The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
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In article <4tnpp0$q60@netnews.upenn.edu>, weinecks@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Silke-Maria  Weineck) says:
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>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>: In the USA there has been built a special holocaust museum in
>: spite of the fact that the American Jews have never suffered any
>: particular harm and have always been among the most well educated
>: and affluent. 

"It is a shrewd saint who suffers by proxy."

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sat Aug  3 07:03:02 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: An Example Of Censorship By Copyright
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In article <4tqmeu$ecv@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu>, spok+@cs.cmu.edu (John Mark Ockerbloom) says:

>The fixed time period, though, could be as long as 75 years from
>publication (28 years for the first term, and then, if copyright
>was renewed, the renewal term was extended to last 47 more years).
>It's been less than 75 years since MK was published, so I can't say for
>sure whether it's out of copyright in the US yet.
>

True, but add 28 to the date of publication and see if you think that
the copyright was renewed.

>There were American editions published before and during WW2, apparently
>meant as warnings to Americans of what Hitler's goals and methods were.
>I suspect those were published on the theory that Hitler wasn't going to be
>able to sue the US publishers, rather than because the book had landed in
>the public domain or because Hitler had given permission to reprint.

Another problem.  I have a number of books published during W.W.II in
violation of German copyrights.  "Copyright vested in the Alien Property 
Custodian, 1944, pursuant to law."  What happened?  Did the US give it 
back?  Check the National Archives.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug  4 08:13:03 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
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In article <4tqmeu$ecv@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu>, spok+@cs.cmu.edu (John Mark Ockerbloom) says:

>The fixed time period, though, could be as long as 75 years from
>publication (28 years for the first term, and then, if copyright
>was renewed, the renewal term was extended to last 47 more years).
>It's been less than 75 years since MK was published, so I can't say for
>sure whether it's out of copyright in the US yet.
>

True, but add 28 to the date of publication and see if you think that
the copyright was renewed.

>There were American editions published before and during WW2, apparently
>meant as warnings to Americans of what Hitler's goals and methods were.
>I suspect those were published on the theory that Hitler wasn't going to be
>able to sue the US publishers, rather than because the book had landed in
>the public domain or because Hitler had given permission to reprint.

Another problem.  I have a number of books published during W.W.II in
violation of German copyrights.  "Copyright vested in the Alien Property 
Custodian, 1944, pursuant to law."  What happened?  Did the US give it 
back?  Check the National Archives.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug  4 08:20:16 PDT 1996
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In article <31ff93e9.4835157@198.59.115.25>, schelby@swcp.com (E.F.Schelby) says:
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>Frankbeh@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Frank Behrens) wrote:
>
>>McVeigh + Nichols..... 
>>Are there any doubts about their guilt?
>
>In this country, individuals are presumed innocent until proven
>guilty. Elsewhere some seem to like it the other way around.
>

I, for one, doubt their guilt.  I doubt the FBI physical evidence.
The FBI has a long history of fabricating physiacl evidence, going
back to the Lindberg Kidnapping.  It seems that it is OK to admit
fabrication if the case is old.  One of the reasons that the FBI lab
director was not a witness at the OJ trial was worries about 
questions regarding fabrication of evidence.

It looks to me that the FBI took more volume out of Unibomber
cabin than there was room.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug  4 08:20:18 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
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In article <4tnpp0$q60@netnews.upenn.edu>, weinecks@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Silke-Maria  Weineck) says:
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>Ole Kreiberg (olk@login.dknet.dk) wrote:
>
>: In the USA there has been built a special holocaust museum in
>: spite of the fact that the American Jews have never suffered any
>: particular harm and have always been among the most well educated
>: and affluent. 

"It is a shrewd saint who suffers by proxy."

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug  4 08:20:18 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
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In article <1996Aug1.171740.144237@forest>, dmurphy@forest.drew.edu says:
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>What does "Ein kusschen hat noch keinem geschadet"  mean?

A little kiss does no harm.

GFH



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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
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In article <4tqmeu$ecv@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu>, spok+@cs.cmu.edu (John Mark Ockerbloom) says:

>The fixed time period, though, could be as long as 75 years from
>publication (28 years for the first term, and then, if copyright
>was renewed, the renewal term was extended to last 47 more years).
>It's been less than 75 years since MK was published, so I can't say for
>sure whether it's out of copyright in the US yet.
>

True, but add 28 to the date of publication and see if you think that
the copyright was renewed.

>There were American editions published before and during WW2, apparently
>meant as warnings to Americans of what Hitler's goals and methods were.
>I suspect those were published on the theory that Hitler wasn't going to be
>able to sue the US publishers, rather than because the book had landed in
>the public domain or because Hitler had given permission to reprint.

Another problem.  I have a number of books published during W.W.II in
violation of German copyrights.  "Copyright vested in the Alien Property 
Custodian, 1944, pursuant to law."  What happened?  Did the US give it 
back?  Check the National Archives.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug  4 08:20:20 PDT 1996
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If you are interested in Richter's Anchor Stone Building Sets
check out the web site http://www.comet.net/personal/Georgeh/

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug  4 22:46:40 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Priebke
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In article <4u0ptt$cds@netnews.upenn.edu>, cooperma@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Michael Cooperman) says:
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>Why doesn't someone just off him..

Priebke, a quite famous name.  Well worth a little respect.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug  4 22:46:43 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: + Heil Hitler +
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In article <3204B948.4D31@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de>, Markus Stenger  says:

You make me sorry I can read German.

GFH
>
>Heil Hitler,
>
>an alle Kameraden in der Welt.
>
>Es gab niemals Konzentrationslager in Deutschland und in Polen. 
>Das ist alles eine Erfindung der Englaender, der Amerikaner und 
>der Russen.
>
>Nach dem zweiten Weltkrieg haben diese Siegermaechte die 
>Konzentrationslager aufgebaut.

>  



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug  4 22:46:44 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Rebuilding Germany after WWII
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>In article <32029E59.718D@io.com>, 
> Robert Strauss  writes:
>
>|> My wife and I just returned from Germany and visited 12 of 
>|> the major cities. Two things surprised us.............. the 
>|> amount of destruction of civilian areas from indescriminant 
>|> bombing during WWII, and secondly, how Germany was able to 
>|> rebuild itself so quickly. We saw many, many buildings that 
>|> had been rebuilt exactly as they had once stood. How did 
>|> Germany have the money, manpower and materials to do this 
>|> in such a short time?  

Surprise yourself a little more.  Talk to some of the people about
the years May 15, 1945 until 1949.  find out just how *very* hard
the Americans, in particular, made even survival, much less 
rebuilding.  True, after 1949, we needed a reliable European
ally, and Germany was the only real choice -- read French and
British history on that era (would you trust De Gaulle?).  The
Marshall Plan was a great help but not one tenth that of German
determination.

If you were surprised that the Allies (British even more than
US) bombed civilians for the "sport of it", you have even bigger
surprises in store.

And, you know, we are proud of that record.  Just two years ago
I read in a major history magazine about how the writer was in
a Nuremberg caffee, looking at the 40 year old waitress and
reflecting (with pleasure, nor sorrow) on how 45 years ago
shw would have been making her living as a prostitute to feed
her family -- the US Army (Ike) left no other option.

GFH

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug  4 22:46:44 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Schwabinchen?
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In article <4u2s4i$58k@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, schmidt116@aol.com (Schmidt116) says:
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>Can some one tell me the meaning or derivation of the word 
>schwabinchen?

Are you sure of the spelling?  The word looks to me like it
means a "little girl from the Schwabe section of Germany".

GFH



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In article <4tqmeu$ecv@casaba.srv.cs.cmu.edu>, spok+@cs.cmu.edu (John Mark Ockerbloom) says:

>The fixed time period, though, could be as long as 75 years from
>publication (28 years for the first term, and then, if copyright
>was renewed, the renewal term was extended to last 47 more years).
>It's been less than 75 years since MK was published, so I can't say for
>sure whether it's out of copyright in the US yet.
>

True, but add 28 to the date of publication and see if you think that
the copyright was renewed.

>There were American editions published before and during WW2, apparently
>meant as warnings to Americans of what Hitler's goals and methods were.
>I suspect those were published on the theory that Hitler wasn't going to be
>able to sue the US publishers, rather than because the book had landed in
>the public domain or because Hitler had given permission to reprint.

Another problem.  I have a number of books published during W.W.II in
violation of German copyrights.  "Copyright vested in the Alien Property 
Custodian, 1944, pursuant to law."  What happened?  Did the US give it 
back?  Check the National Archives.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug  5 12:13:36 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: + Heil Hitler +
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In article <4u36q6$2h9h@c4.hrz.uni-giessen.de>, gk72@vision.hrz.uni-giessen.de (Arthur Teschler) says:
>
>On Sun, 04 Aug 1996 16:52:56 +0200 Markus Stenger (sw0007@aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de) wrote:
>: Heil Hitler,
>
>...
>
>Hallo Markus,
>
>bei deiner naechsten Internet Sitzung loggst Du Dich besser 
>anschliessend aus. Sonst bist Du Deinen account vielleicht 
>schneller los als Dir lieb ist.

I do not approve of censorship.  Just let him write his
ridiculous comments.  He hurts no one but himself.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Wed Aug  7 17:46:26 PDT 1996
Article: 81869 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Rebuilding Germany after WWII
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Robert Strauss  writes:

>My wife and I just returned from Germany and visited 12 of the major 
>cities. Two things surprised us.............. the amount of destruction 
>of civilian areas from indescriminant bombing during WWII, and secondly, 
>how Germany was able to rebuild itself so quickly. We saw many, many 
>buildings that had been rebuilt exactly as they had once stood. How did 
>Germany have the money, manpower and materials to do this in such a 
>short time.

I have sat in brick houses which are made of brick from the original
house, which was bombed out.  The wife (yes, wife) savaged each brick,
removed the mortar and got them ready for rebuilding.  In other
words, a lot of hard work pain and suffering.

GFH 




From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Wed Aug  7 17:46:29 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: HELP: Needed German Translation to English
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In article <4u8pcr$pum@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mborkowski@aol.com 
(MBorkowski) says:
>
> "Nicht schlect, aber wo ist das 'ess-zet' auf dieser americanischen
> Tastatur?  Ohne das "Schwanzchen" am B kann man nicht philosophieren!"
>
>Not bad, but where is the 'ess-zet' on this American keyboard? Without 
>the little tail on the B, one cannot philosophize!
>

OK, now we know that this German sentence is some sort of a school
test.  Let's forget it.  OK?

 225

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Aug  8 18:53:39 PDT 1996
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In article , Robert@cartel.westfalen.de (Robert) says:
>
>uzs2e9@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (Kurt Thomas) wrote:

>>Here's a suggestion:
>
>>"Not bad, but where's the ß on this American keyboard ? 
>>[You] Can't philosophize without its little tail."
>
>not "you" but: ONE can not philosophize without that little tail
>at the B" (meaning the this letter " 

Sadly, it is common American English to use "you" when the 
correct word is "one".  My ninth grade teacher cured her 
whole class of this bad habit by immediately interrupting 
with: "No, I don't."

In the sense of common usage, "you" is not wrong.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Fri Aug  9 08:02:02 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
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In article <4tr8k4$cbn@bell.maths.tcd.ie>, dbell@maths.tcd.ie (Derek Bell) says:
>
>        Because art doesn't neccessarily have to represent the 
>truth, while a Holocaust museum displays the truth about 
>the Holocaust. (I.e. that it happened.)

The one in the USA leaves out all mention of Russians and Poles,
just covering Jews and gypsies.  Yes, history, but edited history.

GFH


From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Fri Aug  9 10:09:53 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Help: What is a Quilting Bee?
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In article <6ETqflYKpWB@ggohlke.snafu.de>, ggohlke@ggohlke.snafu.de (Gerrit Gohlke) says:
>
>Is anyone here, who can answer a short question?
>
>I try to translate the term "quilting bee" into German. I know 
>that a bee is something like a social meeting. The Collins 
>Dictionary says about "bee": "a social gathering for a specific
>purpose, as to carry out a communal task or hold competitions
..." and adds: "quilting bee". The term "quilting bee" seems to 
>be so widespread and famous that it's suitable as an explanation 
>for bee - but I never heard of it.
>
>Can aynone explain the meaning of that "social gathering"?

Yes, women get together to make quilts.  Why?  A good
opportunity to talk, and to share colored scraps of material
to make the desired patterns.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Fri Aug  9 10:18:10 PDT 1996
Article: 426064 of talk.politics.misc
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Subject: Re: Why America is the best!
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In article <4udrvd$2p6@crl9.crl.com>, kiseido@crl.com (Bill Franke) says:
>
>Azagthoth (azzy@io.com) wrote:
>
>: No, it's "there" and it's "a myriad of" since myriad is an adjective.
>
>"Myriad" is NOT and adjective in the phrase "a myriad of," it's a noun.

Like many other words, "myriad" is either a noun or an adjective,
depending on how it is used.

Is "building" a noun? an inflected verb? an adjective?

You guys have too much time on your hands.

GFH



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Subject: Re: Why America is the best!
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In article <4udrvd$2p6@crl9.crl.com>, kiseido@crl.com (Bill Franke) says:
>
>Azagthoth (azzy@io.com) wrote:
>
>: No, it's "there" and it's "a myriad of" since myriad is an adjective.
>
>"Myriad" is NOT and adjective in the phrase "a myriad of," it's a noun.

Like many other words, "myriad" is either a noun or an adjective,
depending on how it is used.

Is "building" a noun? an inflected verb? an adjective?

You guys have too much time on your hands.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Fri Aug  9 13:44:26 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
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In article <4ud7m8$8e8@lendl.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) says:

>From the Mission Statement of the United States Holocaust Memorial
>Museum:
>
>" Jews were the primary victims--six million were murdered; Gypsies, 
>  the handicapped, and Poles were also targeted for destruction
>  or decimation for racial, ethnic, or national reasons. Millions more, 
>  including homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Soviet prisoners of war, 
>  and political dissidents also suffered grievous oppression and
>  death under Nazi tyranny."
>

I suggest that you compare the Mission Statement with the numbers:
6,000,000 Jews
5,000,000 Russians (non-Jews)
2,000,000 Poles (non-Jews)
  500,000 Gypsies
  500,000 Others.

You will see that the numbers reflect many more Poles and Russians
then Gypsies, but Gypsies were mentioned second. And Russians
were not really mentioned at all, considerting, by these numbers
they totaled 35%, plus Russian Jews.

GFH




From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sat Aug 10 09:52:53 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
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In article <4ufs73$hr3@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ehrlich606@aol.com (Ehrlich606) says:

>Just curious, but what is the source of your stats?  The History 
>of the Great Patriotic War (the Soviet version of WW2, out in 
>the '60's and '70's) mentioned in one place *20,000,000 casualties 
>of Fascist Agression* or something like that, of which historians 
>have usually taken about a third (7.5 million) as battle deaths.  
>I don't think this latter number takes into account the 3.5 
>million Soviet POWs who died in German custody, most of them in 
>the winter of 1941-42. [BTW, for comparison, I think the Germans 
>ended up with cca. 2 million dead, and 1 million missing for the
>entire war -- these are military losses only.]

I think that overall the W.W.II losses were about 50 to 55 million.
Roughly 50% were Russians.  German losses were about 5 to 6 million,
about somewhat less than 1 million due to Allied bombing, about
2.5 million civilian dead due to the USSR in the east, the rest
military, mostly on the eastern front.

Add the 9 million Holocaust victims (deducting the 5 million
Russians to avoid double counting).

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sat Aug 10 18:49:27 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
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In article <320B4407.5D68@gryn.org>, Alec Grynspan  says:

>
>The Holocaust Museum is about that - so Gypsies get a second 
>position by numbers.
>

You have stumbled on the truth.  The Holocaust Museum is not 
about Holocaust deaths, but a political agenda.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sat Aug 10 23:36:50 PDT 1996
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In article <320bd0a3.4659318@news.inetport.com>, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) says:
>
>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>
>It really doesn't matter what you write about the manuals. You must
>realize that the manuals are written for using Zyklon as a fumigant
>and not as a murder weapon aimed at humans. Geeze.

I just looked at the manual with my revolver.  It, too, does
not suggest it can be used as a murder weapon.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug 11 08:59:05 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: Concerning the number of esperantists
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In article <4uifob$d4n@lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk>, sjb1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Simon Buck) says:
>
>Ysgrifennodd Uzulo (tycho@cile.msk.su):
>
>   >>
>The  purpose    of   an   international  language   is  to  enhance
>communication  amongst peoples of  the  world,  and to that  end,  it
>would  help for  "the"   international language   to  be considerably
>easier  than  English to  learn  or   understand.  Yes, many   people
>throughout the  world communicate in  English  now  (although many at
>varying degrees of substandard quality),  <>

That is the great advantage of English (or is it English
speakers).  No matter how poorly they speak English, or
how poorly they pronounce it or how bad the grammar, it
seems that the English speaker will understand.  Just try
to speak French that badly in France!

My German is very bad.  It works well in the former DDR, where
it is the only medium of communications.  But in the older
Länder, I must speak English, as those Germans expect the
grammar to be accurate, the gender of nouns known, etc.

I have no idea why English has this unique factor, being 
useful when very poorly spoken.  But I don't think that 
any artificially constructed language will have the same
virtue.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug 11 08:59:09 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Design of an International Auxillary Language (IAL)
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But the hard facts are that 1 out of 3 people in the world
speek English or are learning English as a second language.

Yes, there are many things wrong with English.  For simplicity
of construction Japanese is better; for spelling and grammar, 
German is better.  But, like it or not, English is the world's
language.  French could have been, but lost its opportunity.
I am still not sure why.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug 11 11:33:29 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: The Holocaust Cult and the EU
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In article <4ujj9d$7oi@lendl.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@curly.cc.emory.edu (william c anderson) says:
>
>George F. Hardy (georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us) wrote:
>: In article <320B4407.5D68@gryn.org>, Alec Grynspan  says:
>: 
>: >
>: >The Holocaust Museum is about that - so Gypsies get a second 
>: >position by numbers.
>: >
>: 
>: You have stumbled on the truth.  The Holocaust Museum is not 
>: about Holocaust deaths, but a political agenda.
>
>No--it's about Holocaust deaths.  It's not about WWII combat deaths
>and civilian casualties of the war.  That fact does not disparage
>those deaths--they just aren't the subject of the museum.  


According to German records, slightly more non Jewish Poles died
in Auschwitz than Jewish.  The 14 million Holocaust deaths does 
not include combat deaths or civilian casualties (collateral
damage).

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Sun Aug 11 21:46:50 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Provide the "records," Mr. Hardy!
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In article <4ula04$ekg@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) says:
>
>In article <8b7cc$8321b.3aa@news.comet.net>, 
>georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy) wrote:
>
>>According to German records, slightly more non Jewish Poles died
>>in Auschwitz than Jewish.  The 14 million Holocaust deaths does 
>>not include combat deaths or civilian casualties (collateral
>>damage).
>
>I believe the appropriate scholastic response to this assertion is 
>"bullshit."
>
>However, since you have made the claim, it is only reasonable
>to ask you to support it. Please provide these "German
>records" that state that more non-Jewish Poles died at
>Auschwitz than Jewish. First, however, define "Jewish."
>
>Do you mean "Polish Jews" or "all Jews?"


I'll look up the numbers.  "Poles" are non-Jewish.  And Polish
Jew is counted as a Jew, not a pole.  As I remember the numbers,
the correct numbers are about 375,000 Jews and 385,000 Poles.
But I'll find the numbers within two days.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 12 09:58:58 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Going to Germany for a year-what clothes to bring?
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In article <4ulja4$p7l@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, wolfaefg@w250zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (Wolfgang Schwanke) says:

>Perhaps you might consider dying your hair purple.
>

Really true.  Every time I go to Germany I am impressed with the
hair color.  It looks like a very bad lot of dye, sold to
people who want to be "mod".

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 12 09:58:59 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Provide the "records," Mr. Hardy!
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In article <4ula04$ekg@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) says:
>
>In article <8b7cc$8321b.3aa@news.comet.net>, 
>georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy) wrote:
>
>>According to German records, slightly more non Jewish Poles died
>>in Auschwitz than Jewish.  The 14 million Holocaust deaths does 
>>not include combat deaths or civilian casualties (collateral
>>damage).
>
>I believe the appropriate scholastic response to this assertion is 
>"bullshit."
>
>However, since you have made the claim, it is only reasonable
>to ask you to support it. Please provide these "German
>records" that state that more non-Jewish Poles died at
>Auschwitz than Jewish. First, however, define "Jewish."
>
>Do you mean "Polish Jews" or "all Jews?"


I'll look up the numbers.  "Poles" are non-Jewish.  And Polish
Jew is counted as a Jew, not a pole.  As I remember the numbers,
the correct numbers are about 375,000 Jews and 385,000 Poles.
But I'll find the numbers within two days.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 12 09:59:00 PDT 1996
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Provide the "records," Mr. Hardy!
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In article <4ula04$ekg@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) says:
>
>In article <8b7cc$8321b.3aa@news.comet.net>, 
>georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy) wrote:
>
>>According to German records, slightly more non Jewish Poles died
>>in Auschwitz than Jewish.  The 14 million Holocaust deaths does 
>>not include combat deaths or civilian casualties (collateral
>>damage).
>
>I believe the appropriate scholastic response to this assertion is 
>"bullshit."
>
>However, since you have made the claim, it is only reasonable
>to ask you to support it. Please provide these "German
>records" that state that more non-Jewish Poles died at
>Auschwitz than Jewish. First, however, define "Jewish."
>
>Do you mean "Polish Jews" or "all Jews?"

I have not found Auschwitz yet, but did find Majdanek.

Deaths:  140,000 Jews;    220,000 Christians
         274,000 Poles;    86, non-Poles (over 50 countries
         represented).

GFH



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In article <4ulrdh$802@nntp1.best.com>, don@donh.vip.best.com (Don HARLOW) says:

>>I remember using the tourist information centre at the Gare de Lyon in
>>Paris about 5 years ago, and the man there made no effort whatsoever to
>>understand my rusty French.
>
>While my own experience with French is a couple of decades out of
>date, I have always had the impression from it that the French (for
>whatever reason) invariably get a bad rap when it comes to language.
>Of the three weeks I spent in France on two different auto trips
>through the country, I _never_ met a Frenchman (or -woman) who failed
>to struggle hard to be helpful, friendly, and to understand my one
>year of high-school French. (This despite the fact that I couldn't
>understand anything _they_ said, having no ear for the language; my
>wife, who couldn't speak the language, _did_ have such an ear, so we
>always ended up having three-way conversations.)
>
>I never did visit Paris, however -- in fact, I studiously avoided the
>place -- so perhaps the generalization about the French people and the
>French language is true within this geographically restricted part of
>France.

You did not have to write this last paragraph.  On my last trip
to France I tried my 'French' -- high school, 40 years ago, no
further use.  I did OK outside of Paris, in the south, Jarnac and
Bordeau.  I thought I was really doing well.  But in Paris they
acted like I was speaking some totally unknown language.

While that may be just Paris, Paris does tend to represent France.

As to English, I often have to take a few minutes to accustom my
ear to odd pronunciations.  But these odd pronunciations can be
found in England, among native English speakers.  Thus it is
probably reasonable to say that odd pronunciation is part of 
English.  And yes, I have often found written communications
impossible to understand when I could communicate with the person
himself in English.  Trying to be formal and polite in written
correspondence, using a dictionary to find a word, etc., all 
results in very odd English.  Consider Merriam Webster's
first definiton of "hide" -- 120 acres (50 hectars) of land.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 12 14:02:58 PDT 1996
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In article <4ulja4$p7l@brachio.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE>, wolfaefg@w250zrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE (Wolfgang Schwanke) says:

>Perhaps you might consider dying your hair purple.
>

Really true.  Every time I go to Germany I am impressed with the
hair color.  It looks like a very bad lot of dye, sold to
people who want to be "mod".

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 12 14:03:00 PDT 1996
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In article <4ulrdh$802@nntp1.best.com>, don@donh.vip.best.com (Don HARLOW) says:

>>I remember using the tourist information centre at the Gare de Lyon in
>>Paris about 5 years ago, and the man there made no effort whatsoever to
>>understand my rusty French.
>
>While my own experience with French is a couple of decades out of
>date, I have always had the impression from it that the French (for
>whatever reason) invariably get a bad rap when it comes to language.
>Of the three weeks I spent in France on two different auto trips
>through the country, I _never_ met a Frenchman (or -woman) who failed
>to struggle hard to be helpful, friendly, and to understand my one
>year of high-school French. (This despite the fact that I couldn't
>understand anything _they_ said, having no ear for the language; my
>wife, who couldn't speak the language, _did_ have such an ear, so we
>always ended up having three-way conversations.)
>
>I never did visit Paris, however -- in fact, I studiously avoided the
>place -- so perhaps the generalization about the French people and the
>French language is true within this geographically restricted part of
>France.

You did not have to write this last paragraph.  On my last trip
to France I tried my 'French' -- high school, 40 years ago, no
further use.  I did OK outside of Paris, in the south, Jarnac and
Bordeau.  I thought I was really doing well.  But in Paris they
acted like I was speaking some totally unknown language.

While that may be just Paris, Paris does tend to represent France.

As to English, I often have to take a few minutes to accustom my
ear to odd pronunciations.  But these odd pronunciations can be
found in England, among native English speakers.  Thus it is
probably reasonable to say that odd pronunciation is part of 
English.  And yes, I have often found written communications
impossible to understand when I could communicate with the person
himself in English.  Trying to be formal and polite in written
correspondence, using a dictionary to find a word, etc., all 
results in very odd English.  Consider Merriam Webster's
first definiton of "hide" -- 120 acres (50 hectars) of land.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 12 14:03:00 PDT 1996
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Camp           Jews           Poles
Auschwitz    205,000        137,000
Majdanek     140,000        220,000
Total        345,000        357,000

Of course the 'modern' Auschwitz numbers have increased the Jewish
deaths by a factor of over 400%, and a 'token' increase of
Polish deaths of 9%.  I do realize that the current claim is that
the Germans were poor (and inaccurate) record keepers.

Please understand my point.  I am not challenging 6,000,000 Jews,
I am pointing out the disparity between the attention given one
group of 6,000,000 and a second groups of 500,000, while virtually
ignoring two other groups of 5,000,000 and 2,000,000.

GFH




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In article <320fbf8e.1238523@news.inetport.com>, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) says:
>
>georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy) wrote:
>
>>In article <320bd0a3.4659318@news.inetport.com>, mcurtis@inetport.com (Mike Curtis) says:
>>>
>>>olk@login.dknet.dk (Ole Kreiberg) wrote:
>>>
>>>It really doesn't matter what you write about the manuals. You must
>>>realize that the manuals are written for using Zyklon as a fumigant
>>>and not as a murder weapon aimed at humans. Geeze.
>>
>>I just looked at the manual with my revolver.  It, too, does
>>not suggest it can be used as a murder weapon.
>>
>
>Ah, but it can. All it takes is a will and a mind to do it. The
>Germans had a will and to mind to use what they obviously used. It
>just goes to show that not many people are concerned with using things
>properly.

That was my point.  Just because the manual does not describe
a use, that does not mean that such a use is either unusual or
unanticipated.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Aug 15 07:49:45 PDT 1996
Article: 57471 of alt.revisionism
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Provide the "records," Mr. Hardy!
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 23:09:50 GMT
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In article <4uruk1$ddq@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, mgiwer@ix.netcom.com (Matt  Giwer) says:
>
>On Mon, 12 Aug 1996 19:24:42 GMT, georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George
>F. Hardy) wrote:
>
>>Camp           Jews           Poles
>>Auschwitz    205,000        137,000
>>Majdanek     140,000        220,000
>>Total        345,000        357,000

>
>        You do realize that if you stick your sources and refuse to accept
>theirs the name called and the harrassment will start.  

Which camp are you asking about?

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Aug 15 10:48:45 PDT 1996
Article: 82827 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Why is France systematically excluded?
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In article <19960814012213163144@and8.gulliver.fr>, florent@lac.gulliver.fr (Florent Faessel) says:
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>Roger Thijs  wrote (écrivait) :
>
>> Newsgroups: de.etc.sprache.deutsch, nl.taal,sci.lang, soc.culture.french,
>> soc.culture.german, soc.culture.belgium, soc.culture.netherlands,
>> soc.culture.swiss, soc.culture.quebec, alt.letzebuerger, fr.misc.droit,
>> talk.politics.european-union,fr.soc.divers
>> Subject: Why is France systematically excluded?
>
>        Une fois de plus, le viel adage
>"Plus le message est crossposte, moins le message presente d'interet" se
>verifie, et de facon magistrale encore.
>        Comme quoi, quand on n'a rien a dire il faut le faire savoir.

Now you know.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Aug 15 13:37:12 PDT 1996
Article: 57564 of alt.revisionism
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Provide the "records," Mr. Hardy!
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In article , dkeren@world.std.com (Daniel Keren) says:
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>[Followup = alt.revisionism]
>
>georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy) writes:
>
># Camp           Jews           Poles
># Auschwitz    205,000        137,000
>
>Perhaps you'll explain where you dug these figures from.


Which camp are you asking about?  I have posted this question
before, and it seems that posters like you just don't read.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Aug 15 22:34:38 PDT 1996
Article: 82923 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Arbeitsdienst
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:03:07 GMT
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The Arbeitsdienst that I am familiar with was a Nazi era program
not unlike JFK's Peace Corps or FDR's CCC.  They built public
works, like water distribution, roads and flood control.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Fri Aug 16 10:16:56 PDT 1996
Article: 82970 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Gemeinschafthaus (?)
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I am interested in how this name 'sounds' to a German ear.  
I saw this sign on a house and my wife asked what it meant.  
My immediate reaction was 'whore house' or 'sex house'.  OK, 
I can come up with 'community house' or some sort of 'co-
operative house', but it seemed to me that there were safer
ways of communicating a non-sexual concept.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 19 18:27:18 PDT 1996
Article: 83112 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: The Double "S" character
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In article , peter@xilinx.com (Peter Alfke) says:
> 
>German spelling is far more phonetic than English. 

Very true.

>Yes, Finnish and Italian are even more phonetic, but the 
>English language "froze" spelling early, then evolved 
>pronounciation considerably, so that English and
>American children now have to learn the spelling of most words as a
>separate entity from the pronounciation.

Not exactly.  English spelling was frozen in the early 19th
century, primarily due to the efforts of Daniel Webster.

English is hard to spell because 1) foreign words are absorbed
along with their spelling and pronunciation ("Beaufort" may be 
bUfort or bOfort) 2) written English is a somewhat separate
language from spoken English ("sign" is spelled the way it is 
because it comes from a longer word "signiture".  The written
word has a life of its own).  There have been a number of
efforts to simplify English spelling.  Only a very few of
the 'corrections' have been adopted.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 26 16:11:29 PDT 1996
Article: 83962 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Phrasal Verbs vs. German verbs with separable prefixes (Was: Esperanto -n ending)
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In article , sebastiano hartviga  says:
>
>
>christian weisgerber:
>
>> "umfahren"
>> -> inseparable  "er umfaehrt"           to drive around s.th., to bypass
>> -> separable    "er faehrt um"          to run over with a car
>
>er umfährt die taube. er fährt um die taube. er fährt die taube um. er fährt 
>um die taube herum.

These four sentences make an excellent examination question.  :-)

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 26 16:11:31 PDT 1996
Article: 83963 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Why is France systematically excluded?
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In article , souris@netcom.com (Henry Hillbrath) says:
>
>murray@macpro.ca (Murray Kastner) writes:
>
>[snip]
>
>>Some may not be aware of it but we in North America came very close to
>>German as the lingua franca.
>
>There is a very often repeated myth that German was rejected at the 
>"official language" of the U. S. by a single vote. But, it is a myth, 
>and has been much discussed (beaten to death) in the urban legend group.

Sure, first, there is no "official" language in the USA.  There
is much discussion whether there should be one -- and a few 'not
politically correct' idiots even suggest it should be English.

Second, the major German immigration came after the establishment 
of the USA.  The major "minority" at the time of the Revolution
was Scotch-Irish (known today as Northern Irish Protestants).

Germans came in the 19th century, except for a few Hessians who
didn't go home after the Revolution.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 26 16:11:31 PDT 1996
Article: 83964 of soc.culture.german
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Subject: Re: Why is France systematically excluded?
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In article , Dan.Pop@cern.ch (Dan Pop) says:
>
>In <4vk4f6$d4r@cisun2000.unil.ch> jmosar@ulys.unil.ch (Jon Mosar) writes:
>
>>who ever said that the common net-language is english ??????
>
>Please enlighten us, what is the common language on the net?

Common, as in "every day" and "used by most".  Absolutely,
English is the "common" language of the Net, and, in fact,
the world's international discussions.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 26 16:11:32 PDT 1996
Article: 83983 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: lost friends
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In article <4vlnvh$fna@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, tinapeace@aol.com (Tina Peace) says:
>
>My mother, who is from Berlin, is in search of one of her best friends
>(also from Berlin) with whom she lost contact with as they moved around
>the U.S. Where would be a good place to search for this person? 

Post on bln.misc

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Mon Aug 26 16:11:33 PDT 1996
Article: 83985 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: Gemeinschafthaus (?)
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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 14:47:00 GMT
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In article <4vhr70$41p@alster.dkrz.de>, k206001@blitz.dkrz.de (Karlheinz Kobras) says:

>
>It can be a house built by the community for different activities
>of the citizens; the rooms can be rented by chess-clubs for instance.
>
>Theoretically it is also possible that you came across a building
>that is used by a religious community.

It was in western Virginia, USA.  And the house is a drug 
rehabilitation home, where the people living there form
a co-operative to do the household work.

But the name seemed strange to me.

GFH



From georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us Thu Aug 29 00:51:58 PDT 1996
Article: 84219 of soc.culture.german
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From: georgeh@www.comet.chv.va.us (George F. Hardy)
Subject: Re: www.art.sites?
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In article <4vv7uc$qso@jeeves.usfca.edu>, daviev00@ac.usfca.edu ( Eva Davidson) says:
>
>Does anyone know of any world-wide-web sites for art workes?


http://kalypso.cybercom.net/~jfl/hitler.html

GFH




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