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Here in western Canada - now into the New Year - we are still waiting for
parcels sent 20 November and 6 December, which the lazy dogs at 
Canada Post have still NOT DELIVERED!!
These were all sent in time for supposed pre-Christmas delivery.

One packet from the US cleared Canada Customs in Winnipeg 24 December,
but has still NOT BEEN DELIVERED!!

Could it be that Canada Post managers are again STEALING MAIL?



On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:40:25 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio 
wrote:

>Media across western Canada, especially TV stations in Alberta have been
>reporting on the atrocious service [sic] of Canada Post this holiday 
>season.

>Whereas in past years, Canada Post had deliveries of Christmas parcels
>on the Saturday and Sunday before Christmas, in Alberta this year there
>were no weekend deliveries of Christmas parcels.

>Consequently, thousands of complaints have flooded the media, of children,
>and parents, missing many thousands of Christmas gifts that Canada Post
>refused to deliver. Many have still not received parcels that were mailed
>the beginning of December!!

>It is time for a major shake-up, and firing, of senior managers at Canada 
>Post.
>media have too often been reporting about huge THEFTS by senior managers,
>but their regular inadequate job performance is enough cause for FIRING FOR
>JUST CAUSE!

>Time for competition and cancellation of the postal monopoly.



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Here in western Canada - now into the New Year - we are still waiting for
parcels sent 20 November and 6 December, which the lazy dogs at 
Canada Post have still NOT DELIVERED!!
These were all sent in time for supposed pre-Christmas delivery.

One packet from the US cleared Canada Customs in Winnipeg 24 December,
but has still NOT BEEN DELIVERED!!

Could it be that Canada Post managers are again STEALING MAIL?



On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:40:25 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio 
wrote:

>Media across western Canada, especially TV stations in Alberta have been
>reporting on the atrocious service [sic] of Canada Post this holiday 
>season.

>Whereas in past years, Canada Post had deliveries of Christmas parcels
>on the Saturday and Sunday before Christmas, in Alberta this year there
>were no weekend deliveries of Christmas parcels.

>Consequently, thousands of complaints have flooded the media, of children,
>and parents, missing many thousands of Christmas gifts that Canada Post
>refused to deliver. Many have still not received parcels that were mailed
>the beginning of December!!

>It is time for a major shake-up, and firing, of senior managers at Canada 
>Post.
>media have too often been reporting about huge THEFTS by senior managers,
>but their regular inadequate job performance is enough cause for FIRING FOR
>JUST CAUSE!

>Time for competition and cancellation of the postal monopoly.



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Here in western Canada - now into the New Year - we are still waiting for
parcels sent 20 November and 6 December, which the lazy dogs at 
Canada Post have still NOT DELIVERED!!
These were all sent in time for supposed pre-Christmas delivery.

One packet from the US cleared Canada Customs in Winnipeg 24 December,
but has still NOT BEEN DELIVERED!!

Could it be that Canada Post managers are again STEALING MAIL?



On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:40:25 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio 
wrote:

>Media across western Canada, especially TV stations in Alberta have been
>reporting on the atrocious service [sic] of Canada Post this holiday 
>season.

>Whereas in past years, Canada Post had deliveries of Christmas parcels
>on the Saturday and Sunday before Christmas, in Alberta this year there
>were no weekend deliveries of Christmas parcels.

>Consequently, thousands of complaints have flooded the media, of children,
>and parents, missing many thousands of Christmas gifts that Canada Post
>refused to deliver. Many have still not received parcels that were mailed
>the beginning of December!!

>It is time for a major shake-up, and firing, of senior managers at Canada 
>Post.
>media have too often been reporting about huge THEFTS by senior managers,
>but their regular inadequate job performance is enough cause for FIRING FOR
>JUST CAUSE!

>Time for competition and cancellation of the postal monopoly.



From ElParagon@usenetexchange.com Sun Jan  6 13:43:49 EST 2008
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:19:52 GMT, in calgary.general "Canuck57"
 wrote:
"Tmuld"  wrote in message 
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> Hello,

> I heard about this class action suit against automakers:

> http://www.jruslaw.com/classactions/carprice.shtml

> Anyone have any stories about buying cars in the US compared to
> Canada?   Is there really a big price difference?
> Anyone notice Canadian retailers lowering car prices?

> Should I wait, or should I be heading to the US?

> Comments?

You can check it yourself.

 http://www.honda.ca for Canada

 http://www.honda.com for US

Makes no sense to buy in Canada at the moment.

 http://www.edmunds.com/ to see what people really pay which is less than 
MSRP.


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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:07:35 -0700, "TopPoster"  wrote:

>And you think you live in a free country

>Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
>a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
>the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous

>"Robert Weldon"  wrote in message
>news:Mt_0j.18852$PE.8634@pd7urf1no...
>>
>> "HakimHaroun"  wrote in message
>> news:7qi8k3dtjtgtph43fvke9nh1d42tmdr06i@4ax.com...
>> > Mare Mandel is desperately trying to make Edmonton Canada the Welfare
>> > Capital of North America.

>> > In the former Soviet Union the ZYD commies forced welfare housing
>> > everywhere, giving all the parasitic welfare bums FREE housing, of sorts.

>> > Now, Mandel wants to force developers and contractors in Edmonton, to GIVE
>> > THE CITY 5% of all buildings to be constructed, so that the city can then
>> > provide housing for welfare bums!!

>> > This will increase the costs to homebuyers, as well as discouraging
>> > construction.

>> > Quite apart from the refusal by buyers to buy, when they know that next door
>> > may be some undesirable welfare bum, subsidised by them and other
>> > taxpayers!!

>> > When contractors refuse to build in Deadmonton, perhaps then the jew mare
>> > will get the message. If he wants welfare housing, then let him move back to
>> > Russia. Or, he can always put his own money into building housing for his
>> > parasitic friends.

>> You may have a valid point here, however I fail to see what the mayor's
>> religion has to do with any of this.
>> And are you saying that he is a Russian immigrant?  I do see, however,that
>> you are a racist Grosvenor.  Under Canadian hate crime law, you can be
>> deported for what you are saying.  Is that what you want, so you can be just
>> like your hero Zundel?

Sorry parasite Welldumb, but citizens of Canada can not be deported from
Canada!! Yes, I do dislike communists, as do most property developers, just
ask them what THEY think about Mandel's proposals!!

Mind you, perhaps your employers may wish to fire you for theft of computer
usage?



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On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:19:52 GMT, in calgary.general "Canuck57"
 wrote:
"Tmuld"  wrote in message 
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> Hello,

> I heard about this class action suit against automakers:

> http://www.jruslaw.com/classactions/carprice.shtml

> Anyone have any stories about buying cars in the US compared to
> Canada?   Is there really a big price difference?
> Anyone notice Canadian retailers lowering car prices?

> Should I wait, or should I be heading to the US?

> Comments?

You can check it yourself.

 http://www.honda.ca for Canada

 http://www.honda.com for US

Makes no sense to buy in Canada at the moment.

 http://www.edmunds.com/ to see what people really pay which is less than 
MSRP.


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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:07:35 -0700, "TopPoster"  wrote:

>And you think you live in a free country

>Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
>they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
>a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
>should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
>the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous

>"Robert Weldon"  wrote in message
>news:Mt_0j.18852$PE.8634@pd7urf1no...
>>
>> "HakimHaroun"  wrote in message
>> news:7qi8k3dtjtgtph43fvke9nh1d42tmdr06i@4ax.com...
>> > Mare Mandel is desperately trying to make Edmonton Canada the Welfare
>> > Capital of North America.

>> > In the former Soviet Union the ZYD commies forced welfare housing
>> > everywhere, giving all the parasitic welfare bums FREE housing, of sorts.

>> > Now, Mandel wants to force developers and contractors in Edmonton, to GIVE
>> > THE CITY 5% of all buildings to be constructed, so that the city can then
>> > provide housing for welfare bums!!

>> > This will increase the costs to homebuyers, as well as discouraging
>> > construction.

>> > Quite apart from the refusal by buyers to buy, when they know that next door
>> > may be some undesirable welfare bum, subsidised by them and other
>> > taxpayers!!

>> > When contractors refuse to build in Deadmonton, perhaps then the jew mare
>> > will get the message. If he wants welfare housing, then let him move back to
>> > Russia. Or, he can always put his own money into building housing for his
>> > parasitic friends.

>> You may have a valid point here, however I fail to see what the mayor's
>> religion has to do with any of this.
>> And are you saying that he is a Russian immigrant?  I do see, however,that
>> you are a racist Grosvenor.  Under Canadian hate crime law, you can be
>> deported for what you are saying.  Is that what you want, so you can be just
>> like your hero Zundel?

Sorry parasite Welldumb, but citizens of Canada can not be deported from
Canada!! Yes, I do dislike communists, as do most property developers, just
ask them what THEY think about Mandel's proposals!!

Mind you, perhaps your employers may wish to fire you for theft of computer
usage?



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Subject: Re: UPS Are Real CROOKS - REFUSE TO DELVER XMAS PARCELS!!
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UPS now are admitting that Xmas parcels have been sitting in their trucks in
Edmonton for at least the past 14 days!!

They have REFUSED TO DELIVER, and have even refused to allow 
recipients to pick up their Christmas packages!!

This not made up, but actually TRUE, as the TROUBLESHOOTER on TV exposed!!


On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:12:53 +0100 (CET), "Colin B."
 wrote:
>In calgary.general Anonymous Sender  wrote:
>> UPS are real crooks and a ripoff!

>> A parcel sent in December from the USA to Canada, 
>> has been lost (?) for weeks by UPS, with them lying 
>> like a rug about excuses for their non-delivery!

>Wow, is 2008 going to be the year that I agree with Grosvenor??!

>I've got to say that UPS is the single worst company I've ever
>had the misfortune of dealing with. Now if a company tells me they
>only ship via UPS, I'll buy elsewhere or do without.



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UPS now are admitting that Xmas parcels have been sitting in their trucks in
Edmonton for at least the past 14 days!!

They have REFUSED TO DELIVER, and have even refused to allow 
recipients to pick up their Christmas packages!!

This not made up, but actually TRUE, as the TROUBLESHOOTER on TV exposed!!


On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:12:53 +0100 (CET), "Colin B."
 wrote:
>In calgary.general Anonymous Sender  wrote:
>> UPS are real crooks and a ripoff!

>> A parcel sent in December from the USA to Canada, 
>> has been lost (?) for weeks by UPS, with them lying 
>> like a rug about excuses for their non-delivery!

>Wow, is 2008 going to be the year that I agree with Grosvenor??!

>I've got to say that UPS is the single worst company I've ever
>had the misfortune of dealing with. Now if a company tells me they
>only ship via UPS, I'll buy elsewhere or do without.



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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:58:05 -0700, snowman  wrote:
>Mefisto wrote:
>> UPS now are admitting that Xmas parcels have been sitting in their trucks in
>> Edmonton for at least the past 14 days!!
>> 
>> They have REFUSED TO DELIVER, and have even refused to allow 
>> recipients to pick up their Christmas packages!!
>> 
>> This not made up, but actually TRUE, as the TROUBLESHOOTER on TV exposed!!

>Bill, what happened to your Burger King free sandwich complaint?  Went 
>nowhere, did it?

If you have any friends, such as at Burger King Head Office, you would know
that it got settled - out of Court, dummy



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On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:58:05 -0700, snowman  wrote:
>Mefisto wrote:
>> UPS now are admitting that Xmas parcels have been sitting in their trucks in
>> Edmonton for at least the past 14 days!!

>> They have REFUSED TO DELIVER, and have even refused to allow 
>> recipients to pick up their Christmas packages!!

>> This not made up, but actually TRUE, as the TROUBLESHOOTER on TV exposed!!

Concentrate on the topic and perhaps someone may read your tripe.


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From: Mefisto 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.politics,edm.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada
Subject: Re: Camrose Kids Microwave Cat
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Media are reporting that the local Gestapo [RCMP} have ordered people to
remove the names of these criminals from postings on the internet.

I suggest that people around the world should know who these punk kids are, so
that when they get sentenced, perhaps someone will then teach them right from
wrong.

People in Camrose, let us know the names and addresses of these disgusting
criminals.

It seems that in Canada the criminals have more rights than the public who
need to be protected from these criminals!

Time to take back justice from the corrupt politicians, and have "natural
justice" administered by local populace.


On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:27:56 -0800 (PST), Cut Off By Google
 wrote:
>On Jan 7, 7:50 pm, "Willie"  wrote:
>> That's how it all starts. Animal abuse.

>All starts according to the same lying assholes who claim that looking
>at porn leads to rape and wife beatings. Less evidence for the claim
>than there is for the claim that becoming a cop leads to being a death
>squad operative.

>>Then Alberta Justice "reforms" the useless bastards by housing and feeding them at taxpayer's expense.

>You'd rather microwave them no doubt.

>>Then the reformed creeps hit the streets and graduate from helpless cats to human
>> beings.

>Your ability to see the future amazes me. (deep sarcasm)

>>They'll learn that Alberta Justice is run by a bunch of sissies and
>> girly men and the punishment is no big deal. Historically most serial
>> killers displayed abuse of animals at an early age.
>
>BULLSHIT.
>
>>Now Camrose may have four of them on the way.
>
>They killed a cat in a most inhumane way, and now you want them dealt
>with in a most inhumane way. How many bodies do you have buried in
>your back yard asshole?
>
>> Who mothered and fathered these cruel bastards and where were they when
>> these four broke into that house not once but twice? The mothers and fathers
>> are probably a bunch of lay about crackhead alcoholics that don't give a
>> shit.
>
>Or maybe they are sanctimonious assholes like you.  My kids do that...
>heaven forbid, it is only the children of crack whores and alcoholics
>who would do something like that.
>
>> A good daily beating for 30 days is what all four of them really need.. Or
>> just cut off their ears and carve an X into their foreheads so everyone
>> knows who they are for the rest of their pathetic lives.
>
>What they did was wrong, but it was a cat. Are you as outraged over
>what goes on by the cosmetics industry to ensure that you can buy
>shampoo that doesn't sting your eyes? Are you as outraged over what
>goes on in the slaughter houses so you can eat your t-bone steak?
>
>You aren't? Piss off then.



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Subject: What To Do About Camrose Cat Killers? Get Rid Of Them!
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Bleeding heart liberals in the media feel that publishing the names and
addresses of the 4 punks who microwaved a pet cat to death is wrong.

What is wrong is the concern for such lefties for the criminals, and not for
the victims!

I say, publish the names and addresses of these criminals, and let society 
perform the necessary justice.

These sub-humans will never become useful members of society, and their
so-called parents presumably are no better.

Stop giving execuses, just eliminate such garbage - permanently.

If you publicise their names and address, give a tip to the ng as well.


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Just publish the names and addresses of the four punks.
Then let natural justice by the populace finally get rid of the garbage,
perhaps to be found in some landfill?


On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:23:05 GMT, Bill Smith 
wrote:

>Hear ye, Hear Ye.
>1 million against four.

>On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:02:47 GMT, Mefisto 
>wrote:

>>Media are reporting that the local Gestapo [RCMP} have ordered people to
>>remove the names of these criminals from postings on the internet.

>>I suggest that people around the world should know who these punk kids are, so
>>that when they get sentenced, perhaps someone will then teach them right from
>>wrong.

>>People in Camrose, let us know the names and addresses of these disgusting
>>criminals.

>>It seems that in Canada the criminals have more rights than the public who
>>need to be protected from these criminals!

>>Time to take back justice from the corrupt politicians, and have "natural
>>justice" administered by local populace.


>>On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:27:56 -0800 (PST), Cut Off By Google
>> wrote:
>>>On Jan 7, 7:50 pm, "Willie"  wrote:
>>>> That's how it all starts. Animal abuse.

>>>All starts according to the same lying assholes who claim that looking
>>>at porn leads to rape and wife beatings. Less evidence for the claim
>>>than there is for the claim that becoming a cop leads to being a death
>>>squad operative.

>>>>Then Alberta Justice "reforms" the useless bastards by housing and feeding them at taxpayer's expense.

>>>You'd rather microwave them no doubt.

>>>>Then the reformed creeps hit the streets and graduate from helpless cats to human
>>>> beings.

>>>Your ability to see the future amazes me. (deep sarcasm)

>>>>They'll learn that Alberta Justice is run by a bunch of sissies and
>>>> girly men and the punishment is no big deal. Historically most serial
>>>> killers displayed abuse of animals at an early age.

>>>BULLSHIT.

>>>>Now Camrose may have four of them on the way.

>>>They killed a cat in a most inhumane way, and now you want them dealt
>>>with in a most inhumane way. How many bodies do you have buried in
>>>your back yard asshole?

>>>> Who mothered and fathered these cruel bastards and where were they when
>>>> these four broke into that house not once but twice? The mothers and fathers
>>>> are probably a bunch of lay about crackhead alcoholics that don't give a
>>>> shit.

>>>Or maybe they are sanctimonious assholes like you.  My kids do that...
>>>heaven forbid, it is only the children of crack whores and alcoholics
>>>who would do something like that.

>>>> A good daily beating for 30 days is what all four of them really need.. Or
>>>> just cut off their ears and carve an X into their foreheads so everyone
>>>> knows who they are for the rest of their pathetic lives.

>>>What they did was wrong, but it was a cat. Are you as outraged over
>>>what goes on by the cosmetics industry to ensure that you can buy
>>>shampoo that doesn't sting your eyes? Are you as outraged over what
>>>goes on in the slaughter houses so you can eat your t-bone steak?

>>>You aren't? Piss off then.



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Why not FRY all 4 of these psychopaths?

I bet there are enough VOLUNTEERS, not only from cat lovers, to take care of
these 4 pieces of sub-human garbage!

They deserve the DEATH PENALTY!


On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:10:44 -0800 (PST), Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Jan 8, 7:35 am, Mefisto  wrote:
>> Bleeding heart liberals in the media feel that publishing the names and
>> addresses of the 4 punks who microwaved a pet cat to death is wrong.

>> What is wrong is the concern for such lefties for the criminals, and not for
>> the victims!

>> I say, publish the names and addresses of these criminals, and let society
>> perform the necessary justice.

>> These sub-humans will never become useful members of society, and their
>> so-called parents presumably are no better.

>> Stop giving execuses, just eliminate such garbage - permanently.

>> If you publicise their names and address, give a tip to the ng as well.

>This time, Grossie, I agree with you 100%.

>If a kid can cook a cat alive in a microwave, what is he going to do
>with a human being?  These little psychopaths should be locked up in a
>psychiatric ward for life.



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Media are reporting that the local Gestapo [RCMP} have ordered people to
remove the names of these criminals from postings on the internet.

I suggest that people around the world should know who these punk kids are, so
that when they get sentenced, perhaps someone will then teach them right from
wrong.

People in Camrose, let us know the names and addresses of these disgusting
criminals.

It seems that in Canada the criminals have more rights than the public who
need to be protected from these criminals!

Time to take back justice from the corrupt politicians, and have "natural
justice" administered by local populace.


On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:27:56 -0800 (PST), Cut Off By Google
 wrote:
>On Jan 7, 7:50 pm, "Willie"  wrote:
>> That's how it all starts. Animal abuse.

>All starts according to the same lying assholes who claim that looking
>at porn leads to rape and wife beatings. Less evidence for the claim
>than there is for the claim that becoming a cop leads to being a death
>squad operative.

>>Then Alberta Justice "reforms" the useless bastards by housing and feeding them at taxpayer's expense.

>You'd rather microwave them no doubt.

>>Then the reformed creeps hit the streets and graduate from helpless cats to human
>> beings.

>Your ability to see the future amazes me. (deep sarcasm)

>>They'll learn that Alberta Justice is run by a bunch of sissies and
>> girly men and the punishment is no big deal. Historically most serial
>> killers displayed abuse of animals at an early age.
>
>BULLSHIT.
>
>>Now Camrose may have four of them on the way.
>
>They killed a cat in a most inhumane way, and now you want them dealt
>with in a most inhumane way. How many bodies do you have buried in
>your back yard asshole?
>
>> Who mothered and fathered these cruel bastards and where were they when
>> these four broke into that house not once but twice? The mothers and fathers
>> are probably a bunch of lay about crackhead alcoholics that don't give a
>> shit.
>
>Or maybe they are sanctimonious assholes like you.  My kids do that...
>heaven forbid, it is only the children of crack whores and alcoholics
>who would do something like that.
>
>> A good daily beating for 30 days is what all four of them really need.. Or
>> just cut off their ears and carve an X into their foreheads so everyone
>> knows who they are for the rest of their pathetic lives.
>
>What they did was wrong, but it was a cat. Are you as outraged over
>what goes on by the cosmetics industry to ensure that you can buy
>shampoo that doesn't sting your eyes? Are you as outraged over what
>goes on in the slaughter houses so you can eat your t-bone steak?
>
>You aren't? Piss off then.



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Just publish the names and addresses of the four punks.
Then let natural justice by the populace finally get rid of the garbage,
perhaps to be found in some landfill?


On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:23:05 GMT, Bill Smith 
wrote:

>Hear ye, Hear Ye.
>1 million against four.

>On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:02:47 GMT, Mefisto 
>wrote:

>>Media are reporting that the local Gestapo [RCMP} have ordered people to
>>remove the names of these criminals from postings on the internet.

>>I suggest that people around the world should know who these punk kids are, so
>>that when they get sentenced, perhaps someone will then teach them right from
>>wrong.

>>People in Camrose, let us know the names and addresses of these disgusting
>>criminals.

>>It seems that in Canada the criminals have more rights than the public who
>>need to be protected from these criminals!

>>Time to take back justice from the corrupt politicians, and have "natural
>>justice" administered by local populace.


>>On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:27:56 -0800 (PST), Cut Off By Google
>> wrote:
>>>On Jan 7, 7:50 pm, "Willie"  wrote:
>>>> That's how it all starts. Animal abuse.

>>>All starts according to the same lying assholes who claim that looking
>>>at porn leads to rape and wife beatings. Less evidence for the claim
>>>than there is for the claim that becoming a cop leads to being a death
>>>squad operative.

>>>>Then Alberta Justice "reforms" the useless bastards by housing and feeding them at taxpayer's expense.

>>>You'd rather microwave them no doubt.

>>>>Then the reformed creeps hit the streets and graduate from helpless cats to human
>>>> beings.

>>>Your ability to see the future amazes me. (deep sarcasm)

>>>>They'll learn that Alberta Justice is run by a bunch of sissies and
>>>> girly men and the punishment is no big deal. Historically most serial
>>>> killers displayed abuse of animals at an early age.

>>>BULLSHIT.

>>>>Now Camrose may have four of them on the way.

>>>They killed a cat in a most inhumane way, and now you want them dealt
>>>with in a most inhumane way. How many bodies do you have buried in
>>>your back yard asshole?

>>>> Who mothered and fathered these cruel bastards and where were they when
>>>> these four broke into that house not once but twice? The mothers and fathers
>>>> are probably a bunch of lay about crackhead alcoholics that don't give a
>>>> shit.

>>>Or maybe they are sanctimonious assholes like you.  My kids do that...
>>>heaven forbid, it is only the children of crack whores and alcoholics
>>>who would do something like that.

>>>> A good daily beating for 30 days is what all four of them really need.. Or
>>>> just cut off their ears and carve an X into their foreheads so everyone
>>>> knows who they are for the rest of their pathetic lives.

>>>What they did was wrong, but it was a cat. Are you as outraged over
>>>what goes on by the cosmetics industry to ensure that you can buy
>>>shampoo that doesn't sting your eyes? Are you as outraged over what
>>>goes on in the slaughter houses so you can eat your t-bone steak?

>>>You aren't? Piss off then.



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Media are reporting that the local Gestapo [RCMP} have ordered people to
remove the names of these criminals from postings on the internet.

I suggest that people around the world should know who these punk kids are, so
that when they get sentenced, perhaps someone will then teach them right from
wrong.

People in Camrose, let us know the names and addresses of these disgusting
criminals.

It seems that in Canada the criminals have more rights than the public who
need to be protected from these criminals!

Time to take back justice from the corrupt politicians, and have "natural
justice" administered by local populace.


On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:27:56 -0800 (PST), Cut Off By Google
 wrote:
>On Jan 7, 7:50 pm, "Willie"  wrote:
>> That's how it all starts. Animal abuse.

>All starts according to the same lying assholes who claim that looking
>at porn leads to rape and wife beatings. Less evidence for the claim
>than there is for the claim that becoming a cop leads to being a death
>squad operative.

>>Then Alberta Justice "reforms" the useless bastards by housing and feeding them at taxpayer's expense.

>You'd rather microwave them no doubt.

>>Then the reformed creeps hit the streets and graduate from helpless cats to human
>> beings.

>Your ability to see the future amazes me. (deep sarcasm)

>>They'll learn that Alberta Justice is run by a bunch of sissies and
>> girly men and the punishment is no big deal. Historically most serial
>> killers displayed abuse of animals at an early age.
>
>BULLSHIT.
>
>>Now Camrose may have four of them on the way.
>
>They killed a cat in a most inhumane way, and now you want them dealt
>with in a most inhumane way. How many bodies do you have buried in
>your back yard asshole?
>
>> Who mothered and fathered these cruel bastards and where were they when
>> these four broke into that house not once but twice? The mothers and fathers
>> are probably a bunch of lay about crackhead alcoholics that don't give a
>> shit.
>
>Or maybe they are sanctimonious assholes like you.  My kids do that...
>heaven forbid, it is only the children of crack whores and alcoholics
>who would do something like that.
>
>> A good daily beating for 30 days is what all four of them really need.. Or
>> just cut off their ears and carve an X into their foreheads so everyone
>> knows who they are for the rest of their pathetic lives.
>
>What they did was wrong, but it was a cat. Are you as outraged over
>what goes on by the cosmetics industry to ensure that you can buy
>shampoo that doesn't sting your eyes? Are you as outraged over what
>goes on in the slaughter houses so you can eat your t-bone steak?
>
>You aren't? Piss off then.



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Just publish the names and addresses of the four punks.
Then let natural justice by the populace finally get rid of the garbage,
perhaps to be found in some landfill?


On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:23:05 GMT, Bill Smith 
wrote:

>Hear ye, Hear Ye.
>1 million against four.

>On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:02:47 GMT, Mefisto 
>wrote:

>>Media are reporting that the local Gestapo [RCMP} have ordered people to
>>remove the names of these criminals from postings on the internet.

>>I suggest that people around the world should know who these punk kids are, so
>>that when they get sentenced, perhaps someone will then teach them right from
>>wrong.

>>People in Camrose, let us know the names and addresses of these disgusting
>>criminals.

>>It seems that in Canada the criminals have more rights than the public who
>>need to be protected from these criminals!

>>Time to take back justice from the corrupt politicians, and have "natural
>>justice" administered by local populace.


>>On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:27:56 -0800 (PST), Cut Off By Google
>> wrote:
>>>On Jan 7, 7:50 pm, "Willie"  wrote:
>>>> That's how it all starts. Animal abuse.

>>>All starts according to the same lying assholes who claim that looking
>>>at porn leads to rape and wife beatings. Less evidence for the claim
>>>than there is for the claim that becoming a cop leads to being a death
>>>squad operative.

>>>>Then Alberta Justice "reforms" the useless bastards by housing and feeding them at taxpayer's expense.

>>>You'd rather microwave them no doubt.

>>>>Then the reformed creeps hit the streets and graduate from helpless cats to human
>>>> beings.

>>>Your ability to see the future amazes me. (deep sarcasm)

>>>>They'll learn that Alberta Justice is run by a bunch of sissies and
>>>> girly men and the punishment is no big deal. Historically most serial
>>>> killers displayed abuse of animals at an early age.

>>>BULLSHIT.

>>>>Now Camrose may have four of them on the way.

>>>They killed a cat in a most inhumane way, and now you want them dealt
>>>with in a most inhumane way. How many bodies do you have buried in
>>>your back yard asshole?

>>>> Who mothered and fathered these cruel bastards and where were they when
>>>> these four broke into that house not once but twice? The mothers and fathers
>>>> are probably a bunch of lay about crackhead alcoholics that don't give a
>>>> shit.

>>>Or maybe they are sanctimonious assholes like you.  My kids do that...
>>>heaven forbid, it is only the children of crack whores and alcoholics
>>>who would do something like that.

>>>> A good daily beating for 30 days is what all four of them really need.. Or
>>>> just cut off their ears and carve an X into their foreheads so everyone
>>>> knows who they are for the rest of their pathetic lives.

>>>What they did was wrong, but it was a cat. Are you as outraged over
>>>what goes on by the cosmetics industry to ensure that you can buy
>>>shampoo that doesn't sting your eyes? Are you as outraged over what
>>>goes on in the slaughter houses so you can eat your t-bone steak?

>>>You aren't? Piss off then.



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Why not FRY all 4 of these psychopaths?

I bet there are enough VOLUNTEERS, not only from cat lovers, to take care of
these 4 pieces of sub-human garbage!

They deserve the DEATH PENALTY!


On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:10:44 -0800 (PST), Loaf of Bread 
wrote:
>On Jan 8, 7:35 am, Mefisto  wrote:
>> Bleeding heart liberals in the media feel that publishing the names and
>> addresses of the 4 punks who microwaved a pet cat to death is wrong.

>> What is wrong is the concern for such lefties for the criminals, and not for
>> the victims!

>> I say, publish the names and addresses of these criminals, and let society
>> perform the necessary justice.

>> These sub-humans will never become useful members of society, and their
>> so-called parents presumably are no better.

>> Stop giving execuses, just eliminate such garbage - permanently.

>> If you publicise their names and address, give a tip to the ng as well.

>This time, Grossie, I agree with you 100%.

>If a kid can cook a cat alive in a microwave, what is he going to do
>with a human being?  These little psychopaths should be locked up in a
>psychiatric ward for life.



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Glad to see that the worldwide boycott of Bumbardier is continuing!!

So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.


>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks - in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.


>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a "crisis meeting" with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!!  In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to "take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens".

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!



>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, "Paul"  wrote:
>>>"Craig Welch"  wrote in message 
>>>news:05tci3p2r6alippljpsofvojef7csddj21@4ax.com...
>>>> Ned Kelly  said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due 
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and 
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig                           http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606 




On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:15:24 +0100, Earl Evleth  wrote:
>On 9/01/08 22:38, in article
>3c0423c3-924b-4625-8683-15335d32e7e2@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
>"Jigsaw1695"  wrote:

>> In the meantime, Boeing (BA) closed at $77.81. it has paid an average
>> of fifty about $.25 a share every quarter since the early nineties.

>It traded at 107 in August, the current chart----

>http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=ba;range=1y;charttype=line;cro
>sshair=on;logscale=on;source=undefined

>looks like it is currently in free-fall

>The dividend is $1.60, the current yield running about 2%.

>It is not a stock for old folks. Right now the stock
>market will probably continue to drop because the economy
>is headed into a recession, how serious remains to be see.

>I suspect that prior (about 6-12 months) to the 787 being delivered,
>Boeing will rise again but that is speculative.  This means that
>it might be a vehicle to capital gains but is not a fixed-income
>stock.




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Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:12:26 -0700, John Fleming  wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:13:03 GMT, while chained to a desk in
>the scriptorium KaiserWilhelm
> wrote:
>
>[usual garbage snipped]
>
>FOAD Grosvenor.

YOU FIRST!


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Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:12:26 -0700, John Fleming  wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:13:03 GMT, while chained to a desk in
>the scriptorium KaiserWilhelm
> wrote:
>
>[usual garbage snipped]
>
>FOAD Grosvenor.

YOU FIRST!


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Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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Looking for MICHEL catalogs on CD.

Will gladly pay fair price for copy CDs, or trade for other progs.
Can also send stamps of your choice, in exchange.

If you have MICHEL, reply to: JoeBlough@operamail.com

Does no one in China, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Russia or 
eastern Europe have these for sale?




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Looking for MICHEL catalogs on CD.

Will gladly pay fair price for copy CDs, or trade for other progs.
Can also send stamps of your choice, in exchange.

If you have MICHEL, reply to: JoeBlough@operamail.com

Does no one in China, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Russia or 
eastern Europe have these for sale?




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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:12:40 -0800 (PST), Jigsaw1695 
wrote:
>On Nov 26, 9:17?am, yitz...@yahoo.fr (Yitzhak) wrote:
>> Jigsaw1695  wrote:
>> > On Nov 26, 3:47?am, Earl Evleth  wrote:

>> >> Of course China has plenty of money (dollars up the gingy)
>> >> and it is smart to trade them for real things.

>> >> Airbus to Sell 160 Jets to China
>> >> Monday November 26, 6:28 am ET
>> >> By Christopher Bodeen, Associated Press Writer
>> > Yea...I read the article yesterday.

Airbus seals  $50bn aircraft deals -biggest deal in civil aviation history.
Bombardier Loses!

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:49:30 -0800, kangarooistan
 wrote:

>Airbus seals $50bn aircraft deals

> Flying kangaroo look out

>Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud is the first private
>buyer of the A380  " Flying Castle " , with room for 20    camels  and
>the entire family , in one plane

>Airbus, the European aircraft manufacturer, has secured an order worth
>up to $50bn from Middle Eastern carriers at the Dubai Aerospace Air
>Show.

>The company is said to have scored a major victory over Boeing, its US
>rival, winning an order worth $31bn from Emirates, the Dubai-owned
>airline, for 70 Airbus A350 aeroplanes.

>It is considered the biggest deal in civil aviation history.

>The deal, announced at the Dubai air show on Monday, includes an
>option to purchase 50 more aircraft, including the A380 superjumbo,
>the world's largest passenger airliner.

>The A380 order adds to the carrier's backlog of 47, the largest order
>for the super jumbo aircraft from any airline.

>Rolls-Royce is also a major beneficiary of the move, which may be
>worth as much as $8.4bn, as Rolls-Royce offers the only engine
>available on the Airbus airplane.

>Lucrative deals

>Separately, DAE Capital, the aircraft-leasing arm of Dubai Aerospace
>Enterprise, said it would purchase 70 Airbus A320s and 30 A350s for a
>total $13.7bn at list prices.

>"This agreement will help us meet the demand for new aircraft,
>particularly in the Middle East and Asia, over the next decade and
>more," Robert Genise, chief executive officer of Dubai Aerospace's DAE
>Capital leasing unit, said in a statement.

>"We are perfectly placed to secure our position by taking advantage of
>the significant growth of the aviation industry within this region and
>other emerging global markets."

>Qatar Airways, another fast-growing Gulf airline, signed an agreement
>on Sunday with Boeing for 30 Dreamliners and five 777 cargo jets in a
>deal valued at $6.1bn at list prices.

>Akbar al-Baker, the Qatar Airways chief executive officer, indicated
>the government-owned carrier might go for a public share listing in
>three to four years' time when the company starts making a profit.

>Gulf appetite

>Asked to explain the Gulf appetite for aircraft, John Leahy, Airbus
>sales chief, said: "If they don't place their orders now, they won't
>get the delivery early enough to meet their needs."

>According to Boeing, the Middle East is expected to spend $190bn to
>buy 1,160 passenger jets over the next 19 years.

>Boeing estimates also claim that during that same period, passenger
>traffic in the region will grow annually by 5.7 per cent, while
>freight is due to rise by 7.1 per cent.

>These figures are way above the average world estimates for passenger
>and freight traffic.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Private purchase

>Airbus has also named Prince Walid bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, a
>Saudi billionaire, as the first private buyer of the A380.

>The prospective buyer's identity had been kept secret for months but
>was unveiled to coincide with the Dubai air show.

>Walid, whose interests span from hotels and financial institutions,
>has ordered a VIP version of the A380, dubbed the "Flying Palace".

>He already owns a Boeing 747-400, the newest type of the original
>jumbo jet currently in service.

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:35:18 -0800, Jay  wrote:
>Ned Kelly wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:18:04 -0800, Jay  wrote:
>>> Ned Kelly wrote:
>>>> So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
>>>> airplane crashes.

>>>> Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

>>>> AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

>>> Did you lose money holding Bombardier shares, or something?

>> No, I refused to buy anything from Bombardier, after having billions of
>> taxpayer dollars going to the scammers in Quebec!!

>So, why didn't you just say that, instead of trying to incite fear into 
>the masses in order to get people not to fly on Bombardier planes and 
>cause the company to loss sales and profits? Kind of a roundabout way to 
>get your point across, don't you think?

With all the crashes of the Bumbardier aircraft, supposedly due to defective
landing gear, in Europe, Japan and who knows where else, the aircraft from
Bombardier are most definitely UNSAFE!!

I do not give a damn about jobs lost because of cancelled sales, but I do care
about unnecessary loss of life just because some business cuts corners to make
extra profits.

So far there are no deaths reported from the defective Bombardier Canada
airplane crashes.

Will the flight YOU take be the one where YOU and others get killed?

AVOID FLYING ON BOMBARDIER aircraft, and tell your friends likewise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7089318.stm

Emirates orders 82 Airbus planes

The latest Emirates deal is worth more than $20bn for Airbus
Emirates has ordered 82 Airbus jets, in a deal worth more than $20bn
(Ł9.6bn) for the European plane-maker.

The Dubai-based airline is buying 70 of Airbus' mid-sized A350 model,
and 11 Airbus A380 twin-deck super jumbos.

Announced at the start of the Dubai air show, Emirates said the new
planes would play "an important role" in the growth of both the
airline and Dubai.

Emirates added that it also had the option to purchase a further 50
A350 aircraft at a future date.

Rolls-Royce deal

If this additional order goes ahead, the final deal will be worth
about $32bn for Airbus.


Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud
Airbus boss Tom Enders

The latest contract win for Airbus was also good news for British
engine-maker Rolls-Royce, as Emirates has chosen its units to power
the new planes.

It will be worth up to $8.4bn for Rolls-Royce if Emirates does go on
to buy the additional 50 A350 planes.

"Emirates airlines is placing great faith in our A350 XWB and A380
programmes as well as our company and we are rightfully proud," said
Airbus president and chief executive Tom Enders.

The order is welcome good news for Airbus parent group EADS.

Last week EADS warned it may have to deepen planned restructuring and
job cuts after its losses for the July to September period worsened to
775m euros ($1.14bn; Ł541m), compared with 189m euros last year.

It already plans to cut 10,000 jobs at Airbus over the next four
years.

Airbus designs and makes its wings in the UK.


>The news stories below about Quantas seem to be dated January 2002.

>All the crashes caused by defective landing gear on the Bombardier Q400, are
>being reported in the past few weeks - in other words NOW!!

>When all of Europe is dumping the Bombardier Q400, and suing Bombardier for
>many billions, there is definitely something wrong with Bombardier!

>As well, the media report that there are at least another 2 crashes in Japan
>with the Bombardier Q400 this year.


>Now, the European Safety Agency is demanding a "crisis meeting" with Canadian
>officials, to discuss the risks to European travellers caused by the defective
>Bombardier junk!!  In a publicly issued statement, ESA promised to "take all
>measures to ensure the safety of European passengers and citizens".

>Competitors of Bumbardier, such as EMBRAER, BAC, and the US firms, must really
>be having a field day, now that they can tell potential buyers about all the
>crashes with Bombardier!!

>>On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:21:24 -0400, "Paul"  wrote:
>>>"Craig Welch"  wrote in message 
>>>news:05tci3p2r6alippljpsofvojef7csddj21@4ax.com...
>>>> Ned Kelly  said:

>>>>>As well the European Union are saying that most European airlines are now
>>>>>going to return all the Bombardier aircraft, following a number of crashes in
>>>>>the past few weeks, costing many airlines untold millions in damages due 
>>>>>tounsafe Bombardier aircraft. Mind you airlines such as Horizon Air and 
>>>>>Quantasstill are flying Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> There are no Quantas Bombardier aircraft.

>>>> Craig                           http://www.wazu.jp/
>>>> 1,239 Unicode fonts for 82 written language groups:
>>>> Price your own web plan: http://www.wazu.jp/hosting/
>>>I believe you are incorrect.

>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3078/is_200201/ai_n7819747

>>>http://www.smartmoney.com/news/on/index.cfm?story=ON-20071022-000552-1606 




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Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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Commission Cries ”Uncle”, Reveals Staff Spying in the Internet & Court Awards
Costs to Lemire

 
TORONTO. January 15, 2007. Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed
the appearance of his counsel, Barbara Kulaszka, for an hour and a half. Marc
Lemire walked out of Federal Court in Toronto today a happy man. By sheer
persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some
amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights
Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet
engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC
is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and
instigating.

 
After claiming Sec. 37, under the Canada Evidence Act  to rule out a number of
key questions to Canadian Human Rights Commission employees, the CHRC had
effectively shut down some important lines of inquiry. When this claim to not
divulge certain information is asserted by the government, the only recourse
is to seek judicial review in Federal Court. The information is placed before
a judge and he determines whether revealing the information would endanger
national security or the life or safety of a person. It might be used to keep
confidential the location of someone in the witness protection programme. It
is seldom used in civil court.

 
Marc Lemire contended all along that the Commission was hiding behind Sec. 37
to cover up their spying on Canadians. Following his oft repeated  motto “No
Surrender”, Mr. Lemire had persevered despite numerous Commission submissions
and manoevres made it clear he would go to Court, In a last minute effort to
avoid Court, the Commission’s outside lawyer Margot Blight gave in on all
points. Suddenly, what had once been information so sensitive it could not be
revealed without imperiling the public interest was disclosed. 

Among the information sought, protected but now revealed:

 
CHRC senior investigator Dean Steacy admitted: “I created the Jadewarr email
address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront,” a prominent White
Nationalist website. 
 Steacy claimed  to be “using the Jadewarr account in investigating Sec. 13
complaints.” Interestingly, he engaged Mr. Lemire, whom he was not
investigating, in private message exchanges.. 
Apparently, he was operating without instructions: “As an investigator I
decided how to  investigate.” 
 

As the Commission had withdrawn its Sec. 37 claim, there was little for Madam
Justice Carolyn Layden-Stevenson to decide. Mr. Lemire had asked her to direct
the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to re-open its hearing to permit the
re-calling of the Commission investigators, especially Mr. Steacy. 

Miss Kulaszka argued: “It is crucial to the Applicant that he have the right
to hear the answers directly from the witnesses and to be able to ask further
relevant questions. For example, given the disclosure that has been given, it
is now known that the anonymous poster, “Jadewarr” who twice attempted to
elicit information about or from Marc Lemire on the Stormfront message board,
was in fact Dean Steacy. Yet, he gave evidence before the Tribunal that
viewing of Stormfront would only occur pursuant to a complaint. The attempts
to elicit information from Mr. Lemire occurred in 2006, after the complaint
had already been sent to the  Tribunsal in August of 2005.”

 
The judge said she did not have the power to so direct the Tribunal.

 
Barbara Kulaszka forcefully argued that the Commission had delayed providing
this information and had used Sec. 37 as a stalling tactic to run up Mr.
Lemire’s costs. Mr. Lemire is a young father of two with very limited
resources.

The judge seemed to sympathize and awarded $1,500 in costs to Mr. Lemire.

In written submissions Douglas H. Christie, counsel for the Canadian Free
Speech League, which intervened on Mr. Lemire’s behalf, argued: “The
Commission, the Attorney General, and parties like ourselves are at a great
imbalance of financial resources. For this reason, it is appropriate that
adequate compensation be given to the Applicant for the costs of obtaining the
admission at the last minute. It appears the admission was only generated out
of the desire to avoid an adverse ruling.”

 
Mr. Lemire indicated that his defence team would be making an early
application to Tribunal  Member Athanasios Hadjis to re-open hearings so that
the witnesses, including Dean Steacy can be recalled. 

 
The Federal Court at 180 Queen St., West was packed. More chairs had to be
brought in twice and all extra chairs from the counsel table added to those
for the audience who streamed in from London, Kingston, Uxbridge, Port Credit,
St. Thomas. Ottawa and Penticton.

 

The hearing was delayed until 11:00 from its original 9:30 start. When it
commenced, it was quite short. The audience complained about the poor sound. A
wary commissionaire waved several people rising to object to silence. “This is
supposed to be a public hearing,” said Wolfgang Mueller and auditor and
spokesman for the Canadian Association for Free Expression. “How can it be
public when the public can’t hear and the authorities don’t seem to care. This
is not the first time we’ve been treated like this.”

 

At previous Richard Warman cases, since August, 2006 there has been heavy
security, including up to give government paid bodyguards for Warman and the
Commission lawyers.

 

“I see it must only be an orange alert today,” Paul Fromm representing the
Canadian Association for Free Expression which was intervening on Mr. Lemire’s
behalf said to Commission lawyer Margot Blight before the hearing. “I see
there are only the private security wanding all people entering, no Metro
Police, no bodyguards.”

 

Blight answered: “You don’t expect me to comment, do you?”

 

Ironically, this was the biggest crowd of supporters ever to attend one of the
Lemire hearings and it included several victims of Richard Warman. The
atmosphere was enthusiastic but peaceful.

 

“The bogus threat of security and the drama queen scene of Mr. Warman and
Commission lawyers even being accompanied to the washroom by bodyguards has
been a costly and deliberate tactic to vilify the victims, to make us appear
to be a threat. I’m glad that this time, both sides were allowed to approach
the bench on a level playing field,” Paul Fromm commented.

 






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Commission Cries ”Uncle”, Reveals Staff Spying in the Internet & Court Awards
Costs to Lemire

 
TORONTO. January 15, 2007. Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed
the appearance of his counsel, Barbara Kulaszka, for an hour and a half. Marc
Lemire walked out of Federal Court in Toronto today a happy man. By sheer
persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some
amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights
Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet
engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC
is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and
instigating.

 
After claiming Sec. 37, under the Canada Evidence Act  to rule out a number of
key questions to Canadian Human Rights Commission employees, the CHRC had
effectively shut down some important lines of inquiry. When this claim to not
divulge certain information is asserted by the government, the only recourse
is to seek judicial review in Federal Court. The information is placed before
a judge and he determines whether revealing the information would endanger
national security or the life or safety of a person. It might be used to keep
confidential the location of someone in the witness protection programme. It
is seldom used in civil court.

 
Marc Lemire contended all along that the Commission was hiding behind Sec. 37
to cover up their spying on Canadians. Following his oft repeated  motto “No
Surrender”, Mr. Lemire had persevered despite numerous Commission submissions
and manoevres made it clear he would go to Court, In a last minute effort to
avoid Court, the Commission’s outside lawyer Margot Blight gave in on all
points. Suddenly, what had once been information so sensitive it could not be
revealed without imperiling the public interest was disclosed. 

Among the information sought, protected but now revealed:

 
CHRC senior investigator Dean Steacy admitted: “I created the Jadewarr email
address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront,” a prominent White
Nationalist website. 
 Steacy claimed  to be “using the Jadewarr account in investigating Sec. 13
complaints.” Interestingly, he engaged Mr. Lemire, whom he was not
investigating, in private message exchanges.. 
Apparently, he was operating without instructions: “As an investigator I
decided how to  investigate.” 
 

As the Commission had withdrawn its Sec. 37 claim, there was little for Madam
Justice Carolyn Layden-Stevenson to decide. Mr. Lemire had asked her to direct
the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to re-open its hearing to permit the
re-calling of the Commission investigators, especially Mr. Steacy. 

Miss Kulaszka argued: “It is crucial to the Applicant that he have the right
to hear the answers directly from the witnesses and to be able to ask further
relevant questions. For example, given the disclosure that has been given, it
is now known that the anonymous poster, “Jadewarr” who twice attempted to
elicit information about or from Marc Lemire on the Stormfront message board,
was in fact Dean Steacy. Yet, he gave evidence before the Tribunal that
viewing of Stormfront would only occur pursuant to a complaint. The attempts
to elicit information from Mr. Lemire occurred in 2006, after the complaint
had already been sent to the  Tribunsal in August of 2005.”

 
The judge said she did not have the power to so direct the Tribunal.

 
Barbara Kulaszka forcefully argued that the Commission had delayed providing
this information and had used Sec. 37 as a stalling tactic to run up Mr.
Lemire’s costs. Mr. Lemire is a young father of two with very limited
resources.

The judge seemed to sympathize and awarded $1,500 in costs to Mr. Lemire.

In written submissions Douglas H. Christie, counsel for the Canadian Free
Speech League, which intervened on Mr. Lemire’s behalf, argued: “The
Commission, the Attorney General, and parties like ourselves are at a great
imbalance of financial resources. For this reason, it is appropriate that
adequate compensation be given to the Applicant for the costs of obtaining the
admission at the last minute. It appears the admission was only generated out
of the desire to avoid an adverse ruling.”

 
Mr. Lemire indicated that his defence team would be making an early
application to Tribunal  Member Athanasios Hadjis to re-open hearings so that
the witnesses, including Dean Steacy can be recalled. 

 
The Federal Court at 180 Queen St., West was packed. More chairs had to be
brought in twice and all extra chairs from the counsel table added to those
for the audience who streamed in from London, Kingston, Uxbridge, Port Credit,
St. Thomas. Ottawa and Penticton.

 

The hearing was delayed until 11:00 from its original 9:30 start. When it
commenced, it was quite short. The audience complained about the poor sound. A
wary commissionaire waved several people rising to object to silence. “This is
supposed to be a public hearing,” said Wolfgang Mueller and auditor and
spokesman for the Canadian Association for Free Expression. “How can it be
public when the public can’t hear and the authorities don’t seem to care. This
is not the first time we’ve been treated like this.”

 

At previous Richard Warman cases, since August, 2006 there has been heavy
security, including up to give government paid bodyguards for Warman and the
Commission lawyers.

 

“I see it must only be an orange alert today,” Paul Fromm representing the
Canadian Association for Free Expression which was intervening on Mr. Lemire’s
behalf said to Commission lawyer Margot Blight before the hearing. “I see
there are only the private security wanding all people entering, no Metro
Police, no bodyguards.”

 

Blight answered: “You don’t expect me to comment, do you?”

 

Ironically, this was the biggest crowd of supporters ever to attend one of the
Lemire hearings and it included several victims of Richard Warman. The
atmosphere was enthusiastic but peaceful.

 

“The bogus threat of security and the drama queen scene of Mr. Warman and
Commission lawyers even being accompanied to the washroom by bodyguards has
been a costly and deliberate tactic to vilify the victims, to make us appear
to be a threat. I’m glad that this time, both sides were allowed to approach
the bench on a level playing field,” Paul Fromm commented.

 






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Now, detailed in a half-page banner headline story in the SUN, 5 city
councillors are demanding detailed information about the massive scam 
of $12 MILLION by EDE!!

It seems that there are many financial irregularities by the few pigs on the
payroll at EDE.

The SUN had exposed that former executives spent more than a 
QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for overseas and US trips that had 
no benefit for the city.

Staff also doubled up expense claims, and submitted some without any receipts.

As councillor Sload stated at this week's council meeting," It was very hard
to distinguish, or follow the money."

EDE still refuse to show, WHAT, if anything taxpayers actually get for all the
many millions.

EDE can not show even one business, with any jobs, in exchange for all the
money.

This in contrast to the Chamber of Commerce, who get no city money, but do
bring new businesses, and jobs to Edmonton.

TIME TO STOP PAYING FOR EDE - NOT ONE CENT MORE!!

In a rare admission of candor, Mare Mandel admitted to media that the 
city and EDE have been completely incompetent in attracting new 
business to Deadmonton.

Mind you, Grosvenor and Sharx have been stating this for years!!

Why should taxpayers be giving the friends of the mare, $8 MILLION 
a year, just to wine and dine each other, without any provable results?

To add insult to injury, the Chamber of Commerce gets NO CITY FUNDS, 
but does attract new businesses.

NOW IS THE TIME TO DISSOLVE EDE, AND SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY!!
We do not need to continue to be JEWED!!

Calgary seems to be doing a great job of attracting new businesses, without
jewing the taxpayers.

Same as they did about their photo radar!! Now the revenues go to Calgary, 
not some crooks in the states,who bribed local cops in Edmonton!

Perhaps Mare Mandel should hire Ipsos-Reid, who themselves left Edmonton 
for Calgary, to find out why Edmonton is so undesirable to businesses?


On 2 Feb 2006 11:16:12 -0800, "Loaf of Bread" 
wrote:
>Pat Humphrey wrote:
>> Another major business is leaving Edmonton, citing high costs of doing
>> business.
>>
>> After 17 years, Ipsos-Reid will be gone by the end of the month, joining the
>> exodus of larger firms that have decided to avoid doing business in the
>> anti-business city.
>>
>> Now, all the parasites in town will try to come up with all kinds of excuses,
>> other than the fact is, this city's administration are full of crooks!

The Edmonton Journal quoted the Ipsos executive, who stated the firm
had been in Edmonton 17 years, much longer even than the executive had
been with Ipsos.

Now Ipsos can join all the other businesses leaving Deadmonton, for
better cities.

>According to IPSOS own press release, the call centre has only been
>open five years, not seventeen as you claim.  You also neglect to
>mention one reason for the closure is difficulty finding enough workers
>in the highly competitive labour market.

>Edmonton, AB - Ipsos Reid formally announced today that it will close
>its Edmonton call centre effective February 28, 2006. The Edmonton
>centre has been in operation since October 2000 and employs
>approximately 200 people.

>"The decision to close the Edmonton call centre was a difficult one,
>but it has been increasingly difficult to staff the centre to full
>capacity in the highly competitive labour market of Edmonton," said
>Leslie Speirs, Senior Vice President, CATI Interviewing Services for
>Ipsos. The company noted that the call center lease expires in March
>2006 and with a major tenant slated to take over the space, the call
>centre would have been forced to move and rebuild which carries
>significant business costs associated with it. "These two factors,
>combined, caused us to make the business decision to close our
>operations" she said.

>Work will be shifted to other Ipsos Reid call centres in Winnipeg,
>Ottawa and Montreal. Ipsos will continue to maintain over 750 telephone
>interviewing stations in Canada.

>Ipsos Reid has notified the Alberta Department of Labour and will work
>with them to identify appropriate opportunities for Ipsos employees and
>to access available government support and services. All employees will
>be provided with four weeks of working notice during which we will
>support their efforts to find work. The company has also arranged
>workshops to assist employees in writing resumes and interviewing for
>new positions and are offering a resume- review service to ensure
>employees are well equipped as they begin their job searches.
>
>http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2961


A few possible reasons would include:
-Edmonton being the crime capital of Canada
-too many crooked cops, with worldwide video of police brutality
-crooked city tax assessors giving special deals to friends
-mare and council subsidizing businesses, at cost of all taxpayers
-incompetent or crooked scholl boards, losing millions with no one charged 
-the fact that the city can not adequately remove snowfalls

Readers, and even business owners, are invited to add their reasons below, 
as to why business owners are avaoiding Deadmonton



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Costs to Lemire

 
TORONTO. January 15, 2007. Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed
the appearance of his counsel, Barbara Kulaszka, for an hour and a half. Marc
Lemire walked out of Federal Court in Toronto today a happy man. By sheer
persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some
amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights
Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet
engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC
is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and
instigating.

 
After claiming Sec. 37, under the Canada Evidence Act  to rule out a number of
key questions to Canadian Human Rights Commission employees, the CHRC had
effectively shut down some important lines of inquiry. When this claim to not
divulge certain information is asserted by the government, the only recourse
is to seek judicial review in Federal Court. The information is placed before
a judge and he determines whether revealing the information would endanger
national security or the life or safety of a person. It might be used to keep
confidential the location of someone in the witness protection programme. It
is seldom used in civil court.

 
Marc Lemire contended all along that the Commission was hiding behind Sec. 37
to cover up their spying on Canadians. Following his oft repeated  motto “No
Surrender”, Mr. Lemire had persevered despite numerous Commission submissions
and manoevres made it clear he would go to Court, In a last minute effort to
avoid Court, the Commission’s outside lawyer Margot Blight gave in on all
points. Suddenly, what had once been information so sensitive it could not be
revealed without imperiling the public interest was disclosed. 

Among the information sought, protected but now revealed:

 
CHRC senior investigator Dean Steacy admitted: “I created the Jadewarr email
address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront,” a prominent White
Nationalist website. 
 Steacy claimed  to be “using the Jadewarr account in investigating Sec. 13
complaints.” Interestingly, he engaged Mr. Lemire, whom he was not
investigating, in private message exchanges.. 
Apparently, he was operating without instructions: “As an investigator I
decided how to  investigate.” 
 

As the Commission had withdrawn its Sec. 37 claim, there was little for Madam
Justice Carolyn Layden-Stevenson to decide. Mr. Lemire had asked her to direct
the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to re-open its hearing to permit the
re-calling of the Commission investigators, especially Mr. Steacy. 

Miss Kulaszka argued: “It is crucial to the Applicant that he have the right
to hear the answers directly from the witnesses and to be able to ask further
relevant questions. For example, given the disclosure that has been given, it
is now known that the anonymous poster, “Jadewarr” who twice attempted to
elicit information about or from Marc Lemire on the Stormfront message board,
was in fact Dean Steacy. Yet, he gave evidence before the Tribunal that
viewing of Stormfront would only occur pursuant to a complaint. The attempts
to elicit information from Mr. Lemire occurred in 2006, after the complaint
had already been sent to the  Tribunsal in August of 2005.”

 
The judge said she did not have the power to so direct the Tribunal.

 
Barbara Kulaszka forcefully argued that the Commission had delayed providing
this information and had used Sec. 37 as a stalling tactic to run up Mr.
Lemire’s costs. Mr. Lemire is a young father of two with very limited
resources.

The judge seemed to sympathize and awarded $1,500 in costs to Mr. Lemire.

In written submissions Douglas H. Christie, counsel for the Canadian Free
Speech League, which intervened on Mr. Lemire’s behalf, argued: “The
Commission, the Attorney General, and parties like ourselves are at a great
imbalance of financial resources. For this reason, it is appropriate that
adequate compensation be given to the Applicant for the costs of obtaining the
admission at the last minute. It appears the admission was only generated out
of the desire to avoid an adverse ruling.”

 
Mr. Lemire indicated that his defence team would be making an early
application to Tribunal  Member Athanasios Hadjis to re-open hearings so that
the witnesses, including Dean Steacy can be recalled. 

 
The Federal Court at 180 Queen St., West was packed. More chairs had to be
brought in twice and all extra chairs from the counsel table added to those
for the audience who streamed in from London, Kingston, Uxbridge, Port Credit,
St. Thomas. Ottawa and Penticton.

 

The hearing was delayed until 11:00 from its original 9:30 start. When it
commenced, it was quite short. The audience complained about the poor sound. A
wary commissionaire waved several people rising to object to silence. “This is
supposed to be a public hearing,” said Wolfgang Mueller and auditor and
spokesman for the Canadian Association for Free Expression. “How can it be
public when the public can’t hear and the authorities don’t seem to care. This
is not the first time we’ve been treated like this.”

 

At previous Richard Warman cases, since August, 2006 there has been heavy
security, including up to give government paid bodyguards for Warman and the
Commission lawyers.

 

“I see it must only be an orange alert today,” Paul Fromm representing the
Canadian Association for Free Expression which was intervening on Mr. Lemire’s
behalf said to Commission lawyer Margot Blight before the hearing. “I see
there are only the private security wanding all people entering, no Metro
Police, no bodyguards.”

 

Blight answered: “You don’t expect me to comment, do you?”

 

Ironically, this was the biggest crowd of supporters ever to attend one of the
Lemire hearings and it included several victims of Richard Warman. The
atmosphere was enthusiastic but peaceful.

 

“The bogus threat of security and the drama queen scene of Mr. Warman and
Commission lawyers even being accompanied to the washroom by bodyguards has
been a costly and deliberate tactic to vilify the victims, to make us appear
to be a threat. I’m glad that this time, both sides were allowed to approach
the bench on a level playing field,” Paul Fromm commented.

 






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TORONTO. January 15, 2007. Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed
the appearance of his counsel, Barbara Kulaszka, for an hour and a half. Marc
Lemire walked out of Federal Court in Toronto today a happy man. By sheer
persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some
amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights
Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet
engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC
is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and
instigating.

 
After claiming Sec. 37, under the Canada Evidence Act  to rule out a number of
key questions to Canadian Human Rights Commission employees, the CHRC had
effectively shut down some important lines of inquiry. When this claim to not
divulge certain information is asserted by the government, the only recourse
is to seek judicial review in Federal Court. The information is placed before
a judge and he determines whether revealing the information would endanger
national security or the life or safety of a person. It might be used to keep
confidential the location of someone in the witness protection programme. It
is seldom used in civil court.

 
Marc Lemire contended all along that the Commission was hiding behind Sec. 37
to cover up their spying on Canadians. Following his oft repeated  motto “No
Surrender”, Mr. Lemire had persevered despite numerous Commission submissions
and manoevres made it clear he would go to Court, In a last minute effort to
avoid Court, the Commission’s outside lawyer Margot Blight gave in on all
points. Suddenly, what had once been information so sensitive it could not be
revealed without imperiling the public interest was disclosed. 

Among the information sought, protected but now revealed:

 
CHRC senior investigator Dean Steacy admitted: “I created the Jadewarr email
address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront,” a prominent White
Nationalist website. 
 Steacy claimed  to be “using the Jadewarr account in investigating Sec. 13
complaints.” Interestingly, he engaged Mr. Lemire, whom he was not
investigating, in private message exchanges.. 
Apparently, he was operating without instructions: “As an investigator I
decided how to  investigate.” 
 

As the Commission had withdrawn its Sec. 37 claim, there was little for Madam
Justice Carolyn Layden-Stevenson to decide. Mr. Lemire had asked her to direct
the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to re-open its hearing to permit the
re-calling of the Commission investigators, especially Mr. Steacy. 

Miss Kulaszka argued: “It is crucial to the Applicant that he have the right
to hear the answers directly from the witnesses and to be able to ask further
relevant questions. For example, given the disclosure that has been given, it
is now known that the anonymous poster, “Jadewarr” who twice attempted to
elicit information about or from Marc Lemire on the Stormfront message board,
was in fact Dean Steacy. Yet, he gave evidence before the Tribunal that
viewing of Stormfront would only occur pursuant to a complaint. The attempts
to elicit information from Mr. Lemire occurred in 2006, after the complaint
had already been sent to the  Tribunsal in August of 2005.”

 
The judge said she did not have the power to so direct the Tribunal.

 
Barbara Kulaszka forcefully argued that the Commission had delayed providing
this information and had used Sec. 37 as a stalling tactic to run up Mr.
Lemire’s costs. Mr. Lemire is a young father of two with very limited
resources.

The judge seemed to sympathize and awarded $1,500 in costs to Mr. Lemire.

In written submissions Douglas H. Christie, counsel for the Canadian Free
Speech League, which intervened on Mr. Lemire’s behalf, argued: “The
Commission, the Attorney General, and parties like ourselves are at a great
imbalance of financial resources. For this reason, it is appropriate that
adequate compensation be given to the Applicant for the costs of obtaining the
admission at the last minute. It appears the admission was only generated out
of the desire to avoid an adverse ruling.”

 
Mr. Lemire indicated that his defence team would be making an early
application to Tribunal  Member Athanasios Hadjis to re-open hearings so that
the witnesses, including Dean Steacy can be recalled. 

 
The Federal Court at 180 Queen St., West was packed. More chairs had to be
brought in twice and all extra chairs from the counsel table added to those
for the audience who streamed in from London, Kingston, Uxbridge, Port Credit,
St. Thomas. Ottawa and Penticton.

 

The hearing was delayed until 11:00 from its original 9:30 start. When it
commenced, it was quite short. The audience complained about the poor sound. A
wary commissionaire waved several people rising to object to silence. “This is
supposed to be a public hearing,” said Wolfgang Mueller and auditor and
spokesman for the Canadian Association for Free Expression. “How can it be
public when the public can’t hear and the authorities don’t seem to care. This
is not the first time we’ve been treated like this.”

 

At previous Richard Warman cases, since August, 2006 there has been heavy
security, including up to give government paid bodyguards for Warman and the
Commission lawyers.

 

“I see it must only be an orange alert today,” Paul Fromm representing the
Canadian Association for Free Expression which was intervening on Mr. Lemire’s
behalf said to Commission lawyer Margot Blight before the hearing. “I see
there are only the private security wanding all people entering, no Metro
Police, no bodyguards.”

 

Blight answered: “You don’t expect me to comment, do you?”

 

Ironically, this was the biggest crowd of supporters ever to attend one of the
Lemire hearings and it included several victims of Richard Warman. The
atmosphere was enthusiastic but peaceful.

 

“The bogus threat of security and the drama queen scene of Mr. Warman and
Commission lawyers even being accompanied to the washroom by bodyguards has
been a costly and deliberate tactic to vilify the victims, to make us appear
to be a threat. I’m glad that this time, both sides were allowed to approach
the bench on a level playing field,” Paul Fromm commented.

 






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Costs to Lemire

 
TORONTO. January 15, 2007. Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed
the appearance of his counsel, Barbara Kulaszka, for an hour and a half. Marc
Lemire walked out of Federal Court in Toronto today a happy man. By sheer
persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some
amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights
Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet
engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC
is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and
instigating.

 
After claiming Sec. 37, under the Canada Evidence Act  to rule out a number of
key questions to Canadian Human Rights Commission employees, the CHRC had
effectively shut down some important lines of inquiry. When this claim to not
divulge certain information is asserted by the government, the only recourse
is to seek judicial review in Federal Court. The information is placed before
a judge and he determines whether revealing the information would endanger
national security or the life or safety of a person. It might be used to keep
confidential the location of someone in the witness protection programme. It
is seldom used in civil court.

 
Marc Lemire contended all along that the Commission was hiding behind Sec. 37
to cover up their spying on Canadians. Following his oft repeated  motto “No
Surrender”, Mr. Lemire had persevered despite numerous Commission submissions
and manoevres made it clear he would go to Court, In a last minute effort to
avoid Court, the Commission’s outside lawyer Margot Blight gave in on all
points. Suddenly, what had once been information so sensitive it could not be
revealed without imperiling the public interest was disclosed. 

Among the information sought, protected but now revealed:

 
CHRC senior investigator Dean Steacy admitted: “I created the Jadewarr email
address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront,” a prominent White
Nationalist website. 
 Steacy claimed  to be “using the Jadewarr account in investigating Sec. 13
complaints.” Interestingly, he engaged Mr. Lemire, whom he was not
investigating, in private message exchanges.. 
Apparently, he was operating without instructions: “As an investigator I
decided how to  investigate.” 
 

As the Commission had withdrawn its Sec. 37 claim, there was little for Madam
Justice Carolyn Layden-Stevenson to decide. Mr. Lemire had asked her to direct
the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to re-open its hearing to permit the
re-calling of the Commission investigators, especially Mr. Steacy. 

Miss Kulaszka argued: “It is crucial to the Applicant that he have the right
to hear the answers directly from the witnesses and to be able to ask further
relevant questions. For example, given the disclosure that has been given, it
is now known that the anonymous poster, “Jadewarr” who twice attempted to
elicit information about or from Marc Lemire on the Stormfront message board,
was in fact Dean Steacy. Yet, he gave evidence before the Tribunal that
viewing of Stormfront would only occur pursuant to a complaint. The attempts
to elicit information from Mr. Lemire occurred in 2006, after the complaint
had already been sent to the  Tribunsal in August of 2005.”

 
The judge said she did not have the power to so direct the Tribunal.

 
Barbara Kulaszka forcefully argued that the Commission had delayed providing
this information and had used Sec. 37 as a stalling tactic to run up Mr.
Lemire’s costs. Mr. Lemire is a young father of two with very limited
resources.

The judge seemed to sympathize and awarded $1,500 in costs to Mr. Lemire.

In written submissions Douglas H. Christie, counsel for the Canadian Free
Speech League, which intervened on Mr. Lemire’s behalf, argued: “The
Commission, the Attorney General, and parties like ourselves are at a great
imbalance of financial resources. For this reason, it is appropriate that
adequate compensation be given to the Applicant for the costs of obtaining the
admission at the last minute. It appears the admission was only generated out
of the desire to avoid an adverse ruling.”

 
Mr. Lemire indicated that his defence team would be making an early
application to Tribunal  Member Athanasios Hadjis to re-open hearings so that
the witnesses, including Dean Steacy can be recalled. 

 
The Federal Court at 180 Queen St., West was packed. More chairs had to be
brought in twice and all extra chairs from the counsel table added to those
for the audience who streamed in from London, Kingston, Uxbridge, Port Credit,
St. Thomas. Ottawa and Penticton.

 

The hearing was delayed until 11:00 from its original 9:30 start. When it
commenced, it was quite short. The audience complained about the poor sound. A
wary commissionaire waved several people rising to object to silence. “This is
supposed to be a public hearing,” said Wolfgang Mueller and auditor and
spokesman for the Canadian Association for Free Expression. “How can it be
public when the public can’t hear and the authorities don’t seem to care. This
is not the first time we’ve been treated like this.”

 

At previous Richard Warman cases, since August, 2006 there has been heavy
security, including up to give government paid bodyguards for Warman and the
Commission lawyers.

 

“I see it must only be an orange alert today,” Paul Fromm representing the
Canadian Association for Free Expression which was intervening on Mr. Lemire’s
behalf said to Commission lawyer Margot Blight before the hearing. “I see
there are only the private security wanding all people entering, no Metro
Police, no bodyguards.”

 

Blight answered: “You don’t expect me to comment, do you?”

 

Ironically, this was the biggest crowd of supporters ever to attend one of the
Lemire hearings and it included several victims of Richard Warman. The
atmosphere was enthusiastic but peaceful.

 

“The bogus threat of security and the drama queen scene of Mr. Warman and
Commission lawyers even being accompanied to the washroom by bodyguards has
been a costly and deliberate tactic to vilify the victims, to make us appear
to be a threat. I’m glad that this time, both sides were allowed to approach
the bench on a level playing field,” Paul Fromm commented.

 






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TORONTO. January 15, 2007. Despite an Eastern Ontario snowfall that delayed
the appearance of his counsel, Barbara Kulaszka, for an hour and a half. Marc
Lemire walked out of Federal Court in Toronto today a happy man. By sheer
persistence, he had wrung out of the Canadian Human Rights Commissions some
amazing admissions. At least one investigator for the Canadian Human Rights
Commission has adopted a false Internet persona and trolled the Internet
engaging in conversations with prospective victims. In other words, the CHRC
is spying on Canadians, not observing and investigating, but participating and
instigating.

 
After claiming Sec. 37, under the Canada Evidence Act  to rule out a number of
key questions to Canadian Human Rights Commission employees, the CHRC had
effectively shut down some important lines of inquiry. When this claim to not
divulge certain information is asserted by the government, the only recourse
is to seek judicial review in Federal Court. The information is placed before
a judge and he determines whether revealing the information would endanger
national security or the life or safety of a person. It might be used to keep
confidential the location of someone in the witness protection programme. It
is seldom used in civil court.

 
Marc Lemire contended all along that the Commission was hiding behind Sec. 37
to cover up their spying on Canadians. Following his oft repeated  motto “No
Surrender”, Mr. Lemire had persevered despite numerous Commission submissions
and manoevres made it clear he would go to Court, In a last minute effort to
avoid Court, the Commission’s outside lawyer Margot Blight gave in on all
points. Suddenly, what had once been information so sensitive it could not be
revealed without imperiling the public interest was disclosed. 

Among the information sought, protected but now revealed:

 
CHRC senior investigator Dean Steacy admitted: “I created the Jadewarr email
address on yahoo.ca and the Jadewarr account on Stormfront,” a prominent White
Nationalist website. 
 Steacy claimed  to be “using the Jadewarr account in investigating Sec. 13
complaints.” Interestingly, he engaged Mr. Lemire, whom he was not
investigating, in private message exchanges.. 
Apparently, he was operating without instructions: “As an investigator I
decided how to  investigate.” 
 

As the Commission had withdrawn its Sec. 37 claim, there was little for Madam
Justice Carolyn Layden-Stevenson to decide. Mr. Lemire had asked her to direct
the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal to re-open its hearing to permit the
re-calling of the Commission investigators, especially Mr. Steacy. 

Miss Kulaszka argued: “It is crucial to the Applicant that he have the right
to hear the answers directly from the witnesses and to be able to ask further
relevant questions. For example, given the disclosure that has been given, it
is now known that the anonymous poster, “Jadewarr” who twice attempted to
elicit information about or from Marc Lemire on the Stormfront message board,
was in fact Dean Steacy. Yet, he gave evidence before the Tribunal that
viewing of Stormfront would only occur pursuant to a complaint. The attempts
to elicit information from Mr. Lemire occurred in 2006, after the complaint
had already been sent to the  Tribunsal in August of 2005.”

 
The judge said she did not have the power to so direct the Tribunal.

 
Barbara Kulaszka forcefully argued that the Commission had delayed providing
this information and had used Sec. 37 as a stalling tactic to run up Mr.
Lemire’s costs. Mr. Lemire is a young father of two with very limited
resources.

The judge seemed to sympathize and awarded $1,500 in costs to Mr. Lemire.

In written submissions Douglas H. Christie, counsel for the Canadian Free
Speech League, which intervened on Mr. Lemire’s behalf, argued: “The
Commission, the Attorney General, and parties like ourselves are at a great
imbalance of financial resources. For this reason, it is appropriate that
adequate compensation be given to the Applicant for the costs of obtaining the
admission at the last minute. It appears the admission was only generated out
of the desire to avoid an adverse ruling.”

 
Mr. Lemire indicated that his defence team would be making an early
application to Tribunal  Member Athanasios Hadjis to re-open hearings so that
the witnesses, including Dean Steacy can be recalled. 

 
The Federal Court at 180 Queen St., West was packed. More chairs had to be
brought in twice and all extra chairs from the counsel table added to those
for the audience who streamed in from London, Kingston, Uxbridge, Port Credit,
St. Thomas. Ottawa and Penticton.

 

The hearing was delayed until 11:00 from its original 9:30 start. When it
commenced, it was quite short. The audience complained about the poor sound. A
wary commissionaire waved several people rising to object to silence. “This is
supposed to be a public hearing,” said Wolfgang Mueller and auditor and
spokesman for the Canadian Association for Free Expression. “How can it be
public when the public can’t hear and the authorities don’t seem to care. This
is not the first time we’ve been treated like this.”

 

At previous Richard Warman cases, since August, 2006 there has been heavy
security, including up to give government paid bodyguards for Warman and the
Commission lawyers.

 

“I see it must only be an orange alert today,” Paul Fromm representing the
Canadian Association for Free Expression which was intervening on Mr. Lemire’s
behalf said to Commission lawyer Margot Blight before the hearing. “I see
there are only the private security wanding all people entering, no Metro
Police, no bodyguards.”

 

Blight answered: “You don’t expect me to comment, do you?”

 

Ironically, this was the biggest crowd of supporters ever to attend one of the
Lemire hearings and it included several victims of Richard Warman. The
atmosphere was enthusiastic but peaceful.

 

“The bogus threat of security and the drama queen scene of Mr. Warman and
Commission lawyers even being accompanied to the washroom by bodyguards has
been a costly and deliberate tactic to vilify the victims, to make us appear
to be a threat. I’m glad that this time, both sides were allowed to approach
the bench on a level playing field,” Paul Fromm commented.

 







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