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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:27:17 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:33:07 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote:
>
>>This article is recovered from dejanews, and merits discussion again
>>
>>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:54:52 +1000, petermac@dynamite.com.au (Peter
>>Mackay) wrote:
>>>In article ,
>>>s.souter@edfac.usyd.edu.au (Stephen Souter) wrote:
>>>>} Something about a "list", wasn't it?
>>>>Spindler's List
>>
>>You mean Swindler's List, or perhaps Libeler's List??
>>
>>>Peter Mackay, Campbell
>>>Peter Lucas, Bulimba
>>>petermac@dynamite.com.au
>>>http://www.netinfo.com.au/~petermac
>>
>>For the benefit of those able to read, enjoy the following:
>>
>>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:03:14 GMT, peterjames@usa.net (Peter James)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:34:22 +1000, Brian 
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:36:20 +1000, Brian 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>> >On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> I have a question:
>>
>>>>> >[snip]
>>>*******************************************************************************************
>>>(PJ)
>> 
>>>>> And were you indicting the Israelis on a charge of "Genocide" against
>>>>> the Palestinian Nation?
>>
>>
>>>(BR)
>>>>	Essentially, yes, I was.   I made and still do make the point 
>>>>that all too often the Israelis have engaged in making use of the same 
>>>>tactics against the Palestinians as the Nazis did against the Jews and 
>>>>other occupied peoples of Europe.
>>
>>Come to think of it, last year there was amajor news story, detailing
>>the active involvement of JEWs with Hitler's military!!!
>>
>>article follows
>>
>>On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:03:42 GMT, torquemada@inquisition.org decided
>>to say, in soc.culture.malaysia, using 202 valuable lines of text:
>>
>>>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:27:32 -0600, bushbadee@juno.com wrote:
>>>>In article <353fd933.625226@news.datanet.ab.ca>, torquemada@inquisition.org
>>>>writes:
>>
>>>>>n the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>>And you ass hole worship a Jew, so what does that make you.
>>
>>>Actually Christ was murdered by the JEWs, because he exposed their
>>>criminal activities, even the money-changing in the temples!!!
>>
>>Christ was legally executed  by the Romans at the instigation of some
>>Jews, if the NT is to be believed. Christ himself was a Jew. The
>>activities of the money changers, while perhaps in bad taste, clearly
>>weren't illegal.
>>
>>>As for the JEWs active in the Nazi military, there are many documented
>>>reports to prove this!!!
>>
>>but quite by chance you forgot to post a reference. 
>>
>>If you know how to read, then READ the report by Professor Rigg, and
>>other references  below, cited.
>>
>>>The TRUTH about the many hundreds of thousands of JEWS who were active
>>>in the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:37:49 -0700, irgun43@mail.earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>>Sir,
>>>>  You shame yourself and your Japanese nation by spreading such lies.
>>>>  If you're saying that a few Jews tried to escape being killed by
>>>>pretending to be Germans in the Nazi army, that could be possible. What
>>>>you are saying is that Jews in great numbers willingly fought with those
>>>>who were killing them. That is a lie and you know it. Do you enjoy being
>>>>an open liar?
>>>>                               irgun43
>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:38:19 +0700, "Hasan"  wrote: 
>>>>> >Yesss!
>>
>>>>> >They killed Jesus and now killing many Palestinian BOYS (once again BOYS)
>>>>> >and reporters who try to record their barbarity, and like Nazi’s who feel
>>>>> >superior by saying “DEUTSCHE UBER ALLES”, the Jews claim themselves as
>>>>> >“CHOSEN PEOPLE.”
>>
>>>>> >So, the Jews are nothing but a bunch of racists or fascists.
>>
>>>>> From doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com Sun Jan 25 17:14:46 1998
>>>>> Based on previous post from DejaNews archives:
>>
>>>>> http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315100303&CONTEXT=885769316.1533018197&hitnum=0
>>
>>>>> On 11 Jan 1998 04:22:13 GMT, billbrtn@aol.com (BillBrtn) wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> Adolf Hitler had some Jews in his inner circle
>>
>>>>> http://www.viamall.com/ihf/653.html
>>
>>>>> This is the extraordinary story of Henry (Heinz) von Javorsky, a man
>>>>> who has survived and thrived in many lands and under many regimes
>>>>> because of his skill with a camera. In Nazi Germany he was able to
>>>>> make a living--and live--despite having a Jewish grandmother, because
>>>>> he was a specialist in aerial photography--
>>
>>>>> >>: Jews that had Iron Crosses and/or had proven their
>>>>> >>loyalty to Germany were not harassed by the Gestapo, the SS or the SA.
>>
>>>>> You need to read about the Hindenburg exemption in Lucy Dawidowicz's
>>>>> book The War Against The Jews.
>>
>>>>> Lucy S. Dawidowicz's book titled THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS1933-1945 by
>>>>> Bantam Books Incorporated [#13084-6, 1979 ed].
>>
>>>>> * April 7, 1933 Hitler's letter to Hindenburg gave exemptions to
>>>>> the "Jewish Problem." "Officials who were already employed as civil
>>>>> servants on or before August 1, 1914, or who during the World War,
>>>>> fought at the front for Germany or her allies, or whose fathers or
>>>>> sons were killed in action in the World War." (pg 77)
>>>>> * ["Starting May 4, 1942, the Jews from Germany, Luxembourg, Vienna,
>>>>> and Prague would be deported, except for the employed among them
>>>>> and the holders of the Iron Cross or other World War I decorations.
>>>>> Hitherto, those Jews as a group had been exempt from the
>>>>> deportations."]
>>
>>                         ____________________________
>>
>>>>> Or how about this?
>>
>>>>>                                        Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>>>> "If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing
>>>>> what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that
>>>>> is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of
>>>>> the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>>>> Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge and approval.
>>
>>>>> Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>>>> ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field
>>>>> marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant
>>>>> generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."
>>
>>>>> [ http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html ]
>>
>>>>> In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were
>>>>> awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.
>>
>>>>> One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>>>> northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and
>>>>> practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>>>> One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>>>> Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish identity circulated
>>>>> widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>>>> In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>>>> birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi
>>>>> high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew and who is an
>>>>> Aryan.''
>>
>>>>> Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>>>> German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was
>>>>> in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>>>> Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>>>> Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German
>>>>> officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch,
>>>>> whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>>>> Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto
>>>>> police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).
>> 
>>>>> So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all
>>>>> Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against
>>>>> Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>> 
>>>>> Sources:
>> 
>>>>> William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>>>> Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>>>> Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
>>>>> http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/zad/zad13.html
>>
>>>>> Article " Hitler's Jewish Army" from:
>>>>> http://www.hoffman-info.com/jewishnazi.html
>>
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html97/altnazi_040397.html 
>>>>> Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Thursday, April 3, 1997
>> 
>>>>> Hitler let `Aryanized' Jews serve in Nazi armed forces
>>>>> by Reuters
>>
>>>>> BONN - Adolf Hitler personally allowed at least 77 army officers of
>>>>> Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in
>>>>> the German Wehrmacht during World War II, an American historian said
>>>>> yesterday...... [Click the above link to see all of the story.]
>> 
>>>>> See also:
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html/holo_122696.html
>>>>> Copyright © 1996 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Dec. 26, 1996
>>
>>>>> An eerie part of Holocaust history: Researcher talks to Jews who
>>>>> served in Nazi army
>>
>>>>> by William D. Montalbano
>>>>> Los Angeles Times
>>
>>>>> LONDON - Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>>>> mission, Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man's land
>>>>> of Holocaust history.
>>
>>>>> Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of
>>>>> them high-ranking officers, who fought for Nazi Germany in World War
>>>>> II - during the Holocaust, when Germans killed 6 million Jews.
>>
>>>>> "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called `full Jews' served in the military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time
>>>>> exterminated their families," Rigg said. [Click link above to read the
>>>>> whole story.]
>>>>> 
>>>>>  http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html
>>
>>>Quite.      Glad we can agree on something.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>****************************************************************************************
>>>
>>>Mr Leibler:    you have chosen to gratuitously & viciously persecute
>>>a defenceless minority of Australians  -    who are innocent of any
>>>wrong-doing  -  on purely political grounds;  by publishing to the
>>>world, their names & residential suburbs in your magazine.
>>>
>>>In the interests of "balance", would you now care to publish to the
>>>world,  the names & residential suburbs of those Australian residents
>>>& citizens who are bankrolling the "Genocide" of the Palestinian
>>>Nation;  with a higher financial contribution per capita, than any
>>>other members of your diaspora, on the Planet.
>>>
>>>You say you have a deep & abiding concern for "political
>>>transparency":    lets see you really put your publishing skills
>>>where your mouth is...
>>>
>>>cheers,          PJ
>>
>>Better yet, publish a list of all those businesses owned or/and
>>controlled by Jews, in Australia, USA, GB, Germany, France and Russia.
>>
>>Let the world see who is really controlling world affairs, even before
>>the year 2000!!!



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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:14:27 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:22:18 GMT, doc_tavish@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc
>Tavish) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:28:08 -0400, The Truth of HateWatchWatch
>> wrote:
>>
>>>McVay is just trying to make money off his people being killed in the holacaust.
>>>I think that is damnable, but jews seems to want to profit from the holacaust.
>>
>>They also like holding the "holacaust" up in front of everyone because
>>it covers for what they did to Gentiles during their Genocidal
>>Bolshevik Revolution. Never forget this and be sure to visit and
>>support all the soon to be Doc Tavish Library branches. Each site is
>>equally worth of support and encouragement!
>>
>>					Doc Tavish
>>
>>----
>>Visit the Official Doc Tavish Libraries at:
>>http://www.crusader.net/texts/cng/doc
>>http://?????????? nearly finished!
>>http://???? number 3 starting construction!
>>Fourth Branch Being Considered!!



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Tue Oct 27 14:08:25 EST 1998
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On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 14:36:23 GMT, o_tavish@mail.spectratek.co.uk
(Turlough O' Tavish) wrote:

>Source: Muslimedia International
>URL: http://www.malaysia.net/muslimedia/
>Title: KAHANE AND HIS KACH MOVEMENT
>By: Zafarul Islam Khan
>
>TEXT:
>
>Baruch Goldstein, who murdered the worshippers 
>in Hebron's al-lbrahimi Mosque on 25 February 1994, 
>belonged to the Kach movement founded by a firebrand 
>New York rabbi, Meir Kahane, who himself was killed 
>in New York on 6 November 1990. He was 58 years old 
>at the time and, according to a Palestinian calculation, 
>had taken part in over 50 attacks on Arabs and the 
>Aqsa Mosque. (His alleged assassin, Al-Sayyid
>Nusair, an Egyptian, was acquitted by a New York court 
>in December 1991.)
>
>Kahane was a demagogue who could go to any length in 
>order to further his interests. Once he told his 
>biographer, Robert 1. Friedman (False Prophet: Rabbi 
>Meir Kahane from FBI informant to Knesset member) "the
>worse it gets for Israel, the better it gets for me," 
>(IHT, 8 November 1990).
>
>Kahane was born 'Martin David' in 1932 in New York. 
>As a young man he was attracted to the zionist youth 
>organisation, Bitar. He studied in a Jewish Talmudic 
>school and became a 'rabbi.' He founded the Jewish
>Defence League (JDL) in the US in 1968 to protect 
>Jews from 'anti-Semitic' attacks. For his criminal 
>activities he was jailed in the US in 1971. His parole 
>money was paid by a Mafia don, Joseph Colombo. He
>served the FBI as an informant against Jews and 
>supported the Vietnam war.
>
>In the late 1960s Kahane's JDL spearheaded a violent 
>and terrorist campaign against the Soviet Union in the 
>US and Europe. His activities, according to the New 
>York weekly, The Nation, were financed and promoted
>by a group headed by Yitshak Shamir, then head of the 
>Israeli secret service (later to be assasinated by a 
>Jew), Mossad's dirty operations department and based 
>in Paris. The Nation said that the JDL's efforts on
>behalf of the Soviet Jewry involved 'a committee 
>composed mostly of former members of the Stern and 
>Irgun gangs some of whom at the time were employed by 
>Mossad which planned and financed many of the JDL's
>militant actions against Soviet targets in the US and 
>Europe. The article quoted Jewish figures as saying 
>that the central figure in Kahane's control group was 
>Shamir (JP, 21 October 1988).
>
>Kahane migrated to Occupied Palestine in 1981 when he 
>found it tough to operate in the US. He at once resumed 
>his terrorist activities - this time against the 
>Palestinian Arabs. He made a number of attempts to
>demolish the Aqsa Mosque. He capitalised on the 
>respectability the rise of Likud under Begin and Shamir 
>had bestowed on rabid racist politics in the Jewish 
>State, and soon he established Kach (pronounced Kaakh,
>meaning 'thus' in Hebrew) movement with a clenched fist 
>as its symbol. It may be regarded as a true reincarnation 
>of the erstwhile Stern and Irgun gangs. Kahane called for 
>the 'liquidation' of the liberal Jews about whom he said: 
>'their evil threatens every Jew, their sins will sink the 
>Jewish ship.' (IHT, 8 November 1990).
>
>Kach activists built settlements, illegal even by Israeli 
>standards, in the occupied territories, sent out hit 
>squads to beat Arabs in their houses, smash their cars and 
>shops, and to harass them, threaten them, stage illegal 
>'document checks,' distribute insulting leaflets, and hold
>armed and provocative demonstrations in Palestinian 
>strongholds like Hebron, Ramallah and Nablus. The Kahanists 
>forcibly occupied the Mosque of Prophet Abraham in al-Khalil 
>(Hebron) about 15 years ago. They still retain control over 
>half of the mosque which they have converted into a
>synagogue. The Israelis have also occupied the adjacent 
>cemetery which contains the grave of Prophet Abraham.
>
>The then Israeli president Chaim Herzog, described Kahane 
>as 'a mark of disgrace' which tarnished the Jewish people. 
>'I am ashamed that such a thing exists in our country,' 
>he added (JC, 13 September 1985). Yet Kach continued to 
>attract Israelis, especially the Sephardic youth. Kach
>became a partner in the ruling coalition of the Kiryat 
>Arabah settlement (to which the Hebron murderer, Baruch 
>Goldstein, belonged) on 19 July 1985 after signing an 
>accord with another zionist movement which stipulated 
>that the local council will take action to immediately
>dismiss all Arab workers in the settlement.
>
>Kahane won a seat in the Israeli parliament, Knesset, 
>in July 1984, representing Kach Party. Now he went about 
>propagating his hate religion with more impunity. For 
>reasons unknown, Kahane nursed blind hatred of the Arabs. 
>Once he opened an address to a mixed Arab and Jewish 
>audience in Haifa saying 'Greetings, Jews and dogs,' 
>(JC, 16 August 1985). He believed and preached that 
>'the only good Arab was a dead one' (STM, 5 October 1980). 
>Kahane drew parallel between the status of the 
>contemporary Palestinian Arabs and the ancient Canaanites 
>whose total extermination is mandated in the Bible. He 
>often repeated his plans for the 'transfer' i.e., 
>expulsion, of the Arabs from their own usurped country, 
>and would go like this:
>
>'I want to remove the Arabs because I don't want to 
>kill them every week as they grow and riot. I do not want 
>to see another Cyprus or South Africa or Belfast here 
>because I want to see a Jewish State survive - and that 
>is more important to me than equality between Jew and Arab
>(ibid).
>
>'I don't want to kill all Arabs, nor do I want a 
>situation in ten years where it will be impossible to expel
>them (ST, 11 May 1980). 'There will never be peace between 
>Jews and Arabs. There are no moderate Arabs. There are two 
>kinds of Arabs, clever ones and stupid ones. The stupid
>ones say what they mean - Syria, Libya. The clever ones 
>mean it but they don't say it (Newsweek, 26 August 1985).
>
>In fact, the recent hate-mail campaign by the JDL/Kach is 
>nothing new. It publicly boasted to have sent out letters 
>in February 1984 to a number of prominent Egyptian 
>personalities which opposed relations with Israel, 
>threatening to kill them if they did not change their stance
>(JC, 24 February 1984; al-Ahali, Cairo, 18 and 22 February 
>1984). In June 1984 he announced in a press conference in 
>Jerusalem that his party is fully prepared to demolish the 
>Aqsa Mosque, together with all other Islamic monuments in 
>the holy city.
>
>The Israeli parliament voted on 26 December 1984 to bar 
>Kahane from visiting Arab villages and towns and made it 
>compulsory for him to get prior police permit to do so. He 
>had gone to a number of Arab villages and towns to 'persuade' 
>the Arabs to emigrate and to convince Jewish wives of Arabs 
>to leave their husbands. In August 1985 Kach hit
>international headlines when its thugs drove off Arabs from 
>beaches on three occasions.
>
>Kahane and his Kach movement were banned from contesting 
>elections in Israel in 1988 by the Israeli High Court, for 
>their racist and anti-democratic programme which threatened 
>the electoral prospects of other Israeli parties. Kahane 
>responded by threatening street violence and predicted that 
>'the day would yet come when I would rule over a theocratic, 
>Arab-free Israel.' He added that he would take away the
>Arabs' voting rights or drive them from the country' 
>(ST, 23 October 1988). The Knesset Election Committee 
>renewed the ban on Kach participation in elections in June 
>1992. Yet the zionist system very much tolerates such 
>fanatics.
>
>Kach has been 'outlawed' by the Israeli government after 
>the Hebron massacre but no arrests have been made and no 
>properties have been attached; hence the terrorists will 
>resume activity under a new banner (they already have 
>another organisation, Kahane Chai, i.e., 'Kahane Lives'). 
>One should not be surprised if the zionists one day 
>honoured the likes of Kahane and Goldstein as great sons 
>of Israel, as they did with the Stern and Irgun terrorists 
>eventually.
>



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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:20:51 -0700, Milton Wong 
wrote:

>Communism was invented by the Jew Karl Marx. Many other leading
>communists were/are Jews, for example Trotsky.
>
>The communists would never have succeeded in seizing power anywhere in
>the world without help from the Jewish Bolsheviks.
>
>Many if not most spies for the Soviet Union and its allies were/are
>Jews.
>
>Even those Jews who call themselves "conservative" or "democratic" are
>eager to support communism in foreign countries, especially China. I
>noticed during the recent visit to the United States of the leader of
>the illegal Chinese communist regime that he was photographed with his
>good friends Henry Kissinger (Jew) and Madeline Albright (Jew).
>
>It is estimated that the Chinese communists have murdered 65 million
>innocent people. I look forward to the day when China is liberated from
>the communists. In my opinion, the communist party should then be made
>illegal, communist/marxist/socialist literature (such as "Das Kapital"
>by the Jew Karl Marx) should be burned, all communists should be
>executed, all foreign (read: Jewish) collaborators who have helped the
>communists should be executed, all private property that was confiscated
>by the communists should be returned to its rightful owners or their
>heirs (if they were not all murdered by the communists; otherwise such
>property should be given as compensation to other victims of communism),
>and all property of communists or the communist party should be given to
>the victims of communism.
>
>Notice how much attention the U.S. (Jewish-controlled) media give to the
>Nazis' alleged murder of 6 million Jews, and how little attention they
>give to the victims of (Jewish-invented and Jewish-supported) communism.
>The communists are estimated to have murdered 65 million people in
>China, 20 million in the Soviet Union, 2 million in Cambodia, 2 million
>in North Korea, 1.7 million in Africa, 1 million in Vietnam, 1 million
>in Eastern Europe, and 150,000 in South America.
>



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>
>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>By Sean Maguire
>>Sept. 14, 1998
>
>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>
>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>sensitive site. 
>
>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>groups. 
>
>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>
>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>site inevitable. 
>
>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>
>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>
>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>
>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>
>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>
>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>and nationalists. 
>
>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>forgotten. 
>
>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>be removed. 
>>
>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>
>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>
>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>the moment.'' 
>
>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>
>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>
>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>international funding, are on hold. 
>
>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>
>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>
>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>
>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>
>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>
>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>
>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>
>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>Jewish community.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:42:53 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:31, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:
>
>Orest Slepokura  wrote:
>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...
>
>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>
>The Kastner Case
>
>                              
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>                              The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>                                The Verdict
>
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully.
>
>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>to Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>mislead the Jews.
>
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs
>.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>Jews.
>
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan.
>
>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>on the other hand.
>
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>affidavit given in favor of a war
>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements." 
>
>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>his Nazi 
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
> 
>The Reaction
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>criminal libel.
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>appeal filed.
>
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>
>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>                        
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>'collaboration'.
>
>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>Kastner. They joined him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>Jewish community.
>
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>many or should he disclose
>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>what was known to them and did not warn
>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>
>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>Silberg:
>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>judgements on the guilt of others....
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>result.'
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>thousands would have been able
>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>to a claim of such good faith...
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>
>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>occupation.
>
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>proof of  evidence for this.
>
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>of events it throws retroactive
>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>on trial .
>
>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>
>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>murder trial).
>
>
>sven88



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On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:28:24 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>If there were so many documented JEWS in the German military, one MUST
>question how many may have died in WWII!!!
>
>It seems that the number keeps on increasing, by mythical magic, just
>as each new lawsuit demanding reparations is filed!!!
>
>In other words, soon the number of damn JEW claimants for alleged
>demise in WWII will exceed the populations of all the countries
>involved.
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:43:34 GMT, vagabond@idirect.com (William
>Markiewicz) wrote:
>
>>
>>For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>Communication Page, August 97 issue 
>>http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>
>sperati wrote:
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>> 
>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>> 
>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> North Shore News
>> February 2, 1997
>> 
>> Insights from abroad
>> Doug Collins
>> 
>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>> that is ignored in Canada.
>> 
>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>> 
>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>> 
>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>> 
>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>> 
>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>> more. The research is continuing.
>> 
>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>> alive.
>> 
>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>> 
>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>> 
>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>> 
>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>> documents in the process.
>> 
>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>> 
>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>> 
>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>> 
>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>> 
>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>> 
>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>> was a Jew.
>> 
>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>> 
>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>> 
>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>> 
>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>> 
>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>> 
>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>> plotting against Hitler.
>> 
>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>> 
>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>> wonder why?
>> 
>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>
>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>>
>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>
>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site. 
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>groups. 
>>
>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable. 
>>
>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>
>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>
>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists. 
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten. 
>>
>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed. 
>>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>
>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>
>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.'' 
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>
>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>
>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>
>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>
>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>



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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:14:27 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:22:18 GMT, doc_tavish@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc
>Tavish) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:28:08 -0400, The Truth of HateWatchWatch
>> wrote:
>>
>>>McVay is just trying to make money off his people being killed in the holacaust.
>>>I think that is damnable, but jews seems to want to profit from the holacaust.
>>
>>They also like holding the "holacaust" up in front of everyone because
>>it covers for what they did to Gentiles during their Genocidal
>>Bolshevik Revolution. Never forget this and be sure to visit and
>>support all the soon to be Doc Tavish Library branches. Each site is
>>equally worth of support and encouragement!
>>
>>					Doc Tavish
>>
>>----
>>Visit the Official Doc Tavish Libraries at:
>>http://www.crusader.net/texts/cng/doc
>>http://?????????? nearly finished!
>>http://???? number 3 starting construction!
>>Fourth Branch Being Considered!!



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Tue Oct 27 14:08:43 EST 1998
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On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 02:49:44 GMT, not@country.net (Brian Blank) wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:18:46 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:43:06, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>
>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>
>>>Nothing new here.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>
>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>> 
>>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>> 
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>> 
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>> 
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>> 
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>> 
>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>> 
>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>> 
>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>
>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>> >               letters?
>>>
>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>
>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>Brith's butt.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>
>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>> 
>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>
>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>> 
>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>> 
>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>
>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>> 
>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>
>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>> 
>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>
>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>letter just ask.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>> 
>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>> 
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>
>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>
>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>
>>>
>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>
>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>
>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>> 
>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>
>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>
>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>
>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>
>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>
>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>
>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>
>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>sven88



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On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 02:49:44 GMT, not@country.net (Brian Blank) wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:18:46 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 10:43:06, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>
>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>
>>>Nothing new here.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>
>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>> 
>>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>> 
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>> 
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>> 
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>> 
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>> 
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>
>>
>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>> 
>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>> 
>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>> 
>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>
>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>> >               letters?
>>>
>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>
>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>Brith's butt.
>>> 
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>
>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>> 
>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>> 
>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>
>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>> 
>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>> 
>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>
>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>> 
>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>
>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>> 
>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>
>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>letter just ask.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>> 
>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>> 
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>
>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>
>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>
>>>
>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>
>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>
>>> 
>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>> 
>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>
>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>> 
>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>
>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>
>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>
>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>
>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>
>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>
>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>
>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>sven88



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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:28:19 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wanted to
include the original article:

On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:31:10 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:

>If you have contacts with Freeport-McMoran, perhaps the news will help
>them in suing Sherritt, and perhaps the Canucklehead government.
>
>Help free Cuba from the crooks paying off to a bankrupt Canadian
>company!!!
>
>
>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:13:06 GMT, pmartori@globalserve.net (Pedro
>Martori ) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:40:12 GMT, oreilly@erinhall.com wrote:
>>
>>>Cubans, and Canadian taxpayers also, want to know why did Fidel Castro
>>>give Jean Cretin the C$12 Million, as settlement for Confederation
>>>Life Insurance??
>>>
>>>Did Fidel not know that Confederation Life had been BANKRUPT FOR MANY
>>>YEARS??
>>>
>>>Who is actually getting the $12 million - crooks in Canada, or in
>>>Cuba??
>>>
>>>Do the people at Freeport-McMoran now know about this deal, which will
>>>now help them when they go to the World Court to collect their
>>>reparations??
>>>
>>>After all, if there is a precedent for a Canadian firm, this can then
>>>be used to collect by a US firm!!!!
>>>
>>>It seems that the Cubans got swindled by some Canadian crooks????
>>>
>>>Make sure that all your friends in Cuba know about this and try to
>>>recover the money from Canada!!! Tell Granma about this.
>>
>>    This is the type of monkey business that canadian premiers have
>>been doing with the mobsters called government of Cuba...
>>    Cretin know very damned well what it is all about but prefers
>>     to make peanuts with kastro than billions with a FREE CUBA !
>>********************************************
>>Pedro Martori - Montreal, Qc, Canada
>>    pmartori@globalserve.net
>>********************************************
sven88


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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:33:31 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:33:18 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:01:35 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>in support of his jew faggot lovers:
>>On 1 Jul 1998 20:49:49 GMT, billy_bob@throckmorton.com (Billy Bob
>>Throckmorton) wrote:
>>>In article , ijc@global.plantation.org 
>>>says...
>>>>On 1 Jul 1998 12:17:04 GMT, Doc Tavish, hiding behind 
>>> wrote:

>>>>>How many Jews have you ever seen denounce this filthy 
>>>>>lifestyle? See what I mean!?

>>>>ROTFL!!!  Why should we denounce it? 

>>>So you do approve what G-d has condemned? Very interesting indeed. It shows 
>>>why Jews have been vomited out of all the lands they have infested if one 
>>>is to accept the Torah!
 
>>>>It's part of the plan to destroy the filthy, inferior ary*n race!  
>>>>Encouraging ary*n homosexuality (pretty easy to do, since they're 
>>>>already so prone to it) helps keep the white birth rate down. 

>>>So you are confessing now that Jews aren't white also? 

>>>>Every little bit helps...

>>>Your simple admission tells all that homosexuality comes 
>>>from Jews! In my studies of the Jew I have learned that the Law
>>>given to Moses was for Jews only and not for the people of the 
>>>nations or the Goy.

>>>See:  http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325176411
>>>and
>>>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=364072939
>>>Subject:      The Noachide Laws

>>>What does G-d require from non-Jews?
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------

>>>Our sages teach us that G-d gave seven laws or commandments that are
>>>binding on all humanity.  The first six of these laws were given to
>>>Adam.  Because the last of these seven commandments was given to Noah
>>>and his sons, the seven laws are collectively referred to as "the
>>>Noachide Laws", or "the Commandments of Noah's Sons".

>>>The Noachide Laws are:

>>>1.  Not to worship idols;
>>>2.  Not to curse G-d;
>>>3.  To establish courts of justice (some say, not to pervert justice);
>>>4.  Not to murder;
>>>5.  Not to commit adultery or incest;
>>>6.  Not to steal;
>>>7.  Not to eat flesh from a living animal.

>>>The Oral Law (the Talmud) teaches clearly that whoever obeys these
>>>seven commandments has a portion in the world to come.  

>>> Abraham was the first person in history to publicly proclaim the
>>>Noachide Laws to the masses, although there certainly were righteous
>>>persons before Abraham who knew these commandments and practiced them
>>>(Noah himself, to name just one).

>>>The Torah was given exclusively to the Jews, along with the
>>>responsibility to inform the world of the universal commandments.
>>>		-----------END------------

>>>I guess this is why homosexual acts were mentioned in your Torah! It 
>>>appears you Jew boys liked buggering each other up the ass thousands of 
>>>years ago. If this weren't true then why would
>>>G-d have told Moses (as depicted in the Jewish Torah):

>>>http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash

>>>Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18  

>>>18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this
>>>is a disgusting perversion. 
>>>18 : 23 Do not perform any sexual act with an animal, since it will
>>>defile you. A woman shall [likewise] not give herself to an animal and
>>>allow it to mate with her. This is an utterly detestable perversion. 
>>>18 : 24 Do not let yourselves be defiled by any of these acts. It was
>>>as a result of them that the nations that I am driving away before you
>>>became defiled. 
>>>18 : 25 The land became defiled, and when I directed My providence at
>>>the sin committed there, the land vomited out its inhabitants. 
>>>18 : 26 You, [however,] must keep My decrees and laws, and not become
>>>involved in any of these disgusting perversions - neither the native
>>>born nor any foreigner who settles among you. 
>>>18 : 27 The people who lived in the land before you did all these
>>>disgusting perversions and defiled the land. 
>>>18 : 28 But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when you
>>>defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you. 

>>>The same Torah also says:
>>>Chumash References
>>>Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20 

>>>20 : 7 You must sanctify yourselves and be holy, for I am God your
>>>Lord. 
>>>20 : 8 Safeguard My decrees and keep them, since I am God [and] I am
>>>making you holy. 
>>>20 : 9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be
>>>put to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be
>>>stoned to death. 
>>>20 : 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is
>>>the wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress
>>>shall be put to death. 
>>>20 : 11 If a man has intercourse with his father's wife, he has
>>>committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them
>>>shall be put to death by stoning. 
>>>20 : 12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
>>>them shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly
>>>detestable perversion, they shall be stoned to death. 
>>>20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner
>>>as with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion.
>>>They shall be put to death by stoning. 

>>>>BTW, for information on rampant homosexuality amongst your
>>>>ary*n "heroes:" see "The Pink Swatstika:"

>>>>         http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/

>>>I could care less but Jeffrey Georg Brown may be interested.
>>>I hope and pray that America "vomits" out its filth soon as well!
>>>You all will not be missed!

>>>			Billy Bob

>>>>Bob Alpert * balpert "at" netaxs.com * Author of the Jewish Conspiracy 
>>sven88




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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:28:19 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wanted to
include the original article:

On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:31:10 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:

>If you have contacts with Freeport-McMoran, perhaps the news will help
>them in suing Sherritt, and perhaps the Canucklehead government.
>
>Help free Cuba from the crooks paying off to a bankrupt Canadian
>company!!!
>
>
>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:13:06 GMT, pmartori@globalserve.net (Pedro
>Martori ) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:40:12 GMT, oreilly@erinhall.com wrote:
>>
>>>Cubans, and Canadian taxpayers also, want to know why did Fidel Castro
>>>give Jean Cretin the C$12 Million, as settlement for Confederation
>>>Life Insurance??
>>>
>>>Did Fidel not know that Confederation Life had been BANKRUPT FOR MANY
>>>YEARS??
>>>
>>>Who is actually getting the $12 million - crooks in Canada, or in
>>>Cuba??
>>>
>>>Do the people at Freeport-McMoran now know about this deal, which will
>>>now help them when they go to the World Court to collect their
>>>reparations??
>>>
>>>After all, if there is a precedent for a Canadian firm, this can then
>>>be used to collect by a US firm!!!!
>>>
>>>It seems that the Cubans got swindled by some Canadian crooks????
>>>
>>>Make sure that all your friends in Cuba know about this and try to
>>>recover the money from Canada!!! Tell Granma about this.
>>
>>    This is the type of monkey business that canadian premiers have
>>been doing with the mobsters called government of Cuba...
>>    Cretin know very damned well what it is all about but prefers
>>     to make peanuts with kastro than billions with a FREE CUBA !
>>********************************************
>>Pedro Martori - Montreal, Qc, Canada
>>    pmartori@globalserve.net
>>********************************************
sven88


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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:27:17 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:33:07 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote:
>
>>This article is recovered from dejanews, and merits discussion again
>>
>>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:54:52 +1000, petermac@dynamite.com.au (Peter
>>Mackay) wrote:
>>>In article ,
>>>s.souter@edfac.usyd.edu.au (Stephen Souter) wrote:
>>>>} Something about a "list", wasn't it?
>>>>Spindler's List
>>
>>You mean Swindler's List, or perhaps Libeler's List??
>>
>>>Peter Mackay, Campbell
>>>Peter Lucas, Bulimba
>>>petermac@dynamite.com.au
>>>http://www.netinfo.com.au/~petermac
>>
>>For the benefit of those able to read, enjoy the following:
>>
>>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:03:14 GMT, peterjames@usa.net (Peter James)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:34:22 +1000, Brian 
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:36:20 +1000, Brian 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>> >On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> I have a question:
>>
>>>>> >[snip]
>>>*******************************************************************************************
>>>(PJ)
>> 
>>>>> And were you indicting the Israelis on a charge of "Genocide" against
>>>>> the Palestinian Nation?
>>
>>
>>>(BR)
>>>>	Essentially, yes, I was.   I made and still do make the point 
>>>>that all too often the Israelis have engaged in making use of the same 
>>>>tactics against the Palestinians as the Nazis did against the Jews and 
>>>>other occupied peoples of Europe.
>>
>>Come to think of it, last year there was amajor news story, detailing
>>the active involvement of JEWs with Hitler's military!!!
>>
>>article follows
>>
>>On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:03:42 GMT, torquemada@inquisition.org decided
>>to say, in soc.culture.malaysia, using 202 valuable lines of text:
>>
>>>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:27:32 -0600, bushbadee@juno.com wrote:
>>>>In article <353fd933.625226@news.datanet.ab.ca>, torquemada@inquisition.org
>>>>writes:
>>
>>>>>n the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>>And you ass hole worship a Jew, so what does that make you.
>>
>>>Actually Christ was murdered by the JEWs, because he exposed their
>>>criminal activities, even the money-changing in the temples!!!
>>
>>Christ was legally executed  by the Romans at the instigation of some
>>Jews, if the NT is to be believed. Christ himself was a Jew. The
>>activities of the money changers, while perhaps in bad taste, clearly
>>weren't illegal.
>>
>>>As for the JEWs active in the Nazi military, there are many documented
>>>reports to prove this!!!
>>
>>but quite by chance you forgot to post a reference. 
>>
>>If you know how to read, then READ the report by Professor Rigg, and
>>other references  below, cited.
>>
>>>The TRUTH about the many hundreds of thousands of JEWS who were active
>>>in the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:37:49 -0700, irgun43@mail.earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>>Sir,
>>>>  You shame yourself and your Japanese nation by spreading such lies.
>>>>  If you're saying that a few Jews tried to escape being killed by
>>>>pretending to be Germans in the Nazi army, that could be possible. What
>>>>you are saying is that Jews in great numbers willingly fought with those
>>>>who were killing them. That is a lie and you know it. Do you enjoy being
>>>>an open liar?
>>>>                               irgun43
>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:38:19 +0700, "Hasan"  wrote: 
>>>>> >Yesss!
>>
>>>>> >They killed Jesus and now killing many Palestinian BOYS (once again BOYS)
>>>>> >and reporters who try to record their barbarity, and like Nazi’s who feel
>>>>> >superior by saying “DEUTSCHE UBER ALLES”, the Jews claim themselves as
>>>>> >“CHOSEN PEOPLE.”
>>
>>>>> >So, the Jews are nothing but a bunch of racists or fascists.
>>
>>>>> From doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com Sun Jan 25 17:14:46 1998
>>>>> Based on previous post from DejaNews archives:
>>
>>>>> http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315100303&CONTEXT=885769316.1533018197&hitnum=0
>>
>>>>> On 11 Jan 1998 04:22:13 GMT, billbrtn@aol.com (BillBrtn) wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> Adolf Hitler had some Jews in his inner circle
>>
>>>>> http://www.viamall.com/ihf/653.html
>>
>>>>> This is the extraordinary story of Henry (Heinz) von Javorsky, a man
>>>>> who has survived and thrived in many lands and under many regimes
>>>>> because of his skill with a camera. In Nazi Germany he was able to
>>>>> make a living--and live--despite having a Jewish grandmother, because
>>>>> he was a specialist in aerial photography--
>>
>>>>> >>: Jews that had Iron Crosses and/or had proven their
>>>>> >>loyalty to Germany were not harassed by the Gestapo, the SS or the SA.
>>
>>>>> You need to read about the Hindenburg exemption in Lucy Dawidowicz's
>>>>> book The War Against The Jews.
>>
>>>>> Lucy S. Dawidowicz's book titled THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS1933-1945 by
>>>>> Bantam Books Incorporated [#13084-6, 1979 ed].
>>
>>>>> * April 7, 1933 Hitler's letter to Hindenburg gave exemptions to
>>>>> the "Jewish Problem." "Officials who were already employed as civil
>>>>> servants on or before August 1, 1914, or who during the World War,
>>>>> fought at the front for Germany or her allies, or whose fathers or
>>>>> sons were killed in action in the World War." (pg 77)
>>>>> * ["Starting May 4, 1942, the Jews from Germany, Luxembourg, Vienna,
>>>>> and Prague would be deported, except for the employed among them
>>>>> and the holders of the Iron Cross or other World War I decorations.
>>>>> Hitherto, those Jews as a group had been exempt from the
>>>>> deportations."]
>>
>>                         ____________________________
>>
>>>>> Or how about this?
>>
>>>>>                                        Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>>>> "If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing
>>>>> what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that
>>>>> is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of
>>>>> the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>>>> Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge and approval.
>>
>>>>> Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>>>> ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field
>>>>> marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant
>>>>> generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."
>>
>>>>> [ http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html ]
>>
>>>>> In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were
>>>>> awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.
>>
>>>>> One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>>>> northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and
>>>>> practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>>>> One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>>>> Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish identity circulated
>>>>> widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>>>> In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>>>> birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi
>>>>> high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew and who is an
>>>>> Aryan.''
>>
>>>>> Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>>>> German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was
>>>>> in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>>>> Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>>>> Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German
>>>>> officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch,
>>>>> whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>>>> Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto
>>>>> police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).
>> 
>>>>> So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all
>>>>> Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against
>>>>> Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>> 
>>>>> Sources:
>> 
>>>>> William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>>>> Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>>>> Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
>>>>> http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/zad/zad13.html
>>
>>>>> Article " Hitler's Jewish Army" from:
>>>>> http://www.hoffman-info.com/jewishnazi.html
>>
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html97/altnazi_040397.html 
>>>>> Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Thursday, April 3, 1997
>> 
>>>>> Hitler let `Aryanized' Jews serve in Nazi armed forces
>>>>> by Reuters
>>
>>>>> BONN - Adolf Hitler personally allowed at least 77 army officers of
>>>>> Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in
>>>>> the German Wehrmacht during World War II, an American historian said
>>>>> yesterday...... [Click the above link to see all of the story.]
>> 
>>>>> See also:
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html/holo_122696.html
>>>>> Copyright © 1996 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Dec. 26, 1996
>>
>>>>> An eerie part of Holocaust history: Researcher talks to Jews who
>>>>> served in Nazi army
>>
>>>>> by William D. Montalbano
>>>>> Los Angeles Times
>>
>>>>> LONDON - Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>>>> mission, Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man's land
>>>>> of Holocaust history.
>>
>>>>> Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of
>>>>> them high-ranking officers, who fought for Nazi Germany in World War
>>>>> II - during the Holocaust, when Germans killed 6 million Jews.
>>
>>>>> "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called `full Jews' served in the military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time
>>>>> exterminated their families," Rigg said. [Click link above to read the
>>>>> whole story.]
>>>>> 
>>>>>  http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html
>>
>>>Quite.      Glad we can agree on something.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>****************************************************************************************
>>>
>>>Mr Leibler:    you have chosen to gratuitously & viciously persecute
>>>a defenceless minority of Australians  -    who are innocent of any
>>>wrong-doing  -  on purely political grounds;  by publishing to the
>>>world, their names & residential suburbs in your magazine.
>>>
>>>In the interests of "balance", would you now care to publish to the
>>>world,  the names & residential suburbs of those Australian residents
>>>& citizens who are bankrolling the "Genocide" of the Palestinian
>>>Nation;  with a higher financial contribution per capita, than any
>>>other members of your diaspora, on the Planet.
>>>
>>>You say you have a deep & abiding concern for "political
>>>transparency":    lets see you really put your publishing skills
>>>where your mouth is...
>>>
>>>cheers,          PJ
>>
>>Better yet, publish a list of all those businesses owned or/and
>>controlled by Jews, in Australia, USA, GB, Germany, France and Russia.
>>
>>Let the world see who is really controlling world affairs, even before
>>the year 2000!!!



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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:14:27 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:22:18 GMT, doc_tavish@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc
>Tavish) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:28:08 -0400, The Truth of HateWatchWatch
>> wrote:
>>
>>>McVay is just trying to make money off his people being killed in the holacaust.
>>>I think that is damnable, but jews seems to want to profit from the holacaust.
>>
>>They also like holding the "holacaust" up in front of everyone because
>>it covers for what they did to Gentiles during their Genocidal
>>Bolshevik Revolution. Never forget this and be sure to visit and
>>support all the soon to be Doc Tavish Library branches. Each site is
>>equally worth of support and encouragement!
>>
>>					Doc Tavish
>>
>>----
>>Visit the Official Doc Tavish Libraries at:
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>>http://?????????? nearly finished!
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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:48 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
 wrote:

>============
>Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>
>Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres. 
>Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>presently in Lithuania.
>
>But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei. 
>They were ususally not armed, and when armed never given more than five
>bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>(as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>the genocide.
>
>On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>
>But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>closed.
>
>While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>intelligentia clamored for the police work.  
>
>Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>
>-------------
>Jozef Pawlikowski
>
>We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>
>------------
>
>
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), cz mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), czy mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/



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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:48 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
 wrote:

>============
>Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>
>Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres. 
>Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>presently in Lithuania.
>
>But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei. 
>They were ususally not armed, and when armed never given more than five
>bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>(as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>the genocide.
>
>On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>
>But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>closed.
>
>While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>intelligentia clamored for the police work.  
>
>Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>
>-------------
>Jozef Pawlikowski
>
>We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>
>------------
>
>
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), cz mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), czy mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/



From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Tue Oct 27 14:11:22 EST 1998
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Subject: ZYCLON B SOLD BY JEWISH COMPANY TO NAZIS
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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 15:12:58 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On 17 Aug 1998 13:13:38 GMT, kaszubik@aol.com (Kaszubik) wrote:
>
>>>
Subject: ZYCLON B SOLD BY JEWISH COMPANY TO NAZIS
>>>From: kaszubik@aol.com (Kaszubik)
>>>Date: Sun, Aug 9, 1998 11:51 EDT
>>>Message-id: <1998080915515800.LAA00958@ladder03.news.aol.com>
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>A little known fact is that a Jewish business in New York City produced
>>>Zyclon
>>>B and sold it to Germany where it sold as a commodity. What this means is
>>>that
>>>we have yet another example of MURDER FOR PROFIT (of their own people!). We
>>>already know who murdered Jesus Christ, that can not be disputed. Let me ask
>>>you: Why are so many Jewish doctors involved with partial-birth abortions?
>>>That
>>>is the new Holocaust on the rest of the world. I know the holocaust took
>>>place,
>>>I don't doubt that. It is indeed a tragic period in history for us Poles. But
>>>we should ask ourselves: Did the Jews deserve what they got?  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Tue Oct 27 14:11:22 EST 1998 Article: 125986 of soc.culture.polish Path: hub.org!hub.org!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.russian,pl.regionalne.warszawa Subject: Positive Jew role models- working with Nazis??? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:52:27 GMT Organization: TELUS Communications Inc. Lines: 148 Message-ID: <363fde26.159831262@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> References: <343259C6.5B34@earthlink.net> <34328FC1.1A57@somewhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtnpx02-port-2.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: hub.org soc.culture.polish:125986 soc.culture.ukrainian:42532 soc.culture.baltics:15940 soc.culture.russian:96586 pl.regionalne.warszawa:11041 On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:00:33 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote: >In view of the well documented fact that almost half of the 600,000 JEWS >in Germany prior to WWII were then in the German military, onemust >consider whether these JEWS working for Hitler, were in fact a positive >role model??? > > > >PAWLIKOWSKI wrote: >> >> Positive Jewish role models >> >> Alan Silver.. wrote: >> > >> > once again, your point is extremely obscure, and irrelevant. Whatever >> > collaboration there may have been, even if it was entirely voluntary, does >> > not for an instant excuse the crimes of the nazis and their collaborators >> > -- crimes against Jews or Poles or others they used as slave labor, or >> > whatever. >> ========= >> Dear Alan, >> >> Thank you for your email. I am posting your letter, while removing your >> signature. >> >> You are absolutely correct on the collaboration of Jews with the Nazis. >> Yes, it is hardly significant. The fact that some Jews collaborated and >> were bad (or HORRIBLY BAD) is the favorite argument of anti-Semites. >> Sure there were BAD Jews but perhaps in equal numbers BAD Poles >> Ukrainians and Germans. We use the above factual anti-Semitic argument >> very infrequently, since we are not anti-Semites. >> >> actually, we are true philo-Semite, who LOVE Jewish culture, tradition >> and admire Jewish achievements world over. (And yes I am jelous of it >> in a benign manner, like I am jelous of my billionaire neighbors here in >> Greenwich while I can not afford to buy a house.) >> >> Out of this admiration (of even Jewish kitchen i.e. sweets) I feel that >> Jews should be warned about their pathological dependece on fictitious >> martyrology. The myth of Massada has been debunked about two years ago >> by Israeli archeologists. It is about the time that the mythical parts >> of the WW II Holocasut should be also debunked, especially those which >> defame Poles and Ukrainians of whom 2,000 lost lives for hiding and >> helping Jews. >> >> Thus it is important to find the first and subsequent mass graves and >> bones of the 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the time to cremate. >> >> Thus it is important that Jews LOUDLY refute that in Yedvabne Polish >> boys decapitated Jewish maidens in July 1941 and used their heads to >> play soccer and their parents burned alive 1,600 of the Yedvabne Jews in >> a barn on July 11, 19941. >> >> Equally imoportant is to prove and refute the fact that Poles killed >> 42-70 Jews in 1946 in Kielce or 5,000 during 1945-1946 throught Poland. >> >> Simultaneously we attempt to convince you to raise your youth on the >> countless positive Jewish role models starting from B. Spoinoza and many >> many others. My favorites are Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan and perhaps Y. >> Rubin. >> ------------ >> Jozef pawlikowski >> >> > >> > ---------- >> > > From: PAWLIKOWSKI >> > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish; soc.culture.jewish; soc.culture.russian >> > > Subject: Re: Jewish police zyd. Ordnungdienst >> > > Date: September 30, 1997 11:35 AM >> > > >> > > Rostyk Lewyckyj wrote: >> > > > >> > > > In article <342291F3.2133@mindspring.com>, >> > wrote: >> > > > | >> > > > |PAWLIKOWSKI wrote: >> > > > |> On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in >> > which >> > > > |> service was completely voluntary. It was called Ordnungdienst. >> > Their >> > > > |> emblem was a light alloy Star of David. The social background of >> > these >> > > > |> Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% >> > with >> > > > |> post-graduate degrees, 60% with college degree, 20% with elementary >> > > > |> education. These are data from self-serving, post-war >> > questionaries. >> > > > |> >> > > > |> But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH >> > > > |> Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page >> > 489 >> > > > |> of his book. In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and >> > > > |> journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were >> > fired >> > > > |> from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were >> > > > |> closed. >> > > > | >> > > > |The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little >> > > > |longer or die now! >> > > > >> > > > Herman >> > > > Will you allow the same explanation when it is used by a Ukrainian, >> > Polack, >> > > > Balt or other untermensh who was made to serve as a policeman or camp >> > > > guard for the Nazis in the Reich? I believe that the USA, Canadian, >> > and >> > > > other countries immigration services are urged by the Jewish >> > community >> > > > not to accept this explanation and to persecute such individuals, >> > unless >> > > > they happen to be jews. >> > > > >> > > > |Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they >> > > > |ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"! >> > > > >> > > > |> While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish >> > > > |> intelligentia clamored for the police work. >> > > > >> > > > |> Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous >> > > > |> description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place >> > in >> > > > |> Lodz. German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly >> > in >> > > > |> Wisenthal Museum in LA. Thousands of Jews standing and watching >> > behind >> > > > |> three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols >> > facing >> > > > |> Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced >> > into >> > > > |> the noose by Jewish Policemen. >> > > > |> >> > > > What if anything does the commentary accompanying this film, (surely >> > > > there is a commentary?), say about these policemen? Does it label >> > them >> > > > with any nationality? >> > > > >> > > > --Rostyk >> > > =============== >> > > to get the sound track one would have to purchase copy of the film. >> > > Research costs $$$. Would you donate $50.00 to this purchase for >> > > starters. >> > > >> > > There is little doubt that these were Jews hanging Jews. I can make out >> > > stars of David on their armbands >> > > ---------- >> > > J From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Tue Oct 27 14:11:25 EST 1998 Article: 125987 of soc.culture.polish Path: hub.org!hub.org!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Newsgroups: soc.culture.jewish,soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.russian,pl.regionalne.warszawa,soc.culture.islam,soc.culture.australian Subject: Re: jew jokes part 2 (enjoy)- plus more... Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:52:57 GMT Organization: TELUS Communications Inc. Lines: 236 Message-ID: <3640de47.159864224@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> References: <36288f60.245161263@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> <364b9983.76711770@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtnpx02-port-2.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: hub.org soc.culture.jewish:297609 soc.culture.polish:125987 soc.culture.russian:96587 pl.regionalne.warszawa:11042 soc.culture.islam:4256 soc.culture.australian:79733 On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:47:27 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote: >On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:48:22 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote: > >>JEWISH JOKES >> >>How was copper wiring invented? >>Two Jews fighting over a penny! >> >> >>How is Christmas celebrated in a Jewish home? >>They put parking meters on the roof! >> >> >>Why is money green? >>Because Jews pick it before it's ripe! >> >> >>What candy did Hitler hate more then any other? >>Jew Jew Beans... Although I heard he enjoyed them "roasted!" >> >> >>If Tarzan and Jane were Jewish, what would Cheetah be? >>A fur coat! >> >> >>Why don't Jews eat pork? >>They may be a lot of things, but CANNIBALS they're not! >> >> >>Why aren't Jews attacked by sharks? >>Professional courtesy! >> >> >>Do you know how to keep Jews out of a country club? >>Let one in, and he'll keep the rest out. >> >> >>What's the Jewish version of foreplay? >>Half an hour of begging. >> >> >>How can you tell the mother-in-law at a Jewish wedding? >>She's the one on her hands and knees picking up the rice! >> >> >>Did you hear about the new tires, Firestein? >>They not only stop on a dime, they also pick it up! >> >> >>What's the difference between a circumcision and crucifixion? >>In a crucifixion, they throw the whole Jew out! >> >> >>Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years? >>Someone dropped a quarter! >> >> >>Why do Jews have such big noses? >>Because air is free. >> >> >>What did the Jewish mother ask her daughter when she learned she had >>an >>affair? >>Who catered it? >> >> >>What happens when a Jew with an erection walks into a wall? >>He breaks his nose. >> >> >>What's a Jewish dilemma? >>Free ham. >> >> >>What's the difference between a Jewish bitch and a barracuda? >>Nail polish. >> >> >>What's the difference between an elephant and a Jew? >>An elephant eventually forgets. >> >> >>A nigger was walking down the street, kicking some rubbish out of his >>way, >>when he spotted something amid the trash that gleamed >>strangely. It urned out to be an oddly shaped bottle, and when he >>rubbed it, a >>Jewish genie appeared. "I'll give you two wishes," quipped >>the genie. "Far out," said the black man. "First, I want to be white, >>uptight, >>and out of sight!" Second, I want to be surrounded by warm, >>sweet pussy. So the genie turned him into a TAMPON! The moral of this >>story: >>You can't get anything from a Jew without strings >>attached! >> >> >>How do you stop a Jewish girl from fucking you? >>Marry her! >> >> >>Why do jewish bitches only sleep with circumcised men? >>They want 20% off everything! >> >> >>What's the difference between between karate and judo? >>Karate is a form of self-defense, and judo is what bagels are made of. >> >> >>Did you hear that the limbo was invented by the Jews? >>Yeah, from sneaking into pay toilets. >> >> >>What's the definition of a queer Jew? >>Someone that likes girls more then money. >> >> >>What do you call ten Jewish bitches in a basement? >>A WHINE cellar. >> >> >>Why did the Jewish mother have herself entombed at Bloomingdales? >>So her daughter would visit at least twice a week. >> >> >>What's the difference between a vulture and a Jew? >>A vulture waits until you're dead to eat your heart out! >> >>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion >>==----- >>http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based >>newsreading >> >> >> >>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:06:02 -0700, "WaRR" >>wrote: >> >>>what do you get when you cross a jewish women and an arab women?? >>>oil of no lay!! >>> >>>=what is the difference between karate and judo? >>>karate is the art of self-defense, and judo is what bagels aremade of. >>> >>>=i knew a jewish woman once who thought the apostle's creed was >>>what fought rocky balboa. >>> >>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a toilet? >>>a toilet doesn't follow you around for 9 months after you use it. >>> >>>=did you hear that al italia and el al were merging to form a new airline? >>>it's called well i'll tell ya.=what do you call a jewish woman's waterbed? >>>the dead sea. second prize: lake placid. >>> >>>=how was copper wire invented? >>> by 2 jews fighting over a penny. >>> >>>=why are jewish men circumcised? >>> because jewish women won't buy anything unless it's 20% off. >>> >>>=what do you call an uncircumcised jewish baby? >>>a girl. >>> >>>=what do you get when you cross a jewish british princess & a computer? >>>a computer that never goes down on you. >>>=what's a jewish british princess' favorite wine? >>> i wanna go to palmsprings. >>>=how do you know a jewish british princess has an orgasm? >>>she drops her nail file. >>> >>>=what do you have when you get 3 jewish british princesses together >>>with 3 other women who have yeast infections?a whine and cheese party. >>>=how many jewish british princesses does it take to screw in a lightbulb? >>>two, one to get a diet coke and one to call daddy. >>> >>>=why do jewish girls like prostitution? >>>because they can sell it again and again and again. >>> >>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and jello? >>>jello moves when you eat it. >>> >>>=how does a jewish british princess do it doggie style? >>>she makes him beg for an hour. >>> >>>=what's the difference between a jewish british princess and a catholic >>>british princess? >>>the catholic british princess has fake jewelry and real orgasms. >>> >>>=what's the difference between jews and canoes? >>>canoes tip. ( THIS ONE FREAKS ME OUT :))))) >>> >>>=what's the difference between jews and pizzas? >>>pizzas don't scream when you put them in the oven. >>> >>>=what is a jewish dilemma? >>>free ham. >>>=what do you call a jewish piano? >>>a cash register. >>>=how many jews does it take to change a light bulb? >>>none. they are used to sitting in the dark. >>>=did you hear about the rabbi who did free circumcisions? >>>he only took tips. >>>=how many jews can you fit in a vw? >>>two in the front, two in the back, and ten thousand in the ash tray. >>> >>>=a priest, a baptist minister, and a rabbi were asked how they would >>>divide up some gold coins between themselves and god. the priest >>>replied, "i'd draw a line down the middle of the room, throw the >>>coins in the air, and whatever landed on one side goes to god, >>>the other to me." the minister replied, "i'd draw a circle in >>>the middle of the room, and whatever lands inside is for god, >>>outside for me." the rabbi's answer was, he wouldn't draw any >>>line, just throw the money in the air and whatever god caughthe could keep. >>> >>> >>>=an italian, a jew, and a homosexual were walking down the street and >>>were hit by the same bolt of lightning. next thing they know they're >>>in front of st. peter begging for a second chance. "ok," he says, >>>"but on one condition: you must give up that which you love the most. >>>if you don't, you go straight to hell." after agreeing, they find >>>themselves back on the street and they start walking again. a few >>>blocks down they pass a pizza store. "i can't help myself!" says the >>>italian... he goes in, takes a bite of pizza, and poof!, he >>>disappears. so the jew and the homosexual continue walking >>>down the street. the jew sees a penny on the sidewalk. "i can't >>>help myself!" he says. he reaches for the penny and poof! the >>>homosexual disappears. >>> >>> >>>yours truly >>> >>>WaRR >>> From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Tue Oct 27 14:11:26 EST 1998 Article: 125988 of soc.culture.polish Path: hub.org!hub.org!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.baltics,pl.regionalne.warszawa,pl.regionalne.krakow,pl.regionalne.lodz,soc.culture.russian Subject: If JEWS in Hitler Army - How Many Really Died? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:55:23 GMT Organization: TELUS Communications Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3643ded8.160009564@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> References: <3421320F.FC8@direct.ca> <343c8927.107219367@dnews.pacificnet.net> <342D8CC8.3F5B@somewhere.com> <342E07A6.483E@flash.net> <342EA1C6.1207@earthlink.net> <35fed243.2025916@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtnpx02-port-2.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: hub.org soc.culture.polish:125988 soc.culture.ukrainian:42533 soc.culture.baltics:15941 pl.regionalne.warszawa:11043 pl.regionalne.krakow:7008 pl.regionalne.lodz:2259 soc.culture.russian:96588 On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:09:41 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote: >On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI > wrote: >>jacob bekker wrote: >>> someone@somewhere.com wrote: >>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many >>> > allegedly died in WWII. >>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world? >>> J.B. >>================= >>Presence of Jews in Hitler's army clearly rules out the story of >>exterminatinon. Being in high places they would know that the story is >>true and would alert the world through their relatives. >>They have not done it ... little chance that there was Jewish genocide. >>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the >>chance to cremate. >>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it? >>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet. Being so >>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world. While >>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he >>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked >>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them. >>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant >>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not >>reproduced. In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy >>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters. >>But I do not worry about that. Mere forty years of education given to >>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed >>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir. >>Western Europeans were unable to do it. >>Pawlikowski From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Tue Oct 27 14:11:26 EST 1998 Article: 125989 of soc.culture.polish Path: hub.org!hub.org!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Newsgroups: soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.polish,pl.regionalne.warszawa,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.europe Subject: Jews in the white sex slave trade against Slavic women pt.1 Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:54:40 GMT Organization: TELUS Communications Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3641deac.159965232@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> References: <3520525a.2188842@solvangpastries.com> <35212b55.3212427@news.supernews.com> <3522637d.6576521@solvangpastries.com> <3522513f.662195@news.supernews.com> <6fq5a8$be3@sjx-ixn9.ix.netcom.com> <3521957e.635364@solvangpastries.com> <3523f66b.1025297@solvangpastries.com> <354A7575.1281@ev.net> <6ikivv$g9l@suriname.earthlink.net> <3553d82e.792424@news.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtnpx02-port-2.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: hub.org soc.culture.russian:96589 soc.culture.ukrainian:42534 soc.culture.polish:125989 pl.regionalne.warszawa:11044 soc.culture.baltics:15942 soc.culture.europe:133696 On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, white_guy88@hotmail.com (Lenny) wrote: >On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj > wrote: >>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote: > >>> Dear Sir, >>> I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution. >>> However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish >>> people. >>> No one wants your women. No one needs your women. >>> They come illegally into Israel. >>> Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that. >>> irgun43 >> Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don't >> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because >> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse. >> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand. >> "They come illegally ..." Well it appears that many arrive quite legally >> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported, >> illegaly. >> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying >> and selling of human beings as merchandise. >> Also prostitution is legal in Israel, and although brothels are >> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach. >> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries >> these things are at least illegal, that doesn't appear to be the case >> in Israel. >> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred. > The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and >promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the >racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish >involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site >http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html > Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern >European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused >these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the >nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it's host. > May the white people of the world wake up before it's too late! From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Tue Oct 27 14:11:27 EST 1998 Article: 125991 of soc.culture.polish Path: hub.org!hub.org!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!WCG!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.news.gtei.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.politics.white-power,soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.swiss Subject: Nazi-Zionist collaboration involving Rudolf Kastner Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:55:35 GMT Organization: TELUS Communications Inc. Lines: 579 Message-ID: <3644dee3.160019891@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> References: <34584227.85532285@news.mindspring.com> <345841aa.84602446@news.xs4all.nl> <345b25e4.91498074@news.mindspring.com> <345d3783.3061664@news.direct.ca> <345bbc0b.22404237@news.mindspring.com> <01bce739$6d9eb140$35bd40d1@msn-net> <345c5a06.62847107@news.mindspring.com> <34639fb7.2656673@news.direct.ca> <34622cdb.13089231@news.erols.com> <63lfp4$fbi$2@morgoth.sfu.ca> <345E59BF.3288@miernoty.z.sld.com> <36257395.248055565@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtnpx02-port-2.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: hub.org alt.politics.nationalism.white:196222 alt.politics.white-power:235253 soc.culture.polish:125991 soc.culture.russian:96590 soc.culture.ukrainian:42535 soc.culture.swiss:27903 On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote: >On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, "((((())))))" > wrote: > >>The Kastner Case >> >> >>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving >>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner. >> >>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are >>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about >>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and >>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the Supreme >>Court of Israel. >> >> The Accusations >> >>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows: >> >>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical >>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his >>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote: >> >>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse certain >>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war. >> >>This group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in >>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence. >>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews >>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is >>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations. >>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was >>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann >>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went >>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my >>choice and I shall keep quiet.' >> >>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took >>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining >>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little >>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany >>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, >>pp261-2) >> >>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions' published in >>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960: >> >>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands >>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted >>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to >>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish >>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, >>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a >>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He >>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep >>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few >>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It >>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too >>high for me. >> >>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke >>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke >>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and >>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he >>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself. >> >>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of >>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel... >> >>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our >>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic >>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand >>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You can >>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And >>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation >>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not >>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the >>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61) >> >>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase of >>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'. >> >>Are the accusations against Kastner true? >> >>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel >>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these >>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than >>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist >>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and >>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel >>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel. >> >> The Verdict >> >>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel >>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of >>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The >>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied >>carefully. >> >>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the >>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence >>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze. >> >>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they >>not spread their false information through Jewish channels. >> >>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian >>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others >>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews. >>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of >>Jewish leaders. >> >>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders >>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading >>such false information and did not protest. >> >>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were >>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'. >> >>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of >>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be >>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain >>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering >>the deportation orders. >> >>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen >>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few >>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the >>deportations were organized in these ghettos. >> >>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in >>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities. >> >>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of >>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their >>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who >>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations...these >>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to >>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train. >> >>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination >>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest >>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a >>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on >>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal >>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish >>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe. >> >>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry >>and the most trusted by the Jews. >> >>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for >>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task >>easier. >> >>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his >>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were >>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S. >>chiefs. >>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue >>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an >>underground. >> >>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis >>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S. >>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue >>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers? >> >>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these >>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the >>extermination plan of the killers ? >> >>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue >>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends >>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total annihilation. >> >>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six >>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews. >>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait >>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him >>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great >>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would >>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and the >>Nazi patronage of his committee. >> >>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to >>the German Satan. >> >>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order >>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between >>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into >>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised >>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews >>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative >>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner >>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and >>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this >>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and >>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from >>the book of the living. >> >>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and put >>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only >>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border >>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their >>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them. >> >>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to >>evade this truth. >> >>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall >>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to >>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53; >>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22, >>1955). >> >>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers >>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the 'new >>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says: >> >>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line' >>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey. >> >>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing >>Jews. >> >>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the >>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of >>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war >>criminals. >> >>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to >>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner >>also needed an alibi for himself. >> >>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the >>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner's >>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S. >> >>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the >>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner. >> >>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were >>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler". >> >>Judge Halevi continues: >> >>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when >>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed the >>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish >>Agency and the Jewish World Congress. >> >>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the defense to >>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove >>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit. >> >>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war >>criminal. >> >>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his testimony >>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the >>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute >>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming truth - >>that this affidavit was not given in good faith. >> >>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up >>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the >>affidavit. >> >>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to >>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good >>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good >>intention of good Becher'. >> >>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his >>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World >>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate >>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal >>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions >>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to >>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith >>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's affidavit >>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war >>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg. >> >>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his >>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his >>statements." >> >>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel >>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved >>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi >>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered >>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as >>court costs. >> >>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the >>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had >>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to >>much more than that. >> >>But the story does not end there. >> >>The Reaction >>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote: >> >>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now >>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955) >> >>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing >>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the >>Government of Israel. >> >>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said: >> >>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total >>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may >>disclose." (23 June 1955) >> >>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead >>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel. >> >>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government >>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed. What >>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such >>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on >>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages? >> >>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of >>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was >>defending Kastner so strongly: >> >>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a >>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National >>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in >>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions." >>(Hecht, p. 268) >> >>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration was >>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist >>leadership. >> >>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel >>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his >>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But >>the story gets worse. >> >>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a >>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the >>name >>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point >>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'. >> >>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court - >>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the >>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a >>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully >>rehabilitated'. >> >> >>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these >>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found >>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of >>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'. >> >>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the >>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove >>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration. >> >>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner. >>They joined him. >> >>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo >>Chesin: >> >>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj, >>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of >>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The >>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This vivid >>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the >>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any >>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest, >>protocol 465). >> >>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The Jews >>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither >>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force >>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue >>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the >>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly >>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes. >> >>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when >>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from >>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even >>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and >>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that >>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And >>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say >>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in >>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews >>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by >>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to >>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary. >> >>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission - the >>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not >>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or >>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be >>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its >>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his >>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose >>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody >>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of >>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with >>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District >>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his >>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at. >>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination >>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a >>moral and public point of view... >> >>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner >>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who >>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one >>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton, >>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of >>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn >>and did not cry out of the coming danger.... >> >>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court >>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of >>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary >>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2) >> >>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the Hungarian >>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many >>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their knowledge of >>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to >>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different >>train for Palestine. >> >>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is >>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg: >> >>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the >>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a >>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here >>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the >>guilt of others.... >> >>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an >>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of >>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a >>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the >>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few - >>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating >>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in >>fact, he brought about its result.' >> >>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such >>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation >>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the >>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive >>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the >>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the >>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able >>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue >>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of >>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. - >>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of >>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty >>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue >>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he >>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the >>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as >>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a >>claim of such good faith... >> >>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die >>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come >>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual >>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He >>is a collaborator with the angel of death. >> >>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete >>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation >>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play. >> >>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was >>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner >>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this >>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the >>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the >>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to >>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and >>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these >>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the >>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a >>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting >>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity. >>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing... >> >>We can sum up with three facts: >> >>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small revolts, >>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working >>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from >>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs of >>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which >>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation. >> >>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or the >>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder. >>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of >>evidence for this. >> >>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few >>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of >>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses. >> >>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of rescuing >>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war >>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't base >>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is >>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive >>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our >>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957) >> >> >>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their >>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been >>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration >>with the Nazis. >> >>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority. >> >>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history. >> >>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of >>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with >>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews. >> >>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt >>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist >>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave >>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain >>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an >>estimated personal worth of $30 million. >> >>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give >>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West >>Germany. >> >>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the >>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure >>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what >>might come out. >> >>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue >>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial . >>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the >>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz, >>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to >>Palestine. >> >>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the >>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was >>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in >>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957 >>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were >>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered. >>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the >>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic >>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial). From sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Tue Oct 27 14:11:29 EST 1998 Article: 125992 of soc.culture.polish Path: hub.org!hub.org!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!WCG!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news.agtac.net!news.telusplanet.net!news From: sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.russian,soc.culture.baltics,soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.culture.palestine,pl.regionalne.warszawa Subject: How Many Jews Really Died??Holohoax?? Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:51:32 GMT Organization: TELUS Communications Inc. Lines: 217 Message-ID: <363eddeb.159772716@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> References: <35489c6d.1848422@news.datanet.ab.ca> <1998042606125900.CAA23853@ladder03.news.aol.com> <354b491e.2986172@news.datanet.ab.ca> <363515d1.408202666@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: edtnpx02-port-2.agt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: hub.org soc.culture.polish:125992 soc.culture.russian:96591 soc.culture.baltics:15943 soc.culture.ukrainian:42536 soc.culture.palestine:53656 pl.regionalne.warszawa:11045 On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:28:34 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote: >On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:53:10 GMT, omerta@casanostra.com wrote: > >>The news article has been recorded by the Seattle Times newspaper in >>the USA, as well as the Telegraph in Britain, as cited in prior >>articles. >> >>If you can read, then just visit their websites and see the original >>texts. >> >> >>On 26 Apr 1998 06:12:59 GMT, sbobrow940@aol.com (SBobrow940) wrote: >>>Second: your reference material presumably written by certain >>>Brian Rigg does not show during search of Internet libraries. >>>Provide detailed information on your "professor" and the "book", >>>including the publisher and the year. >>>Slawomir Bobrowski >> >> >>>>
Subject: Re: How Many Jews Really Died??
>>>>From: omerta@casanostra.com
>>>>Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 22:34 EDT
>>>>On 25 Apr 1998 16:44:07 GMT, sbobrow940@aol.com (SBobrow940) wrote:
>>
>>>>>First of all, how do you know how many Jews served in the Reich military
>>>>under
>>>>>Hitler?
>>
>>>>Read the referenced articles detailed, from records of the Wehrmacht,
>>>>researched by a British professor, among others, and well reported
>>>>worldwide.
>>
>>>>Perhaps instead of making racial ad hominem comments, you may wish to
>>>>comment directly on the points documented??
>>
>>>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>
>>>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>
>>
>>>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand  wrote:
>>>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>
>>>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>>>be.
>>
>>>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>>>"All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren't
>>>>>counted by any census - simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>>>anybody who couldn't present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>>>million? We will never know."
>>
>>>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>>>persons died--e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>>>sperati wrote: 
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>> 
>>>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>> North Shore News
>>>>> February 2, 1997
>>
>>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>>>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>
>>>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>
>>>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>>>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>>> alive.
>>
>>>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>
>>>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>
>>>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>> 
>>>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>>> documents in the process.
>> 
>>>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>
>>>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>
>>>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>> 
>>>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>
>>>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>> 
>>>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>> 
>>>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>>> wonder why?
>>
>>>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>



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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:20:51 -0700, Milton Wong 
wrote:

>Communism was invented by the Jew Karl Marx. Many other leading
>communists were/are Jews, for example Trotsky.
>
>The communists would never have succeeded in seizing power anywhere in
>the world without help from the Jewish Bolsheviks.
>
>Many if not most spies for the Soviet Union and its allies were/are
>Jews.
>
>Even those Jews who call themselves "conservative" or "democratic" are
>eager to support communism in foreign countries, especially China. I
>noticed during the recent visit to the United States of the leader of
>the illegal Chinese communist regime that he was photographed with his
>good friends Henry Kissinger (Jew) and Madeline Albright (Jew).
>
>It is estimated that the Chinese communists have murdered 65 million
>innocent people. I look forward to the day when China is liberated from
>the communists. In my opinion, the communist party should then be made
>illegal, communist/marxist/socialist literature (such as "Das Kapital"
>by the Jew Karl Marx) should be burned, all communists should be
>executed, all foreign (read: Jewish) collaborators who have helped the
>communists should be executed, all private property that was confiscated
>by the communists should be returned to its rightful owners or their
>heirs (if they were not all murdered by the communists; otherwise such
>property should be given as compensation to other victims of communism),
>and all property of communists or the communist party should be given to
>the victims of communism.
>
>Notice how much attention the U.S. (Jewish-controlled) media give to the
>Nazis' alleged murder of 6 million Jews, and how little attention they
>give to the victims of (Jewish-invented and Jewish-supported) communism.
>The communists are estimated to have murdered 65 million people in
>China, 20 million in the Soviet Union, 2 million in Cambodia, 2 million
>in North Korea, 1.7 million in Africa, 1 million in Vietnam, 1 million
>in Eastern Europe, and 150,000 in South America.
>



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>
>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>By Sean Maguire
>>Sept. 14, 1998
>
>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>
>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>sensitive site. 
>
>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>groups. 
>
>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>
>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>site inevitable. 
>
>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>
>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>
>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>
>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>
>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>
>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>and nationalists. 
>
>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>forgotten. 
>
>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>be removed. 
>>
>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>
>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>
>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>the moment.'' 
>
>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>
>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>
>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>international funding, are on hold. 
>
>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>
>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>
>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>
>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>
>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>
>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>
>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>
>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>Jewish community.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>



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On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:04:59 -0500, "Shabati..Zvi Äbuishneineh"
 wrote:

>SJAFAR@newsnet., new wrote:
>> 
>> Investigators reportedly have opened several graves of Yemenite Jewish
>> babies and found them to be empty - a discovery that might support
>> claims that Yemenite children were taken from their parents for adoption
>> decades ago.
>> 
>> For years, Yemenite activists have claimed hundreds of babies declared
>> dead were actually given to adoptive parents of European descent. If the
>> claims are true, it could further sour relations between Middle Eastern
>> and European Jews in Israel.
>> 
>> The four graves at Tel Aviv's Givat Shaul cemetery were opened last
>> Wednesday as part of an official investigation, with a rabbi and family
>> members present.
>> 
>> Wooden signs over the empty graves bore the names Ruthie Babu, Ruthie
>> Cohen, Reuven Rafaelo and Moshe Mishraki, Israel TV reported Saturday.
>> All were hospitalized when only a few months old. Their parents never
>> saw them again, nor did they see a body or a death certificate.
>> 
>> ``Now there is no doubt that this was an affair of planned fraud in
>> which funerals were staged and evidence was falsified,'' said Ora
>> Shifris, a spokesman for the Yemenite families.
>> 
>> Hundreds of children disappeared during the mass immigration of Yemenite
>> Jews in the early 1950s, when the immigrants were housed in tent camps.
>> Camp officials and medical staff denied any wrongdoing, saying there was
>> chaos in the camps, where many babies were sickly and died.
>> 
>> Two other commissions have investigated the affair, but many families
>> dismissed their inconclusive findings.
>> 
>> In 1994, radical Yemenite activist Uzi Meshulam and a group of armed
>> followers barricaded themselves in a house in Tel Aviv for six weeks to
>> press demands for a new inquiry. One of the followers was killed in a
>> shootout with police, and Meshulam is serving a 6  1/2-year prison term.
>> But the confrontation created a furor that led to the current
>> commission, which has subpoena powers.
>> 
>> Israel's 4.7 million Jews are roughly evenly divided between those of
>> Middle Eastern and European descent, but the latter have always been
>> dominant economically and socially.
>
>
>Mr. Jafar.
>1. The number of children exceeded the thousands, not hundreds.
>2. Most of the low Paige and menial jobs are given to Arab Jews.
>3. For economic reasons, most of the prostitutes in Israel are underage
>Yemenites (and now Russian) Jewish little girls.
>4. Rejecting the blood of the African Jews (the Falasha) is just on of
>the facet of the fascist Zionist life. The Falasha Jews are prohibited
>from performing marriages and funeral. Only Aryan Jews are allowed to do
>that besides some Arab Jews who had to (convert) to Judaism, the Aryan
>style.



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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:24:37 GMT, kenoyvaySOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:20:12 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>
>>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>>Christ.
>>
>>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>>business.
>>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>>hoffman@hoffman-info.com (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:
>>
>>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn't these two Orthodox Hasidic
>>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering
>>>
>>>By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997
>>>
>>>NEW YORK -- A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
>>> rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to launder
>>> and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian narcotics dealers by
>>> routing the cash through the bank accounts of a synagogue and a yeshiva
>>>in Brooklyn. 
>>>
>>> The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought together
>>>a collection of strange bedfellows -- five New York representatives of
>>>Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who purportedly transported
>>>cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with ties to a close-knit Jewish
>>>community. 
>>>
>>> At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions of
>>>dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively modest
>>>Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from American and
>>>Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the Colombian drug
>>>lords. 
>>>
>>> "Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
>>>traffickers, and the  cynical act of using religious institutions to
>>>conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible," said Zachary Carter,
>>>the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in announcing the
>>>charges. 
>>>
>>> Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford Ave.,
>>>and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in Brooklyn, were
>>>arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day before U.S. Magistrate
>>>Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy to launder money. Two
>>>suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of 5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn,
>>>also were charged with conspiring to avoid federal cash-transaction
>>>reporting requirements. 
>>>
>>>Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of 320
>>>Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was released on
>>>$750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal complaint were listed
>>>as fugitives, and two more were being held in custody elsewhere in New
>>>York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst, the assistant federal
>>>attorney prosecuting the case. 
>>>
>>>Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used court-authorized
>>>wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint charged that the
>>>two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by taking cash from
>>>go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a synagogue-based
>>>organization and, after subtracting commissions, writing checks to drug
>>>traffickers. 
>>>
>>>Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the name
>>>of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation Eitz Chaim
>>>at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more than $19 million
>>>during the 10-month period when the laundering transactions occurred,
>>>between August 1995 and May 1996. 
>>>
>>>Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to have
>>>written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and Knobloch
>>>were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in drug money
>>>by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000 -- the amount
>>>that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting requirement --
>>>through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim and Bobover Yeshiva,
>>>at the same location. 
>>>
>>>The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was listed by
>>> prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of people at
>>>Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything about him or
>>>the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim Shel Shulem. 
>>>
>>>The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick front
>>>and a small awning imprinted with the institution's name in Hebrew. The
>>>only words in English on the facade call it "the Katz Family of Mexico
>>>Building." 
>>>
>>>In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people were
>>>studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who would not
>>>give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis named in the
>>>federal complaint. 
>>>
>>> The federal investigation -- an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney's
>>>Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service --
>>>began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
>>>withdrawals intended to circumvent the government's reporting rules in
>>>various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
>>>officials said. 
>>>
>>>With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other techniques, the
>>>investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in which Grunfeld and Knobloch
>>>eventually made more than $1 million in deposits and withdrawals --
>>>transactions, they said, that let the conspirators move large sums of
>>>illicit drug profits. 
>>>
>>> Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in Monday's
>>>complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five of them --
>>>Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio Rodriguez, 30; Juan
>>>Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 --were said to have brought in large sums
>>>that Colombian drug dealers wanted to launder. 
>>>
>>>The money was given to three men described as intermediaries -- Jack
>>>Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40, and
>>>Fabio Arana, both of
>>>Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted and stashed the money at an
>>>apartment at  243 West 75th St. 
>>>
>>>There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was later
>>>deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel Shulem.
>>>Grunfeld, the organization's president, signed checks that were made out
>>>to "entities in accordance with drug traffickers' instructions," the
>>>federal complaint said. 
>>>
>>>Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no formal
>>>connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said. Commissions of 13
>>>percent to 15 percent were deducted from the laundered money and divided
>>>among the intermediaries. 
>>>
>>> Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
>>>community came  into contact with professional money launderers and drug
>>>traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and Grunfeld, and
>>>Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy a Beech Super King
>>>aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
>>>================================================================================
>>>   The Campaign for Radical Truth in History: http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:13:12 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On 02 May 1998 16:44:09 GMT, panjanusz@aol.com (Pan Janusz) wrote:
>
>>Translated from Polish:
>
>>Reprinted from "Polish Weekly"  published in Australia.
>
>>Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued the extradition papers
>>for war criminal Samuel Morel. Polish authorities will ask authorities in
>>Israel to extradite Morel.
>>Morel is accused of "cruel treatment and tortures of prisoners and jeopardizing
>>their safety and health." Using common language, between years 1945-1950 he was
>>beating prisoners, torturing and killing them.
>
>>Morel was born in 1919, from 1940 was a member of Jewish band which was
>>assaulting Polish villages in province of Kielce and robbing Polish farmers. In
>>December of 1942 during one of their assaults the band was destroyed by a
>>detachment of People's Army ( communist guerillas in nazi occupied Poland).
>>Father and brother of Morel were executed, he alone became a member of the
>>People's Army. He defected from the group when Red Army was inching toward
>>province of Kielce and became a member of Soviet guerillas.
>>Soon he became an officer of UB (communist Security Office in Soviet occupied
>>Poland).
>>In the beginning of 1945 he was sent to the region of Silesia and received the
>>nomination on the camp commandant for Germans in Swietochlowice.
>> About his crime committed in this camp wrote, among others, an American
>>journalist John Sack in his book "Eye for an eye" ( for this book John Sack who
>>is a Jew was decalred an antisemite).
>>In the end of December of 1945 Morel had been transferred and became a warden
>>of the UB prison in Opole. There he tortured Poles and Germans. He also
>>tortured minors in the labor camp in Jaworzno which he was a commandant between
>>1946-1950. He was fired from this post, for mortality among prisoners was too
>>big. 
>
>>In 1991 he was interviewed by a prosecutor, panicked and fled to Israel.
>>After spending all his money, within few months he returned to Poland, but soon
>>he surfaced in Sweden where he demanded political asylum argumenting that he
>>was persecuted in Poland because he was a Jew. His plea was rejected and Morel
>>again came back to Poland. 
>>On 10th of July Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued arrest
>>warrant. They were late. Morel again fled to Israel.
>>His retirement pention is being picked up by the wife of the criminal.
>>Since 1996 Morel is on the most wanted list of the INTERPOL.
>>According to international law he should be arrested by Israeli police and
>>charged by Israel with war crimes.
>>He should.....
>
>>Translated by Janusz Styber
>



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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:30:30 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 1998 20:44:20 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>
>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:
>
>>dddddddddd
>>below, Hermie's cyberthrash
>>-------------
>>md
>>
>>greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>> 
>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>> > ============
>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>> > occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>> > after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>> >
>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>> >
>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>> > occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>> 
>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>> 
>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>> > bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>> > the genocide.
>>> 
>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski's story too.
>>> 
>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>> > service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>> > post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>> > education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>> >
>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>> > of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>> > closed.
>>> 
>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>> longer or die now!
>>> 
>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>> >
>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>> > Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>> >
>>> > -------------
>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>> >
>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>> > dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>> >
>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>> other people.
>>> 
>>> Herman
>>> > ------------
sven88


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On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:39:30 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>Another JEW Rabbi in NY state has been caught  dealing drugs - this
>time inside a prison!!!
>
>Rabbi Eli Gottesman,a chaplain at a federal medium security prison at
>Ray Brook, NY got caught with a large bottle filled with sealed
>balloons of cocaine and marijuana.
>
>He is a former head of the "who's Who in canadian Jewry", and has been
>a chaplain of the year named by the NY Board of rabbis.
>
>
>
>On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:52:54 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>
>>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>>Christ.
>
>>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>>business.
>>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>>hoffman@hoffman-info.com (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:
>
>>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn't these two Orthodox Hasidic
>>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering
>
>By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997
>
>NEW YORK -- A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
>rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to
>launder  and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian
>narcotics dealers by routing the cash through the bank accounts of a
>synagogue and a yeshiva in Brooklyn. 
>
>The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought
>together a collection of strange bedfellows -- five New York
>representatives of Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who
>purportedly transported cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with
>ties to a close-knit Jewish community. 
>
> At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions
>of dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively
>modest Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from
>American and Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the
>Colombian drug lords. 
>
>"Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
>traffickers, and the  cynical act of using religious institutions to
>conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible," said Zachary
>Carter, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in
>announcing the charges. 
>
>Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford
>Ave., and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in
>Brooklyn, were arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day
>before U.S. Magistrate Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy
>to launder money. Two suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of
>5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn, also were charged with conspiring to avoid
>federal cash-transaction reporting requirements. 
>
>Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of
>320 Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was
>released on $750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal
>complaint were listed as fugitives, and two more were being held in
>custody elsewhere in New York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst,
>the assistant federal attorney prosecuting the case. 
>
>Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used
>court-authorize wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint
>charged that the two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by
>taking cash from go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a
>synagogue-based organization and, after subtracting commissions,
>writing checks to drug traffickers. 
>
>Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the
>name of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation
>Eitz Chaim at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more
>than $19 million during the 10-month period when the laundering
>transactions occurred, between August 1995 and May 1996. 
>
>Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to
>have written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and
>Knobloch were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in
>drug money by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000
>-- the amount that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting
>requirement -- through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim
>and Bobover Yeshiva, at the same location. 
>
>The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was
>listed by prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of
>people at Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything
>about him or the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim
>Shel Shulem. 
>
>The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick
>front and a small awning imprinted with the institution's name in
>Hebrew. The only words in English on the facade call it "the Katz
>Family of Mexico Building." 
>
>In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people
>were studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who
>would not give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis
>named in the federal complaint. 
>
>The federal investigation -- an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney's
>Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service
>-- began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
>withdrawals intended to circumvent the government's reporting rules in
>various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
>officials said. 
>
>With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other
>techniques, the investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in
>which Grunfeld and Knobloch eventually made more than $1 million in
>deposits and withdrawals -- transactions, they said, that let the
>conspirators move large sums of illicit drug profits. 
>
>Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in
>Monday's complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five
>of them -- Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio
>Rodriguez, 30; Juan Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 --were said to
>have brought in large sums that Colombian drug dealers wanted to
>launder. 
>
>The money was given to three men described as intermediaries -- Jack
>Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40,
>and Fabio Arana, both of Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted
>and stashed the money at an apartment at  243 West 75th St. 
>
>There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was
>later deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel
>Shulem.
>
>Grunfeld, the organization's president, signed checks that were made
>out to "entities in accordance with drug traffickers' instructions,"
>the federal complaint said. 
>
>Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no
>formal connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said.
>Commissions of 13 percent to 15 percent were deducted from the
>laundered money and divided among the intermediaries. 
>
>Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
>community came  into contact with professional money launderers and
>drug traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and
>Grunfeld, and Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy
>a Beech Super King aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
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On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:23:16 GMT, gaygoyken@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:44:25 GMT, john_davis1@spamfree.juno.com (Doc
>Tavish II) wrote:
>
>>Well I'll declare; another EDU web site and it has material on
>>Communists and who they were!
>>
>>Look:
>>
>>Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
>>November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
>>Jews. He was educated in Odessa and in Mykolayiv and was a star pupil
>>with enormous intellectual capabilities.
>>
>>Trotsky's political involvement began in 1896 in a circle of Mykolayiv
>>Populists, but he soon converted to Marxism. After a brief  stay at
>>Odessa University, he returned to Mykolayiv in 1897 to organize the
>>Southern Russian Workers Union. For this he was arrested, jailed, and
>>exiled. He escaped from Siberian exile in 1902, fleeing to Europe and
>>adopting the pseudonym Trotsky. Abroad he joined Lenin, L. Martov,
>>Georgy Plekhanov, and other Russian Social-Democrats, who were
>>publishing Iskra (The Spark). By vitue of his flair for polemic
>>writing and oratorical brilliance, he quickly rose in the party.
>>
>>At the party's Second Congress in 1903 Trotsky opposed Lenin and the
>>Bolsheviks, siding with the Mensheviks. His characteristic
>>independence, however, kept him from cementing any organizational
>>ties. Alone of the major party leaders, he rushed back to Russia to be
>>an active participant in the 1905 Revolution, where he gained
>>practical experience as chairman of the Saint Petersburg Soviet of
>>Workers Deputies. Jailed in December 1905 and later exiled to Siberia,
>>Trotsky used his time to reconsider the paradoxes of revolution in
>>backward Russia. He synthesized his thoughts in two books, 1905 and
>>Results and Prospects.
>>
>>Escaping from Siberia in 1907, Trotsky spent the next decade defending
>>his ideas and engaging in émigré squabbling. The March Revolution of
>>1917 caught him by surprise in New York City, where he wrote for a
>>Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May, quickly assumed
>>leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic Interdistrict
>>Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was renamed)
>>Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as the most
>>eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being courted by
>>Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its Central
>>Committee.
>>
>>As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
>>September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
>>provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
>>support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
>>hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
>>directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
>>revolution......
>>
>>Above found at:
>>http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
>>
>>Let's review: Trotsky was a Jew actually named Bronstein, he was in
>>New York City for a while and he was elected chairman of the Soviet!
>>
>>Does this make sense now? Soviets were Jews?
>>
>>From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
>>Bantam  #13084-6  says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious
>>anti-Semitic prejudices  of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
>>and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
>>harnessed the violent  energies of these willing collaborates to round
>>up and kill Jews."
>>
>>I now ask: "How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
>>Soviets, if the Soviets weren't in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
>>was a Jewish  conceived and run totalitarian state! 
>>
>>>said!>
>>
>>Link to UK site on Russian Revolution:
>>
>>http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
>>
>>Try also:
>>
>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
>>
>>More on Leo Bronstein (I mean Trotsky!)
>>Try:
>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/
>>
>>which states:
>>
>>"Lev Davidovich Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect
>>of the Red Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924."
>>Let's see ol' Bronstein was the Leader of the Revolution and the
>>Architect of the Red Army too!
>>
>>The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia stated:
>>
>>"Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
>>commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
>>the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
>>which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
>>common enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc.,  Vol. I, p. 336).
>>
>>Consider this:
>>
>>Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
>>Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
>>Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
>>Russian Bolshevik party.
>>
>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
>>and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
>>scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
>>824-827).
>>
>>Look the United States Governmet has now at its Library of Congress
>>the Soviet Exhibit that I posted recently!
>>
>>Here is the link:
>>
>>http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Experimental/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>
>>You will run across this:
>>
>>Welcome to the Library of Congress's Soviet Archives exhibit. 
>>
>>I could not find, however, the exhibit in the Library of Congress'
>>Soviet Archives that Sunsite showed:
>>
>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>
>>Once there try all "exhibits" but if you really want an eye-opener try
>>this exhibit:
>>
>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/jac.html
>>
>>You will see as an opener the following:
>>
>>"The Jewish Antifascist Committee (JAC) was formed in Kuibyshev in
>>April 1942. Two Polish Jewish socialists, Henryk Erlich and Viktor
>>Alter (both of whom were later secretly executed), may have proposed
>>the idea to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD. The organization was
>>meant to serve the interests of Soviet foreign policy and the Soviet
>>military through media propaganda -- as well as through personal
>>contacts with Jews abroad, especially in Britain and the United
>>States, designed to influence public opinion and enlist foreign
>>support for the Soviet war effort.
>>
>>The chairman of the JAC was Solomon Mikhoels, a famous actor and
>>director of the Moscow Yiddish State Theater. Shakne Epshtein, a
>>Yiddish journalist, was the secretary and editor of the JAC's
>>newspaper, Einikait (Unity). Other prominent JAC members were the
>>poet Itsik Feffer, a former member of the Bund (a Jewish socialist
>>movement that existed from 1897 to 1921 and supported the Mensheviks
>>[see below for more on the Bund]), the writer Il'ia Ehrenburg,
>>General Aaron Katz of the Stalin Military Academy, and Boris
>>Shimelovich, the chief surgeon of the Red Army, as well as some
>>non-Jews from the arts, sciences, and the military.
>>
>>A year after its establishment, the JAC was moved to Moscow and
>>became one of the most important centers of Jewish culture and
>>Yiddish literature until the German invasion. The JAC broadcast
>>pro-Soviet propaganda to foreign audiences several times a week,
>>telling them of the absence of anti-Semitism and of the great
>>anti-Nazi efforts being made by the Soviet military....."
>>
>>Footnote:
>>
>>The BUND:
>>
>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish
>>workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
>>revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their
>>energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
>>III, pp 824-827).
>>
>>In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth century,
>>not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews had been
>>attracted to the writings of Karl Marx (1818-1883),
>>partly, it seems, because he was Jewish in origin.
>>"On both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was
>>descended from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew.
>>Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
>>
>>Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
>>regulations designed, after the murder of Alexander II,
>>To curb the anti-government activities of Jews;
>>consequently, the " reaction to those excesses was
>>Jewish support of the Bolsheviks. . ."(Univ. Jew. Encyc.,
>>Vol. I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy since
>>the predecessor organization of Russian Communism was the
>>Jewish "Bund." 
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Maybe the JOG censored it.
>>
>>                Doc Tavish Reporting on the spot.
>>                I will find all credible sites
>>                that prove Communism was/is Jewish!
>>                Till the next installment!



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On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:28:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:37 GMT, NSWPP  wrote:

>>LARGEST Social Security Fraud in London's History

>>DAILY MAIL
>>Monday June 15 1998
>>By DAVID WILLIAMS and PETER ALLEN

>>Revealed: The men accused in 
>>31.8 million State Benefit Racket

>>THESE are the men being investigated by fraud-busters 
>>over an alleged 1.8 million benefits racket. The case was 
>>highlighted last month by Welfare Reform Minister Frank 
>>Field as part of a crack-down launched by Labour aimed at 
>>slashing the £36 billion annual cost of welfare fraud.

>>At the time, no one was named. But the Daily Mail has 
>>since tracked down the men at the heart of one of the biggest 
>>ever alleged welfare frauds.

>>They are Soloman Kritzler, 39, and Alexander Eichenstein, 38, 
>>who are suspected of masterminding the racket from their 
>>sprawling homes in a North London suburb.

>>Detectives have questioned the men and four other members of 
>>what Mr Field described as 'an extended family' about 
>>allegations of illegally claiming up to £3,600,000 in housing 
>>benefit and income support. They have also been quizzed 
>>by officers from a special undercover task force set up by 
>>the Department of Social Security (DSS) about a mortgage 
>>fraud worth £31.2 million.

>>The investigators are said to be checking on any links with 
>>massive welfare rackets in the United States, where members 
>>of the family, it has been reported, are alleged to have used 
>>fake identities to make bogus benefit claims.

>>Both men hold trusted positions at the centre of the 
>>ultra-Orthodox community of Hasidic Jews in Stamford Hill, 
>>North London, where details of the unprecedented investigation 
>>has caused consider-able anger.

>>At the home he shares with his wife Esther and their daughter, 
>>Kritzler protested his innocence and said he would fight 
>>to clear his name.

>>'This investigation is without foundation and is a complete 
>>waste of taxpayers' money,' he insisted. 'All of our finances 
>>are in good order. There has been no fraud.

>>'It may well be that we are the victims of anti-semitism. 
>>This seems to be an attack on the law-abiding, decent 
>>community which we have here. We just want to be able to 
>>get on with our lives in peace.

>>'When we were arrested, a very sick woman was put in a 
>>police cell for a night. She was terribly distressed. 
>>This should not have been allowed to happen.'

>>Eichenstein was less forthcoming and when approached 
>>at his family home, his wife Rivka said: 'He has no 
>>comment to make.' Eichenstein lists his official home 
>>as a rundown flat some three streets from the spacious home 
>>where his wife and children live.

>>Partners at the North London chartered accountancy firm 
>>which acts as the registered office for the majority of 
>>the men's companies con-firmed that they had been contacted 
>>by detectives, and that fraud experts were preparing 
>>to examine their records.

>>Fraud investigators are focusing their inquiries on a 
>>network of companies and properties associated 
>>with the family.

>>All of the properties linked to Kritzler and Eichenstein 
>>are within a stone's throw of each other on the Stamford 
>>Hill/Stoke Newington borders. One firm, Acemark Properties 
>>Ltd. is listed at Eichenstein's home.

>>Kritzler has been director of London-based Empire properties 
>>since January and Amvex Investments since 1992.

>>The streets of Stamford Hill are an unlikely setting for a 
>>major investigation of this kind. The area enjoys a feeling 
>>of neighbourly trust long lost in the crime-ridden districts nearby.

>>Police activity is all but non-existent - patrol cars are 
>>already overstretched by the criminal activity related 
>>to the numerous drug dealers and prostitutes in the 
>>southern sector of the Stoke Newington police beat.

>>Both men, together with three women and another man to 
>>whom they are related are currently on bail and have to 
>>return to Stoke Newington police station at the 
>>end of this month.

>>The arrest of the suspects -following simultaneous raids 
>>on four houses in April - is seen by Mr Field as the first 
>>of a series of high profile swoops by the new DSS team.

>>Ministers have decided that they want to 'name and shame' 
>>convicted benefit cheats in an attempt to foster a 
>>'revival of common decencies'.

>>The pilot DSS task force was set up to target organised 
>>housing benefit rackets in London - an initiative which 
>>the Government now plans to extend right across the country.

>>The team discovered that professional crooks were exploiting 
>>loopholes in welfare security to set up fictitious 
>>identities and make bogus claims for a wide range of 
>>benefit allowances in various parts of London and 
>>other cities in Britain.

>>Mr Field is determined to crack down on an area of crime 
>>bleeding tens of millions of pounds each week.

>>The Minister said: 'We are going for the big boys, while 
>>at the same time recognising that we have to bring in much 
>>tighter controls on what is the single biggest budget in 
>>Britain today.'

>>He has admitted that the annual benefits bill of nearly £31 
>>billion remains wide open to fraud and corruption despite 
>>repeated attempts by Whitehall to crack down on the swindlers.



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On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:27:07 GMT, gaygoyken@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:38:00 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>>reconsidered by thinking readers.
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>>Reply-To: kenmcvay@nazikor.org
>>>
>>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism - Don't Deny It
>>>From: ipm@usaor.net (Roger Hughes)
>>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>
>>
>>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism 
>>	
>>>	One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
>>>Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>>them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
>>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>>>	First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side.
>>>Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. 
>>
>>>	While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
>>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>>Archives:         
>>        
>>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>>general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."         
>>         
>>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type."        
>>
>>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>>Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
>>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type." 
>>       
>>         
>>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
>>>`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>>Government."         
>>
>>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>>Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central
>>>Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>>Moisei Uritsky. 
>>
>>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution." 
>>
>>>The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>>"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." 
>>
>>>In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>>here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>>United States Senate, 65th Congress: 
>>
>>>"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>>Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
>>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>>Gordon. 
>>
>>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>>often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>>all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>>were Jews. 
>>
>>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>>did not take kindly to it." 
>>
>>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>>"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
>>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>>"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
>>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920) 
>>
>>>"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>>4, 1919) 
>>	
>>>"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>>"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>>the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) 
>>
>>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>>so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>>himself:
>>
>>>"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>>penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
>>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>>American professor of Russian history. . . "  
>>
>>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>>Communist bosses.
>> 
>>>Regards,
>>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People 
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>                http://www.natall.com  
>>>                http://www.natvan.com
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>     Roger's Page  http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>>>      Keep It White Because You Know It's Right!
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



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On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:27:07 GMT, gaygoyken@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:38:00 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>>reconsidered by thinking readers.
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:37 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>>Reply-To: kenmcvay@nazikor.org
>>>
>>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism - Don't Deny It
>>>From: ipm@usaor.net (Roger Hughes)
>>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>>
>>
>>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism 
>>	
>>>	One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
>>>Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>>them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
>>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>>>	First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side.
>>>Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. 
>>
>>>	While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
>>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>>Archives:         
>>        
>>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>>general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."         
>>         
>>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type."        
>>
>>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>>Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
>>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type." 
>>       
>>         
>>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
>>>`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>>Government."         
>>
>>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>>Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central
>>>Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>>Moisei Uritsky. 
>>
>>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution." 
>>
>>>The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>>"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." 
>>
>>>In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>>here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>>United States Senate, 65th Congress: 
>>
>>>"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>>Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
>>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>>Gordon. 
>>
>>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>>often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>>all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>>were Jews. 
>>
>>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>>did not take kindly to it." 
>>
>>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>>"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
>>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>>"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
>>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920) 
>>
>>>"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>>4, 1919) 
>>	
>>>"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>>"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>>the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) 
>>
>>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>>so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>>himself:
>>
>>>"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>>penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
>>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>>American professor of Russian history. . . "  
>>
>>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>>Communist bosses.
>> 
>>>Regards,
>>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People 
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>                http://www.natall.com  
>>>                http://www.natvan.com
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>     Roger's Page  http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>>>      Keep It White Because You Know It's Right!
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 15:25:12 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:58:34 -0500, Leonid Sklarov
> wrote:
>>Moderate Hutu wrote:
>>> Leonid Sklarov wrote in message <35AEFEAD.1FF1B3F2@sprintmail.com>...
>
>>> >Measuring Gentiles by their attitude toward Jews serves one purpose only -
>>> to see how decent those persons are.
>>> ....
>>> Should it mean that if a person likes Jews but hates all the others, that
>>> person is decent?
>
>
>>> Is it the reason that only Jews are deplored when one speaks about
>>> Holocaust? 
>
>>Hatemongers never were lacking "reasons" to deplore Jews, be it Jesus Christ
>>killing, Crusades, poisoning of wells in mediveal Europe, Black Death,
>>debts owed to Jewish money-lenders, rise of capitalism, rise of communism...
>>you name it. Now Jews are "guilty"  of daring to mention Holocaust... What else
>>is new?
>
>People who have survived the occupation by the JEW Soviets, such as
>those in the Baltics, and the few survivors of the genocide in
>Ukraine, obviously have a different perspective.
>
>After all, what can one expect from a people responsible for the
>murder of Jesus Christ??
>
>
>
>On 13 Oct 1997 20:53:52 GMT, ANitschke@t-online.de (Andreas Nitschke)
>wrote:
>>Roger Hughes wrote at 12.10.97 about "Bolsheviks Were JEWS, not Russians":
>
>>> Reply-To: kenmcvay@nazikor.org
>>> Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism - Don't Deny It
>>> From: ipm@usaor.net (Roger Hughes)
>>> Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>
>>> "National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>> characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>> extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>> cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>> penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>>Under Stalin the written law was not so important. It was one part of the
>>propaganda. There were some good sounding laws. But they had not much to to
>>with the brutal realitiy, including persecution of jews.
>
>>Others said, that the jews were responsible for the bad sides of Capitalism  
>>and so on.
>>I think, that people who are against jews want to make them responsible for
>>all bad things, which were happened in history.
>>      Andreas Nitschke
>
>>E-Mail: ANitschke@T-Online.de    Fido: 2:249/5090.3
>
>
>Reply-To: kenmcvay@nazikor.org
>
>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism - Don't Deny It
>From: ipm@usaor.net (Roger Hughes)
>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation
>
>
>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism 
>	
>	One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called
>"Russian Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming
>majority of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those
>sympathetic to them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who
>brings up these facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a
>Jewish created and lead revolutionary movement.
>
>	First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism,
>Karl Marx, was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his
>father's side. Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant
>importance, since Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance
>to Judaism. A great bulk of Jews today would probably identify
>themselves as atheists, but also nonetheless consider themselves Jews.
>
>
>	While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism,
>will concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables
>that passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington
>D.C. during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The
>following quotes are taken directly from documents available from the
>U.S. Archives:         
>         
>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet
>government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."         
>         
>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on
>July 5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet
>government in each town consists of Jews of the worst type."        
>
>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest
>type." 
>       
>         
>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok,
>reports on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here
>were 384 `commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen,
>22 Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had
>come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the
>Imperial Government."         
>
>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central
>Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn),
>foreign affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev
>(Rosenfeld) and Moisei Uritsky. 
>
>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care
>little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and
>they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution." 
>
>The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."
>
>
>In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik
>Propaganda Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the
>Judiciary, United States Senate, 65th Congress: 
>
>"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east
>side of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the
>American Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much
>pleased that there was somebody who could speak English, and their
>broken English showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A
>number of these men called on me and were impressed with the strange
>Yiddish element in this thing right from the beginning, and it soon
>became evident that more than half the agitators in the socalled
>Bolshevik movement were Jews...I have a firm conviction that this
>thing is Yiddish, and that one of its bases is found in the east side
>of New York...The latest startling information, given me by someone
>with good authority, startling information, is this, that in December,
>1918, in the northern community of Petrograd that is what they call
>the section of the Soviet regime under the Presidency of the man known
>as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff) out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be
>real Russians, with the exception of one man, a Negro from America who
>calls himself Professor Gordon. 
>
>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing
>on the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and
>I often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway.
>This all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews,
>because there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in
>Petrograd, but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of
>the agitators were Jews. 
>
>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now
>that was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real
>Russians did not take kindly to it." 
>
>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>
>"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
>Hebrew, September 10, 1920) 
>
>"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London
>April, 4, 1919) 
>	
>"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin,
>Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>
>"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) 
>
>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>himself:
>
>"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic
>customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as
>an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the
>death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>
>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>virtually untouched.
>
>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80
>percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln,
>an American professor of Russian history. . . "  
>
>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons
>were murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of
>them directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of
>Jewish Communist bosses.
>  
>Regards,
>Roger Hughes
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Towards a New Consciousness; a New Order; a New People 
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>                http://www.natall.com  
>                http://www.natvan.com
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>     Roger's Page  http://www.usaor.net/users/ipm/
>      Keep It White Because You Know It's Right!
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Abusive emails will be posted to the Usenet and ridiculed.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:55 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:54:25 GMT, vincent@dreamon.com wrote:
>
>>[From The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992 issue]
>>
>> "The Secret Files: How AIPAC Can Slander You By Stealth -- An
>>Insider's Expose"
>>
>>-or-
>>
>>"The Secret Section in Israel's U.S. Lobby That Stifles American
>>Debate"
>>
>> by Gregory D. Slabodkin
>>
>> 
>>During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in
>>the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were
>>ruined by false charges of "communism" and "treason," American Jewry
>>was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail
>>by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the
>>percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy's smear tactics was twice
>>that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed
>>resolutions condemning McCarthy's ruthless character assassination.
>>
>>Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the American Israel
>>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle
>>open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>Secretly Circulated Lists
>>
>>
>> To Conduct this "neo-McCarthyism," AIPAC operates a covert section
>>within its research department that monitors and keeps files on
>>politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish
>>liberals, and others it labels "anti-Israel."  AIPAC selects
>>information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the
>>"guilty," together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed
>>by their statements, often totally out of context.
>>
>>Just as McCarthy's permanent investigations subcommittee labeled
>>criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as "anti-
>>American" or "pro-Soviet," AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli
>>government policies "anti-Israel," "pro-Arab" or "pro-PLO."  Still
>>worse is the pro-Israel lobby's redefinition of "anti-Semitism" to
>>include any such criticism of Israel or its actions.
>>
>> To date, revelations about AIPAC's blacklisting and smear tactics
>>have barely scratched the surface of the pro-Israel lobby's secret
>>activities. Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his 1985 best-selling
>>book _They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
>>Israel's Lobby_, documented what he could see of that lobby's impact
>>on U.S. politics, defense, foreign and economic policies, as well as
>>academia and the media. However, as an insider who worked within
>>AIPAC's stealth section, I can confirm what Findley could only
>>surmise. That an organized blacklisting operation exists is a tragic
>>fact that no longer should be ignored.
>>
>> AIPAC's "opposition research" department traces its roots to I.L.
>>(Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC's weekly
>>_Near East Report_, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly
>>titled column, "The Monitor."  Besides monitoring, analyzing, and
>>responding to "anti-Israel" comment and activities in the United
>>States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC's "enemies."  In his final year
>>AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
>>
>> Kenen's memoirs, _Israel's Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in 
>>Washington_, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the
>>American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to
>>create a "truth squad."  Its purpose was to combat "pro-Arab
>>propaganda" and the emerging "Arab lobby," which Kenen believed to be
>>a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
>>
>> "While vigorously defending Israel's perceived interests, the
>>organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of
>>Jewish thought police," journalist Robert I. Friedman explains.
>>"Investigators -- sometimes overzealous Jewish college students,
>>sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies -- were
>>used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they
>>might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists,
>>politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and
>>writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other
>>professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of
>>anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The
>>intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish
>>community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind
>>would weaken the Jewish state."
>>
>> When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December
>>1974, the task of monitoring Israel's "enemies" was left to the
>>department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained
>>ever since.
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Israel's "Enemies"
>>
>>
>>Morris Amitay, Kenen's successor as AIPAC executive director, did not 
>>follow Kenen's practice of countering "pro-Arab propaganda" with
>>polished editorials in the _Near East Report_.  Amitay was more
>>concerned with developing AIPAC into a first-rate lobbying
>>organization, as demonstrated by the fact that AIPAC grew dramatically
>>during his six-year reign. These also were key years in the growth of
>>intelligence gathering.
>>
>>Some of the growth resulted from the challenge presented by a small, 
>>dovish, Jewish organization of the late 1970s known as Breira.
>>"Breira," the Hebrew word for "alternative," was organized by a tiny
>>group of American Jewish rabbis, professors and other activists from
>>the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 1960s.
>>
>>Recognizing that the U.S. Jewish community was not monolithic on the
>>subject of Israel, Breira encouraged American Jews to question
>>Israel's policies in the occupied territories after the 1967 Six-Day
>>War and to engage in an open and frank debate on U.S. foreign policy
>>in the Middle East. Many Breira positions reflected those of the Peace
>>Now movement in Israel.
>>
>>However, American Jewish organizations would not tolerate in the U.S. 
>>the dissent that characterized political debate in Israel. Instead
>>AIPAC and other Jewish organizations set out to silence Breira by
>>discrediting its members. Although these Jewish peaceniks were
>>motivated by love and concern for Israel, they were smeared as "anti-
>>Israel," "pro-PLO," and "self-hating Jews."
>>
>>Kenen, still serving as acting editor of AIPAC's _Near East Report_, 
>>charged that Breira "undermined U.S. support for Israel."  Only one
>>prominent Jewish leader defended Breira. He was Rabbi Alexander
>>Schindler, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
>>who called the attack on Breira a "witch hunt."  He was ignored,
>>however, and the swift and successful campaign to snuff out Breira set
>>the "rules" for dissent in the American Jewish community, as well as
>>who would be the "enforcer" of these "rules."
>>
>>As Edward Tivnan observed in his book, _The Lobby: Jewish Political 
>>Power and American Foreign Policy_: "By attacking Breira, Jewish
>>leaders had turned over much of their power to AIPAC, Israel's most
>>loyal agent in the U.S. and a proved enemy of dissent from Israeli
>>policies, among Jews as well as gentiles."
>>
>>In the late 1970s and early 1980s, AIPAC published an annual "Who's
>>Who" of "anti-Israel organizations and personalities, providing
>>important background information for AIPAC members who must deal with
>>them in the political arena."  AIPAC photocopied these "enemies lists"
>>to meet increasing requests by its members for materials on
>>"anti-Israel" forces.
>>
>>
>>AIPAC's "War for Washington"
>>
>>
>>Thomas Dine, a former legislative assistant to Senator Ted Kennedy,
>>who replaced Amitay in 1980 as AIPAC executive director, expanded
>>AIPAC's opposition research. This was part of Dine's "War for
>>Washington," inspired by what he portrayed as the dramatic growth of
>>"anti-Israel" organizations in the nation's capital. AIPAC was
>>particularly worried about the Arab-American community, just beginning
>>to organize.
>>
>>In August 1982, AIPAC hired Amy Goott as its first full-time employee
>>to monitor Israel's "enemies."  Goott was recruited from the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, where she had similar duties.
>>In a speech at the 1983 AIPAC Policy Conference, Goott called on AIPAC
>>members to send useful information to her in Washington.
>>
>>In June 1983, AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_, 
>>coauthored by Goott. As Dine explained in the handbook's preface, its
>>purpose was to update the activities of "anti-Israel" organizations
>>and individuals, and to provide a "more complete and convenient
>>analysis of this activity" to "meet the needs of AIPAC members."  Yet,
>>despite its glossy cover and carefully worded and seemingly objective
>>descriptions, _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_ was nothing more than
>>a blacklist. By lumping them together, it sought to categorize critics
>>of all kinds as "enemies" of Israel. The final chapter, "A Directory
>>of the Actors," profiled 21 organizations and 38 individuals to be
>>monitored and discredited whenever possible.
>>
>>At about the same time that AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit
>>
>>Israel_, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith published its own 
>>document entitled _Pro-Arab Propaganda in America: Vehicles and
>>Voices_. Overlaps in the texts and the timing reflect Ms. Goott's
>>employment by both organizations during the period both publications
>>were in preparation.
>>
>>"The primary accusation leveled against the groups and individuals 
>>listed in the B'nai B'rith and AIPAC books is that they are
>>'pro-Palestinian' or 'pro-PLO,'" Cheryl Rubenberg writes in her book,
>>_Israel and the American National Interest_.  "Pro-Israeli groups have
>>succeeded in associating the words 'Palestinian' and 'PLO' with
>>terrorism in the minds of Americans; then with techniques reminiscent
>>of the McCarthy era, they smear their opposition with the label
>>'pro-PLO.'"
>>
>>The smear campaign did not go totally unchallenged within the U.S. 
>>Jewish community. In December 1983, _New York Times_ columnist Anthony
>>Lewis criticized AIPAC's tactics, particularly the inclusion in its
>>"enemies list" of Walid Khalidi, a Palestinian intellectual living in
>>Boston, as does Lewis.
>>
>>Khalidi supports a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. In
>>
>>its handbook, however, AIPAC quoted selectively from one of his
>>articles to depict him as an extremist calling for the destruction of
>>Israel.
>>
>>"Joe McCarthy could not have produced a nastier distortion" of
>>Khalidi's views, Lewis wrote. He suggested that Israel's lobby should
>>welcome Palestinian moderation instead of trying to "smear" it.
>> 
>>In November 1984, the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the 
>>largest organization of Middle East educators in the United States,
>>unanimously condemned AIPAC and ADL blacklisting. MESA called on both 
>>national Jewish organizations to "disavow and refrain from such
>>activities" as soliciting "unbalanced information on students, faculty
>>and other parties at American campuses" and "listing factually
>>inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions that defame specific
>>students, teachers and researchers as 'pro-Arab propagandists,' who
>>'use their anti-Zionism as merely a guise for their deeply felt
>>anti-Semitism.'"
>>
>>When it released the first edition of _The Campaign to Discredit
>>Israel_ in 1983, AIPAC had announced plans to publish updated versions
>>annually. 
>>
>>However, due to the negative publicity it engendered, the first
>>edition was also the last. Instead, AIPAC continued its monitoring of
>>"anti-Israel" activities, but disseminated the results secretly.
>>
>>
>> Going Underground
>> 
>>
>>AIPAC's decision to take its opposition research underground coincided
>>
>>with the hiring in the mid-1980s of Michael Lewis and Anna Gottlieb.
>>Gottlieb joined AIPAC after a stint at the Justice Department's Office
>>of Special Investigations (OSI). Lewis came to AIPAC from the
>>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank closely
>>associated with the pro-Israel lobby.  
>>
>>He is the son of Princeton University "orientalist" Bernard Lewis,
>>whose writings have been criticized in the Middle East for denigrating
>>Islam as a religion and Arabs as a people.
>>
>>Michael Lewis, the present head of AIPAC's stealth section,
>>innocuously named Policy Analysis, describes it as a "clearing-house"
>>for information on anti-Israel organizations and activists to provide
>>a "resource, and fulfill a need, unreplicated anywhere else."  He has
>>provided negative information both to rival politicians and to
>>journalists about prominent individuals whom 
>>
>>
>>AIPAC considers to be "anti-Israel."
>>
>>
>>In one case Lewis provided information that became the basis of a
>>racist brochure mailed to voters in California's 44th congressional
>>district by candidate Randy "Duke" Cunningham's campaign in the spring
>>of 1990. The brochure accused former U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Joseph
>>Ghougassian, Cunningham's Republican primary election opponent, of
>>being "bank-rolled by Arab oil interests."  The brochure, featuring a
>>photo of Ghougassian with a drawing of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi,
>>asked: "We don't need a congressman bought and paid for by these
>>special interests.  Do we?"
>>
>>What made this brochure particularly offensive was the fact that 
>>Cunningham's campaign listed contributors to Ghougassian with Arabic
>>sounding last names, all of whom were in fact U.S. citizens, and
>>included the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA).
>>Ghougassian, an Egyptian-born Armenian and naturalized U.S. citizen,
>>lost the primary race against Cunningham who, with AIPAC's support,
>>went on to win a seat in the 102nd Congress.
>>
>>Lewis reports that AIPAC also "provided Steve Emerson with information
>>
>>on Alexander Cockburn."  That followed a heated exchange between 
>>Israel-apologist Emerson and frequent critic of Israel Cockburn on the
>>
>>editorial page of _The Wall Street Journal_ in May 1990. Emerson
>>attacked Cockburn for his "financial agenda."
>>
>>"It ought to be remembered," Emerson wrote, "that several years ago
>>Mr. Cockburn secretly took $10,000 from an organization that had been
>>funded primarily by the governments of Iraq and Libya and by a bank
>>known as the PLO's bank."
>>
>>Emerson's charge was based on a story which had appeared in a weekly 
>>alternative newspaper, _The Boston Phoenix_, on Jan. 10, 1984.  _The
>>Phoenix_ reported that Cockburn received in 1982 a $10,000 grant from
>>the now defunct Institute of Arab Studies to write a book on the
>>Israeli invasion of Lebanon and, because Cockburn did not inform them,
>>editors of the _Village Voice_ "indefinitely suspended" him due to
>>"appearance of conflict [of interest] and nondisclosure."
>>
>>Not surprisingly, AIPAC was the source of the original _Phoenix_ story
>>
>>as well as Emerson's attack based on it in _The Wall Street Journal_.
>>Alan Lupo, _The Boston Phoenix_ reporter who broke the story back in
>>1984, said AIPAC had told him the Institute for Arab Studies was
>>"linked to a $100 million campaign to sway U.S. policy against
>>Israel."  In fact, the Institute had U.S. tax-exempt status and listed
>>individual contributors within the United States until it closed down
>>in 1983 due to a lack of funds.
>>
>>Deploring the AIPAC-generated "misinformation," editor David 
>>Schneiderman of the _Village Voice_ wrote on Jan. 24, 1984: "What
>>Cockburn did not do was take money from an 'Arab propaganda group.'
>>Moreover he was not 'bought'--he clearly received the grant because of
>>views he already firmly held. The _Phoenix_ offered no evidence that
>>the Institute [of Arab Studies] is anything more than what it purports
>>to be. And despite the reporter's clumsy attempt to say so, Arab does
>>not always equal Palestinian which does not always equal terrorist.
>>His unquestioned adoption of claims by the Anti-Defamation League and
>>the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, hardly disinterested
>>parties, is poor journalism."
>>
>>Even _The Wall Street Journal_, a newspaper with a demonstrated 
>>pro-Israel editorial bias, questioned the AIPAC-originated charges. In
>>a Jan. 13, 1984 editorial, _WSJ_ editor Robert Bartley wrote: "Among
>>all the things I can imagine Alex doing, this one seems fairly
>>innocuous... On all this we have no opinion, except that even Arabs
>>should enjoy freedom of speech."
>>
>> _The Wall Street Journal_ continued to run Cockburn's monthly column 
>>opposite the editorial page. Said the _Journal_, tongue only partly in
>>cheek, "We hired him because of his biases, which we're sure are
>>totally incorruptible."
>>
>>In both of the cases cited, AIPAC attempted to discredit critics of 
>>Israel not by refuting their arguments, but by trying to tie them to
>>Arab money. Making an Arab connection can damage the victim's
>>reputation, the pro-Israel lobby believes, so long as it can encourage
>>a mindset in the United States that anything Arab-related is tainted.
>>
>>Ironically, it is precisely the same kind of racist stereotype to
>>which the Jewish community is so sensitive, particularly the charge
>>that Jews exert tremendous influence through the use of their money.
>>Jewish organizations can and do talk about the power of "Arab money"
>>and "petro-dollars," yet are quick to decry as anti-Semitic similar
>>innuendo regarding Jewish financing.
>>
>>In another case, AIPAC executive director Dine asked Lewis to analyze 
>>the positions of Brookings Institution Middle East specialist Judith
>>Kipper. In an Aug. 17, 1990 memo, Lewis responded: "For the most part,
>>Kipper is extremely skillful in her writings and statements to avoid
>>being pinned down as 'anti-Israel.'  She often achieves her goals by
>>presenting the views of 'moderate Israelis' to state her case."
>>
>>In _The New Republic_, and ardently pro-Israel magazine, writer David 
>>Segal put a more positive spin on Kipper's views in its March 25, 1991
>>issue: 
>>
>>"Her analysis throughout the Gulf crisis said little about the
>>politics of the Middle East, but a great deal about the politics of
>>Judith Kipper. It's not that she's anti-Israel -- her criticism would
>>put her not far from the center of the Israeli Labor Party -- or that
>>she is pro-Arab. Rather, her politics stem from an unwavering
>>quasi-religious faith in the power of dialogue."
>>
>>There is no greater admission of guilt and wrongdoing than AIPAC's 
>>strenuous attempts to conceal its blacklisting activities. Senior
>>AIPAC officials fear that public outrage might follow disclosure of
>>their covert activities. The name change from "Opposition Research" to
>>"Policy Analysis" was designed to conceal AIPAC's surveillance,
>>monitoring, and intelligence-gathering operations. In an Aug 7, 1990
>>internal memorandum to Steve Rosen, AIPAC Foreign Policy Issues
>>director, Lewis boasted: 
>>
>>"There is no question that we exert a policy impact, but working
>>behind the scenes and taking care not to leave fingerprints, that
>>impact is not always traceable to us."
>>
>>As part of its intelligence-gathering operation, Policy Analysis has 
>>created a fictional person and a bogus company to infiltrate opposing 
>>organizations by paying membership dues or making donations to them.
>>This AIPAC creation is "Paul Hunt" of "Paul Hunt & Associates."  AIPAC
>>rents a post office box on Capitol Hill for Mr. Hunt's mail, and has
>>installed a separate Paul Hunt telephone line in the AIPAC office.
>>"Paul Hunt" has even been listed as a donor to the _Washington Report
>>on Middle East Affairs_. 
>>
>>Secret _Activities_
>>
>>Nowhere is secrecy more meticulously applied than to the production
>>and distribution of _Activities_, the weekly AIPAC publication which
>>disseminates information on individuals and organizations critical of
>>Israel or Israeli policies. Although _Activities_ is the most visible
>>product of its Policy Analysis section, AIPAC takes great pains to
>>hide its connection with _Activities_, in order to avoid the
>>controversy that arose over its blacklisting of "enemies" in its 1983
>>publication of _The Campaign to 
>>
>>
>>Discredit Israel_.
>>
>>
>> _Activities_' select and tightly controlled recipients are encouraged
>>to use the material as they see fit, "subject only to the provision
>>that AIPAC not be attributed as its source."  _Activities_ is
>>distributed to AIPAC's Washington and regional staff, its officers,
>>the major Jewish organizational leaders, Jewish Federations and
>>Community Relations Councils around the nation, pro-Israel activists
>>and academics.
>>
>>It also goes to the Israeli Embassy in Washington and to other
>>Israelis both in the U.S. and in Israel. AIPAC employees are not
>>permitted to take _Activities_ out of the office and may not mention
>>the existence of _Activities_ outside AIPAC's walls. A disquieting
>>breach of security was revealed at the 1990 national convention of the
>>American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) when that
>>organization's president, Abdeen Jabara, referred casually to having
>>received an AIPAC study entitled 
>>
>>
>>_Activities_.
>>
>>
>>Assessing the problem, Lewis wrote in an April 2, 1990 memorandum to 
>>Dine: "_Activities_ is distributed to some 400+ people, so it will
>>probably be impossible to trace the source of this leak. There is
>>nothing in _Activities_ which points to who is its originator and it
>>is sent out in plain envelopes, so the material obviously did not just
>>accidentally get passed on to ADC. This is the first time that any of
>>these groups have made any reference to their being in receipt of
>>_Activities_."
>>
>>Information contained in _Activities_ has been used by the National 
>>Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC), American Jewish 
>>Congress (AJC), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Committee for
>>Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), National Jewish
>>Coalition (NJC), and the Jewish Institute for National Security
>>Affairs (JINSA).
>>
>>According to Lewis: "Because _Activities_ is read by many of the major
>>
>>Jewish and pro-Israel organizational players, _Activities_ ensures
>>that there is a cognizance of the activities of the anti-Israel forces
>>both in Washington and the grassroots and the issues on which they are
>>focusing.
>>
>>Ultimately, of all the information disseminated from AIPAC,
>>_Activities_ may well be the most eagerly sought, read and used to
>>good advantage."
>>
>>One of the ways that this information was "used to good advantage" was
>>
>>in a 1990 American Jewish Congress fund-raising letter. It accused
>>Executive Director James Zogby of the Arab American Institute of "the
>>new anti-Semitism" (criticism of Israeli policies) and compared him
>>with white supremacist David Duke and black nationalist Rev. Louis
>>Farrakhan because Zogby criticized pro-Israel political action
>>committees. No sources were given in the letter for quotations
>>attributed to Zogby.
>>
>>When Zogby protested, AJC Executive Director Henry Siegman, whose name
>>
>>appeared at the bottom of the letter, denied prior knowledge of the
>>mailing and blamed overzealous fund-raisers for its wording.
>>_Washington Post_ columnist Richard Cohen wrote in an Oct. 3, 1990,
>>column, "There's no doubt in my mind that the American Jewish
>>Congress' letter writers went off half-cocked -- and without Siegman's
>>knowledge. "It might surprise Cohen to know that Siegman, not AJC's
>>fund-raisers, is one of the select recipients of AIPAC's _Activities_,
>>from which every one of the quotes attributed to Zogby had been taken.
>>
>>Nor, after publication of Cohen's article, was it some unnamed "letter
>>
>>writer" but Siegman, personally, who contacted AIPAC's Michael Lewis
>>for help in trying to build a case that Zogby was indeed an
>>"anti-Semite."  Lewis faxed an AIPAC "living memo" of Zogby's
>>statements, actions and affiliations to Siegman in New York.
>>
>>"I hope this information is of help," Lewis wrote on the cover sheet. 
>>
>>"The compilation as such should not be sent to Richard Cohen, and the 
>>information should not be attributed to AIPAC."
>>
>>Writing in the _Village Voice_ on Jan. 22, 1991, Nat Hentoff argued
>>that the AJC letter had "resurrected the spirit of Joe McCarthy."
>>Hentoff also quoted Zogby's reaction to his own personal ordeal with
>>neo-McCarthyism: 
>>
>>"When the ADL and AIPAC falsely and maliciously labeled me a
>>'terrorist member of the PLO' speaking engagements were canceled,
>>political candidates refused to associate with me, and my family and I
>>were harassed and threatened with violence. Now, I know that ADL and
>>AIPAC were not involved in the harassment or the violence -- but
>>vilification and scurrilous attacks of the sort they indulged in can
>>create the atmosphere in which ugly actions can occur."
>>
>>Siegman never apologized to Zogby for the actions of his "overzealous 
>>fund-raisers."
>>
>>
>> Disingenuous Disclaiming
>>
>>
>>AIPAC is careful never to advocate specific actions to be taken
>>against individuals and organizations named in _Activities_. In fact,
>>it puts on the front cover of every edition the disingenuous
>>disclaimer that "the inclusion of material in _Activities_ implies
>>neither endorsement nor criticism of any group."  By distributing
>>derogatory allegations about critics of Israel, however, AIPAC in
>>effect tells pro-Israel activists, "Here are the people who are your
>>enemies -- now go out and do something about it!"
>>
>>AIPAC's Policy Analysis section works closely with its college liaison
>>department, the Political Leadership Development Program (PLDP). When
>>AIPAC is informed of an upcoming speech by an "anti-Israel"
>>personality, summaries of that person's standard arguments,
>>question-and-answer style, and a list of possibly damaging quotations
>>are sent to pro-Israel activists at the host institution, who also are
>>asked to send tapes or accounts of the speech back to AIPAC. AIPAC
>>also draws up questions for "plants" in the audience, and suggests
>>other strategies suited to the particular venue.
>>
>>Typical of this kind of preparation was a confidential memo sent in
>>1985 to AIPAC opposition researcher Anna Gottlieb by AIPAC regional
>>director Murray Wood in Los Angeles. For an October 20th "Conference
>>on Peace With Justice in the Middle East" at Mira Costa College,
>>arrangements were made to "monitor the conference...have a corps of
>>'our' people in the audience, well-trained and briefed...call a
>>meeting with the local ADL and American Jewish Committee directors to
>>develop a coordinated strategy...(and provide) background material" on
>>the speakers.
>>
>>Human rights activist Noam Chomsky, a linguistics professor at 
>>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, described the ADL file compiled
>>on him: "It's just like an FBI file -- 150 pages of material, clips
>>from newspapers and inter-office memos saying I was going to show up
>>at this or that place, surveillance of talks I have given,
>>characterization of what was said in the talks [often falsified]. All
>>this material goes into a central source. Then when I give a talk
>>somewhere, my file will be given to the appropriate local group, who
>>will be able to dig through it, and come up with statements that I
>>allegedly made at some time during the last 15 years to be publicized
>>in unsigned pamphlets."
>>
>>Under lock and key in the office of Michael Lewis are literally
>>hundreds and hundreds of such files on people and organizations that
>>AIPAC deems to be "anti-Israel."  Among politicians upon whom such
>>files exist are former Bush administration White House Chief of Staff
>>John Sununu, former Reagan administration secretaries of defense
>>Caspar Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, former President Jimmy Carter
>>and former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, Senate
>>Minority Leader Robert Dole, Republican Senate John Chafee, House
>>Majority Whip David Bonior, and Democratic Representatives John
>>Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Mary Rose Oakar, Nick Joe
>>Rahall, James Traficant and many others.
>>
>> The largest file that AIPAC keeps on any single person is that of 
>>District of Columbia "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson. While AIPAC's 
>>surveillance and monitoring is mostly confined to an individual's 
>>professional statements and activities, in Jackson's case, AIPAC was
>>caught venturing into personal innuendo. As revealed by CBS' "60
>>Minutes," an internal AIPAC memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1987 proposed
>>generating media interest in allegations that Jackson had extramarital
>>affairs.
>>
>>AIPAC also maintains files on what it characterizes as "anti-Israel" 
>>journalists to stifle open media discussion on the Middle East. AIPAC 
>>maintains files on Peter Jennings, Mike Wallace, Patrick Buchanan,
>>Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, Thomas Friedman, Anthony Lewis,
>>Richard Cohen, Carl Rowan, Alexander Cockburn and Joseph Sobran, among
>>others.
>>
>>Reminiscent of Senator Joe McCarthy's scouring of Hollywood for 
>>"communists," and their "fellow travelers" in the entertainment
>>industry, AIPAC also has opened files on Ed Asner, Woody Allen,
>>Richard Dreyfus, Vanessa Redgrave, Casey Kasem, Mike Farrell, Barbra
>>Streisand, Michael Moore, Peter Yarrow, and many more.
>>
>> 
>>"Have You No Shame?"
>>
>>
>> In the spring of 1954, a nationwide audience watching the televised
>>Army-McCarthy hearings sat transfixed as Boston attorney Joseph Welch
>>stood to demand of Senator McCarthy, "Sir, have you no shame?"  Only
>>after that dramatic confrontation, pictured over and over as
>>intimidated journalists and politicians finally dared to speak out,
>>did the shadow of "McCarthyism" slowly recede from American public
>>life.
>> 
>>Today, some Jewish organizations finally are asking that same question
>>of the Israel lobby. Two years ago, several local Jewish community
>>relations organizations issued a statement condemning an attack by the
>>hard-line Americans For A Safe Israel (AFSI) against the New Israel
>>Fund (NIF).
>> 
>>This local initiative inspired a resolution adopted nationally by the
>>National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC)
>>condemning the "McCarthy-like" tactics used by some Jewish
>>organizations. The resolution proposed guidelines for dealing with
>>"the right of dissent" on Israeli policies, and emphasized the
>>importance of open and thoughtful exchange in an atmosphere of "mutual
>>tolerance and civility."  However, while NJCRAC denounced such fringe
>>groups as AFSI, it failed to address the problem of neo-McCarthyism
>>within more mainstream Jewish organizations.
>>
>>AIPAC and ADL must be held accountable by the organized American
>>Jewish community for their blacklisting and smear tactics and for the
>>climate of hatred and repression they have created. Let American
>>Jewish organizations demand that AIPAC stop circulation of its
>>blacklists and destroy the files it keeps on the "enemies of Israel."
>>
>>Only if Americans refuse to be silenced by false charges of hatred and
>>racism can there be free and open debate on U.S. policy in the Middle
>>East.  
>>
>>And only through such debate will the U.S. be able to contribute
>>toward a lasting solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
>>
>>[Gregory D. Slabodkin, a free-lance writer in Washington, DC, was an
>>opposition researcher for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee
>>(AIPAC) in 1990 and 1991.]
>>
>>Call the American Educational Trust TOLL-FREE at 1-800-368-5788 or
>>write: American Educational Trust P.O. Box 53062 Washington, DC 20009
>>
>> NOTE: They may still be giving out free sample copies of _The
>>Washington Report on Middle East Affairs_.  Ask for one!   * END
>>
>>
>>
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On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:27:29 GMT, gaygoyken@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:19:23 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:06:54 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>
>>>PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> dddddddddddddd
>>>> 
>>>> Grigori, if you do not know or do not believe me, please read the
>>>> monograph about Lazar Kaganowich by his American cousin titled The Wolf
>>>> of the Kremlin.  Stven eventually was given permission by Brezhnev to
>>>> visit his uncle in Moscow.  Look in Stevens book at the photo of his
>>>> aunt Rosa and unkle Mikhail Kaganovich who was shot with the blessing of
>>>> Lazar and Rosa for treason which was sympathy for Israel.
>>>> 
>>>> Mikhail learned zionsim on his trip in USA during WW II and he was
>>>> commissar of Soviet aviation.
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski deserves from you apology, but I doubut he will get it.
>>>> 
>>>> Some Jews are simply michigene
>>>> ---------
>>>> RAgan
>>>> 
>>>> Grigori Khaskin wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > PAWLIKOWSKI (polhistsoc@earthlink.net) wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > : Klan of Kaganoviches, Soviet Jews who ran USSR at that time (Rosa
>>>> > : Kaganowich, M.D. being at that time Stalins wife) felt scorned by
>>>> > : Israel.  Hell know no furry as the woman scorned!
>>>> >
>>>> > What interesting here, that all it is lie, but the name of Lazar
>>>> > Kaganovich.
>>>> >
>>>> > #1. Kaganovich had no "clan", especially one who was running USSR.
>>>> >
>>>> > Better you, patologycal judofob, invent something new, remotely close to
>>>> > reality, like "Georgian Djugashvili when studied in christian seminary was
>>>> > forcefullyu converted to Judaizm and than under name Stalin
>>>> > successfully tried to kill all polish christians worldwide".
>>>> >
>>>> > #2. STalin never had a wife with the name "Rosa", not talking about Rosa
>>>> > Kaganovich, M.D. because:
>>>> >
>>>> > #3. Lazar Kaganovich NEVER have a sister Rosa Kaganovich.
>>>> >
>>>> > That lies you are repeating was put in circulation with Russian
>>>> > antisemitic blacj hundred organization "Pamiat" in the end of 80th and
>>>> > was exposed countless times as an open lie in Russian periodicals.
>>>> >
>>>> > #4. Affiliation of patologycal commie Kaganovich and Israel came from the
>>>> > same garbage dumpster.
>>>> >
>>>> > #5. Stalin with the help of his henchmen Beria at the time was preparing
>>>> > the wholesale deportation Jews to death camps in Siberia, and started to
>>>> > unfold so-called "Case of Jewish doctors", implicating all Jewish M.D. who
>>>> > worked in Kremlin hospital killing of communist party leaders admitted to
>>>> > hospital. It had to become a spark to deportation. Thanx G-d the bastard
>>>> > died himself on Purim night and deportation was aborted.
>>>> >
>>>> > Does it look, like that scenario was running by a jews? Dear
>>>> > Padlikowsky? Maybe unexisted M.D. Kaganovich tried to get rid of worldwide
>>>> > known M.D. in Moscow?
>>>> >
>>>> > You are laughable, moron.
>>>> >
>>>> > With utmost sincerity,
>>>> >
>>>> > G.K.
>>>> >
>>>> > : USSR hoped to control Arab oilpipes then going  through Israel.
>>>> >
>>>> > Pipelines THROUGH Israel? Pumping oil there in 1940th? Time to call Mr.
>>>> > Padlikowsky a veterinarian, and teacher in geography.
>>>> >
>>>> > : USSR staged Kielce and other pogroms to stock Palestine with Soviet
>>>> > : Jews  but these indoctrinated Jews did not bother with USSR once in
>>>> > : Israel.
>>>> >
>>>> > No, no. Glory of Kielce is a badge of honor on your antisemitic mighty
>>>> > chest.
>>>> >
>>>> > But what pogrom in Kielce has in common with stocking of Palestine with
>>>> > SOVIET jews? Especially when all info about Kielce was immediately
>>>> > SUPPRESSED for ten's of years?
>>>> >
>>>> > Why it was almost IMPOSSIBLE to get from Russia to Israel all that years??
>>>> > And it was a multitude of jews who was refused an exit visas and instead
>>>> > of Near East were sent to Far North?
>>>> >
>>>> > : Elementary HErmie HH
>>>> > : ---------
>>>> > : Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > Unfortunately, that tipe of lies almost never elementary. despite such a
>>>> > lies have been produced by thou who have one convolution in the brain, and
>>>> > even this one was straiten by Waffen SS side-cap. Unfortunately a rebuke
>>>> > required and time had been waisted for such an imbecile.
>>>> >
>>>> > With utmost sincerity,
>>>> >
>>>> > G.K.
>>>
>>>
>>>It seems that the Russian JEWs, and their lackeys have already forgotten
>>>who established the Soviet secret Police, forerunners of the dreaded KGB
>>>- it was that great JEW Felix DZERZHINSKI!!!
>>>
>>>It was the secret police that engaged in genocide - first on the
>>>Russians, then the more than 30 million Ukrainians murdered by the JEW
>>>Kommissars!!!
>>>
>>>How many tens of millions bodies does it take to REMEMBER - that it was
>>>the SOVIET JEWS who first engaged in genocide?



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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:33:31 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:33:18 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:01:35 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>in support of his jew faggot lovers:
>>On 1 Jul 1998 20:49:49 GMT, billy_bob@throckmorton.com (Billy Bob
>>Throckmorton) wrote:
>>>In article , ijc@global.plantation.org 
>>>says...
>>>>On 1 Jul 1998 12:17:04 GMT, Doc Tavish, hiding behind 
>>> wrote:

>>>>>How many Jews have you ever seen denounce this filthy 
>>>>>lifestyle? See what I mean!?

>>>>ROTFL!!!  Why should we denounce it? 

>>>So you do approve what G-d has condemned? Very interesting indeed. It shows 
>>>why Jews have been vomited out of all the lands they have infested if one 
>>>is to accept the Torah!
 
>>>>It's part of the plan to destroy the filthy, inferior ary*n race!  
>>>>Encouraging ary*n homosexuality (pretty easy to do, since they're 
>>>>already so prone to it) helps keep the white birth rate down. 

>>>So you are confessing now that Jews aren't white also? 

>>>>Every little bit helps...

>>>Your simple admission tells all that homosexuality comes 
>>>from Jews! In my studies of the Jew I have learned that the Law
>>>given to Moses was for Jews only and not for the people of the 
>>>nations or the Goy.

>>>See:  http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325176411
>>>and
>>>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=364072939
>>>Subject:      The Noachide Laws

>>>What does G-d require from non-Jews?
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------

>>>Our sages teach us that G-d gave seven laws or commandments that are
>>>binding on all humanity.  The first six of these laws were given to
>>>Adam.  Because the last of these seven commandments was given to Noah
>>>and his sons, the seven laws are collectively referred to as "the
>>>Noachide Laws", or "the Commandments of Noah's Sons".

>>>The Noachide Laws are:

>>>1.  Not to worship idols;
>>>2.  Not to curse G-d;
>>>3.  To establish courts of justice (some say, not to pervert justice);
>>>4.  Not to murder;
>>>5.  Not to commit adultery or incest;
>>>6.  Not to steal;
>>>7.  Not to eat flesh from a living animal.

>>>The Oral Law (the Talmud) teaches clearly that whoever obeys these
>>>seven commandments has a portion in the world to come.  

>>> Abraham was the first person in history to publicly proclaim the
>>>Noachide Laws to the masses, although there certainly were righteous
>>>persons before Abraham who knew these commandments and practiced them
>>>(Noah himself, to name just one).

>>>The Torah was given exclusively to the Jews, along with the
>>>responsibility to inform the world of the universal commandments.
>>>		-----------END------------

>>>I guess this is why homosexual acts were mentioned in your Torah! It 
>>>appears you Jew boys liked buggering each other up the ass thousands of 
>>>years ago. If this weren't true then why would
>>>G-d have told Moses (as depicted in the Jewish Torah):

>>>http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash

>>>Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18  

>>>18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this
>>>is a disgusting perversion. 
>>>18 : 23 Do not perform any sexual act with an animal, since it will
>>>defile you. A woman shall [likewise] not give herself to an animal and
>>>allow it to mate with her. This is an utterly detestable perversion. 
>>>18 : 24 Do not let yourselves be defiled by any of these acts. It was
>>>as a result of them that the nations that I am driving away before you
>>>became defiled. 
>>>18 : 25 The land became defiled, and when I directed My providence at
>>>the sin committed there, the land vomited out its inhabitants. 
>>>18 : 26 You, [however,] must keep My decrees and laws, and not become
>>>involved in any of these disgusting perversions - neither the native
>>>born nor any foreigner who settles among you. 
>>>18 : 27 The people who lived in the land before you did all these
>>>disgusting perversions and defiled the land. 
>>>18 : 28 But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when you
>>>defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you. 

>>>The same Torah also says:
>>>Chumash References
>>>Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20 

>>>20 : 7 You must sanctify yourselves and be holy, for I am God your
>>>Lord. 
>>>20 : 8 Safeguard My decrees and keep them, since I am God [and] I am
>>>making you holy. 
>>>20 : 9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be
>>>put to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be
>>>stoned to death. 
>>>20 : 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is
>>>the wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress
>>>shall be put to death. 
>>>20 : 11 If a man has intercourse with his father's wife, he has
>>>committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them
>>>shall be put to death by stoning. 
>>>20 : 12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
>>>them shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly
>>>detestable perversion, they shall be stoned to death. 
>>>20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner
>>>as with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion.
>>>They shall be put to death by stoning. 

>>>>BTW, for information on rampant homosexuality amongst your
>>>>ary*n "heroes:" see "The Pink Swatstika:"

>>>>         http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/

>>>I could care less but Jeffrey Georg Brown may be interested.
>>>I hope and pray that America "vomits" out its filth soon as well!
>>>You all will not be missed!

>>>			Billy Bob

>>>>Bob Alpert * balpert "at" netaxs.com * Author of the Jewish Conspiracy 
>>sven88




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On 20 Oct 1998 14:46:50 GMT, "firefly" 
wrote:

>THE CROSS IS NOBODY BUSSINESS< IT IS ON  POLAND LAND
>POLAND HAS THE RIGHT TO PUT WHAT THEY WANT  INSIDE
>IN THEIR COUNTRY.THIS IS INTERNAL AFFAIR   < IT IS NOT AOUR
>AFFAIR.COMPRENDE!!!!

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>
>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>By Sean Maguire
>>Sept. 14, 1998
>
>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>
>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>sensitive site. 
>
>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>groups. 
>
>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>
>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>site inevitable. 
>
>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>
>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>
>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>
>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>
>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>
>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>and nationalists. 
>
>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>forgotten. 
>
>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>be removed. 
>>
>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>
>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>
>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>the moment.'' 
>
>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>
>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>
>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>international funding, are on hold. 
>
>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>
>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>
>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>
>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>
>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>
>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>
>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>
>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>Jewish community.




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On Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:19:49 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:

>>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:26:44 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>On 13 Sep 1998 07:18:24 GMT, "William Hubbard" 
>>wrote:
>
>>>Strakitch tye golevo!
>
>>Should be shta allah aboukir!!!
>
>>>bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote in article
>>><35ff8fb8.1840244@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:15:29 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote: 
>>>> >On 25 Jun 1998 20:41:51 GMT, "Fenian" < fenian@hibernian.com> wrote:
>>>> >>morgan@shamrock.com wrote in article
>>><35995802.2904819@news.nucleus.com>...
>>>> >>> On 24 Jun 1998 23:39:44 GMT, bushbadee@aol.com (BUSHBADEE) wrote:
>
>>>> >>> >>> Shouldn't the spelling be KHAZIR, meaning swine???
>>>> >>> >>> After all, the Christkillers are lower than the feces of the swine???
>
>>>> >>> >I have many christian friend and I object to you calling them lower than
>>>> >>> >the feces of swine.
>
>>>> >>> It is not the Christians that are the Christkillers.
>>>> >>> Read your Bible, or have your friend read it to you, about the foul
>>>> >>> Sanhedrin JEWS, who arranged for the murder of Jesus Christ!!!
>
>>>> >>> Christ opposed their usury and other financial crimes, being conducted
>>>> >>> in the Temples.
>



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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:26:48 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:22:55 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:13:27 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>
>>>Is this any more different than the documented fact that 300,000 JEWS
>>>were involved with the Wehrmacht, up to and including JEW generals,
>>>working for Hitler??
>>>
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>>>> > sperati wrote:
>>>
>>>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> > > Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>> > > From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>> > > Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>>
>>>> > > From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>> > > that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>> > > ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>> > > group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>>
>>>> > > The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> > > titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>> > > appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>> > > to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>> > > >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> > > North Shore News
>>>> > > February 2, 1997
>>>
>>>> > > Insights from abroad
>>>> > > Doug Collins
>>>
>>>> > > TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> > > that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>>> > > When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> > > served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>
>>>> > > The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>> > > about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>>
>>>> > > There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>> > > was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>> > > transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>> > > married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>> > > generals, and 23 colonels.
>>>
>>>> > > Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>> > > Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>> > > more. The research is continuing.
>>>
>>>> > > Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>> > > in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>> > > alive.
>>>
>>>> > > Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>> > > father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>>
>>>> > > Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>> > > whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>> > > the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>>
>>>> > > The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>> > > Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>> > > he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>> > > and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>> > > documents in the process.
>>>
>>>> > > The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>> > > Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>>> > > could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>> > > the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>>
>>>> > > He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>> > > about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>> > > ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>>
>>>> > > Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>> > > used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>> > > Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>> > > what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>>
>>>> > > British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>> > > international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>> > > produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>> > > Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>>
>>>> > > Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>> > > Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>> > > was a Jew.
>>>
>>>> > > Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>> > > full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>> > > one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>>
>>>> > > But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>> > > Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>> > > knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>> > > term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>>
>>>> > > After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>> > > the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>> > > Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>> > > Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>> > > plotting against Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>> > > and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>> > > and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>> > > to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>>
>>>> > > All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> > > able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> > > wonder why?
>>>
>>>> > > ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>> > > right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>> > > the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>> > > necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>>
>>>> > If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>> > definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>> > their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>>
>>>==============================================
>>>Phillips
>>>
>>>There is one very significant omission: I believe that Reinhard
>>>Heydrich,
>>>head of the SD (intelligence arm of the SS) was partly Jewish. As you
>>>said, there were complex rules pertaining to persons of mixed race
>>>thaat
>>>depended on the degree of mixture.
>>>===========
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:13:54 -0600, slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest
>>>Slepokura) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <898579884snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> In article <358ea2c7.30351215@news.erols.com>
>>>>>            davic@erols.com "David Goldman" writes:
>>>>> > >> The people who collaborated with the Nazis were the Arabs.. Remember the
>>>>> > >> mufti of Jerusalem.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Nazi Zionist collaboration is thoroughly documented; there was an article
>>>>> in about 1980 in History Today (I've got it somewhere) by a Jewish historian
>>>>> Jacob Boas which covered the Nazi sponsorship of a Zionist expedition to
>>>>> Palestine; there was a special medal struck which had a swastika on one
>>>>> side and a Magan David on the other. It appears that the Nazis changed their
>>>>> mind with typical pragmatic hypocrisy when they needed Arab support come the
>>>>> war, although there is no doubt that there was a genuine friendship between
>>>>> the Arab nationalists and the National Socialists.
>>>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>>>Orest Slepokura:
>>>
>>>>There were many instances of such collaboration. Take the case of Dr.
>>>>Joachim Prinz, a Zionist rabbi. In 1934, Dr. Prinz published a book
>>>>entiled *Wir Juden* 
>>>>(We, Jews) wherein he hailed Hitler's rise to power. Seems he viewed this as a
>>>>defeat for liberalism and, hence, a very good outcome for Jews. 
>>>
>>>>"[T]he fortunes of liberalism are lost," he wrote gleefully. "The only
>>>>form of political life which has helped Jewish assimilation is sunk." See:
>>>
>>>>The victory of Nazism ruled out assimilation and mixed marriages as an
>>>>option for Jews. Said Prinz: "We are not unhappy about this." 
>>>
>>>>His book contained a lot of unblushing praise for Nazi ideology.
>>>
>>>>Later on, Dr. Prinz emigrated to the United States, where he eventually became
>>>>a vice-chairman of the World Jewish Congress and a leading figure in the World
>>>>Zionist Organization. 
>>>
>>>>Apparently, he was also quite good friends with Golda Meir.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9 Aug 1998 22:03:13 GMT, kaszubik@aol.com (Kaszubik) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>
Subject: Re: ZYCLON B SOLD BY JEWISH COMPANY TO NAZIS
>>>>>From: Alexander Sharon 
>>>>>Date: Sun, Aug 9, 1998 13:47 EDT
>>>>>Message-id: <35CDE0C8.511620EF@cadvision.com>
>>>
>>>>>Kaszubik wrote the truth again:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>>>> A little known fact is that a Jewish business in New York City produced
>>>>>Zyclon
>>>>>> B and sold it to Germany where it sold as a commodity. What this means is
>>>>>that
>>>>>> we have yet another example of MURDER FOR PROFIT (of their own people!). We
>>>>>> already know who murdered Jesus Christ, that can not be disputed. Let me
>>>>>ask
>>>>>> you: Why are so many Jewish doctors involved with partial-birth abortions?
>>>>>That
>>>>>> is the new Holocaust on the rest of the world. I know the holocaust took
>>>>>place,
>>>>>> I don't doubt that. It is indeed a tragic period in history for us Poles.
>>>
>>>>>It appears that another imbecile has joined the noble ranks of the town
>>>>>idiots of
>>>>>scp.
>>>
>>>>KK>Please take a deep breath and relax. I realize that the truth must be almost
>>>>too much for you to deal with. 
>>>
>>>>>Welcome aboard wanker.
>>>>>And what bothers you?
>>>>Are you trying to hide your family murky past during
>>>>>WWII by
>>>>>"exposing" Jewish attrocities?
>>>
>>>>KK> I have cousins who were murdered at Stutthof but they didn't deserve it.
>>>>The legacy and atrocities of the jews is well known already. Your reaction
>>>>clearly shows the guilt in which the jews can hardly contain and is eating away
>>>>at their minds. 
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Alexander Sharon
>>>
>>>>KK> Perhaps Aleksander Zydowicz in older times? 



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On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:13:38 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>The article below, from dejanews, seems to have much relevance, now
>that cardinal Glemp has had the guts to tell the Jews to stop
>interfering in the internal affairs of Poland!!!
>
>
>On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:37:14 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>I think that you forgot the Polish JEW, Felix Dzerzhinski, the subhuman
>>who established the Soviet secret police.
>
>>he and his gangs of murdering JEW Kommissars are responsible for the
>>murders of tens of millions in Russia, as well as the more than 30
>>millions they killed in the Ukraine!!!
>
>
>>Clancy wrote:
>
>>> "Some call it Marxism  I call it Judaism."
>>> (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise,  May 5, 1935).
>
>>>                             Top Jewish Communists
>
>>>  Of the top 556 functionaries in the first Communist Russian
>>> government, over 400 were Jews. Of the first 119 members of the
>>> Communist Russian Council ruling Russia, 81 were Jews.
>
>>> V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator. Leon Bronstein (Trotsky): supreme commander
>>> of the Soviet Red Army. Grigory Apfelbaum (Zinoviev): executive, Soviet
>>> Secret Police. Solomon Lozovsky: deputy Soviet foreign minister. Maxim
>>> Wallach (Litvinov): Soviet foreign minister. Yuri Andropov: director,
>>> Soviet KGB, later supreme dictator of the Soviet Union.
>
>>> Jacob Sverdlov: first president of the Soviet Union. Sverdlov ordered the
>>> massacre of the Czar's family--women and children--in the town named after
>>> Catherine the Great, Yekaterinburg, (renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924 in honor of
>>> the murderer).
>
>>> Jacob Yurovsky: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Yurovsky led the death
>>> squad which carried out Sverdlov's order for the murder of the Czar's
>>> family, including the bayoneting to death of the Czar's daughters. The
>>> Ipatyev house, where, in the basement, the massacre had occurred, stood
>>> intact until 1977, when the local Communist party boss at that time, Boris
>>> Yeltsin, ordered it demolished, lest it become a shrine to anti-Jewish
>>> sentiment.
>
>>>  Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich : chief mass murderer for Stalin, ordered
>>>  the deaths of millions and the wholesale destruction of Christian monuments
>>> and churches, including the great Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
>>> Standing amid the rubble of the cathedral, Kaganovich proclaimed,
>>> "Mother Russia is cast down. We have ripped away her skirts."
>>> (N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995).
> 
>>> Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of slave
>>> labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin's mistress; sister of
>>> Lazar. Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee and wife of
>>> Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov. Olga Bronstein: officer, Soviet Cheka
>>> Secret Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.
>
>>> Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer
>>> extraordinaire. (Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize,
>>> wrote a hymn of praise to Yagoda).
> 
>>> Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp system.
>
>>> Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and administration.
>>> Boris Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and brother of
>>> Matvei. K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.
>
>>> Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave labor,
>>> supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of the White
>>> Sea--Baltic Canal.
> 
>>> M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Slutsky and Shpiegelglas:
>>> commanders, Soviet Secret Police. Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret
>>> Police.
>
>>> Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red Army;
>>> officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in the
>>> Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests and
>>> peasants in Spain.
> 
>>> Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central Committee.
>>> Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army. Yakov ("Yankel") Kreiser:
>>> general, Soviet Red Army. Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.
>
>>> David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union.
>>> Grigori Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army. Mikhail Chazkelevich: general,
>>> Soviet Red Army. Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army. Arseni
>>> Raskin: deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army. Haim Fomin, commander of
>>> Brest-Litovsk, Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals were
>>> Jewish (cf. Canadian Jewish News, April 19, 1989).
>
>>> Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among these
>>> were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and General
>>> Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian leaders
>>> including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This Jewish wife
>>> "insurance policy" extended to Politburo members such as Andrei Andreyev
>>> and Leonoid Brezhnev.
> 
>>> Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted
>>> Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The
>>> kulaks were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein's Bezhin
>>> Meadow).
>
>>> KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized
>>> from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier
>>> Julius Rosenwald.
> 
>>> Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda he won the Order of Lenin
>>> and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem
>>> 'Holocaust' Museum.
>
>>> Solomon Mikhoels: commissar of Soviet propaganda. Soviet film
>>> propagandists: Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily
>>> Grossman,Yevgeny Gabrilovich, Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies
>>> written by her continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).
> 
>>> Soviet propagandist: Yevgeny Khaldei who staged the photo of the raising of
>>> the hammer and sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, May 2, 1945.
>>> Afterward, a special plane was waiting to fly Khaldei, Stalin's top Tass
>>> photographer, to a Moscow lab, where his photo was further doctored (loot
>>> displayed on one of the Soviet soldier's wrists was removed in the negative
>>> and Khaldei added clouds and smoke to the scene for dramatic effect (see
>>> photo of Khaldei and his beloved flag at left). Khaldei continued to work
>>> as a premier Soviet propagandist until his retirement from Pravda in 1972.
>>> His Communist propaganda is proudly on display at the Jewish Museum of New
>>> York and the Jewish Museum of San Francisco.
> 
>>> Nikolai Bukharin: Lenin's chief theorist. Samuel Agursky: commissar. Karl
>>> Radek: member, Central Committee. Mikhail Gruzenberg (Borodin) commissar.
>>> A.A. Yoffe: commissar. David Ryazanov: advisor to Lenin. Lev Grigorievich
>>> Levin: physician, poisoner of Stalin's enemies. Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev):
>>> member of the Central Committee.
>
>>> Ivan Maisky: Soviet Ambassador to Britain. Itzik Solomonovich Feffer:
>>> commissar, Soviet Secret Police. Abraham Sutskever: Soviet
>>> terrorist-partisan. Mark Osipovich Reizen: Soviet propagandist, winner of
>>> three Stalin Prizes. Lev Leopold Trepper: Soviet espionage officer.
> 
>>> Bela Kun (Kohen): supreme dictator of Hungary in 1919. Kun was later
>>> Stalin's chief terrorist in the Crimea. Kun's eventual successor was Matyas
>>> Rakosi, Jewish Communist mass murderer of Christians in Hungary. According
>>> to the Jewish Telegraph Agency of May 14, 1997, Jews "...played key roles
>>> in ushering Communist rule into Hungary. In fact, during the brutal
>>> oppression of the early 1950s, the regime's top five leaders were Jews. "
> 
>>> Zakharovich Mekhlis: top executioner for Stalin. Henrykas Zimanas: leader
>>> of Lithuanian communist terrorists, butcher of Christians.
> 
>>> Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist
>>> People's Army. Tito's top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian
>>> Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist
>>> Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People's
>>> Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms
>>> shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.
> 
>>> In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish
>>> communists: the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police;
>>> the Politboro commander Jacob Berman  and commissars Minc, Specht
>>> (Olszewski) and Spychalski.
> 
>>> These men murdered or deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death
>>> camps, tens of thousands of Catholic Poles.
> 
>>> According to Jewish researcher John Sack, "In 1945 many Poles felt (and not
>>> without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security...the chief of
>>> the Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the department
>>> heads were Jews." Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the Communist
>>> Secret Police in Silesia were Jews. He noted that many Jews in the
>>> Communist terror apparatus in Poland changed their names to Polish ones
>>> like :  (cf. John Sack, The New Republic, Feb. 14, 1994, p. 6.
> 
>>> ROMAN ROMKOWSKI (Natan Grunspau Kikiel),
>>> JULIUSZ HIBNER (David Schwartz).
>>> JOZEF ROZANSKI (Goldberg)
>>> JERZY BORESZA ( Goldberg)
>>> ROMAN ZAMBROWSKI (Rubin Nussbaum)
>>> EUGENIUSZ SZYR
>>> LUNA BYSTRYGIER .
>>> ANATOL FEIGIN
>>> JOZEF SWIATLO
>>> Capt. STUDENCKI
>>>  Lt. JURKOWSKI.
>>> ZYGMUNT OKRET
>>> TADEUSZ ZABLUDOWSKI
>>> ROMAN WERLF.
>>> LEON KASMAN,
> 
>>> Generals: WIKTOR GROSZ, ARTHUR STAROWICZ, ADAM SCHAFF,
>>> ZYGMUNT MODZELEWSKI,MARIAN NASZKOWSKI,
>>> MIECZYSLAW OGRODZINSKI, JULIUSZ KATZ-SUCHYSa
> 
>>> In Poland, "...a disproportionate number of Communists were Jews. In 1930,
>>> at its peak, 35% of the members of the party were Jewish. In Communist
>>> youth organizations, Jewish membership was even higher, while Communists of
>>> Jewish origin occupied most of the seats on the central committee.
>>> Communism appealed to some Jews because it opposed anti-Semitism more
>>> vigorously than any other Polish party...Jewish Communists reached their
>>> apogee in the years immediately after World War Two, when the party
>>> leadership was totally in the hands of the prewar Communist leadership that
>>> abhorred anti-Semitism." (Sheldon Kirshner, The Canadian Jewish News, Nov.
>>> 5, 1992, p. 16).
> 
>>> Of course when one encounters the issue of Jews, Communists and Catholics
>>> in Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass murder
>>> of the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is never
>>> raised.
> 
>>> "The average Pole could not but notice in the Stalinist era that the two most
>>> powerful men in the country--Berman and Minc--were both Jewish as was
>>> the dreaded security official Rozanski."
>>> Piotr S. Wandycz of Yale University (N.Y. Review of Books,
>>>  Aug. 18, 1983, p. 51).
> 
>>> Julius Hammer, M.D.: New York abortionist and co-founder of the American
>>> communist party. Armand Hammer: fundraiser and financier for Lenin and
>>> Stalin, son of Julius.
> 
>>> Lev Davidovich Landau: Stalinist physicist, co-father of the Soviet atomic
>>> bomb. Klaus Fuchs: helped steal atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Ruth
>>> Werner: colonel, Red Army GRU intelligence, assisted Fuchs. Julius and
>>> Ethel Rosenberg: stole American atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Morris
>>> Cohen (Peter Kroger): assisted the Rosenbergs. Markus Wolf: chief of
>>> German Communist Stasi Secret Police.
> 
>>> Howard Fast: American communist propagandist for Stalin. David
>>> Dubinsky: Stalin's ally, head of the U.S. International Ladies Garment
>>> Workers Union. Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist
>>> propagandist. Rabbi Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party. Victor
>>> Rothschild: top British espionage agent for Stalin.
> 
>>> Mark Zborowski:  "...considered by historians of Soviet terror operations to
>>> have been the most fearsome...(Soviet) spy of all time" (Stephen Schwartz,
>>> Forward, Jan. 26, 1996). Zborowski, a medical researcher, murdered a
>>> dissident with a poisoned orange at the Soviet-run hospital in Paris.
>>> Zborowski was implicated in several other assassinations in 1936 and 1937.
>>> In the 1940s worked for both the American Jewish Committee and the KGB. In
>>> the 1960s Zborowski worked as a medical researcher at Mount Zion Hospital
>>> in San Francisco. He trained numerous psychiatrists and medical specialists
>>> in the Bay Area. He died in 1990 (cf. "The Strange Case of Doctor Zborowski
>>> and Monsieur Etienne" by Philippe Videlier, in Le Monde Diplomatique, Dec.
>>> 1992).
> 
>>> The African National Congress (ANC) in South Africa was guided by two
>>> Communist Jews, Albie Sachs, "one of its foremost intellectuals"( London
>>> Sunday Times, Aug. 29, 1993) and Yossel Mashel Slovo (Joe Slovo).
> 
>>> Slovo was born in a shtetl in Lithuania and grew up speaking Yiddish and
>>> studying the Talmud. He joined the ANC's terrorist wing, the Umkhonto we
>>> Sizwe, in 1961 and eventually became its commander. He was named Secretary
>>> General of the South African Communist Party in 1986. ("Joe Slovo," Jewish
>>> Chronicle, Jan. 13, 1995).
> 
>>> Slovo had been the " planner of many of the ANC terrorist attacks,
>>> including the 1983 car bomb that killed 19 people and injured many
>>> others... Slovo, who had traveled to the Soviet Union many times, was
>>> awarded a Soviet medal on his 60th birthday...Slovo is a dedicated
>>> Communist, a Marxist Leninist without morality of any kind, for whom only
>>> victory counts, whatever the human cost, whatever the bloodshed...Slovo
>>> disputes little of his image as 'the Communist mastermind' behind the ANC's
>>> armed struggle. For him the fears of South Africa's whites are both a
>>> measure of the ANC's growing strength and a crucial factor in hastening
>>> what he believes will be its ultimate victory. 'Revolutionary violence has
>>> created the inspirational impact that we had intended, and it has won for
>>> the ANC its leading position,' Slovo said." ("Rebel Strategist Seeks to End
>>> Apartheid," L.A. Times, Aug. 16, 1987, p. 14). When Nelson Mandela's ANC
>>> took over South Africa, Slovo was named Minister of Housing.
> 
>>> Slovo, a Yiddish-speaking Lithuanian Jew, was Secretary General of the
>>> South African Communist Party and director of the military wing of the ANC,
>>> which perpetrated numerous terror bombings against white civilians.
> 
>>> Ambassador David Rowl and Franches wrote about his experiences in
>>> Russia at that tragic time in RUSSIA FROM THE AMERICAN EMBASSY,
>>> Scribner, 1921. He declared
> 
>>>      "...The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews, and 90% of
>>>      whom are returned exiles, are little for Russia or any other
>>>      country but are internationalists, and they are trying to start a
>>>      world-wide social revolution."
> 
>>> From the DIRECTORATE OF INTELLIGENCE, THE BRITISH WAR
>>> CABINET, (CAB 214/83,July 3, 1916) Came the report:
> 
>>>      "Definite evidence has been received that the leaders in the
>>>      Bolshevik movement in England, France, and America are in touch
>>>      with one another and with Moscow, and that the Bolshevik movement
>>>      is an INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY OF JEWS."
> 
>>> One could add, a financial-banking conspiracy with most of the money for
>>> the Russian Revolution coming from New York Jewish Bankers.
> 
>>> THE AMERICAN HEBREW, September 10, 1920:
> 
>>>      "The Bolshevist Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish
>>>      brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal
>>>      is to create a New Order in the world. [a New World Order - sound
>>>      familiar??] What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia,
>>>      thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>      and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish
>>>      mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world."
> 
>>> DR. OSCAR LEVY in his Preface to THE WORLD SIGNIFICANCE
>>> OF THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION by George Pitt-Rivers (1920):
> 
>>>      "Bolshevism is a religion and a faith. How could those
>>>      half-converted believers dream to vanquish the "Truthful" and the
>>>      faithful of their own creed ... who had gathered around the Red
>>>      Standard of the prophet Karl Marx, and who fought under the
>>>      guidance of those experienced officers of all latter - day
>>>      revolutions - the Jews?"
> 
>>> GEORGE MARLEN, in STALIN, TROTSKY, OR LENIN, on page
>>> 414 New York (1937):
> 
>>>      "If the tide of history does not turn toward Communist
>>>      Internationalism, then the Jewish race is doomed"
> 
>>> THE LONDON JEWISH CHRONICLE, 4-4-1921:
> 
>>>      "...there is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact
>>>      that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of
>>>      Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of
>>>      Judaism."
> 
>>> CHICAGO JEWISH SENTINEL, 10-8-1942:
>
>>>      "The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the
>>>      fundamentals of Judaism."
>
>>> Elizabeth Dilling in her excellent book THE JEWISH RELIGION:
>>> ITS INFLUENCE TODAY writes:
> 
>>>      "Only through (a) thorough understanding of the ideology from
>>>      which this collectivism originates, and those who dominate and
>>>      propagate it, can the rest of the world hope to escape the same
>>>      fate. Communism Socialism was originated by Jews and has been
>>>      dominated by them from the beginning .... There is no moral,
>>>      philosophical or ethical conflict whatsoever between Judaism and
>>>      Marxist collectivism as they exist in actual practice. Marxism,
>>>      to which all branches of Socialism necessarily adhere, was
>>>      originated by a Jew, Karl Marx, himself of Rabbinical descent.
>>>      Every Jewish source today boasts of his rabbinical ancestry, and
>>>      his "keen dialectical ability" (as presumably manifested by his
>>>      abstruse, hair-splitting, DESKAPITAL) being due to his Talmudic
>>>      inheritance .... Marx did not actually originate anything, but
>>>      merely "streamlined" talmudism for Gentile consumption..."
> 
>>> Dr.OscarLevy in his Preface (mentioned above) also wrote:
> 
>>>      "We Jews, who have posed as the Saviors of the World (God's
>>>      Chosen People - what a lie!) we today are nothing else but the
>>>      world's seducers, its destroyers, its incendiaries, its
>>>      executioners."
>
>>>  Bernard Lazare, in his "L'Anti-semitisme" p.350 wrote:
>
>>>      "The jew is not satisfied with de-Christianizing, he Judaizes. He
>>>      destroys ... faith, he provokes indifference, but he imposes his
>>>      idea of the world, of morals, and of life upon those whose faith
>>>      he ruins; he works his age-old task, the annihilation of the
>>>      religion of (Jesus) Christ."
> 
>>> "There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of
>>> Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by
>>> these international and for the most part atheistical Jews."
>>> On Feb. 8, 1920  the Illustrated Sunday Herald: by Winston Churchill.
> 
>>> "In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more
>>> astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed, the principal, part in the
>>> system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating
>>> Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by
>>> Jewesses.
>
>>> "The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of
>>> terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been
>>> presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has
>>> been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people.
> 
>>> "...The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of
>>> worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has
>>> tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with villainies
>>> which are now being perpetrated...Needless to say, the most intense
>>> passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian
>>> people."
>
>>> "It was Communism which toppled the hated Czars, Communism which
>>> removed Jewish disabilities and proscribed anti-Semitism and Communism
>>> which, in its early days at least, opened the doors to Jewish advancement."
>>> Chaim Bermant, writing in the Jewish Chronicle (Aug. 30, 1991)
> 
>>>  "The clever Russian is almost always a Jew or has Jewish blood in him."
>>>  (Dmitri Volkogonov, Lenin: A New Biography, p.112).
> 
>>> Lenin declared, "We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class." His
>>> partner in crime, Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) stated: "The interests of the
>>> revolution require the physical annihilation of the bourgeoisie class." Who
>>> were these bourgeoisie? Certainly not Jews. Trotsky gave a clue to their
>>> identity in a 1937 interview in the New York Jewish newspaper, Daily
>>> Forward: "The longer the rotten bourgeoisie society lives, the more and
>>> more barbaric will anti-Semitism become everywhere."
> 
>>> Bourgeoisie was a Bolshevik code-word for Gentile. The first law passed
>>> after the Communists seized power in Russia made anti-semitism a crime
>>> punishable by death. (Izvestia, July 27, 1918).
> 
>>> The top Communist Jewish official Zinoviev stated: "Without mercy, without
>>> sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be
>>> thousands; let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of
>>> Lenin and Uritzky, Zinoviev and V_lodarsky, let there be floods of the
>>> blood of the bourgeoisie--more blood! As much as possible!"
>>> (Krasnaya Gazeta, Sept. 1, 1918).
> 
>>> Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's biographer recounts what it was like to grow up as
>>> a Russian Christian child among the children of the Jewish communist elite:
>>> "By the age of ten he had the cross ripped from his neck by jeering
>>> Pioneers and for over a year was held up to ridicule... Solzhenitsyn was,
>>> as a boy, exposed to students whose parents had an officially superior
>>> status. Most of the members of the Young Pioneers and Komsomol movements,
>>> at least in Rostov, were Jewish children..."
>>> (Michael Scammell, Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, p. 64).
> 
>>> Here is the most genocidal political movement in world history, which
>>> created the largest concentration camps and the most horrendous slave labor
>>> system of the 20th century, in which millions of Christians were
>>> slaughtered (on the size of the Gulag concentration camp system cf. C.
>>> Andrew and O. Gordievsky, KGB: The Inside Story and N.Y. Times, Oct. 22,
>>> 1990, p. 82. None of these camps are being preserved for posterity. Most
>>> were destroyed long ago by special military brigades; cf. Michael Specter,
>>> "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
>>> "Israelis and American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is
>>> an indispensable weapon--one that must be used relentlessly against their
>>> common enemy...Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor continuously
>>> to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust
>>> memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is
>>> government-funded."
>
>>> the Israeli author Moshe Leshem:( Balaam's Curse, p. 228)
> 
>>> In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist
>>> party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
>>> population (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
> 
>>> "National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>> characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme
>>> form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>> cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>> penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:42:53 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:38:31, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:
>
>Orest Slepokura  wrote:
>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...
>
>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>
>The Kastner Case
>
>                              
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>                              The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>                                The Verdict
>
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully.
>
>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>to Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>mislead the Jews.
>
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>
>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>
>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>task easier.
>
>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>chiefs
>.
>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>underground.
>
>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>
>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>
>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>annihilation.
>
>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>Jews.
>
>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>
>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>soul to the German Satan.
>
>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>on the other hand.
>
>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>
>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>
>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>to evade this truth.
>
>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>
>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>
>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>
>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>Jews.
>
>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>criminals.
>
>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>
>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>S.S.
>
>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>
>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>
>Judge Halevi continues:
>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>
>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>negate the affidavit.
>
>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>criminal.
>
>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>
>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>declared in the affidavit.
>
>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>
>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>affidavit given in favor of a war
>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>
>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>his statements." 
>
>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>his Nazi 
>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>pounds as court costs.
>
>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>pointed to much more than that.
>
>But the story does not end there.
> 
>The Reaction
>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>
>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>criminal libel.
>
>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>appeal filed.
>
>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>
>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>
>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>
>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>leadership.
>
>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>But the story gets worse.
>
>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>
>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>'fully rehabilitated'.
>                        
>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>'collaboration'.
>
>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>
>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>Kastner. They joined him.
>
>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>Chesin:
>
>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>
>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>
>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>Jewish community.
>
>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>
>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>many or should he disclose
>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>
>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>
>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>what was known to them and did not warn
>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>
>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>
>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>
>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>Silberg:
>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>judgements on the guilt of others....
>
>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>result.'
>
>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>thousands would have been able
>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>to a claim of such good faith...
>
>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>
>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>
>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>
>We can sum up with three facts:
>
>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>occupation.
>
>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>proof of  evidence for this.
>
>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>
>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>of events it throws retroactive
>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>
>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>
>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>
>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>
>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>
>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>
>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>West Germany.
>
>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>fear of what might come out.
>
>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>on trial .
>
>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>eventually to Palestine.
>
>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>
>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>murder trial).
>
>
>sven88



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On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:02:27 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:
>>>
>Orest Slepokura  wrote:
>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...
>
>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>
>The Kastner Case
>
>                              
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>                              The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You
>>>can
>>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the
>>>deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>>>of 
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>>Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>>Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>>>Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower
>>>these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>>who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations...these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride
>>>to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in
>>>Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this
>>>as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>>dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its
>>>fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>>Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>>catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>>great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>>would
>>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>>the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation
>>>into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis
>>>promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian
>>>Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>>Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>>and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>>and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>>from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>>put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>>only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly
>>>to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
>>>June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>'new
>>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of
>>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner's
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>>the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>>remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>>minute
>>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>>truth -
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in
>>>the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no
>>>good
>>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his
>>>personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>>contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good
>>>faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's
>>>affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a
>>>war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his
>>>statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds
>>>as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>>libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed.
>>>What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here
>>>in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>>>was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the 
>>>name 
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court -
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>>found
>>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted
>>>Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>>prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>>end of
>>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This
>>>vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without
>>>any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in
>>>Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>>>Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>>the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can
>>>properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>>from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>>Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>>say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>>Jews
>>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>>plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>>>the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>>is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>>its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>>his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>>disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>>blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing
>>>with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>>District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>>his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>>at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>>from a
>>>moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>>one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>>Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>>hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>>warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>>Hungary
>>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>>>Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>>many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their
>>>knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>>a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>>here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an
>>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>>of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>>few -
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>>collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even
>>>though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>>decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>>the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>>able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery,
>>>etc. -
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>>certainty
>>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>>rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>>he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>>of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>>a
>>>claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>>come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>>individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>>patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>>operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>>this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>>to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>>the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>>and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>>the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>>activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>>>revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs
>>>of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>>which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>>>the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>>>rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't
>>>base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>>is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>>retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>                         
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>>been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>>collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>>remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>>an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of
>>>what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>>trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the 
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>>in
>>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March
>>>1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings
>>>were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was
>>>delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).
>
>
>sven88
>
>
>On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:26:31 GMT, igal_pissmaker wrote:
>
>>: In article <19981005164245.04940.00006538@ng03.aol.com>,
>>:   poniecka@aol.com (PONIECKA) wrote:
>>:Exactly what is your definition of "collaborators" ?
>>
>>
>>Good question. Despite it deserved a separate thread (maybe I will start
>>one)let's for know put it here: Nazi criminals - ones who directly killed,
>>maimed,
>>gave orders and oversaw the genocide. Collaborators - ones who helped nazi
>>machine run smoothly (volunteers) - it maybe railway station managers, or
>>auxilarry police who did not do the dirty work, armed vehicle repairmen and so
>>on.
>>
>>Now the intereting question: How we will qualify women who volunteerly were
>>slipping with enemy soldiers providing them comphort and moral support ( that
>>kind was everywhere - in France, Belgium, Poland as well - how many of them
>>find asylum across the ocean with american boys???), instead of giving them
>>hard time willingly transmitting STD or something - to make life of occupants
>>miserable. I do remember the roumors that one of resistant female fighters in
>>belorussia manage to destroy fighting ability of roughly the batallion of
>>enemies in that manner. She was considered to be awarded the order of Lenin
>>for that, but unfortunately died of very same war struggle consequences.
>>I=P
>>
>>
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On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:28:24 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>If there were so many documented JEWS in the German military, one MUST
>question how many may have died in WWII!!!
>
>It seems that the number keeps on increasing, by mythical magic, just
>as each new lawsuit demanding reparations is filed!!!
>
>In other words, soon the number of damn JEW claimants for alleged
>demise in WWII will exceed the populations of all the countries
>involved.
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:43:34 GMT, vagabond@idirect.com (William
>Markiewicz) wrote:
>
>>
>>For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>Communication Page, August 97 issue 
>>http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>
>sperati wrote:
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>> 
>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>> 
>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> North Shore News
>> February 2, 1997
>> 
>> Insights from abroad
>> Doug Collins
>> 
>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>> that is ignored in Canada.
>> 
>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>> 
>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>> 
>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>> 
>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>> 
>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>> more. The research is continuing.
>> 
>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>> alive.
>> 
>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>> 
>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>> 
>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>> 
>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>> documents in the process.
>> 
>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>> 
>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>> 
>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>> 
>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>> 
>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>> 
>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>> was a Jew.
>> 
>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>> 
>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>> 
>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>> 
>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>> 
>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>> 
>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>> plotting against Hitler.
>> 
>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>> 
>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>> wonder why?
>> 
>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>
>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!



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On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 14:13:14 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>In view of the extortion of gullible government, for billions of
>dollars by the cursed JEWS, the Christkillers of history, one MUST
>question all aspects of the claims made by JEWS.
>
>In this regard, the questions below deserve detailed study, until the
>truth is known.
>Every normal person should consider the entire contents, and decide for
>themselves, whether any JEWS died in WWII.
>
>
>
>
>someone@somewhere.com wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:52:09 -0500, holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene
>> Holman) wrote: 
>> >Would any readers of soc.culture.polish care to comment on the claims 
>> >made here.
>
>
>
>> >1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>> >DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>
>> >        None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>> >individual "survivors", and no "survivor" claims actually to have
>> >witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No 
>> >mounds of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing 
>> >the job, no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no 
>> >records, no demographic statistics.
>
>> >        On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>> >forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>> >comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>> >figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>
>> Quite frankly, by reading the attached text, which proves that almost
>> half of the original 600,000 JEWS in Germany were in the German
>> military, one MUST question the alleged figures used by the JEWS to
>> extort money from gullible governments!!!
> 
>> >        2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>> >RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>> >WORLD WAR TWO?
> 
>> >        Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>> >interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German 
>> >war effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of 
>> >their race or national origin alone.
> 
>> >        3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>> >CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
> 
>> >        Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>> >their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>> >Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist 
>> >subversion during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were 
>> >highly overrepresented in government, commercial, and media 
>> >positions.
>
>> >However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger 
>> >of internment once the war broke out.
>
>> >        On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>> >Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply 
>> >because the German government had removed Jews from influential 
>> >positions and transferred power back to the German people. The 
>> >boycott order and the Jewish war against Germany were reported in 
>> >the world print and broadcast media of the time. False stories of 
>> >German "death camps" were in fact circulated even before the outbreak 
>> >of World War Two. Therefore the German view of the Jewish people 
>> >as enemy aliens would seem to have been fully justified.
> 
>> >        4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>> >DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
> 
>> >        Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>> >gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
> 
>> >        5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS 
>> >IT WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT 
>> >WAS?
>
>> >        Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>> >murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>> >were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>> >chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official 
>> >Holocaust lore because it became too difficult to maintain in 
>> >the face of known fact and because Dachau was in the Allied 
>> >occupation zone where access to the camp was too 
>> >easy and unrestricted.
> 
>> >        En passant, the brief lifespan of the "Dachau death camp"
>> >version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning 
>> >of the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>> >noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>> >official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>> >Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum.
> 
>> >        6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF 
>> >THAT GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED 
>> >AT AUSCHWITZ?
> 
>> >        No. The "gas chamber" exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz 
>> >could not possibly have been used to carry out executions; 
>> >it is far too small and it is not even airtight. 
>> >In the 1980s, American expert Fred Leuchter, who builds gas chambers 
>> >for American penal systems, took scrapings from the walls 
>> >of the Auschwitz "gas chamber" for chemical
>> >analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit 
>> >is a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.
> 
>> Were not the Krema at Auschwitz built by the Polish communists in
>> 1949, long after the war???
>
>> >        7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN'T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE 
>> >PURPOSE?
> 
>> >        It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>> >(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in 
>> >the same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>> >correctional systems throughout the United States today.
> 
>> >        8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
> 
>> >        Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of 
>> >hydrocyanic gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, 
>> >including the fumigation of lice-infested clothing, 
>> >the purpose for which it was applied at Auschwitz. 
>> >Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>> >commonly used and available today.
> 
>> >        9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>> >COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
> 
>> >        Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>> >brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>> >figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>> >read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>> >Hoess' blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>> >cross examined.
> 
>> >        10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA 
>> >FUMIGATED WITH ZYKLON-B?
> 
>> >        About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>> >and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>> >only are employed.
> 
>> >        11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>> >ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>> >THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
> 
>> >        It can't be explained, because it could not have happened 
>> >like that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered 
>> >the same fate as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
> 
>> >        12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>> >CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>> >BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN'T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
> 
>> >        Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the 
>> >six million figure as well.
> 
>> >        13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT 
>> >SECRET FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE 
>> >POPE, THE VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND 
>> >ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE NOT KNOW?
> 
>> >        Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>> >British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>> >been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>> >were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a 
>> >potentially powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any 
>> >contemporary evidence at all during the war that such an event was 
>> >occurring.
>
>> >        14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>> >DURING THE WAR?
> 
>> >        About 300,000.
> 
>> >        15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
> 
>> >        Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>> >Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably 
>> >appears whenever people are jammed together for long periods 
>> >without bathing.It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. 
>> >Ironically, if the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant 
>> >purposes, more Jews  might have survived the concentration camps. 
>> >Jewish prisoners (as well as many others) also died from starvation 
>> >and lack of medical attention towards the end of the war 
>> >when virtually all rail and road transport had come to a standstill 
>> >due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
> 
>> >        16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 
>> >300,000 DIED?
>
>> >        5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>> >deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>> >exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>> >was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>> >identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>> >of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>> >the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a "Holocaust".
> 
>> >        17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE "DEATH CAMPS" SAY THEY SAW
>> >BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD 
>> >HAVE BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
> 
>> >        A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>> >afforded to waste during the Second World War, that's for sure.
> 
>> >        18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
> 
>> >        No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed 
>> >by flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated 
>> >in open pits.
>> >[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>> >observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>> >American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely 
>> >to destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in 
>> >any other way in open pits. The Holocaust "experts" who claim 
>> >otherwise are either parroting what they have been told without 
>> >bothering to check their facts, or else they are lying.]
>
>> >        19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>> >BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A 
>> >BODY ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
> 
>> >        About two hours.
> 
>> >        20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
> 
>> >        To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead 
>> >from typhus and other diseases.
> 
>> >        21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN 
>> >ALL THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE 
>> >MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO 
>> >INCINERATE DURING THE ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
> 
>> >        About 430,600.
> 
>> >        22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
> 
>> >        No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>> >per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>> >when in heavy operation.
> 
>> >        23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>> >CORPSE?
> 
>> >        After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>> >time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
> 
>> >        24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>> >HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
> 
>> >        That remains to be "explained". Six million bodies would
>> >produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have 
>> >been no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz 
>> >area or anywhere else in Europe.
> 
>> >        25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE 
>> >AIR, SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
> 
>> >        No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the 
>> >immense amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the 
>> >camp, nor do they show any evidence of the alleged open 
>> >pits where the bodies were burned.
> 
>> >        26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT 
>> >THE WHOLE "HOLOCAUST" ISSUE?
> 
>> >        A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>> >September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>> >packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>> >full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second 
>> >World War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or 
>> >any of the wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust.
> 
>> >        Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war's end, the
>> >liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of 
>> >articles claiming that the Red Cross was "full of Nazi sympathizers". 
>> >This charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated 
>> >Jewish attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles 
>> >steadily in the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
> 
>> >        27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
> 
>> >        Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>> >Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>> >conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>> >literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>> >diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>> >adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from 
>> >the published text.
>>
>> >        In 1950 Anne Frank's father sued author Meyer Levin, the 
>> >actual writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. 
>> >A Jewish judge in New York ordered the records of the court case 
>> >sealed for 100 years.
>> >When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>> >noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were 
>> >interpolations written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, 
>> >a writing instrument which was not invented until 1950. The original 
>> >diary was swiftly removed from exhibit and whisked away 
>> >into a safety deposit box inIsrael. It has never been produced for 
>> >examination since then despite repeated attempts by scholars to view 
>> >it.
> 
>> >        28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>> >ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED 
>> >CORPSES AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
> 
>> >        Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>> >Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>> >Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a "Nazi SS
>> >man" about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>> >of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>> >historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>> >the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine.
> 
>> >        (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>> >atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>> >remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>> >the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>> >laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>> >be perpetrated by Holocaust "experts" is not surprising in view of 
>> >the fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme 
>> >left-wing views and are as quick to apologize for and explain 
>> >away Stalin's butcheries as they are to invent fraudulent crimes 
>> >attributed to Adolf Hitler. The almost universally leftist 
>> >political and social orientation of
>> >Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind 
>> >when examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>> >important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>> >the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken 
>> >McVay's refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General 
>> >Secretary Smith asked him why he did not condemn the 
>> >mass murders of Stalin.)
> 
>> >        29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>> >SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
> 
>> >        Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>> >predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would 
>> >certainlyhave been in a position to learn about it. Since no such 
>> >plan existed,the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
> 
>> >        30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>> >EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
> 
>> >        None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>> >deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come 
>> >tolight. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>> >Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering  
>> >the extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis 
>> >were meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were 
>> >seized by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied 
>> >archivists and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them 
>> >all. Nothing. Zip. Nada.
>
>> >        31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>> >DURING THE WAR?
> 
>> >        Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>> >from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>> >they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>> >official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>> >British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>> >Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>> >industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that 
>> >Eichmann was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered 
>> >in order to silence him.
> 
>
>> In Canada there was a detailed story in Toronto Life magazine about the 
>> roles  of the Reichman and Gestetner families in providing assistance 
>> to the Germans in WWII. The Jews are not happy about this public 
>> exposure,and have tried to restrict distribution of this news, 
>> which is available from the publishers in Toronto at Toronto Life.
> 
>
>
>> >        32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED 
>> >BY THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
> 
>> >        Slightly less than four million.
> 
>> >        33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE 
>> >THE NAZIS?
> 
>> >        Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>> >kill them.
> 
>> >        34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN'T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>> >HAPPENED TO THEM?
> 
>> >        After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>> >States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 
>> >300,000, they are all accounted for.
> 
>> >        35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>> >TODAY?
>
>> >        It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>> >economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>> >sums of "guilt money", especially from the German government. It
>> >justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>> >dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>> >billion dollars in assorted "Holocaust reparations" and the ante is
>> >growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>> >Jewish people to keep the scam going.
> 
>> >        36. ARE FILMS LIKE "HOLOCAUST", "SCHINDLER'S LIST", AND "THE
>> >WINDS OF WAR" DOCUMENTARIES?
> 
>> >        Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>> >They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, 
>> >not real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals 
>> >of events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>> >screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where 
>> >Jews are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and 
>> >the creative and financial sectors of film making.
> 
>> >        Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>> >that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>> >begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, 
>> >the character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in 
>> >Spielberg's production of "Schindler's List" was sanitized to the 
>> >point of being unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost 
>> >saintly,  and yet none of those still living who remember 
>> >the man have a single good word to say about him. The real Schindler 
>> >was a confidence artist, a thief, a libertine and degenerate gambler 
>> >who indulged freely in forced sexual relations with young 
>> >female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>> >and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>> >money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>> >because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and 
>> >events like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with 
>> >the most bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
> 
>> >        37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE 
>> >SOME ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
> 
>> >        Over 100, with more in the works.
> 
>> >        38. BUT AREN'T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>> >ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>
>> >        Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>> >right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>> >freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>> >explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>> >unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>> >position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>> >genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>> >libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>> >subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>> >from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
> 
>> >        39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>> >VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>> >        A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>> >always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>> >Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>> >called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>> >hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>> >express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>> >from many of the postings to Nizkor's Internet playgroups that they
>> >have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>> >Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>> >ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>> >cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
> 
>> >        The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>> >hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>> >giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those 
>> >who ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the 
>> >Holocaust are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned.
> 
>> >        Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>> >him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>> >Revisionist bookseller's offices were burned, and in Toronto
>> >Revisionist author Ernst Zundel's home was almost destroyed in an 
>> >arson attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of 
>> >show trials lasting over ten years, and after being finally acquitted 
>> >he has been denied Canadian citizenship and is still battling 
>> >attempts  to deport him to prison and torture in Germany.
>
>> >        An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>> >kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>> >lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the "crime" of writing
>> >pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>> >legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>> >abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>> >only after an international outcry. Schmidt's "crime" was writing a
>> >pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>> >distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder 
>> >has been imprisoned so many times he's lost count. Revisionists 
>> >have been stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure 
>> >in universities, victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs 
>> >in the mail, and subjected to constant death threats 
>> >from Jews and Marxists.
>
>> >        THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent 
>> >people who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by 
>> >trying to kill, imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. 
>> >More than anything else, the behavior of the Jews and the 
>> >governments they influence so strongly proves that the 
>> >Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>> >neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>> >silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people 
>> >who believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults 
>> >and torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the 
>> >part of the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have 
>> >imposed the most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of 
>> >humanity, and have used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, 
>> >steal another people's country, and then to slaughter that country's 
>> >original inhabitants at will, as according to National Public Radio 
>> >they are doing even now as I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
> 
>> >        40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>> >REVISIONISTS?
> 
>> >        No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than 
>> >ever to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the 
>> >earth understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded 
>> >them, and robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust 
>> >lie. There can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the
>> >Holocaust will be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at 
>> >large for what it is: a politically inspired hoax.
> 
>> >NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>> >pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>> >information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>> >ihrgreg@kaiwan.com - W.S.
>
>
> 
>One MUST question the validity of the EXTORTION on gullible governments
>by the damn JEWS for alleged compensation.
>
>
>
>If half of the German JEWS were in the German military, as the attached
>article documents, why give them any money??
> 
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
> From: stefan lemieszewski 
> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
> 
> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
> 
> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
> Stefan Lemieszewski
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> North Shore News
> February 2, 1997
> 
> Insights from abroad
> Doug Collins
> 
> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
> that is ignored in Canada.
> 
> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
> 
> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
> 
> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
> 
> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
> generals, and 23 colonels.
> 
> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
> more. The research is continuing.
> 
> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
> alive.
> 
> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
> 
> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
> 
> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
> 
> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
> documents in the process.
> 
> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew> could 
> ever have fought for Hitler.
> 
> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
> 
> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
> 
> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
> 
> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
> 
> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
> was a Jew.
> 
> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
> 
> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
> 
> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
> 
> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
> 
> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
> 
> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
> plotting against Hitler.
> 
> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
> to it that he was discharged from the army.
> 
> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
> wonder why?
> 
> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled - as Fertiliser



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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:19:23 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:06:54 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>> 
>>> dddddddddddddd
>>> 
>>> Grigori, if you do not know or do not believe me, please read the
>>> monograph about Lazar Kaganowich by his American cousin titled The Wolf
>>> of the Kremlin.  Stven eventually was given permission by Brezhnev to
>>> visit his uncle in Moscow.  Look in Stevens book at the photo of his
>>> aunt Rosa and unkle Mikhail Kaganovich who was shot with the blessing of
>>> Lazar and Rosa for treason which was sympathy for Israel.
>>> 
>>> Mikhail learned zionsim on his trip in USA during WW II and he was
>>> commissar of Soviet aviation.
>>> 
>>> Pawlikowski deserves from you apology, but I doubut he will get it.
>>> 
>>> Some Jews are simply michigene
>>> ---------
>>> RAgan
>>> 
>>> Grigori Khaskin wrote:
>>> >
>>> > PAWLIKOWSKI (polhistsoc@earthlink.net) wrote:
>>> >
>>> > : Klan of Kaganoviches, Soviet Jews who ran USSR at that time (Rosa
>>> > : Kaganowich, M.D. being at that time Stalins wife) felt scorned by
>>> > : Israel.  Hell know no furry as the woman scorned!
>>> >
>>> > What interesting here, that all it is lie, but the name of Lazar
>>> > Kaganovich.
>>> >
>>> > #1. Kaganovich had no "clan", especially one who was running USSR.
>>> >
>>> > Better you, patologycal judofob, invent something new, remotely close to
>>> > reality, like "Georgian Djugashvili when studied in christian seminary was
>>> > forcefullyu converted to Judaizm and than under name Stalin
>>> > successfully tried to kill all polish christians worldwide".
>>> >
>>> > #2. STalin never had a wife with the name "Rosa", not talking about Rosa
>>> > Kaganovich, M.D. because:
>>> >
>>> > #3. Lazar Kaganovich NEVER have a sister Rosa Kaganovich.
>>> >
>>> > That lies you are repeating was put in circulation with Russian
>>> > antisemitic blacj hundred organization "Pamiat" in the end of 80th and
>>> > was exposed countless times as an open lie in Russian periodicals.
>>> >
>>> > #4. Affiliation of patologycal commie Kaganovich and Israel came from the
>>> > same garbage dumpster.
>>> >
>>> > #5. Stalin with the help of his henchmen Beria at the time was preparing
>>> > the wholesale deportation Jews to death camps in Siberia, and started to
>>> > unfold so-called "Case of Jewish doctors", implicating all Jewish M.D. who
>>> > worked in Kremlin hospital killing of communist party leaders admitted to
>>> > hospital. It had to become a spark to deportation. Thanx G-d the bastard
>>> > died himself on Purim night and deportation was aborted.
>>> >
>>> > Does it look, like that scenario was running by a jews? Dear
>>> > Padlikowsky? Maybe unexisted M.D. Kaganovich tried to get rid of worldwide
>>> > known M.D. in Moscow?
>>> >
>>> > You are laughable, moron.
>>> >
>>> > With utmost sincerity,
>>> >
>>> > G.K.
>>> >
>>> > : USSR hoped to control Arab oilpipes then going  through Israel.
>>> >
>>> > Pipelines THROUGH Israel? Pumping oil there in 1940th? Time to call Mr.
>>> > Padlikowsky a veterinarian, and teacher in geography.
>>> >
>>> > : USSR staged Kielce and other pogroms to stock Palestine with Soviet
>>> > : Jews  but these indoctrinated Jews did not bother with USSR once in
>>> > : Israel.
>>> >
>>> > No, no. Glory of Kielce is a badge of honor on your antisemitic mighty
>>> > chest.
>>> >
>>> > But what pogrom in Kielce has in common with stocking of Palestine with
>>> > SOVIET jews? Especially when all info about Kielce was immediately
>>> > SUPPRESSED for ten's of years?
>>> >
>>> > Why it was almost IMPOSSIBLE to get from Russia to Israel all that years??
>>> > And it was a multitude of jews who was refused an exit visas and instead
>>> > of Near East were sent to Far North?
>>> >
>>> > : Elementary HErmie HH
>>> > : ---------
>>> > : Pawlikowski
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately, that tipe of lies almost never elementary. despite such a
>>> > lies have been produced by thou who have one convolution in the brain, and
>>> > even this one was straiten by Waffen SS side-cap. Unfortunately a rebuke
>>> > required and time had been waisted for such an imbecile.
>>> >
>>> > With utmost sincerity,
>>> >
>>> > G.K.
>>
>>
>>It seems that the Russian JEWs, and their lackeys have already forgotten
>>who established the Soviet secret Police, forerunners of the dreaded KGB
>>- it was that great JEW Felix DZERZHINSKI!!!
>>
>>It was the secret police that engaged in genocide - first on the
>>Russians, then the more than 30 million Ukrainians murdered by the JEW
>>Kommissars!!!
>>
>>How many tens of millions bodies does it take to REMEMBER - that it was
>>the SOVIET JEWS who first engaged in genocide?



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On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:00:33 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>In view of the well documented fact that almost half of the 600,000 JEWS
>in Germany prior to WWII were then in the German military, onemust
>consider whether these JEWS working for Hitler, were in fact a positive
>role model???
>
>
>
>PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>> 
>> Positive Jewish role models
>> 
>> Alan Silver.. wrote:
>> >
>> > once again, your point is extremely obscure, and irrelevant.  Whatever
>> > collaboration there may have been, even if it was entirely voluntary, does
>> > not for an instant excuse the crimes of the nazis and their collaborators
>> > -- crimes against Jews or Poles or others they used as slave labor, or
>> > whatever.
>> =========
>> Dear Alan,
>> 
>> Thank you for your email.  I am posting your letter, while removing your
>> signature.
>> 
>> You are absolutely correct on the collaboration of Jews with the Nazis.
>> Yes, it is hardly significant.  The fact that some Jews collaborated and
>> were bad (or HORRIBLY BAD) is the favorite argument of anti-Semites.
>> Sure there were BAD Jews but perhaps in equal numbers BAD Poles
>> Ukrainians and Germans.  We use the above factual anti-Semitic argument
>> very infrequently, since we are not anti-Semites.
>> 
>> actually, we are true philo-Semite, who LOVE Jewish culture, tradition
>> and admire Jewish achievements world over.  (And yes I am jelous of it
>> in a benign manner, like I am jelous of my billionaire neighbors here in
>> Greenwich while I can not afford to buy a house.)
>> 
>> Out of this admiration (of even Jewish kitchen i.e. sweets) I feel that
>> Jews should be warned about their pathological dependece on fictitious
>> martyrology.  The myth of Massada has been debunked about two years ago
>> by Israeli archeologists.  It is about the time that the mythical parts
>> of the WW II Holocasut should be also debunked, especially those which
>> defame Poles and Ukrainians of whom 2,000 lost lives for hiding and
>> helping Jews.
>> 
>> Thus it is important to find the first and subsequent mass graves and
>> bones of the 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the time to cremate.
>> 
>> Thus it is important that Jews LOUDLY refute that in Yedvabne Polish
>> boys decapitated Jewish maidens in July 1941 and used their heads to
>> play soccer and their parents burned alive 1,600 of the Yedvabne Jews in
>> a barn on July 11, 19941.
>> 
>> Equally imoportant is to prove and refute the fact that Poles killed
>> 42-70 Jews in 1946 in Kielce or 5,000 during 1945-1946 throught Poland.
>> 
>> Simultaneously we attempt to convince you to raise your youth on the
>> countless positive Jewish role models starting from B. Spoinoza and many
>> many others.  My favorites are Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan and perhaps Y.
>> Rubin.
>> ------------
>> Jozef pawlikowski
>> 
>> >
>> > ----------
>> > > From: PAWLIKOWSKI 
>> > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish; soc.culture.jewish; soc.culture.russian
>> > > Subject: Re: Jewish police zyd. Ordnungdienst
>> > > Date: September 30, 1997 11:35 AM
>> > >
>> > > Rostyk Lewyckyj wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > In article <342291F3.2133@mindspring.com>,  
>> > wrote:
>> > > > |
>> > > > |PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>> > > > |> On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in
>> > which
>> > > > |> service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.
>> > Their
>> > > > |> emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of
>> > these
>> > > > |> Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18%
>> > with
>> > > > |> post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>> > > > |> education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war
>> > questionaries.
>> > > > |>
>> > > > |> But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>> > > > |> Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page
>> > 489
>> > > > |> of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>> > > > |> journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were
>> > fired
>> > > > |> from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>> > > > |> closed.
>> > > > |
>> > > > |The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>> > > > |longer or die now!
>> > > >
>> > > >   Herman
>> > > >   Will you allow the same explanation when it is used by a Ukrainian,
>> > Polack,
>> > > >   Balt or other untermensh who was made to serve as a policeman or camp
>> > > >   guard for the Nazis in the Reich? I believe that the USA, Canadian,
>> > and
>> > > >   other countries immigration services are urged by the Jewish
>> > community
>> > > >   not to accept this explanation and to persecute such individuals,
>> > unless
>> > > >   they happen to be jews.
>> > > >
>> > > > |Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>> > > > |ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>> > > >
>> > > > |> While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>> > > > |> intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>> > > >
>> > > > |> Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>> > > > |> description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place
>> > in
>> > > > |> Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly
>> > in
>> > > > |> Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching
>> > behind
>> > > > |> three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols
>> > facing
>> > > > |> Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced
>> > into
>> > > > |> the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>> > > > |>
>> > > >   What if anything does the commentary accompanying this film, (surely
>> > > >   there is a commentary?), say about these policemen? Does it label
>> > them
>> > > >   with any nationality?
>> > > >
>> > > >   --Rostyk
>> > > ===============
>> > > to get the sound track one would have to purchase copy of the film.
>> > > Research costs $$$.  Would you donate $50.00 to this purchase for
>> > > starters.
>> > >
>> > > There is little doubt that these were Jews hanging Jews.  I can make out
>> > > stars of David on their armbands
>> > > ----------
>> > > J



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On Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:26:48 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 14:22:55 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:13:27 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>
>>>Is this any more different than the documented fact that 300,000 JEWS
>>>were involved with the Wehrmacht, up to and including JEW generals,
>>>working for Hitler??
>>>
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>>>> > sperati wrote:
>>>
>>>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> > > Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>> > > From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>> > > Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>>
>>>> > > From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>> > > that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>> > > ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>> > > group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>>
>>>> > > The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>> > > titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>> > > appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>> > > to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>> > > >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>> > > North Shore News
>>>> > > February 2, 1997
>>>
>>>> > > Insights from abroad
>>>> > > Doug Collins
>>>
>>>> > > TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>> > > that is ignored in Canada.
>>>
>>>> > > When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>> > > served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>
>>>> > > The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>> > > about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>>
>>>> > > There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>> > > was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>> > > transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>> > > married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>> > > generals, and 23 colonels.
>>>
>>>> > > Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>> > > Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>> > > more. The research is continuing.
>>>
>>>> > > Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>> > > in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>> > > alive.
>>>
>>>> > > Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>> > > father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>>
>>>> > > Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>> > > whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>> > > the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>>
>>>> > > The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>> > > Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>> > > he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>> > > and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>> > > documents in the process.
>>>
>>>> > > The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>> > > Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>>> > > could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>> > > the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>>
>>>> > > He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>> > > about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>> > > ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>>
>>>> > > Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>> > > used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>> > > Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>> > > what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>>
>>>> > > British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>> > > international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>> > > produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>> > > Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>>
>>>> > > Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>> > > Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>> > > was a Jew.
>>>
>>>> > > Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>> > > full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>> > > one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>>
>>>> > > But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>> > > Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>>
>>>> > > As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>> > > knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>> > > term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>>
>>>> > > A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>>
>>>> > > After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>> > > the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>> > > Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>> > > Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>> > > plotting against Hitler.
>>>
>>>> > > The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>> > > and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>> > > and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>> > > to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>>
>>>> > > All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>> > > able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>> > > wonder why?
>>>
>>>> > > ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>> > > right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>> > > the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>> > > necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>>
>>>> > If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>> > definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>> > their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>>
>>>==============================================
>>>Phillips
>>>
>>>There is one very significant omission: I believe that Reinhard
>>>Heydrich,
>>>head of the SD (intelligence arm of the SS) was partly Jewish. As you
>>>said, there were complex rules pertaining to persons of mixed race
>>>thaat
>>>depended on the degree of mixture.
>>>===========
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:13:54 -0600, slepokuo@cadvision.com (Orest
>>>Slepokura) wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article <898579884snz@abaron.demon.co.uk>, A_Baron@abaron.demon.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> In article <358ea2c7.30351215@news.erols.com>
>>>>>            davic@erols.com "David Goldman" writes:
>>>>> > >> The people who collaborated with the Nazis were the Arabs.. Remember the
>>>>> > >> mufti of Jerusalem.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Nazi Zionist collaboration is thoroughly documented; there was an article
>>>>> in about 1980 in History Today (I've got it somewhere) by a Jewish historian
>>>>> Jacob Boas which covered the Nazi sponsorship of a Zionist expedition to
>>>>> Palestine; there was a special medal struck which had a swastika on one
>>>>> side and a Magan David on the other. It appears that the Nazis changed their
>>>>> mind with typical pragmatic hypocrisy when they needed Arab support come the
>>>>> war, although there is no doubt that there was a genuine friendship between
>>>>> the Arab nationalists and the National Socialists.
>>>>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>
>>>>Orest Slepokura:
>>>
>>>>There were many instances of such collaboration. Take the case of Dr.
>>>>Joachim Prinz, a Zionist rabbi. In 1934, Dr. Prinz published a book
>>>>entiled *Wir Juden* 
>>>>(We, Jews) wherein he hailed Hitler's rise to power. Seems he viewed this as a
>>>>defeat for liberalism and, hence, a very good outcome for Jews. 
>>>
>>>>"[T]he fortunes of liberalism are lost," he wrote gleefully. "The only
>>>>form of political life which has helped Jewish assimilation is sunk." See:
>>>
>>>>The victory of Nazism ruled out assimilation and mixed marriages as an
>>>>option for Jews. Said Prinz: "We are not unhappy about this." 
>>>
>>>>His book contained a lot of unblushing praise for Nazi ideology.
>>>
>>>>Later on, Dr. Prinz emigrated to the United States, where he eventually became
>>>>a vice-chairman of the World Jewish Congress and a leading figure in the World
>>>>Zionist Organization. 
>>>
>>>>Apparently, he was also quite good friends with Golda Meir.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 9 Aug 1998 22:03:13 GMT, kaszubik@aol.com (Kaszubik) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>
Subject: Re: ZYCLON B SOLD BY JEWISH COMPANY TO NAZIS
>>>>>From: Alexander Sharon 
>>>>>Date: Sun, Aug 9, 1998 13:47 EDT
>>>>>Message-id: <35CDE0C8.511620EF@cadvision.com>
>>>
>>>>>Kaszubik wrote the truth again:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>>>> A little known fact is that a Jewish business in New York City produced
>>>>>Zyclon
>>>>>> B and sold it to Germany where it sold as a commodity. What this means is
>>>>>that
>>>>>> we have yet another example of MURDER FOR PROFIT (of their own people!). We
>>>>>> already know who murdered Jesus Christ, that can not be disputed. Let me
>>>>>ask
>>>>>> you: Why are so many Jewish doctors involved with partial-birth abortions?
>>>>>That
>>>>>> is the new Holocaust on the rest of the world. I know the holocaust took
>>>>>place,
>>>>>> I don't doubt that. It is indeed a tragic period in history for us Poles.
>>>
>>>>>It appears that another imbecile has joined the noble ranks of the town
>>>>>idiots of
>>>>>scp.
>>>
>>>>KK>Please take a deep breath and relax. I realize that the truth must be almost
>>>>too much for you to deal with. 
>>>
>>>>>Welcome aboard wanker.
>>>>>And what bothers you?
>>>>Are you trying to hide your family murky past during
>>>>>WWII by
>>>>>"exposing" Jewish attrocities?
>>>
>>>>KK> I have cousins who were murdered at Stutthof but they didn't deserve it.
>>>>The legacy and atrocities of the jews is well known already. Your reaction
>>>>clearly shows the guilt in which the jews can hardly contain and is eating away
>>>>at their minds. 
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Alexander Sharon
>>>
>>>>KK> Perhaps Aleksander Zydowicz in older times? 



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:55 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:54:25 GMT, vincent@dreamon.com wrote:
>
>>[From The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992 issue]
>>
>> "The Secret Files: How AIPAC Can Slander You By Stealth -- An
>>Insider's Expose"
>>
>>-or-
>>
>>"The Secret Section in Israel's U.S. Lobby That Stifles American
>>Debate"
>>
>> by Gregory D. Slabodkin
>>
>> 
>>During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in
>>the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were
>>ruined by false charges of "communism" and "treason," American Jewry
>>was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail
>>by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the
>>percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy's smear tactics was twice
>>that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed
>>resolutions condemning McCarthy's ruthless character assassination.
>>
>>Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the American Israel
>>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle
>>open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>Secretly Circulated Lists
>>
>>
>> To Conduct this "neo-McCarthyism," AIPAC operates a covert section
>>within its research department that monitors and keeps files on
>>politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish
>>liberals, and others it labels "anti-Israel."  AIPAC selects
>>information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the
>>"guilty," together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed
>>by their statements, often totally out of context.
>>
>>Just as McCarthy's permanent investigations subcommittee labeled
>>criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as "anti-
>>American" or "pro-Soviet," AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli
>>government policies "anti-Israel," "pro-Arab" or "pro-PLO."  Still
>>worse is the pro-Israel lobby's redefinition of "anti-Semitism" to
>>include any such criticism of Israel or its actions.
>>
>> To date, revelations about AIPAC's blacklisting and smear tactics
>>have barely scratched the surface of the pro-Israel lobby's secret
>>activities. Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his 1985 best-selling
>>book _They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
>>Israel's Lobby_, documented what he could see of that lobby's impact
>>on U.S. politics, defense, foreign and economic policies, as well as
>>academia and the media. However, as an insider who worked within
>>AIPAC's stealth section, I can confirm what Findley could only
>>surmise. That an organized blacklisting operation exists is a tragic
>>fact that no longer should be ignored.
>>
>> AIPAC's "opposition research" department traces its roots to I.L.
>>(Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC's weekly
>>_Near East Report_, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly
>>titled column, "The Monitor."  Besides monitoring, analyzing, and
>>responding to "anti-Israel" comment and activities in the United
>>States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC's "enemies."  In his final year
>>AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
>>
>> Kenen's memoirs, _Israel's Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in 
>>Washington_, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the
>>American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to
>>create a "truth squad."  Its purpose was to combat "pro-Arab
>>propaganda" and the emerging "Arab lobby," which Kenen believed to be
>>a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
>>
>> "While vigorously defending Israel's perceived interests, the
>>organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of
>>Jewish thought police," journalist Robert I. Friedman explains.
>>"Investigators -- sometimes overzealous Jewish college students,
>>sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies -- were
>>used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they
>>might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists,
>>politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and
>>writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other
>>professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of
>>anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The
>>intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish
>>community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind
>>would weaken the Jewish state."
>>
>> When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December
>>1974, the task of monitoring Israel's "enemies" was left to the
>>department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained
>>ever since.
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Israel's "Enemies"
>>
>>
>>Morris Amitay, Kenen's successor as AIPAC executive director, did not 
>>follow Kenen's practice of countering "pro-Arab propaganda" with
>>polished editorials in the _Near East Report_.  Amitay was more
>>concerned with developing AIPAC into a first-rate lobbying
>>organization, as demonstrated by the fact that AIPAC grew dramatically
>>during his six-year reign. These also were key years in the growth of
>>intelligence gathering.
>>
>>Some of the growth resulted from the challenge presented by a small, 
>>dovish, Jewish organization of the late 1970s known as Breira.
>>"Breira," the Hebrew word for "alternative," was organized by a tiny
>>group of American Jewish rabbis, professors and other activists from
>>the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 1960s.
>>
>>Recognizing that the U.S. Jewish community was not monolithic on the
>>subject of Israel, Breira encouraged American Jews to question
>>Israel's policies in the occupied territories after the 1967 Six-Day
>>War and to engage in an open and frank debate on U.S. foreign policy
>>in the Middle East. Many Breira positions reflected those of the Peace
>>Now movement in Israel.
>>
>>However, American Jewish organizations would not tolerate in the U.S. 
>>the dissent that characterized political debate in Israel. Instead
>>AIPAC and other Jewish organizations set out to silence Breira by
>>discrediting its members. Although these Jewish peaceniks were
>>motivated by love and concern for Israel, they were smeared as "anti-
>>Israel," "pro-PLO," and "self-hating Jews."
>>
>>Kenen, still serving as acting editor of AIPAC's _Near East Report_, 
>>charged that Breira "undermined U.S. support for Israel."  Only one
>>prominent Jewish leader defended Breira. He was Rabbi Alexander
>>Schindler, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
>>who called the attack on Breira a "witch hunt."  He was ignored,
>>however, and the swift and successful campaign to snuff out Breira set
>>the "rules" for dissent in the American Jewish community, as well as
>>who would be the "enforcer" of these "rules."
>>
>>As Edward Tivnan observed in his book, _The Lobby: Jewish Political 
>>Power and American Foreign Policy_: "By attacking Breira, Jewish
>>leaders had turned over much of their power to AIPAC, Israel's most
>>loyal agent in the U.S. and a proved enemy of dissent from Israeli
>>policies, among Jews as well as gentiles."
>>
>>In the late 1970s and early 1980s, AIPAC published an annual "Who's
>>Who" of "anti-Israel organizations and personalities, providing
>>important background information for AIPAC members who must deal with
>>them in the political arena."  AIPAC photocopied these "enemies lists"
>>to meet increasing requests by its members for materials on
>>"anti-Israel" forces.
>>
>>
>>AIPAC's "War for Washington"
>>
>>
>>Thomas Dine, a former legislative assistant to Senator Ted Kennedy,
>>who replaced Amitay in 1980 as AIPAC executive director, expanded
>>AIPAC's opposition research. This was part of Dine's "War for
>>Washington," inspired by what he portrayed as the dramatic growth of
>>"anti-Israel" organizations in the nation's capital. AIPAC was
>>particularly worried about the Arab-American community, just beginning
>>to organize.
>>
>>In August 1982, AIPAC hired Amy Goott as its first full-time employee
>>to monitor Israel's "enemies."  Goott was recruited from the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, where she had similar duties.
>>In a speech at the 1983 AIPAC Policy Conference, Goott called on AIPAC
>>members to send useful information to her in Washington.
>>
>>In June 1983, AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_, 
>>coauthored by Goott. As Dine explained in the handbook's preface, its
>>purpose was to update the activities of "anti-Israel" organizations
>>and individuals, and to provide a "more complete and convenient
>>analysis of this activity" to "meet the needs of AIPAC members."  Yet,
>>despite its glossy cover and carefully worded and seemingly objective
>>descriptions, _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_ was nothing more than
>>a blacklist. By lumping them together, it sought to categorize critics
>>of all kinds as "enemies" of Israel. The final chapter, "A Directory
>>of the Actors," profiled 21 organizations and 38 individuals to be
>>monitored and discredited whenever possible.
>>
>>At about the same time that AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit
>>
>>Israel_, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith published its own 
>>document entitled _Pro-Arab Propaganda in America: Vehicles and
>>Voices_. Overlaps in the texts and the timing reflect Ms. Goott's
>>employment by both organizations during the period both publications
>>were in preparation.
>>
>>"The primary accusation leveled against the groups and individuals 
>>listed in the B'nai B'rith and AIPAC books is that they are
>>'pro-Palestinian' or 'pro-PLO,'" Cheryl Rubenberg writes in her book,
>>_Israel and the American National Interest_.  "Pro-Israeli groups have
>>succeeded in associating the words 'Palestinian' and 'PLO' with
>>terrorism in the minds of Americans; then with techniques reminiscent
>>of the McCarthy era, they smear their opposition with the label
>>'pro-PLO.'"
>>
>>The smear campaign did not go totally unchallenged within the U.S. 
>>Jewish community. In December 1983, _New York Times_ columnist Anthony
>>Lewis criticized AIPAC's tactics, particularly the inclusion in its
>>"enemies list" of Walid Khalidi, a Palestinian intellectual living in
>>Boston, as does Lewis.
>>
>>Khalidi supports a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. In
>>
>>its handbook, however, AIPAC quoted selectively from one of his
>>articles to depict him as an extremist calling for the destruction of
>>Israel.
>>
>>"Joe McCarthy could not have produced a nastier distortion" of
>>Khalidi's views, Lewis wrote. He suggested that Israel's lobby should
>>welcome Palestinian moderation instead of trying to "smear" it.
>> 
>>In November 1984, the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the 
>>largest organization of Middle East educators in the United States,
>>unanimously condemned AIPAC and ADL blacklisting. MESA called on both 
>>national Jewish organizations to "disavow and refrain from such
>>activities" as soliciting "unbalanced information on students, faculty
>>and other parties at American campuses" and "listing factually
>>inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions that defame specific
>>students, teachers and researchers as 'pro-Arab propagandists,' who
>>'use their anti-Zionism as merely a guise for their deeply felt
>>anti-Semitism.'"
>>
>>When it released the first edition of _The Campaign to Discredit
>>Israel_ in 1983, AIPAC had announced plans to publish updated versions
>>annually. 
>>
>>However, due to the negative publicity it engendered, the first
>>edition was also the last. Instead, AIPAC continued its monitoring of
>>"anti-Israel" activities, but disseminated the results secretly.
>>
>>
>> Going Underground
>> 
>>
>>AIPAC's decision to take its opposition research underground coincided
>>
>>with the hiring in the mid-1980s of Michael Lewis and Anna Gottlieb.
>>Gottlieb joined AIPAC after a stint at the Justice Department's Office
>>of Special Investigations (OSI). Lewis came to AIPAC from the
>>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank closely
>>associated with the pro-Israel lobby.  
>>
>>He is the son of Princeton University "orientalist" Bernard Lewis,
>>whose writings have been criticized in the Middle East for denigrating
>>Islam as a religion and Arabs as a people.
>>
>>Michael Lewis, the present head of AIPAC's stealth section,
>>innocuously named Policy Analysis, describes it as a "clearing-house"
>>for information on anti-Israel organizations and activists to provide
>>a "resource, and fulfill a need, unreplicated anywhere else."  He has
>>provided negative information both to rival politicians and to
>>journalists about prominent individuals whom 
>>
>>
>>AIPAC considers to be "anti-Israel."
>>
>>
>>In one case Lewis provided information that became the basis of a
>>racist brochure mailed to voters in California's 44th congressional
>>district by candidate Randy "Duke" Cunningham's campaign in the spring
>>of 1990. The brochure accused former U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Joseph
>>Ghougassian, Cunningham's Republican primary election opponent, of
>>being "bank-rolled by Arab oil interests."  The brochure, featuring a
>>photo of Ghougassian with a drawing of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi,
>>asked: "We don't need a congressman bought and paid for by these
>>special interests.  Do we?"
>>
>>What made this brochure particularly offensive was the fact that 
>>Cunningham's campaign listed contributors to Ghougassian with Arabic
>>sounding last names, all of whom were in fact U.S. citizens, and
>>included the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA).
>>Ghougassian, an Egyptian-born Armenian and naturalized U.S. citizen,
>>lost the primary race against Cunningham who, with AIPAC's support,
>>went on to win a seat in the 102nd Congress.
>>
>>Lewis reports that AIPAC also "provided Steve Emerson with information
>>
>>on Alexander Cockburn."  That followed a heated exchange between 
>>Israel-apologist Emerson and frequent critic of Israel Cockburn on the
>>
>>editorial page of _The Wall Street Journal_ in May 1990. Emerson
>>attacked Cockburn for his "financial agenda."
>>
>>"It ought to be remembered," Emerson wrote, "that several years ago
>>Mr. Cockburn secretly took $10,000 from an organization that had been
>>funded primarily by the governments of Iraq and Libya and by a bank
>>known as the PLO's bank."
>>
>>Emerson's charge was based on a story which had appeared in a weekly 
>>alternative newspaper, _The Boston Phoenix_, on Jan. 10, 1984.  _The
>>Phoenix_ reported that Cockburn received in 1982 a $10,000 grant from
>>the now defunct Institute of Arab Studies to write a book on the
>>Israeli invasion of Lebanon and, because Cockburn did not inform them,
>>editors of the _Village Voice_ "indefinitely suspended" him due to
>>"appearance of conflict [of interest] and nondisclosure."
>>
>>Not surprisingly, AIPAC was the source of the original _Phoenix_ story
>>
>>as well as Emerson's attack based on it in _The Wall Street Journal_.
>>Alan Lupo, _The Boston Phoenix_ reporter who broke the story back in
>>1984, said AIPAC had told him the Institute for Arab Studies was
>>"linked to a $100 million campaign to sway U.S. policy against
>>Israel."  In fact, the Institute had U.S. tax-exempt status and listed
>>individual contributors within the United States until it closed down
>>in 1983 due to a lack of funds.
>>
>>Deploring the AIPAC-generated "misinformation," editor David 
>>Schneiderman of the _Village Voice_ wrote on Jan. 24, 1984: "What
>>Cockburn did not do was take money from an 'Arab propaganda group.'
>>Moreover he was not 'bought'--he clearly received the grant because of
>>views he already firmly held. The _Phoenix_ offered no evidence that
>>the Institute [of Arab Studies] is anything more than what it purports
>>to be. And despite the reporter's clumsy attempt to say so, Arab does
>>not always equal Palestinian which does not always equal terrorist.
>>His unquestioned adoption of claims by the Anti-Defamation League and
>>the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, hardly disinterested
>>parties, is poor journalism."
>>
>>Even _The Wall Street Journal_, a newspaper with a demonstrated 
>>pro-Israel editorial bias, questioned the AIPAC-originated charges. In
>>a Jan. 13, 1984 editorial, _WSJ_ editor Robert Bartley wrote: "Among
>>all the things I can imagine Alex doing, this one seems fairly
>>innocuous... On all this we have no opinion, except that even Arabs
>>should enjoy freedom of speech."
>>
>> _The Wall Street Journal_ continued to run Cockburn's monthly column 
>>opposite the editorial page. Said the _Journal_, tongue only partly in
>>cheek, "We hired him because of his biases, which we're sure are
>>totally incorruptible."
>>
>>In both of the cases cited, AIPAC attempted to discredit critics of 
>>Israel not by refuting their arguments, but by trying to tie them to
>>Arab money. Making an Arab connection can damage the victim's
>>reputation, the pro-Israel lobby believes, so long as it can encourage
>>a mindset in the United States that anything Arab-related is tainted.
>>
>>Ironically, it is precisely the same kind of racist stereotype to
>>which the Jewish community is so sensitive, particularly the charge
>>that Jews exert tremendous influence through the use of their money.
>>Jewish organizations can and do talk about the power of "Arab money"
>>and "petro-dollars," yet are quick to decry as anti-Semitic similar
>>innuendo regarding Jewish financing.
>>
>>In another case, AIPAC executive director Dine asked Lewis to analyze 
>>the positions of Brookings Institution Middle East specialist Judith
>>Kipper. In an Aug. 17, 1990 memo, Lewis responded: "For the most part,
>>Kipper is extremely skillful in her writings and statements to avoid
>>being pinned down as 'anti-Israel.'  She often achieves her goals by
>>presenting the views of 'moderate Israelis' to state her case."
>>
>>In _The New Republic_, and ardently pro-Israel magazine, writer David 
>>Segal put a more positive spin on Kipper's views in its March 25, 1991
>>issue: 
>>
>>"Her analysis throughout the Gulf crisis said little about the
>>politics of the Middle East, but a great deal about the politics of
>>Judith Kipper. It's not that she's anti-Israel -- her criticism would
>>put her not far from the center of the Israeli Labor Party -- or that
>>she is pro-Arab. Rather, her politics stem from an unwavering
>>quasi-religious faith in the power of dialogue."
>>
>>There is no greater admission of guilt and wrongdoing than AIPAC's 
>>strenuous attempts to conceal its blacklisting activities. Senior
>>AIPAC officials fear that public outrage might follow disclosure of
>>their covert activities. The name change from "Opposition Research" to
>>"Policy Analysis" was designed to conceal AIPAC's surveillance,
>>monitoring, and intelligence-gathering operations. In an Aug 7, 1990
>>internal memorandum to Steve Rosen, AIPAC Foreign Policy Issues
>>director, Lewis boasted: 
>>
>>"There is no question that we exert a policy impact, but working
>>behind the scenes and taking care not to leave fingerprints, that
>>impact is not always traceable to us."
>>
>>As part of its intelligence-gathering operation, Policy Analysis has 
>>created a fictional person and a bogus company to infiltrate opposing 
>>organizations by paying membership dues or making donations to them.
>>This AIPAC creation is "Paul Hunt" of "Paul Hunt & Associates."  AIPAC
>>rents a post office box on Capitol Hill for Mr. Hunt's mail, and has
>>installed a separate Paul Hunt telephone line in the AIPAC office.
>>"Paul Hunt" has even been listed as a donor to the _Washington Report
>>on Middle East Affairs_. 
>>
>>Secret _Activities_
>>
>>Nowhere is secrecy more meticulously applied than to the production
>>and distribution of _Activities_, the weekly AIPAC publication which
>>disseminates information on individuals and organizations critical of
>>Israel or Israeli policies. Although _Activities_ is the most visible
>>product of its Policy Analysis section, AIPAC takes great pains to
>>hide its connection with _Activities_, in order to avoid the
>>controversy that arose over its blacklisting of "enemies" in its 1983
>>publication of _The Campaign to 
>>
>>
>>Discredit Israel_.
>>
>>
>> _Activities_' select and tightly controlled recipients are encouraged
>>to use the material as they see fit, "subject only to the provision
>>that AIPAC not be attributed as its source."  _Activities_ is
>>distributed to AIPAC's Washington and regional staff, its officers,
>>the major Jewish organizational leaders, Jewish Federations and
>>Community Relations Councils around the nation, pro-Israel activists
>>and academics.
>>
>>It also goes to the Israeli Embassy in Washington and to other
>>Israelis both in the U.S. and in Israel. AIPAC employees are not
>>permitted to take _Activities_ out of the office and may not mention
>>the existence of _Activities_ outside AIPAC's walls. A disquieting
>>breach of security was revealed at the 1990 national convention of the
>>American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) when that
>>organization's president, Abdeen Jabara, referred casually to having
>>received an AIPAC study entitled 
>>
>>
>>_Activities_.
>>
>>
>>Assessing the problem, Lewis wrote in an April 2, 1990 memorandum to 
>>Dine: "_Activities_ is distributed to some 400+ people, so it will
>>probably be impossible to trace the source of this leak. There is
>>nothing in _Activities_ which points to who is its originator and it
>>is sent out in plain envelopes, so the material obviously did not just
>>accidentally get passed on to ADC. This is the first time that any of
>>these groups have made any reference to their being in receipt of
>>_Activities_."
>>
>>Information contained in _Activities_ has been used by the National 
>>Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC), American Jewish 
>>Congress (AJC), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Committee for
>>Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), National Jewish
>>Coalition (NJC), and the Jewish Institute for National Security
>>Affairs (JINSA).
>>
>>According to Lewis: "Because _Activities_ is read by many of the major
>>
>>Jewish and pro-Israel organizational players, _Activities_ ensures
>>that there is a cognizance of the activities of the anti-Israel forces
>>both in Washington and the grassroots and the issues on which they are
>>focusing.
>>
>>Ultimately, of all the information disseminated from AIPAC,
>>_Activities_ may well be the most eagerly sought, read and used to
>>good advantage."
>>
>>One of the ways that this information was "used to good advantage" was
>>
>>in a 1990 American Jewish Congress fund-raising letter. It accused
>>Executive Director James Zogby of the Arab American Institute of "the
>>new anti-Semitism" (criticism of Israeli policies) and compared him
>>with white supremacist David Duke and black nationalist Rev. Louis
>>Farrakhan because Zogby criticized pro-Israel political action
>>committees. No sources were given in the letter for quotations
>>attributed to Zogby.
>>
>>When Zogby protested, AJC Executive Director Henry Siegman, whose name
>>
>>appeared at the bottom of the letter, denied prior knowledge of the
>>mailing and blamed overzealous fund-raisers for its wording.
>>_Washington Post_ columnist Richard Cohen wrote in an Oct. 3, 1990,
>>column, "There's no doubt in my mind that the American Jewish
>>Congress' letter writers went off half-cocked -- and without Siegman's
>>knowledge. "It might surprise Cohen to know that Siegman, not AJC's
>>fund-raisers, is one of the select recipients of AIPAC's _Activities_,
>>from which every one of the quotes attributed to Zogby had been taken.
>>
>>Nor, after publication of Cohen's article, was it some unnamed "letter
>>
>>writer" but Siegman, personally, who contacted AIPAC's Michael Lewis
>>for help in trying to build a case that Zogby was indeed an
>>"anti-Semite."  Lewis faxed an AIPAC "living memo" of Zogby's
>>statements, actions and affiliations to Siegman in New York.
>>
>>"I hope this information is of help," Lewis wrote on the cover sheet. 
>>
>>"The compilation as such should not be sent to Richard Cohen, and the 
>>information should not be attributed to AIPAC."
>>
>>Writing in the _Village Voice_ on Jan. 22, 1991, Nat Hentoff argued
>>that the AJC letter had "resurrected the spirit of Joe McCarthy."
>>Hentoff also quoted Zogby's reaction to his own personal ordeal with
>>neo-McCarthyism: 
>>
>>"When the ADL and AIPAC falsely and maliciously labeled me a
>>'terrorist member of the PLO' speaking engagements were canceled,
>>political candidates refused to associate with me, and my family and I
>>were harassed and threatened with violence. Now, I know that ADL and
>>AIPAC were not involved in the harassment or the violence -- but
>>vilification and scurrilous attacks of the sort they indulged in can
>>create the atmosphere in which ugly actions can occur."
>>
>>Siegman never apologized to Zogby for the actions of his "overzealous 
>>fund-raisers."
>>
>>
>> Disingenuous Disclaiming
>>
>>
>>AIPAC is careful never to advocate specific actions to be taken
>>against individuals and organizations named in _Activities_. In fact,
>>it puts on the front cover of every edition the disingenuous
>>disclaimer that "the inclusion of material in _Activities_ implies
>>neither endorsement nor criticism of any group."  By distributing
>>derogatory allegations about critics of Israel, however, AIPAC in
>>effect tells pro-Israel activists, "Here are the people who are your
>>enemies -- now go out and do something about it!"
>>
>>AIPAC's Policy Analysis section works closely with its college liaison
>>department, the Political Leadership Development Program (PLDP). When
>>AIPAC is informed of an upcoming speech by an "anti-Israel"
>>personality, summaries of that person's standard arguments,
>>question-and-answer style, and a list of possibly damaging quotations
>>are sent to pro-Israel activists at the host institution, who also are
>>asked to send tapes or accounts of the speech back to AIPAC. AIPAC
>>also draws up questions for "plants" in the audience, and suggests
>>other strategies suited to the particular venue.
>>
>>Typical of this kind of preparation was a confidential memo sent in
>>1985 to AIPAC opposition researcher Anna Gottlieb by AIPAC regional
>>director Murray Wood in Los Angeles. For an October 20th "Conference
>>on Peace With Justice in the Middle East" at Mira Costa College,
>>arrangements were made to "monitor the conference...have a corps of
>>'our' people in the audience, well-trained and briefed...call a
>>meeting with the local ADL and American Jewish Committee directors to
>>develop a coordinated strategy...(and provide) background material" on
>>the speakers.
>>
>>Human rights activist Noam Chomsky, a linguistics professor at 
>>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, described the ADL file compiled
>>on him: "It's just like an FBI file -- 150 pages of material, clips
>>from newspapers and inter-office memos saying I was going to show up
>>at this or that place, surveillance of talks I have given,
>>characterization of what was said in the talks [often falsified]. All
>>this material goes into a central source. Then when I give a talk
>>somewhere, my file will be given to the appropriate local group, who
>>will be able to dig through it, and come up with statements that I
>>allegedly made at some time during the last 15 years to be publicized
>>in unsigned pamphlets."
>>
>>Under lock and key in the office of Michael Lewis are literally
>>hundreds and hundreds of such files on people and organizations that
>>AIPAC deems to be "anti-Israel."  Among politicians upon whom such
>>files exist are former Bush administration White House Chief of Staff
>>John Sununu, former Reagan administration secretaries of defense
>>Caspar Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, former President Jimmy Carter
>>and former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, Senate
>>Minority Leader Robert Dole, Republican Senate John Chafee, House
>>Majority Whip David Bonior, and Democratic Representatives John
>>Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Mary Rose Oakar, Nick Joe
>>Rahall, James Traficant and many others.
>>
>> The largest file that AIPAC keeps on any single person is that of 
>>District of Columbia "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson. While AIPAC's 
>>surveillance and monitoring is mostly confined to an individual's 
>>professional statements and activities, in Jackson's case, AIPAC was
>>caught venturing into personal innuendo. As revealed by CBS' "60
>>Minutes," an internal AIPAC memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1987 proposed
>>generating media interest in allegations that Jackson had extramarital
>>affairs.
>>
>>AIPAC also maintains files on what it characterizes as "anti-Israel" 
>>journalists to stifle open media discussion on the Middle East. AIPAC 
>>maintains files on Peter Jennings, Mike Wallace, Patrick Buchanan,
>>Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, Thomas Friedman, Anthony Lewis,
>>Richard Cohen, Carl Rowan, Alexander Cockburn and Joseph Sobran, among
>>others.
>>
>>Reminiscent of Senator Joe McCarthy's scouring of Hollywood for 
>>"communists," and their "fellow travelers" in the entertainment
>>industry, AIPAC also has opened files on Ed Asner, Woody Allen,
>>Richard Dreyfus, Vanessa Redgrave, Casey Kasem, Mike Farrell, Barbra
>>Streisand, Michael Moore, Peter Yarrow, and many more.
>>
>> 
>>"Have You No Shame?"
>>
>>
>> In the spring of 1954, a nationwide audience watching the televised
>>Army-McCarthy hearings sat transfixed as Boston attorney Joseph Welch
>>stood to demand of Senator McCarthy, "Sir, have you no shame?"  Only
>>after that dramatic confrontation, pictured over and over as
>>intimidated journalists and politicians finally dared to speak out,
>>did the shadow of "McCarthyism" slowly recede from American public
>>life.
>> 
>>Today, some Jewish organizations finally are asking that same question
>>of the Israel lobby. Two years ago, several local Jewish community
>>relations organizations issued a statement condemning an attack by the
>>hard-line Americans For A Safe Israel (AFSI) against the New Israel
>>Fund (NIF).
>> 
>>This local initiative inspired a resolution adopted nationally by the
>>National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC)
>>condemning the "McCarthy-like" tactics used by some Jewish
>>organizations. The resolution proposed guidelines for dealing with
>>"the right of dissent" on Israeli policies, and emphasized the
>>importance of open and thoughtful exchange in an atmosphere of "mutual
>>tolerance and civility."  However, while NJCRAC denounced such fringe
>>groups as AFSI, it failed to address the problem of neo-McCarthyism
>>within more mainstream Jewish organizations.
>>
>>AIPAC and ADL must be held accountable by the organized American
>>Jewish community for their blacklisting and smear tactics and for the
>>climate of hatred and repression they have created. Let American
>>Jewish organizations demand that AIPAC stop circulation of its
>>blacklists and destroy the files it keeps on the "enemies of Israel."
>>
>>Only if Americans refuse to be silenced by false charges of hatred and
>>racism can there be free and open debate on U.S. policy in the Middle
>>East.  
>>
>>And only through such debate will the U.S. be able to contribute
>>toward a lasting solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
>>
>>[Gregory D. Slabodkin, a free-lance writer in Washington, DC, was an
>>opposition researcher for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee
>>(AIPAC) in 1990 and 1991.]
>>
>>Call the American Educational Trust TOLL-FREE at 1-800-368-5788 or
>>write: American Educational Trust P.O. Box 53062 Washington, DC 20009
>>
>> NOTE: They may still be giving out free sample copies of _The
>>Washington Report on Middle East Affairs_.  Ask for one!   * END
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.natall.com
>>http://www.natvan.com
>>
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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:01:24 GMT, torquemada@inquisition.org wrote:

>What is your problem, that you can not intelligently respond to the
>article??
>
>The mantra of the Jews is to wail and moan about "antisemitism".  (And
>their moaning does indeed have the intensity of religious fervour).
>According to the Jews, generations of demonic Christians practiced
>racial/religious discrimination against the Jews.  The Jews claim that
>Christian mothers for generations have nurtured their young with
>antisemitism as naturally as they nurture them with milk.  
>
>The phenomenon of "antisemitism" deserves critical study.  Of course,
>the very word antisemitism is itself a misnomer, a characteristic
>Jewish attempt to obfuscate the issues at hand (we are not concerned
>here with Semites, but with the racial/ethnic/cultural group of Jews;
>Jews imply here, incorrectly, that criticism of them is criticism of
>all Semitic peoples).  To listen to the Jews, "antisemitism" goes back
>to Jesus Christ himself and to the Christian scriptures.  
>
>Having observed the Jews from childhood and sharing close contacts
>with them in academia and in business, I have had considerable
>opportunity to speculate on their "antisemitism."  I myself was raised
>to regard all humans as equals, regardless of race/ethnicity/religion.
>Growing up, I felt, if anything, a sympathy for the Jews (just because
>there was so much discussion, so much literature published on the
>topic, I assumed that there must be something legitimate to
>"antisemitism").  In vain, however, I sought within myself the
>roots of some prejudice against the Jews.  I came to the conclusion
>that all of this moaning and groaning and shedding of crocodile tears
>is a lie.  Moreover, it is essentially racist and ethnocentric.  It is
>shamelss deception used to advance the interests of one group. 
>
>Jews are uncanny in their ability at recognizing an opportunity to
>advance their own economic/social/political/moral position by crying
>"antisemitism."  They are strategists par excellance. How do they
>sniff out this "antisemitism"? How do they learn to recognize an
>"antisemite"?  
>
>In reality, "antisemitism" was born of the Jews' own deep hatred for
>non-Jews and their religious teachings which promote discrimination
>against non-Jews.  The Israeli scholar Israel Shahak states: "Judaism
>is imbued with a very deep hatred towards Christianity, combined with
>ignorance about it" (quote p. 97, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The
>Weight of Three Thousand Years, London: Pluto Press, 1994, foreward by
>Gore Vidal).  Knowing no tradition of democracy or intellectual
>freedom, the Jews for centuries were herded like cattle by
>their rabbis.  The very ghetto system has its origin in the teachings
>of Judaism and in the leadership of the rabbis.  Isolated socially
>from non-Jews, the Jews were fed a steady diet of anti-Christian
>hatred by their rabbis, who emphasized the anti-Christian teachings of
>the Jewish Talmud.  
>
>Traditionally, the higher secular and religious authorities in
>Christian society sheltered and protected the Jews.  Why then were
>there periodic revolts against the Jews, in which Christian peasants
>committed acts of violence against Jews?  As an honest Jewish
>historian will admit, the root of these disturbances was ECONOMIC, and
>should not be sought in some mythical  RACIAL/RELIGIOUS hatred of
>Jews.  The Jews were traditionally used by the Christian royalty and
>nobility to manipulate the Christian lower classes.  The Jews were
>tavern-keepers, shop-owners, money-lenders.  They were viewed by the
>Christian peasant as bloodsuckers and parasites.  It is a fact that
>Jews were murdered by Christian peasants, but this happened in what
>was popularly understood as a response to Jewish greed and
>manipulation.  
>
>In response to criticism of the Jews, 19th century Jews formulated the
>theory of hereditary Christian antisemitism.  In reality, the type of
>hatred of which Christians were accused was the same type of hatred
>which JEWS THEMSELVES had harboured against Christians over the
>centuries.  (Of course, the Jews have never been eager to discuss
>their true feelings towards Christians.  These feelings, passed down
>from generation to generation, are responsible for the hopeless racism
>and ethnocentrism we observe daily among the Jews, e.g. the
>idea accepted by both Jews and non-Jews that Jews have the right to
>promote intermarriage only within their own community.  Yet for a
>Christian to really understand this ethnocentrism, he needs access to
>original Hebrew-language sources).  Their beloved Sigmund Freud
>called this psychological device PROJECTION.  The Jews have PROJECTED
>their own anti-Christian hatred onto the Christians.  
>
>Who then is an "antisemite"?  An antisemite is a person disliked by
>the Jews.  
>
>ov
>
>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:07:54 GMT, couzijn@/remove-this/ilo.uva.nl
>(Michel Couzijn) wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:53:30 GMT, torquemada@inquisition.org wrote:
>>
>>>The phenomenon of "antisemitism" deserves critical study.
>>
>>Absolutely. But not by you,
>>Michel Couzijn
>>Amsterdam, The Netherlands



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On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:13:12 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On 02 May 1998 16:44:09 GMT, panjanusz@aol.com (Pan Janusz) wrote:
>
>>Translated from Polish:
>
>>Reprinted from "Polish Weekly"  published in Australia.
>
>>Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued the extradition papers
>>for war criminal Samuel Morel. Polish authorities will ask authorities in
>>Israel to extradite Morel.
>>Morel is accused of "cruel treatment and tortures of prisoners and jeopardizing
>>their safety and health." Using common language, between years 1945-1950 he was
>>beating prisoners, torturing and killing them.
>
>>Morel was born in 1919, from 1940 was a member of Jewish band which was
>>assaulting Polish villages in province of Kielce and robbing Polish farmers. In
>>December of 1942 during one of their assaults the band was destroyed by a
>>detachment of People's Army ( communist guerillas in nazi occupied Poland).
>>Father and brother of Morel were executed, he alone became a member of the
>>People's Army. He defected from the group when Red Army was inching toward
>>province of Kielce and became a member of Soviet guerillas.
>>Soon he became an officer of UB (communist Security Office in Soviet occupied
>>Poland).
>>In the beginning of 1945 he was sent to the region of Silesia and received the
>>nomination on the camp commandant for Germans in Swietochlowice.
>> About his crime committed in this camp wrote, among others, an American
>>journalist John Sack in his book "Eye for an eye" ( for this book John Sack who
>>is a Jew was decalred an antisemite).
>>In the end of December of 1945 Morel had been transferred and became a warden
>>of the UB prison in Opole. There he tortured Poles and Germans. He also
>>tortured minors in the labor camp in Jaworzno which he was a commandant between
>>1946-1950. He was fired from this post, for mortality among prisoners was too
>>big. 
>
>>In 1991 he was interviewed by a prosecutor, panicked and fled to Israel.
>>After spending all his money, within few months he returned to Poland, but soon
>>he surfaced in Sweden where he demanded political asylum argumenting that he
>>was persecuted in Poland because he was a Jew. His plea was rejected and Morel
>>again came back to Poland. 
>>On 10th of July Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued arrest
>>warrant. They were late. Morel again fled to Israel.
>>His retirement pention is being picked up by the wife of the criminal.
>>Since 1996 Morel is on the most wanted list of the INTERPOL.
>>According to international law he should be arrested by Israeli police and
>>charged by Israel with war crimes.
>>He should.....
>
>>Translated by Janusz Styber
>



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On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, "((((())))))"
> wrote:
>
>>The Kastner Case
>>
>>                              
>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about
>>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the Supreme
>>Court of Israel.
>>
>>                              The Accusations
>>
>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse certain
>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went
>>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>
>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany 
>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, 
>>pp261-2)
>>
>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions' published in
>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep
>>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>high for me.
>>
>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>
>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You can
>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>
>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase of 
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>
>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>>                                The Verdict
>>
>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>carefully.
>>
>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>
>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>
>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>such false information and did not protest.
>>
>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>
>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>the deportation orders.
>>
>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations...these
>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>
>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>easier.
>>
>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S. 
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.
>>
>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total annihilation.
>>
>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>the German Satan.
>>
>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>the book of the living.
>>
>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and put
>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>evade this truth.
>>
>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>1955).
>>
>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the 'new
>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.
>>
>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of
>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.
>>
>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner
>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner's
>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>
>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the
>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were
>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>
>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when
>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed the
>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the defense to
>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove
>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>
>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.
>>
>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his testimony
>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute
>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming truth -
>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up
>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the
>>affidavit.
>>
>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to
>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good
>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>intention of good Becher'.
>>
>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his
>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World
>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate
>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal
>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions
>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith
>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's affidavit
>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war
>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>
>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his
>>statements." 
>>
>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel
>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered
>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as
>>court costs.
>>
>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to
>>much more than that.
>>
>>But the story does not end there.
>> 
>>The Reaction
>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now
>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>
>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>Government of Israel.
>>
>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>
>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>
>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead
>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government
>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed. What
>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on
>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>
>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of
>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was
>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>
>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National
>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in
>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>
>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration was
>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>leadership.
>>
>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But
>>the story gets worse.
>>
>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a 
>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the 
>>name 
>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>
>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court -
>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>rehabilitated'.
>>
>>                        
>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these
>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found
>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of
>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>
>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the
>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove
>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner.
>>They joined him.
>>
>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>Chesin:
>>
>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj,
>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of
>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This vivid
>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>protocol 465).
>>
>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The Jews
>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither
>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the
>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly
>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when
>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from
>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even
>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say
>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews
>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to
>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission - the
>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not
>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its
>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his
>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose
>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody
>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of
>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with
>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District
>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his
>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a
>>moral and public point of view...
>>
>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who
>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one
>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton,
>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of
>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn
>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>
>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary
>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>
>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the Hungarian
>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many
>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their knowledge of
>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>train for Palestine.
>>
>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is 
>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the
>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a
>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here
>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>guilt of others....
>>
>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an
>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of
>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few -
>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating
>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in
>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>
>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such
>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation
>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive
>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the
>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able
>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of
>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. -
>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty
>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue
>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he
>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as
>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a
>>claim of such good faith...
>>
>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die
>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come
>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual
>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He
>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete
>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation
>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was
>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner
>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this
>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the
>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the
>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and
>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting
>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity.
>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>
>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>
>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small revolts,
>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs of
>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which
>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>
>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or the
>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder.
>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>evidence for this.
>>
>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of
>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of rescuing
>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't base
>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is
>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive
>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>
>>                         
>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their
>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been
>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration
>>with the Nazis.
>>
>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>
>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with
>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave
>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain
>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an
>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West
>>Germany.
>>
>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the
>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure
>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what
>>might come out.
>>
>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue
>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial .
>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the 
>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>Palestine.
>>
>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was
>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in
>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957
>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were
>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the
>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>>
>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>
>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>
>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>sensitive site. 
>>
>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>groups. 
>>
>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>
>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>site inevitable. 
>>
>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>
>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>
>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>
>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>
>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>
>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>and nationalists. 
>>
>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>forgotten. 
>>
>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>be removed. 
>>>
>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>
>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>
>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>the moment.'' 
>>
>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>
>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>
>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>
>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>
>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>
>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>
>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>
>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>
>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>
>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>
>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>Jewish community.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>



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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:27:17 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:33:07 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote:
>
>>This article is recovered from dejanews, and merits discussion again
>>
>>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:54:52 +1000, petermac@dynamite.com.au (Peter
>>Mackay) wrote:
>>>In article ,
>>>s.souter@edfac.usyd.edu.au (Stephen Souter) wrote:
>>>>} Something about a "list", wasn't it?
>>>>Spindler's List
>>
>>You mean Swindler's List, or perhaps Libeler's List??
>>
>>>Peter Mackay, Campbell
>>>Peter Lucas, Bulimba
>>>petermac@dynamite.com.au
>>>http://www.netinfo.com.au/~petermac
>>
>>For the benefit of those able to read, enjoy the following:
>>
>>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:03:14 GMT, peterjames@usa.net (Peter James)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:34:22 +1000, Brian 
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:36:20 +1000, Brian 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>> >On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> I have a question:
>>
>>>>> >[snip]
>>>*******************************************************************************************
>>>(PJ)
>> 
>>>>> And were you indicting the Israelis on a charge of "Genocide" against
>>>>> the Palestinian Nation?
>>
>>
>>>(BR)
>>>>	Essentially, yes, I was.   I made and still do make the point 
>>>>that all too often the Israelis have engaged in making use of the same 
>>>>tactics against the Palestinians as the Nazis did against the Jews and 
>>>>other occupied peoples of Europe.
>>
>>Come to think of it, last year there was amajor news story, detailing
>>the active involvement of JEWs with Hitler's military!!!
>>
>>article follows
>>
>>On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:03:42 GMT, torquemada@inquisition.org decided
>>to say, in soc.culture.malaysia, using 202 valuable lines of text:
>>
>>>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:27:32 -0600, bushbadee@juno.com wrote:
>>>>In article <353fd933.625226@news.datanet.ab.ca>, torquemada@inquisition.org
>>>>writes:
>>
>>>>>n the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>>And you ass hole worship a Jew, so what does that make you.
>>
>>>Actually Christ was murdered by the JEWs, because he exposed their
>>>criminal activities, even the money-changing in the temples!!!
>>
>>Christ was legally executed  by the Romans at the instigation of some
>>Jews, if the NT is to be believed. Christ himself was a Jew. The
>>activities of the money changers, while perhaps in bad taste, clearly
>>weren't illegal.
>>
>>>As for the JEWs active in the Nazi military, there are many documented
>>>reports to prove this!!!
>>
>>but quite by chance you forgot to post a reference. 
>>
>>If you know how to read, then READ the report by Professor Rigg, and
>>other references  below, cited.
>>
>>>The TRUTH about the many hundreds of thousands of JEWS who were active
>>>in the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:37:49 -0700, irgun43@mail.earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>>Sir,
>>>>  You shame yourself and your Japanese nation by spreading such lies.
>>>>  If you're saying that a few Jews tried to escape being killed by
>>>>pretending to be Germans in the Nazi army, that could be possible. What
>>>>you are saying is that Jews in great numbers willingly fought with those
>>>>who were killing them. That is a lie and you know it. Do you enjoy being
>>>>an open liar?
>>>>                               irgun43
>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:38:19 +0700, "Hasan"  wrote: 
>>>>> >Yesss!
>>
>>>>> >They killed Jesus and now killing many Palestinian BOYS (once again BOYS)
>>>>> >and reporters who try to record their barbarity, and like Nazi’s who feel
>>>>> >superior by saying “DEUTSCHE UBER ALLES”, the Jews claim themselves as
>>>>> >“CHOSEN PEOPLE.”
>>
>>>>> >So, the Jews are nothing but a bunch of racists or fascists.
>>
>>>>> From doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com Sun Jan 25 17:14:46 1998
>>>>> Based on previous post from DejaNews archives:
>>
>>>>> http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315100303&CONTEXT=885769316.1533018197&hitnum=0
>>
>>>>> On 11 Jan 1998 04:22:13 GMT, billbrtn@aol.com (BillBrtn) wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> Adolf Hitler had some Jews in his inner circle
>>
>>>>> http://www.viamall.com/ihf/653.html
>>
>>>>> This is the extraordinary story of Henry (Heinz) von Javorsky, a man
>>>>> who has survived and thrived in many lands and under many regimes
>>>>> because of his skill with a camera. In Nazi Germany he was able to
>>>>> make a living--and live--despite having a Jewish grandmother, because
>>>>> he was a specialist in aerial photography--
>>
>>>>> >>: Jews that had Iron Crosses and/or had proven their
>>>>> >>loyalty to Germany were not harassed by the Gestapo, the SS or the SA.
>>
>>>>> You need to read about the Hindenburg exemption in Lucy Dawidowicz's
>>>>> book The War Against The Jews.
>>
>>>>> Lucy S. Dawidowicz's book titled THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS1933-1945 by
>>>>> Bantam Books Incorporated [#13084-6, 1979 ed].
>>
>>>>> * April 7, 1933 Hitler's letter to Hindenburg gave exemptions to
>>>>> the "Jewish Problem." "Officials who were already employed as civil
>>>>> servants on or before August 1, 1914, or who during the World War,
>>>>> fought at the front for Germany or her allies, or whose fathers or
>>>>> sons were killed in action in the World War." (pg 77)
>>>>> * ["Starting May 4, 1942, the Jews from Germany, Luxembourg, Vienna,
>>>>> and Prague would be deported, except for the employed among them
>>>>> and the holders of the Iron Cross or other World War I decorations.
>>>>> Hitherto, those Jews as a group had been exempt from the
>>>>> deportations."]
>>
>>                         ____________________________
>>
>>>>> Or how about this?
>>
>>>>>                                        Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>>>> "If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing
>>>>> what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that
>>>>> is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of
>>>>> the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>>>> Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge and approval.
>>
>>>>> Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>>>> ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field
>>>>> marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant
>>>>> generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."
>>
>>>>> [ http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html ]
>>
>>>>> In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were
>>>>> awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.
>>
>>>>> One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>>>> northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and
>>>>> practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>>>> One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>>>> Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish identity circulated
>>>>> widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>>>> In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>>>> birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi
>>>>> high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew and who is an
>>>>> Aryan.''
>>
>>>>> Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>>>> German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was
>>>>> in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>>>> Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>>>> Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German
>>>>> officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch,
>>>>> whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>>>> Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto
>>>>> police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).
>> 
>>>>> So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all
>>>>> Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against
>>>>> Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>> 
>>>>> Sources:
>> 
>>>>> William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>>>> Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>>>> Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
>>>>> http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/zad/zad13.html
>>
>>>>> Article " Hitler's Jewish Army" from:
>>>>> http://www.hoffman-info.com/jewishnazi.html
>>
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html97/altnazi_040397.html 
>>>>> Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Thursday, April 3, 1997
>> 
>>>>> Hitler let `Aryanized' Jews serve in Nazi armed forces
>>>>> by Reuters
>>
>>>>> BONN - Adolf Hitler personally allowed at least 77 army officers of
>>>>> Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in
>>>>> the German Wehrmacht during World War II, an American historian said
>>>>> yesterday...... [Click the above link to see all of the story.]
>> 
>>>>> See also:
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html/holo_122696.html
>>>>> Copyright © 1996 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Dec. 26, 1996
>>
>>>>> An eerie part of Holocaust history: Researcher talks to Jews who
>>>>> served in Nazi army
>>
>>>>> by William D. Montalbano
>>>>> Los Angeles Times
>>
>>>>> LONDON - Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>>>> mission, Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man's land
>>>>> of Holocaust history.
>>
>>>>> Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of
>>>>> them high-ranking officers, who fought for Nazi Germany in World War
>>>>> II - during the Holocaust, when Germans killed 6 million Jews.
>>
>>>>> "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called `full Jews' served in the military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time
>>>>> exterminated their families," Rigg said. [Click link above to read the
>>>>> whole story.]
>>>>> 
>>>>>  http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html
>>
>>>Quite.      Glad we can agree on something.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>****************************************************************************************
>>>
>>>Mr Leibler:    you have chosen to gratuitously & viciously persecute
>>>a defenceless minority of Australians  -    who are innocent of any
>>>wrong-doing  -  on purely political grounds;  by publishing to the
>>>world, their names & residential suburbs in your magazine.
>>>
>>>In the interests of "balance", would you now care to publish to the
>>>world,  the names & residential suburbs of those Australian residents
>>>& citizens who are bankrolling the "Genocide" of the Palestinian
>>>Nation;  with a higher financial contribution per capita, than any
>>>other members of your diaspora, on the Planet.
>>>
>>>You say you have a deep & abiding concern for "political
>>>transparency":    lets see you really put your publishing skills
>>>where your mouth is...
>>>
>>>cheers,          PJ
>>
>>Better yet, publish a list of all those businesses owned or/and
>>controlled by Jews, in Australia, USA, GB, Germany, France and Russia.
>>
>>Let the world see who is really controlling world affairs, even before
>>the year 2000!!!



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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:27:17 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:33:07 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote:
>
>>This article is recovered from dejanews, and merits discussion again
>>
>>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:54:52 +1000, petermac@dynamite.com.au (Peter
>>Mackay) wrote:
>>>In article ,
>>>s.souter@edfac.usyd.edu.au (Stephen Souter) wrote:
>>>>} Something about a "list", wasn't it?
>>>>Spindler's List
>>
>>You mean Swindler's List, or perhaps Libeler's List??
>>
>>>Peter Mackay, Campbell
>>>Peter Lucas, Bulimba
>>>petermac@dynamite.com.au
>>>http://www.netinfo.com.au/~petermac
>>
>>For the benefit of those able to read, enjoy the following:
>>
>>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:03:14 GMT, peterjames@usa.net (Peter James)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:34:22 +1000, Brian 
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:36:20 +1000, Brian 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>> >On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> I have a question:
>>
>>>>> >[snip]
>>>*******************************************************************************************
>>>(PJ)
>> 
>>>>> And were you indicting the Israelis on a charge of "Genocide" against
>>>>> the Palestinian Nation?
>>
>>
>>>(BR)
>>>>	Essentially, yes, I was.   I made and still do make the point 
>>>>that all too often the Israelis have engaged in making use of the same 
>>>>tactics against the Palestinians as the Nazis did against the Jews and 
>>>>other occupied peoples of Europe.
>>
>>Come to think of it, last year there was amajor news story, detailing
>>the active involvement of JEWs with Hitler's military!!!
>>
>>article follows
>>
>>On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:03:42 GMT, torquemada@inquisition.org decided
>>to say, in soc.culture.malaysia, using 202 valuable lines of text:
>>
>>>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:27:32 -0600, bushbadee@juno.com wrote:
>>>>In article <353fd933.625226@news.datanet.ab.ca>, torquemada@inquisition.org
>>>>writes:
>>
>>>>>n the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>>And you ass hole worship a Jew, so what does that make you.
>>
>>>Actually Christ was murdered by the JEWs, because he exposed their
>>>criminal activities, even the money-changing in the temples!!!
>>
>>Christ was legally executed  by the Romans at the instigation of some
>>Jews, if the NT is to be believed. Christ himself was a Jew. The
>>activities of the money changers, while perhaps in bad taste, clearly
>>weren't illegal.
>>
>>>As for the JEWs active in the Nazi military, there are many documented
>>>reports to prove this!!!
>>
>>but quite by chance you forgot to post a reference. 
>>
>>If you know how to read, then READ the report by Professor Rigg, and
>>other references  below, cited.
>>
>>>The TRUTH about the many hundreds of thousands of JEWS who were active
>>>in the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:37:49 -0700, irgun43@mail.earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>>Sir,
>>>>  You shame yourself and your Japanese nation by spreading such lies.
>>>>  If you're saying that a few Jews tried to escape being killed by
>>>>pretending to be Germans in the Nazi army, that could be possible. What
>>>>you are saying is that Jews in great numbers willingly fought with those
>>>>who were killing them. That is a lie and you know it. Do you enjoy being
>>>>an open liar?
>>>>                               irgun43
>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:38:19 +0700, "Hasan"  wrote: 
>>>>> >Yesss!
>>
>>>>> >They killed Jesus and now killing many Palestinian BOYS (once again BOYS)
>>>>> >and reporters who try to record their barbarity, and like Nazi’s who feel
>>>>> >superior by saying “DEUTSCHE UBER ALLES”, the Jews claim themselves as
>>>>> >“CHOSEN PEOPLE.”
>>
>>>>> >So, the Jews are nothing but a bunch of racists or fascists.
>>
>>>>> From doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com Sun Jan 25 17:14:46 1998
>>>>> Based on previous post from DejaNews archives:
>>
>>>>> http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315100303&CONTEXT=885769316.1533018197&hitnum=0
>>
>>>>> On 11 Jan 1998 04:22:13 GMT, billbrtn@aol.com (BillBrtn) wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> Adolf Hitler had some Jews in his inner circle
>>
>>>>> http://www.viamall.com/ihf/653.html
>>
>>>>> This is the extraordinary story of Henry (Heinz) von Javorsky, a man
>>>>> who has survived and thrived in many lands and under many regimes
>>>>> because of his skill with a camera. In Nazi Germany he was able to
>>>>> make a living--and live--despite having a Jewish grandmother, because
>>>>> he was a specialist in aerial photography--
>>
>>>>> >>: Jews that had Iron Crosses and/or had proven their
>>>>> >>loyalty to Germany were not harassed by the Gestapo, the SS or the SA.
>>
>>>>> You need to read about the Hindenburg exemption in Lucy Dawidowicz's
>>>>> book The War Against The Jews.
>>
>>>>> Lucy S. Dawidowicz's book titled THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS1933-1945 by
>>>>> Bantam Books Incorporated [#13084-6, 1979 ed].
>>
>>>>> * April 7, 1933 Hitler's letter to Hindenburg gave exemptions to
>>>>> the "Jewish Problem." "Officials who were already employed as civil
>>>>> servants on or before August 1, 1914, or who during the World War,
>>>>> fought at the front for Germany or her allies, or whose fathers or
>>>>> sons were killed in action in the World War." (pg 77)
>>>>> * ["Starting May 4, 1942, the Jews from Germany, Luxembourg, Vienna,
>>>>> and Prague would be deported, except for the employed among them
>>>>> and the holders of the Iron Cross or other World War I decorations.
>>>>> Hitherto, those Jews as a group had been exempt from the
>>>>> deportations."]
>>
>>                         ____________________________
>>
>>>>> Or how about this?
>>
>>>>>                                        Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>>>> "If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing
>>>>> what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that
>>>>> is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of
>>>>> the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>>>> Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge and approval.
>>
>>>>> Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>>>> ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field
>>>>> marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant
>>>>> generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."
>>
>>>>> [ http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html ]
>>
>>>>> In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were
>>>>> awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.
>>
>>>>> One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>>>> northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and
>>>>> practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>>>> One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>>>> Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish identity circulated
>>>>> widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>>>> In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>>>> birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi
>>>>> high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew and who is an
>>>>> Aryan.''
>>
>>>>> Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>>>> German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was
>>>>> in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>>>> Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>>>> Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German
>>>>> officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch,
>>>>> whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>>>> Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto
>>>>> police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).
>> 
>>>>> So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all
>>>>> Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against
>>>>> Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>> 
>>>>> Sources:
>> 
>>>>> William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>>>> Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>>>> Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
>>>>> http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/zad/zad13.html
>>
>>>>> Article " Hitler's Jewish Army" from:
>>>>> http://www.hoffman-info.com/jewishnazi.html
>>
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html97/altnazi_040397.html 
>>>>> Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Thursday, April 3, 1997
>> 
>>>>> Hitler let `Aryanized' Jews serve in Nazi armed forces
>>>>> by Reuters
>>
>>>>> BONN - Adolf Hitler personally allowed at least 77 army officers of
>>>>> Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in
>>>>> the German Wehrmacht during World War II, an American historian said
>>>>> yesterday...... [Click the above link to see all of the story.]
>> 
>>>>> See also:
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html/holo_122696.html
>>>>> Copyright © 1996 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Dec. 26, 1996
>>
>>>>> An eerie part of Holocaust history: Researcher talks to Jews who
>>>>> served in Nazi army
>>
>>>>> by William D. Montalbano
>>>>> Los Angeles Times
>>
>>>>> LONDON - Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>>>> mission, Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man's land
>>>>> of Holocaust history.
>>
>>>>> Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of
>>>>> them high-ranking officers, who fought for Nazi Germany in World War
>>>>> II - during the Holocaust, when Germans killed 6 million Jews.
>>
>>>>> "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called `full Jews' served in the military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time
>>>>> exterminated their families," Rigg said. [Click link above to read the
>>>>> whole story.]
>>>>> 
>>>>>  http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html
>>
>>>Quite.      Glad we can agree on something.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>****************************************************************************************
>>>
>>>Mr Leibler:    you have chosen to gratuitously & viciously persecute
>>>a defenceless minority of Australians  -    who are innocent of any
>>>wrong-doing  -  on purely political grounds;  by publishing to the
>>>world, their names & residential suburbs in your magazine.
>>>
>>>In the interests of "balance", would you now care to publish to the
>>>world,  the names & residential suburbs of those Australian residents
>>>& citizens who are bankrolling the "Genocide" of the Palestinian
>>>Nation;  with a higher financial contribution per capita, than any
>>>other members of your diaspora, on the Planet.
>>>
>>>You say you have a deep & abiding concern for "political
>>>transparency":    lets see you really put your publishing skills
>>>where your mouth is...
>>>
>>>cheers,          PJ
>>
>>Better yet, publish a list of all those businesses owned or/and
>>controlled by Jews, in Australia, USA, GB, Germany, France and Russia.
>>
>>Let the world see who is really controlling world affairs, even before
>>the year 2000!!!



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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:14:27 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:22:18 GMT, doc_tavish@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc
>Tavish) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:28:08 -0400, The Truth of HateWatchWatch
>> wrote:
>>
>>>McVay is just trying to make money off his people being killed in the holacaust.
>>>I think that is damnable, but jews seems to want to profit from the holacaust.
>>
>>They also like holding the "holacaust" up in front of everyone because
>>it covers for what they did to Gentiles during their Genocidal
>>Bolshevik Revolution. Never forget this and be sure to visit and
>>support all the soon to be Doc Tavish Library branches. Each site is
>>equally worth of support and encouragement!
>>
>>					Doc Tavish
>>
>>----
>>Visit the Official Doc Tavish Libraries at:
>>http://www.crusader.net/texts/cng/doc
>>http://?????????? nearly finished!
>>http://???? number 3 starting construction!
>>Fourth Branch Being Considered!!



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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:48 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
 wrote:

>============
>Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>
>Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres. 
>Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>presently in Lithuania.
>
>But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei. 
>They were ususally not armed, and when armed never given more than five
>bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>(as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>the genocide.
>
>On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>
>But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>closed.
>
>While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>intelligentia clamored for the police work.  
>
>Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>
>-------------
>Jozef Pawlikowski
>
>We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>
>------------
>
>
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), cz mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), czy mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/



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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:48 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
 wrote:

>============
>Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>
>Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres. 
>Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>presently in Lithuania.
>
>But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei. 
>They were ususally not armed, and when armed never given more than five
>bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>(as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>the genocide.
>
>On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>
>But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>closed.
>
>While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>intelligentia clamored for the police work.  
>
>Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>
>-------------
>Jozef Pawlikowski
>
>We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>
>------------
>
>
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), cz mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), czy mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/



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On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, "((((())))))"
> wrote:
>
>>The Kastner Case
>>
>>                              
>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about
>>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the Supreme
>>Court of Israel.
>>
>>                              The Accusations
>>
>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse certain
>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went
>>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>
>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany 
>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, 
>>pp261-2)
>>
>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions' published in
>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep
>>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>high for me.
>>
>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>
>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You can
>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>
>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase of 
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>
>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>>                                The Verdict
>>
>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>carefully.
>>
>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>
>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>
>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>such false information and did not protest.
>>
>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>
>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>the deportation orders.
>>
>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations...these
>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>
>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>easier.
>>
>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S. 
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.
>>
>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total annihilation.
>>
>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>the German Satan.
>>
>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>the book of the living.
>>
>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and put
>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>evade this truth.
>>
>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>1955).
>>
>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the 'new
>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.
>>
>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of
>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.
>>
>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner
>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner's
>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>
>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the
>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were
>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>
>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when
>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed the
>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the defense to
>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove
>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>
>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.
>>
>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his testimony
>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute
>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming truth -
>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up
>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the
>>affidavit.
>>
>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to
>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good
>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>intention of good Becher'.
>>
>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his
>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World
>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate
>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal
>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions
>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith
>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's affidavit
>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war
>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>
>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his
>>statements." 
>>
>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel
>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered
>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as
>>court costs.
>>
>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to
>>much more than that.
>>
>>But the story does not end there.
>> 
>>The Reaction
>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now
>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>
>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>Government of Israel.
>>
>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>
>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>
>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead
>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government
>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed. What
>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on
>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>
>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of
>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was
>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>
>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National
>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in
>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>
>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration was
>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>leadership.
>>
>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But
>>the story gets worse.
>>
>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a 
>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the 
>>name 
>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>
>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court -
>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>rehabilitated'.
>>
>>                        
>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these
>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found
>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of
>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>
>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the
>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove
>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner.
>>They joined him.
>>
>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>Chesin:
>>
>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj,
>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of
>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This vivid
>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>protocol 465).
>>
>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The Jews
>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither
>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the
>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly
>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when
>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from
>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even
>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say
>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews
>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to
>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission - the
>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not
>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its
>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his
>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose
>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody
>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of
>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with
>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District
>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his
>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a
>>moral and public point of view...
>>
>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who
>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one
>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton,
>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of
>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn
>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>
>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary
>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>
>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the Hungarian
>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many
>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their knowledge of
>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>train for Palestine.
>>
>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is 
>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the
>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a
>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here
>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>guilt of others....
>>
>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an
>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of
>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few -
>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating
>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in
>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>
>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such
>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation
>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive
>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the
>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able
>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of
>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. -
>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty
>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue
>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he
>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as
>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a
>>claim of such good faith...
>>
>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die
>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come
>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual
>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He
>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete
>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation
>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was
>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner
>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this
>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the
>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the
>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and
>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting
>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity.
>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>
>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>
>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small revolts,
>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs of
>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which
>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>
>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or the
>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder.
>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>evidence for this.
>>
>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of
>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of rescuing
>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't base
>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is
>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive
>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>
>>                         
>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their
>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been
>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration
>>with the Nazis.
>>
>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>
>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with
>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave
>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain
>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an
>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West
>>Germany.
>>
>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the
>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure
>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what
>>might come out.
>>
>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue
>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial .
>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the 
>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>Palestine.
>>
>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was
>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in
>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957
>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were
>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the
>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).



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On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:20:51 -0700, Milton Wong 
wrote:

>Communism was invented by the Jew Karl Marx. Many other leading
>communists were/are Jews, for example Trotsky.
>
>The communists would never have succeeded in seizing power anywhere in
>the world without help from the Jewish Bolsheviks.
>
>Many if not most spies for the Soviet Union and its allies were/are
>Jews.
>
>Even those Jews who call themselves "conservative" or "democratic" are
>eager to support communism in foreign countries, especially China. I
>noticed during the recent visit to the United States of the leader of
>the illegal Chinese communist regime that he was photographed with his
>good friends Henry Kissinger (Jew) and Madeline Albright (Jew).
>
>It is estimated that the Chinese communists have murdered 65 million
>innocent people. I look forward to the day when China is liberated from
>the communists. In my opinion, the communist party should then be made
>illegal, communist/marxist/socialist literature (such as "Das Kapital"
>by the Jew Karl Marx) should be burned, all communists should be
>executed, all foreign (read: Jewish) collaborators who have helped the
>communists should be executed, all private property that was confiscated
>by the communists should be returned to its rightful owners or their
>heirs (if they were not all murdered by the communists; otherwise such
>property should be given as compensation to other victims of communism),
>and all property of communists or the communist party should be given to
>the victims of communism.
>
>Notice how much attention the U.S. (Jewish-controlled) media give to the
>Nazis' alleged murder of 6 million Jews, and how little attention they
>give to the victims of (Jewish-invented and Jewish-supported) communism.
>The communists are estimated to have murdered 65 million people in
>China, 20 million in the Soviet Union, 2 million in Cambodia, 2 million
>in North Korea, 1.7 million in Africa, 1 million in Vietnam, 1 million
>in Eastern Europe, and 150,000 in South America.
>



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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 14:24:37 GMT, kenoyvaySOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:20:12 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>
>>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>>Christ.
>>
>>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>>business.
>>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>>hoffman@hoffman-info.com (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:
>>
>>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn't these two Orthodox Hasidic
>>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering
>>>
>>>By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997
>>>
>>>NEW YORK -- A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
>>> rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to launder
>>> and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian narcotics dealers by
>>> routing the cash through the bank accounts of a synagogue and a yeshiva
>>>in Brooklyn. 
>>>
>>> The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought together
>>>a collection of strange bedfellows -- five New York representatives of
>>>Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who purportedly transported
>>>cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with ties to a close-knit Jewish
>>>community. 
>>>
>>> At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions of
>>>dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively modest
>>>Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from American and
>>>Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the Colombian drug
>>>lords. 
>>>
>>> "Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
>>>traffickers, and the  cynical act of using religious institutions to
>>>conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible," said Zachary Carter,
>>>the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in announcing the
>>>charges. 
>>>
>>> Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford Ave.,
>>>and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in Brooklyn, were
>>>arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day before U.S. Magistrate
>>>Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy to launder money. Two
>>>suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of 5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn,
>>>also were charged with conspiring to avoid federal cash-transaction
>>>reporting requirements. 
>>>
>>>Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of 320
>>>Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was released on
>>>$750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal complaint were listed
>>>as fugitives, and two more were being held in custody elsewhere in New
>>>York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst, the assistant federal
>>>attorney prosecuting the case. 
>>>
>>>Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used court-authorized
>>>wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint charged that the
>>>two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by taking cash from
>>>go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a synagogue-based
>>>organization and, after subtracting commissions, writing checks to drug
>>>traffickers. 
>>>
>>>Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the name
>>>of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation Eitz Chaim
>>>at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more than $19 million
>>>during the 10-month period when the laundering transactions occurred,
>>>between August 1995 and May 1996. 
>>>
>>>Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to have
>>>written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and Knobloch
>>>were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in drug money
>>>by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000 -- the amount
>>>that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting requirement --
>>>through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim and Bobover Yeshiva,
>>>at the same location. 
>>>
>>>The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was listed by
>>> prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of people at
>>>Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything about him or
>>>the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim Shel Shulem. 
>>>
>>>The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick front
>>>and a small awning imprinted with the institution's name in Hebrew. The
>>>only words in English on the facade call it "the Katz Family of Mexico
>>>Building." 
>>>
>>>In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people were
>>>studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who would not
>>>give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis named in the
>>>federal complaint. 
>>>
>>> The federal investigation -- an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney's
>>>Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service --
>>>began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
>>>withdrawals intended to circumvent the government's reporting rules in
>>>various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
>>>officials said. 
>>>
>>>With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other techniques, the
>>>investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in which Grunfeld and Knobloch
>>>eventually made more than $1 million in deposits and withdrawals --
>>>transactions, they said, that let the conspirators move large sums of
>>>illicit drug profits. 
>>>
>>> Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in Monday's
>>>complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five of them --
>>>Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio Rodriguez, 30; Juan
>>>Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 --were said to have brought in large sums
>>>that Colombian drug dealers wanted to launder. 
>>>
>>>The money was given to three men described as intermediaries -- Jack
>>>Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40, and
>>>Fabio Arana, both of
>>>Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted and stashed the money at an
>>>apartment at  243 West 75th St. 
>>>
>>>There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was later
>>>deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel Shulem.
>>>Grunfeld, the organization's president, signed checks that were made out
>>>to "entities in accordance with drug traffickers' instructions," the
>>>federal complaint said. 
>>>
>>>Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no formal
>>>connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said. Commissions of 13
>>>percent to 15 percent were deducted from the laundered money and divided
>>>among the intermediaries. 
>>>
>>> Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
>>>community came  into contact with professional money launderers and drug
>>>traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and Grunfeld, and
>>>Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy a Beech Super King
>>>aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
>>>================================================================================
>>>   The Campaign for Radical Truth in History: http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>                           News Bureau and Archives Online



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On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:13:12 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On 02 May 1998 16:44:09 GMT, panjanusz@aol.com (Pan Janusz) wrote:
>
>>Translated from Polish:
>
>>Reprinted from "Polish Weekly"  published in Australia.
>
>>Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued the extradition papers
>>for war criminal Samuel Morel. Polish authorities will ask authorities in
>>Israel to extradite Morel.
>>Morel is accused of "cruel treatment and tortures of prisoners and jeopardizing
>>their safety and health." Using common language, between years 1945-1950 he was
>>beating prisoners, torturing and killing them.
>
>>Morel was born in 1919, from 1940 was a member of Jewish band which was
>>assaulting Polish villages in province of Kielce and robbing Polish farmers. In
>>December of 1942 during one of their assaults the band was destroyed by a
>>detachment of People's Army ( communist guerillas in nazi occupied Poland).
>>Father and brother of Morel were executed, he alone became a member of the
>>People's Army. He defected from the group when Red Army was inching toward
>>province of Kielce and became a member of Soviet guerillas.
>>Soon he became an officer of UB (communist Security Office in Soviet occupied
>>Poland).
>>In the beginning of 1945 he was sent to the region of Silesia and received the
>>nomination on the camp commandant for Germans in Swietochlowice.
>> About his crime committed in this camp wrote, among others, an American
>>journalist John Sack in his book "Eye for an eye" ( for this book John Sack who
>>is a Jew was decalred an antisemite).
>>In the end of December of 1945 Morel had been transferred and became a warden
>>of the UB prison in Opole. There he tortured Poles and Germans. He also
>>tortured minors in the labor camp in Jaworzno which he was a commandant between
>>1946-1950. He was fired from this post, for mortality among prisoners was too
>>big. 
>
>>In 1991 he was interviewed by a prosecutor, panicked and fled to Israel.
>>After spending all his money, within few months he returned to Poland, but soon
>>he surfaced in Sweden where he demanded political asylum argumenting that he
>>was persecuted in Poland because he was a Jew. His plea was rejected and Morel
>>again came back to Poland. 
>>On 10th of July Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued arrest
>>warrant. They were late. Morel again fled to Israel.
>>His retirement pention is being picked up by the wife of the criminal.
>>Since 1996 Morel is on the most wanted list of the INTERPOL.
>>According to international law he should be arrested by Israeli police and
>>charged by Israel with war crimes.
>>He should.....
>
>>Translated by Janusz Styber
>



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On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:39:30 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>Another JEW Rabbi in NY state has been caught  dealing drugs - this
>time inside a prison!!!
>
>Rabbi Eli Gottesman,a chaplain at a federal medium security prison at
>Ray Brook, NY got caught with a large bottle filled with sealed
>balloons of cocaine and marijuana.
>
>He is a former head of the "who's Who in canadian Jewry", and has been
>a chaplain of the year named by the NY Board of rabbis.
>
>
>
>On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:52:54 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>
>>It seems that JEWS are not satisfied with having murdered Jesus
>>Christ.
>
>>Now some of them are involved, even from synagogues, in the DRUGS
>>business.
>>On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:10:26 -0800, in alt.revisionism
>>hoffman@hoffman-info.com (Michael A. Hoffman II) wrote:
>
>>>Michael A. Hoffman II comments: Why didn't these two Orthodox Hasidic
>>>(Bobover sect) rabbis enjoy the usual rabbinic immunity from arrest for
>>>their crimes? Could it be that their mantle of protection was removed by
>>>the more powerful Reform and Conservative Jews in America with whom they
>>>are at war in occupied Palestine over issues pertaining to modernity and
>>>conversion? Is this a warning to the Orthodox to back off from their
>>>assaults on Reform and Orthodox Jews? For more go to:
>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>2 Rabbis Charged With Money Laundering
>
>By ROBERT D. McFADDEN NY Times June 17, 1997
>
>NEW YORK -- A dozen men, including two identified as Orthodox Jewish
>rabbis, were charged by federal authorities Monday with conspiring to
>launder  and hide $1.75 million in drug profits for Colombian
>narcotics dealers by routing the cash through the bank accounts of a
>synagogue and a yeshiva in Brooklyn. 
>
>The bizarre case, federal prosecutors in Brooklyn said, brought
>together a collection of strange bedfellows -- five New York
>representatives of Colombian drug traffickers, three go-betweens who
>purportedly transported cash in suitcase quantities, and four men with
>ties to a close-knit Jewish community. 
>
> At one point, the officials charged, the rabbis ran tens of millions
>of dollars in drug profits through the bank accounts of a relatively
>modest Borough Park synagogue and provided nearly $3.5 million from
>American and Swiss accounts for the purchase of an aircraft for the
>Colombian drug lords. 
>
>"Money launderers are the indispensable partners of major drug
>traffickers, and the  cynical act of using religious institutions to
>conceal drug proceeds is particularly reprehensible," said Zachary
>Carter, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of New York, in
>announcing the charges. 
>
>Seven defendants, including Rabbi Mahir Reiss, 47, of 3543 Bedford
>Ave., and Rabbi Bernard Grunfeld, 64, of 1417 46th St., both in
>Brooklyn, were arrested Monday and were arraigned late in the day
>before U.S. Magistrate Judge Roanne L. Mann, charged with conspiracy
>to launder money. Two suspects, Grunfeld and Israel Knobloch, 24, of
>5200 15th Ave., Brooklyn, also were charged with conspiring to avoid
>federal cash-transaction reporting requirements. 
>
>Six defendants were held without bail, and one, Abraham Reiss, 48, of
>320 Riverside Drive in Manhattan, a brother of Mahir Reiss, was
>released on $750,000 bail. Three other men named in the federal
>complaint were listed as fugitives, and two more were being held in
>custody elsewhere in New York in other cases, according to Lee Dunst,
>the assistant federal attorney prosecuting the case. 
>
>Unveiling a three-year undercover investigation that used
>court-authorize wiretaps and other surveillance, the federal complaint
>charged that the two rabbis and Abraham Reiss laundered $750,000 by
>taking cash from go-betweens, depositing it in the bank accounts of a
>synagogue-based organization and, after subtracting commissions,
>writing checks to drug traffickers. 
>
>Investigators said the bank accounts used in the scheme, held in the
>name of Chaim Shel Shulem, which shares quarters with Congregation
>Eitz Chaim at 1577 48th St. in Borough Park, held deposits of more
>than $19 million during the 10-month period when the laundering
>transactions occurred, between August 1995 and May 1996. 
>
>Grunfeld, listed as the president of Chaim Shel Shulem, was said to
>have written all the checks that went to the drug traffickers. He and
>Knobloch were also accused of concealing the movement of $1 million in
>drug money by making 95 deposits and withdrawals of just under $10,000
>-- the amount that triggers a government cash-transaction reporting
>requirement -- through the bank accounts of Congregation Eitz Chaim
>and Bobover Yeshiva, at the same location. 
>
>The defendants made no statements in court Monday. While Grunfeld was
>listed by prosecutors as the head of Chaim Shel Shulem, dozens of
>people at Congregation Eitz Chaim late Monday declined to say anything
>about him or the case. Some seemed not to recognize the name Chaim
>Shel Shulem. 
>
>The synagogue and yeshiva are in a five-story building with a brick
>front and a small awning imprinted with the institution's name in
>Hebrew. The only words in English on the facade call it "the Katz
>Family of Mexico Building." 
>
>In a ground-floor, two-room school lined with books, about 100 people
>were studying at tables. A man who appeared to be in charge, but who
>would not give his name, said he knew nothing about the two rabbis
>named in the federal complaint. 
>
>The federal investigation -- an undertaking of the U.S. Attorney's
>Office, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Internal Revenue Service
>-- began in 1994, when agents detected a pattern of cash deposits and
>withdrawals intended to circumvent the government's reporting rules in
>various bank accounts held in the name of the synagogue and yeshiva,
>officials said. 
>
>With court-authorized telephone wiretaps, surveillance and other
>techniques, the investigators said they uncovered a conspiracy in
>which Grunfeld and Knobloch eventually made more than $1 million in
>deposits and withdrawals -- transactions, they said, that let the
>conspirators move large sums of illicit drug profits. 
>
>Later, in 1995 and 1996, investigators said, the 12 men named in
>Monday's complaint conducted a full money-laundering operation. Five
>of them -- Lisandro Montes De Oca, 29; Francisco Gil, 30; Estenio
>Rodriguez, 30; Juan Suarez, 39, and Alvaro Duque, 36 --were said to
>have brought in large sums that Colombian drug dealers wanted to
>launder. 
>
>The money was given to three men described as intermediaries -- Jack
>Pinski, 35, a Colombian who is a fugitive, and Roberto Buendia, 40,
>and Fabio Arana, both of Medford, N.Y. They were said to have counted
>and stashed the money at an apartment at  243 West 75th St. 
>
>There, prosecutors said, Abraham Reiss picked up the money. It was
>later deposited in various accounts held in the name of Chaim Shel
>Shulem.
>
>Grunfeld, the organization's president, signed checks that were made
>out to "entities in accordance with drug traffickers' instructions,"
>the federal complaint said. 
>
>Those instructions were communicated through Rabbi Reiss, who had no
>formal connections to Chaim Shel Shulem, investigators said.
>Commissions of 13 percent to 15 percent were deducted from the
>laundered money and divided among the intermediaries. 
>
>Prosecutors said they did not know how members of a deeply religious
>community came  into contact with professional money launderers and
>drug traffickers. But they charged that in 1994, Rabbis Reiss and
>Grunfeld, and Abraham Reiss arranged $3.4 million in financing to buy
>a Beech Super King aircraft, a type commonly used by drug smugglers.
>================================================================================
>The Campaign for Radical Truth in History: http://www.hoffman-info.com
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                           News Bureau and Archives Online



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On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 20:23:16 GMT, gaygoyken@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 02:44:25 GMT, john_davis1@spamfree.juno.com (Doc
>Tavish II) wrote:
>
>>Well I'll declare; another EDU web site and it has material on
>>Communists and who they were!
>>
>>Look:
>>
>>Originally named Lev Davidovich Bronstein, Trotsky was born on
>>November 7, 1879, in Kherson Province in Ukraine, the son of Russified
>>Jews. He was educated in Odessa and in Mykolayiv and was a star pupil
>>with enormous intellectual capabilities.
>>
>>Trotsky's political involvement began in 1896 in a circle of Mykolayiv
>>Populists, but he soon converted to Marxism. After a brief  stay at
>>Odessa University, he returned to Mykolayiv in 1897 to organize the
>>Southern Russian Workers Union. For this he was arrested, jailed, and
>>exiled. He escaped from Siberian exile in 1902, fleeing to Europe and
>>adopting the pseudonym Trotsky. Abroad he joined Lenin, L. Martov,
>>Georgy Plekhanov, and other Russian Social-Democrats, who were
>>publishing Iskra (The Spark). By vitue of his flair for polemic
>>writing and oratorical brilliance, he quickly rose in the party.
>>
>>At the party's Second Congress in 1903 Trotsky opposed Lenin and the
>>Bolsheviks, siding with the Mensheviks. His characteristic
>>independence, however, kept him from cementing any organizational
>>ties. Alone of the major party leaders, he rushed back to Russia to be
>>an active participant in the 1905 Revolution, where he gained
>>practical experience as chairman of the Saint Petersburg Soviet of
>>Workers Deputies. Jailed in December 1905 and later exiled to Siberia,
>>Trotsky used his time to reconsider the paradoxes of revolution in
>>backward Russia. He synthesized his thoughts in two books, 1905 and
>>Results and Prospects.
>>
>>Escaping from Siberia in 1907, Trotsky spent the next decade defending
>>his ideas and engaging in émigré squabbling. The March Revolution of
>>1917 caught him by surprise in New York City, where he wrote for a
>>Russian newspaper. Trotsky reached Russia in May, quickly assumed
>>leadership of the independent left Social-Democratic Interdistrict
>>Group, and joined the Petrograd (as St. Petersburg was renamed)
>>Soviet. Within weeks, he had gained enormous popularity as the most
>>eloquent agitator of the Soviet left. In July, after being courted by
>>Lenin, he joined the Bolshevik party and was elected to its Central
>>Committee.
>>
>>As a Bolshevik, Trotsky was elected chairman of the Soviet in
>>September. He sided with Lenin on the need to overthrow the
>>provisional government and devoted all his energies to marshaling
>>support for the armed uprising of the Bolsheviks. With Lenin in
>>hiding, Trotsky was the general in charge, and he successfully
>>directed the masses of workers and soldiers in the November
>>revolution......
>>
>>Above found at:
>>http://www.idbsu.edu/surveyrc/Staff/jaynes/marxism/bios/trotsky.htm
>>
>>Let's review: Trotsky was a Jew actually named Bronstein, he was in
>>New York City for a while and he was elected chairman of the Soviet!
>>
>>Does this make sense now? Soviets were Jews?
>>
>>From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
>>Bantam  #13084-6  says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious
>>anti-Semitic prejudices  of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
>>and activating their accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
>>harnessed the violent  energies of these willing collaborates to round
>>up and kill Jews."
>>
>>I now ask: "How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
>>Soviets, if the Soviets weren't in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
>>was a Jewish  conceived and run totalitarian state! 
>>
>>>said!>
>>
>>Link to UK site on Russian Revolution:
>>
>>http://www.barnsdle.demon.co.uk/russ/rusrev.html
>>
>>Try also:
>>
>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/Archive/1930-HRR/
>>
>>More on Leo Bronstein (I mean Trotsky!)
>>Try:
>>http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/Other/Trotsky/
>>
>>which states:
>>
>>"Lev Davidovich Bronstein. Leader of the Russian Revolution. Architect
>>of the Red Army. Commissar of foreign affairs between 1917-1924."
>>Let's see ol' Bronstein was the Leader of the Revolution and the
>>Architect of the Red Army too!
>>
>>The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia stated:
>>
>>"Whatever the racial antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet
>>commissariats were largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in
>>the Communist movement was well understood in Russia. The White Armies
>>which opposed the Bolshevik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks as
>>common enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc.,  Vol. I, p. 336).
>>
>>Consider this:
>>
>>Among the Jews who remained in Russia, which then included Lithuania,
>>Ukraine (A History of Ukraine, Michael Hrushevsky, Yale University
>>Press, 1941, passim), and much of Poland, were the founders of the
>>Russian Bolshevik party.
>>
>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish workers in Poland
>>and Lithuania. . . They engaged in revolutionary activity upon a large
>>scale, and their energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol. III, pp
>>824-827).
>>
>>Look the United States Governmet has now at its Library of Congress
>>the Soviet Exhibit that I posted recently!
>>
>>Here is the link:
>>
>>http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Experimental/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>
>>You will run across this:
>>
>>Welcome to the Library of Congress's Soviet Archives exhibit. 
>>
>>I could not find, however, the exhibit in the Library of Congress'
>>Soviet Archives that Sunsite showed:
>>
>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/soviet.archive.html
>>
>>Once there try all "exhibits" but if you really want an eye-opener try
>>this exhibit:
>>
>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/expo/soviet.exhibit/jac.html
>>
>>You will see as an opener the following:
>>
>>"The Jewish Antifascist Committee (JAC) was formed in Kuibyshev in
>>April 1942. Two Polish Jewish socialists, Henryk Erlich and Viktor
>>Alter (both of whom were later secretly executed), may have proposed
>>the idea to Lavrenti Beria, the head of the NKVD. The organization was
>>meant to serve the interests of Soviet foreign policy and the Soviet
>>military through media propaganda -- as well as through personal
>>contacts with Jews abroad, especially in Britain and the United
>>States, designed to influence public opinion and enlist foreign
>>support for the Soviet war effort.
>>
>>The chairman of the JAC was Solomon Mikhoels, a famous actor and
>>director of the Moscow Yiddish State Theater. Shakne Epshtein, a
>>Yiddish journalist, was the secretary and editor of the JAC's
>>newspaper, Einikait (Unity). Other prominent JAC members were the
>>poet Itsik Feffer, a former member of the Bund (a Jewish socialist
>>movement that existed from 1897 to 1921 and supported the Mensheviks
>>[see below for more on the Bund]), the writer Il'ia Ehrenburg,
>>General Aaron Katz of the Stalin Military Academy, and Boris
>>Shimelovich, the chief surgeon of the Red Army, as well as some
>>non-Jews from the arts, sciences, and the military.
>>
>>A year after its establishment, the JAC was moved to Moscow and
>>became one of the most important centers of Jewish culture and
>>Yiddish literature until the German invasion. The JAC broadcast
>>pro-Soviet propaganda to foreign audiences several times a week,
>>telling them of the absence of anti-Semitism and of the great
>>anti-Nazi efforts being made by the Soviet military....."
>>
>>Footnote:
>>
>>The BUND:
>>
>>In 1897 was founded the Bund, the union of Jewish
>>workers in Poland and Lithuania. . . They engaged in
>>revolutionary activity upon a large scale, and their
>>energy made them the spearhead of the Party (Article
>>on "Communism" by Harold J. Laski, Encyc. Brit., Vol.
>>III, pp 824-827).
>>
>>In Russia and abroad in the late nineteenth century,
>>not only Bundists but other Khazar Jews had been
>>attracted to the writings of Karl Marx (1818-1883),
>>partly, it seems, because he was Jewish in origin.
>>"On both paternal and maternal sides Karl Marx was
>>descended from rabbinical families" (Univ. Jew.
>>Encyc., Vol.VII, p. 289).
>>
>>Under Nicholas II, there was no abatement of the
>>regulations designed, after the murder of Alexander II,
>>To curb the anti-government activities of Jews;
>>consequently, the " reaction to those excesses was
>>Jewish support of the Bolsheviks. . ."(Univ. Jew. Encyc.,
>>Vol. I, p. 286.) The way to such support was easy since
>>the predecessor organization of Russian Communism was the
>>Jewish "Bund." 
>>
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Maybe the JOG censored it.
>>
>>                Doc Tavish Reporting on the spot.
>>                I will find all credible sites
>>                that prove Communism was/is Jewish!
>>                Till the next installment!



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:55 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:54:25 GMT, vincent@dreamon.com wrote:
>
>>[From The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992 issue]
>>
>> "The Secret Files: How AIPAC Can Slander You By Stealth -- An
>>Insider's Expose"
>>
>>-or-
>>
>>"The Secret Section in Israel's U.S. Lobby That Stifles American
>>Debate"
>>
>> by Gregory D. Slabodkin
>>
>> 
>>During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in
>>the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were
>>ruined by false charges of "communism" and "treason," American Jewry
>>was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail
>>by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the
>>percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy's smear tactics was twice
>>that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed
>>resolutions condemning McCarthy's ruthless character assassination.
>>
>>Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the American Israel
>>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle
>>open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>Secretly Circulated Lists
>>
>>
>> To Conduct this "neo-McCarthyism," AIPAC operates a covert section
>>within its research department that monitors and keeps files on
>>politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish
>>liberals, and others it labels "anti-Israel."  AIPAC selects
>>information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the
>>"guilty," together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed
>>by their statements, often totally out of context.
>>
>>Just as McCarthy's permanent investigations subcommittee labeled
>>criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as "anti-
>>American" or "pro-Soviet," AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli
>>government policies "anti-Israel," "pro-Arab" or "pro-PLO."  Still
>>worse is the pro-Israel lobby's redefinition of "anti-Semitism" to
>>include any such criticism of Israel or its actions.
>>
>> To date, revelations about AIPAC's blacklisting and smear tactics
>>have barely scratched the surface of the pro-Israel lobby's secret
>>activities. Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his 1985 best-selling
>>book _They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
>>Israel's Lobby_, documented what he could see of that lobby's impact
>>on U.S. politics, defense, foreign and economic policies, as well as
>>academia and the media. However, as an insider who worked within
>>AIPAC's stealth section, I can confirm what Findley could only
>>surmise. That an organized blacklisting operation exists is a tragic
>>fact that no longer should be ignored.
>>
>> AIPAC's "opposition research" department traces its roots to I.L.
>>(Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC's weekly
>>_Near East Report_, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly
>>titled column, "The Monitor."  Besides monitoring, analyzing, and
>>responding to "anti-Israel" comment and activities in the United
>>States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC's "enemies."  In his final year
>>AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
>>
>> Kenen's memoirs, _Israel's Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in 
>>Washington_, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the
>>American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to
>>create a "truth squad."  Its purpose was to combat "pro-Arab
>>propaganda" and the emerging "Arab lobby," which Kenen believed to be
>>a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
>>
>> "While vigorously defending Israel's perceived interests, the
>>organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of
>>Jewish thought police," journalist Robert I. Friedman explains.
>>"Investigators -- sometimes overzealous Jewish college students,
>>sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies -- were
>>used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they
>>might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists,
>>politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and
>>writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other
>>professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of
>>anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The
>>intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish
>>community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind
>>would weaken the Jewish state."
>>
>> When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December
>>1974, the task of monitoring Israel's "enemies" was left to the
>>department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained
>>ever since.
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Israel's "Enemies"
>>
>>
>>Morris Amitay, Kenen's successor as AIPAC executive director, did not 
>>follow Kenen's practice of countering "pro-Arab propaganda" with
>>polished editorials in the _Near East Report_.  Amitay was more
>>concerned with developing AIPAC into a first-rate lobbying
>>organization, as demonstrated by the fact that AIPAC grew dramatically
>>during his six-year reign. These also were key years in the growth of
>>intelligence gathering.
>>
>>Some of the growth resulted from the challenge presented by a small, 
>>dovish, Jewish organization of the late 1970s known as Breira.
>>"Breira," the Hebrew word for "alternative," was organized by a tiny
>>group of American Jewish rabbis, professors and other activists from
>>the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 1960s.
>>
>>Recognizing that the U.S. Jewish community was not monolithic on the
>>subject of Israel, Breira encouraged American Jews to question
>>Israel's policies in the occupied territories after the 1967 Six-Day
>>War and to engage in an open and frank debate on U.S. foreign policy
>>in the Middle East. Many Breira positions reflected those of the Peace
>>Now movement in Israel.
>>
>>However, American Jewish organizations would not tolerate in the U.S. 
>>the dissent that characterized political debate in Israel. Instead
>>AIPAC and other Jewish organizations set out to silence Breira by
>>discrediting its members. Although these Jewish peaceniks were
>>motivated by love and concern for Israel, they were smeared as "anti-
>>Israel," "pro-PLO," and "self-hating Jews."
>>
>>Kenen, still serving as acting editor of AIPAC's _Near East Report_, 
>>charged that Breira "undermined U.S. support for Israel."  Only one
>>prominent Jewish leader defended Breira. He was Rabbi Alexander
>>Schindler, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
>>who called the attack on Breira a "witch hunt."  He was ignored,
>>however, and the swift and successful campaign to snuff out Breira set
>>the "rules" for dissent in the American Jewish community, as well as
>>who would be the "enforcer" of these "rules."
>>
>>As Edward Tivnan observed in his book, _The Lobby: Jewish Political 
>>Power and American Foreign Policy_: "By attacking Breira, Jewish
>>leaders had turned over much of their power to AIPAC, Israel's most
>>loyal agent in the U.S. and a proved enemy of dissent from Israeli
>>policies, among Jews as well as gentiles."
>>
>>In the late 1970s and early 1980s, AIPAC published an annual "Who's
>>Who" of "anti-Israel organizations and personalities, providing
>>important background information for AIPAC members who must deal with
>>them in the political arena."  AIPAC photocopied these "enemies lists"
>>to meet increasing requests by its members for materials on
>>"anti-Israel" forces.
>>
>>
>>AIPAC's "War for Washington"
>>
>>
>>Thomas Dine, a former legislative assistant to Senator Ted Kennedy,
>>who replaced Amitay in 1980 as AIPAC executive director, expanded
>>AIPAC's opposition research. This was part of Dine's "War for
>>Washington," inspired by what he portrayed as the dramatic growth of
>>"anti-Israel" organizations in the nation's capital. AIPAC was
>>particularly worried about the Arab-American community, just beginning
>>to organize.
>>
>>In August 1982, AIPAC hired Amy Goott as its first full-time employee
>>to monitor Israel's "enemies."  Goott was recruited from the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, where she had similar duties.
>>In a speech at the 1983 AIPAC Policy Conference, Goott called on AIPAC
>>members to send useful information to her in Washington.
>>
>>In June 1983, AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_, 
>>coauthored by Goott. As Dine explained in the handbook's preface, its
>>purpose was to update the activities of "anti-Israel" organizations
>>and individuals, and to provide a "more complete and convenient
>>analysis of this activity" to "meet the needs of AIPAC members."  Yet,
>>despite its glossy cover and carefully worded and seemingly objective
>>descriptions, _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_ was nothing more than
>>a blacklist. By lumping them together, it sought to categorize critics
>>of all kinds as "enemies" of Israel. The final chapter, "A Directory
>>of the Actors," profiled 21 organizations and 38 individuals to be
>>monitored and discredited whenever possible.
>>
>>At about the same time that AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit
>>
>>Israel_, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith published its own 
>>document entitled _Pro-Arab Propaganda in America: Vehicles and
>>Voices_. Overlaps in the texts and the timing reflect Ms. Goott's
>>employment by both organizations during the period both publications
>>were in preparation.
>>
>>"The primary accusation leveled against the groups and individuals 
>>listed in the B'nai B'rith and AIPAC books is that they are
>>'pro-Palestinian' or 'pro-PLO,'" Cheryl Rubenberg writes in her book,
>>_Israel and the American National Interest_.  "Pro-Israeli groups have
>>succeeded in associating the words 'Palestinian' and 'PLO' with
>>terrorism in the minds of Americans; then with techniques reminiscent
>>of the McCarthy era, they smear their opposition with the label
>>'pro-PLO.'"
>>
>>The smear campaign did not go totally unchallenged within the U.S. 
>>Jewish community. In December 1983, _New York Times_ columnist Anthony
>>Lewis criticized AIPAC's tactics, particularly the inclusion in its
>>"enemies list" of Walid Khalidi, a Palestinian intellectual living in
>>Boston, as does Lewis.
>>
>>Khalidi supports a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. In
>>
>>its handbook, however, AIPAC quoted selectively from one of his
>>articles to depict him as an extremist calling for the destruction of
>>Israel.
>>
>>"Joe McCarthy could not have produced a nastier distortion" of
>>Khalidi's views, Lewis wrote. He suggested that Israel's lobby should
>>welcome Palestinian moderation instead of trying to "smear" it.
>> 
>>In November 1984, the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the 
>>largest organization of Middle East educators in the United States,
>>unanimously condemned AIPAC and ADL blacklisting. MESA called on both 
>>national Jewish organizations to "disavow and refrain from such
>>activities" as soliciting "unbalanced information on students, faculty
>>and other parties at American campuses" and "listing factually
>>inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions that defame specific
>>students, teachers and researchers as 'pro-Arab propagandists,' who
>>'use their anti-Zionism as merely a guise for their deeply felt
>>anti-Semitism.'"
>>
>>When it released the first edition of _The Campaign to Discredit
>>Israel_ in 1983, AIPAC had announced plans to publish updated versions
>>annually. 
>>
>>However, due to the negative publicity it engendered, the first
>>edition was also the last. Instead, AIPAC continued its monitoring of
>>"anti-Israel" activities, but disseminated the results secretly.
>>
>>
>> Going Underground
>> 
>>
>>AIPAC's decision to take its opposition research underground coincided
>>
>>with the hiring in the mid-1980s of Michael Lewis and Anna Gottlieb.
>>Gottlieb joined AIPAC after a stint at the Justice Department's Office
>>of Special Investigations (OSI). Lewis came to AIPAC from the
>>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank closely
>>associated with the pro-Israel lobby.  
>>
>>He is the son of Princeton University "orientalist" Bernard Lewis,
>>whose writings have been criticized in the Middle East for denigrating
>>Islam as a religion and Arabs as a people.
>>
>>Michael Lewis, the present head of AIPAC's stealth section,
>>innocuously named Policy Analysis, describes it as a "clearing-house"
>>for information on anti-Israel organizations and activists to provide
>>a "resource, and fulfill a need, unreplicated anywhere else."  He has
>>provided negative information both to rival politicians and to
>>journalists about prominent individuals whom 
>>
>>
>>AIPAC considers to be "anti-Israel."
>>
>>
>>In one case Lewis provided information that became the basis of a
>>racist brochure mailed to voters in California's 44th congressional
>>district by candidate Randy "Duke" Cunningham's campaign in the spring
>>of 1990. The brochure accused former U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Joseph
>>Ghougassian, Cunningham's Republican primary election opponent, of
>>being "bank-rolled by Arab oil interests."  The brochure, featuring a
>>photo of Ghougassian with a drawing of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi,
>>asked: "We don't need a congressman bought and paid for by these
>>special interests.  Do we?"
>>
>>What made this brochure particularly offensive was the fact that 
>>Cunningham's campaign listed contributors to Ghougassian with Arabic
>>sounding last names, all of whom were in fact U.S. citizens, and
>>included the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA).
>>Ghougassian, an Egyptian-born Armenian and naturalized U.S. citizen,
>>lost the primary race against Cunningham who, with AIPAC's support,
>>went on to win a seat in the 102nd Congress.
>>
>>Lewis reports that AIPAC also "provided Steve Emerson with information
>>
>>on Alexander Cockburn."  That followed a heated exchange between 
>>Israel-apologist Emerson and frequent critic of Israel Cockburn on the
>>
>>editorial page of _The Wall Street Journal_ in May 1990. Emerson
>>attacked Cockburn for his "financial agenda."
>>
>>"It ought to be remembered," Emerson wrote, "that several years ago
>>Mr. Cockburn secretly took $10,000 from an organization that had been
>>funded primarily by the governments of Iraq and Libya and by a bank
>>known as the PLO's bank."
>>
>>Emerson's charge was based on a story which had appeared in a weekly 
>>alternative newspaper, _The Boston Phoenix_, on Jan. 10, 1984.  _The
>>Phoenix_ reported that Cockburn received in 1982 a $10,000 grant from
>>the now defunct Institute of Arab Studies to write a book on the
>>Israeli invasion of Lebanon and, because Cockburn did not inform them,
>>editors of the _Village Voice_ "indefinitely suspended" him due to
>>"appearance of conflict [of interest] and nondisclosure."
>>
>>Not surprisingly, AIPAC was the source of the original _Phoenix_ story
>>
>>as well as Emerson's attack based on it in _The Wall Street Journal_.
>>Alan Lupo, _The Boston Phoenix_ reporter who broke the story back in
>>1984, said AIPAC had told him the Institute for Arab Studies was
>>"linked to a $100 million campaign to sway U.S. policy against
>>Israel."  In fact, the Institute had U.S. tax-exempt status and listed
>>individual contributors within the United States until it closed down
>>in 1983 due to a lack of funds.
>>
>>Deploring the AIPAC-generated "misinformation," editor David 
>>Schneiderman of the _Village Voice_ wrote on Jan. 24, 1984: "What
>>Cockburn did not do was take money from an 'Arab propaganda group.'
>>Moreover he was not 'bought'--he clearly received the grant because of
>>views he already firmly held. The _Phoenix_ offered no evidence that
>>the Institute [of Arab Studies] is anything more than what it purports
>>to be. And despite the reporter's clumsy attempt to say so, Arab does
>>not always equal Palestinian which does not always equal terrorist.
>>His unquestioned adoption of claims by the Anti-Defamation League and
>>the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, hardly disinterested
>>parties, is poor journalism."
>>
>>Even _The Wall Street Journal_, a newspaper with a demonstrated 
>>pro-Israel editorial bias, questioned the AIPAC-originated charges. In
>>a Jan. 13, 1984 editorial, _WSJ_ editor Robert Bartley wrote: "Among
>>all the things I can imagine Alex doing, this one seems fairly
>>innocuous... On all this we have no opinion, except that even Arabs
>>should enjoy freedom of speech."
>>
>> _The Wall Street Journal_ continued to run Cockburn's monthly column 
>>opposite the editorial page. Said the _Journal_, tongue only partly in
>>cheek, "We hired him because of his biases, which we're sure are
>>totally incorruptible."
>>
>>In both of the cases cited, AIPAC attempted to discredit critics of 
>>Israel not by refuting their arguments, but by trying to tie them to
>>Arab money. Making an Arab connection can damage the victim's
>>reputation, the pro-Israel lobby believes, so long as it can encourage
>>a mindset in the United States that anything Arab-related is tainted.
>>
>>Ironically, it is precisely the same kind of racist stereotype to
>>which the Jewish community is so sensitive, particularly the charge
>>that Jews exert tremendous influence through the use of their money.
>>Jewish organizations can and do talk about the power of "Arab money"
>>and "petro-dollars," yet are quick to decry as anti-Semitic similar
>>innuendo regarding Jewish financing.
>>
>>In another case, AIPAC executive director Dine asked Lewis to analyze 
>>the positions of Brookings Institution Middle East specialist Judith
>>Kipper. In an Aug. 17, 1990 memo, Lewis responded: "For the most part,
>>Kipper is extremely skillful in her writings and statements to avoid
>>being pinned down as 'anti-Israel.'  She often achieves her goals by
>>presenting the views of 'moderate Israelis' to state her case."
>>
>>In _The New Republic_, and ardently pro-Israel magazine, writer David 
>>Segal put a more positive spin on Kipper's views in its March 25, 1991
>>issue: 
>>
>>"Her analysis throughout the Gulf crisis said little about the
>>politics of the Middle East, but a great deal about the politics of
>>Judith Kipper. It's not that she's anti-Israel -- her criticism would
>>put her not far from the center of the Israeli Labor Party -- or that
>>she is pro-Arab. Rather, her politics stem from an unwavering
>>quasi-religious faith in the power of dialogue."
>>
>>There is no greater admission of guilt and wrongdoing than AIPAC's 
>>strenuous attempts to conceal its blacklisting activities. Senior
>>AIPAC officials fear that public outrage might follow disclosure of
>>their covert activities. The name change from "Opposition Research" to
>>"Policy Analysis" was designed to conceal AIPAC's surveillance,
>>monitoring, and intelligence-gathering operations. In an Aug 7, 1990
>>internal memorandum to Steve Rosen, AIPAC Foreign Policy Issues
>>director, Lewis boasted: 
>>
>>"There is no question that we exert a policy impact, but working
>>behind the scenes and taking care not to leave fingerprints, that
>>impact is not always traceable to us."
>>
>>As part of its intelligence-gathering operation, Policy Analysis has 
>>created a fictional person and a bogus company to infiltrate opposing 
>>organizations by paying membership dues or making donations to them.
>>This AIPAC creation is "Paul Hunt" of "Paul Hunt & Associates."  AIPAC
>>rents a post office box on Capitol Hill for Mr. Hunt's mail, and has
>>installed a separate Paul Hunt telephone line in the AIPAC office.
>>"Paul Hunt" has even been listed as a donor to the _Washington Report
>>on Middle East Affairs_. 
>>
>>Secret _Activities_
>>
>>Nowhere is secrecy more meticulously applied than to the production
>>and distribution of _Activities_, the weekly AIPAC publication which
>>disseminates information on individuals and organizations critical of
>>Israel or Israeli policies. Although _Activities_ is the most visible
>>product of its Policy Analysis section, AIPAC takes great pains to
>>hide its connection with _Activities_, in order to avoid the
>>controversy that arose over its blacklisting of "enemies" in its 1983
>>publication of _The Campaign to 
>>
>>
>>Discredit Israel_.
>>
>>
>> _Activities_' select and tightly controlled recipients are encouraged
>>to use the material as they see fit, "subject only to the provision
>>that AIPAC not be attributed as its source."  _Activities_ is
>>distributed to AIPAC's Washington and regional staff, its officers,
>>the major Jewish organizational leaders, Jewish Federations and
>>Community Relations Councils around the nation, pro-Israel activists
>>and academics.
>>
>>It also goes to the Israeli Embassy in Washington and to other
>>Israelis both in the U.S. and in Israel. AIPAC employees are not
>>permitted to take _Activities_ out of the office and may not mention
>>the existence of _Activities_ outside AIPAC's walls. A disquieting
>>breach of security was revealed at the 1990 national convention of the
>>American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) when that
>>organization's president, Abdeen Jabara, referred casually to having
>>received an AIPAC study entitled 
>>
>>
>>_Activities_.
>>
>>
>>Assessing the problem, Lewis wrote in an April 2, 1990 memorandum to 
>>Dine: "_Activities_ is distributed to some 400+ people, so it will
>>probably be impossible to trace the source of this leak. There is
>>nothing in _Activities_ which points to who is its originator and it
>>is sent out in plain envelopes, so the material obviously did not just
>>accidentally get passed on to ADC. This is the first time that any of
>>these groups have made any reference to their being in receipt of
>>_Activities_."
>>
>>Information contained in _Activities_ has been used by the National 
>>Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC), American Jewish 
>>Congress (AJC), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Committee for
>>Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), National Jewish
>>Coalition (NJC), and the Jewish Institute for National Security
>>Affairs (JINSA).
>>
>>According to Lewis: "Because _Activities_ is read by many of the major
>>
>>Jewish and pro-Israel organizational players, _Activities_ ensures
>>that there is a cognizance of the activities of the anti-Israel forces
>>both in Washington and the grassroots and the issues on which they are
>>focusing.
>>
>>Ultimately, of all the information disseminated from AIPAC,
>>_Activities_ may well be the most eagerly sought, read and used to
>>good advantage."
>>
>>One of the ways that this information was "used to good advantage" was
>>
>>in a 1990 American Jewish Congress fund-raising letter. It accused
>>Executive Director James Zogby of the Arab American Institute of "the
>>new anti-Semitism" (criticism of Israeli policies) and compared him
>>with white supremacist David Duke and black nationalist Rev. Louis
>>Farrakhan because Zogby criticized pro-Israel political action
>>committees. No sources were given in the letter for quotations
>>attributed to Zogby.
>>
>>When Zogby protested, AJC Executive Director Henry Siegman, whose name
>>
>>appeared at the bottom of the letter, denied prior knowledge of the
>>mailing and blamed overzealous fund-raisers for its wording.
>>_Washington Post_ columnist Richard Cohen wrote in an Oct. 3, 1990,
>>column, "There's no doubt in my mind that the American Jewish
>>Congress' letter writers went off half-cocked -- and without Siegman's
>>knowledge. "It might surprise Cohen to know that Siegman, not AJC's
>>fund-raisers, is one of the select recipients of AIPAC's _Activities_,
>>from which every one of the quotes attributed to Zogby had been taken.
>>
>>Nor, after publication of Cohen's article, was it some unnamed "letter
>>
>>writer" but Siegman, personally, who contacted AIPAC's Michael Lewis
>>for help in trying to build a case that Zogby was indeed an
>>"anti-Semite."  Lewis faxed an AIPAC "living memo" of Zogby's
>>statements, actions and affiliations to Siegman in New York.
>>
>>"I hope this information is of help," Lewis wrote on the cover sheet. 
>>
>>"The compilation as such should not be sent to Richard Cohen, and the 
>>information should not be attributed to AIPAC."
>>
>>Writing in the _Village Voice_ on Jan. 22, 1991, Nat Hentoff argued
>>that the AJC letter had "resurrected the spirit of Joe McCarthy."
>>Hentoff also quoted Zogby's reaction to his own personal ordeal with
>>neo-McCarthyism: 
>>
>>"When the ADL and AIPAC falsely and maliciously labeled me a
>>'terrorist member of the PLO' speaking engagements were canceled,
>>political candidates refused to associate with me, and my family and I
>>were harassed and threatened with violence. Now, I know that ADL and
>>AIPAC were not involved in the harassment or the violence -- but
>>vilification and scurrilous attacks of the sort they indulged in can
>>create the atmosphere in which ugly actions can occur."
>>
>>Siegman never apologized to Zogby for the actions of his "overzealous 
>>fund-raisers."
>>
>>
>> Disingenuous Disclaiming
>>
>>
>>AIPAC is careful never to advocate specific actions to be taken
>>against individuals and organizations named in _Activities_. In fact,
>>it puts on the front cover of every edition the disingenuous
>>disclaimer that "the inclusion of material in _Activities_ implies
>>neither endorsement nor criticism of any group."  By distributing
>>derogatory allegations about critics of Israel, however, AIPAC in
>>effect tells pro-Israel activists, "Here are the people who are your
>>enemies -- now go out and do something about it!"
>>
>>AIPAC's Policy Analysis section works closely with its college liaison
>>department, the Political Leadership Development Program (PLDP). When
>>AIPAC is informed of an upcoming speech by an "anti-Israel"
>>personality, summaries of that person's standard arguments,
>>question-and-answer style, and a list of possibly damaging quotations
>>are sent to pro-Israel activists at the host institution, who also are
>>asked to send tapes or accounts of the speech back to AIPAC. AIPAC
>>also draws up questions for "plants" in the audience, and suggests
>>other strategies suited to the particular venue.
>>
>>Typical of this kind of preparation was a confidential memo sent in
>>1985 to AIPAC opposition researcher Anna Gottlieb by AIPAC regional
>>director Murray Wood in Los Angeles. For an October 20th "Conference
>>on Peace With Justice in the Middle East" at Mira Costa College,
>>arrangements were made to "monitor the conference...have a corps of
>>'our' people in the audience, well-trained and briefed...call a
>>meeting with the local ADL and American Jewish Committee directors to
>>develop a coordinated strategy...(and provide) background material" on
>>the speakers.
>>
>>Human rights activist Noam Chomsky, a linguistics professor at 
>>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, described the ADL file compiled
>>on him: "It's just like an FBI file -- 150 pages of material, clips
>>from newspapers and inter-office memos saying I was going to show up
>>at this or that place, surveillance of talks I have given,
>>characterization of what was said in the talks [often falsified]. All
>>this material goes into a central source. Then when I give a talk
>>somewhere, my file will be given to the appropriate local group, who
>>will be able to dig through it, and come up with statements that I
>>allegedly made at some time during the last 15 years to be publicized
>>in unsigned pamphlets."
>>
>>Under lock and key in the office of Michael Lewis are literally
>>hundreds and hundreds of such files on people and organizations that
>>AIPAC deems to be "anti-Israel."  Among politicians upon whom such
>>files exist are former Bush administration White House Chief of Staff
>>John Sununu, former Reagan administration secretaries of defense
>>Caspar Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, former President Jimmy Carter
>>and former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, Senate
>>Minority Leader Robert Dole, Republican Senate John Chafee, House
>>Majority Whip David Bonior, and Democratic Representatives John
>>Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Mary Rose Oakar, Nick Joe
>>Rahall, James Traficant and many others.
>>
>> The largest file that AIPAC keeps on any single person is that of 
>>District of Columbia "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson. While AIPAC's 
>>surveillance and monitoring is mostly confined to an individual's 
>>professional statements and activities, in Jackson's case, AIPAC was
>>caught venturing into personal innuendo. As revealed by CBS' "60
>>Minutes," an internal AIPAC memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1987 proposed
>>generating media interest in allegations that Jackson had extramarital
>>affairs.
>>
>>AIPAC also maintains files on what it characterizes as "anti-Israel" 
>>journalists to stifle open media discussion on the Middle East. AIPAC 
>>maintains files on Peter Jennings, Mike Wallace, Patrick Buchanan,
>>Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, Thomas Friedman, Anthony Lewis,
>>Richard Cohen, Carl Rowan, Alexander Cockburn and Joseph Sobran, among
>>others.
>>
>>Reminiscent of Senator Joe McCarthy's scouring of Hollywood for 
>>"communists," and their "fellow travelers" in the entertainment
>>industry, AIPAC also has opened files on Ed Asner, Woody Allen,
>>Richard Dreyfus, Vanessa Redgrave, Casey Kasem, Mike Farrell, Barbra
>>Streisand, Michael Moore, Peter Yarrow, and many more.
>>
>> 
>>"Have You No Shame?"
>>
>>
>> In the spring of 1954, a nationwide audience watching the televised
>>Army-McCarthy hearings sat transfixed as Boston attorney Joseph Welch
>>stood to demand of Senator McCarthy, "Sir, have you no shame?"  Only
>>after that dramatic confrontation, pictured over and over as
>>intimidated journalists and politicians finally dared to speak out,
>>did the shadow of "McCarthyism" slowly recede from American public
>>life.
>> 
>>Today, some Jewish organizations finally are asking that same question
>>of the Israel lobby. Two years ago, several local Jewish community
>>relations organizations issued a statement condemning an attack by the
>>hard-line Americans For A Safe Israel (AFSI) against the New Israel
>>Fund (NIF).
>> 
>>This local initiative inspired a resolution adopted nationally by the
>>National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC)
>>condemning the "McCarthy-like" tactics used by some Jewish
>>organizations. The resolution proposed guidelines for dealing with
>>"the right of dissent" on Israeli policies, and emphasized the
>>importance of open and thoughtful exchange in an atmosphere of "mutual
>>tolerance and civility."  However, while NJCRAC denounced such fringe
>>groups as AFSI, it failed to address the problem of neo-McCarthyism
>>within more mainstream Jewish organizations.
>>
>>AIPAC and ADL must be held accountable by the organized American
>>Jewish community for their blacklisting and smear tactics and for the
>>climate of hatred and repression they have created. Let American
>>Jewish organizations demand that AIPAC stop circulation of its
>>blacklists and destroy the files it keeps on the "enemies of Israel."
>>
>>Only if Americans refuse to be silenced by false charges of hatred and
>>racism can there be free and open debate on U.S. policy in the Middle
>>East.  
>>
>>And only through such debate will the U.S. be able to contribute
>>toward a lasting solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
>>
>>[Gregory D. Slabodkin, a free-lance writer in Washington, DC, was an
>>opposition researcher for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee
>>(AIPAC) in 1990 and 1991.]
>>
>>Call the American Educational Trust TOLL-FREE at 1-800-368-5788 or
>>write: American Educational Trust P.O. Box 53062 Washington, DC 20009
>>
>> NOTE: They may still be giving out free sample copies of _The
>>Washington Report on Middle East Affairs_.  Ask for one!   * END
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.natall.com
>>http://www.natvan.com
>>
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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 13:33:31 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:33:18 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:01:35 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>in support of his jew faggot lovers:
>>On 1 Jul 1998 20:49:49 GMT, billy_bob@throckmorton.com (Billy Bob
>>Throckmorton) wrote:
>>>In article , ijc@global.plantation.org 
>>>says...
>>>>On 1 Jul 1998 12:17:04 GMT, Doc Tavish, hiding behind 
>>> wrote:

>>>>>How many Jews have you ever seen denounce this filthy 
>>>>>lifestyle? See what I mean!?

>>>>ROTFL!!!  Why should we denounce it? 

>>>So you do approve what G-d has condemned? Very interesting indeed. It shows 
>>>why Jews have been vomited out of all the lands they have infested if one 
>>>is to accept the Torah!
 
>>>>It's part of the plan to destroy the filthy, inferior ary*n race!  
>>>>Encouraging ary*n homosexuality (pretty easy to do, since they're 
>>>>already so prone to it) helps keep the white birth rate down. 

>>>So you are confessing now that Jews aren't white also? 

>>>>Every little bit helps...

>>>Your simple admission tells all that homosexuality comes 
>>>from Jews! In my studies of the Jew I have learned that the Law
>>>given to Moses was for Jews only and not for the people of the 
>>>nations or the Goy.

>>>See:  http://x4.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=325176411
>>>and
>>>http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=364072939
>>>Subject:      The Noachide Laws

>>>What does G-d require from non-Jews?
>>>--------------------------------------------------------------

>>>Our sages teach us that G-d gave seven laws or commandments that are
>>>binding on all humanity.  The first six of these laws were given to
>>>Adam.  Because the last of these seven commandments was given to Noah
>>>and his sons, the seven laws are collectively referred to as "the
>>>Noachide Laws", or "the Commandments of Noah's Sons".

>>>The Noachide Laws are:

>>>1.  Not to worship idols;
>>>2.  Not to curse G-d;
>>>3.  To establish courts of justice (some say, not to pervert justice);
>>>4.  Not to murder;
>>>5.  Not to commit adultery or incest;
>>>6.  Not to steal;
>>>7.  Not to eat flesh from a living animal.

>>>The Oral Law (the Talmud) teaches clearly that whoever obeys these
>>>seven commandments has a portion in the world to come.  

>>> Abraham was the first person in history to publicly proclaim the
>>>Noachide Laws to the masses, although there certainly were righteous
>>>persons before Abraham who knew these commandments and practiced them
>>>(Noah himself, to name just one).

>>>The Torah was given exclusively to the Jews, along with the
>>>responsibility to inform the world of the universal commandments.
>>>		-----------END------------

>>>I guess this is why homosexual acts were mentioned in your Torah! It 
>>>appears you Jew boys liked buggering each other up the ass thousands of 
>>>years ago. If this weren't true then why would
>>>G-d have told Moses (as depicted in the Jewish Torah):

>>>http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/vtx/chumash

>>>Acharey Mot, Leviticus Chapter 18  

>>>18 : 22 Do not lie with a male as you would with a woman, since this
>>>is a disgusting perversion. 
>>>18 : 23 Do not perform any sexual act with an animal, since it will
>>>defile you. A woman shall [likewise] not give herself to an animal and
>>>allow it to mate with her. This is an utterly detestable perversion. 
>>>18 : 24 Do not let yourselves be defiled by any of these acts. It was
>>>as a result of them that the nations that I am driving away before you
>>>became defiled. 
>>>18 : 25 The land became defiled, and when I directed My providence at
>>>the sin committed there, the land vomited out its inhabitants. 
>>>18 : 26 You, [however,] must keep My decrees and laws, and not become
>>>involved in any of these disgusting perversions - neither the native
>>>born nor any foreigner who settles among you. 
>>>18 : 27 The people who lived in the land before you did all these
>>>disgusting perversions and defiled the land. 
>>>18 : 28 But [you shall not cause] the land to vomit you out when you
>>>defile it, as it vomited out the nation that was there before you. 

>>>The same Torah also says:
>>>Chumash References
>>>Kedoshim, Leviticus Chapter 20 

>>>20 : 7 You must sanctify yourselves and be holy, for I am God your
>>>Lord. 
>>>20 : 8 Safeguard My decrees and keep them, since I am God [and] I am
>>>making you holy. 
>>>20 : 9 Any person who curses his father or mother shall therefore be
>>>put to death. Since he has cursed his father or mother, he shall be
>>>stoned to death. 
>>>20 : 10 If a man commits adultery with a married woman, [and] she is
>>>the wife of a fellow [Israelite], both the adulterer and adulteress
>>>shall be put to death. 
>>>20 : 11 If a man has intercourse with his father's wife, he has
>>>committed a sexual offense against his father. Therefore, both of them
>>>shall be put to death by stoning. 
>>>20 : 12 If a man has intercourse with his daughter-in-law, both of
>>>them shall be put to death. Since they have committed an utterly
>>>detestable perversion, they shall be stoned to death. 
>>>20 : 13 If a man has intercourse with another man in the same manner
>>>as with a woman, both of them have committed a disgusting perversion.
>>>They shall be put to death by stoning. 

>>>>BTW, for information on rampant homosexuality amongst your
>>>>ary*n "heroes:" see "The Pink Swatstika:"

>>>>         http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/

>>>I could care less but Jeffrey Georg Brown may be interested.
>>>I hope and pray that America "vomits" out its filth soon as well!
>>>You all will not be missed!

>>>			Billy Bob

>>>>Bob Alpert * balpert "at" netaxs.com * Author of the Jewish Conspiracy 
>>sven88




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On Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:19:49 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:

>>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:26:44 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>On 13 Sep 1998 07:18:24 GMT, "William Hubbard" 
>>wrote:
>
>>>Strakitch tye golevo!
>
>>Should be shta allah aboukir!!!
>
>>>bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote in article
>>><35ff8fb8.1840244@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:15:29 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote: 
>>>> >On 25 Jun 1998 20:41:51 GMT, "Fenian" < fenian@hibernian.com> wrote:
>>>> >>morgan@shamrock.com wrote in article
>>><35995802.2904819@news.nucleus.com>...
>>>> >>> On 24 Jun 1998 23:39:44 GMT, bushbadee@aol.com (BUSHBADEE) wrote:
>
>>>> >>> >>> Shouldn't the spelling be KHAZIR, meaning swine???
>>>> >>> >>> After all, the Christkillers are lower than the feces of the swine???
>
>>>> >>> >I have many christian friend and I object to you calling them lower than
>>>> >>> >the feces of swine.
>
>>>> >>> It is not the Christians that are the Christkillers.
>>>> >>> Read your Bible, or have your friend read it to you, about the foul
>>>> >>> Sanhedrin JEWS, who arranged for the murder of Jesus Christ!!!
>
>>>> >>> Christ opposed their usury and other financial crimes, being conducted
>>>> >>> in the Temples.
>



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On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:13:38 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>The article below, from dejanews, seems to have much relevance, now
>that cardinal Glemp has had the guts to tell the Jews to stop
>interfering in the internal affairs of Poland!!!
>
>
>On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:37:14 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>I think that you forgot the Polish JEW, Felix Dzerzhinski, the subhuman
>>who established the Soviet secret police.
>
>>he and his gangs of murdering JEW Kommissars are responsible for the
>>murders of tens of millions in Russia, as well as the more than 30
>>millions they killed in the Ukraine!!!
>
>
>>Clancy wrote:
>
>>> "Some call it Marxism  I call it Judaism."
>>> (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise,  May 5, 1935).
>
>>>                             Top Jewish Communists
>
>>>  Of the top 556 functionaries in the first Communist Russian
>>> government, over 400 were Jews. Of the first 119 members of the
>>> Communist Russian Council ruling Russia, 81 were Jews.
>
>>> V.I. Lenin, supreme dictator. Leon Bronstein (Trotsky): supreme commander
>>> of the Soviet Red Army. Grigory Apfelbaum (Zinoviev): executive, Soviet
>>> Secret Police. Solomon Lozovsky: deputy Soviet foreign minister. Maxim
>>> Wallach (Litvinov): Soviet foreign minister. Yuri Andropov: director,
>>> Soviet KGB, later supreme dictator of the Soviet Union.
>
>>> Jacob Sverdlov: first president of the Soviet Union. Sverdlov ordered the
>>> massacre of the Czar's family--women and children--in the town named after
>>> Catherine the Great, Yekaterinburg, (renamed Sverdlovsk in 1924 in honor of
>>> the murderer).
>
>>> Jacob Yurovsky: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Yurovsky led the death
>>> squad which carried out Sverdlov's order for the murder of the Czar's
>>> family, including the bayoneting to death of the Czar's daughters. The
>>> Ipatyev house, where, in the basement, the massacre had occurred, stood
>>> intact until 1977, when the local Communist party boss at that time, Boris
>>> Yeltsin, ordered it demolished, lest it become a shrine to anti-Jewish
>>> sentiment.
>
>>>  Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich : chief mass murderer for Stalin, ordered
>>>  the deaths of millions and the wholesale destruction of Christian monuments
>>> and churches, including the great Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
>>> Standing amid the rubble of the cathedral, Kaganovich proclaimed,
>>> "Mother Russia is cast down. We have ripped away her skirts."
>>> (N.Y. Times, Sept. 26, 1995).
> 
>>> Mikhail Kaganovich: deputy commissar of heavy industry, supervisor of slave
>>> labor, brother of Lazar. Rosa Kaganovich: Stalin's mistress; sister of
>>> Lazar. Paulina Zhemchuzina: member of the Central Committee and wife of
>>> Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov. Olga Bronstein: officer, Soviet Cheka
>>> Secret Police, sister of Trotsky, wife of Kamenev.
>
>>> Genrikh Yagoda: chief of Soviet Secret Police, mass murderer
>>> extraordinaire. (Jewish poet Romain Rolland, winner of the Nobel Prize,
>>> wrote a hymn of praise to Yagoda).
> 
>>> Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frenkel: founders, the Gulag death camp system.
>
>>> Lev Inzhir, commissar for Soviet death camp transit and administration.
>>> Boris Berman: executive officer of the Soviet Secret Police and brother of
>>> Matvei. K.V. Pauker: chief of operations, Soviet NKVD Secret Police.
>
>>> Firin, Rappoport, Kogan, Zhuk: commissars of death camps and slave labor,
>>> supervised the mass deaths of laborers during the construction of the White
>>> Sea--Baltic Canal.
> 
>>> M.I. Gay: commander, Soviet Secret Police. Slutsky and Shpiegelglas:
>>> commanders, Soviet Secret Police. Isaac Babel: officer, Soviet Secret
>>> Police.
>
>>> Leiba Lazarevich Feldbin (Aleksandr Orlov): commander, Soviet Red Army;
>>> officer, Soviet Secret Police. Feldbin was chief of Soviet Security in the
>>> Spanish Civil War. He supervised the massacre of Catholic priests and
>>> peasants in Spain.
> 
>>> Yona Yakir: general, Soviet Red Army, member of the Central Committee.
>>> Dimitri Shmidt: general, Soviet Red Army. Yakov ("Yankel") Kreiser:
>>> general, Soviet Red Army. Miron Vovsi: general, Soviet Red Army.
>
>>> David Dragonsky: general, Soviet Red Army, Hero of the Soviet Union.
>>> Grigori Shtern: general, Soviet Red Army. Mikhail Chazkelevich: general,
>>> Soviet Red Army. Shimon Kirvoshein: general, Soviet Red Army. Arseni
>>> Raskin: deputy-commander, Soviet Red Army. Haim Fomin, commander of
>>> Brest-Litovsk, Soviet Red Army. At least one hundred Soviet generals were
>>> Jewish (cf. Canadian Jewish News, April 19, 1989).
>
>>> Generals who were not themselves Jewish often had Jewish wives. Among these
>>> were Marshal Voroshilov, Marshal Bulganin, Marshal Peresypkin and General
>>> Pavel Sudoplatov (Sudoplatov assassinated hundreds of Christian leaders
>>> including Ukranian Catholic Archbishop Teodor Romzha). This Jewish wife
>>> "insurance policy" extended to Politburo members such as Andrei Andreyev
>>> and Leonoid Brezhnev.
> 
>>> Sergei Eisenstein: director of communist propaganda films which depicted
>>> Christian peasants (kulaks) as hideous, money-grabbing parasites. The
>>> kulaks were subsequently massacred. (Cf. for example Eisenstein's Bezhin
>>> Meadow).
>
>>> KOMZET: commission for the settlement of Jewish Communists on land seized
>>> from murdered Christians in Ukraine; funded by Jewish-American financier
>>> Julius Rosenwald.
> 
>>> Ilya Ehrenburg, Minister of Soviet Propaganda he won the Order of Lenin
>>> and the Stalin Prize. He willed his papers to the Israeli Yad Vashem
>>> 'Holocaust' Museum.
>
>>> Solomon Mikhoels: commissar of Soviet propaganda. Soviet film
>>> propagandists: Mark Donsky, Leonid Lukov, Yuli Reisman, Vasily
>>> Grossman,Yevgeny Gabrilovich, Boris Volchok and Lillian Hellman (old movies
>>> written by her continue to be broadcast on American telelvision).
> 
>>> Soviet propagandist: Yevgeny Khaldei who staged the photo of the raising of
>>> the hammer and sickle flag over the Reichstag in Berlin, May 2, 1945.
>>> Afterward, a special plane was waiting to fly Khaldei, Stalin's top Tass
>>> photographer, to a Moscow lab, where his photo was further doctored (loot
>>> displayed on one of the Soviet soldier's wrists was removed in the negative
>>> and Khaldei added clouds and smoke to the scene for dramatic effect (see
>>> photo of Khaldei and his beloved flag at left). Khaldei continued to work
>>> as a premier Soviet propagandist until his retirement from Pravda in 1972.
>>> His Communist propaganda is proudly on display at the Jewish Museum of New
>>> York and the Jewish Museum of San Francisco.
> 
>>> Nikolai Bukharin: Lenin's chief theorist. Samuel Agursky: commissar. Karl
>>> Radek: member, Central Committee. Mikhail Gruzenberg (Borodin) commissar.
>>> A.A. Yoffe: commissar. David Ryazanov: advisor to Lenin. Lev Grigorievich
>>> Levin: physician, poisoner of Stalin's enemies. Lev Rosenfeld (Kamenev):
>>> member of the Central Committee.
>
>>> Ivan Maisky: Soviet Ambassador to Britain. Itzik Solomonovich Feffer:
>>> commissar, Soviet Secret Police. Abraham Sutskever: Soviet
>>> terrorist-partisan. Mark Osipovich Reizen: Soviet propagandist, winner of
>>> three Stalin Prizes. Lev Leopold Trepper: Soviet espionage officer.
> 
>>> Bela Kun (Kohen): supreme dictator of Hungary in 1919. Kun was later
>>> Stalin's chief terrorist in the Crimea. Kun's eventual successor was Matyas
>>> Rakosi, Jewish Communist mass murderer of Christians in Hungary. According
>>> to the Jewish Telegraph Agency of May 14, 1997, Jews "...played key roles
>>> in ushering Communist rule into Hungary. In fact, during the brutal
>>> oppression of the early 1950s, the regime's top five leaders were Jews. "
> 
>>> Zakharovich Mekhlis: top executioner for Stalin. Henrykas Zimanas: leader
>>> of Lithuanian communist terrorists, butcher of Christians.
> 
>>> Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist
>>> People's Army. Tito's top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian
>>> Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist
>>> Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People's
>>> Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms
>>> shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.
> 
>>> In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish
>>> communists: the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police;
>>> the Politboro commander Jacob Berman  and commissars Minc, Specht
>>> (Olszewski) and Spychalski.
> 
>>> These men murdered or deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death
>>> camps, tens of thousands of Catholic Poles.
> 
>>> According to Jewish researcher John Sack, "In 1945 many Poles felt (and not
>>> without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security...the chief of
>>> the Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the department
>>> heads were Jews." Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the Communist
>>> Secret Police in Silesia were Jews. He noted that many Jews in the
>>> Communist terror apparatus in Poland changed their names to Polish ones
>>> like :  (cf. John Sack, The New Republic, Feb. 14, 1994, p. 6.
> 
>>> ROMAN ROMKOWSKI (Natan Grunspau Kikiel),
>>> JULIUSZ HIBNER (David Schwartz).
>>> JOZEF ROZANSKI (Goldberg)
>>> JERZY BORESZA ( Goldberg)
>>> ROMAN ZAMBROWSKI (Rubin Nussbaum)
>>> EUGENIUSZ SZYR
>>> LUNA BYSTRYGIER .
>>> ANATOL FEIGIN
>>> JOZEF SWIATLO
>>> Capt. STUDENCKI
>>>  Lt. JURKOWSKI.
>>> ZYGMUNT OKRET
>>> TADEUSZ ZABLUDOWSKI
>>> ROMAN WERLF.
>>> LEON KASMAN,
> 
>>> Generals: WIKTOR GROSZ, ARTHUR STAROWICZ, ADAM SCHAFF,
>>> ZYGMUNT MODZELEWSKI,MARIAN NASZKOWSKI,
>>> MIECZYSLAW OGRODZINSKI, JULIUSZ KATZ-SUCHYSa
> 
>>> In Poland, "...a disproportionate number of Communists were Jews. In 1930,
>>> at its peak, 35% of the members of the party were Jewish. In Communist
>>> youth organizations, Jewish membership was even higher, while Communists of
>>> Jewish origin occupied most of the seats on the central committee.
>>> Communism appealed to some Jews because it opposed anti-Semitism more
>>> vigorously than any other Polish party...Jewish Communists reached their
>>> apogee in the years immediately after World War Two, when the party
>>> leadership was totally in the hands of the prewar Communist leadership that
>>> abhorred anti-Semitism." (Sheldon Kirshner, The Canadian Jewish News, Nov.
>>> 5, 1992, p. 16).
> 
>>> Of course when one encounters the issue of Jews, Communists and Catholics
>>> in Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass murder
>>> of the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is never
>>> raised.
> 
>>> "The average Pole could not but notice in the Stalinist era that the two most
>>> powerful men in the country--Berman and Minc--were both Jewish as was
>>> the dreaded security official Rozanski."
>>> Piotr S. Wandycz of Yale University (N.Y. Review of Books,
>>>  Aug. 18, 1983, p. 51).
> 
>>> Julius Hammer, M.D.: New York abortionist and co-founder of the American
>>> communist party. Armand Hammer: fundraiser and financier for Lenin and
>>> Stalin, son of Julius.
> 
>>> Lev Davidovich Landau: Stalinist physicist, co-father of the Soviet atomic
>>> bomb. Klaus Fuchs: helped steal atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Ruth
>>> Werner: colonel, Red Army GRU intelligence, assisted Fuchs. Julius and
>>> Ethel Rosenberg: stole American atomic bomb secrets for Stalin. Morris
>>> Cohen (Peter Kroger): assisted the Rosenbergs. Markus Wolf: chief of
>>> German Communist Stasi Secret Police.
> 
>>> Howard Fast: American communist propagandist for Stalin. David
>>> Dubinsky: Stalin's ally, head of the U.S. International Ladies Garment
>>> Workers Union. Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist
>>> propagandist. Rabbi Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party. Victor
>>> Rothschild: top British espionage agent for Stalin.
> 
>>> Mark Zborowski:  "...considered by historians of Soviet terror operations to
>>> have been the most fearsome...(Soviet) spy of all time" (Stephen Schwartz,
>>> Forward, Jan. 26, 1996). Zborowski, a medical researcher, murdered a
>>> dissident with a poisoned orange at the Soviet-run hospital in Paris.
>>> Zborowski was implicated in several other assassinations in 1936 and 1937.
>>> In the 1940s worked for both the American Jewish Committee and the KGB. In
>>> the 1960s Zborowski worked as a medical researcher at Mount Zion Hospital
>>> in San Francisco. He trained numerous psychiatrists and medical specialists
>>> in the Bay Area. He died in 1990 (cf. "The Strange Case of Doctor Zborowski
>>> and Monsieur Etienne" by Philippe Videlier, in Le Monde Diplomatique, Dec.
>>> 1992).
> 
>>> The African National Congress (ANC) in South Africa was guided by two
>>> Communist Jews, Albie Sachs, "one of its foremost intellectuals"( London
>>> Sunday Times, Aug. 29, 1993) and Yossel Mashel Slovo (Joe Slovo).
> 
>>> Slovo was born in a shtetl in Lithuania and grew up speaking Yiddish and
>>> studying the Talmud. He joined the ANC's terrorist wing, the Umkhonto we
>>> Sizwe, in 1961 and eventually became its commander. He was named Secretary
>>> General of the South African Communist Party in 1986. ("Joe Slovo," Jewish
>>> Chronicle, Jan. 13, 1995).
> 
>>> Slovo had been the " planner of many of the ANC terrorist attacks,
>>> including the 1983 car bomb that killed 19 people and injured many
>>> others... Slovo, who had traveled to the Soviet Union many times, was
>>> awarded a Soviet medal on his 60th birthday...Slovo is a dedicated
>>> Communist, a Marxist Leninist without morality of any kind, for whom only
>>> victory counts, whatever the human cost, whatever the bloodshed...Slovo
>>> disputes little of his image as 'the Communist mastermind' behind the ANC's
>>> armed struggle. For him the fears of South Africa's whites are both a
>>> measure of the ANC's growing strength and a crucial factor in hastening
>>> what he believes will be its ultimate victory. 'Revolutionary violence has
>>> created the inspirational impact that we had intended, and it has won for
>>> the ANC its leading position,' Slovo said." ("Rebel Strategist Seeks to End
>>> Apartheid," L.A. Times, Aug. 16, 1987, p. 14). When Nelson Mandela's ANC
>>> took over South Africa, Slovo was named Minister of Housing.
> 
>>> Slovo, a Yiddish-speaking Lithuanian Jew, was Secretary General of the
>>> South African Communist Party and director of the military wing of the ANC,
>>> which perpetrated numerous terror bombings against white civilians.
> 
>>> Ambassador David Rowl and Franches wrote about his experiences in
>>> Russia at that tragic time in RUSSIA FROM THE AMERICAN EMBASSY,
>>> Scribner, 1921. He declared
> 
>>>      "...The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews, and 90% of
>>>      whom are returned exiles, are little for Russia or any other
>>>      country but are internationalists, and they are trying to start a
>>>      world-wide social revolution."
> 
>>> From the DIRECTORATE OF INTELLIGENCE, THE BRITISH WAR
>>> CABINET, (CAB 214/83,July 3, 1916) Came the report:
> 
>>>      "Definite evidence has been received that the leaders in the
>>>      Bolshevik movement in England, France, and America are in touch
>>>      with one another and with Moscow, and that the Bolshevik movement
>>>      is an INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY OF JEWS."
> 
>>> One could add, a financial-banking conspiracy with most of the money for
>>> the Russian Revolution coming from New York Jewish Bankers.
> 
>>> THE AMERICAN HEBREW, September 10, 1920:
> 
>>>      "The Bolshevist Revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish
>>>      brains, of Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal
>>>      is to create a New Order in the world. [a New World Order - sound
>>>      familiar??] What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia,
>>>      thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>      and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish
>>>      mental and physical forces, become a reality all over the world."
> 
>>> DR. OSCAR LEVY in his Preface to THE WORLD SIGNIFICANCE
>>> OF THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION by George Pitt-Rivers (1920):
> 
>>>      "Bolshevism is a religion and a faith. How could those
>>>      half-converted believers dream to vanquish the "Truthful" and the
>>>      faithful of their own creed ... who had gathered around the Red
>>>      Standard of the prophet Karl Marx, and who fought under the
>>>      guidance of those experienced officers of all latter - day
>>>      revolutions - the Jews?"
> 
>>> GEORGE MARLEN, in STALIN, TROTSKY, OR LENIN, on page
>>> 414 New York (1937):
> 
>>>      "If the tide of history does not turn toward Communist
>>>      Internationalism, then the Jewish race is doomed"
> 
>>> THE LONDON JEWISH CHRONICLE, 4-4-1921:
> 
>>>      "...there is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact
>>>      that so many Jews are Bolshevists, in the fact that the ideals of
>>>      Bolshevism at many points are consonant with the finest ideals of
>>>      Judaism."
> 
>>> CHICAGO JEWISH SENTINEL, 10-8-1942:
>
>>>      "The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the
>>>      fundamentals of Judaism."
>
>>> Elizabeth Dilling in her excellent book THE JEWISH RELIGION:
>>> ITS INFLUENCE TODAY writes:
> 
>>>      "Only through (a) thorough understanding of the ideology from
>>>      which this collectivism originates, and those who dominate and
>>>      propagate it, can the rest of the world hope to escape the same
>>>      fate. Communism Socialism was originated by Jews and has been
>>>      dominated by them from the beginning .... There is no moral,
>>>      philosophical or ethical conflict whatsoever between Judaism and
>>>      Marxist collectivism as they exist in actual practice. Marxism,
>>>      to which all branches of Socialism necessarily adhere, was
>>>      originated by a Jew, Karl Marx, himself of Rabbinical descent.
>>>      Every Jewish source today boasts of his rabbinical ancestry, and
>>>      his "keen dialectical ability" (as presumably manifested by his
>>>      abstruse, hair-splitting, DESKAPITAL) being due to his Talmudic
>>>      inheritance .... Marx did not actually originate anything, but
>>>      merely "streamlined" talmudism for Gentile consumption..."
> 
>>> Dr.OscarLevy in his Preface (mentioned above) also wrote:
> 
>>>      "We Jews, who have posed as the Saviors of the World (God's
>>>      Chosen People - what a lie!) we today are nothing else but the
>>>      world's seducers, its destroyers, its incendiaries, its
>>>      executioners."
>
>>>  Bernard Lazare, in his "L'Anti-semitisme" p.350 wrote:
>
>>>      "The jew is not satisfied with de-Christianizing, he Judaizes. He
>>>      destroys ... faith, he provokes indifference, but he imposes his
>>>      idea of the world, of morals, and of life upon those whose faith
>>>      he ruins; he works his age-old task, the annihilation of the
>>>      religion of (Jesus) Christ."
> 
>>> "There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of
>>> Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by
>>> these international and for the most part atheistical Jews."
>>> On Feb. 8, 1920  the Illustrated Sunday Herald: by Winston Churchill.
> 
>>> "In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more
>>> astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed, the principal, part in the
>>> system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating
>>> Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by
>>> Jewesses.
>
>>> "The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of
>>> terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been
>>> presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has
>>> been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people.
> 
>>> "...The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of
>>> worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has
>>> tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with villainies
>>> which are now being perpetrated...Needless to say, the most intense
>>> passions of revenge have been excited in the breasts of the Russian
>>> people."
>
>>> "It was Communism which toppled the hated Czars, Communism which
>>> removed Jewish disabilities and proscribed anti-Semitism and Communism
>>> which, in its early days at least, opened the doors to Jewish advancement."
>>> Chaim Bermant, writing in the Jewish Chronicle (Aug. 30, 1991)
> 
>>>  "The clever Russian is almost always a Jew or has Jewish blood in him."
>>>  (Dmitri Volkogonov, Lenin: A New Biography, p.112).
> 
>>> Lenin declared, "We are exterminating the bourgeoisie as a class." His
>>> partner in crime, Apfelbaum (Zinoviev) stated: "The interests of the
>>> revolution require the physical annihilation of the bourgeoisie class." Who
>>> were these bourgeoisie? Certainly not Jews. Trotsky gave a clue to their
>>> identity in a 1937 interview in the New York Jewish newspaper, Daily
>>> Forward: "The longer the rotten bourgeoisie society lives, the more and
>>> more barbaric will anti-Semitism become everywhere."
> 
>>> Bourgeoisie was a Bolshevik code-word for Gentile. The first law passed
>>> after the Communists seized power in Russia made anti-semitism a crime
>>> punishable by death. (Izvestia, July 27, 1918).
> 
>>> The top Communist Jewish official Zinoviev stated: "Without mercy, without
>>> sparing, we will kill our enemies in scores of hundreds. Let them be
>>> thousands; let them drown themselves in their own blood. For the blood of
>>> Lenin and Uritzky, Zinoviev and V_lodarsky, let there be floods of the
>>> blood of the bourgeoisie--more blood! As much as possible!"
>>> (Krasnaya Gazeta, Sept. 1, 1918).
> 
>>> Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's biographer recounts what it was like to grow up as
>>> a Russian Christian child among the children of the Jewish communist elite:
>>> "By the age of ten he had the cross ripped from his neck by jeering
>>> Pioneers and for over a year was held up to ridicule... Solzhenitsyn was,
>>> as a boy, exposed to students whose parents had an officially superior
>>> status. Most of the members of the Young Pioneers and Komsomol movements,
>>> at least in Rostov, were Jewish children..."
>>> (Michael Scammell, Solzhenitsyn: A Biography, p. 64).
> 
>>> Here is the most genocidal political movement in world history, which
>>> created the largest concentration camps and the most horrendous slave labor
>>> system of the 20th century, in which millions of Christians were
>>> slaughtered (on the size of the Gulag concentration camp system cf. C.
>>> Andrew and O. Gordievsky, KGB: The Inside Story and N.Y. Times, Oct. 22,
>>> 1990, p. 82. None of these camps are being preserved for posterity. Most
>>> were destroyed long ago by special military brigades; cf. Michael Specter,
>>> "Cold Reminder," N.Y. Times, Dec. 3, 1994).
>
>>> "Israelis and American Jews fully agree that the memory of the Holocaust is
>>> an indispensable weapon--one that must be used relentlessly against their
>>> common enemy...Jewish organizations and individuals thus labor continuously
>>> to remind the world of it. In America, the perpetuation of the Holocaust
>>> memory is now a $100-million-a-year enterprise, part of which is
>>> government-funded."
>
>>> the Israeli author Moshe Leshem:( Balaam's Curse, p. 228)
> 
>>> In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet communist
>>> party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of the total
>>> population (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81)
> 
>>> "National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>> characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme
>>> form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>> cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>> penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).



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On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 14:13:14 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>In view of the extortion of gullible government, for billions of
>dollars by the cursed JEWS, the Christkillers of history, one MUST
>question all aspects of the claims made by JEWS.
>
>In this regard, the questions below deserve detailed study, until the
>truth is known.
>Every normal person should consider the entire contents, and decide for
>themselves, whether any JEWS died in WWII.
>
>
>
>
>someone@somewhere.com wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:52:09 -0500, holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene
>> Holman) wrote: 
>> >Would any readers of soc.culture.polish care to comment on the claims 
>> >made here.
>
>
>
>> >1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>> >DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>
>> >        None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>> >individual "survivors", and no "survivor" claims actually to have
>> >witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No 
>> >mounds of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing 
>> >the job, no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no 
>> >records, no demographic statistics.
>
>> >        On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>> >forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>> >comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>> >figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>
>> Quite frankly, by reading the attached text, which proves that almost
>> half of the original 600,000 JEWS in Germany were in the German
>> military, one MUST question the alleged figures used by the JEWS to
>> extort money from gullible governments!!!
> 
>> >        2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>> >RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>> >WORLD WAR TWO?
> 
>> >        Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>> >interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German 
>> >war effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of 
>> >their race or national origin alone.
> 
>> >        3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>> >CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
> 
>> >        Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>> >their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>> >Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist 
>> >subversion during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were 
>> >highly overrepresented in government, commercial, and media 
>> >positions.
>
>> >However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger 
>> >of internment once the war broke out.
>
>> >        On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>> >Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply 
>> >because the German government had removed Jews from influential 
>> >positions and transferred power back to the German people. The 
>> >boycott order and the Jewish war against Germany were reported in 
>> >the world print and broadcast media of the time. False stories of 
>> >German "death camps" were in fact circulated even before the outbreak 
>> >of World War Two. Therefore the German view of the Jewish people 
>> >as enemy aliens would seem to have been fully justified.
> 
>> >        4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>> >DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
> 
>> >        Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>> >gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
> 
>> >        5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS 
>> >IT WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT 
>> >WAS?
>
>> >        Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>> >murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>> >were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>> >chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official 
>> >Holocaust lore because it became too difficult to maintain in 
>> >the face of known fact and because Dachau was in the Allied 
>> >occupation zone where access to the camp was too 
>> >easy and unrestricted.
> 
>> >        En passant, the brief lifespan of the "Dachau death camp"
>> >version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning 
>> >of the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>> >noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>> >official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>> >Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum.
> 
>> >        6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF 
>> >THAT GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED 
>> >AT AUSCHWITZ?
> 
>> >        No. The "gas chamber" exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz 
>> >could not possibly have been used to carry out executions; 
>> >it is far too small and it is not even airtight. 
>> >In the 1980s, American expert Fred Leuchter, who builds gas chambers 
>> >for American penal systems, took scrapings from the walls 
>> >of the Auschwitz "gas chamber" for chemical
>> >analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit 
>> >is a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.
> 
>> Were not the Krema at Auschwitz built by the Polish communists in
>> 1949, long after the war???
>
>> >        7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN'T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE 
>> >PURPOSE?
> 
>> >        It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>> >(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in 
>> >the same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>> >correctional systems throughout the United States today.
> 
>> >        8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
> 
>> >        Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of 
>> >hydrocyanic gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, 
>> >including the fumigation of lice-infested clothing, 
>> >the purpose for which it was applied at Auschwitz. 
>> >Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>> >commonly used and available today.
> 
>> >        9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>> >COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
> 
>> >        Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>> >brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>> >figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>> >read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>> >Hoess' blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>> >cross examined.
> 
>> >        10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA 
>> >FUMIGATED WITH ZYKLON-B?
> 
>> >        About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>> >and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>> >only are employed.
> 
>> >        11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>> >ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>> >THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
> 
>> >        It can't be explained, because it could not have happened 
>> >like that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered 
>> >the same fate as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
> 
>> >        12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>> >CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>> >BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN'T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
> 
>> >        Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the 
>> >six million figure as well.
> 
>> >        13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT 
>> >SECRET FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE 
>> >POPE, THE VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND 
>> >ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE NOT KNOW?
> 
>> >        Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>> >British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>> >been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>> >were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a 
>> >potentially powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any 
>> >contemporary evidence at all during the war that such an event was 
>> >occurring.
>
>> >        14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>> >DURING THE WAR?
> 
>> >        About 300,000.
> 
>> >        15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
> 
>> >        Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>> >Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably 
>> >appears whenever people are jammed together for long periods 
>> >without bathing.It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. 
>> >Ironically, if the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant 
>> >purposes, more Jews  might have survived the concentration camps. 
>> >Jewish prisoners (as well as many others) also died from starvation 
>> >and lack of medical attention towards the end of the war 
>> >when virtually all rail and road transport had come to a standstill 
>> >due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
> 
>> >        16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 
>> >300,000 DIED?
>
>> >        5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>> >deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>> >exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>> >was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>> >identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>> >of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>> >the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a "Holocaust".
> 
>> >        17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE "DEATH CAMPS" SAY THEY SAW
>> >BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD 
>> >HAVE BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
> 
>> >        A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>> >afforded to waste during the Second World War, that's for sure.
> 
>> >        18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
> 
>> >        No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed 
>> >by flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated 
>> >in open pits.
>> >[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>> >observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>> >American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely 
>> >to destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in 
>> >any other way in open pits. The Holocaust "experts" who claim 
>> >otherwise are either parroting what they have been told without 
>> >bothering to check their facts, or else they are lying.]
>
>> >        19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>> >BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A 
>> >BODY ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
> 
>> >        About two hours.
> 
>> >        20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
> 
>> >        To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead 
>> >from typhus and other diseases.
> 
>> >        21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN 
>> >ALL THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE 
>> >MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO 
>> >INCINERATE DURING THE ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
> 
>> >        About 430,600.
> 
>> >        22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
> 
>> >        No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>> >per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>> >when in heavy operation.
> 
>> >        23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>> >CORPSE?
> 
>> >        After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>> >time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
> 
>> >        24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>> >HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
> 
>> >        That remains to be "explained". Six million bodies would
>> >produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have 
>> >been no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz 
>> >area or anywhere else in Europe.
> 
>> >        25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE 
>> >AIR, SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
> 
>> >        No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the 
>> >immense amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the 
>> >camp, nor do they show any evidence of the alleged open 
>> >pits where the bodies were burned.
> 
>> >        26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT 
>> >THE WHOLE "HOLOCAUST" ISSUE?
> 
>> >        A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>> >September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>> >packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>> >full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second 
>> >World War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or 
>> >any of the wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust.
> 
>> >        Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war's end, the
>> >liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of 
>> >articles claiming that the Red Cross was "full of Nazi sympathizers". 
>> >This charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated 
>> >Jewish attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles 
>> >steadily in the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
> 
>> >        27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
> 
>> >        Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>> >Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>> >conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>> >literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>> >diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>> >adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from 
>> >the published text.
>>
>> >        In 1950 Anne Frank's father sued author Meyer Levin, the 
>> >actual writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. 
>> >A Jewish judge in New York ordered the records of the court case 
>> >sealed for 100 years.
>> >When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>> >noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were 
>> >interpolations written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, 
>> >a writing instrument which was not invented until 1950. The original 
>> >diary was swiftly removed from exhibit and whisked away 
>> >into a safety deposit box inIsrael. It has never been produced for 
>> >examination since then despite repeated attempts by scholars to view 
>> >it.
> 
>> >        28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>> >ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED 
>> >CORPSES AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
> 
>> >        Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>> >Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>> >Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a "Nazi SS
>> >man" about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>> >of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>> >historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>> >the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine.
> 
>> >        (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>> >atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>> >remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>> >the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>> >laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>> >be perpetrated by Holocaust "experts" is not surprising in view of 
>> >the fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme 
>> >left-wing views and are as quick to apologize for and explain 
>> >away Stalin's butcheries as they are to invent fraudulent crimes 
>> >attributed to Adolf Hitler. The almost universally leftist 
>> >political and social orientation of
>> >Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind 
>> >when examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>> >important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>> >the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken 
>> >McVay's refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General 
>> >Secretary Smith asked him why he did not condemn the 
>> >mass murders of Stalin.)
> 
>> >        29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>> >SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
> 
>> >        Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>> >predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would 
>> >certainlyhave been in a position to learn about it. Since no such 
>> >plan existed,the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
> 
>> >        30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>> >EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
> 
>> >        None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>> >deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come 
>> >tolight. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>> >Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering  
>> >the extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis 
>> >were meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were 
>> >seized by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied 
>> >archivists and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them 
>> >all. Nothing. Zip. Nada.
>
>> >        31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>> >DURING THE WAR?
> 
>> >        Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>> >from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>> >they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>> >official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>> >British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>> >Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>> >industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that 
>> >Eichmann was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered 
>> >in order to silence him.
> 
>
>> In Canada there was a detailed story in Toronto Life magazine about the 
>> roles  of the Reichman and Gestetner families in providing assistance 
>> to the Germans in WWII. The Jews are not happy about this public 
>> exposure,and have tried to restrict distribution of this news, 
>> which is available from the publishers in Toronto at Toronto Life.
> 
>
>
>> >        32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED 
>> >BY THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
> 
>> >        Slightly less than four million.
> 
>> >        33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE 
>> >THE NAZIS?
> 
>> >        Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>> >kill them.
> 
>> >        34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN'T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>> >HAPPENED TO THEM?
> 
>> >        After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>> >States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 
>> >300,000, they are all accounted for.
> 
>> >        35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>> >TODAY?
>
>> >        It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>> >economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>> >sums of "guilt money", especially from the German government. It
>> >justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>> >dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>> >billion dollars in assorted "Holocaust reparations" and the ante is
>> >growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>> >Jewish people to keep the scam going.
> 
>> >        36. ARE FILMS LIKE "HOLOCAUST", "SCHINDLER'S LIST", AND "THE
>> >WINDS OF WAR" DOCUMENTARIES?
> 
>> >        Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>> >They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, 
>> >not real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals 
>> >of events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>> >screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where 
>> >Jews are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and 
>> >the creative and financial sectors of film making.
> 
>> >        Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>> >that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>> >begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, 
>> >the character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in 
>> >Spielberg's production of "Schindler's List" was sanitized to the 
>> >point of being unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost 
>> >saintly,  and yet none of those still living who remember 
>> >the man have a single good word to say about him. The real Schindler 
>> >was a confidence artist, a thief, a libertine and degenerate gambler 
>> >who indulged freely in forced sexual relations with young 
>> >female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>> >and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>> >money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>> >because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and 
>> >events like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with 
>> >the most bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
> 
>> >        37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE 
>> >SOME ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
> 
>> >        Over 100, with more in the works.
> 
>> >        38. BUT AREN'T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>> >ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>
>> >        Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>> >right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>> >freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>> >explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>> >unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>> >position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>> >genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>> >libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>> >subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>> >from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
> 
>> >        39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>> >VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>
>> >        A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>> >always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>> >Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>> >called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>> >hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>> >express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>> >from many of the postings to Nizkor's Internet playgroups that they
>> >have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>> >Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>> >ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>> >cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
> 
>> >        The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>> >hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>> >giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those 
>> >who ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the 
>> >Holocaust are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned.
> 
>> >        Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>> >him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>> >Revisionist bookseller's offices were burned, and in Toronto
>> >Revisionist author Ernst Zundel's home was almost destroyed in an 
>> >arson attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of 
>> >show trials lasting over ten years, and after being finally acquitted 
>> >he has been denied Canadian citizenship and is still battling 
>> >attempts  to deport him to prison and torture in Germany.
>
>> >        An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>> >kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>> >lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the "crime" of writing
>> >pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>> >legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>> >abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>> >only after an international outcry. Schmidt's "crime" was writing a
>> >pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>> >distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder 
>> >has been imprisoned so many times he's lost count. Revisionists 
>> >have been stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure 
>> >in universities, victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs 
>> >in the mail, and subjected to constant death threats 
>> >from Jews and Marxists.
>
>> >        THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent 
>> >people who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by 
>> >trying to kill, imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. 
>> >More than anything else, the behavior of the Jews and the 
>> >governments they influence so strongly proves that the 
>> >Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>> >neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>> >silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people 
>> >who believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults 
>> >and torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the 
>> >part of the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have 
>> >imposed the most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of 
>> >humanity, and have used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, 
>> >steal another people's country, and then to slaughter that country's 
>> >original inhabitants at will, as according to National Public Radio 
>> >they are doing even now as I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
> 
>> >        40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>> >REVISIONISTS?
> 
>> >        No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than 
>> >ever to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the 
>> >earth understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded 
>> >them, and robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust 
>> >lie. There can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the
>> >Holocaust will be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at 
>> >large for what it is: a politically inspired hoax.
> 
>> >NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>> >pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>> >information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>> >ihrgreg@kaiwan.com - W.S.
>
>
> 
>One MUST question the validity of the EXTORTION on gullible governments
>by the damn JEWS for alleged compensation.
>
>
>
>If half of the German JEWS were in the German military, as the attached
>article documents, why give them any money??
> 
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
> From: stefan lemieszewski 
> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
> 
> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
> 
> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
> Stefan Lemieszewski
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> North Shore News
> February 2, 1997
> 
> Insights from abroad
> Doug Collins
> 
> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
> that is ignored in Canada.
> 
> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
> 
> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
> 
> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
> 
> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
> generals, and 23 colonels.
> 
> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
> more. The research is continuing.
> 
> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
> alive.
> 
> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
> 
> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
> 
> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
> 
> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
> documents in the process.
> 
> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew> could 
> ever have fought for Hitler.
> 
> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
> 
> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
> 
> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
> 
> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
> 
> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
> was a Jew.
> 
> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
> 
> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
> 
> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
> 
> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
> 
> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
> 
> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
> plotting against Hitler.
> 
> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
> to it that he was discharged from the army.
> 
> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
> wonder why?
> 
> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>
>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled - as Fertiliser



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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 14:45:55 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:54:25 GMT, vincent@dreamon.com wrote:
>
>>[From The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, July 1992 issue]
>>
>> "The Secret Files: How AIPAC Can Slander You By Stealth -- An
>>Insider's Expose"
>>
>>-or-
>>
>>"The Secret Section in Israel's U.S. Lobby That Stifles American
>>Debate"
>>
>> by Gregory D. Slabodkin
>>
>> 
>>During the reign of terror that Senator Joseph McCarthy unleashed in
>>the 1950s, when the reputations and lives of many loyal Americans were
>>ruined by false charges of "communism" and "treason," American Jewry
>>was overwhelmingly opposed to the Wisconsin senator and his blackmail
>>by blacklists. According to the Gallup polls of the time, the
>>percentage of U.S. Jews who opposed McCarthy's smear tactics was twice
>>that of the rest of the population. Many Jewish organizations passed
>>resolutions condemning McCarthy's ruthless character assassination.
>>
>>Today, however, such national Jewish organizations as the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith (ADL) and the American Israel
>>Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) are using the same tactics to stifle
>>open debate of U.S. policy in the Middle East.
>>
>>
>>Secretly Circulated Lists
>>
>>
>> To Conduct this "neo-McCarthyism," AIPAC operates a covert section
>>within its research department that monitors and keeps files on
>>politicians, journalists, academics, Arab-American activists, Jewish
>>liberals, and others it labels "anti-Israel."  AIPAC selects
>>information from these files and secretly circulates lists of the
>>"guilty," together with their alleged political misdeeds, buttressed
>>by their statements, often totally out of context.
>>
>>Just as McCarthy's permanent investigations subcommittee labeled
>>criticism of specific policies of the U.S. government as "anti-
>>American" or "pro-Soviet," AIPAC labels criticism of Israeli
>>government policies "anti-Israel," "pro-Arab" or "pro-PLO."  Still
>>worse is the pro-Israel lobby's redefinition of "anti-Semitism" to
>>include any such criticism of Israel or its actions.
>>
>> To date, revelations about AIPAC's blacklisting and smear tactics
>>have barely scratched the surface of the pro-Israel lobby's secret
>>activities. Former Congressman Paul Findley, in his 1985 best-selling
>>book _They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront
>>Israel's Lobby_, documented what he could see of that lobby's impact
>>on U.S. politics, defense, foreign and economic policies, as well as
>>academia and the media. However, as an insider who worked within
>>AIPAC's stealth section, I can confirm what Findley could only
>>surmise. That an organized blacklisting operation exists is a tragic
>>fact that no longer should be ignored.
>>
>> AIPAC's "opposition research" department traces its roots to I.L.
>>(Sy) Kenen, who founded AIPAC in 1954. As editor of AIPAC's weekly
>>_Near East Report_, he often attacked critics of Israel in his aptly
>>titled column, "The Monitor."  Besides monitoring, analyzing, and
>>responding to "anti-Israel" comment and activities in the United
>>States, Kenen also kept files on AIPAC's "enemies."  In his final year
>>AIPAC began to expand its intelligence-gathering operations.
>>
>> Kenen's memoirs, _Israel's Defense Line: Her Friends and Foes in 
>>Washington_, record how AIPAC pooled resources in 1974 with the
>>American Jewish Committee and other national Jewish organizations to
>>create a "truth squad."  Its purpose was to combat "pro-Arab
>>propaganda" and the emerging "Arab lobby," which Kenen believed to be
>>a growing threat to the U.S.-Israel relationship.
>>
>> "While vigorously defending Israel's perceived interests, the
>>organizations that created the truth squad turned into a kind of
>>Jewish thought police," journalist Robert I. Friedman explains.
>>"Investigators -- sometimes overzealous Jewish college students,
>>sometimes sources with access to U.S. intelligence agencies -- were
>>used to ferret out critics of Israel, Jew or gentile, wherever they
>>might be. At ADL and AIPAC, files were opened on journalists,
>>politicians, scholars and community activists. Their speeches and
>>writings were monitored, as were, in some cases, their other
>>professional activities. And they were often smeared with charges of
>>anti-Semitism or with the pernicious label of self-hating Jew. The
>>intention was to stifle debate on the Middle East within the Jewish
>>community, the media and academia, for fear that criticism of any kind
>>would weaken the Jewish state."
>>
>> When Kenen stepped down as executive director of AIPAC in December
>>1974, the task of monitoring Israel's "enemies" was left to the
>>department of research and information at AIPAC, where it has remained
>>ever since.
>>
>>
>> Monitoring Israel's "Enemies"
>>
>>
>>Morris Amitay, Kenen's successor as AIPAC executive director, did not 
>>follow Kenen's practice of countering "pro-Arab propaganda" with
>>polished editorials in the _Near East Report_.  Amitay was more
>>concerned with developing AIPAC into a first-rate lobbying
>>organization, as demonstrated by the fact that AIPAC grew dramatically
>>during his six-year reign. These also were key years in the growth of
>>intelligence gathering.
>>
>>Some of the growth resulted from the challenge presented by a small, 
>>dovish, Jewish organization of the late 1970s known as Breira.
>>"Breira," the Hebrew word for "alternative," was organized by a tiny
>>group of American Jewish rabbis, professors and other activists from
>>the civil rights and anti-war movement of the 1960s.
>>
>>Recognizing that the U.S. Jewish community was not monolithic on the
>>subject of Israel, Breira encouraged American Jews to question
>>Israel's policies in the occupied territories after the 1967 Six-Day
>>War and to engage in an open and frank debate on U.S. foreign policy
>>in the Middle East. Many Breira positions reflected those of the Peace
>>Now movement in Israel.
>>
>>However, American Jewish organizations would not tolerate in the U.S. 
>>the dissent that characterized political debate in Israel. Instead
>>AIPAC and other Jewish organizations set out to silence Breira by
>>discrediting its members. Although these Jewish peaceniks were
>>motivated by love and concern for Israel, they were smeared as "anti-
>>Israel," "pro-PLO," and "self-hating Jews."
>>
>>Kenen, still serving as acting editor of AIPAC's _Near East Report_, 
>>charged that Breira "undermined U.S. support for Israel."  Only one
>>prominent Jewish leader defended Breira. He was Rabbi Alexander
>>Schindler, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
>>who called the attack on Breira a "witch hunt."  He was ignored,
>>however, and the swift and successful campaign to snuff out Breira set
>>the "rules" for dissent in the American Jewish community, as well as
>>who would be the "enforcer" of these "rules."
>>
>>As Edward Tivnan observed in his book, _The Lobby: Jewish Political 
>>Power and American Foreign Policy_: "By attacking Breira, Jewish
>>leaders had turned over much of their power to AIPAC, Israel's most
>>loyal agent in the U.S. and a proved enemy of dissent from Israeli
>>policies, among Jews as well as gentiles."
>>
>>In the late 1970s and early 1980s, AIPAC published an annual "Who's
>>Who" of "anti-Israel organizations and personalities, providing
>>important background information for AIPAC members who must deal with
>>them in the political arena."  AIPAC photocopied these "enemies lists"
>>to meet increasing requests by its members for materials on
>>"anti-Israel" forces.
>>
>>
>>AIPAC's "War for Washington"
>>
>>
>>Thomas Dine, a former legislative assistant to Senator Ted Kennedy,
>>who replaced Amitay in 1980 as AIPAC executive director, expanded
>>AIPAC's opposition research. This was part of Dine's "War for
>>Washington," inspired by what he portrayed as the dramatic growth of
>>"anti-Israel" organizations in the nation's capital. AIPAC was
>>particularly worried about the Arab-American community, just beginning
>>to organize.
>>
>>In August 1982, AIPAC hired Amy Goott as its first full-time employee
>>to monitor Israel's "enemies."  Goott was recruited from the
>>Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, where she had similar duties.
>>In a speech at the 1983 AIPAC Policy Conference, Goott called on AIPAC
>>members to send useful information to her in Washington.
>>
>>In June 1983, AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_, 
>>coauthored by Goott. As Dine explained in the handbook's preface, its
>>purpose was to update the activities of "anti-Israel" organizations
>>and individuals, and to provide a "more complete and convenient
>>analysis of this activity" to "meet the needs of AIPAC members."  Yet,
>>despite its glossy cover and carefully worded and seemingly objective
>>descriptions, _The Campaign to Discredit Israel_ was nothing more than
>>a blacklist. By lumping them together, it sought to categorize critics
>>of all kinds as "enemies" of Israel. The final chapter, "A Directory
>>of the Actors," profiled 21 organizations and 38 individuals to be
>>monitored and discredited whenever possible.
>>
>>At about the same time that AIPAC published _The Campaign to Discredit
>>
>>Israel_, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith published its own 
>>document entitled _Pro-Arab Propaganda in America: Vehicles and
>>Voices_. Overlaps in the texts and the timing reflect Ms. Goott's
>>employment by both organizations during the period both publications
>>were in preparation.
>>
>>"The primary accusation leveled against the groups and individuals 
>>listed in the B'nai B'rith and AIPAC books is that they are
>>'pro-Palestinian' or 'pro-PLO,'" Cheryl Rubenberg writes in her book,
>>_Israel and the American National Interest_.  "Pro-Israeli groups have
>>succeeded in associating the words 'Palestinian' and 'PLO' with
>>terrorism in the minds of Americans; then with techniques reminiscent
>>of the McCarthy era, they smear their opposition with the label
>>'pro-PLO.'"
>>
>>The smear campaign did not go totally unchallenged within the U.S. 
>>Jewish community. In December 1983, _New York Times_ columnist Anthony
>>Lewis criticized AIPAC's tactics, particularly the inclusion in its
>>"enemies list" of Walid Khalidi, a Palestinian intellectual living in
>>Boston, as does Lewis.
>>
>>Khalidi supports a two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. In
>>
>>its handbook, however, AIPAC quoted selectively from one of his
>>articles to depict him as an extremist calling for the destruction of
>>Israel.
>>
>>"Joe McCarthy could not have produced a nastier distortion" of
>>Khalidi's views, Lewis wrote. He suggested that Israel's lobby should
>>welcome Palestinian moderation instead of trying to "smear" it.
>> 
>>In November 1984, the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the 
>>largest organization of Middle East educators in the United States,
>>unanimously condemned AIPAC and ADL blacklisting. MESA called on both 
>>national Jewish organizations to "disavow and refrain from such
>>activities" as soliciting "unbalanced information on students, faculty
>>and other parties at American campuses" and "listing factually
>>inaccurate and unsubstantiated assertions that defame specific
>>students, teachers and researchers as 'pro-Arab propagandists,' who
>>'use their anti-Zionism as merely a guise for their deeply felt
>>anti-Semitism.'"
>>
>>When it released the first edition of _The Campaign to Discredit
>>Israel_ in 1983, AIPAC had announced plans to publish updated versions
>>annually. 
>>
>>However, due to the negative publicity it engendered, the first
>>edition was also the last. Instead, AIPAC continued its monitoring of
>>"anti-Israel" activities, but disseminated the results secretly.
>>
>>
>> Going Underground
>> 
>>
>>AIPAC's decision to take its opposition research underground coincided
>>
>>with the hiring in the mid-1980s of Michael Lewis and Anna Gottlieb.
>>Gottlieb joined AIPAC after a stint at the Justice Department's Office
>>of Special Investigations (OSI). Lewis came to AIPAC from the
>>Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a think tank closely
>>associated with the pro-Israel lobby.  
>>
>>He is the son of Princeton University "orientalist" Bernard Lewis,
>>whose writings have been criticized in the Middle East for denigrating
>>Islam as a religion and Arabs as a people.
>>
>>Michael Lewis, the present head of AIPAC's stealth section,
>>innocuously named Policy Analysis, describes it as a "clearing-house"
>>for information on anti-Israel organizations and activists to provide
>>a "resource, and fulfill a need, unreplicated anywhere else."  He has
>>provided negative information both to rival politicians and to
>>journalists about prominent individuals whom 
>>
>>
>>AIPAC considers to be "anti-Israel."
>>
>>
>>In one case Lewis provided information that became the basis of a
>>racist brochure mailed to voters in California's 44th congressional
>>district by candidate Randy "Duke" Cunningham's campaign in the spring
>>of 1990. The brochure accused former U.S. Ambassador to Qatar Joseph
>>Ghougassian, Cunningham's Republican primary election opponent, of
>>being "bank-rolled by Arab oil interests."  The brochure, featuring a
>>photo of Ghougassian with a drawing of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi,
>>asked: "We don't need a congressman bought and paid for by these
>>special interests.  Do we?"
>>
>>What made this brochure particularly offensive was the fact that 
>>Cunningham's campaign listed contributors to Ghougassian with Arabic
>>sounding last names, all of whom were in fact U.S. citizens, and
>>included the National Association of Arab Americans (NAAA).
>>Ghougassian, an Egyptian-born Armenian and naturalized U.S. citizen,
>>lost the primary race against Cunningham who, with AIPAC's support,
>>went on to win a seat in the 102nd Congress.
>>
>>Lewis reports that AIPAC also "provided Steve Emerson with information
>>
>>on Alexander Cockburn."  That followed a heated exchange between 
>>Israel-apologist Emerson and frequent critic of Israel Cockburn on the
>>
>>editorial page of _The Wall Street Journal_ in May 1990. Emerson
>>attacked Cockburn for his "financial agenda."
>>
>>"It ought to be remembered," Emerson wrote, "that several years ago
>>Mr. Cockburn secretly took $10,000 from an organization that had been
>>funded primarily by the governments of Iraq and Libya and by a bank
>>known as the PLO's bank."
>>
>>Emerson's charge was based on a story which had appeared in a weekly 
>>alternative newspaper, _The Boston Phoenix_, on Jan. 10, 1984.  _The
>>Phoenix_ reported that Cockburn received in 1982 a $10,000 grant from
>>the now defunct Institute of Arab Studies to write a book on the
>>Israeli invasion of Lebanon and, because Cockburn did not inform them,
>>editors of the _Village Voice_ "indefinitely suspended" him due to
>>"appearance of conflict [of interest] and nondisclosure."
>>
>>Not surprisingly, AIPAC was the source of the original _Phoenix_ story
>>
>>as well as Emerson's attack based on it in _The Wall Street Journal_.
>>Alan Lupo, _The Boston Phoenix_ reporter who broke the story back in
>>1984, said AIPAC had told him the Institute for Arab Studies was
>>"linked to a $100 million campaign to sway U.S. policy against
>>Israel."  In fact, the Institute had U.S. tax-exempt status and listed
>>individual contributors within the United States until it closed down
>>in 1983 due to a lack of funds.
>>
>>Deploring the AIPAC-generated "misinformation," editor David 
>>Schneiderman of the _Village Voice_ wrote on Jan. 24, 1984: "What
>>Cockburn did not do was take money from an 'Arab propaganda group.'
>>Moreover he was not 'bought'--he clearly received the grant because of
>>views he already firmly held. The _Phoenix_ offered no evidence that
>>the Institute [of Arab Studies] is anything more than what it purports
>>to be. And despite the reporter's clumsy attempt to say so, Arab does
>>not always equal Palestinian which does not always equal terrorist.
>>His unquestioned adoption of claims by the Anti-Defamation League and
>>the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, hardly disinterested
>>parties, is poor journalism."
>>
>>Even _The Wall Street Journal_, a newspaper with a demonstrated 
>>pro-Israel editorial bias, questioned the AIPAC-originated charges. In
>>a Jan. 13, 1984 editorial, _WSJ_ editor Robert Bartley wrote: "Among
>>all the things I can imagine Alex doing, this one seems fairly
>>innocuous... On all this we have no opinion, except that even Arabs
>>should enjoy freedom of speech."
>>
>> _The Wall Street Journal_ continued to run Cockburn's monthly column 
>>opposite the editorial page. Said the _Journal_, tongue only partly in
>>cheek, "We hired him because of his biases, which we're sure are
>>totally incorruptible."
>>
>>In both of the cases cited, AIPAC attempted to discredit critics of 
>>Israel not by refuting their arguments, but by trying to tie them to
>>Arab money. Making an Arab connection can damage the victim's
>>reputation, the pro-Israel lobby believes, so long as it can encourage
>>a mindset in the United States that anything Arab-related is tainted.
>>
>>Ironically, it is precisely the same kind of racist stereotype to
>>which the Jewish community is so sensitive, particularly the charge
>>that Jews exert tremendous influence through the use of their money.
>>Jewish organizations can and do talk about the power of "Arab money"
>>and "petro-dollars," yet are quick to decry as anti-Semitic similar
>>innuendo regarding Jewish financing.
>>
>>In another case, AIPAC executive director Dine asked Lewis to analyze 
>>the positions of Brookings Institution Middle East specialist Judith
>>Kipper. In an Aug. 17, 1990 memo, Lewis responded: "For the most part,
>>Kipper is extremely skillful in her writings and statements to avoid
>>being pinned down as 'anti-Israel.'  She often achieves her goals by
>>presenting the views of 'moderate Israelis' to state her case."
>>
>>In _The New Republic_, and ardently pro-Israel magazine, writer David 
>>Segal put a more positive spin on Kipper's views in its March 25, 1991
>>issue: 
>>
>>"Her analysis throughout the Gulf crisis said little about the
>>politics of the Middle East, but a great deal about the politics of
>>Judith Kipper. It's not that she's anti-Israel -- her criticism would
>>put her not far from the center of the Israeli Labor Party -- or that
>>she is pro-Arab. Rather, her politics stem from an unwavering
>>quasi-religious faith in the power of dialogue."
>>
>>There is no greater admission of guilt and wrongdoing than AIPAC's 
>>strenuous attempts to conceal its blacklisting activities. Senior
>>AIPAC officials fear that public outrage might follow disclosure of
>>their covert activities. The name change from "Opposition Research" to
>>"Policy Analysis" was designed to conceal AIPAC's surveillance,
>>monitoring, and intelligence-gathering operations. In an Aug 7, 1990
>>internal memorandum to Steve Rosen, AIPAC Foreign Policy Issues
>>director, Lewis boasted: 
>>
>>"There is no question that we exert a policy impact, but working
>>behind the scenes and taking care not to leave fingerprints, that
>>impact is not always traceable to us."
>>
>>As part of its intelligence-gathering operation, Policy Analysis has 
>>created a fictional person and a bogus company to infiltrate opposing 
>>organizations by paying membership dues or making donations to them.
>>This AIPAC creation is "Paul Hunt" of "Paul Hunt & Associates."  AIPAC
>>rents a post office box on Capitol Hill for Mr. Hunt's mail, and has
>>installed a separate Paul Hunt telephone line in the AIPAC office.
>>"Paul Hunt" has even been listed as a donor to the _Washington Report
>>on Middle East Affairs_. 
>>
>>Secret _Activities_
>>
>>Nowhere is secrecy more meticulously applied than to the production
>>and distribution of _Activities_, the weekly AIPAC publication which
>>disseminates information on individuals and organizations critical of
>>Israel or Israeli policies. Although _Activities_ is the most visible
>>product of its Policy Analysis section, AIPAC takes great pains to
>>hide its connection with _Activities_, in order to avoid the
>>controversy that arose over its blacklisting of "enemies" in its 1983
>>publication of _The Campaign to 
>>
>>
>>Discredit Israel_.
>>
>>
>> _Activities_' select and tightly controlled recipients are encouraged
>>to use the material as they see fit, "subject only to the provision
>>that AIPAC not be attributed as its source."  _Activities_ is
>>distributed to AIPAC's Washington and regional staff, its officers,
>>the major Jewish organizational leaders, Jewish Federations and
>>Community Relations Councils around the nation, pro-Israel activists
>>and academics.
>>
>>It also goes to the Israeli Embassy in Washington and to other
>>Israelis both in the U.S. and in Israel. AIPAC employees are not
>>permitted to take _Activities_ out of the office and may not mention
>>the existence of _Activities_ outside AIPAC's walls. A disquieting
>>breach of security was revealed at the 1990 national convention of the
>>American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) when that
>>organization's president, Abdeen Jabara, referred casually to having
>>received an AIPAC study entitled 
>>
>>
>>_Activities_.
>>
>>
>>Assessing the problem, Lewis wrote in an April 2, 1990 memorandum to 
>>Dine: "_Activities_ is distributed to some 400+ people, so it will
>>probably be impossible to trace the source of this leak. There is
>>nothing in _Activities_ which points to who is its originator and it
>>is sent out in plain envelopes, so the material obviously did not just
>>accidentally get passed on to ADC. This is the first time that any of
>>these groups have made any reference to their being in receipt of
>>_Activities_."
>>
>>Information contained in _Activities_ has been used by the National 
>>Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC), American Jewish 
>>Congress (AJC), Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), Committee for
>>Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (CAMERA), National Jewish
>>Coalition (NJC), and the Jewish Institute for National Security
>>Affairs (JINSA).
>>
>>According to Lewis: "Because _Activities_ is read by many of the major
>>
>>Jewish and pro-Israel organizational players, _Activities_ ensures
>>that there is a cognizance of the activities of the anti-Israel forces
>>both in Washington and the grassroots and the issues on which they are
>>focusing.
>>
>>Ultimately, of all the information disseminated from AIPAC,
>>_Activities_ may well be the most eagerly sought, read and used to
>>good advantage."
>>
>>One of the ways that this information was "used to good advantage" was
>>
>>in a 1990 American Jewish Congress fund-raising letter. It accused
>>Executive Director James Zogby of the Arab American Institute of "the
>>new anti-Semitism" (criticism of Israeli policies) and compared him
>>with white supremacist David Duke and black nationalist Rev. Louis
>>Farrakhan because Zogby criticized pro-Israel political action
>>committees. No sources were given in the letter for quotations
>>attributed to Zogby.
>>
>>When Zogby protested, AJC Executive Director Henry Siegman, whose name
>>
>>appeared at the bottom of the letter, denied prior knowledge of the
>>mailing and blamed overzealous fund-raisers for its wording.
>>_Washington Post_ columnist Richard Cohen wrote in an Oct. 3, 1990,
>>column, "There's no doubt in my mind that the American Jewish
>>Congress' letter writers went off half-cocked -- and without Siegman's
>>knowledge. "It might surprise Cohen to know that Siegman, not AJC's
>>fund-raisers, is one of the select recipients of AIPAC's _Activities_,
>>from which every one of the quotes attributed to Zogby had been taken.
>>
>>Nor, after publication of Cohen's article, was it some unnamed "letter
>>
>>writer" but Siegman, personally, who contacted AIPAC's Michael Lewis
>>for help in trying to build a case that Zogby was indeed an
>>"anti-Semite."  Lewis faxed an AIPAC "living memo" of Zogby's
>>statements, actions and affiliations to Siegman in New York.
>>
>>"I hope this information is of help," Lewis wrote on the cover sheet. 
>>
>>"The compilation as such should not be sent to Richard Cohen, and the 
>>information should not be attributed to AIPAC."
>>
>>Writing in the _Village Voice_ on Jan. 22, 1991, Nat Hentoff argued
>>that the AJC letter had "resurrected the spirit of Joe McCarthy."
>>Hentoff also quoted Zogby's reaction to his own personal ordeal with
>>neo-McCarthyism: 
>>
>>"When the ADL and AIPAC falsely and maliciously labeled me a
>>'terrorist member of the PLO' speaking engagements were canceled,
>>political candidates refused to associate with me, and my family and I
>>were harassed and threatened with violence. Now, I know that ADL and
>>AIPAC were not involved in the harassment or the violence -- but
>>vilification and scurrilous attacks of the sort they indulged in can
>>create the atmosphere in which ugly actions can occur."
>>
>>Siegman never apologized to Zogby for the actions of his "overzealous 
>>fund-raisers."
>>
>>
>> Disingenuous Disclaiming
>>
>>
>>AIPAC is careful never to advocate specific actions to be taken
>>against individuals and organizations named in _Activities_. In fact,
>>it puts on the front cover of every edition the disingenuous
>>disclaimer that "the inclusion of material in _Activities_ implies
>>neither endorsement nor criticism of any group."  By distributing
>>derogatory allegations about critics of Israel, however, AIPAC in
>>effect tells pro-Israel activists, "Here are the people who are your
>>enemies -- now go out and do something about it!"
>>
>>AIPAC's Policy Analysis section works closely with its college liaison
>>department, the Political Leadership Development Program (PLDP). When
>>AIPAC is informed of an upcoming speech by an "anti-Israel"
>>personality, summaries of that person's standard arguments,
>>question-and-answer style, and a list of possibly damaging quotations
>>are sent to pro-Israel activists at the host institution, who also are
>>asked to send tapes or accounts of the speech back to AIPAC. AIPAC
>>also draws up questions for "plants" in the audience, and suggests
>>other strategies suited to the particular venue.
>>
>>Typical of this kind of preparation was a confidential memo sent in
>>1985 to AIPAC opposition researcher Anna Gottlieb by AIPAC regional
>>director Murray Wood in Los Angeles. For an October 20th "Conference
>>on Peace With Justice in the Middle East" at Mira Costa College,
>>arrangements were made to "monitor the conference...have a corps of
>>'our' people in the audience, well-trained and briefed...call a
>>meeting with the local ADL and American Jewish Committee directors to
>>develop a coordinated strategy...(and provide) background material" on
>>the speakers.
>>
>>Human rights activist Noam Chomsky, a linguistics professor at 
>>Massachusetts Institute of Technology, described the ADL file compiled
>>on him: "It's just like an FBI file -- 150 pages of material, clips
>>from newspapers and inter-office memos saying I was going to show up
>>at this or that place, surveillance of talks I have given,
>>characterization of what was said in the talks [often falsified]. All
>>this material goes into a central source. Then when I give a talk
>>somewhere, my file will be given to the appropriate local group, who
>>will be able to dig through it, and come up with statements that I
>>allegedly made at some time during the last 15 years to be publicized
>>in unsigned pamphlets."
>>
>>Under lock and key in the office of Michael Lewis are literally
>>hundreds and hundreds of such files on people and organizations that
>>AIPAC deems to be "anti-Israel."  Among politicians upon whom such
>>files exist are former Bush administration White House Chief of Staff
>>John Sununu, former Reagan administration secretaries of defense
>>Caspar Weinberger and Frank Carlucci, former President Jimmy Carter
>>and former Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern, Senate
>>Minority Leader Robert Dole, Republican Senate John Chafee, House
>>Majority Whip David Bonior, and Democratic Representatives John
>>Conyers, John Dingell, Mervyn Dymally, Mary Rose Oakar, Nick Joe
>>Rahall, James Traficant and many others.
>>
>> The largest file that AIPAC keeps on any single person is that of 
>>District of Columbia "Shadow Senator" Jesse Jackson. While AIPAC's 
>>surveillance and monitoring is mostly confined to an individual's 
>>professional statements and activities, in Jackson's case, AIPAC was
>>caught venturing into personal innuendo. As revealed by CBS' "60
>>Minutes," an internal AIPAC memorandum dated Nov. 3, 1987 proposed
>>generating media interest in allegations that Jackson had extramarital
>>affairs.
>>
>>AIPAC also maintains files on what it characterizes as "anti-Israel" 
>>journalists to stifle open media discussion on the Middle East. AIPAC 
>>maintains files on Peter Jennings, Mike Wallace, Patrick Buchanan,
>>Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, Thomas Friedman, Anthony Lewis,
>>Richard Cohen, Carl Rowan, Alexander Cockburn and Joseph Sobran, among
>>others.
>>
>>Reminiscent of Senator Joe McCarthy's scouring of Hollywood for 
>>"communists," and their "fellow travelers" in the entertainment
>>industry, AIPAC also has opened files on Ed Asner, Woody Allen,
>>Richard Dreyfus, Vanessa Redgrave, Casey Kasem, Mike Farrell, Barbra
>>Streisand, Michael Moore, Peter Yarrow, and many more.
>>
>> 
>>"Have You No Shame?"
>>
>>
>> In the spring of 1954, a nationwide audience watching the televised
>>Army-McCarthy hearings sat transfixed as Boston attorney Joseph Welch
>>stood to demand of Senator McCarthy, "Sir, have you no shame?"  Only
>>after that dramatic confrontation, pictured over and over as
>>intimidated journalists and politicians finally dared to speak out,
>>did the shadow of "McCarthyism" slowly recede from American public
>>life.
>> 
>>Today, some Jewish organizations finally are asking that same question
>>of the Israel lobby. Two years ago, several local Jewish community
>>relations organizations issued a statement condemning an attack by the
>>hard-line Americans For A Safe Israel (AFSI) against the New Israel
>>Fund (NIF).
>> 
>>This local initiative inspired a resolution adopted nationally by the
>>National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council (NJCRAC)
>>condemning the "McCarthy-like" tactics used by some Jewish
>>organizations. The resolution proposed guidelines for dealing with
>>"the right of dissent" on Israeli policies, and emphasized the
>>importance of open and thoughtful exchange in an atmosphere of "mutual
>>tolerance and civility."  However, while NJCRAC denounced such fringe
>>groups as AFSI, it failed to address the problem of neo-McCarthyism
>>within more mainstream Jewish organizations.
>>
>>AIPAC and ADL must be held accountable by the organized American
>>Jewish community for their blacklisting and smear tactics and for the
>>climate of hatred and repression they have created. Let American
>>Jewish organizations demand that AIPAC stop circulation of its
>>blacklists and destroy the files it keeps on the "enemies of Israel."
>>
>>Only if Americans refuse to be silenced by false charges of hatred and
>>racism can there be free and open debate on U.S. policy in the Middle
>>East.  
>>
>>And only through such debate will the U.S. be able to contribute
>>toward a lasting solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.
>>
>>[Gregory D. Slabodkin, a free-lance writer in Washington, DC, was an
>>opposition researcher for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee
>>(AIPAC) in 1990 and 1991.]
>>
>>Call the American Educational Trust TOLL-FREE at 1-800-368-5788 or
>>write: American Educational Trust P.O. Box 53062 Washington, DC 20009
>>
>> NOTE: They may still be giving out free sample copies of _The
>>Washington Report on Middle East Affairs_.  Ask for one!   * END
>>
>>
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On Tue, 06 Oct 1998 15:37:42 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>
>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>
>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:
>>>
>Orest Slepokura  wrote:
>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...
>
>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>
>The Kastner Case
>
>                              
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>                              The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations.
>
>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You
>>>can
>>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the
>>>deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>>>of 
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>>Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>>Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>>>Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower
>>>these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>>who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations...these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride
>>>to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in
>>>Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this
>>>as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>>dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its
>>>fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>>Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>>catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>>great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>>would
>>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>>the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation
>>>into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis
>>>promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian
>>>Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>>Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>>and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>>and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>>from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>>put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>>only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly
>>>to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
>>>June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>'new
>>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of
>>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner's
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>>the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>>remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>>minute
>>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>>truth -
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in
>>>the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no
>>>good
>>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his
>>>personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>>contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good
>>>faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's
>>>affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a
>>>war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his
>>>statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds
>>>as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>>libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed.
>>>What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here
>>>in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>>>was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the 
>>>name 
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court -
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>>found
>>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted
>>>Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>>prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>>end of
>>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This
>>>vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without
>>>any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in
>>>Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>>>Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>>the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can
>>>properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>>from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>>Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>>say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>>Jews
>>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>>plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>>>the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>>is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>>its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>>his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>>disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>>blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing
>>>with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>>District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>>his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>>at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>>from a
>>>moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>>one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>>Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>>hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>>warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>>Hungary
>>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>>>Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>>many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their
>>>knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>>a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>>here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an
>>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>>of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>>few -
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>>collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even
>>>though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>>decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>>the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>>able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery,
>>>etc. -
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>>certainty
>>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>>rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>>he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>>of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>>a
>>>claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>>come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>>individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>>patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>>operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>>this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>>to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>>the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>>and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>>the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>>activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>>>revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs
>>>of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>>which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>>>the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>>>rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't
>>>base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>>is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>>retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>                         
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>>been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>>collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>>remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>>an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of
>>>what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>>trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the 
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>>in
>>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March
>>>1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings
>>>were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was
>>>delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).
>
>
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On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:13:12 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On 02 May 1998 16:44:09 GMT, panjanusz@aol.com (Pan Janusz) wrote:
>
>>Translated from Polish:
>
>>Reprinted from "Polish Weekly"  published in Australia.
>
>>Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued the extradition papers
>>for war criminal Samuel Morel. Polish authorities will ask authorities in
>>Israel to extradite Morel.
>>Morel is accused of "cruel treatment and tortures of prisoners and jeopardizing
>>their safety and health." Using common language, between years 1945-1950 he was
>>beating prisoners, torturing and killing them.
>
>>Morel was born in 1919, from 1940 was a member of Jewish band which was
>>assaulting Polish villages in province of Kielce and robbing Polish farmers. In
>>December of 1942 during one of their assaults the band was destroyed by a
>>detachment of People's Army ( communist guerillas in nazi occupied Poland).
>>Father and brother of Morel were executed, he alone became a member of the
>>People's Army. He defected from the group when Red Army was inching toward
>>province of Kielce and became a member of Soviet guerillas.
>>Soon he became an officer of UB (communist Security Office in Soviet occupied
>>Poland).
>>In the beginning of 1945 he was sent to the region of Silesia and received the
>>nomination on the camp commandant for Germans in Swietochlowice.
>> About his crime committed in this camp wrote, among others, an American
>>journalist John Sack in his book "Eye for an eye" ( for this book John Sack who
>>is a Jew was decalred an antisemite).
>>In the end of December of 1945 Morel had been transferred and became a warden
>>of the UB prison in Opole. There he tortured Poles and Germans. He also
>>tortured minors in the labor camp in Jaworzno which he was a commandant between
>>1946-1950. He was fired from this post, for mortality among prisoners was too
>>big. 
>
>>In 1991 he was interviewed by a prosecutor, panicked and fled to Israel.
>>After spending all his money, within few months he returned to Poland, but soon
>>he surfaced in Sweden where he demanded political asylum argumenting that he
>>was persecuted in Poland because he was a Jew. His plea was rejected and Morel
>>again came back to Poland. 
>>On 10th of July Office of the Provincial Prosecutor in Katowice issued arrest
>>warrant. They were late. Morel again fled to Israel.
>>His retirement pention is being picked up by the wife of the criminal.
>>Since 1996 Morel is on the most wanted list of the INTERPOL.
>>According to international law he should be arrested by Israeli police and
>>charged by Israel with war crimes.
>>He should.....
>
>>Translated by Janusz Styber
>



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On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, "((((())))))"
> wrote:
>
>>The Kastner Case
>>
>>                              
>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about
>>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the Supreme
>>Court of Israel.
>>
>>                              The Accusations
>>
>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse certain
>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went
>>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>
>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany 
>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, 
>>pp261-2)
>>
>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions' published in
>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep
>>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>high for me.
>>
>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>
>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You can
>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>
>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase of 
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>
>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>>                                The Verdict
>>
>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>carefully.
>>
>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>
>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>
>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>such false information and did not protest.
>>
>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>
>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>the deportation orders.
>>
>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations...these
>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>
>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>easier.
>>
>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S. 
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.
>>
>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total annihilation.
>>
>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>the German Satan.
>>
>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>the book of the living.
>>
>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and put
>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>evade this truth.
>>
>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>1955).
>>
>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the 'new
>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.
>>
>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of
>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.
>>
>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner
>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner's
>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>
>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the
>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were
>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>
>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when
>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed the
>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the defense to
>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove
>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>
>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.
>>
>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his testimony
>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute
>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming truth -
>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up
>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the
>>affidavit.
>>
>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to
>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good
>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>intention of good Becher'.
>>
>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his
>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World
>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate
>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal
>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions
>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith
>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's affidavit
>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war
>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>
>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his
>>statements." 
>>
>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel
>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered
>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as
>>court costs.
>>
>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to
>>much more than that.
>>
>>But the story does not end there.
>> 
>>The Reaction
>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now
>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>
>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>Government of Israel.
>>
>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>
>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>
>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead
>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government
>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed. What
>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on
>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>
>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of
>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was
>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>
>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National
>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in
>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>
>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration was
>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>leadership.
>>
>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But
>>the story gets worse.
>>
>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a 
>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the 
>>name 
>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>
>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court -
>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>rehabilitated'.
>>
>>                        
>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these
>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found
>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of
>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>
>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the
>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove
>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner.
>>They joined him.
>>
>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>Chesin:
>>
>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj,
>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of
>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This vivid
>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>protocol 465).
>>
>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The Jews
>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither
>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the
>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly
>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when
>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from
>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even
>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say
>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews
>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to
>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission - the
>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not
>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its
>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his
>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose
>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody
>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of
>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with
>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District
>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his
>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a
>>moral and public point of view...
>>
>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who
>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one
>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton,
>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of
>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn
>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>
>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary
>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>
>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the Hungarian
>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many
>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their knowledge of
>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>train for Palestine.
>>
>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is 
>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the
>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a
>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here
>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>guilt of others....
>>
>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an
>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of
>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few -
>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating
>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in
>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>
>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such
>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation
>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive
>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the
>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able
>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of
>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. -
>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty
>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue
>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he
>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as
>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a
>>claim of such good faith...
>>
>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die
>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come
>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual
>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He
>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete
>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation
>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was
>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner
>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this
>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the
>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the
>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and
>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting
>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity.
>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>
>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>
>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small revolts,
>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs of
>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which
>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>
>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or the
>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder.
>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>evidence for this.
>>
>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of
>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of rescuing
>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't base
>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is
>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive
>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>
>>                         
>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their
>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been
>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration
>>with the Nazis.
>>
>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>
>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with
>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave
>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain
>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an
>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West
>>Germany.
>>
>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the
>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure
>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what
>>might come out.
>>
>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue
>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial .
>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the 
>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>Palestine.
>>
>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was
>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in
>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957
>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were
>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the
>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).



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On Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:27:17 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:33:07 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote:
>
>>This article is recovered from dejanews, and merits discussion again
>>
>>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 08:54:52 +1000, petermac@dynamite.com.au (Peter
>>Mackay) wrote:
>>>In article ,
>>>s.souter@edfac.usyd.edu.au (Stephen Souter) wrote:
>>>>} Something about a "list", wasn't it?
>>>>Spindler's List
>>
>>You mean Swindler's List, or perhaps Libeler's List??
>>
>>>Peter Mackay, Campbell
>>>Peter Lucas, Bulimba
>>>petermac@dynamite.com.au
>>>http://www.netinfo.com.au/~petermac
>>
>>For the benefit of those able to read, enjoy the following:
>>
>>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998 00:03:14 GMT, peterjames@usa.net (Peter James)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:34:22 +1000, Brian 
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 1998 09:36:20 +1000, Brian 
>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>> >On Sat, 4 Jul 1998, Peter James wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> I have a question:
>>
>>>>> >[snip]
>>>*******************************************************************************************
>>>(PJ)
>> 
>>>>> And were you indicting the Israelis on a charge of "Genocide" against
>>>>> the Palestinian Nation?
>>
>>
>>>(BR)
>>>>	Essentially, yes, I was.   I made and still do make the point 
>>>>that all too often the Israelis have engaged in making use of the same 
>>>>tactics against the Palestinians as the Nazis did against the Jews and 
>>>>other occupied peoples of Europe.
>>
>>Come to think of it, last year there was amajor news story, detailing
>>the active involvement of JEWs with Hitler's military!!!
>>
>>article follows
>>
>>On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:03:42 GMT, torquemada@inquisition.org decided
>>to say, in soc.culture.malaysia, using 202 valuable lines of text:
>>
>>>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:27:32 -0600, bushbadee@juno.com wrote:
>>>>In article <353fd933.625226@news.datanet.ab.ca>, torquemada@inquisition.org
>>>>writes:
>>
>>>>>n the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>>And you ass hole worship a Jew, so what does that make you.
>>
>>>Actually Christ was murdered by the JEWs, because he exposed their
>>>criminal activities, even the money-changing in the temples!!!
>>
>>Christ was legally executed  by the Romans at the instigation of some
>>Jews, if the NT is to be believed. Christ himself was a Jew. The
>>activities of the money changers, while perhaps in bad taste, clearly
>>weren't illegal.
>>
>>>As for the JEWs active in the Nazi military, there are many documented
>>>reports to prove this!!!
>>
>>but quite by chance you forgot to post a reference. 
>>
>>If you know how to read, then READ the report by Professor Rigg, and
>>other references  below, cited.
>>
>>>The TRUTH about the many hundreds of thousands of JEWS who were active
>>>in the Nazi military is well documented, both from records of the
>>>Germans, together with documents from the JEWS themselves!!!
>>
>>>After all, the JEWS worship mammon, so why not make money??
>>
>>>On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:37:49 -0700, irgun43@mail.earthlink.net wrote:
>>
>>>>Sir,
>>>>  You shame yourself and your Japanese nation by spreading such lies.
>>>>  If you're saying that a few Jews tried to escape being killed by
>>>>pretending to be Germans in the Nazi army, that could be possible. What
>>>>you are saying is that Jews in great numbers willingly fought with those
>>>>who were killing them. That is a lie and you know it. Do you enjoy being
>>>>an open liar?
>>>>                               irgun43
>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:38:19 +0700, "Hasan"  wrote: 
>>>>> >Yesss!
>>
>>>>> >They killed Jesus and now killing many Palestinian BOYS (once again BOYS)
>>>>> >and reporters who try to record their barbarity, and like Nazi’s who feel
>>>>> >superior by saying “DEUTSCHE UBER ALLES”, the Jews claim themselves as
>>>>> >“CHOSEN PEOPLE.”
>>
>>>>> >So, the Jews are nothing but a bunch of racists or fascists.
>>
>>>>> From doc_tavish@nonspam.bigfoot.com Sun Jan 25 17:14:46 1998
>>>>> Based on previous post from DejaNews archives:
>>
>>>>> http://x1.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=315100303&CONTEXT=885769316.1533018197&hitnum=0
>>
>>>>> On 11 Jan 1998 04:22:13 GMT, billbrtn@aol.com (BillBrtn) wrote:
>>
>>>>> >> Adolf Hitler had some Jews in his inner circle
>>
>>>>> http://www.viamall.com/ihf/653.html
>>
>>>>> This is the extraordinary story of Henry (Heinz) von Javorsky, a man
>>>>> who has survived and thrived in many lands and under many regimes
>>>>> because of his skill with a camera. In Nazi Germany he was able to
>>>>> make a living--and live--despite having a Jewish grandmother, because
>>>>> he was a specialist in aerial photography--
>>
>>>>> >>: Jews that had Iron Crosses and/or had proven their
>>>>> >>loyalty to Germany were not harassed by the Gestapo, the SS or the SA.
>>
>>>>> You need to read about the Hindenburg exemption in Lucy Dawidowicz's
>>>>> book The War Against The Jews.
>>
>>>>> Lucy S. Dawidowicz's book titled THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS1933-1945 by
>>>>> Bantam Books Incorporated [#13084-6, 1979 ed].
>>
>>>>> * April 7, 1933 Hitler's letter to Hindenburg gave exemptions to
>>>>> the "Jewish Problem." "Officials who were already employed as civil
>>>>> servants on or before August 1, 1914, or who during the World War,
>>>>> fought at the front for Germany or her allies, or whose fathers or
>>>>> sons were killed in action in the World War." (pg 77)
>>>>> * ["Starting May 4, 1942, the Jews from Germany, Luxembourg, Vienna,
>>>>> and Prague would be deported, except for the employed among them
>>>>> and the holders of the Iron Cross or other World War I decorations.
>>>>> Hitherto, those Jews as a group had been exempt from the
>>>>> deportations."]
>>
>>                         ____________________________
>>
>>>>> Or how about this?
>>
>>>>>                                        Hitler's Jewish Army
>>
>>>>> "If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing
>>>>> what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that
>>>>> is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of
>>>>> the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.
>>
>>>>> Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge and approval.
>>
>>>>> Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish
>>>>> ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field
>>>>> marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant
>>>>> generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."
>>
>>>>> [ http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html ]
>>
>>>>> In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were
>>>>> awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.
>>
>>>>> One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of
>>>>> northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and
>>>>> practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.
>>
>>>>> One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe
>>>>> Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish identity circulated
>>>>> widely in Germany in the 1930s.
>>
>>>>> In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's
>>>>> birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi
>>>>> high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew and who is an
>>>>> Aryan.''
>>
>>>>> Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by
>>>>> German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was
>>>>> in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.
>>
>>>>> Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to
>>>>> Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German
>>>>> officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch,
>>>>> whose father was a Jew.
>>
>>>>> Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto
>>>>> police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).
>> 
>>>>> So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all
>>>>> Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against
>>>>> Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?
>> 
>>>>> Sources:
>> 
>>>>> William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles
>>>>> Times, Dec. 24, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler,"
>>>>> Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.
>>
>>>>> Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.
>>>>> http://www.abbc.com/aaargh/engl/zad/zad13.html
>>
>>>>> Article " Hitler's Jewish Army" from:
>>>>> http://www.hoffman-info.com/jewishnazi.html
>>
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html97/altnazi_040397.html 
>>>>> Copyright © 1997 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Thursday, April 3, 1997
>> 
>>>>> Hitler let `Aryanized' Jews serve in Nazi armed forces
>>>>> by Reuters
>>
>>>>> BONN - Adolf Hitler personally allowed at least 77 army officers of
>>>>> Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in
>>>>> the German Wehrmacht during World War II, an American historian said
>>>>> yesterday...... [Click the above link to see all of the story.]
>> 
>>>>> See also:
>>>>> http://www.seattletimes.com/extra/browse/html/holo_122696.html
>>>>> Copyright © 1996 The Seattle Times Company
>>
>>>>> Dec. 26, 1996
>>
>>>>> An eerie part of Holocaust history: Researcher talks to Jews who
>>>>> served in Nazi army
>>
>>>>> by William D. Montalbano
>>>>> Los Angeles Times
>>
>>>>> LONDON - Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of
>>>>> mission, Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man's land
>>>>> of Holocaust history.
>>
>>>>> Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of
>>>>> them high-ranking officers, who fought for Nazi Germany in World War
>>>>> II - during the Holocaust, when Germans killed 6 million Jews.
>>
>>>>> "Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis
>>>>> called `full Jews' served in the military with Adolf Hitler's
>>>>> knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time
>>>>> exterminated their families," Rigg said. [Click link above to read the
>>>>> whole story.]
>>>>> 
>>>>>  http://infoukes.com/lists/history/1997/08/0004.html
>>
>>>Quite.      Glad we can agree on something.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>****************************************************************************************
>>>
>>>Mr Leibler:    you have chosen to gratuitously & viciously persecute
>>>a defenceless minority of Australians  -    who are innocent of any
>>>wrong-doing  -  on purely political grounds;  by publishing to the
>>>world, their names & residential suburbs in your magazine.
>>>
>>>In the interests of "balance", would you now care to publish to the
>>>world,  the names & residential suburbs of those Australian residents
>>>& citizens who are bankrolling the "Genocide" of the Palestinian
>>>Nation;  with a higher financial contribution per capita, than any
>>>other members of your diaspora, on the Planet.
>>>
>>>You say you have a deep & abiding concern for "political
>>>transparency":    lets see you really put your publishing skills
>>>where your mouth is...
>>>
>>>cheers,          PJ
>>
>>Better yet, publish a list of all those businesses owned or/and
>>controlled by Jews, in Australia, USA, GB, Germany, France and Russia.
>>
>>Let the world see who is really controlling world affairs, even before
>>the year 2000!!!



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On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:14:27 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:22:18 GMT, doc_tavish@DELETEME.bigfoot.com (Doc
>Tavish) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:28:08 -0400, The Truth of HateWatchWatch
>> wrote:
>>
>>>McVay is just trying to make money off his people being killed in the holacaust.
>>>I think that is damnable, but jews seems to want to profit from the holacaust.
>>
>>They also like holding the "holacaust" up in front of everyone because
>>it covers for what they did to Gentiles during their Genocidal
>>Bolshevik Revolution. Never forget this and be sure to visit and
>>support all the soon to be Doc Tavish Library branches. Each site is
>>equally worth of support and encouragement!
>>
>>					Doc Tavish
>>
>>----
>>Visit the Official Doc Tavish Libraries at:
>>http://www.crusader.net/texts/cng/doc
>>http://?????????? nearly finished!
>>http://???? number 3 starting construction!
>>Fourth Branch Being Considered!!



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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:48 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
 wrote:

>============
>Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>
>Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres. 
>Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>presently in Lithuania.
>
>But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei. 
>They were ususally not armed, and when armed never given more than five
>bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>(as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>the genocide.
>
>On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>
>But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>closed.
>
>While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>intelligentia clamored for the police work.  
>
>Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>
>-------------
>Jozef Pawlikowski
>
>We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>
>------------
>
>
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), cz mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), czy mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/



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This smells like another swindle by criminals trying to get more
criminals and other undesirables into Canada!!!

Legitimate, qualified individuals do not need to pay scammers to apply
to emigrate to canada.

Only those unsuited, and unqualified, need pay for the service, which
is available FREE at all Canada immigration offices!!!!


By the way, since when is the appellation "attorney at law" legal in
Canada??



On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 03:48:00 -0500, "Guy P. Major, Attorney at Law"
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>Established Canadian Law Firm seeks reputable business/professional
>partner for the processing of Canadian immigration applications.
>Please reply in writing to:
>
>LAW FIRM OF GUY P. MAJOR
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On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:31:48 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
 wrote:

>============
>Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>
>Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres. 
>Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>presently in Lithuania.
>
>But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei. 
>They were ususally not armed, and when armed never given more than five
>bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>(as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>the genocide.
>
>On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>
>But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>closed.
>
>While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>intelligentia clamored for the police work.  
>
>Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>
>-------------
>Jozef Pawlikowski
>
>We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>
>------------
>
>
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), cz mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/
>Julian Ilicki wrote:
>> 
>> W ostatnim czasie poruszalo sie tutaj nieco sprawe granatowej policji.
>> Czy ktos wie jak odbywala sie rekrutacja do tej policji? Czy byla to po
>> prostu policja przedwojenna ktora pod innym dowodztwem i w innych mundurach
>> kontynuowala swoja dzialalnosc z okresu przedwojennego? A jezeli tak, to
>> czy przedwojenni policjanci byli zmuszeni do pozostawania w szeregach
>> granatowej policji (i jakimi sankcjami sie to wymuszalo), czy mogli moze
>> policje opuscic po kampanii wrzesniowej? Czy odbywala sie rekrutacja nowych
>> policjantow podczas okupacji i w jaki sposob? Co sie z tymi ludzmi stalo po
>> wojnie? I skad sie bierze nazwa "granatowa policja" - czy od kolorow
>> mundurow?
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Julian Ilicki, Ph.D.                 e-mail: julian.ilicki@soc.uu.se
>> Uppsala Univ., Dept. of Sociology, Box 821, S-751 08 Uppsala, Sweden
>> voice, office: +46 - 18 4711513      voice, private: +46 - 18 204747
>> fax, Dept.:    +46 - 18 4711170      cellular:      +46 - 70 7533731
>>               http://www.soc.uu.se/staff/julian_i.html
>>                     http://www.soc.uu.se/~julian/



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On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:00:33 -0600, someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>In view of the well documented fact that almost half of the 600,000 JEWS
>in Germany prior to WWII were then in the German military, onemust
>consider whether these JEWS working for Hitler, were in fact a positive
>role model???
>
>
>
>PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>> 
>> Positive Jewish role models
>> 
>> Alan Silver.. wrote:
>> >
>> > once again, your point is extremely obscure, and irrelevant.  Whatever
>> > collaboration there may have been, even if it was entirely voluntary, does
>> > not for an instant excuse the crimes of the nazis and their collaborators
>> > -- crimes against Jews or Poles or others they used as slave labor, or
>> > whatever.
>> =========
>> Dear Alan,
>> 
>> Thank you for your email.  I am posting your letter, while removing your
>> signature.
>> 
>> You are absolutely correct on the collaboration of Jews with the Nazis.
>> Yes, it is hardly significant.  The fact that some Jews collaborated and
>> were bad (or HORRIBLY BAD) is the favorite argument of anti-Semites.
>> Sure there were BAD Jews but perhaps in equal numbers BAD Poles
>> Ukrainians and Germans.  We use the above factual anti-Semitic argument
>> very infrequently, since we are not anti-Semites.
>> 
>> actually, we are true philo-Semite, who LOVE Jewish culture, tradition
>> and admire Jewish achievements world over.  (And yes I am jelous of it
>> in a benign manner, like I am jelous of my billionaire neighbors here in
>> Greenwich while I can not afford to buy a house.)
>> 
>> Out of this admiration (of even Jewish kitchen i.e. sweets) I feel that
>> Jews should be warned about their pathological dependece on fictitious
>> martyrology.  The myth of Massada has been debunked about two years ago
>> by Israeli archeologists.  It is about the time that the mythical parts
>> of the WW II Holocasut should be also debunked, especially those which
>> defame Poles and Ukrainians of whom 2,000 lost lives for hiding and
>> helping Jews.
>> 
>> Thus it is important to find the first and subsequent mass graves and
>> bones of the 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the time to cremate.
>> 
>> Thus it is important that Jews LOUDLY refute that in Yedvabne Polish
>> boys decapitated Jewish maidens in July 1941 and used their heads to
>> play soccer and their parents burned alive 1,600 of the Yedvabne Jews in
>> a barn on July 11, 19941.
>> 
>> Equally imoportant is to prove and refute the fact that Poles killed
>> 42-70 Jews in 1946 in Kielce or 5,000 during 1945-1946 throught Poland.
>> 
>> Simultaneously we attempt to convince you to raise your youth on the
>> countless positive Jewish role models starting from B. Spoinoza and many
>> many others.  My favorites are Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan and perhaps Y.
>> Rubin.
>> ------------
>> Jozef pawlikowski
>> 
>> >
>> > ----------
>> > > From: PAWLIKOWSKI 
>> > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish; soc.culture.jewish; soc.culture.russian
>> > > Subject: Re: Jewish police zyd. Ordnungdienst
>> > > Date: September 30, 1997 11:35 AM
>> > >
>> > > Rostyk Lewyckyj wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > In article <342291F3.2133@mindspring.com>,  
>> > wrote:
>> > > > |
>> > > > |PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>> > > > |> On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in
>> > which
>> > > > |> service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.
>> > Their
>> > > > |> emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of
>> > these
>> > > > |> Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18%
>> > with
>> > > > |> post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>> > > > |> education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war
>> > questionaries.
>> > > > |>
>> > > > |> But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>> > > > |> Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page
>> > 489
>> > > > |> of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>> > > > |> journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were
>> > fired
>> > > > |> from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>> > > > |> closed.
>> > > > |
>> > > > |The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>> > > > |longer or die now!
>> > > >
>> > > >   Herman
>> > > >   Will you allow the same explanation when it is used by a Ukrainian,
>> > Polack,
>> > > >   Balt or other untermensh who was made to serve as a policeman or camp
>> > > >   guard for the Nazis in the Reich? I believe that the USA, Canadian,
>> > and
>> > > >   other countries immigration services are urged by the Jewish
>> > community
>> > > >   not to accept this explanation and to persecute such individuals,
>> > unless
>> > > >   they happen to be jews.
>> > > >
>> > > > |Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>> > > > |ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>> > > >
>> > > > |> While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>> > > > |> intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>> > > >
>> > > > |> Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>> > > > |> description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place
>> > in
>> > > > |> Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly
>> > in
>> > > > |> Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching
>> > behind
>> > > > |> three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols
>> > facing
>> > > > |> Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced
>> > into
>> > > > |> the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>> > > > |>
>> > > >   What if anything does the commentary accompanying this film, (surely
>> > > >   there is a commentary?), say about these policemen? Does it label
>> > them
>> > > >   with any nationality?
>> > > >
>> > > >   --Rostyk
>> > > ===============
>> > > to get the sound track one would have to purchase copy of the film.
>> > > Research costs $$$.  Would you donate $50.00 to this purchase for
>> > > starters.
>> > >
>> > > There is little doubt that these were Jews hanging Jews.  I can make out
>> > > stars of David on their armbands
>> > > ----------
>> > > J



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On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:09:41 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
> wrote:
>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>> someone@somewhere.com wrote:

>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>> > allegedly died in WWII.

>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?

>>> J.B.

>>=================
>>Presence of Jews in Hitler's army clearly rules out the story of
>>exterminatinon.  Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.

>>They have not done it ... little chance that there was Jewish genocide. 
>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>chance to cremate.

>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?

>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet.  Being so
>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world.  While
>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.

>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>reproduced.  In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.

>>But I do not worry about that.  Mere forty years of education given to
>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.

>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>Pawlikowski



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On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, white_guy88@hotmail.com (Lenny)
wrote:
>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
> wrote:
>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>
>>> Dear Sir,
>>>      I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>      However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>      people.
>>>      No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>      They come illegally into Israel.
>>>       Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>                                            irgun43

>>   Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don't
>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand. 

>> "They come illegally ..."  Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>> illegaly.

>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel,  and although brothels are 
>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach. 
>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn't appear to be the case
>> in Israel. 
>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.

> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it's host.
> May the white people of the world wake up before it's too late!
 



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On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:48:04 GMT, sbjarnason@heimat.zhid.org wrote:

>On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:09:51 -0800, "((((())))))"
> wrote:
>
>>The Kastner Case
>>
>>                              
>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that involving
>>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>
>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have, are
>>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about
>>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and
>>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the Supreme
>>Court of Israel.
>>
>>                              The Accusations
>>
>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>
>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British Medical
>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>>
>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse certain
>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>
>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of silence.
>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all Jews
>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I was
>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann
>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner went
>>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>
>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and took
>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid bargaining
>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany 
>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, 
>>pp261-2)
>>
>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions' published in
>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>
>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander stands
>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I wanted
>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a
>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep
>>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It
>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not too
>>high for me.
>>
>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke
>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>
>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>
>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand
>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You can
>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation
>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>
>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase of 
>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>
>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>
>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more than
>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>>                                The Verdict
>>
>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the panel
>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953. The
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be studied
>>carefully.
>>
>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of confidence
>>in the false information that they were being transferred to Kenyermeze.
>>
>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had they
>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>
>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and others
>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the Jews.
>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help of
>>Jewish leaders.
>>
>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local leaders
>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were spreading
>>such false information and did not protest.
>>
>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>
>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or hampering
>>the deportation orders.
>>
>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few dozen
>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower these few
>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>
>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the Jews in
>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>
>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn their
>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders who
>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of deportations...these
>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride to
>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>
>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of extermination
>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in Budapest
>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this as a
>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured, dependent on
>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its fatal
>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish
>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>
>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in Jewry
>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>
>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their task
>>easier.
>>
>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S. 
>>chiefs.
>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>underground.
>>
>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the Nazis
>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish Rescue
>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>
>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by these
>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>
>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his friends
>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total annihilation.
>>
>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save six
>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed to him
>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a great
>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that would
>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and the
>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>
>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his soul to
>>the German Satan.
>>
>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in order
>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement between
>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation into
>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis promised
>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian Jews
>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that Kastner
>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp and
>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents and
>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out from
>>the book of the living.
>>
>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and put
>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not only
>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>
>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort to
>>evade this truth.
>>
>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the wall
>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly to
>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem, June 22,
>>1955).
>>
>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the 'new
>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>
>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>
>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>Jews.
>>
>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent of
>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>criminals.
>>
>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so Kastner
>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>
>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna. Kastner's
>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>
>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department, the
>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>
>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S. were
>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>
>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>
>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court when
>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed the
>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>
>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the defense to
>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to remove
>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>
>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>criminal.
>>
>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his testimony
>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last minute
>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming truth -
>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>
>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never stood up
>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in the
>>affidavit.
>>
>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews but to
>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no good
>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>intention of good Becher'.
>>
>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in his
>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World
>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not exaggerate
>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his personal
>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the contradictions
>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good faith
>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's affidavit
>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a war
>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>
>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of his
>>statements." 
>>
>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of libel
>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also ordered
>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds as
>>court costs.
>>
>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial pointed to
>>much more than that.
>>
>>But the story does not end there.
>> 
>>The Reaction
>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>
>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary know now
>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>
>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>Government of Israel.
>>
>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>
>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>
>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial, instead
>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>
>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the government
>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed. What
>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an appeal on
>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>
>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General of
>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel was
>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>
>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish National
>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here in
>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>
>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration was
>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>leadership.
>>
>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court. But
>>the story gets worse.
>>
>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a 
>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in the 
>>name 
>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully rehabilitated'.
>>
>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower court -
>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>rehabilitated'.
>>
>>                        
>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging these
>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two, found
>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted Greenwald of
>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>
>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is the
>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that prove
>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>
>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate Kastner.
>>They joined him.
>>
>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>Chesin:
>>
>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in Kluj,
>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the end of
>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This vivid
>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without any
>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in Budapest,
>>protocol 465).
>>
>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The Jews
>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable, neither
>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to the
>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can properly
>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>
>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner when
>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result from
>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community. Even
>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and say
>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few Jews
>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their plan to
>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>
>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission - the
>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question is not
>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting its
>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of his
>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he disclose
>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way everybody
>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the blood of
>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing with
>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish District
>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that his
>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the extermination
>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both from a
>>moral and public point of view...
>>
>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people who
>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination, one
>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and Marton,
>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an hour of
>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not warn
>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>
>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District Court
>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in Hungary
>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>
>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the Hungarian
>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what many
>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their knowledge of
>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>train for Palestine.
>>
>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is 
>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe Silberg:
>>
>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among the
>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have a
>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing here
>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>guilt of others....
>>
>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into an
>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray of
>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the few -
>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of collaborating
>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even though, in
>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>
>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive such
>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in cooperation
>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the decisive
>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of the
>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been able
>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings, concealment of
>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery, etc. -
>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete certainty
>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied rescue
>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does he
>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith as
>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to a
>>claim of such good faith...
>>
>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people die
>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will come
>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an individual
>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other patients. He
>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>
>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with complete
>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue operation
>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>
>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which was
>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then Kastner
>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make this
>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report to the
>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in the
>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue, and
>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or resisting
>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and activity.
>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>
>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>
>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small revolts,
>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs of
>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics which
>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>
>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or the
>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming murder.
>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>evidence for this.
>>
>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire of
>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>
>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of rescuing
>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't base
>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it is
>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws retroactive
>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>
>>                         
>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever their
>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have been
>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate collaboration
>>with the Nazis.
>>
>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>
>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>
>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration with
>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>
>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner gave
>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to remain
>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with an
>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>
>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in West
>>Germany.
>>
>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with the
>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only pressure
>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of what
>>might come out.
>>
>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and Rescue
>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on trial .
>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure the 
>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>Palestine.
>>
>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did was
>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership in
>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March 1957
>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings were
>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent of the
>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:28:34 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:53:10 GMT, omerta@casanostra.com wrote:
>
>>The news article has been recorded by the Seattle Times newspaper in
>>the USA, as well as the Telegraph in Britain, as cited in prior
>>articles.
>>
>>If you can read, then just visit their websites and see the original
>>texts.
>>
>>
>>On 26 Apr 1998 06:12:59 GMT, sbobrow940@aol.com (SBobrow940) wrote:
>>>Second: your reference material presumably written by certain 
>>>Brian Rigg does not show during search of Internet libraries.
>>>Provide detailed information on your "professor" and the "book",
>>>including the publisher and the year.
>>>Slawomir Bobrowski
>>
>>
>>>>
Subject: Re: How Many Jews Really Died??
>>>>From: omerta@casanostra.com
>>>>Date: Sat, Apr 25, 1998 22:34 EDT
>>>>On 25 Apr 1998 16:44:07 GMT, sbobrow940@aol.com (SBobrow940) wrote:
>>
>>>>>First of all, how do you know how many Jews served in the Reich military
>>>>under
>>>>>Hitler?
>>
>>>>Read the referenced articles detailed, from records of the Wehrmacht,
>>>>researched by a British professor, among others, and well reported
>>>>worldwide.
>>
>>>>Perhaps instead of making racial ad hominem comments, you may wish to
>>>>comment directly on the points documented??
>>
>>>>If there were so many JEWs in the German military, how can honest
>>>>people claim they were victims of an alleged holohoax?
>>
>>>>They had to volunteer for the military, and certainly they and their
>>>>families deserve none of the money being extorted from nations now!!!
>>
>>
>>>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:46:30 -0500, Tom Grand  wrote:
>>>>>William Markiewicz wrote:
>>
>>>>>> For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>>>> Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>>>> Communication Page, August 97 issue
>>>>>> http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>>>>Nice magazine even if it does have a Jewish slant. However, since you
>>>>>are Jewish, I respect your right to be proud of your people. You should
>>>>>be.
>>
>>>>>However, I disagree with your numbers.
>>
>>>>>"All those Jews who had no interest in counting themselves and weren't
>>>>>counted by any census - simply vanished fifty years ago. They joined the
>>>>>Celts in the anonymity. The Nazis had an easy job detecting them;
>>>>>anybody who couldn't present baptismal certificate for three generations
>>>>>back, was automatically classified as a Jew. In light of all this, I
>>>>>believe that the supposed six million may be only a tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>What was the real number of Jews killed? Twelve million? Eighteen
>>>>>million? We will never know."
>>
>>>>>Yes. We will NEVER know.
>>
>>>>>However, I might suggest that you look at the number of Jews who made it
>>>>>to Israel. Millions of them came there. And millions also came to
>>>>>America. Since there were only about 6 million Jews in all of Europe,
>>>>>most of them probably left and survived.
>>
>>>>>Of course, many other races were affected also by the war. It is
>>>>>estimated that for each Jew who perished in a Nazi work camp, 4-5 other
>>>>>persons died--e.g., Russians, Poles, Priests, Hungarians, Romanians,
>>>>>Ukranians, none of whom were Jewish.
>>
>>>>>In addition, there is never anything at Niz Whore or in the Holocaust
>>>>>Museum about the atrocities committed by Jews all over Europe,
>>>>>especially in the Soviet Union where they arranged and ran the communist
>>>>>party. Nothing is said about the 35 million Christians killed by the
>>>>>Jewish Commissar Kaganovich. Nothing is said about Beria, a Jew, and the
>>>>>head fo the NKVD, the man who ran the investigations and presentations
>>>>>at the Nuremberg Trial having been the man who killed the 25,000 Polish
>>>>>Officers at the Katyn Forest and who then placed the blamed, FALSELY, on
>>>>>the Germans both in Poland and at the Nuremberg Trial.
>>
>>>>sperati wrote: 
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>> 
>>>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>
>>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>> North Shore News
>>>>> February 2, 1997
>>
>>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>>> Doug Collins
>>
>>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>
>>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>
>>>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>
>>>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>
>>>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>
>>>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>
>>>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>>> alive.
>>
>>>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>
>>>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>
>>>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>> 
>>>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>>> documents in the process.
>> 
>>>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>
>>>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>
>>>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>
>>>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>
>>>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>> 
>>>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>>> was a Jew.
>>
>>>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>
>>>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>
>>>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>> 
>>>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>> 
>>>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>
>>>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>
>>>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>
>>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>>> wonder why?
>>
>>>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>



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On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:41:02 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>
>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>By Sean Maguire
>>Sept. 14, 1998
>
>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>
>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>sensitive site. 
>
>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>groups. 
>
>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>
>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>site inevitable. 
>
>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>
>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>
>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>
>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>
>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>
>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>and nationalists. 
>
>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>forgotten. 
>
>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>be removed. 
>>
>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>
>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>
>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>the moment.'' 
>
>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>
>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>
>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>international funding, are on hold. 
>
>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>
>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>
>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>
>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>
>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>
>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>
>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>
>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>Jewish community.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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