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In <4tufjv$l21@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com> augie2@nyc.pipeline.com(Bru-dearg) writes:

! On Aug 02, 1996 18:47:00 in article , 'orelg@stu.beloit.edu (Gwen Orel)' wrote: 
!  
! >: Jewish women are beautiful, but so hard on themselves.      
! >Sure, dark-haired, if they look like Christy Turlington! Not so much if
! they 
! >look like Brenda Morganstern. 
!  
! Julie Kavner (formerly "Brenda Morgenstern") is 10,000,000,000 times more
! beautiful than Christy Turlington could ever be.   Just because the
! majority believes the opposite (or hasn't the brains to buck the media)
! doesn't make it true.    I'm glad at least Julie's great expressive voice
! is making her lots of money as "Marge Simpson".    But I wish we could see
! Julie's beautiful,  expressive, lovable face in a starring role as a love
! interest.   Also I wish we could see Rosie O'Donnell in a romantic leading
! role too.   Ah, but that's too much to ask in these "enlightened" times
! ...... 
!  
! Robyn 

Hi, Robyn sweetie!  Come to Berkeley and I'll show you a good time!


--
Dave
-- 
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.
-- 
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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From: c-far@df.org (C-FAR)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 02:46:00 -0400

CSIS Calls Itself Canada's Political Police And States
ARA Torched Zundel's House

Since the outrageously biased Heritage Front Affair Report published by
the Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC), a group of appointed
political has-beens and bagmen, we have had serious concerns that
Canada's security apparatus is utterly out of control and is spying
wholesale and contrary to the CSIS Act on legitimate, non-violent
dissent. Some very disturbing confirmation of our fears has recently
come our way.

In February of this year, Kitchener, Ontario electronics businessman
Michael Rothe  was interviewed by two CSIS agents, who identified
themselves to him as such and showed ID. They were identified as Peter
and Angela. Rothe had organized several meetings in Kitchener for
British historian David Irving, who has since, under pressure from the
censorship lobby been banned from Canada, while planeloads of Tamil
terrorists and Jamican drug pushers and gunsels seem to have open access
to this country. The interview was taped. The revelations on this tape
are staggering.

ANGELA: Have you heard of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service?

PETER: You can bet its real!.... I'll explain what we are. First, the
Canadian Security Intelligence service is like the BFK in Germany.
These are the dreaded so-called Federal  Constitution Protection  Police
(Bundesverfassungsschutz), which spy on the German right and are
blatantly a political police force. Just in case the frightened German
immigrant didn't get the point, Peter added: We're the political
police. Angela and I are from the counter-terrorism branch. ... We are
interested in the Heritage Front. He was then asked a number of
questions as to how he got involved in politics, how hed been contacted
by the Hereitage Front andf what he thought of this group, which CSIS,
through its agent Grant Bristow had helped fund and lead!

PETER: Did you ever meet Paul Fromm. He's C-FAR and CAFE. The school
teacher from Mississauga. He would have been at the this David Irving
[meeting]. False!!!. Fromm was actually in Vancouver that day.

PETER: In Toronto, Wolfgang [Droege of the Heritage Front] has beren
much troubled by a group that calls itself Anti-Racist Action, ARA. This
is a collection of anarchists, Trotskyists, Stalinists.

ANGELA: The ARA that Peter described firebombed Ernst Zundel. I'm sure
you've heard about the problem various leaders of the so-called right
wing have received firebombs. She's apparently referring to the May 7,
1995 arson attack on Ernst Zundel's Toronto residence/office, and
firebombings of Don Andrews and Nicola Polinuk.

PETER: So, were interested to know, ... were there ever  threats made
to you? That ought to put the fear of the Lord into him.

So, here we have CSIS's descriptin of themselves as a political
police. Frightening! Then. theres the clear assertion that the
perpetratrors of the fire at Zundel's and the firebombings in spring,
1995, were the ARA. If so, why haven't they been arrested? Are they
being protected by the Canadian security establishment? Readers should
contact Solicitor-General Herb Gray and ask these questions. Ontario
readers should contact Solicitor-General Bob Runciman and ask why, in
light of this information, no charges have been laid by the Metropolitan
Toronto Police in these clearly political acts of terrorism. Had such an
attack been perpetrated on the offices of one the currently privileged
minoiorities, is there any doubt that every rightwinger to the starboard
of Joe Clark would have been hauled in for questioning?

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 08:02:36 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Neo-Nazis Support Judaism, Join Jewish Orgs
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There is a new organisation that I've recently learned about that
I think is excellent, and that all of us should swing our support to.
Let me tell you about it.
 
It's called 'USA Rebirth' and it's based in the South.  The leader is
Moshe Cohen, and in the pages of its 'USA Reborn' magazine are other
names: Ruby Diamond, Al Frank, and Ezer Rosenberg - white conservatives
that we can =trust=.  Members of USA Rebirth wear little Confederate
flag pins on their lapels, and yarmulkes on their heads [I'm not sure
what a yarmulke is, but I think it's some sort of ancient white symbol].
 
What is really ingenious and promising about it is the revolutionary
new strategy that it has adopted, which I am certain will win it the
success that other movement organisations only dream of.
 
The strategy is very simple.  To get the big break into the mainstream,
it has adopted a =multiracial= approach.  It welcomes interracial
couples and it features numerous black speakers at its conferences.
All of this is very positive, to present a 'front' to allay the typical
accusations of racism that we are usually met with when we take the old
primitive and backward approach of trying to keep the white racialist
movement white.
 
'USA Reborn' is excellent.  It is careful to not mention 'Race' except
when it praises multi-racialism and diversity [also a part of its
clever strategy].  A recent issue had a superb column by a black writer
praising miscegenation - which is exactly the kind of 'cover' that we
need when trying to get our publications a wider acceptance.
 
I applaud this strategy.  I just don't understand why none of us have
thought of these ideas before.  I am sure that 'USA Rebirth' will
win one success after another with it.  The old whites-only racialist
movement should have modernised itself long ago, but the troglodytes
held it back from these advanced tactics.
 
Now please, if any of you on this list is really serious about going
forward with this movement, then get out your checkbooks and start
putting your money where your mouths are.  You can make the checks
out directly to 'Moshe Cohen' of USA Rebirth.  Stop sending money
to any other groups and send it to USA Rebirth instead.
 
Anyone who criticises this organisation is not being tolerant enough
of the fact that some of us have different strategies and tactics.
I say to you: USA Rebirth is =doing something=; what are =you= doing?

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 08:02:37 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Showing Your White Physique
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  P R O P O S A L   F O R   A   W H I T E   G R E E T I N G - S I G N

   One of the things that constantly annoys me is when some pea-brained
liberal implies (or states flat out) that all races are the same, and differ
only in the minor detail of skin-colour.  Therefore, you are to be branded a
"silly" if you ever suggest different.  [Labelling an opposing viewpoint to
tarnish and dismiss it before the debate even has a chance to START is a
common totalitarian/PC/communist trick.] False relativism for the sake of calm
is preferred to the disturbing truths.

   But in this case, the liberal claim is demonstrably false.  Whites and
Blacks differ by bone-structure, skull shape, jawline, the development of
intellectual ability in spatial relationships, creativity, temperament and the
fostering of individuality (including family vs. tribal relationships).  How
can someone try to sweep all that under a rug and claim that Whites and Blacks
are the same?

   Jawline, for example, is a prominent feature that can not be ignored.
Primates have powerful jaws with wide mouths and upper and lower sets of
teeth protruding outward, for the maximum amount of crushing tooth
surface and perimeter, for the vegetarian diet of most primates.  Human
beings evolved tools to not only kill but cook and prepare their food,
to process and soften it, so the need for such a distorted jaw
disappeared. The jaw became smaller, less massive, and the front of the
jaw flattened out...

   Oops!  It didn't flatten out in Blacks so much!  Many Black people in
North America are hybrids from the unfortunate union of Black with
the White sub-species; their distinctly African traits are muted and
often you have to grudgingly give them half-marks for a beneficial White
trait (but ONLY half).  However, look at the purer African Black and
that protruding jaw of theirs, for which the adjective "prognathous"
exists.  It REALLY looks like it belongs in one of those charts showing
a series of ancient hominid skulls from millions of years ago, from Homo
erectus to Homo habilis to Blacks, through to Whites...

   This makes me think of a greeting I would like to promote among the White
-conscious community.

FIRST MOTION:  Hold an index finger vertically to your
jaw, with the tip of your finger under your nose.  This would be similar to
the motion for "Shhh! Be quiet!" except that the finger faces inward, i.e. the
fingernail out opposite from the face and the crook of the finger inward.

SECOND MOTION:  Keeping the finger stiff, hold your index up in the air,
sideways to show that it's straight.  A Black can't do that!  His jawline
curves and if he was honest and kept his finger stiff, it would have some
curved outline, it would NOT be straight.

THE MEANING:  As is sometimes the case, the gesture has several meanings
rolled into one, and depends on the recipient. To a fellow White man, it means
"Hi, I'm White too, see?" To a liberal race-traitor, it means, "The races DO
differ evolutionarily, and here's the proof." To a Black person, it means
simply, "You think you're the same as us? Bet you can't do
this..."

----------
Please spread this message by any medium through any White-conscious channels.
I don't care for credit, just for results.  If you have comments, improvements

[Obviously a white attitude.  Other races are selfish.]

or objections, well I accept that.  This is a democratic White country with

[Don't be so sure, whites are only 55% of the populace and being killed]
[off fast.  Only racial hatred can change this.]

free discussions, after all.  But try it my way for a while in your ordinary
dealings; when racially conscious people ask what you are doing, they will
probably be charmed by the explanation.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

! In article <31FE5DCD.671D@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom  writes:
! 
! 
! >Rich Graves wrote:
! 
! >> FYI, Kevin "We prefer the term National Socialist" Strom is more a Nazi
! >> talk-show host than a Revisionist. It's all just a sideshow to him. Kev is
! >> rather open about advocating genocide, today.
! 
! >I do not advocate genocide, Mr. Graves, and I strongly resent your
! >implication that I do.
! 
! Your strongly resenting muscles seem to get a lot of workout.
! 
! >Also, my middle name is Alfred. Where did you get
! >the quote you inserted there?
! 
! Perhaps from similar-speaking folks like Zundel and Kleim?
! 
! >Please cease your gross misrepresentations of me.
! 
! >Sincerely,
! 
! In what way, if any, have your expressed views grossly differed from those of
! the neonazis?   If there are only, at most, trivial differences, how could
! comparing you to such be anything other than a trivial misrepresentation, at
! worst?
! 
! Inquiring minds want to know....

Why have you posted hundreds of messages referring to Ron and butt rape?

! Joel Rosenberg   |  joelr@winternet.com  |  http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
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Freedom does no good where we do not exist.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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Who cares about putting white children in private schools, churches, 
waiting till marriage, graduation, etc.  What counts is creating more 
white life.  Sire and Bear!  REAL men have several white children by the 
time they are twenty years old.  And you can't be a women without several 
white children by twenty.  Reproduction solves all personal problems.
Do It!  Racism is the answer!

There is a titanic struggle unfolding in America today.
It is a struggle of far more consequence than passage of the
Contract with America, or the legislative defeat of the racial
quotas that have been the primary subject of this series. It is
the struggle in which the fate of Western Civilization will be
determined.

It is the struggle to reproduce.

As we have discussed in previous posts, the advertisers in our
mass media seek to encourage irrational purchases by appealing to
status longings and sexual frustration.  Prior to the invention
of photography shortly before 1850, young boys and girls
invariably formed their ideas of sexual attraction based upon
people they actually saw in their neighborhoods.

However, with the advent of the photograph and the use of the
photograph in advertising, it became possible to select rare and
infrequent images of human beauty and present them to the public
as the desired norm.  Thus, sexual imprinting came to be based
upon the result of a selection process that excluded all but a
very tiny fraction of the population. The selection was done for
commercial reasons. The scarcity of the image in real life
increased its advertising value. 

Politics in the 19th and 20th centuries has been largely a
struggle over equality.  However, few areas of life present more
stark and visible inequalities than sexual attraction. Given
equal amounts of exercise and training, most men can run the 100
meter dash at pretty much the same speed. The differences are
minor. 

But the aesthetic differences between individuals are absolutely
enormous -  orders of magnitude greater than the differences
between them in strength, manual dexterity or intelligence. In
other words, the ability of most people to make a contribution to
the economy is far more equal than their ability to attract a
mate (if the reasons for mating are exclusively based on
aesthetics, and not practical necessity).

The problem, of course, is that every advertisement published by
the press spreads images of women the like of which are seldom
seen in real life in most towns and cities in America.

You can search the streets of Manhattan for days and never see a
blonde beauty like Claudia Schiffer.  In cities such as
Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Columbus you can wander for days
through shopping malls of European-American neighborhoods and
never see a woman who comes anywhere close to looking like
Claudia Schiffer or Cindy Crawford.

You do see small numbers of women who look like them throughout
the Western United States, but it is still a minority.

The pathology created by these images are fairly predictable. 

Males are frustrated. Inevitably, the mate you pick will
represent a compromise. Nothing will match the images in the
movies or on TV.

The women know they cannot measure up and so the temptation is
not to try. They assume that men want what they see in the
movies, so they might as well become male-hating liberationists,
or stuff their faces and drop out of the sexual competition.

Organized ideological male-hating never existed until the advent
of movies and television. Indeed, if you are seeking an
explanation for the anti-white animus of our cultural elites 
(despite their Euro-American racial origins), sexual anger is an
excellent starting point.  Here is just one example from the
April 22, 1994 edition of the Wall Street Journal, page A1,
entitled "Mixed Signals":

     Mixed Signals
        * * *
       Some white students make an effort to cross the racial
     divide. Lisa Todorovich, a senior from Milwaukee who is the
     first in her family to attend college, took an African
     American Studies class last semester on the writings of Toni
     Morrison. In a class equally split between blacks and
     whites, Ms. Todorovich, 22, found herself for the first time
     feeling self-conscious about her skin color. 
       When the class discussed Ms. Morrison's "The Bluest Eye,"
     a book about how white ideals of beauty affect a black girl,
     Ms. Todorovich felt she, too, could relate. As a child, she
     felt unattractive because her looks didn't measure up to
     Shirley Temple's. "But I didn't open my mouth," she says,
     because she considered her childhood pain trivial compared
     with the experiences of black women in the class.
       * * *

Given the blatant anti-white attitudes of the cultural elites who
produce the icons of our popular culture, the most tempting
analogy is chemotherapy.  One suspects the poisons produced by
the dream meisters, while harmful to all, are intended to destroy
only the hated "white bread" of society. And, indeed, we find
considerable evidence of this intent in Race Bias #40.

But, paradoxically, that isn't how it works in actual practice.
In effect, the frustrated and angry dream meisters often end up
eating their own young.

Exhibit One comes from Eldridge Cleaver's "Soul on Ice," page 19.

     "This little game got good to me and I got good at it. I
     attacked all forms of piety, loyalty, and sentiment:
     marriage, love, God, patriotism, the Constitution, the
     founding fathers, law, concepts of right-wrong-good-evil,
     all forms of ritualized and conventional behavior. As I
     pranced about, club in hand, seeking new idols to smash, I
     encountered really for the first time in my life, with any
     seriousness, The Ogre, rising up before me in a mist. I
     discovered, with alarm, that The Ogre possessed a tremendous
     and dreadful power over me, and I didn't understand this
     power or why I was at its mercy. I tried to repudiate The
     Ogre, root it out of my heart as I had done God,
     Constitution, principles, morals, and values -- but The Ogre
     had its claws buried in the core of my being and refused to
     let go. I fought frantically to be free, but The Ogre only
     mocked me and sank its claws deeper into my soul. I knew
     then that I had found an important key, that if I conquered
     The Ogre and broke its power over me I would be free. But I
     also knew that it was a race against time and that if I did
     not win I would certainly be broken and destroyed. I, a
     black man, confronted The Ogre -- the white woman."

Continuing on page 23:
 
     "From our discussion, which began that evening and has never
     yet ended, we went on to notice how thoroughly, as a matter
     of course, a black growing up in America is indoctrinated
     with the white race's standard of beauty. Not that the
     whites made a conscious, calculated effort to do this, we
     thought, but since they constituted the majority the whites
     brainwashed the blacks by the very processes the whites
     employed to indoctrinate themselves with their own group
     standards. It intensified my frustrations to know that I was
     indoctrinated to see the white woman as more beautiful and
     desirable than my own black woman. It drove me into books
     seeking light on the subject. In Richard Wright's Native
     Son, I found Bigger Thomas and a keen insight into the
     problem."

And finally, beginning on page 25:

     "Somehow I arrived at the conclusion that, as a matter of
     principle, it was of paramount importance for me to have an
     antagonistic, ruthless attitude toward white women. The term
     outlaw appealed to me and at the time my parole date was
     drawing near, I considered myself to be mentally free - I
     was an "outlaw." I had stepped outside of the white man's
     law, which I repudiated with scorn and self-satisfaction. I
     became a law unto myself--my own legislature, my own supreme
     court, my own executive. At the moment I walked out of the
     prison gate, my feelings toward white women in general could
     be summed up in the following lines:
 
          TO A WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness Is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I hate you
          Because you're white.
          Your white meat
          Is nightmare food.
          White is
          The skin of Evil.
          You're my Moby Dick,
          White Witch,
          Symbol of the rope and hanging tree,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And hating you so,
          My heart is torn in two.
          Crucified. 

     "I became a rapist. To refine my technique and modus
     operandi, I started out by practicing on black girls in the
     ghetto--in the black ghetto where dark and vicious deeds
     appear not as aberrations or deviations from the norm, but
     as part of the sufficiency of the Evil of a day--and when I
     considered myself smooth enough, I crossed the tracks and
     sought out white prey. I did this consciously, deliberately,
     willfully, methodically--" 

Clearly, blacks suffer much more than whites from the images of
European beauty that are cast in front of them by the
advertisers.

Here is a second example from the perspective of a black female
reporter for the New York Times:

     Glamour Magazine October, 1995 p. 127
     Bridges:
     Light skin versus dark: A painful topic many blacks would
     rather not confront.
     By Charisse Jones

     I 'll never forget the day I was supposed to meet him. We
     had only spoken on the phone. But we got along so well, we
     couldn't wait to meet face-to-face. I took the bus from my
     high school to his for our blind date. While I nervously
     waited for him outside the school, one of his buddies came
     along, looked me over and remarked that I was going to he a
     problem, because his friend didn't like dating anybody
     darker than himself. 
       When my mystery man--who was not especially good-looking--
     finally saw me, he took one look, uttered a hurried hello,
     then disappeared with his smirking friends. I had apparently
     been pronounced ugly on arrival and dismissed. 
       That happened nearly 15 years ago. I'm 30 now, and the
     hurt and humiliation have long since faded. But the memory
     still lingers, reinforced in later years by other situations
     in which my skin color was judged by other African
     Americans--for example, at a cocktail party or a nightclub
     where light-skinned black women got all the attention. 
       A racist encounter hurts badly. But it does not equal the
     pain of "colorism" -- being rejected by your own people
     because your skin is colored cocoa and not cream, ebony and
     not olive. On our scale of beauty, it is often the high
     yellows--in the lexicon of black America; those with light
     skin whose looks reap the most attention. Traditionally, if
     someone was described that way, there was no need to say
     that person was good-looking. It was a given that light was
     lovely. It was those of us with plain brown eyes and darker
     skin hues who had to prove ourselves. 
       I was 12, and in my first year of junior high school in
     San Francisco, when I discovered dark brown was not supposed
     to be beautiful. At that age, boys suddenly became
     important, and so did your looks. But by that time--the late
     1970s--black kids no longer believed in that sixties mantra,
     "Black is beautiful." Light skin, green eyes and long, wavy
     hair were once again synonymous with beauty. 
       Colorism--and its subtext of self hatred--began during
     slavery on plantations where white masters often favored the
     lighter-skinned blacks, many of whom were their own
     children. But though it began with whites, black people have
     kept colorism alive. In the past, many black sororities,
     fraternities and other social organizations have been
     notorious for accepting only light-skinned members. Yes,
     some blacks have criticized their lighter-skinned peers. But
     most often in our history, a light complexion has been a
     passport to special treatment by both whites and blacks. 


It is hard to understand how anyone reading these words could
believe that the multi-racial empire was worth its costs.

The problem is that racial affronts and racial animus against
whites arise from well springs of human interaction that have
little or nothing to do with the actions of whites themselves.

What could any White person do to avoid the hurt of Charisse
Jones? The answer is not much, except to partition the country
into separate nations.

And absent that partitioning, people who's character and moral
judgment have been formed by racial anger and sexual frustration
gravitate naturally toward occupations in the media, where their
anger makes it much easier for them to participate in the broad
attack on middle american culture and its restraints.

Eldridge Cleaver sold over 2 million copies of Soul on Ice over
20 years ago. The cultural elites have been well aware of the
misery integrationism inflicts for at least several decades.

But that was 20 years ago when we were only required to imprint
upon the unattainable. Today, the giant consumer brands provide
us with much more powerful toxins.

     May 19, 1995 Wall Street Journal B5
     Advertising/by Fara Warner
     More Marketers Aiming Ads at Lesbians

       The magazine advertisement for Tuaca liqueur seems pretty
     traditional at first glance: Three trendy young women
     gabbing over drinks. 
       Then you realize the women are flirting with one another.
     Another advertising taboo is being shattered as Hiram Walker
     & Sons the distributor of Tuaca, joins a small wave of
     national advertisers targeting the lesbian market. 
       "In the last two years, there's been a much broader
     discussion of lesbianism," says Richard Mukamal, vice
     president and group category director for Hiram Walker's
     liqueurs. "Lesbianism has made its way into network
     television. It's part of a young, hip, urban demographic." 
       The "outing" of the lesbian market is drawing big-name
     advertisers such as American Express, Stolichnaya vodka,
     Atlantic Records and Naya bottled water to such magazines as
     Deneuve, Lesbian News, Girlfriends and On Our Backs which
     all have national distribution. In addition, Tanqueray vodka
     and Pierre Cardin have signed on to sponsor the television
     show "Freestyles," hosted by Amanda Bearse, the openly
     lesbian actress from the "Married ... With Children" TV
     series, according to the marketing publication Next News.
     The paid program will run this summer on cable channel VH-1
     with features that appeal to both gay women and gay men. 
       Most marketers use general ads that simply show their
     products, but a few marketers are being more direct with ads
     like Tuaca's and one for Atlantic Records showing two women
     holding hands at the beach. 
       For years, the lesbian market was overshadowed by the more
     vocal and more noticeable gay male audience, which a number
     of advertisers considered worth pursuing. Lesbians were
     stereotyped as less affluent than gay men and uninterested
     in traditional women's products such as cologne and
     cosmetics. 
       But now some marketers are taking another look, with
     brands like Unilever's Calvin Klein fragrances and Vivant
     skincare products considering advertising to the lesbian
     market. They are being swayed partly by new statistics
     breaking out lesbians from the overall gay population.
     Overlooked Opinions, a Chicago-based research firm that
     tracks the gay market, estimates that lesbians spend about
     $137 billion a year and have average household incomes of
     $42,755. 
       Beyond the numbers, lesbians have greater visibility, with
     lesbian relationships featured in television shows such as
     "Friends" and movies such as "Bar Girls" and "The Incredibly
     True Adventure of 2 Girls in Love."  Also, more women are
     joining celebrities such as k.d. Lang, Melissa Etheridge and
     Martina Navratilova in openly expressing their lesbianism. 
       "The market, both gay and lesbian, is one of the most
     highly educated and fiercely loyal audiences we have," says
     Vicky Germaise, senior vice president of Atlantic Records,
     which runs ads in Out and Genre magazines promoting lesbian
     artists such as Melissa Ferrick. 
       In addition to media, such advertisers as Seagram and
     Hiram Walker also are trying to reach the lesbian market
     through special events such as the Dinah Shore Weekend, a
     gathering held every March in Palm Springs. Calif., that
     draws about 20,000 women. The event occurs at the same time
     as the Nabisco-Dinah Shore golf tournament, but isn't
     connected to the Ladies Professional Golf Association
     tournament. 
      * * *"

And as the above excerpt makes clear, the driving force behind
production of these toxins is money.

And indeed, there are hints in the above quotes from the market
research types that the most educated and the highest income
groups are the most severely impacted by the toxins.

Reprinted from Race Bias #40, and from page 4 of the January 20,
1995 edition of the Jerusalem Post, is a more normal expression
of despair in the war to reproduce.  Indeed, it is clear that the
dream meisters of Beverly Hills are eating their young:

   A friend who lives in her own condo on the Upper West Side of
   Manhattan calls me.  She's 39, single, a partner in a Big
   Eight accounting firm and inexplicitly identified as a
   traditional Jew. She's called to say good-bye.

   It is the old story.  She is quitting New York, tired of
   looking for a husband, tired of being rejected by persnickety
   Jewish men.  Maybe it has something to do with their mothers
   or with their fathers or with their cousins from France, my
   friend speculates, laughing.  Who cares.  I'm outta here, she
   says. It's 1995.  She has to do something radical.  She is
   moving to India.
    * * * 
   The idea of moving to a Third World country - to a place she
   says where men are still men and where a white woman who can
   buy her own elephant for transportation is prized - is not
   new. Another SJF from Manhattan who moved to India several
   years ago became folklore.  In a small Jewish congregation in
   Bombay, she met her British-Jewish Hugh Grant.  Today they are
   married and living in London. 
 
   After 15 years of chasing Jewish men, my friend says her tired
   flesh wants a little adulation, a little lust, a little naches
   from having been born female. And she wants clamorous
   attention from thousands of men.  A Jewish Benazir Bhutto,
   that's what she wants.  So when her company decided to
   transfer the current managing partner in Bombay, she, to her
   parents' dismay, volunteered for the position. 
    * * * 
   Jewish men want what's intensely familiar to them -
   Eastern European food, intelligent female conversation - and
   what's intensely alien: extreme height, a degree of imagined
   carnality.  (SJFs in Tel Aviv report men there favor Dutch
   converts for wives.)
    * * * 
   The divorced men, according to my friend, are slightly
   different.  They act like they've just made a jailbreak.  They
   want a whole different model, preferably waitresses from
   Minnesota, science teachers from Duluth, basically any female
   whose never heard of Loehmann's, decorators or lawyers.  They
   want women who, when they hear they have to sign a pre-nuptial
   agreement, say, "Great!" 
    * * * 
   As the sun sets over the 20th century, one of the biggest
   jokes, according to my friend, is that Jewish men aren't
   anxious to marry her: a pert, admittedly aggressive, self-made
   Jewish woman.
 
   She blames traditional feminists whom, she believes, devalued
   female sexuality without concerning themselves with cultural
   trespass.  Traditional Jewish women, she says, who really
   believed they could "have it all" are paying the price. 
   Jewish men can't handle so much firepower.  They are seeking
   their white bread and mayonnaise elsewhere.
 
   According to my friend, it's not that Jewish men reject strong
   women, they just don't like the artifice unmasked.  They are
   still earnest, programmed to work hard for home and hearth but
   not for peers.  Only for pale, lanky types who say "great"
   every half-hour.
      * * * 

The above excerpt is consistent with the statistics. College
educated black women with advanced degrees have the lowest
birthrate in the nation. Second lowest is Jewish women. In both
cases, they are far below replacement levels.

As Lipsett and Raab state in "Jews and the New American Scene,"
page 46: 

     The Jewish birthrate is low and declining. The completed
     fertility rate for Jewish women age 45-49 is 20 percent
     below that of Jewish women of the same age 20 years ago,
     almost 20 percent below that of all American white women,
     and 10 percent less than the level needed for population
     replacement.

The irony of the article on lesbian advertising is that Edgar
Bronfman, chairman emeritus of Seagrams, marketer to lesbians and
purveyor of the message that the lezzie lifestyle is hip, is
the head of the American Jewish Committee, and like Lipset and
Raab, publicly bemoans the high intermarriage rates and low
birthrates of American Jews.

Well, it is Bronfman who produces the toxic waste that, to a
large measure, drives young Jewish women to leave the country,
and young Jewish men to seek out the genotype of the models in
his ads.

And, of course, Edgar Bronfman Jr., was busy chasing every shiksa
skirt in New York City 25 years ago.  Now Edgar Jr. has caused
Seagrams to buy 80% of MCA so that he can get into the movie
business and begin producing toxic waste on a much grander scale.

Daddy has much to atone for. Sonny doesn't care.

As if to anticipate the family's new onslaught, the elder
Bronfman's antidote to Seagram's cultural effluent is more
"Jewish education," by which he means the segregation of young
Jews so that they can imprint on one another, and to make
explicit the message that the cultural toxic waste flowing from
Seagrams and others is not meant for Jews.  Jews are supposed to
be smart enough to resist the stuff. Intermarriage is for goyim,
dummies!

Reality presents much more compelling arguments for racial
separation than slogans.  And indeed, in the United States,
minorities suffer at the hands of the integrationist state. The
reason they suffer is that the integrationist state is attempting
to do something that simply cannot be done. 

When several races are placed in a single country they compete.
That competition does not go away.  Our social sciences tend to
focus solely on legal relationships (like slavery) or economic
relationships (such as relative income levels).  But the truth is
that the social sciences conceal the most significant form of
competition - sexual selection.  Legislation cannot stop it or
the hurt it engenders. In fact, the well-springs of racial
feeling run so deep that they can never be eradicated. It is
foolish to try.

In the struggle for sexual survival, educated Blacks and Jews
are losing in the United States. But in all honesty, if Euro-
Americans are experiencing the "thrill of victory" in this area,
I would hate to experience "the agony of defeat."  As with so
many aspects of life in the Multi-Racial Empire, we are all
losing, it is just that European-Americans are losing at a
less rapid rate in this one particular arena.

If this seems paradoxical, I would suggest that it is one more
illustration of the powerful self-destructive impulse that the
Multi-racial empire stirs up in minorities. (See Yggdrasil's
Lesson #9.) The need to attack Euro-Americans is so overpowering
that the attackers pay scant attention to the casualties from
within their own ranks. 

>From  the economic perspective of the purveyors of our popular
culture, the ideal would be for all of us to become totally self-
absorbed, have no children, spend all of our income on impulse
and status related purchases, and then die off in a single
generation, to be replaced entirely by new immigrants.

Our advertisers are equal opportunity exterminationists.  They
could care less who gets destroyed by their wares.  They bestow
quotas on minorities in the hope that minorities will think the
system fair and refrain from direct challenges to the great herds
of freeway commuting Euro-Americans. If the Euro-American middle
class were to feel racially threatened, they might become
distracted from the urgent business of getting and spending.
Heaven forfend!

And as luck would have it, the agony of Erocide produces many
talented volunteers willing to attack the Euro-American middle
class and mold their moral sentiments in such a way that any
defensive racial response becomes impossible. After all, we
cannot let racial identity keep us from shopping till we drop!

In several earlier posts, I have argued with Milton Kleim that 
if by "National Socialism" he means government control of the
economy, 1930's style National Socialism makes no sense for Euro-
America in its present circumstance. Economic freedom has been
the primary offensive weapon of Western Civilization.  Shackling
our economic power with the dead hand of bureaucracy is a
prescription for our collective defeat.

If, on the other hand, "National Socialism" means some form of
public dampening of the cultural toxins that advertisers spread
to encourage the self-absorbed lifestyles that lead to
evolutionary failure, then Milton Kleim seems to have a valid
point.

Even if the sphere of activity of such a government were confined
to public exposure of the toxic waste, as opposed to its outright
repression, such a government would need a will and a ferocity to
resist the organized special interests and their frustrated,
angry minions that could only be described as "heroic."   
But let me suggest that government power gives us no magic bullet
for Euro-American survival. The truth is that Euro-American
survival depends upon our behavior as individuals and as part of
a group.  At this point, it has very little to do with who is
elected to the next Congress.

In Yggdrasil's lesson 10, I asked that all of you cut your cable
TV subscription.

We must minimize our exposure to advertising and its media. As
outlined earlier in this post, advertising has the primary
purpose of making us unhappy with our lot and leading us to
believe that an irrational purchase might help.  One of its
primary tools is sexual frustration. It causes us to imprint upon
largely unattainable images.

Second, advertising is the vehicle that brings us cultural
messages designed to weaken our motivation to make the sacrifices
necessary to preserve our own kind. After all, why would one wish
to go through all the work of having children when they will just
be "white bread" or "wimpy white guys" or "barbie and ken dolls"
or one of any number of other epithets served up to us in word
and picture by the dream meisters of Beverly Hills.

We are all much better off if our kids learn to interact with
real people rather than watching TV all the time.

Further, once several million of us cut off the cable, it creates
opportunities for entrepreneurs to create new media and a new
cultural message to communicate to us.

But more important, by isolating ourselves from the commercial
media, we can begin to overcome the many pathologies that limit
us in our everyday lives.

Most relevant for you college students are those cultural
pathologies that make finding a mate much more difficult than it
should be. Let's list a few examples:

Young men (and women) often select mates for "status" reasons
rather than on how well they get along together. Young men and
women carry around images and ideals of the perfect mate (crafted
in large part by the media) that are often destructive.

First, high status females are hard to find. Women with IQs above
130 constitute only 2% of the female population. If you restrict
yourself to that group, you will have very few examples to pick
>from  and you are likely to end up with a compromise that requires
more than the normal amount of endurance to live with.

Second, females with IQs above 130 mature much more slowly than
the general population.  Thus, they tend to have greater hangups
about their physical attractiveness.  They are much more
susceptible to feminist ideology as a universalized and
institutionalized excuse for their own self-imposed sexual
failures.

Third are the crippling effects of prosperity.  Most high status
females spend 10 to 12 years perfecting the manipulative
behaviors that enable them to avoid doing the dishes and cleaning
their rooms. There are limits to how much nagging mom is willing
to do; and dad will not resort violence or severe economic
coercion. The bottom line is that the young princesses have
become expert in turning mom and dad into maid service.

And of course, having children means doing lots of dishes and
other lowly chores. It may seem shocking, but the abysmally low
birthrate of college educated women has almost nothing to do with
ideology and everything to do with avoiding maid service.  After
training for 12 years to handle mom and dad, don't be surprised
if she has the same thing in mind for you. 

This deep and irrational status aversion to doing chores not only
has personal consequences (low birthrates) but has enormous
secondary economic and political consequences as well. It means
that much of the economic value of household tasks is moved from
the untaxed self-help economy to the transaction economy where it
yields tax revenue that strengthens our oppressive government. To
avoid untaxed household work, the career woman gets a job and
gives up 40% of her wage in taxes just to spend the remainder to
buy fast food every night (rewarding those high advertising
budgets) and to hire day care and maid service, which, in turn
generates more tax revenue.

>From  the perspective of a successful male, eating pizza and
McDonalds hamburgers every night (it is surprisingly expensive)
hardly seems like much of a reward for a successful business
career.

The second career is not the problem. Rather, it is the
inevitable irrational spending and the irrationality of the
lifestyle that follows.

For you young Lotharios who want to take on the challenge of
having a family with the "high status" female college graduate,
the Ole Ygg says "go for it!" Just don't allow yourself to be
surprised at the agenda you may face the day after the wedding
if you fail to work these issues out in advance. If her agenda
is the same as the agenda of the society around her, then it
ain't likely to have anything to do with personal sacrifice or
the survival of the Euro-American race.

If the Ole Ygg has one piece of advice, it is to ignore your own 
status perceptions and concentrate on finding a mate who delights
your aesthetic senses. If she is smart enough to communicate well
with you, she is smart enough to have your children.

The truth is that our status yearnings have been thoroughly
manipulated by the media in ways that make it more and more
difficult for Euro-Americans to get along and reproduce. These
status images have become unreliable. Shed them.

For all the media talk about sexual freedom and liberation, our
popular culture makes an unmistakable statement. The status of a
woman can be measured by how often she says "no."  The women with
the greatest status are the ones who have sex the least often and
with the fewest partners. 

The image applies across the board from Janet Reno and Hillary
Clinton to the young starlets on the TV series 90210.

I will never forget the stunning episode of 90210 in which
Shannon Doherty's character (Brenda) loses her virginity to Luke
Perry's character (Dillon) the night of the prom. The day after
the big event, Doherty's character breaks off the relationship
complaining that she didn't know whether she enjoyed it. I
watched this episode in amazement, wondering what sort of extra
bonus they had to pay Luke Perry to play along with this insult
to his masculinity and to pretend that he wanted the ice princess
back. It was impossible to suspend my disbelief.

In truth, the images produced by the mass media are profoundly
hostile to heterosexual sex. In Hollywood, frigidity among
heterosexual females is the expected norm.  Sexual failure is the
expected norm. It is no accident that the real heroine of 90210
was the producer's daughter, Tori Spelling, who managed to say
"no" to everyone in every episode. She never made anyone happy!

These messages have an effect.

They give broad license to the status ranking among the herds of
suburban PTA moms. Being 40 pounds overweight is the irrefutable
symbol of arrival at the exhaulted position of having to please
no one.  Pity the poor divorced woman who has to lose 30 pounds
to find a new husband, or the slender model types who are so
insecure about their place in society that they must maintain
their sexual prowess and skills. Low status work indeed!

In truth folks, all human societies seek to control reproduction
of their members.  Our modern American society is no exception.

What is surprising is that Hollywood had so little difficulty
wresting control from the priesthood.  But once the priesthood
was replaced, it was no surprise that Hollywood satisfied the
market demand for sexual expression with fare that avoids any
suggestion of a joyous link between sex, rewarding relationships
and procreation. And indeed, the images it sells are uniformly of
sexual frustration and failure.

The Ole Ygg is always bemused by the protests against pornography
orchestrated by the religious right. If you have a teenage boy,
you had better watch a few of these films, because your teenage
son certainly will. The stuff is all over the place.  And when
you do watch a few of these movies, it becomes obvious that the
sexual message is exactly the same as the sexual message of
90210. It is only the explicit acrobatics that are different. The
message of the porn flicks is that even women who habitually say
"yes" are at best frigid, but more likely lesbians, and that men
are better off withdrawing from it all and masturbating.

Seldom ever do porn movies portray normal heterosexual
intercourse that ends in a happy conclusion for both parties.

It is just more of the same toxic waste with the same message.

I see no reason to treat pornography more harshly than Network
television. The messages are indistinguishable.

No matter what your station in life, whether it is a teenager
trying to build your own sexual identity, a young adult trying to
find a mate, or an older adult trying to raise children, you face
a formidable challenge.

The first step in coping with that challenge is to stop the flow
of poison into your home.  Cut the cable TV subscription. Then,
seek out sources of culture that assist in our collective
survival. 

Gents, if you have daughters, you are going to have to do the
dishes with them occasionally, and convey the message that
household chores are meaningful activities that you care about
doing right. More than mere convenience is at stake here.

The typical middle class father will push his daughter to become
"independent" and a "career woman" so that he will not have to
support her. Thus, the real, unspoken message to middle class
girls is that no young male is likely to want to support her for
the value of her companionship. Children listen to deeds, not
words, and the real message that the typical middle class male
communicates to his daughter is that no young man can be trusted
to want her for any considerable period of time.

As counter-intuitive as this might be for a father, you
are going to have to make clear to your daughters that you admire
and respect the women that have the most sex (and the most
offspring) and not those that have the least. This principle
applies whether you raise your family in the Christian tradition
of glorifying sex by saving it for marriage, or (most likely by
default rather than by design) in a more instinctive and pagan
tradition in which sex is glorified for its power to unify and
continue the tribe.

To your sons, you are going to have to make clear the enlightened
self-interest motivating the chivalry of Gismond in Robert
Browning's classic poem, "Count Gismond."

These issues are not new. 

Gentlemen, rebellion against our tormentors may come in time. But
first we must strengthen ourselves and reconstruct our personal
and cultural defenses.

We have not arrived at this pass through conquest, but through
our own divisions and our own weakness.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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In <4u07nj$427@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
! 
! >an569972@anon.penet.fi (White Aryan Warrior) wrote:
! 
! >>
! >>Should I buy the Turner Diaries or search for them in a
! >>library?
! >>Why are this fictional book so controversial tht no one
! >>other than Layle Stuard would touch it?
! 
! >If you want to read it, you'll have to buy it. You won't find it
! >in any library: it's VERBOTEN!
! 
! >The work is an anti-Semitic polemic, taking up where Hitler
! >left off--only more extreme in it's views. Certainly you can get
! >a copy through the Metzgers, but don't go looking for it from
! >IHR or any Revisionst org. Revisionists aren't anti-Semites.
! >They simply object to history being falsified to rationalize
! >Zionist extortion (and keeping McVey shopping at Brooks
! >Brothers).
! 
! Ding-dong, you're wrong.
! 
! Go to a public library, and have the librarian run an OCLC search.
! 
! Turner Diaries is in dozens of public and university libraries.
! 
! The copy from NYPL is missing, tho.
! 
! Andrew

You can ONLY buy it from the National Alliance, which is fine, 
considering their good reputation.

! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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In <4u07nj$427@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote:
! 
! >an569972@anon.penet.fi (White Aryan Warrior) wrote:
! 
! >>
! >>Should I buy the Turner Diaries or search for them in a
! >>library?
! >>Why are this fictional book so controversial tht no one
! >>other than Layle Stuard would touch it?
! 
! >If you want to read it, you'll have to buy it. You won't find it
! >in any library: it's VERBOTEN!
! 
! >The work is an anti-Semitic polemic, taking up where Hitler
! >left off--only more extreme in it's views. Certainly you can get
! >a copy through the Metzgers, but don't go looking for it from
! >IHR or any Revisionst org. Revisionists aren't anti-Semites.
! >They simply object to history being falsified to rationalize
! >Zionist extortion (and keeping McVey shopping at Brooks
! >Brothers).
! 
! Ding-dong, you're wrong.
! 
! Go to a public library, and have the librarian run an OCLC search.
! 
! Turner Diaries is in dozens of public and university libraries.
! 
! The copy from NYPL is missing, tho.
! 
! Andrew

You can ONLY buy it from the National Alliance, which is fine, 
considering their good reputation.

! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 09:36:47 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Jewish Traitor Capitalist Pigs
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Jews invariably act in their own interests, selfishly squandering the 
lives of millions:
 
Joe McCarthy - Sabotaged by his supposed anti-communist assistants, Cohn and
Shein, which consequently destroyed the last best chance we had at exposing
and rooting-out the communist and marxist subversives. His Jewish assistants
were taken in, if you might remember, to deflect charges of anti-Semitism
which were foreseen to be unavoidible. Net result: zero. Government
infiltrated with marxists.
 
John Birch Society - Exposed, after extensive investigation prompted by
high-ranking member Dr. Revilo Oliver, as being run from behind the scenes
by a group of Jews. Oliver resigned in disgust after he obtained proof of
this. Net result: wasted vast amounts of White money and energy.
 
Rhodesia - Jews were allowed into the White separatist/conservative movement
and once their position was secure, drove out "anti-semitic" elements, thus
crushing previously gained momentum made possible through efforts of
Information Minister, Ivor Benson.
Net result: Rhodesia lost to our race. Murder, rapes, and violence committed
against White population. 

[The Oppenheimer clan was especially at fault here.  Needless to say, no]
[Jews in the world ever criticized Oppenheimer, Bronfman, et all, as a group]
[regardless of the politics of the Jews.]
 
American Conservatives - Effort spearheaded by William F. Buckley to drive
"anti-semitic" elements from conservative/anti-communist movement.
Conservatives accepted a bills of goods that essentially said: You can't be
anti-communist without being called anti-semitic, so bring in the Jews.
Buckley openly credited by the Jews for this action.
Net result: Jews and leftists pour into and take over conservatism, making
it into neo-conservative dominated movement.

It's not communism or leftism per se' that is evil, it's specifically 
the Judaism of those movements as so far have been their only examples.  
Communal ownership of property, for instance, is capable of being a 
patriotic paradise, but only, repeat, only if the movement is racist.
Communism is an excellent tool for instilling racial hatred in the people.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 09:36:48 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Here! Nationalism!
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What Do Nationalists Want?

Majority-Rule Democracy

    Nationalists are seeking a new, Nationalist America, with full,
    majority-rule democracy, social justice and freedom. American Nationality

[Instead, why not get to the common denominator?  Without race, we would]
[not be!  We can live without freedom, but we can't live without existing.]

    will be reasserted by the redefining of American Citizenship to
    subtract three, debilitating elements:

     * Non-Americans: Wetbacks, boat people and aliens who crash our
       borders, trash our Way of Life and treat our country as a
       big grab-bag, including domestic, incompatible minorities
       and defectives incapable of citizenship. 

Here, Here!

     * Anti-Americans: Enemies of the nation who give aid and comfort to
       America's foes or who seek to overthrow the American Nation, such
       as communists, communist-sympathizers, cultists, traitors and
       other subversives. 

[Hey, there's room for racist communists too.  Communism has many]
[virtues, such as giving up capitalism in favor of race, community values.]
              
     * Un-Americans: Egregiously anti-social elements, homosexuals,
       riot-prone minorities, dastardly criminals, drug-dealers and
       perverts. 

[Homosexuals, criminals, drug dealers and perverts can be reformed.  It's]
[race that causes those problems, racism cures all problems.]

References

   1. http://www.nationalist.org/platform.html#Citizenship
   2. http://www.nationalist.org/contacts.html
   3. http://www.nationalist.org/index.html
   4. http://www.Lpage.com/~wsapi/cfusion?template=/wgb/wgbsign.dbm&owner=nationalist

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 10:28:03 PDT 1996
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I've spoken with you before about the breakdown of the judicial system
in this country. Right after the OJ Simpson trial last year I pointed
out that the courts in America have become terminally corrupt. I gave
you an example of this corruption: the 1992 trial of a young White man
named George Loeb in a Florida court. That was a case in which Mr Loeb
and his wife had gone to a supermarket to shop and in the parking lot
nearly had their car struck by a car driven by a young Black male. Angry
words were exchanged. Then the Black male drove away, and the Loebs did
their shopping.

When the Loebs returned to their car, the Black male drove back into the
parking lot, this time with a Black friend. He got out of his car and
approached the Loebs' car on foot. He had a brick in his hand and was
screaming that he intended to smash Mr. Loeb's head in with the brick.
Mr. Loeb snatched a pistol from the glove compartment of his car and
shot the Black dead. It was a clear case of self-defense.

A Jewish prosecutor, however, charged Mr. Loeb with murder, and he was
put on trial. With the permission of a cooperative judge, the prosecutor
read to the jury personal correspondence which had been illegally seized
>from  Mr. Loeb's home. The correspondence revealed that Mr. Loeb had a
strong dislike for Blacks. It revealed that he was a "White racist."

The jury did the Politically Correct thing and found Mr. Loeb guilty of
murder. Then the judge did the Politically Correct thing and sentenced
him to life in prison.

At the time I told you about the Loeb trial I pointed out that similarly
horrifying things happen in our court system all the time, and that the
average person never hears about them. I pointed out that the OJ Simpson
trial was unusual only in the amount of publicity it received, but
_not_ in its failure to yield a just verdict.

Now let's talk about another recent trial which illustrates my point.

That's the New York trial of Bernhard Goetz. Perhaps you remember when
this case first came to public attention, 12 years ago. Goetz, a
36-year-old electronics engineer, was riding the New York subway when
four Black thugs approached him and demanded that he give them money.
Goetz responded in a perfectly reasonable way: he pulled out his
revolver and shot all four of them. Unfortunately, he didn't kill them,
although he did cripple one of them. The three Blacks who weren't
crippled recovered and continued their lives of crime. And New York
being what it is, Goetz was arrested and charged with attempted murder
for protecting himself. He was also charged with having a weapon to
defend himself. He ended up going to prison for the better part of a
year. _For having a gun to defend himself._

And then a couple of Jewish lawyers from the Communist-front National
Lawyers Guild, William Kunstler and Ronald Kuby, sued Mr. Goetz on
behalf of one of the Blacks who had tried to rob him. The case dragged
through the courts, using up all of Mr. Goetz' savings. Kunstler died
during the process, but Kuby persevered. The case finally went to the
jury last month: a Bronx, New York, jury of four Blacks and two Puerto
Ricans. The jury decided that Mr Goetz should pay $43 million to the
Black who had tried to rob him. _Forty-three million dollars_.

The Jewish lawyer gloated over the verdict and crowed that it
"sends a message to all racists with guns who think young Black
lives are worth nothing. They're worth a lot."

Score another loss for decent folks. Score another win for the
Clintonistas. Score another win for the forces of corruption and
destruction. Score another win for the Jews.

You know, I don't want to create the impression that I believe that the
destruction of America's system of justice is entirely the Jews' doing.
They certainly are heavily involved in it. They were heavily involved,
decisively involved in all three cases I've cited as examples of what's
happened to our judicial system: the OJ Simpson trial, the George Loeb
trial, and the Bernhard Goetz trial. Jews are heavily involved in the
corruption and destruction of _every aspect_ of our civilization. It's
in their nature. But to be frank, our legal system was in serious
trouble even _before_ the Jews became involved in it.

Nearly three centuries ago, 270 years ago to be exact, the English
writer Jonathan Swift wrote of the lawyers of his day that they are,
"men . . . bred up from their youth in the art of proving by words
multiplied for the purpose that white is black, and black is white,
according as they are paid." Swift went on to give a satirical
illustration of the way the court system worked in the England of his
day. I'll quote just a few words of what he wrote. It's from his
best-known book, _Gulliver's Travels_, and I'm paraphrasing
it a bit. Swift explained:

"My neighbor . . . I will suppose, has a mind to my cow; he hires...
[a lawyer] to prove that he ought to have my cow from me. I must then
hire another of them to defend my right, it being against all rules of
law that any man should be allowed to speak for himself. Now in this
case, I who am the right owner lie under two great disadvantages. First,
my advocate, being as I said before practiced almost from his cradle in
defending falsehood, is quite out of his element when he would argue for
right, which as an office unnatural he attempts with great awkwardness,
if not with an ill will. The second disadvantage is that my advocate
must proceed with great caution, for since the maintenance of so many
depends on the keeping up of business, should he proceed too summarily,
if he does not incur the displeasure of his superiors, he is sure to
gain the ill will and hatred of his brethren as being by them esteemed
one that would lessen the practice of the law.

"This being the case, I have but two methods to preserve my cow. The
first is to gain over my adversary's advocate with a double fee....
The second way is for my advocate not to insist on the justice of my
cause, by allowing the cow to belong to my adversary; and this if it be
dexterously and skillfully done will go a great way toward obtaining a
favorable verdict, it having been found from a careful observation of
issues and events that the wrong side, under the management of such
practitioners, has the fairer chance for success....

"It is a maxim among these lawyers that whatever hath been done before
may legally be done again, and therefore they take special care to
record all the decisions formerly made against common justice and the
general reason of mankind. These, under the name of precedents, they
produce as authorities to justify the most iniquitous opinions....

"In pleading they studiously avoid entering into the merits of the
cause, but are loud, violent, and tedious in dwelling on all
circumstances which are not to the purpose. For instance, in the case
already mentioned they never desire to know what claim my adversary hath
to my cow, but whether the said cow were red or black, her horns long or
short, whether the field I graze her in be round or square, whether she
were milked at home or abroad, what diseases she is subject to, and the
like. After which, they consult precedents, adjourn the cause from time
to time, and in ten, twenty, or thirty years come to an issue."

Now Swift, as I mentioned, was a satirist, but there was much truth in
what he wrote about the lawyers and the judicial system of three hundred
years ago. It is striking how little that system has changed between
Swift's day and ours.

Four hundred years ago, at a time when there were no Jews at all in
England, Shakespeare had one of the characters in his play _King
Henry VI_ say, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the
lawyers." And that expression of popular sentiment was already
widespread in Shakespeare's day -- and not without reason.

The basic problem is that our legal profession never has been a
profession devoted to justice, but rather to arguing, as Swift noted,
that white is black or black is white, according as its practitioners
are paid. The principal aim of the profession is the enrichment of
lawyers, and the court system functions accordingly. And the lawyers who
become judges and rule over this system tend not to be the most just,
but rather the slickest, slyest, and most ambitious men of their
profession.

It was a bad system to start with, and that's our fault. It's something
we really must straighten out one of these days. But it has been made
much, much worse by the Jewish influx into the system during this
century. It has gotten to the point now where Blacks can literally get
away with murder, if they have the money to hire a clever lawyer and if
they can get a preponderance of Blacks on the jury. And Whites can
expect to be crucified by the system, in any case where race is an
issue, if they either cannot afford to pay a sufficiently clever and
aggressive lawyer, or if they are unfortunate enough to have a
preponderance of non-Whites on their jury. Poor Bernhard Goetz suffered
both from an incompetent lawyer, a Jewish lawyer, incidentally, just
like his adversary's lawyer, and from a non-White jury. The fellow's
life has been ruined, because he dared to resist a gang of Black
muggers.

Now, all of this does not mean that it is impossible
for a White person to get justice in our courts. If one is lucky, one
will not have the unfortunate circumstances that George Loeb and
Bernhard Goetz had. And of course, it helps a great deal to be
rich. Those who are very wealthy can still hope to buy justice
in the courts -- if they don't live in a place like New York or Los
Angeles. And there are still a few honorable and competent lawyers in
the profession. I know some of them personally. There may even be an
honest judge or two left in the system, who still put the law above
Political Correctness.

Nevertheless, those of us who have only modest means must look at an
encounter with the legal justice system in America almost like a game of
Russian roulette, especially where there is any racial issue. We've seen
over and over again, and not just in the OJ Simpson trial, the
reluctance of Black juries to convict Black criminals for offenses
against Whites. And we've seen the same sort of racially motivated
verdicts when Whites are tried by non-White juries. The fact is that
non-White jurors usually have a strong sense of racial consciousness.
They vote in accordance with their racial feelings instead of in
accordance with the law and the evidence.

And White jurors, unfortunately, lack this sense of racial
consciousness. They are far more likely to vote in a Politically Correct
manner, as they did in the George Loeb case, or to let themselves be
intimidated into going along with the Blacks, as was the case with the
two White women on the OJ Simpson jury. White Americans have been so
brainwashed and browbeaten by the controlled media that they are afraid
to express even the tiniest bit of racial feeling. There is nothing they
fear more than being thought to be racist. Some of them have even let
their natural racial feelings become inverted: their racial
consciousness has become racial self-hatred. They automatically
favor the non-White side in any racial issue.

So a judicial system which was bad enough back in the days when America
was still a White country has become much, much worse in the racially
polarized country we have today. Can you imagine what it will be like in
another 50 years, when Whites will be a minority in America? Imagine
that you've been obliged to shoot a Black or Mexican burglar in your
home or to defend your wife against a gang of non-White attackers.
Imagine a Jewish prosecutor then forcing you to stand trial before a
jury which has a non-White majority. A frightening prospect, isn't it,
regardless of whether or not the prosecutor will introduce any evidence
that your opinions on racial matters are not Politically Correct?

One would think that the legal profession itself would have tried to
keep matters from becoming as bad as they have, if only from
self-interest. They understand as well as anyone that when the public
loses its last traces of confidence in the system of justice, the
lawyers will be in trouble. But instead of trying to keep the system
working, they have let it be corrupted even further by Jewish pressure
groups pushing for what they call "hate crime" legislation. We've all
heard this yammering in the media about the need for new laws to stop
"hate crimes." The Jewish groups doing the pushing -- groups such as the
Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and
the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center are referred to respectfully
by the media as "human rights organizations," but that's a terrible 
misnomer. These organizations are working to take away our rights. They 
want to make it _illegal_ to say anything they don't like. Anything they 
don't like they call "hate speech." In the past they used to apply 
behind-the-scenes pressure in order to stifle the views they didn't like. 
They would approach publishers and demand that any book they deemed 
hostile to their own interests be withdrawn from publication. They wrote 
to librarians and demanded that books they didn't like be taken off the 
shelves. They contacted the owners of bookstores with the same demand.

In fact, they're still engaged in this sort of secret censorship. The
Southern Poverty Law Center and other Jewish organizations right now are
putting pressure on bookstore chains in an effort to keep one of my
books, _The Turner Diaries_, out of circulation. They like to wave it
around on television and quote from it and tell everyone what a
_dangerous_ book it is, what a _racist_ book it is, but they don't want
you to be able to read it for yourself.

Fortunately, most bookstore owners are becoming resistant to this sort
of un-American censorship effort. So these Jewish groups are lobbying
the lawyers and the politicians. They want the legislators in Congress
to help them abolish the First Amendment.

And they've also been lobbying for more laws against what they call
"hate crime". To them George Loeb was a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself and his wife against a Black attacker threatening them
with a brick. And Bernhard Goetz is a "hate criminal" because he
defended himself against four Black muggers on the subway. White people
who defend themselves against Blacks are "hate criminals."

Now, they won't come right out and state it that plainly, of course. But
that's what they _mean_ when they talk about "hate crime".
They want Whites to be afraid to defend themselves. They want White
people to be demoralized and intimidated. They want every White person
to feel guilty for even _thinking_ about defending himself
or his family or his property from the growing flood of non-Whites all
around him. That's what the Jewish lawyer who first bankrupted Bernhard
Goetz with litigation and then got a $43 million judgment against him
meant when he gloatingly announced that the verdict of the non-White
jury, "sends a message to all racists with guns."

You can't defend yourselves from us, Kuby was smirking. In effect, he
was saying, _If you don't let us do whatever we want, you're a
hate criminal, and we'll use the justice system to destroy you_.

And in fact, that's what's happening. The court system in America has
become so corrupt that it is being used by the enemies of our people to
take away our most fundamental rights. And those who have corrupted the
system are working day and night to institutionalize the corruption.
They are working with the politicians to ensure that the shocking
miscarriages of justice they obtained in the Loeb trial in Florida and
the Goetz trial in New York become the rule everywhere. And the White
lawyers and judges are putting up very little resistance. They don't
want to rock the boat. They don't want to endanger their own positions
in the system. They know that anything they say against what is
happening will be condemned by the controlled media and by many of their
own colleagues as "hate speech." So they're permitting the Jews to
corrupt the system and in many cases are even helping them.

What can we do about this frightening and depressing situation, besides
trying our best to avoid any encounter with courts or lawyers? Shall we
promise ourselves that if we ever have to shoot a burglar we'll just get
rid of the body and not call the police? Shall we promise ourselves that
if we ever have to defend ourselves against a non-White mugger we'll
leave no witnesses alive to testify against us?

No, that's really not practical.

The first thing that we can do is stop being frightened and depressed
and instead become _angry._ Our enemies want us to be frightened and
depressed. That's what they intend when they gloat and announce that
they're sending a message to all "racists with guns." So instead of
being intimidated by this Jewish arrogance, we must become _enraged_.

We must become _boiling mad._ We must let our anger reinforce our
determination to put a final and total end to their corrupt system, no
matter what it takes.

And the second thing that we must do is speak up.

Don't remain silent in the face of this Jewish assault on our freedom
and on our civilization. When a mostly Black jury frees a Black
murderer, as in the OJ Simpson trial, express your outrage! Don't be
afraid of being called a "racist." When a White man is punished for
defending himself against Black criminals, speak up! Tell people what
you think.

That's what we're doing with this program. We're speaking up. We're
telling people what we think about the destruction of our justice
system. And we're finding that more and more people agree with us.

You speak up too. Don't be afraid!

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.



From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 10:52:48 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Jewish Traitor Capitalist Pigs
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Jews invariably act in their own interests, selfishly squandering the 
lives of millions:
 
Joe McCarthy - Sabotaged by his supposed anti-communist assistants, Cohn and
Shein, which consequently destroyed the last best chance we had at exposing
and rooting-out the communist and marxist subversives. His Jewish assistants
were taken in, if you might remember, to deflect charges of anti-Semitism
which were foreseen to be unavoidible. Net result: zero. Government
infiltrated with marxists.
 
John Birch Society - Exposed, after extensive investigation prompted by
high-ranking member Dr. Revilo Oliver, as being run from behind the scenes
by a group of Jews. Oliver resigned in disgust after he obtained proof of
this. Net result: wasted vast amounts of White money and energy.
 
Rhodesia - Jews were allowed into the White separatist/conservative movement
and once their position was secure, drove out "anti-semitic" elements, thus
crushing previously gained momentum made possible through efforts of
Information Minister, Ivor Benson.
Net result: Rhodesia lost to our race. Murder, rapes, and violence committed
against White population. 

[The Oppenheimer clan was especially at fault here.  Needless to say, no]
[Jews in the world ever criticized Oppenheimer, Bronfman, et all, as a group]
[regardless of the politics of the Jews.]
 
American Conservatives - Effort spearheaded by William F. Buckley to drive
"anti-semitic" elements from conservative/anti-communist movement.
Conservatives accepted a bills of goods that essentially said: You can't be
anti-communist without being called anti-semitic, so bring in the Jews.
Buckley openly credited by the Jews for this action.
Net result: Jews and leftists pour into and take over conservatism, making
it into neo-conservative dominated movement.

It's not communism or leftism per se' that is evil, it's specifically 
the Judaism of those movements as so far have been their only examples.  
Communal ownership of property, for instance, is capable of being a 
patriotic paradise, but only, repeat, only if the movement is racist.
Communism is an excellent tool for instilling racial hatred in the people.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 10:52:49 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
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What Do Nationalists Want?

Majority-Rule Democracy

    Nationalists are seeking a new, Nationalist America, with full,
    majority-rule democracy, social justice and freedom. American Nationality

[Instead, why not get to the common denominator?  Without race, we would]
[not be!  We can live without freedom, but we can't live without existing.]

    will be reasserted by the redefining of American Citizenship to
    subtract three, debilitating elements:

     * Non-Americans: Wetbacks, boat people and aliens who crash our
       borders, trash our Way of Life and treat our country as a
       big grab-bag, including domestic, incompatible minorities
       and defectives incapable of citizenship. 

Here, Here!

     * Anti-Americans: Enemies of the nation who give aid and comfort to
       America's foes or who seek to overthrow the American Nation, such
       as communists, communist-sympathizers, cultists, traitors and
       other subversives. 

[Hey, there's room for racist communists too.  Communism has many]
[virtues, such as giving up capitalism in favor of race, community values.]
              
     * Un-Americans: Egregiously anti-social elements, homosexuals,
       riot-prone minorities, dastardly criminals, drug-dealers and
       perverts. 

[Homosexuals, criminals, drug dealers and perverts can be reformed.  It's]
[race that causes those problems, racism cures all problems.]

References

   1. http://www.nationalist.org/platform.html#Citizenship
   2. http://www.nationalist.org/contacts.html
   3. http://www.nationalist.org/index.html
   4. http://www.Lpage.com/~wsapi/cfusion?template=/wgb/wgbsign.dbm&owner=nationalist

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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In <4u8fqi$p47@news.nyu.edu> emb9243@is.nyu.edu (Evan M. Bundis) writes:

! It just occurred to me today while having lunch that in fact,
! intermarriage is the holocaust of the next century -- the constant
! outmarriage will ultimately end up exterminating the number of American
! Jews.
! 
! Has anyone else thought this?

Consider the comparisons:

In 1943, Edgar Bronfman stated that two million European Jews had already
died, and predicted that four million Jews were soon to die, leaving one
million survivors.

In 1995, it's been projected that two million American Jews have already 
died by intermarriage, with four million more on the way, leaving only 
one million survivors by the year 2045.

Intermarriage is indeed akin to the Final Solution.  And Jews are as 
complicit in the Holocaust as in 1943.

! -Evan

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 13:44:39 PDT 1996
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llurch@stanford.edu writes:

Skippy got this gem from Declan McCullagh's so-called fight-censorship
list, a forum for the criticism of people and organizations that Declan

[Your just jealous of Declan.  Declan+@cmu.edu is one of the good guys who]
[voted for rec.music.white-power.]

McCullagh does not like. Below is my reply, which Declan blocked from
reaching the strictly content-moderated fight-censorship list.

[Not.  Declan has Rush Graves in his killfile because of trolling.  Rush]
[simply cannot accept the idea that there are other people opposed to]
[censorship more than he is.]

-rich
 http://www.c2.org/~rich/

>From  llurch@Networking.Stanford.EDU Wed Aug  7 10:51:41 1996
~Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:51:39 -0700 (PDT)
~From: Rich Graves 
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What the hell is this doing here? This has nothing to do with censorship,
online or off.

[What do you mean torching Ernst Zundel wasn't censorship?  The police]
[dragged their feet on the investigation, contributing to an atmosphere of]
[murderous censorship.]

On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, C-FAR wrote:

> CSIS Calls Itself =D2Canada=D5s Political Police=D3 & States ARA Torched
> Zundel=D5s House
>=20
> Since the outrageously biased Heritage Front Affair Report published by
> the Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC), a group of appointed
> political has-beens and bagmen, we have had serious concerns that
> Canada=D5s security apparatus is utterly out of control and is spying
> wholesale and contrary to the CSIS Act on legitimatre, non-violent
> dissent.

CSIS is the federal investigative police, like the FBI. In ther early 90's,
they investigated various extremist groups, on both the far right and the
far left, including Lemire's neo-Nazi Heritage Front. In August 1994, the
Toronto Sun and other media broke the story, creating a scandal. SIRC, the

[Every racist group has been investigated by the police everywhere in the]
[world.  So I guess your right, it IS a scandal to investigate racists]
[merely for being racists, state contributions to an environment of]
[censorship.  Sounds relevent to the mailing list, to me.]

Security Intelligence Review Committee, is an independent investigative
                                             [^^^^^^^^^^^]
[Ha!]

body, like the Tower or Warren Commissions.

The referenced report is at
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/canadian/sirc/heritage-front/

I think it's worth quoting the Forward:

[You read that shit, Forward?  It's not any better than Commentary for]
[getting the details, just Jewish Anti-Racist liberal/conservative pablum.]

 Conspiracy theories endure. There are hundreds of examples of this, the
 most poignant and well-known being the many conspiracies believed to be
 behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. There is a simple
 reason: it is impossible to prove a negative proposition.=20

 Several independent groups of well-qualified people have concluded that the
 Loch Ness monster does not exist. But, for true believers, these
 conclusions simply show that the investigation was not sufficiently
 thorough, or that the people involved were biased from the start.=20

 Our report faces the same obstacles. That is why we described under
 'Methodology' the efforts we made to ensure that nothing remotely relevant
 escaped our attention.  We realize that even this will not prevent some
 people from demanding another "independent" investigation, because our
 conclusions may not match their preconceived convictions. There will
 undoubtedly be others who, based upon the facts set out in this report,
 come to conclusions that differ from ours; we certainly have no quarrel
 with them.

I'll post the rest of this flamebait to alt.fan.ernst-zundel. I'm sure
people will get a real kick out of it. See also the directory
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/canadian/

- -rich

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 20:01:18 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
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In <320A7C39.71B9@Cole.com> Jean Cole  writes:

! klfjg

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 20:01:19 PDT 1996
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From: baddab@sprynet.com
Date: 1 Aug 1996 04:57:25 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: WHITE POWER

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From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 20:01:20 PDT 1996
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In <4ubps6$n8h@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! Hi, Mr./Mrs./Ms. Huber!
! 
! ourhero@village.ios.com wrote:
! 
! >Did you know that the sperm count of northern europeans is on the
! >decline?
! 
! >Yes, in Scotland recently there was a survey showing that even in the
! >short time since the 1960's the Scottish sperm count is down . . . 
! 
! >Yes, it is very common to see a 'white' middle class couple in america
! >going for 'fertility councelling' where they end up taking drugs and
! >as a
! >result of these drugs end up having triplets or quadruplets . . but
! >have
! >you ever heard of a black man going to fertility councelling?!? - Yes
! >it's
! >true that the average black in america couldn't afford it anyway but
! >get
! >real the problem with the 'brown' races in general is that they are
! >too
! >fertile (just look at the legions of starving children in africa)
! >whereas
! >the 'white' races tend to lean towards sterility.
! 
! >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
! 
! >Ok . . but what does this all mean?
! 
! >Well, WhiteMan . . WhiteWoman . . it doesn't mean we should just start
! >recklessly breeding all over the place, no.. we already know from the
! >black example that that isn't a real solution, no what we need is to
! >improve the quality of people we produce and then only after that is
! >achieved should we worry about that - and even then i am not too sure
! >since the world is overpopulated.
! 
! >OVERPOPULATION:
! >Yes, according to various United Nations studies, 
! >(No! (said to the all the nit-picking weasels) I don't have the exact
! >publication or edition but you can go into a library and see for
! >yourself), the most likely way the human race will die at this point
! >is
! >from lack of oxygen - that's right we are going to breath all of the
! >air
! >up and die. 
! 
! >- With that said - WHAT SHOULD WE (the white race) DO?
! 
! >well first of all we humans have stopped evolving genetically. . .
! >(again just look this up in the Science Times, there was a story in
! >that 
! >jewish publication a few years ago about this - and if even the jews
! >will 
! >admit it and publish it then you know it is a truth too big to cover
! >up)
! 
! >We have come to a point in our evolution where men (and women) no
! >longer
! >have to struggle to pass on their genes - natural selection has ceased
! >to
! >be for the most part -- In it's original incarnation natural selection
! >was
! >primarily designed to promote the physically strongest genes first and
! >then secondarily the smartest.  All this would work via the woman who
! >would essentially choose who would be the man to mate with -- which
! >would
! >usually be the one who could kick the most ass or out smart all of his
! >competitors. 
! 
! >-- pretty ruthless stuff . . and I don't suggest we take a step
! >backwards
! >. .
! 
! >What we now need is to transfer the burden of natural selection from
! >the
! >irrational inconscious drives of women (and men) to our forced
! >conscious
! >reasoning. Now is the time where we should learn to separate the
! >concepts
! >of LOVE and SEX from BREEDING.  When a couple has a child the creation
! >of
! >that human being should be a carefully thought out and totally
! >rational
! >process.  This does not mean that we are declaring an end to emotions
! > .
! >. No, we are merely saying that the physical feritilzation of the
! >embryo
! >must be something designed. . . planned out . . . rational. Yet
! >likewise,
! >the raising of that child MUST have all the love and care that only
! >the
! >irrational side of us can provide (you can have a baby that is
! >genetically
! >superior but without loving parents and a stable home all of that will
! >turn to evil or misery).
! 
! 
! >--- What Exactly does this all mean ??
! 
! >Well to begin with we can start what I would like to call 'VOLUNTARY
! >EUGENICS'. That is where a couple wanting to have children (and we
! >need to
! >stop having children just to fulfill our own greedy egos or feel
! >important) will voluntarily seek a donor sperm and donor egg of DONORS
! >whom they select as having the highest IQ's the best PHYSIQUE, and of
! >course (for the purpose of keeping the white race alive) the most
! >EUROPEAN
! >features.  This fertilized egg is then implanted into the woman and
! >the
! >couple then go on to raise that child with all the love and care in
! >their
! >power. 
! 
! 
! >---- COME ON! . . . get real who is actually going to do that?
! 
! >Yes it's true, most of us are too selfish, we want to pass on our own
! >genes - there is a feeling of emptiness that we all experience if we
! >leave
! >this world without having passed on our own blood - but aren't we
! >suppossed to be trying to evolve and get rational here?!?  if you have
! >a
! >heart condition or if you are not as smart as you think you could be
! >or if
! >your genes are not as good as they might be? should you really be
! >condemning another human being (the baby) to this misery?  
! 
! 
! >--- 'But they tried EUGENICS in NAZI GERMANY... you're nothing but a
! >nazi
! >go to hell! think of the sixty million jews burned alive in ovens!
! >etc..'
! 
! >OK we are not proposing forced EUGENICS as which was common practice
! >in
! >most of the 'west' in the late 19th century and early 20th century . .
! >we
! >are merely saying that people SHOULD have the right to do this if they
! >want to -- we are not interested in toasting jews . . and again, the
! >fact
! >that I am proposing 'VOLUNTARY' eugenics means that no, i do not think
! >i
! >am god and i am not forcing people into doing one thing or another -
! >however the very act of creating a human life, whether it be in a
! >laboratory rationally selecting good genes or in a 3rd world slum
! >impregnating a starving woman, is playing god in a certain sense.
! 
! 
! 
! >---- 'But who are you to say that this is 'good' or 'the right thing
! >to
! >do' ??
! 
! >I am not anyone in particular, but I believe in freedom of action and
! >freedom of speech - and these are simply my ideas which I am putting
! >forward.  I think that these ideas would be good for the white race if
! >we
! >started enacting them, and I also feel that any white man who takes
! >time
! >to think about this will end up agreeing -- i am not saying that jews
! >reading this will agree -- and if a black man is reading this, maybe
! >you
! >should think about applying these ideas to your own people but that
! >would
! >be a black issue which has nothing to do with me.
! 
! 
! >---------------------------------------------------------------------
! 
! >---- 'you don't know what you're talking about -- it's already been
! >proven
! >that diversity is needed for life to keep from being extinct' . .
! 
! >That's true in fact, I agree - and the very fact that all the races
! >are
! >slowly intermingling will mean the end of diversity and the creation
! >of
! >one race.  
! 
! 
! >Why is that bad? what's so bad about creating just one race - a human
! >race
! >instead of all this division of color etc. --
! 
! >It's bad because when humans are not isolated genetically from one
! >another
! >they don't develop different immunities and the end result would be
! >that 
! >if there were a disease that we were not immune to it would wipe us
! >all
! >out. Remember how the indians of the new world all died of diseases
! >from
! >europe that they were not immune to?  now just think if all human
! >beings
! >had been indians?
! 
! >And anyway, the very concept of 'diversity' in the way that the
! >leftist
! >uses that catch-phrase is an oxymoron - becuase they want to create
! >just
! >one big brown race where everyone is equally wallowing in a mire -
! >what
! >kind of diversity is that?
! 
! >-----------------------------------------------------------------------
! >HOW THIS ARGUMENT APPLIES SPECIFICALLY TO PEOPLE OF EUROPEAN DESCENT
! >----------------
! 
! >Well I've already said that we need to rationally pick the best genes
! >for
! >our kids, but aside from selecting people who are smart or tall or
! >physically fit there are many other important criterea -- ones that we
! >can't see.
! 
! >1) Blood type and immunities:
! >It is important to keep seperate blood types and allow differnt
! >strains of
! >sections of the european race to evolve independently of each other --
! >the
! >reason for this again has to do with my earlier talk of immunities..
! 
! >2) Cultural and Physicall preservation
! >Let's face it, although a Frenchman and a Russian are both europeans
! >they
! >are different.  They are both beautiful and we should keep them that
! >way -
! >just in the same way we don't want to create a single 'human race' we
! >also
! >shouldn't want to create a single 'white race'. Diversity is good and
! >just
! >think of how boring europe would be if we all looked, talked and acted
! >alike.  I won't go into this becuase this is a whole other discussion
! >-
! >but I do feel that the creation of the 'WHITE AMERICAN MUTT' was a bad
! >thing, and we 'WHITE AMERICAN MUTTS' (me being one of them) as well as
! >other whites should try to regain what we lost -- our hertage and our
! >sense of history.
! 
! >3) Socializing:
! >One of the reasons why the jew has existed for thousands of years
! >while
! >the various white races have come and gone, is that they have a
! >history
! >and a sense of purpose that spans throughout time.  The various white
! >races don't have this as strongly and certainly not 'THE AMERICAN
! >MUTT'.
! >This is why I think it a bad think that we americans have interbreeded
! >among each other , that we have watered down our father cultures to
! >'ASSIMILATE' into american culture - but what is done is done - we are
! >AMERICANS now but we should slowly seek to restore our heritages and
! >our
! >blood so our children will have some kind of back bone to lean upon -
! >I
! >think one of the reasons why young people are so reckless especially
! >in
! >this country is because they have no sense of purpose they are looking
! >for
! >something to believe in and what do we give them? we give them 'Beavis
! >and
! >Butthead' or 'Snoop Doggie Dog' or 'Alice in Chains'. Again this leads
! >into another discussion but part of the blame does fall on us for
! >allowing
! >this to happen.
! 
! >==========================================
! 
! >Whew! that was a mouth full  . . . this guy sure thinks a lot 
! 
! 
! >												OR
! 
! 
! 
! >this is a very disturbed person i hope he gets some help...
! 
! 
! >												OR
! 
! >Die you racist nazi pig! i am going to call the 'jewish defense
! >league' to
! >bomb your ass!
! 
! 
! 
! >-well depending on which one of these responses you have at this point
! >i
! >say to you either:
! 
! >'Well I don't think i am such a smart person - just a person who wants
! >to
! >try to learn how to be smarter or at least learn how to think - -
! >which is
! >something we should all do'
! 
! >or
! > 
! >'well to be creative you have to have a touch of madness in you and in
! >anycase when you are presenting unpopular ideas you have some force
! >driving you to think differently - and that I do . .'
! 
! >or
! 
! >'well i am afraid of course but your threats just make me feel more
! >right
! >about what I am doing . . . '
! 
! 
! 
! 
! 
! 
! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! 

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 20:01:21 PDT 1996
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Subject: Andy Mathis immoral, bad Jew
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In <4ubppg$n8h@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! Knowing that you're a WAR member, why do two thoughts come to mind:
! 
! 1) You're lying
! 2) If you're not lying, the guy probably had a damn good reason to
! want to wrong you.
! 
! Scum.
! 
! smokey@oro.net (John Lewis) wrote:
! 
! 
! 
! > -- 
! 
! >  This morning I was awaken at 4:30am by someone trying to break into
! >my house. Yup, I wasn't to bright then who is at 4:30am. I picked up
! >a steak knife as if it really could do any real damage. I went out the
! >front door down the steps and bang. I was grabbed behind the neck and
! >at this time can't talk very well, and can't eat a damn thing. Anyway,
! >I slammed this steak knife in this assholes leg. Went at lease two
! >good inches. Be damned this nigger buck took off running down the drive
! >way into the street with my damn steak knife.
! >  Make a long story short, this white man is looking for this black buck
! >and if anyone sees a nigger limping around the Marysville area. Please
! >tell him to return, as I have a bigger knife and a body bag this time.
! >  As you can tell I am pissed, I am so pissed that I am thinking of
! >joining a KKK group even. He was a strong buck that's for sure. But,
! >with me being fifty years old I want a rematch. I feel I lost and this
! >damn nigger has my damn knife.
! >  Nope, cops were not called, after all why report a damn steak knife.heehee
! >But, a group of white boys are pissed, so Marysville/Yuba City get ready.
! >This NIGGER has awaken this old white man once again. Anyone in the
! >Marysville/Yuba City area, if you see a limping black slime bag, ask him
! >what his limp is from. Hopefully he will be too dumb to get emergency
! >service. But, if he does seek emergency service. Then by all means, rest
! >up and come back for a re-match..This white-man didn't report you, after
! >all the police are to busy to seek out my steak knife. But, you have my word
! >Nigger, I want you bad now. So, don't let me find out who you are.
! >  Of course this black man may not be on this site, but I sure do feel
! >better getting this out just the same. I am even going to fax a copy to
! >the local police, so they can be prepared for what's going to come in
! >the very near future. 
! >  How would you feel if you were attacked on your property? It may
! >happen sooner than you think. Best prepare, as I am not going to be
! >stupid the next time.
! >=========================================
! >Email: smokey@oro.net
! >AdultBBS: (916) 741-1618
! >HomePhone: (916) 751-3539
! >Webpage: http://www.oro.net/~smokey
! >===========================================
! >Councilman Ron Gless now on the radio=
! >daily from 1PM-2PM: 1410 AM          =
! >===========================================
! >Wish to make money at home using your
! >computer? Easy and fast...For Infomation:
! >http://www.freedomstarr.com/LE7411618.rep
! >============================================
! 
! 
! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! 


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 20:01:22 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: Jew by choice???
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In  olsonj.ra.ohsu@ohsu.edu (John "Marty" Olson) writes:

! Hello, I have a question, 
! 
! I know a lot of individuals convert to judiasm when they marry.
! 
! Is anyone out there who has been exposed to judiasm, in my case thru someone I 
! used to date.  And is drawn to the spirituality, the ritual combined with 
! the sense of community.
! 
! Would a reformed (x) - christain who believes in G-d be accepted without being 
! attached to someones arm???
! 
! martyO

Yeah, I've converted to get some of that Jewish twat.
I used to masturbate over the Talmud/Torah.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 20:01:22 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: RED ALERT!!! JEWS TOOK OVER COMPUTERS!!!
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In <4ueomn$av6@highway.leidenuniv.nl> st880824@rulfsw.fsw.leidenuniv.nl (Robbert Baruch) writes:

! DOS ist Yiddish!!!!

It isn't?  Well, I could swear there's some Judaism in Win95.

And WinNT is Satmar.

! Fooled ya.
! 
! 
! Robbert
! 
! 

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 20:01:23 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: Mormons
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In <4u6d03$aoo@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! Jacob  wrote:
! 
! >Can someone please tell me about Mormons and Jews.  Is it ture that 
! >the founder of the Mormons, Smith, was an admirer or Hitler?
! 
! Mormons are a strange sect of Xians who believe in a third Testament
! on top of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament.
! 
! Having died long before Hitler's rise, it is not at all likely that
! Smith was an admirer of Hitler, but he and Brigham Young were avowed
! white supremacists.

Jews were admirers of Adolf Hitler.

! Andrew Mathis
! 
! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! 

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug  9 21:39:38 PDT 1996
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In <4uf057$it1@sjx-ixn1.ix.netcom.com> Calsmnd@ix.netcom.com(Ashdon/Costello) writes:

! To all Germans:
!     Don't buy the LIE that German civilians were killed by USAAF and
! RAF bombing!
! 
!     This is a libel perpetrated by the defeated German armed forces,
! to explain away poor explosives handling and inept firefighters.
!     It is a well known fact that military forces never do anything
! without written orders.  No orders exist showing bombing of non-miltary
! targets, therefore IT DID NOT HAPPEN!
!     If you are confronted by a so-called bombing survivor, do not
! listen to their pathetic and fantasy laden tales of "my family lost
! four in the Dresden raid, etc".  This savage attack on the noble
! Allied airmen has been propagated by the well-known Nazi lover Kurt
! Vonnegut in his so-called "semi-autobiographical" Slaughterhouse Lies
!     Civilian deaths due to disease have been blamed on alleged
! "thousand-plane" raids. Out of control funeral pyres are called
! "firestorms" by the sniveling National Socialists and their fellow
! travelers.  With the highly accurate Norden Bombsight, the Allies
! hit only what was aimed at.  Yes, some small number were killed by
! GERMAN flak falling to earth after being fired at Allied planes,
! but this is caused  by the Fascist inability to create a proximity
! anti-aircraft shell!  If one loses a war, one must acknowledge the
! SUPERIORITY of the victor, not babble and cry like spoiled children
! deprived of a plaything! 
! 
!                     Germany proposes,
!                     AMERICA disposes!

You are a scumbag for denying the reality of German suffering at the 
hands of anti-racists.  Six million Germans died in the war and fifteen 
million Germans died in the post-war peace.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
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               Excerpts from Typical Prisoners' Letters on Rape
                                       
   4/01/95
   Compiled by [1]Stephen Donaldson, Stop Prisoner Rape
   
   Horizontal lines separates different writers. Names are provided only
   when the writer has given permission.
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   I'm 33 years old and the victim of childhood sexual abuse in an
   orphanage, sexual molestation at the hands of a stepfather, and the
   victim of a violent jailhouse gang rape.
   
   In October, 1974, I was 18 years old, youthfully dumb, and full of
   fun....Charged with four counts of petty forgery, I landed in the Pima
   Co. Jail, Tucson, Arizona. In that jail I was brutally beaten,
   savagely and repeatedly raped.
   
   Aside from the four years of rape and enslavement between Oct. 1974
   and Oct. 1978, I was raped one other time at the Ohio State Prison in
   July 1981.
   
   Today, like every day since I "died" in a pool of my own blood, I am
   nothing more than a mannequin of flesh and bone, void of normal
   feelings, and hopelessly obsessed with cocaine in an effort to
   medicate my simple mind to oblivion.
   
   I'm afraid of physical contact and have serious problems with being
   touched or held. I cannot generate the necessary feelings required to
   build or maintain relationships of any kind. Until recently, I was not
   able to trust telling anyone about this hideous and dark secret.
   Thoughts of suicide are so commonplace that I begin to worry when I'm
   not considering it.
   
   Cocaine effecitvely anesthetized the daily pain...and its been most
   effective at what I need most, a sleep eliminator.
   
   Sleep, for me, has nothing to do with rest. Sleep opens the gate to a
   freakish nightmare, a dream so intense, so vivid and real, I'm
   abruptly awakened with severe rectal pain and the gagging taste of
   semen, mixed with blood and feces, in my mouth and throat.
   
   The psychiatrist here has no time for therapy and has put me on
   medication...and this bandaid approach is the best I'll get.
   
   My current attorney simply refuses to address the issues of rape and
   the possibility that I may be suffering from a legitimate mental
   disorder....I see myself as a shattered mirror, each piece reflecting
   a portion of what used to be the whole....I've meekly accepted all
   that's been done to me with a shamefully bowed head and the courts
   greatly appreciate that, I'm sure.
   
   I feel as if my mind and soul have been destroyed.
   
   I'll not make myself vulnerable thru some report that can be purchased
   by inmates for a few packs of smokes.-Michael, Arizona
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   My present sexual preference is bisexual, I am also a victim of sexual
   abuse and rape when I first entered the doors of incarceration when I
   was 16 yrs old....I am 20 years old....My first attack on my sex
   preference was more of a set up...I couldn't call for no help because
   there was no one around. Then I was called on again for a replay.
   
   I have been going [through] pure hell. I have been diagnose[d] for the
   AIDS virus....Now since I have told my family about my disease status
   they now consider me a black sheep of the family. I can't believe what
   I'm going threw....Now at this point I'm trying to get myself together
   with the lord, most of my activities are in bible study. Please pray
   for me.-Philip, Maryland
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   I have layed in my bed and heard my friend being raped by his celly.
   Base upon the fact that his cell is right over top of mines, one could
   hear very good....I am so afraid to go to general
   population....Sexually assaulted here in Tehachapi reception
   center....Mental brake down from my pas[t] encounter of being sexually
   assaulted some time ago in County Jail. Yes, I did inform these people
   here upon my arrival about my...sexual abuse history and I begged Dr.
   Haskett and this Institution not to put me in a cell with a Black
   inmate or in general population. But they just calls me names and put
   me in general pop. any. And I got raped again.
   
   I jest have been release from the medical ward after a 9 day stay for
   attemp suicide after being Brought and sold by inmates in this
   Institution that runs this Prison.
   
   I then pleaded my Case informing CC II S. Morgan to take my medical
   file in account where it state that I had been rap at the Institution
   where I jest came from and that this Institution is indeed a much more
   ruffer prison him and I both know what I would incounter. He then
   reply he had no concern to that fact. The next day I was moved to
   Building III in to a cell with one of the Bi[g] shots, and was told
   that he paid for me to be move into his cell and he would look out for
   me if I sex him up from time to time.....I told he that I was not with
   that, needless to say what he tryed to do to me that night...you
   wouldn't believe! Anyway I told God that I would rather die than be
   abuse again....I want to file suit on Dr. Haskett. He the cause of it
   all.
   
   I have been sold into Sexual Slavery to some Big Person. it seem's
   like these People really has it out for me because of our suiting
   [filing suit against] Dr. Haskett + the Warden of Tehachapi....God no
   one would believe unless they are living in it. S.O.S.
   
   I am in prison for alledgially commiting...burglurly. I was sentenced
   to 11 years for a crime that was never committed. I was sent from
   county jail to Teyhachipi State Prison, where I was viciously beaten
   that night by the person I was placed in a cell with afterwards I was
   forced to preform oral capulation on him. The next day I reported the
   abuse to five correctional officers within a piriod of eighteen hours,
   and only one choose to take note....I was sent to see a psychiatrist
   by the name of Dr. Haskett who told me that my being sexually assulted
   was my fault because I did not give myself freely....I had parolled a
   year ago from a medical facility, because of a mental break-down I had
   suffered from, after being brutally raped in the county jail befor,
   the first time I was sent to prison.
   
   [Upon transfer to Calipatria] I plead...to place me in a single cell
   because of my constant abuse by inmates. I was laught at...and I was
   placed in a cell with some gorilla who was three times my size, and
   turned out to be the biggest drug dealing in the institution. He
   informed me that he paid for me to be placed in his cell. And for the
   duration on my prison confinedment, I would be his sex slave....Need
   less to say what took place that night. Then and their I made up my
   mind. Befor I be abused again, I'd rather die. The next day I sought
   out to committ suicide. Unfortunately I dident succeed.
   
   The answer...to take one of these many prison and turn it into a
   facility for people with a meek & humble nature, lite crimes and gays
   with a non violent nature....The high amount of drug trafficking has
   increased the numbers of inmate prisoners who is being killed, raped,
   and mentally destroyed on a daily base. We're not only talking about
   death of a pysical form, but we are also talking about the
   astronomical degrees of death of the mind, death of the spirit, death
   of the will to grow as human beings.-Rodney Graves-Bey, Calipatria,
   California
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   Dr. Milan...was overheard making the comment that he didn't care
   whether Rodney lived or died. You can believe that's exactly what he
   said. None of thse people here could care whether any of us lived or
   died. After all, we're prisoners.-J., Calipatria
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   Between 10-18-93 and 11-3-93, I was sodomized and force to commit oral
   copulation against my will in my cell. My cell-mate would threaten to
   beat me up if I did not have sex with him. Several times he slapped me
   on my face and forced me to perform oral copulation on him. I told the
   correctional officers but they did not believe me and sent me back to
   the cell to endure more pain and affliction. During this period and in
   present I experience guilt, depression and the inability to
   concentrate, just to name a few things that have been bothering me.
   
   I decided to report these acts to the psychologist. To my surprise,
   the psychologist, Dr. Haskett, told me it was my fault; that I was
   being "less than a man" by letting another man do this to me! I could
   not believe a "so called" professional person was saying this to me.
   It made me feel guilty for even reporting my sexual abuse to him. He
   made me feel I should not have let this other man due such a thing to
   me. Having done so, I was "less than a man" and asked me what did I
   want him to do fight my battles for me. He told me because I was
   reporting this to him; I had a "Mommy/Daddy" complex and wanted people
   to take care of my problems for me.-LeShawn Cummings, Tehachapi, CA
   
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   While in Farmington Correction Center in the Hole I was sexually
   assaulted by my cellmate while I was on Protective Custody status. I
   informed a correctional officer of my dangeras situation and he said,
   "Fuck you fag," and left me in the cell with this individual. I am a
   gay inmate but I didn't agree to the sexual advances of my cellmate. I
   file a grievance and went through the whole process. Through the whole
   thing they told me that I didn't have any evidence to support my
   allegations.-David Chapman, Jefferson City, Missouri
   
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   In 1990 I was raped by several other white inmates here at Donovan
   Correctional Facility. Because of this incident I have been paranoid,
   and suicidal thoughts have entered my mind, were before it never
   happened until this rape incident occured.-T., San Diego, California
   
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   In 1992, I too, was raped by a prison[er] in Tahachapi Correctional
   Institution. This happened because of the deliberate indifference of
   the staff who were on duty when I was attacked.
   
   I have recently filed suit in the Federal courts regarding my attack.
   
   I was completely devastated psychologically and emotionally by me
   sodomy attack. I am 19 years old and feel that my manhood has been
   violated. No young man should have to endure this kind of experience.
   
   What happened to me, happened in my cell one early morning just before
   chow. Two days prior, an officer had put...a known sex offender...into
   my cell. I immediately asked to be moved to another cell. The officer
   refused to move me that day. The following day, I again, asked to be
   moved, but was told that I would be moved the following day. The next
   morning I was attacked. This has not only happen to me, there has been
   a pattern of rapes in this prison within the past 4 years that I know
   of. None of the attackers have been prosecuted to date.
   
   It is good to know that someone out there cares such as your
   organization.
   
   In the past few years, there has been several rape incidents including
   one murder of an inmate who repeatedly requested to be moved to
   another cell because of his fear of personal safety. The officials
   ignored his pleads for three weeks, and one night, him and his celly
   had a fight and "Chris Brown" was killed.
   
   Most of the rapes seem to occur in Tehachapi's administrative
   segregation unit where inmates are locked-down 24 hours a day. In
   fact, this is where I personally witnessed prison officers ignore
   inmates cry for help when their cell mates were attacking them. In
   most cases, the officers actually joked about it. This makes me sick
   to my stomach when I think about it.-Larry Anderson, Tehachapi,
   California
   
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   I was raped by an inmate that was assisted by an federal correctional
   officer [at FCI Memphis, Tennessee]. I have attempted to file a law
   suit in the matter, but with no money and without the legal knowledge
   to pursue a legal confrontation, I was simply forced to accept what
   happened to me as if it was the normal thing to do/or happen.
   
   The incident was also investigated by the Office of Internal Affairs.
   The officer was then fired and I was simply transfered.
   
   It is hard for alot of rape victims to seek help from the prison law
   assistance without the other inmates becoming aware of the fact that a
   male has been raped. Once this information has been set out there, the
   rape victims become victims of another type. This could be the reason
   that many cases such as min[e] never even reaches a court of law,
   simply becasue we can not initiate this kind of legal process without
   the help of other inmates. There are some inmates that have been raped
   in prison that cant even read. Not to mention the mere shame that
   comes with having your manhood stripped away as concieved by other
   male prisoners, so it becomes something that is hidden in your past if
   you are transfered to an institution where it is not known.-Valgene
   Royal, San Pedro, California
   
   From Royal's BP-10 administrative appeal: "On July 3, 1991 I was
   laying in my bed sleeping in disciplinary segregation, when I was
   awakened by my door being unlocked, at which time an inmate entered my
   room and appeared at my bedside. The officer that let the inmate into
   the room left and locked the door before I could identify him. The
   inmate forced himself on me and proceeded to rape me....Eventually an
   officer whom I was able to identify...let the inmate out of the room
   and locked the door back and they left together.
   
   [Royal reported the rape and was moved to the prison hospital.] I
   remained in the hospital cell from July 3th until July 9th, 1991
   without being allowed to shower or exercise....On a few occasions I
   was only fed once a day....A F.B.I. polygraph examiner verified my
   claim `via' polygraph examine." [Royal was kept in segregation
   involuntarily even after his disciplinary time expired and both the
   attacker and the officer involved had been transferred from the
   institution.]
   
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   This writer is a self proclaim bisexaul....no matter what life style
   one leads heterosexaul Bisexaul or homosexaul when anyone is force
   agaist there will to participate in any form of sexaul acts its
   Rape.....Theay still suffer the same pain & turmoil & trauma.
   
   This writer Age 25 on arround the date of 1-12-94 this writer inform
   correctional staff that his cellmate was making sexaul advancement
   toward me i also inform them that he was rubbing feces on hisself i
   was inform by Sgt that he was aware of the fact that inmate Harris Rub
   feces on his self & it was already document within his file Sgt Ebbitt
   then inform me to retrun to my cell on the night of 1-4-94 inmate
   Harris rape me I could no longer take the abuse 1-5-94 I tried to
   committ suicide i cut my wrist i was escorted to the infirmary for
   medical evaluation while waiting to converse with the staff psychiatry
   Sgt Ebbitt came in the observation tank & grab me & maid revolting
   statement surrounding my life style such as you cant rape the willing
   & no one would rape your black ugly ass...Sgt Ebbitt grab me & slam me
   against the wall...i was maid to retrun to the cell from the date of
   1-5-94 until 1-9-94 inmate harris abuse me rape me & subjected me to
   cruel & usual punishment each day i went to converse with staff but no
   attempt was maid to move this inmate on the night of 1-8-94 i took a
   stand my weight is 140 inmate harris weight is at least 230...Harris
   cut me with a razor....Harris was found guilty i was found inocent but
   he was release from ad. Seg & Retrun to the yard i...must remain
   ad.Seg pending transfer my privilege has been taken away.-Leslie A.
   Sanders, Represa, California (Sacramento State Prison Folsom) [A
   "1983" civil rights complaint was filed 1-27-94.]
   
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   I am in prison for my 1st time and its like I can't take a shower
   without a guy coming in trying to force me to have sex or trying to
   get it from me. I been force 2 times when I am in the shower and I am
   scared inside to turn people in, because I been getting to many
   threats here. Where I go guys stop me and ask me for sex they just
   will not leave me alone. I was here to change and come out clean. How
   can you do that when people teach you to be gay to other guys here. I
   keep busy to get it off my mind walk, church, Bible studies and so. I
   am white, 22 years old.-M., Chillicothe, Ohio
   
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   In 1985, I was transferred to a supermax facility for punitive reasons
   as a result of using physical force in an attempt to protect myself
   from sexual exploitation....My primary goal to continue my college
   education...With full knowledge I could not protect myself without
   risk of prosecution and extended sentence and the administration could
   protect me only if I forfeited my rights and privileges I decided to
   pair up to protect myself from sexually aggressive inmates....I simply
   killed my soul to desensitize myself from the mental pain. I remained
   enslaved until my release from prison in June 1991.
   
   I subsequently returned to prison in 1993 as a result of my unresolved
   psychological problems associated with my prison experience, ruining a
   successful...career and a happy future with my fiancee and unborn son.
   In 1994, I decided I could no longer allow myself to be victimized
   through the enslavement of my body, mind and spirit by another inmate,
   therefore I requested protective custody. Consequently, I am assigned
   to administrative segregation and have been stripped of all rights,
   privileges and prison amenities afforded perpetrators of sexual
   aggression.
   
   The DoC's [Department of Corrections'] policy [of making p.c.
   miserable] promotes pairing up for protection because they discourage
   inmates needing protection from seeking protection through the prison
   administration....Requesting protective custody an individual loses
   all rights, privileges and opportunities because DOC policy conditions
   the exercise of these rights, privileges and opportunities on the
   renunciation of the inmates' 8th amendment right to be protected.
   
   An inmate unable to make it on his own for whatever reason would
   prefer protective pairing in general population over assignment to
   administrative segregation.-G., Jefferson City, Missouri
   
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   I was conspiritorily placed in a precarious position, due to legal
   actions against Utah Department of Corrections. I was subsequently
   placed in a facility for "Sex Offenders," even though I am not, or
   have ever been a sex offender. San Juan County Jail incarcerated me
   [out-placed state prisoners from Draper Prison]. Out of 34 prisoners,
   I was the only non-sexual offender there. A...guard placed me with a
   convicted rapist (6'3", 320 pounds) of boys. A 23 year old, John
   Rawlings is 21 years younger than me. Though, I didn't hesitate to
   complain, Rawlings was not removed from my cell till three
   physical/sexual attacks had insured. I additionally received injury to
   my right shoulder and two concussions, and what is permanent double
   vision, to my right eye.
   
   I was assaulted in January [1994] and since received neither treatment
   nor any investigation of a meaningful nature....Department of
   Corrections has not only suppressed the matter, but threatens my
   approaching parole date.
   
   My remedy was a 16 Day hunger strike and a "1983" action against Utah
   State Department of Corrections....I was transferred back to Draper,
   Feb. 1st.
   
   I'm heterosexual.
   
   I was knocked unconscious, I came to while being anally penetrated. He
   had me pinned on the floor. I struggled, he struck my head on floor,
   then tried to fondle me. I reached down, grabbed his testacles and
   squeezed. He lost interest screamed and withdrew from my rectum. I
   crawled away and began beating on door....Two attacks preceded
   this.-Jim Emmons, Draper, Utah
   
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   I have been the victim of rape because of my feminine casting - I am
   gay. I am a 39 yr old black.
   
   A correctional officer assaulted me....I passed the polygraph test
   ...on 3-15-93....I fear retaliation from other guards....I am very
   afraid for my life and I am not suicidal. I don't want to be
   mysteriously hung in my cell and it was reported that I took my own
   life, if you know what I mean.-"Sugar," Ohio
   
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   I am 23 years old....I am a Victom of a prison gang rape. See what
   happened was one guy he is in the Aryan Brotherhood a prison gang.
   Said I like to fuck you and stroke your long hair while I'm doing it.
   I told him to leave me alone I dont want no trouble. Well he said I'll
   fuck you this week. Well I was scared for my life I made a Shank a
   Knife and stayed in my cell for 4 days with out coming out. Him and 6
   other ABs came into my cell and the one guy said I told you I was
   going to fuck you and I knew they were going to do it so I jumped up
   and stabed him 3 times Before the rest jumped on me and Beat me up
   real bad and Knocked me out and stabed me 6 times, then Raped me. I
   almost died.
   
   So I went to the hospital then came to P.C. It's been 18 months
   now....I don't talk to no prisoners at all to this day.
   
   I dont have no money nothing no TV or stero I sit in my cell and cry
   alot I've cut my wrist 3 times.
   
   The state didnt do anything. I dont even talk to the chaplin here
   because they are liers. I tryed to talk to them once before.-L.,
   Florence, Arizona
   
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   I'm a 36 year old white male. heterosexual. raped by black inmates in
   1978, still have nightmares and afraid of one day my mind snapping.
   The Texas prison system lacks in professional counselors to talk to
   and the psychologist either dont want to talk or want you to take
   drugs.
   
   After the incident I asked to be put in PC and they refused so I wrote
   the FBI, who came to see me but not before I was taken into a room
   with the "warden" and threatened if I didn't tell the Feds to forget
   the whole thing my life would be made real uncomfortable there. So I
   blew it off...and I stabbed one of the black M.F.'s that raped me
   about 6 times with a pair of 6" scissors. I wasn't caught and I don't
   know if he died or what....I don't need the added pressures of being a
   labeled punk.-M., Beaumont, Texas
   
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   In October, 1964, after a beating [by his father], I went to school
   with 2 black eyes, cuts, and brusies; my teacher asked what happened;
   I told her, "Me and my dad got in a fight." She reported it, and I was
   arrested. They called it "protection." I spent my first night of
   protection being sodomized by the 3 teenagers who shared the cell they
   put me in; I was 6 years old.
   
   This happened at the Oakland County Children's Village....My
   experiences in the juvenile homes...included lots of violence and
   homosexual abuse.
   
   I have been incarcerated in prison now for 10 years, in this time I
   have experienced a lot of abuse....I am married now and the father of
   a 13 year old daughter.
   
   In my heart I believe if there is a solution it will begin in public
   awareness and legislation.-Tom, Michigan
   
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   In 1989 I was assaulted. I reported the assault but prison officials
   denied me a medical examination for treatment and for verification
   that the assault actually took place. My problem wa further
   complicated when I was denied protection after reporting the sex
   assault. I filed a civil rights complaint...and the Court has set a
   trial date for August 1994.-L. B., Folsom Prison, Calif.
   
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   I myself am a victim of Institutional Rape. When I was 14 years old, I
   was committed to the California Youth Authority, where I had been
   repeatedly Raped by three other inmates.
   
   Out of FEAR, SHAME, and DISGUST, I could not tell anybody what had
   happened to me. In my mind I had saw the attack on me as a
   Gay-Attack....I had told myself that I could not be a Man, a Husband
   or even a Father....I was a Failure because of what I had let happen
   to me by the [gays]....I became very anti-social.
   
   [The writer describes his first queer-bashing.] I left him laying in a
   pool of blood. I knew what I had done was wrong, but yet at the same
   time I felt good about myself. I could not understand the mixed
   feelings that I had. I only knew that it made me feel worth while in
   hurting him. From that point on, I had sought out gays in order to
   assault and rob them.
   
   [The writer describes his relentless but shallow pursuit of women, his
   marriage, his enlisting in the Marine Corps, all in an attempt to
   become "A REAL MAN". He became an alcoholic. One night he was too
   drunk to get erect and the woman he was with, Ruth Pitts, asked:] What
   have you turned GAY....the next thing that I remember [she was a
   corpse.]
   
   I meet this Homosexual [David King] who invites me to his house, and
   after having sex with him, he says now it is his turn, I crab him by
   the neck and start chocking him....I confess to both murders.
   
   Upon getting off of Death Row, I was placed in the Mental Health Ward
   of the Penitentiary's Hospital. After many months of Counseling, and
   very concerned Mental Health Personal, they notice a pattern in my
   Criminal History, and one of the Counselors addresses the issue of
   Juvenile Rape, and P.T.S.D. I was able to admit as to what had
   happened to me. And at that point it was like a great weight was
   lifted off of me.
   
   I feel remorse over what I have done in my life, and all of the pain
   and suffering that I have caused others, and more so for seeking out
   the Gay Community and hurting them. They were not the ones who had
   hurt me, and for that I am sorry for what I have done to them.
   
   If there is any way that I can bring to attention the Abuse that goes
   on to this day in the Juvenile Institutions throughout the United
   States, and train the staff to look for signs, maybe then a Child will
   not see what I have seen....If I can help one Child from seeing what I
   have, then my Life will not be a total waist.
   
   The Abuse and Rapes continue to happen, and if nothing is done how
   many more MICHAEL ROBTOY'S will end up on Death Row. We have to
   address the issue of what is happening in the Juvenile Penal
   Institutions.-Nichael Robtoy, McNeil Island, Washington.
   
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   Having read the literature sent to me I can help some of the first
   timers to prepare for their stay within prison. I know that I can't do
   it all myself, but they say the first step is the easiest way to get
   to the end of a long road.
   
   When I first came to prison [at 16] I tried to stay to myself and do
   my own time. I held other inmates in check for a while, but the
   perrsure started to build up. I was at Cummins Unit...and another
   inmate came in my cell and demanded that I service him sexually. I
   told him I just wanted to be left alone. He kept on demanding that I
   service him and he hit me and called me a "Bitch". He pulled out a
   razor and when I saw it I pushed him against the wall. He drop the
   razor...I ended up cutting his throat and jaw....For the first 2 to 3
   years I had to fight to keep from being "turned out."
   
   I got tired of fighting all the time. I started to look for a partner
   to "hook up" with. Someone to look out after me. A "Man" as well as a
   friend. Someone to talk to. I did not know the first thing about being
   a "Boy"....After about a year we are still hooked up.
   
   You were right about when you said that over time that you start to
   develop feels for the person you are hooked up with. I did. I am only
   20 years old.
   
   The administration within the Arkansas Department of Corrections does
   alot to also add to the perrsure. For example, if a...first timer does
   something that "Rocks the Boat" against the administration they will
   put him in a barracks or block that is for trouble makers. He is
   almost certain to be rape or is made to hook up with someone that he
   know nothing about. And the only way he can go to P.C. (Protective
   Custody) is if he is raped or beat up real bad.
   
   Rapes happen about one two per week in each prison within Arkansas.
   Those...are only the ones reported to the administration. There are
   many more rapes that they never hear about because the victims are
   threaten to keep the mouths closed.
   
   Your handout on hooking up [protective pairing] is very good. It is
   very informative.....If I would have read it before I got my time it
   would have made my time easier.
   
   When I first came to the [juvenile] penitentiary I had at least one
   fight a day. When a confrontation would come my way it would scare me
   half to death. I felt like a cat trapped in a corner...I would fight
   to cover my fear up....I could not show the inmates any other parts of
   myself. I was finally transferred to an adult prison I told myself
   that I was not going to fight no more. [After the cut throat incident]
   they locked me up in Administrative Segregation in a two man cell with
   a dude a hell of alot bigger than me....The next thing I know he was
   rubbing my arms and back. I was uncomfortable with this but was afraid
   to say anything. Needless to say, with grease he fucked my ass. It
   hurt real bad.
   
   On the streets I only mess with girls....I learned that it is easeir
   to adapt to the role as a punk instead of fight it. My `life' is a
   hell of alot easier now. When I first started out as a punk I had
   mixed feeling. I was angry at myself for becoming a punk when I fought
   so hard not to become one. Gradually as time when on I became more
   able to cope with these feelings. I was able to start ignoring what
   people said.
   
   I would like to write inmates in other prisons that have been through
   the same experiences and that have adapted to prison life as
   punks....I realize some of them have no one to write to that can
   understand them and won't put them down for being punks.
   
   When the inmates here sending request to the chaplain or the "shrink"
   we never get an answer back....Being a punk means I can show my
   feelings. I don't have to hide them. I do care for people....At one
   point I had a boy and I "played the man role." But anyway that's the
   past. Sometimes I sit back and think to myself "I am a man and I am
   letting another man put his dick in my ass." But the closeness,
   intimacy and the touch are things to be tressured in prison.-G.H.,
   Arkansas.
   
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   I'm 16 years old. I was placed in a maximum security prison and raped
   several times. This keeps happening because the staff...will not
   transfer me to the right security level. The person that is raping me
   told me if I told anyone that he would kill me...The other night I
   tried to kill myself....My mind is starting to go in a world of it's
   own so the pain won't hurt so bad. I don't feel like a human being
   anymore. I'm a sexually abused animal. I should not fgeel this way,
   because I'm not suppost to be in the adult prison system. Please help
   me.
   
   I escaped [from a minimum-security institution] because older inmates
   were sexually harassing me. I were caught off of escape within 24
   hours. The staff wrote me up an placed me in a maxium from an minimum.
   When I were placed in a cell...the convicts start yelling they were
   going the hit me in my butt. About a week went by then they placed an
   older convict...who waited until I were sleep laying on my stomach
   before he jumped on me an penertrated my butt with his penis....When I
   wehen to the law library they were sexually harassing me
   because...told them what happen.
   
   [from a complaint form for a civil rights lawsuit:] [The unit
   sergeant] told plaintiff do you know what happean to little boys that
   want to play man. In a man's prison, little boy's get their asses
   busted, and your a fresh 16 and I know your going to get it good.
   Cause I'm going to help. I know who to put in the cell with you.-J.,
   Oklahoma
   
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   While I was in...County Jail, I was sexually assaulted by another
   [female] state prisoner for the five days that I was there. I was
   afraid of this women, who was charged (it was rumored) with 3 counts
   of second degree murder. I was terrified about the experience and I
   was too scared to tell anyone.-K.D., federal
   
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   I know what prison rape is all about. I am a victim of this and not
   proud of it. Being blind in prison and someone taking advantage of you
   does not surprise me at all.....I am a blind person who was beaten in
   a county jail.-B.K., Michigan
   
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   At the age of 22 I was locked up... I was as green and wet behind the
   ears as they come when I went from the county jail to state prison.
   While in orientation an oldtimer took me under his wings to show me
   the ropes. Several weeks later he made his true intentions known...He
   told me...I would have to suck his dick. Upon telling him I don't do
   that he proceeded to give me the riot act...
   
   At that point a thousand and one things went through my mind. It was
   as though my life flashed before me. His threats and intimidation
   succeeded in frightening me to the degree I only wanted to survive
   with the least amount of pain as possible. I knew he couldn't rape me
   by himself. I was more afraid of how many others he would call for
   re-enforcement. How many of them would rape me was the scariest thing
   of all.-A.P., Kansas
   
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   Everynight I am having nightmares because of this Sexual Assault.
   Every mourning I do not want to wake up because I have to think about
   what is going to happen the next day and the next night. "Little
   things" bother me a whole lot and if I think about the "big things" in
   my life-I feel like ending it all...People at the Mental Health
   department offer me "Drugs". I don't want these damn thought
   disminishing drugs. I want to know what to do and not to forget and be
   stupid.
   
   The day this rape took place; I was on the verge of committing suicide
   and I had no-one to help me.-Charles, Washington
   
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   I hear this woman's voice everyday. She has victimized other girls
   here as well + no one will lift a finger to stop her. She runs this
   institution + if one displeases her, they are victimized. I believe
   the officials are scared of her + the obvious power she holds. Knowing
   her the way I do, I sincerely believe she is blackmailing someone to
   get away with what she has + is still doing.
   
   No one cares what happens to a prisoner. Everyone has the attitude
   that prisoners complain too mmuch + have unreal expections in wanting
   to live as a human being. That we somehow deserve all that happens to
   us. I know this attitude well; because I used to have this view before
   my incarceration.
   
   I have done all I can possibly do to help myself...+ it is
   useless....Noone here is interested in your organization. The major
   reason for that is homosexuality is blatant + 89% of the inmate
   population engages in free, casual sex + damn anyone who doesn't.
   Inmates-to-inmates + inmates-to-officials. It's sickening.-Clara,
   Florida
   
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   No one other then yourself, and other like you know how much i have
   suffered, and the nightmare i have to live with every day, and i still
   don't feel comfortable talking about it, because the theought of it is
   still very painful. Sometime i believe death would be easier then
   telling others what...done to me.-B.L., Florida
   
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   I heard the first jail rape [in San Francisco Jail] with a sickened
   stomach. The young man's cries were delivered pounding blows,
   crunching thuds on concrete, and then jeers and curses from rowdy
   inmates in nearby cells. "Turn him out," and much worse was yelled.
   
   Sex in prison generally means violence, power, manipulation, and
   denial....It's a raw power game. If the predator senses weakness of
   any kind, any hint of confusion, ambiguity, liberality, or fear, he
   will attack....Silence keeps these lambs penned, shorn, and
   butchered.-Steven Johnsrud, Stillwater, MN.
   
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   I'm a 28 yr. old black male. I first came to prison at the age of 19
   yrs. old. I was place in a max joint. Now at that time i wgt. maybe
   128 pd. soak and wet. Well anyway i was given four ears for breaking
   itno someone house. I was place in the max. joint and put in a cell
   with another young kid he was white....Other prisoners...would bug me
   everyday for sex which i refuse to do with them. About a month after
   being in the joint i came back to my cell after working....I walk in
   my cell and it was full with black guys and my cellie was on his knees
   sucking them off. I should of got the fuck out of there but i didn't.
   The next thing i knew i was hit in the face by someone when i turn to
   run i was grab by the back and they started beatting the crap out of
   me. Then i was told to strip which i did and they threw me on the bed
   and someone got on top of me and ram his dick in me i scream from the
   pain of it what a fucken mistake i ended up getting my face pound in
   for it. Then each one of them took turns fucking me. They kept
   beatting the crap out of me at the same time Hell i wasn't even
   screaming and they hit me. Well then someone ram him dick in my mouth
   and i choke on it but they didn't care. I had to suck him off and one
   by one they either fuck me in the ass or ram there cock down my throat
   or both. Than one of them decide to piss in my mouth and told me i
   better drink it or else so i did. Then more guys kept coming in and
   out my cell doing the same shit. I lost count of who was doing what.
   Then when i thought it was over they started in on my cellie beatting
   the crap out of him too. I kept getting kick in the face and punch for
   no fucken reason....Then i pass out and when i came to they was gone.I
   couldn't moe but i was on the floor in my cell next to my cellie. He
   was crying...We just ball up together holding each other. I wasn't
   sure if it was i couldn't move or i was to scare to move but i stay
   like that til the officer's did count....I told him we need to go to
   the hospital he said what the fuck you say faggot I told him again and
   i said we was rape. He started laughing saying yea right. Hell there
   was blood all over us and t he cell but this cop thinks i'm lieing. I
   told him to call the Lt. but he wouldn't....Than when i woke up i had
   a [male] nurse over me calling my name. I got scare and jump back and
   start screaming Don't touch me please don't hurt me no more....Than i
   talk to the warden he act like i was lieing for he kept asking me who
   did it. I said i don't know...So he order them to take me to the hole.
   I stay in the hole for two weeks. [then was sent] back in the
   hospital.....The officer's kept laughing saying come on tell us the
   truth you wanted it you didn't get rape. I couldn't take it so i just
   kept quiet and tried to block them out. Than the next day this female
   cpt. came to see me. She never ask me what happen she just sat there
   next to me saying she understood. I started crying and she held my
   hand and i told her no one will believe me that they all believe i
   wanted it. I said ask my cellie he would tell you what happen. Thats
   when i foudn out my cellie was dead he kill his self over it.....I
   keep feeling if only i gave t hem what they wanted in the first place
   this would never happen.
   
   I still cry so much over it and wish i could die.
   
   I meet guys all the time now whos been rape and its unreal. The storys
   may be defference but one thing all of us has and thats the kowledge
   that we didn't ask to be rape....I still perform sexual acts but not
   cause i want to or i enjoyu it I do it out of fear of being gang rape
   again... Se xuse to be a pleasure now its a way to survive for me.
   Before i came to prison i always felt only females get rape boy was i
   wrong. Now i know the pain they go through. It's more mental and
   emotional than anything else. I feel the only reason the courts and
   outside world doesn't want to get involve is cause no one wants to
   hear the truth. Everyone turns therre head and clsose there ear until
   it happens to them.
   
   I have forgiven them it's forgiving myself I can't seem to do. A man
   lost his life at the hands of some sick people who wanted to get there
   rocks off and show they're bigger than he was....How i almost took my
   life over it. Many people say they would have to kill me before i ever
   get fuck. Thats a lie they only say it cause they've never been there.
   
   I know deep down the rape wasn't my fault but knowing it and really
   feeling it is two different things. I fight everyday the pain i feel
   inside and the things i go through. What bothers me most is i fine
   myself shaking all over at times and i cry a lot when i think of the
   rape.
   
   I have not been rape since then. Well not in a painful way anyway. The
   only reason why is cause when a black comes at me with it i get to
   scare to say no and just do what he wants to get it over with. I've
   tried to say no one time to these guys but they just laugh at me....So
   i got scare and just did it i didn't want to go through what i went
   through before....then i end up feeling dirty and guilty
   afterwards.-Lorne E.Williams, Menard, Illinois
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   You don't know how hard it is for me to admit this, but I wa sraped in
   the...county jail, by four men, It happened in 84, I was only 17, the
   act its self was a very sick, twisted, and brutal thing...Since then I
   haven't sought for any counselling, or other forms of help, and that
   was a very wrong decision for me, because all I've done is channel the
   pain, and hurt in to rage, and ended up only hurting my self even
   more, with more time to do. I should say, a fair estimat would be at
   least half, of the victims end up dead, either by the hands of a
   predator, for fear of proecution, or self inflicted, for countless
   reasons, I almost became a satistic for the latter of the two, several
   times over. Tne years have passed, and it's still quite hard for me to
   confront this in any way, but I must if I'm ever to move on with my
   life.-W.E., Utah
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   Will you help me before it happens to me? I have had one person try,
   "my cellie" and I caught out. Sir because of this I lost all my class
   all my good time and now...I'll be forced to the cell again by the
   warden here. Sir I have put in for P.C. two times and have been denied
   for no reason. I'm scared and I don't know what to do, this happens
   here quite a bit.
   
   When I wrote you last I was in Solitary for refusing housing due to my
   cellie trying to rape me. I had put in for P.C. 3 or 4 times while in
   Solitary for this reason. When interviewed by Warden..., Captain...,
   and head of Classifications... for P.C. I was denied after giving them
   names and explanations of what happened.
   
   On September 28th 1994 I was forced on ...-Block and housed...with the
   same guy who had tried to rape me before. I told the officer working
   the block that this guy was my enemy and he let the guy in my cell any
   way Saying "Classification put him here." That night I was raped by
   this inmate..., I couldn't even get them to take me to the medical
   department for treatment. Classifications...allowed this inmate to be
   housed with me because I had filed a grievance on 9-20-94 against them
   for denieing me P.C. for this same reason.....I guess you could say
   they "made sure it happened."
   
   I am not gay, I am strait, but now I feel like they have taken my
   life, and I wish they had.-B.B., Texas
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   In 1986, at the age of 20...I pleaded guilty to one count of bank
   fraud....On March 14, 1987, while sun-tanning on a hill away from [the
   federal prison camp at Lompoc, Calif.], [Tony] Armstrong and his two
   friends approached me. I was tackled and punched in my gut. I couldn't
   scream for help because I had the wind knocked out of me. I struggled
   and twisted, trying to get free, then I was hit and almost became
   unconscious. They raped me. After they were through, they said that,
   if I complained to the authorities, I would be killed. No matter where
   I went, they, or their gang members, would be able to kill me. Later,
   at dinner, Armstrong and his friends came over to my table and warned
   that they wanted to rape me again that night. I believed them because
   we lived in dorms and could move freely. The rape resulted in a large
   triangular piece of skin being torn off near the base of my tail bone.
   I still have a scar.
   
   At 5:30 a.m., on March 15, 1987, I escaped by walking away from Camp.
   There were no fences around the camp.
   
   Three months after I was raped [having been rearrested May 4 or 5 and
   incarcerated at VCI Terminal Island] I tested positive for HIV in a
   routine medical check up. This test was the first test among other
   routine ones in which I tested positive.
   
   While at FCI Terminal Island, I wrote to...the Bureau of Prisons...My
   letter contained complaints about the amount of protection given to
   inmates from other inmates....[2  weeks later] prison authroities
   asked if I had written the letter. I said that I did. The guard,
   Lieutenant Webb, at that point (and other times) mocked me and said
   that I should stop complaining and that I "should take it like a man."
   Other prison guards also made derogatory remarks. I was immediately
   placed in solitary confinement for over 100 days (January to April)
   "for my own protection."-Kevin Borkowski, California
   
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   Note to readers: In addition to these excerpts, which are continually
   being updated, SPR has a number of longer accounts available which are
   not excerpted above. They include: "Memories of Rape" by David
   Pittman, 6 pages, $1; "The Story of a Black Punk," name withheld, 8
   pages, $1.50; "D.C. Jail: My Worst Nightmare" by Donny the Punk, 2
   pages, 25; others are in the works. An actual 2-page contract between
   a punk and his jocker is 25. For 2-page items ordered alone, add 25
   each for postage. 
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
   
    SPR President: [2]Stephen Donaldson (email: [3]sprdon@ix.netcom.com)
    SPR Office Manager: Alexandra Gerber (email: [4]ag94@columbia.edu)
    SPR Webmaster: [5]Ellen Spertus (email: [6]ellens@ai.mit.edu)
    [7]Stop Prisoner Rape, Inc.
    P.O. Box 2713
    Manhattanville Station
    New York, NY 10027-8817
    
   (212) 663-5562 (noon-midnight, EDT)

References

   1. http://www.igc.apc.org/spr/docs/sdinfo.html
   2. http://www.igc.apc.org/spr/docs/sdinfo.html
   3. mailto:sprdon@ix.netcom.com
   4. mailto:ag94@columbia.edu
   5. http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/ellens/ellens.html
   6. mailto:ellens@ai.mit.edu
   7. http://www.spr.org/

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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One of my favorite passages comes from Will and Ariel Durant:

"Civilization is a stream with banks.  The stream is sometimes filled with
blood from people killing, stealing, shouting and doing things historians
usually record - while on the banks, unnoticed, people build homes, make
love, raise children, sing songs, write poetry and even whittle statues.

The story of civilization is the story of what happened on the banks.
Historians are pessimists because they ignore the banks for the river."

Here is what I am telling you:   On the banks of our bloody century there
quietly grows a new crop of youngsters I herewith christen the Renaissance
Generation.

This generation will replace the Flower Children, the Hippies, the Yuppies,
and the Generation X.  These are young students of Aryan background who
have decided to assert themselves - and do so not with yelps and shrieks
and in that wrecking spirit that passes for "political correctness" but in
a manner that does pride and justice to their roots.

Below are two representative examples.

"Here in California we are VERY LUCKY just to have a club at all. Every
other ethnic groups has several clubs (Vietnamese Nurses, Vietnamese
Engineers) etc. There has NEVER been an Irish or Celtic club here at all as
far as I know.

I am bilingual (Spanish) and into other cultures. However, what I have
noticed is that the university is extremely ethnocentric. Each ethnic group
supports its own kids.

For example, the Portuguese community has a professor on campus who
provides emotional and financial support to the students. The Portuguese
community provides scholarship administered through this professor's
office. They have a "place" on the large campus.

Other groups like Latinos, Africans, Jewish Americans, and others have
courses and scholarships available for their students. There are literally
millions of dollars of tax money in scholarships for students who belong to
a culture that is considered "diverse".

There is so much money available for Vietnamese students, for example, that
the school can't find enough students to spend it on!!! This is federal and
state money - your taxes. This money is available to millionaires' children
as long as they are considered to be diverse.

An Irish person is not diverse, he is classified as "white" or white-bred.
There is not a dime for an Irish American student living in his car because
he is not considered to be diverse.

The Irish students have literally been "pushed away" from the university,
especially low and middle income students, and the many Irish students from
single parent homes like myself.

I am currently on a grant intended for a Latino student, but since I have
near-native fluency, I was able to qualify for it. But no one offered it to
me. I had to fight for it.

By the way, many student clubs receive Ford Foundation and other grants.
The Chinese students receive money from their community. All groups help
their kids either by lobbying for grants from taxpayers/foundations, or
donating it to their ethnic group's club on campus.

Did you know that the various ethnic groups have segregated graduation
parties for their own co-ethnics, paid for by the taxpayers and the
students' fees from the student body? Various groups such as Filipinos,
Latinos, and African Americans have their own separate graduation
celebrations that are segregated but paid for by taxpayer money.

Our culture is booming, despite the hate and neglect of the dominant
culture. Our dance, the beautiful Irish dance, is absoutely astounding in
its growth. Our language, Irish Gaelic, is being studied in our community.
All of this without the benefit of the massive grants received by other
groups.

Please discuss these issues without using slurs. All groups deserve
respect. Please refer to different groups as they wish to be designated.  I
don't want to be called a "mick" for example - I am an American of Irish
descent.

I think it is important to discuss these issues in a respectful manner. I
think others need to be aware of where their taxes are going. I am posting
this on germanica-l as the Germanic American students are treated the same
as the Irish or worse!!

Anybody who is interested in Irish/Celtic issues can contact me at MaryCelt
@aol.com."

There must be hundreds of thousands of youngsters like Mary (and "Kevin",
below) on our campuses.  I had a modest pizza with him the other day
because he happened to be in my area.

I met  him and half a dozen of his friends a few weeks ago up North when he
invited me to speak at his college.  Morris Dees of the "Southern Poverty
Law Center" had just been up there doing a mighty smear on television on
behalf of New World Order interest and against them for wanting their own
ethnic club.  As might have been expected, this caused a lot of flak -
which only caused these students to link arms, close ranks and quietly
solidify their front.

Kevin is a quiet, thoughtful youngster from a military family.  At present,
he is training for a military career with the marines.  You would never
notice Kevin in a crowd.  He is absolutely unpretentious but quietly
focused on what now needs to happen.

One of his ideas - and it is an excellent one - is to use tapes to
penetrate the biases of academia.  Here is what Kevin wrote in follow-up:

"I have now found the Irving tape that we will use next year. I would like
to send you a copy so you will know why so many people are convinced by
watching one of his lectures.

We will also be distributing the Irving video to college Profs. We will
include a letter claiming we are concerned students who want to know if the
material is wrong or not.

I believe these Profs will feel obligated to at least watch the video and
respond. If they do watch the video, they will be changed, whether they
want to admit it or not.

They will have to ask themselves, "I wonder if they have something here?"

Kevin and his friends have just about completed what they call a
"Revisionist page" as part of their efforts to launch a nation-wide
outreach program into other colleges.  The URL is:
http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling

If you know of young people who are interested in rolling up their sleeves
on their own campuses, please have them get in touch with the webmaster of
this web page or have them write to me, and I will channel them to other
contacts that I have - for instance, an excellent contact in Ohio where
another quiet American-European nucleus is forming.

Have a nice week!  And keep your toes crossed for the upcoming San Diego
Convention where all of us expect surprises coming from the  Buchanan camp.


Ingrid

Thought for the Day:

"Persons who would be placed outside the pale of society with contempt are
not those who would be placed there by another culture."

(Ruth Benedict)

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
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In <5zJSoa0.ericompladel@delphi.com> lonnie  writes:

! I will be in Rostock, Germany (near Berlin) on Shabbat, Sept 6-7.  Does
! anyone out there in net land know what time candle lighting is in Rostock
! on that date?  Berlin is probably good enough.

Sure, light the candles anytime at night over at the immigrant hostel.  
Bring big candles, preferably petrol.

! Please email me if possible.
! Thank you.
! Lonnie

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
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In <320A2215.467E@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

! Goldhagen is right on the money.
! 
! Short reading:
! Not surprising, it was the generation socialized during the Nazi 
! period that became still more rabidly antisemitic than their parent' 
! generation and previous generations.  Goldhagen says loud and clear 
! that the Historicaly proven Holocaust couldn't have happened the way 
! it happened without rampant anti-semitism for many years, building and 
! building. Hitler made the decision, and the Germans-Austrians began 
! their notorious killing campaign, which resulted in the cold blooded 
! murder of 12 million innocent people. (maybe more)
! Read the book. Ask me questions. It's all there and all true.

Goldhagen is a wonderful author.  He's perfectly right that there's 
nothing in the world but Jews and Anti-Semites.  I'm glad he praised the 
good guys by proclaiming national socialism the "most radical movement ever."

Polarization will help the racist movement.  It doesn't matter whether 
Jews or Anti-Semites are responsible for that polarization.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness Is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is torn in two.
          Between happiness and duty.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 09:53:49 PDT 1996
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In <4u3ggs$ed5@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> 101741.3115@compuserve.com (James Sindberg) writes:

! This crud don't belong on the net IMHO.
! 
! If you agree and your software is capable,
! sugggest put Goeff in your kill file.
! 
! He has no redeeming qualities in this post.
! 
! Respectfully
! 
! James Sindberg
! 
! My computer downloaded this message from Geoff Cooper
!  who wrote:
! 
! ;Vyshinsky wrote:
! 
! ;> I'm slowly recovering from hand injuries, so I can't help
! my
! ;> slow typing.  I'm switching to a Dvorak keyboard, which
! should
! ;> help a good deal.  I prefer a hardwired Dvorak though.
! ;> Don't you know spelling flames are about as lame as my
! hand?
! 
! ;Well quit jerking off so much, meathead!

The crude cruelty of anti-racists noted.

! ;-- 
! ;Geoff Cooper
! 
! ;"Does it burn, men, does it burn?--Captain Ahab.
! 
! James Sindberg, Retired
! This message is self sponsored and payed for.
! It is Not from the taxpayer's dole.
! It is Not from the corporate dole.
! And am Not associated with Bob,
! or Bill either for that matter.
! 

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 13:54:26 PDT 1996
Article: 38760 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: MOST ENDANGERED SPECIES: THE WHITE RACE!!
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In <3208DF59.3100@intersurf.com> evil Beavis  writes:

! ourhero@village.ios.com wrote:
! > 
! > Did you know that the sperm count of northern europeans is on the
! > decline?
! > 
! > Yes, in Scotland recently there was a survey showing that even in the
! > short time since the 1960's the Scottish sperm count is down . . .
! > 
! > Yes, it is very common to see a 'white' middle class couple in america
! > going for 'fertility councelling' where they end up taking drugs and
! > as a
! > result of these drugs end up having triplets or quadruplets . . but
! > have
! > you ever heard of a black man going to fertility councelling?!? - Yes
! > it's
! > true that the average black in america couldn't afford it anyway but
! > get
! > real the problem with the 'brown' races in general is that they are
! > too
! > fertile (just look at the legions of starving children in africa)
! > whereas
! > the 'white' races tend to lean towards sterility.
! > 
! > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
! > 
! > Ok . . but what does this all mean?
! 
! Well, a recent study at the University of Copenhagen, Denmark just
! refuted this and pointed out that these counts are up again, so I guess
! it all means that you don't know what you're talking about!

Racism raises sperm counts.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Sat Aug 10 23:37:01 PDT 1996
Article: 56404 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Anti-Racists Run Roughshod Over The World
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Remember, Ken McVay supports the state harassment of racists such as 
Ernst Zundel.  Ernst Zundel would undoubtably be more popular if his 
politics were legal.  Ernst Zundel was subject to an assassination 
attempt by anti-racists who the Canadian security service has identified 
as Anti-Racist Action, a terrorist anti-racist group.  Ken McVay is a 
nobody, whom nobody should consider speaking about as a recognizable 
entity.  He's certainly no Morris Dees, who's managed to evade wide 
swaths of the California legal codes in their illegal confiscation of the 
entire assets of the heroic famous Metzger brothers.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 01:35:05 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: Goldhagen Is 100% Correct
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In <4uifl5$3jr@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! Dave Harman, in his role as qut, said:
! 
! >Goldhagen is a wonderful author.  He's perfectly right that there's 
! >nothing in the world but Jews and Anti-Semites.  I'm glad he praised the 
! >good guys by proclaiming national socialism the "most radical movement ever."
! 
! >Polarization will help the racist movement.  It doesn't matter whether 
! >Jews or Anti-Semites are responsible for that polarization.
! 
! Dr. Goldhagen said that there is nothing in the world but Jews
! and Antisemites? I must have missed that assertion the first
! time through the book, Mr. Harman.. perhaps you can provide
! page numbers, so I can correct this error of omission?
! 
! Since you claim to have read the book, I know this small
! request will present no difficulity for you.
! 
! -- 
! Nizkor Canada          | http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.nizkor.org
! -----------------------| Remember John Hron
!                        |--------------------------------------
!      http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/

He took an entire book to make that itty bitty point.

BTW, is nizkor archiving ygg  ?


--
          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness Is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 01:35:13 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: 'We are German citizens! You can't do this to us!'
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! Philip Mueller writes about the murder of the Gypsies in Birkenau
! [Quoted from "Auschwitz Inferno", p. 151]
! -----------------------------------------------------------------
! One could see that most of the SS-men had a bad conscience. They
! hadn't shown any scruples about annihilating Jews, the killing
! of whom was now a daily routine for all of them, yet they clearly
! found it unpleasant and distressing to help exterminate people
! with whom they had been on quite good terms up to now. But in
! this dismal place there was no room for sentiment. The
! extermination routine took its usual course. [Hauptscharfuehrer]
! Moll and his helpers cocked their pistols and rifles and, in a 
! way that allowed no misunderstanding, asked the people, who
! in the meanwhile had undressed, to leave the changing room at
! once and go into those rooms in which they were to be gassed.
! As they took their last walk, many wept in despair, others
! crossed themselves and prayed to God, and yet others, who even
! now were unwilling to come to terms with their inevitable fate,
! turned to the SS-men and, gesticulating wildly, shouted without
! stopping: "We are German citizens! You can't do this to us!".
! 
! For a while desperate shouts and cries could be heard coming from
! the gas chambers until the gas had done its deadly work and chocked
! the last voice.
! 
! 
! 
! 
! -Danny Keren.
! 
! 
! 
! -- 
! Lies written in ink can never disguise facts written in blood.
! 
! -Lu Xun.

So?  There's propaganda everywhere, not the least, propagating the Jewish 
killing of millions of people in the Soviet ninteen thirties.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 01:35:23 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: Death in Mauthausen
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In <320CA231.6CCF@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

! Thanks, Danny. I couldn't believe it when we went into Mauthausen and 
! discovered that many POWs from several allied countries had been 
! killed there. General Patten, looked the other way, as some of the 
! tank guys got a little revenge. 
! Chuck

How do you feel about the great General Patton converting to 
Anti-Semitism in ninteen forty five?


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 02:04:02 PDT 1996
Article: 77553 of talk.politics.mideast
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In <4u5kqt$in7$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Allen Elias  <100274.346@CompuServe.COM> writes:

! From David Basch:
!  
!                LEFTIST FANATICS
!  
! I was watching a program on Jewish television (8/4/96) of the
! Conservative Rabbi Mark Galub who ran an old interview with Rabbi
! Bauman of the Yeshiva of Chevron, who was terrific. The Conservative
! Rabbi referred to Jewish "right wing" fanatics (and was soundly
! criticized by Rabbi Bauman as an unjust term), but Rabbi Galub failed
! to note the existence of "left-wing" fanatics. Who are such
! "left-wing" fanatics? Well, in an earlier Israeli news report, I got a
! good view of just who are some of the "left-wing" fanatics.
!  
! It seems that there was a memorial for Yizchak Rabin, attended by
! Leah Rabin, Peres, and (I believe) Yossi Beilin. They were reported
! to have said, "We will not forget and will not forgive." Notice the
! fanatic rhetoric! These are the leftist Jews who forgave the
! unrepentant Arab murderers of Jews -- the savage, merciless PLO,
! whose members still say they want to destroy Israel.
!  
! These Jewish leftists forgave the Arab savages of the PLO but declare
! that they WILL NOT forgive a distraught Jew like Yigal Amir, who
! killed to stop a man, Rabin, who Amir thought was harming Israel, a
! man who was working to create an Arab State in Israel (and Amir was
! right about what Rabin was doing), an advent that Amir thought would
! endanger Israel. For such a distraught, mistaken man, whose motive
! was to save his country, THERE IS TO BE NO FORGIVENESS. Is this not an
! expression of Jewish "left-wing" fanaticism?
!  
! Moreover, it is evident that these same "left-wing" Jews are still
! active in working with the foreign opponents of Israel's policies to
! undermine the Netanyahu government and create chaos to justify the
! flawed policies of the ousted leftist government. Peres makes speeches
! that declare that Mr. Netanyahu's policies to resist Arab aggression
! and work for Israel's security will lead to war. If so, better with
! the current military positions than those indefensible borders which
! these "left-wing" fanatics would have provided for Israel.
!  
! Also, for example, Rabbi Golub notes that he is going to have a
! symposium on Israel's territories. If he runs true to form he will try
! to justify Israel's ceding her territories to the Arabs. Clearly, this
! American, (Rabbi Galub), is in the pocket of the U.S. policy
! establishment, and is going to battle for Clinton's foreign policy,
! like Rabbi Stephen Wise battled for Roosevelt's during the days of
! World War II, to the detriment of the condition of Europe's Jews.
!  
! Rabbi Golub kept repeating in his interview with Rabbi Bauman that
! "wouldn't it be worthwhile to give up territory for peace." Notice,
! Rabbi Golub, who is not a prophet, seems to "know" that the Arabs who
! perpetrated the continuous and the recent mass terrorism against the
! Jews are sincere about peace. The obvious fact is that the Arabs use
! "peace" to get the fruits of war to continue that war against Israel
! on better terms. But, apparently, "left-wing" fanatics like Rabbi
! Golub cannot see through the Arab plan, so busy are they supporting
! it and being "good Americans," kow-towing to U.S. short-sighted,
! misperceived U.S. interests -- no doubt for a pat on the back by
! President Clinton, like Rabbi Wise got from Roosevelt.
!  
! Apparently, propaganda efforts to get U.S. Jews to work against the
! elected government of Israel is getting into high gear.  This should
! tell something about where U.S. policy remains on these issues,
! which I am sure U.S. clandestine agents are actively involved in.

Communism solves all problems.

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


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In  atticus@mindspring.com (Andy Walton) writes:

! In article <32035a23.39043381@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, ursus_m@ix.netcom.com
! (Ursus Major) wrote:
! 
!   :If you want to read it, you'll have to buy it. You won't find it
!   :in any library: it's VERBOTEN!
! 
! A spot search of a few University libraries accessible by telnet failed to
! find a single library without a copy. The "forbidden books" schtick may
! great for selling books, but, as usual, it simply isn't true.

The UCB library is the largest library in the world after the Leningrad and
Library of Congress, yet there will be no books by William Pierce, Butz, 
Stoddard, Grant, Rosenberg, MacDonald, etc.  UC is shit because it censors.
This is why every student and teacher of any kind in the world, needs to 
have a National Vanguard Books catalog to find the resources to do 
research that human scum like Jews don't want us to see.  The ONLY reason 
to censor racism, is because racism is inherently popular.

! --------------------------------------------------------------------------
!    "We were once so close to heaven, Peter came out and gave us medals 
!    declaring us the nicest of the damned."      --They Might Be Giants
! --------------------------------------------------------------------------
! Andy Walton * atticus@mindspring.com * http://www.mindspring.com/~atticus

--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 17:24:50 PDT 1996
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In <4ujkj4$7oi@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
! : This is e-mail I received from "Pissed Youth" in response to my comments
! : regarding whites in prison.
! 
! 
! 
! : ---------BEGIN QUOTE-------------
! 
! : ! Hey, the best way for whites not to suffer is prison is NOT TO COMMIT CRIMES.
! : !  
! : ! Wow... that wasn't too difficult, was it?
! : 
! : Whites are forced to commit crime.
! 
! It's true, y'know.  We do it with the orbitting mind-control lasers.
! 
! Bill Anderson
! Associate Chair
! Task Force on Forcing Whites to Commit Crime
! Hibernian Occupation Government

The class of people forcing whites to commit crime include the 
Oppenheimers and the Bronfmans.  While you may insist they are "just 
human," anti-semites seem to insist that they belong to a more exclusive 
class, labelling such as Jews or Rich Jews.


--
          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 21:47:16 PDT 1996
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In <4uip0h$gcb@basement.replay.com> nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) writes:

! In article , qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) wrote:
! 
! > Remember, Ken McVay supports the state harassment of racists such as 
! > Ernst Zundel.  Ernst Zundel would undoubtably be more popular if his 
! > politics were legal.  Ernst Zundel was subject to an assassination 
! > attempt by anti-racists who the Canadian security service has identified 
! > as Anti-Racist Action, a terrorist anti-racist group.  Ken McVay is a 
! > nobody, whom nobody should consider speaking about as a recognizable 
! > entity.  He's certainly no Morris Dees, who's managed to evade wide 
! > swaths of the California legal codes in their illegal confiscation of the 
! > entire assets of the heroic famous Metzger brothers.
! 
! Someone who likes minorities shouldn't be living in a white trailer court
! like McVay does. Instead, he should be living in a black or Jewish ghetto.
! I know everything, and that's why I can say this and mean it.

I know almost everthing, the main thing I'm ignorant about, is how to get 
anti-racists to quit equivalizing white, black and jewish ghettoes.  I 
mean, redneck neighborhoods are a world of culture and potential apart 
>from  colored ghettoes.  Black ghettoes are the same as Jewish ghettoes, 
except the Jews have too much money, and Blacks not enough.  The same 
selfishness is there, the badge of slavery, of lack of freedom of the 
intellectual.  Whatever, I still think communism is the ideal economic 
system for racists, to get whites to quit worshipping the false idol of 
money.  Still, race comes before everthing, even at the expense of bad 
economic systems, such as capitalism, or, as in the persectives of most 
racists, communism.


--
          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


From qut@netcom.com Sun Aug 11 22:20:35 PDT 1996
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In <320c8d98.2826933@news.inetport.com> mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) wrote:
! 
! >Remember, Ken McVay supports the state harassment of racists such as 
! >Ernst Zundel.  Ernst Zundel would undoubtably be more popular if his 
! >politics were legal.  Ernst Zundel was subject to an assassination 
! >attempt by anti-racists who the Canadian security service has identified 
! >as Anti-Racist Action, a terrorist anti-racist group.  Ken McVay is a 
! >nobody, whom nobody should consider speaking about as a recognizable 
! >entity.  He's certainly no Morris Dees, who's managed to evade wide 
! >swaths of the California legal codes in their illegal confiscation of the 
! >entire assets of the heroic famous Metzger brothers.

! But you know what, Skippy? This makes McVay all the more effective.
! The fact that you are attacking him suggests that he is successful.
! This is what happens when people such as you run out of argument that
! is on topic. You start to attack the person or the site. It is obvious
! and it doesn't work. :-)

  But you know what, Curtis? This makes Zu"ndel all the more effective.
  The fact that you are attacking him suggests that he is successful.
  This is what happens when people such as you run out of argument that
  is on topic. You start to attack the person or the site. It is obvious
  and it doesn't work. :-)

! Mike Curtis E-mail mcurtis@inetport.com
! 
! For More Information try The Nizkor Project
! Nizkor (USA)  An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
! Over 100Megs of data: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl? 
! Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
! Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)


--
          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 07:54:43 PDT 1996
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In <4ulqr8$hff@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! Just some observations, if I may...
! 
! kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
! 
! >In article <320ddaeb.2302261@news.inetport.com>, mcurtis@inetport.com wrote:
! 
! >[another shirthugger wrote]
! 
! >>>If he does call me a fatbroad do I get a T-Shirt ?
! 
! >>You want a "FATBROAD" T-Shirt? Hmmmm. :-)
! 
! >Wait just a darned MINUTE, here, bub! This FATBROAD T-shirt
! >stuff is getting WAAY out of hand.
! 
! >The FFR (First Fatbroad Rule) clearly states that only female
! >FATBROAD-DESIGNATES are eligible to receive the FTS.
! 
! >As you know, eligible FTS recipients are flown, all expenses
! >paid, to Maui, where they enjoy the 45-day initiation
! >ceremony. Mr. Gandi is not eligible.
! 
! OK, but you better have a troop-transport ready for the FBs; I mean,
! how much torque (thrust?  force?  don't ask me!) will you have to get
! to get these Fatbroads airborne?  Gotta be careful!
! 
! 
! 
! >Here are some suggestions, based upon minimal research,
! >as to reasonable pledges:
! 
! >-----------------------------------------------------------
! >Name			Pledge		Monthly
! >			per Post	Projected Cost *
! >-----------------------------------------------------------
! >Matt Giwer		$ 0.05 		$55.00
! >Greg Raven		$ 1.00		 32.00
! >Leslie Griswold		$ 0.10		 32.00
! >Alex Baron		$ 0.50		 32.00
! >Anton Huber		$ 0.40		 32.00
! >"M Huber"		$ 0.20		 32.00
! >E. Zundel		$1000.00	  0.00
! >-----------------------------------------------------------
! 
! I don't think we're gonna be hearing from the Hubers for a while (at
! least until they get another Prodigy account--I got an inside contact
! I'll e-mail you about), but for the sake of argument, I'll adopt "M";
! the name just reminds me child molestation for some reason, and the
! Hubers are perhaps the only group that I hold in lower esteem.

You consider anti-semitism to be worse than child molestation?!?!?

Are you going to continue with your self defined so-called Judaism?

! Yours,
! Andrew Mathis
! 
! P.S. How do you adopt Les Griswold when he continually REVELS in the
! Holocaust as he denies it?  I'd chalk him up to stupidity and take a
! good look at Ursus Major.
! 
! 
! Andrew
! 
! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! 



--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 07:54:45 PDT 1996
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In <4uk6g9$p6j@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! In article , 
! qut@netcom.com (Drunk Youth) wrote:
! 
! > In <4uifl5$3jr@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> 
! > kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
! 
! >! Dave Harman, in his role as qut, said:
! 
! >! >Goldhagen is a wonderful author.  He's perfectly right that there's 
! >! >nothing in the world but Jews and Anti-Semites.  I'm glad he praised the 
! 
! [snip]
! 
! >! Dr. Goldhagen said that there is nothing in the world but Jews
! >! and Antisemites? I must have missed that assertion the first
! >! time through the book, Mr. Harman.. perhaps you can provide
! >! page numbers, so I can correct this error of omission?
! 
! >! Since you claim to have read the book, I know this small
! >! request will present no difficulity for you.
! 
! >He took an entire book to make that itty bitty point.
! 
! No, actually, he did not. Of course, if you feel you can
! support that statement, please do so - we have lots of time.

No, I won't post the entire book for you.

! Go ahead, Mr. Harmon, make our day. Prove that Goldhagen said
! that there was nothing in the world but Jews and antisemites.

That was his feeling, whether such a simple statement would make a good
book is more of a literary or market argument.

! Cite page numbers, so we can understand your viewpoint. I know
! you can do that, because you told us you had read the book.

I praised the author and book, however I didn't necessarily read the book 
or understand the author.  I did read some of it, and gathered the rest, 
so have not made the snap judgement that you and your comrades are so apt 
to do.

As far as radicals are concerned, the proposition that the status quo is 
worth protecting requires a higher standard of documentation than the 
contrary.

! -- 
! Nizkor Canada          | http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.nizkor.org
! -----------------------| Remember John Hron
!                        |--------------------------------------
!      http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hron-john/


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 07:54:45 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: Just Pissed
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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! In article , qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) wrote:
! 
! > [Followups-To: alt.flame]
! > 
! > ! schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
! > > ! : ---------BEGIN QUOTE-------------
! > ! 
! > ! : ! Hey, the best way for whites not to suffer is prison is NOT TO
! COMMIT CRIMES.
! > ! : !  
! > ! : ! Wow... that wasn't too difficult, was it?
! > ! : 
! > ! : Whites are forced to commit crime.
! > ! 
! > 
! > The class of people forcing whites to commit crime include the 
! > Oppenheimers and the Bronfmans.  While you may insist they are "just 
! > human," anti-semites seem to insist that they belong to a more exclusive 
! > class, labelling such as Jews or Rich Jews.
! 
!  First you said whites are "forced to commit crimes." Now you are saying
! they are forced by a "class of people."

Yeah, cause and effect.

! In other words, there is no need for any white to have any personal
! responsibility for their own actions, right? All whites need to do is say,
! "Bronfman made me do it!"
!  
! So in YOUR opinion, whites are free to rape, murder, steal, and any other
! crimes because the JOOOOS made them do it? And then, when they get to
! prison, they can complain about how bad things are there.

No, whites should try racism instead.  Whites have to work harder than 
others, there's nothing new in that.

Whites should make greater efforts to emulate colored successes in the 
world, but our values are hurting us, rather than helping us at it does 
in a progressive society.

! Your logic is staggeringly stupid.

What's stupid is the attitude "if there's no money in it, I'm not going 
to be a part of it."

! But I guess it's okay for you to write inanities: the JOOS made you do it.

Baby, you have a way with words.

! Sara
! 
! -- 
! "It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
!     John Sayles, _Lone Star_


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 07:54:46 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: Giwer the Criminal
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In <4ulmgj$4vf@news.enter.net> yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) writes:

! >   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
! 
! 
! 	I noted:
! 
! >  >	You are a criminal.
!   
! >  	You are an asshole.  
! 
! 	A good defense.  Is that what you are going to tell netcom?
! 
! 	You are a criminal.
! 
! 	--YFE

Jew.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 09:09:24 PDT 1996
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In <4ulpcq$5ji@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> fische11@ix.netcom.com(some bizzare guy on the internet) writes:

! To: Pissed Youth
! From: Robert Rothenbrew
! 
! (sigh) To think...I'm paying for your education.
! 
! Racists can support ecology all you want, pissed wuss, but saying that
! the white race is the most endagered "species", or to even suggest
! whites are a seperate species(!), truly shows how little you really
! understand.

I was following up to a followup from someone elses's Subject: line.
Perhaps I should have changed it.

! Second, it's white barons that are destroying the rain forest,
! destroying our ozone.  Saying that "color" destroyed your ecology is
! complete and utter bullshit!

Whites don't own or run the world, so how could we be destroying it?
What white barons?  It's more like the colored rich who are in control
here and there.

! Moving on.  Whites are not pure-blooded whites, unless everyone in your
! family has blond hair and blue eyes.  Even then, you probobly have some
! Roman, Jewish, Greek, or Egyption blood in your veins.  Unless you
! prove that you have no ancestors of any color other than white, of
! coarse.  But "I know I'm not" isn't going to cut it.

Are you trying to say that anyone who isn't 100% Germanic white, is part 
African and/or Asian?  "I know it's not."  Do you even know what being 
of the Germanic race means, or know anything about white history?

! Now your comment about Roms is WAY off the mark.  Roms (Gypsies) are so
! paranoid of gadze (outsiders), that a woman with a gadze child ends up
! being outcaste or having an abortion.  Saying that there never was
! pure-blood Roms is a flat out lie.  Roms list all their ancestors in a
! room of their house or, for those forced nomadic onese, in the walls of
! the vardo.  Mine go back to the 11th century, and all are purebloods.

Pureblood mixtures?  Romanies have been part Asian and part White since 
they emmigrated from India about a thousand years ago.  Perhaps you know 
more about their pre-European history, and can educate us on whether the 
Romany ethnic group ever existed as a purely white or purely Asian 
ethnic group.

And, Roms long lasting hatred of outsiders, has protected their ethnic 
group from destruction, providing another text book example of the 
virtues of ethnic hatred.  Thousands of other ethnic groups have 
dissolved, white and colored, by the white hand, of their own, and 
others, with hostile or friendly intentions on the part of the whites.  
Romanies, Jews, Turks, Mongols, Blacks, etc., long history of lethal 
hatred of the white race, proves in many ways that their style of group 
hatred should be adopted by today's whites, so that we may survive and 
prosper as a communal group.

! You give me all this BS and then tell me to "put up or shut up"?  Get a
! life.

You signed off saying "Shut Up."

So I retorted.  What of it?

! And Cleopatra was Egyption.

Maybe.  In any case she was Germanic white, being born of her tribe, 
in the North.

!     Robert Rothenbrew
!     http://www.netcom.com/~fische11/
! _______________________________________________________________________
! Message: 1
! To: fische11@ix.netcom.com (some)
! From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
! Subject: Re: MOST ENDANGERED SPECIES: THE WHITE RACE!!
! Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 14:42:24 -0700
! [Followups-To: alt.flame]
! 
! In <4uh7gd$bbo@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> fische11@ix.netcom.com(some
! bizzare guy on the internet) writes:
! 
! ! Dead species.  Dead species.  Dead species.  Dead species.
! ! 
! ! Every time you read that, more than one species died.  So you're
! 
! Racists support ecology.
! 
! ! telling me that the White Race is more endagered?
! 
! Without the power of the white race, there will be no one to control 
! color from destroying the environment, thus destroying the ability of 
! Mother Nature to evolve new higher life forms.
! 
! ! How many living, pureblood (95%+) whites can you name?  I can name
! 
! Most whites are of pure white race.  Jews are quite asian and somewhat 
! african, and so not white.
! 
! ! three living pureblood Roms...total.
! 
! There's no pure blood Romans left, pure blood Romanies never existed,
! and 
! I doubt pure blood Romanians existed.
! 
! ! Shut up.
! 
! Put up or shut up.
! 
! !     Robert Rothenbrew
! !     http://www.netcom.com/~fische11/
! ! 
! ! "The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him."
! 
! "The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him."
! 
! 
! 
! --
!           TO MY WHITE GIRL
! 
!           I love you
!           Because you're white,
!           Not because you're charming
!           Or bright.
!           Your whiteness is a silky thread
!           Snaking through my thoughts
!           In redhot patterns
!           Of lust and desire.
! 
!           I love you
!           Because you're white.
!           Your white skin
!           Is what dreams are made of.
!           White is
!           The skin of nobility.
!           You're my Cleopatra,
!           My Eva Braun,
!           Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
!           Of the burning cross.
!           Loving you thus
!           And siring your children that look like you,
!           My heart is made for you.
!           In happiness and duty.
! 
! 
! 


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 09:36:35 PDT 1996
Article: 34501 of alt.skinheads
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: You racist bastards!!!!
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In <4uls88$svm@urvile.msus.edu> student@tigger.stcloud.msus.edu (Student at SCSU) writes:

! I can not believe that you racist bastards are still back here again???
! 
! 
! Fuck YOU ALL!!!
! 
! 
! 
! The ANARCHIST
! 
! Special Hellos to:
! 
! James Nguyen
! Jenn Starkman
!  and all of the rest of the good people
! 

Rednecks are the most intelligent group in the world.  So there.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 10:32:24 PDT 1996
Article: 67587 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: The Threatened Professor
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In <4uleei$ejv@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Anonymous) writes:

! The author of the following post is David Harman.  Complaints about
! his posts can be sent to postmaster@netcom.com, though I've often
! found a phone call is more effective.
! 
! Andrew Mathis

Do you all remember the time a professor posted simply "Why are Jews so 
overbearing and obnoxius?"  Andrew Mathis and Jason Silverman were among 
those that posted his personal phone numbers and physical address, along 
with threats about dealing justice.  This was an especially dangerous
threat by anti-racists, as Mr. Mathis has posted about how desirable it  
is to murder potential Hitlers.  The Panix.com user documentation 
specifically bars this type of activity by its users, regardless if the  
victim took it as a joke or not.  So keep a watch on Andrew Mathis in 
case he does this again and call Panix or write to postmaster@panix.com .

panix.com:

Voice: (212)741-4400
Fax:   (212)741-5311

! qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) wrote:
! 
! >[Followups-To: alt.flame]
! 
! >In <4u6d03$aoo@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:
! 
! >! Jacob  wrote:
! >! 
! >! >Can someone please tell me about Mormons and Jews.  Is it ture that 
! >! >the founder of the Mormons, Smith, was an admirer or Hitler?
! >! 
! >! Mormons are a strange sect of Xians who believe in a third Testament
! >! on top of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament.
! >! 
! >! Having died long before Hitler's rise, it is not at all likely that
! >! Smith was an admirer of Hitler, but he and Brigham Young were avowed
! >! white supremacists.
! 
! >Jews were admirers of Adolf Hitler.

According to respected historians, most of the Nazi leadership were Jewish.
Why else were they so admired by Jews, lambs to the slaughter?

! >! Andrew Mathis
! >! 
! >! -------------------------------------
! >! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! >! "Be wary of the authorities..."
! >!                 Rabban Gamliel
! >!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! >! 
! 
! >--
! >Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
! >in silence.
! 
! >As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.
! 
! >Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
! >and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.
! 
! >Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.
! 
! >If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
! >always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
! 
! >Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
! >career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
! >time.
! 
! >Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
! >trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
! >persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.
! 
! >Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.
! 
! >Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
! >disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.
! 
! >Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
! >youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
! 
! >Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
! >and loneliness.
! 
! >Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
! >the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
! >there.
! 
! >And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
! >as it should.
! 
! >Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
! >whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
! >peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
! >still a beautiful world.
! 
! >Be careful.  Strive to be happy.
! 
! 
! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! 


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 10:32:26 PDT 1996
Article: 67638 of soc.culture.jewish
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In <4ulqge$hbo@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) wrote:
! 
! >[Followups-To: alt.flame]
! 
! >In <4uleei$ejv@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Anonymous) writes:
! 
! >! The author of the following post is David Harman.  Complaints about
! >! his posts can be sent to postmaster@netcom.com, though I've often
! >! found a phone call is more effective.
! >! 
! >! Andrew Mathis
! 
! >Do you all remember the time a professor posted simply "Why are Jews so 
! >overbearing and obnoxius?"  Andrew Mathis and Jason Silverman were among 
! >those that posted his personal phone numbers and physical address, along 
! >with threats about dealing justice.  This was an especially dangerous
! >threat by anti-racists, as Mr. Mathis has posted about how desirable it  
! >is to murder potential Hitlers.  The Panix.com user documentation 
! >specifically bars this type of activity by its users, regardless if the  
! >victim took it as a joke or not.  So keep a watch on Andrew Mathis in 
! >case he does this again and call Panix or write to postmaster@panix.com .
! 
! >panix.com:
! 
! >Voice: (212)741-4400
! >Fax:   (212)741-5311
! 
! OK, Davey-boy, I'll play your stupid game, as if you have any
! credibility whatsoever in soc.culture.jewish, where I've followed this
! up.
! 
! I defy you to back up the claims that:
! a) I personally posted Kevin Hannan's information online--check

I don't remember the name of the professor.

! Dejanews and post a Header with your post so we can all go see for
! ourselves

I don't think either of you initially posted the name, numbers, and 
address, but you two included the undiluted text of the attack with your 
followups and emphasized how opposed you were to the initial poster, who 
merely stated: "Why are Jews so obnoxius and overbearing?"  His question 
about WHY was not answered, but you two, and the initial harrasser showed 
it can be true.

! b) That I ever advocated "murdering potential Hitlers"--again, let's
! see some real proof now, David

Your home page you had on http://www.panix.com/~{?} where you stated that 
killing Adolf Hitler in his earlier years would have been justified 
because he was a threat to Jews.  Note that it has never been proven that 
Mr. Hitler was even genuinely anti-semitic, that he said and did what he 
did to attract support, according to some accredited historians.

! c) Prove that you are a human being and not a clone made from Hitler's
! own DNA--I want to set 23 distinct pairs of chromosomes (provided
! you're actually human).

First, prove you have an effective rebuttal to the statement 
"anti-semitism is good for the white race."

! David, getting people on s.c.j. to yank my Panix account is about as
! useful as trying to sell coal in Newcastle.

Not all Jews support your threats and intimidations, sir.

! Get bent,
! Andrew Mathis
! 
! P.S. Jason has been known to talk to feds when people get up his ass,
! so I'd suggest you leave him alone too.

He does so, and the feds may be on him for filing false reports.

! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! 


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 12:41:53 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
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In <4uleei$ejv@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Anonymous) writes:

! The author of the following post is David Harman.  Complaints about
! his posts can be sent to postmaster@netcom.com, though I've often
! found a phone call is more effective.
! 
! Andrew Mathis

Do you all remember the time a professor posted simply "Why are Jews so 
overbearing and obnoxius?"  Andrew Mathis and Jason Silverman were among 
those that posted his personal phone numbers and physical address, along 
with threats about dealing justice.  This was an especially dangerous
threat by anti-racists, as Mr. Mathis has posted about how desirable it  
is to murder potential Hitlers.  The Panix.com user documentation 
specifically bars this type of activity by its users, regardless if the  
victim took it as a joke or not.  So keep a watch on Andrew Mathis in 
case he does this again and call Panix or write to postmaster@panix.com .

panix.com:

Voice: (212)741-4400
Fax:   (212)741-5311

! qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) wrote:
! 
! >[Followups-To: alt.flame]
! 
! >In <4u6d03$aoo@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:
! 
! >! Jacob  wrote:
! >! 
! >! >Can someone please tell me about Mormons and Jews.  Is it ture that 
! >! >the founder of the Mormons, Smith, was an admirer or Hitler?
! >! 
! >! Mormons are a strange sect of Xians who believe in a third Testament
! >! on top of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament.
! >! 
! >! Having died long before Hitler's rise, it is not at all likely that
! >! Smith was an admirer of Hitler, but he and Brigham Young were avowed
! >! white supremacists.
! 
! >Jews were admirers of Adolf Hitler.

According to respected historians, most of the Nazi leadership were Jewish.
Why else were they so admired by Jews, lambs to the slaughter?

! >! Andrew Mathis
! >! 
! >! -------------------------------------
! >! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! >! "Be wary of the authorities..."
! >!                 Rabban Gamliel
! >!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! >! 
! 
! >--
! >Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
! >in silence.
! 
! >As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.
! 
! >Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
! >and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.
! 
! >Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.
! 
! >If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
! >always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
! 
! >Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
! >career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
! >time.
! 
! >Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
! >trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
! >persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.
! 
! >Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.
! 
! >Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
! >disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.
! 
! >Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
! >youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
! 
! >Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
! >and loneliness.
! 
! >Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
! >the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
! >there.
! 
! >And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
! >as it should.
! 
! >Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
! >whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
! >peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
! >still a beautiful world.
! 
! >Be careful.  Strive to be happy.
! 
! 
! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! 


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be
in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

Be careful.  Strive to be happy.


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 12:41:55 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Rush Graves Definition Of Trolling
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In <4um97k$lnq@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Rush Graves) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman/Skippy/Pissed Youth) writes:
! >[Followups-To: alt.flame]
! 
! In general, I think that's a good idea.

Do you mean only racists should honor followups?  You don't.

! >BTW, is nizkor archiving ygg  ?
! 
! Yggdrasil? I don't believe so. Why should they? He's just some stupid
! troller. A bit more pretentious and less abusive than the average white
! power ranger, he has the ability to use big words from time to time, but
! he doesn't seem to know what they mean. 

Yggdrasil's a genius, I'll start archiving his essays.  I think I now 
understand your definition of Trolling.  Posting only well thought out 
essays uncrossposted in alt.politics.nationalism.white is "trolling."
Evidently, usenet anti-racists have decided that his arguments are 
unanswerable, and have classed his posts as net abuse.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 13:05:58 PDT 1996
Article: 56882 of alt.revisionism
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In <4um97k$lnq@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.edu (Rush Graves) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman/Skippy/Pissed Youth) writes:
! >[Followups-To: alt.flame]
! 
! In general, I think that's a good idea.

Do you mean only racists should honor followups?  You don't.

! >BTW, is nizkor archiving ygg  ?
! 
! Yggdrasil? I don't believe so. Why should they? He's just some stupid
! troller. A bit more pretentious and less abusive than the average white
! power ranger, he has the ability to use big words from time to time, but
! he doesn't seem to know what they mean. 

Yggdrasil's a genius, I'll start archiving his essays.  I think I now 
understand your definition of Trolling.  Posting only well thought out 
essays uncrossposted in alt.politics.nationalism.white is "trolling."
Evidently, usenet anti-racists have decided that his arguments are 
unanswerable, and have classed his posts as net abuse.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 13:05:59 PDT 1996
Article: 56901 of alt.revisionism
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In  papabudge@aol.com (Papa Budge) writes:

! Akia Klansman wrote:
! 
! > the "french" blacks...once in France like 
! > negroes in the US...go instantly on the dole.
! 
! Evidently all those street cleaners in Paris are working just for the love
! of the job.

Those African/Asian street cleaners are stealing society away from 
Europeans.

! --papa budge
! 
!         "Ring the bells that still can ring.
!          Forget your perfect offering.
!          There is a crack in everything.
!          That's how the light gets in."
! 
!                               --lc
! 
!         "I am a liar who always tells the truth."
! 
!                               --jc


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 14:38:46 PDT 1996
Article: 56904 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
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In <4umj7e$rtl@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! On 11 Aug 1996 22:23:15 GMT, yawen@enter.net (Yale F. Edeiken) wrote:
! 
! >>   mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:
! 
! 
! >	I noted:
! 
! >>  >	You are a criminal.
! >  
! >>  	You are an asshole.  
! 
! >	A good defense.  Is that what you are going to tell netcom?
! 
! >	You are a criminal.
! 
! 	Are you going to tell your provider, in light of your claim to be an
! attorney and the absense of a conviction, that you are not committing
! libel against me?   

He's a Jew alright.

! 	Or is there some reason you can say it but the news media can not?
! The media does have to say the Timothy McVay is still the "alleged"
! bomber.  
! 
! 	Yes there is.  You are below threshold of being sued.  
! 
! 	As for netcom, they have spent so much time dealing with holohugger
! mailbombs and forged email harrassment that I will be surprised if you
! even get a response from them.  
! 
! 	Now as to your provider ...

Wait until yawen sues you first, then counter-sue for libel, attorney 
fees and harrassment.  Legal aggression pays!


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 14:38:47 PDT 1996
Article: 56905 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: whois from nic.ddn.mil (KM214)
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In <4umctt$rtl@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! McVay, Ken (KM214)
!    1B Systems Management Limited
!    5-1601 Bowen Road
!    Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7
!    CA
! 
!    (604) 758-2499
! 
!    kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.CA
! 
! 
!    Record last updated on 02-Apr-96.

So?  When I get my domain name, the only personal thing real about the 
internic entries will be a backup e-mail address contact.  That's all 
that's needed for technical non-business purposes.

! Please be advised that this whois server only contains DOD
! Information.
! All INTERNET Domain, IP Network Number, and ASN records are kept in
! the Internet Registry, RS.INTERNIC.NET.
! 
! 


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 12 17:09:58 PDT 1996
Article: 56937 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Boycotting Microsoft
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In  viking95@freenet.hut.fi (The Last Viking) writes:

! Stardate Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:55:30 GMT, Pissed Youth wrote in alt.flame: 
! :> [Followups-To: alt.flame]
! 
! :> In <4ueomn$av6@highway.leidenuniv.nl> st880824@rulfsw.fsw.leidenuniv.nl (Robbert Baruch) writes:
! 
! :> ! DOS ist Yiddish!!!!
! 
! :> It isn't?  Well, I could swear there's some Judaism in Win95.
! :> And WinNT is Satmar.
! 
! Is that why you are using it? Say, why don't you write your own Visual-DOS? I
! bet you don't even know the name of the creator of Windows, even though it has
! been flying around here like as if he's some kind of biggie or something.

I use only Microsoft-free software and operating systems.  Bill Gates is 
probably Jewish, challenging only Harry Oppenheimer of South Africa as 
the richest man in the world, which is just like saying the richest Jew 
in the world.  I only use racist *ix software and operating systems, like 
SunOS, Linux and BSD. I may try Digital, I think I've seen a picture of 
the Chief Executive Officer/Chairman not being Jewish, if wrong, I may 
try Sun.

! --(.)------------------T-H-E---L-A-S-T---V-I-K-I-N-G-------------------v7.10
!    W p   Email: viking95@freenet.hut.fi                   *information wants
!   /|\|       WWW: http://www.cs.uit.no/~paalde/                   to be free
! () |            Music: http://www.dataconsult.no/beatservice/    *revenge is
! --/-\---------------NET.COP-AND-CANCEL-KING-OF-ALT.FLAME-------------justice
! vim:noai:nosi:wm=8:tw=78:nobk


--
          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 08:05:46 PDT 1996
Article: 57011 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: Tom Moran Does His Little Goebbels Schtick
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! 
! 
!  From tm@pacificnet.net Sat Apr 13 16:26:10 EDT 1996
!  Article: 81079 of alt.revisionism
!  Xref: world alt.revisionism:81079 
!  From: tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran)
!  Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
!  Subject: Hebrew Huggems
!  Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:26:28 GMT
!  Organization: Capital Area Internet Service, Inc.
!  Lines: 7
!  NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1-17.pacificnet.net
!  X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141
! 
! 
!         Keep an eye out for these Hebrew characteristics.
! Hebrews have a problem with controlling their body language. 
! They either jam their hands deep into their pockets or fold their arms
! in front of them in a self hugging stance, to keep their hands from
! flailing about. They also shuffle in place.
!         Ah yes the huggems, the Larry King syndrome.
! 
! 
! 
! 
! -Danny Keren.
! 
! 
! 

Your point?


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 08:05:47 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: Death in Mauthausen
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In  schwartz@infinet.com writes:

! In article , qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) wrote:
! 
! > [Followups-To: alt.flame]
! > 
! > In <320CA231.6CCF@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:
! > 
! > ! Thanks, Danny. I couldn't believe it when we went into Mauthausen and 
! > ! discovered that many POWs from several allied countries had been 
! > ! killed there. General Patten, looked the other way, as some of the 
! > ! tank guys got a little revenge. 
! > ! Chuck
! > 
! > How do you feel about the great General Patton converting to 
! > Anti-Semitism in ninteen forty five?
! 
! How do YOU feel about bringing a complete non sequiter into the discussion?
!  
! What does General Patton's anti-semitism have to do with revisionism?

Everything.

! Sara
! 
! -- 
! "It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice."
!     John Sayles, _Lone Star_


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 09:22:39 PDT 1996
Article: 27160 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: SUPPORTING EACH OTHER
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In <4uaf86$bj8@news2.ios.com> ourhero@village.ios.com (our hero) writes:

! This is my first time on this newsgroup, but I am already familiar
! with some of you -- Kevin Alfred Strom .   :)
! 
! I was just briefly scanning through the items and I've found a lot of
! interesting stuff - e.g. M Huber's articles.. and many more . . but
! these are mostly continuations of prior discussions -- do you guys
! save all of your writings? if so I would love to get a copy of it -- i
! am working on making and IRC room to discuss this topic, and I want to
! have a 'FILESERVER' for people to download articles on various
! subjects -- many of the postings here look really interesting and
! informative -- if you're interested in sending me the whole thing -- i
! am interested in research that people have done etc.. - then please
! email me or respond to this posting.
! 
! 
! Also, I think we all should PAT EACH OTHER ON THE BACK sometimes,
! because I know, from being on IRC that we -all- take a lot of abuse
! and often it seems like the whole world hates us -- it's very
! difficult for me at times, but when I get someone who tells me 'i
! think you are doing a good job' it really makes me feel good.  So I'd
! like to say that I think ALL THE RACE-PATRIOTS IN THIS NEWSGROUP ARE
! HEROES!, and in particular STROM & HUBER seem like good role-models .
!  I am sure there are many others whom I haven't mentioned simply
! because I just started looking at the newsgroups and I didn't read
! most of the postings..
! 
! 
! - o.h.
! 

I love IRC.  I'll be there.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!



From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 09:22:40 PDT 1996
Article: 27168 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: When is an experiment a failure?
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In <320b9e09.17747264@news.redshift.com> mikew@redshift.com (Spanky the Yankee) writes:

! This country has been called The Great Experiment. When do we begin to
! admit that The Experiment hasn't worked, and it's time to try
! something else? When half of the number of black males under 35 are in
! prison? When OJ Simpson is acquitted by a predominantly black jury
! because he's black? When the Blacks of Washnigton D.C. elect a
! convicted crack felon as mayor because he's black? When the Leader of
! the Nation Of Islam seeks financial support from one of his host
! country's greatest enemies? When Whites support White Things and the
! Blacks support Black Things?
! 
! I think we're WAY past any need to say who's right and who's wrong.
! Let's just call it Irreconcilable Differences and seek a speedy,
! uncontested divorce.
! 
! This in fact is not an issue of Race. There is no precedent in history
! for a successful multi-cultural society. Culture is the glue that
! binds a people together. Culture is implicit in language and in style.
! Not multi-racial, multi-cultural. 200 years of experience has proven
! that the *majority* of Blacks in America want to have, and think of
! themselves as having, a separate culture. It's implicit in the way
! they attempt to distinguish themselves in their speech, attire, and
! outlook. That being the case, let's file for divorce, and get on with
! the details of separation.

When is the great multi-racial experiment over?

When the white race is extinct.

That being the nature of the experiment.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 09:28:39 PDT 1996
Article: 39238 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Re: I've Noticed...
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In <4ulq8l$8ko@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> fische11@ix.netcom.com(some bizzare guy on the internet) writes:

! I've noticed the following things, and because of my moral code (of not
! engaging in battles of the wits with the unarmed) I have stopped
! posting to this news group.  
! If you still want to debate, and you have an IQ that's out of the
! single digits, you can email me at fische11@ix.netcom.com.
! 
!     1)Racists don't post sources.  Look back.  I am YET to see a true
! source from any racist in this news group.  However, the anti-racists
! post sources all the time, and we are yet to find a fake one.  Makes
! you wonder about all those 90% out there, don't it?

The constant URL's posted by anti-racists, are typically irrelevent to 
the ongoing dialog, Rush Graves being an excellent example of 
anti-racists aggressively trying to derail threads.  Racist URL's are 
much more likely to be of contributive material.  And really now, the 
insane proposition that it is a good idea to preserve the status quo is 
so offensive to Western ears that a higher standard of documentation 
should be demanded of it's adherents.

!     2)Racists are full of mis-information.  Pissed Youth said that
! there were never pureblood Roms, but most the whites were pure to this
! day;  Someone who's to much of a wuss to actually put there name on

Roms are obviously a mixture of Asian and White, and Whites are  
obviously not African or Asian as you have stated, otherwise, it would 
show by racial appearance.

! this newsgroup says that the Blacks didn't invent anything;  people
! insist that the Holocaust never happened.  Anyone with an IQ of a CHILD
! knows that these are all lies.
!     3)Racists back everything up with #1'd stats (no sources) and
! eye-witness accounts.  They never mention what their reaction is during
! the eye-witness accounts, and even if they did, they aren't objective. 

"Races are equal," do you consider that an objective statement?  The 
ruling class demands that anti-racism be considered an axiom of our society.

!     4)American Superhero standing up for the "American Way".  What
! American Way would this be?

Racism.

!     5)Racists think they're loyal to the country.  This country is
! based on freedom from persecution, a home to the oppressed, etc.  The
! racists are a slap in the face to that.

Racism.

!     I'd continue, but if you're racist you're to stupid to understand,
! and if you're not, it's a waste of your time.
! 
!     Robert Rothenbrew
!     http://www.netcom.com/~fische11/

Your URL?

http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/qu/qut/


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 09:28:39 PDT 1996
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In <320EA935.1D27@texas.net> brouil@texas.net writes:

! Nice quoting of Cock Sparrer's great song. It is C.S. right? For me,
! Skrewdriver is good for the soul. sigh.......

>From  Cock Sparrer's Rumours Carry More Weight Than Fact CD, as best as I 
can make out the vocals, English CD's don't seem to have lyric sheets. 
I've never actually heard Skrewdriver, as I'm of Berkeley, and so am
culturally deprived.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 09:28:40 PDT 1996
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In <320b9e09.17747264@news.redshift.com> mikew@redshift.com (Spanky the Yankee) writes:

! This country has been called The Great Experiment. When do we begin to
! admit that The Experiment hasn't worked, and it's time to try
! something else? When half of the number of black males under 35 are in
! prison? When OJ Simpson is acquitted by a predominantly black jury
! because he's black? When the Blacks of Washnigton D.C. elect a
! convicted crack felon as mayor because he's black? When the Leader of
! the Nation Of Islam seeks financial support from one of his host
! country's greatest enemies? When Whites support White Things and the
! Blacks support Black Things?
! 
! I think we're WAY past any need to say who's right and who's wrong.
! Let's just call it Irreconcilable Differences and seek a speedy,
! uncontested divorce.
! 
! This in fact is not an issue of Race. There is no precedent in history
! for a successful multi-cultural society. Culture is the glue that
! binds a people together. Culture is implicit in language and in style.
! Not multi-racial, multi-cultural. 200 years of experience has proven
! that the *majority* of Blacks in America want to have, and think of
! themselves as having, a separate culture. It's implicit in the way
! they attempt to distinguish themselves in their speech, attire, and
! outlook. That being the case, let's file for divorce, and get on with
! the details of separation.

When is the great multi-racial experiment over?

When the white race is extinct.

That being the nature of the experiment.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 09:49:05 PDT 1996
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In <320EA935.1D27@texas.net> brouil@texas.net writes:

! Nice quoting of Cock Sparrer's great song. It is C.S. right? For me,
! Skrewdriver is good for the soul. sigh.......

>From  Cock Sparrer's Rumours Carry More Weight Than Fact CD, as best as I 
can make out the vocals, English CD's don't seem to have lyric sheets. 
I've never actually heard Skrewdriver, as I'm of Berkeley, and so am
culturally deprived.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 13:18:45 PDT 1996
Article: 67782 of soc.culture.jewish
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Subject: Re: INTERMARRIAGE - ANY ANSWERS - PLEASE
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In <0000211c+00010b33@msn.com> Sandy_O@msn.com (SANDRA ANN ORMOND) writes:

! I AM INVOLVED WITH AN ORTHODOX JEWISH MAN, AND AM SERIOUSLY 
! CONSIDERING CONVERTING TO JUDAISM (ORTHODOX).
! 
! I HAVE A THREE YEAR OLD SON FROM A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE, WHO LIVES WITH 
! ME, AND AM CURIOUS IF HE HAS TO BE CONVERTED ALSO.
! 
! HIS FATHER IS VERY CLOSE TO HIM, AND SEES HIM OFTEN, AND I FEEL THAT 
! CONVERTING HIM TO JUDAISM WOULD BE UNFAIR TO HIS PATERNAL FATHER.
! 
! I ALSO COULD NOT CONTROL WHAT HIS FATHER FED HIM WHEN HE WENT FOR 
! VISITS, OR IF HIS FATHER WATCHED TV ON A SATURDAY ETC.  I FEEL THAT 
! MY SON SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE HIS OWN DECISION WHEN HE IS OF AGE.
! 
! DOES ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING INVOLVING THIS SUBJECT.
! 
! PLEASE EMAIL ME AT Sandy_O@msn.com
! 
! Thankyou.

You'll just be harrassed, baited by every religion alike.  You'll have to 
give up your old friends, and sit around mumbling all the time.  Please
reconsider.  Oh, and you'll never be president.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject: Vicki Weaver was an anti-semite
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Therefore she deserved to die.  Thank G-d for Asian-American sharpshooters.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
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In <4un1k2$2ch@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) wrote:
! 
! >[Followups-To: alt.flame]
! 
! >In <4ulqr8$hff@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:
! 
! >! Just some observations, if I may...
! >! 
! >! kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
! >! 
! >! >In article <320ddaeb.2302261@news.inetport.com>, mcurtis@inetport.com wrote:
! >! 
! >! >[another shirthugger wrote]
! >! 
! >! >>>If he does call me a fatbroad do I get a T-Shirt ?
! >! 
! >! >>You want a "FATBROAD" T-Shirt? Hmmmm. :-)
! >! 
! >! >Wait just a darned MINUTE, here, bub! This FATBROAD T-shirt
! >! >stuff is getting WAAY out of hand.
! >! 
! >! >The FFR (First Fatbroad Rule) clearly states that only female
! >! >FATBROAD-DESIGNATES are eligible to receive the FTS.
! >! 
! >! >As you know, eligible FTS recipients are flown, all expenses
! >! >paid, to Maui, where they enjoy the 45-day initiation
! >! >ceremony. Mr. Gandi is not eligible.
! >! 
! >! OK, but you better have a troop-transport ready for the FBs; I mean,
! >! how much torque (thrust?  force?  don't ask me!) will you have to get
! >! to get these Fatbroads airborne?  Gotta be careful!
! >! 
! >! 
! >! 
! >! >Here are some suggestions, based upon minimal research,
! >! >as to reasonable pledges:
! >! 
! >! >-----------------------------------------------------------
! >! >Name			Pledge		Monthly
! >! >			per Post	Projected Cost *
! >! >-----------------------------------------------------------
! >! >Matt Giwer		$ 0.05 		$55.00
! >! >Greg Raven		$ 1.00		 32.00
! >! >Leslie Griswold		$ 0.10		 32.00
! >! >Alex Baron		$ 0.50		 32.00
! >! >Anton Huber		$ 0.40		 32.00
! >! >"M Huber"		$ 0.20		 32.00
! >! >E. Zundel		$1000.00	  0.00
! >! >-----------------------------------------------------------
! >! 
! >! I don't think we're gonna be hearing from the Hubers for a while (at
! >! least until they get another Prodigy account--I got an inside contact
! >! I'll e-mail you about), but for the sake of argument, I'll adopt "M";
! >! the name just reminds me child molestation for some reason, and the
! >! Hubers are perhaps the only group that I hold in lower esteem.
! 
! >You consider anti-semitism to be worse than child molestation?!?!?
! 
! >Are you going to continue with your self defined so-called Judaism?
! 
! Yes, I do believe that racism and anti-Semitism are worse than child
! molestation.  Child molesters are sick people afflicted with a
! psychosexual disorder.  They should be locked up and the key thrown
! away, but also felt sorry for, since most of them were molested as
! children themselves and can't help what they do. 
! 
! A racist is just someone looking for a scapegoat for his own
! insecurities, David.  A person unable to cope with their inabilities
! and inadequacies.  So they hate,and end up maiming and killing people
! because of it.
! 
! Now which is worse?
! 
! Andrew

You are a menace!  In the racist future, child molestors will be 
executed, and anti-semites will have full political rights.  So you 
consider the anti-semitic world to be worse than raping children, to 
merely have the thought that the Jewish power structure is bad?

Why do you call yourself a leftist when you hold no anti-capitalist 
beliefs whatsoever?

! -------------------------------------
! "Hehvu z'hirin barashut..."
! "Be wary of the authorities..."
!                 Rabban Gamliel
!                 Pirkei Avot 2:3
! 


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 13:18:49 PDT 1996
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In <4ulljo$eha@news.asu.edu> hrvat@imap2.asu.edu writes:


! 
! Read Serbias Secret War by Philip J. Cohen

How about reviewing the book, so we can gather why we should read it?


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


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In <4udoic$ak1@news.csus.edu> luriete@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Joshua Lurie-Turrell) writes:

! So far, here's the tally:
! 
! whites arrested for church burnings and attempted church burnings since 1990:
! 80
! 
! blacks arrested for church burnings (as above) since 1990:
! 7 (now 8)
! 
! From the FBI's crime stats update, June 1 1996
! 
! Of course, if Griswold had any ability to reason critically, this might 
! make sense to him, but I have a feeling he ignores anything he doesn't 
! understand or anything that doesn't fit pat with his predetermined view 
! of the world.
! 
! : _Another Negro Indicted in Church Fires_ (ANA) :  
! : A negro teenager was indicted yesterday (8/5/96) on charges of burning down
! : two negro churches in Greenville, Texas, last month.  The Justice
! : Department said Mark Anthony Young was charged with two counts of arson and
! : could face up to forty years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000.  Local
! : black "leaders" said that Young is mentally disabled and that police
! : exceeded their powers in drawing a confession out of him.
! :  
! : Les
! 
! 
! 
! --
! Notice: This message may not be transmitted or received by systems on
! the Microsoft Network.  Microsoft is hereby granted the right to pay me,
! the above named, $200 dollars to post this message.  Any posting of this
! message constitutes acceptance of this notice.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 13 13:18:50 PDT 1996
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In <4uo9rg$lr2@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa824@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:


! 
!    Which Jews?
! 
!    All Jews?
! 
!    Most Jews?
! 
!    Some Jews?
! 
!    A few Jews?
! 
!    My mother?
! 
!    My father?
! 
!    Me?
! 
!   _________________________________________________________________________
!  |                                                                         |
!  |         /\                                                              |
!  |    ____/_ \____      Mark Ira Kaufman  aa824@cleveland.freenet.edu      |
!  |    \  ___\ \  /                                                         |
!  |     \/ /  \/ /       "The difference between genius and stupidity       |
!  |     / /\__/_/\        is that genius has its limits."                   | 
!  |    /__\ \_____\                                                         |
!  |        \  /                                  - Albert Einstein          |
!  |         \/                                                              |
!  |_________________________________________________________________________|
! 
! 

Anti-racist scum like Messers Mathis, Bronfman and Oppenheimer.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


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In <4unvdu$66i@scooby.beloit.edu> orelg@stu.beloit.edu (Gwen Orel) writes:

Has anyone told you, you have a beautiful font?


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 14 17:51:34 PDT 1996
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In <19960814520.ZOG@c2.org> rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) writes:

Not everyone follows your trolls, newbie.  Do you really consider 
yourself the leader of anti-racism?  Oh, you do a fine job of stopping 
racism from spreading!

! Jim Vassallo  writes:
! 
! [About Toronto's "Anti-Racist Action"]
! 
! >These are the same people who ripped apart and torched Ernst Zundel's
! >house. Did he deserve it? Probably. But these militant little fucks do
! >not have the right to take the law into their hands. They are terrorists,
! >and they're as bad as the racists.
! 
! Er... there is no evidence that anyone in ARA was involved, so the above
! shouldn't be presented as a definitive fact. Of course they incited it, so
! I'm not really *disagreeing* with you, but I don't believe it was a
! conspiracy of ARA "leaders." They're not geniuses; they'd have been
! caught. It was "just" someone they approved of.
! 
! >Now, I should note I wrote them a very polite letter addressing my
! >concerns within their organization. I listed several points that I told
! >them were counter-productive to the fight against racism. When you spread
! >hate to fight hate you get nowhere. But not a word. No justification for
! >what they do. No explanation. No "you bring up some interesting points,"
! >or "thank you for you crticism." Nothing. So yes, I'm now upset. 

Not everyone follows your trolls, newbie.  Do you really consider 
yourself the leader of anti-racism?  Oh, you do a fine job of stopping 
racism from spreading!

! 
! Color me unimpressed. They paid me the courtesy of sending me the
! following one-liner, but then, I wasn't as polite as you were. Compare
! with the anonymous letters I've received from racists:

Not everyone follows your trolls, newbie.  Do you really consider 
yourself the leader of anti-racism?  Oh, you do a fine job of stopping 
racism from spreading!

! 
!  http://www.c2.org/~rich/letters/
! 
! I'd say the racists are a little more artistically inclined.
! 
! | Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 21:44:08 -0500
! | To: Rich Graves 
! | From: ara@web.apc.org (ara)
! | Subject: Re: Um, guys...
! | Message-Id: 
! | 
! | >Are you fucking stupid, or are you a Neo-Nazi parody?

Not everyone follows your trolls, newbie.  Do you really consider 
yourself the leader of anti-racism?  Oh, you do a fine job of stopping 
racism from spreading!

! | >
! | >The Guardian newspaper in the UK asked me if I cared to comment on your 
! | >campaign of harassment against Ernst Zundel. Until they asked me that, 
! | >I'd thought their article would be really good.

Not everyone follows your trolls, newbie.  Do you really consider 
yourself the leader of anti-racism?  Oh, you do a fine job of stopping 
racism from spreading!

! | >
! | >Will you puhleaze tone it down a notch, at least for the duration of 
! | >the press interest in Zundel's bogus "censorship" claim? I assume
! | >you're well aware that he's using your web site as a recruiting tool.

Not everyone follows your trolls, newbie.  Do you really consider 
yourself the leader of anti-racism?  Oh, you do a fine job of stopping 
racism from spreading!

! | >
! | >-rich
! | >
! | >why don't you go and suck nazi assholes and the Guardian to boot

Not everyone follows your trolls, newbie.  Do you really consider 
yourself the leader of anti-racism?  Oh, you do a fine job of stopping 
racism from spreading!

! |      ++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal ++++
! |  ++++ if you agree copy these 3 sentences in your own sig ++++
! | ++++ see: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ++++
! 
! There were some later followups, and I think they accepted me as a good
! guy -- until they saw this post, that is :-) -- but yeah, they come off a
! bit strong. To be fair, though, this street battle has two sides:

Well what do you expect?  They get all their ideas from the daily paper!

!  http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/canadian/sirc/heritage-front/
! 
! >Oh, BTW, I snipped it, but the article later tells of how they are know
! >getting $8,000 in government funding. (Municipal) That's tax dollars from
! >those boys and girls in TO. 
! 
! They were one of several organizations at the conference. The rest were
! pretty normal. The ARA yahoos Zundel and Lemire so love to talk about (and
! who are rightly criticized by all parties, as are Wolfgang Droege's
! Heritage Front yahoos) were not representative of the conference.

Liar.  The ARA was funded directy by the city of Toronto.

! Despite Zundel's moaning and groaning about how it was going to be a mob
! scene, and how he was going to hold the city for any damage the ARA mob
! caused, the conference was quite peaceful, and Zundel had no damage to
! claim. Maybe they're learning. Slowly.

Mr. Zuendel or the ARA?



--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


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> > ! > In <320CA231.6CCF@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:
> > ! >
> > ! > ! Thanks, Danny. I couldn't believe it when we went into Mauthausen and
> > ! > ! discovered that many POWs from several allied countries had been
> > ! > ! killed there. General Patten, looked the other way, as some of the
> > ! > ! tank guys got a little revenge.
> > ! > ! Chuck
> > ! >
> > ! > How do you feel about the great General Patton converting to
> > ! > Anti-Semitism in ninteen forty five?
> 
> He didn't convert he was always like that. Born that way I guess. But 

I wasn't aware of that, I thought he changed his mind from pro-Jewish to 
anti-Jewish because he blamed Jews for "failing to go to war on Stalin" 
when "peace" was declared in Europe in 1945.

> he was an ass kicker par excellence

Undeniable, for Messers Patton and MacArthur.  As for the Reich, Mr. 
Hitler fans blame his generals and opponents blame Mr. Hitler.  Whatever.

> > ! How do YOU feel about bringing a complete non sequiter into the discussion?
> > !
> > ! What does General Patton's anti-semitism have to do with revisionism?
> 
> Nada---nuttin'---not a friggin' thing!   :-)
> Chuck
> > 
> > Everything.
> 
> No, don't think so.

Go tell Ms Scwartz and Mr. McVay that.

> The guy was a killer General. 

Generals do tend to kill.

> Chuck
> > 
> > ! Sara
> > !
> 



--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may 
be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull 
and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for 
always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own
career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of
time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of
trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many
persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and
disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of
youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue
and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of
the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be
there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not 
worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and
whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep
peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is
still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may 
be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit 
terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the 
celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always 
there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in  
your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real 
possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of 
trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many  
persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of 
heroism.  Consult the television listings for your local schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about 
price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and 
disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things 
of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for 
being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not 
distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor 
price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child 
of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a 
right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling 
as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. 
And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of 
market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term 
earnings that matter.

Strive to be independently wealthy.

          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.

ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's all dark, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!



From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 16:06:18 PDT 1996
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From: krtanner%/etc/HOSTNAME (Head Librarian)

Gee, is that your real e-mail address?  I only use my real address JACKASS.

Date: 14 Aug 1996 21:18:09 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.flame
Subject: Re: Just Pissed

Pissed Youth (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
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"Pissed Youth"? 

Netcom should ban the use of chfn-command from its customers.

--
He's got a force field and a flexible plan.
He's got a date with fate in a black sedan.
He plays fast forward as long as he can.
But he won't need a bed. He's a Digital Man.         -- Peart



--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism.  Consult the television listings for your loca
l schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be.  And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter.

Racism is your best protection against crime.

Strive to be independently wealthy.


          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


                     +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                      +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
             +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 16:06:19 PDT 1996
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In <4unf43$h9r@bigboote.WPI.EDU> qwerty@WPI.EDU (Michael David Scott) writes:

! >You're my Cleopatra
! 
! Wasn't Cleopatra Egyptian, hence black, and therefore not very pretty?

The Irish are good looking, hence not Black.

The Egyptians were good looking, hence wern't Black.


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism.  Consult the television listings for your loca
l schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be.  And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter.

Racism is your best protection against crime.

Strive to be independently wealthy.


          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


                     +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                      +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
             +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 16:06:20 PDT 1996
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In <4uup8i$7is@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:24:37 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
! 
! >In article <161416Z12081996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
! 
! >> Jews control the National Security Agency, and the Central Intelligence 
! >> Agency.  Noam Chomsky is correct in his judgements of the government and 
! >> economics, except for his "forgetting" that Jews control everything.
! >> John Loftus is correct in his judgements of the intelligence agencies, 
! >> except the enemy is Jews not Anti-Semites.
! 
! >You know, my father is a psychiatrist, Mr. Anon, and they have a name for
! >people like you:
! > 
! >Delusional Paranoiacs.
! > 
! >You might consider upping your medication, or adjusting the collander and
! >tin foil on your head.
! 
! 	Their is a name for psychiatrists.  That name is quacks.  Not one
! recorded cured by psychotherapy.  Only by drugs and brain damage from
! electrical and chemical trauma.  
! 
! 	No cures and still battling the Scientologists at their own level.  

Freud got his start sniffing coke.  If he were around today, he'd be 
all into smoking crack.  I don't recommend it, but it's better than 
Scientology.  Cheaper too.  I wonder if Tom Marcellus takes hits.

! 	But of course if you wish to claim otherwise, post the evidence.  


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism.  Consult the television listings for your loca

l schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be.  And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter.

Racism is your best protection against crime.

Strive to be independently wealthy.


          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


                     +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                      +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
             +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 16:06:21 PDT 1996
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   Nazism, fascism and extreme nationalism are today at the highest peak
   since the destruction of Hitler's dictatorship in 1945. Today, all
   over the world, fascists and extreme nationalists win millions of
   votes on their simple racist solutions to the very complex problems of
   the society. In the streets, Nazi boneheads are spreading fear by
   using murderous violence and terror. These fascist groups blame the
   cultural and ethnic minorities for the problems in our society. These
   individuals, and their political leaders, are a threat to our
   democracy, and to everything that is decent.
   
   
   This page was created to spread information about the activity of
   Nazi, fascists and extreme nationalists in Europe and on the Internet.
   It was created because it is my belief that these groups would only
   grow in number if they are left for themselves. We can no longer hide
   our head in the sand and pretend that they don't exist, and we can not
   accept that people are being murdered because their skin colour,
   culture, religion, apperance, sexuality, way of life or way of
   thinking are different. These extremist groups must be stopped!
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   Main Selections 
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     ,n [4]About this page
       A little background information on why I made this page. You will
       also find the Disclaimers here, and some links to a couple of
       Skinhead pages aswell.
     ,n [5]Nazism and Extreme Nationalism in Europe
       The text on this page was taken from a poster made by Searchlight
       and Humanist in 1994. It is the result of an exhaustive
       investigation of the groups and the environment around them.
       Generally gathered from people who put their life at stakes by
       infiltrated them, posing as right-activists.
     ,n [6]Hate Mail
       Many people have written email to me, supporting this project, but
       there has also been some rather nasty letters sent to me. On this
       page you will find a nice collection of the worst ones.
     ,n [7]Links to Extreme-Nationalists on the Net
     ,n [8]Nazi Symbols and Flags
       Graphics of flags and symbols used by the Nazis.
     ,n [9]News
     ,n [10]Organizations in Europe
       This is my on-growing list of Nazi, fascist and
       extreme-nationalist organizations, magazines and groups in Europe.
     * [11]Quotes
       
   
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   Miscellaneous 
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     * [12]Adolf Hitler and the 7 Dwarves
       This little story about Hitler and the 7 Dwarves was written by
       Ernst Zundel. Not the real and bad Ernst Zundel, but a rather
       pseudo Ernst at AOL. Even as this parody is based on a disaster,
       it still doesn't get too tacky about it [IMHO].
     * [13]Fighting the Nazi menace
     * [14]Translation of Wessel's hate page on Tripod
       They may think that writing their texts in Swedish will prevent
       English readers from reading it. But, well, here I have a
       translation of the gibber written by our "sweet brothers" in the
       east.
     * [15]Visitor statistics for this page
       
   
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   About The Nazism Exposed Page 
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   The Nazism Exposed "fighting the Nazi menace" page, was created for at
   least four reasons.
   
     * As an offensive against the growing nazi activity on the Internet.
     * As a source to people who seek information about the activity in
       Nazi, fascist or extreme nationalist groups on the internet, and
       in the European countries.
     * As an effort to display to the public [media] that the Internet is
       not only a medium for people whose main interests are promoting
       nazi-hate, the use of bombs, terrorism or child pornography.
     * As a resource that just might make a difference when a person is
       about to be drawn into an unfriendly environment.
     * As a location where the visitors can find hard-core information
       about Nazis, rather than all the deluding bubble talk found at the
       sites held by themselves.
       
        On these pages have I juggled between using Nazis, fascist,
   right- extremist, nationalist or social-nationalist. The reason I have
   drawn no particular line between these groups, is that I feel they are
   all far off when it comes to what can be accepted, and because they
   are often very hard to tell apart. In other words; I feel that they
   are all the same bloody gut. I do not see anything wrong in being a
   good patriot however - and as a matter in fact, I consider myself to
   be one. Still, to extend that into saying that your race or nation is
   better, or superior to others, is WRONG!
   
   
   To tell you a little more about myself; I am what the Nazis refer to
   as an Aryan [A non-Jewish Caucasian of Nordic origin] - I really don't
   see what importance my skin colour has, but the Nazi seem to be very
   focused on that. Politically I am in the center of the Norwegian
   political scene. I fear any extremist rule, on both the right and the
   left side - Communism is not the answer.
   
   
   There's a few things I want you bite a note on before you start
   reading on my pages:
   
     * Some of the material found on these pages may seem offensive to
       many people. This goes particulary for the information that can be
       sought from the links to fascists on the net page. If you are
       offended in anyway, then I am truly sorry but you shouldn't have
       started on that crusade in the first place.
     * Hate groups, with the Nazis in particular, like to use ancient
       symbolism to promote their ideas. What I am particulary referring
       to here is their use of Nordic Vikings symbolism. This use is just
       a feeble attempt by the Nazis to create a unity based on their so
       called national heritage. Yet, please note that not everyone that
       uses these symbols are Nazi. There are several religions based on
       the ancient Viking Gods, and several societies use Runes in their
       symbolism.
     * Skinheads are today often associated with Nazis - simply because a
       lot of the Nazi prefer to be Skin'. This does NOT mean that every
       Skinhead is a Nazi. I suggest reading pages like [1]Skinheads,
       [2]Skinheads on the Internet and the [3]SHARP Home page..
       
   I hope that you find the information found on these pages useful, and
   that you will get a better understanding of how wrong, and how far the
   "modern" Nazi activity has reached. I am open for comments of any
   kind, and I can be reached at: [4]paalde@stud.cs.uit.no.
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DISCLAIMER:IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ANY KIND OF RACISM,FACISM OR ANY OTHER
NAZISTUFF THEN THIS IS THE WRONG PLACE FOR YOU. THIS IS A PAGE FOR NON-RACIST
AND NON-FACIST SKINS AND THOSE WHO ARE INTERESSTED IN IT.

   
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   Skinheads, nowadays a syonnym for violence and racism. But the roots
   of this youthcult are far far away from that. In the late 1960's
   middleclass youngsters and students proclaimed a world of peace and
   flowerpower. The age of the so called "Hippies" began. From the sunny
   sides of California over to Britain and even whole Europe, peace and
   the teachings of Lenin, Stalin and Mao-Tse-Tung was all around. The
   answer from the british working class, which had not any of these
   ideas in their mind, was to as simply as effective. Already being very
   proud of being working class, they showed it in a quite extrem form to
   the public. They put on their heavy working boots, their braces and
   got their hair cropped. The short cut hair had two main reasons. First
   of all it was a kind of protest and second it was a good deal in
   streetfights, which was an important part of a skinheadlife. Short cut
   hair is very hard to catch in fight. The connection from Skinheads to
   [1]ska lies in the the so called "Rude Boys". The brought their music
   from their motherland Jamaica to Great Britain, where the skinheads
   adopted it very fast. Ska became the sound of the skinheadscene. This
   is where many see one of the greatest contradiction of modern right
   orientated skins. It's quite stupied to curse on black people on the
   one hand, and on the other hand to listen to one of the most black
   music styles of all. The right shift in the skinheadscene can be
   placed in the eigthes. Especially right wing parties as the British
   National Front (NF) used the skins for their ideals and aims. Ska was
   no longer the hymme of skins. Instead of that "Oi!" a derivate of punk
   became more and more popular.
   The skinhead as an other word for terror was found in Germany in the
   early 1990's, when several foreingers got killed by some people
   proclaiming themselfs as skinheads.(Actually most of them got long
   hair)
   Violence has ever been a part of the skinhead-cult, cause violence is
   a part of all low-class youth-cults (e.g. Rock'a'Billy in the 1950's)
   and can not be discussed away. But unneceassary,cowardly and out of
   all proportion violence against women and children, as we saw it in
   Moelln and Solingen, has nothing to do, with the roots of the skinhead
   movement. But it probably was a good story for the media and a good
   culprit for the politicans.
   Some of the skinheads, who still live with the rules from the 1970's,
   proclaim themself as so called "S.H.A.R.P." skins (Skinheads against
   racial prejudice). An american foundantion, which has it's sections
   all over the world. Germany has a very strong S.H.A.R.P. community,
   although many people left, cause it got to political (not right
   orientated!). Despite the fact, that there people, dressed in
   skinhead-style, bashing foreingers, praising Hitler and the third
   reich, there are many young guys (and girls), who can be seen with
   short cut hair on the streets, who are not facist or neonazi. They
   still listen to black music, such as ska and soul. Many ska bands are
   black and the skinheads dancing on their concerts, got no problem with
   that fact.
   
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   For comments and suggestions mail to:[2]Jens Leibig
   This page is matter of my own opinion. If you're offended or don't
   like it, then please don't read it. 
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                              SKA - WHAT IS IT ?
                                       
   First of all, ska is a special kind of music, which has its roots in
   Jamaica, that beautiful caribbean island, that we all know as home of
   the reggae music. Ska can be seen as a kind of forrunner of reggae.
   The origin of the word "Ska" itself is yet unknown. The differnences
   between ska and reggae can be described as such (as far as music can
   be described in words). Ska is defintiv more powerful and agile when
   reggae. It has not much of this "hang loose" feeling, like reggae.
   These differences also concern the kind of people, who used to listen
   to that music. When we think of reggae, we have Bob Marley, long
   dreadlocks and dope in our mind. That`s not the way when talking of
   ska. Ska was, in its origins, the music of young men, mostly small
   crimminals hanging out in the streets of Kingston and other larger
   jamaican cities. They were called "Rude Boys". These so called "Rude
   Boys" were the ones who brought the music to europe. Many imigrants
   from Jamaica, a former british colony,came to the mother country, in
   the sixties. "Discouraged, but full of hope" as "xxxxx" describes
   them, they came to the run down suburbs of Great Britain, where they
   came together with other sections of the british working class. Here
   the [1]"Skinheads" had to be mentioned, which adopted their music. In
   England the new sound was titled from ska, bluebeat to rocksteady.
   It`s hard to differ between the single styles and many people discuss
   lots about it. The point is, that ska came in its original form to
   Britain at the ending sixties. The [2]most important representantives
   of this era were (my personal choice):
   
   - Laurel Aitken
   - The Skatalites
   - Symarip
   - The Maytals
   - Justin Hinds
   - and many others
   
   They made ska popular in Britain. Later ska got mixed up with several
   british styles of music, like punk, which was still in its infancy at
   the early seventies. Punk legends, such as "The Clash" even covered
   old sixties ska hits (e.g. "Pressure Drop", by The Clash). New Wave
   kid "Blondie" covered "The tide is high", a sixties song, which
   appeard later in Jimmy CLiff's movie "The harder they come". A film
   about the life of a jamaican gangster in the seventies. But the music
   scene did not only cover-releases, but also some very interessting
   mixtures of different music styles. The most important of these was
   the so called "2-Tone era", named after the first record label that
   came out with such productions at the beginning eightes. Altough the
   roots of ska are quite far away from 2-Tone, their elements can still
   be felt. 2-Tone was a mix between the roots of ska, british pop of the
   eightes and the rest of the ending punk era. It was the first time,
   that ska came out of the ghettos to the british top of the pops. The
   most well-know band of that time is probably "Madness", but there are
   lots of others that are worth to be mentioned. Here are some of them
   (again, my personal choice):
   
   
   - Madness
   - The Specials (former Coventry Automatics)
   - The Selecter
   - Bad Manners
   - The Beat
   
   
   The 2-Tone era vanished as fast as it came. In the mid eightes, not
   much was talked about 2-tone. Madness was one aof the rare survivors,
   but LP's of the late eithes by them showed a really poor performance.
   Altough the 2-tone era is long gone, many of the bands are still on
   tour. For example "The Selecter" (Touring seems to be their life),
   "Madness" could be seen on three concerts last year and "The Specials"
   and "The Beat" together made a tour last year.
   
   The ending of the 2-tone era was not synonymous with the end of ska in
   europe. In Jimmy Cliff's words :"In Italy, Germany, France and even
   Spain, the ska was in their brain". The ending eightes and beginning
   nineties brought a real boom of new ska groups all over the european
   continent. It did not reach the popularity of the eightes 2-tone era,
   but in the independet and off beat scenes ska became more and more
   popular. These new section in the history of ska was called "Neo-" or
   simply "New-Ska". The type of ska also infected the american
   continent. Bands like the "Toasters" mixed ska with rap and other kind
   of US-typical elements or "The mighty mighty Bosstones" showed what
   will happen, when ska and really heavy music clash together.
   
   Apart from all these mixtures and derivates of ska, there are still
   numerous bands all over the globe which still play the original ska
   from the sixties. Even Laurel Aitken , now an old man, and many other
   bands from that time, still play in the clubs and dancehalls and make
   thousends of young people to do what ska is simply about. Dance !
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   This page is maintained by:
   
   
    [3]Jens Leibig
    This page is matter of my own opinion. If you're offended or don't
    like it, then please don't read it.
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   Nazism and Extreme Nationalism in Europe. 
   
   
   country/region:
   
   [1]Austria, [2]Benelux, [3]Eastern Europe, [4]France, [5]Germany,
   [6]Great Britain, [7]Italy, [8]Scandinavia or [9]Spain.
   
   general information:
   
   [10]Ideology/Activity, [11]International Networks, [12]Terror or back
   to [13]Nazism Exposed.
   
   The following information was taken from the poster
   "Nazism and Extreme Nationalism in Europe"
   created by [14]Searchlight and Humanist in 1994
   
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AUSTRIA

   The hardcore Nazi movement is small but extremely violent. The
   Volkstreue Ausserparlamentarische Opposition (VAPO) was led by
   [15]Gottfried Kussel till he was jailed for ten years in autumn 1993
   for trying to retrieve Hitler's NSDAP.
   
   In December 1993, VAPO launched a letter bomb terror campaign in
   revenge for [16]Kussel's inprisonment. A woman TV reporter was
   disfigured, a Catholic priest seriously wounded and the mayor of
   Vienna lost fingers in the bomb attacks. VAPO Nazis were arrested in
   December 1993 in possession of hundreds of automatic rifles, bazookas,
   grenades, pistols, mines and 20 kg of TNT. Some VAPO members have
   fought as mercenaries in facist units in Croatia.
   
   Nationalist extremism also have its respectable face in Austria. The
   racist Freiheitliche Partei Osterreichs (FRO), led by Jorg Haider, is
   now the third biggest party in Austria and the second biggest in
   Vienna. In early 1993, Haider collected more than 780,000 signatures
   for a petition to end imigration.
   
   
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BENELUX

   The main forces of organised racism and right-winged extremism in
   Belgium are in the Vlaams Blok (VB) which has 10,000 member but whose
   political impact far exceeds its numbers. In the Belgian parliamentary
   elections in November 1991, the VB won 401,251 votes (6.7%) and gained
   5 seats in the Belgian Senate and 12 seats in the Lower Chamber. Most
   significant was the 25.5% it won in Antwerp, the captial of Belgium's
   Flemish region. The VB is now biggest single party in the city. The
   VB's politics consists of naked demands for the expulsion of
   foreigners under the slogan "Our own people first." The party also
   demands an amnesty for wartime Nazi collaborators.
   
   Part of the VB originates in the former Nazi Vlaamse Militante Orde
   (VMO) which was outlawed for terrorrism in the mid-1980s. Supporters
   of both the VB and VMO engage in violence against migrants and
   poilitical opponents. In French-speaking Belgium, several fascist and
   nazi groups are active: Agir, the Parti des Forces Nouvelles, The
   Front National and L'Assaut.
   
   Fascist organisations in the Netherlands are small. The most important
   are the Centrumdemocraten (CD) and the Centrumpartij 86 (CP'86). The
   CD has 1,200 members. CP'86 has 500 members. Like the CD, it stands
   for virulently racist policies. Opinion polls forecast 8% for nazis in
   1994's elections. In local elections in March 1994, these parties won
   more than a hundred seats.
   
   There are three hard-line nazi groups: Voorpost, which has been busy
   recruiting mercenaries to fight alongside other European neo-nazis in
   Croatia; Hou Kontakt, a nazi bonehead network and the Aktiefront
   Nationale Socialisten (ANS), led by oft-convicted Eite Homan. Dutch
   fascist are violent. Racist attacks doubled in 1992.
   
   
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EASTERN EUROPE

   The collapse of Stalinist dictatorship has brought fascism and
   nationalism in its wake across the entire former East Bloc. In the
   December 1993 elections to the Russian parliament, the fascist
   Liberal-Democrats, led by [17]Vladimir Zhirinovsky, won 23.4% of the
   vote. Zhirinovsky was close contact to the German nazi Deutsche
   Volksunion.
   
   In Russia, the fascist movement, sometimes called Pamyat, is not one
   party but more than 120 different groups, all violently anti-Jewish.
   The US nazi terrorist NSDAP-AO publishes two newspapers in Russian for
   groups like The Word of Russia. Fascist collaborate with former
   Communists in Red-Brown alliances at local level.
   
   Elsewhere in Eastern Europe, fascist and ultra-nationalists are
   active: the Polish National Party in Poland, Vatra Romanescu in
   Romania, the Republican Party in Czech Replublic, Hungarian Truth in
   Hungary. In the Baltic states in the Ukraine, illegal German nazi
   publications are printed and public gatherings have been organized by
   former members of the Waffen SS. In the Ukraine, the Union of Ukranian
   Officers and the Ukrainian Nationalist Associastion (50,000 members)
   have a big popular support.
   
   The Nazi skinhead phenomenom is also widespread, especially in Poland
   and Hungary, where massive violence has been committed against Roma
   people and against Jewish cemeteries. German nazis are frequent
   visitors to Russia and Hungary and have established connections with
   nazis in these countries.
   
   In former Yoguslavia, nazis from Croatia, France, Austria, Sweden,
   Germany, Britain and the Netherlands have fought in the Croatian HOS
   mercenary army and have admitted atrocities against both Serbs and
   Bosnian Moslems.
   
   
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FRANCE

   The biggest Right-extremist and racist group in France is the Front
   National (FN), headed by Euro-MP Jean Marie Le Pen, which claims
   75,000 members. In general elections in March 1993, it won 12.5% with
   3,159,477 votes. Though it lost its only parliamentary seath, the
   party has 673 local councillors, 239 regional representatives and ten
   members in the European Parliament. In addition it controls a radio
   station in Paris and has a national daily paper Present and two
   weeklies. FN has its own strong-arm squads and many party-activists
   have taken part in and been convicted for violence. The neo-nazi
   groups which hover around the fringes of the FN are openly violent.
   Two of these groups, the Faisceaux Nationalistes Europeen (PNFE)
   recently merged to form a single organisation with around 200 members
   and to become the French arm of the US-based nazi NSDAP-AO. Both
   organizations, have an alarming record of violence. The FNE has been
   involved in gun-running and the PNFE was responsible for a series of
   murderous racist bomb attacks in the south of France at the end of the
   1980s. Also actively engaged in terror are nazi boneheads. The
   Jeunesses Nationalistes Revolutionnaires (JNR) is notorious for
   violence against immigrants.
   
   
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GERMANY

   Nazi terror exploded across Germany after the annexation of former
   East Germany. Since 1990, there has been more than 13,000 nazi attacks
   including pogroms like in Hoyerswerda and Rostock, hundreds of
   asylum-seekers' homes burnt down, Jewish property desecrated,
   thousands injured and 75 people killed by facists.
   
   The nazi terror has been principally directed at refugees and
   asylum-seekers and at Roma people. But also singled out are the
   handicapped and the homeless and there is evidence of mounting
   antisemitism. In the first half of 1993, there were more antisemitic
   attacks - 372 - than in the five years before 1933 when Hitler was on
   the march to power.
   
   Nazi hate politics has some support from the population. For example,
   one week after the pogrom in Rostock, a poll by the authoritative
   Infas Institute found that 51% of Germans agreed with the slogan
   "Germany for Germans."
   
   In April 1992, the fascist 24,000-strong Republikaner Partei led by
   ex-Waffen SS man Franz Schonhuber won 538,000 votes in wealthy
   Baden-Wurttemberg. In March 1993, the Republikaner and their facist
   rivals of milionaire Gerhard Frey's 26,000-strong Deutche Volksunion
   won 273,000 votes in Hessen. Also active is the Deutche Liga fur Volk
   und Heimat.
   
   Facist activists number 66,000 in 82 different groups. State bans have
   been purely cosmetic to improve Germany's image abroad. Media
   suggestions that the violence is perpetrated by mainly unemployed,
   mainly skinheads and mainly in East Germany do not fit the facts: 80%
   of all nazi attacks occour in west Germany, fewer than 9% of those
   arrested for violence are skinheads, fewer than 8% are jobless
   (Source: Bundesamt fur Verfassungsschutz.)
   
   Nazi violence is centrally directed by organizations like the
   Gesinnungsgemeinscaft der Neue Front (GdNF), linked to the US nazi
   NSDAP-AO, Direkte Aktion and the [18]Freiheitliche Deutche
   Arbeiderpartei (FAP) as well as to nazi boneheads who number 6,500
   nationwide.
   
   
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GREAT BRITAIN

   Racist violence in Britain stood, according to figures issued by the
   police, at a total of 7,793 incidents in 1992. This figure is
   generally regarded as an underestimate.
   
   The criminal activities of the 2,000-strong British National Party
   (BNP) and the 1,500-strong nazi bonehead network Blood and Honour,
   have raised racial tensions and fear to boiling point with their
   "Rights for Whites" compaigns.
   
   The BNP's top leaders including John Tyndall, Richard Edmonds and
   Anthony Lecomber have convictions from crimes of violence and several
   BNP members are currently in prison for violent activity. The BNP has
   spawned Combat 18 - the British "anti-antifa" - led by convicted drug
   pusher Charlie Sargent.
   
   C18 thugs have been responsible for violent attacks on political
   opponents and on black people as well as acting as a protection squad
   for the antisemitic writer David Irving.
   
   The young are key targets for facist propaganda. The BNP has been
   behind the distribution of the antisemitic hate sheet Holocaust News
   to school students. Over 100,000 copies of this material have been
   circulated.
   
   The National Front is in rapid decline but former National Front and
   BNP members, using the vehicles of the Revolutionary Conservative
   Caucus and the European Book Society, are now infiltrating the
   Conservative Party.
   
   Though the BNP and NF whose combined vote in 1992 general election was
   10,800 votes are no serious electional threat under Britain's current
   voting system, they are a danger to community relations and public
   order. Senior police officers have described C18 as a "terrorist
   organization."
   
   
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ITALY

   Fascism is now a serious threat in Italy. In national elections held
   in March 1994, the fascist Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI) won more
   than 5 million votes. The MSI, with its roots in Mussolini's
   dictatorship, has an estimated 120,000 members and was responsible for
   a violent attack on trade union offices in Naples in 1993 and for a
   blockade of the Italian parliament. As a result of the latter
   incident, eleven MSI MPs and twenty members of its youth organisation
   Fronte della Gioventu were charged with "glorifying fascism" and
   "insulting parliament".
   
   Racism and racist violence are relatively new phenomena in postwar
   Italy. However, the past two years have seen a serious upsurge of ugly
   racist incidents in which Roma people, Jews and migrants from North
   Africa have been singled out for attack by nazi gangs. These gangs -
   some with close links to MSI - have a broad geographical spread and
   include Base Autonoma with about 1,000 members, Azione Skinhead in
   Lombardy, the Rome-based Movimento Politico and Veneto Fronte in
   Veneto, which claims to have 500 militants.
   
   Because of its support for a united Italian state, MSI has seen some
   of its support drift to Italy's other main extreme-Right wing force,
   the so-called Lega. The [19]Lega Nord, one component of the alliance,
   led by demagogue Umberto Bossi, won 8.4% of the national vote in March
   1994. It's platform is northern separatist and anti-immigrant.
   
   Italian nazi terrorists like the Armed Revolutionary Nuclei (ARN)
   worked closely with the secred services and carried out many bombings
   in the 1980s: worst incident was in August 1980 in Bologna when 86
   people were killed by a bomb planted by the nazi ARN.
   
   NOTE: MSI - has changed it name to [20]National Alliance in 1995. It
   also changed it politics into becoming a conservative/capitalist
   right-winged party. It has accepted democracy with its new liberalism,
   and it now claim to support the anti-fascists.
   
   
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SCANDINAVIA

   The nazi scene is biggest in Sweden with two arms: the electoral
   Sverige Demokraterna (SD) and the terrorist [21]Vitt Ariskt
   Motstand/Storm network. Sweden tolerate the existence of the [22]VAM
   terrorists who have murdered, robbed banks and attacked police
   stations and military depots to get weapons.
   
   [23]VAM has close ties to the German nazi GdNF, to the NSDAP-AO, to
   Norwegian Hvit Arisk Motstand, to the British nazi terrorist Combat
   18, to Blood and Honour and to Waffen SS veterans.
   
   Denmark is the playground for some of Europe's most ideologically
   committed nazis and racists. Three nazi factions are active:
   Nationalpartiet Danmark, Partiet De Nationale and Danmarks
   Nationalsocialistiske Bevgelse. The most vocal is Partiet de
   Nationale (PDN). PDN has close contacts with the now-banned
   Nationalistische Front in Germany.
   
   The DNSB is Denmark's most notorious nazi grouping. It is affiliated
   to the NSDAP-AO. F#drelandet the first Danish NSDAP-AO newspaper has
   now appeared from the NSDAP-AO, which circulates bomb-making
   instructions on computer diskette to its top cadres. In Copenhagen in
   March 1992, the anti-facist Henrik Christensen was killed by a parcel
   bomb.
   
   The DNSB cooperates with ex-SS man and convicted Holocaust Denier
   Thies Christophersen who, though still wanted by police in Germany,
   lives openly in Kollund in southern Denmark. A German nazi death list
   was posted out (November 1993) from a DNSB postbox.
   
   Norway has numerous small racist and nazi groups. Most well known is
   the Norge mot Invandringen (NMI) led by convicted bomber Arne Myrdal.
   Other groups of fascists include the Fedrelandspartiet, Zorn 88, the
   Boot Boys and Hvit Arisk Motstand (HAM). These groups are small and
   potentially violent. HAM is the Norwegian arm of the Swedish terrorist
   VAM. Norwegian fascists also produce publications like Norsk Blad and
   Ung Front but have little credibillity in international nazi circles.
   
   
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SPAIN

   Attempts by the Frente Nacional (FN) to follow the model of Front
   National in France have been a failure. In the most recent elections,
   the far-Right scored a pitful one per cent of the vote. The FN is the
   most important group with several thousand members and an experienced
   leadership in the persons of ex-Francoist Blas Pinar.
   
   Outside the FN, stands the openly nazi Circulo Espanol de Amigos de
   Europa (CEDADE) which pretends to be a cultural organization. Its
   leader Pedro Varela plays an important international role amongst
   fascists. CEDADE is a member of the international neo-nazi New
   European Order which was founded by, among others, the Belgian former
   Waffen SS general Leon Degrelle, a man who until his death in spring
   1994 was wanted for war crimes in Belgium. Degrelle, who was resident
   in Spain, is a hero figure for CEDADE and nazis world-wide. Openly
   nazi and Holocaust Denial publications like the Austrian magazines
   Sieg and Half are printed on CEDADE's presses in Barcelona along with
   the organization's own paper, the irregulary produced CEDADE, which
   has a print run of half a million.
   
   Nazi youth groups include Nation Joven, Juventud Nacional Socialistas,
   Juntas Espanolas and the most violent of them all, Accion Radicale,
   has been implicated in racist attacks and the murder in Valencia, in
   April 1993, of an anti-fascist skinhead.
   
   
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IDEOLOGY/ACTIVITY

   Nazis and fascist are ultra-nationalists who are hostile to democracy,
   to the rule of law and to fundamental human rights. They promote
   systematically ideas of hatred against those whose skin colour,
   culture, religion, appearance, sexuality, way of life or way of
   thinking is different.
   
   The entire nazi/fascist movement in Europe shares a common ideology of
   xenophobic, racist and antisemitic hatred based on bogus "race
   science". History, the nazis see as an epic mystical struggle between
   the white, "Aryan" race and the Jews, who it is claimed, stand behind
   a massive world conspiracy. For the nazis, the Jews are the source of
   all known evil. Communism and capitalism are Jewish, as is immigration
   which they belive to be a sinister plot engineered by the "Zionist
   Occupation Government" to weaken the white race.
   
   Fascist belive that hierarchy is the natural order and that any ideas
   of equality are dangerous. They are fiercely anti communist and
   anti-socialist and do not belive in the right to bote for all people,
   the rights of working people to organise or equal rights for woman.
   Under their rule, trades unions and other independent democratic
   organisations would be smashed and parliamentary institutions
   abolished. Nazis proclaim the need for an authoritarian state,
   preferebly led by a Hitler-type fuhrer. They admire individual
   heroism, strong leadership, sacrifice, descipline and courage - the
   supposedly "manly" qualities. Reason, they reject in favour of
   irrational appeals to the "national and racial Soul".
   
   HISTORICAL REVISIONISM denies nazi genocide in WWII, says that 6
   million Jews were not murdered and that nazi gas chambers never
   existed. Leading revisionists: David Irving, Ernst Zundel, Robert
   Faurisson, Ahmed Rami, Thies Christophersen, Gen. Otto-Ernst Remer.
   Main organisation: The Institute of Historical Review.
   
   THIRD POSITION fascists claim to represent a third way between
   capitalism and Communism. These are the "national revolutionaries".
   They emphasise the "socialism" in national socialism. Inspired by fake
   "left" nazis like Gregor and Otto Strasser and Hitler's SA
   stormtroopers. Main organizations: International Third Position,
   Nationalistische Front (Now banned), Accion Radical and, partly, Vitt
   Ariskt Motstand.
   
   PALIAMENTARY fascist use electoral tactics to try to gain mass
   support. Front National, Vlaams Blok, Deutsche Volksunion, Deutsche
   Lige fur Volk und Heimat, Replublikaner Partei, Movimento Sociale
   Italiano, Centrumsdemocraten, Freiheitliche Partei Osterichs, British
   National Party, Sverige Demokraterna and Fedrelandspartiet hold seats
   variously at European, national and local parliamentary level.
   
   NAZI YOUTH CULTURE is promoted via the international nazi skinhead
   music scene. The main organisation is the British nazi Blood and
   Honour which markets discs, CDs, T-shirts, badges, posters and other
   material on a worldwide scale. Bands like Skrewdriver, Dirlewanger, No
   remorse, Skullhead, Storkraft, Tonstorung, Radikahl, Vit Aggression
   and Ultima Thule promote poisonous racist, nazi or ultra-nationalist
   propaganda lyrics. Main record labls: Rock-o-Rama and Rebelles
   Europeens.
   
   
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INTERNATIONAL NETWORKS

   The nazis are organised in at least four international networks: the
   NSADAP-AO, the Euro-Ring, the New European Order (NEO) and the World
   Union of National Socialists (WUNS). The most important are the NEO -
   organised from Spain by CEDADE - and the US-based NSDAP-AO, run by
   Gary Lauck.
   
   The structures of NEO and NSDAP-AO overlap and both networks contain
   many of the same personnel. Members of these various networks were all
   present together at the illegal demonstraion by more than 500 nazis
   held in Fulda, Germany in August 1993, to commemorate the death of
   Rudolf Hess. Represented were German, Swedish, Austrian, Dutch,
   British, French and Danish nazis. The event was organised by the
   NSDAP-AO but Euro-Ring members also took part.
   
   Other top-level nazi meetings take place in August each year at the
   nazi fest in Dixmuide, Belgium and in Madrid on the anniversary of
   General Franco's death in November each year.
   
   The NSDAP-AO now produces material in eleven European langauages and
   has provided logistical support to small groups of nazis in Hungary
   and Russia.
   
   
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TERROR

   Bologna, August 1980: 86 die in nazi bomb attack on rail station.
   Munich, October 1980: 12 die in nazi bomb attack on beer festival.
   Paris, December 1980: 4 die in nazi on Rue Copernic synagogue. Vienna,
   December 1993: 4 seriously wounded by nazi letter bombs.
   
   What began in Bologna in August 1980 continues now in Vienna. The
   nazis present themselves as a pseudo-revolutionary challenge to the
   social order. In Germany, Britain, France, Belgium, the Netherlands,
   Sweden, Norway, Spain, Italy and Denmark, nazis have murdered or
   attempted to murder people in the past five years. In the same
   countries, nazis have been convited for possession of firearms and
   explosives. However, the trail of death has only just begun.
   
   Now they have launched the international anti-antifa which publishes
   the names, addresses, telephone numbers and personal details of
   anti-fascists and journalists to set them up for assassination.
   Mainsprings of the anti-antifa are the Gesinnungsgemeinschaft der Neue
   Front in Germany, Combat 18 in Britain, the Volkstreue
   Ausserparlementariche Opposition in Austria, Damarks
   Nationalsocialistiske Bev#gelse and Vitt Ariskt Motst#nd in Sweden.
   All these groups have links to the NSDAP-AO in the USA. Through this
   network the NSDAP-AO has distributed terrorist bomb-making manuals to
   its top leaders on computer diskettes. Other terrorist tips are
   circulated, especially in Germany, via computer mailboxes.
   
   In Germany, organized nazi terror actions have increased dramatically
   since 1989: 1989: 103 incidents. 1990: 128 incidents. 1991: 1483
   incidents. 1992: 2285 incidents. These cases involved a definite nazi
   background. (Source: Bundesamt fur Verfassungsschutz.)
   
   During the first nine months of 1993, the Federal Criminal Office
   investigated 18,619 cases of right-winged crime, more than the entire
   total for 1992. The 1993 crimes include 90 killings, 1,015 cases of
   serious assault and 288 firebombings. The investigations resulted in
   only 1,523 convictions. Since 3 October 1990, there have been 75
   documented cases of murder by nazis.
   
   In other countries, too, the recent years have seen a massive rise in
   both fascist activity and racist terror, threats which the authorities
   have generally done little to combat.
   
   
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   Hate Mail
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   On this page I have gathered all the hate-mail received from
   hatemongers around the world [that's USA]. If anyone know who are
   teaching these individuals their English, then please let me know. I
   really don't want that person in my vicinity.
   Warning: There's quite a bit of offensive language on this page, and
   if you're one with a "weak" stomach, I suggest you return to the
   [1]main page of Nazism Exposed.
   
   
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     * Message-Id:
       Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 02:57:39 0800
       From: [2]gdente@direct.ca (Gianni Dente)
       
       You fuck jew U can't be white, don't even mention MSI FASCISM will
       prevail seig heil jew.
       
       
       
     * Message-Id:
       Date: Thu, 01 Feb 96 19:18:05 -0800
       From: [3]henrik.almen@mailbox.swipnet.se (Henrik Almen)
       
       Fuck off you damn communsts im proud to be an aryan and a white
       man so you can take your sionist lies and stick them up in your
       ass!!! the holocaust is a sionist lie!!! and thats sad because it
       would have been much better i all jews were extincted from the
       earth. The white race is the master and we will kill all
       communists and jews so prepare for the RACEWAR!!!!! SIEG
       HEIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
       
       
       
     * Message-Id: <m0tl70x-0007XHC@gate.usaor.net>
       Date: Fri, 09 Feb 96 22:25:18 -800
       From: [4]tomdoody@usaor.net (Thomas Doody)
       
       Im a nazi so blow me. I am a goddamn fucking nazi so lick my four
       inch clit.
       
       
       
     * Message-Id:
       Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 23:35:11 EST
       From: [5]VZGH97A@prodigy.com (Karl Noever)
       
       You are full of shit because Hitler had to exterminate the jews
       because the jews were about ready to take over Germany and make it
       a communist country, and the jews would have slaughter every
       innocent aryan Germans for their money because you people are the
       most greadiest people on the face of this planet. Even Moses would
       have agreed with me. I am half German and half Persian. In
       otherwords, I am half Nazi and half Shitte Muslim, and we will
       someday kick your fucking ass.Prepare for a racial holy war.
       
       
       
     * Message-Id:
       Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:07:00 -0500
       From: [6]FrstLancer@aol.com (Ron Reinhard)
       
       i am a skinhead and i think that all fucking niggers and spics
       should be burned!! i hope that some nigger gives you a disease
       that rots your body away so you can go to hell with all the other
       auslanders!! ha ha!! Sieg Heil Herr Himmler, wer ist der
       Reichsfhrer!!
       
       
       
     * Message-Id:
       Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:06:25 -0500
       From: [7]Morigan571@aol.com
       
       you see there are niggers in the world and then there are black
       people in the world you see.....there is a rather large difference
       we no mind blacks jus when they act like "D" words about it
       likewise with spics and spanish ginnies italians gooks asians and
       rag heads and those people from the middle east so i suggest that
       you shut your pigheaded mouth before you start a big deal over
       this......the "n" words act like a big deal bout it cuz they are a
       "minority" we even actully belive it or not dont like sum whites
       we dont not like them fer the sheer fact that they have a
       different skin color sorry if this doesnt make much sense but its
       pretty late (1:52am) and i usually cant get my point across thet
       good on typing soory if i offended you in any way -me best regards
       to you and your master by--by t.t.f.n.- -ta- -ta- -fer- -now
       
       
       
     * Message-Id:
       Date: Tue, 19 Mar 96 00:08:57 0500
       From: [8]hans@aol.com (Hans Goebbels)
       Organization: Valparaiso University
       
       ANTI FASCIST GROUPS CAN GO FUCK AN APE YOU QUEER LOVING NIGGER
       JEWS.
       
       
       
     * Message-Id:
       Date: Mon, 18 Mar 96 22:23:16 -0800
       From: [9]xxxxxxxx@xxx.xxx (KnightHawk)
       
       All you can do to try and stop the Aryan movement is post the
       truth, which in your words, "HATE MAIL".... That will not, and is
       not stopping us.. SEIG HEIL!!
       
       
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       To which I responded:"I really don't think I care - unless you
       have something intelligent to say.."
       Awhile later I got the response:
       
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       know.. This is getting real boring, having all these assholes
       write me, and try and cuss me out.. Most of the faggots are TOO
       FUCKING CHICKEN SHIT TO LEAVE THEIR E-MAIL ADDRESS!! HAHAHA LOSER!
       Oh, and BTW, I'm having my e-mail address changed... So You can go
       ahead and remove that message(Personnaly, If I were you I
       wouldn't) But I would appreciate it if you would, but It dosen't
       matter... So, and One more thing.. "Nazism Exposed".. What kind of
       frog shit is this? This channel is the dumbest thing I've ever
       seen!! HA! ALl you do is write a bunch of bullshit about them, If
       your white, Your nothing but a fucking race trator that has
       nothing better to do!! Can't belive anyone would let you have that
       trash on the net... Geez... Well later..
       
       WHITE POWER! & SEIG HEIL!!
       
       
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       After answering his questions the best I could, I got this one
       back:
       
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       what I can't understand is why you don't post peoples mail address
       like Brnsugar.. That fucking qeer can't tell his dick from his
       pinky.. Geuss there just fucking chicken shit too!! The reason
       I've changed my e-mail address is because I knew what I was
       getting into when I wrote my first message to your nigger loving
       ass! The reason I did it.. Because I want'ed the e-mail address of
       these stupid fuckers who like to think things are perfect between
       the racises.. Well it's not.. Most of the niggers I've came in
       contact with(didn't do anything.. Just sitting in desk) This
       nigger comes up and starts hitting me in the back of the head.. I
       tell him to knock it off, before I knock him OUT! What does he do.
       Continues.. What do I do? I KNOCK THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF HIM!!!
       So, You ought to just fucking get rid of my messages, because
       there a waste of time... CAn't belive your messages.. I bet the
       reason you don't want to remove it is because you don't get any
       hate mail.. Probably just messages from fag vil and Nigger town!
       Well, I'll let your race traitor ass get back to fucking that
       nigger in the ass! HATEFULLY YOURS!!
       
       SIEG HEIL!!
       
       AND THE SOUTH WILL DO IT AGAIN!!
       
       
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       Then, after awhile.
       
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       On the more serious side.. Please, Please remove my name, and put
       KnightHawk on the qoutes... Name something I could do to get you
       to do this.... I've had enough of this.. Seriously, I've learned
       to live with the blacks.. As a madder of fact I've mad a couple of
       colored friends.. But PLEASE get rid of this stuff... I don't how
       to say it any better, but PLEASE remove the stuff... Thank You.
       
       
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       I asked the guy "Why should I?." I got the following answer.
       
         _____________________________________________________________
       
       
       Why? Well, Cause I was a stupid idiot replying to your page.. You
       see, I'm a teen, and I don't what I think... Trying to get my
       thougths together.. A month ago, I wouldn't talk to a black.. Now
       I have several friends that aren't white.. I'm begging to think
       that this racial stuff is a complet waste of time.. I can't find
       anyone where I live that has racist thoughts.. I'm just basically
       confunsed with thoughts of hate and confusion.. I never really had
       hateful thoughts to a black.. But had hateful thoughts to blacks,
       whites, mexicans, ect. who treat me like crap. Basically I'm
       getting tired of people sending me "I'm gonna kick your ass "
       mail... But I'm thinking, my life will NEVER go anyone in this
       path... I was reborn again a few months ago(became a christian),
       and I really don't think god would like this kind of attitude..
       I'm just confused as hell.. I think I'm on the right track at the
       moment.. You taking my name and e-mail address off would greatly
       help me.. I'm not trying to B.S. you.. BTW, never got me e-mail
       changed.. I'm not sure where my life is going.. But taking my
       e-mail and name off, would sure help me not to hate as much... You
       never see programs on T.V. about racist's being right, Now I know
       why.. I would greatly appreciate it if you could help me out..
       Thank YOU and God Bless!
       
       
         _____________________________________________________________
       
       I decided to give the guy a chance, but warned him that I would
       keep track of his movements on the Internet.
       
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     * Message-Id: >
       Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:45:37 -0700
       From: [10]Samadhi@clam.rutgers.edu (Samadhi)
       
       We will not let you destroy the world and promote your New World
       Order you are the real fascists, censorers and liars
       
       Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:46:22 -0700
       
       You should be ashamed of yourslef promoting planet of the apes
       
       
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       Then someone taught B1FF's brother to send anonymous email.
       
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     * Message-Id:
       Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 12:51:04 -0400
       From: [11]nobody@mit.edu (Anonymous User)
       
       YOU FUCKING JEWISH WANKER, YOUR EFFORTS WON'T STOP THE MOVEMENT.
       OUR VICTORY IS INEVITABLE.
       
       NATIONAL SOCIALISM IS YOUR FUTURE.
       
       
       
     * Message-Id:
       Date: Sat, 20 Apr 1996 10:36:03
       From: [12]jeff@gnn.com (Jeff Gregory)
       
       
       Hey you nigger loving mother fucking pussy ass jew bastards why
       don't you get a fucken Bible and read these fucken passages you
       assholes (LUKE 22:36) and (DEUTORONOMY 7). Ther are a bunch of
       fucken other passages in there that are true I don't remember
       those passages but there is a story of the guy who killed the
       fucken nigger and that white who where fucking and the city of
       saddam was destroyed because those fucken assholes in the city
       where faggots, and on the fucken passages I read on LUKE 22 Jesus
       sais that if you don't have a sword which is equivilent to a gun
       now'r days and DEUTORONOMY 7 it tell that if and of the races mix
       that we shall destroy there images burn there crops and utterly
       destroy them, so take your fucken NEW WORLD ORDER your LIBERALISIM
       your HUMANISTISM (your religeon thinking you worshiping god but
       your really being tricked) your YOUR SO CALLED SO CALLED "Love
       Sees No Color" shit and shove it up back your damn assholes you
       fucken jew ass fucken nigger lovin shits the jews are the sons of
       satan and the other fucken Sheep that are controlled by your
       bullshit governments you jew ass dummies you damn fuckers you
       think your worshiping god but your really worshiping satan you
       better be ready for a RACIAL HOLY WAR! HAIL THE LORD!!! HEIL
       HITLER!!! SIEG HEIL!!!
       
       
       
     * Message-Id:
       Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:25:42 -0400
       From: [13]jeff@gnn.com ()
       Net.copped: [14]Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 10:06:49 -0400
       
       FUCK YOU, YOU FORGOT MY DICK IN YOUR MOUNTH! BITCH!
       
       
       
     * Message-Id:
       Date: Sat, 27 Apr 96 01:35:17 -0700
       From: [15]Anonymous at Bloomington (Anonymous)
       
       All niggers sould be put on a very small island, and then the Navy
       should come in and blow the FUCKING hell out of the island. I wish
       all niggers to get the hell kick out of them, by a white faggot.
       Then while the nigger is down, the faggot will get him in the ASS.
      
   
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   Nazism, fascism and extreme nationalism are today at the highest peak
   since the destruction of Hitler's dictatorship in 1945. Today, all
   over the world, fascists and extreme nationalists win millions of
   votes on their simple racist solutions to the very complex problems of
   the society. In the streets, Nazi boneheads are spreading fear by
   using murderous violence and terror. These fascist groups blame the
   cultural and ethnic minorities for the problems in our society. These
   individuals, and their political leaders, are a threat to our
   democracy, and to everything that is decent.
   
   
   This page was created to spread information about the activity of
   Nazi, fascists and extreme nationalists in Europe and on the Internet.
   It was created because it is my belief that these groups would only
   grow in number if they are left for themselves. We can no longer hide
   our head in the sand and pretend that they don't exist, and we can not
   accept that people are being murdered because their skin colour,
   culture, religion, apperance, sexuality, way of life or way of
   thinking are different. These extremist groups must be stopped!
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     * [4]About this page
       A little background information on why I made this page. You will
       also find the Disclaimers here, and some links to a couple of
       Skinhead pages aswell.
     * [5]Nazism and Extreme Nationalism in Europe
       The text on this page was taken from a poster made by Searchlight
       and Humanist in 1994. It is the result of an exhaustive
       investigation of the groups and the environment around them.
       Generally gathered from people who put their life at stakes by
       infiltrated them, posing as right-activists.
     * [6]Hate Mail
       Many people have written email to me, supporting this project, but
       there has also been some rather nasty letters sent to me. On this
       page you will find a nice collection of the worst ones.
     * [7]Links to Extreme-Nationalists on the Net
     * [8]Nazi Symbols and Flags
       Graphics of flags and symbols used by the Nazis.
     * [9]News
     * [10]Organizations in Europe
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Gee, you mean there's even more?!???????


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 16:06:23 PDT 1996
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So?  Haven't we already sucked yours with your hundreds of the exact same 
posts?!??????????


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 16:06:24 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Roger Healy)
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In  arcline@phoenix.princeton.edu (Austin Cline) writes:

! In article <4u9laf$1a7q@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "M.D.Warren" 
! wrote:
! 
! >America has never been conquered by another nation????????????.
! >errr....what exactly did the europeans do then , when they first arrived 
! >in North America?.......lived in perfect peace with the Natives?.
! 
! 1. "America," at the time, was not itself a "nation" which could be
! conquered, but an area containing a number of tribes which themselves were
! conquered. 

Whites created the American nation.

! 2. "Europeans" were not themselves a "nation" which did conquering, but a
! number of immigrant groups which moved in and took over - somtimes with
! the active help of various nations back home, sometimes not. 

The Gentlemen of American Nativity were NOT conquered by the whites.  The 
whites did a lot of laying back and developing the budding nationalism,
while the Gens de Colour were bashing genociding each other as divisions 
into thousands of different coloured nations.

So they were conquered, by attrition and violence.  Their story has a 
Aesopian moral for whites, never abondon race as a signatory to human 
quality.

! Thus, it is perfectly correct to say that "America has never been
! conquered by another nation" because all of the conquering that was done
! here was not done to an American nation and was not done by an outside
! nation.

Wrong.  What is happening to whites today is akin to what happened to the 
American Native Gens De Colour, the perishing divisions of race, class, 
religion and the nation, a rough scale of our political spectrum from 
genius to inanity respectively, not that nationalism is bad, just the 
idiotic nationalism of the mainstrem in all countries with majority white 
poplations.

! Austin Cline; German Department; Princeton University 
! --- The universe may have a purpose, but nothing we know suggests that, if so,
!     this purpose has any similarity to ours." 
! 
!                - Bertrand Russell


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Rush Graves  whimpers:

Careful, this clod is thouroughly disreputable.  He even says things he 
knows are not true.

The evidence:

http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/
http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.c2.net/~rich/
http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://cypherpunks.sg/
http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/qu/qut/RESULTS:\ rec.music.white-power 

GravesWatch:
School of Rush Graves revisionism
Certified OC

--Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may  be in silence.  As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms  with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant;  they, too, have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit. If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass. Take kindl


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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! hebe@algonet.se writes:
! 
! # I don't know if my english is the best but, I ask all
! # revisionists a question: how do you pinheads dismiss texts
! # like this, when you're denying the Holocaust? The Holocaust
! # happened!
! 
! They know that. And they want it to happen again.

The J$ws were exterminated.  What a shame.  How the world suffers
that there are no longer any J$ws.

! -Danny Keren.
! 
! 
! -- 
! In Message-ID: <4n0ik8$1a8@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, Matt Giwer
! suggested that documents about a "gas chamber" and "gassing cellar"
! in the Birkenau crematoriums didn't count, as they were really due
! to "a morbid sense of humor" of the SS men who authored the documents.


--Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may  be in silence.  As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms  with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant;  they, too, have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit. If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass. Take kindl


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In <4uj1qq$i7i@Networking.Stanford.EDU> llurch@stanford.com (Rush Graves) writes:

! Does this mean that Greg Raven might finally deign to link to Nizkor, as
! Nizkor links to his web site?
! 
! Oh, sorry, I guess he's just dumping his web pages again. So much for
! hearing both sides. 

Why 


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In <4v7no8$2nq@unlisys.unlisys.net> sanio@berlin.snafu.de (Erhard Sanio) writes:

! In article , Roger Healy  wrote:
! 
! [ .. nothing worthwhile to mention whatsoever .. ]
! 
! Dear Sir,
! 
! Beneath some obstacles stemming from my education I mainly 
! abstain from recommending to you the ingestion of faeces
! (and subsequent finite state change  of your biological 
!  condition) because I feel such a recommendation might meet
! cannibalism taboos in your case.

Were you aware that most American meat is sheisse covered?

! But you would do me and others an infinite favor if you could care
! to retreat into your (white aryan) trashcan and to stop harassing
! of alt.censorship, soc.culture.german and some of the other newsgroups 
! I am used to read. 
! 
! regards, es
! 


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 17:55:44 PDT 1996
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In <4uup8i$7is@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:24:37 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
! 
! >In article <161416Z12081996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
! 
! >> Jews control the National Security Agency, and the Central Intelligence 
! >> Agency.  Noam Chomsky is correct in his judgements of the government and 
! >> economics, except for his "forgetting" that Jews control everything.
! >> John Loftus is correct in his judgements of the intelligence agencies, 
! >> except the enemy is Jews not Anti-Semites.
! 
! >You know, my father is a psychiatrist, Mr. Anon, and they have a name for
! >people like you:
! > 
! >Delusional Paranoiacs.
! > 
! >You might consider upping your medication, or adjusting the collander and
! >tin foil on your head.
! 
! 	Their is a name for psychiatrists.  That name is quacks.  Not one
! recorded cured by psychotherapy.  Only by drugs and brain damage from
! electrical and chemical trauma.  
! 
! 	No cures and still battling the Scientologists at their own level.  

Freud got his start sniffing coke.  If he were around today, he'd be 
all into smoking crack.  I don't recommend it, but it's better than 
Scientology.  Cheaper too.  I wonder if Tom Marcellus takes hits.

! 	But of course if you wish to claim otherwise, post the evidence.  


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Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism.  Consult the television listings for your loca

l schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be.  And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter.

Racism is your best protection against crime.

Strive to be independently wealthy.


          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


                     +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                      +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
             +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 18:03:44 PDT 1996
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In <4uup8i$7is@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:24:37 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
! 
! >In article <161416Z12081996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
! 
! >> Jews control the National Security Agency, and the Central Intelligence 
! >> Agency.  Noam Chomsky is correct in his judgements of the government and 
! >> economics, except for his "forgetting" that Jews control everything.
! >> John Loftus is correct in his judgements of the intelligence agencies, 
! >> except the enemy is Jews not Anti-Semites.
! 
! >You know, my father is a psychiatrist, Mr. Anon, and they have a name for
! >people like you:
! > 
! >Delusional Paranoiacs.
! > 
! >You might consider upping your medication, or adjusting the collander and
! >tin foil on your head.
! 
! 	Their is a name for psychiatrists.  That name is quacks.  Not one
! recorded cured by psychotherapy.  Only by drugs and brain damage from
! electrical and chemical trauma.  
! 
! 	No cures and still battling the Scientologists at their own level.  

Freud got his start sniffing coke.  If he were around today, he'd be 
all into smoking crack.  I don't recommend it, but it's better than 
Scientology.  Cheaper too.  I wonder if Tom Marcellus takes hits.

! 	But of course if you wish to claim otherwise, post the evidence.  


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism.  Consult the television listings for your loca

l schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be.  And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter.

Racism is your best protection against crime.

Strive to be independently wealthy.


          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


                     +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                      +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
             +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 18:08:35 PDT 1996
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In <4v93un$7m6@otis.netspace.net.au> nguyen@netspace.net.au (Jim Nguyen) writes:


! 
! I got another pre-pubescent ankle-biting white-supremacist on my hands 
! again. This sad little man thinks he's a superhot hacker by manually 
! mailing me dozens of repeatative messages. The silly boy did it with a 

Yellow Liar.

! legit address too therefore every message will be forwarded to netcom's 
! administrators personal addresses as well as the usual root@bla.bla. Oh 
! roger! You'll be bothering more than just me littleman.
! 
! Roger, roger, roger...you will get a life won't you?
! 
! -
! j.n.    http://netspace.net.au/~nguyen/
! 

--
Love, Qut


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 18:10:55 PDT 1996
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In <4uup8i$7is@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) writes:

! On Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:24:37 -0400, schwartz@infinet.com wrote:
! 
! >In article <161416Z12081996@anon.penet.fi>, an572010@anon.penet.fi wrote:
! 
! >> Jews control the National Security Agency, and the Central Intelligence 
! >> Agency.  Noam Chomsky is correct in his judgements of the government and 
! >> economics, except for his "forgetting" that Jews control everything.
! >> John Loftus is correct in his judgements of the intelligence agencies, 
! >> except the enemy is Jews not Anti-Semites.
! 
! >You know, my father is a psychiatrist, Mr. Anon, and they have a name for
! >people like you:
! > 
! >Delusional Paranoiacs.
! > 
! >You might consider upping your medication, or adjusting the collander and
! >tin foil on your head.
! 
! 	Their is a name for psychiatrists.  That name is quacks.  Not one
! recorded cured by psychotherapy.  Only by drugs and brain damage from
! electrical and chemical trauma.  
! 
! 	No cures and still battling the Scientologists at their own level.  

Freud got his start sniffing coke.  If he were around today, he'd be 
all into smoking crack.  I don't recommend it, but it's better than 
Scientology.  Cheaper too.  I wonder if Tom Marcellus takes hits.

! 	But of course if you wish to claim otherwise, post the evidence.  


--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism.  Consult the television listings for your loca

l schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be.  And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter.

Racism is your best protection against crime.

Strive to be independently wealthy.


          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


                     +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                      +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
             +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 18:15:48 PDT 1996
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fight-censorship-digest       Friday, 16 August 1996       Volume 01 : Number 186

In this issue:

	Full Text of ACLU Letter to Princeton re: Computer Use Policy
	"Huskers" and University of Nebraska policies
	More on G-7 and bomb-making info online: a Canadian perspective
	Phyllis Schlafly on Clinton's Big Brother boondoggles
	London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban
	Re: London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban
	British Obscenity and ISPs
	BOUNCE fight-censorship-announce: Approval required
	Scientology begins PGP crack attempt
	Stockholm children's conf slams Net kiddie-porn, remailers

See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the
fight-censorship or fight-censorship-digest mailing lists.

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From: beeson@usa.pipeline.com (Ann Beeson)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:29:11 GMT
Subject: Full Text of ACLU Letter to Princeton re: Computer Use Policy

AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION 
NATIONAL LEGAL DEPARTMENT 
132 West 43rd Street 
New York, New York 10036 
- ------------------------------ 
 
August 15, 1996 
 
Mr. Harold Shapiro 
President                 BY FACSIMILE, E-MAIL, & REGULAR MAIL 
1 Nassau Hall 
Princeton University 
Princeton NJ 85044 
 
RE: Computer Use Policy 
 
Dear President Shapiro: 
 
In response to complaints we have received from members of the Princeton
University community, we write on behalf of the American Civil Liberties
Union (ACLU) and the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey (ACLU-NJ)
to urge you to reconsider the policy prohibiting members of the University
>from  using the Princeton's computer network for "political purposes."  We
believe that the policy is based on a misunderstanding of the law regarding
the University's tax-exempt status, and restricts free speech and academic
freedom rights guaranteed by Art. I, par. 6 of the New Jersey Constitution.

 
Princeton University's decision to offer its faculty, staff and students
widespread access to the University's computer network and the Internet
greatly expanded the resources available for academic research.  It also
provided a new and exciting forum for the free communication of ideas.  In
contrast, Princeton's decision to prohibit the use of the network for
"political purposes" unjustifiably interferes with the right of the
University community to exchange ideas freely, regardless of their content.

 
Princeton's current computer use policy holds that "the Computing and
network resources of the University may not be used by members of the
University community for commercial or political purposes or for financial
gain . . . ."  Trustees of Princeton University, Rights, Rules,
Responsibilities 11 (1993) (emphasis added) (hereinafter "Rights," attached
as Appendix A).  On July 19, 1996, the Office of the General Counsel sent
an e-mail to members of the University community warning them that any use
of the Internet or computer network for "any participation in, or
intervention in, (including the publishing or distributing of statements),
any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for
public office" would result in disciplinary action.  See Office of the
General Counsel, "Internet use and Politics," E-mail of July 19, 1996,
attached as Appendix B. 
 
We understand that the rationale behind the computer use policy is a
concern that the University will lose its tax-exempt status, under Internal
Revenue Code 501(c)(3), if it allows members of the University community to
use the computer network for political purposes.  We believe that this
concern is misplaced, based on the policies and rulings of the Internal
Revenue Service. 
 
Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3) provides that an educational organization
will be tax-exempt as long as it "does not participate in, or intervene in
(including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political
campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public
office."  The Internal Revenue Service has clarified that in order to
constitute participation or intervention in a political campaign, the
political activity must be that of the University itself and not the
individual activity of its faculty, staff, or students.  See Internal
Revenue Service, Exempt Organizations Technical Institution Program for
1993 426-27 (1993), attached as Appendix C.  Thus, any personal
communication by University members over the computer network cannot
threaten Princeton's tax-exempt status. 
 
The fact that Princeton provides the computing facilities over which the
communication takes place does not change this conclusion.  The Internal
Revenue Service has stated that a principal factor in determining whether
the provision of university facilities to a group engaged in political
activities will constitute participation in a political campaign by the
university under Internal Revenue Code  501(c)(3), is whether the
facilities are provided on an equal basis to groups using them for
non-political reasons.  Id. at 427.  Princeton provides fair and equal
access to the computer network, including e-mail and World Wide Web access,
to all University members, and allows use of the network for a variety of
non-political purposes.  See Rights at 11.  Thus, political speech over the
network will not jeopardize Princeton's tax-exempt status. 
 
Even use of the computer network for political purposes in connection with
a particular course would not jeopardize Princeton's 501(c)(3) status.  The
Internal Revenue Service has previously held that a university that
required its students in a certain political science course to participate
in a political campaign of the student's choice for 60 to 80 hours during
the semester was not participating in political campaigns within the
meaning of Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3).  See Revenue Ruling 75-512,
1972-2 C.B. 246, attached as Appendix D. 
 
In addition, student organizations are able to publish political views on
the computer network without threatening Princeton's tax-exempt status. 
The Internal Revenue Service has held that a university was not
participating in a political campaign within the meaning of Internal
Revenue Code 501(c)(3), when statements made in support of political
candidates appeared on the editorial page of a student newspaper.  This was
true despite the university's provision of financial support and facilities
to the newspaper, as long as the views expressed in the newspaper were
clearly those of the students and not of the university itself.  See
Revenue Ruling 75-513, 1972-2 C.B. 246, attached as Appendix E. 
 
Accordingly, Princeton University does not risk its tax-exempt status by
allowing University members to use its computer network for political
purposes.  We recognize that Princeton has a legitimate interest in
ensuring that the individual views of its members not be mistaken for
official positions of the University.  At most, the only permissible
regulation that Princeton might desire is one requiring a member of the
University community, who uses Princeton's name in a way that could lead a
reasonable person to interpret the author's statement as an official
position of the University, to include a disclaimer clarifying that the
opinions expressed over the computer network are those of the author alone.
 Compare Rights, "Guidelines Relating to the Tax-Exempt Status of the
University and Political Activities," at Section 3. 
 
Because there exists no legitimate reason for Princeton's blanket
prohibition of political speech over the computer network, it is an
unjustified, content-based restriction on the free expression rights of
students, faculty and staff.  Therefore, the policy is not only unworthy of
a great University like Princeton, it is in violation of Art. I, par. 6 of
the New Jersey Constitution. 
 
Although Princeton University is not a state university, the New Jersey
Supreme Court has held the Princeton University campus to have been
sufficiently devoted to expressive uses so as to require the University to
honor the State constitutional guarantee of free expression.  See State v.
Schmid, 84 N.J. 535, 564-65 (1980); see also New Jersey Coalition Against
the War in the Middle East v. J.M.B. Realty Corp., 138 N.J. 326 (1994)
(holding that regional shopping malls were sufficiently open to expressive
use so as to extend state constitutional right to leaflet).  Princeton's
computer facilities are as much a part of the Princeton "campus" as are the
lawns and buildings.  Princeton may not constitutionally restrict its
students, faculty, and staff from engaging in political speech over the
Internet any more than it could prohibit them from engaging in such speech
in the dorm rooms, classrooms, halls, lawns, and offices of the campus. 
 
Political expression has always received the highest degree of
constitutional protection.  See Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 14 (1976). 
The Constitution was written with the intention to protect from censorship
those who wish to express their political beliefs and their support for
political candidates.  Indeed, "where political speech is involved, our
tradition insists that government `allow the widest room for discussion,
the narrowest range for restriction.'"  State v. Miller, 83 N.J. 402, 412
(1980).  As a school with a well-deserved reputation as a leader in
American higher education, Princeton should be the first to promote and
defend academic freedom and freedom of expression within its community, to
the very limits of the law. 
 
The computer use policy, read literally, also infringes upon the free
speech rights of Princeton faculty, staff, and students to receive
information.  Lamont v. Postmaster General, 381 U.S. 301, 307 (1965) (right
to receive information precludes government from labeling certain
publications "propaganda") (Brennan, J., concurring); Griswold v.
Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479-482-83 (1965) ("right of freedom of speech . . .
includes not only the right to utter or print, but the right to . . .
receive, the right to read . . . and freedom of inquiry, freedom of
thought, and freedom to teach . . . .  Without these peripheral rights the
specific rights would be less secure."); Kreimer v. Bur. of Police for Town
of Morristown, 958 F.2d 1242, 1350-55 (3d Cir. 1992) (listing cases).  This
is because the University's computer facilities, although located on the
Princeton campus, are a gateway to a virtual, worldwide community.  See
ACLU v. Reno, 1996 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 7919 (E.D. Pa., June 11, 1996).  They
provide a unique means for students, faculty, and staff to access
information on virtually any topic, including politics. 
 
Finally, the computer use policy is in conflict with other University
policies and practices.  Princeton recognizes that 
 
     "the central purposes of a University are the pursuit of truth, the
discovery of new knowledge through scholarship and research, the teaching
and general development of students, and the transmission of knowledge and
learning to society at large.  Free inquiry and free expression within the
academic community are indispensable to the achievement of these goals. 
The freedom to teach and to learn depends upon the creation of appropriate
conditions and opportunities on the campus as a whole as well as in
classrooms and lecture halls." 
 
Rights, Introduction to "Principles of General Conduct and Regulations." 
With respect to political speech, the University also recognizes that it
has a fundamental responsibility to ensure 
 
    "the opportunity for all members of the University community to
exercise their prerogatives as citizens. . . .  Encouragement of an
interest in public affairs and the furthering of a sense of social
responsibility have long been considered important elements of a liberal
education.  The University continues to consider self-chosen participation
in political and social action by individuals and groups to be a valuable
part of the educational experience it seeks to encourage.  Such activities
on the part of individuals or groups do not, and should not be taken to,
imply commitment of the University to any partisan political position or
point of view." 
 
Rights, Introduction to "Guidelines Relating to Tax Exempt Status." 
 
For all of the above reasons, we strongly urge you to repeal the existing
ban on use of the computer network for political purposes, and we look
forward to your early reply. 
 
Sincerely, 
 
Ann Beeson, Staff Attorney 
American Civil Liberties Union 
National Legal Department 
132 West 43rd Street 
New York, New York 10036 
(212) 944-9800 x788 
 
David Rocah, Staff Attorney 
American Civil Liberties Union 
  of New Jersey 
2 Washington Place 
Newark, NJ  07102 
(201) 642-2086 
 
 
cc:    Office of General Counsel

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From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:58:04 -0500
Subject: "Huskers" and University of Nebraska policies

The University of Nebraska is threatening web pages that have the word
"Husker" in their title, according to the message attached below. Guess
they'll have to go after these sites too:

       Husker Power web site
       Asger Schnack: Jeg Husker Alt
       (AP) Husker QB Brook Berringer killed in plane crash near NU campus
       Husker Du
       Penstemon 'Husker Red' is 1996 Perennial Plant of the Year
       Husker midwestern home design
       Joel's Husker Page

I've set up a web page at http://www.well.com/~declan/huskers.html and
registered the URL with AltaVista and HotBot. It's called: "Husker web
pages, the University of Nebraska, and braindead policies."

I wonder what the university will do, if anything? This message is copied
to some University of Nebraska administrators and faculty members.
Redistribute freely.

- -Declan

[You may subscribe to fight-censorship by sending "subscribe" to
fight-censorship-request@vorlon.mit.edu]

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Husker Web Pages Must Cease

To: huskers@pumpkin.tssi.com
Subject: Husker Web Pages Must Cease
From: mfricke@serv01.net-link.net (Mark E. Fricke)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:59:55 -0400

I hate to be the bearer of real bad news, but if you have a personal
web site on the internet that features any logos, graphics, audio or
even the page name of Cornhusker or Husker (like the Husker Press Box)
be prepared to get a Cease and desist letter from the University of
Nebraska's attorney's. The problem is simple. A lot of money has been
paid to license the name and logo's of the Huskers and there are many
business interests to protect. Pinnacle Broadcasting is the exclusive
rights holder for internet usage of the name and logos (and you thought
the live broadcasts were all good).

Now..there are a couple of things we can do. #1 remove all references
to Huskers, Big Red, Cornhuskers etc. from THE PAGES TITLE. You can
still talk about, mention, berate or praise the team within the page,
just not in the page title. The reason here is that the University
wants all search engines (yahoo, excite, infoseek etc.) to send
searches for the Huskers to their site (huskerwebcast)

#2 remove all licensed logo's, pictures of Herbie audio of the band
etc. from your site.

#3 There is one more solution. Huskerwebcast will allow pages to exist
as they are if they are housed within THEIR page. Wether that mean they
will have hyperlinks to these hidden pages or if you will actually have
to set up an account and an FTP site to their server I'm not clear on.
I'm awaiting confirmation on this.

Okay, now my personal views. Yeah it's a bummer...a great big bummer. I
really don't see how private personal pages could possibly infringe on
the marketing dollars of the University (except for logos, you got me
there) But PAGE NAMES?!?!. They seem a little greedy fo rthe traffic.
I'm no lawyer (maybe some of you out there are and know something about
public domain)so I will do what I must with the Husker Press Box.  I
will still provide the page in some manner, either changing the name or
joining the University page. Luckily I have already been extended an
offer to do that. I will wait and see. My advise to other Husker wep
page masters. Be ready for a letter and be ready to reacte. this is a
big University with lots of money and lots of attorney's

Mark Fricke




------------------------------

From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:04:10 -0500
Subject: More on G-7 and bomb-making info online: a Canadian perspective

http://www.now.com/issues/current/News/tech.html

Bomb info OK in books but G-7 wants it off Net

By COLMAN JONES

While the fury over child porn on the net appears to be losing steam
after the defeat of the Communications Decency Act in June, there's a a
growing new cyber-backlash against terrorists.  

At a meeting in Paris last month, just before the downing of TWA flight
800 and the bombing in Atlanta, Group of Seven (G7) foreign ministers
and security ministers struck an agreement to target terrorists using
the internet.  

The pact calls for international controls on the net to cut off access
to sites containing "dangerous" information, restrict electronic speech
by unpopular political organizations and allow governments to decode
privately encrypted communications.

The Paris meeting ended with a commitment to have reports ready by the
end of the year on ways of instituting such restrictions.

[...]

Bomb info

Many press accounts fume about bomb-making information available
online, without mentioning that the "offensive'' material being
targeted is no different from identical material easily obtained in
public libraries, college libraries and bookstores. A case in point is
the World's Biggest Bookstore, which stocks the Anarchist Cookbook, a
virtual how-to guide to subversive activity, also available online.  

Canada's foreign affairs minister, Lloyd Axworthy, who helped to draw
up the Paris agreement, cited the fact that his his 11-year-old son
showed him how to access extremist literature from the World Wide Web.
Axworthy's spokesperson, Catherine Lappe, says the pact is "not an
issue of trying to censor people" .  

"If you look at the communique, it says very clearly that all this
would have to be in compliance with national laws, so the issues of
privacy would be of utmost importance.''

[...]




------------------------------

From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:04:00 -0500
Subject: Phyllis Schlafly on Clinton's Big Brother boondoggles

A longtime anti-porn crusader, Phyllis Schlafly generally is no friend of
free speech -- but I welcome her insightful and timely comments, attached
below. Privacy does cut through ideological lines. I seem to recall that
the Christian Coalition, a fiery supporter of the CDA, opposed the Clipper
Chip.

- -Declan

- ---

                    Clinton Is Trying to be Big Brother


     August 8, 1996                             by Phyllis Schlafly

     We hope the appropriate government agencies will soon solve the
     recent terrorist crimes and punish the criminals. But all
     Americans who care about civil liberties should vigorously resist
     President Clinton's attempt to use the terrorist attacks as an
     excuse to carry on his all-out war against the personal privacy of
     law-abiding Americans.

     This mind-set was first revealed in the Clinton health care bill,
     which would have given the government computer access to the
     medical records of all Americans. Fortunately, that totalitarian
     takeover of the health care industry was rejected.

     The Clinton Administration's education legislation now pending in
     Congress would put personal information about all schoolchildren
     -- academic, medical, attitudinal, behavioral, and family -- into
     an expanded Labor Market Information database available to the
     government, as well as to prospective employers.

     Now the Clinton Administration is trying to make it illegal for
     individual Americans to have private conversations with one
     another. That's the real meaning of its effort to control
     encryption technology, and it's a direct assault on the First
     Amendment.

     It would be downright ridiculous to assert that the First
     Amendment guarantees our right to speak in public but not in
     private. It would be just as ridiculous to say that we have
     freedom to speak in words that the government can understand, but
     not in words the government can't decipher.

     Americans have the right to speak to one another in private,
     behind closed doors, and we should likewise have the right to
     speak to one another in code and to put our coded messages on
     computer in a process called encryption. Americans would not
     tolerate the government opening and reading the letters we send
     through the mails, and we should not tolerate the government
     opening and reading our encrypted, or coded, messages sent via
     computer.

     Yet, Attorney General Janet Reno, FBI Director Louis Freeh, and
     Vice President Al Gore are all demanding the authority to read our
     encrypted messages. In a speech to the Commonwealth Club of
     California, Reno bluntly stated her demand for "ensuring law
     enforcement access to encrypted data.''

     Reno boasted that there is "a consensus'' that the government
     should create a system known as "Key Escrow'' (i.e., a supposedly
     "neutral third party''), to which all Americans should be forced
     to "entrust'' the keys to their encrypted messages, and to which
     the government would have access. On the contrary, there is no
     such consensus.

     Do you trust Janet Reno with access to your private messages? Do
     you trust the FBI to keep your files confidential?

     The Clinton Administration is already doing 30 to 40 percent more
     federal telephone wiretaps and other electronic surveillance than
     the last year of the Bush Administration. Those figures don't even
     include national security wiretaps or the hundreds of extensions
     granting more time for wiretap orders already issued.

     FBI Director Freeh wrote the New York Times last November that
     "There is no intention to expand the number of wiretaps or the
     extent of wiretapping." Four months later, FBI documents revealed
     that the FBI does, in fact, plan to increase electronic
     surveillance 54 percent by 1998 and 130 percent by 2004.

     On July 12, Al Gore announced that the Administration will
     continue to push for the adoption of a massive public key
     infrastructure to give the government access to all encrypted
     communications. In a blatant bid for a police-state surveillance
     society, Gore warned about "the dangers of unregulated encryption
     technology."

     A neutral panel of the National Research Council was set up to
     make policy recommendations about encryption. The panel called on
     the government to abandon its efforts to restrict encryption.

     The NSC panel concluded that increased use of encryption would
     enhance our national security, not diminish it. Thirteen out of
     its 16 members had security clearances with access to secret
     information, and they saw no national security reason to justify
     the Clinton policy.

     The Clinton Administration bases its campaign to control private
     encryption on the alleged need to fight crime through wiretapping.
     However, the NSC panel concluded that the ability of the private
     sector to transfer confidential financial and other data over the
     information highway without interception is far more important.

     New technologies have given government awesome power to spy on
     individuals. The Filegate investigation accidentally uncovered the
     shocking news that, as soon as Bill Clinton entered the White
     House in 1993, he secretly spent $400,000 on software to create a
     highly sophisticated computer database to track detailed
     political, financial, attitudinal, and personal biographical
     information on 200,000 people, including members of Congress and
     the media. Known as WHODB for White House Office Data Base, the
     system was nicknamed Big Brother.

     Encryption is a First Amendment issue, not a crime issue. If the
     Clinton Administration is allowed to control encryption, it would
     be the biggest expansion of federal power since the passage of the
     Income Tax Amendment in 1913.


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From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:18:34 -0500
Subject: London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban

Recently the London police sent a letter to U.K. Internet providers saying
that 133 Usenet newsgroups must be banned.

>From observations at , it's clear that:

       the Police regard ISPs as publishers
       the publication of obscene materials is an offence
       the Police expect ISPs to continuously monitor newsgroups and
           to remove those which contain illegal materials

More ominously, the letter says "Furthermore, this list is not exhaustive
and we are looking to you to monitor your Newsgroups identifying and taking
necessary action against those others found to contain such material...
This list is only the starting point..." Also, the police have said they
have the power to arrest Internet providers and seize their equipment.

This move by the Brits is disappointing, but perhaps not surprising. I have
background about many more international net-censorship attempts at:
  http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/

- -Declan


- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
*** COPIED FROM: >>>Usenet/alt.censorship 98310
                ....internet header cut....
Subject:        Re: POLICE CENSORSHIP - HERE, NOW IN THE UK
Date:           Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:28:38 GMT

On Wed, 14 Aug 96 17:39:54 GMT, andyc@waverider.co.uk (Andy Cowan)
wrote:

To all subscribers:

Our upstream provider, VBCNet, has informed us that today, they, and
other ISPs in the UK have received a notification from the Metropolitan
Police to remove 134 news groups from their news servers. Therefore, we
are no longer being fed these groups. As many of you will have seen,
recently, in a thread in the waverider.support newsgroup, Wave Rider
Internet Plc are
opposed to such censorship as a matter of principle - as I know many
of you are.

The letter from the Met makes it clear that this is only the
beginning - they plan to ban whatever newsgroups they see fit over the
coming months.

We urge you all to protest this action - use the media, contact your
MPs, generate whatever protest you see fit - or the UK Internet is going
to be operated by the whim of the Clubs & Vice unit of the Metropolitan
Police.

At present, Wave Rider Internet Plc have received no such notification from
the police, and will therefore not be removing any groups. However, as
we're not being fed them anymore, that's academic - there will shortly be
nothing in them.

I am enclosing the copy of the letter from the Met, that we have been
sent by VBCNet.

Andy Cowan
Technical Director
Wave Rider Internet Plc

PS: I will follow this later with my own, personal views. This is an
official statement.

[...]

- ---

Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:03:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dale Amon 

The CDA sickness begun in the US is now spreading into Europe. This was
recieved from our upstream provider in London (I am a director on
an ISP in Northern Ireland)

Anyone who wishes to write to the Gestapo Commandant and tell him off
is more than welcome.

Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:33:52 +0100 (BST)
From: Jim Dixon 
To: euro-customers@vbc.net
Subject: police censorship
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Like other UK ISPs, VBCnet today received a demand from the Metropolitan
Police that some 134 news groups be deleted from our news machines.
The letter makes it clear that this is only the beginning, that they
will be banning more groups and requiring ISPs to enforce their
dictats.  We have with great reluctance complied with their demand.

While we do not disagree that the articles in some of these groups are
often objectionable, we disagree in principle with this form of censorship.

We urge all of you to make it clear to your customers why these news
groups have been withdrawn and we urge you to contact your MPs and
the media about this arbitrary action by the police.  If there is no
protest, if a precedent is established, the UK Internet is going to
fall under the control of the Clubs and Vice Unit at Charing Cross
Police Station.

VBCnet is setting up a Web page to protest this action.  It should be
available at
        http://www.uk.vbc.net/censorship
by the end of the day.  We will add pointers to other protesting Web
pages -- well, the ones that are calm and reasonable.  ;-)

- --
Jim Dixon              VBCnet GB Ltd +44 117 929 1316  fax +44 117 927 2015
http://www.uk.vbc.net  VBCnet West   +1  408 971 2682  fax +1  408 971 2684

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:    9th August 1996

METROPOLITAN POLICE SERVICE

Clubs and Vice Unit
Charing Cross Police Station
Agar Street
London WC2N 4JP

Telephone: 0171 321 7752
Facsimile:   0171 321 7762

To: All Internet Service Providers





Dear Sir / Madam

Pornographic Material on the Internet

Further to the seminar held at New Scotland Yard on 2nd August I enclose,
as promised by Superintendent Mike Hoskins, a list of those Newsgroups
which we believe contain pornographic material.

We have attempted to confirm that the Newsgroups listed currently contain
this offensive material but as you will be only too aware the content is
continually changing and you will need to satisfy yourself about the
nature and content before taking any action. Furthermore, this list is
not exhaustive and we are looking to you to monitor your Newsgroups
identifying and taking necessary action against those others found to
contain such material. As you will  be aware the publication of obscene
articles is an offence.

This list is only the starting point and we hope, with the co-operation
and assistance of the industry and your trade organisations, to be moving
quickly towards the eradication of this type of Newsgroup from the
Internet. At the seminar we debated the means of maintaining an up to
date list and you will recall that ISPA volunteered to pool information
and assist in this initiative. However, we are very anxious that all
service providers should be taking positive action now, whether or not
they are members of a trade association.

We trust that with your co-operation and self regulation it will not be
necessary for us to move to an enforcement policy.

Yours Faithfully


Stephen French
Chief Inspector


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From: j.stokes@student.anu.edu.au (Jason Stokes)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:02:15 +1000
Subject: Re: London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban

>Recently the London police sent a letter to U.K. Internet providers saying
>that 133 Usenet newsgroups must be banned.
>
>>From observations at , it's clear that:
>
>       the Police regard ISPs as publishers
>       the publication of obscene materials is an offence
>       the Police expect ISPs to continuously monitor newsgroups and
>           to remove those which contain illegal materials
>
>More ominously, the letter says "Furthermore, this list is not exhaustive
>and we are looking to you to monitor your Newsgroups identifying and taking
>necessary action against those others found to contain such material...
>This list is only the starting point..." Also, the police have said they
>have the power to arrest Internet providers and seize their equipment.
>
>This move by the Brits is disappointing, but perhaps not surprising. I have
>background about many more international net-censorship attempts at:
>  http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/

You got it.  Forget international connectivity - most governments are
trying to erect a checkpoint at every virtual border.  I have this horrible
fear that in 2005 or so world leaders are going to say something like:

"We had to destroy the global village in order to save it."



------------------------------

From: Declan McCullagh 
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: British Obscenity and ISPs

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:41:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Charles Platt 
To: Declan McCullagh 
Subject: British Obscenity

For fight-cen, if you want it:
- ------------------------------

First, British obscenity is more restrictively defined (by precedent) than
in the United States, and there is no written Constitution to fall back
on. The ultimate court of appeal is the House of Lords, where elderly
gentlemen are not known for their progressive thinking. A publisher 
friend of mine in Britain has twice served time in prison during the past 
fifteen years.

Second, and very relevant to the recent announcement by British police,
under British law the PRINTER of a publication is liable for obscenity
along with the publisher and the writer. Historically this has made it
quite difficult to get sexually explicit or otherwise "dangerous" 
material into print in Britain. 

It seems fairly clear that since an ISP offers a service vaguely analogous
to that of a printer (i.e. making multiple copies of a document without
regard to its content), there is ample precedent for the British
authorities to hold ISPs liable for their message traffic. 

Consequently we will either see a fundamental revision of the British
attitude toward culpability (unlikely!) or self-censorship by ISPs will
cause the net in Britain will go the same way as print media and videos in
Britain: there will be nothing more salacious or dangerous than innuendo
of the type perfected by Benny Hill. This is of course is an art form in
its own right; but I am very glad I made my decision to emigrate from
Britain 25 years ago. 

- --Charles

##############################################################
Charles Platt / 1133 Broadway, room 1214 / New York / NY 10010
Phone 212 929 3983     email cp@panix.com     fax 212 807 6111



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Date:          Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:05:35 +0000
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Shabbir Safdar wrote:

> 
> Craig Johnson, in a recent article, mentions that Republicans are
> responsible for the CDA, and other travesties of the Bill of Rights.

I happen to think that these Internet issues that we all hold so
dear are interlinked with ideological positions, which is why I am
severely critical of Clinton and co. and Congressional Democrats as
well.  I also don't happen to think that supporting "net issues" in 
splendid isolation from political reality makes much sense, and on 
the contrary, can be damaging to liberty and democracy.

The VTW notice in question read like a propaganda tract for the 
Republican convention.

As for the CDA, it was hatched by Exon and Gorton, barely 40 seconds
were spent discussing it in markup of S. 652 (as I witnessed, and
Brock Meeks wrote at the time),  and virtually all Republican
Senators supported it.  

As Shabbir well knows, the House bill and the Senate bill had to be
reconciled in conference committee.  With the Christian Coalition,
Enough is Enough, and a passle of other benighted groups -- which
could be seen pulling levers this week at the Republican convention 
- -- lobbying heavily for censorship,  the outcome was reasonably
predictable.  

Yes, Cox-Wyden was a great thing and all.  We all know that.  
However, it didn't make it through conference largely because of the 
persuasive powers of that great civil libertarian Henry Hyde, chair 
of the Judiciary Committee and lapdog of the Christian Coalition 
*and* because of the stupidity of three Democratic Representatives, 
Schroeder, Conyers, and Jackson-Lee, who voted against the White 
"harmful to minors" replacement language in a House conferees' 
caucus.

Incidentally, it is debatable whether a "harmful to minors standard," 
as advocated by White, would have been much of an improvement over 
the CDA.  One still would have had every local hack prosecutor 
interpreting the statute as he/she saw fit, even though the "harmful 
to minors" standard had been constitutionally tested elsewhere.

And, let us be *very* clear on this:  It was that great friend of
the Internet, Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), Shabbir's crypto hero, who
offered the amendment in the closed caucus session which gutted the
White idea, threw out Cox-Wyden, and retained the Hyde language.

The Republican Net lovers were not much in evidence in the
conference committee, which after all, is where the serious power to
decide the final outcome of these matters resided.  The leadership,
aka Larry Pressler, Henry Hyde, and Tom Bliley all supported
pro-censorship,  and Gingrich rode the wave, despite his earlier
protestations to the contrary. 

A couple other notes which may be minor to VTW but are very
significant to some.  Cox is on record as opposing the
Snowe-Rockefeller-Kerrey amendment to S. 652, the much-praised
"universal service" provisions which  mandate, among other things
that:  (a) "quality services should be available at just, reasonable,
and affordable rates" (b)  "access to advanced telecommunications
services and information services should be provided in all regions
of the Nation"; and that (c) "consumers in all regions of the
Nation, including low-income consumers and those in rural, insular,
and high cost areas, should have access to telecommunications
services and information services . . . that are reasonably
comparable to those services provided in urban areas and that are
available at rates that are reasonably comparable to rates charged for
similar services in urban areas."

There is also a provision requiring "access to advanced 
telecommunications services for schools, health care, and libraries" 
and a definition of universal service that describes it as "an 
evolving level of telecommunications services."  

Most observers consider these provisions good things, which support
the growth and vitality of the Internet. 

Cox did every thing he could to stymie them however, including offering
his own amendment in subcommittee, which would have limited
"universal service" to "voice-grade telephone service."  Truly a
pro-Internet stance! 

And, Aschcroft, part of the rope-a-dope singing ensemble this week seen at 
the Republican convention,  argued strenuously in committee and 
markup against the universal service provisions.  

What about the great freedom lover Bob Dole?  Well, he was an 
original sponsor of the Grassley bill, S. 892 (which mirrored the 
Hyde approach in the Senate), and supported censorship at every turn.

So while the Net may be "maturing," its champions need to learn to 
look at issues in the context of other valued social and political 
goals.

- --caj

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From: Declan McCullagh 
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:31:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Scientology begins PGP crack attempt

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.security.pgp
From: grady@netcom.com (Grady Ward)
Subject: Criminal cult begins PGP crack attempt
Message-ID: 

The Special Master has informed me that Madame Kobrin has
asked her to retain a PC expert to attempt to "crack" a
series of pgp-encrypted multi-megabyte files that were
seized along with more than a compressed gigabyte of other
material from my safety deposit box.

Ironically, they phoned to ask for assistance in supplying them with
a prototype "crack" program that they could use in
iterating and permuting possibilities. I did supply them
a good core pgpcrack source that can search several
tens of thousands of possible key phrases a seconds;
I also suggested that they should at least be using a P6-200
workstation or better to make the search more efficient.

The undercurrent is that this fresh hysterical attempt to "get"
something on me coupled with the daily settlement pleas reflects
the hopelessness of the litigation position of the criminal cult.

It looks like the criminal cult has cast the die to
ensure that the RTC vs Ward case is fought out to the bitter end.
Which I modestly predict will be a devastating, humiliating defeat
for them from a pauper pro per.

I have given them a final settlement offer that they can leave
or take. Actually they have a window of opportunity now to 
drop the suit since my counterclaims have been dismissed
(although Jusge Whyte invited me to re-file a new counterclaim
motion on more legally sufficiant basis).

I think Keith and I have found a successful counter-strategy to
the cult's system of litigation harassment.

Meanwhile, I could use some help from veteran a.r.s'ers.  
I need any copy you have of the Cease and Desist letter that you
may have received last year from Eliot Abelson quondam
criminal cult attorney and Eugene Martin Ingram spokespiece.


Physical mail:

Grady Ward
3449 Martha Ct.
Arcata, CA  95521-4884

JP's BMPs or fax-images to:

grady@northcoast.com

Thanks.

Grady Ward

Ps. I really do need all of your help and good wishes after all.
Thanks for all of you keeping the net a safe place to insult
kook kults.

------------------------------

From: Declan McCullagh 
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:36:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Stockholm children's conf slams Net kiddie-porn, remailers

[The attached Reuters dispatch follows a recent issue of The Economist,
which noted it was _legal_ to possess child pornography in Sweden -- the
conference host country -- but _illegal_ to distribute it. Now the
largely-ceremonial Swedish monarchy is campaigning to change tha law. 
- -Declan]

// declan@eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan@well.com //


- ---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:39:17 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Anonymous 

Internet Child Porn An Issue At Stockholm Congress

STOCKHOLM - Distribution of child pornography on the Internet seems
destined to top the issues at the world's first conference against sexual
exploitation of children opening later this month in Stockholm. 

Activists are trying to devise ways of keeping pedophiles from peddling
such material on the global computer network, which is already used as a
billboard to advertise prostitution and sex tourism and to exchange adult
pornography. 

But not everyone agrees that regulating the Internet or its 20 million
users worldwide is the right move. 

[...]

"The Internet is like heaven for the pedophile," said Toby Tyler, a United
States police officer who lectures at the FBI Academy on child abuse. 

"As far as our ability to restrict the distribution of child pornography
and stop the sexual exploitation of children on the Internet...it's not
something that can be done." 

Campaigners are concerned that unless urgent action is taken to stamp out
the Internet's distribution of child porn, whether it features real
children or just computer generated images, it could spark greater demand
for child pornography. 

"Neglecting to prohibit computer generated images could well re-establish
the commercial trade -- filling bookstores with computer images,
de-sensitizing society and fueling demand for such material," said
campaigner Margaret Healy from Bangkok-based End Child Prostitution in
Asian Tourism (ECPAT). 

Tyler said the Internet has ended the days when pedophiles had to make
costly cross-border runs to buy child pornography in countries where laws
were laxer and penalties lighter. 

Now they can obtain and distribute films and photos from their own homes
on the Internet with little risk of capture. 

Tyler said the existence of anonymous re-mailers -- computer systems which
accept material transmitted over computer lines and send it out again
after coding its original address -- concealed the source of pornography
on the Internet. 

[...]

Tyler said the most widely used re-mailing system currently operates from
Finland, through which about 99 percent of all child pornography with
untraceable address codes passes. 

But Johan Helsingius, who runs a re-mailing system from Helsinki, said he
did not think child pornography was a problem on the Internet or that any
of the 10,000 messages which pass through his server daily contained child
pornography. 

"To a large extent the net is self-regulating. As soon as you do something
that offends enough people, measures will be taken by those who are
involved with the net," he said. 

ECPAT's Healy said in a report prepared for the five-day Stockholm
conference that opens on August 27 that the regulation of child
pornography on computers presents special challenges and called on
governments to fund better training. 

"The establishment of an international research organization
with...specialists in the areas of investigation, law enforcement,
behavioral science, prosecution, law and computer technology could be an
invaluable resource for the global community," Healy said. 


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--
Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant;  they, too, have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons;  they are a vexation to the spirit.

If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.  Keep interest in your own career ever humble;  it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery.  But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;  many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.  Especially, do not feign affection.

Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth.  Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.

Do not distress yourself with imaginings.  Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself   You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars;  you have a right to be there.

Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.  With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world.

The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him.

Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner.

As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons.

Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story.

Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is.  Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism.  Consult the television listings for your loca
l schedule.

Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again.

Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti.  Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes.  

Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there.

And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should.

Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be.  And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio.

With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter.

Racism is your best protection against crime.

Strive to be independently wealthy.


          TO MY WHITE GIRL

          I love you
          Because you're white,
          Not because you're charming
          Or bright.
          Your whiteness is a silky thread
          Snaking through my thoughts
          In redhot patterns
          Of lust and desire.

          I love you
          Because you're white.
          Your white skin
          Is what dreams are made of.
          White is
          The skin of nobility.
          You're my Cleopatra,
          My Eva Braun,
          Symbol of the rope and black swastika,
          Of the burning cross.
          Loving you thus
          And siring your children that look like you,
          My heart is made for you.
          In happiness and duty.


ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME

Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us
Join the line, sign your name
And they all said that our country's going bust
But no one's fooled us again

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!

We showed the world that the boys are back to stay
And you all know what we can do
It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY
For the red, white and blue

England belongs to me
A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers
No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry
OH-Oh, England belongs to ME!


                     +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++
                      +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++
             +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++



From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 18:15:49 PDT 1996
Article: 94879 of alt.censorship
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From: qut@netcom.com (Roger Healy OBC)
Subject: Re: A coward and a netcop: James Koput 
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[Followups-To: alt.flame]

In <4v6m8q$nuv@news.xgw.fi> krtanner%/etc/HOSTNAME (Head Librarian) writes:

Fucken off.  We still remember how you lost to the BARD.

! Look: Another wimpy email from Jim Koput that I found from my archives:
! 
! Want me to post some more, Jamesy?
! 
! ----------begin posted email:
! 
! From daemon Sun Nov 26 05:36:56 1995
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! To: postmaster@vipunen.hut.fi
! From: festerat@inforamp.net ((James Koput/Soft Targets))
! Subject: Head Librarian's net abuse
! Status: RO
! 
! Has Mr. jhaartti@vipunen.hut.fi (Head Librarian) anything better to do 
! than flame me in non-flame newsgroups such as rec.arts.comics.strips? 
! I have friends there in that newsgroup and this idiot has the audacity to 
! slander me in a ng that I consider sacred. Please help.
! 
! Thank you very much,
! jim
! 
!  ____            ____                \_
! |.,.,|   _/\_   |,.,.|  \_\_\_\_      \_
! |,.,.| __\  /__ |.,.,|   \_        \_\_\_\_\_
! |.,.,| \      / |,.,.|    \_\_\_\_      \_
! |,.,.| /__  __\ |.,.,|           \_      \_
! |____|    ||    |____|      \_\_\_\_ \_   \_ \_
!                             ~~~~~SOFT TARGETS~~~~~
! James Koput festerat@inforamp.net
! See the SOFT TARGETS comic strip on the WWW at:
! WebComics WebPage: http://www.cyberzine.com/webcomics/st/
! WebComics Weekly:  http://www.cyberzine.com/webcomics/weekly.html
! 
! 
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! 
! 
! 
! --
! Hero - the voice of reason.
! Against the howling mob.
! Hero - the pride of purpose.
! In the unrewarding job.         -- Peart 


From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 18:15:50 PDT 1996
Article: 95028 of alt.censorship
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From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth)
Subject:   fight-censorship-digest V1 #185
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fight-censorship-digest      Thursday, 15 August 1996      Volume 01 : Number 185

In this issue:

	INFO: Gather and talk to Republican luminaries live online from the convention!
	Clinton Links Wiretap Opposition to Gun Lobby
	Clinton on Terrorism
	Re: Clinton on Terrorism
	Re: Global crypto and Senate net-restriction showdown coming, from , WSJ
	Vin Suprynowicz Column: READING OUR MAIL
	UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn
	Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn
	Cybergangs "in your home, your living room, your den"
	CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd)
	Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn
	Re: CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd)
	HRW letter to Singapore government; German telecom URL
	Mormons blame Net for bad things
	Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn
	ACLU Gives Princeton an "F" for Barring Political Speech on its Network

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From: Voters Telecommunications Watch 
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:20:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: INFO: Gather and talk to Republican luminaries live online from the convention!

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	     REPUBLICAN CONVENTION!  LIVE!  CHECK IT OUT ONLINE!
		(DO NOT DISTRIBUTE AFTER AUGUST 20, 1996)

WHAT:   Live feed from the Republican Convention in San Diego over the net
	Eat, drink, shmooze with Republican luminaries through the Net.
WHERE:  @Cafe, #12 St. Mark's Place (212-979-5439)
WHEN:   8:30pm, Tuesday August 13, 1996

At 8:30pm EST on Tuesday, August 13, 1996, the Republican National Convention
will be broadcast live over the Internet!  The Several members of Congress
will be present and, technology and Murphy's Law permitting, they'll be
able to talk to you online through CUSeeMe.

Many of New York's Republicans will be gathering at the @Cafe (address
below), one of New York's many fine cybercafes, to eat, drink, shmooze,
and queue up for a chance to talk to notable Republican legislators
live from the Republican convention.

Montana Senator Conrad Burns, who has been a driving force within the
bi-partisan push to deregulate encryption, will be cyber-present, as will
Montana Governor Marc Racicot, widely regarded as a visionary.

The event is being coordinated in San Diego by Mike Rawson of Senator
Conrad Burns office.  Rawson, who has been instrumental in putting the
Senate hearings live online along with Jonah Seiger of the Center for
Democracy and Technology, will be bringing Senators, and other luminaries
to the event.

The Republican National Convention's live broadcast page is at:
http://www.convention96.rnc.org/live.htm
Simply point your Web browser there on Tuesday night to see the live
goings-on.

The @Cafe is where most people will probably gather, but there are many
fine Internet cafes in New York.  To find the one nearest you, go to
Clay Irving's NYC Guide at: http://www.panix.com/~clay/nyc/cybercafes.shtml

@cafe
        12 St. Marks Place.
        It's an Internet provider! No, it's a restaraunt! Whatever it is,
	it seems like a cool place! 

alt.coffee
        139 Avenue A - Tel: 212.529.CAFE
        coffee. computers. comfy chairs. 

Cyber Cafe
        273A Lafayette Street, New York, New York 10012 Tel: (212) 334-5140
        Fax: (212) 334-6436
        In the heart of SOHO New York, Cyber Cafe is a stylish interface
	between the latest internet technology and the best
        in fresh, organic food. 

Internet Cafe
       3rd Street (between 1st and 2nd) 

Kokobar
        espresso bar-cafi-bookstore features workstations for all-out Internet
        access. Located in Fort Greene. 

The VOID
       16 Mercer Street (at Howard, one block north of Canal) 


For more information on the live hookups from the Republican convention,
contact Mike Rawson at Senator Conrad Burns' office at 202-224-8250.
For more information on the gathering at the @Cafe in New York City, contact
Shabbir J. Safdar at 917-978-8430.

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From: telstar@wired.com (--Todd Lappin-->)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:04:54 -0700
Subject: Clinton Links Wiretap Opposition to Gun Lobby

Congress may be in recess, but Bill Clinton is still dreaming of expanded
FBI wiretap authority.  In this week's radio address, Clinton sought to
paint the GOP into a corner by depicting the opponents of his
"anti-terrorism" plan as "gun nuts."

Expect the White House to continue beating this drum throughout September.

More detail below.

- --Todd-->
- -------------------------------------------------------


From: http://allpolitics.com/news/9608/10/clinton.radio/

Full transcript of Clinton's radio address at:
http://allpolitics.com/news/9608/10/clinton.radio/clinton.transcript.shtml


      Clinton: GOP Listening To 'Gun
      Lobby Over Law Enforcement'

      JACKSON, Wyo. (AllPolitics, Aug. 10) --
      President Clinton on Saturday accused the
      Republican-led Congress of hampering efforts
      to fight terrorism by kowtowing to the gun
      lobby.

      In his weekly radio address from Jackson,
      where the president and his family are
      vacationing, Clinton said that Congress had
      stripped his anti-terrorism bill of valuable tools "that law
      enforcement needs to help them find out, track down and shut down
      terrorists."

      The president said that those who oppose two key provisions in his
      anti-terrorism legislation -- broader wiretapping authority and
      marking explosive powder with a "taggant" that can be traced back to
      the dealer who sold it -- were the same who opposed the Brady bill
      and the assault weapons ban.

      [ ... ]

      Negotiations between the White House and Congress for anti-
      terrorism legislation stalled last week over the wiretapping and
      explosive taggant issues. The House later passed an anti- terrorism
      bill of its own that excluded those provisions, but the Senate did not
      vote on the measure before adjourning for its August recess.

      [ ... ]

      "We cannot cast aside any tools in this fight for the security of our
      country and the safety of our people," he said.

      The United States, he said, is not immune to terrorism, citing the
      Oklahoma City bombing and last month's bombing in Centennial
      Olympic Park in Atlanta as "brutal evidence."

      [ ... ]

###









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From: "ERIC M. FREEDMAN, HOFSTRA LAW SCHOOL" 
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:16:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Clinton on Terrorism

Seems to me that it would be just as well to be discriminating in what we 
say and to distinguish between the taggant provisions -- which strike me 
as being perfectly appropriate legislation that is being blocked by 
various groups including the NRA -- and the wiretap ones. -EMF
                             *******
                    Professor Eric M. Freedman
                    Hofstra University School of Law
                    Hempstead, N.Y.  11550
                    LAWEMF@Vaxc.Hofstra.edu
                    Office: Tel. (516)-463-5167
                            Fax  (516)-560-7676
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From: jaed@best.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 04:50:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Clinton on Terrorism

At 11:16 PM 8/11/96, "ERIC M. FREEDMAN, HOFSTRA LAW SCHOOL"
Seems to me that it would be just as well to be discriminating in what we
>say and to distinguish between the taggant provisions -- which strike me
>as being perfectly appropriate legislation that is being blocked by
>various groups including the NRA -- and the wiretap ones. -EMF

Um, well, except that
- - there are serious safety questions concerning adding taggants to black
and smokeless powder
- - a taggant provision is of dubious utility in catching terrorist bombers,
since black powder is not difficult to make (and presumably anyone serious
about planting pipe bombs and not getting caught would take this small
additional step for self-protection)
- - it's hard to see how taggants would help LE track powder anyway, since
powder from a given manufacturing lot can be and commonly is shipped to
dealers all over the country.

I do think the issues are separable, and the wiretapping provisions are
obviously of considerably greater relevance to this list (and to
free-speech activism) than the taggant nonsense is. But I wanted to correct
the misapprehension; as we know from bitter experience with the CDA,
getting non-facts accepted as conventional wisdom is one of the first steps
in promulgating bad laws and in demonizing those who oppose them.

- --
The Internet interprets the US Congress as system damage
and routes around it.   - with apologies to John Gilmore



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From: Rich Graves 
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Global crypto and Senate net-restriction showdown coming, from , WSJ

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On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> http://interactive4.wsj.com/edition/current/articles/Online.htm
> 
> August 9, 1996
>   
> After Dhahran, TWA, and Atlanta: Who's Afraid of the Big Bad 'Net?
> 
>    By VIVIENNE WALT 
>    THE WALL STREET JOURNAL INTERACTIVE EDITION
>    
>    At 15, Frank Sayre isn't old enough to vote in Canada. Yet, his knack for
>    Internet coding has already earned him some powerful enemies.

I believe this is false. As far as I know, no one has objected, other than
by calling him naive. Frank is on vacation and off the net until early
September, so I imagine the WSJ was unable to reach him for this story. 
People reacted to his action the same way they did to our Zundelsite mirrors
- - -- despite the fact that Zundel is just a harmless neo-Nazi propagandist,
while Lemire is a bit more... activist. For *his* side of the story, see
http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/sirc/affidavit_of_marc_lemire.html

>    Last month, Mr. Sayre launched a private protest against Web censorship
>    from his home in Smithers, British Columbia. After hearing that a
>    white supremacist site had been ejected from an Internet service
>    provider,

This is false. He heard that they were being protested. Lemire has not been
kicked off. His site remains at http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom, and the site
that the SWC-Canada was far more concerned about, www.ftcnet.com/~skinhds,
is still online, too. Oddly, none of the stores in the US press even mention
the skinheads site. The initial reports in the Canadian press didn't even
mention Lemire, because it really wasn't about him.

Funny... the Skinheads site admits that they won and will not be censored. 
Take a look at http://alpha.ftcnet.com/~skinhds/ -- "Well my site has
weathered the storm of controversy and is still afloat.  Despite the best
efforts of some of the enemies of free speech my service provider did not
capitulate."

I wonder how long Lemire plans to milk the publicity. Maybe trolling the
Wall Street Journal was enough.

>    the teenager posted the site's entire contents in a
>    compressed "mirror" file... 

This is false. Lemire created and posted the archive, soliciting mirror
sites. The first one online was www.alpha.org, but they've been having
technical problems, so Frank's was announced first. Frank's web page simply
links to Lemire's archive on ftcnet.com. Frank did not compile and is not
distributing the site's entire contents. 

>    Incensed, the province's Attorney General, Ujjal Dosanjh, dispatched a
>    task force to investigate the Web's proliferation of hate speech --
>    something the Canadian government, like its allies in Western Europe,
>    has laws against. 

This is highly misleading; I assume it was taken from either Declan's
article or Lemire's press release, as it shows a lack of understanding of
the political and legal situation in Canada.

I don't suppose the WSJ will admit that they were trolled? Frank has, but I
know that Declan won't. In fact, if it weren't for this sentence and the
fact that I'm Bcc'ing it to Vivian, I doubt Declan would allow this message
to hit fight-censorship at all.

>    One day after a bomb in Saudi Arabia killed several U.S. servicemen and
>    virtually flattened a military base, Sen. Joseph Biden (D., Del.)
>    pushed his proposal to make posting bomb-making information on the
>    Internet a felony, punishable by up to 20 years in jail.
>    
>    "I think most Americans would be absolutely shocked if they knew what kind
>    of bone-chilling information is making its way over the Internet," he told
>    the Senate on June 26. "You can access detailed, explicit instructions on
>    how to make and detonate pipe bombs, light-bulb bombs, and even -- if you
>    can believe it -- baby-food bombs."

...and thanks to Biden, that recipe is now available through thomas.loc.gov.
What a moron.

>    "They might be the lunatic fringe, but they've embraced this technology. A
>    subculture is emerging," says Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Weisenthal
>    Center in Los Angeles, who recently presented President Clinton with a disk
>    of extremist Web sites, and whose Cyberwatch project monitors extremism on
>    the Web.

No, Cyberwatch does no such thing. It just moans about it, giving no
specific examples. They don't even acknowledge the existence of other
organizations with policies that are both more effective and more respective
of freedom of speech, such as the Anti-Defamation League (which is larger
and older than the Wiesenthal Center, but strangely absent from press
reports of "jewish reaction to hate on the net") and Nizkor (which has far
more experience than either, but isn't jewish).

- - -rich

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From: freematt@coil.com (Matthew Gaylor)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:13:07 -0400
Subject: Vin Suprynowicz Column: READING OUR MAIL

From: Vin Suprynowicz 
Subject: Column, Aug. 7

    FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED Aug. 7, 1996
    THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
    Reading our mail

    Only in a nation already enormously out of touch with its founding
principle - that individual citizens and businesses have the right to do
just about any peaceful thing, while it's the powers of (start
ital)government(end ital) that are sharply restricted - could Congress find
itself debating whether to "allow" American computer firms to maintain
their lead in the multi-million-dollar overseas market for software
encryption.

  In plainer language, outfits like Netscape Communications and Tandem
Computers want "permission" to sell overseas programs like Pretty Good
Privacy - to which savvy American netsters now have free access - programs
which allow private e-mail messages and files to be encoded so government
snoops can't read them.

  The Clinton administration proposes that such exports be allowed only if
a decoding "key" is entrusted to a third party - such as a bank or
insurance company - which would then be subject to a court order or
subpoena should law enforcement personnel wish to break the code and
secretly read this electronic "mail."

  FBI Director Louis Freeh testified in favor of such restrictions July 25,
arguing that "Uncontrolled export of U.S. computer codes may help
international criminals and terrorists hide their activities from law
enforcement."

  Well, yes, they probably do. Ramzi Yousef, on trial in New York on
charges of plotting to bomb a dozen U.S. airliners, used a laptop computer
containing files the FBI still hasn't been able to decode.
  But note the past tense. Terrorists have already got this stuff. Anything
in the possession of an American teenager can be (likely has been) uploaded
onto the Internet, and then downloaded without anyone being the wiser in
Baghdad, Tripoli, or Tangiers.

  The real goal here is to control the ability of American citizens to
communicate with one another without government snoops reading over their
shoulders. When Director Freeh warns that "Encryption products used
unchecked by criminals and terrorists for their illegal activities pose an
extremely serious threat," it's worth remembering that federal agencies
have, in recent years, used the terms "criminal" and "terrorist" to
describe peaceful worshippers and their children at the Branch Davidian
Church in Waco, MOVE activists in Philadelphia, an unarmed Idaho mother
with a nursing baby in her arms, and any number of perhaps misguided but
far-from-violent tax protesters, home schoolers, barter exchange operators,
and practitioners of alternative medicine, to name just a few.

  Once the possessor of such stuff can be arrested and jailed for years on
charges of "exporting a munition" for the mere act of posting the
mathematical formula on the Internet, does it make sense to pretend
Americans will still be free to use such encryption domestically?
  Those who favor an authoritarian, hierarchical society have grown
accustomed to the fact that the political opinions available to most
American government-school graduates have long been "filtered" through the
news desks of a few television networks and major wire services. The
unregulated, spontaneous nature of Internet communications frightens such
souls with dark nightmares of anarchy, the same way King George hated the
colonial "Committees of Correspondence."

  As Stephen Chapman of the Chicago Tribune pointed out in his nationally
syndicated column June 19, "We can be grateful that ink and paper didn't
make their first appearance the day before yesterday . Otherwise, Congress
and the president would be scrambling frantically to make sure that these
communication tools would not be used for purposes unapproved by the
government."

  If the idea of a government service delivering letters between private
citizens were being introduced today, wouldn't Director Freeh similarly
argue against the "extremely serious threat" that criminals and terrorists
might use this new "mail" system to keep their secrets, should the
government allow the use of glue-flapped "envelopes"?
  But wait, you say: The secret "keys" would only be available upon
issuance of a "court order."

  And this guarantee would be enforced, I presume, by the same courts that
today regularly excuse the short-circuiting of any and all such existing
safeguards so long as the federals assert a "compelling government
interest" in hunting drug dealers, nabbing  "money-launderers," or whatever
dastardly new crime of the week they care to allege?

  It's understandable that repressive regimes like China are pulling out
every stop to register and track private users of the Internet. When
legislators show similar instincts in what was once the "Land of the Free,"
it's their own premises which they ... and we ... should re-examine.

Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin@intermind.net.
The web site for the Suprynowicz column is at
http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/. The column is syndicated in the United
States and Canada via Mountain Media Syndications, P.O. Box 4422, Las Vegas
Nev. 89127.

***

Vin Suprynowicz          vin@intermind.net

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From: Declan McCullagh 
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:34:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn

[Thanks to Stanton for forwarding. This is also a test to see if the 
fight-censorship+ address will work. --Declan]

U.K. INTERNET PROVIDERS PLAN TO RESTRICT CYBERPORN
Reacting to pressure from Scotland Yard, the Internet Service Providers
Association, representing 60 of an estimated 140 providers in the United
Kingdom, will be asking its members to voluntarily block access to sites
and services featuring hard-core pornography.  An executive of Demon
Internet, which has the largest subscriber base in the U.K., dismisses the
proposed action as ineffective:  "This is not a solution, it is just hiding
the problem."  (Financial Times 10 Aug 96)

[Excerpted from Edupage.]

------------------------------

From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:17:05 -0500
Subject: Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn

Got a note this morning from a U.K. journalist who spoke with PSInet:

- -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conversation this am with a leading light at a large ISP here (subsidiary
of US ISP).  Says last week there was a meeting of ISPs with the police,
who complained about the pedophilic newsgroups (estimated 20 ngs), and
essentially said, either you do something about it, or we'll do something
about it.  The guy said they'd pulled the groups.
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Note the ISPs are stressing the newsgroups were "pedophile" areas. But the
FT report talks about Scotland Yard pressuring Internet providers to block
"hard-core pornography."

- -Declan



------------------------------

From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:31:31 -0500
Subject: Cybergangs "in your home, your living room, your den"

> >CYBERGANGS
> >The head of the gang task force for the Arizona Department of Public Safety
> >reports that a Web site established in Detroit offers a how-to guide for
> >gangster wannabes and is urging gang members everywhere to unite under its
> >umbrella to form the first cyberspace gang.  The official says:  "Now it's
> >in your home, your living room, your den... Unfortunately, these guys can
> >talk about anything they want and there's nothing law enforcement can do
> >about it."  (Atlanta Journal-Constitution 8 Aug 96 F3)

A meme on the rise: like cyberporn, "cybergangs" can reach into your living
room and corrupt Junior. Perhaps grandstanding politicans may use
"cybergangs" as a pretext for a crackdown -- not a war on drugs, but a War
on the Net?

This page looks promising:
  http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3149

- -Declan



------------------------------

From: platinum 
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:28:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd)

please forward this to appropriate people, newsgroups, etc. let's make 
this a real happening!
	Rose

        It was hard to wake up, that morning. The pillow to the right
of her was bewildered at its own unaccustomed chill. She had gathered
all the blankets around herself and no one had been there to pull them
back; this more than anything reminded her of her aloneness and she
very nearly turned back onto her side to weep herself to sleep.
				--"Tender"

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stanton McCandlish 
To: iag@deliberate.com, "comp.org.eff.talk gate" 
Cc: action@eff.org
Subject: CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd)

I'm not sure this is the most effective or noticeable action, but what 
the heck.  Personally, I'd advocate doing whatever you think is most 
useful, just do it on the 31st, and let local media know with a short fax 
soon that Aug. 31 is Internet Censorship Protest Day.  If you've been of 
a mind to organize a rally, make it snappy. No better time.  I don't 
think this short alert has gone out very far yet.

Forwarded Message:


     The Communications Decency Amendment (CDA) Country-Wide Protest

                         August 31, 1996


In order to protest the Communications Decency Amendment (CDA) of the 1996
Telecommunications Act, on August 31, 1996 everyone who is against the 2
acts, and believes that these acts are unconstitutional, are asked to
drive with their lights on during the daytime.

Please forward this message to all newspapers, t.v. stations, and if you
have a internet site, please display this message.  The more participation
we have, the more our message gets across!

[This is a grassroots campaign, not tied to any particular organization.]



- --
    Stanton McCandlish

mech@eff.org

Electronic Frontier Foundation

Online Activist - -- Stanton McCandlish


mech@eff.org

Electronic Frontier Foundation

Online Activist ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:35:15 -0500 Subject: Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn From: Stanton McCandlish Subject: Re: FC: U.K. Net-companies ban porn; "cybergangs"; 8/31 CDA protest To: declan@vorlon.mit.edu Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:36:12 -0700 (PDT) X-EFF_General_Info: info@eff.org X-URL: http://www.eff.org/~mech > of US ISP). Says last week there was a meeting of ISPs with the police, > who complained about the pedophilic newsgroups (estimated 20 ngs), and > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Note the ISPs are stressing the newsgroups are "pedophile" areas. But the > FT report paints the situation much more broadly -- Internet providers are > blocking "pornography." Almost certainly true. It's highly unlikely that there are 20 child pornographic newsgroups. I have side accounts at 3 major ISPs that all have as close to a full newsfeed as is physically possible, I think. They all have almost an identical roster of available newsgroups (other than local ones of course, very few of which anywhere are pornographic in nature.) Out of those, only the following newsgroups would appear to qualify at first blush: alt.sex.pedophilia alt.sex.pedophilia.boys alt.sex.pedophilia.girls alt.sex.pedophilia.pictures alt.sex.pedophilia.swaps alt.binaries.pictures.child.erotica.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children alt.sex.children de.alt.pictures.sex.children alt.binaires.pictures.erotica.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.d alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.male alt.sex.pre-teens alt.sex.teens alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.fuck alt.sex.masturbation.pictures.female.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female.masturbation alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.lolita alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.fucking alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.misc alt.sex.young [I admit the possibility of missing a keyword. I did a search for "child", "kid", "teen", "lolita", "young", "youth" and "pedo". There might be, say, a "nambla" match, now that I think about it, but obscure keywords like that are unlikely to find enough newsgroups to strongly affect the outcome of this quick examination.] Of these, many can be immediately eliminated, as they are discussion groups, not binaries group, or are typos ("binaires") and ergo not carried by 99% or so of usenet (though available on a few sites like the WELL where the admins allow the automatic availability of every newsgroup known to the system, even ones created just to create a stupid-named newsgroup with no intention that it will ever be used.) This leaves: alt.sex.pedophilia.pictures alt.sex.pedophilia.swaps alt.binaries.pictures.child.erotica.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children de.alt.pictures.sex.children alt.binaires.pictures.erotica.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.fuck alt.sex.masturbation.pictures.female.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female.masturbation alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.lolita alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.fucking alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.misc alt.sex.young Now, of these all the "young" and "teen" groups have to be eliminated, since "young" is to vague to mean anything more specific that "younger than middle aged", and teen can refer to 18 or 19 (or even younger legal ages, if the UK is like Australia and sets age of consent at 16 instead of US & Canada's 18). If you actually look in these groups there appears to be nothing but flames, blather, and BBS ads, almost none, if any, of which will be childporn, since that would be a major cop magnet. Lolita.misc and pedophilia.swaps also have be dropped, as too vague to clearly indicate child pornographic visual content. The de. newsgroup is also probably not carried by many sites outside of Germany. (WELL had it, but my other ISPs didn't. Probably WELL is trading news with a site in Germany for some reason - maybe the .de site can't get a decent news feed? I dunno). That leaves: alt.sex.pedophilia.pictures alt.binaries.pictures.child.erotica.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.lolita alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.fucking Six likely suspect newsgroups for genuine illegal content in the form of child pornography. It's highly questionable whether real child porn shows up on any such newsgroup with any regularity, if at all. Again, the content seems to consist of flames and blatant BBS ads (though I'm not dumb enough to actually download the material, since that could count as "possession" if some of it is really child porn.) I even recall the creation of a few of these - they were newgrouped simply to piss people off with no intention of actually using the newsgroups. They were instantly rmgrouped, and are unavailable on all sites that honor "official" alt.config rmgroups, which is probably the vast majority of news servers. Much ado about nothing. Also, none of this even touches the question of whether liability adheres to providing access to something that happens to contain child porn simply becuase is *sounds* child pornographic. By this logic, even if is eventually established that an ISP could not be held liable for child porn content in general, absent guilty knowledge, an ISP could be held liable for it if someone posted a message with "child porn" in the subject line, and it actually did contain child porn, regardless of the fact that any message by that name is more likely to be a discussion thread about child porn and the problems it causes, that to be actual child porn. The UK cops are making the mistake of assuming that every label is. first, always accurate, and second, non-ambigious. That's a very stupid set of assumptions. Either way you look at it, this is ridiculous. Either: a) the UK police bureucrats have taken all newsgroup names at face value and have targetted most of the initial long list near the top of this message, even though most are obviously intended to be discussion areas and don't carry child porn itself, or b) they are going after 5 or so newsgroups that are, at least in name, definitely child pornographic, PLUS a buch of others (the rest of the 20) like alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.male, or whatever, that have nothing at all, even in name, to do with child porn, as the article Declan quotes seems to suggest (I think this quite possible, since it's unlikely that many if any UK hosts have this many pedophillic-sounding newsgroups. Only the biggest and most bandwidth rich US ISPs carry them all, so the UK cops probably don't even know about the majority of the newsgroups in the top, large, list.) A and B are *both* stupid and indefensible. The British police would be doing a far better job if they monitored the contents of the newgroups in question and worked to locate those posting any genuine child porn, and prosecute them (with an eye to the fact that its very easy to create fake child porn with modern graphics editors. That may be illegal in Canada, but it's probably not in the UK, or anywhere else, since such a law is truly inane.) - -- Stanton McCandlish


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Electronic Frontier Foundation

Online Activist ------------------------------ From: Rich Graves Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd) On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, platinum wrote: > The Communications Decency Amendment (CDA) Country-Wide Protest > > August 31, 1996 > > > In order to protest the Communications Decency Amendment (CDA) of the 1996 > Telecommunications Act, on August 31, 1996 everyone who is against the 2 > acts, and believes that these acts are unconstitutional, are asked to > drive with their lights on during the daytime. OK, whatever. I'll get new batteries for my bike light. - -rich Free Xanana! http://www.uc.pt/Timor/arquivo/varia/xananauc.html ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:00:50 -0500 Subject: HRW letter to Singapore government; German telecom URL Attached is the letter Human Rights Watch/Asia sent to Singapore yesterday. Kudos to HRW for taking the lead in calling attention to the actions of the censorhappy Singaporeans. More background is at: http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/ Also, you can find an English version of the German telecommunications act at: http://www.government.de/inland/ministerien/post/tkge00.html - -Declan - --- August 13, 1996 BY FAX: +65-375-7765 Mr. George Yeo Minister for Information and the Arts 460 Alexandra Road, 37th Story PSA Building Singapore 119963 Dear Mr. Yeo, I am writing on behalf of Human Rights Watch/Asia to protest the recent decision by the Singapore government to establish strict controls on Internet use. The implementation of the Class License Scheme, which, according to a July 11 government news release, "will focus on content which may undermine public morals, political stability and religious harmony,"ensures a leading role for Singapore among international promoters of online censorship. This is a particularly unfortunate role for Singapore, which has been a leader in the development and promotion of Internet use in Asia. It places Singapore in the same category as countries like China, where Internet users must endure onerous restrictions. One of the most unique and valuable characteristics of the Internet is its ability to establish easy, inexpensive and practically instantaneous communication between the farthest points of the earth. By prohibiting connections between its citizens and various Web sites outside its borders, Singapore is in essence removing itself from the global Internet. If, as will surely happen, its example is followed in other countries, the Internet, which held such promise as the world's first truly global medium, will be nothing more than a set of country-specific networks where local prejudices and fears are reinforced by technology. Our specific objections concern Singapore's decision to regulate the Internet as if it were a broadcast medium. Unlike broadcast media, the Internet is the first truly mass medium. Through e-mail, it allows individuals with nothing more than a computer and a modem to express their views to an international audience. Even the World Wide Web differs significantly from a broadcast medium in that individuals are not confronted with a particular site upon connecting to the Web--they may choose whichever sites they choose to visit. As with other forms of Internet communication, anyone may put up his or her own site on the Web. The Singapore government's own use of Web pages demonstrates how the Internet can be used to propound a particular point of view. Its citizens, so long as they are not using their site to incite to violence, should have the same opportunity to express views as their government. As stated in Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression: this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. We are particularly concerned that restrictions have been placed on Singaporeans who wish to discuss religious and political ideas online. It is only through unrestricted discussions of such serious topics by all members of society, no matter how unpopular their views, that these subjects become less explosive. Forbidding discussion--in effect, treating its citizens like children--will, on the other hand, ensure that dangerous topics remain just that. We are also concerned that the extraordinarily broad categories of forbidden content, as outlined by the SBA, will encourage arbitrary restrictions on communication. According to the Internet Content Guidelines, the following topics are banned. Public Security and National Defense a. Contents which jeopardize public security or national defense. b. Contents which undermine the public confidence in the administration of justice. c. Contents which present information or events in such a way that alarms or misleads all or any of the public. d. Contents which tend to bring the Government into hatred or contempt, or which excite disaffection against the Government. Racial and Religious Harmony a. Contents which denigrate or satirize any racial or religious group. b. Contents which bring any race or religion into hatred or resentment. c. Contents which promote religious deviations or occult practices such as Satanism. Public Morals a. Contents which are pornographic or otherwise obscene. b. Contents which propagate permissiveness or promiscuity. c. Contents which depict or propagate gross exploitation of violence, nudity, sex or horror. d. Contents which depict or propagate sexual perversions such as homosexuality, lesbianism, and pedophilia. By banning such subjects a chill will be sent through the online community in Singapore, and will render the Internet essentially useless in allowing any kind of serious discussion. In addition to forbidding particular content, the government has also announced that some sites will be banned. Internet service providers were given the deadline of September 14, 1996, to begin using proxy servers--devices that can prohibit connections to specified sites--to connect all their subscribers. Although the government has promised to use a light hand in regulating the Internet, its activities even at this early stage indicate otherwise. A July 12 posting in the Usenet newsgroup "soc.culture.singapore" was reportedly removed at the request of the SBA, who asked local Internet service providers for its removal because it alleged that lawyers at a local law firm were incompetent. The request came, according to the Straits Times, after the law firm complained to the government. Despite the removal from the newsgroup, the message is still widely available to Singaporeans through other Internet sources, indicating that content control will be difficult unless Internet access is restricted even further. We hope that the Singapore government will retract these repressive new regulations, and support the development of an unfettered Internet. Instead of using its power to restrict Internet use, the government could play a truly useful role by devising ways to expand its use to even the most disaffected members of its population. Sincerely, Sidney Jones Executive Director cc: Mr. Goh Liang Kwang, Chief Executive Officer, Singapore Broadcasting Authority Ambassador Bilahari Kausikan, Permanent Mission of Singapore to the United Nations ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:09:26 -0500 Subject: Mormons blame Net for bad things Who was it that said: "The Internet: Threat or Menace?" :) - -Declan *** From: "Deana Holmes" To: cypherpunks@toad.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 18:52:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Another thing the Net is being blamed for... Priority: normal Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Yet another thing that we're being blamed for. FYI, the temple ceremony has been reproduced many times since it was first exposed in the 1840s. The most recent revision (1990) was kept secret for only a short time before notorious former members got ahold of a tape and transcript of the ceremony. (I have a good idea of how they got it.) As far as I can tell, it didn't actually make it on to the Net until about 1994. This particular Mormon churchman (Russell Ballard) gave a speech a year or so ago warning Mormons in vague terms about the evils of the Internet. I suppose this is part of it. ===== >From this morning's Rolley&Wells column in the Salt Lake Tribune (without permission): "During a press tour this week of the LDS [Mormon] Church's new Mount Timpanogos Temple in American Fork, a member of the news media asked why a writtem copy of the temple ceremony was not given to members with temple recommends so they could study it in the privacy of their homes. Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles informed the reporter that there was no need. A church member had 'broken the covenant' -- taped the ceremony, transcribed it, and put it on the Internet for all to read." Deana M. Holmes April 1996 poster child for clueless $cientology litigiousness alt.religion.scientology archivist since 2/95 mirele@xmission.com ------------------------------ From: j.stokes@student.anu.edu.au (Jason Stokes) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:19:47 +1000 Subject: Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn Stanton McCandlish wrote: [..] >> Note the ISPs are stressing the newsgroups are "pedophile" areas. But the >> FT report paints the situation much more broadly -- Internet providers are >> blocking "pornography." > >Almost certainly true. It's highly unlikely that there are 20 child >pornographic newsgroups. [..] >The British police would be doing a far better job if they monitored the >contents of the newgroups in question and worked to locate those posting >any genuine child porn, and prosecute them (with an eye to the fact that >its very easy to create fake child porn with modern graphics editors. >That may be illegal in Canada, but it's probably not in the UK, or >anywhere else, since such a law is truly inane.) You're forgetting the tortuous British obscenity laws. For example, it's illegal to show an erect penis in Britain. The police are just trying enforce the censorious powers the government has always given them. Cheers, Jason Stokes: j.stokes@student.anu.edu.au ------------------------------ From: beeson@usa.pipeline.com (Ann Beeson) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:14:12 GMT Subject: ACLU Gives Princeton an "F" for Barring Political Speech on its Network AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS News Release August 15, 1996 - ---------------------------------------------------- Free Speech 101: ACLU Gives Princeton University an "F" for Barring Political Speech on its Network FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, August 15, 1996 Contact: Ann Beeson, ACLU National (212) 944-9800, x788 David Rocah, ACLU of New Jersey (201) 642-2084 NEW YORK--In a letter sent today to Princeton University officials, the American Civil Liberties Union urged them to reconsider a policy barring students and staff from using the computer network for "political purposes." The letter was sparked by complaints the ACLU national office received over a recent memo from Princeton officials advising faculty, staff and students, "especially in this year of a presidential election," that the school's not-for-profit status barred it from allowing use of the computer network "for political purposes." The ACLU called this conclusion mistaken, pointing out in its letter that the Internal Revenue Code specifies that only the University itself is barred from political activity -- not faculty, staff, or students acting independently. In fact, the ACLU said, the IRS has previously held that statements in support of political candidates appearing on the editorial page of a student newspaper would not be considered violations of a university's 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. "Because there exists no legitimate reason for Princeton's blanket prohibition of political speech over the computer network," the ACLU letter stated, "it is an unjustified content-based restriction on the free expression rights of students, faculty and staff. Therefore, the policy is not only unworthy of a great university like Princeton, it is in violation of the New Jersey State Constitution." The letter was signed by ACLU national staff attorney Ann Beeson and David Rocah, staff attorney of the ACLU of New Jersey. "We understand the university's concerns regarding it's tax-exempt status," Rocah said. "But this is free speech 101. Sadly, Princeton is not making the grade." Rocah said the ACLU would consider legal action if the university refuses to drop its censorship policy. "Traditionally, college campuses are the center of political discussion and debate," said Beeson. "The fact that the debate is taking place on the Internet does not mean that the speech is any less deserving of protection." Beeson added that the policy could bar students and staff from a wide range of protected expression, including downloading position papers from the Dole or Clinton website; sending e-mail to their parents urging them to vote for Ralph Nader; and organizing online discussion groups for student chapters of politically active groups such as Greenpeace. In short, Rocah said, "Everything that would be acceptable, even welcome, off-line, becomes off-limits on the Internet." In its letter, the ACLU called on the school to take a leadership role in the academic community: "As a school with a well-deserved reputation as a leader in American higher education, Princeton should be the first to promote and defend academic freedom and freedom of expression within its community, to the very limits of the law," the letter said. Beeson added that the ACLU is working to develop model guidelines for colleges and universities to help sort out the confusion in academia regarding free expression on the Internet. Many schools have already put in place "Appropriate Use Policies" to police student and faculty computer use, some of which violate rights of free expression, Beeson said. [The full text of the ACLU letter and Princeton memo are also available through the ACLU's website and America Online site (keyword: ACLU).] ------------------------------ End of fight-censorship-digest V1 #185 ************************************** To subscribe to fight-censorship-digest, send the command: subscribe fight-censorship-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@vorlon.mit.edu". 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For more information, read the complete list archives, at: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 18:25:35 PDT 1996 Article: 65229 of can.politics Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.online-service,talk.politics.guns,talk.poltics.crypto,alt.sex,alt.censorship.canada.dumb,talk.abortion,uk.politics,se.politics,ne.politics Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.jumppoint.com!n2van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Roger Healy) Subject: fight-censorship-digest V1 #186 Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: Qut X-Justiceoncampusurl: http://joc.mit.edu/ X-No-Archive: yes Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:01:54 GMT X-Url: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ Lines: 1377 Sender: qut@netcom15.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca can.politics:65229 alt.censorship:94761 alt.online-service:13698 talk.politics.guns:300114 alt.sex:182606 talk.abortion:182250 fight-censorship-digest Friday, 16 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 186 In this issue: Full Text of ACLU Letter to Princeton re: Computer Use Policy "Huskers" and University of Nebraska policies More on G-7 and bomb-making info online: a Canadian perspective Phyllis Schlafly on Clinton's Big Brother boondoggles London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban Re: London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban British Obscenity and ISPs BOUNCE fight-censorship-announce: Approval required Scientology begins PGP crack attempt Stockholm children's conf slams Net kiddie-porn, remailers See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the fight-censorship or fight-censorship-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beeson@usa.pipeline.com (Ann Beeson) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:29:11 GMT Subject: Full Text of ACLU Letter to Princeton re: Computer Use Policy AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION NATIONAL LEGAL DEPARTMENT 132 West 43rd Street New York, New York 10036 - ------------------------------ August 15, 1996 Mr. Harold Shapiro President BY FACSIMILE, E-MAIL, & REGULAR MAIL 1 Nassau Hall Princeton University Princeton NJ 85044 RE: Computer Use Policy Dear President Shapiro: In response to complaints we have received from members of the Princeton University community, we write on behalf of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey (ACLU-NJ) to urge you to reconsider the policy prohibiting members of the University >from using the Princeton's computer network for "political purposes." We believe that the policy is based on a misunderstanding of the law regarding the University's tax-exempt status, and restricts free speech and academic freedom rights guaranteed by Art. I, par. 6 of the New Jersey Constitution. Princeton University's decision to offer its faculty, staff and students widespread access to the University's computer network and the Internet greatly expanded the resources available for academic research. It also provided a new and exciting forum for the free communication of ideas. In contrast, Princeton's decision to prohibit the use of the network for "political purposes" unjustifiably interferes with the right of the University community to exchange ideas freely, regardless of their content. Princeton's current computer use policy holds that "the Computing and network resources of the University may not be used by members of the University community for commercial or political purposes or for financial gain . . . ." Trustees of Princeton University, Rights, Rules, Responsibilities 11 (1993) (emphasis added) (hereinafter "Rights," attached as Appendix A). On July 19, 1996, the Office of the General Counsel sent an e-mail to members of the University community warning them that any use of the Internet or computer network for "any participation in, or intervention in, (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office" would result in disciplinary action. See Office of the General Counsel, "Internet use and Politics," E-mail of July 19, 1996, attached as Appendix B. We understand that the rationale behind the computer use policy is a concern that the University will lose its tax-exempt status, under Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3), if it allows members of the University community to use the computer network for political purposes. We believe that this concern is misplaced, based on the policies and rulings of the Internal Revenue Service. Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3) provides that an educational organization will be tax-exempt as long as it "does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office." The Internal Revenue Service has clarified that in order to constitute participation or intervention in a political campaign, the political activity must be that of the University itself and not the individual activity of its faculty, staff, or students. See Internal Revenue Service, Exempt Organizations Technical Institution Program for 1993 426-27 (1993), attached as Appendix C. Thus, any personal communication by University members over the computer network cannot threaten Princeton's tax-exempt status. The fact that Princeton provides the computing facilities over which the communication takes place does not change this conclusion. The Internal Revenue Service has stated that a principal factor in determining whether the provision of university facilities to a group engaged in political activities will constitute participation in a political campaign by the university under Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3), is whether the facilities are provided on an equal basis to groups using them for non-political reasons. Id. at 427. Princeton provides fair and equal access to the computer network, including e-mail and World Wide Web access, to all University members, and allows use of the network for a variety of non-political purposes. See Rights at 11. Thus, political speech over the network will not jeopardize Princeton's tax-exempt status. Even use of the computer network for political purposes in connection with a particular course would not jeopardize Princeton's 501(c)(3) status. The Internal Revenue Service has previously held that a university that required its students in a certain political science course to participate in a political campaign of the student's choice for 60 to 80 hours during the semester was not participating in political campaigns within the meaning of Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3). See Revenue Ruling 75-512, 1972-2 C.B. 246, attached as Appendix D. In addition, student organizations are able to publish political views on the computer network without threatening Princeton's tax-exempt status. The Internal Revenue Service has held that a university was not participating in a political campaign within the meaning of Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3), when statements made in support of political candidates appeared on the editorial page of a student newspaper. This was true despite the university's provision of financial support and facilities to the newspaper, as long as the views expressed in the newspaper were clearly those of the students and not of the university itself. See Revenue Ruling 75-513, 1972-2 C.B. 246, attached as Appendix E. Accordingly, Princeton University does not risk its tax-exempt status by allowing University members to use its computer network for political purposes. We recognize that Princeton has a legitimate interest in ensuring that the individual views of its members not be mistaken for official positions of the University. At most, the only permissible regulation that Princeton might desire is one requiring a member of the University community, who uses Princeton's name in a way that could lead a reasonable person to interpret the author's statement as an official position of the University, to include a disclaimer clarifying that the opinions expressed over the computer network are those of the author alone. Compare Rights, "Guidelines Relating to the Tax-Exempt Status of the University and Political Activities," at Section 3. Because there exists no legitimate reason for Princeton's blanket prohibition of political speech over the computer network, it is an unjustified, content-based restriction on the free expression rights of students, faculty and staff. Therefore, the policy is not only unworthy of a great University like Princeton, it is in violation of Art. I, par. 6 of the New Jersey Constitution. Although Princeton University is not a state university, the New Jersey Supreme Court has held the Princeton University campus to have been sufficiently devoted to expressive uses so as to require the University to honor the State constitutional guarantee of free expression. See State v. Schmid, 84 N.J. 535, 564-65 (1980); see also New Jersey Coalition Against the War in the Middle East v. J.M.B. Realty Corp., 138 N.J. 326 (1994) (holding that regional shopping malls were sufficiently open to expressive use so as to extend state constitutional right to leaflet). Princeton's computer facilities are as much a part of the Princeton "campus" as are the lawns and buildings. Princeton may not constitutionally restrict its students, faculty, and staff from engaging in political speech over the Internet any more than it could prohibit them from engaging in such speech in the dorm rooms, classrooms, halls, lawns, and offices of the campus. Political expression has always received the highest degree of constitutional protection. See Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 14 (1976). The Constitution was written with the intention to protect from censorship those who wish to express their political beliefs and their support for political candidates. Indeed, "where political speech is involved, our tradition insists that government `allow the widest room for discussion, the narrowest range for restriction.'" State v. Miller, 83 N.J. 402, 412 (1980). As a school with a well-deserved reputation as a leader in American higher education, Princeton should be the first to promote and defend academic freedom and freedom of expression within its community, to the very limits of the law. The computer use policy, read literally, also infringes upon the free speech rights of Princeton faculty, staff, and students to receive information. Lamont v. Postmaster General, 381 U.S. 301, 307 (1965) (right to receive information precludes government from labeling certain publications "propaganda") (Brennan, J., concurring); Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479-482-83 (1965) ("right of freedom of speech . . . includes not only the right to utter or print, but the right to . . . receive, the right to read . . . and freedom of inquiry, freedom of thought, and freedom to teach . . . . Without these peripheral rights the specific rights would be less secure."); Kreimer v. Bur. of Police for Town of Morristown, 958 F.2d 1242, 1350-55 (3d Cir. 1992) (listing cases). This is because the University's computer facilities, although located on the Princeton campus, are a gateway to a virtual, worldwide community. See ACLU v. Reno, 1996 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 7919 (E.D. Pa., June 11, 1996). They provide a unique means for students, faculty, and staff to access information on virtually any topic, including politics. Finally, the computer use policy is in conflict with other University policies and practices. Princeton recognizes that "the central purposes of a University are the pursuit of truth, the discovery of new knowledge through scholarship and research, the teaching and general development of students, and the transmission of knowledge and learning to society at large. Free inquiry and free expression within the academic community are indispensable to the achievement of these goals. The freedom to teach and to learn depends upon the creation of appropriate conditions and opportunities on the campus as a whole as well as in classrooms and lecture halls." Rights, Introduction to "Principles of General Conduct and Regulations." With respect to political speech, the University also recognizes that it has a fundamental responsibility to ensure "the opportunity for all members of the University community to exercise their prerogatives as citizens. . . . Encouragement of an interest in public affairs and the furthering of a sense of social responsibility have long been considered important elements of a liberal education. The University continues to consider self-chosen participation in political and social action by individuals and groups to be a valuable part of the educational experience it seeks to encourage. Such activities on the part of individuals or groups do not, and should not be taken to, imply commitment of the University to any partisan political position or point of view." Rights, Introduction to "Guidelines Relating to Tax Exempt Status." For all of the above reasons, we strongly urge you to repeal the existing ban on use of the computer network for political purposes, and we look forward to your early reply. Sincerely, Ann Beeson, Staff Attorney American Civil Liberties Union National Legal Department 132 West 43rd Street New York, New York 10036 (212) 944-9800 x788 David Rocah, Staff Attorney American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey 2 Washington Place Newark, NJ 07102 (201) 642-2086 cc: Office of General Counsel ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:58:04 -0500 Subject: "Huskers" and University of Nebraska policies The University of Nebraska is threatening web pages that have the word "Husker" in their title, according to the message attached below. Guess they'll have to go after these sites too: Husker Power web site Asger Schnack: Jeg Husker Alt (AP) Husker QB Brook Berringer killed in plane crash near NU campus Husker Du Penstemon 'Husker Red' is 1996 Perennial Plant of the Year Husker midwestern home design Joel's Husker Page I've set up a web page at http://www.well.com/~declan/huskers.html and registered the URL with AltaVista and HotBot. It's called: "Husker web pages, the University of Nebraska, and braindead policies." I wonder what the university will do, if anything? This message is copied to some University of Nebraska administrators and faculty members. Redistribute freely. - -Declan [You may subscribe to fight-censorship by sending "subscribe" to fight-censorship-request@vorlon.mit.edu] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Husker Web Pages Must Cease To: huskers@pumpkin.tssi.com Subject: Husker Web Pages Must Cease From: mfricke@serv01.net-link.net (Mark E. Fricke) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:59:55 -0400 I hate to be the bearer of real bad news, but if you have a personal web site on the internet that features any logos, graphics, audio or even the page name of Cornhusker or Husker (like the Husker Press Box) be prepared to get a Cease and desist letter from the University of Nebraska's attorney's. The problem is simple. A lot of money has been paid to license the name and logo's of the Huskers and there are many business interests to protect. Pinnacle Broadcasting is the exclusive rights holder for internet usage of the name and logos (and you thought the live broadcasts were all good). Now..there are a couple of things we can do. #1 remove all references to Huskers, Big Red, Cornhuskers etc. from THE PAGES TITLE. You can still talk about, mention, berate or praise the team within the page, just not in the page title. The reason here is that the University wants all search engines (yahoo, excite, infoseek etc.) to send searches for the Huskers to their site (huskerwebcast) #2 remove all licensed logo's, pictures of Herbie audio of the band etc. from your site. #3 There is one more solution. Huskerwebcast will allow pages to exist as they are if they are housed within THEIR page. Wether that mean they will have hyperlinks to these hidden pages or if you will actually have to set up an account and an FTP site to their server I'm not clear on. I'm awaiting confirmation on this. Okay, now my personal views. Yeah it's a bummer...a great big bummer. I really don't see how private personal pages could possibly infringe on the marketing dollars of the University (except for logos, you got me there) But PAGE NAMES?!?!. They seem a little greedy fo rthe traffic. I'm no lawyer (maybe some of you out there are and know something about public domain)so I will do what I must with the Husker Press Box. I will still provide the page in some manner, either changing the name or joining the University page. Luckily I have already been extended an offer to do that. I will wait and see. My advise to other Husker wep page masters. Be ready for a letter and be ready to reacte. this is a big University with lots of money and lots of attorney's Mark Fricke ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:04:10 -0500 Subject: More on G-7 and bomb-making info online: a Canadian perspective http://www.now.com/issues/current/News/tech.html Bomb info OK in books but G-7 wants it off Net By COLMAN JONES While the fury over child porn on the net appears to be losing steam after the defeat of the Communications Decency Act in June, there's a a growing new cyber-backlash against terrorists. At a meeting in Paris last month, just before the downing of TWA flight 800 and the bombing in Atlanta, Group of Seven (G7) foreign ministers and security ministers struck an agreement to target terrorists using the internet. The pact calls for international controls on the net to cut off access to sites containing "dangerous" information, restrict electronic speech by unpopular political organizations and allow governments to decode privately encrypted communications. The Paris meeting ended with a commitment to have reports ready by the end of the year on ways of instituting such restrictions. [...] Bomb info Many press accounts fume about bomb-making information available online, without mentioning that the "offensive'' material being targeted is no different from identical material easily obtained in public libraries, college libraries and bookstores. A case in point is the World's Biggest Bookstore, which stocks the Anarchist Cookbook, a virtual how-to guide to subversive activity, also available online. Canada's foreign affairs minister, Lloyd Axworthy, who helped to draw up the Paris agreement, cited the fact that his his 11-year-old son showed him how to access extremist literature from the World Wide Web. Axworthy's spokesperson, Catherine Lappe, says the pact is "not an issue of trying to censor people" . "If you look at the communique, it says very clearly that all this would have to be in compliance with national laws, so the issues of privacy would be of utmost importance.'' [...] ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:04:00 -0500 Subject: Phyllis Schlafly on Clinton's Big Brother boondoggles A longtime anti-porn crusader, Phyllis Schlafly generally is no friend of free speech -- but I welcome her insightful and timely comments, attached below. Privacy does cut through ideological lines. I seem to recall that the Christian Coalition, a fiery supporter of the CDA, opposed the Clipper Chip. - -Declan - --- Clinton Is Trying to be Big Brother August 8, 1996 by Phyllis Schlafly We hope the appropriate government agencies will soon solve the recent terrorist crimes and punish the criminals. But all Americans who care about civil liberties should vigorously resist President Clinton's attempt to use the terrorist attacks as an excuse to carry on his all-out war against the personal privacy of law-abiding Americans. This mind-set was first revealed in the Clinton health care bill, which would have given the government computer access to the medical records of all Americans. Fortunately, that totalitarian takeover of the health care industry was rejected. The Clinton Administration's education legislation now pending in Congress would put personal information about all schoolchildren -- academic, medical, attitudinal, behavioral, and family -- into an expanded Labor Market Information database available to the government, as well as to prospective employers. Now the Clinton Administration is trying to make it illegal for individual Americans to have private conversations with one another. That's the real meaning of its effort to control encryption technology, and it's a direct assault on the First Amendment. It would be downright ridiculous to assert that the First Amendment guarantees our right to speak in public but not in private. It would be just as ridiculous to say that we have freedom to speak in words that the government can understand, but not in words the government can't decipher. Americans have the right to speak to one another in private, behind closed doors, and we should likewise have the right to speak to one another in code and to put our coded messages on computer in a process called encryption. Americans would not tolerate the government opening and reading the letters we send through the mails, and we should not tolerate the government opening and reading our encrypted, or coded, messages sent via computer. Yet, Attorney General Janet Reno, FBI Director Louis Freeh, and Vice President Al Gore are all demanding the authority to read our encrypted messages. In a speech to the Commonwealth Club of California, Reno bluntly stated her demand for "ensuring law enforcement access to encrypted data.'' Reno boasted that there is "a consensus'' that the government should create a system known as "Key Escrow'' (i.e., a supposedly "neutral third party''), to which all Americans should be forced to "entrust'' the keys to their encrypted messages, and to which the government would have access. On the contrary, there is no such consensus. Do you trust Janet Reno with access to your private messages? Do you trust the FBI to keep your files confidential? The Clinton Administration is already doing 30 to 40 percent more federal telephone wiretaps and other electronic surveillance than the last year of the Bush Administration. Those figures don't even include national security wiretaps or the hundreds of extensions granting more time for wiretap orders already issued. FBI Director Freeh wrote the New York Times last November that "There is no intention to expand the number of wiretaps or the extent of wiretapping." Four months later, FBI documents revealed that the FBI does, in fact, plan to increase electronic surveillance 54 percent by 1998 and 130 percent by 2004. On July 12, Al Gore announced that the Administration will continue to push for the adoption of a massive public key infrastructure to give the government access to all encrypted communications. In a blatant bid for a police-state surveillance society, Gore warned about "the dangers of unregulated encryption technology." A neutral panel of the National Research Council was set up to make policy recommendations about encryption. The panel called on the government to abandon its efforts to restrict encryption. The NSC panel concluded that increased use of encryption would enhance our national security, not diminish it. Thirteen out of its 16 members had security clearances with access to secret information, and they saw no national security reason to justify the Clinton policy. The Clinton Administration bases its campaign to control private encryption on the alleged need to fight crime through wiretapping. However, the NSC panel concluded that the ability of the private sector to transfer confidential financial and other data over the information highway without interception is far more important. New technologies have given government awesome power to spy on individuals. The Filegate investigation accidentally uncovered the shocking news that, as soon as Bill Clinton entered the White House in 1993, he secretly spent $400,000 on software to create a highly sophisticated computer database to track detailed political, financial, attitudinal, and personal biographical information on 200,000 people, including members of Congress and the media. Known as WHODB for White House Office Data Base, the system was nicknamed Big Brother. Encryption is a First Amendment issue, not a crime issue. If the Clinton Administration is allowed to control encryption, it would be the biggest expansion of federal power since the passage of the Income Tax Amendment in 1913. EAGLE FORUM -- eagle@eagleforum.org PO Box 618 Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 ---------------------------------------------- Are you on our E-mail list? Tell a friend about us! http://www.eagleforum.org ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:18:34 -0500 Subject: London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban Recently the London police sent a letter to U.K. Internet providers saying that 133 Usenet newsgroups must be banned. >From observations at , it's clear that: the Police regard ISPs as publishers the publication of obscene materials is an offence the Police expect ISPs to continuously monitor newsgroups and to remove those which contain illegal materials More ominously, the letter says "Furthermore, this list is not exhaustive and we are looking to you to monitor your Newsgroups identifying and taking necessary action against those others found to contain such material... This list is only the starting point..." Also, the police have said they have the power to arrest Internet providers and seize their equipment. This move by the Brits is disappointing, but perhaps not surprising. I have background about many more international net-censorship attempts at: http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/ - -Declan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>Usenet/alt.censorship 98310 ....internet header cut.... Subject: Re: POLICE CENSORSHIP - HERE, NOW IN THE UK Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:28:38 GMT On Wed, 14 Aug 96 17:39:54 GMT, andyc@waverider.co.uk (Andy Cowan) wrote: To all subscribers: Our upstream provider, VBCNet, has informed us that today, they, and other ISPs in the UK have received a notification from the Metropolitan Police to remove 134 news groups from their news servers. Therefore, we are no longer being fed these groups. As many of you will have seen, recently, in a thread in the waverider.support newsgroup, Wave Rider Internet Plc are opposed to such censorship as a matter of principle - as I know many of you are. The letter from the Met makes it clear that this is only the beginning - they plan to ban whatever newsgroups they see fit over the coming months. We urge you all to protest this action - use the media, contact your MPs, generate whatever protest you see fit - or the UK Internet is going to be operated by the whim of the Clubs & Vice unit of the Metropolitan Police. At present, Wave Rider Internet Plc have received no such notification from the police, and will therefore not be removing any groups. However, as we're not being fed them anymore, that's academic - there will shortly be nothing in them. I am enclosing the copy of the letter from the Met, that we have been sent by VBCNet. Andy Cowan Technical Director Wave Rider Internet Plc PS: I will follow this later with my own, personal views. This is an official statement. [...] - --- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dale Amon The CDA sickness begun in the US is now spreading into Europe. This was recieved from our upstream provider in London (I am a director on an ISP in Northern Ireland) Anyone who wishes to write to the Gestapo Commandant and tell him off is more than welcome. Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:33:52 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Dixon To: euro-customers@vbc.net Subject: police censorship Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Like other UK ISPs, VBCnet today received a demand from the Metropolitan Police that some 134 news groups be deleted from our news machines. The letter makes it clear that this is only the beginning, that they will be banning more groups and requiring ISPs to enforce their dictats. We have with great reluctance complied with their demand. While we do not disagree that the articles in some of these groups are often objectionable, we disagree in principle with this form of censorship. We urge all of you to make it clear to your customers why these news groups have been withdrawn and we urge you to contact your MPs and the media about this arbitrary action by the police. If there is no protest, if a precedent is established, the UK Internet is going to fall under the control of the Clubs and Vice Unit at Charing Cross Police Station. VBCnet is setting up a Web page to protest this action. It should be available at http://www.uk.vbc.net/censorship by the end of the day. We will add pointers to other protesting Web pages -- well, the ones that are calm and reasonable. ;-) - -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 http://www.uk.vbc.net VBCnet West +1 408 971 2682 fax +1 408 971 2684 - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 9th August 1996 METROPOLITAN POLICE SERVICE Clubs and Vice Unit Charing Cross Police Station Agar Street London WC2N 4JP Telephone: 0171 321 7752 Facsimile: 0171 321 7762 To: All Internet Service Providers Dear Sir / Madam Pornographic Material on the Internet Further to the seminar held at New Scotland Yard on 2nd August I enclose, as promised by Superintendent Mike Hoskins, a list of those Newsgroups which we believe contain pornographic material. We have attempted to confirm that the Newsgroups listed currently contain this offensive material but as you will be only too aware the content is continually changing and you will need to satisfy yourself about the nature and content before taking any action. Furthermore, this list is not exhaustive and we are looking to you to monitor your Newsgroups identifying and taking necessary action against those others found to contain such material. As you will be aware the publication of obscene articles is an offence. This list is only the starting point and we hope, with the co-operation and assistance of the industry and your trade organisations, to be moving quickly towards the eradication of this type of Newsgroup from the Internet. At the seminar we debated the means of maintaining an up to date list and you will recall that ISPA volunteered to pool information and assist in this initiative. However, we are very anxious that all service providers should be taking positive action now, whether or not they are members of a trade association. We trust that with your co-operation and self regulation it will not be necessary for us to move to an enforcement policy. 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0000001078 y alt.sex.super-size 0000001987 0000000711 y alt.sex.tasteless 0000001003 0000000202 y alt.sex.teens 0000002394 0000000540 y alt.sex.video-swap 0000001363 0000000489 y alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.black.male 0000012581 0000012054 y alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children 0000005812 0000005117 y alt.sex.sm.fig 0000006729 0000004915 y ------------------------------ From: j.stokes@student.anu.edu.au (Jason Stokes) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:02:15 +1000 Subject: Re: London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban >Recently the London police sent a letter to U.K. Internet providers saying >that 133 Usenet newsgroups must be banned. > >>From observations at , it's clear that: > > the Police regard ISPs as publishers > the publication of obscene materials is an offence > the Police expect ISPs to continuously monitor newsgroups and > to remove those which contain illegal materials > >More ominously, the letter says "Furthermore, this list is not exhaustive >and we are looking to you to monitor your Newsgroups identifying and taking >necessary action against those others found to contain such material... >This list is only the starting point..." Also, the police have said they >have the power to arrest Internet providers and seize their equipment. > >This move by the Brits is disappointing, but perhaps not surprising. I have >background about many more international net-censorship attempts at: > http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/ You got it. Forget international connectivity - most governments are trying to erect a checkpoint at every virtual border. I have this horrible fear that in 2005 or so world leaders are going to say something like: "We had to destroy the global village in order to save it." ------------------------------ From: Declan McCullagh Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: British Obscenity and ISPs - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Platt To: Declan McCullagh Subject: British Obscenity For fight-cen, if you want it: - ------------------------------ First, British obscenity is more restrictively defined (by precedent) than in the United States, and there is no written Constitution to fall back on. The ultimate court of appeal is the House of Lords, where elderly gentlemen are not known for their progressive thinking. A publisher friend of mine in Britain has twice served time in prison during the past fifteen years. Second, and very relevant to the recent announcement by British police, under British law the PRINTER of a publication is liable for obscenity along with the publisher and the writer. Historically this has made it quite difficult to get sexually explicit or otherwise "dangerous" material into print in Britain. It seems fairly clear that since an ISP offers a service vaguely analogous to that of a printer (i.e. making multiple copies of a document without regard to its content), there is ample precedent for the British authorities to hold ISPs liable for their message traffic. Consequently we will either see a fundamental revision of the British attitude toward culpability (unlikely!) or self-censorship by ISPs will cause the net in Britain will go the same way as print media and videos in Britain: there will be nothing more salacious or dangerous than innuendo of the type perfected by Benny Hill. This is of course is an art form in its own right; but I am very glad I made my decision to emigrate from Britain 25 years ago. - --Charles ############################################################## Charles Platt / 1133 Broadway, room 1214 / New York / NY 10010 Phone 212 929 3983 email cp@panix.com fax 212 807 6111 ------------------------------ From: owner-fight-censorship-announce@vorlon.mit.edu Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:24:33 -0400 Subject: BOUNCE fight-censorship-announce: Approval required >From owner-fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu Fri Aug 16 08:24:29 1996 Received: from mail.Clark.Net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by vorlon.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA32193 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:24:25 -0400 Received: from clark.net (root@clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA10264; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caj-ppp.clark.net (caj-ppp.clark.net [168.143.2.105]) by clark.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA24529; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608161224.IAA24529@clark.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Craig A. Johnson" To: Cyber Rights Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:05:35 +0000 Subject: Re: cr> VTW and Republicans CC: cpsr-nii@sunnyside.com, fight-censorship-announce@vorlon.mit.edu, TPR-NE@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Shabbir Safdar wrote: > > Craig Johnson, in a recent article, mentions that Republicans are > responsible for the CDA, and other travesties of the Bill of Rights. I happen to think that these Internet issues that we all hold so dear are interlinked with ideological positions, which is why I am severely critical of Clinton and co. and Congressional Democrats as well. I also don't happen to think that supporting "net issues" in splendid isolation from political reality makes much sense, and on the contrary, can be damaging to liberty and democracy. The VTW notice in question read like a propaganda tract for the Republican convention. As for the CDA, it was hatched by Exon and Gorton, barely 40 seconds were spent discussing it in markup of S. 652 (as I witnessed, and Brock Meeks wrote at the time), and virtually all Republican Senators supported it. As Shabbir well knows, the House bill and the Senate bill had to be reconciled in conference committee. With the Christian Coalition, Enough is Enough, and a passle of other benighted groups -- which could be seen pulling levers this week at the Republican convention - -- lobbying heavily for censorship, the outcome was reasonably predictable. Yes, Cox-Wyden was a great thing and all. We all know that. However, it didn't make it through conference largely because of the persuasive powers of that great civil libertarian Henry Hyde, chair of the Judiciary Committee and lapdog of the Christian Coalition *and* because of the stupidity of three Democratic Representatives, Schroeder, Conyers, and Jackson-Lee, who voted against the White "harmful to minors" replacement language in a House conferees' caucus. Incidentally, it is debatable whether a "harmful to minors standard," as advocated by White, would have been much of an improvement over the CDA. One still would have had every local hack prosecutor interpreting the statute as he/she saw fit, even though the "harmful to minors" standard had been constitutionally tested elsewhere. And, let us be *very* clear on this: It was that great friend of the Internet, Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), Shabbir's crypto hero, who offered the amendment in the closed caucus session which gutted the White idea, threw out Cox-Wyden, and retained the Hyde language. The Republican Net lovers were not much in evidence in the conference committee, which after all, is where the serious power to decide the final outcome of these matters resided. The leadership, aka Larry Pressler, Henry Hyde, and Tom Bliley all supported pro-censorship, and Gingrich rode the wave, despite his earlier protestations to the contrary. A couple other notes which may be minor to VTW but are very significant to some. Cox is on record as opposing the Snowe-Rockefeller-Kerrey amendment to S. 652, the much-praised "universal service" provisions which mandate, among other things that: (a) "quality services should be available at just, reasonable, and affordable rates" (b) "access to advanced telecommunications services and information services should be provided in all regions of the Nation"; and that (c) "consumers in all regions of the Nation, including low-income consumers and those in rural, insular, and high cost areas, should have access to telecommunications services and information services . . . that are reasonably comparable to those services provided in urban areas and that are available at rates that are reasonably comparable to rates charged for similar services in urban areas." There is also a provision requiring "access to advanced telecommunications services for schools, health care, and libraries" and a definition of universal service that describes it as "an evolving level of telecommunications services." Most observers consider these provisions good things, which support the growth and vitality of the Internet. Cox did every thing he could to stymie them however, including offering his own amendment in subcommittee, which would have limited "universal service" to "voice-grade telephone service." Truly a pro-Internet stance! And, Aschcroft, part of the rope-a-dope singing ensemble this week seen at the Republican convention, argued strenuously in committee and markup against the universal service provisions. What about the great freedom lover Bob Dole? Well, he was an original sponsor of the Grassley bill, S. 892 (which mirrored the Hyde approach in the Senate), and supported censorship at every turn. So while the Net may be "maturing," its champions need to learn to look at issues in the context of other valued social and political goals. - --caj @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ~ CYBER-RIGHTS ~ ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visit The Cyber-Rights Library, accessible via FTP or WWW at: ftp://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/Library/ http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/Library/ You are encouraged to forward and cross-post list traffic, pursuant to any contained copyright & redistribution restrictions. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Declan McCullagh Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Scientology begins PGP crack attempt Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.security.pgp From: grady@netcom.com (Grady Ward) Subject: Criminal cult begins PGP crack attempt Message-ID: The Special Master has informed me that Madame Kobrin has asked her to retain a PC expert to attempt to "crack" a series of pgp-encrypted multi-megabyte files that were seized along with more than a compressed gigabyte of other material from my safety deposit box. Ironically, they phoned to ask for assistance in supplying them with a prototype "crack" program that they could use in iterating and permuting possibilities. I did supply them a good core pgpcrack source that can search several tens of thousands of possible key phrases a seconds; I also suggested that they should at least be using a P6-200 workstation or better to make the search more efficient. The undercurrent is that this fresh hysterical attempt to "get" something on me coupled with the daily settlement pleas reflects the hopelessness of the litigation position of the criminal cult. It looks like the criminal cult has cast the die to ensure that the RTC vs Ward case is fought out to the bitter end. Which I modestly predict will be a devastating, humiliating defeat for them from a pauper pro per. I have given them a final settlement offer that they can leave or take. Actually they have a window of opportunity now to drop the suit since my counterclaims have been dismissed (although Jusge Whyte invited me to re-file a new counterclaim motion on more legally sufficiant basis). I think Keith and I have found a successful counter-strategy to the cult's system of litigation harassment. Meanwhile, I could use some help from veteran a.r.s'ers. I need any copy you have of the Cease and Desist letter that you may have received last year from Eliot Abelson quondam criminal cult attorney and Eugene Martin Ingram spokespiece. Physical mail: Grady Ward 3449 Martha Ct. Arcata, CA 95521-4884 JP's BMPs or fax-images to: grady@northcoast.com Thanks. Grady Ward Ps. I really do need all of your help and good wishes after all. Thanks for all of you keeping the net a safe place to insult kook kults. ------------------------------ From: Declan McCullagh Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stockholm children's conf slams Net kiddie-porn, remailers [The attached Reuters dispatch follows a recent issue of The Economist, which noted it was _legal_ to possess child pornography in Sweden -- the conference host country -- but _illegal_ to distribute it. Now the largely-ceremonial Swedish monarchy is campaigning to change tha law. - -Declan] // declan@eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan@well.com // - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:39:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Anonymous Internet Child Porn An Issue At Stockholm Congress STOCKHOLM - Distribution of child pornography on the Internet seems destined to top the issues at the world's first conference against sexual exploitation of children opening later this month in Stockholm. Activists are trying to devise ways of keeping pedophiles from peddling such material on the global computer network, which is already used as a billboard to advertise prostitution and sex tourism and to exchange adult pornography. But not everyone agrees that regulating the Internet or its 20 million users worldwide is the right move. [...] "The Internet is like heaven for the pedophile," said Toby Tyler, a United States police officer who lectures at the FBI Academy on child abuse. "As far as our ability to restrict the distribution of child pornography and stop the sexual exploitation of children on the Internet...it's not something that can be done." Campaigners are concerned that unless urgent action is taken to stamp out the Internet's distribution of child porn, whether it features real children or just computer generated images, it could spark greater demand for child pornography. "Neglecting to prohibit computer generated images could well re-establish the commercial trade -- filling bookstores with computer images, de-sensitizing society and fueling demand for such material," said campaigner Margaret Healy from Bangkok-based End Child Prostitution in Asian Tourism (ECPAT). Tyler said the Internet has ended the days when pedophiles had to make costly cross-border runs to buy child pornography in countries where laws were laxer and penalties lighter. Now they can obtain and distribute films and photos from their own homes on the Internet with little risk of capture. Tyler said the existence of anonymous re-mailers -- computer systems which accept material transmitted over computer lines and send it out again after coding its original address -- concealed the source of pornography on the Internet. [...] Tyler said the most widely used re-mailing system currently operates from Finland, through which about 99 percent of all child pornography with untraceable address codes passes. But Johan Helsingius, who runs a re-mailing system from Helsinki, said he did not think child pornography was a problem on the Internet or that any of the 10,000 messages which pass through his server daily contained child pornography. "To a large extent the net is self-regulating. As soon as you do something that offends enough people, measures will be taken by those who are involved with the net," he said. ECPAT's Healy said in a report prepared for the five-day Stockholm conference that opens on August 27 that the regulation of child pornography on computers presents special challenges and called on governments to fund better training. "The establishment of an international research organization with...specialists in the areas of investigation, law enforcement, behavioral science, prosecution, law and computer technology could be an invaluable resource for the global community," Healy said. ------------------------------ End of fight-censorship-digest V1 #186 ************************************** To subscribe to fight-censorship-digest, send the command: subscribe fight-censorship-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@vorlon.mit.edu". 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Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are a vexation to the spirit. If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interest in your own career ever humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. Do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be there. Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him. Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner. As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story. Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is. Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism. Consult the television listings for your loca l schedule. Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again. Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti. Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should. Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio. With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter. Racism is your best protection against crime. Strive to be independently wealthy. TO MY WHITE GIRL I love you Because you're white, Not because you're charming Or bright. Your whiteness is a silky thread Snaking through my thoughts In redhot patterns Of lust and desire. I love you Because you're white. Your white skin Is what dreams are made of. White is The skin of nobility. You're my Cleopatra, My Eva Braun, Symbol of the rope and black swastika, Of the burning cross. Loving you thus And siring your children that look like you, My heart is made for you. In happiness and duty. ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us Join the line, sign your name And they all said that our country's going bust But no one's fooled us again England belongs to me A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry OH-Oh, England belongs to ME! We showed the world that the boys are back to stay And you all know what we can do It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY For the red, white and blue England belongs to me A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry OH-Oh, England belongs to ME! +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++ +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++ +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++ From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 21:56:28 PDT 1996 Article: 300114 of talk.politics.guns Newsgroups: can.politics,alt.censorship,alt.online-service,talk.politics.guns,talk.poltics.crypto,alt.sex,alt.censorship.canada.dumb,talk.abortion,uk.politics,se.politics,ne.politics Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!news.jumppoint.com!n2van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Roger Healy) Subject: fight-censorship-digest V1 #186 Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: Qut X-Justiceoncampusurl: http://joc.mit.edu/ X-No-Archive: yes Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:01:54 GMT X-Url: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ Lines: 1377 Sender: qut@netcom15.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca can.politics:65229 alt.censorship:94761 alt.online-service:13698 talk.politics.guns:300114 alt.sex:182606 talk.abortion:182250 fight-censorship-digest Friday, 16 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 186 In this issue: Full Text of ACLU Letter to Princeton re: Computer Use Policy "Huskers" and University of Nebraska policies More on G-7 and bomb-making info online: a Canadian perspective Phyllis Schlafly on Clinton's Big Brother boondoggles London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban Re: London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban British Obscenity and ISPs BOUNCE fight-censorship-announce: Approval required Scientology begins PGP crack attempt Stockholm children's conf slams Net kiddie-porn, remailers See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the fight-censorship or fight-censorship-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beeson@usa.pipeline.com (Ann Beeson) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:29:11 GMT Subject: Full Text of ACLU Letter to Princeton re: Computer Use Policy AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION NATIONAL LEGAL DEPARTMENT 132 West 43rd Street New York, New York 10036 - ------------------------------ August 15, 1996 Mr. Harold Shapiro President BY FACSIMILE, E-MAIL, & REGULAR MAIL 1 Nassau Hall Princeton University Princeton NJ 85044 RE: Computer Use Policy Dear President Shapiro: In response to complaints we have received from members of the Princeton University community, we write on behalf of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey (ACLU-NJ) to urge you to reconsider the policy prohibiting members of the University >from using the Princeton's computer network for "political purposes." We believe that the policy is based on a misunderstanding of the law regarding the University's tax-exempt status, and restricts free speech and academic freedom rights guaranteed by Art. I, par. 6 of the New Jersey Constitution. Princeton University's decision to offer its faculty, staff and students widespread access to the University's computer network and the Internet greatly expanded the resources available for academic research. It also provided a new and exciting forum for the free communication of ideas. In contrast, Princeton's decision to prohibit the use of the network for "political purposes" unjustifiably interferes with the right of the University community to exchange ideas freely, regardless of their content. Princeton's current computer use policy holds that "the Computing and network resources of the University may not be used by members of the University community for commercial or political purposes or for financial gain . . . ." Trustees of Princeton University, Rights, Rules, Responsibilities 11 (1993) (emphasis added) (hereinafter "Rights," attached as Appendix A). On July 19, 1996, the Office of the General Counsel sent an e-mail to members of the University community warning them that any use of the Internet or computer network for "any participation in, or intervention in, (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office" would result in disciplinary action. See Office of the General Counsel, "Internet use and Politics," E-mail of July 19, 1996, attached as Appendix B. We understand that the rationale behind the computer use policy is a concern that the University will lose its tax-exempt status, under Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3), if it allows members of the University community to use the computer network for political purposes. We believe that this concern is misplaced, based on the policies and rulings of the Internal Revenue Service. Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3) provides that an educational organization will be tax-exempt as long as it "does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office." The Internal Revenue Service has clarified that in order to constitute participation or intervention in a political campaign, the political activity must be that of the University itself and not the individual activity of its faculty, staff, or students. See Internal Revenue Service, Exempt Organizations Technical Institution Program for 1993 426-27 (1993), attached as Appendix C. Thus, any personal communication by University members over the computer network cannot threaten Princeton's tax-exempt status. The fact that Princeton provides the computing facilities over which the communication takes place does not change this conclusion. The Internal Revenue Service has stated that a principal factor in determining whether the provision of university facilities to a group engaged in political activities will constitute participation in a political campaign by the university under Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3), is whether the facilities are provided on an equal basis to groups using them for non-political reasons. Id. at 427. Princeton provides fair and equal access to the computer network, including e-mail and World Wide Web access, to all University members, and allows use of the network for a variety of non-political purposes. See Rights at 11. Thus, political speech over the network will not jeopardize Princeton's tax-exempt status. Even use of the computer network for political purposes in connection with a particular course would not jeopardize Princeton's 501(c)(3) status. The Internal Revenue Service has previously held that a university that required its students in a certain political science course to participate in a political campaign of the student's choice for 60 to 80 hours during the semester was not participating in political campaigns within the meaning of Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3). See Revenue Ruling 75-512, 1972-2 C.B. 246, attached as Appendix D. In addition, student organizations are able to publish political views on the computer network without threatening Princeton's tax-exempt status. The Internal Revenue Service has held that a university was not participating in a political campaign within the meaning of Internal Revenue Code 501(c)(3), when statements made in support of political candidates appeared on the editorial page of a student newspaper. This was true despite the university's provision of financial support and facilities to the newspaper, as long as the views expressed in the newspaper were clearly those of the students and not of the university itself. See Revenue Ruling 75-513, 1972-2 C.B. 246, attached as Appendix E. Accordingly, Princeton University does not risk its tax-exempt status by allowing University members to use its computer network for political purposes. We recognize that Princeton has a legitimate interest in ensuring that the individual views of its members not be mistaken for official positions of the University. At most, the only permissible regulation that Princeton might desire is one requiring a member of the University community, who uses Princeton's name in a way that could lead a reasonable person to interpret the author's statement as an official position of the University, to include a disclaimer clarifying that the opinions expressed over the computer network are those of the author alone. Compare Rights, "Guidelines Relating to the Tax-Exempt Status of the University and Political Activities," at Section 3. Because there exists no legitimate reason for Princeton's blanket prohibition of political speech over the computer network, it is an unjustified, content-based restriction on the free expression rights of students, faculty and staff. Therefore, the policy is not only unworthy of a great University like Princeton, it is in violation of Art. I, par. 6 of the New Jersey Constitution. Although Princeton University is not a state university, the New Jersey Supreme Court has held the Princeton University campus to have been sufficiently devoted to expressive uses so as to require the University to honor the State constitutional guarantee of free expression. See State v. Schmid, 84 N.J. 535, 564-65 (1980); see also New Jersey Coalition Against the War in the Middle East v. J.M.B. Realty Corp., 138 N.J. 326 (1994) (holding that regional shopping malls were sufficiently open to expressive use so as to extend state constitutional right to leaflet). Princeton's computer facilities are as much a part of the Princeton "campus" as are the lawns and buildings. Princeton may not constitutionally restrict its students, faculty, and staff from engaging in political speech over the Internet any more than it could prohibit them from engaging in such speech in the dorm rooms, classrooms, halls, lawns, and offices of the campus. Political expression has always received the highest degree of constitutional protection. See Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 14 (1976). The Constitution was written with the intention to protect from censorship those who wish to express their political beliefs and their support for political candidates. Indeed, "where political speech is involved, our tradition insists that government `allow the widest room for discussion, the narrowest range for restriction.'" State v. Miller, 83 N.J. 402, 412 (1980). As a school with a well-deserved reputation as a leader in American higher education, Princeton should be the first to promote and defend academic freedom and freedom of expression within its community, to the very limits of the law. The computer use policy, read literally, also infringes upon the free speech rights of Princeton faculty, staff, and students to receive information. Lamont v. Postmaster General, 381 U.S. 301, 307 (1965) (right to receive information precludes government from labeling certain publications "propaganda") (Brennan, J., concurring); Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479-482-83 (1965) ("right of freedom of speech . . . includes not only the right to utter or print, but the right to . . . receive, the right to read . . . and freedom of inquiry, freedom of thought, and freedom to teach . . . . Without these peripheral rights the specific rights would be less secure."); Kreimer v. Bur. of Police for Town of Morristown, 958 F.2d 1242, 1350-55 (3d Cir. 1992) (listing cases). This is because the University's computer facilities, although located on the Princeton campus, are a gateway to a virtual, worldwide community. See ACLU v. Reno, 1996 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 7919 (E.D. Pa., June 11, 1996). They provide a unique means for students, faculty, and staff to access information on virtually any topic, including politics. Finally, the computer use policy is in conflict with other University policies and practices. Princeton recognizes that "the central purposes of a University are the pursuit of truth, the discovery of new knowledge through scholarship and research, the teaching and general development of students, and the transmission of knowledge and learning to society at large. Free inquiry and free expression within the academic community are indispensable to the achievement of these goals. The freedom to teach and to learn depends upon the creation of appropriate conditions and opportunities on the campus as a whole as well as in classrooms and lecture halls." Rights, Introduction to "Principles of General Conduct and Regulations." With respect to political speech, the University also recognizes that it has a fundamental responsibility to ensure "the opportunity for all members of the University community to exercise their prerogatives as citizens. . . . Encouragement of an interest in public affairs and the furthering of a sense of social responsibility have long been considered important elements of a liberal education. The University continues to consider self-chosen participation in political and social action by individuals and groups to be a valuable part of the educational experience it seeks to encourage. Such activities on the part of individuals or groups do not, and should not be taken to, imply commitment of the University to any partisan political position or point of view." Rights, Introduction to "Guidelines Relating to Tax Exempt Status." For all of the above reasons, we strongly urge you to repeal the existing ban on use of the computer network for political purposes, and we look forward to your early reply. Sincerely, Ann Beeson, Staff Attorney American Civil Liberties Union National Legal Department 132 West 43rd Street New York, New York 10036 (212) 944-9800 x788 David Rocah, Staff Attorney American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey 2 Washington Place Newark, NJ 07102 (201) 642-2086 cc: Office of General Counsel ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:58:04 -0500 Subject: "Huskers" and University of Nebraska policies The University of Nebraska is threatening web pages that have the word "Husker" in their title, according to the message attached below. Guess they'll have to go after these sites too: Husker Power web site Asger Schnack: Jeg Husker Alt (AP) Husker QB Brook Berringer killed in plane crash near NU campus Husker Du Penstemon 'Husker Red' is 1996 Perennial Plant of the Year Husker midwestern home design Joel's Husker Page I've set up a web page at http://www.well.com/~declan/huskers.html and registered the URL with AltaVista and HotBot. It's called: "Husker web pages, the University of Nebraska, and braindead policies." I wonder what the university will do, if anything? This message is copied to some University of Nebraska administrators and faculty members. Redistribute freely. - -Declan [You may subscribe to fight-censorship by sending "subscribe" to fight-censorship-request@vorlon.mit.edu] - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Husker Web Pages Must Cease To: huskers@pumpkin.tssi.com Subject: Husker Web Pages Must Cease From: mfricke@serv01.net-link.net (Mark E. Fricke) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 17:59:55 -0400 I hate to be the bearer of real bad news, but if you have a personal web site on the internet that features any logos, graphics, audio or even the page name of Cornhusker or Husker (like the Husker Press Box) be prepared to get a Cease and desist letter from the University of Nebraska's attorney's. The problem is simple. A lot of money has been paid to license the name and logo's of the Huskers and there are many business interests to protect. Pinnacle Broadcasting is the exclusive rights holder for internet usage of the name and logos (and you thought the live broadcasts were all good). Now..there are a couple of things we can do. #1 remove all references to Huskers, Big Red, Cornhuskers etc. from THE PAGES TITLE. You can still talk about, mention, berate or praise the team within the page, just not in the page title. The reason here is that the University wants all search engines (yahoo, excite, infoseek etc.) to send searches for the Huskers to their site (huskerwebcast) #2 remove all licensed logo's, pictures of Herbie audio of the band etc. from your site. #3 There is one more solution. Huskerwebcast will allow pages to exist as they are if they are housed within THEIR page. Wether that mean they will have hyperlinks to these hidden pages or if you will actually have to set up an account and an FTP site to their server I'm not clear on. I'm awaiting confirmation on this. Okay, now my personal views. Yeah it's a bummer...a great big bummer. I really don't see how private personal pages could possibly infringe on the marketing dollars of the University (except for logos, you got me there) But PAGE NAMES?!?!. They seem a little greedy fo rthe traffic. I'm no lawyer (maybe some of you out there are and know something about public domain)so I will do what I must with the Husker Press Box. I will still provide the page in some manner, either changing the name or joining the University page. Luckily I have already been extended an offer to do that. I will wait and see. My advise to other Husker wep page masters. Be ready for a letter and be ready to reacte. this is a big University with lots of money and lots of attorney's Mark Fricke ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:04:10 -0500 Subject: More on G-7 and bomb-making info online: a Canadian perspective http://www.now.com/issues/current/News/tech.html Bomb info OK in books but G-7 wants it off Net By COLMAN JONES While the fury over child porn on the net appears to be losing steam after the defeat of the Communications Decency Act in June, there's a a growing new cyber-backlash against terrorists. At a meeting in Paris last month, just before the downing of TWA flight 800 and the bombing in Atlanta, Group of Seven (G7) foreign ministers and security ministers struck an agreement to target terrorists using the internet. The pact calls for international controls on the net to cut off access to sites containing "dangerous" information, restrict electronic speech by unpopular political organizations and allow governments to decode privately encrypted communications. The Paris meeting ended with a commitment to have reports ready by the end of the year on ways of instituting such restrictions. [...] Bomb info Many press accounts fume about bomb-making information available online, without mentioning that the "offensive'' material being targeted is no different from identical material easily obtained in public libraries, college libraries and bookstores. A case in point is the World's Biggest Bookstore, which stocks the Anarchist Cookbook, a virtual how-to guide to subversive activity, also available online. Canada's foreign affairs minister, Lloyd Axworthy, who helped to draw up the Paris agreement, cited the fact that his his 11-year-old son showed him how to access extremist literature from the World Wide Web. Axworthy's spokesperson, Catherine Lappe, says the pact is "not an issue of trying to censor people" . "If you look at the communique, it says very clearly that all this would have to be in compliance with national laws, so the issues of privacy would be of utmost importance.'' [...] ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:04:00 -0500 Subject: Phyllis Schlafly on Clinton's Big Brother boondoggles A longtime anti-porn crusader, Phyllis Schlafly generally is no friend of free speech -- but I welcome her insightful and timely comments, attached below. Privacy does cut through ideological lines. I seem to recall that the Christian Coalition, a fiery supporter of the CDA, opposed the Clipper Chip. - -Declan - --- Clinton Is Trying to be Big Brother August 8, 1996 by Phyllis Schlafly We hope the appropriate government agencies will soon solve the recent terrorist crimes and punish the criminals. But all Americans who care about civil liberties should vigorously resist President Clinton's attempt to use the terrorist attacks as an excuse to carry on his all-out war against the personal privacy of law-abiding Americans. This mind-set was first revealed in the Clinton health care bill, which would have given the government computer access to the medical records of all Americans. Fortunately, that totalitarian takeover of the health care industry was rejected. The Clinton Administration's education legislation now pending in Congress would put personal information about all schoolchildren -- academic, medical, attitudinal, behavioral, and family -- into an expanded Labor Market Information database available to the government, as well as to prospective employers. Now the Clinton Administration is trying to make it illegal for individual Americans to have private conversations with one another. That's the real meaning of its effort to control encryption technology, and it's a direct assault on the First Amendment. It would be downright ridiculous to assert that the First Amendment guarantees our right to speak in public but not in private. It would be just as ridiculous to say that we have freedom to speak in words that the government can understand, but not in words the government can't decipher. Americans have the right to speak to one another in private, behind closed doors, and we should likewise have the right to speak to one another in code and to put our coded messages on computer in a process called encryption. Americans would not tolerate the government opening and reading the letters we send through the mails, and we should not tolerate the government opening and reading our encrypted, or coded, messages sent via computer. Yet, Attorney General Janet Reno, FBI Director Louis Freeh, and Vice President Al Gore are all demanding the authority to read our encrypted messages. In a speech to the Commonwealth Club of California, Reno bluntly stated her demand for "ensuring law enforcement access to encrypted data.'' Reno boasted that there is "a consensus'' that the government should create a system known as "Key Escrow'' (i.e., a supposedly "neutral third party''), to which all Americans should be forced to "entrust'' the keys to their encrypted messages, and to which the government would have access. On the contrary, there is no such consensus. Do you trust Janet Reno with access to your private messages? Do you trust the FBI to keep your files confidential? The Clinton Administration is already doing 30 to 40 percent more federal telephone wiretaps and other electronic surveillance than the last year of the Bush Administration. Those figures don't even include national security wiretaps or the hundreds of extensions granting more time for wiretap orders already issued. FBI Director Freeh wrote the New York Times last November that "There is no intention to expand the number of wiretaps or the extent of wiretapping." Four months later, FBI documents revealed that the FBI does, in fact, plan to increase electronic surveillance 54 percent by 1998 and 130 percent by 2004. On July 12, Al Gore announced that the Administration will continue to push for the adoption of a massive public key infrastructure to give the government access to all encrypted communications. In a blatant bid for a police-state surveillance society, Gore warned about "the dangers of unregulated encryption technology." A neutral panel of the National Research Council was set up to make policy recommendations about encryption. The panel called on the government to abandon its efforts to restrict encryption. The NSC panel concluded that increased use of encryption would enhance our national security, not diminish it. Thirteen out of its 16 members had security clearances with access to secret information, and they saw no national security reason to justify the Clinton policy. The Clinton Administration bases its campaign to control private encryption on the alleged need to fight crime through wiretapping. However, the NSC panel concluded that the ability of the private sector to transfer confidential financial and other data over the information highway without interception is far more important. New technologies have given government awesome power to spy on individuals. The Filegate investigation accidentally uncovered the shocking news that, as soon as Bill Clinton entered the White House in 1993, he secretly spent $400,000 on software to create a highly sophisticated computer database to track detailed political, financial, attitudinal, and personal biographical information on 200,000 people, including members of Congress and the media. Known as WHODB for White House Office Data Base, the system was nicknamed Big Brother. Encryption is a First Amendment issue, not a crime issue. If the Clinton Administration is allowed to control encryption, it would be the biggest expansion of federal power since the passage of the Income Tax Amendment in 1913. EAGLE FORUM -- eagle@eagleforum.org PO Box 618 Alton, IL 62002 Phone: 618-462-5415 ---------------------------------------------- Are you on our E-mail list? Tell a friend about us! http://www.eagleforum.org ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:18:34 -0500 Subject: London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban Recently the London police sent a letter to U.K. Internet providers saying that 133 Usenet newsgroups must be banned. >From observations at , it's clear that: the Police regard ISPs as publishers the publication of obscene materials is an offence the Police expect ISPs to continuously monitor newsgroups and to remove those which contain illegal materials More ominously, the letter says "Furthermore, this list is not exhaustive and we are looking to you to monitor your Newsgroups identifying and taking necessary action against those others found to contain such material... This list is only the starting point..." Also, the police have said they have the power to arrest Internet providers and seize their equipment. This move by the Brits is disappointing, but perhaps not surprising. I have background about many more international net-censorship attempts at: http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/ - -Declan - --------------------------------------------------------------------- *** COPIED FROM: >>>Usenet/alt.censorship 98310 ....internet header cut.... Subject: Re: POLICE CENSORSHIP - HERE, NOW IN THE UK Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 22:28:38 GMT On Wed, 14 Aug 96 17:39:54 GMT, andyc@waverider.co.uk (Andy Cowan) wrote: To all subscribers: Our upstream provider, VBCNet, has informed us that today, they, and other ISPs in the UK have received a notification from the Metropolitan Police to remove 134 news groups from their news servers. Therefore, we are no longer being fed these groups. As many of you will have seen, recently, in a thread in the waverider.support newsgroup, Wave Rider Internet Plc are opposed to such censorship as a matter of principle - as I know many of you are. The letter from the Met makes it clear that this is only the beginning - they plan to ban whatever newsgroups they see fit over the coming months. We urge you all to protest this action - use the media, contact your MPs, generate whatever protest you see fit - or the UK Internet is going to be operated by the whim of the Clubs & Vice unit of the Metropolitan Police. At present, Wave Rider Internet Plc have received no such notification from the police, and will therefore not be removing any groups. However, as we're not being fed them anymore, that's academic - there will shortly be nothing in them. I am enclosing the copy of the letter from the Met, that we have been sent by VBCNet. Andy Cowan Technical Director Wave Rider Internet Plc PS: I will follow this later with my own, personal views. This is an official statement. [...] - --- Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dale Amon The CDA sickness begun in the US is now spreading into Europe. This was recieved from our upstream provider in London (I am a director on an ISP in Northern Ireland) Anyone who wishes to write to the Gestapo Commandant and tell him off is more than welcome. Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:33:52 +0100 (BST) From: Jim Dixon To: euro-customers@vbc.net Subject: police censorship Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Like other UK ISPs, VBCnet today received a demand from the Metropolitan Police that some 134 news groups be deleted from our news machines. The letter makes it clear that this is only the beginning, that they will be banning more groups and requiring ISPs to enforce their dictats. We have with great reluctance complied with their demand. While we do not disagree that the articles in some of these groups are often objectionable, we disagree in principle with this form of censorship. We urge all of you to make it clear to your customers why these news groups have been withdrawn and we urge you to contact your MPs and the media about this arbitrary action by the police. If there is no protest, if a precedent is established, the UK Internet is going to fall under the control of the Clubs and Vice Unit at Charing Cross Police Station. VBCnet is setting up a Web page to protest this action. It should be available at http://www.uk.vbc.net/censorship by the end of the day. We will add pointers to other protesting Web pages -- well, the ones that are calm and reasonable. ;-) - -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015 http://www.uk.vbc.net VBCnet West +1 408 971 2682 fax +1 408 971 2684 - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 9th August 1996 METROPOLITAN POLICE SERVICE Clubs and Vice Unit Charing Cross Police Station Agar Street London WC2N 4JP Telephone: 0171 321 7752 Facsimile: 0171 321 7762 To: All Internet Service Providers Dear Sir / Madam Pornographic Material on the Internet Further to the seminar held at New Scotland Yard on 2nd August I enclose, as promised by Superintendent Mike Hoskins, a list of those Newsgroups which we believe contain pornographic material. We have attempted to confirm that the Newsgroups listed currently contain this offensive material but as you will be only too aware the content is continually changing and you will need to satisfy yourself about the nature and content before taking any action. Furthermore, this list is not exhaustive and we are looking to you to monitor your Newsgroups identifying and taking necessary action against those others found to contain such material. As you will be aware the publication of obscene articles is an offence. This list is only the starting point and we hope, with the co-operation and assistance of the industry and your trade organisations, to be moving quickly towards the eradication of this type of Newsgroup from the Internet. At the seminar we debated the means of maintaining an up to date list and you will recall that ISPA volunteered to pool information and assist in this initiative. However, we are very anxious that all service providers should be taking positive action now, whether or not they are members of a trade association. We trust that with your co-operation and self regulation it will not be necessary for us to move to an enforcement policy. 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0000001078 y alt.sex.super-size 0000001987 0000000711 y alt.sex.tasteless 0000001003 0000000202 y alt.sex.teens 0000002394 0000000540 y alt.sex.video-swap 0000001363 0000000489 y alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.black.male 0000012581 0000012054 y alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children 0000005812 0000005117 y alt.sex.sm.fig 0000006729 0000004915 y ------------------------------ From: j.stokes@student.anu.edu.au (Jason Stokes) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:02:15 +1000 Subject: Re: London police provide list of Usenet newsgroups to ban >Recently the London police sent a letter to U.K. Internet providers saying >that 133 Usenet newsgroups must be banned. > >>From observations at , it's clear that: > > the Police regard ISPs as publishers > the publication of obscene materials is an offence > the Police expect ISPs to continuously monitor newsgroups and > to remove those which contain illegal materials > >More ominously, the letter says "Furthermore, this list is not exhaustive >and we are looking to you to monitor your Newsgroups identifying and taking >necessary action against those others found to contain such material... >This list is only the starting point..." Also, the police have said they >have the power to arrest Internet providers and seize their equipment. > >This move by the Brits is disappointing, but perhaps not surprising. I have >background about many more international net-censorship attempts at: > http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/ You got it. Forget international connectivity - most governments are trying to erect a checkpoint at every virtual border. I have this horrible fear that in 2005 or so world leaders are going to say something like: "We had to destroy the global village in order to save it." ------------------------------ From: Declan McCullagh Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 06:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: British Obscenity and ISPs - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Platt To: Declan McCullagh Subject: British Obscenity For fight-cen, if you want it: - ------------------------------ First, British obscenity is more restrictively defined (by precedent) than in the United States, and there is no written Constitution to fall back on. The ultimate court of appeal is the House of Lords, where elderly gentlemen are not known for their progressive thinking. A publisher friend of mine in Britain has twice served time in prison during the past fifteen years. Second, and very relevant to the recent announcement by British police, under British law the PRINTER of a publication is liable for obscenity along with the publisher and the writer. Historically this has made it quite difficult to get sexually explicit or otherwise "dangerous" material into print in Britain. It seems fairly clear that since an ISP offers a service vaguely analogous to that of a printer (i.e. making multiple copies of a document without regard to its content), there is ample precedent for the British authorities to hold ISPs liable for their message traffic. Consequently we will either see a fundamental revision of the British attitude toward culpability (unlikely!) or self-censorship by ISPs will cause the net in Britain will go the same way as print media and videos in Britain: there will be nothing more salacious or dangerous than innuendo of the type perfected by Benny Hill. This is of course is an art form in its own right; but I am very glad I made my decision to emigrate from Britain 25 years ago. - --Charles ############################################################## Charles Platt / 1133 Broadway, room 1214 / New York / NY 10010 Phone 212 929 3983 email cp@panix.com fax 212 807 6111 ------------------------------ From: owner-fight-censorship-announce@vorlon.mit.edu Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:24:33 -0400 Subject: BOUNCE fight-censorship-announce: Approval required >From owner-fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu Fri Aug 16 08:24:29 1996 Received: from mail.Clark.Net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by vorlon.mit.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA32193 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:24:25 -0400 Received: from clark.net (root@clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by mail.Clark.Net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA10264; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caj-ppp.clark.net (caj-ppp.clark.net [168.143.2.105]) by clark.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA24529; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608161224.IAA24529@clark.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Craig A. Johnson" To: Cyber Rights Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:05:35 +0000 Subject: Re: cr> VTW and Republicans CC: cpsr-nii@sunnyside.com, fight-censorship-announce@vorlon.mit.edu, TPR-NE@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Shabbir Safdar wrote: > > Craig Johnson, in a recent article, mentions that Republicans are > responsible for the CDA, and other travesties of the Bill of Rights. I happen to think that these Internet issues that we all hold so dear are interlinked with ideological positions, which is why I am severely critical of Clinton and co. and Congressional Democrats as well. I also don't happen to think that supporting "net issues" in splendid isolation from political reality makes much sense, and on the contrary, can be damaging to liberty and democracy. The VTW notice in question read like a propaganda tract for the Republican convention. As for the CDA, it was hatched by Exon and Gorton, barely 40 seconds were spent discussing it in markup of S. 652 (as I witnessed, and Brock Meeks wrote at the time), and virtually all Republican Senators supported it. As Shabbir well knows, the House bill and the Senate bill had to be reconciled in conference committee. With the Christian Coalition, Enough is Enough, and a passle of other benighted groups -- which could be seen pulling levers this week at the Republican convention - -- lobbying heavily for censorship, the outcome was reasonably predictable. Yes, Cox-Wyden was a great thing and all. We all know that. However, it didn't make it through conference largely because of the persuasive powers of that great civil libertarian Henry Hyde, chair of the Judiciary Committee and lapdog of the Christian Coalition *and* because of the stupidity of three Democratic Representatives, Schroeder, Conyers, and Jackson-Lee, who voted against the White "harmful to minors" replacement language in a House conferees' caucus. Incidentally, it is debatable whether a "harmful to minors standard," as advocated by White, would have been much of an improvement over the CDA. One still would have had every local hack prosecutor interpreting the statute as he/she saw fit, even though the "harmful to minors" standard had been constitutionally tested elsewhere. And, let us be *very* clear on this: It was that great friend of the Internet, Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), Shabbir's crypto hero, who offered the amendment in the closed caucus session which gutted the White idea, threw out Cox-Wyden, and retained the Hyde language. The Republican Net lovers were not much in evidence in the conference committee, which after all, is where the serious power to decide the final outcome of these matters resided. The leadership, aka Larry Pressler, Henry Hyde, and Tom Bliley all supported pro-censorship, and Gingrich rode the wave, despite his earlier protestations to the contrary. A couple other notes which may be minor to VTW but are very significant to some. Cox is on record as opposing the Snowe-Rockefeller-Kerrey amendment to S. 652, the much-praised "universal service" provisions which mandate, among other things that: (a) "quality services should be available at just, reasonable, and affordable rates" (b) "access to advanced telecommunications services and information services should be provided in all regions of the Nation"; and that (c) "consumers in all regions of the Nation, including low-income consumers and those in rural, insular, and high cost areas, should have access to telecommunications services and information services . . . that are reasonably comparable to those services provided in urban areas and that are available at rates that are reasonably comparable to rates charged for similar services in urban areas." There is also a provision requiring "access to advanced telecommunications services for schools, health care, and libraries" and a definition of universal service that describes it as "an evolving level of telecommunications services." Most observers consider these provisions good things, which support the growth and vitality of the Internet. Cox did every thing he could to stymie them however, including offering his own amendment in subcommittee, which would have limited "universal service" to "voice-grade telephone service." Truly a pro-Internet stance! And, Aschcroft, part of the rope-a-dope singing ensemble this week seen at the Republican convention, argued strenuously in committee and markup against the universal service provisions. What about the great freedom lover Bob Dole? Well, he was an original sponsor of the Grassley bill, S. 892 (which mirrored the Hyde approach in the Senate), and supported censorship at every turn. So while the Net may be "maturing," its champions need to learn to look at issues in the context of other valued social and political goals. - --caj @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ~ CYBER-RIGHTS ~ ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visit The Cyber-Rights Library, accessible via FTP or WWW at: ftp://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/Library/ http://www.cpsr.org/cpsr/nii/cyber-rights/Library/ You are encouraged to forward and cross-post list traffic, pursuant to any contained copyright & redistribution restrictions. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~-~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Declan McCullagh Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Scientology begins PGP crack attempt Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.security.pgp From: grady@netcom.com (Grady Ward) Subject: Criminal cult begins PGP crack attempt Message-ID: The Special Master has informed me that Madame Kobrin has asked her to retain a PC expert to attempt to "crack" a series of pgp-encrypted multi-megabyte files that were seized along with more than a compressed gigabyte of other material from my safety deposit box. Ironically, they phoned to ask for assistance in supplying them with a prototype "crack" program that they could use in iterating and permuting possibilities. I did supply them a good core pgpcrack source that can search several tens of thousands of possible key phrases a seconds; I also suggested that they should at least be using a P6-200 workstation or better to make the search more efficient. The undercurrent is that this fresh hysterical attempt to "get" something on me coupled with the daily settlement pleas reflects the hopelessness of the litigation position of the criminal cult. It looks like the criminal cult has cast the die to ensure that the RTC vs Ward case is fought out to the bitter end. Which I modestly predict will be a devastating, humiliating defeat for them from a pauper pro per. I have given them a final settlement offer that they can leave or take. Actually they have a window of opportunity now to drop the suit since my counterclaims have been dismissed (although Jusge Whyte invited me to re-file a new counterclaim motion on more legally sufficiant basis). I think Keith and I have found a successful counter-strategy to the cult's system of litigation harassment. Meanwhile, I could use some help from veteran a.r.s'ers. I need any copy you have of the Cease and Desist letter that you may have received last year from Eliot Abelson quondam criminal cult attorney and Eugene Martin Ingram spokespiece. Physical mail: Grady Ward 3449 Martha Ct. Arcata, CA 95521-4884 JP's BMPs or fax-images to: grady@northcoast.com Thanks. Grady Ward Ps. I really do need all of your help and good wishes after all. Thanks for all of you keeping the net a safe place to insult kook kults. ------------------------------ From: Declan McCullagh Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 07:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Stockholm children's conf slams Net kiddie-porn, remailers [The attached Reuters dispatch follows a recent issue of The Economist, which noted it was _legal_ to possess child pornography in Sweden -- the conference host country -- but _illegal_ to distribute it. Now the largely-ceremonial Swedish monarchy is campaigning to change tha law. - -Declan] // declan@eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan@well.com // - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:39:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Anonymous Internet Child Porn An Issue At Stockholm Congress STOCKHOLM - Distribution of child pornography on the Internet seems destined to top the issues at the world's first conference against sexual exploitation of children opening later this month in Stockholm. Activists are trying to devise ways of keeping pedophiles from peddling such material on the global computer network, which is already used as a billboard to advertise prostitution and sex tourism and to exchange adult pornography. But not everyone agrees that regulating the Internet or its 20 million users worldwide is the right move. [...] "The Internet is like heaven for the pedophile," said Toby Tyler, a United States police officer who lectures at the FBI Academy on child abuse. "As far as our ability to restrict the distribution of child pornography and stop the sexual exploitation of children on the Internet...it's not something that can be done." Campaigners are concerned that unless urgent action is taken to stamp out the Internet's distribution of child porn, whether it features real children or just computer generated images, it could spark greater demand for child pornography. "Neglecting to prohibit computer generated images could well re-establish the commercial trade -- filling bookstores with computer images, de-sensitizing society and fueling demand for such material," said campaigner Margaret Healy from Bangkok-based End Child Prostitution in Asian Tourism (ECPAT). Tyler said the Internet has ended the days when pedophiles had to make costly cross-border runs to buy child pornography in countries where laws were laxer and penalties lighter. Now they can obtain and distribute films and photos from their own homes on the Internet with little risk of capture. Tyler said the existence of anonymous re-mailers -- computer systems which accept material transmitted over computer lines and send it out again after coding its original address -- concealed the source of pornography on the Internet. [...] Tyler said the most widely used re-mailing system currently operates from Finland, through which about 99 percent of all child pornography with untraceable address codes passes. But Johan Helsingius, who runs a re-mailing system from Helsinki, said he did not think child pornography was a problem on the Internet or that any of the 10,000 messages which pass through his server daily contained child pornography. "To a large extent the net is self-regulating. As soon as you do something that offends enough people, measures will be taken by those who are involved with the net," he said. ECPAT's Healy said in a report prepared for the five-day Stockholm conference that opens on August 27 that the regulation of child pornography on computers presents special challenges and called on governments to fund better training. "The establishment of an international research organization with...specialists in the areas of investigation, law enforcement, behavioral science, prosecution, law and computer technology could be an invaluable resource for the global community," Healy said. ------------------------------ End of fight-censorship-digest V1 #186 ************************************** To subscribe to fight-censorship-digest, send the command: subscribe fight-censorship-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@vorlon.mit.edu". 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Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are a vexation to the spirit. If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interest in your own career ever humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. Do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be there. Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him. Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner. As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story. Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is. Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism. Consult the television listings for your loca l schedule. Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again. Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti. Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should. Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio. With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter. Racism is your best protection against crime. Strive to be independently wealthy. TO MY WHITE GIRL I love you Because you're white, Not because you're charming Or bright. Your whiteness is a silky thread Snaking through my thoughts In redhot patterns Of lust and desire. I love you Because you're white. Your white skin Is what dreams are made of. White is The skin of nobility. You're my Cleopatra, My Eva Braun, Symbol of the rope and black swastika, Of the burning cross. Loving you thus And siring your children that look like you, My heart is made for you. In happiness and duty. ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us Join the line, sign your name And they all said that our country's going bust But no one's fooled us again England belongs to me A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry OH-Oh, England belongs to ME! We showed the world that the boys are back to stay And you all know what we can do It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY For the red, white and blue England belongs to me A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry OH-Oh, England belongs to ME! +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++ +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++ +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++ From qut@netcom.com Mon Aug 19 21:56:31 PDT 1996 Article: 300759 of talk.politics.guns Newsgroups: alt.censorship,talk.politics.guns,alt.politics.clinton,alt.privacy,talk.politics.crypto,alt.online-service,talk.politics.european-union,alt.cyberpunk,alt.sex,alt.binaries.pictures.erotica,alt.religion.mormon,soc.culture.asian Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) Subject: fight-censorship-digest V1 #185 Message-ID: Organization: Qut X-Justiceoncampusurl: http://joc.mit.edu/ X-No-Archive: yes Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 09:02:46 GMT X-Url: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ Lines: 1176 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.censorship:95028 talk.politics.guns:300759 alt.politics.clinton:275188 alt.privacy:4710 talk.politics.crypto:12606 alt.online-service:13708 talk.politics.european-union:5700 alt.cyberpunk:46016 alt.sex:182798 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica:86908 alt.religion.mormon:65307 soc.culture.asian:151 fight-censorship-digest Thursday, 15 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 185 In this issue: INFO: Gather and talk to Republican luminaries live online from the convention! Clinton Links Wiretap Opposition to Gun Lobby Clinton on Terrorism Re: Clinton on Terrorism Re: Global crypto and Senate net-restriction showdown coming, from , WSJ Vin Suprynowicz Column: READING OUR MAIL UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn Cybergangs "in your home, your living room, your den" CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd) Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn Re: CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd) HRW letter to Singapore government; German telecom URL Mormons blame Net for bad things Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn ACLU Gives Princeton an "F" for Barring Political Speech on its Network See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the fight-censorship or fight-censorship-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Voters Telecommunications Watch Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: INFO: Gather and talk to Republican luminaries live online from the convention! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- REPUBLICAN CONVENTION! LIVE! CHECK IT OUT ONLINE! (DO NOT DISTRIBUTE AFTER AUGUST 20, 1996) WHAT: Live feed from the Republican Convention in San Diego over the net Eat, drink, shmooze with Republican luminaries through the Net. WHERE: @Cafe, #12 St. Mark's Place (212-979-5439) WHEN: 8:30pm, Tuesday August 13, 1996 At 8:30pm EST on Tuesday, August 13, 1996, the Republican National Convention will be broadcast live over the Internet! The Several members of Congress will be present and, technology and Murphy's Law permitting, they'll be able to talk to you online through CUSeeMe. Many of New York's Republicans will be gathering at the @Cafe (address below), one of New York's many fine cybercafes, to eat, drink, shmooze, and queue up for a chance to talk to notable Republican legislators live from the Republican convention. Montana Senator Conrad Burns, who has been a driving force within the bi-partisan push to deregulate encryption, will be cyber-present, as will Montana Governor Marc Racicot, widely regarded as a visionary. The event is being coordinated in San Diego by Mike Rawson of Senator Conrad Burns office. Rawson, who has been instrumental in putting the Senate hearings live online along with Jonah Seiger of the Center for Democracy and Technology, will be bringing Senators, and other luminaries to the event. The Republican National Convention's live broadcast page is at: http://www.convention96.rnc.org/live.htm Simply point your Web browser there on Tuesday night to see the live goings-on. The @Cafe is where most people will probably gather, but there are many fine Internet cafes in New York. To find the one nearest you, go to Clay Irving's NYC Guide at: http://www.panix.com/~clay/nyc/cybercafes.shtml @cafe 12 St. Marks Place. It's an Internet provider! No, it's a restaraunt! Whatever it is, it seems like a cool place! alt.coffee 139 Avenue A - Tel: 212.529.CAFE coffee. computers. comfy chairs. Cyber Cafe 273A Lafayette Street, New York, New York 10012 Tel: (212) 334-5140 Fax: (212) 334-6436 In the heart of SOHO New York, Cyber Cafe is a stylish interface between the latest internet technology and the best in fresh, organic food. Internet Cafe 3rd Street (between 1st and 2nd) Kokobar espresso bar-cafi-bookstore features workstations for all-out Internet access. Located in Fort Greene. The VOID 16 Mercer Street (at Howard, one block north of Canal) For more information on the live hookups from the Republican convention, contact Mike Rawson at Senator Conrad Burns' office at 202-224-8250. For more information on the gathering at the @Cafe in New York City, contact Shabbir J. Safdar at 917-978-8430. ### ------------------------------ From: telstar@wired.com (--Todd Lappin-->) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 15:04:54 -0700 Subject: Clinton Links Wiretap Opposition to Gun Lobby Congress may be in recess, but Bill Clinton is still dreaming of expanded FBI wiretap authority. In this week's radio address, Clinton sought to paint the GOP into a corner by depicting the opponents of his "anti-terrorism" plan as "gun nuts." Expect the White House to continue beating this drum throughout September. More detail below. - --Todd--> - ------------------------------------------------------- From: http://allpolitics.com/news/9608/10/clinton.radio/ Full transcript of Clinton's radio address at: http://allpolitics.com/news/9608/10/clinton.radio/clinton.transcript.shtml Clinton: GOP Listening To 'Gun Lobby Over Law Enforcement' JACKSON, Wyo. (AllPolitics, Aug. 10) -- President Clinton on Saturday accused the Republican-led Congress of hampering efforts to fight terrorism by kowtowing to the gun lobby. In his weekly radio address from Jackson, where the president and his family are vacationing, Clinton said that Congress had stripped his anti-terrorism bill of valuable tools "that law enforcement needs to help them find out, track down and shut down terrorists." The president said that those who oppose two key provisions in his anti-terrorism legislation -- broader wiretapping authority and marking explosive powder with a "taggant" that can be traced back to the dealer who sold it -- were the same who opposed the Brady bill and the assault weapons ban. [ ... ] Negotiations between the White House and Congress for anti- terrorism legislation stalled last week over the wiretapping and explosive taggant issues. The House later passed an anti- terrorism bill of its own that excluded those provisions, but the Senate did not vote on the measure before adjourning for its August recess. [ ... ] "We cannot cast aside any tools in this fight for the security of our country and the safety of our people," he said. The United States, he said, is not immune to terrorism, citing the Oklahoma City bombing and last month's bombing in Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta as "brutal evidence." [ ... ] ### ------------------------------ From: "ERIC M. FREEDMAN, HOFSTRA LAW SCHOOL" Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Clinton on Terrorism Seems to me that it would be just as well to be discriminating in what we say and to distinguish between the taggant provisions -- which strike me as being perfectly appropriate legislation that is being blocked by various groups including the NRA -- and the wiretap ones. -EMF ******* Professor Eric M. Freedman Hofstra University School of Law Hempstead, N.Y. 11550 LAWEMF@Vaxc.Hofstra.edu Office: Tel. (516)-463-5167 Fax (516)-560-7676 Home Office: Tel. (212)-665-2713 Fax (212)-665-2714 ******** ------------------------------ From: jaed@best.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 04:50:33 -0700 Subject: Re: Clinton on Terrorism At 11:16 PM 8/11/96, "ERIC M. FREEDMAN, HOFSTRA LAW SCHOOL" Seems to me that it would be just as well to be discriminating in what we >say and to distinguish between the taggant provisions -- which strike me >as being perfectly appropriate legislation that is being blocked by >various groups including the NRA -- and the wiretap ones. -EMF Um, well, except that - - there are serious safety questions concerning adding taggants to black and smokeless powder - - a taggant provision is of dubious utility in catching terrorist bombers, since black powder is not difficult to make (and presumably anyone serious about planting pipe bombs and not getting caught would take this small additional step for self-protection) - - it's hard to see how taggants would help LE track powder anyway, since powder from a given manufacturing lot can be and commonly is shipped to dealers all over the country. I do think the issues are separable, and the wiretapping provisions are obviously of considerably greater relevance to this list (and to free-speech activism) than the taggant nonsense is. But I wanted to correct the misapprehension; as we know from bitter experience with the CDA, getting non-facts accepted as conventional wisdom is one of the first steps in promulgating bad laws and in demonizing those who oppose them. - -- The Internet interprets the US Congress as system damage and routes around it. - with apologies to John Gilmore ------------------------------ From: Rich Graves Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 21:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Global crypto and Senate net-restriction showdown coming, from , WSJ - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Declan McCullagh wrote: > http://interactive4.wsj.com/edition/current/articles/Online.htm > > August 9, 1996 > > After Dhahran, TWA, and Atlanta: Who's Afraid of the Big Bad 'Net? > > By VIVIENNE WALT > THE WALL STREET JOURNAL INTERACTIVE EDITION > > At 15, Frank Sayre isn't old enough to vote in Canada. Yet, his knack for > Internet coding has already earned him some powerful enemies. I believe this is false. As far as I know, no one has objected, other than by calling him naive. Frank is on vacation and off the net until early September, so I imagine the WSJ was unable to reach him for this story. People reacted to his action the same way they did to our Zundelsite mirrors - - -- despite the fact that Zundel is just a harmless neo-Nazi propagandist, while Lemire is a bit more... activist. For *his* side of the story, see http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/sirc/affidavit_of_marc_lemire.html > Last month, Mr. Sayre launched a private protest against Web censorship > from his home in Smithers, British Columbia. After hearing that a > white supremacist site had been ejected from an Internet service > provider, This is false. He heard that they were being protested. Lemire has not been kicked off. His site remains at http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom, and the site that the SWC-Canada was far more concerned about, www.ftcnet.com/~skinhds, is still online, too. Oddly, none of the stores in the US press even mention the skinheads site. The initial reports in the Canadian press didn't even mention Lemire, because it really wasn't about him. Funny... the Skinheads site admits that they won and will not be censored. Take a look at http://alpha.ftcnet.com/~skinhds/ -- "Well my site has weathered the storm of controversy and is still afloat. Despite the best efforts of some of the enemies of free speech my service provider did not capitulate." I wonder how long Lemire plans to milk the publicity. Maybe trolling the Wall Street Journal was enough. > the teenager posted the site's entire contents in a > compressed "mirror" file... This is false. Lemire created and posted the archive, soliciting mirror sites. The first one online was www.alpha.org, but they've been having technical problems, so Frank's was announced first. Frank's web page simply links to Lemire's archive on ftcnet.com. Frank did not compile and is not distributing the site's entire contents. > Incensed, the province's Attorney General, Ujjal Dosanjh, dispatched a > task force to investigate the Web's proliferation of hate speech -- > something the Canadian government, like its allies in Western Europe, > has laws against. This is highly misleading; I assume it was taken from either Declan's article or Lemire's press release, as it shows a lack of understanding of the political and legal situation in Canada. I don't suppose the WSJ will admit that they were trolled? Frank has, but I know that Declan won't. In fact, if it weren't for this sentence and the fact that I'm Bcc'ing it to Vivian, I doubt Declan would allow this message to hit fight-censorship at all. > One day after a bomb in Saudi Arabia killed several U.S. servicemen and > virtually flattened a military base, Sen. Joseph Biden (D., Del.) > pushed his proposal to make posting bomb-making information on the > Internet a felony, punishable by up to 20 years in jail. > > "I think most Americans would be absolutely shocked if they knew what kind > of bone-chilling information is making its way over the Internet," he told > the Senate on June 26. "You can access detailed, explicit instructions on > how to make and detonate pipe bombs, light-bulb bombs, and even -- if you > can believe it -- baby-food bombs." ...and thanks to Biden, that recipe is now available through thomas.loc.gov. What a moron. > "They might be the lunatic fringe, but they've embraced this technology. A > subculture is emerging," says Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Weisenthal > Center in Los Angeles, who recently presented President Clinton with a disk > of extremist Web sites, and whose Cyberwatch project monitors extremism on > the Web. No, Cyberwatch does no such thing. It just moans about it, giving no specific examples. They don't even acknowledge the existence of other organizations with policies that are both more effective and more respective of freedom of speech, such as the Anti-Defamation League (which is larger and older than the Wiesenthal Center, but strangely absent from press reports of "jewish reaction to hate on the net") and Nizkor (which has far more experience than either, but isn't jewish). - - -rich - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMg63t5NcNyVVy0jxAQFZXgH/XwV910RxaeA6ZuwAPmZZKhvcWywxQzR9 EepagzRkX5OZOYxwTC5/SrBbuR4FG7QYVl6BUy4U4umbWtxGnEA2OQ== =Gse0 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ From: freematt@coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:13:07 -0400 Subject: Vin Suprynowicz Column: READING OUR MAIL From: Vin Suprynowicz Subject: Column, Aug. 7 FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED Aug. 7, 1996 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Reading our mail Only in a nation already enormously out of touch with its founding principle - that individual citizens and businesses have the right to do just about any peaceful thing, while it's the powers of (start ital)government(end ital) that are sharply restricted - could Congress find itself debating whether to "allow" American computer firms to maintain their lead in the multi-million-dollar overseas market for software encryption. In plainer language, outfits like Netscape Communications and Tandem Computers want "permission" to sell overseas programs like Pretty Good Privacy - to which savvy American netsters now have free access - programs which allow private e-mail messages and files to be encoded so government snoops can't read them. The Clinton administration proposes that such exports be allowed only if a decoding "key" is entrusted to a third party - such as a bank or insurance company - which would then be subject to a court order or subpoena should law enforcement personnel wish to break the code and secretly read this electronic "mail." FBI Director Louis Freeh testified in favor of such restrictions July 25, arguing that "Uncontrolled export of U.S. computer codes may help international criminals and terrorists hide their activities from law enforcement." Well, yes, they probably do. Ramzi Yousef, on trial in New York on charges of plotting to bomb a dozen U.S. airliners, used a laptop computer containing files the FBI still hasn't been able to decode. But note the past tense. Terrorists have already got this stuff. Anything in the possession of an American teenager can be (likely has been) uploaded onto the Internet, and then downloaded without anyone being the wiser in Baghdad, Tripoli, or Tangiers. The real goal here is to control the ability of American citizens to communicate with one another without government snoops reading over their shoulders. When Director Freeh warns that "Encryption products used unchecked by criminals and terrorists for their illegal activities pose an extremely serious threat," it's worth remembering that federal agencies have, in recent years, used the terms "criminal" and "terrorist" to describe peaceful worshippers and their children at the Branch Davidian Church in Waco, MOVE activists in Philadelphia, an unarmed Idaho mother with a nursing baby in her arms, and any number of perhaps misguided but far-from-violent tax protesters, home schoolers, barter exchange operators, and practitioners of alternative medicine, to name just a few. Once the possessor of such stuff can be arrested and jailed for years on charges of "exporting a munition" for the mere act of posting the mathematical formula on the Internet, does it make sense to pretend Americans will still be free to use such encryption domestically? Those who favor an authoritarian, hierarchical society have grown accustomed to the fact that the political opinions available to most American government-school graduates have long been "filtered" through the news desks of a few television networks and major wire services. The unregulated, spontaneous nature of Internet communications frightens such souls with dark nightmares of anarchy, the same way King George hated the colonial "Committees of Correspondence." As Stephen Chapman of the Chicago Tribune pointed out in his nationally syndicated column June 19, "We can be grateful that ink and paper didn't make their first appearance the day before yesterday . Otherwise, Congress and the president would be scrambling frantically to make sure that these communication tools would not be used for purposes unapproved by the government." If the idea of a government service delivering letters between private citizens were being introduced today, wouldn't Director Freeh similarly argue against the "extremely serious threat" that criminals and terrorists might use this new "mail" system to keep their secrets, should the government allow the use of glue-flapped "envelopes"? But wait, you say: The secret "keys" would only be available upon issuance of a "court order." And this guarantee would be enforced, I presume, by the same courts that today regularly excuse the short-circuiting of any and all such existing safeguards so long as the federals assert a "compelling government interest" in hunting drug dealers, nabbing "money-launderers," or whatever dastardly new crime of the week they care to allege? It's understandable that repressive regimes like China are pulling out every stop to register and track private users of the Internet. When legislators show similar instincts in what was once the "Land of the Free," it's their own premises which they ... and we ... should re-examine. Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin@intermind.net. The web site for the Suprynowicz column is at http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/. The column is syndicated in the United States and Canada via Mountain Media Syndications, P.O. Box 4422, Las Vegas Nev. 89127. *** Vin Suprynowicz vin@intermind.net "Next year in Galt's Gulch!" **************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Declan McCullagh Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn [Thanks to Stanton for forwarding. This is also a test to see if the fight-censorship+ address will work. --Declan] U.K. INTERNET PROVIDERS PLAN TO RESTRICT CYBERPORN Reacting to pressure from Scotland Yard, the Internet Service Providers Association, representing 60 of an estimated 140 providers in the United Kingdom, will be asking its members to voluntarily block access to sites and services featuring hard-core pornography. An executive of Demon Internet, which has the largest subscriber base in the U.K., dismisses the proposed action as ineffective: "This is not a solution, it is just hiding the problem." (Financial Times 10 Aug 96) [Excerpted from Edupage.] ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:17:05 -0500 Subject: Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn Got a note this morning from a U.K. journalist who spoke with PSInet: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conversation this am with a leading light at a large ISP here (subsidiary of US ISP). Says last week there was a meeting of ISPs with the police, who complained about the pedophilic newsgroups (estimated 20 ngs), and essentially said, either you do something about it, or we'll do something about it. The guy said they'd pulled the groups. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note the ISPs are stressing the newsgroups were "pedophile" areas. But the FT report talks about Scotland Yard pressuring Internet providers to block "hard-core pornography." - -Declan ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:31:31 -0500 Subject: Cybergangs "in your home, your living room, your den" > >CYBERGANGS > >The head of the gang task force for the Arizona Department of Public Safety > >reports that a Web site established in Detroit offers a how-to guide for > >gangster wannabes and is urging gang members everywhere to unite under its > >umbrella to form the first cyberspace gang. The official says: "Now it's > >in your home, your living room, your den... Unfortunately, these guys can > >talk about anything they want and there's nothing law enforcement can do > >about it." (Atlanta Journal-Constitution 8 Aug 96 F3) A meme on the rise: like cyberporn, "cybergangs" can reach into your living room and corrupt Junior. Perhaps grandstanding politicans may use "cybergangs" as a pretext for a crackdown -- not a war on drugs, but a War on the Net? This page looks promising: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3149 - -Declan ------------------------------ From: platinum Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd) please forward this to appropriate people, newsgroups, etc. let's make this a real happening! Rose It was hard to wake up, that morning. The pillow to the right of her was bewildered at its own unaccustomed chill. She had gathered all the blankets around herself and no one had been there to pull them back; this more than anything reminded her of her aloneness and she very nearly turned back onto her side to weep herself to sleep. --"Tender" - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Stanton McCandlish To: iag@deliberate.com, "comp.org.eff.talk gate" Cc: action@eff.org Subject: CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd) I'm not sure this is the most effective or noticeable action, but what the heck. Personally, I'd advocate doing whatever you think is most useful, just do it on the 31st, and let local media know with a short fax soon that Aug. 31 is Internet Censorship Protest Day. If you've been of a mind to organize a rally, make it snappy. No better time. I don't think this short alert has gone out very far yet. Forwarded Message: The Communications Decency Amendment (CDA) Country-Wide Protest August 31, 1996 In order to protest the Communications Decency Amendment (CDA) of the 1996 Telecommunications Act, on August 31, 1996 everyone who is against the 2 acts, and believes that these acts are unconstitutional, are asked to drive with their lights on during the daytime. Please forward this message to all newspapers, t.v. stations, and if you have a internet site, please display this message. The more participation we have, the more our message gets across! [This is a grassroots campaign, not tied to any particular organization.] - -- Stanton McCandlish


mech@eff.org

Electronic Frontier Foundation

Online Activist - -- Stanton McCandlish


mech@eff.org

Electronic Frontier Foundation

Online Activist ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:35:15 -0500 Subject: Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn From: Stanton McCandlish Subject: Re: FC: U.K. Net-companies ban porn; "cybergangs"; 8/31 CDA protest To: declan@vorlon.mit.edu Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:36:12 -0700 (PDT) X-EFF_General_Info: info@eff.org X-URL: http://www.eff.org/~mech > of US ISP). Says last week there was a meeting of ISPs with the police, > who complained about the pedophilic newsgroups (estimated 20 ngs), and > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Note the ISPs are stressing the newsgroups are "pedophile" areas. But the > FT report paints the situation much more broadly -- Internet providers are > blocking "pornography." Almost certainly true. It's highly unlikely that there are 20 child pornographic newsgroups. I have side accounts at 3 major ISPs that all have as close to a full newsfeed as is physically possible, I think. They all have almost an identical roster of available newsgroups (other than local ones of course, very few of which anywhere are pornographic in nature.) Out of those, only the following newsgroups would appear to qualify at first blush: alt.sex.pedophilia alt.sex.pedophilia.boys alt.sex.pedophilia.girls alt.sex.pedophilia.pictures alt.sex.pedophilia.swaps alt.binaries.pictures.child.erotica.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children alt.sex.children de.alt.pictures.sex.children alt.binaires.pictures.erotica.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.d alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.male alt.sex.pre-teens alt.sex.teens alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.fuck alt.sex.masturbation.pictures.female.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female.masturbation alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.lolita alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.fucking alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.misc alt.sex.young [I admit the possibility of missing a keyword. I did a search for "child", "kid", "teen", "lolita", "young", "youth" and "pedo". There might be, say, a "nambla" match, now that I think about it, but obscure keywords like that are unlikely to find enough newsgroups to strongly affect the outcome of this quick examination.] Of these, many can be immediately eliminated, as they are discussion groups, not binaries group, or are typos ("binaires") and ergo not carried by 99% or so of usenet (though available on a few sites like the WELL where the admins allow the automatic availability of every newsgroup known to the system, even ones created just to create a stupid-named newsgroup with no intention that it will ever be used.) This leaves: alt.sex.pedophilia.pictures alt.sex.pedophilia.swaps alt.binaries.pictures.child.erotica.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children de.alt.pictures.sex.children alt.binaires.pictures.erotica.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.pre-teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.fuck alt.sex.masturbation.pictures.female.teen alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.teen.female.masturbation alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.lolita alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.fucking alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.misc alt.sex.young Now, of these all the "young" and "teen" groups have to be eliminated, since "young" is to vague to mean anything more specific that "younger than middle aged", and teen can refer to 18 or 19 (or even younger legal ages, if the UK is like Australia and sets age of consent at 16 instead of US & Canada's 18). If you actually look in these groups there appears to be nothing but flames, blather, and BBS ads, almost none, if any, of which will be childporn, since that would be a major cop magnet. Lolita.misc and pedophilia.swaps also have be dropped, as too vague to clearly indicate child pornographic visual content. The de. newsgroup is also probably not carried by many sites outside of Germany. (WELL had it, but my other ISPs didn't. Probably WELL is trading news with a site in Germany for some reason - maybe the .de site can't get a decent news feed? I dunno). That leaves: alt.sex.pedophilia.pictures alt.binaries.pictures.child.erotica.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.female alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.child.male alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.children alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.lolita alt.binaries.pictures.lolita.fucking Six likely suspect newsgroups for genuine illegal content in the form of child pornography. It's highly questionable whether real child porn shows up on any such newsgroup with any regularity, if at all. Again, the content seems to consist of flames and blatant BBS ads (though I'm not dumb enough to actually download the material, since that could count as "possession" if some of it is really child porn.) I even recall the creation of a few of these - they were newgrouped simply to piss people off with no intention of actually using the newsgroups. They were instantly rmgrouped, and are unavailable on all sites that honor "official" alt.config rmgroups, which is probably the vast majority of news servers. Much ado about nothing. Also, none of this even touches the question of whether liability adheres to providing access to something that happens to contain child porn simply becuase is *sounds* child pornographic. By this logic, even if is eventually established that an ISP could not be held liable for child porn content in general, absent guilty knowledge, an ISP could be held liable for it if someone posted a message with "child porn" in the subject line, and it actually did contain child porn, regardless of the fact that any message by that name is more likely to be a discussion thread about child porn and the problems it causes, that to be actual child porn. The UK cops are making the mistake of assuming that every label is. first, always accurate, and second, non-ambigious. That's a very stupid set of assumptions. Either way you look at it, this is ridiculous. Either: a) the UK police bureucrats have taken all newsgroup names at face value and have targetted most of the initial long list near the top of this message, even though most are obviously intended to be discussion areas and don't carry child porn itself, or b) they are going after 5 or so newsgroups that are, at least in name, definitely child pornographic, PLUS a buch of others (the rest of the 20) like alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.male, or whatever, that have nothing at all, even in name, to do with child porn, as the article Declan quotes seems to suggest (I think this quite possible, since it's unlikely that many if any UK hosts have this many pedophillic-sounding newsgroups. Only the biggest and most bandwidth rich US ISPs carry them all, so the UK cops probably don't even know about the majority of the newsgroups in the top, large, list.) A and B are *both* stupid and indefensible. The British police would be doing a far better job if they monitored the contents of the newgroups in question and worked to locate those posting any genuine child porn, and prosecute them (with an eye to the fact that its very easy to create fake child porn with modern graphics editors. That may be illegal in Canada, but it's probably not in the UK, or anywhere else, since such a law is truly inane.) - -- Stanton McCandlish


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Electronic Frontier Foundation

Online Activist ------------------------------ From: Rich Graves Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 21:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: CDA Protest Day: Aug. 31 (fwd) On Tue, 13 Aug 1996, platinum wrote: > The Communications Decency Amendment (CDA) Country-Wide Protest > > August 31, 1996 > > > In order to protest the Communications Decency Amendment (CDA) of the 1996 > Telecommunications Act, on August 31, 1996 everyone who is against the 2 > acts, and believes that these acts are unconstitutional, are asked to > drive with their lights on during the daytime. OK, whatever. I'll get new batteries for my bike light. - -rich Free Xanana! http://www.uc.pt/Timor/arquivo/varia/xananauc.html ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:00:50 -0500 Subject: HRW letter to Singapore government; German telecom URL Attached is the letter Human Rights Watch/Asia sent to Singapore yesterday. Kudos to HRW for taking the lead in calling attention to the actions of the censorhappy Singaporeans. More background is at: http://www.eff.org/~declan/global/ Also, you can find an English version of the German telecommunications act at: http://www.government.de/inland/ministerien/post/tkge00.html - -Declan - --- August 13, 1996 BY FAX: +65-375-7765 Mr. George Yeo Minister for Information and the Arts 460 Alexandra Road, 37th Story PSA Building Singapore 119963 Dear Mr. Yeo, I am writing on behalf of Human Rights Watch/Asia to protest the recent decision by the Singapore government to establish strict controls on Internet use. The implementation of the Class License Scheme, which, according to a July 11 government news release, "will focus on content which may undermine public morals, political stability and religious harmony,"ensures a leading role for Singapore among international promoters of online censorship. This is a particularly unfortunate role for Singapore, which has been a leader in the development and promotion of Internet use in Asia. It places Singapore in the same category as countries like China, where Internet users must endure onerous restrictions. One of the most unique and valuable characteristics of the Internet is its ability to establish easy, inexpensive and practically instantaneous communication between the farthest points of the earth. By prohibiting connections between its citizens and various Web sites outside its borders, Singapore is in essence removing itself from the global Internet. If, as will surely happen, its example is followed in other countries, the Internet, which held such promise as the world's first truly global medium, will be nothing more than a set of country-specific networks where local prejudices and fears are reinforced by technology. Our specific objections concern Singapore's decision to regulate the Internet as if it were a broadcast medium. Unlike broadcast media, the Internet is the first truly mass medium. Through e-mail, it allows individuals with nothing more than a computer and a modem to express their views to an international audience. Even the World Wide Web differs significantly from a broadcast medium in that individuals are not confronted with a particular site upon connecting to the Web--they may choose whichever sites they choose to visit. As with other forms of Internet communication, anyone may put up his or her own site on the Web. The Singapore government's own use of Web pages demonstrates how the Internet can be used to propound a particular point of view. Its citizens, so long as they are not using their site to incite to violence, should have the same opportunity to express views as their government. As stated in Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression: this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. We are particularly concerned that restrictions have been placed on Singaporeans who wish to discuss religious and political ideas online. It is only through unrestricted discussions of such serious topics by all members of society, no matter how unpopular their views, that these subjects become less explosive. Forbidding discussion--in effect, treating its citizens like children--will, on the other hand, ensure that dangerous topics remain just that. We are also concerned that the extraordinarily broad categories of forbidden content, as outlined by the SBA, will encourage arbitrary restrictions on communication. According to the Internet Content Guidelines, the following topics are banned. Public Security and National Defense a. Contents which jeopardize public security or national defense. b. Contents which undermine the public confidence in the administration of justice. c. Contents which present information or events in such a way that alarms or misleads all or any of the public. d. Contents which tend to bring the Government into hatred or contempt, or which excite disaffection against the Government. Racial and Religious Harmony a. Contents which denigrate or satirize any racial or religious group. b. Contents which bring any race or religion into hatred or resentment. c. Contents which promote religious deviations or occult practices such as Satanism. Public Morals a. Contents which are pornographic or otherwise obscene. b. Contents which propagate permissiveness or promiscuity. c. Contents which depict or propagate gross exploitation of violence, nudity, sex or horror. d. Contents which depict or propagate sexual perversions such as homosexuality, lesbianism, and pedophilia. By banning such subjects a chill will be sent through the online community in Singapore, and will render the Internet essentially useless in allowing any kind of serious discussion. In addition to forbidding particular content, the government has also announced that some sites will be banned. Internet service providers were given the deadline of September 14, 1996, to begin using proxy servers--devices that can prohibit connections to specified sites--to connect all their subscribers. Although the government has promised to use a light hand in regulating the Internet, its activities even at this early stage indicate otherwise. A July 12 posting in the Usenet newsgroup "soc.culture.singapore" was reportedly removed at the request of the SBA, who asked local Internet service providers for its removal because it alleged that lawyers at a local law firm were incompetent. The request came, according to the Straits Times, after the law firm complained to the government. Despite the removal from the newsgroup, the message is still widely available to Singaporeans through other Internet sources, indicating that content control will be difficult unless Internet access is restricted even further. We hope that the Singapore government will retract these repressive new regulations, and support the development of an unfettered Internet. Instead of using its power to restrict Internet use, the government could play a truly useful role by devising ways to expand its use to even the most disaffected members of its population. Sincerely, Sidney Jones Executive Director cc: Mr. Goh Liang Kwang, Chief Executive Officer, Singapore Broadcasting Authority Ambassador Bilahari Kausikan, Permanent Mission of Singapore to the United Nations ------------------------------ From: declan@well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:09:26 -0500 Subject: Mormons blame Net for bad things Who was it that said: "The Internet: Threat or Menace?" :) - -Declan *** From: "Deana Holmes" To: cypherpunks@toad.com Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 18:52:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Another thing the Net is being blamed for... Priority: normal Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Yet another thing that we're being blamed for. FYI, the temple ceremony has been reproduced many times since it was first exposed in the 1840s. The most recent revision (1990) was kept secret for only a short time before notorious former members got ahold of a tape and transcript of the ceremony. (I have a good idea of how they got it.) As far as I can tell, it didn't actually make it on to the Net until about 1994. This particular Mormon churchman (Russell Ballard) gave a speech a year or so ago warning Mormons in vague terms about the evils of the Internet. I suppose this is part of it. ===== >From this morning's Rolley&Wells column in the Salt Lake Tribune (without permission): "During a press tour this week of the LDS [Mormon] Church's new Mount Timpanogos Temple in American Fork, a member of the news media asked why a writtem copy of the temple ceremony was not given to members with temple recommends so they could study it in the privacy of their homes. Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles informed the reporter that there was no need. A church member had 'broken the covenant' -- taped the ceremony, transcribed it, and put it on the Internet for all to read." Deana M. Holmes April 1996 poster child for clueless $cientology litigiousness alt.religion.scientology archivist since 2/95 mirele@xmission.com ------------------------------ From: j.stokes@student.anu.edu.au (Jason Stokes) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:19:47 +1000 Subject: Re: UK Internet providers plan to restrict cyberporn Stanton McCandlish wrote: [..] >> Note the ISPs are stressing the newsgroups are "pedophile" areas. But the >> FT report paints the situation much more broadly -- Internet providers are >> blocking "pornography." > >Almost certainly true. It's highly unlikely that there are 20 child >pornographic newsgroups. [..] >The British police would be doing a far better job if they monitored the >contents of the newgroups in question and worked to locate those posting >any genuine child porn, and prosecute them (with an eye to the fact that >its very easy to create fake child porn with modern graphics editors. >That may be illegal in Canada, but it's probably not in the UK, or >anywhere else, since such a law is truly inane.) You're forgetting the tortuous British obscenity laws. For example, it's illegal to show an erect penis in Britain. The police are just trying enforce the censorious powers the government has always given them. Cheers, Jason Stokes: j.stokes@student.anu.edu.au ------------------------------ From: beeson@usa.pipeline.com (Ann Beeson) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:14:12 GMT Subject: ACLU Gives Princeton an "F" for Barring Political Speech on its Network AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS News Release August 15, 1996 - ---------------------------------------------------- Free Speech 101: ACLU Gives Princeton University an "F" for Barring Political Speech on its Network FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, August 15, 1996 Contact: Ann Beeson, ACLU National (212) 944-9800, x788 David Rocah, ACLU of New Jersey (201) 642-2084 NEW YORK--In a letter sent today to Princeton University officials, the American Civil Liberties Union urged them to reconsider a policy barring students and staff from using the computer network for "political purposes." The letter was sparked by complaints the ACLU national office received over a recent memo from Princeton officials advising faculty, staff and students, "especially in this year of a presidential election," that the school's not-for-profit status barred it from allowing use of the computer network "for political purposes." The ACLU called this conclusion mistaken, pointing out in its letter that the Internal Revenue Code specifies that only the University itself is barred from political activity -- not faculty, staff, or students acting independently. In fact, the ACLU said, the IRS has previously held that statements in support of political candidates appearing on the editorial page of a student newspaper would not be considered violations of a university's 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status. "Because there exists no legitimate reason for Princeton's blanket prohibition of political speech over the computer network," the ACLU letter stated, "it is an unjustified content-based restriction on the free expression rights of students, faculty and staff. Therefore, the policy is not only unworthy of a great university like Princeton, it is in violation of the New Jersey State Constitution." The letter was signed by ACLU national staff attorney Ann Beeson and David Rocah, staff attorney of the ACLU of New Jersey. "We understand the university's concerns regarding it's tax-exempt status," Rocah said. "But this is free speech 101. Sadly, Princeton is not making the grade." Rocah said the ACLU would consider legal action if the university refuses to drop its censorship policy. "Traditionally, college campuses are the center of political discussion and debate," said Beeson. "The fact that the debate is taking place on the Internet does not mean that the speech is any less deserving of protection." Beeson added that the policy could bar students and staff from a wide range of protected expression, including downloading position papers from the Dole or Clinton website; sending e-mail to their parents urging them to vote for Ralph Nader; and organizing online discussion groups for student chapters of politically active groups such as Greenpeace. In short, Rocah said, "Everything that would be acceptable, even welcome, off-line, becomes off-limits on the Internet." In its letter, the ACLU called on the school to take a leadership role in the academic community: "As a school with a well-deserved reputation as a leader in American higher education, Princeton should be the first to promote and defend academic freedom and freedom of expression within its community, to the very limits of the law," the letter said. Beeson added that the ACLU is working to develop model guidelines for colleges and universities to help sort out the confusion in academia regarding free expression on the Internet. Many schools have already put in place "Appropriate Use Policies" to police student and faculty computer use, some of which violate rights of free expression, Beeson said. [The full text of the ACLU letter and Princeton memo are also available through the ACLU's website and America Online site (keyword: ACLU).] ------------------------------ End of fight-censorship-digest V1 #185 ************************************** To subscribe to fight-censorship-digest, send the command: subscribe fight-censorship-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@vorlon.mit.edu". 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For more information, read the complete list archives, at: http://fight-censorship.dementia.org/top/ From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 09:00:58 PDT 1996 Article: 68657 of soc.culture.jewish Newsgroups: alt.flame,soc.culture.jewish Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Roger Healy) Subject: Re: Is Anti-Semitism Worse Than Raping Children?!?!? Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: Qut X-No-Archive: yes References: <4u4k7m$vp@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <320ddaeb.2302261@news.inetport.com> <4ulepm$fmo@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> <4ulqr8$hff@news1.panix.com> <4un1k2$2ch@news1.panix.com> <4uol4v$37o@news1.panix.com> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:52:07 GMT Lines: 190 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:22360 soc.culture.jewish:68657 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4uol4v$37o@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes: ! >! Yes, I do believe that racism and anti-Semitism are worse than child ! >! molestation. Child molesters are sick people afflicted with a ! >! psychosexual disorder. They should be locked up and the key thrown ! >! away, but also felt sorry for, since most of them were molested as ! >! children themselves and can't help what they do. ! >! ! >! A racist is just someone looking for a scapegoat for his own ! >! insecurities, David. A person unable to cope with their inabilities ! >! and inadequacies. So they hate,and end up maiming and killing people ! >! because of it. An anti-racist is just someone looking for a scapegoat for his own insecurities, Andy. A person unable to cope with their inabilities and inadequacies. So they hate,and end up maiming and killing people because of it. ! >! Now which is worse? Anti-racists, because they have an impossible view of life. Racists are more human, more hedonistic, more for learning and idealism. ! >You are a menace! In the racist future, child molestors will be ! >executed, and anti-semites will have full political rights. So you ! >consider the anti-semitic world to be worse than raping children, to ! >merely have the thought that the Jewish power structure is bad? ! ! First of all, there is no racist future. Second of all, I compared ! the conditions of pedophilia and racism. I would not jail a racist as ! a would a pedophile, but when either acts on their actions, I must ! place greater blame on the racist. The pedophile cannot help himself. The following has contradictions: ! Third of all, what Jewish power structure is there outside of Israel? ! The President is Protestant, as is the Veep, the Speaker, the Majority ! Leader, and a large portion of the Cabinet are also Christians and not ! Jews. Fourth of all, you're an asshole. You seem to think that the private sector is politicaly powerless, yet: ! I believe in equal distribution of wealth, progressive income tax and ! the gov't confiscation of inheritance, I am not exactly a capitalist. How can you help introduce these ideas if you think capitalists are politicaly powerless? Redistribution of capital is inherently by force and violently resisted by capitali$ts. Andy, the average assets at the date of death for the average American is $200,000.00, not the $1,000,000.00+ average of J$ws. So you support the forceful confiscation of 99.99+% of Edgar Bronfman's assets, leaving the arrogant president of the World Jewish Congress $200,000.00? Communists do. Whatever true value the rich men have with wealth, they'll still have when their wealth is stripped. Do Messers Bronfman, Perelman, Eisner, Frank, Wiesel, Meir, Gates, Oppenheimer, Lazard, Frere, Warburg, Rathenau, etc.? None. Messers Ford, Edison, Rosenberg, Jefferson, Westinghouse, Stallman, etc. do. At least, your smart enough to have realised there is no progressive income tax or confiscation of inheritance in America, the truth being quite different from what the main streamers say, being capitali$t geeks. ! Andrew Mathis -- Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly, and listen to others, even the dull and ignorant; they, too, have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are a vexation to the spirit. If you compare yourself to others, you may become vain and bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interest in your own career ever humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. Do not distress yourself with imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Software wants to be free. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be there. Operating systems are like sex, if you have to pay for it, it's not worth it. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be; and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. The easiest way to make an enemy is to try and change him. Copyright law violates the first amendmant to the Constitution of the United States of America. Go placidly amid the noise and haste and remember what peace there may be in the bar on the corner. As far as possible, without paying too much interest be on good credit terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly and listen to others, even the celebrities and tlevision personalities for they too have their story. Avoid loud and agressive brokers for they are vexations to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others you will become happy for always there will be lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your investments as well as your strategies. Keep interested in your own portfolio, however humble it may be, it is your only real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs for the world is full of trickery but let this not blind you to what virtue there is. Many persons strive for high ideals and and everywhere life is full of heroism. Consult the television listings for your loca l schedule. Especially do not feign investment interest. Neither be cynical about price earnings ratios for in the face of all the bears and disenchantments, profits are as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth, save till you are old enough or rich enough to be excused for being a goat again. Nurture financial strength to shield you in sudden misfortune but do not distress yourself with promising prospecti. Many losses are born of poor price earnings ratios and tax law changes. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with your broker. He is a child of the market, no less than the blue chips and the new mergers, He has a right to be there. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the ticker is unrolling as it should. Therefore, be at peace with the Dow, whatever you conceive him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations in the noisy confusion of market, keep peace within your portfolio. With all it's sham, drudgery and broken dreams it is still the long term earnings that matter. Racism is your best protection against crime. Strive to be independently wealthy. TO MY WHITE GIRL I love you Because you're white, Not because you're charming Or bright. Your whiteness is a silky thread Snaking through my thoughts In redhot patterns Of lust and desire. I love you Because you're white. Your white skin Is what dreams are made of. White is The skin of nobility. You're my Cleopatra, My Eva Braun, Symbol of the rope and black swastika, Of the burning cross. Loving you thus And siring your children that look like you, My heart is made for you. In happiness and duty. ENGLAND BELONGS TO ME Year's'll be it told you ain't as good as us Join the line, sign your name And they all said that our country's going bust But no one's fooled us again England belongs to me A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry OH-Oh, England belongs to ME! We showed the world that the boys are back to stay And you all know what we can do It's still night, FIGHTING ALL THE WAY For the red, white and blue England belongs to me A nation's pride, the dirty water of the rivers No one can take away her ME-MO-Ry OH-Oh, England belongs to ME! +++++ FREE POLITICAL PRISONERS +++++ +++++ FREE GEORGE DAVID LOEB +++++ +++++ IF YOU AGREE COPY THESE LINES TO YOUR SIG +++++ From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 10:13:05 PDT 1996 Article: 83145 of news.admin.net-abuse.misc Newsgroups: netcom.general,netcom.shell.general,alt.flame,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.conspiracy.netcom,alt.destroy.microsoft Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Netcom customers beware. Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:00:23 GMT Lines: 52 Sender: qut@netcom12.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:22897 news.admin.net-abuse.misc:83145 alt.conspiracy.netcom:2121 alt.destroy.microsoft:5943 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In wotan@netcom.com (Wotan) writes: ! Yeah, its a strange cross-post. But I know several people on many of ! these groups have their Netcom accounts becuase of the formerly liberal ! approach to free speech Netcom had. Follow-ups to netcom.general. The only reason. ! Apparenlty Netcom's abuse department has declared excessive posting, the ! making of threats in flame wars, and abusing other posters to be a ! suspendable offense. Making threats is stupid, taking them seriously is even stupider. Oh, is posting to alt.destroy.microsoft constitute a "threat?" ! No, we don't know what exactly excessive posting is. Yes, Netcom did ! tell one person that saying "you are late to your funeral" could be a ! federal crime. And apparently the language you use in your posts, if ! found offensive, could be enough of a reason. Of course, offensive is ! also left vague. I hope Mike Beebe, John Grubor, Andrew Mathis, Jason Silverman, Joel Rosenberg etc., are arrested real soon. ! And yes, these new rules are bieng enforced in an arbitrary and unknown ! fashion. ! ! You doubt? ! ! Just ask Gary Burnore and Scott Dentice what happened to their accounts. ! And why mine and at least five other accounts were not suspended for the Because you work for Netcom? ! same activities. Particularly since The two who were suspended were not ! the worst offenders (except in the making of threats). Over 90% of complaints to admins are malicious and/or groundless. Ask security@netcom.com about that. ! -- ! Nothing is better than Sex. ! Masturbation is better than nothing. ! Therefore, Masturbation is better than Sex. How many years has been since you applied for citizenship? Crossposting saves bandwidth and diskspace. Would the admin idiots prefer multiposting? From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 10:55:55 PDT 1996 Article: 58463 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.flame,soc.culture.german Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!zdc!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Gerhard Weinberg on Bacque's "Other Losses" Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4vc9c5$iv0@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:04:07 GMT Lines: 59 Sender: qut@netcom12.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:58463 alt.flame:22912 soc.culture.german:83326 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4vc9c5$iv0@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> nizkor@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Nizkor) writes: ! Archive/File: people/b/bacque.james bacque.003 ! Last-Modified: 1994/07/01 ! ! In the July 7, 1991 issue of the Washington Post Book World, on page 4, ! Gerhard L. Weinberg, William Rand Kenan Jr. Professor of History at the ! University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and author of numerous ! books and articles on World War II reviewed the second edition of ! Bacque's "Other Losses." Here are some excerpts from the review: ! ! "If the book is unconvincing, it is because it so obviously ! flies in the face of reality. The decision to treat German ! prisoners as a new category originated with the British, not the ! Americans, out of a concern over the anticipated desperate need to ! feed millions of refugees, displaced persons, and hungry civilians ! in a Europe wracked by almost six years of war. Although the new ! epilogue does refer to 'the widespread food shortages of 1946,' in ! the original text these shortages had miraculously vanished. The ! disruption of Europe's economy, with whose results Eisenhower had ! to cope, can hardly be blamed on him. ! ! "When he repeatedly pleaded for more food shipments to cope ! with the terrible food situation in the Europe of the spring and ! summer of 1945, Eisenhower faced two further, related problems of ! which Bacque appears unaware. There still was a war going on, and ! much shipping was engaged in the redeployment of forces to the ! Pacific theatre.... Shipping in turn had been reduced by the ! German effort to starve out Britain; the ships sunk earlier did not ! rise back to the surface after V-E day to carry food from the United ! States and Canada to those who had sent them to the bottom. ! ! "Bacque's statistical extrapolations raise several questions ! the book makes no effort to answer. Where are the hundreds of ! thousands of bodies and why have they not turned up...? Why have ! the relatives of the missing millions not applied for and received ! the death certificates that are so essential for German families ! for purposes of inheritance, pension, remarriage, etc.?" ! ! Weinberg does not deny that there was suffering on the part of German ! POWs, and episodes of brutality on the part of their captors. However, ! his conclusion on Bacque is: ! ! "When researchers after the original appearance of Bacque's ! book found that he had put words in the mouth of an elderly key ! witness who has since repudiated his testimony, Bacque in the new ! epilogue denounces them. When they pointed to a 1945 report that ! showed the bulk of the "other losses" were members of the ! *Volksturm* or people's militia - schoolboys and the elderly - who ! had been released without formal discharges, he declares in his new ! Appendix 11 that this was a bit of fakery concocted by Eisenhower ! to conceal the deaths. As a true believer in his own fables, ! Bacque cannot be convinced by evidence." ! Who cares what the media monopoly has to say on the subject? They would have preferred that all Europeans had been murdered. From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 14:53:12 PDT 1996 Article: 58487 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.flame,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,alt.rush-limbaugh Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: White Power Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4v5cqc$dro@news0-alterdial.uu.net> <211303Z18081996@anon.penet.fi> <3218BB10.5B5A@mbox300.swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:58:42 GMT Lines: 46 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:40147 alt.flame:22928 alt.revisionism:58487 soc.culture.europe:47228 alt.rush-limbaugh:110432 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <3218BB10.5B5A@mbox300.swipnet.se> Leif Wermelin writes: ! Reuben wrote: ! > ! > On 8/17/96 4:19PM, in message <4v5cqc$dro@news0-alterdial.uu.net>, ! > niteowl wrote: ! > ! > > White Power is like saying Military Intelligence, the two words don't ! > > even go together ! > > ! > ! > Lack of Military Intelligence has lost lives and wars! ! > ! > Lack of WHITE POWER has lost the lives of white people and white ! > nations! ! > ! > "RACISM,it's not just for breakfast anymore!" ! > ! > NetNazi_#013 ! ! It seems as if you believe it's cool with nazism? Well, what's so cool ! with wars? Do we really need wars? What do you think that you defend Wars protect the rights of the people. ! when you fight for your country? Your family? Yea, maybe them but one Race. ! thing that you ought to know is that you certainly do defend your ! government which isn't on your side. When you stand there and sing your The governement will be on our side when the people force it to be. ! glorious songs about nationalism, and being a patriot etc they sure have ! got you blindfolded. The day you realize that governments always have ! tried to fool the people to believe that they're representing the people ! you've learned a lot. The governement will be on our side when the people force it to be. ! Start fighting the real enemy which!! Pacifists? From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 14:53:13 PDT 1996 Article: 58490 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,alt.homosexual,alt.revisionism,alt.flame Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!laslo.netnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!demos!news1.relcom.ru!EU.net!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Troll and Chum Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <199608181703.MAA29731@alpha.jpunix.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:26:22 GMT Lines: 56 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:69173 soc.culture.israel:41593 alt.homosexual:61700 alt.revisionism:58490 alt.flame:22932 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <199608181703.MAA29731@alpha.jpunix.com> whitewolf@nym.jpunix.com writes: ! >From: NetNazi_#013 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 96 08:16:00 ! >Message-ID: <082302Z18081996@anon.penet.fi> ! .> ! >When you TROLL,a net is cast and there is no telling what you ! >will catch. ! .> ! >When you CHUM,you throw out blood and fish guts,and you ! >will attract predators. ! .> ! >After all,this is alt.politics.WHITE-POWER and ! >alt.politics.nationalism.WHITE! ! .> ! >"Racism!,it's not just for breakfast,anymore!" ! .> ! >NetNazi_#013 ! ! Hi NetNazi_#13, ! ! Great to see your posts on these groups!!! ! ! As to attracting predators, you got this wolfs attention! ! ! BTW, I got your reply to message, am replying. ! ! Whitewolf. ! ! >From the Holocaust Calander: ! ! 8/17/86: ! A front-page article by B. Amouyal in the Jerusalem Post quotes ! Yad Vashem Archives director Shmuel Krakowski to the effect ! that "Over half of the 20,000 testimonies from Holocaust ! survivors on record at Yad Vashem are 'unreliable' and have ! never been used as evidence in Nazi war crimes trials." The ! story also states, "Krakowski says that many survivors, wanting ! 'to be part of history' may have let their imaginations run ! away with them. 'Many were never in the places where they claim ! to have witnessed atrocities, while others relied on ! second-hand information given them by friends or passing ! strangers,' according to Krakowski." (paragraph) "A large ! number of testimonies on file were later proved inaccurate when ! locations and dates could not pass an expert historian's appraisal." ! ! ! ************************************************************** ! * White Pride * \ \/HITE\ \/OLF * World Wide * ! ************************************************************** ! * Aryan Corps Organizer * Whitewolf@alpha.c2.org * ! * Member of INN/OA * Whitewolf@nym.jpunix.com * ! ************************************************************** This all looks like that jerk Rush Graves . From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 14:53:13 PDT 1996 Article: 58512 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.revisionism,soc.couples.intercultural,alt.personals.intercultural,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.russia,soc.culture.russian,alt.politics.white-power,rec.music.classical Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: How To Select A Good Husband Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:54:58 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:22940 alt.revisionism:58512 soc.couples.intercultural:17482 alt.personals.intercultural:1850 soc.culture.europe:47229 soc.culture.russian:20300 alt.politics.white-power:40157 rec.music.classical:110739 [Followups-To: alt.flame] One lies lifeless, Stabbed by sword, Another, pierced by arrow, With their crimson blood, Have they fed our soil. He who fell for Russia in noble death, His dead eyes will I kiss, His cold brow caress. And to him, brave lad, Who remained alive, I shall be a true and a loving wife. I'll not wed a man for his handsomeness, Earthly charm and beauty fast fade and die. I shall marry a valiant man and true. Hark, ye warriers brave, Answer make to me. Hark, ye falcons bright. From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 15:04:59 PDT 1996 Article: 40151 of alt.politics.white-power Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: I Love You, White Girl Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4ug1n1$bb8@clark.zippo.com> <4unf43$h9r@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <4v8bcs$spd@chaos.dac.neu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:13:25 GMT Lines: 50 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:22936 alt.politics.white-power:40151 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4v8bcs$spd@chaos.dac.neu.edu> pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Philip Kasiecki) writes: ! Pissed Youth (qut@netcom.com) wrote: ! : [Followups-To: alt.flame] ! ! : qwerty@WPI.EDU (Michael David Scott) writes: ! : ! >You're my Cleopatra ! : ! ! : ! Wasn't Cleopatra Egyptian, hence black, and therefore not very pretty? ! ! : The Irish are good looking, hence not Black. ! ! : The Egyptians were good looking, hence wern't Black. ! ! Actually, many Black women are good-looking. And that "I love you ! White girl" poem makes me sick- loving someone simply because of their ! race is racist, and stoopid. That is typical anti-racist lying. Whites have only been attracted to colour because of the millions of messages of indoctrination since infancy in the cult of anti-racism, the creed of the ruling class. We racists will destroy the cults, and eventually make ugliness unfashionable. Beauty is a strong componant of the white genotype, I admire race without even realising it, it's a healthy instinct, connected to the instinct to find the best to enjoy reproducing with. ! Phil "but then, I've come to expect that" Kasiecki ! ! -- ! Philip T. Kasiecki ! Electrical and Computer Engineering ! Northeastern University Class of 1999 I see you didn't notice that the poem came from Eldridge Cleaver's book Soul On Ice, with the word hate changed to love. That book which expresses the organised African American campaign to exterminate the white race here and in the whole world, has increasing been required reading for children to make African Americans act more violently to white children, and to make white children more submissive to rape and murder. How many thousands of rapes have been caused by anti-racism? -- "National socalism is the opposite of everything today." -- Gregor Strasser From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 15:05:00 PDT 1996 Article: 40152 of alt.politics.white-power Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: I Love You, White Girl Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4ug1n1$bb8@clark.zippo.com> <4unf43$h9r@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <4v8bcs$spd@chaos.dac.neu.edu> <4v8uka$l8b@news.ecn.bgu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:16:29 GMT Lines: 38 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:22937 alt.politics.white-power:40152 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4v8uka$l8b@news.ecn.bgu.edu> mugeb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Geoffrey E Brewster) writes: ! Philip Kasiecki (pkasieck@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote: ! ! : Actually, many Black women are good-looking. And that "I love you ! : White girl" poem makes me sick- loving someone simply because of their ! : race is racist, and stoopid. ! ! : Phil "but then, I've come to expect that" Kasiecki ! ! : -- ! : Philip T. Kasiecki ! : Electrical and Computer Engineering ! : Northeastern University Class of 1999 ! ! -- ! Thanks for the comment, Phil. I want to publicly state that my wife, who ! happens to be black, is one of the most beautiful women in the world. As ! one of you white-supremicists so recently said--PROVE ME WRONG!!! ! ****************************************************************************** ! Geoffrey E. Brewster Political Science Department ! mugeb@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu Western Illinois University ! http://www.wiu.edu/users/mugeb/home.htm PH. (309)298-1349 ! ****************************************************************************** ! ! Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and ! mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day. ! ! --Thomas Jefferson, April 24, 1816 in a letter to Du Pont de Nemours So post a .gif of that Black bitch meat to usenet -- we'll tell you how ugly we thinks she is. -- National socialism is the opposite of everthing today. From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 15:45:23 PDT 1996 Article: 58520 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.europe,alt.flame Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: America Is Rightfully White, Forever Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4v7pbo$13s@news1.gte.net> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:21:55 GMT Lines: 28 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:40164 alt.revisionism:58520 soc.culture.europe:47231 alt.flame:22949 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4v7pbo$13s@news1.gte.net> truth@nowhere.com ("The Truth") writes: ! I've read several postings on this newsgroup with people expressing ! that "minorities ought to go home", or "give the niggers their own ! country", "niggers are destroying the nation". What a bunch of ! bullshit. America (and that means white trash, niggers, chinks, ! mexicans, and all the rest) DEPEND on Arab oil for their very ! existence. I've seen just about every race degraded on this ! newsgroup, yet they don't think about just how much America depends on ! those "backwards" nations. Arabs call the shots right now because ! they have all the oil. It's almost like a "junkie' - "drugdealer" ! relationship. What difference does anything you say make? We're going to take away America from the third world, take away the cities and the countryside >from Africa and Asia, we're going to take away all the money from the rich and set the white preppies to pickaxes digging ditches. Harlem, Los Angeles, El Paso, Seattle, Berkeley, Atlanta, Miami, Minneapolis, Chicago, Anacostia, Palo Alto, Cleveland, Boston, etc., are all rightfully white property, to be confiscated from it's present rulers and populated by the to be growing healthy progressive working class. "We," being the conscience of the white race, the racists the doers. There's still 600,000,000 million of us left, there's just no hope that repression will ever be lifted, we should honour and encourage heroes of the people like George Loeb and Kevin Moeski. From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 17:24:16 PDT 1996 Article: 58533 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.politics.clinton,alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.guns,soc.culture.europe,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.censorship,alt.law-enforcement Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!decwrl!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: David Duke Campaigns To Become An America-First Senator Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <062304Z13081996@anon.penet.fi> <32112AC8.4289@intersurf.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:37:23 GMT Lines: 81 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:22968 alt.politics.clinton:276042 talk.politics.guns:301384 soc.culture.europe:47232 alt.discrimination:52283 alt.revisionism:58533 alt.politics.white-power:40171 alt.censorship:95290 alt.law-enforcement:39080 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <32112AC8.4289@intersurf.com> evil Beavis writes: ! The honourable Vyshinsky wrote: ! > ! > There may be millions of Americans who believe as David Duke does, yet ! > not one like him is to be found in the halls of Congress, perhaps not ! > even in the state legislatures. Mr. Duke did make it into the Lousiana ! > House of Representatives for one term and later challenged anti-racists ! > in campaigns for Senator and Governor, losing in the run-offs with forty ! > three and a half and thirty eight percent respectively. ! ! As far as running for Senator this year, the coward and bigot David Duke It takes great courage to challenge the ruling class. It's anti-racism that is the religion of perishing cowardice. ! is only attracting about 7% of the Louisiana Republicans so far. He and ! his ideology preys on ignorant and incompetent rural poor whites who ! fall for his race baiting deceit. Unfortunately Louisiana is a poor ! state where such demagougery can attract some votes. He will not be a ! serious contender however. Liar. He's being challeged by one African American Democrat, three white Democrats, and two white Republicans. We already know how you much you despise the working class, but your just some selfish lazy preppie scum who's never worked a day in his life. ! > Mr. Duke is again challenging anti-racists for the Senate seat ! > being abandoned by J. Bennet Johnson. He is fighting against four ! > Republicans and two Democrats, one of the latter being Cleo Fields, an ! > African currently serving in Congress. ! ! Fields is a black American and no more African than you or Duke are ! European. He is undoubtedly a more upstanding citizen than you are. ! ! > ! > This state's election pits all candidates against each other, with the ! > top two vote getters facing a run-off. If Messers Duke and Fields are on ! > the top of the heap, there will be a fascinating elactoral war in ! > Americas Zebra state, genuine American and African nationalists ! > confronting each other to the din of the media eggheads. Will ! > Mr. Duke recieve any support from the Republican party, or will the GOP ! > back Mr. Fields despite supposed party differences? ! ! You are completely ignorant Fields is not running for the seat. Two ! white democrats are - Ieyoub and Landrieu (a woman). Ieyoub is favored ! to win. ! ! > ! > The governor of Louisiana, Mike Foster, announced he would support any ! > Republican, even Mr. Duke, who succeeded to the run-off. The ! > anti-racists attacked him vigourously until Mr. Foster was forced to ! > withhold support from any candidate who advocated racism. ! ! A good thing to. At least he has some decency left. A coward praising a coward. ! > We live in a Republic which more or less excludes a sizable minority from ! > voting for representatives who supports it's views. We are free to ! > speak, to express opposition to the men in power, but not to challenge ! > their authority. Where are there other racist candidates running for ! > Congress with any hope of success, in the style of Mr. Duke? Hopefully, ! > with the terrorist threat of the global colored archipelago, racists ! > will be inspired to unify and fight for the race, whether ought of fear, ! > or hope. ! > ! > --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** ! > Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. ! > Please, report inappropriate use to abuse@anon.penet.fi ! > For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help@anon.penet.fi ! > If you have any problems, address them to admin@anon.penet.fi ! ! ! You're a moron. That's the best your degree got you, preppie? ! eB From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 17:28:46 PDT 1996 Article: 27577 of alt.politics.nationalism.white Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.flame,talk.abortion,rec.org.mensa Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: No Nonwhites At All Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <032303Z17081996@anon.penet.fi> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:26:41 GMT Lines: 30 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:40170 alt.politics.nationalism.white:27577 alt.flame:22967 talk.abortion:182800 rec.org.mensa:73918 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <032303Z17081996@anon.penet.fi> an617359@anon.penet.fi (NetNazi_#013) writes: ! Question:How many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence ! were non-white? ! ! For the 'mensa' crowd,allow a 1/64ths of non-white blood mixture to ! render the individual(s) an actual non-white,since you will argue ! the point anyway. There were no nonwhites at all. Race mixing was extremely rare at the time, colour being highly undesirable to whites. They also had a very low birthrate, the mixed race effectually exterminating themselves each generation. Thus, there were no nonwhites at all at who figure into European culture in any contributary non parasitical way. Only until recently has race mixing started, such as J$ws raping whites. Thank God for abortion. ! "I did what!?";Abraham Lincoln ! ! NetNazi_#013 ! ! --****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--****ATTENTION****--***ATTENTION*** ! Your e-mail reply to this message WILL be *automatically* ANONYMIZED. ! Please, report inappropriate use to abuse@anon.penet.fi ! For information (incl. non-anon reply) write to help@anon.penet.fi ! If you have any problems, address them to admin@anon.penet.fi From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 18:52:15 PDT 1996 Article: 58550 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.revisionism,soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.israel,alt.flame,alt.rush-limbaugh,soc.culture.europe Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.total.net!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!n1ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Whites Created Everything Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4v5cqc$dro@news0-alterdial.uu.net> <3218B8B4.346@mbox300.swipnet.se> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:53:40 GMT Lines: 37 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.politics.white-power:40183 alt.revisionism:58550 soc.culture.nordic:46853 soc.culture.israel:41603 alt.flame:22980 alt.rush-limbaugh:110457 soc.culture.europe:47233 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <3218B8B4.346@mbox300.swipnet.se> Leif Wermelin writes: ! Polattolah wrote: ! > ! > >White Power is like saying Military Intelligence, the two words don't ! > >even go together ! > ! > Then who developed steam engines, jet engines, aircraft, modern medicines, ! > computers, spacecraft, modern physics and everything else that is worthwhile. Not only did whites create those, we also created democracy, such as the way old communistic German tribes ran themselves. We also created the concept of rebellion, the concept of the Earth, and the concept of the universe. We also created cooperation between races, urges to economic equality, all the evolution in modern man. We created EVERYTHING. Without the racist whites to keep civilization alive, colour would immediately set about to destroy all life on Earth, rendering the dream of our God Mother Nature dead. Have a big happy white family today! ! > Now That's power. ! ! Ever heard of colonilism? How the white opressed the blacks and used ! their countries to invent stupid things as those you counted. ! Isn't it true that all of our science and research has caused so much ! damage that in about fifthy years down the line there won't be no life ! on this planet? Oh, we're so smart, we just invented a space-rocket ! which can carry us to the moon - well, go live there then!! ! About racism: why fight eachother, let's start fight the real enemy ! those who oppresses us; governments, the rich and the ignorant, ! apatethic fucks... Has it ever occured to you that it's not the institutions themselves at fault, but the selfish criminals that run all governments extant? ! In The Struggle/ Henk From qut@netcom.com Tue Aug 20 22:43:25 PDT 1996 Article: 58589 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.exodus.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: David Duke Campaigns To Become An America-First Senator Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <062304Z13081996@anon.penet.fi> <4v299m$cdl@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:44:45 GMT Lines: 34 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23000 alt.revisionism:58589 alt.discrimination:52288 alt.politics.white-power:40198 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4v299m$cdl@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu> spok+@cs.cmu.edu (John Mark Ockerbloom) writes: ! [Followups narrowed to relevant newsgroups] ! ! In article <062304Z13081996@anon.penet.fi>, somebody posting as ! wrote: ! >We live in a Republic which more or less excludes a sizable minority from ! >voting for representatives who supports it's views. ! ! No, we [Americans] *used* to live in such a Republic. You may remember it: ! the 'grandfather clauses', the 'literacy tests', the poll taxes, and the ! other forms of obstruction and intimidation that kept many of its citizens ! -- in particular, black citizens -- from being able to vote. ! ! Now, any adult citizen (who's not a convicted felon) can vote, if they ! bother to get out of their armchairs, register, and go down to the polls ! or mail in an absentee ballot. It's just that few of them want to vote ! for the sort of people who want to bring America back to the state ! I described above. ! ! BTW, I did notice that another article by this poster started out with ! ! Ru$h Grave$ detweil$: ! ^^^^^^^^ ! ! Detweiler? Is that you? It's been a while since I've ! seen you trolling the newsgroups I've read... ! ! John Mark Ockerbloom Liar. It was the white race who was exploited by traditional southern racial policies. Tolerance up the butt. From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 07:07:46 PDT 1996 Article: 58612 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.society.conservatism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.fan.newt-gingrich,alt.flame,alt.rush-limbaugh Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: qut@netcom.com awarded $1M federal grant Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4v80ea$lb6@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> <4v8f3d$1ho@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:42:32 GMT Lines: 233 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.usenet.kooks:28383 alt.politics.usa.republican:258768 alt.revisionism:58612 alt.politics.white-power:40214 alt.society.conservatism:50138 alt.fan.rush-limbaugh:358886 alt.flame:23021 alt.rush-limbaugh:110478 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In llurch@stanford.edu (Rush Graves) writes: ! Followups trimmed only slightly now in the hopes that the gentleman from ! Irvine might follow them. ! ! In article <4v8f3d$1ho@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, ! joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) wrote: ! ! > How typical: Rather than address the substantive issue involved (i.e. ! > the propriety of the hard-pressed U.S. taxpayers being forced to give ! > multimillionaire [billionaire?] Stephen Spielberg a check for $1 ! > million so that he can launch yet another Holocaust project at public ! > expense, those such as the below correspondent immediately resort to ad ! > hominum attacks, name-calling, etc. ! ! You posted no substantive issues. The story was the fabrication of an ! organization Judge Robert Bork characterizes as a bunch of antisemitic ! liars. If you believe otherwise, please cite the legislation appropriating ! one million dollars for Stephen Spielberg. Either page numbers from the ! Congressional Record or URLs from http://thomas.loc.gov/ are acceptable. ! ! Please state, specifically, what parts of my article you considered ad ! hominem or name-calling. What I did was point people to a full-text ! archive, unedited, of your postings for the last several months, and to ! the official full-text archive of the source for your story. If you ! believe that providing pointers to your own postings and to your own ! source are so damaging to your credibility as to amount to an ad hominem ! attack, then I would suggest that you have some deeper problems you should ! deal with first. ! ! If you find it threatening that The Spotlight is available in both the ! Stanford and University of California library systems, accurately ! classified as "ANTISEMITISM--PERIODICALS" according to the Library of ! Congress schema, so that anyone with access to those library systems can ! walk into the library, pick up any copy, and decide for themselves that ! yes, only a seriously twisted kook would be interested in that nonsense, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ! than I would suggest that you have some deeper problems you should deal ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ! with first. The Spotlight may be referenced as ISSN 0191-6270. ! ! > Funny thing is, I've read numerous defenses of the "neo-nazi" slander ! > frequently slung at THE SPOTLIGHT -- typically by those who Pat ! > Buchanan's characterized as Israel's "amen corner" in the U.S. -- from ! > people who are liberal, leftist, "moderate" as well as from folks who ! > are essentially non-political. ! ! The syntax of the sentence above is very difficult to follow. If I may Illiterate. ! paraphrase, it appears that you are saying that a broad spectrum of ! America, including moderates and non-political types, agrees that The ! Spotlight is neo-Nazi trash. Indeed, the range of people who consider him ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ! and his so-called "Liberty Lobby" neo-Nazi trash extends well into the ^^^^^^^^ ! right wing. The far right wing. ! ! In fact, among the organizations that have expelled the founder of The ! Spotlight, Willis Carto, as neo-Nazi trash are the John Birch Society, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ! which can hardly be characterized as "liberal, leftist, 'moderate' [or] ! essentially non-political." Neither can William F. Buckley Jr., John ! Ashbrook, Fulton Lewis III, James J. Kilpatrick, Henry Kissinger, and ! Robert Bork. The Christian Coalition, which has declared its "open mind" ! about the Moonie cult, will not touch anything that Willis Carto has ! touched with a ten-foot pole. Would you characterize the Christian ! Coalition as "liberal, leftist, 'moderate' [or] essentially ! non-political"? On racial issues, yes. ! At http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/c/carto.willis/carto.003 find some ! derogatory comments about Carto and his Liberty Lobby from Mark Weber, ! who, far from being "liberal, leftist, 'moderate' [or] essentially ! non-political," is not even anti-Nazi. Tom Marcellus, of course, was ! kicked out of Scientology for his pro-Nazi views -- and they think Cart is ! an extremist. Believe it or not, revisionism not only permits, but actually requires self criticism. This is very different from anti-racist so called scholars. ! | "Our main problem was editorial direction," Mark Weber, editor of ! | the Journal for Historic Review, said in an interview. "He wanted ! | to make substantive changes in the direction of the review. He ! | wanted to become more 'racialist,' to make it more clearly white ! | racist." ! | ! | Carto's intent became clear last April, according Marcellus, who ! | remembered a table-pounding session of outbursts "a la Nikita ! | Khrushchev." ! | ! | While the senior staff editors listened in dismay, they said, ! | Carto declared his intention to slash journal stories devoted to ! | the Holocaust by 80%. Eventually, they were told, the topic would ! | vanish entirely along with the name of the journal. ! | ! | "The focus of the new journal would be race and ! | multiculturalism," recalled Weber in a letter to subscribers. "In ! | one written memo, Carto called for an article to appear 'proving' ! | the partial African ancestry of President (Dwight) Eisenhower. . ! | . . The staff told Carto that to transform our journal into such ! | a periodical would be suicidal." ! | ! | For years, they had tried to win a measure of credibility for ! | their movement with a journal that strived for a sober tone ! | although mainstream historians still scoffed at the results. ! | Suddenly, it appeared to the staff members that their glossy, ! | scholarly-looking journal--with a paid circulation of 6,000--was ! | in danger of transforming into little more than a crude racist ! | rag. ! | ! | In his own correspondence to old allies in the Holocaust denial ! | movement, Carto would later argue that he simply was trying to ! | expand the focus of the journal to include articles on ancient ! | history, culture, art, religion, philosophy, social and racial ! | matters. ! | ! | The staff didn't buy the Renaissance argument; they threatened ! | mass resignation. ! | ! | "Having suffered Carto's machinations, hair-brained (sic) ! | schemes, mismanagement, insults and irrationality long enough, ! | the senior staff met to determine the course of action to stop ! | Carto from taking harmful actions," said Marcellus in his court ! | declaration. ! ! ! > Personally, I've never seen ANYTHING that a fair-minded observer ! > could say was "neo-nazi" in THE SPOTLIGHT newspaper. ! ! Please provide the table of contents of one representative issue since ! 1992, and I will identify why I believe that at least two of those ! articles serve a blatantly neo-Nazi agenda -- not surprising, since the ! founder of The Spotlight, Willis Carto, is rather central to the (rather ! small and pathetic) neo-Nazi movement in America. ! ! > Then again, as Joe Sobran -- the ex-longtime-NATIONAL REVIEW ! > columnist who was kicked off that magazine after being spuriously ! > labelled an "antisemite" for criticizing Israel -- has noted, there are ! > just some things which, while Israelis themselves can say them, ! > ironically are "taboo" for non-Jewish Americans to say. ! > (See Sobran's fascinating and enlightening article "In Our Time" in ! > this regard. It's been posted online several times in recent months.) ! ! Er, yes. And Joe Sobran's position on Willis Carto is...? ! ! > "Don't like the idea of an essentially-bankrupt U.S. Treasury giving ! > hugely wealthy Hollywood director Spielberg a million bucks 'cause ! > there are American kids who could use that money for new computers or ! > summer jobs?," say the American apologists for Israel. Their answer ! > appears to be, "JUST SHADDUP AND PAY!" ! ! And you are quoting whom? ! ! Besides the fact that all of your substantive claims are lies, another ! reason I found your crocodile tears about "computers for the needy" so ! offensive is that I have been involved in precisely that. If you would ! like to do something, as I have, talk to John Gage or see ! http://www.pluggedin.org/ ! ! Put your money where your mouth is, fraud. How many computers for needy ! children could the money raised by Willis Carto's neo-Nazi front groups ^^^^^^^^ ! buy? ! ! > Note, too, how "Rich" deleted the body of my original post ! > questioning the proporiety of giving Spielberg the money rather than ! > spending it on needy Americans. Apparently -- and with good reason -- ! > he didn't want the readers of his followup to read what I wrote for ! > themselves. ! ! In what way did I "delete" your post? ! ! > He chose, rather, to go right to the gutter -- where he ! > belongs, IMO -- a function of his being bereft of a well-reasoned ! > response. ! ! If you say "the sky is orange," "the earth is flat," or "the Jews make you ! pay a kosher tax," http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/nyms/charles, ! excuse me for not wasting my time on a well-reasoned response. I feel that ! additional citations to your own words, http://www.dejanews.com/, and the ! Spotlight's own words, ! http://nethomes.com/Miracle/Spotlight/Spotlight.html, are sufficiently ! self-discrediting that they constitute no threat to reasonable people. ! ! > BTW, "Rich," thanks much for giving me an excuse to direct people's ! > attention to THE SPOTLIGHT, a decidedly NON-"neo-nazi" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Really? I was all fixed to subscribe before you said that. Tell me it isn't true. ! > conservative/populist publication whose subscription department can be ! > reached at (800) 522-6292. Those interested in advertising may call ! > (301) 722-1948 or FAX @ (301) 722-2810. ! > ! > In rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) ! > writes: ! > > ! > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ! > > ! > >Followups to alt.usenet.kooks. ! > > ! > >In article <4v80ea$lb6@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, ! > >joebuck@ix.netcom.com(Charles) wrote: ! > > ! > >> From the 8/12/96 issue of the excellent weekly populist newspaper ! > >>THE SPOTLIGHT: ! > > ! > >Why stop with a single out-of-context quote when the whole thing is ! > online? ! > > ! > >The official home page of this very entertaining neo-Nazi tabloid, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ! > >featuring the full text and a few back issues, is available at: ! > > ! > > http://nethomes.com/Miracle/Spotlight/Spotlight.html ! > [snip] Jerk, we're going to set all you preppie homos to work for the state tearing out Richard Serra's artwork with pickaxes for scrap iron. You'll like manual labour, really you will. I do it myself, it invigourates the soul. We need all our cities and working class back! From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 11:38:58 PDT 1996 Article: 58730 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame.rush-limbaugh,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,alt.censorship,alt.fan.alan-keyes Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!laslo.netnet.net!en.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!nntp.wwwi.com!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: David Duke Campaigns To Become An America-First Senator Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <062304Z13081996@anon.penet.fi> <4v03p2$tar@tetsuo.communique.net> <3213aba9.0@news3.paonline.com> <321472ea.8031576@news.netheaven.com> <4v501l$jvl@huitzilo.tezcat.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:46:46 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.discrimination:52316 alt.revisionism:58730 alt.politics.white-power:40286 alt.censorship:95409 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4v501l$jvl@huitzilo.tezcat.com> nrn@tezcat.com (Norman Nithman) writes: ! In article <321472ea.8031576@news.netheaven.com>, ! Thomas Steegmann wrote: ! >On 15 Aug 96 22:58:49 GMT, clell@woodtech.com (Clell A. Harmon) wrote: ! >> ! >> He wore his sheet and hid his face didn't he? A Coward. ! > ! > For the 'Right', its more of a badge of honor, or a rite of ! >passage. ! > ! ! As far as I remember, Duke first came to notice as a college student ! for donning a Nazi uniform and demonstrating in front of where ! radical lawyer William Kunstler was appearing. ! ! May Duke burn in Hell. Hooray for Duke! Put the Chicago Seven court back in Auschwitz! ! -- ! Norman Nithman nrn@tezcat.com http://www.tezcat.com/~nrn From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 12:57:20 PDT 1996 Article: 58743 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Leaders Of Jewish Group Muscle Millions In Pay Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:53:21 GMT Lines: 4 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23093 alt.revisionism:58743 alt.politics.white-power:40294 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In 1993, the average pay packet of the one hundred sixty one partners of Goldman, Sachs, Inc., was eleven million dollars each. From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 12:57:21 PDT 1996 Article: 58750 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.revisionism Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.exodus.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Gerhard Weinberg on Bacque's "Other Losses" Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4vc9c5$iv0@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:18:07 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23102 alt.revisionism:58750 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In schwartz@infinet.com writes: ! In article , qut@netcom.com (Skip) wrote: ! ! ! > Who cares what the media monopoly has to say on the subject? They would ! > have preferred that all Europeans had been murdered. ! ! And your proof of this bizarre assertion is...? ! ! Skippy, you're a real idiot. The ruling classes desire to exterminate the white race. ! Sara ! ! -- ! "It's always nice to see a prejudice overruled by a deeper prejudice." ! John Sayles, _Lone Star_ From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 14:18:55 PDT 1996 Article: 58751 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.flame,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!psgrain!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.thenet.net!news.supernet.net!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!mr.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Join the Klan! - And meet nice people Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <840493108snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:07:01 GMT Lines: 22 Sender: qut@netcom12.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:58751 alt.flame:23103 alt.politics.white-power:40297 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <840493108snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron writes: ! Cleaned up Klan woos middle America, by Christopher Goodwin Zinc, ! published in the Sunday Times, August 18, 1996, page 1.18. ! ! "IT IS a challenge that would tax the most de- ! vious political spin doctor: the Ku Klux Klan (KKK), founded to ! enforce white supremacy and keep 'uppity niggers' down, is ! launching a recruitment drive and claims that it wants to become ! more respectable. ! The racist language has been toned down and the organisation, ! founded in 1866, is now more likely to hold coffee mornings than ! cross burnings as it tries to attract new recruits." Fascinating. But I'm not going to join the Klan because of their knee jerk intolerant views on religion and economics. ! -- ! "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself ! the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 14:18:56 PDT 1996 Article: 58754 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.flame,news.admin.net-abuse.misc Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!noc.van.hookup.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!nic.wat.hookup.net!xenitec!academ!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman) Subject: Re: Anti-Racist Attacks Victim With 100 Meg Mailbomb Via Uunet Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4vbfj0$gtr@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> <321A186A.694A@gryn.org> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:33:41 GMT Lines: 42 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:58754 alt.flame:23115 news.admin.net-abuse.misc:83525 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <321A186A.694A@gryn.org> Alec Grynspan writes: ! Matt Giwer wrote: ! > ! > Here we have a holohugger refusing to post what he claims are ! > megabytes of physical evidence. ! ! Why do you refuse to accept what I have promised to be nothing but ! physical evidence? ! ! Why do you refuse it, claiming that it is a mailbomb? ! ! Why do you call a mere hundred megabytes a mailbomb? whois gryn.org: FidoNet NET250 (GRYN-DOM) 152 McMorran Crescent Thornhill, Ontario L4J 2Y2 Canada Domain Name: GRYN.ORG Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Grynspan, Alec (AG50) alec@GRYN.ORG 905-889-3995 Record last updated on 05-Jan-95. Record created on 01-Nov-94. Domain servers in listed order: NS.UUNET.CA 142.77.1.1 NS.UU.NET 137.39.1.3 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 14:18:57 PDT 1996 Article: 58755 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,alt.disasters.aviation Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!vertex.tor.hookup.net!hookup!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.erols.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Anti-Racist Airport Executive Attacks White Customer Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:48:08 GMT Lines: 8 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23116 alt.revisionism:58755 alt.politics.white-power:40300 soc.culture.europe:47238 alt.disasters.aviation:1567 [Followups-To: alt.flame] When the truck of Mario Trevino, a seventy six thousand dollar a year official of the Dallas/Ft. Worth Municipal Airport, came in second in a race to a parking space with Charlotte Angel's car, he attacked her vehicle with a key, or other metal object, scrathing her vehicle from bumper to bumper. Mr. Trevino, a Latin American, was charged with criminal mischief for his anti-racist personality. From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 14:37:18 PDT 1996 Article: 58761 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.flame Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.etri.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!news.cdsnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!gatech!news.mindspring.com!newspump.sol.net!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman) Subject: Re: How To Select A Good Husband Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4vd2jg$89@lendl.cc.emory.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:24:03 GMT Lines: 39 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:58761 alt.flame:23118 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4vd2jg$89@lendl.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes: ! Skip (qut@netcom.com) wrote: ! : [Followups-To: alt.flame] ! ! No, no. Bad Skipster. Stand there and take your medicine ! like a man. ! ! ! : One lies lifeless, ! : Stabbed by sword, ! : Another, pierced by arrow, ! : With their crimson blood, ! : Have they fed our soil. ! : ! : He who fell for Russia in noble death, ! : His dead eyes will I kiss, ! : His cold brow caress. ! : ! : And to him, brave lad, ! : Who remained alive, ! : I shall be a true and a loving wife. ! : ! : I'll not wed a man for his handsomeness, ! : Earthly charm and beauty fast fade and die. ! : ! : I shall marry a valiant man and true. ! : Hark, ye warriers brave, ! : Answer make to me. ! : ! : Hark, ye falcons bright. Great movie, isn't it? A great motif of European progress. -- Skip, OBC From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 17:13:15 PDT 1996 Article: 58795 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.flame,soc.culture.german,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.stealth.net!demos!news1.best.com!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.compuserve.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman) Subject: Mr. Goldhagen Discloses Virtue Of Hating Jewish Americans Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:44:39 GMT Lines: 167 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:58795 alt.flame:23143 soc.culture.german:83441 alt.politics.white-power:40323 [Followups-To: alt.flame] Good Morning from the Zundelsite: One of my all-time favorite writers is George Fowler, Editor of the Barnes Review, Willis Carto's new publishing baby since his falling-out with the Institute for Historical Review. The Carto/IHR feud is well-known and has caused grief to many. Carto felt, rightly or wrongly, that Revisionism, as practiced by the editors of the Journal for Historical Review, was too narrow in focus and not relevant enough for mainstream America. The IHR felt otherwise since it had carved itself a niche in Holocaust Revisionism - unique, respected globally as a scholarly publishing venture. The mission of Carto's new magazine was to broaden the reach of Revisionism. Whether or not he has succeeded is open to question. The Barnes Review is certainly a very popular magazine. I enjoy it and find time to read it, cover to cover. I find it soft and a bit blurry, however-like glasses that do not quite fit. I vastly more enjoy the hard, cold blade of IHR Revisionism that keeps on whittling at the deep tap root that feeds that vast monstrosity, the so-called "Holocaust" as it is widely understood. George Fowler knows this, too His grasp on what is plaguing our world is firm. His editorials are well-thought-out and always on the mark. I'll give you a taste of his writing, a bit condensed, entitled "The Goldhagen Tour de Farce: Racial Guilt." (August 1996) Here is what Fowler has to say: The Holocaust Industry has vaulted a vile and racist book written by one Daniel Goldhagen to stardom on the New York Times best-seller list. Whether one considers this work, "Hitler's Willing Executioners", an unintentional self-parody of the most irresponsible "Holocaust" literature or a brazen attempt to counter (with sheer chutzpah) the ever-mounting and conclusive evidence against the long-mandatory "6 million" figure, two things are certain: Alfred Knopf, the once-respected publishing name, has besmirched itself by issuing this work dripping with racist venom against an entire people and one filled with lies to fire the hatred it incites. Whether one finds this book outrageously vile or unintentionally hilarious - take your pick - it is the product of a twisted mind in a perverse era. Goldhagen makes the accusation - unsupported, as usual, because it is indefensible - that Germans "extinguished the lives of 6 million Jews." Yet he doesn't stop there. Apparently, the lack of evidence of any such slaughter is driving those who make their living and meeting their political goals by keeping the Holocaust myth alive, to claim that all Germans are "guilty" of this alleged atrocity, including, logically, white Americans, the majority of whom have German blood in their veins. Using the same logic, would not all Russians bear the responsibility for the 20 million slaughtered by their Soviet leaders, or Jews themselves for the atrocities perpetuated upon the uprooted and defenseless Palestinians who have been killed in the thousands by the Israeli army? Over the decades, the 6 Million took on a religious overtone, never questioned, never debated, and accepted as a matter of faith. It has been slavishly repeated 6 million times by dutiful journalists, timid teachers and professors, tearful preachers and politicians and pious pundits; not to mention "intellectuals" beyond count. In any sane society, if it became known that millions of people believed to have been murdered were in fact alive following an awful tragedy; if it were discovered that a vast percentage of those assumed dead were indeed "survivors", such news would be greeted with cheers and relief. But the "6 Million" mantra, endlessly repeated, has been ruthlessly used as a club by the interests behind the high-stakes game played by the professional Holocaust promoters. They realize that the truth might set millions of citizen-taxpayers, here, in Germany and elsewhere, free to question the outrageous moral and financial impositions currently imposed upon them by Israel, the Holocaust's chief beneficiary. Even in the face of the implosions of the "6 million" figure, the courts and lawmakers of Germany, France, Canada etc. continue to hound, prosecute and jail those who publicly dispute what is now an admitted fraud. But facts are no defense against apostasy, particularly when the Inquisitors have so successfully cowed their flock. As the facts bring the actual numbers of Jewish deaths down, the Holocaust industry is not sitting still; indeed, they are rising to the occasion and meeting the challenge with unparalleled chutzpah. They continue to label those who seek factual accountings "haters" and "anti-Semites." Because of their promiscuous overuse, these smears no longer frighten many of those who would previously have been intimidated. So the promoters of the 6 million are reaching, straining to retain their stranglehold on the conscience of Western society by upping the ante. Now they are blaming an entire people. Such is the very definition of racism. In other words, Holocaust promoters accuse others of what they are guilty of themselves. As these absurdities mount, and as the facts of German treatment of Jews in World War II gradually become widely known, maybe we can free ourselves of the shackles placed on political and public discourse, our pocketbooks and our nation's good name by a foreign nation, Israel - which is itself the nation most guilty of genocide, racism and hatemongering, and profits from it handsomely to boot. . . " In hard coin, just precisely how? How much? I have said elsewhere in my ZGrams that it has become a chore for me to keep on hammering away at the muck, mire, gush and slush as served up by the Holocaust Promotion Lobby because it is, by now, a thoroughly boring topic. What needed to be said about it has now been said and documented. To me, the "Why" of Holocaustomania is much more interesting. The "Why", according to the Barnes Review (still in the August issue but in a different article) again a bit condensed, ". . . involves the greatest and most insidiously conjured sales and indoctrination campaign ever waged. . . This constant (and overwhelmingly successful) campaign to create an impression of unique suffering has had a driven purpose, just as the more-than-brazen "diktat" silencing any revisionist evidence or open discussion of the Holocaust has an ongoing purpose. The West's sheepish bowing to the professional Holocausters was central to the 1948 establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine: an unconscionable violation of an indigenous people's rights by a people constantly bleating about "human rights." The American taxpayer has forfeited vast sums as a tribute to this highly successful sales campaign. In 1991 former Undersecretary of State George Ball calculated the cost of this "special relationship" with "our closest ally, the one democracy in the Middle East." He examined US expenditures >from the time of Israel's establishment through 1991. Mr. Ball found that direct US taxpayer costs (including standard grants, loans, refinancing of Israeli debt to the US concessionary tariff arrangements etc.) amounted to 62,822,000.000.00. The former Undersecretary calculated that indirect costs, such as payments to Egypt to buttress Egyptian-Israeli peace and Arab oil boycotts triggered by pro-Israel US bias, entail an even greater amount - $107,356,000.000.00 The total, plus since 1991 foreign aid, loan guarantees and line-item appropriations, brings your bill for Israel's upkeep to around $200 billion. And to this staggering sum can be added the endless billions of marks bilked from Germany's taxpayers. There we have it, the most successful sales campaign ever. Complete with the ultimate chutzpah: You owe it all to us because we suffered Unique Persecution. And because all Western Christians, particularly German and American, must share guilt for this unprecedented horror. In company with this perpetual stream of Holocaust propaganda that sustains this taxpayer-fed Horn of Plenty, we see a dictatorial mandate against any expressions of doubt or calls for open discussion. No matter how extensive the current German proclivity for self-flagellation may be, it also remains unlikely that such massive generic attacks upon them as an entire people-as (the Goldhagen) book constitutes-will remain permanently unanswered. Meanwhile, the whole uproar is yet another reminder of the truth of what Armenian Radio said of Soviet historians-"You never know what the past may bring." Let that be your Thought of the Day! Ingrid From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 17:13:16 PDT 1996 Article: 58803 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.flame Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman) Subject: Re: What is so important about this? Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4ve5ms$llp@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:21:38 GMT Lines: 65 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:58803 alt.flame:23156 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4ve5ms$llp@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) writes: ! So important that it draws mailbombs just for repeating what was on ! the milnet whois server? Come on gryn.org, explain the importance of ! mailbombing for posting it. ! ! You have everyone's curiosity aroused now. ! ! Why was it removed from the milnet server? Did he quit the job? What ! is your interest in it? ! ! ===== ! Whois Ken McVay? ! ! === ! ! McVay, Kenneth (KM1343) kmcvay@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA ! 462 - 1150 North Terminal Avenue ! Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8 ! CA ! 1-604-382-0615 ! ! Record last updated on 18-Jul-96. ! ! The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet ! Information ! (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). ! Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information. ! ! ===== ! ! The following was deleted from nic.ddn.mil some time between 17 July ! 1996 and 19 August 1996. However, as of 19 August 1996 the email ! address still worked. It was originally captured on 17 July 1996. It ! disppeared just prior to a 256 copy mailbomb from gryn.org saying that ! it was false information. The owner of gryn.org, Alec Grynspan, ! openly brags about having been in the Mossad, i.e. Israeli ! intelligence. ! ! === ! ! McVay, Ken (KM214) ! 1B Systems Management Limited ! 5-1601 Bowen Road ! Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 ! CA ! ! (604) 758-2499 ! ! kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.CA ! ! ! Record last updated on 02-Apr-96. ! ! Please be advised that this whois server only contains DOD ! Information. ! All INTERNET Domain, IP Network Number, and ASN records are kept in ! the Internet Registry, RS.INTERNIC.NET. ! ! This settles it. Alec Gynspan is scum, scum like the Polish J$ws rightfully deported from Germany in November of 1938. From qut@netcom.com Wed Aug 21 19:22:59 PDT 1996 Article: 40341 of alt.politics.white-power Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.nstn.ca!ott.istar!istar.net!winternet.com!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Anti-Racists Start Racist Groups To Earn Money Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:37:36 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23177 alt.revisionism:58832 alt.politics.white-power:40341 soc.culture.europe:47241 [Followups-To: alt.flame] The father and son auto repair team of Al and Steve Rubin arranged profitable repair jobs by vandalizing walls and the school bus of a J$wish private school in Miami, Florida, and conspired to deflect the guilt to anti-semites. The conspiracy was exposed when two children were arrested by the police who claimed that they were paid fifty dollars by a Mr. Rubin middleman to paint the words Jew, Hitler and White Power on school property. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 08:32:21 PDT 1996 Article: 69385 of soc.culture.jewish Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish,alt.flame Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Jew needs help in Poland Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4vdtn1$jnv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:29:01 GMT Lines: 86 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:69385 soc.culture.polish:32504 alt.flame:23237 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In nick@n-landau.demon.co.uk (Nick Landau) writes: ! In article <4vdtn1$jnv@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ! torahlaw@aol.com (TorahLaw) wrote: ! ! >POLAND S COURTS BLOCK ELDERLY RABBI FROM PRESENTING HIS CASE FOR EIGHT ! >YEARS. ! > ! >For over eight long years the long-time Chief Rabbi of Poland, Rav. ! >Z.W.Moreino, Schlita s calls for justice at the hand s of Polish court ! >system ! >have yielded little more than a bold public statement from at least one ! >Polish government official to the effect that the system will continue to ! >procrastinate and drag the process until the advanced-in-age Rabbi is no ! >longer living G-d forbid! ! > ! >Whether one wishes to get involved in the Chief Rabbi s cause or not, the ! >fact that the new "democratic" government of Poland wishes to continue to ! >refuse justice to the only Rabbi Poland knew on a daily basis since 56 is ! >not only an affront to any Jew but also to the American taxpayers whose ! >money ! >is helping rebuild that government. ! > ! >Although money is needed, this notice is not about collection of funds. ! >Although each and every Jew and each and every American should be informed ! >of ! >the hideous reasons for this hampering of Justice, this notice is not ! >about ! >anyone having to learn the causes. Neither is this notice a call for ! >anyone ! >to make judgments one way or the other. ! > ! >It is, however, about every Jewish soul and each American of good ! >conscience ! >standing up in defense of one man whose right to bring his tormentors to a ! >court of law in a country where they live, especially when American taxes ! >are ! >helping to rebuild that court system, is being denied. I implore everyone ! >who ! >reads this notice to write a short letter of protest in English (or ! >Polish) ! >addressed as follows, demanding that the Chief Rabbi of Poland s, Schlita, ! >eight-year-old request for a court hearing be granted immediately. Eight ! >long ! >years of having official doors shut in his face is enough, even for a ! >"democratic" system where former communists, anti-Semites and former ! >secret ! >service collaborators reign. ! > ! >Letters should be addressed to: ! >1) 2) ! >County Court of Lodz and The Main Administrative Court of Polish Rep. ! >Civil Dept. II Constitutional Tribunal of the ! >Polish Rep ! >Dabrowski Place # 5 State Tribunal of the Polish Republic ! >Lodz, POLAND Spokesman for Civil Rights of the Polish ! >Rep ! > Warsaw, POLAND ! > ! >One original or photocopy should be mailed to: ! >Avraham Wyszynski - Post Office Box 4754 - Highland Pk, NJ 08904 USA ! > ! > ! > ! >Anyone, on the other hand, wishing to get involved also in the cases ! >themselves should address a separate letter addressed to: The Chief Rabbi ! >of ! >Poland, Rav Z.W.Moreino, Schlita and mail it to the above Post Office Box ! >address or e-mail it to TorahLaw@AOL.com ! > ! >In the merit of part-taking in this great mitzvah of "Tzedek, Tzedek ! >Tirdof" ! >the Al-mighty will return a thousand-fold the time and effort you ve put ! >into ! >this just cause. ! > ! >** COPY OF THIS NOTICE WAS ALSO SENT TO PRESIDENT CLINTON AND VICE ! >PRESIDENT GORE FOR THEIR INTERVENTION. ** ! ! I am sorry but having read the above I have no idea what this case is ! about. I suppose it's about how that scumbag Edgar Bronfman is waging war on the Polish people, stealing their homes for his hatred of the working class. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 08:46:23 PDT 1996 Article: 437114 of talk.politics.misc Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.activism,alt.politics.correct,talk.environment,alt.save.the.earth,alt.politics.radical-left,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.save.the.earth,alt.flame,alt.society.neutopia,alt.flack,alt.alien.visitors,alt.save.the.earth,alt.society.anarchy,alt.politics.economics Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!decwrl!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Meat in your Face Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:17:04 GMT Lines: 3 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca talk.politics.misc:437114 alt.activism:69544 alt.politics.correct:129014 talk.environment:39179 alt.save.the.earth:11905 alt.politics.radical-left:112552 alt.politics.usa.republican:259458 alt.flame:23157 alt.society.neutopia:18677 alt.alien.visitors:98032 alt.society.anarchy:34461 alt.politics.economics:66851 [Followups-To: alt.flame] Racism solves all problems. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 10:13:52 PDT 1996 Article: 35394 of alt.skinheads Newsgroups: aus.flame,alt.flame,alt.skinheads,alt.flame.james.ngygook,alt.james.nguygen.gook.faggot,alt.flame.nerds.jn Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.postech.ac.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!melba.bby.com.au!news.mira.net.au!Germany.EU.net!main.Germany.EU.net!EU.net!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Is there a reason to hate me? <8^/ Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4ves35$ltl@otis.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:08:05 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23246 alt.skinheads:35394 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4ves35$ltl@otis.netspace.net.au> nguyen@netspace.net.au (Jim Nguyen) writes: ! I just don't understand it. Here I am. One of the most extra-ordinary ! individuals ever to set foot on this Earth, an individual who is one ! in 10 billion and you treat me such unjustified contempt. You just don't ! get it do you? I am a gift to the world. ! ! I mean. I'm intelligent, witty, sexy, creative, charming, articulate, ! funny and down right divine. I'm completely harmless to everybody and ! I never hurt anyone. I'm also very friendly and sexually active. I just ! don't understand it. ! ! There is no reason to hate me other than out of pure JEALOUSY. ! ! - ! j.n. http://netspace.net.au/~nguyen/ Yes, Mr. Nguyen, you may be superior in all human qualities but we are superior in mass racial qualities, as a group we are the Earth, you are scum. We think of everybody, you think only of yourself because you are as genetically selfish/inferior as your parent race. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 11:43:11 PDT 1996 Article: 58923 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!laslo.netnet.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!news.PBI.net!decwrl!hookup!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Anti-Racist Media Protects It's Own Kind Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 17:03:31 GMT Lines: 10 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23250 alt.revisionism:58923 alt.politics.white-power:40390 [Followups-To: alt.flame] Two motorists made a wrong turn in Panama City, Florida, in early June. This act earned them an attack by an anti-racist gang of rocks, posts and gallon paint cans thrown by a dozen human scum. They managed to survive the attack fighting their way out of the genocidal assault. The local media lied, by failing to properly disclose the African race of the gangsters and the white race of the would be corpses, thenceforth encouraging more assaults on the white people, by the media's protection of the genocidal attacks by the present cultural leaders of the white race. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 15:42:21 PDT 1996 Article: 58946 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,alt.disasters.aviation,talk.politics.guns Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Ford Foundation Anti-Racist Actions Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 18:02:16 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23271 alt.revisionism:58946 alt.politics.white-power:40408 soc.culture.europe:47247 alt.disasters.aviation:1573 talk.politics.guns:302138 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In 1995, the Ford Foundation donated nine hundred thousand dollars to the American Civil Liberties Union, seven hundred thousand dollars to the United Nations, six hundred thousand dollars to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People Legal Defence and Education Fund, four hundred forty four thousand seven hundred dollars to the government of the People's Republic of China, all according to the notoriously Jewish anti-patriotic anti-racist pro-gun control New York Times, Inc. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 16:23:47 PDT 1996 Article: 69401 of soc.culture.jewish Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish,alt.flame Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!news.cstone.net!news5.digex.net!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.monroe.army.mil!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!rcp6.elan.af.mil!news.hughes.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Jew needs help in Poland Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4vdtn1$jnv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:25:34 GMT Lines: 81 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:69401 soc.culture.polish:32505 alt.flame:23248 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <4vdtn1$jnv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> torahlaw@aol.com (TorahLaw) writes: ! POLAND S COURTS BLOCK ELDERLY RABBI FROM PRESENTING HIS CASE FOR EIGHT ! YEARS. ! ! For over eight long years the long-time Chief Rabbi of Poland, Rav. ! Z.W.Moreino, Schlita s calls for justice at the hand s of Polish court ! system ! have yielded little more than a bold public statement from at least one ! Polish government official to the effect that the system will continue to ! procrastinate and drag the process until the advanced-in-age Rabbi is no ! longer living G-d forbid! ! ! Whether one wishes to get involved in the Chief Rabbi s cause or not, the ! fact that the new "democratic" government of Poland wishes to continue to ! refuse justice to the only Rabbi Poland knew on a daily basis since 56 is ! not only an affront to any Jew but also to the American taxpayers whose ! money ! is helping rebuild that government. ! ! Although money is needed, this notice is not about collection of funds. ! Although each and every Jew and each and every American should be informed ! of ! the hideous reasons for this hampering of Justice, this notice is not ! about ! anyone having to learn the causes. Neither is this notice a call for ! anyone ! to make judgments one way or the other. ! ! It is, however, about every Jewish soul and each American of good ! conscience ! standing up in defense of one man whose right to bring his tormentors to a ! court of law in a country where they live, especially when American taxes ! are ! helping to rebuild that court system, is being denied. I implore everyone ! who ! reads this notice to write a short letter of protest in English (or ! Polish) ! addressed as follows, demanding that the Chief Rabbi of Poland s, Schlita, ! eight-year-old request for a court hearing be granted immediately. Eight ! long ! years of having official doors shut in his face is enough, even for a ! "democratic" system where former communists, anti-Semites and former ! secret ! service collaborators reign. ! ! Letters should be addressed to: ! 1) 2) ! County Court of Lodz and The Main Administrative Court of Polish Rep. ! Civil Dept. II Constitutional Tribunal of the ! Polish Rep ! Dabrowski Place # 5 State Tribunal of the Polish Republic ! Lodz, POLAND Spokesman for Civil Rights of the Polish ! Rep ! Warsaw, POLAND ! ! One original or photocopy should be mailed to: ! Avraham Wyszynski - Post Office Box 4754 - Highland Pk, NJ 08904 USA ! ! ! ! Anyone, on the other hand, wishing to get involved also in the cases ! themselves should address a separate letter addressed to: The Chief Rabbi ! of ! Poland, Rav Z.W.Moreino, Schlita and mail it to the above Post Office Box ! address or e-mail it to TorahLaw@AOL.com ! ! In the merit of part-taking in this great mitzvah of "Tzedek, Tzedek ! Tirdof" ! the Al-mighty will return a thousand-fold the time and effort you ve put ! into ! this just cause. ! ! ** COPY OF THIS NOTICE WAS ALSO SENT TO PRESIDENT CLINTON AND VICE ! PRESIDENT GORE FOR THEIR INTERVENTION. ** Every J$w who's trying to take away Poland's property away is a criminal. Edgar Bronfman is the worst scumbag around. You either hate the Bronfmans or you hate Poland, it's that simple. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 16:23:48 PDT 1996 Article: 69432 of soc.culture.jewish Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.flame Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.teleport.com!news.serv.net!news.cstone.net!newshost.cyberramp.net!news4.agis.net!agis!ns2.mainstreet.net!sloth.swcp.com!news.ironhorse.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: White Trash was Re: On being Jewish Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4u3plc$82h@cyclops.dsphere.net> <4uag5v$4vl@scooby.beloit.edu> <4ug31b$f6f@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <4uqc99$anf@hermes.cair.du.edu> <4ustda$278@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <32178638.107D@none.none> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:32:16 GMT Lines: 40 Sender: qut@netcom.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca soc.culture.jewish:69432 alt.flame:23266 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <32178638.107D@none.none> Meyer writes: ! Moritz Rothschild wrote: ! > ! > I'm concerned about you. Noone is trash. Please see a counselor. ! > Please. You need help with your self image. Hilda ! > ! > In <4uqc99$anf@hermes.cair.du.edu> Go ITO writes: ! > > ! > >I know, I know, an old thread. ! > > ! > >I wonder if "white trash" is a term inclusive to Jews as well. I've ! > >always considered myself white trash, not by virtue of my race or ! > >religion (white Jew), but by virtue of the place I live in and the ! > >activities I do. Even though I work at a major university and my ! > >vocabulary does not consist of four-letter words, I do sing in bars, ! > ride ! > >horses, and listen to country music. My neighbors are the ! > stereotypical ! > >white trash, shooting up their mailboxes and their friends' trucks on ! > a ! > >Saturday night. ! > > ! > >Is the term inclusive, or do I have to fit all of it? It greatly ! > confuses ! > >my non-trash friends to learn that my neighborhood, and my friends ! > that ! > >live in it, have anti-Semitic leanings and in general act like boars. ! > >Who's heard of a Jewish cowgirl, after all? :) ! > > ! > >Jenn ! > > ! ! ! So, you dont think Nazis are trash? Nazis are the Jews greatest admirers and protectors, Adolf Hitler was Jewish you know. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 19:42:45 PDT 1996 Article: 58986 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.europe,talk.politics.guns Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.nstn.ca!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.icix.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!noos.hooked.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Ford Foundation Anti-Racist Actions Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4vgvrj$lfo@tofu.alt.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:06:38 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: qut@netcom15.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23311 alt.revisionism:58986 alt.politics.white-power:40423 soc.culture.europe:47250 talk.politics.guns:302204 In <4vgvrj$lfo@tofu.alt.net> rchason@smart.net (Lee Jackson Beauregard) writes: ! qut@netcom.com (Skip) wrote: ! ! >In 1995, the Ford Foundation donated nine hundred thousand dollars to the ! >American Civil Liberties Union ! ! You mean those people who sued to get rid of the Communications "Decency" ! (groan) Act? That's something they did which was good, however, their evil actions outweigh the positives. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 19:42:46 PDT 1996 Article: 58987 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.flame,alt.conspiracy,alt.revisionism,talk.politics.guns,alt.rush-limbaugh,alt.rodney.king,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.iraq,talk.politics.european,soc.culture.europe Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.mag-net.com!aurora.cs.athabascau.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: United Nations A Mafia Criminal Organization Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:56:40 GMT Lines: 1 Sender: qut@netcom15.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23312 alt.conspiracy:80359 alt.revisionism:58987 talk.politics.guns:302205 alt.rush-limbaugh:110628 soc.culture.israel:41677 soc.culture.jewish:69474 soc.culture.iraq:5551 soc.culture.europe:47251 This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader. From qut@netcom.com Thu Aug 22 22:14:49 PDT 1996 Article: 59013 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.flame Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.coast.net!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: 'We are German citizens! You can't do this to us!' Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4vgsle$ijb@tofu.alt.net> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 13:59:15 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: qut@netcom15.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:59013 alt.flame:23339 In <4vgsle$ijb@tofu.alt.net> rchason@smart.net (Lee Jackson Beauregard) writes: ! qut@netcom.com (Pissed Youth) wrote: ! ! >[Followups-To: alt.flame] ! ! Am I the only one who notices that this moron always cross-posts his (?) drivel, ! then sets followups to alt.flame? ! ! Whatsamatta, Piss On You? Are you afraid you might actually have to read the ! replies to your idiocies in your own newsgroups? Fuckhead. From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug 23 06:27:34 PDT 1996 Article: 59042 of alt.revisionism Newsgroups: mn.politics,alt.anything,alt.skinheads,alt.society.conservatism,alt.politics.usa.constitution,alt.politics.misc,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.usa,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.equality,alt.politics.clinton,soc.culture.jewish,alt.flame Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.orbis.net!winternet.com!visi.com!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Andrew Mathis Neo-Nazism Exposed Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <31F2BDE2.447C@ix.netcom.com> <4suib0$dfq@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <31F3D44B.6B72@scott.net> <31F51A9A.4C3B@vegas.infi.net> <4t4avt$29c@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> <31F7043B.638@scott.net> <4u0d1g$18m@tor-nn1-hb0.netcom.ca> <32093BE5.62CB@fdr.euu> <4ucved$d6d@molokini.conterra.com> <320A0C11.3C79@intersurf.com> <4ud75a$itu@molokini.conterra.com> <4ufvlg$1q2@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> <4uib2v$fr1@molokini.conterra.com> <4unk21$ouq@informer1.cis.McMaster.CA> <4usf64$2p1@news.ios.com> <4uu7ej$89s@news1.panix.com> <4uuv4r$fk0@news.ios.com> <32175460.8390343@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <4v99ic$18j@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com> <4vb7a5$r7d@news1.panix.com> <321a317a.39849515@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <4vglao$15o@news1.panix.com> <321c160d.27339303@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <4vhktv$6fl@news1.panix.com> <321c5ddf.488393@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 04:21:49 GMT Lines: 86 Sender: qut@netcom13.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.skinheads:35465 alt.society.conservatism:50294 alt.politics.usa.constitution:84000 alt.politics.nationalism.white:27648 alt.revisionism:59042 alt.politics.white-power:40451 soc.culture.usa:91411 alt.conspiracy:80451 talk.politics.misc:438011 alt.politics.clinton:277377 soc.culture.jewish:69504 alt.flame:23372 In <321c5ddf.488393@nntp.ix.netcom.com> ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) writes: ! fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: ! ! >ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote: ! > ! >>fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) wrote: ! > ! >>>ursus_m@ix.netcom.com (Ursus Major) wrote: ! >>> ! >>>>I purposely left off German Jews, because Randy Andy and others of his ! >>>>ilk, would have claimed they weren't Germans, but rather Jews (which ! >>>>is what the Nazis DID claim!) Amazing how rabid castigators of the ! >>>>goyim end up adopting the same position as "demonic" National ! >>>>Socialists. (Randy Andy do doubt dismisses the Hebron massacre as a ! >>>>mere incident, much as Goebbels described _Kristallnacht_ as a ! >>>>"spontaneous expression of outrage." When you get right down to it, ! >>>>Randy Andy and Goebbels are cut from the same piece of cloth. ! >>> ! >>>Face facts, anonymous coward; Jews are not Germans. ! > ! >>Here comes the Sewer Leak and spells it out: ! > ! >>JEWS ARE NOT GERMANS; ! > ! >>therefore, they are an ALIEN NATIONALITY ! >>AND NOT A RELIGION AT ALL! RANDY ANDY AGREES 100% WITH THE NAZIS! ! >> RANDY ! >> ANDY ! >> IS A ! >> NAZI!! ! > ! >yawn. ! > ! >Jews living in Germany in 1930's were: Jewish religion, Ashkenazic ! >ethnicity, German nationalisty. ! > ! >There is no Jewish nationality. ! > ! >>He stands proven and condemned by his own posting: "Jews aren't ! >>Germans!" Why didn't you add the rest of it, you Hiterite Sewer-Leak: ! >>"The Jews are Germany's Misfortune! Get out, alien! You're not a ! >>German. Why are you living in Germany, paracite? How dare you sit ! >>in judgement on REAL Germans?" ! > ! >>RANDY ANDY ENDORCES THE NUREMBERG LAWS! ! >>RANDY ANDY ADMITS, THE JEWS ARE NOT GERMANS! ! > ! >> RANDY ! >> ANDY ! >> IS A NAZI! ! > ! >>Trying to make Jews look odious and vile, with his moronic postings: ! >>Mozart's a drunk! MOZART: THE VOICE OF GOD! Ol' fecal-fingers has been ! >>exposed for what he is, an agent-provocatuer, attempting to defile the ! > ! >>Jews by making them appear irrational, venom-spewing vermin. ! > ! >> You've been exposed now, so you can take your Brown Shirt out of ! >>the closet. O, I forgot, cockroaches don't wear shirts! ! > ! >>=================== ! >>"You don't talk with a Randy Andy; you FLUSH it!" ! >> -- Hyman Mandelbaum: Torah scribe & pundit ! > ! > ! >From now on, I shall be ignoring you, since you're such a vile coward ! >as to deny the Holocaust and label Jews as Nazis, and also not to ! >supply your real name. ! > ! >Write me when you grow some gonads, youngster. ! > ! >================================================================= ! > ! >What's new with Frente?--http://www.nj.com/maxwells/july96/frente.html ! > ! >The Homepage that made Milwaukee famous--http://pages.nyu.edu/~aem0608 ! > ! >"Peyno derech Hashem" ! >--Yeshayahu 40:3 ! > ! "Pasatrmi on rye, hold the mustard!" ! --Greenblatt's Order # 40.3 Andrew Mathis also claimed that Adolf Hitler was not a racist. Since Mr. Mathis is making excuses for nazis, that makes Mr. Mathis a nazi. From qut@netcom.com Fri Aug 23 07:32:47 PDT 1996 Article: 40443 of alt.politics.white-power Newsgroups: aus.flame,alt.flame,alt.politics.white-power,alt.flame.james.ngygook,alt.flame.nerds.jn,alt.james.nguygen.gook.faggot,alt.skinheads Path: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca!news.island.net!news.bctel.net!kryten.awinc.com!laslo.netnet.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!ns2.mainstreet.net!news.jersey.net!news.win.bright.net!news.bright.net!chi-news.cic.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp04.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!netcom.com!qut From: qut@netcom.com (Skip) Subject: Re: Why We Must Hate Asians Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.flame Organization: OBC X-No-Archive: yes References: <4vao73$mid@basement.replay.com> <2700.6808T1150T1403@netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:53:10 GMT Lines: 65 Sender: qut@netcom15.netcom.com Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.flame:23361 alt.politics.white-power:40443 alt.skinheads:35459 [Followups-To: alt.flame] In <2700.6808T1150T1403@netspace.net.au> nguyen@netspace.net.au (James Nguyen) writes: ! On 20-Aug-96 03:01:07, Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM) wrote: