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In 2004 Dell was offered $92 MILLION to locate a small call center by the
mayor and EDE in Edmonton Canada , without the consent or approval of
taxpayers!

Now 1200 to 1500 local workers are being laid off in total, with the taxpayers
on the hook for the $92 MILLION, as reported in a banner headline story in the
Edmonton Journal at the time.


This is what happens when errant politicians BRIBE business owners to locate
in their miserable burg.

Notice that mayor Mandel claims he did not know of the massive layoffs, while
employees knew last summer, when they were being sent to the Philippines, to
train people their , to take over their jobs!!


On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:47:25 -0800 (PST), yendoR  wrote:

>Computer seller Dell to close Edmonton call centre; 900 to lose jobs

>EDMONTON - Computer retailer Dell (NASDAQ:DELL) is closing a call
>centre in Edmonton this spring less than four years after it opened, a
>move that will cost 900 employees their jobs.

>The Texas-based company, which is the world's No. 2 personal computer
>maker, said Thursday the Edmonton closing is part of a global plan to
>increase its efficiency and performance.

>"This has been a difficult decision. We have a good team of people and
>will do all we can to help them and our community partners through
>this transition," Dave Vanden Bosch, Dell's Edmonton site leader, said
>in a statement.

>Edmonton landed the call centre after offering Dell a $6-million
>incentive package, including a dollar-per-year lease on city land and
>a five-year property tax break.

>Employees were told of the closure Thursday morning. Some will lose
>their jobs immediately and others will be let go in the coming weeks
>and months.

>The call centre is to close permanently sometime between May and the
>end of July, Dell spokesman Blair Patacairk said.

>"These people have really contributed to Dell, and it is not a
>reflection on the people who work here or their talents. They are
>absolutely outstanding. It is a very difficult decision for us to
>make," he said.

>Reports suggested Dell was paying staff at the call centre salaries
>that ranged from $28,000 to more than $45,000 per year.

>Dell officials would not comment on what will happen to the building
>or its lease.

>"In terms of what will happen to the building and the land, we are
>exploring a number of options," he said.

>Edmonton Mayor Stephen Mandel said he is disappointed by the closure
>but appreciates that Dell is facing financial challenges and had
>difficulty retaining staff because of Alberta's hot economy. He said
>the high Canadian dollar was probably a factor as well.

>Mandel said the city didn't give the company any cash up front, but
>isn't sure if it will recoup any forgone property taxes. The city
>retains ownership of the land the building is on.

>"We knew it was coming, but we didn't think it would be to the degree
>it is. But it is sad when it happens," Mandel said.

>"A positive economy has negatives too. Dell did come here on a hope
>that they would stay here long term. That didn't happen."

>The closure is one of the biggest job cuts in Alberta in recent years
>and a sign that things may be starting to slow down a bit in the
>energy-rich province.

>An official at the Northern Alberta Institute of Technology in
>Edmonton, which trained about 600 Dell employees, said rumours of the
>closure have been circulating for months.

>NAIT stopped offering training for Dell employees in September, said
>Terry Drabiuk, NAIT's director of corporate and international
>training.

>"We haven't been doing any training for them since before Christmas,
>and we knew that they were ramping down," Drabiuk said, who added the
>closure will not affect the school or its staff.

>"We knew this was coming. There were hints of it coming for a while."

>The closure comes on the heels of cuts at Dell's Ottawa call centre,
>which is cancelling plans for a 1,200-employee expansion and reducing
>its current workforce of 1,500 by an unspecified number.

>The two Canadian call centres were built and expanded in recent years
>as part of a global push to improve Dell's customer relations
>following a series of problems with some of its products as well as
>slowing market growth, declining profit margins and intense
>competition.

>Employees affected by the closure were being offered severance and
>career placement services, Patacairk said. Dell said it plans to move
>work that was done at the call centre to other facilities.

>Last May, the company said it would slash as many as 8,800 workers
>over 12 months but said no cuts would be made in Ottawa. Since then,
>the rapid rise of the Canadian dollar has hurt its operations.

>The company refused to say exactly how many of the approximately 1,500
>Dell Canada employees in Ottawa, who provide technical support for
>Dell customers in Canada and the United States, will lose their jobs.

>But a spokesman said the number is in line with the company's overall
>aim of cutting its workforce by 10 per cent, suggesting about 150 jobs
>were being lost.

>Dell Canada, headquartered in Toronto, also has offices in Montreal.

>The company, which has been pushing its computers into more retail
>stores after building its business originally as a direct-marketing
>company, also announced Wednesday it will close its 140 shopping mall
>kiosks in the United States.

>Dell now sells computers and other devices in more than 10,000 stores
>around the world, including Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Best Buy Co. It
>opened the kiosks in 2002 to boost sales of notebook computers.

>Dell's U.S. consumer revenue declined 26 per cent for the six months
>ended Aug. 3, compared with the same period in 2006.



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In 2004 Dell was offered $92 MILLION to locate a small call center by the
mayor and EDE in Edmonton Canada , without the consent or approval of
taxpayers!

Now 1200 to 1500 local workers are being laid off in total, with the taxpayers
on the hook for the $92 MILLION, as reported in a banner headline story in 
the Edmonton Journal at the time.


This is what happens when errant politicians BRIBE business owners to locate
in their miserable burg.

Notice that mayor Mandel claims he did not know of the massive layoffs, while
employees knew last summer, when they were being sent to the Philippines, to
train people their , to take over their jobs!!


On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:47:25 -0800 (PST), yendoR  wrote:

>Computer seller Dell to close Edmonton call centre; 900 to lose jobs

>EDMONTON - Computer retailer Dell (NASDAQ:DELL) is closing a call
>centre in Edmonton this spring less than four years after it opened, a
>move that will cost 900 employees their jobs.

>The Texas-based company, which is the world's No. 2 personal computer
>maker, said Thursday the Edmonton closing is part of a global plan to
>increase its efficiency and performance.

>"This has been a difficult decision. We have a good team of people and
>will do all we can to help them and our community partners through
>this transition," Dave Vanden Bosch, Dell's Edmonton site leader, said
>in a statement.

>Edmonton landed the call centre after offering Dell a $6-million
>incentive package, including a dollar-per-year lease on city land and
>a five-year property tax break.

>Employees were told of the closure Thursday morning. Some will lose
>their jobs immediately and others will be let go in the coming weeks
>and months.

>The call centre is to close permanently sometime between May and the
>end of July, Dell spokesman Blair Patacairk said.

>"These people have really contributed to Dell, and it is not a
>reflection on the people who work here or their talents. They are
>absolutely outstanding. It is a very difficult decision for us to
>make," he said.

>Reports suggested Dell was paying staff at the call centre salaries
>that ranged from $28,000 to more than $45,000 per year.

>Dell officials would not comment on what will happen to the building
>or its lease.

>"In terms of what will happen to the building and the land, we are
>exploring a number of options," he said.

>Edmonton Mayor Stephen Mandel said he is disappointed by the closure
>but appreciates that Dell is facing financial challenges and had
>difficulty retaining staff because of Alberta's hot economy. He said
>the high Canadian dollar was probably a factor as well.

>Mandel said the city didn't give the company any cash up front, but
>isn't sure if it will recoup any forgone property taxes. The city
>retains ownership of the land the building is on.

>"We knew it was coming, but we didn't think it would be to the degree
>it is. But it is sad when it happens," Mandel said.

>"A positive economy has negatives too. Dell did come here on a hope
>that they would stay here long term. That didn't happen."

>The closure is one of the biggest job cuts in Alberta in recent years
>and a sign that things may be starting to slow down a bit in the
>energy-rich province.

>An official at the Northern Alberta Institute of Technology in
>Edmonton, which trained about 600 Dell employees, said rumours of the
>closure have been circulating for months.

>NAIT stopped offering training for Dell employees in September, said
>Terry Drabiuk, NAIT's director of corporate and international
>training.

>"We haven't been doing any training for them since before Christmas,
>and we knew that they were ramping down," Drabiuk said, who added the
>closure will not affect the school or its staff.

>"We knew this was coming. There were hints of it coming for a while."

>The closure comes on the heels of cuts at Dell's Ottawa call centre,
>which is cancelling plans for a 1,200-employee expansion and reducing
>its current workforce of 1,500 by an unspecified number.

>The two Canadian call centres were built and expanded in recent years
>as part of a global push to improve Dell's customer relations
>following a series of problems with some of its products as well as
>slowing market growth, declining profit margins and intense
>competition.

>Employees affected by the closure were being offered severance and
>career placement services, Patacairk said. Dell said it plans to move
>work that was done at the call centre to other facilities.

>Last May, the company said it would slash as many as 8,800 workers
>over 12 months but said no cuts would be made in Ottawa. Since then,
>the rapid rise of the Canadian dollar has hurt its operations.

>The company refused to say exactly how many of the approximately 1,500
>Dell Canada employees in Ottawa, who provide technical support for
>Dell customers in Canada and the United States, will lose their jobs.

>But a spokesman said the number is in line with the company's overall
>aim of cutting its workforce by 10 per cent, suggesting about 150 jobs
>were being lost.

>Dell Canada, headquartered in Toronto, also has offices in Montreal.

>The company, which has been pushing its computers into more retail
>stores after building its business originally as a direct-marketing
>company, also announced Wednesday it will close its 140 shopping mall
>kiosks in the United States.

>Dell now sells computers and other devices in more than 10,000 stores
>around the world, including Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Best Buy Co. It
>opened the kiosks in 2002 to boost sales of notebook computers.

>Dell's U.S. consumer revenue declined 26 per cent for the six months
>ended Aug. 3, compared with the same period in 2006.



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Subject: Time to Dump EDE - Save many MILLION$ - Lower taxes!! Another $92 MILLION LOSS From EDE!!
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Now that Dell is laying off the rest of the 1500 staff they used to have,
notice there is no apology from the clowns running EDE!

It was EDE who gave Dell $92 MILLION of taxpayers' money in 2004,
 WITHOUT THE CONSENT OR APPROVAL OF TAXPAYERS 
AS IN A REFERENDUM!!

Now the taxpayers are again on the hook, for the balance of the $92 MILLION
which was given to BRIBE DELL to locate a call center in Deadmonton!!


Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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In 2004 Dell was offered $92 MILLION to locate a small call center by the
mayor and EDE in Edmonton Canada , without the consent or approval of
taxpayers!

Now 1200 to 1500 local workers are being laid off in total, with the taxpayers
on the hook for the $92 MILLION, as reported in a banner headline story in the
Edmonton Journal at the time.


This is what happens when errant politicians BRIBE business owners to locate
in their miserable burg.

Notice that mayor Mandel claims he did not know of the massive layoffs, while
employees knew last summer, when they were being sent to the Philippines, to
train people their , to take over their jobs!!


On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:47:25 -0800 (PST), yendoR  wrote:

>Computer seller Dell to close Edmonton call centre; 900 to lose jobs

>EDMONTON - Computer retailer Dell (NASDAQ:DELL) is closing a call
>centre in Edmonton this spring less than four years after it opened, a
>move that will cost 900 employees their jobs.

>The Texas-based company, which is the world's No. 2 personal computer
>maker, said Thursday the Edmonton closing is part of a global plan to
>increase its efficiency and performance.

>"This has been a difficult decision. We have a good team of people and
>will do all we can to help them and our community partners through
>this transition," Dave Vanden Bosch, Dell's Edmonton site leader, said
>in a statement.

>Edmonton landed the call centre after offering Dell a $6-million
>incentive package, including a dollar-per-year lease on city land and
>a five-year property tax break.

>Employees were told of the closure Thursday morning. Some will lose
>their jobs immediately and others will be let go in the coming weeks
>and months.

>The call centre is to close permanently sometime between May and the
>end of July, Dell spokesman Blair Patacairk said.

>"These people have really contributed to Dell, and it is not a
>reflection on the people who work here or their talents. They are
>absolutely outstanding. It is a very difficult decision for us to
>make," he said.

>Reports suggested Dell was paying staff at the call centre salaries
>that ranged from $28,000 to more than $45,000 per year.

>Dell officials would not comment on what will happen to the building
>or its lease.

>"In terms of what will happen to the building and the land, we are
>exploring a number of options," he said.

>Edmonton Mayor Stephen Mandel said he is disappointed by the closure
>but appreciates that Dell is facing financial challenges and had
>difficulty retaining staff because of Alberta's hot economy. He said
>the high Canadian dollar was probably a factor as well.

>Mandel said the city didn't give the company any cash up front, but
>isn't sure if it will recoup any forgone property taxes. The city
>retains ownership of the land the building is on.

>"We knew it was coming, but we didn't think it would be to the degree
>it is. But it is sad when it happens," Mandel said.

>"A positive economy has negatives too. Dell did come here on a hope
>that they would stay here long term. That didn't happen."

>The closure is one of the biggest job cuts in Alberta in recent years
>and a sign that things may be starting to slow down a bit in the
>energy-rich province.

>An official at the Northern Alberta Institute of Technology in
>Edmonton, which trained about 600 Dell employees, said rumours of the
>closure have been circulating for months.

>NAIT stopped offering training for Dell employees in September, said
>Terry Drabiuk, NAIT's director of corporate and international
>training.

>"We haven't been doing any training for them since before Christmas,
>and we knew that they were ramping down," Drabiuk said, who added the
>closure will not affect the school or its staff.

>"We knew this was coming. There were hints of it coming for a while."

>The closure comes on the heels of cuts at Dell's Ottawa call centre,
>which is cancelling plans for a 1,200-employee expansion and reducing
>its current workforce of 1,500 by an unspecified number.

>The two Canadian call centres were built and expanded in recent years
>as part of a global push to improve Dell's customer relations
>following a series of problems with some of its products as well as
>slowing market growth, declining profit margins and intense
>competition.

>Employees affected by the closure were being offered severance and
>career placement services, Patacairk said. Dell said it plans to move
>work that was done at the call centre to other facilities.

>Last May, the company said it would slash as many as 8,800 workers
>over 12 months but said no cuts would be made in Ottawa. Since then,
>the rapid rise of the Canadian dollar has hurt its operations.

>The company refused to say exactly how many of the approximately 1,500
>Dell Canada employees in Ottawa, who provide technical support for
>Dell customers in Canada and the United States, will lose their jobs.

>But a spokesman said the number is in line with the company's overall
>aim of cutting its workforce by 10 per cent, suggesting about 150 jobs
>were being lost.

>Dell Canada, headquartered in Toronto, also has offices in Montreal.

>The company, which has been pushing its computers into more retail
>stores after building its business originally as a direct-marketing
>company, also announced Wednesday it will close its 140 shopping mall
>kiosks in the United States.

>Dell now sells computers and other devices in more than 10,000 stores
>around the world, including Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Best Buy Co. It
>opened the kiosks in 2002 to boost sales of notebook computers.

>Dell's U.S. consumer revenue declined 26 per cent for the six months
>ended Aug. 3, compared with the same period in 2006.



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In 2004 Dell was offered $92 MILLION to locate a small call center by the
mayor and EDE in Edmonton Canada , without the consent or approval of
taxpayers!

Now 1200 to 1500 local workers are being laid off in total, with the taxpayers
on the hook for the $92 MILLION, as reported in a banner headline story in 
the Edmonton Journal at the time.


This is what happens when errant politicians BRIBE business owners to locate
in their miserable burg.

Notice that mayor Mandel claims he did not know of the massive layoffs, while
employees knew last summer, when they were being sent to the Philippines, to
train people their , to take over their jobs!!


On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:47:25 -0800 (PST), yendoR  wrote:

>Computer seller Dell to close Edmonton call centre; 900 to lose jobs

>EDMONTON - Computer retailer Dell (NASDAQ:DELL) is closing a call
>centre in Edmonton this spring less than four years after it opened, a
>move that will cost 900 employees their jobs.

>The Texas-based company, which is the world's No. 2 personal computer
>maker, said Thursday the Edmonton closing is part of a global plan to
>increase its efficiency and performance.

>"This has been a difficult decision. We have a good team of people and
>will do all we can to help them and our community partners through
>this transition," Dave Vanden Bosch, Dell's Edmonton site leader, said
>in a statement.

>Edmonton landed the call centre after offering Dell a $6-million
>incentive package, including a dollar-per-year lease on city land and
>a five-year property tax break.

>Employees were told of the closure Thursday morning. Some will lose
>their jobs immediately and others will be let go in the coming weeks
>and months.

>The call centre is to close permanently sometime between May and the
>end of July, Dell spokesman Blair Patacairk said.

>"These people have really contributed to Dell, and it is not a
>reflection on the people who work here or their talents. They are
>absolutely outstanding. It is a very difficult decision for us to
>make," he said.

>Reports suggested Dell was paying staff at the call centre salaries
>that ranged from $28,000 to more than $45,000 per year.

>Dell officials would not comment on what will happen to the building
>or its lease.

>"In terms of what will happen to the building and the land, we are
>exploring a number of options," he said.

>Edmonton Mayor Stephen Mandel said he is disappointed by the closure
>but appreciates that Dell is facing financial challenges and had
>difficulty retaining staff because of Alberta's hot economy. He said
>the high Canadian dollar was probably a factor as well.

>Mandel said the city didn't give the company any cash up front, but
>isn't sure if it will recoup any forgone property taxes. The city
>retains ownership of the land the building is on.

>"We knew it was coming, but we didn't think it would be to the degree
>it is. But it is sad when it happens," Mandel said.

>"A positive economy has negatives too. Dell did come here on a hope
>that they would stay here long term. That didn't happen."

>The closure is one of the biggest job cuts in Alberta in recent years
>and a sign that things may be starting to slow down a bit in the
>energy-rich province.

>An official at the Northern Alberta Institute of Technology in
>Edmonton, which trained about 600 Dell employees, said rumours of the
>closure have been circulating for months.

>NAIT stopped offering training for Dell employees in September, said
>Terry Drabiuk, NAIT's director of corporate and international
>training.

>"We haven't been doing any training for them since before Christmas,
>and we knew that they were ramping down," Drabiuk said, who added the
>closure will not affect the school or its staff.

>"We knew this was coming. There were hints of it coming for a while."

>The closure comes on the heels of cuts at Dell's Ottawa call centre,
>which is cancelling plans for a 1,200-employee expansion and reducing
>its current workforce of 1,500 by an unspecified number.

>The two Canadian call centres were built and expanded in recent years
>as part of a global push to improve Dell's customer relations
>following a series of problems with some of its products as well as
>slowing market growth, declining profit margins and intense
>competition.

>Employees affected by the closure were being offered severance and
>career placement services, Patacairk said. Dell said it plans to move
>work that was done at the call centre to other facilities.

>Last May, the company said it would slash as many as 8,800 workers
>over 12 months but said no cuts would be made in Ottawa. Since then,
>the rapid rise of the Canadian dollar has hurt its operations.

>The company refused to say exactly how many of the approximately 1,500
>Dell Canada employees in Ottawa, who provide technical support for
>Dell customers in Canada and the United States, will lose their jobs.

>But a spokesman said the number is in line with the company's overall
>aim of cutting its workforce by 10 per cent, suggesting about 150 jobs
>were being lost.

>Dell Canada, headquartered in Toronto, also has offices in Montreal.

>The company, which has been pushing its computers into more retail
>stores after building its business originally as a direct-marketing
>company, also announced Wednesday it will close its 140 shopping mall
>kiosks in the United States.

>Dell now sells computers and other devices in more than 10,000 stores
>around the world, including Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Best Buy Co. It
>opened the kiosks in 2002 to boost sales of notebook computers.

>Dell's U.S. consumer revenue declined 26 per cent for the six months
>ended Aug. 3, compared with the same period in 2006.



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Subject: Time to Dump EDE - Save many MILLION$ - Lower taxes!! Another $92 MILLION LOSS From EDE!!
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Now that Dell is laying off the rest of the 1500 staff they used to have,
notice there is no apology from the clowns running EDE!

It was EDE who gave Dell $92 MILLION of taxpayers' money in 2004,
 WITHOUT THE CONSENT OR APPROVAL OF TAXPAYERS 
AS IN A REFERENDUM!!

Now the taxpayers are again on the hook, for the balance of the $92 MILLION
which was given to BRIBE DELL to locate a call center in Deadmonton!!


Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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Now that Dell is laying off the rest of the 1500 staff they used to have,
notice there is no apology from the clowns running EDE!

It was EDE who gave Dell $90 MILLION of taxpayers' money in 2004,
 WITHOUT THE CONSENT OR APPROVAL OF TAXPAYERS 
AS IN A REFERENDUM!!

Now the taxpayers are again on the hook, for the balance of the $90 MILLION
which was given to BRIBE DELL to locate a call center in Deadmonton!!


Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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Commission Cries ”Uncle”, Reveals Staff Spying in the Internet & Court Awards
Costs to Lemire

 
TORONTO. January 15, 2007. Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed
the appearance of his counsel, Barbara Kulaszka, for an hour and a half. Marc
Lemire walked out of Federal Court in Toronto today a happy man. By sheer
persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some
amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights
Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet
engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC
is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and
instigating.

 
After claiming Sec. 37, under the Canada Evidence Act  to rule out a number of
key questions to Canadian Human Rights Commission employees, the CHRC had
effectively shut down some important lines of inquiry. When this claim to not
divulge certain information is asserted by the government, the only recourse
is to seek judicial review in Federal Court. The information is placed before
a judge and he determines whether revealing the information would endanger
national security or the life or safety of a person. It might be used to keep
confidential the location of someone in the witness protection programme. It
is seldom used in civil court.

 
Marc Lemire contended all along that the Commission was hiding behind Sec. 37
to cover up their spying on Canadians. Following his oft repeated  motto “No
Surrender”, Mr. Lemire had persevered despite numerous Commission submissions
and manoevres made it clear he would go to Court, In a last minute effort to
avoid Court, the Commission’s outside lawyer Margot Blight gave in on all
points. Suddenly, what had once been information so sensitive it could not be
revealed without imperiling the public interest was disclosed. 

Among the information sought, protected but now revealed:

 
CHRC senior investigator Dean Steacy admitted: “I created the Jadewarr email
address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront,” a prominent White
Nationalist website. 
 Steacy claimed  to be “using the Jadewarr account in investigating Sec. 13
complaints.” Interestingly, he engaged Mr. Lemire, whom he was not
investigating, in private message exchanges.. 
Apparently, he was operating without instructions: “As an investigator I
decided how to  investigate.” 
 

As the Commission had withdrawn its Sec. 37 claim, there was little for Madam
Justice Carolyn Layden-Stevenson to decide. Mr. Lemire had asked her to direct
the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to re-open its hearing to permit the
re-calling of the Commission investigators, especially Mr. Steacy. 

Miss Kulaszka argued: “It is crucial to the Applicant that he have the right
to hear the answers directly from the witnesses and to be able to ask further
relevant questions. For example, given the disclosure that has been given, it
is now known that the anonymous poster, “Jadewarr” who twice attempted to
elicit information about or from Marc Lemire on the Stormfront message board,
was in fact Dean Steacy. Yet, he gave evidence before the Tribunal that
viewing of Stormfront would only occur pursuant to a complaint. The attempts
to elicit information from Mr. Lemire occurred in 2006, after the complaint
had already been sent to the  Tribunsal in August of 2005.”

 
The judge said she did not have the power to so direct the Tribunal.

 
Barbara Kulaszka forcefully argued that the Commission had delayed providing
this information and had used Sec. 37 as a stalling tactic to run up Mr.
Lemire’s costs. Mr. Lemire is a young father of two with very limited
resources.

The judge seemed to sympathize and awarded $1,500 in costs to Mr. Lemire.

In written submissions Douglas H. Christie, counsel for the Canadian Free
Speech League, which intervened on Mr. Lemire’s behalf, argued: “The
Commission, the Attorney General, and parties like ourselves are at a great
imbalance of financial resources. For this reason, it is appropriate that
adequate compensation be given to the Applicant for the costs of obtaining the
admission at the last minute. It appears the admission was only generated out
of the desire to avoid an adverse ruling.”

 
Mr. Lemire indicated that his defence team would be making an early
application to Tribunal  Member Athanasios Hadjis to re-open hearings so that
the witnesses, including Dean Steacy can be recalled. 

 
The Federal Court at 180 Queen St., West was packed. More chairs had to be
brought in twice and all extra chairs from the counsel table added to those
for the audience who streamed in from London, Kingston, Uxbridge, Port Credit,
St. Thomas. Ottawa and Penticton.

 

The hearing was delayed until 11:00 from its original 9:30 start. When it
commenced, it was quite short. The audience complained about the poor sound. A
wary commissionaire waved several people rising to object to silence. “This is
supposed to be a public hearing,” said Wolfgang Mueller and auditor and
spokesman for the Canadian Association for Free Expression. “How can it be
public when the public can’t hear and the authorities don’t seem to care. This
is not the first time we’ve been treated like this.”

 

At previous Richard Warman cases, since August, 2006 there has been heavy
security, including up to give government paid bodyguards for Warman and the
Commission lawyers.

 

“I see it must only be an orange alert today,” Paul Fromm representing the
Canadian Association for Free Expression which was intervening on Mr. Lemire’s
behalf said to Commission lawyer Margot Blight before the hearing. “I see
there are only the private security wanding all people entering, no Metro
Police, no bodyguards.”

 

Blight answered: “You don’t expect me to comment, do you?”

 

Ironically, this was the biggest crowd of supporters ever to attend one of the
Lemire hearings and it included several victims of Richard Warman. The
atmosphere was enthusiastic but peaceful.

 

“The bogus threat of security and the drama queen scene of Mr. Warman and
Commission lawyers even being accompanied to the washroom by bodyguards has
been a costly and deliberate tactic to vilify the victims, to make us appear
to be a threat. I’m glad that this time, both sides were allowed to approach
the bench on a level playing field,” Paul Fromm commented.

 






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Commission Cries ”Uncle”, Reveals Staff Spying in the Internet & Court Awards
Costs to Lemire

 
TORONTO. January 15, 2007. Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed
the appearance of his counsel, Barbara Kulaszka, for an hour and a half. Marc
Lemire walked out of Federal Court in Toronto today a happy man. By sheer
persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some
amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights
Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet
engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC
is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and
instigating.

 
After claiming Sec. 37, under the Canada Evidence Act  to rule out a number of
key questions to Canadian Human Rights Commission employees, the CHRC had
effectively shut down some important lines of inquiry. When this claim to not
divulge certain information is asserted by the government, the only recourse
is to seek judicial review in Federal Court. The information is placed before
a judge and he determines whether revealing the information would endanger
national security or the life or safety of a person. It might be used to keep
confidential the location of someone in the witness protection programme. It
is seldom used in civil court.

 
Marc Lemire contended all along that the Commission was hiding behind Sec. 37
to cover up their spying on Canadians. Following his oft repeated  motto “No
Surrender”, Mr. Lemire had persevered despite numerous Commission submissions
and manoevres made it clear he would go to Court, In a last minute effort to
avoid Court, the Commission’s outside lawyer Margot Blight gave in on all
points. Suddenly, what had once been information so sensitive it could not be
revealed without imperiling the public interest was disclosed. 

Among the information sought, protected but now revealed:

 
CHRC senior investigator Dean Steacy admitted: “I created the Jadewarr email
address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront,” a prominent White
Nationalist website. 
 Steacy claimed  to be “using the Jadewarr account in investigating Sec. 13
complaints.” Interestingly, he engaged Mr. Lemire, whom he was not
investigating, in private message exchanges.. 
Apparently, he was operating without instructions: “As an investigator I
decided how to  investigate.” 
 

As the Commission had withdrawn its Sec. 37 claim, there was little for Madam
Justice Carolyn Layden-Stevenson to decide. Mr. Lemire had asked her to direct
the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to re-open its hearing to permit the
re-calling of the Commission investigators, especially Mr. Steacy. 

Miss Kulaszka argued: “It is crucial to the Applicant that he have the right
to hear the answers directly from the witnesses and to be able to ask further
relevant questions. For example, given the disclosure that has been given, it
is now known that the anonymous poster, “Jadewarr” who twice attempted to
elicit information about or from Marc Lemire on the Stormfront message board,
was in fact Dean Steacy. Yet, he gave evidence before the Tribunal that
viewing of Stormfront would only occur pursuant to a complaint. The attempts
to elicit information from Mr. Lemire occurred in 2006, after the complaint
had already been sent to the  Tribunsal in August of 2005.”

 
The judge said she did not have the power to so direct the Tribunal.

 
Barbara Kulaszka forcefully argued that the Commission had delayed providing
this information and had used Sec. 37 as a stalling tactic to run up Mr.
Lemire’s costs. Mr. Lemire is a young father of two with very limited
resources.

The judge seemed to sympathize and awarded $1,500 in costs to Mr. Lemire.

In written submissions Douglas H. Christie, counsel for the Canadian Free
Speech League, which intervened on Mr. Lemire’s behalf, argued: “The
Commission, the Attorney General, and parties like ourselves are at a great
imbalance of financial resources. For this reason, it is appropriate that
adequate compensation be given to the Applicant for the costs of obtaining the
admission at the last minute. It appears the admission was only generated out
of the desire to avoid an adverse ruling.”

 
Mr. Lemire indicated that his defence team would be making an early
application to Tribunal  Member Athanasios Hadjis to re-open hearings so that
the witnesses, including Dean Steacy can be recalled. 

 
The Federal Court at 180 Queen St., West was packed. More chairs had to be
brought in twice and all extra chairs from the counsel table added to those
for the audience who streamed in from London, Kingston, Uxbridge, Port Credit,
St. Thomas. Ottawa and Penticton.

 

The hearing was delayed until 11:00 from its original 9:30 start. When it
commenced, it was quite short. The audience complained about the poor sound. A
wary commissionaire waved several people rising to object to silence. “This is
supposed to be a public hearing,” said Wolfgang Mueller and auditor and
spokesman for the Canadian Association for Free Expression. “How can it be
public when the public can’t hear and the authorities don’t seem to care. This
is not the first time we’ve been treated like this.”

 

At previous Richard Warman cases, since August, 2006 there has been heavy
security, including up to give government paid bodyguards for Warman and the
Commission lawyers.

 

“I see it must only be an orange alert today,” Paul Fromm representing the
Canadian Association for Free Expression which was intervening on Mr. Lemire’s
behalf said to Commission lawyer Margot Blight before the hearing. “I see
there are only the private security wanding all people entering, no Metro
Police, no bodyguards.”

 

Blight answered: “You don’t expect me to comment, do you?”

 

Ironically, this was the biggest crowd of supporters ever to attend one of the
Lemire hearings and it included several victims of Richard Warman. The
atmosphere was enthusiastic but peaceful.

 

“The bogus threat of security and the drama queen scene of Mr. Warman and
Commission lawyers even being accompanied to the washroom by bodyguards has
been a costly and deliberate tactic to vilify the victims, to make us appear
to be a threat. I’m glad that this time, both sides were allowed to approach
the bench on a level playing field,” Paul Fromm commented.

 






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Now that Dell is laying off the rest of the 1500 staff they used to have,
notice there is no apology from the clowns running EDE!

It was EDE who gave Dell $90 MILLION of taxpayers' money in 2004,
 WITHOUT THE CONSENT OR APPROVAL OF TAXPAYERS 
AS IN A REFERENDUM!!

Now the taxpayers are again on the hook, for the balance of the $90 MILLION
which was given to BRIBE DELL to locate a call center in Deadmonton!!


Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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Commission Cries ”Uncle”, Reveals Staff Spying in the Internet & Court Awards
Costs to Lemire

 
TORONTO. January 15, 2007. Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed
the appearance of his counsel, Barbara Kulaszka, for an hour and a half. Marc
Lemire walked out of Federal Court in Toronto today a happy man. By sheer
persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some
amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights
Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet
engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC
is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and
instigating.

 
After claiming Sec. 37, under the Canada Evidence Act  to rule out a number of
key questions to Canadian Human Rights Commission employees, the CHRC had
effectively shut down some important lines of inquiry. When this claim to not
divulge certain information is asserted by the government, the only recourse
is to seek judicial review in Federal Court. The information is placed before
a judge and he determines whether revealing the information would endanger
national security or the life or safety of a person. It might be used to keep
confidential the location of someone in the witness protection programme. It
is seldom used in civil court.

 
Marc Lemire contended all along that the Commission was hiding behind Sec. 37
to cover up their spying on Canadians. Following his oft repeated  motto “No
Surrender”, Mr. Lemire had persevered despite numerous Commission submissions
and manoevres made it clear he would go to Court, In a last minute effort to
avoid Court, the Commission’s outside lawyer Margot Blight gave in on all
points. Suddenly, what had once been information so sensitive it could not be
revealed without imperiling the public interest was disclosed. 

Among the information sought, protected but now revealed:

 
CHRC senior investigator Dean Steacy admitted: “I created the Jadewarr email
address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront,” a prominent White
Nationalist website. 
 Steacy claimed  to be “using the Jadewarr account in investigating Sec. 13
complaints.” Interestingly, he engaged Mr. Lemire, whom he was not
investigating, in private message exchanges.. 
Apparently, he was operating without instructions: “As an investigator I
decided how to  investigate.” 
 

As the Commission had withdrawn its Sec. 37 claim, there was little for Madam
Justice Carolyn Layden-Stevenson to decide. Mr. Lemire had asked her to direct
the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to re-open its hearing to permit the
re-calling of the Commission investigators, especially Mr. Steacy. 

Miss Kulaszka argued: “It is crucial to the Applicant that he have the right
to hear the answers directly from the witnesses and to be able to ask further
relevant questions. For example, given the disclosure that has been given, it
is now known that the anonymous poster, “Jadewarr” who twice attempted to
elicit information about or from Marc Lemire on the Stormfront message board,
was in fact Dean Steacy. Yet, he gave evidence before the Tribunal that
viewing of Stormfront would only occur pursuant to a complaint. The attempts
to elicit information from Mr. Lemire occurred in 2006, after the complaint
had already been sent to the  Tribunsal in August of 2005.”

 
The judge said she did not have the power to so direct the Tribunal.

 
Barbara Kulaszka forcefully argued that the Commission had delayed providing
this information and had used Sec. 37 as a stalling tactic to run up Mr.
Lemire’s costs. Mr. Lemire is a young father of two with very limited
resources.

The judge seemed to sympathize and awarded $1,500 in costs to Mr. Lemire.

In written submissions Douglas H. Christie, counsel for the Canadian Free
Speech League, which intervened on Mr. Lemire’s behalf, argued: “The
Commission, the Attorney General, and parties like ourselves are at a great
imbalance of financial resources. For this reason, it is appropriate that
adequate compensation be given to the Applicant for the costs of obtaining the
admission at the last minute. It appears the admission was only generated out
of the desire to avoid an adverse ruling.”

 
Mr. Lemire indicated that his defence team would be making an early
application to Tribunal  Member Athanasios Hadjis to re-open hearings so that
the witnesses, including Dean Steacy can be recalled. 

 
The Federal Court at 180 Queen St., West was packed. More chairs had to be
brought in twice and all extra chairs from the counsel table added to those
for the audience who streamed in from London, Kingston, Uxbridge, Port Credit,
St. Thomas. Ottawa and Penticton.

 

The hearing was delayed until 11:00 from its original 9:30 start. When it
commenced, it was quite short. The audience complained about the poor sound. A
wary commissionaire waved several people rising to object to silence. “This is
supposed to be a public hearing,” said Wolfgang Mueller and auditor and
spokesman for the Canadian Association for Free Expression. “How can it be
public when the public can’t hear and the authorities don’t seem to care. This
is not the first time we’ve been treated like this.”

 

At previous Richard Warman cases, since August, 2006 there has been heavy
security, including up to give government paid bodyguards for Warman and the
Commission lawyers.

 

“I see it must only be an orange alert today,” Paul Fromm representing the
Canadian Association for Free Expression which was intervening on Mr. Lemire’s
behalf said to Commission lawyer Margot Blight before the hearing. “I see
there are only the private security wanding all people entering, no Metro
Police, no bodyguards.”

 

Blight answered: “You don’t expect me to comment, do you?”

 

Ironically, this was the biggest crowd of supporters ever to attend one of the
Lemire hearings and it included several victims of Richard Warman. The
atmosphere was enthusiastic but peaceful.

 

“The bogus threat of security and the drama queen scene of Mr. Warman and
Commission lawyers even being accompanied to the washroom by bodyguards has
been a costly and deliberate tactic to vilify the victims, to make us appear
to be a threat. I’m glad that this time, both sides were allowed to approach
the bench on a level playing field,” Paul Fromm commented.

 






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In Canada there is no joint filing.
Everyone must file separately.
Since your wife makes more than the allowance to claim as your dependant, 
you will not be able to claim her on your tasx return.

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 17:12:36 +0100 (CET), Carllaem@yahoo.com wrote:

>In the country I come from, if you file jointly with your wife, you pay a
>lower tax rate. Is that true also in Canada?
>
>Specifically, I make about 27000 per year and my wife makes about 12000 per
>year. For incomes like that, can you give me a very rough idea of what
>kind of taxes we would be expected to pay filing jointly vs singly? There
>are no special deductions such as for dependents.




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