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Contrary to Hollywood and  Office of War Information during WW2 not 
all French Belgium, and Dutch welcomed the arrival of the Allied 
Forces.  In fact some of the French and Belgium actually took up arms 
and joined with the Germans defending against the liberators. .  Two 
factors were mainly responsible for this. One, not  surprising they 
didn't take kindly to the destruction of their homes, and cities. The 
killing of their people by Allied bombs, tanks, and artillery. Simply 
put they were satisfied with their lot. Liberation brought war and 
desolation to their country.  Second was the conduct of the Allied 
forces, mainly American and British.  Compared to the strict 
discipline of the Wehrmacht where German soldiers were shot for 
incivility towards women. But whereas German army conduct was correct 
American soldiers were condemned to death by the hundreds.  454 
American soldiers were condemned to death and of these 70 were 
executed. Some by public executions.  At one time over 500 instances 
of rape a month being reported. 

British conduct was so bad that Montgomery wrote  to his commanders 
demanding they stamp out looting of French property. 

All this and more can be found in a report by John Eisenhower to SHAEF in 
the Dwight D Eisenhower Library, Abilene, Kansas. 



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From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
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From deep depression to exhilaration.  Thanks to Ross Vicksell Ditlieb 
Felderer is now receiving mail from all over the world.  Those of you 
who posted his plight on Internet has had a hand  in it. In fact from 
what he says now in his letter he is concerned that they will kick him 
out before he gets all the benefit out of his situation.
Following is a letter I received yesterday. 
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I am building quickly up Europe's first Revisionist Center from inside 
Gulag and Concentration Camp  in a 2 X 2 meter room.  Incredible.
     I will be needing addresses of our worst opposers.  Wiesenthal I 
have. He gets my material now from my Bundesprushelle in jail. and the 
Swedish Foreign Department must deliver it to him according to law. So 
in other words:  My opposers are now delivering prohibited material 
making them according to law responsible-not me. It is slowly sinking 
into them here.
     We have to act quick to generate as much push as possible as they 
may throw me out at any moment.  I am now doing criminal things right 
from jail and it is perfectly legal! Incredible!  They can't stop it!
     With friends help I can prove to Europe our laws are obsolete and 
we must adopt Article 19 .  Freedom of the mind and press in totality! 
This is Europe's renaissance.  I am working towards it with your help. 
Ask friends to try and get comments out of the Swedish consulate 
leaders.  Why is Rushdie praised? Why am I in jail?  

Ditlieb.



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To send encouragement or financial support to Ditlieb his current address 
in prison is 

Ditlieb Felderer 
Concentration Camp Gulag
Box 568,
184 25 Akersberga, Sweden

He also asks that you write various authorities and ask why he is in jail 
but Salaman Rushdie is not. Any comments you get back he would like 
you to send him. 

King of Sweden
Kungliga Slothet
111 30
Stockholm, Sweden 

Foreign Minister
Gustav Adolphs torg 1, S-103 23
Stockholm, Sweden


 


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From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
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Ditlieb Felderer, Concentration Camp, Gulag, Box 568, 184 25 
Akersberga, Sweden.  FAX: +854 06 05 44; +8 540 60 000.  I am allowed 
to make outside collect calls.  Ask media to contact me for  time and 
I shall call them back by collect call.  I am an expert on Freedom of 
Speech in Sweden.

There once raged bitter fights around such words as Homoousian, 
Homoiousian, Heterousian, Trinity, Hell, Virgin, etc.  One would think 
our 20th Century is spared over fights of words where people were 
banished killed, and tortured just because of this.  But here in 
Sweden my arrest and prison sentence is executed on my view of the 
Greek word "Holocaust."
     1.  Through the attestation of a {Professor om German, the 
Swedish State seeks to monopolize and certify a Hollywood Show act, 
and its use of the word Holocaust, hereafter written H.  The Professor 
agrees the word came into prominence with the TV show HOLOCAUST, 
thereby admitting it has to do with show and very little with facts.  
The Professor also claims that in antiquity the word is used in 
reference to honor the gods in offering animals which were completely 
burned up. Through this "expert opinion" one  seeks to stop my play of 
words with the word H. Where I have used such puns as: Caust me whole, 
Caustful, Causthappy, Caust not, can't Caust myself enough, do  you 
feel outcausted, etc.?
     2. It should be obvious that any way we turn, the word H. for 
esterminationsim is ludicrous.  
A few examples:   a.  What was offered were animals not people. But 
Hollywood H. claims "Jews were holocausted.  Are "Jews" animals? b)  
Unless the person offers himself, for we can hardly say of animals 
that they offer themselves, someone has to offer the "Jews",  Did 
Hitler offer up "burnt up jews"to Jehovah,   Moloch, Thor, odin, or 
what? c)  Greek offerings were happy occasions  of festivals with 
partaking of food, music, dance, and merriments.  Hollywood H. is made 
into the most  dreadful occasion ever. What relevance does Hollywood 
H. have with H antiquity?
     3.   There is a special word for extermination in Hebrew, 
"HEREM".Why did the Extermanionists propagandists not use this? 
Because the only ones having a program for mass slaughtering other 
people, Goyim, were the Hebrews and the word is in reference  to their 
slaughter.  
To push upon the Greeks and the Christian world something which they 
never had, one conjured up the term Holocaust, it being Greek, not 
Hebrew, thus  bringing planned extermination of people into the 
antique Christian world  They thereby killed two flies in one swap.  
Both were thrown into the mire.
     4    The first trace when  Talmudist tried this trick of smearing 
Goyims was in 1919 when a Talmudist magazine used the word H. together 
with 6 million exterminated.  It seems the Talmudists were desperate 
to throw upon Christianity their Herem, extermination fanaticism, but 
had to wait for the right occasion.
     5    In most cases when ancient Greeks holocausted animals in 
their festivals it was to use the animals for food and what was fully 
disposed off (burnt) were the intestines and not edible parts. These 
joyful festivals were not much different than those described by the 
Venerable Bede (Historia eccles. i.  I, c.30), when he cites the edict 
of Pope Gregory to prepare similar festivals as the heathen  in 
offering animals, but instead of honoring Satan, Honor God.  These 
offered animals were then consumed in a Church Festival. The animals 
were not "burnt up"  but  eaten up.
     6.   In the New Testament Jesus is referred to as a Holocaust 
(Heb. 10). He offered up himself for mankind to give life, not to 
impart death.  Jesus was never "burnt up", in fact not even his bones 
ere broken his body.  (John 19:31-33, 36. Thus his H. has no 
resemblance to the Hollywood extermination  gimmick. 
     7    Did "Jews" offer  themselves up for Hitler as H. offerings? 
If so what reality has  that  to do   with Hollywood Exterminationists 
dogma? Jesus offered himself up according to the bible (Ep. 5:2).  His 
H. death was to  impart life, not death. diametrically different from 
the H, dogma.
     8.   Is it prohibited by State law to construe new words or  use 
words in a different way?  I have used "caust" as a pun in many ways.  
The satirist Jonathan Swift construed many words in his Gullivers 
travels   : Laputa, Bulnibarbi, Clubbdubdrip, Luggnagg, etc. Perrault 
construed the Holocaustian monster "Orgo."  I designated 
"Exterminationism" as the  term for the religion of H. George Orwell 
construed: Newspeak, Artsem, Minitruth, Ownlife, Miniwell, Minilove, 
Oceania, Big Brother, Anti-sex, etc. Sweden has now adopted Middle Age 
censorship law in prohibiting words to be used unless they are 
sanctioned by the State.  Thus we are back in the time religious 
persecutions of the worst kind.
     9    Words are often meant differently according to belief.  To 
baptize meant different from the Baptists to Roman Catholics.  To 
Mormons  all non-Mormons are Gentiles while the    American Indians 
are "Jews" The Talmudist claim that the virgin mary mentioned in Mat.  
1:23 was a "whore." and that this word in Hebrew means so.  According 
to Mormons the  land of Promise is America.  While books have been 
written on this subject of word differences and new words. Every large 
College dictionary includes new words.  We could attack Swedens big 
brother system for demanding state approval of the use of words.
     10   The Hebrew word for  H. is OLAH.  It means to "raise up."sa 
Various interpretations have been gien but it certainly never was any 
planned extermination of people.
     11   When the heathens offered up animals they certainly did not 
burnt them up. According to the new Testament Paul states whether meat 
bought  of sacrificed animals by heathen could be eaten. (1 Cor. 8) 
Certainly one would not buy ashes or  coals to eat. 
     That the State assumes the role of authoritarian lawgiver of 
words of language that through man kinds's history always have evolved 
is unique. The closest we can get to it is Orwell's 1984 which role 
Sweden has taken.  Protest now to the  Swedish consul of your State 
and inform the media of this  flagrant violation of fundamental 
freedoms. 

  




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A CASE FOR IRAN'S PEN-CLUB?

On Friday the 2nd of December 1994 a man is carried on a stretcher 
into the Sodra Rosiags Municipal Court, Stockholm.  He is wrapped in 
something that looks like a sheet.  During the proceedings he is left 
lying on the floor. He refuses to speak in spite of the fact that he 
is the one  suspected of a crime. Obviously he uses some kind of non-
violent resistance, which might explain his Gandhian outfit.

On October the 12th the police broke into his apartment in the Stockholm 
suburb of Taby, searched through it and confiscated written material.  
Since then waiting for a sentence he has been detained in the Osteraker 
prison.

On the  same  day, December 2, another man  is sentenced in the Svea 
Court of Appeals, Stockholm. He has murdered his wife by electricity  
shocks and now gets 10 years in prison.  When the police come to his home 
to take him, not surprisingly he is away.  Answering the question why he 
had not been detained the chief prosecutor says to Affonbladet, on 3/12:

        

-He had behaved well and lived with his children. 

In Dagens Nyheter on the 4th of December Lars-Olof Franzen writes 
about "the lustful precision by which Rushdie challenges the  

religiousand moral taboos of fundamentalism".  Franzen further states, 
"One cannot expect that millions of illiterates in Asia and Africa will 
have any understanding for the tradition of enlightment where the right 
to blaspheme is s sound sign of reason". 

The man on the stretcher, who has been in jail now for almost two 
months, has never murdered, been violent, stolen and the like.  In 
letters to a few people he has  distributed drawings,which by their 
lack of taste are considered blasphemous because their questioning of 
the Nazi holocaust.  This taboo also among the self-appointed 
followers of enlightment.  

Serving Rushdie's example he should instead have mocked Muslim taboos 
thereby annoying millions of illiterates and others.  What now remains 
for the foolhardy man is to hope that some Pen-Club in Bangla Desh or 
Iran will find his poor drawings sufficiently blasphemous to the sure 
signs of reason. 






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From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
>He also asks that you write various authorities and ask why he is in jail 
>but Salaman Rushdie is not.

Um, I realize I'm dealing with the terminally confused here, but does
it occur to him that if Rushdie *were* in jail then he certainly would
be also?

Perhaps he meant to word that differently, but his letter repeats this
rather odd sentiment.

Is his desire for parity for Rushdie? Is there room in Felderer's cell?


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Michael Philips (mphilips@access1.digex.net) wrote:
: In article , Thomas Doyal  wrote:
: >To send encouragement or financial support to Ditlieb his current address 
: >in prison is 
: >
: >Ditlieb Felderer 
: >Concentration Camp Gulag
: >Box 568,
: >184 25 Akersberga, Sweden
: >
: >He also asks that you write various authorities and ask why he is in jail 
: >but Salaman Rushdie is not. Any comments you get back he would like 
: >you to send him. 
: >
: >King of Sweden
: >Kungliga Slothet
: >111 30
: >Stockholm, Sweden 
: >
: >Foreign Minister
: >Gustav Adolphs torg 1, S-103 23
: >Stockholm, Sweden

: I would think the King of Sweden and the Swedish Foreign Minister are not 
: necessarily the key persons involved in putting someone in jail or 
: setting them free.  First we need to know what Federer is charged with.

: --Michael Philips 

Something about distributing pornography. (in Sweden?) Ask the 
authorities for a complete explanation. 
Doyal@eskimo.com


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From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
>     4    The first trace when  Talmudist tried this trick of smearing 
>Goyims was in 1919 when a Talmudist magazine used the word H. together 
>with 6 million exterminated.

Sorry Doyal and Felderer, but when Gannon repeated this nonsense here
the original article was located and it was utter bullshit. Not a
matter of opinion, utter and willful bullshit. That's not what the
article said at all.

Even Gannon backed off on that one when confronted with the text of
the article.

Here's the relevant text again, no one was claimed to have been
exterminated. It just says that post-war (WWI) conditions in 1919 were
so serious in Europe that 6 million Jews (this is an appeal for Jewish
donations) run the risk of starvation etc. That's all. No different
than your typical "feed the children" ad on TV...The six million
number being the approximate number of Jews in the affected post-war
zone:

--------------------

Here are some excerpts from "The Crucifiction of Jews Must Stop!" by Martin
H. Glynn, _The American Hebrew_, October 31, 1919, p. 582.

        From across the sea six million men and women call to us for help, and
eight hundred thousand little children cry for bread....

        In the face of death, in the throes of starvation there is no place for
mental distinctions of creed, no place for physical differentiations of race.
In this catastrophe, when six million human beings are being whirled towards the
grave by a cruel and relentless fate, only the most idealistic promptings of
human nature should sway the heart and move the hand.

        Six million men and women are dying from lack of the necessities of
life; eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them
through no fault of their own, through no transgression of the laws of God
or man; but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish
blood.

        In this threatened holocaust of human life, forgotten are the niceties
of philosophical distinction, forgotten are the differences of historical
interpretation; and the determination to help the helpless, to shelter the
homeless, to clothe the naked and to feed the hungry becomes a religion at
whose altar men of every race can worship and women of every creed can kneel...

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It has come to my attention that Felderer is not in prison for denying
the holocaust per se, as described by doyal and himself on this group,
but rather for publishing pornographic (or at least "of explicit
content") anti-jewish hate cartoons and the like, and in particular
sending them to jewish organizations and individuals with the intent
of harassment.

So, is Felderer's claim that this has something to do with his *also*
not believing the holocaust occurred (my, how surprising, same
baggage, whoever they are, and wherever they go!) just a red herring?

Why the silence on the specifics about the charges against Felderer?

Why all the vagaries about Rushdie etc?

Why not just lay it out?

Note the obtuse reference to what I am describing:

From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
>Serving Rushdie's example he should instead have mocked Muslim taboos 
>thereby annoying millions of illiterates and others.  What now remains 
>for the foolhardy man is to hope that some Pen-Club in Bangla Desh or 
>Iran will find his poor drawings sufficiently blasphemous to the sure 
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>signs of reason. 

Now I don't necessarily believe such behavior should be criminally
actionable (tho if he's harassing people rather than just letting them
find his bilge that's another matter), but I also resent like hell
being fed bullshit by doyal et al about all this.

It's a little difficult to form an opinion one way or the other when
one knows they're being lied to.

The silence around here has been deafening on the precise charges
against Felderer.


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Barry Shein (bzs@world.std.com) wrote:

: From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
: >Contrary to Hollywood and  Office of War Information during WW2 not 
: >all French Belgium, and Dutch welcomed the arrival of the Allied 
: >Forces.  In fact some of the French and Belgium actually took up arms 
: >and joined with the Germans defending against the liberators.

: Um, point of information, please?

: Have you ever found anyone (well, anyone who's ever given any of this
: a moment's thought) who finds the above statement surprising?

: I seem to remember a word, yes, ... *collaborators*, they hung a lot
: of those right after the war, right?

: Now, why did they come up with a word like "collaborators", and even
: hang bunches of them, if there's this vast conspiracy to claim they
: never existed? Seems a bit contradictory, don't you think?

: Do you mean Hollywood denies the existence of Petaine and the Vichy
: government? My, I'd like to see some good evidence for that!

: I'm sure your general description contains some truth, but I doubt
: these were the principle reasons for collaborators.

: It does occur to one that quite a few individuals simply benefitted
: from the Nazi occupation, directly. Why is that so difficult to
: understand? Some people obviously thought their lot in life was better
: with the Nazis, that's not shocking nor news. No one denies the Nazis
: benefitted some people.

: I mean, say what you like, but cannibals don't go to bed hungry!

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Ken Mcvay (kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca) wrote:
: In article  jeff_brown@pol.com (Jeffrey G. Brown) writes:

: >In article , doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal) wrote:

: >> We'll McVay has arrived. (Again)  Got mentioned on CNN tonight. Is this 
: >> just more of the attempt to shut off free speech for Revisionists? 

: >Absolutely, Doyal. Every single time someone you don't like gets mentioned
: >on CNN, you can be sure it's a personal slap in the face from your mortal
: >enemies, da Jooos.

: >> Expect more of this in the future. Tbe tie in was with ponography.  
: >> Pornography is bad and should be banned. McVay fights hateful 
: >> Revisionists.  Revisionists should be banned.    

: >Nice, vague (and misspelled) statement there. Who tied what in with
: >pornography? Mr. McVay? The CNN reporter? Some third party also
: >interviewed for the piece?

: >This sort of hand-waving hysteria is typical of revisionist thinking, such
: >as it is.


: Actually, I'd be happy to refer all media requests to Doyal - he's
: not far from Vancouver, and I'm certain the CBC would be delighted
: to give him an opportunity to speak his mind.... If he wants to
: speak to the CBC producer who worked on the piece (which CNN
: apparently picked up), he can write to netnews@toronto.cbc.ca. If
: he'd like to present his views, all he has to do is let me know, and
: I will refer every single media inquiry to him.

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They are using you. You are not using them.  If I want to tell CBC 
anything I'll do it myself.


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From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
Subject: Re: DAVID IRVING TO SPEAK IN BERKELEY
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MARTELLK@DELPHI.COM (MARTELLK@news.delphi.com) wrote:
: On October 13, 1994, a riot broke out when the British Historian David 
: Irving spoke in Berkeley.  Irving was re-invited to speak at the UC 
: Berkeley campus by the Berkeley Free Speech Coalition, a registered  
: student group.  The UC administration, under pressure from Rabbi Rona 
: Shapiro of the Berkeley Hillel and others cancelled his campus 
: appearance.  The student group appealed the decision, and have been 
: granted the right to invite Irving to speak sometime in early February 
: 1995.  We are looking for a historian to debate Mr. Irving concerning the 
: Holocaust.  We believe that the best way to resolve controversial issues, 
: is not to supress free speech, but to engage in  discussion and debate.  
: Any assistance in locating a suitable speaker will be appreciated.

Have you tried Debra Lipstad?

Doyal@eskimo.com



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From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
Subject: Ditlieb Felderer
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 Without a warning, on the 12th   October Ditlieb Felderer's home was 
suddenly invaded by a special task force trying at first to bore 
themselves into my home. All this in clear violation of UN article 17. 
I had not been informed by the police beforehand of what my "crime" 
was supposed to be. 
     The task force searched for a data machine, obviously hoping to 
get hold of addresses but as I had none they cold not find one. I was 
at once, under escort and thrown into jail. 
     In the meantime, the police had the entire apartment for 
themselves, confiscating photographs of me, letters, envelopes, books, 
bulletiners, yes  the famous book WITCH HAMMER by Sprenger in English, 
first published around 1486 in Latin. was  confiscated.  It is the 
main book o instructing how "Witches" are to be tortured and 
interrogated and how their homes are to be searched. 
     But they also confiscated my private address list which includes 
such address as Amnesty International, United Nations Human Rights at 
Geneva and New York.   UNESCO, Article 19 in London and other Human 
Rights groups. The court denied me any of  these addresses.  The Court 
also decided that all the confiscated material is to be burned up! I 
am appealing this flagrant violation an authors home and State 
despotism of  this on par with Orwell 1984 and KGB Communism.
     Everything was done to totally isolate me.  Little by little I 
was able to make contacts.  While in jail I have been denied all 
"minimum rights" for my defense, not even being allowed the addresses 
of my witnesses whom I want to call for the trial. They are fearfully 
afraid of me having any contacts with the prisoners least I infect 
them with my points.
     Due to me knowing several languages and my vast journalistic 
experience they have not succeeded in all they wished and I am now 
building up a network of  propaganda inside my 2 by 2m concrete cell 
to battle from the inside of the walls as ideas are stronger than 
concrete walls,.  I Encourage all people who value free speech liberty 
for all to write me and to contact the public media, making them aware 
of this political persecution, and request from the Swedish 
Authorities specific details of my incarceration in Gulag, and after   
this once more reminding them of article 19 of UN and to respect 
freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and freedom of politics.

Sweden's Department o f Justice, Box 20599, s-104 60 Stockholm, 
Sweden. The main ones behind it is: Sweden's Foreign Department, 
Gustav Adolphs torg 1, S-103 23 Stockholm, Sweden.  Address your 
complaints to the Swedish Foreign Minister and Sweden's Minister of 
justice.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
                  Jan.3, 1995

From deep depression to exhilaration.  Thanks to Ross Vicksell Ditlieb 
Felderer is now receiving mail from all over the world.  Those of you 
who posted his plight on Internet has had a hand  in it. In fact from 
what he says now in his letter he is concerned that they will kick him 
out before he gets all the benefit out of his situation.
Following is a letter I received yesterday. 
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I am building quickly up Europe's first Revisionist Center from inside 
Gulag and Concentration Camp  in a 2 X 2 meter room.  Incredible.
     I will be needing addresses of our worst opposers.  Wiesenthal I 
have. He gets my material now from my Bundesprushelle in jail. and the 
Swedish Foreign Department must deliver it to him according to law. So 
in other words:  My opposers are now delivering prohibited material 
making them according to law responsible-not me. It is slowly sinking 
into them here.
     We have to act quick to generate as much push as possible as they 
may throw me out at any moment.  I am now doing criminal things right 
from jail and it is perfectly legal! Incredible!  They can't stop it!
     With friends help I can prove to Europe our laws are obsolete and 
we must adopt Article 19 .  Freedom of the mind and press in totality! 
This is Europe's renaissance.  I am working towards it with your help. 
Ask friends to try and get comments out of the Swedish consulate 
leaders.  Why is Rushdie praised? Why am I in jail?  

Ditlieb.





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Subject: Re: Ditlieb Felderer
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>Something about distributing pornography. (in Sweden?) Ask the 
>authorities for a complete explanation. 
>Doyal@eskimo.com

Fine, and why don't you ask the authorities for donations.

-- 
        -Barry Shein

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>I'll match my battle stars against yours any day. 
>Doyal@eskimo.com  3rd Inf. Div. Arty. WW2

I'm sorry, but was this supposed to be a response to this note?

Sir, I think you are in retreat!


Barry Shein (bzs@world.std.com) wrote:

: From: doyal@eskimo.com (Thomas Doyal)
: >Contrary to Hollywood and  Office of War Information during WW2 not 
: >all French Belgium, and Dutch welcomed the arrival of the Allied 
: >Forces.  In fact some of the French and Belgium actually took up arms 
: >and joined with the Germans defending against the liberators.

: Um, point of information, please?

: Have you ever found anyone (well, anyone who's ever given any of this
: a moment's thought) who finds the above statement surprising?

: I seem to remember a word, yes, ... *collaborators*, they hung a lot
: of those right after the war, right?

: Now, why did they come up with a word like "collaborators", and even
: hang bunches of them, if there's this vast conspiracy to claim they
: never existed? Seems a bit contradictory, don't you think?

: Do you mean Hollywood denies the existence of Petaine and the Vichy
: government? My, I'd like to see some good evidence for that!

: I'm sure your general description contains some truth, but I doubt
: these were the principle reasons for collaborators.

: It does occur to one that quite a few individuals simply benefitted
: from the Nazi occupation, directly. Why is that so difficult to
: understand? Some people obviously thought their lot in life was better
: with the Nazis, that's not shocking nor news. No one denies the Nazis
: benefitted some people.

: I mean, say what you like, but cannibals don't go to bed hungry!
-- 
        -Barry Shein

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Subject: Re: Ditlieb Felderer
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Richard Schultz (schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: In article , Thomas Doyal  wrote:

: >Ditlieb Felderer 
: >Concentration Camp Gulag
: >Box 568,
: >184 25 Akersberga, Sweden

: This is undoubtedly a really dumb question, but is the name of the
: prison Felderer is in really "Concentration Camp Gulag"?  Are you sure
: he's not in "Konzentrationslager Gulag"?
: --


: 					Richard Schultz

: "You don't even have a clue as to which clue you're missing." -- Miss Manners

That is the way he put it.  English is not his first  language of course. 

Doyal


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Keith Morrison (t08o@lysithea.sun.csd.unb.ca) wrote:
: Look, before everyone starts foaming at the mouth, mayhaps they should
: remember that big bad evil Canada is such a tyranny that we have been
: twice named as the best country in the world in which to live, we are
: respected internationally as peacekeepers, etc etc.

Yeh Yeh, Except for those Canada put  jail or tried to put in fail, for 
trying to use free speech.  LIke Keegstra, Zundel etc. 

(snip)  

Doyal@eskimo.com


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Jamie McCarthy (k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu) wrote:
: golux@mcs.com (The only Golux in the World, and not a mere Device) wrote:

: > Any seconds?  Do we have a quorum?

: I second.  A quorum will be difficult to judge given an unknown quantity
: of lurkers.


: My immediate reaction to the challenge:

:    "help design some effective strategies and technologies
:     to combat the bigots"

: was:  we have already done so, and have already put our designs into
: action.  Our technologies are newsreaders and Web servers.  Our strategies
: are letting them make fools of themselves, pointing out when they lie,
: asking them questions until they back into a corner, and documenting
: everything so future readers don't have to take our word for anything.

: That is the best way to "combat the bigots."

: The Rabbi speaks of "safeguarding our kids from the purveyors of hate."
: I usually resent people who seek to advance restrictions on all citizens
: by pointing to children and saying "we must protect them!"  However, I
: doubt Rabbi Cooper is saying that.

I would suppose Rabbi Cooper will resent you saying he doesn't know what 
he is talking about. He knows full well what he is talking about.  It's 
censorship.  Period!



: The best way to "safeguard our kids" is for parents to lock them out of
: certain newsgroups, or lock certain killfiles into place.  (Not that I'd
: necessarily do that with my kids, but that's one solution.)  Unfortunately,
: there isn't a standard proposed or accepted that deals with password-
: protection of newsreaders and news servers.  Perhaps Al Gore will
: encourage the proposal of such a standard, who knows.

: But I sincerely hope that that's all that's done on this issue.  If we're
: speaking of kids, sure, parents can do whatever's legal that they want to
: do, and the First Amendment doesn't come into it, and I'm all for
: increasing the amount of control that parents can have over their
: children's access to the Internet.  But if we're speaking of adults, then
: the free marketplace of ideas will show bigots to be bigots and liars
: to be liars.  That marketplace may not act as quickly as a government
: order, but it is infinitely more effective, and I hope Rabbi Cooper
: understands that.
: -- 
:  Jamie McCarthy   Internet: k044477@hobbes.kzoo.edu   AppleLink: j.mccarthy
:  "The Jewish people will be exterminated...it's in our program."  - Himmler
:  "Until you find a reference to gas chambers, you can forget about long,
:   drawn-out discussions of Himmler's speeches."                     - Raven



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