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Whitmore, the repat sex offender of children, together with the judges
who kept letting him out and gave him minimal sentences to boot, all
deserve the death penalty!!

In open population in any max prison, the prisoners would give this
beast the justice whicvh the slimy judges failed to do.

Why was Whitmore nott declared an habitual criminal, and sentenced to
life in prison, with no parole, as stipulated by law?

Why, when Whitmore kept repeating this heinous crime, did not one of
the clearly incompetent judges, presumably politically correct, not
give him a deterrent sentence?

How many children need to be molested, before a judge gets the
picture?
Perhaps if a judge had had his son or daughter molested, would that
have caught his concern about the victims and the general public,
instead of concern for filth such as Whitmore?

Perhaps it is now time for lynch law, where the public can immediately
execute natural justice?

Remember - an executed criminal will never re-offend!!


On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:29:58 GMT, "Aeroplan"  wrote:

>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2006/08/01/boy-found.html
>
>A 10-year-old boy, one of two youths at the the centre of a massive search 
>after allegedly being abducted by a convicted sex offender, has been found 
>and is alive and well.
>
>RCMP said Tuesday that Zachary Miller of Whitewood, Sask., was found near 
>Kipling, Sask., about 170 kilometres southeast of Regina.
>
>"We now have Zachary with us and we are reuniting him with his family," RCMP 
>spokeswoman Heather Russell said. "He appears to be in good condition."
>
>Police said a resident of the Kipling area spotted an abandoned van that 
>matched the description of the vehicle police had been searching for.  While 
>the person was investigating, a young boy ran out of a farm building, 
>located about 17 kilometres east of Kipling.
>
>Police immediately cordoned off the area and an emergency response team was 
>dispatched, said RCMP spokeswoman Heather Russell at around 2:20 p.m CT.
>
>Jordan Bruyere, a 14-year-old boy from Winnipeg, and Miller were believed to 
>be with Peter Robert Joseph Whitmore, a convicted child abuser seen in the 
>Whitewood area in the past few days.
>
>Police believe Whitmore and Bruyere are still on the property.
>
>Police issued an Amber Alert after Zachary disappeared from Whitewood 
>Sunday. They also issued a Canada-wide arrest warrant for Whitmore for 
>abduction.
>
>Whitmore has spent time in prision for sex crimes involving children. He 
>served 16 months in custody after being convicted in Ontario in 1993 of 
>abduction and sexual offences involving four boys.
>
>Just nine days after he was released, he took an eight-year-old girl from 
>Guelph, Ont., to Toronto. He received a 56-month sentence for a sex offence 
>involving the girl.
>
>While there was joy for the Miller family Tuesday afternoon, the Manitoba 
>family of Jordan Bruyere was still waiting for good news.
>
>Earlier in the day, a Whitewood resident said he had met with Whitmore and 
>Bruyere on July 28 and the boy appeared to be in good physical condition.
>
>Kevin White, who has a car dealership in the town, said a man whose van 
>needed a tire came in to his business accompanied by an aboriginal youth. 
>White said he later saw photos on the internet and confirmed he saw Whitmore 
>and Bruyere.
>
>Jordan's aunt phoned him last night to find out what happened.
>
>"I basically told them he didn't seem to be physically abused," White said. 
>"There were no bruises or anything. He wasn't visibly upset. He was just 
>very quiet."
>
>
>



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Whitmore, the repat sex offender of children, together with the judges
who kept letting him out and gave him minimal sentences to boot, all
deserve the death penalty!!

In open population in any max prison, the prisoners would give this
beast the justice whicvh the slimy judges failed to do.

Why was Whitmore nott declared an habitual criminal, and sentenced to
life in prison, with no parole, as stipulated by law?

Why, when Whitmore kept repeating this heinous crime, did not one of
the clearly incompetent judges, presumably politically correct, not
give him a deterrent sentence?

How many children need to be molested, before a judge gets the
picture?
Perhaps if a judge had had his son or daughter molested, would that
have caught his concern about the victims and the general public,
instead of concern for filth such as Whitmore?

Perhaps it is now time for lynch law, where the public can immediately
execute natural justice?

Remember - an executed criminal will never re-offend!!


On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:50:55 -0400, "Spokesman"  wrote:
>"Aeroplan"  wrote in message
>news:GBQzg.182517$S61.143933@edtnps90...
>> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2006/08/01/boy-found.html
>>
>> A 10-year-old boy, one of two youths at the the centre of a massive search
>> after allegedly being abducted by a convicted sex offender, has been found
>> and is alive and well.
>>
>> RCMP said Tuesday that Zachary Miller of Whitewood, Sask., was found near
>> Kipling, Sask., about 170 kilometres southeast of Regina.
>>
>> "We now have Zachary with us and we are reuniting him with his family,"
>RCMP
>> spokeswoman Heather Russell said. "He appears to be in good condition."
>>
>> Police said a resident of the Kipling area spotted an abandoned van that
>> matched the description of the vehicle police had been searching for.
>While
>> the person was investigating, a young boy ran out of a farm building,
>> located about 17 kilometres east of Kipling.
>
>Thankfully he was able to escape from the homosexual that had abducted
>him. After molesting so many children one would wonder why he was
>still alive and wandering about without any supervision.
>

>> Police immediately cordoned off the area and an emergency response team
>was
>> dispatched, said RCMP spokeswoman Heather Russell at around 2:20 p.m CT.
>>
>> Jordan Bruyere, a 14-year-old boy from Winnipeg, and Miller were believed
>to
>> be with Peter Robert Joseph Whitmore, a convicted child abuser seen in the
>> Whitewood area in the past few days.
>>
>> Police believe Whitmore and Bruyere are still on the property.
>>
>> Police issued an Amber Alert after Zachary disappeared from Whitewood
>> Sunday. They also issued a Canada-wide arrest warrant for Whitmore for
>> abduction.
>>
>> Whitmore has spent time in prision for sex crimes involving children. He
>> served 16 months in custody after being convicted in Ontario in 1993 of
>> abduction and sexual offences involving four boys.
>>
>> Just nine days after he was released, he took an eight-year-old girl from
>> Guelph, Ont., to Toronto. He received a 56-month sentence for a sex
>offence
>> involving the girl.
>>
>> While there was joy for the Miller family Tuesday afternoon, the Manitoba
>> family of Jordan Bruyere was still waiting for good news.
>>
>> Earlier in the day, a Whitewood resident said he had met with Whitmore and
>> Bruyere on July 28 and the boy appeared to be in good physical condition.
>>
>> Kevin White, who has a car dealership in the town, said a man whose van
>> needed a tire came in to his business accompanied by an aboriginal youth.
>> White said he later saw photos on the internet and confirmed he saw
>Whitmore
>> and Bruyere.
>>
>> Jordan's aunt phoned him last night to find out what happened.
>>
>> "I basically told them he didn't seem to be physically abused," White
>said.
>> "There were no bruises or anything. He wasn't visibly upset. He was just
>> very quiet."



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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:06:24 -0700, Alfred Kaufmann
 wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:37:20 GMT, John Buchan
> wrote:
>
>>Whitmore, the repat sex offender of children, together with the judges
>>who kept letting him out and gave him minimal sentences to boot, all
>>deserve the death penalty!!
>
>Why stop there, what about the politicians that created the laws? Then
>you have to deal with the public that elected the politicians that
>created the laws and appointed the judges.


The crooked judges who continued to allow this homo child sex molester
out on the streeets, time after time, are the ones who need to be put
into cells together with their pet molester!!

They had the power to designate him an habitual offender, whereby he
is entitled to life in prison. Put into the general population he
would be no problem within 24 hours!

>>Perhaps it is now time for lynch law, where the public can immediately
>>execute natural justice?
>
>Oh, I see, you are letting the public off the hook.  How convenient
>because there would be no one left to act as hangman.

If lynch law was applicable, there would be no lack of people to hang
him, and his judges!!




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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:06:24 -0700, Alfred Kaufmann
 wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:37:20 GMT, John Buchan
> wrote:
>
>>Whitmore, the repat sex offender of children, together with the judges
>>who kept letting him out and gave him minimal sentences to boot, all
>>deserve the death penalty!!
>
>Why stop there, what about the politicians that created the laws? Then
>you have to deal with the public that elected the politicians that
>created the laws and appointed the judges.


The crooked judges who continued to allow this homo child sex molester
out on the streeets, time after time, are the ones who need to be put
into cells together with their pet molester!!

They had the power to designate him an habitual offender, whereby he
is entitled to life in prison. Put into the general population he
would be no problem within 24 hours!

>>Perhaps it is now time for lynch law, where the public can immediately
>>execute natural justice?
>
>Oh, I see, you are letting the public off the hook.  How convenient
>because there would be no one left to act as hangman.

If lynch law was applicable, there would be no lack of people to hang
him, and his judges!!




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Whitmore, the repat sex offender of children, together with the judges
who kept letting him out and gave him minimal sentences to boot, all
deserve the death penalty!!

In open population in any max prison, the prisoners would give this
beast the justice whicvh the slimy judges failed to do.

Why was Whitmore nott declared an habitual criminal, and sentenced to
life in prison, with no parole, as stipulated by law?

Why, when Whitmore kept repeating this heinous crime, did not one of
the clearly incompetent judges, presumably politically correct, not
give him a deterrent sentence?

How many children need to be molested, before a judge gets the
picture?
Perhaps if a judge had had his son or daughter molested, would that
have caught his concern about the victims and the general public,
instead of concern for filth such as Whitmore?

Perhaps it is now time for lynch law, where the public can immediately
execute natural justice?

Remember - an executed criminal will never re-offend!!


On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:29:58 GMT, "Aeroplan"  wrote:

>http://www.cbc.ca/canada/saskatchewan/story/2006/08/01/boy-found.html
>
>A 10-year-old boy, one of two youths at the the centre of a massive search 
>after allegedly being abducted by a convicted sex offender, has been found 
>and is alive and well.
>
>RCMP said Tuesday that Zachary Miller of Whitewood, Sask., was found near 
>Kipling, Sask., about 170 kilometres southeast of Regina.
>
>"We now have Zachary with us and we are reuniting him with his family," RCMP 
>spokeswoman Heather Russell said. "He appears to be in good condition."
>
>Police said a resident of the Kipling area spotted an abandoned van that 
>matched the description of the vehicle police had been searching for.  While 
>the person was investigating, a young boy ran out of a farm building, 
>located about 17 kilometres east of Kipling.
>
>Police immediately cordoned off the area and an emergency response team was 
>dispatched, said RCMP spokeswoman Heather Russell at around 2:20 p.m CT.
>
>Jordan Bruyere, a 14-year-old boy from Winnipeg, and Miller were believed to 
>be with Peter Robert Joseph Whitmore, a convicted child abuser seen in the 
>Whitewood area in the past few days.
>
>Police believe Whitmore and Bruyere are still on the property.
>
>Police issued an Amber Alert after Zachary disappeared from Whitewood 
>Sunday. They also issued a Canada-wide arrest warrant for Whitmore for 
>abduction.
>
>Whitmore has spent time in prision for sex crimes involving children. He 
>served 16 months in custody after being convicted in Ontario in 1993 of 
>abduction and sexual offences involving four boys.
>
>Just nine days after he was released, he took an eight-year-old girl from 
>Guelph, Ont., to Toronto. He received a 56-month sentence for a sex offence 
>involving the girl.
>
>While there was joy for the Miller family Tuesday afternoon, the Manitoba 
>family of Jordan Bruyere was still waiting for good news.
>
>Earlier in the day, a Whitewood resident said he had met with Whitmore and 
>Bruyere on July 28 and the boy appeared to be in good physical condition.
>
>Kevin White, who has a car dealership in the town, said a man whose van 
>needed a tire came in to his business accompanied by an aboriginal youth. 
>White said he later saw photos on the internet and confirmed he saw Whitmore 
>and Bruyere.
>
>Jordan's aunt phoned him last night to find out what happened.
>
>"I basically told them he didn't seem to be physically abused," White said. 
>"There were no bruises or anything. He wasn't visibly upset. He was just 
>very quiet."
>
>
>



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:52:23 GMT, "TJ"  wrote:

>get a grip will you...over 100 bodies...ya right...show me the stats on that 
>1...just because they are missing that doesn't prove they are dead, they 
>lead a dangerous life sytle and move all over the place. If anything we need 
>better looking hookers instead of the skank we have walking the streets.

It is the media who have tabulated more than 100 bodies of sex trade
workers in the past few years.

>suuurrreeeeeee....we are all wondering if it's a cop, what BS....
>
>and how do you know it's "1" killer or a cop for that matter...maybe more 
>than 1....your watching to much tv my friend.....

Perhaps, but surely you are not denying the fact, that a crooked cop
would easily know how to cover his trail, so his brother cops would
not bother to investigate? Particularly the cops hired and promoted
over the past 20 years!

>better get your facts straight....as for Boyd, he has done a bang up job 
>since he has been here. Our police service is so screwed up it was a wonder 
>Boyd or anyone would take the job. But he did get them to up the salary to 
>$250 grand a year to take the job, nice cheque every 2 weeks eh.......


You failed to answer the question in the header - why was he
constantly REFUSED THE TOP JOB IN TORONTO?
Was it something to do with his wife also being on the public trough
there?

>there's nothing to wonder, he's doing a great job and has the respect of the 
>people in this city and from the members of the EPS...it's the members of 
>the EPS I would wonder about.

Who says he has the respect of the public here, apart from you?

>they all seem taser happy these days....
 Including the kids of the former chief, don't forget...

>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:6ojc72t48htptgc2kogrektlb7qbask92s@4ax.com...
>> Why Cop Mike Boyd , who was Deputy Chief for ages, Refused as Chief of
>> Police Toronto?
>>
>> If you have inside info on this, kindly post, so we all can know.
>>
>> Now that he is chief cop in Edmonton, people there are starting to
>> wonder also.
>>
>> Since he left Toronto, all of a sudden there is anti-gang arrests in
>> volume. Why so little real anti-criminal work while Boyd was in
>> Toronto?
>>
>> In Edmonton, the serial killer continues his depredations against sex
>> trade workers, with the total now well over 100 bodies!!
>>
>> But no arrests by the Edmonton cops, which has people wondering
>> whether the killer is one of the cops? 
>



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Why Cop Mike Boyd , who was Deputy Chief for ages, Refused as Chief of
Police Toronto?

If you have inside info on this, kindly post, so we all can know.

Now that he is chief cop in Edmonton, people there are starting to
wonder also.

Since he left Toronto, all of a sudden there is anti-gang arrests in
volume. Why so little real anti-criminal work while Boyd was in
Toronto?

In Edmonton, the serial killer continues his depredations against sex
trade workers, with the total now well over 100 bodies!!

But no arrests by the Edmonton cops, which has people wondering
whether the killer is one of the cops?


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Alan Baggett, any news that you have heard on the criminal charges
against the crooked Edmonton cops?


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:00:58 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:15:28 -0000, kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth
>McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>Sew   wrote:
>>>On 18 Dec 2005 19:18:02 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(CopsToJail) wrote:
>>>
>>>>It is time to send these crooked cops to prison, just to show that they get
>>>>no preferential treatment when it come to defrauding the tax department.
>>>>They should also be charged under the Criminal Code, with criminal conspiracy!!
>>>
>>>Wow! This reminds me of all those gangsters that made all that money
>>>but they could not beat the IRS...go get emmmm....to bad they let the
>>>bronfmans get away with all the millions and millions they owed in
>>>taxes in canada. Of course they to could have known Jean Cretian. 
>>
>>The Bronfmans owed "millions and millions in taxes" here? Will you document that, please?
>
>ooops, there are lots and lots of web pages carrying this info...just
>one more....
>
>
>
>TAXPAYER CHALLENGES GOV'T GIFT OF $700 MILLION TO WEALTHY BRONFMAN
>FAMILY 
>
>
>
>One of Canada's richest families is the focus of a Federal Court
>battle this week as a private citizen challenges hundreds of millions
>in favourable tax treatment given to the Bronfman family. 
>
>Revenue Canada is in the Federal Court of Appeal defending against
>George Harris, a Winnipeg office worker and social activist, who is
>contesting a loophole that allowed $2-billion in Bronfman family
>assets to escape the country tax free, in 1991. 
>
>"This case is about public confidence in the Canadian income tax
>system," Mr. Harris, a program officer for Canadian University
>Services Overseas (CUSO), asserts in his class-action lawsuit. 
>
>"Without general public acceptance of the integrity and fairness of
>our income tax regime, no amount of assessment and enforcement action
>by government will be able to protect the tax base and ensure the
>collection of essential public revenues." 
>
>The court challenge, being heard March 9th, comes amid persistent
>rumours that Edgar Bronfman Jr. is looking to sell Seagram Co. Ltd.,
>the Montreal-based liquor and entertainment giant. 
>
>Mr. Harris' three-year-old legal fight was prompted by a controversial
>tax ruling by Revenue Canada in 1991 that allowed the Bronfmans to
>move more than $2-billion worth of Seagram Co. stock, held in two
>family trusts, to the United States without paying capital gains tax.
>The decision allowed the family to avoid as much as $700-million in
>taxes. 
>
>Revenue Canada is appealing a January 1999 ruling by Federal Court
>Judge Francis Muldoon, who allowed the lawsuit to go ahead in the
>public interest, concluding that allowing the Bronfman billions to
>escape untaxed smacks of "favouritism" and "grave maladministration." 
>
>Government lawyers will challenge Judge Muldoon's decision by arguing
>Canada's tax system is based on "strict confidentiality" and Mr.
>Harris has no direct interest in the case. 
>
>"The law in any event does not permit one taxpayer or citizen to
>challenge the income tax treatment of the transactions or affairs of
>another taxpayer," says Revenue Canada's written court submission. "To
>allow such a challenge is . . . inconsistent with our system of tax
>administration." 
>
>Revenue Canada lawyers add the public interest is already being
>addressed in a "normal and lawful manner," since legislation is being
>considered. 
>
>After a severe rebuke from Denis Desautels, the Auditor-General, the
>government announced in October 1996 it would introduce new rules to
>ensure taxes are paid on assets moving out of the country that have
>increased in value during their time in Canada. 
>
>But more than three years later, legislation has not been passed. 
>
>The much-debated departure tax has encountered stiff opposition in
>Liberal strongholds like Vancouver and Toronto, where immigrant
>communities balk at the prospect of investors and entrepreneurs coming
>into Canada being forced to list their assets and pay capital gains on
>profits accrued during their time in the country. 
>
>The business community also has been opposed, saying it would create
>an unwanted barrier for investors in and operators of private
>companies. 
>
>In his earlier ruling, Judge Muldoon admonished government officials
>for treating Mr. Harris like a "nobody" by arguing that he had no
>right to challenge Revenue Canada's practice. 
>
>"Mr. Harris brings this action on behalf of his fellow taxpayers,
>except the favoured few, for the few will never be heard of to
>complain of the official favouritism," Judge Muldoon wrote. 
>
>"The fair-minded, objective observer must surely smell at least the
>grave maladministration here ... One can only imagine the benefit to
>the country and to national programs such sums could have
>contributed." 
>
>Mr. Harris, a member of a social advocacy group called CHOICES, argues
>he has as much right to challenge tax treatment as he does other
>government expenditures. 
>
>"The plaintiff submits matters of tax assessment and collection raise
>the very same public interest concern as matters of direct financial
>expenditure. There is no substantive difference between a dollar of
>tax revenue forgone and a dollar of public money expended by
>government." 
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:32:48 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On 30 Mar 2006 02:15:16 -0000, Dump The Crooks 
>wrote:

>>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>>long suspected.

>>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>>are endorsing.

>>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>>Premier of Alberta!!

>>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>>councvillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?

>I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT. I am tired of politicians thinking they can
>just run for office and then increase homeowners taxes just so they
>can give themselves more and more raises. It is NOT RIGHT no matter
>who they are paying to say that it is. The cost of living in Edmonton
>is way lower than Calgary or Toronto, there are fewer people living in
>Edmonton, and most of all which of the people that are running this
>city have a university degree?? After all, in order to make that kind
>of money most people NEED to have a university degree. 

You do not need to have a university degree to be a capable
administrator of billions of dollars.

You should at least be a successful BUSINESS OWNER.
Out of current 13 clowns on council, apparaently only Mike Nickel owns
a successful business.

Further, council members should be HONEST, and not support corruption
and criminality, and similar. This council went so far as to give a
payoff of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to the former disgraced chief cop,
who had been fired for just cause!!

No honest, competent business managers would have colluded as they
did!!



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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:03:55 -0700, "DetectorTHX11:59:01" 
wrote:
>Leftists = traitors  wrote in message
>news:1154710281.114348.317630@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> $37.00 for a book that costs $24.99 U.S.  Our dollars are within 13% of
>> each other.
>> Book prices haven't changed since our dollar was worth $0.63 U.S.  Of
>> course, we KNOW
>> who owns Chapters-Indigo and they dictate to the publishers.
>> Their excuse that "you can't tool up that fast" as to why they can't
>> re-price books falls on deaf
>> ears.  It does NOT take YEARS to rectify prices. F--- The Reitmans and
>> their cabal.
>
>They are part of Israhells fifth column in Canada, and are intertwined with
>the globalist Bilderberg gangsters.  They should be watched in case they are
>involved in any Mossad activities like stealing Canadian passports and
>spying.  They could be sending and recieving more than books.

And the ZYDS wonder why Canadians resent being JEWED, as per
dictionary definition!!



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Subject: Re: Edmonton more murderous than Toronto
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Deadmonton DOES NOT have a population of over 900,000!!
The city population is just over 500,000!!

The city is using the fictitious figure, to minimise the murder rate
in town!!

Don't forget, that the last 4 cop chiefs have all been canned in
disgrace!
Plus, the crooked cops still have not charged the serial killer of
over 100 women, which is making many think that perhaps it is 
one of the rogue cops doing all the extra murders!!

In fact the new chief this year is from Toronto. He was repeatedly
REFUSED the position of chief there. Mind you, as soon as he leaves
Toronto, Bill Blair the new chief, goes out and arrests 78 gang
members!!

Wonder why Mike Code did nothing about this while he was there as
deputy chief?

Apart from all the convictions against city cops for torture, with
more cops constantly being charged, and killing innocent victims like
last week!!

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:27:54 GMT, "Chom Noamsky"  wrote:

>Edmonton records 37 homicides in 2005 while Toronto records 78.  Considering 
>the relative populations (est. 2004) of these two cities, the per 100,000 
>homicide rate works out to:

>  Edmonton - ( 37 / 947,311 ) * 10^5 = 3.9
>  Toronto - ( 78 / 2,518,772 ) * 10^5 = 3.1

>Oh what a shocker!  You're 25% more likely to become a victim of homicide in 
>Edmonton than Toronto.  What makes me laugh is the Alberta crackpot who 
>claims crime and homicide is somehow special to "Cherrana" and that the 
>problem is mysteriously attributable to "socialism."




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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:05:11 GMT, Carter  wrote:
>Tiberius Rex wrote:
>> The key question was:
>> Why should foreigners - i.e. non-Albertans be offered an extra
>> $5,000.00 not offered to locals?

>Probably because it wouldn't cost that much to get an Albertan to 
>relocate to Alberta.  You talk as if the $5000 dollars is a gift.  It 
>is not, it is relocation costs.

It IS a gift, since Superstore refuses to pay such largesse to local
residents of Alberta, to relocate to Deadmonton or wherever their jobs
are!!

In fact, Stupidstore is NOW offering a $1,000 bonus to new employees,
to be paid AFTER working 1000 hours.

want to bet they will terminate workers just before 1000 hours, just
to avoid paying?

>BTW, Maritimers are not exactly foreigners, the happen to live in the 
>same country as Albertans.
>Carter

As far as residing in Alberta, they are foreigners.

>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:55:47 GMT, Carter  wrote:
>>> Tiberius Rex wrote:
>>>> Media this past week have been reporting that Westfair Foods,
>>>> operating as Superstore in Alberta have been trying to recruit people
>>>> from the Maritimes, to work in their stores in Alberta.
>>>>
>>>> They are offering Maritimers, besides wages:
>>>> free round-trip airfares
>>>> one month rent paid by Superstore
>>>> all moving/relocation costs
>>>>
>>>> These add up to around an extr5a $5,000 - which Superstore 
>>>> is NOT offering to workers in Alberta!!
>>> Why would Superstore make that offer to Albertans?  Albertans already 
>>> live in Alberta, Don't they?
>>>
>>> Carter
>> 



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On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:06:24 -0700, Alfred Kaufmann
 wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:37:20 GMT, John Buchan
> wrote:

>>Whitmore, the repeat sex offender of children, together with the judges
>>who kept letting him out and gave him minimal sentences to boot, all
>>deserve the death penalty!!

>Why stop there, what about the politicians that created the laws? Then
>you have to deal with the public that elected the politicians that
>created the laws and appointed the judges.


The crooked judges who continued to allow this homo child sex molester
out on the streeets, time after time, are the ones who need to be put
into cells together with their pet molester!!

They had the power to designate him an habitual offender, whereby he
is entitled to life in prison. Put into the general population he
would be no problem within 24 hours!

>>Perhaps it is now time for lynch law, where the public can immediately
>>execute natural justice?

>Oh, I see, you are letting the public off the hook.  How convenient
>because there would be no one left to act as hangman.

If lynch law was applicable, there would be no lack of people to hang
him, and his judges!!

Now the media report that Whitmore has made a HOMOLKA-type deal, to
avoid getting jail for life!!

Whoever is involved in this deal, should join Whitmore on death row!!



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Alan Baggett, any news that you have heard on the criminal charges
against the crooked Edmonton cops?


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:00:58 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:15:28 -0000, kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth
>McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>Sew   wrote:
>>>On 18 Dec 2005 19:18:02 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(CopsToJail) wrote:
>>>
>>>>It is time to send these crooked cops to prison, just to show that they get
>>>>no preferential treatment when it come to defrauding the tax department.
>>>>They should also be charged under the Criminal Code, with criminal conspiracy!!
>>>
>>>Wow! This reminds me of all those gangsters that made all that money
>>>but they could not beat the IRS...go get emmmm....to bad they let the
>>>bronfmans get away with all the millions and millions they owed in
>>>taxes in canada. Of course they to could have known Jean Cretian. 
>>
>>The Bronfmans owed "millions and millions in taxes" here? Will you document that, please?
>
>ooops, there are lots and lots of web pages carrying this info...just
>one more....
>
>
>
>TAXPAYER CHALLENGES GOV'T GIFT OF $700 MILLION TO WEALTHY BRONFMAN
>FAMILY 
>
>
>
>One of Canada's richest families is the focus of a Federal Court
>battle this week as a private citizen challenges hundreds of millions
>in favourable tax treatment given to the Bronfman family. 
>
>Revenue Canada is in the Federal Court of Appeal defending against
>George Harris, a Winnipeg office worker and social activist, who is
>contesting a loophole that allowed $2-billion in Bronfman family
>assets to escape the country tax free, in 1991. 
>
>"This case is about public confidence in the Canadian income tax
>system," Mr. Harris, a program officer for Canadian University
>Services Overseas (CUSO), asserts in his class-action lawsuit. 
>
>"Without general public acceptance of the integrity and fairness of
>our income tax regime, no amount of assessment and enforcement action
>by government will be able to protect the tax base and ensure the
>collection of essential public revenues." 
>
>The court challenge, being heard March 9th, comes amid persistent
>rumours that Edgar Bronfman Jr. is looking to sell Seagram Co. Ltd.,
>the Montreal-based liquor and entertainment giant. 
>
>Mr. Harris' three-year-old legal fight was prompted by a controversial
>tax ruling by Revenue Canada in 1991 that allowed the Bronfmans to
>move more than $2-billion worth of Seagram Co. stock, held in two
>family trusts, to the United States without paying capital gains tax.
>The decision allowed the family to avoid as much as $700-million in
>taxes. 
>
>Revenue Canada is appealing a January 1999 ruling by Federal Court
>Judge Francis Muldoon, who allowed the lawsuit to go ahead in the
>public interest, concluding that allowing the Bronfman billions to
>escape untaxed smacks of "favouritism" and "grave maladministration." 
>
>Government lawyers will challenge Judge Muldoon's decision by arguing
>Canada's tax system is based on "strict confidentiality" and Mr.
>Harris has no direct interest in the case. 
>
>"The law in any event does not permit one taxpayer or citizen to
>challenge the income tax treatment of the transactions or affairs of
>another taxpayer," says Revenue Canada's written court submission. "To
>allow such a challenge is . . . inconsistent with our system of tax
>administration." 
>
>Revenue Canada lawyers add the public interest is already being
>addressed in a "normal and lawful manner," since legislation is being
>considered. 
>
>After a severe rebuke from Denis Desautels, the Auditor-General, the
>government announced in October 1996 it would introduce new rules to
>ensure taxes are paid on assets moving out of the country that have
>increased in value during their time in Canada. 
>
>But more than three years later, legislation has not been passed. 
>
>The much-debated departure tax has encountered stiff opposition in
>Liberal strongholds like Vancouver and Toronto, where immigrant
>communities balk at the prospect of investors and entrepreneurs coming
>into Canada being forced to list their assets and pay capital gains on
>profits accrued during their time in the country. 
>
>The business community also has been opposed, saying it would create
>an unwanted barrier for investors in and operators of private
>companies. 
>
>In his earlier ruling, Judge Muldoon admonished government officials
>for treating Mr. Harris like a "nobody" by arguing that he had no
>right to challenge Revenue Canada's practice. 
>
>"Mr. Harris brings this action on behalf of his fellow taxpayers,
>except the favoured few, for the few will never be heard of to
>complain of the official favouritism," Judge Muldoon wrote. 
>
>"The fair-minded, objective observer must surely smell at least the
>grave maladministration here ... One can only imagine the benefit to
>the country and to national programs such sums could have
>contributed." 
>
>Mr. Harris, a member of a social advocacy group called CHOICES, argues
>he has as much right to challenge tax treatment as he does other
>government expenditures. 
>
>"The plaintiff submits matters of tax assessment and collection raise
>the very same public interest concern as matters of direct financial
>expenditure. There is no substantive difference between a dollar of
>tax revenue forgone and a dollar of public money expended by
>government." 
>
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Alan Baggett, any news that you have heard on the criminal charges
against the crooked Edmonton cops?


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:00:58 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:15:28 -0000, kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth
>McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>Sew   wrote:
>>>On 18 Dec 2005 19:18:02 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(CopsToJail) wrote:
>>>
>>>>It is time to send these crooked cops to prison, just to show that they get
>>>>no preferential treatment when it come to defrauding the tax department.
>>>>They should also be charged under the Criminal Code, with criminal conspiracy!!
>>>
>>>Wow! This reminds me of all those gangsters that made all that money
>>>but they could not beat the IRS...go get emmmm....to bad they let the
>>>bronfmans get away with all the millions and millions they owed in
>>>taxes in canada. Of course they to could have known Jean Cretian. 
>>
>>The Bronfmans owed "millions and millions in taxes" here? Will you document that, please?
>
>ooops, there are lots and lots of web pages carrying this info...just
>one more....
>
>
>
>TAXPAYER CHALLENGES GOV'T GIFT OF $700 MILLION TO WEALTHY BRONFMAN
>FAMILY 
>
>
>
>One of Canada's richest families is the focus of a Federal Court
>battle this week as a private citizen challenges hundreds of millions
>in favourable tax treatment given to the Bronfman family. 
>
>Revenue Canada is in the Federal Court of Appeal defending against
>George Harris, a Winnipeg office worker and social activist, who is
>contesting a loophole that allowed $2-billion in Bronfman family
>assets to escape the country tax free, in 1991. 
>
>"This case is about public confidence in the Canadian income tax
>system," Mr. Harris, a program officer for Canadian University
>Services Overseas (CUSO), asserts in his class-action lawsuit. 
>
>"Without general public acceptance of the integrity and fairness of
>our income tax regime, no amount of assessment and enforcement action
>by government will be able to protect the tax base and ensure the
>collection of essential public revenues." 
>
>The court challenge, being heard March 9th, comes amid persistent
>rumours that Edgar Bronfman Jr. is looking to sell Seagram Co. Ltd.,
>the Montreal-based liquor and entertainment giant. 
>
>Mr. Harris' three-year-old legal fight was prompted by a controversial
>tax ruling by Revenue Canada in 1991 that allowed the Bronfmans to
>move more than $2-billion worth of Seagram Co. stock, held in two
>family trusts, to the United States without paying capital gains tax.
>The decision allowed the family to avoid as much as $700-million in
>taxes. 
>
>Revenue Canada is appealing a January 1999 ruling by Federal Court
>Judge Francis Muldoon, who allowed the lawsuit to go ahead in the
>public interest, concluding that allowing the Bronfman billions to
>escape untaxed smacks of "favouritism" and "grave maladministration." 
>
>Government lawyers will challenge Judge Muldoon's decision by arguing
>Canada's tax system is based on "strict confidentiality" and Mr.
>Harris has no direct interest in the case. 
>
>"The law in any event does not permit one taxpayer or citizen to
>challenge the income tax treatment of the transactions or affairs of
>another taxpayer," says Revenue Canada's written court submission. "To
>allow such a challenge is . . . inconsistent with our system of tax
>administration." 
>
>Revenue Canada lawyers add the public interest is already being
>addressed in a "normal and lawful manner," since legislation is being
>considered. 
>
>After a severe rebuke from Denis Desautels, the Auditor-General, the
>government announced in October 1996 it would introduce new rules to
>ensure taxes are paid on assets moving out of the country that have
>increased in value during their time in Canada. 
>
>But more than three years later, legislation has not been passed. 
>
>The much-debated departure tax has encountered stiff opposition in
>Liberal strongholds like Vancouver and Toronto, where immigrant
>communities balk at the prospect of investors and entrepreneurs coming
>into Canada being forced to list their assets and pay capital gains on
>profits accrued during their time in the country. 
>
>The business community also has been opposed, saying it would create
>an unwanted barrier for investors in and operators of private
>companies. 
>
>In his earlier ruling, Judge Muldoon admonished government officials
>for treating Mr. Harris like a "nobody" by arguing that he had no
>right to challenge Revenue Canada's practice. 
>
>"Mr. Harris brings this action on behalf of his fellow taxpayers,
>except the favoured few, for the few will never be heard of to
>complain of the official favouritism," Judge Muldoon wrote. 
>
>"The fair-minded, objective observer must surely smell at least the
>grave maladministration here ... One can only imagine the benefit to
>the country and to national programs such sums could have
>contributed." 
>
>Mr. Harris, a member of a social advocacy group called CHOICES, argues
>he has as much right to challenge tax treatment as he does other
>government expenditures. 
>
>"The plaintiff submits matters of tax assessment and collection raise
>the very same public interest concern as matters of direct financial
>expenditure. There is no substantive difference between a dollar of
>tax revenue forgone and a dollar of public money expended by
>government." 
>
>With files from Southam news Inc. 
>
>
>
>
>
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:03:55 -0700, "DetectorTHX11:59:01" 
wrote:
>Leftists = traitors  wrote in message
>news:1154710281.114348.317630@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> $37.00 for a book that costs $24.99 U.S.  Our dollars are within 13% of
>> each other.
>> Book prices haven't changed since our dollar was worth $0.63 U.S.  Of
>> course, we KNOW
>> who owns Chapters-Indigo and they dictate to the publishers.
>> Their excuse that "you can't tool up that fast" as to why they can't
>> re-price books falls on deaf
>> ears.  It does NOT take YEARS to rectify prices. F--- The Reitmans and
>> their cabal.
>
>They are part of Israhells fifth column in Canada, and are intertwined with
>the globalist Bilderberg gangsters.  They should be watched in case they are
>involved in any Mossad activities like stealing Canadian passports and
>spying.  They could be sending and recieving more than books.

And the ZYDS wonder why Canadians resent being JEWED, as per
dictionary definition!!



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Alan Baggett, any news that you have heard on the criminal charges
against the crooked Edmonton cops?


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:00:58 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:15:28 -0000, kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth
>McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>Sew   wrote:
>>>On 18 Dec 2005 19:18:02 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(CopsToJail) wrote:
>>>
>>>>It is time to send these crooked cops to prison, just to show that they get
>>>>no preferential treatment when it come to defrauding the tax department.
>>>>They should also be charged under the Criminal Code, with criminal conspiracy!!
>>>
>>>Wow! This reminds me of all those gangsters that made all that money
>>>but they could not beat the IRS...go get emmmm....to bad they let the
>>>bronfmans get away with all the millions and millions they owed in
>>>taxes in canada. Of course they to could have known Jean Cretian. 
>>
>>The Bronfmans owed "millions and millions in taxes" here? Will you document that, please?
>
>ooops, there are lots and lots of web pages carrying this info...just
>one more....
>
>
>
>TAXPAYER CHALLENGES GOV'T GIFT OF $700 MILLION TO WEALTHY BRONFMAN
>FAMILY 
>
>
>
>One of Canada's richest families is the focus of a Federal Court
>battle this week as a private citizen challenges hundreds of millions
>in favourable tax treatment given to the Bronfman family. 
>
>Revenue Canada is in the Federal Court of Appeal defending against
>George Harris, a Winnipeg office worker and social activist, who is
>contesting a loophole that allowed $2-billion in Bronfman family
>assets to escape the country tax free, in 1991. 
>
>"This case is about public confidence in the Canadian income tax
>system," Mr. Harris, a program officer for Canadian University
>Services Overseas (CUSO), asserts in his class-action lawsuit. 
>
>"Without general public acceptance of the integrity and fairness of
>our income tax regime, no amount of assessment and enforcement action
>by government will be able to protect the tax base and ensure the
>collection of essential public revenues." 
>
>The court challenge, being heard March 9th, comes amid persistent
>rumours that Edgar Bronfman Jr. is looking to sell Seagram Co. Ltd.,
>the Montreal-based liquor and entertainment giant. 
>
>Mr. Harris' three-year-old legal fight was prompted by a controversial
>tax ruling by Revenue Canada in 1991 that allowed the Bronfmans to
>move more than $2-billion worth of Seagram Co. stock, held in two
>family trusts, to the United States without paying capital gains tax.
>The decision allowed the family to avoid as much as $700-million in
>taxes. 
>
>Revenue Canada is appealing a January 1999 ruling by Federal Court
>Judge Francis Muldoon, who allowed the lawsuit to go ahead in the
>public interest, concluding that allowing the Bronfman billions to
>escape untaxed smacks of "favouritism" and "grave maladministration." 
>
>Government lawyers will challenge Judge Muldoon's decision by arguing
>Canada's tax system is based on "strict confidentiality" and Mr.
>Harris has no direct interest in the case. 
>
>"The law in any event does not permit one taxpayer or citizen to
>challenge the income tax treatment of the transactions or affairs of
>another taxpayer," says Revenue Canada's written court submission. "To
>allow such a challenge is . . . inconsistent with our system of tax
>administration." 
>
>Revenue Canada lawyers add the public interest is already being
>addressed in a "normal and lawful manner," since legislation is being
>considered. 
>
>After a severe rebuke from Denis Desautels, the Auditor-General, the
>government announced in October 1996 it would introduce new rules to
>ensure taxes are paid on assets moving out of the country that have
>increased in value during their time in Canada. 
>
>But more than three years later, legislation has not been passed. 
>
>The much-debated departure tax has encountered stiff opposition in
>Liberal strongholds like Vancouver and Toronto, where immigrant
>communities balk at the prospect of investors and entrepreneurs coming
>into Canada being forced to list their assets and pay capital gains on
>profits accrued during their time in the country. 
>
>The business community also has been opposed, saying it would create
>an unwanted barrier for investors in and operators of private
>companies. 
>
>In his earlier ruling, Judge Muldoon admonished government officials
>for treating Mr. Harris like a "nobody" by arguing that he had no
>right to challenge Revenue Canada's practice. 
>
>"Mr. Harris brings this action on behalf of his fellow taxpayers,
>except the favoured few, for the few will never be heard of to
>complain of the official favouritism," Judge Muldoon wrote. 
>
>"The fair-minded, objective observer must surely smell at least the
>grave maladministration here ... One can only imagine the benefit to
>the country and to national programs such sums could have
>contributed." 
>
>Mr. Harris, a member of a social advocacy group called CHOICES, argues
>he has as much right to challenge tax treatment as he does other
>government expenditures. 
>
>"The plaintiff submits matters of tax assessment and collection raise
>the very same public interest concern as matters of direct financial
>expenditure. There is no substantive difference between a dollar of
>tax revenue forgone and a dollar of public money expended by
>government." 
>
>With files from Southam news Inc. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Alan Baggett, any news that you have heard on the criminal charges
against the crooked Edmonton cops?


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:00:58 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:15:28 -0000, kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth
>McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>Sew   wrote:
>>>On 18 Dec 2005 19:18:02 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(CopsToJail) wrote:
>>>
>>>>It is time to send these crooked cops to prison, just to show that they get
>>>>no preferential treatment when it come to defrauding the tax department.
>>>>They should also be charged under the Criminal Code, with criminal conspiracy!!
>>>
>>>Wow! This reminds me of all those gangsters that made all that money
>>>but they could not beat the IRS...go get emmmm....to bad they let the
>>>bronfmans get away with all the millions and millions they owed in
>>>taxes in canada. Of course they to could have known Jean Cretian. 
>>
>>The Bronfmans owed "millions and millions in taxes" here? Will you document that, please?
>
>ooops, there are lots and lots of web pages carrying this info...just
>one more....
>
>
>
>TAXPAYER CHALLENGES GOV'T GIFT OF $700 MILLION TO WEALTHY BRONFMAN
>FAMILY 
>
>
>
>One of Canada's richest families is the focus of a Federal Court
>battle this week as a private citizen challenges hundreds of millions
>in favourable tax treatment given to the Bronfman family. 
>
>Revenue Canada is in the Federal Court of Appeal defending against
>George Harris, a Winnipeg office worker and social activist, who is
>contesting a loophole that allowed $2-billion in Bronfman family
>assets to escape the country tax free, in 1991. 
>
>"This case is about public confidence in the Canadian income tax
>system," Mr. Harris, a program officer for Canadian University
>Services Overseas (CUSO), asserts in his class-action lawsuit. 
>
>"Without general public acceptance of the integrity and fairness of
>our income tax regime, no amount of assessment and enforcement action
>by government will be able to protect the tax base and ensure the
>collection of essential public revenues." 
>
>The court challenge, being heard March 9th, comes amid persistent
>rumours that Edgar Bronfman Jr. is looking to sell Seagram Co. Ltd.,
>the Montreal-based liquor and entertainment giant. 
>
>Mr. Harris' three-year-old legal fight was prompted by a controversial
>tax ruling by Revenue Canada in 1991 that allowed the Bronfmans to
>move more than $2-billion worth of Seagram Co. stock, held in two
>family trusts, to the United States without paying capital gains tax.
>The decision allowed the family to avoid as much as $700-million in
>taxes. 
>
>Revenue Canada is appealing a January 1999 ruling by Federal Court
>Judge Francis Muldoon, who allowed the lawsuit to go ahead in the
>public interest, concluding that allowing the Bronfman billions to
>escape untaxed smacks of "favouritism" and "grave maladministration." 
>
>Government lawyers will challenge Judge Muldoon's decision by arguing
>Canada's tax system is based on "strict confidentiality" and Mr.
>Harris has no direct interest in the case. 
>
>"The law in any event does not permit one taxpayer or citizen to
>challenge the income tax treatment of the transactions or affairs of
>another taxpayer," says Revenue Canada's written court submission. "To
>allow such a challenge is . . . inconsistent with our system of tax
>administration." 
>
>Revenue Canada lawyers add the public interest is already being
>addressed in a "normal and lawful manner," since legislation is being
>considered. 
>
>After a severe rebuke from Denis Desautels, the Auditor-General, the
>government announced in October 1996 it would introduce new rules to
>ensure taxes are paid on assets moving out of the country that have
>increased in value during their time in Canada. 
>
>But more than three years later, legislation has not been passed. 
>
>The much-debated departure tax has encountered stiff opposition in
>Liberal strongholds like Vancouver and Toronto, where immigrant
>communities balk at the prospect of investors and entrepreneurs coming
>into Canada being forced to list their assets and pay capital gains on
>profits accrued during their time in the country. 
>
>The business community also has been opposed, saying it would create
>an unwanted barrier for investors in and operators of private
>companies. 
>
>In his earlier ruling, Judge Muldoon admonished government officials
>for treating Mr. Harris like a "nobody" by arguing that he had no
>right to challenge Revenue Canada's practice. 
>
>"Mr. Harris brings this action on behalf of his fellow taxpayers,
>except the favoured few, for the few will never be heard of to
>complain of the official favouritism," Judge Muldoon wrote. 
>
>"The fair-minded, objective observer must surely smell at least the
>grave maladministration here ... One can only imagine the benefit to
>the country and to national programs such sums could have
>contributed." 
>
>Mr. Harris, a member of a social advocacy group called CHOICES, argues
>he has as much right to challenge tax treatment as he does other
>government expenditures. 
>
>"The plaintiff submits matters of tax assessment and collection raise
>the very same public interest concern as matters of direct financial
>expenditure. There is no substantive difference between a dollar of
>tax revenue forgone and a dollar of public money expended by
>government." 
>
>With files from Southam news Inc. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Is your mind so feeble, that you have no comments to make on the
subject header?

How do YOu feel about the crooked Edmonton cops?
Don't hold back - are you in favor of their criminality?

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:31:16 GMT, "PV" 
wrote:
>"WyattEarp"  wrote in message 
>news:jkchd2t6lhn0fof9vrrghcefqt4equ0i3m@4ax.com...
>> Alan Baggett, any news that you have heard on the criminal charges
>> against the crooked Edmonton cops?
>>
>
>What gives, not even the middle of the month and another name change? 
>Afraid that too many folks have kill filed you already?
>
>So I guess we can expect another round of postings rehashing the same old 
>crap from months and years ago.  Must be terrible not having a real life
>
>PV 
>



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Subject: Re: gel - another illiterate moron - NOT!
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:11:16 -0400, Dave Smith
 wrote:
>gel wrote:
>
>> asshole  ,,if you do not give a crap...then do not write on these
>> newsgroup.
>
>Some of us do care. We are sick of the nancyboy anti Edmonton rant.
>It got stale a long time ago.

Edmonton IS such a cesspool, which is why gel and others want to warn
the general public, to AVOID getting shot, or even killed, by all the
crooked cops there!!



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Is your mind so feeble, that you have no comments to make on the
subject header?

How do YOU feel about the crooked Edmonton cops?
Don't hold back - are you in favor of their criminality?

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:31:16 GMT, "PV" 
wrote:
>"WyattEarp"  wrote in message 
>news:jkchd2t6lhn0fof9vrrghcefqt4equ0i3m@4ax.com...
>> Alan Baggett, any news that you have heard on the criminal charges
>> against the crooked Edmonton cops?

>What gives, not even the middle of the month and another name change? 
>Afraid that too many folks have kill filed you already?
>
>So I guess we can expect another round of postings rehashing the same old 
>crap from months and years ago.  Must be terrible not having a real life
>
>PV 




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Both the Edmonton Chamber of Commerce, and Economic Development
Edmonton are furious about all the anti-Edmonton articles posted on
Internet, exposing all the criminal police!!

Unfortunately, with all the local media exposing almost daily, yet
another documented incident of police brutality, they can do nothing.

Now that the latest victim has survived 6 bullets in the back, he and
his family are siung the police for attempted murder, using the
well-known anti-cop lawyer, Tom Engel.

It seems that the new police chief, Mike Boyd from Toronto, is as
useless here, as he was there!

On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:03:25 -0400, "John Pezzano" 
wrote:

>After years of hearing the same complaints on the internet about them, the 
>Edmonton Police Department sent some of their nicest officers over to the 
>house of that guy who always complains about them on the internet to beat 
>him up. Unfortunately, they were themselves beaten - to the scene - by the 
>Edmonton Chamber of Commerce - who wanted to add one more crime to the city 
>statistics by killing the guy thus doubling the number of  murders in the 
>city this year.
>
>JohnP 
>



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Let the diseased fag AIDS-spreaders die in their own filth!!

Not one penny of taxpayer money for the perverts!


On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:14:23 -0400, "Terry Hansel-Pearson"
 wrote:

>Help grow the work of God and Jesus Christ,
>
>Send $US (cash, small, untraceable bills) only to
>
>http://www.godhatesfags.com
>
>http://www.700club.com/
>
>http://www.patrobertson.com/
>
>http://www.bennyhinn.org
>
>http://www.jimbakkershow.com/
>
>http://www.jsm.org/
>
>http://www.conservative.ca/
>
>If it means going without food or health care for a month, don't worry.  God
>will reward you in the Great Beyond.
>
>Don't forget, if you don't send cash or if you ask for a receipt,
>Jesus Christ will kill you and your soul will rot in Hell forever.
>
>If you fear dying for Israel, God will smite thee!  Enlist Now and fight to
>protect the Christian Holy Land!!



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Subject: Re: SEVEN MORE dead Canadian soldiers in one week.- Order Lots More Body Bags!
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On 11 Aug 2006 19:53:42 -0700, "Jonsa"  wrote:

>WyattEarp wrote:
>> Almost 30 dead Canucks admitted so far, apart from hundreds admitted
>> injured - all for USA & Israel!!
>>
>> How many will it take to bring all the rest of the surviving Canadians
>> home?
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:04:08 -0700, Brian Daily
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >It's time to bring the troops home....
>>
>> >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/11/world/asia/11cnd-afghan.html?hp&ex=1155355200&en=2dfe995e2495db37&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
>What a crock.

>The Canadian soldiers are not there for either USA or Israel. They are
>on behalf of CANADA.  we beleive in freedom and liberty. we believe
>that Islamo-facists are our enemies. we beleive that Afghanis should be
>able to live in security and peace with justice, equality and liberty.
>we believe that Afghanistan can at least rise to the 20th century. We
>beleive that terrorists are scum and cannot be appeased.

>We are not neutral in the war against Islamo-facists. And we certainly
>take sides when the concepts of democracy and liberty are trashed by
>hate spewing, religiously perverse scumbags.

Canada has no legal status to be in Afghanistan.
Canada is not at war against Afghanistan.
Canada is only  there in support of the USA & Israel, who started the
war,so that is why stupid canucks die there!!

Make sure there are enough body bags for the many more to die there -
for the USA & Israel!!


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On 11 Aug 2006 19:53:42 -0700, "Jonsa"  wrote:

>WyattEarp wrote:
>> Almost 30 dead Canucks admitted so far, apart from hundreds admitted
>> injured - all for USA & Israel!!
>>
>> How many will it take to bring all the rest of the surviving Canadians
>> home?
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:04:08 -0700, Brian Daily
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >It's time to bring the troops home....
>>
>> >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/11/world/asia/11cnd-afghan.html?hp&ex=1155355200&en=2dfe995e2495db37&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
>What a crock.

>The Canadian soldiers are not there for either USA or Israel. They are
>on behalf of CANADA.  we beleive in freedom and liberty. we believe
>that Islamo-facists are our enemies. we beleive that Afghanis should be
>able to live in security and peace with justice, equality and liberty.
>we believe that Afghanistan can at least rise to the 20th century. We
>beleive that terrorists are scum and cannot be appeased.

>We are not neutral in the war against Islamo-facists. And we certainly
>take sides when the concepts of democracy and liberty are trashed by
>hate spewing, religiously perverse scumbags.

Canada has no legal status to be in Afghanistan.
Canada is not at war against Afghanistan.
Canada is only  there in support of the USA & Israel, who started the
war,so that is why stupid canucks die there!!

Make sure there are enough body bags for the many more to die there -
for the USA & Israel!!


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Let the diseased fag AIDS-spreaders die in their own filth!!

Not one penny of taxpayer money for the perverts!


On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:14:23 -0400, "Terry Hansel-Pearson"
 wrote:

>Help grow the work of God and Jesus Christ,
>
>Send $US (cash, small, untraceable bills) only to
>
>http://www.godhatesfags.com
>
>http://www.700club.com/
>
>http://www.patrobertson.com/
>
>http://www.bennyhinn.org
>
>http://www.jimbakkershow.com/
>
>http://www.jsm.org/
>
>http://www.conservative.ca/
>
>If it means going without food or health care for a month, don't worry.  God
>will reward you in the Great Beyond.
>
>Don't forget, if you don't send cash or if you ask for a receipt,
>Jesus Christ will kill you and your soul will rot in Hell forever.
>
>If you fear dying for Israel, God will smite thee!  Enlist Now and fight to
>protect the Christian Holy Land!!



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Both the Edmonton Chamber of Commerce, and Economic Development
Edmonton are furious about all the anti-Edmonton articles posted on
Internet, exposing all the criminal police!!

Unfortunately, with all the local media exposing almost daily, yet
another documented incident of police brutality, they can do nothing.

Now that the latest victim has survived 6 bullets in the back, he and
his family are siung the police for attempted murder, using the
well-known anti-cop lawyer, Tom Engel.

It seems that the new police chief, Mike Boyd from Toronto, is as
useless here, as he was there!

On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 23:03:25 -0400, "John Pezzano" 
wrote:

>After years of hearing the same complaints on the internet about them, the 
>Edmonton Police Department sent some of their nicest officers over to the 
>house of that guy who always complains about them on the internet to beat 
>him up. Unfortunately, they were themselves beaten - to the scene - by the 
>Edmonton Chamber of Commerce - who wanted to add one more crime to the city 
>statistics by killing the guy thus doubling the number of  murders in the 
>city this year.
>
>JohnP 
>



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Subject: Statistics Canada Admits-Edmonton Is Crime Center of Canada!
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In a banner headline story across page B1 of the Edmonton Journal for
21 July 2006, Statistics Canada reports that Edmonton Canada is now
the crime capital of Canada!

The Edmonton region homicide/murder rate is documented at 4.3 per
100,000 people, compared to only 2.0 for crime-ridden Toronto!!

And, the Edmonton stats do not include bodies found outside the area,
>from the notorious Edmonton serial killer of female prostitiutes!

And the city wonders why it is getting such bad international
publicity, mainly caused by the crooked cops, who apparently can not
even catch a cold, let alone the serial murderer, who is suspected by
many, to be either a cop, judge or criminologist.


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Subject: Re: I Demand An End To The Cease Fire - More War Now!! - Disgusting Poster!
Organization: Proposition13
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The OP seems to be JamesD, a disgusting pervert, presently under
police investigation. Just ask Det. Palamattan of EPS.

It seems that his picture, or one identical, was featured just over a
week ago, in connection with an assault on a young woman in north
Edmonton.

With ISPs cancelling him all around the world, he is now forced to use
anonymous remailers.


On 14 Aug 2006 06:30:31 -0700, "aaronhirshberg@yahoo.com"
 wrote:
>Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:
>> I'm an AIDS infested Queer who preys on Edmonton's children
>>
>> Somebody come to my home and give me a good beating before I rape
>> another little boy!!  End my torment NOW!!!
>>
>> William Grosvenor - 780 475-9668 9208 - 137 Avenue, Northtown Mall
>> area, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
>
>I am pretty sure that this William Grosvenor fellow is going to be
>calling the Police to have you arrested, and then file an enormous law
>suit against you.  Too bad for you.
>
>If you are going to try to make this believeable, don't use a name like
>"William Grosvenor".  Pick one of the following names:
>
>George Walker Bush
>Michael Savage
>Jim Guckert
>Rush Limbaugh
>Karl Rove



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Alan Baggett, any news that you have heard on the criminal charges
against the crooked Edmonton cops?


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:00:58 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:15:28 -0000, kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth
>McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>Sew   wrote:
>>>On 18 Dec 2005 19:18:02 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(CopsToJail) wrote:
>>>
>>>>It is time to send these crooked cops to prison, just to show that they get
>>>>no preferential treatment when it come to defrauding the tax department.
>>>>They should also be charged under the Criminal Code, with criminal conspiracy!!
>>>
>>>Wow! This reminds me of all those gangsters that made all that money
>>>but they could not beat the IRS...go get emmmm....to bad they let the
>>>bronfmans get away with all the millions and millions they owed in
>>>taxes in canada. Of course they to could have known Jean Cretian. 
>>
>>The Bronfmans owed "millions and millions in taxes" here? Will you document that, please?
>
>ooops, there are lots and lots of web pages carrying this info...just
>one more....
>
>
>
>TAXPAYER CHALLENGES GOV'T GIFT OF $700 MILLION TO WEALTHY BRONFMAN
>FAMILY 
>
>
>
>One of Canada's richest families is the focus of a Federal Court
>battle this week as a private citizen challenges hundreds of millions
>in favourable tax treatment given to the Bronfman family. 
>
>Revenue Canada is in the Federal Court of Appeal defending against
>George Harris, a Winnipeg office worker and social activist, who is
>contesting a loophole that allowed $2-billion in Bronfman family
>assets to escape the country tax free, in 1991. 
>
>"This case is about public confidence in the Canadian income tax
>system," Mr. Harris, a program officer for Canadian University
>Services Overseas (CUSO), asserts in his class-action lawsuit. 
>
>"Without general public acceptance of the integrity and fairness of
>our income tax regime, no amount of assessment and enforcement action
>by government will be able to protect the tax base and ensure the
>collection of essential public revenues." 
>
>The court challenge, being heard March 9th, comes amid persistent
>rumours that Edgar Bronfman Jr. is looking to sell Seagram Co. Ltd.,
>the Montreal-based liquor and entertainment giant. 
>
>Mr. Harris' three-year-old legal fight was prompted by a controversial
>tax ruling by Revenue Canada in 1991 that allowed the Bronfmans to
>move more than $2-billion worth of Seagram Co. stock, held in two
>family trusts, to the United States without paying capital gains tax.
>The decision allowed the family to avoid as much as $700-million in
>taxes. 
>
>Revenue Canada is appealing a January 1999 ruling by Federal Court
>Judge Francis Muldoon, who allowed the lawsuit to go ahead in the
>public interest, concluding that allowing the Bronfman billions to
>escape untaxed smacks of "favouritism" and "grave maladministration." 
>
>Government lawyers will challenge Judge Muldoon's decision by arguing
>Canada's tax system is based on "strict confidentiality" and Mr.
>Harris has no direct interest in the case. 
>
>"The law in any event does not permit one taxpayer or citizen to
>challenge the income tax treatment of the transactions or affairs of
>another taxpayer," says Revenue Canada's written court submission. "To
>allow such a challenge is . . . inconsistent with our system of tax
>administration." 
>
>Revenue Canada lawyers add the public interest is already being
>addressed in a "normal and lawful manner," since legislation is being
>considered. 
>
>After a severe rebuke from Denis Desautels, the Auditor-General, the
>government announced in October 1996 it would introduce new rules to
>ensure taxes are paid on assets moving out of the country that have
>increased in value during their time in Canada. 
>
>But more than three years later, legislation has not been passed. 
>
>The much-debated departure tax has encountered stiff opposition in
>Liberal strongholds like Vancouver and Toronto, where immigrant
>communities balk at the prospect of investors and entrepreneurs coming
>into Canada being forced to list their assets and pay capital gains on
>profits accrued during their time in the country. 
>
>The business community also has been opposed, saying it would create
>an unwanted barrier for investors in and operators of private
>companies. 
>
>In his earlier ruling, Judge Muldoon admonished government officials
>for treating Mr. Harris like a "nobody" by arguing that he had no
>right to challenge Revenue Canada's practice. 
>
>"Mr. Harris brings this action on behalf of his fellow taxpayers,
>except the favoured few, for the few will never be heard of to
>complain of the official favouritism," Judge Muldoon wrote. 
>
>"The fair-minded, objective observer must surely smell at least the
>grave maladministration here ... One can only imagine the benefit to
>the country and to national programs such sums could have
>contributed." 
>
>Mr. Harris, a member of a social advocacy group called CHOICES, argues
>he has as much right to challenge tax treatment as he does other
>government expenditures. 
>
>"The plaintiff submits matters of tax assessment and collection raise
>the very same public interest concern as matters of direct financial
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:27:17 GMT, dangdangdoodle3
 wrote:
>In article ,
> "NDP Rogue"  Socilaists.6768447746865.gov> wrote:

>> Former Vancouver police officer faces child pornography charges

>> VANCOUVER (CP) - A former police officer who once ran the department's
>> school-liaison program faces child pornography charges. John Dragani has
>> been charged with one count of possession of child pornography and one count
>> of accessing child pornography. Dragani, who was a sergeant, was suspended
>> without pay last year until he retired. Vancouver Constable Tim Fanning says
>> Crown counsel approved the charges after an aggressive police investigation.
>> Fanning says the allegations were embarrassing, but it's also an opportunity
>> to show when criminal conduct is alleged against an officer they take it
>> seriously. Dragani was arrested Monday at his Vancouver home and will face
>> the charges in Surrey provincial court.

>It would take 5 or 6 minutes to charge anyone else, but for this cop, it 
>took over a year and apparently he was allowed to retire. Plus he 
>appears to be minimally charged, where as someone else would have the 
>book thrown at them.

>Any cop caught breaking the law on duty should have automatically 
>doubled sentencing because they've also broken the public's trust which 
>they have agreed to keep. I'm sure people like Harper, who believe in 
>longer sentences to protect the public would agree with me, if he's not 
>a being a bloody hypocrite again.

Typical of the crooked police forces in Canada!
Since they could not completely cover it up, they allowed the crooked
cop to resign, so he could collect his pension and other benefits!!

Subject: Re: ZYD Friedman-KIDDIE PORN DISTRIBUTOR , from Synagogue!!
He Did No Jail Time!! Edmonton Man,Not Jew, Gets 3 1/2 Years!

On 18 Mar 2006 20:14:27 -0000, Ariadne wrote:
And Robert Welldumb could find nothing wrong with the detailed report,
so he complains about the TRUTH:

Welldumb could not explain why the crooked ZYD got no jail, while the
white man in Edmonton got 3 1/2 years in jail - FOR AN EVEN LESSER
OFFENCE!!

One must wonder, is Welldumb another kiddie porn distributor?

>Notice that Ted had listed at least 2 different Friedman
>JEW CHILD MOLESTERS!!

>Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former cantor of
>the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?

>He is the one caught as a major international distributor of KIDDIE PORN, from
>his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back to Boston, where the
>FBI picked him up!!

>But for a white man convicted of similar charges, the white guy in Edmonton gets 3 1/2 years in jail!!

One must question the preferential treatment given to the KIDDIE PORN
DISTRIBUTOR OPERATING FROM THE SYNAGOGUE!!

Why was he allowed to avoid jail, when a white man gets 3 1/2 years,
deservedly?

What did the crooked judge in that case receive for his generosity?

Looks like the Canadian public got JEWED, again!!
________________________________________
>On 31 Dec 2005 11:49:41 -0800, "Iamhere"  wrote:
>
>>If your piece is fact, what is the major deal about one Jewish pervert
>>vis a vis the thousands of priests who earned their prayer beads by
>>buggering little boys? I say you are a goyische hypocrite.
>>Iamhere
>>======================================================================================
>>Ted Dichtler wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:11:31 -0700, ariadne 
>>> wrote:
>
>>> Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former
>>> cantor of the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?
>
>>> He is the one caught as a major international DISTRIBUTOR of KIDDIE
>>> PORN, from his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back
>>> to Boston, where the FBI picked him up!!
>
>>> Story as reported by newspaper follows:
>>> kenmcvay  Feb 14 1999, 1:00 am
>>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.ukrainian,
>>> soc.culture.palestine
>>> From: kenmc...@in.vino.veritas.lies
>>> Date: 1999/02/14
>>> Subject: Re: NIZKOR Supports ZHID Kiddie Porn Distributor from Synangogue
>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:16:03 GMT, odess...@direct.ca wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>> >wrote:
>
>>> >>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was O.K.
>>> >>J.B.
>>> >No, it would not be OK, no matter who is the pervert.
>
>>> >What is of concern, is whether the 3 NON-JEWS presently charged with
>>> >similar crimes, will now also be allowed to leave Canada, without
>>> >having to spend the normal 5 years in prison?
>
>>> >Or, is this generosity only available to damn JEW KIDDIE PORN
>>> >DISTRIBUTORS, especially if they are connected to a synagogue??
>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>
>>> ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>> By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>
>>> A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>> hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>> fined $2,200 in court Tuesday.
>
>>> The fine was paid and Suart David Friedman, a
>>> well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>> the country for his native United States.
>
>>> It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>> hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>> collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>> connected to an international child pornography ring.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>> possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>> police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>> cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>> and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>> collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>> diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>
>>> ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>> Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>> Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>> material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>> Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>> from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>> ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>> pornography that's out there.''
>
>>> Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>> September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>> regional intelligence officer.
>
>>> Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>> want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>> photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>
>>> Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>> planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>> can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>> Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>> taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>> difficult time.''
>
>>> The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>> son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>> October, Mrs. Fox said.
>
>>> Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>> elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>> appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>> Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>> and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>
>>> Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>> his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>> provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>> judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>
>>> ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>> Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>> public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>> they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>> get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>
>>> Article Segment 2 of 2
>>> (Ge
>>> (Get All
>
>>> Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>> and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>> electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>
>>> Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>> that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>> conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>> with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>> intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>
>>> The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>> help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>> said.
>
>>> Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>> specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>> this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>> enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>
>>> Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>> of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>> are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>> comment.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>> $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>> ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>> confiscated.
>
>>> After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>> to be with his family.
>
>>> Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>> maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>> did say there was a plea bargain.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>> in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>> posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>> prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>> prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>
>>> ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>> who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>> the media.
>>> ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>> about how we will handle this.''
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>> possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>
>>> Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>> partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>> material.
>
>>> With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>> The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>
>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org
>
>
>>> >On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:54:44 +0100, "mkarwan"  wrote:
>
>>> >>http://judicial-inc.biz/freidman_pedophiles_from_hell.htm
>
>>> >One Of Jewry's Most Explosive Incidences
>
>>> >Every now and then, there is a crime so ghastly, that even the Jewish media
>>> >control can't prevent the world from knowing. The crimes of the Friedmans were
>>> >so atrocious, that no string pulling was going to stop this investigation.
>
>>> >They were running a day care in the morning, and teaching computers to 8, 9,
>>> >and 10 yr olds in the afternoon.
>
>>> >They were found to have molested  hundreds of children, and taken extensive
>>> >video and photographic files on their molestations.
>
>>> It seems that much of the pornography and especially KIDDIE PORN
>>> rackets worldwide are run by the JEWS!

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


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We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


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As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
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yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
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Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
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even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

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Michael's
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It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just 
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Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
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Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
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Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

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JEW-WATCH:
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Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
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Or, other useful websites include:
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IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
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Alan, what is latest status of this matter?
Are snivel servants still ripping off taxpapyers, or will truckers now
be allowed same as crooked trough-feeders?


On 18 Mar 2005 12:16:44 -0800, alanbaggett1@canada.com (Alan Baggett)
wrote:

>Here's the latest from:

>http://pei.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=pe-truck20050318

>Truckers fight for better meal deductions  
>Last Updated Mar 18 2005 11:24 AM AST
>CBC News 
>CHARLOTTETOWN – Some P.E.I. truckers have joined a class action
>lawsuit against the Canada Revenue Agency. They want to be able to
>claim more money for meals while they're on the road.

>Summerside's Chris Murphy spends two weeks at a time rolling across
>North America in his truck, paying for three meals a day in roadside
>restaurants.
>
>He said when government employees are traveling they are paid up to
>$75 a day as compensation for their meals and related expenses.
>
>However, truckers are allowed to claim a maximum of $23 a day as a
>business expense. Murphy believes the numbers should be the same.
>
>The court case was filed in British Columbia Supreme Court in 2002.
>
>Ernie Slump, the publisher of Trucker Magazine launched the suit.
>Since then, he has added the names of 3,000 truckers to the case.
>
>He believes the federal government is trying to delay the case.
>
>"We thought we might go to court in April or May, but we think now
>that the government may drag it out further until after the next
>election because this could very well become an election issue."
>
>Murphy said he just wants the same provisions as other people who have
>to leave home for work.
>
>The federal Department of Finance won't say if deductions for meals on
>the road might be raised.
>
>
>
>canadarevenueagency@hotmail.com (Alan Baggett) wrote in message news:<8b49ba6a.0503071010.32b5b558@posting.google.com>...
>> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displayarticle.cfm?ID=3824
>> 
>> Law firm files meal allowance suit 
>> 
>> SUMMERLAND, B.C. (Mar. 7, 2005) -- B.C. law firm Johnston, Johnson &
>> Co. has filed a class-action suit on behalf of 11 truck drivers
>> seeking to overturn the unfair meal allowance portion of the federal
>> tax policy.
>> The Summerland, B.C.-based lawyers are asking the Supreme Court of
>> British Columbia to strike down a section of the Income Tax Act
>> dealing with the deduction of their meals while they are on the road.
>> 
>> "Essentially, we looked at whether truckers, bus drivers, and other
>> workers that travel for a living could unite in one cause to get
>> parity with government workers," says Tom Johnston, lead counsel on
>> the case in a statement that appears on the firm's website.
>> "Government employees receive a meal allowance of $73.10 [an amount
>> that fluctuates on a quarterly basis according to the Consumer Price
>> Index] per day plus U.S. exchange (if they were traveling in the US),
>> without receipts."
>> 
>> In the Statement of Claim, it is asserted by the plaintiffs (the
>> truckers) that CCRA [formerly Revenue Canada] "through [its]
>> administrative policies, have ruled that some of the Plaintiffs and
>> some of the Class are not entitled to a meal allowance greater than
>> $16.50 before 2003, and, $22.50 after 2003, while other taxpayers
>> received more money for meals, including allowing some, the fair meal
>> allowance rate."
>> 
>> Further, the Plaintiffs claim that the decision to allow some
>> individuals to claim a greater amount than others is unfair and
>> discriminatory, and without adequate reason.
>> 
>> Johnston says he hopes for truckers to gain parity with federal civil
>> servants covered by the Treasury Board Secretariat Travel Directive.
>> "We're also seeking to strike down the 50 percent aspect of the rule,"
>> he says. "That applies to business meals, and in the case of our
>> clients, that's clearly not the case.
>> 
>> "In the civil servants' case, he or she is consuming meals for
>> sustenance, as are truck drivers. Allowing one group a more generous
>> allowance than others isn't fair. It's clearly a discriminatory
>> practice, and the Canadian Charter of Rights makes no room for
>> distinction between one class of citizens and another."
>> 
>> Drivers wishing to join the class action may still do so by contacting
>> Johnston & Johnson at their B.C. offices, or by visiting the website.
>> If the lawsuit is successful, only those registered and paid-up of the
>> class action may be able to claim retroactive meal allowances, the
>> firm says.
>> 
>> There is a $200 fee to join the class action. Those already in the
>> class action will need to pay an additional $100.00 to remain in the
>> lawsuit. For more information, see www.summerlandlawoffice.com or
>> call, 800-494-0442.



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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:32:48 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On 30 Mar 2006 02:15:16 -0000, Dump The Crooks 
>wrote:

>>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>>long suspected.

>>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>>are endorsing.

>>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>>Premier of Alberta!!

>>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>>councvillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?

>I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT. I am tired of politicians thinking they can
>just run for office and then increase homeowners taxes just so they
>can give themselves more and more raises. It is NOT RIGHT no matter
>who they are paying to say that it is. The cost of living in Edmonton
>is way lower than Calgary or Toronto, there are fewer people living in
>Edmonton, and most of all which of the people that are running this
>city have a university degree?? After all, in order to make that kind
>of money most people NEED to have a university degree. 

You do not need to have a university degree to be a capable
administrator of billions of dollars.

You should at least be a successful BUSINESS OWNER.
Out of current 13 clowns on council, apparaently only Mike Nickel owns
a successful business.

Further, council members should be HONEST, and not support corruption
and criminality, and similar. This council went so far as to give a
payoff of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to the former disgraced chief cop,
who had been fired for just cause!!

No honest, competent business managers would have colluded as they
did!!



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And never forget, that AIDS was spread worldwide, deliberately, by the
Canadian fag working with Air Canada, as detailed in the documentary
book and film "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON".

Perhaps Harpo refused to attend because he did not want to be
associated with all the filthy disease-spreaders?

On 16 Aug 2006 10:28:58 -0700, "John Galt" 
wrote:

>Lots of wailing (or politicizing) of Stephen Harper not attending the
>AIDS conference -- but lets have a reality check, beyond what Hollywood
>and the liberal left are pitching ok?
>
>AIDS, or *ACQUIRED* Immune Deficiency Syndrome -- is just that, ACQUIRED.
>
>That means by and large, based on individuals choices, they ACQUIRE it;
>and by and large its not through blood transfusions et al -- its
>remains predominately passed on by intravenous drug use, and
>unprotected sex -- where an individual knows the risks, and *chooses*
>to ignore them.
>
>Question:  With AIDS now a manageable disease no longer a death
>sentence with current drug cocktails -- shouldn't world, international
>and goernment attention be 'better' focussed on curring horrible
>diseases that are not AQUIRED by individual (bad) choices -- but
>instead for things like cancer, alzheimers, etc -- for which the victim
>had no choice role to play in aquiring it?
>
>Rather than the liberal left using a lifestyle aquired disease as a
>means to attack a conservative PM -- perhaps they should just shut the
>hell up, and tell their friends to drop the drug needles and start
>wearing rubbers?



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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:02:41 -0500, Bill Gannon
 wrote:
>Tiberius Rex  wrote:

>> Valid question, so far not answered - since the 2 cops charged DID NOT
>> HAVE THE AUTHORITY for the crooked photoradar contract, while the then
>> police chief WAS RESPONSIBLE, WHY HASN'T THE CHIEF ALSO BEEN ARRESTED?

>> The more is exposed about criminal cops in Edmonton, the more the
>> stink goes right to the top!!

>I suppose that you're happy that they gave the job of Chief to one of the 
>runners up for the job of Police Chief in Toronto?

>It takes time to clear up shit.   Michael J. Boyd was well regarded and a 
>favourite to replace Julian Fantino in Toronto, but politics screw the 
>best.   You didn't get a moron, that's for sure.


Perhaps Boyd will finally clean house, and not only FIRE, but also
PROSECUTE all those crooked senior cops that have been infesting EPS
for the last while under the last few disgraced and fired  chiefs of
police!!

This past week the Toronto Police announced massive raids against
gangs, with 78 arrests.

Why was this not done while Boyd was Deputy Chief in Toronto?

Why is nothing being done about skyrocketing crime in Deadmonton, now
that Boyd is chief there?

Hmmmm........

Only then will the public start to have any confidence in the local
cops. - when the crooked seargeants and inspectors and the like go to
jail!


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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:33:58 GMT, "Sharx35" 
wrote:
>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> Next installment and exposure of city tax department irregularities
>> was in  OPEN COURT, at the MGB Hearing,  March 27.

>> Again, was exposed for all to see, the evidence proving the City
>> allowed the lawyer to be underassessed  for his property at 13723 -
>> 93 St., by HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, for 8 years.

>Is that commercially zoned property, occupied by a residence?

It is a 2 story building, zoned DC5, with lawyer offices on main
floor, and rental apartments on upper floor.

HALF A MILLION DOLLARS each year - for 8 years!
His own papers filed declared the value to be $600,000, while his
friends in the city only assessed for $149,500!!

>> In retaliation, the city assessors incresed the assessment of the man
>> who exposed their graft by 4 TIMES THAT OF HIS NEIGHBOURS!!


>> Yes, the city website is operational in May and June, which allowed
>> some of us the opportunity to get the PROOF, which will be used in
>> the MGB city tax appeals, to PROVE GROSS OR CRIMINAL IRREGULARITIES
>> by the city tax staffers!

>> One must wonder, for whom is Merle Foresth working, since he seems to
>> not care about massive irregularities!!

>> It is now time, to not only FIRE those city employees involved in
>> this massive under-assessment for one of their buddies, but they
>> should also be PROSECUTED for their involvement in this massive FRAUD
>> on the city taxpayers!!

>> How many other friends of city tax department staff are also, still,
>> getting massive under-assessments, worth tens of thousands of dollars
>> per crook, apart from the well-known city lawyer exposed?

>> Time to clean house at city hall, and not just leave it up to
>> Grosvenor to take these crooks to court!!


>> From: arielv2@37.com the filthy crook, wanting everyone to know about
>> how corrupt is the cesspool called Deadmonton, wrote:
>> Newsgroups: edm.general,edm.politics
>> Subject: Re: APPEAL YOUR TAXES!!GRAFT,CORRUPTION in City Tax
>> Appeal-Lawyer Finally Got Taxes Quadrupled!! WHY BE JEWED?
>> Date: 1 Aug 2005 13:21:10 -0700

>> Why do you call our beuatiful city "deadmonton", ?
>> if you don't like it here why are you doing here? why don't you go
>> back to the rat hole you came from (england or whatever hellhole you're
>> from). stop polluting our charming city with your stinking existance. a
>> bullet thru your old and rotten head will be a great solution to your not
>> liking our city. drop dead you fucking nazi!


>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:12:18 -0600, George
>>  wrote:

>>> If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4%
>>> inflation certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim
>>> of the crooks running Deadmonton?!!

>>> If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled
>>> to do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>>> The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against
>>> the City, win!!

>>> Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>>> city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>>> UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>>> The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>>> If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>>> UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>>> Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>>> employed by the city??
>>> Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>>> force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is
>>> getting overpaid?


>>> From: heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>>> Newsgroups:
>>> edm.general,edm.politics,ab.general,ab.politics,can.general Subject:
>>> Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO GET
>>> TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>>> Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>>> It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>>> The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>>> finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to
>>> what it should be.

>>> This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>>> massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and
>>> probably $608,000!!!

>>> Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone
>>> has the guts to force the issue into a court.

>>> How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>>> MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?


>>> heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>>> news:<8e4c980f.0409260720.3cd39d0f@posting.google.com>...
>>>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear
>>>> before the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!

>>>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>>>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>>>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>>>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM
>>>> THE CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!

>>>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>>>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!

>>>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?


>>>> heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>>>> news:<8e4c980f.0408050922.417b9108@posting.google.com>...
>>>>> City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>>>>> value.
>>>>> It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in
>>>>> writing, was $600,000!!

>>>>> No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>>>>> why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>>>>> This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>>>>> massive tax hikes!!

>>>>> No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>>>>> Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax
>>>>> revolt.

>>>>>> Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>>>>>> irregularities involving the city tax department.

>>>>>> Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an
>>>>>> out-of-court settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal
>>>>>> closure of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>>>>>> One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax
>>>>>> assessment hike this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence
>>>>>> that business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the
>>>>>> businesses!!

>>>>>> The right hand did not know what the left did.....


>>>>>> starwars  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>>>>>>> massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is
>>>>>>> knowingly under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!

>>>>>>> This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be
>>>>>>> worth at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is
>>>>>>> huge,has law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second
>>>>>>> floor was assessed last year for less than a quarter of
>>>>>>> value,for only $148,000!!

>>>>>>> After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal
>>>>>>> Court last year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now
>>>>>>> this year it is assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000
>>>>>>> UNDER-ASSESSED!!

>>>>>>> At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!

>>>>>>> Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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The commies and lesbians supporting the Y may want the communist type
family day care scams proposed by the socialist lieberals, but normal
families most certainly DO NOT want the scam.

If the government wants to give the PARENTS $100 a month, for the
parent to use towards whatever form of child care the parent wants,
rather than the institutionalised daycares of communism, then as
Martha Stewart would say, That is a good thing!

There already is too much government interference in families, and
this may be a step in the right direction, allowing parents to choose
where they wish to start the education of their chioldren.


On 21 Mar 2006 16:38:40 -0800, "jlipka81@aol.com" 
wrote:

>Canadian families, irrespective of where they live or the size of their
>communities, want their child care needs met by a nationally-funded
>public system and not a federal cash payout, according to a recent
>report by YWCA Canada.
>
>The report's findings are based on four community task forces held
>over the past year in four distinct communities across Canada: Halifax,
>Vancouver, Martensville, Saskatchewan, and Cambridge, Ontario.
>
>In each task force, parents, service providers and business people
>consistently said that they wanted integrated services that are
>publicly and fairly funded so that they could meet the demands of
>parents in their communities.
>
>The Conservatives are planning to scrap childcare agreements signed by
>the Liberal government and the provinces to develop a National Early
>Learning and Child Care Program. Instead, they will provide parents
>with direct payments of $1,200 a year per child.
>
>But as YWCA study director Jenny Robinson points out, the
>Conservatives' payment would amount to only $8 a week for a
>middle-income family once it is taxed - a sum that will come nowhere
>close to meeting basic child care needs. In addition, the study also
>finds that even if parents have money to buy child care services, there
>is still a shortage of services to buy.
>
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper plans to deal with this shortage by
>offering a one-time credit of $10,000 for businesses and community
>groups to create 125,000 new daycare spaces.
>
>However, 85 per cent of the costs of a child care space are operational
>costs. The Conservative plan offers nothing to keep that space going.
>Moreover, the YWCA report indicates that although tax cuts have been
>offered in some provincial jurisdictions, they have not resulted in any
>new child care spaces.
>
>Canadians want a plan that will guarantee every child - regardless of
>parental income or geography - will get a quality, affordable and
>accessible space offered by a licensed professional. Parents and
>caregivers understand, as we do, that a cash payout is not the answer
>to the country's very real need for child care.
>
>A national child care program like that envisioned in the YWCA report
>is not beyond our means. The Liberal Party has made it a priority to
>ensure the Conservative government honours the 10 multi-year child care
>deals already reached with the provinces. Canadian families deserve
>nothing less.



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With all the recent bad publicity about crooked Edmonton cops and
their torturing civilians, what is the latest news about their Income
Tax Frauds?

Are the crooked Edmonton cops being featured in today's report from
the federal Auditor-General?

Alan B - any updates?

On 1 Dec 2005 21:15:19 -0000, (AntiCrookedCoppers) wrote:
>As other, qualified accountants have detailed, CRA are completely correct in
>prosecuting these crooked cops, for faking in, as to who got paid, before taxes!
>
>It seems that some of these crooked cops used the names of other cops, to minimise
>their taxes, under the table so to speak.
>Who did they think they were, the Bronfman Jews?
>
>One more black mark against the crooks in the Edmonton Police farce!!
>
>On 7 Nov 2005 06:38:03 -0800, "Alan Baggett"  wrote:
>
>>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/11/05/1293866-sun.html
>
>>The Canada Revenue Agency is investigating a police watchdog group's
>>complaint into whether Edmonton cops should be able to bank overtime
>>hours and share them with each other.
>
>>Marshall Deslauriers, chairman of the self-appointed Citizens Committee
>>For Police Oversight, formally filed a complaint yesterday.
>
>>Atop his group's list of concerns is that officers may be permitted to
>>"manipulate and alter wage tax obligations by using a system of
>>"banking" and selective "allocation" for their overtime hours."
>
>>Acting police Chief Darryl da Costa has said that sharing overtime is a
>>longstanding practice that allows officers to pass on their banked time
>>to another officer who needs time off for a family emergency or crisis.
>
>>He said earlier this week that if there is a legal issue with the
>>practice, the EPS will look into it.
>
>>Under their contract, Edmonton cops can bank up to 320 hours of
>>overtime at any given time. The OT can be used whenever they wish, paid
>>out at the end of the year or given to other cops, who may use it as
>>they see fit.
>



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On 8 Dec 2005 23:03:36 GMT, Wally Cleaver 
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:13 -0000, <11ph7h9mknc6k94@corp.supernews.com>
>kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>In article <1642514.PtBnYVMG7h@Xn1>, 127.0.0.1 <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>> In article <1134066915.228014.96670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>>>>>Kenny McVay wrote:

>>>> [routine grosvomit]

>>>About the famous "gas chamber" in the Auschwitz I camp, Conan writes: 
>>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html
>>
>>As to Dr. Piper's response to David Cole, see his letter to the Daily Texan:
>>
>>Archive/File: people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093
>>Last-Modified: 1994/11/12
>>
>>
>>                                                     ogwiqcim, October21,1993
>>                Dr Franciszek Piper
>>                Pa'nstwowe Muzeum
>>                32-603 Ogwiecim -Poland

>The above could be a forgery seeing how it is at your website which I have
>proven deals in forgeries!

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
>Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
>Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT
>
>								Tavish
>
>     ~~Ken McVay Lying About His Financing Via S.A.A.F. Nizkor Fund~~
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
>Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
>Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
>Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1@news.tht.net>
>(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
>Mr. Bradbury, wishing to demonstrate how ill-equipped he is to deal with
>evidence of any sort... What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The
>Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San
>Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very
>bright... Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" 
>
>
>As for Ken McVay's bold faced lie: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate
>is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with
>the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." BUT I have "demonstrated" the
>association between the Nizkor Project and the San Antonio Area Foundation -
>Nizkor Fund and all with Ken McVay's very own words below!
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvl6g$ctm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
>Nizkor Project should be made payable to:
>   SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>Date: 1996/09/05
>Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>..In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>	"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>We thank all of you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
>Project. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial 
>improvements in service.
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/72d376fef3c983cf?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvbkg$auc@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>
>In article <31c2fa3a.16855786@news.annap.infi.net>, 
>hk@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote:
>
>>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perahps can
>>talk.
>
>Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
>by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
>work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
>	SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and mail them to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>...By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
>and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
>difference it makes who finances my work... I fail to see
>how my financing changes that.
>
>
>"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
>contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
>-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
>http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
>(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)



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On Sun, 21 May 2006 03:33:35 GMT, "PV" 
wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:svfu629963rhgu3k1mn57g9knb81c9fflg@4ax.com...
>> The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
>> paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!

>Once again, you really really need to buy a new newspaper.

>It's time to move on and ferret out some more "corruption"!
>PV 

How about the story on page B6 of Thursday 18 May 2006, reporting on
yet another crooked cop - Cst. Aubrey Zalaski, charged with torture by
laser of another innocent civilian?

This case was so rotten, even the police chief had to lay criminal
charges, since he couldn't cover it up!

Hardly a week goes by, without the media exposing more rogue cops.



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:52:23 GMT, "TJ"  wrote:

>get a grip will you...over 100 bodies...ya right...show me the stats on that 
>1...just because they are missing that doesn't prove they are dead, they 
>lead a dangerous life sytle and move all over the place. If anything we need 
>better looking hookers instead of the skank we have walking the streets.

It is the media who have tabulated more than 100 bodies of sex trade
workers in the past few years.

>suuurrreeeeeee....we are all wondering if it's a cop, what BS....
>
>and how do you know it's "1" killer or a cop for that matter...maybe more 
>than 1....your watching to much tv my friend.....

Perhaps, but surely you are not denying the fact, that a crooked cop
would easily know how to cover his trail, so his brother cops would
not bother to investigate? Particularly the cops hired and promoted
over the past 20 years!

>better get your facts straight....as for Boyd, he has done a bang up job 
>since he has been here. Our police service is so screwed up it was a wonder 
>Boyd or anyone would take the job. But he did get them to up the salary to 
>$250 grand a year to take the job, nice cheque every 2 weeks eh.......


You failed to answer the question in the header - why was he
constantly REFUSED THE TOP JOB IN TORONTO?
Was it something to do with his wife also being on the public trough
there?

>there's nothing to wonder, he's doing a great job and has the respect of the 
>people in this city and from the members of the EPS...it's the members of 
>the EPS I would wonder about.

Who says he has the respect of the public here, apart from you?

>they all seem taser happy these days....
 Including the kids of the former chief, don't forget...

>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:6ojc72t48htptgc2kogrektlb7qbask92s@4ax.com...
>> Why Cop Mike Boyd , who was Deputy Chief for ages, Refused as Chief of
>> Police Toronto?
>>
>> If you have inside info on this, kindly post, so we all can know.
>>
>> Now that he is chief cop in Edmonton, people there are starting to
>> wonder also.
>>
>> Since he left Toronto, all of a sudden there is anti-gang arrests in
>> volume. Why so little real anti-criminal work while Boyd was in
>> Toronto?
>>
>> In Edmonton, the serial killer continues his depredations against sex
>> trade workers, with the total now well over 100 bodies!!
>>
>> But no arrests by the Edmonton cops, which has people wondering
>> whether the killer is one of the cops? 
>



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And, the news headlines for  Monday 24 July 2006 - ANOTHER 3 MURDERS
between Thursday and this afternoon!!

The clueless cop thugs have no clues, or arrests of murderers, leading
many to suspect that perhaps some of the murders are being done by
fellow cops?



In a banner headline story across page B1 of the Edmonton Journal for
21 July 2006, Statistics Canada reports that Edmonton Canada is now
the crime capital of Canada!

The Edmonton region homicide/murder rate is documented at 4.3 per
100,000 people, compared to only 2.0 for crime-ridden Toronto!!

And, the Edmonton stats do not include bodies found outside the area,
>from the notorious Edmonton serial killer of female prostitiutes!

And the city wonders why it is getting such bad international
publicity, mainly caused by the crooked cops, who apparently can not
even catch a cold, let alone the serial murderer, who is suspected by
many, to be either a cop, judge or criminologist.


On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:22:04 GMT, Chom Noamsky  wrote:

>The per 100,000 murder rate in Edmonton now at 4.3.  Even more murderous
>than Regina, if you can believe it.  Toronto is 2.0.  In 2005, you were 2.3
>times as likely to become a victim of homicide in Edmonton than Toronto.  
>
>Someone told me once that conservative governments are tough on criminals.



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In a banner headline story across page B1 of the Edmonton Journal for
21 July 2006, Statistics Canada reports that Edmonton Canada is now
the crime capital of Canada!

The Edmonton region homicide/murder rate is documented at 4.3 per
100,000 people, compared to only 2.0 for crime-ridden Toronto!!

And, the Edmonton stats do not include bodies found outside the area,
>from the notorious Edmonton serial killer of female prostitiutes!

And the city wonders why it is getting such bad international
publicity, mainly caused by the crooked cops, who apparently can not
even catch a cold, let alone the serial murderer, who is suspected by
many, to be either a cop, judge or criminologist.


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Alan Baggett, any news that you have heard on the criminal charges
against the crooked Edmonton cops?


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 03:00:58 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:15:28 -0000, kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth
>McVay OBC) wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>Sew   wrote:
>>>On 18 Dec 2005 19:18:02 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(CopsToJail) wrote:
>>>
>>>>It is time to send these crooked cops to prison, just to show that they get
>>>>no preferential treatment when it come to defrauding the tax department.
>>>>They should also be charged under the Criminal Code, with criminal conspiracy!!
>>>
>>>Wow! This reminds me of all those gangsters that made all that money
>>>but they could not beat the IRS...go get emmmm....to bad they let the
>>>bronfmans get away with all the millions and millions they owed in
>>>taxes in canada. Of course they to could have known Jean Cretian. 
>>
>>The Bronfmans owed "millions and millions in taxes" here? Will you document that, please?
>
>ooops, there are lots and lots of web pages carrying this info...just
>one more....
>
>
>
>TAXPAYER CHALLENGES GOV'T GIFT OF $700 MILLION TO WEALTHY BRONFMAN
>FAMILY 
>
>
>
>One of Canada's richest families is the focus of a Federal Court
>battle this week as a private citizen challenges hundreds of millions
>in favourable tax treatment given to the Bronfman family. 
>
>Revenue Canada is in the Federal Court of Appeal defending against
>George Harris, a Winnipeg office worker and social activist, who is
>contesting a loophole that allowed $2-billion in Bronfman family
>assets to escape the country tax free, in 1991. 
>
>"This case is about public confidence in the Canadian income tax
>system," Mr. Harris, a program officer for Canadian University
>Services Overseas (CUSO), asserts in his class-action lawsuit. 
>
>"Without general public acceptance of the integrity and fairness of
>our income tax regime, no amount of assessment and enforcement action
>by government will be able to protect the tax base and ensure the
>collection of essential public revenues." 
>
>The court challenge, being heard March 9th, comes amid persistent
>rumours that Edgar Bronfman Jr. is looking to sell Seagram Co. Ltd.,
>the Montreal-based liquor and entertainment giant. 
>
>Mr. Harris' three-year-old legal fight was prompted by a controversial
>tax ruling by Revenue Canada in 1991 that allowed the Bronfmans to
>move more than $2-billion worth of Seagram Co. stock, held in two
>family trusts, to the United States without paying capital gains tax.
>The decision allowed the family to avoid as much as $700-million in
>taxes. 
>
>Revenue Canada is appealing a January 1999 ruling by Federal Court
>Judge Francis Muldoon, who allowed the lawsuit to go ahead in the
>public interest, concluding that allowing the Bronfman billions to
>escape untaxed smacks of "favouritism" and "grave maladministration." 
>
>Government lawyers will challenge Judge Muldoon's decision by arguing
>Canada's tax system is based on "strict confidentiality" and Mr.
>Harris has no direct interest in the case. 
>
>"The law in any event does not permit one taxpayer or citizen to
>challenge the income tax treatment of the transactions or affairs of
>another taxpayer," says Revenue Canada's written court submission. "To
>allow such a challenge is . . . inconsistent with our system of tax
>administration." 
>
>Revenue Canada lawyers add the public interest is already being
>addressed in a "normal and lawful manner," since legislation is being
>considered. 
>
>After a severe rebuke from Denis Desautels, the Auditor-General, the
>government announced in October 1996 it would introduce new rules to
>ensure taxes are paid on assets moving out of the country that have
>increased in value during their time in Canada. 
>
>But more than three years later, legislation has not been passed. 
>
>The much-debated departure tax has encountered stiff opposition in
>Liberal strongholds like Vancouver and Toronto, where immigrant
>communities balk at the prospect of investors and entrepreneurs coming
>into Canada being forced to list their assets and pay capital gains on
>profits accrued during their time in the country. 
>
>The business community also has been opposed, saying it would create
>an unwanted barrier for investors in and operators of private
>companies. 
>
>In his earlier ruling, Judge Muldoon admonished government officials
>for treating Mr. Harris like a "nobody" by arguing that he had no
>right to challenge Revenue Canada's practice. 
>
>"Mr. Harris brings this action on behalf of his fellow taxpayers,
>except the favoured few, for the few will never be heard of to
>complain of the official favouritism," Judge Muldoon wrote. 
>
>"The fair-minded, objective observer must surely smell at least the
>grave maladministration here ... One can only imagine the benefit to
>the country and to national programs such sums could have
>contributed." 
>
>Mr. Harris, a member of a social advocacy group called CHOICES, argues
>he has as much right to challenge tax treatment as he does other
>government expenditures. 
>
>"The plaintiff submits matters of tax assessment and collection raise
>the very same public interest concern as matters of direct financial
>expenditure. There is no substantive difference between a dollar of
>tax revenue forgone and a dollar of public money expended by
>government." 
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And never forget, that AIDS was spread worldwide, deliberately, by the
Canadian fag working with Air Canada, as detailed in the documentary
book and film "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON".

Perhaps Harpo refused to attend because he did not want to be
associated with all the filthy disease-spreaders?

On 16 Aug 2006 10:28:58 -0700, "John Galt" 
wrote:

>Lots of wailing (or politicizing) of Stephen Harper not attending the
>AIDS conference -- but lets have a reality check, beyond what Hollywood
>and the liberal left are pitching ok?
>
>AIDS, or *ACQUIRED* Immune Deficiency Syndrome -- is just that, ACQUIRED.
>
>That means by and large, based on individuals choices, they ACQUIRE it;
>and by and large its not through blood transfusions et al -- its
>remains predominately passed on by intravenous drug use, and
>unprotected sex -- where an individual knows the risks, and *chooses*
>to ignore them.
>
>Question:  With AIDS now a manageable disease no longer a death
>sentence with current drug cocktails -- shouldn't world, international
>and goernment attention be 'better' focussed on curring horrible
>diseases that are not AQUIRED by individual (bad) choices -- but
>instead for things like cancer, alzheimers, etc -- for which the victim
>had no choice role to play in aquiring it?
>
>Rather than the liberal left using a lifestyle aquired disease as a
>means to attack a conservative PM -- perhaps they should just shut the
>hell up, and tell their friends to drop the drug needles and start
>wearing rubbers?



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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:48:46 GMT, Chom Noamsky  wrote:
>John Galt wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>>> JG: You are one cold fish.

>> The warmth was sucked from my bones, last tax season -- when the
>> liberal lefties took all my hard earned money as it is; so exscuse me
>> if I don' t support added taxation to rectify what amounts to other
>> peoples lifestyle choices.

>Your opinion epitomizes the folly of myopic conservatives - they fail to see
>long-term economic benefits of social welfare.  AIDS is here in our society
>and you can't unring a bell.  

>The course of action is:

>[1] spend a fortune treating the symptoms, as we are now

Waste of money.

>[2] finding a cure for the disease

Let those involved waste their own money.

>[3] stop all spending and hope the problem just goes away

If spending is stopped, perhaps all the diseased fags will just die,
thereby ending the problem.

>[4] the Galt solution - stand on the street corner giving morality lectures
>and passing judgment on the infected

>Which do you think is the most realistic solution?  

Isolating all the diseased fags on some arctic island, where they can
either live or die.

If necessary lease a gulag from Russia.



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On 11 Aug 2006 19:53:42 -0700, "Jonsa"  wrote:

>WyattEarp wrote:
>> Almost 30 dead Canucks admitted so far, apart from hundreds admitted
>> injured - all for USA & Israel!!
>>
>> How many will it take to bring all the rest of the surviving Canadians
>> home?
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:04:08 -0700, Brian Daily
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >It's time to bring the troops home....
>>
>> >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/11/world/asia/11cnd-afghan.html?hp&ex=1155355200&en=2dfe995e2495db37&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
>What a crock.

>The Canadian soldiers are not there for either USA or Israel. They are
>on behalf of CANADA.  we beleive in freedom and liberty. we believe
>that Islamo-facists are our enemies. we beleive that Afghanis should be
>able to live in security and peace with justice, equality and liberty.
>we believe that Afghanistan can at least rise to the 20th century. We
>beleive that terrorists are scum and cannot be appeased.

>We are not neutral in the war against Islamo-facists. And we certainly
>take sides when the concepts of democracy and liberty are trashed by
>hate spewing, religiously perverse scumbags.

Canada has no legal status to be in Afghanistan.
Canada is not at war against Afghanistan.
Canada is only  there in support of the USA & Israel, who started the
war,so that is why stupid canucks die there!!

Make sure there are enough body bags for the many more to die there -
for the USA & Israel!!


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Let the diseased fag AIDS-spreaders die in their own filth!!

Not one penny of taxpayer money for the perverts!


On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 07:14:23 -0400, "Terry Hansel-Pearson"
 wrote:

>Help grow the work of God and Jesus Christ,
>
>Send $US (cash, small, untraceable bills) only to
>
>http://www.godhatesfags.com
>
>http://www.700club.com/
>
>http://www.patrobertson.com/
>
>http://www.bennyhinn.org
>
>http://www.jimbakkershow.com/
>
>http://www.jsm.org/
>
>http://www.conservative.ca/
>
>If it means going without food or health care for a month, don't worry.  God
>will reward you in the Great Beyond.
>
>Don't forget, if you don't send cash or if you ask for a receipt,
>Jesus Christ will kill you and your soul will rot in Hell forever.
>
>If you fear dying for Israel, God will smite thee!  Enlist Now and fight to
>protect the Christian Holy Land!!



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And never forget, that AIDS was spread worldwide, deliberately, by the
Canadian fag working with Air Canada, as detailed in the documentary
book and film "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON".

Perhaps Harpo refused to attend because he did not want to be
associated with all the filthy disease-spreaders?

On 16 Aug 2006 10:28:58 -0700, "John Galt" 
wrote:

>Lots of wailing (or politicizing) of Stephen Harper not attending the
>AIDS conference -- but lets have a reality check, beyond what Hollywood
>and the liberal left are pitching ok?
>
>AIDS, or *ACQUIRED* Immune Deficiency Syndrome -- is just that, ACQUIRED.
>
>That means by and large, based on individuals choices, they ACQUIRE it;
>and by and large its not through blood transfusions et al -- its
>remains predominately passed on by intravenous drug use, and
>unprotected sex -- where an individual knows the risks, and *chooses*
>to ignore them.
>
>Question:  With AIDS now a manageable disease no longer a death
>sentence with current drug cocktails -- shouldn't world, international
>and goernment attention be 'better' focussed on curring horrible
>diseases that are not AQUIRED by individual (bad) choices -- but
>instead for things like cancer, alzheimers, etc -- for which the victim
>had no choice role to play in aquiring it?
>
>Rather than the liberal left using a lifestyle aquired disease as a
>means to attack a conservative PM -- perhaps they should just shut the
>hell up, and tell their friends to drop the drug needles and start
>wearing rubbers?



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The original poster had asked, whether there are people willing to pay
towards a one-way ticket to China for child molester Whitmore, and all
his crooked judges.

There, the Chinese government really dislikes fags, whom they consider
vermin, and suitable for organ harvesting, provided not too diseased
with AIDS and the like.

I would gladly join in making a modest contribution, if there is an
organised fund to dispose of Whitmore and all his judges.

This is NOT a death threat, merely an offer to contribute towards
having the government of China dispose of this garbage.



On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:39:47 -0700, Vishnu - destroyer of Nazi
Coughlan's support of the Shoah  wrote:
>On 10 Feb 2006 02:02:39 -0800, "Phillipe 'Kill the infidels' Coughlan"
> wrote:
>>James 'the Humble' Noles a écrit :

>No... James 'the  Humble' did not post the comment that the liar
>Nazi Coughlan attempts to attribute to me.

>>> If the Chinese are so efficient at getting rid of their criminals, perhaps
>>> they would accept Dezi, for vivisection, parts,or similar?

>>> There must be enough people willing to contribute towards a one-way ticket for
>>> Dezi to China??

>>Why not spare the expense, NN, 

>You're a liar, and the scum of the earth, NC.   And you use the method
>that you've used here because you know I expose you, using only
>your words.  It must be terrible, being you.  To which Nazi Coughlan
>replies -- "It's not easy."  But you've attempted this before.  When
>you have an enemy you try to use any lie, any evil, any sickness
>on your part to hide your own evil.  But all you do, is heap evil
>upon the evil that is already a part of you.  Sick... sick... sick...

>> and send someone to murder me?  After
>>all, you're the only poster to AADP to have publicly called for a
>>contract to be taken out on me ..
>>
>
>LOL... Still lying I see.   Your attempt to transform my word "might"
>into "should" or "hope," is juvenile, but then you are famous for being
>juvenile.  The number of logical fallacies that exist in your attempt
>exceed any reasonable expectation for you to look like anything other
>than a fool for even trying.  For starters -- it violates --
>
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#hominem
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#slope
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#noncausa
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#reification
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#misericordiam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#nonseq
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#bifurcation
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#logicam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#baculum
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#complexq
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#circulus
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#alterapars
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#ignorantiam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#nauseam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#herring
>and finally --
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#strawman
>
>Each of those logical fallacies exist within your attempt to
>transform my comment into meaning an attempt to have
>you killed.  You're a very sick man, but there is no law
>against that, and you are the best thing that ever happened
>to retention as far as the argument of the DP in AADP.
>
>
>Planet Visitor II
>http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
>
>Hey, gentle reader.  Want to see Nazi Coughlan express
>his affection for the life of Kenneth McDuff over the life
>of his own wife.  Pay attention.  here's the proof --
>
>"The murder of an innocent by a wrongly released murderer is the lesser of two
>evils." --  Nazi Coughlan.  See --  
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/45ad448fc2e7ab95
>
>Okay, gentle reader.  This is obviously a fallacy of
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#generalization
>
>An over-generalization, expecting it to be a reasonable argument from a
>reasonable person, yet failing to verify he actually believes it, once
>specific, not-generalized examples are plugged into his comment.
>So first, we need to addresss the issue of who he argues are included
>in that generalized group of "an innocent."  If his argument holds for
>ALL "innocents," then by reason we can plug in a specific value of
>a specific person having a personal connection to the author of the
>comment.  Doing so, we can use his wife, since he has not excluded
>her, and has in fact offered her up to a murder in another of his comments.
>This would be his comment: --
>
>"For principled abolitionists, it would not matter if the murderer killed
>our children, our mothers, our wives.... We _still_ would not support
> their execution."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/fdbc7222cf664006
>
>Now that we have determined a specific "innocent" that he accepts as
>a value to plug in, his comment can be stated as -- "The murder of
>"my wife"by a wrongly released murderer is the lesser of two evils."
>
>Okay... now we need to examine a SPECIFIC example of "wrongly
>released murderer," if his comment is to remain valid throughout the
>spectrum of ALL "wrongly released murderers," since his comment
>was generalized to ALL "wrongly released murderers."  And we have
>the specific example of Kenneth McDuff.  See --
>http://www.geocities.com/verbal_plainfield/i-p/mcduff.html
>
>So if the author of that original comment, Nazi Coughlan, wishes it
>to actually represent a valid comment as written it must be valid
>for all values.  Thus it appears that he believes that this also
>represents his view, using particular values of "his wife" and
>Kenneth McDuff, so he words mean -- "The murder of my wife
>by Kenneth McDuff is the lesser of two evils."  The greater
>evil being in Nazi Coughlan's view, the execution of Kenneth
>McDuff as originally scheduled for a number of other murders
>before murdering Nazi Coughlan's wife.  Oh my... do you really
>love the life of Kenneth McDuff more than the life of your
>wife?  What's going on with you?

>>Y.



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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:06:59 GMT, "Leon Trollski" 
wrote:
>"Bob Loblaw"  wrote in message
>news:GNqLf.65797$H%4.18710@pd7tw2no...

>with pay???  This is disgusting.

The 2 low level cops Bell and Nesbitt were arrested, and charged.
They are the ones now on paid holidays!

But what about their crooked BOSS, the one who gave the orders, and
presumably got MORE THAN THE $437,000?!!



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Deadmonton DOES NOT have a population of over 900,000!!
The city population is just over 500,000!!

The city is using the fictitious figure, to minimise the murder rate
in town!!

Don't forget, that the last 4 cop chiefs have all been canned in
disgrace!
Plus, the crooked cops still have not charged the serial killer of
over 100 women, which is making many think that perhaps it is 
one of the rogue cops doing all the extra murders!!

In fact the new chief this year is from Toronto. He was repeatedly
REFUSED the position of chief there. Mind you, as soon as he leaves
Toronto, Bill Blair the new chief, goes out and arrests 78 gang
members!!

Wonder why Mike Code did nothing about this while he was there as
deputy chief?

Apart from all the convictions against city cops for torture, with
more cops constantly being charged, and killing innocent victims like
last week!!

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:27:54 GMT, "Chom Noamsky"  wrote:

>Edmonton records 37 homicides in 2005 while Toronto records 78.  Considering 
>the relative populations (est. 2004) of these two cities, the per 100,000 
>homicide rate works out to:

>  Edmonton - ( 37 / 947,311 ) * 10^5 = 3.9
>  Toronto - ( 78 / 2,518,772 ) * 10^5 = 3.1

>Oh what a shocker!  You're 25% more likely to become a victim of homicide in 
>Edmonton than Toronto.  What makes me laugh is the Alberta crackpot who 
>claims crime and homicide is somehow special to "Cherrana" and that the 
>problem is mysteriously attributable to "socialism."




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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:05:11 GMT, Carter  wrote:
>Tiberius Rex wrote:
>> The key question was:
>> Why should foreigners - i.e. non-Albertans be offered an extra
>> $5,000.00 not offered to locals?

>Probably because it wouldn't cost that much to get an Albertan to 
>relocate to Alberta.  You talk as if the $5000 dollars is a gift.  It 
>is not, it is relocation costs.

It IS a gift, since Superstore refuses to pay such largesse to local
residents of Alberta, to relocate to Deadmonton or wherever their jobs
are!!

In fact, Stupidstore is NOW offering a $1,000 bonus to new employees,
to be paid AFTER working 1000 hours.

Want to bet they will terminate workers just before 1000 hours, just
to avoid paying?

>BTW, Maritimers are not exactly foreigners, the happen to live in the 
>same country as Albertans.
>Carter

As far as residing in Alberta, they are foreigners.

>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:55:47 GMT, Carter  wrote:
>>> Tiberius Rex wrote:
>>>> Media this past week have been reporting that Westfair Foods,
>>>> operating as Superstore in Alberta have been trying to recruit people
>>>> from the Maritimes, to work in their stores in Alberta.
>>>>
>>>> They are offering Maritimers, besides wages:
>>>> free round-trip airfares
>>>> one month rent paid by Superstore
>>>> all moving/relocation costs
>>>>
>>>> These add up to around an extr5a $5,000 - which Superstore 
>>>> is NOT offering to workers in Alberta!!
>>> Why would Superstore make that offer to Albertans?  Albertans already 
>>> live in Alberta, Don't they?
>>>
>>> Carter
>> 



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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:33:58 GMT, "Sharx35" 
wrote:
>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> Next installment and exposure of city tax department irregularities
>> was in  OPEN COURT, at the MGB Hearing,  March 27.

>> Again, was exposed for all to see, the evidence proving the City
>> allowed the lawyer to be underassessed  for his property at 13723 -
>> 93 St., by HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, for 8 years.

>Is that commercially zoned property, occupied by a residence?

It is a 2 story building, zoned DC5, with lawyer offices on main
floor, and rental apartments on upper floor.

HALF A MILLION DOLLARS each year - for 8 years!
His own papers filed declared the value to be $600,000, while his
friends in the city only assessed for $149,500!!

>> In retaliation, the city assessors incresed the assessment of the man
>> who exposed their graft by 4 TIMES THAT OF HIS NEIGHBOURS!!


>> Yes, the city website is operational in May and June, which allowed
>> some of us the opportunity to get the PROOF, which will be used in
>> the MGB city tax appeals, to PROVE GROSS OR CRIMINAL IRREGULARITIES
>> by the city tax staffers!

>> One must wonder, for whom is Merle Foresth working, since he seems to
>> not care about massive irregularities!!

>> It is now time, to not only FIRE those city employees involved in
>> this massive under-assessment for one of their buddies, but they
>> should also be PROSECUTED for their involvement in this massive FRAUD
>> on the city taxpayers!!

>> How many other friends of city tax department staff are also, still,
>> getting massive under-assessments, worth tens of thousands of dollars
>> per crook, apart from the well-known city lawyer exposed?

>> Time to clean house at city hall, and not just leave it up to
>> Grosvenor to take these crooks to court!!


>> From: arielv2@37.com the filthy crook, wanting everyone to know about
>> how corrupt is the cesspool called Deadmonton, wrote:
>> Newsgroups: edm.general,edm.politics
>> Subject: Re: APPEAL YOUR TAXES!!GRAFT,CORRUPTION in City Tax
>> Appeal-Lawyer Finally Got Taxes Quadrupled!! WHY BE JEWED?
>> Date: 1 Aug 2005 13:21:10 -0700

>> Why do you call our beuatiful city "deadmonton", ?
>> if you don't like it here why are you doing here? why don't you go
>> back to the rat hole you came from (england or whatever hellhole you're
>> from). stop polluting our charming city with your stinking existance. a
>> bullet thru your old and rotten head will be a great solution to your not
>> liking our city. drop dead you fucking nazi!


>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:12:18 -0600, George
>>  wrote:

>>> If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4%
>>> inflation certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim
>>> of the crooks running Deadmonton?!!

>>> If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled
>>> to do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>>> The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against
>>> the City, win!!

>>> Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>>> city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>>> UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>>> The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>>> If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>>> UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>>> Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>>> employed by the city??
>>> Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>>> force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is
>>> getting overpaid?


>>> From: heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>>> Newsgroups:
>>> edm.general,edm.politics,ab.general,ab.politics,can.general Subject:
>>> Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO GET
>>> TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>>> Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>>> It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>>> The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>>> finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to
>>> what it should be.

>>> This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>>> massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and
>>> probably $608,000!!!

>>> Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone
>>> has the guts to force the issue into a court.

>>> How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>>> MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?


>>> heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>>> news:<8e4c980f.0409260720.3cd39d0f@posting.google.com>...
>>>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear
>>>> before the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!

>>>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>>>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>>>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>>>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM
>>>> THE CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!

>>>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>>>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!

>>>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?


>>>> heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>>>> news:<8e4c980f.0408050922.417b9108@posting.google.com>...
>>>>> City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>>>>> value.
>>>>> It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in
>>>>> writing, was $600,000!!

>>>>> No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>>>>> why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>>>>> This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>>>>> massive tax hikes!!

>>>>> No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>>>>> Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax
>>>>> revolt.

>>>>>> Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>>>>>> irregularities involving the city tax department.

>>>>>> Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an
>>>>>> out-of-court settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal
>>>>>> closure of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>>>>>> One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax
>>>>>> assessment hike this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence
>>>>>> that business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the
>>>>>> businesses!!

>>>>>> The right hand did not know what the left did.....


>>>>>> starwars  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>>>>>>> massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is
>>>>>>> knowingly under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!

>>>>>>> This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be
>>>>>>> worth at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is
>>>>>>> huge,has law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second
>>>>>>> floor was assessed last year for less than a quarter of
>>>>>>> value,for only $148,000!!

>>>>>>> After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal
>>>>>>> Court last year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now
>>>>>>> this year it is assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000
>>>>>>> UNDER-ASSESSED!!

>>>>>>> At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!

>>>>>>> Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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Guys, stop discussing ambulances.

How much do you think would be fair pay for the clowns on council,
plus the mare?

I doubt that we would get any candidates if we paid them what they are
REALLY worth, but at least give them something, for wasting hundreds
of millions - say welfare rates?


On 9 Apr 2006 21:38:59 -0000, Dump The Crooks 
wrote:

>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>long suspected.

>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>are endorsing.

>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>Premier of Alberta!!

>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>councvillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?



>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>is a revolutionary act."
>(George Orwell)

>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>"All truth passes through three stages.
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant




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The zionazi ZYDS do not like to be reminded of this!

Evean fat Hermann Goering used jews in his home and in the Luftwaffe.

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:15:15 GMT, "amigo  cabal"
 wrote:

>Germans of Jewish Descent Who Served Hitler

>Possibly one of the most damning indictments of the allegations surrounding 
>the Holocaust and Nazi racial policy, come in an analysis of Germans of part 
>Jewish descent who were not only ardent Nazis but who faithfully served the 
>Nazi state at all levels in its military structure. For if the Nazi state 
>had, as is so often claimed, been hell bent on killing all traces of Jews, 
>it would never have allowed these individuals into positions which they did 
>hold - including army and air force generals.

>As discussed earlier, the Nazi racial laws made specific allowances for such 
>exceptions, and in fact actively sought to assimilate partial Jews into 
>German society, rather than have them re-congregate and form pure Jewish 
>gene pools once again. From the Nazi side, there was therefore no 
>contradiction between the assimilation of part Jews into German society, 
>although this policy is subject to considerable misunderstanding from 
>outside observers.

>As discussed in the book by American Military University professor Bryan 
>Mark Rigg in his book "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers, The Untold Story of Nazi 
>Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military" (University 
>Press of Kansas, Modern War Studies, May 2002) as many as 150,000 men of 
>part Jewish descent, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, 
>even generals and admirals, fought for Nazi Germany right to the bitter end.

>Almost all of these 150,000 men received special exemptions and declarations 
>of being "true Germans", many of these orders being signed by Adolf Hitler 
>himself, in a legal provision known as the Deutschblütigkeitserklärung (or 
>literally, the Declaration of German Blood).

>Above: photographs of Wehrmacht soldier and half-Jew Anton Mayer, typical of 
>those which accompanied an application for exemption under the Nazis' racial 
>laws.

>Above left: Quarter-Jew Admiral Bernhard Rogge wearing his Knight's Cross 
>(Ritterkreuz) with oak leaves. Above right: Adolf Hitler personally declared 
>Luftwaffe Field Marshall Erhard Milch (standing left) as  an Aryan, even 
>though Milch was half-Jewish. To Milch's right, General Wolfram von 
>Richthofen.

>Above right: Half-Jew Luftwaffe General Helmut Wilberg; above right: The 
>military service book of half-Jew Hermann Aub.

>Above left: World War One veteran and half-Jew, General Johannes Zukertort; 
>and above right: Half-Jew Commander Paul Ascher, Admiral Lütjens's first 
>staff officer on the battleship Bismarck.

>Above left: Half-Jew Colonel Walter H. Hollaender, decorated with the 
>Knight's Cross (Ritterkreuz) and German-Cross in Gold; and above right: 
>Half-Jew Wehrmacht soldier Werner Goldberg.

>"KNOWING THE NAZI STATE FOR WHAT IT WAS"

>The significance of these Germans of Jewish descent serving the Third Reich 
>has not been lost on the academic world: for example, the following quote 
>from historian John Keegan in his review of Bryan Mark Rigg's book:
>
>"The revelation that Germans of Jewish blood, knowing the Nazi regime for 
>what it was, served Hitler as uniformed members of his armed forces must 
>come as a profound shock. It will surprise even professional historians of 
>the Nazi years."  - John Keegan, author of The Face of Battle and The Second 
>World War,  (http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html)

>Keegan is of course, mistaken in the one sense, in that even a cursory study 
>of Nazi racial laws will have revealed that the Blood Protection Law of 1935 
>make specific allowances for such cases, and only the general hysteria and 
>ignorance of what the Nazis actually said and did has allowed people to be 
>"shocked" by the large number of part Jews serving the Reich.

>The phrase "knowing the Nazi regime for what it was" above by Keegan, is 
>however the real significant part: for indeed, if the Nazis had been mass 
>murdering, gassing and burning millions of Jews, it is extremely unlikely 
>that these 150,000 prominent Germans of part Jewish descent, would have 
>served the Reich at all, never mind having made specific application to be 
>granted full Aryan status - especially given that there were only 
>approximately 600,000 full blooded Jews in Nazi Germany.




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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:27:17 GMT, dangdangdoodle3
 wrote:
>In article ,
> "NDP Rogue"  Socilaists.6768447746865.gov> wrote:

>> Former Vancouver police officer faces child pornography charges

>> VANCOUVER (CP) - A former police officer who once ran the department's
>> school-liaison program faces child pornography charges. John Dragani has
>> been charged with one count of possession of child pornography and one count
>> of accessing child pornography. Dragani, who was a sergeant, was suspended
>> without pay last year until he retired. Vancouver Constable Tim Fanning says
>> Crown counsel approved the charges after an aggressive police investigation.
>> Fanning says the allegations were embarrassing, but it's also an opportunity
>> to show when criminal conduct is alleged against an officer they take it
>> seriously. Dragani was arrested Monday at his Vancouver home and will face
>> the charges in Surrey provincial court.

>It would take 5 or 6 minutes to charge anyone else, but for this cop, it 
>took over a year and apparently he was allowed to retire. Plus he 
>appears to be minimally charged, where as someone else would have the 
>book thrown at them.

>Any cop caught breaking the law on duty should have automatically 
>doubled sentencing because they've also broken the public's trust which 
>they have agreed to keep. I'm sure people like Harper, who believe in 
>longer sentences to protect the public would agree with me, if he's not 
>a being a bloody hypocrite again.

Typical of the crooked police forces in Canada!
Since they could not completely cover it up, they allowed the crooked
cop to resign, so he could collect his pension and other benefits!!

Subject: Re: ZYD Friedman-KIDDIE PORN DISTRIBUTOR , from Synagogue!!
He Did No Jail Time!! Edmonton Man,Not Jew, Gets 3 1/2 Years!

On 18 Mar 2006 20:14:27 -0000, Ariadne wrote:
And Robert Welldumb could find nothing wrong with the detailed report,
so he complains about the TRUTH:

Welldumb could not explain why the crooked ZYD got no jail, while the
white man in Edmonton got 3 1/2 years in jail - FOR AN EVEN LESSER
OFFENCE!!

One must wonder, is Welldumb another kiddie porn distributor?

>Notice that Ted had listed at least 2 different Friedman
>JEW CHILD MOLESTERS!!

>Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former cantor of
>the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?

>He is the one caught as a major international distributor of KIDDIE PORN, from
>his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back to Boston, where the
>FBI picked him up!!

>But for a white man convicted of similar charges, the white guy in Edmonton gets 3 1/2 years in jail!!

One must question the preferential treatment given to the KIDDIE PORN
DISTRIBUTOR OPERATING FROM THE SYNAGOGUE!!

Why was he allowed to avoid jail, when a white man gets 3 1/2 years,
deservedly?

What did the crooked judge in that case receive for his generosity?

Looks like the Canadian public got JEWED, again!!
________________________________________
>On 31 Dec 2005 11:49:41 -0800, "Iamhere"  wrote:
>
>>If your piece is fact, what is the major deal about one Jewish pervert
>>vis a vis the thousands of priests who earned their prayer beads by
>>buggering little boys? I say you are a goyische hypocrite.
>>Iamhere
>>======================================================================================
>>Ted Dichtler wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:11:31 -0700, ariadne 
>>> wrote:
>
>>> Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former
>>> cantor of the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?
>
>>> He is the one caught as a major international DISTRIBUTOR of KIDDIE
>>> PORN, from his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back
>>> to Boston, where the FBI picked him up!!
>
>>> Story as reported by newspaper follows:
>>> kenmcvay  Feb 14 1999, 1:00 am
>>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.ukrainian,
>>> soc.culture.palestine
>>> From: kenmc...@in.vino.veritas.lies
>>> Date: 1999/02/14
>>> Subject: Re: NIZKOR Supports ZHID Kiddie Porn Distributor from Synangogue
>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:16:03 GMT, odess...@direct.ca wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>> >wrote:
>
>>> >>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was O.K.
>>> >>J.B.
>>> >No, it would not be OK, no matter who is the pervert.
>
>>> >What is of concern, is whether the 3 NON-JEWS presently charged with
>>> >similar crimes, will now also be allowed to leave Canada, without
>>> >having to spend the normal 5 years in prison?
>
>>> >Or, is this generosity only available to damn JEW KIDDIE PORN
>>> >DISTRIBUTORS, especially if they are connected to a synagogue??
>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>
>>> ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>> By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>
>>> A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>> hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>> fined $2,200 in court Tuesday.
>
>>> The fine was paid and Suart David Friedman, a
>>> well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>> the country for his native United States.
>
>>> It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>> hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>> collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>> connected to an international child pornography ring.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>> possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>> police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>> cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>> and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>> collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>> diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>
>>> ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>> Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>> Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>> material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>> Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>> from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>> ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>> pornography that's out there.''
>
>>> Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>> September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>> regional intelligence officer.
>
>>> Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>> want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>> photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>
>>> Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>> planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>> can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>> Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>> taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>> difficult time.''
>
>>> The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>> son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>> October, Mrs. Fox said.
>
>>> Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>> elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>> appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>> Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>> and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>
>>> Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>> his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>> provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>> judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>
>>> ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>> Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>> public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>> they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>> get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>
>>> Article Segment 2 of 2
>>> (Ge
>>> (Get All
>
>>> Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>> and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>> electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>
>>> Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>> that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>> conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>> with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>> intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>
>>> The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>> help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>> said.
>
>>> Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>> specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>> this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>> enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>
>>> Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>> of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>> are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>> comment.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>> $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>> ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>> confiscated.
>
>>> After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>> to be with his family.
>
>>> Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>> maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>> did say there was a plea bargain.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>> in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>> posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>> prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>> prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>
>>> ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>> who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>> the media.
>>> ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>> about how we will handle this.''
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>> possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>
>>> Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>> partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>> material.
>
>>> With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>> The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>
>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org
>
>
>>> >On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:54:44 +0100, "mkarwan"  wrote:
>
>>> >>http://judicial-inc.biz/freidman_pedophiles_from_hell.htm
>
>>> >One Of Jewry's Most Explosive Incidences
>
>>> >Every now and then, there is a crime so ghastly, that even the Jewish media
>>> >control can't prevent the world from knowing. The crimes of the Friedmans were
>>> >so atrocious, that no string pulling was going to stop this investigation.
>
>>> >They were running a day care in the morning, and teaching computers to 8, 9,
>>> >and 10 yr olds in the afternoon.
>
>>> >They were found to have molested  hundreds of children, and taken extensive
>>> >video and photographic files on their molestations.
>
>>> It seems that much of the pornography and especially KIDDIE PORN
>>> rackets worldwide are run by the JEWS!

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


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7500 Bellerive #1807
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1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and
is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a
grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just 
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.




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Cops are NOT more valuable to society than are ordinary citizens,
period!

Citizens MUST have the right to arm themselves, such weapons to be
used for self-defence of self,family and property.

As it is, cops now have far too much extra rights which the public do
not. Plus, many are terribly overpaid for what little work they
actually do.


On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:24:32 +0100, "Uno-Hoo!"
 wrote:
>"The Rifleman"  wrote in message 
>news:8fWdnftWiZtFtTjZnZ2dnUVZ8qqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Are the people who serve as policemen in the UK more valuable than the 
>> rest of society, are the individual lives of police officers MORE valuable 
>> than say district nurses, firemen, shop keepers, busdrivers, train 
>> drivers, office workers ?

>> Whom do criminals target in order to commit offences ? do robbers and 
>> muggers target the public or the police in general?

>> When gangs of thugs go stealing, mugging, raping, happy slapping etc who 
>> do they target , the cops or the public?

>> When the modern pastime of terrorism is unleashed upon the nation to whom 
>> are the terrorists trying to kill, the police or the public?

>> What do YOU choose, (A) Preferably not to become a victim of crime, or (B) 
>> to be happy knowing that after you have been robbed, mugged , raped, etc 
>> the police will make a good effort to try and find then detain the 
>> attackers who may have just ruined your life?

>> Is the life of your teenage daughter less valuable than a teenage femail 
>> police officer ?
>> Is the life of your hard working son less valuable than a policemans 
>> because he works driving a bus or train?
>> Is the doctor and nurse caring for for gran in A & E after she fell less 
>> valuable than the constable and sergeant manning the local beat office on 
>> your estate?

>> In our society thanks to the combined efforts of the liberal left, 
>> politicised police service, tabloid media  we are now just a nation of 
>> victims in waiting.
>> While our cops are ever better armed and equipped, our politicians and 
>> justices better protected, the criminal fraternity better armed and tooled 
>> up than ever the British public is now left to await the pleasure of the 
>> next criminal who comes along.

>> We now live in a society where upon the do gooders and anti everything 
>> brigade would prefer to read the the mornings paper how your teenage 
>> daughter was raped and strangled as she walked home from work, than read 
>> about how she either shot or debilitated her attacker with a gun/ CS 
>> spray/ baton/ stun gun.
>> The complete and utter liars in the police and government keep spreading 
>> the untruth that if you arm yourself to protect yourself , the chances are 
>> your weapon will be taken from you and used against you.  In that case why 
>> do the police bother with batons and sprays and stun guns?

>> Yesterday on the news a senior police officer was talking about the couple 
>> who were shot dead in their Norfolk home, they had been forced to move 
>> home after previous attacks on them bey criminals seeking vengence against 
>> their son ( a convicted murderer). I quote him " they were completely 
>> DEFENCELESS" when the gunmen arrived , forced their way into the victims 
>> home and shot them dead. ( the police took hours to arrive after the 
>> victims gave them info that their was people stalking their home).
>> If this innocent couple had at least been given the option on defending 
>> themselves, and had been allowed the right to choose if they wish to equip 
>> themselves with perhaps a shot gun or hand gun, then perhaps, just perhaps 
>> they would still be here to live their lives.

>> So is your life and the lives of your family less valuable than that cop 
>> who is just about to do you for speeding, or the cop who says they can 
>> come today because they are to busy?  The anti gun lobby are so wrong, it 
>> is a crime against humanity to put decent law abidding people in harms way 
>> by denying them not only the right to choose if they wish to defend 
>> themselves, when condoning the ever increased arming and equpping of the 
>> police who are not the victims of crime.
>> Cops are armed and protected, most politicians are well guared, some armed 
>> and mostly well protected as are the justices ( At our expense of course) 
>> . Criminals are more violent than ever, they to are better armed than 
>> ever, Yet the public are just left to be victims in waiting, its time we 
>> reclaimed our rights to choose how we protect ourselves.

>Sigh............... we must have had this debate a hundred times and the 
>result is always the same. The sensible ones recognise that arming the 
>populace would only make matters considerably worse - and the less sensible 
>ones disagree.

>Uno-Hoo! 




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With all the recent bad publicity about crooked Edmonton cops and
their torturing civilians, what is the latest news about their Income
Tax Frauds?

Are the crooked Edmonton cops being featured in today's report from
the federal Auditor-General?

Alan B - any updates?

On 1 Dec 2005 21:15:19 -0000, (AntiCrookedCoppers) wrote:
>As other, qualified accountants have detailed, CRA are completely correct in
>prosecuting these crooked cops, for faking in, as to who got paid, before taxes!
>
>It seems that some of these crooked cops used the names of other cops, to minimise
>their taxes, under the table so to speak.
>Who did they think they were, the Bronfman Jews?
>
>One more black mark against the crooks in the Edmonton Police farce!!
>
>On 7 Nov 2005 06:38:03 -0800, "Alan Baggett"  wrote:
>
>>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/11/05/1293866-sun.html
>
>>The Canada Revenue Agency is investigating a police watchdog group's
>>complaint into whether Edmonton cops should be able to bank overtime
>>hours and share them with each other.
>
>>Marshall Deslauriers, chairman of the self-appointed Citizens Committee
>>For Police Oversight, formally filed a complaint yesterday.
>
>>Atop his group's list of concerns is that officers may be permitted to
>>"manipulate and alter wage tax obligations by using a system of
>>"banking" and selective "allocation" for their overtime hours."
>
>>Acting police Chief Darryl da Costa has said that sharing overtime is a
>>longstanding practice that allows officers to pass on their banked time
>>to another officer who needs time off for a family emergency or crisis.
>
>>He said earlier this week that if there is a legal issue with the
>>practice, the EPS will look into it.
>
>>Under their contract, Edmonton cops can bank up to 320 hours of
>>overtime at any given time. The OT can be used whenever they wish, paid
>>out at the end of the year or given to other cops, who may use it as
>>they see fit.
>



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On 8 Dec 2005 23:03:36 GMT, Wally Cleaver 
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:13 -0000, <11ph7h9mknc6k94@corp.supernews.com>
>kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>In article <1642514.PtBnYVMG7h@Xn1>, 127.0.0.1 <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>> In article <1134066915.228014.96670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>>>>>Kenny McVay wrote:

>>>> [routine grosvomit]

>>>About the famous "gas chamber" in the Auschwitz I camp, Conan writes: 
>>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html
>>
>>As to Dr. Piper's response to David Cole, see his letter to the Daily Texan:
>>
>>Archive/File: people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093
>>Last-Modified: 1994/11/12
>>
>>
>>                                                     ogwiqcim, October21,1993
>>                Dr Franciszek Piper
>>                Pa'nstwowe Muzeum
>>                32-603 Ogwiecim -Poland

>The above could be a forgery seeing how it is at your website which I have
>proven deals in forgeries!

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
>Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
>Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT
>
>								Tavish
>
>     ~~Ken McVay Lying About His Financing Via S.A.A.F. Nizkor Fund~~
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
>Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
>Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
>Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1@news.tht.net>
>(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
>Mr. Bradbury, wishing to demonstrate how ill-equipped he is to deal with
>evidence of any sort... What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The
>Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San
>Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very
>bright... Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" 
>
>
>As for Ken McVay's bold faced lie: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate
>is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with
>the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." BUT I have "demonstrated" the
>association between the Nizkor Project and the San Antonio Area Foundation -
>Nizkor Fund and all with Ken McVay's very own words below!
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvl6g$ctm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
>Nizkor Project should be made payable to:
>   SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>Date: 1996/09/05
>Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>..In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>	"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>We thank all of you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
>Project. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial 
>improvements in service.
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/72d376fef3c983cf?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvbkg$auc@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>
>In article <31c2fa3a.16855786@news.annap.infi.net>, 
>hk@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote:
>
>>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perahps can
>>talk.
>
>Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
>by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
>work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
>	SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and mail them to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>...By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
>and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
>difference it makes who finances my work... I fail to see
>how my financing changes that.
>
>
>"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
>contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
>-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
>http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
>(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)



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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:06:33 -0500, Tommy  wrote:

>The Numbers Decline, The Controversy Increases 
>Multiple Sources
>1-21-5

>It is past time for an international investigation conducted by truly
>impartial scientists, researchers and scholars into the reality of
>Auschwitz to properly and as accurately as possible bring history into
>accord with the facts. Peoples of all religions and persuasions have a
>right to such facts. So far, as the following data demonstrates, we are a
>long way from a consensus on the truth of what happened at Auschwitz in
>WWII. 
 
>9,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by the French documentary, Night and Fog, which has been shown
>to millions of school students worldwide. 
 
>8,000,000 
 
>Source: The French War Crime Research Office, Doc. 31, 1945. 
 
>7,000,000 
>  
>Source: Also cited by the French War Crime Research Office. 
>  
>6,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in the book Auschwitz Doctor by Miklos Nyiszli. It has since
>been proven that this book is a fraud and the "doctor" was never even at
>Auschwitz, even though the book is often cited by historians. 
>  
>5,000,000 to 5,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in 1945 at the trial of Auschwitz commander Rudolf Höss, based
>on his confession which was written in English, a language he never spoke. 
>  
>5,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited on April 20, 1978 by the French daily, Le Monde. Also cited on
>January 23, 1995 by the German daily Die Welt. By September 1, 1989, Le
>Monde reduced the figure to 1,433,000. 
>  
>4,500,000 
>  
>Source: In 1945 this figure was cited by another witness at the
>aforementioned Höss trial. 
>  
>4,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by a Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially
>acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial. This figure was also
>reported in The New York Times on April 18, 1945, although 50 years later
>on January 26, 1995, The New York Times and The Washington Post slashed the
>figure to 1,500,000 citing new findings by the Auschwitz Museum officials.
>In fact, the figure of 4,000,000 was later repudiated by the Auschwitz
>museum officials in 1990 but the figure of 1,500,000 victims was not
>formally announced by Polish President Lech Walesa until five years after
>the Auschwitz historians had first announced their discovery. 
>  
>3,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in the 1991 edition of the Dictionary of the French Language
>and by Claude Lanzmann in 1980 in his introduction to Filip Muller's book,
>Three Years in an Auschwitz Gas Chamber. 
>  
>3,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in a forced confession by Rudolf Höss, the Auschwitz commander
>who said this was the number of those who had died at Auschwitz prior to
>Dec. 1, 1943. Later cited in the June 7, 1993 issue of Heritage, the most
>widely read Jewish newspaper in California, even though three years
>previously the authorities at the Auschwitz museum had scaled down the
>figure to a minimum of 1,100,000 and a maximum of 1,500,000. (see below). 
>  
>2,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Rudolf Vrba (an author of various fraudulent accounts of
>events he claims to have witnessed at Auschwitz) when he testified on July
>16, 1981 for the Israeli government's war crimes trial of former SS
>official Adolf Eichmann. 
>  
>2,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Leon Poliakov (1951) writing in Harvest of Hate; Georges
>Wellers, writing in 1973 in The Yellow Star at the Time of Vichy; and Lucy
>Dawidowicz, writing in 1975 in The War Against the Jews. 
>  
>2,000,000 to 4,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Yehuda Bauer in 1982 in his book, A History of the
>Holocaust. However, by 1989 Bauer revised his figure to 1,600,000. 
>  
>1,600,000 
>  
>Source: This is a 1989 revision by Yehuda Bauer of his earlier figure in
>1982 of 2,000,000 to 4,000,000, Bauer cited this new figure on September
>22, 1989 in The Jerusalem Post, at which time he wrote "The larger figures
>have been dismissed for years, except that it hasn't reached the public
>yet." 
>  
>1,500,000 
>  
>Source: In 1995 this was the number of Auschwitz deaths announced by Polish
>President Lech Walesa as determined by those at the Auschwitz museum. This
>number was inscribed on the monument at the Auschwitz camp at that time,
>thereby "replacing" the earlier 4,000,000 figure that had been formally
>repudiated (and withdrawn from the monument) five years earlier in 1990. At
>that time, on July 17, 1990 The Washington Times reprinted a brief article
>from The London Daily Telegraph citing the "new" figure of 1,500,000 that
>had been determined by the authorities at the Auschwitz museum. This new
>figure was reported two years later in a UPI report published in the New
>York Post on March 26, 1992. On January 26, 1995 both The Washington Post
>and The New York Times cited this 1,500,000 figure as the new "official"
>figure (citing the Auschwitz Museum authorities). 
>  
>1,471,595 
>  
>Source: This is a 1983 figure cited by Georges Wellers who (as noted
>previously) had determined, writing in 1973, that some 2,000,000 had died. 
>  
>1,433,000 
>  
>Source: This figure was cited on September 1, 1989 by the French daily, Le
>Monde, which earlier, on April 20, 1978, had cited the figure at 4,000,000. 
>  
>1,250,000 
>  
>Source: In the book, The Destruction of the European Jews, by Raul Hilberg
>(1985). 
>  
>1,100,000 to 1,500,000 
>  
>Source: Sources for this estimate are Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum
>in their 1984 book, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. This estimate was
>later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of the U.S. Holocaust
>Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on September 8, 1998. The
>upper figure of 1,500,000 is (the new) "official" figure as now inscribed
>at Auschwitz, with the earlier figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from
>the memorial at the site of the former concentration camp. 
>  
>1,000,000 
>  
>Source: Jean-Claude Pressac, writing in his 1989 book Auschwitz: Technique
>and Operation of the Gas Chambers. This is interesting since he wrote his
>book to repudiate so-called "Holocaust deniers" who were called that
>precisely because they had questioned the numbers of those who had died at
>Auschwitz. 
>  
>900,000 
>  
>Source: Reported on August 3, 1990 11, by Aufbau, a Jewish newspaper in New
>York. 
>  
>800,000 to 900,000 
>  
>Source: Reported by Gerald Reitlinger in his book, The Final Solution. 
>  
>775,000 to 800,000 
>  
>Source: Jean-Claude Pressac's revised figure, put forth in his 1993 book,
>The Crematoria of Auschwitz: The Mass Murder's Machinery, scaling down his
>earlier claim of 1,000,000 dead. 
>  
>630,000 to 710,000 
>  
>Source: In 1994 Pressac scaled his figure down somewhat further; this is the
>figure cited in the German language translation of Pressac's 1993 book
>originally published in French. Again, this is substantially less than
>Pressac's 1989 figure of 1,000,000. 
>  
>135,000 to 140,000 
>  
>Source: This is an estimate based on documents held by the International
>Tracing Service of the Red Cross. It is known that International Tracing
>Service has a complete set of registration documents. This is thought to
>include a complete set of roll-call data which includes twice daily tallies
>of those who died. Although the International Tracing Service of the Red
>Cross has such records, they have never officially published an accurate
>count of those who died, or even an accurate report as to exactly which
>documents they hold. However, totals from these records have been obtained
>by various interested parties. 
>  
>The estimate of 135,500 is roughly corroborated by the "Auschwitz death
>books." The death books themselves are wartime German camp records, which
>were captured by the Soviets towards the end of the war, and hidden in
>Soviet achieves, until released to the Red Cross in 1989. 
>  
>The death books consist of 46 volumes which document each death at Auschwitz
>(each death certificate consists of the deceased person's full name,
>profession and religion, date and place of birth, pre-Auschwitz residence,
>parents' names, time of death, and cause of death as determined by a camp
>physician). The records for the most important years, 1942 and 1943, are
>almost complete (there are also a few volumes for the year 1941, but none
>for the year 1944 or January 1945 (when Auschwitz was evacuated)). 
>  
>The Auschwitz death books contain the death certificates of some 69,000
>individuals, of whom about 30,000 were listed as Jews. You may view various
>entries in the Auschwitz Death Books by clicking on the following links to
>the Auschwitz museum: 
>  
>Using all available wartime records from the various camps it has been
>estimated that between 400,000 and 
>500,000 people died in the German concentration camp system (from all
>causes). 
>  
>The ever declining numbers of alleged dead at Auschwitz, are graphically
>illustrated by the plaques from the camp. 
>  
>The first is the plaque that was on display at the Auschwitz camp from 1948
>until 1989 and states "4 million" victims. 
>  
>The second plaque currently on display at Auschwitz has the dramatically
>reduced number of victims, now only 1.5 million. 
>  
>A casual reduction in the number of deaths by some 2.5 million. 
>  
>Deaths at Auschwitz drop by a stunning 2.5 million, but the legendary
>6,000,000 figure remains the same.
>http://www.rense.com/general62/auch.htm



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On 30 Sep 2004 18:41:39 -0000,  Student Woes wrote:

>Students complaining about exorbitantly high tuition fees
>should be complaining about all the deadwood profs on
>tenure, drawing obscenely high wages and benefits!!

>So-called professors giving unwanted and useless courses
>to 17 so-called students, (most of whom are natives having
>costs paid by taxpayers,) while drawing $120,000 or so in
>wages, is unfair to poor students struggling to pay for
>tuition, books, other fees, and of course living expenses
>such as rent and food.

>If the students would finally get angry enough to force
>university administrations to ABOLISH TENURE, then perhaps
>tuition fees would actually drop to a more acceptable level.

>Why not abolish all tenured profs, if they can not find enough
>suckers to pay the costs of their wages,class facilities and all
>the other costs connected to having a particular program. In other
>words, have only courses that students who must pay, actually want.

>If the courses are not useful to graduates in obtaining
>worthwhile employment, then the university should not be
>having useless profs sucking at the public teat, to the
>increased cost to students as well.

>How many so-called university graduates are good only for
>a part-time job at McGrungy's, because the courses for
>which they got ripped-off, are not worth anything in the
>real world of employment!!

>FIRE ALL THE USELESS PROFS, [especially those that are PC]
>and let them try to earn a living in the real world.Most of
>these profs would probably have to go on welfare!!



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On Fri, 26 May 2006 19:52:23 GMT, "TJ"  wrote:

>get a grip will you...over 100 bodies...ya right...show me the stats on that 
>1...just because they are missing that doesn't prove they are dead, they 
>lead a dangerous life sytle and move all over the place. If anything we need 
>better looking hookers instead of the skank we have walking the streets.

It is the media who have tabulated more than 100 bodies of sex trade
workers in the past few years.

>suuurrreeeeeee....we are all wondering if it's a cop, what BS....
>
>and how do you know it's "1" killer or a cop for that matter...maybe more 
>than 1....your watching to much tv my friend.....

Perhaps, but surely you are not denying the fact, that a crooked cop
would easily know how to cover his trail, so his brother cops would
not bother to investigate? Particularly the cops hired and promoted
over the past 20 years!

>better get your facts straight....as for Boyd, he has done a bang up job 
>since he has been here. Our police service is so screwed up it was a wonder 
>Boyd or anyone would take the job. But he did get them to up the salary to 
>$250 grand a year to take the job, nice cheque every 2 weeks eh.......


You failed to answer the question in the header - why was he
constantly REFUSED THE TOP JOB IN TORONTO?
Was it something to do with his wife also being on the public trough
there?

>there's nothing to wonder, he's doing a great job and has the respect of the 
>people in this city and from the members of the EPS...it's the members of 
>the EPS I would wonder about.

Who says he has the respect of the public here, apart from you?

>they all seem taser happy these days....
 Including the kids of the former chief, don't forget...

>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:6ojc72t48htptgc2kogrektlb7qbask92s@4ax.com...
>> Why Cop Mike Boyd , who was Deputy Chief for ages, Refused as Chief of
>> Police Toronto?
>>
>> If you have inside info on this, kindly post, so we all can know.
>>
>> Now that he is chief cop in Edmonton, people there are starting to
>> wonder also.
>>
>> Since he left Toronto, all of a sudden there is anti-gang arrests in
>> volume. Why so little real anti-criminal work while Boyd was in
>> Toronto?
>>
>> In Edmonton, the serial killer continues his depredations against sex
>> trade workers, with the total now well over 100 bodies!!
>>
>> But no arrests by the Edmonton cops, which has people wondering
>> whether the killer is one of the cops? 
>



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DEFINITELY A REAL SCAM!!

Canada Immigration is extremely apprehensive about letting people from
Poland or Palestine enter Canada, because of control of Canada by
ZYDS, who dislike the Polish and Palestinians because they blame
Poland for Oswiecim!!

More importantly, reputable universities and colleges NEVER USE
SO-CALLED RECRUITING FIRMS TO FIND STUDENTS!!

As for High School programs, such are available for less cost in
Singapore or Malaysia, or even Australia or New Zealand.

Save your money and avoid such scams!!

By the way, legitimate immigration consultants MUST BE REGTISTERED
WITH CANADA IMMIGRATION.
There is no knowledge of this business with the Government of Canada!!


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Jeff, dear fool, the story is completely true, and correct.

Whether  you work for Sears, or not, may all your personal ID be
obtained by an identity thief, so that you may understand the problem.


On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:04:37 GMT, "Jeff Stapleton"
 wrote:
>"Nemesis"  wrote in message 
>news:REM5A56038898.528287037@twistycreek.com...
>> It seems that Sears in Canada is illegally distributing personal data of 
>> its' customers.

>> A charge has been filed with the Alberta Privacy Commissioner, proving 
>> that a major Sears store in Edmonton illegally provided personal confidential 
>> information of  a customer, to someone who was most definitely NOT the customer. 
>> The Alberta government  is prosecuting, to teach Sears that they are not above the law.

>> This situation came to light when the victim received in the mail, from an 
>> anonymous source,  the actual store copy of the receipt involved.

>> HIS personal info including 2 unlisted phone numbers were clearly printed 
>> on the invoice  receipt, together with ther actual customer's VISA card number.
>> Someone had even written on the bill, "wrong number", but the customer was 
>> still given all the details of the original Sears customer.

>> In other words, one MUST NOT TRUST SEARS!


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)


>yo spammer give it up already 




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Local residents MUST be brain damaged, otherwise, why have they not
PROSECUTED their last 4 chiefs of police for their acts, instead of
giving them payoffs of up to HALF A MILLION DOLLARS?

On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 05:59:45 GMT, Brian K
 wrote:

>On 7/1/2006 8:32 PM  gel did the "monkey dance", then made these writings:
>> Edmonton ,Alberta is the only city in North America where houses only a
>> miles or two from three major refineries are sky rocketing in price.
>>    Three major refineries and a few chemicals plants are operating just
>> a few miles from downtown Edmonton.
>>   But the people overthere are considering themselves the happiest
>> people in Canada.
>>   Even if some house are only a mile away from the refineries people
>> live in it and see the value of their property increase.
>>   Basically no one in Edmonton realize that the refineries causes cancer
>> and other disease.
>>  Edmonton has been under the power of the same provincial government
>> aver 40 consecutives years.Only the communist country can claim such
>> timeline for a party in power.
>>   The oil refineries are operating just a mile away from the only river
>> in Edmonton.
>>  Asthma level are the highest in the country (Canada).It seems overthere
>> that the people are aphatics.Are they sold to the black gold?

>Houses near refineries are popular with Coneheads (see classic Saturday 
>Night Live).  They'll pay top dollar to "consume mass quantities" there 
>and do things with the Cone Ring. ;-)



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If those replying want to financially support the overpaid
millionaires, then let them.

But NO TAXPAYER MONEY for these overpriced thugs!!

On Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:23:27 GMT, NotMyName
 wrote:

>If the stupid Oilers can pay Pronger $6 MILLION, and he still wants to
>leave Deadmonton, then let the Oilers pay themselves for a new rink,
>not taxpayers!!
>
>If the Oilers can pay Roloson $11 MILLION, then they can afford to pay
>for their own rink!!
>
>After all, the Oilers is a BUSINESS, so let them survive, if at all,
>by satisfying their actual customers.
>
>If they don't, then let them go under, just like Woodwards, Eatons,
>Debajis, and other businesses. With what they pay their thugs,
>players, they are most definitely NOT A CHARITY, or even a city
>service!!


>On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:11:40 -0600, Harry Mazal 
>wrote:
>
>>With the taxpayers already being JEWED OUT OF $2.5 MILLION A YEAR TO SUBSIDIZE
>>FOR THE NEXT 9 YEARS THESE OVERPAID HOCKEY THUGS, WHY SHOULD WE 
>>GIVE THEM ONE BLOODY NICKEL MORE!!
>
>>LET THEM GET THE MONEY NEEDED FROM THEIR SUCCKERS/SUPPORTERS, not taxpayers!
>
>>On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:47:48 -0600, "TopPoster"  wrote:
>
>>>> news:fle0k1l6hc3dsgh7lgkvilhdqf2st41637@4ax.com...
>
>>>> > Saw the headline on the front page of today's Edmonton Journal.
>
>>>> > Possibility that, ten years from now, the Oilers could be moving into a
>>>> > new arena.
>
>>>> > While they have nine years left to run in their lease on Rexall Place,
>>>> > they could be looking for a bit of choice real estate to build a bigger
>>>> > arena with seating for more Edmonton fans.  (I'm working on the
>>>> > assumption here that the Edmonton Investors Group plans to keep the team
>>>> > in Edmonton indefinietly.)
>
>>>> > Assuming no unexpected downturn in the Alberta economy, it is reasonable
>>>> > to expect that by that time Edmonton will be a much larger city than it
>>>> > is today.
>
>>>> > So where to put a new arena.  (I'm guessing sharx would prefer
>>>> > Duggan--because then he'd be guaranteed a new LRT station close to sharx
>>>> > manor.)
>
>>>> Well, I have no objection to a new hockey arena AS LONG AS not one FUCKING
>>>> cent of public funds goes into building it or maintaining it. The fucking
>>>> owners group gets all the profit and the fucking owners group will get all
>>>> the profit from the EVENTUAL sale of the team. Under the current
>>>contracts,
>>>> the owners group has no legal obligation to pay back one FUCKING cent of
>>>> that TWO MILLION a year the city has been paying Northlands SO THAT THE
>>>> FUCKING SPOILERS can use Rexall Place. Do I make myself abundantly FUCKING
>>>> clear?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > --
>>>> > John Fleming
>>>> > Edmonton, Canada
>>
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Freddie, you seem to be ignoring the key point.
Why should Stupidstore be giving FIVE thousand to foreigners not in
Alberta, while offering only ONE thousand to Albertans to relocate?

Moving expenses are tax deductible if moving more than 40 km, so both
would get same tax deductions.

On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 14:30:16 -0500, "Mr Frederick"
 wrote:

>If you would pay attention, they have been soliciting in other provinces as 
>well, including amongst their own employeesa.  None of these people that 
>take them up on the offer are just given a mittful of money.  A single kid 
>living at home with no furniture to move would get what it cost to move, in 
>other words, travel costs, plus the settling in cost.  If there were enough 
>people to fill the jobs in Alberta, at the wages offered, Superstore would 
>not be doing this.
>
>"Jules Striker"  wrote in message 
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>> On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:05:11 GMT, Carter  wrote:
>>>Tiberius Rex wrote:
>>>> The key question was:
>>>> Why should foreigners - i.e. non-Albertans be offered an extra
>>>> $5,000.00 not offered to locals?
>>
>>>Probably because it wouldn't cost that much to get an Albertan to
>>>relocate to Alberta.  You talk as if the $5000 dollars is a gift.  It
>>>is not, it is relocation costs.
>>
>> It IS a gift, since Superstore refuses to pay such largesse to local
>> residents of Alberta, to relocate to Deadmonton or wherever their jobs
>> are!!
>>
>> In fact, Stupidstore is NOW offering a $1,000 bonus to new employees,
>> to be paid AFTER working 1000 hours.
>>
>> Want to bet they will terminate workers just before 1000 hours, just
>> to avoid paying?
>>
>>>BTW, Maritimers are not exactly foreigners, the happen to live in the
>>>same country as Albertans.
>>>Carter
>>
>> As far as residing in Alberta, they are foreigners.
>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:55:47 GMT, Carter  wrote:
>>>>> Tiberius Rex wrote:
>>>>>> Media this past week have been reporting that Westfair Foods,
>>>>>> operating as Superstore in Alberta have been trying to recruit people
>>>>>> from the Maritimes, to work in their stores in Alberta.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are offering Maritimers, besides wages:
>>>>>> free round-trip airfares
>>>>>> one month rent paid by Superstore
>>>>>> all moving/relocation costs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These add up to around an extr5a $5,000 - which Superstore
>>>>>> is NOT offering to workers in Alberta!!
>>>>> Why would Superstore make that offer to Albertans?  Albertans already
>>>>> live in Alberta, Don't they?
>>>>>
>>>>> Carter
>>>>
>> 
>



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Regrettably, all the news reports are correct and TRUE.

Police brutality in Edmonton is so rampant, the Edmonton Journal
newspaper, as well as the TV stations hardly have a day pass, without
yet another expose of more police brutality!!

The media need not fabricate the stories, since the Courts carry the
charges!!

Your comments seem to be along the line of "shoot the messenger of bad
news!"

By the way, reference to Calgary merely confirms the truth, that
Calgary does not have the same problem with crooked cops!
In other words a great place to visit, unlike the cesspool of
Edmonton.


On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:01:38 GMT, "Alohacyberian"
 wrote:
>"Alan Pollock"  wrote in message 
>news:e99ivp$mvk$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> In rec.travel.usa-canada Alohacyberian  wrote:
>>
>>> The comments are so strident that I take them with a grain of salt.  If 
>>> they  were toned down serious people might take them more seriously.  KM
>>
>> It's easy to take some factual basis remote or not, fondle, spin and 
>> expand  into impressions designed to make the vulnerable believe a truth that just
>> doesn't exist.
>>
>> An example - albeit a touch more subtle but not by much - is Michael 
>> Moore's  "documentary" in effect a mockumentary called Farenheit 9-11.
>>
>> I must honestly add that I haven't researched Edmonton because quite 
>> frankly I  could care less. However the hate-posts here have had the opposite of 
>> their  intended effect on me.
>>
>> Edmonton's quite possibly a very good place to visit.
>>
>> Anybody who uses techniques like that of the posters is unworthy of my
>> respect, so in my book Edmonton's still a virgin, at the very least.
>>
>> The haters keep putting ketchup on the eggs of their own undoing. Nex
>>
>I have a friend who lives in Ontario and travels to Calgary, Alberta once a 
>year.  I asked him if he ever goes to Edmonton and he said that he'd been 
>there a few times and hadn't heard anything bad about it.  He was unaware of 
>the flap we've read here.  I, too will probably never go to Edmonton, 
>especially as long as Banff and Lake Louise are alternatives.  So yes, your 
>comparison of the shrill conjectures about Edmonton in this forum to Michael 
>Moore's schlockumentaries do seem apropos.  KM



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The useless cops STILL HAVE NOT caught the serial killer of 107
women!!

Is this because it is one of them?

As former cop Quinn qrote: There is a conspiracy of silence, when it
comes to cops' wrongdoing"!

On 21 Aug 2006 15:35:08 -0700, "NoMoreCrap" 
wrote:
>Jules Striker and his sock puppets wrote:
>
>> Regrettably, all the news reports are correct and TRUE.
>
>However, YOU distort the truth to suit your needs.
>
>> the Edmonton Journal
>> newspaper, as well as the TV stations hardly have a day pass, without
>> yet another expose of more police brutality!!
>
>Well, TODAY passed without one.
>
>Here's what the Journal reported on the cops today.
>
>edmontonjournal.com
>Published: Monday, August 21, 2006
>Edmonton Police made three arrests and discovered a cache of weapons
>after noticing a vehicle run a red light at the intersection of 104th
>Avenue and 101st Street Sunday morning.

>More on this at:  http://tinyurl.com/fno6f
>
>Time to tell the truth;
>NoMoreCrap



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On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:48:46 GMT, Chom Noamsky  wrote:
>John Galt wrote:
>> Roy wrote:
>>> JG: You are one cold fish.

>> The warmth was sucked from my bones, last tax season -- when the
>> liberal lefties took all my hard earned money as it is; so exscuse me
>> if I don' t support added taxation to rectify what amounts to other
>> peoples lifestyle choices.

>Your opinion epitomizes the folly of myopic conservatives - they fail to see
>long-term economic benefits of social welfare.  AIDS is here in our society
>and you can't unring a bell.  

>The course of action is:

>[1] spend a fortune treating the symptoms, as we are now

Waste of money.

>[2] finding a cure for the disease

Let those involved waste their own money.

>[3] stop all spending and hope the problem just goes away

If spending is stopped, perhaps all the diseased fags will just die,
thereby ending the problem.

>[4] the Galt solution - stand on the street corner giving morality lectures
>and passing judgment on the infected

>Which do you think is the most realistic solution?  

Isolating all the diseased fags on some arctic island, where they can
either live or die.

If necessary lease a gulag from Russia.



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Deadmonton DOES NOT have a population of over 900,000!!
The city population is just over 500,000!!

The city is using the fictitious figure, to minimise the murder rate
in town!!

Don't forget, that the last 4 cop chiefs have all been canned in
disgrace!
Plus, the crooked cops still have not charged the serial killer of
over 100 women, which is making many think that perhaps it is 
one of the rogue cops doing all the extra murders!!

In fact the new chief this year is from Toronto. He was repeatedly
REFUSED the position of chief there. Mind you, as soon as he leaves
Toronto, Bill Blair the new chief, goes out and arrests 78 gang
members!!

Wonder why Mike Code did nothing about this while he was there as
deputy chief?

Apart from all the convictions against city cops for torture, with
more cops constantly being charged, and killing innocent victims like
last week!!

On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 22:27:54 GMT, "Chom Noamsky"  wrote:

>Edmonton records 37 homicides in 2005 while Toronto records 78.  Considering 
>the relative populations (est. 2004) of these two cities, the per 100,000 
>homicide rate works out to:

>  Edmonton - ( 37 / 947,311 ) * 10^5 = 3.9
>  Toronto - ( 78 / 2,518,772 ) * 10^5 = 3.1

>Oh what a shocker!  You're 25% more likely to become a victim of homicide in 
>Edmonton than Toronto.  What makes me laugh is the Alberta crackpot who 
>claims crime and homicide is somehow special to "Cherrana" and that the 
>problem is mysteriously attributable to "socialism."




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At least the government of Indonesia know what to do with garbage
people, such as drug dealers.

They know, as do other sensible governments in the area, that an
executed criminal will never re-offend!!

Further, an executed waste of skin, will not cost the taxpayers for
the upkeep in some pampering prison system!!

If only the justice systems in North America would follow suit!!!


On 17 Feb 2006 18:43:24 -0800, "LifeManTalking" 
wrote:

>AUSTRALIA - Few Australians have much sympathy for Andrew Chan and
>Myuran Sukumaran, the two drug traffickers sentenced to death in Bali
>this week for their failed bid to smuggle more than 8kg of heroin on to
>the streets of Sydney.

>The lives of too many of their young people have been destroyed by
>drugs and, as innumerable letters to newspapers and callers to talkback
>radio have pointed out, Chan and Sukumaran could never have been in any
>doubt of the risk they took in running narcotics through Indonesia.

>But the prospect of the pair being taken from Kerobokan jail, tied to a
>tree in some lonely clearing, and shot by a paramilitary firing squad
>raises deep and disturbing moral, political and diplomatic dilemmas for
>a nation that last executed a criminal almost 40 years ago and now
>opposes the death penalty worldwide.

>Their own police provided the information that inevitably led to
>Tuesday's sentence. Their Government welcomed the death penalty given
>to the Bali bombers but opposes the same fate for Australian drug
>traffickers, and public opinion is repulsed by the prospect of
>executions at home but inconsistently accepts them abroad.

>It is a diplomatic minefield that Canberra traversed when
>Vietnamese-born Melburnian Van Tuong Nguyen was hanged in Singapore in
>December for taking heroin through Changi airport, despite Australian
>appeals for clemency.

>It is also a minefield that the nation will confront time and again:
>despite repeated warnings and the appalling reality of executions,
>there will always be people foolish enough to strap drugs to their
>bodies or conceal it in their luggage.

>Almost all will pass through Southeast Asia, the source of most of
>Australia's heroin (the Bali Nine consignment originated in Thailand)
>and where every country but Cambodia compulsorily hangs, shoots or
>lethally injects traffickers.

>Mike Phelan, the head of international operations for the Australian
>Federal Police and the man responsible for giving Indonesia the
>information it needed to arrest the Bali Nine, sees no end to the queue
>of couriers the trade calls "mules".

>"It continues to astound me that people attempt importations and move
>drugs through transit countries knowing that the death penalty exists,"
>he told ABC's Australian Story. "Many young lives get thrown away for
>the law of quick dollars."

>The AFP's role in the arrest of the Bali Nine is among the most
>sensitive of the issues facing Prime Minister John Howard, who has
>already weathered a barrage of criticism that has extended even into
>his own party room.

>The AFP caught the first whispers of a major heroin importing run in
>February last year and, in April, asked the Indonesian police to help
>uncover the members of the syndicate and the source of their supplies.

>Between them, the two forces discovered most of the names and built a
>remarkably accurate picture of their operation, including details of a
>previous successful run and another aborted attempt.

>This co-operation has become increasingly commonplace, spurred by the
>determination of all countries in the region to attack drug trafficking
>and terrorism. Intelligence swapping is required under a number of
>treaties.

>"We make no secret of the fact that the AFP has a policy of forward
>engagement where we want to stop the crimes at the source and (prevent
>them) from reaching Australian shores," Phelan said. "That's a practice
>we will continue to operate within."

>What worries many Australians is the fact that the AFP in effect turned
>over a group of young Australians to a country it knew was likely to
>execute them, rather than arresting them when they arrived home.

>The most emotional response centred on Scott Rush, 20, a drug mule who
>was jailed for life. His family, through lawyer Bob Myers, vainly asked
>the AFP to warn Rush of their interest before he left Australia.

>"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian
>citizen to the death penalty," Myers told Australian Story.

>Rush and fellow mules Renae Lawrence, Martin Stephens and Michael
>Czugaj took the AFP to the Federal Court, claiming it had acted
>illegally by exposing them to the death penalty.

>While a large part of public opinion agreed, the court dismissed the
>action.

>The Government has also sidestepped criticism, pointing out that while
>the relevant treaty with Indonesia contains a clause allowing the
>Attorney-General to refuse to provide evidence if an Australian was
>charged with an offence carrying the death penalty, the AFP was free to
>do as it thought best until charges were laid.

>By the time the Bali Nine were formally charged, all the damaging
>evidence had been gathered.

>Phelan is unrepentant: "Basically all transit countries through which
>drugs come to Australia have the death penalty. The AFP cannot pick and
>choose who it chooses to cooperate with."

>International teamwork in the past few years has significantly reduced
>the flow of drugs into Australia. The most recent Australian Crime
>Commission figures, for 2003-04, show the lowest seizures of heroin for
>a decade.

>Refusal to co-operate abroad would outrage regional governments and
>threaten mutual action against other drug syndicates and terrorism.

>Public opinion in Southeast Asia also strongly favours the death
>penalty for traffickers, with polls in Singapore and Thailand showing
>support of up to 80 per cent.

>In Australia, opinion is more confused. A Morgan poll in November found
>that while only 27 per cent of Australians favoured the death penalty
>for murder, 57 per cent believed drug traffickers caught in Asia should
>die.

>Yet in the specific case of Van Nguyen, opinion was evenly divided.

>In The Australian, a newspoll found that more than 50 per cent of
>Australians favoured the death sentence for people convicted of major
>acts of terrorism.

>Howard now has to weigh all these conflicting factors in framing
>Canberra's approach to the executions of Chan and Sukumaran. He has
>said publicly he has no sympathy for the two men but will vigorously
>pursue Australia's long-standing opposition to the death penalty.

>How that is carried out will test Australian diplomacy.

>Apart from the risks to a fragile relationship, observers have pointed
>out that any blunt approach will almost certainly stiffen backs in
>Jakarta and end any chance of clemency.

>Hopes of saving Chan and Sukumaran now rest with Indonesia's
>inconsistent record in carrying out executions, the fact that in recent
>times only three of the more than 85 prisoners on death row have been
>shot, and the lengthy legal road still to be travelled.

>It may be years before their case moves through the Denpasar provincial
>High Court and the two reviews possible through the Supreme Court in
>Jakarta.

>And though President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has said he will never
>grant clemency to drug traffickers, time and quiet diplomacy may change
>his mind.

>Death penalty Australia's double dilemma 
>
>18.02.06
>By Greg Ansley



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The original poster had asked, whether there are people willing to pay
towards a one-way ticket to China for child molester Whitmore, and all
his crooked judges.

There, the Chinese government really dislikes fags, whom they consider
vermin, and suitable for organ harvesting, provided not too diseased
with AIDS and the like.

I would gladly join in making a modest contribution, if there is an
organised fund to dispose of Whitmore and all his judges.

This is NOT a death threat, merely an offer to contribute towards
having the government of China dispose of this garbage.



On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:39:47 -0700, Vishnu - destroyer of Nazi
Coughlan's support of the Shoah  wrote:
>On 10 Feb 2006 02:02:39 -0800, "Phillipe 'Kill the infidels' Coughlan"
> wrote:
>>James 'the Humble' Noles a écrit :

>No... James 'the  Humble' did not post the comment that the liar
>Nazi Coughlan attempts to attribute to me.

>>> If the Chinese are so efficient at getting rid of their criminals, perhaps
>>> they would accept Dezi, for vivisection, parts,or similar?

>>> There must be enough people willing to contribute towards a one-way ticket for
>>> Dezi to China??

>>Why not spare the expense, NN, 

>You're a liar, and the scum of the earth, NC.   And you use the method
>that you've used here because you know I expose you, using only
>your words.  It must be terrible, being you.  To which Nazi Coughlan
>replies -- "It's not easy."  But you've attempted this before.  When
>you have an enemy you try to use any lie, any evil, any sickness
>on your part to hide your own evil.  But all you do, is heap evil
>upon the evil that is already a part of you.  Sick... sick... sick...

>> and send someone to murder me?  After
>>all, you're the only poster to AADP to have publicly called for a
>>contract to be taken out on me ..
>>
>
>LOL... Still lying I see.   Your attempt to transform my word "might"
>into "should" or "hope," is juvenile, but then you are famous for being
>juvenile.  The number of logical fallacies that exist in your attempt
>exceed any reasonable expectation for you to look like anything other
>than a fool for even trying.  For starters -- it violates --
>
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#hominem
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#slope
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#noncausa
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#reification
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#misericordiam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#nonseq
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#bifurcation
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#logicam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#baculum
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#complexq
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#circulus
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#alterapars
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#ignorantiam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#nauseam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#herring
>and finally --
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#strawman
>
>Each of those logical fallacies exist within your attempt to
>transform my comment into meaning an attempt to have
>you killed.  You're a very sick man, but there is no law
>against that, and you are the best thing that ever happened
>to retention as far as the argument of the DP in AADP.
>
>
>Planet Visitor II
>http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
>
>Hey, gentle reader.  Want to see Nazi Coughlan express
>his affection for the life of Kenneth McDuff over the life
>of his own wife.  Pay attention.  here's the proof --
>
>"The murder of an innocent by a wrongly released murderer is the lesser of two
>evils." --  Nazi Coughlan.  See --  
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/45ad448fc2e7ab95
>
>Okay, gentle reader.  This is obviously a fallacy of
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#generalization
>
>An over-generalization, expecting it to be a reasonable argument from a
>reasonable person, yet failing to verify he actually believes it, once
>specific, not-generalized examples are plugged into his comment.
>So first, we need to addresss the issue of who he argues are included
>in that generalized group of "an innocent."  If his argument holds for
>ALL "innocents," then by reason we can plug in a specific value of
>a specific person having a personal connection to the author of the
>comment.  Doing so, we can use his wife, since he has not excluded
>her, and has in fact offered her up to a murder in another of his comments.
>This would be his comment: --
>
>"For principled abolitionists, it would not matter if the murderer killed
>our children, our mothers, our wives.... We _still_ would not support
> their execution."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/fdbc7222cf664006
>
>Now that we have determined a specific "innocent" that he accepts as
>a value to plug in, his comment can be stated as -- "The murder of
>"my wife"by a wrongly released murderer is the lesser of two evils."
>
>Okay... now we need to examine a SPECIFIC example of "wrongly
>released murderer," if his comment is to remain valid throughout the
>spectrum of ALL "wrongly released murderers," since his comment
>was generalized to ALL "wrongly released murderers."  And we have
>the specific example of Kenneth McDuff.  See --
>http://www.geocities.com/verbal_plainfield/i-p/mcduff.html
>
>So if the author of that original comment, Nazi Coughlan, wishes it
>to actually represent a valid comment as written it must be valid
>for all values.  Thus it appears that he believes that this also
>represents his view, using particular values of "his wife" and
>Kenneth McDuff, so he words mean -- "The murder of my wife
>by Kenneth McDuff is the lesser of two evils."  The greater
>evil being in Nazi Coughlan's view, the execution of Kenneth
>McDuff as originally scheduled for a number of other murders
>before murdering Nazi Coughlan's wife.  Oh my... do you really
>love the life of Kenneth McDuff more than the life of your
>wife?  What's going on with you?

>>Y.



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On 25 Mar 2006 00:36:51 -0000, arielv2  wrote:

>Notice that Ted had listed at least 2 different Friedman
>JEW CHILD MOLESTERS!!

>Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former cantor of
>the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?

>He is the one caught as a major international distributor of KIDDIE PORN, from
>his synagogue. THE CANADIAN COPS ALLOWED THIS FILTHY CRIMINAL to flee back to Boston,
>where the FBI picked him up!!

YET A WHITE CRIMINAL DOING THE SAME, IN EDMONTON, IS GIVEN 3 1/2 YEARS
PRISON!!
Why wasn't the ZYD given similar jail time?


_________________________________________
>On 31 Dec 2005 11:49:41 -0800, "Iamhere"  wrote:
>
>>If your piece is fact, what is the major deal about one Jewish pervert
>>vis a vis the thousands of priests who earned their prayer beads by
>>buggering little boys? I say you are a goyische hypocrite.
>>Iamhere
>>======================================================================================
>>Ted Dichtler wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:11:31 -0700, ariadne 
>>> wrote:
>
>>> Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former
>>> cantor of the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?
>
>>> He is the one caught as a major international DISTRIBUTOR of KIDDIE
>>> PORN, from his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back
>>> to Boston, where the FBI picked him up!!
>
>>> Story as reported by newspaper follows:
>>> kenmcvay  Feb 14 1999, 1:00 am
>>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.ukrainian,
>>> soc.culture.palestine
>>> From: kenmc...@in.vino.veritas.lies
>>> Date: 1999/02/14
>>> Subject: Re: NIZKOR Supports ZHID Kiddie Porn Distributor from Synangogue
>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:16:03 GMT, odess...@direct.ca wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>> >wrote:
>
>>> >>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was O.K.
>>> >>J.B.
>>> >No, it would not be OK, no matter who is the pervert.
>
>>> >What is of concern, is whether the 3 NON-JEWS presently charged with
>>> >similar crimes, will now also be allowed to leave Canada, without
>>> >having to spend the normal 5 years in prison?
>
>>> >Or, is this generosity only available to damn JEW KIDDIE PORN
>>> >DISTRIBUTORS, especially if they are connected to a synagogue??
>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>
>>> ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>> By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>
>>> A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>> hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>> fined $2,200 in court Tuesday.
>
>>> The fine was paid and Suart David Friedman, a
>>> well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>> the country for his native United States.
>
>>> It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>> hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>> collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>> connected to an international child pornography ring.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>> possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>> police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>> cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>> and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>> collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>> diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>
>>> ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>> Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>> Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>> material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>> Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>> from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>> ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>> pornography that's out there.''
>
>>> Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>> September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>> regional intelligence officer.
>
>>> Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>> want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>> photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>
>>> Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>> planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>> can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>> Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>> taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>> difficult time.''
>
>>> The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>> son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>> October, Mrs. Fox said.
>
>>> Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>> elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>> appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>> Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>> and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>
>>> Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>> his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>> provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>> judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>
>>> ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>> Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>> public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>> they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>> get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>
>>> Article Segment 2 of 2
>>> (Ge
>>> (Get All
>
>>> Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>> and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>> electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>
>>> Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>> that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>> conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>> with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>> intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>
>>> The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>> help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>> said.
>
>>> Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>> specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>> this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>> enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>
>>> Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>> of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>> are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>> comment.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>> $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>> ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>> confiscated.
>
>>> After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>> to be with his family.
>
>>> Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>> maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>> did say there was a plea bargain.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>> in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>> posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>> prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>> prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>
>>> ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>> who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>> the media.
>>> ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>> about how we will handle this.''
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>> possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>
>>> Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>> partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>> material.
>
>>> With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>> The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>
>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org
>
>
>>> >On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:54:44 +0100, "mkarwan"  wrote:
>
>>> >>http://judicial-inc.biz/freidman_pedophiles_from_hell.htm
>
>>> >One Of Jewry's Most Explosive Incidences
>
>>> >Every now and then, there is a crime so ghastly, that even the Jewish media
>>> >control can't prevent the world from knowing. The crimes of the Friedmans were
>>> >so atrocious, that no string pulling was going to stop this investigation.
>
>>> >They were running a day care in the morning, and teaching computers to 8, 9,
>>> >and 10 yr olds in the afternoon.
>
>>> >They were found to have molested  hundreds of children, and taken extensive
>>> >video and photographic files on their molestations.
>
>>> It seems that much of the pornography and especially KIDDIE PORN
>>> rackets worldwide are run by the JEWS!
>
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>is a revolutionary act."
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages.
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
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>
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>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
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>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
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>
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>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
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>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late nights.
>
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>
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>
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>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
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>
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>
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>
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The useless cops STILL HAVE NOT caught the serial killer of 107
women!!

Is this because it is one of them?

As former cop Quinn qrote: There is a conspiracy of silence, when it
comes to cops' wrongdoing"!


On 21 Aug 2006 15:35:08 -0700, "NoMoreCrap" 
wrote:
>Jules Striker and his sock puppets wrote:
>
>> Regrettably, all the news reports are correct and TRUE.
>
>However, YOU distort the truth to suit your needs.
>
>> the Edmonton Journal
>> newspaper, as well as the TV stations hardly have a day pass, without
>> yet another expose of more police brutality!!
>
>Well, TODAY passed without one.
>
>Here's what the Journal reported on the cops today.
>
>edmontonjournal.com
>Published: Monday, August 21, 2006
>Edmonton Police made three arrests and discovered a cache of weapons
>after noticing a vehicle run a red light at the intersection of 104th
>Avenue and 101st Street Sunday morning.

>More on this at:  http://tinyurl.com/fno6f
>
>Time to tell the truth;
>NoMoreCrap



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One must wonder, how much is WEM DELIBERATELY UNDER-ASSESSED, compared
to all the financing registered on the property?

Is someone in the city tax assessment department still on the take?

Will Scott Hennig soon have another news story for the media, this
time about WEM?

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:11:49 -0700, Chief Instigator
 wrote:

Next installment and exposure of city tax department irregularities
will be before the ARB on 31st August 2006

>Can't get to MGB sooner, because of flood of appeals filed against crooked
>Edmonton tax department!!
>Seems I am not the only one proving they are crooks.

>Again, will be exposed for all to see, the evidence proving the City allowed
>the lawyer owning the property at 13723 - 93 St. to be deliberately
>underassessed by HALF A MILLION DOLLARS each year, for 8 years!

>In retaliation, the city assessors incresed the assessment of the man who
>exposed their graft by 4 TIMES THAT OF HIS NEIGHBOURS!!

>Notice that Bob Welldumb can not argue the FACTS!
>Is he one of the beneficiaries of the crooks in the city tax department?
>One must wonder why he is so sore about the lawyer finally being forced 
>to pay his proper share of city taxes!!

>Even the City Auditor is admitting he is aware of serious problems in certain
>departments, and is recommending an anonymous "snitch line" to save the 
>City many millions.

>He could start with the city tax assessment section, obviously!!
>Why should Grosvenor who is not paid by the city, have to do the work 
>of the overpaid city employees, who seem to be mainly crooks?

>As has been well documented, friends of the City seem to be able to get
>extremely favourable UNDER-ASSESSMENTS on THEIR properties, while 
>the average citizen has their property OVER-ASSESSED to make up for the
>shortfall!!

>Yes, the city website was operational in May and June, which allowed some of
>us the opportunity to get the PROOF, which will be used in the ARB city tax
>appeals, to PROVE GROSS OR CRIMINAL IRREGULARITIES by the city tax staffers!

>One must wonder, for whom is Merle Foresth working, since he seems to not care
>about massive irregularities!!


>On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:03:12 -0600, KenMcVayAIDS 
>wrote:

>>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>>From: "Brian Boulanger" 
>>Date: 30 Jun 2005 08:02:40 -0700
>>Local: Thurs,Jun 30 2005 10:02 am
>>Subject: Re: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to
>>Roll!!

>>You are completely correct.
>>Unfortunately, the bureaucrats on the city payroll trough have
>>consistently opposed any review, such as Zero Based Budgetting, or MBO
>>Management by Objectives, or any means of quantifying or/and justifying
>>their jobs!
>
>>They know, that if the top 50% of all bureaucrats were fired, there
>>would be absolutely no loss in the actual performance of the city
>>departments.
>
>>In fact, rumour is that performance, and cost/benefit would
>>dramatically improve!!
>
>>
>>Take the local cops for example. We pay seniors there from $120,000 to
>>$180,000 each,plus benefits. All are supposedly fluent in English.
>>Yet they waste over ONE MILLION DOLLARS for their BS hacks and flacks,
>>because they do not want to address the media themselves, but would
>>rather engage in empire building! The million wasted could go instead
>>to hiring some honest cops!
>>
>>As for the council members, there is only one - Mike Nickel - who
>>actually runs a real business, and even he was forced to move it out of
>>
>>Edmonton to Leduc!! The rest of council are all parasites, and lazy
>>ne'er-do-wells.
>>
>>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>>From: f...@bouncemail.ca - Find messages by this author
>>Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:29:23 GMT
>>Local: Fri,Jul 1 2005 4:29 pm
>>Subject: Re: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to
>>Roll!!
>>On 30 Jun 2005 08:02:40 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"  wrote:
>>>You are completely correct.
>>>Unfortunately, the bureaucrats on the city payroll trough have
>>>consistently opposed any review, such as Zero Based Budgetting, or MBO
>>>Management by Objectives, or any means of quantifying or/and justifying
>>>their jobs!
>>
>>>They know, that if the top 50% of all bureaucrats were fired, there
>>>would be absolutely no loss in the actual performance of the city
>>>departments.
>>
>>I believe you and actually have no doubt of this myself.
>>
>>>In fact, rumour is that performance, and cost/benefit would dramatically
>>>improve!!
>>
>>No doubt, look at all the duplication of services we now have. No
>>wonder it is more expensive to buy anything in Canada today then it is
>>to shop in the States. All people have to do is go to the web sites of
>>any governmnent and check out all the departments. See if there is any
>>overlap. Also, one has to take into consideration the use of
>>computers. Seems to me that it takes just as long to push paperwork
>>through as it did when I used to type on a standard typewriter. One
>>should ask themselves why? Too many hands....
>>
>>
>>>Take the local cops for example. We pay seniors there from $120,000 to
>>>$180,000 each,plus benefits. All are supposedly fluent in English.
>>>Yet they waste over ONE MILLION DOLLARS for their BS hacks and flacks,
>>>because they do not want to address the media themselves, but would
>>>rather engage in empire building! The million wasted could go instead
>>>to hiring some honest cops!
>>
>>I am not to sure what you mean here.
>>WHY SHOULD TAXPAYERS HAVE TO [AY MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A BS
>>SECTION AT POLICE HQ, WHEN WE ALREADY OVERPAY THE TOP COPS?!!
>>For what the chief and his deputy goons get paid, they should do their
>>own talking to the media, or else continue lying as their predecessors
>>did, until fired!!
>>
>>>As for the council members, there is only one - Mike Nickel - who
>>>actually runs a real business, and even he was forced to move it out of
>>>Edmonton to Leduc!! The rest of council are all parasites, and lazy
>>>ne'er-do-wells.
>>
>>With all the deductions that businesses get from the federal
>>government in income tax why did Mike Nickel have to move his business
>>to Leduc?
>>
>>PROBABLY BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH ANTI-BUSINESS RED TAPE FOR ANY
>>HONEST BUSINESS TRYING TO SURVIVE IN DEADMONTON?
>>
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:32:48 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On 30 Mar 2006 02:15:16 -0000, Dump The Crooks 
>wrote:

>>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>>long suspected.

>>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>>are endorsing.

>>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>>Premier of Alberta!!

>>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>>councillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?

>I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT. I am tired of politicians thinking they can
>just run for office and then increase homeowners taxes just so they
>can give themselves more and more raises. It is NOT RIGHT no matter
>who they are paying to say that it is. The cost of living in Edmonton
>is way lower than Calgary or Toronto, there are fewer people living in
>Edmonton, and most of all which of the people that are running this
>city have a university degree?? After all, in order to make that kind
>of money most people NEED to have a university degree. 

You do not need to have a university degree to be a capable
administrator of billions of dollars.

You should at least be a successful BUSINESS OWNER.
Out of current 13 clowns on council, apparaently only Mike Nickel owns
a successful business.

Further, council members should be HONEST, and not support corruption
and criminality, and similar. This council went so far as to give a
payoff of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to the former disgraced chief cop,
who had been fired for just cause!!

No honest, competent business managers would have colluded as they
did!!



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In May, the crooks in the city Tax Assessment Department will be
mailing out the fictitous assessments for taxation for this year.

If you feel that the assessment for your property is TOO HIGH, while
some neighbours are deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, then file an appeal!!
If you are angry enough, let everyone know, and tell us on the
newsgroups.

Perhaps if there is enough publicity about these crooks, the city will
finally have to fire a few more, and hire some honest assessors!

All city home assessments are readily available on the internet, for
easy comparison.

Don't let yourself get JEWED by the crooks on the city payroll.
Expose them, as Grosvenor did about the lawyer's property, detailed
below.

The lawyer even had his property up for city tax sale, this year, for
unpaid taxes, April 27 2006!!

On 29 Jun 2005 15:16:21 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"
 wrote:

>One MUST wonder - was it bribery, graft, corruption or what, that this
>lawyer got a donation from the city tax department of a HALF MILLION
>DOLLARS each year deliberately UNDER-ASSESSED, while honest taxpayers
>got the shaft/got screwed!!

>Perhaps criminal charges should be considered against those city staff
>responsible, for the massive under-collection of proper tax revenues
>for 8 years? Particularly since it took a courageous taxpayer to force
>this scam into the courts and into the open!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>From: "Brian Boulanger"  - Find messages
>by this author
>Date: 27 Jun 2005 18:19:01 -0700
>Local: Mon,Jun 27 2005 8:19 pm
>Subject: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to Roll!!
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>It seems that now that the City Auditor-General has his teeth into this
>notorious expose, more heads in the City Tax Assessment Department will
>be getting chopped, besides those staff already terminated.

>The notorious William Grosvenor took the city to tax court, and exposed
>the situation where a well-known lawyer's property was improperly
>UNDERASSESSED BY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS - at $149,500, when the
>lawyer's own documentation declared a value of $600,000!!

>Only now, after the courageous expose, is the property properly
>assessed at $651,000!!

>For 8 years the lawyer got off, while taxpayers who did pay their share
>had to make up the difference.

>Everyone involved in the cover-up, and scam, should not only be fired,
>but prosecuted for criminality as well!


>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics
>From: Mike McWilliams  -
>Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:20:14 -0600
>Subject: APPEAL YOUR TAXES! Don't Get Jewed By Crooks In City Tax
>Dept.!

>If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4% inflation
>certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim of the crooks
>running Deadmonton?!!

>If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled to
>do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against the
>City,win!!

>Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>employed by the city??
>Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is getting overpaid?


>From: heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>Newsgroups:
>edm.general,edm.politics,ab.ge­­neral,ab.politics,can.general
>Subject: Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO
>GET TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to what
>it should be.

>This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and probably
>$608,000!!!

>Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone has
>the guts to force the issue into a court.

>How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?

>heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>...

>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear before
>> the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!
>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM THE
>> CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!
>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!
>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?

>> heinrichhimmelf...@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message ...
>> > City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>> > value.
>> > It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in writing,
>> > was $600,000!!

>> > No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>> > why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>> > This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>> > massive tax hikes!!

>> > No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>> > Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax revolt.
>> > > Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>> > > irregularities involving the city tax department.
>> > > Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an out-of-court
>> > > settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal closure
>> > > of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>> > > One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax assessment hike
>> > > this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence that
>> > > business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the businesses!!
>> > > The right hand did not know what the left did.....

>> > > starwars  wrote in message ...
>> > > > Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>> > > > massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is knowingly
>> > > > under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!
>> > > > This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be worth
>> > > > at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is huge,has
>> > > > law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second floor was
>> > > > assessed last year for less than a quarter of value,for only
>> > > > $148,000!!
>> > > > After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal Court last
>> > > > year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now this year it is
>> > > > assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000 UNDER-ASSESSED!!
>> > > > At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!
>> > > > Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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With all the recent bad publicity about crooked Edmonton cops and
their torturing civilians, what is the latest news about their Income
Tax Frauds?

Are the crooked Edmonton cops being featured in today's report from
the federal Auditor-General?

Alan B - any updates?

On 1 Dec 2005 21:15:19 -0000, (AntiCrookedCoppers) wrote:
>As other, qualified accountants have detailed, CRA are completely correct in
>prosecuting these crooked cops, for faking in, as to who got paid, before taxes!
>
>It seems that some of these crooked cops used the names of other cops, to minimise
>their taxes, under the table so to speak.
>Who did they think they were, the Bronfman Jews?
>
>One more black mark against the crooks in the Edmonton Police farce!!
>
>On 7 Nov 2005 06:38:03 -0800, "Alan Baggett"  wrote:
>
>>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/11/05/1293866-sun.html
>
>>The Canada Revenue Agency is investigating a police watchdog group's
>>complaint into whether Edmonton cops should be able to bank overtime
>>hours and share them with each other.
>
>>Marshall Deslauriers, chairman of the self-appointed Citizens Committee
>>For Police Oversight, formally filed a complaint yesterday.
>
>>Atop his group's list of concerns is that officers may be permitted to
>>"manipulate and alter wage tax obligations by using a system of
>>"banking" and selective "allocation" for their overtime hours."
>
>>Acting police Chief Darryl da Costa has said that sharing overtime is a
>>longstanding practice that allows officers to pass on their banked time
>>to another officer who needs time off for a family emergency or crisis.
>
>>He said earlier this week that if there is a legal issue with the
>>practice, the EPS will look into it.
>
>>Under their contract, Edmonton cops can bank up to 320 hours of
>>overtime at any given time. The OT can be used whenever they wish, paid
>>out at the end of the year or given to other cops, who may use it as
>>they see fit.
>



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On 8 Dec 2005 23:03:36 GMT, Wally Cleaver 
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:13 -0000, <11ph7h9mknc6k94@corp.supernews.com>
>kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>In article <1642514.PtBnYVMG7h@Xn1>, 127.0.0.1 <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>> In article <1134066915.228014.96670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>>>>>Kenny McVay wrote:

>>>> nothing worth reading

>>>About the famous "gas chamber" in the Auschwitz I camp, Conan writes: 

>>http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html

>>As to Dr. Piper's response to David Cole, see his letter to the Daily Texan:

>>Archive/File: people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093
>>Last-Modified: 1994/11/12
>>
>>
>>                                                     ogwiqcim, October21,1993
>>                Dr Franciszek Piper
>>                Pa'nstwowe Muzeum
>>                32-603 Ogwiecim -Poland

>The above could be a forgery seeing how it is at your website which I have
>proven deals in forgeries!

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
>Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
>Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT

>								Tavish
>
>     ~~Ken McVay Lying About His Financing Via S.A.A.F. Nizkor Fund~~
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
>Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
>Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
>Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1@news.tht.net>
>(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
>Mr. Bradbury, wishing to demonstrate how ill-equipped he is to deal with
>evidence of any sort... What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The
>Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San
>Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very
>bright... Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" 
>
>
>As for Ken McVay's bold faced lie: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate
>is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with
>the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." BUT I have "demonstrated" the
>association between the Nizkor Project and the San Antonio Area Foundation -
>Nizkor Fund and all with Ken McVay's very own words below!
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvl6g$ctm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
>Nizkor Project should be made payable to:
>   SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>Date: 1996/09/05
>Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>..In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>	"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>We thank all of you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
>Project. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial 
>improvements in service.
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/72d376fef3c983cf?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvbkg$auc@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>
>In article <31c2fa3a.16855786@news.annap.infi.net>, 
>hk@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote:
>
>>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perahps can
>>talk.
>
>Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
>by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
>work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
>	SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and mail them to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>...By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
>and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
>difference it makes who finances my work... I fail to see
>how my financing changes that.
>
>
>"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
>contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
>-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
>http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
>(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)



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Alan, what is latest status of this matter?
Are snivel servants still ripping off taxpapyers, or will truckers now
be allowed same as crooked trough-feeders?


On 18 Mar 2005 12:16:44 -0800, alanbaggett1@canada.com (Alan Baggett)
wrote:

>Here's the latest from:

>http://pei.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=pe-truck20050318

>Truckers fight for better meal deductions  
>Last Updated Mar 18 2005 11:24 AM AST
>CBC News 
>CHARLOTTETOWN – Some P.E.I. truckers have joined a class action
>lawsuit against the Canada Revenue Agency. They want to be able to
>claim more money for meals while they're on the road.

>Summerside's Chris Murphy spends two weeks at a time rolling across
>North America in his truck, paying for three meals a day in roadside
>restaurants.
>
>He said when government employees are traveling they are paid up to
>$75 a day as compensation for their meals and related expenses.
>
>However, truckers are allowed to claim a maximum of $23 a day as a
>business expense. Murphy believes the numbers should be the same.
>
>The court case was filed in British Columbia Supreme Court in 2002.
>
>Ernie Slump, the publisher of Trucker Magazine launched the suit.
>Since then, he has added the names of 3,000 truckers to the case.
>
>He believes the federal government is trying to delay the case.
>
>"We thought we might go to court in April or May, but we think now
>that the government may drag it out further until after the next
>election because this could very well become an election issue."
>
>Murphy said he just wants the same provisions as other people who have
>to leave home for work.
>
>The federal Department of Finance won't say if deductions for meals on
>the road might be raised.
>
>
>
>canadarevenueagency@hotmail.com (Alan Baggett) wrote in message news:<8b49ba6a.0503071010.32b5b558@posting.google.com>...
>> http://www.todaystrucking.com/displayarticle.cfm?ID=3824
>> 
>> Law firm files meal allowance suit 
>> 
>> SUMMERLAND, B.C. (Mar. 7, 2005) -- B.C. law firm Johnston, Johnson &
>> Co. has filed a class-action suit on behalf of 11 truck drivers
>> seeking to overturn the unfair meal allowance portion of the federal
>> tax policy.
>> The Summerland, B.C.-based lawyers are asking the Supreme Court of
>> British Columbia to strike down a section of the Income Tax Act
>> dealing with the deduction of their meals while they are on the road.
>> 
>> "Essentially, we looked at whether truckers, bus drivers, and other
>> workers that travel for a living could unite in one cause to get
>> parity with government workers," says Tom Johnston, lead counsel on
>> the case in a statement that appears on the firm's website.
>> "Government employees receive a meal allowance of $73.10 [an amount
>> that fluctuates on a quarterly basis according to the Consumer Price
>> Index] per day plus U.S. exchange (if they were traveling in the US),
>> without receipts."
>> 
>> In the Statement of Claim, it is asserted by the plaintiffs (the
>> truckers) that CCRA [formerly Revenue Canada] "through [its]
>> administrative policies, have ruled that some of the Plaintiffs and
>> some of the Class are not entitled to a meal allowance greater than
>> $16.50 before 2003, and, $22.50 after 2003, while other taxpayers
>> received more money for meals, including allowing some, the fair meal
>> allowance rate."
>> 
>> Further, the Plaintiffs claim that the decision to allow some
>> individuals to claim a greater amount than others is unfair and
>> discriminatory, and without adequate reason.
>> 
>> Johnston says he hopes for truckers to gain parity with federal civil
>> servants covered by the Treasury Board Secretariat Travel Directive.
>> "We're also seeking to strike down the 50 percent aspect of the rule,"
>> he says. "That applies to business meals, and in the case of our
>> clients, that's clearly not the case.
>> 
>> "In the civil servants' case, he or she is consuming meals for
>> sustenance, as are truck drivers. Allowing one group a more generous
>> allowance than others isn't fair. It's clearly a discriminatory
>> practice, and the Canadian Charter of Rights makes no room for
>> distinction between one class of citizens and another."
>> 
>> Drivers wishing to join the class action may still do so by contacting
>> Johnston & Johnson at their B.C. offices, or by visiting the website.
>> If the lawsuit is successful, only those registered and paid-up of the
>> class action may be able to claim retroactive meal allowances, the
>> firm says.
>> 
>> There is a $200 fee to join the class action. Those already in the
>> class action will need to pay an additional $100.00 to remain in the
>> lawsuit. For more information, see www.summerlandlawoffice.com or
>> call, 800-494-0442.



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The original poster had asked, whether there are people willing to pay
towards a one-way ticket to China for child molester Whitmore, and all
his crooked judges.

There, the Chinese government really dislikes fags, whom they consider
vermin, and suitable for organ harvesting, provided not too diseased
with AIDS and the like.

I would gladly join in making a modest contribution, if there is an
organised fund to dispose of Whitmore and all his judges.

This is NOT a death threat, merely an offer to contribute towards
having the government of China dispose of this garbage.



On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:39:47 -0700, Vishnu - destroyer of Nazi
Coughlan's support of the Shoah  wrote:
>On 10 Feb 2006 02:02:39 -0800, "Phillipe 'Kill the infidels' Coughlan"
> wrote:
>>James 'the Humble' Noles a écrit :

>No... James 'the  Humble' did not post the comment that the liar
>Nazi Coughlan attempts to attribute to me.

>>> If the Chinese are so efficient at getting rid of their criminals, perhaps
>>> they would accept Dezi, for vivisection, parts,or similar?

>>> There must be enough people willing to contribute towards a one-way ticket for
>>> Dezi to China??

>>Why not spare the expense, NN, 

>You're a liar, and the scum of the earth, NC.   And you use the method
>that you've used here because you know I expose you, using only
>your words.  It must be terrible, being you.  To which Nazi Coughlan
>replies -- "It's not easy."  But you've attempted this before.  When
>you have an enemy you try to use any lie, any evil, any sickness
>on your part to hide your own evil.  But all you do, is heap evil
>upon the evil that is already a part of you.  Sick... sick... sick...

>> and send someone to murder me?  After
>>all, you're the only poster to AADP to have publicly called for a
>>contract to be taken out on me ..
>>
>
>LOL... Still lying I see.   Your attempt to transform my word "might"
>into "should" or "hope," is juvenile, but then you are famous for being
>juvenile.  The number of logical fallacies that exist in your attempt
>exceed any reasonable expectation for you to look like anything other
>than a fool for even trying.  For starters -- it violates --
>
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#hominem
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#slope
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#elenchi
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#noncausa
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#reification
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#misericordiam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#nonseq
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#bifurcation
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#logicam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#baculum
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#complexq
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#circulus
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#alterapars
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#ignorantiam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#nauseam
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#herring
>and finally --
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#strawman
>
>Each of those logical fallacies exist within your attempt to
>transform my comment into meaning an attempt to have
>you killed.  You're a very sick man, but there is no law
>against that, and you are the best thing that ever happened
>to retention as far as the argument of the DP in AADP.
>
>
>Planet Visitor II
>http://home.earthlink.net/~onetimeuse/dict.html
>
>Hey, gentle reader.  Want to see Nazi Coughlan express
>his affection for the life of Kenneth McDuff over the life
>of his own wife.  Pay attention.  here's the proof --
>
>"The murder of an innocent by a wrongly released murderer is the lesser of two
>evils." --  Nazi Coughlan.  See --  
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/45ad448fc2e7ab95
>
>Okay, gentle reader.  This is obviously a fallacy of
>http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#generalization
>
>An over-generalization, expecting it to be a reasonable argument from a
>reasonable person, yet failing to verify he actually believes it, once
>specific, not-generalized examples are plugged into his comment.
>So first, we need to addresss the issue of who he argues are included
>in that generalized group of "an innocent."  If his argument holds for
>ALL "innocents," then by reason we can plug in a specific value of
>a specific person having a personal connection to the author of the
>comment.  Doing so, we can use his wife, since he has not excluded
>her, and has in fact offered her up to a murder in another of his comments.
>This would be his comment: --
>
>"For principled abolitionists, it would not matter if the murderer killed
>our children, our mothers, our wives.... We _still_ would not support
> their execution."  See --
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism.death-penalty/msg/fdbc7222cf664006
>
>Now that we have determined a specific "innocent" that he accepts as
>a value to plug in, his comment can be stated as -- "The murder of
>"my wife"by a wrongly released murderer is the lesser of two evils."
>
>Okay... now we need to examine a SPECIFIC example of "wrongly
>released murderer," if his comment is to remain valid throughout the
>spectrum of ALL "wrongly released murderers," since his comment
>was generalized to ALL "wrongly released murderers."  And we have
>the specific example of Kenneth McDuff.  See --
>http://www.geocities.com/verbal_plainfield/i-p/mcduff.html
>
>So if the author of that original comment, Nazi Coughlan, wishes it
>to actually represent a valid comment as written it must be valid
>for all values.  Thus it appears that he believes that this also
>represents his view, using particular values of "his wife" and
>Kenneth McDuff, so he words mean -- "The murder of my wife
>by Kenneth McDuff is the lesser of two evils."  The greater
>evil being in Nazi Coughlan's view, the execution of Kenneth
>McDuff as originally scheduled for a number of other murders
>before murdering Nazi Coughlan's wife.  Oh my... do you really
>love the life of Kenneth McDuff more than the life of your
>wife?  What's going on with you?

>>Y.



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The commies and lesbians supporting the Y may want the communist type
family day care scams proposed by the socialist lieberals, but normal
families most certainly DO NOT want the scam.

If the government wants to give the PARENTS $100 a month, for the
parent to use towards whatever form of child care the parent wants,
rather than the institutionalised daycares of communism, then as
Martha Stewart would say, That is a good thing!

There already is too much government interference in families, and
this may be a step in the right direction, allowing parents to choose
where they wish to start the education of their children.


On 21 Mar 2006 16:38:40 -0800, "jlipka81@aol.com" 
wrote:

>Canadian families, irrespective of where they live or the size of their
>communities, want their child care needs met by a nationally-funded
>public system and not a federal cash payout, according to a recent
>report by YWCA Canada.
>
>The report's findings are based on four community task forces held
>over the past year in four distinct communities across Canada: Halifax,
>Vancouver, Martensville, Saskatchewan, and Cambridge, Ontario.
>
>In each task force, parents, service providers and business people
>consistently said that they wanted integrated services that are
>publicly and fairly funded so that they could meet the demands of
>parents in their communities.
>
>The Conservatives are planning to scrap childcare agreements signed by
>the Liberal government and the provinces to develop a National Early
>Learning and Child Care Program. Instead, they will provide parents
>with direct payments of $1,200 a year per child.
>
>But as YWCA study director Jenny Robinson points out, the
>Conservatives' payment would amount to only $8 a week for a
>middle-income family once it is taxed - a sum that will come nowhere
>close to meeting basic child care needs. In addition, the study also
>finds that even if parents have money to buy child care services, there
>is still a shortage of services to buy.
>
>Prime Minister Stephen Harper plans to deal with this shortage by
>offering a one-time credit of $10,000 for businesses and community
>groups to create 125,000 new daycare spaces.
>
>However, 85 per cent of the costs of a child care space are operational
>costs. The Conservative plan offers nothing to keep that space going.
>Moreover, the YWCA report indicates that although tax cuts have been
>offered in some provincial jurisdictions, they have not resulted in any
>new child care spaces.
>
>Canadians want a plan that will guarantee every child - regardless of
>parental income or geography - will get a quality, affordable and
>accessible space offered by a licensed professional. Parents and
>caregivers understand, as we do, that a cash payout is not the answer
>to the country's very real need for child care.
>
>A national child care program like that envisioned in the YWCA report
>is not beyond our means. The Liberal Party has made it a priority to
>ensure the Conservative government honours the 10 multi-year child care
>deals already reached with the provinces. Canadian families deserve
>nothing less.



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One must wonder, how much is WEM DELIBERATELY UNDER-ASSESSED, 
compared to all the financing registered on the property?

Is someone in the city tax assessment department still on the take?

Will Scott Hennig soon have another news story for the media, this
time about WEM?


On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:11:49 -0700, Chief Instigator
 wrote:

Next installment and exposure of city tax department irregularities
will be before the ARB on 31st August 2006

>Can't get to MGB sooner, because of flood of appeals filed against crooked
>Edmonton tax department!!
>Seems I am not the only one proving they are crooks.

>Again, will be exposed for all to see, the evidence proving the City allowed
>the lawyer owning the property at 13723 - 93 St. to be deliberately
>underassessed by HALF A MILLION DOLLARS each year, for 8 years!

>In retaliation, the city assessors incresed the assessment of the man who
>exposed their graft by 4 TIMES THAT OF HIS NEIGHBOURS!!

>Notice that Bob Welldumb can not argue the FACTS!
>Is he one of the beneficiaries of the crooks in the city tax department?
>One must wonder why he is so sore about the lawyer finally being forced 
>to pay his proper share of city taxes!!

>Even the City Auditor is admitting he is aware of serious problems in certain
>departments, and is recommending an anonymous "snitch line" to save the 
>City many millions.

>He could start with the city tax assessment section, obviously!!
>Why should Grosvenor who is not paid by the city, have to do the work 
>of the overpaid city employees, who seem to be mainly crooks?

>As has been well documented, friends of the City seem to be able to get
>extremely favourable UNDER-ASSESSMENTS on THEIR properties, while 
>the average citizen has their property OVER-ASSESSED to make up for the
>shortfall!!

>Yes, the city website was operational in May and June, which allowed some of
>us the opportunity to get the PROOF, which will be used in the ARB city tax
>appeals, to PROVE GROSS OR CRIMINAL IRREGULARITIES by the city tax staffers!

>One must wonder, for whom is Merle Foresth working, since he seems to not care
>about massive irregularities!!


>On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:03:12 -0600, KenMcVayAIDS 
>wrote:

>>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>>From: "Brian Boulanger" 
>>Date: 30 Jun 2005 08:02:40 -0700
>>Local: Thurs,Jun 30 2005 10:02 am
>>Subject: Re: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to
>>Roll!!

>>You are completely correct.
>>Unfortunately, the bureaucrats on the city payroll trough have
>>consistently opposed any review, such as Zero Based Budgetting, or MBO
>>Management by Objectives, or any means of quantifying or/and justifying
>>their jobs!
>
>>They know, that if the top 50% of all bureaucrats were fired, there
>>would be absolutely no loss in the actual performance of the city
>>departments.
>
>>In fact, rumour is that performance, and cost/benefit would
>>dramatically improve!!
>
>>
>>Take the local cops for example. We pay seniors there from $120,000 to
>>$180,000 each,plus benefits. All are supposedly fluent in English.
>>Yet they waste over ONE MILLION DOLLARS for their BS hacks and flacks,
>>because they do not want to address the media themselves, but would
>>rather engage in empire building! The million wasted could go instead
>>to hiring some honest cops!
>>
>>As for the council members, there is only one - Mike Nickel - who
>>actually runs a real business, and even he was forced to move it out of
>>
>>Edmonton to Leduc!! The rest of council are all parasites, and lazy
>>ne'er-do-wells.
>>
>>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>>From: f...@bouncemail.ca - Find messages by this author
>>Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:29:23 GMT
>>Local: Fri,Jul 1 2005 4:29 pm
>>Subject: Re: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to
>>Roll!!
>>On 30 Jun 2005 08:02:40 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"  wrote:
>>>You are completely correct.
>>>Unfortunately, the bureaucrats on the city payroll trough have
>>>consistently opposed any review, such as Zero Based Budgetting, or MBO
>>>Management by Objectives, or any means of quantifying or/and justifying
>>>their jobs!
>>
>>>They know, that if the top 50% of all bureaucrats were fired, there
>>>would be absolutely no loss in the actual performance of the city
>>>departments.
>>
>>I believe you and actually have no doubt of this myself.
>>
>>>In fact, rumour is that performance, and cost/benefit would dramatically
>>>improve!!
>>
>>No doubt, look at all the duplication of services we now have. No
>>wonder it is more expensive to buy anything in Canada today then it is
>>to shop in the States. All people have to do is go to the web sites of
>>any governmnent and check out all the departments. See if there is any
>>overlap. Also, one has to take into consideration the use of
>>computers. Seems to me that it takes just as long to push paperwork
>>through as it did when I used to type on a standard typewriter. One
>>should ask themselves why? Too many hands....
>>
>>
>>>Take the local cops for example. We pay seniors there from $120,000 to
>>>$180,000 each,plus benefits. All are supposedly fluent in English.
>>>Yet they waste over ONE MILLION DOLLARS for their BS hacks and flacks,
>>>because they do not want to address the media themselves, but would
>>>rather engage in empire building! The million wasted could go instead
>>>to hiring some honest cops!
>>
>>I am not to sure what you mean here.
>>WHY SHOULD TAXPAYERS HAVE TO [AY MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A BS
>>SECTION AT POLICE HQ, WHEN WE ALREADY OVERPAY THE TOP COPS?!!
>>For what the chief and his deputy goons get paid, they should do their
>>own talking to the media, or else continue lying as their predecessors
>>did, until fired!!
>>
>>>As for the council members, there is only one - Mike Nickel - who
>>>actually runs a real business, and even he was forced to move it out of
>>>Edmonton to Leduc!! The rest of council are all parasites, and lazy
>>>ne'er-do-wells.
>>
>>With all the deductions that businesses get from the federal
>>government in income tax why did Mike Nickel have to move his business
>>to Leduc?
>>
>>PROBABLY BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH ANTI-BUSINESS RED TAPE FOR ANY
>>HONEST BUSINESS TRYING TO SURVIVE IN DEADMONTON?
>>
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:32:48 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On 30 Mar 2006 02:15:16 -0000, Dump The Crooks 
>wrote:

>>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>>long suspected.

>>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>>are endorsing.

>>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>>Premier of Alberta!!

>>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>>councillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?

>I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT. I am tired of politicians thinking they can
>just run for office and then increase homeowners taxes just so they
>can give themselves more and more raises. It is NOT RIGHT no matter
>who they are paying to say that it is. The cost of living in Edmonton
>is way lower than Calgary or Toronto, there are fewer people living in
>Edmonton, and most of all which of the people that are running this
>city have a university degree?? After all, in order to make that kind
>of money most people NEED to have a university degree. 

You do not need to have a university degree to be a capable
administrator of billions of dollars.

You should at least be a successful BUSINESS OWNER.
Out of current 13 clowns on council, apparaently only Mike Nickel owns
a successful business.

Further, council members should be HONEST, and not support corruption
and criminality, and similar. This council went so far as to give a
payoff of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to the former disgraced chief cop,
who had been fired for just cause!!

No honest, competent business managers would have colluded as they
did!!



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With all the recent bad publicity about crooked Edmonton cops and
their torturing civilians, what is the latest news about their Income
Tax Frauds?

Are the crooked Edmonton cops being featured in today's report from
the federal Auditor-General?

Alan B - any updates?

On 1 Dec 2005 21:15:19 -0000, (AntiCrookedCoppers) wrote:
>As other, qualified accountants have detailed, CRA are completely correct in
>prosecuting these crooked cops, for faking in, as to who got paid, before taxes!
>
>It seems that some of these crooked cops used the names of other cops, to minimise
>their taxes, under the table so to speak.
>Who did they think they were, the Bronfman Jews?
>
>One more black mark against the crooks in the Edmonton Police farce!!
>
>On 7 Nov 2005 06:38:03 -0800, "Alan Baggett"  wrote:
>
>>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/11/05/1293866-sun.html
>
>>The Canada Revenue Agency is investigating a police watchdog group's
>>complaint into whether Edmonton cops should be able to bank overtime
>>hours and share them with each other.
>
>>Marshall Deslauriers, chairman of the self-appointed Citizens Committee
>>For Police Oversight, formally filed a complaint yesterday.
>
>>Atop his group's list of concerns is that officers may be permitted to
>>"manipulate and alter wage tax obligations by using a system of
>>"banking" and selective "allocation" for their overtime hours."
>
>>Acting police Chief Darryl da Costa has said that sharing overtime is a
>>longstanding practice that allows officers to pass on their banked time
>>to another officer who needs time off for a family emergency or crisis.
>
>>He said earlier this week that if there is a legal issue with the
>>practice, the EPS will look into it.
>
>>Under their contract, Edmonton cops can bank up to 320 hours of
>>overtime at any given time. The OT can be used whenever they wish, paid
>>out at the end of the year or given to other cops, who may use it as
>>they see fit.
>



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A very good point.
Guess we must then find and use servers not connected with
Germany,Austria, or Canada or UK?
Care to suggest a good server that will not be coerced?


On 29 Jun 2006 13:49:17 -0000, TwistyCreek 
wrote:
>NotMyName  wrote:

>> So, time to switch from Netidentity and TUCOWS, to a good US server,
>> such as 1&1.com, or Netzero.

>Fun Fact:
>1&1 US is controlled by its german mother 1&1. If german courts extend
>their reach as US courts tend to do, you better don't host any Nazi stuff
>on 1&1 servers.



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Jeff, dear fool, the story is completely true, and correct.

Whether  you work for Sears, or not, may all your personal ID be
obtained by an identity thief, so that you may understand the problem.


On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:04:37 GMT, "Jeff Stapleton"
 wrote:
>"Nemesis"  wrote in message 
>news:REM5A56038898.528287037@twistycreek.com...
>> It seems that Sears in Canada is illegally distributing personal data of 
>> its' customers.

>> A charge has been filed with the Alberta Privacy Commissioner, proving 
>> that a major Sears store in Edmonton illegally provided personal confidential 
>> information of  a customer, to someone who was most definitely NOT the customer. 
>> The Alberta government  is prosecuting, to teach Sears that they are not above the law.

>> This situation came to light when the victim received in the mail, from an 
>> anonymous source,  the actual store copy of the receipt involved.

>> HIS personal info including 2 unlisted phone numbers were clearly printed 
>> on the invoice  receipt, together with ther actual customer's VISA card number.
>> Someone had even written on the bill, "wrong number", but the customer was 
>> still given all the details of the original Sears customer.

>> In other words, one MUST NOT TRUST SEARS!


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)


>yo spammer give it up already 




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In a banner headline story across page B1 of the Edmonton Journal for
21 July 2006, Statistics Canada reports that Edmonton Canada is now
the crime capital of Canada!

The Edmonton region homicide/murder rate is documented at 4.3 per
100,000 people, compared to only 2.0 for crime-ridden Toronto!!

And, the Edmonton stats do not include bodies found outside the area,
>from the notorious Edmonton serial killer of female prostitiutes!

And the city wonders why it is getting such bad international
publicity, mainly caused by the crooked cops, who apparently can not
even catch a cold, let alone the serial murderer, who is suspected by
many, to be either a cop, judge or criminologist.


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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:23:57 +0000 (UTC), Zax
 wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:11:01 -0600, Sara Salzman wrote in
>Message-Id: :
>
>> WARNING - ISP Netidentity No Longer USA based, but in Canada!!
>
>Shouldn't this read:
>RELAX - ISP Netidentity No Longer USA based, but in Canada!!
>
>I find it hard to believe that Canana is more repressive in terms of
>freedom of speech than the US (or EU).

There is no constitutional; right in Canada to freedom of speech!!

To add insult to injury, TRUTH IS NO DEFENCE in law, when charged by
Bnai Brith, Mossad, or any other ZYD group!!
Just ask Ernst Zundel.

ISP willingly co-operate with police in Canada, who do not need a
warrant to snoop on a subscriber!!


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Sorry, retard, but you sure are a piece of infected filth.

Any website is prepared by some other of your multitudinous enemies,
just to warn people around the world of the cesspool in which you
reside.

It seems that you keep getting removed from ISPs constantly, once they
get contacted by the authorities.

Guess they do not want to be used by such a pervert as you?

On 27 Aug 2006 09:11:10 -0700, "Vroom" 
wrote:

>The Crossposting Moron who goes by:
>James DEx-Spouse / Dale Norton / Doc Holoiday / Jules Striker /
>VicArcurious / DrFaustus / gel / trauth / WayattEarp / NotMyName / John
>Buchan / Asterix  / and a few others, made up his own friends because
>he has none of his own, and  posted the same old useless crap again.
>
>He posts distortions of the news that are months old.

The news is well documernted by the media, and is TRUE.

>This dimwit even formed his own news group called "Edmonton ...the
>crppiest city to visit".
>
>He couldn't even spell the groups name right !!!!!!!!
>
>The best part is, the group got closed down because NO ONE posted to
>it.
>
>It just goes to show you that NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.!!!!!
>
>Then Top Poster will come in with one of his famous one liners.  This
>idiot is incapable of constructing more than one sentence at a time.
>
>                                         /'_ /)
>                                       ,/ _   /
>                                      /      /
>                              /'_'/'   '/'_'7
>                           /'/     /      /      /"
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It was the crooked Edmonton cops, who willingly gave their name to
this scam, so that the Police Hockey team would get publicity.

Because they are cops, they can not plead ignorance, of the laws!!

Just another scam involving crooked Edmonton cops, what?


On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:58:35 GMT, "PV" 
wrote:
>"Asterix"  wrote in message 
>news:h6bv32hi1ur7da598ubcid0ic0jovabblm@4ax.com...
>> The Edmonton Journal, in a banner headline story on page B1 of today's
>> paper, exposes yet another swindle involving Edmonton's crooked cops!!
>>
>> They exposed a so-called CHARITY SCAM, for a so-called "benefit" game
>> run under the style of "Oldtimers Hockey Challenge".
>>
>> This scam collected more than $250,000 through fraudulent telephone
>> solicitors, claiming the money was going to a charity.
>>
>> In fact, only $20,000 actually goes to a local women's shelter safe
>> house.
>>
>> Almost all the money goes to a scam business called Xentel DM Inc, out
>> of Calgary, not even a local business. In the USA, XENTEL has been the
>> subject of investigations alleging deceptive telemarketing, as well as
>> for breaching do-not-call laws.
>>
>> In Iowa, in November 2004, Xentel was forced to stop abusive and
>> misleading calls in fundraising and solicitations, and was forced to
>> pay $30,000 in penalties.
>>
>> Since almost all the money goes to a for-profit business, rather than
>> to a registered charity, why isn't the provincial government charging
>> the crooks and their sponsors with FRAUD?
>>
>> This scam was being promoted by the Edmonton Police Faded Blues
>> Hockey team.
>>
>> Just one more scandal for the new chief to clean up!
>
>Funny my Journal says "Big Drainage Bill coming"
>
>Xentel approached the faded blues, set it up, organized it and then skimmed 
>85% of the money.  This is a Xentel scam, not a police scam, the police 
>hired the wrong organization.
>
>Of course so did the Organ Donation and Transplant Association of Canada.  I 
>am not calling them corrupt but told them I would not donate anything to 
>Xentel who would pull the same scam.
>
>It's time the Alberta government shut down this company, or force them to 
>clean up their act.
>
>PV 
>



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On 26 Apr 2006 09:18:07 -0700, notcanada@notcanada.com wrote:

>Taken from:
>
>www.NotCanada.com
>
>TOP 8 REASONS NOT TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA
>
> 8. Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System.
>Immigration to Canada is based on a point system, obtained with your
>education, qualifications and job experience. Points are good enough
>for immigration, but in Canada, they are not good enough to get a job
>in your field. Amazing, how the credentials that qualify you to come to
>Canada are the same credentials that don't qualify you for your
>profession in Canada. The reason is, Canada only wants immigrants to do
>the labor jobs - pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc.

Actually, most of the professions DO NOT WANT COMPETITION, INCLUDING
LOWER PRICES, FROM QUALIFIED IMMIGRANTS!

That is why most professional groups in Canada will refuse to
recognise the credentials of professional groups outside Canada!!


> 7. Out Of Control Cost Of Living.
>>From rent, to utility bills, to shopping, to phone, internet and cable
>bills, to gas, to car insurance, to eating out, to basically anything
>you have to pay for or buy, the cost of living in Canada has become
>astronomical. Recent immigrants are astonished as to how expensive
>everything is. It is estimated that compared to most countries around
>the world, the cost of living in Canada is on average five times
>greater.

> 6. Health Care Crisis.
>Practicing physicians in Canada are in a shortage, 1 in 4 Canadians
>cannot get a family doctor. Canadian doctors are leaving to move
>permanently to the United States. Statistics Canada and the Canadian
>Medical Association both have identified that for every 1 American
>doctor that moves to Canada, 19 (nineteen) Canadian doctors move to the
>United States! Doctors in Canada are overworked and underpaid, and
>there is a cap on their salaries.

> 5. Very High Taxes.
>Yes, you have the GST, the PST, totaling 15%, on practically everything
>you purchase and many other taxes taken out of our weekly paycheck. You
>have to pay a whopping amount to the government, out of your hard
>earned salary, so that the government can turn around and give it to
>beer drinking, hockey watching welfare bums. Fair? It does not matter,
>it's Canada.

> 4. Money Hungry Government.
>Canadian Embassies around the world lie to foreigners, painting this
>picture that Canada is Utopia, because they want them to come to
>Canada. Why? Because foreigners bring money! So after being deceived,
>these foreigners come. They must bring with them at least $10,000.
>Canada has an immigration quota of 250,000 per year. So please do the
>math, 250,000 multiplied by $10,000 each equals a whopping 2.5 Billion
>dollars that Canada gains from immigrants every year.

> 3. No Culture.
>Unlike almost every other country in the world, Canada has no culture.
>Actually American culture is what dominates Canada. When was the last
>time you had some 'Canadian' food? There are no Canadian traditions and
>there is no national identity. What does it even mean to call yourself
>a 'Canadian'. . .nothing really. People living in Canada, still
>identify themselves with the country they 'originally' came from.

Canada does support with huge amounts of taxpayer cash, all the
gangsters and thugs involved in commercial sports, though!

> 2. Worst Weather.
>Yes, Canada has the worst weather conditions of any country in the
>world. Freezing cold temperatures, snow, ice, hail, winds, storms etc.
>>From the Prairie provinces to the Maritimes, from the Territories to
>southern Ontario, the weather is so horrific and disgusting that many
>Canadians leave Canada simply because of this reason alone.

> 1. No Jobs.
>Yes, coast to coast, there are no jobs. Immigrants are highly qualified
>(MD's, PhD's, Lawyers, Engineers etc.) but they are driving taxi cabs,
>delivering pizza's or working in factories. Even people with bachelors
>degrees from Canadian Universities cannot find jobs after graduation.
>This is the tragedy associated with immigration to Canada. I feel sorry
>for those immigrants who are stuck in Canada for the rest of their
>lives. It is indeed a very sad and hopeless future.
>
>Taken from:
>
>www.NotCanada.com



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With all the recent bad publicity about crooked Edmonton cops and
their torturing civilians, what is the latest news about their Income
Tax Frauds?

Are the crooked Edmonton cops being featured in today's report from
the federal Auditor-General?

Alan B - any updates?

On 1 Dec 2005 21:15:19 -0000, (AntiCrookedCoppers) wrote:
>As other, qualified accountants have detailed, CRA are completely correct in
>prosecuting these crooked cops, for faking in, as to who got paid, before taxes!
>
>It seems that some of these crooked cops used the names of other cops, to minimise
>their taxes, under the table so to speak.
>Who did they think they were, the Bronfman Jews?
>
>One more black mark against the crooks in the Edmonton Police farce!!
>
>On 7 Nov 2005 06:38:03 -0800, "Alan Baggett"  wrote:
>
>>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/11/05/1293866-sun.html
>
>>The Canada Revenue Agency is investigating a police watchdog group's
>>complaint into whether Edmonton cops should be able to bank overtime
>>hours and share them with each other.
>
>>Marshall Deslauriers, chairman of the self-appointed Citizens Committee
>>For Police Oversight, formally filed a complaint yesterday.
>
>>Atop his group's list of concerns is that officers may be permitted to
>>"manipulate and alter wage tax obligations by using a system of
>>"banking" and selective "allocation" for their overtime hours."
>
>>Acting police Chief Darryl da Costa has said that sharing overtime is a
>>longstanding practice that allows officers to pass on their banked time
>>to another officer who needs time off for a family emergency or crisis.
>
>>He said earlier this week that if there is a legal issue with the
>>practice, the EPS will look into it.
>
>>Under their contract, Edmonton cops can bank up to 320 hours of
>>overtime at any given time. The OT can be used whenever they wish, paid
>>out at the end of the year or given to other cops, who may use it as
>>they see fit.
>



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On 8 Dec 2005 23:03:36 GMT, Wally Cleaver 
wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:57:13 -0000, <11ph7h9mknc6k94@corp.supernews.com>
>kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC) wrote:
>>In article <1642514.PtBnYVMG7h@Xn1>, 127.0.0.1 <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>> In article <1134066915.228014.96670@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>>>>>Kenny McVay wrote:

>>>> nothing worth reading

>>>About the famous "gas chamber" in the Auschwitz I camp, Conan writes: 

>>http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-04.html

>>As to Dr. Piper's response to David Cole, see his letter to the Daily Texan:

>>Archive/File: people/p/piper.franciszek/press/daily.texan.1093
>>Last-Modified: 1994/11/12
>>
>>
>>                                                     ogwiqcim, October21,1993
>>                Dr Franciszek Piper
>>                Pa'nstwowe Muzeum
>>                32-603 Ogwiecim -Poland

>The above could be a forgery seeing how it is at your website which I have
>proven deals in forgeries!

>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
>Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
>Exempt Donations V3-2  T_0929
>Message-ID: 
>Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT

>								Tavish
>
>     ~~Ken McVay Lying About His Financing Via S.A.A.F. Nizkor Fund~~
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/19272a44fd2c3cec?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay, OBC)
>Subject: STILL Waiting for Donnie..... (Or "Bradbury: Wrong Again")
>Date: 5 Jan 2001 00:32:08 GMT
>Organization: The Nizkor Project
>Message-ID: <9334m8$1nm1$1@news.tht.net>
>(Archived locally as: McVayEXHIBIT1)
>Mr. Bradbury, wishing to demonstrate how ill-equipped he is to deal with
>evidence of any sort... What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate is that The
>Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with the "San
>Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." That is because Mr. Bradbury is not very
>bright... Neither The Nizkor Project nor Ken McVay has ever received any money
>from the "San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund" 
>
>
>As for Ken McVay's bold faced lie: "What Mr. Bradbury has failed to demonstrate
>is that The Nizkor Project, which I direct, has any association whatsoever with
>the San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund." BUT I have "demonstrated" the
>association between the Nizkor Project and the San Antonio Area Foundation -
>Nizkor Fund and all with Ken McVay's very own words below!
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7ed1cee6db046212
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_3)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: American funding for the Nizkor Project
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvl6g$ctm@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>In the United States, checks in support of the work of The
>Nizkor Project should be made payable to:
>   SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/e6e8f845002483a1
>(Archived locally as: SAAF_1)
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: The Nizkor Project appreciates your support
>Date: 1996/09/05
>Message-ID: <50n608$9ds@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>x-network: http://www.nizkor.org/
>organization: The Nizkor Project
>
>..In the United States, checks should be made payable to:
>	"SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund"
>and should be mailed to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>We thank all of you who have sent your donations in support of the Nizkor
>Project. The funds you have provided have been used to provide substantial 
>improvements in service.
>
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/72d376fef3c983cf?fwc=1
>From: kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC)
>Subject: Nizkor Project financing and Kleinsorg's slandering Germans
>Date: 1996/06/15
>Message-ID: <4pvbkg$auc@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>
>
>In article <31c2fa3a.16855786@news.annap.infi.net>, 
>hk@annap.infi.net (Horst Kleinsorg) wrote:
>
>>First tell us who is financing your Nizkor, then we perahps can
>>talk.
>
>Thank you for bringing that up, Mr. Kleinsorg. I am financed
>by thousands of "just plain folks" who wish to support my
>work... In the United States, they make their cheques payable to:
>	SAN ANTONIO AREA FOUNDATION - Nizkor Fund
>and mail them to:
>	San Antonio Area Foundation
>	Nizkor Fund
>	P.O. Box 120366
>	San Antonio, TX 78212-9566
>...By the way, Mr. Kleinsorg... now that I have responded openly
>and honestly to your question, perhaps you can tell us what
>difference it makes who finances my work... I fail to see
>how my financing changes that.
>
>
>"[W]hen you're living a lie, the lie has to get more complicated-they're always
>contradicting themselves...so that the lie itself becomes self-evident."
>-- Ken McVay, director of the Nizkor Project
>http://www.peacemagazine.org/fulltext/all-vol13no2.html
>(Link active November 20, 2003. Archived locally as: peacenik13_2)



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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:02:41 -0500, Bill Gannon
 wrote:
>Tiberius Rex  wrote:
 
>> Valid question, so far not answered - since the 2 cops charged DID NOT
>> HAVE THE AUTHORITY for the crooked photoradar contract, while the then
>> police chief WAS RESPONSIBLE, WHY HASN'T THE CHIEF ALSO BEEN ARRESTED?

>> The more is exposed about criminal cops in Edmonton, the more the
>> stink goes right to the top!!

>I suppose that you're happy that they gave the job of Chief to one of the 
>runners up for the job of Police Chief in Toronto?

>It takes time to clear up shit.   Michael J. Boyd was well regarded and a 
>favourite to replace Julian Fantino in Toronto, but politics screw the 
>best.   You didn't get a moron, that's for sure.


When he not only FIRES, bur also PROSECUTES all the crooked senior
cops that infest the EPS for more than 20 years now, THEN I will give
him credit.

Just because he was second fiddle in Toronto, with all the crooked
cops and their union there, does not make him a great chief HERE.


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One must wonder, how much is WEM DELIBERATELY UNDER-ASSESSED, 
compared to all the financing registered on the property?

Is someone in the city tax assessment department still on the take?

Will Scott Hennig soon have another news story for the media, this
time about WEM?


On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:11:49 -0700, Chief Instigator
 wrote:

Next installment and exposure of city tax department irregularities
will be before the ARB on 31st August 2006

>Can't get to MGB sooner, because of flood of appeals filed against crooked
>Edmonton tax department!!
>Seems I am not the only one proving they are crooks.

>Again, will be exposed for all to see, the evidence proving the City allowed
>the lawyer owning the property at 13723 - 93 St. to be deliberately
>underassessed by HALF A MILLION DOLLARS each year, for 8 years!

>In retaliation, the city assessors incresed the assessment of the man who
>exposed their graft by 4 TIMES THAT OF HIS NEIGHBOURS!!

>Notice that Bob Welldumb can not argue the FACTS!
>Is he one of the beneficiaries of the crooks in the city tax department?
>One must wonder why he is so sore about the lawyer finally being forced 
>to pay his proper share of city taxes!!

>Even the City Auditor is admitting he is aware of serious problems in certain
>departments, and is recommending an anonymous "snitch line" to save the 
>City many millions.

>He could start with the city tax assessment section, obviously!!
>Why should Grosvenor who is not paid by the city, have to do the work 
>of the overpaid city employees, who seem to be mainly crooks?

>As has been well documented, friends of the City seem to be able to get
>extremely favourable UNDER-ASSESSMENTS on THEIR properties, while 
>the average citizen has their property OVER-ASSESSED to make up for the
>shortfall!!

>Yes, the city website was operational in May and June, which allowed some of
>us the opportunity to get the PROOF, which will be used in the ARB city tax
>appeals, to PROVE GROSS OR CRIMINAL IRREGULARITIES by the city tax staffers!

>One must wonder, for whom is Merle Foresth working, since he seems to not care
>about massive irregularities!!


>On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:03:12 -0600, KenMcVayAIDS 
>wrote:

>>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>>From: "Brian Boulanger" 
>>Date: 30 Jun 2005 08:02:40 -0700
>>Local: Thurs,Jun 30 2005 10:02 am
>>Subject: Re: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to
>>Roll!!

>>You are completely correct.
>>Unfortunately, the bureaucrats on the city payroll trough have
>>consistently opposed any review, such as Zero Based Budgetting, or MBO
>>Management by Objectives, or any means of quantifying or/and justifying
>>their jobs!
>
>>They know, that if the top 50% of all bureaucrats were fired, there
>>would be absolutely no loss in the actual performance of the city
>>departments.
>
>>In fact, rumour is that performance, and cost/benefit would
>>dramatically improve!!
>
>>
>>Take the local cops for example. We pay seniors there from $120,000 to
>>$180,000 each,plus benefits. All are supposedly fluent in English.
>>Yet they waste over ONE MILLION DOLLARS for their BS hacks and flacks,
>>because they do not want to address the media themselves, but would
>>rather engage in empire building! The million wasted could go instead
>>to hiring some honest cops!
>>
>>As for the council members, there is only one - Mike Nickel - who
>>actually runs a real business, and even he was forced to move it out of
>>
>>Edmonton to Leduc!! The rest of council are all parasites, and lazy
>>ne'er-do-wells.
>>
>>Newsgroups: edm.general, edm.politics, ab.general, calgary.general
>>From: f...@bouncemail.ca - Find messages by this author
>>Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:29:23 GMT
>>Local: Fri,Jul 1 2005 4:29 pm
>>Subject: Re: $Half MILLION Underassessed By City Tax Dept.-Heads to
>>Roll!!
>>On 30 Jun 2005 08:02:40 -0700, "Brian Boulanger"  wrote:
>>>You are completely correct.
>>>Unfortunately, the bureaucrats on the city payroll trough have
>>>consistently opposed any review, such as Zero Based Budgetting, or MBO
>>>Management by Objectives, or any means of quantifying or/and justifying
>>>their jobs!
>>
>>>They know, that if the top 50% of all bureaucrats were fired, there
>>>would be absolutely no loss in the actual performance of the city
>>>departments.
>>
>>I believe you and actually have no doubt of this myself.
>>
>>>In fact, rumour is that performance, and cost/benefit would dramatically
>>>improve!!
>>
>>No doubt, look at all the duplication of services we now have. No
>>wonder it is more expensive to buy anything in Canada today then it is
>>to shop in the States. All people have to do is go to the web sites of
>>any governmnent and check out all the departments. See if there is any
>>overlap. Also, one has to take into consideration the use of
>>computers. Seems to me that it takes just as long to push paperwork
>>through as it did when I used to type on a standard typewriter. One
>>should ask themselves why? Too many hands....
>>
>>
>>>Take the local cops for example. We pay seniors there from $120,000 to
>>>$180,000 each,plus benefits. All are supposedly fluent in English.
>>>Yet they waste over ONE MILLION DOLLARS for their BS hacks and flacks,
>>>because they do not want to address the media themselves, but would
>>>rather engage in empire building! The million wasted could go instead
>>>to hiring some honest cops!
>>
>>I am not to sure what you mean here.
>>WHY SHOULD TAXPAYERS HAVE TO [AY MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A BS
>>SECTION AT POLICE HQ, WHEN WE ALREADY OVERPAY THE TOP COPS?!!
>>For what the chief and his deputy goons get paid, they should do their
>>own talking to the media, or else continue lying as their predecessors
>>did, until fired!!
>>
>>>As for the council members, there is only one - Mike Nickel - who
>>>actually runs a real business, and even he was forced to move it out of
>>>Edmonton to Leduc!! The rest of council are all parasites, and lazy
>>>ne'er-do-wells.
>>
>>With all the deductions that businesses get from the federal
>>government in income tax why did Mike Nickel have to move his business
>>to Leduc?
>>
>>PROBABLY BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MUCH ANTI-BUSINESS RED TAPE FOR ANY
>>HONEST BUSINESS TRYING TO SURVIVE IN DEADMONTON?
>>
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On 25 Mar 2006 00:36:51 -0000, arielv2  wrote:

>Notice that Ted had listed at least 2 different Friedman
>JEW CHILD MOLESTERS!!

>Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former cantor of
>the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?

>He is the one caught as a major international distributor of KIDDIE PORN, from
>his synagogue. THE CANADIAN COPS ALLOWED THIS FILTHY CRIMINAL to flee back to Boston,
>where the FBI picked him up!!

YET A WHITE CRIMINAL DOING THE SAME, IN EDMONTON, IS GIVEN 3 1/2 YEARS
PRISON!!
Why wasn't the ZYD given similar jail time?


_________________________________________
>On 31 Dec 2005 11:49:41 -0800, "Iamhere"  wrote:
>
>>If your piece is fact, what is the major deal about one Jewish pervert
>>vis a vis the thousands of priests who earned their prayer beads by
>>buggering little boys? I say you are a goyische hypocrite.
>>Iamhere
>>======================================================================================
>>Ted Dichtler wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:11:31 -0700, ariadne 
>>> wrote:
>
>>> Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former
>>> cantor of the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?
>
>>> He is the one caught as a major international DISTRIBUTOR of KIDDIE
>>> PORN, from his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back
>>> to Boston, where the FBI picked him up!!
>
>>> Story as reported by newspaper follows:
>>> kenmcvay  Feb 14 1999, 1:00 am
>>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.ukrainian,
>>> soc.culture.palestine
>>> From: kenmc...@in.vino.veritas.lies
>>> Date: 1999/02/14
>>> Subject: Re: NIZKOR Supports ZHID Kiddie Porn Distributor from Synangogue
>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:16:03 GMT, odess...@direct.ca wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>> >wrote:
>
>>> >>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was O.K.
>>> >>J.B.
>>> >No, it would not be OK, no matter who is the pervert.
>
>>> >What is of concern, is whether the 3 NON-JEWS presently charged with
>>> >similar crimes, will now also be allowed to leave Canada, without
>>> >having to spend the normal 5 years in prison?
>
>>> >Or, is this generosity only available to damn JEW KIDDIE PORN
>>> >DISTRIBUTORS, especially if they are connected to a synagogue??
>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>
>>> ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>> By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>
>>> A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>> hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>> fined $2,200 in court Tuesday.
>
>>> The fine was paid and Suart David Friedman, a
>>> well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>> the country for his native United States.
>
>>> It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>> hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>> collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>> connected to an international child pornography ring.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>> possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>> police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>> cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>> and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>> collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>> diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>
>>> ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>> Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>> Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>> material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>> Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>> from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>> ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>> pornography that's out there.''
>
>>> Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>> September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>> regional intelligence officer.
>
>>> Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>> want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>> photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>
>>> Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>> planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>> can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>> Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>> taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>> difficult time.''
>
>>> The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>> son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>> October, Mrs. Fox said.
>
>>> Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>> elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>> appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>> Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>> and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>
>>> Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>> his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>> provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>> judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>
>>> ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>> Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>> public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>> they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>> get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>
>>> Article Segment 2 of 2
>>> (Ge
>>> (Get All
>
>>> Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>> and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>> electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>
>>> Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>> that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>> conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>> with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>> intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>
>>> The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>> help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>> said.
>
>>> Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>> specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>> this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>> enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>
>>> Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>> of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>> are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>> comment.
>
>>> Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>> $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>> ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>> confiscated.
>
>>> After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>> to be with his family.
>
>>> Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>> maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>> did say there was a plea bargain.
>
>>> Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>> in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>> posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>> prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>> prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>
>>> ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>> who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>> the media.
>>> ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>> about how we will handle this.''
>
>>> Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>> possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>
>>> Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>> partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>> material.
>
>>> With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>> The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>
>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org
>
>
>>> >On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:54:44 +0100, "mkarwan"  wrote:
>
>>> >>http://judicial-inc.biz/freidman_pedophiles_from_hell.htm
>
>>> >One Of Jewry's Most Explosive Incidences
>
>>> >Every now and then, there is a crime so ghastly, that even the Jewish media
>>> >control can't prevent the world from knowing. The crimes of the Friedmans were
>>> >so atrocious, that no string pulling was going to stop this investigation.
>
>>> >They were running a day care in the morning, and teaching computers to 8, 9,
>>> >and 10 yr olds in the afternoon.
>
>>> >They were found to have molested  hundreds of children, and taken extensive
>>> >video and photographic files on their molestations.
>
>>> It seems that much of the pornography and especially KIDDIE PORN
>>> rackets worldwide are run by the JEWS!
>
>
>
>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>
>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>
>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>is a revolutionary act."
>(George Orwell)
>
>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>
>"All truth passes through three stages.
>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>(Arthur Schopenhauer)
>
>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>
>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>and impossible to ignore."
>--John Bryant
>
>
>Posted by:
>Patrick Lee Humphrey
>7500 Bellerive #1807
>Houston, Texas 77036-3040
>1-713-266-7764
>
>Steven Horn (KCOM)
>1836 NW 11th St
>Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>(405) 524-0576
>
>together with
>Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>Henry
>CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>VISIT me at:
>55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>
>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>
>
>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>office: VISIT at:
>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>or call: 1-250-616-9431
>
>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>should give an indication as to the why.
>
>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>
>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>even if he or she were not naked"?
>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>
>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>
>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late nights.
>
>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>work:(780)492-0473
>
>And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
>and davejoll@ihug.co.nz, and Ariadne.mac@gmail.com.
>
>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>
>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>JEW-WATCH:
>http://www.jewwatch.com
>
>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>
>Or, other useful websites include:
>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>IHR - www.ihr.org
>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>
>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>
>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>
>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>
>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>for many years around the world.
>
>Reply-To: "George" ,
>or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
>Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the like.
>
>
>



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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:33:58 GMT, "Sharx35" 
wrote:
>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> Next installment and exposure of city tax department irregularities
>> was in  OPEN COURT, at the MGB Hearing,  March 27.

>> Again, was exposed for all to see, the evidence proving the City
>> allowed the lawyer to be underassessed  for his property at 13723 -
>> 93 St., by HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, for 8 years.

>Is that commercially zoned property, occupied by a residence?

It is a 2 story building, zoned DC5, with lawyer offices on main
floor, and rental apartments on upper floor.

HALF A MILLION DOLLARS each year - for 8 years!
His own papers filed declared the value to be $600,000, while his
friends in the city only assessed for $149,500!!

>> In retaliation, the city assessors incresed the assessment of the man
>> who exposed their graft by 4 TIMES THAT OF HIS NEIGHBOURS!!


>> Yes, the city website is operational in May and June, which allowed
>> some of us the opportunity to get the PROOF, which will be used in
>> the MGB city tax appeals, to PROVE GROSS OR CRIMINAL IRREGULARITIES
>> by the city tax staffers!

>> One must wonder, for whom is Merle Foresth working, since he seems to
>> not care about massive irregularities!!

>> It is now time, to not only FIRE those city employees involved in
>> this massive under-assessment for one of their buddies, but they
>> should also be PROSECUTED for their involvement in this massive FRAUD
>> on the city taxpayers!!

>> How many other friends of city tax department staff are also, still,
>> getting massive under-assessments, worth tens of thousands of dollars
>> per crook, apart from the well-known city lawyer exposed?

>> Time to clean house at city hall, and not just leave it up to
>> Grosvenor to take these crooks to court!!


>> From: arielv2@37.com the filthy crook, wanting everyone to know about
>> how corrupt is the cesspool called Deadmonton, wrote:
>> Newsgroups: edm.general,edm.politics
>> Subject: Re: APPEAL YOUR TAXES!!GRAFT,CORRUPTION in City Tax
>> Appeal-Lawyer Finally Got Taxes Quadrupled!! WHY BE JEWED?
>> Date: 1 Aug 2005 13:21:10 -0700

>> Why do you call our beuatiful city "deadmonton", ?
>> if you don't like it here why are you doing here? why don't you go
>> back to the rat hole you came from (england or whatever hellhole you're
>> from). stop polluting our charming city with your stinking existance. a
>> bullet thru your old and rotten head will be a great solution to your not
>> liking our city. drop dead you fucking nazi!


>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:12:18 -0600, George
>>  wrote:

>>> If your city tax assessment has increased more than the 2.4%
>>> inflation certified by StatsCan, then perhaps you also are a victim
>>> of the crooks running Deadmonton?!!

>>> If you feel you are being overcharged, then do what you are entitled
>>> to do - FILE AN APPEAL!!

>>> The odds are in your favour, since more than 80% of appeals against
>>> the City, win!!

>>> Checking the website for this year's assessments, it seems that the
>>> city of Edmonton finally obeyed the ARB,regarding the dramatically
>>> UNDERASSESSED property owned by a city liar/lawyer!.
>>> The value now is $651,000, up from the ridiculous $149,500!!!

>>> If not CORRUPTION, then at least favouritism, when property
>>> UNDER-ASSESSED BY HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!

>>> Rumour has it that the city tax assessor responsible, is no longer
>>> employed by the city??
>>> Why should a private citizen have to take the City to Court, just to
>>> force the city to do a proper job, for which some slimeball is
>>> getting overpaid?


>>> From: heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb)
>>> Newsgroups:
>>> edm.general,edm.politics,ab.general,ab.politics,can.general Subject:
>>> Re: Graft,Corruption Claimed in City Tax Appeal!! LAWYER TO GET
>>> TAXES QUADRUPLED!!
>>> Date: 2 Oct 2004 08:46:23 -0700

>>> It seems that even a lawyer will finally get his comeuppance.
>>> The ARB on Monday ordered the city tax assessment department to
>>> finally correct the improper assessment and bring the value up to
>>> what it should be.

>>> This means that in one year, the assessment had to jump from the
>>> massive under-assessment of $149,500 to at least $600,000 and
>>> probably $608,000!!!

>>> Even a damned lawyer can finally get what he deserves,when someone
>>> has the guts to force the issue into a court.

>>> How many other massive UNDER-ASSESSMENTS, FOR FRIENDS OF THE CITY
>>> MANAGERS ARE OUT THERE?


>>> heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>>> news:<8e4c980f.0409260720.3cd39d0f@posting.google.com>...
>>>> Regarding the article below,the City is now declining to appear
>>>> before the ARB, tomorrow at 3:30 in the afternoon!!

>>>> It seems that they do not want to name the city tax assessor
>>>> responsible for the more than $200,00 REDUCTION in the property tax
>>>> assessment of the city liar/lawyer!!

>>>> In their documents sent to the complainant, the City DOES CONFIRM
>>>> THE CORRECT VALUE AT MORE THAN $608,000!!

>>>> The tax appeal Court/ARB will be asked whether this constitutes
>>>> CORRUPTION, or/and CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE!!!

>>>> Sharx, and others annoyed with city mismanagement, care to comment?


>>>> heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net (HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote in message
>>>> news:<8e4c980f.0408050922.417b9108@posting.google.com>...
>>>>> City have in fact confirmed,and helped correct previous assessment
>>>>> value.
>>>>> It was actually $149,500, while the owners declared value,in
>>>>> writing, was $600,000!!

>>>>> No explanation from the cretins in the Tax Assessment section as to
>>>>> why they gave their buddy such a massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT!!
>>>>> This while they gouge small homeowners and apartment owners with
>>>>> massive tax hikes!!

>>>>> No wonder the number of appeals this year is allegedly double.
>>>>> Perhaps the citizens are finally getting mad enough for a tax
>>>>> revolt.

>>>>>> Apparently THIS scandal is but the tip of the iceberg, regarding
>>>>>> irregularities involving the city tax department.

>>>>>> Another case,coming up in court next week, relates to an
>>>>>> out-of-court settlement the city had to make un connection with the illegal
>>>>>> closure of the southbound access road for Calgary Trail at Ellerslie Road.
>>>>>> One of the property owners, incensed at his astronomical tax
>>>>>> assessment hike this year, is presenting to the tax appeal court, the evidence
>>>>>> that business plummeted, plus that the city had to pay one of the
>>>>>> businesses!!

>>>>>> The right hand did not know what the left did.....


>>>>>> starwars  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> Can someone explain how a well-known liar/lawyer is able to get a
>>>>>>> massive UNDER-ASSESSMENT on his palatial property,which is
>>>>>>> knowingly under-assessed by more than $200,000.00!!

>>>>>>> This property, which the lawyer and spouse have declared to be
>>>>>>> worth at least $600,000 (yes six hundred thousands because it is
>>>>>>> huge,has law offices on ground floor plus apartments on second
>>>>>>> floor was assessed last year for less than a quarter of
>>>>>>> value,for only $148,000!!

>>>>>>> After the city tax department documented in city tax appeal
>>>>>>> Court last year, evidence of the real value of $600,000. now
>>>>>>> this year it is assessed for $393,500 - still more than $200,000
>>>>>>> UNDER-ASSESSED!!

>>>>>>> At the same time, neighbours are being OVER-ASSESSED by 20%!!

>>>>>>> Naturally, cynics wonder, who is on the take in the City?



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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 04:32:48 GMT, Sew 
wrote:
>On 30 Mar 2006 02:15:16 -0000, Dump The Crooks 
>wrote:

>>Canadian Taxpayers Association has exposed what many Edmonton taxpayers have
>>long suspected.

>>Because the city council and mayor pay themselves by having one third TAXFREE,
>>unlike most honest taxpayers, they are in fact way overpaid for the scams they
>>are endorsing.

>>CTA have confirmed that city councillors are in fact getting the equivalent of
>>$85,110 per year, which is more than other cities are paying.

>>The mayor is seriously overpaid, getting the equivalent of $167,870 a year!!
>>This means that the mayor of Deadmonton gets $6,000 more than Ralph Klein,
>>Premier of Alberta!!

>>Time to dump ALL the mayor and Council, and replace them with honest, hard-working
>>councillors getting a basic pay of $52,000 a year - PLUS BONUSES BASED ON LOWER TAXES
>>AND BETTER PERFORMANCE OF CITY ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS!

>>At the same time, Council should implement ZBB - Zero Based Budgetting, and fire
>>all unnecessary city managers, and close down non-appropriate city departments.
>>Let the federal and provincial governments operate those functions which are THEIR responsibilities, 
>>such as arts, sports,multiculuralism, and welfare, to name a few.

>>Sharx, Sew, Grosvenor - care to comment?

>I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT. I am tired of politicians thinking they can
>just run for office and then increase homeowners taxes just so they
>can give themselves more and more raises. It is NOT RIGHT no matter
>who they are paying to say that it is. The cost of living in Edmonton
>is way lower than Calgary or Toronto, there are fewer people living in
>Edmonton, and most of all which of the people that are running this
>city have a university degree?? After all, in order to make that kind
>of money most people NEED to have a university degree. 

You do not need to have a university degree to be a capable
administrator of billions of dollars.

You should at least be a successful BUSINESS OWNER.
Out of current 13 clowns on council, apparaently only Mike Nickel owns
a successful business.

Further, council members should be HONEST, and not support corruption
and criminality, and similar. This council went so far as to give a
payoff of HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to the former disgraced chief cop,
who had been fired for just cause!!

No honest, competent business managers would have colluded as they
did!!



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With all the recent bad publicity about crooked Edmonton cops and
their torturing civilians, what is the latest news about their Income
Tax Frauds?

Are the crooked Edmonton cops being featured in today's report from
the federal Auditor-General?

Alan B - any updates?

On 1 Dec 2005 21:15:19 -0000, (AntiCrookedCoppers) wrote:
>As other, qualified accountants have detailed, CRA are completely correct in
>prosecuting these crooked cops, for faking in, as to who got paid, before taxes!
>
>It seems that some of these crooked cops used the names of other cops, to minimise
>their taxes, under the table so to speak.
>Who did they think they were, the Bronfman Jews?
>
>One more black mark against the crooks in the Edmonton Police farce!!
>
>On 7 Nov 2005 06:38:03 -0800, "Alan Baggett"  wrote:
>
>>http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2005/11/05/1293866-sun.html
>
>>The Canada Revenue Agency is investigating a police watchdog group's
>>complaint into whether Edmonton cops should be able to bank overtime
>>hours and share them with each other.
>
>>Marshall Deslauriers, chairman of the self-appointed Citizens Committee
>>For Police Oversight, formally filed a complaint yesterday.
>
>>Atop his group's list of concerns is that officers may be permitted to
>>"manipulate and alter wage tax obligations by using a system of
>>"banking" and selective "allocation" for their overtime hours."
>
>>Acting police Chief Darryl da Costa has said that sharing overtime is a
>>longstanding practice that allows officers to pass on their banked time
>>to another officer who needs time off for a family emergency or crisis.
>
>>He said earlier this week that if there is a legal issue with the
>>practice, the EPS will look into it.
>
>>Under their contract, Edmonton cops can bank up to 320 hours of
>>overtime at any given time. The OT can be used whenever they wish, paid
>>out at the end of the year or given to other cops, who may use it as
>>they see fit.
>



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On 30 Sep 2004 18:41:39 -0000,  Student Woes wrote:

>Students complaining about exorbitantly high tuition fees
>should be complaining about all the deadwood profs on
>tenure, drawing obscenely high wages and benefits!!

>So-called professors giving unwanted and useless courses
>to 17 so-called students, (most of whom are natives having
>costs paid by taxpayers,) while drawing $120,000 or so in
>wages, is unfair to poor students struggling to pay for
>tuition, books, other fees, and of course living expenses
>such as rent and food.

>If the students would finally get angry enough to force
>university administrations to ABOLISH TENURE, then perhaps
>tuition fees would actually drop to a more acceptable level.

>Why not abolish all tenured profs, if they can not find enough
>suckers to pay the costs of their wages,class facilities and all
>the other costs connected to having a particular program. In other
>words, have only courses that students who must pay, actually want.

>If the courses are not useful to graduates in obtaining
>worthwhile employment, then the university should not be
>having useless profs sucking at the public teat, to the
>increased cost to students as well.

>How many so-called university graduates are good only for
>a part-time job at McGrungy's, because the courses for
>which they got ripped-off, are not worth anything in the
>real world of employment!!

>FIRE ALL THE USELESS PROFS, [especially those that are PC]
>and let them try to earn a living in the real world.Most of
>these profs would probably have to go on welfare!!



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On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:06:33 -0500, Tommy  wrote:

>The Numbers Decline, The Controversy Increases 
>Multiple Sources
>1-21-5

>It is past time for an international investigation conducted by truly
>impartial scientists, researchers and scholars into the reality of
>Auschwitz to properly and as accurately as possible bring history into
>accord with the facts. Peoples of all religions and persuasions have a
>right to such facts. So far, as the following data demonstrates, we are a
>long way from a consensus on the truth of what happened at Auschwitz in
>WWII. 
 
>9,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by the French documentary, Night and Fog, which has been shown
>to millions of school students worldwide. 
 
>8,000,000 
 
>Source: The French War Crime Research Office, Doc. 31, 1945. 
 
>7,000,000 
>  
>Source: Also cited by the French War Crime Research Office. 
>  
>6,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in the book Auschwitz Doctor by Miklos Nyiszli. It has since
>been proven that this book is a fraud and the "doctor" was never even at
>Auschwitz, even though the book is often cited by historians. 
>  
>5,000,000 to 5,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in 1945 at the trial of Auschwitz commander Rudolf Höss, based
>on his confession which was written in English, a language he never spoke. 
>  
>5,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited on April 20, 1978 by the French daily, Le Monde. Also cited on
>January 23, 1995 by the German daily Die Welt. By September 1, 1989, Le
>Monde reduced the figure to 1,433,000. 
>  
>4,500,000 
>  
>Source: In 1945 this figure was cited by another witness at the
>aforementioned Höss trial. 
>  
>4,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by a Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially
>acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial. This figure was also
>reported in The New York Times on April 18, 1945, although 50 years later
>on January 26, 1995, The New York Times and The Washington Post slashed the
>figure to 1,500,000 citing new findings by the Auschwitz Museum officials.
>In fact, the figure of 4,000,000 was later repudiated by the Auschwitz
>museum officials in 1990 but the figure of 1,500,000 victims was not
>formally announced by Polish President Lech Walesa until five years after
>the Auschwitz historians had first announced their discovery. 
>  
>3,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in the 1991 edition of the Dictionary of the French Language
>and by Claude Lanzmann in 1980 in his introduction to Filip Muller's book,
>Three Years in an Auschwitz Gas Chamber. 
>  
>3,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited in a forced confession by Rudolf Höss, the Auschwitz commander
>who said this was the number of those who had died at Auschwitz prior to
>Dec. 1, 1943. Later cited in the June 7, 1993 issue of Heritage, the most
>widely read Jewish newspaper in California, even though three years
>previously the authorities at the Auschwitz museum had scaled down the
>figure to a minimum of 1,100,000 and a maximum of 1,500,000. (see below). 
>  
>2,500,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Rudolf Vrba (an author of various fraudulent accounts of
>events he claims to have witnessed at Auschwitz) when he testified on July
>16, 1981 for the Israeli government's war crimes trial of former SS
>official Adolf Eichmann. 
>  
>2,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Leon Poliakov (1951) writing in Harvest of Hate; Georges
>Wellers, writing in 1973 in The Yellow Star at the Time of Vichy; and Lucy
>Dawidowicz, writing in 1975 in The War Against the Jews. 
>  
>2,000,000 to 4,000,000 
>  
>Source: Cited by Yehuda Bauer in 1982 in his book, A History of the
>Holocaust. However, by 1989 Bauer revised his figure to 1,600,000. 
>  
>1,600,000 
>  
>Source: This is a 1989 revision by Yehuda Bauer of his earlier figure in
>1982 of 2,000,000 to 4,000,000, Bauer cited this new figure on September
>22, 1989 in The Jerusalem Post, at which time he wrote "The larger figures
>have been dismissed for years, except that it hasn't reached the public
>yet." 
>  
>1,500,000 
>  
>Source: In 1995 this was the number of Auschwitz deaths announced by Polish
>President Lech Walesa as determined by those at the Auschwitz museum. This
>number was inscribed on the monument at the Auschwitz camp at that time,
>thereby "replacing" the earlier 4,000,000 figure that had been formally
>repudiated (and withdrawn from the monument) five years earlier in 1990. At
>that time, on July 17, 1990 The Washington Times reprinted a brief article
>from The London Daily Telegraph citing the "new" figure of 1,500,000 that
>had been determined by the authorities at the Auschwitz museum. This new
>figure was reported two years later in a UPI report published in the New
>York Post on March 26, 1992. On January 26, 1995 both The Washington Post
>and The New York Times cited this 1,500,000 figure as the new "official"
>figure (citing the Auschwitz Museum authorities). 
>  
>1,471,595 
>  
>Source: This is a 1983 figure cited by Georges Wellers who (as noted
>previously) had determined, writing in 1973, that some 2,000,000 had died. 
>  
>1,433,000 
>  
>Source: This figure was cited on September 1, 1989 by the French daily, Le
>Monde, which earlier, on April 20, 1978, had cited the figure at 4,000,000. 
>  
>1,250,000 
>  
>Source: In the book, The Destruction of the European Jews, by Raul Hilberg
>(1985). 
>  
>1,100,000 to 1,500,000 
>  
>Source: Sources for this estimate are Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum
>in their 1984 book, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. This estimate was
>later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of the U.S. Holocaust
>Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on September 8, 1998. The
>upper figure of 1,500,000 is (the new) "official" figure as now inscribed
>at Auschwitz, with the earlier figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from
>the memorial at the site of the former concentration camp. 
>  
>1,000,000 
>  
>Source: Jean-Claude Pressac, writing in his 1989 book Auschwitz: Technique
>and Operation of the Gas Chambers. This is interesting since he wrote his
>book to repudiate so-called "Holocaust deniers" who were called that
>precisely because they had questioned the numbers of those who had died at
>Auschwitz. 
>  
>900,000 
>  
>Source: Reported on August 3, 1990 11, by Aufbau, a Jewish newspaper in New
>York. 
>  
>800,000 to 900,000 
>  
>Source: Reported by Gerald Reitlinger in his book, The Final Solution. 
>  
>775,000 to 800,000 
>  
>Source: Jean-Claude Pressac's revised figure, put forth in his 1993 book,
>The Crematoria of Auschwitz: The Mass Murder's Machinery, scaling down his
>earlier claim of 1,000,000 dead. 
>  
>630,000 to 710,000 
>  
>Source: In 1994 Pressac scaled his figure down somewhat further; this is the
>figure cited in the German language translation of Pressac's 1993 book
>originally published in French. Again, this is substantially less than
>Pressac's 1989 figure of 1,000,000. 
>  
>135,000 to 140,000 
>  
>Source: This is an estimate based on documents held by the International
>Tracing Service of the Red Cross. It is known that International Tracing
>Service has a complete set of registration documents. This is thought to
>include a complete set of roll-call data which includes twice daily tallies
>of those who died. Although the International Tracing Service of the Red
>Cross has such records, they have never officially published an accurate
>count of those who died, or even an accurate report as to exactly which
>documents they hold. However, totals from these records have been obtained
>by various interested parties. 
>  
>The estimate of 135,500 is roughly corroborated by the "Auschwitz death
>books." The death books themselves are wartime German camp records, which
>were captured by the Soviets towards the end of the war, and hidden in
>Soviet achieves, until released to the Red Cross in 1989. 
>  
>The death books consist of 46 volumes which document each death at Auschwitz
>(each death certificate consists of the deceased person's full name,
>profession and religion, date and place of birth, pre-Auschwitz residence,
>parents' names, time of death, and cause of death as determined by a camp
>physician). The records for the most important years, 1942 and 1943, are
>almost complete (there are also a few volumes for the year 1941, but none
>for the year 1944 or January 1945 (when Auschwitz was evacuated)). 
>  
>The Auschwitz death books contain the death certificates of some 69,000
>individuals, of whom about 30,000 were listed as Jews. You may view various
>entries in the Auschwitz Death Books by clicking on the following links to
>the Auschwitz museum: 
>  
>Using all available wartime records from the various camps it has been
>estimated that between 400,000 and 
>500,000 people died in the German concentration camp system (from all
>causes). 
>  
>The ever declining numbers of alleged dead at Auschwitz, are graphically
>illustrated by the plaques from the camp. 
>  
>The first is the plaque that was on display at the Auschwitz camp from 1948
>until 1989 and states "4 million" victims. 
>  
>The second plaque currently on display at Auschwitz has the dramatically
>reduced number of victims, now only 1.5 million. 
>  
>A casual reduction in the number of deaths by some 2.5 million. 
>  
>Deaths at Auschwitz drop by a stunning 2.5 million, but the legendary
>6,000,000 figure remains the same.
>http://www.rense.com/general62/auch.htm



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Jeff, dear fool, the story is completely true, and correct.

Whether  you work for Sears, or not, may all your personal ID be
obtained by an identity thief, so that you may understand the problem.


On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:04:37 GMT, "Jeff Stapleton"
 wrote:
>"Nemesis"  wrote in message 
>news:REM5A56038898.528287037@twistycreek.com...
>> It seems that Sears in Canada is illegally distributing personal data of 
>> its' customers.

>> A charge has been filed with the Alberta Privacy Commissioner, proving 
>> that a major Sears store in Edmonton illegally provided personal confidential 
>> information of  a customer, to someone who was most definitely NOT the customer. 
>> The Alberta government  is prosecuting, to teach Sears that they are not above the law.

>> This situation came to light when the victim received in the mail, from an 
>> anonymous source,  the actual store copy of the receipt involved.

>> HIS personal info including 2 unlisted phone numbers were clearly printed 
>> on the invoice  receipt, together with ther actual customer's VISA card number.
>> Someone had even written on the bill, "wrong number", but the customer was 
>> still given all the details of the original Sears customer.

>> In other words, one MUST NOT TRUST SEARS!


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)


>yo spammer give it up already 




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Regrettably, all the news reports are correct and TRUE.

Police brutality in Edmonton is so rampant, the Edmonton Journal
newspaper, as well as the TV stations hardly have a day pass, 
without yet another expose of more police brutality!!

The media need not fabricate the stories, since the Courts carry 
the charges!!

Your comments seem to be along the line of "shoot the messenger 
of bad news!"

By the way, reference to Calgary merely confirms the truth, that
Calgary does not have the same problem with crooked cops!
In other words a great place to visit, unlike the cesspool of
Edmonton.


On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:01:38 GMT, "Alohacyberian"
 wrote:
>"Alan Pollock"  wrote in message 
>news:e99ivp$mvk$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> In rec.travel.usa-canada Alohacyberian  wrote:
>>
>>> The comments are so strident that I take them with a grain of salt.  If 
>>> they  were toned down serious people might take them more seriously.  KM
>>
>> It's easy to take some factual basis remote or not, fondle, spin and 
>> expand  into impressions designed to make the vulnerable believe a truth that just
>> doesn't exist.
>>
>> An example - albeit a touch more subtle but not by much - is Michael 
>> Moore's  "documentary" in effect a mockumentary called Farenheit 9-11.
>>
>> I must honestly add that I haven't researched Edmonton because quite 
>> frankly I  could care less. However the hate-posts here have had the opposite of 
>> their  intended effect on me.
>>
>> Edmonton's quite possibly a very good place to visit.
>>
>> Anybody who uses techniques like that of the posters is unworthy of my
>> respect, so in my book Edmonton's still a virgin, at the very least.
>>
>> The haters keep putting ketchup on the eggs of their own undoing. Nex
>>
>I have a friend who lives in Ontario and travels to Calgary, Alberta once a 
>year.  I asked him if he ever goes to Edmonton and he said that he'd been 
>there a few times and hadn't heard anything bad about it.  He was unaware of 
>the flap we've read here.  I, too will probably never go to Edmonton, 
>especially as long as Banff and Lake Louise are alternatives.  So yes, your 
>comparison of the shrill conjectures about Edmonton in this forum to Michael 
>Moore's schlockumentaries do seem apropos.  KM



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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:01:09 GMT, "Princeandy"  wrote:

51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian and
Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it
difficult not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to
wear when examining Zionism.

>http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch06.htm

>Hitler was history's flail to drive the stiff-necked Jews back to their own
>kind and their own land

>How many times have we heard the impious wish uttered in despair over the
>apathy of American Jews to Zionism, that a Hitler descend upon them? Then
>they would realize the need for Palestine! ([6]

>However, defeating Jabotinsky's resolution did not necessarily mean that the
>delegates favoured a deal with Hitler and, when the Nazis announced that
>they had signed an agreement with the Zionists allowing German Jews to ship
>three million Reichmarks' worth of Jewish wealth to Palestine in the form of
>German export goods, much of the Congress dismissed the statement as a
>propaganda stunt. When the truth became clear, pandemonium broke loose. The
>leadership had completely miscalculated and genuinely expected the pact to
>be immensely popular. Now, stunned by the hostile opposition, they tried to
>protect themselves by outright lying; the Labour leader, Berl Locker,
>brazenly proclaimed: "the executive of the World Zionist Organisation had
>nothing to do with the negotiations which led to an agreement with the
>German government". [17] No one believed this crude fabrication

>Read the Red Cross reports. Go to the Red Cross museum, headquarters
> in your city and pick up the records. Anyway theres a few independent
> witnesses.
>> http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndstats.html

>http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Numbe
>> r=293321480
>> http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=2735

>> http://www.rense.com/general69/factua.htm

>> Rassinier seems to wrap it up.
>> http://www.ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking1-0.html

>During World WarII, Rassinier was a highly decorated member of the French
>Resistance. In October of 1943 he was arrested by the Gestapo for various
>activities including the smuggling of Jewish refugees over the Franco-Swiss
>border.  http://www.codoh.com/thoughtcrimes/PORT1RAS.HTML

>> http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2_Letters.html
>> On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A. Lindbergh
>> broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that when
>> Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following WW2, he was
>> told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years
>> http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/lindbergh3.html

>http://666ismoney.com/HolocaustAds.html
>I, Raquel Baranow am a Grad Student of Holocaust Denial. There are persons
>with PhD's in various fields who also deny the 6 million canard. The best evidence
> is forensic. Until recently, there was never a forensic examination of the alleged 
>murder weapon (gas chambers). Demographic figures are incomplete. After the fall
>of East Europe to communism, many of the millions of Jews who fled Poland
>into the Soviet Union or ended up behind the Iron Curtain changed their names 
>to assimilate, many civilians died in the war, many died in the
>concentration camps of louse-born typhus. During World War One, two million
>civilians in the Soviet Union died of typhus. Many died in Stalin's gulags.
>Yad Vashem,( http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_Welcome)a Holocaust
>Documentation Center in Israel has a database of  3,000,000 alleged victims
>of  Nazi extermination. But as you can see HERE
>(http://666ismoney.com/YadVashem.html) (my maiden name, Friedemann), nearly
>every name is listed at least twice, some as many as five times!
>http://www.yadvashem.org/lwp/workplace/IY_HON_Welcome

>Yad Vashem's 3,000,000 "Holocaust victims" database lists nearly
>everyone twice. Some as many at five times. Anyone, including
>you can submit a "Page of Testimony".

>And of course we have lists duplicated, unconfirmed, but 3m according to our
>usual jewish/Zionist sources.

>Put your name in, you might be missing out on reparations.

>Has been improvements since this, numbers still very dicey.

>Name                                  Town          District          Region
>Country          Bday          Source

>Friedemann Adolf        Berlin         Berlin         Berlin         Germany
>1879         list of victims from Germany
>Friedemann Adolf        Berlin         Berlin         Berlin         Germany
>1879         list of deportation from Berlin
>Friedemann Adolf        Berlin         Berlin         Berlin         Germany
>1905         list of deportation from Berlin

>It is forensically impractical or impossible to exterminate millions with
>louse disinfestant (hydrogen cyanide gas) or diesel exhaust as alleged 
>by malicious "witnesses" or tortured confessors. There are no written orders for
>extermination. Aerial reconnaissance photographs of the concentration camps
>show no smoke and flames belching from the crematoria and pyres as alleged. 
>The photos and records show there was not enough coke or
>crematoria to cremate millions of corpses. The "witnesses" and confessors
>lied about how many minutes it takes to cremate a corpse. Diesel exhaust 
>does not contain significant amount of carbon monoxide to kill a human. If
>the Nazis wanted to kill millions they could have driven the coal fired
>train into a tunnel or quonset hut and gassed 'em with the exhaust from 
>the locomotive or used the exhaust from the crematoria. At Auschwitz, 
>during a typhus epidemic, up to 300 people died per day, hence the 
>crematoria, shaving of heads and requisitions for tons of
>Zyklon B louse disinfestant. HCN is a very dangerous, impractical, messy
>method for extermination.
>http://www.vho.org/
>The Holocaust Controversy A Case for open Debate
>The Gas Chambers are a fraud, a tourist attraction, slander, demonizing,
>impractical/impossible, malicious atrocity propaganda spread by the communists, 
>who hated Hitler and perpetrated by Jews, who were always
>looking for ways to get to the lands of milk and money. The Jews have
>extorted billions from the US Treasury, Germany, Swiss banks and insurance 
>companies on account of the Holohoax fraud. The Holohoax also makes
>those who fought Hitler feel like they did something good fighting the
>demon, Hitler instead of letting Hitler take
>on Stalin alone.

>A "liberal" person has an open mind. A bigot is irrational and obstinate.

>Without Jewish co operation through the zionists the Germans would never
>have had the resources to herd the Jews into the various camps. And the
>zionists made it impossible for the underground to trust the jews.
>Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the
>frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat
>comprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,
>with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,
>could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not
>even know their whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no
>illusions. Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner's
>committee, that he intended to send all Hungary's Jews to Auschwitz, before
>he even started the expulsions! He told them clearly that all these Jews
>will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain conditions were met.

>http://www.geocities.com/chabaan_2000/safad.HTM
>Is The same authors also describe co-operation between Zionist leaders and
>Eichmann. It is interesting to note that the extreme right-wing revisionists
>only chose wealthy Jews for emigration, whereas other Zionists insisted on
>taking only young and healthy Jews. Eichmann helped them to carry out these
>plans, in return for which the Zionist Organization paid large sums to the
>Nazis. As Kimche says about the Zionist delegates in Germany: They had not
>come to Germany to save Jews. That was not their job. When the Nazis began
>the systematic murder of Jews in 1941, the Zionists decided neither to
>support Jewish resistance in Europe, nor to attack the Nazis, nor to say
>anything about the mass liquidation of their fellow Jews. Their sole purpose
>was to save certain selected Jews as future settlers in Palestine. They were
>not interested in Jews who wished to stay in their home countries and fight
>the Nazis.

>God told the jews the earthly struggles facing them if they didn't
>follow his lead. Well, they didn't and will continue to face Gods
>promise.




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Rob Welldumb, while stealing time and internet from his employers,
J.R.Paine, still refuses to discuss the subject.

Are his employers aware of the theft of company assets by Welldumb, or
should we all phone them to let them know?
Or, email them at jrp@jrp.ca?


On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:50:53 GMT, ChrisO'Neill
 wrote:

>On 25 Mar 2006 00:36:51 -0000, arielv2  wrote:

>>Notice that Ted had listed at least 2 different Friedman
>>JEW CHILD MOLESTERS!!

>>Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former cantor of
>>the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?

>>He is the one caught as a major international distributor of KIDDIE PORN, from
>>his synagogue. THE CANADIAN COPS ALLOWED THIS FILTHY CRIMINAL to flee back to Boston,
>>where the FBI picked him up!!

>YET A WHITE CRIMINAL DOING THE SAME, IN EDMONTON, IS GIVEN 3 1/2 YEARS
>PRISON!!
>Why wasn't the ZYD given similar jail time?
________________________________________
>>On 31 Dec 2005 11:49:41 -0800, "Iamhere"  wrote:

>>>If your piece is fact, what is the major deal about one Jewish pervert
>>>vis a vis the thousands of priests who earned their prayer beads by
>>>buggering little boys? I say you are a goyische hypocrite.
>>>Iamhere
>>>======================================================================================
>>>Ted Dichtler wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:11:31 -0700, ariadne 
>>>> wrote:

>>>> Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former
>>>> cantor of the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?

>>>> He is the one caught as a major international DISTRIBUTOR of KIDDIE
>>>> PORN, from his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back
>>>> to Boston, where the FBI picked him up!!

>>>> Story as reported by newspaper follows:
>>>> kenmcvay  Feb 14 1999, 1:00 am
>>>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.ukrainian,
>>>> soc.culture.palestine
>>>> From: kenmc...@in.vino.veritas.lies
>>>> Date: 1999/02/14
>>>> Subject: Re: NIZKOR Supports ZHID Kiddie Porn Distributor from Synangogue
>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:16:03 GMT, odess...@direct.ca wrote:
>>>> >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>>> >wrote:

>>>> >>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was O.K.
>>>> >>J.B.
>>>> >No, it would not be OK, no matter who is the pervert.

>>>> >What is of concern, is whether the 3 NON-JEWS presently charged with
>>>> >similar crimes, will now also be allowed to leave Canada, without
>>>> >having to spend the normal 5 years in prison?

>>>> >Or, is this generosity only available to damn JEW KIDDIE PORN
>>>> >DISTRIBUTORS, especially if they are connected to a synagogue??

>>>> >>> > wrote:

>>>> ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>>> By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters

>>>> A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>>> hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>>> fined $2,200 in court Tuesday.

>>>> The fine was paid and Suart David Friedman, a
>>>> well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>>> the country for his native United States.

>>>> It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>>> hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>>> collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>>> connected to an international child pornography ring.

>>>> Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>>> possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>>> police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>>> cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>>> and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>>> collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>>> diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.

>>>> ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>>> Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>>> Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>>> material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>>> Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>>> from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>>> ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>>> pornography that's out there.''

>>>> Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>>> September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>>> regional intelligence officer.

>>>> Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>>> want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>>> photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.

>>>> Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>>> planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>>> can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>>> Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>>> taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>>> difficult time.''

>>>> The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>>> son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>>> October, Mrs. Fox said.

>>>> Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>>> elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>>> appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>>> Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.

>>>> Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>>> and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.

>>>> Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>>> his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>>> provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>>> judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.

>>>> ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>>> Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>>> public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>>> they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>>> get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.

>>>> Article Segment 2 of 2
>>>> (Ge
>>>> (Get All

>>>> Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>>> and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>>> electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.

>>>> Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>>> that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>>> conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.

>>>> Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>>> with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>>> intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.

>>>> The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>>> help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>>> said.

>>>> Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>>> specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>>> this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>>> enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''

>>>> Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>>> of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>>> are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>>> comment.

>>>> Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>>> $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>>> ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>>> confiscated.

>>>> After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>>> to be with his family.

>>>> Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>>> maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>>> did say there was a plea bargain.

>>>> Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>>> in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>>> posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>>> prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>>> prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.

>>>> ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>>> who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>>> the media.
>>>> ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>>> about how we will handle this.''

>>>> Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>>> possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.

>>>> Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>>> partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>>> material.

>>>> With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>>> The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.

>>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org


>>>> >On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:54:44 +0100, "mkarwan"  wrote:
>>>> >>http://judicial-inc.biz/freidman_pedophiles_from_hell.htm

>>>> >One Of Jewry's Most Explosive Incidences

>>>> >Every now and then, there is a crime so ghastly, that even the Jewish media
>>>> >control can't prevent the world from knowing. The crimes of the Friedmans were
>>>> >so atrocious, that no string pulling was going to stop this investigation.

>>>> >They were running a day care in the morning, and teaching computers to 8, 9,
>>>> >and 10 yr olds in the afternoon.

>>>> >They were found to have molested  hundreds of children, and taken extensive
>>>> >video and photographic files on their molestations.

>>>> It seems that much of the pornography and especially KIDDIE PORN
>>>> rackets worldwide are run by the JEWS!

>>If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>>then visit  www.freedomsite.org

>>Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>>"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>>is a revolutionary act."
>>(George Orwell)

>>David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

>>"All truth passes through three stages.
>>First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>>and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>>(Arthur Schopenhauer)

>>"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>>but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>>falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>>they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>>against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>>"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>>acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>>and impossible to ignore."
>>--John Bryant



>>We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>>Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>>We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>>We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>>Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>>office: VISIT at:
>>#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>>Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>>or call: 1-250-616-9431

>>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>>should give an indication as to the why.

>>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>>even if he or she were not naked"?
>>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>>For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>>background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>>detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>>known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>>It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>>to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>>Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>>NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>>Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>>Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>>Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>>I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>>send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>>work:(780)492-0473

>>And also: George Firestone: "George" ,
>>and davejoll@ihug.co.nz, and Ariadne.mac@gmail.com.

>>Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>>Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>>For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>>JEW-WATCH:
>>http://www.jewwatch.com

>>Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>>NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>>people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>>Or, other useful websites include:
>>ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>>IHR - www.ihr.org
>>OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>>PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>>Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>>AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>>THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>>Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>>They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>>They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>>and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

>>As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>>victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>>of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>>May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>>In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>>for many years around the world.

>>Reply-To: "George" ,
>>or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
>>Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the like.




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Rob Welldumb, while stealing time and internet from his employers,
J.R.Paine, still refuses to discuss the subject.

Are his employers aware of the theft of company assets by Welldumb, 
or should we all phone them to let them know?
Or, email them at jrp@jrp.ca?


On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:26:57 GMT, "Robert Weldon"
 wrote:
>"ChrisO'Neill"  wrote in message 
>news:v9kbf2ls5d3a55uu513es7cbl8l7v2g84q@4ax.com...
>> On 30 Sep 2004 18:41:39 -0000,  Student Woes wrote:

>The Grosvenor back to school special, repost a whine from two years ago. 




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Man muss wundern, wer hat $32 Millionen Geld, wenn es kein Plant gibt?
Ist $32 MILLIONEN  verschwunden?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:23:37 -0700, Ariadne 
wrote:

>In a half page headline story in the Edmonton Journal today in December, the
>report complains that even after more than 3 years, THERE IS STILL NOT EVEN
>THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE GEKO GARBAGE COMPUTER 
>RECYCLING PLANT IN EDMONTON,CANADA!!

>Because of the non-existence of the GEKO recycling plant, there is now 3235
>tonnes of computers piled at the site. This has caused criticism from the
>Electronic Recycling Corporation of Alberta, who recycle usable computers for
>charities. They see the waste of usable computers in the open air stockpiles,
>in mud and water because GEKO is not functioning, as being against the best
>interests of the public, and charities.

>Dieter Obergfell, of GEKO, explaining from Essen, , now claims that
>construction MIGHT start this August, 3 years later than originally proposed.

>From: Ken Levi 
>Newsgroups:
>de.soc.wirtschaft,de.soc.politik.misc,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.germany
>Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing Extra $28 MILLION?? WER
>PROFITIERT,Bundesfinanzamt?
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0700

>When GEKO claims that they will be spending more than 10 TIMES what
>the successful competitor MAXUS paid for their plant, and when MAXUS
>even paid for their land which GEKO will not, one has to ask, WHO IS
>GETTING THE EXTRA 28 MILLIONEN??

>Has Bundesfinanzamt approved the removal of the more than 30 millionen
>from Germany?

>Have the shareholders of GEKO been given all the facts regarding the
>disappearance of this money from their control?
>
>
>On 9 Nov 2004 00:39:27 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>(DanChristensen) wrote:
>
>>Here in Canada, people have another extremely interesting question, which manager of
>>GEKO Recycling Technologies Dieter Obergfell can not answer!!
>>WHY IS THE EDMONTON CANADA GARBAGE PROJECT FOR GEKO GOING TO COST 30 MILLIONEN,
>>since they do not have to pay for the land of 5 acres?
>
>>In the nearby community of Ryley, the competitor doing the same work,
>>MAXUS TECHNOLOGTY CORPORATION, paid under
>>$3 millionen, which included the cost for their land!!
>
>>WHO IS POCKETING THE EXTRA $27 MILLIONEN? WER PROFITIERT?
>
>
>>An interesting question for Deutsche Bundesfinanzamt - Did GEKO pay the taxes 
>>in Germany, on the 30 million they say they will spend/lose
>>in Edmonton, Canada?
>
>
>>A local paper in Edmonton,Canada is reporting that the firm GEKO, division of DiHAG/GEKO
>>is supposed to be spending $30 million for a computer recycling plant at the 
>>local garbage dump.
>
>>It is not clear why GEKO are building this overpriced facility.
>
>>For more than 3 years, a competitor, MAXUS Technology Corporation, has been in 
>>business in a nearby town.
>>MAXUS have also made contracts with communities throughout western Canada and 
>>also the USA, to have trainloads of computers and similar
>>materials available for processing, leaving next to no product for GEKO!!
>
>>Because GEKO did NOT build when they said they would, 2 years ago, the mayor 
>>was defeated in his bid for re- election this week!!
>
>
>>Subject: Germany Continues Boycott of Deadmonton
>>Date: 1999/07/25
>>Message-ID: <199907251430.QAA17273@mail.replay.com>#1/1
>>Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,soc.culture.german
>
>>The media report that no businesses from Germany bothered
>>to attend this year's Klondike Days in Deadmonton, (Edmonton)Canada
>
>>Even though GERMANY was the featured nation.
>
>>Could this perhaps have something to do with the snubbing
>>by Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH Smith, of the international trade
>>delegation from Germany, whom he REFUSED to meet?
>
>>Smith refused to meet with the large delegation of people from Berlin,
>>who had been scheduled by both the provincial government trade office,
>>as well as City Hall.
>
>>The trade delegation after being snubbed by Smith, then went on to
>>Calgary, where they were welcomed. They also did do considerable
>>business, in the pro-business city, unlike the welfare  dump of
>>Deadmonton.
>
>>This INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT was documented in detail in the
>>Edmonton Journal 3 times - 1 December 1995 on page B2,
>>on 12 January 1996 on page B3, and again on 28 March 1996 on page A14.
>
>>The media in Germany carried many articles, denouncing the
>>anti-German actions of Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH.
>
>>It seems that even though slick Willy squanders piles of
>>taxpayer dollars wining and dining and traipsing off to
>>Germany, the businesspeople there still remember him as
>>Burgermeister Arschloch.
>
>>That is why Deadmonton is still blackballed by thinking Germans.
>
>>Now, slick Willy is trying to con some Germans running GEKO to
>>build a recycling plant for computers, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THAT
>>THEY ARE TOO LATE!!
>
>>Another local firm MAXUS TECHNOLOGY INC. has built a multi-million dollar 
>>facility near Edmonton, already operating, to handle millions of tonnes of old computers from all over 
>>Canada and the USA!!
>
>>Are Germans so stupid as to believe a mayor, whose own business as
>>a used tire dealer went under?? Ask Michelin about B & D Tiretown,
>>or even ask Jan Reimer who brought it up in the election campaign...
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Subject: Re: KATYN=MURDERS OF  POLISH  BY ZYDS/SOVIET NKVD!!! Like Vinnitsa!! NEVER  FORGET!
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With even the Soviets forced to admit that it was their ZYD NKVD who
did the murders at KATYN, why are you apologising for them?

Historians and experts proved it was NOT the Germans!

Were you one of the killers, or perhaps your father, uncle or?


On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:54:59 -0700, "Peter Wielki" 
wrote:

>Actually, in Katyn there were Russians and Ukraninians that did the crime, 
>as far as I know.
>
>But yeah, let's blame it on JEWS!!!  Germans did it too, right Frankie?


>"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
>news:ummva2ddrk9aik6jnqimp9mseb9b5ap4g1@4ax.com...
>> True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZYDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary of 
>> the
>> discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland 
>> had
>> been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated to 
>> The
>> Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis, who
>> invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely used 
>> the
>> word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler learned, 
>> as
>> dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers from a 
>> single
>> narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: its intent was 
>> to
>> eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its perceived
>> guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the
>> exiled Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn, 
>> outside
>> Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and
>> the terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the 
>> relationship
>> between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him, 
>> awarding
>> him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his future murder 
>> victims.
>> And when Stalin jested that they should settle the German problem once and 
>> for
>> all by killing 50,000 German officers, Churchill merely protested sulkily, 
>> and
>> Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one 
>> by
>> which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three knew 
>> of
>> the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, all 
>> three -
>> two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich 
>> five
>> years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn: once
>> Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with almost
>> anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn into 
>> the
>> diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan Government 
>> in
>> the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a memorial in London to the
>> victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>>>Katyn
>>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>
>>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>
>>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>
>>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>>of Poland.
>>
>>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>>in 1940.
>>
>>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>>>along the River Bug.
>>
>>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>
>>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>
>>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>
>>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>>>Russia.
>>
>>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>>>FBI.
>>
>>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>>>of them did.
>>
>>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>
>>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>
>>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>>>killings.
>>
>> ISRAEL REFUSED TO PROSECUTE THESAE ZHID MURDERERS!!
>>
>>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>
>>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>>>back to their governments.
>>
>>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>
>>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>
>>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>>>decided.
>>
>>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>
>>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>>feeling.
>>
>>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews/ZHIDS  isn't surprising. What is
>>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>
>>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
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>>
>> ++++++++++++++
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>>
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>>
>> First,let us kill all the lawyers! - W.Shakespeare
>> First, we get rid of all the politicians! - Mao tse Dung
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled-as fertiliser!!
>> Me
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Newsgroups:
>> pl.regionalne.krakow,pl.regionalne.lodz,pl.regionalne.warszawa,soc.culture.polish,alt.politics.europe
>> Subject: KATYN=MURDERS BY ZHIDS/SOVIET NKVD!!! True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZHIDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:
>> soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary
>> of the discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland
>> had been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated
>> to The Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis,
>> who invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely
>> used the word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler
>> learned, as dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers
>> from a single narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: 
>> its
>> intent was to eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its
>> perceived guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the exiled
>> Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn,
>> outside Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. 
>> A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and the
>> terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the
>> relationship between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him,
>> awarding him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his
>> future murder victims. And when Stalin jested that they should settle the
>> German problem once and for all by killing 50,000 German officers, 
>> Churchill
>> merely protested sulkily, and Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing
>> only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one
>> by which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three
>> knew of the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, 
>> all
>> three - two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to
>> those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich
>> five years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn:
>> once Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with
>> almost anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn
>> into the diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan
>> Government in the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a
>> memorial in London to the victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>> >>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>> >>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>> >>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>> >>>>Katyn
>>> >>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>> >>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>> >>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>> >>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>> >>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>> >>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>> >>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>> >>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>> >>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>> >>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>> >>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>> >>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>> >>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>> >>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>> >>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>> >>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>> >>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>> >>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>> >>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>
>>> >>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>> >>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>> >>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>> >>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>> >>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>
>>> >>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>> >>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>> >>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>> >>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>> >>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>> >>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>> >>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>
>>> >>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>> >>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>> >>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>> >>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>> >>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>> >>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>> >>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>> >>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>> >>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>> >>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>> >>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>> >>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>> >>>>of Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>> >>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>> >>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>> >>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>> >>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>> >>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>> >>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>> >>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>> >>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>> >>>>in 1940.
>>
>>> >>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>> >>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>> >>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>> >>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>> >>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>> >>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>> >>>>along the River Bug.
>>
>>> >>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>> >>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>> >>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>> >>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>> >>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>> >>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>> >>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>> >>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>> >>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>> >>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>> >>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>> >>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>> >>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>> >>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>> >>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>> >>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>> >>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>> >>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>> >>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>> >>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>> >>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>> >>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>> >>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>
>>> >>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>> >>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>> >>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>> >>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>> >>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>> >>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>> >>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>> >>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>> >>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>> >>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>> >>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>> >>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>> >>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>> >>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>> >>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>> >>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>> >>>>Russia.
>>
>>> >>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>> >>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>> >>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>> >>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>> >>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>> >>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>> >>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>> >>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>> >>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>> >>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>> >>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>> >>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>> >>>>FBI.
>>
>>> >>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>> >>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>> >>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>> >>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>> >>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>> >>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>> >>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>> >>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>> >>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>> >>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>> >>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>> >>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>> >>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>> >>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>> >>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>> >>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>> >>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>> >>>>of them did.
>>
>>> >>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>> >>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>> >>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>> >>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>> >>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>> >>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>> >>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>> >>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>> >>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>> >>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>> >>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>> >>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>
>>> >>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>> >>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>> >>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>> >>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>> >>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>> >>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>> >>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>> >>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>> >>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>> >>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>> >>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>> >>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>> >>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>> >>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>
>>> >>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>> >>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>> >>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>> >>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>> >>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>> >>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>> >>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>> >>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>> >>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>> >>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>> >>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>> >>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>> >>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>> >>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>> >>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>> >>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>> >>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>> >>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>> >>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>> >>>>killings.
>>
>>> >>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>> >>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>> >>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>> >>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>> >>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>> >>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>> >>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>> >>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>> >>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>> >>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>> >>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>> >>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>> >>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>> >>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>> >>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>> >>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>
>>> >>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>> >>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>> >>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>> >>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>> >>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>> >>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>> >>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>> >>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>> >>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>> >>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>> >>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>> >>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>> >>>>back to their governments.
>>
>>> >>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>> >>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>> >>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>> >>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>> >>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>> >>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>> >>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>
>>> >>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>> >>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>> >>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>> >>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>> >>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>> >>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>> >>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>> >>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>> >>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>> >>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>> >>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>> >>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>> >>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>
>>> >>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>> >>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>> >>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>> >>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>> >>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>> >>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>> >>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>> >>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>> >>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>> >>>>decided.
>>
>>> >>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>> >>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>> >>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>> >>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>> >>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>> >>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>> >>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>> >>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>> >>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>> >>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>> >>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>> >>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>> >>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>
>>> >>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>> >>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>> >>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>> >>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>> >>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>> >>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>> >>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>> >>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>> >>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>> >>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>> >>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>> >>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>> >>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>> >>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>> >>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>> >>>>feeling.
>>
>>> >>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is
>>> >>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>> >>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>> >>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>> >>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>> >>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>> >>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>> >>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>> >>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>> >>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>
>>> >>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>> >>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>> >>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>> >>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>
>>> >>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>> >>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>> >>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>> >>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>
>>> >>>>++++++++++++++
>>
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>>> >>>>http://www.amren.com
>>
>>> >>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>> >>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>
>>> >>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>> >>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>
>>> >>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>> >>>>http://www.14words.com
>>
>>> >>>>National Alliance
>>> >>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>
>>> >>>>Stormfront
>>> >>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>
>>> >>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>> >>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>> I like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, PAMYAT, HAMAS or Aryan Nations,etc.
>>
>> CALL late nights best, or even VISIT me:
>> Donald Ray Ellis
>> aka Pat Blakely/RevWhite/Mike Kalvatis/Rob Stewart ET AL
>> 108 E. Victory Street
>> Star City, Arkansas 71667
>> Tel: (870) 628-1437
>> Email: voiceofreason@blakely.harrogate.net
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
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>> 1-713-266-7764
>>
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>> 1836 NW 11th St
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>>
>> together with
>>
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>>
>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>>
>>
>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431
>>
>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.
>>
>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>>
>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>>
>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>>
>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late 
>> nights.
>>
>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473
>>
>> And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>>
>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>>
>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com
>>
>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>>
>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>>
>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>>
>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>>
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>>
>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.
>>
>> Reply-To: "George" 
>>
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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann

>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001

>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm

>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.

>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.

>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.

>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.

>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."

>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.

>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.

>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron

>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.

>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.

>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."

>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.

>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.

>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."

>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.

>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.

>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.

>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.

>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.

>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.

>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.

>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.

>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.

>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.

>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM

>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.

>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.

>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.

>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.

>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."

>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.

>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.

>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.

>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.

>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."



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With even the Soviets forced to admit that it was their ZYD NKVD who
did the murders at KATYN, why are you apologising for them?

Historians and experts proved it was NOT the Germans!

Were you one of the killers, or perhaps your father, uncle or?


On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:54:59 -0700, "Peter Wielki" 
wrote:

>Actually, in Katyn there were Russians and Ukraninians that did the crime, 
>as far as I know.
>
>But yeah, let's blame it on JEWS!!!  Germans did it too, right Frankie?


>"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
>news:ummva2ddrk9aik6jnqimp9mseb9b5ap4g1@4ax.com...
>> True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZYDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary of 
>> the
>> discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland 
>> had
>> been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated to 
>> The
>> Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis, who
>> invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely used 
>> the
>> word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler learned, 
>> as
>> dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers from a 
>> single
>> narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: its intent was 
>> to
>> eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its perceived
>> guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the
>> exiled Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn, 
>> outside
>> Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and
>> the terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the 
>> relationship
>> between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him, 
>> awarding
>> him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his future murder 
>> victims.
>> And when Stalin jested that they should settle the German problem once and 
>> for
>> all by killing 50,000 German officers, Churchill merely protested sulkily, 
>> and
>> Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one 
>> by
>> which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three knew 
>> of
>> the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, all 
>> three -
>> two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich 
>> five
>> years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn: once
>> Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with almost
>> anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn into 
>> the
>> diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan Government 
>> in
>> the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a memorial in London to the
>> victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>>>Katyn
>>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>
>>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>
>>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>
>>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>>of Poland.
>>
>>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>>in 1940.
>>
>>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>>>along the River Bug.
>>
>>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>
>>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>
>>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>
>>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>>>Russia.
>>
>>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>>>FBI.
>>
>>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>>>of them did.
>>
>>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>
>>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>
>>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>>>killings.
>>
>> ISRAEL REFUSED TO PROSECUTE THESAE ZHID MURDERERS!!
>>
>>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>
>>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>>>back to their governments.
>>
>>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>
>>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>
>>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>>>decided.
>>
>>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>
>>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>>feeling.
>>
>>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews/ZHIDS  isn't surprising. What is
>>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>
>>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>
>> ++++++++++++++
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> First,let us kill all the lawyers! - W.Shakespeare
>> First, we get rid of all the politicians! - Mao tse Dung
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled-as fertiliser!!
>> Me
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Newsgroups:
>> pl.regionalne.krakow,pl.regionalne.lodz,pl.regionalne.warszawa,soc.culture.polish,alt.politics.europe
>> Subject: KATYN=MURDERS BY ZHIDS/SOVIET NKVD!!! True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZHIDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:
>> soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary
>> of the discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland
>> had been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated
>> to The Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis,
>> who invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely
>> used the word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler
>> learned, as dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers
>> from a single narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: 
>> its
>> intent was to eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its
>> perceived guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the exiled
>> Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn,
>> outside Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. 
>> A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and the
>> terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the
>> relationship between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him,
>> awarding him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his
>> future murder victims. And when Stalin jested that they should settle the
>> German problem once and for all by killing 50,000 German officers, 
>> Churchill
>> merely protested sulkily, and Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing
>> only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one
>> by which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three
>> knew of the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, 
>> all
>> three - two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to
>> those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich
>> five years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn:
>> once Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with
>> almost anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn
>> into the diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan
>> Government in the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a
>> memorial in London to the victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>> >>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>> >>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>> >>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>> >>>>Katyn
>>> >>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>> >>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>> >>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>> >>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>> >>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>> >>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>> >>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>> >>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>> >>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>> >>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>> >>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>> >>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>> >>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>> >>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>> >>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>> >>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>> >>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>> >>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>> >>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>
>>> >>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>> >>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>> >>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>> >>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>> >>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>
>>> >>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>> >>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>> >>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>> >>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>> >>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>> >>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>> >>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>
>>> >>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>> >>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>> >>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>> >>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>> >>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>> >>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>> >>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>> >>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>> >>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>> >>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>> >>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>> >>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>> >>>>of Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>> >>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>> >>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>> >>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>> >>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>> >>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>> >>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>> >>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>> >>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>> >>>>in 1940.
>>
>>> >>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>> >>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>> >>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>> >>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>> >>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>> >>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>> >>>>along the River Bug.
>>
>>> >>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>> >>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>> >>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>> >>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>> >>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>> >>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>> >>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>> >>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>> >>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>> >>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>> >>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>> >>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>> >>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>> >>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>> >>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>> >>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>> >>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>> >>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>> >>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>> >>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>> >>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>> >>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>> >>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>
>>> >>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>> >>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>> >>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>> >>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>> >>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>> >>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>> >>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>> >>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>> >>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>> >>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>> >>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>> >>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>> >>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>> >>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>> >>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>> >>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>> >>>>Russia.
>>
>>> >>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>> >>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>> >>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>> >>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>> >>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>> >>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>> >>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>> >>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>> >>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>> >>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>> >>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>> >>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>> >>>>FBI.
>>
>>> >>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>> >>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>> >>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>> >>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>> >>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>> >>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>> >>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>> >>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>> >>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>> >>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>> >>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>> >>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>> >>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>> >>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>> >>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>> >>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>> >>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>> >>>>of them did.
>>
>>> >>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>> >>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>> >>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>> >>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>> >>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>> >>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>> >>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>> >>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>> >>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>> >>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>> >>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>> >>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>
>>> >>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>> >>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>> >>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>> >>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>> >>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>> >>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>> >>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>> >>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>> >>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>> >>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>> >>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>> >>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>> >>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>> >>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>
>>> >>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>> >>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>> >>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>> >>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>> >>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>> >>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>> >>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>> >>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>> >>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>> >>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>> >>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>> >>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>> >>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>> >>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>> >>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>> >>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>> >>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>> >>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>> >>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>> >>>>killings.
>>
>>> >>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>> >>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>> >>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>> >>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>> >>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>> >>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>> >>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>> >>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>> >>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>> >>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>> >>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>> >>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>> >>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>> >>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>> >>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>> >>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>
>>> >>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>> >>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>> >>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>> >>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>> >>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>> >>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>> >>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>> >>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>> >>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>> >>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>> >>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>> >>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>> >>>>back to their governments.
>>
>>> >>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>> >>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>> >>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>> >>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>> >>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>> >>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>> >>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>
>>> >>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>> >>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>> >>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>> >>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>> >>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>> >>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>> >>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>> >>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>> >>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>> >>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>> >>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>> >>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>> >>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>
>>> >>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>> >>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>> >>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>> >>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>> >>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>> >>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>> >>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>> >>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>> >>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>> >>>>decided.
>>
>>> >>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>> >>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>> >>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>> >>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>> >>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>> >>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>> >>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>> >>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>> >>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>> >>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>> >>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>> >>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>> >>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>
>>> >>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>> >>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>> >>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>> >>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>> >>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>> >>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>> >>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>> >>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>> >>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>> >>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>> >>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>> >>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>> >>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>> >>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>> >>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>> >>>>feeling.
>>
>>> >>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is
>>> >>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>> >>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>> >>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>> >>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>> >>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>> >>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>> >>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>> >>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>> >>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>
>>> >>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>> >>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>> >>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>> >>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>
>>> >>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>> >>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>> >>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>> >>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>
>>> >>>>++++++++++++++
>>
>>> >>>>American Renaissance
>>> >>>>http://www.amren.com
>>
>>> >>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>> >>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>
>>> >>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>> >>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>
>>> >>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>> >>>>http://www.14words.com
>>
>>> >>>>National Alliance
>>> >>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>
>>> >>>>Stormfront
>>> >>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>
>>> >>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>> >>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>> I like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, PAMYAT, HAMAS or Aryan Nations,etc.
>>
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>> Donald Ray Ellis
>> aka Pat Blakely/RevWhite/Mike Kalvatis/Rob Stewart ET AL
>> 108 E. Victory Street
>> Star City, Arkansas 71667
>> Tel: (870) 628-1437
>> Email: voiceofreason@blakely.harrogate.net
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> together with
>>
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
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>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>>
>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
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>>
>>
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>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
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>>
>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
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>> should give an indication as to the why.
>>
>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
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>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>>
>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
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>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>>
>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
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>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
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>>
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>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late 
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>>
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>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
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>> work:(780)492-0473
>>
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>>
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>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>>
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>> http://www.jewwatch.com
>>
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>>
>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
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>>
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>> for many years around the world.
>>
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Man muss wundern, wer hat $32 Millionen Geld, wenn es kein Plant gibt?
Ist $32 MILLIONEN  verschwunden?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:23:37 -0700, Ariadne 
wrote:

>In a half page headline story in the Edmonton Journal today in December, the
>report complains that even after more than 3 years, THERE IS STILL NOT EVEN
>THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE GEKO GARBAGE COMPUTER 
>RECYCLING PLANT IN EDMONTON,CANADA!!

>Because of the non-existence of the GEKO recycling plant, there is now 3235
>tonnes of computers piled at the site. This has caused criticism from the
>Electronic Recycling Corporation of Alberta, who recycle usable computers for
>charities. They see the waste of usable computers in the open air stockpiles,
>in mud and water because GEKO is not functioning, as being against the best
>interests of the public, and charities.

>Dieter Obergfell, of GEKO, explaining from Essen, , now claims that
>construction MIGHT start this August, 3 years later than originally proposed.

>From: Ken Levi 
>Newsgroups:
>de.soc.wirtschaft,de.soc.politik.misc,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.germany
>Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing Extra $28 MILLION?? WER
>PROFITIERT,Bundesfinanzamt?
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0700

>When GEKO claims that they will be spending more than 10 TIMES what
>the successful competitor MAXUS paid for their plant, and when MAXUS
>even paid for their land which GEKO will not, one has to ask, WHO IS
>GETTING THE EXTRA 28 MILLIONEN??

>Has Bundesfinanzamt approved the removal of the more than 30 millionen
>from Germany?

>Have the shareholders of GEKO been given all the facts regarding the
>disappearance of this money from their control?
>
>
>On 9 Nov 2004 00:39:27 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>(DanChristensen) wrote:
>
>>Here in Canada, people have another extremely interesting question, which manager of
>>GEKO Recycling Technologies Dieter Obergfell can not answer!!
>>WHY IS THE EDMONTON CANADA GARBAGE PROJECT FOR GEKO GOING TO COST 30 MILLIONEN,
>>since they do not have to pay for the land of 5 acres?
>
>>In the nearby community of Ryley, the competitor doing the same work,
>>MAXUS TECHNOLOGTY CORPORATION, paid under
>>$3 millionen, which included the cost for their land!!
>
>>WHO IS POCKETING THE EXTRA $27 MILLIONEN? WER PROFITIERT?
>
>
>>An interesting question for Deutsche Bundesfinanzamt - Did GEKO pay the taxes 
>>in Germany, on the 30 million they say they will spend/lose
>>in Edmonton, Canada?
>
>
>>A local paper in Edmonton,Canada is reporting that the firm GEKO, division of DiHAG/GEKO
>>is supposed to be spending $30 million for a computer recycling plant at the 
>>local garbage dump.
>
>>It is not clear why GEKO are building this overpriced facility.
>
>>For more than 3 years, a competitor, MAXUS Technology Corporation, has been in 
>>business in a nearby town.
>>MAXUS have also made contracts with communities throughout western Canada and 
>>also the USA, to have trainloads of computers and similar
>>materials available for processing, leaving next to no product for GEKO!!
>
>>Because GEKO did NOT build when they said they would, 2 years ago, the mayor 
>>was defeated in his bid for re- election this week!!
>
>
>>Subject: Germany Continues Boycott of Deadmonton
>>Date: 1999/07/25
>>Message-ID: <199907251430.QAA17273@mail.replay.com>#1/1
>>Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,soc.culture.german
>
>>The media report that no businesses from Germany bothered
>>to attend this year's Klondike Days in Deadmonton, (Edmonton)Canada
>
>>Even though GERMANY was the featured nation.
>
>>Could this perhaps have something to do with the snubbing
>>by Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH Smith, of the international trade
>>delegation from Germany, whom he REFUSED to meet?
>
>>Smith refused to meet with the large delegation of people from Berlin,
>>who had been scheduled by both the provincial government trade office,
>>as well as City Hall.
>
>>The trade delegation after being snubbed by Smith, then went on to
>>Calgary, where they were welcomed. They also did do considerable
>>business, in the pro-business city, unlike the welfare  dump of
>>Deadmonton.
>
>>This INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT was documented in detail in the
>>Edmonton Journal 3 times - 1 December 1995 on page B2,
>>on 12 January 1996 on page B3, and again on 28 March 1996 on page A14.
>
>>The media in Germany carried many articles, denouncing the
>>anti-German actions of Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH.
>
>>It seems that even though slick Willy squanders piles of
>>taxpayer dollars wining and dining and traipsing off to
>>Germany, the businesspeople there still remember him as
>>Burgermeister Arschloch.
>
>>That is why Deadmonton is still blackballed by thinking Germans.
>
>>Now, slick Willy is trying to con some Germans running GEKO to
>>build a recycling plant for computers, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THAT
>>THEY ARE TOO LATE!!
>
>>Another local firm MAXUS TECHNOLOGY INC. has built a multi-million dollar 
>>facility near Edmonton, already operating, to handle millions of tonnes of old computers from all over 
>>Canada and the USA!!
>
>>Are Germans so stupid as to believe a mayor, whose own business as
>>a used tire dealer went under?? Ask Michelin about B & D Tiretown,
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Does this mean, that in Britain as well as in Canada, the TRUTH is no
defence?

What ethnic minority is really controlling what one thinks, and what
one can believe, and what one is taught, and what one may read without
fear of prosecution?

Will Ellis be another vcictim like Irving, Zuendel, Rudolf and similar
around the world?


On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 06:37:52 +0000, Paul Hyett
 wrote:
>In uk.politics.misc on Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Chris X
> wrote :
>>
>>The problem is, as I have previously predicted -
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4838498.stm
>>
>>A lecturer who suggested ethnicity could influence average intelligence 
>>levels has been suspended from his job.
>>Dr Frank Ellis was suspended from his post as a lecturer at Leeds University 
>>pending disciplinary procedures.
>>
>>The university emphasised that the suspension was not itself a penalty but 
>>said it had been deemed appropriate given "the seriousness of the issues".
>>
>>>> Let's see how long the University stick to that line, shall we ?
>>
>>Well, well - it didn't take them long to go from saying that he was "free to 
>>hold and express his views despite what the protesters think" to suspending 
>>him - doubtless with a view to sacking him or forcing him to resign - due to 
>>the "seriousness of the issue".
>
>In other words, pressure from 'various sources'...
>
>It seems it's OK to point out differences in physical abilities between
>races, but not intellectual ones.



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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann

>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001

>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm

>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.

>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.

>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.

>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.

>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."

>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.

>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.

>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron

>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.

>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.

>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."

>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.

>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.

>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."

>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.

>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.

>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.

>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.

>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.

>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.

>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.

>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.

>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.

>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.

>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM

>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.

>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.

>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.

>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.

>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."

>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.

>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.

>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.

>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.

>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."



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At least there are some good people in Poland, prepared to condemn the
AIDS-spreading fags!!

If only their policies could be transferred to Britain, France and the
US and Canada!

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:27:00 GMT, NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote:
>For gays and lesbians, today's Poland like 1930s Germany
>
>Via NY Transfer News Collective  *  All the News that Doesn't Fit
> 
>The Irish Times - Mar 22, 2006
>http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2006/0322/1927956584FR22WARSAWLETTER.html
>
>'For gays and lesbians, today's Poland is like 1930s Germany' 
> 
>by Daniel McLaughlin: 
>
>He has been attacked by skinheads and threatened by police, but Szymon
>Niemiec can only see life in Poland getting even tougher. "For gays and
>lesbians, today's Poland is like 1930s Germany," he says. "We are ruled 
>by a fascist party, which uses the same language and ideas as Hitler."
>
>As a prominent gay rights campaigner, Mr Niemiec (25) has long been a
>target for extremist groups, but since the election of the Law and
>Justice party last autumn he has felt a new wave of prejudice coursing
>through deeply Catholic, conservative Poland.
>
>"The police even visited my home," he says, "and they told me they were
>ready to do what they did in 1985, when hundreds of gays and lesbians
>were rounded up and interrogated by the communist security services."
>
>Law and Justice (PiS) came to power promising to purge the European
>Union's largest new member of corruption, cronyism and disparities of
>wealth that have sent the Warsaw skyline soaring while the elderly
>struggle and unemployment nudges 20 per cent.
>
>Many however see a dark side to the party's "moral revolution" and the
>rhetoric of other social conservatives now challenging for power across
>central Europe.
>
>Human Rights Watch has accused President Lech Kaczynski of presiding
>over "official homophobia" in Poland, where as mayor of Warsaw he banned
>gay parades and said he was "not willing to meet perverts".
>
>His twin brother, Jaroslaw, the leader of PiS, has said gays should not
>teach in schools, while prime minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz has
>called homosexuality an "unnatural" thing that the state must prevent
>from "infecting" the general public.
>
>"These are Catholic fundamentalists," says Tomasz Szypula, of Poland's
>Campaign Against Homophobia. "They talk about total prohibition of
>abortion, and one of the first things they did after taking power was
>abolish the government office for gender equality, which dealt with all
>forms of prejudice here."
>
>It also helped fund many minority rights groups and was the kind of
>anti- discrimination body that the EU demands in all member states.
>Critics say its abolition exemplified the government's scorn for
>Brussels.
>
>"Some of the new EU members signed up to decrees to get into the EU but
>now treat them like an a la carte menu on which they can ignore what
>they don't like," says Michael Cashman, an English MEP.
>
>"This is part of a Catholic fundamentalism, aided and abetted by the
>image of the dead pope," he said, referring to Polish pontiff John Paul
>II, who died last April, "and they think that anyone who undermines
>their idea of the family should be denied fundamental rights."
>
>Events in Poland and moves to ban gay marriage in Latvia and Lithuania
>prompted the European Parliament to pass a resolution against homophobia
>in January. Only six of 54 Polish MEPs backed the motion, and many say
>the EU cannot hope to match the influence of the Catholic Church on
>Poland's new government.
>
>President Kaczynski's first foreign trip was to the Vatican, and
>government officials frequently give exclusive interviews to the print
>and broadcast media run by controversial Catholic priest Tadeusz Rydzyk.
>
>Through five decades of communist rule, the church survived as a symbol
>of resistance and Polish identity. Now, for millions of Poles struggling
>to adapt to free-market life, it is again the rallying point for a
>return to traditional, national values.
>
>"The EU is seen as a godless, atheist, immoral, liberal thing," says
>Marek Antoni Nowicki, the head of the Helsinki Foundation for Human
>Rights in Warsaw. "For Catholic societies like Poland's, that creates a
>psychological distance."
>
>This year's elections in Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic also
>look likely to favour right-wing eurosceptics with a streak of social
>conservatism.
>
>Slovakia's coalition government collapsed recently when its biggest
>party blocked a bill to give Catholics the right to refuse certain
>duties on religious grounds.
>
>Czech homosexuals lambasted their president for vetoing a law to extend
>the rights of same-sex partners, with a ruling that activist Jiri
>Hromada called "a tragic decision from a medieval monarch".
>
>Mr Cashman calls intolerance "a worrying trend in eastern Europe". "We
>mustn't let a shift to more right-wing governments undermine the rights
>of minorities, or let people use hate-speak to appeal to voters."
>
>The rhetoric of intolerance rarely spawns violence in Poland, but Mr
>Nowicki sees danger in recent government attacks on the independent
>media and judiciary.
>
>"It is not about the government passing certain laws, but creating a
>certain atmosphere," he says. "Safeguards exist, and we have to prevent
>their erosion. If they want a war then it has at least one positive
>aspect - that there are many people here ready to fight them."
>
>© The Irish Times  
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The zionazi ZYDS do not like to be reminded of this!

Evean fat Hermann Goering used jews in his home and in the Luftwaffe.

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:15:15 GMT, "amigo  cabal"
 wrote:

>Germans of Jewish Descent Who Served Hitler

>Possibly one of the most damning indictments of the allegations surrounding 
>the Holocaust and Nazi racial policy, come in an analysis of Germans of part 
>Jewish descent who were not only ardent Nazis but who faithfully served the 
>Nazi state at all levels in its military structure. For if the Nazi state 
>had, as is so often claimed, been hell bent on killing all traces of Jews, 
>it would never have allowed these individuals into positions which they did 
>hold - including army and air force generals.

>As discussed earlier, the Nazi racial laws made specific allowances for such 
>exceptions, and in fact actively sought to assimilate partial Jews into 
>German society, rather than have them re-congregate and form pure Jewish 
>gene pools once again. From the Nazi side, there was therefore no 
>contradiction between the assimilation of part Jews into German society, 
>although this policy is subject to considerable misunderstanding from 
>outside observers.

>As discussed in the book by American Military University professor Bryan 
>Mark Rigg in his book "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers, The Untold Story of Nazi 
>Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military" (University 
>Press of Kansas, Modern War Studies, May 2002) as many as 150,000 men of 
>part Jewish descent, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, 
>even generals and admirals, fought for Nazi Germany right to the bitter end.

>Almost all of these 150,000 men received special exemptions and declarations 
>of being "true Germans", many of these orders being signed by Adolf Hitler 
>himself, in a legal provision known as the Deutschblütigkeitserklärung (or 
>literally, the Declaration of German Blood).

>Above: photographs of Wehrmacht soldier and half-Jew Anton Mayer, typical of 
>those which accompanied an application for exemption under the Nazis' racial 
>laws.

>Above left: Quarter-Jew Admiral Bernhard Rogge wearing his Knight's Cross 
>(Ritterkreuz) with oak leaves. Above right: Adolf Hitler personally declared 
>Luftwaffe Field Marshall Erhard Milch (standing left) as  an Aryan, even 
>though Milch was half-Jewish. To Milch's right, General Wolfram von 
>Richthofen.

>Above right: Half-Jew Luftwaffe General Helmut Wilberg; above right: The 
>military service book of half-Jew Hermann Aub.

>Above left: World War One veteran and half-Jew, General Johannes Zukertort; 
>and above right: Half-Jew Commander Paul Ascher, Admiral Lütjens's first 
>staff officer on the battleship Bismarck.

>Above left: Half-Jew Colonel Walter H. Hollaender, decorated with the 
>Knight's Cross (Ritterkreuz) and German-Cross in Gold; and above right: 
>Half-Jew Wehrmacht soldier Werner Goldberg.

>"KNOWING THE NAZI STATE FOR WHAT IT WAS"

>The significance of these Germans of Jewish descent serving the Third Reich 
>has not been lost on the academic world: for example, the following quote 
>from historian John Keegan in his review of Bryan Mark Rigg's book:
>
>"The revelation that Germans of Jewish blood, knowing the Nazi regime for 
>what it was, served Hitler as uniformed members of his armed forces must 
>come as a profound shock. It will surprise even professional historians of 
>the Nazi years."  - John Keegan, author of The Face of Battle and The Second 
>World War,  (http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html)

>Keegan is of course, mistaken in the one sense, in that even a cursory study 
>of Nazi racial laws will have revealed that the Blood Protection Law of 1935 
>make specific allowances for such cases, and only the general hysteria and 
>ignorance of what the Nazis actually said and did has allowed people to be 
>"shocked" by the large number of part Jews serving the Reich.

>The phrase "knowing the Nazi regime for what it was" above by Keegan, is 
>however the real significant part: for indeed, if the Nazis had been mass 
>murdering, gassing and burning millions of Jews, it is extremely unlikely 
>that these 150,000 prominent Germans of part Jewish descent, would have 
>served the Reich at all, never mind having made specific application to be 
>granted full Aryan status - especially given that there were only 
>approximately 600,000 full blooded Jews in Nazi Germany.




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When your wife, daughter or girlfriend is sold into sex slavery for
the ZYDS, then perhaps you might have some compassions!!

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:53:59 -0400, Vladimir Makarenko
 wrote:

>According to number of times you posted it here there left no Christian
>girls to sell. And we Christians don't give a damn about girls of other
>confessions. 
>Could you please switch to some alt.business?
>VM.

>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:35 -0700, Susan Shiksa Cohen
>>  wrote:

>> Russian girls who are beautiful, as well as Polish and Ukrainian
>> girls, are all sold on the open slave markets in ZHID Israel, where
>> white slavery is legal.

>> >On 25 Oct 2004 11:21:36 -0000, DerTavish 
>> >wrote:

>> >>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>> >>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>> >>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>> >>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>> >>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, finally dying as a diseased
>> >>AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>> >>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>> >>Here is the latest.......

>> >>From: Rameses 
>> >>Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian
>> >>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:40:57 -0700
 
>> >>The June 16 Saturday supplement to the Jerusalem Post reported:

>> >>"Every year hundreds of women, and an unknown number of
>> >>girls under the age of 18, are bought, sold, drugged,
>> >>imprisoned, and forced to work as prostitutes in Israel's
>> >>thriving sex industry.
 
>> >>In countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary,
>> >>traffickers prey on desperate women. Facing poverty, the
>> >>women are lured to Israel with the promise that they will
>> >>make fabulous salaries working as teachers or caregivers.

>> >>In Israel prostitution is not illegal. Nor is there
>> >>legislation against trafficking or slavery".

>> >>With the governments of eastern Europe controlled by the
>> >>evil mafia bosses that profit from this trade, don't
>> >>expect anything to be done about this sickening crime
>> >>against humanity.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
 
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant


>> Posted by:
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576

>> together with
 
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473

>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>     Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>     Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
 
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.

>> Reply-To: "George" 



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Regrettably, all the news reports are correct and TRUE.

Police brutality in Edmonton is so rampant, the Edmonton Journal
newspaper, as well as the TV stations hardly have a day pass, without
yet another expose of more police brutality!!

The media need not fabricate the stories, since the Courts carry the
charges!!

Your comments seem to be along the line of "shoot the messenger of bad
news!"

By the way, reference to Calgary merely confirms the truth, that
Calgary does not have the same problem with crooked cops!
In other words a great place to visit, unlike the cesspool of
Edmonton.


On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 05:01:38 GMT, "Alohacyberian"
 wrote:
>"Alan Pollock"  wrote in message 
>news:e99ivp$mvk$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> In rec.travel.usa-canada Alohacyberian  wrote:
>>
>>> The comments are so strident that I take them with a grain of salt.  If 
>>> they  were toned down serious people might take them more seriously.  KM
>>
>> It's easy to take some factual basis remote or not, fondle, spin and 
>> expand  into impressions designed to make the vulnerable believe a truth that just
>> doesn't exist.
>>
>> An example - albeit a touch more subtle but not by much - is Michael 
>> Moore's  "documentary" in effect a mockumentary called Farenheit 9-11.
>>
>> I must honestly add that I haven't researched Edmonton because quite 
>> frankly I  could care less. However the hate-posts here have had the opposite of 
>> their  intended effect on me.
>>
>> Edmonton's quite possibly a very good place to visit.
>>
>> Anybody who uses techniques like that of the posters is unworthy of my
>> respect, so in my book Edmonton's still a virgin, at the very least.
>>
>> The haters keep putting ketchup on the eggs of their own undoing. Nex
>>
>I have a friend who lives in Ontario and travels to Calgary, Alberta once a 
>year.  I asked him if he ever goes to Edmonton and he said that he'd been 
>there a few times and hadn't heard anything bad about it.  He was unaware of 
>the flap we've read here.  I, too will probably never go to Edmonton, 
>especially as long as Banff and Lake Louise are alternatives.  So yes, your 
>comparison of the shrill conjectures about Edmonton in this forum to Michael 
>Moore's schlockumentaries do seem apropos.  KM



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On Sun, 20 August 2006  08:54:37 -0700, Ken
McVaySOBC wrote:

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.

Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!


>On 14 Dec 2004 01:31:59 GMT, COL. RSJ 
>wrote:
>>After reading this all I have to say "bullshit" No way would such a
>>thing been kept secret for all these years. 

>>Sounds like Nazi Germany trying to smooth out their wrong doings.


>>>On 13 Dec 2004 01:34:52 -0800, "Schorsch"  wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article <1102789129.632939.294380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>> >Allied Plans for the Annihilation of the German People
>> >Measures for the Devastation of the Heart of Europe

>>> Was there some point you wished to make?

>>>Perhaps the Scheissedreck Shabbasgoy McVay wanted to further repost
>>>the following article...

>>>Subject: Es Stimmt-Ike's Death Camps for Germans!!
>>>
>>>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>>>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting 
>>>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still 
>>>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the 
>>>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>>>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all 
>>>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>>>Here is the latest.......

>>>From: cmsahe@excite.com (Carlos cmsahe)
>>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.palestine,soc.culture.europe
>>>Subject: "Ike"'s Death camps
>>>Date: 18 Feb 2002 07:43:47 -0800

>>>A U.S. PRISON GUARD AT ONE OF "IKE'S DEATH CAMPS"

>>>By Martin Brech

>>>FORTY-FIVE years ago, I witnessed an atrocity: the deliberate
>>>starvation of German POWs by our own army. History, written by the
>>>victors, suppressed all news of this atrocity until James Bacque, a
>>>Canadian author, published his brilliant expose, OTHER LOSSES. This
>>>book is a best seller in Canada, a sensation in Europe, yet is
>>>virtually unavailable (censored?) in the U.S. Our major booksellers
>>>told me their distributors are not handling it. When I prevailed upon
>>>a small, independent bookstore to order direct from Canada, the
>>>publisher told them they would be the only store in New York State to
>>>carry the book. This in 'the land of the free'?"

>>>Fortunately, Pat Buchanan called attention to OTHER LOSSES in his
>>>January 10, 1990 column. He wrote:

>>>"Conclusion: the U.S. Army killed ten times as many Germans in POW
>>>camps as we did on battlefields from Normandy to V.E. day. (German
>>>POWs) had their rations cut below survival level until they were dying
>>>at rates up to 30% of exposure, starvation and neglect... Red Cross
>>>food trains were turned back and U.S. food shipments sat on the
>>>docks...One French officer said the U.S. camps reminded him of Dachau
>>>and Buchenwald...The book blames Eisenhower. 'The German is a beast,'
>>>Ike had written...But that was not how the Canadians and British felt,
>>>who treated their prisoners justly...It was not the view of General
>>>Mark Clark, nor of Patton...Ignoring the book is not enough."
>>>Pat Buchanan's courageous column inspired me to help end the cover-up
>>>of the atrocity I had witnessed. I wrote letters to several newspapers
>>>which were, of necessity, short and incomplete. Now I would like to
>>>finally free more of my painful memories, hoping to be heard, so that
>>>this will help us to acknowledge our share in the "banality of evil",
>>>cleansing ourselves with the truth. Perhaps we as a nation may then
>>>put this behind us with some integrity and with some hope for
>>>redemption.

>>>In October 1944, at age eighteen, I was drafted into the army while a
>>>student at the NYS College of Forestry. Largely due to the "Battle of
>>>the Bulge", my training was cut short, my furlough cut in half, and I
>>>was then immediately sent overseas. Upon arrival in Le Havre, France,
>>>we were quickly loaded into boxcars and shipped to the front. By the
>>>time we reached it, I had developed mononucleosis severely enough to
>>>be sent to a hospital in Belgium.

>>>By the time I left the hospital, the unit I had trained with in
>>>Spartenburg, South Carolina was so deeply into Germany that I warn
>>>placed in a "repo depo" (a replacement depot) despite my protests. I
>>>then lost interest in which units I was assigned to because non-combat
>>>units were generally not respected. My separation qualification record
>>>states that I served mostly with the 14th Infantry Regiment, during
>>>which time I guarded prisoners of war and served as an interpreter.
>>>During my seventeen month stay in Germany, I was transferred to other
>>>outfits also.

>>>In late March or early April 1945, I was assigned to help guard a POW
>>>camp near Andernach along the Rhine. I had four years of high school
>>>German, so I was able to talk to the prisoners, although this was
>>>forbidden.

>>>Gradually, however, I was used as an interpreter and asked to ferret
>>>out the S.S. (I found none.)

>>>In Andernach, between 50,000 and 65,000 prisoners, ranging in age from
>>>very young teens to very old men, were crowded together in an open
>>>field surrounded by barbed wire. The women were kept in a separate
>>>enclosure which I did not see until later. The men I guarded had no
>>>tents or other shelter, no blankets and many had no coats. Inadequate
>>>numbers of slit trenches were provided for excrement, and so the men
>>>lived and slept in the mud and increasing filth during a cold, wet
>>>spring. Their misery from exposure alone was evident.

>>>It was even more shocking to see them eating grass, sometimes throwing
>>>it into a tin can containing a thin soup. They told me they did this
>>>hoping to ease their hunger pains. Soon their emaciation was evident.
>>>Dysentery raged and, too weak and crowded to reach the slit trenches,
>>>they were increasingly sleeping in excrement. I saw no sign of
>>>provision for water, so the thin soup was their food and water for the
>>>day. Some days there was bread, less than a slice each. Other days
>>>there was nothing.

>>>The sight of so many men desperate for food and water, sickening and
>>>dying before our eyes, is indescribable. Even now, I can only think of
>>>it momentarily.

>>>We had ample food and supplies that could have been shared more
>>>humanely, and we could have offered some medical assistance, but did
>>>nothing. Only the dead were quickly and efficiently taken care of:
>>>hauled away to mass graves.

>>>My outrage reached the point that I protested to my officers, but I
>>>was met with hostility or bland indifference. When pressed, they
>>>explained they were under strict orders from "higher up". No officer
>>>would dare to systematically do this to over 50,000 prisoners if he
>>>felt he was violating general policy and subject to court martial. The
>>>term "war criminal" was just beginning to come into fashion.

>>>Realizing my protests were useless, I asked a friend working in the
>>>kitchen if he could slip me some extra food for the prisoners. He too
>>>repeated that they were under strict orders to severely ration the
>>>prisoners' food, and that these orders came from "higher up". But he
>>>said they had more food than they knew what to do with and would sneak
>>>me some.

>>>When I threw this food over the barbed wires to the prisoners I was
>>>caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the "offense", and
>>>one officer threatened to shoot me. I naturally assumed this was a
>>>bluff, but I began to have some doubts after I encountered a captain
>>>on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian
>>>women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, "Why?" he mumbled,
>>>"Target practice," and fired until his pistol was empty. I saw the
>>>women running for cover, but, at that distance, couldn't tell if any
>>>had been hit.

>>>This is when I more fully realized I was dealing with some
>>>cold-blooded killers filled with moralistic hatred. They considered
>>>the Germans sub-human and worthy of extermination; another expression
>>>of the downward spiral of racism. Articles in the G.I. newspaper,
>>>Stars & Stripes, played up the Nazi concentration camps, complete with
>>>photographs of emaciated bodies; this amplified our self-righteous
>>>cruelty and made it easier to imitate behavior we were supposed to
>>>oppose. Also, I think, soldiers not exposed to combat were trying to
>>>prove how tough they were by taking it out on the prisoners and
>>>civilians. At least, many combat soldiers told me later they would not
>>>have tolerated this, for they combined hatred with respect for a
>>>courageous enemy.

>>>The prisoners I spoke to were mostly simple farmers and workingmen, as
>>>ignorant, albeit nationalistic, as many of our own troops. I heard
>>>many versions of "my country, right or wrong, my country," which we
>>>still hear in our own country today.

>>>As time went on, many of them lapsed into a Zombie-like state of
>>>listlessness. Others, maddened by thirst, tried to escape in a
>>>desperate or suicidal fashion, running through open fields in broad
>>>daylight towards the Rhine to quench their thirst. They were mowed
>>>down.

>>>Some prisoners were extremely eager for cigarettes, saying they took
>>>the edge off their hunger. Accordingly, some enterprising G.I. "Yankee
>>>traders" were acquiring hordes of wrist watches and rings in exchange
>>>for handfuls of cigarettes or less. When I began throwing cartons of
>>>cigar-ettes to the prisoners to ruin this trade, I found myself
>>>threatened by rank-and-file G.I.s also. At least this taught me an
>>>indelible lesson: how wrong majorities and authorities can be.

>>>A bright spot in this gloomy picture came, oddly enough, one night
>>>when I was put on the "graveyard shift", from two to four A.M.
>>>Actually, there was a graveyard on the uphill side of this enclosure,
>>>not many yards away. My superiors had forgotten to give me a
>>>flashlight and I hadn't bothered to ask, being disgusted with the
>>>whole situation by that time. It was a fairly bright night and I soon
>>>became aware of a prisoner crawling under the wires to the graveyard.
>>>We were supposed to shoot escapees on sight, so I started to get up to
>>>warn him to get back. Suddenly I noticed another prisoner crawling
>>>from the graveyard back to the enclosure. They were risking their
>>>lives to get to the graveyard for something; I had to investigate.

>>>When I entered the gloom of this shrubby, tree-shaded cemetery, I
>>>never felt more vulnerable, but somehow curiosity kept me going.
>>>Despite my caution, I tripped over the legs of someone in a prone
>>>position. Whipping my rifle around while stumbling and trying to
>>>regain composure of mind and body, I soon was relieved I hadn't
>>>reflexively fired. The figure sat up, moving erratically. Gradually I
>>>could see the beautiful but terror-stricken face of a woman with a
>>>picnic basket nearby. German civilians were not allowed to feed, nor
>>>even come near, the prisoners, so I quickly assured her I approved of
>>>what she was doing, not to be afraid, and that I would leave the
>>>graveyard to get out of the way, telling no one.

>>>I left the graveyard as quickly as possible and sat down, leaning
>>>against a tree at the edge CF the cemetary to be inconspicuous and not
>>>frighten the prisoners. I imagined then, and often since, what it
>>>would be like to be a prisoner under those conditions and meet a
>>>beautiful woman with a picnic basket. I never saw her again, but I
>>>have never forgotten her face.

>>>While I watched, more prisoners crawled to and from the enclosure. I
>>>saw they were dragging food back to their comrades and could only
>>>admire their courage and devotion. As I walked back to my quarters at
>>>the end of my shift, a nightingale and I were singing -- both felt a
>>>touch of spring.

>>>(I originally did not intend to reveal the following incident, for it
>>>moves into a realm termed "mystical". However, for me, it was an
>>>extremely significant experience, changing my life, providing a light
>>>no darkness can extinguish. It must be told, hoping it will foster
>>>understanding.)

>>>On May 8, V.E. day, I decided to celebrate with some prisoners I was
>>>guarding who were baking bread, meager amounts of which the other
>>>prisoners occasionally received. This group had all the bread they
>>>could eat, and shared the jovial mood generated by the end of the war.
>>>We all thought we would be going home soon, a pathetic hope on their
>>>part. We were in what was to become the French zone, and I later
>>>witnessed the brutality of the French soldiers when we transferred our
>>>prisoners to them for their slave labor camps (see below).

>>>However, on this day we were happy.

>>>After chatting with them about the potentials of peace for the rest of
>>>our lives, I decided to risk a gesture of trust that objectively would
>>>seem foolish. I emptied my rifle and stood it in the corner. They
>>>tested me further by asking to play with it, and I agreed. Intuitively
>>>I felt I could rely on their sense of honor not to attack me, for they
>>>knew they too were being tested. This thoroughly 'broke the ice', and
>>>soon we were singing songs we taught each other or I had learned in
>>>high school German ("Du, du, liegst mir im Herzen"). Out of gratitude,
>>>they secretly baked a small sweet bread and insisted I take it,
>>>explaining it was the only possible gift they had left to offer.
>>>Expressing my gratitude with a lump in my throat, I put it in my tight
>>>"Eisenhower jacket" so I could sneak it back to my barracks. I later
>>>found an opportunity to eat it outside.

>>>Never had bread tasted more delicious, nor conveyed to me a deeper
>>>sense of communion while eating it. A wonderful feeling pervaded me,
>>>gently opening me to an intimation of the Oneness of all Being.
>>>Through those prisoners I sensed the ~cosmic presence of what has been
>>>called the Christ, Buddha-nature, or, perhaps most aptly, the
>>>Ineffable: cosmically present, but hidden and apparently separate,
>>>until revealed in the wholeness of the giving of the self. Even within
>>>the horror humans had created, I was taught a path to redemption may
>>>open by taking a first, tentative step in the direction of love,
>>>understanding and forgiveness. This above all the prisoners taught me:
>>>not only are we all potentially humane humans, there is divinity
>>>within us waiting for us to dissolve the defensive shield of ego. I
>>>was pleased to discover later the words of Matthew 25:34-46,
>>>expressing the potential within prisoners and all who are at our
>>>mercy.

>>>Shortly after this experience I was plunged into even greater horror.
>>>Some of our weak and sickly prisoners were being marched off by French
>>>soldiers to their camp. The truck we were on first passed another
>>>truck picking up bodies along the side of the road, and then came up
>>>behind a slowly moving column of men. Temporarily we slowed down and
>>>remained behind, perhaps because the driver was as shocked as I was.
>>>The French soldiers were apparently incensed at the poor condition of
>>>our prisoners, not only for labor but for marching to another camp.
>>>Whenever a prisoner staggered or dropped back, the French clubbed him
>>>to death and then dragged him to the side of the road. For many, this
>>>quick death might have been preferable to their prolonged suffering.
>>>Even gas would have been more merciful than our murder by neglect in
>>>our slow 'killing fields'.

>>>When I saw the German women held in a separate enclosure, I asked why
>>>we were keeping them. I was told they were "camp followers", selected
>>>as breeding stock for the S.S. to create a super-race. We provided
>>>them with tents but they were extremely hungry. I spoke to some and
>>>must say they were still spirited and attractive. However, I believe I
>>>was objective enough when I told all concerned that I didn't think
>>>they deserved our treatment.

>>>As an interpreter, I was able to prevent some particularly unfortunate
>>>arrests. One somewhat amusing incident occurred during a pre-dawn raid
>>>we conducted on a town to discover Nazis or arms. An old farmer was
>>>being dragged away by some soldiers. I was told he had a "fancy Nazi
>>>medal", which they showed to me. Fortunately, I had a chart
>>>identifying such medals. He had been awarded it for having five or
>>>more children! Perhaps his wife was somewhat relieved to get him "off
>>>her back", but I didn't think one of our 'death camps' was a fair
>>>punishment for his contribution to Germany. The soldiers agreed and
>>>released him to continue his "dirty work".

>>>Famine was spreading amongst German civilians also. It was a common
>>>sight to see German women up to their elbows in our garbage cans
>>>looking for something edible -- that is, when they weren't chased
>>>away.

>>>When I interviewed mayors of small towns and villages, I was told
>>>their supply of food had been taken away by "displaced persons"
>>>(foreigners who had worked in Germany), who packed the food on trucks
>>>and drove away. When I reported this, the response was a shrug or an
>>>expression of helplessness.

>>>Although the Red Cross coffee and doughnut stands were available
>>>everywhere for us, I never saw any Red Cross in the prison camps or
>>>helping the civilians. While my girlfriend had all the "contraband"
>>>doughnuts she could eat, most Germans had to share their meager hidden
>>>stores and wait until the next harvest.

>>>This hunger undoubtedly made many German women more "available", but,
>>>despite this, rape was incredibly prevalent and often accompanied by
>>>additional violence. I particularly remember a charming eighteen year
>>>old girl who had several unsuccessful suitors and was "just friends"
>>>with me, who had the side of her face smashed with a rifle butt and
>>>was then raped by two G.I.s. The casual shooting of German civilians
>>>also continued, usually by drunken soldiers who would tell of this as
>>>something amusing. All too many G.I.s gave the impression they were
>>>1ike animals released from cages, free to do what they liked because
>>>they were dealing with yet a lower species of animal, a reverse
>>>racism, inflamed by our propaganda. However, even the French
>>>complained to me that our rape and drunken destructive behavior in
>>>their country was excessive. When we had arrived in Le Havre, we had
>>>been given booklets instructing us that the Germans had maintained a
>>>high standard of behavior with French civilians who were peaceful, and
>>>that we should do the same. In this we failed miserably.

>>>So what? we might still say. The enemies' atrocities were worse than
>>>ours. Certainly my experiences were only of the last phases of the
>>>war, when we were already clearly the victors. The Nazi opportunity
>>>for atrocities had faded and ours was unleashed. But we might have
>>>learned the simple lesson that two wrongs do not make a right. Perhaps
>>>we might even have broken the cycle of vengeful retaliation and
>>>unbridled hatred, fed by racism, that has plagued human history and
>>>blighted human potential all to long. Instead, we committed our own
>>>atrocities and now are clinging to a cover-up. That is why I am
>>>speaking out now, forty-five years after the crime. We can never
>>>prevent individual war crimes, but we can, if enough of us speak out,
>>>influence government policy. We can reject government propaganda that
>>>depicts our enemies as subhuman and encourages the kinds of outrages I
>>>witnessed. We can protest the bombing of civilian targets, which still
>>>goes on today. (I will never forget the sickly sweet smell of rotting
>>>human flesh rising from the shattered remains of the cities and towns
>>>I entered.) And we can refuse ever to condone our government' s murder
>>>of unarmed and defeated prisoners of war.

>>>I realized it's difficult to admit witnessing a crime of this
>>>magnitude, especially if implicated oneself. Even G.I .s sympathetic
>>>to the victims told me they were afraid to oppose so massive a policy
>>>that would surely seek to cover its tracks. I never heard this
>>>directly from an officer, but it was the belief of the rank-and-file
>>>G.I.s I spoke to that we were not to "talk" because, first, no one
>>>would believe us, and second, we would surely get into trouble. They
>>>all insisted it was better not to talk, and slowly I too realized it
>>>would be futile and dangerous. That is, until now, thanks to James
>>>Bacque and Pat Buchanan. This is not to say the danger has passed.
>>>Since I "spoke out" recently, my mailbox has been smashed and I have
>>>received threatening phone calls. But I believe it is worth the risk.
>>>Writing about these atrocities has been a catharsis of feelings
>>>suppressed too long, a liberation, and perhaps will remind other
>>>witnesses and citizens -that "the truth shall make us free, have no
>>>fear." And, in any case, "the truth shall out".

>>>We may even learn a supreme lesson from all this: Hate is
>>>self-destructive; only love can conquer and evolve all as One.

>>>Martin Brech
>>>(Adjunct Professor,
>>>Philosophy & Religion,
>>>Mercy College;
>>>Ex-G.I., Finally Free)
>>>Martin Brech, 187 Archer Road, Mahopac, NY 10541, Tel.: 914-628-6301

>>>James Bacque: Did the Allies starve millions of Germans?


>>On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:32:30 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>> wrote:
>>>On 13 Dec 2004 01:34:52 -0800, "Schorsch"  wrote:
>>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>>>> In article <1102789129.632939.294380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>>>>> >Allied Plans for the Annihilation of the German People
>>>>> >Measures for the Devastation of the Heart of Europe

>>>>> Was there some point you wished to make?

>>>>Was there one you wished to make?

>>>Perhaps the Scheissedreck Shabbasgoy McVay wanted to further repost
>>>the following article...

>>>Subject: Es Stimmt-Ike's Death Camps for Germans!!

>>>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>>>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting 
>>>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still 
>>>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the 
>>>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>>>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all 
>>>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>>>Here is the latest.......

>>>From: cmsahe@excite.com (Carlos cmsahe)
>>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.palestine,soc.culture.europe
>>>Subject: "Ike"'s Death camps
>>>Date: 18 Feb 2002 07:43:47 -0800

>>>A U.S. PRISON GUARD AT ONE OF "IKE'S DEATH CAMPS"

>>>By Martin Brech

>>>Martin Brech
>>>(Adjunct Professor,
>>>Philosophy & Religion,
>>>Mercy College;
>>>Ex-G.I., Finally Free)
>>>Martin Brech, 187 Archer Road, Mahopac, NY 10541, Tel.: 914-628-6301

>>>James Bacque: Did the Allies starve millions of Germans?


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together with

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CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
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#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
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or call: 1-250-616-9431

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"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
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In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.



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On Sun, 20 August 2006  08:54:37 -0700, Ken
McVaySOBC wrote:

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.

Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!


>>>On 13 Dec 2004 01:34:52 -0800, "Schorsch"  wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article <1102789129.632939.294380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>> >Allied Plans for the Annihilation of the German People
>> >Measures for the Devastation of the Heart of Europe

>>> Was there some point you wished to make?

>>>Perhaps the Scheissedreck Shabbasgoy McVay wanted to further repost
>>>the following article...

>>>Subject: Es Stimmt-Ike's Death Camps for Germans!!

>>>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>>>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting 
>>>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still 
>>>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the 
>>>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>>>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all 
>>>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>>>Here is the latest.......

>>>From: cmsahe@excite.com (Carlos cmsahe)
>>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.palestine,soc.culture.europe
>>>Subject: "Ike"'s Death camps
>>>Date: 18 Feb 2002 07:43:47 -0800

>>>A U.S. PRISON GUARD AT ONE OF "IKE'S DEATH CAMPS"

>>>By Martin Brech

>>>FORTY-FIVE years ago, I witnessed an atrocity: the deliberate
>>>starvation of German POWs by our own army. History, written by the
>>>victors, suppressed all news of this atrocity until James Bacque, a
>>>Canadian author, published his brilliant expose, OTHER LOSSES. This
>>>book is a best seller in Canada, a sensation in Europe, yet is
>>>virtually unavailable (censored?) in the U.S. Our major booksellers
>>>told me their distributors are not handling it. When I prevailed upon
>>>a small, independent bookstore to order direct from Canada, the
>>>publisher told them they would be the only store in New York State to
>>>carry the book. This in 'the land of the free'?"

>>>Fortunately, Pat Buchanan called attention to OTHER LOSSES in his
>>>January 10, 1990 column. He wrote:

>>>"Conclusion: the U.S. Army killed ten times as many Germans in POW
>>>camps as we did on battlefields from Normandy to V.E. day. (German
>>>POWs) had their rations cut below survival level until they were dying
>>>at rates up to 30% of exposure, starvation and neglect... Red Cross
>>>food trains were turned back and U.S. food shipments sat on the
>>>docks...One French officer said the U.S. camps reminded him of Dachau
>>>and Buchenwald...The book blames Eisenhower. 'The German is a beast,'
>>>Ike had written...But that was not how the Canadians and British felt,
>>>who treated their prisoners justly...It was not the view of General
>>>Mark Clark, nor of Patton...Ignoring the book is not enough."
>>>Pat Buchanan's courageous column inspired me to help end the cover-up
>>>of the atrocity I had witnessed. I wrote letters to several newspapers
>>>which were, of necessity, short and incomplete. Now I would like to
>>>finally free more of my painful memories, hoping to be heard, so that
>>>this will help us to acknowledge our share in the "banality of evil",
>>>cleansing ourselves with the truth. Perhaps we as a nation may then
>>>put this behind us with some integrity and with some hope for
>>>redemption.

>>>In October 1944, at age eighteen, I was drafted into the army while a
>>>student at the NYS College of Forestry. Largely due to the "Battle of
>>>the Bulge", my training was cut short, my furlough cut in half, and I
>>>was then immediately sent overseas. Upon arrival in Le Havre, France,
>>>we were quickly loaded into boxcars and shipped to the front. By the
>>>time we reached it, I had developed mononucleosis severely enough to
>>>be sent to a hospital in Belgium.

>>>By the time I left the hospital, the unit I had trained with in
>>>Spartenburg, South Carolina was so deeply into Germany that I warn
>>>placed in a "repo depo" (a replacement depot) despite my protests. I
>>>then lost interest in which units I was assigned to because non-combat
>>>units were generally not respected. My separation qualification record
>>>states that I served mostly with the 14th Infantry Regiment, during
>>>which time I guarded prisoners of war and served as an interpreter.
>>>During my seventeen month stay in Germany, I was transferred to other
>>>outfits also.

>>>In late March or early April 1945, I was assigned to help guard a POW
>>>camp near Andernach along the Rhine. I had four years of high school
>>>German, so I was able to talk to the prisoners, although this was
>>>forbidden.

>>>Gradually, however, I was used as an interpreter and asked to ferret
>>>out the S.S. (I found none.)

>>>In Andernach, between 50,000 and 65,000 prisoners, ranging in age from
>>>very young teens to very old men, were crowded together in an open
>>>field surrounded by barbed wire. The women were kept in a separate
>>>enclosure which I did not see until later. The men I guarded had no
>>>tents or other shelter, no blankets and many had no coats. Inadequate
>>>numbers of slit trenches were provided for excrement, and so the men
>>>lived and slept in the mud and increasing filth during a cold, wet
>>>spring. Their misery from exposure alone was evident.

>>>It was even more shocking to see them eating grass, sometimes throwing
>>>it into a tin can containing a thin soup. They told me they did this
>>>hoping to ease their hunger pains. Soon their emaciation was evident.
>>>Dysentery raged and, too weak and crowded to reach the slit trenches,
>>>they were increasingly sleeping in excrement. I saw no sign of
>>>provision for water, so the thin soup was their food and water for the
>>>day. Some days there was bread, less than a slice each. Other days
>>>there was nothing.

>>>The sight of so many men desperate for food and water, sickening and
>>>dying before our eyes, is indescribable. Even now, I can only think of
>>>it momentarily.

>>>We had ample food and supplies that could have been shared more
>>>humanely, and we could have offered some medical assistance, but did
>>>nothing. Only the dead were quickly and efficiently taken care of:
>>>hauled away to mass graves.

>>>My outrage reached the point that I protested to my officers, but I
>>>was met with hostility or bland indifference. When pressed, they
>>>explained they were under strict orders from "higher up". No officer
>>>would dare to systematically do this to over 50,000 prisoners if he
>>>felt he was violating general policy and subject to court martial. The
>>>term "war criminal" was just beginning to come into fashion.

>>>Realizing my protests were useless, I asked a friend working in the
>>>kitchen if he could slip me some extra food for the prisoners. He too
>>>repeated that they were under strict orders to severely ration the
>>>prisoners' food, and that these orders came from "higher up". But he
>>>said they had more food than they knew what to do with and would sneak
>>>me some.

>>>When I threw this food over the barbed wires to the prisoners I was
>>>caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the "offense", and
>>>one officer threatened to shoot me. I naturally assumed this was a
>>>bluff, but I began to have some doubts after I encountered a captain
>>>on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian
>>>women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, "Why?" he mumbled,
>>>"Target practice," and fired until his pistol was empty. I saw the
>>>women running for cover, but, at that distance, couldn't tell if any
>>>had been hit.

>>>This is when I more fully realized I was dealing with some
>>>cold-blooded killers filled with moralistic hatred. They considered
>>>the Germans sub-human and worthy of extermination; another expression
>>>of the downward spiral of racism. Articles in the G.I. newspaper,
>>>Stars & Stripes, played up the Nazi concentration camps, complete with
>>>photographs of emaciated bodies; this amplified our self-righteous
>>>cruelty and made it easier to imitate behavior we were supposed to
>>>oppose. Also, I think, soldiers not exposed to combat were trying to
>>>prove how tough they were by taking it out on the prisoners and
>>>civilians. At least, many combat soldiers told me later they would not
>>>have tolerated this, for they combined hatred with respect for a
>>>courageous enemy.

>>>The prisoners I spoke to were mostly simple farmers and workingmen, as
>>>ignorant, albeit nationalistic, as many of our own troops. I heard
>>>many versions of "my country, right or wrong, my country," which we
>>>still hear in our own country today.

>>>As time went on, many of them lapsed into a Zombie-like state of
>>>listlessness. Others, maddened by thirst, tried to escape in a
>>>desperate or suicidal fashion, running through open fields in broad
>>>daylight towards the Rhine to quench their thirst. They were mowed
>>>down.

>>>Some prisoners were extremely eager for cigarettes, saying they took
>>>the edge off their hunger. Accordingly, some enterprising G.I. "Yankee
>>>traders" were acquiring hordes of wrist watches and rings in exchange
>>>for handfuls of cigarettes or less. When I began throwing cartons of
>>>cigar-ettes to the prisoners to ruin this trade, I found myself
>>>threatened by rank-and-file G.I.s also. At least this taught me an
>>>indelible lesson: how wrong majorities and authorities can be.

>>>A bright spot in this gloomy picture came, oddly enough, one night
>>>when I was put on the "graveyard shift", from two to four A.M.
>>>Actually, there was a graveyard on the uphill side of this enclosure,
>>>not many yards away. My superiors had forgotten to give me a
>>>flashlight and I hadn't bothered to ask, being disgusted with the
>>>whole situation by that time. It was a fairly bright night and I soon
>>>became aware of a prisoner crawling under the wires to the graveyard.
>>>We were supposed to shoot escapees on sight, so I started to get up to
>>>warn him to get back. Suddenly I noticed another prisoner crawling
>>>from the graveyard back to the enclosure. They were risking their
>>>lives to get to the graveyard for something; I had to investigate.

>>>When I entered the gloom of this shrubby, tree-shaded cemetery, I
>>>never felt more vulnerable, but somehow curiosity kept me going.
>>>Despite my caution, I tripped over the legs of someone in a prone
>>>position. Whipping my rifle around while stumbling and trying to
>>>regain composure of mind and body, I soon was relieved I hadn't
>>>reflexively fired. The figure sat up, moving erratically. Gradually I
>>>could see the beautiful but terror-stricken face of a woman with a
>>>picnic basket nearby. German civilians were not allowed to feed, nor
>>>even come near, the prisoners, so I quickly assured her I approved of
>>>what she was doing, not to be afraid, and that I would leave the
>>>graveyard to get out of the way, telling no one.

>>>I left the graveyard as quickly as possible and sat down, leaning
>>>against a tree at the edge CF the cemetary to be inconspicuous and not
>>>frighten the prisoners. I imagined then, and often since, what it
>>>would be like to be a prisoner under those conditions and meet a
>>>beautiful woman with a picnic basket. I never saw her again, but I
>>>have never forgotten her face.

>>>While I watched, more prisoners crawled to and from the enclosure. I
>>>saw they were dragging food back to their comrades and could only
>>>admire their courage and devotion. As I walked back to my quarters at
>>>the end of my shift, a nightingale and I were singing -- both felt a
>>>touch of spring.

>>>(I originally did not intend to reveal the following incident, for it
>>>moves into a realm termed "mystical". However, for me, it was an
>>>extremely significant experience, changing my life, providing a light
>>>no darkness can extinguish. It must be told, hoping it will foster
>>>understanding.)

>>>On May 8, V.E. day, I decided to celebrate with some prisoners I was
>>>guarding who were baking bread, meager amounts of which the other
>>>prisoners occasionally received. This group had all the bread they
>>>could eat, and shared the jovial mood generated by the end of the war.
>>>We all thought we would be going home soon, a pathetic hope on their
>>>part. We were in what was to become the French zone, and I later
>>>witnessed the brutality of the French soldiers when we transferred our
>>>prisoners to them for their slave labor camps (see below).

>>>However, on this day we were happy.

>>>After chatting with them about the potentials of peace for the rest of
>>>our lives, I decided to risk a gesture of trust that objectively would
>>>seem foolish. I emptied my rifle and stood it in the corner. They
>>>tested me further by asking to play with it, and I agreed. Intuitively
>>>I felt I could rely on their sense of honor not to attack me, for they
>>>knew they too were being tested. This thoroughly 'broke the ice', and
>>>soon we were singing songs we taught each other or I had learned in
>>>high school German ("Du, du, liegst mir im Herzen"). Out of gratitude,
>>>they secretly baked a small sweet bread and insisted I take it,
>>>explaining it was the only possible gift they had left to offer.
>>>Expressing my gratitude with a lump in my throat, I put it in my tight
>>>"Eisenhower jacket" so I could sneak it back to my barracks. I later
>>>found an opportunity to eat it outside.

>>>Never had bread tasted more delicious, nor conveyed to me a deeper
>>>sense of communion while eating it. A wonderful feeling pervaded me,
>>>gently opening me to an intimation of the Oneness of all Being.
>>>Through those prisoners I sensed the ~cosmic presence of what has been
>>>called the Christ, Buddha-nature, or, perhaps most aptly, the
>>>Ineffable: cosmically present, but hidden and apparently separate,
>>>until revealed in the wholeness of the giving of the self. Even within
>>>the horror humans had created, I was taught a path to redemption may
>>>open by taking a first, tentative step in the direction of love,
>>>understanding and forgiveness. This above all the prisoners taught me:
>>>not only are we all potentially humane humans, there is divinity
>>>within us waiting for us to dissolve the defensive shield of ego. I
>>>was pleased to discover later the words of Matthew 25:34-46,
>>>expressing the potential within prisoners and all who are at our
>>>mercy.

>>>Shortly after this experience I was plunged into even greater horror.
>>>Some of our weak and sickly prisoners were being marched off by French
>>>soldiers to their camp. The truck we were on first passed another
>>>truck picking up bodies along the side of the road, and then came up
>>>behind a slowly moving column of men. Temporarily we slowed down and
>>>remained behind, perhaps because the driver was as shocked as I was.
>>>The French soldiers were apparently incensed at the poor condition of
>>>our prisoners, not only for labor but for marching to another camp.
>>>Whenever a prisoner staggered or dropped back, the French clubbed him
>>>to death and then dragged him to the side of the road. For many, this
>>>quick death might have been preferable to their prolonged suffering.
>>>Even gas would have been more merciful than our murder by neglect in
>>>our slow 'killing fields'.

>>>When I saw the German women held in a separate enclosure, I asked why
>>>we were keeping them. I was told they were "camp followers", selected
>>>as breeding stock for the S.S. to create a super-race. We provided
>>>them with tents but they were extremely hungry. I spoke to some and
>>>must say they were still spirited and attractive. However, I believe I
>>>was objective enough when I told all concerned that I didn't think
>>>they deserved our treatment.

>>>As an interpreter, I was able to prevent some particularly unfortunate
>>>arrests. One somewhat amusing incident occurred during a pre-dawn raid
>>>we conducted on a town to discover Nazis or arms. An old farmer was
>>>being dragged away by some soldiers. I was told he had a "fancy Nazi
>>>medal", which they showed to me. Fortunately, I had a chart
>>>identifying such medals. He had been awarded it for having five or
>>>more children! Perhaps his wife was somewhat relieved to get him "off
>>>her back", but I didn't think one of our 'death camps' was a fair
>>>punishment for his contribution to Germany. The soldiers agreed and
>>>released him to continue his "dirty work".

>>>Famine was spreading amongst German civilians also. It was a common
>>>sight to see German women up to their elbows in our garbage cans
>>>looking for something edible -- that is, when they weren't chased
>>>away.

>>>When I interviewed mayors of small towns and villages, I was told
>>>their supply of food had been taken away by "displaced persons"
>>>(foreigners who had worked in Germany), who packed the food on trucks
>>>and drove away. When I reported this, the response was a shrug or an
>>>expression of helplessness.

>>>Although the Red Cross coffee and doughnut stands were available
>>>everywhere for us, I never saw any Red Cross in the prison camps or
>>>helping the civilians. While my girlfriend had all the "contraband"
>>>doughnuts she could eat, most Germans had to share their meager hidden
>>>stores and wait until the next harvest.

>>>This hunger undoubtedly made many German women more "available", but,
>>>despite this, rape was incredibly prevalent and often accompanied by
>>>additional violence. I particularly remember a charming eighteen year
>>>old girl who had several unsuccessful suitors and was "just friends"
>>>with me, who had the side of her face smashed with a rifle butt and
>>>was then raped by two G.I.s. The casual shooting of German civilians
>>>also continued, usually by drunken soldiers who would tell of this as
>>>something amusing. All too many G.I.s gave the impression they were
>>>1ike animals released from cages, free to do what they liked because
>>>they were dealing with yet a lower species of animal, a reverse
>>>racism, inflamed by our propaganda. However, even the French
>>>complained to me that our rape and drunken destructive behavior in
>>>their country was excessive. When we had arrived in Le Havre, we had
>>>been given booklets instructing us that the Germans had maintained a
>>>high standard of behavior with French civilians who were peaceful, and
>>>that we should do the same. In this we failed miserably.

>>>So what? we might still say. The enemies' atrocities were worse than
>>>ours. Certainly my experiences were only of the last phases of the
>>>war, when we were already clearly the victors. The Nazi opportunity
>>>for atrocities had faded and ours was unleashed. But we might have
>>>learned the simple lesson that two wrongs do not make a right. Perhaps
>>>we might even have broken the cycle of vengeful retaliation and
>>>unbridled hatred, fed by racism, that has plagued human history and
>>>blighted human potential all to long. Instead, we committed our own
>>>atrocities and now are clinging to a cover-up. That is why I am
>>>speaking out now, forty-five years after the crime. We can never
>>>prevent individual war crimes, but we can, if enough of us speak out,
>>>influence government policy. We can reject government propaganda that
>>>depicts our enemies as subhuman and encourages the kinds of outrages I
>>>witnessed. We can protest the bombing of civilian targets, which still
>>>goes on today. (I will never forget the sickly sweet smell of rotting
>>>human flesh rising from the shattered remains of the cities and towns
>>>I entered.) And we can refuse ever to condone our government' s murder
>>>of unarmed and defeated prisoners of war.

>>>I realized it's difficult to admit witnessing a crime of this
>>>magnitude, especially if implicated oneself. Even G.I .s sympathetic
>>>to the victims told me they were afraid to oppose so massive a policy
>>>that would surely seek to cover its tracks. I never heard this
>>>directly from an officer, but it was the belief of the rank-and-file
>>>G.I.s I spoke to that we were not to "talk" because, first, no one
>>>would believe us, and second, we would surely get into trouble. They
>>>all insisted it was better not to talk, and slowly I too realized it
>>>would be futile and dangerous. That is, until now, thanks to James
>>>Bacque and Pat Buchanan. This is not to say the danger has passed.
>>>Since I "spoke out" recently, my mailbox has been smashed and I have
>>>received threatening phone calls. But I believe it is worth the risk.
>>>Writing about these atrocities has been a catharsis of feelings
>>>suppressed too long, a liberation, and perhaps will remind other
>>>witnesses and citizens -that "the truth shall make us free, have no
>>>fear." And, in any case, "the truth shall out".

>>>We may even learn a supreme lesson from all this: Hate is
>>>self-destructive; only love can conquer and evolve all as One.

>>>Martin Brech
>>>(Adjunct Professor,
>>>Philosophy & Religion,
>>>Mercy College;
>>>Ex-G.I., Finally Free)
>>>Martin Brech, 187 Archer Road, Mahopac, NY 10541, Tel.: 914-628-6301

>>>James Bacque: Did the Allies starve millions of Germans?


>>>Perhaps the Scheissedreck Shabbasgoy McVay wanted to further repost
>>>the following article...


Ken McVay from Nizkor seems to actually deny that something like death
camps for Germans even existed or that Germans were deliberately
starved to death (Rheinwiesenlager).
http://www.rheinwiesenlager.de/

He himself is some kind of "Holocaust Denier", when it comes to German
suffering.
Note that Nizkor virtually doesn't mention any German suffering:
http://www.nizkor.org/other-sites/genocides.html
No mentioning of Germans at all. But after all, why bother about those
subhumans that according to Nizkor and related sources "gassed
millions of Jews"?!


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molseter, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZYD masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late
nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZYD COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZYDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZYDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.



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Nochmal fragen - 
Wenn es wirklich kein Plant in Kanada gibt, dann wer hat die 32
MILLIONEN?  Ist GEKO dann kaput?

Kann Bundesfinanzamt erklaeren?


>On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:04:45 GMT, Asterix
> wrote:
>>On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:58:34 -0600, Chief Instigator
>> wrote:
>
>>>In a half page headline story in the Edmonton Journal today 15 August 2005,
>>>the report complains that even after more than 3 years, THERE IS STILL NOT
>>>EVEN THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE GEKO GARBAGE 
>>>COMPUTER RECYCLING PLANT IN EDMONTON,CANADA!!
>>
>>>Because of the non-existence of the GEKO recycling plant, there is now 3235
>>>tonnes of computers piled at the site. This has caused criticism from the
>>>Electronic Recycling Corporation of Alberta, who recycle usable computers for
>>>charities. They see the waste of usable computers in the open air stockpiles,
>>>in mud and water because GEKO is not functioning, as being against the best
>>>interests of the public, and charities.
>>
>>>Dieter Obergfell, of GEKO, explaining from Essen, , now claims that
>>>construction MIGHT start this August, 3 years later than originally proposed.
>>
>>Bis jetzt, keine Plant!!
>>Wo ist 32 Millionen?
>>
>>
>>>From: Ken Levi 
>>>Newsgroups:
>>>de.soc.wirtschaft,de.soc.politik.misc,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.germany
>>>Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing Extra $28 MILLION?? WER
>>>PROFITIERT,Bundesfinanzamt?
>>>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0700
>>
>>>When GEKO claims that they will be spending more than 10 TIMES what
>>>the successful competitor MAXUS paid for their plant, and when MAXUS
>>>even paid for their land which GEKO will not, one has to ask, WHO IS
>>>GETTING THE EXTRA 28 MILLIONEN??
>>
>>>Has Bundesfinanzamt approved the removal of the more than 30 millionen
>>>from Germany?
>>
>>>Have the shareholders of GEKO been given all the facts regarding the
>>>disappearance of this money from their control?
>>
>>>
>>>On 9 Nov 2004 00:39:27 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(DanChristensen) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, people have another extremely interesting question, which manager of
>>>>GEKO Recycling Technologies Dieter Obergfell can not answer!!
>>>>WHY IS THE EDMONTON CANADA GARBAGE PROJECT FOR GEKO GOING TO COST 30 MILLIONEN,
>>>>since they do not have to pay for the land of 5 acres?
>>>
>>>>In the nearby community of Ryley, the competitor doing the same work,
>>>>MAXUS TECHNOLOGTY CORPORATION, paid under
>>>>$3 millionen, which included the cost for their land!!
>>>
>>>>WHO IS POCKETING THE EXTRA $27 MILLIONEN? WER PROFITIERT?
>>>
>>>
>>>>An interesting question for Deutsche Bundesfinanzamt - Did GEKO pay the taxes 
>>>>in Germany, on the 30 million they say they will spend/lose
>>>>in Edmonton, Canada?
>>>
>>>
>>>>A local paper in Edmonton,Canada is reporting that the firm GEKO, division of DiHAG/GEKO
>>>>is supposed to be spending $30 million for a computer recycling plant at the 
>>>>local garbage dump.
>>>
>>>>It is not clear why GEKO are building this overpriced facility.
>>>
>>>>For more than 3 years, a competitor, MAXUS Technology Corporation, has been in 
>>>>business in a nearby town.
>>>>MAXUS have also made contracts with communities throughout western Canada and 
>>>>also the USA, to have trainloads of computers and similar
>>>>materials available for processing, leaving next to no product for GEKO!!
>>>
>>>>Because GEKO did NOT build when they said they would, 2 years ago, the mayor 
>>>>was defeated in his bid for re- election this week!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>Subject: Germany Continues Boycott of Deadmonton
>>>>Date: 1999/07/25
>>>>Message-ID: <199907251430.QAA17273@mail.replay.com>#1/1
>>>>Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,soc.culture.german
>>>
>>>>The media report that no businesses from Germany bothered
>>>>to attend this year's Klondike Days in Deadmonton, (Edmonton)Canada
>>>
>>>>Even though GERMANY was the featured nation.
>>>
>>>>Could this perhaps have something to do with the snubbing
>>>>by Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH Smith, of the international trade
>>>>delegation from Germany, whom he REFUSED to meet?
>>>
>>>>Smith refused to meet with the large delegation of people from Berlin,
>>>>who had been scheduled by both the provincial government trade office,
>>>>as well as City Hall.
>>>
>>>>The trade delegation after being snubbed by Smith, then went on to
>>>>Calgary, where they were welcomed. They also did do considerable
>>>>business, in the pro-business city, unlike the welfare  dump of
>>>>Deadmonton.
>>>
>>>>This INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT was documented in detail in the
>>>>Edmonton Journal 3 times - 1 December 1995 on page B2,
>>>>on 12 January 1996 on page B3, and again on 28 March 1996 on page A14.
>>>
>>>>The media in Germany carried many articles, denouncing the
>>>>anti-German actions of Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH.
>>>
>>>>It seems that even though slick Willy squanders piles of
>>>>taxpayer dollars wining and dining and traipsing off to
>>>>Germany, the businesspeople there still remember him as
>>>>Burgermeister Arschloch.
>>>
>>>>That is why Deadmonton is still blackballed by thinking Germans.
>>>
>>>>Now, slick Willy is trying to con some Germans running GEKO to
>>>>build a recycling plant for computers, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THAT
>>>>THEY ARE TOO LATE!!
>>>
>>>>Another local firm MAXUS TECHNOLOGY INC. has built a multi-million dollar 
>>>>facility near Edmonton, already operating, to handle millions of tonnes of old computers from all over 
>>>>Canada and the USA!!
>>>
>>>>Are Germans so stupid as to believe a mayor, whose own business as
>>>>a used tire dealer went under?? Ask Michelin about B & D Tiretown,
>>>>or even ask Jan Reimer who brought it up in the election campaign...
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With even the Soviets forced to admit that it was their ZYD NKVD who
did the murders at KATYN, why are you apologising for them?

Historians and experts proved it was NOT the Germans!

Were you one of the killers, or perhaps your father, uncle or?


On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:54:59 -0700, "Peter Wielki" 
wrote:

>Actually, in Katyn there were Russians and Ukraninians that did the crime, 
>as far as I know.
>
>But yeah, let's blame it on JEWS!!!  Germans did it too, right Frankie?


>"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
>news:ummva2ddrk9aik6jnqimp9mseb9b5ap4g1@4ax.com...
>> True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZYDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary of 
>> the
>> discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland 
>> had
>> been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated to 
>> The
>> Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis, who
>> invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely used 
>> the
>> word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler learned, 
>> as
>> dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers from a 
>> single
>> narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: its intent was 
>> to
>> eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its perceived
>> guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the
>> exiled Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn, 
>> outside
>> Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and
>> the terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the 
>> relationship
>> between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him, 
>> awarding
>> him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his future murder 
>> victims.
>> And when Stalin jested that they should settle the German problem once and 
>> for
>> all by killing 50,000 German officers, Churchill merely protested sulkily, 
>> and
>> Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one 
>> by
>> which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three knew 
>> of
>> the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, all 
>> three -
>> two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich 
>> five
>> years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn: once
>> Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with almost
>> anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn into 
>> the
>> diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan Government 
>> in
>> the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a memorial in London to the
>> victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>>>Katyn
>>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>
>>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>
>>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>
>>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>>of Poland.
>>
>>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>>in 1940.
>>
>>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>>>along the River Bug.
>>
>>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>
>>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>
>>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>
>>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>>>Russia.
>>
>>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>>>FBI.
>>
>>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>>>of them did.
>>
>>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>
>>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>
>>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>>>killings.
>>
>> ISRAEL REFUSED TO PROSECUTE THESAE ZHID MURDERERS!!
>>
>>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>
>>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>>>back to their governments.
>>
>>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>
>>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>
>>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>>>decided.
>>
>>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>
>>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>>feeling.
>>
>>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews/ZHIDS  isn't surprising. What is
>>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>
>>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>
>> ++++++++++++++
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> First,let us kill all the lawyers! - W.Shakespeare
>> First, we get rid of all the politicians! - Mao tse Dung
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled-as fertiliser!!
>> Me
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Newsgroups:
>> pl.regionalne.krakow,pl.regionalne.lodz,pl.regionalne.warszawa,soc.culture.polish,alt.politics.europe
>> Subject: KATYN=MURDERS BY ZHIDS/SOVIET NKVD!!! True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZHIDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:
>> soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary
>> of the discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland
>> had been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated
>> to The Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis,
>> who invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely
>> used the word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler
>> learned, as dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers
>> from a single narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: 
>> its
>> intent was to eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its
>> perceived guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the exiled
>> Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn,
>> outside Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. 
>> A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and the
>> terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the
>> relationship between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him,
>> awarding him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his
>> future murder victims. And when Stalin jested that they should settle the
>> German problem once and for all by killing 50,000 German officers, 
>> Churchill
>> merely protested sulkily, and Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing
>> only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one
>> by which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three
>> knew of the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, 
>> all
>> three - two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to
>> those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich
>> five years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn:
>> once Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with
>> almost anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn
>> into the diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan
>> Government in the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a
>> memorial in London to the victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>> >>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>> >>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>> >>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>> >>>>Katyn
>>> >>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>> >>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>> >>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>> >>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>> >>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>> >>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>> >>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>> >>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>> >>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>> >>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>> >>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>> >>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>> >>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>> >>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>> >>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>> >>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>> >>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>> >>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>> >>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>
>>> >>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>> >>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>> >>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>> >>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>> >>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>
>>> >>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>> >>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>> >>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>> >>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>> >>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>> >>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>> >>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>
>>> >>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>> >>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>> >>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>> >>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>> >>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>> >>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>> >>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>> >>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>> >>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>> >>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>> >>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>> >>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>> >>>>of Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>> >>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>> >>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>> >>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>> >>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>> >>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>> >>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>> >>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>> >>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>> >>>>in 1940.
>>
>>> >>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>> >>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>> >>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>> >>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>> >>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>> >>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>> >>>>along the River Bug.
>>
>>> >>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>> >>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>> >>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>> >>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>> >>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>> >>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>> >>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>> >>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>> >>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>> >>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>> >>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>> >>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>> >>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>> >>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>> >>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>> >>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>> >>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>> >>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>> >>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>> >>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>> >>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>> >>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>> >>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>
>>> >>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>> >>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>> >>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>> >>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>> >>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>> >>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>> >>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>> >>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>> >>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>> >>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>> >>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>> >>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>> >>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>> >>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>> >>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>> >>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>> >>>>Russia.
>>
>>> >>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>> >>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>> >>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>> >>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>> >>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>> >>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>> >>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>> >>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>> >>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>> >>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>> >>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>> >>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>> >>>>FBI.
>>
>>> >>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>> >>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>> >>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>> >>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>> >>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>> >>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>> >>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>> >>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>> >>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>> >>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>> >>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>> >>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>> >>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>> >>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>> >>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>> >>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>> >>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>> >>>>of them did.
>>
>>> >>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>> >>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>> >>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>> >>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>> >>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>> >>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>> >>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>> >>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>> >>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>> >>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>> >>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>> >>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>
>>> >>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>> >>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>> >>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>> >>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>> >>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>> >>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>> >>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>> >>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>> >>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>> >>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>> >>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>> >>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>> >>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>> >>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>
>>> >>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>> >>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>> >>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>> >>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>> >>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>> >>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>> >>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>> >>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>> >>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>> >>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>> >>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>> >>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>> >>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>> >>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>> >>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>> >>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>> >>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>> >>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>> >>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>> >>>>killings.
>>
>>> >>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>> >>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>> >>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>> >>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>> >>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>> >>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>> >>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>> >>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>> >>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>> >>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>> >>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>> >>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>> >>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>> >>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>> >>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>> >>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>
>>> >>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>> >>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>> >>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>> >>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>> >>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>> >>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>> >>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>> >>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>> >>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>> >>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>> >>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>> >>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>> >>>>back to their governments.
>>
>>> >>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>> >>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>> >>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>> >>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>> >>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>> >>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>> >>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>
>>> >>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>> >>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>> >>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>> >>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>> >>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>> >>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>> >>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>> >>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>> >>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>> >>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>> >>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>> >>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>> >>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>
>>> >>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>> >>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>> >>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>> >>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>> >>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>> >>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>> >>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>> >>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>> >>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>> >>>>decided.
>>
>>> >>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>> >>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>> >>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>> >>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>> >>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>> >>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>> >>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>> >>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>> >>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>> >>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>> >>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>> >>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>> >>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>
>>> >>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>> >>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>> >>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>> >>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>> >>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>> >>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>> >>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>> >>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>> >>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>> >>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>> >>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>> >>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>> >>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>> >>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>> >>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>> >>>>feeling.
>>
>>> >>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is
>>> >>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>> >>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>> >>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>> >>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>> >>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>> >>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>> >>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>> >>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>> >>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>
>>> >>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>> >>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>> >>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>> >>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>
>>> >>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>> >>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>> >>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>> >>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>
>>> >>>>++++++++++++++
>>
>>> >>>>American Renaissance
>>> >>>>http://www.amren.com
>>
>>> >>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>> >>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>
>>> >>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>> >>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>
>>> >>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>> >>>>http://www.14words.com
>>
>>> >>>>National Alliance
>>> >>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>
>>> >>>>Stormfront
>>> >>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>
>>> >>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>> >>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>
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>>
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At least the government of Indonesia know what to do with garbage
people, such as drug dealers.

They know, as do other sensible governments in the area, that an
executed criminal will never re-offend!!

Further, an executed waste of skin, will not cost the taxpayers for
the upkeep in some pampering prison system!!

If only the justice systems in North America would follow suit!!!


On 17 Feb 2006 18:43:24 -0800, "LifeManTalking" 
wrote:

>AUSTRALIA - Few Australians have much sympathy for Andrew Chan and
>Myuran Sukumaran, the two drug traffickers sentenced to death in Bali
>this week for their failed bid to smuggle more than 8kg of heroin on to
>the streets of Sydney.

>The lives of too many of their young people have been destroyed by
>drugs and, as innumerable letters to newspapers and callers to talkback
>radio have pointed out, Chan and Sukumaran could never have been in any
>doubt of the risk they took in running narcotics through Indonesia.

>But the prospect of the pair being taken from Kerobokan jail, tied to a
>tree in some lonely clearing, and shot by a paramilitary firing squad
>raises deep and disturbing moral, political and diplomatic dilemmas for
>a nation that last executed a criminal almost 40 years ago and now
>opposes the death penalty worldwide.

>Their own police provided the information that inevitably led to
>Tuesday's sentence. Their Government welcomed the death penalty given
>to the Bali bombers but opposes the same fate for Australian drug
>traffickers, and public opinion is repulsed by the prospect of
>executions at home but inconsistently accepts them abroad.

>It is a diplomatic minefield that Canberra traversed when
>Vietnamese-born Melburnian Van Tuong Nguyen was hanged in Singapore in
>December for taking heroin through Changi airport, despite Australian
>appeals for clemency.

>It is also a minefield that the nation will confront time and again:
>despite repeated warnings and the appalling reality of executions,
>there will always be people foolish enough to strap drugs to their
>bodies or conceal it in their luggage.

>Almost all will pass through Southeast Asia, the source of most of
>Australia's heroin (the Bali Nine consignment originated in Thailand)
>and where every country but Cambodia compulsorily hangs, shoots or
>lethally injects traffickers.

>Mike Phelan, the head of international operations for the Australian
>Federal Police and the man responsible for giving Indonesia the
>information it needed to arrest the Bali Nine, sees no end to the queue
>of couriers the trade calls "mules".

>"It continues to astound me that people attempt importations and move
>drugs through transit countries knowing that the death penalty exists,"
>he told ABC's Australian Story. "Many young lives get thrown away for
>the law of quick dollars."

>The AFP's role in the arrest of the Bali Nine is among the most
>sensitive of the issues facing Prime Minister John Howard, who has
>already weathered a barrage of criticism that has extended even into
>his own party room.

>The AFP caught the first whispers of a major heroin importing run in
>February last year and, in April, asked the Indonesian police to help
>uncover the members of the syndicate and the source of their supplies.

>Between them, the two forces discovered most of the names and built a
>remarkably accurate picture of their operation, including details of a
>previous successful run and another aborted attempt.

>This co-operation has become increasingly commonplace, spurred by the
>determination of all countries in the region to attack drug trafficking
>and terrorism. Intelligence swapping is required under a number of
>treaties.

>"We make no secret of the fact that the AFP has a policy of forward
>engagement where we want to stop the crimes at the source and (prevent
>them) from reaching Australian shores," Phelan said. "That's a practice
>we will continue to operate within."

>What worries many Australians is the fact that the AFP in effect turned
>over a group of young Australians to a country it knew was likely to
>execute them, rather than arresting them when they arrived home.

>The most emotional response centred on Scott Rush, 20, a drug mule who
>was jailed for life. His family, through lawyer Bob Myers, vainly asked
>the AFP to warn Rush of their interest before he left Australia.

>"No Australian public servant has the right to expose any Australian
>citizen to the death penalty," Myers told Australian Story.

>Rush and fellow mules Renae Lawrence, Martin Stephens and Michael
>Czugaj took the AFP to the Federal Court, claiming it had acted
>illegally by exposing them to the death penalty.

>While a large part of public opinion agreed, the court dismissed the
>action.

>The Government has also sidestepped criticism, pointing out that while
>the relevant treaty with Indonesia contains a clause allowing the
>Attorney-General to refuse to provide evidence if an Australian was
>charged with an offence carrying the death penalty, the AFP was free to
>do as it thought best until charges were laid.

>By the time the Bali Nine were formally charged, all the damaging
>evidence had been gathered.

>Phelan is unrepentant: "Basically all transit countries through which
>drugs come to Australia have the death penalty. The AFP cannot pick and
>choose who it chooses to cooperate with."

>International teamwork in the past few years has significantly reduced
>the flow of drugs into Australia. The most recent Australian Crime
>Commission figures, for 2003-04, show the lowest seizures of heroin for
>a decade.

>Refusal to co-operate abroad would outrage regional governments and
>threaten mutual action against other drug syndicates and terrorism.

>Public opinion in Southeast Asia also strongly favours the death
>penalty for traffickers, with polls in Singapore and Thailand showing
>support of up to 80 per cent.

>In Australia, opinion is more confused. A Morgan poll in November found
>that while only 27 per cent of Australians favoured the death penalty
>for murder, 57 per cent believed drug traffickers caught in Asia should
>die.

>Yet in the specific case of Van Nguyen, opinion was evenly divided.

>In The Australian, a newspoll found that more than 50 per cent of
>Australians favoured the death sentence for people convicted of major
>acts of terrorism.

>Howard now has to weigh all these conflicting factors in framing
>Canberra's approach to the executions of Chan and Sukumaran. He has
>said publicly he has no sympathy for the two men but will vigorously
>pursue Australia's long-standing opposition to the death penalty.

>How that is carried out will test Australian diplomacy.

>Apart from the risks to a fragile relationship, observers have pointed
>out that any blunt approach will almost certainly stiffen backs in
>Jakarta and end any chance of clemency.

>Hopes of saving Chan and Sukumaran now rest with Indonesia's
>inconsistent record in carrying out executions, the fact that in recent
>times only three of the more than 85 prisoners on death row have been
>shot, and the lengthy legal road still to be travelled.

>It may be years before their case moves through the Denpasar provincial
>High Court and the two reviews possible through the Supreme Court in
>Jakarta.

>And though President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has said he will never
>grant clemency to drug traffickers, time and quiet diplomacy may change
>his mind.

>Death penalty Australia's double dilemma 
>
>18.02.06
>By Greg Ansley



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On Sun, 20 August 2006  08:54:37 -0700, Ken
McVaySOBC wrote:

This is more than true, if you read the book "OTHER LOSSES" by
Bacque!

It seems that those who were involved in this gencoide after the war,
tried hard to suppress news about their crimes, and many of the
victims died, fearing harm to their families if they told the truth.

Now, with more and more survivors willing to testify, including some
of the US military involved, the truth is being substantiated!


>>>On 13 Dec 2004 01:34:52 -0800, "Schorsch"  wrote:
>>>Kenneth McVay OBC wrote:
>>> In article <1102789129.632939.294380@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Schorsch  wrote:
>> >Allied Plans for the Annihilation of the German People
>> >Measures for the Devastation of the Heart of Europe

>>> Was there some point you wished to make?

>>>Perhaps the Scheissedreck Shabbasgoy McVay wanted to further repost
>>>the following article...

>>>Subject: Es Stimmt-Ike's Death Camps for Germans!!

>>>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>>>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting 
>>>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still 
>>>unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of the 
>>>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, and now finally dying as a
>>>diseased AIDS-spreader,wants all to know about all 
>>>his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>>>Here is the latest.......

>>>From: cmsahe@excite.com (Carlos cmsahe)
>>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.palestine,soc.culture.europe
>>>Subject: "Ike"'s Death camps
>>>Date: 18 Feb 2002 07:43:47 -0800

>>>A U.S. PRISON GUARD AT ONE OF "IKE'S DEATH CAMPS"

>>>By Martin Brech

>>>FORTY-FIVE years ago, I witnessed an atrocity: the deliberate
>>>starvation of German POWs by our own army. History, written by the
>>>victors, suppressed all news of this atrocity until James Bacque, a
>>>Canadian author, published his brilliant expose, OTHER LOSSES. This
>>>book is a best seller in Canada, a sensation in Europe, yet is
>>>virtually unavailable (censored?) in the U.S. Our major booksellers
>>>told me their distributors are not handling it. When I prevailed upon
>>>a small, independent bookstore to order direct from Canada, the
>>>publisher told them they would be the only store in New York State to
>>>carry the book. This in 'the land of the free'?"

>>>Fortunately, Pat Buchanan called attention to OTHER LOSSES in his
>>>January 10, 1990 column. He wrote:

>>>"Conclusion: the U.S. Army killed ten times as many Germans in POW
>>>camps as we did on battlefields from Normandy to V.E. day. (German
>>>POWs) had their rations cut below survival level until they were dying
>>>at rates up to 30% of exposure, starvation and neglect... Red Cross
>>>food trains were turned back and U.S. food shipments sat on the
>>>docks...One French officer said the U.S. camps reminded him of Dachau
>>>and Buchenwald...The book blames Eisenhower. 'The German is a beast,'
>>>Ike had written...But that was not how the Canadians and British felt,
>>>who treated their prisoners justly...It was not the view of General
>>>Mark Clark, nor of Patton...Ignoring the book is not enough."
>>>Pat Buchanan's courageous column inspired me to help end the cover-up
>>>of the atrocity I had witnessed. I wrote letters to several newspapers
>>>which were, of necessity, short and incomplete. Now I would like to
>>>finally free more of my painful memories, hoping to be heard, so that
>>>this will help us to acknowledge our share in the "banality of evil",
>>>cleansing ourselves with the truth. Perhaps we as a nation may then
>>>put this behind us with some integrity and with some hope for
>>>redemption.

>>>In October 1944, at age eighteen, I was drafted into the army while a
>>>student at the NYS College of Forestry. Largely due to the "Battle of
>>>the Bulge", my training was cut short, my furlough cut in half, and I
>>>was then immediately sent overseas. Upon arrival in Le Havre, France,
>>>we were quickly loaded into boxcars and shipped to the front. By the
>>>time we reached it, I had developed mononucleosis severely enough to
>>>be sent to a hospital in Belgium.

>>>By the time I left the hospital, the unit I had trained with in
>>>Spartenburg, South Carolina was so deeply into Germany that I warn
>>>placed in a "repo depo" (a replacement depot) despite my protests. I
>>>then lost interest in which units I was assigned to because non-combat
>>>units were generally not respected. My separation qualification record
>>>states that I served mostly with the 14th Infantry Regiment, during
>>>which time I guarded prisoners of war and served as an interpreter.
>>>During my seventeen month stay in Germany, I was transferred to other
>>>outfits also.

>>>In late March or early April 1945, I was assigned to help guard a POW
>>>camp near Andernach along the Rhine. I had four years of high school
>>>German, so I was able to talk to the prisoners, although this was
>>>forbidden.

>>>Gradually, however, I was used as an interpreter and asked to ferret
>>>out the S.S. (I found none.)

>>>In Andernach, between 50,000 and 65,000 prisoners, ranging in age from
>>>very young teens to very old men, were crowded together in an open
>>>field surrounded by barbed wire. The women were kept in a separate
>>>enclosure which I did not see until later. The men I guarded had no
>>>tents or other shelter, no blankets and many had no coats. Inadequate
>>>numbers of slit trenches were provided for excrement, and so the men
>>>lived and slept in the mud and increasing filth during a cold, wet
>>>spring. Their misery from exposure alone was evident.

>>>It was even more shocking to see them eating grass, sometimes throwing
>>>it into a tin can containing a thin soup. They told me they did this
>>>hoping to ease their hunger pains. Soon their emaciation was evident.
>>>Dysentery raged and, too weak and crowded to reach the slit trenches,
>>>they were increasingly sleeping in excrement. I saw no sign of
>>>provision for water, so the thin soup was their food and water for the
>>>day. Some days there was bread, less than a slice each. Other days
>>>there was nothing.

>>>The sight of so many men desperate for food and water, sickening and
>>>dying before our eyes, is indescribable. Even now, I can only think of
>>>it momentarily.

>>>We had ample food and supplies that could have been shared more
>>>humanely, and we could have offered some medical assistance, but did
>>>nothing. Only the dead were quickly and efficiently taken care of:
>>>hauled away to mass graves.

>>>My outrage reached the point that I protested to my officers, but I
>>>was met with hostility or bland indifference. When pressed, they
>>>explained they were under strict orders from "higher up". No officer
>>>would dare to systematically do this to over 50,000 prisoners if he
>>>felt he was violating general policy and subject to court martial. The
>>>term "war criminal" was just beginning to come into fashion.

>>>Realizing my protests were useless, I asked a friend working in the
>>>kitchen if he could slip me some extra food for the prisoners. He too
>>>repeated that they were under strict orders to severely ration the
>>>prisoners' food, and that these orders came from "higher up". But he
>>>said they had more food than they knew what to do with and would sneak
>>>me some.

>>>When I threw this food over the barbed wires to the prisoners I was
>>>caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the "offense", and
>>>one officer threatened to shoot me. I naturally assumed this was a
>>>bluff, but I began to have some doubts after I encountered a captain
>>>on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian
>>>women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, "Why?" he mumbled,
>>>"Target practice," and fired until his pistol was empty. I saw the
>>>women running for cover, but, at that distance, couldn't tell if any
>>>had been hit.

>>>This is when I more fully realized I was dealing with some
>>>cold-blooded killers filled with moralistic hatred. They considered
>>>the Germans sub-human and worthy of extermination; another expression
>>>of the downward spiral of racism. Articles in the G.I. newspaper,
>>>Stars & Stripes, played up the Nazi concentration camps, complete with
>>>photographs of emaciated bodies; this amplified our self-righteous
>>>cruelty and made it easier to imitate behavior we were supposed to
>>>oppose. Also, I think, soldiers not exposed to combat were trying to
>>>prove how tough they were by taking it out on the prisoners and
>>>civilians. At least, many combat soldiers told me later they would not
>>>have tolerated this, for they combined hatred with respect for a
>>>courageous enemy.

>>>The prisoners I spoke to were mostly simple farmers and workingmen, as
>>>ignorant, albeit nationalistic, as many of our own troops. I heard
>>>many versions of "my country, right or wrong, my country," which we
>>>still hear in our own country today.

>>>As time went on, many of them lapsed into a Zombie-like state of
>>>listlessness. Others, maddened by thirst, tried to escape in a
>>>desperate or suicidal fashion, running through open fields in broad
>>>daylight towards the Rhine to quench their thirst. They were mowed
>>>down.

>>>Some prisoners were extremely eager for cigarettes, saying they took
>>>the edge off their hunger. Accordingly, some enterprising G.I. "Yankee
>>>traders" were acquiring hordes of wrist watches and rings in exchange
>>>for handfuls of cigarettes or less. When I began throwing cartons of
>>>cigar-ettes to the prisoners to ruin this trade, I found myself
>>>threatened by rank-and-file G.I.s also. At least this taught me an
>>>indelible lesson: how wrong majorities and authorities can be.

>>>A bright spot in this gloomy picture came, oddly enough, one night
>>>when I was put on the "graveyard shift", from two to four A.M.
>>>Actually, there was a graveyard on the uphill side of this enclosure,
>>>not many yards away. My superiors had forgotten to give me a
>>>flashlight and I hadn't bothered to ask, being disgusted with the
>>>whole situation by that time. It was a fairly bright night and I soon
>>>became aware of a prisoner crawling under the wires to the graveyard.
>>>We were supposed to shoot escapees on sight, so I started to get up to
>>>warn him to get back. Suddenly I noticed another prisoner crawling
>>>from the graveyard back to the enclosure. They were risking their
>>>lives to get to the graveyard for something; I had to investigate.

>>>When I entered the gloom of this shrubby, tree-shaded cemetery, I
>>>never felt more vulnerable, but somehow curiosity kept me going.
>>>Despite my caution, I tripped over the legs of someone in a prone
>>>position. Whipping my rifle around while stumbling and trying to
>>>regain composure of mind and body, I soon was relieved I hadn't
>>>reflexively fired. The figure sat up, moving erratically. Gradually I
>>>could see the beautiful but terror-stricken face of a woman with a
>>>picnic basket nearby. German civilians were not allowed to feed, nor
>>>even come near, the prisoners, so I quickly assured her I approved of
>>>what she was doing, not to be afraid, and that I would leave the
>>>graveyard to get out of the way, telling no one.

>>>I left the graveyard as quickly as possible and sat down, leaning
>>>against a tree at the edge CF the cemetary to be inconspicuous and not
>>>frighten the prisoners. I imagined then, and often since, what it
>>>would be like to be a prisoner under those conditions and meet a
>>>beautiful woman with a picnic basket. I never saw her again, but I
>>>have never forgotten her face.

>>>While I watched, more prisoners crawled to and from the enclosure. I
>>>saw they were dragging food back to their comrades and could only
>>>admire their courage and devotion. As I walked back to my quarters at
>>>the end of my shift, a nightingale and I were singing -- both felt a
>>>touch of spring.

>>>(I originally did not intend to reveal the following incident, for it
>>>moves into a realm termed "mystical". However, for me, it was an
>>>extremely significant experience, changing my life, providing a light
>>>no darkness can extinguish. It must be told, hoping it will foster
>>>understanding.)

>>>On May 8, V.E. day, I decided to celebrate with some prisoners I was
>>>guarding who were baking bread, meager amounts of which the other
>>>prisoners occasionally received. This group had all the bread they
>>>could eat, and shared the jovial mood generated by the end of the war.
>>>We all thought we would be going home soon, a pathetic hope on their
>>>part. We were in what was to become the French zone, and I later
>>>witnessed the brutality of the French soldiers when we transferred our
>>>prisoners to them for their slave labor camps (see below).

>>>However, on this day we were happy.

>>>After chatting with them about the potentials of peace for the rest of
>>>our lives, I decided to risk a gesture of trust that objectively would
>>>seem foolish. I emptied my rifle and stood it in the corner. They
>>>tested me further by asking to play with it, and I agreed. Intuitively
>>>I felt I could rely on their sense of honor not to attack me, for they
>>>knew they too were being tested. This thoroughly 'broke the ice', and
>>>soon we were singing songs we taught each other or I had learned in
>>>high school German ("Du, du, liegst mir im Herzen"). Out of gratitude,
>>>they secretly baked a small sweet bread and insisted I take it,
>>>explaining it was the only possible gift they had left to offer.
>>>Expressing my gratitude with a lump in my throat, I put it in my tight
>>>"Eisenhower jacket" so I could sneak it back to my barracks. I later
>>>found an opportunity to eat it outside.

>>>Never had bread tasted more delicious, nor conveyed to me a deeper
>>>sense of communion while eating it. A wonderful feeling pervaded me,
>>>gently opening me to an intimation of the Oneness of all Being.
>>>Through those prisoners I sensed the ~cosmic presence of what has been
>>>called the Christ, Buddha-nature, or, perhaps most aptly, the
>>>Ineffable: cosmically present, but hidden and apparently separate,
>>>until revealed in the wholeness of the giving of the self. Even within
>>>the horror humans had created, I was taught a path to redemption may
>>>open by taking a first, tentative step in the direction of love,
>>>understanding and forgiveness. This above all the prisoners taught me:
>>>not only are we all potentially humane humans, there is divinity
>>>within us waiting for us to dissolve the defensive shield of ego. I
>>>was pleased to discover later the words of Matthew 25:34-46,
>>>expressing the potential within prisoners and all who are at our
>>>mercy.

>>>Shortly after this experience I was plunged into even greater horror.
>>>Some of our weak and sickly prisoners were being marched off by French
>>>soldiers to their camp. The truck we were on first passed another
>>>truck picking up bodies along the side of the road, and then came up
>>>behind a slowly moving column of men. Temporarily we slowed down and
>>>remained behind, perhaps because the driver was as shocked as I was.
>>>The French soldiers were apparently incensed at the poor condition of
>>>our prisoners, not only for labor but for marching to another camp.
>>>Whenever a prisoner staggered or dropped back, the French clubbed him
>>>to death and then dragged him to the side of the road. For many, this
>>>quick death might have been preferable to their prolonged suffering.
>>>Even gas would have been more merciful than our murder by neglect in
>>>our slow 'killing fields'.

>>>When I saw the German women held in a separate enclosure, I asked why
>>>we were keeping them. I was told they were "camp followers", selected
>>>as breeding stock for the S.S. to create a super-race. We provided
>>>them with tents but they were extremely hungry. I spoke to some and
>>>must say they were still spirited and attractive. However, I believe I
>>>was objective enough when I told all concerned that I didn't think
>>>they deserved our treatment.

>>>As an interpreter, I was able to prevent some particularly unfortunate
>>>arrests. One somewhat amusing incident occurred during a pre-dawn raid
>>>we conducted on a town to discover Nazis or arms. An old farmer was
>>>being dragged away by some soldiers. I was told he had a "fancy Nazi
>>>medal", which they showed to me. Fortunately, I had a chart
>>>identifying such medals. He had been awarded it for having five or
>>>more children! Perhaps his wife was somewhat relieved to get him "off
>>>her back", but I didn't think one of our 'death camps' was a fair
>>>punishment for his contribution to Germany. The soldiers agreed and
>>>released him to continue his "dirty work".

>>>Famine was spreading amongst German civilians also. It was a common
>>>sight to see German women up to their elbows in our garbage cans
>>>looking for something edible -- that is, when they weren't chased
>>>away.

>>>When I interviewed mayors of small towns and villages, I was told
>>>their supply of food had been taken away by "displaced persons"
>>>(foreigners who had worked in Germany), who packed the food on trucks
>>>and drove away. When I reported this, the response was a shrug or an
>>>expression of helplessness.

>>>Although the Red Cross coffee and doughnut stands were available
>>>everywhere for us, I never saw any Red Cross in the prison camps or
>>>helping the civilians. While my girlfriend had all the "contraband"
>>>doughnuts she could eat, most Germans had to share their meager hidden
>>>stores and wait until the next harvest.

>>>This hunger undoubtedly made many German women more "available", but,
>>>despite this, rape was incredibly prevalent and often accompanied by
>>>additional violence. I particularly remember a charming eighteen year
>>>old girl who had several unsuccessful suitors and was "just friends"
>>>with me, who had the side of her face smashed with a rifle butt and
>>>was then raped by two G.I.s. The casual shooting of German civilians
>>>also continued, usually by drunken soldiers who would tell of this as
>>>something amusing. All too many G.I.s gave the impression they were
>>>1ike animals released from cages, free to do what they liked because
>>>they were dealing with yet a lower species of animal, a reverse
>>>racism, inflamed by our propaganda. However, even the French
>>>complained to me that our rape and drunken destructive behavior in
>>>their country was excessive. When we had arrived in Le Havre, we had
>>>been given booklets instructing us that the Germans had maintained a
>>>high standard of behavior with French civilians who were peaceful, and
>>>that we should do the same. In this we failed miserably.

>>>So what? we might still say. The enemies' atrocities were worse than
>>>ours. Certainly my experiences were only of the last phases of the
>>>war, when we were already clearly the victors. The Nazi opportunity
>>>for atrocities had faded and ours was unleashed. But we might have
>>>learned the simple lesson that two wrongs do not make a right. Perhaps
>>>we might even have broken the cycle of vengeful retaliation and
>>>unbridled hatred, fed by racism, that has plagued human history and
>>>blighted human potential all to long. Instead, we committed our own
>>>atrocities and now are clinging to a cover-up. That is why I am
>>>speaking out now, forty-five years after the crime. We can never
>>>prevent individual war crimes, but we can, if enough of us speak out,
>>>influence government policy. We can reject government propaganda that
>>>depicts our enemies as subhuman and encourages the kinds of outrages I
>>>witnessed. We can protest the bombing of civilian targets, which still
>>>goes on today. (I will never forget the sickly sweet smell of rotting
>>>human flesh rising from the shattered remains of the cities and towns
>>>I entered.) And we can refuse ever to condone our government' s murder
>>>of unarmed and defeated prisoners of war.

>>>I realized it's difficult to admit witnessing a crime of this
>>>magnitude, especially if implicated oneself. Even G.I .s sympathetic
>>>to the victims told me they were afraid to oppose so massive a policy
>>>that would surely seek to cover its tracks. I never heard this
>>>directly from an officer, but it was the belief of the rank-and-file
>>>G.I.s I spoke to that we were not to "talk" because, first, no one
>>>would believe us, and second, we would surely get into trouble. They
>>>all insisted it was better not to talk, and slowly I too realized it
>>>would be futile and dangerous. That is, until now, thanks to James
>>>Bacque and Pat Buchanan. This is not to say the danger has passed.
>>>Since I "spoke out" recently, my mailbox has been smashed and I have
>>>received threatening phone calls. But I believe it is worth the risk.
>>>Writing about these atrocities has been a catharsis of feelings
>>>suppressed too long, a liberation, and perhaps will remind other
>>>witnesses and citizens -that "the truth shall make us free, have no
>>>fear." And, in any case, "the truth shall out".

>>>We may even learn a supreme lesson from all this: Hate is
>>>self-destructive; only love can conquer and evolve all as One.

>>>Martin Brech
>>>(Adjunct Professor,
>>>Philosophy & Religion,
>>>Mercy College;
>>>Ex-G.I., Finally Free)
>>>Martin Brech, 187 Archer Road, Mahopac, NY 10541, Tel.: 914-628-6301

>>>James Bacque: Did the Allies starve millions of Germans?


>>>Perhaps the Scheissedreck Shabbasgoy McVay wanted to further repost
>>>the following article...


Ken McVay from Nizkor seems to actually deny that something like death
camps for Germans even existed or that Germans were deliberately
starved to death (Rheinwiesenlager).
http://www.rheinwiesenlager.de/

He himself is some kind of "Holocaust Denier", when it comes to German
suffering.
Note that Nizkor virtually doesn't mention any German suffering:
http://www.nizkor.org/other-sites/genocides.html
No mentioning of Germans at all. But after all, why bother about those
subhumans that according to Nizkor and related sources "gassed
millions of Jews"?!


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid
molseter, and is known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies
must be a grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just  to justify his existence to his ZYD masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late
nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZYD COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZYDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press, 
    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZYDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.



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On 27 Nov 2005 16:19:47 -0800, "Ariadne" wrote:
>Jason P wrote:
>> By Paula Amann

>> Washington Jewish Week/Jewsweek - 2001

>> http://www.jewsweek.com/society/059.htm

>> They come to Israel from the Ukraine, Russia, and Moldova looking for
>> freedom. Instead they are sold as sex slaves. And you thought Israel
>> was holy.

>> Jewsweek.com | Their names are Natalya, Oxana or Svetlana. They come to
>> Israel, as immigrants do, for a better life. But their dreams of
>> working as a waitress, nurse, or au pair turn nightmarish upon their
>> arrival.

>> Their fellow countryman who met them at the airport, speaking the
>> language of home, takes them to a locked apartment with barred windows
>> and a phone that only takes incoming calls, where they are forced to
>> provide sexual services to strangers.

>> Those who rebel risk being raped, beaten, or starved. Even those who
>> knew they were going into prostitution are shocked by the stark
>> conditions, the pay of roughly 20 shekalim ($5) a day or less for their
>> labor.

>> This disturbing story unfolds all too often at the hotline for Migrant
>> Workers, a Tel Aviv agency founded in 1998 to protect the human rights
>> of foreign workers, victims of sex trafficking among them. The hotline
>> takes as its motto the familiar line from Exodus 22:20: "You shall not
>> wrong a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of
>> Egypt."

>> Agency director and co-founder Sigal Rozen, along with the group's
>> counsel, Nomi Levenkron, were in Washington, D.C., last week to give a
>> lecture at the Johns Hopkins Nitze School of Advanced International
>> Studies, to network and to speak with supporters. Among them are the
>> New Israel Fund, which has given the hotline a total of $19,000 during
>> the past year and a half.

>> In an interview, Rozen called sex trafficking an "unorganized crime,"
>> based largely on personal networks of immigrants from the Ukraine,
>> Russia, and Moldova.

>> "... "It's easier being a trafficker than being a plumber ..."   --Nomi
>> Levenkron

>> Those three countries alone accounted for 91 percent of the 474 women
>> arrested in brothels and deported from Israel in 2000, according to
>> figures compiled by hotline volunteers during visits to the Neveh
>> Tirzah women's prison.

>> These statistics represent only a fraction of the problem. Police
>> spokespersons have set the number of women brought into the country to
>> work in the sex industry at 2,000-3,000 annually, the number of
>> brothels at 250, Rozen said.

>> "It's Misha that knows Sasha that knows Vladimir," added Levenkron,
>> noting the economic incentive to be a pimp or work with one. "It's
>> easier being a trafficker than being a plumber."

>> One day she got a phone call from a rape crisis center where a woman
>> pleaded to be arrested and deported.

>> This young Moldovian had twice tried to escape her pimp and at 18, was
>> burned out on prostitution and just wanted to go home.

>> "She's so young and sweet," reflected Levenkron. "She came to Israel to
>> be a waitress."

>> A year ago this month, Israel passed the Law Against Trafficking Women.
>> Before that time, other laws existed against soliciting, pimping, and
>> running brothels.

>> Yet hotline staff point out that few pimps involved in trafficking ever
>> face a judge, with the majority of prostitutes deported without ever
>> facing a trial that might involve their testimony against their pimps.
>> Out of 459 women deported in 1998, only 35 cases went to trial; out of
>> 253 in 1999, a scant five ended up in the courtroom.

>> Judicial indifference is compounded by police complicity, Levenkron
>> argued.

>> The 18-year-old Moldovian, it turned out, had at one point in her
>> misadventures, found herself in a Tel Aviv police station where some of
>> the officers, who were her clients, recognized her and moved to call
>> her pimp.

>> Overhearing their plans, the woman fled and moved in with a
>> client-turned-boyfriend.

>> But somehow the pimp found her again, threatened the boyfriend. The
>> young woman, with no place to go, went back to the brothel. Now the
>> case hangs in the courts, where Levenkron has faint hopes for a
>> positive outcome.

>> The police role in such trafficking ranges from casual to highly
>> serious, she alleged.

>> "There are police who just come as clients, those who get special
>> discounts because of their good relationships with the owner of the
>> place and those that inform the owner about police operations,"
>> explained Levenkron.

>> One young Beersheva prostitute told the attorney she was forced to work
>> seven days a week unless a police raid was expected.

>> Widespread fear of violence from pimps has muted the public outcry, say
>> hotline staff. When Levenkron filed a suit on behalf of a
>> Beersheva-based woman, a 20-year-old Moldovian who had survived six
>> pimps and multiple rapes, several of the lawyer's friends came to her
>> home to bid her a final farewell, in anticipation of her imminent
>> death, she said.

>> INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM

>> Worldwide, trafficking in persons for domestic service, forced labor,
>> and prostitution ranks third after drugs and guns among the activities
>> of international crime, according to a congressional service report
>> released May 10, 2000. For comparison, about 50,000 people are brought
>> to the United States annually, the report stated.

>> The rise in trafficking seen over the 1990s was fueled by feeble
>> economies in source countries, such as the former Soviet Union and
>> Southeast Asia, along with weak penalties for traffickers, said a
>> government official familiar with these issues.

>> Last October, the United States passed its own law addressing this
>> problem, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act, which
>> calls on the State Department to report annually on the scope of
>> trafficking in various countries and measures taken to combat it. The
>> report was due for release on June 1, but its publication has been
>> delayed.

>> In Israel today, official policy on trafficking is to arrest and deport
>> foreign sex workers. The women are held for an average of 30 days under
>> crowded and sometimes harsh conditions, longer if they testify in court
>> against their pimps, according to hotline data.

>> Rozen and Levenkron take issue with this approach. "Deporting women
>> doesn't make things better," said Levenkron. "I'm tired of shouting
>> this all over Israel so I've come here [to the United States] to shout
>> about it."

>> Rozen contends that a one-year work permit in specified fields such as
>> home health care or child care, before their return home, would put the
>> former prostitutes in a stronger position to take care of themselves.

>> Gruesome albeit unsubstantiated stories abound, she says, about revenge
>> attacks on returning women and their families by the original
>> trafficker in the home country.

>> A nest egg from a year's legitimate work, Rozen suggests, would allow
>> victims to re-establish themselves in a new community and stay out of
>> the clutches of traffickers in the future.

>> Meanwhile, Levenkron is seeking professional back-up in her job
>> representing the victims of trafficking.

>> "I am the [hotline] legal department," laments Levenkron. "We need
>> lawyers and we need public awareness."



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Man muss wundern, wer hat $32 Millionen Geld, wenn es kein Plant gibt?
Ist $32 MILLIONEN  verschwunden?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:23:37 -0700, Ariadne 
wrote:

>In a half page headline story in the Edmonton Journal today in December, the
>report complains that even after more than 3 years, THERE IS STILL NOT EVEN
>THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE GEKO GARBAGE COMPUTER 
>RECYCLING PLANT IN EDMONTON,CANADA!!

>Because of the non-existence of the GEKO recycling plant, there is now 3235
>tonnes of computers piled at the site. This has caused criticism from the
>Electronic Recycling Corporation of Alberta, who recycle usable computers for
>charities. They see the waste of usable computers in the open air stockpiles,
>in mud and water because GEKO is not functioning, as being against the best
>interests of the public, and charities.

>Dieter Obergfell, of GEKO, explaining from Essen, , now claims that
>construction MIGHT start this August, 3 years later than originally proposed.

>From: Ken Levi 
>Newsgroups:
>de.soc.wirtschaft,de.soc.politik.misc,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.germany
>Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing Extra $28 MILLION?? WER
>PROFITIERT,Bundesfinanzamt?
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0700

>When GEKO claims that they will be spending more than 10 TIMES what
>the successful competitor MAXUS paid for their plant, and when MAXUS
>even paid for their land which GEKO will not, one has to ask, WHO IS
>GETTING THE EXTRA 28 MILLIONEN??

>Has Bundesfinanzamt approved the removal of the more than 30 millionen
>from Germany?

>Have the shareholders of GEKO been given all the facts regarding the
>disappearance of this money from their control?
>
>
>On 9 Nov 2004 00:39:27 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>(DanChristensen) wrote:
>
>>Here in Canada, people have another extremely interesting question, which manager of
>>GEKO Recycling Technologies Dieter Obergfell can not answer!!
>>WHY IS THE EDMONTON CANADA GARBAGE PROJECT FOR GEKO GOING TO COST 30 MILLIONEN,
>>since they do not have to pay for the land of 5 acres?
>
>>In the nearby community of Ryley, the competitor doing the same work,
>>MAXUS TECHNOLOGTY CORPORATION, paid under
>>$3 millionen, which included the cost for their land!!
>
>>WHO IS POCKETING THE EXTRA $27 MILLIONEN? WER PROFITIERT?
>
>
>>An interesting question for Deutsche Bundesfinanzamt - Did GEKO pay the taxes 
>>in Germany, on the 30 million they say they will spend/lose
>>in Edmonton, Canada?
>
>
>>A local paper in Edmonton,Canada is reporting that the firm GEKO, division of DiHAG/GEKO
>>is supposed to be spending $30 million for a computer recycling plant at the 
>>local garbage dump.
>
>>It is not clear why GEKO are building this overpriced facility.
>
>>For more than 3 years, a competitor, MAXUS Technology Corporation, has been in 
>>business in a nearby town.
>>MAXUS have also made contracts with communities throughout western Canada and 
>>also the USA, to have trainloads of computers and similar
>>materials available for processing, leaving next to no product for GEKO!!
>
>>Because GEKO did NOT build when they said they would, 2 years ago, the mayor 
>>was defeated in his bid for re- election this week!!
>
>
>>Subject: Germany Continues Boycott of Deadmonton
>>Date: 1999/07/25
>>Message-ID: <199907251430.QAA17273@mail.replay.com>#1/1
>>Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,soc.culture.german
>
>>The media report that no businesses from Germany bothered
>>to attend this year's Klondike Days in Deadmonton, (Edmonton)Canada
>
>>Even though GERMANY was the featured nation.
>
>>Could this perhaps have something to do with the snubbing
>>by Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH Smith, of the international trade
>>delegation from Germany, whom he REFUSED to meet?
>
>>Smith refused to meet with the large delegation of people from Berlin,
>>who had been scheduled by both the provincial government trade office,
>>as well as City Hall.
>
>>The trade delegation after being snubbed by Smith, then went on to
>>Calgary, where they were welcomed. They also did do considerable
>>business, in the pro-business city, unlike the welfare  dump of
>>Deadmonton.
>
>>This INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT was documented in detail in the
>>Edmonton Journal 3 times - 1 December 1995 on page B2,
>>on 12 January 1996 on page B3, and again on 28 March 1996 on page A14.
>
>>The media in Germany carried many articles, denouncing the
>>anti-German actions of Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH.
>
>>It seems that even though slick Willy squanders piles of
>>taxpayer dollars wining and dining and traipsing off to
>>Germany, the businesspeople there still remember him as
>>Burgermeister Arschloch.
>
>>That is why Deadmonton is still blackballed by thinking Germans.
>
>>Now, slick Willy is trying to con some Germans running GEKO to
>>build a recycling plant for computers, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THAT
>>THEY ARE TOO LATE!!
>
>>Another local firm MAXUS TECHNOLOGY INC. has built a multi-million dollar 
>>facility near Edmonton, already operating, to handle millions of tonnes of old computers from all over 
>>Canada and the USA!!
>
>>Are Germans so stupid as to believe a mayor, whose own business as
>>a used tire dealer went under?? Ask Michelin about B & D Tiretown,
>>or even ask Jan Reimer who brought it up in the election campaign...
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:29:35 +1100, "Just JT" 
wrote:
>"Daeron"  wrote:

>> As it happens, yes I am Australian so yes the drugs were intended for me
>> and my nation. But neither I nor my community want Nguyen to be executed
>> for trying to do this stupid and wicked thing for his brother.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>F*ck off and speak for yourself, bleeding heart lefty! I live am Australian 
>and I AM HAPPY THAT THIS SCUMBAG DRUG CARRIER NGUYEN WILL PAY FOR HIS LIFE. 
>Australia should REINTRODUCE the death penalty for heinous crimes such as 
>DRUG TRAFFICKING.

>> And I see no reason that Singapore should have to pay for his imprisonment
>> either, just because it managed to pickup this person in transit whom the
>> Australian customs may or may not have caught. I think it is only fair 
>> that
>> he be transported to Australia for Australia to pay the costs.
>~~~~~~~~~~~~
>F*CK OFF AGAIN. Our taxpayers' money is better spent on PROTECTING and 
>SUPPORTING LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS like you and me. These CRIMINALS SHOULD ALL 
>DIE DIE DIE!!

>SINGAPORE, I SALUTE YOU FOR EXECUTING THIS DRUG CARRIER!!!

Singapore must be thanked for saving taxpayers in Australia many
millions in costs and maintenance of this garbage creature.
Send Singapore a good present for Chinese New Year 29 January.

Be sure to include for immediate extermination, those judges who have
approved special rights for the AIDS-spreading fags, as well as judges
giving special deals for multiple murderers!!

In much of Europe, and the Middle East, such disease spreaders get
their just punishment, which in some cases merits the DP!

Tomorrow another drug dealer will get the Singapore Long Drop!!
HOORAY!!

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:34:37 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
 wrote:

>DP=Good Ways to Eliminate Garbage,especially AIDS-spreading fags, and multiple murderers!!

>This is an old article, which certainly is germane,
>since many US states, and foreign countries are
>starting to agree with the policies of Don Kool.

>There has been much discussion regarding the advantages
>of televising executions.

>A few more thoughts on the subject.

>The State can in fact auction off the rights to each and every
>execution. The proceeds thereof could be allocated to the
>VICTIMS of the criminals executed.

>The victims and their families should have the RIGHT to
>not only determine the method of execution, but should also
>have the right and privilege of executing the criminals themselves.

>Some of the types of criminals meriting execution,
>but not limited to such, would include:

>         AIDS spreaders
>         rapists
>         drug dealers
>         home invaders
>         armed robbers
>         pederasts and similar child molesters
>         crooked liars/lawyers
>         corrupt judges
>         corrupt politicians
>         insane anti-DP supporters such as despicable Desi??
>         members of parole boards allowing dangerous criminals free
>         useless psychiatrists & welfare staff responsible for
>              criminals being released

>Additional reasons for meriting the death penalty would include:

>any spreader of any disease,including STD - this would
>     obviously  include most faggots
>white collar criminals causing losses of more than 100,000
>     dollars  (just ask senior citizens who have been swindled,
>     how they would   exterminate those who preyed upon them!!)

>More suggestions for both categories are invited.

>Some popular methods for extermination of such vermin would include:

>         crucifixion, as recommended by intphase
>         vivisection
>         medical experiments without anaesthetic
>         target practice for police and military
>         beheading
>         hanging
>         barbecueing by electrocution
>         drawing & quartering
>         guillotining, very popular in France
>         flaying alive until dead
>         stoning to death - popular in some jurisdictions

>Suggestions are invited, on all the above points.


If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit  www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth 
is a revolutionary act." 
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages. 
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, 
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely, 
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak 
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if 
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant  

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an 
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer 
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant


Posted by: 
Patrick Lee Humphrey
7500 Bellerive #1807
Houston, Texas 77036-3040
1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive & 
Henry 
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even 
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.


Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is 
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material 
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like 
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and
is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a
grosvenor!! 
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just 
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or  
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" 

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
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They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

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and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a 
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: "George" 




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Nochmal fragen - 
Wenn es wirklich kein Plant in Kanada gibt, dann wer hat die 32
MILLIONEN?  Ist GEKO dann kaput?

Kann Bundesfinanzamt erklaeren?


>On Tue, 16 May 2006 17:04:45 GMT, Asterix
> wrote:
>>On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:58:34 -0600, Chief Instigator
>> wrote:
>
>>>In a half page headline story in the Edmonton Journal today 15 August 2005,
>>>the report complains that even after more than 3 years, THERE IS STILL NOT
>>>EVEN THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE GEKO GARBAGE 
>>>COMPUTER RECYCLING PLANT IN EDMONTON,CANADA!!
>>
>>>Because of the non-existence of the GEKO recycling plant, there is now 3235
>>>tonnes of computers piled at the site. This has caused criticism from the
>>>Electronic Recycling Corporation of Alberta, who recycle usable computers for
>>>charities. They see the waste of usable computers in the open air stockpiles,
>>>in mud and water because GEKO is not functioning, as being against the best
>>>interests of the public, and charities.
>>
>>>Dieter Obergfell, of GEKO, explaining from Essen, , now claims that
>>>construction MIGHT start this August, 3 years later than originally proposed.
>>
>>Bis jetzt, keine Plant!!
>>Wo ist 32 Millionen?
>>
>>
>>>From: Ken Levi 
>>>Newsgroups:
>>>de.soc.wirtschaft,de.soc.politik.misc,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.germany
>>>Subject: Re: GEKO-Who Is Pocketing Extra $28 MILLION?? WER
>>>PROFITIERT,Bundesfinanzamt?
>>>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 09:28:28 -0700
>>
>>>When GEKO claims that they will be spending more than 10 TIMES what
>>>the successful competitor MAXUS paid for their plant, and when MAXUS
>>>even paid for their land which GEKO will not, one has to ask, WHO IS
>>>GETTING THE EXTRA 28 MILLIONEN??
>>
>>>Has Bundesfinanzamt approved the removal of the more than 30 millionen
>>>from Germany?
>>
>>>Have the shareholders of GEKO been given all the facts regarding the
>>>disappearance of this money from their control?
>>
>>>
>>>On 9 Nov 2004 00:39:27 -0000, Anonymous-Remailer@See.Comment.Header
>>>(DanChristensen) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here in Canada, people have another extremely interesting question, which manager of
>>>>GEKO Recycling Technologies Dieter Obergfell can not answer!!
>>>>WHY IS THE EDMONTON CANADA GARBAGE PROJECT FOR GEKO GOING TO COST 30 MILLIONEN,
>>>>since they do not have to pay for the land of 5 acres?
>>>
>>>>In the nearby community of Ryley, the competitor doing the same work,
>>>>MAXUS TECHNOLOGTY CORPORATION, paid under
>>>>$3 millionen, which included the cost for their land!!
>>>
>>>>WHO IS POCKETING THE EXTRA $27 MILLIONEN? WER PROFITIERT?
>>>
>>>
>>>>An interesting question for Deutsche Bundesfinanzamt - Did GEKO pay the taxes 
>>>>in Germany, on the 30 million they say they will spend/lose
>>>>in Edmonton, Canada?
>>>
>>>
>>>>A local paper in Edmonton,Canada is reporting that the firm GEKO, division of DiHAG/GEKO
>>>>is supposed to be spending $30 million for a computer recycling plant at the 
>>>>local garbage dump.
>>>
>>>>It is not clear why GEKO are building this overpriced facility.
>>>
>>>>For more than 3 years, a competitor, MAXUS Technology Corporation, has been in 
>>>>business in a nearby town.
>>>>MAXUS have also made contracts with communities throughout western Canada and 
>>>>also the USA, to have trainloads of computers and similar
>>>>materials available for processing, leaving next to no product for GEKO!!
>>>
>>>>Because GEKO did NOT build when they said they would, 2 years ago, the mayor 
>>>>was defeated in his bid for re- election this week!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>Subject: Germany Continues Boycott of Deadmonton
>>>>Date: 1999/07/25
>>>>Message-ID: <199907251430.QAA17273@mail.replay.com>#1/1
>>>>Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,soc.culture.german
>>>
>>>>The media report that no businesses from Germany bothered
>>>>to attend this year's Klondike Days in Deadmonton, (Edmonton)Canada
>>>
>>>>Even though GERMANY was the featured nation.
>>>
>>>>Could this perhaps have something to do with the snubbing
>>>>by Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH Smith, of the international trade
>>>>delegation from Germany, whom he REFUSED to meet?
>>>
>>>>Smith refused to meet with the large delegation of people from Berlin,
>>>>who had been scheduled by both the provincial government trade office,
>>>>as well as City Hall.
>>>
>>>>The trade delegation after being snubbed by Smith, then went on to
>>>>Calgary, where they were welcomed. They also did do considerable
>>>>business, in the pro-business city, unlike the welfare  dump of
>>>>Deadmonton.
>>>
>>>>This INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT was documented in detail in the
>>>>Edmonton Journal 3 times - 1 December 1995 on page B2,
>>>>on 12 January 1996 on page B3, and again on 28 March 1996 on page A14.
>>>
>>>>The media in Germany carried many articles, denouncing the
>>>>anti-German actions of Burgermeister ARSCHLOCH.
>>>
>>>>It seems that even though slick Willy squanders piles of
>>>>taxpayer dollars wining and dining and traipsing off to
>>>>Germany, the businesspeople there still remember him as
>>>>Burgermeister Arschloch.
>>>
>>>>That is why Deadmonton is still blackballed by thinking Germans.
>>>
>>>>Now, slick Willy is trying to con some Germans running GEKO to
>>>>build a recycling plant for computers, WITHOUT TELLING THEM THAT
>>>>THEY ARE TOO LATE!!
>>>
>>>>Another local firm MAXUS TECHNOLOGY INC. has built a multi-million dollar 
>>>>facility near Edmonton, already operating, to handle millions of tonnes of old computers from all over 
>>>>Canada and the USA!!
>>>
>>>>Are Germans so stupid as to believe a mayor, whose own business as
>>>>a used tire dealer went under?? Ask Michelin about B & D Tiretown,
>>>>or even ask Jan Reimer who brought it up in the election campaign...
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With even the Soviets forced to admit that it was their ZYD NKVD who
did the murders at KATYN, why are you apologising for them?

Historians and experts proved it was NOT the Germans!

Were you one of the killers, or perhaps your father, uncle or?


On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:54:59 -0700, "Peter Wielki" 
wrote:

>Actually, in Katyn there were Russians and Ukraninians that did the crime, 
>as far as I know.
>
>But yeah, let's blame it on JEWS!!!  Germans did it too, right Frankie?


>"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
>news:ummva2ddrk9aik6jnqimp9mseb9b5ap4g1@4ax.com...
>> True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZYDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary of 
>> the
>> discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland 
>> had
>> been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated to 
>> The
>> Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis, who
>> invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely used 
>> the
>> word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler learned, 
>> as
>> dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers from a 
>> single
>> narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: its intent was 
>> to
>> eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its perceived
>> guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the
>> exiled Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn, 
>> outside
>> Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and
>> the terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the 
>> relationship
>> between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him, 
>> awarding
>> him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his future murder 
>> victims.
>> And when Stalin jested that they should settle the German problem once and 
>> for
>> all by killing 50,000 German officers, Churchill merely protested sulkily, 
>> and
>> Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one 
>> by
>> which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three knew 
>> of
>> the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, all 
>> three -
>> two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich 
>> five
>> years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn: once
>> Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with almost
>> anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn into 
>> the
>> diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan Government 
>> in
>> the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a memorial in London to the
>> victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>>>Katyn
>>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>
>>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>
>>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>
>>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>>of Poland.
>>
>>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>>in 1940.
>>
>>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>>>along the River Bug.
>>
>>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>
>>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>
>>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>
>>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>>>Russia.
>>
>>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>>>FBI.
>>
>>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>>>of them did.
>>
>>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>
>>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>
>>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>>>killings.
>>
>> ISRAEL REFUSED TO PROSECUTE THESAE ZHID MURDERERS!!
>>
>>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>
>>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>>>back to their governments.
>>
>>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>
>>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>
>>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>>>decided.
>>
>>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>
>>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>>feeling.
>>
>>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews/ZHIDS  isn't surprising. What is
>>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>
>>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>
>> ++++++++++++++
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>>
>> First,let us kill all the lawyers! - W.Shakespeare
>> First, we get rid of all the politicians! - Mao tse Dung
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled-as fertiliser!!
>> Me
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Newsgroups:
>> pl.regionalne.krakow,pl.regionalne.lodz,pl.regionalne.warszawa,soc.culture.polish,alt.politics.europe
>> Subject: KATYN=MURDERS BY ZHIDS/SOVIET NKVD!!! True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZHIDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:
>> soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary
>> of the discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland
>> had been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated
>> to The Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis,
>> who invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely
>> used the word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler
>> learned, as dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers
>> from a single narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: 
>> its
>> intent was to eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its
>> perceived guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the exiled
>> Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn,
>> outside Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. 
>> A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and the
>> terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the
>> relationship between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him,
>> awarding him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his
>> future murder victims. And when Stalin jested that they should settle the
>> German problem once and for all by killing 50,000 German officers, 
>> Churchill
>> merely protested sulkily, and Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing
>> only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one
>> by which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three
>> knew of the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, 
>> all
>> three - two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to
>> those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich
>> five years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn:
>> once Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with
>> almost anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn
>> into the diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan
>> Government in the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a
>> memorial in London to the victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>> >>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>> >>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>> >>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>> >>>>Katyn
>>> >>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>> >>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>> >>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>> >>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>> >>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>> >>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>> >>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>> >>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>> >>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>> >>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>> >>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>> >>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>> >>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>> >>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>> >>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>> >>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>> >>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>> >>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>> >>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>
>>> >>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>> >>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>> >>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>> >>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>> >>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>
>>> >>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>> >>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>> >>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>> >>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>> >>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>> >>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>> >>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>
>>> >>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>> >>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>> >>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>> >>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>> >>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>> >>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>> >>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>> >>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>> >>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>> >>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>> >>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>> >>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>> >>>>of Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>> >>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>> >>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>> >>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>> >>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>> >>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>> >>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>> >>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>> >>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>> >>>>in 1940.
>>
>>> >>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>> >>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>> >>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>> >>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>> >>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>> >>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>> >>>>along the River Bug.
>>
>>> >>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>> >>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>> >>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>> >>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>> >>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>> >>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>> >>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>> >>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>> >>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>> >>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>> >>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>> >>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>> >>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>> >>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>> >>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>> >>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>> >>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>> >>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>> >>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>> >>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>> >>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>> >>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>> >>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>
>>> >>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>> >>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>> >>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>> >>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>> >>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>> >>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>> >>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>> >>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>> >>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>> >>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>> >>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>
>>> >>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>> >>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>> >>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>> >>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>> >>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>> >>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>> >>>>Russia.
>>
>>> >>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>> >>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>> >>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>> >>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>> >>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>> >>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>> >>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>> >>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>> >>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>> >>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>> >>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>> >>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>> >>>>FBI.
>>
>>> >>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>> >>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>> >>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>> >>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>> >>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>> >>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>> >>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>> >>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>> >>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>> >>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>> >>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>> >>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>> >>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>> >>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>> >>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>> >>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>> >>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>> >>>>of them did.
>>
>>> >>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>> >>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>> >>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>> >>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>> >>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>> >>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>> >>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>> >>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>> >>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>> >>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>> >>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>> >>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>
>>> >>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>> >>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>> >>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>> >>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>> >>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>> >>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>> >>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>> >>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>> >>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>> >>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>> >>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>> >>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>> >>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>> >>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>
>>> >>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>> >>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>> >>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>> >>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>> >>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>> >>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>> >>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>> >>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>> >>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>> >>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>> >>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>> >>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>> >>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>> >>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>> >>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>> >>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>> >>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>> >>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>> >>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>> >>>>killings.
>>
>>> >>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>> >>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>> >>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>> >>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>> >>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>> >>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>> >>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>> >>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>> >>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>> >>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>> >>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>> >>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>> >>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>> >>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>> >>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>> >>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>
>>> >>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>> >>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>> >>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>> >>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>> >>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>> >>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>> >>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>> >>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>> >>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>> >>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>> >>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>> >>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>> >>>>back to their governments.
>>
>>> >>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>> >>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>> >>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>> >>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>> >>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>> >>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>> >>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>
>>> >>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>> >>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>> >>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>> >>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>> >>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>> >>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>> >>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>> >>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>> >>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>> >>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>> >>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>> >>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>> >>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>
>>> >>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>> >>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>> >>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>> >>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>> >>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>> >>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>> >>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>> >>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>> >>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>> >>>>decided.
>>
>>> >>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>> >>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>> >>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>> >>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>> >>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>> >>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>> >>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>> >>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>> >>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>> >>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>> >>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>> >>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>> >>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>
>>> >>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>> >>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>> >>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>> >>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>> >>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>> >>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>> >>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>> >>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>> >>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>> >>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>> >>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>> >>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>> >>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>> >>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>> >>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>> >>>>feeling.
>>
>>> >>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is
>>> >>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>> >>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>> >>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>> >>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>> >>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>> >>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>> >>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>> >>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>> >>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>
>>> >>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>> >>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>> >>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>> >>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>
>>> >>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>> >>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>> >>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>> >>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>
>>> >>>>++++++++++++++
>>
>>> >>>>American Renaissance
>>> >>>>http://www.amren.com
>>
>>> >>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>> >>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>
>>> >>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>> >>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>
>>> >>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>> >>>>http://www.14words.com
>>
>>> >>>>National Alliance
>>> >>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>
>>> >>>>Stormfront
>>> >>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>
>>> >>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>> >>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>> I like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, PAMYAT, HAMAS or Aryan Nations,etc.
>>
>> CALL late nights best, or even VISIT me:
>> Donald Ray Ellis
>> aka Pat Blakely/RevWhite/Mike Kalvatis/Rob Stewart ET AL
>> 108 E. Victory Street
>> Star City, Arkansas 71667
>> Tel: (870) 628-1437
>> Email: voiceofreason@blakely.harrogate.net
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> Posted by:
>> Patrick Lee Humphrey
>> 7500 Bellerive #1807
>> Houston, Texas 77036-3040
>> 1-713-266-7764
>>
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576
>>
>> together with
>>
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
>>
>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132
>>
>>
>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431
>>
>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.
>>
>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>>
>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>>
>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
>>
>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late 
>> nights.
>>
>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473
>>
>> And also: George Firestone: "George" 
>>
>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
>>
>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com
>>
>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
>>
>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
>>    Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
>>    Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
>>
>> Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
>> They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
>>
>> They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
>> and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
>>
>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
>>
>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.
>>
>> Reply-To: "George" 
>>
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At least there are some good people in Poland, prepared to condemn the
AIDS-spreading fags!!

If only their policies could be transferred to Britain, France and the
US and Canada!

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:27:00 GMT, NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote:
>For gays and lesbians, today's Poland like 1930s Germany
>
>Via NY Transfer News Collective  *  All the News that Doesn't Fit
> 
>The Irish Times - Mar 22, 2006
>http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2006/0322/1927956584FR22WARSAWLETTER.html
>
>'For gays and lesbians, today's Poland is like 1930s Germany' 
> 
>by Daniel McLaughlin: 
>
>He has been attacked by skinheads and threatened by police, but Szymon
>Niemiec can only see life in Poland getting even tougher. "For gays and
>lesbians, today's Poland is like 1930s Germany," he says. "We are ruled 
>by a fascist party, which uses the same language and ideas as Hitler."
>
>As a prominent gay rights campaigner, Mr Niemiec (25) has long been a
>target for extremist groups, but since the election of the Law and
>Justice party last autumn he has felt a new wave of prejudice coursing
>through deeply Catholic, conservative Poland.
>
>"The police even visited my home," he says, "and they told me they were
>ready to do what they did in 1985, when hundreds of gays and lesbians
>were rounded up and interrogated by the communist security services."
>
>Law and Justice (PiS) came to power promising to purge the European
>Union's largest new member of corruption, cronyism and disparities of
>wealth that have sent the Warsaw skyline soaring while the elderly
>struggle and unemployment nudges 20 per cent.
>
>Many however see a dark side to the party's "moral revolution" and the
>rhetoric of other social conservatives now challenging for power across
>central Europe.
>
>Human Rights Watch has accused President Lech Kaczynski of presiding
>over "official homophobia" in Poland, where as mayor of Warsaw he banned
>gay parades and said he was "not willing to meet perverts".
>
>His twin brother, Jaroslaw, the leader of PiS, has said gays should not
>teach in schools, while prime minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz has
>called homosexuality an "unnatural" thing that the state must prevent
>from "infecting" the general public.
>
>"These are Catholic fundamentalists," says Tomasz Szypula, of Poland's
>Campaign Against Homophobia. "They talk about total prohibition of
>abortion, and one of the first things they did after taking power was
>abolish the government office for gender equality, which dealt with all
>forms of prejudice here."
>
>It also helped fund many minority rights groups and was the kind of
>anti- discrimination body that the EU demands in all member states.
>Critics say its abolition exemplified the government's scorn for
>Brussels.
>
>"Some of the new EU members signed up to decrees to get into the EU but
>now treat them like an a la carte menu on which they can ignore what
>they don't like," says Michael Cashman, an English MEP.
>
>"This is part of a Catholic fundamentalism, aided and abetted by the
>image of the dead pope," he said, referring to Polish pontiff John Paul
>II, who died last April, "and they think that anyone who undermines
>their idea of the family should be denied fundamental rights."
>
>Events in Poland and moves to ban gay marriage in Latvia and Lithuania
>prompted the European Parliament to pass a resolution against homophobia
>in January. Only six of 54 Polish MEPs backed the motion, and many say
>the EU cannot hope to match the influence of the Catholic Church on
>Poland's new government.
>
>President Kaczynski's first foreign trip was to the Vatican, and
>government officials frequently give exclusive interviews to the print
>and broadcast media run by controversial Catholic priest Tadeusz Rydzyk.
>
>Through five decades of communist rule, the church survived as a symbol
>of resistance and Polish identity. Now, for millions of Poles struggling
>to adapt to free-market life, it is again the rallying point for a
>return to traditional, national values.
>
>"The EU is seen as a godless, atheist, immoral, liberal thing," says
>Marek Antoni Nowicki, the head of the Helsinki Foundation for Human
>Rights in Warsaw. "For Catholic societies like Poland's, that creates a
>psychological distance."
>
>This year's elections in Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic also
>look likely to favour right-wing eurosceptics with a streak of social
>conservatism.
>
>Slovakia's coalition government collapsed recently when its biggest
>party blocked a bill to give Catholics the right to refuse certain
>duties on religious grounds.
>
>Czech homosexuals lambasted their president for vetoing a law to extend
>the rights of same-sex partners, with a ruling that activist Jiri
>Hromada called "a tragic decision from a medieval monarch".
>
>Mr Cashman calls intolerance "a worrying trend in eastern Europe". "We
>mustn't let a shift to more right-wing governments undermine the rights
>of minorities, or let people use hate-speak to appeal to voters."
>
>The rhetoric of intolerance rarely spawns violence in Poland, but Mr
>Nowicki sees danger in recent government attacks on the independent
>media and judiciary.
>
>"It is not about the government passing certain laws, but creating a
>certain atmosphere," he says. "Safeguards exist, and we have to prevent
>their erosion. If they want a war then it has at least one positive
>aspect - that there are many people here ready to fight them."
>
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Subject: Re: Christian Girls Sold to ZYD Sex Slavery!!
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When your wife, daughter or girlfriend is sold into sex slavery for
the ZYDS, then perhaps you might have some compassions!!

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:53:59 -0400, Vladimir Makarenko
 wrote:

>According to number of times you posted it here there left no Christian
>girls to sell. And we Christians don't give a damn about girls of other
>confessions. 
>Could you please switch to some alt.business?
>VM.

>Chief Instigator wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:04:35 -0700, Susan Shiksa Cohen
>>  wrote:

>> Russian girls who are beautiful, as well as Polish and Ukrainian
>> girls, are all sold on the open slave markets in ZHID Israel, where
>> white slavery is legal.

>> >On 25 Oct 2004 11:21:36 -0000, DerTavish 
>> >wrote:

>> >>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, convicted of child molesting
>> >>and car theft in California and Oregon, the
>> >>well-known fag in Canada,Fag McVay of Vancouver,
>> >>and still unemployed  gas pump boy, mastermind of
>> >>the Canadian branch of NAMBLA, finally dying as a diseased
>> >>AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>> >>about all his fellow criminals and perverts.
>> >>Here is the latest.......

>> >>From: Rameses 
>> >>Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian
>> >>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:40:57 -0700
 
>> >>The June 16 Saturday supplement to the Jerusalem Post reported:

>> >>"Every year hundreds of women, and an unknown number of
>> >>girls under the age of 18, are bought, sold, drugged,
>> >>imprisoned, and forced to work as prostitutes in Israel's
>> >>thriving sex industry.
 
>> >>In countries such as Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary,
>> >>traffickers prey on desperate women. Facing poverty, the
>> >>women are lured to Israel with the promise that they will
>> >>make fabulous salaries working as teachers or caregivers.

>> >>In Israel prostitution is not illegal. Nor is there
>> >>legislation against trafficking or slavery".

>> >>With the governments of eastern Europe controlled by the
>> >>evil mafia bosses that profit from this trade, don't
>> >>expect anything to be done about this sickening crime
>> >>against humanity.


>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
 
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)

>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
 
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)

>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant


>> Posted by:
>> Steven Horn (KCOM)
>> 1836 NW 11th St
>> Oklahoma City, OK 73106
>> (405) 524-0576

>> together with
 
>> Boris Dynin  = NAMBLA executive &
>> Henry who like
>> late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
>> Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
>> I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
>> We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

>> CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
>> Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
>> VISIT me at:
>> 55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco  94132

>> Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
>> office: VISIT at:
>> #5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
>> Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
>> or call: 1-250-616-9431

>> As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>> called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>> should give an indication as to the why.

>> "I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>> proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>> yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>> seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>> my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>> moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>> http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>> also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

>> Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
>> a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>> even if he or she were not naked"?
>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

>> For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
>> background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
>> detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
>> known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
>> It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
>> to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

>> Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
>> NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
>> Email  me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.

>> Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
>> Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
>> I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787  or
>> send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
>> work:(780)492-0473

>> Here is Fag Rianin's own web page:  http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
>> Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

>> For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
>> JEW-WATCH:
>> http://www.jewwatch.com

>> Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
>> NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
>> people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

>> Or, other useful websites include:
>> ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
>> IHR - www.ihr.org
>> OSTARA - www.ostara.org
>> PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
>> Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
>> AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
>> THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
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>> As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
>> victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
>> of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
>> May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

>> In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
>> for many years around the world.

>> Reply-To: "George" 



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With even the Soviets forced to admit that it was their ZYD NKVD who
did the murders at KATYN, why are you apologising for them?

Historians and experts proved it was NOT the Germans!

Were you one of the killers, or perhaps your father, uncle or?


On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:54:59 -0700, "Peter Wielki" 
wrote:

>Actually, in Katyn there were Russians and Ukraninians that did the crime, 
>as far as I know.
>
>But yeah, let's blame it on JEWS!!!  Germans did it too, right Frankie?


>"Frank Arthur"  wrote in message 
>news:ummva2ddrk9aik6jnqimp9mseb9b5ap4g1@4ax.com...
>> True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZYDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary of 
>> the
>> discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland 
>> had
>> been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated to 
>> The
>> Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis, who
>> invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely used 
>> the
>> word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler learned, 
>> as
>> dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers from a 
>> single
>> narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: its intent was 
>> to
>> eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its perceived
>> guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the
>> exiled Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn, 
>> outside
>> Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and
>> the terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the 
>> relationship
>> between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him, 
>> awarding
>> him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his future murder 
>> victims.
>> And when Stalin jested that they should settle the German problem once and 
>> for
>> all by killing 50,000 German officers, Churchill merely protested sulkily, 
>> and
>> Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one 
>> by
>> which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three knew 
>> of
>> the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, all 
>> three -
>> two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich 
>> five
>> years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn: once
>> Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with almost
>> anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn into 
>> the
>> diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan Government 
>> in
>> the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a memorial in London to the
>> victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>>>Katyn
>>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>
>>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>
>>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>
>>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>>of Poland.
>>
>>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>>in 1940.
>>
>>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>>>along the River Bug.
>>
>>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>
>>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>
>>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>
>>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>>>Russia.
>>
>>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>>>FBI.
>>
>>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>>>of them did.
>>
>>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>
>>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>
>>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>>>killings.
>>
>> ISRAEL REFUSED TO PROSECUTE THESAE ZHID MURDERERS!!
>>
>>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>
>>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>>>back to their governments.
>>
>>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>
>>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>
>>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>>>decided.
>>
>>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>
>>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>>feeling.
>>
>>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews/ZHIDS  isn't surprising. What is
>>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>
>>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>
>>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>
>> ++++++++++++++
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>> http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>
>>
>> First,let us kill all the lawyers! - W.Shakespeare
>> First, we get rid of all the politicians! - Mao tse Dung
>> Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled-as fertiliser!!
>> Me
>>
>> "At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
>> is a revolutionary act."
>> (George Orwell)
>>
>> David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
>>
>> "All truth passes through three stages.
>> First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
>> and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
>> (Arthur Schopenhauer)
>>
>> "The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
>> but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
>> falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
>> they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
>> against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
>>
>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
>> and impossible to ignore."
>> --John Bryant
>>
>>
>> If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
>> then visit  www.freedomsite.org
>>
>> Newsgroups:
>> pl.regionalne.krakow,pl.regionalne.lodz,pl.regionalne.warszawa,soc.culture.polish,alt.politics.europe
>> Subject: KATYN=MURDERS BY ZHIDS/SOVIET NKVD!!! True,Just Like Vinnitsa!!
>>
>> The filthy ZHIDS can no longer lie about KATYN and try to blame the
>> Germans.
>>
>> Even the Soviets had to admit the truth, and also about Vinnitsa.
>>
>> No wonder around the world more and more people are starting to really
>> dislike the filthy ZHIDS!!
>>
>>
>> Latest update follows:
>> From: "Strider" 
>> Newsgroups:
>> soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.israel,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.australian,soc.culture.yugoslavia
>> Subject: Jewish Copmmissars murdered these Poles
>>
>> Our shame still lies in the Katyn forest
>> By Kevin Myers
>> (Filed: 27/04/2003)
>>
>>
>> Today Poles all over the world will commemorate the 60th anniversary
>> of the discovery of the war crime which didn't occur. And the
>> non-existence of this atrocity constituted democracy's most sordid 
>> exercise in
>> realpolitik of the entire 20th century. The Soviet Union captured 180,000
>> Polish soldiers during its invasion of Poland in 1939. Most were herded 
>> off to
>> slave-camps in Siberia, but 22,000 officers were not. In April 1940, on
>> Stalin's orders, each was bound with barbed wire and executed with a 
>> single
>> shot to the head.
>>
>> This was a colossal undertaking: the death toll was greater than that
>> on the most calamitous day in British military history - the Somme, July 
>> 1,
>> 1916.
>> More importantly, the massacres occurred before the German invasions
>> of France and the Low Countries. And although hundreds of Jews in Poland
>> had been murdered, these were improvised butcheries, essentially unrelated
>> to The Final Solution, which had not yet begun.
>>
>> So the first systematic mass murder of defenceless innocents in the
>> Second World War was not by the Nazis, but by the Soviet Union, just over 
>> a
>> year before the USSR became Britain's official best friend. This shouldn't
>> surprise us: after all, it had been the Soviets, and not the Nazis,
>> who invented industrialised murder. From the revolution on, they freely
>> used the word "exterminate" of their enemies. Hitler listened; and Hitler
>> learned, as dictators do. Moreover, the careful murder of so many officers
>> from a single narrow stratum of Polish society was truly proto-genocide: 
>> its
>> intent was to eliminate Polish identity by the extermination of all its
>> perceived guardians.
>>
>> In 1943, via two sources - through a population census within the exiled
>> Polish community living in the USSR, and from the Germans, who had
>> discovered the site of one of the massacres, in the woods of Katyn,
>> outside Smolensk - the British discovered the fate of the Polish officers. 
>> A
>> devastating report from the British ambassador to the Polish
>> government-in-exile, Owen O'Malley, left no doubt about the matter.
>>
>> The British Government's public response was to dismiss the Nazi
>> discoveries as propaganda and tell the Polish government-in-exile to 
>> forget
>> Katyn and to proceed with beating the real enemy, Germany.
>>
>> War is war, and in peace it is impossible to replicate the fevers and the
>> terrors it induces. So no useful moral judgment can be made about
>> those who decided in 1943 publicly to accept lies as fact, and to conceal 
>> the
>> truth as regrettable but necessary strategy. But it was statecraft at its 
>> most
>> pusillanimous to allow those lies to become a cornerstone of the
>> relationship between the Western allies and the Soviet Union.
>>
>> That is what happened when the three leaders - Churchill, Roosevelt
>> and Stalin - met at Teheran in November 1943. Far from berating the Soviet
>> Leader for the massacres, the two democratic leaders propitiated him,
>> awarding him the Polish land he had stolen even as he seized his
>> future murder victims. And when Stalin jested that they should settle the
>> German problem once and for all by killing 50,000 German officers, 
>> Churchill
>> merely protested sulkily, and Roosevelt light-heartedly suggested killing
>> only 49,000.
>>
>> But nobody mentioned Katyn. How was this possible? For the massacre of
>> the Poles was surely the secret subtext to this grisly exchange, and one
>> by which Stalin was taking the measure of his two confreres. All three
>> knew of the murders, and the bodyguard of lies around them: and silently, 
>> all
>> three - two of them abjectly, the third triumphantly - assented to
>> those lies.
>>
>> Teheran was the true nadir of international diplomacy, morally far
>> more ignoble and strategically far more catastrophic than either Munich
>> five years before or Yalta a year later. And the key to Teheran was Katyn:
>> once Stalin had got away with that, he realised he could get away with
>> almost anything.
>>
>> Moreover, the fiction of Katyn took root within the Foreign Office.
>> There, nourished on complicit cowardice and malformed in the darkness of
>> pathological guilt, the temporary tactic of 1943 was in time to turn
>> into the diseased plant of enduring policy. It even caused the Callaghan
>> Government in the 1970s vehemently to oppose the erection of a
>> memorial in London to the victims of Katyn.
>>
>> Denial, in its purest psychiatric sense, of Katyn also infused much
>> consideration of the 20th century: how else could Roy Jenkins have
>> written a life of Churchill without once referring to Katyn, the Great Lie 
>> of
>> which the prime minister was prime mover? How else could so many 
>> historians
>> -
>> Norman Davies aside - simply ignore the extraordinary Western
>> collusion in covering up communist atrocities, and the profound impact 
>> this
>> must have had on Kremlin thinking?
>>
>> On Thursday the FCO publishes a report, British reactions to the Katyn
>> Massacre, in a belated attempt at expiation for Britain's repeated
>> cover-ups of this terrible affair. But it cannot undo the evil of the
>> extermination of the Polish officer corps which, far from being the 
>> subject of
>> a war-crimes trial, was embraced and rewarded at Teheran; and from that 
>> city,
>> the communism of Katyn was soon to march forth and conquer half the world.
>>
>> My thanks to you for reposting this article.
>> A brilliant truthful piece.
>> Ed Kadach
>>
>> mahdi@alahram.com wrote:
>>> >>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>> >>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>> >>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>
>>> >>>>Katyn
>>> >>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>
>>> >>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>> >>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>> >>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>> >>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>> >>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>> >>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>> >>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>> >>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>> >>>>during the Second World War.
>>
>>> >>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>> >>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>> >>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>> >>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>> >>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>> >>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>> >>>>Jews tried to proceed wi