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Kurt Knoll has lost the plot.



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Vera Perks tried to call the Spencer Police on Mr. Horn.  Vera is too 
stupid to know that Mr. Horn lives in Oklahoma City, and thus, Spencer 
has no jurisdiction to arrest him.  It is the Oklahoma City Police 
Department that has the jurisdiction to arrest Mr. Horn.  If she was 
smart she would call:

Sgt. Jim Bradford
1-(405)-297-1101
701 Colcord Dr.
Oklahoma City, OK 73102



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Vera Perks got in trouble with the police again?  ROTFLMFAO!



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Any news would be appreciated.



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Subject: WHEN IS WILLIAM GROSVENOR GOING TO PAY RICHARD WARMAN???????
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William Grosvenor                       
9208 - 137 Avenue                           
EDMONTON - Alberta 
CANADA T5E 1Y5
Phone: (780) 475-9668 and (780) 475-5555 
Google Map- http://tinyurl.com/8hfc5n

Here is William Grosvenor's Civil suit that he lost.

http://tinyurl.com/5px2k7

http://tinyurl.com/6eqas7

Here is his felony conviction.  


http://tinyurl.com/8krxh8

                                      CRIMINAL CODE, 1953-54

                                          CONVICTION
                                     (C.C., ss. 482 and 713)

CANADA                      )
Province of British Columbia)
County of Prince Rupert     )           Regina vs. GROSVENOR
City of Prince Rupert       )

          Be it remembered that on the 29th day of April, A.D. 1970,
at Prince Rupert, B.C., William GROSVENOR, hereinafter called "the
accused", was tried under Part (XVI) of the Criminal Code upon the
chaqrge that he the accused between the 13th day of February, A.D.
1970 and the 16th day of February, A.D. 1970 both days inclusive, in
the City of Prince Rupert, in the Province of British Columbia, 
without reasonable justification or excuse and with intent to extort
money by threatening to prosecute Campbell McLEOD with an offense 
under the Companies Act of the Province of British Columbia,
UNLAWFULLY attempted to induce the said Campbell McLEOD to pay him,
the said William GROSVENOR, the sum of Fifty Dollars ($50.00),

CONTRARY TO THE FORM OF STATUTE IN SUCH CASE MADE AND PROVIDED:

was convicted of the said offense, and the following punishment
was imposed upon him, namely: That the said accused be imprisoned
in the Prince George Regional Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the
term of one (1) day and in addition forfeit and pay the sum of
FOUR HUNDRED ($400.00) dollars, to be applied according to law, 
and also pay to the Court the sum of Nil dollars in respect to
costs, and in default of payment of the said sums forthwith or
before 29-Jul-70 to be imprisoned in the Prince George Regional
Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the term of TWO (2) MONTHS
unless the said sums and costs and charges to the said prison
are sooner paid.

          Dated this 29th day of Apri., A.D. 1970 at
Prince Rupert, B.C.

                       (D.K. McADAM)
                       -------------------------------
                       A Judge in and for the Province
                       of British Columbia, specially
                       authorized by the terms of his
                       appointment to exercise juris-
                       diction under Part XVI of the
                       Criminal Code.

Certified as a true copy of the
original order of conviction

(Signature illegible)

In and for the Province of
British Columbia.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tell it to the judge Grosvenor!!



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Loathesome Molester McVay-Cheating IRS & CRA-Now B'Nai Brith
Dissolving?

Now  B'nai Brith Canada may be dissolving because even the jews can 
not stand the CRIMINAL MONEY LAUNDERING of BB for McVay's BUSINESS, 
and giving FRAUDULENT CHARITABLE DONATION RECEIPTS for payments
for McVay's BUSINESS!!

It must be jealousy that is causing all the goyim suckers to object 
to the fact that he can scam the IRS and CRA, by illegal money 
laundering through Bnai Brith and the San Antonio Area Foundation.

Now, with the Canadian tax Department - CRA - having authorised  an 
extra $30 million for a TAX FRAUD TAX FORCE, McVay and his 
co-conspirators in Bnai Brith will probably be joining criminal 
Bernardo in the pen!!

Plus, all those gullible crooks who used the FRAUDULENT charitable 
donation receipts given for payments to McVay's BUSINESS, will now 
get re-assessed, and have to pay taxes, penalties, and interest!!

CRA should be able to recover most of the $30 million just from McVay,
Bnai Brith, and the suckers using the fraudulent donation receipts for
McVay's BUSINESS!!


Even Jew groups, such as Sol Littman/Bnai Brith, have a website
criticising
Ken McVay at:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml

PROOF THAT MCVAY SWINDLES EVERYONE, AND DOES NOT DECLARE INCOME FOR
TAXES!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/5863ead7b3942e76?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000 Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Ken McVay
is
Lying About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report
for
2002 Is Further Proof! V3.5   T_0929
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:41:48 -0500
Message-ID: 

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New
Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1pfb3@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear
Financed With
Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
Message-ID: 
Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT

All links have been updated such as internal GOOGLE links! Just
quoting parts
of the abov where McVay says one thing and then another pisses him
off!

Even ZHID groups are disgusted with McVay, as this website from BB
declares:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml
Mamser Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting 
and car theft in California and Oregon, the 
well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver, 
also a convicted car thief and all round molester, 
and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of 
the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now dying from AIDS,
wants all to know about all his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
Here is the latest.......

From: timguegen@NAMBLA.org
Subject: Re:NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
Date: Wed,  9 May 2001 20:59:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: NIZKOR WATCH .
Subject: WWW.NIZKOR.ORG IS A TAX SCAM AND YOU,
THE TAX PAYER, ARE FOOTING THE BILL!
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:46:30 -0600

One must wonder, who in CCRA is on the take,
that they do not prosecute for JEW TAX FRAUDS,
such as McVay/NIZKOR, or the BRONFMANS??

Straight from CCRA: "we have no record of a registered
charity by the name of Nizkor.org."
   
THIS  POST  FILED  WITH  CCRA

FOREWORD: Canadian revenue payers you need to contact
CCRA and ask them how a website is able to receive
"exempt donations" when it is neither a registered
charity or a Non Profit Organization.

In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR 
charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a 
senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

Call Mr.Philippe Robert
Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423


The equivalent with IRS in the USA,  
2 phone numbers for:
IRS Criminal Investigations H.O.
1-800-829-0433
or, 202-622-7796

Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


A letter (included below) from CCRA advises me they
never heard of NIZKOR.ORG so you all should be asking
how Nizkor is offering:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax
receipt" when it is nothing more than a website!

It's YOUR tax dollars financing a man who pays HIMSELF
to defame private citizens!

http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation
Canadian receipt)

CCRA said: "we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org." (Letter included below)
Only registered charities are allowed
to issue "Canadian receipts"!!

"A registered charity is a charity that has specifically
applied to the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for
registration and has been accepted as such. A registered
charity can issue charitable receipts for tax purposes."
CCRA rule included below with web link for verification!

THE ONE-CREATURE BUSINESS, RUN BY MCVAY SOLELY TO
LINE HIS POCKETS, IN NO WAY IS A CHARITY AS SPECIFIED BY LAW!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: Charity webmail 
Sender: "Langdon, Blaine" 
To: Scott Bradbury 
Subject: Registered charity question.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:23:26 -0500
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)

Thank you for your e-mail.

The Charities Directorate of the Canada Customs and
Revenue Agency is responsible for the registration
and compliance of charities in Canada.
These organizations are similar to "exempt organizations"
as are registered in the United States.
However, we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org.

Additionally, due to the confidentiality provisions
of the Canadian Income Tax Act, I am unable to
disclose information concerning a particular
organization's tax affairs, including measures
taken or to be taken by the Department resulting
>from complaints. However, I wish to assure you that
all complaints received by the Department are
treated seriously and are fully investigated,
where appropriate.

Finally, the annual information returns of
Canadian registered charities are available to
the public.
However, as you will note from the above,
Nizkor.org is not a registered charity.
The non-profit information return which you
describe is not available to the public.

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

Sincerely,
Blaine Langdon
Charities Directorate

~~~~END~~~~

LURKERS: here is how Ken McVay and his Nizkor business
is robbing you:

Folks I am getting CCRA's attention and you
all should be putting forth the effort to find
out just how and why a "website" receives "exempt
donations" and the proprietor "pays himself" from
such donations and also his website has issued
"tax receipts." This is a scam which bilks
the Canadian Tax Payer!

LOOK!

http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonprofit/menu-e.html
Non-profit organizations - Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency

Remember Canadian Tax Payers -
It is YOU who is subsidizing Nizkor!
Do you want your tax dollar subsidizing this web site?

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Nizkor=&rnum=16&seld=909625816&ic
=1&filter=0
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism,bc.general,can.general,tor.general,on.general
Subject: Re: ATTENTION NIZKOR: Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit
Organization (NPO) Information Return Form T1044
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <99oro0$259r$1@news.tht.net>
References: 
<3abfe742$0$195@news.impulse.net>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website.

Glad to see you making that a public record.
Care to explain how a website not being either an
"NPO nor a Charity" can operate as you
do and issue tax deduction receipts?

No personal attacks now McVay because I WILL HOLD
YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE! I think CCRA would be interested
in what you just declared too!

Personal attack is all people have when they can't
argue their position!
Has everyone ever noticed that trait in people who
have something to hide?

Why do you accept "exempt donations" and issue tax
receipts you bold faced liar and sleaze bag?
Answer that instead of making with the wise cracks.

You are NOT allowed by law to grant tax receipts
according to CCRA statutes which you so conveniently
deleted. The more you act like a pompous arrogant ass -
the more it makes me want to put you in your place.

YOU ARE A LIAR!

Canadian revenue payers take note of this sleazer!
He's being subsidized at your expense!

What sleaze bag McVay deleted because he doesn't want
to deal with it:

http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/t4117eq/t4117eq.html#P131_12645

Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit Organization (NPO)
Information Return Includes Form T1044
Visually impaired persons can get information on services
available to them, and can order publications in braille
or large print, or on audio cassette or computer diskette,
by calling 1-800-267-1267 weekdays from
8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (Eastern Time).

[...]

An NPO described in paragraph 149(1)(l) of the Income
Tax Act is a club,society, or association that is
organized and operated solely for:

social welfare;
civic improvement;
pleasure or recreation;
or any other purpose except profit.

Also, no part of the income of these organizations can
be payable to or otherwise available for the personal
benefit of any proprietor, member, or shareholder,
unless the proprietor, member, or shareholder was a
club, society,or association whose primary purpose
was to promote amateur athletics in Canada.

<>

Distinguishing non-profit organizations from registered
charities
An NPO is not a registered charity.
A registered charity is a charity that has specifically
applied to the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for
registration and has been ACCEPTED by CCRA  as such.

A registered charity can issue charitable receipts for
tax purposes. An NPO does not have to register either
federally or provincially to maintain
its privileged tax status.

Generally, registered charities also have to disburse
80% of the funds for which they issued charitable receipts
on their own charitable activities or as gifts to qualified
donees.

NPOs cannot issue tax receipts for donations or membership
fees contributed, and they are not required to disburse a
specified percentage of their earnings.


Notice what CCRA said about "issu[ing] charitable receipts
for tax purposes"? Look at McVay's operation and see if it
complies with the law stated above:
"NPOs cannot issue tax receipts for donations.."
yet Ken McVay's very own BUSINESS - NIZKOR page says:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt."
Ken McVay also claims that NIZKOR is NOT a charity
as shown down further in this post.

http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation (Canadian receipt)
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

The Nizkor Project is pleased to announce its
cooperative affiliation with the League for Human Rights
of B'nai Brith Canada. The League is a national volunteer
organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism,
racism and bigotry, and to promoting human rights
for all Canadians.

Donors wishing to use their VISA or MASTER CARD for their
donation may call B'nai Brith directly, at 1-416-633-6224,
and advise the receptionist that they wish to make a
donation to the Nizkor Project;
If you prefer, you can print this form and send to:

The Nizkor Project
c/o
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
15 Hove Street
Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8

Name:________________________________________
Street Address:________________________________________________
City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______
E-Mail Address:_________________________________
Amount Enclosed: $___________

Please make your donations payable to "The League for
Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words
"Nizkor Trust Fund" to the cheque's memo section.
A portion of amounts donated to the Trust Fund is used
to build the Nizkor Endowment Fund. If you prefer that
all of your donation be invested for Nizkor's future needs,
please earmark your cheque or draft with the notation
'For The Nizkor Endowment Fund Only.

(All bequests should be to the 'Nizkor Endowment Fund,
Care of The League for Human
Rights of B'nai Brith Canada'.)

Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
[#0235903-43-13]

-----------------------

Notice what is said above?
Look what Ken Mcvay has said not too long ago:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=charity=&rnum=4&seld=955885050&ic=1
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: JEWS DUMPED FAG MCVAY!!!
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2000-12-05 13:46:34 PST

"McVay/Nizkor" has never issued tax receipts of any sort,
Mr.Grosvenor, so it's rather silly to suggest we got
"caught at it."



Notice how McVay says one thing and then says another?
His very own "website" says: "Donations over $10.00
will receive a Canadian tax receipt."
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
Yet in the post just above McVay said:
"McVay/Nizkor" has never issued tax receipts of any sort,
Mr. Grosvenor, so it's rather silly to suggest we
got "caught at it."

McVay is a LIAR anyway you look at it! I provided the
links to all of my proofs so that you all, the
concerned citizenry may verify my claims.

It is also plain that McVay does not claim Nizkor
to be a charitable organization as shown here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=charitable=&rnum=1&seld=943267125&ic=1
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: Is Ken McVay's WWW.NIZKOR.ORG A Sham
Which Gets its Director Spending Money? R 2
Date: 2001-01-06 00:00:08 PST

In article <8kjd5t0el7tbd9lv4o7tsg7hii3qmsgns9@4ax.com>,
Doc Tavish   wrote:
>We know that the Nizkor website relies on charitable
>donations in order to survive. We also accept that any
>organization whose survival depends on charitable
>donations should make its records open to the public.
>Will Ken McVay answer these questions as he is the sole
>director of Nizkor!

How does Mr. Bradbury "know" these things?
How does Mr. Bradbury "know" that Nizkor is a "charitable
organization?" (Can he show that anyone from Nizkor has
ever claimed to be such an organization?)



Well now we know Nizkor is not a "charitable organization"
so it has to be an NPO?!
So why does Ken McVay's NPO declare at its web page:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt"
which would be in violation of: "NPOs cannot issue tax
receipts for donations" but Ken McVay lies to a person
who's an object of his smear campaign: "McVay/Nizkor" has
never issued tax receipts of any sort.."
Then again KcVay admitted higher up in this post:
"Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website."
See how NIZKOR skirts all criteria of the tax laws?

Does Nizkor or does Nizkor not look crooked?

Seeing how Ken McVay's Nizkor accepts "exempt donation[s]"
it would be interesting to see why the Canadian Government
actually approves an organization with such tax status to
operate under the conditions Ken McVay's Nizkor does.
To this very day Ken McVay will not answer these
questions:

1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?
2) What is the physical address of Nizkor?
3) What is the phone number of Nizkor?
4) Where can one find the organizational papers for Nizkor?
  a) How many people compose the Nizkor staff?
     According to ex-staffers who have posted articles to newsgroups,
McVay IS THE 
SOLE PAID EMPLOYEE OF THE BUSINESS!!!
  b) What are the financial responsibilities of Nizkor?
5) What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorized to
   solicit tax free contributions?
6) How much money does Nizkor Org receive yearly as charitable
donations?
7) You show below that you pay yourself-- what is your yearly pay?

Subject: Re: How much of a cut does the B'nai Brith get from Nizkor?
Date: 05/08/2000
Author: Kenneth McVay, OBC 

>f) Does Ken McVay pay himself a salary for his work for Nizkor?

Yup - I also appreciate revenue from public speaking and site
advertising.

~~~~~~~End Archival Excerpt~~~~~~

8) Is Nizkor proper (it's office and main facilities)
   located in a back room of your own residence as this says?
http://www.Xgeocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.htmlX
(Remove the X's to view the site, this is to help prevent
McVay from spamming the search engines. Link active March 24, 2001)

"A Voyage to Nanaimo-- It takes two hours to cross the
Georgia Strait by ferry from Vancouver, British Columbia,
another half-hour by jitney from the Nanaimo terminal to
reach the home of Kenneth N. McVay, webmaster for
The Nizkor Project . The address is an ordinary
suburban split-level in a middle-class neighborhood.
There is nothing distinctive about its location. ....
I am taken to a back room, filled with computer equipment,
monitors, and books... Seated in front of the array is
McVay, apparently a 50-something computer nerd. He is
tall, thin, with short hair and glasses, wired to the
world through his ISP. The Nizkor project which McVay
runs from this room in the back of his house... " 

A question for all reading this:
How many organizations which receive charitable
contributions operate from the backroom of the
director's home? He claims to be non-profit and
it appears that he would have a low overhead--
so how much money does Ken McVay receive for
his backroom operation?
Why won't Ken McVay make public his budget?

9) What sort of legitimate organization keeps
files on private citizens and publicly defames
people on its "hit list" as Nizkor does?

"Canada's Very Own Nizkor's Lies, Smears, and Defamation Answered"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=digsig=&rnum=5&seld=921850669&ic=1
"Pathological Liar Tubby Edeiken's Perjured Fabricated Evidence"

To continually propagate information which has been
proven false, perjurious, and fabricated and by a person
who incited murder against the person he has litigated
is most deplorable BUT this is what Ken McVay's Nizkor
does with "exempt donation[s]."
An organization such as Nizkor would not be able to
operate in this manner in the United States
and perhaps this is why Ken McVay left the
United States to operate from Canada!>>

Time will tell. Those interested in finding out why
Nizkor can operate in this manner should contact:
http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/contact/
which is the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency.

Nizkor would not be allowed to operate in the manner
it does in America and perhaps this is why Ken McVay,
director of Nizkor, diverts attention
>from having an American money pot!

[...]

For those who are curious, here the details of

the neutral people behind Mr Mazal:
His above website is registered by the
"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" c/o BASIC of
600 Sandau Suite 400,
San Antonio, TX 78216, in Texas, USA.
The billing contact is Mr Harry Mazal of the same address:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC,
600 Sandau, Suite 400, San Antonio, TX 78216,
and their phone number is 210-377-2422.
Somebody might like to check them out in more details.
We will be happy in the spirit of openness to post all
that we are told of these people.
It is the old Nizkor gang at work again.

	~~~~END~~~~

Again- Canadian tax payers- do you wish to subsidize Fag Ken McVay?
This disgusting filth's picture is at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Doc Tavish



If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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Who cares? One Middle East shithole attacking another Middle East 
shithole. It has no bearing on the UK or the US. The oil will still flow, 
no matter who occupies Gaza or the West Bank.

Since oil is the only thing we care about in that region, why is anyone 
except Jews interested in this?

And why does the US give billions to the Israeli shithole? What has the 
shithole done for us lately, or ever?



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Here is William Grosvenor's Civil suit that he lost.

http://tinyurl.com/5px2k7

http://tinyurl.com/6eqas7

Here is his felony conviction.  


http://tinyurl.com/8krxh8

                                      CRIMINAL CODE, 1953-54

                                          CONVICTION
                                     (C.C., ss. 482 and 713)

CANADA                      )
Province of British Columbia)
County of Prince Rupert     )           Regina vs. GROSVENOR
City of Prince Rupert       )

          Be it remembered that on the 29th day of April, A.D. 1970,
at Prince Rupert, B.C., William GROSVENOR, hereinafter called "the
accused", was tried under Part (XVI) of the Criminal Code upon the
chaqrge that he the accused between the 13th day of February, A.D.
1970 and the 16th day of February, A.D. 1970 both days inclusive, in
the City of Prince Rupert, in the Province of British Columbia, 
without reasonable justification or excuse and with intent to extort
money by threatening to prosecute Campbell McLEOD with an offense 
under the Companies Act of the Province of British Columbia,
UNLAWFULLY attempted to induce the said Campbell McLEOD to pay him,
the said William GROSVENOR, the sum of Fifty Dollars ($50.00),

CONTRARY TO THE FORM OF STATUTE IN SUCH CASE MADE AND PROVIDED:

was convicted of the said offense, and the following punishment
was imposed upon him, namely: That the said accused be imprisoned
in the Prince George Regional Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the
term of one (1) day and in addition forfeit and pay the sum of
FOUR HUNDRED ($400.00) dollars, to be applied according to law, 
and also pay to the Court the sum of Nil dollars in respect to
costs, and in default of payment of the said sums forthwith or
before 29-Jul-70 to be imprisoned in the Prince George Regional
Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the term of TWO (2) MONTHS
unless the said sums and costs and charges to the said prison
are sooner paid.

          Dated this 29th day of Apri., A.D. 1970 at
Prince Rupert, B.C.

                       (D.K. McADAM)
                       -------------------------------
                       A Judge in and for the Province
                       of British Columbia, specially
                       authorized by the terms of his
                       appointment to exercise juris-
                       diction under Part XVI of the
                       Criminal Code.

Certified as a true copy of the
original order of conviction

(Signature illegible)

In and for the Province of
British Columbia.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tell it to the judge Grosvenor



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Here is William Grosvenor's Civil suit that he lost.

http://tinyurl.com/5px2k7

http://tinyurl.com/6eqas7

Here is his felony conviction. 

http://tinyurl.com/8krxh8

                                      CRIMINAL CODE, 1953-54

                                          CONVICTION
                                     (C.C., ss. 482 and 713)

CANADA                      )
Province of British Columbia)
County of Prince Rupert     )           Regina vs. GROSVENOR
City of Prince Rupert       )

          Be it remembered that on the 29th day of April, A.D. 1970,
at Prince Rupert, B.C., William GROSVENOR, hereinafter called "the
accused", was tried under Part (XVI) of the Criminal Code upon the
chaqrge that he the accused between the 13th day of February, A.D.
1970 and the 16th day of February, A.D. 1970 both days inclusive, in
the City of Prince Rupert, in the Province of British Columbia, 
without reasonable justification or excuse and with intent to extort
money by threatening to prosecute Campbell McLEOD with an offense 
under the Companies Act of the Province of British Columbia,
UNLAWFULLY attempted to induce the said Campbell McLEOD to pay him,
the said William GROSVENOR, the sum of Fifty Dollars ($50.00),

CONTRARY TO THE FORM OF STATUTE IN SUCH CASE MADE AND PROVIDED:

was convicted of the said offense, and the following punishment
was imposed upon him, namely: That the said accused be imprisoned
in the Prince George Regional Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the
term of one (1) day and in addition forfeit and pay the sum of
FOUR HUNDRED ($400.00) dollars, to be applied according to law, 
and also pay to the Court the sum of Nil dollars in respect to
costs, and in default of payment of the said sums forthwith or
before 29-Jul-70 to be imprisoned in the Prince George Regional
Goal at Prince George, B.C. for the term of TWO (2) MONTHS
unless the said sums and costs and charges to the said prison
are sooner paid.

          Dated this 29th day of Apri., A.D. 1970 at
Prince Rupert, B.C.

                       (D.K. McADAM)
                       -------------------------------
                       A Judge in and for the Province
                       of British Columbia, specially
                       authorized by the terms of his
                       appointment to exercise juris-
                       diction under Part XVI of the
                       Criminal Code.

Certified as a true copy of the
original order of conviction

(Signature illegible)

In and for the Province of
British Columbia.

++++++++++++++++++++++
Tell it to the judge Grosvenor



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Pissing Off The Reichtards wrote:
>On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:35:02 GMT, usenet@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai
>(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
>
>>Hoosiers file suit challenging Obama's birth status
>>
>>By Tim Evans
>>Indy.com 
>>Thursday, December 25, 2008
>>
>>As officials in Washington prepare for the inauguration of
>
>
>It just goes to show that Indiana isn't immune from this sort of extreme
>crackpotttery that goes with the reich wing..  
>
>This this is on the same level as Nancy Luft except Nancy's mental condition is
>well known.

  If it was only those outside the loop, you might be right.  But there is mounting
dissent inside the loop.  External hostilities are increasing as well.  That Obama
is black is no coincidence.  You got to figure, trouble is brewing.





























 

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Pissing Off The Reichtards wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 03:42:44 +0100 (CET), George Orwell  wrote:
>>  If it was only those outside the loop, you might be right.  But there is mounting
>>dissent inside the loop.  External hostilities are increasing as well.  That Obama
>>is black is no coincidence.  You got to figure, trouble is brewing.
>
>Only in the the GOP and Racist loon coops.  Hawaii verified the information.
>Anyone inside the "loop" that thinks this is an issue has got a long row to
>hoe.
>
>Welcome your new President Elect Barak HUSSAIN Obama.  Got a real nice ring to
>it.  The reich wing can scream, squirm, piss, and moan but that won't change
>the facts.

  He who laughs last, laughs best.




























 

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Subject: SPY ON THE NAZI-JEWS LIKE THE ROTHSCHILDS
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You MUST identify who and where people who work for the NAZI-Jews or the Rothschilds live and spy on them and learn all their habits and contacts (use of watchlists is highly recommended and please do share those watchlists, and assume "good faith" with your neigbors)! 

They must know they are under our constant vigilant surveillance. We are the vast majority! They (those racist muderers and terrorists) cannot defeat us if we remain united and peaceful. 


Exchange those files by using peer-to-peer software like Kazzaa. It can soon become a huge database to defend Christianity against the NAZI-Jews. 


In Jesus'name, 


AMEN! 


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Subject: Frank Arthur=Pervert Still-Loves To Diddle Kids
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On Fri, 8 June 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

>I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  certifiably insane, and just another ZYD liar, since I have
constantly been posting to this, and many other newsgroups!!

>The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
>He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur, posing as Grosvomit.

>The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show
>on the gray tab:

>Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves
I am a certifiable lunatic.

Many people think that I am really gay Ken McVay, hehehe.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
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Canadian Jew News on page 2 of the issue for January 1 2009 reports:

Leading newspaper in Greece, Avriani, call Madoff's ponzi scam
" the Jewish Connection".

The article was headlined on the front page, with another five pages
in the issue of the newspaper for December 21 2008.

At least 6 times was emphasised that Madoff was a ZYD, as well as 
emphasising that ZYDS are behind all the world's problems with financial 
institutions.

ADL: Financial crisis sparking anti-Semitic upsurge on Internet
From: O.Peters 
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:18:34 -0600
Cc:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:47:11 GMT,
, "007" <007@world.org> 
wrote:

      ADL: Financial crisis sparking anti-Semitic upsurge on Internet

      By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent

      Tags: Israel News, Financial crisis

      The Anti-Defamation League reported Thursday a major upsurge in the
number of anti-Semitic postings on the Internet relating to the financial
crisis engulfing the United States.

      The Jewish-American organization cited hundreds of posts regarding 
the
bankrupt investment bank Lehman Brothers and other institutions affected by
the subprime mortgage crisis. The messages railed against Jews in general,
with some charging that Jews control the U.S. government and finance as 
part
of a "Jew world order" and therefore are to blame for the economic turmoil.

      Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, said: "We know from modern
history that whenever there is a downturn in the global economy, there will
be an upturn in the level of anti-Semitism and bigotry, and that is what we
are seeing now."

      http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1025970.html


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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It's a cliche that as you get older you become a stranger to chunks of 
the society you live in.

I am not a recluse, but I know it has happened to me, not that I really 
care; but I noticed a striking instance of it today in a story about 
Starbucks laying off another 1000 employees.

The story is at 
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/
businesstechnology/2008665670_starbucks24.html

In the story it says: No barista jobs are in jeopardy....

I have a pretty good vocabulary, but I had never heard of this 'barista' 
job before, so I checked wikipedia and found this:

"When using the term in English jargon, "barista" refers to one who has 
acquired some level of expertise in the preparation of espresso-based 
coffee drinks."

Well, that explains the word, but it doesn't explain why the writer of 
the story, Melissa Allison, would drop the word in as if the average man 
would know what it meant.

Is it possible that the average man *does* know what the word means? If 
so, then I have truly become fossilized.


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Loathesome Molester McVay-Cheating IRS & CRA-Now B'Nai Brith
Dissolving?

Now  B'nai Brith Canada may be dissolving because even the jews can 
not stand the CRIMINAL MONEY LAUNDERING of BB for McVay's BUSINESS, 
and giving FRAUDULENT CHARITABLE DONATION RECEIPTS for payments
for McVay's BUSINESS!!

It must be jealousy that is causing all the goyim suckers to object 
to the fact that he can scam the IRS and CRA, by illegal money 
laundering through Bnai Brith and the San Antonio Area Foundation.

Now, with the Canadian tax Department - CRA - having authorised  an 
extra $30 million for a TAX FRAUD TAX FORCE, McVay and his 
co-conspirators in Bnai Brith will probably be joining criminal 
Bernardo in the pen!!

Plus, all those gullible crooks who used the FRAUDULENT charitable 
donation receipts given for payments to McVay's BUSINESS, will now 
get re-assessed, and have to pay taxes, penalties, and interest!!

CRA should be able to recover most of the $30 million just from McVay,
Bnai Brith, and the suckers using the fraudulent donation receipts for
McVay's BUSINESS!!


Even Jew groups, such as Sol Littman/Bnai Brith, have a website
criticising
Ken McVay at:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml

PROOF THAT MCVAY SWINDLES EVERYONE, AND DOES NOT DECLARE INCOME FOR
TAXES!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/5863ead7b3942e76?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000 Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Ken McVay
is
Lying About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report
for
2002 Is Further Proof! V3.5   T_0929
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:41:48 -0500
Message-ID: 

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New
Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1pfb3@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear
Financed With
Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
Message-ID: 
Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT

All links have been updated such as internal GOOGLE links! Just
quoting parts
of the abov where McVay says one thing and then another pisses him
off!

Even ZHID groups are disgusted with McVay, as this website from BB
declares:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml
Mamser Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting 
and car theft in California and Oregon, the 
well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver, 
also a convicted car thief and all round molester, 
and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of 
the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now dying from AIDS,
wants all to know about all his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
Here is the latest.......

From: timguegen@NAMBLA.org
Subject: Re:NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
Date: Wed,  9 May 2001 20:59:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: NIZKOR WATCH .
Subject: WWW.NIZKOR.ORG IS A TAX SCAM AND YOU,
THE TAX PAYER, ARE FOOTING THE BILL!
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 23:46:30 -0600

One must wonder, who in CCRA is on the take,
that they do not prosecute for JEW TAX FRAUDS,
such as McVay/NIZKOR, or the BRONFMANS??

Straight from CCRA: "we have no record of a registered
charity by the name of Nizkor.org."
   
THIS  POST  FILED  WITH  CCRA

FOREWORD: Canadian revenue payers you need to contact
CCRA and ask them how a website is able to receive
"exempt donations" when it is neither a registered
charity or a Non Profit Organization.

In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR 
charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a 
senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

Call Mr.Philippe Robert
Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423


The equivalent with IRS in the USA,  
2 phone numbers for:
IRS Criminal Investigations H.O.
1-800-829-0433
or, 202-622-7796

Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


A letter (included below) from CCRA advises me they
never heard of NIZKOR.ORG so you all should be asking
how Nizkor is offering:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax
receipt" when it is nothing more than a website!

It's YOUR tax dollars financing a man who pays HIMSELF
to defame private citizens!

http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation
Canadian receipt)

CCRA said: "we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org." (Letter included below)
Only registered charities are allowed
to issue "Canadian receipts"!!

"A registered charity is a charity that has specifically
applied to the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for
registration and has been accepted as such. A registered
charity can issue charitable receipts for tax purposes."
CCRA rule included below with web link for verification!

THE ONE-CREATURE BUSINESS, RUN BY MCVAY SOLELY TO
LINE HIS POCKETS, IN NO WAY IS A CHARITY AS SPECIFIED BY LAW!!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: Charity webmail 
Sender: "Langdon, Blaine" 
To: Scott Bradbury 
Subject: Registered charity question.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:23:26 -0500
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)

Thank you for your e-mail.

The Charities Directorate of the Canada Customs and
Revenue Agency is responsible for the registration
and compliance of charities in Canada.
These organizations are similar to "exempt organizations"
as are registered in the United States.
However, we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org.

Additionally, due to the confidentiality provisions
of the Canadian Income Tax Act, I am unable to
disclose information concerning a particular
organization's tax affairs, including measures
taken or to be taken by the Department resulting
>from complaints. However, I wish to assure you that
all complaints received by the Department are
treated seriously and are fully investigated,
where appropriate.

Finally, the annual information returns of
Canadian registered charities are available to
the public.
However, as you will note from the above,
Nizkor.org is not a registered charity.
The non-profit information return which you
describe is not available to the public.

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

Sincerely,
Blaine Langdon
Charities Directorate

~~~~END~~~~

LURKERS: here is how Ken McVay and his Nizkor business
is robbing you:

Folks I am getting CCRA's attention and you
all should be putting forth the effort to find
out just how and why a "website" receives "exempt
donations" and the proprietor "pays himself" from
such donations and also his website has issued
"tax receipts." This is a scam which bilks
the Canadian Tax Payer!

LOOK!

http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonprofit/menu-e.html
Non-profit organizations - Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency

Remember Canadian Tax Payers -
It is YOU who is subsidizing Nizkor!
Do you want your tax dollar subsidizing this web site?

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Nizkor=&rnum=16&seld=909625816&ic
=1&filter=0
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Newsgroups:
alt.revisionism,bc.general,can.general,tor.general,on.general
Subject: Re: ATTENTION NIZKOR: Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit
Organization (NPO) Information Return Form T1044
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <99oro0$259r$1@news.tht.net>
References: 
<3abfe742$0$195@news.impulse.net>

On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC), kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org
(Kenneth McVay, OBC) wrote:

>Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website.

Glad to see you making that a public record.
Care to explain how a website not being either an
"NPO nor a Charity" can operate as you
do and issue tax deduction receipts?

No personal attacks now McVay because I WILL HOLD
YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE! I think CCRA would be interested
in what you just declared too!

Personal attack is all people have when they can't
argue their position!
Has everyone ever noticed that trait in people who
have something to hide?

Why do you accept "exempt donations" and issue tax
receipts you bold faced liar and sleaze bag?
Answer that instead of making with the wise cracks.

You are NOT allowed by law to grant tax receipts
according to CCRA statutes which you so conveniently
deleted. The more you act like a pompous arrogant ass -
the more it makes me want to put you in your place.

YOU ARE A LIAR!

Canadian revenue payers take note of this sleazer!
He's being subsidized at your expense!

What sleaze bag McVay deleted because he doesn't want
to deal with it:

http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/t4117eq/t4117eq.html#P131_12645

Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit Organization (NPO)
Information Return Includes Form T1044
Visually impaired persons can get information on services
available to them, and can order publications in braille
or large print, or on audio cassette or computer diskette,
by calling 1-800-267-1267 weekdays from
8:15 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (Eastern Time).

[...]

An NPO described in paragraph 149(1)(l) of the Income
Tax Act is a club,society, or association that is
organized and operated solely for:

social welfare;
civic improvement;
pleasure or recreation;
or any other purpose except profit.

Also, no part of the income of these organizations can
be payable to or otherwise available for the personal
benefit of any proprietor, member, or shareholder,
unless the proprietor, member, or shareholder was a
club, society,or association whose primary purpose
was to promote amateur athletics in Canada.

<>

Distinguishing non-profit organizations from registered
charities
An NPO is not a registered charity.
A registered charity is a charity that has specifically
applied to the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for
registration and has been ACCEPTED by CCRA  as such.

A registered charity can issue charitable receipts for
tax purposes. An NPO does not have to register either
federally or provincially to maintain
its privileged tax status.

Generally, registered charities also have to disburse
80% of the funds for which they issued charitable receipts
on their own charitable activities or as gifts to qualified
donees.

NPOs cannot issue tax receipts for donations or membership
fees contributed, and they are not required to disburse a
specified percentage of their earnings.


Notice what CCRA said about "issu[ing] charitable receipts
for tax purposes"? Look at McVay's operation and see if it
complies with the law stated above:
"NPOs cannot issue tax receipts for donations.."
yet Ken McVay's very own BUSINESS - NIZKOR page says:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt."
Ken McVay also claims that NIZKOR is NOT a charity
as shown down further in this post.

http://www.nizkor.org/funding.shtml
Click here to learn how to make an exempt donation (Canadian receipt)
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

The Nizkor Project is pleased to announce its
cooperative affiliation with the League for Human Rights
of B'nai Brith Canada. The League is a national volunteer
organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism,
racism and bigotry, and to promoting human rights
for all Canadians.

Donors wishing to use their VISA or MASTER CARD for their
donation may call B'nai Brith directly, at 1-416-633-6224,
and advise the receptionist that they wish to make a
donation to the Nizkor Project;
If you prefer, you can print this form and send to:

The Nizkor Project
c/o
The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
15 Hove Street
Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8

Name:________________________________________
Street Address:________________________________________________
City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______
E-Mail Address:_________________________________
Amount Enclosed: $___________

Please make your donations payable to "The League for
Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words
"Nizkor Trust Fund" to the cheque's memo section.
A portion of amounts donated to the Trust Fund is used
to build the Nizkor Endowment Fund. If you prefer that
all of your donation be invested for Nizkor's future needs,
please earmark your cheque or draft with the notation
'For The Nizkor Endowment Fund Only.

(All bequests should be to the 'Nizkor Endowment Fund,
Care of The League for Human
Rights of B'nai Brith Canada'.)

Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
[#0235903-43-13]

-----------------------

Notice what is said above?
Look what Ken Mcvay has said not too long ago:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=charity=&rnum=4&seld=955885050&ic=1
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: JEWS DUMPED FAG MCVAY!!!
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2000-12-05 13:46:34 PST

"McVay/Nizkor" has never issued tax receipts of any sort,
Mr.Grosvenor, so it's rather silly to suggest we got
"caught at it."



Notice how McVay says one thing and then says another?
His very own "website" says: "Donations over $10.00
will receive a Canadian tax receipt."
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
Yet in the post just above McVay said:
"McVay/Nizkor" has never issued tax receipts of any sort,
Mr. Grosvenor, so it's rather silly to suggest we
got "caught at it."

McVay is a LIAR anyway you look at it! I provided the
links to all of my proofs so that you all, the
concerned citizenry may verify my claims.

It is also plain that McVay does not claim Nizkor
to be a charitable organization as shown here:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=charitable=&rnum=1&seld=943267125&ic=1
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Re: Is Ken McVay's WWW.NIZKOR.ORG A Sham
Which Gets its Director Spending Money? R 2
Date: 2001-01-06 00:00:08 PST

In article <8kjd5t0el7tbd9lv4o7tsg7hii3qmsgns9@4ax.com>,
Doc Tavish   wrote:
>We know that the Nizkor website relies on charitable
>donations in order to survive. We also accept that any
>organization whose survival depends on charitable
>donations should make its records open to the public.
>Will Ken McVay answer these questions as he is the sole
>director of Nizkor!

How does Mr. Bradbury "know" these things?
How does Mr. Bradbury "know" that Nizkor is a "charitable
organization?" (Can he show that anyone from Nizkor has
ever claimed to be such an organization?)



Well now we know Nizkor is not a "charitable organization"
so it has to be an NPO?!
So why does Ken McVay's NPO declare at its web page:
"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt"
which would be in violation of: "NPOs cannot issue tax
receipts for donations" but Ken McVay lies to a person
who's an object of his smear campaign: "McVay/Nizkor" has
never issued tax receipts of any sort.."
Then again KcVay admitted higher up in this post:
"Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website."
See how NIZKOR skirts all criteria of the tax laws?

Does Nizkor or does Nizkor not look crooked?

Seeing how Ken McVay's Nizkor accepts "exempt donation[s]"
it would be interesting to see why the Canadian Government
actually approves an organization with such tax status to
operate under the conditions Ken McVay's Nizkor does.
To this very day Ken McVay will not answer these
questions:

1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?
2) What is the physical address of Nizkor?
3) What is the phone number of Nizkor?
4) Where can one find the organizational papers for Nizkor?
  a) How many people compose the Nizkor staff?
     According to ex-staffers who have posted articles to newsgroups,
McVay IS THE 
SOLE PAID EMPLOYEE OF THE BUSINESS!!!
  b) What are the financial responsibilities of Nizkor?
5) What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorized to
   solicit tax free contributions?
6) How much money does Nizkor Org receive yearly as charitable
donations?
7) You show below that you pay yourself-- what is your yearly pay?

Subject: Re: How much of a cut does the B'nai Brith get from Nizkor?
Date: 05/08/2000
Author: Kenneth McVay, OBC 

>f) Does Ken McVay pay himself a salary for his work for Nizkor?

Yup - I also appreciate revenue from public speaking and site
advertising.

~~~~~~~End Archival Excerpt~~~~~~

8) Is Nizkor proper (it's office and main facilities)
   located in a back room of your own residence as this says?
http://www.Xgeocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.htmlX
(Remove the X's to view the site, this is to help prevent
McVay from spamming the search engines. Link active March 24, 2001)

"A Voyage to Nanaimo-- It takes two hours to cross the
Georgia Strait by ferry from Vancouver, British Columbia,
another half-hour by jitney from the Nanaimo terminal to
reach the home of Kenneth N. McVay, webmaster for
The Nizkor Project . The address is an ordinary
suburban split-level in a middle-class neighborhood.
There is nothing distinctive about its location. ....
I am taken to a back room, filled with computer equipment,
monitors, and books... Seated in front of the array is
McVay, apparently a 50-something computer nerd. He is
tall, thin, with short hair and glasses, wired to the
world through his ISP. The Nizkor project which McVay
runs from this room in the back of his house... " 

A question for all reading this:
How many organizations which receive charitable
contributions operate from the backroom of the
director's home? He claims to be non-profit and
it appears that he would have a low overhead--
so how much money does Ken McVay receive for
his backroom operation?
Why won't Ken McVay make public his budget?

9) What sort of legitimate organization keeps
files on private citizens and publicly defames
people on its "hit list" as Nizkor does?

"Canada's Very Own Nizkor's Lies, Smears, and Defamation Answered"
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=digsig=&rnum=5&seld=921850669&ic=1
"Pathological Liar Tubby Edeiken's Perjured Fabricated Evidence"

To continually propagate information which has been
proven false, perjurious, and fabricated and by a person
who incited murder against the person he has litigated
is most deplorable BUT this is what Ken McVay's Nizkor
does with "exempt donation[s]."
An organization such as Nizkor would not be able to
operate in this manner in the United States
and perhaps this is why Ken McVay left the
United States to operate from Canada!>>

Time will tell. Those interested in finding out why
Nizkor can operate in this manner should contact:
http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/contact/
which is the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency.

Nizkor would not be allowed to operate in the manner
it does in America and perhaps this is why Ken McVay,
director of Nizkor, diverts attention
>from having an American money pot!

[...]

For those who are curious, here the details of

the neutral people behind Mr Mazal:
His above website is registered by the
"San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" c/o BASIC of
600 Sandau Suite 400,
San Antonio, TX 78216, in Texas, USA.
The billing contact is Mr Harry Mazal of the same address:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC,
600 Sandau, Suite 400, San Antonio, TX 78216,
and their phone number is 210-377-2422.
Somebody might like to check them out in more details.
We will be happy in the spirit of openness to post all
that we are told of these people.
It is the old Nizkor gang at work again.

	~~~~END~~~~

Again- Canadian tax payers- do you wish to subsidize Fag Ken McVay?
This disgusting filth's picture is at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
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ZYD Ritual Murder of Children/Ritual Morder der Kinder - Documented

On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:44:15 -0400, in alt.politics.nationalism.white 
"Whip"
 wrote:

"JEWISH RITUAL MURDERS" IN RUSSIA
FIVE CHILDREN FOUND DEAD IN PIT;
BLOOD DRAINED FROM BODIES!
CORPSES WERE SET ON FIRE TO HIDE BLOOD DRAINING

On April 16, 2005, just a week before the beginning the the Jewish Passover
on April 23, five children, Muslim and Christian, "disappeared" in the
Russian Siberian city of Krasnoyarsk.  Their burnt bodies have been found 
in
a sewage pit.

A popular Russian daily, Komsomolskaya Pravda, writes today that many
Russians in the city are convinced that the children were ritually murdered
by local Jews who later burnt their bodies to conceal the crime and prevent
experts to find in the bodies the lack of blood which is used by Hasidic
Jews for ritual purposes.

Few people in the city believe that the Jewish murderers ever come to trial
and that the murders would be properly clarified by police investigaters in
present-day new democratic Russia.

Vladimir Salamatov, the lawyer representing the interests of the parents of
the murdered children told the paper that 5 independent experts confirmed
the lack of hemoglobine (red substance in human blood) in all burnt bodies.

"I am sure that it was a ritual murder with exsanguination", he said.

Evgeny Kazantsev, the Head of Untraditional Religious Groups Monitoring
Center, agrees that it was a ritual murder.

A Moscow independent researcher and journalist, Mikhail Nazarov, stresses
that there is a large Jewish community in Krasnoyarsk and that the
authorities do their best to conceal this ritual murder committed by the
Jews. A witness reported seeing the bodies of the children thrown intact in
the pit as proscribed by the Jewish ritual and then somebody burnt then to
conceal ritual wounds in specific places of the bodies made for the
exsanguination, Mr nazarov said.

The researcher reminded of a well-known case of the ritual murder of a
10-year-old Christian child, Andyusha Yushchinsky in Kiev in 1913. A local
Jewish community activist, Beilis, was arrested and accused of the murder
and later released by a court because of insufficient evidence, with a 
minor
overweight among the jury.

"The murder of Andryusha Yushchinsky also took place few day before the
Jewish Passover, his body was also exsanguinated and thrown off without
burial", Mr Nazarov said.

"And Beilis belonged to the same Lubavichi Hasidic branch of Judaism as the
present Chief Rabbi of Russia Berl Lazar who ... copies American gangstes
practises (he was born in the US) and acts with support of Jewish 
oligarchs,
the Kransnoyarsk Chief Rabbi Wagner and the Jewish Governor of the
Krasnoyarsk Territory Khloponin", Mr. Nazarov added in his interview with
the Moscow paper.

http://krsk.kp.ru/2006/09/20/doc137434/



On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:06:27 -0600, Frank Arthur  wrote:

>A well researched and documented article,deserving re-posting worldwide.

>On 4 Apr 2007 21:01:42 -0700, in alt.politics.nationalism.white "dsfkfnir
>lfdsjsafd"  wrote:

>BIBLIOGRAPHY OF WORKS SUPPORTING
>THE BLOOD ACCUSATION.

>Acta Sanctorum. This is the work of the Bollandists, who were a band
>of Jesuits devoting themselves to historical record between 1643 and
>1883. The volumes in which they recorded various ritual murders by
>Jews are mainly those written in the seventeenth century.

> Histoire Universelle de l'Englise Catholique, by Abbe Rohrbacher
>(Gaume et Freres, 1845).

> Lives of the Saints, by Alban Butler.

> Dizionario Ecclesiastico, Vol. 64-66 (Semenario Peo-scire, Venice,
>1853-4).

> Annales Ecclesiastici, ab 1198, p. 568, by O. Raynaldus, 1753. These
>two deal with the case of St. Simon of Trent.

> Catholic Bulletin, August, 1916 (published at Dublin, M. H. Gill &
>Sons).

> Cahiers Romains, Catholic publication in Rome, 29th November, 1913.

> Acts and Monuments of the Church, by John Foxe, 1563.

> A Short Demurrer to the Jewes long discontinued Remitter into
>England, by William Prynne, 1656.

> Les Juifs devant l'Eglise et l' Histoire, by Rev. Father Constant.

> Meine Antworten an die Rabbiner: Funf Briefe uber den Talmudismus und
>das Blut-Ritual der Juden, by August Rohling (1883), Canon of Prague
>Cathedral.

> La France Juive, by Edouard Drumont. Obtainable from M. Petit, 12 rue
>Laugier, Paris 17. 70 francs.

> Le Juif, le Judaisme et la Judaisation des Peuples Chretiens, by
>Gougenot des Mousseaux, Chevalier, 1886. The whole of Chapter VI is
>devoted to Ritual Murders.

> Le Mystère du Sang chez les Juifs de tous les Temps, by Henri
>Desportes, 1889 (Savine).

> Le Crime Rituel chez les Juifs, by A. Monniot, 1914. Obtainable from
>M. Petit, 12 rue Laugier, Paris 17. 10 francs. An excellent general
>guide to the whole subject, with preface by Edouard Drumont. It was
>Drumont who exposed the Jewish Panama scandals.

> Der Ritual Mord bei den Juden, by Eugen Brandt.

> Ritual Morde, by Ottokar Stauf von der March (Hammer Verlag).

> Judische Moral und Blut Mysterium, by A. Fern, 1927.

> Der Ritual Mord, by G. Utikal. This book is recommended by the Reich
>Office for the Promotion of German Literature as "a truly national
>representation of Jewish Ritual Murder."

> Das Blut in Judischen Schriftum, by Dr. Bischoff, 1929.

> Der Stürmer, Special Ritual Murder Issue, dated May, 1934, Nuremburg.
>The reader should not be prejudiced by the Jewish campaign of hate
>against the editor of Der Stürmer. The Ritual Murder issue is a
>valuable historical record.

> The Jew, the Gypsy, and El Islam, by Sir Richard Burton, edited by W.
>H. Wilkins (Hutchinson, 1898).

> Isabella of Spain, by W. T. Walsh, 1931 (Sheed & Ward), pp. 125,
>439-468, and 628.
>References to other authorities in particular cases of Ritual Murder
>are made in the text when describing these cases.

>To the above list should be added a recent work intended to clear the
>Jews from the Blood Accusation, but which, at least in my own opinion,
>appears to support it: -- The Ritual Murder Libel and the Jews, by C.
>Roth (Woburn Press, 1935)


From: "9/11 Wasn't Real" 
Subject: 2000 years of jewish ritual murder
Date: 7 Mar 2007 07:40:31 -0800


The earliest of historians, Herodotus, informs us about the Hebrew
cult of human sacrifice. He writes:

"The Hebrews sacrificed humans to their God Moloch." (Herodotus, Vol.
II, p. 45)

The known ritual murders that have been passed down through writings
since before the time of Christ until today are:

169 B.C. -- "King Antiochus Epiphanes of Syria, during the plundering
of the Temple of Jerusalem, found a Greek lying on a bed in a secret
chamber. He begged the King to rescue him. When he began to beg, the
attendants told him that a secret law commanded the Jews to sacrifice
human beings at a certain time annually. They therefore searched for a
stranger which they could get in their power. They fattened him, led
him into the woods, sacrificed him, ate some of his flesh, drank some
of his blood, and threw the remains of his body into a
ditch." (Josephus, Jewish historian, Contra Apionem)

418 A.D. -- Baronius reports the crucifixion of a boy by the Jews at
Imm, between Aleppo and Antioch.

419 A.D. -- In the Syrian district of Imnestar, between Chalcis and
Antioch, the Jews tied a Christian boy to a cross on a holiday and
flogged him to death. (Socrat)

425 A.D. -- Baronius reports the crucifixion of a boy.

614 A.D. -- After the conquest of Jerusalem, the Jews purchased, for a
small amount of money, 90,000 prisoners from the Persian King Chosros
II and murdered them all in the most disgusting ways. (Cluverius,
Epitome his. p. 386)

1071 A.D. -- Several Jews from Blois crucified a child during the
Easter celebration, put his body into a sack and threw it into the
Loire. Count Theobald had the guilty ones burned alive. (Robert of
Mons, Mon. Germ. hist. Script VI 520)

1144 A.D. -- In Norwich, during Passover, 12-year-old St. William was
tied by the local Jews, hanged from a cross, and his blood drained
>from a wound in his side. The Jews hid the corpse in the nearby woods.
They were surprised by a local citizen, Eilverdus, who was bribed with
money to keep quiet. Despite this the crime still became notorious.
(Acta sancta, III March, Vol., p. 590)

1160 A.D. -- The Jews of Gloucester crucified a child (Mons Germ.
hist. Script 520)

1179 A.D. -- In Pontoise, on March 25th before Passover, the Jews
butchered and drained St. Richard's body of blood. Due to this, the
Jews were expelled from France. (Rob. of Turn., Rig.u.Guillel. Amor.)

1181 A.D. -- In London, around Easter, near the church of St. Edmund,
the Jews murdered a child by the name of Roertus. (Acta sanct, III
March Vol., 591)

1181 A.D. -- In Saragossa, the Jews murdered a child named Dominico.
(Blanca Hispania illustrata, tom. III, p. 657)

1191 A.D. -- The Jews of Braisme crucified a Christian who had accused
them of robbery and murder, after they had previously dragged him
through the town. Due to this King Philip Augustus, who had personally
come to Braisme, burned eighty of them. (rigordus, Hist. Gall.)

1220 A.D. -- In Weissenburg, in Alsace, on the 29th of June, the Jews
murdered a boy, St. Heinrich. (Murer, Helvetia sancta.)

1225 A.D. -- In Munich a woman, enticed by Jewish gold, stole a small
child from her neighbor. The Jews drained the blood from the child.
Caught in her second attempt, the criminal was handed over to the
courts. (Meichelbeck, Hist. Bavariae II. 94)

1235 A.D. -- the Jews committed the same crime on December 1st in
Erfut. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang, 66)

1236 A.D. -- In Hagenau in Alsace, three Christian boys from the
region of Fulda were attacked by the Jews in a mill during the night
and killed in order to obtain their blood. (Trithemius; Chronicle of
Albert of Strassburg)

1239 A.D. -- A general uprising in London because of a murder
committed secretly by the Jews. (Matthew v. Paris, Grande Chron.)

1240 A.D. -- In Norwich the Jews circumcised a Christian child and
kept him hidden in the ghetto in order to crucify him later. After a
long search, the father found his child and reported it to the Bishop
Wilhelm of Rete. (Matthew v. Paris, op. cit. V. 39)

1244 A.D. -- In St. Benedict's churchyard in London, the corpse of a
boy was found which bore cuts and scratches and, in several places,
Hebrew characters. He had been tortured and killed; and his blood had
been drained. Baptized Jews, forced to interpret the Hebrew signs,
found the name of the child's parents and read that the child had been
sold to the Jews when it was very young. Distinguished Jews left the
city in secret. The Catholic Church venerated the Martyr under the
name of St. Paul.

1250 A.D. -- The Jews of Saragossa adopted the horrible dogma that
everyone who deliverd a Christian child for sacrifice would be freed
>from all taxes and debts. In June, 1250, Moses Albay-Huzet (Also
called Albajucetto) delivered the 7-year-old Dominico del Val to the
Jews for crucifixion. (Johan. a Lent, Schedias, hist. de pseudomes,
judæorum, p. 33)

1255 A.D. -- At Lincoln, in England, on Peter and Paul's Day, 8-year-
old St. Hugh was stolen by the local Jews, hidden, and later
crucified. The Jews beat him with rods for so long that he almost lost
all his blood. (Acta santa 6 July 494)

1257 A.D. --So that they could commit their annual sacrifice, the Jews
of London butchered a Christian child. (Cluvirius, epitome
historiarum, p. 541. col I)

1260 A.D. -- The Jews of Weissenburg killed a child (Annal.
Colmariens)1261 A.D. --In Pforzheim a 7-year-old girl who had been
delivered to the Jews, was laid on a linen cloth and stabbed on her
limbs in order to soak the cloth with blood. Afterwards the corpse was
thrown into the river. (Thomas, Cantipratanus, de ratione Vitæ.)

1279 A.D. --The most respectable Jews of London crucified a Christian
child on April 2nd. (Florent de Worcester, Chron. 222)
1279 A.D. -- The crucifixion of a Christian child at Northampton after
unheard-of tortures. (Henri Desportes Le mystere du sang, 67)

1282 A.D. -- In Munich the Jews purchased a small boy and stabbed him
all over his body. (Rader., Bavar. sancta I. Bd. p. 315)

1283 A.D. -- A child was sold by his nurse to the Jews of Mainz , who
killed it. (Baroerus ad annum No. 61. Annalen von Colmar)

1286 A.D. -- In Munich the Jews martyred two boys. The wooden
synagogue was encircled with fire and 180 Jews burnt to death. (Murer,
Helvetia sancta.)

1286 A.D. -- In April, at Oberwesel on the Rhine, 14-year-old St.
Werner was slowly tortured to death by the Jews over a period of 3
days. (Act. sct. II. Bd. b. Apr. p. 697 bis 740.)

1287 A.D. -- The Jews in Bern kidnapped St. Rudolf at the Passover,
horribly tortured the child and finally slit his throat. (Hein, Murer,
Helvetia sancta.)

1292 A.D. -- In Colmar, the Jews killed a boy. (Ann. Colm., II, 30)

1293 A.D. -- In Krems, the Jews sacrificed a child. Two of the
murderers were punished; the others saved themselves through the power
of gold. (Monum. XI, 658)

1294 A.D. --In Bern, the Jews murdered a child again. (Ann Colm., II,
32; Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang, p. 70)

1302 A.D. -- In Reneken the same crime. (Ann. Colm. II, 32)

1303 A.D. -- At Weissensee in Thuringen the young student Conrad, the
son of a soldier, was killed at Easter. His muscles were cut to pieces
and his veins were opened in order to drain all his blood.

1305 A.D. -- In Prague, around Easter, a Christian, who was forced by
poverty to work for the Jews, was nailed to a cross; while naked, he
was beaten with rods and spat on in the face. (Tentzel)

1320 A.D. -- In Puy, a choirboy of the local church was sacrificed.

1321 A.D. --In Annecy a young priest was killed. The Jews were
expelled from the town by a decree of King Phillip V. (Denis de Saint-
Mart.)

1331 A.D. -- At Uberlingen in present-day Baden the Jews threw the son
of a citizen named Frey into a well. The incisions found later on the
body proved that previous to this his blood had been drained. (Joh.
Vitoduran, Chronik.)

1338 A.D. - The Jews butchered a noble from Franconia in Munich. His
brother prepared a veritable bloodbath for the Jews. (Henri Desport)

1345 A.D. -- In Munich, the Jews opened the veins of a little boy
Heinrich, and stabbed him more than 60 times. The church canonized
Heinrich. (Rad. Bav. sct. II p. 333)

1347 A.D. -- In Messina a child was crucified on Good Friday. (Henri
Desport)

1349 A.D. --The Jews wanted to attack and kill Christians assembled in
their church at Rothenburg. A Jew's maidservant exposed the Jewish
murder plot, and the Christians stormed out of their church and killed
all the Jews. (Ziegler, Schauplatz p. 396 col. 1,2. Eisenmenger,
entdecktes Judentum II, p. 219)

1350 A.D. --The boy Johannes, a student of the monastic school of St.
Sigbert in Cologne, drew his last breath after being stabbed by local
Jews. (Acta sancta., aus den Kirchenakten v. Koln.)

1380 A.D. -- At Hagenbach in Swabia several Jews were surprised while
butchering a Christian child. (Martin Crusius, Yearbook of Swabia,
Part III, Book V)

1401 A.D. --At Diessenhofen in Switzerland (near Schaffhausen), 4-year-
old Conrad Lory was murdered. His blood was said to have been sold by
the groom Johann Zahn for 3 florins to the Jew Michael Vitelman. (Acta
sancta.)

1407 A.D. --The Jews were expelled from Switzerland because of a
similar crime in the same region. (ibid.)

1410 A.D. -- In Thuringia the Jews were driven out because of ritual
murder that was discovered. (Boll. II, April 838. Baronius 31)

1429 A.D. -- At Ravensburg in Wurttemberg, Ludwig van Bruck, a
Christian boy from Switzerland who was studying in the town and living
among the Jews, was martyred by 3 Jews amid numerous tortures and
sexual violations. This happened during a big Jewish festival
(Passover) between Easter and Whitsun. (Baron. 31, Acta sancta. III.
Bd. des April p. 978)

1440 A.D. -- A Jewish doctor in Pavia, Simon of Ancona, beheaded a
four- year-old child which was stolen and brought to him by a
degenerate Christian. The crime became notorious when a dog jumped out
of a window into the street with the child's head. The murderer
escaped. (Alphonsus Spina, de bello Judæorum lib. III. confid. 7.)

1452 A.D. -- In Savona, several Jews killed a 2-year-old Christian
child. They pierced his whole body and collected the blood in the
vessel they used for the circumcision of their children. the Jews
dripped small pieces of sliced fruit into the blood and enjoyed a meal
of them. (Alphonsus Spina, de bello Judæorum lib. III, confid. 7.)

1453 A.D. -- In Breslau, the Jews stole a child, fattened him and put
him in a barrel lined with nails, which they rolled back and forth in
order to draw the child's blood. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang,
75)

1454 A.D. -- On the estates of Louis of Almanza in Castile, two Jews
killed a Christian boy. They tore out his heart and burned it; threw
the ashes into wine which they drank with their co-religionists. By
spending considerable sums they succeeded in delaying the trial, since
two of the three lawyers were of Jewish descent. Thereafter the Jews
were banished from Spain. (Alphonsus Spina, de bello Judæorum)

1462 A.D. -- In a birchwood at Rinn near Innsbruck the boy Andreas
Oxner was sold to the Jews and sacrificed. The church canonized him. A
chapel called "Zum Judenstein" ('To the Jews' Rock') was built. (Acta
sancta., III. July Vol I. 472)

1468 A.D. -- At Sepulveda, in Old Castile, the Jews crucified a
Christian woman on Good Friday upon the order of the Rabbi Solomon
Pecho. (Did. de Colm. Gesch. v. Seg.)

1470 A.D. --In Baden the Jews were convicted of the murder of a
Christian child. (Tho. Patr. Barbar.)

1475 A.D. -- In Trent on March 23rd (Maundy Thursday) before Passover,
the Jews sacrificed a 29-month-old baby, St. Simon.

1476 A.D. -- The Jews in Regensburg murdered six children. The judge,
in the underground vault of a Jew named Josfol, found the remains of
the murdered victims as well as a stone bowl speckled with blood on a
kind of altar. (Raderus Bavaria sancta Band III, 174)

1480 A.D. -- In Treviso, a crime similar to the one in Trent was
committed: the murder of the canonized Sebastiano of Porto-Buffole
>from Bergamo. The Jews drained his blood. (H. Desportes, Le mystere du
sang 80)

1480 A.D. -- At Motta in Venice the Jews killed a child at Easter.
(Acta sancta I. Bd d. April 3)

1485 A.D. -- In Vecenza, the Jews butchered St. Laurentius. (Pope
Benedict XIV Bull. Beatus Andreas)

1490 A.D. -- At Guardia, near Toledo, the Jews crucified a child.
(Acta sancta I. Bd. d. April 3)

1494 A.D. -- At Tyrnau in Hungary, 12 Jews seized a Christian boy,
opened his veins, and carefully collected his blood. They drank some
of it and preserved the rest for their co-religionists. (Banfin Fasti,
ungar. br. III. Dec. 5)

1503 A.D. -- In Langendenzlingen a father handed his 4-year-old child
over to two Jews from Waldkirchen in Baden for 10 florins under the
condition that he would be returned alive after a small amount of
blood had been drained. However, they drained so much blood from the
child that it died. (Acta sancta. II Bd. des April p. 839: Dr. Joh.
Eck, Judebbuchlien)

1505 A.D. -- A crime, similar to the one in Langendenzlingen in 1503,
was attempted at Budweis in Bohemia. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du
sang. 81)

1509 A.D -- Several Jews profaned the host brought from a sanctuary
dealer and murdered several Christian children. (Cluverius, Epitome
hist. etc. p. 579)

1509 A.D. --The Jews in Bosingen (Hungary) kidnapped the child of a
wheelwright, dragged him to the cellar, tortured him horribly, opened
all his veins and sucked out the blood with quills. Afterwards they
threw his body in a hedge, which the Jews admitted after repeated
denials. (Ziegler Schonplatz p. 588, col. 1,2)

1510 A.D. -- In Berlin, the Jews Salomon, Jacob, Aaron, Levi Isaac,
Rabbi Mosch and the butcher Jacob were accused of buying a three- or
four-year-old Christian boy for 10 florins from a stranger, laying him
on a table in a cellar, and puncturing him with needles in the large
blood-rich veins until he was finally slaughtered by the butcher
Jacob. An enormous trial began, and eventually a hundred Jews were
locked in the Berlin prison. They partially admitted to having bought
Christian children from strangers, stabbing them, draining their
blood, and drinking the blood in case of illness or preserving it with
tomatoes, ginger, and honey. No fewer than 41 of the accused Jews were
sentenced to death-by-burning after their confession. All the other
Jews were banished from the Mark of Brandenburg. (Richard Mun: 'The
Jews in Berlin')

1520 A.D. -- The Jews in Hungary repeated the crime of 1494 by
murdering a Christian child in Tyrnau and Biring, and draining its
blood. (Acta sancta II. Bd. d. April p. 839)

1525 A.D. -- A ritual murder in Budapest caused a widespread anti-
Semitic movement among the population. In this year the Jews were
expelled from Hungary (Henry Desportes, Le mystere du sang 81)

1540 A.D. -- At Sappenfeld in Bavaria, 4-year-old michael Pisenharter
was kidnapped from his father before Easter and taken to Titting
(North of Ingolstadt), where he suffered the most horrible tortures
for three days, his veins were opened and his blood drained. The
corpse showed signs of a crucifixion. The blood was found in Posingen.
(Raderus, Bavaria sancta. III. Bd. 176f)

1547 A.D. -- At Rava in Poland 2 Jews stole a tailor's boy named
Michael and crucified him. (Acta sancta II. Bd. April p. 839)

1569 A.D. --In Vitov (Poland) Johann, the 2-year-old son of the widow
Kozmianina, was savagely murdered by Jacob, a Jew of Leipzig. (Acta
sancta ebenda.)

1571 A.D. -- M.A. Bradaginus was butchered by the Jews. (Seb. Munster,
Cosmographia)

1571 A.D. -- Joachim II, Elector of Brandenburg, was poisoned by a Jew
with whom he had a trusting association. (Scheidanus X. Buch. seiner
Hist. pag. 60)

1573 A.D. -- In Berlin a child who had been purchased from a beggar
was tortured to death by a Jew. (Sartorious p. 53)

1574 A.D. -- At Punia in Latvia, the Jew Joachim Smierlowitz killed a
7- year-old girl called Elizabeth shortly before Passover. An
inscription and a painting in the Chapel of the Holy Cross at Wilna
proves that the child's blood was mixed with flour which was used in
the preparation of Easter cakes. At about this time a Christian boy in
Zglobice was stolen and taken to Tarnow, where another Christian boy
was found in the hands of the Jews under suspicious circumstances:
both were freed in time. (Act. sancta II. Bd. d. April p. 839)

1575 A.D. --The Jews killed a child, Michael of Jacobi. (Desportes)
1586 A.D. --In a series of cases Christian children were snatched away
>from their parents and killed; by breaking down these crimes, Rupert
traced them back to the Jews. (Brouver Trier'schen Ann. v. J. 1856)

1592 A.D. -- At Wilna, a 7-year-old Christian boy, Simon, was horribly
tortured to death by the Jews. More than 170 wounds, made by knives
and scissors, were found on his body, besides the numerous cuts under
his finger- and toe-nails. (Acta sancta III. Bd. des Juli)

1595 A.D. -- At Costyn in Posen a child was tortured to death by the
Jews. (Acta sancta 389)

1597 A.D. -- In Szydlov the blood of a child was used in the
consecration of a new synagogue. They eyelids, neck, veins, limbs, and
even the sexual organs of the child showed countless punctures. (Acta
sancta, II Bd. des April)

1598 A.D. -- In the village of Wodznick, in the Polish province of
Podolia, the 4-year-old Roman Catholic son of a farmer was stolen by
two young Jews and butchered four days before the Jewish Passover by
the most horrible tortures in which the most respected Jews of the
community took part. (Acta sancta, II Band des April 835)

1650 A.D. -- At Kaaden in Steiermark, 5½-year-old Mathias
Tillich was butchered by a Jew on March 11th. (Tentzel)

1655 A.D. -- At Tunguch in Lower Germany the Jews murdered a Christian
child for their Easter celebration. (Tentzel, monatl. Unterred. v.
Juli 1693 p. 553)

1665 A.D. --In Vienna the Jews butchered a woman on the 12th of May in
the most dreadful way. The corpse was found in a pond in a sack
weighted with stones. It was completely covered with wounds,
decapitated and the legs were cut off below the knees. (H.A. von
Ziegler, Tagl. Schaupl. p. 553)

1669 A.D. -- On the way from Metz to Boulay, near the village of
Glatigny, on Sept. 22nd, a 3-year-old child was stolen from his mother
by the Jew Raphael Levy. He was horribly butchered. His body was found
viciously mutilated. The murderer was burned alive on Jan. 17th in
1670. (Abrege du proces fait aux Juifs de Metz, ebd. 1670)

1675 A.D. -- At Miess in Bohemia a 4-year-old Christian child was
murdered by the Jews on March 12th. (Acta sancta II. Bd. des April)

1684 A.D. -- In the village of Grodno, Minsk government in Russia, the
Jew Schulka stole the 6-year-old Christian boy Gabriel and carried him
to Bialystock where, in the presence of several Jews, he was tortured
to death and his blood drained. (Records of the magistrate at
Zabludvo)

1753 A.D. -- On Good Friday, the 20th of April, in a village near Kiev
(Russia), the 3½-year-old son of the nobleman Studzinski was kidnapped
by the Jews, hidden in a tavern until the end of the Sabbath, and then
monstrously sacrificed with the help of the Rabbi Schmaja. The blood
was poured into several bottles. (Criminal Register of the City Court
of Kiev)

1764 A.D. --The 10-year-old son of Johann Balla, who had disappeared
on the 19th of June from Orkul (Hungary), was found in a neighboring
wood covered with many wounds. (Tisza-Eslar, von einem ungarischen
Ubgeordneten 108)

1791 A.D. -- On the 21st of February, the corpse of 13-year-old
Andreas Takals, who lived with a Jew named Abraham, was found outside
a village near Tasnad (Siebenburgen). The blood had been drained from
him by severing his jugular vein. (Ger.-Akt i.d. Archiv. v. Zilah.)

1791 A.D. -- At the same time two blood murders were reported at
Holleschau (Moravia) and at Woplawicz in the District of Duplin.
(Tisza-Eslar, v.e. ungar. Abgeord.)

1791 A.D. -- During the reign of Sultan Selim III, the Jews in Pera
killed a young Greek by hanging him from a tree by his legs. (Henri
Desportes)

1803 A.D. -- On March 10th, the 72-year-old Jew Hirsch from Sugenheim
seized a 2-year-old child between Ullstadt and Lengenfeld in Buchof
near Nuremberg. Several days later the Jew denied having been in
Buchhof at all on March 10th. The father of the child, who wanted to
prove the contrary with witnesses, was rebuffed in court with threats
and insults. On the 12th day the child was found dead, his tongue
sliced and his mouth full of blood. The Jews besieged the district
governor of Newstadt at that time until the matter turned out to their
satisfaction. The father was forced under threats to sign a protocol,
to which it attested that the child, still warm when he was found, had
frozen to death. (Friedr. Oertel, "Was glauben die Juden?" Bamberg,
1823)

1804 A.D. -- In Grafenberg near Nuremberg a 2 to 3-year-old boy was
kidnapped by an old Jew from Ermreuth by the name of Bausoh. Soldiers
hurried to prevent the crime after hearing the child's scream. (Dr. J.
W. Chillany)

1810 A.D. -- Among the records of the Damascus trial a letter exists
>from John Barker, ex-consul of Aleppo, which speaks of a poor
Christian who suddenly disappeared from Aleppo. The Hebrew Raphael of
Ancona was charged with having butchered her and draining all of her
blood. (A. Laurent. Affaires de Syrie)

1812 A.D. --On the island Corfu in October three Jews who had
strangled a child were condemned to death. Some time later, the child
of a Greek, called Riga, was stolen and killed by the Jews. (Achille
Laurent, Affaires de Syrie)

1817 A.D. -- The Indictment of the murder committed in this year
against the little girl Marianna Adamoviez, was quashed due to a lapse
of time.

1823 A.D. -- On the 22nd of April, at Velisch in the Russian
government of Vitebsk, the 3½- year-old son of the invalid Jemelian
Ivanov was stolen, tortured to death, and his blood drained. Despite a
great deal of statements by witnesses charging the Jews, the trial was
suddenly stopped. (Pavlikovsky, ebenda.)

1824 A.D. -- In Beirut the interpreter Fatch-allah-Seyegh was murdered
by his Jewish landlord, as the investigation established, for ritual
purposes.

1826 A.D. -- In Warsaw a murdered 5-year-old boy was found whose body
had more than a hundred wounds showing that his blood had been
drained. The whole of Warsaw was in a state of insurrection;
everywhere the Jews protested their innocence without having been
accused. The depositions made to the courts, together with the medical
evidence, were removed from the documents. (Pavlikovski, wie oben p.
282)

1827 A.D. -- At Vilna in Russia the stabbed corpse of a farmer's
child, Ossib Petrovicz, was found. According to the testimony of the
16-year-old shepherd Zulovski, he was kidnapped by the Jews. (Nach
einer Mitteilung des gouvernement Vilna.)
1829 A.D. -- In Turin the wife of the merchant Antoine Gervalon was
kidnapped from her husband. In the cellar she was prepared for her
sacrifice by two rabbis. With her last bit of strength she answered
her husband who was going through the Jewish quarter with several
soldiers, calling her name aloud. Thus, she was freed. However, the
Jews managed to hush up the incident with money. (Auszug aus einem
Briefe des Barons von Kalte )
1831 A.D. -- Killing of the daughter of a corporal of the Guard in St.
Petersburg. Four judges recognized it as a blood murder, while a fifth
doubted it. (Desportes)

1834 A.D. -- According to the Testimony of Jewess Ben Nound who
converted to Christianity, an old Gentile man in Tripoli was tied up
by 4 or 5 Jews and hanged from an orange tree by his toes. At the
moment when the old man was close to death the Jews cut his throat
with a butcher knife and let the body hang until all the blood had
been collected into a bowl. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang. 91)

1839 A.D. -- On the Island of Rhodes, and 8-year-old merchant's boy,
who was delivering eggs to some Jews, did not return. Jewish money
power took effect, and the court proceedings were delayed and finally
suppressed. (Henri Desportes, Le mystere du sang. 92)

1839 A.D. -- In Damascus the customs office discovered a Jew carrying
a bottle of blood. The Jew offered 10,000 piastres in order to hush up
the affair. (cf. Prozess bei A. Laurent, op. cit. S. 301)

1843 A.D. -- Murders of Christian children by the Jews on Rhodes,
Corfu and elsewhere. (Famont L'Egypte sous Mehemet Ali, Paris, 1843)

1875 A.D. -- At Zboro, in the county of Saros in Hungary, several Jews
attacked the 16-year-old servant girl Anna Zampa in the house of her
master, Horowitz. The knife was already raised above her when a
coachman accidentally intervened, thus saving her. The court
President, Bartholomaus Winkler, who was in debt to the Jews, was
afraid to bring the criminals to justice.

1877 A.D. -- In the village of Szalaacs, in the country of Bihar
(Hungary), Josef Klee's 6-year-old niece, Theresia Szaabo, and his 9-
year-old nephew, Peter Szaabo, were murdered by the Jews. However, a
Jewish doctor held the inquest, who declared the children were not
murdered, thus ending the affair. (M. Onody, ebenda.)

1879 A.D. -- In Budapest, before the Purim feast, a young servant girl
in the Jewish Quarter was put to sleep with a drink. 24 hours after
the feast, she woke up so weak she could hardly walk. On her right
forearm, her left thigh, and her body below the navel she discovered
red circular wounds like spots of blood, with small openings in the
center. Blood had been drained from her. (M. Onody, ebenda.)

1879 A.D. -- At Kutais in the Caucasus, 4 Jewish image sellers killed
a 6- year-old girl. Between her fingers had been cut with a knife; on
her legs, a little above the calf, horizontal incisions had been made,
and there was not one drop of blood in her veins. With the aid of the
powerful Jews of Russia the guilty ones escaped punishment.
(Univers.)

1881 A.D. --At Kaschau in Hungary the daughter of a certain Josef
Koczis disappeared. Two weeks later the body was found in a well
completely emptied of blood. (M. Onody, Tisza-Eszlar)

1881 A.D. -- In Steinamanger the 8-year-old granddaughter of a
coachman who worked for the Jews disappeared. (M. Onody, evenda.)

1881 A.D. -- In Alexandria the Jews again killed a Christian child
called Evangelio Fornoraki. The parents of the strangled child,
discovered on the sea- shore, allowed a post-mortem examination which
lasted several days and was the cause of riots against the Jews. The
Baruch family, prime suspects in the murder, were arrested, but later
released. (Civita cattolica, von des. 1881)

1881 A.D. -- In the Galician town of Lutscha, the Polish maid servant
Franziska Muich, who worked for the Jewish tavern-keeper Moses Ritter,
and had been raped by him, was murdered by Moses and his wife, Gittel
Ritter, according to the testimony of the farmer Mariell Stochlinski.
(Otto Glogau, der Kulturk. Heft. 128. 15. Febr. 1886)

1882 A.D. -- At Tisza-Eszlar, shortly before the Jewish Passover, the
14- year-old Christian girl Esther Solymosi disappeared. Since the
girl was last seen nearby the synagogue, suspicion was directed
immediately on the Jews. The two sons of the temple-servant Josef
Scharf, 5-year-old Samuel and the 14-year- old Moritz, accused their
father and stated that Esther was led into the Temple and butchered
there. The corpse of the girl was never found.

1882 A.D. -- At Galata, the ghetto of Constantinople, a child was
enticed into a Jewish house where more than 20 people saw her go in.
On the following day a corpse was found in the Golden Horn causing a
great agitation among the Christian and Moslem population.

1882 A.D. -- A short time later another very similar case transpired
in Galata. Serious, a distinguished lawyer of the Greek community,
sent a petition to the representatives of all the Christian European
powers at Constantinople so that justice might be done: but the Jews
bribed the Turkish police, who allowed certain documents in the case
to disappear. Bribed doctors declared the mother of the kidnapped and
murdered child to be mentally deranged.

1883 A.D. -- Once more a ritual murder occurred in Galata. The police,
bribed with Jewish money, prevented an investigation. The newspaper
Der Stamboul, which strongly spoke out against the guilty ones, was
suppressed. This suppression cost the Jews 140,000 francs.

1884 A.D. -- At Sturz (West Prussia) the dismembered body of 14-year-
old Onophrius Cybulla was found one January morning under a bridge.
According to the doctor's opinion, the dismemberments showed great
expertise and dexterity in the use of the knife. Although the murdered
boy had been strong and plethoric, the dead body was completely
bloodless. Immediately suspicion fell on various Jews, and during the
investigation some very troublesome facts emerged. These, however,
were not considered sufficient and the arrested Jews were released.
(Otto Glagau, der Kulturki, Heft 119. 15. Mai 1885)

1885 A.D. -- At Mit-Kamar in Egypt a young Copt was butchered for the
Easter celebrations.

1888 A.D. -- At Breslau in July, a crime was committed by Max
Bernstein, a 24-year-old Rabbinical candidate at the Talmudic college,
against a 7-year-old boy, Severin Hacke, whom Bernstein had enticed
into his room. Bernstein withdrew blood from the boy's sex organ.
After the judge's verdict Bernstein confessed: "The Bible and the
Talmud teach that the gravest of sins can only be atoned for through
innocent blood." Therefore, he had withdrawn blood from the boy. The
Jews recognized the danger and declared Bernstein to be a 'religious
maniac.'

1891 A.D. -- Murder of a boy at Xanten, on the Rhine. The 5-year-old
robust boy of the Catholic cabinet-maker, Hegemann, was found in the
evening at 6 o'clock on June 29th, by the maid Dora Moll, in the cow
shed of the town councilor Kuppers, with his legs spread apart, laying
on his side with a circular formed ritual cut, carried out by a
skilled hand, and bled white. The boy was already missed at 10:30 in
the morning. He was seen by 3 witnesses being pulled into the house of
the Jewish butcher Buschoff.

1899 A.D. -- On March 26th the single 19-year-old seamstress, Agnes
Kurza, was slaughtered by the hand of the Jewish butcher Leopold
Hilsner. The corpse was found bloodless. The murderer was sentenced to
death by the court of Kuttenberg.

1900 A.D. -- At Konitz (West Prussia) on the 11th of March 1900, the
18- year-old college freshman, Ernst Winter, was bestially murdered.
Two days later pieces of his dismembered body were fished out of the
Monschsee; almost five days later, on April 15th, the first Easter
holy day, his head was found by children playing in the bushes. The
corpse was completely bloodless. Winter was ritually murdered. The
murder was carried out in the cellar of the Jewish Butcher, Moritz
Levi, after the victim had been lured there by a young Jewess. On the
day of the murder, a large number of foreign Jews were in Konitz who
departed the next day without any plausible reason being given for
their visit. Among them were the butchers Haller from Tuchel,
Hamburger from Schlochau, Eisenstedt from Prechlau and Rosenbaum from
Ezersk. The Konitz butcher Heimann disappeared shortly after the
murder.

1911 A.D. -- The 13-year-old schoolboy, Andrei Youshchinsky was
murdered in Kiev on March 12th. After eight days, his corpse was found
in a brickyard completely slashed to pieces and bloodless. Suspicion
fell on the Jewish manager of the brickyard, Mendel Beiliss. The case
did not come to trial until two and a half years later (Sept. 29th to
Oct. 28th, 1913). In the intervening period numerous attempts were
made to lead the investigating officers on to the wrong track.
Meanwhile a large number of incriminating witnesses suffered sudden
and unnatural deaths; false accusations and confessions followed one
after another due to huge money bribes. Behind the accused lurking in
the shadows, was the figure of Faivel Schneerson of the Lubavitchers,
leader of the 'Zadiks' ('Saints') of the Chassidim sect, who was the
spiritual director of the murder. The trial ended with the release of
Beiliss, but at the same time the court established that the murder
had taken place inside the Jewish brickyard, which was the religious
center of the Kiev Jews, for the purpose of obtaining blood. Almost
all the prosecutors, witnesses, and authorities who had spoken out
against Judaism, later fell victim to the Bolshevik Terror.
(Ausfuhrliche Darstellungen des Prozeßes enthalten 'Hammer' Nr. 271,
273, 274, 275; Oktober bis Dezember 1913)

1926 A.D. -- The bodily remains of the children Hans and Erika Fehse
were found in a parcel on the public square in Breslau. The children
had been butchered. The corpses were bloodless. The genitals were
missing. The Jewish butcher was believed the culprit. He disappeared
without a trace.

1928 A.D. -- The college sophomore Helmut Daube was butchered on the
night of the 22nd-23rd of March, 1928. In the morning, the blood-
drained corpse lay in front of his parents home.

1929 A.D. -- The murder at Manau. The boy Karl Kessler was found
butchered and bloodless on March 17th, 1929, several days before
Passover.

1932 A.D.-- Martha Kaspar was butchered and dismembered at Paderhorn
on March 18th, 1932. The pieces of the corpse were drained of blood.
The Jew, Moritz Meyer, was convicted and received 15 years in prison.


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Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
collaborated with the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train

Mirelle


This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>public.

>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>> wrote:
>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>Book Review
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>$15.
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to
advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly
few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received
little
>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of
letters,
>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the
Nazis.

>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response.

>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists
and
>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's
Italy.
>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the
part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort,
however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for
instance, is
>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews
to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less
of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of
'nationality'
>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are
based on
>>>the same concept.

>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
of
>>>their threatened European brethren.

>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>Feb. 18, 1943:

>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
fact
>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)

>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
saw
>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
to
>>>keep it that way.

>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
option.
>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
not
>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
man
>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>own'
>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
a
>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).

>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.

>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
this
>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
to wear
>>>when examining Zionism.


# 5                           The Kastner Case
ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981

Introduction

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
that involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that
there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
own lives with the price of silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
for all Jews in Hungary.
While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
camps, the price...was not too high for me.

"...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

"Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

"As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
blood to achieve his political goal...
'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
(Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment."

Are the accusations against Kastner true?
According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
-88-
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Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
nord@powernetonline.com


Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
Date: 1997/07/12

The Kastner Case

Introduction

Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
and in greater detail.

Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
began.

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
3CR for anti-semitism.

It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
what Kastner was accused of.

This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.

The Accusations
----------------
Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
choice and I shall keep quiet.'

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine.
It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
group here'.

And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
p.26ö-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
and absurd'.

Are the accusations against Kastner true?

According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

The Verdict
------------
Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.

It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
can backfire on the censors themselves.

Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
mislead the Jews.
They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
hampering the deportation orders.

Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
Rescue train.

The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.

The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
expensively if honorably guided.

Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.

The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
task easier.

The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
chiefs.

It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
underground.

The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
the extermination plan of the killers ?

The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
annihilation.

The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
Jews.
Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.

When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
designated for death, on the other hand.
An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
already been wiped out from the book of the living.

One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
to evade this truth.

Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
quickly to another."

(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
1955).

Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
Jews.

This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
criminals.

Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.

In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)

Judge Halevi continues:

"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
negate the affidavit.

The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
criminal.

The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
declared in the affidavit.

The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
moment the good intention of good Becher'.

It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
criminal.
Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
n Nuremberg.

Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
his statements." (ibid)

Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
Israeli pounds as court costs.

In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.

Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
matter.

If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
pointed to much more than that.

But the story does not end there.

The Reaction
-------------
Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.

The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:

"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
1955)

In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:

"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).

*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
defense." (23 June 1955)

But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
Government of Israel.

As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
disclose." (23 June 1955)

Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
criminal libel.

As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
*Ma'ariv*:
"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
of our history!

At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
appeal filed.
What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
June 1955)

At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
268)

The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
leadership.

So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
But the story gets worse.

The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
rehabilitated'.

The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
'fully rehabilitated'.

The Majority Judgement
-------------------------
But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
'collaboration'.

In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
totally missing the point.

Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.

The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
Kastner.
They JOINED him.

Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
Chesin:

"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
tree'.
This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
aide in Budapest, protocol 465).

I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.

And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
Jewish community.
Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.

Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
leadership both from a moral and public point of view...

In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
coming danger....

Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)

n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.

The Minority Judgement
--------------------------
It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:

"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
judgements on the guilt of others....

an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
result.'

I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
to a claim of such good faith...

If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.

Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.

And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
at the same time helplessness and activity.
Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...

We can sum up with three facts:
A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
moment of occupation.

B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
murder.
This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
evidence for this.

C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.

And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
Silberg, 1957)

Conclusion
-----------
If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
advocate collaboration with the Nazis.

One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
relationships'.

But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.

The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.

It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.

Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.

Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
West Germany.

Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
fear of what might come out.

Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.

As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
'now dead'.

Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
secret service.
(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
admitted in court during the murder trial).

Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.

The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
not existed.
Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.

Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.

We shall go on to prove this in detail.
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!

>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:

This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH
made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public
their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!


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Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
collaborated with the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train

Mirelle


This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>public.

>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>> wrote:
>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>Book Review
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>$15.
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to
advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly
few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received
little
>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of
letters,
>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the
Nazis.

>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response.

>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists
and
>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's
Italy.
>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the
part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort,
however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for
instance, is
>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews
to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less
of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of
'nationality'
>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are
based on
>>>the same concept.

>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
of
>>>their threatened European brethren.

>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>Feb. 18, 1943:

>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
fact
>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)

>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
saw
>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
to
>>>keep it that way.

>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
option.
>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
not
>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
man
>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>own'
>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
a
>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).

>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.

>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
this
>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
to wear
>>>when examining Zionism.


# 5                           The Kastner Case
ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981

Introduction

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
that involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that
there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
own lives with the price of silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
for all Jews in Hungary.
While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
camps, the price...was not too high for me.

"...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

"Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

"As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
blood to achieve his political goal...
'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
(Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment."

Are the accusations against Kastner true?
According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
-88-
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Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
Date: 1997/07/12

The Kastner Case

Introduction

Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
and in greater detail.

Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
began.

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
3CR for anti-semitism.

It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
what Kastner was accused of.

This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.

The Accusations
----------------
Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
choice and I shall keep quiet.'

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine.
It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
group here'.

And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
p.26ö-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
and absurd'.

Are the accusations against Kastner true?

According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

The Verdict
------------
Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.

It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
can backfire on the censors themselves.

Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
mislead the Jews.
They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
hampering the deportation orders.

Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
Rescue train.

The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.

The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
expensively if honorably guided.

Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.

The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
task easier.

The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
chiefs.

It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
underground.

The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
the extermination plan of the killers ?

The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
annihilation.

The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
Jews.
Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.

When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
designated for death, on the other hand.
An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
already been wiped out from the book of the living.

One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
to evade this truth.

Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
quickly to another."

(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
1955).

Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
Jews.

This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
criminals.

Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.

In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)

Judge Halevi continues:

"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
negate the affidavit.

The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
criminal.

The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
declared in the affidavit.

The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
moment the good intention of good Becher'.

It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
criminal.
Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
n Nuremberg.

Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
his statements." (ibid)

Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
Israeli pounds as court costs.

In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.

Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
matter.

If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
pointed to much more than that.

But the story does not end there.

The Reaction
-------------
Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.

The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:

"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
1955)

In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:

"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).

*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
defense." (23 June 1955)

But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
Government of Israel.

As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
disclose." (23 June 1955)

Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
criminal libel.

As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
*Ma'ariv*:
"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
of our history!

At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
appeal filed.
What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
June 1955)

At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
268)

The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
leadership.

So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
But the story gets worse.

The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
rehabilitated'.

The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
'fully rehabilitated'.

The Majority Judgement
-------------------------
But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
'collaboration'.

In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
totally missing the point.

Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.

The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
Kastner.
They JOINED him.

Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
Chesin:

"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
tree'.
This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
aide in Budapest, protocol 465).

I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.

And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
Jewish community.
Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.

Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
leadership both from a moral and public point of view...

In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
coming danger....

Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)

n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.

The Minority Judgement
--------------------------
It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:

"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
judgements on the guilt of others....

an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
result.'

I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
to a claim of such good faith...

If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.

Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.

And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
at the same time helplessness and activity.
Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...

We can sum up with three facts:
A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
moment of occupation.

B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
murder.
This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
evidence for this.

C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.

And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
Silberg, 1957)

Conclusion
-----------
If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
advocate collaboration with the Nazis.

One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
relationships'.

But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.

The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.

It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.

Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.

Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
West Germany.

Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
fear of what might come out.

Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.

As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
'now dead'.

Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
secret service.
(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
admitted in court during the murder trial).

Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.

The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
not existed.
Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.

Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.

We shall go on to prove this in detail.
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On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!

>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:

This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH
made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public
their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!


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Nazi officials under the direction of SS officer Adolf Eichmann
offered to sell the Zionist Aid and Rescue Committee (Vaada), of which
Rudolf Kastner was the de facto leader, exit visas for 600 Jews who
held Palestinian immigration certificates,  in exchange for 6.5
million pengö (RM 4,000,000 or $1,600,000).

Rudolf Kastner, who became a government minister in Israel, was
assassinated there in March 1957 following allegations that he had
collaborated with the Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train

Mirelle


This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,so
that more and more people around the world will come to know the truth
about the ZYD COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zyd lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZYD
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZYDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>public.

>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>> wrote:
>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,so
c.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>Book Review
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>$15.
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to
advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly
few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received
little
>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of
letters,
>>>statements, articles, and judgements?some of which appeared in his
>>>earlier  book?by a broad array of activists and authors, that
>>>documents Zionist cooperration with the Nazis.

>>>On the face of it, the notion seems absurd. However, Brenner
>>>presents the case?made in many Zionists? own words?that the Nazi
>>>agenda of expelling the Jews from Germany fit nicely with the
>>>Zionist plan for enticing those Jews into settling in Palestine and
>>>creating a new Jewish nation.

>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the
Nazis.

>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response.

>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists
and
>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's
Italy.
>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the
part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort,
however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some
>>>Zionists eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for
instance, is
>>>that they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews
to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less
of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before.
>>>Moreover, the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of
'nationality'
>>>versus citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are
based on
>>>the same concept.

>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who
>>>made the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to
>>>place Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives
of
>>>their threatened European brethren.

>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on
>>>Feb. 18, 1943:

>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>?No!  And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the
fact
>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)

>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically
>>>align themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally
saw
>>>race as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined
to
>>>keep it that way.

>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable
option.
>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level,
not
>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a
man
>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>own'
>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not
a
>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).

>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN  GANG, , wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would
be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.

>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the
>>>Zionist cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of
this
>>>book,another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than
savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers,
in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after
the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to
>>>bring information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to
U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian
>>>and Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
>>>difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem
to wear
>>>when examining Zionism.


# 5                           The Kastner Case
ZHID  KOLABORACI WITH EICHMANN & NAZIS!!
Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981

Introduction

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
that involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that
there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
Supreme Court of Israel.

The Accusations

Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:

I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
own lives with the price of silence.

Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
for all Jews in Hungary.
While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.

Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
commander stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.

This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
camps, the price...was not too high for me.

"...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

"Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...

"As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
blood to achieve his political goal...
'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
(Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
money and military equipment."

Are the accusations against Kastner true?
According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
Israeli Government did rather more  than demand that his
views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
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nord@powernetonline.com


Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!

From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
Date: 1997/07/12

The Kastner Case

Introduction

Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of
all and will show that on this question 'The documentation available
is overwhelming and its message is thundering", just as Palestine
Speaks claimed in one of the extracts complained about by the VJBD.

Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly
the most 'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist
collaboration broadcast on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first,
and in greater detail.

Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some
books in as evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its
case appears strongest, and on the points to which it has given
greatest emphasis,we hope it may become apparent to the Tribunal that
things are not quite what they may have appeared before this inquiry
began.

The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
involving Rudolf Kastner.

Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
ehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.

That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
3CR for anti-semitism.

It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
what Kastner was accused of.

This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works
dealing with the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart
>from 3CR, the suppression of information has been so complete, that
even an expert like Dr. Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on
the matter, has been unable to find out what it is all about.

The Accusations
----------------
Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:

"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
Herald, he wrote:

'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.

This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives
with the price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the
council which spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner
number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is still on my arm - I compiled
careful statistics of the exterminations...I took these terrible
statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give
Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned to
send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went to
Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
choice and I shall keep quiet.'

Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
bargaining end there.

Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany
collapsed,to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit.
pp261-2)

These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:

"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let
a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
Palestine.
It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
not too high for me.

We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...

As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
oal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
group here'.

And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping
keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so
Jews...
That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
p.26ö-61)

Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is
the term that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had
known what the accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR
saying 'In these circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious
and absurd'.

Are the accusations against Kastner true?

According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.

The Verdict
------------
Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on
3CR, has been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to
the Jewish community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to
promote racism, in bad taste and contrary to common sense.

It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information
can backfire on the censors themselves.

Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:

"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
confidence in the false information that they were being transferred
to Kenyermeze.

The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.

The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
mislead the Jews.
They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
of Jewish leaders.

The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
spreading such false information and did not protest.

Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.

The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
hampering the deportation orders.

Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to
overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.

And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.

The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
community n their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
Rescue train.

The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into oollaboration with
the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.

The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.

The Nazis drew a lesson from the Warsaw ghetto and other belligerent
ghettos. They learned that Jews were able to sell their lives very
expensively if honorably guided.

Eichmann did not want a second Warsaw. For this reason, the Nazis
exerted themselves to mislead and bribe the Jewish leaders.

The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
task easier.

The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
chiefs.

It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
underground.

The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did
the S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the
Jewish Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?

The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
the extermination plan of the killers ?

The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
annihilation.

The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
Jews.
Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.

When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
soul to the German Satan. The sacrifice of the vital interests of the
majority of the Jews, in order to rescue the prominents, was the basic
element in the agreement between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement
fixed the division of the nation into two unequal camps: a small
fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on
the one hand, and the great majority of Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis
designated for death, on the other hand.
An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
already been wiped out from the book of the living.

One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.

All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
to evade this truth.

Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he drated
quickly to another."

(Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; Attorney
Generalv. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
1955).

Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:

"From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.

According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
Jews.

This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
criminals.

Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.

Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
Exterminators of the Jews was solidifed in Budapest and Vienna.
Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the genral duties of the S.S.

In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.

All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". (ibid)

Judge Halevi continues:

"Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
when he denied he had interceded in Becher's hehalf. Moreover, he
concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.

As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
defense to prove Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
negate the affidavit.

The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
criminal.

The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.

Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
declared in the affidavit.

The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
moment the good intention of good Becher'.

It is clear that the positive recommandation by Kastner, not only in
his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
criminal.
Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a willfully false affidavit
given in favor of a war criminal to save him from trial and punishment
n Nuremberg.

Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
his statements." (ibid)

Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
unproven accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
his Nazi partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge
also ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred
Israeli pounds as court costs.

In fairness to Kastner it should me mentioned that as well as having
been unpaid, it was never established that he ever wore S.S. uniform.

Nevertheless, this verdict, and the evidence on which it was based,
completely establishes the truth of everything said on 3CR about the
matter.

If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
pointed to much more than that.

But the story does not end there.

The Reaction
-------------
Public opinion in Israel was almost unanimous in demanding that
Kastner and his associates should be put on trial. Remember that up to
now it was Kastner's accuser who was on trial.

The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:

"All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
1955)

In the authoritative Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, the leading political
journalist, Dr. Moshe Keren wrote:

"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).

*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
defense." (23 June 1955)

But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
Government of Israel.

As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
disclose." (23 June 1955)

Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
criminal libel.

As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
*Ma'ariv*:
"What is going on here? The Attorney General has to mobilize all the
government power, appear himself in court, to justify and defend
collaboration with Himmler! And in order to defend a quisling, the
government must drag through the streets one of the grimmest stories
of our history!

At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
appeal filed.
What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?! (24
June 1955)

At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
was defending Kastner so strongly:  "The man Kastner does not stand
here as a private individual. He was a recognized representative,
official or non-official of the Jewish National Institutes in
Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in this court
to defend the representative of our national institutions." (Hecht, p.
268)

The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
leadership.

So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
But the story gets worse.

The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
the name of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
this point Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
rehabilitated'.

The Supreme Court also accepted the FACTS established in the lower
court - that Kastner DELIBERATELY concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
'fully rehabilitated'.

The Majority Judgement
-------------------------
But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
these FACTS, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
two, found that Kastner's actions were MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE and
convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
'collaboration'.

In saying that 3CR broadcasts concealed the fact that Kastner had been
fully rehabilitated by the Israeli Supreme Court, Dr. Foster is
totally missing the point.

Kastner's actions only proved that HE was a Nazi collaborator. It is
the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
that prove conclusively that ZIONISM approves of Nazi collaboration.

The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not REHABILITATE
Kastner.
They JOINED him.

Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
Chesin:

"...What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
tree'.
This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another witness
about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary,
without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner
aide in Budapest, protocol 465).

I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
news to the Jewish leaders there, and this...is a consideration which
one  can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.

And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
result from his great dispair because of the helplessness of the
Jewish community.
Even then, I say, this is still not considered willful collaboration
and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.

Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
many or should he disclose the truth to many though it is his best
opinion that this way everybody will perish. I think that the answer
is clear. What good will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to
perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings
of the learned President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi)
but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as
of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
leadership both from a moral and public point of view...

In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
what was known to them and did not warn and did not cry out of the
coming danger....

Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid, pp.270-2)

n other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
exactly what many other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did -
concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.

The Minority Judgement
--------------------------
It cannot be said that ALL top Zionists leaders actively approved of
Nazi collaboration in this way. Indeed the most precise answer to this
sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is provided in the minority
judgement of S>>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General
therefore shrinks into Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:

"I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
judgements on the guilt of others....

an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
he, as a result of his personal dispair, did not disclose the secret
of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
result.'

I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
thousands would have been able to save their lives by local, partial,
specific or indirect rescue operations like local revolts, resistance,
escapes, hidings, concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of
documents, ransom money, bribery, etc - and when this is the case and
when one deals with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human
being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty and with an extreme
'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he
examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead
of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the last hope
of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as his
defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
to a claim of such good faith...

If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.

Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.

And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
claim that Kastner had concealed the news about the fate of the ghetto
inmates in good faith and only as a result of his complete despairing
of the chances of escaping or resisting the Germans. You can not claim
at the same time helplessness and activity.
Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...

We can sum up with three facts:
A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - 'Second Warsaw'
- nor small revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination
machine working smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to
Kastner from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had
additional proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and
misleading tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first
moment of occupation.

B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
murder.
This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of
evidence for this.

C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.

And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
great war criminal were not so horryfying or despicable in his
eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
of events it throws retroactive light on the whole affair and serves
as a dozen proofs of our conclusion." (Supreme Court Judge, Moshe
Silberg, 1957)

Conclusion
-----------
If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
advocate collaboration with the Nazis.

One could then at least understand the complaints by Mr. Bloch,
President of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, about the
'dragging in of alleged episodes in the history of Jewish/Nazi
relationships'.

But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.

The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history,
being 'dragged in' to discredit an opponent.

It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.

Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.

Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
West Germany.

Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
presure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
fear of what might come out.

Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
on trial as demanded by Israeli public opinion. Let alone the hundreds
of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the Hungarian Jews that
they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, in exchange for
tickets on the one train that took them eventually to Palestine.

As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarassment to the
Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
leadership in Palestine. He is, as Dr. Foster so delicately puts it,
'now dead'.

Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeer
Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were concluded, and
before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. Eckstein was
not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the Israeli
secret service.
(Hecht, ibid., p.208. Another 'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but
admitted in court during the murder trial).

Clearly this issue has a major indirect relevance to the Arab-Israeli
dispute. Apart from countering Israel's cynical use of the holocaust
as a propaganda weapon, it answers a very real concern that many
people have about the State of Israel and the Jews. This concern is
whether, if Jews had a State of their own during the holocaust many
more could have been saved, and whether this is not an essential
future consideration, at least as an insurance policy.

The facts of the Kastner case show that the very existence of the
Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) was an actual help to the
Nazis and that more could have been saved if the Zionist movement had
not existed.
Having a State that approves of actions like those of Kastner for an
insurance policy, is like using petrol for a fire extinguisher.

Zionism is not the answer to anti-semitism, but a cowardly proposal to
run away from it. The only answer to anti-semitism is to fight back.

We shall go on to prove this in detail.
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Tel. (354)-552-6444     Fax: (354)-552-6579
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Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

Looks like the filthy ZHIDS just do not like this well-documented
expose of their holohoax, and the fact that it documents 52 cases of
ZHID COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS!!

>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:

This article is so important, it needs to be reposted and passed on,
so that more and more people around the world will come to know the
truth about the ZHID COLLABORATION with nazis.
It will not be surprising to find after even more research, that even
more incidents of ZHID/Nazi COLLABORATION happened!!

Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!

More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
COLLABORATION with the nazis!!

Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?


>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>> wrote:

It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!

>>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>> wrote:

>>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS
with
>>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH
made
>>>>public.

>>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public
their
>>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!


Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
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ZYD MADOFF+Financial Meltdown/Job Losses sparking anti-ZYD upsurge
worldwide

Canadian Jew News on page 2 of the issue for January 1 2009 reports:

Leading newspaper in Greece, Avriani, call Madoff's ponzi scam 
" the Jewish Connection".

The article was headlined on the front page, with another five pages
in the issue of the newspaper for December 21 2008.

At least 6 times was emphasised that Madoff was a ZYD, as well as
emphasising that ZYDS are behind all the world's problems with
financial institutions.

ADL: Financial crisis sparking anti-Semitic upsurge on Internet  
From: O.Peters 
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:18:34 -0600

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:47:11 GMT,
, "007"
<007@world.org> wrote:

      ADL: Financial crisis sparking anti-Semitic upsurge on Internet

      By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent

      Tags: Israel News, Financial crisis

      The Anti-Defamation League reported Thursday a major upsurge in
the number of anti-Semitic postings on the Internet relating to the
financial  crisis engulfing the United States.

      The Jewish-American organization cited hundreds of posts
regarding the bankrupt investment bank Lehman Brothers and other
institutions affected by the subprime mortgage crisis. The messages
railed against Jews in general, with some charging that Jews control
the U.S. government and finance as part of a "Jew world order" and
therefore are to blame for the economic turmoil.

      Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director, said: "We know from
modern history that whenever there is a downturn in the global
economy, therewill be an upturn in the level of anti-Semitism and
bigotry, and that is what we are seeing now."

      http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1025970.html


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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Some Teachings of the Jew/ZYD  Talmud

"Adrian Dharma Wijaya (Adri)"  wrote in message 
news:5g2dv9F3cnmgsU1@mid.individual.net...
Some Teachings of the Jew/ZYD  Talmud

> Where a Jew Should Do Evil

> Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city 
> where he is not known and do the evil there.

> Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

> Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
> punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

> Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

> Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be
> killed.

> O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

> Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed 
> him for work.

> Jews Have Superior Legal Status

> Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there
> is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
> Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

> Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

> Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it
> does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). 
> Sanhedrin

> 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or
> takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

> Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

> Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no
> death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

> Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
> has "exposed their money to Israel."

> Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

> Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a 
> Gentile.

> Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

> Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

> Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from 
> birth.

> Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

> Insults Against Blessed Mary

> Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the 
> descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in
> footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in
> the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, 
> "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

> Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human

> The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals,
> and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. 
> Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.

> Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who
> pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over
> gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle
> and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam),
> shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man
> (Adam).

> "Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since
> after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one 
> exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man 
> (Adam)?
> No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man"
> (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are
> not called man (Adam)."

> In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the
> Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.

> The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to

> Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).

> Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R.
> Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not
> impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a 
> grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam),
> [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not 
> called men (Adam)."

> The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the
> grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud
> teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not
> rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).

> From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When
> asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, 
> he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from
> coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was
> standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben
> Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written,
> 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 
> 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."

> Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the
> preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact 
> support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical,
> anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding
> absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to
> justify their bigotry.

> In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human
> status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who
> reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since
> revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.

> The Talmudic citation of this scripture from Ezekiel as a "proof-text" is
> specious, since the passage does not prove that Gentiles are animals. The
> passage from Ezekiel only says that some Egyptians had large genital 
> organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that
> the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals. Once
> again, the Talmud has falsified the Bible by means of distorted
> interpretation.

> Other Talmud passages which expound on Ezekiel 23:20 in this racist 
> fashion are: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a.
> Moreover, the original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only 
> to the saving of Jewish lives (cf. the Hesronot Ha-shas, Cracow, 1894).

> website address   : http://www.adriandw.com (about christian, jew and 
> islam; history, knowledge, teaching and practice on life)
> e - mail address   : adriandw@centrin.net.id
> Cellphone/Mobile/Hand Phone : +62 816 705 818

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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FOULNESS OF ARIADNE-Disgusting Pics!

Foulness of ariadne Spouting Off! Disgusting!!
FOUL ARIADNE spouting off [she also posts as Vira Perks!]

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 02:03:32 +0100, aracari

wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:48:28 -0700  'Jason P'
>posted stuff on uk.politics.misc:
>>"aracari"  wrote in message 
>>news:13f3g0a924b5oac@corp.supernews.com...
>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:29:32 +0100  'aracari'
>>> posted stuff on uk.politics.misc:

>>>>I know how enormously popular this candid picture of Ariadne is,
>>>>so I've re-activated it for everybody's pleasure.....

>>>>Here's a new permanent link:

>>>> http://www.toucano.plus.com/ariadne_spouting_off.jpg

>>> And for good measure, here's one of her sister-in-law *before*
>>> she put on some weight:
>>> http://www.toucano.plus.com/bunda1.jpg

>>Wow, what a wide body!
And here is where I find friends:
http://gayfriendfinder.com 

It seems that the government of NZ have enough sense, that they would
not
allow it into the country!!

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007, Wildhare 
wrote:
>Don't even think about immigrating to New Zealand.

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/17/wfat117.xml

Good for the kiwis!  The US should have similar standards.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or Ariadne 
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
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Pedofilia w talmudzie = ZYDS!

Pedofilia w talmudzie

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:14:00 -0500, in soc.culture.polish 
"Szuja Inkowska"  wrote:

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/pedophiliasecret.html 


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Some Teachings of the Jew/ZYD  Talmud

"Adrian Dharma Wijaya (Adri)"  wrote in message 
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Some Teachings of the Jew/ZYD  Talmud

> Where a Jew Should Do Evil

> Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city 
> where he is not known and do the evil there.

> Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

> Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be
> punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

> Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

> Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be
> killed.

> O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

> Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed 
> him for work.

> Jews Have Superior Legal Status

> Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there
> is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
> Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

> Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

> Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it
> does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). 
> Sanhedrin

> 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or
> takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

> Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

> Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no
> death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

> Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God
> has "exposed their money to Israel."

> Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

> Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a 
> Gentile.

> Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

> Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

> Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from 
> birth.

> Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

> Insults Against Blessed Mary

> Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the 
> descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in
> footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in
> the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, 
> "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

> Talmudic Doctrine: Non-Jews are not Human

> The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals,
> and specifically dehumanizes Gentiles as not being descendants of Adam. 
> Here are some of the Talmud passages which relate to this topic.

> Kerithoth 6b: Uses of Oil of Anointing. "Our Rabbis have taught: He who
> pours the oil of anointing over cattle or vessels is not guilty; if over
> gentiles (goyim) or the dead, he is not guilty. The law relating to cattle
> and vessels is right, for it is written: "Upon the flesh of man (Adam),
> shall it not be poured (Exodus 30:32]); and cattle and vessels are not man
> (Adam).

> "Also with regard to the dead, [it is plausible] that he is exempt, since
> after death one is called corpse and not a man (Adam). But why is one 
> exempt in the case of gentiles (goyim); are they not in the category of man 
> (Adam)?
> No, it is written: 'And ye my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are man"
> (Adam); [Ezekiel 34:31]: Ye are called man (Adam) but gentiles (goyim) are
> not called man (Adam)."

> In the preceding passage, the rabbis are discussing the portion of the
> Mosaic law which forbids applying the holy oil to men.

> The Talmud states that it is not a sin to apply the holy oil to

> Gentiles, because Gentiles are not human beings (i.e. are not of Adam).

> Another example from tractate Yebamoth 61a: "It was taught: And so did R.
> Simeon ben Yohai state (61a) that the graves of gentiles (goyim) do not
> impart levitical uncleanness by an ohel [standing or bending over a 
> grave], for it is said, 'And ye my sheep the sheep of my pasture, are men (Adam),
> [Ezekiel 34:31]; you are called men (Adam) but the idolaters are not 
> called men (Adam)."

> The Old Testament Mosaic law states that touching a human corpse or the
> grave of a human imparts uncleanness to those who touch it. But the Talmud
> teaches that if a Jew touches the grave of a Gentile, the Jew is not
> rendered unclean, since Gentiles are not human (not of Adam).

> From Baba Mezia 114b: ""A Jewish priest was standing in a graveyard. When
> asked why he was standing there in apparent violation of the Mosaic law, 
> he replied that it was permissible, since the law only prohibits Jews from
> coming into contact with the graves of humans (Adamites), and he was
> standing in a gentile graveyard. For it has been taught by Rabbi Simon ben
> Yohai: 'The graves of gentiles [goyim] do not defile. For it is written,
> 'And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men (Adam)' (Ezekiel 
> 34:31); only ye are designated men (Adam)."

> Ezekiel 34:31 is the alleged Biblical proof text repeatedly cited in the
> preceding three Talmud passages. But Ezekiel 34:31 does not in fact 
> support the Talmudic notion that only Israelites are human. What these rabbinical,
> anti-Gentile racists and ideologues have done in asserting the preceding
> absurdities about Gentiles is distort an Old Testament passage in order to
> justify their bigotry.

> In Berakoth 58a the Talmud uses Ezekiel 23:20 as proof of the sub-human
> status of gentiles. It also teaches that anyone (even a Jewish man) who
> reveals this Talmudic teaching about non-Jews deserves death, since
> revealing it makes Gentiles wrathful and causes the repression of Judaism.

> The Talmudic citation of this scripture from Ezekiel as a "proof-text" is
> specious, since the passage does not prove that Gentiles are animals. The
> passage from Ezekiel only says that some Egyptians had large genital 
> organs and copious emissions. This does not in any way prove or even connote that
> the Egyptians being referred to in the Bible were considered animals. Once
> again, the Talmud has falsified the Bible by means of distorted
> interpretation.

> Other Talmud passages which expound on Ezekiel 23:20 in this racist 
> fashion are: Arakin 19b, Berakoth 25b, Niddah 45a, Shabbath 150a, Yebamoth 98a.
> Moreover, the original text of Sanhedrin 37a applies God's approval only 
> to the saving of Jewish lives (cf. the Hesronot Ha-shas, Cracow, 1894).

> website address   : http://www.adriandw.com (about christian, jew and 
> islam; history, knowledge, teaching and practice on life)
> e - mail address   : adriandw@centrin.net.id
> Cellphone/Mobile/Hand Phone : +62 816 705 818

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
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Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
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Christkiller ZHIDS!!

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From: "Gnostic" 
Subject: ZYD/Jew money laundering ring busted,
stretched from Brooklyn to Los Angeles to Israel
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:58:29 -0500

U.S. Attorney General's Office filed an indictment in the U.S. District
Court for the Central District of California naming the Chasidic yeshiva 
and
four other Spinka organizations, as well as eight people, in a multimillion
dollar tax fraud and money-laundering ring that stretched from Brooklyn to
Los Angeles to Israel and elsewhere.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=18767

2008-01-11

The Spinka money trail -- and the informant who brought them down

By Amy Klein, Religion Editor

Spinka defendants and supporters as they cross the street to the federal
courthouse in downtown Los Angeles on Dec. 31, 2007. Courthouse photos by
Dan Kacvinski

The first snow flutters hesitantly in Brooklyn. Men wearing fur streimel
hats and women wearing sheitls walk briskly past the corner of 15th Avenue
and 58th Street in Boro Park as if nothing extraordinary has happened here.

And why not? The kosher shops of this self-contained ultra-Orthodox
neighborhood -- practically a city onto itself -- are still a few blocks
down, and here on this bleak corner, there are only three orange school
buses parked in front of a four-story, dark-red brick building, which sits
on a residential street, where tall, narrow houses nearly overlap. The
structure (photo below) is rather nondescript and unimposing -- garbage 
bags
are piled haphazardly by a front gate, bars protect the windows, young boys
can be heard chanting from behind the locked door and a white sign with sky
blue Hebrew lettering reads: "Yeshiva Imrei Yosef Spinka."


A buzzer sounds. The door opens. No one asks who rang the bell. Up the four
steps, a reception window sits empty. Hazy yellow fluorescent lights
illuminate the narrow hallways adorned with graying yellow paint and frayed
industrial carpeting. If there are millions -- or even thousands -- of
dollars going to the Spinka yeshiva, it certainly doesn't seem like it's
coming here.

This despite the fact that on Dec. 19, 2007, the U.S. Attorney General's
Office filed an indictment in the U.S. District Court for the Central
District of California naming the Chasidic yeshiva and four other Spinka
organizations, as well as eight people, in a multimillion dollar tax fraud
and money-laundering ring that stretched from Brooklyn to Los Angeles to
Israel and elsewhere.

Two of those indicted are Rabbi Naftali Tzi Weisz, 59, the Grand Rabbi of
Spinka, a Brooklyn-based Chasidic sect, whose yeshiva is in this
undistinguished building, and his gabbai (assistant), Moshe Zigelman, 60.

Weisz is just one of a number of Grand Rebbes of Spinka, a Chasidic sect
that originated in Romania in the 19th century. He is the
great-great-grandson of the founding rabbi, and one of about a dozen Grand
Spinka Rebbes who live in Boro Park or Williamsburg, in Brooklyn, or Bnei
Brak and Jerusalem in Israel.

Four Los Angeles men were among those charged with taking part in the
scheme: Yaacov (Yankel) Zeivald, 43, a self-described scribe (sofer) from
Valley Village (photo, right); Yosef Nachum Naiman, 55, the owner of Shatz
Et Naiman, d.b.a. Jerusalem Tours; Alan Jay Friedman, 43, a businessman 
from
Pico-Robertson who sits on the board of the Orthodox Union; and Moshe 
Lazar,
60, owner of Lazar Diamonds, a Los Angeles jewelry company.

Although many of the details of the case have not yet been revealed -- a
trial date is set for Feb. 12, but the defendants' lawyers say it will be
postponed at least a year -- what is emerging from the indictment, the
search warrant and other documents of public record is a complex
money-laundering scheme. According to the documents, people donated money 
to
the Spinka institutions but then received 80 percent to 95 percent of their
donations back, yet wrote off the full amount on their taxes.

These charges are just the beginning of a much larger case, Daniel J.
O'Brien, an assistant U.S. attorney in the major frauds section, based in
Los Angeles, said in an interview with The Journal.

"There were many other people that contributed in this fashion that would 
be
the subject of government investigations," O'Brien said.

While O'Brien said he has documentation that the Spinka institutions took 
in
about $750,000 through the scheme -- then writing receipts for $8.7
million -- in 2007 alone, the assistant U.S. attorney believes the fraud 
has
been going on for decades: "I believe this goes on beyond living memory,"
possibly for generations.

This is certainly not the first time an ultra-Orthodox sect has been 
accused
of attempting to break the laws of the secular government -- aramos, or
schemes, were perpetrated over the centuries in the shtetls of Europe. In
the last decade, arrests have occurred in religious communities in 
Brooklyn,
Lakewood, N.J., and upstate New York.

However, this particular case has shocked Los Angeles' ultra-Orthodox
community, not only because Los Angeles had largely been exempt from such
cases in the past, but also because some of the city's prominent members
have been charged as being at the center of the scheme.

As a result, the case has sparked a fierce debate about the type of 
behavior
that is acceptable for observant people and what type of religious 
community
Los Angeles would like to be. But there's also debate about the laws of a
moser, an informant, because one person who was not charged was the primary
source of information for the federal case -- though he allegedly started
out as one of the perpetrators.



THE BEGINNING

On June 29, 2004, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filed civil
fraud charges against Robert A. Kasirer and four executives of Heritage
Healthcare of America, which sold $131 million in bonds to 1,800 investors
in 36 states from 1996-1999, claiming that the money would be used to fund
10 health care facilities. In October of that year, Kasirer approached the
federal government and "expressed a desire to plead guilty to criminal
charges arising out of the investigation and agreed to reveal other 
criminal
conduct he and others had committed, with a view that any sentence he might
receive would be reduced," according to an affidavit for a search warrant
submitted by FBI Special Agent Ryan Heaton on Dec. 18, 2007.

Although the search warrant affidavit identifies Kasirer only as
"confidential witness (CW-1)" and the recent grand jury indictment refers 
to
a witness named only as RK, the companies in the affidavit attributed to
CW-1 and RK are run by Kasirer, and several members of the Los Angeles
community, who asked for confidentiality, have confirmed his involvement.

In 2004, under federal surveillance, the informant identified in the
transcript as CW-1 resumed activities he admitted to having conducted with
the Spinka since 1990, in which "he caused several million dollars in
contributions to be mailed to the tax-exempt organizations operating within
the umbrella of Spinka," he is quoted in federal documents as having told
the FBI.

As part of the scam, Weisz and Zigelman allegedly would return 80 to 95
percent of Kasirer's contributions.

On Oct. 31, 2007, the SEC issued a final judgment against Kasirer, ordering
him to pay $4,991,434.

"Kasirer consented to the entry of the final judgment without admitting or
denying the allegations contained in the commission's case," according to
the SEC enforcement proceedings.

In the interim, according to the transcripts, Kasirer began to wear a 
device
to record his interactions for the government. On Dec. 20, 2004, he told
Zigelman, the Spinka rebbe's gabbai, that he never intended to pay the SEC.

According to the wiretapped transcripts, Kasirer told Zigelman: "The SEC
investigation is done. But they want me to pay them a lot of money."

"How much?" Zigelman asked.

"Possibly one, one and a half," Kasirer said.

"Million?" Zigelman asked.

Kasirer confirmed the amount and said he had told the SEC he didn't have 
the
money. In the transcript, Kasirer then went on to say that he'd lied to the
SEC, and that, in fact he had the money but wanted to hide that fact.

"What is SEC?" Zigelman asked.

Kasirer explained, and Zigelman replied, "Yes, yes, but you don't have to
give it to them."

For the next three years, Kasirer recorded conversations with targets of 
the
government investigation, and, using government funds, conducted a dozen
monetary transactions with Zigelman, according to transcripts of
conversations conducted in English, Hebrew, Yiddish and Hungarian. The
government also tapped the phones of Zigelman and Weisz.



CASH OR CHARGE?

For Kasirer, there were two ways the operation worked: At first he
reportedly received his "donations" back in cash, and when he became
uncomfortable with the large cash amounts floating around, he set up an
Israeli account.

According to the transcripts, Kasirer's money was allegedly refunded to him
by various men, all now defendants in the case: Naiman, Zeivald, Friedman
and Lazar, all of whom have pleaded not guilty to the charges against them.

Among the transactions in the transcripts, for example, was one on Feb. 8,
2007. Kasirer FedEx-ed a check for $20,000 made out to Yeshiva Imrei Yosef
to Zigelman. On Feb. 15, 2007, Lazar delivered $18,600 to Kasirer's house.
On Feb. 22, 2007, Kasirer got a letter in the mail on a Yeshiva Imrei Yosef
Spinka letterhead thanking Kasirer for his $20,000 donation to a tax-exempt
organization, saying the "donation" was entirely tax deductible and Kasirer
had received no "goods" or "services" in exchange for the contribution.

The Spinka Yeshiva charged Kasirer up to 7.5 percent for laundering the
money, which was a cause for some dispute, according to the wiretaps.

On Dec. 16, 2005, Kasirer told Joseph Roth, an assistant manager at Bank
Mizrahi -- which is based in Israel but has a branch in Los Angeles -- to
set up a new account so he could move money internationally.

On Jan. 12, 2006, Tel Aviv lawyer Jacob Kantor -- the only one of those
named in the indictment who is still at large -- is reported in the
transcripts offering to Kasirer to create documents to incorporate a 
company
called Bedford Holdings & Investments, which would be "held in confidence 
by
the bank and can only be disclosed after a complicated procedure by the 
Bank
of Israel, if there is evidence that the monies resulted from criminal
activities, such as drugs -- tax matters are not an issue." Much like
Switzerland, Israel has laws that protect investors, and the country does
not investigate monetary origins, even on suspicion of tax fraud.

"So, we wanted to basically set everything up the same way as it was
before," Kasirer told Roth in the affidavit transcripts. Later in the
document, he tells Zigelman that Kantor set up a trust in Israel so that
nothing would be left in Kasirer's name in order to hide his money from the
SEC. Then he'd take a loan from the Los Angeles branch of an unnamed 
Israeli
bank, "so I can use the money here." Later, he says in the affidavit, he
would take the money back from Israel and repay the loan here.

Mizrahi Bank, which is never named in the affidavit, is under investigation
by the federal government, according to Assistant U.S. Attorney O'Brien.

"We believe the bank offers this thing as a product to clients in the
U.S. -- the bank pitches this as a money-laundering product. I believe 
there
are multiple agents involved," O'Brien said, including Kantor.

The government also believes that there are many people like Kasirer, "who
occupy the same role as he did in this conspiracy," O'Brien said.

But Kasirer was not the creator of this conspiracy, according to the
government. His father -- the recently deceased Jacob (Yankel) Kasirer who
founded the Bais Yaakov School for Girls on Beverly Boulevard in Los 
Angeles
and is known as a "stalwart" of the Jewish community -- was involved with
the scheme. According to the transcripts, when Kasirer was discussing his
distress over his earlier money-laundering penalty with Lazar, the diamond
dealer said, "It's not something you started."

Kasirer replied, "I was really not aware of what he did with my father."

In addition, in a taped conversation, the Spinka Rebbe told Kasirer he
wanted to meet with his father.

"RK's father was engaged in this prior to RK being involved in it," O'Brien
said in an interview. "We believe that this has origins much earlier than
that -- beyond living memory."




CRIME IS NOT SO BAD

"There are a million ways that religious institutions defraud the
government," said one Brooklyn accountant who asked that his name be
withheld. However, it's not just the Jews, he claimed, "churches do the 
same
thing." Churches and synagogues are exempt from filing tax returns --
although many do -- and the government usually does not audit unless it has
probable cause. As a result, this can make fraud easier.

In the last decade or so, a number of Chasidic institutions on the East
Coast have been charged with such crimes, including the 1997 case against
the Skverer Hasidim in Rockland County, N.Y., where four men were found
guilty of defrauding the government of millions of dollars in federal Pell
Grants. But in the Orthodox community, many defended them, despite the
crime, because the money was used to support needy yeshiva students.

"Nobody here owns a yacht," a resident reportedly said, and the feeling
then -- as with many such institutional fraud cases -- that if the money is
used to help the community and not line someone's pockets, it's not so bad.

That, in fact, is a pervasive attitude these days in Brooklyn, where the
Spinka case raised fewer eyebrows than in Los Angeles, because the attitude
is everyone does something. This kind of discussion has been a hot topic on
many Internet blogs that discuss the ultra-Orthodox community.

"The government are thieves, what gives them the right to take 40 percent 
to
50 percent of someone's income? Anyone who can save yiddishe gelt from 
going
down that toilet is doing a mitzvah," one contributor wrote on the
Vosizneias (Yiddish for "What Is News?") blog.

The blog comments, though, seem to be about evenly divided between two
camps: On one hand are those castigating the government or the bloggers
posting the news for spreading gossip; on the other are those demanding 
that
the community finally put a stop to criminal behavior.

One particularly poignant plea came from New York white-collar defense
attorney Joel Cohen, in an essay published in 2006 titled, "Jewish Felons:
The Problem of Criminality in Observant Communities." Cohen described
witnessing a disturbing rise in crime among Orthodox and Chasidic Jews.

"The problem in the observant community, however, is not merely occasional,
nor does it often make headlines. Daily, in metropolises around the 
country,
yarmulka-wearing criminal defendants appear before the bar of justice," he
wrote.

Some prisons -- especially in New York, Los Angeles and Miami -- have daily
minyans, visiting rabbis, kosher food, classes and Shabbat meals, Cohen
wrote. "The most common charge is fraud: against businessmen and
run-of-the-mill citizens alike, most frequently involving victims outside 
of
the Jewish community, against the government, against insurance carriers,
against banking institutions, health care fraud, money-laundering and
stock-swindling."

Cohen pleads with his fellow Orthodox Jews to denounce the criminal
activity:

"Only with the open denouncement of wrongdoing from within the particular
observant community can the community hope to demonstrate and protect the
Torah's commitment to honesty in one's interpersonal dealings as being at
least equal to, if not greater than, its commitment to technical observance
of mitzvoth," he wrote



DON'T BLAME THE MESSENGER

But the most talked-about aspect of the case -- both among bloggers and at
Shabbat tables on both coasts -- has been the involvement of Kasirer. From
the start, most here guessed accurately who he was -- an informant who
turned state's evidence to save his own skin -- but what they wanted to 
know
was what was he? Was he a moser -- an informer, who, according to
traditional Jewish law, must be killed for turning against a Jew and is
denied access to "the world to come."

The Talmud forbids a Jew to inform on another Jew to a secular government,
even if that Jew violated both secular and Jewish law.

Today, among poskim -- Orthodox rabbinic deciders -- there is a debate over
whether a Jew may turn in another Jew in a democratic state. Some rabbis 
say
that laws of moser do not hold in the United States because they were
established to protect Jews from corrupt and anti-Semitic governments that
would likely torture and give Jews worse treatment than other prisoners 
than
merited by Jewish law.

This is not the case today in a democracy, they say. "These rules apply 
only
to one who informs on another to bandits and so endangers that person's
money and life, as these bandits chase after a person's body and money, and
thus one may use deadly force to save oneself," it is written in the Aruch
Hashulchan, ("Laying the Table," a book about Jewish law written in the 
late
19th century).

But many insist that the laws of moser do apply today, and that it is
forbidden by Jewish law for one Jew to inform on another to any secular
government.

Rabbi Ezra Batzri in "Dinnai Mamonut" ("Laws of Money") says informing is
prohibited. "All rules of informing are applicable even currently .... Even
if they bring all matter to court, it is clear that, through interrogation
and the police, government can destroy people, and in many places they do,
in fact, destroy people."

Some rabbis say you cannot be a moser, even in America, except when the
person doing the questionable act may be a danger to others -- a child
molester, a rapist, a murderer. In those cases, it would be "permitted" to
inform the authorities, writes Rabbi Hershel Schacther, a top posek. Which
means that in the case of financial wrongdoings, a Jew is not allowed to
inform on another Jew.

When the Spinka case broke, the Rabbinical Council of California (RCC)
discussed the informant issue, RCC President Rabbi Meyer May said. But the
council decided to let other halachic authorities deal with the question.

"There is no way to explain how perfidious what RK did is. He violated the
spirit of Jewish law," May said. "Having said that, it doesn't justify what
was done on the other side [by the defendants]."

Although many were focusing on the moser and other justifications like
"everybody does it" and "we pay more taxes than everyone else," that is
beside the point, May said. The point, he continued, is to own up to any
wrongdoings. "Our business is the integrity [of the individual]," he said.
"Something which is wrong is wrong."

Still, others, like lawyer and blog commentator Cohen, argue that it is
precisely such concern about laws like that of moser -- which forbid a Jew
to turn in another Jew to authorities, and chilul Hashem, desecrating God's
name in public, which has created an atmosphere were people are more
concerned with protecting their own than following the laws of the U.S.
government.

"To ignore crime within our ranks does us a great disservice, both because
it weakens us as a community and because tolerating it suggests to the
outside world that Judaism does not promote a righteous moral compass,"
Cohen wrote.



BUSINESS AS USUAL

On Monday morning, Dec. 31, the streets of downtown Los Angeles were eerily
empty; nearly everyone had left town. But the Roybal Federal Courthouse was
open, and by 8:30 a.m. there were enough Chasidic men in the third-floor
corridor for a minyan: 11 -- not to mention a few clean-shaven men wearing
black yarmulkes -- all waiting for the morning's arraignment hearings to
begin.

Grand Spinka Rebbe Weisz didn't converse much with his gabbai Zigelman. The
men pored over Hebrew books -- either studying holy texts or reciting
psalms -- and intermittently conversed with the lawyers. It would be an 
hour
until the court would open and another until their own hearing would begin.

Everyone was anxious for the hearing to start -- not because of the 
upcoming
secular New Year, which the ultra-Orthodox do not celebrate -- but so that
they could return to their homes and to their lives in Brooklyn.

The seven men had been arrested and jailed on Dec. 19, a Wednesday, and 
most
were released before Shabbat.

Weisz and Zeligman had spent another Shabbat in Los Angeles, detained until
the arraignment. The Spinka Rebbe attended Rabbi Chaim Boruch Rubin's
synagogue in Hancock Park -- which itself is entangled in a legal battle
over land use -- and was given the honor of leading services. At this, a 
few
men walked out in protest.

"As a parent in the community and as a rabbi in the community, since there
were children in the room and since we have an obligation to teach our
children right and wrong," one person who left quietly said later. "I have
no problem [with the Spinka Rebbe] sitting in the front in his normal
[honored] seat," but the man who walked out said he would have preferred
"one stage less than normal" to show children "that it's not business as
usual."

When the court opened for the hearing, most of the defendants and their
supporters filed into the first row of the courtroom, except for the
clean-shaven Friedman, who sat in the back, a few seats away from Zeivald,
who was accompanied by an Israeli translator.

A Yiddish translator sat next to the Spinka Rebbe, and only Roth, the
Israeli banker, came from the entrance behind a glass partition, clad in
green prison outfit. He was the only one not yet released on bail, at the
time, because the government said he was believed to pose a flight risk.
Roth remains in custody.

Finally, their turn arrived. The seven filed up front, each with his
separate lawyers. (Famed lawyer Donald Etra, who was originally retained to
defend Weisz, was by then no longer on the case). They each declined to 
have
the charges read to them.

"How do you plead?" Magistrate Judge Alicia G. Rosenberg asked.

One by one, Weisz, Zigelman, Naiman, Zievald, Friedman, Lazar and Roth each
said: "Not guilty."

By 11 a.m., they filed out of the courtroom.

By Shabbat, Jan. 4, the Grand Spinka Rebbe was back in Boro Park to lead 
his
congregation. He's free on $2 million bail, allowed to travel for work in
New York and New Jersey, and of course, to California, where he and
Zigelman, among others, await trial.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinka_financial_controversy

This is similar to the TAX FRAUD involving Ken McVay & B'nai Brith!!


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
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    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,ok.general,alt.revisionism
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From: "Steven Craig Horn Is a Convicted Felon@OKC.OK"

Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2008  APLI  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54505370  Jun 26 2008
4:02:11:920PM 
 APPLICATION TO DELIVER THE DEFT TO DEACONESS HOSPITAL & RETURN  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your booking photo:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking.jpg

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.

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From: 
Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2008  APLI  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54505370  Jun 26 2008
4:02:11:920PM 
 APPLICATION TO DELIVER THE DEFT TO DEACONESS HOSPITAL & RETURN  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your booking photo:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking.jpg

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


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From: "Steven Craig Horn Is a Convicted Felon@OKC.OK"

Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
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http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:15:04 EST 2009
Article: 1987874 of alt.revisionism
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Date: 30 Jan 2009 18:55:58 -0000
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From: Frank Arthur 
Subject: The Reason Canadian Kenneth McVay is distancing himself from the San Antonio Area Foundation -
CC: mail2news@bananasplit.info
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        Nizkor Fund? (It's illegal for one thing!) REPOST2
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REPOST of Doc Tavish's documentation proving "The reason Canadian
Kenneth McVay is distancing himself from the San Antonio Area Foundation
- Nizkor Fund? (It's illegal for one thing!)"

Special Note May 14, 2007: The San Antonio Area Foundation has pulled all
links on their Annual Reports so as to not make available for public
scrutiny how they disperse funding and who receives it.
Nizkor is listed as a recipient in all of the Annual Reports archived.
I have some of the Annual Reports on file and I am still waiting for
Doc Tavish to furnish me a DVD of all of his "local archives."

JF

P.S. See related archive from google usenet:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/df5dccde3f0cf306
Nizkor Project Director Kenneth McVay is a Mamzer Totally Owned and
Controlled by Jews REPOST
Message-ID: 

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:22:25 -0000, <12harahlsgf7n0b@corp.supernews.com>,
kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:

>In article ,
>Roger   wrote:
>>In one age, called the Second Age by some,
>>   (an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
>>      someone claiming to be Doc Tavish wrote
>>         in message <12o9h2t1ero1l8strgcsn2hhnain48mh02@4ax.com>:

>>>Can't deal in fact so you march out the same old perjured lawsuit
>>>which Yale lost and didn't have the guts to follow through on the
>>>appeal. You won't be such a wise guy when you start losing major
>>>funding Mr. McBray!!

>>And the fact is, that nothing in that lawsuit was perjury and that
>>it was dismissed on a technicality.

>>So why do you continue to lie about it?

I haven't lied but shite like you remain in denial.
Fabrication of evidence is perjury and issuing phoney subpoenas on ISPs
is a most criminal offense!

I.E.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/393e3320
dd44fda3?fwc=1
Subject: ...Forging Subpoenas and Fabrication of Evidence? Aren't
Those Criminal Acts?...   Message-ID: 

Date: 1 Oct 2005 05:06:24 GMT

Read the above and then make the claim Yale didn't perjure himself!

>Because he is a congenital liar.

You're the congenital liar Kenneth McVay and here is an archive which
proves such and it is an archive documenting many of your own words too!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/f355fc7048d84254?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000+ Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Nizkor
Director Ken McVay is Lying About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to 
CCRA!!
SAAF Reports are Further Proof! V5.0 U_0315
Message-ID: 
Date: 15 Mar 2006 21:47:42 GMT

Here is a brief excerpt of the above and some new additions (people you
know who also prove you to be a liar about receiving money from the
San Antonio Area Foundation):

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
Organization: The Nizkor Project
Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1@news.tht.net>
(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
   What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project,
which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund."
   That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright. The Nizkor Project
has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United States.
Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"


http://nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/2000/San_Antonio_Area_
Foundation_donation
(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: SAAF_NizkorWEB)

"Blakely"  wrote in message
news:282e6175.3c2814b6@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com...
> What did you do with the $50,000 given to you to start a Nizkor
> operation in San Antonio? Since you claim you don't have a San
> Antonio operation, is it safe to say that you simply embezzled
> the money?

No one ever gave me $50,000. That sum was donated to the San Antonio
Area Foundation... The San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me -
or anyone else, to my knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio,
and neither does Nizkor. Get used to it.


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7f4bbf6e9ebf08bb?fwc=1
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: BabbleTubby's Bullshit
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 05:35:30 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <9l2g72$23od$1@news.tht.net>
(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT3)
   The San Antonio Area Foundation maintains an endowment fund
for any organization they support. Ten per cent of all monies donated
go directly into an endowment fund, so that, eventually, the fund
will fuel itself.
   SAAF bylaws state that the first $10,000 donated must go into the
creation of an endowment fund maintained as a part of the trust.
That endowment fund, however, has absolutely nothing to do with the
Nizkor Project, nor has the Nizkor Project ever benefited from such a
fund.
   It's entertaining watching BlubberBabble try to make sense of it all,
and it's worth noting that he hasn't contacted any of the people at
SAAF for further information, as I suggested. That suggests that, as
always, he doesn't give a rat's ass for the truth. Duh.


http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8db801fb548cdb26?fwc=1
Subject: Re: What did Kenny McVay do with money he claims he never got?
Reply-To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: 
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:57:49 GMT
(Archived locally McVay-12-30-2002DENIAL)
.The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the
United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received
any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" ...The
San Antonio Area Foundation has never paid me - or anyone else, to my
knowledge... I have no connection in San Antonio, and neither does Nizkor.
Get used to it...
(This is kind of fun. You keep making an ass of yourself, and I'll keep
laughing at you.)


End of Kenneth McVay's (Director of The Nizkor Project) own documented
words denying he has ever received any money or benefit from the San
Antonio Area Foundation OR "The San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund."

NOW here is Ken McVay (as well as other sources) again but notice all
of the contradictions to all Ken McVay claimed above!


http://www.ghwk.de/engl/linksengl1.htm
(Archived locally as: linksengl)
House of the Wannsee Conference
Memorial and Educational Site
-------------------------------
Related Links

[...]

USA

[...]

 The Mazal Library - A Holocaust Resource
c/o The San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
600 Sandau, San Antonio, Tx 78216




http://www.google.com/search?as_q=Nizkor+&num=20&hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-
1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=San+Antonio+Area+Foundation&as_oq=
&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=
i&as_sitesearch=&safe=images
Searched the web for Nizkor "San Antonio Area Foundation".
Results 1 - 12 of about 35 (Search done November 22, 2003 5:51AM CST.
Return page archived locally as: GOOGLEsaaf2Nizkor)

Sample returns:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/HNet/Mott231000.html
Real History and the Jewish Holocaust controversy
. His above website is registered by the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund" c/o BASIC of 600 Sandau Suite 400, San Antonio, TX 78216,
in Texas, USA.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/put-up-shut-up.html
Put up or shut up, Mr. Giwer
. scientific standards, Mr. Giwer will agree to the immediate release
of the trust funds to the San Antonio Area Foundation Nizkor Fund as a
tax-exempt donation. ...  <>

linksengl1 http://www.ghwk.de/engl/linksengl1.htm
. The Mazal Library - A Holocaust Resource c/o The San Antonio
Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund 600 Sandau, San Antonio, Tx 78216

[PDF] Financials 2000 3-01 http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:sAnpRlOX1HAJ:
www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf+Nizkor++%22San+Antonio+Area+Foundation%22&h
l=en&ie=UTF-8
. 3 Fund Types The San Antonio Area Foundation is dedicated to
improving the quality of ... Katz Memorial Trust Beta and Melvin
Leazar Memorial Fund Nizkor Fund Mary ...

[PDF] 2002 Annual Report http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/AnnRpt2002.pdf
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:MHtPsNgO884J:www.saafdn.org/pdf/
AnnRpt2002.pdf+Nizkor++%22San+Antonio+Area+Foundation%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
. Lemuel G. Hodgkins Trust Dan and Gloria Oppenheimer Fund San
Antonio Area Foundation Community Fund ... Fund Beta and Melvin
Leazar Memorial Fund Nizkor(USA) Fund ...

=============
New additions for September 28, 2005:
[PDF] 2003 Annual ReportFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
http://www.saafdn.org/docs/annual_report/AnnRpt2003.pdf
(Archived locally as: AnnRpt2003)
San Antonio Area Foundation Strategic Initiative Fund. George Weldon
Sheffield Fund ... Nizkor (USA) Fund to Combat Racism & Anti-Semitism
in Mass Media ...

Here is the San Antonio Area Foundation web site showing again in
2004 that Nizkor received funding:

http://sitelevel.whatuseek.com/query.go?crid=56a9e3b448c11dd2&query=
Nizkor&slice_title=&page=1&fo=1
(Archived locally as: SAAF_NizkorFund_2004)
http://sl.wus0.com/quclk.go?rd=http://www.saafdn.org/docs/annual_report/
annualReport_current.pdf&res=1&crid=56a9e3b448c11dd2&pos=1&mr=10&qu=Nizkor
Results from This Site: 1 - 1 of 1 total results for Nizkor

untitled
. M. and Felix J. Katz Memorial Trust Ruth Lang Charitable Fund Beta
and Melvin Leazar Memorial Fund Nizkor (USA) Fund to Combat Racism &
Anti-Semitism in Mass Media James and Alberta Otterpohl Fund ...
http://www.saafdn.org/docs/annual_report/annualReport_current.pdf
- 384k - 2004-09-10
(Archived locally as: annualReport_current.pdf)
I have reports on file for years 2000, 2002, 2003, and 2004 proving
San Antonio Area Foundation doled out money to the Nizkor Fund which
Ken McVay was the recipient!!
Anyone wanting the pdf files need only download them or if they get
pulled I can post them to alt.binaries. SPECIAL NOTE (September 24,2006)
I now have the 2005 report and it too shows Nizkor receiving funding!!!



Here is Ken McVay's very own Nizkor web site showing Ken McVay was a
recipient of San Antonio Area Foundation funding back in 1996!

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803
(Link November 20, 2003 and no disclaimers are made!! Archived locally as:
11-20-2003SAAF2NIZKOR)

Shofar FTP Archive File: people/m/mcvay.ken/press/express-news.960803

San Antonio Express-News
August 3, 1996
Page 10B

"Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten"
By Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer

"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a
solemn promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to
the Internet so that people will never forget the atrocities of
Nazi Germany.

Now his task has gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from
the philanthropic San Antonio Area Foundation to the Nizkor
Project, an international computer web site directed by the 55-
year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island, Canada...

The Nizkor Project is not only a tool to fight bigotry, it has
also "make an impact in terms of Holocaust education," McVay said.

Some of the new material he will add to the web site -- which
will have sound and movement -- includes speeches by Nazi
statesmen advocating genocide, 68 volumes of military
documentation from the Nuremburg war crimes tribunals and
material from the National Archives in Washington.

Some of the new material is being donated by San Antonio resident
Harry Mazal, who is the director of the Nizkor Project in the
United States.  Mazal also has one of the world's largest private
collections of Holocaust material...  

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
Date: 1996/09/05
Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
organization: The Nizkor Project
x-search: http://search.nizkor.org/search.html

In article <5SEP199606431...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
dmittle...@bpavms.bpa.arizona.edu (Danny Mittleman) wrote:

>>McVay, Kenneth (KM1343)                kmc...@NIZKOR.ALMANAC.BC.CA
>>   462 - 1150 North Terminal Avenue
>>   Nanaimo, BC V9S 5T8
>>   CA      1-604-382-0615

> As Giwer has been so kind to repeatedly post this address, I would like
> to point out that while this is not the best address to use, you can
> send contributions to the Nizkor Project to this address.  They will be
> properly received and placed to good use.  You will receive a Canadian
> Tax receipt for your donation (which will work just fine in Canada no
> matter what Matt Giwer insists).  If you wish to make an American
> contribution for an American tax receipt, there is a different address
> (which maybe Giwer will decide to post one day.)

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

	"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

	San Antonio Area Foundation
	Nizkor Fund
	P.O. Box 120366
	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

We thank Dr. Mittleman for pointing this out, and thank all of
you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
Project.

The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial
improvements in service.

--
The Nizkor Project     | http://www.nizkor.org/



But I thought Ken McVay claimed: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to
demonstrate is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any
association whatsoever with the "San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund."
That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very bright.
The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever
within the United States.
Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any
money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"_

Look at who isn't very bright!!!
Ken McVay is a liar plain and simple.

http://groups.google.com/group/quebec.general/msg/46868da0ffff43e5
(Archived locally as: SAAF_2)
From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: Re: McVay's Addresses & Phone Numbers again
Date: 1996/09/15
Message-ID: <51hqme$btg@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
organization: The Nizkor Project

. The correct information for donations is as
   follows:

In the United States, checks should be made payable to:

        "SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"

and should be mailed to:

	San Antonio Area Foundation
	Nizkor Fund
	P.O. Box 120366
	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

Tel:  (210) 225-2243
Fax:  (210) 225-1980

<>



More of Ken McBray contradicting himself and proving what a bold
faced liar he truly is:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
Date: 1996/06/15
Message-ID: <4pvl6g$ctm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
X-Deja-AN: 160389285
references: <4or264$1ar6@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>
<31c2fa3a.16855786@news.annap.infi.net> <4pv7ht$7o7@dfw-
ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>
<4pvcb1$d53@boris.eden.com>
organization: The Nizkor Project

In article <4pvcb1$...@boris.eden.com>, mcur...@eden.com (Mike Curtis) 
wrote:

>mgi...@ix.netcom.com (Matt Giwer) wrote:

     "Supposedly a synagogue is collected tax free
     contributions for Nizkor even though Nizkor does not
     have tax exempt status. "

>This is the Troll who has to put his stamp on every thread no matter
>what.

But he's our troll :-)

Let him explain this one:

In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
Nizkor Project should be made payable to:

SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund

and should be mailed to:

	San Antonio Area Foundation
	Nizkor Fund
	P.O. Box 120366
	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

[...]



But Ken are you trying to tell us that after all of your begging for
funds to The Nizkor Project via the San Antonio Area Foundation -
Nizkor Fund that you never received any money as you are on record
as claiming-- "The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort
whatsoever within the United States.
Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund"

This one is a real eye opener!!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/225d5191538edc6d?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: FinstenNizkorSAAF)
From: Laura Finsten 
Subject: Re: Yet another Nazional Appliance Illiteracy Alert!
Date: 1997/06/08
Message-ID: 
References: <3395F003.DBD@dreamon.com>

<339a9138.97310907@news.pnet.net>

On Sat, 7 Jun 1997, Michael wrote:

[...]

> All your b s aside above (as though Bnai Brith only took checks and
> gave them to Nizkor; all innocent and stuff. Ask any professional who
> deals with not-for-profits about the ease of shuffling funds.)

I have no idea how common such "shuffling [of] funds" may be.
But the key issue here is whether you have any evidence at all to
support your much repeatedly but utterly empty claim that this is
the case with the arrangement between Nizkor and B'nai Brith?
I don't see any of you trying to smear the San Antonio Area Foundation
which, ironically, has probably provided more funding for the project
since it has a far larger pool of donors to draw upon....

	           ~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

I ask everyone-- Who is the liar? Ken McVay or Laura Finsten?

More people proving Ken McVay receives funding from SAAF and some
are The Holocaust History Project members as well as THHP founder
and director  Harry W. Mazal himself!

Here is The Holocaust History Project member Richard Graves:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e7ef783aa4a87d80
(Archived locally as: RichGraves_SAAF-NizkorFund)
From: rcgraves@disposable.com (Rich Graves)
Subject: Re: Nizkor: Who the Hell are these guys?
Date: 1997/01/08
Message-ID: <5b1345$1u3@Networking.Stanford.EDU>#1/1
organization: Fans of Nizkor, http://www.nizkor.org/objectives.html

Here is how to donate to the Nizkor Project:

   In the United States, donations for the project's efforts should be
   made payable to:

        San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund

   and should be mailed to:

        San Antonio Area Foundation
        Nizkor Fund
        P.O. Box 120366
        San Antonio, TX 78212-9566

   American donors may deduct contributions as provided in section 170 of
   the Internal Revenue Code. Bequests, legacies, devises, transfers, or
   gifts are deductible for federal, estate, and gift tax purposes if
   they meet the applicable provisions of Code sections 2055, 2106 and
   2522.

(Tavish comment: Deducting contributions funneled to Nizkor via the
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund is ILLEGAL!!
Nizkor is NOT a non-profit organization NOR is it a charitable
organization (I prove such further down) and anyone who is filing
deductions will be getting a visit from the IRS sooner than
they think! In coming days Nizkor is going to lose its major
American funding when the IRS moves in!!!)

     We very much appreciate your donations, which assist in the
     development and enhancement of The Nizkor Project website. Thank
     You.


Here is Nizkor volunteer Annie Alpert:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e7f3d611c82af26
(Archived locally as: AnnieAlpert_SAAF-NizkorFund)
From: Annie Alpert 
Subject: Yep was Re: Any answers yet?
Date: 1997/01/24
Message-ID: <32E94596.4BA6@ccnis.net>#1/1

Angus Scrimm wrote:

Who or what is Angus Scrimm?  In any case--I'll tell you what I know
about the matter:

>         7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is
> authorized to solicittax free contributions?

Who said they were?  If you really want to make a tax-deductable
donation, though--never fear. The Nizkor Project is a designated
fund under the umbrella of the San Antonio Area Foundation, a
charitable organization that manage funds and combines investments
with other charitable organizations' for maximum investment impact.
Donations made to the Foundation in the name of The Nizkor Project
Fund will get to Nizkor if the San Antonio Foundation approves of
the way the money is to be spent. The San Antonio Foundation will
give tax receipts for donations to the San Antonio Foundation.

	San Antonio Area Foundation
        Nizkor Fund
        P.O. Box 120366
        San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
--
Nizkor (USA) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Nizkor Web: http://www.nizkor.org/


Does not the above have all the appearances of being a
"money laundering operation"?

Here is Harry W. Mazal himself who is the caretaker of the SAAF
- Nizkor Fund in San Antonio, Texas:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/4e874cb48c170b87
(Archived locally as: Mazal_SAAF_DonationsForNizkor)
From: hmazal@txdirect.net (Harry W. Mazal OBE)
Subject: Re: Attack on Alt.Revisionism -- Gate.Net Refuses to Help
Date: 1996/11/21
Message-ID: <3293fbd6.26418507@news.txdirect.net>#1/1

Nizkor receives (very) modest donations from a number of  sources.
Some are Jewish, most are not.  If Mr. Giwer wishes to make a
donation to a non-synagogue based chapter of Nizkor, he may do
so through the San Antonio Area Foundation.
The address can be found on the Nizkor Web Page.   Thank you!

Harry W. Mazal OBE

Nizkor (USA)  An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
Over 1000 Megs of data: http://www.nizkor.org


Proof Harry W. Mazal is the caretaker of the San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund:

You are Here:WHOIS -> Search Results
Search Results

Registrant:
San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund c/o BASIC (MAZAL2-DOM)
600 Sandau Suite 400
San Antonio, TX 78216 US
Domain Name: MAZAL.ORG
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Mazal, Harry (HM1296) hmazal@TXDIRECT.NET
The Mazal
Library 600 Sandau, Suite 400 San Antonio, TX 78216  US
210-377-2742
Record expires on 28-Jun-2006.
Record created on 27-Jun-1997.
Database last updated on 27-Jun-2002 22:55:14 EDT.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/cfa0944d81241a6d?fwc=1
From: ragland37@webtv.net (Michael Ragland)
Subject: Re: Some Holes, Some Holocaust (Danny Keren)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <14152-3D1BD5BE-337@storefull-2253.public.lawson.webtv.net>
References: <3D1BC57C.7000209@sympatico.ca>
(Archived locally as: WhoIsSAAFmazal)


Here is where the real criminal activity known as money laundering
and issuing illegal tax receipts comes in:

The San Antonio Area Foundation claims at its very own website the 
following:

http://www.saafdn.org/faq.shtml
(Archived locally as: SAAF - Frequently Asked Questions)
Q: Who does the Area Foundation award grants to? Will it help me
with my rent and utilities? Can your organization help me?
A: Unfortunately, we may not grants fund to individuals, only
qualified nonprofits, many of which are set up to assist people
who have difficulties meeting their obligations.

(Doc Tavish comment: The Nizkor Project is Ken McVay (an individual
who is the sole operator of Nizkor which also is NOT a "nonprofit"
thus he is NOT entitled to funding!!)

http://www.saafdn.org/about/about_history.shtml
(Archived locally as: SAAF_Area Foundation - History)
By 2004, the San Antonio Area Foundation had grown to over $110 million
in assets and $65 million in charitable distributions – a fitting tribute
to Nat and Mannie Goldsmith, whose philanthropic vision inspired the
Area Foundation – spurring growth and support for the arts, humanities,
education, health and environment throughout San Antonio, Bexar County
and the surrounding area.


					ALSO:

http://www.tcc.state.tx.us/cancerfunding/contact.html
(Archived Locally AS: SAAF Limited to San Antonio)
San Antonio Area Foundation
P.O. Box 120366
San Antonio, Texas 78212-9566
(210) 225-2243
Limitations: San Antonio area
Contact: Candes Chumney, Exec. Director


The San Antonio Area Foundation is limited to: "San Antonio,
Bexar County and the surrounding area"
YET The Nizkor Project is in Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada!!

Here is another real eye opener:

http://www.saafdn.org/about/about_glossary.shtml
(Archived locally as: SAAF Area Foundation - Glossary of Terms)
501(c)(3): Section of the Internal Revenue Code that designates an
organization as charitable and tax exempt. Organizations qualifying
under this section include religious, educational, charitable,
amateur athletic, scientific or literary groups, organizations
testing for public safety or organizations involved in prevention
of cruelty to children or animals.
Note: The tax code sets forth a list of sections — 501(c)(4-26) —
to identify other not-for-profit organizations whose function
is not solely charitable (e.g., professional or veterans organizations,
chambers of commerce, fraternal societies, etc.)
509(a): Section of the tax code that defines public charities
(as opposed to private foundations).
A 501(c)(3) organization also must have a 509(a)
designation to further define the agency as a public charity.


Proof The Nizkor Project is neither a charitable nor a non-profit
organization and is a website BUSINESS solely operated by Kenneth McVay:

From: Charity webmail 
Sender: "Langdon, Blaine" 
To: 
Subject: Registered charity question.
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:23:26 -0500
X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
(On file and archived locally with all headers as: CCRAreply)

 Thank you for your e-mail.
The Charities Directorate of the Canada Customs and
Revenue Agency is responsible for the registration
and compliance of charities in Canada.
These organizations are similar to "exempt organizations"
as are registered in the United States.
However, we have no record of a registered charity
by the name of Nizkor.org...



http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/nonprofit/menu-e.html
(Link active November 21, 2003. Archived locally as CCRAnpo)
Non-profit organizations - Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency
A non-profit organization (NPO) is a club, society, or association
that's organized and operated solely for:
 social welfare
 civic improvement
 pleasure or recreation
 any other purpose except profit.


Ken McVay's NIZKOR.ORG does not fall under any of the above categories.

Here is Ken McVay, Director of The Nizkor Project, publicly stating:
"Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website."


http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/5c887e0f6e538d0
(Archived locally as: NizkorNOTcharity)
From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
Subject: Re: ATTENTION NIZKOR: Income Tax Guide to the Non-Profit
Organization (NPO) Information Return Form T1044
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:52:00 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: The Nizkor Project, http://www.nizkor.org/
Message-ID: <99oro0$259r$1@news.tht.net>
References: 
<3abfe742$0$195@news.impulse.net>

Poor Mr. Bradbury... if he had a brain, he would be dangerous.

Nizkor is neither an NPO nor a Charity. Nizkor is a website.

Paranoia is a terrible thing, particularly when coupled with Mr.
Bradbury's abysmal ignorance.

--
The Nizkor Project


Funny thing that all McVay can do is hurl insults when I show him
the goods I have on him!

Proof Nizkor is a website BUSINESS solely operated by Kenneth
McVay from a back room of his own personal residence:

http://www.geocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.html
(Link active November 21, 2003. Archived locally as: vIn15)
 "A Voyage to Nanaimo-- It takes two hours to cross the
Georgia Strait by ferry from Vancouver, British Columbia,
another half-hour by jitney from the Nanaimo terminal to
reach the home of Kenneth N. McVay, webmaster for
The Nizkor Project . The address is an ordinary
suburban split-level in a middle-class neighborhood.
There is nothing distinctive about its location. ....
I am taken to a back room, filled with computer equipment,
monitors, and books... Seated in front of the array is
McVay, apparently a 50-something computer nerd. He is
tall, thin, with short hair and glasses, wired to the
world through his ISP. The Nizkor project which McVay
runs from this room in the back of his house... " 


(Archived locally as: SolelyOperated)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/b8c8f9854d0b5919
From: Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org)
Subject: Blubberbury's Bullshit and Blather
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Date: 2001-08-08 12:53:05 PST
Message-ID: <9ks5as$r19$1@news.tht.net>
References: <3b713eba.156053777@news.abccom.bc.ca>

Ken Lewis writes:
> Ken has already proven otherwise.

> The quote you have pasted below was simply never implemented.
> Nizkor was then as it is now - a website. Ken hoped to turn it
> into an organization such as you insist it is but that never
> worked out. Within weeks of that post having been
> made the whole effort to tun it into an organization fell apart.

Indeed it did. Why anyone would post an article that was nearly
five years out of date as if it had relevance is beyond me, but
then, we're dealing with "revisionist scholars" here, so it isn't
the least surprising.

> Thus it remains what it always was. A website run soley by Ken.

Indeed.


http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs
and Tax Scam V2.0
Message-ID: 
Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT

Now I ask everyone-- Why should one lone individual such as Kenneth
McVay receive exempt donations for a website he operates from his
own residence?

All of the above is being reported to the proper authorities too!
Filing false tax returns and making deductions for donations via
a money launderer to a non-profit is a matter the IRS is very
interested in to say the least!!

More on McVay's illegal scams:

NIZKOR.ORG'S Ken McVay's Numerous Documented Lies Regarding His Funding-
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation-Nizkor Fund-Some New Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1pfb3@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT
------------------------------AND-------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/2a8fb4468666dd3?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG Director Ken McVay Caught Lying About San Antonio
Connection! (Those Two U.S. Servers!) V3.0  Updated Links T_0625
Message-ID: 
Date: 26 Jun 2005 02:36:20 GMT
------------------------------AND-------------------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/fbf9d934e526f0c5?fwc=1
Subject: Nizkor Project Director Ken McVay's Sig Line Deceit
Regarding Funding of his Canadian Based Website  V2.0   T_1230
Message-ID: 
Date: 30 Dec 2005 19:56:38 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/ab.general/msg/5c06fd75fb21497d?fwc=1
Subject: Nizkor LHR Fund; Just Another Self Serving FUND Like the
Nizkor Endowment and Trust Funds?  V2.0   T_1002
Message-ID: 
Date: 3 Oct 2005 03:33:01 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
Subject: Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?
You All be the Judges!  V2-0
Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457msmetlim0g1k5ib1f@4ax.com>
Date: 26 Jun 2005 18:49:41 GMT
 (Actually the Nizkor Endowment Fund and the Nizkor Trust Fund should
both be renamed the Kenneth McVay Endowment Fund and the Kenneth McVay
Trust Fund seeing how the Nizkor Project is a web site solely operated
by Kenneth McVay from a back room of his personal residence.
McVay is the sole recipient and beneficiary of those two "bogus" funds!)
 Why Ken Lewis was so vicious in his attacks against me in his defense
of McVay;
he's evidently getting some of that laundered money too as indicated here:
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a76ebe4ccbcb71ee?fwc=1
Subject: Ken Lewis' Famous Last Words RE Ken McVay's Address AND Ken
Lewis Benefitting from McVay's Funding Scams?   V2.0  T_1227
Message-ID: 
Date: 28 Dec 2005 05:21:28 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
Subject: NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Apparent Funding Kick Backs and
Tax Scam V2.0      Message-ID: 
Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:06:12 GMT
 (The above details and documents the tax scheme invented and currently
perpetrated by B'nai Brith Canada and Kenneth McVay's Nizkor Project in
which B'nai Brith launders exempt donations and passes them to McVay
as tax free even though Ken McVay is not legally allowed to receive
exempt donations.
This is more or less a similar tax scheme which resulted in criminal
prosecutions and is also the same scheme being used by American based
San Antonio Area Foundation to fund one individual who is not authorized
to receive tax deductible donations.)

Perhaps some people may do some prison time for filing fraudulent tax
returns by deducting donations they made via the San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund who actually violated its charter by doing so!!

								Tavish

Now that B'Nai Brith Canada is being split wide open, because of
Ken McVay using BB FOR ILLEGAL MONEY LAUNDERING,as detailed in
Canadian Jew News in a banner headline story over 2 pages in the
issue for 6 December 2007, what will McVay do now for funds?


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case
- no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.





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From: "Steven Craig Horn Is a Convicted Felon@OKC.OK"

Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2008  APLI  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54505370  Jun 26 2008
4:02:11:920PM 
 APPLICATION TO DELIVER THE DEFT TO DEACONESS HOSPITAL & RETURN  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your booking photo:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking.jpg

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


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NO GROSVENOR Posting ! Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay 

Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
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Sure-I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!

Sure  bubbele - I totally  enjoy  jewing   ZYDS [Jews], 
as well as  CRA, +  IRS - says well-known Ganiv, 
& CRIMINAL FRAUDSTER & MONEY LAUNDERER 
Shabbas-Goy Ken McVAY!!!

No wonder good, honest people, even jews,  really dislike this 
filthy pervert  shabbas-goy.

What a disgusting piece of AIDS-infected filth, is this McVay, finally
dying.
No wonder people feel that the only good faggot, is one that is
incinerated....

Glad to see that the Auditor-General for Canada in her
report complained about the fact that CRA is not aggressively 
prosecuting TAX FRAUDS!!

Guess she is referring to the McVay/Bnai Brith TAX FRAUD!!

Bradbury has well detailed this FRAUD on the IRS and CRA!

On 13 Oct 2004 23:25:00 -0000, Ken McVaySOB 
wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>also a convicted car thief and all round molester,
>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>Subject: I CHEAT JEWS,TAX DEPT.- MCVAY!!

>In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR
>charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a
>senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

>Call Mr.Philippe Robert
>Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
>Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423

>The equivalent with IRS in the USA  will be posted soon as well.

>Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
>will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.taxes,can.general
>Subject: Re: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:47:21 -0700
>Jay Winkler  wrote in message
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700, "Waldo" 
>> wrote:
>Waldo wrote:

>> >On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>> >was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>> >story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 >
>>September 2000. The headline read:

>> >"Huge tax scam exposed
>> >Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>Jay Winkler replied:

>> The preceeding posts was, in fact, made by the  RACIST FRUITCAKE of
>> Edmonton, Alberta known as William Grosvenor/Gruber.

>Waldo responds:

>If you're referring to *my* post  (Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax
>Impropriety?) you're wrong, Jay. I (Waldo) authored the post.

>If however, you're referring to the article *referenced* in my
>post, ($60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!) you *may* be correct in assuming
>that it was authored by this Grosvenor character.

>I wouldn't know.

>But it makes little difference. The portion of the post I
>referred to was an actual news story published in the
>Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000.

>This is confirmed by an article published in USA Jewish.
>(hardly an anti-Semitic publication)

>http://www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/paper/Article.asp?ArticleID=932

>Clearly you aren't comfortable with the idea of this or any
>story that portrays Jews in a less than flattering light
>being brought to the readers' attention, and this is why you
>chose to respond with a lengthy diatribe aimed at smearing the
>credibility of Gruber/ Grosvenor, who you assumed to be the author.

>I'm sure you're not too thrilled at the prospect of your chums
>at and Nizkor and League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>being shunned by donors and scrutinized by Canadian tax
>authorities either.

>Unfortunately Jay, your attempt at diversion via your smear
>campaign against Gruber/ Grosvenor does not change the facts:

>1)  Construit Toujours, a Hasidic Jewish organization, did
>indeed attempt to defraud the Canadian government by selling
>$60 million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish
>individuals and businesses who donated to the organization.

>2)  The pro-Jewish Nizkor Project, which Ken McVay has
>repeatedly acknowledged is *not* registered as a non-profit
>organization, is offering Canadian tax receipts to potential
>donors, and said tax receipts are in fact being issued on
>Nizkor's behalf by the pro-Jewish League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada, which *is* registered as a non-profit
>organization.

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>This funneling of monies to a for-profit enterprise via a
>"not-for-profit" organization wreaks of impropriety, and
>raises suspicions of  graft, money-laundering, tax fraud,
>etc. for all parties involved.

>If Canadian tax authorities *do* find that Nizkor and
>League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada committed
>fraud by issuing tax receipts in return for monies donated
>to Nizkor, they will very likely go after the *donors* to
>collect taxes, penalties and interest on any monies they
>may have contributed.

>This is very sad, as many people who innocently believed
>they were contributing to a noble, non-profit organization
>would wind up getting hurt.

>Ken McVay has yet to respond to these issues, but he is
>a very busy man.

>Perhaps he is currently toiling over a paper shredder,
>or rearranging and deleting data on computer hard drives?

>Waldo


>Observer at Large

>IN FACT, KEN MCVAY IS RUNNING A *ONE MAN BUSINESS* with
>himself now as the sole beneficiary!!

>All other staff, both McCarthy and Cecelia had resigned
>in disgust. They have in fact made public some of the
>evidence regarding financial irregularities involving McVay.

>What about the $50,000 taken from San Antonio,Texas by McVay?

>The text of the message below, posted recently
>sheds more light on the McVay/NIZKOR FRAUD on CCRA & IRS!!

>From: Kevin Swan 
>Newsgroups: ott.general,can.legal
>Subject: Re: NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:33 -0400

>At the end of this unbelievably long pair of posts,
>you STILL didn't address his one, incredibly drawn out point:
>is Nizkor a registered Canadian charity or not?

>Anonymous made one, good point:
>Jay Winkler wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:

>> > Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>> > [#0235903-43-13]

>> >Notice what is said above?

>Now, I don't know why Anonymous dropped the ball here
>and didn't follow up on it, but he later claims that
>Ken refuses to answer to answer the question:

>> 1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?

>It appears that the question is already answered in the
>text Anonymous copied and posted: #0235903-43-13.

>However, when I researched this number (and several variations
>with/without the hypens and '#' symbol) at CCRA's website, there
>were no matches.  So I downloaded the entire list of all 78,000
>registered charities and searched for Nizkor, unsuccessfully.
>Search for yourself at
>http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/charities/list/chtysr-e.html

>So Ken, could you please tell us, is Nizkor a registered Canadian
>charity or not?  Yes or no?  That's really all Anonymous' post
>was asserting, and you made a HUGE post attacking some guy whom
>you allege is behind the "Anonymous" facade, yet you didn't even
>deny his lone point: that Nizkor is a not a registered charity,
>and is making fraudulent claims about issuing tax receipts.

>And also, Ken, your FAQ makes numerous footnotes, and claims
>to reference them at the bottom, but I could find no such list of
>references.  You might want to add them before posting it again.

>Kevin.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,misc.taxes,can.taxes,
>can.general
>Subject: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700

>On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday
>21 September 2000. The headline read:

>"Huge tax scam exposed
>Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization
>known as Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian
>government by selling $60 million dollars in fraudulent
>tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
>businesses who donated to the organization.

>In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit
>Toujours would solicit donations from members of the
>Jewish community, and in turn issue the donors
>Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual
>amount contributed.

>In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited
>from the receipt of the actual donation, and the donor
>would benefit by receiving tax deductions that, according
>to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times the amount
>actually donated.

>Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian
>taxpayers, who were forced to make up for the tens of
>millions of dollars worth of tax deficit caused by this fraud.

>This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor,
>or "The Nizkor Project", a Toronto area based website run
>by Ken McVay.

>Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to
>their website is "Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust
>victims who suffered and died at the
>hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".

>http://www.nizkor.org

>The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the
>Holocaust at the forefront of the public mind, and battling
>so-called "Holocaust Deniers": Revisionist historians, or
>anyone else who would dare publicly question the
>generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust
>against European Jewry in the 1930's and 40's.

>While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a
>noble cause, there are serious questions with regard to
>the source of Nizkor's funding: Ken McVay has stated
>publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
>non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a
>Canadian tax receipt to any donor who contributes ten
>dollars or more to the Project.

>From the Nizkor website:

>"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>[#0235903-43-13]"

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit
>enterprise issue Canadian tax receipts?

>It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation"
>with the pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
>Canada", which is described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer
>organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and
>bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians".

>http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm

>The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a
>non-profit organization, and is accepting contributions,
>and issuing Canadian tax receipts on the behalf of Nizkor,
>a for-profit organization.

>This raises some very serious questions:

>What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between
>Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?

>How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and
>accounted for?

>Is there a quid pro quo?

>Does the  League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>retain a portion of the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?

>Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through
>the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for
>which Canadian tax receipts were issued to donors?

>Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated
>to Nizkor, donors may be convinced that they are contributing
>to a non-profit organization, while Ken McVay has denied
>Nizkor's non-profit status on numerous occasions.

>Does this practice not give the appearance of FRAUD?

>On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify
>funding its operations and paying its staff at the expense of
>the Canadian taxpayer?

>What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises
>who might enjoy the benefits of receiving funds that are
>funneled through a non-profit organization?

>For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors
>and clients of a Law or Consulting firm to establish an
>"affiliation" with a non-profit organization through which
>all monies could be funneled, and tax receipts issued?

>Isn't this what the authorities call MONEY LAUNDERING?

>The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately
>abused on a regular basis.

>In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization
>was stripped of its right to issue tax receipts, and fined
>$400,000, while the "donors" to the organization were to
>face criminal charges, and would be forced to repay the
>taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.

>Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada  guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?

>It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's
>for-profit Nizkor are being funneled through the League for
>Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and that Canadian
>non-profit tax receipts are being issued for funds
>that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.

>Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete
>and detailed explanation of their handling of the funds
>earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian Federal
>Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation
>of both organizations.

>Waldo
>Observer at Large


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


 wrote:

HENRY FORD (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921): 
Jews have always controlled the business. . . The motion picture 
influence of the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively 
under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators 
of the public mind.

At one time, anti-Semites were considered to be people who did not
like Jews.
Now, anti-Semites are people whom the Jews don't like.  Jews use the
term as a weapon to smear people who for one reason or another they 
don't like.
They use it to keep politicians in line who might otherwise stray from
the
Jewish agenda and they  use it to label revisionists as 'holocaust
deniers'
I have been "branded by the Jews" and am proud to be in the esteemed 
company of the following:

T.S. Eliot; Norman Finkelstein; Father Coughlin; 
John Wayne;  Joseph P. Kennedy; Charles Lindburgh;
George Lincoln Rockwell; Marlon Brando; Robert Mitchum; 
Richard Nixon; Henry Ford Sr.; Walt Disney; David Irving;
H.L. Mencken; Kurt Waldheim; Napoleon; Bismarck; Claudis;
Voltaire; George Ball; Israel Shahak; Joe Sobran; Gerald L.K. Smith;
Karl Marx; William Dudley Pelley; Cicero; Heinriche Heine;
Oswald Mosley; Rowland Evans; Robert Novak; Anthony Lewis; Charles
Dickens; Patrick Buchanan; Benjamin Friedman; Martin Luther; Mahomet;
Bruno Bauer;  Elizabeth Dilling; Senator Burton Wheeler


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid 
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies 
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
Feel free to call, or even visit me;
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315
 
or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
homosexuals and the like.


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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
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Sure-I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!

Sure  bubbele - I totally  enjoy  jewing   ZYDS [Jews], 
as well as  CRA, +  IRS - says well-known Ganiv, 
& CRIMINAL FRAUDSTER & MONEY LAUNDERER 
Shabbas-Goy Ken McVAY!!!

No wonder good, honest people, even jews,  really dislike this 
filthy pervert  shabbas-goy.

What a disgusting piece of AIDS-infected filth, is this McVay, finally
dying.
No wonder people feel that the only good faggot, is one that is
incinerated....

Glad to see that the Auditor-General for Canada in her
report complained about the fact that CRA is not aggressively 
prosecuting TAX FRAUDS!!

Guess she is referring to the McVay/Bnai Brith TAX FRAUD!!

Bradbury has well detailed this FRAUD on the IRS and CRA!

On 13 Oct 2004 23:25:00 -0000, Ken McVaySOB 
wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>also a convicted car thief and all round molester,
>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>Subject: I CHEAT JEWS,TAX DEPT.- MCVAY!!

>In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR
>charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a
>senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

>Call Mr.Philippe Robert
>Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
>Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423

>The equivalent with IRS in the USA  will be posted soon as well.

>Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
>will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.taxes,can.general
>Subject: Re: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:47:21 -0700
>Jay Winkler  wrote in message
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700, "Waldo" 
>> wrote:
>Waldo wrote:

>> >On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>> >was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>> >story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 >
>>September 2000. The headline read:

>> >"Huge tax scam exposed
>> >Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>Jay Winkler replied:

>> The preceeding posts was, in fact, made by the  RACIST FRUITCAKE of
>> Edmonton, Alberta known as William Grosvenor/Gruber.

>Waldo responds:

>If you're referring to *my* post  (Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax
>Impropriety?) you're wrong, Jay. I (Waldo) authored the post.

>If however, you're referring to the article *referenced* in my
>post, ($60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!) you *may* be correct in assuming
>that it was authored by this Grosvenor character.

>I wouldn't know.

>But it makes little difference. The portion of the post I
>referred to was an actual news story published in the
>Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000.

>This is confirmed by an article published in USA Jewish.
>(hardly an anti-Semitic publication)

>http://www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/paper/Article.asp?ArticleID=932

>Clearly you aren't comfortable with the idea of this or any
>story that portrays Jews in a less than flattering light
>being brought to the readers' attention, and this is why you
>chose to respond with a lengthy diatribe aimed at smearing the
>credibility of Gruber/ Grosvenor, who you assumed to be the author.

>I'm sure you're not too thrilled at the prospect of your chums
>at and Nizkor and League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>being shunned by donors and scrutinized by Canadian tax
>authorities either.

>Unfortunately Jay, your attempt at diversion via your smear
>campaign against Gruber/ Grosvenor does not change the facts:

>1)  Construit Toujours, a Hasidic Jewish organization, did
>indeed attempt to defraud the Canadian government by selling
>$60 million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish
>individuals and businesses who donated to the organization.

>2)  The pro-Jewish Nizkor Project, which Ken McVay has
>repeatedly acknowledged is *not* registered as a non-profit
>organization, is offering Canadian tax receipts to potential
>donors, and said tax receipts are in fact being issued on
>Nizkor's behalf by the pro-Jewish League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada, which *is* registered as a non-profit
>organization.

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>This funneling of monies to a for-profit enterprise via a
>"not-for-profit" organization wreaks of impropriety, and
>raises suspicions of  graft, money-laundering, tax fraud,
>etc. for all parties involved.

>If Canadian tax authorities *do* find that Nizkor and
>League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada committed
>fraud by issuing tax receipts in return for monies donated
>to Nizkor, they will very likely go after the *donors* to
>collect taxes, penalties and interest on any monies they
>may have contributed.

>This is very sad, as many people who innocently believed
>they were contributing to a noble, non-profit organization
>would wind up getting hurt.

>Ken McVay has yet to respond to these issues, but he is
>a very busy man.

>Perhaps he is currently toiling over a paper shredder,
>or rearranging and deleting data on computer hard drives?

>Waldo


>Observer at Large

>IN FACT, KEN MCVAY IS RUNNING A *ONE MAN BUSINESS* with
>himself now as the sole beneficiary!!

>All other staff, both McCarthy and Cecelia had resigned
>in disgust. They have in fact made public some of the
>evidence regarding financial irregularities involving McVay.

>What about the $50,000 taken from San Antonio,Texas by McVay?

>The text of the message below, posted recently
>sheds more light on the McVay/NIZKOR FRAUD on CCRA & IRS!!

>From: Kevin Swan 
>Newsgroups: ott.general,can.legal
>Subject: Re: NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:33 -0400

>At the end of this unbelievably long pair of posts,
>you STILL didn't address his one, incredibly drawn out point:
>is Nizkor a registered Canadian charity or not?

>Anonymous made one, good point:
>Jay Winkler wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:

>> > Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>> > [#0235903-43-13]

>> >Notice what is said above?

>Now, I don't know why Anonymous dropped the ball here
>and didn't follow up on it, but he later claims that
>Ken refuses to answer to answer the question:

>> 1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?

>It appears that the question is already answered in the
>text Anonymous copied and posted: #0235903-43-13.

>However, when I researched this number (and several variations
>with/without the hypens and '#' symbol) at CCRA's website, there
>were no matches.  So I downloaded the entire list of all 78,000
>registered charities and searched for Nizkor, unsuccessfully.
>Search for yourself at
>http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/charities/list/chtysr-e.html

>So Ken, could you please tell us, is Nizkor a registered Canadian
>charity or not?  Yes or no?  That's really all Anonymous' post
>was asserting, and you made a HUGE post attacking some guy whom
>you allege is behind the "Anonymous" facade, yet you didn't even
>deny his lone point: that Nizkor is a not a registered charity,
>and is making fraudulent claims about issuing tax receipts.

>And also, Ken, your FAQ makes numerous footnotes, and claims
>to reference them at the bottom, but I could find no such list of
>references.  You might want to add them before posting it again.

>Kevin.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,misc.taxes,can.taxes,
>can.general
>Subject: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700

>On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday
>21 September 2000. The headline read:

>"Huge tax scam exposed
>Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization
>known as Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian
>government by selling $60 million dollars in fraudulent
>tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
>businesses who donated to the organization.

>In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit
>Toujours would solicit donations from members of the
>Jewish community, and in turn issue the donors
>Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual
>amount contributed.

>In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited
>from the receipt of the actual donation, and the donor
>would benefit by receiving tax deductions that, according
>to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times the amount
>actually donated.

>Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian
>taxpayers, who were forced to make up for the tens of
>millions of dollars worth of tax deficit caused by this fraud.

>This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor,
>or "The Nizkor Project", a Toronto area based website run
>by Ken McVay.

>Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to
>their website is "Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust
>victims who suffered and died at the
>hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".

>http://www.nizkor.org

>The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the
>Holocaust at the forefront of the public mind, and battling
>so-called "Holocaust Deniers": Revisionist historians, or
>anyone else who would dare publicly question the
>generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust
>against European Jewry in the 1930's and 40's.

>While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a
>noble cause, there are serious questions with regard to
>the source of Nizkor's funding: Ken McVay has stated
>publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
>non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a
>Canadian tax receipt to any donor who contributes ten
>dollars or more to the Project.

>From the Nizkor website:

>"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>[#0235903-43-13]"

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit
>enterprise issue Canadian tax receipts?

>It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation"
>with the pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
>Canada", which is described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer
>organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and
>bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians".

>http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm

>The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a
>non-profit organization, and is accepting contributions,
>and issuing Canadian tax receipts on the behalf of Nizkor,
>a for-profit organization.

>This raises some very serious questions:

>What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between
>Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?

>How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and
>accounted for?

>Is there a quid pro quo?

>Does the  League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>retain a portion of the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?

>Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through
>the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for
>which Canadian tax receipts were issued to donors?

>Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated
>to Nizkor, donors may be convinced that they are contributing
>to a non-profit organization, while Ken McVay has denied
>Nizkor's non-profit status on numerous occasions.

>Does this practice not give the appearance of FRAUD?

>On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify
>funding its operations and paying its staff at the expense of
>the Canadian taxpayer?

>What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises
>who might enjoy the benefits of receiving funds that are
>funneled through a non-profit organization?

>For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors
>and clients of a Law or Consulting firm to establish an
>"affiliation" with a non-profit organization through which
>all monies could be funneled, and tax receipts issued?

>Isn't this what the authorities call MONEY LAUNDERING?

>The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately
>abused on a regular basis.

>In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization
>was stripped of its right to issue tax receipts, and fined
>$400,000, while the "donors" to the organization were to
>face criminal charges, and would be forced to repay the
>taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.

>Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada  guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?

>It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's
>for-profit Nizkor are being funneled through the League for
>Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and that Canadian
>non-profit tax receipts are being issued for funds
>that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.

>Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete
>and detailed explanation of their handling of the funds
>earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian Federal
>Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation
>of both organizations.

>Waldo
>Observer at Large


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


 wrote:

HENRY FORD (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921): 
Jews have always controlled the business. . . The motion picture 
influence of the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively 
under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators 
of the public mind.

At one time, anti-Semites were considered to be people who did not
like Jews.
Now, anti-Semites are people whom the Jews don't like.  Jews use the
term as a weapon to smear people who for one reason or another they 
don't like.
They use it to keep politicians in line who might otherwise stray from
the
Jewish agenda and they  use it to label revisionists as 'holocaust
deniers'
I have been "branded by the Jews" and am proud to be in the esteemed 
company of the following:

T.S. Eliot; Norman Finkelstein; Father Coughlin; 
John Wayne;  Joseph P. Kennedy; Charles Lindburgh;
George Lincoln Rockwell; Marlon Brando; Robert Mitchum; 
Richard Nixon; Henry Ford Sr.; Walt Disney; David Irving;
H.L. Mencken; Kurt Waldheim; Napoleon; Bismarck; Claudis;
Voltaire; George Ball; Israel Shahak; Joe Sobran; Gerald L.K. Smith;
Karl Marx; William Dudley Pelley; Cicero; Heinriche Heine;
Oswald Mosley; Rowland Evans; Robert Novak; Anthony Lewis; Charles
Dickens; Patrick Buchanan; Benjamin Friedman; Martin Luther; Mahomet;
Bruno Bauer;  Elizabeth Dilling; Senator Burton Wheeler


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid 
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies 
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
Feel free to call, or even visit me;
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315
 
or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
homosexuals and the like.


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Subject: Sure, I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!
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Sure-I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!

Sure  bubbele - I totally  enjoy  jewing   ZYDS [Jews], 
as well as  CRA, +  IRS - says well-known Ganiv, 
& CRIMINAL FRAUDSTER & MONEY LAUNDERER 
Shabbas-Goy Ken McVAY!!!

No wonder good, honest people, even jews,  really dislike this 
filthy pervert  shabbas-goy.

What a disgusting piece of AIDS-infected filth, is this McVay, finally
dying.
No wonder people feel that the only good faggot, is one that is
incinerated....

Glad to see that the Auditor-General for Canada in her
report complained about the fact that CRA is not aggressively 
prosecuting TAX FRAUDS!!

Guess she is referring to the McVay/Bnai Brith TAX FRAUD!!

Bradbury has well detailed this FRAUD on the IRS and CRA!

On 13 Oct 2004 23:25:00 -0000, Ken McVaySOB 
wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>also a convicted car thief and all round molester,
>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>Subject: I CHEAT JEWS,TAX DEPT.- MCVAY!!

>In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR
>charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a
>senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

>Call Mr.Philippe Robert
>Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
>Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423

>The equivalent with IRS in the USA  will be posted soon as well.

>Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
>will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.taxes,can.general
>Subject: Re: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:47:21 -0700
>Jay Winkler  wrote in message
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700, "Waldo" 
>> wrote:
>Waldo wrote:

>> >On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>> >was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>> >story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 >
>>September 2000. The headline read:

>> >"Huge tax scam exposed
>> >Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>Jay Winkler replied:

>> The preceeding posts was, in fact, made by the  RACIST FRUITCAKE of
>> Edmonton, Alberta known as William Grosvenor/Gruber.

>Waldo responds:

>If you're referring to *my* post  (Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax
>Impropriety?) you're wrong, Jay. I (Waldo) authored the post.

>If however, you're referring to the article *referenced* in my
>post, ($60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!) you *may* be correct in assuming
>that it was authored by this Grosvenor character.

>I wouldn't know.

>But it makes little difference. The portion of the post I
>referred to was an actual news story published in the
>Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000.

>This is confirmed by an article published in USA Jewish.
>(hardly an anti-Semitic publication)

>http://www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/paper/Article.asp?ArticleID=932

>Clearly you aren't comfortable with the idea of this or any
>story that portrays Jews in a less than flattering light
>being brought to the readers' attention, and this is why you
>chose to respond with a lengthy diatribe aimed at smearing the
>credibility of Gruber/ Grosvenor, who you assumed to be the author.

>I'm sure you're not too thrilled at the prospect of your chums
>at and Nizkor and League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>being shunned by donors and scrutinized by Canadian tax
>authorities either.

>Unfortunately Jay, your attempt at diversion via your smear
>campaign against Gruber/ Grosvenor does not change the facts:

>1)  Construit Toujours, a Hasidic Jewish organization, did
>indeed attempt to defraud the Canadian government by selling
>$60 million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish
>individuals and businesses who donated to the organization.

>2)  The pro-Jewish Nizkor Project, which Ken McVay has
>repeatedly acknowledged is *not* registered as a non-profit
>organization, is offering Canadian tax receipts to potential
>donors, and said tax receipts are in fact being issued on
>Nizkor's behalf by the pro-Jewish League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada, which *is* registered as a non-profit
>organization.

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>This funneling of monies to a for-profit enterprise via a
>"not-for-profit" organization wreaks of impropriety, and
>raises suspicions of  graft, money-laundering, tax fraud,
>etc. for all parties involved.

>If Canadian tax authorities *do* find that Nizkor and
>League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada committed
>fraud by issuing tax receipts in return for monies donated
>to Nizkor, they will very likely go after the *donors* to
>collect taxes, penalties and interest on any monies they
>may have contributed.

>This is very sad, as many people who innocently believed
>they were contributing to a noble, non-profit organization
>would wind up getting hurt.

>Ken McVay has yet to respond to these issues, but he is
>a very busy man.

>Perhaps he is currently toiling over a paper shredder,
>or rearranging and deleting data on computer hard drives?

>Waldo


>Observer at Large

>IN FACT, KEN MCVAY IS RUNNING A *ONE MAN BUSINESS* with
>himself now as the sole beneficiary!!

>All other staff, both McCarthy and Cecelia had resigned
>in disgust. They have in fact made public some of the
>evidence regarding financial irregularities involving McVay.

>What about the $50,000 taken from San Antonio,Texas by McVay?

>The text of the message below, posted recently
>sheds more light on the McVay/NIZKOR FRAUD on CCRA & IRS!!

>From: Kevin Swan 
>Newsgroups: ott.general,can.legal
>Subject: Re: NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:33 -0400

>At the end of this unbelievably long pair of posts,
>you STILL didn't address his one, incredibly drawn out point:
>is Nizkor a registered Canadian charity or not?

>Anonymous made one, good point:
>Jay Winkler wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:

>> > Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>> > [#0235903-43-13]

>> >Notice what is said above?

>Now, I don't know why Anonymous dropped the ball here
>and didn't follow up on it, but he later claims that
>Ken refuses to answer to answer the question:

>> 1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?

>It appears that the question is already answered in the
>text Anonymous copied and posted: #0235903-43-13.

>However, when I researched this number (and several variations
>with/without the hypens and '#' symbol) at CCRA's website, there
>were no matches.  So I downloaded the entire list of all 78,000
>registered charities and searched for Nizkor, unsuccessfully.
>Search for yourself at
>http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/charities/list/chtysr-e.html

>So Ken, could you please tell us, is Nizkor a registered Canadian
>charity or not?  Yes or no?  That's really all Anonymous' post
>was asserting, and you made a HUGE post attacking some guy whom
>you allege is behind the "Anonymous" facade, yet you didn't even
>deny his lone point: that Nizkor is a not a registered charity,
>and is making fraudulent claims about issuing tax receipts.

>And also, Ken, your FAQ makes numerous footnotes, and claims
>to reference them at the bottom, but I could find no such list of
>references.  You might want to add them before posting it again.

>Kevin.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,misc.taxes,can.taxes,
>can.general
>Subject: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700

>On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday
>21 September 2000. The headline read:

>"Huge tax scam exposed
>Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization
>known as Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian
>government by selling $60 million dollars in fraudulent
>tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
>businesses who donated to the organization.

>In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit
>Toujours would solicit donations from members of the
>Jewish community, and in turn issue the donors
>Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual
>amount contributed.

>In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited
>from the receipt of the actual donation, and the donor
>would benefit by receiving tax deductions that, according
>to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times the amount
>actually donated.

>Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian
>taxpayers, who were forced to make up for the tens of
>millions of dollars worth of tax deficit caused by this fraud.

>This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor,
>or "The Nizkor Project", a Toronto area based website run
>by Ken McVay.

>Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to
>their website is "Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust
>victims who suffered and died at the
>hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".

>http://www.nizkor.org

>The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the
>Holocaust at the forefront of the public mind, and battling
>so-called "Holocaust Deniers": Revisionist historians, or
>anyone else who would dare publicly question the
>generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust
>against European Jewry in the 1930's and 40's.

>While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a
>noble cause, there are serious questions with regard to
>the source of Nizkor's funding: Ken McVay has stated
>publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
>non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a
>Canadian tax receipt to any donor who contributes ten
>dollars or more to the Project.

>From the Nizkor website:

>"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>[#0235903-43-13]"

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit
>enterprise issue Canadian tax receipts?

>It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation"
>with the pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
>Canada", which is described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer
>organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and
>bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians".

>http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm

>The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a
>non-profit organization, and is accepting contributions,
>and issuing Canadian tax receipts on the behalf of Nizkor,
>a for-profit organization.

>This raises some very serious questions:

>What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between
>Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?

>How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and
>accounted for?

>Is there a quid pro quo?

>Does the  League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>retain a portion of the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?

>Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through
>the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for
>which Canadian tax receipts were issued to donors?

>Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated
>to Nizkor, donors may be convinced that they are contributing
>to a non-profit organization, while Ken McVay has denied
>Nizkor's non-profit status on numerous occasions.

>Does this practice not give the appearance of FRAUD?

>On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify
>funding its operations and paying its staff at the expense of
>the Canadian taxpayer?

>What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises
>who might enjoy the benefits of receiving funds that are
>funneled through a non-profit organization?

>For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors
>and clients of a Law or Consulting firm to establish an
>"affiliation" with a non-profit organization through which
>all monies could be funneled, and tax receipts issued?

>Isn't this what the authorities call MONEY LAUNDERING?

>The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately
>abused on a regular basis.

>In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization
>was stripped of its right to issue tax receipts, and fined
>$400,000, while the "donors" to the organization were to
>face criminal charges, and would be forced to repay the
>taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.

>Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada  guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?

>It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's
>for-profit Nizkor are being funneled through the League for
>Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and that Canadian
>non-profit tax receipts are being issued for funds
>that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.

>Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete
>and detailed explanation of their handling of the funds
>earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian Federal
>Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation
>of both organizations.

>Waldo
>Observer at Large


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


 wrote:

HENRY FORD (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921): 
Jews have always controlled the business. . . The motion picture 
influence of the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively 
under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators 
of the public mind.

At one time, anti-Semites were considered to be people who did not
like Jews.
Now, anti-Semites are people whom the Jews don't like.  Jews use the
term as a weapon to smear people who for one reason or another they 
don't like.
They use it to keep politicians in line who might otherwise stray from
the
Jewish agenda and they  use it to label revisionists as 'holocaust
deniers'
I have been "branded by the Jews" and am proud to be in the esteemed 
company of the following:

T.S. Eliot; Norman Finkelstein; Father Coughlin; 
John Wayne;  Joseph P. Kennedy; Charles Lindburgh;
George Lincoln Rockwell; Marlon Brando; Robert Mitchum; 
Richard Nixon; Henry Ford Sr.; Walt Disney; David Irving;
H.L. Mencken; Kurt Waldheim; Napoleon; Bismarck; Claudis;
Voltaire; George Ball; Israel Shahak; Joe Sobran; Gerald L.K. Smith;
Karl Marx; William Dudley Pelley; Cicero; Heinriche Heine;
Oswald Mosley; Rowland Evans; Robert Novak; Anthony Lewis; Charles
Dickens; Patrick Buchanan; Benjamin Friedman; Martin Luther; Mahomet;
Bruno Bauer;  Elizabeth Dilling; Senator Burton Wheeler


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid 
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies 
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
Feel free to call, or even visit me;
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315
 
or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
homosexuals and the like.


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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: ok.general,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT
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Joe Bruno  rearranged his few remaining neurons and
wrote:

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOTS COMPLIMENTS  OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

His prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]: Michael B. Ward,
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
	Count # 1.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
	Count # 2.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
	Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
	in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
distributing kiddie porn
plus many additional criminal charges.

Report Steve Horn's internet abuses to:
OK, FBI agent, Internet operation facility:
James Funderbrick
405-290-7770

Guess Stevie will be entertaining the buck nigras in the Big House
for the rest of his life?

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
Wednesday 19 March 2008  was when Steve Horn was to get sentenced!
He asked for an adjournment to 2nd April, to try and plea bargain
for a lesser sentence!


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:

>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

>> http://i37.tinypic.com/2a7bn92.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net
or Greg Carr 
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431


Feel free to subscribe all of us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud who changes names 
every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  =
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet 
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to 
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems 
that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the 
gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world top-rated
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:17 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: tx.general,soc.culture.usa,alt.homosexuality
Subject: Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud
Message-ID: 
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I am Frank Arthur=sometimes alias Grosvenor from Canada = sometimes alias
Gay Ken McVay the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes.
because I am truly certifiably insane.

Frank Arthur  [that is me] sometimes I post via Bellsouth Internet Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously, and to confuse people.
I even post articles denying who I am, just to keep people annoyed at me.

I am the fraud Grosvenor [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvenor,or other aliases,I often post to alt.homosexual-to satisfy my 
need!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

Like Fraud? DickWarren is also known as Edmond Grosvomit the fraud who
changes names every 5 minutes.
Quick send him money IF you are stupid!

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of his names-
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.
All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems 
that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the 
gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or KenMcVay@vex.net
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:17 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
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Newsgroups: ok.general,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT
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Joe Bruno  rearranged his few remaining neurons and
wrote:

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOTS COMPLIMENTS  OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

His prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]: Michael B. Ward,
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
	Count # 1.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
	Count # 2.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
	Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
	in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
distributing kiddie porn
plus many additional criminal charges.

Report Steve Horn's internet abuses to:
OK, FBI agent, Internet operation facility:
James Funderbrick
405-290-7770

Guess Stevie will be entertaining the buck nigras in the Big House
for the rest of his life?

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
Wednesday 19 March 2008  was when Steve Horn was to get sentenced!
He asked for an adjournment to 2nd April, to try and plea bargain
for a lesser sentence!


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:

>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

>> http://i37.tinypic.com/2a7bn92.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:18 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,tx.general,alt.homosexual
Subject: Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud who changes
X-Invalid: names every 3 minutes.
Message-ID: <5f18338f29fb9604e152c0b1e797d8d6@pseudo.borked.net>
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Yah, I am Frank Arthur - alias Grosvenor -  alias Gay Ken McVay.
I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur [that is me] sometimes I post using Bellsouth
Internet Group, except when I post using remailers, anonymously,
to confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvenor [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay.
I often post to alt.homosexual - just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

Like Fraud? DickWarren is also known as Edmond Grosvomit the fraud who
changes names every 5 minutes.
Quick send him money IF you are stupid!

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of his names-
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.
All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems 
that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the 
gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:20 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: ok.general,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT & Psych Report
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Joe Bruno  rearranged his few remaining neurons and
wrote:

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOTS COMPLIMENTS  OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

His prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]: Michael B. Ward,
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
	Count # 1.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
	Count # 2.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
	Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
	in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
distributing kiddie porn
plus many additional criminal charges.

Report Steve Horn's internet abuses to:
OK, FBI agent, Internet operation facility:
James Funderbrick
405-290-7770

Guess Stevie will be entertaining the buck nigras in the Big House
for the rest of his life?

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
Wednesday 19 March 2008  was when Steve Horn was to get sentenced!
He asked for an adjournment to 2nd April, to try and plea bargain
for a lesser sentence!


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:

>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

>> http://i37.tinypic.com/2a7bn92.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=
378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn -
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

or KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:21 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: tx.general,soc.culture.usa,alt.homosexuality
Subject: Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud
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I am Frank Arthur=sometimes alias Grosvenor from Canada = sometimes alias
Gay Ken McVay the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes.
because I am truly certifiably insane.

Frank Arthur  [that is me] sometimes I post via Bellsouth Internet Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously, and to confuse people.
I even post articles denying who I am, just to keep people annoyed at me.

I am the fraud Grosvenor [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvenor,or other aliases,I often post to alt.homosexual-to satisfy my 
need!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

Like Fraud? DickWarren is also known as Edmond Grosvomit the fraud who
changes names every 5 minutes.
Quick send him money IF you are stupid!

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of his names-
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.
All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems 
that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the 
gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:26 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: tx.general,soc.culture.usa,alt.homosexuality
Subject: Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud
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I am Frank Arthur=sometimes alias Grosvenor from Canada =
sometimes alias Gay Ken McVay the filthy  fraud  who
changes names every 3 minutes,because I am truly certifiably insane.

Frank Arthur  [that is me] sometimes I post via
Bellsouth Internet Group,except when I post using remailers,
anonymously, and to confuse people.
I even post articles denying who I am, just to keep people annoyed at me.

I am the fraud Grosvenor [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvenor,or other aliases,I often post to alt.homosexual-to satisfy my 
need!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

Like Fraud? DickWarren is also known as Edmond Grosvomit the fraud who
changes names every 5 minutes.
Quick send him money IF you are stupid!

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of his names-
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.
All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems 
that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the 
gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:32 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,tx.general,alt.homosexual
Subject: NO GROSVENOR Posting ! Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay
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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  =
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet 
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to 
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems 
that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the 
gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world top-rated
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:34 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Cc: mail2news@dizum.com
Newsgroups: tx.general,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: Loathesome Molester McVay-Cheating IRS & CRA-Now B'Nai Brith Dissolving?
Message-ID: <896535fb9e93606cf6353b61665f39d8@pseudo.borked.net>
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Now  B'nai Brith Canada may be dissolving because even the jews can
not stand the CRIMINAL MONEY LAUNDERING of BB for McVay's BUSINESS,
and giving FRAUDULENT CHARITABLE DONATION RECEIPTS for payments
for McVay's BUSINESS!!

It must be jealousy that is causing all the goyim suckers to object
to the fact that he can scam the IRS and CRA, by illegal money
laundering through Bnai Brith and the San Antonio Area Foundation.

Now, with the Canadian tax Department - CRA - having authorised  an
extra $30 million for a TAX FRAUD TAX FORCE, McVay and his
co-conspirators in Bnai Brith will probably be joining criminal
Bernardo in the pen!!

Plus, all those gullible crooks who used the FRAUDULENT charitable
donation receipts given for payments to McVay's BUSINESS, will now
get re-assessed, and have to pay taxes, penalties, and interest!!

CRA should be able to recover most of the $30 million just from McVay,
Bnai Brith, and the suckers using the fraudulent donation receipts for
McVay's BUSINESS!!


Even Jew groups, such as Sol Littman/Bnai Brith, have a website criticising
Ken McVay at:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml

PROOF THAT MCVAY SWINDLES EVERYONE, AND DOES NOT DECLARE INCOME FOR TAXES!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/5863ead7
b3942e76?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000 Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Ken McVay is
Lying About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for
2002 Is Further Proof! V3.5   T_0929
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:41:48 -0500
Message-ID: 

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund  -- Some New 
Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0   T_0822
Message-ID: <3i9lg1p8efhpoda0r07vatjs87jmr1pfb3@4ax.com>
Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43f
e4f9d61d?fwc=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed 
With
Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
Message-ID: 
Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT

All links have been updated such as internal GOOGLE links! Just quoting 
parts
of the abov where McVay says one thing and then another pisses him off!

Even ZHID groups are disgusted with McVay, as this website from BB 
declares:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml


Mamser Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
and car theft in California and Oregon, the
well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
also a convicted car thief and all round molester,
and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now dying from AIDS,
wants all to know about all his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
Here is the latest.......

From: timguegen@NAMBLA.org
Subject: Re:NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
Date: Wed,  9 May 2001 20:59:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: NIZKOR WATCH                                                         


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:17:45 EST 2009
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From: FrankArthur 
Newsgroups: ok.general,tx.general,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Steve "KCOM" Horn is suicidal, mentally unstable,perverted and criminal
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Steve "KCOM" Horn is suicidal, mentally unstable, perverted and criminal

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 04:08:34 +0000 (UTC), in alt.revisionism
Alfred H.Horn wrote:

The two news articles below prove Steve Horn has lied repeatedly
about being in medical school in Aruba.
If Steve was in Aruba then how is he was arrested in Oklahoma City?
Key phrases to take notice of in news articles below:
"Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from
Oklahoma City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening
to kill himself and requesting to be put in protective custody.
He had been self-medicating with Valium and alcohol..." ,
"A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along
with a computer with images of young girls."
"Horn’s father allegedly said his son was mentally unstable
and a potential danger to himself and others." and
"Nov. 3, 2006 — Boydston meets with Judge Russell Hall at
10 a.m. and obtains a warrant for Horn’s arrest.
At 4 p.m. Boydston meets with the Will Rogers Division of the
Oklahoma City Police Department and receives information about
their previous investigation of Horn.

Everyone notice that last sentence mentioning "Oklahoma City
Police Department and receives information about their previous
investigation of Horn"?
KCOM is definitely a person of interest in law enforcement circles.

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html

Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am

40-gun cache

Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children

By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn,
46, for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and
her children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.
Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put
another person in fear of harm or death and one count of
making harassing phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail,
“What you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend)
and I means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye.
Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies and your
two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have
a .45 automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from
Oklahoma City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening
to kill himself and requesting to be put in protective custody.
He had been self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland,
Texas Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and
the pig cop that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

When charges were not filed, Horn’s guns were returned.

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after
he interviewed the man, the police report said.

“I am God, and I also still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a
bullet with your name on it,” Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along
with a  computer with images of young girls. No information
was given on possible charges related to the images.

Horn’s father allegedly said his son was mentally unstable
and a potential danger to himself and others.

Boydston’s investigation

The report listed a number of dates associated with the case.
The timeline of events and Boydston’s investigation is as follows:

Sept. 1, 2005 — a threatening call made to the Garland, Texas
police station

Dec. 15, 2005 — Oklahoma City Det. Ron Bradford and an inspector
interview Bradford’s “former girlfriend” who said he bought a
rifle from Wal-mart while on a date

Dec. 21, 2005 — Oklahoma City Police confiscate 21 firearms,
talk to suspect;
eventually firearms are returned and no charges filed

Oct. 30, 2006 — Boydston receives the case. He interviews the
victim and takes a look at the e-mails and the profile of the
suspect on an Internet dating Web site.

Nov. 2, 2006 — Boydston contacts the OU Police Department’s
Health Services Division and gets them to search their database;
he identifies the suspect, interviews him and later receives a
phone call.

Nov. 3, 2006 — Boydston meets with Judge Russell Hall at 10 a.m.
and obtains a warrant for Horn’s arrest.
At 4 p.m. Boydston meets with the Will Rogers Division of the
Oklahoma City Police Department and receives information about
their previous investigation of Horn.

Tuesday — charges filed by Spencer Police

Thursday — Oklahoma City Police arrest Horn at his home

**************************************************************************
***********

http://www.newsok.com/article/3014189/

Sat February 17, 2007
City man faces charges of using computer to threaten, harass
By Ann Kelley
Staff Writer

SPENCER — An Oklahoma City man is charged with threatening to
kill a woman and a Spencer police officer who was investigating
the woman's claims that the man was stalking her.

Steven Craig Horn, 41, was charged Wednesday in Oklahoma County
District Court with two felony counts of using a computer to put
another person in fear of death, and a misdemeanor charge of
making harassing telephone calls.

Horn was arrested Nov. 9 after police served a search warrant
at his home and confiscated 40 firearms, computers and computer
disks, according to court records.

According to court records, Hamm was investigating a complaint
>from Melanie Gay Jenkins of Spencer, who gave police two
threatening e-mails from Horn.

Horn remains free on $5,000 bail.

**************************************************************************
************

Steven Craig Horn aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
me@privacy.com
4w2weez02@sneakemail.com

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:18:27 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,tx.general,alt.homosexual
Subject: NO GROSVENOR Posting !Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay
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Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  =
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet 
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to 
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief.
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries.
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems 
that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit,
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on the 
gray
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world top-rated
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:18:27 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.homosexual,alt.homosexuality
Subject: Which Frank Arthur Is the Fraud - All of Us
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The poster using Arthur Franks is a fraud, and a homosexual pervert [me].
I sometimes use "Grosvenor of Canada" or often I use many
fraudulent names.
Garbage like me, Frank Arthur causes distrust among readers here.

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.
The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
Since I am insane, I say that I am not posting, even when I do.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show
on the gray tab [which only I can see] :
Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

Many people think that I am really gay Ken McVay, hehehe


"ArthurFranks"  wrote in message
news:00p6331s533i0q6ae5lpmp4vn9ra56usej@4ax.com...

> >On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:14:11 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
> >wrote:

>>>The poster using Frank Arthur IS a fraud.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case
- no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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From: Frank Arthur 
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Subject: STEVE Craig HORN[Caduceus} FAMILY - ALL CRIMINALS!
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Caduceus 'family tree' is full  of so many convicted criminals

CRIMINALS RUN RAMPANT IN THE HORN FAMILY.

Steven Craig Horn aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@fusemail.com

It is no wonder Steve Horn is a criminal seeing how his brother is a 
convicted
criminal himself.

It is no wonder Steve's mind is demented and ill because he most likely
partook of his criminal
brother's goods.

More details on Steve's criminal brother Alfred Lee and Steve's criminal
nephew Alfred Lee Jr and
as a bonus Steve "Caduceus" Horn's other brother [David] is also an ex-con.

Seems the Horn clan
is just another collection of "po white trash."

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=
true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=75034&db=Appellate

IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA

-
ALFRED LEE HORN,
          Appellant,
v.
State Of  Oklahoma,
          Appellee.  No. F-2000-335
(Felony)

Filed: 03/20/2000
Closed: 07/25/2001

Appealed from: COAL County District Court

Parties
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 HORN, ALFRED LEE , Appellant
STATE OF OKLAHOMA , Appellee

Attorneys
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 Attorney Represented Parties
Attorney General Of Oklahoma(Bar # )
313 NE 21st Street
******Interagency Mail*****
,  STATE OF OKLAHOMA

Burgess, Lowell Rayford(Bar # 1323)
PO BOX 1116
ANTLERS, OK 74523

Coal County District Attorney(Bar # )
4 N. MAIN
COALGATE, OK 74538

Danner, Cindy Brown(Bar # 12583)
P. O. BOX 926
NORMAN, OK 73070  HORN ALFRED LEE

McCarty, Lisbeth Lynn(Bar # 10896)
P. O. BOX 926
NORMAN, OK 73070

Events
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 Event Party Docket Reporter

Lower Court Counts and Other Information
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 Count Case Number Statute Crime Special Sentence Judge Reporter
-  CF-1999-45  -  delivery of methamphetamine   30 years and 10,000.00 fine
consecutive with others
  (1-3) Gabbard, II, Doug Soukup, Debra A.
4  -  -  trafficking   40 years and 25,000.00 fine consecutive with others
Adams, Jo Dean E.
5  -  -  cultivation of marijuana   30 years and 10,000.00 fine consecutive
with others
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
End of Transmission.

Current status of Caduceus' brother Alfred Lee Horn:

DOC Number
0000369589 Name
HORN,ALFRED LEE
Date of Birth Oct 13 1955
Gender M
Race WHITE
Hair Color BROWN
Eye Color BROWN
Height (feet)5  Height (inches) 9
Weight 213
Last Move Date  Dec 29 2006
Facility MACK ALFORD CORRECTIONAL CENTER
County of Address COAL
City of Address  LEHIGH
State of Address OK
Zip Code 74556

DOC Number 0000369589
Name  HORN,ALFRED LEE

Sentences:

DOC Number 0000369589
Statute Code 63-2-401
Statute Code Description DIST OF CDS/POSS W/INTENT
Issuing Agency  COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Mar 30 2000
CRF Number 99-45
Status ACTIVE  [IOW Alfred Lee Horn is still in prison]
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000030.00

DOC Number 0000369589
Statute Code 63-2-415
Statute Code Description  TRAFFICKING IN ILLEGAL DRUGS
Issuing Agency COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Mar 30 2000
CRF Number 99-45
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type  DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000040.00

DOC Number 0000369589
Statute Code 63-2-509
Statute Code Description CULTIVATION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Mar 30 2000 CRF Number 99-45
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000030.00
--------------------------------------

Remember everyone Alfred Lee Horn's sentences were not to be served
simultaneously or
con-currently but Alfred Lee Horn's three sentences were to be served
consecutively. IOW
100 years. Repeated from above:
-  CF-1999-45  -  delivery of methamphetamine   30 years and 10,000.00 fine
consecutive with others
4  -  -  trafficking   40 years and 25,000.00 fine consecutive with others
5  -  -  cultivation of marijuana   30 years and 10,000.00 fine consecutive
with others

Now for Alfred Lee Horn Jr [Steve "Caduceus" Horn's nephew] and his 
criminal
record:

DOC Number  0000494575
Name  HORN,ALFRED LEE JR
Date of Birth  Jun 9 1982
Gender  M
Race WHITE
Hair Color  BROWN
Eye Color  BLUE
Build MEDIUM
Height (feet) 5  Height (inches) 8
Weight 185
Last Move Date Dec 19 2006
Facility  SOUTHEAST DISTRICT OFFICE
County of Address COAL
City of Address LEHIGH
State of Address OK
Zip Code 74556

Sentences

DOC Number 0000494575
Statute Code  63-2-402
Statute Code Description POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency  COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Apr 24 2003
CRF Number 2003-13
Status SENTENCED TO P&P/CSD
Sentence Type DEFERRED SENTENCE
Incarcerated Term (years)
Probation Term (years) 000000005.00

DOC Number 0000494575
Statute Code 63-2-402
Statute Code Description POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Feb 14 2006
CRF Number 2003-13
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000005.00
Probation Term (years)

[Looks like Alfred Lee Jr didn't learn a thing while on probation so he
repeated his stupidity and was
incarcerated]

Now for Steve "Caduceus" Horn's other miscreant brother David who is a 
violent
low life just like
"Caduceus":

DOC Number 0000123383
Name HORN,DAVID WAYNE
Date of Birth Dec 31 1962
Gender M
Race WHITE
Hair Color BLONDE
Eye Color BLUE
Build MEDIUM
Height (feet)5  Height (inches) 8
Weight 150
Last Move Date Jun 5 2007
Facility  OKLAHOMA STATE PENITENTIARY
County of Address TULSA
City of Address TULSA
State of Address OK
Zip Code 74115

Sentences

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 47-4-102
Statute Code Description UNAUTHORIZED USE OF A VEHICLE  [IOW a car thief]
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 27 1989
CRF Number 89-3536
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000002.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-1531
Statute Code Description FALSE PERSONATION
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date Aug 30 1991
CRF Number 90-4615
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000001.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-443
Statute Code Description ESCAPE FROM CONFINEMENT
Issuing Agency MUSKOGEE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Feb 29 2000
CRF Number 90-215
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type SPLIT
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000004.00
Probation Term (years) 000000006.00

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code  63-2-402
Statute Code Description POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date May 30 1995
CRF Number 95-1694
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000007.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 47-11-902
Statute Code Description DUI - LIQUOR OR DRUGS/APCV
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date Feb 29 2000
CRF Number 2000-57
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000001.50
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number
0000123383 Statute Code 21-1721
Statute Code Description TAPPING OIL/GAS TANK/PIPELINE
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000007.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-1721
Statute Code Description TAPPING OIL/GAS TANK/PIPELINE
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type PAROLE REVOCATION
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000003.58
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 63-2-401.G
Statute Code Description MANUFACTURE OF CDS
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000007.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number
0000123383 Statute Code 63-2-401.G
Statute Code Description MANUFACTURE OF CDS
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type  PAROLE REVOCATION
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000003.58
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 63-2-402  Statute Code Description
POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Oct 29 2004
CRF Number 2002-136
Status DISCHARGED
Sentence Type PAROLE
Incarcerated Term (years)
Probation Term (years) 000000003.56

[After going through all of the above shit for brains David Horn does
the following]:

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-645
Statute Code Description ASSAULT &/OR BATTERY W/DANGEROUS WEAPON
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date May 25 2007
CRF Number 2006-220
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type SUSPENDED
Incarcerated Term (years)
Probation Term (years) 000000002.00

David Horn was out of jail long enough to sign for a summons being served 
on
Steven "Caduceus" Horn:
PROOF OF SERVICE ON SUMMONS SERVED ON STEVEN HORN BY LEAVING COPY W/DAVID
HORN, BROTHER ON 4/17/06 AT HIS USUAL
PLACE OF RESIDENCE. Document Available (#1002939474)
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getimage.tif?submitted=true&casem
asterid=2029891&db=OKLAHOMA&barcode=1002939474

David is probably still living with father Alfred Harvie, mother Carolyn 
and
his mutual fuck up brother
Steven "Caduceus" Horn who is about to go to prison himself to keep up the
tradition of the _Band of Brothers_.

Brief review of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's mentally ill deeds [edited for
brevity]:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=
true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

The information contained in this report is provided in compliance with the
Oklahoma Open Records Act,
51 O.S. 24A.1. Use of this information is governed by this act, as well as
other applicable state and federal laws.
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IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

Filed: 02/13/2007

Judge: Elliott, Ray C.

Parties
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 HORN, STEVEN CRAIG , Defendant
Spencer Police Department , ARRESTING AGENCY
STATE OF OKLAHOMA , Plaintiff

Attorneys
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 Attorney Represented Parties
Gile, Merle(Bar # )
120 N. ROBINSON
STE 2900
OKC,, OK 73102  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG

Events
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PRETRIAL CONFERENCE(PTC)  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG Ray C. Elliott
Wednesday, November 21, 2007 at 13:30 PM
PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 1X(PTC)  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG Ray C. Elliott
Monday, January 28, 2008 at 9:00 AM
JURY TRIAL (ISSUE)(JTI)  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG Ray C. Elliott

Counts
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 Parties appear only under the counts with which they were charged. For
complete sentence information,
see the court minute on the docket.


Count # 1.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER 
SYSTEM
TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON
IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/08/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Pending.

Count # 2.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER 
SYSTEM
TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON
IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/13/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Pending.

Count # 3.
Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL , in violation of 
21
O.S. 1172
Date Of Offense: 11/02/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Pending.

Docket
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 Date Code Count Party Serial # Entry Date
01-10-2007  AF/SW  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  51701020  Aug 16 2007 
10:05:47:137AM
-  $ 0.00
 AFFIDAVIT AND RETURN OF SEARCH WARRANT/SW-7-11
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
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02-12-2007  WAI$  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178110  Feb 14 2007 
10:38:21:340AM
Realized  $ 50.00
 WARRANT OF ARREST ISSUED, JUDGE: RUSSELL HALL - BOND AMOUNT: $5,000.00

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02-13-2007  TEXT  1  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50164773  Feb 13 2007 
9:03:55:877AM
-  $ 0.00
 CRIMINAL FELONY INITIAL FILING.
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02-13-2007  INFORMATION  1  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178973  Feb 14 2007
11:19:59:480AM  -  $ 0.00
 DEFENDANT STEVEN CRAIG HORN WAS CHARGED WITH COUNT #1, USING A COMPUTER,
COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER
SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HAR
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
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02-13-2007  INFORMATION  2  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178974  Feb 14 2007
11:19:45:130AM  -  $ 0.00
 DEFENDANT STEVEN CRAIG HORN WAS CHARGED WITH COUNT #2, USING A COMPUTER,
COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER
SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HAR
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02-13-2007  INFORMATION  3  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178975  Feb 14 2007
11:19:45:130AM  -  $ 0.00
 DEFENDANT STEVEN CRAIG HORN WAS CHARGED WITH COUNT #3, MAKING A HARASSING
TELEPHONE CALL IN VIOLATION
OF 21 O.S. 1172
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02-13-2007  TEXT  -   50164774  Feb 13 2007 9:03:55:887AM  -  $ 0.00
 OCIS HAS AUTOMATICALLY ASSIGNED JUDGE ELLIOTT, RAY C. TO THIS CASE.
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03-15-2007  BO  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50433433  Mar 15 2007 2:46:26:013PM
Realized  $ 10.00
 PROFESSIONAL BOND FOR HORN, STEVEN CRAIG POSTED BY WALKER, JEANNIE
(PROFESSIONAL:ZIEGLER, VERNIE)
(POWER NUMBER:CB5-32301 ), IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,000.00, POSTED 02/15/2007($
10.00)
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
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03-15-2007  CTARRPL  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50445674  Mar 16 2007
1:47:36:060PM  -  $ 0.00
 HALL: DEFENDANT PRESENT, OUT OF CUSTODY AND REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL, MERLE
GILE. ARRAIGNMENT HELD.
DEFENDANT WAIVES READING OF THE INFORMATION AND FURTHER TIME TO PLEAD.
DEFENDANT ENTERS A PLEA OF
NOT GUILTY. PRELIMINARY HEARING CONFERENCE SET FOR 04/26/07 @ 1:30PM BEFORE
JUDGE GREGORY RYAN/ BOND
SET IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,000
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Report Generated by The Oklahoma Court Information System at December 11, 
2007
0:39 AM
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End of Transmission.

HISTORY OF HORN'S CRIMINAL ACTS:
http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html

Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
40-gun cache

Man arrested for alleged threats against woman's children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

	An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman's
children
was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.
	Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn for
allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her children by
e-mail and for making a harassing phone call. Horn was charged with two
counts of using a computer to put another person in fear of harm or death
and one count of making harassing phone calls.
	According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, "What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I means
that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I'm GOD. I decide who
lives and who dies and your two boys die."
	In another, he is alleged to have written, "Remember I have a .45
automatic
and can take your b.....d sons out."
	Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City
Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill himself and
requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been self-medicating 
with
Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.
	Boydston's report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
from
Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been investigating a
threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas Police. Horn 
allegedly
threatened to "shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her (his former
girlfriend) a ticket."
	Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn's phone after he
interviewed
the man, the police report said. "I am God, and I also still have my Ruger
P-90 and it
has a bullet with your name on it," Horn reportedly told him.
	A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn's home along with a
computer
with images of young girls. [Notice Steve "Caduceus" Horn had pictures of
young girls on
his computer thus indicating "Caduceus" is a potential pedophile/child
molester] No information
was given on possible charges related to the images. [Those images must 
have
been pretty
explicit for that statement to be made]
	Horn's father allegedly said his son was mentally unstable and a
potential
danger to himself and others. [Steve's own father admits Steve is a twisted
person IOW]

Boydston's investigation:
The report listed a number of dates associated with the case. The timeline 
of
events and Boydston's investigation is as follows:
Sept. 1, 2005 - a threatening call made to the Garland, Texas police 
station
Dec. 15, 2005 - Oklahoma City Det. Ron Bradford and an inspector interview
Bradford's "former girlfriend" who said he bought a rifle from Wal-mart 
while
on
a date
Dec. 21, 2005 - Oklahoma City Police confiscate 21 firearms, talk to 
suspect;
eventually firearms are returned and no charges filed
Oct. 30, 2006 - Boydston receives the case. He interviews the victim and 
takes
a
look at the e-mails and the profile of the suspect on an Internet dating 
Web
site.
Nov. 2, 2006 - Boydston contacts the OU Police Department's Health Services
Division and gets them to search their database; he identifies the suspect,
interviews
him and later receives a phone call.
Nov. 3, 2006 - Boydston meets with Judge Russell Hall at 10 a.m. and 
obtains a
warrant for Horn's arrest. At 4 p.m. Boydston meets with the Will Rogers
Division of the Oklahoma City Police Department and receives information 
about
their
previous investigation of Horn.
Tuesday - charges filed by Spencer Police
Thursday - Oklahoma City Police arrest Horn at his home
**************************************************************************
***********
http://www.newsok.com/article/3014189/

Sat February 17, 2007
City man faces charges of using computer to threaten, harass
By Ann Kelley
Staff Writer

SPENCER - An Oklahoma City man is charged with threatening to kill a woman 
and
a
Spencer police officer who was investigating the woman's claims that the 
man
was
stalking her.

Steven Craig Horn, 41, was charged Wednesday in Oklahoma County District 
Court
with two felony counts of using a computer to put another person in fear of
death, and a
misdemeanor charge of making harassing telephone calls.

Horn was arrested Nov. 9 after police served a search warrant at his home 
and
confiscated 40 firearms, computers and computer disks, according to court
records.
According to court records, Hamm was investigating a complaint from Melanie
Gay
Jenkins of Spencer, who gave police two threatening e-mails from Horn.

Horn remains free on $5,000 bail.
**************************************************************************
************

updates forthcoming

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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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Holohoax Calendar: January 10 = McVay TAX FRAUD

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McVay TAX FRAUD Is Causing  B'Nai Brith Canada Break Up!! Latest

In the issue of Canadian Jew News for January 31 2008, again over 
2 pages - pages 5 and 45, is a headline story about the ongoing
battle between past executives of BB, and the current group running
BB.

Three police officers had been hired by the current group, to prevent 
former executive members of BB, with an average membership of over 
40 years, from attending a meeting on Monday 21 January 2008.

In the issue of Canadian Jew News for January 17 2008, 
there is a 2 page banner headline story about the ongoing 
problems at B'nai Brith Canada caused by this scandal.

On pages 6 and 17 of this issue, is a huge article about the existing 
managers of BB wanting to remove as members the dissident past 
presidents and long time members, who have been questioning the 
mismanagement and financial irregularities.

Some of the past executives now want the whole mess to go to Court,
so that the public will get proof of the irregularities, such as 
ILLEGAL CHARITABLE DONATION RECEIPTS FOR PAYMENTS 
TO McVAY'S BUSINESS!!

McVay TAX FRAUD Causing  B'Nai Brith Canada to Break Up!!
Also, it is stimulating Canadian & USA Tax FRAUD Investigations!
Full text of article follows at bottom of comments.
The article is from the JEW newspaper, so it must be true!

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:15:02 -0800, in can.politics Greg Carr
 wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:35:11 -0700, SteveHorn 
wrote:

Canadian Jew News had  a huge banner headline story, over 2 pages,
[pages 12 & 28] in the issue of December 6 2007 regarding a major 
scandal involving the current BB Canada  managers.

Since this is a ZYD newspaper, it can not be called anti-semitic.
Published for jews, it MUST be TRUE,even if it does expose crooks!!

It seems that large group of past presidents, and BB lodge presidents,
are even considering breaking away from the present BB and setting 
up a new jew charity group.

Apparently the present gang running BB have refused to provide 
audited  financial statements before the AGM, as required. members 
are concerned about  what is happening to all the funds collected.

For example, is the money being LAUNDERED for the BUSINESS 
RUN BY Shabbas-Goy Ken McVay LEGAL?

Henry Gimpel a former regional BB Chair, said that a core
group of 15-20 former BB executives,are extremely concerned.

Gimpel has stated that"problems really started when we stopped 
getting financial statements in advance of the AGMs"

"Everything was manipulated."

We want accountability. We are raising funds for B'nai Brith.
How is that money used?
Where does it go?
We don't know."

Since Ken McVay has been outed as being involved in
ILLEGAL MONEY LAUNDERING WITH BB, and responsible for
fraudulent tax charity receipts from Bb, no wonder
executives of BB are very concerned.

JEWS ONCE AGAIN ABUSING THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS TO FUND 
A NON-EXEMPT NIZKOR.ORG IN ELABORATE MONEY LAUNDERING 
AND KICKBACK SCAM? IRS & CRA WHERE ARE YOU?


JEWS ARE INDICTED FOR TAX FRAUD IN AMERICA:
http://www.pgdc.com/usa/item/?itemID=932870
  Thursday, January 10, 2008 Posted: 1:42 AM EST
Religious Leader and Others Indicted on Charitable Contribution
Scheme; Other Tax Fraud

A federal grand jury has handed down a 37-count indictment against the
head of a religious organization and related parties for conspiracy to
defraud the United States and agencies thereof. The numerous
allegations include a fraudulent charitable contribution and kickback
scheme that resulted in claimed deductions of up to 20 times the
amount actually contributed, international money laundering, mail and
wire fraud, and filing false income tax returns.


BROOKLYN RABBI AND SEVERAL ASSOCIATES CHARGED IN 
SOPHISTICATED  TAX FRAUD AND MONEY LAUNDERING SCHEME
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE ABOVE CON-GAME MIRRORS WHAT B'NAI BRITH DOES WITH 
NIZKOR.ORG RUN BY CONFIDENCE MAN KENNETH NEAL MCVAY.

Canadian Jewish News
Battle brewing at B'nai Brith Canada
By PAUL LUNGEN, Staff Reporter
Thursday, 06 December 2007

TORONTO - A nasty battle is brewing at B'nai Brith Canada (BBC) over
allegations the organization's head office has centralized too much
power and is unaccountable to members - despite a decision of B'nai
Brith International's (BBI) court of appeal that appears to have
addressed the issue.

At least three former senior officials of B'nai Brith Canada are
raising concerns over a lack of accountability and transparency at
BBC's head office in Toronto. ...

Henry Gimpel, the onetime regional chair, said a core group of 15 to
20 people, four of them past presidents of BBC, others onetime lodge
presidents, are concerned about the direction the organization has
been taking.

A native of South Africa who immigrated to Canada 20 years ago, Gimpel
said that "problems really started when we stopped getting financial
statements" in advance of the AGMs about seven years ago and when
slates of officers began being chosen by acclamation.
"Everything was manipulated," he said.

"We want accountability. We are raising funds for B'nai Brith. How is
that money used? Where does it go? We don't know."


[Since Ken McVay [The Nizkor Project] has been outed as being involved
in ILLEGAL MONEY LAUNDERING WITH BB, and responsible for fraudulent
tax
charity receipts from BB, no wonder executives of BB are very
concerned.
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
"NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam"
Message-ID: 
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
"Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?"
Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457msmetlim0g1k5ib1f@4ax.com> ]

http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13693&Itemid=86

http://tinyurl.com/3ceybq

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:XWq_EgV_AFYJ:www.cjnews.com/
index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D13693%26
Itemid%3D86+%22Battle+brewing+at+B%27nai+Brith+Canada%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl
=us&lr=lang_en


Kenneth McVay's American money laundering operation exposed;
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/7e8cbfce5f14ee8c?fwc=1
"The reason Canadian Kenneth McVay is distancing himself from the San
Antonio
Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund? (It's illegal for one thing!)"
Message-ID: <1o9ch2pv1bc148161ihkt26ngjteacj4p8@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e0028c076ac46510?fwc=1
"Kenneth N McVay is a Goy Mamzer Totally Owned by Jewry"
Message-ID: 97ba28fa14b592c4ca0079950858babe@remailer.metacolo.com


B'NAI BRITH, SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION AND NIZKOR.ORG SHOULD ALL 
BE SHUT DOWN AND THE PERPETRATORS IN EACH INSTITUTION MUST BE 
PROSECUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW. THEIR TAX EVASIONS
SCHEMES
ARE CRIMES AGAINST THE WORKING PEOPLE; CRIMES WHICH SHOULD NOT 
GO UNPUNISHED.


JEWS ONCE AGAIN ABUSING THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS TO FUND A NON-EXEMPT
NIZKOR.ORG IN ELABORATE MONEY LAUNDERING AND KICKBACK SCAM? 
IRS & CRA WHERE ARE YOU?



For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or KenMcVay@vex.net
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.

>Canadian Jew News had  a huge banner headline story, over 2 pages,
>[pages 12 & 28] in the issue of December 6 2007 regarding a major 
>scandal involving the current BB Canada  managers.

>Since this is a ZYD newspaper, it can not be called anti-semitic.
>Published for jews, it MUST be TRUE!!

So stupid why didn't you show the url?
The entire original article is below, cretin.

>No wonder honest jews are incenced!

>It seems that large group of past presidents, and BB lodge presidents,
>are even considering breaking away from the present BB and setting 
>up a new jew charity group.

>Apparently the present gang running BB have refused to provide 
>audited  financial statements before the AGM, as required. members 
>are concerned about  what is happening to all the funds collected.

>For example, is the money being LAUNDERED for the BUSINESS 
>RUN BY Shabbas-Goy Ken McVay LEGAL?

Ken McVay uber alles.

>Henry Gimpel a former regional BB Chair, said that a core
>group of 15-20 former BB executives,are extremely concerned.

Battle brewing at B'nai Brith Canada  
By PAUL LUNGEN, Staff Reporter     
Thursday, 06 December 2007  
TORONTO - A nasty battle is brewing at B'nai Brith Canada (BBC) over
allegations the organization's head office has centralized too much
power and is unaccountable to members - despite a decision of B'nai
Brith International's (BBI) court of appeal that appears to have
addressed the issue.

At least three former senior officials of B'nai Brith Canada are
raising concerns over a lack of accountability and transparency at
BBC's head office in Toronto. Dissatisfaction is so great there has
been talk of breaking away to form a new service organization, one of
the ex-officials said.

At the same time, a group calling themselves "concerned members of
B'nai Brith Canada" have launched a newsletter purporting to offer
"BBC news without the spin." Its May 10, 2007, inaugural issue states
the group's goal is to "end the current dysfunctional corporate
governance at BBC and restore it to its once prominent position as a
respected and admired organization both inside and outside the Jewish
community." The group claims to represent lodge past presidents, BBC
past presidents, members of BBC's board of governors and national
administrative board.

The group's concerns were first reported in the New York-based paper
the Forward.

BBC's head office, meanwhile, rejects outright any suggestion there is
anything amiss in the organization's corporate governance. Frank
Dimant, BBC's executive vice-president, said all institutional changes
have been passed lawfully and complaints regarding the organization's
corporate structure have been definitively rejected by B'nai Brith
International's (BBI) highest appeal court. BBI is BBC's parent
organization.

In interviews with The CJN, two former national presidents and a past
chair of the Toronto regional co-ordinating committee said too much
power is concentrated at the organization's head office in Toronto and
the service group's 4,000 members are being shut out of
decision-making. They called for greater corporate accountability and
transparency, particularly strict adherence to the organization's
constitution, which requires the presentation of audited financial
statements prior to the annual general meeting  (AGM).

Henry Gimpel, the onetime regional chair, said a core group of 15 to
20 people, four of them past presidents of BBC, others onetime lodge
presidents, are concerned about the direction the organization has
been taking.

A native of South Africa who immigrated to Canada 20 years ago, Gimpel
said that "problems really started when we stopped getting financial
statements" in advance of the AGMs about seven years ago and when
slates of officers began being chosen by acclamation.

"Everything was manipulated," he said.

"We want accountability. We are raising funds for B'nai Brith. How is
that money used? Where does it go? We don't know."

Gimpel suggested B'nai Brith might face a serious revolt of the lodges
if the organization is not more responsive - perhaps even a
"breakaway" by some. "They're getting more and more fed up. There's
been talk about it," he said.

Morley Wolfe and Harvey Crestohl - both BBC past presidents - said
they want to see B'nai Brith revert to a more democratic,
representative and transparent organization.

Most BBC members don't know or don't care about the goings-on at
headquarters, Wolfe said. They are content to participate in lodge
activities and don't realize the organization has changed, he added.

He discounted suggestions that lodges might break away. BBC "still
does good work," he said.

What he is after is reform.

"I'm not trying to destroy the organization," he said. "I'm trying to
get some accountability and transparency."

Crestohl, who served as BBC president in the late 1970s and who has
been a lodge member for 51 years, said he and the other past
presidents would like to see more BBC members get involved in
organizational governance.

"We need a grassroots movement. We also need some leaders in the
community who give support to B'nai Brith to realize what's going on
and exert their influence on those running things to revert to being a
democratically run organization," he said.

Dimant stated that BBI's appeals court considered all the criticisms
and on July 20, 2007, ruled that "all the accusations have been
debunked."

"This kind of guerrilla war is baseless and has been judged to be
without merit, without basis and can only be harmful to the total
Jewish community," he said.

Dimant said B'nai Brith Canada has adopted a new constitution and
rules of governance similar to those employed by many other Jewish
organizations.

In particular, its constitution mirrors that of BBI. The change was
designed to strengthen its governance practices, stated BBC national
president Gerry Weinstein.

BBC provided The CJN with a one-paragraph statement quoting the BBI
appeals court judgment, but it did not provide any supporting
documentation.

The court ruled: "Having carefully reviewed all the pleadings,
arguments and documentation put forward by the parties, the justices
of this honourable court do unanimously find that there is no basis to
the complaints on which the appellants rely. The amended constitution
of B'nai Brith Canada was duly passed at a legally constituted meeting
of the organization within its governing body's full jurisdiction. No
irregularity in the procedures followed by B'nai Brith Canada has been
made out that would invoke the jurisdiction of this court.
Accordingly, the appeal is hereby dismissed."

Dimant said despite the court's finding, "you have some disgruntled
members, a handful, very small."

He said some have ties to The CJN and can be said to have a personal
conflict of interest in seeking to undermine BBC's Jewish Tribune
newspaper.

As for the others, "we are talking about some individuals who like to
think history was different at one point. I think lots of people want
to recapture youth and reflect on things that didn't happen the way
they remembered.

"My concern is that BBC is a leading Jewish organization, high
profile, which has great government relations. Our League [for Human
Rights] is doing a superb job to battle anti-Semitism. It would seem
to me the energies of these people should be directed forward to help
the Jewish community," he said.

For his part, Gimpel rejects the BBI court decision, calling it "a
travesty of justice."

He speculated that three, perhaps four lodges accounting for 25 per
cent of BBC's membership might eventually leave the organization.

"I give B'nai Brith two years if this carries on. Members are getting
fed up… The lodges will be gone."

http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13693&Itemid=86


In other words at worst only 20% will leave. Jews argue it is well
documented in the Bible. One person has a complaint and no one else of
the Jewish faith is backing him.
 
  
>Gimpel has stated that"problems really started when we stopped 
>getting financial statements in advance of the AGMs"

>"Everything was manipulated."

>We want accountability. We are raising funds for B'nai Brith.
>How is that money used?
>Where does it go?
>We don't know."

>Since Ken McVay has been outed as being involved in
>ILLEGAL MONEY LAUNDERING WITH BB, and responsible for
>fraudulent tax charity receipts from Bb, no wonder
>executives of BB are very concerned.

>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
>for JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com

>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION
>WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case -
>no wonder people around the world are really disliking the
>Christkiller ZHIDS!!

The Romans killed the LORD not Jews. You Nazis don't even tithe.
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org

Does he still clean the toilets of Turks?
>IHR - www.ihr.org

>Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org

Under constant FBI surveillance and the SCPL as well.
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
>Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
or KenMcVay@vex.net
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From: Caduceus@eris.io.com
Date: Sat,  5 Jan 2008 21:10:15 +0000 (UTC)

Canadian Jewish News
Battle Brewing at B'nai Brith Canada
By PAUL LUNGEN, Staff Reporter
Thursday, 06 December 2007

TORONTO - A nasty battle is brewing at B'nai Brith Canada (BBC) over
allegations the organization's head office has centralized too much
power and is unaccountable to members - despite a decision of B'nai
Brith International's (BBI) court of appeal that appears to have
addressed the issue.

At least three former senior officials of B'nai Brith Canada are
raising concerns over a lack of accountability and transparency at
BBC's head office in Toronto. Dissatisfaction is so great there has
been talk of breaking away to form a new service organization, one of
the ex-officials said.

At the same time, a group calling themselves "concerned members of
B'nai Brith Canada" have launched a newsletter purporting to offer
"BBC news without the spin." Its May 10, 2007, inaugural issue states
the group's goal is to "end the current dysfunctional corporate
governance at BBC and restore it to its once prominent position as a
respected and admired organization both inside and outside the Jewish
community." The group claims to represent lodge past presidents, BBC
past presidents, members of BBC's board of governors and national
administrative board.

The group's concerns were first reported in the New York-based paper
the Forward.

BBC's head office, meanwhile, rejects outright any suggestion there is
anything amiss in the organization's corporate governance. Frank
Dimant, BBC's executive vice-president, said all institutional changes
have been passed lawfully and complaints regarding the organization's
corporate structure have been definitively rejected by B'nai Brith
International's (BBI) highest appeal court. BBI is BBC's parent
organization.

In interviews with The CJN, two former national presidents and a past
chair of the Toronto regional co-ordinating committee said too much
power is concentrated at the organization's head office in Toronto and
the service group's 4,000 members are being shut out of
decision-making. They called for greater corporate accountability and
transparency, particularly strict adherence to the organization's
constitution, which requires the presentation of audited financial
statements prior to the annual general meeting  (AGM).

Henry Gimpel, the onetime regional chair, said a core group of 15 to
20 people, four of them past presidents of BBC, others onetime lodge
presidents, are concerned about the direction the organization has
been taking.

A native of South Africa who immigrated to Canada 20 years ago, Gimpel
said that "problems really started when we stopped getting financial
statements" in advance of the AGMs about seven years ago and when
slates of officers began being chosen by acclamation.

"Everything was manipulated," he said.

"We want accountability. We are raising funds for B'nai Brith. How is
that money used? Where does it go? We don't know."

[Since Ken McVay [The Nizkor Project] has been outed as being involved
in ILLEGAL MONEY LAUNDERING WITH BB, and responsible for fraudulent
tax
charity receipts from BB, no wonder executives of BB are very
concerned.
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/a8a3cb995ab2448f?fwc=1
 "NIZKOR.ORG and B'nai Brith's Funding Kick Backs and Tax Scam"
 Message-ID: 
http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/8a5017cb6fa55b20?fwc=1
 "Is NIZKOR.ORG Running a Self Serving Endowment Fund Scam?"
 Message-ID: <6vttb1hmmg9m76457msmetlim0g1k5ib1f@4ax.com> ]

Gimpel suggested B'nai Brith might face a serious revolt of the lodges
if the organization is not more responsive - perhaps even a
"breakaway" by some. "They're getting more and more fed up. There's
been talk about it," he said.

Morley Wolfe and Harvey Crestohl - both BBC past presidents - said
they want to see B'nai Brith revert to a more democratic,
representative and transparent organization.

Most BBC members don't know or don't care about the goings-on at
headquarters, Wolfe said. They are content to participate in lodge
activities and don't realize the organization has changed, he added.

He discounted suggestions that lodges might break away. BBC "still
does good work," he said.

What he is after is reform.

"I'm not trying to destroy the organization," he said. "I'm trying to
get some accountability and transparency."

Crestohl, who served as BBC president in the late 1970s and who has
been a lodge member for 51 years, said he and the other past
presidents would like to see more BBC members get involved in
organizational governance.

"We need a grassroots movement. We also need some leaders in the
community who give support to B'nai Brith to realize what's going on
and exert their influence on those running things to revert to being a
democratically run organization," he said.

Dimant stated that BBI's appeals court considered all the criticisms
and on July 20, 2007, ruled that "all the accusations have been
debunked."

"This kind of guerrilla war is baseless and has been judged to be
without merit, without basis and can only be harmful to the total
Jewish community," he said.

Dimant said B'nai Brith Canada has adopted a new constitution and
rules of governance similar to those employed by many other Jewish
organizations.

In particular, its constitution mirrors that of BBI. The change was
designed to strengthen its governance practices, stated BBC national
president Gerry Weinstein.

BBC provided The CJN with a one-paragraph statement quoting the BBI
appeals court judgment, but it did not provide any supporting
documentation.

The court ruled: "Having carefully reviewed all the pleadings,
arguments and documentation put forward by the parties, the justices
of this honourable court do unanimously find that there is no basis to
the complaints on which the appellants rely. The amended constitution
of B'nai Brith Canada was duly passed at a legally constituted meeting
of the organization within its governing body's full jurisdiction. No
irregularity in the procedures followed by B'nai Brith Canada has been
made out that would invoke the jurisdiction of this court.
Accordingly, the appeal is hereby dismissed."

Dimant said despite the court's finding, "you have some disgruntled
members, a handful, very small."

He said some have ties to The CJN and can be said to have a personal
conflict of interest in seeking to undermine BBC's Jewish Tribune
newspaper.

As for the others, "we are talking about some individuals who like to
think history was different at one point. I think lots of people want
to recapture youth and reflect on things that didn't happen the way
they remembered.

"My concern is that BBC is a leading Jewish organization, high
profile, which has great government relations. Our League [for Human
Rights] is doing a superb job to battle anti-Semitism. It would seem
to me the energies of these people should be directed forward to help
the Jewish community," he said.

For his part, Gimpel rejects the BBI court decision, calling it "a
travesty of justice."

He speculated that three, perhaps four lodges accounting for 25 per
cent of BBC's membership might eventually leave the organization.

"I give B'nai Brith two years if this carries on. Members are getting
fed up. The lodges will be gone."

http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13693&Itemid=86

http://tinyurl.com/3ceybq

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:XWq_EgV_AFYJ:www.cjnews.com/
index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D13693%26Itemid%3D86
+%22Battle+brewing+at+B%27nai+Brith+Canada%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&lr=lang_en

     Kenneth McVay's American money laundering operation exposed;

http://groups.google.com/group/can.general/msg/7e8cbfce5f14ee8c?fwc=1
"The reason Canadian Kenneth McVay is distancing himself from the San
Antonio
Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund? (It's illegal for one thing!)"
 Message-ID: <1o9ch2pv1bc148161ihkt26ngjteacj4p8@4ax.com>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e0028c076ac46510?fwc=1
"Kenneth N McVay is a Goy Mamzer Totally Owned by Jewry"
 Message-ID: <97ba28fa14b592c4ca0079950858babe@remailer.metacolo.com>


Even the past executives of BB did not know about the FRAUD INVOLVING
PAYMENTS
TO KEN McVAY, and the issuing of fraudulent charitable donation
receipts for 
payments to McVay's one man BUSINESS!!


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or KenMcVay@vex.net
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
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From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:18:40 EST 2009
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From: Art@Arthurian.com
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,can.general,alt.revisionism
Subject: NO GROSVENOR Posting ! Frank Arthur= Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay
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NO GROSVENOR Posting !Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay 

Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:18:42 EST 2009
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.palestine
Subject: Holocaust Hoax costs American taxpayers over $35 BILLION per year
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Holocaust Hoax costs American taxpayers over $35 BILLION per year

The Holocaust Hoax costs American taxpayers over $35 BILLION per year

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:26:45 GMT, in alt.revisionism "abc"

wrote:

"Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be
convinced 
that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax.

Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and 
fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers.
In 
1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in 
Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly
evident on 
all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter
found 
no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.

In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove
Leuchter's 
findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever
occurring.

The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely
faulty. 
These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically
sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the
Germans 
had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died
themselves, 
as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also,
no 
equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. 
Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the
chambers. 
There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls,
floors 
or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed.

Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one
body 
has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We
have 
been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these
persons died 
of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those
were 
murdered Germans, not Jews. Roughly the equivalent of ten football
fields 
should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, yet not
one 
body has ever been discovered.

The Germans documented everything in meticulous detail from shrubbery
to 
arbors, but no pre-war or wartime plans or documents exist that detail
or 
even mention any gas chambers for reasons of genocide. All documents
ever 
presented were drawn up AFTER the war.

Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every
so-called gas 
chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six
million 
Jews!

Even The Diary of Anne Frank is a hoax. Portions of the diary were
written 
with a ball point pen. These pens were not in use at the time Anne
Frank 
lived.

It is not denied concentration camps existed. Tragically, many died of
typhus or starvation, as often happens in such situations. There is, 
however, no evidence that any gassings occurred for the reasons of
genocide.

Israel continues to receive trillions of dollars worldwide as
retribution 
for Holocaust gassings. Our country has donated more money to Israel
than to 
any other country in the history of the world -- over $35 billion per
year, 
everything included. If not for our extravagantly generous gifts to
Israel, 
every family in America could afford a brand new Mercedes Benz. Surely
the 
American people would be outraged if they realized their hard-earned
money 
is being squandered in these difficult times.

With all this money at stake for Israel, it is easy to comprehend why
this 
Holocaust hoax is so secretly guarded. The Jewish name for Holocaust
is 
"Shoah." In Zionist circles, it is known as "Shoah Business." If
nothing 
else, this unbelievable coverup demonstrates the irrepressible Zionist
influence and control of our country. Their only defense against the
facts 
is to cry out "antisemitic," "Skinhead" or "Nazi," whereas the
majority of 
those who question the Holocaust are ordinary citizens...though you
would 
never know it from the media.

In whatever way you can, please help shatter this profitable myth. It
is 
time we stop sacrificing America's welfare for the sake of Israel and
spend 
our hard-earned dollars on Americans.

(For more information contact The Institute for Historical Review P.O.
Box 
2739 Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA).

There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust
never 
existed. Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, (Pan Horizons edition,
Pan 
Books Ltd., London, 1989), indicates that the size of Auschwitz, the
most 
notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only 11,000
people 
(many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by the
Germans at 
the time of the Russian advance in 1945. Certainly, compared to
Spielberg's 
film, Schindler's List (which Emilie Schindler, Oskar's widow, said
was full 
of lies), and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of
Jews 
were systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small
number. 
Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have had
hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137
people PER 
HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been exterminated at such
small 
camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly impossible 
considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and The
Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed by
the 
entire German and Japanese war machines combined during WW2 (see
p.397-400 
of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People who would believe
the 
Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated by Hitler
must 
KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY
FEW 
OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WW2.
On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A. Lindbergh 
broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that
when 
Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following WW2, he
was 
told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic tells
us that 
25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In fact, it 
doesn't even equal 600,000. . . .

It is an interesting fact that the number of so-called persecuted Jews
KEEPS 
INCREASING. Hal Greenwald, program director for the Hillel Foundation
at 
Duke University, a Jewish student group, has been promoting the idea
that 
NINE MILLION JEWS WERE EXTERMINATED IN HITLER'S GAS CHAMBERS (New York
Times, Nov. 9, 1991, AP). NOW IT'S 9 MILLION AND GROWING. ..JUST LIKE
OUR 
DEBT/TAX MONEY SUPPLY...THE NUMBERS JUST KEEP COMING OUT OF THIN AIR.
. 
.(The Bible Caused Economic and Financial Slavery in the New World
Order by 
Lee Cheney)".

Read the entire article online in depth:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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NO GROSVENOR Posting !Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay 

Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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Joe Bruno  rearranged his few remaining neurons and
wrote:

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOTS COMPLIMENTS  OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

His prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]:
RICHARD LAY - Head of CyberCrime Section, and
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
	Count # 1.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
	Count # 2.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
	Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
	in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
distributing kiddie porn
criminal identity theft
plus many additional criminal charges.

Report Steve Horn's internet abuses to:
OK, FBI agent, CyberCrime Section:
RICHARD  LAY
405-290-7770

Guess Stevie will be entertaining the buck nigras in the Big House
for the rest of his life?

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
Wednesday 19 March 2008  was when Steve Horn was to get sentenced!
He asked for an adjournment to 2nd April, to try and plea bargain
for a lesser sentence!


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:

>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

>> http://i37.tinypic.com/2a7bn92.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=
378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn -
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

or KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
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Subject: STEVE Craig HORN[Caduceus] FAMILY-ALL CRIMINALS!
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Caduceus 'family tree' is full  of so many convicted criminals

CRIMINALS RUN RAMPANT IN THE HORN FAMILY.

Steven Craig Horn aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
kcom@earthlink.net
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@fusemail.com

His prison mugshot is here:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

It is no wonder Steve Horn is a criminal seeing how his brother is
a convicted criminal himself.

It is no wonder Steve's mind is demented and ill because he most
likely partook of his criminal brother's goods.

More details on Steve's criminal brother Alfred Lee and Steve's
criminal nephew Alfred Lee Jr and as a bonus Steve "Caduceus"
Horn's other brother [David] is also an ex-con.

Seems the Horn clan is just another collection of "po white trash."

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=
true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=75034&db=Appellate

IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA

-
ALFRED LEE HORN,
          Appellant,
v.
State Of  Oklahoma,
          Appellee.  No. F-2000-335
(Felony)

Filed: 03/20/2000
Closed: 07/25/2001

Appealed from: COAL County District Court

Parties
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 HORN, ALFRED LEE , Appellant
STATE OF OKLAHOMA , Appellee

Attorneys
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 Attorney Represented Parties
Attorney General Of Oklahoma(Bar # )
313 NE 21st Street
******Interagency Mail*****
,  STATE OF OKLAHOMA

Burgess, Lowell Rayford(Bar # 1323)
PO BOX 1116
ANTLERS, OK 74523

Coal County District Attorney(Bar # )
4 N. MAIN
COALGATE, OK 74538

Danner, Cindy Brown(Bar # 12583)
P. O. BOX 926
NORMAN, OK 73070  HORN ALFRED LEE

McCarty, Lisbeth Lynn(Bar # 10896)
P. O. BOX 926
NORMAN, OK 73070

Events
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 Event Party Docket Reporter

Lower Court Counts and Other Information
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 Count Case Number Statute Crime Special Sentence Judge Reporter
-  CF-1999-45  -  delivery of methamphetamine   30 years and 10,000.00 fine
consecutive with others
  (1-3) Gabbard, II, Doug Soukup, Debra A.
4  -  -  trafficking   40 years and 25,000.00 fine consecutive with others
Adams, Jo Dean E.
5  -  -  cultivation of marijuana   30 years and 10,000.00 fine consecutive
with others
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
End of Transmission.

Current status of Caduceus' brother Alfred Lee Horn:

DOC Number
0000369589 Name
HORN,ALFRED LEE
Date of Birth Oct 13 1955
Gender M
Race WHITE
Hair Color BROWN
Eye Color BROWN
Height (feet)5  Height (inches) 9
Weight 213
Last Move Date  Dec 29 2006
Facility MACK ALFORD CORRECTIONAL CENTER
County of Address COAL
City of Address  LEHIGH
State of Address OK
Zip Code 74556

DOC Number 0000369589
Name  HORN,ALFRED LEE

Sentences:

DOC Number 0000369589
Statute Code 63-2-401
Statute Code Description DIST OF CDS/POSS W/INTENT
Issuing Agency  COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Mar 30 2000
CRF Number 99-45
Status ACTIVE  [IOW Alfred Lee Horn is still in prison]
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000030.00

DOC Number 0000369589
Statute Code 63-2-415
Statute Code Description  TRAFFICKING IN ILLEGAL DRUGS
Issuing Agency COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Mar 30 2000
CRF Number 99-45
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type  DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000040.00

DOC Number 0000369589
Statute Code 63-2-509
Statute Code Description CULTIVATION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Mar 30 2000 CRF Number 99-45
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000030.00
--------------------------------------

Remember everyone Alfred Lee Horn's sentences were not to be served
simultaneously or
con-currently but Alfred Lee Horn's three sentences were to be served
consecutively. IOW
100 years. Repeated from above:
-  CF-1999-45  -  delivery of methamphetamine   30 years and 10,000.00 fine
consecutive with others
4  -  -  trafficking   40 years and 25,000.00 fine consecutive with others
5  -  -  cultivation of marijuana   30 years and 10,000.00 fine consecutive
with others

Now for Alfred Lee Horn Jr [Steve "Caduceus" Horn's nephew] and his 
criminal
record:

DOC Number  0000494575
Name  HORN,ALFRED LEE JR
Date of Birth  Jun 9 1982
Gender  M
Race WHITE
Hair Color  BROWN
Eye Color  BLUE
Build MEDIUM
Height (feet) 5  Height (inches) 8
Weight 185
Last Move Date Dec 19 2006
Facility  SOUTHEAST DISTRICT OFFICE
County of Address COAL
City of Address LEHIGH
State of Address OK
Zip Code 74556

Sentences

DOC Number 0000494575
Statute Code  63-2-402
Statute Code Description POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency  COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Apr 24 2003
CRF Number 2003-13
Status SENTENCED TO P&P/CSD
Sentence Type DEFERRED SENTENCE
Incarcerated Term (years)
Probation Term (years) 000000005.00

DOC Number 0000494575
Statute Code 63-2-402
Statute Code Description POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Feb 14 2006
CRF Number 2003-13
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000005.00
Probation Term (years)

[Looks like Alfred Lee Jr didn't learn a thing while on probation so he
repeated his stupidity and was
incarcerated]

Now for Steve "Caduceus" Horn's other miscreant brother David who is a 
violent
low life just like
"Caduceus":

DOC Number 0000123383
Name HORN,DAVID WAYNE
Date of Birth Dec 31 1962
Gender M
Race WHITE
Hair Color BLONDE
Eye Color BLUE
Build MEDIUM
Height (feet)5  Height (inches) 8
Weight 150
Last Move Date Jun 5 2007
Facility  OKLAHOMA STATE PENITENTIARY
County of Address TULSA
City of Address TULSA
State of Address OK
Zip Code 74115

Sentences

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 47-4-102
Statute Code Description UNAUTHORIZED USE OF A VEHICLE  [IOW a car thief]
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 27 1989
CRF Number 89-3536
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000002.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-1531
Statute Code Description FALSE PERSONATION
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date Aug 30 1991
CRF Number 90-4615
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000001.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-443
Statute Code Description ESCAPE FROM CONFINEMENT
Issuing Agency MUSKOGEE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Feb 29 2000
CRF Number 90-215
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type SPLIT
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000004.00
Probation Term (years) 000000006.00

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code  63-2-402
Statute Code Description POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date May 30 1995
CRF Number 95-1694
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000007.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 47-11-902
Statute Code Description DUI - LIQUOR OR DRUGS/APCV
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date Feb 29 2000
CRF Number 2000-57
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000001.50
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number
0000123383 Statute Code 21-1721
Statute Code Description TAPPING OIL/GAS TANK/PIPELINE
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000007.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-1721
Statute Code Description TAPPING OIL/GAS TANK/PIPELINE
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type PAROLE REVOCATION
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000003.58
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 63-2-401.G
Statute Code Description MANUFACTURE OF CDS
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000007.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number
0000123383 Statute Code 63-2-401.G
Statute Code Description MANUFACTURE OF CDS
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type  PAROLE REVOCATION
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000003.58
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 63-2-402  Statute Code Description
POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Oct 29 2004
CRF Number 2002-136
Status DISCHARGED
Sentence Type PAROLE
Incarcerated Term (years)
Probation Term (years) 000000003.56

[After going through all of the above shit for brains David Horn does
the following]:

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-645
Statute Code Description ASSAULT &/OR BATTERY W/DANGEROUS WEAPON
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date May 25 2007
CRF Number 2006-220
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type SUSPENDED
Incarcerated Term (years)
Probation Term (years) 000000002.00

David Horn was out of jail long enough to sign for a summons being served 
on
Steven "Caduceus" Horn:
PROOF OF SERVICE ON SUMMONS SERVED ON STEVEN HORN BY LEAVING COPY W/DAVID
HORN, BROTHER ON 4/17/06 AT HIS USUAL
PLACE OF RESIDENCE. Document Available (#1002939474)
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getimage.tif?submitted=true&casem
asterid=2029891&db=OKLAHOMA&barcode=1002939474

David is probably still living with father Alfred Harvie, mother Carolyn 
and
his mutual fuck up brother
Steven "Caduceus" Horn who is about to go to prison himself to keep up the
tradition of the _Band of Brothers_.

Brief review of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's mentally ill deeds [edited for
brevity]:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=
true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

The information contained in this report is provided in compliance with the
Oklahoma Open Records Act,
51 O.S. 24A.1. Use of this information is governed by this act, as well as
other applicable state and federal laws.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

Filed: 02/13/2007

Judge: Elliott, Ray C.

Parties
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-----
 HORN, STEVEN CRAIG , Defendant
Spencer Police Department , ARRESTING AGENCY
STATE OF OKLAHOMA , Plaintiff

Attorneys
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 Attorney Represented Parties
Gile, Merle(Bar # )
120 N. ROBINSON
STE 2900
OKC,, OK 73102  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG

Events
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-----
PRETRIAL CONFERENCE(PTC)  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG Ray C. Elliott
Wednesday, November 21, 2007 at 13:30 PM
PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 1X(PTC)  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG Ray C. Elliott
Monday, January 28, 2008 at 9:00 AM
JURY TRIAL (ISSUE)(JTI)  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG Ray C. Elliott

Counts
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 Parties appear only under the counts with which they were charged. For
complete sentence information,
see the court minute on the docket.


Count # 1.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER 
SYSTEM
TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON
IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/08/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Pending.

Count # 2.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER 
SYSTEM
TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON
IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/13/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Pending.

Count # 3.
Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL , in violation of 
21
O.S. 1172
Date Of Offense: 11/02/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Pending.

Docket
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 Date Code Count Party Serial # Entry Date
01-10-2007  AF/SW  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  51701020  Aug 16 2007 
10:05:47:137AM
-  $ 0.00
 AFFIDAVIT AND RETURN OF SEARCH WARRANT/SW-7-11
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
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-----

02-12-2007  WAI$  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178110  Feb 14 2007 
10:38:21:340AM
Realized  $ 50.00
 WARRANT OF ARREST ISSUED, JUDGE: RUSSELL HALL - BOND AMOUNT: $5,000.00

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-----

02-13-2007  TEXT  1  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50164773  Feb 13 2007 
9:03:55:877AM
-  $ 0.00
 CRIMINAL FELONY INITIAL FILING.
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-----

02-13-2007  INFORMATION  1  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178973  Feb 14 2007
11:19:59:480AM  -  $ 0.00
 DEFENDANT STEVEN CRAIG HORN WAS CHARGED WITH COUNT #1, USING A COMPUTER,
COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER
SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HAR
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
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-----

02-13-2007  INFORMATION  2  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178974  Feb 14 2007
11:19:45:130AM  -  $ 0.00
 DEFENDANT STEVEN CRAIG HORN WAS CHARGED WITH COUNT #2, USING A COMPUTER,
COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER
SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HAR
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

02-13-2007  INFORMATION  3  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178975  Feb 14 2007
11:19:45:130AM  -  $ 0.00
 DEFENDANT STEVEN CRAIG HORN WAS CHARGED WITH COUNT #3, MAKING A HARASSING
TELEPHONE CALL IN VIOLATION
OF 21 O.S. 1172
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-----

02-13-2007  TEXT  -   50164774  Feb 13 2007 9:03:55:887AM  -  $ 0.00
 OCIS HAS AUTOMATICALLY ASSIGNED JUDGE ELLIOTT, RAY C. TO THIS CASE.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

03-15-2007  BO  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50433433  Mar 15 2007 2:46:26:013PM
Realized  $ 10.00
 PROFESSIONAL BOND FOR HORN, STEVEN CRAIG POSTED BY WALKER, JEANNIE
(PROFESSIONAL:ZIEGLER, VERNIE)
(POWER NUMBER:CB5-32301 ), IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,000.00, POSTED 02/15/2007($
10.00)
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

03-15-2007  CTARRPL  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50445674  Mar 16 2007
1:47:36:060PM  -  $ 0.00
 HALL: DEFENDANT PRESENT, OUT OF CUSTODY AND REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL, MERLE
GILE. ARRAIGNMENT HELD.
DEFENDANT WAIVES READING OF THE INFORMATION AND FURTHER TIME TO PLEAD.
DEFENDANT ENTERS A PLEA OF
NOT GUILTY. PRELIMINARY HEARING CONFERENCE SET FOR 04/26/07 @ 1:30PM BEFORE
JUDGE GREGORY RYAN/ BOND
SET IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,000
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Report Generated by The Oklahoma Court Information System at December 11, 
2007
0:39 AM
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-----
End of Transmission.

HISTORY OF HORN'S CRIMINAL ACTS:
http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html

Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
40-gun cache

Man arrested for alleged threats against woman's children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

	An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman's
children
was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.
	Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn for
allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her children by
e-mail and for making a harassing phone call. Horn was charged with two
counts of using a computer to put another person in fear of harm or death
and one count of making harassing phone calls.
	According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, "What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I means
that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I'm GOD. I decide who
lives and who dies and your two boys die."
	In another, he is alleged to have written, "Remember I have a .45
automatic
and can take your b.....d sons out."
	Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City
Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill himself and
requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been self-medicating 
with
Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.
	Boydston's report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
from
Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been investigating a
threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas Police. Horn 
allegedly
threatened to "shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her (his former
girlfriend) a ticket."
	Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn's phone after he
interviewed
the man, the police report said. "I am God, and I also still have my Ruger
P-90 and it
has a bullet with your name on it," Horn reportedly told him.
	A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn's home along with a
computer
with images of young girls. [Notice Steve "Caduceus" Horn had pictures of
young girls on
his computer thus indicating "Caduceus" is a potential pedophile/child
molester] No information
was given on possible charges related to the images. [Those images must 
have
been pretty
explicit for that statement to be made]
	Horn's father allegedly said his son was mentally unstable and a
potential
danger to himself and others. [Steve's own father admits Steve is a twisted
person IOW]

Boydston's investigation:
The report listed a number of dates associated with the case. The timeline 
of
events and Boydston's investigation is as follows:
Sept. 1, 2005 - a threatening call made to the Garland, Texas police 
station
Dec. 15, 2005 - Oklahoma City Det. Ron Bradford and an inspector interview
Bradford's "former girlfriend" who said he bought a rifle from Wal-mart 
while
on
a date
Dec. 21, 2005 - Oklahoma City Police confiscate 21 firearms, talk to 
suspect;
eventually firearms are returned and no charges filed
Oct. 30, 2006 - Boydston receives the case. He interviews the victim and 
takes
a
look at the e-mails and the profile of the suspect on an Internet dating 
Web
site.
Nov. 2, 2006 - Boydston contacts the OU Police Department's Health Services
Division and gets them to search their database; he identifies the suspect,
interviews
him and later receives a phone call.
Nov. 3, 2006 - Boydston meets with Judge Russell Hall at 10 a.m. and 
obtains a
warrant for Horn's arrest. At 4 p.m. Boydston meets with the Will Rogers
Division of the Oklahoma City Police Department and receives information 
about
their
previous investigation of Horn.
Tuesday - charges filed by Spencer Police
Thursday - Oklahoma City Police arrest Horn at his home
**************************************************************************
***********
http://www.newsok.com/article/3014189/

Sat February 17, 2007
City man faces charges of using computer to threaten, harass
By Ann Kelley
Staff Writer

SPENCER - An Oklahoma City man is charged with threatening to kill a woman 
and
a
Spencer police officer who was investigating the woman's claims that the 
man
was
stalking her.

Steven Craig Horn, 41, was charged Wednesday in Oklahoma County District 
Court
with two felony counts of using a computer to put another person in fear of
death, and a
misdemeanor charge of making harassing telephone calls.

Horn was arrested Nov. 9 after police served a search warrant at his home 
and
confiscated 40 firearms, computers and computer disks, according to court
records.
According to court records, Hamm was investigating a complaint from Melanie
Gay
Jenkins of Spencer, who gave police two threatening e-mails from Horn.

Horn remains free on $5,000 bail.
**************************************************************************
************

updates forthcoming

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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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Subject: NO GROSVENOR Posting ! Frank Arthur= Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay
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NO GROSVENOR Posting !Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay 

Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group,
except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual -
just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


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website for JEW-WATCH:
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Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
Newsgroups: can.general,can.taxes,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Sure, I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!
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Sure-I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!

Sure  bubbele - I totally  enjoy  jewing   ZYDS [Jews], 
as well as  CRA, +  IRS - says well-known Ganiv, 
& CRIMINAL FRAUDSTER & MONEY LAUNDERER 
Shabbas-Goy Ken McVAY!!!

No wonder good, honest people, even jews,  really dislike this 
filthy pervert  shabbas-goy.

What a disgusting piece of AIDS-infected filth, is this McVay, finally
dying.
No wonder people feel that the only good faggot, is one that is
incinerated....

Glad to see that the Auditor-General for Canada in her
report complained about the fact that CRA is not aggressively 
prosecuting TAX FRAUDS!!

Guess she is referring to the McVay/Bnai Brith TAX FRAUD!!

Bradbury has well detailed this FRAUD on the IRS and CRA!

On 13 Oct 2004 23:25:00 -0000, Ken McVaySOB 
wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>also a convicted car thief and all round molester,
>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>Subject: I CHEAT JEWS,TAX DEPT.- MCVAY!!

>In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR
>charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a
>senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

>Call Mr.Philippe Robert
>Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
>Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423

>The equivalent with IRS in the USA  will be posted soon as well.

>Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
>will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.taxes,can.general
>Subject: Re: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:47:21 -0700
>Jay Winkler  wrote in message
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700, "Waldo" 
>> wrote:
>Waldo wrote:

>> >On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>> >was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>> >story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 >
>>September 2000. The headline read:

>> >"Huge tax scam exposed
>> >Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>Jay Winkler replied:

>> The preceeding posts was, in fact, made by the  RACIST FRUITCAKE of
>> Edmonton, Alberta known as William Grosvenor/Gruber.

>Waldo responds:

>If you're referring to *my* post  (Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax
>Impropriety?) you're wrong, Jay. I (Waldo) authored the post.

>If however, you're referring to the article *referenced* in my
>post, ($60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!) you *may* be correct in assuming
>that it was authored by this Grosvenor character.

>I wouldn't know.

>But it makes little difference. The portion of the post I
>referred to was an actual news story published in the
>Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000.

>This is confirmed by an article published in USA Jewish.
>(hardly an anti-Semitic publication)

>http://www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/paper/Article.asp?ArticleID=932

>Clearly you aren't comfortable with the idea of this or any
>story that portrays Jews in a less than flattering light
>being brought to the readers' attention, and this is why you
>chose to respond with a lengthy diatribe aimed at smearing the
>credibility of Gruber/ Grosvenor, who you assumed to be the author.

>I'm sure you're not too thrilled at the prospect of your chums
>at and Nizkor and League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>being shunned by donors and scrutinized by Canadian tax
>authorities either.

>Unfortunately Jay, your attempt at diversion via your smear
>campaign against Gruber/ Grosvenor does not change the facts:

>1)  Construit Toujours, a Hasidic Jewish organization, did
>indeed attempt to defraud the Canadian government by selling
>$60 million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish
>individuals and businesses who donated to the organization.

>2)  The pro-Jewish Nizkor Project, which Ken McVay has
>repeatedly acknowledged is *not* registered as a non-profit
>organization, is offering Canadian tax receipts to potential
>donors, and said tax receipts are in fact being issued on
>Nizkor's behalf by the pro-Jewish League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada, which *is* registered as a non-profit
>organization.

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>This funneling of monies to a for-profit enterprise via a
>"not-for-profit" organization wreaks of impropriety, and
>raises suspicions of  graft, money-laundering, tax fraud,
>etc. for all parties involved.

>If Canadian tax authorities *do* find that Nizkor and
>League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada committed
>fraud by issuing tax receipts in return for monies donated
>to Nizkor, they will very likely go after the *donors* to
>collect taxes, penalties and interest on any monies they
>may have contributed.

>This is very sad, as many people who innocently believed
>they were contributing to a noble, non-profit organization
>would wind up getting hurt.

>Ken McVay has yet to respond to these issues, but he is
>a very busy man.

>Perhaps he is currently toiling over a paper shredder,
>or rearranging and deleting data on computer hard drives?

>Waldo


>Observer at Large

>IN FACT, KEN MCVAY IS RUNNING A *ONE MAN BUSINESS* with
>himself now as the sole beneficiary!!

>All other staff, both McCarthy and Cecelia had resigned
>in disgust. They have in fact made public some of the
>evidence regarding financial irregularities involving McVay.

>What about the $50,000 taken from San Antonio,Texas by McVay?

>The text of the message below, posted recently
>sheds more light on the McVay/NIZKOR FRAUD on CCRA & IRS!!

>From: Kevin Swan 
>Newsgroups: ott.general,can.legal
>Subject: Re: NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:33 -0400

>At the end of this unbelievably long pair of posts,
>you STILL didn't address his one, incredibly drawn out point:
>is Nizkor a registered Canadian charity or not?

>Anonymous made one, good point:
>Jay Winkler wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:

>> > Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>> > [#0235903-43-13]

>> >Notice what is said above?

>Now, I don't know why Anonymous dropped the ball here
>and didn't follow up on it, but he later claims that
>Ken refuses to answer to answer the question:

>> 1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?

>It appears that the question is already answered in the
>text Anonymous copied and posted: #0235903-43-13.

>However, when I researched this number (and several variations
>with/without the hypens and '#' symbol) at CCRA's website, there
>were no matches.  So I downloaded the entire list of all 78,000
>registered charities and searched for Nizkor, unsuccessfully.
>Search for yourself at
>http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/charities/list/chtysr-e.html

>So Ken, could you please tell us, is Nizkor a registered Canadian
>charity or not?  Yes or no?  That's really all Anonymous' post
>was asserting, and you made a HUGE post attacking some guy whom
>you allege is behind the "Anonymous" facade, yet you didn't even
>deny his lone point: that Nizkor is a not a registered charity,
>and is making fraudulent claims about issuing tax receipts.

>And also, Ken, your FAQ makes numerous footnotes, and claims
>to reference them at the bottom, but I could find no such list of
>references.  You might want to add them before posting it again.

>Kevin.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,misc.taxes,can.taxes,
>can.general
>Subject: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700

>On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday
>21 September 2000. The headline read:

>"Huge tax scam exposed
>Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization
>known as Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian
>government by selling $60 million dollars in fraudulent
>tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
>businesses who donated to the organization.

>In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit
>Toujours would solicit donations from members of the
>Jewish community, and in turn issue the donors
>Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual
>amount contributed.

>In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited
>from the receipt of the actual donation, and the donor
>would benefit by receiving tax deductions that, according
>to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times the amount
>actually donated.

>Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian
>taxpayers, who were forced to make up for the tens of
>millions of dollars worth of tax deficit caused by this fraud.

>This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor,
>or "The Nizkor Project", a Toronto area based website run
>by Ken McVay.

>Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to
>their website is "Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust
>victims who suffered and died at the
>hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".

>http://www.nizkor.org

>The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the
>Holocaust at the forefront of the public mind, and battling
>so-called "Holocaust Deniers": Revisionist historians, or
>anyone else who would dare publicly question the
>generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust
>against European Jewry in the 1930's and 40's.

>While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a
>noble cause, there are serious questions with regard to
>the source of Nizkor's funding: Ken McVay has stated
>publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
>non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a
>Canadian tax receipt to any donor who contributes ten
>dollars or more to the Project.

>From the Nizkor website:

>"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>[#0235903-43-13]"

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit
>enterprise issue Canadian tax receipts?

>It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation"
>with the pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
>Canada", which is described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer
>organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and
>bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians".

>http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm

>The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a
>non-profit organization, and is accepting contributions,
>and issuing Canadian tax receipts on the behalf of Nizkor,
>a for-profit organization.

>This raises some very serious questions:

>What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between
>Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?

>How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and
>accounted for?

>Is there a quid pro quo?

>Does the  League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>retain a portion of the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?

>Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through
>the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for
>which Canadian tax receipts were issued to donors?

>Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated
>to Nizkor, donors may be convinced that they are contributing
>to a non-profit organization, while Ken McVay has denied
>Nizkor's non-profit status on numerous occasions.

>Does this practice not give the appearance of FRAUD?

>On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify
>funding its operations and paying its staff at the expense of
>the Canadian taxpayer?

>What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises
>who might enjoy the benefits of receiving funds that are
>funneled through a non-profit organization?

>For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors
>and clients of a Law or Consulting firm to establish an
>"affiliation" with a non-profit organization through which
>all monies could be funneled, and tax receipts issued?

>Isn't this what the authorities call MONEY LAUNDERING?

>The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately
>abused on a regular basis.

>In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization
>was stripped of its right to issue tax receipts, and fined
>$400,000, while the "donors" to the organization were to
>face criminal charges, and would be forced to repay the
>taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.

>Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada  guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?

>It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's
>for-profit Nizkor are being funneled through the League for
>Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and that Canadian
>non-profit tax receipts are being issued for funds
>that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.

>Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete
>and detailed explanation of their handling of the funds
>earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian Federal
>Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation
>of both organizations.

>Waldo
>Observer at Large


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


 wrote:

HENRY FORD (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921): 
Jews have always controlled the business. . . The motion picture 
influence of the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively 
under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators 
of the public mind.

At one time, anti-Semites were considered to be people who did not
like Jews.
Now, anti-Semites are people whom the Jews don't like.  Jews use the
term as a weapon to smear people who for one reason or another they 
don't like.
They use it to keep politicians in line who might otherwise stray from
the
Jewish agenda and they  use it to label revisionists as 'holocaust
deniers'
I have been "branded by the Jews" and am proud to be in the esteemed 
company of the following:

T.S. Eliot; Norman Finkelstein; Father Coughlin; 
John Wayne;  Joseph P. Kennedy; Charles Lindburgh;
George Lincoln Rockwell; Marlon Brando; Robert Mitchum; 
Richard Nixon; Henry Ford Sr.; Walt Disney; David Irving;
H.L. Mencken; Kurt Waldheim; Napoleon; Bismarck; Claudis;
Voltaire; George Ball; Israel Shahak; Joe Sobran; Gerald L.K. Smith;
Karl Marx; William Dudley Pelley; Cicero; Heinriche Heine;
Oswald Mosley; Rowland Evans; Robert Novak; Anthony Lewis; Charles
Dickens; Patrick Buchanan; Benjamin Friedman; Martin Luther; Mahomet;
Bruno Bauer;  Elizabeth Dilling; Senator Burton Wheeler


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid 
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies 
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
Feel free to call, or even visit me;
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315
 
or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:19:09 EST 2009
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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,atl.general,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: NO GROSVENOR Posting ! Only Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay
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NO GROSVENOR Posting !Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay 

Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group, except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse
people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual - just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
Newsgroups: can.general,can.taxes,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Sure, I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!
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Sure-I Do Jew ZYDs,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!

Sure  bubbele - I totally  enjoy  jewing   ZYDS [Jews], 
as well as  CRA, +  IRS - says well-known Ganiv, 
& CRIMINAL FRAUDSTER & MONEY LAUNDERER 
Shabbas-Goy Ken McVAY!!!

No wonder good, honest people, even jews,  really dislike this 
filthy pervert  shabbas-goy.

What a disgusting piece of AIDS-infected filth, is this McVay, finally
dying.
No wonder people feel that the only good faggot, is one that is
incinerated....

Glad to see that the Auditor-General for Canada in her
report complained about the fact that CRA is not aggressively 
prosecuting TAX FRAUDS!!

Guess she is referring to the McVay/Bnai Brith TAX FRAUD!!

Bradbury has well detailed this FRAUD on the IRS and CRA!

On 13 Oct 2004 23:25:00 -0000, Ken McVaySOB 
wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>also a convicted car thief and all round molester,
>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

>Subject: I CHEAT JEWS,TAX DEPT.- MCVAY!!

>In a new development, victims of the false NIZKOR
>charitable donation tax receipts may now contact a
>senior official of CCRA (Canadian IRS).

>Call Mr.Philippe Robert
>Special Investigations - Charities - CCRA
>Phone : 1-800-267-2384, or 1-613-946-2423

>The equivalent with IRS in the USA  will be posted soon as well.

>Looks like McVay/NIZKOR, as well as related crooks
>will soon be joining their buddies in the slammer.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.taxes,can.general
>Subject: Re: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:47:21 -0700
>Jay Winkler  wrote in message
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700, "Waldo" 
>> wrote:
>Waldo wrote:

>> >On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>> >was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>> >story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 >
>>September 2000. The headline read:

>> >"Huge tax scam exposed
>> >Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>Jay Winkler replied:

>> The preceeding posts was, in fact, made by the  RACIST FRUITCAKE of
>> Edmonton, Alberta known as William Grosvenor/Gruber.

>Waldo responds:

>If you're referring to *my* post  (Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax
>Impropriety?) you're wrong, Jay. I (Waldo) authored the post.

>If however, you're referring to the article *referenced* in my
>post, ($60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!) you *may* be correct in assuming
>that it was authored by this Grosvenor character.

>I wouldn't know.

>But it makes little difference. The portion of the post I
>referred to was an actual news story published in the
>Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000.

>This is confirmed by an article published in USA Jewish.
>(hardly an anti-Semitic publication)

>http://www.usajewish.com/scripts/usaj/paper/Article.asp?ArticleID=932

>Clearly you aren't comfortable with the idea of this or any
>story that portrays Jews in a less than flattering light
>being brought to the readers' attention, and this is why you
>chose to respond with a lengthy diatribe aimed at smearing the
>credibility of Gruber/ Grosvenor, who you assumed to be the author.

>I'm sure you're not too thrilled at the prospect of your chums
>at and Nizkor and League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>being shunned by donors and scrutinized by Canadian tax
>authorities either.

>Unfortunately Jay, your attempt at diversion via your smear
>campaign against Gruber/ Grosvenor does not change the facts:

>1)  Construit Toujours, a Hasidic Jewish organization, did
>indeed attempt to defraud the Canadian government by selling
>$60 million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish
>individuals and businesses who donated to the organization.

>2)  The pro-Jewish Nizkor Project, which Ken McVay has
>repeatedly acknowledged is *not* registered as a non-profit
>organization, is offering Canadian tax receipts to potential
>donors, and said tax receipts are in fact being issued on
>Nizkor's behalf by the pro-Jewish League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada, which *is* registered as a non-profit
>organization.

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>This funneling of monies to a for-profit enterprise via a
>"not-for-profit" organization wreaks of impropriety, and
>raises suspicions of  graft, money-laundering, tax fraud,
>etc. for all parties involved.

>If Canadian tax authorities *do* find that Nizkor and
>League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada committed
>fraud by issuing tax receipts in return for monies donated
>to Nizkor, they will very likely go after the *donors* to
>collect taxes, penalties and interest on any monies they
>may have contributed.

>This is very sad, as many people who innocently believed
>they were contributing to a noble, non-profit organization
>would wind up getting hurt.

>Ken McVay has yet to respond to these issues, but he is
>a very busy man.

>Perhaps he is currently toiling over a paper shredder,
>or rearranging and deleting data on computer hard drives?

>Waldo


>Observer at Large

>IN FACT, KEN MCVAY IS RUNNING A *ONE MAN BUSINESS* with
>himself now as the sole beneficiary!!

>All other staff, both McCarthy and Cecelia had resigned
>in disgust. They have in fact made public some of the
>evidence regarding financial irregularities involving McVay.

>What about the $50,000 taken from San Antonio,Texas by McVay?

>The text of the message below, posted recently
>sheds more light on the McVay/NIZKOR FRAUD on CCRA & IRS!!

>From: Kevin Swan 
>Newsgroups: ott.general,can.legal
>Subject: Re: NIZKOR/MCVAY SWINDLE CCRA - ALSO JEWS!!!
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:02:33 -0400

>At the end of this unbelievably long pair of posts,
>you STILL didn't address his one, incredibly drawn out point:
>is Nizkor a registered Canadian charity or not?

>Anonymous made one, good point:
>Jay Winkler wrote:
>> Anonymous wrote:

>> > Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>> > [#0235903-43-13]

>> >Notice what is said above?

>Now, I don't know why Anonymous dropped the ball here
>and didn't follow up on it, but he later claims that
>Ken refuses to answer to answer the question:

>> 1) What is the tax number of Nizkor?

>It appears that the question is already answered in the
>text Anonymous copied and posted: #0235903-43-13.

>However, when I researched this number (and several variations
>with/without the hypens and '#' symbol) at CCRA's website, there
>were no matches.  So I downloaded the entire list of all 78,000
>registered charities and searched for Nizkor, unsuccessfully.
>Search for yourself at
>http://www.ccra-adrc.gc.ca/tax/charities/list/chtysr-e.html

>So Ken, could you please tell us, is Nizkor a registered Canadian
>charity or not?  Yes or no?  That's really all Anonymous' post
>was asserting, and you made a HUGE post attacking some guy whom
>you allege is behind the "Anonymous" facade, yet you didn't even
>deny his lone point: that Nizkor is a not a registered charity,
>and is making fraudulent claims about issuing tax receipts.

>And also, Ken, your FAQ makes numerous footnotes, and claims
>to reference them at the bottom, but I could find no such list of
>references.  You might want to add them before posting it again.

>Kevin.


>From: "Waldo" 
>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,misc.taxes,can.taxes,
>can.general
>Subject: Nizkor, B'nai Brith and Tax Impropriety?
>Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:54:44 -0700

>On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!"
>was posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news
>story that reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday
>21 September 2000. The headline read:

>"Huge tax scam exposed
>Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

>The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization
>known as Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian
>government by selling $60 million dollars in fraudulent
>tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
>businesses who donated to the organization.

>In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit
>Toujours would solicit donations from members of the
>Jewish community, and in turn issue the donors
>Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual
>amount contributed.

>In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited
>from the receipt of the actual donation, and the donor
>would benefit by receiving tax deductions that, according
>to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times the amount
>actually donated.

>Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian
>taxpayers, who were forced to make up for the tens of
>millions of dollars worth of tax deficit caused by this fraud.

>This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor,
>or "The Nizkor Project", a Toronto area based website run
>by Ken McVay.

>Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to
>their website is "Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust
>victims who suffered and died at the
>hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".

>http://www.nizkor.org

>The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the
>Holocaust at the forefront of the public mind, and battling
>so-called "Holocaust Deniers": Revisionist historians, or
>anyone else who would dare publicly question the
>generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust
>against European Jewry in the 1930's and 40's.

>While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a
>noble cause, there are serious questions with regard to
>the source of Nizkor's funding: Ken McVay has stated
>publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
>non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a
>Canadian tax receipt to any donor who contributes ten
>dollars or more to the Project.

>From the Nizkor website:

>"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>[#0235903-43-13]"

>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

>How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit
>enterprise issue Canadian tax receipts?

>It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation"
>with the pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
>Canada", which is described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer
>organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, racism and
>bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians".

>http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm

>The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a
>non-profit organization, and is accepting contributions,
>and issuing Canadian tax receipts on the behalf of Nizkor,
>a for-profit organization.

>This raises some very serious questions:

>What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between
>Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?

>How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights
>of B'nai Brith Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and
>accounted for?

>Is there a quid pro quo?

>Does the  League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
>retain a portion of the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?

>Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through
>the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for
>which Canadian tax receipts were issued to donors?

>Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated
>to Nizkor, donors may be convinced that they are contributing
>to a non-profit organization, while Ken McVay has denied
>Nizkor's non-profit status on numerous occasions.

>Does this practice not give the appearance of FRAUD?

>On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify
>funding its operations and paying its staff at the expense of
>the Canadian taxpayer?

>What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises
>who might enjoy the benefits of receiving funds that are
>funneled through a non-profit organization?

>For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors
>and clients of a Law or Consulting firm to establish an
>"affiliation" with a non-profit organization through which
>all monies could be funneled, and tax receipts issued?

>Isn't this what the authorities call MONEY LAUNDERING?

>The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately
>abused on a regular basis.

>In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization
>was stripped of its right to issue tax receipts, and fined
>$400,000, while the "donors" to the organization were to
>face criminal charges, and would be forced to repay the
>taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.

>Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada  guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?

>It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's
>for-profit Nizkor are being funneled through the League for
>Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and that Canadian
>non-profit tax receipts are being issued for funds
>that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.

>Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of
>B'nai Brith Canada owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete
>and detailed explanation of their handling of the funds
>earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian Federal
>Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation
>of both organizations.

>Waldo
>Observer at Large


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


 wrote:

HENRY FORD (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921): 
Jews have always controlled the business. . . The motion picture 
influence of the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively 
under the control, moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators 
of the public mind.

At one time, anti-Semites were considered to be people who did not
like Jews.
Now, anti-Semites are people whom the Jews don't like.  Jews use the
term as a weapon to smear people who for one reason or another they 
don't like.
They use it to keep politicians in line who might otherwise stray from
the
Jewish agenda and they  use it to label revisionists as 'holocaust
deniers'
I have been "branded by the Jews" and am proud to be in the esteemed 
company of the following:

T.S. Eliot; Norman Finkelstein; Father Coughlin; 
John Wayne;  Joseph P. Kennedy; Charles Lindburgh;
George Lincoln Rockwell; Marlon Brando; Robert Mitchum; 
Richard Nixon; Henry Ford Sr.; Walt Disney; David Irving;
H.L. Mencken; Kurt Waldheim; Napoleon; Bismarck; Claudis;
Voltaire; George Ball; Israel Shahak; Joe Sobran; Gerald L.K. Smith;
Karl Marx; William Dudley Pelley; Cicero; Heinriche Heine;
Oswald Mosley; Rowland Evans; Robert Novak; Anthony Lewis; Charles
Dickens; Patrick Buchanan; Benjamin Friedman; Martin Luther; Mahomet;
Bruno Bauer;  Elizabeth Dilling; Senator Burton Wheeler


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid 
molester, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies 
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com, 
Feel free to call, or even visit me;
FRANK H ARTHUR 
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE 
ATLANTA, GA 30315 
(770) 739-6508 
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315
 
or to Steve Horn - kcom@earthlink.net,
or KenMcVay@vex.net

Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, 
homosexuals and the like.


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From: "Steven Craig Horn Is a Convicted Felon@OKC.OK"

Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2008  APLI  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54505370  Jun 26 2008
4:02:11:920PM 
 APPLICATION TO DELIVER THE DEFT TO DEACONESS HOSPITAL & RETURN  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your booking photo:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking.jpg

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:19:16 EST 2009
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Joe Bruno  rearranged his few remaining neurons and
wrote:

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOTS COMPLIMENTS  OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

His prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]:
RICHARD LAY - Head of CyberCrime Section, and
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
	Count # 1.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
	Count # 2.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
	Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
	in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
distributing kiddie porn
criminal identity theft
plus many additional criminal charges.

Report Steve Horn's internet abuses to:
OK, FBI agent, CyberCrime Section:
RICHARD  LAY
405-290-7770

Guess Stevie will be entertaining the buck nigras in the Big House
for the rest of his life?

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
Wednesday 19 March 2008  was when Steve Horn was to get sentenced!
He asked for an adjournment to 2nd April, to try and plea bargain
for a lesser sentence!


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:

>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

>> http://i37.tinypic.com/2a7bn92.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=
378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn -
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

or KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.





From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:19:17 EST 2009
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From: Frank Arthur 
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Joe Bruno  rearranged his few remaining neurons and
wrote:

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOTS COMPLIMENTS  OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

His prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]:
RICHARD LAY - Head of CyberCrime Section, and
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
	Count # 1.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
	Count # 2.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
	Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
	in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
distributing kiddie porn
criminal identity theft
plus many additional criminal charges.

Report Steve Horn's internet abuses to:
OK, FBI agent, CyberCrime Section:
RICHARD  LAY
405-290-7770

Guess Stevie will be entertaining the buck nigras in the Big House
for the rest of his life?

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
Wednesday 19 March 2008  was when Steve Horn was to get sentenced!
He asked for an adjournment to 2nd April, to try and plea bargain
for a lesser sentence!


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:

>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

>> http://i37.tinypic.com/2a7bn92.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, <
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the first
place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a fellow
inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders to
own
and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI background
check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail when
we contact the FBI/BATF and
advise them they have another Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=
378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn -
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

or KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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Convict Felon STEVE Craig HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT+Psych Report

Joe Bruno  rearranged his few remaining neurons
and wrote:

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOTS COMPLIMENTS  OKLAHOMA STATE PRISON

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

His prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]: RICHARD  LAY,
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
	Count # 1.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
	Count # 2.
	Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
	OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
	HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
	Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
	in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
distributing kiddie porncriminal identity theft,
plus many additional criminal charges.

Report Steve Horn's internet abuses to:
OK, FBI agent,Head of CyberCrime Section:
RICHARD  LAY
405-290-7770

Guess Stevie will be entertaining the buck nigras in the Big House
for the rest of his life?

Convict STEVE HORN'S POLICE MUG SHOT - Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?
Wednesday 19 March 2008  was when Steve Horn was to get sentenced!
He asked for an adjournment to 2nd April, to try and plea bargain
for a lesser sentence!


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:

>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, < 
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.

>> http://i37.tinypic.com/2a7bn92.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellowinmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye?
Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to ownand possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
backgroundcheck when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) How long do you expect to keep your arsenal and stay out of jail
whenwe contact the FBI/BATF and advise them they have another 
Timothy McVeigh type loose in OKC?


On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 04:47:44 GMT, "Riffyprime(oo)" 
wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:32:16 -0500, Crime Watch
>< CrimeWatch@SayNo2CriminalThugs.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:44:26 GMT, < 
u08af4tuurq52h9uqka9ga9eab8ftlbee1@4ax.com>,
>>"Riffyprime(oo)"  wrote:

>>>That book was a little too long/boring for me to bother with. However,
>>>it appeared to star the convicted criminal Steven Craig Horn, so I am
>>>sure it will be a best-seller !

>>Here is the publicity photo which is in wide circulation.
 
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

>Haha fuck.  He doesn't look too pleased with his attorney in that pic.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=
378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATLANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - 
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

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Subject: STEVE Craig HORN[Caduceus] FAMILY-ALL CRIMINALS!
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Caduceus 'family tree' is full  of so many convicted criminals

CRIMINALS RUN RAMPANT IN THE HORN FAMILY.

Steven Craig Horn aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
kcom@earthlink.net
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@fusemail.com

His prison mugshot is here:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg

It is no wonder Steve Horn is a criminal seeing how his brother is
a convicted criminal himself.

It is no wonder Steve's mind is demented and ill because he most
likely partook of his criminal brother's goods.

More details on Steve's criminal brother Alfred Lee and Steve's
criminal nephew Alfred Lee Jr and as a bonus Steve "Caduceus"
Horn's other brother [David] is also an ex-con.

Seems the Horn clan is just another collection of "po white trash."

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=
true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=75034&db=Appellate

IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS OF THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA

-
ALFRED LEE HORN,
          Appellant,
v.
State Of  Oklahoma,
          Appellee.  No. F-2000-335
(Felony)

Filed: 03/20/2000
Closed: 07/25/2001

Appealed from: COAL County District Court

Parties
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 HORN, ALFRED LEE , Appellant
STATE OF OKLAHOMA , Appellee

Attorneys
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 Attorney Represented Parties
Attorney General Of Oklahoma(Bar # )
313 NE 21st Street
******Interagency Mail*****
,  STATE OF OKLAHOMA

Burgess, Lowell Rayford(Bar # 1323)
PO BOX 1116
ANTLERS, OK 74523

Coal County District Attorney(Bar # )
4 N. MAIN
COALGATE, OK 74538

Danner, Cindy Brown(Bar # 12583)
P. O. BOX 926
NORMAN, OK 73070  HORN ALFRED LEE

McCarty, Lisbeth Lynn(Bar # 10896)
P. O. BOX 926
NORMAN, OK 73070

Events
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-----
 Event Party Docket Reporter

Lower Court Counts and Other Information
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 Count Case Number Statute Crime Special Sentence Judge Reporter
-  CF-1999-45  -  delivery of methamphetamine   30 years and 10,000.00 fine
consecutive with others
  (1-3) Gabbard, II, Doug Soukup, Debra A.
4  -  -  trafficking   40 years and 25,000.00 fine consecutive with others
Adams, Jo Dean E.
5  -  -  cultivation of marijuana   30 years and 10,000.00 fine consecutive
with others
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
End of Transmission.

Current status of Caduceus' brother Alfred Lee Horn:

DOC Number
0000369589 Name
HORN,ALFRED LEE
Date of Birth Oct 13 1955
Gender M
Race WHITE
Hair Color BROWN
Eye Color BROWN
Height (feet)5  Height (inches) 9
Weight 213
Last Move Date  Dec 29 2006
Facility MACK ALFORD CORRECTIONAL CENTER
County of Address COAL
City of Address  LEHIGH
State of Address OK
Zip Code 74556

DOC Number 0000369589
Name  HORN,ALFRED LEE

Sentences:

DOC Number 0000369589
Statute Code 63-2-401
Statute Code Description DIST OF CDS/POSS W/INTENT
Issuing Agency  COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Mar 30 2000
CRF Number 99-45
Status ACTIVE  [IOW Alfred Lee Horn is still in prison]
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000030.00

DOC Number 0000369589
Statute Code 63-2-415
Statute Code Description  TRAFFICKING IN ILLEGAL DRUGS
Issuing Agency COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Mar 30 2000
CRF Number 99-45
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type  DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000040.00

DOC Number 0000369589
Statute Code 63-2-509
Statute Code Description CULTIVATION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Mar 30 2000 CRF Number 99-45
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000030.00
--------------------------------------

Remember everyone Alfred Lee Horn's sentences were not to be served
simultaneously or
con-currently but Alfred Lee Horn's three sentences were to be served
consecutively. IOW
100 years. Repeated from above:
-  CF-1999-45  -  delivery of methamphetamine   30 years and 10,000.00 fine
consecutive with others
4  -  -  trafficking   40 years and 25,000.00 fine consecutive with others
5  -  -  cultivation of marijuana   30 years and 10,000.00 fine consecutive
with others

Now for Alfred Lee Horn Jr [Steve "Caduceus" Horn's nephew] and his 
criminal
record:

DOC Number  0000494575
Name  HORN,ALFRED LEE JR
Date of Birth  Jun 9 1982
Gender  M
Race WHITE
Hair Color  BROWN
Eye Color  BLUE
Build MEDIUM
Height (feet) 5  Height (inches) 8
Weight 185
Last Move Date Dec 19 2006
Facility  SOUTHEAST DISTRICT OFFICE
County of Address COAL
City of Address LEHIGH
State of Address OK
Zip Code 74556

Sentences

DOC Number 0000494575
Statute Code  63-2-402
Statute Code Description POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency  COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Apr 24 2003
CRF Number 2003-13
Status SENTENCED TO P&P/CSD
Sentence Type DEFERRED SENTENCE
Incarcerated Term (years)
Probation Term (years) 000000005.00

DOC Number 0000494575
Statute Code 63-2-402
Statute Code Description POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency COAL COUNTY COURT
Start Date Feb 14 2006
CRF Number 2003-13
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000005.00
Probation Term (years)

[Looks like Alfred Lee Jr didn't learn a thing while on probation so he
repeated his stupidity and was
incarcerated]

Now for Steve "Caduceus" Horn's other miscreant brother David who is a 
violent
low life just like
"Caduceus":

DOC Number 0000123383
Name HORN,DAVID WAYNE
Date of Birth Dec 31 1962
Gender M
Race WHITE
Hair Color BLONDE
Eye Color BLUE
Build MEDIUM
Height (feet)5  Height (inches) 8
Weight 150
Last Move Date Jun 5 2007
Facility  OKLAHOMA STATE PENITENTIARY
County of Address TULSA
City of Address TULSA
State of Address OK
Zip Code 74115

Sentences

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 47-4-102
Statute Code Description UNAUTHORIZED USE OF A VEHICLE  [IOW a car thief]
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 27 1989
CRF Number 89-3536
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000002.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-1531
Statute Code Description FALSE PERSONATION
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date Aug 30 1991
CRF Number 90-4615
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000001.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-443
Statute Code Description ESCAPE FROM CONFINEMENT
Issuing Agency MUSKOGEE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Feb 29 2000
CRF Number 90-215
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type SPLIT
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000004.00
Probation Term (years) 000000006.00

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code  63-2-402
Statute Code Description POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date May 30 1995
CRF Number 95-1694
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000007.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 47-11-902
Statute Code Description DUI - LIQUOR OR DRUGS/APCV
Issuing Agency TULSA COUNTY COURT
Start Date Feb 29 2000
CRF Number 2000-57
Status EXPIRED
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000001.50
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number
0000123383 Statute Code 21-1721
Statute Code Description TAPPING OIL/GAS TANK/PIPELINE
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000007.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-1721
Statute Code Description TAPPING OIL/GAS TANK/PIPELINE
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type PAROLE REVOCATION
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000003.58
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 63-2-401.G
Statute Code Description MANUFACTURE OF CDS
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type DETERMINATE
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000007.00
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number
0000123383 Statute Code 63-2-401.G
Statute Code Description MANUFACTURE OF CDS
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Sep 5 2002
CRF Number 2002-136
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type  PAROLE REVOCATION
Incarcerated Term (years) 000000003.58
Probation Term (years)

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 63-2-402  Statute Code Description
POSS OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date Oct 29 2004
CRF Number 2002-136
Status DISCHARGED
Sentence Type PAROLE
Incarcerated Term (years)
Probation Term (years) 000000003.56

[After going through all of the above shit for brains David Horn does
the following]:

DOC Number 0000123383
Statute Code 21-645
Statute Code Description ASSAULT &/OR BATTERY W/DANGEROUS WEAPON
Issuing Agency OSAGE COUNTY COURT
Start Date May 25 2007
CRF Number 2006-220
Status ACTIVE
Sentence Type SUSPENDED
Incarcerated Term (years)
Probation Term (years) 000000002.00

David Horn was out of jail long enough to sign for a summons being served 
on
Steven "Caduceus" Horn:
PROOF OF SERVICE ON SUMMONS SERVED ON STEVEN HORN BY LEAVING COPY W/DAVID
HORN, BROTHER ON 4/17/06 AT HIS USUAL
PLACE OF RESIDENCE. Document Available (#1002939474)
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getimage.tif?submitted=true&casem
asterid=2029891&db=OKLAHOMA&barcode=1002939474

David is probably still living with father Alfred Harvie, mother Carolyn 
and
his mutual fuck up brother
Steven "Caduceus" Horn who is about to go to prison himself to keep up the
tradition of the _Band of Brothers_.

Brief review of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's mentally ill deeds [edited for
brevity]:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=
true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

The information contained in this report is provided in compliance with the
Oklahoma Open Records Act,
51 O.S. 24A.1. Use of this information is governed by this act, as well as
other applicable state and federal laws.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

Filed: 02/13/2007

Judge: Elliott, Ray C.

Parties
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-----
 HORN, STEVEN CRAIG , Defendant
Spencer Police Department , ARRESTING AGENCY
STATE OF OKLAHOMA , Plaintiff

Attorneys
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-----
 Attorney Represented Parties
Gile, Merle(Bar # )
120 N. ROBINSON
STE 2900
OKC,, OK 73102  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG

Events
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PRETRIAL CONFERENCE(PTC)  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG Ray C. Elliott
Wednesday, November 21, 2007 at 13:30 PM
PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 1X(PTC)  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG Ray C. Elliott
Monday, January 28, 2008 at 9:00 AM
JURY TRIAL (ISSUE)(JTI)  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG Ray C. Elliott

Counts
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
 Parties appear only under the counts with which they were charged. For
complete sentence information,
see the court minute on the docket.


Count # 1.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER 
SYSTEM
TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON
IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/08/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Pending.

Count # 2.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER 
SYSTEM
TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON
IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/13/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Pending.

Count # 3.
Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL , in violation of 
21
O.S. 1172
Date Of Offense: 11/02/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Pending.

Docket
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-----
 Date Code Count Party Serial # Entry Date
01-10-2007  AF/SW  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  51701020  Aug 16 2007 
10:05:47:137AM
-  $ 0.00
 AFFIDAVIT AND RETURN OF SEARCH WARRANT/SW-7-11
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
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-----

02-12-2007  WAI$  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178110  Feb 14 2007 
10:38:21:340AM
Realized  $ 50.00
 WARRANT OF ARREST ISSUED, JUDGE: RUSSELL HALL - BOND AMOUNT: $5,000.00

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-----

02-13-2007  TEXT  1  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50164773  Feb 13 2007 
9:03:55:877AM
-  $ 0.00
 CRIMINAL FELONY INITIAL FILING.
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-----

02-13-2007  INFORMATION  1  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178973  Feb 14 2007
11:19:59:480AM  -  $ 0.00
 DEFENDANT STEVEN CRAIG HORN WAS CHARGED WITH COUNT #1, USING A COMPUTER,
COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER
SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HAR
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

02-13-2007  INFORMATION  2  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178974  Feb 14 2007
11:19:45:130AM  -  $ 0.00
 DEFENDANT STEVEN CRAIG HORN WAS CHARGED WITH COUNT #2, USING A COMPUTER,
COMPUTER NETWORK, OR COMPUTER
SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HAR
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

02-13-2007  INFORMATION  3  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50178975  Feb 14 2007
11:19:45:130AM  -  $ 0.00
 DEFENDANT STEVEN CRAIG HORN WAS CHARGED WITH COUNT #3, MAKING A HARASSING
TELEPHONE CALL IN VIOLATION
OF 21 O.S. 1172
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-----

02-13-2007  TEXT  -   50164774  Feb 13 2007 9:03:55:887AM  -  $ 0.00
 OCIS HAS AUTOMATICALLY ASSIGNED JUDGE ELLIOTT, RAY C. TO THIS CASE.
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-----

03-15-2007  BO  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50433433  Mar 15 2007 2:46:26:013PM
Realized  $ 10.00
 PROFESSIONAL BOND FOR HORN, STEVEN CRAIG POSTED BY WALKER, JEANNIE
(PROFESSIONAL:ZIEGLER, VERNIE)
(POWER NUMBER:CB5-32301 ), IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,000.00, POSTED 02/15/2007($
10.00)
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
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-----

03-15-2007  CTARRPL  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  50445674  Mar 16 2007
1:47:36:060PM  -  $ 0.00
 HALL: DEFENDANT PRESENT, OUT OF CUSTODY AND REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL, MERLE
GILE. ARRAIGNMENT HELD.
DEFENDANT WAIVES READING OF THE INFORMATION AND FURTHER TIME TO PLEAD.
DEFENDANT ENTERS A PLEA OF
NOT GUILTY. PRELIMINARY HEARING CONFERENCE SET FOR 04/26/07 @ 1:30PM BEFORE
JUDGE GREGORY RYAN/ BOND
SET IN THE AMOUNT OF $5,000
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
Report Generated by The Oklahoma Court Information System at December 11, 
2007
0:39 AM
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-----
End of Transmission.

HISTORY OF HORN'S CRIMINAL ACTS:
http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html

Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
40-gun cache

Man arrested for alleged threats against woman's children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

	An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman's
children
was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.
	Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn for
allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her children by
e-mail and for making a harassing phone call. Horn was charged with two
counts of using a computer to put another person in fear of harm or death
and one count of making harassing phone calls.
	According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, "What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I means
that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I'm GOD. I decide who
lives and who dies and your two boys die."
	In another, he is alleged to have written, "Remember I have a .45
automatic
and can take your b.....d sons out."
	Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City
Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill himself and
requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been self-medicating 
with
Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.
	Boydston's report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
from
Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been investigating a
threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas Police. Horn 
allegedly
threatened to "shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her (his former
girlfriend) a ticket."
	Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn's phone after he
interviewed
the man, the police report said. "I am God, and I also still have my Ruger
P-90 and it
has a bullet with your name on it," Horn reportedly told him.
	A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn's home along with a
computer
with images of young girls. [Notice Steve "Caduceus" Horn had pictures of
young girls on
his computer thus indicating "Caduceus" is a potential pedophile/child
molester] No information
was given on possible charges related to the images. [Those images must 
have
been pretty
explicit for that statement to be made]
	Horn's father allegedly said his son was mentally unstable and a
potential
danger to himself and others. [Steve's own father admits Steve is a twisted
person IOW]

Boydston's investigation:
The report listed a number of dates associated with the case. The timeline 
of
events and Boydston's investigation is as follows:
Sept. 1, 2005 - a threatening call made to the Garland, Texas police 
station
Dec. 15, 2005 - Oklahoma City Det. Ron Bradford and an inspector interview
Bradford's "former girlfriend" who said he bought a rifle from Wal-mart 
while
on
a date
Dec. 21, 2005 - Oklahoma City Police confiscate 21 firearms, talk to 
suspect;
eventually firearms are returned and no charges filed
Oct. 30, 2006 - Boydston receives the case. He interviews the victim and 
takes
a
look at the e-mails and the profile of the suspect on an Internet dating 
Web
site.
Nov. 2, 2006 - Boydston contacts the OU Police Department's Health Services
Division and gets them to search their database; he identifies the suspect,
interviews
him and later receives a phone call.
Nov. 3, 2006 - Boydston meets with Judge Russell Hall at 10 a.m. and 
obtains a
warrant for Horn's arrest. At 4 p.m. Boydston meets with the Will Rogers
Division of the Oklahoma City Police Department and receives information 
about
their
previous investigation of Horn.
Tuesday - charges filed by Spencer Police
Thursday - Oklahoma City Police arrest Horn at his home
**************************************************************************
***********
http://www.newsok.com/article/3014189/

Sat February 17, 2007
City man faces charges of using computer to threaten, harass
By Ann Kelley
Staff Writer

SPENCER - An Oklahoma City man is charged with threatening to kill a woman 
and
a
Spencer police officer who was investigating the woman's claims that the 
man
was
stalking her.

Steven Craig Horn, 41, was charged Wednesday in Oklahoma County District 
Court
with two felony counts of using a computer to put another person in fear of
death, and a
misdemeanor charge of making harassing telephone calls.

Horn was arrested Nov. 9 after police served a search warrant at his home 
and
confiscated 40 firearms, computers and computer disks, according to court
records.
According to court records, Hamm was investigating a complaint from Melanie
Gay
Jenkins of Spencer, who gave police two threatening e-mails from Horn.

Horn remains free on $5,000 bail.
**************************************************************************
************

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And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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From: 
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hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2008  APLI  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54505370  Jun 26 2008
4:02:11:920PM 
 APPLICATION TO DELIVER THE DEFT TO DEACONESS HOSPITAL & RETURN  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your booking photo:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking.jpg

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:19:24 EST 2009
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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,atl.general,soc.culture.jewish
Subject: NO GROSVENOR Posting ! Only Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay
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NO GROSVENOR Posting !Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay 

Frank Arthur=alias Grosvenor=Gay Ken McVay the fraud 
who changes names every 3 minutes.

Yep, I am Frank Arthur = also using  alias Grosvomit  = 
often alias Gay Ken McVay.

I am  the filthy  fraud  who changes names every 3 minutes,
because I am truly certifiably insane.
I am so insane I claim that all my critics are a grosvenor!

Frank Arthur  [that is me]  sometimes I post using  Bellsouth Internet
Group, except when I post using remailers, anonymously,  to  confuse
people.

I am the fraud Grosvomit [again me] and I often use anonymous
remailers.
As Grosvomit, or Frank Arthur, or Ken McVay   I often post to
alt.homosexual - just to satisfy my need!

The genuine Grosvenor has not posted for years, so I stole his name to
annoy him, and also readers!

Many people believe that I am really  gay Ken McVay the disgusting 
pervert fag from Nanaimo Canada doing all the posting, now that my
ZYD  benefactors  stopped financing all the BS and my one person 
web business.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:32:43 GMT, Venceremos2
 wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2007 12:28:25 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

Frank Arthur, alias Grosvomit,[me]  is just another common thief. 
Some are pickpockets.
Some steal cars. Some steal groceries. 
This human turd steals names.

Here are some of my names -
Arthur Franks,Ernst Zundholz,Yitzak Goldstein,KenOyVeigh,
Frank Arthur,Ariadne,Boris,Bruno,DesiCohen,Flavia13,
Firestone@hemisphere,GeorgesFirestein,HansMueller,
GayMcvay,PanPiotr,RiainBartoski,VictorArcurius,
KenMcvaySOBC Ad infinitum.

All from Frank Arthur alias Edmond Grosvomit the fraud
There is no real person named Grosvomit, just me.

On Wed, 02 May 2007 17:02:32 GMT, KenOyVeigh
 wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:10:00 -0400, "Frank Arthur"  wrote:

>Edmond Grosvomit still reeks of fraudulent names-Arthur Franks today?
>Then a continuous list of faked names again.
>Trust that idiot?

>From all the postings from Frank Arthur, with all the aliases, it seems that
>you must be the Grosvomit, nicht wahr?

On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:45:29 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
wrote:

The poster using Frank Arthur is a fraud.[me]

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.

I am  either insane, or just another ZYD liar, since I have constantly
been posting to this, and other newsgroups!!

The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
He is known as Grosvomit from Canada

There have never been any postings by anyone named Grosvomit, 
just piles of articles by me, Frank Arthur.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show on
the gray 
tab:

Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

There are no gray tabs on newsgroup articles, which proves I am a
lunatic


For the real TRUTH about ZYDS, crooks like me, visit the world
top-rated 
website for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.


From Art@Arthurian.com Sat Jan 31 12:19:25 EST 2009
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From: "Frank Arthur[ZYD]" 
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Subject: Criminal Steven C. Horn alias Caduceus violated  probation=3 Strikes!
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Convicted Felon Steven Craig Horn alias Caduceus violated his
probation with his new death threats

Convicted felon Steven Craig Horn thought that he could avoid
retribution, after he threatend the sheriff in Oklahoma.

There, sheriffs do not get mad, they get even.

How did he think  his prison mug shots got into the public realm?
How did his prison psych records get leaked, so eveyone could know 
about his problems?

How did his enemies in Canada know who in the FBI and Oklahoma State
to contact?

Stevie, your head is not bulletproof.
Your body is not bomb-proof.

Even eyes in the back of your head will not help.

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:06:45 +0100 (CET),
, Dave U.
Random
 wrote:

THE NIGGERS ARE GOING TO REAM YOU OUT FOR SURE NOW STEVIE!!!!

YOU HAVE BEEN A NAUGHTY BOY AGAIN STEVIE. 
YOU JUST GOT OUT OF JAIL ON AUGUST 5,2008 AND YOU
START ANEW YOUR CRIMINBAL TERRORISTIC ACTIVITIES.

Caduceus Says:
November 27, 2008 at 9:28 pm
"I know where you live raghead. I know you phone number you stupid
doon
coon. I know where your family is at. 
You shouldn’t joke about dying American Service Men you dumb ass
sand nigger. I have a Ruger P90 .45 automatic with 10 bullets with 
your name on them Raghead. I’m GOD,I decide who lives and who dies 
and you die raghead. You’re a dead doon coon walking."

Now Back to Prison FOR LIFE?

It seems that felon Steve Horn did not learn his lesson in jail
earlier this year!

Stevie's prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking2.jpg

(((YOU ARE AN UGLY COCK SUCKER STEVE AND IT WOULD PLEASE ME TO NO END 
TO BEAT YOUR SKULL ROYALLY WITH MY POLICE BATON. YOUR HEAD WOULD BE 
NOTHING BUT LUMPS AND BOTH OF YOUR EYES WOULD BE SWOLLEN SHUT. 
I WOULD ALSO WRACK YOUR BALLS WITH MY POLICE BATON SO THEY'D 
SWELL UP TO BASKETBALL SIZE.)))

Now authorities are working on so many charges, that he may never
get out of prison, under the "3 STRIKES LAW".

OKLAHOMA PARDON & PAROLE BOARD
Terry Jenks, Director
First National Center
120 N. Robinson Ave., Suite 900W
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
Phone: (405) 602-5863

is working together with:

FBI Special Agent In Charge [Oklahoma]: Michael B. Ward,
ADA SAM CHAVERS together with RCMP officers across Canada
and Special Prosecutors from RICO, all working on so many
new charges, including:

inter-state use of telecommunications to commit felonies, such as:
        Count # 1.
        Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
        OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
        HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
issuing threats
        Count # 2.
        Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK,
        OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL
        HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Count # 3.
        Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL ,
        in violation of 21 O.S.1172
threatening murder
Breach of Probation Orders
plus many additional criminal charges.

YOUR RAP SHEET CONVICT STEVIE

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

Filed: 02/13/2007
Closed: 04/02/2008

Judge: Elliott, Ray C.

Parties
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 HORN, STEVEN CRAIG , Defendant
Spencer Police Department , ARRESTING AGENCY
STATE OF OKLAHOMA , Plaintiff

Attorneys
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Attorney Represented Parties
Gile, Merle(Bar # )
120 N. ROBINSON
STE 2900
OKC,, OK 73102  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG

Counts
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Count # 1.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, 
OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL 
HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/08/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Disposed: DEFERRED, 04/02/2008. Guilty Plea.
Count as Disposed:USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, 
OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF 
PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH (COMPU) Violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981

Count # 2.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, 
OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF 
PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/13/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Disposed: DEFERRED, 04/02/2008. Guilty Plea.
Count as Disposed:USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, 
OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF 
PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH (COMPU) Violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981

Count # 3.
Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL , 
in violation of 21 O.S. 1172
Date Of Offense: 11/02/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Disposed: DEFERRED, 04/02/2008. Guilty Plea.
Count as Disposed:MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL (TELE)
Violation of 21 O.S. 1172

Docket
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***LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK
LOOK***

**__And here is Steven "Caduceus" Horn getting a visit from
psychiatrist
Randhawa who prescribes meds to mentally ill sociopath Steven Craig
Horn__**

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM
OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO
DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT

**__Info on Dr. Randhawa "Dr. Randhawa practices Psychiatry in Bethany
and
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Dr. Surinder Randhawa graduated from the Med
College / 
Jabalpur University with an MD and she graduated 36 years ago."
http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/
Dr-Surinder-Randhawa-MD-2040DF7E.cfm

"Dr. Randhawa is the Medical Director of CNS Research at the
Institute. 
She obtained her medical degree from India and received her training
in 
General Psychiatry at the University of Oklahoma Health Sciences
Center.  
During Dr. Randhawa’s residency, she served as the Chief Resident of
the 
Psychiatry program. 
She has had past experience in emergency psychiatry and psychiatry
research. 
Currently, Dr. Randhawa is in private practice in Oklahoma City while
working in community psychiatry and geriatric psychiatry."
http://www.lhsi.net/lynnokc_staffprofile.htm  __**
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**__Here is nut boy Steven "Caduceus" Horn being led off to temporary
commitment.
Imagine being such of a sociopath that while in jail Steve Horn is
commited 
to a looney bin.
Judge Ray Elliott should be removed as judge for not sentencing Steve
Horn 
for his two death threat felony convictions and not having Steve's 40
firearms
confiscated.__**

04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN

**__Questions for Steven Craig Horn; were you put in a padded cell and
were you
put in a strait jacket? We all want to know Steve.__**

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08-05-2008  NO  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54903601  Aug 11 2008
12:21:58:767PM  -
$ 0.00
NOTICE OF GOOD BEHAVIOR CREDIT AND/OR CREDIT FOR LABOR
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http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children 
was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for
allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her children
by 
e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.
Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person 
in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing phone
calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, 
“What you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) 
and I means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. 
Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies and your two boys
die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, 
“Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City
Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill himself and
requesting to be put in protective custody.
He had been self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston
reported.

**__TOO BAD YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW ON YOUR THREAT TO KILL YOURSELF STEVE.
THE WORLD
AND USENET WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT A TERMINAL LOSER LIKE YOU.__**

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from 
Horn at the time, but later returned them. 
They had been investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to
Garland,
Texas Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the
pig cop 
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he 
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still 
have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a 
computer with images of young girls.

**__WHAT'S WITH THE PICTURES OF YOUNG GIRLS STEVE? MY MONEY SAYS YOU 
ARE A PEDOPHILE.__**

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger 
to himself and others.

**__YOUR OWN FATHER TOLD THE POLICE ABOUT YOUR MENTAL STATE AND YOU
PROVED
YOURSELF TO BE A PSYCHIATRIC CASE WHEN YOU WERE IN JAIL.__**


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The two felony charges corrupt Judge Ray Elliott overlooked in turning
Steven Craig Horn loose on society again and allowing Steven Craig
Horn 
to be fully armed as ever.

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

Filed: 02/13/2007
Closed: 04/02/2008

Judge: Elliott, Ray C.

Parties
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 HORN, STEVEN CRAIG , Defendant
Spencer Police Department , ARRESTING AGENCY
STATE OF OKLAHOMA , Plaintiff

Attorneys
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Attorney Represented Parties
Gile, Merle(Bar # )
120 N. ROBINSON
STE 2900
OKC,, OK 73102  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG

Counts
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Count # 1.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, 
OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HARM OR
DEATH , 
in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/08/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Disposed: DEFERRED, 04/02/2008. Guilty Plea.
Count as Disposed:USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, 
OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF 
PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH (COMPU) Violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981

Count # 2.
Count as Filed: COMPU, USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, 
OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON IN FEAR OF 
PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH , in violation of 21 O.S. 1951-1981
Date Of Offense: 10/13/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Disposed: DEFERRED, 04/02/2008. Guilty Plea.
Count as Disposed:USING A COMPUTER, COMPUTER NETWORK, 
OR COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT ANOTHER PERSON
IN FEAR OF PHYSICAL HARM OR DEATH (COMPU) Violation of 21 O.S.
1951-1981

Count # 3.
Count as Filed: TELE, MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL , 
in violation of 21 O.S. 1172
Date Of Offense: 11/02/2006

 Party Name: Disposition Information:

Defendant: HORN, STEVEN CRAIG
Disposed: DEFERRED, 04/02/2008. Guilty Plea.
Count as Disposed:MAKING A HARASSING TELEPHONE CALL (TELE)
Violation of 21 O.S. 1172

Docket
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01-28-2008  CTFREE  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53113784  Jan 28 2008
9:21:38:490AM
ELLIOTT: COMES ON FOR JURY TRIAL. 
DEFT APPEARS IN PERSON OUT OF CUSTODY WITH COUNSEL MERLE GILE.
STATE PRESENT BY ADA SAM CHAVERS. 
DEFT ENTERS A BLIND PLEA OF GUILTY.
FORMAL SENTENCING SET 3/19/2008 @ 1:30 PM BEFORE JUDGE ELLIOTT. 
PSI ORDERED. BONDSMAN AGREES TO STAY ON BOND.
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01-28-2008  TEXT  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53138082  Jan 30 2008
9:21:17:283AM
BONDSMAN AGREEMENT TO REMAIN ON DEFENDANT'S BOND UNTIL FORMAL
SENTENCING.
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
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04-02-2008  DEFERRED  1  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53722354  Apr 3 2008
10:48:07:750AM
ELLIOTT: COMES ON FOR SENTENCING. 
DEFENDANT APPEARS IN PERSON, WITH ATT'Y MERLE GILE. 
STATE PRESENT BY ADA SAM CAHVERS. 
DEFENDANT IS SENTENCED AS FOLLOWS: SENTENCING DATE IS DEFERRED
UNTIL THE 1ST DAY OF APRIL 2013 [5 YEAR DEFERRED SENTENCE] AS TO ALL
COUNTS
EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST [9] MONTHS TO SERVE IN OKLAHOMA COUNTY JAIL. 
DEFENDANT IS TO BE SUPERVISED UNDER THE RULES AND
CONDITIONS OF SUPERVISED PROBATION.

http://www.oklahomacriminallaw.com/state_felony_process.htm
Deferred Sentence
When a defendant receives a deferred sentence it means that the
defendant 
enters a plea, the judge excepts the plea but does not find the
defendant guilty. 
Instead the judge defers the sentencing for a period of time upon
certain 
conditions that the defendant must satisfy. If the defendant complies
with 
the terms of deferment on the review date the defendant will be
allowed
to withdraw his or her plea and any record of a plea will be expunged.
A
defendant who successfully completes a deferred sentence will not be a
convicted felon.
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Thanks to incompetent Judge Ray C. Elliott we now have a mentally ill 
sociopath set loose on society and being armed to the teeth after the 
defendant plead guilty to two felony charges where he made death
threats 
to numerous people using his firearms.

Judge Elliott should promptly be removed from the judiciary for being
incompetent and unfit for the judiciary and he should undergo a
psychiatric 
evaluation. 
Judge Elliott should also serve prison time as well as being an
accomplice 
to Convict Horn's current criminal activites.
Convict Horn afterall would not have been able to do perpetrate this
crime: 
"I know where you live raghead. I know you phone number you stupid
doon coon. 
I know where your family is at. You shouldn’t joke about dying
American
Service Men you dumb ass sand nigger. I have a Ruger P90 .45 automatic
with 10
bullets with your name on them Raghead. 
I’m GOD, I decide who lives and who dies and you die raghead.
You’re a dead doon coon walking." on November 27, 2008 if it weren't 
for Judge Elliott not doing his job and keeping society safe
>from criminals such as Steven "Caduceus" Horn.

Stevie's prison Booking Mug Shot:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking2.jpg

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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From: "Steven Craig Horn Is a Convicted Felon@OKC.OK"

Subject: Questions Steven "Caduceus" Horn runs from. Watch him run and
hide and watch him forge me.
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:27:59 -0600
Organization: Exposer of Steven "Caduceus" Horn's Psychopathy and
Crimes

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:08:59 -0600,
, Caduceus
 wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:46:57 +0100, "DVH"  wrote:

>>"Anonymous Remailer"  wrote in 
>>message 
>>news:36e69ec31c10e910f5307a7bbbfc28b7@gpftor3.privacyfoundation.de...
>>> http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

>>> IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
>>> STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
>>>          Plaintiff,
>>> v.
>>> STEVEN CRAIG HORN,

>>Hey. That's 40 Guns Horn to you, cunt. 

Yep--- 40 guns in the hands of a mentally disturbed cretin who was
found guilty of making telephone calls and sending e-mails threatening
people by saying: "Remember I’m GOD. I decide who lives and who dies
and your two boys die... Remember I have a .45 automatic and can take
your b.....d sons out... shoot the judge and the pig cop that gave her
(his former girlfriend) a ticket... I am God, and I also still have
my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it...” 

>Remailers are lame.

What everyone really wants to know about your jail time:

1) What meds did Dr. Randhawa Psychiatrist prescribe for you?
2) What were you doing so the sheriff had to summon a shrink in the
first place?
3) How long was your temporary commitment?
4) Were you put in a padded cell?
5) Were you put in a strait jacket?
6) Why were you taken to Deaconess Hospital on June 23, 2008? Did a
fellow inmate work you over?
7) In your police mug shot why is your right eye larger that your left
eye? Did the Spencer Police use their night sticks on you?
8) Why do you have pictures of young girls on your computer?
9) Do you know it is a federal crime for people with mental disorders
to own and possess firearms?
10) Do you know it is a federal crime to lie on your BATF/FBI
background check when you purchase firearms
and not mention you have a record of mental illness?
11) Why are all of the forgeries you do in other people's identities
homo-erotic? Aren't you
expressing your own desires and showing how much you miss your jail
humps?

http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/booking.jpg  What
were you thinking when the police officer took this photo?

Here are the public records Steven:

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2133794&db=Oklahoma

IN THE DISTRICT COURT IN AND FOR OKLAHOMA COUNTY, OKLAHOMA
STATE OF OKLAHOMA,
          Plaintiff,
v.
STEVEN CRAIG HORN,
          Defendant.  No. CF-2007-864
(Criminal Felony)

04-03-2008  O  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53764428  Apr 8 2008
12:04:23:753PM  
 OK CO SHERIFF WHETSEL IS ORDERED TO DIRECT THE MEDICAL STAFF OF OK CO
JAIL TO DISPENSE PRESCRIPTIONS
>FROM DR. RANDHAWA TO DEFT/JUDGE ELLIOTT 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
04-09-2008  TCSR  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  53822768  Apr 14 2008
1:24:00:433PM  
 TEMPORARY COMMITMENT W/SHERIFF'S RETURN 
Document Available at Court Clerk's Office
MICROFILM: REEL 1144 FRAMENUMBER 571 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

06-23-2008  APLI  -  HORN, STEVEN CRAIG  54505370  Jun 26 2008
4:02:11:920PM 
 APPLICATION TO DELIVER THE DEFT TO DEACONESS HOSPITAL & RETURN  

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your booking photo:
http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/booking.jpg

http://www.mwcsun.com/local/local_story_050094629.html
Published: February 19, 2007 09:46 am
 40-gun cache
 Man arrested for alleged threats against woman’s children
By Eric Bradshaw, staff writer
The Sunday Sun

An Oklahoma City man accused of threatening to shoot a woman’s
children was arrested Thursday just after midnight at his home.

Spencer Police filed charges Tuesday against Steven Craig Horn, 46,
for allegedly making death threats against an area woman and her
children by e-mail and for making a harassing phone call.

Horn was charged with two counts of using a computer to put another
person in fear of harm or death and one count of making harassing
phone calls.

According to court records, Horn allegedly wrote in one e-mail, “What
you did between (a woman Horn claims is a former girlfriend) and I
means that you can kiss your two sons good-bye. Remember I’m GOD. I
decide who lives and who dies and your two boys die.”

In another, he is alleged to have written, “Remember I have a .45
automatic and can take your b.....d sons out.”

Spencer Det. Olan Boydston said he received information from Oklahoma
City Police that Horn called them on July 7 threatening to kill
himself and requesting to be put in protective custody. He had been
self-medicating with Valium and alcohol, Boydston reported.

Boydston’s report said Oklahoma City Police confiscated 21 firearms
>from Horn at the time, but later returned them. They had been
investigating a threatening call Horn allegedly made to Garland, Texas
Police. Horn allegedly threatened to “shoot the judge and the pig cop
that gave her (his former girlfriend) a ticket.”

Boydston received an anonymous call traced to Horn’s phone after he
interviewed the man, the police report said. “I am God, and I also
still have my Ruger P-90 and it has a bullet with your name on it,”
Horn reportedly told him.

A cache of 40 firearms was confiscated from Horn’s home along with a
computer with images of young girls.

Horn’s father said his son was mentally unstable and a potential
danger to himself and others.

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
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Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

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Holocaust Hoax costs American taxpayers over $35 BILLION per year

The Holocaust Hoax costs American taxpayers over $35 BILLION per year

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 04:26:45 GMT, in alt.revisionism "abc"

wrote:

"Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be
convinced 
that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax.

Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and 
fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers.
In 
1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in 
Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly
evident on 
all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter
found 
no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.

In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove
Leuchter's 
findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever
occurring.

The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely
faulty. 
These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically
sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the
Germans 
had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died
themselves, 
as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also,
no 
equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. 
Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the
chambers. 
There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls,
floors 
or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed.

Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one
body 
has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We
have 
been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these
persons died 
of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those
were 
murdered Germans, not Jews. Roughly the equivalent of ten football
fields 
should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, yet not
one 
body has ever been discovered.

The Germans documented everything in meticulous detail from shrubbery
to 
arbors, but no pre-war or wartime plans or documents exist that detail
or 
even mention any gas chambers for reasons of genocide. All documents
ever 
presented were drawn up AFTER the war.

Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every
so-called gas 
chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six
million 
Jews!

Even The Diary of Anne Frank is a hoax. Portions of the diary were
written 
with a ball point pen. These pens were not in use at the time Anne
Frank 
lived.

It is not denied concentration camps existed. Tragically, many died of
typhus or starvation, as often happens in such situations. There is, 
however, no evidence that any gassings occurred for the reasons of
genocide.

Israel continues to receive trillions of dollars worldwide as
retribution 
for Holocaust gassings. Our country has donated more money to Israel
than to 
any other country in the history of the world -- over $35 billion per
year, 
everything included. If not for our extravagantly generous gifts to
Israel, 
every family in America could afford a brand new Mercedes Benz. Surely
the 
American people would be outraged if they realized their hard-earned
money 
is being squandered in these difficult times.

With all this money at stake for Israel, it is easy to comprehend why
this 
Holocaust hoax is so secretly guarded. The Jewish name for Holocaust
is 
"Shoah." In Zionist circles, it is known as "Shoah Business." If
nothing 
else, this unbelievable coverup demonstrates the irrepressible Zionist
influence and control of our country. Their only defense against the
facts 
is to cry out "antisemitic," "Skinhead" or "Nazi," whereas the
majority of 
those who question the Holocaust are ordinary citizens...though you
would 
never know it from the media.

In whatever way you can, please help shatter this profitable myth. It
is 
time we stop sacrificing America's welfare for the sake of Israel and
spend 
our hard-earned dollars on Americans.

(For more information contact The Institute for Historical Review P.O.
Box 
2739 Newport Beach, CA 92659 USA).

There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust
never 
existed. Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, (Pan Horizons edition,
Pan 
Books Ltd., London, 1989), indicates that the size of Auschwitz, the
most 
notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only 11,000
people 
(many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by the
Germans at 
the time of the Russian advance in 1945. Certainly, compared to
Spielberg's 
film, Schindler's List (which Emilie Schindler, Oskar's widow, said
was full 
of lies), and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of
Jews 
were systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small
number. 
Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have had
hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137
people PER 
HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been exterminated at such
small 
camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly impossible 
considering that, according to Douglas Reed's Behind the Scene and The
Controversy of Zion, a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed by
the 
entire German and Japanese war machines combined during WW2 (see
p.397-400 
of Douglas Reed's book Controversy of Zion). People who would believe
the 
Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated by Hitler
must 
KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY
FEW 
OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WW2.
On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A. Lindbergh 
broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that
when 
Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following WW2, he
was 
told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic tells
us that 
25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In fact, it 
doesn't even equal 600,000. . . .

It is an interesting fact that the number of so-called persecuted Jews
KEEPS 
INCREASING. Hal Greenwald, program director for the Hillel Foundation
at 
Duke University, a Jewish student group, has been promoting the idea
that 
NINE MILLION JEWS WERE EXTERMINATED IN HITLER'S GAS CHAMBERS (New York
Times, Nov. 9, 1991, AP). NOW IT'S 9 MILLION AND GROWING. ..JUST LIKE
OUR 
DEBT/TAX MONEY SUPPLY...THE NUMBERS JUST KEEP COMING OUT OF THIN AIR.
. 
.(The Bible Caused Economic and Financial Slavery in the New World
Order by 
Lee Cheney)".

Read the entire article online in depth:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website 
for JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION 
WITH NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - 
no wonder people around the world are really disliking the 
Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Reply-To: Frank Arthur - Art@Arthurian.com,
And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
http://www.google.com/lochp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=378%20MCDONOUGH%20BLVD%20SE+ATL
ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn 
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
kcom@breakthru.com
kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.



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The poster using Arthur Franks is a fraud, and a homosexual pervert [me].
I sometimes use "Grosvenor of Canada" or often I use many
fraudulent names.
Garbage like me, Frank Arthur causes distrust among readers here.

I am the legitimate Frank Arthur and I did not post to this newsgroup.
The pervert who used my name is a person of no honor.
Since I am insane, I say that I am not posting, even when I do.

The way to know if I am the legitimate Frank Arthur it will show
on the gray tab [which only I can see] :
Organization: BellSouth Internet Group

Many people think that I am really gay Ken McVay, hehehe


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> >On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:14:11 -0400, "Frank Arthur" 
> >wrote:

>>>The poster using Frank Arthur IS a fraud.


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And here is my address as promised, so call or visit, days or nights:
FRANK H ARTHUR
378 MCDONOUGH BLVD SE
ATLANTA, GA 30315
(770) 739-6508
Map to Frankie's residence:
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ANTA+GA+30315

or to Steve Horn - kcom@breakthru.com,
Steven Craig Horn
aka KCOM aka Caduceus
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
shorn@spamcop.net
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kcom@hushmail.com
kcom@earthlink.net

KenMcVay@vex.net
Picture of disgusting pervert at:
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_Kenneth_McVay.jpg

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.





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Even Jews are now so critical of this disgusting pervert, that
Sol Littman/Bnai Brith set up a special website critical of McVay at:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml

From: "david_michael" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.revisionism,can.general
Subject: Re: Background info on Kenny McVay
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:01:40 +0100

THE MCVAY FILES

Compiled by Dr D. E. Michael,

CONTENTS

1. Introduction
2. Biodata
2.1 Biography
2.2 Family
2.3 Disability
2.4 Height
2.5 Tastes
2.6 Political affiliations
3. Contact details
3.3 Residential details
3.4 Office details
3.5 E-mail details
4. Financial/business details
4.1 Recent clients
4.2 Employment history
4.2.1 The official version (from Nizkor/McVay)
4.2.2 The unofficial version (from a Toronto newspaper)
4.3 Political funding
5. Negative information
5.1 Sexual sleaze
5.1.1 The Alice in Wonderland gaffe
5.1.2 The 'I fail to see harm' in child pornography gaffe
5.2 The 'anti-racist' who uses racial abuse
5.3 The man who gives advice on drug prices
5.4 The man who offered to kill his own father
5.5 The man who has a history of squabbles with other
anti-revisionists
5.5.1 Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger
5.5.2 Sol Littman
5.5.3 Disagreement with unnamed supporters over management of Nizkor
5.5.4 Argument with Yale F. Edeiken, David 'Orac' Gorski and John
Morris
regarding use of personal information about supporters of revisionists
5.6 Incompetent and deliberately misleading research
5.6.1. NetGuide errors
5.6.2 Misleading and out-of-context quotations
5.6.3 Plain incompetence - my biography
5.7 The Nizkor funding controversy
5.7.1 Nizkor's official position re. B'nai Brith Canada
5.7.2 The allegation re. B'nai Brith Canada
5.7.3. McVay's responses to the attacks
5.7.4 The San Antonio Fund
5.7.5 Ken Lewis's response to the attacks
5.6.7 Is Nizkor really just a Web site and not an organization?
5.8 Encouragement of denial-of-service attacks on opponents
6. Conclusion

Appendix - note on Usenet and Web citations

1. INTRODUCTION

The following dossier on Mr Kenneth McVay of Nanaimo, British
Columbia, Canada,the 'director' of the Nizkor Project, has been
compiled entirely from publicdomain resources. Copious notes give
sources for particular items of information. All of the information is
correct and easily verifiable as at December 2002. It will obviously
need to be updated from time to time. In particular, Mr McVay is very
adept at removing embarrassing information from Websites rather
quickly, so use should be made of historical Internet archiving
resources such as the Internet Archive Wayback Machine
(http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html) to obtain information
that has been removed. The sources given here will need to be updated
accordingly to keep abreast of this. It will be observed that, with a
very few exceptions, most of the information results either from
Usenet posts made by Mr McVay to the Internet, or his own Web pages,
or interviews that he has given to the press.

Why prepare a lengthy dossier on Mr McVay? There are several very good
reasons.

(a) Mr McVay, as I shall demonstrate, deliberately misrepresents
Nizkor's financial and organizational affairs. It is right that this 
should be
publicized so that those who fund and do business with this gentleman
know the sort of person with whom they're becoming involved.

(b) Mr McVay's Nizkor Project purports to be an 'educational
resource'. It tries, inter alia, to sell to our schoolchildren a particular
view of revisionist historians and those who make common cause with such
historians. I am thus performing a public service in bringing to the 
notice of
the wider community some of the more controversial aspects of Mr McVay's 
life
and work, including his rather poor research, his somewhat sleazy financial
associations, the fact that he has been the subject of much criticism
>from his own side for his unorthodox methods, his controversial views
on such matters as drugs and child pornography, and his avowed
willingness to commit murder. The fact that he is a liar also deserves
note.
 If our children are to be 'taught' by men like Mr McVay, they have
every right to know such things about this 'teacher'. So do their
parents.

(c) Mr McVay specializes in collecting dirt on people and using it to
smear them. He is very adept, as will be shown below, at taking quotations
out of context, at giving only half of the story - at misleading. As 
children
and impressionable minds are the intended targets of his material it is
right that they and their guardians should know a little about the sort of
person who is providing it.

(d) I am a victim of one of Mr McVay's smear campaigns. Mr McVay has
posted many, many articles (often with identical wording) to Usenet 
accusing
me of all sorts of things of which I am quite innocent. He has even
posted some of his nonsense to local newsgroups in the areas in which
he thinks I live - this can only be intended to damage my good name
and to cause harm to my family and to me. I am not the only person who
has had to endure this sort of hate campaign from Mr McVay.

One Mr William Grosvenor of Canada found his name and address
published on McVay's Nizkor Web site. Grosvenor was firebombed.

Mr Scott Bradbury also had his address and telephone number posted on
Mr McVay's Web site and was made the victim of a ferocious campaign of
telephone harassment. The civil law offers no protection when the
perpetrator has limited financial resources and the British police,
political to the core, are worse than useless.
In compiling this dossier I am sending a message to Mr McVay that I
have not been intimidated into silence by him and that I will continue to
expose him and his dwindling band of supporters for the dishonest
people that they are.

(e) Mr McVay publishes, on his Nizkor site, lengthy dossiers on people
- including myself. Some of us feel that this is an intrusion into our
privacy - particularly as some of the information is incorrect, defamatory,
misleading and/or negative and we are given little or no opportunity to
correct it or to place it in context. It is perhaps only fair that those 
who
use this particular technique for 'discouraging' debate about World War II
history should be sent a message that the compilation of dossiers is a
game at which both sides can play.
I, at least, make a reasonable attempt to get my facts straight.

It is in this spirit of defiance that I proudly present The McVay
Files.

D. E. Michael

December 2002

2. BIODATA

2.1 Biography
Born: Santa Clara, California, USA, 2 October 1940.1
Studied: computer science.2
Married: 19613 (subsequently divorced, apparently around 1986 - see
below).
Moved: to British Columbia (with family and basset hound), 1967.4
Financial failure: He described what happened next in a Usenet post:5

Once upon a time, millions of salmon ago, I moved my family from a
Yankee city all the way up across the Canadian border and right there about
500 miles up the arsehole of the world. At the time, I was convinced I had
whatever it was it took to be a pioneer - to hack a home out of the
bush and raise my children there. (I was wrong, but that's often been
the case in my life, so I've gotten used to it :-)) I wanted to buy my
daughter a pony. All I had, mind you, to KEEP a pony, was 160 acres of
certified, mosquito-filled raw Canadian bush, but that rarely
prevented me from doing things like buying a horse for my critter, so
of course I bought her one - if anyone cares about that tail, try
getting Lisa over to rec.equestrian to chat, or ask her (politely) via
email. I so enjoyed watching Lisa with that horse that it wasn't long
before I went out and bought her another one - about the size of a
small house. When Reality finally set in, several horse stories later,
I realized that there was no way on God's earth that I could keep
those horses, and I had to explain that to my daughter.

He gave more detail of the cause of his financial failure in an
interview to The Idler:6

In Canada with his schoolteacher wife, McVay set up a dedicated server
to connect Salmon farmers, which was used to track the price of fish food
and commodities. When the price of farm-raised fish plunged from $4.00 to
$2.00 a pound, many of his customers went belly-up. But McVay still had
contracts to provide computer service.
Started anti-revisionist work: 1991.7

Began Nizkor: January 1992.8

Awards:

A list of awards supposedly received by Ken McVay's Nizkor site may be
found on that site itself.9 More notable among McVay's awards are the
Order of British Columbia 1995 and the Media Human Rights Award,
presented by B'nai Brith Canada, in March 1996.10 He received an award
>from Eye magazine for his Nizkor site in 1999.11

Citizenship:

Retains Canadian and US dual citizenship.12
Obtained Canadian citizenship in 1973, 'partially in protest over the war 
in
'Nam, and partially to express my thanks to Canada for providing me with
training, health care, and apeaceful way of life'.13

2.2 Family

Father: born 1915, died 1989 of cancer.14 Served in Army Intelligence
in the Pacific theater during WWII.15
Mother born: 1917.16 Built landing craft for Food Machinery
Corporation.17
Parental vices: Ken's mother and father were both fond of Martinis.18
Brother: served in the US Marines.19

Marriage(s)

Ken was married to a schoolteacher in 1961,20 from whom he claims he
was divorced after 25 years of marriage (thus around 1986).21
However, he makes Usenet references to a wife as late as 1992, which
suggest that he might have remarried.22

Descendants

He has four children and eight grandchildren.23
His children consist of three girls and one boy.

Daughter 1

One daughter is Lisa Lambeth (formerly Lisa Graham).
Lisa apparently divorced Mr Graham24 to marry Mr Garry Lambeth (former
e-mail address
grease@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT])and then split with Mr Lambeth.25
Lisa was the founder of a group called Parents for Enforcing Regular
Child Support (PERCS).26
Lisa appears to have been involved in some way with a musician by the
name of Dan Livingstone, and they evidently shared an e-mail address,
lisandan@home.com (now defunct). Lisa appears to be involved in
promotions work in the music industry.
She works from:Suite 46-855 Howard Avenue, Nanaimo BC, Canada V9R 5V4,
tel. 250-753-4571 apparently for Stride Productions, where she is 
associated
with one Nigel Mack.

Lisa's earlier e-mail addresses included: lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca
[DEFUNCT]
Lisa's last known e-mail address was llambeth@nanaimo.ark.com.
Lisa has two daughters: Chelsea, born 1982 (old e-mail address:
chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bdc.ca {DEFUNCT]), and another girl born 1987,
both apparently by Mr Graham. Chelsea has light brown hair and is
interested in horses, running and music.

Son

McVay has a son who served in the American Marines in the Gulf during
Operation Desert Storm in 1991.27 Specifically, he served in Marine
2nd. LAI Btn28 near Khafji, Saudi Arabia.29

Prior to serving in the Marines, McVay's son had difficulty finding a
job, being rejected by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.30

After returning from the Gulf he worked for a short period in Portland
before returning to Canada,31 and in 1996 was serving in the US Army.32

In 1991 McVay's son had a Canadian wife and a daughter.33

In June 1996, McVay was to claim that his son was suffering from Gulf
War Syndrome.34, although evidently this was not so severe as to prevent
him remaining in the employ of the US Army as at November of the same
year.35

Daughter 2

One of the other daughters was teaching in Portland in 1992.36

Daughter 3

The third daughter was living in Canada in 1992.37

It appears that some of McVay's children other than Lisa have also
been divorced.38

2.3 Disability

Ken now has permanent hearing loss and wears hearing aids.39 He is not
in good health, suffering from tendonitis and carpal tunnel syndrome.40

2.4 Height

6'3"41

2.5 Tastes42

Beer: Newcastle Brown Ale, Waterloo Dark, Ruddles County Ale

Cognac: Remy Martin Grand Champagne, Martel Cordon Bleu

Comedian: John Cleese

Comedy group: Monty Python's Flying Circus

Delis: Montreal: Schwartz's (likes their smoked meat platter).
Toronto: Wolfie's, 670 Sheppard Avenue W. (likes the corned beef sandwich).

Dog: Bassett hound

Pizza joints: Pasta la Vista, Winnipeg, Manitoba La Cantina, Hamilton,
Ontario

Politician: Pierre Elliot Trudeau

Scifi: book Endor's Game (Orson Scott Card)

Sports cars: MGTD & BGT, Austin-Healy Sprite, Lotus 7 Mk IV

Stout: Guinness, daft preferred; Murphy's will do in a pinch

Wine (red): Australian Shiraz and Merlots, The Wolf Blass label, from
Bilyara Cellars

Wine (white) bletch

Music: blues, 'new country' music, Beethoven's Ninth Symphony

Motor sport.

2.6 Political affiliations

In 1996 Mr McVay claimed to be apolitical, stating that he had not
voted since 1973.43
Nevertheless, he continues to claim Pierre Trudeau as his
favourite politician. He has also expressed admiration for America's
Ross Perot44

3 CONTACT DETAILS

3.1 Residential details:

995 Bowen Road, Apt. 3108, Nanaimo, British Columbia V9R 2A4, Canada.
Same telephone number as office (see below). (Correct at December 2002.)

(Note that on 8 May 1996 Edmonton Jewish Life (EJL) gave his home
address as 1 North Morgan Cres., Port Alberni BC V9Y 6C1.45 As at December
2002, there was, in fact, no number 1 on this particular street.)

3.2 Office details:

462-1150, North Terminal Avenue, Nanaimo BC, Canada V9S 5T8,
tel.(250) 616 9431.

Also used the following toll-free number as of October 2002:
877-505-7761

The postal address he uses for this is:

PO Box 244, Station A, Nanaimo BC, Canada, V9R 5K9

His former office address (i.e. that of his consultancy company in the
early 1990s, for example on 10 January 1990) was 1B Systems Management Ltd,
4B - 2520 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, BC V9T.
It also operated from 5-1601 Bowen Road Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 
CA,
tel. (604) 758-2499.

3.3 E-mail details

He has used various e-mail addresses including, inter alia:
kmcvay@brobeck.com [DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@oneb [DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
periodic@oneb.almanac.bc.ca {DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@island.net [DEFUNCT]
nizkor@derechos.org
kenmcvay@kenmcvay.com
kmcvay@nizkor.org
sales@toccatas.com
wpgold@kenmcvay.com
support@webposition.com
kmcvay@vex.net

He has someone called Dawn handling his bookings for him.46 Whether
this is his partner, secretary or a volunteer is not clear. Her e-mail
address is:
dawn@nizkor.org 

4. FINANCIAL/BUSINESS DETAILS

Kenneth McVay is not, in fact, a full-time employee of Nizkor. Instead
he works as a freelance Internet marketing consultant. He calls
himself Ken McVay Consulting Group and is registered as self-employed.

4.1 Recent clients

These include:

1. Kiosk.ws 47 (telephone 1-819-682-3744). This is owned by Telco
Advertising, 38 Belmont Drive, Aylmer, Quebec, Canada J9H 2M7 and
run by Frank Therien, Joel Therien, Jo-Ann Higgs, Olivier Bedard, Billy 
Neil
and Ilona Innus.
2. First Place Software,48 2452 North Malang Road, Joplin, MO 64801,
USA
(Telephone 1-417-781-3282)
3. Pro-List49 owned by OpportunitySeekers, PO, Box 1294, Bloomfield,
New Jersey 07003, USA. The people behind this are Jim Vigilante and
Robert Stemmer.
Telephone: (908) 313-4735.
4. Brobeck, Phleger & Harrison attorneys (multiple addresses - big
international law firm).50
5. Triple Your Money.51 This is owned by GlobalOne, PO Box 1126,
Russellville AR 72811, USA. Phone: (479) 967-6335 Fax: (479) 967-7362
6. He also sells an online Internet marketing journal, Wired2Cash,
available
>from http://kenmcvay.com/.52 This appears to be associated with an
organization called NOAN Inc,53 34 Dale Park Drive, Courtice ON L1E
2Z4, Canada. (01- 905-433-2427)

4.2 Employment history

4.2.1 The official version (from Nizkor/McVay)

Marines: Ken purports to have been in the US marines.54 He claims to
have left the marines in or around 1963.55
He gives his reasons for leaving thus:56

I moved to Canada in 1967. I have an honorable discharge from the
Corps, (1963), but was active in the anti-war movement, and decided
that moving to Canada was preferable to continuing the painful process
of watching the United States tear itself apart over 'Nam.

The cynic might thus be forgiven for concluding that he appears to
have fled to avoid military action.

Provision of computer facilities: On arrival in Canada he provided
computer facilities for salmon farmers and others. This was unsuccessful.57

During the early 1990s he ran a computer consulting firm called 1B
Systems Management Limited,58

operating from 5-1601 Bowen Road Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 CA
(604)758-2499 and 4B - 2520 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, BC V9T.

Menial jobs after computer business failed:

While in British Columbia he had numerous menial jobs including seven
years doing construction and maintenance work in sawmills.59

In June 1992 he claimed to be living on less than $13,000 per year. 60

In May 1993 he claimed that he'd been laid off from a software support
job in May 1992.61

In 1994 he was working in a combined convenience store/gas station in
British Columbia.62

Nizkor and speaking By spring 1996 he had given up this job to work
full time on the Nizkor project.63

By 1996 he was earning a small sum of money (which he variously claims
was $1,200 per month and $1,500 per month) from speaking engagements
(see funding below).

In 1999 he was charging $750 per day (negotiable) for his speaking
services.64
This asking fee remained the same in 2001.65

His schedule66 indicates that he had a fairly busy speaking schedule
in 1999 (the very year when he purported to be in such dire financial
difficulties that he was contemplating selling Nizkor - see below).
His schedule became markedly less busy in 2000, disappeared
altogether in 2001, but showed signs of renewed life late in 2002.

Internet marketing consultancy

By 1999 he was earning his living as an Internet marketing
consultant,67 his home page claiming that 'he earns his living as a
consultant, and travels extensively. His client list includes Justice 
Canada
and the Ontario Ministry of the Attorney General.' Again, this was at the 
time
when he was announcing to all and sundry that Nizkor was in such dire 
straits
financially that it was about to close!

4.2.2 The unofficial version (from a Toronto newspaper)

Much of the above might be fronting something slightly more serious.
It is possible that Mr McVay might have police connections and might in 
fact
be working under cover in some way with the 'intelligence community'. The
cat was apparently let out of the bag by an article in the Toronto Star, 
dated
22 March 1999, which stated that Ken McVay was 'a member of the
Vancouver police department for 19 years'.68

Could this be the wrong Ken McVay? Not if one considers that Vancouver
is just a few miles from Nanaimo, and certainly not if one considers
the text of the article:

Speaker Ken McVay, a member of the Vancouver police department for 19
years, said advocacy groups are also guilty of apathy in response to
cyber-hate.'

In 1995, McVay came across an Edmonton man's Web site that targeted
homosexuals.
After contacting a Toronto advocacy group in July, 1997, and a gay
advocacy group in the fall of 1997, McVay said he's still waiting for a
response.

Silence welcomes hate crimes, he said.

"Unfortunately, hate is a marginalized issue", said McVay, stressing
that a collective powerful voice of millions opposing Internet hate is
absent.

It should also be noted that McVay appears to have, or to have had, in
1991, high-level connections with the American army.69

His father worked for US intelligence, thus McVay has well-established
links to the American intelligence network.70

'Thomas Schwann' has posted the following on McVay's alleged
connection with the 'intelligence community':71

I took the liberty to look into the matter about a year earlier.
=====
The following was deleted from nic.ddn.mil some time between
17 July 1996 and 19 August 1996. However, as of 19 August 1996
the email address still worked. It was originally captured on 17 July
1996. It disppeared just prior to a 256 copy mailbomb from gryn.org
saying that it was false information. The owner of gryn.org, Alec
Grynspan, openly bragged about having been involved with the
Mossad, i.e. Israeli intelligence.
===
McVay, Ken (KM214)
1B Systems Management Limited
5-1601 Bowen Road
Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 CAN
(604) 758-2499
=====
and the finger function was disabled after the mailbomb. But note
the difference between the company name, 1B, and the internet name
oneb as a number can not lead in an internet address.
Some time later I tried it again and finder was working again
and I got this information. The file date for the file on my disk is
12 April 1997.
=====
name server whois.nic.ddn.mil [note on the military nameserver]
results of

finger @oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Login Name TTY Idle When Where
emcc Ed McCrudden pts/11 Sat 16:21
ppp-130.isdn-3.ican.
rasmus Rasmus Lerdorf pts/1 24 Sat 16:49 jetpen.com
jim Jim Mercer pts/10 2:19 Sat 12:45
gecko.reptiles.org
dacole Dave Cole pts/5 1:30 Mon 17:10
graymatter:S.0
erichall Eric Hall *pts/6 1:39 Sat 07:37
cyber3.servtech.com
andrew Andrew Herdman pts/7 1:04 Fri 15:42
ghoul.uunet.ca
leslie Leslie pts/9 Sat 15:01
indy4.indy.net
pjp Peter Philipp *pts/15 14 Sat 15:51
dialin519:S.0
dacole Dave Cole pts/18 20: Fri 15:44
graymatter.net
dacole Dave Cole pts/17 1:47 Sat 02:43
graymatter:S.1
sjohns Stephen Johns pts/21 9:08 Tue 16:00
trt-on22-12:S.1
plaid Alex pts/3 7 Thu 14:43
spc-isp-tor-uas-1-30
pjp Peter Philipp *pts/24 14 Sat 17:03
dialin519:S.2
sjohns Stephen Johns pts/2 37 Sun 21:43
trt-on22-12:S.0
plaid Alex pts/25 19 Sat 14:42
spc-isp-tor-uas-1-30
mot Samantha Lerner pts/30 48 Sat 16:27 fozzy:S.2
mot Samantha Lerner *pts/20 53 Sat 13:05 fozzy:S.1
darcy D'Arcy J. M. Cain pts/23 4 Sat 15:30 druid.com
mot Samantha Lerner pts/19 51 Sat 13:04 fozzy:S.0
mot Samantha Lerner pts/31 1 Sat 14:47 fozzy:S.3
darcy D'Arcy J. M. Cain pts/34 Sat 15:36 druid.com
pjp Peter Philipp *pts/37 Sat 16:05
dialin519:S.1
mattp Matt Pounsett *pts/28 17: Wed 11:02
conundrum.com
plaid Alex pts/12 19 Sat 16:39
spc-isp-tor-uas-1-30
address book kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca

Login Name TTY Idle When Where
kmcvay Kenneth McVay OBC pts/12 <Mar 31 07:53>

[Note: There have been claims this is a different Ken McVay but a
search of the British Columbia website regarding the OBC, only one Ken
McVay is listed as having been made that award.]

[Note: When it was announced in alt.revisionism that finger was
operating again, it was shut off again within 24 hours. That puts a
direct connection between alt.revisionism and 1B Systems which was
nice of them to demonstrate in real time.]

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[Note: nizkor was originally hosted on almanac.bc.ca]

And finally, someplace out there are the archives of Eye
Magazine, an interview of both McVay and McCarthy and it give McVay
email address as oneb systems.

We have McVay working for a US contractor with access being
hosted on MILNET. This is the original network encompassing DOD, CIA,
NSA and other defense related organizations and activities and their
contractors. Is 1B Systems a legitimate defense contractor? What is a
US defense contractor doing in Canada? What does 1B Management Systems
do for a living? Good luck in finding out as they are not listing on
any open source of DOD contractors.

If not a listed contractor then not DOD making it a black
operation. And if a black operation that leaves us with two
possibilities, CIA and NSA, or are there blacker than black
organizations? So for purposes of discussion CIA is a good as anything
to refer to as the contracting agency.

We have Nizkor originally hosted on a 1B Systems server. Now that
is either a criminal misappropriation of contract funds or
specifically provided for by the contract. There is nothing in between
in that regard. Perhaps it was criminal but as see that as late as
April 1997, McVay is still an employee of 1B Systems.
You will also note a curious lack of mention of such employment
on the various resumes McVay has fronted. At one people he covered his
early years at 1B Systems by claiming to have been a welfare cheat at
the time. Of what purpose a cover story?

What interests the CIA in this matter? Some matter of national
security. What possible national security interest is there for the US
in matters holocaustian? rather dealing with people questioning the
foundations of it?

Is it to cover up the facts of the IMT and US participation in
it? If the US government demonstrably did the IMT and since it has
continued preserving such nonsense for generations, then there are
conclusions to be drawn regarding the US government.

And if the government should become aware of all of the foreign
policy that has followed from it and that continuation becomes
untenable.

It is not so much the initial lie but compounding lie upon lie
regarding it. Fifty years of compouded lie upon lie, false policy upon
false policy.

So yes, the US government has a major interest in the continuation of
these stories without question as much as Israel is not more so.

Ken McVay eventually explicitly denied any connection with the
intelligence community (confusingly referring to himself in the third
person initially):72

Mr. McVay has not had a connection with anyone's intelligence
community, although CSIS employees have come to at least one of my
presentations... I forget to ask them for a cheque, though... guess if I'm
working for all these spooks, least they could do is pay me, eh? Never 
have.
Funny, that, me a professional covert spook and all...

This denial, however, fails to account for the Toronto Star article
that clearly links McVay with the police, an account of his background
that is totally at odds with the account given in his interviews and
on his Web sites.

4.3 Political funding

September 1994 his Fascism and Holocaust Archives received funds from
Vancouver-based Committee for Racial Justice.73

But money remains tight, and his aging equipment is consistently on
the verge of collapse."The whole system is in jeopardy--everything is
at risk on a minute-to- minute basis," he says. Last week, however, a
group of Vancouver-based admirers persuaded a local charity, the
Committee for Racial Justice, to raise money for McVay's Fascism and
Holocaust Archives--and his one-man crusade may now become a full-time
job.

(It should be noted that McVay's pleas of poverty need to be seen in
the context of the fact that a few months earlier he'd announced that
he was in the market for a new car - a 'Camaro Z28 or TransAm GTA')74

Prior to October 1994 Professor Norman Swartz, Simon Fraser
University,organized a fund for him with the aid of the United Church.75

Despite continued claims of poverty, Mr McVay nevertheless felt
himself in a position to threaten, on 8 November 1995, to sue the
administrators of IADFW.NET for libel regarding material posted on their
system to which he had taken offence.76
As lawsuits for libel require some capital it appears that McVay was
either being less than frank about his true financial status when
pleading poverty or was being utterly dishonest in his threats to sue.

In 'spring' 1996, Canadian Business reported that 'McVay now devotes
all of his time to Nizkor. He earns $1,200 a month from speaking
engagements and through public support, including that of local Jewish
groups. His ancient computer was recently upgraded, thanks to a
donation from a Christian businessman.'77
Thus McVay, who was threatening expensive litigation, was putting it
about that he was on $1,200 per month and couldn't even afford to
replace his computer without the assistance of a benefactor!

However, on 8 May 1996, Edmonton Jewish Life gave a slightly different
story:
'He lives on a modest monthly income of $1500, from a trust fund set
up by some wealthy people who've been very generous and mostly plain
folk . . .'78

In 1996 his Canadian funds were being collected by The Zikaron
Tolerance and Remembrance Society 6540 East Hastings Street, Suite 221
Burnaby, BC V5B 4Z5 and Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
1461 Blanshard St. Victoria, BC V8W 2J3.
>From September, his American funds were collected by the San Antonio
Area Foundation Nizkor Fund P.O. Box 120366 San Antonio, TX 78212-9566.79

In 1997 his Canadian Nizkor funds were being collected by the League
for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada.80

On 21 October 1999 the following article appeared in Canadian Jewish
News:81

Anti-Holocaust denial Web site's future uncertain
By FRANCES KRAFT
Staff Reporter

TORONTO - An extensive educational Web site that has played a
significant role in debunking Holocaust denial faces a tenuous future,
unless further funding is secured.
Ken McVay, founder and director of the Nizkor Project
(www.nizkor.org), said last week he has sufficient funding to last only
until January.
"Even though there has been some very strong support from a few very
generous people, it hasn't been enough," McVay, 59, said in a phone
interview from his home on Vancouver Island, B.C.
He is in the process of determining the site's commercial value,
although he said it is not currently for sale and he does not foresee
shutting it down.
McVay has listed the site on www.GreatDomains.com with an "asking
price" of $500,000, based on the size of Nizkor and the amount of traffic
it attracts.
The site receives about 9,000 hits a day, said McVay. It has grown
>from 27 pages in 1995 to almost 5,000 pages, including the entire
transcript of the trial of Adolf Eichmann, he added.
McVay is proud to have those transcripts, the product of 18 months of
negotiation. "I know that the Holocaust deniers, who absolutely revile
this site and me, refuse to talk about the Eichmann trial. They can't
lie about it now."
The job is never-ending, said McVay. Among his current projects, he is
working on making documentation from the Nuremburg trials available.
Although McVay says the years of devoting himself to Nizkor have left
him weary, his tone of voice - and the fact he recently spent four
consecutive 20-hour days on the project - belie his claim. "Of course
I care," he asserted. "I never stop caring. I don't know what I'd do
without [Nizkor]. It's my life."

McVay believes that only a "small and very dedicated group of people"
does care.
He guesses that of the estimated 100 to 300 million Internet users in
the world, only about 100 are actively involved in fighting racism on the
Net.
Nizkor began when McVay, a non-Jew with a long-standing interest in
World War II, encountered Holocaust denial on the Internet in the early
1990s.
He was angered by the bigotry he perceived.
"I'm still angry," he said. "It makes me angry that there are very few
people in the world who give a damn about this."
A native of Santa Clara, Calif., McVay grew up in a middle-class
neighborhood where, to the best of his knowledge, racism didn't exist.
In high school, about half his friends were not white. "We never thought
about it," he said. "Maybe I was just naive."
Although McVay had read extensively about World War II, he knew little
about the Holocaust per se. "I had just enough background to know that
[Holocaust denial] was crap, but I didn't have a clue why it was
crap."
McVay made it his business - his obsession, actually - to learn the
truth, and show it to the rest of the world.
"That's the beauty of the Internet," he said. "Most people exposed to
the venom of Holocaust deniers do not have the time or resources to
check the so-called facts they provide." The Net, he noted, has given
him access to prosecutors, historians and community leaders who have
provided Nizkor with testimony and answers.
Over the years, McVay has developed a worldwide network of dozens
of volunteers to help him access, translate and post material.

The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada administers the
Nizkor Fund, through which donations to support the Web site can be
channeled.

However, the pleas of poverty appear to have worked again because the
Nizkor site did not collapse; indeed, it continued and the following year 
Ken
announced: 'Current statistics suggest that the sites will deliver
over ten million pages of text this year.'82

Two years later, in 2002, on an updated version of the same page,
McVay announced:

'Current statistics suggest that the sites will deliver over twelve
million pages of text this year.'

5. NEGATIVE INFORMATION

CAVEAT: Numerous allegations made against Ken McVay are, to put it
bluntly, false. There is no evidence that he is gay or a male prostitute, 
for
example(!).
He makes a lot of enemies on the Internet and some have limited
intelligence.
They respond to his smears by smearing him back but not particularly
competently.
Some post forgeries in his name, which means that care needs to be
taken to distinguish genuine McVay posts from fakes, although this is
generally not too difficult and all of the material prior to about
1994 appears to be genuine. Nevertheless, Ken is not an honourable,
moral , or a particularly competent man, and he has made several
easily verifiable gaffes in his life. Some are hilarious. Others are
rather sickening.

5.1 Sexual sleaze

5.1.1 The Alice in Wonderland gaffe

In 1990 Ken McVay really did post the following to the Usenet
newsgroup alt.sex:83

From: kmcvay@oneb (Ken McVay)
Newsgroups: alt.sex
Subject: Erotic Lit. (was Re: sex ves. violence)
Message-ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>
Date: 26 Jun 90 06:52:07 GMT
References: <137507@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <9655.26835370@amherst.bitnet>
Lines: 8
Posted: Tue Jun 26 07:52:07 1990

>> restrictions are generally in force anyway. Aside from pornography
>> being deadly dull, it doesn't bother me.

I once enjoyed an exception to the 'deadly dull' rule - a delightful
movie entitled 'Alice in Wonderland' which bore an, er, superficial
resemblance to another movie of the same name....I've been trying
to find a copy for years, or at least to rent one....last time I viewed
it was around 1983....

Bring on the Dancing Nurses! :-)

This may be found in the Google archives. It was posted before Nizkor
appeared and before McVay had made any revisionist enemies, so it is
certainly not a fake. It appears, from online film reviews, that the uncut
version of this Alice in Wonderland film involves a 'youthful' adult 
actress
depicting a child engaging in certain indecent acts, including, inter alia,
a '40-second BJ with the mad hatter' [sic]. (Apparently a 'very fat, naked
Humpty Dumpty' also becomes involved in proceedings at some stage -
we will leave our readers to speculate for themselves how a man who
would have been married with children at the time came to be watching
this sort of thing in 1983.)

It should be noted that current Canadian legislation outlaws the
viewing of child pornography, which it (Section 163.1 of the Criminal Code
of Canada) defines 'child pornography' thus:84

1.In this section, "child pornography" means
a.a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether
or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,
i.that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of
eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit
sexual activity,
or ii.the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a
sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under
the age of eighteen years; or
b.any written material or visual representation that advocates or
counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years
that would be an offence under this Act.

(my emphasis)

It should also be emphasized that we do not know whether the version
of the film viewed by Mr McVay in 1983 showed the scenes mentioned
above in their entirety, or whether they were cut in the version that
he saw, or whether Ken McVay viewed the film in its entirety, nor am I
sufficiently familiar with Canadian law to know what restrictions on
child pornography were in force in Canada in 1983.
Certainly, McVay appears to have been sailing rather close to the
wind.

It should be noted, for posterity, that the Alice in Wonderland post
was not Mr McVay's only contribution to alt.sex.85

5.1.2 The 'I fail to see harm' in child pornography gaffe

In an interview with The Ethical Spectacle, 1(6) June 1995, Ken McVay
inadvertently admitted to downloading photographs of naked children
>from the Internet and expressed rather unconventional views about it:86

I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of proportion
(I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have yet to come across
anything I'd consider "child porn." I've seen photos of naked
children, but then I've got some of those in my family photo album,
and fail to see the harm, or any great moral danger to our society).

There are many campaigners against the exploitation of children who
might differ somewhat with Mr McVay on this particular point.

5.2 The 'anti-racist' who uses racial abuse

Although Mr McVay is often described as an anti-racist campaigner and
a campaigner against 'hate speech', there are documented instances of
him using precisely the sort of racially abusive language against white
people that would get him a jail sentence under the Public Order Act 1986
if used against a black person in the United Kingdom. Specifically, Mr
McVay is rather fond of calling his debating opponents 'white trash'.

Thus in 1999:

'Vangel's just more white trash walking... cannon fodder for the
William Pearce's of the world, so don't be too hard on him....'87

The following year, Mr McVay gave us this:88

Only the bravest, most Noble Aryan Heros have the courage required to
intimidate women and children, Sara... the generic white trash we
usually find spouting racist drivel don't have the balls for it...
after all, if they were men, they wouldn't do things like that.

And in November 2002, Mr McVay did it again:89

'He has one thing going for him. He's a perfect example of White
trash.'

In the normal course of events I would regard such comments as
unremarkable.
However, when an anti-racist campaigner uses racist language, I think
I am quite entitled to point out the hypocrisy therein. After all, if
anti-racists do not take their anti-racism seriously, why should anyone 
else?

5.3 The man who gives advice on drug prices

In 1993 a gentleman posted a message to Usenet asking 'What is the
street price of pot?' Mr McVay provided the following information in a 
Usenet
post to alt.drugs:90

What kind? In this neck of the woods, hydroponic Indica is commonly
sold for $400 an ounce - some folks call it "green heroin." At the same 
time,
it is undoubtedly possible to purchase the evil weed at half that price

Whether Mr McVay acquired that familiarity with drug prices through
work for the Vancouver Police or as a result of criminal behaviour is 
unclear.

5.4 Willingness to engage in murder

Ken McVay has admitted in a Usenet post that he offered to kill his
own father, who was dying of cancer, and would not hesitate to do the same
for his mother.91

The last two months, when the disease really exploded, he was ashamed
of his condition, and degraded by his inability to control his bodily
functions. During this period, he often spoke of suicide, and I often 
offered
to help him, if that was what he really wanted . . . I understand the 
concerns
expressed over this issue - many of them are valid and serious - but I 
believe
that there are many cases where the issues are very clear, and absolutely
supportive of assisted suicide. I would not hesitate to provide that
assistance for mom, regardless of society's position.

Mr McVay has stated elsewhere his willingness to kill people:

I am not a "group," old son, I'm just someone who has lived most of
his life with a clear and unshakeable vision of what the nazis did to the
world. Am I an "extremist?" If you consider that I would not hesitate for 
an
instant to make good use of my double-barreled 12-gauge to blow some nazi
prick to hell rather than sit back and watch him burn a church to the 
ground
while beating Jewish folks to death in the process "extremist," then I 
plead
guilty. There will be NO "krystalnacht" in this neck of the woods.92

Hardly the sort of respect for the law that one would expect from a
policeman, but quite the sort of thing we have grown to expect from the 
CIA.

5.5 The man who has a history of squabbles with other
anti-revisionists

5.5.1 Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger

Cecelia started off as a revisionist. She then became a very
passionate anti-revisionist and maintains an anti-revisionist Web site93 as
well as an anti-Ku Klux Klan site.94

She was always critical of Ken McVay and his colleagues. She described
her position in a long Usenet post dated 9 March 1994, an extract from
which makes it clear why she moved from revisionism to anti-revisionism and
the nature of her reservations about Ken McVay:95

 . . begining in 1990, I have been going to certain, let's say
"experts" and "tireless workers" in the areas of Holocaust education and
memorialization to ask what I can do and where and how for precisely this 
end.
And I got pigeonholed. I guess that anybody who happens to have a long and
strong REVISIONIST background, who has come to the opinion that she made a
mistake in disbelieving in gas chambers, etc, had already in her own, 
decided
to give it a try at believing in them to decide on more solid grounds than
mere "speculation" that it was true, and was asking to learn more and do 
more,
etc.

But since, to my back not to my face, I was "not to be trusted" (at
least this is what I assume), I was never given the chance to learn, 
interact,
etc.

So I one day had myself another Rude Awakening upon reading something
by Lucy Dawidowicz in which she misquoted a primary source (a primary 
source
that I was very familiar with) so badly that she made it apprear that the
source was saying the OPPOSITE of what she protrayed. UH, people have been
known to get their tenures revoked for such things - even when the mistake 
was
not intended - maybe a little "academic unfairness", but that is the way it
works - ask Herb Needleman here at Pitt, the lead industry tried to
"persecute" him by making it look like he fudged research data, but thank
goodness the lead industry lost. So if that was an unintentional mistake of
Dawidowicz's, then I forgive her for throwing me right back into being what
Deborah Lipstadt calls "a committed denier".

Well, a little later, IN SPITE of the "expert" Holocaust educators and
memorializors, I learned some things from some of the Jewish Auschwitz
survivors that convinced me that there really WERE gas chambers, etc.
Other Revisionists do not have to agree with me on this, but I do hope they
will respect my having this as my own historical opiinion. I have no
intentions of shoving this down other people's throats.

But this is STILL not good enough for the "experts" and the Ken McVays
and the ADL people, etc, etc. I guess my "failure" to want to be thier 
little
Ex-Denier Poster Girl or my "failure" to give them the name and address of
every "denier" I know so that so-and-so can be added to thier crap-list or 
to
"confirm" every pre-conceived notion of thiers of what terrible
NeoNaziAntiSemites "the deniers" all are was why I was "not to be trusted"
while another Revisionist, Jean-Claude Pressac, who like me also came to 
the
belief that there really WERE gas chambers, etc, is put up on a pedestal
because he wants to destroy, utterly destroy all of the people who "are
deniers" and to "confirm" every last pre-conceived notion that Beate 
Klarsfeld
and Shelly Shapiro's got - be those notions consistent with his Revisionist
experience or be they very inconsistant with it.

On 23 March 1994, Cecelia wrote:96

Ken McVay, If you were posting things meant for me to respond to, and
I have been ignoring you, it is because you have been in my local kill file
for the past few months. I will take you back out in a few minites.

By 30 March 1994, her frustration at her lack of acceptance was
growing strong:97

I too need to morn[sic] and grieve the Holocaust in company of other
Holocaust BELIEVING people just like you big bad Holocaust Heros and
Promoters do. But no, I am forced to face it all alone because your 
prejudice
and discrimination bids you to "not trust me" (Hear Hear, Ed Overman!!!) 
or to
assume that "I am up to tricks." Or that I am crazy - my assurtions that 
all
Revisionists are not (and do not want to be, but are being driven towards 
it
by YOU all) Jew-Haters - are too far beyong the realm of your own personal
constructs of reality to be true.
You therefore deem ME delusional instead of yourselves. I know how to
get some people OUT of "deep denial" (the Twelve Steppers, Anna Freud's,
and my use of the term, not Lipstadt's or the ADL's hateful and derisive
usage, which the ADL STOLE off of me after I wrote the ADL in 1990 "a lot
of Revisionists are just simply in denial, not seething anti-Semites." See 
how
they have twisted my intended usage of the term . . .

ALL I was doing was trying to PUT AN END TO REVISIONISM, you idiots,
but you could not accept MY personal testimony as to what happens and does
not happen "beyond its walls" - but of course if Ross or Gannon DARED to
doubt the personal testimony of Elie Wiesel or Mel Mermelstein, then they 
are
evil, but MY personal testimony can be scoffed at at will by you Heros.

On 18 May 1998, at which point our Cecelia was Cecelia Plechinger,
McVay made a somewhat dismissive remark about her. When asked whether
he knew her, he responded:98 'I have never met her, but know who you mean.
 Are you suggesting that you are not a liar because she asserts I label 
liars
as liars?'

A few days later, on 24 May 1998, came the now famous explosion from
Cecelia:99

 . . Ken, it is spelled "Cecelia" not "Cecilia." You and I go back to
1991, before you founded Nizkor, Ken. You should know how to properly spell
my name.
And I am part of the history of Nizkor, Ken, yet you pretend to have
just barely heard of me.

I sent you in materials and you used them, but did not credit me as
the source.
These concerned much material on Willis Carto and some key information
on Fred Leuchter's patents, engineering ethics, chemistry (to refute Fred
Leuchter's claims) etc.

In fact, you ignored my material on Carto for many e-mails until one
day, one of them clicked something in you. *then* you posted a request to 
your
 mailing list (to which I was one of the
original subscribers) which went defunct long before the founding of Nizkor
asking for info on Willis Carto. Then after a while longer, due in 
significant
part, to the info *I* sent you on Carto, you then made him a very big 
project
of yours, the topic of a whole long FAQ even.

The stuff on Leuchter's patents also received no ack from you. Yet,
one day long past, I was browsing the Jerusalem1 server in Israel and 
noticed
there was a section on Revisionism there. It was mainly or perhaps solely a
mirror of your pre-Nizkor anti-Revisionist website. I forget what you 
called
it.
THERE, under a subdirectory on Leuchter, was verbatim my e-mail to you on
Leuchter's patents.
But the header was stripped off. See, Ken, you saw value in this
information, but you did not see value in me as the source. It was only 
after
I complained to your webmaster, Jamie McCarthy, that you revised that page 
to
include the original headers of the msg. For other e-mail msgs I saw on the
Jerusalem1 mirror such as ones from Danny Keren, you left the headers 
intact.
But mine? Oh well.

And the chemistry and physics material I sent you to refute Leuchter's
claims, you totally ignored, so I gave up sending you additional material.
Yet, later, the same information appeared in your site with a Brian Harmon
being given great accolades by you for providing it to you. Brian did 
indeed
provide the info to you at a later date than I did, but it was the same 
info I
had offered to you.
>From Brian, it was not only worth your repeating, but you also saw fit
to give him credit. Yes, his was in more detail, but I think when he sent 
in
the initial stuff, you encouraged him to send in more, so he did. I was 
not so
fortunate to get encouraged.

Oh, and medical information I sent you to refute specific claims of
deniers you also ignored.

One time, I and Jamie McCarthy sent you material together (that I
obtained alone). This was concerning what "Murungu" means in Shona
(a southern African Bantu language - an Internet National Socialist used 
the
nickname of "Murungu" so that was why I offered to Jamie an explanation of
what this word means).
*This* you put on your Nizkor site. But the fact that Jamie was the
one I approached with the info instead of you made a difference.

Jamie eventually resigned from Nizkor. It was soon after that that
soc.culture.jewish.holocaust went dead. Jamie was doing the technical
work for you while you over-moderated the content. Without Jamie's
technical help, you could no longer run soc.culture.jewish.holocaust, so 
you
let it lie fallow rather than let some other moderator take over to keep it
active.

Recently, soc.culture.jewish.holocaust came back to life. And guess
what. It is back under the care of one or more of the original founders --
that is, the people who ran it out of a University of North Carolina server
before they no longer had time to devote to it (and when you then took it
over).

Why, Ken, do you treat me like such dirt? I think it had a lot to do
with the fact that I want to empower and enable people while you want to
dominate and control. And the fact my learning style is to get varied info
>from a variety of sources rather than just mindlessly learn from just one 
(and
one on your exact wavelenght) has also a lot to do with it. And the fact 
that
I do not want to bite the head off of every Revisionist I meet or see has 
much
to do with it too.

My approach is far different than yours. I seek to understand and
elucidate while you seek to punish and reek revenge. I seek to prevent 
future
Revisionism before it starts by elucidating *why* people become Revs in the
first place and providing viable alternatives to satisfy the same needs 
such
people seek and find in Revisionism. You, by contrast, seek to hunt them 
down,
"expose" them, discredit them and equate each and every one of them with
hard-core Jew-haters.
I seek to humanize whilst you seek to dehumanize them.

Oh, and the fact that I know what Revisionism is (and is *not*) from
the *inside out* instead of from the outside letting my prejudices dictate 
to
me what is inside --- that has a lot to do with it too.

I was potentially a very valuable resource to you, Ken. But you did
not want elucidation and alternatives and causes of Rev that do not fit 
your
preconceived notions.

(According to you, each and every person who becomes a Rev does so out
of evil motives, specifically, Jew-hating motives -- but I posited motives
like trying to find relief from a Shoah that is too hard to bear and 
further
posited that Germans both American-born and European-born are at much
greater risk to become Rev's due to a need to seek shelter from the guilt -
-
guilt which is big enought as it is, but gets amplified further by anti-
German
bigots. THIS vital info YOU did not want to HEAR.)

If I had offered to name you names of all the in-the-closet Revs I
knew and to give you private personal information on the publicly-
Revisionist
people I know (I mean information they would want kept private), maybe then
you would have seen me as a valuable resource, Ken. But this too is not my
style. I would relate other Revisionist's experiences to you but with all
identifying information expunged. You did not like that Ken. Names, 
addresses,
employers you would have wanted. Traumatic anti-German childhood and young
adult experiences you did not want.

Along the same lines, you once put out a call for any information
anybody knows about Arthur Butz (a Revisionist who is also an engineering
prof). I offered you lots of info about what he has done engineering-wise 
and
professor-wise. I also has publicly-available family background info to 
submit
once I saw how you responded to the engineering and professor info. But you
just e-mailed me back with a rude letter saying you are not interested in 
the
engineering aspects of Butz. See, Ken, you only wanted DIRT on Butz. You 
did
not want NORMAL information that is essential for a full and complete
understanding of Arthur Robert Butz.

Interestingly enough, I later read Deborah Lipstadt's chapter on Butz
in her "Denying the Holocaust". Some of it was *wrong.* The correct info 
was
in the stuff I sent you and you pooh-poohed and in the stuff I was waiting 
to
send you, but did not. Seems like Lipstadt would have been interested in
seeing the stuff *before* her book went to press -- it would have saved her
errors.

Have you been in contact with Lipstadt as she as still working on
"Denying the Holocaust", Ken? See now how you could have received all
the info I had on Butz (not just the dirt) and then alerted Lipstadt about 
it.
Lipstadt could have then contacted me (that is, if you would have been
decent enough to credit me as the source) and seen what I had for herself
and then go and review the direct sources from whence I got the info in the
first place. These were not insider Revisionist sources. These were 
publicly
available sources. She could then have written the final draft of "Denying"
to reflect this all. Now, she has gone on record as making some basic 
errors
on basic biographical info on not only Butz, but also on App (to whom she 
also
devotes a whole chapter).

I then e-mailed you for advice on how I correct these errors without
making Deborah Lipstadt sound foolish. You pooh-poohed the notion that I
could be right and Lipstadt be wrong. To bad, Ken.

Actually I was wrong to have ever tried to seek such advice from you
in the first place. I already knew what you were like, but at the time, you
were for all practical purposes, all I had.

So, you unilaterally decided that my massive, but "normal" information
on Butz was not worth knowing and not worth passing on to scholars
researching Holocaust denial. But, I suppose, in addtion to thinking you
speak for each and every participant of  (such as by posting "Knoll speaks for none of 
us"
with the "us" meaning all the participants of the said NGs), you think can
speak for Lipstadt and also but make her decisions for her. Too bad.

So I had little value to you, Ken. Too bad. What I know, in the right
hands, is invaluable for the very same "combat the Holocaust deniers"
work you so sincerely and diligently devote yourself to. But your 
methodology
is so different from mine that I even had to put your phrase "combat the
Holocaust deniers" in quote marks because it is so different from what I 
feel
when I think of reducing the phenonomon of Holocaust denial. I do not want 
to
"combat" Holocaust deniers who are sincere disbelievers of the Shoah. I 
just
want to provide viable alternatives and to combat the *causes* of people
seeking solace or an outlet in Revisionism.

Thanks to people like you, Ken, there is at this time a dire poverty
of viable alternatives to Revisionism. Thanks to you and your ilk, people 
like
me and Werner Knoll are faced with two extremes -- yours (which actually
deserves the label "Holocaust Lobby") and radical Revisionism's.

At the very same time you and your ilk seek to suppress the truth
about why we turn to Rev, some of those who run radical Revisionism (Carto,
Mark Weber, Hans Schmidt) understand *very well* the needs of people like
me, Werner Knoll, hundreds of thousands of American and Canadian Germans
to includeErnst Zu"ndel.
And they meet our needs and lure us into Revisionism (Zu"ndel was so
lured in Toronto years ago) with these met needs. Once there, an effort is 
on
to lure us into hard-core Jew-hating circles (they so lured Zu"ndel).

With me, all the further they got me was Revisionism. The "Holocaust
Lobby" then did much to drive me towards hard-core Nazism. It is only to my
credit I did not go. Don't say if I resisted anybody could. I am made of 
some
pretty tough stuff.
If most people, including Ken, were subjected to what "the Holocaust
Lobby" subjected me to since 1990 when I first "came out," they would be
neo-Nazis.
Like I said, this included Ken. I will not say all the things they put
me through here. Maybe I will publicly say it another time or in another
venue and maybe I will not.

With Werner, I cannot tell from just the few posts I read if he had
been lured as far as actually into Revisionism or not. But I can see that 
he
is "at risk."
But Ken, with your posts, you are increasing the risk. "At risk" does
not mean "evil" either, Ken. Do not blame the victims. We too are victims
and survivors of the Shoah.

And I myself am also a victim from a Jewish point of view, Ken. But
you were so busy trashing me the ways the Germans part of my heritage
made me 'at risk' that you never even let me tell you I am also Jewish and
very much like a Hidden Child first generation Jewish Shoah survivor and
very much like a Second Generation Jewish Shoah survivor. It is your own
prejudice which did not let you see THESE traits in me, Ken. That plus the
fact you are a Goy.
The JEWISH rage in me never spoken about a huge portion of my people
cut off, my JEWISH mourning, you never heard. Had I gotten a different e-
mail
account and showed you the Jewish rage and mourning within me, you would
have liked that other persona, huh, Ken.

But stuff like this (stated before the above paragraph) Ken, you do
not want to hear because according to your preconceived notions, we START
OUT AS hard-core Jew-haters and then pretend to be like normal people to
assimilate out and infiltrate normal society to inject our poison into it 
with
our "tricks of the deniers." This is actually true for some people who 
*claim*
to be Revisionists such as Willis Carto. But for many of us, the exact
percentage I do not know due to lack of formal academic studies I would 
like
to see done, the truth is just the opposite of what you presuppose.

Lots of people start off with a pre-conceived notion, Ken, including
myself. But real scholars and real researchers and real advocates do not
selectively cleave to or selectively ignore new information that confirms 
or
denies respectively our preconceived notions and initial hypotheses. (If 
you
are such a great and wonderful real researcher and educator of the Shoah,
Ken, then how come you did not last very long on the academic holocaust
mailing list on a server at the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC), 
where
many real Shoah scholars and many real Shoah survivors participated?
(The list is now called  and is on a different server.) Either 
you
got unsubscribed by the owners or you unsubscribed yourself in disgust that
that real Shoah scholarship forum did not gobble up your polemics.

But you refuse to see many of the critical points I make in this post.
You have seen most of them in the 1991 to 1997 timespan (with a gap) many
times, so youhave had opportunity to consider them. And due to your 
refusal,
you actually drive more people into Revisionism or deeper into Revisionism 
or
into hard-core Jew-hatred with the very efforts you expend to "combat the
Holocast deniers/neo-Nazis."

Such is a travesty. But such is also reality. People like you are part
of the real world we all have to deal with.

Cecelia Plechinger

In another, less well known post on the same day,100 she said:

Ken, in other NGs, you tried and perhaps still try (I have not visited
alt.revisionism and such in quite a while) to appoint yourself as the
spokesperson for all "correct" Shoah education, research, advocacy,
and such.
Yet, you represent only a portion of all Shoah educators, researchers,
advocates, etc.

However, Ken, we are a varied bunch, Ken. You do not speak for all of
us, yet you put yourself forth as doing so.

Notice I said you do not speak for *all* of us. You do indeed speak
for and reflect the views and methods of *some* people who are in the Shoah
ed, research, and advocacy field, but *only* some. Forsteh? (Yiddish for
"Get it?, Capice?, Understand?"). But, only *some.*

As much as I disagree with your tactics and attitude, I did not have
the chutzpah (Yiddish for "audacity") to assert that you speak for *none*
of us. Yet you have the chutzpah to assert that Werner Knoll speaks for
nobody, not a single soul, in this NG  other than himself. 
Tsk
tsktsk, Ken.

Cecelia Plechinger

There appears to be no record of any response from McVay.

On 8 November 1998, John Morris commented of Cecelia:101

'But I don't think Ken ever trusted her.'

On 22 May 2000,102 Ken responded to a protest from Cecelia that
material that she had written 'is not "utter bullshit"' with the terse
response:
'Yes, it is, and was, utter bullshit '.

On the same day (22 May 2000), a much calmer Cecelia wrote:103

I certainly agree that some of Ken's methods are counterproductive.
But Ken will be Ken, just like Pat will be Pat, and Cecelia will be 
Cecelia.

Cecelia

5.5.2 Sol Littman

The disagreement between Ken McVay and Sol Littman, Canadian spokesman
for the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, concerns strategy. Littman favours 
censorship
- denying people the right to be heard. McVay seems to favour smears and
intimidation. The two strategies are incompatible insofar as McVay needs 
his
opponents to be heard in order for him to identify them and misrepresent 
them
as part of the smearing and intimidation process. It might seem an odd 
sort of
disagreement, but these are odd people.

The disagreement, which had been simmering for some time, apparently
began to surface in a Usenet post by McVay dated 23 June 1996:104

I do not believe in banning books. Is that clear enough for you? The
7,000 people I have spoken to will probably tell you that, if you ask;
Bernie Farber will certainly tell you that, if you ask, and so will Karen
Mock; So will Sol Littman and Abraham Cooper, men with whom, I suspect,
there is no common agreement on anything, other than the monstrous reality
of the Holocaust and a patent a dislike for Nazis. Does that help?

McVay's attack on Littman intensified with an article by McVay in
Electronic Frontier Canada, dated 23 July 1996.105

Sol Littmann suffers from Ostrich Syndrome
by Kenneth McVay, OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) Tuesday, July
23rd, 1996

The July 19 article in the Vancouver Sun, "B.C. Internet provider is
the largest Canadian site for racist material" is alarming.

It is not the material found on the websites mentioned, nor the fact
that the host server is Canadian - nor indeed that the server is physically
located in BC - which give cause for alarm.

It is alarming because - either by deliberate design or by abject
ignorance - Sol Littman (and the Simon Wiesenthal Center [SWC] whom he
represents in Canada) is fostering and promoting the spread of the "Ostrich
Syndrome."

Their actions represent a counter-productive denial of reality - akin
to the Ostrich burying its head in the sand.

Littman is quoted as saying:

  "We found the longer you leave these groups unexposed, the longer
they fester and the more they infect others and the only way to deal with 
them
honestly and forcefully is to expose them to the light of truth."
Yet the article concludes,

  "Littman said he wants to see if Klatt will remove the groups from
Fairview voluntarily before the centre takes any other action."
The only truth that seems to emerge from such a veiled threat is that
Littman has no understanding of the Internet. One is at a loss to determine
how removal of the "groups" from one Internet Provider's server would in 
any
way "expose them to the light of truth."

If Littman had any knowledge of the Internet, he would know that the
Nizkor Project [http://www.nizkor.org/] is an award winning website that is
accessed daily by hundreds. In addition to being a source for those who 
seek
information about the facts of the Holocaust, it is used as an electronic
resource for those who wish to "deal with [these groups] honestly and
forcefully" thereby exposing Lemire and many others - of whom Littman may
not even be aware.

Nizkor is arguably the "host" to more hate literature than any other
website.
Since we also include a link to the Zundelsite amongst others, will
Littman next be targetting Nizkor and demanding that we remove such links?
Or that we hide from public view the mountains of archived material which
meticulously documents and uses the "arguments" put forward by these groups
as instruments of their refutation and exposure?

If Littman and the SWC prefer to bury their heads in the sand while
engaging in this futile exercise in darkness, let them do so. But the
martyrdom they hand on a platter to Lemire and others whom they find 
offensive
stands in marked contrast to their failure to use the Internet on their own
website.

Conspicuously absent on the SWC website are links to the increasingly
growing number of useful resources for those who truly do wish to 
participate
in the battle to expose racist and anti-semitic groups on the Internet.

The Ostrich syndrome is far more dangerous to society than any white
supremacist group on the Internet. Such groups will fester in darkness, but
wither in light.

McVay launched another attack on Littman in a Usenet post dated 18
January 1998:106

Subject: Re: Free Speech is a dangerous thing.
From: kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay OBC)
Date: 1998/01/18
Message-ID: <69t15v$8vg$1@news.trends.ca>
Newsgroups:
van.general,bc.politics,bc.general,can.politics,can.general
[In article <885078642.2010120201@dejanews.com>,

Jason Black wrote:

Free Speech is a dangerous thing.

> By Ernest & Elvena Slump
>In a press release Sol Littman of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute called
>Oliver BC the Hate Crime Capital of Canada and said BC harbors this
>capital. What do they base this claim on? Well, it seems we have a man..

The fascinating thing about the websites in question is that they are
already so marginalized that one can only wonder that Mr. Littman wants to
throttle them further. Marc Lemire's "Freedom Site," for instance, averages
under 100 hits a day, while the Nizkor site and mirrors receive over 10,000
hits a day, about 1500 of them to the home page. Cybrary of the Holocaust
now gets a million hits a month. The contrast is interesting, and suggests
that these sites are of little interest to anyone except those who maintain
them, and Mr. Littman, of course.

Mr. Littman, however, appears to be a man who would throttle anyone
who disagrees with his worldview - he doesn't need "hate speech" to set
him off.

At a recent international symposium dealing with hate on the internet,
a participant from Washington, D.C., having heard Mr. Littman's
patronizing paper on the subject of hate on the net, commented that Ingrid
Rimland, Ernst Zundel's American parrot, would have had to invent Mr. 
Littman
had he not already existed.

Mr. Littman, discovering that this comment had been reproduced by Ms.
Rimland, in one of her regular diatribes, then wrote to a prominent member 
of
B'nai Brith (no, I don't work for them, although Mr. Littman appears to 
think
that I do) and expressed the hope that I might be muzzled. Perhaps Mr. 
Littman
thinks that my comments were "hatespeech?"

It is fortunate that Canada's Jewish community does not reflect his
desire to censor those with whom he disagrees - Mr. Littman, as I told him 
at
the Toronto symposium, scares me more than Zundel does.

The following day, 19 January 1998, McVay posted to Usenet an item
indicating that Littman had also been sniping at him, specifically, by 
trying
to undermine him in the eyes of B'nai Brith Canada (Nizkor's fund
'collectors').107

Mr. Littman is an interesting man.... and he does indeed seem to
favour censoring not only hate sites, but indeed others who find his brand 
of
work with respect to the Internet distasteful.

I am reliably informed that the following letter was received at the
national office of B'nai Brith Canada in September of 1997, closely 
following
the international symposium on "Hate on the Internet."

The letter, written under the Simon Wiesenthal Center's letterhead,
contained the following text:

"Not only do we agree on almost all issues but we are also the subject
of the same opprobrium from those who disagree with us.

"What follows was originally put out on the Internet by Ken McVay
flunky Michael Stein and reissued by Zundel flunky Ingrid Rimland.

"Which brings me to the next question. On whose side are McVay and his
cohorts on? For some time I have wondered by B'nai Brith continues to give 
him
a platform when he avidly proposes policies which our respective
agencies oppose.
His site provides automatic links with almost all of the major
Holocaust deniers - all in the name of free speech!

"Let's face it, McVay is a quirky loose cannon whose usefulness is
almost over.
If it weren't for B'nai Brith he would be out of business.

"Sincerely, [signed] Sol Littman"

 . .

If Mr. Littman really believes that my work would come to a halt
without the help and support of B'nai Brith, he is equally misinformed. It
would be interesting to know if this letter reflects an official position 
of
the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

An abbreviated version of the Usenet post was was subsequently posted
the Nizkor Web site.108

On 10 February 1999, Ken McVay sadly observed:109

'Sol Littman doesn't seem to like me much... hey, I can live with
that.'

In a Usenet response to Anthony Sabatini dated 13 June 1999, McVay
again attacked Littman:110

I think LIttman is out to lunch, and sensationalizes such cases in
order to promote his own agenda, but I also think that he has every right 
to
stand up in a free country and speak his piece. I gather you do not think 
he
has this right - granted in the Charter - is that correct?

As more than one Canadian jurist has pointed out, the issue of
Canadian "anti-hate" laws has already been settled - the Supreme Court has
settled it, and more than once. I still oppose those laws, but I don't 
pretend
they aren't constitutional when the SC has very clearly demonstrated that 
they
are.

I oppose those laws, Mr. Littman does not. Why does that bother you,
Mr. Sabatini? Would you like to shut Mr. Littman up, and deny him his
Charter rights?

Would that wet your whistle?

With that the issue appeared to die down.

5.5.3 Disagreement with unnamed supporters over management of Nizkor

A fascinating insight into a disagreement between Ken McVay and a
group of Nizkor supporters circa 1995- 6 is revealed in a Usenet post by 
John
Morris, an anti-revisionist academic from the English department of the
University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada on 17 December 2001:111

So far as I can tell, Nizkor is chugging along just fine.

But it isn't a group project. It's Ken McVay's show. It was proposed
at one time (c. 1995-96) that control of Nizkor should be handed over to a
group of its volunteers. Since I wasn't party to the discussions leading 
up to
the collapse of that proposal, the reasons that it never happened are not
entirely clear to me. But it didn't happen, and Nizkor remains, as it 
always
has been, under the sole proprietorship of Ken McVay.

I was party to the drafting of a letter to McVay which, in retrospect,
must have looked to McVay like an ultimatum to stand and deliver. The 
upshot
is that many of those same volunteers started their own web project called 
The
Holocaust History Project.

Is it "classified information"? No. But there does seem to be a
gentleman's agreement not to air dirty laundry in public since it 
involves, as
much as anything else, strong personality clashes among some of the
principals.

5.5.4 Argument with Yale F. Edeiken, David 'Orac' Gorski and John
Morris regarding use of personal information on supporters of revisionists

In 1999 a huge and very public row broke out on Usenet between McVay
and three of his (then) supporters. The individuals were John Morris,
mentioned above, Dr David Gorski, a cancer specialist from the US, and
Yale F Edeiken, a Jewish attorney from Pennsylvania. The row concerned
one Mr Scott Bradbury, an opponent of Mr McVay's Nizkor. Yale Edeiken
was sueing Bradbury at the time (Edeiken lost eventually).

Edeiken obtained Bradbury's personal details (address etc.) for the
purposes of legal action. Unfortunately, he also distributed them to
other individuals (see admission below). One of these individuals was Ken
McVay.

McVay posted the information briefly on his Nizkor site. Subsequently, Mr
Bradbury was made the victim of a ferocious campaign of harassment. The
argument concerned who was responsible for using Bradbury's personal 
details
improperly.
Edeiken and McVay blamed each other.

The opening salvo began with a post from Ken McVay to alt.revisionism.
In this he made it clear that Yale F Edeiken sent him Scott Bradbury's
personal information, including his address. McVay indicated that he
subsequently posted this address on his Nizkor site for about 90 minutes 
(it
was then acquired by a criminal third party, referred to generally as
'Nazihunter', who used it to harass Bradbury.

I don't like posting email as a rule, although I confess I have done,
but I have received email I consider somewhat abusive from Mr. Edeiken,
and am compelled to respond, and to do so initially by sharing his outburst
with you:

 I hope you're you fucking son of a
bitch. I suggest you mae some response to this. Make it hard and make it 
fast.
--yfe
 He includes a UseNet article (see
References, above) in which David Michaels apparently said (the article has
not arrived on my server yet):



Since you have just been roundly rapped over the knuckles by your
'boss', Mr McVay, for apparently conspiring to incite violence against a
poster in this newsgroup, I think that perhaps you should keep a low 
profile
lest the details of your sordid behaviour find their way to your superiors 
in
Pennsylvania. David


You may recall that Mr. Edeiken said "Make it hard and make it fast."
and so I must. Here is my response, Mr. Michael: I am not now, nor have I 
ever
been, Mr. Edeiken's boss. Further, Mr. Edeiken has no connection with the
Nizkor Project, and has not had one since mid-July, when I removed him 
>from a
Nizkor mailing list. For 1998 and 1999, the only real connection Mr. 
Edeiken
had with Nizkor was making you look foolish with respect to the Himmler 
tape.

With respect to your interpretation of my words, I can only suggest
that you them again:



To be fair, one should also ask how nazihunter got the name and
address in the first place, shouldn't one? Yale Edeiken distributed it to a
holocaust-history.org mailing list, and to a few, including me,
outside the list. If you are going to condemn nazihunter, as you properly 
are,
then should you not also ask what Yale hoped to achieve by distributing the
address in the first place? I posted it on Nizkor for about 90 minutes, 
until
I realized, on reflection, that it was the wrong thing to do, and deleted
it... so, in the end, it could have come from anywhere... but it originated
with someone who should have known better, as he himself had been the
target of a similar attack.



If that is what you feel Mr. Edeiken meant to achieve, that is your
opinion, one I am not prepared to share. However, I think it would have 
been
hypocritical of me to remain silent, all the while knowing where the
information came from, while others were being justifiably pilloried for
making improper use of it. Who is to be blamed more? The person wielding 
the
weapon, or the one who provided it? You tell me. [Posted and emailed]

This provoked the following response from Dr Gorski, using his
customary pseudonym 'Orac':113

And to what end do you wish to "share" this outburst with us? What
does it accomplish for you to break one of the primary rules of Netiquette?
What do you gain by it? Do you post EVERY abusive e-mail you receive to 
a.r?
Yale directed his "outburst" at you in private. Clearly, he's pissed off at
you for some reason. He did not post it to Usenet for all to see, which he
could have done.
Presumably he so because he considered it a private matter. You should
have dealt with it privately, rather than publicizing it. Why are you
publicizing it?
[Denials that Yale works for Nizkor snipped]

 . .

Who is more culpable, one who leaves a weapon in a public site,
accessible to anyone, knowing that anyone could pick it up and use it, or
someone who leaves a weapon in a private club among people he/she thinks
he/she can trust?
If your version of events is true, then that's what we're really talking
about, isn't it, Ken? Basically, you're glossing over the fact that it is
entirely possible that by posting Scotty's address to Nizkor's website, 
even
if only for 90 min, YOU were the one to provide "Nazihunter" with the 
weapon.
Surely you knew when you posted it to a public website that it might fall 
into
the wrong hands. At the very least, your action shows recklessness of a 
higher
degree than that you accuse Yale of. At the worst, it means you wanted the
information to be used, which is exactly what you seem to be accusing Yale 
of.
But back to your question: The person wielding the weapon is more 
culpable. A
person given a weapon does not have to pull the trigger and use it. He/she 
can
always say no.
The person providing the weapon may or may not have intended for it to
be used and may or may not have been able to predict whether anyone would
use it and may or may not have intended for the person receiving the 
weapon to
pass it on. That person, unless he/she knew that the weapon would be used 
or
passed on to someone who would use it, can be accused, at most, only of
cluelessness and maybe recklessness. The person who uses the weapon is
ultimately to blame for its use.

An unrepentant McVay made the allegation against Edeiken again:114

Mr. Edeiken posted private and confidential information to undisclosed
recipients, one of whom might be "nazihunter." Did the source of this
private and confidential information understand that he was going to do 
this?
Did he approve the use of this private information in that way, prior to
releasing it, or did he release it for a specific purpose, one which had
nothing to do with mailing lists? Would it have been released, short of 
legal
action, had the holder of the information known that Mr. Edeiken was going
to release it to the public?

Edeiken admitted the charge but made excuses:115

I gave the information to a list of people who, almost without
exception have been the vicitims of threats of violence or criminal 
harassment
>from Bradbury.
If you ahve a problem with that, I could care less.

Edeiken denied that McVay had been his 'boss' in legal negotiations
between Nizkor and myself regarding a wager concerning the authenticity of
Himmler's Posen speech tapes. Edeiken had said (in a post directed at me): 
'I
am a lawyer retained to represent a client. If you beleive that a cleint 
is a
lawyer's "boss" then it is clear why you produced none to represent you. 
They
would not do so under those conditions.' McVay replied thus:116

Actually, I never saw it that way. As I thought of how to respend to
Dr. Michael about this, it seemed to me that it was more of a collaborative
effort. I didn't hire Mr. Edeiken to do it. I hadn't thought there would be
any further discussion about the "challenge" after Giwer cut and ran, and 
Dr.
Michael's request caught me off guard, so I turned to Yale and asked for 
help.
He volunteered. I accepted his legal advice - after all, he's a lawyer. I
confess I did give Mr. Edeiken a $1 retainer, in August, 1996, but I 
suspect
it was used up long ago.

This provoked a furious response from John Morris to McVay:117

Yep. Sounds like Yale wasn't worth much to you at all. I'll bet that
made it a hell of a lot easier to stab him him in the back, didn't it, you
cocksucker?

The upshot: Ken McVay denies any links between Edeiken and Nizkor:118

'Mr Edeiken has absolutely no connection with the Nizkor Project.'

5.6 Incompetent and deliberately misleading research

This is evidently not the place to conduct a detailed analysis of
McVay's Nizkor site. A few examples of Ken McVay getting his facts
spectacularly wrong should suffice to make the point that his research 
skills
are not of the highest quality.

5.6.1. NetGuide errors

An April 1995 complaint regarding Ken McVay and factual inaccuracies
reads as follows:119

Ken McVay . . . of Vancouver, Canada is a self-appointed, one man "hit
squad" on the Internet. He likes to call people names. Apparently, he is
willing to misrepresent the truth to accomplish his goals, which are to
discredit all who disagree with Jewish leaders' claims about the 
"holocaust"
and policies regarding Israel. One recent example was a short story in
NetGuide magazine (we told you their activists are everywhere) written by 
Joel
Furr, a freelance writer. Our response to the article follows and is pretty
much self-explanatoty.
Will the magazine publish it?

April 1, 1995

Patrice Adcroft, Editor-in-Chief
NetGuide Magazine
Manhasset, NY

Dear Ms. Adcroft:

Joel Furr's brief article (The Reich Stuff) featuring Ken McVay's war
against "hate" traffic on the Internet in your Feb. 1995 issue needs
correcting.

First and foremost, the practice of using emotional buzz words to
denigrate those with whom one disagrees, e.g., "neo-Nazis", "anti-Semites",
"inept researchers", and "incompetent liars" is a sure sign of the absence 
of
scholarship. McVay and Furr need to expand their vocabularies.

Second, their reference to an "old magazine" that carried an article
about "some Jewish politician making claims of a mass extermination of Jews
after World War I" lacked documentation. To what magazine and Jewish
politician were they referring?

Here's the documentation they omitted: The American Hebrew of Oct. 31,
1919, published by the American Jewish Committee, carried a story by former
Governor of New York Martin H. Glynn. Its title was The Crucifixion of Jew
Must Stop! In Glynn's article he referred to the figure of "six million" 
and a
"threatened holocaust". This was just after World War I, not World War II.
Obviously, this was not an anti-Semitic publication but rather a Jewish
periodical, and Gov. Martin Glynn was not an anti-Semite.

Finally, The American Hebrew, ceased publication 39 years ago, not
50-60 years as McVay claimed. It appears that Mr. McVay should get his 
facts
straight before trashing others.

Sincerely,
[SMYRNA]

5.6.2 Misleading and out-of-context quotations

Unfortunately, Mr McVay is not just a poor researcher. He deliberately
sets out to mislead his readers by telling outright lies.

Smear no. 1 - Mr McVay charges me with 'holocaust denial'

Ken McVay does not like me. He publishes files on me on his Nizkor Web
site.120

The file opens with the words: ''David Michael The true face of
Holocaust denial'.

This is interesting because I have never, in fact, engaged in
'Holocaust denial'. Mr McVay's statement is both false and defamatory.

I have made my position on 'Holocaust denial' very clear on a number
of occasions, not least in a Usenet posting responding to Michael Ragland
in May 2002:121

As I have stated several times, I do not 'deny' anything. I regard
'the Holocaust' as a newspeak term for a large number of events. Some of
them may well have occurred. Others, if you examine them -- which you
evidently haven't as you've confessed that you simply 'intuitively knew 
that
the Holocaust had occurred' -- are 'supported' by rather weaker evidence.
Your attempt to imply that all these events must be either accepted or
rejected in toto is downright silly. Your assertion that I 'deny' these
events, when I merely 'question' them, is downright dishonest. As I have
pointed out to you before.

Smear no. 2 - Mr McVay charges me with Nazism

After this piece of - let us not beat about the bush - flagrant libel,
Ken McVay's Web site continues to try to blacken my good name.

After a carefully snipped and edited quote from one of my more
controversial posts on American imperialism and the World Trade Center
attacks of 11 September 2001, Mr McVay continues by posting an even
more carefully edited extract from one of my Usenet posts that gives the
uncritical reader the distinct impression that I am a rabid Nazi:

Third, National Socialism was a revolutionary movement that was based
upon a wonderful dream. Forget the stories of corpses for a moment, Mr G,
and imagine a world very different from the world we inhabit today. Imagine
a world free from the wars that have scarred the face of this tired old 
planet
since the beginning of time; a world with no extreme poverty, with no 
disease,
with no exploitation of worker by employer, no jolting financial crises 
(with
the misery that such crises entail) -- a world united in a common purpose 
and
a common vision.
Imagine a world free from the old conflicts, where worker and employer
strive side-by-side for the common good, where 'Left' and 'Right' are mere
historical anachronisms, where nation works peacefully alongside nation for
the greater glory of all the earth. Imagine, if you will, a world where,
through a process of artificial genetic selection, mankind has been 
enhanced
to heights undreamed of: when, year by year, mere human beings grow ever
closer to becoming gods.
Think of the beauty of those people, of their art, their music, their
literature. Think of their levels of culture, their humanity, their
nobility.
Now contrast this with the world that has been bequeathed to our
children as a result of that needless and miserable world war. Just pick 
up a
newspaper and look around you -- look at what your 'liberals' and your
'democrats' have left to them. Look at the dull-eyed teenagers, drugged to
their eyeballs, staggering around bleak housing estates, their stereos 
blaring
drum-beats! What do they know of the glories of a Bruckner symphony, or the
heart-rending beauty of Nietzsche? What good have 'democracy' and 
'liberalism'
ever done for them, Mr G?
Answer me that! Look at Africa and Asia -- thousands upon thousands of
square miles, characterized by war, starvation, famine, massacre, 
corruption,
decay, filth. What good have 'freedom' and 'rights' ever done for the
inhabitants of those miserable regions? Answer me that! What good is 
'freedom'
to a man who cannot afford to buy his daily bread? Tell me that, Mr G! 
Look at
the legacy of communism -- the blood red claw that, even today, enslaves a
quarter of the world's population. Think of the 200 million corpses -- 
people
who died as victims of this evil claw, for no good purpose whatsoever. Now 
can
you honestly put your hand on your heart and tell me, in all sincerity, 
sir,
that you truly and without reservation believe that the world you and your
kind have bequeathed to future generations -- the world that has given us
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and the pathetic figure of William Jefferson Clinton, 
who
symbolizes all that is wrong with this earth -- that you honestly believe 
that
this world you have left for us is better than our alternative? Can you
honestly tell me that the dream of a beautiful new world that I have 
outlined
above -- the dream that inspired countless thousands of young Europeans to
flock to the National Socialist banner -- is not worth fighting for? Can 
you
honestly tell me that it is not worth dying  for?"

This is followed by what appears to be a link to the original Usenet
post, although as of December 2002 it did not work.

But doesn't that quote really prove beyond all possible doubt that I'm
a raving Nazi? Well, actually it doesn't. When the entire post is seen it 
will
be observed that my views were very different from what Mr McVay wishes
to deceive his readers into believing. The post is a lengthy response to a
series of questions posted by Dr David 'Orac' Gorski. I quote it in full, 
with
the exception of the headers and the opening material from earlier
exchanges in the thread. I include both Gorski's questions and my
responses:122

Nice to see you putting up an argument, Mr G! And it's a tough one
too.

Please read on.

> your true colors are that you tend sympathize with the philosophy
> and goals of National Socialism, aren't they?

Philosophy -- no. I don't think National Socialism has a coherent
philosophy. That's one reason why various attempts to revive it tend
to result in numerous factions forming. I do have a lot more time for the
approach of the early Fascisti. I like their pragmatism: they don't
ask 'how can I make my people serve my ideology', but rather 'which
ideology shall we apply here, now, in this particular instance, to serve my
people'. For me, politics is not a battle between 'Right' and 'Left'
but between idealogues and pragmatists. That's why I don't share the doom
and gloom of many nationalists. I see a movement towards a far more
pragmatic approach in politics nowadays -- a 'fascistization' of
politics. The gulf that separates, say, Tony Blair from Oswald Mosley
is not as great, in my view, as the gulf that separates Tony Blair from,
say, Anthony Wedgewood Benn, the dogmatist at the far 'Left' of his
Labour Party. But this has nothing to do with National Socialism.
As to whether I sympathize with the goals of National Socialism, the
honest answer is that I sympathize with some of them. Just as I
sympathize with some of the goals of libertarianism and even some of
communism. I'm a true eclectic. If a man talks sense, and if the sense
that he talks can serve my country, then he is worth listening to
whatever labels he applies to himself. Again, I'm following in the
tradition of the likes of Mr Mussolini and, to a lesser extent, Sir
Oswald Mosley (neither of whom were, at first, particularly
anti-Semitic, I should add). Both were prepared to follow the
traditional political routes only insofar as they served the nation.
When they ceased to do so, they adopted a more opportunistic,
pragmatic approach, albeit at considerable personal cost.

> But perhaps I have misinterpreted your intention. I'm only human, and
> Usenet often hides the subtle shadings of meaning that people intend when
> the post, leading to frequent misunderstandings. Perhaps, despite your
> many posts that suggest otherwise, you do not have National Socialist
> sympathies. If so, it's really quite simple for you to prove me wrong. All
> you have to do is to answer these two questions:
>
> 1.) Do you in general believe in the philosophy or goals of National
Socialism?

Philosophy -- no. Goals -- some.

> 2.) Do you in general sympathize with the goals or philosophy of National
> Socialism.

Philosophy -- sometimes. Goals -- some.

> Two explicit "no" answers without prevarication or reservation, and you've
> proven me wrong.

Then I haven't proven you wrong, but it doesn't follow from the above
that I am a rampaging Hitler supporter. Let me show you why. Let's
consider where I think the Nazis were right and where I think they
were wrong.

So where do I agree with them?

First, Dr Goebbels made very clear, in 1935, the absolute opposition
of the German National Socialists to communism. This position was
reiterated by Mr Hitler. It seems quite plain to me that communism has
caused immense suffering throughout the world this century. Estimates
of the numbers slaughtered in its name exceed 200 million. It has
enslaved vast swathes of territory; it has destroyed whole national 
cultures;
it has caused misery exceeding anything known to mankind. With the
lamentable exception of the Molotov--Ribbentrop pact, which I hope was
a ruse, the Nazis had an excellent record of dealing appropriately with
communists. They hanged them, shot them, strung them up from
lamp-posts.
And in so doing they have my complete support.

Second, the National Socialists were nationalists. At the end of the
day, nationalism, in the sense that I'd use it, is not an abstract
theory or set of propositions or ideology. It is love of one's people
and homeland, and a desire to serve, preserve and enhance them.
Nothing more and nothing less. It is a sentiment, like love of one's wife. 
It
cannot be justified or refuted, although, irritatingly, people keep
trying to justify it -- and I dare say you've shot a few of them down
in flames in this very newsgroup! It does not entail hatred of other
nations, any more than your love of your wife or children or pet
hamster entails hatred of other wives of children or hamsters. It is more a
case : 'this is MINE -- this is what I love and shall defend'. Maybe I'm
just an old-fashioned Romantic, Mr G, but I sincerely love my homeland
and people, for all their faults, and would like to serve them as best
I can, not out of a wish for personal gain or to further any ideology,
but in the true spirit of public service. I recognize in the National
Socialists a similar spirit. How can I condemn in them a feeling that
is so strong in myself?

Third, National Socialism was a revolutionary movement that was based
upon a wonderful dream. Forget the stories of corpses for a moment, Mr
G, and imagine a world very different from the world we inhabit today.
Imagine a world free from the wars that have scarred the face of this
tired old planet since the beginning of time; a world with no extreme
poverty, with no disease, with no exploitation of worker by employer,
no jolting financial crises (with the misery that such crises entail) --
a world united in a common purpose and a common vision. Imagine a world
free from the old conflicts, where worker and employer strive
side-by-side for the common good, where 'Left' and 'Right' are mere
historical anachronisms, where nation works peacefully alongside
nation for the greater glory of all the earth. Imagine, if you will, a 
world
where, through a process of artificial genetic selection, mankind has
been enhanced to heights undreamed of: when, year by year, mere human
beings grow ever closer to becoming gods. Think of the beauty of those
people, of their art, their music, their literature. Think of their
levels of culture, their humanity, their nobility. Now contrast this
with the world that has been bequeathed to our children as a result of
that needless and miserable world war. Just pick up a newspaper and
look around you -- look at what your 'liberals' and your 'democrats' have
left to them. Look at the dull-eyed teenagers, drugged to their
eyeballs, staggering around bleak housing estates, their stereos
blaring drum-beats! What do they know of the glories of a Bruckner 
symphony,
or the heart-rending beauty of Nietzsche? What good have 'democracy' and
'liberalism' ever done for them, Mr G? Answer me that! Look at Africa
and Asia -- thousands upon thousands of square miles, characterized by
war, starvation, famine, massacre, corruption, decay, filth. What good
have 'freedom' and 'rights' ever done for the inhabitants of those
miserable regions? Answer me that! What good is 'freedom' to a man who
cannot afford to buy his daily bread? Tell me that, Mr G! Look at the
legacy of communism -- the blood red claw that, even today, enslaves a
quarter of the world's population. Think of the 200 million corpses --
people who died as victims of this evil claw, for no good purpose
whatsoever. Now can you honestly put your hand on your heart and tell
me, in all sincerity, sir, that you truly and without reservation
believe that the world you and your kind have bequeathed to future
generations -- the world that has given us Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and
the pathetic figure of William Jefferson Clinton, who symbolizes all that
is wrong with this earth -- that you honestly believe that this world you
have left for us is better than our alternative? Can you honestly tell
me that the dream of a beautiful new world that I have outlined above
--
the dream that inspired countless thousands of young Europeans to
flock to the National Socialist banner -- is not worth fighting for? Can 
you
honestly tell me that it is not worth dying for?

So where do I disagree with them.

First, as I indicated above, there is a lack of clarity as to intent
and purpose. Most National Socialist publications that I have seen
nowadays lack any clear direction. They seem to consist merely of the
confused mutterings of their publishers, which range from the odd, to the
mystical, to the completely daft.

Second, there is a complete lack of any credible leadership. You have
only to witness the undignified way in which the so-called leaders of
the movement today conduct themselves in this newsgroup to see this.
That they should indulge in public squabbling in the face of the enemy
is unforgivable and shows that they are no hopers. Sixty years ago,
such quarrels between brothers would have been settled in private, if
necessary with the assistance of a well-placed bullet.

Third, I am persuaded that the National Socialist movement may, at
times, have participated in unjustified acts of brutality. This in no
way detracts from the fact that their enemies clearly did likewise,
and I do not lose sight of the fact that there was a war on, that 'war is
war' and 'these things happen', or that there was a strong degree of
disorganization, panic and resentment at times. Nevertheless, such
behaviour is quite inexcusable and, where it can be proven to have
occurred, it must be condemned unreservedly.

Fourth, I think that the National Socialists may, in the past, have
taken their use of the race concept to extremes. I don't regard the
Jews as a 'race' but as a cultural group, although one that clearly tends
to attract adherents disproportionately from one particular 'race'. I can
see how the concerns about Jewish influence may have arisen, and from
my own fairly recent encounter with the Jewish community, I must say that
I am struck by how true-to-life the Nazi stereotype of the Jews seems to
be I think the problem, however, is cultural rather than genetic. I
tend to strongly dislike most Jews whom I meet -- they are arrogant,
aggressive, dishonest people. But I can think of several with whom I
formed good relationships, in three cases even friendships. This is
not to say that 'race' cannot be used as a relevant factor in political
decisions. Indeed, in Britain today, where 1 in 5 pre-school children
are of 'mixed' race, it is imperative that race SHOULD be used in
political decisions if our culture and way of life is to survive even
one century into the new millennium. But the concept must be used
SENSIBLY.

Fifth, a central feature of National Socialism was the fuhrer
principle and the need for loyalty to one man, Mr Adolf Hitler. I regret 
that
I would swear loyalty to no one other than myself. Mr Hitler was not
infallible. The fact that he managed to lose the most important war of
all time is clear evidence of this.

So, you see, Mr G, I think that there is good and bad in it. As with
most political movements. The trick, methinks, is to preserve and
enhance the good while doing away with the bad. In other words,
pragmatism should rule.

> I'm sure you can do that little thing just to prove my assertion wrong,
> can't you? (Of course, just remember that if you decide to do so
> insincerely just to make me look bad it'll certainly come back to haunt
> you later when you post something that contradicts your answers to these
> questions...)

Well, I know there's always a temptation to label things. I think
labels usually tend to oversimplify and hence distort. It depends what you
want to do. If you want to smear me, then I suppose applying the 'Nazi'
label is as good as any. If you want to accurately classify me for some
obscure purpose, the 'Nazi' label would not fit particularly well.

> >Do you disagree with me on this point? Why?
>
> For the most part, yes, I do disagree. The primary purpose of Germany's
> war was not primarily to "save the world" but to secure Lebensraum for
> Germany in the East, as described in MEIN KAMPF. Later, when it became
> clear that Germany was losing the war that it had started, the only thing
> the Nazis were trying to save was their hides.

I think they were trying to save the world from Bolshevism, from what
they saw as Jewish influence, and from a variety of other 'degenerate'
forces. Certainly they wanted to secure Lebensraum and I think they
wanted to rectify what they saw as unjust conditions imposed upon them
by brute force at the end of the First World War. If you can let me
know precisely what it is you disagree with in this I'll fish around and
try to find some documented backup for it.

Now what I was saying there might have been controversial, but it was
not the uncritical endorsement of Nazism that Mr McVay would like his
readers to think that it was. Since that time I have modified my views
somewhat and nowadays I have more in common with the national-anarchists
than the Fascisti. In particular, I am now convinced that imperialism, 
strong
leaders, powerful states and the repression of political opponents is not 
the
way forward. In particular,I have become convinced that it is indeed 
possible
to work with certain communist and other radical groups against the common
enemy of the current age, which I regard as American imperialism. I have
posted this often to alt.revisionism, which Mr McVay and his supporters 
read,
but Mr McVay continues to mislead his readers on the question of what I 
really
think.

Smear no. 3 - Mr McVay charges me with neo-Nazism and criminality

Mr McVay posts on his Web site transcripts of allegations made by
Yale F. Edeiken in his lawsuit against Scott Bradbury.

< End Tavish
comment>>

These allegations make the following reference to me:123

9. Defendant Scott Bradbury has participated in campaigns of threats,
defamation, forgery, and harassment in order to intimidate and harass
his opponent and prevent them from exercising their rights of free speech.
10.
Defendant Scott Bradbury has assisted and/or obtained the assistance
of others in said campaigns, including but not limited to David E. Michael,
Donald Ellis,
and "Pat Blakely."

 . .

25. Since the filing of this lawsuit Defendant Scott Bradbury
increased his efforts to harass and threaten Plaintiff and to distribute 
false
and defamatory information about him in an effort to intimidate Plaintiff. 
26.
Defendant has been assisted in this effort by David E. Michael and Donald
Ellis publishing material either under their own names, pseudonyms, or
anonymously.

Mr McVay is here citing material accusing me of, inter alia, criminal
offences.
Let it be placed on record that I have not been found guilty of, or
charged with, any criminal offence at any time in my life. I have not even
been charged with the crimes of which Mr McVay accuses me. McVay has
claimed that he was merely reporting Mr Edeiken's allegations, which were
in a court (and thus were protected from libel action). However, I am 
advised
that in so reporting them, and particularly in the way in which he has
repeatedly posted them to Usenet newsgroups, Mr McVay is engaging in libel.

It should be noted, in particular, that Edeiken's lawsuit was thrown out on
appeal. Mr McVay makes no note of the fact that Edeiken had every reason to
tell outright lies about me as I too had defeated him in a lawsuit that he
brought against me in Pennsylvania.

Additional defamatory material is published in another part of Mr
McVay's report of Edeiken's allegations:124

15. Defendant is supported and assisted in his campaigns of harassment
as aforesaid by various accomplices who Plaintiff believes and therefore
aversinclude, inter alia:

16. The aforesaid campaigns arise from Defendant;'s pathological hatred of 
Jew
and/or any person opposed to his pathological hatred and are conducted
maliciously, wantonly, wilfully, and recklessly by the Defendant and his
accomplices and in outrageous disregard of the rights of his victims with 
the
specific purpose of intimidating and silencing his opponents, intentionally
causing them mental distress, anguish and grief, and adversely affecting 
their
reputation in the communities in which they reside.

17. That such purpose and intent of Defendant is known to Defendant's
accomplices who actively support Defendant's goals and purposes and assist
him in stalking his victims during his campaigns of harassment, defamation,
and intimidation.

18. Such agreement on the part of his accomplices includes the ethnic
prejudice and hatred that motivates Defendant.

19. That said accomplices include, inter alia: a. David E. Michael, a 
British
neo-Nazi and denier of the Holocaust who is an adherent of and/or organizer
for the neo-Nazi British National Party.

As argued above, as well as being quite innocent of the criminal
charges made against me by Mr Edeiken and Mr McVay on Web sites and in
Usenet groups but not to the police, I am neither a 'neo-Nazi' nor a 
'denier
of the Holocaust'.

5.6.3 Plain incompetence - my biography

For a brief period of time Ken McVay posted on his Nizkor site a small
'biography' of me. Why he should seek to do this is a matter for
speculation.
McVay removed it fairly rapidly and it was not archived by the
Internet Archive Wayback Machine (as at December 2002), so the only 
evidence
that it ever existed is the exchange that it generated on Usenet. This
consisted of an original postby me:125,  and responses by Steven Mock,126
Michael Ragland127 and two posters using pseudonyms.

My contribution to this thread highlighted the errors. My post read as
follows:

In his latest (rather pathetic) attempt to intimidate me into silence,
Ken McVay's 'Nizkor' website now posts an interesting little 'biography'
of me.
This is at:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//m/michael.david/refere
nces
	
	1981 - Campaign for More Democratic Student Representation
(Age 18)
	Federation of Conservative Students

	1982-1984, Active member of the National Front, reputedly
associated closely with Andrew Brons, who was and still is a university
lecturer. (Brons subsequently left the National Front, and disassociated
himself from far-right activity.)

	1981-1984, philosophy student, St. Andrews University

	1988, graduated Keele University; PhD Clinical Psychology. Not
	believed to be working in the field.
	

	Errors include:

* wrong age given in 1981 (I was born in summer 1962) [an interesting
error -- this, together with the other errors about my academic
background, suggests that Ken got this info not from the university itself
(which would either have given accurate information or told him to piss 
off)
but rather via the good Gerry, who has links with Special Branch, the
executive wing of MI5];

* Brons was not a university lecturer -- he was a polytechnic lecturer
(I wasn't particularly close to him either, although we inevitably worked
together on a couple of minor projects so I can see how that
impression might have arisen);

* wrong dates given for NF membership;

* I was not, in fact, a philosophy student at St Andrews University
>from 1981 to 1984;

* I did not graduate from Keele University with a PhD in clinical
psychology.

It appears that Nizkor is about as accurate in its information about
its opponents as it is about the history of World War II.

	David

(For the record, I have a MA(Hons) in psychology and a PhD in the
psychology of instructional text and graphic design. I did indeed also 
study
philosophy, but not from 1981 to 1984 at St Andrews.)

5.7 The Nizkor funding controversy

There are two elements to this: McVay's relationship with B'nai Brith
Canada and McVay's relationship with the American San Antonio Foundation.

5.7.1 Nizkor's official position re. B'nai Brith Canada

The following is currently (December 2002) posted on Nizkor's Web
site:128

The Nizkor Project is pleased to announce its cooperative affiliation
with the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada. The League is a
national volunteer organization dedicated to combatting antisemitism, 
racism
and bigotry, and to promoting human rights for all Canadians.

Donors wishing to use their VISA or MASTER CARD for their donation may
call B'nai Brith directly, at 1-416-633-6224, and advise the receptionist
that they wish to make a donation to the Nizkor Project; If you prefer, you
can print this form and send to:

  The Nizkor Project
  c/o
  The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada
  15 Hove Street
  Toronto, Ontario M3H 4Y8

After the form it continues:

Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the cheque's
memo section. A portion of amounts donated to the Trust Fund is used to
build the Nizkor Endowment Fund. If you prefer that all of your donation be
invested for Nizkor's future needs, please earmark your cheque or draft 
with
the notation
'For The Nizkor Endowment Fund Only. (All bequests should be to the
'Nizkor Endowment Fund, Care of The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
Canada'.)

Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
[#0235903-43-13]

5.7.2 The allegation re. B'nai Brith Canada

Allegations regarding 'problems' concerning the manner in which Nizkor
receives monies from B'nai Brith Canada come thick and fast on Usenet. They
not usually particularly clear. However, the following allegation, which I 
can
neither verify nor refute, was posted anonymously to Usenet by someone who
evidently does not like Jews but nevertheless manages to outline the gist 
of
what is perceived to be the difficulty more clearly than most:129

It works like this:

McVay wants money, and solicits donations for Nizkor.

Problem: Potential donors want a tax receipt, and as McVay's Nizkor is
a *for-profit* enterprise, he is powerless to *legally* issue such a
receipt (which provides a tangible financial benefit to potential donors).

No receipts = fewer donors, potentially leaving McVay faced with
having to choose between eating macaroni & cheese, and paying his server 
fees.
:- (

Luckily for McVay, Jews LOVE the little pro-Jewish holocaust
propaganda machine that their favorite Shabbos Goy has cooked up, as they
stand to benefit when the public sympathizes with the image of "Jewish
Suffering". (Oy Vey!)

The Jewish B'nai Brith Canada knows well the PR value of the
"Holocaust", and wants to see McVay's propaganda machine succeed, so
they agree to *launder* intended for Nizkor through their "non-profit"
organization, and issue tax receipts, which will give incentive to McVay's
potential donors.

Problem solved: McVay instructs potential donors to make checks
intended for Nizkor payable to a *third party*, B'nai Brith Canada, and is
thus able to promise these potential donors that a tax receipt will be 
issued.

Being extremely grateful for McVay's "work", B'nai Brith gladly issues
a tax receipt to the 'donor', and passes the monies on to McVay (less a 5%
handling fee, of course. After all, they're not THAT grateful, and they ARE
Jews, aren't they?). o:-)>

So in the end, everyone wins: McVay gets his 'donation', the 'donor'
gets his tax receipt, and B'nai Brith gets their pro-Jewish holocaust
propaganda (and 5% of the gross). The only one who gets screwed is the
Canadian Taxpayer, because if a 'donor' decides to give McVay's Nizkor
$1,000.00, and is issued a tax receipt for that amount by B'nai Brith, only
$50.00 will actually STAY with the non-profit that issued the receipt, with
the balance of $950.00 going directly to the for-profit Nizkor (McVay), as 
per
their previous agreement.

To put it another way, the Canadian Taxpayer is screwed out of the tax
revenue on $950.00.

This is money laundering in its purest form.

Is this illegal? Probably. (if it isn't, it should be)
Is it fraudulent? In my opinion, definitely:

1) Because McVay offers tax receipts for 'donations' to Nizkor,
potential donors are likely *led to believe* that Nizkor is a non-profit
enterprise. It is NOT.
Many donors are likely duped into believing they are contributing to a
non-profit organization.

2) B'nai Brith is issuing non-profit tax receipts for monies intended
for Nizkor, and per prior agreement, 95% of these monies will in fact be
passed directly to Nizkor, a for-profit enterprise. Canadian taxpayers are
cheated because tax receipts have been issued by B'nai Brith which were 
for 19
times the value of the monies actually retained by a non-profit enterprise.

Conclusion:

(In my opinion) Ken McVay and B'nai Brith Canada have conspired to
dupe potential donors to Nizkor, and to fraudulently cheat the Canadian
taxpayer.

The same poster ('Waldo') had made a similar allegation on 19 May 2001
in a Usenet post:130

On May 15, 2001, an article entitled "$60 MILLION JEW FRAUD!!!" was
posted to alt.revisionism. Within the article was a news story that
reportedly ran in Montreal Gazette, on Thursday 21 September 2000. The
headline read:

"Huge tax scam exposed
Religious group issued phony receipts for tens of millions"

The story gave details of how a Hasidic Jewish organization known as
Construit Toujours had defrauded the Canadian government by selling
$60 million dollars in fraudulent tax receipts to Jewish individuals and
businesses who donated to the organization.

In an apparent quid pro quo, the non-profit Construit Toujours would
solicit donations from members of the Jewish community, and in turn issue 
the
donors Canadian tax receipts for five times the actual amount contributed.

In this win/ win scenario, Construit Toujours benefited from the
receipt of the actual donation, and the donor would benefit by receiving 
tax
deductions that, according to the article, were worth more than 2.5 times 
the
amount actually donated.

Everyone benefited - except of course, all other Canadian taxpayers,
who were forced to make up for the tens of millions of dollars worth of
tax deficit caused by this fraud.

This brings to mind the situation currently faced by Nizkor, or "The
Nizkor Project", a Toronto area based website run by Ken McVay.

Nizkor is a pro-Jewish organization which, according to their website
is "Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust victims who suffered and died
at the hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime".

http://www.nizkor.org

The thrust of Nizkor's mission appears to be keeping the Holocaust at
the forefront of the public mind, and battling so-called "Holocaust
Deniers":
Revisionist historians, or anyone else who would dare publicly
question the generally accepted "facts" of the German holocaust against
European Jewry in the 1930's and 40's.

While the defense of the Holocaust might appear to be a noble cause,
there are serious questions with regard to the source of Nizkor's funding:
Ken McVay has stated publicly on numerous occasions that Nizkor is *not* a
non-profit organization, yet the organization offers a Canadian tax
receipt to any donor who contributes ten dollars or more to the Project.

>From the Nizkor website:

"Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
[#0235903-43-13]"

http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

How does an organization which admits to being a for-profit enterprise
issue
Canadian tax receipts?

It seem that Nizkor has developed a "cooperative affiliation" with the
pro-Jewish "League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada", which is
described by Nizkor as a "national volunteer organization dedicated to
combatting antisemitism, racism and bigotry, and to promoting human
rights
for all Canadians".

http://www.bnaibrith.ca/league/league.htm

The League for Human Rights, it appears,*is* listed as a non-profit
organization, and is accepting contributions, and issuing Canadian tax
receipts on the behalf of Nizkor, a for-profit organization.

This raises some very serious questions:

What exactly is the nature of the "affiliation" between Nizkor and the
League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada?

How are the monies received by the League for Human Rights of B'nai
Brith Canada on Nizkor's behalf distributed and accounted for? Is there a
quid pro quo?

Does the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada retain a
portion of the funds it collects on Nizkor's behalf?

Do Ken McVay and Nizkor pay taxes on monies funneled through the
League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada, and for which Canadian tax
receipts were issued to donors?

Because Canadian tax receipts are offered for monies donated to
Nizkor, donors may be convinced that they are contributing to a non-profit
organization, while Ken McVay has denied Nizkor's non-profit status on
numerous occasions. Does this practice not give the appearance of
fraud?

On what grounds can Nizkor, a for-profit organization, justify funding
its operations and paying its staff at the expense of the Canadian
taxpayer?
What sets Nizkor apart from any other for-profit enterprises who might
enjoy the benefits of receiving funds that are funneled through a non-
profit
organization?

For example, would it not be beneficial to the proprietors and clients
of a Law or Consulting firm to establish an "affiliation" with a non-profit
organization through which all monies could be funneled, and tax
receipts issued?

The non-profit status of organizations are unfortunately abused on a
regular basis. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly recently uncovered allegations that 
the
Rev. Jesse Jackson used tens of thousands of dollars collected under
Jackson's non-profit Rainbow Push organization to pay off his mistress who
bore their illegitimate child. Thus far, the IRS has not investigated 
Jackson.

In the Construit Toujours case, the Jewish organization was stripped
of its right to issue tax receipts, and fined $400,000, while the "donors" 
to
the organization were to face criminal charges, and would be forced to
repay the taxes they evaded in the fraudulent scheme.

Are Ken McVay/ Nizkor, and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
Canada of guilty of similar fraud or impropriety?

It is painfully obvious that funds earmarked for Ken McVay's
for-profit Nizkor are being funneled through the League for Human Rights of
B'nai Brith Canada, and that Canadian non-profit tax receipts are being 
issued
for funds that are intended to benefit a for-profit enterprise.

Both Ken McVay/ Nizkor and the League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith
Canada owe the taxpayers of Canada a complete and detailed explanation of
their handling of the funds earmarked for Nizkor. Furthermore, the Canadian
Federal Revenue Agency should conduct a thorough investigation of both
organizations.

Waldo

Observer at LargeIt is also sometimes pointed out that B'nai Brith
Canada has been associated with financial sleaze. Former national
vice-president of B'Nai Brith Canada, Harry Bloomfield, is a convicted
criminal found guilty of charges related to conspiring to aid crooked 
clients
in breaching securities regulations and tax laws. (Brent Mudry, 'Pertacal 
ex
Bloomfield convicted in major offshore prosecution', Stockwatch 21 November
2001).

5.7.3. McVay's responses to the attacks

McVay's responses to the attacks were dismissive. In a 21 May 2001
Usenet post, for example, he wrote:

'What "for-profit organization" might you be referring to, Bubba? The
Nizkor Project? A website?'131

In another post of the same date, he wrote:132

If you feel that the law is being broken, then your duty is clear -
you must report me, forthwith, to Canada Customs and Revenue Agency.

Do let us know what the result is, won't you, Bubba?

However, McVay asserted that Nizkor and McVay did not issue tax
receipts in the following post:133

Mr. Bradbury's problem seems to be that he believes that Nizkor or Ken
McVay issues tax receipts, in spite of having been told that this is not
true. Mr. Grosvenor has made the same rather stupid claim since 1996,
but has yet to provide the proof... heck, I even told Grosvenor _exactly_
how to prove his case, and he ran for the hills . . . he's STILL running. 
So
I'll make the same offer to Mr. Bradbury: Donate $10 to Nizkor, using the
form provided, and when you receive your receipt, send it to the Government
of Canada in support of your (libelous) claim. Tell them that the receipt
"proves" that Ken McVay and/or Nizkor issues receipts. As I've said before:
Mr. Bradbury is not only too stupid to understand the answer, Mr. Bradbury 
is
too stupid to understand the question, too.

5.7.4 The San Antonio Fund

The clearest description of Nizkor's relationship with the San Antonio
Fund was given by the anti-revisionist John Morris in a Usenet post:134

The San Antonio Area Fund is an umbrella organization that puts
philanthropistsin touch with charitable and non-profit organizations in 
need
of funds. Here is the address of their website:

http://www.saafdn.org

The San Antonio Area Fund - Nizkor Fund was established in the
mid-1990s to create a charitable funding source for Ken McVay's Nizkor
Project.
Shortly after the SAAF-NF was established, the principals severed their 
ties
with McVay.
Except for the former registrant of holocaust-history.org, it is
unlikely you will find any connection between SAAF-NF and Nizkor after 
about
1997.

In fact Nizkor appears to have started soliciting US donations through
its SAAF connection in or around August/September 1996.135

In June 1997, McVay confirmed that 'The ADL is an American
organization.
American funds donated to The Nizkor Project are handled by the San Antonio
Area Foundation'.136

In January 2001, McVay made the rather surprising statement that:

'The Nizkor Project has no operations of any sort whatsoever within
the United States. Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever 
received
any money from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund'.137

<
Date: 30 Mar 2003 03:49:22 GMT End of Tavish addition>>

Mr McVay's assertion that he has never received any money from the San
AntonioArea Foundation was apparently refuted by an article in a San 
Antonio
newspaper, the San Antonio Express-News dated 3 August 1996:138

Internet project won't let Holocaust be forgotten Thomas Edwards
Express-News Staff Writer >>

"Nizkor" in Hebrew means "we will remember," but it is also a solemn
promise Holocaust researcher Kenneth McVay has taken to the Internet so
that people will never forget the atrocities of Nazi Germany. Now his task 
has
gotten a little easier with a $50,000 grant from the philanthropic San 
Antonio
Area Foundation to the Nizkor Project, an international computer web site
directed by the 55-year-old McVay from his home in Vancouver Island,
Canada.The Nizkor project not only provides information on Hitler's bloody
pogroms but is also intended to counter the claims of "deniers" (as McVay
calls them). . .

(At this point the astute reader might also recall the 8 May 1996
article in Edmonton Jewish Life, cited above, which said that McVay 'lives 
on
a modest monthly income of $1500, from a trust fund set up by some wealthy
people who've been very generous and mostly plain folk . . .')

The San Antonio Area Foundation Annual Report 2000 also records a
donation given to Nizkor, further calling into question Mr McVay's honesty 
on
financial matters139 (and apparently refuting Mr Morris's speculation that
links between Nizkor and the Foundation had been severed in 1997).

Moreover, Nizkor has two servers based at San Antonio in the US,
which, as at 17 December 2002, were functioning:

http://www1.us.nizkor.org/

http://www1.us.nizkor.org/search.html

This clearly refutes Ken McVay's assertion that 'The Nizkor Project
has no operations of any sort whatsoever within the United States.'

< End Tavish
addition>>

The above apparently shows that McVay knowingly, deliberately and
fraudulently misrepresents the financial and organizational activities of
Nizkor.

Should the San Antonio Area Fund have been funding McVay? The answer
appears to be a clear 'no'. Their Web site contains a section headed 'what 
we
do not fund'.140 This states, inter alia, that they do not fund

Individuals

or

Political activities and organizations or any propaganda efforts
intended to influence legislation

Both of these categories seem to rule out funding for Mr McVay's
Nizkor. Yet, apparently, he received $50,000 of donors' money.
We do not know if the donors are aware of this. We do not know if the 
funds'
principals are aware of this. We do not know if Mr McVay has returned the
donors' money. We do not know whether he has been requested to return their
money.
Readers are invited to contact the fund at:
San Antonio Area Foundation, 110 Broadway, Suite 230, San Antonio,
Texas 78205, telephone: 210-225-2243, fax: 210-225-1980, e-mail:
gift@saafdn.org, to try to find out.

I sent an e-mail on 8 December 2002 asking the San Antonio Fund about
its support for Nizkor. As at 20 December 2002 my e-mail had received no
response, from which I deduce that they'd rather not talk about it. Perhaps
their donors might like to talk about it - especially the $50,000 of their
money apparently pocketed by Mr McVay.

5.7.5 Ken Lewis's response to the attacks

Nizkor supporter Ken Lewis gave a response in which he states, inter
alia:141
 . . lets see if we can recap and put this to rest.
1) The San Antonio Foundation is not connected to Ken in anyway.
2) There is no facility whereby citizens of the US can make a tax
deductible
donation to Nizkor.
3) Nizkor is a website.
4) Nizkor is not an organization.
5) Nizkor is not a non profit organization nor a charity.
6) Nizkor does not issue Canadian tax deductible receipts.
7) Anyone wishing to make a donation to Nizkor may do so using the
format suggested in funding.shtml on the Nizkor site. (Now pay attention 
here
Scott. This is where it gets interesting.)
8) B'nai Brith is a non profit organization or a charity (I don't
recall which).
9) B'nai Brith is allowed to issue tax deductable receipts.
10) Money donated to B'nai Brith and marked for Nizkor go into an
account for Nizkor (Ken McVay).
11) B'nai Brith is allowed by Canadian Law to issue a tax
deductable receipt for the money THEY received with the request it be
given to Nizkor.
12) NPO's and Charities may dispose of their money in any fashion they
see fit.
13) B'nai Brith chooses to give the money they get with the request it
be given to Nizkor to Nizkor.
14) In all cases above where Nizkor is used we are speaking of a
person - Ken McVay.
15) Since Nizkor is not an organization, any money donated to 'Nizkor'
and received by Ken from B'nai Brith must be claimed as revenue on Ken's
personal income tax.

And there you have it, Blubberbury. The whole kit-n-kaboodle. Nothing
illegal.
Nothing suspect.

The problems with Mr Lewis's response will now be evident to the
reader.

5.7.6 Is Nizkor really just a Web site and not an organization

Is Ken Lewis correct in asserting that Nizkor is merely a Web site and
not an organization?142

Certainly, another Nizkor supporter, Sara Salzman (Schwarz) takes a
similar line:143

'Nizkor has NO employees. Period.'

Ken McVay himself has propounded the 'Nizkor is just a Web site' line
vigorously:144

Nizkor is a website, not a club. Nizkor does not have "members."
Nizkor has volunteers, Nizkor has contributors, Nizkor has supporters, but
Nizkor does not have members, and one cannot "join" Nizkor. Sara Salzman is
not only a contributor and supporter, but a major contributor, having 
provided
thousands of pages of HTML during the past 6 years. A "member" she isn't. A
g*dsend, but not a member. Ain't no such animal here.

And again:145

'Nizkor is neither a charitable organization or an NPO, that it is, in
fact, a website.'

The following points seem to refute the view that Nizkor is merely a
Web site, as opposed to an organization with a Web site.

1. Mr McVay repeatedly refers to himself, and is referred to by his
supporters, as the 'director' of Nizkor. (See, for example, the front page 
of
Nizkor's main site at http://nizkor.org.) It is strange that a Web site, 
which
is supposedly not an organization, should have a 'director'.

2. The mysterious Golan Klinger,146 founder of Vex.net, also refers to
himself as being 'on the board' of Nizkor. It is interesting, nay 
remarkable,
that a Web site, which is supposedly not an organization, should have a
'board'. (Klinger is also on the board of iComm). Vex.net gives its 
address as
The Cain Gang Ltd,
207 Gamble Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M4J 2P4, tel.
+1-416-609-1502,
+1-416-425-1212, fax +1-416-424-2738.147 It will be noted that Ken
McVay has an e-mail address with Vex.net and that Vex.net also hosts the 
Web
site of B'nai Brith Canada.148

3. As a result of Usenet discussions between myself , McVay and Yale
F. Edeiken, negotiations were entered into between myself and these
individuals regarding a possible wager between myself and Ken McVay/Nizkor
over the authenticity of tapes purporting to be recordings of Himmler's 
famous
'Posen speech'.
McVay asked Edeiken to produce a draft contract contractualizing the wager.
According to Nizkor's own Web site, this was 'approved by Nizkor's 
Director,
Ken McVay' and was 'delivered to Mr. Michael [sic] on March 9, 1999, for 
his
consideration'.149 The very first paragraph of this draft contract
reads thus:150

The Nizkor Project (hereinafter "Nizkor"), an unincorporated
organization based in Canada and David Michael (hereinafter "Michael") a
citizen and resident of the United Kingdom hereby agree to jointly have the
recording of the speech made by Heinrich Himmler before officers gathered 
in
the Polish city of Posen in October 1943 and entered into evidence at the
trial before the IMT of major war criminals at Nuremberg and currently 
held by
the U.S. National Archives analyzed by a recognized laboratory 
specializing in
voice print analysis to determine whether the voice on said tape-recording 
is
that of Heinrich Himmler.

Now if Nizkor is not, as Mr McVay repeatedly protested, an
organization but merely a Web site, why did a draft contract approved by 
McVay
state quite explicitly that it was 'an unincorporated organization based in
Canada'? And what was a Web site doing negotiating to enter into a 
contract?

Even if the above does not show conclusively that Mr Kenneth McVay,
director of Nizkor, is a criminal, it does illustrate conclusively that he 
is
a very, very dishonest man. Quod erat demonstrandum.

5.8 Encouragement of denial-of-service attacks on opponents

In 1997, Ingrid Rimland provided the world with the following exposure
of Nizkor's encouragement of cyber crime against its opponents.151

Here is a telling follow-up on electronic terrorism involving none
other than Nizkor. Be sure to read it carefully - and act on it if you are 
so
inclined.

You will remember the massive e-mail attack aimed at our
California-based server, Web Communications, in mid-December. For 40 hours
straight, an automatic mailer fired three words - "Denial of Service" - at 
the
rate of 200 e-mail messages per second at Webcom - an attack which 
amounted to
a staggering 28.8 million letters.

This electronic bombardment shut down the Webcom system and crippled
3,000 websites during the busiest weekend of the Christmas season. The
damage to customers of Webcom must have been in the hundreds of thousands 
if
not millions of dollars.

This was the second time that Webcom has been so attacked. The first
attack came out of Germany via Deutsche Telekom a year ago in response to 
an
announced and then hotly denied "debate" with the notorious Holocaust
Promotion website, Nizkor - a website opposing Revisionist websites on 
grounds
that Nizkor's function is to serve the memory of those who died in the
"Holocaust" whom we are wantonly defaming.

Now keep in mind as you read the information below that Nizkor issues
tax deductible receipt via a certain charitable outfit to people who
support their work. The outfit that collects donations for Nizkor in 
Canada is
called The Zikaron Tolerance and Remembrance Society. In the United States,
donations in support of Nizkor are being made payable to San Antonio Area
Foundation - Nizkor Fund. Both Canadian and American donors may deduct 
their
contributions from their income taxes.

You will also recall that while trying to contact Nizkor's head
honcho, Ken McVay, for a broadcast interview, Ernst was directed to a mail
drop to several phone message machines. Personal e-mail sent to Ken McVay 
was
answered by none other than B'nai Brith's chief spokesperson on Vancouver
Island, Harry Abrams.
His telephone was answered by a Rabbi Goldberg. Furthermore, McVay is
publicly lionized and promoted on the lecture circuit by B'nai Brith et al 
-
the folks who like to visit law enforcement quarters to regale them
"sensitivity training" on how to spot and counteract "racists and 
terrorists."

We understand that Ken McVay and entourage are giving it their all by
serving to protect the Holocaust Lobbyists from having to answer some
justified questions, such as: "Did Six Million Really Die?" For that, they 
get
official kudos from sundry dignitaries and lots of free publicity from a
beholden media.
Their website URL is frequently listed in articles. Ken McVay even got the
Order of British Columbia from the Queen of England for his work.

What seems to have been overlooked until now is the incriminating fact
that the allegedly oh so noble folks at Nizkor, who like to seize the moral
high ground in every argument, store detailed information and instructions 
on
how to engage in electronic computer terrorism on their websites. This is
tantamount to displaying bomb making instructions on militia sites, which
Nizkor's friends routinely rail about.

This information on the Nizkor website directs people where to find
and download programs needed to execute devastating e-mail bombings.
This is distinctly not an accidental listing because Nizkor submitted it 
to be
placed on its own website search engine so that potential electronic
terrorists would easily be able to find it.

There comes a point when the public must be allowed to ask: "Where
does B'nai Brith's influence and control over Nizkor begin or end? Does it
include an agenda of electronic terrorism against Holocaust Revisionist
websites or electronic Holocaust Revisionism?

Here is why I ask, in my capacity as the US-based webmaster and editor
of the material posted on the Zundelsite, including "Did Six Million Really
Die?"
Immediately after the massive electronic act of terrorism in December,
I filed a formal complaint with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in 
Nanaimo,
B.C., asking that this matter be investigated as a criminal offense. I sent
this letter, which had been carefully prepared with the help of an 
attorney,
to a specific police officer, addressing him by name. I even sent this 
letter
registered. I asked for an acknowledgment and action.

Now it is almost three months later. So far, I have not yet received
an answer.
RCMP has since been contacted again - still no response.

I will now share the information since obtained with the RCMP as well,
as well as with my readership. The information is as follows:

At http://search.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?miscellany/up-yours-faq, there are
explicit instructions on how to mail bomb an opponent. Below, I quote some
excerpts from a program called "Up Yours".

It tells you where to get it and urges you to download it, as per the
following, replete with misspellings:

  Q: What is Up Yours?

  A: Up Yours is a program developed by AcidAngel of Global kOS to
mail bomb specific users on the Internet. The present version is 100%
completely anonymous and uses random headers and subject lines and
even uses random servers. it implements a HELO spoofing technique that is
next to impossible to trace.

  Q: What is a Mailbomb?

  A: A mailbomb does not blow up anyones address, Just think if you
got 10,000 e-mail messages and had to download them.. Usually this would 
take
down the server and have the sysop reprimand the user for angering people 
on
the Internet. Some servers have been downed for weeks that I know of
because of certain users.... (that means no e-mail for anyone on that 
server)

  Q: What is the advantage of using Up Yours?

  A: You are anonymous, 100%, and it cannot be traced back to you.

  Q: Okay, I'm new to the business, but whats a mailbomner(?) good
for???

  A: If you have a user that you really want to get revenge against
and have his ISP (Internet Service Provider) get very mad at him/her or you
simply want to cripple the user from recieving e-mail for an extended 
period
of time.

  Q: What does up yours now do? how do you run it? Will it jam up
someone elses computer? is it any good?

  A: It won't jam up anyone elses computer, it will however trash
their mail server and cripple them getting any mail for a long time... It 
is
the best war-mailer for Windows 95...

  Q: Do I need it? If yes, then why?

  A: Of course, if everyone else has a gun why would you want a
butterknife?

  Q: how much damage will it do?

  A: much, very much."

  (end of excerpt)

So here you have a "charitable" organization that takes donations and
hands out tax deductible receipts, pretending to champion a worthy cause
and high ideals of truth and justice - and yet has not just the audacity 
but
the terrorist mentality to advertise and to promote not only how to hurt a
dissident with whom they disagree but how to hurt a server and thousands of
this server's totally neutral, apolitical customers.

That's terrorism. There are six Nizkor mirror sites. Their websites
are promoted in schools as a "legitimate" Holocaust resource by public
agencies and officials.

Are these public officials mere dupes, inflicting on their lower ranks
their brand of political correctness while being fooled by Nizkor's
electronic warfare experts - or worse?

Is someone trying to entice and introduce school children to computer
terrorism - or worse?

The FBI was, and presumably still is, investigating the massive
disruption of Webcom's business. It has already been established that the
computers at a college in Nanaimo, B.C., the city listed as a PO Box mail 
drop
by Nizkor. played a key function in this crime of electronic terrorism. It
would be very strange indeed if this were a coincidence.

I think both parents and the public, as well as public officials, have
a right to a straight answer - not only from Nizkor about what that 
electronic
terrorism information, replete with instructions, is doing on their website
but also from educators and government officials who use, promote and 
champion
that website.
Do they condone or even deliberately encourage the learning of
computer crime via Nizkor's websites and its mirror sites to silence 
political
opponents?

I would strongly encourage my readers to contact Staff Sgt. Ken Smith
at 303 Prideaux Street, Nanaimo, B.C. Canada V9R 2N3. His phone number is
250-754-2345 and his fax is 250-753-0946. It seems that in the new Canada 
even
the police needs to be counter-lobbied, since they seem to have been either
cowed or mentally captured by too much "sensitivity training" while closing
eyes and ears to real, 20th century electronic terrorism masquerading as
protection of the "Holocaust".

I want to say in closing that the president of Webcom, Chris Schefler,
who is Jewish, has behaved towards us in an absolutely impeccable
professional manner.
We have never received anything but the finest of service from him.
Webcom has stuck to their "freedom of speech" stance even during this 
second,
more vicious, crippling and financially damaging attack, and even though 
the
owner of this server disagrees with us and has been greatly inconvenienced.
The irresponsibility that Nizkor has displayed with its listing of
instructions on how to mail-bomb an opponent does not help decent Jews with
standards.
Or, for that matter, inter-ethnic harmony. Nor does it aid the "memory of 
the
victims of the Holocaust" one bit.

Ingrid

It should be noted that, as of December 2002, the link to
http://search.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?miscellany/up-yours-faq was still
functional.
To the material on mailbombs Nizkor had added the following note:

NOTE ADDED MARCH 4, 1997: This information is here because Nizkor was
the VICTIM of a mailbomb delivered with this software. Ingrid Rimland's
assertion, today, that we are suggesting USING the software is a lie, and 
only
illustrates how desperate she is to avoid discussion.

So there, dear reader, is Mr Kenneth McVay's honest explanation. He
was providing information on how to mailbomb people not because he wanted
to supporters to mailbomb people but, rather, because someone else
mailbombed him.

Right.

6. CONCLUSION

>From the above it is quite clear that Mr McVay surrounds himself with
a web of dishonesty, half-truths and misrepresentations, most of which can 
be
easily exposed with a little good research. It is hardly surprising,
therefore, that elements of the Canadian Jewish community, together with 
the
anti-revisionists associated with the Holocaust History Project and
anti-revisionists such as Cecelia Clancey have sought to distance 
themselves
>from this man. That such a sleazy creature should be the foremost exponent 
in
Canada of the memory of the Jews who died in World War Two is an insult to
Jewish people throughout the world.

It is important to draw parallels between the McVay phenomenon in
Canada and the Searchlight phenomenon in England. The parallels are 
striking.
In both cases we have organizations dominated by one powerful personality
(Gerry Gable being Searchlight's equivalent of McVay in many respects). In
both cases the organizations claim to research the 'extreme right' and to
provide information thereon for educational and law-enforcement purposes. 
The
'research' provided by Searchlight appears to be as awful as that provided 
by
Nizkor.152 Just as Nizkor's McVay appears to have links with the security 
and
intelligence community, so it has been alleged that Searchlight's Gable has
links with the security and intelligence community.153 Both organizations 
keep
extensive dossiers on people and do not hesitate to smear and attempt to
intimidate and discredit their opponents - the similarity in their tactics 
is
quite remarkable.
And Gable has shown himself to be as dishonest as McVay. He has also
shown an equal, if not greater, contempt for the law.

Both men fight by attacking reputations. It is, in a sense, war by
libel, made possible primarily by the sheer difficulty and cost involved in
securing a successful libel judgement in British and Canadian courts. And 
it
is a powerful strategy. The idea is that by destroying the good name of 
their
victim they will prevent the general public from even beginning to listen 
to
the victim's arguments. Not only that but their victim will be forced to 
spend
considerable time and energy defending himself against the sustained 
onslaught
rather than propagating his ideas (a point that is often forgotten by 
victims
who wade boldly into battle).

However, these people are not invulnerable. The watchers can be
watched, they can be exposed, and they can be subjected to public ridicule.
After all, from this day onwards it will be difficult for anyone to listen 
to
Ken's stern allegations of 'anti-Semitism' and 'hate speech' without that
pesky image of a naked Humpty Dumpty popping up . . .

Despite the foregoing, it is my firm belief that, by concentrating on
personalities rather than ideas, the libel warriors are fighting a
losing battle in the long term. You can destroy a man's reputation but his
ideas, if they are good and well presented, will live on. And the sheer 
sleaze
associated with the libel warriors is such that serious people of goodwill
everywhere will not take them seriously once they are made aware of the 
full
facts - which has been my business in this report.

APPENDIX - NOTE ON USENET AND WEB CITATIONS

The notes below contain extensive references to material posted to the
Internet either in the form of Usenet contributions or on Web cites. This 
goes
with the territory: McVay works primarily on the Internet.

Usenet citations give the name or pseudonym of the poster together
with a message ID and a date. To retrieve the message from the material 
given
readers should preferably use the Google search engine's advanced group 
search
facility at   http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

The full message ID for the post to be retrieved should then be
entered into the box labelled 'message ID' and the 'enter' or 'return' key
pressed.

It is possible for Usenet messages to be deleted or 'nuked' by someone
using the same user name as the person who originally posted a particular
message.
However, if this appears to have happened, type the message ID into
the box labelled 'find messages with the exact phrase'. This should 
retrieve
any posts by other users quoting the original post that has been deleted.
These might well quote the deleted message in full.

Similarly, Web pages come and go. To retrieve a Web site that appears
to have been deleted or altered, use the Internet Archive Wayback Machine 
at:

http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html

This is far from perfect insofar as it fails to archive many important
pages, however it is a valuable resource despite its shortcomings.

Notes

1 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1994Nov22.141521.5889@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 22 November 1994.

2 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1993Mar03.215600.24632@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 3 March 1993.

3 See
http://web.archive.org/web/19990128083200/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.

4 ibid.

5 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec09.034917.2640@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 9 December 1992.

6 The Idler 1(15) (5 July 1999), see
http://www.geocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.html.

7 See, for example, http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon/BigBrother/ and
also
http://www.crr.ca/en/Publications/bibliography/ePub_BiblioAntiRacPracPart1
htm.

8 See, for example,
http://www.media-awareness.ca/eng/speakers/names/mcvayk.htm.

9 This is at http://www.nizkor.org/awards.html.

10 See http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.

11 See http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/gbu.html.

12 See
http://web.archive.org/web/20010404030356/www2.ca.nizkor.org/~kmcvay/
and/or http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.

13 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <172@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 3
February 1991.

14 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1991Nov07.175957.23886@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>. Date: 7 November 1991.

15 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<846975973$6503@atype.com>#1/1. Date 2
November 1996.

16 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1991Nov07.175957.23886@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: 7 November 1991.

17 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<846975973$6503@atype.com>#1/1. Date 2
November 1996.

18 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Apr05.182233.22347@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca> Date: 5 April 1992.

19 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<846975973$6503@atype.com>#1/1>. Date 2
November 1996.

20 The Idler, 1(15) 5 July 1999,
http://www.geocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.html, and
http://web.archive.org/web/19990128083200/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.

21 Usenet post by Ken McVay, Message ID:
<1992Apr28.062034.15391@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>, date: 28 April 1992
states: 'I was married to a teacher for 25 years, and fought with her
constantly about the problems I observed from that vantage point.' Usenet 
post
by Kenneth McVay,
Message-ID: <1993May16.143017.20024@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, date: 16 May
1993, also mentions his divorce.

22 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Feb29.023312.5270@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>. Date: 29 February 1992.

23 See
http://web.archive.org/web/20010516030208/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/,
http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/. See also Usenet post by Ken McVay,
Message-ID:
<1992Oct28.210925.2269@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>, date 28 October 1992.

24 Usenet post by Lisa Graham. Message ID:
.
Date: 1 April 1993.

25 Usenet post by Lisa Lambeth (formerly Graham). Message-ID:
<33A5D7E7.4AA0@nanaimo.ark.com>#1/1>. Date: 16 June 1997.

26 Usenet post by Lisa Graham. Message ID:

Date: 16 April 1993.

27 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <436@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 7
March 1991.

28 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
. Date:
9 June 1991.

29 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <172@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 3
February 1991.

30 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <165@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 31
January 1991.

31 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec03.183955.1560@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 3 December 1992.

32 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<846975973$6503@atype.com>#1/1>. Date:
2 November 1996.

33 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <165@oneb.UUCP>. Date: 31
January 1991.

34 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<4quf4a$6f4@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>#1/1>>. Date: 27 June 1996.

35 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<846975973$6503@atype.com>#1/1>. Date:
2 November 1996.

36 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec03.183955.1560@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Date: 3 December 1992.

37 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec03.183955.1560@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Date 3 December 1992.

38 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Oct28.210925.2269@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Date: 28 October 1992.

39 See http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.

40
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/press/polish-american-
journal-
0195.html.

41 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Sep08.193923.2921@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date 2 September 1992.

42 This is all listed at
http://web.archive.org/web/19990128083200/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.

43 See
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/mcvay-ken/press/canadian-business-
96.html.

44 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Oct26.172935.25786@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 26 October 1992.

45 See http://www.compcocity.com/EJL/april/MCVAY.htm.

46 See http://www.island.net/~kmcvay/schedule.html.

47 See http://safelist.kiosk.ws/members/aboutus.cgi?kaybe74,
http://www.wwkiosk.com/about_wwkiosk.html.

48 See
http://webpositiongold.kenmcvay.com/partner-webpositiongold.htm.

49 See
http://www.pro-list.net/members/marketadvisor/testimonials.html.

50 See
http://www.brobeck.com/publications/pr_individual.asp?newsItem=archPR3.

51 See http://www.tripleyourmoney.com/42469KE.

52 See http://www.smart-list.com/members/wired2cash/newuser.shtml.

53 See http://www.myebizpage.com/?id=wired2cash.

54 See
http://web.archive.org/web/20010404030356/www2.ca.nizkor.org/~kmcvay/.

55 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Oct26.172935.25786@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 26 October 1992.

56 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <. Date: 31
January 1991.

57 The Idler, 1(15) 5 July 1999,
http://www.geocities.com/dcjarviks/Idler/vIn15.html.

58 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<6na02u$n25$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>.
Date: 30 June 1998.

59 See http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.

60 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Dec17.192105.13558@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 17 December 1992.

61 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1993May06.200054.1555@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date 6 May 1993.

62 See 'Bouqets and brickbats', Montreal Gazette, 15 October 1994.
See also
'Holocaust defender', The Globe & Mail, 18 October 1994. See further
'Internet warrior takes on Holocaust revisionists', The Sacramento Bee, 16
December 1994.

63 Canadian Business, 69 (5) (special technology issue), Spring 1996.

64 See
http://web.archive.org/web/19990904031105/http://www.media-
awareness.ca/eng/speakers/names/mcvayk.htm.

65 See
http://web.archive.org/web/20011121152952/http://www.media-
awareness.ca/eng/speakers/names/mcvayk.htm.

66 See http://www.island.net/~kmcvay/schedule.html.

67 See
http://web.archive.org/web/19990128083200/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/#TRIV
IA.

68 See http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/toronto.star.22mar99.html.

69 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <436@oneb.UUCP> Date: 7 March
1991.

70 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<846975973$6503@atype.com>#1/1>. Date:
2 November 1996.

71 Usenet post by person using the name 'Thomas Schwann'. Message ID:
<3590664e.10901733@news.mindspring.com>. Date: 24 June 1998.

72 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<6na02u$n25$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> 30
June 1998.

73 Maclean's Magazine 17 October 1994, p. 6.

74 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message-ID:
<1993May27.032205.14414@oneb.almanac.bc.ca> Date: 27 May 1993.

75 'Holocaust defender', The Globe & Mail, 18 October 1994.

76 See http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/bootboy.html.

77 Canadian Business 69(5) (special technology issue), Spring 1996:
12.

78 See http://www.compcocity.com/ejl/april/mcvay.htm.

79 Usenet post by Jamie McCarthy. Message ID:
#1/1.
Date: 3 December 1996.

80 See
http://web.archive.org/web/19970721011509/www.nizkor.org/funding.html.

81 See http://www.cjnews.com/pastissues/99/oct21-99/front3.htm.

82 See
http://web.archive.org/web/20000831185852/http://www.vex.net/~kmcvay/.

83 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <2686f4a0-2.6alt.sex-1@oneb>.
Date: 26 June 1990.

84 See http://www.safe4kids.org/law/code1.htm.

85 See, for example, Usenet post by Ken McVay, Message ID:
<10@oneb.UUCP>, date:
24 April 1990, in which our noble anti-Nazi hero holds forth on rape
and pillage.

86 See http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html.

87 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <7b54ua$282n$1@hub.org>.
Date: 26 February 1999.

88 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <8a8etv$cm0$1@news.tht.net>.
Date: 9 March 2000.

89 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
.
Date: 6 November 2002.

90 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1993Apr16.064331.11375@oneb.almanac.bc.ca>. Date: 16 April 1993.

91 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1991Nov07.175957.23886@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>. Date: 7 November 1991.

92 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<1992Apr17.064050.27181@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca>. Date: 17 April 1992.

93 See http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/5338/.

94 See http://www.pitt.edu/~cacst9/KKK/.

95 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<16744@blue.cis.pitt.edu>. Date: 9 March 1994.

96 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<17993@blue.cis.pitt.edu>. Date: 23 March 1994.

97 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<18702@blue.cis.pitt.edu>. Date: 30 March 1994.

98 Usenet post by Ken McVay.Message ID:
<6jq7io$a75$1@news.trends.ca>#1/1 >.
Date: 18 May 1998.

99 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<6ka5dp$lsj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>. Date: 24 May 1998.

100 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<6k9r6t$7tg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>#1/1. Date: 24 May 1998.

101 Usenet post by John Morris. Message ID:
<365f8857.43135583@news.srv.ualberta.ca>#1/1>. Date 8 November 1998.

102 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<8gbmet$2jer$1@news.tht.net>#1/1>.
Date 22 May 2000.

103 Usenet post by Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger. Message ID:
<8gc648$a7b$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>#1/1 >. Date: 22 May 2000.

104 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<4qk1md$914@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca.
Date: 23 June 1996.

105 See http://www.efc.ca/pages/pr/ostrich.html. This was reposted to
Usenet by
McVay, Message ID: <4t2qun$5sv@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>#1/1 >.
Date: 23 July 1996.

106 http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/8237/kenmcvay.htm

107 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<6a0cb4$5n1$1@news.trends.ca>#1/1>>.
Date: 19 January 1998

108 See
http://web.archive.org/web/20010601153726/www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/l/lit
tman-
sol/littman-letter.html.

109 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<79rac7$2uk2$2@hub.org>#1/1>. Date: 10
February 1999.

110 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <7k1bcp$1b2b$1@hub.org>#1/1
Date 13 June 1999.

111 Usenet post by John Morris. Message ID:
. Date: 17 December 2001.

112 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<83bbpm$2jk4$1@news.tht.net>#1/1 >.
Date: 16 November 1999.

113 Usenet post by David Gorski using the pseudonym 'Orac'.
Message-ID:
 >>. Date: 16
December 1999.

114 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<83ji7n$1cdt$2@news.tht.net>#1/1.
Date: 19 December 1999.

115 Usenet post by Yale F. Edeiken..Message ID:
<385b3326@news3.enter.net>#1/1.
Date: 18 December 1999.

116 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<83ghsq$d6h$3@news.tht.net>#1/1 >.
Date: 18 December 1999.

117 Usenet post by John Morris. Message ID:
#1/1>. Date: 18 December
1999.

118 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<83i20c$2fjd$1@news.tht.net>#1/1 >.
Date: 19 December 1999.

119 See http://www.iahushua.com/BeWise/april95.html.

120 See http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/m/michael-david/.

121 Usenet post by David E Michael. Message ID:
<3cdc73ff@212.67.96.135>.
Date: 11 May 2002.

122 Usenet post, Message-ID: <35F99AAA.126E@cableinet.co.uk>.
Date: 11 September 1998.

123 See
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//b/bradbury.scott/Edeik
en-v-
Bradbury-RA.01.

124 See
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.py?people//b/bradbury.scott/Edeik
en-v-
Bradbury.C1.

125 Usenet post by David E Michael. Message ID:
<3dc7cce7@212.67.96.135>.
Date: 5 November 2002.

126 Usenet post by Steven Mock. Message ID:
. Date: 6 November
2002.

127 Usenet post by Michael Ragland. Message ID:
<35a8d44b.0211081922.46ec3abb@posting.google.com>. Date: 8 November
2002.

128 See http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html.

129 Usenet posting by anonymous poster using the pseudonym 'Waldo'.
Message ID:
<3dec39da$0$191@news.impulse.net>. Date: 2 December 2002.

130 Usenet posting by anonymous poster using the pseudonym 'Waldo'.
Message ID:
<3b075c6f$0$196@news.impulse.net>. Date: 19 May 2001.

131 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<9ec24t$26ms$1@news.tht.net>. Date:
21 May 2001.

132 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<9ec1m6$26kk$1@news.tht.net>. Date:
21 May 2001.

133 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<9cv32d$1ln2$1@news.tht.net>. Date
4 May 2001.

134 Usenet posting by John Morris. Message-ID:
. Date: 8 December 2002.

135 Usenet posting by Jamie McCarthy. Message ID:
#1/1>. Date: 3
December 1996.

136 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<5n6ib9$f3h$1@eclipse.txdirect.net>. Date: 5 June 1997.

137 Usenet posting by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<9334lf$1nlt$1@news.tht.net>
Date: 4 January 2001.

138 San Antonio Express-News, 3 August 1996.

139 See http://www.saafdn.org/pdf/Fin2000.pdf.

140 See http://www.saafdn.org/Pages/grantsframes.html.

141 Usenet posting by Ken Lewis. Message ID:
<3b73dbf4.130764008@news.abccom.bc.ca>. Date: 8 August 2001.

142 ibid.

143 Usenet post by Sara Salzman/Schwarz. Message ID:
#1/1.
Date: 27 August 1996.

144 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID:
<9vmbo7$2jpv$1@news.tht.net>.
Date: 18 December 2001.

145 Usenet post by Ken McVay. Message ID: <9d1n89$2bv1$1@news.tht.net>
5 May 2001.

146 See http://www.icomm.ca/founding-board.html.

147 See http://www.vex.net/contact.py.

148 See http://www.bnaibrith.ca/nfindex.htm.

149 See http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/edeiken-yale/.

150 See
http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/edeiken-yale/draft-00.html.

151 See
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/zgrams/zg1997/zg9703/970304.html.

152 See the excellent research on this by Al Baron, for example at
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Embassy/2634/searchliar_1.html.

153 See, for example, anarchist material on this at
http://www.spunk.org/library/antifasc/sp000525.html. See also Larry
O'Hara's
extensive document on Searchlight at
http://www.greenanarchist.org.uk/Sfb.htm.



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America, Capitalism, and Christianity  R_0928
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Date: 29 Sep 2003 03:38:45 GMT
							Tavish


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molseter, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!!
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late
nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

Reply to: Frank Arthur,
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
SINCE I LIKE TO RECEIVE LOTS OF EMAILS, FEEL FREE TO SUBSCRIBE ME TO
ALL KINDS OF MAILLISTS, ESPECIALLY FOR SEX, AND HOMOSEXUALS.


For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
Stormfront - http://www.stormfront.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library - http://www.ddc.net/ygg
American Renaissance - http://www.amren.com
Campaign for Radical Truth in History - http://www.hoffman-info.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.


Reply-To: Frank Arthur , or to
Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or KenMcVay@vex.net
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex,
homosexuals and the like.




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Even Jews are now so critical of this disgusting pervert, that
Sol Littman/Bnai Brith set up a special website critical of McVay at:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml

From: "david_michael" 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.revisionism,can.general
Subject: Re: Background info on Kenny McVay
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:01:40 +0100

THE MCVAY FILES

Compiled by Dr D. E. Michael,

CONTENTS

1. Introduction
2. Biodata
2.1 Biography
2.2 Family
2.3 Disability
2.4 Height
2.5 Tastes
2.6 Political affiliations
3. Contact details
3.3 Residential details
3.4 Office details
3.5 E-mail details
4. Financial/business details
4.1 Recent clients
4.2 Employment history
4.2.1 The official version (from Nizkor/McVay)
4.2.2 The unofficial version (from a Toronto newspaper)
4.3 Political funding
5. Negative information
5.1 Sexual sleaze
5.1.1 The Alice in Wonderland gaffe
5.1.2 The 'I fail to see harm' in child pornography gaffe
5.2 The 'anti-racist' who uses racial abuse
5.3 The man who gives advice on drug prices
5.4 The man who offered to kill his own father
5.5 The man who has a history of squabbles with other
anti-revisionists
5.5.1 Cecelia Clancey/Mueller/Plechinger
5.5.2 Sol Littman
5.5.3 Disagreement with unnamed supporters over management of Nizkor
5.5.4 Argument with Yale F. Edeiken, David 'Orac' Gorski and John
Morris
regarding use of personal information about supporters of revisionists
5.6 Incompetent and deliberately misleading research
5.6.1. NetGuide errors
5.6.2 Misleading and out-of-context quotations
5.6.3 Plain incompetence - my biography
5.7 The Nizkor funding controversy
5.7.1 Nizkor's official position re. B'nai Brith Canada
5.7.2 The allegation re. B'nai Brith Canada
5.7.3. McVay's responses to the attacks
5.7.4 The San Antonio Fund
5.7.5 Ken Lewis's response to the attacks
5.6.7 Is Nizkor really just a Web site and not an organization?
5.8 Encouragement of denial-of-service attacks on opponents
6. Conclusion

Appendix - note on Usenet and Web citations

1. INTRODUCTION

The following dossier on Mr Kenneth McVay of Nanaimo, British
Columbia, Canada,the 'director' of the Nizkor Project, has been
compiled entirely from publicdomain resources. Copious notes give
sources for particular items of information. All of the information is
correct and easily verifiable as at December 2002. It will obviously
need to be updated from time to time. In particular, Mr McVay is very
adept at removing embarrassing information from Websites rather
quickly, so use should be made of historical Internet archiving
resources such as the Internet Archive Wayback Machine
(http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html) to obtain information
that has been removed. The sources given here will need to be updated
accordingly to keep abreast of this. It will be observed that, with a
very few exceptions, most of the information results either from
Usenet posts made by Mr McVay to the Internet, or his own Web pages,
or interviews that he has given to the press.

Why prepare a lengthy dossier on Mr McVay? There are several very good
reasons.

(a) Mr McVay, as I shall demonstrate, deliberately misrepresents
Nizkor's financial and organizational affairs. It is right that this 
should be
publicized so that those who fund and do business with this gentleman
know the sort of person with whom they're becoming involved.

(b) Mr McVay's Nizkor Project purports to be an 'educational
resource'. It tries, inter alia, to sell to our schoolchildren a particular
view of revisionist historians and those who make common cause with such
historians. I am thus performing a public service in bringing to the 
notice of
the wider community some of the more controversial aspects of Mr McVay's 
life
and work, including his rather poor research, his somewhat sleazy financial
associations, the fact that he has been the subject of much criticism
>from his own side for his unorthodox methods, his controversial views
on such matters as drugs and child pornography, and his avowed
willingness to commit murder. The fact that he is a liar also deserves
note.
 If our children are to be 'taught' by men like Mr McVay, they have
every right to know such things about this 'teacher'. So do their
parents.

(c) Mr McVay specializes in collecting dirt on people and using it to
smear them. He is very adept, as will be shown below, at taking quotations
out of context, at giving only half of the story - at misleading. As 
children
and impressionable minds are the intended targets of his material it is
right that they and their guardians should know a little about the sort of
person who is providing it.

(d) I am a victim of one of Mr McVay's smear campaigns. Mr McVay has
posted many, many articles (often with identical wording) to Usenet 
accusing
me of all sorts of things of which I am quite innocent. He has even
posted some of his nonsense to local newsgroups in the areas in which
he thinks I live - this can only be intended to damage my good name
and to cause harm to my family and to me. I am not the only person who
has had to endure this sort of hate campaign from Mr McVay.

One Mr William Grosvenor of Canada found his name and address
published on McVay's Nizkor Web site. Grosvenor was firebombed.

Mr Scott Bradbury also had his address and telephone number posted on
Mr McVay's Web site and was made the victim of a ferocious campaign of
telephone harassment. The civil law offers no protection when the
perpetrator has limited financial resources and the British police,
political to the core, are worse than useless.
In compiling this dossier I am sending a message to Mr McVay that I
have not been intimidated into silence by him and that I will continue to
expose him and his dwindling band of supporters for the dishonest
people that they are.

(e) Mr McVay publishes, on his Nizkor site, lengthy dossiers on people
- including myself. Some of us feel that this is an intrusion into our
privacy - particularly as some of the information is incorrect, defamatory,
misleading and/or negative and we are given little or no opportunity to
correct it or to place it in context. It is perhaps only fair that those 
who
use this particular technique for 'discouraging' debate about World War II
history should be sent a message that the compilation of dossiers is a
game at which both sides can play.
I, at least, make a reasonable attempt to get my facts straight.

It is in this spirit of defiance that I proudly present The McVay
Files.

D. E. Michael

December 2002

2. BIODATA

2.1 Biography
Born: Santa Clara, California, USA, 2 October 1940.1
Studied: computer science.2
Married: 19613 (subsequently divorced, apparently around 1986 - see
below).
Moved: to British Columbia (with family and basset hound), 1967.4
Financial failure: He described what happened next in a Usenet post:5

Once upon a time, millions of salmon ago, I moved my family from a
Yankee city all the way up across the Canadian border and right there about
500 miles up the arsehole of the world. At the time, I was convinced I had
whatever it was it took to be a pioneer - to hack a home out of the
bush and raise my children there. (I was wrong, but that's often been
the case in my life, so I've gotten used to it :-)) I wanted to buy my
daughter a pony. All I had, mind you, to KEEP a pony, was 160 acres of
certified, mosquito-filled raw Canadian bush, but that rarely
prevented me from doing things like buying a horse for my critter, so
of course I bought her one - if anyone cares about that tail, try
getting Lisa over to rec.equestrian to chat, or ask her (politely) via
email. I so enjoyed watching Lisa with that horse that it wasn't long
before I went out and bought her another one - about the size of a
small house. When Reality finally set in, several horse stories later,
I realized that there was no way on God's earth that I could keep
those horses, and I had to explain that to my daughter.

He gave more detail of the cause of his financial failure in an
interview to The Idler:6

In Canada with his schoolteacher wife, McVay set up a dedicated server
to connect Salmon farmers, which was used to track the price of fish food
and commodities. When the price of farm-raised fish plunged from $4.00 to
$2.00 a pound, many of his customers went belly-up. But McVay still had
contracts to provide computer service.
Started anti-revisionist work: 1991.7

Began Nizkor: January 1992.8

Awards:

A list of awards supposedly received by Ken McVay's Nizkor site may be
found on that site itself.9 More notable among McVay's awards are the
Order of British Columbia 1995 and the Media Human Rights Award,
presented by B'nai Brith Canada, in March 1996.10 He received an award
>from Eye magazine for his Nizkor site in 1999.11

Citizenship:

Retains Canadian and US dual citizenship.12
Obtained Canadian citizenship in 1973, 'partially in protest over the war 
in
'Nam, and partially to express my thanks to Canada for providing me with
training, health care, and apeaceful way of life'.13

2.2 Family

Father: born 1915, died 1989 of cancer.14 Served in Army Intelligence
in the Pacific theater during WWII.15
Mother born: 1917.16 Built landing craft for Food Machinery
Corporation.17
Parental vices: Ken's mother and father were both fond of Martinis.18
Brother: served in the US Marines.19

Marriage(s)

Ken was married to a schoolteacher in 1961,20 from whom he claims he
was divorced after 25 years of marriage (thus around 1986).21
However, he makes Usenet references to a wife as late as 1992, which
suggest that he might have remarried.22

Descendants

He has four children and eight grandchildren.23
His children consist of three girls and one boy.

Daughter 1

One daughter is Lisa Lambeth (formerly Lisa Graham).
Lisa apparently divorced Mr Graham24 to marry Mr Garry Lambeth (former
e-mail address
grease@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT])and then split with Mr Lambeth.25
Lisa was the founder of a group called Parents for Enforcing Regular
Child Support (PERCS).26
Lisa appears to have been involved in some way with a musician by the
name of Dan Livingstone, and they evidently shared an e-mail address,
lisandan@home.com (now defunct). Lisa appears to be involved in
promotions work in the music industry.
She works from:Suite 46-855 Howard Avenue, Nanaimo BC, Canada V9R 5V4,
tel. 250-753-4571 apparently for Stride Productions, where she is 
associated
with one Nigel Mack.

Lisa's earlier e-mail addresses included: lisa@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca
[DEFUNCT]
Lisa's last known e-mail address was llambeth@nanaimo.ark.com.
Lisa has two daughters: Chelsea, born 1982 (old e-mail address:
chelsea@oneb2.almanac.bdc.ca {DEFUNCT]), and another girl born 1987,
both apparently by Mr Graham. Chelsea has light brown hair and is
interested in horses, running and music.

Son

McVay has a son who served in the American Marines in the Gulf during
Operation Desert Storm in 1991.27 Specifically, he served in Marine
2nd. LAI Btn28 near Khafji, Saudi Arabia.29

Prior to serving in the Marines, McVay's son had difficulty finding a
job, being rejected by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.30

After returning from the Gulf he worked for a short period in Portland
before returning to Canada,31 and in 1996 was serving in the US Army.32

In 1991 McVay's son had a Canadian wife and a daughter.33

In June 1996, McVay was to claim that his son was suffering from Gulf
War Syndrome.34, although evidently this was not so severe as to prevent
him remaining in the employ of the US Army as at November of the same
year.35

Daughter 2

One of the other daughters was teaching in Portland in 1992.36

Daughter 3

The third daughter was living in Canada in 1992.37

It appears that some of McVay's children other than Lisa have also
been divorced.38

2.3 Disability

Ken now has permanent hearing loss and wears hearing aids.39 He is not
in good health, suffering from tendonitis and carpal tunnel syndrome.40

2.4 Height

6'3"41

2.5 Tastes42

Beer: Newcastle Brown Ale, Waterloo Dark, Ruddles County Ale

Cognac: Remy Martin Grand Champagne, Martel Cordon Bleu

Comedian: John Cleese

Comedy group: Monty Python's Flying Circus

Delis: Montreal: Schwartz's (likes their smoked meat platter).
Toronto: Wolfie's, 670 Sheppard Avenue W. (likes the corned beef sandwich).

Dog: Bassett hound

Pizza joints: Pasta la Vista, Winnipeg, Manitoba La Cantina, Hamilton,
Ontario

Politician: Pierre Elliot Trudeau

Scifi: book Endor's Game (Orson Scott Card)

Sports cars: MGTD & BGT, Austin-Healy Sprite, Lotus 7 Mk IV

Stout: Guinness, daft preferred; Murphy's will do in a pinch

Wine (red): Australian Shiraz and Merlots, The Wolf Blass label, from
Bilyara Cellars

Wine (white) bletch

Music: blues, 'new country' music, Beethoven's Ninth Symphony

Motor sport.

2.6 Political affiliations

In 1996 Mr McVay claimed to be apolitical, stating that he had not
voted since 1973.43
Nevertheless, he continues to claim Pierre Trudeau as his
favourite politician. He has also expressed admiration for America's
Ross Perot44

3 CONTACT DETAILS

3.1 Residential details:

995 Bowen Road, Apt. 3108, Nanaimo, British Columbia V9R 2A4, Canada.
Same telephone number as office (see below). (Correct at December 2002.)

(Note that on 8 May 1996 Edmonton Jewish Life (EJL) gave his home
address as 1 North Morgan Cres., Port Alberni BC V9Y 6C1.45 As at December
2002, there was, in fact, no number 1 on this particular street.)

3.2 Office details:

462-1150, North Terminal Avenue, Nanaimo BC, Canada V9S 5T8,
tel.(250) 616 9431.

Also used the following toll-free number as of October 2002:
877-505-7761

The postal address he uses for this is:

PO Box 244, Station A, Nanaimo BC, Canada, V9R 5K9

His former office address (i.e. that of his consultancy company in the
early 1990s, for example on 10 January 1990) was 1B Systems Management Ltd,
4B - 2520 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, BC V9T.
It also operated from 5-1601 Bowen Road Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 
CA,
tel. (604) 758-2499.

3.3 E-mail details

He has used various e-mail addresses including, inter alia:
kmcvay@brobeck.com [DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@oneb [DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.ca [DEFUNCT]
periodic@oneb.almanac.bc.ca {DEFUNCT]
kmcvay@island.net [DEFUNCT]
nizkor@derechos.org
kenmcvay@kenmcvay.com
kmcvay@nizkor.org
sales@toccatas.com
wpgold@kenmcvay.com
support@webposition.com
kmcvay@vex.net

He has someone called Dawn handling his bookings for him.46 Whether
this is his partner, secretary or a volunteer is not clear. Her e-mail
address is:
dawn@nizkor.org 

4. FINANCIAL/BUSINESS DETAILS

Kenneth McVay is not, in fact, a full-time employee of Nizkor. Instead
he works as a freelance Internet marketing consultant. He calls
himself Ken McVay Consulting Group and is registered as self-employed.

4.1 Recent clients

These include:

1. Kiosk.ws 47 (telephone 1-819-682-3744). This is owned by Telco
Advertising, 38 Belmont Drive, Aylmer, Quebec, Canada J9H 2M7 and
run by Frank Therien, Joel Therien, Jo-Ann Higgs, Olivier Bedard, Billy 
Neil
and Ilona Innus.
2. First Place Software,48 2452 North Malang Road, Joplin, MO 64801,
USA
(Telephone 1-417-781-3282)
3. Pro-List49 owned by OpportunitySeekers, PO, Box 1294, Bloomfield,
New Jersey 07003, USA. The people behind this are Jim Vigilante and
Robert Stemmer.
Telephone: (908) 313-4735.
4. Brobeck, Phleger & Harrison attorneys (multiple addresses - big
international law firm).50
5. Triple Your Money.51 This is owned by GlobalOne, PO Box 1126,
Russellville AR 72811, USA. Phone: (479) 967-6335 Fax: (479) 967-7362
6. He also sells an online Internet marketing journal, Wired2Cash,
available
>from http://kenmcvay.com/.52 This appears to be associated with an
organization called NOAN Inc,53 34 Dale Park Drive, Courtice ON L1E
2Z4, Canada. (01- 905-433-2427)

4.2 Employment history

4.2.1 The official version (from Nizkor/McVay)

Marines: Ken purports to have been in the US marines.54 He claims to
have left the marines in or around 1963.55
He gives his reasons for leaving thus:56

I moved to Canada in 1967. I have an honorable discharge from the
Corps, (1963), but was active in the anti-war movement, and decided
that moving to Canada was preferable to continuing the painful process
of watching the United States tear itself apart over 'Nam.

The cynic might thus be forgiven for concluding that he appears to
have fled to avoid military action.

Provision of computer facilities: On arrival in Canada he provided
computer facilities for salmon farmers and others. This was unsuccessful.57

During the early 1990s he ran a computer consulting firm called 1B
Systems Management Limited,58

operating from 5-1601 Bowen Road Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 CA
(604)758-2499 and 4B - 2520 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, BC V9T.

Menial jobs after computer business failed:

While in British Columbia he had numerous menial jobs including seven
years doing construction and maintenance work in sawmills.59

In June 1992 he claimed to be living on less than $13,000 per year. 60

In May 1993 he claimed that he'd been laid off from a software support
job in May 1992.61

In 1994 he was working in a combined convenience store/gas station in
British Columbia.62

Nizkor and speaking By spring 1996 he had given up this job to work
full time on the Nizkor project.63

By 1996 he was earning a small sum of money (which he variously claims
was $1,200 per month and $1,500 per month) from speaking engagements
(see funding below).

In 1999 he was charging $750 per day (negotiable) for his speaking
services.64
This asking fee remained the same in 2001.65

His schedule66 indicates that he had a fairly busy speaking schedule
in 1999 (the very year when he purported to be in such dire financial
difficulties that he was contemplating selling Nizkor - see below).
His schedule became markedly less busy in 2000, disappeared
altogether in 2001, but showed signs of renewed life late in 2002.

Internet marketing consultancy

By 1999 he was earning his living as an Internet marketing
consultant,67 his home page claiming that 'he earns his living as a
consultant, and travels extensively. His client list includes Justice 
Canada
and the Ontario Ministry of the Attorney General.' Again, this was at the 
time
when he was announcing to all and sundry that Nizkor was in such dire 
straits
financially that it was about to close!

4.2.2 The unofficial version (from a Toronto newspaper)

Much of the above might be fronting something slightly more serious.
It is possible that Mr McVay might have police connections and might in 
fact
be working under cover in some way with the 'intelligence community'. The
cat was apparently let out of the bag by an article in the Toronto Star, 
dated
22 March 1999, which stated that Ken McVay was 'a member of the
Vancouver police department for 19 years'.68

Could this be the wrong Ken McVay? Not if one considers that Vancouver
is just a few miles from Nanaimo, and certainly not if one considers
the text of the article:

Speaker Ken McVay, a member of the Vancouver police department for 19
years, said advocacy groups are also guilty of apathy in response to
cyber-hate.'

In 1995, McVay came across an Edmonton man's Web site that targeted
homosexuals.
After contacting a Toronto advocacy group in July, 1997, and a gay
advocacy group in the fall of 1997, McVay said he's still waiting for a
response.

Silence welcomes hate crimes, he said.

"Unfortunately, hate is a marginalized issue", said McVay, stressing
that a collective powerful voice of millions opposing Internet hate is
absent.

It should also be noted that McVay appears to have, or to have had, in
1991, high-level connections with the American army.69

His father worked for US intelligence, thus McVay has well-established
links to the American intelligence network.70

'Thomas Schwann' has posted the following on McVay's alleged
connection with the 'intelligence community':71

I took the liberty to look into the matter about a year earlier.
=====
The following was deleted from nic.ddn.mil some time between
17 July 1996 and 19 August 1996. However, as of 19 August 1996
the email address still worked. It was originally captured on 17 July
1996. It disppeared just prior to a 256 copy mailbomb from gryn.org
saying that it was false information. The owner of gryn.org, Alec
Grynspan, openly bragged about having been involved with the
Mossad, i.e. Israeli intelligence.
===
McVay, Ken (KM214)
1B Systems Management Limited
5-1601 Bowen Road
Nanaimo, British Columbia V9S 1G7 CAN
(604) 758-2499
=====
and the finger function was disabled after the mailbomb. But note
the difference between the company name, 1B, and the internet name
oneb as a number can not lead in an internet address.
Some time later I tried it again and finder was working again
and I got this information. The file date for the file on my disk is
12 April 1997.
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name server whois.nic.ddn.mil [note on the military nameserver]
results of

finger @oneb.almanac.bc.ca
Login Name TTY Idle When Where
emcc Ed McCrudden pts/11 Sat 16:21
ppp-130.isdn-3.ican.
rasmus Rasmus Lerdorf pts/1 24 Sat 16:49 jetpen.com
jim Jim Mercer pts/10 2:19 Sat 12:45
gecko.reptiles.org
dacole Dave Cole pts/5 1:30 Mon 17:10
graymatter:S.0
erichall Eric Hall *pts/6 1:39 Sat 07:37
cyber3.servtech.com
andrew Andrew Herdman pts/7 1:04 Fri 15:42
ghoul.uunet.ca
leslie Leslie pts/9 Sat 15:01
indy4.indy.net
pjp Peter Philipp *pts/15 14 Sat 15:51
dialin519:S.0
dacole Dave Cole pts/18 20: Fri 15:44
graymatter.net
dacole Dave Cole pts/17 1:47 Sat 02:43
graymatter:S.1
sjohns Stephen Johns pts/21 9:08 Tue 16:00
trt-on22-12:S.1
plaid Alex pts/3 7 Thu 14:43
spc-isp-tor-uas-1-30
pjp Peter Philipp *pts/24 14 Sat 17:03
dialin519:S.2
sjohns Stephen Johns pts/2 37 Sun 21:43
trt-on22-12:S.0
plaid Alex pts/25 19 Sat 14:42
spc-isp-tor-uas-1-30
mot Samantha Lerner pts/30 48 Sat 16:27 fozzy:S.2
mot Samantha Lerner *pts/20 53 Sat 13:05 fozzy:S.1
darcy D'Arcy J. M. Cain pts/23 4 Sat 15:30 druid.com
mot Samantha Lerner pts/19 51 Sat 13:04 fozzy:S.0
mot Samantha Lerner pts/31 1 Sat 14:47 fozzy:S.3
darcy D'Arcy J. M. Cain pts/34 Sat 15:36 druid.com
pjp Peter Philipp *pts/37 Sat 16:05
dialin519:S.1
mattp Matt Pounsett *pts/28 17: Wed 11:02
conundrum.com
plaid Alex pts/12 19 Sat 16:39
spc-isp-tor-uas-1-30
address book kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca

Login Name TTY Idle When Where
kmcvay Kenneth McVay OBC pts/12 <Mar 31 07:53>

[Note: There have been claims this is a different Ken McVay but a
search of the British Columbia website regarding the OBC, only one Ken
McVay is listed as having been made that award.]

[Note: When it was announced in alt.revisionism that finger was
operating again, it was shut off again within 24 hours. That puts a
direct connection between alt.revisionism and 1B Systems which was
nice of them to demonstrate in real time.]

Dejanews profile

AUTHOR PROFILE: kmcvay@oneb.wimsey.bc.CA

There are currently no articles in our database for this person.

[Note: While the server changes names from wimsey to alamanac, it is
still from 1B (oneb) Systems.

This may be due to one of the following reasons:

It's possible that their messages were cancelled;
This person has never posted to Usenet from this account;
This email address/account name is invalid.

=====

In preparing the message I tried it again. I get the response
that it is a valid record but no information on it.

Dejanews has author profiles
p;gt;Archive/File: holocaust/poland Ostrow.05
&gt;Last-modified: 1993/03/27
&gt;Transcription: <A

HREF="http://xp9.dejanews.com/profile.xp?
author=kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca">kmcvay@<
B>oneb</B>.almanac.bc.ca</A>

Note the last line, exclusive of html is
kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca

[Note: nizkor was originally hosted on almanac.bc.ca]

And finally, someplace out there are the archives of Eye
Magazine, an interview of both McVay and McCarthy and it give McVay
email address as oneb systems.

We have McVay working for a US contractor with access being
hosted on MILNET. This is the original network encompassing DOD, CIA,
NSA and other defense related organizations and activities and their
contractors. Is 1B Systems a legitimate defense contractor? What is a
US defense contractor doing in Canada? What does 1B Management Systems
do for a living? Good luck in finding out as they are not listing on
any open source of DOD contractors.

If not a listed contractor then not DOD making it a black
operation. And if a black operation that leaves us with two
possibilities, CIA and NSA, or are there blacker than black
organizations? So for purposes of discussion CIA is a good as anything
to refer to as the contracting agency.

We have Nizkor originally hosted on a 1B Systems server. Now that
is either a criminal misappropriation of contract funds or
specifically provided for by the contract. There is nothing in between
in that regard. Perhaps it was criminal but as see that as late as
April 1997, McVay is still an employee of 1B Systems.
You will also note a curious lack of mention of such employment
on the various resumes McVay has fronted. At one people he covered his
early years at 1B Systems by claiming to have been a welfare cheat at
the time. Of what purpose a cover story?

What interests the CIA in this matter? Some matter of national
security. What possible national security interest is there for the US
in matters holocaustian? rather dealing with people questioning the
foundations of it?

Is it to cover up the facts of the IMT and US participation in
it? If the US government demonstrably did the IMT and since it has
continued preserving such nonsense for generations, then there are
conclusions to be drawn regarding the US government.

And if the government should become aware of all of the foreign
policy that has followed from it and that continuation becomes
untenable.

It is not so much the initial lie but compounding lie upon lie
regarding it. Fifty years of compouded lie upon lie, false policy upon
false policy.

So yes, the US government has a major interest in the continuation of
these stories without question as much as Israel is not more so.

Ken McVay eventually explicitly denied any connection with the
intelligence community (confusingly referring to himself in the third
person initially):72

Mr. McVay has not had a connection with anyone's intelligence
community, although CSIS employees have come to at least one of my
presentations... I forget to ask them for a cheque, though... guess if I'm
working for all these spooks, least they could do is pay me, eh? Never 
have.
Funny, that, me a professional covert spook and all...

This denial, however, fails to account for the Toronto Star article
that clearly links McVay with the police, an account of his background
that is totally at odds with the account given in his interviews and
on his Web sites.

4.3 Political funding

September 1994 his Fascism and Holocaust Archives received funds from
Vancouver-based Committee for Racial Justice.73

But money remains tight, and his aging equipment is consistently on
the verge of collapse."The whole system is in jeopardy--everything is
at risk on a minute-to- minute basis," he says. Last week, however, a
group of Vancouver-based admirers persuaded a local charity, the
Committee for Racial Justice, to raise money for McVay's Fascism and
Holocaust Archives--and his one-man crusade may now become a full-time
job.

(It should be noted that McVay's pleas of poverty need to be seen in
the context of the fact that a few months earlier he'd announced that
he was in the market for a new car - a 'Camaro Z28 or TransAm GTA')74

Prior to October 1994 Professor Norman Swartz, Simon Fraser
University,organized a fund for him with the aid of the United Church.75

Despite continued claims of poverty, Mr McVay nevertheless felt
himself in a position to threaten, on 8 November 1995, to sue the
administrators of IADFW.NET for libel regarding material posted on their
system to which he had taken offence.76
As lawsuits for libel require some capital it appears that McVay was
either being less than frank about his true financial status when
pleading poverty or was being utterly dishonest in his threats to sue.

In 'spring' 1996, Canadian Business reported that 'McVay now devotes
all of his time to Nizkor. He earns $1,200 a month from speaking
engagements and through public support, including that of local Jewish
groups. His ancient computer was recently upgraded, thanks to a
donation from a Christian businessman.'77
Thus McVay, who was threatening expensive litigation, was putting it
about that he was on $1,200 per month and couldn't even afford to
replace his computer without the assistance of a benefactor!

However, on 8 May 1996, Edmonton Jewish Life gave a slightly different
story:
'He lives on a modest monthly income of $1500, from a trust fund set
up by some wealthy people who've been very generous and mostly plain
folk . . .'78

In 1996 his Canadian funds were being collected by The Zikaron
Tolerance and Remembrance Society 6540 East Hastings Street, Suite 221
Burnaby, BC V5B 4Z5 and Congregation Emmanu-El / Nizkor Project
1461 Blanshard St. Victoria, BC V8W 2J3.
>From September, his American funds were collected by the San Antonio
Area Foundation Nizkor Fund P.O. Box 120366 San Antonio, TX 78212-9566.79

In 1997 his Canadian Nizkor funds were being collected by the League
for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada.80

On 21 October 1999 the following article appeared in Canadian Jewish
News:81

Anti-Holocaust denial Web site's future uncertain
By FRANCES KRAFT
Staff Reporter

TORONTO - An extensive educational Web site that has played a
significant role in debunking Holocaust denial faces a tenuous future,
unless further funding is secured.
Ken McVay, founder and director of the Nizkor Project
(www.nizkor.org), said last week he has sufficient funding to last only
until January.
"Even though there has been some very strong support from a few very
generous people, it hasn't been enough," McVay, 59, said in a phone
interview from his home on Vancouver Island, B.C.
He is in the process of determining the site's commercial value,
although he said it is not currently for sale and he does not foresee
shutting it down.
McVay has listed the site on www.GreatDomains.com with an "asking
price" of $500,000, based on the size of Nizkor and the amount of traffic
it attracts.
The site receives about 9,000 hits a day, said McVay. It has grown
>from 27 pages in 1995 to almost 5,000 pages, including the entire
transcript of the trial of Adolf Eichmann, he added.
McVay is proud to have those transcripts, the product of 18 months of
negotiation. "I know that the Holocaust deniers, who absolutely revile
this site and me, refuse to talk about the Eichmann trial. They can't
lie about it now."
The job is never-ending, said McVay. Among his current projects, he is
working on making documentation from the Nuremburg trials available.
Although McVay says the years of devoting himself to Nizkor have left
him weary, his tone of voice - and the fact he recently spent four
consecutive 20-hour days on the project - belie his claim. "Of course
I care," he asserted. "I never stop caring. I don't know what I'd do
without [Nizkor]. It's my life."

McVay believes that only a "small and very dedicated group of people"
does care.
He guesses that of the estimated 100 to 300 million Internet users in
the world, only about 100 are actively involved in fighting racism on the
Net.
Nizkor began when McVay, a non-Jew with a long-standing interest in
World War II, encountered Holocaust denial on the Internet in the early
1990s.
He was angered by the bigotry he perceived.
"I'm still angry," he said. "It makes me angry that there are very few
people in the world who give a damn about this."
A native of Santa Clara, Calif., McVay grew up in a middle-class
neighborhood where, to the best of his knowledge, racism didn't exist.
In high school, about half his friends were not white. "We never thought
about it," he said. "Maybe I was just naive."
Although McVay had read extensively about World War II, he knew little
about the Holocaust per se. "I had just enough background to know that
[Holocaust denial] was crap, but I didn't have a clue why it was
crap."
McVay made it his business - his obsession, actually - to learn the
truth, and show it to the rest of the world.
"That's the beauty of the Internet," he said. "Most people exposed to
the venom of Holocaust deniers do not have the time or resources to
check the so-called facts they provide." The Net, he noted, has given
him access to prosecutors, historians and community leaders who have
provided Nizkor with testimony and answers.
Over the years, McVay has developed a worldwide network of dozens
of volunteers to help him access, translate and post material.

The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada administers the
Nizkor Fund, through which donations to support the Web site can be
channeled.

However, the pleas of poverty appear to have worked again because the
Nizkor site did not collapse; indeed, it continued and the following year 
Ken
announced: 'Current statistics suggest that the sites will deliver
over ten million pages of tex