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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: The Pissed McGoyVay.. Round 3
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It's pretty clear that Ken Mcvay is a liar from this and other
"debates."  I hope Joe Lockhart IS an anti-semite, and he
corrects misstatements made from the usenet sewer of
anti-racism.


From qut@netcom.com Sat May  4 10:30:26 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Starve Hollywood and save the UK
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In  moo@midtown.net (Bryan Cowan) writes:

!> the worthless output from Hollywood?
!> Boycott our Hollywood filth as much as you can!
!> If Hollywood's capital were to be completely drained,
!> the west would be better off!  
!
!Whatever happened to *the Jews run Hollywood*?

You Antisemitic NAZI


From qut@netcom.com Sat May  4 12:06:26 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Crazy Jeannie (was: Psycho Les)
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In <4m4lf2$719@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

!Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (fruitcake@nut.com) writes:
!> And, now, a musical number... (This is sung to the tune of the theme song
!> of Al Bundy's favorite tv show _Psycho Dad_. Al Bundy is a character in
!> the tv sitcom _Married with Children_.)
!> 
!> Psycho Les
!
!(snip - song deleted to save space, although to give Crazy her due, it WAS
!pretty funny)
!
!I'm touched, Crazy, I really am, that you would devote so much time to me.
! Gives me a lump in my eyes and tears in my throat.

She wants you, Les.  If you want a throw with a shriveled up
hippie, you've got her number.

No doubt she's fantasizing about those stern faced SS studs
she's seen in the movies, like Love Camp 7.


From qut@netcom.com Sat May  4 12:18:29 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: A Return to Classicism
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In <31867F7B.7A67@spectra.net> Rad  writes:

!Many pro-white people are hung up on the idea of a pure
!white nation. Such a nation is not only unlikely but
!undesirable. Why should whites, the most creative race
!on earth, do manual labor?

Because it's good for us!  I like Hitlers idea in
Triumph Of The Will that no one can become a party
member without having experienced manual labor.

!I propose a return to a classical Aryan civilization as
!in the days of the Greeks. There should be three classes
!of people: citizens, servants (slaves, if you will) and
!resident aliens. European whites would be the citizens,
!blacks and Hispanics the slaves, Jews and Asians the

An even better idea, is to use "slavery" ONLY as a
punishment for individual aryans, never as an
economic fixture.  Labor makes us stronger, and so
should our system of crime and punishment.
Remember the warning:
"Those who work the soil, will own the soil."
That's what we are experiencing right now!

!resident aliens. I would not force anyone to stay
!against his will, but nonwhites do seem to love to hang
!around white people so I doubt few would leave
!voluntarily. Troublemakers of all classes would be
!exiled to the provinces (I believe in constant conquest

White troublemakers should labor as above.

!exiled to the provinces (I believe in constant conquest
!and there should always be a white frontier).

It's an open deck.  Once the first country goes white,
expect a great increase of foreign hostility and
repression of their people, and agitation of "our"
coloreds.  Suffice it to say, never should we feel
like we have to DEPEND in any way, on trade or the
use of coloreds.

!-- 
!Rad


From qut@netcom.com Sat May  4 12:18:31 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: The Cross transcends race & culture
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In <4m3kll$7qb$2@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> alt.fan.don-imus <102404.3053@CompuServe.COM> writes:

!The cross of Christ, the blood stained one that was the key to 
!the freedom of mankind from the bondage of sin and death, 
!transcends racial and cultural barriers. In Christ's own words He 
!said that God's desire was that no man would be lost, but that 
!all would come to repentance.
!
!Think this out before you cast all races but our White race into 
!the pits of hell, or dehuminize those that are different from 
!you. Know that the God that breathed life into you breathed life 
!into them as well.

PRAISE THE LORD!
PRAISE THE WHITE PEOPLE!
LET US GET ON OUR KNEES AND BOW DOWN TO THE WHITE RACE!
SOMETHING EVERONE OF ALL COLORS CAN DO!


From qut@netcom.com Sat May  4 12:22:02 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: A Return to Classicism
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In <31867F7B.7A67@spectra.net> Rad  writes:

!Many pro-white people are hung up on the idea of a pure
!white nation. Such a nation is not only unlikely but
!undesirable. Why should whites, the most creative race
!on earth, do manual labor?

Because it's good for us!  I like Hitlers idea in
Triumph Of The Will that no one can become a party
member without having experienced manual labor.

!I propose a return to a classical Aryan civilization as
!in the days of the Greeks. There should be three classes
!of people: citizens, servants (slaves, if you will) and
!resident aliens. European whites would be the citizens,
!blacks and Hispanics the slaves, Jews and Asians the

An even better idea, is to use "slavery" ONLY as a
punishment for individual aryans, never as an
economic fixture.  Labor makes us stronger, and so
should our system of crime and punishment.
Remember the warning:
"Those who work the soil, will own the soil."
That's what we are experiencing right now!

!resident aliens. I would not force anyone to stay
!against his will, but nonwhites do seem to love to hang
!around white people so I doubt few would leave
!voluntarily. Troublemakers of all classes would be
!exiled to the provinces (I believe in constant conquest

White troublemakers should labor as above.

!exiled to the provinces (I believe in constant conquest
!and there should always be a white frontier).

It's an open deck.  Once the first country goes white,
expect a great increase of foreign hostility and
repression of their people, and agitation of "our"
coloreds.  Suffice it to say, never should we feel
like we have to DEPEND in any way, on trade or the
use of coloreds.

!-- 
!Rad


From qut@netcom.com Sat May  4 23:59:34 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
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In  joelr@winternet.com (Joel Rosenberg) writes:

!... then have a cup of coffee, put on your shoes, and go to work.  

Yes, I'm-a-Jew-and-my-mother-is-a-nazi-cuz-she-makes-me-clean-up-my-room Joel.

!Joel Rosenberg   |  joelr@winternet.com  |  http://www.winternet.com/~joelr
!---------------------------------------------------------------------------
!We will have to repent in this generation not merely for
!the hateful words and actions of the Jews but for the 
!appalling silence of the good people.
!                        -- Martin Luther King, Jr.


From qut@netcom.com Sun May  5 19:05:32 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Hatred of Jews
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In <831293370snz@augur.demon.co.uk> Caesar  writes:

!> Jews cannot change;
!
!Why are you generalizing about a group of 20 million people?

Mass coincidence.


From qut@netcom.com Sun May  5 19:09:14 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: TO: EVIL BEAVIS
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In <4mi9g5$8e2@utopia.hacktic.nl> anon-remailer@utopia.hacktic.nl (Anonymous) writes:

!Hey Evil Beavis,
!      Why would you want to marry outside of your
!own (i.e. the human) race? Do you really want to have kids
!that look like the gang on "Fat Albert" ?
!       So, maybe you just want to bang her---in the best
!jungle fever tradition. Surely you could find a white woman
!that can rip the wallpaper off the walls too? 

I've detected a judiasm in your postings, Anonymous.
You are obviously one of those j*ws who have a
profligate hatred of blacks.  I know types like
that, and they're jerks, not besides, they are
rich capitali$ts.




__
Have you ever convinced another that he was stupid?


From qut@netcom.com Sun May  5 19:09:16 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: The Harder You Work, the Less You Will Earn
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In <4mglof$7lu@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu (Jeremy A. Litt) writes:

!Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
!: In <31895ECF.4F0B@scott.net> evil Beavis  writes:
!: 
!: !Dave Harman wrote:
!: !> 
!: !> In <4m7gtb$b0f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jm022089@aol.com (JM022089) writes:
!: !> 
!: !> !The Harder You Work, the Less You Will Earn
!: !> !
!: !> !This is just one of the many bugs in the defective system
!: !> !known as equal employment opportunity.
!: !> !
!: !> !If anyone would like a free email copy of the multipart
!: !> !treatise on the downward wage equalizing effects of
!: !> !equal employment opportunity, send a brief request with
!: !> !a statement attesting to the fact that you are over the age
!: !> !of 18 years to:  jm022089@aol.com
!: !> 
!: !> Oh, quit teasing and post it.  We're all adults here.
!: !> 
!: !> The economy's fucked all right, AA being a part of it
!: !> along with "free" trade.
!: !> 
!: !> __
!: !> Have you ever made love to person you disliked?
!: !
!: !
!: !What the hell is wrong with free trade? Isolationism and protectionism are 
!: !jokes!
!: 
!: Protectionism is an excellent tool for the economy.
!: Why, many countries have uplifted their economies by
!: forbidding foreign investment whether in or out.
!: 
!
!(a)Forbidding foreign investment does not equal "protectionism" -- it's
!one protectionist measure.  Go ahead -- find a country with a closed
!economy which has done well as a result.
!
!(and oh please oh please oh please say Japan, b/c I've got enough facts on
!that to keep your head spinning for a week).

I would have, but I'll use South Korea as an example that went from
>from  extreme poverty to a lot better in one generation of bans
on forign investment.

! : Unfettered capital has ravaged
!societies everywhere, : which has made free trade quite unpopular among
!: the people.
!: 
!Such as?  Examples, please?

In every nation but Israel.

!: And the "free trade" treaties like GATT, NAFTA, and
!: EU, are really FORCED trade treaties as they make
!: it illegal for nations to manage their trade.
!
!So someone FORCED the countries to sign it?  Who was that?

Capitali$ts forced the treaties through congress.
Note how the treaties are labelled "agreements,"
simply to evade the US constitutional article
that requires two-third votes for treaties and
declarations of war.

!Second, you're more ignorant than a piece of dog crap.  GATT allows
!countries certain leeway, although the WTO is the primary
!dispute-resolution mechanism.

The treaties forbid nations from self managing trade.

!"Manage their trade"?  Hmmmm....sounding a whole lot like a Marxist
!there.....  Are you one?  Just curious.

Marx didn't invent anti-capitalism, but copied it
>from  other but less vain economists.

!: Isolationism is a great thing for creating culture,
!: so that there is more than the monocultural crap
!: like television.
!
!Let me get this straight:  you think that keeping out foerign products
!(which include TV, movies, etc.) would do something to rectify our
!"monocultural crap," like TV?  How do you figure/

"Our" Hollywood is as foreign as San Francisco's "smart set,"
It's all one culture.  Stamping out Hollywood's capital
would protect and create more cultures, rather than the
people revolving around the tube as a unifier.




__
Have you ever stamped out a religion?


From qut@netcom.com Sun May  5 23:08:54 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Hairy Cats and J. Littan Lose it to Giwer!
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In <4mdbka$ma5@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu (Jeremy A. Litt) writes:

!No, I can see that your reading has deteriorated to the point where you 
!can't even manage to say one thing that's actually responding to what's 
!been said.
!
!If you're going to troll, Mr. Giwer, you need to be a little less 
!blatant.  Since I said nothing about religion Jews or birth Jews, and Mr. 
!Katz said nothing about belief in G-d proving intellectual superiority, 
!what you are doing is having a conversation with yourself, answering 
!questions that no one has asked.

Actually, Mr. Giwer has shown himself to be an intellectual
giant compared to school boy hecklers like yourself.

Messrs Giwer and Moran are quite popular historians on
alt.revisionism, spending after hours spare time to rebut
all the silly claims about the Holocaust.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: JEWISH RECONSTRUCTIONIST FEDERATION
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 JEWISH RECONSTRUCTIONIST FEDERATION

 Who is a Reconstructionist Jew?

A Reconstructionist Jew has strong commitments both to tradition and to the
search for contemporary meaning. Reconstructionists encourage all Jews to
enhance their own lives by reclaiming our shared heritage and becoming active
participants in the building of the Jewish future.

THE EVOLVING RELIGIOUS CIVILIZATION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE

Reconstructionists define Judaism as the evolving religious civilization of
the Jewish people. By "evolving" we mean that Judaism has changed over the
centuries of its existence. The faith of the ancient Israelites in the days
of Solomon's Temple was not the same as that of the early rabbis. And neither
of those faiths was the same as that of our more recent European ancestors.
Each generation of Jews has subtly reshaped the faith and traditions of the
Jewish people.

Reconstructionist Jews seek to nurture this evolution. We see it as the
lifeblood of Judaism, the power that allows Judaism to continue as a dynamic
tradition in every age.

By "religious" we mean that Judaism is the means by which we conduct our
search for ultimate meaning in life. God is the source of meaning. We
struggle, to be sure, with doubts and uncertainties. Reconstructionists
affirm that struggle; we believe it is the duty of all Jews to question and
to study in order to find unique paths to the divine.

We believe in a God who inhabits this world and especially the human heart.
God is the source of our generosity, sensitivity and concern for the world
around us. God is also the power within us that urges us toward
self-fulfillment and ethical behavior. We find God when we look for meaning
in the world, when we are motivated toward study and when we work to realize
the goals of morality and social justice.

By "civilization" we mean that Judaism is more than a religion. The Jewish
people share historical memory and historical destiny. Judaism includes a
commitment to our ancient homeland and language. We share a love for Jewish
culture, Jewish morality and Jewish philosophy. We are heirs to a rich legacy
of literary and artistic achievement, of laughter and tears, a legacy which
continues to grow in our day.

By "the Jewish people" we mean that all Jews, whether by birth or by choice,
are members of the extended Jewish family. We recognize a diversity of Jewish
religious ideology and practice and seek to join with other Jews in accepting
that diversity while working toward a share vision of Jewish peoplehood.

The Jewish Reconstructionist Federation philosophy affirms the uniqueness of
the Jewish people and its heritage among the peoples of the world. However,
our affirmation of Judaism's uniqueness implies no sense of superiority over
others. Reconstructionists believe that all peoples are called to the service
of righteousness, and we welcome dialogue with people of good will from all
traditions.

THE PAST HAS A VOTE, NOT A VETO

The starting point of Reconstructionism is our quest to understand the
historical and spiritual experience of the Jewish people.

We believe "the past has a vote." Therefore we struggle to hear the voices of
our ancestors and listen to their claim on us. What did this custom or that
idea mean to them? How did they see the presence of God in it? How can we
retain or regain its importance in our own lives?

We believe "the past does not have a veto." Therefore we struggle to hear our
own voices as distinct from theirs. What might this custom or that idea mean
to us today? what might we borrow from this custom to create a new tradition
that is more significant for us today.

When a particular Jewish value or custom is found wanting, it is our
obligation as Jews to find a means to reconstruct it - to find new meanings
in old forms or to develop more meaningful, innovative practices.

A vital, contemporary Judaism must respond fully to the changes in modern
Jewish history: the Holocaust, renewed Jewish statehood, new and different
family structures, the evolving relationships of mean and women, as well as
the role of religion in a universe threatened by both ecological and nuclear
disaster. Only a combination of searching, questioning, and self
understanding within the Jewish tradition will create a Judaism that speaks
convincingly to the contemporary Jew.

WHAT MAKES A RECONSTRUCTIONIST JEWISH COMMUNITY UNIQUE?

Orthodox Judaism has about it a seriousness and level of devotion that are
truly admirable. We seek to retain that seriousness. Unlike Orthodoxy,
Reconstructionism does not view Judaism as a total and immutable revelation
>from  God to Moses at Sinai that is essentially unchanged through all
generations. We see Judaism as the ever-evolving product of history, an
ongoing attempt to forge a society based on holy values.

Conservative Judaism has made significant contributions to Jewish life in the
realms of education and scholarship. While we support this effort,
Reconstructionism diverges from Conservative Judaism in terms of priorities.
We believe that the basic tenents of Judaism need to be re-examined and
restated for our age. We see this as a more pressing priority than the
particulars of Jewish law. Jews need to know why they should be Jewish at all
before they worry about how to change details of observance. 

Concerning observance, we differ specifically on the issue of how far one may
go in amending Jewish law and who has the right to be involved in that
process. We believe that rabbis and scholars should work together with
committed lay members of the Jewish community formulating guides to Jewish
practice for our time. These guides should reflect a desire to protect and
preserve tradition as well as an openness to creativity and evolution as we
face a new age in Jewish society.

Reform Judaism emphasizes the centrality of the prophetic tradition and
insists that standards of ethical monotheism be applied universally. We
Reconstructionists affirm this emphasis and share in its commitment.
Reconstructionism differs from Reform Judaism, however, concerning how much
of the tradition needs to be preserved. Reconstructionists encourage Jews to
give honest consideration to a wider range of traditional practice.

We believe that Judaism is more than ethical monotheism. Judaism is more than
ethical monotheism. Judaism is the historic, unique and most satisfying way
by which the Jewish people can find ongoing meaning in the great moments in
our history and the special moments in our individual lives. Through Judaism,
we dedicate ourselves to universal spiritual values that transcend any one
individual, society or nation.

ISRAEL: THE CRADLE OF JEWISH CIVILIZATION IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE DIASPORA

Recognizing Judaism as the civilization of the Jewish people.
Reconstructionists affirm the attachment of our people to the Land of Israel
- - the site of our origins and the focus of our hope through the millennia.
>From its inception, Reconstructionism has been a Zionist movement. We are
firmly committed to the building of the State of Israel and the establishment
of a just and humane Jewish society there.

We consider the Jewish national rebirth centered in Israel to be the greater
accomplishment of the Jewish people in our century and encourage all Jews to
develop their ties with the State of Israel. We emphasize the importance of
visiting Israel, and we commend those Jews who commit their lives, through
aliyah, to the rebuilding of our people's homeland.

While our support for Israel is unconditional, a variety of opinion exists
within the Jewish Reconstructionist Federation movement with regard to
specific policies of the Israeli government. We are united in supporting
efforts by the World Union for Progressive Judaism (with which we are
affiliated) and others who work to strengthen religious freedom in Israel and
to make Israel a religious home for all Jews.

At the same time, we believe that Diaspora communities, particularly those as
strong as the ones in North America, are important centers of Jewish learning
and cultural growth. Israel along serves as a laboratory for the creation of
a fully Jewish society. But where Jews thrive as citizens in multi-ethnic
societies, Jewish ideals can e integrated with the highest values of
contemporary civilization in unique and important ways.

We look forward, as Israel matures as a society and achieves peace and
stability, to a more properly balanced relationship between Israel and the
Diaspora. We believe that through mutual respect and cultural exchange, these
two forms of Jewish living can enrich one another.

LIVING IN TWO CIVILIZATIONS: A COMMITMENT TO SOCIAL JUSTICE AND PERSONAL
ETHICS

Jews who now find themselves in democratic societies live primarily in a
secular civilization - governed by non-Jewish legislatures and courts,
speaking non-Jewish languages, singing popular music, working in secular
environments with non-Jews, learning in non-Jewish schools, and structuring
their lives according to accepted Western values.

Reconstructionists call upon Jews to embrace this open, democratic society -
not only because its structural pluralism does not require the abandonment of
Judaism, but also because American ideal at their best coincide with Jewish
ideals as they ought to be developed and reconstructed. We have much to gain
by incorporating contemporary mores into the Jewish civilization - with
regard to the role of women, respect for individual liberties, and acceptance
of cultural pluralism.

Just as we seek to democratize the Jewish community, so also do we recognize
the need to bring the insights of Jewish tradition to bear upon the issues
that secular society confronts. Religious values coupled with ethical action
have always influenced the evolution of North American society. The voice of
Jewish tradition has been prominent among those seeking social reform. In
recent years, the role of religion in society has been enhanced by the
leading role that clergy and religiously committed individuals have taken in
movements for racial justice, the elimination of poverty, and the pursuit of
peace. Reconstructionists support these efforts and participate actively in
using religious tradition as a positive force for social change. We believe
that Jews today are heirs to the prophets as well as to many generations of
rabbis. We applaud the application of prophetic values of justice and
compassion to all segments of our society. At the same time, we do not
maintain that authentic Jews must adopt one political view to the exclusion
of all others. Rather, we suggest that both the Jewish community and secular
society have much to gain when committed Jews study their tradition in order
to apply its insights to contemporary issues.


Within the realm of social action, the Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
movement works actively in several areas including international conflict
resolution, hunger and civil rights. It has committed itself in particular to
issues concerned with the environment. As we Jews concern ourselves with the
spiritual and cultural legacy that we leave to future generations, we must
also commit ourselves fully to such legacies as clean air, pure water and
unpolluted soil. The Jewish Reconstructionist Federation movement through
Shomrei Adamah, Guardians of the Earth, works closely with other groups
concerned with the environmental future. 

Personal as well as social ethics are an integral feature of
Reconstructionist Judaism. We affirm the centrality of ethical behavior in
our lives and insist that traditional religious behavior, when not
accompanied by the highest ethical standards, becomes a desecration of
Judaism. We challenge our own communities to reach for the highest
application of ethical standards.

BELONGING TO A DEMOCRATIC JEWISH COMMUNITY IN A POST-HALAKHIC AGE

If halakhah is defined as the Jewish process of celebrating, creating and
transmitting tradition, Reconstructionist Jewish communities would certainly
fit within the framework of halakhah. But if halakhah has the meaning of a
rigid body of law, changeable only under very rarefied circumstances, most
Jewish people, including Reconstructionists, no longer accept its binding
authority.

While Reconstructionists are lovers of tradition and support community
celebration of the Jewish sacred year and life-cycle events, we also believe
that the face of the Jewish community is changing and that individuals have
the right to adapt Jewish tradition to new circumstances.

Jewish Reconstructionist Federation communities challenge Jews to participate
fully in our shared Jewish civilization. From building a sukkah to
appreciating Jewish music, from caring for the Jewish young and old to
leading Torah study - community members should experience Jewish civilization
in our day as fully as they experience secular civilization. Judaism will
continue to be a dynamic civilization only if we choose to participate,
create and transmit vitality to future generations.

Jewish Reconstructionist Federation rabbis work in partnership with committed
lay people to formulate guidelines that serve as Jewish touchstones for out
times. These guidelines are presented and democratically considered in Jewish
Reconstructionist Federation communities as standards for enhancing the
Jewish life of the individual and the community rather than as binding laws.

THE JEWISH RECONSTRUCTIONIST FEDERATION'S VISION OF THE JEWISH FUTURE

We Reconstructionists envision a maximalist liberal Judaism. This means
Jewish life that is engaged in study, worship and action and yet is
completely supportive of a Jew's full participation in secular life. 

We hope for a Judaism that serves as a rich source of spiritual
self-expression and moral challenge in the way we conduct our lives. We dream
of a Jewish people that will overcome divisions and realize its commitment to
the single goal of transforming the world into one where all people are
respected as bearers of the divine image.

We picture an Israel at peace and a Jewish people, in both Israel and the
Diaspora, that will have the dedication, knowledge, and prosperity to develop
an ever richer tradition to hand down to future generations.

Like all Jews, Reconstructionists are firm believers in the future. It is our
dedication to the future, characterized by commitment and creativity, by the
faithful heart joined to the open mind, that makes us proud of the
Reconstructionist contribution to the ever-evolving heritage of the Jewish
people.


From qut@netcom.com Mon May  6 13:18:59 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Plan to vote YES on CFV: unmoderate misc.handicap!
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Finally a Proposal to UNMODERATE a newsgroup! I've always
found the uncensored groups more informative than the
moderated groups INSPITE of rampant misposts.

I'm definately voting YES for this!





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Have you ever neglected an opportunity to save a sinner?


From qut@netcom.com Thu May  9 21:15:04 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Hairy Cats and J. Littan Lose it to Giwer!
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In <4mldgb$mi8@moe.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

!Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
!
!: Messrs Giwer and Moran are quite popular historians on
!: alt.revisionism, spending after hours spare time to rebut
!: all the silly claims about the Holocaust.
!
!Are you the same Dave who thinks the Protocols of the Elders of
!Zion are coming true, and that the Talmud is actually an evil
!plan to destroy the Goyim? 

No.  The Protocols have already come true, and the Talmud
is just a set of rules to guide Jewish personal behavior.
And have you read either?





From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 06:52:49 PDT 1996
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In <4mno3q$3vs@news.ios.com> Ron  writes:

!qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman) wrote:
!>In <3189216C.3D22@yz.org> X  writes:
!>
!>!> >>I think all JEWS masturbate ..
!>!> >>Christ was a Jew
!>!> >>Enough Said.
!>!> >I think all CHRISTIANS masturbate ..
!>!> >Christ was a christian
!>!> >Enough Said.
!>!
!>!Christ was a Rabbi!
!>
!>No he wasn't!
!>Christ was human, so
!>when he couldn't score 
!>with christians,
!>He jerked.
!>Enough Said.
!
!
! If you would like to know what makes Dave and others of his kind post 
!this kind of anti Christian bigotry log onto http://www.pixi.com/~bewise
!Here you can read information you are not supposed to know about !

Ron, all true christians masturbate, or at least try to.
Remember, it's the Devil who invented sexual repression.
Jesus fought for your right to enjoy your body.
Celebrate your hard won right by siring all white 
children, to raise more of God's little ones.











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From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 06:52:50 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: McVay - Be honest...
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In <1996May8.054302.19169@wpg.ramp.net> Joe Lockhart  writes:

!I realize you have stated to me that you will not speculate as to why
!CISI considers Ernst Zundel a 'threat' to national security, but I would
!like for you to tell the world why a man like Ernst Zundel deserves
!to be kicked out of a country and sent to a German prison because
!he may not believe in the victors' version of the Second World War?
!
!You stated:
!
!"Ernst Zundel is, Canadians hope, about to receive a special
!gift from the Canadian government: An absolutely free, one-way
!trip to Germany. Isn't that wonderful? Ingrid can send us
!PrisonGrams!"
!
!Who are these Canadians? (other than the CJC, Bnai Brith etc)
!Did you ask whom? Who said they want Ernst Zundel kicked out of Canada?
!
!What crime has Mr.Zundel committed worthy of such treatment?
!
!Now you told me in the past that you believed in free speech.
!You and I both know as one human to another, that nobody deserves
!to be kicked out of a country for being unpopular, or not P.C.
!Perhaps you don't want to 'speculate' because then McVay you may just
!have to own up to the fact that something very rotten is happening to a man
!that has never harmed a fly. This would endanger your secure 'retirement.'
!
!Does a man deserve to go to prison because he doesn't believe in the
!Holocaust (tm)?
!
!The European Christian Defence League
!P.O. Box 345 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
!R3C 2H6 (204) 775-0878

The biggest lie ever told by Ken Mcvay is
that he is against censorship.






From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 06:52:51 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: To my anonymous "NAZI" correspondent in Washington
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In <4mlkk5$3vj@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) writes:

!Hello. I assume you read these groups. I don't mind your mail, but some
!people at work find it disturbing.  Please send it to my home address
!instead. 
!
!I would be interested in talking to you. Page me from a pay phone,
!identifying yourself with the code "982" after your phone number, and
!I'll call you back within 2 minutes if I can.
!
!To get my pager number, search Switchboard for Rich Graves in San
!Francisco, CA.
!
!Thank you. Have a nice day.
!
!-rich

Better yet, ignore rich altogether.
It's not worth it.  He's not in power.










From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 06:52:52 PDT 1996
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In <1996May8.054302.19169@wpg.ramp.net> Joe Lockhart  writes:

!I realize you have stated to me that you will not speculate as to why
!CISI considers Ernst Zundel a 'threat' to national security, but I would
!like for you to tell the world why a man like Ernst Zundel deserves
!to be kicked out of a country and sent to a German prison because
!he may not believe in the victors' version of the Second World War?
!
!You stated:
!
!"Ernst Zundel is, Canadians hope, about to receive a special
!gift from the Canadian government: An absolutely free, one-way
!trip to Germany. Isn't that wonderful? Ingrid can send us
!PrisonGrams!"
!
!Who are these Canadians? (other than the CJC, Bnai Brith etc)
!Did you ask whom? Who said they want Ernst Zundel kicked out of Canada?
!
!What crime has Mr.Zundel committed worthy of such treatment?
!
!Now you told me in the past that you believed in free speech.
!You and I both know as one human to another, that nobody deserves
!to be kicked out of a country for being unpopular, or not P.C.
!Perhaps you don't want to 'speculate' because then McVay you may just
!have to own up to the fact that something very rotten is happening to a man
!that has never harmed a fly. This would endanger your secure 'retirement.'
!
!Does a man deserve to go to prison because he doesn't believe in the
!Holocaust (tm)?
!
!The European Christian Defence League
!P.O. Box 345 Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
!R3C 2H6 (204) 775-0878

"I do not believe in censoring revisionists."  
                               --Ken Mcvay
-- 
	God grant me the serenity
	to accept the things I cannot change
	the courage to change the things I can
	and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 07:19:38 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: That little worm posting from Holland!
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In <318E7444.51FE@scott.net> evil Beavis  writes:

!Have you noticed the latest addition to the filth and lies
!espoused by racist scum around here? I am talking about
!"Anonymous" - a pathetic little coward who has an extreme
!fear of black people which is also quite irrational since
!he knows no black people nor live among any black people!

My hatred of africans comes from their position in the
power structure.  Personally I've got nothing against
them, they're just racially inferior.

!He is also completely misinformed about race relations in
!America but still feels a need to post his idiocy here.
!His incoherent sentences any excessive use of the word
!"nigger" further goes to show that we are dealing with a
!true mental midget.  Most likely did he defy his mom and
!come home from the store with copies of "Boyz 'n the Hood"
!and "New Jack City" on which he then based his "knowledge"
!of black people as well as his fear and envy of them! As a

The putz is probably one of those j*ws who hate black people.
My best j*wish friend was a fan of George Lincoln Rockwell.
In spite of that, he graduated to the financial field,
following the j*wish inheritance to exploit and hate the
poor.

!child he quite possibly jacked off to episodes of Roots
!showing slaveowners beating, torturing, and raping their
!slaves. With a little encouragement this little bestial

A popular j*wish activity at the time.

!slaves. With a little encouragement this little bestial
!piece of human debris may turn into a nice little Jeffrey
!Dahmer or maybe even another J.W. Gacy! What a waste he is...

The Church of Scientology has just shut down that remailer.
Co$ is virulently anti-racist and may be behind the flooding
of these newsgroups with bogus racist and anti-racist posts.
Check out http://www.theta.com/ for hate artistry.

At least that overflowing turd won't be around any longer.



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-- 
	God grant me the serenity
	to accept the things I cannot change
	the courage to change the things I can
	and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 07:25:33 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: jews?
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In <4mg42q$e4t@utopia.hacktic.nl> anon-remailer@utopia.hacktic.nl (Anonymous) writes:

!Why does everybody give Jews such a hard time?
!
!Heck, theres only about 15 million of them, thats not a whole lot
!
!out of five billion people on planet earth. But then i forget, all you white 
!
!power losers have to have someone to blame all your fuckups on.
!
!if you stupid shit heads, would spend half as much time working a 
!
!regular job, as you do talking about the "Jew Conspiracy" then
!
!you people would be rich. And whats up with these stupid names? 
!
!"Jew S.A.", god thats stupid. or how about "Jew N." or "your daily
!
!"jewspaper", man thats even dumber. 
!
!The problem seems to be one of pent up sexual energy perhaps. 
!
!maybe a black girlfriend, would let you take out that sexual energy
!
!without resorting to violence, or wasting countless hours at your
!
!computer? 

Jews are in power,
Jews cannot change,
Therefore changing society means hating Jews.







From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 07:25:34 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: IQs and skin color
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In <4mrbtc$m66@news.ais.net> nedkelly@eagle.ais.net (Ned Kelly) writes:

!Anonymous (nobody@flame.alias.net) wrote:
!
!: some white supremacists seem to like books like the "Bell Curve",
!: which try to prove that whites have higher IQs than blacks.
!: however, in general, asians have higher IQs than whites. 
!
!So, are you an Asian hiding behind that remailer?

Scientology was responsible for recently shutting down
this remailer-server.  There's lots of orientals in Co$.


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 07:25:35 PDT 1996
Article: 28147 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Why no blacks on the Brady Bunch?
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In <4mqhpk$cob@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu (Jeremy A. Litt) writes:

!Anonymous (nobody@REPLAY.COM) wrote:
!: Did anyone ever see the Brady Bunch? Would someone please tell: 
!: me why there were no niggers on the Brady Bunch? I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
!: because it was a picture of the Stable, White, Middle Class, Civilized
!: Family. (Albeit, mr. brady liked mens bodies in real life). Living
!: a Quiet, Stable, White, Middle Class Life. Things were so simple then.
!: The biggest problem was Greg learning to shave (or one of the girls
!: starting her cycle I guess), but there were NO niggers around. 
!: We never saw Mr. Brady coming home with a syringe in his arm. 
!: We never had to see Alice with five bastard children. I never saw
!: Mrs. Brady puffing on the crack pipe. Hold the phone, come to think
!: of it, I DID see a nigger, it was the final season, they had one little
!: token black kid for about thirty seconds on the air. Long enough, for
!: Mr. Brady to condescend to him, tell him to be good, pat him
!: on the head, and send him back home to "his part of town".
!: [But who the hell knows? Since (the actor) Mr. Brady was gay,
!: he may have had another motive here]
!: 
!DId anyone ever see the Cosby show?  Did anyone wondr why all the main
!charcters were black?  I'LL TELL YOU WHY.  Because it was about the
!stable, middle-class black life.  YOu never saw Mr. Cosby come home to a
!trailer park and beat his wife.  you never saw Grandpa wearing a sheet
!over his head.  You never saw Theo running around in Doc Martens attacking
!unsuspecting people with their backs turned.  YOu never saw the whites who
!make up a majority of rgular cocaine users.   

Did all of these things happen on the Brady Bunch?  I musta missed 'em
when I was a little kid.  What makes you think most coke users are
whites?  Crack gives a better high anyway and is safer.





__
Have you ever lied to yourself?



From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 07:25:35 PDT 1996
Article: 28148 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: YO DUDES, Can We Rap whitcha?
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In <4mm1l6$8s7@utopia.hacktic.nl> anon-remailer@utopia.hacktic.nl (Anonymous) writes:

!Deep Thoughts
!
!
!"Why do white people persist in acting like niggers? hmmmm?
! **Niggers**??!!, creatures that have done NOTHING for planet
!Earth, Zilch-Zip-Nada.
!
!You don't see Jews doing this, do you? I don't see our
!stereotypical Rabbi FeldinSchwartz putting on a Ghestapo
!uniform and singing Horst Wessel...
!
!Hmmmmmm....Deeeep Thought

Rabbi's jerk off onto their audience.  With Kosher 
circumcisions, Rabbi's suck the blood out of the
penis with wine as a chaser.

Can't get any grosser than vampires molesting
infants.









From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 07:25:36 PDT 1996
Article: 28152 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: That little worm posting from Holland!
Message-ID: 
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In <318E7444.51FE@scott.net> evil Beavis  writes:

!Have you noticed the latest addition to the filth and lies
!espoused by racist scum around here? I am talking about
!"Anonymous" - a pathetic little coward who has an extreme
!fear of black people which is also quite irrational since
!he knows no black people nor live among any black people!

My hatred of africans comes from their position in the
power structure.  Personally I've got nothing against
them, they're just racially inferior.

!He is also completely misinformed about race relations in
!America but still feels a need to post his idiocy here.
!His incoherent sentences any excessive use of the word
!"nigger" further goes to show that we are dealing with a
!true mental midget.  Most likely did he defy his mom and
!come home from the store with copies of "Boyz 'n the Hood"
!and "New Jack City" on which he then based his "knowledge"
!of black people as well as his fear and envy of them! As a

The putz is probably one of those j*ws who hate black people.
My best j*wish friend was a fan of George Lincoln Rockwell.
In spite of that, he graduated to the financial field,
following the j*wish inheritance to exploit and hate the
poor.

!child he quite possibly jacked off to episodes of Roots
!showing slaveowners beating, torturing, and raping their
!slaves. With a little encouragement this little bestial

A popular j*wish activity at the time.

!slaves. With a little encouragement this little bestial
!piece of human debris may turn into a nice little Jeffrey
!Dahmer or maybe even another J.W. Gacy! What a waste he is...

The Church of Scientology has just shut down that remailer.
Co$ is virulently anti-racist and may be behind the flooding
of these newsgroups with bogus racist and anti-racist posts.
Check out http://www.theta.com/ for hate artistry.

At least that overflowing turd won't be around any longer.



__
Have you ever burned literature?
-- 
	God grant me the serenity
	to accept the things I cannot change
	the courage to change the things I can
	and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 07:25:37 PDT 1996
Article: 28158 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Racist historical view wrong
Message-ID: 
Organization: UN
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In <4mk0b3$qp3@nntp1.best.com> stukafox@nntp.best.com (StukaFox) writes:

!Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
!
!: Blame Hollywood on the afro-asian culture which dictates it.
!
!: And keep your anti-racist crap out of alt.music.white-power.
!
!     WEll, well, well  . . .
!
!     Look who told a big ol' fat stinking lie to get a new
!     account from Newtcom. Notice you're not talking from .ix
!     these days. Know why that is? Because I helped get your first
!     account pulled.

And what lies did you tell to netcom?
YOUR the one who said he is going to assassinate David Irving,
YOUR the one who posted the professors home phone/address,
egging on others to harass him.
YOUR the REAL NNAAAZZZZIIIII!!!!!!  who is a danger to
innocent people. 

!     I noticed you can't seem to use the Usenet without abusing it.
!     Get ready to lose another account, loser!

Keep up with your felonies, and you're gonna
luse a lot more than a mere account.

!     BTW: Netcom now knows you're the person they kicked off their
!     .ix service and are NOT amused. 

Tell me about it.

!Mike "Racists morons banned while U wait!" Beebe
!--
!A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a loaded .45
!
!"We are not liars, we are telling the 100% truth (with some xceptions)"
!                           
!			   -- Sean Jorden on the validity of racist
!                              claims made on alt.politics.white-power

-- 
	God grant me the serenity
	to accept the things I cannot change
	the courage to change the things I can
	and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 09:35:24 PDT 1996
Article: 48989 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Evil threats by j*ws
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In <4mk0b3$qp3@nntp1.best.com> stukafox@nntp.best.com (StukaFox) writes:

!Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
!
!: Blame Hollywood on the afro-asian culture which dictates it.
!
!: And keep your anti-racist crap out of alt.music.white-power.
!
!     WEll, well, well  . . .
!
!     Look who told a big ol' fat stinking lie to get a new
!     account from Newtcom. Notice you're not talking from .ix
!     these days. Know why that is? Because I helped get your first
!     account pulled.

And what lies did you tell to netcom?
YOUR the one who said he is going to assassinate David Irving,
YOUR the one who posted the professors home phone/address,
egging on others to harass him.
YOUR the REAL NNAAAZZZZIIIII!!!!!!  who is a danger to
innocent people. 

!     I noticed you can't seem to use the Usenet without abusing it.
!     Get ready to lose another account, loser!

Keep up with your felonies, and you're gonna
luse a lot more than a mere account.

!     BTW: Netcom now knows you're the person they kicked off their
!     .ix service and are NOT amused. 

Tell me about it.

!Mike "Racists morons banned while U wait!" Beebe
!--
!A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a loaded .45
!
!"We are not liars, we are telling the 100% truth (with some xceptions)"
!                           
!			   -- Sean Jorden on the validity of racist
!                              claims made on alt.politics.white-power
-- 
	God grant me the serenity
	to accept the things I cannot change
	the courage to change the things I can
	and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 11:28:30 PDT 1996
Article: 132631 of news.groups
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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Re: Cocain, etc
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In <4mgcd2$and@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com> alpha3@usa.pipeline.com(K.P. Ellens) writes:

!In America today, there is a growing debate whether or not drugs should be
!legalized.  Those who are Pro-Legalization argues that if illegal drugs
!such as Marijuana, Crack Cocain, Heroin could be purchased over the
!counter, there would be less murders, drive by shootings, and our prison
!population would decline.  They also argue that alcholic beverages are
!addictive, and causes more death, injuries and hospital care than all the
!drugs combined, yet it is sold legally in our country.  What do you think? 
!-- 
!Kevin P. Ellens 
!Ellens Marketing 
!e-mail:  alpha3@pipeline.com 
!http://www.angelfire.com/free/profits.html

I agree.  You should try writing and submitting
a RFD for rec.drugs.crack and rec.drugs.heroin


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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Re: RFD: unmoderate misc.handicap
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Finally a Proposal to UNMODERATE a newsgroup! I've always
found the uncensored groups more informative than the
moderated groups INSPITE of rampant misposts.

I'm definately voting YES for this!





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Have you ever neglected an opportunity to save a sinner?


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 11:28:31 PDT 1996
Article: 132725 of news.groups
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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Re: "Left" spam
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In <4mbkes$a80@pipe5.nyc.pipeline.com> tallpaul@nyc.pipeline.com (Paul Kneisel) writes:

!Recently people who followed the debate(s) on news.groups and elsewhere
!over "rec.music.white-power" saw the issue of political spam arise.
!Cybernazi charged forces against r.m.w-p spammed hundreds and even
!"thousands" of news groups with pre-filled out ballot telling people to
!vote against their group. 

There has been NO examples posted here that show racists did
ANY spam for or against r.m.w-p.  Why do you continue to insist
racists pretended to be anti-racist to influence the vote?

!I and others denied that there was any basis to their claims that the spams
!originated from groups opposed to r.m.w-p. I also brought up and condemned
!past examples of political spam originating clearly from the right wing of
!the political spectrum. 

There has been NO examples posted here that show racists did
ANY spam for or against r.m.w-p.  Why do you continue to insist
racists pretended to be anti-racist to influence the vote?

!Several readers posted private e-mail to me asking if I would also oppose
!left wing spam. 
! 
!I have in the past and I do so today. 
! 
!Regular readers of "news.admin.net-abuse.announce" know that JEM cancelled
!two political spams today at 04:59 and 05:56. One was "///BREAST
!IMPLANTS\\\" and the other was "!Barrymore Protests the Use of Fur for
!Fashion" 
! 
!Neither silicon breast implants or fur are particularly or uniquely left
!wing topics, but both are, to some extent in the public mind, associated
!with the left.. 
! 
!I condemn both spams and fully support JEM's cancellations. 
! 
!Spam is rude, antisocial, and wrong. 
! 
!I was deeply disturbed when I first heard of (forged) cancell messages. I
!was most concerned over a subjective definition of spam and cancellations
!based on content. But the Breidbart Index is about as an objective
!quantifiable definition of spam as any I can think of. Equally, after
!following accounts of spam cancellations by JEM, Chris Lewis, and others I
!saw that their cancellations were about as content neutral as is humanly
!possible. 
! 
!The bulk of USENET spam is not explicitly political; it orginates neither
!from the activist left nor the activist right. Rather it comes from
!cockroach-sized small businesses advertising "14-year-old girls who want to
!meet me," "amazing psychic breakthroughs guaranteeing to raise my
!mind-power by 400%," "the secret of free quick money" or offers of a
!combination chiropratic adjustment and bunion paring. 
! 
!Without the activities of the anti-spam forces USENET would become unusable
!as it was flooded daily with thousands of such ads. 
! 
!As long as the anti-spam activity is based on objective criteria for
!defining spam and remains content neutral the anti-spam people should be
!both supported and thanked. 
! 
!--tallpaul 
! 



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From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 12:34:50 PDT 1996
Article: 35913 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Aryan = Indo-European = White (was: Hasselbach lied)
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In <4ltt7d$eev@boris.eden.com> mcurtis@eden.com (Mike Curtis) writes:

!bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
!
!>                           NATIONAL SOCIALISM 
!>                                 PRIMER
!
!>                             Second Edition
!>                            Updated 01/01/96
!
!
!>Why do you call yourselves "Aryan?"
!
!Because they are stupid and ignorant is why.
!
!Note from an ex-neo-Nazi:
!
!"The orignal Aryans had come from India and moved across the Asian
!landmass to Europe. The term actually coined by philologists in the
!nineteenth century in their description of the world's language
!groups--hence, the Indo-Aryan language group. It was actually an
!entirely misleading and false description when taken as a "racial"
!definition, . . ." (pp. 153-54 of *Fuehrer-Ex: Memoirs of a former
!Neo-Nazi* by Ingo Hasselbach. 

Liar.  The origional aryans came from the north and migrated
to asia from europe.  This is why the aryan language is 
called Indo-European.

!On page 243-244 in the same book we find:
!"And you could watch a fourteen-year-old quickly develop a total
!feeling of injustice. This could have been someone who never thought
!of the Jews before, and in a way that was even better, because he'd
!had no time to develop perspective or counterarguments. What you
!wanted was a fresh tablet upon which to write. With the exception of
!someone whose grandparents hand been concentration camp guards nad who
!had been a ruthless Jew-hating Nazi from the cradle on, anyone who had
!thought much about the Holocaust before you got to him was basically
!disqualified from indoctrination. We didn't want to waste our time on
!him because he'd have too many questions in his head, too many doubts.
!But if you took a real blank slate you worked on him, the result would
!often be someone who was soon filled with hate and prepared to commit
!violent acts or at least express his anger in some other way."

Liar.  A primary indoctrination of contemporary
anti-semitism is straight up Holocaust propaganda.

!> Last century, _Aryan_ was revived from the
!>   largely forgotten heritage of our ancestors, and has been used since by 
!>   both scientists and laypersons as a synonym for White.  _Aryan_ was popular-
!
![the rest of the nonsense is negated by the actual meaning of Aryan
!which this Griswold guy doesn't seem to know yet. Remember he's been
!told about 6 times by me. 

A racial term for Indo-European = Aryan = White, which you
have been told many times but you do not want to accept the
fact that j*ws only have a minor role in history.

!Must have been one of those blank slates Ingo talks about.

You mean the Golf Conspiracy?


-- 
		God grant me the serenity
		to accept the things I cannot change
		the courage to change the things I can
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 12:34:51 PDT 1996
Article: 35914 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: _National Socialism Primer_
Message-ID: 
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In <4md1d5$i87@hackberry.zilker.net> mike@aimetering.com (Mike Curtis) writes:

!2. Hasselbach was not a leader of skin-heads. He sent the stupid ones
!top the skin-head group. He was the fuehrer of a Neo-Nazi group. I
!understand it was a major group. From his book, he seems more more
!grounded in history and the history of HIS country than you are, Mr.
!Kleim. He shows you to be the distorting propagandist that you are and
!THAT it was disturbs you most. So rather than take issue and explain
!the word by overcoming his explanation you attack personally. Everyone
!here knows that that is an empty argument. 

Hasselbach had no choice in the matter.  He could only
write an anti-racist book, racist books are illegal in
repressive Germany because of their powerful message.


-- 
		God grant me the serenity
		to accept the things I cannot change
		the courage to change the things I can
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 13:12:36 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: IQ levels (jews and orientals score higher)
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In <4mu0pn$nsp@tst.hk.super.net> pristine@news.hk.super.net (Mr Richard Ethan Latker) writes:

!Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
!
!: Where do you get the idea that Newton was jewish?
!
!Probably because his name was "Isaac" and he had those typically Jewish

MOST "Jewish" names are NOT j*wish: Isaac, Goldberg, Gold,
Goldbaum, Rosenbaum, Rosenthal, Silverman, Rosenberg,
Silpowicz, Birnbaum, etc.  j*ws did not have surnames until
Christians forced them to be named when Napoleon raised
their status.  Variations of Cantor and Kaplan is about
all they can claim as theirs.

!Probably because his name was "Isaac" and he had those typically Jewish
!killer powers of analysis. The anonymous poster is wrong, though, I think. 

Is that your personal bias?  I've personally have
found them to be scatterbrained.

!When I was in high school, I remember reading an attack on Newton penned
!by the clergy. They called him blasphemous, but they didn't label him as
!"Jew", which they certainly would have if he had been. The again, high
!school was a long time ago. Anyone have an old history book lying around? 

Isaac Newton was a great man, an aryan, who
righteously dissed the church.

!Funny how it's the IQ/performance issue where our, er, racist friends
!suddenly turn mystical. In their attacks on Africans and Polynesians, who
!in general have not yet performed as well as whites have in European-
!commercial-technological societies, Nazis soldier on against their "racial
!enemies" using specious arguments concocted from a variety of sciences,
!including genetics, psychology and evolutionary biology. When confronted
!with more, uh, uncomfortable facts, such as: 
!
! that Asians are smart, usually a hell of a lot more self-disciplined 
!than "Aryans", and have far more interesting food; and

The culture vultures' primary target is aryans,
asian power being promoted by the ruling class.
Some asian food is good, but that doesn't mean
that aryans can't make asian-discovered food
just as good as asians.

! that Jews are smart, look pretty much like Italians do, and have made 
!phenomenal contributions to humanity; etc,

j*ws are dumb and clannish, do NOT look like
italians, and have just contributed rip-offs, etc.

!...then Dr Pierce and company start waxing on about old "Celtic 
!imperatives", the cosmic significance of the Aryan ethos and how Aryans 
!are the "vanguard" of the human race, presently held back by "clever, 
!evil" enemies. Seems that the ideology of superiority has roots in feelings 
!inferiority and plain old primal fear ...

It is j*ws who have the permanent inferiority
complex described.  

The development of racial thought among aryans
the last thirty years, has contributed great
human understanding to the role of environment
and peoples.  We know now more then ever,
that white is right!
-- 
	God grant me the serenity
	to accept the things I cannot change
	the courage to change the things I can
	and the wisdom to know the difference


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In <4mnfaq$bqc@macondo.dmu.ac.uk> "What??!"  writes:

!Colour means nothing. 
!
!Respect other cultures, learn from them, and you will  find your life 
!inestimably richer.
!
!White power is nothing.
!
!Black power is the same.
!
!Live in harmony, discover the peace within your soul.  Learn to love and 
!not hate.
!
!Learn from John Lennon, listen to the song "Imagine" - just imagine, if 
!the world was at one, with no wars, no nations, no religion.
!
!Wouldn't it be wonderful, my friends?  Stop and smell the flowers, look 
!at the rainbows. For soon we will have killed them, and there will be 
!nothing left in this world.

These are the DREAMS of white power supporters.  Whites need
a powerful nation to bring paradise to reality.  Let's all work
together so it's not JUST a dream.  The future brings hope!

!***********************
!
!"All we are saying
!Is give peace a chance" - John Lennon
!****************************************

The Beatles, another white power band


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	God grant me the serenity
	to accept the things I cannot change
	the courage to change the things I can
	and the wisdom to know the difference






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From qut@netcom.com Fri May 10 17:23:58 PDT 1996
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Subject: George Orwell inspired by the Jewish Protocols?
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In <4msvts$t91@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu (Jeremy A. Litt) writes:

! Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! : In <4mldgb$mi8@moe.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
! : 
! : !Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! : !
! : !: Messrs Giwer and Moran are quite popular historians on
! : !: alt.revisionism, spending after hours spare time to rebut
! : !: all the silly claims about the Holocaust.
! : !
! : !Are you the same Dave who thinks the Protocols of the Elders of
! : !Zion are coming true, and that the Talmud is actually an evil
! : !plan to destroy the Goyim? 
! : 
! : No.  The Protocols have already come true, and the Talmud
! : is just a set of rules to guide Jewish personal behavior.
! : And have you read either?
! 
! I've read the Protocols, and *portions* of the Talmud, given that people
! spend a lifetime studiny and still never read the enitre set of works.  
! 
! So tell us, Dave:
! 
! (1)The entire world, minus you and Ron and a few other crackpots, has
! realized that the Protocols are forgeries.  Even some of our most rabid
! anti-Semites here admit it's a forgery, and therefore useless to them.
! 
! So tell us:
! 	(1)What do you know that the whole rest of the world doesn't;
! 	(2)Which parts, *specifically* have comne true?

Can't you read?  It didn't "come" true, but described the Jewish
power structure in 1897, and the methods used to maintain power.

! 		-- give quote, citation source for both the Protocols, and
! 		   for the events "coming true"

Can't you read?  It didn't "come" true, but described the Jewish
power structure in 1897, and the methods used to maintain power.

! (2)WHom have you studied the Talmud under?

Abraham Cooper.

! (3)What portions have you read?

No more than you have.  Who cares?  It's just
a guide for Jewish personal behavior, the
chief purpose of keeping Jews ignorant.

! (4)How is the Talmud arranged, Dave?

Like a NYC hardcore bestiality book.

BTW, George Orwell may have been inspired
by it for 1984's book of the Brotherhood.



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		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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In <4msvts$t91@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu (Jeremy A. Litt) writes:

! Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! : In <4mldgb$mi8@moe.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
! : 
! : !Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! : !
! : !: Messrs Giwer and Moran are quite popular historians on
! : !: alt.revisionism, spending after hours spare time to rebut
! : !: all the silly claims about the Holocaust.
! : !
! : !Are you the same Dave who thinks the Protocols of the Elders of
! : !Zion are coming true, and that the Talmud is actually an evil
! : !plan to destroy the Goyim? 
! : 
! : No.  The Protocols have already come true, and the Talmud
! : is just a set of rules to guide Jewish personal behavior.
! : And have you read either?
! 
! I've read the Protocols, and *portions* of the Talmud, given that people
! spend a lifetime studiny and still never read the enitre set of works.  
! 
! So tell us, Dave:
! 
! (1)The entire world, minus you and Ron and a few other crackpots, has
! realized that the Protocols are forgeries.  Even some of our most rabid
! anti-Semites here admit it's a forgery, and therefore useless to them.
! 
! So tell us:
! 	(1)What do you know that the whole rest of the world doesn't;
! 	(2)Which parts, *specifically* have comne true?

Can't you read?  It didn't "come" true, but described the Jewish
power structure in 1897, and the methods used to maintain power.

! 		-- give quote, citation source for both the Protocols, and
! 		   for the events "coming true"

Can't you read?  It didn't "come" true, but described the Jewish
power structure in 1897, and the methods used to maintain power.

! (2)WHom have you studied the Talmud under?

Abraham Cooper.

! (3)What portions have you read?

No more than you have.  Who cares?  It's just
a guide for Jewish personal behavior, the
chief purpose of keeping Jews ignorant.

! (4)How is the Talmud arranged, Dave?

Like a NYC hardcore bestiality book.

BTW, George Orwell was inspired by
it for 1984's book of the Brotherhood.


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In <4mt2gp$foa@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> rdbennet@ix.netcom.com(Dan Bennett) writes:

! In <319179AA.62E8@ix.netcom.com> Kevin Alfred Strom
!  writes: 
! 
! >Judging from your posts over the past couple of months, Mr. Bennett,
! >in which you routinely belittle or attack those who care about the
! >survival of the European race (without which there never could have
! >been a Confederacy or even the conception of such a nation and
! >culture)
! 
! Tell me about "European" culture, Kevin.  Do you mean French culture? 
! Slavic culture, perhaps?  Spanish?  Nordic?  Are we talking about the
! Magyars, the Greeks, the Italians, or the Albanians?  

All of the above cultures are of aryan origin, and
have contributed greatly to the white culture.

! Now those people are all white, but the fact of the matter is that with
! the possible exception of the Greeks and Italians, they haven't
! contributed diddly to the culture that created the US, or yes, the
! Confederacy.  These things were creations of Anglo-Celtic culture, not
! some mythical "European" or "white" culture.

All of the above cultures are of aryan origin, and
have contributed greatly to the white culture.

! See, you people are more worried about the cover than you are the book,
! and you think the box is more important than the cornflakes.  That is
! the essential difference between us.  You believe that a white criminal
! is somehow superiour to an honest black.  You would give preference to
! a scoundrel of European ancestry over an honourable person of Asiatic
! ancestry.  In short, you're willing to discard the very things that
! make Western culture worth defending (and it is emminently worthy of
! defense) in order to concentrate on relatively insignificant
! differences in human physionomy.  You're throwing out the baby and
! keeping the bath water.

Your conception of "honour" is clearly money.

! >I would say that you are a _very_ reconstructed "Southron" indeed.
! 
! Then again, you have a mistaken idea of what the South is about.  Who
! should I regard as a better Southron, some hellivision-raised
! ill-mannered, ill-spoken, amoral lout who happens to be white, or a
! courteous, honourable person of whatever colour?  The choice is plain
! to me.

Your conception of "honour" is clearly money.

! >I lived in Virginia for 28 years, have travelled widely through the 
! >South, and have met many Southern ladies and gentlemen of the truly 
! >unreconstructed kind.
! >How much better it would have been if the planter aristocracy (though 
! >they had their own faults) had prevailed instead of the stock-exchange
! >pirates of the North and their faux-noble dynasties who have sold our 
! >race on the cheap.
! 
! "Our" race, sir?  I would submit to you that the differences between
! Yankees and Southrons run far deeper than mere race.  They are of a
! different culture, a culture that cares almost nothing for honour,
! little for family, nothing at all for courtesy or virtue, and which
! values material gain above all else.  

The reconstructed "Southron" is the same as your
conception of the Yankee which is Jewish materialism.

! It is from the Yankee race that I would be separated.  It is Southrons
! who love the South and who value the things that Southrons have always
! valued, whatever their colour or faith, who are my kinsmen.  If any
! race needs defending from Dan Bennett, it is the Yankee race.

Quit beating yourself up and join the
white race in fighting for the people.

! "The real advantage which truth has, consists in this, that when an opinion
! is true, it may be extinguished once, twice, or many times, but in the course
! of ages there will generally be found persons to rediscover it, until some
! one of its reappearances falls on a time when from favorable circumstances it
! escapes persecution until it has made such head as to withstand all
! subsequent attempts to repress it." -- John Stuart Mill

Racism.



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In <318d94bd.775639@news.visi.com> larso170@tc.umn.edu writes:

! Caesar  wrote:
! 
! >Any talk of "anti-white" bias in the US is absolute
! >bullshit.
! >
! >White males still hold nearly all the positions of political
! >and economic power in the US.
! 
! I dislike racism as much as anyone.  Only a small percentage of white
! people hold significant power.  Bias occurs at all levels, and at a

Those "whites" are called Jews.

! people hold significant power.  Bias occurs at all levels, and at a
! personal level, there is as much bias against whites by non-whites as
! there is vice-versa.  I've received a number of nasty glares and subtle

No there isn't.

! there is vice-versa.  I've received a number of nasty glares and subtle
! threats by black adults, and been called "honkey" by black children, just
! for being white.  I can honestly say I've never done the same towards any
! person of another race.

Every American white has been treated that way,
and far worse, that's not the problem, it's
that we can't fight back in an individual
manner.  Turning over the ruling class and
establishing a national socialist state can
do more than just solve our personal problems,
an actual advance of the aryan race.


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In <831293972snz@augur.demon.co.uk> Caesar  writes:

! Any talk of "anti-white" bias in the US is absolute
! bullshit.
! 
! White males still hold nearly all the positions of political
! and economic power in the US.

Friend, Jews have all the political and economic
power.  You like the status quo.  But for the 
sake of change, we should hate Jews.



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In <4mt0ka$itb@moe.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! : In <4mldgb$mi8@moe.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
! 
! : !Are you the same Dave who thinks the Protocols of the Elders of
! : !Zion are coming true, and that the Talmud is actually an evil
! : !plan to destroy the Goyim? 
! : 
! : No.  The Protocols have already come true, and the Talmud
! : is just a set of rules to guide Jewish personal behavior.
! : And have you read either?
! 
! Uh-huh.  I've read the protocols all the way through, and I've
! read parts of the Talmud.  You, apparently, have read neither,
! since you're unable to tell us either what has "come true" from 

The Protocols didn't "come true," but merely 
descibed the Jewish power structure in 1897.

! the protocols, or the location of the Hideous Jooish Konspiracy
! in the Talmud.

The horrible conspiracy of the Talmud is
to bore it's readers into early senility.

Nothing beautiful there, like the gospels
or national socialist essays.


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Has Hairy Cats ever even seen a Talmud?
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In <4m901f$hfk@shiva.usa.net> hkatz@earth.usa.net (Harry Katz) writes:

!In article <4m2cc2$b9i@news.ios.com>,
!Dave (abh@npl.com) whines:
!
!	If anyone out there would like to know why the Israelis so often
!	kill inocent people read the Talmud.
!
!Mr. Dave knows nothing about the Talmud, and hopes there are naive
!readers out there who will not bother to read it either, but take his
!lying word for it!
!
!--
!Harry Katz
!
!Men should thank God alike for evil and for good.

Thank God for Jews and Christians!

!	-- The Wit and Wisdom of the Talmud, Madison C. Peters, ed.

Harry is always quoting from some handbook or other,
but has he ever even read any part of the Talmud?
Does he have his own copy, or does he only look at
it beneath the rabbi's shoulders?









From qut@netcom.com Sat May 11 07:56:04 PDT 1996
Article: 36120 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: _National Socialism Primer_
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In <4ltu2k$891@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

!Milton, if I post your primer on my home page, will you sue me?
!
!Please?

Just a reminder that the white
movement needs more legal help
to protect our rights.

Thanks for the tip.

-- 
		God grant me the serenity
		to accept the things I cannot change
		the courage to change the things I can
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Sat May 11 08:19:38 PDT 1996
Article: 19586 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: How many holocausts??
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In <831293741snz@augur.demon.co.uk> Caesar  writes:

! In article <4mc8oe$mqk@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>
!            EEGG87E@prodigy.com "M Huber" writes:
! 
! > Date: Thursday, 25-Apr-96 11:38 AM
! > 
! > Reply from an African subscriber:
! > *****
! > 
! > The British should also remember that 1999 is also the 100th anniversary 
! > of
! > the Anglo/Boer war. During which time they, the British, threw tens of
! > thousands of innocent Boer women and children into dirty filthy and
! > hopelessly inadequate concentration tent camps, where they 
! > systematically
! > starved 27,000 of them to death!!!! A fact which they to this day still
! > deny!
! 
! There were over 1 million Boers in South Africa in 1900.
! 
! 27,000 were killed by the British in concentration camps.
! 
! There were 8 million Jews in 1939 Europe.
! 
! 6 million of them were killed.
! 
! There is a difference in scale, Huber.

And what do you care about human life?!?
The status quo is the j*ws paradise.

! > 
! > The museum and monument here in Bloemfontein stands as a reminder to us 
! > of
! > that HOLOCAUST which we, the descendants of those brave Boers who took 
! > on
! > the might of the British, will never ever forget!!
! > 
! > 
! > 
! > 
! > 
! > 
! > 
! 
! -- 
! ------------------------------------------
! \from Caesar                             \
! \Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk                \
! \An anti-fascist                         \
! \"Salus populi suprema est lex" - Cicero \
! ------------------------------------------
-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Sat May 11 08:19:38 PDT 1996
Article: 19588 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: AFRICAN AMERICAN NATIONAL STATE
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In <4mlhdp$76g@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> rdbennet@ix.netcom.com(Dan Bennett) writes:

Dan Bennett is a liberal anti-racist

-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Sat May 11 08:37:40 PDT 1996
Article: 80525 of alt.censorship
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Censorship and tax scams by j*ws
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In <4mq381$gh8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jbrolin546@aol.com (JBrolin546) writes:

!_Youngstown Vindicator_March 7 & 12, 1996
!_Washington Times_March 4, 1996
!
!Youngstown, Ohio
!
!15-year old high school freshman Tabetha Belanger wore an 'I Love Jesus'
!pin to school. She was told by her principal to remove it as it violated
!school policy. Board president Sarah Brown-Clark told the _Vindicator_ the
!girl was aware of policy but wore the pin "deliberately to call the
!question. And the answer remains the same." Belanger refused to accept the
!censorship and consulted an attorney. In early March the school reversed
!the ban.
!
!School attorney Ted Roberts said the policy is designed to prohibit
!disruptive items, but that the pin caused no disruption. Belanger's
!attorney, David Betras, said, "It's sad that, with all the problems facing
!the Youngstown school board, someone would be forced to get a lawyer to
!allow them to express a religious belief."
!***************************
!School boards nationwide are overreacting to the multitudes of legislation
!and court rulings surrounding separation of Church and State. Be aware of
!"who" is interpreting these for your Christian children. Separation of
!Church from State does NOT include curtailing your PERSONAL expression of
!Christianity as Jewish educators often envision it. 
!	-Ed
!***************************
!
!The _Cicero Gazette_, March 8,1996
!
!San Diego, CA
!
!A tradition of 73 years by Christians holding Easter Sunrise services
!overlooking the Pacific Ocean from Mount Soledad has come to an end.  The
!100-member Athiest Coalition in San Diego obtained a permit to meet under
!a cross on the hill at 5am last Easter morning, April 7th. Armed with
!Jewish attorneys marcia EPSTEIN and peter IRONS, the Athiest Coalition is
!now battling to have the Cross removed.
!
!The San Diego _Union Tribune_ called the move a "frivolous
!provocation.....a blatant effort to denigrate the spiritual beliefs of
!other people, in this case, Christians."  The paper had called on the
!athiests to "relinquish their permit" in the March 3rd edition. 
!
!The Mount Soledad Memorial Association went ahead with their celebration
!on another part of the hill.
!***************************
!
!_Orlando Sentinel_
!Jan 25, 1996
!
!It took a court order for ten-year-old Joshua Burton to be able to bring
!his Bible to school. The 4th-grader went to court when his teacher ordered
!him not to bring his Bible to school. The Liberty Counsel attorney who
!filed the suit said attendance is required by law, but, "if the gov't has
!the kind of authority to tell any citizen to be in a particular location,
!then once there, they can't strip away your Constitutional liberties."
!
!The teacher sent the message that the Bible is contraband, something to be
!shunned. Teachers and school boards routinely are interpreting the law in
!view of their own prejudices.
!
!The school district was ordered to pay Joshua's legal fees. 
!**********************************
!
!Ramapo, NY
!April, 1996
!
!CCRRW
!
!Fed up with the erosion of Christian rights through control by Orthodox
!Jews in the town of Ramapo, NY, Christians incorporated the new town of
!Airmont within Ramapo's city limits. Rutherford Institute attorney Craig
!Parshall said, "The implications are mind boggling. If you can say that a
!city or village can pass a zoning ordinance that will make it impossible
!or difficult for people to meet in their homes, you can stop any form of
!FORMAL worship in homes.
!
!Hassidics like to call their homes 'places of worship' and file for
!tax-exempt status, thereby eroding a town's traditional tax structure and
!basis.
!
!The new town is now defending its zoning practices before the Supreme
!Court of the 


From qut@netcom.com Sat May 11 10:09:53 PDT 1996
Article: 132972 of news.groups
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Moderation - is my knee jerking?
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In <4mt9ie$10o_002@mycroft.mighty-jack.tpc> bruce@aracnet.com (Bruce Baugh) writes:

! In article , Russ Allbery  wrote:
! 
! >> Is this a disproportionate reaction?
! >
! >I think so.  A fairly large number of unmoderated groups still have a nice
! >signal-to-noise ratio (off-hand comp.mail.headers, rec.arts.books.tolkien,
! >and rec.games.roguelike.angband come to mind).  There are also some topics
! >which just shouldn't be moderated (except possibly by robomoderation) --
! >news.groups, for example, the net-abuse groups, talk.* groups, and the
! >like.

My 2 cents:

I've consistently found standard usenet groups more
interesting than the moderated groups.  It IS hard
work and burnout appears often with so much of the
empty moderated groups.  And then there's the problem
of the moderator's ego rendering the group useless.

! Excellent points, Russ. Thanks.
! 
! My very strong natural inclination is in favor of the free flow of 
! conversation; it's just that I hate to see the extremes to which the 
! willingness to be rude and abusive can be taken.

Anti-racist examples aplenty in the you know what groups.
Anti-racists can't seem to follow the charters.


-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Sat May 11 11:39:19 PDT 1996
Article: 49328 of soc.culture.jewish
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Lawsuit Filed Over Blackface Minstrel Show
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New York

	A federal lawsuit accuses a Club Med resort
in Senegal of staging a "minstrel show" with two 
white [j*wish?] performers in blackface at an 
African summit last May whose participants
included several prominent African-American
leaders.
	Audience members at a reception during the
summit reacted to the performance with "shock,
humiliation, anger and outrage," according to the
$5 million lawsuit filed Monday by the summit's
organizers against Club Med Inc. in Federal
District Court in Manhattan.
	Several of the summit's participants,
who included Jesse Jackson and Ronald Brown, the
late commerce secretary, later compared the skit
to an "Amos and Andy routine," although it was not
clear whether Jackson or Brown had been in the
audience.  The complaint states that some
audience members were so angry that the skit 
"nearly led to a riot at the Club Med Village."
	Edwina Arnold, public relations director
for Club Med Inc. in Manhattan, said last night
that the company's lawyers had not yet received
a copy of the complaint.

[Were the performers j*wish like in the origional
Amos and Andy show, or "mammy?"  If this show
took place in Senegal how come the suit is filed
in the US?  What is the actual legal basis of
the suit?]








From qut@netcom.com Sat May 11 15:39:23 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Jewish Remembrance Fund
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In <092329Z08051996@anon.penet.fi> an92569@anon.penet.fi (an92569@anon.penet.fi) writes:


!             Jewish Remembrance Fund
!             -----------------------
!
!Jewish Fund for Remembering the Exodus and the Holocaust 
!and the World's Guilt.

The only thing the world's guilty of
is permitting itself to run by parasites.





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In <092329Z08051996@anon.penet.fi> an92569@anon.penet.fi (an92569@anon.penet.fi) writes:


!             Jewish Remembrance Fund
!             -----------------------
!
!Jewish Fund for Remembering the Exodus and the Holocaust 
!and the World's Guilt.

The only thing the world's guilty of
is permitting itself to run by parasites.





From qut@netcom.com Sun May 12 09:27:18 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Israel's arsenal (was: Israle "fighting to win")
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In  dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) writes:

! Les Griswold  wrote:
! 
! # Yes, we can thank Johnathan "Stealing nuke secrets from the U.S. 
! # is my racial obligation" Pollard for that.
! 
! 1) Israel is reported to have built nukes as early as the
!    1960's, long before the Pollard affair.

It was Jewish spies who stole nuclear secrets to supply Stalin and
Israel with the tools to manufacture weapons of mass destruction.

Joseph McCarthy was wrong about "Communists," it was simply Jews.

! 2) Was Pollard accused of stealing "nuke secrets"? Are you sure about
!    this?

It was Jewish spies who stole nuclear secrets to supply Stalin and
Israel with the tools to manufacture weapons of mass destruction.

Joseph McCarthy was wrong about "Communists," it was simply Jews.

! -Danny Keren.
! 
! -- 
! Lies written in ink can never disguise facts written in blood.

The truth of race.

! -Lu Xun.



-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Sun May 12 10:26:48 PDT 1996
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In <4me80m$n2g@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) writes:

! bob whitaker  writes:
! >     One thing I noticed as a continuing theme in these 
! >exchanges is the constant use of the word "coward" and the 
! >questioning of courage the anti-whites keep up.  The racists 
! >never mention courage.
! 
! BWAHAHAHA!!!!!
! 
!  wolfshook4@aol.com
!  ajustice@aol.com
!  clsandlin@aol.com
!  justinlc@aol.com
!  qut@netcom.com
!  nobody@replay.com
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!  FC000NK9@maritz.com
!  EEGG87A@prodigy.com
!  blitz@email4.starnetinc.com
!  nietzsche@gnn.com
!  whitewolf@alpha.c2.org
! 
! Actually, Wyatt Kaldenberg, the CTM* wannabe who went after Geraldo, had
! some choice words for many of the White Power Rangers: 
! 
! |   Revisionism was created by right wing Jesus freaks who are afraid of
! |what must be done. Most of these Revisionists are either race mixers or
! |pal around with Jews so people will think they are nice people.
! |   Stalin killed 30 million people, Mao killed 60 million people, Pol
! |Pot killed 37% of his citzens. None of this has stopped the drive for
! |equality. People don't care about mass murder. They just want to watch
! |TV.  The mass don't give a shit about anything. Be happy. Don't worry.
! 
! * CTM = Coward Tom Metzger
! 
! "only the taste of human blood will quench the soil's thirst, upon which
! the green grass will grow."

Notice how Boy Graves only considers violence
to be a measure of heroism.  What a j*w.

! >    Those who are safely enconhed behind the establishment or 
! >are Establishment Good Boys on a nice safe campus tell 
! >themselves they are brave, but they know they face no 
! >challenge.   "Have the courage to support Comrade Stalin" as 
! >the cliche went during the 1930's in Russia.  But those who 
! >said it knew it took no courage to back Stalin.  I think the 
! >Establishment Good Boys know the same thing, and it bothers 
! >them, hence the constant talk about courage from them.
! 
! BWAHAHAHA!!!
! 
! -rich

-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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In <831485056snz@augur.demon.co.uk> Caesar  writes:

! In article  qut@netcom.com "Dave Harman" writes:
! 
! > In <831293370snz@augur.demon.co.uk> Caesar  writes:
! > 
! > !> Jews cannot change;
! > !
! > !Why are you generalizing about a group of 20 million people?
! > 
! > Mass coincidence.
! > 
! 
! Prejudice.

Racism.

-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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From: SpyKing 
Date: 24 Mar 96 14:08:16 EST
Subject: Tempest Intrusion [long]

This may be of interest to your readers. You have my permission to use
it.

Nowhere to run...Nowhere to hide...  The vulnerability of CRT's, CPU's
and peripherals to TEMPEST monitoring in the real world.

Copyright 1996, All Rights Reserved

By

Frank Jones
CEO
Technical Assistance Group
286 Spring Street
New York, New York 10013 USA
Tel: 212-989-9898
Fax: 212-337-0934
E-Mail: spyking@mne.net
URL: http://www.thecodex.com

George Orwell wrote the classic "1984"  in 1949. He depicted a world in
which the government controlled it's citizens and a world devoid of
privacy.  Many of the things Orwell wrote almost fifty years ago have
come to pass.

Surveillance technology has progressed to the point that is possible to
identify individuals walking city streets from satellites in orbit.
Telephone, fax and e-mail communications can routinely be monitored.
Personal information files are kept on citizens from cradle to grave.
There is nowhere to run...nowhere to hide...

The advent of the personal computer has revolutionized the way we do
business, keep records, communicate and entertain ourselves. Computers
have taken the place of typewriters, telephones, fax and telex
machines.

The Internet has opened up a new world of high speed and inexpensive
communications. How secure and private is it? There are many encryption
programs and hardware devices available for security purposes but what
about the computer terminal itself? How safe is it? What are it's
vulnerabilities?  Hackers have been known to cause mischief from time
to time...Is it possible for an adversary to snoop on your private
data? Can Big Brother?

Suppose it was possible to aim a device or an antenna at your apartment
or home from across the street or down the block. Suppose you were
working on a confidential business project on your PC. Suppose that
device down the block could read what you were typing and viewing on
the CRT? Feeling uncomfortable? Suppose that device could monitor
everything you do on your computer by collecting electromagnetic
radiation emitted from your computer's CRT, CPU and/or peripheral
equipment, reconstruct those emissions into coherent receivable signals
and store them for later review? Feeling faint? Good. The technology
exists...and it has for some time....

You don't have to worry about a  "middle of the night" break-in by some
clandestine government black-bag team to plant a bug.  They never have
to enter your home or office. Seedy looking private investigators or
the information warrior won't be found tampering with your telephone
lines in the basement either...it's not necessary...all they have to do
is point an antenna...safely, from a distance away...and collect your
private data...

This surveillance technique has become known as TEMPEST monitoring.
TEMPEST stands for Transient  Electromagnetic Pulse Standard. It is the
standard by which the government measures electromagnetic computer
emissions and details what is safe (allowed to leak) from monitoring.
The standards are detailed in NACSIM 5100A, a document which has been
classified by the National Security Agency. Devices which conform to
this standard are called TEMPEST certified.

In 1985, a Dutch scientist Wim van Eck published a paper which was
written about in the prestigious "Computers & Security" journal,
"Electromagnetic Radiation from Video Display Units: An Eavesdropping
Risk?" Vol 4 (4) pp 269-286. The paper caused a panic in certain
government circles and was immediately classified as is just about all
TEMPEST information.

Wim van Eck's work proved that Video Display Units (CRT's) emitted
electromagnetic radiation similar to radio waves and that they could be
intercepted, reconstructed and viewed from a remote location. This of
course compromises security of data being worked on and viewed by the
computer's user. Over the years TEMPEST monitoring has also been called
van Eck monitoring or van Eck eavesdropping.

In 1990, Professor Erhard Moller of Acchen University in Germany
published a paper, "Protective Measures Against Compromising
Electromagnetic Radiation Emitted by Video Display Terminals". Moller's
paper which updated in detail van Ecks's work also caused a furor.

The government's policy of TEMPEST secrecy has created a double edged
sword.  By classifying TEMPEST standards, they inhibit private citizens
and industry by failing to provide the means of adequately shielding
PC's and/or computer facilities. There is an old saying, "You can't
drive a nail without the hammer". If concerned personnel don't know the
minimum standards for protection...how can they shield and protect?
Shielding does exist which can prevent individuals and companies from
being victims to TEMPEST monitoring.  But without knowing the amount of
shielding necessary...

Perhaps this is the way the government wants it...  My work has focused
on constructing a countermeasures device to collect and reconstruct
electromagnetic emissions from CRT's, CPU's and peripherals to diagnose
emission levels and give security personnel a hands-on tool with which
they can safeguard their computer data.

In testing my countermeasures device I concentrated on interception and
reconstruction of the three types of emitted electromagnetic radiation
written about in  van Eck and Moller's work.

1. Electromagnetic radiation emitted from CRT's - similar to radio waves
2. Shell waves on the surface of connections and cables
3. Compromising radiation conducted through the power line

I found my greatest success (distance & quality) was in the collection
of emitted radiation from the CRT although we were equally successful
in our other experiments. In our opinion the greatest danger of TEMPEST
monitoring comes from off premises and we decided early on to
concentrate in this area.  A workable countermeasures tool would give
security personnel a handle on distance from which compromising
electromagnetic radiation could be collected. Hopefully full
countermeasures would then be implemented.

This also is a double edged sword. The device I built albeit a
countermeasures tool...can be used as an offensive TEMPEST monitoring
device. My concerns however are that if such a device is not made
available to the private sector...then the private sector is at the
mercy of the information warrior using TEMPEST technology to gain an
unfair advantage.

TEMPEST MONITORING...HOW IT WORKS

TEMPEST monitoring is passive. It cannot be detected. The computer
emits compromising radiation which can be reconstructed from a remote
location.  There is no need to ever come near the target. No reason
ever to go back to change a faulty bug like the Watergate burglars...It
can be performed from an office or a vehicle with no chance of
discovery. The premise is very simple.

All electronic devices emit some low level electromagnetic radiation.
Whenever an electric current changes in voltage level it generates
electromagnetic pulses that radiate invisible radio waves. Similar to
the ripples caused by dropping a small rock into a quite pool of water.
These electromagnetic radio waves can carry a great distance.

Computer monitors like televisions contain an electron gun in the back
of the picture tube which transmits a beam of electrons (electric
current).  When the electrons strike the screen they cause the pixels
to fluoresce.  This beam scans across the screen from top to bottom
very rapidly in a repetitive manner, line by line, flashing on and off,
making the screen light and dark, creating the viewed image. These
changes in the high voltage system of the monitor, generate the
incoherent signal that TEMPEST monitoring equipment receive,
reconstruct and view.

We have found that most monitors emit signals in the 20 to 250 Mhz
range although harmonics are fairly strong and can be intercepted.
Radiated harmonics of the video signal bear a remarkable resemblance to
broadcast TV signals although various forms of sync must be restored.

Associated unshielded cabling can act as an antenna and increase
interception range. Emissions can be conducted down power cables and
supplies. Computers attached to unshielded telephone lines are easy
prey as the telephone line acts as an excellent antenna. Printers and
their cables are not immune either. The average computer setup in the
home or office could be compared to a base station transmitting it's
signals all over the neighborhood.

Put quite simply, it is easy for someone with basic electronics
knowledge to eavesdrop on you, while you are using a computer. They
might not be able to steal everything from the hard disk but they can
view anything you do....see anything you see...

HOW IT'S DONE...THE COMPONENTS

A good commercial wide band radio receiver preferably designed for
surveillance (requires a little modification) with spectrum display.
Sensitivity and selectivity are paramount. Not all receivers will do
the job adequately

Horizontal and vertical sync generator. Commercially available and will
require some modification.

Video Monitor with Shielded cables

Active Directional Antenna (phased antenna array) with shielded
cables.  Think radio telescope.

Video tape recording equipment. For capture and later review.

WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE...

Bench testing of the unit was quite successful in and around the
office.  Several computers were targeted and interception of the data
was simple after injecting and restoring vertical and horizontal sync.
We had no problem viewing computer screens on adjacent floors in the
building (we were sometimes hindered by noise) and were able to
differentiate (to my surprise) between different computers in a large
office. We aimed our device out the window across the street at an
adjacent office building and were able to view CRT screens without too
much difficulty.

I should mention here that during the field tests NO DATA WAS STORED
FROM TARGET COMPUTERS. We were not on an eavesdropping mission. We
simply were interested in testing OUR equipment not spying on others.

Field testing of the unit was quite different and required continuing
manipulation of the equipment. From a vehicle in a suburban area we
were able to view active televisions inside homes ( the
cable/pay-per-view people could have a field day) and what programs
residents were watching. When we came across homes with active
computers we were able to view CRTs. Average range was approximately
300 yards.

We continued to test the device in a suburb of New York City with
startling results. We were able to view CRT screens at ATM machines,
banks, the local state lottery machine in a neighborhood candy store, a
doctor's office, the local high school, the fire department, the local
police department doing a DMV license plate check, a branch office of a
securities trader making a stock trade and the local gas station
tallying up his days receipts. We didn't expect that any of our
"targets" would be TEMPEST certified and we were correct.

BIGGER FISH IN A BIGGER POND

We took our DataScan device, as we named it, to New York City. The Big
Apple. We were interested in testing the integrity of various computer
facilities and also wanted to see how our device would operate in an
urban environment.

Let me start off by saying New York is in a lot of trouble. We started
at Battery Park (the southern tip of Manhattan Island) and headed north
to Wall Street. The US Customs building leaks information as well as
the Federal Reserve. Wall Street itself was a wealth of information for
anyone interested. With hundreds of securities and brokerage companies
located within a few blocks of each other, all an information warrior
need do is rent an office with a view and aim his antenna. We were able
to view CRT's in MANY executive offices.

The World Trade Center was fertile. It afforded open parking areas
nearby with millions of glass windows to snoop...we were most
successful snooping the lower floors from the street. We borrowed a
friends office at mid-tower in the south building and were able to view
CRT's in the north building easily.

We headed east towards the New York Post newspaper offices and read the
latest news off their monitors (which was printed the next day). We
headed north towards City Hall and NYPD Police Headquarters. Guess
what? They're not TEMPEST certified either...Neither is the United
Nations, any of the midtown banks, Con Edison (the power company) on
First Avenue, New York Telephone on 42nd Street or Trump Tower!
Citicorp's computer center in the SkyRink building on West 33rd Street
was a wealth of information also...

We found that with the proper frequency tuning, antenna manipulation,
reintroduction of sync and vehicle location , we could monitor just
about anyone, anywhere, anytime. There is no doubt in my mind that
TEMPEST eavesdropping is here to stay and something that must be dealt
with by computer and security professionals.

Passwords, files, proprietary data and records are all vulnerable to
the information warrior using TEMPEST monitoring equipment in a non
TEMPEST certified world.

POTENTIAL USERS OF TEMPEST MONITORING

Big Brother:

Yes, that's right. He does bug businesses. Sometimes with a court order
and sometimes without one. It's unclear under present American law
whether or not a court order would to needed to collect TEMPEST
information. You never know when Big Brother's on a witchhunt. Maybe he
suspects you of being a tax cheat, of insider trading, leftist
sympathies, etc.  Remember Watergate?  Now, the FBI wants to be able to
tap EVERY telephone, fax and data line in America at the turn of a
switch and they want US to pay for it...Using TEMPEST technology they
need never enter or come near your home or business.

Foreign Intelligence Services:

In the last days of the Bush Administration, the mission of the CIA was
partially changed to spy on foreign businesses and steal trade secrets
in response to the every growing surveillance of American industry by
foreign competitors and foreign intelligence services. The Japanese are
the worst.  Most of the Japanese students living and attending school
the USA are economic trade spies. The French intelligence service
regularly bugged ALL the first class seats on AIR FRANCE flights to
eavesdrop on traveling foreign businessmen. EVERY foreign service in
the world is involved in corporate espionage to gain an economic
advantage for their own companies.  Do you have a foreign competitor?
Then the chances are good that a foreign intelligence agency will spy
on you. TEMPEST technology is becoming the medium of choice .

The Activist:

Dedicated, yet misguided activists may wish to further their own cause
by releasing your private disclosures to the media. Every company
circulates confidential memos that would be embarrassing if released to
the public.  TEMPEST technology makes corporate snooping simple.

The Dissident:

Dissidents want to damage more than your company's reputation. They may
use TEMPEST technology as a means of compromising your internal
security, valuable products and equipment, and even executive travel
plans in order to commit crimes against your person, family or
property!

Financial Operators

Unethical financiers can benefit greatly from prior knowledge of a
company's financial dealings. TEMPEST attacks can be mounted quickly
and from a distance with virtually no chance of discovery.

Competitors:

Competitors may seek to gain information on product development,
marketing strategies or critical vulnerabilities. Imagine the
consequences of a concerted TEMPEST attack on Wall Street. How much are
you going to offer for that stock next week? You need to buy how many
shares for control?

Unions:

Unscrupulous union negotiators may use TEMPEST technology to gain
knowledge of a company's bargaining strategies and vulnerabilities. Is
your company is having labor problems? Is your company is involved in
any type of litigation or lawsuit with a union? Does your company have
layoffs pending?

Employees:

One of your company's employees might use TEMPEST technology on another
to further his own career and to discredit his adversary. It would be a
simple matter for an adversary to plant a mole in your company who
could position TEMPEST monitoring equipment in the right direction even
though they might not be allowed to enter a specific restricted
area...

The Information Warrior:

Brokers may profit from selling your company's secrets to the highest
bidder, or maybe even to anyone who wants to know! Does your company
have stock that is traded publicly? Or will be soon? With TEMPEST
technology there is nowhere to run...nowhere to hide...Keep in mind
that anybody with money, power, influence, or sensitive information is
at serious risk.

FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS

Using simple off-the-shelf components with minor modifications we were
able to monitor computer CRTs "at-will" in suburban and urban
environments. We did not recreate the wheel. The TEMPEST monitoring
premise is simple and anyone with a basic knowledge of electronics
could construct such a device and use it with impunity.

Our DataScan device differs from earlier models because of the unique signal
amplification and directional antenna array used which we believe enhances
the collection process greatly.

It appears from our research that most individuals and companies do not
use TEMPEST certified equipment and most have never even heard of
TEMPEST.

I believe the media should be made aware of the problem in hope that
publicity about potential TEMPEST attacks will force the government to
release the information necessary to allow private citizens and
industry the means to properly secure their proprietary data.

Check out our WEB SITE - The Codex Privacy Page URL:
http://www.thecodex.com

The Codex Surveillance & Privacy Newsletter
DataScan - Diagnostic TEMPEST Evaluation System
Design and Fabrication of Specialized Systems
Technical Surveillance CounterMeasures  (TSCM)
Forensic Audio Restoration & Audio Tape Enhancement  
















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From: SpyKing 
Date: 24 Mar 96 14:08:16 EST
Subject: Tempest Intrusion [long]

This may be of interest to your readers. You have my permission to use
it.

Nowhere to run...Nowhere to hide...  The vulnerability of CRT's, CPU's
and peripherals to TEMPEST monitoring in the real world.

Copyright 1996, All Rights Reserved

By

Frank Jones
CEO
Technical Assistance Group
286 Spring Street
New York, New York 10013 USA
Tel: 212-989-9898
Fax: 212-337-0934
E-Mail: spyking@mne.net
URL: http://www.thecodex.com

George Orwell wrote the classic "1984"  in 1949. He depicted a world in
which the government controlled it's citizens and a world devoid of
privacy.  Many of the things Orwell wrote almost fifty years ago have
come to pass.

Surveillance technology has progressed to the point that is possible to
identify individuals walking city streets from satellites in orbit.
Telephone, fax and e-mail communications can routinely be monitored.
Personal information files are kept on citizens from cradle to grave.
There is nowhere to run...nowhere to hide...

The advent of the personal computer has revolutionized the way we do
business, keep records, communicate and entertain ourselves. Computers
have taken the place of typewriters, telephones, fax and telex
machines.

The Internet has opened up a new world of high speed and inexpensive
communications. How secure and private is it? There are many encryption
programs and hardware devices available for security purposes but what
about the computer terminal itself? How safe is it? What are it's
vulnerabilities?  Hackers have been known to cause mischief from time
to time...Is it possible for an adversary to snoop on your private
data? Can Big Brother?

Suppose it was possible to aim a device or an antenna at your apartment
or home from across the street or down the block. Suppose you were
working on a confidential business project on your PC. Suppose that
device down the block could read what you were typing and viewing on
the CRT? Feeling uncomfortable? Suppose that device could monitor
everything you do on your computer by collecting electromagnetic
radiation emitted from your computer's CRT, CPU and/or peripheral
equipment, reconstruct those emissions into coherent receivable signals
and store them for later review? Feeling faint? Good. The technology
exists...and it has for some time....

You don't have to worry about a  "middle of the night" break-in by some
clandestine government black-bag team to plant a bug.  They never have
to enter your home or office. Seedy looking private investigators or
the information warrior won't be found tampering with your telephone
lines in the basement either...it's not necessary...all they have to do
is point an antenna...safely, from a distance away...and collect your
private data...

This surveillance technique has become known as TEMPEST monitoring.
TEMPEST stands for Transient  Electromagnetic Pulse Standard. It is the
standard by which the government measures electromagnetic computer
emissions and details what is safe (allowed to leak) from monitoring.
The standards are detailed in NACSIM 5100A, a document which has been
classified by the National Security Agency. Devices which conform to
this standard are called TEMPEST certified.

In 1985, a Dutch scientist Wim van Eck published a paper which was
written about in the prestigious "Computers & Security" journal,
"Electromagnetic Radiation from Video Display Units: An Eavesdropping
Risk?" Vol 4 (4) pp 269-286. The paper caused a panic in certain
government circles and was immediately classified as is just about all
TEMPEST information.

Wim van Eck's work proved that Video Display Units (CRT's) emitted
electromagnetic radiation similar to radio waves and that they could be
intercepted, reconstructed and viewed from a remote location. This of
course compromises security of data being worked on and viewed by the
computer's user. Over the years TEMPEST monitoring has also been called
van Eck monitoring or van Eck eavesdropping.

In 1990, Professor Erhard Moller of Acchen University in Germany
published a paper, "Protective Measures Against Compromising
Electromagnetic Radiation Emitted by Video Display Terminals". Moller's
paper which updated in detail van Ecks's work also caused a furor.

The government's policy of TEMPEST secrecy has created a double edged
sword.  By classifying TEMPEST standards, they inhibit private citizens
and industry by failing to provide the means of adequately shielding
PC's and/or computer facilities. There is an old saying, "You can't
drive a nail without the hammer". If concerned personnel don't know the
minimum standards for protection...how can they shield and protect?
Shielding does exist which can prevent individuals and companies from
being victims to TEMPEST monitoring.  But without knowing the amount of
shielding necessary...

Perhaps this is the way the government wants it...  My work has focused
on constructing a countermeasures device to collect and reconstruct
electromagnetic emissions from CRT's, CPU's and peripherals to diagnose
emission levels and give security personnel a hands-on tool with which
they can safeguard their computer data.

In testing my countermeasures device I concentrated on interception and
reconstruction of the three types of emitted electromagnetic radiation
written about in  van Eck and Moller's work.

1. Electromagnetic radiation emitted from CRT's - similar to radio waves
2. Shell waves on the surface of connections and cables
3. Compromising radiation conducted through the power line

I found my greatest success (distance & quality) was in the collection
of emitted radiation from the CRT although we were equally successful
in our other experiments. In our opinion the greatest danger of TEMPEST
monitoring comes from off premises and we decided early on to
concentrate in this area.  A workable countermeasures tool would give
security personnel a handle on distance from which compromising
electromagnetic radiation could be collected. Hopefully full
countermeasures would then be implemented.

This also is a double edged sword. The device I built albeit a
countermeasures tool...can be used as an offensive TEMPEST monitoring
device. My concerns however are that if such a device is not made
available to the private sector...then the private sector is at the
mercy of the information warrior using TEMPEST technology to gain an
unfair advantage.

TEMPEST MONITORING...HOW IT WORKS

TEMPEST monitoring is passive. It cannot be detected. The computer
emits compromising radiation which can be reconstructed from a remote
location.  There is no need to ever come near the target. No reason
ever to go back to change a faulty bug like the Watergate burglars...It
can be performed from an office or a vehicle with no chance of
discovery. The premise is very simple.

All electronic devices emit some low level electromagnetic radiation.
Whenever an electric current changes in voltage level it generates
electromagnetic pulses that radiate invisible radio waves. Similar to
the ripples caused by dropping a small rock into a quite pool of water.
These electromagnetic radio waves can carry a great distance.

Computer monitors like televisions contain an electron gun in the back
of the picture tube which transmits a beam of electrons (electric
current).  When the electrons strike the screen they cause the pixels
to fluoresce.  This beam scans across the screen from top to bottom
very rapidly in a repetitive manner, line by line, flashing on and off,
making the screen light and dark, creating the viewed image. These
changes in the high voltage system of the monitor, generate the
incoherent signal that TEMPEST monitoring equipment receive,
reconstruct and view.

We have found that most monitors emit signals in the 20 to 250 Mhz
range although harmonics are fairly strong and can be intercepted.
Radiated harmonics of the video signal bear a remarkable resemblance to
broadcast TV signals although various forms of sync must be restored.

Associated unshielded cabling can act as an antenna and increase
interception range. Emissions can be conducted down power cables and
supplies. Computers attached to unshielded telephone lines are easy
prey as the telephone line acts as an excellent antenna. Printers and
their cables are not immune either. The average computer setup in the
home or office could be compared to a base station transmitting it's
signals all over the neighborhood.

Put quite simply, it is easy for someone with basic electronics
knowledge to eavesdrop on you, while you are using a computer. They
might not be able to steal everything from the hard disk but they can
view anything you do....see anything you see...

HOW IT'S DONE...THE COMPONENTS

A good commercial wide band radio receiver preferably designed for
surveillance (requires a little modification) with spectrum display.
Sensitivity and selectivity are paramount. Not all receivers will do
the job adequately

Horizontal and vertical sync generator. Commercially available and will
require some modification.

Video Monitor with Shielded cables

Active Directional Antenna (phased antenna array) with shielded
cables.  Think radio telescope.

Video tape recording equipment. For capture and later review.

WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE...

Bench testing of the unit was quite successful in and around the
office.  Several computers were targeted and interception of the data
was simple after injecting and restoring vertical and horizontal sync.
We had no problem viewing computer screens on adjacent floors in the
building (we were sometimes hindered by noise) and were able to
differentiate (to my surprise) between different computers in a large
office. We aimed our device out the window across the street at an
adjacent office building and were able to view CRT screens without too
much difficulty.

I should mention here that during the field tests NO DATA WAS STORED
FROM TARGET COMPUTERS. We were not on an eavesdropping mission. We
simply were interested in testing OUR equipment not spying on others.

Field testing of the unit was quite different and required continuing
manipulation of the equipment. From a vehicle in a suburban area we
were able to view active televisions inside homes ( the
cable/pay-per-view people could have a field day) and what programs
residents were watching. When we came across homes with active
computers we were able to view CRTs. Average range was approximately
300 yards.

We continued to test the device in a suburb of New York City with
startling results. We were able to view CRT screens at ATM machines,
banks, the local state lottery machine in a neighborhood candy store, a
doctor's office, the local high school, the fire department, the local
police department doing a DMV license plate check, a branch office of a
securities trader making a stock trade and the local gas station
tallying up his days receipts. We didn't expect that any of our
"targets" would be TEMPEST certified and we were correct.

BIGGER FISH IN A BIGGER POND

We took our DataScan device, as we named it, to New York City. The Big
Apple. We were interested in testing the integrity of various computer
facilities and also wanted to see how our device would operate in an
urban environment.

Let me start off by saying New York is in a lot of trouble. We started
at Battery Park (the southern tip of Manhattan Island) and headed north
to Wall Street. The US Customs building leaks information as well as
the Federal Reserve. Wall Street itself was a wealth of information for
anyone interested. With hundreds of securities and brokerage companies
located within a few blocks of each other, all an information warrior
need do is rent an office with a view and aim his antenna. We were able
to view CRT's in MANY executive offices.

The World Trade Center was fertile. It afforded open parking areas
nearby with millions of glass windows to snoop...we were most
successful snooping the lower floors from the street. We borrowed a
friends office at mid-tower in the south building and were able to view
CRT's in the north building easily.

We headed east towards the New York Post newspaper offices and read the
latest news off their monitors (which was printed the next day). We
headed north towards City Hall and NYPD Police Headquarters. Guess
what? They're not TEMPEST certified either...Neither is the United
Nations, any of the midtown banks, Con Edison (the power company) on
First Avenue, New York Telephone on 42nd Street or Trump Tower!
Citicorp's computer center in the SkyRink building on West 33rd Street
was a wealth of information also...

We found that with the proper frequency tuning, antenna manipulation,
reintroduction of sync and vehicle location , we could monitor just
about anyone, anywhere, anytime. There is no doubt in my mind that
TEMPEST eavesdropping is here to stay and something that must be dealt
with by computer and security professionals.

Passwords, files, proprietary data and records are all vulnerable to
the information warrior using TEMPEST monitoring equipment in a non
TEMPEST certified world.

POTENTIAL USERS OF TEMPEST MONITORING

Big Brother:

Yes, that's right. He does bug businesses. Sometimes with a court order
and sometimes without one. It's unclear under present American law
whether or not a court order would to needed to collect TEMPEST
information. You never know when Big Brother's on a witchhunt. Maybe he
suspects you of being a tax cheat, of insider trading, leftist
sympathies, etc.  Remember Watergate?  Now, the FBI wants to be able to
tap EVERY telephone, fax and data line in America at the turn of a
switch and they want US to pay for it...Using TEMPEST technology they
need never enter or come near your home or business.

Foreign Intelligence Services:

In the last days of the Bush Administration, the mission of the CIA was
partially changed to spy on foreign businesses and steal trade secrets
in response to the every growing surveillance of American industry by
foreign competitors and foreign intelligence services. The Japanese are
the worst.  Most of the Japanese students living and attending school
the USA are economic trade spies. The French intelligence service
regularly bugged ALL the first class seats on AIR FRANCE flights to
eavesdrop on traveling foreign businessmen. EVERY foreign service in
the world is involved in corporate espionage to gain an economic
advantage for their own companies.  Do you have a foreign competitor?
Then the chances are good that a foreign intelligence agency will spy
on you. TEMPEST technology is becoming the medium of choice .

The Activist:

Dedicated, yet misguided activists may wish to further their own cause
by releasing your private disclosures to the media. Every company
circulates confidential memos that would be embarrassing if released to
the public.  TEMPEST technology makes corporate snooping simple.

The Dissident:

Dissidents want to damage more than your company's reputation. They may
use TEMPEST technology as a means of compromising your internal
security, valuable products and equipment, and even executive travel
plans in order to commit crimes against your person, family or
property!

Financial Operators

Unethical financiers can benefit greatly from prior knowledge of a
company's financial dealings. TEMPEST attacks can be mounted quickly
and from a distance with virtually no chance of discovery.

Competitors:

Competitors may seek to gain information on product development,
marketing strategies or critical vulnerabilities. Imagine the
consequences of a concerted TEMPEST attack on Wall Street. How much are
you going to offer for that stock next week? You need to buy how many
shares for control?

Unions:

Unscrupulous union negotiators may use TEMPEST technology to gain
knowledge of a company's bargaining strategies and vulnerabilities. Is
your company is having labor problems? Is your company is involved in
any type of litigation or lawsuit with a union? Does your company have
layoffs pending?

Employees:

One of your company's employees might use TEMPEST technology on another
to further his own career and to discredit his adversary. It would be a
simple matter for an adversary to plant a mole in your company who
could position TEMPEST monitoring equipment in the right direction even
though they might not be allowed to enter a specific restricted
area...

The Information Warrior:

Brokers may profit from selling your company's secrets to the highest
bidder, or maybe even to anyone who wants to know! Does your company
have stock that is traded publicly? Or will be soon? With TEMPEST
technology there is nowhere to run...nowhere to hide...Keep in mind
that anybody with money, power, influence, or sensitive information is
at serious risk.

FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS

Using simple off-the-shelf components with minor modifications we were
able to monitor computer CRTs "at-will" in suburban and urban
environments. We did not recreate the wheel. The TEMPEST monitoring
premise is simple and anyone with a basic knowledge of electronics
could construct such a device and use it with impunity.

Our DataScan device differs from earlier models because of the unique signal
amplification and directional antenna array used which we believe enhances
the collection process greatly.

It appears from our research that most individuals and companies do not
use TEMPEST certified equipment and most have never even heard of
TEMPEST.

I believe the media should be made aware of the problem in hope that
publicity about potential TEMPEST attacks will force the government to
release the information necessary to allow private citizens and
industry the means to properly secure their proprietary data.

Check out our WEB SITE - The Codex Privacy Page URL:
http://www.thecodex.com

The Codex Surveillance & Privacy Newsletter
DataScan - Diagnostic TEMPEST Evaluation System
Design and Fabrication of Specialized Systems
Technical Surveillance CounterMeasures  (TSCM)
Forensic Audio Restoration & Audio Tape Enhancement  
















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From: SpyKing 
Date: 24 Mar 96 14:08:16 EST
Subject: Tempest Intrusion [long]

This may be of interest to your readers. You have my permission to use
it.

Nowhere to run...Nowhere to hide...  The vulnerability of CRT's, CPU's
and peripherals to TEMPEST monitoring in the real world.

Copyright 1996, All Rights Reserved

By

Frank Jones
CEO
Technical Assistance Group
286 Spring Street
New York, New York 10013 USA
Tel: 212-989-9898
Fax: 212-337-0934
E-Mail: spyking@mne.net
URL: http://www.thecodex.com

George Orwell wrote the classic "1984"  in 1949. He depicted a world in
which the government controlled it's citizens and a world devoid of
privacy.  Many of the things Orwell wrote almost fifty years ago have
come to pass.

Surveillance technology has progressed to the point that is possible to
identify individuals walking city streets from satellites in orbit.
Telephone, fax and e-mail communications can routinely be monitored.
Personal information files are kept on citizens from cradle to grave.
There is nowhere to run...nowhere to hide...

The advent of the personal computer has revolutionized the way we do
business, keep records, communicate and entertain ourselves. Computers
have taken the place of typewriters, telephones, fax and telex
machines.

The Internet has opened up a new world of high speed and inexpensive
communications. How secure and private is it? There are many encryption
programs and hardware devices available for security purposes but what
about the computer terminal itself? How safe is it? What are it's
vulnerabilities?  Hackers have been known to cause mischief from time
to time...Is it possible for an adversary to snoop on your private
data? Can Big Brother?

Suppose it was possible to aim a device or an antenna at your apartment
or home from across the street or down the block. Suppose you were
working on a confidential business project on your PC. Suppose that
device down the block could read what you were typing and viewing on
the CRT? Feeling uncomfortable? Suppose that device could monitor
everything you do on your computer by collecting electromagnetic
radiation emitted from your computer's CRT, CPU and/or peripheral
equipment, reconstruct those emissions into coherent receivable signals
and store them for later review? Feeling faint? Good. The technology
exists...and it has for some time....

You don't have to worry about a  "middle of the night" break-in by some
clandestine government black-bag team to plant a bug.  They never have
to enter your home or office. Seedy looking private investigators or
the information warrior won't be found tampering with your telephone
lines in the basement either...it's not necessary...all they have to do
is point an antenna...safely, from a distance away...and collect your
private data...

This surveillance technique has become known as TEMPEST monitoring.
TEMPEST stands for Transient  Electromagnetic Pulse Standard. It is the
standard by which the government measures electromagnetic computer
emissions and details what is safe (allowed to leak) from monitoring.
The standards are detailed in NACSIM 5100A, a document which has been
classified by the National Security Agency. Devices which conform to
this standard are called TEMPEST certified.

In 1985, a Dutch scientist Wim van Eck published a paper which was
written about in the prestigious "Computers & Security" journal,
"Electromagnetic Radiation from Video Display Units: An Eavesdropping
Risk?" Vol 4 (4) pp 269-286. The paper caused a panic in certain
government circles and was immediately classified as is just about all
TEMPEST information.

Wim van Eck's work proved that Video Display Units (CRT's) emitted
electromagnetic radiation similar to radio waves and that they could be
intercepted, reconstructed and viewed from a remote location. This of
course compromises security of data being worked on and viewed by the
computer's user. Over the years TEMPEST monitoring has also been called
van Eck monitoring or van Eck eavesdropping.

In 1990, Professor Erhard Moller of Acchen University in Germany
published a paper, "Protective Measures Against Compromising
Electromagnetic Radiation Emitted by Video Display Terminals". Moller's
paper which updated in detail van Ecks's work also caused a furor.

The government's policy of TEMPEST secrecy has created a double edged
sword.  By classifying TEMPEST standards, they inhibit private citizens
and industry by failing to provide the means of adequately shielding
PC's and/or computer facilities. There is an old saying, "You can't
drive a nail without the hammer". If concerned personnel don't know the
minimum standards for protection...how can they shield and protect?
Shielding does exist which can prevent individuals and companies from
being victims to TEMPEST monitoring.  But without knowing the amount of
shielding necessary...

Perhaps this is the way the government wants it...  My work has focused
on constructing a countermeasures device to collect and reconstruct
electromagnetic emissions from CRT's, CPU's and peripherals to diagnose
emission levels and give security personnel a hands-on tool with which
they can safeguard their computer data.

In testing my countermeasures device I concentrated on interception and
reconstruction of the three types of emitted electromagnetic radiation
written about in  van Eck and Moller's work.

1. Electromagnetic radiation emitted from CRT's - similar to radio waves
2. Shell waves on the surface of connections and cables
3. Compromising radiation conducted through the power line

I found my greatest success (distance & quality) was in the collection
of emitted radiation from the CRT although we were equally successful
in our other experiments. In our opinion the greatest danger of TEMPEST
monitoring comes from off premises and we decided early on to
concentrate in this area.  A workable countermeasures tool would give
security personnel a handle on distance from which compromising
electromagnetic radiation could be collected. Hopefully full
countermeasures would then be implemented.

This also is a double edged sword. The device I built albeit a
countermeasures tool...can be used as an offensive TEMPEST monitoring
device. My concerns however are that if such a device is not made
available to the private sector...then the private sector is at the
mercy of the information warrior using TEMPEST technology to gain an
unfair advantage.

TEMPEST MONITORING...HOW IT WORKS

TEMPEST monitoring is passive. It cannot be detected. The computer
emits compromising radiation which can be reconstructed from a remote
location.  There is no need to ever come near the target. No reason
ever to go back to change a faulty bug like the Watergate burglars...It
can be performed from an office or a vehicle with no chance of
discovery. The premise is very simple.

All electronic devices emit some low level electromagnetic radiation.
Whenever an electric current changes in voltage level it generates
electromagnetic pulses that radiate invisible radio waves. Similar to
the ripples caused by dropping a small rock into a quite pool of water.
These electromagnetic radio waves can carry a great distance.

Computer monitors like televisions contain an electron gun in the back
of the picture tube which transmits a beam of electrons (electric
current).  When the electrons strike the screen they cause the pixels
to fluoresce.  This beam scans across the screen from top to bottom
very rapidly in a repetitive manner, line by line, flashing on and off,
making the screen light and dark, creating the viewed image. These
changes in the high voltage system of the monitor, generate the
incoherent signal that TEMPEST monitoring equipment receive,
reconstruct and view.

We have found that most monitors emit signals in the 20 to 250 Mhz
range although harmonics are fairly strong and can be intercepted.
Radiated harmonics of the video signal bear a remarkable resemblance to
broadcast TV signals although various forms of sync must be restored.

Associated unshielded cabling can act as an antenna and increase
interception range. Emissions can be conducted down power cables and
supplies. Computers attached to unshielded telephone lines are easy
prey as the telephone line acts as an excellent antenna. Printers and
their cables are not immune either. The average computer setup in the
home or office could be compared to a base station transmitting it's
signals all over the neighborhood.

Put quite simply, it is easy for someone with basic electronics
knowledge to eavesdrop on you, while you are using a computer. They
might not be able to steal everything from the hard disk but they can
view anything you do....see anything you see...

HOW IT'S DONE...THE COMPONENTS

A good commercial wide band radio receiver preferably designed for
surveillance (requires a little modification) with spectrum display.
Sensitivity and selectivity are paramount. Not all receivers will do
the job adequately

Horizontal and vertical sync generator. Commercially available and will
require some modification.

Video Monitor with Shielded cables

Active Directional Antenna (phased antenna array) with shielded
cables.  Think radio telescope.

Video tape recording equipment. For capture and later review.

WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE...

Bench testing of the unit was quite successful in and around the
office.  Several computers were targeted and interception of the data
was simple after injecting and restoring vertical and horizontal sync.
We had no problem viewing computer screens on adjacent floors in the
building (we were sometimes hindered by noise) and were able to
differentiate (to my surprise) between different computers in a large
office. We aimed our device out the window across the street at an
adjacent office building and were able to view CRT screens without too
much difficulty.

I should mention here that during the field tests NO DATA WAS STORED
FROM TARGET COMPUTERS. We were not on an eavesdropping mission. We
simply were interested in testing OUR equipment not spying on others.

Field testing of the unit was quite different and required continuing
manipulation of the equipment. From a vehicle in a suburban area we
were able to view active televisions inside homes ( the
cable/pay-per-view people could have a field day) and what programs
residents were watching. When we came across homes with active
computers we were able to view CRTs. Average range was approximately
300 yards.

We continued to test the device in a suburb of New York City with
startling results. We were able to view CRT screens at ATM machines,
banks, the local state lottery machine in a neighborhood candy store, a
doctor's office, the local high school, the fire department, the local
police department doing a DMV license plate check, a branch office of a
securities trader making a stock trade and the local gas station
tallying up his days receipts. We didn't expect that any of our
"targets" would be TEMPEST certified and we were correct.

BIGGER FISH IN A BIGGER POND

We took our DataScan device, as we named it, to New York City. The Big
Apple. We were interested in testing the integrity of various computer
facilities and also wanted to see how our device would operate in an
urban environment.

Let me start off by saying New York is in a lot of trouble. We started
at Battery Park (the southern tip of Manhattan Island) and headed north
to Wall Street. The US Customs building leaks information as well as
the Federal Reserve. Wall Street itself was a wealth of information for
anyone interested. With hundreds of securities and brokerage companies
located within a few blocks of each other, all an information warrior
need do is rent an office with a view and aim his antenna. We were able
to view CRT's in MANY executive offices.

The World Trade Center was fertile. It afforded open parking areas
nearby with millions of glass windows to snoop...we were most
successful snooping the lower floors from the street. We borrowed a
friends office at mid-tower in the south building and were able to view
CRT's in the north building easily.

We headed east towards the New York Post newspaper offices and read the
latest news off their monitors (which was printed the next day). We
headed north towards City Hall and NYPD Police Headquarters. Guess
what? They're not TEMPEST certified either...Neither is the United
Nations, any of the midtown banks, Con Edison (the power company) on
First Avenue, New York Telephone on 42nd Street or Trump Tower!
Citicorp's computer center in the SkyRink building on West 33rd Street
was a wealth of information also...

We found that with the proper frequency tuning, antenna manipulation,
reintroduction of sync and vehicle location , we could monitor just
about anyone, anywhere, anytime. There is no doubt in my mind that
TEMPEST eavesdropping is here to stay and something that must be dealt
with by computer and security professionals.

Passwords, files, proprietary data and records are all vulnerable to
the information warrior using TEMPEST monitoring equipment in a non
TEMPEST certified world.

POTENTIAL USERS OF TEMPEST MONITORING

Big Brother:

Yes, that's right. He does bug businesses. Sometimes with a court order
and sometimes without one. It's unclear under present American law
whether or not a court order would to needed to collect TEMPEST
information. You never know when Big Brother's on a witchhunt. Maybe he
suspects you of being a tax cheat, of insider trading, leftist
sympathies, etc.  Remember Watergate?  Now, the FBI wants to be able to
tap EVERY telephone, fax and data line in America at the turn of a
switch and they want US to pay for it...Using TEMPEST technology they
need never enter or come near your home or business.

Foreign Intelligence Services:

In the last days of the Bush Administration, the mission of the CIA was
partially changed to spy on foreign businesses and steal trade secrets
in response to the every growing surveillance of American industry by
foreign competitors and foreign intelligence services. The Japanese are
the worst.  Most of the Japanese students living and attending school
the USA are economic trade spies. The French intelligence service
regularly bugged ALL the first class seats on AIR FRANCE flights to
eavesdrop on traveling foreign businessmen. EVERY foreign service in
the world is involved in corporate espionage to gain an economic
advantage for their own companies.  Do you have a foreign competitor?
Then the chances are good that a foreign intelligence agency will spy
on you. TEMPEST technology is becoming the medium of choice .

The Activist:

Dedicated, yet misguided activists may wish to further their own cause
by releasing your private disclosures to the media. Every company
circulates confidential memos that would be embarrassing if released to
the public.  TEMPEST technology makes corporate snooping simple.

The Dissident:

Dissidents want to damage more than your company's reputation. They may
use TEMPEST technology as a means of compromising your internal
security, valuable products and equipment, and even executive travel
plans in order to commit crimes against your person, family or
property!

Financial Operators

Unethical financiers can benefit greatly from prior knowledge of a
company's financial dealings. TEMPEST attacks can be mounted quickly
and from a distance with virtually no chance of discovery.

Competitors:

Competitors may seek to gain information on product development,
marketing strategies or critical vulnerabilities. Imagine the
consequences of a concerted TEMPEST attack on Wall Street. How much are
you going to offer for that stock next week? You need to buy how many
shares for control?

Unions:

Unscrupulous union negotiators may use TEMPEST technology to gain
knowledge of a company's bargaining strategies and vulnerabilities. Is
your company is having labor problems? Is your company is involved in
any type of litigation or lawsuit with a union? Does your company have
layoffs pending?

Employees:

One of your company's employees might use TEMPEST technology on another
to further his own career and to discredit his adversary. It would be a
simple matter for an adversary to plant a mole in your company who
could position TEMPEST monitoring equipment in the right direction even
though they might not be allowed to enter a specific restricted
area...

The Information Warrior:

Brokers may profit from selling your company's secrets to the highest
bidder, or maybe even to anyone who wants to know! Does your company
have stock that is traded publicly? Or will be soon? With TEMPEST
technology there is nowhere to run...nowhere to hide...Keep in mind
that anybody with money, power, influence, or sensitive information is
at serious risk.

FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS

Using simple off-the-shelf components with minor modifications we were
able to monitor computer CRTs "at-will" in suburban and urban
environments. We did not recreate the wheel. The TEMPEST monitoring
premise is simple and anyone with a basic knowledge of electronics
could construct such a device and use it with impunity.

Our DataScan device differs from earlier models because of the unique signal
amplification and directional antenna array used which we believe enhances
the collection process greatly.

It appears from our research that most individuals and companies do not
use TEMPEST certified equipment and most have never even heard of
TEMPEST.

I believe the media should be made aware of the problem in hope that
publicity about potential TEMPEST attacks will force the government to
release the information necessary to allow private citizens and
industry the means to properly secure their proprietary data.

Check out our WEB SITE - The Codex Privacy Page URL:
http://www.thecodex.com

The Codex Surveillance & Privacy Newsletter
DataScan - Diagnostic TEMPEST Evaluation System
Design and Fabrication of Specialized Systems
Technical Surveillance CounterMeasures  (TSCM)
Forensic Audio Restoration & Audio Tape Enhancement  
















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In  jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) writes:

! In article <4mmb1b$l5s@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
! bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) wrote (replying to Ken McVay):
! 
! >BTW, you still haven't told us who funds the Nizkor project, specifically
! >your work. 
! 
! Kleim, of course, is lying. Ken McVay answered Kleim's questions the day
! after they were initially posted by "Sylvia Rowe". The article ID was
! <4lo9l8$j5s@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, posted 04/25/96, and is available at
! .
! 
! I strongly urge interested parties to read Ken McVay's answers for
! themselves, rather than rely on Kleim to tell us that the questions remain
! "unanswered". That Kleim does not _like_ the answers given by Ken McVay
! does not change the fact that his questions _were_ answered.

[Here it is:]


           Nizkor FTP file: miscellany/mcvay-comments-on-funding
                                      
     _________________________________________________________________
                                      
From: [1]kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Newsgroups: [2]alt.skinheads,[3]alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: A few questions for Ken McVay
Date: 25 Apr 1996 09:35:52 -0700
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In article <24APR96.15548136.0012@IBM.UTM.EDU>,
Sylvia Rowe  wrote:

>Okay Kenny, it's my turn. Let's see if you can take it as
>well as you can give it...

I don't recall questioning anyone's funding, but I will do
what I can, even though, quite frankly, my finances are
absolutely no-one's business but mine. I will not, let me
state clearly, discuss my finances further. They are, to be
blunt, none of your business, and this response is my final
response.

>#1. Who funds all of your operations? You claimed to work at
>a gas station. I'm sure that you don't shell out all the money
>yourself for your "research."

I do not claim to work at a gas station.

My work is funded by several sources. First, there
are public donations, and second, honorariums for public
speaking. I sometimes receive outright gifts, although it is
rare.

(I wonder why you haven't asked Ernst Zundel who funds _his_
operation... and who the "friends" were that rebuilt his home
for him. I wonder why you haven't asked Mr. Raven who funds
the IHR... why is that, Ms. Roew?)

Much of the work I do, however, I do for nothing. Last month I
was invited to speak at the United States Holocaust Memorial
Museum's Research Center, for instance. The Museum provided me
with round-trip airfare, since I could not have gone had they
not done so. They did not pay me, and I did not request a per
diem, even though I could have. (From Washington, I flew to
Toronto, at the request of Eye Weekly magazine - the publisher
provided the airfare - in order to accept an award for the
Nizkor web site. The magazine provided me with hotel
accommodations, but I paid for my own food and local
transportation, which amounted to about $75 for the two day
period. There was no financial award, but Microsoft Network
donated $3,000 worth of Microsoft software as part of the
"Webby" presentation.)

In short, I travelled from Winnipeg, Manitoba, to Washington,
then to Toronto, then Vancouver, then home, and the trip cost
_me_ about $100 in total. (Big bucks, eh? I'll bet you'd like
to have a piece of that kind of action.)

I will soon fly to Ottawa, where I will testify before a
Parliamentary standing committee. The Government of Canada is
providing the airfare and hotel accommodation, but I am not
being compensated.

The trip will end up costing _me_ money, just as the
Washington-Toronto trip did.

>#2. Is this funding taxable, or are you claiming to be a not-for-
>profit-charity?

Money that I receive, with the (very rare) exception of
outright gifts, is taxable, and is included on my Canadian tax
return.

Unlike Bradley Smith, I'm not in this for the money. Never
was, never will be. If folks stopped supporting my work, I
would keep right on doing it - just ask anyone who knows me.

>#3. If you are funded by an outside source, will you be willing
>to release your tax information to any interested person so that
>they may find out what the money was spent on?

Outside source? Define "outside source." My tax returns are
just that - my tax returns. (Have you asked Zundel if you can
see his tax returns? No? Why not, Ms. Rowe?)

At this time, funds donated for my work are held in trust by a
congregation in Victoria. In the near future, these funds will

[The most important question remains unanswered]

be administered by another society, formed by supporters just
for the purpose of funding anti-racist work. The federal tax
exempt application was recently filed. (Filing an application,
however, is no assurance of receiving the exemption. If the
government is not satisfied with the application, it will be
rejected and returned.)

This is also true for the United States, and an announcement
will be made, probably before the end of May, on my web site.
I am sure that the legal newsgroups can provide you with far
more information than I can as to the laws governing such
organizations in the United States and Canada.

None of this information has ever been withheld from the
public, nor will it be in the future.

>#4. Aside from the persons/organizations who fund you, do you also
>receive contributions from other people? If so, in what way are you
>held accountable for the way in which contributions are spent?

Frankly, that's none of your business. The government holds me
accountable for my income, just like it holds all citizens
accountable; how I spend my income is not dictated by anyone -
would you let someone else tell you how you had to spend your
money?

My friends - those that have known me for years, and those who
have met me during my travels - will find all of this more
than a little amusing, since they are quite familiar with my
financial situation, unlike the white power rangers, and know
exactly what I can and cannot afford. (Lest some of them feel
compelled to comment, let me add that I would prefer that they
do not.)

The bottom line here, of course, is this: neither the source
of my funding, nor the nature of my funding, have any bearing
on the information I collect and distribute. As a recent
newspaper article pointed out:

   "McVay and the Nizkor Project, in turn, challenge the
   Ultras to document their assertions or lose the debate;
   significantly, the Ultras prefer to make personal attacks
   on McVay as a hireling of the Jews who is in the anti-Ultra
   business only for money from sympathetic Jewish organizations."

Thank you for confirming the reporter's claim by asking these
questions. Now perhaps you can tell me what difference it
would make, in reference to the information maintained here,
if I received $1,000,000 a year from the State of Israel, or
>from  the Vatican. (Go ahead, Ms. Rowe, make my day.)

>#5. What organizations do you specifically work for?

I do not work for _any_ organization, nor _have_ I worked for
any organization, nor _will_ I work for any organization.

(If there's anything about that sentence that you do not
understand, that's your problem.)

It is ironic to see this question here - I recently learned,
to my great surprise, that Rabbi Cooper of the Simon
Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles thought that I was working
for B'nai Brith Canada. B'nai Brith was surprised to learn
that I was on their payroll - so was I.

I realize that it is trendy among nazis to assume that anyone
opposing them must be on some Jewish organization's payroll,
but, outside of their personal "Jewish conspiracy/ZOG" dementia,
the contention is nonsense.

! In a similar vein, Kleim has yet to explain just _how_ the source of
! funding for Nizkor has any bearing on the veracity of the information in
! the Nizkor archives. 

[anti-racists find it CARDINAL to investigate funding of racists]

! Just to remind the casual reader about Kleim: Like many racists, lies are
! an important part of his modus operandi. Kleim himself has said:
! 
!   > I have not lied about my beliefs, my research, or anything else of
!   > importance.  But I _will_ use harmless deception (an acceptable
!   > tactic sanctioned by every sane political thinker since Plato) if it
!   > is to tactical advantage.
! 
! In short, Kleim will lie when it suits his purpose.

[Lying about funding is NOT harmless.  Mr Kleim is simply
questioning Mcvay in the same style as anti-racists.]


-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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New York

	A federal lawsuit accuses a Club Med resort
in Senegal of staging a "minstrel show" with two 
white [j*wish?] performers in blackface at an 
African summit last May whose participants
included several prominent African-American
leaders.
	Audience members at a reception during the
summit reacted to the performance with "shock,
humiliation, anger and outrage," according to the
$5 million lawsuit filed Monday by the summit's
organizers against Club Med Inc. in Federal
District Court in Manhattan.
	Several of the summit's participants,
who included Jesse Jackson and Ronald Brown, the
late commerce secretary, later compared the skit
to an "Amos and Andy routine," although it was not
clear whether Jackson or Brown had been in the
audience.  The complaint states that some
audience members were so angry that the skit 
"nearly led to a riot at the Club Med Village."
	Edwina Arnold, public relations director
for Club Med Inc. in Manhattan, said last night
that the company's lawyers had not yet received
a copy of the complaint.

[Were the performers j*wish like in the origional
Amos and Andy show, or "mammy?"  If this show
took place in Senegal how come the suit is filed
in the US?  What is the actual legal basis of
the suit?]








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From: SpyKing 
Date: 24 Mar 96 14:08:16 EST
Subject: Tempest Intrusion [long]

This may be of interest to your readers. You have my permission to use
it.

Nowhere to run...Nowhere to hide...  The vulnerability of CRT's, CPU's
and peripherals to TEMPEST monitoring in the real world.

Copyright 1996, All Rights Reserved

By

Frank Jones
CEO
Technical Assistance Group
286 Spring Street
New York, New York 10013 USA
Tel: 212-989-9898
Fax: 212-337-0934
E-Mail: spyking@mne.net
URL: http://www.thecodex.com

George Orwell wrote the classic "1984"  in 1949. He depicted a world in
which the government controlled it's citizens and a world devoid of
privacy.  Many of the things Orwell wrote almost fifty years ago have
come to pass.

Surveillance technology has progressed to the point that is possible to
identify individuals walking city streets from satellites in orbit.
Telephone, fax and e-mail communications can routinely be monitored.
Personal information files are kept on citizens from cradle to grave.
There is nowhere to run...nowhere to hide...

The advent of the personal computer has revolutionized the way we do
business, keep records, communicate and entertain ourselves. Computers
have taken the place of typewriters, telephones, fax and telex
machines.

The Internet has opened up a new world of high speed and inexpensive
communications. How secure and private is it? There are many encryption
programs and hardware devices available for security purposes but what
about the computer terminal itself? How safe is it? What are it's
vulnerabilities?  Hackers have been known to cause mischief from time
to time...Is it possible for an adversary to snoop on your private
data? Can Big Brother?

Suppose it was possible to aim a device or an antenna at your apartment
or home from across the street or down the block. Suppose you were
working on a confidential business project on your PC. Suppose that
device down the block could read what you were typing and viewing on
the CRT? Feeling uncomfortable? Suppose that device could monitor
everything you do on your computer by collecting electromagnetic
radiation emitted from your computer's CRT, CPU and/or peripheral
equipment, reconstruct those emissions into coherent receivable signals
and store them for later review? Feeling faint? Good. The technology
exists...and it has for some time....

You don't have to worry about a  "middle of the night" break-in by some
clandestine government black-bag team to plant a bug.  They never have
to enter your home or office. Seedy looking private investigators or
the information warrior won't be found tampering with your telephone
lines in the basement either...it's not necessary...all they have to do
is point an antenna...safely, from a distance away...and collect your
private data...

This surveillance technique has become known as TEMPEST monitoring.
TEMPEST stands for Transient  Electromagnetic Pulse Standard. It is the
standard by which the government measures electromagnetic computer
emissions and details what is safe (allowed to leak) from monitoring.
The standards are detailed in NACSIM 5100A, a document which has been
classified by the National Security Agency. Devices which conform to
this standard are called TEMPEST certified.

In 1985, a Dutch scientist Wim van Eck published a paper which was
written about in the prestigious "Computers & Security" journal,
"Electromagnetic Radiation from Video Display Units: An Eavesdropping
Risk?" Vol 4 (4) pp 269-286. The paper caused a panic in certain
government circles and was immediately classified as is just about all
TEMPEST information.

Wim van Eck's work proved that Video Display Units (CRT's) emitted
electromagnetic radiation similar to radio waves and that they could be
intercepted, reconstructed and viewed from a remote location. This of
course compromises security of data being worked on and viewed by the
computer's user. Over the years TEMPEST monitoring has also been called
van Eck monitoring or van Eck eavesdropping.

In 1990, Professor Erhard Moller of Acchen University in Germany
published a paper, "Protective Measures Against Compromising
Electromagnetic Radiation Emitted by Video Display Terminals". Moller's
paper which updated in detail van Ecks's work also caused a furor.

The government's policy of TEMPEST secrecy has created a double edged
sword.  By classifying TEMPEST standards, they inhibit private citizens
and industry by failing to provide the means of adequately shielding
PC's and/or computer facilities. There is an old saying, "You can't
drive a nail without the hammer". If concerned personnel don't know the
minimum standards for protection...how can they shield and protect?
Shielding does exist which can prevent individuals and companies from
being victims to TEMPEST monitoring.  But without knowing the amount of
shielding necessary...

Perhaps this is the way the government wants it...  My work has focused
on constructing a countermeasures device to collect and reconstruct
electromagnetic emissions from CRT's, CPU's and peripherals to diagnose
emission levels and give security personnel a hands-on tool with which
they can safeguard their computer data.

In testing my countermeasures device I concentrated on interception and
reconstruction of the three types of emitted electromagnetic radiation
written about in  van Eck and Moller's work.

1. Electromagnetic radiation emitted from CRT's - similar to radio waves
2. Shell waves on the surface of connections and cables
3. Compromising radiation conducted through the power line

I found my greatest success (distance & quality) was in the collection
of emitted radiation from the CRT although we were equally successful
in our other experiments. In our opinion the greatest danger of TEMPEST
monitoring comes from off premises and we decided early on to
concentrate in this area.  A workable countermeasures tool would give
security personnel a handle on distance from which compromising
electromagnetic radiation could be collected. Hopefully full
countermeasures would then be implemented.

This also is a double edged sword. The device I built albeit a
countermeasures tool...can be used as an offensive TEMPEST monitoring
device. My concerns however are that if such a device is not made
available to the private sector...then the private sector is at the
mercy of the information warrior using TEMPEST technology to gain an
unfair advantage.

TEMPEST MONITORING...HOW IT WORKS

TEMPEST monitoring is passive. It cannot be detected. The computer
emits compromising radiation which can be reconstructed from a remote
location.  There is no need to ever come near the target. No reason
ever to go back to change a faulty bug like the Watergate burglars...It
can be performed from an office or a vehicle with no chance of
discovery. The premise is very simple.

All electronic devices emit some low level electromagnetic radiation.
Whenever an electric current changes in voltage level it generates
electromagnetic pulses that radiate invisible radio waves. Similar to
the ripples caused by dropping a small rock into a quite pool of water.
These electromagnetic radio waves can carry a great distance.

Computer monitors like televisions contain an electron gun in the back
of the picture tube which transmits a beam of electrons (electric
current).  When the electrons strike the screen they cause the pixels
to fluoresce.  This beam scans across the screen from top to bottom
very rapidly in a repetitive manner, line by line, flashing on and off,
making the screen light and dark, creating the viewed image. These
changes in the high voltage system of the monitor, generate the
incoherent signal that TEMPEST monitoring equipment receive,
reconstruct and view.

We have found that most monitors emit signals in the 20 to 250 Mhz
range although harmonics are fairly strong and can be intercepted.
Radiated harmonics of the video signal bear a remarkable resemblance to
broadcast TV signals although various forms of sync must be restored.

Associated unshielded cabling can act as an antenna and increase
interception range. Emissions can be conducted down power cables and
supplies. Computers attached to unshielded telephone lines are easy
prey as the telephone line acts as an excellent antenna. Printers and
their cables are not immune either. The average computer setup in the
home or office could be compared to a base station transmitting it's
signals all over the neighborhood.

Put quite simply, it is easy for someone with basic electronics
knowledge to eavesdrop on you, while you are using a computer. They
might not be able to steal everything from the hard disk but they can
view anything you do....see anything you see...

HOW IT'S DONE...THE COMPONENTS

A good commercial wide band radio receiver preferably designed for
surveillance (requires a little modification) with spectrum display.
Sensitivity and selectivity are paramount. Not all receivers will do
the job adequately

Horizontal and vertical sync generator. Commercially available and will
require some modification.

Video Monitor with Shielded cables

Active Directional Antenna (phased antenna array) with shielded
cables.  Think radio telescope.

Video tape recording equipment. For capture and later review.

WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO CAPTURE...

Bench testing of the unit was quite successful in and around the
office.  Several computers were targeted and interception of the data
was simple after injecting and restoring vertical and horizontal sync.
We had no problem viewing computer screens on adjacent floors in the
building (we were sometimes hindered by noise) and were able to
differentiate (to my surprise) between different computers in a large
office. We aimed our device out the window across the street at an
adjacent office building and were able to view CRT screens without too
much difficulty.

I should mention here that during the field tests NO DATA WAS STORED
FROM TARGET COMPUTERS. We were not on an eavesdropping mission. We
simply were interested in testing OUR equipment not spying on others.

Field testing of the unit was quite different and required continuing
manipulation of the equipment. From a vehicle in a suburban area we
were able to view active televisions inside homes ( the
cable/pay-per-view people could have a field day) and what programs
residents were watching. When we came across homes with active
computers we were able to view CRTs. Average range was approximately
300 yards.

We continued to test the device in a suburb of New York City with
startling results. We were able to view CRT screens at ATM machines,
banks, the local state lottery machine in a neighborhood candy store, a
doctor's office, the local high school, the fire department, the local
police department doing a DMV license plate check, a branch office of a
securities trader making a stock trade and the local gas station
tallying up his days receipts. We didn't expect that any of our
"targets" would be TEMPEST certified and we were correct.

BIGGER FISH IN A BIGGER POND

We took our DataScan device, as we named it, to New York City. The Big
Apple. We were interested in testing the integrity of various computer
facilities and also wanted to see how our device would operate in an
urban environment.

Let me start off by saying New York is in a lot of trouble. We started
at Battery Park (the southern tip of Manhattan Island) and headed north
to Wall Street. The US Customs building leaks information as well as
the Federal Reserve. Wall Street itself was a wealth of information for
anyone interested. With hundreds of securities and brokerage companies
located within a few blocks of each other, all an information warrior
need do is rent an office with a view and aim his antenna. We were able
to view CRT's in MANY executive offices.

The World Trade Center was fertile. It afforded open parking areas
nearby with millions of glass windows to snoop...we were most
successful snooping the lower floors from the street. We borrowed a
friends office at mid-tower in the south building and were able to view
CRT's in the north building easily.

We headed east towards the New York Post newspaper offices and read the
latest news off their monitors (which was printed the next day). We
headed north towards City Hall and NYPD Police Headquarters. Guess
what? They're not TEMPEST certified either...Neither is the United
Nations, any of the midtown banks, Con Edison (the power company) on
First Avenue, New York Telephone on 42nd Street or Trump Tower!
Citicorp's computer center in the SkyRink building on West 33rd Street
was a wealth of information also...

We found that with the proper frequency tuning, antenna manipulation,
reintroduction of sync and vehicle location , we could monitor just
about anyone, anywhere, anytime. There is no doubt in my mind that
TEMPEST eavesdropping is here to stay and something that must be dealt
with by computer and security professionals.

Passwords, files, proprietary data and records are all vulnerable to
the information warrior using TEMPEST monitoring equipment in a non
TEMPEST certified world.

POTENTIAL USERS OF TEMPEST MONITORING

Big Brother:

Yes, that's right. He does bug businesses. Sometimes with a court order
and sometimes without one. It's unclear under present American law
whether or not a court order would to needed to collect TEMPEST
information. You never know when Big Brother's on a witchhunt. Maybe he
suspects you of being a tax cheat, of insider trading, leftist
sympathies, etc.  Remember Watergate?  Now, the FBI wants to be able to
tap EVERY telephone, fax and data line in America at the turn of a
switch and they want US to pay for it...Using TEMPEST technology they
need never enter or come near your home or business.

Foreign Intelligence Services:

In the last days of the Bush Administration, the mission of the CIA was
partially changed to spy on foreign businesses and steal trade secrets
in response to the every growing surveillance of American industry by
foreign competitors and foreign intelligence services. The Japanese are
the worst.  Most of the Japanese students living and attending school
the USA are economic trade spies. The French intelligence service
regularly bugged ALL the first class seats on AIR FRANCE flights to
eavesdrop on traveling foreign businessmen. EVERY foreign service in
the world is involved in corporate espionage to gain an economic
advantage for their own companies.  Do you have a foreign competitor?
Then the chances are good that a foreign intelligence agency will spy
on you. TEMPEST technology is becoming the medium of choice .

The Activist:

Dedicated, yet misguided activists may wish to further their own cause
by releasing your private disclosures to the media. Every company
circulates confidential memos that would be embarrassing if released to
the public.  TEMPEST technology makes corporate snooping simple.

The Dissident:

Dissidents want to damage more than your company's reputation. They may
use TEMPEST technology as a means of compromising your internal
security, valuable products and equipment, and even executive travel
plans in order to commit crimes against your person, family or
property!

Financial Operators

Unethical financiers can benefit greatly from prior knowledge of a
company's financial dealings. TEMPEST attacks can be mounted quickly
and from a distance with virtually no chance of discovery.

Competitors:

Competitors may seek to gain information on product development,
marketing strategies or critical vulnerabilities. Imagine the
consequences of a concerted TEMPEST attack on Wall Street. How much are
you going to offer for that stock next week? You need to buy how many
shares for control?

Unions:

Unscrupulous union negotiators may use TEMPEST technology to gain
knowledge of a company's bargaining strategies and vulnerabilities. Is
your company is having labor problems? Is your company is involved in
any type of litigation or lawsuit with a union? Does your company have
layoffs pending?

Employees:

One of your company's employees might use TEMPEST technology on another
to further his own career and to discredit his adversary. It would be a
simple matter for an adversary to plant a mole in your company who
could position TEMPEST monitoring equipment in the right direction even
though they might not be allowed to enter a specific restricted
area...

The Information Warrior:

Brokers may profit from selling your company's secrets to the highest
bidder, or maybe even to anyone who wants to know! Does your company
have stock that is traded publicly? Or will be soon? With TEMPEST
technology there is nowhere to run...nowhere to hide...Keep in mind
that anybody with money, power, influence, or sensitive information is
at serious risk.

FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS

Using simple off-the-shelf components with minor modifications we were
able to monitor computer CRTs "at-will" in suburban and urban
environments. We did not recreate the wheel. The TEMPEST monitoring
premise is simple and anyone with a basic knowledge of electronics
could construct such a device and use it with impunity.

Our DataScan device differs from earlier models because of the unique signal
amplification and directional antenna array used which we believe enhances
the collection process greatly.

It appears from our research that most individuals and companies do not
use TEMPEST certified equipment and most have never even heard of
TEMPEST.

I believe the media should be made aware of the problem in hope that
publicity about potential TEMPEST attacks will force the government to
release the information necessary to allow private citizens and
industry the means to properly secure their proprietary data.

Check out our WEB SITE - The Codex Privacy Page URL:
http://www.thecodex.com

The Codex Surveillance & Privacy Newsletter
DataScan - Diagnostic TEMPEST Evaluation System
Design and Fabrication of Specialized Systems
Technical Surveillance CounterMeasures  (TSCM)
Forensic Audio Restoration & Audio Tape Enhancement  
















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From qut@netcom.com Sun May 12 17:03:28 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Pollard stole SOMETHING (was: Israel's arsenal)
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In <4n3phg$j80@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu (Jeremy A. Litt) writes:

! : >
! Distribution: 
! 
! Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
! : Jeremy A. Litt (jal5266@is.nyu.edu) writes:
! : > Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
! : > : Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
! : 
! : (snip)
! : 
! : > : > Israel also has nuclear weapons (unlike its opponents), so any state
! : > : > such as Syria, if it tried to launch an invasion of Israel would soon
! : > : > find its capital city anihilated.
! : > : 
! : > : Yes, we can thank Johnathan "Stealing nuke secrets from the U.S. is my
! : > : racial obligation" Pollard for that.
! : > 
! : > Read a little history, Lester.  Pollard didn't steal nuclear secrets,
! : > probably because Pollard didn't deal with nukes. Pollard was convicted of
! : > providing US intelligence on the Arab countries to Israel.
! : 
! : Ah, I see.  Thus, I stand corrected on the details, but the question
! : remains:  WHY would Pollard have to steal ANYTHING from the U.S. to give
! : to Israel?  Or was it just in his (jewish) nature to betray his benefactor?
! 
! Get real, Lester.  He sold out for the same reason all the non-Jewish
! spies sell out:  he was paid a lot of money to do so.  He (wrongly) didn't
! see anything wrong with it, because he thought he was helping an ally from
! whom information was being unreasonably withheld.  He is now paying the
! price for selling his country's secrets.

With a lot of Jewish organizing to get him released.

! There are a lot of spies, and mos of them are not Jewish.  Many of them
! sold secrets to the USSR, an enemy of the US.  yet I don't see you
! flapping your gums about there being something inherent in (Christian)
! nature to betray their benefactors.  

NO Christians whatsoever are advocating the release of Christian 
spies like John Walker, yet there is much lobbying by Jews to 
release Pollard.  "Every Jew is my comrade."  THIS behavior is
Jewish.

! In other words, get a clue, Lester.  Pollard was one criminal.  There was

The Jewish community contributed to the crime.

! In other words, get a clue, Lester.  Pollard was one criminal.  There was
! nothing "Jewish" in what he did.  There was only something "wrong" with
! what he did.

NO Christians whatsoever are advocating the release of Christian 
spies like John Walker, yet there is much lobbying by Jews to 
release Pollard.  "Every Jew is my comrade."  THIS behavior is
Jewish.




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In  paul@mustang.mv.com (Paul Whitehouse) writes:

! bob whitaker  wrote:
! 
! 
! >     Likewise, today we all know race is probably the leading 
! >realityy, that white people are being immigrated and integrated 
! >out of existence as a matter of conscious policy, and so forth. 
! > But we hear from the parrots that 1) race isn't there, and 2) 
! >the white race is evil.   What exactly does one do with pure, 
! >undiluted, establishment-protected crap like this?
! 
!    Really? Which parrots are you listening to? It IS a scientific fact
! that genetically speaking there is no difference between a negroid,
! caucasoid, mongoloid or indigenous person. I repeat NO DIFFERENCE! As
! for any race being evil, you are right there - anyone who makes value
! judgements based on something as superficial and genetically
! irrelevant as skin pigmentation or ethnic heritage is a brainless
! buffoon. Immigrated and integrated out of existence? Pu-lese! You've
! been watching too many episodes of the X-files! Let us know when you
! have calmed down and are ready to rejoin the rest of the human race.

It's reported that humans and chimpanzees are genetically 97% "identical."

Therefore, you are a chimpanzee.



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In <831835295snz@augur.demon.co.uk> Caesar  writes:

! In article 
!            an610218@anon.penet.fi "Steve From New Jersey" writes:
! 
! > The holohoax coast us WHITES (Note Jews are NOT classified as WHITE)
! > millions of dollars each year! This is utter bullshit, and should be
! > stopped immediately!
! > What's next... retribution for witches and goblins that claim harm from
! > years of halloween? Let's end these zionist games now, before it's too
! > late!
! > 
! 
! How does the holocaust cost white Americans money?

Are you kidding?  The Holocaust is the Jewish Donation Of Constatine,
buttressing the Jewish claim to power.  Any single one of the Jewish
BILLIONAIRES may not have had any of that money without it.  It
would all have been confiscated after "making the world safe for
democracy."

! I think this just another wierdo anti-semitic statement.

Think for yourself and the European race.




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In <4m06nk$dej@gerry.cc.keele.ac.uk> cla04@cc.keele.ac.uk (A.T. Fear) writes:

!Keith R. Fyhr (krfyhr@mtu.edu) wrote:
!: Something wrote:
!: :> >Name one war in this century which the US have won on their own. They
!: :> >made themselves out as the heros of WW2, but had to be pushed into
!: :> >participating.
!: :I suppose you never heard of a little thing called the Sapnish American War.
!: 
!: No, i can honestly say I have never heard of the Sapnish American War.....
!: 
!
!
!Not surprising, it was a pathetic little bit of American neo-imperialism.
!Spain was in such bad shape at the time that if the US hadn't won their
!whipping would have been even more embarassing than being beaten by those
!Vietnamese critters they were going to bomb into the stone age.
!
!Andy

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In <3189216C.3D22@yz.org> X  writes:

!> >>I think all JEWS masturbate ..
!> >>Christ was a Jew
!> >>Enough Said.
!> >I think all CHRISTIANS masturbate ..
!> >Christ was a christian
!> >Enough Said.
!
!Christ was a Rabbi!

No he wasn't!
Christ was human, so
when he couldn't score 
with christians,
He jerked.
Enough Said.


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In <4mno3q$3vs@news.ios.com> Ron  writes:

!qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman) wrote:
!>In <3189216C.3D22@yz.org> X  writes:
!>
!>!> >>I think all JEWS masturbate ..
!>!> >>Christ was a Jew
!>!> >>Enough Said.
!>!> >I think all CHRISTIANS masturbate ..
!>!> >Christ was a christian
!>!> >Enough Said.
!>!
!>!Christ was a Rabbi!
!>
!>No he wasn't!
!>Christ was human, so
!>when he couldn't score 
!>with christians,
!>He jerked.
!>Enough Said.
!
!
! If you would like to know what makes Dave and others of his kind post 
!this kind of anti Christian bigotry log onto http://www.pixi.com/~bewise
!Here you can read information you are not supposed to know about !

Ron, all true christians masturbate, or at least try to.
Remember, it's the Devil who invented sexual repression.
Jesus fought for your right to enjoy your body.
Celebrate your hard won right by siring all white 
children, to raise more of God's little ones.











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In <4n2u6d$cav@nadine.teleport.com> rwi@teleport.com (Timothy Joseph Harvey) trolls:

! I would appreciate it if someone with strong, informed beliefs in white 
! power and white surpremacy could explain something to me.  I'm not being 
! argumentative to prove how liberal I'm, I simply hope you'll explain 
! something to me.
! 
! I understand that Timothy McVey, an avowed white surpremacist, was married 

Timothy Mcveigh is NOT pro-white, or there is no evidence of it.
He reportedly hated blacks, but that is not enough.

! I understand that Timothy McVey, an avowed white surpremacist, was married 
! to an Oriental woman, specifically a Filipina he met through a penpal 

Mcveigh was a loner, you're thinking of Terry Nichols, a close friend
of him, who married and impregnated a Philipino.  Note how the mass-
media is reluctant to show non-whites' involvement in the bombing.

! publication.  Within various publications advising men about penpal 
! services and marriage with Oriental women, the men writing and publishing 
! these materials described themselves as either white surpremacists or 
! supporting white power.

!?!?!?!?!???

! Could you explain this "turning ones back" on women of ones own race in 
! favor of Oriental women?  And, why is it good for this country to "import" 
! oriental women?  Do white surpremacist views hold that the Oriental race 
! is superior to the white race and that it is to the white race's benefit 
! to mix with Orientals and produce children of this racial mix?

!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

! I'd be interested in your explanation and any references you're aware of.

I'd be interested in your explanation and any references you're aware of.



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In <3196CAD0.FD1@mail.internet.com.mx> Jordi Sod  writes:

! Dave Harman wrote:
! > 
! > In <4msvts$t91@news.nyu.edu> jal5266@is.nyu.edu (Jeremy A. Litt) writes:
! > 
! > ! Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! > ! : In <4mldgb$mi8@moe.cc.emory.edu> libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:
! > ! :
! > ! : !Dave Harman (qut@netcom.com) wrote:
! > ! : !
! > ! : !: Messrs Giwer and Moran are quite popular historians on
! > ! : !: alt.revisionism, spending after hours spare time to rebut
! > ! : !: all the silly claims about the Holocaust.
! > ! : !
! > ! : !Are you the same Dave who thinks the Protocols of the Elders of
! > ! : !Zion are coming true, and that the Talmud is actually an evil
! > ! : !plan to destroy the Goyim?
! > ! :
! > ! : No.  The Protocols have already come true, and the Talmud
! > ! : is just a set of rules to guide Jewish personal behavior.
! > ! : And have you read either?
! > !
! > ! I've read the Protocols, and *portions* of the Talmud, given that people
! > ! spend a lifetime studiny and still never read the enitre set of works.
! > !
! > ! So tell us, Dave:
! > !
! > ! (1)The entire world, minus you and Ron and a few other crackpots, has
! > ! realized that the Protocols are forgeries.  Even some of our most rabid
! > ! anti-Semites here admit it's a forgery, and therefore useless to them.
! > !
! > ! So tell us:
! > !       (1)What do you know that the whole rest of the world doesn't;
! > !       (2)Which parts, *specifically* have comne true?
! > 
! > Can't you read?  It didn't "come" true, but described the Jewish
! > power structure in 1897, and the methods used to maintain power.
! > 
! > !               -- give quote, citation source for both the Protocols, and
! > !                  for the events "coming true"
! > 
! > Can't you read?  It didn't "come" true, but described the Jewish
! > power structure in 1897, and the methods used to maintain power.
! 
! You mean the methods used by the Czar's minions to calumniate the Jews 
! using a plagiarized version of Joly's "Dialogue between Montesquieu and 
! Machiavelli in Hell"?

The FORGERY in this affair is Maurice Joly.  No such person ever.

! > ! (2)WHom have you studied the Talmud under?
! > 
! > Abraham Cooper.
! 
! In which Yeshiva?

Hollywood Blvd.

! > ! (3)What portions have you read?
! > 
! > No more than you have.  Who cares?  It's just
! > a guide for Jewish personal behavior, the
! > chief purpose of keeping Jews ignorant.
! 
! That's what ignorant folks think.

I'm Jewish, of course.

! > ! (4)How is the Talmud arranged, Dave?
! > 
! > Like a NYC hardcore bestiality book.
! 
! Fascinating comparison.  Would you care to elaborate?

Keep your filty mind to yourself.

! > BTW, George Orwell was inspired by
! > it for 1984's book of the Brotherhood.
! 
! Sources, please?

George Orwell's novel 1984 (1949), and Protocols of the Wise Elders of 
Judiasm (1897.)

! > --
! >                 God grant me the serenity to accept
! >                 the things I cannot change,
! >                 the courage to change the things I can,
! >                 and the wisdom to know the difference
! 
! It seems he hasn't given you the serenity to accept that history happened 
! differently.

I prefer the true unrevised history to study, because
if we don't learn from the past, we are doomed to
repeat our mistakes.



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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Re: George Orwell inspired by the Jewish Protocols?
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In <831899873snz@abaron.demon.co.uk> Alexander Baron  writes:

! In article  qut@netcom.com "Dave Harman" writes:
! 
! > BTW, George Orwell may have been inspired
! > by it for 1984's book of the Brotherhood.
! 
! I read this donkey's years ago in a Jewish magazine or possibly a right wing
! magazine which claimed that Orwell had been inspired by the Protocols. Fraid
! I can't offer more than that.

Read 1984?  *The Book* resembles much about the Protocols.  The
hatred of liberals, the love of violence, racial equality, 
the whole power cult.  (I'm talking about the book within 1984!)
My own idea.




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From qut@netcom.com Thu May 16 12:09:50 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Christ was NOT a Mormon
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Christ masturbated
constantly.

He also nailed 
the young
christian hicks.

So He couldn't
be a Mormon.

So there.




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From qut@netcom.com Thu May 16 12:09:51 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Anti-racists
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! >> >		and the wisdom to know the difference
! >> 
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! >> 	   remailer, or 
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! >> 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! >> 
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! >>            abusive, and your system administrators are
! >> 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! >> 
! >> 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
! >>            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
! >>            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
! >>            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
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! >> 
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! >-- 
! >		God grant me the serenity to accept
! >		the things I cannot change,
! >		the courage to change the things I can,
! >		and the wisdom to know the difference
! 
! 
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! 
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!            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
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From qut@netcom.com Thu May 16 12:09:52 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Milton Kleim has no understanding of biology
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In <4n7fm5$3bd@moe.cc.emory.edu> libwca@larry.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) writes:

! Milton Kleim (bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
! 
! : Contrary to your assertion that exogamic breeding is necessary for
! : "progress," cross-mating between different types of humans has invariably
! : resulted in the collapse of the society which encouraged it.
! 
! Uh-huh.  That's why western civilization first arose in the area
! surrounding the Mediteranean, where different ethnic groups interacted
! more than anywhere else in the world.

ONE racial group created the western civilization, the 
white race of course.




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		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 16 12:09:52 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Anti-racists
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In  kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! >In <4n8gi9$4h3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
! 
! >! In article <31969609.4590@scott.net>, 
! >! evil Beavis  wrote:
! >! 
! >! >Steve From New Jersey wrote:
! >!  
! >! >> We whites must stick together to stand up for the truths of this world!
! >! >> Never again must we allow the Jew's lies to effect us so deeply!
! >! >> We have been blinded by conscience and religion, but we must rid ourselves
! >! >> of both!
! >! 
! >! >Better yet, we whites must rid ourselves of degenerate and incompetent 
! >! >losers like you. You embarrass us!!
! >! 
! >! No kidding... I was watching "Blood in the Face" the other
! >! night, and this Aryan Nations fruitcake was showing off his
! 
! 
! 
! =====================================================================
! Your mail has been returned to you, unread.
! 
! This is either because: 
! 
! 	1. You have filtered your mail through an anonymous 
! 	   remailer, or 
! 
! 	2. Your userid is on our list of undesirable correspondents, 
!            and your email is automatically redirected to your
! 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! 
!  	3. Someone using your server has been persistently
!            abusive, and your system administrators are
! 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! 
! 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
!            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
!            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
!            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
!            been rejected without reason.
! 
! Our users monitor the newsgroup alt.revisionism on a daily basis;  if 
! you have an important issue which you would like to discuss with one
! of them, please post it there.
! 
!                         The Nizkor Gatekeeper
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What a jerk.  Nizkor might as well post anonymously.



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		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 16 12:09:53 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Kleim lies again (was: Racists resist racist group)
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In  jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) writes:

! In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman) wrote
! (regarding Ken McVay's answers to questions regarding Nizkor's finances):
! 
! >[The most important question remains unanswered]
! 
! Harman does not specify _which_ question "remains unanswered", so it is
! impossible to judge the accuracy of his statement. The use of this tactic
! by yet another racist surprises no one.
! 
! [The quoted material below preceded by >! is mine...(JGB)]
! 
! >! In a similar vein, Kleim has yet to explain just _how_ the source of
! >! funding for Nizkor has any bearing on the veracity of the information in
! >! the Nizkor archives. 
! >
! >[anti-racists find it CARDINAL to investigate funding of racists]
! 
! Harman makes an assertion, but provides no supporting evidence. The use of
! this tactic by yet another racist surprises no one.

References should not be necessary in this instance!  Funding
of racists is continually brought up by anti-racists on usenet,
and not just rhetorically.  For print check out S.P.L.C.
magazines for obsession on racists' finances.

! >! Just to remind the casual reader about Kleim: Like many racists, lies are
! >! an important part of his modus operandi. Kleim himself has said:
! >! 
! >!   > I have not lied about my beliefs, my research, or anything else of
! >!   > importance.  But I _will_ use harmless deception (an acceptable
! >!   > tactic sanctioned by every sane political thinker since Plato) if it
! >!   > is to tactical advantage.
! >! 
! >! In short, Kleim will lie when it suits his purpose.
! >
! >[Lying about funding is NOT harmless.  Mr Kleim is simply
! >questioning Mcvay in the same style as anti-racists.]
! 
! Who, exactly, is Harman referring to when he says that "lying about
! funding is NOT harmless"? If he is referring to Ken McVay, the only person

Obviously, I mean that Mr Kleim brought up legitimate concerns.

! funding is NOT harmless"? If he is referring to Ken McVay, the only person
! in this debate to provide information about his funding, then Harman will
! need to supply evidence that Mr. McVay has, in fact, lied. 
! 
! Would anyone care to lay a wager that such evidence will, in fact, be
! forthcoming from Harman? It's not a bet I would take.
! 
! Let us recap: Kleim asserts that Ken McVay has not answered questions
! about Nizkor's funding, despite that fact that Mr. McVay posted answers to
! those questions _one day_ after the questions first appeared on Usenet.

Ken McVay did NOT answer the most important question about
"the funds donated to Nizkor."  He simply said it is slated
to go to an anti-racist organisation to be set up.

In United States law at least, employees of registered
non-profit associations can LEGALly draw over $100,000 a
year(IMO, this is wrong.)

! Kleim is _not_ "simply questioning Mcvay in the same style as
! anti-racists." Kleim is _lying_, as he has said he would.

Mr McVay is being evasive, Mr Kleim is NOT lying, and 
never said he would.  He is not being paid for his 
politics and has no reason to lie.  Whether McVay
is doing so, depends on the trustworthyness of his
OTHER answers.




-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 16 12:09:54 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: #Elie Wiesel Says Hate Still Prowls !
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In <319178ec.33798594@news.srv.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

! On Wed, 08 May 1996 14:16:01 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
! 
! >
! >	Elie Wiesel, speaking at the Steven Wise Center in L.A. about
! >eight years ago;
! >	"I can't say anything bad about another Jew."
! 
! A far more interesting exercise would be if Tom Moran could say
! anything at all good about any Jew or about Jews in general.

Hitler, Goerring, Rosenberg, Goebbles, Streicher, and Heydrich.
Who, of course, are Jewish according to some Holocaust
propagandists.

! Think of this as a challenge, Mr. Moran. I'll bet you can't do it. And
! if you can't do it, it will be prima facie proof that you are
! Jew-obsessed and a Jew-hater.

Hitler, Goerring, Rosenberg, Goebbles, Streicher, and Heydrich.
Who, of course, are Jewish according to some Holocaust
propagandists.




-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Kleim lies again (was: Racists resist racist group)
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In  jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) writes:

! In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman) wrote
! (regarding Ken McVay's answers to questions regarding Nizkor's finances):
! 
! >[The most important question remains unanswered]
! 
! Harman does not specify _which_ question "remains unanswered", so it is
! impossible to judge the accuracy of his statement. The use of this tactic
! by yet another racist surprises no one.
! 
! [The quoted material below preceded by >! is mine...(JGB)]
! 
! >! In a similar vein, Kleim has yet to explain just _how_ the source of
! >! funding for Nizkor has any bearing on the veracity of the information in
! >! the Nizkor archives. 
! >
! >[anti-racists find it CARDINAL to investigate funding of racists]
! 
! Harman makes an assertion, but provides no supporting evidence. The use of
! this tactic by yet another racist surprises no one.

References should not be necessary in this instance!  Funding
of racists is continually brought up by anti-racists on usenet,
and not just rhetorically.  For print check out S.P.L.C.
magazines for obsession on racists' finances.

! >! Just to remind the casual reader about Kleim: Like many racists, lies are
! >! an important part of his modus operandi. Kleim himself has said:
! >! 
! >!   > I have not lied about my beliefs, my research, or anything else of
! >!   > importance.  But I _will_ use harmless deception (an acceptable
! >!   > tactic sanctioned by every sane political thinker since Plato) if it
! >!   > is to tactical advantage.
! >! 
! >! In short, Kleim will lie when it suits his purpose.
! >
! >[Lying about funding is NOT harmless.  Mr Kleim is simply
! >questioning Mcvay in the same style as anti-racists.]
! 
! Who, exactly, is Harman referring to when he says that "lying about
! funding is NOT harmless"? If he is referring to Ken McVay, the only person

Obviously, I mean that Mr Kleim brought up legitimate concerns.

! funding is NOT harmless"? If he is referring to Ken McVay, the only person
! in this debate to provide information about his funding, then Harman will
! need to supply evidence that Mr. McVay has, in fact, lied. 
! 
! Would anyone care to lay a wager that such evidence will, in fact, be
! forthcoming from Harman? It's not a bet I would take.
! 
! Let us recap: Kleim asserts that Ken McVay has not answered questions
! about Nizkor's funding, despite that fact that Mr. McVay posted answers to
! those questions _one day_ after the questions first appeared on Usenet.

Ken McVay did NOT answer the most important question about
"the funds donated to Nizkor."  He simply said it is slated
to go to an anti-racist organisation to be set up.

In United States law at least, employees of registered
non-profit associations can LEGALly draw over $100,000 a
year(IMO, this is wrong.)

! Kleim is _not_ "simply questioning Mcvay in the same style as
! anti-racists." Kleim is _lying_, as he has said he would.

Mr McVay is being evasive, Mr Kleim is NOT lying, and 
never said he would.  He is not being paid for his 
politics and has no reason to lie.  Whether McVay
is doing so, depends on the trustworthyness of his
OTHER answers.




-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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Subject: Re: antisemites have fucked up every nation they have run
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In <4n9a92$b21@news.xs4all.nl> nobody@flame.alias.net (Anonymous) writes:


! antisemites have fucked up every nation they have run.
! 
! germany and itlay at the end of ww 2 were both wrecks because
! of the disaster their antisemitic leaders had led them to.

ONE example?  Germany was the only antisemitic nation
to exist.  So it is not scientifically accurate to
reach conclusions from a single example.

And Germany was a roaring success in the intellectual
field.  We have precedent to create a new nation
founded on racism, the true america, the true europe.



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		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 17 14:33:11 PDT 1996
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Subject: Ignorant Anti-racists
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In <4n8gi9$4h3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! In article <31969609.4590@scott.net>, 
! evil Beavis  wrote:
! 
! >Steve From New Jersey wrote:
!  
! >> We whites must stick together to stand up for the truths of this world!
! >> Never again must we allow the Jew's lies to effect us so deeply!
! >> We have been blinded by conscience and religion, but we must rid ourselves
! >> of both!
! 
! >Better yet, we whites must rid ourselves of degenerate and incompetent 
! >losers like you. You embarrass us!!
! 
! No kidding... I was watching "Blood in the Face" the other
! night, and this Aryan Nations fruitcake was showing off his
-- 
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		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 17 14:33:12 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Kevin's honey (was: Water, water everywhere!)
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In <4nbcvs$a7l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

! Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
! > In article <4n9kmp$m7p@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
! > Les Griswold  wrote:
! > 
! >>> 	My fiancee says "Don't call me a mulatto, call me a fair-skinned 
! >>> Black."  
! >>
! >>Your fiancee could demand that we call her the Blue Bird of Paradise, but
! >>that wouldn't change what she is.
! > 
! > 	If you mean by "Mulatto" a Black person with some non-Black 
! > ancestry, then you're correct. 
! 
! Give that man a CEE-GAR!  Yes, that's EXACTLY what I mean.
! 
! > The word has fallen out of favor, though; the current politically correct
! > term is "biracial" or "multiracial."  
! 
! (snicker)  Ask Laura Finsten what I think of "Political Correctness".
!  
! (snip)
! 
! >>Well, why don't you read the National Alliance web page?  Or the
! >>membership handbook?  Or even "What is the National Alliance?".  All three
! >>have pretty decent explanations of what constitues "White".
! > 
! > 	Don't have web access yet (still working with a tired ol' unix 
! > shell account...).  If you have an FTP address where I can pick up NA 
! > materials, I'd be happy to check them out.

Kevin Filan is bullshiting here.  Unix shell is the FASTEST type
of account and IDEAL for accessing web sites like natvan and nizkor.

! I can access the web page for you, but essentially, what it says is,
! anyone of wholly white European ancestry.  It makes specific mention of
! jews, why I don't know.  Anyway, it states unequivocally that jews are NOT
! white.
! 
! Les
! 
! 



-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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In <4nbcvs$a7l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

! Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
! > In article <4n9kmp$m7p@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
! > Les Griswold  wrote:
! > 
! >>> 	My fiancee says "Don't call me a mulatto, call me a fair-skinned 
! >>> Black."  
! >>
! >>Your fiancee could demand that we call her the Blue Bird of Paradise, but
! >>that wouldn't change what she is.
! > 
! > 	If you mean by "Mulatto" a Black person with some non-Black 
! > ancestry, then you're correct. 
! 
! Give that man a CEE-GAR!  Yes, that's EXACTLY what I mean.
! 
! > The word has fallen out of favor, though; the current politically correct
! > term is "biracial" or "multiracial."  
! 
! (snicker)  Ask Laura Finsten what I think of "Political Correctness".
!  
! (snip)
! 
! >>Well, why don't you read the National Alliance web page?  Or the
! >>membership handbook?  Or even "What is the National Alliance?".  All three
! >>have pretty decent explanations of what constitues "White".
! > 
! > 	Don't have web access yet (still working with a tired ol' unix 
! > shell account...).  If you have an FTP address where I can pick up NA 
! > materials, I'd be happy to check them out.

Kevin Filan is bullshiting here.  Unix shell is the FASTEST type
of account and IDEAL for accessing web sites like natvan and nizkor.

! I can access the web page for you, but essentially, what it says is,
! anyone of wholly white European ancestry.  It makes specific mention of
! jews, why I don't know.  Anyway, it states unequivocally that jews are NOT
! white.
! 
! Les
! 
! 



-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Christ was NOT a Mormon
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Christ masturbated
constantly.

He also nailed 
the young
christian hicks.

So He couldn't
be a Mormon.

So there.




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		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 17 20:56:25 PDT 1996
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In <4nbcvs$a7l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

! Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
! > In article <4n9kmp$m7p@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
! > Les Griswold  wrote:
! > 
! >>> 	My fiancee says "Don't call me a mulatto, call me a fair-skinned 
! >>> Black."  
! >>
! >>Your fiancee could demand that we call her the Blue Bird of Paradise, but
! >>that wouldn't change what she is.
! > 
! > 	If you mean by "Mulatto" a Black person with some non-Black 
! > ancestry, then you're correct. 
! 
! Give that man a CEE-GAR!  Yes, that's EXACTLY what I mean.
! 
! > The word has fallen out of favor, though; the current politically correct
! > term is "biracial" or "multiracial."  
! 
! (snicker)  Ask Laura Finsten what I think of "Political Correctness".
!  
! (snip)
! 
! >>Well, why don't you read the National Alliance web page?  Or the
! >>membership handbook?  Or even "What is the National Alliance?".  All three
! >>have pretty decent explanations of what constitues "White".
! > 
! > 	Don't have web access yet (still working with a tired ol' unix 
! > shell account...).  If you have an FTP address where I can pick up NA 
! > materials, I'd be happy to check them out.

Kevin Filan is bullshiting here.  Unix shell is the FASTEST type
of account and IDEAL for accessing web sites like natvan and nizkor.

! I can access the web page for you, but essentially, what it says is,
! anyone of wholly white European ancestry.  It makes specific mention of
! jews, why I don't know.  Anyway, it states unequivocally that jews are NOT
! white.
! 
! Les
! 
! 



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		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Christ was NOT a Mormon
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Christ masturbated
constantly.

He also nailed 
the young
christian hicks.

So He couldn't
be a Mormon.

So there.




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		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 17 21:07:03 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Anti-racists
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! >ON
! >> 
! >> >ON
! >> >> 
! >> >> >ON
! >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >ON
! >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >ON
! >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >ON
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >In  kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >In <4n8gi9$4h3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! In article <31969609.4590@scott.net>, 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! evil Beavis  wrote:
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! >Steve From New Jersey wrote:
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >!  
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! >> We whites must stick together to stand up for the truths of this world!
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! >> Never again must we allow the Jew's lies to effect us so deeply!
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! >> We have been blinded by conscience and religion, but we must rid ourselves
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! >> of both!
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! >Better yet, we whites must rid ourselves of degenerate and incompetent 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! >losers like you. You embarrass us!!
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! No kidding... I was watching "Blood in the Face" the other
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! >! night, and this Aryan Nations fruitcake was showing off his
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! 
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! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! 
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! >> >> >> >> >> >> >!            abusive, and your system administrators are
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >!            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >!            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >!            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >!            been rejected without reason.
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! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! you have an important issue which you would like to discuss with one
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! >> >> >> >> >> >> >!                         The Nizkor Gatekeeper
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >! =====================================================================
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> >What a jerk.  Nizkor might as well post anonymously.
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
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! >> >> >> >> >> >>            and your email is automatically redirected to your
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >>  	3. Someone using your server has been persistently
! >> >> >> >> >> >>            abusive, and your system administrators are
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
! >> >> >> >> >> >>            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
! >> >> >> >> >> >>            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
! >> >> >> >> >> >>            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
! >> >> >> >> >> >>            been rejected without reason.
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> Our users monitor the newsgroup alt.revisionism on a daily basis;  if 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> you have an important issue which you would like to discuss with one
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! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> >-- 
! >> >> >> >> >> >		God grant me the serenity to accept
! >> >> >> >> >> >		the things I cannot change,
! >> >> >> >> >> >		the courage to change the things I can,
! >> >> >> >> >> >		and the wisdom to know the difference
! >> >> >> >> >> 
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! >> >> >> >> >>            and your email is automatically redirected to your
! >> >> >> >> >> 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >>  	3. Someone using your server has been persistently
! >> >> >> >> >>            abusive, and your system administrators are
! >> >> >> >> >> 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! >> >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> >> 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
! >> >> >> >> >>            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
! >> >> >> >> >>            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
! >> >> >> >> >>            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
! >> >> >> >> >>            been rejected without reason.
! >> >> >> >> >> 
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! >> >> >> >> >		God grant me the serenity to accept
! >> >> >> >> >		the things I cannot change,
! >> >> >> >> >		the courage to change the things I can,
! >> >> >> >> >		and the wisdom to know the difference
! >> >> >> >> 
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! >> >> >> >> 	2. Your userid is on our list of undesirable correspondents, 
! >> >> >> >>            and your email is automatically redirected to your
! >> >> >> >> 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >>  	3. Someone using your server has been persistently
! >> >> >> >>            abusive, and your system administrators are
! >> >> >> >> 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
! >> >> >> >>            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
! >> >> >> >>            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
! >> >> >> >>            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
! >> >> >> >>            been rejected without reason.
! >> >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> >> Our users monitor the newsgroup alt.revisionism on a daily basis;  if 
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! >> >> >> 
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! >> >> >> >-- 
! >> >> >> >		God grant me the serenity to accept
! >> >> >> >		the things I cannot change,
! >> >> >> >		the courage to change the things I can,
! >> >> >> >		and the wisdom to know the difference
! >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> 
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! >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> This is either because: 
! >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> 	1. You have filtered your mail through an anonymous 
! >> >> >> 	   remailer, or 
! >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> 	2. Your userid is on our list of undesirable correspondents, 
! >> >> >>            and your email is automatically redirected to your
! >> >> >> 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! >> >> >> 
! >> >> >>  	3. Someone using your server has been persistently
! >> >> >>            abusive, and your system administrators are
! >> >> >> 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
! >> >> >>            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
! >> >> >>            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
! >> >> >>            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
! >> >> >>            been rejected without reason.
! >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> Our users monitor the newsgroup alt.revisionism on a daily basis;  if 
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! >> >> >> of them, please post it there.
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! >> >> >> 
! >> >> >> 
! >> >> 
! >> >> 
! >> >> >-- 
! >> >> >		God grant me the serenity to accept
! >> >> >		the things I cannot change,
! >> >> >		the courage to change the things I can,
! >> >> >		and the wisdom to know the difference
! >> >> 
! >> >> 
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! >> >> 
! >> >> This is either because: 
! >> >> 
! >> >> 	1. You have filtered your mail through an anonymous 
! >> >> 	   remailer, or 
! >> >> 
! >> >> 	2. Your userid is on our list of undesirable correspondents, 
! >> >>            and your email is automatically redirected to your
! >> >> 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! >> >> 
! >> >>  	3. Someone using your server has been persistently
! >> >>            abusive, and your system administrators are
! >> >> 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! >> >> 
! >> >> 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
! >> >>            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
! >> >>            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
! >> >>            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
! >> >>            been rejected without reason.
! >> >> 
! >> >> Our users monitor the newsgroup alt.revisionism on a daily basis;  if 
! >> >> you have an important issue which you would like to discuss with one
! >> >> of them, please post it there.
! >> >> 
! >> >>                         The Nizkor Gatekeeper
! >> >> =====================================================================
! >> >> 
! >> >> 
! >> >> 
! >> 
! >> 
! >> >-- 
! >> >		God grant me the serenity to accept
! >> >		the things I cannot change,
! >> >		the courage to change the things I can,
! >> >		and the wisdom to know the difference
! >> 
! >> 
! >> 
! >> =====================================================================
! >> Your mail has been returned to you, unread.
! >> 
! >> This is either because: 
! >> 
! >> 	1. You have filtered your mail through an anonymous 
! >> 	   remailer, or 
! >> 
! >> 	2. Your userid is on our list of undesirable correspondents, 
! >>            and your email is automatically redirected to your
! >> 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! >> 
! >>  	3. Someone using your server has been persistently
! >>            abusive, and your system administrators are
! >> 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! >> 
! >> 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
! >>            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
! >>            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
! >>            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
! >>            been rejected without reason.
! >> 
! >> Our users monitor the newsgroup alt.revisionism on a daily basis;  if 
! >> you have an important issue which you would like to discuss with one
! >> of them, please post it there.
! >> 
! >>                         The Nizkor Gatekeeper
! >> =====================================================================
! >> 
! >> 
! >> 
! 
! 
! >-- 
! >		God grant me the serenity to accept
! >		the things I cannot change,
! >		the courage to change the things I can,
! >		and the wisdom to know the difference
! 
! 
! 
! =====================================================================
! Your mail has been returned to you, unread.
! 
! This is either because: 
! 
! 	1. You have filtered your mail through an anonymous 
! 	   remailer, or 
! 
! 	2. Your userid is on our list of undesirable correspondents, 
!            and your email is automatically redirected to your
! 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! 
!  	3. Someone using your server has been persistently
!            abusive, and your system administrators are
! 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! 
! 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
!            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
!            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
!            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
!            been rejected without reason.
! 
! Our users monitor the newsgroup alt.revisionism on a daily basis;  if 
! you have an important issue which you would like to discuss with one
! of them, please post it there.
! 
!                         The Nizkor Gatekeeper
! =====================================================================

What a jerk.  Nizkor might as well post anonymously.





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		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 17 21:07:04 PDT 1996
Article: 1138 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Anti-racists
Message-ID: 
Organization: UN
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In  kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! >In <4n8gi9$4h3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
! 
! >! In article <31969609.4590@scott.net>, 
! >! evil Beavis  wrote:
! >! 
! >! >Steve From New Jersey wrote:
! >!  
! >! >> We whites must stick together to stand up for the truths of this world!
! >! >> Never again must we allow the Jew's lies to effect us so deeply!
! >! >> We have been blinded by conscience and religion, but we must rid ourselves
! >! >> of both!
! >! 
! >! >Better yet, we whites must rid ourselves of degenerate and incompetent 
! >! >losers like you. You embarrass us!!
! >! 
! >! No kidding... I was watching "Blood in the Face" the other
! >! night, and this Aryan Nations fruitcake was showing off his
! 
! 
! 
! =====================================================================
! Your mail has been returned to you, unread.
! 
! This is either because: 
! 
! 	1. You have filtered your mail through an anonymous 
! 	   remailer, or 
! 
! 	2. Your userid is on our list of undesirable correspondents, 
!            and your email is automatically redirected to your
! 	   mailbox by our gatekeeper. 
! 
!  	3. Someone using your server has been persistently
!            abusive, and your system administrators are
! 	   unwilling to do anything about it.
! 
! 	4. We've let an error in our Gatekeeper's control file
!            slip through, and you've been unfairly rejected. We
!            check our logs carefully, and do our utmost to 
!            correct such errors, and we apologize if you have
!            been rejected without reason.
! 
! Our users monitor the newsgroup alt.revisionism on a daily basis;  if 
! you have an important issue which you would like to discuss with one
! of them, please post it there.
! 
!                         The Nizkor Gatekeeper
! =====================================================================

What a jerk.  Nizkor might as well post anonymously.



-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 17 21:07:05 PDT 1996
Article: 1144 of alt.fan.ernst-zundel
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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Ignorant Anti-racists
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In <4n8gi9$4h3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:

! In article <31969609.4590@scott.net>, 
! evil Beavis  wrote:
! 
! >Steve From New Jersey wrote:
!  
! >> We whites must stick together to stand up for the truths of this world!
! >> Never again must we allow the Jew's lies to effect us so deeply!
! >> We have been blinded by conscience and religion, but we must rid ourselves
! >> of both!
! 
! >Better yet, we whites must rid ourselves of degenerate and incompetent 
! >losers like you. You embarrass us!!
! 
! No kidding... I was watching "Blood in the Face" the other
! night, and this Aryan Nations fruitcake was showing off his
-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 17 21:17:05 PDT 1996
Article: 74815 of soc.culture.german
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Racists' Press Victory in Germany
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Organization: UN
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:10:23 GMT
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	In a ruling condemned by opponents as
a defeat for human rights, Germany's highest
court tuesday upheld regulations designed
to restrict the number of immigrant refugees.
	One of the regulations bars entry to
asylam-seekers who travel through other
countries that are considered safe for
refugees before arriving in Germany.  Because
all of Germany's neighbors are considered
safe, the rule effectively insulates Germany
>from  political refugees traveling by land.
	Another regulation defines "safe
countries of origin" from which no refugees
will be accepted, and the third permits the
authorities to turn away refugees who arrive
by air.

[...]

	[Unfortunately Germany's migration
laws have giant loopholes.  Jews always
have instant citizenship for the asking;
Germany's membership in the EU means that
ALL europeans are effectively natives to
Germany despite the weakness of the EU's
weak laws on migration as well as it's
member countries; Germany refuses to
define citizenship by race as just like
ALL european countries fail to do.
	[But this development is good
for racism, that progress is being made
in human relations, that all european
countries should have the civility to
emulate.  Racists' continue to struggle
to raise the value of citizenship; The
time will come when German, British,
Australian, Canadian, French, Spanish,
Portuguese, Dutch, Slovokian, Polish,
Latvian, etc. citizenship cannot be
purchased at any price, but motherhood,
the fatherland, but race itself.]




-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 00:04:35 PDT 1996
Article: 29000 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Re: COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS POSTING & E-MAIL
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In <4n7d08$14a@newsbf02.news.aol.com> shhhnet@aol.com (ShhhNet) writes:

! COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS POSTING & E-MAIL
! >Send and receive E-Mail and Post to newsgroups with TOTAL anonymity  
! >
! >As you must know the government is getting ready to crack down on freedom
! >of speech on the internet.  Already people are being fined and
! imprisoned.
! > Your service providers are being asked to turn over records and they are
! >cooperating.  Even if they don't want to cooperate the can be forced by
! >the courts to release records to the authorities.
! >Our New Service let's you send and receive E-Mail and post to newsgroups
! >with no fear of your messages ever being traced to you.  Not even a
! >Federal Court Order will result in your identity being revealed.  Finally
! >total safety for your most confidential or controversial electronic
! >messages.
! >
! >ShhhNET Will begin operating in late June and you can be a part of the
! >only truly secure way to send and receive E-Mail or post to UseNet
! >Newsgroups.  For a limited time ShhhNet will be offered for only $50.00
! >per Year.  If you are interested, Please send E-Mail to ShhhNet@AOL.Com 
! >We will respond with information about how our service works and how you
! >can be totally secure in your Internet transactions. 

This is obviously a total rip-off.  Get an anonymous
account or read alt.privacy.anon-server and alt.security.pgp
to learn how get REAL privacy FREE!





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		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 00:04:36 PDT 1996
Article: 29001 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
Subject: Re: Kevin's honey (was: Water, water everywhere!)
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In <4nbcvs$a7l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

! Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:
! > In article <4n9kmp$m7p@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
! > Les Griswold  wrote:
! > 
! >>> 	My fiancee says "Don't call me a mulatto, call me a fair-skinned 
! >>> Black."  
! >>
! >>Your fiancee could demand that we call her the Blue Bird of Paradise, but
! >>that wouldn't change what she is.
! > 
! > 	If you mean by "Mulatto" a Black person with some non-Black 
! > ancestry, then you're correct. 
! 
! Give that man a CEE-GAR!  Yes, that's EXACTLY what I mean.
! 
! > The word has fallen out of favor, though; the current politically correct
! > term is "biracial" or "multiracial."  
! 
! (snicker)  Ask Laura Finsten what I think of "Political Correctness".
!  
! (snip)
! 
! >>Well, why don't you read the National Alliance web page?  Or the
! >>membership handbook?  Or even "What is the National Alliance?".  All three
! >>have pretty decent explanations of what constitues "White".
! > 
! > 	Don't have web access yet (still working with a tired ol' unix 
! > shell account...).  If you have an FTP address where I can pick up NA 
! > materials, I'd be happy to check them out.

Kevin Filan is bullshiting here.  Unix shell is the FASTEST type
of account and IDEAL for accessing web sites like natvan and nizkor.

! I can access the web page for you, but essentially, what it says is,
! anyone of wholly white European ancestry.  It makes specific mention of
! jews, why I don't know.  Anyway, it states unequivocally that jews are NOT
! white.
! 
! Les
! 
! 



-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 07:32:30 PDT 1996
Article: 38712 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Christ DID masturbate
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In <31963458.38CD@one.net> Will  writes:

! Please remove this spunk from alt.magick
! The topic is unrelated and only serves to
! clutter the newsgroup.

Magick is explicitly anti-christian and
therefore christianity belongs on this group.

Are you afraid your beliefs cannot withstand christ?




-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 07:32:33 PDT 1996
Article: 38713 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Christ DID masturbate
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In <4na1lb$sm5@canton.charm.net> horse@charm.net (Horse) writes:

! For the love of god..or whomever stop posting this religious mumbo jumbo 
                                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

                                                   Proof you need it!


! on alt.skinheads...

Am I to presume that you have NOT been attending services?

! -- 
! *Cheers*
! Horse
! BSSC
! D.C. United...1 and 6! There's no stopping us now!
! "I'm one tough gazookus,
!  which hates all palookas,
!  wot ain't on the up and square,
!  I biffs 'em and buffs 'em,
!  an' always outroughs 'em,
!  an' none of 'em gits nowhere!"
! 
-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 07:32:34 PDT 1996
Article: 38715 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Yahoo! and The Jooooooooooooooish ConSPIRACY
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In <4nanb8$ob3@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) writes:

! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
! 
! In article <4n9pv0$9p1@news.ios.com>, Tammy Chung 
!  writes:
! 
!  [Nothing. The post was a forgery. There is no such address.]

Take note that the "From: rich@c2.org (Rich Graves)" in the Header,
is a FORGERY that he has posted THOUSANDS of times, should he
be reported to postmaster@stanford.edu,postmaster@c2.org or do
the admins here consider "Rich Graves" and "Tammy Chungs" 
posts/emails to be acceptable net-abuse?

! >>In article <4mnm6s$ee@news.ios.com>, Ron  wrote:
! 
!  [Nothing. the post was a forgery. There is no such address.]

Take note that the "From: rich@c2.org (Rich Graves)" in the Header,
is a FORGERY that he has posted THOUSANDS of times, should he
be reported to postmaster@stanford.edu,postmaster@c2.org or do
the admins here consider "Rich Graves" and "Tammy Chungs" 
posts/emails to be acceptable net-abuse?

! I guess "Reverend Ron" is so lonely that he needs to configure his
! imaginary friends into Netscape. There was also "Debbie" and a few
! others when he tried to flood alt.fan.ernst-zundel.

Take note that the "From: rich@c2.org (Rich Graves)" in the Header,
is a FORGERY that he has posted THOUSANDS of times, should he
be reported to postmaster@stanford.edu,postmaster@c2.org or do
the admins here consider "Rich Graves" and "Tammy Chungs" 
posts/emails to be acceptable net-abuse?

! I guess "Reverend Ron" is so lonely that he needs to configure his
! imaginary friends into Netscape. There was also "Debbie" and a few
! others when he tried to flood alt.fan.ernst-zundel.

Flood?  A handful of posts?  What about your "Zundelgram"
RACIST NEO-NAZI shit?  Isn't that a hell of a lot more
offensive than Ron's attempts to UNDERSTAND your twisted views?

! You know, "Ron," at any time, you could be kicked off your ISP for
! blatant net abuse. But because vermin like you are such an endangered
! species in this mostly civilized age, I'm protecting you. I just don't
! expect anyone to take you seriously.

Yet you take him quite seriously, fakir.
Your just envious because Ron has turned you over
on EVERY philosophical|spiritual discussion, so you post this
to *.net-abuse.* pretending to be do-gooder.  For Shame.



-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 07:32:35 PDT 1996
Article: 38716 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Celebrate The World Citizen
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In <4nbqdq$ean@vulcan.netdepot.com> spockto@netdepot.com (Spock To) writes:

! as common cultural groups go...
! Asians are the most Intelligent with Japanese and Koreans being near
! the top of that spectrum and chinese near the bottom.

Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Jews, Eskimos, Chicanos, Native Americans
are all the same race, Mongoloid.

! Caucasians and European races are next with Jews being near the top of
! the list.

Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Jews, Eskimos, Chicanos, Native Americans
are all the same race, Mongoloid.
Caucasians, Hispanics and Slavs are all the same race, White.

! Hispanics and most third world peoples are next and Negroes are last.

Caucasians, Hispanics and Slavs are all the same race, White.
Third World peoples are afro-asian.

! I have purposely left out American Indians, Slovic people, Eskimoes

Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Jews, Eskimos, Chicanos, Native Americans
are all the same race, Mongoloid.
Caucasians, Hispanics and Slavs are all the same race, White.

! and a few other major races about whom I have not enough Info.
! These are facts, if you don't think you fit the profile, you may be
! right, but the rest of your race does

You hold BOGUS beliefs.
Learn from the racial scientists.



-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 07:32:36 PDT 1996
Article: 38717 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: GAS THE COOKS
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In <4mr6cg$o8e@guyana.it.earthlink.net> rx@earthlink.net (Mako) writes:

! Reynolds Jones  wrote:
! 
! >zoner@autobaun.com wrote:
! >> 
! 
! A religious debate..... with No "J"/Pro "J" sides?
! 
! Wonder if  they can solve  Petrocelli's Dilemma?
! 
! >> Whatever, you can keep babbling all you want, I am not listening to you.
! 
! >Another words, you can't respond intelligently enough to convince 
! >yourself, say much less anyone else.
! 
! >> You claim to be a Christian???
! >> On what basis do you do that?!?!?  What do you know of Jesus, except what is
! >> written in the Bible, that you claim is full of contradictions?  What do you
! >> base your beliefs on???

So what if Jesus wrote the bible;

He DID masturbate;

And a Lot better than that;

He bred with the lusty
Israeli chicks;

making a BIG crop
of tall blond aryan
Christians of 
LeaderShip Quality;

To rule the new nations
of Europe.


No contradictions at all

So cut this out already, athiest putz.





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		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 07:32:38 PDT 1996
Article: 38721 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Ignorant Anti-racists
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In  rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) writes:

! Looks like Skippy doesn't like being on everyone's twit list. Could
! someone provide a pointer to a good procmail FAQ?

And what happens when I put their address in my procmail?



-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 07:32:39 PDT 1996
Article: 38722 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: ERNST ZUNDEL IN NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
Message-ID: 
Organization: UN
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In <319CCDE4.41C6@rio.com> Chuck Ferree  writes:

! Chuck Ferree wrote:
! 
! Who is William Grosvenor? What are his credentials? Why would he take 
! the side of a guy like Zundel, who is a well known Holocaust Denier, 
! so-called revisionist, and puts out a propaganda "Zundelgram" every 
! day, which is filled with lies, bullshit and stuff designed to make 
! the German people feel better about the Holocaust. Let me say, that I 
! have many friends in Germany, many of whom I met in 1945, while 
! stationed in various parts of the country. I keep in touch with them, 
! have been back to visit them, they have thrown big parties for me and 
! my wife. They won't let me spend any money, in other words these 
! Germans love me, and have since 1945, even though we kicked many 
! families out of their homes and we lived in their homes. They still 
! think we are wonderful and remember how we took care of them when they 
! were hungry and cold. So Other than the Nazis and the SS, I have no 
! quarrel with the German people. 

Once again you express your limitations of political thought to
strictly the personal level.  Carefree of nation, race, community.

! What Zundel does is anti-Semitic, he hates Jews, he blames Jews for 
! World War Two, he thinks the Allies treated Germany very badly, after 

And you imply these thoughts are bad?
Is that why you want him imprisoned?
Is it the mere thought, or the verbalisation of the thought you consider an
inherent felony?

! we won the war they started under A. Hitler and his cronies, some of 
! who were hanged for war crimes, but not nearly enough. Too many Nazis, 

Which intellectuals do you want to liquidate?

! & SS escaped to So. America where many still live very good, from loot 
! they stole from Jews on the way to their deaths. 
! 
! Zundel is a freak, probably a closet Nazi, and faces deportation from 
! Canada back to Germany, where he will be tried and put in prison.
! So don't tell me about Zundel. He's a fruitcake from the word go!

Thou art a NAZI, Thou must die?

Add:

! Chuck Ferree

to the list of potential mass murderers posting on netnews.

! William Grosvenor trolls:
! > 
! > Media across Canada today proudly announced that well known Toronto
! > businessman, Ernst Zundel is being featured in National geographic
! > Magazine.
! > 
! > His views on the increase in crime in Toronto,Canada included his
! > commentary regarding the increase in crime attributable to black
! > criminals.
! > 
! > Ernst Zundel is well known for his historical research into the accuracy
! > of alleged death counts in World war 2.
! > 
! > He is a strong proponent of complete freedom of speech, and has been
! > persecuted for some of his views with which a powerful minority disagree,
! > since it doesn't agree with their version of what is truth.

Issue issued, issue issues, issue ensues?





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From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 07:32:40 PDT 1996
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In  qut@netcom.com (Be Good) writes:

! In <4n8gi9$4h3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) writes:
! 
! ! In article <31969609.4590@scott.net>, 
! ! evil Beavis  wrote:
! ! 
! ! >Steve From New Jersey wrote:
! !  
! ! >> We whites must stick together to stand up for the truths of this world!
! ! >> Never again must we allow the Jew's lies to effect us so deeply!
! ! >> We have been blinded by conscience and religion, but we must rid ourselves
! ! >> of both!
! ! 
! ! >Better yet, we whites must rid ourselves of degenerate and incompetent 
! ! >losers like you. You embarrass us!!
! ! 
! ! No kidding... I was watching "Blood in the Face" the other
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Once again, Kenneth McVay uses anti-racist propaganda to
claim a scholastic ability to rebut racists.


! ! night, and this Aryan Nations fruitcake was showing off his
                                  ^^^^^^^^^

Are you denying that racism is legitimate politics?




From qut@netcom.com Thu May 23 07:54:21 PDT 1996
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Currents?  The Jewish Magazine?
Do you really think this was an accurate article?
Did you learn something concrete from it?
The people, the places?



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		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 24 07:18:26 PDT 1996
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In <4nfs5e$9hh@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) trolls:

! qut@netcom.com (Be Good) writes:
! >In <4n8gi9$4h3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca> kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken
! >McVay OBC) writes: 
! 
! No he didn't. Now Skippy is forging references. What a loser.

Liar.  I forged nothing.

! -rich



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From qut@netcom.com Fri May 24 07:18:26 PDT 1996
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In <4mqbkr$6mh@mercury.dur.ac.uk> D A Ellams  writes:

! : "Love," however one defines it, cannot be the explanation for these
! : females allowing themselves to be overcome by such males.  What is the
! : basis for love of others, but most fundamentally love of oneself?  Why
! : would one who loves oneself, choose to mate (and breed) with one who is so
! : radically different from oneself?  Is this reasonable?  Is this SANE?
! : Is not the biological basis for reproduction to reproduce ONESELF?
! 
! No, the biological basis for reproduction is the continuation of the
! species (homo sapiens). Mating with others different to oneself increases
! the diversity of the species, and increases the chances of the species
! surviving epidemic diseases and other potential threats such as climate
! change.  This is not "devolution", this is EVOLUTION. 

Well, it depends on the race.  The sexual distinctions of
aryans is sharper than afro-asians.  This is our 
race of beauty.  Iterracial breeding destroys genetic
diversity, disease being only one of the defects.

Evolution is finding the BEST genetic specimen to mate
with.  Regressive anti-racists suffer inferiority.



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From qut@netcom.com Fri May 24 07:18:27 PDT 1996
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In <31962E47.1F49@ix.netcom.com> "Laszlo Z. Weress"  writes:

! Mike Ferguson wrote:
! > 
! > Ron  wrote:
! > >
! > > Jesus was not a Jew(Khaza). He was pure ans you sir a filth. This is
! > >anothe example of you Talmud teachings. Christ was not a Rabbi. In John
! > >ch 8:41-45 he makes clear you Jews are of Satan and that he rejects your
! > >sick teachings.
! > >
! > Actually, Jesus didn't have much to say to the Jews.  He said "give up
! > your wealth".  He also said "no longer eye for eye".  That is all.  The
! > problem was that the Jews did not believe what he said because the
! > Old testament said nothing would change.
! > 
! > Jewish people are the most religious and the best people in the world.
! > I'm not Jewish, but I would be proud to be.  Their families are loving,
! > their communities strong.

And what inbred cult do you belong to?

! > Who the hell are you?  How could Jesus reject the Old Testament, freak?

You mean you actually believe that biblical Israel is somehow related to Jews?

! > Mike Ferguson, mocking the Nazi.
! > 
! > Answers to some questions, anyone?
! > http://www.connect.ab.ca/~bigmanm/okey.htm
! 
! Delete alt.religion.unification from the thread.

Is your spiritual beliefs so weak that you cannot listen to others?
Why not just give up your oriental religion, and listen to us.

! -- 
! Laszlo Z. Weress
! _______________________
! Family Federation http://web.idirect.com/~family
! Weress Family http://web.idirect.com/~family/weress.html
! "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you
! damn well please, and with it, there is only one basic human 
! responsibility, the responsibility to accept the damned consequences."

Decadence       Irresponsibility        Selfishness:

! "-- P.J. O'Rourke



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In <4nhgq0$8q7@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

! Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
! > In article <4ndsb9$6qs@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
! >            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
! > 
! >> Jeff Frane (jfrane@teleport.com) writes:
! >> 
! >> (snip)
! >> 
! >> > You know, Les, that according to the breakdown of the human race into
! >> > Caucasian, Mongoloid and Negroid -- which you seem to subscribe to
! >> > wholeheartedly -- all those darkies from India are actually Caucasian.
! >> > That is to say: white.
! >> 
! >> Wrong.  As has been stated time and time again, there USED to be Aryans in
! >> India, but they miscegenated with the Dravidians.  However, I'm not
! >> surprised that we have to re-invent the wheel each and every time another
! >> liberal pokes his snout here.
! > 
! > OK then, are Dravidians (before they "miscegenated" with "Aryans")
! > Caucasian, Mongoloid or Negroid?

An entirely mixed caste can be proven to be of the percentages of the
components, and of the pure races, in the same sense that OJ Simpson
can be determined to be of the pure races and the exact bastardy.

! I believe they were (and still are) Negroid, butt-hole. 

The present "Indians" appear to be both Negroid and Mongoloid, with the 
Mongoloid element predominating throughout today's non-aryan India.



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From qut@netcom.com Fri May 24 07:18:29 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: PROOF that race does not exist
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In  lsinger@netcom.com (Lane Singer) writes:

! KarenX (KarenX@out.org) wrote:
! : joelr@winternet.com,Internet writes:
! : >Gabby, I don't think it's worth our while to argue with white people.
! 
! : >>Ah.
! 
! : Ah what?  You are the embodiment of the kind of white person the original
! : poster was referring to...it is clearly a waste of time to argue with
! : you...and Whistler...and Potato...and B.V....and Wren...and Gregg...on and
! : on...ad nauseum.    Kx
! 
! hmm. it might be said that to even post to the internet is 'a
! waste of time.' 
! 
! as long as people are spreading foulness, it is the duty of all
! rational persons to counter it, as long as they have the stomach
! for it. there is the valid argument that it doesn't dignify a
! response because it's idiotic, or that responding merely perpetuates
! the problem. 
! 
! one thing, though, i know for sure. it is completely up to 
! white people to take on white bigots. allowing bigotry to go
! unchallenged is never a viable option.

Remember Lsinger's hilarious PROOF that race doesn't exist?

It goes something like this:

Since there is more of a genetic difference between individuals
of the same blood group,
Than the difference between members of different blood groups
averaged as a whole,
Therefore bloodgroups do not exist.

Typically virulent anti-racist illogic;
But anti-racism is swallowed as an AXIOM of our afro-asian culture.



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From qut@netcom.com Fri May 24 07:18:30 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Anatomy Detects Racial Persentages
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! Dave,
! 
! Did I mention that I'm reading a book by Peter Gay, "Freud, Jews and 
! Other Germans?  It trys to answer the whys, of German atrocities during 
! WWII, by going back into the earlier histories of the Wilhelminium, and 
! later years that leading up to it.  It really handles it in, I think, an 
! open light.  It talks about the need for Jews to feel German, because 
! after all they were raised on her soil.  Then of course it also talks 
! about propaganda, etc.

Friend, I don't want to mislead you, I AM a racist,
and oppose the idea proposed by that book on racial grounds.

I origionally reposted the article to help inform 
BOTH sides of the debate, I HATE political privacy.

! You see, I'm not a Jew (well, there is some speculation, maybe - I'm 
! three quarters German), but I feel compelled to help people see the 
! absurdity in stereotyped prejudices.

You could be, but probably not.  Many whites feel
guilty if they don't consider themselves to have 
some colored blood.

It's quite common today for families to claim some
small, supposedly invisible, percentage of afro-asian blood.

A sibling is half-Jewish, so a family legend I have
is that a distant relative mated with a Japanese!

As well, anatomy catagorises the racial mixes of
the humanimal.






From qut@netcom.com Fri May 24 09:20:48 PDT 1996
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In <4nja17$88q@news1.panix.com> fresh@panix.com (Andrew Mathis) writes:

! The thing that REALLY ticks me off about this is that me and Ken McVay
! got interviewed for this segment, AND WE GOT CUT!!!!!

And why would they be interested in a coupla clowns who do 
nothing but diddling heckles displaying their ignorance?

! The system is clearly against us longhairs.  Nazis get the ratings
! apparently.
! 
! Howdy, Ken, if you're reading.
! 
! adruid@netdoor.com (dannie hawkins) wrote:
! 
! 
! >An interview, followed by an internet debate, with WAR's Tom Metzger was
! >scheduled to be aired on Public Tv's _Lehrer News Hour_ this week. Like a
! >real dummie, I forgot to post it, but there's still one day left, if it
! >hasn't already aired. I don't have cable, so  many times, as it has been
! >lately,  interference is too great for reception. 
! >--
! >WAR                      [$3 per or $30yr u.s.]           (metzger@cts.com)
! >POB 65                   [$40 CA & $50 foreign]           (FAX 619-728-9817)
! >FALLBROOK,CA 92088
! >RACIAL NEWS + Q&A.619-723-8996 approx 15min. updated Sun.5pm PT
! >http://www.free.cts.com/crash/m/metzger  [WAR articles etc]
! >DIAL-A-RACIST 900-336-2020 ext 573 [$2min.max 4min]
! 
! -------------------------------------
! "If they give you ruled paper,
! Write the other way."
!                --Juan Ramon Jimenez
! 
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		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Fri May 24 09:20:49 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Where is "The Turner Diearies" on the net?? Help!
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In <094306Z17051996@anon.penet.fi> an397544@anon.penet.fi (Dacta) writes:

! Where can I find Pierce's "The Turner Diaries" on the net?
! I'm looking for a Web site, or an FTP site, or anything
! with the full text of this little book.

Nope.  You'll have to order snail mail.  Much easier on the eyes.



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From qut@netcom.com Fri May 24 11:20:07 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: #Elie Wiesel Says Hate Still Prowls !
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In <319178ec.33798594@news.srv.ualberta.ca> jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (John Morris) writes:

! On Wed, 08 May 1996 14:16:01 GMT, tm@pacificnet.net (tom moran) wrote:
! 
! >
! >	Elie Wiesel, speaking at the Steven Wise Center in L.A. about
! >eight years ago;
! >	"I can't say anything bad about another Jew."
! 
! A far more interesting exercise would be if Tom Moran could say
! anything at all good about any Jew or about Jews in general.

Hitler, Goerring, Rosenberg, Goebbles, Streicher, and Heydrich.
Who, of course, are Jewish according to some Holocaust
propagandists.

! Think of this as a challenge, Mr. Moran. I'll bet you can't do it. And
! if you can't do it, it will be prima facie proof that you are
! Jew-obsessed and a Jew-hater.

Hitler, Goerring, Rosenberg, Goebbles, Streicher, and Heydrich.
Who, of course, are Jewish according to some Holocaust
propagandists.




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		and the wisdom to know the difference


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From: qut@netcom.com (Be Good)
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Christ masturbated
constantly.

He also nailed 
the young
christian hicks.

So He couldn't
be a Mormon.

So there.




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		God grant me the serenity to accept
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		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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Christ masturbated
constantly.

He also nailed 
the young
christian hicks.

So He couldn't
be a Mormon.

So there.




-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Sat May 25 01:46:24 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
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In <4nfc15$1ror@msunews.cl.msu.edu> John Stone <20676jrs@msu.edu> writes:

! I was called a "honkey" by a group of black kids a few months
! ago.  I was mad but just shrugged it off and felt kind of
! sorry for those kids since they are showing prejudice at such
! a young age.  I could have pressed charges against them under
! Michigan's "Ethnic intimidation law" but just decided to let
! it go.  John S.   

I can't count the number of times Blacks have expressed
racial hatred at me.  A lone three year old girl calls 
me honkey and gives me the finger?  What's scary are
the large groups of colored people and you can smell
the VIOLENT anti-racist feeling a brewing.


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From qut@netcom.com Sat May 25 08:15:46 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Mcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca harasses Milton Kleim (Round 24)
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You've been asked and asked again:

What about the funds donated to Nizkor:

It's origins and disposition.



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		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Sat May 25 08:27:59 PDT 1996
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: Kleim lies again (was: Racists resist racist group)
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In  jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) writes:

! In article , qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman) wrote
! (regarding Ken McVay's answers to questions regarding Nizkor's finances):
! 
! >[The most important question remains unanswered]
! 
! Harman does not specify _which_ question "remains unanswered", so it is
! impossible to judge the accuracy of his statement. The use of this tactic
! by yet another racist surprises no one.
! 
! [The quoted material below preceded by >! is mine...(JGB)]
! 
! >! In a similar vein, Kleim has yet to explain just _how_ the source of
! >! funding for Nizkor has any bearing on the veracity of the information in
! >! the Nizkor archives. 
! >
! >[anti-racists find it CARDINAL to investigate funding of racists]
! 
! Harman makes an assertion, but provides no supporting evidence. The use of
! this tactic by yet another racist surprises no one.

References should not be necessary in this instance!  Funding
of racists is continually brought up by anti-racists on usenet,
and not just rhetorically.  For print check out S.P.L.C.
magazines for obsession on racists' finances.

! >! Just to remind the casual reader about Kleim: Like many racists, lies are
! >! an important part of his modus operandi. Kleim himself has said:
! >! 
! >!   > I have not lied about my beliefs, my research, or anything else of
! >!   > importance.  But I _will_ use harmless deception (an acceptable
! >!   > tactic sanctioned by every sane political thinker since Plato) if it
! >!   > is to tactical advantage.
! >! 
! >! In short, Kleim will lie when it suits his purpose.
! >
! >[Lying about funding is NOT harmless.  Mr Kleim is simply
! >questioning Mcvay in the same style as anti-racists.]
! 
! Who, exactly, is Harman referring to when he says that "lying about
! funding is NOT harmless"? If he is referring to Ken McVay, the only person

Obviously, I mean that Mr Kleim brought up legitimate concerns.

! funding is NOT harmless"? If he is referring to Ken McVay, the only person
! in this debate to provide information about his funding, then Harman will
! need to supply evidence that Mr. McVay has, in fact, lied. 
! 
! Would anyone care to lay a wager that such evidence will, in fact, be
! forthcoming from Harman? It's not a bet I would take.
! 
! Let us recap: Kleim asserts that Ken McVay has not answered questions
! about Nizkor's funding, despite that fact that Mr. McVay posted answers to
! those questions _one day_ after the questions first appeared on Usenet.

Ken McVay did NOT answer the most important question about
"the funds donated to Nizkor."  He simply said it is slated
to go to an anti-racist organisation to be set up.

In United States law at least, employees of registered
non-profit associations can LEGALly draw over $100,000 a
year(IMO, this is wrong.)

! Kleim is _not_ "simply questioning Mcvay in the same style as
! anti-racists." Kleim is _lying_, as he has said he would.

Mr McVay is being evasive, Mr Kleim is NOT lying, and 
never said he would.  He is not being paid for his 
politics and has no reason to lie.  Whether McVay
is doing so, depends on the trustworthyness of his
OTHER answers.




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		the things I cannot change,
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Christ masturbated
constantly.

He also nailed 
the young
christian hicks.

So He couldn't
be a Mormon.

So there.




-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


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Christ masturbated
constantly.

He also nailed 
the young
christian hicks.

So He couldn't
be a Mormon.

So there.




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		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Sat May 25 09:31:23 PDT 1996
Article: 39181 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: 960505: Jamie's response acked; Toronto conference on postwar occupation
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In <4mua5n$9r3@panix2.panix.com> rakshasa@panix.com (Kevin Filan) writes:

! In article <4mjdm0$7sr@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
! Ehrlich606  wrote:
! 
! >It is evident that the respondent has been appropriately programmed to
! >consider the activities of the Western Allies as being morally scrupulous
! >and imbued with justice and democracy.  He makes no mention of the forced
! >expulsion of several millions of Germans after WW2, whose ethnic cleansing
! >from Eastern Europe was no less severe than the "cleansing" of Jews,
! >except that there was not a planned homicidal agenda.  These expulsions
! >were carried out with extreme violence and brutality, did nothing to stop
! >them.  Indeed, such was the "moral scruples" of the Allies that many more
! >Germans would have perished after the end of World War 2, were it not for
! >the efforts of the English Jew, Victor Gollancz.
! 
! 	I would be interested in hearing more about the reconstruction of 
! Europe and the beginning of the Cold War.  Could you cite some good books 
! on the subject?  (I've been really slack on my reading lately and need to 
! catch up).  Given a look at current history in Eastern Europe, I think it 
! likely there _were_ individual atrocities committed against German 
! civilians.  

Basque.  Check the Nizkor ftp site.
And, it was mass killings.
Genocide.
15 million Germans murdered.
Documented with statistics.
1945-1950.
AFTER peace was declared.

! 	On the other hand, I don't think the Marshall Plan can be 
! compared with the "Final Solution."  I don't think that any of the Allied 
! generals were saying "If 10,000 German women must die so that a ditch is 
! dug, what do we care?"  I haven't heard that ethnic Germans in Gdansk 
! were gassed or murdered en masse in the refugee camps.  If you have 
! evidence to the contrary, please present it.  

Basque.  Check the Nizkor ftp site.
And, it was mass killings.
Genocide.
15 million Germans murdered.
Documented with statistics.
1945-1950.
AFTER peace was declared.

! >It is also clear that the respondents moral barometer is keyed only to
! >atmospheric changes in the European peninsula.  He remains blind to the
! >many, many instances of colonial brutality, racism, mass murder and lack
! >of moral scruples demonstrated again and again in the 19th and 20th
! >Centuries by the English, the French, the Russians -- and yes, the
! >Americans.

Basque.  Check the Nizkor ftp site.
And, it was mass killings.
Genocide.
15 million Germans murdered.
Documented with statistics.
1945-1950.
AFTER peace was declared.

! 	Nobody here is trying to deny the instances of colonial 
! brutality, racism, mass murder or lack of moral scruples demonstrated by 
! the English, French, Russians, or Americans.  No one here is minimizing 
! My Lai, Tianamen Square, the Rwanda/Burundi atrocities, or the bombing of 
! the Rainbow Warrior.  Some people, on the other hand, _are_ trying to 
! minimize the atrocities committed by the Nazis.  Why do you suppose that is?

Basque.  Check the Nizkor ftp site.
And, it was mass killings.
Genocide.
15 million Germans murdered.
Documented with statistics.
1945-1950.
AFTER peace was declared.

! >There are those who fancy that Nazism grew peculiarly out of the German
! >tradition, and that no one else could have ever achieved it.  Get Real! 
! 
! 	I'd both agree and disagree with you here.  On one hand, I _do_ 
! believe Nazism grew out of the German tradition, and that many of the 
! particulars were essentially Germanic.  On the other hand, I don't think 
! the Germans have a monopoly on supporting organized racist violence.  

Basque.  Check the Nizkor ftp site.
And, it was mass killings.
Genocide.
15 million Germans murdered.
Documented with statistics.
1945-1950.
AFTER peace was declared.

! >The roots of National Socialism lay in attitudes common to all Europeans,
! >and, indeed, in attitudes still prevalent among many in Western
! >Civilization.  The difference between freedom and justice and the Nazis? 
! >It is the difference of whether or not you choose to recognize yourself in
! >the mirror.
! 
! 	If you mean "an organization comparable to the Nazis could come 
! to power almost anywhere, including the United States," I would agree 
! with you.  If you want to say, "There was no moral difference between 
! Adolf Hitler and Dwight D. Eisenhower," I'm going to be very curious 
! about your views on ethical philosophy.

Basque.  Check the Nizkor ftp site.
And, it was mass killings.
Genocide.
15 million Germans murdered.
Documented with statistics.
1945-1950.
AFTER peace was declared.

! 
! Peace
! Kevin Filan
! -- 
! Kevin Filan	Home Page: http://www.necronomi.com/u/kfilan/home.html
! ______________________________________________________________________
! 
! Satan Wants YOU .... to browse http://www.necronomi.com/p/bbs/home.html 

Basque.  Check the Nizkor ftp site.
And, it was mass killings.
Genocide.
15 million Germans murdered.
Documented with statistics.
1945-1950.
AFTER peace was declared.






-- 
		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference


From qut@netcom.com Sun May 26 12:23:54 PDT 1996
Article: 39194 of alt.revisionism
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From: qut@netcom.com (Dave Harman)
Subject: Re: ERNST ZUNDEL IN NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
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In <4nj3j4$i2i@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) writes:

! patrickc@Direct.CA (Cthulhu) writes:
! >In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) wrote:
! >
! >>William Grosvenor  writes:
! >
! >>Ernst Zundel is well-known for being a maniacal Nazi, who
! >>also believes that the Nazi leadership built "secret UFO's",
! >>and flew them to a "secret base in the South-Pole", when
! >>WW2 ended. He even planned an expedition to locate this
! >>elusive base, and asked for donations to fund it.
! >
! >He's also at the right age to be a Nazi war criminal, which would
! >explain a lot.
! 
! No, sorry, he's too young. The people he most admires are war
! criminals, though. 
! 
! Has anyone ACTUALLY READ the National Geographic piece in question? I

Apparently not.  WHAT National Geographic article in question?




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		God grant me the serenity to accept
		the things I cannot change,
		the courage to change the things I can,
		and the wisdom to know the difference



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