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From alec@gryn.org Fri Nov  1 16:38:51 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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<*[*] [*] [Richard Whitehouse] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Roland MK80 Rhodes 88-key] [28 Oct 96 15:54][*][0]*>

 RW> To: ALL
 RW> Subject: Roland MK80 Rhodes 88-key

 RW> Roland MK80 88-key Rhodes piano/midi controller

Naughty boy! Your sysop is not happy with you!

Your access is ganz kaput!

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From alec@gryn.org Sat Nov  2 09:31:02 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: The Criminal Giwer Can't Read English
Date: 01 Nov 96 09:44:53
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<*[*] [*] [Yale F. Edeiken] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: The Criminal Giwer Can't Read English] [29 Oct 96 22:35][*][0]*>

 YE>   The criminal Giwer claims, of course, that he is not an
 YE> anti-Semite.  Strange how he fits in so well with most of the
 YE> other "revisionists' around here.

I'm sorry, but even though Matt has committed criminal acts, he is
not a criminal.

It is true thruout North America that a person must be mentally
competent to be considered a criminal and Matt does not fit that
category.

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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov  4 15:39:34 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
Date: 03 Nov 96 23:40:00
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [01 Nov 96
05:05][*][0]*>


 H> Is it not also libelous to call Matthias Giwer a criminal
 H> without fair trial?

Nope! Libel law doesn't prevent saying that you think someone is a
criminal.

Libel Law would be involved if, say, someone claimed that Matt
buggered 4 children.

So - calling Matt a fruitcake isn't libel. Claiming that Matt wears
a colander to bed and runs thru the streets howling at 2 AM is - if
he doesn't do it.

 H> Giwer was under considerable duress and influenced by anger at
 H> the fact that his parents where receiving the unwanted attention
 H> of someone out there who had intent to harass Mr. Giwer.  If it

Oh cut the crap! Somebody calls up a Matthias Giwer, looking to see
if Matt really is who he claims he is.

One non-confrontational phone call is hardly the cause for supposed
duress enough to justify Matt's actions.

Matt's a paranoid little nothing who needs to feel important. Big
deal!

 H> As for extortion?  Hardly, for in order for extortion to take
 H> place, the side attempting the extortion must have some power
 H> over the other.  In this case it is clear that the two parties

False. Extortion could involve *SUPPOSED* power, or even simply
"I'll make a nuisance of myself and keep you so busy in a courtroom
that you'll go bankrupt."

 H> could take place without some EXTREME effort.  This merely shows
 H> as a threat, made in a moment of emotional duress, and should be
 H> treated as such.

Why? There was no reason for this supposed duress in any sane man's
mind.

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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov  5 17:44:53 PST 1996
Article: 78582 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
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Subject: Re: U.L. tax on gentiles safty! (was Re: Aluminum foil contains pork?)
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Kurt Stele wrote:
> 
> Doesn't matter.  The laws enforce specific Jewish religious laws under a vague standard,
> both are unconstitutional and Jews get away with it, of course.
> 
> Kurt Stele
> 

Then post just one of these laws.

So far you haven't even come up with one law.


From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov  5 17:44:54 PST 1996
Article: 78595 of alt.revisionism
From: Alec Grynspan 
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NotThisis Aforgery wrote:
> 
> 
>         It is not fraud with regard to the standard only as to the approving agency.

Want to try this in court oh ignorant one?

It is fraud as to standard, since the agency that supplies the seal sets
the standard for that seal - period.

> 
> =====
> Read the information holohuggers love
> http://www.kaiwan.com/~ihrgreg Institute for Historic Revisionism
> http://www.codoh.com/ Committee for Open Debate On the Holocaust
> http://www.webcom.com/ezundel/english/ Ernst Zundel, Threat to Canadian Security
> http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html the dark side
> http://www.air-photo.com/ what was really there
> http://www.adam.com.au/~fredadin/adins/html ADELAIDE
> Nizkor: A vast whorehouse of holocaust information


From alec@gryn.org Fri Nov  8 10:57:28 PST 1996
Article: 78851 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
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Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 12:19:52 -0500
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> I checked it out the other day Alec, and apart from the fact that you use OS/2
> (which surprised me not a bit, given your demonstrated intelligence), I
> noticed that the Matt entry is a bit on the sparse side.  Of course, Matt's
> "contributions" are a bit on the sparse side too, so maybe I missed the
> message.  :-)

There's plenty more to come.

Ken Mcvay got a chunk for his site and I'm pulling a chunk for mine,
preformatted, from his.

Now that I finally have a scanner set up, I'll be able to scan in some
material that Matt should start screaming about in a very royal fashion.


From alec@gryn.org Fri Nov  8 10:57:29 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...
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<*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Pellets, shower, porous pillars...] [04 Nov 96 22:01][*][0]*>

 >>> Shipping unaccaptables to be merely gassed is ridiculously
 >>> inefficient.

 >> Rail transport is ridiculously cheap.

 KS> Rail transport plus inmate upkeep plus guards, supplies and
 KS> maintenance is nothing compared with a single bullet.

A very profitable venture.

The Jews were forced to pay for these "services" - at more than
cost.

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From alec@gryn.org Fri Nov  8 10:57:30 PST 1996
Article: 78907 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month
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<*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (] [04
Nov 96 03:41][*][0]*>


 KS> The state laws specifically enforce Jewish kosher laws.

What state laws, Kurt?

My lawyer friend has CDs JUST LOADED with state laws. Would you like
me to send you a few for you to get the exact citation?

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From alec@gryn.org Sun Nov 10 06:53:27 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie
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<*[*] [*] [tom moran] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: England to Enforce the Holocaust Lie] [05 Nov 96 09:52][*][0]*>

 >> but you still have not refuted that Jewish representation in
 >> manual labor and blue collars jobs is the lowest of any group.

 tm>   When the hands do something they are directed by the mind.

Then you say that the Jewish mind is able to do better than manual
labour?

Are you saying that Jews don't do manual labour? Don't say that at
any kibbutz if you don't want to be laughed out of there.

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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: More stupidity from the lips of Hardwire.
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: More stupidity from the lips of Hardwire.] [06 Nov 96 16:39][*][0]*>

 H> default is always outdated.  Really funny that you'd not try and
 H> use INFORMATION, you know, 411 (or 1411 depending on the area
 H> you're in, and when that fails, just 0).

Information calls (411, ect) cost.

Let's see, now. We make calls to areacodes all over the place. The
operator asks us for what city. We guess, being all-knowledgable
about every possible combination, and miss. Then we get a hit, using
your infantile method - and a Matt Giwer Sr responds, being the
first one we stumble across.

Or we search and find one name on Switchboard, which is often as
accurate as the operator's information and sometimes more so.

One costs 20+ dollars to get the wrong person. The other zilch.

Your ignorance betrays you.

 H> And... I don't HAVE to prove harassment...

 H> I'm just here to annoy you.

You don't annoy. You merely amuse.

If you became annoying enough to someone, he might simply killfile
you.

If you became excessively annoying, he might just nuke you via a
UDP.

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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 11 07:03:40 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [06 Nov 96
09:59][*][0]*>

 >> Now you're claiming to be Jewish?!?!?
 >>

 H> Now you're claiming to be a Traitor!?!?

No - I'm no more a traitor than you are sane.

 H> More traitorous statements care of one Alec Grynspan.

You certainly are getting twisted out of shape for somebody who's
here to "find out for himself". Just like any revisionist.

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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 11 07:03:41 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [06 Nov 96
09:52][*][0]*>

 H> With his parents?  Oh why don't you cut out the "crap"?!  Are

Thank you for revealing yourself, foolish one.

1. Which Matthias Giwer was really turfed for being a revolting
   alcoholic? The son, the father or the grandson?

 H> are you desperately trying to take heat off of yourself now that
 H> you've decided to add "traitor" to your title as well as
 H> "deadbeat" by harranging Giwer?  I wouldn't have believed that

Deadbeat?!? I have a very nice job, with my own corporation and very
satisfied clients.

2. Traitor? Now you reveal more.

 H> it could be so, until I heard from this newsgroup that you were
 H> once a friend of Giwer's on the newsgroups.  Now you've turned

3. No - but thanks for revealing even more.

   I was very specific from day 1 that I was never Matt's friend.

 H> tail and joined the opposition in a weak attempt to gain
 H> acceptance by denouncing your former relationship with him.

4. A viewpoint like this can only come from a fool. My first message
   in here in 2 years was not as a friend. None since were as a
   friend.

   Matt was equally specific back then as to the fact that I was not
   his friend, changing that to lend himself credibility with his
   nonsense stories - which I stated were nonsense.

 H> You make me sick Grynspan, go back and crawl under the rock that
 H> you came out from under.

The only rocks here are occupied by you.

 H> Let me call your parents to ask for information about you,
 H> disregarding that your name and phone number can be checked by
 H> calling information, and let's see if you don't get a little
 H> agitated.

Go to one of the online white pages. look up Alec Grynspan. Only
one. Look up A. Grynspan. More than one. Look up Matt Giwer. The
first number, if there's more than one, is the father.

Call my parents. Ask if he's Alec grynspan or that you're trying to
reach Alec Grynspan. They may tell you if they feel like it.

And - no - they won't feel "threatened".

Only an alcoholic delusional paranoid would think that.

 >> Matt's a paranoid little nothing who needs to feel important.
 >> Big deal!

 H> And you don't?  Run back home little man.  Giwer may be a lot of
 H> things, but at least he isn't a TRAITOR.

No, I'm not a nothing that needs to feel important. No, I'm not a
traitor.

And I am home.

You're the one with feelings of insecurity with no rock over his
head.

 >> Why? There was no reason for this supposed duress in any sane
 >> man's mind.

 H> Which you apparently aren't Grynspan, go home, give it up, take
 H> your medication.

Hmmmm! You're starting to lose it already!

Even less stable than I thought!

 H> Traitor.

Grynspan.

++GMAIL 1.3++ A cat will blink when struck with a hammer.
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From alec@gryn.org Wed Nov 13 06:27:47 PST 1996
Article: 79239 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Repost of Response To Stele
Date: 08 Nov 96 11:41:37
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Repost of Response To Stele] [06 Nov 96 10:21][*][0]*>

 H> Get thee hence, TRAITOR.  If you had ONE ounce of spine, you
 H> might just qualify for a jellyfish role in life.

Bingo!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Your reality cheque just bounced.
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From alec@gryn.org Fri Nov 15 06:32:21 PST 1996
Article: 79521 of alt.revisionism
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:21:06 -0600
From: alec@gryn.org
Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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In article <847982360.5832.3@vertigo.combase.com>,
    Hardwire  wrote:
> "Son of Free Speech".. hmm sounds great to me.

Hardly. Try "Son of ignorance."
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:12 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [14 Nov 96
04:33][*][0]*>


 H> ???  Were you people born this stupid, or did you have to
 H> practice at it?

Nobody is trying to imitate you. You're doing fine by yourself.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:13 PST 1996
Article: 79897 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism
Subject: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [13 Nov 96
06:33][*][0]*>

 H> When you get the intelligence necessary to recognize sarcasm
 H> please, do let us know.

When you have the intelligence to create any, let us know.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:14 PST 1996
Article: 79939 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Now it's SEVEN !?! million
Date: 15 Nov 96 10:44:33
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<*[*] [*] [tom moran] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Now it's SEVEN !?! million] [13 Nov 96 11:07][*][0]*>

 tm> be finding the claim that the other 5, 6, 7 million non Jews
 tm> said to have been killed in the Holocaust were really Jewish.
 tm> Maybe it might even hit a 100,000,000, a 1,000,000,000.
 tm> Who knows? There seems to be no limits to the exaggeration
 tm> technique.

Did your mother drop you on your head as a baby or is it genetic?

++GMAIL 1.3++ This man is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:15 PST 1996
Article: 79942 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help
Date: 15 Nov 96 10:37:42
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [13 Nov 96
06:43][*][0]*>

 >> Perhaps you will someday present evidence that this is how
 >> ISPs operate rather than just making it up as you go.

 H> Why?  You seem to make up the evidence purportedly received FROM
 H> them as you go, why shouldn't I join in the folly?

Nope - there's no need to.


 H> It's ALWAYS that isn't it?  How did you find out this
 H> information? Hmmm... please, tell us who gave it to you so we
 H> can have them canned by their employer for releasing private
 H> information.

What "private" information?

 >> > They would hardly present the "good"
 >> > things that he wrote would they?
 >>
 >> Perhaps you'd like to list one.

 H> Perhaps you aren't too familiar with his Web Page then I guess?

IOW - nothing. A very pathetic web page.

 >> No, Netcom has sendmail logs and can determine if the
 >> message in question was indeed sent from their system by Matt
 >> Giwer.  In any event,

 H> Again with the evidence claims... and WHERE IS the evidence???

Netcom was satisfied. Why the shorts in a knot? Hmmmm?

 H> Where are these LOGS?  I keep hearing you say "Only the offended
 H> parties no the truth..." and "Netcom has sendmail logs..." so
 H> often it's starting to make me doubt your sanity.... make up
 H> your mind..

Sendmail makes very nice logs - easy to extract info, too!

Netcom can verify claims if the complaints are sent quickly enough
that the logs don't expire. Me - I keep a years worth of logs.

 H> Do you have evidence of Matt Giwer's mail-bombings or DON'T you?

I do.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:16 PST 1996
Article: 79954 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
Date: 15 Nov 96 10:52:03
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [13 Nov 96
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 >> Behave yourself, Mattie.  He wiped out your old man.  You
 >> would be child's play, so to speak.

 H> You're like one of those kids in a school yard brawl that's
 H> egging on a fight.... why is that?  Don't you have a life Gordy?

More than you do.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Calling Matt a zero insults zeros
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:17 PST 1996
Article: 79955 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer
Subject: Killfile mgiwer@gte.net (was Re: keyboards aren't kosher)
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Killfile mgiwer@gte.net (was Re: keyboards aren't kosher)] [13 Nov 96
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 >> :> Perhaps you are trolling?
 >>
 >> Perhaps he is Giwer?
 >>

 H> You are SUCH a delusional little man aren't you?

Is he?!?

Patterns.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:18 PST 1996
Article: 79957 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: More stupidity from the lips of Hardwire.
Date: 15 Nov 96 10:54:26
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: More stupidity from the lips of Hardwire.] [13 Nov 96 08:01][*][0]*>

 >> If you became annoying enough to someone, he might simply
 >> killfile you. If you became excessively annoying, he might
 >> just nuke you via a UDP.

 H> How interesting.. Are you proposing an attack on my system now
 H> Grynspan?  How becoming.... although useless.... but becoming
 H> none the less.

Your knowledge of the mechanisms in USENET is in the realm of total
ignorance.

I said UDP, not the TSUNAMI trigger.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.

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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:18 PST 1996
Article: 79994 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Markduk from idirect of canada
Date: 16 Nov 96 17:23:52
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<*[*] [*] [* *] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Markduk from idirect of canada] [15 Nov 96 03:48][*][0]*>


 >   Marduk of course is the lying scum that speaks for the
 > management of Internet Direct (idirect) of Canada.  Idirect also
 > makes harrassing phonecalls regularly to me, Matt Giwer, and my
 > family as a matter of company policy.

I think I'll forward a copy to a couple of folks that might find
this item FASCINATING!

Totally around the bend!

Wood Alcohol is not a safe drink, Matt!

 >   Idirect as a company is filthy, libelous jewish scum of the
 > earth.

Maybe I should contact them. They sound like wonderfully generous
folks with a truly intense desire for honesty.

Thanks for the recommendation, Matt!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Mat and Tzippy - separated at birth?
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:19 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
Date: 16 Nov 96 22:13:45
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<*[*] [*] [* *] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [15 Nov 96
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 >> even by the most tolerant of sysops. It was only a matter of
 >> time before he'd manage the same trick on the Net. Of course,
 >> he is free to find another ISP among the teeming zillions out
 >> there and start over.

 >   Totally untrue but you are a known liar.

"The most banned user in the known universe."

Who is a known liar, Matt?

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:20 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer
Subject: Hardwire - fruitcake
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Killfile mgiwer@gte.net (was Re: keyboards aren't kosher)] [15 Nov 96
13:39][*][0]*>

 >>
 >> Patterns.
 >>

 H> Well, sorry Gryn.  If you're that hell-bent to dose, all I can
 H> do is say "It's your life." and hand you a copy of "High Times"
 H> for your tripping enjoyment.

I never use the stuff. That leaves more for you.

++GMAIL 1.3++ A bird in the hand is safer than one overhead.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:20 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [13 Nov 96
06:19][*][0]*>

 H> The day you get a clue is the day I leave this newsgroup alone.
 H> From here it looks as if that could be a very distant day
 H> indeed.

Is it? Hardly!

Patterns - that's all it takes.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:21 PST 1996
Article: 80081 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
Date: 15 Nov 96 10:48:04
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [13 Nov 96
07:39][*][0]*>

 >> You certainly are getting twisted out of shape for somebody
 >> who's here to "find out for himself". Just like any
 >> revisionist.

 H> I'm not a revisionist Grynspan.. I don't really care about the
 H> holocaust and I've stated that in quite abundant clarity
 H> previously.

Read what I wrote.

 H> As for getting "bent out of shape"... nope.. quite happy... just
 H> sitting here taunting you and those like you.  There's a
 H> difference between you and I... I don't cling to the newsgroups

Really?!?

Will you try persuading me that the Easter Bunny is real?

 H> reply at all... I find this an amusement at best, whereas you
 H> seem to find it a sort of therapy.  Well, good luck to you.  May

As with many other things, your ignorance is very evident.

Patterns say a lot.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Matts should be seen and not heard.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:22 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Another Holocaust Peculiarity
Date: 17 Nov 96 15:03:31
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<+[Re: Another Holocaust Peculiarity] [16 Nov 96 22:47][*][0]*>

 >> Botbait: mgiwer@gte.net (Matt Giwer)

 p>   Are you announcing your intention of harrassing GTE?  Will you
 p> leaving the mailbombs to Grynspam this time or will you try it
 p> on your own?

Ignorant *AND* delusional. And I thought that you might actually
last in a real debate! Silly me!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Matts should be seen and not heard.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:23 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [15 Nov 96
03:50][*][0]*>

 > You know since you have been calling (I recognize the voice
 > despite the silly attempts to disguise it) that there has never
 > been a sign of it.

I haven't called in years, Matt. You're delusional.

 >   You, Alec, are a very silly little (but very fat) Jew liar and
 > a Jew murderer as you said.  And you do not have the balls for

I never murdered anyone, Matt. That was your personal delusions
again.

 > anything but an imagined anonymous phonecall.  You are a jew and

It was certainly imagined - by you. I don't bother with anonymous
phone calls. 

 > a murderer and liar.  But then, that is redundant in referring

No murders and no lies. You are delusional - which is obvious.

 >> Deadbeat?!? I have a very nice job, with my own corporation and
 >> very satisfied clients.

 >   GTE Canada as you once related was one of them.  Would you

Nope. They never were - because GTE isn't a Telco in Canada.

Try Nortel - AKA Northern Telecom. They already know all about you.

 > care to give some names and numbers as references?  Of course

They're in the phone book.

 > now have become a traitor to our relationship by your incessant
 > phonecalls and mailbombings.  You are truly the lying jew

Definitely delusional.

 > phonecalls and mailbombings.  You are truly the lying jew
 > murderer you told me you were on the phone.

Most definitely.

 >   You again lie but lying to a gentile is not a problem for a
 > jew.  But then, do not let me get ahead of myself.    Who was it
 > who set up a FREE three way call between the two of us and
 > Charlen so that Charlen and I could talk at Christmas?  Is that

Not necessarily. Who said that it was for you?

 > not the act of a friend? And if it is the act of something else
 > to a Jew please so state.

Look up Maimonedes.

 >> was not  his friend, changing that to lend himself credibility
 >> with his  nonsense stories - which I stated were nonsense.

 >   You certainly mislead me with the free LD call to Charlen.  Or
 > is that what Jews are best at?

Did it not occur to you that Charlen wanted to speak to you?

She had personal news to relate to you and I had (past tense - the
bean counters got nutso again and changed the system) a free LD
account. I did it because I felt like it.


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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:24 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: The "revisionist" retreat
Date: 16 Nov 96 17:08:22
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<+[Re: The "revisionist" retreat] [15 Nov 96 03:47][*][0]*>

 >> Matt has also let anybody who shows up here see *EXACTLY* what
 >> revisionists have to offer - stupidity, ignorance, lies,
 >> impotence of personality, psychoses...

 >   Then why did you solicite me to work with you and how did we
 > successfully work against David Dahlman if that were the case?

I could pick up a frozen side of beef and use that as a weapon. The
difference between that side of beef and you are that it's more
intelligent.

Dahlman wasn't my primary target, Matt. He was just in the way.

 >> And all it takes to defeat Matt is to set up a web page or 3 at
 >> various sites, such as my own soon-to-be-unveiled NetKooks and
 >> NetSkunks.

 >   And be just like Dahlman's hysterical netscabs site.

Hardly. I've got really great material in my archives and at Nizkor
to work with.

I've also got some great sound bites from certain phone
conversations.

 >   It is rather amazing how long it took you to master HTML after
 > to many claims of being the world's greatest programmer.

?!?!? I put that up after I installed a web server for my son's site
(not at www.gryn.org) - less than a week - in raw HTML.

Why should I spend any time on it? I've been too busy with work to
bother with small stuff like that. Also - take a whois at gryn.org.
I'm changing sites and expanding my bandwidth. I'm also putting in a
few more machines. That takes more time.

Besides - I have a life. Unlike yourself.

 >> BTW - Matt made a big mistake in his path tricks lately. He'll
 >> discovere what soon enough.

 >   Threatening mail bombs again?

What mail bombs, Matt?

 >   Little boy, wannbe murderer for the Mossad, get a life.

Nope - you're still delusional.

 >   Murderers, wannbe or not, are not considered nice people.

Absolutely! That's why I'm considered a nice person here.

But - you aren't.

 >   That you claimed to be a murderer for the Jew Mossad does not
 > enhance your position.

That you repeat your delusional nonsense doesn't help your recovery.


++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:25 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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<+[Re: The Criminal Giwer Can't Read English] [15 Nov 96 03:51][*][0]*>

 > continuing to lie.  You know you arraigned for a Christmas
 > phonecall between me and Charlen.  But now I see it was merely a

As a favour to Charlen, who was a fellow member of Keshernet and
Reshet.

 > phonecall between me and Charlen.  But now I see it was merely a
 > jew ploy so that you could pretend to be me friend and later
 > stab me in the back as you are now doing.

Delusional Paranoia - plain and simple.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:26 PST 1996
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From: Alec Grynspan 
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Hardwire wrote:
> 
> 
> For the LAST time Gryn, stay off of the LSD.  If you stop taking it,
> you'll stop seeing all those patterns.  Promise.

The clock waits for no man.

You - well it waits for.

The reason is obvious.


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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.bonehead.matt-giwer
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Hardwire wrote:
> 
> butter cookies, but that's because I'm normal....  For you I'd 

Hmmmm! Either you're dishonest or too far gone to recognize your
condition.


From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 19 06:43:27 PST 1996
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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Hardwire wrote:
> 
> Alec Grynspan wrote:
> >
> > Read what I wrote.
> >
> 
> And I quote:
> 
> "Just like any revisionist."
> 
> I read what you wrote Gryn, and if you'd like to pull a "I said "like"

No. Now go read what I wrote and stop acting like the illiterate that
you are trying to be - unless you don't have to try, of course.

> count.  You've recently taken to adding "Patterns - that's all it
> takes." to your closing line, and well, Gryn, it shows so very much in
> you.

Then you missed it - yet again.

As I expected.

As predictable as always.

And as ignorant.

> >
> > Will you try persuading me that the Easter Bunny is real?
> 
> Sure, I have it on good account.  My mommy and daddy told me so. So
> thppppbbtt!
> 

As expected. You still don't get it, do you?

> 
> If you come up with something original Grynspan I think I'll die of
> shock.

Well, you continue to lie as well. Either that or you're typing as a
zombie.

> 
> They certainly do Gryn, and from looking at yours I'd say you're on that
> long, slow, downward spiral.  Give it up, surrender, save yourself the
> pain, you're simply no match.  Remember, you're playing my game now.


Am I? I'd say quite the contrary!

As you'll find out when the time comes.


From alec@gryn.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:55 PST 1996
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Killfile mgiwer@gte.net (was Re: keyboards aren't kosher)] [15 Nov 96
13:05][*][0]*>

 H> telling me "You've lost" over and over is going to make me mad,
 H> then you're even MORE delusional than I had previously thought.

Good grief! Of course it's a waste of time!

You're too delusional to notice it and every sane person already
does!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Only losers side with a Giwer.
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From alec@gryn.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:56 PST 1996
Article: 80541 of alt.revisionism
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From: Alec Grynspan 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer Swine?
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:22:32 -0500
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Matt Giwer wrote:
> 
> 
>         You, among others, of course.  You even lie by omission when you
> read people state that I have been banned by Fido and by DEBATE on
> Fido and you know that it is not true, you remain silent.  That is a

Really?

Do you think that I read everything in here? You are only mildly more
significant than your alter-ego, Wirehead, and I really am busy!

As for whether you get banned in Fido's Debate - you have to post there
first! 

*** MODERATOR - FIDO DEBATE ***


From alec@gryn.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:57 PST 1996
Article: 80554 of alt.revisionism
From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [15 Nov 96
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 H> Very well then, by your own words I am the veritable "King of
 H> Fools" as Bacchus was, overthrowing the highest of kings with

Nope! More like "King of Turds".

 H> the Spring Festival.  Thank you Grynspan, thank you very much.

Too dumb to pound dirt - it figures.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Wed Nov 20 06:01:57 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: ihr7
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<+[Re: ihr7] [17 Nov 96 07:38][*][0]*>

 H> Were the corpses disposed of with a method that did not use
 H> conventional fuel, or was Wirth, or whoever quoted Wirth at the
 H> time, lying or misinformed?

Wood was not considered a "conventional fuel". There were very few
vehicles that used it and that was what a country at war considered
"real" fuel.

But anyone not totally ignorant knew that.
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:31 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [17 Nov 96
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 H> Internet.  Usenet in particular.  It's lurking somewhere around
 H> here in this group, along with my reply.  I sure hope he's got a
 H> lot of Bactine around for all of those 3rd degree burns I gave
 H> him.

No, but I do have a paper bag to counter the hyperventilation due to
my laughing at your ignorance.

When are you going back for your kindergarden degree?

++GMAIL 1.3++ You're STILL delusional, Matt
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:32 PST 1996
Article: 80887 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: **************** G I W E R   R U L E S ********************************
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<*[*] [*] [Dene Bebbington] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: **************** G I W E R   R U L E S] [16 Nov 96 06:00][*][0]*>

 >> I have been doubly hated because I have worked against
 >> you holohuggers for attempting to pervert this conference into
 >> a holohugger preserve.  You holohuggers have no business here,
 >> period.  This is for revisionism only.

 DB> Really, since when were you appointed chief arbiter of this
 DB> newsgroup?

Actually Matt has doelt the deniers use of this newsgroup a
veritable death-blow.

By his spamming, ignorance, paranoia and blatant psychological
problems - he's embarassed any quasi-literate denier out of here.
That means that the newbie who's still on the fence will see nothing
here and go elsewhere.

At Nizkor he'll see gobs of data. At CODOH he'll see rabid
anti-semitism and more paranopia. He'll be reminded of what he saw
here.

So Matt is our biggest ally, no matter how many aliases he uses.

In fact, by using multiple aliases, he helps that same newbie think
that a larger number of deniers is equally deranged and frightens
that fellow off from believing Matt's nonsense.

That's Matt's hell - he is stuck and he can't change for long enough
to fool anyone.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Button, Button - who's pushing the button?
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:33 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,fl.general,alt.revisionism
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<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [20 Nov 96
06:55][*][0]*>

 TG>   You continue to promote a lying jewish organization.  But you
 TG> know that.

What Jewish organization is that? I see none here.


 TG>   Such jewish lies are not welcome here.

 TG> =====
 TG> http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web
 TG> Pages of Zionism
 TG> http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
 TG> http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
 TG> http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource
 TG> Site
 TG> http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
 TG> http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the
 TG> Holocaust
 TG> http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam

No! No! Matt - those are lies *ABOUT* Jews! Not Jewish lies!

Yeesh! You can't even keep your grammar straight!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Only losers side with a Giwer.
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:34 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.activism,alt.atheism,alt.chess.ics,alt.current.events-russia
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<+[agressive] [20 Nov 96 05:48][*][0]*>

 TG>   But to the point of this message, that agressive revisionism
 TG> works. It not only works but there is no stopping it.  I

Your grip on reality has ceased to exist.

++GMAIL 1.3++ You're STILL delusional, Matt
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:34 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [19 Nov 96
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 H> Kinda funny coming from someone who so far as I've read in this
 H> thread has not even attempted a reply nor a rebuttal of my post
 H> to you.  You seem so well versed to attack me for my knowledge
 H> and yet so lax to reply with any mention of how my post was in
 H> err.

I already did.

Look in Deja News for the proof.

 H> Why don't you take your third grade insults and your 10 year old
 H> mentality somewhere else, like the playground?  At least there
 H> you'll be at home.

Your ability to see only what you want to see betrays you.

 H> And by the way, the correct spelling is "kindergarten".  Better
 H> lay off the Hooked-On-Phonics Gryn.  Oh wait, to you it would be

Your inability to counter my real response is obvious when you have
nothing better to respond with than a critique of spelling. FWIW - I
thought that the typical American inability to leave English alone
had invaded that word as well. Since I only had an English
dictionary at hand (my son borrowed the Webster to check some
American spellings) I couldn't have verified it anyway.

But - you knew that.

Oh - and here is my original message responding to your errors.

Yet again:

<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[GrynSPAM is a wannabe.] [15 Nov 96 15:02][*][0]*>

 H> USENET: Based on an older concept of UUCP for news delivery (in
 H> much the same method as FidoNet) and Unix to Unix Copying.
 H> Replaced by the newer (not that new) protocol NNTP (Network News
 H> Transfer Protocol).  Very much filled to the brim with assholes
 H> like GrynSPAM.

You renamed yourself GrynSPAM?!?

USENET: A network that *USED* UUCP, still does in some places, but
mostly uses NNTP.

That's *USES* NNTP.

Your ignorance betrays you.

 >> I said UDP, not the TSUNAMI trigger.
 >>

 H> TSUNAMI: An IRC war script designed to effectively to drown a

TSUNAMI: Having absolutely nothing to do with IRC, it's a mechanism
that causes SMTP and NNTP daemons to regurgitate messages in such a
way (exact way stays hidden. You might get a 5-year-old to set one
up for you) as to cause daemon replies containing the original
trigger message - usually of 100 to 200 K in length - to be sent to
the Errors-to or Reply-To address. A single message can trigger
several thousand copies, each from a different location, to be sent
to the victim.

 H> UDP: User Datagram Protocol.  Simple, unreliable (unlike it's
 H> big brother TCP).  Whereas TCP does advanced error checking up
 H> to and including sequence checking, and retransmission, UDP has
 H> no such glamour.  UDP packets use a simple checksum to determine

UDP: Universal Death Penalty. A cancelbot that simply locks a user
out of a newsgroup or even a series of newsgroups by automatically
cancelling everything that the user sends. Because it doesn't
necessarily depend on the "From:"  address, it can even disrupt
bogus name tactics.

UDP as you speak of it is incorrectly defined as well. UDP is a
*CONNECTIONLESS* protocol, while TCP is a connection-oriented
protocol. You're comparing apples and apricots, bunky.

 H> Ahem.... OK lesseeee.  Usenet... yeah Gryn, I REALLY expected
 H> you to infiltrate or even cripple my system via the Usenet...
 H> riiiiiggghhttt.

No - for that I would use a few other tactics, were I so minded.
There are quite a few security loopholes in every system.

But - then - that isn't what I was talking about.

As paranoid as a Giwer.

 H> RFC's huh?  Why not ICMP if anything? It's a more productive

Using Internet Control Message Protocol? Suuure!

Ignorant as always.

 H> he doesn't even know how to FLAME no less do something as
 H> mentally challenging as compromising a system's security!

WHo said that I'd bother? I've got enough cracker acquaintances
who'd take your comments as a challenge.

But for an illiterate like you?!? Hardly worth the effort.

 H>   You are a very, very amusing little man GrynSPAM.

Delusional as a Giwer. It figures.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We're laughing at you.


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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:35 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help
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<*[*] [*] [Swiss bank billions] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [18 Nov 96
20:51][*][0]*>

 Sb> only three or four revisionist sites.  Now they are coming on
 Sb> line about
 Sb> one a month.  Even more interesting, they are not redundant.
 Sb> They do not repeat the information of others as do the
 Sb> holobugger sites.

Yes - it's easier to make up lies than to present the truth.

But - you gloat on that.

 Sb>   The times are changing.  There are enough now that there are
 Sb> not enough holobuggers around to attack all of their ISPs.

Your paranoia is obvious.

++GMAIL 1.3++ A Smith & Wesson beats four aces.
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:36 PST 1996
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<*[*] [*] [Swiss bank billions] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help Organization] [18
Nov 96 23:54][*][0]*>

 Sb>   But the problem is that Marduk draws his paycheck from
 Sb> netcom.ca and therefore no one stops him, making netcom.ca

Your grip on reality is totally gone - but that's been obvious for a
while.

 Sb> complicite in the actions.  As you will remember, the hatesite
 Sb> www.babylonians.com was run by netcom.ca employees also.

There was no hatesite called www.babylonians.com.

BTW - your ignorance of the way the Internet works is surpassed only
by your ignorance of everything else.

 Sb>   For them, like Greenspam, a domain name is a liscense to abuse
 Sb> the net.

There is no Greenspam abusing the net.

 Sb>   You know him?  As he is into harrassing phonecalls of me and
 Sb> my family what is it that you think is his style?  He behaves
 Sb> like jew scum.

Delusional paranoia - thy name is Giwer.

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:37 PST 1996
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [19 Nov 96
02:18][*][0]*>

 H> Gryn I think I've narrowed it down, it either has to be hashish
 H> or peyote.  It's delusional I'll give it that.  But it rings of
 H> "Alice in Wonderland" and that definitely points closer to
 H> hashish.  Well whatever it is, please, don't take so MUCH of it.

Personal experience, I suppose?

I certainly don't bother with the stuff.

Anyone can tell by reading our respective posts.

Stop mixing drugs, at least. Your reasoning has dropped from zero to
a new low - a factor that I understand is part of your delusions of
intelligence.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Only losers side with a Giwer.
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:38 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<*[*] [*] [prince] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [16 Nov 96
22:47][*][0]*>

 p>   I do not see a threat there.  But she has agreed.  Why would

Blind and delusional?!?!

She agreed?!! Next you'll ask us to believe that you tell the truth!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:38 PST 1996
Article: 81626 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Killfile Giwer
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Killfile Giwer] [19 Nov 96 06:11][*][0]*>

 H> Evidently unaware of what you have said (proly because you got
 H> lost in trying to be so witty.. which by the way, you FAILED.) I

    ?!?!?     "Proly"    ?!?!?


Pot. Kettle. Black.


++GMAIL 1.3++ You're STILL delusional, Matt
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Nov 25 06:22:39 PST 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: "Umfallen" and deliberate mistranslation
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<*[*] [*] [BB] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: "Umfallen" and deliberate mistranslation] [20 Nov 96 19:01][*][0]*>

 >> be an uphill battle. Thus, DThomas, your request that we "focus
 >> on issues, not individuals," must be rejected.  I claim that
 >> both are important.

 B>   Ad hominem was identified as a logical fallacy over two
 B> thousand years ago.

The honesty of the source is a factor.

That's why everybody keeps nudging you into babbling. Then everybody
knows what's true - the opposite of your claim.

++GMAIL 1.3++ A lie repeated 1000 times is still a lie.
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Nov 26 06:24:30 PST 1996
Article: 81963 of alt.revisionism
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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: GrynSPAM is a wannabe.
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:38:41 -0500
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Hardwire wrote:
> As ALWAYS your ignorance betrays YOU.

Practicing in front of the mirror, I see.

You were obviously wrong, but can't see it.
> 
> >
> > That's *USES* NNTP.
> 
> Don't forget INN dickweed.

This one was a real laugh-getter around the office. NNTP is a transport
protocol. INN is a program, one of many, that uses NNTP.

> 
> >
> > Your ignorance betrays you.
> 
> Again a translation of GrynSpeak: "You suck."

Your sexual preferences are not part of this topic.

You should keep your advances where they belong, such as
alt.sex.eunuchs.

> 
> 
> Again, read the other post GrynSperm.  And I'm only comparing you with a
> chimp GrynSPAM, and guess what?  The chimp's winning.

At least you admit, in standard Giwerian style, to total ignorance.

It figures.

UDP is used, because it is connectionless, to initiate TCP/IP
connections.

Thus it is *UNDER* TCP/IP in the layers charts.

You are incredibly ignorant.

> 
> > But - then - that isn't what I was talking about.
> >
> 
> As I see now.  Perhaps if you'd been in a more coherent drug-induced
> haze earlier I could have understood you.
> 

Yes, you do have a problem with any conversation that doesn't involve
drugs.

> >  H> RFC's huh?  Why not ICMP if anything? It's a more productive
> >
> > Using Internet Control Message Protocol? Suuure!
> >
> > Ignorant as always.
> 
> Do your research of the CERT advisories, and some of the not so recent
> CIAC releases.  Of course, if you just want to keep on being WRONG go
> ahead, you've done a great job up until now.

Have fun with those advisories. I'm almost tempted to place a new one
directly on your machine as proof of your foolishness, but it isn't
stable enough for that.

ICMP is a protocol. You don't attack with a protocol. You use an
ICMP-employing mechanism to initiate an attack. Examples can be anything
>from  simple flood-pinging thru header-fragment burst attacks.

> >
> >  H> he doesn't even know how to FLAME no less do something as
> >  H> mentally challenging as compromising a system's security!
> >
> > WHo said that I'd bother? I've got enough cracker acquaintances
> > who'd take your comments as a challenge.
> 
> Ah hah.  So, GrynSperm wouldn't be able to do his own work, and so he
> shows his willingness to send others to do it for him.  Tells alot 

Why should I bother on small potatoes like yourself? I would simply
notify someone who might enjoy such games.

about
> a person.  Especially shows your cowardice, but that's been in evidence
> since your backstabbing of Giwer.

Cowardice? To not bother stepping on an ant?

As for backstabbing anybody - that's your delusions, not mine.
> 
> >
> > But for an illiterate like you?!? Hardly worth the effort.
> >
> 
> Do explain how cracking (the art of unprotecting copy-protected games)
> has anything to do with literacy, or hacking (the art of breaking into
> computer systems through flaws in the design of their OS) for that
> matter?  C'mon, Mr.

You can't even get that right. Get a new dictionary, oh ignorant one.

Hacking - programming and/or exploring of cyberspace. A hacker may try
to snoop inside a system, but not damage it.

Cracking - breaking things, such as copy-protection, OS security, files,
whatever. 

A cracker will attempt to break something to get in. A hacker won't.

IOW - a hacker (original German definition) used to be somebody who made
furniture with an axe and who hacked at his target until it fit. A
clumsy and unprofessional carpenter. This has been inverted somewhat to
mean a wizard of computers. A cracker is a sorcerer of computers. 

Wizards work to learn and sorcerers make "pacts with the devil".

Now - have you got the picture, micro-mind?

> GrynSPAM-I-think-I'm-hot-because-I-know-a-few-silly-acronyms-from-Usenet,
> shed thy light of knowledge upon us.  (Those of you that think that was
> cruel, please rest assured that GrynSPAM doesn't understand hypenated
> references)

About as cruel as a Giwer trying to get a human's goat.

Your ignorance is becoming more apparent with every post.


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Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer Swine?
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Gord McFee wrote:
> 
> :>
> :>*** MODERATOR - FIDO DEBATE ***
> 
> Please let me know if that ever happens.
> 
He posted one message. Everybody laughed.

> BTW, what happened to Lester?

He's still there, but is busy with business matters. So am I, so we have
another moderator as well. The rules are pretty simple, after all. Just
don't Giwerize.


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<*[*] [*] [Treblinka Veggie Garden] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help] [20 Nov 96
06:55][*][0]*>

 TG>   You continue to promote a lying jewish organization.  But you
 TG> know that.

What Jewish organization is that? I see none here.


 TG>   Such jewish lies are not welcome here.

 TG> =====
 TG> http://www.alquds.org:80/www/zionism/zionism.html The Dark Web
 TG> Pages of Zionism
 TG> http://www.webcom.com/~ezundel/english/welcome.html Zundelsite
 TG> http://194.243.91.7/ISLAM/ to the light
 TG> http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~lpauling/ Student Revisionist Resource
 TG> Site
 TG> http://www.eskimo.com/~ralphj/ Revisionist Productions
 TG> http://home1.gte.net/mgiwer/index.html Reflections upon the
 TG> Holocaust
 TG> http://flashback.se/~rislam/ Radio Islam

No! No! Matt - those are lies *ABOUT* Jews! Not Jewish lies!

Yeesh! You can't even keep your grammar straight!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Only losers side with a Giwer.
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<*[*] [*] [Bob Whitaker] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Definition Of White Race] [28 Nov 96 00:35][*][0]*>

 >> Hey, babe, not our fault that we have the intelligence to side
 >> with the winners.  We'll be passing our genes on.



 BW>   Standard traitor language: "I'm just being SHREWD!"

Since you're around and it's either the cowards or the pacifists
that avoid war as immoral that do the most propagating, then you are
either the result of generations of cowards or are betraying the
folks that mde you possible.
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