The Nizkor Project: Remembering the Holocaust (Shoah)

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From alec@gryn.org Wed Oct  2 12:19:54 PDT 1996
Article: 70896 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Alec, the MOSSAD SUCKS
Date: 01 Oct 96 14:19:00
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Alec, the MOSSAD SUCKS] [01 Oct 96 00:23][*][0]*>

 >> about, but I thought that naval radar stations would have been
 >> involved in indentifying ships.

 MG>   That is only because you know nothing of radar in 1967.  So
 MG> stop pretending that your "thinking" is any more than imagining.

Thank you for confirming his expertize in radar technology.

Based on your nature, that is the only valid interpretation.

 >> that happening: USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian Airbus by
 >> mistake, `friendly fire' incidents in the Gulf War, etc.

 MG>   But of course there were so many close passes and radio
 MG> identification by the IDF planes as a US ship that we know they
 MG> correctly identified the Liberty.

In the middle of a war, when pilots could have been busy elsewhere,
they fly 13 recon missions over the same ship - and you consider
this cause to ASSume that the Liberty was identified?!?

Just how much *DID* you pay for that swampland?

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Wed Oct  2 19:29:02 PDT 1996
Article: 71000 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Where is our german linguist?
Date: 01 Oct 96 14:24:35
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Where is our german linguist?] [30 Sep 96 11:14][*][0]*>


 MG>   The purpose of this conference is to discuss revisionism.

 MG>   The purpose is is not to give holohuggers a forum.


Revisionism by deniers is a fart in a windstorm.

All further discussion is unnecessary.

You may leave.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Even a Giwer doesn't understand Giwer.
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From alec@gryn.org Thu Oct  3 21:26:10 PDT 1996
Article: 71465 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: It's been killed
Date: 03 Oct 96 15:05:31
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The loophole was deliberately used. The folks involved also tried to send
hard-core porn thru my system, tried to grab control of my
domains...

The loophole is shut until I can code up a filter this weekend. The
result of this filter will be very interesting but hardly pleasant
for said folks.

People with 28.8K UUCP access should not cheese off folks that use
T1's and higher - really.
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From alec@gryn.org Fri Oct  4 07:05:47 PDT 1996
Article: 71494 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: soc.culture.palestine
Date: 03 Oct 96 18:23:25
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<*[*] [*] [Rich Graves] [Alec Grynspan] [##MYMAIL] +>
<+[RE: soc.culture.palestine] [03 Oct 96 17:17][*][0]*>

* Crossposted in ##MYMAIL
* Crossposted in ALT.REVISIONISM

 RG> Hmm. This is interesting.

 RG> 1. I believe Chris Saunders is one of Marc Lemire's buddies, and
 RG> a partner
 RG>    in the "Digital Freedom" BBS.

Yup!

This dickweed tried to get into Fido net 250 while I was gating
there. He was obviously looking for a cheap USENET feed, but I told
them that he was disinvited. I wasn't blocking him from access, just
not interested in him getting it for less than $1/month at my
expense (I swallowed 90% of the cost).

When he found out that USENET wasn't available thru moi, he lost
interest.

When they decided that they'd rather own their own feed, no matter
how lousy (and lousy it is), then he re-applied.

 RG> 2. gryn.org is Alec's pad.

It's a bleed thru. When the weasels who took over Net 250 put in
their own feed, everybody flocked to yours truly. Since then, their
net is losing money, because they can't compete with all of the
services that I provide.

They've used every trick in the book to block me. Every time that
they do, they get burned. La Psycho and her friends refuse to learn.

This latest was using 2 facts about my gate that they knew about:

1. I gated Fido to Internet Canada as Usenet-format articles.

2. I allow cross-posting. They don't, which cripples their users.

One of them simply took advantage of the fact to attach a
Newsgroups: line to the message, which slipped thru the system and
went out everywhere.

 RG> 3. Rick Jones sounds familiar, but I don't remember why.

THis one I don't know.

 RG> Comments, Mr. Grynspan?

Well, that gate is down for a few days until I can write a filter to
fix the problem. I'll add a little nasty or three to make them very
unhappy if they try it again. I'm P.O'd enough to UDP them for a
while. Since the folks at ICAN were also burned by these guys they
aren't in any mood to let anybody get away with this crap.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Net Coordinator - Net 2424

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From alec@gryn.org Fri Oct  4 07:05:48 PDT 1996
Article: 71518 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: It's been killed
Date: 03 Oct 96 22:00:13
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<*[*] [*] [Annie Alpert, OFB] [Alec Grynspan] [##MYMAIL] +>
<+[Re: It's been killed] [03 Oct 96 20:09][*][0]*>

* Crossposted in ##MYMAIL
* Crossposted in ALT.REVISIONISM

 >> up a filter this weekend. The result of this filter will be
 >> very interesting but hardly pleasant for said folks. People
 >> with 28.8K UUCP access should not cheese off folks that
 >> use T1's and higher - really. -- |Fidonet:  Alec Grynspan
 >> 1:2424/13 |Internet: alec@gryn.org
 AO> Don't leave us in suspense, Alec.  Who was it?  Tell us! Tell
 AO> us!

Probably a private situation. Local dweebs who are only 20 times
brighter than Giwer - morons. On the other hand, it could be one of
their new "friends" - in which case they are only 5 times brighter
than Matt.

I'll let you know - about 2 hours after they discover how nasty Alec
can be.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Calling Matt a zero insults zeros

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From alec@gryn.org Fri Oct  4 07:05:49 PDT 1996
Article: 71568 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Goyim are scum
Date: 01 Oct 96 14:15:41
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Goyim are scum] [30 Sep 96 23:50][*][0]*>


 MG>   You mean there is a problem conducting the primitive tradition
 MG> of ritual sexual mutilation on jews?

An act that is practiced by billions, because it encourages and aids
in cleanliness.

In your case, it would require microsurgery, so you were left with
the material of no use.

 MG>   You are clearly delusional.  And because of that you are
 MG> clearly jewish.

Hmmmm! So now you claim to be Jewish?

Is there no end to your delusions?!?

++GMAIL 1.3++ We keep on laughing at you Matt.
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Oct  7 07:32:49 PDT 1996
Article: 72253 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: in case you have forgetten
Date: 06 Oct 96 12:42:38
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[in case you have forgetten] [06 Oct 96 04:02][*][0]*>

 MG>   The littel jew animal Marduk continues his telephone
 MG> harrassing calls to me and my son's empolyer.  He continues to
 MG> forge email and netcon.ca continues to permit the email
 MG> harrassment.

As delusional as ever, Matt. Netcon blew you away when you tried
your stunts. The reason that they don't touch "Marduk" is because he
doesn't. He taunts you, and is silly enough to use your ID in his
parodies - silly because you're not worth the effort - but
otherwise, it's all in your imagination.

You're stuck here and nobody is censoring you. No matter how hard
you try to be offensive, you'll fail.

You see, to be sufficiently offensive, you'd have to be significant
enough for somebody to care and all you are is a nothing.

 MG> activity they all know best.  This was best stated by Alec
 MG> Grynspan when he acknowledged his mail bombing but claimed it
 MG> was other than mailbombing.

What mailbombing, Matt? You're delusional.

 MG> most common internet abuse.  But I will be patient to get enough
 MG> information to make clear even to the holohuggers that they can
 MG> not simply say it is unproven.

Fabrication does take a lot of time, doesn't it? What's next? "Alec
Grynspan claims to be from Krypton?"

++GMAIL 1.3++ Giwer + Reality = Zero
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From alec@gryn.org Mon Oct  7 07:32:50 PDT 1996
Article: 72254 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?
Date: 06 Oct 96 12:49:52
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<*[*] [*] [Matt  Giwer] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Demolition of Auschwitz evidence?] [05 Oct 96 22:56][*][0]*>

 MG>   Now back to your violation of your oath as an officer of the
 MG> court, it appears it is correct that on Yom Kippur Jews swear
 MG> not to be bound by any oath to a gentile.  Otherwise you would

There isn't any such oath, schmuck. There never was.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Calling Matt a zero insults zeros
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From alec@gryn.org Sat Oct 12 19:37:32 PDT 1996
Article: 73630 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar
Date: 09 Oct 96 07:25:21
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<*[*] [*] [Derek Bell] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar] [08 Oct 96 14:22][*][0]*>

 DB>   Why are you so intent on calling other men dickless?

Personal experience?

++GMAIL 1.3++ Calling Matt a zero insults zeros
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From alec@gryn.org Wed Oct 16 00:28:09 PDT 1996
Article: 74669 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer; give him a ring and tell h
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<*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Matt Giwer of Florida is a Nazi Sympathizer; give him a ring and t] [10
Oct 96 16:00][*][0]*>

 KS> Arabs.   Have you read the Amnesty report on Israel's methods of
 KS> torturing Palestinians?  Why, it is a veritable paragon of
 KS> civility!

You have that perfectly right.

Since you accept the Amnesty report as accurate, it must -
considering your own level of accuracy - be a total fiction.
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From alec@gryn.org Thu Oct 17 15:48:03 PDT 1996
Article: 75193 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar
Date: 17 Oct 96 10:10:15
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<*[*] [*] [Rack Jite] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Matt Giwer: Pathological Liar] [14 Oct 96 23:46][*][0]*>

 RJ> little pal Alec Grynspan came to your defense and after me with
 RJ> his lies, libel, investigations and threats, finally managing to
 RJ> have me and most anyone who agreed with me thrown off Smartnet.

You just don't know when to quit, do you, David E. Dahlman, 315
Biscayne Blvd, El Lago, Texas, 77586-6109?

No lies. No libels, investigations or threats - that's your style.

Nobody threw you off Smartnet.

No, I didn't come to your lover's defense. You're also illiterate.

 RJ> hatreds and abject bigotry push ever further into the mire
 RJ> of
 RJ> hate mongering anti-semitism.

You really are stupid! Do you think it happened by chance?

We stripped his mask off, peeling it off like the layers of an
onion!

Underneath - NOTHING. Just incompetent self-hatred and a
well-deserved inferiority complex.

Now he and his alter-ego/buddy Kurt Stele are the best thing that
could have happened here and he doesn't even know why!

 RJ> You still suing me? Or is your game still just the same as
 RJ> Grynspans, splashing user addresses around?

Don't lie - and it stops.

Visit my web page. All of the links aren't completed yet - I'm very
busy - and I've yet to complete entering all 300+ BBSes that I feed,
but note the topics. You're gonna be mighty "popular", Davy-girl.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Calling Matt a zero insults zeros
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From alec@gryn.org Fri Oct 18 09:25:13 PDT 1996
Article: 75322 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
Date: 17 Oct 96 18:56:51
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<*[*] [*] [acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES] [16 Oct 96 09:51][*][0]*>

 a> The one JEW, BRONFMAN illegally moved more money out of Canada
 a> and Quebec, without paying his taxes, than anyone else in the
 a> history of Canada!!!

Nope - he paid all taxes due.

He also moved his money to where it would earn the most - outside of
Quebec.

Just like a lot of companies.

So?

It was his money.

 a> This one JEW as a resulted caused such a shortage in the revenue
 a> for both Quebec and Canada, as to cause an increase in
 a> everyone's Income Taxes.

Not mine. Not any human's.

You - that's anoher story.

 a> This one Jew, by illegally removing this cash, resulted in
 a> massive unemployment in his home province of Quebec.

Good!

Now - what law did he break?

He left because separatism was bad for business - like a lot of
companies.

It hurt Quebec that he relocated in Ontario?

Terrific!

 a> I do not recall similar havoc caused by other religious people.

Try Xtians, Muslims, atheists, every group who left a country or
province that was becoming racist.

Try the banks - which are *NOT* owned by Jews. Try the Bank of
Montreal - which has its headquarters in Ontario.

So?

Is the population that's left starving?

Good! Now they'll see what racism does.


++GMAIL 1.3++ Which clown are you - Bozo or Clarabelle?
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From alec@gryn.org Fri Oct 18 09:25:14 PDT 1996
Article: 75323 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Interesting
Date: 17 Oct 96 10:25:03
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<*[*] [*] [EE] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Interesting] [15 Oct 96 03:45][*][0]*>

I'll be sure to route any flames going my way back to you, Matt.

With interest.

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From alec@gryn.org Sun Oct 20 18:20:41 PDT 1996
Article: 75994 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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<*[*] [*] [acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES] [18 Oct 96 03:55][*][0]*>

 a> The latest move by Revenue Canada Taxation is in marked contrast
 a> to the BRONFMAN case, where so far, the tax department seems to
 a> have done NOTHING
 a> to recover the billion dollars and more owing by the BRONFMANS
 a> in unpaid taxes!!

Yup! Billions of revisionist dollars. No - trillions!

A billion times zero is still zero.

IOW - nothing owed.

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From alec@gryn.org Sun Oct 20 23:37:04 PDT 1996
Article: 76024 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: Interesting
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<*[*] [*] [The Prime Holohugger] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Interesting] [18 Oct 96 05:17][*][0]*>

 >> With interest.


 TH>   No you won't.

You only think you're getting away with it.

We shall see.

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From alec@gryn.org Mon Oct 21 10:29:27 PDT 1996
Article: 76183 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,qc.general,mtl.general
Subject: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
Date: 21 Oct 96 10:27:29
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<*[*] [*] [Alexander Baron] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES] [18 Oct 96 05:38][*][0]*>

 AB> Taxation is theft; he's one Jew who has my vote, whatever his
 AB> views on the "Holocaust".

Bronfman didn't even evade taxation! He just moved it out *BEFORE*
the loophole was closed.

The interesting thing about that money is that it was in Canada, but
earned elsewhere anyway!

That's why he moved it out!. Canadian tax laws were about to require
that he pay taxes on foreign investments - a tax grab.

How do I know such things? Well, I could always show folks the
movies of the Bronfman family with mine over the years...

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From alec@gryn.org Mon Oct 21 12:33:11 PDT 1996
Article: 76188 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: The "revisionist" retreat
Date: 21 Oct 96 10:36:24
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<*[*] [*] [Jamie McCarthy] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[The "revisionist" retreat] [18 Oct 96 13:20][*][0]*>

 JM> "useless" for discussion of the Holocaust.  While he has not
 JM> completely succeeded, he has made large strides toward that
 JM> goal.

Matt has also let anybody who shows up here see *EXACTLY* what
revisionists have to offer - stupidity, ignorance, lies, impotence
of personality, psychoses...

 JM> Over the past year, "revisionists" have made a tactical fallback
 JM> to the web, their retreat covered by flanking fire from Matt
 JM> Giwer.

And all it takes to defeat Matt is to set up a web page or 3 at
various sites, such as my own soon-to-be-unveiled NetKooks and
NetSkunks.

A simple, short description of why the individual qualifies as a
netKook or NetSkunk, followed by a pointer to alt.revisionism, so
that folks can see for themselves (and another to Nizkor, so that
folks can see *THAT* side of Matt as well...) and Matt's efforts
will be the best weapon *AGAINST* his efforts possible!

BTW - Matt made a big mistake in his path tricks lately. He'll
discovere what soon enough.

++GMAIL 1.3++ Calling Matt a zero insults zeros
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From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 22 07:40:56 PDT 1996
Article: 76266 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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<*[*] [*] [acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES] [19 Oct 96 10:59][*][0]*>

 a> The question regarding the BRONFMAN JEWS is extremely
 a> significant, because these JEWS moved out of Canada more money,
 a> without paying their taxes, than all other tax cheats in the
 a> history of Canada!!

You are a thief. Your message says it all.

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From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 22 09:37:02 PDT 1996
Article: 76351 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: HOLO-HOAX DESTROYED FROM THE AIR!!
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<*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: HOLO-HOAX DESTROYED FROM THE AIR!!] [19 Oct 96 18:39][*][0]*>

 KS> Doesn't it seem "Chuck Feree" has an -awful- lot of energy and
 KS> testosterone for someone supposedly a septuagenarian?  The only

No. Quite a few septuagenarians have that much energy.

I know of folks in their 89's who post in even greater volume and
vigor than Chuck. He's taking it easy.

 KS> thing keeping me from discounting his claimed age outright is
 KS> his marked inability to compose cogent arguments.

Thank you for verifying that Chuck is a better poster than yourself.

I base that observation on your nature.

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From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 22 09:37:03 PDT 1996
Article: 76354 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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<*[*] [*] [acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES] [19 Oct 96 11:59][*][0]*>

 a> Perhaps YOu can show us where there have been people of other
 a> religions, who have swindled Revenue canada Taxation as much as
 a> have the JEWS?

Christians, Muslims, Zundelites - tax cheaters all.

 a> Not just the BRONFMAN JEW, but what about all the fraudulent
 a> charitable donation receipts given by JEWISH CHARITIES, such as
 a> the Toronto Zionist Council, as reported by the media this
 a> week???

They weren't fraudulent then or now.

They said up front what they were doing with the money.

Somebody decided that the rules were going to change.

How much money did these organizations accept as tax-deductible
since losing their status?

Zero.

How much money did Bronfman own when he pulled *HIS* money out of
Quebec?

Zero.

You are a thief.

My son, 10 years old, just saw your message.

His response is (passing the keyboard to him):

Fuck off, Asshole!!!!!!!!

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From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 22 09:37:04 PDT 1996
Article: 76355 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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<*[*] [*] [Geoffrey Welsh] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES] [19 Oct 96 19:53][*][0]*>

 GW> Err, could that be because it has since been discovered by
 GW> everyone except bullshitters that there was no illegal action?
 GW> As I recall, it was even discovered that Revenue Canada was
 GW> consulted _before_ the money was moved.

Actually, yes.

I have a few contacts in Revenue Canada and they said, very plainly,
that Bronfman broke no laws at all!

The money was earned outside of Canada and would be taxed if it
stayed here, so - like so many others of all persuasions - he moved
it back out!

If it adversely affected Canadians, blame the Canadian government -
which was lining up for another tax grab!

 >> Tax department, and the rest of Canadian taxpayers, of BILLIONS
 >> OF DOLLARS??

 GW> You should be imprisoned for such blatant LYING.

If all of the blatant liars were imprisoned, there wouldn't be any
revisionists left.

Then who would provide the humour here?

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From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 22 19:04:57 PDT 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: ALEC GRYNSPAN - SCUMBALL
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<*[*] [*] [Rack Jite] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[ALEC GRYNSPAN - SCUMBALL] [18 Oct 96 10:00][*][0]*>

 RJ> And here you are now putting up users addresses in your sig...
 RJ> You are slime...

But you keep insisting that you aren't Dave Dahlman.

How do you know what Dave Dahlman wants done with the info?

Poor Davy-girl - you even let people know that you're Dave Dahlman
in your own bogus piece of fiction.

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From alec@gryn.org Thu Oct 24 08:19:29 PDT 1996
Article: 76655 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: ANNOUNCING THE RETIREMENT OF THE GIWER-SWINE HOMEPAGE Organization: AT&
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<*[*] [*] [The Prime Holohugger] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: ANNOUNCING THE RETIREMENT OF THE GIWER-SWINE HOMEPAGE Organization] [18
Oct 96 05:31][*][0]*>

 TH>   In other words, you job hangs by a thread and you gave in
 TH> before he started posting it on net.abuse regarding Internet
 TH> Direct.

Is that like your claim that UU.NET read me the riot act?

 TH>   Now that the spokesrat for idirect has been exposed as a liar
 TH> and all of idrect as irresponsible for letting JEW employees use
 TH> the companies for their personal objectives, the company is
 TH> going to take down the page.

Wadda Marroon!

Try again, oh ignorant one.

 TH>   And remember that Colin MacGregor lied and all of idirect
 TH> lied.

 TH> Kaspu Corporation (BABYLONIANS-DOM)
 TH>    2788 Bathurst St. #218
 TH>    Toronto, Ontario M6B-3A3
 TH>    Canada

 TH>    Domain Name: BABYLONIANS.COM

 TH>    Administrative Contact:
 TH>       Manny Amaral  (MA13-ORG)  babyblue@IDIRECT.COM
 TH>       (416) 233-7150
 TH> Fax: (416) 233-6970
 TH>    Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
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 TH>       +1 416 233-7150
 TH>    Billing Contact:
 TH>       Bell, Howard  (HB180)  dns@IDIRECT.COM
 TH>       416-233-7150

 TH>    Record last updated on 28-Aug-96.
 TH>    Record created on 28-Aug-96.

 TH>    Domain servers in listed order:

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You give away your ignorance without even trying.

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From alec@gryn.org Thu Oct 24 11:43:07 PDT 1996
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [23 Oct 96
16:51][*][0]*>


 H> Your ignorance at the situation is overwhelming.  I am not now,
 H> nor have I ever been, of any relation to Matthias Giwer.
 H> However, I happen to know of the man's plight.  I also know of
 H> his persecutors.

 H> Ask yourself a question Braniac.  Who's watching you watch?

Since the only "persecutors" that Matt has are in his brain, you are
either Matt or an idiot.

Come to think of it, if you are Matt, you are an idiot!

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From alec@gryn.org Thu Oct 24 11:43:07 PDT 1996
Article: 76737 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (Month
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<*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (] [23
Oct 96 04:31][*][0]*>

 KS> The issue is that Jewish religious laws are protected by state
 KS> laws: an obvious violation of Church and State.  Yet whenever

Citations please.

When you come back with citations, you will make your point.

Since there aren't any such laws, you simply show yourself to be an
idiot.

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From alec@gryn.org Thu Oct 24 11:43:08 PDT 1996
Article: 76738 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: U.L. tax on gentiles safty! (was Re: Aluminum foil contains pork?)
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<*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: U.L. tax on gentiles safty! (was Re: Aluminum foil contains pork?)] [23
Oct 96 04:58][*][0]*>

 >> I would expect that consumer protection laws cover kosher food
 >> to the extent that if a food is certified kosher, it must in
 >> fact be kosher.  But that is no different from requiring that
 >> prime beef be prime beef.  Any label posted on consumer
 >> products must be accurate.  Furthermore, many people who are
 >> not Jewish look upon kosher certification as a sign of quality,
 >> so any law such as this also protects them.

 KS>  Why are not REGULAR misrepresentation laws ENOUGH, "Buddy K"?
 KS> And what other "religion" besides Judaism gets to have special
 KS> laws protecting its religious customs, "Buddy K"?

What special laws? Just site one, asshole.

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From alec@gryn.org Fri Oct 25 09:00:42 PDT 1996
Article: 76856 of alt.revisionism
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<*[*] [*] [Art Kreitman] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (] [23
Oct 96 08:35][*][0]*>

 >> Another consumer who doesn't even realize his food is more
 >> expensive because it contains the "U" to indicate some rabbi
 >> "certified" it as "kosher."

 AK>         Exactly what incremental cost does this certification
 AK> add to the cost of processed food??

The cost of certification is microscopic.

The cost that can result in maintaining conditions adequate for
certification can be quite high, depending on the product.

Meat is the most difficult to maintain conditions for.

As an example, the special additional cost for preparing the
hindquarters of an animal in a kosher fashion is high enough that
most kosher meat plants sell the hindquarters to a non-kosher plant
at a discount.

The result is that sirloin steak is less expensive than shoulder
steak in some parts of town. You can tell which non-kosher butcher
gets his sirloin from the kosher places. His best cuts are CHEAPER,
because Jews subsidize him.

 AK> shellfish, in general meat,  pork).   The other certification
 AK> indicates that in addition to not containing any nonkosher
 AK> components, the product does not include milk.

There is another one - that the product is pareve - certified as
allowable for combining with either meat or milk, being neither.

Also there is the certification for passover, which is yet another
level.

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From alec@gryn.org Fri Oct 25 14:09:26 PDT 1996
Article: 77015 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: The "revisionist" retreat
Date: 24 Oct 96 11:30:54
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: The "revisionist" retreat] [23 Oct 96 01:29][*][0]*>

 >> big mistake in his path tricks lately. He'll discovere what
 >> soon enough.

 H> I think the quote above pretty much speaks for itself.

AYUP!

"Matt Giwer - condemned to being a fool by his own words."

 H> "Erase the hate."  Or at least, that's what we tell our
 H> children.

What hate?

"Since Matt Giwer knows that no one loves him, he tries for hate as
an alternative - but gets laughter instead. To hate, one must admit
that the object of hatred is worth hating. Matt couldn't even get
that from anyone but his own reflected self! Only Matt Giwer hates
Matt Giwer - a sickness indeed."

 H> I remember when we also told them to "Just say no", and expected
 H> them to do as we say, not as we do.

All that I'm talking about is the application of some net
antibiotics.

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From alec@gryn.org Fri Oct 25 17:52:58 PDT 1996
Article: 77046 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES
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<*[*] [*] [acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES] [25 Oct 96 09:33][*][0]*>

 a> In fact, both Revenue Canada Taxation, and the Auditor General
 a> of Canada have publicly reported that the removal of the 2.2
 a> BILLION dollars, without paying the Income Taxes thereon, WAS
 a> ILLEGAL!!!!

In your sick little mind - is "both" the same as "neither"?

No laws broken. No illegalities.

 a> because of the illegal removal without paying the taxes, by the
 a> BRONFMAN JEW, now Chinese immigrants are being swindled,and have
 a> to pay income taxes of around 70% on their OVERSEAS ASSETS, not
 a> just income in Canada.

Actually it was because of those perverted Grosvener/Grubers, who
raped and murdered and ...

Try proving otherwise, asshole.

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From alec@gryn.org Fri Oct 25 17:52:59 PDT 1996
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<*[*] [*] [Danny Li] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Revenue Canada Investigates JEWISH CHARITIES] [25 Oct 96 06:06][*][0]*>


 DL>   It would appear that whether or not it is illegal is up to a
 DL> court to decide.

No - because Bronfman was not charged, because there was no law
broken.

A court decides if a law has been nroken only if there is a law that
can be broken by specific actions. There was none.

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From alec@gryn.org Sat Oct 26 09:06:06 PDT 1996
Article: 77129 of alt.revisionism
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Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [23 Oct 96
17:47][*][0]*>

 H> What good would it do?  E-mail is not admissable as evidence in
 H> ANY sense.  Anything can be forged, especially something as
 H> simple as electronic mail.  Anyone with adequate knowledge of
 H> how to run an IP spoofer can send mail that will appear for all
 H> practical purposes to come from the president@whitehouse.gov if
 H> they wish.

Then what evidence do you have of any persecution?

You have just nullified any claim that anybody other than a rather
mindless fool named Matt Giwer sent *ANY* requests to cancel any
accounts!

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From alec@gryn.org Sun Oct 27 01:02:01 PDT 1996
Article: 77215 of alt.revisionism
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<*[*] [*] [Bryan Cowan] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (] [25
Oct 96 16:46][*][0]*>


 BC> I believe most of the kashrut laws deal with meat.

Be careful of the word "law" here. Those "laws" are the "laws" of
Halacha, not the laws of the land - as we will see Nutcase Stele try
to claim.

As for the preponderance of rules about meat, it's the most complex
a subject and the most likely to involve disease.

 BC> What is the difference between plain kosher and kosher for
 BC> passover? And why is aluminum foil certified kosher, to get back

Kosher for passover involves leavening and other items outside of
the area of meat, ect. Milk and milk products is one of the areas
that changes for passover.

As for aluminum foil - that's easy.

Ever wrap food in aluminum foil? Ever cook with it?

Tref (unclean) makes tref. If non-kosher articles come in contact
with food, the food is non-kosher.

Even cooking utensils, dishes and cutlery must be kosher.

The rules for what must be kosher and how to make an item kosher
could, with a few words changed to hide their origin, read like a
guide to the prevention of the spread of contagious diseases.

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<*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Nazis: The Next Generation] [26 Oct 96 05:51][*][0]*>


 KS> If persecution justifies Jews concealing their names then the
 KS> same rule applies to revisionists.

No.

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<*[*] [*] [Kurt Stele] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (] [26
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 KS> I have already posted the law by which Rabbis dictate who can be
 KS> imprisoned for a misdemeanor for selling improperly prepared
 KS> kosher foods, in which a state law enforces a religious standard

Nope! You posted a law that has absolutely nothing to do with Rabbis
dictating anything.

The law in question is the same law that forbids putting a UL seal
of approval on faulty wiring or an FDA-approval label on
improperly-prepared drugs.

Still batting .000, little mind.

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From alec@gryn.org Sun Oct 27 23:06:50 PST 1996
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Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [25 Oct 96
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 H> The point remains however, that it's quite absurd to be kicked
 H> from 4 different ISP's for mailbombing wouldn't you agree?  As

Yes - but some people never learn.

 H> However, the mailbomb issue I'll stand in agreement with you on,
 H> as it pertains to discontinuance of service.  But think about
 H> this for a moment... Would you keep mail-bombing people even
 H> AFTER you'd been kicked from one ISP, no less FOUR?  It just
 H> doesn't make sense, and I don't buy it.

Why? Tzippy Benavraham was turfed from more than one ISP for her
actions.

Psychoses never need to make sense.

 H> Even if Giwer mail-bombed ONCE, he would be smart enough not to
 H> do it again, and again, etc..  It smells more to me like someone

You need your nose fixed.

 H> who has the power, or the access, is trying to make his life
 H> miserable, and if they have that kind of power, who's to say
 H> that the person(s) in question didn't forge posts in his name as
 H> well?

Why would anybody need to?

Contagious paranoia, perhaps?

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From alec@gryn.org Mon Oct 28 07:12:11 PST 1996
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In <54v1o1$7ip@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
>
>I remember my school being closed down on Yom Kippur.   

So?

1. The Jewish population may have been high enough in that school that
   it made sense

2. There was sufficient trouble in your area that it was deemed a good
   idea to make the identification of members of a persecuted minority
   more difficult.

3. You could be lying yet again.

>
>No other group besides Jews have state laws to criminally prosecute violating their Jewish
>religious customs, according to a standard that Jews alone determine. Only Jews possess
>this special privilege.

What laws are these, Kurt?

You haven't named any.

Are you saying that a restaurant that serves pork chops stuff with
cheese will be prosecuted?

Or do you mean that a company that uses non-kosher ingredients in a can
that they then stick a kosher label on isn't defrauding its buyers?




From alec@gryn.org Mon Oct 28 07:12:12 PST 1996
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In <54v1vq$7ip@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
>
>>Nope! You posted a law that has absolutely nothing to do with Rabbis
>>dictating anything.
>
>Where else besides does the standard come from?  

Try again, bunky.

A company that puts the Good-Housekeeping Seal of Approval on their
product is in *EXACTLY* the same position.

They don't have to put that seal on, but they can only do it if the
product really has been inspected by Good Housekeeping.

If a company declares that its meat is Halal and it isn't, then the
company would be prosecuted in EXACTLY the same way.

Halal is a ===>Muslim<=== equivalent of Kosher and is equally protected.

>
>The state law also punishes with criminal prosecution those who violate Jewish law.

Funny that you can't seem to tell us what that law is.



From alec@gryn.org Mon Oct 28 07:12:13 PST 1996
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In <54v1tf$7ip@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:

>
>A judge does not know what kosher is.  Even the Jews do not what kosher as they have

A judge doesn't have to know.

All that he needs to know is: Did the owners of a specific mark
authorise its use?

Like the UL mark or the FDA mark.

That judge won't even ask if it meets the standard.

He won't even entertain a defense of "it meets and exceeds their
standard, your honour."

If the company wants to say "KOSHER" on its label, without any
indication of which group did the inspection, then there is nothing to
prevent such actions.

On the other hand, there is a constraint that a company can't use the
circled U, the KOR, COR or MK seals without permission - just as a
company can't use the FDA or UL seals.

Now - please cite any law that says otherwise.



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In <54v23t$7ip@is05.micron.net>, kurtstel@micron.net (Kurt Stele) writes:
>schwartz@infinet.com (Sara aka Perrrfect) wrote:
>
>The state law criminally prosecutes violations of Jewish law, in a law which specifically
>makes reference to Jewish law.  This is a violation of Church and State and
>unconstitutionally vague, as even Jews cannot agree on what kosher is.
>

Try again, bunky.

All it takes to get it approved as to any standard is the seal from the
specific group that sets that standard.

It doesn't matter if that includes the FDA, the UL, the CSA or any other
standard.

Our standards at Nortel were very high - higher than that required to
get an ISO 9000 certification.

But it wasn't on the dot in areas that weren't really significant to us.

So we had to add those functions and get audited.

Did that add any quality?  No.

Did that cost time and money? Believe it! Millions! Enough for all of
the Kosher inspections in North America!

Was Nortel forced to do it? Only if we wanted to deal with companies
that required it!

So Nortel went and got certified. And got more customers.

How long did the audit take? Less than 2 days.

How much did it cost? Much more than $10,000 per auditor.

And if Nortel advertised that they were ISO 9000 without getting
approval, the judge would hit hard.

Same thing, bunky.

The rules are simple. Some people want to see a seal on the label before
they buy a product. Companies want to sell a product. So they get the
seal.

Some companies don't want to be bothered getting the approval, so they
lie to their customers.

And the same law comes into effect.



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Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
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<*[*] [*] [Hardwire] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?] [27 Oct 96
04:55][*][0]*>

 >> Matt really has been bounced for his repugnant opinions--then
 >> why haven't you been bounced, too? Bill


 H> Simple... If two people had been "bounced" the pattern would
 H> become obvious.

Actually a foolish move.

You see, Matt is wanted here by the more intelligent (read
non-deniers) folks.

If you wanted to show the evils of alcoholism, would you show folks
the tall, distinguished-looking gentleman who gets quietly drunk
every night and falls asleep in his chair - or the disgustingly
repulsive skid-row bum, drooling, retching and being a totally
repellent worthless THING?

Hint: Among deniers, there is the superficially intelligent
individual and the Kurt Stele/Matt Giwer type - the skid-row
derelict type.

The real purpose of alt.revisionism is to peel back that superficial
layer and reveal the vomit underneath - so that folks will se what
it's really all about.

The Steles, Hubers, Matt Giwers - they keep thinking that they're
winning. But they play the wrong game - and don't dare admit what
it's really all about.

Matt is perfect - just press the button and he responds with yet
another sample of the rot underneath every revisionist's skin.

We don't need to get rid of him and don't want to!

But - Matt is a very stupid and immature individual. He does
everything in his power to make himself as obnoxious as possible -
and then plays martyr when somebody loses patience with him and
swats him down.

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From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 29 00:27:37 PST 1996
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<*[*] [*] [Ken McVay OBC] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Matthias who? (Doing the Gannon in Tampa Bay...)] [27 Oct 96 04:06][*][0]*>

 KO> Like Alex noted some time ago, the troll, by his own rules,
 KO> cannot leave - he is stuck here, in the ultimate hell - one of
 KO> his own creation - where he cannot, under any circumstances,
 KO> do the Gannon.

1. That's ALEC, please. It's bad enough to end up being renamed by a
teacher who kept forgetting which AVRAM, AVRAHAM, whatever, she was
talking to when I was in school.

2. Ask Gord McFee or a few others. I nailed when Matt would
collapse, although I thought that he might try the "You're
persecuting me" tactic and run.

But there's no place to go any more. Matt is stuck - the perfect
example of the mentally debilitating effects of his disease,
denierism.

 KO> Kafka would have loved it.

BINGO!

Matt never caught on when he could still get out with some dignity.

A hell that he designed for himself.

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<*[*] [*] [HappyTrails] [All] [ALT.REVISIONISM] +>
<+[Re: Stock Raiders: Oy Vey, Vhat a Country! (ADV)] [27 Oct 96 23:56][*][0]*>

 H> OK to cheat non-Jews:  Sanhedrin 57a
 H> Jews may steal from Non-Jews:  Baba Mezia 24a
 H> Jews may rob and kill Non-Jews:  Sanhedrin 57a
 H> Non-Jewish children are sub-human:  Yebbamoth 98a
 H> Gentiles prefer sex with cows:  Abodah Zarah 22a-22b
 H> Genocide advocated by Talmud Minor Tractates: Soferim 15, rule
 H> 10 states "Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed"

 H> Sounds racist to me.

No - sounds bogus.

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From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 29 08:53:36 PST 1996
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In <5500uh$61c@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, joebuck@ix.netcom.com writes:
>alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan) wrote:
>
>>The rules for what must be kosher and how to make an item kosher
>>could, with a few words changed to hide their origin, read like a
>>guide to the prevention of the spread of contagious diseases.
>
>   So, if this is the case, since food manufacturers in the United
>States ALREADY follow the most stringent food sanitation procedures in
>
>          *************
>the world, why pay the *MINISTERS* (i.e. rabbis) of a particular
>*RELIGION* (i.e. Judaism) to "inspect" and "certify" as "clean" what
>the manufacturers produce?
>  It's rather REDUNDANT -- not to mention costly -- to do so, no? 
>  DUH!

We already know your intellectual level.

It wouldn't matter how clean the process is. Some people want to be sure
that it also follows the rules of their faith - which may be more
esoteric.

Or even better. "100% Beef" is allowed a considerable amount of
additives and fillers under FDA rules - but not under Kosher rules.

So they buy only from places that follow those rules as well.

They can verify that these places follow the rules, because these places
get authorization to put a special mark on the package.

If a company decides to try for a market, they make a cost-benefit
analysis and decide on that.

So they call in a standards group and get inspected, like Nortel did
with ISO 9000. Then they decide whether the cost of doing business under
this standard is offset by the additional sales. If the result is a
requirement to raise the price, then they do that - like kosher meat
plants.

If that's the situation, then people who are willing to pay more to get
the product to a certain standard will pay it and those that don't, won't.



From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 29 11:14:20 PST 1996
Article: 77693 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Fill Me In: What happened to the Giwer-Swine?
Date: 27 Oct 96 17:52:29
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 H> You know.. I didn't bother to check any of the other posts out,
 H> but this one I searched for on DejaNews and Altavista, and I
 H> could find NO reference to it.  Even AltaVista would have kept a

Go to DejaNews.

Bring up the Power Search menu.

Look at the database dates - Matt sent that message on the 13th of
September and DejaNews only goes back to the 19th.

Look at the OLD database setting.

Click on it.

Search for "should lightening strike my family" - complete with
mispelling of lightning.

Then come back.

I've got Matt's nonsense on record back to 1991.

 H> You might also want to mention why many of the posts you pushed
 H> forward have been edited, neatly snipped where the quoted lines
 H> would have been. Hmmm?

You'll see the quotes in context. There is no change in meaning.

 H> being discussed, my only concern is sniffing out any possible
 H> conspiracy there may have been to get one Matthias Giwer banned
 H> from 4 different ISP's.

Try nutso's claims that I told him that I did wetwork for the
Mossad. Wetwork - as in assassinations and murder.

Ask him for verifiable evidence. Matt is delusional.

Making up stories is easy. In Matt's case, he makes up nonsense
without verification.

I don't need to make up stories about Matt - the truth is enough.

Matt got himself kicked off by stepping over the line.

Among other things, he threatened the postmaster of Internet Canada
with a mailbomb. Not too good an idea, considering the rather
unusual nature of Canadian ISPs. Matt effectively threatened
everybody up to and including AT&T.

IOW - Matt is enough of an enemy to himself. He needs no help in
opening mouth, inserting foot and KICKing!

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From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 29 21:45:47 PST 1996
Article: 77749 of alt.revisionism
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Date: 29 Oct 96 13:25:29
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 a> Acvcording to officials of both the Auditor General of Canada,
 a> and Revenue Canada Taxation, the illegal removal of more than
 a> 2.2. BILLION dollars was most definitely NOT LEGAL!!!

Absolutely RIGHT!

The legal removal was definitely legal, however.

 a> That is why the officials held their press conferences, to
 a> advise the public, that the JEWS had illegally removed the funds
 a> from Canada!!!

Transcripts, please.

 a> It was Revenue Canada who exposed the farud by JEWISH CHARITIES
 a> giving false receipts for tax purposes, which also is against
 a> the laws of Canada.

Nope - never happened.

Revenue Canada changed the status of Jewish Charities. The tax
receipts given prior to the status change were legal.

What false receipts receipts were given *AFTER* the status change?

Other than that horrendous amount of *ZERO*.

The status change, however, was not legal.


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From alec@gryn.org Tue Oct 29 23:13:18 PST 1996
Article: 77751 of alt.revisionism
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From: alec@gryn.org (Alec Grynspan)
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Subject: The real bad Mcvay
Date: 29 Oct 96 13:31:06
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<+[The real bad Mcvay] [28 Oct 96 09:24][*][0]*>

 >> KEN MCVAY - A PROFILE
 >>
 >> Information provided by the Edmonton Journal (a supporter)
 >>
 >> He appears as an scruffy aging hippy.  At 55 he still can't
 >> manage a decent haircut.  The pony tail is just plain ugly. He
 >> served as a marine - they couldn't stand him.

 a> WHY was he released from the USMC? Was it for a valid reasons,
 a> such as conduct unbecoming, or why???

 >> He served as a policeman - they couldn't stand him.

Information provided by The Grosvener is a Schmuck Magazine:

Questions that Grosvener/Acid-Queen won't answer:

Why does Grosvenor/Gruber/Planarian think that bogus questions
generated by quoting himself have any merit?

When will Grosvener/Candyman stop diddling little boys?

When will Grosvenor/Gruber/Buttfucker stop exposing himself in
public?

Hey! This is *SO* EASY!!!

++GMAIL 1.3++ Which clown are you - Bozo or Clarabelle?
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<+[Re: Aluminum foil contains pork? [was: Re: Two Questions for Charles (] [28
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 TA>   However, as you note, this is a civil case of trademark
 TA> infringement.  It is not a criminal matter.

No - since it goes beyond that.

A highly religious person, discovering that the product is *NOT*
kosher could easily be stressed into illness.

I took some Muslim friends out for some Dim Sum, steering them away
>from  the pork dishes. Since I am non-observent, I ordered some Sui
Mi for myself. One of the fellows decided to take one out of the
serving dish and try it. He accused me of keeping the best-tasting
dishe for myself.

I told him what it contained. He turned an interesting shade of
green and threw up. He was ill for a week!

 TA> substandard product but the danger would have to be demonstrated
 TA> and "meets or exceeds" is a valid.  This could apply on products

False. The judge would not ask if it met standards. It goes beyond
trademark infringement, which was the defense used prior to the
passage of the law.

It is FRAUD - plain and simple.

In the case of counterfeit standard seals, the intent is to make
money by defrauding the public.

The seal certifies a standard.

The same applies if someone sells a car part with a bogus GM logo.
The quality of the part will not even be queried - only the
counterfeiting of the logo.

Trademark infringement is the use of a trademark against the wishes
of its owner, but not necessarily in a fraudulent fashion.

Example: The Itty Bitty Machine company that uses the blue-stripe
IBM logo, but calls itself by its real name is infringing on a
trademark.

Use a toy gun in a stickup and the fact that its harmless won't get
you out of a long sentence if the victim dies of a heart attack.

In fact, it's still armed robbery.

 TA>   As there is no way for anyone to be harmed by eating
 TA> non-kosher food, the government does not have a dog in that
 TA> fight.

Again - false. See above.

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