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Here is a collection of articles and e-mails, all from, to, or about 
William Grosvenor, a nazi who has been causing a lot of trouble on the 
internet. I hope this helps anyone who honestly desires to stop this hate 
mail, the posts, and threats by this individual. Mr. Grosvenor may try to 
lie his way out of facing up to his responsibilities to this society, but I 
sincerely hope these e-mails and usenet posts will help to clarify what 
he is really about.

Yours truly

Caprina


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Subject: Attention: Harrassment by acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca!
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To whom it may concern:

It has come to my attention that William Grosvenor 
(acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca) has not only been bothering me via 
e-mail, these usenet articles prove that he has also harrassed at least 
three other people. The reason, he is a nazi, a hate monger.
The articles follow:

ab.general #19477 (70 more)
From: jkodish@thwap.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca (Jason Kodish)
Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,ab.politics,can.politics,can.general,alt. 
+           society.generation-x
Subject: Sick nazi sends me hate mail
Distribution: world
Date: Sun Mar 10 19:19:06 MST 1996
Organization: Thirring Institute for Applied Gravitational Res
Lines: 38
 
I don't normally post private e-mail, but this individual is hiding in
the shadows preaching his hate and vile idiocy. This creature deserves to
be exposed for what it really is.  Call it. Nuke it, Kill it, if you must. 
 
 
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:48:48 -0700 (MST)
From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
To: jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Subject: Re: FEDS FED UP WITH WELFARE BUMS!!! 
  
Sounds as though you are one of the Jewish faggots,dying from AIDS.Hope
you suffer a lot before you get cremated. 
 
Looks like some of your enemies are retaliating for the Mossad murders,so
be sure you don't take buses when you take your last trip to Palestine. 
 
 May you rot in pain,for being the Jewish lying bastard that you
 are,illiterate as you really are. 
 
William Grosvenor e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
DEADMONTON, Alberta
CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555
 
 
 
 
--
Jason Kodish
Thirring Institute for Applied Gravitational Research
Thirring homepage: http://www.geopages.com/siliconvalley/1659
______________________________________________________________________________
How can semi-intelligent people endowed with 
whole Continent of resource riches get it so
messed up. -Martin Burger
End of article 19477 (of 19522) -- what next? [npq]
ab.general #19492 (69 more)
From: bill@whitehouse.com (Bill Clinton)
Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,ab.politics,can.politics,can.general,alt. 
+           society.generation-x
Subject: Re: Sick nazi sends me hate mail
Date: Tue Mar 12 12:19:45 MST 1996
Organization: White House
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>Sounds as though you are one of the Jewish faggots,dying from AIDS.Hope
>you suffer a lot before you get cremated. 
>Looks like some of your enemies are retaliating for the Mossad murders,so
>be sure you don't take buses when you take your last trip to Palestine. 
>May you rot in pain,for being the Jewish lying bastard that you
>are,illiterate as you really are. 
>William Grosvenor e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
 
 >--
>Jason Kodish
 
 
Wow, are you sure this is really acumen?  I know he's crazy but I didn't
think he was that crazy, the worst I ever got from him was being called a
"commie".  Whoever it is though, they deserve a good ol'beating. 
 
-Zman
 
End of article 19492 (of 19522) -- what next? [npq]
ab.general #19497 (68 more)
Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,ab.politics,can.politics,can.general,alt. 
+           society.generation-x
From: doug@ve6bc.ampr.ab.ca (Douglas R. MacKintosh)
Subject: Re: Sick nazi sends me hate mail
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+             Canada. 
Date: Tue Mar 12 10:34:35 MST 1996
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jkodish@thwap.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca (Jason Kodish) writes: 
 
>I don't normally post private e-mail, but this individual is hiding in
>the shadows preaching his hate and vile idiocy. This creature deserves to
>be exposed for what it really is. 
>Call it. Nuke it, Kill it, if you must. 
 
Jason is right. (Ow! Now *that* hurt to say. ;-)
  
I couldn't agree more. He is well beyond offensive. My evaluation of his
mind is that it needs some work done to the frontal lobes - the kind of work
you do with a hole-saw and a mix-master. Medication alone would be
insufficient. 
 
The hate and filth that this idiot spews speaks of deep problems within his
psyche. His apparent sincerity is alarming. 
 
I received *exactly* the same sentiments from him in email. He went *wild*
with the Jewish/AIDS/oven/gas-chamber hate stuff and at that point I knew he
couldn't be a troll and was damaged goods. He seems to call everyone who
disagrees with him a gay Jew dying of AIDS who needs to be gassed or baked. 
He seems to think that the Nazis had the right idea and puts forth the
concept that we'd all be better off if the Nazis were in power. He appears to
be totally sincere in his beliefs. It is sad that someone could beleive these
things. It is not scary - not even a little - just sad and sick and 
cowardly. 
 
I quit responding to him at that point. 
 
-- Doug
 
ps - I'd bet that he doesn't get invited to a lot of parties either. 
  

> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:48:48 -0700 (MST) 
> From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca > To: jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca >
Subject: Re: FEDS FED UP WITH WELFARE BUMS!!! 
  
>Sounds as though you are one of the Jewish faggots,dying from AIDS.Hope
>you suffer a lot before you get cremated. 
 
>Looks like some of your enemies are retaliating for the Mossad murders,so
>be sure you don't take buses when you take your last trip to Palestine. 
 
>May you rot in pain,for being the Jewish lying bastard that you
>are,illiterate as you really are. 
 
>William Grosvenor e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
>9208 - 137 Avenue or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
>DEADMONTON, Alberta
>CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555
--
Doug MacKintosh - VE6BC
doug@ve6bc.ampr.ab.ca
"We should have shotguns for this kind of a deal." - Jules Winnfield
End of article 19497 (of 19522) -- what next? [npq]
ab.general #19504 (68 more)
From: mcbride@ee.ualberta.ca (Darin McBride)
Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,ab.politics,can.politics,can.general,alt. 
+           society.generation-x
Subject: Re: Sick nazi sends me hate mail
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+            society.generation-x
Date: Tue Mar 12 14:01:28 MST 1996
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Jason Kodish (jkodish@thwap.nl2k.edmonton.ab.ca) wrote: 
> I don't normally post private e-mail, but this individual is hiding in
> the shadows preaching his hate and vile idiocy. This creature deserves to
> be exposed for what it really is. 
> Call it. Nuke it, Kill it, if you must. 
 
 
> Sounds as though you are one of the Jewish faggots,dying from AIDS.Hope
> you suffer a lot before you get cremated. 
 
Jewish, maybe.  Faggot?  I've never gotten close enough to him to tell. 
;-)
 
> CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555
 
Conveniently he leaves a phone number.  Anyone know if it's real? 
 
--
Darin McBride:mcbride@ee.ualberta.ca/mcbride@tower.bohica.net
 
Enjoy each day as if it were your last, care about each moment as if it
were your last for one day, one moment, you *will* be right! 
 
Tips & Tricks for IBM Hardware, MSDOS, OS2, Windows (including Win'95): 
        http://www.ee.ualberta.ca/~mcbride/tiptrick.html
End of article 19504 (of 19522) -- what next? [npq] 
  
*end of articles.*

**********************************************************************
Excerpt from the Criminal Code of Canada, 
                 Chapter C-46, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. 
**********************************************************************

Section 318,  Hate Propaganda
(1)  Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an
     indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not
     exceeding five years.

(2)  In this section, "genocide means any of the following acts
     committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any
     identifiable group, namely,
    (a)   killing members of the group; or
    (b)   deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
          calculated to bring about its physical destruction.

(3)  No proceeding for an offence under this section shall be
     instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.

(4)  In this section, "identifiable group" means any section of 
     the public distinguished by colour, race religion or ethnic 
     origin.


Section 319:
(1)  Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place,
     incites hatred against any identifiable group where such inci-
     tement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
    (a)   an indictable offense and is liable to imprisonment for
          a term not exceeding two years; or
    (b)   an offence punishable on summary conviction

(2)  Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private
     conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable 
     group is guilty of
    (a)   an indictable offense and is liable to imprisonment for
          a term not exceeding two years; or
    (b)   an offence punishable on summary conviction

(3)  No person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (2)
    (a)   if he establishes that the statements communicated were 
          true;
    (b)   if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by
          argument an opinion on a religious subject;
    (c)   if the statements were relevant to any subject of public 
          interest, the discussion of which was for the public bene-
          fit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be 
          true; or
    (d)   if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose
          of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings
          of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.

(4)  Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 318 or 
     subsection (1) or (2) of this section, anything by means of or in
     relation to which the offence was committed, on such conviction, 
     may in addition to any other punishment imposed, be ordered by 
     the presiding magistrate or judge to be forfeited to Her Majesty 
     in right of the province in which that person is convicted, for 
     disposal as the Attorney General may direct.

(5)  Subsections 199(6) and (7) apply with such modifications as the 
     circumstances require to section 318 or subsection (1) or (2) of 
     this section.

(6)  No proceeding for an offence under subsection (2) shall be insti-
     tuted without the consent of the Attorney General.

(7)  
In this section, "communicating" includes communicating by telephone, 
broadcasting or other audible or visible means;
"identifiable group" has the same meaning as in section 318;
"public place" includes any place to which the public have access as 
          of right or by invitation, express or implied;
"statements" includes words spoken or written or recorded 
          electronically or electro magnetically or otherwise, and 
          gestures, signs or other visible representations.

=====================


I urge you to act now and stop this mennace, hate is no joke. The 
holocaust happened because of people just like William Grosvenor. If you 
will communicate with one another and help in the fight against such 
hate, all of the people on the internet and otherwise will benefit. 
Please help to stopp these criminal acts now. If necessary, delete his 
account, or get the police involved. William Grosvenor does not heed 
warnings. I found that out personally.

Thank you for your time.

yours truly

Caprina


More articles from and about him:

>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Tue Apr  9 21:16:56 MDT 1996
Article: 4060 of calgary.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: ab.general,edm.general,calgary.general,yk.general
Subject: DEADMONTON MAYOR HELPS CALGARY
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 18:20:57 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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It seems that Deadmonton's usedtire salesman/mayor is hellbent on helping
the City of Calgary,rather than his own constituents.
 
First,he deliberately snubs an international trade delegation who had had
an arranged appointment to meet with him.This,after they had flown from Germany
halfway around the world to meet and discuss business.
 
Then,our useless twit deliberately snubs the Prime Minister,and refuses
to meet with him,and federal MPs.
 
Now,our cluelss incompetent,probably suffering from too much rubber
fumes,or just insanity,announces worldwide at press conferences, that the
Toronto Banks are warning potential developers that REDMONTON IS NOT A
GOOD ENVIRONMENT FOR INVESTMENT. Of course Redmonton is terrible for
business,with anti-business policies and practices such as those of the
mayor!!!And he expects the Toronto Banks to change their minds because he says so.
 
Don't forget,it was this lying politician who promised all the northern
cities he would fight to keep the Edmonton airport open. Then,he lied and
doublecrossed them,by closing down the Edmonton MUNI Airport,so his
realestate shysters in Leduc could benefit,at a cost to Edmonton
taxpayers of more than $5 millions a year!!!Now Slime Willy is annoyed
because all the northern communities are BOYCOTTING DEADMONTON. They are
doing their business,including R & R in Calgary,and Vancouver,where they
are welcomed,and not lied to.
 
Could it be that Schmidt has a secret agenda,paid for by who knows,to
destroy what remains of Deadmonton's economy?
 
Comments invited,even from thriving Calgary.

>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 10 00:42:33 MDT 1996
Article: 22803 of ab.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general,tor.general,ab.general,van.general,mtl.general,ott.general,edm.general
Subject: Support AFL - ANTI FAGGOT LEAGUE
Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 07:00:49 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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If you feel that faggots should not get special rights at the expense of 
your dollars and those of all normal humans, then join AFL - ANTI-FAGGOT 
LEAGUE.

Further information from dan67@ix.netcom.com.

Mother Nature seems to have introduced AIDS as her move to get rid of 
these perverts.Perhaps AFL will help in the political arena.

If you believe in traditional family values,you should also support AFL.

>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 10 14:09:25 MDT 1996
Article: 4254 of calgary.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
Subject: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 17:59:11 +0700
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In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration 
Department is now allowing faggots from Poland,especially if they have 
AIDS, into Canada as refugees.

These perverts claim refugee status since the Polish government doesn't 
recognise them as legitimate refugees,merely as deviants.

By admitting them into Canada,all normal people,who pay taxes are 
subsidising the perverted lifestyle of these good for nothings,at a cost 
rumored to be in excess of $50,000 per year,until they die.The costs of 
their medical care is not included in these figures.

Why should Canada be a dumping ground for the garbage of humanity,at 
taxpayer expense,when they are not legitimate refugees?

Is there a correlation between these,and the indecent haste with which 
the Cretinous government wants all Canadians to pay for all the faggots 
in Canada?

It is obvious that "traditional family values" have no longer any meaning 
to either the Liberals,or the rotten Reform Party in Canada under Presto 
Manning.

Perhaps it is now time for the National Citizens Coalition, to make 
itself heard,as the right thinking political alternative for Canada!!!
>From acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Tue May 14 01:21:02 MDT 1996
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From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
Newsgroups: can.politics
Subject: FIRE FAGGOTS - CLOSE DOWN BUSINESSES
Date: 12 May 1996 17:04:00 GMT
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If you are as disgusted as most business owners,teach the faggot-loving 
Canadian government how you feel.

Close down your businesses,and tell those employees who are not faggots 
that the reason is because you will never support faggots,or their lovers.

Tell them you want a faggot free environemnt where you,the business owner 
decide who you want working in YOUR operations,not being forced to hire 
undesirables.

There are many places in North America where your businesses,and jobs 
will be welcomed - such as Idaho,Wisconsin,Montana,Tennessee,and even 
Mexico.With NAFTA no problem selling to your former customers either.

Another point to consider,in all the places mentioned above one also has 
PROPERTY RIGHTS, and GUN RIGHTS. In other words you are allowed by law to 
protect your property,and your rights,even to prevent undesirables from 
entering your property.

When enough of the gutless majority in Canada find themselves 
unemployed,then perhaps they also will revolt,and once and for all get 
rid of the problem of perverts.

Don't forget, AIDS was spread deliberately by the faggot with Air Canada 
worldwide,with the assistance of the Canadian government.This has been 
well documented in both the book and movie entitled, "AND THE BAND PLAYED 
ON".

It seems that only the Muslim religion knows how to take care of the 
problem of faggots. They believe that faggots must be stoned to death.
>From acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Wed May 15 03:25:05 MDT 1996
Article: 48071 of can.general
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From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: WON'T EMPLOY FAGGOTS!!!
Date: 10 May 1996 00:28:41 GMT
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No damn communist Canadian Government can make me,or any other employer 
hire faggots.

Sooner than hire faggots,or even remain in a country run by,and for 
faggots and their spreading AIDS, we will close down all our 
businesses,laying off tens of thousands,and we will relocate to some less 
faggot-ridden country!!!

When the Canadian government finds a massive increase in unemployment in 
the next few months,caused by normal business owners relocating to 
faggot-free locales,what excuse will the faggot-lovers give then?

No wonder the commie government doesn't want normal people to own guns - 
they fear the people!!!!


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 03:25:39 MDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: FIRE FAGGOTS-CLOSE DOWN BUSINESSES
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:05:45 +0700
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Like many other normal business owners,we will never hire faggots.

Further,sooner than be forced to have anything to do with such 
perverts,we will be shortly closing down all our operations in 
faggot-loving Canada.We will be joining the exodus of many tens of 
thousands of jobs,creating even more massive unemployment.

These many tens of thousands of jobs will be relocated,thanks to NAFTA,in 
anti-faggot locations such as Wisconsin,Montana,Idaho or even Mexico.

What will all the faggots and fdaggot lovers then be doing for 
employment?Who will be paying increased taxes for the astronomical jump 
in welfare recipients?Guess who - you,all the stupid faggot lovers!!!

I guess the real reason Herr Stein/Rock wants to deny normal people the 
right to own firearms,is because he knows how REAL HUMANS will react to 
enforcing perverts on normal people.
>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 23:12:11 MDT 1996
Article: 23412 of ab.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
Subject: FAGGOTS SPREAD AIDS-WHY PROTECT THEM?
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Dr.Grant Hill,MP, is completely correct in stating that faggots spread 
disease.

He is far too polite,since I am sure he also has read the acclaimed 
documentary book "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON",which also became a movie, 
which details how AIDS was spread worldwide,deliberately,by the faggot 
with Air Canada.This was even supported by the government of Canada.

Now,normal people all over the world must pay for these perverts and the 
astronomic costs for their medical care until they get cremated.

I feel that they should NOT GET SPECIAL RIGHTS,even if the faggot loving 
Canadian government wants to give them.

Is there any real use for disease spreading faggots?

In the old days faggots were burned,so is this practical now?


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 23:13:13 MDT 1996
Article: 23441 of ab.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,tor.general,calgary.general,van.general
Subject: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:23:27 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the 
faggots and lesbians.

The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the 
perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional 
family.

First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews 
want to destroy the family.

One must ask, WHY?


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 23:13:32 MDT 1996
Article: 23442 of ab.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,van.general
Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:03:08 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
 
 In Alberta Canada Senator Ghitter,together with Bnai Brith and other
 jewish groups are openly supporting special rights for faggots and for
 more powers for the socalled human rights commission.

 These same groups campaign against citizens having either property
 rights,or even gun rights.
 
 Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder of unborn
 babies at his abortionariums,paid by taxpayers to add insult to injury.
 
 Hopefully,more and more sensible people will see the correlation between
 destruction of the traditional family,and family values,and the vermin
 involved in destroying families in Canada.

>From jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu Thu May 16 15:39:00 MDT 1996
Article: 23454 of ab.general
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From: jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu (Jason Silverman)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,van.general,calgary.general
Subject: William Grosvenor believes in crap!
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:05:39 -0600
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By his own admission, William Grosvenor is LITERALLY a firm believer in
the philosophy of crap!  Don't believe me?  Sure you do!  Want a good
laugh?  Check out this startling admission and an enumeration of billy g's
really sound ideas at 

http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/acumen/acumen1.htm

There you will find real side splitting attempts at political philosophy,
including:

- Canada's very own militias!

- Fun with self-contradiction, or, People Should Be Able To Kill People With 
   Whom They Disagree!

- We care more about fascist politics than being able to eat, or, the three 
   westernmost provinces of canada (assuming BC would actually go along with
   those losers) should be independent!

- And many, many more!


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 15:45:24 MDT 1996
Article: 23506 of ab.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,tor.general,calgary.general,van.general,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:31:01 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the
faggots and lesbians.
 
The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the
perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional
family.
 
First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews
want to destroy the family.
 
One must ask, WHY? Wasn't it enough that Christ was murdered?

Also,why are some ISPs now deleting messages on this topic?


>From rnewell@vcn.bc.ca Thu May 16 15:48:31 MDT 1996
Article: 23523 of ab.general
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From: rnewell@vcn.bc.ca (colin newell)
Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
Subject: Re: Hate-mongers, why protect and/or indulge them ?
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:  wrote:

the following was snipped off grosvenors web page.....

DEATH PENALTY to be provided for serious crimes, whether by males or 
females, such
as for drug trafficking, multiple murder, repeat drunk driving, sexual 
perverts, serious
sexual attacks, armed robbery, as well as criminal negligence resulting 
in serious injury or
death.


I urge all USENET readers to send their opinions on this hate
material to the webmaster@compusmart.ab.ca



--
Robert Colin Newell
http://espresso.ts.uvic.ca
The Coffee Expert's Web Page


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 22:25:12 MDT 1996
Article: 4363 of calgary.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.infohighway,soc.culture.canada,bc.general,tor.general,mtl.general,ont.general,ott.general,muc.general,calgary.general,edm.general,can.atlantic.general
Subject: Re: SURVEY: Rate Your Internet Service Provider, a National Survey
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:49:40 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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Message-ID: <31997E84.1A22@compusmart.ab.ca>
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To: mark@canadas.net

@canadas.net Online Services wrote:
> 
> @canadas.net Online Services
> ==========================
> 
> Survey Address:  http://www.canadas.net/survey.html
> 
> Objective:
> 
> To collect a broad sample of feedback from the general public
> concerning their Internet Service Providers (ISP).  This survey is
> being conducted independently of any ISP and results will be published
> in CA Internet Daily our Internet News Service, in the media and made
> available to ISP's.
> 
> This is your oppotunity to voice your opinion on the state of service
> you are receiving today.  We anticipate to gather anywhere from 1500
> to 5000 submissions making this the first large scale survey of its
> kind in Canada.
> 
> If your news organization is interested in receiving the results of
> this survey please contact us at 604.687.8797.
> 
> @canadas.net Online Services
> http://www.canadas.net/
> Vancouver, B.C.COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with 
service almost as bad as it can get!!!

Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.

Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as 
well.

I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong 
warning!!!


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 22:28:19 MDT 1996
Article: 4389 of calgary.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,edm.general,alt.revisonism,alt.discrimination
Subject: COMPUSMART - COMPLAINTS,yes!!
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:19:14 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
Lines: 38
Message-ID: <319A6672.794@compusmart.ab.ca>
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To: Shane Henderson 

Shane Henderson wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor  wrote:
> >COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with
> >service almost as bad as it can get!!
> 
> >Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.
> 
> >Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as
> >well.
> 
> >I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong
> >warning!!!
> 
>         Mr. Grosvenor, I appreciate your feedback about our service.  I can
> assure you that we do NOT censor newsgroups, and we strive constantly
> to improve our service, including our newsfeed.
> 
>         I do wonder, though:  Might your complaints have something to do with
> the fact that we notified you three days ago about us NOT renewing
> your account due to nearly one hundred complaints of sending hate mail
> and harassing other Internet users?
> 
>         I would also welcome feedback from any of our users about our service
> via email to Shane.Henderson@compusmart.ab.ca.  Comments and
> complaints can also be addressed to paulb@compusmart.ab.ca.
> 
>         Shane Henderson, B.Sc.,CNE,MCP
>         System Administrator
>         CompuSmart Edmonton/SmartNetShane Henderson,either you are a cretin or insane.

Until your firm sent the memo regarding termination of service, neither 
you nor any other gopher at COMPUSMART had EVER bothered to tell me about 
any alleged complaints.

Since what I have commented on in all my messages to newsgroups are my 
opinions,and are not illegal as such,you and your fellow incompetents 
feel that you can act as censors.


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 22:25:12 MDT 1996
Article: 4363 of calgary.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.infohighway,soc.culture.canada,bc.general,tor.general,mtl.general,ont.general,ott.general,muc.general,calgary.general,edm.general,can.atlantic.general
Subject: Re: SURVEY: Rate Your Internet Service Provider, a National Survey
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:49:40 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
Lines: 35
Message-ID: <31997E84.1A22@compusmart.ab.ca>
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To: mark@canadas.net

@canadas.net Online Services wrote:
> 
> @canadas.net Online Services
> ==========================
> 
> Survey Address:  http://www.canadas.net/survey.html
> 
> Objective:
> 
> To collect a broad sample of feedback from the general public
> concerning their Internet Service Providers (ISP).  This survey is
> being conducted independently of any ISP and results will be published
> in CA Internet Daily our Internet News Service, in the media and made
> available to ISP's.
> 
> This is your oppotunity to voice your opinion on the state of service
> you are receiving today.  We anticipate to gather anywhere from 1500
> to 5000 submissions making this the first large scale survey of its
> kind in Canada.
> 
> If your news organization is interested in receiving the results of
> this survey please contact us at 604.687.8797.
> 
> @canadas.net Online Services
> http://www.canadas.net/
> Vancouver, B.C.COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with 
service almost as bad as it can get!!!

Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.

Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as 
well.

I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong 
warning!!!


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 22:28:19 MDT 1996
Article: 4389 of calgary.general
Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,edm.general,alt.revisonism,alt.discrimination
Subject: COMPUSMART - COMPLAINTS,yes!!
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:19:14 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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To: Shane Henderson 

Shane Henderson wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor  wrote:
> >COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with
> >service almost as bad as it can get!!
> 
> >Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.
> 
> >Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as
> >well.
> 
> >I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong
> >warning!!!
> 
>         Mr. Grosvenor, I appreciate your feedback about our service.  I can
> assure you that we do NOT censor newsgroups, and we strive constantly
> to improve our service, including our newsfeed.
> 
>         I do wonder, though:  Might your complaints have something to do with
> the fact that we notified you three days ago about us NOT renewing
> your account due to nearly one hundred complaints of sending hate mail
> and harassing other Internet users?
> 
>         I would also welcome feedback from any of our users about our service
> via email to Shane.Henderson@compusmart.ab.ca.  Comments and
> complaints can also be addressed to paulb@compusmart.ab.ca.
> 
>         Shane Henderson, B.Sc.,CNE,MCP
>         System Administrator
>         CompuSmart Edmonton/SmartNetShane Henderson,either you are a cretin or insane.

Until your firm sent the memo regarding termination of service, neither 
you nor any other gopher at COMPUSMART had EVER bothered to tell me about 
any alleged complaints.

Since what I have commented on in all my messages to newsgroups are my 
opinions,and are not illegal as such,you and your fellow incompetents 
feel that you can act as censors.


>From acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Sat May 18 03:29:03 MDT 1996
Article: 48496 of can.general
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ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!acumen
From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Why no Faggot Question on Census?
Date: 15 May 1996 00:35:00 GMT
Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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In view of all the pro-faggot pronouncements from Jews and the Canadian 
Government,together with Bill 33, why is there no question about faggots 
in the Census?

Surely the government needs to know how many,so that they can force 
businesses to hire x percent of faggots?

Or, do they already know,by having infiltrated all the faggot groups,how 
many,or how few of them,there are?

Since they ask questions about both race,and nationality,why not about 
faggots?


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May 18 03:30:12 MDT 1996
Article: 48551 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 04:48:41 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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Investors,and intending Immigrants should seriously consider AVOIDING 
CANADA.

Some of the reasons include:
If you believe in traditional family values,then this no longer exists in 
Canada.Did you know that the faggot loving Canadian Government now gives 
special rights to perverts and homosexuals?This means that you and your 
family now run increased risks regardings AIDS and other STD from these 
perverts,apart from significant increased costs for health care.

Did you know that most of the so-called investor immigrants have in fact 
been swindled,according to all the reliable news media here in canada?Are 
you so desperate to leave Hong Kong,and other parts of S.E.Asia that you 
fail to take proper care in checking these so-called investments?Even 
senior government officials from Canada are involved in these 
multi-million dollar frauds,such as Mr.Dutton from Alberta,who took many 
millions from you. And he is just one of many thousands of swindles 
recently.

Anyone interested in further information is welcome to contact me,at

acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May 18 14:11:17 MDT 1996
Article: 48759 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,tor.general,can.general,ont.general,alt.discrimination
Subject: ERNST ZUNDEL IN NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:53:50 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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Media across Canada today proudly announced that well known Toronto 
businessman, Ernst Zundel is being featured in National geographic 
Magazine.

His views on the increase in crime in Toronto,Canada included his 
commentary regarding the increase in crime attributable to black 
criminals.

Ernst Zundel is well known for his historical research into the accuracy 
of alleged death counts in World war 2.

He is a strong proponent of complete freedom of speech, and has been 
persecuted for some of his views with which a powerful minority disagree, 
since it doesn't agree with their version of what is truth.
>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sun May 19 03:00:41 MDT 1996
Article: 48794 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,can.politics
Subject: Bronfmans transferred $2 billions
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:51:26 +0700
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Sun newspapers in Canada reveal that the Bronfmans transferred $2 billion 
in 1985 and 1991 as part fo a tax dodge.

The Auditor General of Canada complained that this scam cost the Canadian 
taxpayers billions in missing taxes.

In fact the news reports states that a conscientious official at Revenue 
Canada initially disallowed the money transfers, but that some senior 
snivel servant then arranged to allow it.

Don't forget that the Bronfmans are extremely active in the World Jewish 
Congress.


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 22 04:02:55 MDT 1996
Article: 49001 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:05:19 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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T.K. wrote:
> 
> IF CANADA IS SO HORRIBLE WHY ARE YOU STILL THERE?  THINKING OF MIGRATING TO S.E.ASIA?
I am lucky, since I have British Citizenship.

I am considering relocating businesses to a better environment, such as 
perhaps Singapore, Malaysia or Indonesia.  I have lived and worked in 
these countries in the past, and as for preferred choice, I would have to 
recommend Lee Kwan Yew's nation.


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 22 04:03:17 MDT 1996
Article: 49002 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:08:57 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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Y.S.F. Kong wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 May 1996, William Grosvenor wrote:
> > If you believe in traditional family values,then this no longer exists in
> > Canada.Did you know that the faggot loving Canadian Government now gives
> > special rights to perverts and homosexuals?This means that you and your
> > family now run increased risks regardings AIDS and other STD from these
> > perverts,apart from significant increased costs for health care.
> 
>   Now that is really low,
> 
>     So what if the Canadian govt.gives rights to homosexuals? They are
> citizens too and should be given the same rights and privileges as anyone
> else,if they get special privileges then good for them. There is
> absolutely no way that you can contact AIDS or STD from them if you are
> not a homosexual yourself,not from blood transfusions because blood is
> screened first for viruses. You stand a better chance if you are a
> hetrosexual from being infected by a cheap hooker rather than from a
> homosexual especially since you have no sexual contact with them.
> 
>   I think that you are a bigot,plain and simple. A person should not be
> discriminated against just because of his sexual preferences.
> 
>                                                 FRED.Since you do not live in Canada, I will have to forgive your ignorance, 
on two key points.

First, it has been well documented in both the book, and later the movie, 
entitled "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON" that AIDS was spread worldwide, 
deliberately, by the Canadian faggot with Air Canada.

Secondly, the Canadian Red Cross have been investigated by the Krever 
Royal Commission here in Canada, regarding its' involvement in the spread 
of AIDS through distributing contaminated blood. Thousands of people have 
died,and are dying because of their involvement.Perhaps where you are, 
there have not been such calamities, for which you can be thankful.


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 22 04:07:47 MDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:25:57 +0700
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William Grosvenor wrote:
> 
> T.K. wrote:
> >
> > IF CANADA IS SO HORRIBLE WHY ARE YOU STILL THERE?  THINKING OF MIGRATING TO S.E.ASIA?
> I am lucky, since I have British Citizenship.
> 
> I am considering relocating businesses to a better environment, such as
> perhaps Singapore, Malaysia or Indonesia.  I have lived and worked in
> these countries in the past, and as for preferred choice, I would have to
> recommend Lee Kwan Yew's nation.

One of the key points I made related to the many thousands of so-called 
immigrant investors, who had been deliberately swindled by con artists, 
into losing millions of dollars on questionable investments in Canada.

Many of these people were so desperate to leave S.E.Asia and Hong Kong, 
they failed to check the so-called investments.

Further, they did not know that the communist government of Canada 
charges from 50 to 76% Personal Income Tax,on just over $59,000 gross 
income!!!

Potential Immigrants to Canada are invited to contact me for further 
information, which may save you millions.

reach me either by reply, or E-Mail to acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 22 04:08:16 MDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:49:15 +0700
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Steve Sundberg wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor (acumen@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:
> : Investors,and intending Immigrants should seriously consider AVOIDING
> : CANADA.
> 
> : Some of the reasons include:
> : If you believe in traditional family values,then this no longer exists in
> : Canada.Did you know that the faggot loving Canadian Government now gives
> : special rights to perverts and homosexuals?This means that you and your
> : family now run increased risks regardings AIDS and other STD from these
> : perverts,apart from significant increased costs for health care.
> 
> I suppose your family would run an increased risk if they engaged in
> unprotected sex, were given tainted blood or shared a needle with an
> infected drug user.  Other than that, gettings AIDS is pretty damn
> difficult.  By the way, your homophobia is showing.
> 
> : Did you know that most of the so-called investor immigrants have in fact
> : been swindled,according to all the reliable news media here in canada?Are
> : you so desperate to leave Hong Kong,and other parts of S.E.Asia that you
> : fail to take proper care in checking these so-called investments?Even
> : senior government officials from Canada are involved in these
> : multi-million dollar frauds,such as Mr.Dutton from Alberta,who took many
> : millions from you. And he is just one of many thousands of swindles
> : recently.
> 
> Like the saying goes: buyer beware.
> 
> By the way, your xenophobia is showing.
> 
> --
> 
>                  \|/ ____ \|/     |  Steve Sundberg
>                  "@'/ ,. \`@"     |  deejay@mm.com
>                  /_| \__/ |_\     |  73617.105@compuserv.com
>                     \__U_/        |  steve.sundberg@tclbbs.comHow can you accuse me of xenophobia?

First, I have lived and worked in S.E.Asia, in Malaysia, Singapore, 
Indonesia and Taiwan. I even have a malaysian-Chinese wife.

Please but your brain into gear, before opening your mouth.

The warning to potential IMMIGRANTS TO CANADA is information to those 
interested,and concerned.


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 22 04:24:15 MDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general,bc.general
Subject: Re: Homosexuality, Judaism, and fellow-Canadians who turn my stomach
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:29:32 +0700
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Tony Buckland wrote:
> 
>  It is with a sense of deep disgust that I have seen the
>  proliferation of threads, each with a horrible vitality, in the
>  last few days with subject lines centering on the word "faggot"
>  and then branching out to include "Jew" and anyone else who
>  might not share the glaring gaze of fanaticism of the poster.
> 
>  In some token gesture of decency, may I here offer the hand of
>  friendship to those of my fellow-Canadians who are the targets
>  of these neo-Nazi clones.
> 
>  Am I one of those they love to despise?  I wouldn't dream of
>  giving them the satisfaction of seeing me hide behind some
>  mainstream barricade.  Let the spittle drool from their twisting
>  lips as they try to decide whether I'm gay or straight, Jew,
>  Christian or neither.  I will happily wear the yellow star or
>  pink triangle to confuse their ravening search and frustrate
>  their divisive aims.  As should we all.


You failed to answer the headline question, namely why are the Jews 
openly supporting the perverted faggots?

Even the prestigious Alberta report is wondering about the correlations 
in their issue of May 13,1996.


>From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 13:31:39 MDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
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Steve Sundberg wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor (acumen@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:
> : Steve Sundberg wrote:
> : >
> : > By the way, your xenophobia is showing.
> 
> : First, I have lived and worked in S.E.Asia, in Malaysia, Singapore,
> : Indonesia and Taiwan. I even have a malaysian-Chinese wife.
> 
> Bully for you.
> 
> : Please but your brain into gear, before opening your mouth.
> 
> Please put your* brain in gear.  The tone of your original post was
> disgustedly racist.
> 
> : The warning to potential IMMIGRANTS TO CANADA is information to those
> : interested,and concerned.
> 
> I'm concerned... about your racism.  I'm sure you haven't posted the same
> message in soc.culture.russia, soc.culture.brazil, soc.culture.germany,
> et al.
> 
> --
> 
>                  \|/ ____ \|/     |  Steve Sundberg
>                  "@'/ ,. \`@"     |  deejay@mm.com
>                  /_| \__/ |_\     |  73617.105@compuserv.com
>                     \__U_/        |  steve.sundberg@tclbbs.com

The article has been posted to those groups from which the majority of 
potential immigrants to Canada originates.

They deserve to be warned about swindles and other risk factors,such as 
risks to their health,in Canada.

>From Wahrheit@cris.com Sat Jun  8 02:05:21 MDT 1996
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According to published reports in soc.culture.malaysia which carried news
reports from Edmonton papers, Grosvenor never ever worked FOR Triple Five.
He always worked AGAINST them!!!

It seems your item in this regard is full of lies.

Aren't you the one who is being constantly criticised for foul language,
Kodish?


Better check your facts,otherwise people may start suing you, and then
where will you be?


On 1 Jun 1996 jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

> The only person Grosswiener put out of work was himself when he teed off 
> the Tripple 5 boys one too many time.
> That pink slip was a mighty big blow to his pretty little ego, which is 
> why he spends all his days crying on Usenet.
> 
> 
> --
> -Jason Kodish
> 
> It is a sad day when one who opposes the ever looming power of the State
> is called an anarchist. When it becomes politically incorrect to believe 
> in such basic precepts such as freedom of choice. It is my belief that 
> those who do not defend their rights deserve to lose them...-Me.
> 
>           
> 
> 

-End of articles so far. If I come across any more, I'll let you know.

E-mails from me and other netters harrassed by and sick of Grosvenor:

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: Caprina
: --


Take heart. Grosvenor's account on compusmart has been revoked as of the
end of May...
Letters of complaint to the sys-admin did the trick.


--
Robert Colin Newell
http://espresso.ts.uvic.ca
The Coffee Expert's Web Page


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>Hello!
>Yes, "what" is the question indeed.
>I found out. Compuserve will not be renewing Grosvenor's membership 
>because of his hate posts and e-mail harrassment. His term is up sometime 
>at the end of this month, I think they said, and then, it's good bye 
>Grosstroll! Hurrawwwwwwwwww!!!!!
>Have you filed a complaint against him? I have, I've filed several, 
>because every new post by him gets immediately reported, along with any 
>e-mail I get from him.

Actually I saw a post in calgary.general from  compusmart's brass stating
that they would not be renewing... Having seen this I thought I'd innocently
rub his nose in it for just a bit 

>I'm so glad to hear you are also helping in the fight against discrimination.
>Thank you, and God bless.

Discrimination is more pervasive than we traditionally acknowledge.  Having
had to face it myself I have little tolerence for gross intolerence.

Then again it is occasionally satisfying to flame a true jerk every now and
then.

Paul

Paul Siller                       siller@freenet.calgary.ab.ca
No Madame I am not lost, but for the record... what town is this?


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On 16 May 1996 16:59:02 -0600, you wrote:

snip

>Sorry for this rant, but fighting against hate can sometimes be a very 
>infuriating task. (Surpressing urge to throw something accross the room.)

Caprina;

Thank you for your rant.  I am glad to see someone put into words the
rage most of us feel on seeing this pornography on the net.  There are
no pictures anywhere that come close to equaling what this person
chooses to share with the rest of us.  The powers that be want special
warnings on "adult sites" on the web and are willing to throw people
in jail for nude pictures, but any child is free to see the worst in
human nature just by reading a newsgroup.  It is an outrage.

I wrote to Mr. Grosvenors ISP a couple of weeks back about his hate
mongering and asked them to review it with him.  I did get a personal
reply stating that although they had no time for him, he did have a
right to his views and could continue as long as he did not breach the
criminal code.  In my opinion I think he has now stepped well beyond
that line and in allowing his account to remain open until the end of
the month, his ISP is as guilty as him in propagating his filth.  I
think that a complaint should be laid against both him and his ISP
under the hate provisions of the criminal code.

I also liked your description of a "true Christian".  It is the Christ
and the God that I believe in and those who use the name of Christ to
justify that sort of hatred towards groups simply have no idea about
what Jesus was all about.  As hard as it is to do, people like him do
need to be prayed for.  I normally do not express to others what I
have written here, but your "rant" did  move me.

Thank you for making my day better.  I found myself getting angry
about this at work today and I am a little ashamed that I could be
manipulated by this tyrant.  Oh well.... :)

Take care

Regards

johnnyo@smartt.com

_______________________________________________________________

I know what I'm doing.... I'm doing it wrong


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-- [ From: Craig Chilton * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --


Hi Caprina !

>     Grosvenor's membership at compusmart is almost up,
> and they *won't*  be renewing his membership! 

       All RIGHT!!!

>       I've been working against him, reporting his horrible
> postings to the postmaster, who wrote me today of  this
> news.  He was appreciative of my assistance.  I'll keep those
> articles around though for the next isp he joins, so I can
> show them what he is all about.

         Good show!  Meanwhile, I'll continue to post from time to time,
just to help out in overwhelming him with logic vs. his insanity.  Maybe if
he can simply realize, sooner or later, that he's truly alone out there (at
least, in Canada, when it comes to his brand of extremism), then perhaps
he'll see the light and give up in despair.

        Oh-oh!!  I just realized something.  Now that I just told everyone 
(in a post) that we have 2 million like-minded nitwits in America, maybe
he'll read it and then move down here and join up with THEM !!!

        What have I done to America ??!!         :-) / :-(     *

Best wishes,
Craig

*  Those happy/sad masks that theaters use.  Ever see that before in a
computer version?  I haven't.  Did I just invent the thing?

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From: colin newell 
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On Thu, 16 May 1996 caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:

> Hello Colin,
> Thanks for the encouragement. :)
> Yes, I got a personal e-mail from the postmaster earlier today, letting 
> me know Grosvenor is getting yanked. Question is, how long before he 
> finds another isp and starts all over again? I have quite a load of 
> articles saved up for the next isp he joins and posts from, and I will 
> forward the whole stinking schmeer along with a notice explaining 
> Grosvenor's abuse of his other accounts. If I could have it my way, he 
> wouldn't be able to get on anywhere. I want the likes of Grosvenor, 
> Kolding and all the other hate mongers gone. Too bad there isn't a way to 
> make that happen.

I think that the internet will change and it will be impossible
to spout hatred with impunity.
I believe that will come one day.

 
> Thanks again, I'm off to check out the calgary.general news, there's a 
> posting in there by the compusmart admin, announcing Grosvenor's removal. 
> This I gotta see!

If you have a summary of the Grosvenor work, please send me
a synopsis.

Thanks for your efforts! Chasing down hate-mongers was never a
one person job.


Robert Colin Newell
http://espresso.ts.uvic.ca
The Coffee Expert's Web Page


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On Fri, 17 May 1996 caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:

> Hello there,
> I have more than a summary of Grosvenor's stuff, I have full length articles
> 
> I'll show you what I got, but first I'd like to say that I hope you're 
> right about the net changing someday so that hate won't be allowed any 
> more. The prospect looks bleak now though.


When all seems dark, the sun rises...
Not to worry, there are more than enough sensible heads
on the internet community to maintain law and order...
Besides, some SERIOUS change is coming..
Thanks for all the stuff..
 

Robert Colin Newell
http://espresso.ts.uvic.ca
       www.octonet.com/~coffee/
       nether.net/~cnewell/
The Coffee Expert's Web Page's
University of Victoria
Network, Telephone and Technical Services
Clearihue C068
604-721-6622  

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To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
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>   caprina@cuug.ab.ca writes:
>  In article <319A6935.350B@compusmart.ab.ca>,
>  William Grosvenor   wrote:
>  bla bla bla, yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda and on and on and on and on 
>  and on and on, *and on*.
>  > 
>  >First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews
>  >want to destroy the family.
>  > 
>  *this* coming from someone who admires the burning and gassing of Jews in 
>  nazi Germany. *This* coming from someone who wants peopele to suffer and 
>  die of aids! *This* coming from someone who supports the actions of Mark 
>  Lepine! If it was in his power, Grosvenor would kill millions of people, and 
>  inhumainly, including children and the unborn, because he is a nazi. 
>  that's what nazis do. And they dare to condemn others for these very actions!
>  
>  >One must ask, WHY? Wasn't it enough that Christ was murdered?
>  
>  Oh stwhart! Now, the terrible injustice imposed on real Christians, which 
>  is, people like Grosvenor pretending to care about Christ, and in the 
>  same breath, promote all kinds of vile activity! The nazis and other 
>  cults and sadists abuse religion, using Christianity as a cover in order 
>  to 
>  1. Hide their true appauling despicable agenda!
>  2. Deliberately make others who are not Christian think that true 
>  Christians are of the same lot as the nazis when the nazi plan is 
>  exposed. The reason, they will set up any scapegoat in order to save 
>  face,and/or condemn as many people as they can. They don't want to go 
>  down alone when exposed, so they take on this pseudo Christian thing in 
>  order to make sure that innocent Christians are condemned as nazis by 
>  some non-religious people. It's proof that the nazis are actually devil 
>  worshipers, and nothing else.
>  No Christian is a sadist! if you are a sadist, you are not a Christian. 
>  If you are a nazi, you are not a Christian! Grosvenor's false concern for 
>  Christ is not only sacreligious, it's ludicrous! It's people like him 
>  that make others biggotted against all Christians. Furthermore, it's 
>  hypocricy. You are either cruel, or you aren't. If you supposedly protest 
>  what was done to Christ on the cross, you are not cruel only if you 
>  oppose all other similar actions. But if you think it's right to torture 
>  others, you are cruel and your protestations concerning the crusifiction 
>  are a lot of bauvine ka-ka. Much as I despize you, Grosvenor and wish you 
>  and Hitler never came into existance in the first place, I do not wish 
>  you to get aids, get burned, gassed, crusified, or suffer any kind of 
>  torture and agonizing death. I do want you to be punished for your 
>  actions though, by being made to shut up for once!!! You should also 
>  never have access to children or others who might be influenced by your 
>  idiological vomit. I also would fear for the life of any child you had 
>  access to, especially if that child was from a Jewish family. It's time 
>  someone did something about your unwanted presence here on the net at least.
>  Even Christians shouldn't have to take this crap. they have a right 
>  to get angry like anyone else, and I am dang angry with you, Grosvenor!
>  Do us all a big favor and get lost! I don't care where or how, just as 
>  long as it's out of here! GO AWAY!!!
>  Fact is, you'd crusify Christ yourself if you had the chance. You are 
>  certainly cruel enough to do it! 
>  
>  > >Also,why are some ISPs now deleting messages on this topic?
>  
>  Deleting *your* messages? Because your messages are nothing but hate 
>  monging stinking putrescent crap!
>  Whoever deletes your junk from the net should get an award!! You make me 
>  sick!!! But one day, you will get yanked, and one day, you'll pay for 
>  every hateful word you ever said, and don't expect us Christians to bail 
>  you out. The Bible even warns against false Christians, and you're among 
>  that lot, William Grosvenor.
>  Fact is, sadism is *wrong* no matter who commits such acts. Crusifying 
>  Jesus was too terrible to put into words! So was Hitler's holocaust! So is 
>  any act of torture and murder, no matter who does it, and who is the 
>  victim thereof! But you're not capable of understanding that because 
>  you're so full of yourself and your hate and nothing else can penetrate 
>  that thick skull of yours.
>  No matter, I'm so darn angry with you, and I'll say what I must 
>  regardless of whether or not you will listen.
>  I am so tired of Christians getting the bumwrap because of people like 
>  Grosvenor! When this sorry little cad is finally zapped off the net, 
>  here's one person who won't miss him! I'd be all too glad to see him gone!! 
>  
>  Sorry for this rant, but fighting against hate can sometimes be a very 
>  infuriating task. (Surpressing urge to throw something accross the room.)
>  
>  Caprina
>  --
>  "Look down,
>  And show
>  Some mercy if you can!
>  
>  "Look down!
>  Look down
>  Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.
>  
>>>>
You seem to be upset.  Don't read those articles... reading your article made me think of a joke.  Here it goes;

this little boy wanted a little red bike.
His parents told him no.
He went to his room & searched in his closet until he found the statue of the virgin mary.
(if you heard this before... don't read any more)
He looked at the statue & started praying.  Got a piece a paper out & started writing.
 "I will keep my room clean for a whole month".  Look at the note & said this is not reality.  
took the paper & crumbled it up.
Then he got another piece of paper & started writing again,  "I will be nice for 2 weeks" .  
Look at that note & thought this will be a miricle, if it happens.  took that paper & crumbled it up.
Went to the bathroom & got the biggest bath towel.  Came back to his room.  Took the virgin Mary & rapped 
her up in the towel  &  put her  way back in his closet.  Looked up to the ceiling & said:

"God, if you ever want to see your mother again, you better get me that bike."

Sorry, I know you are upset.  But in reality it's not worth it.  but I hope the joke cheered you up.
I did not reply to upset you.  bye.



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I'm glad your better, writing or taking some action for what you believe in, is 
very theraputic in some cases.  
It can also give you some results, like you said.

good luck... I'm off to work.



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From: co070@freenet.carleton.ca (Paul Longpre)
To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
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Status: RO

>
>Hello,
>
>In article <4ngmv6$376@freenet-news.carleton.ca> you write:
>>
>>> Apparrently, people like you will not be happy until all "jews" and "faggots" 
>>> are dead. Well fuck you.
>>
>>These are not the only people that seem to offend him. I wish I
>>could email some of the replies he has sent me, I'm sure he
>>could be put in jail for it. He seems to be against anyone
>>who isn't white which is funny because he appears to be
>>the color of shit (bull shit)
>>
>If you still have that e-mail, please post it. or, you can send it to me, 
>all with the full headers. I am collecting everything I can get on this 
>nazi in order to fight him however hard I can.
>He and people like him must be stopped.
>If you don't have the e-mail any more, I don't blame you. If you do, 
>don't worry about whether or not to post it. Posting private e-mail 
>otherwise would no doubt offend some people, but when it comes to hate 
>mongers, you need not worry about that. He should be exposed at every 
>operatunity, and we should all fight him when we can. If enough people 
>cry out against such horrid biggotry and abuse, something does get done 
>about it.
>Also, continue to report any harrassing e-mail to his postmaster as well.
>
>Good luck.
>
>Caprina
>--
>"Look down,
>And show
>Some mercy if you can!
>
>"Look down!
>Look down
>Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.
>
>
Sorry but I trashed the trash, but be assured any further trash
I receive from this nut case or anyone else will be sent.
 
Bye for now.




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From: Patricia Llewellyn 
To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
Cc: Patricia Llewellyn 
Subject: Re: Tired of the bigotry
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HI,

I'm glad grovesner is not being allowed to renew his accounts. His is a 
real monster isn't he. I just noticed something he posted attacking you 
and sent it to compusmart. 

I'm glad to see that alot more people are speaking up bout the crap being 
posted on the net. The racist bastards are frighting a losing battle.

Some one called me a dictator for asking the bigots not to email me. :-) 
What morons they are!

TTYL

Pat

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The guy started sending me mail. I think i'm in for some harrassment. 
Good thing his account is being suspended.

Pat

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>From root Fri May 24 13:42:00 1996
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From: SHAWN BERRY 
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Hi there!

I would like to thank you ever so much for the words of encouragement.
I was just in shock this morning when I saw the article from said 'bathtub'
guy, I was lost for words. Even Grosvenor sent a threat and it seems that
Zed (zeljko or whatever his name is) is clearly on Grosvenor's side, as
he also said he was going to complain. What is this world coming to?

Anyway, I think we're all going to have the last laugh. Don't tell 
Grosvenor, but I called the RCMP hate crime unit in Bowmanville, which
also monitors the net for cyberhate, and the constable I spoke to was
a really great guy. He basically said to let the cops handle it now
and cool off a bit. So, me thinks the Mounties are going to be knocking
on Grosvenor's door (the constable was going to do a search on the guy's
user-id's and pull up his articles). But I sure won't be silenced by the
likes of neo-nazi's. 

I'll forward you the e-mail messages the guy has been sending. I sent
Grosvenor a message after he e-mailed me last night which indicated,
basically, to cease and desist his harassment, and cc'd his postmasters
at Edmonton Freenet (with a caution to them about what to expect from the
guy...but I think they know) and Paul @ Compusmart (neat guy!). Wouldn't
you know it, but he ignores the request. You may get a kick out of a couple
and you may get angry, like I did, when you see them. In any case, I cc'd
his provider with copies of his communications. 

Once again, I want to thank you very much indeed. I feel better now this
afternoon knowing that there are people like you who feel the same way.

Keep in touch!

Shawn
http://www.ptbo.igs.net/~shawn


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From:	IN%"paulb@compusmart.ab.ca"  "Paul Burwell" 22-MAY-1996 15:07:13.57
To:	IN%"SBERRY@TrentU.ca"  "'SHAWN BERRY'"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: complaint

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Mr. Grosvenor's one year account is up for renewal with us on May 24th.  =
We have told him that we are electing *NOT* to renew his account.

Thanks for your feedback.

Paul Burwell
Internet Product Manager
SmartNet Internet Services

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From: 	SHAWN BERRY[SMTP:SBERRY@TrentU.ca]
Sent: 	Wednesday, May 22, 1996 5:49 AM
To: 	paulb@compusmart.ab.ca
Subject: 	complaint

In confidence.

This person continues to spew hate in usenet. Would you ask this person
to stop this practice as freedom of speech has never been successfully
used as a defence in hate crime for people of his ilk (ie., Keegstra, =
Zundel
and so on). Besides, I believe there is a newsgroup that is just riddled
with garbage like this (some white power group). You could cancel it
on the basis that it is an inappropriate posting, but my brain tells me
that the law specifies that this is hate material.

Thanks,

Shawn Berry
http://www.ptbo.igs.net/~shawn



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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: =
calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revi=
sionism
Subject: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
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john rossetti wrote:
>=20
>         It is obvious that the Liberal Party who are now governing our
> country are pro homosexuals in every respect.  It would have been a
> simple matter for Alan Rock to include in his notorious Bill 33 a
> definition of " family " that excluded two same sex partners as being
> a family.  This would have allowed his government to have their non-
> discrimination amendment to become law while at the same time satisfy
> the majority of Canadians who believe in the family values of a man =
and
> a woman, married legally, or a legally recognized common law marriage
> between a man and a woman.
>=20
>         Canada is going to go right down the tubes as the Liberals
> continue to pander to all of the weirdo groups in the country. Where
> is the moral backbone that Canada used to have ?  Surely not in the
> Liberal Party.
>=20
> John Rossetti

Many thousands of jobs for non-faggots will now be leaving Canada, as=20
business owners such as myself rebel at being told whom to employ.

Sooner than hire faggots, I would sooner close down all operations in=20
Canada, and relocate all the jobs in a faggot-free locale,such as parts=20
of the USA, Singapore, or other parts of S.E.Asia, or even Mexico or=20
Poland.

* Any unsolicited commercial e-mail and/or the inclusion of my user-id =
in   =20
* any mailing list without my express prior written approval, including =
the=20
* receipt of a mass e-mail message and/or the unauthorized reselling of =
this
* user-id to mailing list vendors, will be met with a complaint to your=20
* internet provider. It is recommended you do not attempt these =
practices.
* Should you choose to ignore this warning, you will be subject to any =
remedy=20
* which may be exercised by your internet provider. You have been =
warned.




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From: Patricia Llewellyn 
To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
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On Fri, 24 May 1996 caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:


Do you know who I should complain to at the freenet where Grosvenor has 
his account. He just sent me some mail. He keeps digging himself in a 
hole doesn't he!

I'll keep my eyes open for anything that Gorden is writing about you.

Your new friend sounds so cool! They have banned exotic pets in Ontario 
cities, so I'd never be able to get something like that.

There isn't much new going on here. My nieces first birthday is comming 
up soon. She is absolutely adorable! I might be a little biased though.


Talk to you soon.

Pat

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Caprina,

Hi. Wow!!! I checked my e-mail this morning and just abou tfell of my 
chair. There were about 70 messages, most of them forwrded by you. I 
scanned them and see what a load of garbage this fellow, Bill Grosvenor, 
has been spouting. I feel sorry for you, with all of the bulltweet this 
guy heen causing for you. I hope I don't get into his bad books,. but I 
may as I recently did a posting that was negative toward this fellow. How 
did yo manage to get into a hair-pulling, name-called battle with BG? How 
were you so fortunate?

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From: Bruce Young 
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Status: RO

Hi Caprina.

Thanks for your last letter. I'll keep an eye out for any more stuff by
Steve Winters.

There's no charge for the tape. The speaker,Mike Williams encourages anyone
who wants to copy it. Just send me a note with a mailing address and I'll
make a copy for you and stick it in the mail.

By the way, our e-mail is in the name of my friend, Howard Bruce Young here
in Fort McMurray. My name is Craig Neal, so at least you'll know who you're
writing to!

God bless you and hope you have a great Christmas!!


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At 12:21 AM 12/17/95 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Craig,
>    Yes, I am interested in hearing that tape. My address is:
>
>2216 Uxbridge Drive NW Calgary Alberta, Canada.
>T2N 3Z4.
>   
>    I hope you have a great Christmas too. 
>TTYL.
>
>In Christ
>
>Caprina
>
...........................................................................

Hi Caprina,

I haven't forgotten about copying the tape for you, but I've been up to my
ears in alligators the last couple of months.

I sent some similar information out to you today by snail mail. It's great
reading. You should get it probably around Thursday or Friday this week.

Would you do me a favor if you get a chance?  I'm marketing a really great
weight loss herbal formula through the internet. It's called THERMOLIFT and
my web page is at
http://www.altech.ccinet.ab.ca/neil/thermo.htm
I've lost 37 pounds in about 3 months and it's working great for oodles of
people here in Fort McMurray. I'd appreciate it muchly if you'd give out my
web page address if you come across anyone who might be interested in trying it.

Let me know what you think to the article I've sent you after you,ve had
time to read it.

God Bless.

Craig Neal.


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> Bravo!! Bravo!!!!! Right on!!!!! You hit that one square on
> the head!  Well done!!!

      Thanks, Caprina!  I appreciate your kind response!

      Best wishes,
      Craig

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-- [ From: Craig Chilton * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Hi, Caprina --

>        Let's take a little survey.  Personally I have never met
> anyone like William Grosvenor in my entire life.  From where
> I sit, that makes him ABNORMAL.  Now this is a bit
> subjective, so I wanted to ask other readers if they had ever 
> met anyone like him, or whether he is, from their point of
> view, an abnormal human being (maybe even the
> MISSING LINK!).

>Please select one:
>================
>
>      Sure -- I've met lots of people with views like William
> Grosvenor.  In the American South, in the 1950s, he would have > been
regarded completely normal -- just an "average guy".

        In the 1990s, he would be regarded perfectly normal by the upwards
of 2 million Americans who comprise the RRR... the Religious Radical Right..
. which is every bit as intolerant as the KKK, and fully as potentially-
dangerous as the Nazis in their early days.  And that's what makes Grosvenor
so downright scary.  Down here, he would NOT be unique.  But to MOST
Americans, he would most assuredly be considered abnormal and deplorable.

     BTW, as a Christian who thinks that Darwin was a genius, I would have
to say that anyone who regards Grosvenor as the Missing Link is grossly
insulting the poor being who WAS the Missing Link!

Best wishes,
Craig

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Subject: Re: Is Canada Run just for Faggots?  -- II
Date: Thu, 16 May 96 12:58:49 -0500
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-- [ From: Craig Chilton * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --


Hi, Caprina !

>      In some cases, I am against affirmative action, but when
> it comes to stopping the nazis and the like, I'm for whatever
> would work, just as long as the solution isn't cruel and
> sadistic like they are.

        I advocate a good, strong, enforceable and fully-constitutional law
that provides for mandatory prison time and/or stiff fines for all people
convicted of committing hate crimes.  For such a law to be viable and fair,
it would have to be very carefully worded.  But once in place, then
incitement to hatred on the part of demagogues could be dealt with
effectively.  In the USA, it's against the law to abuse First Amendment
rights.  For example... shout "Fire!!" in a crowded theater, and the
offender goes to jail.  No one considers that to be an unreasonable
restriction upon freedom of speech.

Best wishes,
Craig


(Note from Caprina) I don't know how to use the emacs editor, and it 
would take a million years for me to edit out anything unimportant here.)

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From: Duncan O'Neal 
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Hi Caprina,
At 01:43 AM 5/14/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Hey Duncan,
>I'm working against Acumen, so I must go searching probable newsgroups 
>for incriminating articles I can use as evidence against him.
This is out of pen.pals ,I thought It's funny.ha ha
It's a few snippets Bill wrote
:56 year old, mature professional presently living in frozen northern 
:Am not interested in marriage, but will consider alternatives,even in 
:other countries.
Har Ray maybe Billy will leave :)
:I can also correspond in German. Man kann mir sogar auf Deutsch schreiben.
:Looking forward to replies from interested,mature ladies.
:William Grosvenor, 9208 - 137 Avenue, REDMONTON - Alberta, CANADA T5E 1Y5
He went and did his habitual misspelling of Edmonton.
ha ha ha, what a looser.
1. This is were he subjests killing feminists.

Subject:      Re: Question for Anti-Choicers
From:         william grosvenor 
Date:         1996/03/03
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Looks like the feminazis accuse anyone opposing their murder of unborn 
children of being nazis,when they are the real killers.

They then try to obfuscate issues by accusing men of gender bias,as 
though men have no compassion for infants!!!

Personally,I feel that if the fembos are so strongly in favour of killing 
babies,perhaps we should exterminate them,plus all thier butcher friends 
making millions off the murders of the babies.

After all, a dead abortionist will never re-offend.

end
Will thats the worst one I could find ,other that the ones cross-post all over.
At his age you'ld think he would know beter.  Maybe the CGA's would like to
sue him by now. He has made hundreds of cross-posting about one bad CGA and
posted them world wide. And lots of Jewish people are allso getting run
down, even if their outside of Isreal. People of mixed ancestory should'nt
fight anyways, they are related through distant ancestors. Bill doesn't
realize this.
Bill is a Turbo-biggot.
He *sounds* like a Moslem fundementalist,but from where ,who knows.
He's probably just a reject! 

Duncan
hope, that helps.

P.S.
You aren't related to 
 kris wiebe 
are you , I had an news email reply
from that address that didn't say any thing ?
Oh, well maybe somebody is goofing around,
with his mail box.



E-mails from Grosvenor, me, and his postmaster as he wouldn't quit 
harrassing me through e-mail.

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Just because you disagree with the sensible comments of Kolding,and also 
the fact that he is successful in the free-enterprise USA,while you are a 
parasite at the U of C,is no reason to malign him.

Mind you,what else can one expect from an unemployable,functionally 
illiterate parasite living off the taxpayers.




In article 
<4d6l6q$f8d@cuug486.cuug.ab.ca> 
you wrote: : In article ,
: Earl Blacklock  wrote:
: >In article <4ctha2$h5f@news2.cts.com> pkolding@cts.com (PKolding) writes:
: >
: >>I live in California. I left Canada
: >
: >And you can't imagine how grateful we all are that you did!
: >
: >
: >


: -- 
: "Look down, and show some mercy if you can! Look down, look down upon 
: your fellow man!" -- ("Les Miserables" Musical)

--
William Grosvenor		e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue                    or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
DEADMONTON, Alberta
CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555

	INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE

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Doesn't Kaddish belong to those who CRUCIFIED CHRIST?If so,how can this 
descendant of mudereres be even remotely compared to Christ?

 
William Grosvenor		e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue                     or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
DEADMONTON, Alberta
CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555

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How can I belong to the same lot as Kaddish,when I am one of his 
enemies,namely a critic,just like you?

William Grosvenor		e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue                     or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
DEADMONTON, Alberta
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On Sun, 10 Mar 1996 caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:

> > 
> > Doesn't Kaddish belong to those who CRUCIFIED CHRIST?If so,how can this 
> > descendant of mudereres be even remotely compared to Christ?
> > 
> >  
> > William Grosvenor		e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> > 9208 - 137 Avenue                     or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
> > DEADMONTON, Alberta
> > CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555
> > 
> > 	INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE
> > 
> Well, I guess you would know since you belong to the same lot.
> 

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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <8MAY199621280066@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
> Daniel Mittleman  wrote:
> >In article <31907E7F.5E3E@compustupid.ab.ca>, William Grosstroll
>  spews...
> >>In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration
> bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda and on and on and on and on.
> >>
> >
> >    I wonder what the normal people of Canada think about having Grosvenor
> >    in their midst?  {shudder}
> >
> >                         daniel david mittleman
> 
>===========================================================================
> >                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
> 
> Personally, I shudder to think he is allowed to stay in this country, and
> especially in this province. Too bad there wasn't some way to have him
> shipped to Antartica or some such place where he wouldn't be such a
> bother to us normal decent people. We don't need paranoied nazis like him
> here. I'd like it if he'd get lost and permanently! And to think his
> crappy hate posts are costing the net thousands of dollars. What a waste
> of technology and money. What a waste of a little man he is.Sounds like some jew and faggot lover just doesn't appreciate criticism 
of deviates,and other vermin.

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To: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca (William Grosvenor)
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:40:34 -0600 (MDT)
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I warned you never to e-mail me!
As for "faggot lover", you know nothing of love, compassion, mercy, all 
you know is hate. You might as well face it. Virtually no one likes you, 
and it is all your own darn fault.

Caprina
P.S. I'll say this again, and with any luck, it *might* sink in.
DO NOT SEND ME ANY MORE E-MAIL!!!
--
"Look down,
And show
Some mercy if you can!

"Look down!
Look down
Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

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To whom it may concern:

I have sent you the most recent posts of William Grosvenor I found, which 
also happen to be very typical of him.
He has caused quite a stir in the usenet community, and I among others 
are speaking out against his horrid posts.
But today I received an angry e-mail from him, and he knows he is not 
allowed to e-mail me using his freenet account. He knows full well that 
he alone is responsible for the trouble he causes, and yet he continues 
to post neonazi sentiments, and harrass people via e-mail.
Here's the e-mail he wrote after seeing a post about him, which is well 
deserved.

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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <8MAY199621280066@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
> Daniel Mittleman  wrote:
> >In article <31907E7F.5E3E@compustupid.ab.ca>, William Grosstroll
>  spews...
> >>In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration
> bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda and on and on and on and on.
> >>
> >
> >    I wonder what the normal people of Canada think about having Grosvenor
> >    in their midst?  {shudder}
> >
> >                         daniel david mittleman
> 
>===========================================================================
> >                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
> 
> Personally, I shudder to think he is allowed to stay in this country, and
> especially in this province. Too bad there wasn't some way to have him
> shipped to Antartica or some such place where he wouldn't be such a
> bother to us normal decent people. We don't need paranoied nazis like him
> here. I'd like it if he'd get lost and permanently! And to think his
> crappy hate posts are costing the net thousands of dollars. What a waste
> of technology and money. What a waste of a little man he is.
Sounds like some jew and faggot lover just doesn't appreciate criticism 
of deviates,and other vermin.

-End of message.

I wrote back just now:

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To: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca (William Grosvenor)
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 19:40:34 -0600 (MDT)
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I warned you never to e-mail me!
As for "faggot lover", you know nothing of love, compassion, mercy, all 
you know is hate. You might as well face it. Virtually no one likes you, 
and it is all your own darn fault.

Caprina
P.S. I'll say this again, and with any luck, it *might* sink in.
DO NOT SEND ME ANY MORE E-MAIL!!!
--
"Look down,
And show
Some mercy if you can!

"Look down!
Look down
Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

- End of message.

You've seen his terrible postings, and some response by me and at least 
another netter. I do not think it is fair to the rest of us to allow 
William Grosvenor to continue spouting his sadistic naziism, harrassing 
people through e-mail, and getting away with it. The can.general, 
ab.general and politics groups are not for hate mongers. There are 
unfortunately some newsgroups specifically for skinhead and the like.
Please notify William Grosvenor (acumen@compusmart.ab.ca) that his abuse 
is not and should not have to be tolerated.
I've had quite enough of him, and so have many *many* others.

Yours sincerely

Caprina
--
"Look down,
And show
Some mercy if you can!

"Look down!
Look down
Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

>From root Sat May 18 19:33:42 1996
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From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
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To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
Subject: Re: Attention: Problem user may look for new isp shortly!
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.report,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.misc
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Caprina has been on this so-called hate campaign for months, both against 
me,and also against Jason Kodish.

If you read the rubbish she puit in her long tirade, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY 
NOTHING ILLEGAL IN ANY OF MY POSTINGS, whether under Canadaian or USA 
laws.

That she may support faggots or even Jews is her choice, as it is 
mine,and anyone else's to disagree with her.

Read what I have written,and even though you may not like the contents, 
most of which are from other media such as newspapers and Alberta report, 
they are all factual, or else are my personal opinion such as whether my 
companies would employ faggots.

That I have received many support messages seems to indicate that Caprina 
herself/itself is in fact the generator of any hatred,particularly from 
those subscribers who believe in traditional family values.In fact she 
has accused not only myself, and Jason Kodish, but almost everyone who 
enters any thread with which she disagrees (I presume it may be a 
fembo),she calls us all, Nazis.

Mind you, she has also called some of us homosexuals as well,so she/it is 
some mixed up creature.

Despite the depredations of Caprina, I have been offered mirror 
websites,should it be necessary, apart from other ISP's who believe in 
the legal freedom of expression, despite what Caprina says.

Those who wish to contact me directly, are invited to do so. Unlike 
Caprina, I am not a leech on society, living at taxpayer expense.



In 
article <4nhbbm$ji@dec.cuug.ab.ca> you wrote: : To whom it may concern:

: There has been a usenet and e-mail system abuser who has been posting 
: much hate, and harrassing people via e-mail.
: He is William Grosvenor of Edmonton Alberta Canada. He currently has two 
: accounts, one at the Edmonton Freenet, and one at Compusmart.
: His e-mail addresses are:
: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca 
: Acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca.

: He used to harrass and post more often using the freenet, but I and 
: others complained to the postmaster, forwarding evidence to proove our 
: positions.
: Now, he has gone on a hate posting rampage using his compusmart account. 
: Result, many complaints.
: Here are the articles I have managed to collect as evidence that he is a 
: troublesome hate monger who, if giving the chance to get another account 
: on another isp, will only continue to abuse the net in one of the worst ways.

: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Tue Apr  9 21:16:56 MDT 1996
: Article: 4060 of calgary.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
: usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: ab.general,edm.general,calgary.general,yk.general
: Subject: DEADMONTON MAYOR HELPS CALGARY
: Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 18:20:57 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 30
: Message-ID: <3168F699.7A2D@compusmart.ab.ca>
: References: <3165BA7D.3A16@compusmart.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote137.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
: Xref: cuugnet ab.general:21326 edm.general:13122 calgary.general:4060

: It seems that Deadmonton's usedtire salesman/mayor is hellbent on helping
: the City of Calgary,rather than his own constituents.
:  
: First,he deliberately snubs an international trade delegation who had had
: an arranged appointment to meet with him.This,after they had flown from Germany
: halfway around the world to meet and discuss business.
:  
: Then,our useless twit deliberately snubs the Prime Minister,and refuses
: to meet with him,and federal MPs.
:  
: Now,our cluelss incompetent,probably suffering from too much rubber
: fumes,or just insanity,announces worldwide at press conferences, that the
: Toronto Banks are warning potential developers that REDMONTON IS NOT A
: GOOD ENVIRONMENT FOR INVESTMENT. Of course Redmonton is terrible for
: business,with anti-business policies and practices such as those of the
: mayor!!!And he expects the Toronto Banks to change their minds because 
: he says so.
:  
: Don't forget,it was this lying politician who promised all the northern
: cities he would fight to keep the Edmonton airport open. Then,he lied and
: doublecrossed them,by closing down the Edmonton MUNI Airport,so his
: realestate shysters in Leduc could benefit,at a cost to Edmonton
: taxpayers of more than $5 millions a year!!!Now Slime Willy is annoyed
: because all the northern communities are BOYCOTTING DEADMONTON. They are
: doing their business,including R & R in Calgary,and Vancouver,where they
: are welcomed,and not lied to.
:  
: Could it be that Schmidt has a secret agenda,paid for by who knows,to
: destroy what remains of Deadmonton's economy?
:  
: Comments invited,even from thriving Calgary.

: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 10 00:42:33 MDT 1996
: Article: 22803 of ab.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
: usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: can.general,tor.general,ab.general,van.general,mtl.general,
: ott.general,edm.general
: Subject: Support AFL - ANTI FAGGOT LEAGUE
: Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 07:00:49 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 10
: Message-ID: <318D4131.1B94@compusmart.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote258.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)

: If you feel that faggots should not get special rights at the expense of 
: your dollars and those of all normal humans, then join AFL - ANTI-FAGGOT 
: LEAGUE.

: Further information from dan67@ix.netcom.com.

: Mother Nature seems to have introduced AIDS as her move to get rid of 
: these perverts.Perhaps AFL will help in the political arena.

: If you believe in traditional family values,you should also support AFL.

: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 10 14:09:25 MDT 1996
: Article: 4254 of calgary.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
: usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,
: can.politics,alt.revisionism
: Subject: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
: Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 17:59:11 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 25
: Message-ID: <31907E7F.5E3E@compusmart.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote277.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)

: In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration 
: Department is now allowing faggots from Poland,especially if they have 
: AIDS, into Canada as refugees.

: These perverts claim refugee status since the Polish government doesn't 
: recognise them as legitimate refugees,merely as deviants.

: By admitting them into Canada,all normal people,who pay taxes are 
: subsidising the perverted lifestyle of these good for nothings,at a cost 
: rumored to be in excess of $50,000 per year,until they die.The costs of 
: their medical care is not included in these figures.

: Why should Canada be a dumping ground for the garbage of humanity,at 
: taxpayer expense,when they are not legitimate refugees?

: Is there a correlation between these,and the indecent haste with which 
: the Cretinous government wants all Canadians to pay for all the faggots 
: in Canada?

: It is obvious that "traditional family values" have no longer any meaning 
: to either the Liberals,or the rotten Reform Party in Canada under Presto 
: Manning.

: Perhaps it is now time for the National Citizens Coalition, to make 
: itself heard,as the right thinking political alternative for Canada!!!

: From acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Tue May 14 01:21:02 MDT 1996
: Article: 76090 of can.politics
: Path: cuugnet!strat.enernet.com!news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!west.news.istar.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news1.ottawa.istar.net!news.ottawa.istar.net!news3.ottawa.istar.net!istar.
: net!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.inte
: rnetmci.com!in2.uu.net!scanner.worldgate.com!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!acumen
: From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
: Newsgroups: can.politics
: Subject: FIRE FAGGOTS - CLOSE DOWN BUSINESSES
: Date: 12 May 1996 17:04:00 GMT
: Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
: Lines: 30
: Message-ID: <4n55m0$ig4@news.sas.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.4]

: If you are as disgusted as most business owners,teach the faggot-loving 
: Canadian government how you feel.

: Close down your businesses,and tell those employees who are not faggots 
: that the reason is because you will never support faggots,or their lovers.

: Tell them you want a faggot free environemnt where you,the business owner 
: decide who you want working in YOUR operations,not being forced to hire 
: undesirables.

: There are many places in North America where your businesses,and jobs 
: will be welcomed - such as Idaho,Wisconsin,Montana,Tennessee,and even 
: Mexico.With NAFTA no problem selling to your former customers either.

: Another point to consider,in all the places mentioned above one also has 
: PROPERTY RIGHTS, and GUN RIGHTS. In other words you are allowed by law to 
: protect your property,and your rights,even to prevent undesirables from 
: entering your property.

: When enough of the gutless majority in Canada find themselves 
: unemployed,then perhaps they also will revolt,and once and for all get 
: rid of the problem of perverts.

: Don't forget, AIDS was spread deliberately by the faggot with Air Canada 
: worldwide,with the assistance of the Canadian government.This has been 
: well documented in both the book and movie entitled, "AND THE BAND PLAYED 
: ON".

: It seems that only the Muslim religion knows how to take care of the 
: problem of faggots. They believe that faggots must be stoned to death.

: From acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Wed May 15 03:25:05 MDT 1996
: Article: 48071 of can.general
: Path: cuugnet!strat.enernet.com!news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!west.news.istar.
: net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!
: enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!
: acumen
: From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
: Newsgroups: can.general
: Subject: WON'T EMPLOY FAGGOTS!!!
: Date: 10 May 1996 00:28:41 GMT
: Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
: Lines: 14
: Message-ID: <4mu2jp$nmt@news.sas.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.4]

: No damn communist Canadian Government can make me,or any other employer 
: hire faggots.

: Sooner than hire faggots,or even remain in a country run by,and for 
: faggots and their spreading AIDS, we will close down all our 
: businesses,laying off tens of thousands,and we will relocate to some less 
: faggot-ridden country!!!

: When the Canadian government finds a massive increase in unemployment in 
: the next few months,caused by normal business owners relocating to 
: faggot-free locales,what excuse will the faggot-lovers give then?

: No wonder the commie government doesn't want normal people to own guns - 
: they fear the people!!!!


: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 03:25:39 MDT 1996
: Article: 48101 of can.general
: Path: cuugnet!strat.enernet.com!
: news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!
: west.news.istar.net!van-bc!uniserve!
: news1.ottawa.istar.net!news.ottawa.istar.net!
: news3.ottawa.istar.net!istar.net!imci2!
: news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews2.nwnet.net!
: arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: can.general
: Subject: FIRE FAGGOTS-CLOSE DOWN BUSINESSES
: Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:05:45 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 17
: Message-ID: <31928859.2E12@compusmart.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote171.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)

: Like many other normal business owners,we will never hire faggots.

: Further,sooner than be forced to have anything to do with such 
: perverts,we will be shortly closing down all our operations in 
: faggot-loving Canada.We will be joining the exodus of many tens of 
: thousands of jobs,creating even more massive unemployment.

: These many tens of thousands of jobs will be relocated,thanks to NAFTA,in 
: anti-faggot locations such as Wisconsin,Montana,Idaho or even Mexico.

: What will all the faggots and fdaggot lovers then be doing for 
: employment?Who will be paying increased taxes for the astronomical jump 
: in welfare recipients?Guess who - you,all the stupid faggot lovers!!!

: I guess the real reason Herr Stein/Rock wants to deny normal people the 
: right to own firearms,is because he knows how REAL HUMANS will react to 
: enforcing perverts on normal people.

: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 23:12:11 MDT 1996
: Article: 23412 of ab.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
: usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
: Subject: FAGGOTS SPREAD AIDS-WHY PROTECT THEM?
: Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 04:12:32 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 17
: Message-ID: <3198F740.2AC4@compusmart.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote235.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
: Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23412 calgary.general:4349

: Dr.Grant Hill,MP, is completely correct in stating that faggots spread 
: disease.

: He is far too polite,since I am sure he also has read the acclaimed 
: documentary book "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON",which also became a movie, 
: which details how AIDS was spread worldwide,deliberately,by the faggot 
: with Air Canada.This was even supported by the government of Canada.

: Now,normal people all over the world must pay for these perverts and the 
: astronomic costs for their medical care until they get cremated.

: I feel that they should NOT GET SPECIAL RIGHTS,even if the faggot loving 
: Canadian government wants to give them.

: Is there any real use for disease spreading faggots?

: In the old days faggots were burned,so is this practical now?


: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 23:13:13 MDT 1996
: Article: 23441 of ab.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
: usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,tor.general,calgary.general,van.general
: Subject: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
: Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:23:27 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 11
: Message-ID: <3199866F.67E6@compusmart.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote266.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
: Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23441 calgary.general:4364

: Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the 
: faggots and lesbians.

: The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the 
: perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional 
: family.

: First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews 
: want to destroy the family.

: One must ask, WHY?


: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 23:13:32 MDT 1996
: Article: 23442 of ab.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
: usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,van.general
: Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
: Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:03:08 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 15
: Message-ID: <31998FBC.73F1@compusmart.ab.ca>
: References: <4n7r5c$hbe@news.sas.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote266.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)

: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
:  
:  In Alberta Canada Senator Ghitter,together with Bnai Brith and other
:  jewish groups are openly supporting special rights for faggots and for
:  more powers for the socalled human rights commission.

:  These same groups campaign against citizens having either property
:  rights,or even gun rights.
:  
:  Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder of unborn
:  babies at his abortionariums,paid by taxpayers to add insult to injury.
:  
:  Hopefully,more and more sensible people will see the correlation between
:  destruction of the traditional family,and family values,and the vermin
:  involved in destroying families in Canada.

: - Note: Here are some more articles by other usenetters and Grosvenor,.

: From jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu Thu May 16 15:39:00 MDT 1996
: Article: 23454 of ab.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!
: canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!hookup!cunews!freenet-news.carleton.ca!
: van-bc,bofh.dot!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!
: news.sol.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.luc.edu!lsdiala05.it.luc.edu!user
: From: jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu (Jason Silverman)
: Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,van.general,calgary.general
: Subject: William Grosvenor believes in crap!
: Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:05:39 -0600
: Organization: Loyola University Chicago
: Lines: 20
: Message-ID: 
: NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.126.1.105
: Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23454 calgary.general:4370

: By his own admission, William Grosvenor is LITERALLY a firm believer in
: the philosophy of crap!  Don't believe me?  Sure you do!  Want a good
: laugh?  Check out this startling admission and an enumeration of billy g's
: really sound ideas at 

: http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/acumen/acumen1.htm

: There you will find real side splitting attempts at political philosophy,
: including:

: - Canada's very own militias!

: - Fun with self-contradiction, or, People Should Be Able To Kill People With 
:    Whom They Disagree!

: - We care more about fascist politics than being able to eat, or, the three 
:    westernmost provinces of canada (assuming BC would actually go along with
:    those losers) should be independent!

: - And many, many more!


: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 15:45:24 MDT 1996
: Article: 23506 of ab.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
: usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,tor.general,calgary.general,van.general,alt.discrimination
: Subject: Re: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
: Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:31:01 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 13
: Message-ID: <319A6935.350B@compusmart.ab.ca>
: References: <3199866F.67E6@compusmart.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote139.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
: Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23506 calgary.general:4390

: Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the
: faggots and lesbians.
:  
: The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the
: perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional
: family.
:  
: First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews
: want to destroy the family.
:  
: One must ask, WHY? Wasn't it enough that Christ was murdered?

: Also,why are some ISPs now deleting messages on this topic?


: From rnewell@vcn.bc.ca Thu May 16 15:48:31 MDT 1996
: Article: 23523 of ab.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!
: alberta!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!
: utcsri!uniserve!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!rnewell
: From: rnewell@vcn.bc.ca (colin newell)
: Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
: Subject: Re: Hate-mongers, why protect and/or indulge them ?
: Followup-To: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
: Date: 16 May 1996 16:08:11 GMT
: Organization: Vancouver Community Net
: Lines: 22
: Message-ID: <4nfjtb$jem@milo.vcn.bc.ca>
: References: <3198F740.2AC4@compusmart.ab.ca> <3199ece8.4176244@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.vcn.bc.ca
: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
: Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23523 calgary.general:4397

: :  wrote:

: the following was snipped off grosvenors web page.....

: DEATH PENALTY to be provided for serious crimes, whether by males or 
: females, such
: as for drug trafficking, multiple murder, repeat drunk driving, sexual 
: perverts, serious
: sexual attacks, armed robbery, as well as criminal negligence resulting 
: in serious injury or
: death.


: I urge all USENET readers to send their opinions on this hate
: material to the webmaster@compusmart.ab.ca



: --
: Robert Colin Newell
: http://espresso.ts.uvic.ca
: The Coffee Expert's Web Page

: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 22:25:12 MDT 1996
: Article: 4363 of calgary.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
: usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: can.infohighway,soc.culture.canada,bc.general,tor.general,mtl.general,ont.general,ott.general,muc.general,calgary.general,edm.general,can.atlantic.general
: Subject: Re: SURVEY: Rate Your Internet Service Provider, a National Survey
: Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:49:40 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 35
: Message-ID: <31997E84.1A22@compusmart.ab.ca>
: References: <4naj0u$r8u@aphex.direct.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote266.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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: @canadas.net Online Services wrote:
: > 
: > @canadas.net Online Services
: > ==========================
: > 
: > Survey Address:  http://www.canadas.net/survey.html
: > 
: > Objective:
: > 
: > To collect a broad sample of feedback from the general public
: > concerning their Internet Service Providers (ISP).  This survey is
: > being conducted independently of any ISP and results will be published
: > in CA Internet Daily our Internet News Service, in the media and made
: > available to ISP's.
: > 
: > This is your oppotunity to voice your opinion on the state of service
: > you are receiving today.  We anticipate to gather anywhere from 1500
: > to 5000 submissions making this the first large scale survey of its
: > kind in Canada.
: > 
: > If your news organization is interested in receiving the results of
: > this survey please contact us at 604.687.8797.
: > 
: > @canadas.net Online Services
: > http://www.canadas.net/
: > Vancouver, B.C.COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with 
: service almost as bad as it can get!!!

: Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.

: Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as 
: well.

: I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong 
: warning!!!


: From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 22:28:19 MDT 1996
: Article: 4389 of calgary.general
: Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
: usenet
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Newsgroups: calgary.general,edm.general,alt.revisonism,alt.discrimination
: Subject: COMPUSMART - COMPLAINTS,yes!!
: Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:19:14 +0700
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: Lines: 38
: Message-ID: <319A6672.794@compusmart.ab.ca>
: References: <4naj0u$r8u@aphex.direct.ca> <31997E84.1A22@compusmart.ab.ca> <4ndv5g$4cs@bert.compusmart.ab.ca>
: NNTP-Posting-Host: remote139.compusmart.ab.ca
: Mime-Version: 1.0
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: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
: To: Shane Henderson 

: Shane Henderson wrote:
: > 
: > William Grosvenor  wrote:
: > >COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with
: > >service almost as bad as it can get!!
: > 
: > >Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.
: > 
: > >Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as
: > >well.
: > 
: > >I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong
: > >warning!!!
: > 
: >         Mr. Grosvenor, I appreciate your feedback about our service.  I can
: > assure you that we do NOT censor newsgroups, and we strive constantly
: > to improve our service, including our newsfeed.
: > 
: >         I do wonder, though:  Might your complaints have something to do with
: > the fact that we notified you three days ago about us NOT renewing
: > your account due to nearly one hundred complaints of sending hate mail
: > and harassing other Internet users?
: > 
: >         I would also welcome feedback from any of our users about our service
: > via email to Shane.Henderson@compusmart.ab.ca.  Comments and
: > complaints can also be addressed to paulb@compusmart.ab.ca.
: > 
: >         Shane Henderson, B.Sc.,CNE,MCP
: >         System Administrator
: >         CompuSmart Edmonton/SmartNetShane Henderson,either you are a cretin or insane.

: Until your firm sent the memo regarding termination of service, neither 
: you nor any other gopher at COMPUSMART had EVER bothered to tell me about 
: any alleged complaints.

: Since what I have commented on in all my messages to newsgroups are my 
: opinions,and are not illegal as such,you and your fellow incompetents 
: feel that you can act as censors.

: - End of articles.
: He has sent me harrassing e-mail in the past, and after repeated e-mails 
: when I told him to stop, I reported him to freenet. The postmaster there 
: has forbidden him to e-mail me using that account. But if he gets another 
: isp account, he will only start all over again.
: Here is his e-mail to me, using freenet. This goes way back to January, 
: and March.

: From root Fri Jan 12 21:58:07 1996
: Received: from fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02)
:           id AA28044; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:57:29 -0700
: Received: by fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03)
:           id AA47400; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:51:08 -0700
: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:51:08 -0700
: From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: Message-Id: <9601130451.AA47400@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
: To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
: Subject: Re: Follow-ups
: Newsgroups: ab.general,can.politics
: Organization: Edmonton Freenet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.3]
: Status: RO

: Just because you disagree with the sensible comments of Kolding,and also 
: the fact that he is successful in the free-enterprise USA,while you are a 
: parasite at the U of C,is no reason to malign him.

: Mind you,what else can one expect from an unemployable,functionally 
: illiterate parasite living off the taxpayers.




: In article 
: <4d6l6q$f8d@cuug486.cuug.ab.ca> 
: you wrote: : In article ,
: : Earl Blacklock  wrote:
: : >In article <4ctha2$h5f@news2.cts.com> pkolding@cts.com (PKolding) writes:
: : >
: : >>I live in California. I left Canada
: : >
: : >And you can't imagine how grateful we all are that you did!
: : >
: : >
: : >


: : -- 
: : "Look down, and show some mercy if you can! Look down, look down upon 
: : your fellow man!" -- ("Les Miserables" Musical)

: --
: William Grosvenor		e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: 9208 - 137 Avenue                    or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
: DEADMONTON, Alberta
: CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555

: 	INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE

: From root Mon Mar 11 13:29:34 1996
: Received: from freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02)
:           id AA33158; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:28:29 -0700
: Received: by freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03)
:           id AA33781; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:22:46 -0700
: Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:22:46 -0700
: From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: Message-Id: <9603112022.AA33781@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
: To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
: Subject: Re: Kodish = Christ? NO WAY!!!!!
: Newsgroups: ab.general,edm.general,freenet.announce,freenet.discuss
: Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.4]
: Status: RO

: Doesn't Kaddish belong to those who CRUCIFIED CHRIST?If so,how can this 
: descendant of mudereres be even remotely compared to Christ?

:  
: William Grosvenor		e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: 9208 - 137 Avenue                     or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
: DEADMONTON, Alberta
: CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555

: 	INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE

: From root Tue Mar 12 06:55:26 1996
: Received: from fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02)
:           id AA27284; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:55:23 -0700
: Received: by fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03)
:           id AA64447; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:49:29 -0700
: Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:49:29 -0700 (MST)
: From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
: Subject: Re: Kodish = Christ? NO WAY!!!!!
: In-Reply-To: <9603102051.AA11575@dec3300>
: Message-Id: 
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: How can I belong to the same lot as Kaddish,when I am one of his 
: enemies,namely a critic,just like you?

: William Grosvenor		e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: 9208 - 137 Avenue                     or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
: DEADMONTON, Alberta
: CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555

: 	INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE

: On Sun, 10 Mar 1996 caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:

: > > 
: > > Doesn't Kaddish belong to those who CRUCIFIED CHRIST?If so,how can this 
: > > descendant of mudereres be even remotely compared to Christ?
: > > 
: > >  
: > > William Grosvenor		e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: > > 9208 - 137 Avenue                     or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
: > > DEADMONTON, Alberta
: > > CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555
: > > 
: > > 	INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE
: > > 
: > Well, I guess you would know since you belong to the same lot.
: > 
: -end of e-mail.

: Just the other day, he e-mailed me using the compusmart account, replying 
: to a flame I wrote in the news, reiterating the general feelings of most 
: usenetters concerning Grosvenor. After seeing him post hate again and 
: again, I just couldn't help but support someone else's objections to it.
: Grosvenor saw my article, and responded:

: From root Wed May 15 04:42:29 1996
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:           id AA27534; Wed, 15 May 1996 04:42:18 -0600
: Received: from remote235.compusmart.ab.ca (remote235.compusmart.ab.ca [206.75.84.60]) by bernie.compusmart.ab.ca (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA04260 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 11:48:17 GMT
: Message-Id: <3198F2B4.FDA@compusmart.ab.ca>
: Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 03:53:08 +0700
: From: William Grosvenor 
: Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
: X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
: Mime-Version: 1.0
: Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
: To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
: Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
: References: <31907E7F.5E3E@compusmart.ab.ca> <8MAY199621280066@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu> <4n08ph$bgm@dec.cuug.ab.ca>
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: caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
: > 
: > In article <8MAY199621280066@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
: > Daniel Mittleman  wrote:
: > >In article <31907E7F.5E3E@compustupid.ab.ca>, William Grosstroll
: >  spews...
: > >>In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration
: > bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda and on and on and on and on.
: > >>
: > >
: > >    I wonder what the normal people of Canada think about having Grosvenor
: > >    in their midst?  {shudder}
: > >
: > >                         daniel david mittleman
: > 
: >===========================================================================
: > >                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
: > 
: > Personally, I shudder to think he is allowed to stay in this country, and
: > especially in this province. Too bad there wasn't some way to have him
: > shipped to Antartica or some such place where he wouldn't be such a
: > bother to us normal decent people. We don't need paranoied nazis like him
: > here. I'd like it if he'd get lost and permanently! And to think his
: > crappy hate posts are costing the net thousands of dollars. What a waste
: > of technology and money. What a waste of a little man he is.Sounds like some jew and faggot lover just doesn't appreciate criticism 
: of deviates,and other vermin.

: - End.

: I ask all sysadmins to be on the lookout for William Grosvenor, for if he 
: gets an account with any of you and starts promoting hate and hate 
: crimes, you will be partially responsible for this activity if you do 
: nothing about it.
: **********************************************************************
: Excerpt from the Criminal Code of Canada, 
:                  Chapter C-46, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985. 
: **********************************************************************

: Section 318,  Hate Propaganda
: (1)  Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an
:      indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not
:      exceeding five years.

: (2)  In this section, "genocide means any of the following acts
:      committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any
:      identifiable group, namely,
:     (a)   killing members of the group; or
:     (b)   deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
:           calculated to bring about its physical destruction.

: (3)  No proceeding for an offence under this section shall be
:      instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.

: (4)  In this section, "identifiable group" means any section of 
:      the public distinguished by colour, race religion or ethnic 
:      origin.


: Section 319:
: (1)  Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place,
:      incites hatred against any identifiable group where such inci-
:      tement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
:     (a)   an indictable offense and is liable to imprisonment for
:           a term not exceeding two years; or
:     (b)   an offence punishable on summary conviction

: (2)  Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private

:      conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable 
:      group is guilty of
:     (a)   an indictable offense and is liable to imprisonment for
:           a term not exceeding two years; or
:     (b)   an offence punishable on summary conviction

: (3)  No person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (2)
:     (a)   if he establishes that the statements communicated were 
:           true;
:     (b)   if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by

:           argument an opinion on a religious subject;
:     (c)   if the statements were relevant to any subject of public 
:           interest, the discussion of which was for the public bene-
:           fit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be 
:           true; or
:     (d)   if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose

:           of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings

:           of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.

: (4)  Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 318 or 
:      subsection (1) or (2) of this section, anything by means of or in

:      relation to which the offence was committed, on such conviction, 
:      may in addition to any other punishment imposed, be ordered by 
:      the presiding magistrate or judge to be forfeited to Her Majesty 
:      in right of the province in which that person is convicted, for 
:      disposal as the Attorney General may direct.

: (5)  Subsections 199(6) and (7) apply with such modifications as the 
:      circumstances require to section 318 or subsection (1) or (2) of 
:      this section.

: (6)  No proceeding for an offence under subsection (2) shall be insti-
:      tuted without the consent of the Attorney General.

: (7)  In this section,
: "communicating" includes communicating by teltphone, broadcasting or 
:           other audible or visible means;
: "identifiable group" has the same meaning as in section 318;
: "public place" includes any place to which the public have access as 
:           of right or by invitation, express or implied;
: "statements" includes words spoken or written or recorded 
:           electronically or electro magnetically or otherwise, and 
:           gestures, signs or other visible representations.

: =====================


: Yours truly

: Caprina

>From root Sun May 19 07:59:42 1996
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From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
Subject: Re: Grosvenor, I warned you again and again *not* to e-mail me!
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Since you enjoy lying to newsnet admin groups, I consider it only proper 
to file my complaints about you!!!As you sow, so will you reap.



On Sat, 18 May 1996 caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:

> Grosvenor, are you one of these people who thinks "no" means "yes"? 
> Apparently so, for I have told you before again and again *never* to 
> e-mail me.
> This complaint will be posted, and mailed to your postmaster and mine as 
> well.
> 
> Good bye, Grosvenor!
> 
> Caprina 
> 

>From root Sun May 19 11:07:43 1996
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Subject: Re: Grosvenor, I warned you again and again *not* to e-mail me!
To: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:18:17 -0600 (MDT)
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Grosvenor. I'm not going to say this again, this is the last warning:

*DO NOT E-MAIL ME EVER AGAIN*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got it?

Caprina
--
"Look down,
And show
Some mercy if you can!

"Look down!
Look down
Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

>From root Fri May 24 12:52:47 1996
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Caprina, or caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> Karen, you are nothing less than a malicious slanderer. I'll say this again.
> Nazi = sadist... If you outright call or just attempt to compare anyone
> who is not a sadist to a nazi, you are slandering.
> This paranoied idea that hate monging is free speech, and fighting that
> monumental verbal abuse is censorship is really wacko. So, you'd rather
> have some sickie promote violence, and have people acting out as a result
> of the hatred being promoted, instead of decent people who aren't into
> encouraging violence? If Hitler was living today, would you encourage him
> to spout his crap? Probably because if anyone protested strongly enough,
> you'd call them 'censors' and verbally attack them, just like you're
> doing now.
> The nazi movement and the kkk started with people like Grosvenor, the
> only difference is, Grosvenor isn't in a position of power like Hitler
> was, but who knows how many nutcases he and Dan67 are trying to recruit
> against Jews and homosexuals? If he's like this on the net, what's he
> like otherwise?
> That's what makes hate speech so threatening.
> So, if you can't think of anything better to do than cry 'censor' and try
> making me shut up by way of defamation, you're not gonna get anywhere.
> I'll say whatever the heck I want, and I'll do the same thing with your
> posts as with the e-mail you keep sending me. Skip them. When are you
> going to clue in that I don't want to hear from you? Why do you think I
> bounce your e-mails back to you and delete them from my mail box without
> reading them?
> 
> Just leave me the heck alone unless you want to take back all the whooey
> you've been spreading. The first might be a little easier for you, Karen.
> 
> In article <4nnisb$stg@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> Karen Gordon  wrote:
> > (caprina@cuug.ab.ca) writes:
> >
> >>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>--I'm not going to get into the issue of defending Grosvenor.  I think
> >>>  that his posts were amusing, comedy relief of a sort, if you didn't
> >>>  let them get to you.  I don't know how you could get more than amused
> >>>  by his hatred.  It is about as subtle as an outhouse.
> >
> >Caprina:
> >> What's amusing about it? it's sick. As I mentiooned before, hate like
> >> that can turn into violence. It has happened all through history. The
> >> movements all started with people abusing free speech and insiting
> >> opression of the groups they hate. Hitler is a good example of that.
> >
> >(Karen):  'Hitler' and naziism is a better example of the thoughts YOU
> >exhibit, Caprina, than does Grosvenor.  The Nazis also thought they were
> >the enforcers of all that was 'pure and good'.
> >The people of Canada are not stupid, Caprina - they know the difference
> >between a 'dangerous' person and a stupid one.  If you had been half
> >alert, you would have seen that the reader of these forums were 'taking
> >care' of Grosevenor pretty well without your brand of censorship.
> >
> >shane:
> >>>  As for Caprina:
> >>>  Did you ever consider:
> >>>    1) Some may think you are simply a lout who spouts crap, of another
> >>>       kind?
> >
> >Caprina:
> >> So what? if they prefer nazi drivel too someone who doesn't promote
> >> torture and murder, that's their problem, and IMO, it's a big  problem.
> >
> >shane:
> >>>    2) You may consider yourself one of the "normal people", but do others
> >>>       on this newsgroup?  Maybe some want you to get lost too.
> >
> >Caprina:
> >> Such as yourself? thank you, I just may feel the same way about you. So what?
> >
> >shane:
> >>>    3) Fanatics do indeed come in all types.  Some might find your
> >>>       religious references a little fanatical.
> >
> >Caprina:
> >> So what? Seems to me the "free speech at all costs" fanatics are just as
> >> radical and fundamental as the rrr people keep talking about. And, aren't
> >> you promoting censorship here? I could say you were since you seem to
> >> dislike religious people. It's not wrong to be religious, it's wrong to
> >> promote cruelty, and that's what hate monging is. But you'd rather have
> >> nazis than normal people, religious or not, right? Looks that way if you
> >> can defend a hate monger.
> >
> >shane:
> >>>  However, your beliefs that free speech, by everyone else, should
> >>>  be subject to the censorship of your own personal moral code is even
> >>>  more frightening and unjust, in my opinion.
> >
> >(Karen): ..... and often the trademark of 'religious' people who think
> >they're the only ones who have the answers as to what is right and wrong.
> >Perhaps if we all petitioned Caprina's provider to remove her account
> >each time she promotes her 'religious' views, which others don't want to
> >hear, she'll come to understand the issue?is it CVrapina, is definitely NOt a normal person in this part of Canada.

That is why I believe that she/it may in fact be a real NAZI.

Only real nazis do not want freedom of speech, and she/it certainly does 
not want any one who disagrees with her perverted views to be allowed 
freedom of speech as permitted by the Canadian Charter of Rights & 
freedoms.

>From root Fri May 24 13:50:29 1996
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From:	IN%"acumen@compusmart.ab.ca" 24-MAY-1996 09:59:02.47
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Should you persist in your defamation, you can expect responses not only to
yourself, but also to the Administration of Trent University.

We are already considering possible legal action against you.

You have been warned.


>This is to formally request that you refrain from contacting this account
>again, be it from Compusmart (which gets nuked tomorrow) or any other
>account, such as Edmonton Freenet. It is sincerely hoped that you will 
>comply with that request.
>
>
>
William Grosvenor               E-Mail: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
9208 - 137 Avenue              Website: http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/acumen
REDMONTON - Alberta
Canada T5E 1Y5

           INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  &  PEACE


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Subject: Re: NOTE ABOUT WILLIAM GROSVENOR - please read
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Crapina, Trent University is completely correct to take whatever action 
they feel is appropriate regarding abuse of their facilities by Shawn 
Berry.

In other words they are taking the same action against your friend as you 
advocated against me.

As you sow, so shall you reap.....


Watch for other legal action to be taken against some of your 
supporters......As they break Canadian laws.






In article 
<4o50uj$gfm@dec.cuug.ab.ca> 
you wrote: : In article <4nujs5$gko@wpg-01.escape.ca>,
: The Bathtub Admiral  wrote:

: a flimsy report against Shawn Berry.

: >Prof. John Fekete, (via e-mail)
: >Trent University
: >Cultural Studies and English Literature.
: >jfekete@trentu.ca.
: >
: >
: >Re:  sberry@ivory.trentu.ca (Tipsy McStagger) A.K.A
: >        sberry@ivory.trentu.ca (formerly Peter Mansbridge's hair)
: >        by463@torfree.net (Shawn Berry)
: >        shawn@ptbo.igs.net (Shawn Berry)
: >
: >
: >Subject: Your "free inquiry and expression public statement" (copy appended)
: >
: >
: >Since Mr. Berry has launched a diatribe (quoted at length below) from an
: >account at Trent University, despite the fact he maintains a number of other
: >accounts, I feel compelled to  ask you to review his statements to determine
: >if his statements  and deeds exceed what may be considered fair comment on
: >the issue of Mr. Grosvenor, in the context of your position paper on free
: >inquiry and expression.
: >
: Concerning, Grosvenor, Shawn and others have a right to freedom *from* 
: his crap. Your post gives one reason to doubt youur position as you seem 
: to be willing to doubt Shawn, who is really trying to get hate crime off 
: the net. Hate crime includes hate speech such as the kind Grosvenor has 
: been making. And you defend this?


: >In addition I would ask that you raise the issue of the content of his public
: >post with the appropriate administration of Trent University to determine if
: >his statements and deeds fall within the acceptable use policy for Trent
: >University internet account holders, and are in fact condoned.

: It isn't Shawn you should be concerned about IMO, it's William Grosvenor 
: who clearly advocates the killing and refusing of medical help to those 
: he hates. Shawn  does not promote any act of sadism, only the surpression 
: of it.
: > 
: >-----------begin repeat of sberry@ivory.trentu.ca post------------------------
: >
: >>Hello. By now, you have already read (from the article I forwarded)
: >>that Grosvenor's ISP, Compusmart, will not be renewing his account
: >>but is still wanting to hear from people who have complaints.
: >>I got a piece of e-mail from that sick turd, from his Edmonton Freenet
: >>account (acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca), which I forwarded on to the
: >>postmaster at Edmonton Freenet. His e-mail arrive almost moments after
: >>I had posted the forwarded article to the groups he trolled.
: >>Anyway, news administrators are being warned in the net abuse and
: >>news-related newsgroups about Grosvenor and being cautioned not to
: >>accept him as a customer (I can't recall the name of the dude who
: >>wrote it, but he included all the sick turd articles he wrote as
: >>evidence in the post). 
: >>In the meantime, let's all do the following and it'll help get rid
: >>of William Grosvenor:
: >>(a) if he posts, do *not* follow-up -- he's looking for attention
: >>    (sadly, yesterday, I (like others) replied to his Zundel thing
: >>     but that's the attention he seeks, I guess...)
: >>(b) rather than follow-up, forward a copy of the offending post 
: >>    directly to his postmaster. Don't even bother sending a courtesy
: >>    copy to the guy because he's likely compiling a list of people
: >>    to kill or something, so why give him a reason to include you
: >>    on his list.
: >>(c) if you get e-mail from the guy as a result of your having replied
: >>    to any article of his, his ISP still wants to know of his bothersome
: >>    activities. 
: >>Send complaints to paulb@compusmart.ab.ca, as per the forwarded article,
: >>and let's see this sick turd gone.
: >>Those who are more inclined may choose to contact the RCMP hate crime
: >>squad or CSIS and point out Mr. Grosvenor's activities. They actively
: >>monitor individuals like him and take an interest in cyber-hate,
: >>such that he and that Zundel guy are actively engaged in.
: >>The number for CSIS in Toronto is (416)865-1480 but they also have
: >>a 1-800 number, I think, in case you're long distance from a major city.
: >>Shawn
: >
: >>* Any unsolicited commercial e-mail and/or the inclusion of my user-id in    
: >>* any mailing list without my express prior written approval, including the 
: >>* receipt of a mass e-mail message and/or the unauthorized reselling of this
: >>* user-id to mailing list vendors, will be met with a complaint to your 
: >>* internet provider. It is recommended you do not attempt these practices.
: >>* Should you choose to ignore this warning, you will be subject to any remedy 
: >>* which may be exercised by your internet provider. You have been warned.
: >
: >-----------end of repeat of sberry@ivory.trentu.ca post-----------------------
: >
: >
: >                      Trent University
: >                   
: >                 December 1993 - January 1994
: >
: >                ON FREE INQUIRY AND EXPRESSION
: >
: >WE, WHOSE NAMES ARE ATTACHED BELOW, HAVE SET FORTH THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC 
: >STATEMENT IN ORDER TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION AND POLICY 
: >FORMULATION CURRENTLY UNDER WAY AT TRENT WITH RESPECT TO ISSUES 
: >OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS:
: >
: >    Taking positive note that, according to the University's "Mission
: >Statement," Trent's first goal is "to create a teaching, learning, research
: >and living environment fundamentally committed to the promotion of
: >free inquiry and expression";
: >
: >     Taking positive note, as well, of the affirmation of academic
: >freedom in the Collective Agreement, as follows:
: >
: >     "The common good of society depends upon the search for
: >knowledge and its free exposition.  Academic freedom in universities is
: >essential to both these purposes in the teaching function of the
: >university as well as in its scholarship and research.  Academic staff
: >shall not be hindered or impeded in any way by the University or the
: >Association from exercising their legal rights as citizens, nor shall they
: >suffer any penalties because of their exercise of such legal rights. The
: >parties agree that they will not infringe or abridge the academic freedom
: >of any member of the academic community.  Members of the academic
: >community are entitled, regardless of prescribed  doctrine, to freedom in
: >carrying out research and in publishing the results thereof, freedom of
: >teaching and of discussion, freedom to criticize the University and the
: >Association, and freedom from institutional censorship. Academic
: >freedom does not require neutrality on the part of the individual. 
: >Rather, academic freedom makes commitment possible.  Academic
: >freedom carries with it the duty to use that freedom in a manner
: >consistent with the scholarly obligation to base research and teaching on
: >an honest search for knowledge.  The claim of academic freedom shall
: >not excuse members  from meeting the duties and responsibilities set
: >forth [in the Terms and Conditions of Employment] provided that the
: >allocation of such duties and responsibilities shall not  conflict with
: >principles of academic freedom." 
: >
: >     Taking positive note, moreover, of an accelerating social project to
: >identify and remove discriminatory barriers;
: >
: >     We hereby reaffirm our commitment to unrestricted academic
: >freedom and freedom of expression and inquiry in the university
: >community as the indispensable framework for the fulfilment of
: >the University's mission and also as the best and most hopeful
: >support for non-discriminatory multiculturalism and gender
: >equality within the university milieu.  Uninfringed and
: >uncurtailed academic freedom in research, teaching, discussion,
: >criticism, reading, writing, and publishing is the best
: >underpinning for the work of the university and for its
: >contribution to the social welfare of its members and to the
: >broader good of society.  It offers the most humane and effective
: >pathway toward inclusiveness, because it includes the freedom to
: >differ, the freedom to disagree, and the freedom to get things
: >wrong now and then.  More and better than any of the available
: >alternatives, it protects diversity and equality in a complex
: >social ecology.  By contrast, censorship, and other prohibitions
: >on the freedom of expression, even if intended to promote
: >harmony, are still forms of constraint that improperly limit the
: >circulation of information and expression which are the lifeblood
: >of higher education. 
: >
: >  Without limiting the preceding, we wish to affirm in particular
: >the following: 
: >
: >1.  We urge the University to lead, not in the restriction of
: >free speech and academic freedom, but in its defense. 
: >Self-reforming and self-critical institutional discussion about
: >social barriers to participation in the university's intellectual
: >and cultural life, equitable employment, and access to social
: >justice are recognized features of university life, and
: >themselves depend on discursive freedom, which therefore should
: >not be abridged in the process of discussion or as a result of
: >it. The University should defend democratic freedoms, for itself
: >and for others, especially those freedoms that are most vitally
: >necessary to its own educational mission.  The restriction of
: >expression  on account of its messages, ideas, subject matter,
: >contents, or viewpoints, including restrictions on the free
: >availability of reading materials, must be defined as
: >unreasonable in a democratic university.  The fundamental right
: >to express any thought, belief, or opinion, free from censorship,
: >is an indispensable precondition for building democratic
: >politics, cultures, and intellectual formations, for promoting
: >equality and multiculturalism in a complex milieu, and for
: >articulating the self-fulfilment of associated individuals.  In
: >particular, content controls--including prescribed constraints on
: >teaching, learning, and research, with respect to course and
: >curricular contents and with respect to the freedom of students
: >to develop intellectual autonomy--would fatally undercut the
: >profound social commitment to a public system of higher education
: >that is uninhibited, robust, and wide-open. 
: >
: >2.  We defend, therefore, the right to certain types of speech
: >and academic expression which, in fact, we do not condone, and
: >in some cases deplore.  This includes the right to offend one
: >another. It includes the right to express--and the right of 
: >access to intellectual materials which express--racially, ethnically,
: >or sexually discriminatory ideas, opinions, or feelings,  just as
: >it includes the right to expressions that favour inequality of
: >incomes or benefits.  It also includes the right to make others
: >uncomfortable, to injure, by expression, anyone's self-esteem,
: >and to create, by expression, atmospheres in which some may not
: >feel welcome or accepted.  A general right not to be subjected to
: >such expression would undermine the right to question cherished
: >assumptions that may be important for someone's comfort,
: >complacency, affiliations, or identifications, and would cripple
: >intellectual inquiry.  It includes, moreover, the right to use
: >language in any traditional, quaint, or dated manner, because the
: >regulation of such expression would both contravene the principle
: >of free expression and also stifle legitimate debate on the
: >proper relationship of language to social progress. 
: >
: >3.  We accept, simultaneously, that the protection of these
: >rights does not preclude the circulation of any information,
: >whether stimulated by a particular occasion or systematically
: >authorized and directed as part of an informational or
: >educational program, which aims to challenge, criticize,  or
: >condemn any of the sorts of expression covered above.  Nor do we
: >wish to preclude either discussion on the desirability, 
: >effectiveness, or appropriateness, of any sort of expression,
: >or the option of individuals to confront, complain about, or
: >demonstrate against someone's expressions without fear of
: >academic or administrative reprisals. 
: >
: >          
: >*  NOTE: The Cultural Studies Program adopted this statement as a 
: >Program policy statement on December 2, 1993.  It gained the 
: >support of the Mathematics Department and the Spanish Section of
: >the Modern Languages and Literatures Department in the following
: >week, and the support of the Department of English Literature and 
: >the Graduate Program in Methodologies in January, 1994. In addition, by 
: >the end of January 1994, more than 40% of Trent's full time
: >faculty on site had personally endorsed the statement.  This
: >includes both senior and junior professors, male and female, from
: >across the university, winners of teaching and research awards,
: >chairs and former chairs, and former presidents and
: >vice-presidents.  [For the list of names, please see the Trent
: >gopher item Faculty Organizations/ Faculty Council/ On Free
: >Inquiry and Expression (the associated names).] 
: >
: >For further information, please contact Prof. John Fekete, 
: >Cultural Studies and English Literature.  Telephone:
: >705-748-1771.  Fax: 705-749-2435 or 705-748-1795 
: >E-mail: jfekete@trentu.ca.
: >.
: >
: >



--


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Subject: More harrassment from william Grosvenor
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Hello,

I got yet another letter from William Grosvenor 
acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca, and I have stated repeatedly that I do not 
wish to hear from him.
*Please* tell him to lay off. I really don't want to have to deal with 
all this unwanted e-mail.

Thank you for your time.

Yours sincerely,

Caprina
--
"Look down,
And show
Some mercy if you can!

"Look down!
Look down
Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

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Hi caprina,
Thanks for the examples. I am investigating what can be done about this 
latest round of e-mail from Bill. 

Your evidence is useful, and even though it has not yet stopped I just 
wanted you to know that I was monitoring it all and will deal with Bill 
appropriately.

Keith Gross, Postmaster & Executive Director, Edmonton FreeNet
postmaster@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca


On Fri, 15 Mar 1996 caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:

> Hello:
> 
> I have more posts concerning William Grosvenor, plus e-mail from Craig 
> Chilton, (xanadu@sbt.net) another person who has received hate mail from 
> William Grosvenor (acumen). He has bothered me, Jason Kodish, a gentleman 
> named Doug, Tony Toews, Markie Wilson and Craig Chilton.I can't help but 
> think that Grosvenor must have been doing this to a lot more people. Who knows 
> how many more will turn up?
>  
> ab.general #19623 (19 more)
> From: mwilson@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Markie Wilson)
> Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,ab.politics,can.politics,can.general,alt. 
> +           society.generation-x
> Subject: Re: Sick nazi sends me hate mail
> Date: Wed Mar 13 19:53:45 MST 1996
> Organization: University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada
> Lines: 65
>  
>  
> >In doing some research at Ken McVay's site, specifically
> >http://www.almanac.bc.ca/encouragements/, he does contact the local
> >police dept's Hate Crime unit.  So may I suggest that all who've
> >received such messages do the same.  (I'm not in Edmonton so could
> >someone post a contact name and phone number as soon as they can.)
> >May I also suggest that copies be sent to the postmaster/abuse at his
> >email addresses? 
> >Furthermore do the Edmonton ISP's maintain a blacklist?  Should this
> >despicable person's name be added to such a blacklist?  Or ???? 
>  
> Here's a biscut from last fall from my eudora archive... 
>  
> From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:37:04 -0700
> To: mwilson@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Markie Wilson)
> Subject: Re: SLICK WILLY LIES EXPOSED!!! 
> Newsgroups: edm.politics
> Organization: Edmonton Freenet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.3]
>  
> Have you forgotten that a faggot with Air Canada is responsible for the
> spread of AIDS all over the world??? 
>  
>  Surely you will agree that the only good faggot is a dead one,for then
> the fertiliser is being recycled? 
>  
>  In article  you
> wrote: 
> : In article <46tsb8$ek6@news.sas.ab.ca>,
> acumen@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca : () wrote: 
>  
>  
> : > By the way,will Slick Willie also be pronouncing Faggot & lesbian Pride
> : > Week,as did Reimer? 
>  
> : Slagging people in this group due to political leanings is one thing. 
> : Attacking peopleon the basis of sex, race, ableness, ethnicity or sexual
> : orientation is another.  I don't mind being flamed for my political
> : opinions, Grosvenor - but I will not stand silent while you issue your
> : homophobic slurs. You promote peace? What complete bullshit. 
>  
> : markie
>  
> : Markie Wilson
> : mwilson@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
> : http://www.ualberta.ca/~mwilson/
>  
>  
> William Grosvenor e-mail:  acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> 9208 - 137 Avenue or:  acumen@mail.compusmart.ab.ca
> REDMONTON - Alberta
> CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555
>  
>         INTERNATIONAL LINKS PROMOTE TRADE AND PEACE
>  
> --
> Markie Wilson
> mwilson@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
> http://www.ualberta.ca/~mwilson/
> End of article 19623 (of 19683) -- what next? [npq]
> ab.general #19634 (18 more)
> From: xanadu@sbt.net (Craig Chilton)
> Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,ab.politics,can.politics,can.general,alt. 
> +           society.generation-x
> Subject: 4mRe: Sick nazi sends me hate mailm
> Date: Wed Mar 13 20:33:10 MST 1996
> Organization: SBT, Inc. 
> Lines: 89
> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99.82
>  
> jkodish@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote: 
>  
> >Neil (neilends@U.Arizona.EDU) wrote: 
> >: It looks to me as though 'acumen' is the victim of a forged e-mail. 
>  
> >No, he frequently sends hate mail to people. 
> >:                 |Neil Singh, |^| |
> >:                 |University of Arizona, <^\| |/^> |
> >:                 |Tucson, Arizona, U.S.A.  <__ __> |
> >:                 |http://u.arizona.edu/~neilends | |
> --
> >-Jason Kodish
>  
> Jason, I won't post the e-mail that I received from Sicko Acumen (BTW...
> doesn't "acumen" normally equate with intelligence?  Sure doesn't work in
> his case!)... but here's part of his post a few days ago entitled: ALBERTA
> COURTS - NO TO QUEER RIGHTS.  And my response to that post by Grosvenor. 
> (It was following this post that I received e-mail from Grosvenor filled
> with anti-choice and anti-"gay" hate): 
>  
> >>: Since queers are not a race,religion,or even specific sex let's get rid
> >>: of these vermin,or will this get us in trouble with legitimate animal
> >>: rights groups? 
>  
> 
>  
> >>: William Grosvenor e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> >>: 9208 - 137 Avenue or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
> >>: DEADMONTON, Alberta
> >>: CANADA T5E 1Y5 phone: 403-475-5555
>  
> 
>  
> To which I replied: 
>  
> >Oh, good grief. 
>  
> > I haven't been following the "gay" issue in Canada... probably
> > because I'm not gay, or I might have been paying closer
> > attention to that issue since I started visiting your newsgroup. 
>  
> > But it is disappointing to see that abortion rights and "gay" 
> > rights are a controversial issue in a land that I always thought
> > was more enlightened and tolerant than America. 
>  
> > Down here, we can blame those nutty @!!*&@! PURITANS
> > for poisoning our tolerance levels, and engendering such
> > intolerant pseudo-Christian trans-denominational cults as the
> > Religious Radical Right. 
>  
> > Canada, what's YOUR excuse? 
>  
> > For Pete's sake... be BETTER than we are! 
>  
> It's very heartening to see that most of you who have been posting in
> this thread are a WHOLE lot better than Grosvenor probably EVER will be. 
>  
> >  --Craig Chilton
>  
>  
>  
> -- Craig Chilton xanadu@sbt.net
>  
>  ***************************************************************** 
> RRR = KKK.  Same mindset.  Same ignorance.  Same bigotry.  Same fate. 
>  *****************************************************************
> ELIMINATE THE RRR -- JOIN UP WITH APIFAR...  The Association for the
> Preservation of Individual Freedoms and Rights.  Craig Chilton, Director. 
> P.O. Box 3007, Evansdale, Iowa 50707-0007 USA Phone: (319) 236-1671 FAX:
> (319) 234-8626
>                 E-Mail:  xanadu@sbt.net
>  *****************************************************************
> APIFAR's TIP OF THE MONTH -- Afraid that that last "go-'round" a day or
> two ago might have resulted in pregnancy?  Get the Morning-After Pill! 
> It's nearly 100% effective in preventing implantation of a fertilized egg,
> during the first 72 hours.  Call Toll-Free: 1-800-584-9911...  The
> Emergency Contraception Hotline!  (So much for the Anti-Choicers!) Our
> thanks to Dr. Dean Edell for telling all of America about this over
> network TV, on Friday, March 8, 1996 !!! 
>  End of article 19634 (of 19683) -- what next?  [npq]
> *****************************************************************
>  
>                  |________________________________________|
>  
>                   ________________________________________
> 

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To: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Cc: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
Subject: Unwanted e-mail.
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Hi Bill,

When someone sends you e-mail asking you to stop mailing them, it is 
important to stop. 

We do not tolerate e-mail harrassment and I hope you will listen 
to Caprina asking you to stop.

Caprina, it is best for you to stop e-mailing Bill too.

Keith Gross, Postmaster & Executive Director, Edmonton FreeNet
postmaster@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

Bill, I take this to be your message to Caprina:

>From acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.caSat May 25 23:31:48 1996
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 08:06:50 -0600 (MDT)
From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
Subject: Re: Grosvenor, I warned you again and again *not* to e-mail me!

Since you enjoy lying to newsnet admin groups, I consider it only proper 
to file my complaints about you!!!As you sow, so will you reap.



On Sat, 18 May 1996 caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:

> Grosvenor, are you one of these people who thinks "no" means "yes"? 
> Apparently so, for I have told you before again and again *never* to 
> e-mail me.
> This complaint will be posted, and mailed to your postmaster and mine as 
> well.
> 
> Good bye, Grosvenor!
> 
> Caprina 
> 

-end of e-mail.
I want this troublemaker stopped. He is really getting bothersome.

Thanks.

Caprina

>From caprina@cuug.ab.caSat May 25 23:32:54 1996
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 11:18:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
To: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Cc: postmaster@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Subject: Re: Grosvenor, I warned you again and again *not* to e-mail me!

Grosvenor. I'm not going to say this again, this is the last warning:

*DO NOT E-MAIL ME EVER AGAIN*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got it?

Caprina
--
"Look down,
And show
Some mercy if you can!

"Look down!
Look down
Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

-End of e-mails.

Here are more articles, one expoising Grosvenor, and one written by 
Grosvenor. 

>From kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca Tue Jun 18 17:34:32 MDT 1996
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From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.politics,edm.general,ab.general
Subject: Re: KOSHER TAX RIPOFF-Canada
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In article <4pak77$42qm@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, gmcfee@ibm.net wrote:

>Likely the Edmonton (Alberta) Journal.  Edmonton is where Grosvenor,
>oops...I mean "Wahrheit" lives.

Indeed it was... but Mr. Grosvenor fabricated its contents.
The text of the actual article is available in the following
question, taken from the growing list of petty details Mr.
Grosvenor is afraid to deal with:

Mr. Gruber-Grosvenor:

On May 30, 1996, you posted the following article to an
Internet topical discussion group:

      "Canadian news media report that the subject of the KOSHER 
      TAX is again under investigation by Revenue Canada Taxation.

      "The story on the business page, states that many manufacturers, 
      such as for Saran Wrap, sanka Coffee,Mr.Clean, etc. must pay 
      extra fees to rabbis to have their products declared kosher.

      "This extra cost is then passed on to every customer.

      "Some people have been trying to claim the extra $300 per person 
      per year as a so-called charitable donation on their tax returns. 
      The tax department has disallowed this fraud, since no willing 
      charitable donation was given, nor a receipt provided.

      "Apparently some non-Jews tried to claim this,and are now very 
      angry at being disallowed. To add insult to injury, they had no 
      choice in the costs of their purchases, since the extra costs 
      paid to the rabbis is buried in the total costs."
      (Grosvenor, Kosher Tax)

Here is the ACTUAL text of the article you cited:

      "Tall tax tale isn't kosher"

      "Kosher Question: Can I claim a $300 kosher tax deduction for 
      buying Saran Wrap, Mr. Clean, Sanka and other products that 
      have been blessed by rabbis and identified by secret symbols?

      "Answer: No. This old and vicious rumour is based on anti-Semitic 
      scapegoating that tries to blame Jews for higher prices - to pay 
      the rabbis - then claims Jews are the only ones who know the 
      secret symbols and claim the kosher deduction. It's all false." 
      (Chalmers, Ron. Edmonton Journal, Business section, "Money 
      Matters," front page, May 29, 1996)

   The question, of course, is why you misrepresented (to be
   kind) the contents of this article?

Followups directed to can.general and ab.general, as this has
nothing to do with Holocaust denial. Posted and emailed to
Mr. McFee and to two of Mr. Grosvenor's accounts, so he'll be
certain to see it.

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Now, William Grosvenor/Gruber/Wahrheit's article, he seems to use a 
number of aliases, but to keep it simple, I'll refer to him as William 
Grosvenor here.
In this article, he only proves he is what I have been saying about him 
all along, that he is a nazi, and nazi = racist anti-semite sadist. It is 
also well known that Hitler was anti-communist and a homophobe, and of 
course, a paranoied sadist. Given Grosvenor's obsessive hate for jews, 
homosexuals, communists, even though they only exist in this country in 
his imagination, it is absolutely frightening to think of what would 
happen to this country if he came into power! His desire to cremate all 
"faggots" as he calls them, only proves he is a sadistic nazi.

>From acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Thu Jun 20 00:20:14 MDT 1996
Article: 25476 of ab.general
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From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
Subject: MORE SPECIAL RIGHTS FOR FAGGOTS!!
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 07:07:06 -0600
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The CHRC - COMMUNIST HOMO RIGHTS CANADA - have ruled that faggots are now 
to get more special rights.

These 'family benefits' will be at the expense of all the senior 
citizens, who will now have their legitimate benefits reduced, so that 
the government can pay off all the faggot and lesbian couples.

These extra benefits for their faggot friends were brought to you by Herr 
Stein/Rock, Gray/Graustein, and Kaplan among others.They were strongly 
supported by major members of the World Jewish Congress, who feel that 
faggots deserve special rights and privileges, just as in Sodom and 
Gommorrah!!!

I strongly recommend a BOYCOTT of those major businesses giving special 
rights to faggots.Some of those businesses in Canada are:
	BAY
	SEARS
	DOW CHEMICAL
	NORTHERN TELECOM
	T-D BANK


I personally believe that the only good faggot, is a cremated one.

Have you all forgotten that AIDS was deliberately spread worldwide by the 
Canadian faggot with Air Canada?

This has been well detailed in the documentary book, and movie, entitled 
"AND THE BAND PLAYED ON"

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