?
Date: 11 Nov 1996 18:02:21 -0800
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	In any case Jewish power doesn't care one way or the other.

	They just use it for its political/financial benefits.



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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Bigotry Against The British -- English And Irish
Date: 11 Nov 1996 18:16:34 -0800
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Complaints-To: Rich Graves 

November 9, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

The government of Australia announced to the world a few hours ago  that
special interest groups have succeeded in halting David Irving's book tour
- this after its Prime Minister had made a ringing speech about "Freedom of
Speech" on his continent and the "Hanson Speech" caused a wave of
overwhelming approbation showing clearly that Australia belonged to the
will of the people and not to the Shrill Minority.

The following was published in The Advertiser, (11-9-96) headlined "Prime
Minister's edict:  These men unfit for Australia":

". . . (c)ontroversial historian David Irving and Sinn Fein leader Gerry
Adams were both told yesterday they were 'unfit' to visit Australia.

In a surprisingly strong attack, the Prime Minister, Mr Howard, said Mr
Irving was a 'crackpot criminal' and Mr Adams was 'a mouthpiece for
terrorists.'. . .

He also dismissed claims that yesterday's decision to deny the men visas
compromised his bid for a new era of free speech.

Mr Howard's comments angered sections of the Irish community, which pointed
to Mr Adams's free access to the United States, and civil libertarians
accused him of unwarranted censorship.

But the Jewish community expressed relief at the decision to bar Mr Irving
who claims the Holocaust of World War II may be a lie.

. . . Mr Howard said both men were denied visas because they were not of
'good character'. . .  "

We'll let the Irish deal with what was said of Mr. Adams, but David
Irving's "criminal record" stems from the fact that he was convicted in
Germany for "defaming the memory of the dead" after a trial where not a
single witness was allowed and not a single document by the defense was
accepted - and for that reason, and no other, was banned from several
countries, including Canada.

There he ignored the unjust ban and tried to give a speech.  An arrest by
police and later a detention by immigration officials in Niagara Falls
resulted, after which he was railroaded out of Canada, having gone through
a perfunctory Immigration Hearing.  He has also been convicted in the
United Kingdom for contempt of court in connection with his questioning of
the Holocaust.

That is the sum and summary of how David Irving, at one time Europe's
Number One mainstream, most prolific historical writer, up to that point
successful beyond his wildest dreams, became a man "not of good character."
Subtract the Irving Holocaust skepticism, and there would be no speck of
"criminality" on Mr. Irving's name.

In an editorial opinion in the Advertiser, the following was said under the
heading "Wrong for all reasons":

"(A)nyone wanting to read and, indeed, hear the views has only to walk into
a bookshop, buy a newspaper or tune into the appropriate TV or radio
station . . .

So the bans are futile. Another pragmatic objection for those who detest
what these two articulate men represent is that denying them entry only
serves to give them increased public attention. . .

However, this is almost sophistry compared with the real objection to the
(Minister of Immigration)  decision. When what may now be summed up in
shorthand as the Hanson debate erupted, the Prime Minister made much of his
belief in free speech. It was a commendable stand, even though his
Government was simultaneously intervening in the High Court to challenge
the ruling on a constitutional implied right of free speech.

This decision makes a mockery of that standpoint. . . to go from there to
denial of entry is a symbolic capitulation, symbolic because, as we said,
their views are going to be well and truly broadcast anyway.

It does not take Australian governments long to acquire what has been
defined as the 'white car syndrome', the attitude that we know best. The
people are not to be trusted, must be protected from themselves. . . . the
Government has been silly in treating us as children."

Wish it were so.  Wish it were only silly.  In fact, it acted as a hireling
at the behest of that noisy minority of Zionists who hate Irving's bold
message.  It  has now advertised itself as such.

Here is the official response from the Adelaide Institute, a foremost
Revisionist outpost in Australia, in a Letter to the Editor:

"In regard to the Adam/Irving banning, the leader of South Australia's
Jewry, Mr Norman Schueler ( Schueler is German for student), said: it was
'good to see the Australian principle of fair play being upheld'.

This statement doesn't make sense and either The Advertiser made a printing
error here or Mr Schueler should go back to school in order to learn what
freedom of speech really means.

The two words 'fair play' should have read 'foul play' because that is
exactly what the Federal Government has done by dancing to the tune of
organised Jewry and treating a mature and intelligent Australian people
like a bunch of idiots that cannot think for themselves. Brave new world,
here we come.

Further, those who claim that David Irving's books and videos are freely
available in book shops Australia-wide are either ignorant or lying. Book
stores in Adelaide have told me that they do not stock David Irving's books
- and they will not tell you where you can get them. They do not even tell
you that Veritas, Irving's Australian publisher, is based at Cranbrook,
W.A.

Not so with the Gerry Adams book which is freely available in all Adelaide
book shops. So, too, are Salman Rushdie's books, and of course the
pseudo-historical book Hitler's Willing Executioners, by German-hater,
Daniel Goldhagen, is enthusiastically pushed on to the Australian book
market.

One thing is clear: This Federal Government does not represent mainstream
Australia anymore. The Graeme Campbell and Pauline Hanson phenomenon has
shown that quite clearly. I hope that soon we shall have in the Senate an
Australia First Party as is the case in New Zealand where the New Zealand
First Party holds the balance of power. This would force the established
parties to put the people's interest first rather than dance to the tune of
the international corporations and the Wall Street money cabal!"

That is precisely what has happened here.  Australia - like a bear with a
ring through its nose.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Veritas odium parit:  Truth purchaseth hatred."

(Thomas Wilson in "Discourse Upon Usury")



________
________
________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/

	[Note that Australia has friendlier relations with Asia than
	Europe, connoting racial bias.]



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rcgraves@ix.netcom.com (Rich Graves) in <55rva0$55f@Networking.Stanford.EDU> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!uwm.edu!news.he.net!newshub.internex.net!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail on alt.revisionism wrote:

>                                                 Michael Phoenix doesn't
> help just anyone put together web sites, and not just anyone uses *The
> Spotlight* as a primary source of information on the Bildergerbers.  

The Bilderburgers are right up your internationalist alley, as an
apologist for global capital.

They are scum sililar to the Council of Foreign Relations.



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 13 06:28:56 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: "We ARE the W-O-R-LD, we ARE the world,"
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November 12, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

When I sent the Louis Beam essay below to Ernst to make sure it was okay to
ship it as a ZGram, his comment was:  "I am glad that he is moving away
>from  the fringe."  I think that Louis Beam is moving closer to the core of
what it is that we are _really_ facing - and it is _not_ a struggle between
peaceful, self-sufficient races, unless we let ourselves be so provoked and
goaded into it.

The essay is entitled:  Let's Be Honest.

"Let's be honest: I don't know many Blacks. But the ones I do know, I like.
Good people who work hard and love their families and their fellow man.
Different from me, but then, I am different from them. This does not stop
us from respecting each other - in fact, our differences increase our
respect for each other, for though we are very different, we care for many
of the same things. I see them as just nice people.

It's the people I don't know, don't want to know, and would never get near
that I don't like. I absolutely despise - and yes, let's be honest - I hate
them. They stink, they are without morals, character, or honesty. Evil to
the core, they take advantage of others and live by ripping off their
fellow man - without scruples, conniving, heartless, and cold-blooded,
murdering manipulators who seek to destroy their fellow man.

One other thing: I am talking about Whites here. I am talking about White
politicians, multi-national financiers, political hacks, news media
prostitutes, leaders of the military-industrial complex and the police
state enforcers who gladly kick in the doors of innocent people they wish
to destroy, without regard to race, creed or color.

Let's be honest: You thought I meant Blacks. Why?

I will tell you why!  Because you are a bigot! You're totally intolerant of
me, my religion, and my quest for truth in this life. You are so dammed
prejudiced that you could not read to the end of the paragraph to draw your
conclusion. You assumed that people I don't like are naturally Black. Your
intolerance for those assumed to hold different value systems than yours is
so great, so mentally debilitating, so handicapping to your thought process
that you convicted me without trial, jury, or reading one damned complete
paragraph.

One other thing - you have been manipulated by the above White opinion
molders. You are a victim just as surely as the woman who is dragged off
the street and abused by her kidnappers. Your mind has been raped by vulgar
men who want to control you. They have impregnated you with lies, deceit,
and false information. You carry the seeds of your own self-destruction
within your mind. And most of those who spawned this mental child of hell
which interferes with your thinking . . . are White!

Be honest. How many of your opinions were formed by Blacks? Think about it.
None, or almost none. It's the bad people I describe above who control you.
They control your nation, your bank account, your employment, your personal
safety, and your mind.

Now the good news, I forgive you. I forgive you - if - you will start
thinking for yourself. We can even be friends . . .

Let's be honest: I was once like you. I was intolerant of those different
than myself. It interfered with my judgment, my reasoning, and my ability
to address the real issues faced by mankind. White mankind. Black mankind.
All mankind. I had the strength, ability, desire, and courage to free
myself from the chains of mental servitude. Do you?

Let's be honest: There are some evil bastards out there. They rob, steal,
cheat, murder, and destroy the lives of good people.  They care nothing for
you or your cherished beliefs.  They simply pass through this world sowing
the seeds of evil. They are every bit as heartless as Joseph Stalin who had
meat grinders installed in Leboliv prison so his helpless prisoners could
be ground up like so much hamburger and sluiced into the sewers of Moscow.

Lets's be honest: These are the people with whom you had better be
concerned. We both have much more to fear from corrupt government and
"friends of corrupt government" than we do from each other. Aspiring
tyrants will ruin your day, your month, and your life. Continue to serve
them and they will destroy you and me.

Let's be honest: The reason I'm writing this essay is that my personal
safety depends on you starting to think for yourself - just as yours
depends upon me doing the same. Your failure to break out of the mental
mold in which you have been placed is a matter of personal interest to me.
If you begin to think for yourself, my family and I will be safer. For each
liberated mind that begins to examine all the evidence, to consider all the
possibilities, and to fight for justice for all men, is a break in the
chains which bind all of us.

Mankind needs you. Your people, your nation, your decent fellow men of all
nations, races, creeds, need you. You are valuable. You are important.

Let's be honest: Before you began to read this essay you thought you were
open-minded. Now you know that you really were not. But if you will grab
ahold of honesty and hold it like a precious child in your arms, if you
will do that - by the time you finish this essay you will be open minded.
You will begin to think for yourself. And you will have began the process
of freeing yourself from those who have controlled you all these many
years. All that stops you from this point on is your mental supremacist
attitude. You think you are smarter then I. You think you're smarter than
the guy next door - and smarter than almost everyone else you have met,
read about, and talked to.

Your intolerance has prevented you from considering the consequences of
ideas. You see, IDEAS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. And the idea I offer you is that
you can make this world a better place in which to live just by being
open-minded and thinking for yourself, rather then allowing your opinions
to be molded by those who hate me, you and most other men, no matter their
race or station in life. Men who are just evil and care nothing for others.


I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, which is more than you've given
me. I am assuming that you are a decent person, honest, and care about
people. I am further assuming that you want to improve not just your own
lot in this life, but if you had the power to do so, you would improve the
lot of others.   I assume that you hold no hidden desires to control,
manipulate, or harm other people. If this is so, if I am right about you,
then we can work together. We - you and I - can both join together to
oppose evil wherever we find it. We can work together for the improvement
of life on this earth. This is no small reason for cooperating with each
other.

Let's be honest: If you are a good hearted person (and I am assuming that
you are just that) I don't care if you are red, white, black, yellow or
brown. We can be allies.  We can combine efforts for the common good. It
matters not to me if you have been pre-conditioned to think of yourself as
a liberal, a conservative, a left-winger or a right-winger. Because as soon
as you start thinking for yourself, you will conclude, as I have, that
these are nothing but terms used by evil men to divide good men. Good men
who are idealistically motivated and burning with a desire to make this
world a better place in which to live. Our common foe works to divide and
conquer good men. That is their object.  Labeling is their method.

Let's be honest: You are concerned about the poisoning of the environment,
corruption in government, corporations without hearts, the
military-industrial complex, the rights of the individual versus the state,
drugs, war, the CIA, hungry people and racism. These are all my concerns.
This is my list, not yours. You just happen to be concerned about the same
things that I am.

Let's be honest: I know that you are concerned about White racism, while it
is Jewish and Black racism which concern me. But that's just a matter of
perspective. Your concern for intolerance is limited to whites. Mine is not
limited. You care for the victims of White racism; I care for non-White
Palestinians who are murdered in the streets of the West Bank, in
Palestine. My concern is not limited to one race. Yours probably is. But
that should not divide us asunder. It is just a matter of perspective. We
both oppose those who would harm racial others without just cause, and we
both define this as racism. Come on now, don't be a knee-jerk left-winger,
or a reactionary right-winger. Stop and think for yourself a moment.

It is evil that we oppose.

We agree on that. So why must we be divided?  Indeed, why? Because in the
past, we have allowed those evil ones described in paragraph two of this
essay to label, divide, and conquer us.  Split us first in two, then three,
then four, and so on. They've split us so that none of us with good
intentions has any power to do anything worthwhile, meaningful or
effective.

To hell with the labels. Throw them away!

Let's be honest: This self righteous attitude you have that you are more
concerned about the environment than I am is blatant prejudice. I was
raised in the country, with tall pine trees, fresh air, and the smell of
freshly turned dirt as the plow made furrows. I love it! I have four
children that have the right to fresh air, and food non-chemically
poisoned. And you? You most likely live in the city where you have not had
a breath of fresh air caress your lungs in years. And because you probably
have been taught self-hatred you have no children to love, nourish or care
for. Thus your concern for the environment is idealistic, while mine is
real as well as idealistic. You want to save the trees; I want to save the
children so they can climb the trees.

We can work together.

Let's be honest: Your concern about corruption in government, rip-off
corporations and greedy men who rob the helpless and wage war on the
helpless is no greater than mine. Don't even think it! I have fought the
corruption and criminal behavior of goons in government for 28 years. I've
gone to jail for sedition against the criminal bastards in government, and
had my wife beaten by their hands. I fought a senseless, no-win war where I
watched young men die - and die for no good reason. I watched as thousands
of other soldiers came home from war and as the result of heartless
corporations who produce chemicals to kill, die from Dioxin poisoning,
otherwise know as Agent Orange. My feet are numb, I am losing all feeling
in my fingers, and my central nervous system is slowly collapsing from the
Dioxin which is stored in my liver. Your concern about these things are
idealistic and admirable. Mine is life-threatening and based on experience.


Let's be honest: It is time we put aside the labels that divide men of good
intentions and work together for the common good. Why can we not oppose
injustice wherever we find it - together? It is time for you, as it is for
me, to do some heart-wrenching soul-searching and start freeing yourself
>from  those who hate all mankind, and lust only after money, power and
control with their secret and malevolent schemes.

My failure, your failure, has been a failure to oppose evil together.

Louis Beam October, 1996
http://www.yosemite.net/beam/index.htm



Thought for the Day:

"What is it we heartily wish of each other?  Is it to be pleased and
flattered?  No, but to be convicted and exposed, to be shamed out of our
nonsense of all kinds - and made men of, instead of ghosts and phantoms."

(Ralph Waldo Emerson)


(Editorial note:  When we supply URLs for websites, we do so without
endorsing or opposing content.  Free men and women should be allowed to
read and to evaluate ideas on their merits.)


________
________
________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/

--
[Your ideology not personally inflenced by Black Folks?
That's a deprivation I've never had to face.]

[Everybody is basically good, it's what they are not that matters.]

[We know WHY, we just don't know HOW.]


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 13 07:24:09 PST 1996
Article: 108837 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Subject: Friendly Fascism Part 6
Date: 11 Nov 1996 11:10:10 -0800
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alex@directnet.com (Alex Constantine) writing  892 bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.177.0.2!host24.net1.directnet.com!user on alt.conspiracy said:

> >   Ultraconservatives place much emphasis on character, but it's scarce
> among their own ranks. . .  A
> >   glaring example is Willis A. Carto, publisher of
> >   Spotlight,  a populist newspaper that backed Patrick
> >   Buchanon for president and has attempted, since its
> >   inception, to emasculate the United Nations.
> 
>   Sounds good to me!
>   Subscribe to The Spolight: (900) XXX-XXXX, the most interesting
                                ^^^
> Nazi publication in America, IMO

	Sure.

	But why bother?

	Irving Crystal has already snuck into the media, and who
	could be more Neo-Nazi than Crystal?



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 13 07:24:11 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The religion of consumerism
Date: 11 Nov 1996 13:46:14 -0800
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moo@midtown.net (Bryan Cowan) writing 4107 bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!ulysses.midtown.net!sl32.midtown.net!user on alt.conspiracy said:

> Historian Richard Shenkman did a fascinating study on the decline of the
> work ethic and the rise of the consumer ethic several years ago in his
> book _I Love Paul Revere, Whether He Rode Or Not_. Shenkman's conclusion
> is that the work ethic was done in by industrialism, which erased the
> nobility of work and the idea that one was working to better oneself or
> one's future. 

	A strong nation can restore dignity to work.

>               By the 1920s the work ethic had been replaced by the
> consumer ethic (the religion of consumerism) which really hasn't changed
> all that much in the past 70 years. 

	It's getting worse.

>                                     Given that America's history
> reinforces the virtues of frugality and sacrifice, Shenkman found it
> astonishing that so many adapted the consumer ethic so fast. And remember
> that our first epidemic of consumerism resulted in the Great Depression. 

	The Great Depression was introduced by careless economists,
	more interested in making a fast buck in the market than 
	helping the country produce and distribute goods.



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 13 07:24:12 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: White rule is ending
Date: 11 Nov 1996 11:47:25 -0800
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"bekio"  writing49287 bytes in <01bbceba$bbfd5000$660604d0@Testpc03.delcoelect.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!206.230.41.223!208.4.6.103 on alt.conspiracy said:

> Now that the election is over
> there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

	Nationally, it was just a choice between Harry Browne and
	Ralph Nader.  
	 
	There were a bunch of parties and candidates, but there were 
	no nationalist candidates at all.
	
	In that environment, third parties are always better, just
	to stir things up.



From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 13 07:24:12 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: ACLU A Front For International Capital?
Date: 11 Nov 1996 11:16:10 -0800
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> What better place to hide and keep track of your enemies?
> 
> Makes perfect sense to me.
> 
> >> The ACLU is largely funded by the Roger Baldwin Foundation. The Roger
> >> Baldwin Foundation is reportedly funded by the CIA. How much of the
> >> ACLU's agenda is driven by the CIA?
> 
> >There is no doubt in my mind that a left-wing organization is
> >a front for a right-wing spy group.
	
	What's leftist about the ACLU?  It's an organization
	rife with apologies for capitalism.

> > I'm a pessimistic optimist: I look for the 
> > silver lining in every cloud but I know it's
> > going to turn out to be lead.
> 
> In the end people get the government they deserve.
	
	A government that won't fight for its people, is a
	government not worth fighting for.



From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 14 09:32:18 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Date: 7 Nov 1996 21:04:29 -0800
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cmort@nwohio.com (Christopher Morton) in <32aa353e.325669953@snews.zippo.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.PBI.net!super.zippo.com!zdc!szdc!news on talk.politics.guns wrote:

> Aryan@mainelink.net says that the Nazi gun control law was good
> BECAUSE it disarmed Jews and NOT Nazis.

Germany disarmed neither, but specifically encouraged Germans to
own and shoot guns.

Jews were simply banned from selling guns in 1938, but not from buying
and owning guns.

There's hardly any reports of Jews shooting Germans while they were
being deported because Jews are wimps.  They prefer the cruel
battlefield of the Board room.

> Few gun control advocates oppose his violent anti-semitism  Does this
> mean that most of them agree with him?  Or is it that most readers
> simply ignore him?

No, all gunowners are antisemitic because gun control is primarily
a Jewish issue.  The Jewish lobby opposes guns because they want
Americans and others to feel weak and helpless in the face of terror.

They do this inspite of substantial Jewish control of the distribution
of firearms.

JFPFO (sp) is a Jewish lobby, no more.  They want to convince gunowners
that gun control is an antisemitic conspiracy.  They almost entirely
restrict their propaganda to Gentiles rather than proselytize to
members of Jewish groups, the source of the gun control lobby, so 
prooving the underhandedness of the JFPFO.

> >>"Being raped is not enough to justify killing someone." - I Johnston (ianj@tatto.ed.ac.uk)
> >
> >         Does *anyone* regard this as rational?

The Jewish Power movement.

> Apparently only the Brits who endorse it.  

No true Brit of any stripe would believe something so anti-British.
The stockbroker mentality is anti-British.

>                                            Don't tell me, you endorse
> it too, but only for Black or Jewish women, right?

As long as they live on our shores, strict rape laws should be enforced
for everyone inspite of colored opposition to rape laws.

> >         Hell, I've jailed more "american" nazis (under the
> >       federal firearms and explosives laws) than this poor
> >       creature has seen, outside his imagination.

Liar.  I bet you feel up rape victims when they make their report.



From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 14 09:38:55 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: GUN CONTROLLERS MUST BE BANNED FROM MAM!!!
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        AHABIZ and Mark Pickvagage must be banned because
	they support gun control and outlawing militias.



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Matt Foster  writing [ 1825] bytes in <847737227$7586@atype.com> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request on misc.activism.militia said:

> I am a graduate student in criminology considering a survey of the
> United States militia movement's membership concerning their opinions
> on law enforcement and the rest of the justice system.
> 
> I have no hidden agendas, nor do I seek to prove militias
> and "patriots" are good or evil.  My goal is simply to learn more
> about the relationship between the movement and the various
> levels of law enforcement, the courts, and corrections.  The resultant
> report will be presented as objectively as possible.

	Then why did you quote "patriots?"

> This proposed project is in its early stages.  I would appreciate any
> suggestions any of you may have with regard to its direction and
> construction.  Please feel free to email me at clutch@onramp.net
> anytime.  For those concerned about disclosing the names of themselves
> or others, please understand that this research is bound by rules of
> absolute source confidentiality--rules I vigorously support.
	
	Better, why don't you study the criminology of the
	anti-patriot "movement?"

	Their criminal record now and decades past is quite
	extensive.


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 14 09:38:57 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Arlin AHABIZ -- Silly National Alliance Member
Date: 12 Nov 1996 16:30:42 -0800
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	Hey Arlin!  Give it a break!  Like I said at the last unit
	meeting, your being too obvious in your attempt to make
	anti-racists look stupid!  You know, they really don't need
	any help in looking ignorant!

> hey, little troynazi, you were so pissed off you forgot to change your
> message header to the fake one you use when you post to the newsgroup:
> In article <49363@misc.activism.militia>, varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
> writes:
> 
> ROFLMAO!  I can't tell you how humorous I find it when you netnazis do
> that sort of thing... kiddienazi you blew it completely - you see all the
> regular militia members know that I'm an NRA Life Member, and a Certified
> Firearms Instructor, who got involved in the militia movement out of the
> gun rights movement - still one of my primary concerns and the main issue
> I consider when supporting a political candidate.

	Anyone here stupid enough to believe that?

	Obviously, he's a Neo-Nazi out to make anti-Nazis look
	stupid.

> Oh and we also know that your notional appliance does in fact plan, should

	I've never claimed to be a National Alliance member and 
	don't care if people think I am.  (Actually, it's a
	compliment.)

> they ever actually sieze any territory to disarm, and then kill, anyone
> who disagrees with them...weird willie pierce made that very clear both in
> _turner diaries_   and _hunter_  LOL!  little netnazi, you've got to stop
> trying to improvise, you just aren't smart enough....

	In Hunter?  Ha!  You are counting on the fact that most here
	haven't read it?

	In any case, the Turner Diaries is valued as a book
	emphasizing the value of race; it doesn't contain
	prescriptions that have to be followed, little boy.


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 14 09:38:58 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: All Must Know The Terror That's Upon Us
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Philip Kasiecki  writing [ 6665] bytes in <847672402$4269@atype.com> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!tandem!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request on misc.activism.militia said:

>     For starters, what's wrong with "race-mixing"?  If you had a clue,
> you'd also know that it's nothing new under the sun; it's happened for
> ages.  There is nothing wrong with interracial relationships.
	
	Yet you deny that race even exists.  Without race, there can
	be no interracial love, nor can racism exist.

>     Next, what's with the statement about homosexuality?  There's
> nothing wrong with it.  

	By itself it hurts nobody.  But it is a weakness, though
	there are some who inherit a tendency, it's mainly caused by
	"culture,"  whether from sexual repression, or an inability
	to gratify ones self sexually.  In either case, an
	undesirable trait, like having a whithered hand.

	It's their politics and attempts to spread their mechanical 
	acts to others, is where the offense comes.

>                       Homosexuality is not a choice.  
	
	It's genetic?  Then it can breed itself out.  Why hasn't it?
	Do "Homosexuals" have precisely the same birth rate as
	straights for thousands of years?  If they bore less
	children, over thousands or hundreds of thousands of years,
	they would be extinct by now.

	Sociology suggests it is psychological, whether there is an
	inherited tendency doesn't make it inborn.

>                                                       I don't know about
> anyone else, but I was born attracted to women; I didn't choose to be
> attracted to them.  Besides, if it was a choice, who would choose to be
> homosexual in this country, given the shit that homosexuals have to put
> up with everyday?
	
	Your psychiatric understanding is lacking.  There are a
	great deal of things people will do simply out of urgings to
	"rebel."

>     What's so off-base about that?  Whites have oppressed Blacks in this
> country, and still do.  As for giving Whites some "guilt complex", it
> hasn't worked, because the racists don't care and see the world as
> happening in a vacuum, while the more intelligent ones know that trying
> to impose feelings of guilt on them for what Whites did years ago is
> simply displacement, and is wrong.
	
	Why are you blaming whites for what Jews do?

	Jews have oppressed Blacks in this country, and still do.
	They also oppress whites.

> : Sodomy is no longer a sin in America.
> 
>     Last I checked, it hasn't been decriminalized, so it still is.
	
	Depends on the state you live in.
	
	Until fairly recently, California had a very strict sodomy
	law, with up to 20 years in prison.  Just a handful were
	ever charged with it in the last thirty years, one
	recieving a suspended sentence in the seventies.

	Phil do you read?  He was obviously talking about sins in
	the social sense.  Abortion is strictly illegal in almost
	every state, yet noone is charged under it.

> : Cop-killing is no longer a sin in America - it is celebrated in rap
> : "music."
> 
>     Bullshit.  Rap music does not celebrate or even promote violence of
> any sort- it is a reflection of what's out there.  In more recent times,
> rap has taken a definite turn for the worse, but it wasn't too bad a few
> years ago.
	
	Are you trying to say NWA's Fuck The Police wasn't violent?
	That was in 1991 or 1992!

	Well, why don't you just say white power music doesn't
	celebrate or promote violence?

> : The degradation of beautiful young girls in disgusting pornography is
> : no longer a sin in America.
> 
>     Sad, but true.  This is symbolic of a deeper problem as well, IMO.
> 
> : But anti-semitism is the ultimate sin in America.  But as things get
> : worse and worse, we are losing our fear of this silly word.  We all
> : know who it is that controls the wealth of our nation through their
> : exchanges and counting-houses in New York.  We all know who it is that 
> : has deformed the minds of two generations of Americans with their
> : television programs.
> 
>     So now you're gonna blame the entertainment world for what's wrong
> today?  Gimme a break.
>     The problem with entertainment rubbing off on kids is not the
> entertainment itself.  I've watched violent television and movies, as
> well as TV and movies with a lot of sexual content- yet the only thing
> that's come of it has been desensitizing me when I see a tv show or
> movie with a topless or nude woman; when I see that, I keep a straight
> face, no notable change like before, when I'd jump out of my seat. 
> That's not necessarily a bad thing; all it's affected have been my
> reactions, because now I'm not surprised when I see such a thing.
>     Parents have to teach their kids about what's in the media.  It is

	Definitly!  Children shouldn't be isolated, but should be
	educated with the intellectual alternatives along with the
	mainstream, so they will grow up with a diversity of
	viewpoints.  That way, when they learn by experience what
	the real world is like, it won't necessarily be a shock.

> up to them to make sure their kids don't get brainwashed.  This is the
> same position I held when the issue of video games making kids violent
> came up in the Senatea few years ago, and I vehemently opposed mandating
> an industry-wide rating system.  I have no problem with the existence of
> one, but I did have a problem with the Senate mandating it, mainly
> because their view on this was misguided, IMO.
>     Don't go blaming what's on the tube for what one does.  When I fuck
> up, it's not because of something I watched on TV or in the theater. 
> There may be some factors that contributed to it, but the media isn't
> one of them.  What my parents may or may not have taught me about the
> media may well be, though.
	
	The media monopoly is one of the most powerful institutions
	in the world, they have definate socio-political attitudes
	as reflected by the owners of the press.



From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 14 09:38:59 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: First Ban The NA, Then Ban The Militias
Date: 12 Nov 1996 16:36:13 -0800
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> > AHABIZ and Mark Pitcavage are true scum who hate
> > everything we stand for.
> > 
> > OTOH, The National Alliance supports militias and
> > opposes gun control.
> > 
> > The NA are our friends, who stick up for us against
> > the scum who want to suppress the militias.
	
	If the Feds close down the National Alliance, it will be a
	short time before they go after the Militias.

	Anyone here wish to deny that?

	Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 14 09:39:00 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: M.A.M. And The Boogie Monster
Date: 12 Nov 1996 15:21:38 -0800
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Brian Smith  writing [ 2941] bytes in <847696683$5324@atype.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request on misc.activism.militia said:

> What a disgraceful admission of defeat it is to see the M.A.M. people
> resorting to censorship.  They "justify" their censorship on several
> specious grounds.  
> 
> They say we are here to "disrupt" the newsgroup.  As if White
> loyalists can "force" someone else to read a post from them.  As if
> White loyalists can prevent others from posting whatever they wish to
> post.   As if there isn't enough bandwidth for their own posts.    
> 
> Then they claim we are "off topic."  
	
	 Yet, misc.activism.militia has been plagued by anti-militia
	 types and just plain gun control types for years without
	 any effort to ban.

	 Just how is Mark Pitcavage or worse, AHABIZ relevent to
	 this in any sense?  Mark belongs on talk.politics.guns
	 where he posts some anti-militia crap like he does here.
	 AHABIZ is only relevent to alt.flame, or alt.peeves.

	 I'm in favor of closer sticking to netnews namespace 
	 space, as close as matches a newgroup with good 
	 propagation.

	 Mark Pitcavage belongs on talk.politics.guns, alt.paranoia
	 and alt.flame.

	 AHABIZ and McVay belong there to, but closer to alt.flame.

	 Posts concerning Jews and not militias belong in
	 soc.culture.jewish.

	 Whites read every newsgroup in considerable quantities,
	 so say, anti-Asian posts or anti-Black posts belong on
	 soc.culture.asian.american and soc.culture.african.american
	 respectively.

	 Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 14 09:39:00 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: Mike or Mark Chapman?
Date: 12 Nov 1996 15:28:25 -0800
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Mike Chapman  writing [ 2394] bytes in <847504089$25765@atype.com> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!tandem!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request on misc.activism.militia said:

> >But by the time the anti-Communist movement really got going 
> >in the 1950's, it was already too late.  The conspirators which had been 
> >called but who are usually no longer called Communists had already entrenched 
> >themselves solidly in the government and the establishment.
> 
> Hey wow, Kenny actually made sense for once.  Why are you posting his
> articles MickKinney?  When are you National Socialists going to
> realize that Socialism >IS< that entrenched Marxist evil?  That
> Libertarianism is going wipe out ALL you Marxist types, unless yer
> happy with little inbred communist compounds.
	
	This sure isn't the Chapman who's posted a lot of great
	articles a few months ago, but someone making fun of him.

	I thought his name was Mark Chapman?

	Cheers!


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Schindler's List Atrocities
Date: 15 Nov 1996 10:20:09 -0800
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> zundel and his organization are propaganda specialists. Anti-Semites,
> pro-Nazi, anti-American and anti-Canadian, pro-German, pro-Hitler, 
> pro-Holocaust (meaning they deny it happened, but wish it had) but our 
> boy, Troy, is sucked in, so that's his problem. He's entitled, but for 
> me , I draw the line when people like Varange promote denier baloney, 
> because I'm entitled also.
	
	Fun loving Zundel calls for censoring Shindler's List, what a
	guy!  He's reaching out his tender hand to all the
	oppressed!

	Shindler's List should at least be illegal in Germany and
	Israel for defaming the dead.  Ruling class member Steven
	Spielberg promotes the Neo-Nazi ideas that Jews are wimps,
	simple mindless idiots who no one should ever bother with.


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Subject: Forgotten War Atrocities
Date: 15 Nov 1996 10:07:56 -0800
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> Troy Varange wrote not one word of this post, It's all natsie 
> propaganda from zundel, and has been refuted many times. 

	You think the Germans weren't deported from Eastern Europe,
	suffering atrocities along the way?

	Maybe you took part in it?

	Did you help transport the millions of Soviet political
	refugees back to the USSR Gulag, very much against their
	will?


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> The danger of this new denier approach is that few people have
> the technical background to analyze the papers and understand
> their fundamental flaws. Too many people glance at the
> arguments, see "science," and immediately their eyes glaze over.
> They figure that since it's "scientific," there must be
> something to it. Thus Holocaust denial gains scientific
> credibility.
> 
> Unfortunately, there's a difference between denier "science" and
> true science. The fundamental principle of true science is this:
> any theory must take into account any relevant observable
> facts.  That is, the theory must fit the facts; a true scientist
> never denies facts simply because they don't fit the theory. The
> way an honest scientist works is to make observations first, and
> only then come up with a theory which explains what is seen. If
> at any time the facts contradict the theory, the theory is
> discarded as false. A new one must be formed.

	Gee, why doesn't the "science" of economics, politics and
	sociology follow the scientific theory?

	Why is the state paying the university to promote hokum in
	the guise of "science?"

	The professors and administrators should be fired and sued.
	"Tenure" my ass!

> The Holocaust deniers reverse this process. First they decide
> what they want the "facts" to be, contrary to all eyewitness
> testimony and documentary and physical evidence. They come up
> with theories to "prove" that the "true" facts must be the way
> they want them to be. Therefore all documents are forgeries or
> mean something other than what they clearly seem to mean, and
> eyewitnesses to events which contradict their theory must be
> lying, mistaken, crazy, or victims of some form of coercion
> which caused them to give false testimony.

	No one said all the primary documents are forgeries.
	Some wealthy researcher who simply copies someone elses
	forgery is not a forger himself.

> There are other ways in which honest science can be
> distinguished from quackery. Real scientists are cautious. They
> look at possible alternative explanations. They look for
> possible sources of error. They explain any limitations or
> problems they know about. They shy away from making assumptions,
> and if they do have to make them, they explain and justify them
> openly. All conclusions are based on facts plus properly
> established theories, not speculation and unproven assumptions.
> 
> When one examines denier "science," one finds that every one of
> these rules are violated. Fred Leuchter simply assumed that it
> would have taken just as much cyanide to kill people as it took
> to kill lice. That's false; lice take much more cyanide to kill
> and they need to be exposed to it for a lot longer. He also
> seems to have assumed that gassings took place much more often
> than they really did, apparently taking the abnormal conditions
> at the peak of the Hungarian deportations as being typical of
> the entire time at Birkenau.
> 
> Leuchter also assumed that since the delousing chambers have
> blue stains (from a cyanide salt called prussian blue), the gas
> chambers would have had the same staining.  Again false; the
> cyanide has to sit undisturbed for a fairly long time to form
> prussian blue. That happened with the delousing chambers due to
> the greater amount of cyanide and resistance of the lice, which
> must be exposed for several hours at least. In the homicidal gas
> chambers, a smaller concentration of cyanide was used for only
> one half hour or less before the ventilation fans were turned
> on.
> 
> Friedrich Berg argued that it is very difficult to make diesel
> engines generate enough carbon monoxide to kill within half an
> hour or so, as reported by the witnesses at Treblinka. Actually,
> he is right - the primary cause of death was probably
> asphyxiation (i.e., simple lack of oxygen).  However, Berg
> violated all the rules. First, he failed to deal with explicit
> eyewitness testimony that the victims suffocated to death.
> Second, he didn't look very closely at other ways in which
> diesel exhaust could kill people under the circumstances
> reported at Treblinka. He completely glossed over the question
> of whether the combined effects of low oxygen, high carbon
> dioxide, moderate carbon monoxide, high levels of oxides of
> nitrogen, and overcrowding in a very small chamber can kill even
> though perhaps each individual effect could not.
> 
> There's a story, perhaps apocryphal, that someone using
> aerodynamic theory once "proved" that bumblebees cannot fly.
> However, the bumblebees, unimpressed by this triumph of science,
> refused to walk from flower to flower and continued flying just
> as before.

	I like the one about the deer bot-fly breaking the sound
	barrier.

> The Holocaust deniers' "scientists" are in the same position:
> they attempt to prove that facts are not facts. In the most real
> sense, the "science" employed in the service of Holocaust denial
> is, in truth, the denial of every principle of the scientific
> method - indeed, the denial of science itself.

	Thank you for your essay.  It is worth reading for it's
	hatefulness.


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Gord McFee  writing [ 3982] bytes in <56b7de$hos$2@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!tandem!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net!not-for-mail on alt.revisionism said:

> :>      I see you are using the old tactic of avoiding dealing with any
> :>points that have been made by talking about personalities.
> 
> Excuse me, Mr. Whitaker.  I would suggest you train your eyes upward and note
> that I did in fact deal with Mr. Matthews' point which was that he thought Mr.
> McVay had accused Mr. Giwer and Mr. Stele of being the same person.  I pointed
> out that it had been I who made that accusation.  I also pointed out that in
> respect of Mr. Smith and Mr. Stele being the same person, Rich Graves had
> posted a Usenet article in which Smith wrote as Stele, but signed his own name
> to the article.  If this is too difficult for you to follow, may I suggest
> that you stick to posts addressed to you and not stick your nose into posts
> not addressed to you.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Gord McFee
> I'll write no line before its time
> 

-rich


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 16 06:59:57 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Jews Blaming The Holocaust On David Irving
Date: 15 Nov 1996 11:16:56 -0800
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Annie Alpert   writing [ 2074] bytes in <32888E65.5A24@ccnis.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!nntp-hub.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!206.20.179.42 on alt.revisionism said:

> Kay, While the phrase 'anti-Semitism' is interpreted differently by
> different people, I believe David Irving has met the minimum definition
> of that phrase by his escalating obsession and dislike for the
> collective group "Jews".  Of course, he, himself, disputes this.  I
> don't find that surprising since I've never heard a definition of
> 'anti-Semite" that included the person constructing the definition. 
	
	#1)  Antisemitism can be defined as intentionally feeling 
	desires that potentionally may reduce the power of the Jewish 
	collective leadership;

	#2)  and when unintentional, failing to make amends for it.

	It has not yet been proven that Irving is an antisemite;
	after all, he could be an agent of Jewish businessmen.

	On the other hand, he does claim that he is not an antisemite, 
	a fairly accurate symptom of antisemitism.

> I've heard Mr. Irving speak and read his writings and one theme is
> constant--Jews.  He jokes about them, calls them "The Traditional
> Enemy," and blames them for many of his personal troubles.  

	Well, what he should do is treat Jews in the same manner
	they treat him, but that would be very nazi of him.

> Normally, I say--Fine.  Go for it, David.  You are entitled to feel
> however you like.  But when a writer sets himself up as the arbiter of
> truth and makes unfounded accusations under the guise of "history," I
> get my hackles up. He is a self-appointed historian.  
	
	I sure hope he's a self-appointed historian.  I mean, no one
	wants to be forced to be a historian against their will.


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: We're Strong In Mind
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November 14, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

When I shipped the Louis Beam article two days ago - a rather wrenching
article that urged all the races to unite to neutralize the common foe, I
expected a few ZGram reader cancellations.

Not one!

So much for our so-called "racist hate mongering", as our opposition never
fails to shriek at every opportunity!

Our own race, however, never ceases being under attack - and we?  We keep
on taking it!  One wonders why - and Kevin Strom, a popular radio talk show
host who recently was kicked off a highly popular radio show called
"Dissident Voices" that played on KXEL in Waterloo, Iowa,  gives us at
least a partial answer:

"There has never been a government on planet Earth that could receive
unqualified endorsement from me, or probably from any reasonable man.

But learning from history is important, and it is interesting to study
various regimes from as objective an outlook as possible. This becomes very
difficult when a government or its leader or its people have become
demonized or turned into a metaphor for "evil."

This demonization process is currently being used against Iraq, but in
recent years it has also been used against Iran, Libya, and the
Palestinians, among others.

How can you discuss Iraq objectively when speaking to a group of morons
wearing "I'd walk a mile to smoke a camel (picture of Arab on camel in
gunsight)" T-shirts? Such individuals, many of whom probably could not
locate Iraq on a map and were not even aware of that nation's existence
prior to 1991, have allowed themselves to be whipped into a frenzy of
hatred by mass media propaganda, which comes these days mainly from the
appropriately-named "boob tube."

Another heavily-demonized regime is the Old America, which I would define
roughly as pre-1965 America, or Euro-America. (Exempt from demonization, of
course, are New World Order change-agents like the Marxist profligate
"Martin Luther" King and the unspeakable Franklin Roosevelt, who were doing
their best to destroy the Old America and everything it stood for. They are
not demonized, but are regarded as heroes if not saints!)  Hardly a day
goes by that the Red networks or the liepapers don't torment us with a
documentary "proving" the evil "racism" and "oppression" that was
omnipresent in what anyone over 40 can remember was a much freer, safer,
more cultured, prosperous, and optimistic nation.

The National Socialist regime in Germany between 1933 and 1945 has been
demonized even more than the Old America, and has become a metaphor for
"evil" used by almost all political factions in the insane asylum that
still goes by the name "United States of America."

Thus we have the looney CDR/Morris Dees left accusing militias of being
dangerous "nazis," while some right-wing patriot groups accuse the
Clintonistas and their enforcers of being "nazis," "fascist,"
"stormtroopers," et cetera.

"Nazi" has become a word that one attaches to any form of government power,
or rebellion against government power, that is thought to be illegitimate
or that one disapproves of. For all practical purposes, the word has ceased
to have any actual meaning.

But like the word "witch" in the 16th century, the smear word "nazi" still
has the power to instill fear of ostracism or punishment, so cowards of
many political stripes do all sorts of mental and verbal gymnastics to
avoid the feared appellation.

The really interesting thing to note is that National Socialist Germany is
not demonized by the establishment for its possible faults -- but rather
for one of its virtues. After all, many regimes of today and yesterday have
far less personal freedom than was allowed citizens there - far less press
freedom, far more regimentation, far higher taxation, far more government
regulation, far more hostility toward their own citizens, and all the rest
of it -- and they are not demonized.

The real reason, and in fact the only reason, National Socialist Germany is
demonized is the same reason that the Old America is demonized: both had
governments which favored the survival of the White race.

This is a crime that the New World Order cannot forgive."

Again, as before, we make the Internet information offered below available
as a public service in the spirit of free speech, with the legally
necessary disclaimer that we neither endorse nor oppose what is being said
or written.

Kevin Strom's ideas can be found at his Occupied America Homepage:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/america/

E-mail is:  ka_strom@ix.netcom.com

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"A nation never falls but by suicide."

(Ralph Waldo Emerson)




________
________
________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/



From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 19 06:47:06 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Curly Didn't Do It
Date: 15 Nov 1996 10:00:17 -0800
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william c anderson  writing [  941] bytes in <56altv$6c@lendl.cc.emory.edu> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!news.infomagic.com!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!peerfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!news.service.emory.edu!not-for-mail on alt.revisionism said:

> : And what about Shemp?
> 
> I, for one, have never seen an autopsy report on Shemp.
> 
> The matter seems concluded.

	The autopsy report was part of the frame-up.

	It was Berle who did it on orders of the mob.


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Rich Graves  writing [ 6768] bytes in <56aibu$aq2@Networking.Stanford.EDU> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!emerald.nb.net!news.emi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!data.ramona.vix.com!sonysjc!decwrl!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!unixhub!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail on news.groups said:

>                                          I was talking about specific
> groups that opposed Nazism but that do not necessarily share your
> conception of anti-fascism. I'd like to see a discussion forum where the
> topic may be a somewhat narrowly drawn conception of anti-fascism, but
> where a broad spectrum including everyone but actual fascists would be
> welcome.
	
	Communists and Anarchists have been the most reputable
	anti-fascists as they offer a solution rather than the
	empty negation of conservative opponents of fascism.

> -- alt.revisionism and the white-power groups are dominated by free-speech
> absolutists, let alone alt.censorship and eff.talk. 

	The other groups mentioned above yes, the white power groups
	no.

>                                           monopoly control over the
> parameters of debate (except for boundaries that we can *all* agree on,
> such that Holocaust denial and other blatant forms of hate propaganda are
> off-topic for an anti-fascist activist group).
	
	The Soviet anti-fascists are often accused of Holocaust
	Denial so such an off beat anti-fascism would be appropriate
	for a broad anti-fascist group.

> >done so, then deborah lipstadt's book "denying the holocaust" is one i 

	Lipstadt is afraid of the net.

> That's what alt.revisionism is for. 
	
	alt.revisionism belongs on soc.history.revisionism or
	soc.history.holocaust or some such.

> If you think I'm treating you with disrespect, try Declan, Seth, or
> Charles Platt. Unfortunately, I'm sure the irony of your statement will be
> lost on you unless we meet in person some day.
	
	Ron Kossi is a tough cookie.

> >and at the same time, you ask me to pass an "ideals test" (i
> >won't say, ideological test) of the kind you attack me for supposedly
> >applying to other people.
	
	Rich doesn't have ideals, it seems, conservatives don't.

>                                In fact, I'd consider any proposal without
> at least tepid support from you & Tallaul to be doomed to failure.
	
	He has good tactics.

> 1. misc.activism v. soc.politics. I simply don't see much room for
>    maneuver here; there is an overwhelming technical consensus that the
>    group belongs in misc.activism. The charter can be written to emphasize
>    the intellectual underpinnings of informed activism.
	
	Irrelevent, but it must have a *.moderated suffix to imform
	neophytes.

> 2. anti-fa v. anti-fascism. Originally we'd said the former, but now I'm
>    definitely leaning towards the latter.
	
	Agreed, anti-fa is meaningless.

> 3. The makeup of the moderation panel.
	
	It's objectionable for conservatives to moderate the group
	for reasons stated above.

> 4. How many different groups we need.
	
	One.

> 5. Moderation. I don't think this is controversial -- a robomoderator plus
>    a .announce group seems correct. Nobody wants an unmoderated group --
>    that's what the existing alt. and talk.politics. groups are for.
	
	Robomoderation is silly.

> 6. Wording of the charter and rationale.
	
	To accept only radical alternatices to fascism, otherwise
	the group would need to be more appropriately named
	soc.politics.anti-radical or soc.politics.conservative so as
	to reflect the radical nature of "fascism."


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November 17, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

On Sunday, June 9 of this year, the Ottawa Sun ran an article  titled
"Killers, rapists welcome:  Minister lets undesirables in through Canada's
back door."

This article goes on to say that former Canadian Immigration Minister
Sergio Marchi granted more than 1,500 special entry permits to rapists,
murderers, suspected terrorists and drunk drivers in 1995.  I cite it here
in part:

"Documents obtained by the Sunday Sun reveal Marchi doled out a total of
5,483 special minister's permits in 1995 to people who were initially
barred from entering Canada.

Marchi gave approval to 394 people indicted of a criminal offence for which
the maximum sentence was 10 years or more, such as rape or murder or armed
robbery. And even people suspected of being involved in terrorism or
espionage got in on the handouts -- 10 minister's permits were given out in
this category.
. . .
Another 1,155 permits were granted to immigrants convicted of a crime
carrying less than a 10-year sentence. These include simple assault, drunk
driving or theft under $5,000.

The special permits, which are usually granted on humanitarian grounds for
up to five years, were also issued to 395 people who posed a health risk,
124 people who had been working here illegally, 536 people who had stayed
longer than their visitor or student visa permitted, and to 44 people
previously deported."

(End of Ottawa Sun article)

While the then-Minister of Immigration wanted all these people in, he
wanted Zundel out in the worst way for having the audacity to ask that a
supposed genocidal murder weapon condemning an entire people for  genocidal
lunacy be legally produced.

"If there's a charge that serious that implicates my father's generation,"
said Zundel more than once, to the despair of many, "where is the
scientific evidence?  Can science be suspended for the Nazis?"

To stop that kind of question, the Minister of Immigration - the "he" is
now a "she" who has, apparently, worked on a Kibbutz in Israel and
reportedly speaks Hebrew - will need a lot of help.  And it turns out that
help is on the way already.

Surprise!  None other than the well-known SIRC !

Replete with legal team, SIRC will now want to help the Minister of
Immigration, I suppose (at least it seems that way) yet one more time to
prosecute Ernst Zundel - this time in the Federal Appeal Court.  Could it
be that Canadian law can be roughed up and maybe twisted yet some more?  Or
maybe not - who is to say while there are still a few good men of sound
mind in the courts of Canada?

This is the latest legal wrinkle in the ongoing saga of the Zundel
deportation  persecution - and yet another round we have been waiting for.


For those new to our ZGram list, here is the barest thumb sketch:

At the beginning of this year, SIRC - acting hired guns for what a lot of
people call the Shrill Minority - produced a warped report that allegedly
"documented" certain things about Ernst Zundel.  A crusty Anglo-Saxon judge
looked at this "evidence" and did not like how it had come about.

And he said No!  There is evident bias in that outfit!

It was a  major victory for Ernst.

In simplest terms, it meant the Zundel legal team convinced this judge that
a politically beholden agency, headed and undoubtedly frequently staffed by
political appointees, was caught red-handed slipping to the Minister of
Immigration "sting-operation evidence" involving unrelated matters to do a
hatchet job on Zundel for having the audacity to wonder loudly if Six
Million Really Died by Gassing - a question which, of course, displeased
and aggravated Canada's powerful Zionist Holocaust Promotion Lobby to no
end.

Now this same bunch is trying it again.

SIRC has now asked for Intervenor Status in the Federal Appeal Court - in
other words, they yearn to put themselves in a more favorable light by
standing right next to the Minister of Immigration's elbow to "help" her do
her job to ultimately deport Zundel for his heresies, which has been the
Zionist Lobby's goal all along.

Here is what the request looks like:

IN THE FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL

THE MINISTER OF CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION

AND

ERNST ZUNDEL

NOTICE OF MOTION FOR LEAVE TO INTERVENE

TAKE NOTICE that The Security Intelligence Review Committee ("SIRC") will
make a motion to the Court without the appearance of counsel pursuant to
Rule 324(1) of the Federal Court Rules.

THE MOTION IS FOR:

1.  An order granting SIRC status as an intervenor on this appeal with full
rights of participation including, without limiting the generality of the
foregoing:

(a) Receipt of the appeal book or printed case pursuant to Rules 1206 and
1207 of the Federal Court Rules and receipt of all related documents and
correspondence;

(b)  Receipt of the memorandum of fact and law of the parties pursuant to
Rule 1208 of the Federal Court Rules;

(c)  The right to file and serve its own memorandum of fact and law within
ten (10) days of the date established for filing and service of the
respondents' memorandum of fact and law.

(d)  The right to make full oral argument before this Court, and

(e)  The right to appeal the final Order of this Court."

This means, says Ernst, that

". . . they want another kick at the cat.  SIRC asks to be virtual
co-prosecutors, which will mean I will have to spend more money, more
effort and waste more time in order that the Zionists can get their way and
ultimately still my critic's voice by kicking me out of Canada.

Is the Minister of Immigration so incompetent that he or she needs "help"
>from  SIRC?  Or is it "Punish Z=FCndel financially!  Burn up his money!"
Season - even though he has committed no crime . . . ?"

So there you have it!  Another legal struggle looms.  But not to worry and
despair!  Please just remember that the courtrooms at this time are our
thoroughfares to where we can get the word out to the national and
international media via Internet, faxes, TV shows etc.  The life of a
Revisionist and battler for ethnic self-determination and dignity is seldom
dull and certainly never boring!  It is also not cheap.  And it's not for
the faint-of-heart either.

In his November Power letter Ernst describes what fighting for that dignity
and self-determination means:

"More often than not, we work till the wee hours of the morning - sometimes
even around the clock when pressing problems need to be resolved or a
campaign is in full swing.  We have people who start at 9 A.M. and go home
at 6 P.M.;  others come in at 3 o'clock in the afternoon and work till well
past midnight.  Still others work from 2 A.M. until they nearly drop with
fatigue!  We are literally in touch with the world - around the clock!

And even while we sleep, the Zundelsite is accessed by people from all over
the globe, and documents are studied and downloaded in several languages -
with more in the translation stages.  One university professor  wrote:  "I
can translate your 20-page long 'Holocaust file' into Polish, Russian,
Bosnian, Arabic, Urdu, Farsi, Turkish and Albanian!"

Many of these people offering their help are university-trained, and not a
few are university-employed.  And they, in turn. tell others!  Daily we
receive Internet mail that tells us that with your help I have become not
only a spokesman for the beleaguered Germans but also for truth seekers
everywhere - from Russia to Israel, from Namibia to Iceland and from Tierra
del Fuego to the North Pole.

One wrote:

"We, the Muslim Revivalists are with you, we are your allies in the just
war against the Age of Lies."

Another wrote:

"I have decided to go all out for it by claiming hurt whenever anyone
mentions the gassing story.  It deeply offends me to hear that my father
gassed Jews without my being allowed to look at the murder weapon - it
offends the principle of natural justice that I am not given the
opportunity to reply to such allegations."

A third, who used to live in Australia for 12 years but has now returned to
Slovakia, wrote:

"I have witnessed the destruction of basic values by a group you are
talking about. I am very pleased to see that men like you have the courage
to touch this untouchable subject.  If there is anything I can do here for
you, let me know."

Millions of people are exposed to our radio and TV programs, on the
Internet, via satellite - from Mexico all the way to the North Pole and all
over the US in at least 100 cities and towns on Public Access TV - from
Texas to Alaska, from Hawaii to Florida.

That's also what unnerves our enemies and detractors all over the place!
They don't know how we do it, and they cannot figure it out!

It is really very simple, as one of my French comrades recently put it:

'There is one thing I noticed (our enemies) CANNOT, really cannot even
conceive: it is 'desinteressement' (my dictionary says 'unselfishness' or
'selflessness', but I am not sure it is what I mean); they cannot imagine
people give a lot of their time, or a lot of their money, just for nothing,
just for an idea, just for helping revisionism, without having anything in
return except the happiness of seeing its progress. . . '

Gone are the days when the Canadian media thought they had finished me by
systematically demonizing and character-assassinating me!  The image
problems I have had to battle in Canada I do not have world-wide!  The
Internet has made the difference because now people can see and judge for
themselves - something they never could before because the Canadian lapdog
media was the bottle neck and self-appointed "interpreter" of what Ernst
Zundel was about!

Well, day by day, they're finding out!

Our enemies have long marveled, and no doubt gnashed their teeth, at our
sustained effort in spite of the costly nuisance law suits, so-called
"Human Rights" Tribunal hearings, the bombs and the arson, and on and on
and on.  You, my friends, have made this miracle possible.  Without you, I
would be a lone, small voice!

It is an extraordinary task - and a great privilege.

I thank you in advance for your help, for I know I can rely on you because
you are not only my supporters but also my friends in this awesome global
struggle for tomorrow."

(End of the Power Letter)

To this, I want to add:  If only the enemy knew how little it means in the
long run if Ernst wins or loses - for the genie is utterly out of the
bottle.  Ernst will fight.  He may win.  He may lose.  But the jig is now
up, and the genie is buoyant and  soaring.

On second thought, the enemy knows.  The enemy KNOWS.  And WE know that the
enemy knows.


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"It is not possible to combine democracy and enemy occupation in one
country.  Democracy under enemy occupation can arouse only those creatures
who are prepared to become roundworms crawling around the enemy's anus,
spying out a chance to slip inside."

(Otto Wagener in "Memoirs of a Confidant")












________
________
________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 19 10:29:16 PST 1996
Article: 130545 of soc.culture.african.american
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.culture.african.american Reorganization
Date: 18 Nov 1996 15:23:12 -0800
Organization: Moderator of news.groups
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DarkStar  writing [ 1800] bytes in <56bdiu$12o@news2.cais.com> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!tandem!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!news2.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!darkstar on news.groups said:

> >                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> 
> >NEWSGROUPS LINE:
> >soc.culture.african.american.misc	African-American perspectives.
> >soc.culture.african.american.moderated	African-American perspectives. (Moderated)
	
	What's the point?  Because some vain moderator feels he's
	better than everybody else?

> Again, I think it would be best to have s.c.a.a. unchanged, and a new
> group s.c.a.a.moderated created. It would be less of a hassle, IMO.
	
	Agreed, the *.misc non-sense just wastes namespace and disc
	space.  This spool often simply appends the *.misc groups to
	the active newsgroup file, as savvy admins do everywhere.
	Many of the groups listed in tale's "bogus newsgroup" spam
	have high volume and interest, worthy of subscribing to.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 19 10:29:17 PST 1996
Article: 130592 of soc.culture.african.american
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.groups,soc.culture.african.american
Subject: 2Nd RFD: soc.culture.african.american Reorganization
Date: 18 Nov 1996 15:29:53 -0800
Organization: Moderator of news.groups
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> Look, what ever happened to .unmoderated?  I lost track of this discussion
> 9/20, and since I find Dejanews' grip on dates quite unreliable, I haven't
> tried to catch up yet.  But I had the *impression* that .unmoderated was
> quite widely agreed upon.  At the very least, if you decided post-debate
> *not* to make that change, it deserved a remark in the "Changes from
> Previous RFD" section explaining what happened.
	
	Better that the .moderated suffix be *required* on all new
	moderated groups to avoid confusion to the unintiated.

	And let's get rid of the *.misc suffix!  It's redundent
	considering the hierarchical formula.


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 20 06:17:36 PST 1996
Article: 36219 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: BOYCOTT TEXACO!
Date: 19 Nov 1996 10:24:29 -0800
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	Damn right!  Don't get your gas at Texaco, complain to
	Texaco headquarters at:

	Texaco
	2000 Westchester Ave.
	White Plains, NY 10650

	914-253-4000

	If you're a franchisee or doing some other business with
	Texaco, this may give you more clout, but we all must
	boycott Texaco for unusually extreme capitulation.

Anonymous  writing [ 2683] bytes in <56nuj2$iqf@basement.replay.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!sun4nl!wirehub!news.euro.net!xs4all!xs4all!basement.replay.com!not-for-mail on alt.politics.nationalism.white said:

> Whites, Carefully Consider Purchases at Texaco!
> 
> The executives at Texaco are RACE TRAITORS!
> 
> Those politically correct, hypocritical wimps, wooses, and
> dollar-worshippers failed to do something for their race
> by missing a grand opportunity to challenge the equal
> employment opportunity (EEO) laws on constitutional grounds.
> 
> Rather, they chose to cave in and capitulate to the opposing
> camp.
> 
> EEO is unconstitutional with respect to the First Amendment
> to the United States Constitution on the basis of religion.
> 
> EEO is unconstitutional with respect to the Ninth Amendment
> to the United States Constitution because it
>     1.) violates people's right to freedom of association
>         and disassociation
>     2.) equalizes wages downward NOT UPWARD
>     3.) fosters an environment conducive to the formation
>         of monopsonies, monopolies, oligopsonies and 
>         oligopolies
>     4.) results in astronomical governmental debt which is
>         needed to support the unworkable system of equality
>     5.) purports to regulated mental processes thereby 
>         violating a person's right to freedom of thought
>     6.) fails to promote the general welfare
>     7.) and more.
> 
> EEO is unconstitutionally vague meaning it is impossible for a
> person to conform his behavior to be in full compliance with
> the law.  EEO says that those persons making employment
> decisions are not supposed to have preferences, BUT THE FACT
> OF THE MATTER IS THAT THEY WILL HAVE PREFERENCES in spite of
> EEO's purporting to regulate mental processes.  If a personnel
> manager expresses his preferences he is in violation of the law.
> If a personnel manager attempts to satisfy the law by shifting
> his preferences to an initially unfavored job candidate, then
> he is still in violation of the law for discriminating against
> the initially favored candidate in a reverse manner.
> 
> We hope that the next corporate target will be more passionately
> enlightened!


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 20 08:37:05 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Sniper Rifle ban...is coming
Date: 17 Nov 1996 19:49:46 -0800
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Bang   writing [ 1615] bytes in <3287AB16.1353@concentric.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!news on talk.politics.guns said:

> >         Let's mob the NRA, GOA, and other organizations with demands that money be
> >         spent on nation-wide, prime time TV commercials, during football games,
> >         movies of the week, etc. It will cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but
> >         it is really the only way.
> 
> Sorry, Matt.  The major networks have refused in the past to air NRA
> advertisements and will continue to do so.
> 
> The best response that pro-freedom people could engage in would be to
> boycott the companies listed as "anti-gun" by the NRA this holiday
> season.  Even better, restrict your holiday shopping to companies like
> Gander Mountain, Cabellas and others that have a record of being
> pro-gun.

	And boycott the media monopoly.  Trash the TV set.


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 20 08:37:06 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns
Subject: Wyatt Earp Gun Control Hero
Date: 19 Nov 1996 14:30:39 -0800
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	Wyatt Earp was a pig.


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 20 08:56:06 PST 1996
Article: 46281 of misc.activism.militia
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: misc.activism.militia
Subject: After the Anti-Nazis Leave ...
Date: 19 Nov 1996 13:52:25 -0800
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  writing [ 3395] bytes in <848431991$18313@atype.com> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request on misc.activism.militia said:

> >Our job as Militia is to discuss among ourselves what the risks
> >are to us and our country, and what future actions might be
> >currently planned against us in the near future and over the
> >next 4 years. 
> 
> I have just one serious question: Do you guys believe absolutely every
> single conspiracy theory that comes down the pike?  I mean really, come
> on!  You guys question the integrity and honesty of just about every
> Federal official, elected or unelected, but you fail to question the
> validity of any of these theories.  
	
	As long as the government is hiding the truth of it's
	actions, conspiracies need to be exposed to public scrutiny,
	thus allowing the public to oppose it's actions.

	Instead of whining about theorists, how about pressing for
	full disclosure of the entire foreign policy apparatus?

	They must have evil motives if they want to hide it from the
	good people.


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 20 09:31:33 PST 1996
Article: 91687 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Intermarriage and Messianic Jews
Date: 15 Nov 1996 17:06:06 -0800
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Grantland  writing [ 1978] bytes in <56db2c$9cf$1@newnews.iafrica.com> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!tandem!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!hermes.is.co.za!iafrica.com!not-for-mail on soc.culture.jewish said:

> >I just read some statistics quoted from an article in the 9/5/96 Jerusalem
> >Report concerning Jews and intermarriage. Some of the statistics quoted
> >were:
> 
> >- Over 1.3 million Jews have intermarried 
> >- Only 25% of mixed marriage children consider themselves Jews
> >- Only 28% of intermarried couples raise their children as Jews.
	
	Messianism is part of this.  Over 50% of Messians are
	gentiles.

	Messianism and Christianity are pressing hard to intermarry
	Jews and Christians.


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 20 09:31:33 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Shiksa has question on mitzvahs
Date: 15 Nov 1996 17:10:22 -0800
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> I read somewhere that sex (I assume with your spouse) was a mitzvah.  Is
> this true?  Where does this mitzvah come from?  That is, was it directed
> by God or what?
> 
> Background:  On this conservative Catholic ng that I frequent (I'm a
> liberal masochist), this guy was saying that sex for pleasure was not
> approved of by God.  (Where do they come with stuff?)  So how did that
> change from the Jewish tradition that says sex is a mitzvah?
	
	Sounds like someone was trying to get you into bed.

	Next time, tell the putz to buzz off.


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 20 09:31:34 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: What Is This "Judeo-Christian?"
Date: 15 Nov 1996 12:11:06 -0800
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	Who is demanding that we say "Judeo-Christian?"

	If there is such a creature, it's probably just about as
	popular as "Judeo-Islam."

	Oh wait, Jews For Jesus?

	That's Judeo-Christianity, now we understand!


From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 20 09:31:35 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: TV Promotes Intermarriage
Date: 17 Nov 1996 21:16:10 -0800
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Jordi Sod  writing [ 3814] bytes in <848208119.18642@dejanews.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!swrinde!news-relay.us.dell.com!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com on soc.culture.jewish said:

> In article <56leh3$ci6@newsfeed.cts.com>,
>     memory@cts.com (M.M.) wrote:
> 
> 
> I, Jordi, say:
> > >Intermarriage does not necessarily lead to troubles.  Deal with it.
> > >Deal with the fact that for many Jews, marrying a non-Jew is not a sin.
> > >Deal with the fact that many of us no longer believe we should follow
> > >archaic rulings.  Deal with the fact that many of us, although feeling
> > >quite Jewish, couldn't care less about halachic prohibitions against 
> > >intermarriage (or kashrut for that matter).
> 
> 
> > If you don't care about *archaic* halachic rules, than why bother
> > calling yourself Jewish? Religion is not a choose-your-own adventure
> 
> It's my inalienable birthright.  I'm proud of my people's accomplishments.  
> I wish to learn from our traditions, our history, our folklore, our 
> literature, etc. For me, Judaism is far from being exclusively a religion.
> 
> > concept. You don't get to make the rules up as you go along. Nobody is
> > telling you what you can or cannot do, what is being said is that if
> > you want to be Jewish, then here are the rules to follow. What you
> > call yourself or how you *feel* does not make you Jewish, what you
> > *do* is what makes you a Jew. The Southern Baptists are giddy with joy
> > that there are *Jews* like you out there! It makes their job of
> 
> You mean they're happy that there are educated Jewish skeptics like me 
> who think that the New Testament is bad literature and who find many of 
> its teachings contrary to a healthy lifestyle?  And are they happy I think
> rather poorly of their religion?
> 
> IF So. Baptists are happy there are people like me, these poor folks are 
> in serious trouble.
> 
> > converting us and *saving our souls* that much easier. Maybe you would
> > feel more at home with the *jews for Jesus*? I think that they would
> > be happy to *bend the rules for you, since being Jewish seems to be
> > such a difficult task for you!
> 
> It's not a task for me at all.  I'm an unaffiliated agnostic Jew.  Although 
> I wish to learn about my people's culture and wisdom (this includes 
> halacha), that doesn't mean I believe halacha has divine authority.  You 
> probably believe halacha comes directly from God (or in any case inspired 
> by God); that is your privilege. I believe it to be a completely human 
> creation.
> 
> Going back to intermarriage, I don't think it should be _encouraged_, as
> odds are the children will not conserve their beautiful Jewish heritage.  
> That doesn't mean I will not intermarry just because halacha forbids me
> to do so.  I'll probably marry a Jewish woman, simply because on average,
>  I have more in common with other Jews than with Gentiles, and I want to
> pass on my heritage to my children.  I hope I will marry a Jewish woman.
> 
> > Randy
> > Proud to Jewish, and proud to be looking for a nice Jewish girl.
> 
> Randy, I respect your decision to follow halacha, and wish you will find
> a nice Jewish girl soon.  As far as I go, I'm proud to be Jewish, and 
> hopefully will be looking soon for a nice girl, preferably Jewish.
> 
> Jordi
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From varange@crl.com Wed Nov 20 09:31:35 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Open Letter To President Clinton
Date: 18 Nov 1996 10:31:12 -0800
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> >.... I possess documents tending to prove that the technical
> >evidence at the Rosenberg trial had been entirely fabricated by
> >the FBI.
> 
> Are you going to take action on these documents?  It appears that
> you have found America's equivalent of the Dreyfuss Affair.
	
	As it was a large gang that was responsible for the worst
	treason of the twentieth century, it would suggest that the
	Rosenbergs are patsies or minor players in the scam.  They
	are guilty, at least by covering up the true culprits.


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 06:29:32 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Jews Blaming The Holocaust On David Irving
Date: 17 Nov 1996 19:07:02 -0800
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> > > I've heard Mr. Irving speak and read his writings and one theme is
> > > constant--Jews.  He jokes about them, calls them "The Traditional
> > > Enemy," and blames them for many of his personal troubles.
> > 
> >         Well, what he should do is treat Jews in the same manner
> >         they treat him, but that would be very nazi of him.
> 
> Tit for Tat!!! Which comes first...the chicken or the egg. The Jews 
> were persecuted by the Germans among others, murdered by the millions, 
> they should be nice to Irving? Common!
	
	The Jews as a people have had it easy.  They have abused
	power throughout Europe.

> > >                    He is a self-appointed historian.
> > 
> >         I sure hope he's a self-appointed historian.  I mean, no one
> >         wants to be forced to be a historian against their will.
> 
> Especially a bad historian, against their will. Read Irving, buy his 
> books, listen to his anti-Jewish speeches, pay your ten bucks, enjoy 
> yourself. 
> 
> Common, Irving writes crapolla.
	
	Better than average.


From rcgraves@ix.netcom.com Mon Nov 25 06:29:32 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: They've Got Something To Hide
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November 15, 1996

Good Morning from the Zundelsite:

After I came back from Vancouver, I received a call from Ernst who sounded
chipper as can be and told me happily:  "I am on Vancouver Island in the
city of Nanaimo.  I am trying to find Ken McVay to see if I can get an
interview. . . " and I said:  "You are kidding!"

Yesterday, after having cleaned up yet another mail bomb mess that took me
more than four hours to download onto my hard disk so I could finally get
rid of it, I learned the finer details of the story while editing Ernst's
Power Letter for November.

In it, there is a little segment there for ZGram readers to preview and
savor.  Entitled "The elusive "Nizkor boss" - Ken McVay", it offers food
for thought.

Here's Ernst:

"I have lived and worked in the same location for over 21 years.  I have
been bombed in 1984, burned out in 1995, and was sent a mail bomb a few
weeks after the fire.  Each time, some Jewish group or individuals, in
calls to the press, have claimed credit for those acts.  Yet I still talk
to Jews.  In person.  Freely and practically daily.

McVay, just what is the big deal?

I had some business to conduct in Western Canada where Ken McVay resides.
I had plans to meet with my attorney and advisors, translators and
supporters.  While I was there, I wanted to take the opportunity to drop in
at the Nizkor Office, meet and, hopefully, interview Ken McVay - at the
very least, I hoped to get a little more acquainted!  After all, we have
"known" each other since September of 1995 when the Nizkor people
announced, in alt.revisionism, I believe, that since we were not going to
be joining them in the sewers of that newsgroup that they populate, they
were going to ". .  . follow us onto the Web" - or words to that effect.

Out of that, and many letters back and forth, all of which are archived for
posterity, grew the aborted "debate" that triggered last year's cyberwar
about Free Speech on-line - another Zundel First.

Ever since, we have linked with Nizkor on every one of our documents,
stating "We do not recruit;  we convince.  Truth has no need of coercion.
For relentless Holocaust promotion, on the other hand, contact Nizkor."

If people click on "Nizkor", it takes them straight to their page where
Deborah Lipstadt, in "Denying the Holocaust", is quoted, for her part, as
follows:

"...truth is far more fragile than fiction...reason alone cannot protect it.=
"

We beg to differ, see?  Makes us look good by comparison, doesn't it?

My plan had been to make a video or at least a radio interview with
Nizkor's "Director and Founder," Ken McVay, to be broadcast all over North
America by satellite, and later over 60 cities on Public Access TV.  Nizkor
could have reached millions of people with their Holocaust Promotion  story
- entirely free of charge!

But no dice!

We had sent an e-mail message to that effect, and had been told that McVay
had been for five years on the Internet and that I could meet him there -
whatever that was supposed to mean.  The suggestion sounded to me like
something out of a cheap Western - I thought that I was challenged to
another electronic shoot-out at the OK Corral.

This response made me think that Ken's handlers - or the people for whom he
so diligently performs his shabbes-goy job at Nizkor - were shielding him
>from  me.

For my part, I had face-to-face in mind.

And so I decided to take the ferry across to Nanaimo,  B.C., and visit Ken
personally, shake his hand, look him straight in the eye, share a cup of
coffee with him, shoot nothing but the breeze, and then see if there was a
chance to do an interview.  I was prepared to be grilled by Nizkor staffers
and volunteers, and actually figured that we might build some bridges.  (I
am still dreaming of that live debate on national or even international TV,
perhaps broadcast from some prestigious university campus.  I do not easily
give up!)

I got off the boat, looked up a map, and drove to what I thought was the
Nizkor Office advertised on the Internet.  Imagine my surprise when I could
only find a mail drop - the kind you see in most cities where frequently
"fly-by-night" outfits operate their shady enterprises.

I looked at it, and then I filmed it for posterity, to get at least a head
start.  It took me a while to come to realize that either McVay is a midget
and lives in one of those mail boxes that Nizkor is renting - and which I
thought naively was their "suite" number in some stately office complex -
or they have something to hide.  The Anti-Racist-Action Marxist terrorist
group in Toronto is similarly stationed - or so, at least, they said on
their grant application form to fleece the Canadian tax payers.

This situation says a lot.

You can call me at the Zundel-Haus, and I personally answer the phone.  I
take great care to be accessible.  You can visit me at a real location with
an address listed in the telephone book where grown-up people live and work
in real rooms.  Every day, I talk to people face to face - even enemies and
opponents.  My name and full address are on my letterhead and business
cards, in video films and TV and radio shows broadcast around the globe.
That's how I have operated for all of the 38 years I have lived in Canada.
That is my style - because I have nothing to hide.

In my opinion and experience, only cowards, liars, con-men and crooks  hide
behind a PO Box and a sleazy mail drop operation out of some cubbyhole in a
shopping mall and refuse to meet in an honest encounter.

Once I realized the con, I decided to call Nizkor's telephone number given
on the Internet.  I heard the voice, after being given the "Shalom", of a
Mike Goldberg.  Apparently, in light of recent events, he is the schlepp
for Ken McVay - or Ken, more likely than not, is the goy-schlepp for
Goldberg.

I left two messages on the machine, requesting that he or someone please
call my Toronto Office, where I would pick up my messages.  I mentioned
that I was out West, wanting to meet McVay.

An emergency number was given on that recording, and I took that down and
looked at it, divining to whom it belonged.

Being respectful and mindful of the Jewish Sabbath, I did not call on
Saturday before sundown - but after the Sabbath had ended, I decided the
emergency was now real because I would be returning to the mainland and to
Toronto soon.

I called the emergency number and got a rather suspicious-sounding woman on
the line who, it turned out, was Mrs. Goldberg.

I once again stated that, by now, it was an emergency and I wanted to do an
interview with McVay of Nizkor since I had come all the way across the
continent to do so.  Would someone please call back?

No one, of course, called back.

So I had the telephone number checked out by B.C. Telephone to find out who
was using the name of that answering service, and to my not-so-great
surprise, did not get the Midgets at the Mail drop but instead the Mighty
Synagogue in Victoria, B.C., - 95 kilometers away - who hustles the money
for Ken's front.

Task not accomplished, I left.

On my way back to Toronto, I was told by one of my office associates  that
Harry Abrams, the Jewish hyper-activist of B'nai Brith, Victoria, had sent
a threatening type e-mail, demanding that, in the future, if I wanted to
reach Ken McVay, I should only contact him (!) or the R.C.M.P. (!!)

Well.  I was flabbergasted!  Was the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in
Victoria, B.C. taking messages for Nizkor's head honcho?

What do you make of this story?  These Nizkor folks are allegedly into
spreading "truth" about the Holocaust and fighting Nazi lies etc.  I wonder
why they are hiding - or what they have to fear.

Frankly, I was saddened by this lesson.  I thought Ken McVay was an
electronic free speech advocate and freedom fighter.  It seems to me now
that he is either a prisoner in that mail box out there in Nanaimo or, more
likely, a front man for deeper, darker things - and someone is exploiting
and using him, fearing that in a face-to-face confrontation, Ken would not
be able to hack it and might become a convert to the Zundel cause after all
- which would be sad day indeed for the synagogue boys.  And for Nizkor!

I understand Ken is an American.  I find it ironic that a man raised on
First Amendment Rights, undoubtedly taught to cherish free speech, now
works, or at least fronts for, an organization that has him utterly gagged.


At the Zundelsite, we don't recruit;   we convince.  For relentless
Holocaust promotion, contact the midgets in the mailbox at Nizkor. . . "

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"You never know where bottom is until you plumb for it."

(Frederick Laing)



________
________
________ The Zundelsite can be found at
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 06:29:33 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Jews Blaming The Holocaust On David Irving
Date: 17 Nov 1996 19:15:20 -0800
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Leprechaun  writing [ 3238] bytes in <328d88f0.30949084@news.gte.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mindspring!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.gte.net!usenet on alt.revisionism said:

> >	#1)  Antisemitism can be defined as intentionally feeling 
> >	desires that potentionally may reduce the power of the Jewish 
> >	collective leadership;
> >
> >	#2)  and when unintentional, failing to make amends for it.
> >
> >	It has not yet been proven that Irving is an antisemite;
> >	after all, he could be an agent of Jewish businessmen.
> >
> >	On the other hand, he does claim that he is not an antisemite, 
> >	a fairly accurate symptom of antisemitism.
> 
> 	This sounds like a Monty Python skit.
> 
> 	"I'm not a witch!"
> 
> 	See?  She denied it.  That proves she's a witch."  
> 
> 	So lets see, any and all pleas of "not guilty" prove that the
> person is guilty.  Denial of guilt is proof of guilt.
	
	Yes, but then failing to make amends for antisemitism
	confirms one as an antisemite.

> >> I've heard Mr. Irving speak and read his writings and one theme is
> >> constant--Jews.  He jokes about them, calls them "The Traditional
> >> Enemy," and blames them for many of his personal troubles.  
> >
> >	Well, what he should do is treat Jews in the same manner
> >	they treat him, but that would be very nazi of him.  
> 
> 	That sounds very familiar.  First jews attack and then claim any
> counter-attack is anti-semitic.  
> 
> >> Normally, I say--Fine.  Go for it, David.  You are entitled to feel
> >> however you like.  But when a writer sets himself up as the arbiter of
> >> truth and makes unfounded accusations under the guise of "history," I
> >> get my hackles up. He is a self-appointed historian.  
> >	
> >	I sure hope he's a self-appointed historian.  I mean, no one
> >	wants to be forced to be a historian against their will.  
> 
> 	Or be annointed as one as are all but two holocaust writers.  


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 06:29:34 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,sci.skeptic,soc.history,alt.revisionism,harvard.general,su.etc
Subject: Scientific Theory And Holocaust Denial
Date: 23 Nov 1996 13:52:57 -0800
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Michael P. Stein  writing [ 2719] bytes in <56uarm$c4t@access2.digex.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news2.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail said:

> >> Unfortunately, there's a difference between denier "science" and
> >> true science. The fundamental principle of true science is this:
> >> any theory must take into account any relevant observable
> >> facts.  That is, the theory must fit the facts; a true scientist
> >> never denies facts simply because they don't fit the theory. The
> >> way an honest scientist works is to make observations first, and
> >> only then come up with a theory which explains what is seen. If
> >> at any time the facts contradict the theory, the theory is
> >> discarded as false. A new one must be formed.
> >
> >	Gee, why doesn't the "science" of economics, politics and
> >	sociology follow the scientific theory?
> 
>     Scientific method, not scientific theory.  And would you please
> provide evidence for your assertion that the disciplines _as a whole_ do
> not follow the part of scientific method described above? 
	
	Of course not, I was referring to the universities that have
	an ideological straitjacket in place.  There's much research
	outside of academia, you know, that actually follows the
	scientific theory.

	"Revisionism" doesn't necessarily follow the theory any more
	or less than the detraction; lack of prestige is it's
	primary trait, a hardship for some, and a boon for
	intellectual freedom with the corruption of academic 
	accredition.

>     One key area where the above sciences fail to compare with hard
> science is in the area of experimental reproducibility. 
	
	The social "sciences" of academia should all be shoved into
	the field of psychiatry, where it properly belongs.

	That would be the school of the future, hard science and
	psychiatry.

> >> The Holocaust deniers' "scientists" are in the same position:
> >> they attempt to prove that facts are not facts. In the most real
> >> sense, the "science" employed in the service of Holocaust denial
> >> is, in truth, the denial of every principle of the scientific
> >> method - indeed, the denial of science itself.
> >
> >	Thank you for your essay.  It is worth reading for it's
> >	hatefulness.
> 
>     How so?  I am genuinely interested in hearing just what language you
> take as being hateful.
> 
>     I compared methodologies.  That's all.  Not once did I call anyone an
> antisemite, Nazi, evil, immoral, or a four-letter word.  Not once did I
> call for censorship or violence.  So where is the hate?  I certainly
> intended none.
	
	It's coming to fore that intentions are irrelevent in the
	judging of human charactor; that is a significant
	contribution from the ideological advances of the Twentieth
	Century.


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The "Harvard Law Library's 'Guide to Hate Groups on the Internet'" is
presently developing into another murky story, and I am mentioning it in
this morning's ZGram simply to establish yet another crumb trail that
people may find interesting to follow.

Here's what I know, which is not the entire picture:

Four or five weeks ago, somebody alerted me to the existence of a "Who's
Who in Hate" web page, and I checked it out in a cursory fashion, a bit
amazed that a prestigious university like Harvard would lend itself to
something that amateurish and clearly libelous.  The web page was still
under construction, and it was simply this:

One side lined up the "hate groups" - ranging all the way from really
unpleasant skinhead type pages to sterling Christian/Patriot pages.

The other side, supposedly "combatting hate",  showed a continuum from
truly vile and vicious groups - such as the Anti-Racist Action groups - to
the traditional Agony Aunts such as Nizkor.

The Zundelsite was listed somewhere in the middle, under "Revisionists".  I
thought that was okay.  I reasoned that whoever had spawned this website
didn't know a thing from Adam when it came to the nature of the ideological
polarizing that is now taking place  world-wide.

I also thought with a rather smug smile to myself that sooner or later,
this thing would cause problems for Harvard for any number of delicate
reasons, which would take our cause straight into academia - and that, if
Harvard knew what we think Harvard knows, it would clamp down on this stuff
pretty fast.

Well, it was sooner rather than later.

A few days ago, when I mentioned this website in a ZGram, I received a
letter from "the editors" - no names given -  informing me that the website
was no longer associated with Harvard and was now an independent,
non-profit enterprise, retitled "HateWatch".

Since then, a couple of people seem to be checking up on this.  One is the
indefatigable Matt Giwer who is complaining about a photo copyright and
making noises in the right direction.  The other one is author and
journalist Michael Hoffman II.

Hoffman is best known in revisionist circles for his documentation of the
first, 1985, Holocaust trial of Ernst Zundel, recently republished as "The
Great Holocaust Trial." a book now banned in Canada.  He also wrote "They
Were White, and They Were Slaves".  Hoffman has developed his own webpage
called "Independent History and Research." It can be found at:
http://www.hoffman-info.com.

On October 12th, Hoffman began his dialog with the anonymous "librarian" of
"HateWatch." (Now found at: http://www.hatewatch.org). For any who are
interested in reading the entire correspondence, visit Hoffman's page at:
"http://www.hoffman-info.com/enshrining.html"

Pulling no punches, Hoffman wrote :

"The raison d'etre of the Harvard law Library 'Hate Guide'  is to do that
very thing: seeing evil intentions behind every word of criticism expressed
by homicidal gas chamber skeptics."   He raised the question as to why no
Zionist hate groups were among Harvard's listing.

To Hoffman's request to include Zionist Hate Groups, the anonymous
"librarian" temper-tantrumed:

"Which ones!? What are their URL's?! What server do they reside on!?"

When many others may have given up in disgust, Hoffman pressed on:

"Much of the implications of this debate are, patently, over your head.
Let's repeat: when you list Bradley Smith's academic CODOH group as a hate
site and fail to list the web [site] of the bomb-throwing Jewish "Defense"
League, your credibility and objectivity are extinguished, whatever your
protests and exclamations to the contrary."

Harvard's anonymous "librarian" responded:

"Contrary to your unreasonable belief, if these yet to be named Jewish
groups advocate hate I will NOT HESITATE to include them in HateWatch."

To this, Hoffman sent this spirited response, repeated here in shortened form:

"Come out of cloud cookoo-land, Mr. or Miss Librarian. Hate advocacy is not
the issue at the Harvard Law Library. By your own praxis, every revisionist
site is ipso facto hateful. You are apparently such a zealot you can't
grasp the depth of your own subjectivity. If we observe your listings we
clearly see that facts and evidence play no part in your determinations of
who or what is hateful.

Your agenda is on display for all to see: he who doubts some aspect of
the enormous, veritable sea of accusations grouped under the absurd
Newspeak term, Holocaust, is immediately stigmatized by Harvard Law as a
hater. I suppose when Jews like David Cole doubt some aspect of the
homicidal gas chamber accounts, they become 'self-haters.'

By the evidence of your listings, you are a partisan. You should be in
charge of the Likud Library, not the Harvard Library, where your pose as a
neutral archivist of all proponents of hatred has become a consummate
example of the pretensions of thought police.

Normally hysteria like yours would have had cachet only in some obscure
Stalinist sub-cult. But these are not normal times and your hysteria now
commands a prominent position at Harvard.

The objective of the Harvard Law Library hate guide is to intimidate
independent scholars and instill in them the fear that if they, too, should
dissent from the party line, they may quite possibly have Harvard Law
Library's official anathema pronounced against them as well. That is the
real intent of your despicable enterprise . . .  "

(End of Hoffman letter)

That was exactly the impression I had:  Either the "Harvard Law Library's
"Guide to Hate Groups on the Internet" was put up by dumb kids who didn't
know better, or it was yet another typical In-Your-Face intimidation
tactic, as in ". . . here's Hershowitz!"

Right now I lean toward dumb kids.  I can't imagine Harvard being a willing
party to something as clumsy as this.  But, then, you never know.  It's
worth a sleuth or two.

Friends who have more time than I do ought to keep digging into this one.
I bet you that it leads eventually where all the threads converge.

Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"What will the stream become
In its long course,
Since 'tis so dark and turbid
At the source ?"

(Pietro Metastasio)

--
Learn to hate hate:

http://hatewatch.org


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 06:29:35 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.history,alt.revisionism
Subject: Jews Blaming The Holocaust On David Irving
Date: 23 Nov 1996 13:06:20 -0800
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Annie Alpert   writing [ 2986] bytes in <328E6D28.57DD@ccnis.net> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!uu4news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!206.20.179.44 on alt.revisionism said:

> >         #1)  Antisemitism can be defined as intentionally feeling
> >         desires that potentionally may reduce the power of the Jewish
> >         collective leadership;
> >
> >         #2)  and when unintentional, failing to make amends for it.
	
	This is the standard definition of antisemitism.

> Why do you feel amends have to be made if you stand behind you position?
	
	The difficult position can still be maintained but amends
	must be paid to avoid being an antisemite.

> >         It has not yet been proven that Irving is an antisemite;
> >         after all, he could be an agent of Jewish businessmen.
> 
> He is totally obsessed with Jews.  He thinks they are out to get him. 
	
	That is often the pro-Jewish position.

> The 'agent of Jewish businessmen" theory is totally specious.
	
	There has not yet been proof either way.


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 06:29:36 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The Founding Of Classical Asia
Date: 24 Nov 1996 02:04:09 -0800
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SENAKA BALASURIYA  writing [ 3744] bytes in <577lju$1o5e@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!farman!sxb41 said:

> This is what encyclopedia brittanica (www.eb.com:180/) says about aryans:
> 
> "Aryan 
> (from Sanskrit arya, "noble"), a people who, in prehistoric times,
> settled in Iran and northern India. From their language, also called Aryan, 
> the Indo-European languages of South Asia are descended. In the 19th century 
> the term was used as a synonym for "Indo-European" and also, more 
> restrictively, to refer to the ... Indo-Iranian languages (q.v.). It is now 
> used in linguistics only in the sense of the term Indo-Aryan languages (q.v.)"
	
	Correct.  The founders of Indian and Iranian civilzation
	were of aryan race.

	However, the present inhabitants of India and Iran are
	predominantly non-aryan.

	There are more aryans in the USA and Europe than in India.


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 07:03:39 PST 1996
Article: 49957 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Leave blacks alone
Date: 19 Nov 1996 10:29:23 -0800
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  writing [  605] bytes in <19961119052200.AAA17884@ladder01.news.aol.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail on alt.politics.white-power said:

> Leave blacks alone.they are doing a good job killing themselves off.How
> many times are we going to save them.You can take them out of the
> jungle,but you can't take the jungle out of them.

	They don't want to be left alone, as is clear.


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 07:12:10 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: WORLD BANK GUILTY OF GENOCIDE IN AFRICA
Date: 22 Nov 1996 09:50:40 -0800
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	Abolish the World Bank.

	Problem solved.


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 07:12:11 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.conspiracy
Subject: DO JEWS RUN/CONTROL QUEBEC?
Date: 23 Nov 1996 16:48:50 -0800
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  writing [  605] bytes in <19961123052800.AAA17592@ladder01.news.aol.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail said:

> Well, Jesus is Jewish, so I suppose Jews control the entire Christian
> world.  
	
	Jesus was a tall blonde Aryan just like all Christian
	religions have depicted him in paintings.


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 07:12:12 PST 1996
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Subject: NAZI IS SHORT FOR NATIONAL SOCIALISM
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Wally J. Reef  writing [ 3033] bytes in <3295C598.784A@wiggin.com> from nexp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!news.BSDI.COM!newsfeed.orst.edu!dogbert.supra.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.abest.com!re.hotwired.com!usenet said:

> >  America's Second Civil War is being fought over who shall possess ultimate power in this nation: a ruling Leftists elite (our own new Master Race), or We The People.
> >    The battle has long been joined, it is time that everyone recognize it,
> > and participate.
> 
> And who are the LIBERALS? I'll tell you. They're anti-capitalist 
> mediocrats who think they're better than the rest of us. They loathe 
> success, whether it be financial, athletic, spiritual, or artistic. They want 
> to keep everybody equal --equally miserable! They are cultured snobs who 
> look down their noses at the common people. They are padded by their 
> wealth, which prevents them from understanding the plight of the working 
> man. They monopolize the corporations of cultural expression, and 
> force-feed us anti-capitalist propaganda day and night.  They are perched 
> on their high-horse, stealing our tax money to socially re-engineer 
> America to their own twisted secular-humanist whims. 
	
	Damn right, except "Liberals" are pro-capitalist and they
	feed us capitalist propaganda day and night.

	Read the latest Forbes 400.  Not a single patriot among
	them, because they are all worthless scum.

> It's high-time We the People knock these autocrats off their throne, and 
> elect a real President -- such as Pat Buchanan -- who will move this 
> country in the right direction -- who will restore the sanctity of life by 
> outlawing abortion forever -- who will restore America's morality by 
> bringing Jesus back to our public schools -- who will take these 
> loudmouthed Leftist enemies of democracy out, and give them the solid 
> whipping across their fannies that they deserve!
	
	There's nothing wrong with atheism, abortion or leftism.

	Our society's problems are exclusively of who has power,
	not who they pretend to be or what system they head.

	Get the good guys in power and it matters not the status 
	quo of the machine because they will not capitulate to 
	the anti-ideologues.

	Buchanan?  His anti-trade rhetoric was good, but he reeks of
	capitulation under his shirt.


From varange@crl.com Mon Nov 25 07:12:13 PST 1996
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Subject: Race is Genetic?
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Jubal Harshaw   writing [ 3087] bytes in <329570CF.416@ix.netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!tandem!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news said:

> > Will someone tell me how we are defining "Black" people in this thread?
> > Is it one Black parent, 2?  One Black grandparent, 2, 4?  Would an
> > aquiline featured, blond, "white" looking "Black" person qualify?  (The
> > former president of the NAACP, Walter White would fit that bill.)   Peter
> > Ustinov, in his autobiography "Dear Me", speaks of his Ethiopian
> > grandmother.
	
	If true, then he is not white, he is mixed-raced part
	African.

> You have asked the fundamental question!   Congratulations.  I really
> have a bone to pick with anyone (black or white) who claims a mixed race
> person belongs to any one race.  The antebellum practise of labeling
> someone black who has a drop of black blood is racist and rediculous.

	No one with African and/or Asian blood can be white.

> > If we were speaking of "pure" groups, this thread might have a chance but
> > there ain't no such thing and never has been.
	
	Then you're a chimpanzee.  I'm an orangutan.

> I agree.  We can't talk about racially mixed people as anything but
> racially mixed people and I HOPE THAT THERE WILL BE ENOUGH OF THEM
> SOMEDAY TO PUT AN END TO RACISM.
	
	The more racial mixing the greater disunity of a nation,
	increased corruption, the weakening of military defenses and
	the sure ticket for a military invasion of a foreign army.

	In the hypothetical case of a world all of one race, mixed
	or pure, selective breeding will necessarily create races
	and sub-races.  It is a biological fact that selective
	breeding can not be avoided, thus the creation of races, 
	along with racism.

	Racism can never die, it can only change colors.

	If you don't like it, then go drop acid and forget about 
	higher thought.


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Subject: Why You Should Boycott Texaco
Date: 23 Nov 1996 17:48:27 -0800
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Mike Asher  writing [ 1775] bytes in <01bbd8ab$bb0fc240$89d0d6cc@micron-p133> from nexp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!li.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dbtech.net!usenet said:

> > But it balances--cancels out--discrimination in the opposite
> > direction, discrimination which you, as a Conservative, make
> > no effort to abate.
> 
> You are correct.  The $180,000 settlement the Texaco employee received in
> exchange for receiving a birthday cake with "a depiction of watermelon
> seeds" on top is certainly a balanced situation.
	
	Because they have crooked lawyers and management.

	There's no other explanation for the settlement.


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Subject: Who Rules America?
Date: 18 Nov 1996 23:00:50 -0800
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Christian Bau  writing [  959] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!mn6.swip.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!insignia!christian-mac.isltd.insignia.com!user on soc.culture.german said:

> In article <56gs40$mu4@camel4.mindspring.com>, jimkonen@atl.mindspring.com
> wrote :
> 
> Makes me wonder why a notorious liar would post anything under the name of
> "Truth".

	Oh?  And you deny that the media hold great political
	power?


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,qc.general,mtl.general,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy,alt.skinhead,alt.lies
Subject: DO PLANTS RUN/CONTROL QUEBEC?
Date: 25 Nov 1996 12:46:43 -0800
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DarkKnight   writing [ 1538] bytes in <329618FC.3819@cyberbeach.net> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!tandem!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeeder.servtech.com!news1.io.org!news.uunet.ca!news said:

> Sorry to interupt this thread, but I'm searching for evidence
> that Michael Hoffman II is a CIA plant sent to subvert 
> movements the government deems "racist, anti-semitic, or
> homophobic" the usual liberal canards.  Please email me
> privately on this matter.....
	
	Ha, ha!  Of course, EVERONE is a CIA plant out to subvert 
	the movement!  Hi, I'm Troy plant, smoking a plant, eating 
	a plant, working at the plant, growing a plant, stepping
	on plants, feeding plants to the cat, and other fun stuff
	with plants.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 06:25:36 PST 1996
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Subject: Where?
Date: 25 Nov 1996 10:09:11 -0800
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Jim Walsh  writing [ 1952] bytes in <57bftm$8au@keelung.transend.com.tw> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!keelung.transend.com.tw!LYNNWALS said:

> ::Don't worry, I'll keep repeating this until each and every one of you
> ::clones has heard it.
> 
> Don't worry. We heard it. It makes us laugh, it is so stupid, but we heard it 
> (or rather read it). I personally have heard this sort of nonsense for more 
> than 50 years, but I have yet to see one of you racist clowns provide a 
> biologically valid definition of race. 
	
	Gee, where have you heard racism for the last fifty years?


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 06:25:37 PST 1996
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Subject: The Founding Of Classical Asia
Date: 25 Nov 1996 14:29:04 -0800
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SENAKA BALASURIYA  writing [ 2608] bytes in <57ct9v$1r2i@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.id.net!news.cic.net!newsrelay.netins.net!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!curtiss!sxb41 said:

> : 	Correct.  The founders of Indian and Iranian civilzation
> : 	were of aryan race.
> 
> : 	However, the present inhabitants of India and Iran are
> : 	predominantly non-aryan.
> 
> : 	There are more aryans in the USA and Europe than in India.
> 
> the founders of the indian civilization (which also included persia)
> was not ARYAN. This is the indus-valley or mohenjodaro - harappa civilization.
> in fact, they are of DRAVIDIAN origin. 
	
	India was founded by Aryans, although influenced by
	previous civilizations in the area.

> the aryans are thought to be from
> mesopotamia !!!! those of the mesopotamian civilization who came down to
> india/persia were the ones who called themselves aryans !!!!
	
	The Aryans came the arctic.  It is they who migrated and
	founded some of the civizations in the area, among them 
	Persia.  Classical Greece battled with aryan Persians.

	"I, Darius, of Aryan race..." the famous incription
	reads.

> these people inhabited india/persia around 2500BC and 500 BC. 
> 
> what makes you think the present inhabitants of India and Iran are
> predominantly non-aryan. actually, they are predominantly aryan..the
> descendants of dravidians are in south india, other parts of asia, in
> australia and so on. 
	
	They are part of each.

> as for your third claim, i cant answer coz i dont know the population
> geografix of europe, my guess is you are wrong.
	
	It's inaccurate, but Aryans are at least a prominent
	minority of the present Europe.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 06:25:38 PST 1996
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Subject: BOAS, THE POLITICIAN
Date: 25 Nov 1996 14:49:21 -0800
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Laura Finsten   writing [ 2824] bytes in <57atgu$l15@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!usc!howland.erols.net!torn!hone!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!usenet said:

> >	You are trying to convince me that you Politically Correct clones are
> >stupid.  You don't need to.
> >	Scientific Anthropolgy is ALWAYS Politically Correct.  When Nordic
> >supremacy
> >was Politically Correct, Scientific Anthropoly proved Aryan Spupremacy. 
> >In 1939, Fanz
> >Boas was a bit of a joke among Scientific Anthropologists.   
> 
> Oh really, Bob?  Then why did he have such a strong, international
> reputation?  Why was invited to address prestigious scientific
> organisations like the American Academy of Science?  How did he
> manage to publish hundreds of articles in scholarly (including
> scientific) journals both in North America *and* in Germany?
	
	For political reasons.  Our administrators of academia
	are not politicaly neutral, you know.  The state of being
	"prestigious" often means towing the party line.  In any
	case, addressing a body does not bestye endorsement by
	that body, of course.

> In 1945,
> >Boas' doctrine that there was no real difference between races was the
> >Only True Faith, and Boas' group
> >became the Only True Scientific Anthropologists.
> 
> Not true, you know.  "Racial science" lives on in eastern Europe
> and Austria to this very day.
	
	The glorious Russian civilization has not been
	eradicated, though there are cosmopolites trying their
	hardest to destroy Rus, predominant among them
	capitalists.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 06:25:39 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: RESISTANCE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
Date: 25 Nov 1996 18:51:44 -0800
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Chuck Ferree   writing [ 2338] bytes in <32987B7C.16A3@rio.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!dciteleport.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.rio.com!news said:

>                     Resistance was almost impossible in Auschwitz, 
> where disobedience meant
> torture and death, for one's peers as well as oneself. Nevertheless, 
> it occurred. The most notable
> instance was that of the Sonderkommando that seized a crematorium.
> 
> After the revolt was put down, the remaining two hundred members of 
> the Sonderkommando were
> executed, some with flamethrowers.
> 
> Friedrich, pp. 80-85.

	They had it easy compared to our brothers in the Kolyma
	camps.
-- 
Cheers!


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: POWER OF POLITICAL PRESSURE
Date: 25 Nov 1996 18:56:01 -0800
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Chris Carpenter  writing [  768] bytes in <32970dc3.160106@news.zippo.com> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!news.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!super.zippo.com!zdc!zippo!news said:

>  "There is only one Power which really counts: The Power of
> Political Pressure. We  Jews are the most powerful people on Earth,
> because we have this power, and we know how to apply it."
> 
>  (Jewish Daily Bulletin, 7/27/1935)
	
	That's what the idiots believe, but fortunately, they'll
	destroy themselves before thay have the power to
	exterminate the human race.
-- 
Cheers!


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Subject: LIST Of JEWISH POWERLORDS
Date: 25 Nov 1996 12:26:09 -0800
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nice  writing [ 2240] bytes in <577ik1$2a3@news.quicklink.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!li.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.quicklink.com!usenet said:

> I agree that floor trading is less active on Jewish holidays, but I 
> notice the same on Christian, Muslim and other religious holidays as 
> well as just before FOMC meetings,
> Important government numbers or earnings announcements. You donít have 
> to be Jewish to know this and adjust your trading style accordingly. 
> Jews account for less than 3% of US populations 
	
	Jews and Asians own 60% of the assets of the USA.

>                                                 and officially are not 
> even considered a minority. 
	
	Jews are an Asian sub-race.  It's illegal that they are
	not considered to exist in the census.

>                             But if you think Jews are really that 
> powerful and evil, watch out, because they are GONNA GET YA! 
	
	Thanks for the warning.


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Subject: Theology of Anti-Semitism
Date: 25 Nov 1996 12:15:43 -0800
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Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply  writing [ 1502] bytes in <329ce2fe.48220957@news.netonecom.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.netonecom.net!usenet said:

> In George Bailey's book, "GERMANS," he states that the many
> >Germans who were interviewed at the time of the Eichman trial,
> >who were over 40 years old, most said, the Jews brought the
> >"Final Solution" upon themselves because "they crucified our
> >Lord, Jesus Christ."
	
	No wonder they lost the war.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 06:37:35 PST 1996
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Subject: Split the Ticket! - Vote for CLINTON / KEMP !!
Date: 25 Nov 1996 09:12:11 -0800
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	Better yet, how about a Libertarian ticket of
	Buchanan/Jackson?  Duke/Farrakhan?  Brown/Nader?


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Subject: Afrasians And Their Liberal Squeezetoys
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Jim Walsh  writing [ 4095] bytes in <57bl3f$c2u@keelung.transend.com.tw> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!keelung.transend.com.tw!LYNNWALS said:

> ::This is not true.  There still millions of people of purely Northern
> ::European stock for example and large unmixed populations of White
> ::Europeans. Look at Scandinavia for example.
	
	Right now.  But they are in the same process of
	Afrasianification as the USA last century.

> Since you have yet to provide a biological definition of "White", there is no 
> way to test this hypothesis. What genes are evidence of "white" people. Which 
> genes show that a person is "non-white". If you will answer this question 
> (there seem to be three questions here, but actually, the second two are just 
> detailed versions of the first one), then we can do DNA testing to find out if
> your "hypothesis of "pure White" is true.
> 
> BTW, aren't you the kind who argues that "one drop of non-White" makes one 
> "non-White"? If that is true then, for you, anyone you call "white" must be 
> "pure white". 
	
	OK Jim, go ahead and think of yourself as non-white.  But
	only a white could be confused on this issue.  Our culture
	raised us to be liberal by default.

>               BTW, was your great-great-grandfather white? How do you know? 
> How about you great-great-great-great...?
	
	If I'm Black, then I'm an exceptionaly charitable one, as
	I believe in the right of Europeanism.

> ::Races evolved in isolation, despite whatever elements among them left
> ::to miscegenate elsewhere.  In Europe, non-White were seen as invaders
> ::and treated as such. This isolation obtained for several centuries.
	
	Several thousand centuries for the whites.

> ::The differences between these basic races are obvious in their
> ::appearance.  The African pygmy is obviously different from the Nordic
> ::or Asian.   The peoples of the world can still be classified and
> ::analyzed according to 4 or 5 basic races, even the combination
> ::mixtures which resulted from them.  Obviously, there can be infinite
> ::races from these combinations, but the original races which evolved in
> ::isolation are the components, and still exist unmixed in large
> ::populations.
> 
> OK, now we are getting somewhere. The above looks like science (it isn't, but 
> it looks like it). The "original races". Which evolved in isolation. The word 
> "original" means the first, before the others, right? Is "white" one of the 
> "original" races, or a combination of original races?
> 
> How do you know? You do know, don't you, that we are all descended from the 
> original humans who arose on the African continent. You know that don't you?
	
	So?  The Austrolopithicus is a different race/species, as 
	is the first hominids who migrated from Africa.

	The European race may have evoloved from Neanderthals, a
	different race/species that never existed outside of
	Europe.

	By the way, the African Eve speculation has been dis-proven;
	modern humans did not all come from a specific race.

> ::Liberals would have us believe the
> ::equivalent that a European has more in common with a Afrian than he
> ::does with his own  brother or sister.  There evidently is no depth of
> ::absurdity that the liberal will not descend to in order to deny the
> ::existence of race.

	Afrasian would be good term for color.

> Name one biologist or anthropologist (whether or not s/he is a "liberal") who 
> says that someone is more closely related to an African than to their brothers
> and sisters. No one takes that position. It is a ridiculous position.
	
	"Liberals" are silly, aren't they?

	They like Afrasians better than whites, that's for sure.


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Brian Smith  writing [ 3390] bytes in <57cmro$g1v@is05.micron.net> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news said:

> Rich Graves doesn't like it when Whites stand up against the ongoing
> destruction of America and their race.   When Blacks or Jews stand up
> for their people's interests, Mr. Graves has no problem with that.
> However when Whites do the same, Mr. Graves immediately attacks them.
> It seems Mr. Graves has a "fetish" for attacking White people who care
> about the future of their own race.
	
	"Liberals" aren't specifically anti-white, they're 
	anti-radical; thus they are anti-white in the sense 
	of their opposition to radical change that alone can 
	save Europa from eternal doom.

	Now as for Rich Graves, "he" is non-political, he just
	has a problem with bedbugs.  He can fix that problem with
	a sheet impregnated with Chlordane, unfortunately now
	illegal, but can pick up a gallon or two when he's
	visiting the Bunny House in Tijuana.  It'll also keep the
	termites from eating through his wooden leg.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 06:37:39 PST 1996
Article: 113949 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.religion.christianity,alt.christnet,alt.conspiracy
Subject: JESUS WAS AN ARYAN
Date: 25 Nov 1996 13:15:30 -0800
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Wayne H. Allen  writing [ 1543] bytes in <01bbda09$8bb9efc0$335d06cf@fish> from nexp.crl.com!news.cu-online.com!news9.agis.net!agis!newsgod1.agis.net!agis!news1.agis.net!agis!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!nntp.portal.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n3ott.istar!news.magmacom.com!news.capitalnet.com!news said:

> > 	Jesus was a tall blonde Aryan just like all Christian
> > 	religions have depicted him in paintings.
> 
> 	Then I would suggest you read your bible again, dark skin dark hair.
	
	Refer me to where in the King James Version it says
	Jesus was dark.  Or, are you one the Christians who
	believe whatever capitalist humdrum that the preacher
	says no matter how inconsistent it is with the Bible
	itself?


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 06:37:39 PST 1996
Article: 114022 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Why You Should Boycott Texaco
Date: 25 Nov 1996 12:03:58 -0800
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Brian Carey  writing [ 2725] bytes in <57cd1o$loh@netaxs.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!panix!netaxs.com!not-for-mail said:

> I can't seem to find a Texaco near me.  I've wanted to get all of my gas
> there since Jackson called for the boycott.  I realized also that I could
> use a quart of oil.  I might even pick up a couple of candy bars there if
> I ever find one.
> 
> If anyone knows of a Texaco in Raleigh, NC near the state fairgrounds
> please let me know.
	
	Now you should boycott Texaco, the giant corporation run
	by incompetants, with their setting of bad legal 
	precedents.

	I get the cheapest gas.  Arco is the cheapest name brand
	around here, but I prefer the no-name brands which are 
	almost always considerable cheaper than Arco.

	Chevron, Texaco, Shell, BN, 76, etc., are all overpriced
	rubbish.

	Years of running my vehicle with the lowest octane and
	often the no-name brands and I've never had any problem
	with the fuel injectors or anything else.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 06:37:40 PST 1996
Article: 114024 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.immigration,alt.skinheads,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Anti-Racists Afraid Of Victory
Date: 25 Nov 1996 12:13:26 -0800
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Brian Smith  writing [ 2418] bytes in <57cmrd$g1v@is05.micron.net> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.micron.net!news said:

> >Last I checked the Zulus and friends run South Africa,
> >and the Hispanic people run all of central and south Amercica.
> 
> >So who won again?
> 
> >Sounds like you Aryans won one tiny battle but are losing the
> >war.
> 
> >Actually you lost the war centuries ago and are just too stupid
> >to realize it.  Now would be a good time for you to learn Spanish,
> >or Hebrew.
> 
> In every post on the subject you write, you ridicule as "paranoid"
> those Whites who point out the forces destroying the White race, but
> in this post, you come right out and fully ADMIT the White race is
> being destroyed (Whites are "losing the war").   
	
	She's afraid of white victory or she wouldn't have
	bothered herself on the subject. 

	She's saying:

	'You people can win!  We've got to stop you!'

	A lot of whites fear success because they fear the 
	responsibilities of power.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 06:37:41 PST 1996
Article: 114026 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.jewish,alt.conspiracy,alt.discrimination
Subject: Boycott Black Athletes, Now!
Date: 25 Nov 1996 12:31:05 -0800
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noc2  writing [ 2988] bytes in <577a03$qlu@ka.worldbank.org> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!li.net!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.worldbank.org!usenet said:

> >:       Black athletes are in aggregate a multi-billion dollar industry,
> >:       yet they do not employ black lawyers, managers, agents, etc.
> >
> >:       This certainly is as alarming and discriminatory as the Texaco
> >:       controversy appears to be. Indeed, we may well accuse the
> >:         plaintiffs in the Texaco suit of discrimination for their
> >:       choice of white attorneys over black. This certainly shouldn't
> >:       have happened. The award or settlement in a suit of this nature
> >:       could be huge. Don't black lawyers deserve a chance too?
> >
> >:       And the situation with black athletes is even more shameful.
> >:         Really, if the black athlete doesn't give black attorneys,
> >:         managers, agents a chance, who will?
> >
> >I hate to admit it, but this time the lying, racist, inbreed is right on 
> >the money.  Black athletes should be taken to task over all their 
> >agents, lawyers, doctors, accountants, stock brokers, business partners, 
> >and WIVES being white.
> >
> >Wisdom from the mouth of a neanderthallic, microcephallic, missing-link 
> >style, sloping frontal lobe-having, caveboy like BARD?!!!!
> >
> >I'm telling you, we're living in the last days, the apocalypse is upon us.
> 
> Yo man why you got keep shit goin?
> I have read a lot of BARDs shit, and yes a lot of is 
> over dramatic racist bullshit, that i think he writes 1. to see what
> kind of reaction he can provoke and 2.just to see himself think,
> but a lot of times...he has been the only one to provoke
> a response to something we need to be shaken and awakened to.

	BARD IS A CAPITALIST JEW WHO IS UPSET THAT HE COULDN'T
	RAPE HIS BLACK SECRETARY.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 07:33:12 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: Who the hell is 'Richard E. Depew'?
Date: 19 Nov 1996 14:26:42 -0800
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	Some asshole who abused usenet in a major way, many times.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 07:33:13 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.misc
Subject: RFD: soc.politics.anti-fascism moderated
Date: 18 Nov 1996 17:03:37 -0800
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David Stevens   writing [ 2128] bytes in <328F2C61.47A0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm on news.groups said:

> Cross-posting policy -- as planned on Paul's original RFD --
> might have posed a voting issue earlier. In fact, my [now recanted]
> opposition to Paul as moderator, too, was due to my perception that
> Paul did not really listen to the cross-posting questions. Although
> the RFD has not changed, Paul has shown flexibility and good faith
> in addressing the cross-posting issue. I expect that Paul's
> second RFD will not have cross-posting implications sufficiently
> obnoxious to make me vote NO.
	
	No crossposting should be allowed at all.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 08:07:36 PST 1996
Article: 82041 of alt.revisionism
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.history,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,harvard.general,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Prestigious Rotgut
Date: 25 Nov 1996 15:12:53 -0800
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Rich Graves   writing [ 1887] bytes in <32994570.4585@ix.netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news said:

>                                                     stop putting my name
> and email address in the Reply-To headers of your posts. And I don't
> need two copies of every one of your posts in email, either. 
	
	Have I?  Ain't been done.

>  http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/g/graves.rich
	
	Nizkor is not tracking your posts and you know that,
	liar.


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Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.history,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,harvard.general,talk.politics.mideast
Subject: Prestigious Rotgut
Date: 25 Nov 1996 15:06:46 -0800
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Freddie  writing [ 5040] bytes in <32984b53.69617272@news.gte.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet said:

> >A few days ago, when I mentioned this website in a ZGram, I received a
> >letter from "the editors" - no names given -  informing me that the website
> >was no longer associated with Harvard and was now an independent,
> >non-profit enterprise, retitled "HateWatch".  
> 
> 	Except for a few minor details.  The creation of the "separate"
> organization is a sham that I can pierce in an instant as can anyone
> from Yale law school which at least the Clintons had the sense to
> attend.  
> 
> 	Non-profit status is granted only by the IRS and does not occur
> this quickly so that is clearly a lie by HLS.  
	
	It'd be neat to get this status.  I want to setup
	something like Southern Policy Law Center or the Simon
	Weisenthal Center where I can express political opinions
	tax-free.  With the SPLC and SWC as a legal precedent I
	could even tell all the lies I want about my opponants 
	as an educational effort and draw a fat salary, all 
	with tax-free revenue.

> 	Harvard and Harvard Law School are clearly still behind this
> activity as it was done on Harvard time and equipment and thus is the
> work for hire, the intellectual property of Harvard and HLS.  Thus
> there must be a paper trail with dates of the formal transfer of this
> intellectual property from Harvard to this organization that has maybe
> or maybe not appllied for non-profit status to the IRS.  
	
	Which means Haravrd is subsiding a political group,
	certainly not the first.  Why, the whole Harvard Business
	School is just a political group operating under the 
	guise of economics education.

> 	Without the paperwork supporting that transfer it is still a
> product and an activity of Harvard and HLS.  But we all know that.  
	
	Which would mean if the libels of HateWatch were to be
	challenged, Harvard would be quick to make those papers
	available, as would HateWatch would be quick to say it's
	still owned by Harvard, as the self-interests draw the
	knife.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 08:56:51 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Definition Of White Race
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:10:36 -0800
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Nizkor's handler  writing [ 4377] bytes in <32946e47.129719008@news.gte.net> from nexp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!news.llv.com!news.probe.net!news.maxrnd.com!news.keyway.net!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.charm.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet said:

> >in da mean time, down on ya knees and kiss my superior circuncision.
> >
> >Shalom on me und I pee on thee...
> 
> 	Rather it is like post WW I Germany where they bribed their way
> into positions of power and influence.  So to today, they are
> unofficially given preference in the schools and in the media and in
> Hollywood.  As there are a mere seven IQ points difference in the mean
> and the mean IQ of these professions is not all that high, there is
> little else to account for the over representation.  
	
	Intelligence tests have shown Jews to be the most
	intellectually challenged people of Europe, right below
	the Gypsies.


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Subject: Are There Races?
Date: 25 Nov 1996 15:56:17 -0800
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Terry Hallinan  writing [ 5401] bytes in <578908$215@ns2.borg.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!ico.net!news.zeitgeist.net!wizard.pn.com!news.gte.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns2.borg.com!usenet said:

> Orientals?  You mean like the Ainu ("hairy ones") of Japan.  They are
> an indigenous people who were there when the Japanese we know best
> invaded.  Today this primitive people are best noted for their crafts
> and even have reservations.  They are characterized by light skin,
> blue eyes, and blonde hair - lots of it.

	Liar.  They look Oriental.

> I can just see the signs in the bars now:  "We Do Not Serve Minors,
> Pregnant Women, or Orientals.  Irishmen Particularly Appreciated"
	
	Anti-Irish scumbag.  You're just a worthless Jew.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 08:57:55 PST 1996
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Subject: O.J. Simpson
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:15:53 -0800
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Frank Walters  writing [ 2200] bytes in <01bbdb16$006800c0$d82270c2@skynet> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!dircon!usenet said:

> > THE JURY HAD AN I.Q. THAT COULD BE COUNTED ON ONE HAND.
> > THEY WERE RACIST AND BIASED. WHY WAS OJ DRIVING AROUND IN THE BRONCO
> > WITH A PASSPORT, $8000 IN CASH AND A FAKE BEARD AND MUSTACHE?   MAYBE HE
> > WAS JUST GOING TO A COSTUME PARTY!
> 
> Now this is an important point that seems to be missed or overlooked by the
> majority of posters in this group. We, as observers, were  privileged to
> more information/evidence than the jurors. The car chase, O.J's
> incriminating statement to the police and other evidence was not submitted
> during the trial by the prosecution. Strategic errors were obviously made
> at this point, which would have forced O.J to take the stand. If any fault
> is to be  apportioned, then it must be laid at the foot of the prosecution.
> I believe that the jurors came to a 'surprising' but not unreasonable
> verdict based on the evidence presented to them.
	
	The judge and prosecution should be put on trial for
	committing a travesty of justice.  No true socialist
	could defend any of the personalities that showed up
	in court.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 08:57:55 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Why Would An Atheist Attend Black Churches?
Date: 25 Nov 1996 15:49:53 -0800
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Andy Walton  writing [ 2342] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!news.infomagic.com!news.west.net!coconut!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!news.pbi.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!news.mindspring.com!user-168-121-30-194.dialup.mindspring.com!user said:

> a friend who is not a believer, but is studying gospel as a musical form;
> it's one of the most unrestrained expressions of emotion found in music,
> and forms the basis of jazz, rock, and R&B.

	No, the basis of jazz, rock, R&B, and many other musical
	forms, is European folk music, all white.  The white man
	invented harmony, and this lead to many musical forms.
	The other African American forms were copied from redneck
	folk music.

> Second, many people attend many churches for social as much as religious
> reasons; the openness and fellowship you describe are welcome even to
> non-believers.
	
	Yes, including white atheists.


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Subject: WHY DO REPUBLICANS WANT ASSAULT WEAPONS?
Date: 25 Nov 1996 15:18:48 -0800
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JEL   writing [ 3513] bytes in <32986400.4EE9@ime.net> from nexp.crl.com!news.cu-online.com!news9.agis.net!agis!newsgod1.agis.net!agis!news3.agis.net!agis!cancer.vividnet.com!news.wildstar.net!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!news.ime.net!not-for-mail said:

> > If we had a straight popular vote election, candidates would only
> > campaign in the most populated areas of the country, and thus only cater
> > to the needs of the people in these areas.  Consequently, all of America
> > is not represented.  The electoral college keeps them addressing issues
> > in every state.
> 
> In every state?
> 
> Like in Wyoming, with 3 electors, or in Vermont, with 3 electors, or in
> N. Dakota, with 3 electors, or in Maine, with 4 electors or .......?
> 
> Or in California, with 56 electors, or in Texas with .....?
> 
> California, Texas, Florida, New York, Pennsylvania, etc got a hell of a
> lot more attention than the states with only a few electors. 
	
	It would be far worse with a straight national vote.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 08:57:58 PST 1996
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Subject: O.J. SIMPSON'S VICTORY AGAINST RACISM
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:05:06 -0800
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Willy Ramos   writing [ 2375] bytes in <32978932.0@news3.paonline.com> from nexp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!li.net!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.sgi.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!news3.paonline.com!sl8.elink.net said:

> >The one time something goes in favor of the black man over white people
> >all the white people bitch and complain about injustice.  My only comment
> >is you now know what it's like to be black!  
> 
> Your comments are an insult to black people. The vast majority of black 
> people are decent hard-working citizens. Your ignorant comments reveal 
> your own inadequacies and insecurities.
	
	Yet, they do nothing to control their anti-white
	criminals.

> No respectable human being whether black, white, red, or paisley would 
> feel redeemed by having a murderer walk free. I agree that the black 
> person has been especially persecuted in this country. You are also 
> correct that the black person has had more than their fair share of 
> injustice.
	
	Black people have won victories over the whites ever
	since the fifteenth century.

> To say that the verdict of the O.J. trial was something "in favor" of the 
> black man is ridiculous. This was never a black vs. white issue. This was 
> a murder trial. In desperation, O.J.'s legal defense team concocted this 
> conspiracy theory. It is chock full of holes but the jury bought it. 
> O.J.'s defense team irresponsibly introduced the race issue into an 
> already troubled venue.
	
	It was a race issue from the beginning of OJ's popularity
	in the sixties.  It's been a solid victory of the Black
	race over the white for centuries, and his trial was no
	exception.


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: TO BREED IS TO LIVE!  TO BREED IS TO LOVE!
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:19:59 -0800
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Rad  writing [ 1215] bytes in <01bbdb21$103f2cc0$c9c2aec7@default> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!news said:

> > Rad's praise of his earlier posting masturbatory is fair comment.
> 
> Well guys, I've had lot's of both, and masturbation is a lot less trouble.
> And I'm always with someone I love.
	
	Get breeding, already.  The more white children the
	better!

	Cheers!


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: THE DAILY VICTORY OF CAPITALIST CENSORSHIP
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Rich Graves   writing [ 1749] bytes in <3299580F.15F6@ix.netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news said:

> And of course I'm still blocked from Declan McCullagh's so-called 
> fight-censorship list 
	
	Because you're in favour of capitalist censorship?


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Why Has It Been Said That The Bible Is "Anti-Semitic?"
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Anonymous   writing [ 1338] bytes in <199611241847.KAA21952@mailmasher.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news1.mpcs.com!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news said:

> Why Has it Been Said That the Bible Is "Anti-Semitic?"
> 
> Well, read the Bible and find out why.
	
	Especially read the Jefferson Bible, which I'll put
	online soon, to educate Christians on the values of our
	founding fathers.


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: a small quote: #2
Date: 25 Nov 1996 17:56:42 -0800
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dckom  writing [ 1516] bytes in <329b1bc5.26407286@news.atlcom.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet said:

> > Revolution must happen inside of us before it achieved in
> > reality...A cop sleeps inside each of us-it is necessary
> > to kill him!
> >
> > -Graffiti, may '68
	
	That revolution is the feeling of radical emotions.  The
	cop inside is the urge to capitulate to the ruling
	powers.


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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Leave blacks alone
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:31:05 -0800
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Richard A. Hernandez  writing [ 1731] bytes in <01bbda8a$70892a00$4c75d6ce@default> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news said:

> > > Leave blacks alone.they are doing a good job killing themselves off.How
> > > many times are we going to save them.You can take them out of the
> > > jungle,but you can't take the jungle out of them.
> > 
> > Multi-national corporations, colonial governments and other economic
> > interests in the industrialized world don't leave African nations alone
> > when they can profit from them while at the same time encouraging
> > instability and corruption so only a spineless coward would not have the
> > moral dignity to help when crises emerge. 
> 
> Oh, you mean Multi-national corporations exploiting Africans and plundering
> African natural resources like ummmmm DeBeers? Now, who is it that controls
> that company and virtually the entire planet's diamond industry?

	Jews!  And it was corrupt politicians in Britain who
	invaded Africa to help Jewish concerns.

> Better luck next time, Eager Beaver!
	
	He wishes, but he's still a virgin.


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dckom  writing [ 1516] bytes in <329b1bc5.26407286@news.atlcom.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news-in.iadfw.net!usenet said:

> > Revolution must happen inside of us before it achieved in
> > reality...A cop sleeps inside each of us-it is necessary
> > to kill him!
> >
> > -Graffiti, may '68
	
	That revolution is the feeling of radical emotions.  The
	cop inside is the urge to capitulate to the ruling
	powers.


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Rich Graves   writing [ 1749] bytes in <3299580F.15F6@ix.netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news said:

> And of course I'm still blocked from Declan McCullagh's so-called 
> fight-censorship list 
	
	Because you're in favour of capitalist censorship?


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 09:47:28 PST 1996
Article: 50413 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power,alt.christnet,alt.religion.christian
Subject: Why Has It Been Said That The Bible Is "Anti-Semitic?"
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:35:04 -0800
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Anonymous   writing [ 1338] bytes in <199611241847.KAA21952@mailmasher.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news1.mpcs.com!anon.lcs.mit.edu!nym.alias.net!mail2news said:

> Why Has it Been Said That the Bible Is "Anti-Semitic?"
> 
> Well, read the Bible and find out why.
	
	Especially read the Jefferson Bible, which I'll put
	online soon, to educate Christians on the values of our
	founding fathers.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 09:47:29 PST 1996
Article: 50471 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Leave blacks alone
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:31:05 -0800
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Richard A. Hernandez  writing [ 1731] bytes in <01bbda8a$70892a00$4c75d6ce@default> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.webspan.net!ix.netcom.com!news said:

> > > Leave blacks alone.they are doing a good job killing themselves off.How
> > > many times are we going to save them.You can take them out of the
> > > jungle,but you can't take the jungle out of them.
> > 
> > Multi-national corporations, colonial governments and other economic
> > interests in the industrialized world don't leave African nations alone
> > when they can profit from them while at the same time encouraging
> > instability and corruption so only a spineless coward would not have the
> > moral dignity to help when crises emerge. 
> 
> Oh, you mean Multi-national corporations exploiting Africans and plundering
> African natural resources like ummmmm DeBeers? Now, who is it that controls
> that company and virtually the entire planet's diamond industry?

	Jews!  And it was corrupt politicians in Britain who
	invaded Africa to help Jewish concerns.

> Better luck next time, Eager Beaver!
	
	He wishes, but he's still a virgin.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 09:49:09 PST 1996
Article: 161 of alt.music.white-power
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.groups,alt.music.white-power
Subject: REC.MUSIC.WHITE-POWER
Date: 18 Nov 1996 15:35:33 -0800
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Jim   writing [ 1110] bytes in <56ab4d$1dlb@newsgate.sps.mot.com> from nexp.crl.com!omen.cryptic.com!nntp.crl.com!LSNT1!news.silcom.com!news.west.net!hsnx.wco.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!newshub.csu.net!csulb.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!spstimes.sps.mot.com!newsdist.sps.mot.com!newsgate.sps.mot.com!usenet on news.groups said:

> Although I won't advocate re-opening this particular issue, 
> I do have to point out that it's been more than six months
> since rec.music.white-power was voted down, and somebody
> could raise a new legitimate RFD.
	
	This time it should be by a legitimate proponant.


From varange@crl.com Tue Nov 26 09:51:26 PST 1996
Article: 91063 of soc.culture.german
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Subject: JEWS ARE ASIATIC
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:37:18 -0800
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	Jews are Oriental, case closed.


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:20 PST 1996
Article: 82085 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,soc.history,alt.revisionism
Subject: On The Bolshevik Revolution
Date: 25 Nov 1996 18:34:53 -0800
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Mark Van Alstine  writing [ 1860] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.texas.net!news1.best.com!nntp1.best.com!rbi142.rbi.com!user said:

> > "The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish
> > brains, of Jewish  dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is
> > to create a new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent
> > a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish 
> > dissatisfaction and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same
> > Jewish mental an physical forces, become a reality all over the
> > world."        (The American Hebrew, September 10, 1920)
	
	True, but it was the blood and guts of the Russians who
	were the true soul of the revolution.  The Mensheviks,
	Trostyites and other infiltrators just grafted their own 
	globalist vision onto a worthwhile cause.

	National Socialism, socialism in one country, lives on!
	Thanks to Comrade Stalin who introduced it; Comrade
	Hitler developing it further by eliminating the
	internationalist goal that underlies Comrade Stalin's
	theory.

>  "Today I will once more be a prophet:  If the international Jewish
> financiers inside and outside Europe should again succeed in plunging
> the nations into a world war, the result will be...the annhilation of
> the Jewish race throughout Europe."
> 
>      - Adolf  Hitler in his speech to the Reichstag;  January 30, 1939.
	
	A false prophet, he?  No, Jews are destroying themselves
	at an amazing rate.  If it wasn't for Hitler, Jews 
	wouldn't have been as accepted in the West as they are 
	now.  Hitler paved the way for today's destruction of the
	Jews through miscegentaion, thus again establishing 
	Hitler, the intellectual, as prophet.
	
> "Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes 
> not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties--but
> right through every human heart--and all human hearts." 
> 
> -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn, "The Gulag Archipelago"

	The Gulag Archipelago series are straffed with
	anti-semitism, in contrast to a lot of anti-capitalist
	junk that the New York Times drools over.  Solzhenitsyn
	did a fine job double-crossing the Jews who initialized
	his favour in the West.
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:21 PST 1996
Article: 82087 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: LIST Of JEWISH POWERLORDS
Date: 25 Nov 1996 18:40:32 -0800
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SENAKA BALASURIYA  writing [ 1969] bytes in <57d5mc$1fs8@r02n01.cac.psu.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!farman!sxb41 said:

> : 	Jews are an Asian sub-race.  It's illegal that they are
> : 	not considered to exist in the census.
> 
> You mean, african jews, (ethiopians) , white jews, and indian jews are of the
> same race ? 
	
	African Jews are African; white Jews are white; Indian
	Jews are Indian; Asknezic Jews are Asian; Sephardic Jews
	are Asian.  Any questions?
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:22 PST 1996
Article: 82088 of alt.revisionism
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master   writing [ 2479] bytes in <329A3067.7981@cadvision.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.sgi.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!CTCnet!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.cadvision.com!usenet said:

> GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS NEWS GROUP

	THEN YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY NEWS GROUP!
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:22 PST 1996
Article: 82089 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: AGRESSIVE SPAMMER GORD MCFEE
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Gord McFee  writing [ 1930] bytes in <57anst$foc$5@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.stealth.net!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net!not-for-mail said:

> Of course, it is the drunken criminal Hitlerhugger Giwer, posting from his
> 99th ISP of the year.
	
	Have you nothing more constructive to say?
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:23 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.revisionism,soc.history
Subject: Responsibility For WW I
Date: 25 Nov 1996 19:04:37 -0800
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Chris Carpenter  writing [  818] bytes in <32970d9e.123361@news.zippo.com> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!news.eng.convex.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!super.zippo.com!zdc!zippo!news said:

>  "The responsibility for the last World War [WW I] rests solely
> upon the shoulders of  the international financiers. It is upon them
> that rests the blood of millions of dead and millions  of dying."
> 
> (Congressional Record, 67th Congress, 4th Session, Senate Document No. 346)
	
	Unfortunately, there weren't enough good guys in Congress
	to rebuff Wilson and House.  They were too corrupt by
	that time to prevent the war.

	The entire leftist press was against the war; the Jewish 
	press, of all political persuasions, were ardently for 
	the war.  Eugene Debbs went to prison for agitating
	against the war.  He recieved over a million votes for
	president while in prison, running under the Socialist
	Party ticket.
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:24 PST 1996
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Subject: BOYCOTTING AUSTRALIA
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Raj Thomas  writing [ 2225] bytes in <329bfa5c.7208383@news.sydney.apana.org.au> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!metro!metro!inferno.mpx.com.au!goliath.apana.org.au!news said:

> >The problem with boycotts is it would harm the anti-racists in Australia
> >as well as the racists. 
> 
> True.
> This was used for years as an argument against boycotting South Africa.

	That wasn't the reason that South Africa wasn't
	boycotted.  You see, a boycott would have hurt the
	Oppenheimers, capitalist lords of all sub-Saharan Africa.
	Fake "Leftists" didn't agitate for a true boycott because
	it would hurt the Oppenheimers, the owners of Apartheid
	South Africa.

	Why isn't the African National Congress confiscating the
	assets of capitalists?  The ANC has officers who come
	directly from Oppenheimer boardrooms!  The ANC and SWAPO
	are gutless capitulators, as was the National Party and
	other parties of the Apartheid epoch.
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:25 PST 1996
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Subject: LIST Of JEWISH POWERLORDS
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Alvin Nichter   writing [ 2853] bytes in <57ffdm$1ga@nnrp1.farm.idt.net> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!gramercy.ios.com!not-for-mail said:

> : 	African Jews are African; white Jews are white; Indian
> : 	Jews are Indian; Asknezic Jews are Asian; Sephardic Jews
> : 	are Asian.  Any questions?
> 
> The term "Caucasian" refers to people from, or descended from, the
> people of the Caucasus.  The Caucasus is a region extending from
> the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea --- in other words, a region of Asia.
> Caucasians, who are "white", are Asian or of Asian descent;
> that's why anthropologists refer to "white" people as Caucasians.
	
	You're are getting regions and races confused.
	Europeans who migrated to Asia didn't turn "Asian" 
	by their mere choice of residence.

> BTW, the term "Aryan" refers to a particular Caucasian sub-group.
> For example, the Kurds, who live in northern Iran, northern Iraq,
> and southern Turkey, are Aryans.  

	Yes, aryans founded Persian culture.  Contempory Berbers,
	many Indians, etc., are part aryan, but it's a misnomer
	to refer to part aryans as aryan unless you are talking
	specifically about linguistics and/or history.

>                                   Ask any anthropologist.
	
	You mean linguist, don't you?

> And yes, many Kurds have blue or green eyes.
> 
> In other words, a people can be "white", Caucasian, Asian, and Aryan,
> all at the same time.  To distinguish between "white" and Asian,
> as Troy Varange does, is meaningless.  The Jews whom he calls
> Asian are "white".
	
	The strong streak of Asian blood in the Ashkenazim would
	be of Asia, as thay are part Asian.
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:26 PST 1996
Article: 82313 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.revisionism
Subject: Attack Of The Sara Spam
Date: 27 Nov 1996 13:58:43 -0800
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	As you can read in my response, I made a perfectly
	reasonable commentary on Sara's usenet article, one
	of her imflammatory attacks on communism.  But she
	calls this "harassment," an attack on my pride and
	reputation.  Her false accusation is in itself a form of
	harassment as well as an abuse of system services.

> From schwartz@infinet.com Wed Nov 27 13:42:44 1996
> Received: from mail1.infinet.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA05540
>   (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:42:41 -0800
> Received: from [206.103.242.42] (cmh-p059.infinet.com [206.103.242.61]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA23973; Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:41:38 -0500 (EST)
> Message-Id: 
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:43:17 -0500
> To: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
> From: schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)
> Subject: Re: Gus Hall On Christians
> Cc: postmaster@crl.com, abuse@crl.com
> Status: RO
> 
> This is unsolicited e-mail. It is also unwelcome, especially when it
> contains accusations, name-calling, and racist statements.
> 
> Please do not e-mail me again or I will consider it harassment.
> 
> Copied to your postmaster.
> 
> >Sara aka Perrrfect  writing [ 2348] bytes in
> > from
> >nexp.crl.com!news.cu-online.com!news9.agis.net!agis!newspeer1.agis.net!agis
> >!news1.exit109.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.n
> >et!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.
> >net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infinet.com!schwartz said:
> >
> >> Organizations like YAWF and other so-called Socialist organizations are
> >> notoriously anti-Zionist and usually anti-Semitic as well.
> >
> >        Liar.  The reason that Communism failed in America was
> >        because it was started by Jews, always the one to argue
> >        for capitulation. Since the market is now Jewish, they pull
> >        their punches because their first goal has already been
> >        met.  Now wealthy communists simply advocate that the
> >        rich should only be made up of non-whites, rather than a
> >        disspossession of the rich because that would be the
> >        downfall of Jewish power.
> >
> >--
> >Cheers!
> 
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:27 PST 1996
Article: 82314 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Definition Of White Race
Date: 27 Nov 1996 09:52:06 -0800
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Gord McFee  writing [ 1599] bytes in <57hbc6$bb8$1@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> from nexp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net!not-for-mail said:

> :>>         Intelligence tests have shown Jews to be the most
> :>>         intellectually challenged people of Europe, right below
> :>>         the Gypsies.
> :>
> :>I love this stuff.
> :> 
> :>Jews are stupid.
> :>Jews own/run/control everything.
> :> 
> :>That sure says a whole lot for you "Aryan" fellows doesn't it?
> 
> I guess it says that us Aryan fellas ain't too bright.  };->
	
	So now you're saying that Jews are aryan?

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:28 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: More Net Abuse From Sara
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> I sure wouldn't call "liar" a "perfectly reasonable commentary." I'd call
> it inflammatory, and just plain nasty.
	
	Sara is clearly immflamatory on the kook groups, well
	beyond just calling someone a liar.

> Sorry you got dragged into it. Can you correspond with this person's ISP
> and request that he cease e-mailing me?
	
	Can you refrain this user from harassing CRL with phoney
	complaints?

> >        As you can read in my response, I made a perfectly
> >        reasonable commentary on Sara's usenet article, one
> >        of her imflammatory attacks on communism.  But she
> >        calls this "harassment," an attack on my pride and
> >        reputation.  Her false accusation is in itself a form of
> >        harassment as well as an abuse of system services.
> >
> >> From schwartz@infinet.com Wed Nov 27 13:42:44 1996
> >> Received: from mail1.infinet.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA05540
> >>   (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 27 Nov 1996 13:42:41 -0800
> >> Received: from [206.103.242.42] (cmh-p059.infinet.com [206.103.242.61])
> >>by mail1.infinet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA23973; Wed, 27 Nov
> >>1996 16:41:38 -0500 (EST)
> >> Message-Id: 
> >> Mime-Version: 1.0
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:43:17 -0500
> >> To: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
> >> From: schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)
> >> Subject: Re: Gus Hall On Christians
> >> Cc: postmaster@crl.com, abuse@crl.com
> >> Status: RO
> >>
> >> This is unsolicited e-mail. It is also unwelcome, especially when it
> >> contains accusations, name-calling, and racist statements.
> >>
> >> Please do not e-mail me again or I will consider it harassment.
> >>
> >> Copied to your postmaster.
> >>
> >> >Sara aka Perrrfect  writing [ 2348] bytes in
> >> > from
> >> >nexp.crl.com!news.cu-online.com!news9.agis.net!agis!newspeer1.agis.net!agis
> >> >!news1.exit109.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.n
> >> >et!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.
> >> >net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infinet.com!schwartz said:
> >> >
> >> >> Organizations like YAWF and other so-called Socialist organizations are
> >> >> notoriously anti-Zionist and usually anti-Semitic as well.
> >> >
> >> >        Liar.  The reason that Communism failed in America was
> >> >        because it was started by Jews, always the one to argue
> >> >        for capitulation. Since the market is now Jewish, they pull
> >> >        their punches because their first goal has already been
> >> >        met.  Now wealthy communists simply advocate that the
> >> >        rich should only be made up of non-whites, rather than a
> >> >        disspossession of the rich because that would be the
> >> >        downfall of Jewish power.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Cheers!
> >>
> >--
> >Cheers!
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:29 PST 1996
Article: 82325 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Attack Of The Sara Spam
Date: 27 Nov 1996 15:39:05 -0800
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	And yet you continue harrassing me in your post:

Sara aka Perrrfect  writing [ 3245] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.pbi.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infinet.com!schwartz said:

> Fascinating that Mr. Varange would:
>  
> a) Respond to a simple request NOT to e-mail me by e-mailing me again.
> 
> b) refer to the word "Liar" as a "perfectly reasonable commentary."
> 
> and
> 
> c) call a single letter to his ISP a "spam." I believe Mr. Varange needs a
> few dictionary lessons.
> 
> 
> He not only e-mailed this to me, but to my ISP, whoi laughed at it.
>  
> Sorry Mr. Varange, it didn't work.
>  
> And again, please stop e-mailing me.
>  
> Sara
> 
> In article , varange@crl.com (Troy Varange) wrote:
> 
> >         As you can read in my response, I made a perfectly
> >         reasonable commentary on Sara's usenet article, one
> >         of her imflammatory attacks on communism.  But she
> >         calls this "harassment," an attack on my pride and
> >         reputation.  Her false accusation is in itself a form of
> >         harassment as well as an abuse of system services.
> > 
> 
> 
> I have never made an "imflammatory" [sic] attack on Communism. I have never
> made ANY attack on Communism. What I did was respond to a lie written by
> Mr. Varange (that Gus Hall was Jewish).
	
	I never claimed that.  You attacked communism by calling
	it antisemitic, which would also be an attack on Gus
	Hall.

> THAT was not the harassment.
	
	Yes, it is.  You know Chris posted that, not me.

> The harassment was Mr. Varange e-mailing me. Which he is continuing to do.
	
	Cc'ing a post is not harrassment.  Usenet is designed for
	cc's.  They're called Courtesy Copies.

> > > From schwartz@infinet.com Wed Nov 27 13:42:44 1996
> 
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:43:17 -0500
> > > To: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
> > > From: schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect)
> > > Subject: Re: Gus Hall On Christians
> > > Cc: postmaster@crl.com, abuse@crl.com
> > > 
> > > This is unsolicited e-mail. It is also unwelcome, especially when it
> > > contains accusations, name-calling, and racist statements.
> > > 
> > > Please do not e-mail me again or I will consider it harassment.
> > > 
> > > Copied to your postmaster.
> > > 
> > > >Sara aka Perrrfect  said:
> > > >
> > > >> Organizations like YAWF and other so-called Socialist organizations are
> > > >> notoriously anti-Zionist and usually anti-Semitic as well.
> > > >
> > > >        Liar.  The reason that Communism failed in America was
> > > >        because it was started by Jews, always the one to argue
> > > >        for capitulation. Since the market is now Jewish, they pull
> > > >        their punches because their first goal has already been
> > > >        met.  Now wealthy communists simply advocate that the
> > > >        rich should only be made up of non-whites, rather than a
> > > >        disspossession of the rich because that would be the
> > > >        downfall of Jewish power.
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Cheers!
> > > 
> > -- 
> > Cheers!
> 
> -- 
> "I do not mind lying, but I hate inaccuracy."
>                  Samuel Butler
> 


-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:29 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Gus Hall On Christians
Date: 27 Nov 1996 11:59:45 -0800
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Sara aka Perrrfect  writing [ 2348] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!news.cu-online.com!news9.agis.net!agis!newspeer1.agis.net!agis!news1.exit109.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!hunter.premier.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.infinet.com!schwartz said:

> Organizations like YAWF and other so-called Socialist organizations are
> notoriously anti-Zionist and usually anti-Semitic as well.
	
	Liar.  The reason that Communism failed in America was
	because it was started by Jews, always the one to argue
	for capitulation. Since the market is now Jewish, they pull
	their punches because their first goal has already been 
	met.  Now wealthy communists simply advocate that the
	rich should only be made up of non-whites, rather than a
	disspossession of the rich because that would be the
	downfall of Jewish power.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:30 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Those Poor Jewish Billionaires!
Date: 27 Nov 1996 12:05:10 -0800
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R  writing [ 3638] bytes in <329adb47.91686137@news.gte.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news1.gte.net!usenet said:

> >>and now is faced with their claiming to have deposited billions in
> >>cash assets as he has no answer.
> >>
> >>	They were poor, they were helpless, they had billions to transfer.
> >
> >A Billion $ sounds like alot until you put it in perspective.  
> >Per capita, this would be $100 per person if you assume 10 million Jews in
> >Europe during this time. 
> 
> 	1)  The claim is that after 50 years of finding and returning
> assets billions still remain.  Thus some 90% of the assets have
> already been returned.  
> 
> 	2)In that regard we are talking on the order of $1000 per person
> and given the change in exchange and inflation rates from your initial
> $100, that $1000 would be on the order of several years income.  
> 
> 	3)  Assets would be by family and by family sizes of the time your
> $100 per person would be on the order of $500 to $600 per family and
> this subject to the inflation nad exchange rates noted.  
> 
> 	4)  These are liquid assests only that could have been transferred,
> hard currency cash as in bank to bank, unless you hypothesize they had
> passports and the wherewithall to travel and the financial acumen to
> open Swiss accounts.  
> 
> 	5)  You are also assuming that all of these families possessed this
> acumen and foresight.  If only half did we double the per family cash
> assets.  
> 
> 	6)  If they had this acumen then they did not have more than 20% of
> their assets in cash.    
> 
> 	Clearly what we are left with is an extortion campaign against the
> banks.  They are claiming enormous amounts based upon the "rich jew"
> stereotype without having the balls to admit it.  
	
	Is there any doubt that Judiasm is simply a business and
	nothing more?

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:03:31 PST 1996
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Marc DeMartini  writing [ 1434] bytes in <57fnsr$bj7@nntp1.u.washington.edu> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!EU.net!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!root said:

> P.S.-I think that it is time that this string gets cut!  I'd rather discuss
> investment theory rather than racist mythology here.
	
	But isn't it helping you in the market?  You should know
	this stuff before venturing into futures or a hedge fund.
-- 
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From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:24:05 PST 1996
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Andrew Carol  writing [ 3152] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!olivea!bznews.apple.com!nntp1.apple.com!macip-ara-120.apple.com!user said:

> It doesn't matter how we defeat you, only that we already have.  You do
> not see the end.  We won two thousand years ago when we nailed your
> king to a tree.  We laughed then, and we are laughing now even as your
> defeat is revealed to you.  Your puny efforts are centuries too late.
> 
> I am a Jew and I thrive on harming the Aryans.  I take up the struggle
> for this world from my fathers who took it from his father.
> 
> We are all sworn to destroy the Aryan race.  Once that is done, then
> our Master will accend the Throne of this world and give us dominion
> over the remnents of the scattered Aryan peoples.
> 
> We desire to enslave the Aryan and to obtain the Christian blood
> which is so important for our dark rituals.
> 
> Better learn to speak another langage now!  Perhaps you could become
> a domestic or farmworker.  Learning Spanish may help you find a job
> working for a Hispanic family.  Doing their cleaning, washing, or
> other work to earn your meager pay.  Aryan children will have no
> need to learn to even read or write as they will be used simply
> as 'living cows' to supply their blood for our secret uses in
> the service of He-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed.
> 
> We of the New World Order will elevate our supporters from the
> Hispanic, Black, and Native cultures to be your overlords. Each
> will be given an estate to rule with a peasant class of Aryans
> to do the work.
	
	You are confused about Judiasm. 

	The Jewish aim is the creation of a paradise on earth.
	For this purpose, as is stated in the later Holy Books,
	the righteous will creep into the promised land from
	their graves all over the world, emerging through holes
	bored in the earth by unknown forces solely for them.
	The Targum, the Midraschim and the Talmud, describe with
	delight this magnificent state of affairs in the
	paradise.  The chosen people will then rule over the
	entire world.  All other peoples will become its
	slaves.  They will die and be born again in order to go
	anew to hell.  The Jews will lead a blessed life on
	earth.  Jurusalem will be rebuilt in the most splendid
	way.  The Sabbath boundaries will be set with jewels and
	pearls.  If anyone should have debts to pay, then he
	will need only tear a pearl from the hedge and he will
	become free of obligations.  Fruit will ripen every
	month, grapes will grow as large as an entire room,
	grain will grow of its own accord, wind will blow the
	corn together and the Jews will only need to shovel up
	the meal.  Eight hundred varieties of roses will grow in
	the gardens and streams of milk, balsam, honey and wine
	will flow through Palestine.  Under every vine will
	stand a table of jewels.  In this paradise eight hundred
	flowers will bloom.  In the midst the Tree of Life will
	grow, radiating five hundred thousand kinds of taste and
	scent.  Seven clouds will lie over the tree and the Jews
	will knock its branches so that its magnificent perfume
	is wafted from one end of the world to the other.


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:24:06 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: O.J. SIMPSON'S VICTORY AGAINST RACISM
Date: 27 Nov 1996 11:14:20 -0800
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SoDaPoP  writing [ 2001] bytes in <32a044c0.54212080@news.total.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!news.total.net!news said:

> >> To say that the verdict of the O.J. trial was something "in favor" of the 
> >> black man is ridiculous. This was never a black vs. white issue. This was 
> >> a murder trial. In desperation, O.J.'s legal defense team concocted this 
> >> conspiracy theory. It is chock full of holes but the jury bought it. 
> >> O.J.'s defense team irresponsibly introduced the race issue into an 
> >> already troubled venue.
> >	
> Wrong! The jury knows exactly what went on. They aquitted to send a
> strong message to the females of America. Watch your P's and Q's, show
> your hubbies all the respect you can, and don't back-mouth him, or
> selse suffer the consequences. The courts will not tolerate husband
> abuse, nor condone it. You bad girls could learn a lesson here from
> Nicole, but you don't seem to be getting the message. Pity. SoDaPoP
	
	In a truly European culture, she'd have killed him, or at
	least have put up a good fight.  Thanks to our culture of
	submission, she is the one who died.
	
	As for abuse of women, violence has been proven to be the
	most succeessful prevention and cure.  In the future
	patriotic paradise, the state will take care about the
	"OJ's" of the nation with knives.  However, because we
	are under the heel of a corrupt dictatorship, females
	have to fare for themselves.  Use a frying pan, or
	whatever, and aim for the groin, in his sleep, if you
	must.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:24:07 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: BOAS, THE POLITICIAN
Date: 27 Nov 1996 10:37:51 -0800
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Laura Finsten   writing [ 3057] bytes in <57g4cf$bpd@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!torn!hone!informer1.cis.McMaster.CA!usenet said:

> You are correct that addressing a scientific academy does not
> mean that one's views and research are "endorsed" by the
> academy.  However, it is generally a pretty sure sign that one
> is not widely viewed within the scientific community as "a bit
> of a joke", to use Bob's descriptive phrase.  Let's think of a
> couple of more recent examples that might make this point.
> How many archaeological conferences has Erich von Daniken been
> invited to address?  How many historical conferences have
> invited Arthur Butz or Ernst Zundel to share their "views" on
> the Holocaust?
	
	Politics.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:35:49 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: WEALTHY BOHEMIANS ARE SCUM
Date: 25 Nov 1996 16:46:10 -0800
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nickle  writing [ 6923] bytes in <577c1a$cef@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!qualcomm.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.idt.net!nntp-hub.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!news said:

> 	I lived in Oakland, CA for a while.  And predominately what i saw a
> lot of was white punks that are moving into North Oakland and helping
> with the Gentrification process of North Oakland.  Most are punk kids
> whom origionally came from middle class homes but because of current
> U.S. economic situation, a lot of us will never be able to move into
> the same class neighborhoods in which we were raised.  We have to find
> cheaper housing when we move out of our home.  This is not our choice
> but because of decreasing living standards in the U.S.  
> 	This is a pattern repeated historically in the U.S.:  Poor
> neighborhood, slightly wealthier bohemians move in, makes way for
> redevelopment, the middle class move in, poor forced out.
> 	I feel that alot of my N. Oakland white punk peers had no respect for
> the neighborhood that they moved to.  Loud parties, drinking, non
> respect for neighbors, snotty attitudes and not friendly to locals.  I
> would kick a white punks ass too!!! I feel that we do not ask the
> question that is most important.  We would rather the blame be put on
> "reverse-racism" or other such mythical theoretical crap.  If us Punk
> bohemians took a more active role in stopping gentrification and
> racism, then collectively, our neighbors would think differently of
> us.  So the question is, how do we help poor communities rather than
> destroy them?
> 	We do contribute to gentrification and thus racism by moving into
> poorer neighborhoods.  But until we stop clashing and start being more
> humble and active within our neighborhood, then violence twords us
> will continue to happen.  We can start by being an active race traitor
> to our white heritige, fight for local economic racism to stop, fight
> for rent control and rent strikes,legal eviction awareness and
> support, build community, cop watch programs, free food, and much
> more..  There are many active roles white bohemians can play in
> stopping economic racism.  We most of all have to LISTEN to our
> neighbors of African or Mexican dissent, and be a person/culture that
> helps from their choices, rather than hurts the neighborhood.  It will
> take a long time because racism has been in our culture for hundreds
> of years, but we can be a helping force for fighting gentrification
> and racism.
	
	What you keep calling "racism" is nothing more than plain
	vanilla capitalism.

	Only destroying capitalism can stop it's ills.

	That's not being a "race traitor," that's just common
	sense.  Capitalists are up to no good.


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:35:50 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: JESUS WAS AN ARYAN
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> The historical Jesus was a black woman, and a lesbian.

	You mean just like Mahatma Ghandi?  Well, Ghandi did
	postulate his sociological theory: "capitalists are
	fathers, workers are children."  So he couldn't have been
	like Jesus.


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:35:51 PST 1996
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Subject: JEWS ARE ASIATIC
Date: 25 Nov 1996 20:32:54 -0800
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Mail100@hotmail.com  writing [ 1326] bytes in <57diql$8qv@fiji.easyway.net> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!fiji.easyway.net!news said:

> >	Jews are Oriental, case closed.
> 
> no they are not. Jews are Europeans. the jews who run the us
> govt,media, schools, israel, and CFR  are european jews.
	
	Yes, and their race is Oriental.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:38:54 PST 1996
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS?  BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
Date: 25 Nov 1996 20:27:41 -0800
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Russel H. Rahn \"Russ\"  writing [ 3912] bytes in <329A15BD.5C7A@lexis-nexis.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!lexis-nexis!news said:

> > > I was at a VERY rich persons house on Long Island.
> > > I estimate the house alone to be worth about 3 to 4 million
> > > dollars. He had just bought the house and I was there installing
> > > a computer system to monitor financial information.
> > > There were many other contractors busy there. There were roofers,
> > > landscapers, furniture was being delivered, alarm systems people
> > > and high speed data lines were being installed for my job.
> > > The point is that this IS the life blood that fuels our economy.
	
	Next time, could you please copy the data onto a floppy
	and post it to usenet?  It won't conquer the rich as a 
	whole, but every bit helps.  Maybe others will follow!

> > Ah yes, if I ran my own super-corporation and had slaves
> > for employees, THAT would be the life blood that fuels
> > my economy.  And because my company is so efficient, I
> > could conquer other companies, or even defeat small
> > countries in military battle, and become the driving
> > force of even bigger economies.  Eventually enslaving the
> > world to do my bidding.  Would that be great?
> 
> Few people own their "own" super-corporations.  Bill Gates is probably 
> the closest.  The owners are the stockholders.  Employees are valuable 
> resources.  If a corporation has 3,000 employees (medium sized), and has 
> a CEO that makes $3,000,000 annually, you call that man enslaving the 
> 3,000.  In fact, that is not the case.  If you took the entire $3M and 
> divided it up among the 3,000, each would get another $60 - $70 per 
> month.  This is hardly enough to break the bonds of slavery.  Yet it 
> leaves the corporation without a leader.  Poor leadership will cost 
> jobs, and in some cases entire enterprises.  It is possible, that by 
> saving $1.5M and hiring a lesser CEO, your $30-$35 per month raise to 
> the employees will be lost as they become unemployed.
	
	Bill Gates is rich because he knows how to manipulate
	people, not for anything old-fashioned like skill.  There
	are no Edisons among the Forbes 400.  Edison wasn't in it
	for the fame nor the fortune, and neither should anybody
	else.  Only those in power who can prove beyond a
	reasonable doubt that they need more money than others
	can be allowed to keep the money in the America to come.

> Business is complicated and takes great vision.  People with that vision 
> make corporations profitable.  Profitable corporations provide jobs for 
> "the slaves."  Leaders with vision are worth what they are paid.
	
	Political leaders can destroy that pipe dream, by
	destroying the pipe.  There is hope for socialism yet.
	A good leader is worth more than their weight in gold,
	and refuses to accept pay for his duties.
-- 
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From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:38:56 PST 1996
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Thomas Steegmann  writing [ 3041] bytes in <32a448f8.6489351@news.netheaven.com> from nexp.crl.com!newshub.cts.com!atmnet.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.alt.net!newspost1.alt.net!usenet said:

> >>	  There
> >>         are no Edisons among the Forbes 400.  Edison wasn't in it
> >>         for the fame nor the fortune, and neither should anybody
> >>         else.
> >
> >I say this based on what I've read about Orville and Wilbur
> >Wright, whom I'd wager you'd say weren't in it for the fame
> >or the fortune either.  However, as it so happens, they were
> >quite willing to sue people over what they perceived as being
> >a threat to that fame and fortune.
> >
> >I'll bet a brief tour of history would prove Edison to be
> >the same.  Selflessness makes a great compliment, but it's
> >rarely very accurate.
> 
>    Just for the record, Edison was much like gates.  He ripped off
> ideas from nikoli Tesla, used Charles Steinmetz and was generally not
> a very nice man (business wise).    
	
	Business interfered with his creativity, as with Gates.

	Revoking law of patents would be a step against fraud.

>                                     At one point GE was in the
> business of lighting the world. Now, arguabley, with their ventures
> into media, they are in the business of darkening the world.
	
	What ventures into the media?  The Edisons are all dead!
-- 
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From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:38:57 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.religion.christian,alt.christnet,alt.conspiracy
Subject: JESUS WAS AN ARYAN
Date: 27 Nov 1996 10:14:33 -0800
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Jerry Tribe   writing [ 1374] bytes in <329AB5F6.43D1@wgs.co.uk> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!rainbow.wgs.co.uk said:

> > > >     Jesus was a tall blonde Aryan just like all Christian
> > > >     religions have depicted him in paintings.
> 
>           Actually Jesus was Japanese. For proof go to Japan
>           and look at the local images of Christ and you'll
>           see they're distinctly oriental.
	
	Our Messian churches forced them to do that.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 07:38:58 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS?  BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
Date: 27 Nov 1996 09:21:34 -0800
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Alvin Sylvain   writing [ 9287] bytes in <329BB82E.C98@c-square.com.nojunk> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!tfs.com!news.wlk.com!news.onramp.net!sunsrv10.clr.com!news-in.iadfw.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet said:

> Bottom line, the only real, consistent reason Gates is unliked is
> because he's richer and younger than just about everybody.  Steve
> Dvorak has a column that trashes one or another meaningless personal
> aspect of Gates just about every month, and it's truly tiresome.
> (That, or he copies jokes off of Usenet.  He gets =paid= for this)
> Some Arab sheiks are richer, but that's Ok, because they got their
> power the old-fashioned way: they inherited it.
	
	Which is wrong.

> >	  There
> >         are no Edisons among the Forbes 400.  Edison wasn't in it
> >         for the fame nor the fortune, and neither should anybody
> >         else.
> 
> I say this based on what I've read about Orville and Wilbur
> Wright, whom I'd wager you'd say weren't in it for the fame
> or the fortune either.  However, as it so happens, they were
> quite willing to sue people over what they perceived as being
> a threat to that fame and fortune.
> 
> I'll bet a brief tour of history would prove Edison to be
> the same.  Selflessness makes a great compliment, but it's
> rarely very accurate.
	
	That may be so, but most capitalists offer nothing but
	manipulation of people and markets.  It's a very long
	time before any of the top has made any sort of technical
	contribution.  Their very wealth corrupts them, driving
	them away from creative achievements.

> >	  Only those in power who can prove beyond a
> >         reasonable doubt that they need more money than others
> >         can be allowed to keep the money in the America to come.
> 
> Of course, those in power will be the ones who will =define=
> what "need" is, and it will just so happen that =they= fit their
> definitions perfectly.
	
	Yes, in the status quo.  Those with capital have the
	power, and that can be taken away from them.

> > > Business is complicated and takes great vision.  People with that vision
> > > make corporations profitable.  Profitable corporations provide jobs for
> > > "the slaves."  Leaders with vision are worth what they are paid.
> > 
> >         Political leaders can destroy that pipe dream, by
> >         destroying the pipe.  There is hope for socialism yet.
> >         A good leader is worth more than their weight in gold,
> >         and refuses to accept pay for his duties.
> 
> What if the truly good leaders are found among the corporate elite,
> pulling down millions of dollars in return for their good leadership?
	
	If that were so, there'd be no complaint!

> What are you going to give good leaders if they want the gold, and
> all you offer them is socialism?  What are you going to use to
> motivate the super-able to create super-acheivements, if not some
> kind of material gain?  Material gain that the super-able want.
	
	The super-able do not work for gain, that's the point.

	What have those super-rich actually done that qualifies
	as creative work?  Political intrigues, backstabbing,
	financial intrigues, and some such.  They manipualte
	people and markets.  The qualities of a rogue.

> There's a story about a group of fishermen.  One was successful at
> catching fish, the others weren't.  The unsuccessful ones would
> sit at the bar talking ad infinitum about all the various theories
> involved around the methods for catching fish.  How you toss the
> rod, how you set the hook, how you tie the line, how you row the
> boat, when you go out, etc.
> 
> The successful fisherman was different.  He didn't talk to the
> other fishermen.  He knew something they didn't.  He knew that
> the opinions of the fishermen were utterly useless for catching
> fish.  (Very entertaining, perhaps, but the fish weren't amused)
> He knew that, where it counted most, what really =mattered= was
> what the =fish= wanted.  The =fish= wanted =bait=.
	
	The punchline is that he promptly told his fellows how to
	do it so they can catch fish too.  He didn't keep it a
	secret and hired lawyers to try to keep others from
	effective fishing so he could corner the market.

> Such is true for good leaders, or others of extraordinary ability.
> It doesn't matter if =you= think they should be satisfied with some
> set amount of income, and no more.  What matters is what =they=
> think.  If =they= won't lead (or whatever) for less than millions
> of dollars, just what are you going to do?  Settle for mediocre,
> and less?  Where is society going to go when the best you can hope
> for is less than mediocraty?
	
	What's needed are the creative sparks that often started
	the rich on their way to the top.  What's needed is
	technical developement, much more than we need a market.

	Under our current system, those controlled by the profit 
	motive get propelled to power while those who aren't,
	don't.  But this can change.
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 09:36:03 PST 1996
Article: 86306 of can.politics
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Canada To Become Part Of The USA
Date: 27 Nov 1996 21:40:49 -0800
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Jim Walsh  writing [ 2561] bytes in <57bdl3$8au@keelung.transend.com.tw> from nexp.crl.com!syix.com!bad-news.harborcom.net!news.BSDI.COM!uunet!in2.uu.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!keelung.transend.com.tw!LYNNWALS said:

> This suggests that you are not thinking very clearly. The border between 
> Canada and the US is largely a legal fiction. Border controls are being 
> eliminated or reduced all over Europe for the sake of progress without the 
> slightest shred of violence. When the border between East and West Germany 
> came down, including the infamous Berlin Wall, it was a time of great 
> rejoicing, which I am sure you shared in.
	
	It's becoming clear that Canada really wants the USA to
	solve its problems.

	So how about it Canada, a military invasion or will
	foreign monopoly capital be enough?

> When (which I do not expect to happen in my life-time) the nation-states 
> wither away, passports and citizenship will become artefacts of a bygone era. 
> At that time, all such things will cease to have any legal significance. In 
> the meantime they are required to participate in society. I am an anarchist, 
> not a hermit, so I have them both.
	
	There were hardly any difficulties with passports and
	visas last century.  It was the "war to make the world
	safe for democracy" that introduced universal passports,
	gun control, and thousands of other ills.

	WWI should really be called "the war to make the world
	safe for global capital," if the warmongers wanted to be
	honest.

	Oh, and if you're really an anarchist, than you are
	opposed to capital, as capitalists can be as ruthless as
	any military dictatorship in suppressing freedom.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 09:54:38 PST 1996
Article: 346654 of talk.politics.guns
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: WHY WERE THE BRITS DISARMED?
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	Because the ruling class wants Britain to be weak, as 
	only a weak Britain will bow to the almighty God of 
	international capital.  Gun Control is just one of 
	their many schemes to weaken Britain.

	George Orwell was on our side;  he advocated the
	military arm all the citizenry to protect the nation from
	intruders and internal enemies.  Same with Solzhenitsyn; 
	he was to Russia as Orwell was to Britain.  
	
	No patriot can support gun control.  Our ruling class 
	is an enemy all by itself; they have more than proven 
	that they are unworthy of power and should be
	expropriated to the last farthing and sentenced to twenty
	five years at hard labour for their crimes.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 09:57:44 PST 1996
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Subject: Who Is Telling You That Your Brother Is An Enemy?
Date: 27 Nov 1996 14:36:28 -0800
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> Chris Faatz  writing [ 4155] bytes in <848940485$9441@atype.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!tandem!news.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.pbi.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!atype.com!militia-request said:
	
	It should be noted that Chris Faatz is a communist Jew.
	While the other gun-control supporting Jew Ahabiz and
	others where attacking McKinney as a communist, you
	thought Faatz was another militia supporter!

	No, the ones most vociferous against the National
	Alliance were a motley collection of Jews, communists,
	gun controllers, militia banners, Schumar supporters,
	etc.  All enemies, all infiltrators.  

	Not EVERBODY rejects the advent of the New World Order,
	most Jews ardently support it.  ALL Jews in leadership 
	support it.  Jews can always be relied on to tell you
	your brothers are enemies. 

	Militias will stay legal and become powerful:  but that
	requires pragmatism.  That means all who support militias
	are friends.  All opponents enemies.  That ALL militias
	must unify their pressures.  

	"We cannot allow your group to train with our group
	because your group does not allow minorities as members."
	That is a sure sign of the death of the militia movement,
	and it's quick outlawing and routing by the feds.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 10:00:41 PST 1996
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Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.politics.anti-fascism, misc.activism.anti-fascism.*
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Chris Williams  writing [ 1672] bytes in <57icev$9v4@bignews.shef.ac.uk> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bignews.shef.ac.uk!usenet said:

> heedlessly (not least by my fellow leftists) - this doesn't help us fighting 
> the actual fascists.  
	
	You're no leftist Chris.

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From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 10:02:06 PST 1996
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Date: 27 Nov 1996 11:37:03 -0800
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Andrew Mathis  writing [ 2492] bytes in <57geg9$i40@news.nyu.edu> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!cmcl2!news.nyu.edu!usenet said:

> >> 	Rather it is like post WW I Germany where they bribed their way
> >> into positions of power and influence.  So to today, they are
> >> unofficially given preference in the schools and in the media and in
> >> Hollywood.  As there are a mere seven IQ points difference in the mean
> >> and the mean IQ of these professions is not all that high, there is
> >> little else to account for the over representation.  
> >	
> >	Intelligence tests have shown Jews to be the most
> >	intellectually challenged people of Europe, right below
> >	the Gypsies.
> 
> That must be why Yale is 30% Jewish.
	
	That goes to show how corrupt academia is.  A few decent
	classes to append to their ancient prestige, and a gutted
	out shell for the rest.

	Note:  None of the famous schools were founded for the
	career minded.  They were formed for the broadening of
	the liberal philosophy of mankind.  Not for learning the
	ropes of making a killing underwriting muni bonds.  For
	free speech!  Free inquiry!  Destroyed by the free
	market!  So that is where it stands today, but socialism
	will get us back to thinking of people and earth rather
	than transitory attractions of the market.

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From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 10:07:54 PST 1996
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Subject: O.J. SIMPSON'S VICTORY AGAINST RACISM
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Willy Ramos   writing [ 4401] bytes in <329a7cd0.0@news3.paonline.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.id.net!news.dra.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!mr.net!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!news3.paonline.com!sl7.elink.net said:

> >> To say that the verdict of the O.J. trial was something "in favor" of the 
> >> black man is ridiculous. This was never a black vs. white issue. This was 
> >> a murder trial. In desperation, O.J.'s legal defense team concocted this 
> >> conspiracy theory. It is chock full of holes but the jury bought it. 
> >> O.J.'s defense team irresponsibly introduced the race issue into an 
> >> already troubled venue.
> >	
> >	It was a race issue from the beginning of OJ's popularity
> >	in the sixties.  It's been a solid victory of the Black
> >	race over the white for centuries, and his trial was no
> >	exception.
> 
> Please! A solid victory? Are you nuts? To this day there is empirical 
> evidence supporting the disparity between "white" public schools and 
> "black" ones. The differences are caused by many things, lower property 
> values (resulting in lower tax revenues), poorer quality of teachers 
> (with some notable exceptions), and a different expectation of life than 
> their "white" counterparts.
	
	Yet, the Black ship is rising and the white is sinking.
	They have it made.  Their racial hatred of the white
	has served them well, as a people.

> These underprivileged children many times don't have the strong male and 
> female examples of adulthood. Too many are from broken homes. Some 
> parents have resorted to illegal activities to support their family 
> because they know of no other way to earn a decent living. The education 
> spiral has consequences that can last for generations. If you truly 
> believe that one race is actually superior than another you are only 
> deluding yourself and setting you and yours up for a truly rude 
> awakening. 
	
	Mere poverty cannot weaken a people!  They have a higher
	birth rate than the white, proving that they are
	privilaged in the USA and the world.  Race wars are won
	in the bedroom, of course.

> Note: This does not apply to O.J. He had opportunities not available to 
> many people, black or white. He is simply a man who made a terrible 
> mistake and is now compounding it by crying "racism" to save his guilty 
> pocketbook. This civil trial is exposing much more information the 
> criminal jury did not have access to and his testimony so far has been 
> disastrous for his case.
	
	Yet, so many people identify with him simply because he's
	Black.  He is a rich worthless degenerate.  With so many 
	"civil rights" types supporting him, the essentially 
	capitalist nature of "anti-racism" is exposed.

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Willy Ramos   writing [ 1354] bytes in <329a7d58.0@news3.paonline.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!visi.com!mr.net!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!news3.paonline.com!sl7.elink.net said:

> >	The judge and prosecution should be put on trial for
> >	committing a travesty of justice.  No true socialist
> >	could defend any of the personalities that showed up
> >	in court.
> 
> Well, maybe Leon Trotsky:)
	
	Lev argued for the revolutionary potential of African
	Americans in the thirties.  However, today, they have 
	capitulated to the dictatorship of capital.  Today's
	so-called "left" is ardently pro-capitalist, and lie a
	lot about it to conceal their capitulationist
	tendencies.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Thu Nov 28 11:05:59 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe,alt.politics.white-power,soc.motss
Subject: The greatest Aryan men who ever lived
Date: 27 Nov 1996 11:45:57 -0800
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  writing [ 1165] bytes in <19961124053800.AAA11979@ladder01.news.aol.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!acara.snsnet.net!news.scott.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail said:

> Ohh by the way Skinheads or white racists have been proven to be in the
> closet homosexuals.
	
	It has been proven that those who hate whites are just
	jealous of their looks.  It's been reported in Science
	that uglyness is the presursor of the anti-white 
	mentality.
-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:29:18 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: The Founding Of Classical Asia
Date: 28 Nov 1996 11:27:24 -0800
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Auron Mukhopadhyay   writing [ 4308] bytes in <329D4FB1.2D45@uci.edu> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!drivel.ics.uci.edu!news.service.uci.edu!usenet said:

> What the world thinks of as race is what biologists call phenotype (the
> attributes we can see on the outside such as skin color, hair texture,
> etc.).  The genotypic difference between any two individuals in the
> world (the genetic map on the "inside") is so insignificant it does not
> make sense to classify human beings as fundementally different.  
	
	98% of the genes between humans and chimpanzees are
	identical.  Does this there is no essential difference
	between the two?  That we are all basically the same?
	That the difference is mere phenotype?

> It is true that certain phenotypes are prevailent in certain human
> populations however. So what?  We evolve according to our environment. 
> If Aryans were first (for example), then we are all derived from their
> original genotype. SO WHAT?  What is the point of making a racial
	
	The world seems to disagree with you that it 'isn't
	important.'

> distinction? Our genotypes are for the most part identical.  For
> example, I am Indian with dark hair and brown eyes.  My grandfather,
> though full blooded Indian in the heart of India, has blue eyes.  Blue
> is a recessive trait and gets hidden in the genome when brown (a
> dominant trait) is coupled with it.
	
	Interesting.  A relative of Swedish extraction has 
	Black hair and grey eyes and resembles a Russian
	gentleman.

> When the genetic make up of an individual is pure in an extreme sense
> (both homologous copies are identical) you actually have all sorts of
> PROBLEMS.  Recessive diseases manifest themselves, cancer develops...all
> the genetic problems that would have otherwise been hidden by a healthy
> dominant gene are now in the forefont.  Ever wonder why it is taboo to
> marry a relative? Makes for one lousy master race! 
	
	There's a large difference between marrying your sister
	and marrying your neighbor!

> The moral of the story is that humans are incredibly ignorant.  From a
> biological standpoint one should be encouraged to mate with someone who
> is of a different "racial" background.  It adds to your genetic make-up
> and can be extremely beneficial.  

	Is this a gentle way to suggest that those who are not of
	mixed race are genetically inferior?

	Are the part white African Americans racially superior to
	their pure blooded African cousins?  Will a Dutchman
	ensure a longer and healthier life for his children if he
	chooses a Bushman as a wife?

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:29:19 PST 1996
Article: 82507 of alt.revisionism
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Definition Of White Race
Date: 28 Nov 1996 12:07:07 -0800
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Bryan Cowan  writing [ 2098] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!ulysses.midtown.net!sl11.midtown.net!user said:

> Us Pure White Aryans (tm) are the superior race of the planet.
> The Jews own/run/control everything. 
> 
> Now for the mentally challenged Nazi, I'll explain the above: why, if
> Aryans are so superior, do Jews control the world? Why would the *master
> race* permit Jews to control things in the first place, if Aryans are so
> superior to Jews?

	Because aryans are too nice.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:29:19 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Hausherr new potential ally of scientology!
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Tilman Hausherr  writing [ 1280] bytes in <32b2f61e.96678045@news.theta.de> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!news.nacamar.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news.coli.uni-sb.de!fu-berlin.de!unlisys!not-for-mail said:

> Ernst Zuendel, the canadian holocaust revisionist, dreams of an alliance
> of scientology and extremists against the german state.

Fuckhead.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:29:20 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: Attack Of The Sara Spam
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Stan Kalisch III   writing [ 2654] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!crl6.crl.com!sjkiii said:

> > Fascinating that Mr. Varange would:
> >  
> > a) Respond to a simple request NOT to e-mail me by e-mailing me again.
> 
> But what you sent Mr. Varange was not merely "a simple request".  You
> actually began your e-mail to him with a misstatement:  "This is
> unsolicited e-mail."  By posting under your e-mail address--and in no way
> indicating that you didn't wish to receive replies regarding your post via
> e-mail--it is implied that the reason your e-mail address is in your post
> is for others to be easily able to establish communication with you via
> e-mail regarding your post.  And this is what Mr. Varange did.
	
	I also didn't bring up that *she* Cc's her posts to
	people who complain about it too.  But that's their
	idiocy.

> Whether or not he's wrong in calling you a liar is irrelevant.  Whether or
	
	She has just recently posted that she *doesn't* complain
	about recieving email as resonses to posts.  In the
	rebuttal to my allegation she called me a *liar.* 

> not his opinions are correct is irrelevant.  No matter how repulsive you
> find his e-mail, that is immaterial.  His e-mail was still solicited.
> 
> "[A] simple request" for Mr. Varange "[not] to e-mail" you again would be
> something very similar to "Please don't send me mail again".
> 
> So although you may have a right to ask Mr. Varange not to e-mail you,
> it's understandable that he would be offended by an e-mail in which you
> mischaracterized the nature of his e-mail, and furthermore sent a copy
> that contained a mischaracterization to his postmaster.  
> 
> It's also understandable that you're offended by Mr. Varange.  Ideally,
> the two of you would cease e-mailing each other, although having been in a
> similar situation myself, things always don't expeditiously work toward
> that end.
	
	She's posted some really offensive stuff before and I
	ignored it.  But maligning communism and expecting no
	rebuttal is going too far.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:29:21 PST 1996
Article: 82558 of alt.revisionism
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Date: 27 Nov 1996 22:22:50 -0800
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> unknown   writing [ 3029] bytes in <329CB699.129@netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!visi.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!usenet said:
> 
> > The Majority of Persians, and Northern Indians are still Aryan. You
> > wanto know why Persians, and Northern Indians have darker skin than
> > Europeans, simple go out into the sun in the summer and see that your
> > skin color becomes tanned. Now though evolution for thousands of years
> > in hundred degree wheather the product is a Persian or N. Indian.
> > Look at the modern day Persian, or N. Indian you'll see that things like
> > nose, head hair,lips,facial bone structure, height, and amount of body
> > hair is not much differnt from a European. Race is more than skin color,
> > skin color is less than %1 of what race is.
> 
> 	Some true, but it is not skin color that is the
> 	difference between races, a mere adaptation of to the
> 	sunlight as attraction or detraction.  The aryan is
> 	different by a completely different body structure, the
> 	most obvious being external appearance.
	
	On another point, why don't today's Indians and Iranians
	accept the facts of their aryan heritage?  What is the
	difficulty in accepting that others may be better than
	you are?

	I accept this humiliity, this is our European fathers we
	are talking about!  I am not of aryan race, yet they are
	worthy of praise as a race of creators!

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:29:22 PST 1996
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unknown   writing [ 3029] bytes in <329CB699.129@netcom.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!visi.com!mr.net!news.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!rutgers!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!usenet said:

> The Majority of Persians, and Northern Indians are still Aryan. You
> wanto know why Persians, and Northern Indians have darker skin than
> Europeans, simple go out into the sun in the summer and see that your
> skin color becomes tanned. Now though evolution for thousands of years
> in hundred degree wheather the product is a Persian or N. Indian.
> Look at the modern day Persian, or N. Indian you'll see that things like
> nose, head hair,lips,facial bone structure, height, and amount of body
> hair is not much differnt from a European. Race is more than skin color,
> skin color is less than %1 of what race is.

	Some true, but it is not skin color that is the
	difference between races, a mere adaptation of to the
	sunlight as attraction or detraction.  The aryan is
	different by a completely different body structure, the
	most obvious being external appearance.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:29:23 PST 1996
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Subject: LIST Of JEWISH POWERLORDS
Date: 28 Nov 1996 11:48:28 -0800
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Lenny Gray  writing [ 2585] bytes in <329cdb46.20517652@news.alt.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.c2.net!news.alt.net!newspost1.alt.net!usenet said:

> >> I agree that floor trading is less active on Jewish holidays, but I 
> >> notice the same on Christian, Muslim and other religious holidays as 
> >> well as just before FOMC meetings,
> >> Important government numbers or earnings announcements. You donít have 
> >> to be Jewish to know this and adjust your trading style accordingly. 
> >> Jews account for less than 3% of US populations 
> >	
> >	Jews and Asians own 60% of the assets of the USA.
> >
> >>                                                 and officially are not 
> >> even considered a minority. 
> >	
> >	Jews are an Asian sub-race.  It's illegal that they are
> >	not considered to exist in the census.
> >
> >>                             But if you think Jews are really that 
> >> powerful and evil, watch out, because they are GONNA GET YA! 
> >	
> >	Thanks for the warning.
> 
> FYI:  a Jew is a person following the _religion_ of Judaism.  It is a
> _belief_system_ rather than a "race".
	
	Scientists tend to look at religion as valuable
	historical material as well as a more or less 
	psychiatric condition.  So it is of not much point to
	hold Judaism as a mere religion; it has been proven to be
	a race.

> And, as surprising as it may be to most Nazi mentalities, they usually
> respond when called by the label:  CONSERVATIVE.
	
	Many of them like to think of themselves as progressive
	whilst peddling reactionary proposals like globalism and
	all its ills.  And that doesn't detract a bit from their
	essentially rightist world vision.

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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:37:56 PST 1996
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Subject: Anti-Racists Afraid Of Victory
Date: 28 Nov 1996 11:37:59 -0800
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Stefan Andrťasson   writing [ 2379] bytes in <329D0270.495D@premier.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news said:

> The Zulus "run" South Africa??! What an uninformed statement, as usual,
> from a feeble minded racist who has undoubtedly never left the USA.
	
	It was the Jew carol@apple.com who said such.  Jews are
	idiots.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:37:57 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Senor Cohen)
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Subject: Racism Doesn't Exist!
Date: 29 Nov 1996 09:19:08 -0800
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Jim Walsh  writing [ 1710] bytes in <57mnuh$nj1@reader.seed.net.tw> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!reader.seed.net.tw!LYNNWALS said:

> ::Are you calling me a racist
> ::if I want to stop genocide against whites?
> 
> Of course you are a racist. A "racist" is someone who thinks that races exist.
> (A deist is someone who thinks God exists. Etc.)
> 
> Hint, there can not be a genocide against "Whites" because "Whites" don't 
> exist. Further hint, the Nazi's in their "genocide against Jews" 
	
	Genocide doesn't exist!  
	
	Race doesn't exist!  
	
	Racism doesn't exist!

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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: CAPITALIST CANADIAN BANKS EXPOSED
Date: 28 Nov 1996 12:01:58 -0800
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> In the wake of the recent Texaco scandal, I thought it would be 
> worth-while to advise my Canadian readers of a scandal of
> similiar proportions taking place here in Canada.  I am referring
> of course to systemic racism in Canadian banks, specifically in
> regard to their hiring practices!
> 
> Over the last year, I found myself out of work, and was obliged
> to do the rounds in search of some sort of livelihood.  It is a
> simple fact that in Canada, job security has become a thing of
> the past.  Now that women have entered the workplace, both men
> and women receive poor salaries --most of which is taxed away for
> numerous socialist programs anyway, and for day-care for children
> abandoned by working mothers, and for advertising which is
> supposed to convince us that this is best for us, or at least the
> "compassionate" thing to do.  And, because men make an equivalent
> amount as women at the same age/level of experience, women
> typically do not find men their own age viable as prospects for
> marriage --choosing instead to pursue thirty-something divorcees.
> 
> Nevertheless, here in socialist Canada, our system of
> redistributing wealth has a ruling class, like in any other
> socialist country; And now this "ruling class" --the same class
> of people who benefit from these programs-- is given preference
> in hiring.  This, of course, is in addition to the numerous
> grants they receive, and to the power they wield through the
> various "Human Rights" commissions to intimidate people who do
> not show the proper amount of approval towards them.
> 
> We will start with the RACIST ROYAL BANK'S Job Application form.
> At the very outset of this troubling document, we are told that
> the Royal Bank "Values Diversity in the Workplace" and it is
> recommended that the applicant "complete all sections of this
> Application," although no white person will be able to complete
> the [large] last section because it can not apply to them.  We 
> are reassured that "This form has been reviewed by the Canadian
> Human Rights Commission to ensure conformity with the Human
> Rights Act", although a closer inspection of the document shows
> that the "Employment Equity Page" is actually a separate page
> which has been attached to what was once the standard application,
> and which bears a different "form number" and which advises that
> it is "For internal use only" (Form 6710). This page cannot
> possibly conform to those acts.
> 
> The attached page, includes the following questions:
> Please indicate whether you are: [ ] female  [ ] male
> This, in itself, was once forbidden in Canada, in the same spirit
> that forbade employers from asking about marital status.  But 
> suddenly, it is alright under the press of hundreds of non-white
> immigrants each year.
> 
> A second section asks about whether or not you "consider yourself
> to be an aboriginal (native) person."  For our American readers
> out there, it is a simple fact that in Canada, one can find job-
> adverts at the local State-Run employment center which specify
> "for natives only"  As if some lazy, State-subsidized Indian is
> more "native" than some hard-working "white" who has lived here
> all their lives, and who have a positive commitment to the ideals
> of this country --and who foot the bills for the former.  This
> kind of racism has been with us for a long time.
> 
> But we have just scratched the surface.  Suddenly, we are regaled
> with questions about whether or not we are a member of a "visible"
> minority. There are several categories of "visible" minority
> given:
> 
> [ ] Black --African, American, Canadian, West Indian... 
> [ ] East Asian --Chinese, Fidjan(?), Japanese, Korean....
> [ ] South Asian --[racial references deleted for brevity]
> [ ] South-East Asian --yada yada!
> [ ] West-Asian (Middle East)
> [ ] Other --NON-WHITE racial group not referred to above
>             Please specify: ___________________________
> 
> I suppose I am gratified to discover that there is such a thing
> as the WHITE RACE.  It is interesting how every equity policy
> draws such a clear distinction between whites and blacks, asians,
> etc. --even as liberals attack white-power supporters by denying
> the existence of a "white race." Either there is a white race, in
> which case they may be taken to account for happenings of the
> past; or there isn't, in which case these silly fools should shut
> their homo-erotic mouths.
> 
> I think the most humourous thing about this form, if anything can
> be called humourous about a major Canadian financial institution
> engaging in SYSTEMIC RACISM, is the suggestion that "visible"
> minorities should receive preferential treatment over "non-visible"
> minorities.  Many of the whites in this country are of mixed
> white-European ancestry.  I, myself, am of Dutch and Hungarian
> mixture.  Surely there are less of these than of Blacks, Asians,
> etc.  Why not give preferences to these minorities which are 
> likely more under-represented than the others.  And what exactly
> makes "visible" deserving of preference over "non-visible"
> minorites? Did the "non-visible" minorities get together and
> oppress the "visible" minorities at some point in the past?  Or
> are we just talking preferences for cosmetic purposes?
> 
> The final questions on the form, ask for information about
> disabilities, and include various questions of personal, medical
> nature which... it is really hard to believe that anyone could ask
> such questions, let alone answer them.  It is also hard to
> believe that the Royal Bank would give preferential treatment to
> people who have "Schizophrenia," or "Down's Syndrome." I wouldn't
> want to be around when the former shows up with a shot-gun, or
> when the latter drools on the keyboard.
> 
> The last question on the sheet gives us the option of not
> completing the questionnaire: [ ] I do not wish to complete this
> questionnaire.  It is a way for the Racist Royal Bank to weed out
> those people who are deeply offended by the racial overtones of
> what has just preceded this question.  The simple fact of the
> matter is that no white applicant, barring physical disabilities,
> CAN complete the preceding questions, NOR can he check-mark this
> box with its strong negative overtones. Please remember that this
> is a JOB APPLICATION; The idea is to put your best face forward
> to get the job, and no white person can do that here.
> 
> SYSTEMIC RACISM AT THE BANK OF MONTREAL
> 
> But the Royal Bank is not alone in its SYSTEMIC RACISM, there is
> another major Canadian institution that has done the same.  I am
> referring of course to the RACIST BANK OF MONTREAL.  
> 
> On the title page of their application form, we see several
> pictures of people of various ethnic groups, shaking hands,
> talking, etc.  These are similiar in ethnic/racist tone to those
> of the recent adverts showing Asians displaying signs about
> positive things they have accomplished in life.  It is nice, I
> suppose, to see that Asians are accomplishing positive things in
> this country.  I know for a fact that several of our local Korean
> variety stores have "accomplished" major killings on the drug, 
> porn, and car/car-stereo-theft market in THIS city. And that's 
> not mentioning those competing for the sort of job that I've been
> trying to get. And this is in direct contra-distinction to the
> local whites, who are increasingly burdened by the parasitic
> Asian presence in this country, by the steep competition for
> jobs provided by foreign immigration --and blessed by sell-out
> companies like IBM. (Have you seen THEIR commercials lately?)
> 
> The tally for the cover of this disturbing document depicts
> 5 Whites, 4 Blacks, 3 Asians, and 1 Paki/Indian, and 1 partridge
> in a pear tree.  In Canada, "visible minorities" account for only
> about 10% of the population.  This cover clearly does not show 
> "proportionate representation" with the community at large,
> something which equity enthusiast always wants to accomplish  
> --but only when the community is increasingly black.  But then
> again, maybe this is the future that the Racist Bank of Montreal
> is aiming for.  (Obviously, I will forever remain an obstacle
> to the realization of such a la-la land.)
> 
> Inside, we discover the following corker "we are committed to
> workplace equality and to achieving a workforce that is a
> reflection of thecommunities we serve."  Yeah, right, that cover
> was certainly NOT a reflection of any community in this country.
> Just as with the Racist Royal Bank, we are reminded to "be sure
> to provide the information requested on this form."  Why?  
> because "[t]he information you provide on this Application for
> Employment will help us understand your BACKGROUND and assess 
> your qualifications...."  
> 
> The form contains the usual question about describing previous
> activities, clubs, etc.  It used to be that the form specifically
> forbade the mentioning of any activities which could be used to 
> determine race, gender, or religion.  No so in the modern racist
> country in which we live!
> 
> The final questions go straight to the point.  The first question
> is "Do you agree to self-identify as a member of the designated
> minority groups for statistical[?] purposes?"  Remember, this is
> an application for employment.  No white person will feel
> comfortable saying "No" to this question --or in answering the
> rest. 
> 
> Then it asks whether or not you agree for the "information you 
> provide below to be used in reference to Employment Equity 
> special programs." Obviously, no minority will turn this down,
> but what about some healthy white male --who is forced, if he
> answers "yes", to answer "No" to all of the remaining questions.
> And it simply doesn't make sense to answer "Yes" --because he
> KNOWS that these questions have nothing to do with him...
> 
> The following questions in this RACIST APPLICATION, put out
> by the RACIST BANK OF MONTREAL, are as follows:
> What is your gender?                                 []Female   []Male
> Are you of First Nations, Metis, or Inuit ancestry?  []Yes      []No
> Are you a member of a racial minority?               []Yes      []No
> Do you have a disability?                            []Yes      []No
> 
> Note how "female" is lined up above "yes."  Imagine being a
> white male trying to fill this out, trying to put his best face
> forward to get a job.  It is a crying shame, how the majority of
> the people in this country, decent white-males, have been bullied
> and cowed into submitting to this shameful regimen of preferences
> by the multicultural thugs.
> 
> ONE EXCEPTION
> 
> You will note, in my above descriptions of RACIST CANADIAN BANKS,
> I have ommitted one bank of note --Canada Trust.  I have received
> two application forms from two different branches (dated 1995)
> --and, assuming that there is no new form which will replace this
> in the wake of recent racist developments in the Canadian
> Judiciary-- I have found no evidence of the same kind of SYSTEMIC
> RACISM that I have found with the ROYAL BANK and the BANK OF 
> MONTREAL.  The form advises people that they should eliminate
> all references to activities or accomplishments that could
> identify them according to the "discrimination" categories.  In
> other words, it is the standard "color-blind" forms which were in
> circulation when I was a teen-ager.  Apparently there is some
> hope for the future.
> 
> CONCLUSIONS
> 
> In Conclusion, I would like to say that the RACIST ROYAL BANK, 
> and the RACIST BANK OF MONTREAL are engaging in shameful 
> practices --and that any white person with a bit of pride should
> place their business elsewhere.  It is a crying shame that, in a
> country where so many people who have lived here all their lives
> --who sacrificed their original culture to become a part of this
> country-- are out of work; that they can be treated in such a 
> hideous fasion --that they are being systematically humiliated
> by our financial institutions which are giving preference to 
> the new brand of free-loaders.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:39:32 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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aAnt_(I)-Rus*!H~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  writing [ 1849] bytes in <329a2037.10504904@news.concentric.net> from nexp.crl.com!pacbell.com!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.texas.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!news said:

> Anyone who has doubts,questions,curiosity or debates about the
> race/color of Jesus-Christ is probably not a christian to begin with.
> As far as I am concerned, the race/gender/color of Jesus is irrelevant
> and has absolutely nothing to do with christianity, salvation, heaven
> or sin. If this is your number one concern in life, then you are
> surely condemned to hell already. 
	
	Then are you to say that mainstream Christian
	denominations are *not*, in fact, Christian?

	"Jesus is of all colors;"
	"Jewish Jesus;"
	"The Black Jesus;"
	is what *all* mainstream Christianity *insist*,
	therefore they consider the race of Jesus to be 
	important, and, evidently, in your eyes, 
	sacraligious.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:39:33 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Quinton Diets   writing [ 2589] bytes in <329E76E7.5C72@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.bconnex.net!news.abs.net!usenet said:

>  Ahhh.... Christianity, the old Jewish Hoax Religion that has had the
> White Race fooled for years! My favorite subject.  My is it that you
> think Jesus is an Aryan?  Aside from the bible, what proof do you have
> that he existed in the first place? 
	
	He may have come from Greek myths or from an adaptation
	of Zoroaster, but aryan nonetheless.

>  Just so that I don't stray from the topic, one of the major reasons the
> White Race is in the shape it is today is because we don't follow a
> strong Racial Religion. We are nearing extinction due to the suicidal
> teachings of christianity.  "Love they neighbor", "turn the other cheek"
> etc.. 
	
	Zoroaster's aryanism is better documented, but it would
	be nutty to confuse those who label themselves
	Zoroastrian as having the slightest thing to do with the
	founder's faith.  Ahriman/Paul as opposed to
	Mazda/Christ.

>  The Jew has survived for centuries without a country of his own, and
> how do you think this is?  He follows a strong Racial Religion. 
> Creativity is our only hope for saving the White Race!  Don't be fooled
> into thinking that christianity is for White People.  It was created
> initially to bring the once proud ancient Roman Civilization to a halt.
> And it worked, now it is doing the same to America.
>  Jesus was a Jew and the Jews are "the chosen people", how would you say
> that christianity is a religion for the White Race?
	
	To boil it down, aryan christianity is better than
	non-aryan christianity, aryan atheism better than
	non-aryan atheism, and aryan atheism is better than aryan
	christianity.  We all got a cause, cause we rock.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:39:34 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Pad  writing [ 1832] bytes in <01bbde20$0f50e4a0$090698c3@bluewave.co.uk.bluewave.co.uk> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!pub.news.uk.psi.net!usenet said:

> > Don't be fooled
> > into thinking that christianity is for White People
> 
> Where is Christianity growing most in the world at the moment?
> (no, not in white-only areas, but-)
	
	There are no white-only areas.

> Russia, China, Argentina, Korea (North AND South!)
	
	Where's Comrade Stalin when you need him?

> Who would have predicted that?
> 
> Socio-religious predictions 30yrs ago were all saying 'Christianity will be
> driven back to the
> Western world and then decline even there....' 
> 
> This 'myth' must be pretty infectious to have done this!
> I guy I've met from Argentina has a church of over 280,000 people - it
> didn't exist 6 yrs ago!
> Please, anyone, prove him (and me) wrong by inventing a myth of your own
> that grows in such a way.
	
	Neo-Internationalism has spread like wildfire in recent
	years, at a much faster rate than Christianity has ever
	done.

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> As A Christian I am not interested in saving the white race. I am
> interested in saving the Human race.

	God dies when the white people die.

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Quinton Diets   writing [ 1769] bytes in <329FCD86.3911@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-stkh.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-paris.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newspump.sol.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.abs.net!usenet said:

> > This 'myth' must be pretty infectious to have done this!
> > I guy I've met from Argentina has a church of over 280,000 people - it
> > didn't exist 6 yrs ago!
> > Please, anyone, prove him (and me) wrong by inventing a myth of your own
> > that grows in such a way.
> 
> Part of the reason these churches might grow in such a way is the
> natural gullibility of mankind in general.  
	
	Of course, the churches have been sending billions of
	dollars to Afrasia to purchase new members.
	
	This explains the "resurgence" of Christianity.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:39:36 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: JESUS WAS AN ARYAN
Date: 30 Nov 1996 09:43:03 -0800
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Quinton Diets   writing [ 2887] bytes in <329FCF6A.4604@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.c2.net!jupiter.dnai.com!out2.nntp.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!news.abs.net!usenet said:

> My problem is with the invention of the term Jesus and not the term
> Aryan.  The two don't even belong in the same sentence.  I dare any
> person alive to prove to me that a person called Jesus ever existed!
> 
> White Man wake up!  Christianity was spawned to destroy you!  If it were
> all that positive a religion why hasn't it saved us yet?  Christianity
> seeks to turn us all into a bunch of passive, enemy loving,
> non-self-respecting, poor, and gullible fools.  Wake up before it's too
> late.
	
	It's done more bad than good, that's for sure, re:
	Boniface, Paul, Augustine, etc., much repression of the
	native European spirit.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:00 PST 1996
Article: 114834 of alt.conspiracy
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Michael King Ross  writing [ 1725] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!news.goldengate.net!not-for-mail said:

> >Then there's somthing wrong with society if people need to execute acts of
> >terrorism.  
> 
> Did Tim McVeigh _need_ to blow up the Murrah building and kill all
> those kids?
	
	It's what he was ordered him to do.  The Reaction wanted 
	to pass a new political law, and so needed a patsy to kill 
	a hundred or so people to help get the bill passed.
	
	Feinstein and Schumar and other rightists have at least a 
	moral responsilbilty for the deaths, by their vociferent
	blame of the tradegy on the victims.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:01 PST 1996
Article: 114880 of alt.conspiracy
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS? BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:00:12 -0800
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J. Iscariot  writing [ 4373] bytes in <329EA853.5A3E@geocities.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!tfs.com!news.wlk.com!news.onramp.net!egsner!academ!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wwa.com!news.oz.net!news said:

> > > Business is complicated and takes great vision.  People with that vision
> > > make corporations profitable.  Profitable corporations provide jobs for
> > > "the slaves."  Leaders with vision are worth what they are paid.
> 
> Enough of this hero-worship. No one man knows more about marketing
> than his entire marketing department, no one man knows more about
> technology than his entire R&D division, no one man knows more
> about lawsuits and tax loopholes than his entire army of lawyers.
> Yet he is paid an ungodly amount of money for making decisions
> that are little more than a majority-vote of his advisors.
	
	Well, the CEO is not necessarily at the top.  In fact, a
	majority of the Forbes 400 are not CEO's and practibly no
	one got rich from a CEO salary.  It's the market, man!

	A rather striking piece of evidence of the rightist 
	orientation of the "progressive" movement would be the
	effort in 1993 to raise "income" taxes on "millionaires,"
	trumpeted by all, it seemed.  The falsifications of the
	proposals are blatantly concealed:

	     "Income" was defined as *earned* income as opposed
	to unearned income!  To the common man, income is income
	and when people talk about income taxes they understand
	it to be similar to the income that they are themselves
	taxed on.  However, "economists" and "progressives" will,
	with a straight face, state that a businessman can make a
	billion dollars to his name, all in one year, and say it
	isn't income and should be only taxed at a mere 28% flat
	rate, same as someone making $50,000, while his relatively 
	meager CEO salary should be taxed at a 39% rate, only 
	insofar as it exceeds a milion dollars a year.
	
	That was William Clinton's great victory against the 
	economic policies of his predecessers!

	Oh sure, this was exposed for what it was, but the 
	rightist progressives don't care.  They are concerned
	worth *personal* issues, not anything so banal as
	as improving our socio-political system!

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:02 PST 1996
Article: 115107 of alt.conspiracy
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Subject: WAR WITH MEXICO?
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Douglas K Long  writing [ 2720] bytes in <57j9te$6l7@news.uta.edu> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!usenet65.supernews.com!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!mr.net!news.idt.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!130.168.70.138!news.eng.convex.com!seas.smu.edu!!utarlg.uta.edu!DKL8321 said:

> : >        This isn't exactly a deep assessment, not in view of what 
> : >        happened in the former Yugoslavia where neighbors of many
> : >        years - of generations - attacked one another; or in view
> : >        of what happened in the US during the Civil War when
> : >        classmates from the small and exclusive West Point went to
> : >        battle against one another, as in fact did members of the
> : >        same family - brother against brother.  This might come as
> : >        big news, but some things transcend basketball and drinking.
> 
> : Not in America these days.  Not when the lead story on the news is nothing 
> : about what's going on in D.C. or Sacramento or at City Hall, but the sex lives 
> : of moron movie stars, dirty sheets at hotels, and the secrets of Starbucks 
> : Coffee.
> 
> : No, unlikely any average Joe these days wants to take up arms as long as the 
> : Sizzler buffet is open.
> 
> 	I agree in part. What, however, do you think will happen when the
> 	country is hit with a serious recession, when many are out of
> 	work and times are desparate?  Racial and ethnic heterogeneity -
> 	what some like to call, warmly, multiculturalism - tends to
> 	create friction in good times and serious conflict in bad times.
	
	Yes.  The coming financial crises will fulfill many
	prophecies.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:03 PST 1996
Article: 115139 of alt.conspiracy
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS?  BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
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Clayton E. Cramer  writing [ 3017] bytes in <329C8B75.7BD7@dlcc.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news1.agis.net!agis!news.pbi.net!news.PBI.net!usenet said:

> >         That may be so, but most capitalists offer nothing but
> >         manipulation of people and markets.  It's a very long
> >         time before any of the top has made any sort of technical
> >         contribution.  Their very wealth corrupts them, driving
> >         them away from creative achievements.
> 
> I've been watching this discussion with some amazement.  I know
> a number of people who have become millionaires in the last few
> years, and quite a number of others who have become somewhat
> less wealthy, like myself.  Mr. Varange characterizes what 
> we do as "nothing but manipulation of people and markets."  
	
	Forbes 400.

> Yet what I have seen is a combination of technical knowledge, 
> the skills to bring together and manage competent engineers,
> technical writers, and technicians.  (Skilled management is
> even harder than skilled engineering.)  The results are 
> sophisticated telecommunications products brought to market in
> astonishingly short periods of time, beating out AT&T, Fujitsu,
> and other much larger corporations.
	
	I insist that technical development is more important
	to society than marketing that development.

> Mr. Varange seems to have strong opinions, but little knowledge
> about how the real world really works.  Envy is no substitute
> for hard work.
	
	Nations are made and broke by the fire of envy.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:03 PST 1996
Article: 115152 of alt.conspiracy
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Subject: alt.conspiracy in NY Times
Date: 28 Nov 1996 13:05:36 -0800
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Rich & Jules   writing [  928] bytes in <3298DE06.1A36@campfour.win.net> from nexp.crl.com!emerald.nb.net!news.emi.com!news.snip.net!op.net!out2.nntp.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-13.sprintlink.net!ns1.win.net!bugs said:

> I've found out that the New York Times is trying to advertise this site
> to cover up their illegal dealings in the procurment of info on the TWA
> 800 crash

	The New York Times is a piss poor paper providing an
	example of the evils of monopoly capitalism.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:04 PST 1996
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Subject: ARTICLES OF FAITH: Allied Complicity In The Holocaust
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Dave Adams   writing [ 1623] bytes in <329F2E1C.4801@early.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!spool.mu.edu!dsinc!blimpy.early.com!usenet said:

> > First time I've seen or heard the interview. It makes one think. I
> > wonder if it would have saved the Jewish people and OTHERS from the
> > Nazis plan to rid the earth of them. I wonder, but we'll never know.
> 
> I think if people of the world had any idea what was happening, they
> would have raised heck. I think public opinion would have been against
> such atrocity and collaborators would have had second thoughts of
> helping Hitler and his thugs.
	
	During the war, yes.  And it was done.

	In 1942, the associated Press published that 2 million
	Jews had been killed, most by shootings, grisly details
	of Eastern European concentration camps with mountains of
	thousands of Jewish corpes, a fifteen year old Czech girl
	gang raped in German barracks barely making it home to
	write a letter before dying from loss of blood, chasing
	old sick rabbis around a bonfilre, and other sordid
	details, a single example of success in Holocaust
	education of stirring the masses to war during that vital
	year of 1942.

	But before the war?  
	
	It was already being reported in 1933 that thousands of 
	mutilated Jewish corpses were floating down the Rhine
	and Jews, completely expropriated, were dying of
	starvation and murder everyday; yet this didn't have the
	effect of stirring the masses to war until awhile
	after the hot war broke out; thus, the "Western World's
	complicency in the extermination of the Jews."

	So, taking for granted that the Third Reich should be
	annihilated, just when was the appropriate date for the
	Anglo-French-Americans to invade Germany? 

	1941?  1939?  1935?  1934?  1933? 

	If Doctor Daniel Goldhagen's thesis is accepted, the
	Weimer amd Bismarkian republics were simply 'Nazi
	withouat a cause,' and the West should have invaded a
	lot earlier:

	1930?  Hitler rising, time to invade!

	1925?  Freeing Hitler, an act of war!

	1923?

	1919?  The Versailles Treaty, an effective Nazi tool.

	1914?  Our refusal to enter the War, allowing fascism to
	       develop in Europe and America.
	
	And you can take this a hell of a lot farther back,
	especially by following the traditional left inspired
	discription of antisemitism as a reactionary element
	using a scapegoat, as this definition rhymes with the
	reactionary German pagans persecuting the tiny Christian 
	minority, as they are later to the pagans.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:05 PST 1996
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Giovanni 8  writing [ 2840] bytes in  from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.fsu.edu!fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us!fts4p29-bfs.scri.fsu.edu!user said:

> >>> There are no Edisons among the Forbes 400...
> 
> T.J. Rodgers comes to mind.  I don't know whether he's in the
> 100, 400, 500 or even 1000.
	
	He's not in the Forbes 400.  Who is he?

	Of course, it's to be pointed out that the financial
	press is not accurate when it cannot or doesn't want to
	be.

> > ...That may be so, but most capitalists offer nothing but
> > manipulation of people and markets.  It's a very long
> > time before any of the top has made any sort of technical
> > contribution.  Their very wealth corrupts them, driving
> > them away from creative achievements.
> 
> This is untrue.  MOST capitalists offer creativity and a lot
> of grunt-work to increase the amount of value in existence.
	
	They/we can do better.

> "Capitalism demands the very best of every man - his rationality -
>  and rewards him accordingly." --- Ayn Rand 
	
	If the market pushes the best to the top, so does
	politics.

-- 
Cheers!


From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:07 PST 1996
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS? BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
Date: 29 Nov 1996 17:10:28 -0800
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  writing [ 3760] bytes in <329F6957.4E76@iglou.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.he.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!dciteleport.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iglou!news said:

> > Also interesting is how little the media explains what a
> > capital gains tax cut is.  I wonder how many people Republicans
> > have managed to convince that it's a real tax cut for your
> > average American.  I wonder just how many small investors
> > actually believe they will be the main beneficiaries of this
> > cut.
> 
>    The media doesn't "explain" it because if they told the truth it
> would make it impossible to continue their opposition to it. 
> 
>         *** 1992 Internal Revenue Service Figures ***
> 
>         Earnings               % filing capital gains 
>         ------------------     ----------------------
>         over $100,000                   3%
>         less than $75,000              93%
>         less than $50,000              83%
>         less than $20,000              49%
>         less than $10,000              27%
	
	Ha!  I'm not surprised that less than 3% of capital gains
	filers have over $100,000 a year!

	Next someone will say that millionaires have no influence
	in the economy because they are well below 1% of the
	population!

	Well, billionaires are less than .001% of the population
	so I guess they pretty much don't exist, and have
	practibly zero power!!
	
	Poor oppressed rich, such exploited minorities!  I guess
	they need AFDC, section 8, scholarships, hate crime laws,
	etc., like other underpriviged minorities.
	
	(Curious about the stats with schedule 1116?)

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:07 PST 1996
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS? BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
Date: 29 Nov 1996 10:34:28 -0800
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J. Lennon  writing [ 2948] bytes in <329F3948.5DB4@geocities.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.oz.net!news said:

> >         A rather striking piece of evidence of the rightist
> >         orientation of the "progressive" movement would be the
> >         effort in 1993 to raise "income" taxes on "millionaires,"
> >         trumpeted by all, it seemed.  The falsifications of the
> >         proposals are blatantly concealed:
> > 
> >              "Income" was defined as *earned* income as opposed
> >         to unearned income!  To the common man, income is income
> >         and when people talk about income taxes they understand
> >         it to be similar to the income that they are themselves
> >         taxed on.  However, "economists" and "progressives" will,
> >         with a straight face, state that a businessman can make a
> >         billion dollars to his name, all in one year, and say it
> >         isn't income and should be only taxed at a mere 28% flat
> >         rate, same as someone making $50,000, while his relatively
> >         meager CEO salary should be taxed at a 39% rate, only
> >         insofar as it exceeds a milion dollars a year.
> 
> Also interesting is how little the media explains what a
> capital gains tax cut is.  I wonder how many people Republicans
> have managed to convince that it's a real tax cut for your
> average American.  I wonder just how many small investors
> actually believe they will be the main beneficiaries of this
> cut.

	And why are salaries taxed at a higher rate than capital
	gains?  In the 1970's, at least on paper, "income" was
	taxed at a maximum rate of 70% of the bracket above
	$70,000 a year or so, while unearned income was capped at
	a maximum of 20% or so!  Why wasn't this disparity a
	slightly higher priority to political consciousness in
	"domestic" public affairs than gas taxes or the Shah?

	A lost opportunity was to exploit the sensational
	difference between earned and unearned income, as the
	very official name implies, between the largely untaxed
	"income to the lazy rich," versus the high taxes on those
	whose income derives from static and piece sources.

-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sat Nov 30 11:43:08 PST 1996
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS? BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
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J. Iscariot  writing [ 2483] bytes in <329F8788.31AD@geocities.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-atl-21.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-hub.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!131.107.3.15!news.microsoft.com!news said:

> > They work for it. Instead of spending all of your time being green with
> > envy, dry getting off of your tail and doing something about it.
> > 
> > You'll never be sucessful whining about how everybody else is doing good
> > except poor little ol me WAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> JFK Jr. earned his money? Fergie earned her money? Citizen Forbes
> earned his money?  What gives them the right to food, shelter,
> and health care, but the same rights are denied to an unemployed
> Vietnam vet?

	There's a lot of bums in the Bay Area with vets being 
	prominant among them.  They are rapidly being killed off
	as a group.  Kissinger started with killing them off
	while they were serving their terms in the service; they
	are being finished off in other ways now.

-- 
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J. Iscariot  writing [ 2217] bytes in <329F88CC.2923@geocities.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!131.107.3.15!news.microsoft.com!news said:

> > Class envy rears its ugly head again and again. The age old story of
> > some lazy bum disgruntled because he wasn't born rich and can't stand it
> > when others work, save,and risk and then reap the rewards.
> > Unfortunately, envy manages to substitute for hard work for many in our
> > society and that sad fact is really shameful.
> 
> So every hardworker is on corporate boards of directors now eh?
> That would be quite good news to the majority of current legal
> immigrants to this country.

	Smugglers, rapists, burglers, robbers, insider-traders,
	sweatshop managers, bribe takers, con artists of every
	stripe work very hard on their jobs too.

	If "hard work" were some sort of priority judgement of
	charactor...

-- 
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Subject: HOW DO THE RICH GET THEIRS?  BECAUSE THEY SAY SO!
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Alvin Sylvain   writing [15258] bytes in <32A001C2.1142@no.junk.mail> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!206.250.118.17!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet said:

> >         That may be so, but most capitalists offer nothing but
> >         manipulation of people and markets.  It's a very long
> >         time before any of the top has made any sort of technical
> >         contribution.  Their very wealth corrupts them, driving
> >         them away from creative achievements.
> 
> So what?  They made their fortunes, and now they can build on
> past success.  Gates no longer =needs= to be creative, and who
> cares?
	
	Our nation is at stake!  Wealth inspired laziness is a
	vital issue in our technical progress.

> Somebody else will do the creative work.  But they'll lack the
> capital to bring it fully to the market.  So somebody like Gates
> or IBM will buy them out (they're happy, they get more than they'd
> ever hope to make on their own).  In the meantime, Microsoft can
> peddle the product on a worldwide basis, make =real= money, and
> the world gets the benefit of the creativity.  
	
	Revoke the patent law and we'll see some real creativity.

	"Software wants to be free!" as says the net god Richard
	Stallman.

> I remember the stink when Microsoft tried to buy Quicken.  Now,
> Microsoft wanted the deal, Quicken wanted the deal ... why in
> the world =shouldn't= the deal go thru?  It wasn't an unwanted
> buy-out! (the name of which escapes my addlepated brain)
	
	Tangent: I tried TurboTax for the 1993 return and it
	stunk.  Microsoft couldn't make it worse, methinks.
	Now I enjoy filing out my returns the old fashioned way.
	The IRS forms and intructions aren't that bad, but
	California's stink.  It's nice to know all the relevent
	tax rules rather than trusting a preparer of some sort.
	I think of it as an extention of my employment.

> > > Of course, those in power will be the ones who will =define=
> > > what "need" is, and it will just so happen that =they= fit their
> > > definitions perfectly.
> > 
> >         Yes, in the status quo.  Those with capital have the
> >         power, and that can be taken away from them.
> 
> Only by intolerable levels of the use of force.  You can't pass
> "laws", because again, the ones with the real power will know
> about these laws in advance.  They will either buy personal
> exemptions, or put their money out of reach.
> 
> The only way this will change will be violent revolution, and
> the new status-quo promises to be just as bad (or worse) than
> the old, even in the unlikely event of success.
	
	Not necessarily.  Peaceful legal revolutions are
	possible.

> Even there, the truly rich and powerful will quickly don their
> socialist uniforms, salute with the best of them, while quietly
> squirreling their assets into safe havens.  They will either
> immediately or eventually grease their way back into power, and,
> once again define "need" in such a way that they just happen to
> fit perfectly.
> 
> Of course, there's the French Revolution method, and just cut
> their heads off, hence creating the need for replacements.
	
	The French Revolution wasn't socialist, it was a violent
	attack on the lazy monarchy but left the merchant system
	largely untouched and greatly empowered by ending the
	interference of their affairs by the royalty.

	These failures are avoided by nationalizing their assets.
	The truly creative types aren't motivated by the market;
	if the creative types like the younger Gates, Allen,
	Perot, Milken, Ludvig, etc., dry up in the new deal it's
	no one's loss: their contributions have ended with the
	assent of their wealth.

> I daresay, without trying to be mean or insulting, that if you
> really knew what it took to be a great leader, corporate or
> otherwise, you'd be out there leading a great corporation or
> something, rather than pissing your time away on the Net.
	
	Indeed!  Perot could be a heroic businessmen rather than
	piddling in politics.  If he doesn't like the political
	system so much, he could be using his assets to start a
	genuinely competetive mass madia going against the big
	boys like the Associated Press, etc.  And when he
	published his portfolio in the 1992 campaign he showed 
	that he was a fakir: 98% of his three billions were 
	locked away in municipal bonds.  His sixty million dollar
	campaign fortune was squandered on advertisements in the
	very media system he claimed to oppose.  True, he would
	likely lose most of his investment in a fledging media
	network, but what if?  Doesn't enterprise mean taking
	risks?  Doesn't he want to make his mark in history?

> But these people didn't make any of their money from "exploiting"
> their employees.  They made their money because idiots like you
> and me keep paying $50 to see them in concert.  Or paying $15 to
> buy their CD's.  Etc.  No one forced us to do this.  
	
	Where else would people spend their money?

> >         The super-able do not work for gain, that's the point.
> 
> Who says?  Are you super-able?  If you could paint a widget a
> particular shade of blue, and you were one of an extremely few
> people who could paint it that shade, and someone was willing to
> pay you $5 million to do it, would you turn it down?  Would you
	
	I'd ask for $7 million and try to get an even better deal
	through haggling and then use the funds to promote the
	cause that no one should be paid the money I'm making for
	painting widgets.  My passion for painting widgets and my
	passion for causes.  Glory!

> stop and say, "Oh, no, I'll paint the widget because I =love=
> painting widgets!  I'll do it for only ONE million!"
	
	We want people who love to paint widgets to have the job
	rather than someone who only does it for material gain.

> >         What have those super-rich actually done that qualifies
> >         as creative work?  Political intrigues, backstabbing,
> >         financial intrigues, and some such.  They manipualte
> >         people and markets.  The qualities of a rogue.
> 
> Some may =try= to manipulate markets, but the market is usually
> too complex for such.  The Hunt Brothers tried to corner Silver,
> and it proved too huge a task, even before they got into trouble
> with SEC or whoever.  They kept buying silver, which made it 
> harder and harder to buy silver, so their plan eventually collapsed
> of its own weight, as any competent economist could have told them
> from the git-go.  
	
	From my understanding it was a mere change in COMEX rules
	that ruined their investment.

	For the case of DeBeers, only a coalition of the most
	decadent social-economic-national forces could be
	responsible for this shame.  Why the "liberals" and the
	old forces of the Apartheid "boycott" didn't even try to
	make it *illegal* to import South African originated 
	diamonds is something to study.

>                   IBM and Microsoft have been in and out of
> Anti-Trust Court, and the govt has =yet= to be able to prove any
> shady dealings.
	
	There may not be any.

	The gloriuos Sherman Anti-Trust Act really was only
	effective in breaking the Rockefeller Trust, and has
	hardly been applied since.  The feds certainly don't have
	the guts to go after the various media collusions.

> The point here tho, is that it's not a problem caused by
> free market capitalism, but rather by the implementation of
> a set of unreasonable and illogical rules and laws, which are
> necessarily enforced with the use or threat of force.  The
> threat and use of force, in most cases, is the very antithesis
> of a free market system.)
	
	Sure!  Replacing the force of the state with the force of
	class.

> Like I try to teach my kids all the time: the world does not
> revolve around what =you= think is "fair."  You aren't going
> to catch many fish using what =you= think the fish =should=
> want.
	
	Of course, that is our society!  The socially conscious
	businessman should be ruthless in the market as there is
	no justice in the market and it's a waste of effort to 
	try to create it.

	Know why Ben & Jerry's became a success?  Their political
	panderings and their allocation of 15% of corporate
	profits to charity and their employees.  Socialists in
	the boardroom?  No, a scheme that allows them to pay
	lower costs and charge higher prices for their product 
	rendering the corporation a net gain for their
	investment.  They're as ruthless as capitalists as the
	fabled Coors brothers of supposedly the opposite
	political persuasion.

-- 
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CHRIST SODOMIZER  writing [ 1574] bytes in <57n9ps$it3@jerry.loop.net> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!news.magicnet.net!feed1.news.erols.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!206.138.116.24!dobie.loop.net!news	 said:

> 
> For your newsgroups file:
> Discussion and binaries for the alluring, exciting, and often
> disgusting world-famous coprophage Veronika Moser.
	
	Your need to write a proper format and then mail it to
	tale@uunet.net to start a CFV.

	The "For your newsgroup file" has to be much shorter and
	the title has to be RFD before later sending the CFV.

	There's also some boiler-plate that you need to fill out
	that's missing.  Simply copy someone elses RFD literative
	if you don't feel like writing your own from scratch.

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From varange@crl.com Sun Dec  1 16:07:13 PST 1996
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From: varange@crl.com (Troy Varange)
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Annie Alpert   writing [ 1696] bytes in <329F9F9F.3D87@ccnis.net> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!daver!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!206.20.179.41 said:

> > > Ernst Zuendel, the canadian holocaust revisionist, dreams of an alliance
> > > of scientology and extremists against the german state.
> 
> What is the sudden love-affair between Holocaust revisionists and the
> Church of Scientology?  First it's Raven and Weber, now it's Ernst
> Zundel.  Who's next?  John Travlota?  Tom Cruise?  I don't get it.
	
	They're both censored by the German state, naturally they
	should pool resources to fight this repression.

	It would be stupid to refuse the services of Scientology
	legal services if they offer to help.

	Baby, I guess you just don't understand.

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	Hooray for Giwer!!!!
-- 
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From varange@crl.com Sun Dec  1 16:07:15 PST 1996
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(Delete spam-buster ([at]) to reply)  writing [ 2174] bytes in <32ace3ac.28557911@news.netonecom.net> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!news.pbi.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.netonecom.net!usenet said:

> >	Are the part white African Americans racially superior to
> >	their pure blooded African cousins?  Will a Dutchman
> >	ensure a longer and healthier life for his children if he
> >	chooses a Bushman as a wife?
> 
> If they were both raised in the same culture, perhaps.
> 
> Do you *deny* that a mixture of genes tends to produce more robust
> offspring?  If it *is* the case in humans, then it sure is different
> from every other form of life.
	
	It isn't truer with humans than any other form of life.

> Why is it that "purebred" plants and animals are frail, disease-prone,
> and subject to birth defects?   Why do Labrador Retrievers and other
> types of "pure" breeds tend to have large numbers of hip defects?  Why
> are "pure" strains of crops susceptible to disease, and picky about
> nutrients?
	
	Because modern "hybrid" plants are bred so the produce
	will keep better and produce a larger crop than the
	traditional varieties; agronomy is *not* breeding food
	plants for taste or resistence to disease and
	infestation, more or less.

	The old-fashioned varieties were bred by Europeans over
	thousands of years for the qualities of taste and
	hardiness as well as the volume of the crop, leading to
	vast improvements, in most cases, to the qualities of the
	original strains found in the wild.  The "brand new"
	patented hybrids are bred chiefly for volume and
	toughness in shipping and storage.  Comparisons between
	the old strains used early this century and the new
	patent hybrids have almost invariably shown that the 
	patent hybrids are inferior in taste and nutrition and 
	even harder to grow without using massive quantities of
	fertilizer and pesticides.  A token verification of this
	is to visit truck farms that grow *both* types of produce
	and compare by taste.  The produce from the old fertile
	varieties usually taste better than the new sterile 
	patent varieties.  Indeed, the sterile patent crops are 
	racially inferior.  Indeed, there is a botanical genocide
	in hot pursuit, with thousands of races of heritage
	crops already extinct.

	It's the same with animals, usually bred by generations
	of sibling inbreeding.  The meat, eggs and milk don't
	taste as good, the nutrition is inferior, but there's
	more of it and the animals don't have to fed as much,
	so there's a better net gain for the investment of
	agribusiness.  Indeed, the sickly chickens, cows, etc.,
	that wends its way to the market are racially inferior 
	to the heritage livestock.

	Why does agribusiness use inferior stock?

	Because it's cheaper!

	And that's the bottom line of why the globalists want
	the heritage human races to become extinct.  We're more 
	expensive, we rebel, we have bigger demands for life 
	than the billions of slave workers in the world.  We 
	don't settle for less in life, we have ideology, etc.  
	We pose a much greater threat to the reign of global
	capital than the servile Afrasian hordes; we're the 
	linchpin of the world movement to abolish their power, at
	least globally.

> At this point, I'm tempted to *encourage* the Nazis to "pure" breed
> with themselves, in order to help them along the dead-end genetic path
> they espouse.
	
	Then you have nothing to fear whatsoever from racists,
	except the possibility you may come to a self-realization 
	that the axiom you hold may be wrong.

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Shawn MacIntyre  writing [ 2242] bytes in <57r1oe$7o5@scanner.worldgate.com> from nexp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.intersurf.net!thoth.nilenet.com!news.rmii.com!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!news.insinc.net!scanner.worldgate.com!valis.worldgate.com!shawnmac said:

> : Why is it that "purebred" plants and animals are frail, disease-prone,
> : and subject to birth defects?   Why do Labrador Retrievers and other
> : types of "pure" breeds tend to have large numbers of hip defects?  Why
> : are "pure" strains of crops susceptible to disease, and picky about
> : nutrients?
> 
> Haveing come from a strong cattle farming I have always thought of mixed
> races in the following way:
>   Cattle of mixed breads ALWAYS produce the best meat.
	
	A "mixed breed" of cattle probably is tastier and more
	nourishing than the sickly "name brand" breeds that
	predominate the livestock industry.  The cattle will
	be more expensive requiring more food per pound of
	marketable yield than the "name brand" cattle.

	But how about comparing the quality and yield of mixed
	breed cattle with heritage races of cattle?  The taste,
	nourishment and hardiness wil probably be even better,
	but the cost per marketable yield will be even more
	expensive, thus the lack of interest in heritage
	livestock by large farmers.

> I think this can be applied to humans by replacing breads with races and
> meat with minds. If it's true for all other animals why should it be any
> different for us?
	
	Again, you have nothing to fear from racists.  If you
	believe that pure races are weaker, the anti-racists 
	nations that will always exist somewhere in the world 
	will prosper and the racist nations will be backward, 
	thus racist nations are no threat to the world 
	community.

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