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From: doyal@connected.com (Chuck)
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Subject: hostages
Date: 11 Jul 1994 10:02:23 -0700
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During the occupation of Germany Eisenhower issued a command ordering 
the shooting of 125 hostages for every Americn Soldier killed by 
Germans.  He never had to use it because the Germans didn't cause any 
problems. 

"Chuck"
Hq Btry 3rd Inf. Div. Arty WW2



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From: doyal@connected.com (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: Re(2): Reports (was Hostages)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (Jeffrey_G._Brown@pol.com) wrote:
: Berg writes:

: >I admit that I did not give any support for my assertion as to the 
: >looting that American GIs did in Germany but I am sure there are 
: >enough written reports if you take the trouble to look for them.  

: No, Berg. I will not do your homework for you. _You_ tell _me_ where the
: proof for your assertion exists. Otherwise, your assertion is baseless.


There was no restraint against looting by GIs in Germany following WW2 or 
during the war.  What they could send home in the mail was ok.  The only 
problem was that within a few weeks Customs in the US began X raying 
packages and intercepted illegal material. I personally know machine guns 
etc sent in until X raying began. Looting was and is called souvenier 
hunting.
Large objects too big to be mailed would be disassembled and sent 
piecemeal. Any  GI there during that period will confirm this.  There are 
a few items I'd like to return if I could. In fact I tried when I went to 
Germany the last time. Anyone who  thinks looting did not go on is 
incredibly naive. Pillage is what it was actually.

Raping, Looting.  That was the American army.  Only rape was not 
necessary for the GI as there were so many starving women that it was not 
necessary

I know... I was there. Sad to say.  


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Article: 14081 of alt.revisionism
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From: doyal@connected.com (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: time factor
Date: 19 Jul 1994 18:10:27 -0700
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Chris Sanderson (cisande@gamma.std.com) wrote:
: Heres an interesting fact I've not seen talked about here on
: a.r.
: The Nazis controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945, which is really
: only 12 years. Yet it is now 50 years after the defeat of
: Germany, and the Nazi supporters are around in greater numbers.
: I find that ratio fascinating, after a period 4-fold that of the
: entire Nazi rule, they are still here. It would be like militant
: Egyptians calling for a return to Pharoes, or Italians wanting a
: return of the Roman Empire. Historically, how long does it take
: for this sort of thing to finally die out??

Every day A and E, Discovery, Public TV, Network TV keeps fighting WW2 
with their old combat film. When are they going to lay it to rest? 


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Article: 14189 of alt.revisionism
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From: doyal@connected.com (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: Hostages Etc.
Date: 22 Jul 1994 22:59:41 -0700
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Irving Hexham (hexham@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: 	So Peter says that most American troops were killed by
: friendly fire. And, predictably most yanks reject his analysis. 

: 	Since my father was almost killed by American bombers
: which attacked a British base I sympathize with Peter's viewpoint
: tho' I know he is wrong.

: 	On a serious note tho' it ought to be recognized that
: most American, British and German accounts of the war are biased
: and that while Peter's views may be wrong they contain some
: truth. If we could begin to recognize the dynamics of this debate
: in terms of the sociology of deviance it might help prevent
: people reacting too quickly to remarks which might not be
: fascist.

: 	By labling folk like Peter as a neo-Nazi the only winners
: are neo-Nazis. He may be, but then again he may be a decent
: German fed up with Anglo-American propaganda. Unless we admit
: that there is a lot of propaganda out there we play into the
: neo-Nazi ideology.

: 	Before you get upset with these remarks I sugest that
: netters reading this also read up on the sociology of deviance,
: esspecially Stanly Cohen, ed, IMAGES OF DIVIANCE, Harmmondsworth,
: Penguin, 1969  - the date may be off by a year or so.

: 	I don't believe that most people on the net are really
: neo, pseudo, crypto, or any other sort of Nazi. There may be
: exceptions, but in general I think most of the so-called
: revisionists are genuinely confused and sincere in their beliefs.
: Therefore, the issue becomes one of convincing them that they are
: wrong not damming them to hell.


There seems to be a lot of doubt by some as  to the amount of looting that 
went on during the war and occupation of Germany. As one who was there I 
can assure you it went on almost unrestricted by the officers. I have 
loot to prove it. (sorry to say now) The only thing I can say for myself 
is that I was small potatoes compared to some.    


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From: doyal@connected.com (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: Shermer's Mistake
Date: 22 Jul 1994 23:03:26 -0700
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Richard Schultz (schultz@garnet.berkeley.edu) wrote:

: In the section of his article "Common Fallacies of Fringe Groups" in
: the article "Proving the Holocuast", Shermer himself makes a 
: mistake -- promulgating a lie that originated with Holocaust 
: revisionism:

: >. . .they call attention
: >to the historians' reduction of the number killed at Auschwitz from four
: >million to one million, calling it "the incredible shrinking Holocaust,"
: >as if historians never make revisions).

: Actually, "historians" never *claimed* that four million people were
: killed at Auschwitz.  The original claim of historians was that about
: one million people were killed at Auschwitz, and almost all of them
: were Jews.  My books are not available to me at the moment, but I 
: recall Dawidowicz in "The War Against the Jews" quoting Hoess's 
: inflated number and the historically accepted number as well.
: The postwar Polish government, for obvious political purposes, inflated
: the total number killed to four million, of whom about one million were
: Jews.  Recently, the memorial at Auschwitz was revised to reflect the
: truth, that almost everyone killed there was Jewish.  But note that this
: "revision" does *not* affect the number of Jews believed to have been
: killed there.  This was all discussed in an article a few months ago in 
: The New Yorker magazine.

: 					Richard Schultz

Were they from the fumes of diesel engines?


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From: doyal@connected.com (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: Friedrich Berg: The spittle floweth...
Date: 24 Jul 1994 14:41:50 -0700
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Ross Vicksell (codfish@netcom.com) wrote:
: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay) writes:


: >   Hitler saved our ass? From what? A Soviet empire that fell
: >   completely apart in the space of a few months? Great perspective
: >   there, Mr. Berg.... 

: Now who's sweeping stuff under the carpet.  Or is that 45 years of cold 
: war I lived through just something I imagined?

:                   Ross Vicksell

try 45 years in prison Mcvay and see if it is a few months. Besides how 
many 10s of millions were murdered in those "few" months.
Chuck


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From: doyal@connected.com (Chuck)
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Subject: nothing can be concealed forver
Date: 24 Jul 1994 15:01:07 -0700
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Fred Berg read this and take heart. Mcvay read it and weep.

Quote from "Special Tasks"  By Pavel Sudoplatov. Little, Brown and Company 
P. 284

"The legacy of these tragic events must be taken into account in the 
making of future policies.  History shows that no top-secret decisions no 
secret crimes or terrorist  plans, can be concealed forever.  This is one 
of the great lessons of the breakdown of the Soviet Union and Communist 
part rule.  Once the dam is broken, the flood of secret information is 
uncontrollable."

The truth is on the march and no amount of lies will control it. 
Revisionism, the intellectual adventure of the 20th century.   

Chuck



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Article: 7849 of alt.skinheads
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From: doyal@connected.com (Chuck)
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Subject: aryan nations
Date: 31 Jul 1994 23:12:20 -0700
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Anyone who would like a videotape of the Aryan Nations Congress just 
completed at Hayden Lake Idaho please contact me by E mail to make 
arrangements.  It will consist of  one 6 hour tape at extended  play and 
one two hour tape at standard play. All the events and speeches  from 
start to finish are in them.  The Church of Jesus Christ Christian held 
the Congress at Hayden Lake.  About 15 to 20 various orginazations were 
represented.  Including, KKK, National Socialists and so on.  Speaking 
were Richard Butler, J B Stoner, Louis Beam, writer for Jubilee, Chris 
Temple writer for Jubilee and many others. The highlight of the event was 
the Cross lighting. Three huge crosses were constructed in true KKK 
fashion and lit during a ceremony after dark. 

This tape is unedited and as it happened.  If you want best quality 
contact me for a special copying at standard speed. If anyone is 
interested in showing them on Public Access TV I have edited them down to 
5 one  hour tapes.  They are ready to go. 
For a special treat for Skinheads two Skinhead weddings are included 
performed by Pastor Butler. 

This is great for anti-skinheads as it shows the Aryan Nations as they 
are.  This is what you've been looking for.  First hand evidence of 
Skinhead and Aryan racist beliefs.  No punches are pulled.  It's all 
right out in the open. Hard core! 

Total of 8 hours.


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