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If this is true, what are the tax departments in Canada and the US
doing to send the criminals to prison??


On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:38:42 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:58:29 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>>
>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>
>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>
>
>
>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>>
>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>
>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>
>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>> 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>> answer??
>>>> 
>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>> 
>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>> 
>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>> 
>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>
>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>> >               letters?
>>>>
>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>Brith's butt.
>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>
>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>>> 
>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>>
>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>
>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>
>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>> 
>>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>> 
>>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>
>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>>
>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>
>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>
>>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>
>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>>
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>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>>
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>>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>sven88



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Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
mail this year, because of concern about theft??


On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:43:26 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>
>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>what
>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>Friedrich
>>                                                                    
>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>
>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>
>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>wrote:
>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>in Canada Post:
>>>
>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>
>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>
>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>
>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>
>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>
>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>
>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>
>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>
>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>campaign.
>>>
>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>
>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>
>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>
>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>
>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>
>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>
>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>
>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>
>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>
>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>
>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>stolen.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>
>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>
>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>
>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>
>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>
>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>mail.
>>>
>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>
>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>
>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>
>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>
>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>
>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>
>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>
>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>
>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>
>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>
>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>
>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>
>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>
>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>
>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>as other media.
>>>



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If this is true, what are the tax departments in Canada and the US
doing to send the criminals to prison??


On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:38:42 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:58:29 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>>
>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>
>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>
>
>
>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>>
>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>
>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>
>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>> 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>> answer??
>>>> 
>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>> 
>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>> 
>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>> 
>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>> 
>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>
>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>> >               letters?
>>>>
>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>Brith's butt.
>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>
>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>
>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>>> 
>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>>
>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>
>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>
>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>> 
>>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>> 
>>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>
>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>>
>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>
>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>
>>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>> 
>>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>
>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>>
>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>>
>>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>>
>>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>>
>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>>
>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>
>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>sven88



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People in Canada are not sending as much mail this Christmas, because
of extensive reports about thefts by Canada Post.

Also, because Canada Post unilaterally reduced the commissions to
sub-post offices from 17% to 5%, many postal workers are now openly
suggesting to customers more reliable, theft-free alternatives, such
as UPS,FEDEX, even Greyhound.


On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>mail this year, because of concern about theft??
>
>
>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:43:26 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>
>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>what
>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>Friedrich
>>>                                                                    
>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>
>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>
>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>wrote:
>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>
>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>
>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>
>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>
>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>
>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>
>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>
>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>
>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>
>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>
>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>
>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>
>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>
>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>
>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>
>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>
>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>
>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>
>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>



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Why has the Canadian government not declared whether the employee was
spying in Cuba for CIA or Mossad?

On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:48:08 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>>Is this part of the retaliation of Cuba, for being swindled out of $12
>>>millions regarding Confed Life, plus the theft by Canada Post Managers
>>>of a sack full of computer programs??
>>>
>>>
>>>Was he perhaps an Israeli MOSSAD spy, using a Canadian passport, like
>>>in Jordan and elsewhere???



>>>On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:09:50 -0800, Peter Aspinall
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why are we getting these messages repeated? They are bad
>>>>enough the first time. Isn't there any way of stopping this
>>>>incessant drivel from these fascist morons? People die when
>>>>on holiday. Nobody likes it, but it is a fact of life. Deal
>>>>with it. A friend of mine killed a Japanese tourist in a
>>>>motor vehicle incident in Victoria, Canada - freak accident.
>>>>Better put out a warning to all Japanese people: Avoid
>>>>Canada!
>>>>
>>>>yara4609@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/
>>>>> 
>>>>> November 13, 1998
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mystery shrouds slain DND worker
>>>>> 
>>>>> Body unidentified in Cuban morgue for 7 months
>>>>> By BRAD HUNTER -- Ottawa Sun
>>>>> 
>>>>>  A Department of National Defence employee was gunned down in Cuba months
>>>>> ago, but his body was only identified this week.
>>>
>>>On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 04:21:40 -0500, "Anton Mendoza"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On my visit to Cuba, I was told by a cab driver that the Italians murdered
>>>>were involved in smuggling paitings. He said they didn't want to pay the
>>>>cubans they were doing business with so they got killed.
>>>>Any true in this?
>>>>
>>>>D. DeLuca wrote in article <01be0f5a$3e50ab60$0d825ad1@ddeluca>...
>>>>
>>>>>How do you know this was an innocent tourist who did no harm to anyone?  Or
>>>>>the two Italians for that matter?  The fact that all three men were
>>>>>murdered within a few days in the same area points to foul play IMHO.  But
>>>>>the investigation will bear this out (or not).
>>>>
>>>>



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Do not forget to include the JEW criminals in Canada, from those who
partnered with the MAFIA in prohibition, to the present.


On Fri, 04 Dec 1998 22:04:41 -0700, Ed Kadach 
wrote:

>THE JEWISH GANGSTERS IN AMERICA
>By: Gad Nahshon
>JEWISH POST
>8/26/1998
>
>Rich Cohen, Author
>
>Arnold Rothstein was the founding father of American organized crime. He
>was
>murdered in 1928. He left a legend and a myth and also a tribe of
>notorious
>"boys": Louis Lepke Buchalter, the first builder of an empire of crimes
>which produced in 1940 around $2 million a year, Meyer Lansky, Bugsy
>Siegal,
>Dutch Schultz, Abraham Twist Kid Reles, Pep Strauss, Mendy Weiss, Gurrah
>Shapiro, Red Levine and many others.
>
>They were Jews, criminals and murderers. They also did not hesitate to
>murder other Jews who dared to challenge them in the underworld. They
>left a
>"legacy" to be followed by the Italian "disciples" of Rothstein: Lucky
>Luciano, Joe Adonis, Louis Capone, Albert Anastasia and many others.
>
>A young writer, Rich Cohen (see photo), decided to expose the role of
>these
>Jews in the history of organized crime in America. But he also
>illuminated
>these Jews in a sort of romantic-nostalgic light.
>
>Cohen is an excellent writer and a superb story teller. He conducted
>research of his own and produced a fascinating account of the life of
>these
>criminal Jews. His book: "Tough Jews, Fathers, Sons and Gangsters"
>(Simon
>and Schuster, 1998, New York) will stir debate about the "contribution"
>of
>Jews to America.
>
>First: Jews do not tend to be only white collar kind of criminals. They
>can
>be cruel murderers.
>
>Second, Jews invented organized crime.
>
>Third, Jews were the first ones to describe themselves as businessmen.
>They
>turned the crime into business and they built a network of crimes:
>gambling,
>prostitution, smuggling, extortion and protection money.
>
>Fourth, sad to say they were the first drug dealers in America!!
>
>Fifth, they were often "good Jews". They went to synagogue and they
>defended
>Jews against American Nazis and anti-Semites.
>
>These are the conclusions from Rich Cohen's exciting to read book: 
>"Tough
>Jews is a fascinating read back into the history of organized crime,"
>wrote
>Martin Scorcese. And Mario Cuomo defined this book as "unusually
>entertaining". Larry King, a friend of the family, said, "WOW. What a
>book... You do not have to be Jewish to love Tough Jews."
>
>He is right. The book is rich with engrossing, vivid, violent anecdotes.
>Cohen covered the era from 1918 to 1950.
>
>These Jews grew up in the Jewish ghettos of America and especially in
>Brooklyn or Brownsville. As a special tribe, Cohen illuminated, they
>disappear. Why? Because they sent their children to the colleges, rather
>than to the streets.
>
>The Italians were the ones to develop families or dynasties of organized
>crime.
>
>But it looks as if the Jews taught them the secret art of organized
>crime.
>Cohen does not have a background in criminal justice and he ignored the
>famous book by Jenna Weismann Joselit: "Our Gang" (1900-1940). So we
>need
>more material to understand the unique
>characteristics of "Jewish crime". Also, he did not mention the film
>"Lepke"
>(Buchalter) with Tony Curtis
>in the major role.
>
>Cohen also compared the "toughness" of the Jewish gangsters with the art
>of
>the Israeli commando in Entebbe.
>
>Cohen tried to revise our attitude to these Jews. Well they were
>criminals,
>period. Many Jews today are sensitive to these kind of stories about
>crimes.
>Well we should be more mature. We are not always perfect or a "Light to
>the
>Nations". But we should not give medals to Jews such as Abe Reles, for
>example.
>
>Cohen also tried to present these Jews as an example of "Proud Jews" but
>the
>criminals did not go to fight against Hitler in World War II.
>
>Rich Cohen grew up in Glencoe, Illinois. He attended Tulane University
>in
>New Orleans and spent his junior year at Oxford University in England.
>His
>first job after college was with The New Yorker where he wrote a number
>of
>stories, mostly humorous pieces, that ran in "Notes and Comment" and
>"Talk
>of the Town." After two years at The New Yorker he became a staff writer
>at
>The New York Observer, writing "mostly funny stories about mostly
>serious
>people." Less than a year later, he was offered a contract by Rolling
>Stone
>magazine where he's now a contributing editor.
>
>At Rolling Stone, he has written stories on the Rolling Stones, Alicia
>Silverstone, Tom Clancy, Pat Buchanan, and Howard Stern, among other
>notable
>subjects. He continues to write articles and humor pieces for The New
>York
>Times, The New Yorker, New York magazine, Spy, and Details. He lives in
>New
>York City.
>
>================================================
>COMMENTS:
>First of all one might get the impression that this was all in the past.
>To
>FULLY CONVINCE your self this is NOT the case, please visit and STUDY
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On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:24:40 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:

>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>>
>>>Katyn
>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>>
>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant 
>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a 
>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust." 
>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it. 
>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more 
>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them 
>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in 
>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers 
>>>during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the 
>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato, 
>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S. 
>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in 
>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for 
>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the 
>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried 
>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the 
>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>>
>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against 
>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the 
>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing 
>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>>
>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket 
>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their 
>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of 
>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that 
>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to 
>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness 
>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>>
>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large 
>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting 
>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able 
>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened 
>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray 
>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as 
>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on 
>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example, 
>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army 
>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to 
>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans 
>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>of Poland.
>>>
>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they 
>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war? 
>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg 
>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably 
>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the 
>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why 
>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the 
>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered 
>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>in 1940.
>>>
>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and 
>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the 
>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which 
>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The 
>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets 
>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly 
>>>along the River Bug.
>>>
>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared 
>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's 
>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union, 
>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in 
>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass 
>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the 
>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course, 
>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was 
>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>>
>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish 
>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as 
>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in 
>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing 
>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of 
>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and 
>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933 
>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where 
>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the 
>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to 
>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of 
>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the 
>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany 
>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>>
>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France. 
>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could 
>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however, 
>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did 
>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to 
>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his 
>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the 
>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined 
>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though 
>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>>
>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other 
>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin 
>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in 
>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed 
>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through 
>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into 
>>>Russia.
>>>
>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near 
>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from 
>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners 
>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly 
>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local 
>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as 
>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is 
>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had 
>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, 
>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been 
>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American 
>>>FBI.
>>>
>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and 
>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each 
>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the 
>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than 
>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other 
>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans 
>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in 
>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various 
>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in 
>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest. 
>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to 
>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to 
>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from 
>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The 
>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to 
>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most 
>>>of them did.
>>>
>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish 
>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and 
>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets 
>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet 
>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had 
>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly 
>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had 
>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put 
>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk, 
>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one 
>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>>
>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard 
>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were 
>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As 
>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human 
>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the 
>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better 
>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that 
>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful 
>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist 
>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them 
>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia, 
>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>>
>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had 
>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because 
>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the 
>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the 
>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at 
>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the 
>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish 
>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish 
>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and 
>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be 
>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill 
>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken 
>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off 
>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been 
>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn 
>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were 
>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the 
>>>killings.
>>>
>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison 
>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks 
>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands 
>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit. 
>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol 
>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had 
>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what 
>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were 
>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed, 
>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered 
>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of 
>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and 
>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was 
>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>>
>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the 
>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest 
>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed; 
>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not 
>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies 
>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the 
>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal 
>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same 
>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from 
>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940, 
>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported 
>>>back to their governments.
>>>
>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American 
>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet 
>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was 
>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to 
>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide 
>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union 
>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>>
>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who 
>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the 
>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had 
>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by 
>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York 
>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles! 
>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and 
>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other 
>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of 
>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the 
>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and 
>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>>
>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in 
>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not 
>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free 
>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill 
>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't 
>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish 
>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have 
>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been 
>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have 
>>>decided.
>>>
>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years 
>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with 
>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the 
>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is 
>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into 
>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the 
>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies 
>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is 
>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre 
>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of 
>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It 
>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>>
>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western 
>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The 
>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from 
>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the 
>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to 
>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis, 
>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation. 
>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx, 
>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars 
>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who 
>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with 
>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and 
>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland, 
>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>feeling.
>>>
>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is 
>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have 
>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they 
>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have 
>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them. 
>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart, 
>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media 
>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media. 
>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and 
>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>>
>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews 
>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold 
>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the 
>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To 
>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com 
>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message. 
>>>
>>>++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>American Renaissance
>>>http://www.amren.com
>>>
>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>
>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>>
>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>>http://www.14words.com
>>>
>>>National Alliance
>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>>
>>>Stormfront
>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>>
>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>>
>>>
>>>



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>On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:03:23 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:42:53 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>>>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>>>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>Orest Slepokura  wrote:


>>>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
>>> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...


>>>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>>>
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>
>>>                              
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>>>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>>>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>>>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>>>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>>
>>>                              The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>>>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>>>Herald, he wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>>>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>>>silence.
>>>
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>>>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>>>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>>>exterminations.
>>>
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>>>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>>>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>>>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>>>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>>>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>>>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>>>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>>>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>>>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>>>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>>>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>>>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>>>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>>>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>>>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>>>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>>>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>>
>>>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>>>not too high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>>>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>>>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>>>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>>>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>>>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>>>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>>>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>>>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>>>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>>>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>>>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>>>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>>>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>>>to Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>>>mislead the Jews.
>>>
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>>>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>>>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>>>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>>>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>>>Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>>>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>>>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>>>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>>>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>>>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>>>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>chiefs
>>>.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>>>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>>>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>>>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>>>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>>>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>>>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>>>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>>>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>>>on the other hand.
>>>
>>>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>>>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>>>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>>>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>>>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>>>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>>>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>>>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>>>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>>>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>>>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>>>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>>>S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>>>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>>>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>>>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>>>negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>>>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>>>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>>>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>>>declared in the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>>>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>>>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>>>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>>>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>>>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>>>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>>>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>>>affidavit given in favor of a war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>>>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>>>his Nazi 
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>>>pounds as court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>>>1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>>>criminal libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>>>appeal filed.
>>>
>>>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>>>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>>>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>>>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>>>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>>>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>>>'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>>>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>>>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>>>'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>>>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>>>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>>>'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>>>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner. They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>>>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>>>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>>>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>>>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>>>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>>>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>>>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>>>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>>>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>>>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>>>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>>>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>>>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>>>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>>>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>>>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>>>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>>>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>>>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>>>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>>>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>>>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>>>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>>>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>>>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>>>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>>>many or should he disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>>>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>>>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>>>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>>>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>>>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>>
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>>>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>>>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>>>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>>>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>>>what was known to them and did not warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>>>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>>>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>>>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>>>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>>>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>>>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>>>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>>>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>>>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>>>judgements on the guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>>>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>>>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>>>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>>>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>>>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>>>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>>>result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>>>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>>>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>>>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>>>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>>>thousands would have been able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>>>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>>>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>>>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>>>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>>>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>>>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>>>to a claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>>>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>>>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>>>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>>>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>>>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>>>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>>>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>>>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>>>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>>>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>>>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>>>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>>>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>>>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>>>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>>>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>>>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>>>occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>>>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>>>proof of  evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>>>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>>>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>>>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>>>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>>>of events it throws retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>>>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>>>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>>>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>>>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>>>fear of what might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>>>on trial .
>>>
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>>>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>>>eventually to Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>>>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>>>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>>>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>>>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>>
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>>>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>>>murder trial).
>>>
>>>
>>>sven88



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On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:41:33 GMT, bismarck88@antizhid.org wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 01:57:35 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>>On 14 Nov 1998 19:31:19 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>SOBC) wanted to write for his JEW masters, but it is only a
>>shabbas-goy:
>>>On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:29:22 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>From Deja News is the attached article,certainly worth further
>>>>discussion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:41:19 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>>>>On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:52:09 -0500, holman@elo.helsinki.fi (Eugene
>>>>>Holman) wrote:
>
>>>>>>Would any readers of soc.culture.polish care to comment on the claims made
>>>>>>here.      
>
>
>>>>>>1. WHAT PROOF EXISTS THAT THE NAZIS PRACTICED GENOCIDE OR
>>>>>>DELIBERATELY KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        None. The only evidence is the contradictory testimony of
>>>>>>individual "survivors", and no "survivor" claims actually to have
>>>>>>witnessed any gassing. There is no hard evidence whatsoever. No mounds
>>>>>>of ashes, no piles of clothes, no crematoria capable of doing the job,
>>>>>>no human soap, no lampshades made out of human skin, no records, no
>>>>>>demographic statistics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        On the other hand there exists extensive evidence of a
>>>>>>forensic, demographic, analytical, documentary, anecdotal, and
>>>>>>comparative nature which clearly proves the impossibility of such a
>>>>>>figure as six million Jewish dead, an exaggeration of possibly 1000%.
>>>>>> >I can offer some coins, stamps for collectors/collections, even a
>>>>>>> >military parachute, as well as Malaysian 22k plated gold jewellery.
>>>>>
>>>>>Quite frankly, by reading the attached text, which proves that almost
>>>>>half of the original 600,000 JEWs in Germany were in the German
>>>>>military, one MUST question the alleged figures used by the JEWS to
>>>>>extort money from gullible governments!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>        2. HOW DID GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS DIFFER FROM AMERICAN
>>>>>>RELOCATION CAMPS WHICH INTERNED JAPANESE AND GERMAN-AMERICANS DURING
>>>>>>WORLD
>>>>>>WAR TWO?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Except for the name, the only difference was that the Germans
>>>>>>interned persons who were a real or suspected threat to the German war
>>>>>>effort, whereas the Americans interned persons on the basis of their
>>>>>>race or national origin alone.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        3. WHY DID THE GERMAN AUTHORITIES INTERN JEWS IN THE
>>>>>>CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Because the Germans considered the Jews a direct threat to
>>>>>>their national sovereignty and survival, correctly as it turned out.
>>>>>>Jews were overwhelmingly represented in Germany in Communist subversion
>>>>>>during the Weimar period. On a per capita basis, Jews were highly
>>>>>>overrepresented in government, commercial, and media positions.
>>>>>>However, ALL suspected security risks, not just Jews, were in danger of
>>>>>>internment once the war broke out.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        On March 24th, 1933, international Jewry declared war on
>>>>>>Germany and ordered a world-wide boycott of German goods simply because
>>>>>>the German government had removed Jews from influential positions and
>>>>>>transferred power back to the German people. The boycott order and the
>>>>>>Jewish war against Germany were reported in the world print and
>>>>>>broadcast media of the time. False stories of German "death camps" were
>>>>>>in fact circulated even before the outbreak of World War Two. Therefore
>>>>>>the German view of the Jewish people as enemy aliens would seem to have
>>>>>>been fully justified.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        4. DID SIMON WIESENTHAL ONCE ADMIT THAT THERE WERE NEVER ANY
>>>>>>DEATH CAMPS ON GERMAN SOIL?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Yes. In *Books and Bookmen*, April 1975 issue. He claims the
>>>>>>gassing of all the Jews took place in Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        5. DACHAU IS IN GERMANY. IF EVEN SIMON WIESENTHAL NOW ADMITS IT
>>>>>>WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP, WHY DO THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN VETERANS SAY IT WAS?
>>>>>   
>>>>>>        Because after the Allies captured Dachau (and incidentally
>>>>>>murdered dozens of the former staff without trial), thousands of GIs
>>>>>>were led through the camp and shown buildings alleged to be gas
>>>>>>chambers. This story was later quietly expunged from official Holocaust
>>>>>>lore because it became too difficult to maintain in the face of known
>>>>>>fact and because Dachau was in the Allied occupation zone where access
>>>>>>to the camp was too easy and unrestricted. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        En passant, the brief lifespan of the "Dachau death camp"
>>>>>>version gave rise to the first critical examination and questioning of
>>>>>>the Holocaust myth by historians and by some Allied veterans who
>>>>>>noticed discrepancies in what they had seen and what they read in
>>>>>>official accounts. It would be many years, though, before this early
>>>>>>Holocaust Revisionism gained momentum. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        6. AUSCHWITZ IS IN POLAND, NOT GERMANY. IS THERE ANY PROOF THAT
>>>>>>GAS CHAMBERS FOR THE PURPOSE OF KILLING PEOPLE EXISTED AT AUSCHWITZ?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        No. The "gas chamber" exhibited to tourists at Auschwitz could
>>>>>>not possibly have been used to carry out executions; it is far too
>>>>>>small and it is not even airtight. In the 1980s, American expert Fred
>>>>>>Leuchter, who builds gas chambers for American penal systems, took
>>>>>>scrapings from the walls of the Auschwitz "gas chamber" for chemical
>>>>>>analysis. He found no cyanide residue at all. The Auschwitz exhibit is
>>>>>>a fake, pure and simple, a flimsy tourist trap.        
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Were not the Krema at Auschwitz built by the Polish communists in
>>>>>1949, long after the war???
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>        7. IS AUSCHWITZ WASN'T A DEATH CAMP, WHAT WAS ITS TRUE PURPOSE?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        It was a large-scale manufacturing complex. Synthetic rubber
>>>>>>(Buna) was made there, and its inmates were used as a workforce, in the
>>>>>>same way in which inmate labor is increasingly being used in
>>>>>>correctional systems throughout the United States today.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        8. WHAT ABOUT THE INFAMOUS ZYKLON-B GAS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Zyklon-B is a commercially manufactured compound of hydrocyanic
>>>>>>gas. It has a number of widespread industrial uses, including the
>>>>>>fumigation of lice-infested clothing, the purpose for which it was
>>>>>>applied at Auschwitz. Zyklon-B is still manufactured worldwide and is
>>>>>>commonly used and available today.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        9. IF AUSCHWITZ WAS NOT AN EXTERMINATION CAMP, WHY DID FORMER
>>>>>>COMMANDANT RUDOLF HOESS CONFESS THAT IT WAS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Hoess was captured by the Russians and Polish Communists and
>>>>>>brutally tortured. He signed his confession, the SOLE SOURCE for the
>>>>>>figure of six million dead Jews, in English, a language he could not
>>>>>>read. Some pages of the original document are literally stained with
>>>>>>Hoess' blood. Hoess was then conveniently executed so he could not be
>>>>>>cross examined.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        10. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FULLY TO VENTILATE AN AREA FUMIGATED
>>>>>>WITH ZYKLON-B?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        About twenty hours. The whole procedure is extremely involved
>>>>>>and technical. Gas masks have to be used and well trained technicians
>>>>>>only are employed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        11. RUDOLF HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD
>>>>>>ENTER THE GAS CHAMBER TEN MINUTES AFTER THE JEWS HAD DIED AND REMOVE
>>>>>>THE BODIES. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        It can't be explained, because it could not have happened like
>>>>>>that. Had the Germans done this they would have suffered the same fate
>>>>>>as the allegedly exterminated Jews.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        12. HOESS SAID IN HIS CONFESSION THAT HIS MEN WOULD SMOKE
>>>>>>CIGARETTES AS THEY PULLED DEAD JEWS OUT OF CHAMBERS WHICH TEN MINUTES
>>>>>>BEFORE HAD BEEN FILLED WITH GAS. ISN'T ZYKLON-B EXPLOSIVE?
>>>>>  
>>>>>>        Highly so. The Hoess confession is obviously false and the six
>>>>>>million figure as well. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        13. HOW COULD SUCH A MASS MURDER PROGRAM HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
>>>>>>FROM JEWS WHO WERE SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION? HOW COULD THE POPE, THE
>>>>>>VATICAN, THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS, AND ALLIED MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
>>>>>>NOT KNOW?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Given the acknowledged efficiency and penetration of the OSS,
>>>>>>British MI5, and Soviet NKVD into the Third Reich, it could not have
>>>>>>been kept secret. Nor can one imagine any reason for the Allies, who
>>>>>>were fighting to destroy Germany, not to make use of such a potentially
>>>>>>powerful propaganda weapon, had there been any contemporary evidence at
>>>>>>all during the war that such an event was occurring. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        14. HOW MANY JEWS ACTUALLY DIED IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS
>>>>>>DURING THE WAR?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        About 300,000.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        15. HOW DID THEY DIE?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Mainly from recurring typhus epidemics that ravaged war-torn
>>>>>>Europe during the period. Typhus is a disease which invariably appears
>>>>>>whenever people are jammed together for long periods without bathing.
>>>>>>It is carried by lice which infects hair and clothes. Ironically, if
>>>>>>the Germans had used more Zyklon-B for disinfectant purposes, more Jews
>>>>>>might have survived the concentration camps. Jewish prisoners (as well
>>>>>>as many others) also died from starvation and lack of medical attention
>>>>>>towards the end of the war when virtually all rail and road transport
>>>>>>had come to a standstill due to the intense Allied bombing campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        16. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WHETHER SIX MILLION JEWS OR 300,000
>>>>>>DIED?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        5,700,00. The key question is whether or not there was a
>>>>>>deliberate, systematic attempt on the part of the Third Reich to
>>>>>>exterminate the Jews of Europe. The evidence clearly shows that there
>>>>>>was not, and the focus of world attention now needs to shift to the
>>>>>>identity, the activities, and the financial and political motivations
>>>>>>of those who have inflicted on all humanity for the past fifty years
>>>>>>the grotesque, slanderous, and evil lie that there was a "Holocaust".
>>>>>
>>>>>>        17. MANY JEWISH SURVIVORS OF THE "DEATH CAMPS" SAY THEY SAW
>>>>>>BODIES BEING PILED UP IN PITS AND BURNED. HOW MUCH GASOLINE WOULD HAVE
>>>>>>BEEN USED TO PERFORM THIS ACT?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        A lot more than the Germans had access to or could have
>>>>>>afforded to waste during the Second World War, that's for sure.        
>>>>>
>>>>>>        18. CAN BODIES BE BURNED IN PITS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        No. It is impossible for human bodies to be totally consumed by
>>>>>>flames in this manner as not enough heat can be generated in open pits.
>>>>>>[Note From Winston Smith: I can personally confirm from my own
>>>>>>observations of both Communist and American atrocities in both the
>>>>>>American and Rhodesian armed forces that it is impossible completely to
>>>>>>destroy human bodies en masse with either gasoline, napalm, or in any
>>>>>>other way in open pits. The Holocaust "experts" who claim otherwise are
>>>>>>either parroting what they have been told without bothering to check
>>>>>>their facts, or else they are lying.]
>>>>>
>>>>>>        19. HOLOCAUST AUTHORS CLAIM THE NAZIS WERE ABLE TO CREMATE
>>>>>>BODIES IN ABOUT TEN MINUTES. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO INCINERATE A BODY
>>>>>>ACCORDING TO PROFESSIONAL FUNERAL OPERATORS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        About two hours.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        20. WHY DID CONCENTRATION CAMPS HAVE CREMATORY OVENS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        To dispose efficiently and sanitarily of the corpses dead from
>>>>>>typhus and other diseases.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        21. GIVEN A 100% DUTY CYCLE OF ALL THE KNOWN CREMATORIA IN ALL
>>>>>>THE CAMPS IN GERMAN-CONTROLLED TERRITORY, WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF
>>>>>>CORPSES WHICH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE TO INCINERATE DURING THE
>>>>>>ENTIRE TIME THE CAMPS WERE IN EXISTENCE?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        About 430,600.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        22. CAN A CREMATORY OVEN BE OPERATED 100% OF THE TIME?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        No. 50% of the time is a very generous estimate, or 12 hours
>>>>>>per day. Crematory ovens have to be cleaned thoroughly and regularly
>>>>>>when in heavy operation.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        23. ON THE AVERAGE, HOW MUCH ASH IS LEFT FROM A CREMATED
>>>>>>CORPSE?
>>>>>        
>>>>>>        After the bone is ground down into powder, a separate
>>>>>>time-consuming process in itself, about a shoe box full.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        24. IF SIX MILLION PEOPLE WERE INCINERATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>>>>>HAPPENED TO THE ASHES?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        That remains to be "explained". Six million bodies would
>>>>>>produce literally mountains of ash, tons upon tons. Yet there have been
>>>>>>no discoveries of any huge deposits of ash in the Auschwitz are or
>>>>>>anywhere else in Europe.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        25. DO ALLIED WARTIME PHOTOS OF AUSCHWITZ, TAKEN FROM THE AIR,
>>>>>>SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CREMATORIA IN FULL BLAST OPERATION?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        No. These photographs do not reveal even a trace of the immense
>>>>>>amount of smoke which must have hung constantly over the camp, nor do
>>>>>>they show any evidence of the alleged open pits where the bodies were
>>>>>>burned.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        26. WHAT DID THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
>>>>>>WHOLE "HOLOCAUST" ISSUE?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        A report of the visit of an IRC delegation to Auschwitz in
>>>>>>September of 1944 pointed out that internees were allowed to receive
>>>>>>packages and that rumors of gas chambers could not be verified. The
>>>>>>full official report of the International Red Cross on the Second World
>>>>>>War makes no mention at all of the so-called Holocaust or any of the
>>>>>>wilder allegations connected with the so-called Holocaust. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Interestingly, in 1996, fifty years after the war's end, the
>>>>>>liberal media in America and Europe began running a series of articles
>>>>>>claiming that the Red Cross was "full of Nazi sympathizers". This
>>>>>>charge is entirely bogus and may be chalked up to belated Jewish
>>>>>>attempts at damage control as the Holocaust myth crumbles steadily in
>>>>>>the light of factual examination and critical analysis.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        27. IS THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK GENUINE?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Not as published, no. The evidence compiled by Dietlieb
>>>>>>Felderer of Sweden and Dr. Robert Faurisson of France proves
>>>>>>conclusively that the published version of the famous diary is a
>>>>>>literary hoax. There was a girl named Anne Frank, and sections of the
>>>>>>diary appear to be genuine, including several wherein she describes
>>>>>>adolescent lesbian sexual experiences which were later excised from the
>>>>>>published text. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        In 1950 Anne Frank's father sued author Meyer Levin, the actual
>>>>>>writer of the diary, over royalties from the book. A Jewish judge in
>>>>>>New York ordered the records of the court case sealed for 100 years.
>>>>>>When the original diary was put on display a few years later, it was
>>>>>>noticed that the most poignant sections of the book were interpolations
>>>>>>written in a forged handwriting in BALL POINT PEN, a writing instrument
>>>>>>which was not invented until 1950. The original diary was swiftly
>>>>>>removed from exhibit and whisked away into a safety deposit box in
>>>>>>Israel. It has never been produced for examination since then despite
>>>>>>repeated attempts by scholars to view it. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        28. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE NUMEROUS PHOTOGRAPHS AND FILM FOOTAGE
>>>>>>ALLEGEDLY TAKEN IN GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS SHOWING EMACIATED CORPSES
>>>>>>AND PEOPLE? ARE THESE FAKED?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Some are, but most of the fakery lies in the captioning.
>>>>>>Corpses of German air raid victims, for example, are labeled as dead
>>>>>>Jews. One famous and oft-reprinted photo purports to show a "Nazi SS
>>>>>>man" about to shoot a mother holding her child; on closer examination
>>>>>>of the blurry print with a magnifying glass, it is clear to military
>>>>>>historians familiar with the uniforms and weapons of the period that
>>>>>>the killer is a Red Army soldier wielding a Russian-made carbine. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        (The Exterminationist habit of blaming the Germans for
>>>>>>atrocities actually carried out by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin
>>>>>>remains common, even though some of the more notorious examples like
>>>>>>the Katyn Forest massacre of Polish prisoners have now been properly
>>>>>>laid at the door of the Kremlin. That this kind of fraud continues to
>>>>>>be perpetrated by Holocaust "experts" is not surprising in view of the
>>>>>>fact that almost all of them espouse Marxist or extreme left-wing views
>>>>>>and are as quick to apologize for and explain away Stalin's butcheries
>>>>>>as they are to invent fraudulent crimes attributed to Adolf Hitler. The
>>>>>>almost universally leftist political and social orientation of
>>>>>>Holocaust defenders is important and should always be born in mind when
>>>>>>examining their claims; letting Stalin off the hook is almost as
>>>>>>important to them as blackening and defaming the memory of Hitler and
>>>>>>the German people. A good example of this is Nizkor leader Ken McVay's
>>>>>>refusal to accept any more NSWPP e-mail after General Secretary Smith
>>>>>>asked him why he did not condemn the mass murders of Stalin.)
>>>>>
>>>>>>        29. WHAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE VATICAN DURING THE TIME IN WHICH
>>>>>>SIX MILLION JEWS WERE ALLEGEDLY EXTERMINATED?
>>>>>       
>>>>>>        Had there been an extermination plan being carried out in a
>>>>>>predominantly Catholic country like Poland, the Vatican would certainly
>>>>>>have been in a position to learn about it. Since no such plan existed,
>>>>>>the Vatican had no need to speak out about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        30. WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE THAT ADOLF HITLER ORDERED THE
>>>>>>EXTERMINATION OF THE JEWS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        None. No documentary evidence of any kind indicating a
>>>>>>deliberate extermination plan on the part of the Nazis has ever come to
>>>>>>light. No signed order from Hitler, from Reichsfuhrer-SS Heinrich
>>>>>>Himmler, or from any other functionary of the Third Reich ordering the
>>>>>>extermination of the Jews has ever been discovered. The Nazis were
>>>>>>meticulous records-keepers and literally tons of documents were seized
>>>>>>by the Allies at the end of the war, so many it took Allied archivists
>>>>>>and scholars years to organize, file, and catalog them all. Nothing.
>>>>>>Zip. Nada. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        31. DID THE GERMANS AND THE ZIONISTS COLLABORATE BEFORE AND
>>>>>>DURING THE WAR?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Absolutely. Both groups were interested in removing the Jews
>>>>>>from Europe (the Zionists wanted the Jews shipped to Palestine) and
>>>>>>they maintained friendly relations throughout the war. The German
>>>>>>official in charge of shipping thousands of Jews to then
>>>>>>British-occupied Palestine (including future Israeli prime minister
>>>>>>Menachem Begin) was Adolf Eichmann; after the war the Holocaust
>>>>>>industry considered this secret so volatile and dangerous that Eichmann
>>>>>>was abducted by the Israeli Mossad and subsequently murdered in order
>>>>>>to silence him.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In Canada there was adetailed story in Toronto Life about the roles of
>>>>>the Reichman and gestetner families in providing assistance to the
>>>>>Germans in WWII. The Jews are not happy about this public exposure,and
>>>>>have tried to restrict distribution of this news, which is available
>>>>>from the publishers in Toronto at Toronto Life.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>        32. HOW MANY JEWS WERE IN AREAS WHICH CAME TO BE CONTROLLED BY
>>>>>>THE GERMANS DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Slightly less than four million.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        33. HOW MANY JEWS FLED DEEP INTO THE SOVIET UNION TO ESCAPE THE
>>>>>>NAZIS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Over two million. The Germans did not have access to them to
>>>>>>kill them.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        34. IF EUROPEAN JEWS WEREN'T EXTERMINATED BY THE NAZIS, WHAT
>>>>>>HAPPENED TO THEM?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        After the war most Jews emigrated to Palestine, the United
>>>>>>States, Argentina, Canada, and Great Britain. Except for about 300,000,
>>>>>>they are all accounted for.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        35. HOW DOES THE HOLOCAUST STORY BENEFIT THE JEWISH PEOPLE
>>>>>>TODAY?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        It shields them from any criticism over their political,
>>>>>>economic, and social behavior. It is instrumental in raising immense
>>>>>>sums of "guilt money", especially from the German government. It
>>>>>>justifies aid to the state of Israel totaling almost $10 billion
>>>>>>dollars per year from various sources. Israel has received almost $70
>>>>>>billion dollars in assorted "Holocaust reparations" and the ante is
>>>>>>growing every year. It is clearly in the interest of Israel and the
>>>>>>Jewish people to keep the scam going.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        36. ARE FILMS LIKE "HOLOCAUST", "SCHINDLER'S LIST", AND "THE
>>>>>>WINDS OF WAR" DOCUMENTARIES?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Hollywood movies are not history and are not intended to be.
>>>>>>They are fictionalized dramas. The characters in movies are actors, not
>>>>>>real people, who are being very highly paid for their portrayals of
>>>>>>events that did not in fact occur. They read their lines from a
>>>>>>screenplay written by Hollywood scriptwriters, a profession where Jews
>>>>>>are very highly overrepresented, as they are in the studios and the
>>>>>>creative and financial sectors of film making. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Hollywood is such an extremely unreliable source of history
>>>>>>that in recent years even mainstream reviewers and commentators have
>>>>>>begun to express doubt and suspicion over some films. For example, the
>>>>>>character of Oscar Schindler as portrayed by Liam Neeson in Spielberg's
>>>>>>production of "Schindler's List" was sanitized to the point of being
>>>>>>unrecognizable. Schindler was portrayed as almost saintly, and yet none
>>>>>>of those still living who remember the man have a single good word to
>>>>>>say about him. The real Schindler was a confidence artist, a thief, a
>>>>>>libertine and degenerate gambler who indulged freely in forced sexual
>>>>>>relations with young female camp inmates, who later abandoned his wife
>>>>>>and fled with his mistress to Brazil after embezzling a large sum of
>>>>>>money. Other major directors like Oliver Stone have come under fire
>>>>>>because their portrayals of historical characters like Nixon and events
>>>>>>like the JFK assassination reflect a paranoid obsession with the most
>>>>>>bizarre of left-wing conspiracy theories.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        37. ABOUT HOW MANY BOOKS HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED WHICH REFUTE SOME
>>>>>>ASPECT OF THE STANDARDS JEWISH CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Over 100, with more in the works.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        38. BUT AREN'T ALL THOSE WHO QUESTION THE HOLOCAUST
>>>>>>ANTI-SEMITIC OR NEO-NAZIS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Some are, although why such people should be denied the same
>>>>>>right to advance their viewpoint which liberal democracy grants so
>>>>>>freely to Jews and liberals in this purportedly free society is never
>>>>>>explained. The NSWPP is a National Socialist organization, although
>>>>>>unlike the Jews we acknowledge our identity and our ideological
>>>>>>position in the open. Most Revisionists, however, are academics,
>>>>>>genuine scholars who seek only the truth. Many hold liberal or
>>>>>>libertarian views, although these views often change as they are
>>>>>>subjected to the intense persecution which accompanies any deviation
>>>>>>from the official orthodoxy on the Holocaust.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        39. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HISTORIANS WHO DISPUTE THE OFFICIAL
>>>>>>VERSION OF THE HOLOCAUST?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        A variety of unpleasant things. Significantly, the Jews have
>>>>>>always refused to debate the facts of the Holocaust openly with
>>>>>>Revisionists. An Internet group allegedly set up for this purpose
>>>>>>called Nizkor does not in fact debate Revisionists, but engages in
>>>>>>hysterical campaigns of ad hominem abuse against anyone who dares to
>>>>>>express any dissent or doubt in re Holocaust orthodoxy. It is clear
>>>>>>from many of the postings to Nizkor's Internet playgroups that they
>>>>>>have attracted a number of people, mostly Jews but some left-liberal
>>>>>>Gentiles as well, who are motivated by intense racial bigotry and
>>>>>>ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with them, and who in some
>>>>>>cases appear to be severely mentally and emotionally disturbed.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        The Jews respond to any questioning of the Holocaust with
>>>>>>hatred, violence, and persecution, which in itself is the surest
>>>>>>giveaway that they have something to hide. In many countries those who
>>>>>>ask politically incorrect or searching questions about the Holocaust
>>>>>>are arrested, tortured, and imprisoned. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        Dr. Robert Faurisson was assaulted by a Jewish gang who beat
>>>>>>him so badly that he was almost crippled. In California, a major
>>>>>>Revisionist bookseller's offices were burned, and in Toronto
>>>>>>Revisionist author Ernst Zundel's home was almost destroyed in an arson
>>>>>>attack. Zundel was subjected to a bizarre series of show trials lasting
>>>>>>over ten years, and after being finally acquitted he has been denied
>>>>>>Canadian citizenship and is still battling attempts to deport him to
>>>>>>prison and torture in Germany. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>        An American citizen, Gerhard Lauck of Lincoln, Nebraska, was
>>>>>>kidnapped by the German government and at this writing is serving a
>>>>>>lengthy prison sentence in Germany for the "crime" of writing
>>>>>>pro-National Socialist commentary IN THE UNITED STATES where it is
>>>>>>legal. Another American citizen, Hans Schmidt of Florida, was also
>>>>>>abducted, held in prison in Germany for almost a year, and released
>>>>>>only after an international outcry. Schmidt's "crime" was writing a
>>>>>>pro-Revisionist article, in English, in a newsletter published and
>>>>>>distributed in the United States. German nationalist Manfred Roeder has
>>>>>>been imprisoned so many times he's lost count. Revisionists have been
>>>>>>stripped of jobs and academic posts, denied tenure in universities,
>>>>>>victimized by harassing lawsuits, received bombs in the mail, and
>>>>>>subjected to constant death threats from Jews and Marxists.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        THESE ARE NOT THE REACTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. Innocent people
>>>>>>who are accused of a crime or a fraud do not respond by trying to kill,
>>>>>>imprison, or forcibly silence their accusers. More than anything else,
>>>>>>the behavior of the Jews and the governments they influence so strongly
>>>>>>proves that the Holocaust is a fraud. If the Holocaust was true,
>>>>>>neither the Jews nor any state authority would need to use force to
>>>>>>silence criticism, any more than force need be used against people who
>>>>>>believe the earth is flat. The arrests, imprisonment, assaults and
>>>>>>torchings are the moral equivalent of a full confession on the part of
>>>>>>the Jewish people that they are contemptible liars who have imposed the
>>>>>>most massive and vicious hoax in history on all of humanity, and have
>>>>>>used that hoax as an excuse to rob us blind, steal another people's
>>>>>>country, and then to slaughter that country's original inhabitants at
>>>>>>will, as according to National Public Radio they are doing even now as
>>>>>>I type this, in the town of Ramallah.
>>>>>
>>>>>>        40. HAVE THESE THUGGISH TACTICS SUCCEEDED IN SILENCING
>>>>>>REVISIONISTS?
>>>>>
>>>>>>        No. They have only made Revisionists more determined than ever
>>>>>>to ensure that the truth comes out and that the nations of the earth
>>>>>>understand how the Jewish people have lied to them, defrauded them, and
>>>>>>robbed them for over half a century now with the Holocaust lie. There
>>>>>>can be little doubt that in succeeding generations the Holocaust will
>>>>>>be accepted by mainstream historians and the public at large for what
>>>>>>it is: a politically inspired hoax.
>>>>>
>>>>>>NOTE: This article was partially re-worked by me from material in a
>>>>>>pamphlet provided by the Institute for Historical Review. For further
>>>>>>information on Revisionism, the IHR may be contacted at
>>>>>>ihrgreg@kaiwan.com - W.S.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>>>> 
>>>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>>>> Stefan Lemieszewski
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> North Shore News
>>>>> February 2, 1997
>>>>> 
>>>>> Insights from abroad
>>>>> Doug Collins
>>>>> 
>>>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>>>> 
>>>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>>>> alive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>>>> 
>>>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>>>> documents in the process.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew> could 
>>>>> ever have fought for Hitler.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>>>> 
>>>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>>>> 
>>>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>>>> 
>>>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>>>> was a Jew.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>>>> 
>>>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>>>> wonder why?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>>>>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>>>>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!
>>>>>Judges, Lawyers and Politicians Need to be recycled - as Fertiliser



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Why has the Canadian government not declared whether the employee was
spying in Cuba for CIA or Mossad?

On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:48:08 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>>Is this part of the retaliation of Cuba, for being swindled out of $12
>>>millions regarding Confed Life, plus the theft by Canada Post Managers
>>>of a sack full of computer programs??
>>>
>>>
>>>Was he perhaps an Israeli MOSSAD spy, using a Canadian passport, like
>>>in Jordan and elsewhere???



>>>On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:09:50 -0800, Peter Aspinall
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why are we getting these messages repeated? They are bad
>>>>enough the first time. Isn't there any way of stopping this
>>>>incessant drivel from these fascist morons? People die when
>>>>on holiday. Nobody likes it, but it is a fact of life. Deal
>>>>with it. A friend of mine killed a Japanese tourist in a
>>>>motor vehicle incident in Victoria, Canada - freak accident.
>>>>Better put out a warning to all Japanese people: Avoid
>>>>Canada!
>>>>
>>>>yara4609@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/
>>>>> 
>>>>> November 13, 1998
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mystery shrouds slain DND worker
>>>>> 
>>>>> Body unidentified in Cuban morgue for 7 months
>>>>> By BRAD HUNTER -- Ottawa Sun
>>>>> 
>>>>>  A Department of National Defence employee was gunned down in Cuba months
>>>>> ago, but his body was only identified this week.
>>>
>>>On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 04:21:40 -0500, "Anton Mendoza"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On my visit to Cuba, I was told by a cab driver that the Italians murdered
>>>>were involved in smuggling paitings. He said they didn't want to pay the
>>>>cubans they were doing business with so they got killed.
>>>>Any true in this?
>>>>
>>>>D. DeLuca wrote in article <01be0f5a$3e50ab60$0d825ad1@ddeluca>...
>>>>
>>>>>How do you know this was an innocent tourist who did no harm to anyone?  Or
>>>>>the two Italians for that matter?  The fact that all three men were
>>>>>murdered within a few days in the same area points to foul play IMHO.  But
>>>>>the investigation will bear this out (or not).
>>>>
>>>>



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Why has the Canadian government not declared whether the employee was
spying in Cuba for CIA or Mossad?

On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:48:08 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>>Is this part of the retaliation of Cuba, for being swindled out of $12
>>>millions regarding Confed Life, plus the theft by Canada Post Managers
>>>of a sack full of computer programs??
>>>
>>>
>>>Was he perhaps an Israeli MOSSAD spy, using a Canadian passport, like
>>>in Jordan and elsewhere???



>>>On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:09:50 -0800, Peter Aspinall
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why are we getting these messages repeated? They are bad
>>>>enough the first time. Isn't there any way of stopping this
>>>>incessant drivel from these fascist morons? People die when
>>>>on holiday. Nobody likes it, but it is a fact of life. Deal
>>>>with it. A friend of mine killed a Japanese tourist in a
>>>>motor vehicle incident in Victoria, Canada - freak accident.
>>>>Better put out a warning to all Japanese people: Avoid
>>>>Canada!
>>>>
>>>>yara4609@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/
>>>>> 
>>>>> November 13, 1998
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mystery shrouds slain DND worker
>>>>> 
>>>>> Body unidentified in Cuban morgue for 7 months
>>>>> By BRAD HUNTER -- Ottawa Sun
>>>>> 
>>>>>  A Department of National Defence employee was gunned down in Cuba months
>>>>> ago, but his body was only identified this week.
>>>
>>>On Sat, 14 Nov 1998 04:21:40 -0500, "Anton Mendoza"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On my visit to Cuba, I was told by a cab driver that the Italians murdered
>>>>were involved in smuggling paitings. He said they didn't want to pay the
>>>>cubans they were doing business with so they got killed.
>>>>Any true in this?
>>>>
>>>>D. DeLuca wrote in article <01be0f5a$3e50ab60$0d825ad1@ddeluca>...
>>>>
>>>>>How do you know this was an innocent tourist who did no harm to anyone?  Or
>>>>>the two Italians for that matter?  The fact that all three men were
>>>>>murdered within a few days in the same area points to foul play IMHO.  But
>>>>>the investigation will bear this out (or not).
>>>>
>>>>



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One wonders, why do the jews ignore the Holocaust of the Armenians, by
the Turks, early this century??

On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:18:23 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Sat, 7 Nov 1998 22:43:51 +0100, "newsreader"  wrote:
>
>>first you have to determine if there had been a jewish holocaust in the
>>terms it has been transmitted, then you can make your recruiting... as for
>>all the genocides I bet none of them is that important in your eyes as the
>>"holocaust", so at least be sincere about your intentions to further the
>>couch-potatoes manipulation that has been carried out by all the
>>jew-controlled media since decades.
>>
>>>               THE HOLOCAUST/GENOCIDE PROJECT
>
>On 7 Aug 1998 10:28:43 GMT, pankiewicz@sun1000.pwr.wroc.pl (Jerzy
>Pankiewicz) wrote:
>
>>In soc.culture.jewish Simcha Streltsov  wrote:
>>: _Soviet_-occupied Lithuania and trying to escape it, not _German_.
>>
>>: and to help you better understand that not all people who want to
>>: compare "holocausts" - however silly all these comparisons are - have
>>: some justification - for years, some historians were 
>>: minimizing Soviet and Chinsese murderers while publishing about Germany 
>>: due to their political views - such treatment obviously invites
>>: backlash - so you will be better off assuring them that you are not part
>>: of that crowd instead of immediately antagonizing people who may or may 
>>: not have sinister motives
>
>
>Notice that the JEW HOLOHOAXERS, who benefit financially from the
>extortion they demand of foreign governments, just refuse to answer
>legitimate questions??
>
>
>On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:45:58 -0600, B'nai B'ruce  wrote:
>>Daniel Keren wrote:
>>> ASMarques  writes:
>
>>> [A great deal of empty rhetoric deleted]
>
>>I have seen these photos. There is no indication in any of them of an
>>atrocity. These persons may have died from typhus, exposure, or other
>>natural cause. There is no indication of torture, gassing, or execution
>>by gunfire.
>
>
>Hoewever, if normal people actually questioned, as do you, then
>perhaps the HOLOHOAX would be exposed for what it is, massive
>extortion!!!
>
>
>>So, what is the use of using them here, since they are worthless in
>>proving a thing? Just to prove the "big lie" of a holocaust that didn't
>>happen. 
>
>>These might be Germans killed in Dresden by concussion or lack
>>of oxygen in the atrocity the Allies committed there in the fire storms.
>>There is no indication they are even Jews. Or they could be Poles, or
>>Russians, or Czechs. So, what's the use?
>
>
>>Body counts in Vietnam were also elevated in order to impress
>>commanders. 
>
>>Besides, this  (the socalled genocide documentation) is a faked report concocted by Soviet Jews
>>after the war and presented as real to an adoring horde of Allies ready
>>to believe anything bad about the German command. 
>
>>And why not? Jews
>>owned all the news and film companies. No one else had a chance to
>>publish but them. So they misused their ownership to further the cause
>>of an Israeli State by claiming the Holocaust demaned it for Jewish
>>safety. Pretty nifty plot, actually.
>
>
>>WARNING: Please be advised that the usual suspect history
>>books, old tribunals, Nizkor, and the newly constructed
>>USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)
>>contain mostly the old, discredited testimonies prepared by
>>the NKVD, a Soviet Jewish Propaganda and Executionist
>>Organization which was in charge of the Nuremberg Trial.
>
>Don't forget that the well-known JEW DZERZHINSKI established the
>terrorist murder organisation - the Soviet secret Police for his
>brother JEWS running communism!!!
>
>
>>The NKVD was responsible for the murder of the 25,000
>>Polish Officers at Katyn Forest. At the Nuremberg Trial, the
>>NKVD presented false testimony from false witnesses who
>>claimed to have seen the Germans in Katyn lining up the
>>Polish Officers and executing them day-by-day. This was a
>>fabrication. Since the NKVD ran the investigations and
>>prosecution of the Nuremberg Trial and presented false
>>evidence as well as discredited testimony which is totally
>>inadmissable in court because it was taken under extensive
>>torture sessions in order to force people to sign false
>>documents, nothing presented at that Trial is trustworthy.
>
>>All of it must be discarded as false and a Stalinist attempt to
>>paint the Germans as genocidal nation, when, in fact, it was
>>the Soviet Jewish State that killed nearly 100 million
>>Christians, 1920-1940.
>
>> Our Jewish controlled newspapers
>>will never print that fact. If you wish to find honest studies
>>of the holocaust
>
>Actually the earlier so-called holocaust was the extermination of the
>Armenians by the Turks in 1913
>
>The WWII HOLOHOAX seems to be just that - a HOAX
>
>>--all of it backed up by solid, indisputable
>>facts--in easy-to-find-formats including the most recent
>>discoveries of historians and scientists who have spent a
>>lifetime studying this period of world war two, stay clear of
>>Nizkor. Instead, visit a compendium of factual information
>>prepared by experts at
>
>>THE CODOH PROJECT
>>http://www.codoh.com/subjindex.html
>
>>Goy Boy 
>
>



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>>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:20:03 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:35:54 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, adam.radek@england.com wrote:
>>>>>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>>>>
>>>>>>The Village Voice
>>>>>>22May98
>>>>
>>>>If the following story is true, why has INTERPOL not done anything??
>>>>Just because the criminals are JEWS??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>>>>
>>>>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>>>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>>>>Art-Smuggling 'Red Mafia'
>>>>
>>>>>by Robert I. Friedman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In two posh villas outside  the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>>>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>>>>terrified victims. The  mob's young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>>>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>>>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>>>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>>>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>>>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>>>>
>>>>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>>>>the Red Mafia, a notorious  Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>>>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>>>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>>>>as New Zealand.
>>>>>
>>>>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a  52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>>>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>>>>''Brainy Don''--he holds an economics degree from  the University of
>>>>>Lvov--and until now, he has never  been exposed by the media. But the
>>>>>Voice has  obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and  Israeli
>>>>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and   these documents--as well
>>>>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>>>>law  enforcement sources here and abroad--describe him as someone who
>>>>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>>>>
>>>>>''He's the most powerful mobster in the world,'' crows Monya Elson, who
>>>>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich's closest
>>>>>associates and  partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>>>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>>>>known as Monya's Brigada,  is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>>>>Center in  lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>>>>extortions.
>>>>
>>>>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>>>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>>>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>>>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive  money-laundering scheme in
>>>>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>>>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>>>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>>>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>>>>perestroika.
>>>>>
>>>>>''If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,'' boasted
>>>>>Elson. ''I lived with him. I'm his partner, don't forget. We are very,
>>>>>very close friends. I don't mean close, I mean very, very close. He's my
>>>>>best friend.'' Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>>>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>>>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>Allegations of Mogilevich's devilish array of criminal activities are
>>>>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>>>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>>>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>>>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow's
>>>>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ''smugglers' paradise,'' says
>>>>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>>>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>>>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>>>>Mogilevich's apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>>>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>>>>against terrorism.
>>>>>
>>>>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>>>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>>>>Germany,  including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>>>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>>>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>>>>anonymity.
>>>>>
>>>>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>>>>Mogilevich's chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>>>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>>>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich's man from L.A. said the Red
>>>>>Mafia would dispose of  the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>>>>''probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,''
>>>>>says a classified FBI report.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>>>>reached an agreement with the  leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>>>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>>>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>>>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>>>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>>>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>>>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of  art
>>>>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>>>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich's operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>>>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>>>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ''restoration.''
>>>>>Mogilevich's men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to  an unwitting
>>>>>Sotheby's auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>>>>as well as other ''restored'' objects back to Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>>MOGILEVICH'S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>>>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>>>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of  the same
>>>>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>>>>>
>>>>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>>>>1980s, when tens of thousands of  Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>>>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>>>>assets--rubles, furniture, and art--cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>>>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ''hard''
>>>>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>>>>profits.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum  import-export company, Arbat
>>>>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>>>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners--with a
>>>>>quarter share of the company--was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>>>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>>>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>>>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>>>>in upstate New York.
>>>>>
>>>>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>>>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>>>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received  Israeli
>>>>>citizenship. He ''succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel'' and
>>>>>''developing significant and influential [political] ties,'' says an
>>>>>Israeli intelligence report.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>>>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>>>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>>>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and  Kiev--called the
>>>>>''Black and White Clubs''--that has become one of the world's foremost
>>>>>centers of  prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>>>>according to his own admission and classified FBI  documents. The Black
>>>>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich's operations. He
>>>>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization,  in the mode of
>>>>>a traditional American mafia family.  Indeed, many of the organization's
>>>>>250 members are his relatives.
>>>>>
>>>>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>>>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary's arms industry.
>>>>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>>>>>
>>>>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>>>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>>>>the London  branch of Banque Francaise De L'orean.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>>>>established in 1991 by two  Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>>>>industry,  who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>>>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>>>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>>>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>>>>>
>>>>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>>>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>>>>a license enabling him to buy and sell  weapons. Now a legitimate
>>>>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>>>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>>>>Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn't  sustain his empire
>>>>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>>>>documented example of  a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>>>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>>>>Mogilevich's top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>>>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>>>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>>>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>>>>>
>>>>>In Europe and Russia, the ''corruption of police and public officials
>>>>>has been part of the Semion  Mogilevich Organization's modus operandi,''
>>>>>says a classified FBI document. ''The corruptive influence of  the
>>>>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>>>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>>>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>>>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking  information for use in the
>>>>>Russian political campaign.'' An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>>>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence.  Mogilevich also paid
>>>>>off a Russian judge to secure  Vyacheslav Ivankov's early release from a
>>>>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>>>>according to U.S. court records and  classified FBI documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>>>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>>>>contract with  Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian  mob.
>>>>>The charges were made by several sources,   including Pierre Delilez, a
>>>>>highly regarded Belgium  police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>>>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND,  police in Belgium,
>>>>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>>>>investigate  the ''Brainy Don.'' If the television report is accurate,
>>>>>one possible motive for BND's deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>>>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ''pulled their people
>>>>>out of Moscow  because they didn't like the level of cooperation they
>>>>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the  Russian mob.''
>>>>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>>>>their rivals.
>>>>>
>>>>>MOGILEVICH'S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>>>>says a classified FBI report.  He has set up companies in Los
>>>>>Angeles--FNJ Trade Management--and Newton, Pennsylvania--YBM  Magnex
>>>>>International--as well as dozens of shell  companies, which have
>>>>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>>>>Mogilevich's  financial operations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of  the organized-crime
>>>>>strike force, led a a joint FBI,  IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM's
>>>>>offices in  Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with  Canadian and
>>>>>U.S. police citing the company's alleged ties to Russian organized
>>>>>crime. YBM is  publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and  two
>>>>>days before Friday's raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>>>>Canadian authorities.
>>>>>
>>>>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>>>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>>>>out why the  INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>>>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>>>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>>>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he's on the department's
>>>>>watch list of  international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>>>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>>>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson  and Ivankov.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>>>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>>>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of  one of the most
>>>>>ruthless organized-crime families in  recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>>>>''We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>>>>this stuff.'' He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>>>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn't believe them.
>>>>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>>>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>>>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>>>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in  a New York
>>>>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>>>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>>>>the  first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of  money controlled
>>>>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>>>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>>>>were liquidated and the funds were moved  through a mafia-controlled
>>>>>bank in Chelsea.)  Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>>>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star  Viennese hotel,
>>>>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>>>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>>>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>>>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>>>>lieutenant in Mogilevich's organization and has arranged contract
>>>>>killings here, supplying the  weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>>>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>>>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>>>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>>>>government's charges, and that they are ''total bullshit.'' Although he
>>>>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich's son, Oleg, was convicted
>>>>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>>>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg's business card  identified his
>>>>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>>>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>>>>released.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oleg's uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>>>>New York City, arrived in the  Big Apple after having survived a
>>>>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>>>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>>>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>>>>though Vladimir  Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>>>>Russian mob.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>>>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>>>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>>>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech  Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>>>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>>>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>>>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>>>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ''He also  ingratiates himself
>>>>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>>>>groups'  activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good  citizen,''
>>>>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with  his strong leadership
>>>>>qualities, his acute financial  skills, his talented and highly educated
>>>>>associates,  and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far  made
>>>>>the ''Brainy Don'' impervious to prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.



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>On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:50:28 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:16:58 GMT, sbjarnason wanted to
>>include the whole article:

>>What is the final number of wealthy Chinese who returned to Hong Kong
>>in 1997?
>>
>>The 200,000 refers only to the first 6 months of 1997.
>>This must have put a major economic drain on the economies of those
>>cities such as Toronto, Vancouver and Edmonton, where Chinese used to
>>locate.
>>
>>On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:26:44 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>
>>>A major reason for the return of more than 200,000 Canadian Chinese
>>>between January and June 1997, as reported by Canadian media, is the
>>>extortionate taxes in Canada.
>>
>>>Last year, the JEW Bronfmans took more than 2.2 BILLION dollars out of
>>>Canada, WITHOUT PAYING THEIR TAXES!!!
>>
>>>The same day that the Auditor-general of canada exposed this, the
>>>finance minister amended the Income Tax Act, so that the Chinese
>>>immigrants would now have to pay INCOME TAXES ON THEIR OVERSEAS
>>>ASSETS, not just on the INCOME coming into Canada.
>>
>>>This is now almost a half page section of the 1996 year Income Tax
>>>returns.
>>
>>>As a result, those Canadian Chinese who have brains, have left Canada,
>>>together with their billions, without paying the extortionate canadian
>>>Income Taxes.
>>
>>>At the same time, they have sold their real estate in vancouver,
>>>Toronto and Edmonton, even at a loss, just to get out of Canada, and
>>>have also closed down many businesses.
>>
>>>Canada is now experiencing dramatic drops in the value of real estate
>>>in most cities, as the Chinese investors and speculators abandon the
>>>country.
>>
>>
>>>>In article <19971007201501.QAA07156@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>>>>  clturnomad@aol.com (Clturnomad) wrote:
>>
>>>>> I am doing research for an article I am writing about Hong Kong, and I am
>>>>>  interested in people's response to the following question:
>>
>>>>> In the last few years, there has been a surge of "returnees" to Hong Kong -
>>>>>  people who left the territory to get a foreign passport, and have now
>>>>>  returned.  My question is this:  Why do Hong Kong people who have emigrated
>>>>>  to, say, Canada or the US, and maybe even spent years living in their new
>>>>>  home, feel the desire to return to Hong Kong?  Is there anything about Hong
>>>>>  Kong that is really that much better than the US or Canada?
>>sven88
>>
>>



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Came across the following article, which proves mail thefts in Canada
are much worse...  

People in Canada are not sending as much mail this Christmas, because
of extensive reports about thefts by Canada Post.

Also, because Canada Post unilaterally reduced the commissions to
sub-post offices from 17% to 5%, many postal workers are now openly
suggesting to customers more reliable, theft-free alternatives, such
as UPS,FEDEX, even Greyhound.


On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>mail this year, because of concern about theft??
>
>
>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:43:26 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>
>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>what
>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>Friedrich
>>>                                                                    
>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>
>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>
>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>wrote:
>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>
>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>
>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>
>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>
>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>
>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>
>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>
>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>
>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>
>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>
>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>
>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>
>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>
>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>
>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>
>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>
>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>
>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>
>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>as other media.




On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 00:24:26 +0800, "Mirage" 
wrote:

>There are a lot of thieves working as postman in Malaysia. Those bank draft
>posted ordinarily in sealed envelopes can hardly reach the addressee. I
>experienced twice with cheques posted from Johor and Penang to a Singapore
>address.....but it never reached its destination. About two weeks ago, and
>just for the sake of experimenting, I posted two envelopes from K.L......One
>was inserted with a sheet of cut-out magazine and the other was stuffed with
>a spoilt cheque made out to a fictitious name. And as expected the one with
>the cheque never arrive and the one with the magazine sheet arrived intact.
>It shows that the Malaysian Postal System is unreliable and lots of stealing
>are going on. These postal people may try their luck........just in case
>they may find a "CASH CHEQUE" ........well, no harm......just throw them
>away if is crossed. Is there anyone out there who may have face this same
>"thieves-ting" problems?
>



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>On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:03:23 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:42:53 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>>>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>>>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>Orest Slepokura  wrote:


>>>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
>>> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...


>>>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>>>
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>
>>>                              
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>>>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>>>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>>>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>>>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>>
>>>                              The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>>>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>>>Herald, he wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>>>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>>>silence.
>>>
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>>>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>>>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>>>exterminations.
>>>
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>>>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>>>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>>>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>>>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>>>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>>>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>>>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>>>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>>>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>>>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>>>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>>>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>>>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>>>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>>>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>>>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>>>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>>
>>>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>>>not too high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>>>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>>>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>>>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>>>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>>>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>>>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>>>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>>>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>>>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>>>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>>>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>>>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>>>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>>>to Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>>>mislead the Jews.
>>>
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>>>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>>>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>>>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>>>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>>>Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>>>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>>>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>>>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>>>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>>>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>>>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>chiefs
>>>.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>>>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>>>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>>>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>>>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>>>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>>>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>>>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>>>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>>>on the other hand.
>>>
>>>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>>>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>>>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>>>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>>>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>>>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>>>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>>>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>>>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>>>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>>>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>>>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>>>S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>>>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>>>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>>>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>>>negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>>>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>>>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>>>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>>>declared in the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>>>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>>>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>>>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>>>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>>>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>>>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>>>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>>>affidavit given in favor of a war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>>>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>>>his Nazi 
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>>>pounds as court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>>>1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>>>criminal libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>>>appeal filed.
>>>
>>>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>>>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>>>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>>>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>>>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>>>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>>>'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>>>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>>>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>>>'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>>>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>>>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>>>'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>>>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner. They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>>>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>>>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>>>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>>>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>>>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>>>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>>>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>>>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>>>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>>>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>>>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>>>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>>>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>>>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>>>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>>>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>>>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>>>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>>>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>>>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>>>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>>>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>>>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>>>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>>>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>>>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>>>many or should he disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>>>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>>>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>>>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>>>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>>>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>>
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>>>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>>>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>>>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>>>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>>>what was known to them and did not warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>>>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>>>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>>>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>>>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>>>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>>>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>>>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>>>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>>>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>>>judgements on the guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>>>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>>>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>>>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>>>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>>>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>>>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>>>result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>>>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>>>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>>>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>>>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>>>thousands would have been able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>>>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>>>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>>>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>>>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>>>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>>>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>>>to a claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>>>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>>>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>>>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>>>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>>>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>>>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>>>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>>>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>>>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>>>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>>>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>>>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>>>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>>>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>>>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>>>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>>>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>>>occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>>>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>>>proof of  evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>>>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>>>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>>>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>>>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>>>of events it throws retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>>>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>>>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>>>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>>>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>>>fear of what might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>>>on trial .
>>>
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>>>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>>>eventually to Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>>>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>>>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>>>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>>>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>>
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>>>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>>>murder trial).
>>>
>>>
>>>sven88



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One wonders, why do the jews ignore the Holocaust of the Armenians, by
the Turks, early this century??

On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:18:23 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Sat, 7 Nov 1998 22:43:51 +0100, "newsreader"  wrote:
>
>>first you have to determine if there had been a jewish holocaust in the
>>terms it has been transmitted, then you can make your recruiting... as for
>>all the genocides I bet none of them is that important in your eyes as the
>>"holocaust", so at least be sincere about your intentions to further the
>>couch-potatoes manipulation that has been carried out by all the
>>jew-controlled media since decades.
>>
>>>               THE HOLOCAUST/GENOCIDE PROJECT
>
>On 7 Aug 1998 10:28:43 GMT, pankiewicz@sun1000.pwr.wroc.pl (Jerzy
>Pankiewicz) wrote:
>
>>In soc.culture.jewish Simcha Streltsov  wrote:
>>: _Soviet_-occupied Lithuania and trying to escape it, not _German_.
>>
>>: and to help you better understand that not all people who want to
>>: compare "holocausts" - however silly all these comparisons are - have
>>: some justification - for years, some historians were 
>>: minimizing Soviet and Chinsese murderers while publishing about Germany 
>>: due to their political views - such treatment obviously invites
>>: backlash - so you will be better off assuring them that you are not part
>>: of that crowd instead of immediately antagonizing people who may or may 
>>: not have sinister motives
>
>
>Notice that the JEW HOLOHOAXERS, who benefit financially from the
>extortion they demand of foreign governments, just refuse to answer
>legitimate questions??
>
>
>On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:45:58 -0600, B'nai B'ruce  wrote:
>>Daniel Keren wrote:
>>> ASMarques  writes:
>
>>> [A great deal of empty rhetoric deleted]
>
>>I have seen these photos. There is no indication in any of them of an
>>atrocity. These persons may have died from typhus, exposure, or other
>>natural cause. There is no indication of torture, gassing, or execution
>>by gunfire.
>
>
>Hoewever, if normal people actually questioned, as do you, then
>perhaps the HOLOHOAX would be exposed for what it is, massive
>extortion!!!
>
>
>>So, what is the use of using them here, since they are worthless in
>>proving a thing? Just to prove the "big lie" of a holocaust that didn't
>>happen. 
>
>>These might be Germans killed in Dresden by concussion or lack
>>of oxygen in the atrocity the Allies committed there in the fire storms.
>>There is no indication they are even Jews. Or they could be Poles, or
>>Russians, or Czechs. So, what's the use?
>
>
>>Body counts in Vietnam were also elevated in order to impress
>>commanders. 
>
>>Besides, this  (the socalled genocide documentation) is a faked report concocted by Soviet Jews
>>after the war and presented as real to an adoring horde of Allies ready
>>to believe anything bad about the German command. 
>
>>And why not? Jews
>>owned all the news and film companies. No one else had a chance to
>>publish but them. So they misused their ownership to further the cause
>>of an Israeli State by claiming the Holocaust demaned it for Jewish
>>safety. Pretty nifty plot, actually.
>
>
>>WARNING: Please be advised that the usual suspect history
>>books, old tribunals, Nizkor, and the newly constructed
>>USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)
>>contain mostly the old, discredited testimonies prepared by
>>the NKVD, a Soviet Jewish Propaganda and Executionist
>>Organization which was in charge of the Nuremberg Trial.
>
>Don't forget that the well-known JEW DZERZHINSKI established the
>terrorist murder organisation - the Soviet secret Police for his
>brother JEWS running communism!!!
>
>
>>The NKVD was responsible for the murder of the 25,000
>>Polish Officers at Katyn Forest. At the Nuremberg Trial, the
>>NKVD presented false testimony from false witnesses who
>>claimed to have seen the Germans in Katyn lining up the
>>Polish Officers and executing them day-by-day. This was a
>>fabrication. Since the NKVD ran the investigations and
>>prosecution of the Nuremberg Trial and presented false
>>evidence as well as discredited testimony which is totally
>>inadmissable in court because it was taken under extensive
>>torture sessions in order to force people to sign false
>>documents, nothing presented at that Trial is trustworthy.
>
>>All of it must be discarded as false and a Stalinist attempt to
>>paint the Germans as genocidal nation, when, in fact, it was
>>the Soviet Jewish State that killed nearly 100 million
>>Christians, 1920-1940.
>
>> Our Jewish controlled newspapers
>>will never print that fact. If you wish to find honest studies
>>of the holocaust
>
>Actually the earlier so-called holocaust was the extermination of the
>Armenians by the Turks in 1913
>
>The WWII HOLOHOAX seems to be just that - a HOAX
>
>>--all of it backed up by solid, indisputable
>>facts--in easy-to-find-formats including the most recent
>>discoveries of historians and scientists who have spent a
>>lifetime studying this period of world war two, stay clear of
>>Nizkor. Instead, visit a compendium of factual information
>>prepared by experts at
>
>>THE CODOH PROJECT
>>http://www.codoh.com/subjindex.html
>
>>Goy Boy 
>
>



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>>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:20:03 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:35:54 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, adam.radek@england.com wrote:
>>>>>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>>>>
>>>>>>The Village Voice
>>>>>>22May98
>>>>
>>>>If the following story is true, why has INTERPOL not done anything??
>>>>Just because the criminals are JEWS??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>>>>
>>>>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>>>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>>>>Art-Smuggling 'Red Mafia'
>>>>
>>>>>by Robert I. Friedman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In two posh villas outside  the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>>>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>>>>terrified victims. The  mob's young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>>>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>>>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>>>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>>>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>>>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>>>>
>>>>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>>>>the Red Mafia, a notorious  Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>>>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>>>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>>>>as New Zealand.
>>>>>
>>>>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a  52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>>>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>>>>''Brainy Don''--he holds an economics degree from  the University of
>>>>>Lvov--and until now, he has never  been exposed by the media. But the
>>>>>Voice has  obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and  Israeli
>>>>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and   these documents--as well
>>>>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>>>>law  enforcement sources here and abroad--describe him as someone who
>>>>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>>>>
>>>>>''He's the most powerful mobster in the world,'' crows Monya Elson, who
>>>>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich's closest
>>>>>associates and  partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>>>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>>>>known as Monya's Brigada,  is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>>>>Center in  lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>>>>extortions.
>>>>
>>>>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>>>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>>>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>>>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive  money-laundering scheme in
>>>>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>>>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>>>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>>>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>>>>perestroika.
>>>>>
>>>>>''If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,'' boasted
>>>>>Elson. ''I lived with him. I'm his partner, don't forget. We are very,
>>>>>very close friends. I don't mean close, I mean very, very close. He's my
>>>>>best friend.'' Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>>>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>>>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>Allegations of Mogilevich's devilish array of criminal activities are
>>>>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>>>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>>>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>>>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow's
>>>>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ''smugglers' paradise,'' says
>>>>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>>>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>>>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>>>>Mogilevich's apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>>>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>>>>against terrorism.
>>>>>
>>>>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>>>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>>>>Germany,  including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>>>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>>>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>>>>anonymity.
>>>>>
>>>>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>>>>Mogilevich's chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>>>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>>>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich's man from L.A. said the Red
>>>>>Mafia would dispose of  the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>>>>''probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,''
>>>>>says a classified FBI report.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>>>>reached an agreement with the  leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>>>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>>>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>>>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>>>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>>>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>>>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of  art
>>>>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>>>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich's operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>>>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>>>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ''restoration.''
>>>>>Mogilevich's men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to  an unwitting
>>>>>Sotheby's auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>>>>as well as other ''restored'' objects back to Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>>MOGILEVICH'S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>>>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>>>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of  the same
>>>>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>>>>>
>>>>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>>>>1980s, when tens of thousands of  Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>>>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>>>>assets--rubles, furniture, and art--cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>>>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ''hard''
>>>>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>>>>profits.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum  import-export company, Arbat
>>>>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>>>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners--with a
>>>>>quarter share of the company--was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>>>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>>>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>>>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>>>>in upstate New York.
>>>>>
>>>>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>>>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>>>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received  Israeli
>>>>>citizenship. He ''succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel'' and
>>>>>''developing significant and influential [political] ties,'' says an
>>>>>Israeli intelligence report.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>>>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>>>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>>>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and  Kiev--called the
>>>>>''Black and White Clubs''--that has become one of the world's foremost
>>>>>centers of  prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>>>>according to his own admission and classified FBI  documents. The Black
>>>>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich's operations. He
>>>>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization,  in the mode of
>>>>>a traditional American mafia family.  Indeed, many of the organization's
>>>>>250 members are his relatives.
>>>>>
>>>>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>>>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary's arms industry.
>>>>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>>>>>
>>>>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>>>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>>>>the London  branch of Banque Francaise De L'orean.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>>>>established in 1991 by two  Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>>>>industry,  who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>>>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>>>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>>>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>>>>>
>>>>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>>>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>>>>a license enabling him to buy and sell  weapons. Now a legitimate
>>>>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>>>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>>>>Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn't  sustain his empire
>>>>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>>>>documented example of  a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>>>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>>>>Mogilevich's top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>>>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>>>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>>>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>>>>>
>>>>>In Europe and Russia, the ''corruption of police and public officials
>>>>>has been part of the Semion  Mogilevich Organization's modus operandi,''
>>>>>says a classified FBI document. ''The corruptive influence of  the
>>>>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>>>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>>>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>>>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking  information for use in the
>>>>>Russian political campaign.'' An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>>>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence.  Mogilevich also paid
>>>>>off a Russian judge to secure  Vyacheslav Ivankov's early release from a
>>>>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>>>>according to U.S. court records and  classified FBI documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>>>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>>>>contract with  Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian  mob.
>>>>>The charges were made by several sources,   including Pierre Delilez, a
>>>>>highly regarded Belgium  police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>>>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND,  police in Belgium,
>>>>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>>>>investigate  the ''Brainy Don.'' If the television report is accurate,
>>>>>one possible motive for BND's deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>>>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ''pulled their people
>>>>>out of Moscow  because they didn't like the level of cooperation they
>>>>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the  Russian mob.''
>>>>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>>>>their rivals.
>>>>>
>>>>>MOGILEVICH'S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>>>>says a classified FBI report.  He has set up companies in Los
>>>>>Angeles--FNJ Trade Management--and Newton, Pennsylvania--YBM  Magnex
>>>>>International--as well as dozens of shell  companies, which have
>>>>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>>>>Mogilevich's  financial operations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of  the organized-crime
>>>>>strike force, led a a joint FBI,  IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM's
>>>>>offices in  Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with  Canadian and
>>>>>U.S. police citing the company's alleged ties to Russian organized
>>>>>crime. YBM is  publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and  two
>>>>>days before Friday's raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>>>>Canadian authorities.
>>>>>
>>>>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>>>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>>>>out why the  INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>>>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>>>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>>>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he's on the department's
>>>>>watch list of  international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>>>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>>>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson  and Ivankov.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>>>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>>>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of  one of the most
>>>>>ruthless organized-crime families in  recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>>>>''We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>>>>this stuff.'' He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>>>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn't believe them.
>>>>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>>>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>>>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>>>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in  a New York
>>>>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>>>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>>>>the  first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of  money controlled
>>>>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>>>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>>>>were liquidated and the funds were moved  through a mafia-controlled
>>>>>bank in Chelsea.)  Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>>>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star  Viennese hotel,
>>>>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>>>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>>>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>>>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>>>>lieutenant in Mogilevich's organization and has arranged contract
>>>>>killings here, supplying the  weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>>>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>>>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>>>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>>>>government's charges, and that they are ''total bullshit.'' Although he
>>>>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich's son, Oleg, was convicted
>>>>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>>>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg's business card  identified his
>>>>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>>>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>>>>released.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oleg's uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>>>>New York City, arrived in the  Big Apple after having survived a
>>>>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>>>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>>>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>>>>though Vladimir  Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>>>>Russian mob.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>>>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>>>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>>>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech  Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>>>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>>>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>>>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>>>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ''He also  ingratiates himself
>>>>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>>>>groups'  activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good  citizen,''
>>>>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with  his strong leadership
>>>>>qualities, his acute financial  skills, his talented and highly educated
>>>>>associates,  and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far  made
>>>>>the ''Brainy Don'' impervious to prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.



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On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:24:40 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:

>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>>
>>>Katyn
>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>>
>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant 
>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a 
>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust." 
>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it. 
>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more 
>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them 
>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in 
>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers 
>>>during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the 
>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato, 
>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S. 
>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in 
>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for 
>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the 
>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried 
>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the 
>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>>
>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against 
>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the 
>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing 
>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>>
>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket 
>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their 
>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of 
>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that 
>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to 
>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness 
>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>>
>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large 
>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting 
>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able 
>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened 
>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray 
>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as 
>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on 
>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example, 
>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army 
>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to 
>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans 
>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>of Poland.
>>>
>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they 
>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war? 
>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg 
>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably 
>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the 
>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why 
>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the 
>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered 
>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>in 1940.
>>>
>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and 
>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the 
>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which 
>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The 
>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets 
>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly 
>>>along the River Bug.
>>>
>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared 
>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's 
>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union, 
>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in 
>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass 
>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the 
>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course, 
>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was 
>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>>
>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish 
>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as 
>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in 
>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing 
>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of 
>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and 
>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933 
>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where 
>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the 
>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to 
>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of 
>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the 
>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany 
>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>>
>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France. 
>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could 
>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however, 
>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did 
>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to 
>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his 
>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the 
>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined 
>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though 
>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>>
>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other 
>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin 
>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in 
>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed 
>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through 
>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into 
>>>Russia.
>>>
>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near 
>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from 
>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners 
>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly 
>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local 
>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as 
>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is 
>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had 
>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, 
>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been 
>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American 
>>>FBI.
>>>
>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and 
>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each 
>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the 
>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than 
>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other 
>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans 
>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in 
>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various 
>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in 
>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest. 
>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to 
>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to 
>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from 
>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The 
>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to 
>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most 
>>>of them did.
>>>
>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish 
>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and 
>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets 
>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet 
>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had 
>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly 
>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had 
>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put 
>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk, 
>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one 
>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>>
>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard 
>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were 
>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As 
>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human 
>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the 
>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better 
>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that 
>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful 
>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist 
>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them 
>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia, 
>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>>
>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had 
>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because 
>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the 
>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the 
>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at 
>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the 
>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish 
>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish 
>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and 
>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be 
>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill 
>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken 
>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off 
>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been 
>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn 
>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were 
>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the 
>>>killings.
>>>
>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison 
>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks 
>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands 
>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit. 
>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol 
>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had 
>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what 
>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were 
>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed, 
>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered 
>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of 
>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and 
>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was 
>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>>
>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the 
>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest 
>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed; 
>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not 
>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies 
>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the 
>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal 
>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same 
>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from 
>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940, 
>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported 
>>>back to their governments.
>>>
>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American 
>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet 
>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was 
>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to 
>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide 
>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union 
>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>>
>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who 
>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the 
>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had 
>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by 
>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York 
>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles! 
>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and 
>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other 
>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of 
>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the 
>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and 
>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>>
>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in 
>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not 
>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free 
>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill 
>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't 
>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish 
>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have 
>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been 
>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have 
>>>decided.
>>>
>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years 
>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with 
>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the 
>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is 
>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into 
>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the 
>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies 
>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is 
>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre 
>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of 
>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It 
>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>>
>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western 
>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The 
>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from 
>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the 
>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to 
>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis, 
>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation. 
>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx, 
>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars 
>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who 
>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with 
>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and 
>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland, 
>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>feeling.
>>>
>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is 
>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have 
>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they 
>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have 
>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them. 
>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart, 
>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media 
>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media. 
>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and 
>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>>
>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews 
>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold 
>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the 
>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To 
>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com 
>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message. 
>>>
>>>++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>American Renaissance
>>>http://www.amren.com
>>>
>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>
>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>>
>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>>http://www.14words.com
>>>
>>>National Alliance
>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>>
>>>Stormfront
>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>>
>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>>
>>>
>>>



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>On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:03:23 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:42:53 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>>>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>>>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>Orest Slepokura  wrote:


>>>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
>>> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...


>>>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>>>
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>
>>>                              
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>>>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>>>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>>>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>>>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>>
>>>                              The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>>>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>>>Herald, he wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>>>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>>>silence.
>>>
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>>>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>>>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>>>exterminations.
>>>
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>>>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>>>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>>>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>>>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>>>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>>>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>>>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>>>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>>>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>>>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>>>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>>>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>>>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>>>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>>>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>>>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>>>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>>
>>>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>>>not too high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>>>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>>>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>>>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>>>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>>>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>>>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>>>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>>>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>>>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>>>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>>>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>>>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>>>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>>>to Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>>>mislead the Jews.
>>>
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>>>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>>>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>>>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>>>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>>>Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>>>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>>>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>>>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>>>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>>>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>>>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>chiefs
>>>.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>>>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>>>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>>>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>>>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>>>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>>>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>>>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>>>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>>>on the other hand.
>>>
>>>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>>>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>>>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>>>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>>>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>>>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>>>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>>>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>>>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>>>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>>>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>>>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>>>S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>>>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>>>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>>>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>>>negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>>>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>>>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>>>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>>>declared in the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>>>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>>>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>>>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>>>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>>>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>>>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>>>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>>>affidavit given in favor of a war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>>>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>>>his Nazi 
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>>>pounds as court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>>>1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>>>criminal libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>>>appeal filed.
>>>
>>>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>>>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>>>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>>>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>>>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>>>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>>>'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>>>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>>>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>>>'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>>>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>>>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>>>'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>>>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner. They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>>>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>>>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>>>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>>>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>>>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>>>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>>>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>>>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>>>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>>>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>>>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>>>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>>>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>>>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>>>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>>>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>>>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>>>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>>>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>>>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>>>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>>>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>>>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>>>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>>>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>>>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>>>many or should he disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>>>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>>>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>>>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>>>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>>>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>>
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>>>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>>>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>>>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>>>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>>>what was known to them and did not warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>>>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>>>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>>>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>>>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>>>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>>>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>>>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>>>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>>>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>>>judgements on the guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>>>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>>>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>>>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>>>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>>>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>>>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>>>result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>>>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>>>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>>>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>>>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>>>thousands would have been able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>>>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>>>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>>>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>>>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>>>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>>>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>>>to a claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>>>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>>>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>>>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>>>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>>>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>>>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>>>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>>>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>>>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>>>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>>>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>>>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>>>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>>>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>>>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>>>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>>>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>>>occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>>>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>>>proof of  evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>>>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>>>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>>>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>>>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>>>of events it throws retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>>>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>>>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>>>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>>>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>>>fear of what might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>>>on trial .
>>>
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>>>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>>>eventually to Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>>>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>>>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>>>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>>>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>>
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>>>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>>>murder trial).
>>>
>>>
>>>sven88



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One wonders, why do the jews ignore the Holocaust of the Armenians, by
the Turks, early this century??

On Mon, 09 Nov 1998 19:18:23 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Sat, 7 Nov 1998 22:43:51 +0100, "newsreader"  wrote:
>
>>first you have to determine if there had been a jewish holocaust in the
>>terms it has been transmitted, then you can make your recruiting... as for
>>all the genocides I bet none of them is that important in your eyes as the
>>"holocaust", so at least be sincere about your intentions to further the
>>couch-potatoes manipulation that has been carried out by all the
>>jew-controlled media since decades.
>>
>>>               THE HOLOCAUST/GENOCIDE PROJECT
>
>On 7 Aug 1998 10:28:43 GMT, pankiewicz@sun1000.pwr.wroc.pl (Jerzy
>Pankiewicz) wrote:
>
>>In soc.culture.jewish Simcha Streltsov  wrote:
>>: _Soviet_-occupied Lithuania and trying to escape it, not _German_.
>>
>>: and to help you better understand that not all people who want to
>>: compare "holocausts" - however silly all these comparisons are - have
>>: some justification - for years, some historians were 
>>: minimizing Soviet and Chinsese murderers while publishing about Germany 
>>: due to their political views - such treatment obviously invites
>>: backlash - so you will be better off assuring them that you are not part
>>: of that crowd instead of immediately antagonizing people who may or may 
>>: not have sinister motives
>
>
>Notice that the JEW HOLOHOAXERS, who benefit financially from the
>extortion they demand of foreign governments, just refuse to answer
>legitimate questions??
>
>
>On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:45:58 -0600, B'nai B'ruce  wrote:
>>Daniel Keren wrote:
>>> ASMarques  writes:
>
>>> [A great deal of empty rhetoric deleted]
>
>>I have seen these photos. There is no indication in any of them of an
>>atrocity. These persons may have died from typhus, exposure, or other
>>natural cause. There is no indication of torture, gassing, or execution
>>by gunfire.
>
>
>Hoewever, if normal people actually questioned, as do you, then
>perhaps the HOLOHOAX would be exposed for what it is, massive
>extortion!!!
>
>
>>So, what is the use of using them here, since they are worthless in
>>proving a thing? Just to prove the "big lie" of a holocaust that didn't
>>happen. 
>
>>These might be Germans killed in Dresden by concussion or lack
>>of oxygen in the atrocity the Allies committed there in the fire storms.
>>There is no indication they are even Jews. Or they could be Poles, or
>>Russians, or Czechs. So, what's the use?
>
>
>>Body counts in Vietnam were also elevated in order to impress
>>commanders. 
>
>>Besides, this  (the socalled genocide documentation) is a faked report concocted by Soviet Jews
>>after the war and presented as real to an adoring horde of Allies ready
>>to believe anything bad about the German command. 
>
>>And why not? Jews
>>owned all the news and film companies. No one else had a chance to
>>publish but them. So they misused their ownership to further the cause
>>of an Israeli State by claiming the Holocaust demaned it for Jewish
>>safety. Pretty nifty plot, actually.
>
>
>>WARNING: Please be advised that the usual suspect history
>>books, old tribunals, Nizkor, and the newly constructed
>>USHMM (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)
>>contain mostly the old, discredited testimonies prepared by
>>the NKVD, a Soviet Jewish Propaganda and Executionist
>>Organization which was in charge of the Nuremberg Trial.
>
>Don't forget that the well-known JEW DZERZHINSKI established the
>terrorist murder organisation - the Soviet secret Police for his
>brother JEWS running communism!!!
>
>
>>The NKVD was responsible for the murder of the 25,000
>>Polish Officers at Katyn Forest. At the Nuremberg Trial, the
>>NKVD presented false testimony from false witnesses who
>>claimed to have seen the Germans in Katyn lining up the
>>Polish Officers and executing them day-by-day. This was a
>>fabrication. Since the NKVD ran the investigations and
>>prosecution of the Nuremberg Trial and presented false
>>evidence as well as discredited testimony which is totally
>>inadmissable in court because it was taken under extensive
>>torture sessions in order to force people to sign false
>>documents, nothing presented at that Trial is trustworthy.
>
>>All of it must be discarded as false and a Stalinist attempt to
>>paint the Germans as genocidal nation, when, in fact, it was
>>the Soviet Jewish State that killed nearly 100 million
>>Christians, 1920-1940.
>
>> Our Jewish controlled newspapers
>>will never print that fact. If you wish to find honest studies
>>of the holocaust
>
>Actually the earlier so-called holocaust was the extermination of the
>Armenians by the Turks in 1913
>
>The WWII HOLOHOAX seems to be just that - a HOAX
>
>>--all of it backed up by solid, indisputable
>>facts--in easy-to-find-formats including the most recent
>>discoveries of historians and scientists who have spent a
>>lifetime studying this period of world war two, stay clear of
>>Nizkor. Instead, visit a compendium of factual information
>>prepared by experts at
>
>>THE CODOH PROJECT
>>http://www.codoh.com/subjindex.html
>
>>Goy Boy 
>
>



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>>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:20:03 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:35:54 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, adam.radek@england.com wrote:
>>>>>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>>>>
>>>>>>The Village Voice
>>>>>>22May98
>>>>
>>>>If the following story is true, why has INTERPOL not done anything??
>>>>Just because the criminals are JEWS??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>>>>
>>>>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>>>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>>>>Art-Smuggling 'Red Mafia'
>>>>
>>>>>by Robert I. Friedman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In two posh villas outside  the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>>>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>>>>terrified victims. The  mob's young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>>>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>>>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>>>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>>>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>>>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>>>>
>>>>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>>>>the Red Mafia, a notorious  Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>>>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>>>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>>>>as New Zealand.
>>>>>
>>>>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a  52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>>>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>>>>''Brainy Don''--he holds an economics degree from  the University of
>>>>>Lvov--and until now, he has never  been exposed by the media. But the
>>>>>Voice has  obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and  Israeli
>>>>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and   these documents--as well
>>>>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>>>>law  enforcement sources here and abroad--describe him as someone who
>>>>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>>>>
>>>>>''He's the most powerful mobster in the world,'' crows Monya Elson, who
>>>>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich's closest
>>>>>associates and  partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>>>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>>>>known as Monya's Brigada,  is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>>>>Center in  lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>>>>extortions.
>>>>
>>>>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>>>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>>>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>>>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive  money-laundering scheme in
>>>>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>>>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>>>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>>>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>>>>perestroika.
>>>>>
>>>>>''If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,'' boasted
>>>>>Elson. ''I lived with him. I'm his partner, don't forget. We are very,
>>>>>very close friends. I don't mean close, I mean very, very close. He's my
>>>>>best friend.'' Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>>>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>>>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>Allegations of Mogilevich's devilish array of criminal activities are
>>>>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>>>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>>>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>>>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow's
>>>>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ''smugglers' paradise,'' says
>>>>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>>>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>>>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>>>>Mogilevich's apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>>>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>>>>against terrorism.
>>>>>
>>>>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>>>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>>>>Germany,  including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>>>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>>>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>>>>anonymity.
>>>>>
>>>>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>>>>Mogilevich's chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>>>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>>>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich's man from L.A. said the Red
>>>>>Mafia would dispose of  the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>>>>''probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,''
>>>>>says a classified FBI report.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>>>>reached an agreement with the  leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>>>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>>>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>>>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>>>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>>>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>>>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of  art
>>>>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>>>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich's operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>>>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>>>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ''restoration.''
>>>>>Mogilevich's men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to  an unwitting
>>>>>Sotheby's auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>>>>as well as other ''restored'' objects back to Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>>MOGILEVICH'S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>>>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>>>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of  the same
>>>>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>>>>>
>>>>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>>>>1980s, when tens of thousands of  Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>>>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>>>>assets--rubles, furniture, and art--cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>>>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ''hard''
>>>>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>>>>profits.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum  import-export company, Arbat
>>>>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>>>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners--with a
>>>>>quarter share of the company--was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>>>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>>>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>>>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>>>>in upstate New York.
>>>>>
>>>>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>>>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>>>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received  Israeli
>>>>>citizenship. He ''succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel'' and
>>>>>''developing significant and influential [political] ties,'' says an
>>>>>Israeli intelligence report.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>>>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>>>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>>>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and  Kiev--called the
>>>>>''Black and White Clubs''--that has become one of the world's foremost
>>>>>centers of  prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>>>>according to his own admission and classified FBI  documents. The Black
>>>>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich's operations. He
>>>>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization,  in the mode of
>>>>>a traditional American mafia family.  Indeed, many of the organization's
>>>>>250 members are his relatives.
>>>>>
>>>>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>>>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary's arms industry.
>>>>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>>>>>
>>>>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>>>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>>>>the London  branch of Banque Francaise De L'orean.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>>>>established in 1991 by two  Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>>>>industry,  who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>>>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>>>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>>>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>>>>>
>>>>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>>>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>>>>a license enabling him to buy and sell  weapons. Now a legitimate
>>>>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>>>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>>>>Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn't  sustain his empire
>>>>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>>>>documented example of  a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>>>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>>>>Mogilevich's top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>>>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>>>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>>>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>>>>>
>>>>>In Europe and Russia, the ''corruption of police and public officials
>>>>>has been part of the Semion  Mogilevich Organization's modus operandi,''
>>>>>says a classified FBI document. ''The corruptive influence of  the
>>>>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>>>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>>>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>>>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking  information for use in the
>>>>>Russian political campaign.'' An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>>>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence.  Mogilevich also paid
>>>>>off a Russian judge to secure  Vyacheslav Ivankov's early release from a
>>>>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>>>>according to U.S. court records and  classified FBI documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>>>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>>>>contract with  Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian  mob.
>>>>>The charges were made by several sources,   including Pierre Delilez, a
>>>>>highly regarded Belgium  police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>>>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND,  police in Belgium,
>>>>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>>>>investigate  the ''Brainy Don.'' If the television report is accurate,
>>>>>one possible motive for BND's deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>>>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ''pulled their people
>>>>>out of Moscow  because they didn't like the level of cooperation they
>>>>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the  Russian mob.''
>>>>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>>>>their rivals.
>>>>>
>>>>>MOGILEVICH'S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>>>>says a classified FBI report.  He has set up companies in Los
>>>>>Angeles--FNJ Trade Management--and Newton, Pennsylvania--YBM  Magnex
>>>>>International--as well as dozens of shell  companies, which have
>>>>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>>>>Mogilevich's  financial operations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of  the organized-crime
>>>>>strike force, led a a joint FBI,  IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM's
>>>>>offices in  Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with  Canadian and
>>>>>U.S. police citing the company's alleged ties to Russian organized
>>>>>crime. YBM is  publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and  two
>>>>>days before Friday's raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>>>>Canadian authorities.
>>>>>
>>>>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>>>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>>>>out why the  INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>>>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>>>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>>>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he's on the department's
>>>>>watch list of  international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>>>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>>>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson  and Ivankov.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>>>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>>>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of  one of the most
>>>>>ruthless organized-crime families in  recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>>>>''We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>>>>this stuff.'' He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>>>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn't believe them.
>>>>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>>>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>>>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>>>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in  a New York
>>>>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>>>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>>>>the  first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of  money controlled
>>>>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>>>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>>>>were liquidated and the funds were moved  through a mafia-controlled
>>>>>bank in Chelsea.)  Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>>>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star  Viennese hotel,
>>>>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>>>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>>>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>>>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>>>>lieutenant in Mogilevich's organization and has arranged contract
>>>>>killings here, supplying the  weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>>>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>>>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>>>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>>>>government's charges, and that they are ''total bullshit.'' Although he
>>>>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich's son, Oleg, was convicted
>>>>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>>>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg's business card  identified his
>>>>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>>>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>>>>released.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oleg's uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>>>>New York City, arrived in the  Big Apple after having survived a
>>>>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>>>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>>>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>>>>though Vladimir  Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>>>>Russian mob.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>>>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>>>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>>>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech  Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>>>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>>>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>>>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>>>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ''He also  ingratiates himself
>>>>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>>>>groups'  activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good  citizen,''
>>>>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with  his strong leadership
>>>>>qualities, his acute financial  skills, his talented and highly educated
>>>>>associates,  and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far  made
>>>>>the ''Brainy Don'' impervious to prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.



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>On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 16:03:23 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:42:53 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>>>On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 22:56:46 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>trying to stimulate more interest in this topic,
>>>On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:45:47 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>>>On Fri, 03 Jul 1998 15:00:35 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>Orest Slepokura  wrote:


>>>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
>>> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...


>>>Here  is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.
>>>
>>>The Kastner Case
>>>
>>>                              
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>>involving a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>>>are generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy'
>>>about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for
>>>money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated'
>>>by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>>>
>>>                              The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>>>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily
>>>Herald, he wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>>>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>>>silence.
>>>
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>>>Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>>>number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>>>exterminations.
>>>
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>>>was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>>>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas
>>>chambers...Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your
>>>plans; spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>>bargaining end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars.
>>>With this little fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>>>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben
>>>Hecht, Perfidy, pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>>>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>>stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
>>>operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns
>>>elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on
>>>negotiations with the Jewish political officials in Budapest...Among
>>>them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist
>>>Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>>>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from
>>>resisting deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps -
>>>if I could close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young
>>>Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>>
>>>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was
>>>not too high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver
>>>case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish
>>>and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>>>goal 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>>>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
>>>helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
>>>escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
>>>or so Jews...That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner
>>>(Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>>>of  Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a
>>>prominent Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the
>>>Ministry of Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of
>>>the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court
>>>of Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence  in the false information that they were being transferred
>>>to Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to
>>>mislead the Jews.
>>>
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to
>>>overpower these few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance
>>>activities to the deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish
>>>leaders who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their
>>>community in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the
>>>Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish
>>>Council in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends.
>>>The Nazis did this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom
>>>they favoured, dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good
>>>will during the time of its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the
>>>Nazis succeeded in bringing the Jewish leaders into collaboration with
>>>the Nazis at the time of the catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>chiefs
>>>.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the
>>>S.S. chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of
>>>the extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as
>>>a great personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success
>>>that would also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with
>>>Nazis and the Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of
>>>the nation into two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents,
>>>whom the Nazis promised Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the
>>>great majority or Hungarian Jews whom the Nazis designated for death,
>>>on the other hand.
>>>
>>>An imperative condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis
>>>was that Kastner will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against
>>>the other camp and will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner
>>>fulfilled this condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of
>>>the prominents and treated the camp of the doomed as if they had
>>>already been wiped out from the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>>put down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are
>>>not only the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in
>>>the border area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the
>>>chief of their rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted
>>>quickly to another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case
>>>124/53; Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court,
>>>Jerusalem, June 22,1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>'new line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner's duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the
>>>S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he
>>>concealed the important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name
>>>of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the
>>>prosecution to remove Becher from this status, if they wished to
>>>negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation
>>>in the activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the
>>>last minute fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one
>>>overwhelming truth - that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has
>>>declared in the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth
>>>and no good faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one
>>>moment the good intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because
>>>of his personal intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and
>>>the contradictions and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies,
>>>were sufficient to annul the value of his statements and to prove that
>>>there was no good faith in his testimony in favor of this German war
>>>criminal. Kastner's affidavit in favor of Becher was a wilfully false
>>>affidavit given in favor of a war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one
>>>unproved accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from
>>>his Nazi 
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli
>>>pounds as court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June
>>>1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for
>>>criminal libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an
>>>appeal filed.
>>>
>>>What exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess
>>>such lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I
>>>come here in this court to defend the representative of our national
>>>institutions."(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>>>was not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the  name  of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On
>>>this point  Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not
>>>'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court - that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz
>>>from the majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to
>>>take a thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being
>>>'fully rehabilitated'.
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to
>>>two, found that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and
>>>convicted Greenwald of criminal libel for calling this
>>>'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel
>>>that prove conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner. They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj, people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at
>>>the end of their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation,
>>>saying, 'The Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the
>>>tree'. This vivid description coincides with the testimony of another
>>>witness about the Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in
>>>Hungary, without any ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a
>>>Kastner aide in Budapest, protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>>>Jews of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations
>>>with force against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view
>>>no rescue achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz
>>>news to the Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on
>>>can properly conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not
>>>result from his great despair because of the helplessness of the
>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>Even then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration
>>>and assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate
>>>that Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big
>>>scale...And towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go
>>>very far and say that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent
>>>knowingly, in submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to
>>>save a few Jews from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his
>>>hands by collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out
>>>their plan to exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>>>the extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the
>>>question is not whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save
>>>a few, or vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and
>>>should be defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is
>>>awaiting its doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few,
>>>although part of his efforts involve concealment of truth from the
>>>many or should he disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good
>>>will the blood of the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I
>>>said, I am not arguing with the basic factual findings of the learned
>>>President of the Jewish District Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to
>>>me, with all due respect, that his findings do not, as of necessity,
>>>demand the conclusion he has arrived at.
>>>
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad
>>>leadership both from a moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to
>>>extermination, one has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi,
>>>Brand, Revis and Marton, and many more leaders and half-leaders who
>>>gagged themselves in an hour of crisis and did not inform others of
>>>what was known to them and did not warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on
>>>Kastner of collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish
>>>people in Hungary during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>>>Hungarian Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing
>>>exactly what many other Zionist leaders and half-leaders did -
>>>concealing their knowledge of the Nazi extermination plans so that
>>>Jews would board the trains to Auschwitz peacefully while their
>>>Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not
>>>have a clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are
>>>dealing here with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make
>>>judgements on the guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no
>>>ray of hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as
>>>he, as a result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret
>>>of the extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue
>>>of the few - therefore he acted in good faith and should not be
>>>accused of collaborating with the Nazis in expediting the
>>>extermination of the Jews, even though, in fact, he brought about its
>>>result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and
>>>without the knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion,
>>>the decisive consideration in the problem facing us. The charge
>>>emanating from the testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that
>>>had they known of the Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of
>>>thousands would have been able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom
>>>money, bribery,etc. - and when this is the case and when one deals
>>>with many hundreds of thousands, how does a human being, a mortal,
>>>reject with complete certainty and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency
>>>of all the many and varied rescue ways? How can he examine the tens of
>>>thousands of possibilities? Does he decide instead of God? 
>>>Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer
>>>to a claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he
>>>will come out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he
>>>as an individual erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving
>>>the other patients. He is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal
>>>rescue operation could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never
>>>make this claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in
>>>his report to the Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to
>>>many ghettos in the countryside and pleaded with them to organize
>>>escapes and to refuse to board the trains. And though the story of
>>>these pleadings is untrue, and the silence of Kastner in Kluj is
>>>proven, the very uttering of these statements entirely contradicts the
>>>claim that Kastner had concealed the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness
>>>and activity. Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>>>revolts, and their passion was to have the extermination machine
>>>working  smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner
>>>from the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional
>>>proofs of that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading
>>>tactics which were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of
>>>occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>>>the escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder. This fact is known to every man and one does not need any
>>>proof of  evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>>>rescuing this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this
>>>great war criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his
>>>eyes...I couldn't base the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it
>>>been alone, but when it is attached even from afar to the whole scene
>>>of events it throws retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might
>>>have been under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not
>>>advocate collaboration with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him
>>>to remain a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations
>>>and with an estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for
>>>fear of what might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put
>>>on trial .
>>>
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the  Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not
>>>Auschwitz, in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them
>>>eventually to Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization)
>>>leadership in Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less
>>>delicately, on 3 March 1957 he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately
>>>after the appeal hearings were concluded, and before the judgement
>>>'rehabilitating' him was delivered.
>>>
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the  Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another
>>>'fantastic allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the
>>>murder trial).
>>>
>>>
>>>sven88



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>On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:50:28 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:16:58 GMT, sbjarnason wanted to
>>include the whole article:

>>What is the final number of wealthy Chinese who returned to Hong Kong
>>in 1997?
>>
>>The 200,000 refers only to the first 6 months of 1997.
>>This must have put a major economic drain on the economies of those
>>cities such as Toronto, Vancouver and Edmonton, where Chinese used to
>>locate.
>>
>>On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:26:44 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>
>>>A major reason for the return of more than 200,000 Canadian Chinese
>>>between January and June 1997, as reported by Canadian media, is the
>>>extortionate taxes in Canada.
>>
>>>Last year, the JEW Bronfmans took more than 2.2 BILLION dollars out of
>>>Canada, WITHOUT PAYING THEIR TAXES!!!
>>
>>>The same day that the Auditor-general of canada exposed this, the
>>>finance minister amended the Income Tax Act, so that the Chinese
>>>immigrants would now have to pay INCOME TAXES ON THEIR OVERSEAS
>>>ASSETS, not just on the INCOME coming into Canada.
>>
>>>This is now almost a half page section of the 1996 year Income Tax
>>>returns.
>>
>>>As a result, those Canadian Chinese who have brains, have left Canada,
>>>together with their billions, without paying the extortionate canadian
>>>Income Taxes.
>>
>>>At the same time, they have sold their real estate in vancouver,
>>>Toronto and Edmonton, even at a loss, just to get out of Canada, and
>>>have also closed down many businesses.
>>
>>>Canada is now experiencing dramatic drops in the value of real estate
>>>in most cities, as the Chinese investors and speculators abandon the
>>>country.
>>
>>
>>>>In article <19971007201501.QAA07156@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>>>>  clturnomad@aol.com (Clturnomad) wrote:
>>
>>>>> I am doing research for an article I am writing about Hong Kong, and I am
>>>>>  interested in people's response to the following question:
>>
>>>>> In the last few years, there has been a surge of "returnees" to Hong Kong -
>>>>>  people who left the territory to get a foreign passport, and have now
>>>>>  returned.  My question is this:  Why do Hong Kong people who have emigrated
>>>>>  to, say, Canada or the US, and maybe even spent years living in their new
>>>>>  home, feel the desire to return to Hong Kong?  Is there anything about Hong
>>>>>  Kong that is really that much better than the US or Canada?
>>sven88
>>
>>



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>>On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:20:03 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:35:54 GMT, sbjarnason@gehenna.zhid.org wrote:
>>>>>On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 22:15:39 GMT, adam.radek@england.com wrote:
>>>>>>http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/21friedman.shtml
>>>>
>>>>>>The Village Voice
>>>>>>22May98
>>>>
>>>>If the following story is true, why has INTERPOL not done anything??
>>>>Just because the criminals are JEWS??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The Most Dangerous Mobster in the World
>>>>
>>>>>According to the FBI and Israeli Intelligence, Semion Mogilevich Rules
>>>>>Over an Arms-Trafficking, Money-Laundering, Drug-Running, and
>>>>>Art-Smuggling 'Red Mafia'
>>>>
>>>>>by Robert I. Friedman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In two posh villas outside  the small town of Ricany, near Prague, one
>>>>>of the most dreaded mob families in the world savagely murders its
>>>>>terrified victims. The  mob's young enforcers, trained by veterans of
>>>>>the Afghanistan war, are infamous for their extreme brutality. Their
>>>>>quarry, usually businessmen who have balked at extortion demands, are
>>>>>repeatedly stabbed and tortured, then mutilated before they are
>>>>>butchered. The carnage is so hideous that it has scared the daylights
>>>>>out of competing crime groups in the area.
>>>>
>>>>>The torture chambers are run by what international police officials call
>>>>>the Red Mafia, a notorious  Russian mob family that in onlysix years has
>>>>>become a nefarious global crime cartel. Based in Budapest, it haskey
>>>>>centers in New York, Pennsylvania, Southern California, and as far away
>>>>>as New Zealand.
>>>>>
>>>>>The enigmatic leader of the Red Mafia is a  52-year-old Ukrainian-born
>>>>>JEW named Semion Mogilevich. He is a shadowy figure known as the
>>>>>''Brainy Don''--he holds an economics degree from  the University of
>>>>>Lvov--and until now, he has never  been exposed by the media. But the
>>>>>Voice has  obtained hundreds of pages of classified FBI and  Israeli
>>>>>intelligence documents from August 1996, and   these documents--as well
>>>>>as recent interviews with a key criminal associate and with dozens of
>>>>>law  enforcement sources here and abroad--describe him as someone who
>>>>>has become a grave threat to the stability of Israel and Eastern Europe.
>>>>
>>>>>''He's the most powerful mobster in the world,'' crows Monya Elson, who
>>>>>is listed in classified documents as one of Mogilevich's closest
>>>>>associates and  partners in prostitution and money laundering rings. The
>>>>>Brighton Beach-based Elson, who once led a pack of thugs and killers
>>>>>known as Monya's Brigada,  is currently in the Metropolitan Correctional
>>>>>Center in  lower Manhattan awaiting trial for three murders and numerous
>>>>>extortions.
>>>>
>>>>>In July 1993, after Elson was grievously wounded by rival mobsters in a
>>>>>bloody shoot-out outside his Brooklyn apartment building, Mogilevich
>>>>>spirited him out of the country. Mogilevich then set up his Russian
>>>>>Jewish refugee friend in an alleged massive  money-laundering scheme in
>>>>>Fano, Italy, where he was eventually arrested and extradited back to
>>>>>America. Elson, an integral part of the Red Mafia, had been one of the
>>>>>most feared mobsters in Brighton Beach, ground zero for Russian
>>>>>organized crime in America, which has exploded here following
>>>>>perestroika.
>>>>>
>>>>>''If I tell on Mogilevich, Interpol will give me $20 million,'' boasted
>>>>>Elson. ''I lived with him. I'm his partner, don't forget. We are very,
>>>>>very close friends. I don't mean close, I mean very, very close. He's my
>>>>>best friend.'' Nevertheless, after extensive interviews over the course
>>>>>of the last six months, Elson ultimately confirmed some of the details
>>>>>about Mogilevich contained in the classified FBI and Israeli documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>Allegations of Mogilevich's devilish array of criminal activities are
>>>>>extensively detailed in the reports:The FBI and Israeli intelligence
>>>>>assert that he traffics in nuclear materials, drugs, prostitutes,
>>>>>precious gems, and stolen art. His contract hit squads operate in the
>>>>>U.S. and Europe. He controls everything that goes in and out of Moscow's
>>>>>Sheremetyevo International Airport, a ''smugglers' paradise,'' says
>>>>>Elson. Mogilevich bought a bankrupt airline in a former Central Asian
>>>>>Soviet republic for millions of dollars in cash so he could haul heroin
>>>>>out of the Golden Triangle. Most worrisome to U.S. authorities is
>>>>>Mogilevich's apparently legal purchase of virtually the entire Hungarian
>>>>>armaments industry, jeopardizing regional security, NATO, and the war
>>>>>against terrorism.
>>>>>
>>>>>In one typical criminal deal, Mogilevich and two Moscow-based gangsters
>>>>>sold $20 million worth of pilfered Warsaw Pact weapons from East
>>>>>Germany,  including ground-to-air missiles and 12 armored troop
>>>>>carriers, according to the classified Israeli and FBI documents. The
>>>>>buyer was Iran, says a top-level U.S. Customs official who requested
>>>>>anonymity.
>>>>>
>>>>>In another deal, an FBI informant told the bureau that one of
>>>>>Mogilevich's chief lieutenants in Los Angeles met two Russians from New
>>>>>York City with Genovese crime family ties to broker a scheme to dump
>>>>>American toxic waste in Russia. Mogilevich's man from L.A. said the Red
>>>>>Mafia would dispose of  the toxic waste in the Chernobyl region,
>>>>>''probably through payoffs to the decontamination authorities there,''
>>>>>says a classified FBI report.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich is particularly intrigued by art fraud. In early 1993, he
>>>>>reached an agreement with the  leaders of the powerful Solntsevskaya
>>>>>crime family in Moscow to invest huge sums of money in a joint venture:
>>>>>acquiring a jewelry business in Moscow and Budapest. The business,
>>>>>according to classified FBI documents, was to serve as a front for the
>>>>>acquisition of jewelry, antiques, and art, which the Solntsevskaya mob
>>>>>had stolen from churches and museums in Russia, including the Hermitage
>>>>>in St. Petersburg. The gangsters also robbed the homes of  art
>>>>>collectors and even broke into synagogues in Germany and Eastern Europe
>>>>>to steal rare religious books and Torahs.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich's operation, again in collusion with the Solntsevskaya mob,
>>>>>also purchased a large jewelry factory in Budapest. Russian antiques,
>>>>>such as Faberge eggs, are sent to Budapest for ''restoration.''
>>>>>Mogilevich's men ship the genuine Faberge eggs to  an unwitting
>>>>>Sotheby's auction house in London for sale, then send fake Faberge eggs
>>>>>as well as other ''restored'' objects back to Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>>MOGILEVICH'S EARLY years are murky. Soviet authorities first learned of
>>>>>his criminal activities in the 1970s, when he was a member of the
>>>>>Liubertskaya crime group that operated in the Moscow suburb of  the same
>>>>>name. He was involved in petty thefts and counterfeiting.
>>>>>
>>>>>But Mogilevich made his first millions fleecing fellow Jews. In the mid
>>>>>1980s, when tens of thousands of  Jewish refugees were hurriedly
>>>>>immigrating to Israel and America, Mogilevich made deals to buy their
>>>>>assets--rubles, furniture, and art--cheaply, promising to exchange the
>>>>>goods for fair market value and send refugees the proceeds in ''hard''
>>>>>currency. Instead, he sold their valuables and pocketed the considerable
>>>>>profits.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the 1980s, he established a petroleum  import-export company, Arbat
>>>>>International, and registered it in Alderney, one of the Channel
>>>>>Islands, which is known to be a tax haven. One of his partners--with a
>>>>>quarter share of the company--was Vyacheslav Ivankov, the legendary
>>>>>Russian criminal who in March 1992 became Godfather of the Russian mob
>>>>>in America. Ivankov was convicted in 1996 of extorting two Russian-born
>>>>>Wall Street stockbrokers. He now resides in Raybrook, a Federal prison
>>>>>in upstate New York.
>>>>>
>>>>>In early 1990, Mogilevich fled Moscow, as did many other dons, to avoid
>>>>>the gangland wars that were then roiling the capital. Mogilevich and his
>>>>>top henchmen settled in Israel, where they received  Israeli
>>>>>citizenship. He ''succeeded in building a bridgehead in Israel'' and
>>>>>''developing significant and influential [political] ties,'' says an
>>>>>Israeli intelligence report.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich is married to a Hungarian national, Katalin Papp. That
>>>>>marriage allowed him to legally emigrate to Budapest, Hungary, in 1991,
>>>>>where he began to build the foundations of his global criminal empire.
>>>>>He bought a string of nightclubs in Prague, Riga, and  Kiev--called the
>>>>>''Black and White Clubs''--that has become one of the world's foremost
>>>>>centers of  prostitution. Monya Elson is a partner in the clubs,
>>>>>according to his own admission and classified FBI  documents. The Black
>>>>>and White Club in Budapest became the hub of Mogilevich's operations. He
>>>>>quickly built a highly structured criminal organization,  in the mode of
>>>>>a traditional American mafia family.  Indeed, many of the organization's
>>>>>250 members are his relatives.
>>>>>
>>>>>To the consternation of international law enforcement officials,
>>>>>Mogilevich began to legally purchase much of Hungary's arms industry.
>>>>>The legitimate companies he bought include:
>>>>>
>>>>>-Magnex 2000: a giant magnet manufacturer.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Digep General Machine Works: an artillery shell, mortar, and fire
>>>>>equipment manufacturer, which was financed by a $3.8 million loan from
>>>>>the London  branch of Banque Francaise De L'orean.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Army Co-op: a mortar and anti-aircraft gun factory. Army Co-op was
>>>>>established in 1991 by two  Hungarian nationals, both in the local arms
>>>>>industry,  who were looking for a partner. Mogilevich has bought 95 per
>>>>>cent of Army Co-op through another Channel Island holding company,
>>>>>Arigon, Ltd., and also deals extensively with the Ukraine, selling oil
>>>>>products to the Ukrainian railway administration.
>>>>>
>>>>>These transactions enabled the Mogilevich organization to become a
>>>>>direct owner of the Hungarian armaments industry. In 1994, he purchased
>>>>>a license enabling him to buy and sell  weapons. Now a legitimate
>>>>>armaments manufacturer, one of his companies participated in at least
>>>>>one arms exhibition in the U.S., where it displayed mortars modified by
>>>>>Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like mob bosses everywhere, Mogilevich couldn't  sustain his empire
>>>>>without the help of corrupt police and politicians. There is one
>>>>>documented example of  a criminal associate of Mogilevich mingling with
>>>>>American politicians. In March 1994, Vahtang Ubiriya, one of
>>>>>Mogilevich's top lieutenants, was photographed by the FBI at a tony
>>>>>Republican Party fundraiser in Dallas, says an FBI report. Ubiriya, a
>>>>>high-ranking official in the Ukrainian railway administration, has a
>>>>>prior conviction for bribery in the Ukraine.
>>>>>
>>>>>In Europe and Russia, the ''corruption of police and public officials
>>>>>has been part of the Semion  Mogilevich Organization's modus operandi,''
>>>>>says a classified FBI document. ''The corruptive influence of  the
>>>>>Mogilevich organization apparently extends to the Russian security
>>>>>system. During 1995, two colonels from Department of the Russian
>>>>>Presidential Security Service . . . traveled to Hungary under commercia
>>>>>cover to meet with Mogilevich . . . seeking  information for use in the
>>>>>Russian political campaign.'' An Israeli associate of Mogilevich met
>>>>>with the two colonels and provided intelligence.  Mogilevich also paid
>>>>>off a Russian judge to secure  Vyacheslav Ivankov's early release from a
>>>>>Siberian prison, where he was doing hard time for robbery and torture,
>>>>>according to U.S. court records and  classified FBI documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>On April 28, the German national television network ZDF reported that
>>>>>the BND (the German intelligence agency) had entered into a secret
>>>>>contract with  Mogilevich to provide information on the Russian  mob.
>>>>>The charges were made by several sources,   including Pierre Delilez, a
>>>>>highly regarded Belgium  police investigator who specializes in Russian
>>>>>Organized Crime. Because of this deal with the BND,  police in Belgium,
>>>>>Germany, and Austria have complained that it is now impossible to
>>>>>investigate  the ''Brainy Don.'' If the television report is accurate,
>>>>>one possible motive for BND's deal, says a U.S. law enforcement expert
>>>>>on the Russian mob, is that the Germans recently ''pulled their people
>>>>>out of Moscow  because they didn't like the level of cooperation they
>>>>>were getting from the Russian authorities on the  Russian mob.''
>>>>>Gangsters, said this source, often talk to intelligence agencies about
>>>>>their rivals.
>>>>>
>>>>>MOGILEVICH'S MAIN activity in the U.S. appears to be money laundering,
>>>>>says a classified FBI report.  He has set up companies in Los
>>>>>Angeles--FNJ Trade Management--and Newton, Pennsylvania--YBM  Magnex
>>>>>International--as well as dozens of shell  companies, which have
>>>>>received more than $30 million from Arigon, Ltd., the center of
>>>>>Mogilevich's  financial operations.
>>>>>
>>>>>Last Friday, U.S. Attorney Robert Courtney, head of  the organized-crime
>>>>>strike force, led a a joint FBI,  IRS, INS, and Customs raid of YBM's
>>>>>offices in  Newton. Cartons of documents were seized, with  Canadian and
>>>>>U.S. police citing the company's alleged ties to Russian organized
>>>>>crime. YBM is  publicly traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, and  two
>>>>>days before Friday's raid, trading in its stock was suspended by
>>>>>Canadian authorities.
>>>>>
>>>>>The president and CEO of YBM is Jacob Bogatin, a professor of physical
>>>>>metallurgy. In May 1996, he contacted the FBI in Philadelphia to find
>>>>>out why the  INS had denied visas to YBM employees arriving from Hungary
>>>>>and the Ukraine. When he was rebuffed, he had intermediaries step
>>>>>forward and pester the FBI. The State Department has banned Mogilevich
>>>>>himself from obtaining a U.S. visa because he's on the department's
>>>>>watch list of  international organized-crime figures. Nevertheless, he
>>>>>has surreptitiously entered America under aliases and on visitor visas
>>>>>issued in Tel Aviv to visit Elson  and Ivankov.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bogatin admitted during a telephone interview that Mogilevich owns his
>>>>>company. When asked if he knew that numerous law enforcement agencies
>>>>>here and abroad considered Mogilevich to be a leader of  one of the most
>>>>>ruthless organized-crime families in  recent times, Bogatin replied,
>>>>>''We have an investors relations guy. You want to talk with him about
>>>>>this stuff.'' He added that he had read allegations in the Eastern
>>>>>European press that his boss was a Mafia don, but didn't believe them.
>>>>>YBM vehemently denies that it is connected to Russian organized crime or
>>>>>has engaged in any criminal activities.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bogatin is no stranger to the mob, however. His brother, David, a top
>>>>>Russian crime figure who once served in North Vietnam for the Soviets in
>>>>>an anti-aircraft unit, is now serving an eight-year term in  a New York
>>>>>State prison for a multimillion-dollar gasoline tax fraud scheme. Just
>>>>>prior to trial, he had jumped bail, fleeing to Poland. There he set up
>>>>>the  first commercial banks, which moved vast sums of  money controlled
>>>>>by Russian wiseguys. (This after handing over his mortgages for five
>>>>>pricey Trump Tower apartments to a Genovese associate. The mortgages
>>>>>were liquidated and the funds were moved  through a mafia-controlled
>>>>>bank in Chelsea.)  Eventually he was caught and returned to the U.S. In
>>>>>the meantime, he lived like royalty in a five-star  Viennese hotel,
>>>>>surrounded by a praetorian guard of 125 Polish parachutists, some of
>>>>>them bedecked in shiny gold uniforms.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mogilevich has not refrained from associating with known killers in
>>>>>America, prime among them Elson and Ivankov. A confidential informant
>>>>>told the FBI that Vladimir Berkovich, an L.A. resident, is a chief
>>>>>lieutenant in Mogilevich's organization and has arranged contract
>>>>>killings here, supplying the  weapons and spiriting the killers out of
>>>>>the country. The visas, says the report, were obtained through the Palm
>>>>>Terrace restaurant, a watering hole for Russian gangsters, which
>>>>>Berkovich owns. Berkovich told the Voice that he is aware of the
>>>>>government's charges, and that they are ''total bullshit.'' Although he
>>>>>has no criminal record in the U.S., Berkovich's son, Oleg, was convicted
>>>>>in Los Angeles of solicitation to commit murder on October 11, 1989. He
>>>>>was sentenced to four years. Oleg's business card  identified his
>>>>>employer as Magnex, Ltd., a company owned by Mogilevich in Budapest.
>>>>>Oleg was recently arrested in Hungary on unspecified charges but was
>>>>>released.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oleg's uncle, the colorful Lazar Berkovich, whose last known address was
>>>>>New York City, arrived in the  Big Apple after having survived a
>>>>>shootout with Italian gangsters, says his brother Vladimir. The FBI
>>>>>report claims that Lazar was head of Russian criminal activities in
>>>>>Italy prior to his coming to America to recuperate from his wounds,
>>>>>though Vladimir  Bercovich denies that Lazar was ever connected to the
>>>>>Russian mob.
>>>>>
>>>>>Israeli and U.S. law enforcement sources agree that the Red Mafia,
>>>>>though in existence for a mere six years, has become one of the most
>>>>>formidable Russian organized-crime families in the world. Strongest in
>>>>>the Ukraine, Hungary, the Czech  Republic, and the U.S., Mogilevich has
>>>>>increased his strength by forging ties with other powerful Russian mob
>>>>>groups as well as with the Italian Camorra. His reported ties to the
>>>>>German BND and ex-police officers in Hungary keep him informed of police
>>>>>efforts to penetrate his organization. ''He also  ingratiates himself
>>>>>with the police by providing information on other [Russian crime]
>>>>>groups'  activities, thus appearing to be a cooperative good  citizen,''
>>>>>says a classfied FBI report. This, along with  his strong leadership
>>>>>qualities, his acute financial  skills, his talented and highly educated
>>>>>associates,  and his use of cutting-edge technology, has so far  made
>>>>>the ''Brainy Don'' impervious to prosecution.
>>>>>
>>>>>This document last modified Friday, May 22, 1998, 10:31 AM EDT.



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On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:24:40 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:

>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>>
>>>Katyn
>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>>
>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant 
>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a 
>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust." 
>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it. 
>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more 
>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them 
>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in 
>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers 
>>>during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the 
>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato, 
>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S. 
>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in 
>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for 
>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the 
>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried 
>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the 
>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>>
>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against 
>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the 
>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing 
>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>>
>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket 
>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their 
>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of 
>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that 
>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to 
>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness 
>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>>
>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large 
>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting 
>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able 
>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened 
>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray 
>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as 
>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on 
>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example, 
>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army 
>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to 
>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans 
>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>of Poland.
>>>
>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they 
>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war? 
>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg 
>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably 
>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the 
>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why 
>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the 
>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered 
>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>in 1940.
>>>
>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and 
>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the 
>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which 
>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The 
>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets 
>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly 
>>>along the River Bug.
>>>
>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared 
>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's 
>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union, 
>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in 
>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass 
>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the 
>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course, 
>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was 
>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>>
>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish 
>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as 
>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in 
>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing 
>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of 
>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and 
>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933 
>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where 
>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the 
>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to 
>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of 
>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the 
>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany 
>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>>
>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France. 
>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could 
>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however, 
>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did 
>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to 
>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his 
>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the 
>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined 
>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though 
>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>>
>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other 
>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin 
>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in 
>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed 
>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through 
>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into 
>>>Russia.
>>>
>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near 
>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from 
>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners 
>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly 
>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local 
>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as 
>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is 
>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had 
>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, 
>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been 
>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American 
>>>FBI.
>>>
>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and 
>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each 
>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the 
>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than 
>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other 
>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans 
>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in 
>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various 
>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in 
>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest. 
>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to 
>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to 
>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from 
>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The 
>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to 
>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most 
>>>of them did.
>>>
>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish 
>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and 
>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets 
>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet 
>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had 
>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly 
>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had 
>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put 
>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk, 
>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one 
>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>>
>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard 
>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were 
>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As 
>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human 
>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the 
>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better 
>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that 
>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful 
>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist 
>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them 
>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia, 
>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>>
>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had 
>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because 
>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the 
>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the 
>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at 
>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the 
>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish 
>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish 
>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and 
>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be 
>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill 
>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken 
>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off 
>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been 
>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn 
>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were 
>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the 
>>>killings.
>>>
>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison 
>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks 
>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands 
>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit. 
>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol 
>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had 
>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what 
>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were 
>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed, 
>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered 
>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of 
>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and 
>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers 
>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was 
>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>>
>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the 
>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest 
>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed; 
>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not 
>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies 
>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the 
>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal 
>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same 
>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from 
>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940, 
>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported 
>>>back to their governments.
>>>
>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American 
>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet 
>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was 
>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to 
>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide 
>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union 
>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>>
>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who 
>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the 
>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had 
>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by 
>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York 
>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles! 
>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and 
>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other 
>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of 
>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the 
>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and 
>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>>
>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in 
>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not 
>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free 
>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill 
>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't 
>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish 
>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have 
>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been 
>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have 
>>>decided.
>>>
>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years 
>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with 
>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the 
>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is 
>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into 
>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the 
>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies 
>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is 
>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre 
>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of 
>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It 
>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>>
>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western 
>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The 
>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from 
>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the 
>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to 
>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis, 
>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation. 
>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx, 
>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars 
>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who 
>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with 
>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and 
>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland, 
>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>feeling.
>>>
>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is 
>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have 
>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they 
>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have 
>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them. 
>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart, 
>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media 
>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media. 
>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and 
>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>>
>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews 
>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold 
>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the 
>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>>
>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To 
>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com 
>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message. 
>>>
>>>++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>American Renaissance
>>>http://www.amren.com
>>>
>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>
>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>>
>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>>http://www.14words.com
>>>
>>>National Alliance
>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>>
>>>Stormfront
>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>>
>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>>
>>>
>>>



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:32 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!
>>
>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:
>>
>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.
>>
>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>>
>>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>
>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>Canada!!!
>>
>>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>>
>>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>>
>>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is 
>>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>>
>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>
>>
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>>
>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>>
>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>>
>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>
>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>
>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>
>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>
>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>> >               letters?
>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>
>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>
>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>
>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>
>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>
>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>> >OyVey???
>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>
>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>>> >Check this out!
>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>
>>
>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>
>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>
>>
>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
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>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>
>>
>>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>>Canada!!!
>>
>>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>>
>>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>>
>>
>>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return.... and see if it comes
>>>>from anthing called "Nizkor," or claims that it would... won't that be
>>>>fun, Bill? If you don't get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>>you've got me, eh?
>>
>>>>Please print this form and send to: 
>>>>The Nizkor Project 
>>>>c/o 
>>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>>>xxxxxx Street 
>>>>Toronto, Ontario  
>>
>>>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 
>>
>>>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>>>cheque's memo section. 
>>
>>
>>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>>[#0235903-43-13] 
>>
>>



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On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>mail this year, because of concern about theft??
>
>
>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:43:26 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>
>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>what
>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>Friedrich
>>>                                                                    
>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>
>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>
>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>wrote:
>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>
>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>
>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>
>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>
>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>
>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>
>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>
>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>
>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>
>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>
>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>
>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>
>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>
>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>
>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>
>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>
>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>
>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>
>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>



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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach 
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>                   By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>>   The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>>              NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP
>>
>>   The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>   With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>   The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth".
>>   It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>"extermination camp".
>>
>>             HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS"
>>
>>   Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source,
>>Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.")
>>   The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>   On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>   The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
>>   With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>"Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>>                  THE  PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>>   In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5,
>>"No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."
>>   The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>>   This brings up the following questions.
>>   1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>   2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>   3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>>   4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>>             FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>>   Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>>   Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking."
>>   Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without
>>gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>>                    GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>>   The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>"became immediately gaseous."
>>   The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air."
>>
>>                  CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>>   Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>>               THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>>   At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL!  In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>   A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>   "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning."
>>   WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>   On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>>   It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!"
>>
>>           WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>>   Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps."
>>   Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."
>>   Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>"The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."
>>   Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
>>
>>                WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>>   Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>   Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists."
>>   S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews."
>>   Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews."
>>   Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust
>>victims.
>>   The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>>                 A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>>   The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>>                 HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>>   Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.



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On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>mail this year, because of concern about theft??
>
>
>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:43:26 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>
>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>what
>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>Friedrich
>>>                                                                    
>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>
>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>
>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>wrote:
>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>
>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>
>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>
>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>
>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>
>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>
>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>
>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>
>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>
>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>
>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>
>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>
>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>
>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>
>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>
>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>
>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>
>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>
>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>



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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach 
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>                   By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>>   The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>>              NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP
>>
>>   The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>   With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>   The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth".
>>   It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>"extermination camp".
>>
>>             HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS"
>>
>>   Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source,
>>Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.")
>>   The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>   On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>   The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
>>   With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>"Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>>                  THE  PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>>   In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5,
>>"No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."
>>   The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>>   This brings up the following questions.
>>   1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>   2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>   3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>>   4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>>             FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>>   Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>>   Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking."
>>   Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without
>>gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>>                    GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>>   The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>"became immediately gaseous."
>>   The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air."
>>
>>                  CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>>   Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>>               THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>>   At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL!  In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>   A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>   "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning."
>>   WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>   On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>>   It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!"
>>
>>           WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>>   Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps."
>>   Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."
>>   Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>"The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."
>>   Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
>>
>>                WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>>   Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>   Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists."
>>   S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews."
>>   Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews."
>>   Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust
>>victims.
>>   The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>>                 A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>>   The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>>                 HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>>   Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.



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On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>mail this year, because of concern about theft??
>
>
>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:43:26 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>
>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>what
>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>Friedrich
>>>                                                                    
>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>
>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>
>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>wrote:
>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>
>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>
>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>
>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>
>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>
>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>
>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>
>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>
>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>
>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>
>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>
>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>
>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>
>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>
>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>
>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>
>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>
>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>
>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>



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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach 
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>                   By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>>   The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>>              NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP
>>
>>   The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>   With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>   The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth".
>>   It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>"extermination camp".
>>
>>             HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS"
>>
>>   Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source,
>>Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.")
>>   The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>   On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>   The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
>>   With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>"Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>>                  THE  PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>>   In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5,
>>"No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."
>>   The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>>   This brings up the following questions.
>>   1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>   2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>   3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>>   4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>>             FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>>   Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>>   Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking."
>>   Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without
>>gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>>                    GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>>   The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>"became immediately gaseous."
>>   The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air."
>>
>>                  CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>>   Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>>               THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>>   At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL!  In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>   A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>   "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning."
>>   WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>   On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>>   It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!"
>>
>>           WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>>   Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps."
>>   Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."
>>   Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>"The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."
>>   Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
>>
>>                WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>>   Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>   Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists."
>>   S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews."
>>   Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews."
>>   Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust
>>victims.
>>   The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>>                 A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>>   The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>>                 HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>>   Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.



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On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:03:05 GMT, kengoy88@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:24:36 -0600, Ed Kadach 
>wrote:
>
>>WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST?
>>                   By Dr. E. R. Fields
>>
>>   The Holocaust has become the greatest instrument of sympathy
>>which any nation has ever been able to use to gain support for
>>wars, expansion and foreign-aid: This has made Israel the
>>world's sixth strongest military power. The gravest threat to
>>all this wealth and influence is the growing doubt over the
>>question of whether or not a real holocaust of 6 million Jews
>>actual took place.
>>
>>              NUMBERS OF VICTIMS DON'T ADD UP
>>
>>   The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world
>>Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanacs figures were
>>supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Nest the Jewish owned
>>New York Times of Feb. 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish
>>population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000
>>in the addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine."
>>How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war
>>years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?
>>   With the rise of Hitler to power there were no more than 4
>>million Jews at the most living in areas occupied by the Third
>>Reich at the height of its power. On June 30, 1965, the
>>West German government announced that some 3,375,000 Jewish
>>holocaust "survivors" had applied for reparations money. The Red
>>Cross reported in 1946 that of registered Jewish camp inmates no
>>more than 300,000 could have died. It is interesting to note
>>that in the Jews real "bible", The Talmud, it is claimed that
>>800,000 Jews were slaughtered by the Romans in Hadrians era. Yet
>>there is no historical evidence supporting this claim.
>>   The Jewish owned New York Times, in 1945 carried an article
>>by the well known Jewish writer C.L. Sulzberger. It openly
>>stated Soviet Russia supplied the figure of 4 million Jews
>>having been put to death "in the gas chambers of Auschwitz."
>>Thus it was the communists and the Jews who initially originated
>>these figures which today are accepted as "gospel truth".
>>   It is claimed that from 1934 to 1945 some 50,000 people died
>>in the huge Bergen-Belsen camp. This count is considered
>>exaggerated, still Time Magazine reports that of this figure
>>20,000 died of typhus during the single month of March, 1945! If
>>nearly half died of this plague in just one month at the end of
>>the war there is no way Bergen-Belsen could have been an
>>"extermination camp".
>>
>>             HIMMLER-"REDUCE DEATHS AT ALL COSTS"
>>
>>   Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Concentration Camps issued
>>orders on Dec. 28, 1942, that "The death rate in the
>>concentration camps must be reduced at all costs." (Source,
>>Reitlinger's book, "The Final Solution.")
>>   The camps had been hit with a deadly typhus epidemic that
>>spread by fleas and body lice. Stomach pain, high fever,
>>emaciation and death can quickly follow. All of the camps were
>>factories and the loss of workers was hurting war production.
>>Inspector of the camps, Richard Glucks responded to Himmler's
>>order on Jan 20, 1943, "Every means will be used to lower the
>>death rates." (Source, Nuremberg Tribunal Document No. 1523.)
>>   On April 10, 1943, Oswald Pohl, head of the Economic
>>Administration Office of the camps issued a letter stating that
>>persons with tuberculosis were being sent to the camps resulting
>>in the "shockingly high mortality figures." (Source: Nuremberg
>>Documents.) Later on Sept. 30, 1943, Pohl was able to show that
>>the camp death rate had been reduced from 8.5% in July, 1942 to
>>2.8% in June 1943.
>>   The German SS arrested Buchenwald Commandant, Karl Koch in
>>1943 for mistreating and even executing some prisoners. After an
>>investigation Koch was found guilty by SS Judge Konrad Morgen
>>and shot. Does this sound like a policy of "extermination?"
>>   With suspicion rapidly rising about the holocaust claim a
>>committee of Jewish leaders from New York and Paris met with
>>communist leaders in Warsaw. There they established the
>>"Committee for the Investigation of War Crimes and War
>>Criminals". It was after this meeting that the announcement
>>was made that all gas chambers were located in Poland.
>>
>>                  THE  PROBLEMS OF MASS GASSING
>>
>>   In 1945 it was announced that gas death chambers existed in
>>all concentration camps in Poland, Germany, Austria and Alsace.
>>Some 15 years later, in 1960, this was revised to the new claim
>>that gas chambers existed only in camps located in Soviet held
>>Poland. Simon Weisenthal of the Los Angeles Holocaust center
>>states in the paper, "Books and Bookmen", April 1975, page 5,
>>"No gassing took place in any camp on German soil."
>>   The pressure had been growing since The Vatican, Red Cross,
>>English Intelligence and German Intelligence chiefs Canaris and
>>Oster (who collaborated with the British) either did not know or
>>believe in rumors of gassings.
>>
>>   This brings up the following questions.
>>   1) Germans are meticulous record keepers but there is not one
>>order for the construction of any gas chamber, no blueprint, no
>>photo of any gas chamber or gassed victims.
>>   2) There have been thousands on investigations of alleged
>>Nazi war criminals, hundreds of trials, yet not one person was
>>ever accused of being involved with actual gassings! No reliable
>>witness on either side has ever come forward who saw a single
>>person gassed-AND THERE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN OVER 10,000
>>MASS GASSINGS!
>>   3) Photos of bodies at Dachau and Belsen camps are of
>>prisoners who died of typhus and malnutrition. Many Germans also
>>died from typhus.
>>   4) The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed
>>camp inmates at the end of the war about alleged gas chambers.
>>the response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have
>>not spoken of them." (From the Red Cross document No. 9925, June
>>1946.)
>>
>>             FORCED CONFESSIONS OF GASSINGS
>>
>>   Rudoft Hoess was the commandant of Auschwitz from 1940 to
>>1943. captured by the Soviets they extracted a confession to
>>mass gassings using Zyclon-B gas. Such "confessions" are about
>>as reliable as any forced by Stalin from victims tortured before
>>taking the stand to confess during the Moscow show trials of
>>1936. The communists wrote the "Confession' and Hoess signed it.
>>Later he was hanged. An assistant commandant refused to sign-he
>>died in his cell.
>>   Hoess statement read, "half an hour after having released the
>>gas, they opened the door and started the ventilation machines.
>>They began immediately to extract the bodies while eating and
>>smoking."
>>   Was Hoess trying to get a message across that there were no
>>gassing? Zyclon-B is not "ventable". The manufacturers state
>>Zyclon-B adheres to surface clothing and skin. They say that
>>only after a 24 hour period, wearing a gas mask with the
>>strongest filter, could any bodies be removed without killing
>>such workers. If we believe the Hoess confession that the
>>workers ran into the gas chamber "eating and smoking" - without
>>gas masks - only minutes after the gassing - IF THIS OCCURRED
>>ALL WOULD HAVE DIED!
>>
>>                    GAS STORIES NOT POSSIBLE
>>
>>   The Jew Mosche Pearlmann in his book, "The Capture and Trial
>>of Adolph Eichmann" pages 375 and 385 states Zyclon-B crystals
>>were introduced from the ceilings of the gas chambers and
>>"became immediately gaseous."
>>   The American Cyanamid Co. of Linden N.J. states: "We know of
>>no chemical process whereby HCN (Zyclon-B) may be made to become
>>instantly gaseous upon exposure to air."
>>
>>                  CLAIMS OF WILLIAM SHIRER
>>
>>   Shirer claims the gas was released from overhead through fake
>>shower outlets, (page 970) and quickly killed its victims. The
>>truth is that Zyclon-B gas is lighter than air and would rise to
>>the ceiling so that anyone throwing themselves to the floor
>>would be saved. Shirer also quotes the Soviet written confession
>>signed by Hoess as stating (page 968), "We knew when the people
>>were dead because their screaming stopped." If anyone were
>>actually killed with a cyanide type gas they would die instantly
>>thus there would be no screaming at all. The truth is that
>>Zyclon-B was used to delouse inmates clothing of lice and fleas
>>which carry typhus.
>>
>>               THE PROBLEM OF THE CREMATORIUMS
>>
>>   At the Auschwitz I camp there were only 6 crematory ovens. At
>>the hospital in Auschwitz II there are 46 single cremators. In
>>the Lubin camp there were only 6. THAT'S ALL!  In these three
>>camps 3 to 4 million Jews were supposed to have been
>>exterminated and their bodies cremated. Also, these cremation
>>ovens were very small with only 18' doors and a time period of
>>from 4 to 6 hours burning for each body using a large amount of
>>coal. Cremation for those who passed away was used in the camps
>>to prevent epidemics. Also, no large supplies of coal were ever
>>stored at the camps for cremations.
>>   A VERY INTERESTING NOTE appears only in the German edition of
>>William L. Shirer's book, "The Rise and Fall of the Third
>>Reich." It seems the Didler-Werke Company, which built the
>>crematory ovens, sued Shirer who previously wrote that millions
>>of people were gassed and then burned in this company's ovens.
>>In an out-of-court settlement of the suit Shirer agreed to add
>>the following footnote on page 972 of the German edition:
>>   "The Didler-Werke have raised objection to the name of their
>>firm appearing in the chapter concerning the extermination
>>camps. Dr. S. Trastel, a professor of engineering in a statement
>>of Aug. 1961 established that the measurements are those which
>>are standard for a crematory oven of not very modern design
>>intended for small cemeteries and would be unsuitable for mass
>>burning."
>>   WHY IS THIS DELETED FROM THE ENGLISH EDITION???
>>   On the question of cremating 6,000,000 people - this would
>>leave 15,000 tons of ashes! Such gigantic piles of ashes created
>>over the short 2 1/2 year period the holocaust supposedly took
>>place would have been very difficult to dispose of. No one has
>>ever come forward to report seeing such huge piles of tons of
>>ashes.
>>   It was not until 1960 that the Soviets opened the Auschwitz
>>camp to tourists and independent investigators. No gas chamber
>>could be found. The official answer was that it was "taken to
>>another camp for gassings and then later went into oblivion!"
>>
>>           WHAT EXPERTS SAY ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST
>>
>>   Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes, eminent historian, author of 40
>>books, many standard college texts, noted in Rampart Journal,
>>1967. "It has been demonstrated that there had been no
>>systematic extermination in those camps."
>>   Thies Christopherden, a German soldier and author: "I was at
>>Auschwitz! There was no gas chamber there."
>>   Paul Rassiner, historian and anti-Nazi activist, who served a
>>prison sentence in Buchenwald and the Dora camps stated in 1962.
>>"The claim that a holocaust took place is an historic lie - the
>>most tragic and most macabre imposture of all time."
>>   Prof. Robert Faurisson, a specialist in Document Analysis at
>>the University of Lyon. France, stated on April 25, 1979. "The
>>holocaust lie, which is largely of Zionist origin, has made an
>>enormous political and financial fraud possible, whose
>>principal beneficiary is the state of Israel."
>>
>>                WHY THE HOLOCAUST CAMPAIGN
>>
>>   Hardly a week goes by when there are not stories in the
>>press, on TV-News or movies about the alleged holocaust. What is
>>the long range design for this constant attempt to fill Germans
>>and indeed all Christians with a feeling of guilt over a
>>holocaust which never occurred?
>>   Bernard Postal wrote in the Jewish Week, July 14, 1979, "Not
>>until after the holocaust, did anti-Semitism become taboo. There
>>was a time when anti-Semitic speeches were an open factor in
>>national campaigns. The holocaust put a taboo on overt anti-
>>Semitism among upper-level statesmen and publicists."
>>   S.E.D. Brown of South Africa, a noted journalist writes, "The
>>holocaust instills a guilt complex in those said to be guilty
>>and spreads the demoralization, degeneration, and eventually the
>>destruction of the natural racial elite among a people. This
>>transfers effective political control to the lowest elements who
>>will cowtow to the Jews."
>>   Zionist spokesmen often boast of: "The shattering effect of
>>the holocaust on the Christian conscience resulting in a feeling
>>of collective indebtedness to the Jews."
>>   Massive unending U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel in made possible
>>because anyone who dares to oppose these outrageous giveaways is
>>condemned as being "anti-Semitic" and "insensitive" to holocaust
>>victims.
>>   The Jews hold an unnatural violent hatred for the German
>>people. Jews seek to turn all other peoples of the world against
>>the Germans and keep that nation divided for all time to come.
>>That is why no peace treaty has ever been signed as yet with
>>Germany and they still live under Allied military occupation
>>laws.
>>
>>                 A QUESTION OF FUND RAISING
>>
>>   The Wall Street Journal quotes Jewish professional fund-
>>raising consultant firm of Milton Goldin Co., as saying the main
>>theme of Jewish fund-raising is the holocaust and has been for
>>38 years. When they don't use the holocaust the money collection
>>sharply drops off. Thus the more the Press, TV and Hollywood
>>promotes the holocaust the more money the United Jewish Appeal
>>and other Zionist funds can extract from gullible people.
>>
>>                 HOLOCAUST SILENCES OPPOSITION
>>
>>   Jewish leaders have discovered that by repeating holocaust
>>stories over and over again they can instill a guilt complex
>>within all Gentiles. This effectively silences most critics of
>>Zionist political goals.



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On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:20:31 +0000, Chuck Ferree 
wrote:
>bismarck88@antizhid.org wrote:
>a blank page....tha spammer at work I
>guess.


Here is the missing text, for your benefit....

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:02:29 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:28:24 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>>If there were so many documented JEWS in the German military, one MUST
>>question how many may have died in WWII!!!
>>
>>It seems that the number keeps on increasing, by mythical magic, just
>>as each new lawsuit demanding reparations is filed!!!
>>
>>In other words, soon the number of damn JEW claimants for alleged
>>demise in WWII will exceed the populations of all the countries
>>involved.

>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:43:34 GMT, vagabond@idirect.com (William
>>Markiewicz) wrote:

>>>For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>Communication Page, August 97 issue 
>>>http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>> 
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>> 
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>> 
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>> 
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>> 
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>> 
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>> 
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>> 
>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>> 
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>> 
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>> 
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>> 
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>> 
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>> 
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>> 
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>> 
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>> 
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>> 
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>> 
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>> 
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>> 
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>> 
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>> 
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>> 
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>> 
>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!




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On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:54:08 +0800, "Richard Sochacki"
 wrote:

>My grandfather was murdered by the Soviet's at Katyn.  
>Richard Czeszejko-Sochacki


Care to comment as to whether your father was murdered by the JEW-run
Soviet KGB??

What was wrong with the original article, truthfully documenting the
murder of more than 25,000 Polish officers by the Jew run KGB??

Or, could it be that you support the murders by the Jews??
>chiffre@chambre.com wrote in message <366eb1ea.4833191@news.sprint.ca>...
>>On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:24:40 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>>>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>>>>
>>>>>Katyn
>>>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>>>>
>>>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>>>>during the Second World War.
>>>>>
>>>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>>>>
>>>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>>>>
>>>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>>>>
>>>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>>>of Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>>>in 1940.
>>>>>
>>>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>>>>along the River Bug.
>>>>>
>>>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>>>>
>>>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>>>>Russia.
>>>>>
>>>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>>>>FBI.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>>>>of them did.
>>>>>
>>>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>>>>killings.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>>>>back to their governments.
>>>>>
>>>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>>>>
>>>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>>>>decided.
>>>>>
>>>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>>>>
>>>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>>>feeling.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is
>>>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>>>>
>>>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>>>>
>>>>>++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>American Renaissance
>>>>>http://www.amren.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>>>>http://www.14words.com
>>>>>
>>>>>National Alliance
>>>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Stormfront
>>>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>>>>
>>>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>



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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 02:03:46 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:26:44 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>On 13 Sep 1998 07:18:24 GMT, "William Hubbard" 
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Strakitch tye golevo!
>>>
>>>>Should be shta allah aboukir!!!
>>>
>>>>>bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote in article
>>>>><35ff8fb8.1840244@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:15:29 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote: 
>>>>>> >On 25 Jun 1998 20:41:51 GMT, "Fenian" < fenian@hibernian.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>morgan@shamrock.com wrote in article
>>>>><35995802.2904819@news.nucleus.com>...
>>>>>> >>> On 24 Jun 1998 23:39:44 GMT, bushbadee@aol.com (BUSHBADEE) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> Shouldn't the spelling be KHAZIR, meaning swine???
>>>>>> >>> >>> After all, the Christkillers are lower than the feces of the swine???
>>>
>>>>>> >>> >I have many christian friend and I object to you calling them lower than
>>>>>> >>> >the feces of swine.
>>>
>>>>>> >>> It is not the Christians that are the Christkillers.
>>>>>> >>> Read your Bible, or have your friend read it to you, about the foul
>>>>>> >>> Sanhedrin JEWS, who arranged for the murder of Jesus Christ!!!
>>>
>>>>>> >>> Christ opposed their usury and other financial crimes, being conducted
>>>>>> >>> in the Temples.
>>>



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On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:16:53 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:55:56 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>wrote:
>>>odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>
>>>>   ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>>>   By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>>>> 
>>>>   A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>>>   hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>>>   fined $2,200 in court Tuesday. 
>>>
>>>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was
>>>O.K.
>>>
>>>J.B.
>>
>>
>>From all the articles, that is not what was said. Is it that you don't
>>mind if JEWS are kiddie porn distributors, but feel that catholics
>>should be prosecuted??
>>>
>>>The fine was paid and Stuart David Friedman, a
>>>>   well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>>>   the country for his native United States.
>>>> 
>>>>   It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>>>   hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>>>   collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>>>   connected to an international child pornography ring.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>>>   possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>>>   police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>>>   cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>>>   and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>>>   collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>>>   diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>>>> 
>>>>   ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>>>   Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>>>   Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>>>   material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>>>   Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>>>   from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>>>   ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>>>   pornography that's out there.''
>>>> 
>>>>   Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>>>   September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>>>   regional intelligence officer.
>>>> 
>>>>   Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>>>   want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>>>   photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>>>> 
>>>>   Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>>>   planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>>>   can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>>>   Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>>>   taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>>>   difficult time.''
>>>> 
>>>>   The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>>>   son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>>>   October, Mrs. Fox said.
>>>> 
>>>>   Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>>>   elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>>>   appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>>>   Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>>>   and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>>>> 
>>>>   Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>>>   his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>>>   provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>>>   judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>>>> 
>>>>   ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>>>   Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>>>   public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>>>   they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>>>   get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>>>> 
>>>>   Article Segment 2 of 2
>>>>   (Ge
>>>>   (Get All
>>>> 
>>>>   Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>>>   and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>>>   electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>>>> 
>>>>   Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>>>   that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>>>   conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>>>   with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>>>   intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>>>> 
>>>>   The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>>>   help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>>>   said.
>>>> 
>>>>   Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>>>   specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>>>   this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>>>   enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>>>> 
>>>>   Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>>>   of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>>>   are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>>>   comment.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>>>   $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>>>   ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>>>   confiscated.
>>>> 
>>>>   After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>>>   to be with his family.
>>>> 
>>>>   Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>>>   maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>>>   did say there was a plea bargain.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>>>   in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>>>   posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>>>   prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>>>   prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>>>> 
>>>>   ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>>>   who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>>>   the media.
>>>>   ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>>>   about how we will handle this.''
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>>>   possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>>>> 
>>>>   Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>>>   partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>>>   material.
>>>> 
>>>>   With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>>>   The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>>>> 
>>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
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On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>mail this year, because of concern about theft??
>
>
>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 01:43:26 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>>
>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>what
>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>Friedrich
>>>                                                                    
>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>
>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>
>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>wrote:
>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>
>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>
>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>
>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>
>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>
>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>
>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>
>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>
>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>
>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>
>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>
>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>
>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>
>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>
>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>
>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>
>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>
>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>
>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>
>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>
>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>
>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>
>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>



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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 02:03:46 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:26:44 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>On 13 Sep 1998 07:18:24 GMT, "William Hubbard" 
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Strakitch tye golevo!
>>>
>>>>Should be shta allah aboukir!!!
>>>
>>>>>bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote in article
>>>>><35ff8fb8.1840244@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:15:29 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote: 
>>>>>> >On 25 Jun 1998 20:41:51 GMT, "Fenian" < fenian@hibernian.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>morgan@shamrock.com wrote in article
>>>>><35995802.2904819@news.nucleus.com>...
>>>>>> >>> On 24 Jun 1998 23:39:44 GMT, bushbadee@aol.com (BUSHBADEE) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> Shouldn't the spelling be KHAZIR, meaning swine???
>>>>>> >>> >>> After all, the Christkillers are lower than the feces of the swine???
>>>
>>>>>> >>> >I have many christian friend and I object to you calling them lower than
>>>>>> >>> >the feces of swine.
>>>
>>>>>> >>> It is not the Christians that are the Christkillers.
>>>>>> >>> Read your Bible, or have your friend read it to you, about the foul
>>>>>> >>> Sanhedrin JEWS, who arranged for the murder of Jesus Christ!!!
>>>
>>>>>> >>> Christ opposed their usury and other financial crimes, being conducted
>>>>>> >>> in the Temples.
>>>



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On 11 Dec 1998 20:51:49 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
SOBC) wanted to write and warn the public about tax frauds:

On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:32 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!
>>
>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:
>>
>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.
>>
>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>>
>>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>
>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>Canada!!!
>>
>>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>>
>>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>>
>>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is 
>>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>>
>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>
>>
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>>
>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>>
>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>>
>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>
>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>
>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>
>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>
>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>> >               letters?
>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>
>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>
>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>
>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>
>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>
>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>> >OyVey???
>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>
>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>>> >Check this out!
>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>
>>
>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>
>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>
>>
>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>
>>
>>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>>Canada!!!
>>
>>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>>
>>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>>
>>
>>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return.... and see if it comes
>>>>from anthing called "Nizkor," or claims that it would... won't that be
>>>>fun, Bill? If you don't get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>>you've got me, eh?
>>
>>>>Please print this form and send to: 
>>>>The Nizkor Project 
>>>>c/o 
>>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>>>xxxxxx Street 
>>>>Toronto, Ontario  

>>>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 

>>>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>>>cheque's memo section. 

>>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>>[#0235903-43-13] 
sven88


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On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:16:53 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:55:56 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>wrote:
>>>odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>
>>>>   ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>>>   By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>>>> 
>>>>   A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>>>   hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>>>   fined $2,200 in court Tuesday. 
>>>
>>>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was
>>>O.K.
>>>
>>>J.B.
>>
>>
>>From all the articles, that is not what was said. Is it that you don't
>>mind if JEWS are kiddie porn distributors, but feel that catholics
>>should be prosecuted??
>>>
>>>The fine was paid and Stuart David Friedman, a
>>>>   well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>>>   the country for his native United States.
>>>> 
>>>>   It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>>>   hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>>>   collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>>>   connected to an international child pornography ring.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>>>   possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>>>   police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>>>   cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>>>   and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>>>   collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>>>   diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>>>> 
>>>>   ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>>>   Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>>>   Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>>>   material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>>>   Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>>>   from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>>>   ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>>>   pornography that's out there.''
>>>> 
>>>>   Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>>>   September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>>>   regional intelligence officer.
>>>> 
>>>>   Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>>>   want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>>>   photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>>>> 
>>>>   Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>>>   planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>>>   can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>>>   Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>>>   taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>>>   difficult time.''
>>>> 
>>>>   The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>>>   son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>>>   October, Mrs. Fox said.
>>>> 
>>>>   Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>>>   elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>>>   appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>>>   Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>>>   and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>>>> 
>>>>   Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>>>   his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>>>   provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>>>   judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>>>> 
>>>>   ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>>>   Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>>>   public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>>>   they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>>>   get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>>>> 
>>>>   Article Segment 2 of 2
>>>>   (Ge
>>>>   (Get All
>>>> 
>>>>   Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>>>   and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>>>   electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>>>> 
>>>>   Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>>>   that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>>>   conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>>>   with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>>>   intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>>>> 
>>>>   The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>>>   help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>>>   said.
>>>> 
>>>>   Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>>>   specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>>>   this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>>>   enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>>>> 
>>>>   Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>>>   of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>>>   are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>>>   comment.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>>>   $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>>>   ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>>>   confiscated.
>>>> 
>>>>   After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>>>   to be with his family.
>>>> 
>>>>   Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>>>   maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>>>   did say there was a plea bargain.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>>>   in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>>>   posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>>>   prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>>>   prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>>>> 
>>>>   ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>>>   who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>>>   the media.
>>>>   ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>>>   about how we will handle this.''
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>>>   possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>>>> 
>>>>   Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>>>   partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>>>   material.
>>>> 
>>>>   With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>>>   The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>>>> 
>>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org



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On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:20:31 +0000, Chuck Ferree 
wrote:
>bismarck88@antizhid.org wrote:
>a blank page....tha spammer at work I
>guess.


Here is the missing text, for your benefit....

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:02:29 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:28:24 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>>If there were so many documented JEWS in the German military, one MUST
>>question how many may have died in WWII!!!
>>
>>It seems that the number keeps on increasing, by mythical magic, just
>>as each new lawsuit demanding reparations is filed!!!
>>
>>In other words, soon the number of damn JEW claimants for alleged
>>demise in WWII will exceed the populations of all the countries
>>involved.

>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:43:34 GMT, vagabond@idirect.com (William
>>Markiewicz) wrote:

>>>For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>Communication Page, August 97 issue 
>>>http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>> 
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>> 
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>> 
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>> 
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>> 
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>> 
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>> 
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>> 
>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>> 
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>> 
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>> 
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>> 
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>> 
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>> 
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>> 
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>> 
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>> 
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>> 
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>> 
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>> 
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>> 
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>> 
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>> 
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>> 
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>> 
>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!




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On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:54:08 +0800, "Richard Sochacki"
 wrote:

>My grandfather was murdered by the Soviet's at Katyn.  
>Richard Czeszejko-Sochacki


Care to comment as to whether your father was murdered by the JEW-run
Soviet KGB??

What was wrong with the original article, truthfully documenting the
murder of more than 25,000 Polish officers by the Jew run KGB??

Or, could it be that you support the murders by the Jews??
>chiffre@chambre.com wrote in message <366eb1ea.4833191@news.sprint.ca>...
>>On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:24:40 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>>>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>>>>
>>>>>Katyn
>>>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>>>>
>>>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>>>>during the Second World War.
>>>>>
>>>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>>>>
>>>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>>>>
>>>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>>>>
>>>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>>>of Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>>>in 1940.
>>>>>
>>>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>>>>along the River Bug.
>>>>>
>>>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>>>>
>>>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>>>>Russia.
>>>>>
>>>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>>>>FBI.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>>>>of them did.
>>>>>
>>>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>>>>killings.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>>>>back to their governments.
>>>>>
>>>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>>>>
>>>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>>>>decided.
>>>>>
>>>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>>>>
>>>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>>>feeling.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is
>>>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>>>>
>>>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>>>>
>>>>>++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>American Renaissance
>>>>>http://www.amren.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>>>>http://www.14words.com
>>>>>
>>>>>National Alliance
>>>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Stormfront
>>>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>>>>
>>>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>



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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 02:03:46 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:26:44 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>On 13 Sep 1998 07:18:24 GMT, "William Hubbard" 
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Strakitch tye golevo!
>>>
>>>>Should be shta allah aboukir!!!
>>>
>>>>>bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote in article
>>>>><35ff8fb8.1840244@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:15:29 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote: 
>>>>>> >On 25 Jun 1998 20:41:51 GMT, "Fenian" < fenian@hibernian.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>morgan@shamrock.com wrote in article
>>>>><35995802.2904819@news.nucleus.com>...
>>>>>> >>> On 24 Jun 1998 23:39:44 GMT, bushbadee@aol.com (BUSHBADEE) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> Shouldn't the spelling be KHAZIR, meaning swine???
>>>>>> >>> >>> After all, the Christkillers are lower than the feces of the swine???
>>>
>>>>>> >>> >I have many christian friend and I object to you calling them lower than
>>>>>> >>> >the feces of swine.
>>>
>>>>>> >>> It is not the Christians that are the Christkillers.
>>>>>> >>> Read your Bible, or have your friend read it to you, about the foul
>>>>>> >>> Sanhedrin JEWS, who arranged for the murder of Jesus Christ!!!
>>>
>>>>>> >>> Christ opposed their usury and other financial crimes, being conducted
>>>>>> >>> in the Temples.
>>>



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On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:16:53 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:55:56 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker 
>>wrote:
>>>odessa88@direct.ca wrote:
>
>>>>   ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>>>>   By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>>>> 
>>>>   A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>>>>   hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>>>>   fined $2,200 in court Tuesday. 
>>>
>>>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was
>>>O.K.
>>>
>>>J.B.
>>
>>
>>From all the articles, that is not what was said. Is it that you don't
>>mind if JEWS are kiddie porn distributors, but feel that catholics
>>should be prosecuted??
>>>
>>>The fine was paid and Stuart David Friedman, a
>>>>   well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>>>>   the country for his native United States.
>>>> 
>>>>   It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>>>>   hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>>>>   collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>>>>   connected to an international child pornography ring.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>>>>   possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>>>>   police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>>>>   cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>>>>   and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>>>>   collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>>>>   diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>>>> 
>>>>   ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>>>>   Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>>>>   Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>>>>   material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>>>>   Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>>>>   from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>>>>   ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>>>>   pornography that's out there.''
>>>> 
>>>>   Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>>>>   September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>>>>   regional intelligence officer.
>>>> 
>>>>   Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>>>>   want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>>>>   photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>>>> 
>>>>   Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>>>>   planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>>>>   can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>>>>   Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>>>>   taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>>>>   difficult time.''
>>>> 
>>>>   The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>>>>   son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>>>>   October, Mrs. Fox said.
>>>> 
>>>>   Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>>>>   elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>>>>   appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>>>>   Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>>>>   and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>>>> 
>>>>   Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>>>>   his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>>>>   provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>>>>   judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>>>> 
>>>>   ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>>>>   Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>>>>   public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>>>>   they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>>>>   get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>>>> 
>>>>   Article Segment 2 of 2
>>>>   (Ge
>>>>   (Get All
>>>> 
>>>>   Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>>>>   and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>>>>   electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>>>> 
>>>>   Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>>>>   that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>>>>   conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>>>>   with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>>>>   intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>>>> 
>>>>   The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>>>>   help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>>>>   said.
>>>> 
>>>>   Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>>>>   specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>>>>   this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>>>>   enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>>>> 
>>>>   Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>>>>   of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>>>>   are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>>>>   comment.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>>>>   $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>>>>   ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>>>>   confiscated.
>>>> 
>>>>   After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>>>>   to be with his family.
>>>> 
>>>>   Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>>>>   maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>>>>   did say there was a plea bargain.
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>>>>   in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>>>>   posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>>>>   prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>>>>   prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>>>> 
>>>>   ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>>>>   who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>>>>   the media.
>>>>   ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>>>>   about how we will handle this.''
>>>> 
>>>>   Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>>>>   possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>>>> 
>>>>   Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>>>>   partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>>>>   material.
>>>> 
>>>>   With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>>>>   The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>>>> 
>>>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>>>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org



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On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:20:31 +0000, Chuck Ferree 
wrote:
>bismarck88@antizhid.org wrote:
>a blank page....tha spammer at work I
>guess.


Here is the missing text, for your benefit....

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:02:29 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:28:24 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>>If there were so many documented JEWS in the German military, one MUST
>>question how many may have died in WWII!!!
>>
>>It seems that the number keeps on increasing, by mythical magic, just
>>as each new lawsuit demanding reparations is filed!!!
>>
>>In other words, soon the number of damn JEW claimants for alleged
>>demise in WWII will exceed the populations of all the countries
>>involved.

>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:43:34 GMT, vagabond@idirect.com (William
>>Markiewicz) wrote:

>>>For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>Communication Page, August 97 issue 
>>>http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>> 
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>> 
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>> 
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>> 
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>> 
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>> 
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>> 
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>> 
>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>> 
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>> 
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>> 
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>> 
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>> 
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>> 
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>> 
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>> 
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>> 
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>> 
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>> 
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>> 
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>> 
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>> 
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>> 
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>> 
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>> 
>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!




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On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 20:54:08 +0800, "Richard Sochacki"
 wrote:

>My grandfather was murdered by the Soviet's at Katyn.  
>Richard Czeszejko-Sochacki


Care to comment as to whether your father was murdered by the JEW-run
Soviet KGB??

What was wrong with the original article, truthfully documenting the
murder of more than 25,000 Polish officers by the Jew run KGB??

Or, could it be that you support the murders by the Jews??
>chiffre@chambre.com wrote in message <366eb1ea.4833191@news.sprint.ca>...
>>On Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:24:40 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:
>>>On Sun, 19 Jul 1998 22:06:50 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>On 1 May 1998 13:08:00 +0200, Irmin@nsm.htp.org wrote:
>>
>>>>>American Dissident Voices Broadcast of April 25, 1998
>>>>>
>>>>>Katyn
>>>>>by Dr. William Pierce
>>>>>
>>>>>A background noise that seems never to go away is the constant
>>>>>whining and yammering of the Jews about how the world owes them a
>>>>>living because of their losses during the so-called "Holocaust."
>>>>>They do it, of course, because they make such a big profit on it.
>>>>>The latest flare-up of this Jewish play for a handout came more
>>>>>than a year ago when they began demanding that the Swiss pay them
>>>>>$7 billion, which "Holocaust" victims allegedly had stashed in
>>>>>numbered Swiss accounts before being hauled off to gas chambers
>>>>>during the Second World War.
>>>>>
>>>>>With a few "bought" Gentile politicians fronting for them, the
>>>>>foremost among these being New York's Senator Alphonse D'Amato,
>>>>>the Jews threatened Switzerland with a boycott by the U.S.
>>>>>government if their demands were not met. Instead of laughing in
>>>>>their faces, telling the Jews to go to hell, and gearing up for
>>>>>countermeasures against Israel and other Jewish interests if the
>>>>>Jews tried to proceed with a boycott, the Swiss politicians tried
>>>>>to placate the Jews by offering to buy themoff. The Jews took the
>>>>>Swiss response as a sign of weakness and escalated their demands.
>>>>>
>>>>>The average Swiss citizen seems to have a little more pride than
>>>>>Switzerland's elected officials, however, and resentment against
>>>>>the Jews' extortion efforts is building in Switzerland now to the
>>>>>point that some of that country's richest Jews are wearing
>>>>>bulletproof vests whenever they must go out in public.
>>>>>
>>>>>In general, however, this "Holocaust"-based extortion racket
>>>>>works quite well for the Jews, and they have expanded their
>>>>>demands for World War Two reparations to include a number of
>>>>>other countries besides Switzerland. They are even whining that
>>>>>the Vatican owes them because Pope Pius XII didn't do enough to
>>>>>save them from the Germans during the war. The Jews' brazenness
>>>>>in this whole business is quite breathtaking.
>>>>>
>>>>>Their brazenness, of course, is justified, because by and large
>>>>>they have been getting away with it. And they have been getting
>>>>>away with it because with their media control they have been able
>>>>>to distort the general public's whole perception of what happened
>>>>>during the Second World War. They have been able to portray
>>>>>themselves as innocent victims and just about everyone else as
>>>>>persecutors and aggressors, even the people who were fighting on
>>>>>the Jewish side against the Germans during the war. For example,
>>>>>they have done quite a bit of whining that after the Red Army
>>>>>drove the Germans from Poland, the Poles took the opportunity to
>>>>>lynch hundreds of Jews in 1945 and 1946: Jews whom the Germans
>>>>>somehow had failed to get rid of during their wartime occupation
>>>>>of Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, why would the Poles do something like that? Why would they
>>>>>lynch the poor Jews, who had been on their side during the war?
>>>>>If you learned about the war from watching Steven Spielberg
>>>>>propaganda films and other mass-media sources, you probably
>>>>>believe that it was because of religious anti-Semitism on the
>>>>>part of the Catholic Poles. Let me tell you the real reason why
>>>>>so many Poles hated Jews after the war. It's something the
>>>>>Jew-controlled media in America have tried hard to keep covered
>>>>>up. Let me tell you about what happened in the Katyn forest
>>>>>in 1940.
>>>>>
>>>>>In September 1939 Poland was invaded from the west by Germany and
>>>>>from the east by the Soviet Union. The Germans wanted back the
>>>>>territory in western Poland, including the city of Danzig, which
>>>>>had been taken from them at the end of the First World War. The
>>>>>Soviets wanted eastern Poland. The Germans and the Soviets
>>>>>divided Poland between them, with the boundary running roughly
>>>>>along the River Bug.
>>>>>
>>>>>Britain and France, both under strong Jewish pressure, declared
>>>>>war on Germany in September 1939, ostensibly because of Germany's
>>>>>invasion of Poland. They did not declare war on the Soviet Union,
>>>>>which also had invaded Poland. In the United States and in
>>>>>western Europe, where the Jews held a deathgrip on the mass
>>>>>media, a great deal of anti-German propaganda was based on the
>>>>>German grab for Polish territory -- much of which, of course,
>>>>>actually was historically German territory -- and nothing was
>>>>>said of the Soviet occupation and annexation of eastern Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>The reason for this anti-German and pro-Soviet bias by the Jewish
>>>>>media was that the Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union as
>>>>>commissars and communist party bosses under Stalin, while in
>>>>>Germany Hitler had undertaken a program since 1933 of freeing
>>>>>Germany from all Jewish influence. Jews had been weeded out of
>>>>>the media, the law, the schools, and other areas of economic and
>>>>>cultural life in Germany. Before Hitler became chancellor in 1933
>>>>>the Jews had done in Germany what they do in every country where
>>>>>they gain a foothold: they had monopolized large sections of the
>>>>>mass media and certain professions and were doing their best to
>>>>>distort German culture, German society, and the German economy
>>>>>to suit themselves. Hitler put a stop to that, and two-thirds of
>>>>>the 1933 Jewish population of Germany had emigrated by the
>>>>>invasion of Poland in September 1939. So the Jews hated Germany
>>>>>and were determined to do whatever they could to destroy her.
>>>>>
>>>>>For his part, Hitler hoped to avoid war with Britain and France.
>>>>>He hoped that after his quick victory in western Poland he could
>>>>>make peace with Britain and France. He was determined, however,
>>>>>to stamp out communism wherever he encountered it. Not only did
>>>>>he hate communism on ideological grounds, but he had sworn to
>>>>>fight communism when the communists in Germany betrayed his
>>>>>country at the end of the First World War. Hitler also saw the
>>>>>Soviet Union as a threat to all of Europe, and he was determined
>>>>>to break the power of that country when he could, even though
>>>>>there was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the
>>>>>Soviet Union in 1939, at the time of their partition of Poland.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the spring of 1941 massive troop movements and other
>>>>>developments inside the Soviet Union convinced Hitler that Stalin
>>>>>was preparing to invade the west with the Red Army, and so in
>>>>>June 1941 Hitler made a preemptive strike. German forces smashed
>>>>>through the Red Army and made rapid advances, first through
>>>>>Soviet-occupied eastern Poland and then through Ukraine and into
>>>>>Russia.
>>>>>
>>>>>A year and a half later, in February 1943, German forces near
>>>>>Smolensk, in western Russia, investigated reports they heard from
>>>>>Russian civilians to the effect that a large number of prisoners
>>>>>had been murdered by the Soviet secret police in the area nearly
>>>>>three years earlier. The German investigators were led by local
>>>>>Russians to a series of mounds in a wooded area known locally as
>>>>>Katyn Forest, about 10 miles west of Smolensk. The forest is
>>>>>named for a village, Katyn, which it surrounds. The forest had
>>>>>been privately owned prior to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917,
>>>>>but after the communist takeover of Russia the area had been
>>>>>confiscated by the government and part of the forest had been
>>>>>turned over to the NKVD, the Soviet equivalent of the American
>>>>>FBI.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Germans began digging in the mounds in the Katyn forest and
>>>>>made a horrible discovery. They found corpse after corpse, each
>>>>>with its hands bound behind its back and a bullet hole in the
>>>>>base of its skull. They continued their excavations for more than
>>>>>a month, and eventually uncovered more than 4,000 corpses. Other
>>>>>bodies may have remained buried in other mounds, but the Germans
>>>>>had no time to dig up the whole forest. Instead they called in
>>>>>the International Red Cross and representatives of various
>>>>>neutral countries to examine their findings. They also brought in
>>>>>groups of Allied prisoners of war, including Americans, from
>>>>>prison camps in Germany to view the graves in the Katyn forest.
>>>>>They gave these international inspectors complete freedom to
>>>>>examine the exhumed bodies, permitted doctors among them to
>>>>>conduct autopsies, even allowed them to dig up other bodies from
>>>>>one of the mounds which had not been completely excavated. The
>>>>>Germans asked only that the inspectors report back truthfully to
>>>>>their own governments about their observations. And in fact, most
>>>>>of them did.
>>>>>
>>>>>What they reported was that the bodies were those of Polish
>>>>>military officers, along with a number of civilian cultural and
>>>>>business leaders and intellectuals -- scientists, writers, poets
>>>>>-- who had been in the portion of Poland occupied by the Soviet
>>>>>Union in September 1939. Altogether the Soviet secret police had
>>>>>rounded up some 15,000 Polish leaders in 1939 -- including nearly
>>>>>half of the entire Polish officer's corps, the half that had had
>>>>>the misfortune of being in eastern Poland at the time -- and put
>>>>>them in three concentration camps in Russia: at Starobelsk,
>>>>>Kozelsk, and Ostashkov. All of the bodies unearthed in the
>>>>>Katyn forest were of Polish leaders who had been confined at one
>>>>>of these camps: Starobelsk.
>>>>>
>>>>>Rounding up a country's leaders and killing them was standard
>>>>>practice for the communists. The theory was that the leaders were
>>>>>bourgeois oppressors of the working class and deserved to die. As
>>>>>egalitarians the communists did not regard the Polish officers
>>>>>and intellectuals as inherently better or more valuable human
>>>>>material than the average Polish criminal or welfare bum; the
>>>>>officers had simply used their class advantage to gain a better
>>>>>life-style for themselves. Of course, no one really believed that
>>>>>theory except the criminals and welfare bums and other resentful
>>>>>losers and ne'er-do-wells who made up the natural communist
>>>>>constituency. As a practical matter, however, killing all the
>>>>>leaders and potential leaders of a conquered people made them
>>>>>easier to govern. That's what the Marxists had done in Russia,
>>>>>Ukraine, and the Baltic countries.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the case of the Poles there was a bit of a diplomatic problem,
>>>>>though. The Poles supported the war Britain and France had
>>>>>declared against Germany, purportedly on their behalf, because
>>>>>they viewed that as their one hope for getting back at least the
>>>>>western part of their country. They were not happy about the
>>>>>Russians taking the eastern part of Poland, but the Russians at
>>>>>least were fellow Slavs. The thing to do was get rid of the
>>>>>Germans first and then worry about the Russians. This Polish
>>>>>strategy suited Stalin fine. But it made it desirable for him to
>>>>>avoid alienating the Poles any more than necessary. When Polish
>>>>>exiles asked about their imprisoned leaders in late 1939 and
>>>>>early 1940, the Soviet government promised that they would be
>>>>>released shortly. Meanwhile, the decision had been made to kill
>>>>>all of them. And so in April 1940 the Polish leaders were taken
>>>>>from the three camps where they had been imprisoned, trucked off
>>>>>to various liquidation sites, and murdered. The ones who had been
>>>>>imprisoned at Starobelsk all went to the NKVD area of the Katyn
>>>>>forest. After the war some of the NKVD executioners were
>>>>>interviewed in Israel and described how they had carried out the
>>>>>killings.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Poles were driven up to the burial pits in long NKVD prison
>>>>>trucks known as "black ravens." They were pulled from the trucks
>>>>>one at a time by NKVD guards. Each Polish prisoner had his hands
>>>>>bound behind his back and then was dragged to the edge of a pit.
>>>>>There he was held by two NKVD men while a third fired a pistol
>>>>>bullet into the back of his head. Some of the officers had had
>>>>>their coats pulled over their heads to keep them from seeing what
>>>>>was happening before they were shot. Some struggled and were
>>>>>bayonetted by NKVD guards before being shot and thrown into the
>>>>>pit. When all of the officers from Starobelsk had been killed,
>>>>>some 4,400 of them, the Katyn forest burial pits were covered
>>>>>with dirt and pine trees were planted on them. The locations of
>>>>>the mass graves of the prisoners from the camps at Kozelsk and
>>>>>Ostashkov remain unknown, but none of the 15,000 Polish officers
>>>>>and intellectuals rounded up by the NKVD in September 1939 was
>>>>>seen alive after April 1940.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Red Cross representatives and the Allied prisoners the
>>>>>Germans brought in to examine the mass graves in the Katyn forest
>>>>>understood after their examination not only who had been killed;
>>>>>they also understood who had killed them. This was apparent not
>>>>>only from the medical estimates of the length of time the bodies
>>>>>had been buried, but also from documentary evidence on the
>>>>>bodies. Diaries, news clippings, letters, and other personal
>>>>>papers removed from the clothing of the victims all told the same
>>>>>story: the latest dates on any of these papers were from
>>>>>mid-April 1940. The Polish leaders had been killed in April 1940,
>>>>>when they were prisoners of the Soviet Union and when the Katyn
>>>>>region was under Soviet control. And this is what they reported
>>>>>back to their governments.
>>>>>
>>>>>So what do you think happened? Were the British and American
>>>>>governments horrified to discover that their "gallant Soviet
>>>>>ally," as the Soviet Union was referred to by the mass media, was
>>>>>a mass murderer? Did the British government, which had gone to
>>>>>war against Germany under the pretext of defending Poland, decide
>>>>>that it had made a mistake? Did anyone condemn the Soviet Union
>>>>>for this act of genocide against the Poles?
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course not! The Allied governments ordered their people who
>>>>>had inspected the Katyn site to keep their mouths shut, and the
>>>>>Jewish media immediately began announcing that the Germans had
>>>>>done it. A mass murder of Polish officers and intellectuals by
>>>>>the Nazis had been discovered in the Katyn forest, the New York
>>>>>Times and the rest of the Jewish media shrieked. Poor Poles!
>>>>>Wicked Germans! The war must go on to free the poor Poles and
>>>>>punish the wicked Germans. And the war did go on, killing
>>>>>millions of more Germans, British, Americans, and other
>>>>>Europeans. And the Germans were indeed punished. The Poles, of
>>>>>course, were not freed. Instead they were turned over to the
>>>>>Reds, who had butchered their leaders in the Katyn forest, and
>>>>>made to suffer under communist rule for half a century.
>>>>>
>>>>>The war went on after the German discovery of the mass graves in
>>>>>the Katyn forest, because its purpose from the beginning was not
>>>>>to free Poland but to destroy Germany, which had dared to free
>>>>>itself from the Jews. Roosevelt understood this. Churchill
>>>>>understood this. But the American and British people didn't
>>>>>understand it, of course, because they were lied to by the Jewish
>>>>>media and by their own governments, who in 1943 as in 1998 have
>>>>>done whatever has been politically expedient. And what has been
>>>>>politically expedient has been what the Jewish media bosses have
>>>>>decided.
>>>>>
>>>>>The lies about Katyn were maintained by the media for some years
>>>>>after the end of the war, because these lies meshed nicely with
>>>>>the "Holocaust" story which was making so much money for the
>>>>>Jews. Nowadays, of course, the truth about the Katyn murders is
>>>>>generally accepted by historians everywhere. You can go into
>>>>>almost any large library and read about it and even see the
>>>>>gruesome photographs that the Germans took of the Polish bodies
>>>>>they dug up. One of several authoritative books on the subject is
>>>>>J.K. Zawodny's Death in the Forest: the Story of the Katyn
>>>>>Forest Massacre, published in 1962 by the University of Notre
>>>>>Dame Press. None of this is publicized a la Steven Spielberg, of
>>>>>course, for the illumination of American television audiences. It
>>>>>still might undermine the Jews' "Holocaust" racket.
>>>>>
>>>>>In 1945 and 1946, although the deceived citizens of the western
>>>>>world didn't know the truth about Katyn, Polish patriots did. The
>>>>>word had gotten back to the Polish prisoners in German camps from
>>>>>the Poles the Germans had taken to examine the graves. After the
>>>>>war, when these Polish prisoners were freed, the word spread to
>>>>>other Poles. They knew that it was the communists, not the Nazis,
>>>>>who had murdered their leaders, who had beheaded their nation.
>>>>>And they knew who was behind communism, from the Jew Karl Marx,
>>>>>who had started the whole business, up to the Jewish commissars
>>>>>who lorded it over them in Soviet-occupied Poland. They knew who
>>>>>had welcomed their Soviet conquerors and then collaborated with
>>>>>those conquerors. And so it is hardly surprising that in 1945 and
>>>>>1946 a few Polish patriots organized lynchings of Jews in Poland,
>>>>>before the Reds had a chance to clamp down on all of Poland and
>>>>>suppress any further expressions of anti-communist or anti-Jewish
>>>>>feeling.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, the Polish dislike of Jews isn't surprising. What is
>>>>>surprising is that so few patriots in America and Britain have
>>>>>expressed their outrage against the Jews, not only for what they
>>>>>did to the Poles during and after the war, but for what they have
>>>>>done to us: lying to us and using us to wage their wars for them.
>>>>>If patriots study the Katyn story and take its lesson to heart,
>>>>>they will understand why they cannot trust either the mass media
>>>>>or any government which dances to the tune played by the media.
>>>>>Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill were as much liars and
>>>>>traitors as Bill Clinton and Tony Blair.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, you might remember Katyn the next time you hear the Jews
>>>>>or some of their bought politicians whining about how much gold
>>>>>was stolen from them by the Swiss or how badly the Poles and the
>>>>>Germans treated them during the Second World War.
>>>>>
>>>>>The text above is based on a broadcast of the American Dissident
>>>>>Voices radio program sponsored by National Vanguard Books. To
>>>>>receive weekly ADV transcripts, mail: ADVlist@ListServe.com
>>>>>Write "subscribe" as the subject of your message.
>>>>>
>>>>>++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>American Renaissance
>>>>>http://www.amren.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Campaign for Radical Truth in History
>>>>>http://www.hoffman-info.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Euro-American Students Union
>>>>>http://esu.simplenet.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Katja Lane's Fourteen Word Press
>>>>>http://www.14words.com
>>>>>
>>>>>National Alliance
>>>>>http://www.natvan.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Stormfront
>>>>>http://www.stormfront.org
>>>>>
>>>>>Yggdrasil's White Nationalist Library
>>>>>http://www.ddc.net/ygg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>



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On 11 Dec 1998 20:51:49 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
SOBC) wanted to write and warn the public about tax frauds:

On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:32 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!
>>
>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:
>>
>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.
>>
>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>>
>>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>
>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>Canada!!!
>>
>>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>>
>>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>>
>>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is 
>>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>>
>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>
>>
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>>
>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>>
>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>>
>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>
>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>
>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>
>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>
>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>> >               letters?
>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>
>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>
>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>
>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>
>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>
>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>> >OyVey???
>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>
>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>>> >Check this out!
>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>
>>
>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>
>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>
>>
>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>
>>
>>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>>Canada!!!
>>
>>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>>
>>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>>
>>
>>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return.... and see if it comes
>>>>from anthing called "Nizkor," or claims that it would... won't that be
>>>>fun, Bill? If you don't get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>>you've got me, eh?
>>
>>>>Please print this form and send to: 
>>>>The Nizkor Project 
>>>>c/o 
>>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>>>xxxxxx Street 
>>>>Toronto, Ontario  

>>>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 

>>>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>>>cheque's memo section. 

>>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>>[#0235903-43-13] 
sven88


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On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 02:03:46 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:26:44 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>On 13 Sep 1998 07:18:24 GMT, "William Hubbard" 
>>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Strakitch tye golevo!
>>>
>>>>Should be shta allah aboukir!!!
>>>
>>>>>bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote in article
>>>>><35ff8fb8.1840244@news.edmonton.telusplanet.net>...
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 02:15:29 GMT, solomon@moloch.com wrote: 
>>>>>> >On 25 Jun 1998 20:41:51 GMT, "Fenian" < fenian@hibernian.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>morgan@shamrock.com wrote in article
>>>>><35995802.2904819@news.nucleus.com>...
>>>>>> >>> On 24 Jun 1998 23:39:44 GMT, bushbadee@aol.com (BUSHBADEE) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> >>> >>> Shouldn't the spelling be KHAZIR, meaning swine???
>>>>>> >>> >>> After all, the Christkillers are lower than the feces of the swine???
>>>
>>>>>> >>> >I have many christian friend and I object to you calling them lower than
>>>>>> >>> >the feces of swine.
>>>
>>>>>> >>> It is not the Christians that are the Christkillers.
>>>>>> >>> Read your Bible, or have your friend read it to you, about the foul
>>>>>> >>> Sanhedrin JEWS, who arranged for the murder of Jesus Christ!!!
>>>
>>>>>> >>> Christ opposed their usury and other financial crimes, being conducted
>>>>>> >>> in the Temples.
>>>



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On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 03:20:31 +0000, Chuck Ferree 
wrote:
>bismarck88@antizhid.org wrote:
>a blank page....tha spammer at work I
>guess.


Here is the missing text, for your benefit....

On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:02:29 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:28:24 GMT, odessa88@direct.ca wrote:

>>If there were so many documented JEWS in the German military, one MUST
>>question how many may have died in WWII!!!
>>
>>It seems that the number keeps on increasing, by mythical magic, just
>>as each new lawsuit demanding reparations is filed!!!
>>
>>In other words, soon the number of damn JEW claimants for alleged
>>demise in WWII will exceed the populations of all the countries
>>involved.

>>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 02:43:34 GMT, vagabond@idirect.com (William
>>Markiewicz) wrote:

>>>For a fair approximation of the number of victims, the extent of
>>>Jewish life in pre-war Europe must be looked at.  See the
>>>Communication Page, August 97 issue 
>>>http://web.idirect.com/~vagabond
>>
>>sperati wrote:
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: 6 Feb 1997 03:26:29 GMT
>>> From: stefan lemieszewski 
>>> Subject: Jews Who Wore Nazi Uniforms
>>> 
>>> From recent postings and reports in the media, readers have noticed
>>> that some ethnic groups appear to be singled out while others are
>>> ignored when it comes to hunting for suspected Nazi war criminals. One
>>> group that is omitted or rarely mentioned is the Jews.
>>> 
>>> The following makes reference to an article in The Telegraph in England
>>> titled "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms." If someone has access I would
>>> appreciate getting a copy of the article in its entirety. I would like
>>> to forward it to Sol Littman and the Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
>>> >>Stefan Lemieszewski
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> North Shore News
>>> February 2, 1997
>>> 
>>> Insights from abroad
>>> Doug Collins
>>> 
>>> TRAVELLING has its uses. You get all kinds of interesting information
>>> that is ignored in Canada.
>>> 
>>> When I was in England the papers were filled with news about Jews who
>>> served in Hiler's forces as high ranking officers.
>>> 
>>> The story broke in The Telegraph, which had a headline across two pages
>>> about "Jews who wore Nazi uniforms."
>>> 
>>> There were many of them. They included two field marshals, one of whom
>>> was Erhard Milch, who "masterminded German aircraft production and
>>> transformed the Luftwaffe." His father was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> At least 77 senior officers were Jewish, or of "mixed Jewish race or
>>> married to Jews."  They included eight lieutenant generals, five major
>>> generals, and 23 colonels.
>>> 
>>> Seventeen "Jews in Nazi uniform" were awarded the Knights Cross,
>>> Germany's highest military honor. In all probability there were many
>>> more. The research is continuing.
>>> 
>>> Some of the stories are bizarre. One Jew got to German-occupied France
>>> in 1940 and later joined the Waffen SS under a new name. He is still
>>> alive.
>>> 
>>> Another visited the Sachsenhausen concentration camp to visit his
>>> father, "wearing the Iron Cross he had earned in battle."
>>> 
>>> Another lost his mother in Auschwitz. He and others are now asking
>>> whether they were "victims or perpetrators."
>>> 
>>> A Jewish film-maker and holder of the Iron Cross First Class worked in
>>> the German propaganda office in Paris in 1941.
>>> 
>>> The one who discovered all this was Bryan Rigg, a Texan studying at
>>> Cambridge University. Some of his remote forebears were German Jews and
>>> he became interested in their story. So he did a year-long investigation
>>> and stumbled across this material, accumulating 30,000 supporting
>>> documents in the process.
>>> 
>>> The British press got excited over it because everyone had assumed that
>>> Jews were totally unacceptable in Hitler's Germany; also that no Jew
>>> could ever have fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> A leading historian at Cambridge has been quoted as saying, "It makes
>>> the reality of the Nazi state more complicated."
>>> 
>>> He stated, too, that Rigg's research would "inform both the argument
>>> about Hitler's role in shaping the holocaust and the debate about
>>> ant-semitism among ordinary Germans."
>>> 
>>> Precisely. It worries holocaust enthusiasts that Rigg's research may be
>>> used by "deniers." But most "deniers" do not deny that large numbers of
>>> Jews met their end in the camps and elsewhere. What they question is
>>> what they see as the greatly inflated six million story.
>>> 
>>> British historian David Irving has gone further. He made himself into an
>>> international pariah by offering a financial reward for anyone who can
>>> produce documentary proof that Hitler ordered the extermination of the
>>> Jews. Whatever the truth, no one has yet collected.
>>> 
>>> Rigg turned up some fascinating tidbits. Former German Chancellor Helmut
>>> Schmidt was an officer in the Luffftwaffe even though his grandfather
>>> was a Jew.
>>> 
>>> Schmidt kept his background secret. And fought for Hitler.
>>> 
>>> As the Telegraph articles explained, the Nazi race laws defined as a
>>> full Jew anyone with three Jewish grandparents. Those with two or even
>>> one were seen as "mixed race" and were  also denied full citizenship.
>>> 
>>> But there were all kinds of contradictions and exceptions. Herman
>>> Goering once stated, for instance, that he would decide who was Jewish.
>>> 
>>> As Rigg showed, Hitler himself signed papers decreeing that many whom he
>>> knew had Jewish ancestors were of "Aryan descent." Milch, sentenced to a
>>> term of imprisonment at Nuremberg, was one of them.
>>> 
>>> A Jewish Nazi war criminal?
>>> 
>>> After the conquest of Poland the Americans even asked for, and obtained,
>>> the release of a rabbi who was leader of the ultra-orthodox Lubavitcher
>>> Jews in Warsaw. It was done on instructions from Admiral Wilhelm
>>> Canaris, the head of military intelligence who was executed in 1944 for
>>> plotting against Hitler.
>>> 
>>> The rabbi and a group of his followers were sent to the U.S. via Latvia,
>>> and the man in charge of the operation was Lt. Col. Bloch, himself a Jew
>>> and an Iron Cross holder. Late in the war, though, Heinrich Himmler saw
>>> to it that he was discharged from the army.
>>> 
>>> All of which is very strange. And just as strange is that I have been
>>> able to find no mention of it in our media. Not even in Time magazine. I
>>> wonder why?
>>> 
>>> ---The North Shore News believes strongly in freedom of speech and the
>>> right of all sides in a debate to be heard. The columnists published in
>>> the News present differing points of view, but those views are not
>>> necessarily those of the newspaper itself.
>>
>>
>>If Hitler and Goering allowed Jews in the military, one must then
>>definitely question the numbers being touted by Jew organisations, in
>>their attempts to extort money from non-Jews!!!




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What is the reply from Fidel, or the Cuba Government?

Who got the $12 million, or was it given for bribes???


On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:31:10 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:

>If you have contacts with Freeport-McMoran, perhaps the news will help
>them in suing Sherritt, and perhaps the Canucklehead government.
>
>Help free Cuba from the crooks paying off to a bankrupt Canadian
>company!!!
>
>
>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:13:06 GMT, pmartori@globalserve.net (Pedro
>Martori ) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:40:12 GMT, oreilly@erinhall.com wrote:
>>
>>>Cubans, and Canadian taxpayers also, want to know why did Fidel Castro
>>>give Jean Cretin the C$12 Million, as settlement for Confederation
>>>Life Insurance??
>>>
>>>Did Fidel not know that Confederation Life had been BANKRUPT FOR MANY
>>>YEARS??
>>>
>>>Who is actually getting the $12 million - crooks in Canada, or in
>>>Cuba??
>>>
>>>Do the people at Freeport-McMoran now know about this deal, which will
>>>now help them when they go to the World Court to collect their
>>>reparations??
>>>
>>>After all, if there is a precedent for a Canadian firm, this can then
>>>be used to collect by a US firm!!!!
>>>
>>>It seems that the Cubans got swindled by some Canadian crooks????
>>>
>>>Make sure that all your friends in Cuba know about this and try to
>>>recover the money from Canada!!! Tell Granma about this.
>>
>>    This is the type of monkey business that canadian premiers have
>>been doing with the mobsters called government of Cuba...
>>    Cretin know very damned well what it is all about but prefers
>>     to make peanuts with kastro than billions with a FREE CUBA !
>>********************************************
>>Pedro Martori - Montreal, Qc, Canada
>>    pmartori@globalserve.net
>>********************************************



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On 11 Dec 1998 20:51:49 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
SOBC) wanted to write and warn the public about tax frauds:

On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:46:32 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:50:56 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>
>>It seems that the despicable OyVay, the gas station attendant and Tax
>>Fraud, just does not like being exposed and investigated by the Tax
>>authorities in both canada and the USA!!!
>>
>>On 28 Mar 1998 19:27:41 GMT, kmcvay@nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay SOB)
>>wrote:
>>
>>Feel free to forward your complaints also to revenue Canada, either by
>>phone or E-mail.
>>
>>Notice that the gas station employee McVay, his employment exposed in
>>an interview a week ago in local papers,  refuses to answer the
>>questions.
>>
>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>
>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>One must wonder whether he is so rejected by the Jews in B.C>, that he
>>had to go to Edmonton to hold a meeting??
>>
>>Or, could it be that in Alberta Canada, there are more thinking
>>people, who reject the garbage disseminated by OyVay and his gang??
>>
>>Perhaps some of the others in North America interested in discussing
>>the Holohoax will also respond.
>>
>>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>
>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>
>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>
>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>Canada!!!
>>
>>They can be reached directly, for filing complaints, at:
>>	Telephone to: 1-800-267-2384
>>
>>Also, you can E-mail complaints about Nizkor, to them, at:
>>	http://www.rc.gc.ca/charities
>>
>>An alternative telephone number for fraud complaints is 
>>Special Investigations Revenue Canada at:
>>	telephone # 204-983-1829
>>
>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>
>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>> answer??
>>
>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>
>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>
>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>
>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>
>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>
>>
>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca, or
>>>>>	 http://www.rc.gc.ca
>>
>>	 In Message, put first line of message as: 
>>	ATTENTION SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS
>>             or telephone to: 204-983-1829
>>
>>	They are waiting for your complaints
>>
>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>
>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>
>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>
>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>
>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>> >               letters?
>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>
>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>
>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>
>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>
>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>
>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>
>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>
>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>> >OyVey???
>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>
>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>
>>>> >Check this out!
>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>
>>
>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>
>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>
>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>
>>
>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>
>>
>>>>>Revenue Canada Taxation - Charities Division Ottawa, again today
>>>>>confirmed that there is no registration for Nizkor as a charity in
>>>>>Canada!!!
>>
>>>>show us where Nizkor has ever claimed to have one.
>>
>>>All you need do, is read above, or get your orderly to read for you.
>>
>>
>>>>Just print this form, and send a money order for $25, and see whether
>>>>or not you get a valid tax receipt in return.... and see if it comes
>>>>from anthing called "Nizkor," or claims that it would... won't that be
>>>>fun, Bill? If you don't get that valid reciept, well geewhilikers,
>>>>you've got me, eh?
>>
>>>>Please print this form and send to: 
>>>>The Nizkor Project 
>>>>c/o 
>>>>The League for Human Rights of B'nai Brith Canada 
>>>>xxxxxx Street 
>>>>Toronto, Ontario  

>>>>Name:________________________________________ 
>>>>Street Address:________________________________________________ 
>>>>City_________________State/Province__________Postal Code_______ 
>>>>E-Mail Address:_________________________________ 
>>>>Amount Enclosed: $___________ 

>>>>Please make your donations payable to "The League for Human Rights of
>>>>B'nai Brith Canada," and add the words "Nizkor Trust Fund" to the
>>>>cheque's memo section. 

>>>>Donations over $10.00 will receive a Canadian tax receipt.
>>>>[#0235903-43-13] 
sven88


From chiffre@chambre.com Tue Dec 15 15:10:52 EST 1998
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What is the reply from Fidel, or the Cuba Government?

Who got the $12 million, or was it given for bribes???


On Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:31:10 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:

>If you have contacts with Freeport-McMoran, perhaps the news will help
>them in suing Sherritt, and perhaps the Canucklehead government.
>
>Help free Cuba from the crooks paying off to a bankrupt Canadian
>company!!!
>
>
>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:13:06 GMT, pmartori@globalserve.net (Pedro
>Martori ) wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:40:12 GMT, oreilly@erinhall.com wrote:
>>
>>>Cubans, and Canadian taxpayers also, want to know why did Fidel Castro
>>>give Jean Cretin the C$12 Million, as settlement for Confederation
>>>Life Insurance??
>>>
>>>Did Fidel not know that Confederation Life had been BANKRUPT FOR MANY
>>>YEARS??
>>>
>>>Who is actually getting the $12 million - crooks in Canada, or in
>>>Cuba??
>>>
>>>Do the people at Freeport-McMoran now know about this deal, which will
>>>now help them when they go to the World Court to collect their
>>>reparations??
>>>
>>>After all, if there is a precedent for a Canadian firm, this can then
>>>be used to collect by a US firm!!!!
>>>
>>>It seems that the Cubans got swindled by some Canadian crooks????
>>>
>>>Make sure that all your friends in Cuba know about this and try to
>>>recover the money from Canada!!! Tell Granma about this.
>>
>>    This is the type of monkey business that canadian premiers have
>>been doing with the mobsters called government of Cuba...
>>    Cretin know very damned well what it is all about but prefers
>>     to make peanuts with kastro than billions with a FREE CUBA !
>>********************************************
>>Pedro Martori - Montreal, Qc, Canada
>>    pmartori@globalserve.net
>>********************************************



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On 12 Dec 1998 02:01:18 +0200, vaget@apex.dp.ua wrote:

>Dear People from Muslim World:
>Immigration To Canada

This smells like another swindle by criminals trying to get more
criminals and other undesirables into Canada!!!

Legitimate, qualified individuals do not need to pay scammers to apply
to emigrate to canada.

Only those unsuited, and unqualified, need pay for the service, which
is available FREE at all Canada immigration offices!!!!


By the way, since when is the appellation "attorney at law" legal in
Canada??



From dcohen@chambre.com Thu Dec 17 20:39:14 EST 1998
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On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:37:15 GMT, "Rev. Don Kool" 
wrote:

>Desi Coughlan  wrote:
>> Anarchy@thewhitehouse.gov (Anarchy@themet) wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>> 
>> > Don seems to think you abused your access. Did you?
>
>> Don 'thinks' that I've been fired three times from Grolier.  
>
>	Sadly it is apparent that young, fatherless Desi's attempts at
>clairvoyance are meeting with as little success as his attempts at
>proper usage of the English language.
>
>	If you would sober up for a time, Desi, you would most likely
>recall that I've never said you were fired three times from
>Grolier.  You were fired from Scottish Power after abusing your
>Internet privledges.  Grolier merely denied you Internet access for
>about a year or so and took you back on as a phone clerk.
>
>> Leaving aside the fact that no company in France has the right 
>> to 'fire' an employee without reason,
>
>	Theft is a pretty good reason, my son.
>
>> Don's childish and off-topic fantasies are
>> one the reasons why I no longer read his posts.
>
>	Another of your lies.  It seems that you have some sort of
>compulsion to lie.  No wonder you relate so closely to  murderers.
>
>> No, I didn't abuse my access, and no, Grolier hasn't removed my
>> e-mail.
>
>	So just where is it that we should send you e-mail at Grolier, my
>son...  ROTFLOLASTD!!!  


Since France Telecoms charges from 8.7  to 16.7 francs per hour for
internet, it was quite a large sum that was being STOLEN from Grolier
every day  by Desi!!!

No wonder they restrict his access now, and demoted him to telephone
clerk, as reported by Don Kool.

It is always funny to see you whine when you
>know you're beaten.  Not that it takes too much effort to kick your
>virtual ass.  LOL!!!!!
>
>			Yours in Christ,
>			      Don



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On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:52:32 -0500, Tomas Leveckis
 wrote:

>The hypocrisy of it all was the slogan 'never again'..............
>doesn't anyone find it funny that many more Cambodians
>died in a similar manner, but they will never get 1 billionth
>of the attention that the holocaust got.......



In fact, Stalin and his JEW-led CHEKA/KGB forerunners, murdered more
than 25 million people in the UKRAINE in 1932-33!!!

This is well documented, but because it was the JEWS doing the killing
is not as well publicised by the Jews!!!



>ORAC wrote:
>
>> In article <367368C2.A14B9A86@shinil.org>, Thomas Nelson
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >ORAC wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <75204g$stt$1@remarQ.com>, "Sam Killians"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Give me a break, if 6000000 died that would have cut their population in
>> >> >half which it didn't!
>> >>
>> >> The above has to be the lamest Holocaust denier post I've seen in several
>> >> months.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Where did Sam Killians denied the Holocaust. He only *QUESTIONED* the number of
>> >jewish victims as every one knows their are a big * ? * on that issue among the
>> >historians. Unfortunately any one who questioned the numbers of the victims or
>> >the details of the tragedy would be labelled as an * anti Semitic *.
>>
>> Where did anyone call Sam Killians "anti-Semitic"?
>>
>> >The 6,000,000  is not an accurate number, according to many statistics
>> before and
>> >after the war the number of jews did not decrease that much.
>>
>> Please post your evidence that "6,000,000 is not an accurate number" and
>> that "the number of Jews did not decrease that much." If you can't do
>> that, we will have to conclude that you do not know what you are talking
>> about.
>>
>> --
>> THE ABOVE E-MAIL ADDRESS ONLY ACCEPTS MAIL FROM FAMILY
>> AND FRIENDS. TO E-MAIL ME, USE: dgorski[at]xsite[dot]net!
>> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>> ORAC                     |"A statement of fact cannot be
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>> Chicago, IL              |



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>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>>>
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>>
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site. 
>>>
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups. 
>>>
>>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable. 
>>>
>>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>>
>>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>>
>>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists. 
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten. 
>>>
>>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed. 
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>>
>>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>>
>>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.'' 
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>>
>>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>>
>>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>>
>>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>>
>>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>



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On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:12:49 GMT, chiffre@chambre.com wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>>mail this year, because of concern about theft??

>>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>>what
>>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>>Friedrich
>>>>                                                                    
>>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>>
>>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>>
>>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>>



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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:16:59 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>>> > allegedly died in WWII.
>
>>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?
>
>>>> J.B.
>
>>>=================
>>>Presence of Jews in Hitler's army clearly rules out the story of
>>>exterminatinon.  Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.
>
>>>They have not done it ... little chance that there was Jewish genocide. 
>>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>>chance to cremate.
>
>>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?
>
>>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet.  Being so
>>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world.  While
>>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.
>
>>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>>reproduced.  In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.
>
>>>But I do not worry about that.  Mere forty years of education given to
>>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.
>
>>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>>Pawlikowski



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie's cyberthrash
>>>-------------
>>>md
>>>
>>>greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>> 
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski's story too.
>>>> 
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>> 
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > -------------
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>> 
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ------------



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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:16:59 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>>> > allegedly died in WWII.
>
>>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?
>
>>>> J.B.
>
>>>=================
>>>Presence of Jews in Hitler's army clearly rules out the story of
>>>exterminatinon.  Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.
>
>>>They have not done it ... little chance that there was Jewish genocide. 
>>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>>chance to cremate.
>
>>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?
>
>>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet.  Being so
>>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world.  While
>>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.
>
>>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>>reproduced.  In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.
>
>>>But I do not worry about that.  Mere forty years of education given to
>>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.
>
>>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>>Pawlikowski



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie's cyberthrash
>>>-------------
>>>md
>>>
>>>greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>> 
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski's story too.
>>>> 
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>> 
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > -------------
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>> 
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ------------



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On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:53:55 GMT, sabatini@nozhid.org wrote:

>>>On 3 Jul 1998 06:38:05 GMT,  wrote:
>>>>Orest Slepokura  wrote:
>
>>>>>...fully documented *Perfidy* blatantly exposes the degree to which
>>>>> Zionists cooperated in the persecution of their fellow Jews...

>>>Her is more evidence of NAZI-ZIONIST JEW COLLABORATION.

>>>The Kastner Case
>                              
>>>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>>>involving
>>>a Jew - Rudolf Kastner.
>>>
>>>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner. Those who have,
>>>are
>>>generally under the impression that there is some 'controversy' about
>>>negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money
>>>and
>>>military equipment', but that he was 'fully rehabilitated' by the
>>>Supreme
>>>Court of Israel.
>>>
>>>                              The Accusations
>>>
>>>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>>>
>>>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>>>Medical
>>>Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz. In his
>>>memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>>>certain
>>>Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>>>
>>>This  group of quislings knew what was happening to their brethren in
>>>Hitler's gas chambers and bought their own lives with the price of
>>>silence.
>>>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke for all
>>>Jews
>>>in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the
>>>number is
>>>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the exterminations.
>>>I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in 1944 and I
>>>was
>>>able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>>>Eichmann
>>>planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner
>>>went
>>>to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>>>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>>>
>>>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>>>took
>>>him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>>>bargaining
>>>end there. Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>>>little
>>>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany 
>>>collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, 
>>>pp261-2)
>>>
>>>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>>>published in
>>>Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>>>
>>>I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>>>stands
>>>100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I
>>>wanted
>>>to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>>>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>>>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>>>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner
>>>was a
>>>young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He
>>>agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>>>keep
>>>order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>>>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>>>It
>>>was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price was not
>>>too
>>>high for me.
>>>
>>>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>>>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>>>smoke
>>>one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>>>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>>>he
>>>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>>>
>>>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>>>of
>>>Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>>>
>>>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>>>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>>>Zionist leaders. I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>>>thousand
>>>or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal 'You
>>>can
>>>have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this group here'. And
>>>because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the
>>>deportation
>>>camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>>>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...That was the
>>>'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner (Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>>>
>>>Quite clearly these accusations, do not relate merely to 'the purchase
>>>of 
>>>Jewish lives for money and military equipment'.
>>>
>>>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>>>
>>>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>>>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>>>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>>>than
>>>demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>>>Zionist
>>>official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>>>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel
>>>prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>>>
>>>                                The Verdict
>>>
>>>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi (who later became one of the
>>>panel
>>>of three judges that tried Eichmann) in Israel's District Court of
>>>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>>>The
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>>>studied
>>>carefully.
>>>
>>>The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>>>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>>>confidence
>>>in the false information that they were being transferred to
>>>Kenyermeze.
>>>
>>>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>>>they
>>>not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>>>
>>>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>>>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>>>others
>>>used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>>>Jews.
>>>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>>>of
>>>Jewish leaders.
>>>
>>>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>>>leaders
>>>of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>>>spreading
>>>such false information and did not protest.
>>>
>>>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>>>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>>>
>>>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>>>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>>>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>>>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>>>hampering
>>>the deportation orders.
>>>
>>>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>>>dozen
>>>police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attempt to overpower
>>>these few
>>>guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>>>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>>>
>>>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>>>Jews in
>>>the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>>>
>>>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>>>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>>>their
>>>own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>>>who
>>>did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>>>deportations...these
>>>same leaders did not join the people of their community in their ride
>>>to
>>>Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>>>
>>>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>>>extermination
>>>permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council in
>>>Budapest
>>>to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did this
>>>as a
>>>means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>>>dependent on
>>>the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of its
>>>fatal
>>>deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>>>Jewish
>>>leaders into collaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>>>catastrophe.
>>>
>>>The Nazi chiefs knew that the Zionists were a most vital element in
>>>Jewry
>>>and the most trusted by the Jews.
>>>
>>>The personality of Rudolph Kastner made him a convenient catspaw for
>>>Eichmann and his clique, to draw into collaboration and make their
>>>task
>>>easier.
>>>
>>>The question here is not, as stated by the Attorney General in his
>>>summation, whether members of the Jewish Rescue Committee were or were
>>>not capable of fulfilling their duty without the patronage of the S.S.
>>>
>>>chiefs.
>>>It is obvious that without such S.S. Nazi patronage the Jewish Rescue
>>>Committee could not have existed, and could have acted only as an
>>>underground.
>>>
>>>The question is, as put by the lawyer for the defense, why were the
>>>Nazis
>>>interested in the existence of the Rescue Committee? Why did the S.S.
>>>chiefs make every effort to encourage the existence of the Jewish
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee? Did the exterminators turn into rescuers?
>>>
>>>The same question rises concerning the rescue of prominent Jews by
>>>these
>>>German killers of Jews. Was the rescue of such Jews a part of the
>>>extermination plan of the killers ?
>>>
>>>The support given by the extermination leaders to Kastner's Rescue
>>>Committee proves that indeed there was a place for Kastner and his
>>>friends
>>>in their Final Solution for the Jews of Hungary - their total
>>>annihilation.
>>>
>>>The Nazi's patronage of Kastner, and their agreement to let him save
>>>six
>>>hundred prominent Jews, were part of the plan to exterminate the Jews.
>>>Kastner was given a chance to add a few more to that number. The bait
>>>attracted him. The opportunity of rescuing prominent people appealed
>>>to him
>>>greatly. He considered the rescue of the most important Jews as a
>>>great
>>>personal success and a success for Zionism. It was a success that
>>>would
>>>also justify his conduct - his political negotiation with Nazis and
>>>the
>>>Nazi patronage of his committee.
>>>
>>>When Kastner received this present from the Nazis, Kastner sold his
>>>soul to
>>>the German Satan.
>>>
>>>The sacrifice of the vital interests of the majority of the Jews, in
>>>order
>>>to rescue the prominents, was the basic element in the agreement
>>>between
>>>Kastner and the Nazis. This agreement fixed the division of the nation
>>>into
>>>two unequal camps: a small fragment of prominents, whom the Nazis
>>>promised
>>>Kastner to save, on the one hand, and the great majority or Hungarian
>>>Jews
>>>whom the Nazis designated for death, on the other hand. An imperative
>>>condition for the rescue of the first camp by the Nazis was that
>>>Kastner
>>>will not interfere in the action of the Nazis against the other camp
>>>and
>>>will not hamper them in its extermination. Kastner fulfilled this
>>>condition. He concentrated his efforts in the rescue of the prominents
>>>and
>>>treated the camp of the doomed as if they had already been wiped out
>>>from
>>>the book of the living.
>>>
>>>One cannot estimate the damage caused by Kastner's collaboration and
>>>put
>>>down the number of victims which it cost Hungarian Jews. These are not
>>>only
>>>the thousands of Jews in Nodvarod or any other community in the border
>>>area, Jews who could escape through the border, had the chief of their
>>>rescue committee fulfilled his duty toward them.
>>>
>>>All of Kastner's answers in his final testimony were a constant effort
>>>to
>>>evade this truth.
>>>
>>>Kastner has tried to escape through every crack he could find in the
>>>wall
>>>of evidence. When one crack was sealed in his face, he darted quickly
>>>to
>>>another. (Judgement of Judge Benjamin Halevi, Criminal Case 124/53;
>>>Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald, District Court, Jerusalem,
>>>June 22,
>>>1955).
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi reverts to the meeting of Kastner with the S.S. officers
>>>Becher and Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz at the time when the
>>>'new
>>>line' of rescuing Jews was revealed by Hoess. He says:
>>>
>>>From this gathering in Budapest, it is obvious that the 'new line'
>>>stretched from Himmler to Hoess, from Jutner to Becher and Krumey.
>>>
>>>According to Kastner, however, these Nazis were all active in rescuing
>>>Jews.
>>>
>>>This meeting of these important German guests in Budapest exposes the
>>>'rescue' work of Becher in its true light. It reveals also the extent
>>>of
>>>Kastner's involvement in the inner circle of the chief German war
>>>criminals.
>>>
>>>Just as the Nazi war criminals knew they needed an alibi and hoped to
>>>achieve it by the rescue of a few Jews at the eleventh hour, so
>>>Kastner
>>>also needed an alibi for himself.
>>>
>>>Collaboration between the Jewish Agency Rescue Committee and the
>>>Exterminators of the Jews was solidified in Budapest and Vienna.
>>>Kastner's
>>>duties were part and parcel of the general duties of the S.S.
>>>
>>>In addition to its Extermination Department and Looting Department,
>>>the
>>>Nazi S.S. opened a Rescue Department headed by Kastner.
>>>
>>>All these extermination, robbery and rescue activities of the S.S.
>>>were
>>>coordinated under the management of Heinrich Himmler".
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi continues:
>>>
>>>Kastner perjured himself knowingly in his testimony before this court
>>>when
>>>he denied he had interceded in Becher's behalf. Moreover, he concealed
>>>the
>>>important fact that he interceded for Becher in the name of the Jewish
>>>Agency and the Jewish World Congress.
>>>
>>>As to the contents of Kastner's affidavit, it was enough for the
>>>defense to
>>>provide Becher was a war criminal. It was up to the prosecution to
>>>remove
>>>Becher from this status, if they wished to negate the affidavit.
>>>
>>>The Attorney General admitted in his summation that Becher was a war
>>>criminal.
>>>
>>>The lies in the contents of Kastner's affidavit, the lies in his
>>>testimony
>>>concerning the document, and Kastner's knowing participation in the
>>>activities of Nazi war criminals, and his participation in the last
>>>minute
>>>fake rescue activities - all these combine to show one overwhelming
>>>truth -
>>>that this affidavit was not given in good faith.
>>>
>>>Kastner knew well, as he himself testified, that Becher had never
>>>stood up
>>>against the stream of Jewish extermination, as Kastner has declared in
>>>the
>>>affidavit.
>>>
>>>The aims of Becher and his superior, Himmler, were not to save Jews
>>>but to
>>>serve the Nazi regime with full compliance. These is not truth and no
>>>good
>>>faith in Kastner's testimony, 'I never doubted for one moment the good
>>>intention of good Becher'.
>>>
>>>It is clear that the positive recommendation by Kastner, not only in
>>>his
>>>own name but also in the name of the Jewish Agency and the Jewish
>>>World
>>>Congress was of decisive importance for Becher. Kastner did not
>>>exaggerate
>>>when he said that Becher was released by the Allies because of his
>>>personal
>>>intervention. The lies in the affidavit of Kastner and the
>>>contradictions
>>>and various pretexts, which were proven to be lies, were sufficient to
>>>annul the value of his statements and to prove that there was no good
>>>faith
>>>in his testimony in favor of this German war criminal. Kastner's
>>>affidavit
>>>in favor of Becher was a wilfully false affidavit given in favor of a
>>>war
>>>criminal to save him from trial and punishment in Nuremberg.
>>>
>>>Therefore, the defendant, Malchiel Greenwald, was correct in his
>>>accusations against Rudolf Kastner in the first, second and fourth of
>>>his
>>>statements." 
>>>
>>>Judge Halevi's verdict found Malchiel Greenwald generally innocent of
>>>libel
>>>against Kastner, but fined him one Israeli pound for the one unproved
>>>accusation - that Kastner had actually collected money from his Nazi
>>>partners for his aide to their slaughter program. The judge also
>>>ordered
>>>the Government of Israel to pay Greenwald two hundred Israeli pounds
>>>as
>>>court costs.
>>>
>>>If the story ended there, it would only prove conclusively that the
>>>individual Kastner was a collaborator and the Israeli Government had
>>>attempted to defend him, although facts brought out in the trial
>>>pointed to
>>>much more than that.
>>>
>>>But the story does not end there.
>>> 
>>>The Reaction
>>>The Communist Party newspaper Kol Ha'am (Voice of the People) wrote:
>>>
>>>All those whose relatives were butchered by the Germans in Hungary
>>>know now
>>>clearly that Jewish hands helped the mass murder" (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>>>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>>>Government of Israel.
>>>
>>>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>>>
>>>If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>>>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
>>>disclose." (23 June 1955)
>>>
>>>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>>>instead
>>>it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>>>libel.
>>>
>>>At 11 P.M. the verdict was given. At 11 A.M. next morning the
>>>government
>>>announces the defense of Kastner will be renewed - an appeal filed.
>>>What
>>>exemplary expediency! Since when does this government possess such
>>>lawyer-genius who can weigh in one night the legal chances of an
>>>appeal on
>>>a detailed, complex verdict of three hundred pages?
>>>
>>>At the appeal hearings before the Supreme Court, the Attorney General
>>>of
>>>Israel, Chaim Cohen, explained clearly why the Government of Israel
>>>was
>>>defending Kastner so strongly:
>>>
>>>The man Kastner does not stand here as a private individual. He was a
>>>recognized representative, official or non-official of the Jewish
>>>National
>>>Institutes in Palestine and of the Zionist Executive; and I come here
>>>in
>>>this court to defend the representative of our national institutions."
>>>(Hecht, p. 268)
>>>
>>>The truth of this statement cannot be denied. Kastner's collaboration
>>>was
>>>not that of an individual. It was the collaboration of the Zionist
>>>leadership.
>>>
>>>So far, it has only been established that the Government of Israel
>>>continued to support a Nazi collaborator after the facts about his
>>>collaboration had been conclusively established in an Israeli court.
>>>But
>>>the story gets worse.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court of Israel unanimously found that Becher was indeed a
>>>
>>>Nazi war criminal and that Kastner had without justification, and in
>>>the 
>>>name 
>>>of the Jewish Agency, helped Becher to escape justice. On this point 
>>>Greenwald was acquitted of libel and Kastner was not 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>The Supreme Court also accepted the facts established in the lower
>>>court -
>>>that Kastner deliberately concealed the truth about Auschwitz from the
>>>majority of Hungarian Jews in exchange for Nazi permission to take a
>>>thousand or so to Palestine. Again, Kastner was far from being 'fully
>>>rehabilitated'.
>>>
>>>                        
>>>But now comes the really nasty bit. After unanimously acknowledging
>>>these
>>>facts, the Supreme Court of Israel, by a majority of three to two,
>>>found
>>>that Kastner's actions were morally justifiable and convicted
>>>Greenwald of
>>>criminal libel for calling this 'collaboration'.
>>>
>>>Kastner's actions only proved that he was a Nazi collaborator. It is
>>>the
>>>defense of these actions by the Government and Courts of Israel that
>>>prove
>>>conclusively that Zionism approves of Nazi collaboration.
>>>
>>>The majority of the Supreme Court of Israel did not rehabilitate
>>>Kastner.
>>>They joined him.
>>>
>>>Let us read from the majority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Shlomo
>>>Chesin:
>>>
>>>....What point was there in telling the people boarding the trains in
>>>Kluj,
>>>people struck by fate and persecuted, as to what awaits them at the
>>>end of
>>>their journey...Kastner spoke in detail of the situation, saying, 'The
>>>Hungarian Jew was a branch which long ago dried up on the tree'. This
>>>vivid
>>>description coincides with the testimony of another witness about the
>>>Hungarian Jews, 'This was a big Jewish community in Hungary, without
>>>any
>>>ideological Jewish backbone' (Moshe Shweiger, a Kastner aide in
>>>Budapest,
>>>protocol 465).
>>>
>>>I fully agree with my friend, Judge Agranot, when he states that, 'The
>>>Jews
>>>of Hungary, including those in the countryside, were not capable,
>>>neither
>>>physically nor mentally, to carry out resistance operations with force
>>>against the deportation scheme'...From this point of view no rescue
>>>achievement could have resulted by disclosing the Auschwitz news to
>>>the
>>>Jewish leaders there, and this is a consideration which on can
>>>properly
>>>conclude that Kastner had in front of his eyes.
>>>
>>>....And I take one more step. I am certain that the silence of Kastner
>>>when
>>>he arrived in Kluj was premeditated and calculated and did not result
>>>from
>>>his great despair because of the helplessness of the Jewish community.
>>>Even
>>>then, I say, this is still not considered wilful collaboration and
>>>assistance in the extermination, because all the signs indicate that
>>>Kastner's efforts were aimed at rescue and rescue on a big scale...And
>>>towards the end I take one last step. In doing so I go very far and
>>>say
>>>that even if Kastner ordered himself to keep silent knowingly, in
>>>submission to the strong will of the Nazis, in order to save a few
>>>Jews
>>>from Hell - this is still no proof that he stained his hands by
>>>collaborating with the enemies of his people and carrying out their
>>>plan to
>>>exterminate most of the Jewish community in Hungary.
>>>
>>>Even if, through these activities of his - or rather, his omission -
>>>the
>>>extermination became easier. And as to the moral issue, the question
>>>is not
>>>whether a man is allowed to kill many in order to save a few, or
>>>vice-versa. The question is altogether in another sphere and should be
>>>defined as follows: A man is aware that a whole community is awaiting
>>>its
>>>doom. He is allowed to make efforts to save a few, although part of
>>>his
>>>efforts involve concealment of truth from the many or should he
>>>disclose
>>>the truth to many though it is his best opinion that this way
>>>everybody
>>>will perish. I think that the answer is clear. What good will the
>>>blood of
>>>the few bring if everybody is to perish?...As I said, I am not arguing
>>>with
>>>the basic factual findings of the learned President of the Jewish
>>>District
>>>Court (Judge Halevi) but it seems to me, with all due respect, that
>>>his
>>>findings do not, as of necessity, demand the conclusion he has arrived
>>>at.
>>>That is to say, collaboration on the part of Kastner in the
>>>extermination
>>>of the Jews. And that they better coincide with bad leadership both
>>>from a
>>>moral and public point of view...
>>>
>>>In my opinion, one can say outright that if you find out that Kastner
>>>collaborated with the enemy because he did not disclose to the people
>>>who
>>>boarded the trains in Kluj that they were being led to extermination,
>>>one
>>>has to put on trial today Danzig, Herman, Hanzi, Brand, Revis and
>>>Marton,
>>>and many more leaders and half-leaders who gagged themselves in an
>>>hour of
>>>crisis and did not inform others of what was known to them and did not
>>>warn
>>>and did not cry out of the coming danger....
>>>
>>>Because of all this I cannot confirm the conclusion of the District
>>>Court
>>>with regard to the accusation that Greenwald has thrown on Kastner of
>>>collaboration with the Nazis in exterminating the Jewish people in
>>>Hungary
>>>during the last war." (Hecht, ibid., pp.270-2)
>>>
>>>In other words, the Court approved of Kastner's contempt for the
>>>Hungarian
>>>Jews and could not allow him to be condemned for doing exactly what
>>>many
>>>other Zionist leaders had half-leaders did - concealing their
>>>knowledge of
>>>the Nazi extermination plans so that Jews would board the trains to
>>>Auschwitz peacefully while their Zionist 'leaders' boarded a different
>>>train for Palestine.
>>>
>>>The most precise answer to this sickening judgement of Judge Chesin is
>>>
>>>provided in the minority judgement of Supreme Court Judge Moshe
>>>Silberg:
>>>
>>>I do not say that he was the only man who possessed information among
>>>the
>>>leaders. It is quite possible that somebody else as well does not have
>>>a
>>>clear conscience with regards to this concealment. But we are dealing
>>>here
>>>with the guilt of Kastner and we do not have to make judgements on the
>>>guilt of others....
>>>
>>>The declaration of the learned Attorney General therefore shrinks into
>>>an
>>>opinion....'Kastner was convinced and believed that there was no ray
>>>of
>>>hope for the Jews of Hungary, almost for none of them, and as he, as a
>>>result of his personal despair, did not disclose the secret of the
>>>extermination in order not to endanger or frustrate the rescue of the
>>>few -
>>>therefore he acted in good faith and should not be accused of
>>>collaborating
>>>with the Nazis in expediting the extermination of the Jews, even
>>>though, in
>>>fact, he brought about its result.'
>>>
>>>I am compelled to state that it is very difficult for me to conceive
>>>such
>>>an intention. Is this good faith? Can a single man, even in
>>>cooperation
>>>with some of his friends, yield to despair on behalf and without the
>>>knowledge of 800,000 other people? This is, in my opinion, the
>>>decisive
>>>consideration in the problem facing us. The charge emanating from the
>>>testimony of the witnesses against Kastner is that had they known of
>>>the
>>>Auschwitz secret, then thousands or tens of thousands would have been
>>>able
>>>to save their lives by local, partial, specific or indirect rescue
>>>operations like local revolts, resistance, escapes, hidings,
>>>concealment of
>>>children with Gentiles, forging of documents, ransom money, bribery,
>>>etc. -
>>>and when this is the case and when one deals with many hundreds of
>>>thousands, how does a human being, a mortal, reject with complete
>>>certainty
>>>and with an extreme 'no' the efficiency of all the many and varied
>>>rescue
>>>ways? How can he examine the tens of thousands of possibilities? Does
>>>he
>>>decide instead of God? Indeed, he who can act with such a usurpation
>>>of the
>>>last hope of hundreds of thousands is not entitled to claim good faith
>>>as
>>>his defense. The penetrating question quo warrento is a good answer to
>>>a
>>>claim of such good faith...
>>>
>>>If the superintendent of a big hospital lets thousands of sick people
>>>die
>>>so that he may devote himself to the sure rescue of one soul, he will
>>>come
>>>out guilty, at least morally, even if it is proven that he as an
>>>individual
>>>erroneously thought that there was no hope of saving the other
>>>patients. He
>>>is a collaborator with the angel of death.
>>>
>>>Either a complete atrophy of the soul or a blind involvement with
>>>complete
>>>loss of senses and proportion in his small but personal rescue
>>>operation
>>>could bring a man to such a gigantic, hazardous play.
>>>
>>>And if all this is not enough to annul the claim of good faith which
>>>was
>>>put before us on behalf of Kastner by the Attorney General, then
>>>Kastner
>>>himself comes and annuls it altogether. Not only did he never make
>>>this
>>>claim, but his own words prove the contrary. He writes in his report
>>>to the
>>>Jewish Agency that the Committee sent emissaries to many ghettos in
>>>the
>>>countryside and pleaded with them to organize escapes and to refuse to
>>>board the trains. And though the story of these pleadings is untrue,
>>>and
>>>the silence of Kastner in Kluj is proven, the very uttering of these
>>>statements entirely contradicts the claim that Kastner had concealed
>>>the
>>>news about the fate of the ghetto inmates in good faith and only as a
>>>result of his complete despairing of the chances of escaping or
>>>resisting
>>>the Germans. You can not claim at the same time helplessness and
>>>activity.
>>>Anyway, such a claim is not convincing...
>>>
>>>We can sum up with three facts:
>>>
>>>A. That the Nazis didn't want to have a great revolt - nor small
>>>revolts,
>>>and their passion was to have the extermination machine working 
>>>smoothly without resistance. This fact was known to Kastner from
>>>the best source - from Eichmann himself - And he had additional proofs
>>>of
>>>that when he witnessed all the illusionary and misleading tactics
>>>which
>>>were being taken by the Nazis from the first moment of occupation.
>>>
>>>B. That the most efficient means to paralyze the resistance with - or
>>>the
>>>escape of a victim is to conceal from him the plot of the coming
>>>murder.
>>>This fact is known to every man and one does not need any proof of 
>>>evidence for this.
>>>
>>>C. That he, Kastner, in order to carry out the rescue plan for the few
>>>prominents, fulfilled knowingly and without good faith the said desire
>>>of
>>>the Nazis, thus expediting the work of exterminating the masses.
>>>
>>>And also the rescue of Becher by Kastner...He who is capable of
>>>rescuing
>>>this Becher from hanging proves that the atrocities of this great war
>>>criminal were not so horrifying or despicable in his eyes...I couldn't
>>>base
>>>the main guilt of Kastner on this fact had it been alone, but when it
>>>is
>>>attached even from afar to the whole scene of events it throws
>>>retroactive
>>>light on the whole affair and serves as a dozen proofs of our
>>>conclusion."(Supreme Court Judge, Moshe Silberg, 1957)
>>>
>>>                         
>>>If that had been the majority judgement, one could say that whatever
>>>their
>>>attitudes to the Arabs, and whatever their past behaviour might have
>>>been
>>>under pressure, the Zionist leadership today did not advocate
>>>collaboration
>>>with the Nazis.
>>>
>>>But Judge Silberg's judgement was that of a minority.
>>>
>>>The Kastner case is therefore not an alleged episode in past history.
>>>
>>>It is a continuing controversy in which the top Zionist leadership of
>>>Israel stand indicted of continuing to publicly defend collaboration
>>>with
>>>the Nazis in the extermination of Jews.
>>>
>>>Despite the unanimous finding of the Supreme Court of Israel that Kurt
>>>Becher was a major war criminal, the Jewish Agency (World Zionist
>>>Organization) refused to withdraw the fraudulent certificate Kastner
>>>gave
>>>on their behalf, which saved Becher from hanging, and allowed him to
>>>remain
>>>a free man in West Germany, the head of several corporations and with
>>>an
>>>estimated personal worth of $30 million.
>>>
>>>Becher has even used his certification as a 'good' SS officer to give
>>>evidence in support of his associates at other war crimes trials in
>>>West
>>>Germany.
>>>
>>>Since the prosecution, representing the Israeli Government agreed with
>>>the
>>>Supreme Court that Becher was a major war criminal, one can only
>>>pressure
>>>that the Israeli Government did not want him put on trial for fear of
>>>what
>>>might come out.
>>>
>>>Likewise, none of Kastner's associates on the Zionist Relief and
>>>Rescue
>>>Committee or his bosses in the Jewish Agency have ever been put on
>>>trial .
>>>Let alone the hundreds of 'prominents' who helped Kastner to reassure
>>>the 
>>>Hungarian Jews that they were going to Kenyermeze and not Auschwitz,
>>>in exchange for tickets on the one train that took them eventually to 
>>>Palestine.
>>>
>>>As for Kastner himself, he will cause no further embarrassment to the
>>>Zionist leadership with his undisputed claims that everything he did
>>>was
>>>approved by the Jewish Agency (World Zionist Organization) leadership
>>>in
>>>Palestine. He is 'now dead'. Or putting it less delicately, on 3 March
>>>1957
>>>he was shot by Zeev Eckstein - immediately after the appeal hearings
>>>were
>>>concluded, and before the judgement 'rehabilitating' him was
>>>delivered.
>>>Eckstein was not a Hungarian avenger. He was a paid undercover agent
>>>of the
>>>Israeli secret service. (Hecht, ibid., p.208). Another 'fantastic
>>>allegation' no doubt; but admitted in court during the murder trial).



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>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>>>
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>>
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site. 
>>>
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups. 
>>>
>>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable. 
>>>
>>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>>
>>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>>
>>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists. 
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten. 
>>>
>>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed. 
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>>
>>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>>
>>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.'' 
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>>
>>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>>
>>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>>
>>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>>
>>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>



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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:16:59 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>>> > allegedly died in WWII.
>
>>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?
>
>>>> J.B.
>
>>>=================
>>>Presence of Jews in Hitler's army clearly rules out the story of
>>>exterminatinon.  Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.
>
>>>They have not done it ... little chance that there was Jewish genocide. 
>>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>>chance to cremate.
>
>>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?
>
>>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet.  Being so
>>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world.  While
>>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.
>
>>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>>reproduced.  In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.
>
>>>But I do not worry about that.  Mere forty years of education given to
>>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.
>
>>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>>Pawlikowski



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie's cyberthrash
>>>-------------
>>>md
>>>
>>>greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>> 
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski's story too.
>>>> 
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>> 
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > -------------
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>> 
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ------------



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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:54:40 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, white_guy88@hotmail.com (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>      I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>>      However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>>      people.
>>>>      No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>>      They come illegally into Israel.
>>>>       Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>>                                            irgun43
>
>>>   Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don't
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand. 
>
>>> "They come illegally ..."  Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel,  and although brothels are 
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach. 
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn't appear to be the case
>>> in Israel. 
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it's host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it's too late!
> 



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>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>>>
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>>
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site. 
>>>
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups. 
>>>
>>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable. 
>>>
>>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>>
>>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>>
>>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists. 
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten. 
>>>
>>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed. 
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>>
>>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>>
>>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.'' 
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>>
>>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>>
>>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>>
>>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>>
>>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>



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On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:12:49 GMT, chiffre@chambre.com wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>>mail this year, because of concern about theft??

>>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>>what
>>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>>Friedrich
>>>>                                                                    
>>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>>
>>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>>
>>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>>



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On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:52:32 -0500, Tomas Leveckis
 wrote:

>The hypocrisy of it all was the slogan 'never again'..............
>doesn't anyone find it funny that many more Cambodians
>died in a similar manner, but they will never get 1 billionth
>of the attention that the holocaust got.......



In fact, Stalin and his JEW-led CHEKA/KGB forerunners, murdered more
than 25 million people in the UKRAINE in 1932-33!!!

This is well documented, but because it was the JEWS doing the killing
is not as well publicised by the Jews!!!



>ORAC wrote:
>
>> In article <367368C2.A14B9A86@shinil.org>, Thomas Nelson
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >ORAC wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <75204g$stt$1@remarQ.com>, "Sam Killians"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Give me a break, if 6000000 died that would have cut their population in
>> >> >half which it didn't!
>> >>
>> >> The above has to be the lamest Holocaust denier post I've seen in several
>> >> months.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Where did Sam Killians denied the Holocaust. He only *QUESTIONED* the number of
>> >jewish victims as every one knows their are a big * ? * on that issue among the
>> >historians. Unfortunately any one who questioned the numbers of the victims or
>> >the details of the tragedy would be labelled as an * anti Semitic *.
>>
>> Where did anyone call Sam Killians "anti-Semitic"?
>>
>> >The 6,000,000  is not an accurate number, according to many statistics
>> before and
>> >after the war the number of jews did not decrease that much.
>>
>> Please post your evidence that "6,000,000 is not an accurate number" and
>> that "the number of Jews did not decrease that much." If you can't do
>> that, we will have to conclude that you do not know what you are talking
>> about.
>>
>> --
>> THE ABOVE E-MAIL ADDRESS ONLY ACCEPTS MAIL FROM FAMILY
>> AND FRIENDS. TO E-MAIL ME, USE: dgorski[at]xsite[dot]net!
>> -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
>> ORAC                     |"A statement of fact cannot be
>> a.k.a. David Gorski      | insolent."   ORAC
>> Chicago, IL              |



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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:16:59 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>>> > allegedly died in WWII.
>
>>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?
>
>>>> J.B.
>
>>>=================
>>>Presence of Jews in Hitler's army clearly rules out the story of
>>>exterminatinon.  Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.
>
>>>They have not done it ... little chance that there was Jewish genocide. 
>>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>>chance to cremate.
>
>>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?
>
>>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet.  Being so
>>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world.  While
>>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.
>
>>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>>reproduced.  In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.
>
>>>But I do not worry about that.  Mere forty years of education given to
>>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.
>
>>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>>Pawlikowski



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie's cyberthrash
>>>-------------
>>>md
>>>
>>>greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>> 
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski's story too.
>>>> 
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>> 
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > -------------
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>> 
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ------------



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Subject: Re: Jews in the white sex slave trade against Slavic women pt.1
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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:54:40 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, white_guy88@hotmail.com (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>      I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>>      However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>>      people.
>>>>      No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>>      They come illegally into Israel.
>>>>       Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>>                                            irgun43
>
>>>   Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don't
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand. 
>
>>> "They come illegally ..."  Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel,  and although brothels are 
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach. 
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn't appear to be the case
>>> in Israel. 
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it's host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it's too late!
> 



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On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:12:49 GMT, chiffre@chambre.com wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>>mail this year, because of concern about theft??

>>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>>what
>>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>>Friedrich
>>>>                                                                    
>>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>>
>>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>>
>>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>>



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On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, nikst@glasnet.ru wrote:

>Reply-To: 
>From: "nikst" 
>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300
>
>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998
>
>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>Contributing Foreign Editor
>
>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show 
>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, 
>the 65th anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly 
>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be 
>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent
>farmers - called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>crush Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.
>
> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from 
>Moscow
>- earlier versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian
>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>
>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, 
>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not 
>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin 
>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death - mass
>starvation.
>
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>confiscated from Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator
>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and 
>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, 
>cold and sickness.
>
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. 
>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 
>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were 
>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped 
>supervise the slaughter.
>
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, 
>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant 
>children.
>
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's
>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>The KGB's archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at 
>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine 
>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine's population was 
>exterminated.
>
>Millions of victims
>
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>million war dead.
>
>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, 
>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame 
>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. 

When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??


As a direct
>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>region's innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>Europe's Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's 
>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust, 
>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world's gaze. But 
>Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a 
>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the 
>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 
>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not 
>see one under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent
>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>wrote claims of famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million 
>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New 
>York Times has never repudiated Duranty's lies.
>
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>and historical roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime -
>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>theology.
>
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they 
>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who 
>Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle Joe," murdered four times more people 
>than Adolf Hitler.
>
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and 
>enjoying a generous state pension.
>
>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: margolis@foreigncorrespondent.com.
>
>Letters to the editor should be sent to: editor@sunpub.com.
>
>**********
>
>
>



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On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:52:32 -0500, Tomas Leveckis
 wrote:

>The hypocrisy of it all was the slogan 'never again'..............
>doesn't anyone find it funny that many more Cambodians
>died in a similar manner, but they will never get 1 billionth
>of the attention that the holocaust got.......



In fact, Stalin and his JEW-led CHEKA/KGB forerunners, murdered more
than 25 million people in the UKRAINE in 1932-33!!!

This is well documented, but because it was the JEWS doing the killing
is not as well publicised by the Jews!!!



>ORAC wrote:
>
>> In article <367368C2.A14B9A86@shinil.org>, Thomas Nelson
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >ORAC wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <75204g$stt$1@remarQ.com>, "Sam Killians"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Give me a break, if 6000000 died that would have cut their population in
>> >> >half which it didn't!
>> >>
>> >> The above has to be the lamest Holocaust denier post I've seen in several
>> >> months.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Where did Sam Killians denied the Holocaust. He only *QUESTIONED* the number of
>> >jewish victims as every one knows their are a big * ? * on that issue among the
>> >historians. Unfortunately any one who questioned the numbers of the victims or
>> >the details of the tragedy would be labelled as an * anti Semitic *.
>>
>> Where did anyone call Sam Killians "anti-Semitic"?
>>
>> >The 6,000,000  is not an accurate number, according to many statistics
>> before and
>> >after the war the number of jews did not decrease that much.
>>
>> Please post your evidence that "6,000,000 is not an accurate number" and
>> that "the number of Jews did not decrease that much." If you can't do
>> that, we will have to conclude that you do not know what you are talking
>> about.
>>
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:16:59 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>>> > allegedly died in WWII.
>
>>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?
>
>>>> J.B.
>
>>>=================
>>>Presence of Jews in Hitler's army clearly rules out the story of
>>>exterminatinon.  Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.
>
>>>They have not done it ... little chance that there was Jewish genocide. 
>>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>>chance to cremate.
>
>>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?
>
>>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet.  Being so
>>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world.  While
>>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.
>
>>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>>reproduced.  In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.
>
>>>But I do not worry about that.  Mere forty years of education given to
>>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.
>
>>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>>Pawlikowski



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie's cyberthrash
>>>-------------
>>>md
>>>
>>>greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>> 
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski's story too.
>>>> 
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>> 
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > -------------
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>> 
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ------------



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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:54:40 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, white_guy88@hotmail.com (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>      I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>>      However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>>      people.
>>>>      No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>>      They come illegally into Israel.
>>>>       Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>>                                            irgun43
>
>>>   Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don't
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand. 
>
>>> "They come illegally ..."  Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel,  and although brothels are 
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach. 
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn't appear to be the case
>>> in Israel. 
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it's host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it's too late!
> 



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>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>>>
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>>
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site. 
>>>
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups. 
>>>
>>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable. 
>>>
>>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>>
>>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>>
>>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists. 
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten. 
>>>
>>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed. 
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>>
>>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>>
>>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.'' 
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>>
>>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>>
>>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>>
>>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>>
>>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>



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This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
in many other newspapers across Canada.

The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
the TRUTH for a change!!!

On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, "Koshercook" 
wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
>
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us...]
>
>
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>
>
>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>
>
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>
>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers - called
>kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine's
>growing spirit of nationalism.
>
>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier
>versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.
>
>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death - mass starvation.
>
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)
>
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB's archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe's Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world's gaze. But Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty's lies.
>
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime - the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle Joe,"
>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.
>
>



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie's cyberthrash
>>>-------------
>>>md
>>>
>>>greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>> 
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski's story too.
>>>> 
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>> 
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > -------------
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>> 
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ------------



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On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:12:49 GMT, chiffre@chambre.com wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:31:54 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>>Just wondering, does this mean people will not be sending Christmas
>>mail this year, because of concern about theft??

>>On Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:17:19 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:

>>>>I am selling through internet and I meanwhile have been loosing mail
>>>>worth USD 1000.00 + . Of course registered letters. No use. They do
>>>>what
>>>>they want over there. If I get an order from Canada I get frightened.
>>>>And it is going on like that since a very long time.
>>>>Friedrich
>>>>                                                                    
>>>>I    Austrian Consult AG                                              
>>>>I    Dr. Friedrich Zettl                                              
>>>>I    Bruennerstrasse 20                    Tel: + 43 1 275 55 - 249
>>>>
>>>>I    A - 1210 Wien                        FAX: + 43 1 275 55 - 100
>>>>
>>>>I    A U S T R I A         http://www.profinet.at/austrianconsult/    
>>>>I_____________________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:51:38 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>On 30 Oct 1998 15:47:29 GMT, kmcvay@veritas.nizkor.org (Kenneth McVay
>>>>>SOB) wanted to write the following rather than supporting the thieves
>>>>>in Canada Post:
>>>>>
>>>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>>>Bill of Rights.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>>>Government of Cuba!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>>>foreign government department. The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>>>campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>>>mail to and from canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it
>>>>>>>disappearing!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>The original article documenting the problems experience by Carl kane,
>>>>>>>as documented  with APS, are but the tips of the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>It seems that dealers in Canada, and also now in UK, are filing their
>>>>>>>complaints about thefts from Canada mails, with the MP D.Grey in
>>>>>>>Ottawa, and also with media all over the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Read all the articles below!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is not only in Toronto that Registered Mail is being regularly
>>>>>>>>stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:19:49 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Western Canada, especially Edmonton, is being reported in the media as
>>>>>>>>>the latest crisis area for thefts, particularly of Registered Mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Apparently, senior staff in the main post office have been helping
>>>>>>>>>themselves to mail of value, even including Registered mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So far, only one person has been charged, and convicted in Court.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Even the media have had to admit, that the thefts are still
>>>>>>>>>continuing, so it is obvious that the senior thieves have still not
>>>>>>>>>been arrested.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Governments overseas have been forced to intervene in connection with
>>>>>>>>>the ongoing thefts from and to Edmonton, Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Coming on the heels of the stupid mail strike just before Christmas,
>>>>>>>>>it seems Canada Post just does not give a damn about delivering the
>>>>>>>>>mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That only a few of the staff, probably management types, are the
>>>>>>>>>culprits makes it difficult for those who are really honest workers in
>>>>>>>>>Canada Post. It seems further, that management of Canada Post just
>>>>>>>>>want to hush up, and cover up, the ongoing thefts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you also are a victim of theft from the mails through western
>>>>>>>>Canada, you should be contacting the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, be sure to send copies of your complaint to the following;
>>>>>>>>Ms.D.Gray - Deputy Leader of the Reform Party of Canada
>>>>>>>>HOUSE OF COMMONS,
>>>>>>>>OTTAWA - CANADA
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>She is handling many complaints of thefts from the mail, even of
>>>>>>>>Registered items!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No postage is needed if mailed in Canada
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Send your complaints of theft from the mails in Canada, in addition to
>>>>>>>>D.Grey,MP, to your local media - radio,tv and newspapers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 11 Jun 1998 18:34:27 GMT, jtc@crosslink.net (Jay T. Carrigan)
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rainer,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sorry to hear about your had problems with registered mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here's a very relevant "letter to the editor" published in the June 
>>>>>>>1998 issue of the American Philatelist:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Canadian Mail Warning
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Philatelists should be aware of a string of registered mail losses of
>>>>>>>letters and packages destined for or originating from Toronto, Canada,
>>>>>>>in the last two years.  Despite the fact that twenty-three  Canadian
>>>>>>>Postal Corp (CPC) employees were arrested for mail theft in 1997, the
>>>>>>>losses continue, indicating that the arrests may have touched only the
>>>>>>>tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The arrests occurred in June 1997 at the Toronto's Gateway Postal 
>>>>>>>Terminal, the largest mail sorting facility in Canada.  Unfortunately,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to date there are no reports that any of those arrested have been 
>>>>>>>charged or prosecuted, material reported missing by thousands of 
>>>>>>>customers remains missing, and CPC users continue to suffer sometimes 
>>>>>>>substantial losses.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Also unfortunately, there have been no stories in the American press
>>>>>>>about these increasingly frequent losses.  Collectors must be warned
>>>>>>>of the high risk of using the Canadian mail service.  Registered mail 
>>>>>>>is no protection against loss, and in fact may flag the mail to the 
>>>>>>>attention of the mail handlers who prey on the public.  If you must 
>>>>>>>send material to Canada, or if you need to receive items from the
>>>>>>>country, you will be more successful if you use Federal Express and
>>>>>>>pay the higher cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                        Carl E. Kane
>>>>>>>                                          East Dennis, Massachusetts"
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     Jay Carrigan          jtc@crosslink.net
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In article <6l895l$r19$1@gulfa.kuwait.net>, Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>> writes
>>>>>>>>>>How does the Canadian Post handles registered letters?
>>>>>>>>>>Does the receiver need to sign a receive note?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It seems that some of my registered letters to Canada have not reached the
>>>>>>>>>>receiver. For the first letter a inquiry was made... and the addressee just
>>>>>>>>>>needed to sign on a paper form from the Canadian Post that he has not
>>>>>>>>>>received the letter. Does the Canadian Post is not able to track the
>>>>>>>>>>letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Rainer Fuchs
>>>>>>>>>>Email:    r.fuchs@euromail.com
>>>>>>>>>>Web Site: http://fuchs-online.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If the thefts are in Canada, there is little point complaining to
>>>>>>>>USPS.
>>>>>>>>Complain to APS, and then the Canadian MP who is interested, as well
>>>>>>>>as other media.
>>>>>



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On 14 Dec 1998 05:44:48, nikst@glasnet.ru wrote:

>Reply-To: 
>From: "nikst" 
>Subject: THE TORONTO SUN: Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 04:47:59 +0300
>
>THE TORONTO SUN, Sunday, December 13, 1998
>
>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
>By ERIC MARGOLIS
>Contributing Foreign Editor
>
>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show 
>trial of that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, 
>the 65th anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly 
>ignored. Leftists now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be 
>reminded of the Unknown Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in
>Ukraine. Stalin determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent
>farmers - called kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to
>crush Ukraine's growing spirit of nationalism.
>
> Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed
>terror and dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from 
>Moscow
>- earlier versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian
>peasants into collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began
>selective executions of recalcitrant farmers.
>
>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, 
>OGPU was ordered to begin mass executions. But there were simply not 
>enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many people, so Stalin 
>decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of death - mass
>starvation.
>
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were
>confiscated from Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator
>Mengistu Haile Mariam used the same method in the 1970s to force
>collectivization: the resulting famine cased one million deaths.)
>
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail
>lines. Nothing came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and 
>looted of food and fuel. Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, 
>cold and sickness.
>
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent
>henchman Lazar Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. 
>Kaganovitch, the Soviet Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 
>Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of all Ukrainian intellectuals were 
>executed. A Ukrainian party member named Nikita Khruschchev helped 
>supervise the slaughter.
>
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created
>by Kaganovitch and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, 
>boots and belts, plus bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant 
>children.
>
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's
>custom-made famine and Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day.
>The KGB's archives, and recent work by Russian historians, show at 
>least seven million died. Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine 
>million, or higher. Twenty-five percent of Ukraine's population was 
>exterminated.
>
>Millions of victims
>
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot
>during collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10
>million peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in
>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in
>the USSR; massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial
>genocide accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20
>million war dead.
>
>Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were
>Jewish. The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the
>frightful crimes and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, 
>the Baltic states and Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame 
>the Jewish people for both communism and their suffering. 

When even a Jew writer admits the truth, perhaps Christmas is near??


As a direct
>result, during the subsequent Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the
>region's innocent Jews became the target of ferocious revenge by
>Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of
>Europe's Jews by the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger
>holocaust in Ukraine has been suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's 
>genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler began the Jewish Holocaust, 
>and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before the world's gaze. But 
>Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or concealed by a 
>left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day. In the 
>strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney
>Webb and PM Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 
>and proclaimed reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not 
>see one under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent
>Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting,
>wrote claims of famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million 
>people were dying around them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New 
>York Times has never repudiated Duranty's lies.
>
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological
>and historical roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime -
>the inevitable result of enforced social engineering and Marxist
>theology.
>
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the
>governments of Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the
>Ukrainian genocide and Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they 
>eagerly welcomed him as an ally during World War II. Stalin, who 
>Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle Joe," murdered four times more people 
>than Adolf Hitler.
>
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were
>ever brought to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a
>few years ago, still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and 
>enjoying a generous state pension.
>
>Eric can be reached by e-mail at: margolis@foreigncorrespondent.com.
>
>Letters to the editor should be sent to: editor@sunpub.com.
>
>**********
>
>
>



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On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 13:52:32 -0500, Tomas Leveckis
 wrote:

>The hypocrisy of it all was the slogan 'never again'..............
>doesn't anyone find it funny that many more Cambodians
>died in a similar manner, but they will never get 1 billionth
>of the attention that the holocaust got.......



In fact, Stalin and his JEW-led CHEKA/KGB forerunners, murdered more
than 25 million people in the UKRAINE in 1932-33!!!

This is well documented, but because it was the JEWS doing the killing
is not as well publicised by the Jews!!!



>ORAC wrote:
>
>> In article <367368C2.A14B9A86@shinil.org>, Thomas Nelson
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >ORAC wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <75204g$stt$1@remarQ.com>, "Sam Killians"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Give me a break, if 6000000 died that would have cut their population in
>> >> >half which it didn't!
>> >>
>> >> The above has to be the lamest Holocaust denier post I've seen in several
>> >> months.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Where did Sam Killians denied the Holocaust. He only *QUESTIONED* the number of
>> >jewish victims as every one knows their are a big * ? * on that issue among the
>> >historians. Unfortunately any one who questioned the numbers of the victims or
>> >the details of the tragedy would be labelled as an * anti Semitic *.
>>
>> Where did anyone call Sam Killians "anti-Semitic"?
>>
>> >The 6,000,000  is not an accurate number, according to many statistics
>> before and
>> >after the war the number of jews did not decrease that much.
>>
>> Please post your evidence that "6,000,000 is not an accurate number" and
>> that "the number of Jews did not decrease that much." If you can't do
>> that, we will have to conclude that you do not know what you are talking
>> about.
>>
>> --
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On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:16:59 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:28:22 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>>jacob bekker wrote:
>>>> someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>
>>>> > One MUST question the alleged figure of the damn JEWS as to how many
>>>> > allegedly died in WWII.
>
>>>> Is there no wonder how the dumn Jews have so big influence in the world?
>
>>>> J.B.
>
>>>=================
>>>Presence of Jews in Hitler's army clearly rules out the story of
>>>exterminatinon.  Being in high places they would know that the story is
>>>true and would alert the world through their relatives.
>
>>>They have not done it ... little chance that there was Jewish genocide. 
>>>Moreover, there are no bones of 4,000,000 Jews Nazi did not have the
>>>chance to cremate.
>
>>>Why Jews are smart and there is no doubt about it?
>
>>>Jew are the oldest people on earth with practical alphabet.  Being so
>>>for they became the record keepers and accountants of the world.  While
>>>Slavic women looked at Slavic mens muscles in order to be sure that he
>>>will have the strenght to plow and feed her family Jewish maiden looked
>>>in Jewish boys for brains to sustain them.
>
>>>Moreover Catholicizm caused that the smartest boys especially in peasant
>>>families became priests and than the genes of smartnes did not
>>>reproduced.  In Rabbis families was just the opposite, the smartest boy
>>>in the shtetle was gettin hand of the smart rabbis daughters.
>
>>>But I do not worry about that.  Mere forty years of education given to
>>>the Slavs admixed with Jewish apparatus of terror and the Slavs managed
>>>to launch Sputnik and man space station Mir.
>
>>>Western Europeans were unable to do it.
>>>Pawlikowski



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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:33:28 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>Another significant article that merits discussion!!!
>>
>>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:15:13 -0400, PAWLIKOWSKI
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dddddddddd
>>>below, Hermie's cyberthrash
>>>-------------
>>>md
>>>
>>>greatdane@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> PAWLIKOWSKI wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> More Pawlikowski apologies for Nazi behavior!
>>>> > ============
>>>> > Just a moment ago, on soc.culture.polish, Dr. J. Ilicki, Associate
>>>> > Professor of Sociology and Judaic Studies on Upsalla University raised
>>>> > the question of Polish Polish in the service of Germans during
>>>> > occupation of Poland.  The only reason for this question at this time
>>>> > seems to be his need to stir interethnic hatered.  Provacatively, Dr.
>>>> > Ilicki asks: 1) who were the members of the police, volunteers or
>>>> > draftees?, 2) what was their social status? 3) what happened to them
>>>> > after the war?  Just to play completely innocent (and dumb) he also asks
>>>> > why they were called Granatowa (dark-navy-blue) Police.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only naive will believe that Prof. Ilicki does not know the answeres.
>>>> > Also only naive will believe that he is not interested in Pinsk the
>>>> > hometown of his parents and allegedly the site of the burial of his
>>>> > grandparents and over 30,000 pinksers (Jews from Pinsk).  He admitted
>>>> > that his mother listed them as killed there with Yad Vashem.  However,
>>>> > young (about 40 years old) Julian pretends disintrest, because he is
>>>> > afraid that exhumations might start at the alleged burial site and will
>>>> > find no skeletons as same happened last year at nearby Mariompole,
>>>> > presently in Lithuania.
>>>> >
>>>> > But coming back to Dr Illicki question: Polish Police during German
>>>> > occupation was  dramatically reduced in numbers and pre-war policemen
>>>> > were forced to serve as an auxillary force to German Ordnung Polizei.
>>>> > They were ususally not armed,
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski will have you believe that the German occupation police in
>>>> Minsk were unarmed!!!!!!
>>>> 
>>>> > and when armed never given more than five
>>>> > bullets for their long rifles.  Moreover, after each use of firearm they
>>>> > (as well as the Ukraininan Police) had to write a report for what target
>>>> > each bulett was used and with what effectivness, hardly an invitation to
>>>> > the genocide.
>>>> 
>>>> Hardly truth to Pawlikowski's story too.
>>>> 
>>>> > On the other hand there was a police force in the Third Reich, in which
>>>> > service was completely voluntary.  It was called Ordnungdienst.  Their
>>>> > emblem was a light alloy Star of David.  The social background of these
>>>> > Jewish collaborators according to Iasaiah Trunk was as follows: 18% with
>>>> > post-graduate degrees,  60% with college degree, 20% with elementary
>>>> > education.  These are data from self-serving, post-war questionaries.
>>>> >
>>>> > But even Trunk admits that in Warsaw the requirement was that EACH
>>>> > Jewish policeman has at least matura (two years of college) see page 489
>>>> > of his book.  In practice, the Jewish policemen were all lawyers and
>>>> > journalist who with the day of German occupation immediately were fired
>>>> > from their jobs, like the Polish teachers, because the schools were
>>>> > closed.
>>>> 
>>>> The service was voluntary. Take the job and keep your life a little
>>>> longer or die now!
>>>> 
>>>> Pawlikowski forgot how the Soviets were conscripted. Under Stalin they
>>>> ran to enlist hoping to avoid being killed in the next "relocation"!
>>>> > While Polish teachers joined the underground, unemployed Jewish
>>>> > intelligentia clamored for the police work.
>>>> >
>>>> > Some of it was really guresome as your remember from our previous
>>>> > description of the Feb. 1942 execution on Rybna Street market place in
>>>> > Lodz.  German newsreel of this horrible hanging is shown endlessly in
>>>> > Wisenthal Museum in LA.  Thousands of Jews standing and watching behind
>>>> > three uniformed Germans with their backs and holstered pistols facing
>>>> > Jewish crowd and about to be hanged women passing out and forced into
>>>> > the noose by Jewish Policemen.
>>>> >
>>>> > -------------
>>>> > Jozef Pawlikowski
>>>> >
>>>> > We think that it is unethical that you refuse to look for the mass
>>>> > graves of your relatives and ancestors from Pinsk Dr. Ilicki.  We found
>>>> > ours in Katyn, Miednoje Kharkiv, Palmiry, Treblinka I for Poles and
>>>> > dozens of other places.  Why you shrink from searching for your
>>>> > ancestors, Dr Ilicki?
>>>> >
>>>> Does there any normal healthy human being want to see the corpses of
>>>> your loved ones excavated? Maybe Pawlikowski would enjoy watching the
>>>> bones of his or her mother exhumed to count the bones as they demand of
>>>> other people.
>>>> 
>>>> Herman
>>>> > ------------



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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:54:40 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>On Sat, 09 May 1998 04:22:46 GMT, white_guy88@hotmail.com (Lenny)
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 8 May 1998 18:51:08 -0400, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj
>> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 4 May 1998, irgun1943 wrote:
>>
>>>> Dear Sir,
>>>>      I sympathize with people being forced into prostitution.
>>>>      However, your intent is to promote hatred of israel and the Jewish
>>>>      people.
>>>>      No one wants your women. No one needs your women.
>>>>      They come illegally into Israel.
>>>>       Why not whore for the Germans? Ukrainians are good at that.
>>>>                                            irgun43
>
>>>   Despite your professed sympathies, the rest of your statements don't
>>> stand scrutiny. These women are imported illegaly into Israel because
>>> there is obviously a demand, market, there for young slavic shikse.
>>> There would not be the trafficking, if there were no demand. 
>
>>> "They come illegally ..."  Well it appears that many arrive quite legally
>>> on promises/expectations of other work. Others are brought in, imported,
>>> illegaly.
>
>>> Israel is a country in which there are no laws prohibiting the buying
>>> and selling of human beings as merchandise.
>>> Also prostitution is legal in Israel,  and although brothels are 
>>> illegal, this law seems to be more honoured in the breach. 
>>> The article did not single out Israel, however whereas in other countries
>>> these things are at least illegal, that doesn't appear to be the case
>>> in Israel. 
>>> Your last sentence is definitely a statement intended to promote hatred.
>
>> The jews have a long history in slave trading. They financed and
>>promoted the slavery of the negroes, which is now resulting in the
>>racial mess we now have in America. *( For info on the jewish
>>involvement in the negro slave trade go to the following web site
>>http://www.tiac.net/users/lhl/Jews_and_Slavery.html
>> Now the jews are turning their hooked noses toward the white Eastern
>>European women, it is no wonder , these parasites of humanity abused
>>these people under communism now they abuse them sexually. It is the
>>nature of these people to destroy, like a parasite destroys it's host.
>> May the white people of the world wake up before it's too late!
> 



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>On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:57:37 GMT, kengoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:05:23, watcher2  wrote:
>>>
>>>>FEATURE-Auschwitz remains troubled ground for Poland
>>>>By Sean Maguire
>>>>Sept. 14, 1998
>>>
>>>>OSWIECIM, Poland (Reuters) - An angry man waving a gasoline can, a barking
>>>>puppy and a teen-age boy guard dozens of wooden crosses erected in a grassy
>>>>pit outside the high brick walls of the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz. 
>>>
>>>>Kazimierz Switon, a veteran anti-communist and radical Roman Catholic with a
>>>>history of anti-establishment gestures, has threatened to set himself on
>>>>fire if the Polish government tries to remove him and the crosses from the
>>>>sensitive site. 
>>>
>>>>From the bedraggled tent that is home to his campaign he has managed to give
>>>>the government an intractable problem, the latest to dog attempts to better
>>>>Poland's image abroad and improve relations between the country and Jewish
>>>>groups. 
>>>
>>>>``The conflict strikes a blow at Poland's interests and must be resolved as
>>>>swiftly as possible,'' prime ministerial adviser Agnieszka Magdziak
>>>>Miszewska told the Catholic news agency.  ``We are beginning to be perceived
>>>>as anarchistic xenophobes ruled by our emotions,'' she added. 
>>>
>>>>But even if the government quickly secures an eviction order against Switon,
>>>>the affair has stalled efforts to put the management of the Auschwitz
>>>>Birkenau complex on a firm footing and made further conflict over the tragic
>>>>site inevitable. 
>>>
>>>>DO'S AND DONT'S AT AUSCHWITZ 
>>>
>>>>At issue is the definition of what activity is appropriate at a place where
>>>>Nazi forces occupying Poland murdered up to 1.5 million people, 90 percent
>>>>of them Jews, in World War II.  Papal intervention was needed to resolve a
>>>>dispute over the presence of a Carmelite convent, which was moved out, and a
>>>>crisis erupted over plans to put a supermarket near the site. 
>>>
>>>>The presence of any religious symbols at the largest graveyard of European
>>>>Jewry has been a particular irritant since Jewish groups regard them as a
>>>>violation of the commemorative character and dignity of the complex. 
>>>
>>>>Poland's center-right government scored a minor triumph in December when it
>>>>removed unauthorized Stars of David and crosses from the dumping ground for
>>>>human ashes at Birkenau. 
>>>
>>>>A discreet deal between the government and an international Jewish coalition
>>>>to remove a large cross under which Polish-born Pope John Paul prayed in
>>>>1979 came unstuck when press attention caused a nationalist uproar. 
>>>
>>>>Switon's campaign to protect that and other crosses is backed by an informal
>>>>alliance of right-wing clergy, radical worker groups, anti-Semitic skinheads
>>>>and nationalists. 
>>>
>>>>It received initial support from Polish Catholics with memories of Communist
>>>>prohibitions on crosses in public places and from patriots determined that
>>>>national suffering at Auschwitz, where thousands of Poles died, not be
>>>>forgotten. 
>>>
>>>>But Switon's support has ebbed since bishops and the government took the
>>>>compromise position that the papal cross should remain and all new crosses
>>>>be removed. 
>>>>
>>>>A U.S-led international Jewish coalition, which has broken off dialogue with
>>>>Poland until the new crosses are taken down, is unlikely to accept the papal
>>>>cross as a permanent presence. That issue, the presence of a church in an
>>>>old Nazi building near Birkenau and a recent decision to allow a parking lot
>>>>and shop near Auschwitz are the next obstacles to be negotiated. 
>>>>
>>>>``The cross is a major problem,'' said Ralph Grunewald of the Holocaust
>>>>Memorial Museum in Washington. ``I don't know the answer but the cross, all
>>>>religious symbols, all post-period elements should be the subject of behind-
>>>>the-scene discussion.'' 
>>>>
>>>>``We have to remove all the crosses that were put up to provoke the Jewish
>>>>community,'' said presidential advisor Marek Siwiec, ``But I don't see any
>>>>chance to have a serious and moderate discussion about the papal cross at
>>>>the moment.'' 
>>>
>>>>POLISH DESIRE FOR DIALOGUE 
>>>
>>>>Polish officials are irritated that the Switon affair has stymied efforts to
>>>>sign a deal that would take the future of Auschwitz-Birkenau out of the
>>>>political arena. Mindful of its campaign to join NATO and the European Union
>>>>and anxious to expiate the guilt of a 1946 pogrom and an anti-Semitic
>>>>campaign in 1968, authorities have been working to improve ties with Israel
>>>>and the Jewish diaspora. 
>>>
>>>>President Alexander Kwasniewski proposed a renovation, preservation and
>>>>education program in 1996 and the state began work on costly local
>>>>improvement schemes that also benefited the adjacent run-down town of
>>>>Oswiecim. But a grander plan for the bleak sites in southwestern Poland, and
>>>>international funding, are on hold. 
>>>
>>>>The ambitious plan includes linking Auschwitz more directly to Birkenau, two
>>>>miles away. Birkenau, built explicitly as an extermination center and where
>>>>most Jews died, is harder to get to and visited less frequently. 
>>>
>>>>A new walkway could join the two sites, passing by the ``Judenrampe,'' the
>>>>railway siding where most of the Jews arriving from across Europe were
>>>>offloaded, which is now neglected and overgrown with weeds. The tracks
>>>>directly into Birkenau, familiar from photographs, were built in 1944 for
>>>>Hungarian Jewish transports in the last phase of the extermination campaign. 
>>>
>>>>``No. 1 is to preserve the site,'' said Miles Lerman, chairman of the U.S.
>>>>Holocaust Museum Council. ``We're talking about preserving barbed wire,
>>>>concrete, the crematories.'' 
>>>
>>>>A new visitors' center, educational efforts, a better defined protection
>>>>zone, ground rules for what commercial activity is permissible nearby and an
>>>>internationally accountable management board are also on the agenda. 
>>>
>>>>Despite the frosty climate the government has high hopes for a new law
>>>>taking all Nazi German camps on Polish territory out of local authority
>>>>control, meeting objections that they are sometimes managed parochially. The
>>>>law will cover camps where Polish political prisoners died and where
>>>>Hitler's troops implemented the ``Final Solution,'' wiping out most of
>>>>Poland's pre-war 3.3 million Jewish population. 
>>>
>>>>``I hope this law will be accepted by the main Jewish circles because its
>>>>absence was previously a barrier to creating dialogue,'' said Agnieszka
>>>>Magdziak-Miszewska. 
>>>
>>>>But officials accept that, despite good will and improving relations,
>>>>Polish- Jewish dialogue is still vulnerable. 
>>>
>>>>``We have to live with the fact that protests and controversies will be with
>>>>us for a long time,'' said Stanislaw Krajewski, a leader of Poland's tiny
>>>>Jewish community.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>



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This story, documented by a well respected Jewish writer, was carried
in many other newspapers across Canada.

The Zionist murderers are angry that it was written by a Jew, to tell
the TRUTH for a change!!!

On 17 Dec 1998 08:05:54 GMT, "Koshercook" 
wrote:

>Remembering Ukraine's Unknown Holocaust
>
>
>[How the High Jews in the Soviet Government Killed Millions in the USSR and
>Still Hide It From Us...]
>
>
>Archived for Scholarly Study
>
>
>From the Toronto Sun - December 13, 1998
>
>
>By ERIC MARGOLIS Contributing Foreign Editor
>
>As Britain's socialist government cleared the way for a gaudy show trial of
>that Great Satan of the left, Chile's Gen. Augusto Pinochet, the 65th
>anniversary of this century's bloodiest crime was utterly ignored. Leftists
>now baying for Pinochet's head don't want to be reminded of the Unknown
>Holocaust.
>
>In 1932, Soviet leader Josef Stalin unleashed genocide in Ukraine. Stalin
>determined to force Ukraine's millions of independent farmers - called
>kulaks - into collectivized Soviet agriculture, and to crush Ukraine's
>growing spirit of nationalism.
>
>Faced by resistance to collectivization, Stalin unleashed terror and
>dispatched 25,000 fanatical young party militants from Moscow - earlier
>versions of Mao's Red Guards - to force 10 million Ukrainian peasants into
>collective farms. Secret police units of OGPU began selective executions of
>recalcitrant farmers.
>
>When Stalin's red guards failed to make a dent in this immense number, OGPU
>was ordered to begin mass executions.
>
>But there were simply not enough Chekists (secret police) to kill so many
>people, so Stalin decided to replace bullets with a much cheaper medium of
>death - mass starvation.
>
>All seed stocks, grain, silage and farm animals were confiscated from
>Ukraine's farms. (Ethiopia's Communist dictator Mengistu Haile Mariam used
>the same method in the 1970s to force collectivization: the resulting famine
>cased one million deaths.)
>
>OGPU agents and Red Army troops sealed all roads and rail lines. Nothing
>came in or out of Ukraine. Farms were searched and looted of food and fuel.
>Ukrainians quickly began to die of hunger, cold and sickness.
>
>When OGPU failed to meet weekly execution quotas, Stalin sent henchman Lazar
>Kaganovitch to destroy Ukrainian resistance. Kaganovitch, the Soviet
>Eichmann, made quota, shooting 10,000 Ukrainians weekly. Eighty percent of
>all Ukrainian intellectuals were executed. A Ukrainian party member named
>Nikita Khruschchev helped supervise the slaughter.
>
>During the bitter winter of 1932-33, mass starvation created by Kaganovitch
>and OGPU hit full force. Ukrainians ate their pets, boots and belts, plus
>bark and roots. Some parents even ate infant children.
>
>The precise number of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin's custom-made famine and
>Cheka firing squads remains unknown to this day. The KGB's archives, and
>recent work by Russian historians, show at least seven million died.
>Ukrainian historians put the figure at nine million, or higher. Twenty-five
>percent of Ukraine's population was exterminated. Millions of victims
>
>Six million other farmers across the USSR were starved or shot during
>collectivization. Stalin told Winston Churchill he liquidated 10 million
>peasants during the 1930s. Add mass executions by the Cheka in Estonia,
>Latvia and Lithuania; the genocide of three million Muslims in the USSR;
>massacres of Cossacks and Volga Germans and Soviet industrial genocide
>accounted for at least 40 million victims, not including 20 million war
>dead. Kaganovitch and many senior OGPU officers (later, NKVD) were Jewish.
>The predominance of Jews among Bolshevik leaders, and the frightful crimes
>and cruelty inflicted by Stalin's Cheka on Ukraine, the Baltic states and
>Poland, led the victims of Red Terror to blame the Jewish people for both
>communism and their suffering. As a direct result, during the subsequent
>Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe, the region's innocent Jews became the
>target of ferocious revenge by Ukrainians, Balts and Poles.
>
>While the world is by now fully aware of the destruction of Europe's Jews by
>the Nazis, the story of the numerically larger holocaust in Ukraine has been
>suppressed, or ignored. Ukraine's genocide occurred 8-9 years before Hitler
>began the Jewish Holocaust, and was committed, unlike Nazi crimes, before
>the world's gaze. But Stalin's murder of millions was simply denied, or
>concealed by a left-wing conspiracy of silence that continues to this day.
>In the strange moral geometry of mass murder, only Nazis are guilty.
>Socialist luminaries like Bernard Shaw, Beatrice and Sidney Webb and PM
>Edouard Herriot of France, toured Ukraine during 1932-33 and proclaimed
>reports of famine were false. Shaw announced: "I did not see one
>under-nourished person in Russia." New York Times correspondent Walter
>Duranty, who won a Pulitzer Prize for his Russian reporting, wrote claims of
>famine were "malignant propaganda." Seven million people were dying around
>them, yet these fools saw nothing. The New York Times has never repudiated
>Duranty's lies.
>
>Modern leftists do not care to be reminded their ideological and historical
>roots are entwined with this century's greatest crime - the inevitable
>result of enforced social engineering and Marxist theology.
>
>Western historians delicately skirt the sordid fact that the governments of
>Britain, the U.S. and Canada were fully aware of the Ukrainian genocide and
>Stalin's other monstrous crimes. Yet they eagerly welcomed him as an ally
>during World War II. Stalin, who Franklin Roosevelt called "Uncle Joe,"
>murdered four times more people than Adolf Hitler.
>
>None of the Soviet mass murderers who committed genocide were ever brought
>to justice. Lazar Kaganovitch died peacefully in Moscow a few years ago,
>still wearing his Order of the Soviet Union, and enjoying a generous state
>pension.
>
>



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On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:53:42 GMT, bismarck88@antizhid.org wrote:
>>On Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:26:58 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>>>wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:06:50 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:

>>>>>And don't forget the roles of the cursed Christkillers - the damned
>>>>>JEWS - in the spread of Communism, and their involvement in the murder
>>>>>of more than 100 millions in this century!!!

>>>>>From Lucy Dawidowicz's book The War Against the Jews 1933-1945 by
>>>>>Bantam  #13084-6  says on page 377: "Exploiting the superstitious
>>>>>anti-Semitic prejudices  of the Lithuanians, the Balts, and Ukrainians
>>>>>and activating their  accumulated hatred for the Soviets, the Germans
>>>>>harnessed the violent  energies of these willing collaborates to round
>>>>>up and kill Jews."

>>>>>I now ask: "How could the Ukrainians have been anti-Semitic toward the
>>>>>Soviets, if the Soviets weren't in fact Jews? Because the Soviet Union
>>>>>was a Jewish  conceived and run totalitarian state! 
>>>>>
>>>>>"Individual revolutionary leaders and Sverdlov -- played a conspicuous
>>>>>part in the revolution of November, 1917,  which enabled the
>>>>>Bolshevists to take possession of the state apparatus" (Univ. Jew.
>>>>>Encyd., Vol. IX, p.668). Here and there in the Universal Jewish
>>>>>Encyclopedia other Jews are named as co-founders of Russian 
>>>>>Communism, but not Lenin and Stalin. Both of these, however, 
>>>>>are said by some writers to be half-Jewish. Whatever the racial
>>>>>antecedents of their top man, the first Soviet commissariats were 
>>>>>largely staffed with Jews. The Jewish position in the Communist
>>>>>movement was well understood in Russia. "The White Armies which
>>>>>opposed the Bolsehvik government linked Jews and Bolsheviks 
>>>>>as common enemies" (Univ. Jew Encyc.,  Vol. I, p. 336).
>>>>>
>>>>>The Ukrainians were part of the White Army (Gentile) that
>>>>>opposed the Red Army (loyal to Jewish Commissariats).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:41:29 -0000, "ANAS  JZAYRLI"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Since the times of Moses the Jews were oppressors or usurers, all the talent
>>>>>>of Jews Is concentrated on predatory acts...They have a creed which blesses
>>>>>>their thieving and misdeeds, they are real liars and bloodhounds, who have
>>>>>>not only perverted and  alsified the entire Scriptures from beginning to end
>>>>>>and without ceasing with their interpretations.
>>>>>>And all of the anxious sighing, longing and hope of their hearts is directed
>>>>>>to the time when some day they would like to deal with us as they dealt with
>>>>>>the heathen in Persia  at the time of Esther... O how they love that Book of
>>>>>>Esther, which is so suitable to their bloodthirsty revengeful,  murderous
>>>>>>appetite and hopes ! The sun has never shown on such a bloodthirsty and
>>>>>>revengeful people, who fancy themselves to be the chosen  people so they can
>>>>>>murder and strangle the heathen. No people under the sun is more greedy than
>>>>>>they are than they have been and always will be, as one can see from their
>>>>>>accursed usury. They console themselves that when their Messiah comes, he
>>>>>>will collect all the gold and silver in the world and divide it amongst
>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>Since childhood they have devoured such poisonous hatred against the Goyim
>>>>>>from  their parents and rabbis, and still devour such without ceasing, that
>>>>>>flesh and blood, bone and marrow, and has become their life and being. And
>>>>>>as little as they can alter flesh and blood, bone and marrow, so little can
>>>>>>they change such pride and envy, they just have to stay that way and be
>>>>>>ruined, if God does not perform a special miracle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"The Jews are locusts or caterpillars which are devouring France." Sayings
>>>>>>often repeated by Napoleon Bonaparte, quoted in Cherep-Spiridovich's
>>>>>>THE SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT, page 87.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>



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On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:27:09 GMT, someone@somewhere.com wrote:
>[More Headers]


>On Thu, 29 May 1997, Brian Blank wrote:
>Usual Jew supporting faggot-loving garbage - deleted

>Guess the business of swindling Chinese immigrants to Canada took a
>nosedive recently, when the Canadian Chamber of Commerce was forced to
>publicise that more than 200,000 Chinese Canadians have RETURNED TO HONG
>KONG, because of the amendments to the Canadian Income Tax rules.

>Now, the stupid Chinese must pay taxes on their overseas assets, just to
>make up for the unpaid taxes of the JEW BRONFMANS!!!

>It was the JEW BRONFMANS who took 2.2 BILLION dollars out of Canada
>without paying their Income Taxes.
>
>Then the Canadian Tax Department decided to make the Chinese pay to make
>up this shortfall.
>
>
>
>On Sun, 25 May 1997 14:06:14 -0400, sperati wrote:
>
>According to many newspapers in Canada this past week, the exodus of
>prominent Chinese, returning to Hong Kong, is now a flood.
>
>It seems that now that they have their Canadian Passports and
>citizenships, they do not feel obligated to pay the confiscatory Canada
>Income Taxes, just to make up for the billions looted by the damn  Bronfman
>JEWS!!!
>
>It seems that even in the Province of Quebec, there is now growing
>anti-JEW sentiments, all generated by the Bronfmans and their ilk.
>
>On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, blank wrote:
>
>Will the case of the BronfmanJEWS, who took 2.2 BILLION dollars out of
>Canada without paying their Income Taxes, come back to haunt the damn
>Liberals??
>
>Because of this ripoff of the Canadian taxpayers, now the stupid Chinese
>who emigrated to Canada, must now pay taxes on their overseas ASSETS,
>according to page 2 of the 1996 T-2 Tax Return Form!!!!
> 
>Why should the JEWS get preferential treatment, and not normal white
>people who also pay taxes???
>
>
>Brian Blank is to be thanked for repeating this news story worldwide, to
>remind the Chinese immigrants who have left Canada, why they are being
>swindled - to make up for the billions NOT paid by the Bronfman  JEWS!!!
>
>Copyright © 1995-97 Deja News, Inc. All rights reserved.



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On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:49:23 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:45:01 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>On 15 Jun 1998 14:08:53 GMT, justice_online@NoSPAM-2372.juno.com
>>wrote:

>>The State of Israel will forever struggle on how to explain its
>>propaganda about the Nazi era, while at the same time applying
>>Nazi-like tactics to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its Moslem and
>>Christian natives.

>>Its absurd for Israel to blackmail Switzerland for being truly neutral
>>in WWII, while publically and shamelessly committing crimes against
>>humanity in Palestine.

>>During the short life of Israel, its been involved in Genocides,
>>Ethnic Cleansing, Random and Collective Punishment, Home Demolitions,
>>and many other grave crimes against mostly civilian population in
>>Palestine and Lebanon as tens of teethless UN Reselution and millions
>>of Palestinian refugees attest to.
>>
>>Its incomprehensible, un-Christian, and immoral for the US Government
>>to give billion$ to the Criminal State of Israel to
>>ethnically cleanse the Moslem and Christian natives from Palestine.
>>
>>In conclusion, Zionists seem to say that Nazi Germany was wrong not by
>>what they did, but whom they did it too!
>>
>>
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On Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:34:20 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>If this is true, what are the tax departments in Canada and the US
>doing to send the criminals to prison??

>>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:58:29 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>>>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>>>
>>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>>
>>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>>> answer??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>>> >               letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>>>> 
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>>>
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>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>>>
>>>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>>>
>>>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>>>
>>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 16:49:23 GMT, KenSicko@zhid.oz.org wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:45:01 GMT, klarjude@zhid.org wrote:
>>On 15 Jun 1998 14:08:53 GMT, justice_online@NoSPAM-2372.juno.com
>>wrote:

>>The State of Israel will forever struggle on how to explain its
>>propaganda about the Nazi era, while at the same time applying
>>Nazi-like tactics to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its Moslem and
>>Christian natives.

>>Its absurd for Israel to blackmail Switzerland for being truly neutral
>>in WWII, while publically and shamelessly committing crimes against
>>humanity in Palestine.

>>During the short life of Israel, its been involved in Genocides,
>>Ethnic Cleansing, Random and Collective Punishment, Home Demolitions,
>>and many other grave crimes against mostly civilian population in
>>Palestine and Lebanon as tens of teethless UN Reselution and millions
>>of Palestinian refugees attest to.
>>
>>Its incomprehensible, un-Christian, and immoral for the US Government
>>to give billion$ to the Criminal State of Israel to
>>ethnically cleanse the Moslem and Christian natives from Palestine.
>>
>>In conclusion, Zionists seem to say that Nazi Germany was wrong not by
>>what they did, but whom they did it too!
>>
>>
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On Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:34:20 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>If this is true, what are the tax departments in Canada and the US
>doing to send the criminals to prison??

>>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:58:29 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>>>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>>>
>>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>>
>>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>>> answer??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>>> >               letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>>>> 
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>>>
>>>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>>>
>>>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>>>
>>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
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>>>>>
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>>>sven88



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On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 17:27:51 GMT, sbjarnason@hotmail.com wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:39:43 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:58:12 GMT, kenoyvay@nazikor.zhid.orgy wrote:

>>>Subject: Canada Post Managers Can STEAL MAIL!!!
>>>Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:46:38 GMT

>>>On Tuesday 14 October 1998, a Court in Edmonton Canada confirmed that
>>>Canada Post IS above the law, even above Magna Carta and the Canadian
>>>Bill of Rights.

>>>The Court confirmed, that  THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE CENT IN
>>>COMPENSATION, even if their managers STEAL  or lose a full sack of
>>>mail, being a sack full of computer propgrams being sent to the
>>>Education department of the Government of Cuba!!
>>>
>>>Further, that they are immune from any and all lawsuits!!!
>>>
>>>No wonder so many people are having their mail, including registered,
>>>STOLEN by managers at Canada Post!!!
>>>
>>>Ask your government to consider an EMBARGO against Canada Post, until
>>>they stop stealing mail!!!
>>>
>>>Surely the managers in Canada Post are not being paid by the CIA to
>>>steal mail sent to Cuba??

>>>>On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:03:13 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>>Following all the recent news stories about thefts of mail by Canada
>>>>>Post, today (7 August 1998) Canada Post is being sued, in two separate lawsuits!!!
>>>
>>>>>The most damaging one relates to the disappearance of AN ENTIRE SACK
>>>>>OF MAIL consisting of approximately 52 pounds of computer programs,
>>>>>worth more than $4,000.-- in a   PO sealed sack, destined for a
>>>>>foreign government department. (The Education department of the Government of Cuba)
>>>>>The sackful was delivered and sealed on
>>>>>10th June. According to written admissions from Canada Post, it
>>>>>somehow "DISAPPEARED" the same day.Alberta Court Docket #P9890306082.

>>>>> One must wonder whether the CIA have "arranged" to have items for Cuba 
>>>>>stolen by Canada Post managers???
>>>
>>>>>Mind you, the criminals running Canada Post did not bother to advise
>>>>>the victim for one month, until 9th July!! It is now 2 months, Canada
>>>>>Post say they have no idea how the full mail sack disappeared, and
>>>>>they refuse to pay compensation for their thieves!!!
>>>
>>>>>Since normal workers/staff can no longer steal because they are
>>>>>constantly videotaped, one must assume that managers in canada Post
>>>>>are somehow involved in the disappearance.
>>>
>>>>>At the same time, another lawsuit was filed against Canada Post, in
>>>>>connection with a "security registered" item, with $3000.-- worth of
>>>>>stamps sent to a representative of a European government, which
>>>>>"disappeared"  last year!!!Alberta Court Docket# p9890306081.
>>>
>>>>>Victims are now getting together to organise a major international
>>>>>campaign.
>>>
>>>>>If you have had mail "disappear", whether 'lost' or stolen - SUE
>>>>>THEM!!!
>>>
>>>>>Some of the contact names and phone numbers of the big sh*ts 
>>>>>at Canada Post include:
>>>
>>>>>Alfonso Galiano,MP - Minister for Canada Post - 819-997-5421
>>>>>	Jonathan Moser is his gofer - same number
>>>
>>>>>Georges Clermont - President of Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>>>	Sebastian Barnard is his gofer - same number
>>>
>>>>>Stewart Bacon - VP Canada Post - phone 613-734-8440
>>>
>>>>>Also be sure to send copies of your charges to the Deputy Leader of
>>>>>the Opposition in the Canadian Parliament, Deborah Grey, MP.
>>>
>>>>>In addition to the foregoing, notify all media in your area to run
>>>>>this story, together with your complaints.
>>>
>>>>>Further, foreign postal administrations  including USPS are also being
>>>>>contacted. Perhaps they can be convinced, to again place an EMBARGO on
>>>>>mail to and from Canada, until such time as Canada Post can ensure the
>>>>>safety, and reliability of delivery of mail, without it disappearing!!!



>>>On Thu, 09 Jul 1998 05:35:51 GMT, morgan@shamrock.com wrote:
>>>>Will the US now be able to use the payoff to the bankrupt Canadian
>>>>insurance company, Confederation Life, as the legal precedent to make
>>>>Sherritt pay for the theft of the assets of freeport-McMoran??

>>>>>On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:27:39 GMT, oreilly@erinhall.com wrote:

>>>>>>It seems that the payoff to the bankrupt Canuck insurance company, now
>>>>>>sets a legal precedent for Freeport McMoran to collect both from
>>>>>>Sherritt, and the Cuban government in the World Court.

>>>>>>This should create some interesting situations vis a vis the
>>>>>>Canadian/US relations, what???


>>>>>>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:40:12 GMT, oreilly@erinhall.com wrote:

>>>>>>>Cubans, and Canadian taxpayers also, want to know why did Fidel Castro
>>>>>>>give Jean Cretin the C$12 Million, as settlement for Confederation
>>>>>>>Life Insurance??
>>>
>>>>>>>Did Fidel not know that Confederation Life had been BANKRUPT FOR MANY
>>>>>>>YEARS??
>>>
>>>>>>>Who is actually getting the $12 million - crooks in Canada, or in
>>>>>>>Cuba??
>>>
>>>>>>>Do the people at Freeport-McMoran now know about this deal, which will
>>>>>>>now help them when they go to the World Court to collect their
>>>>>>>reparations??
>>>
>>>>>>>After all, if there is a precedent for a Canadian firm, this can then
>>>>>>>be used to collect by a US firm!!!!
>>>
>>>>>>>It seems that the Cubans got swindled by some Canadian crooks????
>>>
>>>>On 8 Jul 1998 14:46:25 GMT, ricardoag@aol.com (Ricardoag) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>Wednesday, July 8, 1998 
>>>
>>>>>Helms won't let Sherritt off the hook 
>>>
>>>>>By PETER MORTON 
>>>>>Washington Bureau Chief The Financial Post 
>>>>> Sherritt International Corp. and other foreign companies now in Cuba are
>>>>>playing a pivotal role in whether a U.S.-European Union deal on investment on
>>>>>the island will be approved by Congress, industry and government sources say. 
>>>>> Senator Jesse Helms, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is
>>>>>demanding Toronto-based Sherritt and other companies already swept up by the
>>>>>Helms-Burton law continue to be punished, sources said yesterday. 
>>>
>>>>> "Sherritt is seen as the poster boy of Helms-Burton and Helms does not want to
>>>>>see Sherritt off the hook," said one industry source close to the U.S.-EU
>>>>>negotiations. 
>>>
>>>>> Helms is worried the deal signed by the U.S. and the EU in May would
>>>>>essentially "immunize" Sherritt and others operating on expropriated property
>>>>>since any new penalties imposed by the U.S. would be only on investment in Cuba
>>>>>since then, the source said. 
>>>
>>>>> "In fact, under the final text of the understanding, a current investor would
>>>>>even retain the right to pass this property to another EU investor who, in
>>>>>turn, could use this stolen property in perpetuity ­ all with the blessing of
>>>>>the U.S. government," Helms and Benjamin Gilman, chairman of the House
>>>>>Committee on International Relations, said in a June 17 letter to Secretary of
>>>>>State Madeline Albright. 
>>>
>>>>> Sherritt is the largest single foreign investor in property in Cuba
>>>>>expropriated by President Fidel Castro in 1959. It is mining nickel on property
>>>>>formerly owned by Freeport-McMoRan Inc. of New Orleans. 
>>>
>>>>> So far, Sherritt is the one of two foreign companies to be swept up in
>>>>>Helms-Burton. Its executives, along with those from an Israeli fruit company,
>>>>>have been barred from entering the U.S. under the Helms-Burton law. No European
>>>>>companies have fallen under Helms-Burton. 
>>>
>>>>> EU Trade Commissioner Sir Leon Brittan said yesterday there is no chance the
>>>>>deal would be re-negotiated to meet Helms's concerns. 
>>>>> "We're not agreeable to modifying the agreement," he said. 
>>>>> The EU is waiting for the U.S. Congress to approve the pact, although Brittan
>>>>>said he did not receive any indication on when legislation would even be
>>>>>presented to Congress. 
>>>
>>>>> The proposed U.S.-EU deal would give President Bill Clinton the right to waive
>>>>>that part of Helms-Burton, called Title III. He has already waived Title IV,
>>>>>the section that would allow U.S. companies and citizens to sue foreign
>>>>>companies for operating on what was once their property in Cuba. There are
>>>>>5,911 U.S.-recognized claims and lawsuits could be expected to reach billions
>>>>>of dollars. 
>>>
>>>>> The agreement would also enable European companies to invest in Iran and Libya
>>>>>if the EU ensured the two countries' terrorism campaigns were not being
>>>>>supported. 
>>>
>>>>> So far, Ottawa has not signed on to the proposed deal, insisting it is still
>>>>>looking into the complex agreement, said Leslie Swartman, a spokeswoman for
>>>>>Trade Minister Sergio Marchi. 
>>>
>>>>> But Canadian government sources said what happens to Sherritt is a key
>>>>>consideration in whether the federal government would go along with the U.S.-EU
>>>>>agreement, try to negotiate a separate deal with the U.S. or simply stay away. 
>>>>> "There is no doubt Sherritt is one consideration," an official said. 
>>>>> The EU agreed not only not to fund any private venture on confiscated property
>>>>>in Cuba nor on confiscated property anywhere in the world, something Helms is
>>>>>looking for, said Robert Muse, a Washington lawyer specializing in Cuba. 
>>>>> "Jesse Helms wants to see such an agreement reached," he said. 
>>>>>       ricardo a. gonzalez              



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On Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:34:20 GMT, loong@rakyat.com wrote:

>If this is true, what are the tax departments in Canada and the US
>doing to send the criminals to prison??

>>On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:58:29 GMT, sbjarnason@eretz.zhid.org wrote:
>>>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:01 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:

>>>>Notice that the gas station employee,according to an interview a week
>>>>ago in local papers, McVay refuses to answer the questions.
>>>>
>>>>Even his masters, the JEWS, must be getting annoyed by now, with all
>>>>the tax fraud investigations in Canada and the USA.
>>>>
>>>>The Victoria synagogue where he used to hide, had to kick him out
>>>>because of the heat from the authorities!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>>>On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:17:57 GMT, nationalist@juno.com (Michael )
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 07 Feb 1998 06:44:38 -0500, Avenger wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> The goyboy token getting paid by the swindlers at NAZIKOR/NIZKOR just
>>>>>>> will not answer the critical questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nothing new here.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems he and his creatures may in fact have been swindling not only
>>>>>>> the IRS in the USA, and Revenue canada Taxation, but also swindling
>>>>>>> the people who made donations, thinking it was a legal charity, which
>>>>>>> it is NOT!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Definitely not a charity.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Questions OyVey Won't Answer!!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are the answers to all the questions, which Nazikor/NIZKOR refuses to
>>>>>>> answer??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it really an international tax fraud?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What have the I.R.S. to say??
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Over the past few months, there have been a set of questions, which
>>>>>>> OyVey and his minions have refused to answer.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Perhaps the officials at the I.R.S. Financial Crimes Enforcement Branch,
>>>>>>> who can be reached at:
>>>>>>>         http://www.ustreas.gov/mail/fincen.html
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> will be interested in receiving complaints regarding NIZKOR and OyVey.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also, Revenue Canada Taxation can be reached with similar complaints at:
>>>>>>>         webmaster@rc.gc.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> >The text relating to Questions OyVey Won't Answer is:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Date: Thu. 23 Jan 1997  00:14:06 GMT
>>>>>>> >From: Doctor detroit (Adjust@chiropractor.com)
>>>>>>> >Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
>>>>>>> >Subject: to repeat the questions
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       Since this appears to be a tradition in a.r let us continue it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       1)      What exactly is the political origin of the initials OBC?
>>>>>
>>>>>Order of the British Crown. In McGoy's case it is the Order of British Columbia.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       2)      What did Ken McVay do to receive the approval to use the
>>>>>>> >               letters?
>>>>>
>>>>>Being a politically correct gopher for Bnai Brith and promoting the Holocaust(tm)
>>>>>Terrorist Campaign. Further they maintain spy/smear files on people who question
>>>>>certain myths about the Holocaust(tm) for possible prosecution of citizens who travel
>>>>>to Europe. They undoubtably provide information to Mossad.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       3)      What is the tax number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       4)      What is the physical address of Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably written on McGoy's forehead. Hard to tell since he has his nose up Bnai
>>>>>Brith's butt.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems that temple Emanuel in Victoria, Canada could no longer stand the stench
>>>>>>> of the shabbas-goy Oyvay
>>>>>
>>>>>McGoy dropped them for greener pastures.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       5)      What is the phone number of Nizkor?
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       6)      Where can one find the organisational papers for Nizkor?
>>>>>
>>>>>For the US they should be filed in the State of Texas under the San Antonio Area
>>>>>Foundation. This is the front-end shell organization for Nizkookland in the US.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >       7)      What is the evidence offered that Nizkor is authorised to
>>>>>>> >               solicit tax free contributions?
>>>>> 
>>>>>Unknown. Except they claim that if someone "contributes" more than $10 that Bnai
>>>>>Brith will give them a receipt for tax purposes. They do not specify if this is US or
>>>>>Canadian dollars. 
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >In view of the refusal by OyVey and Nizkor to answer the critical
>>>>>>> >questions in #3, #4,#6, and especially #7, one must wonder.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Is NIZKOR JUST A HUGE TAX FRAUD, with the proceeds lining the pockets of
>>>>>>> >OyVey???
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a reasonable assumption.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Try to get answers from the tax authorities, both in the USA and Canada.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 00:41:49 GMT, in alt.revisionism dleonik@accesscomm.net
>>>>>>> (Dan Leonik) wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Check this out!
>>>>>
>>>>>Read this. This was after Ken McGoy denied a connection with any other Jewish
>>>>>organization. I know I posted it. Also if you want me to repost Ken's "Big Lie"
>>>>>letter just ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor Funding
>>>>>>> >URL: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/funding.html
>>>>>>> >Summary: Please make your donations payable to League for Human Rights
>>>>>>> >of B'nai Brith Canada ...with the cheque's memo including "Nizkor
>>>>>>> >Project". ). In the United States, donations in support of the Project
>>>>>>> >should be made payable to San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund
>>>>>>> >and should be mailed to San Antonio Area Foundation.
>>>>>>> >Excite Search---Search: "nizkor"
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >"From B'nai Brith's 1996 'Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents':
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  The League is working closely
>>>>>>> >with Ken McVay's Nizkor Project (http://www.nizkor.org) through the
>>>>>>> >"Holocaust and Hope" program. The League and Nizkor have prepared a
>>>>>>> >workbook entitled Hate and the Internet: Selected Readings to assist
>>>>>>> >in workshops on assist in workshops on this topic.  The creation of a
>>>>>>> >B'nai web site (http://www.bnaibrith.ca) facilitates the dissemination
>>>>>>> >of information to counter hate and also provides a means of reporting
>>>>>>> >incidents directly to the National Office."
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting. This after the Liar McGoy had denied any connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >There can be no doubt that the Nizkor WHORES are in the business to
>>>>>>> >promote Jewish interests. 
>>>>>
>>>>>That is putting it "lightly".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >If any of them are White Americans then they
>>>>>>> >are paid agents of a foreign government accepting money to undermine
>>>>>>> >American values of honesty and truth in reporting the facts of WWII.
>>>>>
>>>>>Their MO is described in former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky's book "By Way of
>>>>>Deception". Read it. It should pretty much remove any doubts you might have of what
>>>>>the Nizkooks are up to.
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >The Hoax of the Century, even if real, has nothing to do with America,
>>>>>>> >nor should we feel obligated to compensate Jews with 'loan' grants or
>>>>>>> >even give them one second of our time watching their stupid hoax
>>>>>>> >dramatizations.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >Nizkor and Hollywood are both just two tentacles grasping and clawing
>>>>>>> >their way into White America's good nature and generousity.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> >NO MORE!  The Jews should pay back the $77 billion dollars plus
>>>>>>> >interest immediately, and the Nizkor abomination should be shut down
>>>>>>> >and the nonJewish elements tried for high treason.
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> >You too can be apart of this great reckoning.
>>>>
>>>>>nationalist@juno.com
>>>>>"http://www.natall.com"
>>>>>"http://www.natvan.com"
>>>>>
>>>>>National Vanguard Books
>>>>>P.O. Box 330
>>>>>Hillsboro, WV   24946
>>>>>
>>>>>"No man has come to true greatness who has not felt
>>>>>in some degree that his life belongs to his race."
>>>>>
>>>>>                                ----Phillips Brooks
>>>>>
>>>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>Get the text of American Dissident Voices broadcasts by e-mail! 
>>>>>
>>>>>Subscribe to our mailing list by sending an e-mail message to:
>>>>>ADVlist@ListServe.com which contains the 
>>>>>word _subscribe_ as the subject of your message.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may also get them from our FTP site at: ftp://natvan.com 
>>>sven88



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On Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:13:23 GMT, bismarck88@antizhid.org wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:01:23 GMT, sbjarnasson@zhid.orgy wrote:

>>>>Is this part of the retaliation of Cuba, for being swindled out of $12
>>>>millions regarding Confed Life, plus the theft by Canada Post Managers
>>>>of a sack full of computer programs??

>>>>On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 16:09:50 -0800, Peter Aspinall
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>yara4609@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>>>>>  http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/

>>>>>> November 13, 1998

>>>>>> Mystery shrouds slain DND worker
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Body unidentified in Cuban morgue for 7 months
>>>>>> By BRAD HUNTER -- Ottawa Sun
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  A Department of National Defence employee was gunned down in Cuba months
>>>>>> ago, but his body was only identified this week.
>
>In view of the fact that Canada supplies Canadian passports to the
>MOSSAD for their murderers, one must wonder whether the so-called
>Canadian Defence staffer was really working for Canada, the CIA, or
>Israeli Mossad.
>
>In other words, just another dead spy, who got caught??

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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:40:16 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:

>25,700 Polish soldiers were murdered at KATYN by the JEW-led KGB
>Soviets, not 3,000 which the Jew apologists claim.

>They were murdered at a time when the Soviets were supposed allies of
>the anti-Germans.

>Why should you trust JEWS, and their interference in Polish affairs at
>Oswiecim?

>On 29 Oct 1998 00:26:43 GMT, ru8xx@aol.com (RU8xx) wrote:
>
>>Igal wrote:

>>>Recently, I have found in one book about Stalin’s time, that in Katin' were
>>>killed about 3000 polish solders and officers. As I remember German killed
>>>only in 1940 not less then 40 000 polish captured solders in death camps.
>>>Ratio is 1:10 (or more). If considering information is true, why Katin' is
>>>important for W.W.II? 3000 solders and officers is not significant number for
>>>W.W.II.
>>>
>>>Look like somebody try to flame anti-Russian propaganda for own political
>>>purposes.
>>>
>>>If I am wrong - please explain me reasonable.
>>
>>Igal,
>>I think you are wrong.
>>Find simply the basic information on the internet.
>>The first one I've find / http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1791/:
>>
>>"Katyn Forest is a wooded area near Gneizdovo village, a short distance from
>>Smolensk in Russia where, in early 1940, the NKVD, on Stalin's orders shot and
>>buried over 4000 Polish service personnel that had been taken prisoner when the
>>Soviet Union invaded Poland in September 1939 in support of the Nazis. 
>>
>>In 1943 the Nazis exhumed the Polish dead and blamed the Soviets. In 1944,
>>having retaken the Katyn area from the Nazis, the Soviets exhumed the Polish
>>dead again and blamed the Nazis. The rest of the world took its usual sides in
>>such arguments. 
>>
>>In 1989, with the collapse of Soviet Power, Premier Gorbachev finally admitted
>>that the Soviet NKVD had executed the Poles, and confirmed two other burial
>>sites similar to the site at Katyn. Stalin's order of March 1940 to execute by
>>shooting some 25,700 Poles, including those found at the three sites, was also
>>disclosed with the collapse of Soviet Power. This particular slaughter of Poles
>>is often referred to as the "Katyn Massacre". 
        
>>            Pawel Jedrzejewski           RU8xx@aol.com



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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:46:24 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:00:16 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:28:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:37 GMT, NSWPP  wrote:

>>>>LARGEST Social Security Fraud in London's History

>>>>DAILY MAIL
>>>>Monday June 15 1998
>>>>By DAVID WILLIAMS and PETER ALLEN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Revealed: The men accused in 
>>>>31.8 million State Benefit Racket
>>>>
>>>>THESE are the men being investigated by fraud-busters 
>>>>over an alleged 1.8 million benefits racket. The case was 
>>>>highlighted last month by Welfare Reform Minister Frank 
>>>>Field as part of a crack-down launched by Labour aimed at 
>>>>slashing the £36 billion annual cost of welfare fraud.
>>>>
>>>>At the time, no one was named. But the Daily Mail has 
>>>>since tracked down the men at the heart of one of the biggest 
>>>>ever alleged welfare frauds.
>>>>
>>>>They are Soloman Kritzler, 39, and Alexander Eichenstein, 38, 
>>>>who are suspected of masterminding the racket from their 
>>>>sprawling homes in a North London suburb.
>>>>
>>>>Detectives have questioned the men and four other members of 
>>>>what Mr Field described as 'an extended family' about 
>>>>allegations of illegally claiming up to £3,600,000 in housing 
>>>>benefit and income support. They have also been quizzed 
>>>>by officers from a special undercover task force set up by 
>>>>the Department of Social Security (DSS) about a mortgage 
>>>>fraud worth £31.2 million.
>>>>
>>>>The investigators are said to be checking on any links with 
>>>>massive welfare rackets in the United States, where members 
>>>>of the family, it has been reported, are alleged to have used 
>>>>fake identities to make bogus benefit claims.
>>>>
>>>>Both men hold trusted positions at the centre of the 
>>>>ultra-Orthodox community of Hasidic Jews in Stamford Hill, 
>>>>North London, where details of the unprecedented investigation 
>>>>has caused consider-able anger.
>>>>
>>>>At the home he shares with his wife Esther and their daughter, 
>>>>Kritzler protested his innocence and said he would fight 
>>>>to clear his name.
>>>>
>>>>'This investigation is without foundation and is a complete 
>>>>waste of taxpayers' money,' he insisted. 'All of our finances 
>>>>are in good order. There has been no fraud.
>>>>
>>>>'It may well be that we are the victims of anti-semitism. 
>>>>This seems to be an attack on the law-abiding, decent 
>>>>community which we have here. We just want to be able to 
>>>>get on with our lives in peace.
>>>>
>>>>'When we were arrested, a very sick woman was put in a 
>>>>police cell for a night. She was terribly distressed. 
>>>>This should not have been allowed to happen.'
>>>>
>>>>Eichenstein was less forthcoming and when approached 
>>>>at his family home, his wife Rivka said: 'He has no 
>>>>comment to make.' Eichenstein lists his official home 
>>>>as a rundown flat some three streets from the spacious home 
>>>>where his wife and children live.
>>>>
>>>>Partners at the North London chartered accountancy firm 
>>>>which acts as the registered office for the majority of 
>>>>the men's companies con-firmed that they had been contacted 
>>>>by detectives, and that fraud experts were preparing 
>>>>to examine their records.
>>>>
>>>>Fraud investigators are focusing their inquiries on a 
>>>>network of companies and properties associated 
>>>>with the family.
>>>>
>>>>All of the properties linked to Kritzler and Eichenstein 
>>>>are within a stone's throw of each other on the Stamford 
>>>>Hill/Stoke Newington borders. One firm, Acemark Properties 
>>>>Ltd. is listed at Eichenstein's home.
>>>>
>>>>Kritzler has been director of London-based Empire properties 
>>>>since January and Amvex Investments since 1992.
>>>>
>>>>The streets of Stamford Hill are an unlikely setting for a 
>>>>major investigation of this kind. The area enjoys a feeling 
>>>>of neighbourly trust long lost in the crime-ridden districts nearby.
>>>>
>>>>Police activity is all but non-existent - patrol cars are 
>>>>already overstretched by the criminal activity related 
>>>>to the numerous drug dealers and prostitutes in the 
>>>>southern sector of the Stoke Newington police beat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Both men, together with three women and another man to 
>>>>whom they are related are currently on bail and have to 
>>>>return to Stoke Newington police station at the 
>>>>end of this month.
>>>>
>>>>The arrest of the suspects -following simultaneous raids 
>>>>on four houses in April - is seen by Mr Field as the first 
>>>>of a series of high profile swoops by the new DSS team.
>>>>
>>>>Ministers have decided that they want to 'name and shame' 
>>>>convicted benefit cheats in an attempt to foster a 
>>>>'revival of common decencies'.
>>>>
>>>>The pilot DSS task force was set up to target organised 
>>>>housing benefit rackets in London - an initiative which 
>>>>the Government now plans to extend right across the country.
>>>>
>>>>The team discovered that professional crooks were exploiting 
>>>>loopholes in welfare security to set up fictitious 
>>>>identities and make bogus claims for a wide range of 
>>>>benefit allowances in various parts of London and 
>>>>other cities in Britain.
>>>>
>>>>Mr Field is determined to crack down on an area of crime 
>>>>bleeding tens of millions of pounds each week.
>>>>
>>>>The Minister said: 'We are going for the big boys, while 
>>>>at the same time recognising that we have to bring in much 
>>>>tighter controls on what is the single biggest budget in 
>>>>Britain today.'
>>>>
>>>>He has admitted that the annual benefits bill of nearly £31 
>>>>billion remains wide open to fraud and corruption despite 
>>>>repeated attempts by Whitehall to crack down on the swindlers.
>>>>
>>>>--------------------------------------
>>>>



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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:46:24 GMT, sbjarnasson88@nazikor.zhid.orgy
wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:00:16 GMT, oyvaykenSOB@zhid.org wrote:
>>On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 06:28:05 GMT, bjarnasson@zhid.org wrote:
>>>On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:53:37 GMT, NSWPP  wrote:

>>>>LARGEST Social Security Fraud in London's History

>>>>DAILY MAIL
>>>>Monday June 15 1998
>>>>By DAVID WILLIAMS and PETER ALLEN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Revealed: The men accused in 
>>>>31.8 million State Benefit Racket
>>>>
>>>>THESE are the men being investigated by fraud-busters 
>>>>over an alleged 1.8 million benefits racket. The case was 
>>>>highlighted last month by Welfare Reform Minister Frank 
>>>>Field as part of a crack-down launched by Labour aimed at 
>>>>slashing the £36 billion annual cost of welfare fraud.
>>>>
>>>>At the time, no one was named. But the Daily Mail has 
>>>>since tracked down the men at the heart of one of the biggest 
>>>>ever alleged welfare frauds.
>>>>
>>>>They are Soloman Kritzler, 39, and Alexander Eichenstein, 38, 
>>>>who are suspected of masterminding the racket from their 
>>>>sprawling homes in a North London suburb.
>>>>
>>>>Detectives have questioned the men and four other members of 
>>>>what Mr Field described as 'an extended family' about 
>>>>allegations of illegally claiming up to £3,600,000 in housing 
>>>>benefit and income support. They have also been quizzed 
>>>>by officers from a special undercover task force set up by 
>>>>the Department of Social Security (DSS) about a mortgage 
>>>>fraud worth £31.2 million.
>>>>
>>>>The investigators are said to be checking on any links with 
>>>>massive welfare rackets in the United States, where members 
>>>>of the family, it has been reported, are alleged to have used 
>>>>fake identities to make bogus benefit claims.
>>>>
>>>>Both men hold trusted positions at the centre of the 
>>>>ultra-Orthodox community of Hasidic Jews in Stamford Hill, 
>>>>North London, where details of the unprecedented investigation 
>>>>has caused consider-able anger.
>>>>
>>>>At the home he shares with his wife Esther and their daughter, 
>>>>Kritzler protested his innocence and said he would fight 
>>>>to clear his name.
>>>>
>>>>'This investigation is without foundation and is a complete 
>>>>waste of taxpayers' money,' he insisted. 'All of our finances 
>>>>are in good order. There has been no fraud.
>>>>
>>>>'It may well be that we are the victims of anti-semitism. 
>>>>This seems to be an attack on the law-abiding, decent 
>>>>community which we have here. We just want to be able to 
>>>>get on with our lives in peace.
>>>>
>>>>'When we were arrested, a very sick woman was put in a 
>>>>police cell for a night. She was terribly distressed. 
>>>>This should not have been allowed to happen.'
>>>>
>>>>Eichenstein was less forthcoming and when approached 
>>>>at his family home, his wife Rivka said: 'He has no 
>>>>comment to make.' Eichenstein lists his official home 
>>>>as a rundown flat some three streets from the spacious home 
>>>>where his wife and children live.
>>>>
>>>>Partners at the North London chartered accountancy firm 
>>>>which acts as the registered office for the majority of 
>>>>the men's companies con-firmed that they had been contacted 
>>>>by detectives, and that fraud experts were preparing 
>>>>to examine their records.
>>>>
>>>>Fraud investigators are focusing their inquiries on a 
>>>>network of companies and properties associated 
>>>>with the family.
>>>>
>>>>All of the properties linked to Kritzler and Eichenstein 
>>>>are within a stone's throw of each other on the Stamford 
>>>>Hill/Stoke Newington borders. One firm, Acemark Properties 
>>>>Ltd. is listed at Eichenstein's home.
>>>>
>>>>Kritzler has been director of London-based Empire properties 
>>>>since January and Amvex Investments since 1992.
>>>>
>>>>The streets of Stamford Hill are an unlikely setting for a 
>>>>major investigation of this kind. The area enjoys a feeling 
>>>>of neighbourly trust long lost in the crime-ridden districts nearby.
>>>>
>>>>Police activity is all but non-existent - patrol cars are 
>>>>already overstretched by the criminal activity related 
>>>>to the numerous drug dealers and prostitutes in the 
>>>>southern sector of the Stoke Newington police beat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Both men, together with three women and another man to 
>>>>whom they are related are currently on bail and have to 
>>>>return to Stoke Newington police station at the 
>>>>end of this month.
>>>>
>>>>The arrest of the suspects -following simultaneous raids 
>>>>on four houses in April - is seen by Mr Field as the first 
>>>>of a series of high profile swoops by the new DSS team.
>>>>
>>>>Ministers have decided that they want to 'name and shame' 
>>>>convicted benefit cheats in an attempt to foster a 
>>>>'revival of common decencies'.
>>>>
>>>>The pilot DSS task force was set up to target organised 
>>>>housing benefit rackets in London - an initiative which 
>>>>the Government now plans to extend right across the country.
>>>>
>>>>The team discovered that professional crooks were exploiting 
>>>>loopholes in welfare security to set up fictitious 
>>>>identities and make bogus claims for a wide range of 
>>>>benefit allowances in various parts of London and 
>>>>other cities in Britain.
>>>>
>>>>Mr Field is determined to crack down on an area of crime 
>>>>bleeding tens of millions of pounds each week.
>>>>
>>>>The Minister said: 'We are going for the big boys, while 
>>>>at the same time recognising that we have to bring in much 
>>>>tighter controls on what is the single biggest budget in 
>>>>Britain today.'
>>>>
>>>>He has admitted that the annual benefits bill of nearly £31 
>>>>billion remains wide open to fraud and corruption despite 
>>>>repeated attempts by Whitehall to crack down on the swindlers.
>>>>
>>>>--------------------------------------
>>>>



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On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:01:41 GMT, koyvay@nazikor.orgy wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:38:00 GMT, fournier@no.spam.com wrote:
>>Came across the article in deja News, so thought it should be
>>reconsidered by thinking readers.
>>>Reply-To: kenmcvay@nazikor.org

>>>Subject: Jews Dominated Bolshevism - Don't Deny It
>>>From: ipm@usaor.net (Roger Hughes)
>>>Date: 22 Jul 1997 12:32:44 GMT
>>>Organization: Anti-Hypocrisy Foundation

>>>Patriot Fact Sheet : The Jews and Bolshevism 
	
>>>	One of the most hushed-up facts concerning the so-called "Russian
>>>Revolution" of 1917 is that Jews constituted the overwhelming majority
>>>of the Bolshevik leadership. While the Jews, and those sympathetic to
>>>them, continue to condemn anyone as "anti-Semitic" who brings up these
>>>facts, it remains undeniable that communism was both a Jewish created
>>>and lead revolutionary movement.
>>
>>>	First, it is a well known fact that the father of communism, Karl Marx,
>>>was a Jew and descended from long list of rabbis on his father's side.
>>>Whether he was a "religous" Jew is of no significant importance, since
>>>Jewishness is not defined exclusively by adherance to Judaism. A great
>>>bulk of Jews today would probably identify themselves as atheists, but
>>>also nonetheless consider themselves Jews. 
>>
>>>	While some persons, who deny Jewish involvement in communism, will
>>>concede that Marx was indeed Jewish, let's see the them deny the
>>>communist-Jewish connection as clearly exposed in diplomatic cables that
>>>passed between American representatives in Russia and Washington D.C.
>>>during the time of the Bolshevik take-over of Russia. The following
>>>quotes are taken directly from documents available from the U.S.
>>>Archives:         
>>        
>>>State Department document 861.00/1757 sent May 2, 1918 by U.S. consul
>>>general in Moscow, Summers: "Jews prominant in local Soviet government,
>>>anti-Jewish feeling growing among population...."         
>>         
>>>State Department document 861.00/2205 was sent from Vladivostok on July
>>>5, 1918 by U.S. consul Caldwell: "Fifty percent of Soviet government in
>>>each town consists of Jews of the worst type."        
>>
>>>>From the Headquarters of the American Expeditionary Forces, Siberia on
>>>March 1, 1919, comes this telegram from Omsk by Chief of Staff, Capt.
>>>Montgomey Shuyler: "It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the
>>>United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since it's
>>>beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type." 
>>       
>>         
>>>A second Schuyler telegram, dated June 9, 1919 from Vladivostok, reports
>>>on the make-up of the presiding Soviet government: "...(T)here were 384
>>>`commissars' including 2 negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22
>>>Armenians, AND MORE THAN 300 JEWS. Of the latter number, 264 had come to
>>>Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial
>>>Government."         
>>
>>>With the notable exception of Lenin (Vladimir Ulyanov), most of the
>>>leading Communists who took control of Russia in 1917-20 were Jews.
>>>(Lenin has since been discovered by a former Soviet general, who had
>>>access to the KGB archives, that Lenin was at least 25% Jewish!) Leon
>>>Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) headed the Red Army and, for a time, was chief
>>>of Soviet foreign affairs. Yakov Sverdlov (Solomon) was both the
>>>Bolshevik party's executive secretary and - as chairman of the Central
>>>Executive Committee - head of the Soviet government. Grigori Zinoviev
>>>(Radomyslsky) headed the Communist International (Comintern), the
>>>central agency for spreading revolution in foreign countries. Other
>>>prominent Jews included press commissar Karl Radek (Sobelsohn), foreign
>>>affairs commissar Maxim Litvinov (Wallach), Lev Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and
>>>Moisei Uritsky. 
>>
>>>David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a
>>>January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most
>>>of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little
>>>for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are
>>>trying to start a worldwide social revolution." 
>>
>>>The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, confirmed this:
>>>"Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to
>>>spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is
>>>organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one
>>>object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." 
>>
>>>In case anyone thinks I've taken a few selected quotes out-of-context,
>>>here's three paragraphs from Dr. George A. Simons, a former
>>>superintendent of the Methodist Missions in Russia, Bolshevik Propaganda
>>>Hearing Before the Sub-Committee of the Committee on the Judiciary,
>>>United States Senate, 65th Congress: 
>>
>>>"We were told that hundreds of agitators had followed in the trail of
>>>Trotsky (Bronstein) these men having come over from the lower east side
>>>of New York. Some of them when they learned that I was the American
>>>Pastor in Petrograd, stepped up to me and seemed very much pleased that
>>>there was somebody who could speak English, and their broken English
>>>showed that they had not qualified as being Americas. A number of these
>>>men called on me and were impressed with the strange Yiddish element in
>>>this thing right from the beginning, and it soon became evident that
>>>more than half the agitators in the socalled Bolshevik movement were
>>>Jews...I have a firm conviction that this thing is Yiddish, and that one
>>>of its bases is found in the east side of New York...The latest
>>>startling information, given me by someone with good authority,
>>>startling information, is this, that in December, 1918, in the northern
>>>community of Petrograd that is what they call the section of the Soviet
>>>regime under the Presidency of the man known as Apfelbaum (Zinovieff)
>>>out of 388 members, only 16 happened to be real Russians, with the
>>>exception of one man, a Negro from America who calls himself Professor
>>>Gordon. 
>>
>>>I was impressed with this, Senator, that shortly after the great
>>>revolution of the winter of 1917, there were scores of Jews standing on
>>>the benches and soap boxes, talking until their mouths frothed, and I
>>>often remarked to my sister, 'Well, what are we coming to anyway. This
>>>all looks so Yiddish.' Up to that time we had see very few Jews, because
>>>there was, as you know, a restriction against having Jews in Petrograd,
>>>but after the revolution they swarmed in there and most of the agitators
>>>were Jews. 
>>
>>>I might mention this, that when the Bolshevik came into power all over
>>>Petrograd, we at once had a predominance of Yiddish proclamations, big
>>>posters and everything in Yiddish. It became very evident that now that
>>>was to be one of the great languages of Russia; and the real Russians
>>>did not take kindly to it." 
>>
>>>Some might automatically assume that the preceeding sources are
>>>"anti-Semitic" and therefore unreliable, but they'd be wrong. Here's a
>>>few Jewish sources that essentially substantiate the previous ones:
>>
>>>"The Bolshevik revolution in Russia was the work of Jewish brains, of
>>>Jewish dissatisfaction, of Jewish planning, whose goal is to create a
>>>new order in the world. What was performed in so excellent a way in
>>>Russia, thanks to Jewish brains, and because of Jewish dissatisfaction
>>>and by Jewish planning, shall also, through the same Jewish mental an
>>>physical forces, become a reality all over the world." (The American
>>>Hebrew, September 10, 1920) 
>>
>>>"There is much in the fact of Bolshevism itself, in the fact that so
>>>many Jews are Bolshevists. The ideals of Bolshevism are consonant with
>>>many of the highest ideals of Judaism." (Jewish Chronicle, London April,
>>>4, 1919) 
>>	
>>>"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi
>>>S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
>>
>>>"In the Bolshevik era, 52 percent of the membership of the Soviet
>>>communist party was Jewish, though Jews comprised only 1.8 percent of
>>>the total population." (Stuart Kahan, The Wolf of the Kremlin, p. 81) 
>>
>>>Interestinly, one of the first acts by the Bolsheviks was to make
>>>so-called "anti-Semitism" a capital crime. This is confirmed by Stalin
>>>himself:
>>
>>>"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs
>>>characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an
>>>extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of
>>>cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death
>>>penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).
>>
>>>While Christian churches across Russia were being destroyed and
>>>clergymen murdered by Communist gangs, synogoges and rabbis were left
>>>virtually untouched.
>>
>>>It was during this time that Bolshevik Commissars (many of them Jews)
>>>conducted a horrendous reign of terror against the non-Jewish Russian
>>>population. In one case alone, they deliberately starved to death 20
>>>million Ukranian farmers during the 1920's in one of the most vile
>>>campaigns in history: In (the) Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent
>>>of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an
>>>American professor of Russian history. . . "  
>>
>>>Some modern historians estimate that upwards of 85 million persons were
>>>murdered in the 70 years of communist rule in Russia, many of them
>>>directly at the hands of Jews, and even more at the order of Jewish
>>>Communist bosses.
>> 
>>>Regards,
>>>Roger Hughes
>>
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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