From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Oct  3 11:17:27 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: News in Germany
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In article <32529D20.66AF@trident.tec.sc.us>, viviane klein  says:
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>I'm an exchange student from germany and I would like to receive 
>some news about what's going on in germany. If you are interested 
>in sending me some news, I' appreciate this.

The German government puts out a publication, This Week In Germany,
which is quite good, if you don't mind a little too much "official"
news.  Why not get it?

It is free, jsut call your local consulate.

GFH



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In article <52hnak$kai@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, rvc706@aol.com (Rvc706) says:

>A war crime.  I think not.  A question that I will pose to you 
>is that in war time, are there really such things as civilians?  

Yes, you ask the key question.  There is no doubt that one can
assume that war is total, and that war ends with the death of
all males, and the women and children become slaves.  There is
adequate historical precedent for such a position.

Some people, however, believe that such a barbaric (OK, a judge-
mental word) concept of war is no longer applicable and has not
been applicable for centuries.

There is little doubt that, in the area of 'war is for the 
military, not the civilians', W.W.II was a major setback for
civilization.  By organizing the SOE and OSS the Allies 
enlisted the civilian populations of the Axis occupied countries,
and thus put those civilians in the status of 'out of uniform
soldiers'.

There might have been a pragmatic basis for the bombing of
civilian targets if such bombing had shown some degree of
effectiveness.  It did not, and the truth was well known at
the time.  The UK made no excuses, they intended to destroy 
German cities as national policy, to assure England's economic
dominance over Eurpoe after the war.  The USA felt is necessary 
to lie to their airmen.  From what former Army Air Force men
have told me, I think I have personally met every single airman
who flew the bombing raids over Schweinfurt's ball bearing factory.
In contrast I have never met a single man who bombed Dresden.  
Perhaps the maps were relabeled, but more likely the airmen knew 
what they were doing was morally wrong.

GFH





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In article <52ji05$hko@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, R-Rostrom@bgu.edu (Rich
Rostrom) says:
>
>
>Despite all the preparations, deceptions, and advantages, the
>success of the D-Day landings was far from assured in advance.
>
>Was there any Allied planning for the possibility of failure?
>
>I'm particularly thinking about strategic alternatives.
>

Yes, there were alternatives.  The most spoken about was 
continuation of the Italy campaign.  But no one was ready
to say how to get over the Alps.

But OVERLORD was over 'funded' with both men and material.  Ike
felt that the 150,000 invasion (three day total) force, backed
up by 180,000 support, air and naval personnel, could sustain
50,000 casualties and still be a success.  In fact, the losses
were about 5,000.  Only one of the beaches was stongly defended 
by the Germans.

It would be accurate to say that the plan was 'not to fail'.

GFH





From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Oct  8 10:43:21 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: correction short german letter
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In article <01bbb478$4c4b5060$11d74ac1@default>, "Olivier Van de Velde"  says:
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>Hi, i'm from Belgium, and 17 years old, i need someone to help me 
>with a letter in German.   It's for school, and if i don't have 
>a correct letter, i have to do my year over.
>

Repeating your year of German would be a good idea.  Perhaps next
time you could pay attention.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Oct  8 10:43:23 PDT 1996
Article: 87997 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Thirty Years War
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In article <32593E8D.2EEE@vxdesy.desy.de>, "Krehbiel, Hanns"  says:

>
>Historians agree that during the 30-yrs war the population of 
>the territories which now is Germany declined by 40%. 

I think that this is an understatement.  I think that "to 40% of
former levels" is more accurate.

>Reasons: Wanton killings, war-borne
>diseases, and famines due to the destruction of livelihood 
>(marauding troops robbed seed-grain, cattle etc.) 

Armies lived off of the land.  An army in the neighborhood
meant that all food was taken from the local population.
Querfurt, near Freyburg in estern Thüringen, is a good
example of the devastation wrought by an army in the
area.

It seemed that all of Europe said: "Let's go to Germany and
fight our religious wars there."

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Wed Oct  9 09:35:35 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: German Holocaust
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In article , jmenayan@slip.net (Jason Menayan) says:

>
>That's because the German Holocaust never existed.  

Actually it did, and it was perpetrated on the Germans in the
eastern part of the country, starting in 1944, by the Russians
and their allies.

GFH



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In article , jmenayan@slip.net (Jason Menayan) says:

>
>That's because the German Holocaust never existed.  

Actually it did, and it was perpetrated on the Germans in the
eastern part of the country, starting in 1944, by the Russians
and their allies.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sat Oct 12 12:34:33 PDT 1996
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I have noticed that adding "ver" to a verb modifies it in an
odd, often philosophical, and generally unpredictable, way.

The recent gehen - vergehen brought this concept back to my
mind.  nicht - vernichten, streichen - verstreichen,  so many.

What does "ver" mean?  "Ver" is not like the easy ones - 
"unter" and "ab".  

Any Germanic linguists out there?  I know one answered the
"gender - sex" question, but he was totally ignored.  Such
is the penalty for insightful thought on the Net.  :-)


GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sat Oct 12 12:34:35 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: The German Alphabet and IBM PCs
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In article <53lv5p$d64@nrtphba6.bnr.ca>, sgibbons@nortel.ca (Steve Gibbons) says:
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>|> >I am a new student of German (I've had 6 classes) and I've run 
>|> >into a problem.  I need to reproduce the German letters with 
>|> >umlauts on my IBM PC, and I'm not sure how to do so.
>|> >
>|> >I'd like to be able to produce them in the following circumstances:


>|> >Danke.


Great!  You know a really good first word.  But learn "bitte".
It means (in English) "please", "thank you", "excuse me" and
many other things.  You can make it in Germany if you know
this one magic word.


But, back to the point of your post.  No problem.  Use the "alt"
key.  I am sure that 129 will result in ü,  132, ä,
148, ö.  Ü = 154, Ä = 142, Ö = 153 and ß = 225.

You can easily deal with lesser languages, like French and Spanish,
also.  248 = ° on most keyboards -- most useful.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Oct 13 11:08:44 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: RI-550i  Nuremberg Trials for L. Ron Hubbard
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In article <199610131345.OAA17810@hera.easynet.de>, "Koos Nolst Trenite"  says:

>  L. Ron Hubbard and his helpers
>   who have used and are using
>   the great technology and purposes of Scientology
>    in order to destroy, spiritually enslave, and dominate Mankind.

I find it hard to tell who is the greater wacko - you or this
Hubbard guy.  Probably you, because I am sure he makes a lot of
money with the Scientology scam.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Oct 13 19:36:02 PDT 1996
Article: 88348 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Searching for 3 cities in Germany
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In article <53r1hk$qu7@Helene.OLEANE.NET>, agenphi@worldnet.fr (agenphi) says:
>
>I'm searching for these 3 cities, that probably don't exist now.
>I've used Arthur Teschler's tool, but without a positive answer.
>
>These cities are :
>- RIEMBERG (UEBER OBERNIGK)
>- ALTHEIDE BAD (KR. GLATZ)
>- UEBERKRAPPITZ
>
>These cities were mentioned ueber WWII documents.
>There could be out of the actual german territory.

Clearly in the east, possibly in today in Poland or
Belorussia.

GFH 



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Oct 14 10:34:13 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: What is typical german work schedule?
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One needs to add information about 'sick days'.  In Germany
'sick pay' has been 100% of regular pay. (Now, it will be
permitted by law to have sick pay as low as 80%.)  So a lot
of sick time was taken.

Basically, one can assume that a German works 3/4 as many hours
as an American for 'full' pay.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Oct 14 10:34:14 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: sexist language
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Considering that there was a quite scholarly post explaining that
"gender" is a gramatical term and "sex" is a biological term, and
that gender has little to do with sex, I am surprised that this 
thread continues.

Why?  I know it is fun to ignore facts and argue emotions, but it
is neither productive of anything other than 'feel good' self-
images and angst without suffering.

GFH



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In article ,
pankiewicz@pwr.wroc.pl (Jerzy Pankiewicz) says:
>
>It has been stated in this group that the Polish army commanders
>believed in cardboard tanks.

The Polish army commanders were, in fact, correct.  Germans used
wooden - cardboard imitation tanks for training purposes in the
late 30s.  Many of the German tanks used in 1939 against Poland
were little better -- Mark I tanks, with very light armor and
no canon, only machineguns.  I believe that the tanks were OK
against rifle and machinegun bullets, but not against the least
of the antitank guns - the 37 mm.

GFH




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In article <53ui0e$qo8@netnews.upenn.edu>, weinecks@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Silke-Maria  Weineck) says:

>
>More interesting, however: do explain how angst without suffering 
>works, I'm intrigued.

It is called "suffering by proxy".

GFH



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In article , moon@netnitco.net
(David Mullins) says:
>
>
>> The best case was of the Japanese liuetenant (I do not recall his
>> name) who hid out in the Philipino bush until 1972- They brought his
>> former CO in to induce him to surrender.  
>
>This lieutenant did write a book, "My Thirty Year War".  I read it 
>in the 70's but remember very little of it.
>

I was in Tokyo when he came back.  He was quite a hero.  Well received
by the media and the public - so it is not necessary to add the 
government also.

I think it was claimed that he was the "last", but every one is the
"last" until another comes along.  Keep in mind, "the Philippino
bush" also means on a minor island.

GFH





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In article ,
gustin@hhipe.uia.ac.be (Emmanuel.Gustin) says:

>That is correct, but none of these were known as 'blockbusters'. 
>Blockbusters were thin-walled HE bombs for use against city targets. 

This is correct.  A 'blockbuster' was a 2,000 lb HE bomb, meant to
destroy buildings in cities.  In Churchill's words - to "dehouse"
the German population.  I seem to remember that the 'blockbuster'
was a USA development, and carried mainly by B-17s.

GFH




From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Tue Oct 29 09:57:58 PST 1996
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mundte@cadvision.com (Ed Mundt) wrote:

>Hallo!!

>Does anyone know about the vineyards in Naumburg on the Saale? 

Yes.  I've been there and drunk some [a lot ;-)] of it.

First, the better wines come from a little further north, the Saale-
Unstrut junction at Freyburg (read about Turnvater Jahn before going
to Freyburg) and along the Unstrut.

The area was 'communized' and is working on converting back to
private wineries.  Now, it is a little more like a co-operative.
It takes time to get a good wine ready for sale -- even a German
white.

>I realize it is not great wine coming from that region, 

Well now, don't listen to those wine makers in the original BRD!
The *very* best German red that I have ever tasted was a 'späte
Burgundier' (sp?).  Very good, worthy of France, well past any
red Rheingau (A*m*h*r knows who I mean).  The whites are good and
sekt is world class.  Does that sound like "not great wine"?  I
wish Virginia was 10% as good.

If you visit the area, visit Naumburg, Schule Pforte, and 
Freyburg.  Stay in Freyburg.

GFH



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>    => 7.2 Encyclopedias, "Lexika" 

Very good for a word, but will not handle inflections.  (But
you should memorize the strong verbs anyway.)

>     o "Power Translator (PT)," German (Globalink) 
>       Cost in US: about US$120.  Requires: Mac II or better, 31 MB of
>       disk space, 2 MB RAM, System 7.  Note: There is also a
>       Professional version (untested, about US$475) for which subject
>       dictionaries are available.  

Their original DOS version was good.  No upgrade has been close to
as good.  You can not use it without being able to make corrections
to the resulting text.  Great for translating *to* your native
language; poor in the other direction.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Oct 31 07:44:42 PST 1996
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In article <54t5sh$r9u@gally.galeode.fr>, Jacques.Petit@reseau.galeode.fr (Jacques Petit) says:

>-- Statt "Meerseite" würde ich einfach "Küste" vorschlagen. Und die 
>"pinkfarbenen Felsen" mag ich überhaupt nicht. Warum nicht "rosafarben" ...?

I agree that the suggested translation sounded like a 'translation',
not a description written by a native German.

But, before starting any translation, one should ask the author: "Do
you want the thought expressed the way a native would, or do you
want a translation faithful to the original text (Urschrift)?"

GFH 



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Oct 31 07:44:43 PST 1996
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Subject: Re: Help wanted: German lang.
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In article <3276eb4e.22614727@nntp.netcruiser>, royfeni@geocities.com (Roy) says:
>
>On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 14:57:21 -0800, DESMOND THOMPSON
> wrote:
>
>>I´ve just started learning German. I wanted to know if there were any 
>>rules of finding whether an object was masculine, feminine or neutral.#
>>
>>Any help shall be appreciated.
>
>        Forget it, dude! The only thing to do is learn the definite
>article along with the noun: der Bleistift, die Feder, das Heft, etc.
>Actually, it's pretty easy to do. (Although I recently made the
>mistake of saying "DAS Geschichte."

Well, an honest answer is "yes and no".  Gender was determined by
rules, not by reference to the sex of the noun.  But the rules are
quite hard to apply.  Of course we all know simple rules:  diminutive-
ending nouns (-lein, -chen) are neuter; foreign nouns generally
feminine.

But, you can NOT avoid it.  You must learn the gender as you learn the
noun!

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Oct 31 18:19:23 PST 1996
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In article <55auj7$896@news3.realtime.net>, rbarends@bga.com (Rob Barends) says:
>
>Hi, 
>
>I have been offered an opportunity to live in or near Muenich for 3
>years while working for an American software firm. 

Yes, Germany is a modern country.  But you forgot taxes!!!  If I
were you, I would assume that you will need 50% more to live accord-
ing to your present life style.  But you can reduce that if you
'adjust'.  'Adjust' does not mean 'up' or 'down', just different.

Keep in mind that one of you great expenses will be the incompatability
of so many items.  TVs are different, as are most appliances - large 
and small.  Thus everything is 'lost' within three years.  Even autos
are not the same, thanks to governmental wackos in both countries.

And a lot depends on whether you are single or married or married
with children.

Whether you speak German or not is of little importance in München.
You will have to work at it to get enough of an opportunity to learn
to speak German well.  Of course, if single, a German girlfriend will
greatly aid your instruction.

GFH

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