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From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May  2 04:48:02 PDT 1996
Article: 75950 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general,ab.general,ont.general,nb.general,tor.general,van.general
Subject: Is Canada Run just for Faggots?
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 12:02:41 +0700
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The disgusting spectacle of the Parliament of Canada forcing decent 
people to support faggots and lesbians,who spread AIDS and are 
perverts,is beyond belief.

Does the communist Liberal Party wish to go into oblivion,come the next 
election,or do they feel that enough porkers and perverts will support 
them?

If you feel that special rights for perverts and faggots is wrong,then 
support the AFL - Anti Faggot League,which started advertising last week.

Also,support MP who oppose special rights for faggots.Don't forget,if 
this passes,your life insurance and medical insurance will SKYROCKET, to 
pay for suicidal lifestyle of these verminous perverts.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May  2 09:20:14 PDT 1996
Article: 34240 of alt.revisionism
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: New Jewish Propaganda Website
Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 07:02:40 +0700
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The new Jewish propaganda website is at:
http://www.jewishpost.com/jewishpost/holocaust/

Baconlovers invited,naturally.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May  4 12:06:35 PDT 1996
Article: 34707 of alt.revisionism
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,van.general,alt.revisionism
Subject: ARE FAGGOTS REALLY HUMAN?
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Normal human beings exist,under natural law, for the procreation of the 
species.That is why there are two normal,human sexes - male and female,so 
that normal humans can procreate,and thereby improve the species.

Are faggots really human is a valid question.Of what use to normal 
humanity are these perverts,whose sole use seems to be the spread of 
their deviancy,and the spread of AIDS to normal humans,worldwide.

Don't forget it was a Canadian faggot working with Air Canada who spread 
AIDS,deliberately,worldwide,with the connivance of the Canadian 
government.

Because of the faggots spreading AIDS,all normal people must now pay 
higher premiums for health and life insurance.

Are faggots really the "missing link" between animals and homo sapiens?

I strongly urge sensible normal humans to support only those MP's who 
believe in the traditional family values.

Wonder why Manning is changing the philosophies of the Reform 
Party?Notice that these changes started after he met secretly in Toronto 
with executives of eastern banks?Hmmm........


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Mon May  6 12:19:17 PDT 1996
Article: 76194 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general,ab.general,ont.general,nb.general,tor.general,van.general
Subject: Re: Is Canada Run just for Faggots?
Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 11:53:19 +0700
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ron wrote:
> 
> VENGENCE  wrote:
> 
> >Only by supporting gay community and more awareness can we hope to rid
> >ourselves of the terrible AIDS disease.
> 
> People like the originator of this article don't want to get rid of
> AIDS, they want to get rid of homosexuals.  But, since that task is
> way beyond their means, they need AIDS to scapegoat and demonize gay
> people.  Hatred is a much worse disease that kills many more people
> than all the diseases in the world put together.
> 
> 
> --
> Ron Ingelevics       What's more important than love?
> Toronto, Ontario
> lovebite@io.orgRon asks,what is more important?

How about personal life and health of my family,friends,and NORMAL humans 
everywhere?

How about property rights,including less taxation from having NOT to pay 
for the lifestyles and healthcare costs of perverts?

AIDS is deliberately spread by faggots,and I suggest you read the 
documentary, "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON". It details how AIDS was 
deliberately spread worldwide by the faggot with Air Canada,with the 
connivance of the Canadian government.

Now,all of us must pay higher premiums for healthcare and life 
insurance,until every faggot dies I guess.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Mon May  6 12:19:18 PDT 1996
Article: 76287 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general,tor.general,ab.general,van.general,mtl.general,ott.general,edm.general
Subject: Support AFL - ANTI FAGGOT LEAGUE
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If you feel that faggots should not get special rights at the expense of 
your dollars and those of all normal humans, then join AFL - ANTI-FAGGOT 
LEAGUE.

Further information from dan67@ix.netcom.com.

Mother Nature seems to have introduced AIDS as her move to get rid of 
these perverts.Perhaps AFL will help in the political arena.

If you believe in traditional family values,you should also support AFL.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 10 13:47:46 PDT 1996
Article: 76703 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: FIRE FAGGOTS-CLOSE DOWN BUSINESSES
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:05:45 +0700
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Like many other normal business owners,we will never hire faggots.

Further,sooner than be forced to have anything to do with such 
perverts,we will be shortly closing down all our operations in 
faggot-loving Canada.We will be joining the exodus of many tens of 
thousands of jobs,creating even more massive unemployment.

These many tens of thousands of jobs will be relocated,thanks to NAFTA,in 
anti-faggot locations such as Wisconsin,Montana,Idaho or even Mexico.

What will all the faggots and fdaggot lovers then be doing for 
employment?Who will be paying increased taxes for the astronomical jump 
in welfare recipients?Guess who - you,all the stupid faggot lovers!!!

I guess the real reason Herr Stein/Rock wants to deny normal people the 
right to own firearms,is because he knows how REAL HUMANS will react to 
enforcing perverts on normal people.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May 11 07:56:25 PDT 1996
Article: 36007 of alt.revisionism
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
Subject: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 17:59:11 +0700
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In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration 
Department is now allowing faggots from Poland,especially if they have 
AIDS, into Canada as refugees.

These perverts claim refugee status since the Polish government doesn't 
recognise them as legitimate refugees,merely as deviants.

By admitting them into Canada,all normal people,who pay taxes are 
subsidising the perverted lifestyle of these good for nothings,at a cost 
rumored to be in excess of $50,000 per year,until they die.The costs of 
their medical care is not included in these figures.

Why should Canada be a dumping ground for the garbage of humanity,at 
taxpayer expense,when they are not legitimate refugees?

Is there a correlation between these,and the indecent haste with which 
the Cretinous government wants all Canadians to pay for all the faggots 
in Canada?

It is obvious that "traditional family values" have no longer any meaning 
to either the Liberals,or the rotten Reform Party in Canada under Presto 
Manning.

Perhaps it is now time for the National Citizens Coalition, to make 
itself heard,as the right thinking political alternative for Canada!!!


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 12:11:54 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 03:53:08 +0700
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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <8MAY199621280066@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
> Daniel Mittleman  wrote:
> >In article <31907E7F.5E3E@compustupid.ab.ca>, William Grosstroll
>  spews...
> >>In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration
> bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda and on and on and on and on.
> >>
> >
> >    I wonder what the normal people of Canada think about having Grosvenor
> >    in their midst?  {shudder}
> >
> >                         daniel david mittleman
> 
>===========================================================================
> >                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
> 
> Personally, I shudder to think he is allowed to stay in this country, and
> especially in this province. Too bad there wasn't some way to have him
> shipped to Antartica or some such place where he wouldn't be such a
> bother to us normal decent people. We don't need paranoied nazis like him
> here. I'd like it if he'd get lost and permanently! And to think his
> crappy hate posts are costing the net thousands of dollars. What a waste
> of technology and money. What a waste of a little man he is.Sounds like some jew and faggot lover just doesn't appreciate criticism 
of deviates,and other vermin.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 12:11:55 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
Subject: FAGGOTS SPREAD AIDS-WHY PROTECT THEM?
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Dr.Grant Hill,MP, is completely correct in stating that faggots spread 
disease.

He is far too polite,since I am sure he also has read the acclaimed 
documentary book "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON",which also became a movie, 
which details how AIDS was spread worldwide,deliberately,by the faggot 
with Air Canada.This was even supported by the government of Canada.

Now,normal people all over the world must pay for these perverts and the 
astronomic costs for their medical care until they get cremated.

I feel that they should NOT GET SPECIAL RIGHTS,even if the faggot loving 
Canadian government wants to give them.

Is there any real use for disease spreading faggots?

In the old days faggots were burned,so is this practical now?



From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 12:11:56 PDT 1996
Article: 37083 of alt.revisionism
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.islam,alt.revisionism,alt.religion.christian,soc.culture.israel
Subject: Re: The Anti-Zionist Journal...
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g@orausa.com wrote:
> 
> The, Anti-Sionist, Journal wrote:
> >
> >                 The Anti-Zionist Journal
>  A journal which you cannot miss! Available freely on request from:
> >
> >         Mr. Alfred Olsen
> >         P.O.Box 2833
> >         Toyen
> >         0608 - Oslo
> >         Norway
> 
> Of course, It's the same country that gave us the "Peace Process" and
> awarded Yassir the Nobel Prize.
> 
> The Journal is not "anti Zionist" it's anti-Jewish and anti humen.Does this mean that you believe that a Zionist is NOT human?

You may even be right,since here in communist Canada we have the Jew 
Morgentaler leading the murder of babies as the #1 abortionist,then we 
have Bnai Brith and the Jew senator Ghitter lining up with faggots,to 
destroy the traditional family.

I guess you may be right after all.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 12:11:56 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,tor.general,calgary.general,van.general
Subject: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:23:27 +0700
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Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the 
faggots and lesbians.

The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the 
perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional 
family.

First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews 
want to destroy the family.

One must ask, WHY?


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 12:11:57 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
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acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
 
 In Alberta Canada Senator Ghitter,together with Bnai Brith and other
 jewish groups are openly supporting special rights for faggots and for
 more powers for the socalled human rights commission.

 These same groups campaign against citizens having either property
 rights,or even gun rights.
 
 Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder of unborn
 babies at his abortionariums,paid by taxpayers to add insult to injury.
 
 Hopefully,more and more sensible people will see the correlation between
 destruction of the traditional family,and family values,and the vermin
 involved in destroying families in Canada.


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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,tor.general,calgary.general,van.general,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
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Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the
faggots and lesbians.
 
The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the
perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional
family.
 
First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews
want to destroy the family.
 
One must ask, WHY? Wasn't it enough that Christ was murdered?

Also,why are some ISPs now deleting messages on this topic?



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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The gay disease (was: Les Griswold's Parliamentary appearance)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:25:26 +0700
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Cthulhu wrote:
> 
> In article <4msfkv$ks1@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> >Non sequitur, Fester.  Like it or not, AIDS LARGELY affects homos.
> 
> Wrong.
> 
> >Stating the TRUTH about the population most at risk of catching this
> >disease does NOT equate with calling it a "gay" disease.  Get your head
> >out of your arse.
> 
> You are not stating the truth. You never have. You never will because you're a
> racist.


AIDS is a faggot disease.

You should read the documentary book,if you can,or else get your guardian 
to read to you, "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON".

It details how AIDS was spread worldwide by the Canadian faggot with Air 
Canada,who deliberately infected more than 100,000 others worldwide.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 12:43:25 PDT 1996
Article: 20141 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The gay disease (was: Les Griswold's Parliamentary appearance)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:25:26 +0700
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Cthulhu wrote:
> 
> In article <4msfkv$ks1@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> >Non sequitur, Fester.  Like it or not, AIDS LARGELY affects homos.
> 
> Wrong.
> 
> >Stating the TRUTH about the population most at risk of catching this
> >disease does NOT equate with calling it a "gay" disease.  Get your head
> >out of your arse.
> 
> You are not stating the truth. You never have. You never will because you're a
> racist.


AIDS is a faggot disease.

You should read the documentary book,if you can,or else get your guardian 
to read to you, "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON".

It details how AIDS was spread worldwide by the Canadian faggot with Air 
Canada,who deliberately infected more than 100,000 others worldwide.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 17 14:34:16 PDT 1996
Article: 37425 of alt.revisionism
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,tor.general,can.general,ont.general,alt.discrimination
Subject: ERNST ZUNDEL IN NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:53:50 +0700
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Media across Canada today proudly announced that well known Toronto 
businessman, Ernst Zundel is being featured in National geographic 
Magazine.

His views on the increase in crime in Toronto,Canada included his 
commentary regarding the increase in crime attributable to black 
criminals.

Ernst Zundel is well known for his historical research into the accuracy 
of alleged death counts in World war 2.

He is a strong proponent of complete freedom of speech, and has been 
persecuted for some of his views with which a powerful minority disagree, 
since it doesn't agree with their version of what is truth.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 17 14:34:17 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,can.politics
Subject: Bronfmans transferred $2 billions
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:51:26 +0700
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Sun newspapers in Canada reveal that the Bronfmans transferred $2 billion 
in 1985 and 1991 as part fo a tax dodge.

The Auditor General of Canada complained that this scam cost the Canadian 
taxpayers billions in missing taxes.

In fact the news reports states that a conscientious official at Revenue 
Canada initially disallowed the money transfers, but that some senior 
snivel servant then arranged to allow it.

Don't forget that the Bronfmans are extremely active in the World Jewish 
Congress.


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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.discrimination,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads
Subject: Re: The gay disease (was: Les Griswold's Parliamentary appearance)
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Cthulhu wrote:
> 
> In article <4msfkv$ks1@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> >Non sequitur, Fester.  Like it or not, AIDS LARGELY affects homos.
> 
> Wrong.
> 
> >Stating the TRUTH about the population most at risk of catching this
> >disease does NOT equate with calling it a "gay" disease.  Get your head
> >out of your arse.
> 
> You are not stating the truth. You never have. You never will because you're a
> racist.


AIDS is a faggot disease.

You should read the documentary book,if you can,or else get your guardian 
to read to you, "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON".

It details how AIDS was spread worldwide by the Canadian faggot with Air 
Canada,who deliberately infected more than 100,000 others worldwide.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 22 23:45:56 PDT 1996
Article: 38140 of alt.revisionism
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,news.admin.net-abuse.report,alt.revisionism,can.general
Subject: IS CAPRINA REALLY A NAZI?
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An allaeged female out of Calgary Canada seems to be a real life nazi.

Reasons for saying this include her claiming that any one who disagrees 
with her narrow view of supposed religion is a Nazi.How does she know 
this, unless she is herself a real Nazi, and thereby recognises her 
fellow travellers?

>From  her unbridled comments to the many critics of her in the past few 
weeks, either she is insane, or there is a sudden growth in the Alberta 
Nazi Party, care of Caprina.

Does Caprina give the stiff arm salute to Herr Hitler each day, or does 
she worship Herr Goebbels, who used the slogan, "repeat a lie often 
enough, and people will believe it".

I suggest that perhaps the federal regulatory authorities should 
carefully investigate the background of this creature. Perhaps CSIS is 
already investigating her for subversive activities???Who knows what her 
REAL agenda is, but it most definitely is NOT the subject of free speech.


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From: William Grosvenor 
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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <4n6k5i$8t4@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> bambi  wrote:
> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>We say please don't smoke near us because it makes it difficult
> >to breathe
> >>> and
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>makes us smell bad.  And all of a sudden we are Nazis who want to
> >
> >>>> >>persecute and ultimately kill you.  Did I miss something here?
> >>>> >
> No, what's happening is emotional blackmail at it's worst! They want to
> be able to trample all over people, they don't want to even try to
> respect the rights of other people, so when you object to their smoking,
> they call you a nazi in order to shut you up. It's the ssame with the
> fanatic animal rights people who call all meat eaters nazis, and the left
> wingers and right wingers throwing that lable around.
> It's emotional abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.
> The only time the term nazi can be properly applied is when that person
> or group of people is/are biggots, supporting the opression of another
> group just because of race, religion, skin color. Nazis are child
> molestors, rapists, killers, slavers, torturers, and feel they are
> superior to everyone else. They are addicted to power and delight in all
> kinds of abominable things that hurt people badly!
> So, I too, deeply resent anyone calling me a nazi just because I am not a
> vegan and don't smoke. I am not a sexual pervert or a sadist in any way
> at all.
> It's time the people who are emotionally opressed by those who lable them
> nazis when they in fact are not at all cruel, fought back. We're not
> gonna take this crap any more!
> 
> >>>> >>Steve
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Yes, Steve. Smokers are being persecuted. And when we are gone,
> >people
> >>>> >like yourself will be the focus of some government attack, but you
> >>>> >willhave forsaken personal rights by then.
> >>>> >--
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Question's anyone ?
> 
> Not. You chose to smoke, no one put a gun to your head and said "do or
> die", and now you're addicted.
> Why should other people have to breathe something that causes lung
> cancer just because you can't quit. If you want to smoke, that's
> really your problem and if you're kind enough, you'll do it somewhere
> where you won't bother anyone else.
> 
> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Bullshit! >>>>
> >>>> Smoker aren't being persecuted.  They are simply being asked to
> >respect the
> >>>> rights of others to not be forced to breathe their noxious exhaust.
> > That is
> >>>> not persecution - that is simply self-defense.
> 
> Ditto!
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>How can it be that you're so blind to the coming Holocaust aimed at
> >>>smokers?  Reread the facts presented on the Smoker's Home Page!
> >>>
> Oh honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Now you think all nonsmokers will engage in all kinds of monstrous
> sadistic activity, eh? Well, you're darn wrong! Furthermore, you're a
> pathetic paranoied whiner. I wish smoking was stopped altogether, but I'm
> not about to promote the gassing and torturing and killing of
> smokers!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather put up with smoke!
> 
> >>>           
> >>>
> >>>Could it be you won't acknowledge the facts because you're just a
> >>>Putitanical Nazi asswipe yourself?  You limpdick non-smokers make me
> >>>want to puke!  GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
> >>>
> Go back to school and learn the basics of kindergarten such as playing
> nice, and how not to make a complete idiot of yourself. Then come back
> and try debating.
> >>
> >>
> >>Here is the proof that smoking causes brain damage.
> >>
> Well, I don't think it was the smoking that did it, he's just totally
> wacko. he's the type that would be even if he didn't smoke.
> 
> >>Steve
> >
> >
> >steve,
> >
> >not all of us who smoke are that rude.  maybe he has male pms :).
> 
> Um, not all people with pms are even that rude. Methinks he suffers from
> some kind of desease that makes one think everybody's out to get them.
> Paranoia, I think they call it. Whatever, I am still utterly disgusted
> with the way the nazi lable gets thrown around where it doesn't belong!
> >
> >it is time that both sides realized we all have rights and we need to
> >stop try to force our opinions down someone else's throat.  just
> >because we don't like something, be it smoking, strong odors, auto
> >axhaust fumes or even overly loud music we DO NOT have the right to
> >force our opinion on another.  hell, isn't this  exactly why our
> >parents, grandparents and great grandparents came to this country.
> 
> Yes, but with freedom also comes responsibility not to abuse it.
> >
> >it's called freedom of choice.  if we choose to smoke in smoking areas
> >that's our right.  if you choose not to smoke that's your right, but
> >when 1 group demands that another give up their rights then that is
> >wrong.
> 
> If you smoke far enough away from us, that's ok, no complaints. You can
> blast your stereo all you want too as long as you're not infringing on
> someone else's right to sleep. It's when people don't care and they force
> their stuff on others who really can't hack it, that's when we run into
> troubles. And often the trouble is, the non smoking and smoking areas
> aren't really separeted well enough, so the problem isn't resolved
> effectively yet.
> 
> > >common respect for other people and good manners are
> what is
> needed >between smokers and nonsmokers alike.  smokers don't go into a non
> >smoking area and light up, and non smokers stay out of smoking areas
> >let both sides live and have peace.
> 
> Agreed. Now, if we could make it so the areas weren't so close to each
> other, maybe have two of everything, one restaurant for the nonsmokers,
> one for the smokers, some stores where it's ok to smoke, others where it
> isn't, and no smoking in the main hallways of a public building.
> 
> Caprina
> P.S. One of my best friends smokes, and she can't seem to quit. She
> wishes she never started.
> --
> "Look down,
> And show
> Some mercy if you can!
> 
> "Look down!
> Look down
> Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

Caprina seems to think that unless you agree with her, you must be  a 
nazi??

How would she/it know, unless she/it is a real nazi, and recognises 
others as such?

To force her stupid policies on everyone, whether it is legal or not 
certainly smells of nazism, wouldn't you say?

Why not have evry smoker in the world, let her know how you feel about 
Caprina as a nazi???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 22 23:45:58 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
Subject: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:29:39 +0700
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john rossetti wrote:
> 
>         It is obvious that the Liberal Party who are now governing our
> country are pro homosexuals in every respect.  It would have been a
> simple matter for Alan Rock to include in his notorious Bill 33 a
> definition of " family " that excluded two same sex partners as being
> a family.  This would have allowed his government to have their non-
> discrimination amendment to become law while at the same time satisfy
> the majority of Canadians who believe in the family values of a man and
> a woman, married legally, or a legally recognized common law marriage
> between a man and a woman.
> 
>         Canada is going to go right down the tubes as the Liberals
> continue to pander to all of the weirdo groups in the country. Where
> is the moral backbone that Canada used to have ?  Surely not in the
> Liberal Party.
> 
> John Rossetti

Many thousands of jobs for non-faggots will now be leaving Canada, as 
business owners such as myself rebel at being told whom to employ.

Sooner than hire faggots, I would sooner close down all operations in 
Canada, and relocate all the jobs in a faggot-free locale,such as parts 
of the USA, Singapore, or other parts of S.E.Asia, or even Mexico or 
Poland.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 22 23:45:59 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: RACISM IS ALREADY LEGAL IN CANADA
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:01:42 +0700
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Alexander Baron wrote:
> 
> In article <4nggje$btt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> > Robert, please explain what you mean. Racism is not illegal in any part of
> > Canada. Many here, notably Ken McVay, are working to ensure that racism
> > stays legal.
> 
> Hee, hee, hee.
> 
> --
> 
> Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts
> 
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles PeguyRACISM IS DEFINITELY LEGAL IN COMMUNIST CANADA!!!

Through the socalled "affirmative action" programs of both the federal 
government and some provinces, it is now impossible for normal, white men 
to get jobs such as with the RCMP, or for that matter with the Fire 
department of Redmonton Alberta.

Organisations are hiring only certain ethnic people,rather than the best 
qualified.By this they will hire some foreign ethnics such as blacks,or 
homosexuals or whatever, just to meet a racist quota.

One must wonder, however, why did the Census not ask whether one is a 
faggot, so that they could give a TRUE figure as to what percentage are 
deviants???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 22 23:46:00 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: ab.general,alt.revisionism,can.general,edm.general,tor.general,van.general
Subject: How Does Death sentence List Constitute Hate Crime?
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:05:33 +0700
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Walter Petelka wrote:
> 
> rnewell@vcn.bc.ca (colin newell) wrote:
> 
> >:]:  wrote:
> >:]
> >:]the following was snipped off grosvenors web page.....
> >:]
> >:]DEATH PENALTY to be provided for serious crimes, whether by males or
> >:]females, such
> >:]as for drug trafficking, multiple murder, repeat drunk driving, sexual
> >:]perverts, serious
> >:]sexual attacks, armed robbery, as well as criminal negligence resulting
> >:]in serious injury or
> >:]death.
> >:]
> >:]
> >:]I urge all USENET readers to send their opinions on this hate
> >:]material to the webmaster@compusmart.ab.ca
> 
> Disregard the ownership of the web page......how does the comment
> constiture "hate material?"
> 
> Walter Petelka
> idirect.com
> TORONTO, Ont..

Most normal people across Canada seem to support the list of crimes that 
should have a death penalty, so how does this constitute a hate crime?

Many have asked that home invasions, and armed robberies be added to the 
list.

Feel free to add your crime basis, worthy of extermination,so that once 
again justice may prevail, and cities again become safe.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 23 00:08:10 PDT 1996
Article: 29416 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: Why Invent AIDS?
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:00:43 +0700
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Cthulhu wrote:
> 
> In article <5f7cc$133235.323@NEWS>, ehrettk@mail.ameritel.net (Ken Ehrett) wrote:
> 
> >Funny you should bring up the dentist visits as we both know the only
> >case of infection that has occurred in this area was the result of a
> >butt pirate who was mad at the world for getting his dose of AIDS the
> >old fashioned way and decided to pass it on to his patients.  Another
> >reason why homos should be put in camps.  Hemophilliacs are another
> >group of real victims since they have to reply on blood that may be
> >contaminated by butt pirates who refuse to get tested for AIDS or
> >actually want to spread the disease like our good dentist friend.
> 
> So AIDS is a gay disease even though the fastest-growing population of AIDS
> victims are heterosexual women. Correct?
> 
> >Oh yeah, Mom was a real failure because she never taught me that it's
> >perfectly normal and healthy to let someone shove his fist up your
> >ass.  She is so irrational about those things.  Your mother on the
> >other hand must be proud as punch in the knowledge that her little boy
> >is doing his part to provide competition at the all night truck stops.
> 
> How sexually insecure you must be.
> 
> >It's always the same with you cum guzzler types, none of you ever
> >claim to hang out in bathhouses and yet when the city government
> >attempts to close them down they get flooded with protest
> >demonstrations by the homos to keep them open.
> 
> You  are lying.
> 
> >I'll be charitable to you.  Get yourself a living will now to ensure
> >that all your expensive butt plugs leather sex harnesses and enema
> >bags are left to you favorite ass buddy of the week cause you can end
> >up in the hospital with tubes in your nose (for a change) at any time.
> 
> More insecurity on your part. I find it pathetic that you are so insecure
> about yourself, you must invent kinky stuff for other people to do.It seems that all the homnosexuals wish to disprove what has been well 
documented.

The documentary book, and movie, entitled "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON" proved 
conclusively that AIDS was spread worldwide by the Canadian faggot 
working for Air Canada.

Queers have deliberately tried to spread AIDS, even going as far to sell 
their contaminated blood.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 23 00:08:13 PDT 1996
Article: 29464 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: Why Invent AIDS?
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:20:09 +0700
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lane@ulantris.infinop.com wrote:
> 
> Whitey wrote:
> >
> > lane@ulantris.infinop.com wrote:
> >
> > >Please, everyone, a moment of silence for all the money that has
> > >been wasted on AIDS and HIV research that would've been better spent
> > >on cancer or heart disease research.
> >
> > >That 319,000 death toll over twelve or so years is really, really
> > >pathetic compared to the death toll caused by heart disease and
> > >cancer...especially when one considers that a person's LIFESTYLE
> > >has the most to do with the spread of HIV.
> >
> > >Simply put, too much funding has been put into HIV research, much of
> > >it hurting other, more seriously needed research efforts, especially
> > >on the government side of things.
> >
> >    Oh, really? Well, keep in mind that a vast majority of heart
> > disease can be traced to the victim's lifestyle as well - Kentucky
> > Fried and pork rinds do not a healthy circulatory system make. Besides
> > which, you forget that the "lifestyle" which you say is a direct
> > causal event for the contraction of AIDS is for many people nothing
> > more than consentual sex between heterosexual adults. Oh, do you still
> > beleive that only gays get AIDS? Or that AIDS is divine retribition?
> > Pu-lease! AIDS is a mutated simian autoimune disease, which means that
> 
> Get a clue.  HIV has pretty much ONE bottleneck.  If you aren't having
> indiscriminate sex or shooting up drugs, gay or otherwise, you're chances
> of getting it are very, very slim.  Compare that to cancer or heart
> disease, which damn near kills EVERYONE who dies of natural causes.
> 
> > it mutated from being deadly for one species to being deadly for
> > another species - That's quite a mutation. Now, what do you think
> > would happen if the disease were allowed to mutate freely? Perhaps it
> > could mutate into a hardier virus which resisted normal precautions,
> > or worse - it could mutate into an airborne pathogen. Either way our
> 
> Well, that WOULD be an amazing transformation.  Tell me how this would
> happen...please, I'm all ears.
> 
> > species at that point would be doomed. You say money spent on AIDS is
> > a waste? Bullshit. Nothing less than our survival as a species is at
> 
> Thats a bit dramatic, and a load of bull in any event.
> 
> > stake.
> >
> > Byte me.
> 
> No thanks, I might catch something.
> 
> Simply put, more money is being spent on HIV/AIDS research than any
> other disease.  Given the scale of the disease compared to heart disease
> or cancer, I think it IS a waste of money.  There is only so much
> research money to go around, and too much of it is going to AIDS
> "research" ("gee, I wonder if salmon sperm distillate would help AIDS
> patients"...well, lets fire you up a grant for $200k to find out!).AIDS is most definitely a faggot centered disease.

AIDS was deliberately spread worldwide through the Canadian faggot 
working for Air Canada,so in that sense it was spread by Canada.This has 
been authoritatively documented in the book and movie entitled "AND THE 
BAND PLAYED ON".

Yes, non faggots are now getting AIDS, mainly from contaminated bllod 
sold by homosexuals infected with AIDS.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 23 00:08:13 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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lane@ulantris.infinop.com wrote:
> 
> Whitey wrote:
> >
> > lane@ulantris.infinop.com wrote:
> >
> > >Please, everyone, a moment of silence for all the money that has
> > >been wasted on AIDS and HIV research that would've been better spent
> > >on cancer or heart disease research.
> >
> > >That 319,000 death toll over twelve or so years is really, really
> > >pathetic compared to the death toll caused by heart disease and
> > >cancer...especially when one considers that a person's LIFESTYLE
> > >has the most to do with the spread of HIV.
> >
> > >Simply put, too much funding has been put into HIV research, much of
> > >it hurting other, more seriously needed research efforts, especially
> > >on the government side of things.
> >
> >    Oh, really? Well, keep in mind that a vast majority of heart
> > disease can be traced to the victim's lifestyle as well - Kentucky
> > Fried and pork rinds do not a healthy circulatory system make. Besides
> > which, you forget that the "lifestyle" which you say is a direct
> > causal event for the contraction of AIDS is for many people nothing
> > more than consentual sex between heterosexual adults. Oh, do you still
> > beleive that only gays get AIDS? Or that AIDS is divine retribition?
> > Pu-lease! AIDS is a mutated simian autoimune disease, which means that
> 
> Get a clue.  HIV has pretty much ONE bottleneck.  If you aren't having
> indiscriminate sex or shooting up drugs, gay or otherwise, you're chances
> of getting it are very, very slim.  Compare that to cancer or heart
> disease, which damn near kills EVERYONE who dies of natural causes.
> 
> > it mutated from being deadly for one species to being deadly for
> > another species - That's quite a mutation. Now, what do you think
> > would happen if the disease were allowed to mutate freely? Perhaps it
> > could mutate into a hardier virus which resisted normal precautions,
> > or worse - it could mutate into an airborne pathogen. Either way our
> 
> Well, that WOULD be an amazing transformation.  Tell me how this would
> happen...please, I'm all ears.
> 
> > species at that point would be doomed. You say money spent on AIDS is
> > a waste? Bullshit. Nothing less than our survival as a species is at
> 
> Thats a bit dramatic, and a load of bull in any event.
> 
> > stake.
> >
> > Byte me.
> 
> No thanks, I might catch something.
> 
> Simply put, more money is being spent on HIV/AIDS research than any
> other disease.  Given the scale of the disease compared to heart disease
> or cancer, I think it IS a waste of money.  There is only so much
> research money to go around, and too much of it is going to AIDS
> "research" ("gee, I wonder if salmon sperm distillate would help AIDS
> patients"...well, lets fire you up a grant for $200k to find out!).AIDS is most definitely a faggot centered disease.

AIDS was deliberately spread worldwide through the Canadian faggot 
working for Air Canada,so in that sense it was spread by Canada.This has 
been authoritatively documented in the book and movie entitled "AND THE 
BAND PLAYED ON".

Yes, non faggots are now getting AIDS, mainly from contaminated blood 
sold by homosexuals infected with AIDS.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 23 00:24:03 PDT 1996
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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <4n6k5i$8t4@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> bambi  wrote:
> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>We say please don't smoke near us because it makes it difficult
> >to breathe
> >>> and
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>makes us smell bad.  And all of a sudden we are Nazis who want to
> >
> >>>> >>persecute and ultimately kill you.  Did I miss something here?
> >>>> >
> No, what's happening is emotional blackmail at it's worst! They want to
> be able to trample all over people, they don't want to even try to
> respect the rights of other people, so when you object to their smoking,
> they call you a nazi in order to shut you up. It's the ssame with the
> fanatic animal rights people who call all meat eaters nazis, and the left
> wingers and right wingers throwing that lable around.
> It's emotional abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.
> The only time the term nazi can be properly applied is when that person
> or group of people is/are biggots, supporting the opression of another
> group just because of race, religion, skin color. Nazis are child
> molestors, rapists, killers, slavers, torturers, and feel they are
> superior to everyone else. They are addicted to power and delight in all
> kinds of abominable things that hurt people badly!
> So, I too, deeply resent anyone calling me a nazi just because I am not a
> vegan and don't smoke. I am not a sexual pervert or a sadist in any way
> at all.
> It's time the people who are emotionally opressed by those who lable them
> nazis when they in fact are not at all cruel, fought back. We're not
> gonna take this crap any more!
> 
> >>>> >>Steve
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Yes, Steve. Smokers are being persecuted. And when we are gone,
> >people
> >>>> >like yourself will be the focus of some government attack, but you
> >>>> >willhave forsaken personal rights by then.
> >>>> >--
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Question's anyone ?
> 
> Not. You chose to smoke, no one put a gun to your head and said "do or
> die", and now you're addicted.
> Why should other people have to breathe something that causes lung
> cancer just because you can't quit. If you want to smoke, that's
> really your problem and if you're kind enough, you'll do it somewhere
> where you won't bother anyone else.
> 
> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Bullshit! >>>>
> >>>> Smoker aren't being persecuted.  They are simply being asked to
> >respect the
> >>>> rights of others to not be forced to breathe their noxious exhaust.
> > That is
> >>>> not persecution - that is simply self-defense.
> 
> Ditto!
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>How can it be that you're so blind to the coming Holocaust aimed at
> >>>smokers?  Reread the facts presented on the Smoker's Home Page!
> >>>
> Oh honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Now you think all nonsmokers will engage in all kinds of monstrous
> sadistic activity, eh? Well, you're darn wrong! Furthermore, you're a
> pathetic paranoied whiner. I wish smoking was stopped altogether, but I'm
> not about to promote the gassing and torturing and killing of
> smokers!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather put up with smoke!
> 
> >>>           
> >>>
> >>>Could it be you won't acknowledge the facts because you're just a
> >>>Putitanical Nazi asswipe yourself?  You limpdick non-smokers make me
> >>>want to puke!  GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
> >>>
> Go back to school and learn the basics of kindergarten such as playing
> nice, and how not to make a complete idiot of yourself. Then come back
> and try debating.
> >>
> >>
> >>Here is the proof that smoking causes brain damage.
> >>
> Well, I don't think it was the smoking that did it, he's just totally
> wacko. he's the type that would be even if he didn't smoke.
> 
> >>Steve
> >
> >
> >steve,
> >
> >not all of us who smoke are that rude.  maybe he has male pms :).
> 
> Um, not all people with pms are even that rude. Methinks he suffers from
> some kind of desease that makes one think everybody's out to get them.
> Paranoia, I think they call it. Whatever, I am still utterly disgusted
> with the way the nazi lable gets thrown around where it doesn't belong!
> >
> >it is time that both sides realized we all have rights and we need to
> >stop try to force our opinions down someone else's throat.  just
> >because we don't like something, be it smoking, strong odors, auto
> >axhaust fumes or even overly loud music we DO NOT have the right to
> >force our opinion on another.  hell, isn't this  exactly why our
> >parents, grandparents and great grandparents came to this country.
> 
> Yes, but with freedom also comes responsibility not to abuse it.
> >
> >it's called freedom of choice.  if we choose to smoke in smoking areas
> >that's our right.  if you choose not to smoke that's your right, but
> >when 1 group demands that another give up their rights then that is
> >wrong.
> 
> If you smoke far enough away from us, that's ok, no complaints. You can
> blast your stereo all you want too as long as you're not infringing on
> someone else's right to sleep. It's when people don't care and they force
> their stuff on others who really can't hack it, that's when we run into
> troubles. And often the trouble is, the non smoking and smoking areas
> aren't really separeted well enough, so the problem isn't resolved
> effectively yet.
> 
> > >common respect for other people and good manners are
> what is
> needed >between smokers and nonsmokers alike.  smokers don't go into a non
> >smoking area and light up, and non smokers stay out of smoking areas
> >let both sides live and have peace.
> 
> Agreed. Now, if we could make it so the areas weren't so close to each
> other, maybe have two of everything, one restaurant for the nonsmokers,
> one for the smokers, some stores where it's ok to smoke, others where it
> isn't, and no smoking in the main hallways of a public building.
> 
> Caprina
> P.S. One of my best friends smokes, and she can't seem to quit. She
> wishes she never started.
> --
> "Look down,
> And show
> Some mercy if you can!
> 
> "Look down!
> Look down
> Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

Caprina seems to think that unless you agree with her, you must be  a 
nazi??

How would she/it know, unless she/it is a real nazi, and recognises 
others as such?

To force her stupid policies on everyone, whether it is legal or not 
certainly smells of nazism, wouldn't you say?

Why not have evry smoker in the world, let her know how you feel about 
Caprina as a nazi???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 23 07:46:17 PDT 1996
Article: 24054 of alt.skinheads
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: Why Invent AIDS?
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:00:43 +0700
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Cthulhu wrote:
> 
> In article <5f7cc$133235.323@NEWS>, ehrettk@mail.ameritel.net (Ken Ehrett) wrote:
> 
> >Funny you should bring up the dentist visits as we both know the only
> >case of infection that has occurred in this area was the result of a
> >butt pirate who was mad at the world for getting his dose of AIDS the
> >old fashioned way and decided to pass it on to his patients.  Another
> >reason why homos should be put in camps.  Hemophilliacs are another
> >group of real victims since they have to reply on blood that may be
> >contaminated by butt pirates who refuse to get tested for AIDS or
> >actually want to spread the disease like our good dentist friend.
> 
> So AIDS is a gay disease even though the fastest-growing population of AIDS
> victims are heterosexual women. Correct?
> 
> >Oh yeah, Mom was a real failure because she never taught me that it's
> >perfectly normal and healthy to let someone shove his fist up your
> >ass.  She is so irrational about those things.  Your mother on the
> >other hand must be proud as punch in the knowledge that her little boy
> >is doing his part to provide competition at the all night truck stops.
> 
> How sexually insecure you must be.
> 
> >It's always the same with you cum guzzler types, none of you ever
> >claim to hang out in bathhouses and yet when the city government
> >attempts to close them down they get flooded with protest
> >demonstrations by the homos to keep them open.
> 
> You  are lying.
> 
> >I'll be charitable to you.  Get yourself a living will now to ensure
> >that all your expensive butt plugs leather sex harnesses and enema
> >bags are left to you favorite ass buddy of the week cause you can end
> >up in the hospital with tubes in your nose (for a change) at any time.
> 
> More insecurity on your part. I find it pathetic that you are so insecure
> about yourself, you must invent kinky stuff for other people to do.It seems that all the homnosexuals wish to disprove what has been well 
documented.

The documentary book, and movie, entitled "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON" proved 
conclusively that AIDS was spread worldwide by the Canadian faggot 
working for Air Canada.

Queers have deliberately tried to spread AIDS, even going as far to sell 
their contaminated blood.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 23 07:46:18 PDT 1996
Article: 24085 of alt.skinheads
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: Why Invent AIDS?
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:20:09 +0700
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lane@ulantris.infinop.com wrote:
> 
> Whitey wrote:
> >
> > lane@ulantris.infinop.com wrote:
> >
> > >Please, everyone, a moment of silence for all the money that has
> > >been wasted on AIDS and HIV research that would've been better spent
> > >on cancer or heart disease research.
> >
> > >That 319,000 death toll over twelve or so years is really, really
> > >pathetic compared to the death toll caused by heart disease and
> > >cancer...especially when one considers that a person's LIFESTYLE
> > >has the most to do with the spread of HIV.
> >
> > >Simply put, too much funding has been put into HIV research, much of
> > >it hurting other, more seriously needed research efforts, especially
> > >on the government side of things.
> >
> >    Oh, really? Well, keep in mind that a vast majority of heart
> > disease can be traced to the victim's lifestyle as well - Kentucky
> > Fried and pork rinds do not a healthy circulatory system make. Besides
> > which, you forget that the "lifestyle" which you say is a direct
> > causal event for the contraction of AIDS is for many people nothing
> > more than consentual sex between heterosexual adults. Oh, do you still
> > beleive that only gays get AIDS? Or that AIDS is divine retribition?
> > Pu-lease! AIDS is a mutated simian autoimune disease, which means that
> 
> Get a clue.  HIV has pretty much ONE bottleneck.  If you aren't having
> indiscriminate sex or shooting up drugs, gay or otherwise, you're chances
> of getting it are very, very slim.  Compare that to cancer or heart
> disease, which damn near kills EVERYONE who dies of natural causes.
> 
> > it mutated from being deadly for one species to being deadly for
> > another species - That's quite a mutation. Now, what do you think
> > would happen if the disease were allowed to mutate freely? Perhaps it
> > could mutate into a hardier virus which resisted normal precautions,
> > or worse - it could mutate into an airborne pathogen. Either way our
> 
> Well, that WOULD be an amazing transformation.  Tell me how this would
> happen...please, I'm all ears.
> 
> > species at that point would be doomed. You say money spent on AIDS is
> > a waste? Bullshit. Nothing less than our survival as a species is at
> 
> Thats a bit dramatic, and a load of bull in any event.
> 
> > stake.
> >
> > Byte me.
> 
> No thanks, I might catch something.
> 
> Simply put, more money is being spent on HIV/AIDS research than any
> other disease.  Given the scale of the disease compared to heart disease
> or cancer, I think it IS a waste of money.  There is only so much
> research money to go around, and too much of it is going to AIDS
> "research" ("gee, I wonder if salmon sperm distillate would help AIDS
> patients"...well, lets fire you up a grant for $200k to find out!).AIDS is most definitely a faggot centered disease.

AIDS was deliberately spread worldwide through the Canadian faggot 
working for Air Canada,so in that sense it was spread by Canada.This has 
been authoritatively documented in the book and movie entitled "AND THE 
BAND PLAYED ON".

Yes, non faggots are now getting AIDS, mainly from contaminated bllod 
sold by homosexuals infected with AIDS.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 23 07:46:19 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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lane@ulantris.infinop.com wrote:
> 
> Whitey wrote:
> >
> > lane@ulantris.infinop.com wrote:
> >
> > >Please, everyone, a moment of silence for all the money that has
> > >been wasted on AIDS and HIV research that would've been better spent
> > >on cancer or heart disease research.
> >
> > >That 319,000 death toll over twelve or so years is really, really
> > >pathetic compared to the death toll caused by heart disease and
> > >cancer...especially when one considers that a person's LIFESTYLE
> > >has the most to do with the spread of HIV.
> >
> > >Simply put, too much funding has been put into HIV research, much of
> > >it hurting other, more seriously needed research efforts, especially
> > >on the government side of things.
> >
> >    Oh, really? Well, keep in mind that a vast majority of heart
> > disease can be traced to the victim's lifestyle as well - Kentucky
> > Fried and pork rinds do not a healthy circulatory system make. Besides
> > which, you forget that the "lifestyle" which you say is a direct
> > causal event for the contraction of AIDS is for many people nothing
> > more than consentual sex between heterosexual adults. Oh, do you still
> > beleive that only gays get AIDS? Or that AIDS is divine retribition?
> > Pu-lease! AIDS is a mutated simian autoimune disease, which means that
> 
> Get a clue.  HIV has pretty much ONE bottleneck.  If you aren't having
> indiscriminate sex or shooting up drugs, gay or otherwise, you're chances
> of getting it are very, very slim.  Compare that to cancer or heart
> disease, which damn near kills EVERYONE who dies of natural causes.
> 
> > it mutated from being deadly for one species to being deadly for
> > another species - That's quite a mutation. Now, what do you think
> > would happen if the disease were allowed to mutate freely? Perhaps it
> > could mutate into a hardier virus which resisted normal precautions,
> > or worse - it could mutate into an airborne pathogen. Either way our
> 
> Well, that WOULD be an amazing transformation.  Tell me how this would
> happen...please, I'm all ears.
> 
> > species at that point would be doomed. You say money spent on AIDS is
> > a waste? Bullshit. Nothing less than our survival as a species is at
> 
> Thats a bit dramatic, and a load of bull in any event.
> 
> > stake.
> >
> > Byte me.
> 
> No thanks, I might catch something.
> 
> Simply put, more money is being spent on HIV/AIDS research than any
> other disease.  Given the scale of the disease compared to heart disease
> or cancer, I think it IS a waste of money.  There is only so much
> research money to go around, and too much of it is going to AIDS
> "research" ("gee, I wonder if salmon sperm distillate would help AIDS
> patients"...well, lets fire you up a grant for $200k to find out!).AIDS is most definitely a faggot centered disease.

AIDS was deliberately spread worldwide through the Canadian faggot 
working for Air Canada,so in that sense it was spread by Canada.This has 
been authoritatively documented in the book and movie entitled "AND THE 
BAND PLAYED ON".

Yes, non faggots are now getting AIDS, mainly from contaminated blood 
sold by homosexuals infected with AIDS.


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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: RACISM IS ALREADY LEGAL IN CANADA
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:01:42 +0700
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Alexander Baron wrote:
> 
> In article <4nggje$btt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> > Robert, please explain what you mean. Racism is not illegal in any part of
> > Canada. Many here, notably Ken McVay, are working to ensure that racism
> > stays legal.
> 
> Hee, hee, hee.
> 
> --
> 
> Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts
> 
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles PeguyRACISM IS DEFINITELY LEGAL IN COMMUNIST CANADA!!!

Through the socalled "affirmative action" programs of both the federal 
government and some provinces, it is now impossible for normal, white men 
to get jobs such as with the RCMP, or for that matter with the Fire 
department of Redmonton Alberta.

Organisations are hiring only certain ethnic people,rather than the best 
qualified.By this they will hire some foreign ethnics such as blacks,or 
homosexuals or whatever, just to meet a racist quota.

One must wonder, however, why did the Census not ask whether one is a 
faggot, so that they could give a TRUE figure as to what percentage are 
deviants???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 07:19:12 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,edm.general,tor.general,van.general,ab.general
Subject: Re: How Does Death sentence List Constitute Hate Crime?
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:12:12 +0700
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Kimberley Ahlf wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 22 May 1996, Martin Tolton wrote:
> 
> > I read the last post on this topic but it did not provide the answer to
> > this question:  How does death sentence list constitute hate crime?
> >
> > Can anyone answer this?
> >
> > -mrt
> > mrt@portal.ca
> > ______________________________________________________________________________
> >              Katz's Law:
> >                      Men and women will act rationally when
> >                   all other possibilities have been exhausted.
> > ______________________________________________________________________________
> > e4,
> >
> 
> I think the list may be construed as "hateful" because of its inclusion of
> the category "sexual perversion" which stands beside the undifferentiated
> category "serious sexual attacks."  "Sexual Perversion" is understood by
> most to be a code-phrase for "homosexual activity," a consenting-adult
> activity associated almost inextricably with homosexuals as an identity group.
> The implication here is that a person should be executed simply for being
> a member of a particular identity group.  That is a 'hateful' thing to
> say.
> 
> To call it a 'crime' is hyperbole, but that seems to be the currency of
> this NG.
> 
> -Ahlf
> 
> >
> >Sexual perversion is exactly that - an act not permitted by the laws of 
Canada.Surely normal people will not tolerate illegal acts, will they?


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 07:19:13 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: tor.general,ont.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination
Subject: Re: NOTE ABOUT WILLIAM GROSVENOR - please read
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Tipsy McStagger wrote:
> 
> In article , gregs@inforamp.net (GREGS) writes:
> >In article , sberry@ivory.trentu.ca wrote:
> >
> >> Send complaints to paulb@compusmart.ab.ca, as per the forwarded article,
> >> and let's see this sick turd gone.
> >>
> >> Those who are more inclined may choose to contact the RCMP hate crime
> >> squad or CSIS and point out Mr. Grosvenor's activities. They actively
> >> monitor individuals like him and take an interest in cyber-hate,
> >> such that he and that Zundel guy are actively engaged in.
> >>
> >> The number for CSIS in Toronto is (416)865-1480 but they also have
> >> a 1-800 number, I think, in case you're long distance from a major city.
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >
> >Freedom of speech has more to fear from one net-nazi like
> >*sberry@ivory.trentu.ca* than 1000 net-loon's like WILLIAM GROSVENOR.
> 
> I'm afraid you know not where you speak. Grosvenor is the nazi, not I.
> 
> I don't necessarily agree that freedom of speech allows you or I to
> promote hatred. Perhaps you should re-read his articles. I merely forwarded
> the article from news.admin.net-abuse.misc to the groups he trolled.
> If you want to encourage people like him, by all means go right ahead.
> But don't expect me to defend you if you spew hate, even if you do have
> the right to say it (as the saying goes, "defend to the death your right
> to say it" *does* have it's limits and that line is drawn at hate).
> 
> Shawn
> http://www.ptbo.igs.net/~shawn
> 
> >
> >--
> >gregs
> >
> >SEMPER FIDELIS
> >     The Canadian Constitution
> >     "Void Where Prohibited By Law"
> >
> >^ WHO DARES,WINS ^
> 
> * Any unsolicited commercial e-mail and/or the inclusion of my user-id in
> * any mailing list without my express prior written approval, including the
> * receipt of a mass e-mail message and/or the unauthorized reselling of this
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A key point in all the garbage recirculated by SBerry at trentu, is the 
fact that he/it has never,ever documented any example of hate material.

It is definitely NOt hate material to express one's opinion regarding 
legislation.

It is definitely NOT hate material to have a proposed political platform 
for a proposed political party.

It is certainly NOT hate material to report that the National geographic 
magazine has a feature on well-known Toronto researcher Ernst Zundel.

So, where is the hate material?

Could it be that SBerry is deliberately trying to foment some hate 
material,similar to the way Droege was infiltrated into the Reform Party 
by CSIS?


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 09:23:02 PDT 1996
Article: 20584 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: RACISM IS ALREADY LEGAL IN CANADA
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:01:42 +0700
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Alexander Baron wrote:
> 
> In article <4nggje$btt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> > Robert, please explain what you mean. Racism is not illegal in any part of
> > Canada. Many here, notably Ken McVay, are working to ensure that racism
> > stays legal.
> 
> Hee, hee, hee.
> 
> --
> 
> Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts
> 
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles PeguyRACISM IS DEFINITELY LEGAL IN COMMUNIST CANADA!!!

Through the socalled "affirmative action" programs of both the federal 
government and some provinces, it is now impossible for normal, white men 
to get jobs such as with the RCMP, or for that matter with the Fire 
department of Redmonton Alberta.

Organisations are hiring only certain ethnic people,rather than the best 
qualified.By this they will hire some foreign ethnics such as blacks,or 
homosexuals or whatever, just to meet a racist quota.

One must wonder, however, why did the Census not ask whether one is a 
faggot, so that they could give a TRUE figure as to what percentage are 
deviants???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 11:43:54 PDT 1996
Article: 47574 of alt.activism
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Is Caprina a Nazi?
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:49:46 +0700
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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <4n6k5i$8t4@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> bambi  wrote:
> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>We say please don't smoke near us because it makes it difficult
> >to breathe
> >>> and
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>makes us smell bad.  And all of a sudden we are Nazis who want to
> >
> >>>> >>persecute and ultimately kill you.  Did I miss something here?
> >>>> >
> No, what's happening is emotional blackmail at it's worst! They want to
> be able to trample all over people, they don't want to even try to
> respect the rights of other people, so when you object to their smoking,
> they call you a nazi in order to shut you up. It's the ssame with the
> fanatic animal rights people who call all meat eaters nazis, and the left
> wingers and right wingers throwing that lable around.
> It's emotional abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.
> The only time the term nazi can be properly applied is when that person
> or group of people is/are biggots, supporting the opression of another
> group just because of race, religion, skin color. Nazis are child
> molestors, rapists, killers, slavers, torturers, and feel they are
> superior to everyone else. They are addicted to power and delight in all
> kinds of abominable things that hurt people badly!
> So, I too, deeply resent anyone calling me a nazi just because I am not a
> vegan and don't smoke. I am not a sexual pervert or a sadist in any way
> at all.
> It's time the people who are emotionally opressed by those who lable them
> nazis when they in fact are not at all cruel, fought back. We're not
> gonna take this crap any more!
> 
> >>>> >>Steve
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Yes, Steve. Smokers are being persecuted. And when we are gone,
> >people
> >>>> >like yourself will be the focus of some government attack, but you
> >>>> >willhave forsaken personal rights by then.
> >>>> >--
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Question's anyone ?
> 
> Not. You chose to smoke, no one put a gun to your head and said "do or
> die", and now you're addicted.
> Why should other people have to breathe something that causes lung
> cancer just because you can't quit. If you want to smoke, that's
> really your problem and if you're kind enough, you'll do it somewhere
> where you won't bother anyone else.
> 
> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Bullshit! >>>>
> >>>> Smoker aren't being persecuted.  They are simply being asked to
> >respect the
> >>>> rights of others to not be forced to breathe their noxious exhaust.
> > That is
> >>>> not persecution - that is simply self-defense.
> 
> Ditto!
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>How can it be that you're so blind to the coming Holocaust aimed at
> >>>smokers?  Reread the facts presented on the Smoker's Home Page!
> >>>
> Oh honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Now you think all nonsmokers will engage in all kinds of monstrous
> sadistic activity, eh? Well, you're darn wrong! Furthermore, you're a
> pathetic paranoied whiner. I wish smoking was stopped altogether, but I'm
> not about to promote the gassing and torturing and killing of
> smokers!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather put up with smoke!
> 
> >>>           
> >>>
> >>>Could it be you won't acknowledge the facts because you're just a
> >>>Putitanical Nazi asswipe yourself?  You limpdick non-smokers make me
> >>>want to puke!  GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
> >>>
> Go back to school and learn the basics of kindergarten such as playing
> nice, and how not to make a complete idiot of yourself. Then come back
> and try debating.
> >>
> >>
> >>Here is the proof that smoking causes brain damage.
> >>
> Well, I don't think it was the smoking that did it, he's just totally
> wacko. he's the type that would be even if he didn't smoke.
> 
> >>Steve
> >
> >
> >steve,
> >
> >not all of us who smoke are that rude.  maybe he has male pms :).
> 
> Um, not all people with pms are even that rude. Methinks he suffers from
> some kind of desease that makes one think everybody's out to get them.
> Paranoia, I think they call it. Whatever, I am still utterly disgusted
> with the way the nazi lable gets thrown around where it doesn't belong!
> >
> >it is time that both sides realized we all have rights and we need to
> >stop try to force our opinions down someone else's throat.  just
> >because we don't like something, be it smoking, strong odors, auto
> >axhaust fumes or even overly loud music we DO NOT have the right to
> >force our opinion on another.  hell, isn't this  exactly why our
> >parents, grandparents and great grandparents came to this country.
> 
> Yes, but with freedom also comes responsibility not to abuse it.
> >
> >it's called freedom of choice.  if we choose to smoke in smoking areas
> >that's our right.  if you choose not to smoke that's your right, but
> >when 1 group demands that another give up their rights then that is
> >wrong.
> 
> If you smoke far enough away from us, that's ok, no complaints. You can
> blast your stereo all you want too as long as you're not infringing on
> someone else's right to sleep. It's when people don't care and they force
> their stuff on others who really can't hack it, that's when we run into
> troubles. And often the trouble is, the non smoking and smoking areas
> aren't really separeted well enough, so the problem isn't resolved
> effectively yet.
> 
> > >common respect for other people and good manners are
> what is
> needed >between smokers and nonsmokers alike.  smokers don't go into a non
> >smoking area and light up, and non smokers stay out of smoking areas
> >let both sides live and have peace.
> 
> Agreed. Now, if we could make it so the areas weren't so close to each
> other, maybe have two of everything, one restaurant for the nonsmokers,
> one for the smokers, some stores where it's ok to smoke, others where it
> isn't, and no smoking in the main hallways of a public building.
> 
> Caprina
> P.S. One of my best friends smokes, and she can't seem to quit. She
> wishes she never started.
> --
> "Look down,
> And show
> Some mercy if you can!
> 
> "Look down!
> Look down
> Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

Caprina seems to think that unless you agree with her, you must be  a 
nazi??

How would she/it know, unless she/it is a real nazi, and recognises 
others as such?

To force her stupid policies on everyone, whether it is legal or not 
certainly smells of nazism, wouldn't you say?

Why not have evry smoker in the world, let her know how you feel about 
Caprina as a nazi???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 15:07:59 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: SAVE the CBC
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:46:50 +0700
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Danny Lineham wrote:
> 
> >>There's a good article in Wired magazine from a month or 2 ago about
> >>New Zealand derulizing everything.  The article made it seem as
> though
> >>life was moving along quite nicely as a result.
> Hello from NZ! Yes, things have been mostly de-regulated here. It's
> been going on for several years and still continues, as the current
> gov't tries to deregulate everything in the country. IT IS THE WORST
> THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY!!! Unemployment has (by NZ
> standards, where it used to be non-existent) soared, poverty has reared
> its ugly head in a way that was never seen here before, educational
> standards have dropped, medical treatment, which was once very good,
> has become appalling with long waiting lists and people who can't
> afford treatment, and, not surprisingly given the foregoing (and
> believe me that's just the high(or low)lights) crime is ever
> increasing, and beginning to move from an epidemic of petty crime
> (break and enter, car theft, etc) to more serious felonies. But hey,
> we're gonna make our mark in the free market economy - deregulate, let
> the foreign (mostly American and Japanese) companies take over the
> economy, and to Hell with what it does to our people, our culture, our
> way of life. Better to be right up there with the Americans, rather
> than have a just, equitable and caring society, right? I've been
> following this thread (and other similar on here) with interest. I
> thought it was bad here in NZ . . . the sentiments expressed by *so*
> many people here tell me things are much worse in Canada. God (or
> someone or something- and NOT Ralph Klein) save us all!

Sell the Communist Brainwashing Corporation,if anyone wants to buy it!!

Use the proceeds to lower the national debt,and lay off,fire or otherwise 
terminate all the PC employees thereof.

Audiences are plummetting according to all statistics,so what use are 
they?

If CBC gets exterminated,perhaps cable bills will start to drop,when they 
no longer must subsidize mediocrity.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 15:08:01 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.infohighway,soc.culture.canada,bc.general,tor.general,mtl.general,ont.general,ott.general,muc.general,calgary.general,edm.general,can.atlantic.general
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@canadas.net Online Services wrote:
> 
> @canadas.net Online Services
> ==========================
> 
> Survey Address:  http://www.canadas.net/survey.html
> 
> Objective:
> 
> To collect a broad sample of feedback from the general public
> concerning their Internet Service Providers (ISP).  This survey is
> being conducted independently of any ISP and results will be published
> in CA Internet Daily our Internet News Service, in the media and made
> available to ISP's.
> 
> This is your oppotunity to voice your opinion on the state of service
> you are receiving today.  We anticipate to gather anywhere from 1500
> to 5000 submissions making this the first large scale survey of its
> kind in Canada.
> 
> If your news organization is interested in receiving the results of
> this survey please contact us at 604.687.8797.
> 
> @canadas.net Online Services
> http://www.canadas.net/
> Vancouver, B.C.COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with 
service almost as bad as it can get!!!

Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.

Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as 
well.

I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong 
warning!!!


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 15:08:02 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: Homosexuality, Judaism, and fellow-Canadians who turn my stomach
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:29:32 +0700
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Tony Buckland wrote:
> 
>  It is with a sense of deep disgust that I have seen the
>  proliferation of threads, each with a horrible vitality, in the
>  last few days with subject lines centering on the word "faggot"
>  and then branching out to include "Jew" and anyone else who
>  might not share the glaring gaze of fanaticism of the poster.
> 
>  In some token gesture of decency, may I here offer the hand of
>  friendship to those of my fellow-Canadians who are the targets
>  of these neo-Nazi clones.
> 
>  Am I one of those they love to despise?  I wouldn't dream of
>  giving them the satisfaction of seeing me hide behind some
>  mainstream barricade.  Let the spittle drool from their twisting
>  lips as they try to decide whether I'm gay or straight, Jew,
>  Christian or neither.  I will happily wear the yellow star or
>  pink triangle to confuse their ravening search and frustrate
>  their divisive aims.  As should we all.


You failed to answer the headline question, namely why are the Jews 
openly supporting the perverted faggots?

Even the prestigious Alberta report is wondering about the correlations 
in their issue of May 13,1996.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 15:08:03 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Immigration - Australia/Canada....
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:04:37 +0700
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Michael Jennings wrote:
> 
> In article <4nij7f$pj7@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, Andrew Chow  wrote:
> >Karen Gordon (ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> >
> >It is interesting that you are providing evidence for one facet against
> >your argument that Canada takes in more immigratns than any other
> >country.  Obviously we don't, from your data above, Australia has 22%
> >versus Canada's 17%.  I would be interested to know what their annual
> >rate would be.  Furthermore, are you suggesting that more immigrants
> >result in a more prosperous economy?  Hmmmm..  food for thought.
> 
>         Two things. Firstly, Australia's present rate of immigration
> is around 100000 per year total (ie that includes family, business,
> skill and humanitarian immigration). This is rather lower than it has
> been in recent years, for petty political reasons.
>         Secondly, the evidence that more immigrants result in a more
> prosperous economy is overwhelming. Some people will never be convinced,
> however.
> 
>         Michael
> --
> Michael Jennings
> Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics
> The University of Cambridge.
> http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/mjj12   mjj12@amtp.cam.ac.uk
> 
> "Much of what passes for quality on British television is no
> more than a reflection of the values of the narrow elite which
> controls it and which has always thought that its tastes are
> synonymous with quality" - Rupert Murdoch


It is NOT the NUMBEr of immigrants,that is bodies, that counts.

It is far more important whether they are workers, or even job creators.

Neither Australia, nor Canada needs useless garbage,such as faggots 
spreading AIDS, or so-called economic refugees from Israel or Russia, who 
are not even refugees,but just want to jump the immigration standards and 
live on welfare in canada at taxpayer expense.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:08 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <8MAY199621280066@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
> Daniel Mittleman  wrote:
> >In article <31907E7F.5E3E@compustupid.ab.ca>, William Grosstroll
>  spews...
> >>In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration
> bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda and on and on and on and on.
> >>
> >
> >    I wonder what the normal people of Canada think about having Grosvenor
> >    in their midst?  {shudder}
> >
> >                         daniel david mittleman
> 
>===========================================================================
> >                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
> 
> Personally, I shudder to think he is allowed to stay in this country, and
> especially in this province. Too bad there wasn't some way to have him
> shipped to Antartica or some such place where he wouldn't be such a
> bother to us normal decent people. We don't need paranoied nazis like him
> here. I'd like it if he'd get lost and permanently! And to think his
> crappy hate posts are costing the net thousands of dollars. What a waste
> of technology and money. What a waste of a little man he is.Sounds like some jew and faggot lover just doesn't appreciate criticism 
of deviates,and other vermin.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:09 PDT 1996
Article: 77257 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 04:48:41 +0700
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Investors,and intending Immigrants should seriously consider AVOIDING 
CANADA.

Some of the reasons include:
If you believe in traditional family values,then this no longer exists in 
Canada.Did you know that the faggot loving Canadian Government now gives 
special rights to perverts and homosexuals?This means that you and your 
family now run increased risks regardings AIDS and other STD from these 
perverts,apart from significant increased costs for health care.

Did you know that most of the so-called investor immigrants have in fact 
been swindled,according to all the reliable news media here in canada?Are 
you so desperate to leave Hong Kong,and other parts of S.E.Asia that you 
fail to take proper care in checking these so-called investments?Even 
senior government officials from Canada are involved in these 
multi-million dollar frauds,such as Mr.Dutton from Alberta,who took many 
millions from you. And he is just one of many thousands of swindles 
recently.

Anyone interested in further information is welcome to contact me,at

acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:10 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: FAGGOTS SPREAD AIDS-WHY PROTECT THEM?
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Dr.Grant Hill,MP, is completely correct in stating that faggots spread 
disease.

He is far too polite,since I am sure he also has read the acclaimed 
documentary book "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON",which also became a movie, 
which details how AIDS was spread worldwide,deliberately,by the faggot 
with Air Canada.This was even supported by the government of Canada.

Now,normal people all over the world must pay for these perverts and the 
astronomic costs for their medical care until they get cremated.

I feel that they should NOT GET SPECIAL RIGHTS,even if the faggot loving 
Canadian government wants to give them.

Is there any real use for disease spreading faggots?

In the old days faggots were burned,so is this practical now?



From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:11 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
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Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the 
faggots and lesbians.

The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the 
perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional 
family.

First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews 
want to destroy the family.

One must ask, WHY?


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:12 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
 
 In Alberta Canada Senator Ghitter,together with Bnai Brith and other
 jewish groups are openly supporting special rights for faggots and for
 more powers for the socalled human rights commission.

 These same groups campaign against citizens having either property
 rights,or even gun rights.
 
 Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder of unborn
 babies at his abortionariums,paid by taxpayers to add insult to injury.
 
 Hopefully,more and more sensible people will see the correlation between
 destruction of the traditional family,and family values,and the vermin
 involved in destroying families in Canada.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:13 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
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Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the
faggots and lesbians.
 
The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the
perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional
family.
 
First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews
want to destroy the family.
 
One must ask, WHY? Wasn't it enough that Christ was murdered?

Also,why are some ISPs now deleting messages on this topic?



From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:14 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,can.politics
Subject: Bronfmans transferred $2 billions
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 06:51:26 +0700
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Sun newspapers in Canada reveal that the Bronfmans transferred $2 billion 
in 1985 and 1991 as part fo a tax dodge.

The Auditor General of Canada complained that this scam cost the Canadian 
taxpayers billions in missing taxes.

In fact the news reports states that a conscientious official at Revenue 
Canada initially disallowed the money transfers, but that some senior 
snivel servant then arranged to allow it.

Don't forget that the Bronfmans are extremely active in the World Jewish 
Congress.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:15 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,news.admin.net-abuse.report,alt.revisionism,can.general
Subject: IS CAPRINA REALLY A NAZI?
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An allaeged female out of Calgary Canada seems to be a real life nazi.

Reasons for saying this include her claiming that any one who disagrees 
with her narrow view of supposed religion is a Nazi.How does she know 
this, unless she is herself a real Nazi, and thereby recognises her 
fellow travellers?

>From  her unbridled comments to the many critics of her in the past few 
weeks, either she is insane, or there is a sudden growth in the Alberta 
Nazi Party, care of Caprina.

Does Caprina give the stiff arm salute to Herr Hitler each day, or does 
she worship Herr Goebbels, who used the slogan, "repeat a lie often 
enough, and people will believe it".

I suggest that perhaps the federal regulatory authorities should 
carefully investigate the background of this creature. Perhaps CSIS is 
already investigating her for subversive activities???Who knows what her 
REAL agenda is, but it most definitely is NOT the subject of free speech.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:16 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:05:19 +0700
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T.K. wrote:
> 
> IF CANADA IS SO HORRIBLE WHY ARE YOU STILL THERE?  THINKING OF MIGRATING TO S.E.ASIA?
I am lucky, since I have British Citizenship.

I am considering relocating businesses to a better environment, such as 
perhaps Singapore, Malaysia or Indonesia.  I have lived and worked in 
these countries in the past, and as for preferred choice, I would have to 
recommend Lee Kwan Yew's nation.


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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:08:57 +0700
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Y.S.F. Kong wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 May 1996, William Grosvenor wrote:
> > If you believe in traditional family values,then this no longer exists in
> > Canada.Did you know that the faggot loving Canadian Government now gives
> > special rights to perverts and homosexuals?This means that you and your
> > family now run increased risks regardings AIDS and other STD from these
> > perverts,apart from significant increased costs for health care.
> 
>   Now that is really low,
> 
>     So what if the Canadian govt.gives rights to homosexuals? They are
> citizens too and should be given the same rights and privileges as anyone
> else,if they get special privileges then good for them. There is
> absolutely no way that you can contact AIDS or STD from them if you are
> not a homosexual yourself,not from blood transfusions because blood is
> screened first for viruses. You stand a better chance if you are a
> hetrosexual from being infected by a cheap hooker rather than from a
> homosexual especially since you have no sexual contact with them.
> 
>   I think that you are a bigot,plain and simple. A person should not be
> discriminated against just because of his sexual preferences.
> 
>                                                 FRED.Since you do not live in Canada, I will have to forgive your ignorance, 
on two key points.

First, it has been well documented in both the book, and later the movie, 
entitled "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON" that AIDS was spread worldwide, 
deliberately, by the Canadian faggot with Air Canada.

Secondly, the Canadian Red Cross have been investigated by the Krever 
Royal Commission here in Canada, regarding its' involvement in the spread 
of AIDS through distributing contaminated blood. Thousands of people have 
died,and are dying because of their involvement.Perhaps where you are, 
there have not been such calamities, for which you can be thankful.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:18 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 10:25:57 +0700
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William Grosvenor wrote:
> 
> T.K. wrote:
> >
> > IF CANADA IS SO HORRIBLE WHY ARE YOU STILL THERE?  THINKING OF MIGRATING TO S.E.ASIA?
> I am lucky, since I have British Citizenship.
> 
> I am considering relocating businesses to a better environment, such as
> perhaps Singapore, Malaysia or Indonesia.  I have lived and worked in
> these countries in the past, and as for preferred choice, I would have to
> recommend Lee Kwan Yew's nation.

One of the key points I made related to the many thousands of so-called 
immigrant investors, who had been deliberately swindled by con artists, 
into losing millions of dollars on questionable investments in Canada.

Many of these people were so desperate to leave S.E.Asia and Hong Kong, 
they failed to check the so-called investments.

Further, they did not know that the communist government of Canada 
charges from 50 to 76% Personal Income Tax,on just over $59,000 gross 
income!!!

Potential Immigrants to Canada are invited to contact me for further 
information, which may save you millions.

reach me either by reply, or E-Mail to acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:19 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
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Steve Sundberg wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor (acumen@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:
> : Investors,and intending Immigrants should seriously consider AVOIDING
> : CANADA.
> 
> : Some of the reasons include:
> : If you believe in traditional family values,then this no longer exists in
> : Canada.Did you know that the faggot loving Canadian Government now gives
> : special rights to perverts and homosexuals?This means that you and your
> : family now run increased risks regardings AIDS and other STD from these
> : perverts,apart from significant increased costs for health care.
> 
> I suppose your family would run an increased risk if they engaged in
> unprotected sex, were given tainted blood or shared a needle with an
> infected drug user.  Other than that, gettings AIDS is pretty damn
> difficult.  By the way, your homophobia is showing.
> 
> : Did you know that most of the so-called investor immigrants have in fact
> : been swindled,according to all the reliable news media here in canada?Are
> : you so desperate to leave Hong Kong,and other parts of S.E.Asia that you
> : fail to take proper care in checking these so-called investments?Even
> : senior government officials from Canada are involved in these
> : multi-million dollar frauds,such as Mr.Dutton from Alberta,who took many
> : millions from you. And he is just one of many thousands of swindles
> : recently.
> 
> Like the saying goes: buyer beware.
> 
> By the way, your xenophobia is showing.
> 
> --
> 
>                  \|/ ____ \|/     |  Steve Sundberg
>                  "@'/ ,. \`@"     |  deejay@mm.com
>                  /_| \__/ |_\     |  73617.105@compuserv.com
>                     \__U_/        |  steve.sundberg@tclbbs.comHow can you accuse me of xenophobia?

First, I have lived and worked in S.E.Asia, in Malaysia, Singapore, 
Indonesia and Taiwan. I even have a malaysian-Chinese wife.

Please but your brain into gear, before opening your mouth.

The warning to potential IMMIGRANTS TO CANADA is information to those 
interested,and concerned.


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Tony Buckland wrote:
> 
>  It is with a sense of deep disgust that I have seen the
>  proliferation of threads, each with a horrible vitality, in the
>  last few days with subject lines centering on the word "faggot"
>  and then branching out to include "Jew" and anyone else who
>  might not share the glaring gaze of fanaticism of the poster.
> 
>  In some token gesture of decency, may I here offer the hand of
>  friendship to those of my fellow-Canadians who are the targets
>  of these neo-Nazi clones.
> 
>  Am I one of those they love to despise?  I wouldn't dream of
>  giving them the satisfaction of seeing me hide behind some
>  mainstream barricade.  Let the spittle drool from their twisting
>  lips as they try to decide whether I'm gay or straight, Jew,
>  Christian or neither.  I will happily wear the yellow star or
>  pink triangle to confuse their ravening search and frustrate
>  their divisive aims.  As should we all.


You failed to answer the headline question, namely why are the Jews 
openly supporting the perverted faggots?

Even the prestigious Alberta report is wondering about the correlations 
in their issue of May 13,1996.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:21 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
Subject: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:29:39 +0700
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john rossetti wrote:
> 
>         It is obvious that the Liberal Party who are now governing our
> country are pro homosexuals in every respect.  It would have been a
> simple matter for Alan Rock to include in his notorious Bill 33 a
> definition of " family " that excluded two same sex partners as being
> a family.  This would have allowed his government to have their non-
> discrimination amendment to become law while at the same time satisfy
> the majority of Canadians who believe in the family values of a man and
> a woman, married legally, or a legally recognized common law marriage
> between a man and a woman.
> 
>         Canada is going to go right down the tubes as the Liberals
> continue to pander to all of the weirdo groups in the country. Where
> is the moral backbone that Canada used to have ?  Surely not in the
> Liberal Party.
> 
> John Rossetti

Many thousands of jobs for non-faggots will now be leaving Canada, as 
business owners such as myself rebel at being told whom to employ.

Sooner than hire faggots, I would sooner close down all operations in 
Canada, and relocate all the jobs in a faggot-free locale,such as parts 
of the USA, Singapore, or other parts of S.E.Asia, or even Mexico or 
Poland.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:22 PDT 1996
Article: 78035 of can.general
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Immigrant Investor Program -Many Swindled!!
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:27:08 +0700
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To: Tom Peng 

Tom Peng wrote:
> 
> (Karen):
> >Could be.  But then what you post here could be the result of
> >a poorly-supervicsed 'investment' system by immigrants that resulted in
> >the defrauding of immigrants by previously-landed immigrants, and now the
> >federal government is moving to put 'privately-administered' programs
> >under the eye of the provincial government.
> 
> (Tom):
> Karen, I failed to find any data that would backup your claim.
> Following is what I have found so far:
> 
> According to Gordon Sherwood, chair of the expert-private sector panel
> which advises the cabinet, reforms are aimed at "improving access to a pool
> of patient risk capital, and second, the need to ensure that the program
> remained attractive to immigrant investors."
> (http://cicnet.ingenia.com/english/new/inv_pre.html)
> 
> According to the article "Interim Immigrant Investor Program" on the
> Citizenship and Immigration Canada web site, Lucienne Robillard, Minister
> of Citizenship and Immigration announced plans to implement an interim
> Immigrant Investor Program. Proposed amendments to the regulations will
> partially lift the current moratorium by restoring the Minister's authority
> to approve new government-administered funds and extending offering periods
> for existing government-administered funds.
> (http://cicnet.ingenia.com/english/new/9609-pre.html)
> 
> Other information worth to take a look at, but failed to support your claim:
> 
> A Broader Vision: Immigration Plan 1996 Annual Report
> (http://cicnet.ingenia.com/english/new/report.html)
> 
> SPEAKING NOTES FOR THE ANNUAL LEVELS REPORT
> (http://cicnet.ingenia.com/english/new/state-en.html)
> 
> I would appreciate it very much if you can provide me with valid data to
> backup your claim.
> 
> (Karen):
> >The 'investor' program has been a sham since its introduction.  The
> >figures you quote are very misleading unless put into proper perspective:
> >The 'investor' program has raised more than $2.6 billion NATIONALLY over
> >the many years that it has been in place.  But who benefited from these
> >'investments'?
> 
> (Tom):
> I fail to see any attempt at misleading readers, Karen. This is what the
> article stated exactly:
> 
>   Alberta is one of the most desired locations in the country, with
>   private funds raising $90.8 million in 1995. Alberta is the base for more
>   than one-third of the 123 funds being marketed in Canada. The program has
>   raised more than $2.6 billion nationally.
> 
> (Karen):
> >It has been noted also on these forums that only 1% + of the
> >total number of immigrants to Canada are 'investor' immigrants.  And even
> >those 'investments' are now questionable and the government is having to
> >take over administration.
> >See the problem, Mr Peng?
> 
> (Tom writes):
> According to the Annual Levels Report, the previous Minister of Citizenship
> and Immigration Sergio Marchi reported that we should expect 18,000
> and 20,500 business immigrants to come here in year 1996.
> 
> Furthermore, he stated: "Since its inception in 1986, the Immigrant Investor
> Program has attracted business people who have invested more than $2.5
> billion in approved business and funds. This has created or maintained
> 17,000 jobs for Canadians."
> 
> Sergio Marchi also states: "Canada needs immigrants. I can't put it any
> more simply than that. Our country needs workers and investors to maintain
> and improve our standard of living. We need them to help us keep sparking
> our economy -- and to create jobs."
> 
> Total Immigration + Refugee numbers are projected at 195,000 and 220,000
> for year 1996.
> 
> (Source: http://cicnet.ingenia.com/english/new/state-en.html)

Surely you both should also be aware, that MOST of those putting money 
into the so-called Immigrant Investor programs, have resulted in those 
participating being SWINDLED!!Even in Alberta.

We had ther notorious DUTTON case, where an agent of the Alberta 
Government,in Hong Kong is now charged with swindling hundreds of these 
investors. The money was supposed to go into supposedly profitable 
shopping centres, but instead was embezzled into a questionable gold 
mine.Remember the story now?

Then there have been hundreds of other stories published in Calgary, 
Edmonton and Vancouver of other real estate based frauds.

So, the question still gets down to - who profited, apart from the con 
artists, some so-called immigration consultants,and some banks I 
guess????


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:23 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: ab.general,alt.revisionism,can.general,edm.general,tor.general,van.general
Subject: How Does Death sentence List Constitute Hate Crime?
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 08:05:33 +0700
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Walter Petelka wrote:
> 
> rnewell@vcn.bc.ca (colin newell) wrote:
> 
> >:]:  wrote:
> >:]
> >:]the following was snipped off grosvenors web page.....
> >:]
> >:]DEATH PENALTY to be provided for serious crimes, whether by males or
> >:]females, such
> >:]as for drug trafficking, multiple murder, repeat drunk driving, sexual
> >:]perverts, serious
> >:]sexual attacks, armed robbery, as well as criminal negligence resulting
> >:]in serious injury or
> >:]death.
> >:]
> >:]
> >:]I urge all USENET readers to send their opinions on this hate
> >:]material to the webmaster@compusmart.ab.ca
> 
> Disregard the ownership of the web page......how does the comment
> constiture "hate material?"
> 
> Walter Petelka
> idirect.com
> TORONTO, Ont..

Most normal people across Canada seem to support the list of crimes that 
should have a death penalty, so how does this constitute a hate crime?

Many have asked that home invasions, and armed robberies be added to the 
list.

Feel free to add your crime basis, worthy of extermination,so that once 
again justice may prevail, and cities again become safe.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:24 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: soc.culture.singapore,soc.culture.malaysia,can.general,hk.general,soc.culture.china
Subject: Re: IMMIGRANTS - AVOID CANADA
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Steve Sundberg wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor (acumen@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:
> : Steve Sundberg wrote:
> : >
> : > By the way, your xenophobia is showing.
> 
> : First, I have lived and worked in S.E.Asia, in Malaysia, Singapore,
> : Indonesia and Taiwan. I even have a malaysian-Chinese wife.
> 
> Bully for you.
> 
> : Please but your brain into gear, before opening your mouth.
> 
> Please put your* brain in gear.  The tone of your original post was
> disgustedly racist.
> 
> : The warning to potential IMMIGRANTS TO CANADA is information to those
> : interested,and concerned.
> 
> I'm concerned... about your racism.  I'm sure you haven't posted the same
> message in soc.culture.russia, soc.culture.brazil, soc.culture.germany,
> et al.
> 
> --
> 
>                  \|/ ____ \|/     |  Steve Sundberg
>                  "@'/ ,. \`@"     |  deejay@mm.com
>                  /_| \__/ |_\     |  73617.105@compuserv.com
>                     \__U_/        |  steve.sundberg@tclbbs.com

The article has been posted to those groups from which the majority of 
potential immigrants to Canada originates.

They deserve to be warned about swindles and other risk factors,such as 
risks to their health,in Canada.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:25 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: bc.general,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.australian,aus.politics
Subject: Immigration - Australia/Canada....
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:04:37 +0700
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Michael Jennings wrote:
> 
> In article <4nij7f$pj7@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, Andrew Chow  wrote:
> >Karen Gordon (ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> >
> >It is interesting that you are providing evidence for one facet against
> >your argument that Canada takes in more immigratns than any other
> >country.  Obviously we don't, from your data above, Australia has 22%
> >versus Canada's 17%.  I would be interested to know what their annual
> >rate would be.  Furthermore, are you suggesting that more immigrants
> >result in a more prosperous economy?  Hmmmm..  food for thought.
> 
>         Two things. Firstly, Australia's present rate of immigration
> is around 100000 per year total (ie that includes family, business,
> skill and humanitarian immigration). This is rather lower than it has
> been in recent years, for petty political reasons.
>         Secondly, the evidence that more immigrants result in a more
> prosperous economy is overwhelming. Some people will never be convinced,
> however.
> 
>         Michael
> --
> Michael Jennings
> Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics
> The University of Cambridge.
> http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/mjj12   mjj12@amtp.cam.ac.uk
> 
> "Much of what passes for quality on British television is no
> more than a reflection of the values of the narrow elite which
> controls it and which has always thought that its tastes are
> synonymous with quality" - Rupert Murdoch


It is NOT the NUMBEr of immigrants,that is bodies, that counts.

It is far more important whether they are workers, or even job creators.

Neither Australia, nor Canada needs useless garbage,such as faggots 
spreading AIDS, or so-called economic refugees from Israel or Russia, who 
are not even refugees,but just want to jump the immigration standards and 
live on welfare in canada at taxpayer expense.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:26 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: tor.general,ont.general,can.general
Subject: Re: NOTE ABOUT WILLIAM GROSVENOR - please read
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As the victim of what may be considereThe Bathtub Admiral wrote:
> 
> Prof. John Fekete, (via e-mail)
> Trent University
> Cultural Studies and English Literature.
> jfekete@trentu.ca.
> 
> Re:  sberry@ivory.trentu.ca (Tipsy McStagger) A.K.A
>         sberry@ivory.trentu.ca (formerly Peter Mansbridge's hair)
>         by463@torfree.net (Shawn Berry)
>         shawn@ptbo.igs.net (Shawn Berry)
> 
> Subject: Your "free inquiry and expression public statement" (copy appended)
> 
> Since Mr. Berry has launched a diatribe (quoted at length below) from an
> account at Trent University, despite the fact he maintains a number of other
> accounts, I feel compelled to  ask you to review his statements to determine
> if his statements  and deeds exceed what may be considered fair comment on
> the issue of Mr. Grosvenor, in the context of your position paper on free
> inquiry and expression.
> 
> In addition I would ask that you raise the issue of the content of his public
> post with the appropriate administration of Trent University to determine if
> his statements and deeds fall within the acceptable use policy for Trent
> University internet account holders, and are in fact condoned.
> 
> -----------begin repeat of sberry@ivory.trentu.ca post------------------------
> 
> >Hello. By now, you have already read (from the article I forwarded)
> >that Grosvenor's ISP, Compusmart, will not be renewing his account
> >but is still wanting to hear from people who have complaints.
> >I got a piece of e-mail from that sick turd, from his Edmonton Freenet
> >account (acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca), which I forwarded on to the
> >postmaster at Edmonton Freenet. His e-mail arrive almost moments after
> >I had posted the forwarded article to the groups he trolled.
> >Anyway, news administrators are being warned in the net abuse and
> >news-related newsgroups about Grosvenor and being cautioned not to
> >accept him as a customer (I can't recall the name of the dude who
> >wrote it, but he included all the sick turd articles he wrote as
> >evidence in the post).
> >In the meantime, let's all do the following and it'll help get rid
> >of William Grosvenor:
> >(a) if he posts, do *not* follow-up -- he's looking for attention
> >    (sadly, yesterday, I (like others) replied to his Zundel thing
> >     but that's the attention he seeks, I guess...)
> >(b) rather than follow-up, forward a copy of the offending post
> >    directly to his postmaster. Don't even bother sending a courtesy
> >    copy to the guy because he's likely compiling a list of people
> >    to kill or something, so why give him a reason to include you
> >    on his list.
> >(c) if you get e-mail from the guy as a result of your having replied
> >    to any article of his, his ISP still wants to know of his bothersome
> >    activities.
> >Send complaints to paulb@compusmart.ab.ca, as per the forwarded article,
> >and let's see this sick turd gone.
> >Those who are more inclined may choose to contact the RCMP hate crime
> >squad or CSIS and point out Mr. Grosvenor's activities. They actively
> >monitor individuals like him and take an interest in cyber-hate,
> >such that he and that Zundel guy are actively engaged in.
> >The number for CSIS in Toronto is (416)865-1480 but they also have
> >a 1-800 number, I think, in case you're long distance from a major city.
> >Shawn
> 
> >* Any unsolicited commercial e-mail and/or the inclusion of my user-id in
> >* any mailing list without my express prior written approval, including the
> >* receipt of a mass e-mail message and/or the unauthorized reselling of this
> >* user-id to mailing list vendors, will be met with a complaint to your
> >* internet provider. It is recommended you do not attempt these practices.
> >* Should you choose to ignore this warning, you will be subject to any remedy
> >* which may be exercised by your internet provider. You have been warned.
> 
> -----------end of repeat of sberry@ivory.trentu.ca post-----------------------
> 
>                       Trent University
> 
>                  December 1993 - January 1994
> 
>                 ON FREE INQUIRY AND EXPRESSION
> 
> WE, WHOSE NAMES ARE ATTACHED BELOW, HAVE SET FORTH THE FOLLOWING PUBLIC
> STATEMENT IN ORDER TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION AND POLICY
> FORMULATION CURRENTLY UNDER WAY AT TRENT WITH RESPECT TO ISSUES
> OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS:
> 
>     Taking positive note that, according to the University's "Mission
> Statement," Trent's first goal is "to create a teaching, learning, research
> and living environment fundamentally committed to the promotion of
> free inquiry and expression";
> 
>      Taking positive note, as well, of the affirmation of academic
> freedom in the Collective Agreement, as follows:
> 
>      "The common good of society depends upon the search for
> knowledge and its free exposition.  Academic freedom in universities is
> essential to both these purposes in the teaching function of the
> university as well as in its scholarship and research.  Academic staff
> shall not be hindered or impeded in any way by the University or the
> Association from exercising their legal rights as citizens, nor shall they
> suffer any penalties because of their exercise of such legal rights. The
> parties agree that they will not infringe or abridge the academic freedom
> of any member of the academic community.  Members of the academic
> community are entitled, regardless of prescribed  doctrine, to freedom in
> carrying out research and in publishing the results thereof, freedom of
> teaching and of discussion, freedom to criticize the University and the
> Association, and freedom from institutional censorship. Academic
> freedom does not require neutrality on the part of the individual.
> Rather, academic freedom makes commitment possible.  Academic
> freedom carries with it the duty to use that freedom in a manner
> consistent with the scholarly obligation to base research and teaching on
> an honest search for knowledge.  The claim of academic freedom shall
> not excuse members  from meeting the duties and responsibilities set
> forth [in the Terms and Conditions of Employment] provided that the
> allocation of such duties and responsibilities shall not  conflict with
> principles of academic freedom."
> 
>      Taking positive note, moreover, of an accelerating social project to
> identify and remove discriminatory barriers;
> 
>      We hereby reaffirm our commitment to unrestricted academic
> freedom and freedom of expression and inquiry in the university
> community as the indispensable framework for the fulfilment of
> the University's mission and also as the best and most hopeful
> support for non-discriminatory multiculturalism and gender
> equality within the university milieu.  Uninfringed and
> uncurtailed academic freedom in research, teaching, discussion,
> criticism, reading, writing, and publishing is the best
> underpinning for the work of the university and for its
> contribution to the social welfare of its members and to the
> broader good of society.  It offers the most humane and effective
> pathway toward inclusiveness, because it includes the freedom to
> differ, the freedom to disagree, and the freedom to get things
> wrong now and then.  More and better than any of the available
> alternatives, it protects diversity and equality in a complex
> social ecology.  By contrast, censorship, and other prohibitions
> on the freedom of expression, even if intended to promote
> harmony, are still forms of constraint that improperly limit the
> circulation of information and expression which are the lifeblood
> of higher education.
> 
>   Without limiting the preceding, we wish to affirm in particular
> the following:
> 
> 1.  We urge the University to lead, not in the restriction of
> free speech and academic freedom, but in its defense.
> Self-reforming and self-critical institutional discussion about
> social barriers to participation in the university's intellectual
> and cultural life, equitable employment, and access to social
> justice are recognized features of university life, and
> themselves depend on discursive freedom, which therefore should
> not be abridged in the process of discussion or as a result of
> it. The University should defend democratic freedoms, for itself
> and for others, especially those freedoms that are most vitally
> necessary to its own educational mission.  The restriction of
> expression  on account of its messages, ideas, subject matter,
> contents, or viewpoints, including restrictions on the free
> availability of reading materials, must be defined as
> unreasonable in a democratic university.  The fundamental right
> to express any thought, belief, or opinion, free from censorship,
> is an indispensable precondition for building democratic
> politics, cultures, and intellectual formations, for promoting
> equality and multiculturalism in a complex milieu, and for
> articulating the self-fulfilment of associated individuals.  In
> particular, content controls--including prescribed constraints on
> teaching, learning, and research, with respect to course and
> curricular contents and with respect to the freedom of students
> to develop intellectual autonomy--would fatally undercut the
> profound social commitment to a public system of higher education
> that is uninhibited, robust, and wide-open.
> 
> 2.  We defend, therefore, the right to certain types of speech
> and academic expression which, in fact, we do not condone, and
> in some cases deplore.  This includes the right to offend one
> another. It includes the right to express--and the right of
> access to intellectual materials which express--racially, ethnically,
> or sexually discriminatory ideas, opinions, or feelings,  just as
> it includes the right to expressions that favour inequality of
> incomes or benefits.  It also includes the right to make others
> uncomfortable, to injure, by expression, anyone's self-esteem,
> and to create, by expression, atmospheres in which some may not
> feel welcome or accepted.  A general right not to be subjected to
> such expression would undermine the right to question cherished
> assumptions that may be important for someone's comfort,
> complacency, affiliations, or identifications, and would cripple
> intellectual inquiry.  It includes, moreover, the right to use
> language in any traditional, quaint, or dated manner, because the
> regulation of such expression would both contravene the principle
> of free expression and also stifle legitimate debate on the
> proper relationship of language to social progress.
> 
> 3.  We accept, simultaneously, that the protection of these
> rights does not preclude the circulation of any information,
> whether stimulated by a particular occasion or systematically
> authorized and directed as part of an informational or
> educational program, which aims to challenge, criticize,  or
> condemn any of the sorts of expression covered above.  Nor do we
> wish to preclude either discussion on the desirability,
> effectiveness, or appropriateness, of any sort of expression,
> or the option of individuals to confront, complain about, or
> demonstrate against someone's expressions without fear of
> academic or administrative reprisals.
> 
> 
> *  NOTE: The Cultural Studies Program adopted this statement as a
> Program policy statement on December 2, 1993.  It gained the
> support of the Mathematics Department and the Spanish Section of
> the Modern Languages and Literatures Department in the following
> week, and the support of the Department of English Literature and
> the Graduate Program in Methodologies in January, 1994. In addition, by
> the end of January 1994, more than 40% of Trent's full time
> faculty on site had personally endorsed the statement.  This
> includes both senior and junior professors, male and female, from
> across the university, winners of teaching and research awards,
> chairs and former chairs, and former presidents and
> vice-presidents.  [For the list of names, please see the Trent
> gopher item Faculty Organizations/ Faculty Council/ On Free
> Inquiry and Expression (the associated names).]
> 
> For further information, please contact Prof. John Fekete,
> Cultural Studies and English Literature.  Telephone:
> 705-748-1771.  Fax: 705-749-2435 or 705-748-1795
> E-mail: jfekete@trentu.ca.
> .d unsavoury comments made by SBerry of TrentU about me, I agree that 
perhaps he should have his account for Internet at TrentU cancelled.

His unfounded attcaks on me personally, without any supporting 
documentation proving any hate material border on criminal actions.

It is not illegal in Canada to propose a possible political platform for 
a pending new right wing political party.

It is certainly not illegal to report that a well known Toronto 
researcher named Ernst Zundel is being featured in National Geographic.

It is not illegal to report that as a business owner I will refuse to 
hire faggots, and will sooner close down businesses,rather than endanger 
people to them.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:27 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: tor.general,can.general,ont.general
Subject: Re: (fwd) ERNST ZUNDEL IN NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:12:03 +0700
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Patricia Llewellyn wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 18 May 1996 sunshine@freenet.hamilton.on.ca wrote:
> 
> > Media across Canada today proudly announced that well known Toronto
> > businessman, Ernst Zundel is being featured in National geographic
> > Magazine.
> 
> 
> > His views on the increase in crime in Toronto,Canada included his
> > commentary regarding the increase in crime attributable to black
> > criminals.
> > Ernst Zundel is well known for his historical research into the accuracy
> > of alleged death counts in World war 2.
> 
> Historical my ass. He is preaching hate. I am completely disgusted by
> this man (I use the term man quite loosely in his case). People like him
> are and have caused major strife in the world. We don't need that kind of
> crap! Maybe if people like him started talking about acceptance and
> tolerance the crime rate would drop.
> 
> > He is a strong proponent of complete freedom of speech, and has been
> > persecuted for some of his views with which a powerful minority disagree,
> > since it doesn't agree with their version of what is truth.
> 
> He is just trying to do anything he can to cause anarchy. He doesn't
> really give a damn about free speech. He will do anything to spread his
> crap.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> "If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because
> he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears,
> however measured or far away."
> 
>                 Henry D. Thoreau


I do not recall having read anywhere that Mr. Zundel has ever been 
involved in advocating any sort of strife anywhere in the world.

Just because you disagree with his research, is no reason for YOU TO 
LIE!!Should you have any valid grounds for disagreeing with any of Mr. 
Zundel's researched conclusions, then please document where he errs.

Otherwise, one may assume that you may be a member of the group 
identified by Zundel as being responsible for the dramatic increase in 
crime in Toronto???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:28 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism,ont.general
Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:25:52 +0700
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Jason Smith wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor wrote:
> >
> 
> >
> > Many thousands of jobs for non-faggots will now be leaving Canada, as
> > business owners such as myself rebel at being told whom to employ.
> >
> > Sooner than hire faggots, I would sooner close down all operations in
> > Canada, and relocate all the jobs in a faggot-free locale,such as parts
> > of the USA, Singapore, or other parts of S.E.Asia, or even Mexico or
> > Poland.
> 
> Not even you, William, would be stupid enough to admit to being a
> business owner on the Internet in the same post where you espouse such
> views.
> 
> It would be far too simple for someone to do a little provincial
> research on you, identify the business you own and advise the Ministry
> of Labour that you're due for a practices audit.  I'm sure your postings
> would be of significant interest to them.
> 
> No, I don't think you really are a business owner, William.  My guess is
> that you are taking one more shot at a troll before your ISP gives you
> the yank.
> 
> Have a nice life.


Do you know that here in Alberta, there is no law protecting faggots, as 
yet?

It is completely legal to get rid of them from your business.Your 
attention is drawn to the lawsuit Vriend(the faggot) vs. Kings College as 
a typical court decision. In fact, the Province of Alberta has stated 
that it would bar any appeal of such decision,or/and would intervene 
against Vriend if he were to try an appeal.

There are quite a few places on earth where the governments know how to 
take care of the faggot problem.I suggest that you avoid Malaysia, 
Singapore, Indonesia, saudi Arabia, Pakistan for example.Even Poland is 
starting to take care of its' problem, which is why so many Polish 
faggots with AIDS are now entering Canada, as so-called refugees, so they 
can die here at Canadian taxpayer cost.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:29 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Bronfmans transferred $2 billions
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:30:08 +0700
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Roger Hubley wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor  wrote:
> 
> >Sun newspapers in Canada reveal that the Bronfmans transferred $2 billion
> >in 1985 and 1991 as part fo a tax dodge.
> 
> >The Auditor General of Canada complained that this scam cost the Canadian
> >taxpayers billions in missing taxes.
> 
> >In fact the news reports states that a conscientious official at Revenue
> >Canada initially disallowed the money transfers, but that some senior
> >snivel servant then arranged to allow it.
> 
> >Don't forget that the Bronfmans are extremely active in the World Jewish
> >Congress.
> 
> Why this stupid anti-semitic comment? The Bronfmans were able to
> transfer the money/estate funds because they are RICH and big
> supporters of the ruling political class in Canada -- the PCs and
> Liberals. Being jewish has nothing to do with it.

If being Jewish had nothing to do with the biggest tax scam in Canadian 
history, then why is it  the biggest tax scam in Canadian history?
> 
> The Rich can always hire the lawyers and accountants they need
> especially when these same lawyers and accountants make the laws.
> Remember J. Chretian is a rich corporate lawyer for the Bronfmans and
> Desmarais' of this world. The rules are always rigged for the benefits
> of the rich so surprise! -surprise! only the middle-class salaried
> slaves and working poor pay taxes ---
> 
> Regards ...... Roger


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:30 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:21:04 +0700
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Jason Kodish wrote:
> 
> In article <31A03B83.3E1D@compusmart.ab.ca> acumen@compusmart.ab.ca writes:
> >
> >Many thousands of jobs for non-faggots will now be leaving Canada, as
> >business owners such as myself rebel at being told whom to employ.
> 
> The sooner you leave Canada, the better.
> 
> >Sooner than hire faggots, I would sooner close down all operations in
> >Canada, and relocate all the jobs in a faggot-free locale,such as parts
> 
> Hell, all you want is the cheap labour.
> 
> --
> Jason Kodish
> Thirring Institute for Applied Gravitational Research
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Time is awake when all things sleep
> Time stands straight when all things fall
> Time shuts in all and will not be shut.
> Is, was, and shall be are Time's children
> O Reasoning,be witness, be stable--VYASA,the Mahabarata (AD 400)
> 
> Free enterprise employers, using their own capital, unlike slugs like 
Kaddish living off welfare statism, will definitely relocate where they 
can maximise their profits.

At the same time, where there is concern about lifestyle factors 
affecting my life, I will definitely sooner close down than run 
unnecessary risks.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:31 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
Subject: Re: FAGGOTS SPREAD AIDS-WHY PROTECT THEM?
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:10:59 +0700
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galaxy@mailserv.realtime.com wrote:
> 
> Both of your posts show an unbelievably low level of knowledge about
> AIDS, its causes,  homosexuals  and society in general.  Your  posts
> are also very revealing about your level of inteligence...or should I say
> the lack thereEdward Alford  wrote:
> >Protect them, of course..what would become of our flouwer arranging ,
> >interior decorating, and hair stylesit industries.
> >On Tuesday, May 14, 1996, William Grosvenor wrote...
> >> Dr.Grant Hill,MP, is completely correct in stating that faggots spread
> >> disease.
> >>
> >> He is far too polite,since I am sure he also has read the acclaimed
> >> documentary book "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON",which also became a movie,
> >> which details how AIDS was spread worldwide,deliberately,by the faggot
> >> with Air Canada.This was even supported by the government of Canada.
> >>
> >> Now,normal people all over the world must pay for these perverts and the
> >
> >> astronomic costs for their medical care until they get cremated.
> >>
> >> I feel that they should NOT GET SPECIAL RIGHTS,even if the faggot loving
> >
> >> Canadian government wants to give them.
> >>
> >> Is there any real use for disease spreading faggots?
> >>
> >> In the old days faggots were burned,so is this practical now?
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> AIDS and other STD's spread by faggots present a real health hazard to non-faggots, here in Canada,and worldwide.

The Krever Royal Commission into the role of the Red Cross in spreading 
AIDS infected blood is but one part of deliberate risk to normal people.

Have you all forgotten the direct involvement of Air Canada and the 
complicity of the Canadian Government in the original spread of AIDS??

AIDS was spread worldwide, deliberately, by the faggot with Air Canada. 
This is well detailed in the documentary book, "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON".


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:32 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
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Cathleen wrote:
> 
> On 12 May 1996 16:37:47 GMT, john rossetti 
> wrote:
> 
> >>      It is obvious that the Liberal Party who are now governing our
> >>country are pro homosexuals in every respect.
> 
> I guess I think of them more as "pro human rights."
> 
> >>  It would have been a
> >>simple matter for Alan Rock to include in his notorious Bill 33 a
> >>definition of " family " that excluded two same sex partners as being
> >>a family.  This would have allowed his government to have their non-
> >>discrimination amendment to become law while at the same time satisfy
> >>the majority of Canadians who believe in the family values of a man and
> >>a woman, married legally, or a legally recognized common law marriage
> >>between a man and a woman.
> 
> I've heard this argument many times in the past weeks... maybe you can
> answer a question that nobody else has been able to.... aside from the
> fact that I think a same-sex couple *can* make a family, I don't
> understand (so help me out, here) these things:
> 
> 1) How does a law, saying that gays cannot be discriminated against
> (for being gay) in the workplace, or in a store, or wherever, redefine
> "family?"
> 
> 2)  What scares you (and others) about redefining the family, anyways?
> I guess this is where you lose me... what will it hurt?
> 
> ~~Cathleen (catht@enterprise.ca)Have you, and all the other pro-pewrvert supporters forgotten, that 
canada Immigration for the past year has admitted many faggots with AIDS 
>from  Poland and other countries.

These vermin have been improperly admitted as "REFUGEES" on minister's 
permits,even though the UN does not call such garbage people refugees.

As a result, the stupid Canadian taxpayers, that is those not on the 
public trough(students included) are forced to pay for all the costs of 
dying/living until these get ready for cremation.

This is but one small cost, caused by the faggots, and which will wreck 
what remains of the Canadian economy.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:28:33 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general,ab.general,calgary.general,edm.general,tor.general
Subject: Is Caprina/Crapina really a Nazi?
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Caprina, or caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> Karen, you are nothing less than a malicious slanderer. I'll say this again.
> Nazi = sadist... If you outright call or just attempt to compare anyone
> who is not a sadist to a nazi, you are slandering.
> This paranoied idea that hate monging is free speech, and fighting that
> monumental verbal abuse is censorship is really wacko. So, you'd rather
> have some sickie promote violence, and have people acting out as a result
> of the hatred being promoted, instead of decent people who aren't into
> encouraging violence? If Hitler was living today, would you encourage him
> to spout his crap? Probably because if anyone protested strongly enough,
> you'd call them 'censors' and verbally attack them, just like you're
> doing now.
> The nazi movement and the kkk started with people like Grosvenor, the
> only difference is, Grosvenor isn't in a position of power like Hitler
> was, but who knows how many nutcases he and Dan67 are trying to recruit
> against Jews and homosexuals? If he's like this on the net, what's he
> like otherwise?
> That's what makes hate speech so threatening.
> So, if you can't think of anything better to do than cry 'censor' and try
> making me shut up by way of defamation, you're not gonna get anywhere.
> I'll say whatever the heck I want, and I'll do the same thing with your
> posts as with the e-mail you keep sending me. Skip them. When are you
> going to clue in that I don't want to hear from you? Why do you think I
> bounce your e-mails back to you and delete them from my mail box without
> reading them?
> 
> Just leave me the heck alone unless you want to take back all the whooey
> you've been spreading. The first might be a little easier for you, Karen.
> 
> In article <4nnisb$stg@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> Karen Gordon  wrote:
> > (caprina@cuug.ab.ca) writes:
> >
> >>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>--I'm not going to get into the issue of defending Grosvenor.  I think
> >>>  that his posts were amusing, comedy relief of a sort, if you didn't
> >>>  let them get to you.  I don't know how you could get more than amused
> >>>  by his hatred.  It is about as subtle as an outhouse.
> >
> >Caprina:
> >> What's amusing about it? it's sick. As I mentiooned before, hate like
> >> that can turn into violence. It has happened all through history. The
> >> movements all started with people abusing free speech and insiting
> >> opression of the groups they hate. Hitler is a good example of that.
> >
> >(Karen):  'Hitler' and naziism is a better example of the thoughts YOU
> >exhibit, Caprina, than does Grosvenor.  The Nazis also thought they were
> >the enforcers of all that was 'pure and good'.
> >The people of Canada are not stupid, Caprina - they know the difference
> >between a 'dangerous' person and a stupid one.  If you had been half
> >alert, you would have seen that the reader of these forums were 'taking
> >care' of Grosevenor pretty well without your brand of censorship.
> >
> >shane:
> >>>  As for Caprina:
> >>>  Did you ever consider:
> >>>    1) Some may think you are simply a lout who spouts crap, of another
> >>>       kind?
> >
> >Caprina:
> >> So what? if they prefer nazi drivel too someone who doesn't promote
> >> torture and murder, that's their problem, and IMO, it's a big  problem.
> >
> >shane:
> >>>    2) You may consider yourself one of the "normal people", but do others
> >>>       on this newsgroup?  Maybe some want you to get lost too.
> >
> >Caprina:
> >> Such as yourself? thank you, I just may feel the same way about you. So what?
> >
> >shane:
> >>>    3) Fanatics do indeed come in all types.  Some might find your
> >>>       religious references a little fanatical.
> >
> >Caprina:
> >> So what? Seems to me the "free speech at all costs" fanatics are just as
> >> radical and fundamental as the rrr people keep talking about. And, aren't
> >> you promoting censorship here? I could say you were since you seem to
> >> dislike religious people. It's not wrong to be religious, it's wrong to
> >> promote cruelty, and that's what hate monging is. But you'd rather have
> >> nazis than normal people, religious or not, right? Looks that way if you
> >> can defend a hate monger.
> >
> >shane:
> >>>  However, your beliefs that free speech, by everyone else, should
> >>>  be subject to the censorship of your own personal moral code is even
> >>>  more frightening and unjust, in my opinion.
> >
> >(Karen): ..... and often the trademark of 'religious' people who think
> >they're the only ones who have the answers as to what is right and wrong.
> >Perhaps if we all petitioned Caprina's provider to remove her account
> >each time she promotes her 'religious' views, which others don't want to
> >hear, she'll come to understand the issue?is it CVrapina, is definitely NOt a normal person in this part of Canada.

That is why I believe that she/it may in fact be a real NAZI.

Only real nazis do not want freedom of speech, and she/it certainly does 
not want any one who disagrees with her perverted views to be allowed 
freedom of speech as permitted by the Canadian Charter of Rights & 
freedoms.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:57:15 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
Subject: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 16:29:39 +0700
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john rossetti wrote:
> 
>         It is obvious that the Liberal Party who are now governing our
> country are pro homosexuals in every respect.  It would have been a
> simple matter for Alan Rock to include in his notorious Bill 33 a
> definition of " family " that excluded two same sex partners as being
> a family.  This would have allowed his government to have their non-
> discrimination amendment to become law while at the same time satisfy
> the majority of Canadians who believe in the family values of a man and
> a woman, married legally, or a legally recognized common law marriage
> between a man and a woman.
> 
>         Canada is going to go right down the tubes as the Liberals
> continue to pander to all of the weirdo groups in the country. Where
> is the moral backbone that Canada used to have ?  Surely not in the
> Liberal Party.
> 
> John Rossetti

Many thousands of jobs for non-faggots will now be leaving Canada, as 
business owners such as myself rebel at being told whom to employ.

Sooner than hire faggots, I would sooner close down all operations in 
Canada, and relocate all the jobs in a faggot-free locale,such as parts 
of the USA, Singapore, or other parts of S.E.Asia, or even Mexico or 
Poland.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:57:16 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: RACISM IS ALREADY LEGAL IN CANADA
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:01:42 +0700
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Alexander Baron wrote:
> 
> In article <4nggje$btt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> > Robert, please explain what you mean. Racism is not illegal in any part of
> > Canada. Many here, notably Ken McVay, are working to ensure that racism
> > stays legal.
> 
> Hee, hee, hee.
> 
> --
> 
> Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts
> 
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles PeguyRACISM IS DEFINITELY LEGAL IN COMMUNIST CANADA!!!

Through the socalled "affirmative action" programs of both the federal 
government and some provinces, it is now impossible for normal, white men 
to get jobs such as with the RCMP, or for that matter with the Fire 
department of Redmonton Alberta.

Organisations are hiring only certain ethnic people,rather than the best 
qualified.By this they will hire some foreign ethnics such as blacks,or 
homosexuals or whatever, just to meet a racist quota.

One must wonder, however, why did the Census not ask whether one is a 
faggot, so that they could give a TRUE figure as to what percentage are 
deviants???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:57:18 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism,ont.general
Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:25:52 +0700
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Jason Smith wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor wrote:
> >
> 
> >
> > Many thousands of jobs for non-faggots will now be leaving Canada, as
> > business owners such as myself rebel at being told whom to employ.
> >
> > Sooner than hire faggots, I would sooner close down all operations in
> > Canada, and relocate all the jobs in a faggot-free locale,such as parts
> > of the USA, Singapore, or other parts of S.E.Asia, or even Mexico or
> > Poland.
> 
> Not even you, William, would be stupid enough to admit to being a
> business owner on the Internet in the same post where you espouse such
> views.
> 
> It would be far too simple for someone to do a little provincial
> research on you, identify the business you own and advise the Ministry
> of Labour that you're due for a practices audit.  I'm sure your postings
> would be of significant interest to them.
> 
> No, I don't think you really are a business owner, William.  My guess is
> that you are taking one more shot at a troll before your ISP gives you
> the yank.
> 
> Have a nice life.


Do you know that here in Alberta, there is no law protecting faggots, as 
yet?

It is completely legal to get rid of them from your business.Your 
attention is drawn to the lawsuit Vriend(the faggot) vs. Kings College as 
a typical court decision. In fact, the Province of Alberta has stated 
that it would bar any appeal of such decision,or/and would intervene 
against Vriend if he were to try an appeal.

There are quite a few places on earth where the governments know how to 
take care of the faggot problem.I suggest that you avoid Malaysia, 
Singapore, Indonesia, saudi Arabia, Pakistan for example.Even Poland is 
starting to take care of its' problem, which is why so many Polish 
faggots with AIDS are now entering Canada, as so-called refugees, so they 
can die here at Canadian taxpayer cost.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:57:19 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,can.general,can.politics
Subject: Re: Bronfmans transferred $2 billions
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:30:08 +0700
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Roger Hubley wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor  wrote:
> 
> >Sun newspapers in Canada reveal that the Bronfmans transferred $2 billion
> >in 1985 and 1991 as part fo a tax dodge.
> 
> >The Auditor General of Canada complained that this scam cost the Canadian
> >taxpayers billions in missing taxes.
> 
> >In fact the news reports states that a conscientious official at Revenue
> >Canada initially disallowed the money transfers, but that some senior
> >snivel servant then arranged to allow it.
> 
> >Don't forget that the Bronfmans are extremely active in the World Jewish
> >Congress.
> 
> Why this stupid anti-semitic comment? The Bronfmans were able to
> transfer the money/estate funds because they are RICH and big
> supporters of the ruling political class in Canada -- the PCs and
> Liberals. Being jewish has nothing to do with it.

If being Jewish had nothing to do with the biggest tax scam in Canadian 
history, then why is it  the biggest tax scam in Canadian history?
> 
> The Rich can always hire the lawyers and accountants they need
> especially when these same lawyers and accountants make the laws.
> Remember J. Chretian is a rich corporate lawyer for the Bronfmans and
> Desmarais' of this world. The rules are always rigged for the benefits
> of the rich so surprise! -surprise! only the middle-class salaried
> slaves and working poor pay taxes ---
> 
> Regards ...... Roger


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 16:57:20 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
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Cathleen wrote:
> 
> On 12 May 1996 16:37:47 GMT, john rossetti 
> wrote:
> 
> >>      It is obvious that the Liberal Party who are now governing our
> >>country are pro homosexuals in every respect.
> 
> I guess I think of them more as "pro human rights."
> 
> >>  It would have been a
> >>simple matter for Alan Rock to include in his notorious Bill 33 a
> >>definition of " family " that excluded two same sex partners as being
> >>a family.  This would have allowed his government to have their non-
> >>discrimination amendment to become law while at the same time satisfy
> >>the majority of Canadians who believe in the family values of a man and
> >>a woman, married legally, or a legally recognized common law marriage
> >>between a man and a woman.
> 
> I've heard this argument many times in the past weeks... maybe you can
> answer a question that nobody else has been able to.... aside from the
> fact that I think a same-sex couple *can* make a family, I don't
> understand (so help me out, here) these things:
> 
> 1) How does a law, saying that gays cannot be discriminated against
> (for being gay) in the workplace, or in a store, or wherever, redefine
> "family?"
> 
> 2)  What scares you (and others) about redefining the family, anyways?
> I guess this is where you lose me... what will it hurt?
> 
> ~~Cathleen (catht@enterprise.ca)Have you, and all the other pro-pewrvert supporters forgotten, that 
canada Immigration for the past year has admitted many faggots with AIDS 
>from  Poland and other countries.

These vermin have been improperly admitted as "REFUGEES" on minister's 
permits,even though the UN does not call such garbage people refugees.

As a result, the stupid Canadian taxpayers, that is those not on the 
public trough(students included) are forced to pay for all the costs of 
dying/living until these get ready for cremation.

This is but one small cost, caused by the faggots, and which will wreck 
what remains of the Canadian economy.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 24 22:24:12 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <4n6k5i$8t4@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> bambi  wrote:
> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>We say please don't smoke near us because it makes it difficult
> >to breathe
> >>> and
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>makes us smell bad.  And all of a sudden we are Nazis who want to
> >
> >>>> >>persecute and ultimately kill you.  Did I miss something here?
> >>>> >
> No, what's happening is emotional blackmail at it's worst! They want to
> be able to trample all over people, they don't want to even try to
> respect the rights of other people, so when you object to their smoking,
> they call you a nazi in order to shut you up. It's the ssame with the
> fanatic animal rights people who call all meat eaters nazis, and the left
> wingers and right wingers throwing that lable around.
> It's emotional abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.
> The only time the term nazi can be properly applied is when that person
> or group of people is/are biggots, supporting the opression of another
> group just because of race, religion, skin color. Nazis are child
> molestors, rapists, killers, slavers, torturers, and feel they are
> superior to everyone else. They are addicted to power and delight in all
> kinds of abominable things that hurt people badly!
> So, I too, deeply resent anyone calling me a nazi just because I am not a
> vegan and don't smoke. I am not a sexual pervert or a sadist in any way
> at all.
> It's time the people who are emotionally opressed by those who lable them
> nazis when they in fact are not at all cruel, fought back. We're not
> gonna take this crap any more!
> 
> >>>> >>Steve
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Yes, Steve. Smokers are being persecuted. And when we are gone,
> >people
> >>>> >like yourself will be the focus of some government attack, but you
> >>>> >willhave forsaken personal rights by then.
> >>>> >--
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Question's anyone ?
> 
> Not. You chose to smoke, no one put a gun to your head and said "do or
> die", and now you're addicted.
> Why should other people have to breathe something that causes lung
> cancer just because you can't quit. If you want to smoke, that's
> really your problem and if you're kind enough, you'll do it somewhere
> where you won't bother anyone else.
> 
> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Bullshit! >>>>
> >>>> Smoker aren't being persecuted.  They are simply being asked to
> >respect the
> >>>> rights of others to not be forced to breathe their noxious exhaust.
> > That is
> >>>> not persecution - that is simply self-defense.
> 
> Ditto!
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>How can it be that you're so blind to the coming Holocaust aimed at
> >>>smokers?  Reread the facts presented on the Smoker's Home Page!
> >>>
> Oh honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Now you think all nonsmokers will engage in all kinds of monstrous
> sadistic activity, eh? Well, you're darn wrong! Furthermore, you're a
> pathetic paranoied whiner. I wish smoking was stopped altogether, but I'm
> not about to promote the gassing and torturing and killing of
> smokers!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather put up with smoke!
> 
> >>>           
> >>>
> >>>Could it be you won't acknowledge the facts because you're just a
> >>>Putitanical Nazi asswipe yourself?  You limpdick non-smokers make me
> >>>want to puke!  GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
> >>>
> Go back to school and learn the basics of kindergarten such as playing
> nice, and how not to make a complete idiot of yourself. Then come back
> and try debating.
> >>
> >>
> >>Here is the proof that smoking causes brain damage.
> >>
> Well, I don't think it was the smoking that did it, he's just totally
> wacko. he's the type that would be even if he didn't smoke.
> 
> >>Steve
> >
> >
> >steve,
> >
> >not all of us who smoke are that rude.  maybe he has male pms :).
> 
> Um, not all people with pms are even that rude. Methinks he suffers from
> some kind of desease that makes one think everybody's out to get them.
> Paranoia, I think they call it. Whatever, I am still utterly disgusted
> with the way the nazi lable gets thrown around where it doesn't belong!
> >
> >it is time that both sides realized we all have rights and we need to
> >stop try to force our opinions down someone else's throat.  just
> >because we don't like something, be it smoking, strong odors, auto
> >axhaust fumes or even overly loud music we DO NOT have the right to
> >force our opinion on another.  hell, isn't this  exactly why our
> >parents, grandparents and great grandparents came to this country.
> 
> Yes, but with freedom also comes responsibility not to abuse it.
> >
> >it's called freedom of choice.  if we choose to smoke in smoking areas
> >that's our right.  if you choose not to smoke that's your right, but
> >when 1 group demands that another give up their rights then that is
> >wrong.
> 
> If you smoke far enough away from us, that's ok, no complaints. You can
> blast your stereo all you want too as long as you're not infringing on
> someone else's right to sleep. It's when people don't care and they force
> their stuff on others who really can't hack it, that's when we run into
> troubles. And often the trouble is, the non smoking and smoking areas
> aren't really separeted well enough, so the problem isn't resolved
> effectively yet.
> 
> > >common respect for other people and good manners are
> what is
> needed >between smokers and nonsmokers alike.  smokers don't go into a non
> >smoking area and light up, and non smokers stay out of smoking areas
> >let both sides live and have peace.
> 
> Agreed. Now, if we could make it so the areas weren't so close to each
> other, maybe have two of everything, one restaurant for the nonsmokers,
> one for the smokers, some stores where it's ok to smoke, others where it
> isn't, and no smoking in the main hallways of a public building.
> 
> Caprina
> P.S. One of my best friends smokes, and she can't seem to quit. She
> wishes she never started.
> --
> "Look down,
> And show
> Some mercy if you can!
> 
> "Look down!
> Look down
> Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

Caprina seems to think that unless you agree with her, you must be  a 
nazi??

How would she/it know, unless she/it is a real nazi, and recognises 
others as such?

To force her stupid policies on everyone, whether it is legal or not 
certainly smells of nazism, wouldn't you say?

Why not have evry smoker in the world, let her know how you feel about 
Caprina as a nazi???


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Subject: CRAPINA IS A NAZI
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:48:36 +0700
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George F. Walker Sr wrote:
> 
> Falling to pieces wrote:
> >
> > caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> > : In article <4n6k5i$8t4@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> > : bambi  wrote:
> > : >
> > : >>>> >
> > : >>>> >>We say please don't smoke near us because it makes it difficult
> > : >to breathe
> > : >>> and
> > : >>>> >
> > : >>>> >>makes us smell bad.  And all of a sudden we are Nazis who want to
> > : >
> > : >>>> >>persecute and ultimately kill you.  Did I miss something here?
> > : >>>> >
> > : No, what's happening is emotional blackmail at it's worst! They want to
> > : be able to trample all over people, they don't want to even try to
> > : respect the rights of other people, so when you object to their smoking,
> > : they call you a nazi in order to shut you up. It's the ssame with the
> > : fanatic animal rights people who call all meat eaters nazis, and the left
> > : wingers and right wingers throwing that lable around.
> > : It's emotional abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.
> > : The only time the term nazi can be properly applied is when that person
> > : or group of people is/are biggots, supporting the opression of another
> > : group just because of race, religion, skin color. Nazis are child
> > : molestors, rapists, killers, slavers, torturers, and feel they are
> > : superior to everyone else. They are addicted to power and delight in all
> > : kinds of abominable things that hurt people badly!
> >
> > It is much more subtle than that. If you are a true nazi you
> > don't believe that the people who are inferior to you have rights in
> > the first place. The "nazi" term should not be used in any sense today.
> > It specifically relates to the set of circumstances which concern
> >  Germany 1933-1945. Used for any other reason is a misuse of that term.
> > If someone calls you a nazi then they don't know what they are talking
> > about.
> >
> > : So, I too, deeply resent anyone calling me a nazi just because I am not a
> > : vegan and don't smoke. I am not a sexual pervert or a sadist in any way
> > : at all.
> >
> > You don't have to be a pervert.. the issue is one of rights as you
> > correctly point out in the part of your message i have deleted.
> > Of course if you don't smoke then your rights are being threatened
> > by those who do. In which case they are the "nazi" to use their own
> > terms.
> >
> > : It's time the people who are emotionally opressed by those who lable them
> > : nazis when they in fact are not at all cruel, fought back. We're not
> > : gonna take this crap any more!
> >
> > The simple way to combat that is to turn it the other way around. If your
> > rights, which are set out in the constitution are being threatened by
> > these people.... well...
> >
> > :
> > : Not. You chose to smoke, no one put a gun to your head and said "do or
> > : die", and now you're addicted.
> > : Why should other people have to breathe something that causes lung
> > : cancer just because you can't quit. If you want to smoke, that's
> > : really your problem and if you're kind enough, you'll do it somewhere
> > : where you won't bother anyone else.
> >
> > It's your "right" not to be forced to breath other peoples smoke.
> >
> >
> > : Oh honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > : Now you think all nonsmokers will engage in all kinds of monstrous
> > : sadistic activity, eh? Well, you're darn wrong! Furthermore, you're a
> > : pathetic paranoied whiner. I wish smoking was stopped altogether, but I'm
> > : not about to promote the gassing and torturing and killing of
> > : smokers!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather put up with smoke!
> >
> > However, it is also a smokers "right" to smoke. If they kill themselves
> > well, that is completely their business.
> >
> >
> > : >>>Could it be you won't acknowledge the facts because you're just a
> > : >>>Putitanical Nazi asswipe yourself?  You limpdick non-smokers make me
> > : >>>want to puke!  GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
> >
> > Do what you like as long as you don't infringe upon anybodies rights.
> >
> >
> > : Um, not all people with pms are even that rude. Methinks he suffers from
> > : some kind of desease that makes one think everybody's out to get them.
> > : Paranoia, I think they call it. Whatever, I am still utterly disgusted
> > : with the way the nazi lable gets thrown around where it doesn't belong!
> >
> > It doesn't belong anywhere outside it's time.
> >
> > : >it is time that both sides realized we all have rights and we need to
> > : >stop try to force our opinions down someone else's throat.  just
> > : >because we don't like something, be it smoking, strong odors, auto
> > : >axhaust fumes or even overly loud music we DO NOT have the right to
> > : >force our opinion on another.  hell, isn't this  exactly why our
> > : >parents, grandparents and great grandparents came to this country.
> >
> > I'm sure some forcing went on somewhere along the line...
> >
> > : Caprina
> > : P.S. One of my best friends smokes, and she can't seem to quit.
> >
> > Won't.
> >
> > : She
> > : wishes she never started.
> >
> > Obviously she doesn't wish strongly enough. It is her choice.
> > HOG WASH All this to do about smokers is a farce I smoke and I also
> > buy them no one put a gun to my head to do so. I read about the idea
> > of smoking on airliners you would have to fly back and forth to LA all
> > day and night to get a trace of smoke if you are a non-smoker.Uh-Uh
> > Nazi is another thing. I haven't seen any lately have YOU????? If you
> > see any tell them Hitler is dead,Dead.Dead*****--
> MZ

Crapina  is  certainly acting like a true NAZI, when she accuses anyone 
and everyone who disagrees with her alleged version of history.

Perhaps she was a gauleiter in Poland, who knows, but she is certainly 
opposed to free speech, freedom of thought and similar normal rights.

Mind you, she/it does want special rights for perverts and other vermin.

Suggestions as to what should be done about her?


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May 25 00:54:34 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Is Caprina a Nazi?
Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 14:49:46 +0700
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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> 
> In article <4n6k5i$8t4@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> bambi  wrote:
> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>We say please don't smoke near us because it makes it difficult
> >to breathe
> >>> and
> >>>> >
> >>>> >>makes us smell bad.  And all of a sudden we are Nazis who want to
> >
> >>>> >>persecute and ultimately kill you.  Did I miss something here?
> >>>> >
> No, what's happening is emotional blackmail at it's worst! They want to
> be able to trample all over people, they don't want to even try to
> respect the rights of other people, so when you object to their smoking,
> they call you a nazi in order to shut you up. It's the ssame with the
> fanatic animal rights people who call all meat eaters nazis, and the left
> wingers and right wingers throwing that lable around.
> It's emotional abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.
> The only time the term nazi can be properly applied is when that person
> or group of people is/are biggots, supporting the opression of another
> group just because of race, religion, skin color. Nazis are child
> molestors, rapists, killers, slavers, torturers, and feel they are
> superior to everyone else. They are addicted to power and delight in all
> kinds of abominable things that hurt people badly!
> So, I too, deeply resent anyone calling me a nazi just because I am not a
> vegan and don't smoke. I am not a sexual pervert or a sadist in any way
> at all.
> It's time the people who are emotionally opressed by those who lable them
> nazis when they in fact are not at all cruel, fought back. We're not
> gonna take this crap any more!
> 
> >>>> >>Steve
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Yes, Steve. Smokers are being persecuted. And when we are gone,
> >people
> >>>> >like yourself will be the focus of some government attack, but you
> >>>> >willhave forsaken personal rights by then.
> >>>> >--
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Question's anyone ?
> 
> Not. You chose to smoke, no one put a gun to your head and said "do or
> die", and now you're addicted.
> Why should other people have to breathe something that causes lung
> cancer just because you can't quit. If you want to smoke, that's
> really your problem and if you're kind enough, you'll do it somewhere
> where you won't bother anyone else.
> 
> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Bullshit! >>>>
> >>>> Smoker aren't being persecuted.  They are simply being asked to
> >respect the
> >>>> rights of others to not be forced to breathe their noxious exhaust.
> > That is
> >>>> not persecution - that is simply self-defense.
> 
> Ditto!
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve
> >>>
> >>>How can it be that you're so blind to the coming Holocaust aimed at
> >>>smokers?  Reread the facts presented on the Smoker's Home Page!
> >>>
> Oh honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Now you think all nonsmokers will engage in all kinds of monstrous
> sadistic activity, eh? Well, you're darn wrong! Furthermore, you're a
> pathetic paranoied whiner. I wish smoking was stopped altogether, but I'm
> not about to promote the gassing and torturing and killing of
> smokers!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather put up with smoke!
> 
> >>>           
> >>>
> >>>Could it be you won't acknowledge the facts because you're just a
> >>>Putitanical Nazi asswipe yourself?  You limpdick non-smokers make me
> >>>want to puke!  GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
> >>>
> Go back to school and learn the basics of kindergarten such as playing
> nice, and how not to make a complete idiot of yourself. Then come back
> and try debating.
> >>
> >>
> >>Here is the proof that smoking causes brain damage.
> >>
> Well, I don't think it was the smoking that did it, he's just totally
> wacko. he's the type that would be even if he didn't smoke.
> 
> >>Steve
> >
> >
> >steve,
> >
> >not all of us who smoke are that rude.  maybe he has male pms :).
> 
> Um, not all people with pms are even that rude. Methinks he suffers from
> some kind of desease that makes one think everybody's out to get them.
> Paranoia, I think they call it. Whatever, I am still utterly disgusted
> with the way the nazi lable gets thrown around where it doesn't belong!
> >
> >it is time that both sides realized we all have rights and we need to
> >stop try to force our opinions down someone else's throat.  just
> >because we don't like something, be it smoking, strong odors, auto
> >axhaust fumes or even overly loud music we DO NOT have the right to
> >force our opinion on another.  hell, isn't this  exactly why our
> >parents, grandparents and great grandparents came to this country.
> 
> Yes, but with freedom also comes responsibility not to abuse it.
> >
> >it's called freedom of choice.  if we choose to smoke in smoking areas
> >that's our right.  if you choose not to smoke that's your right, but
> >when 1 group demands that another give up their rights then that is
> >wrong.
> 
> If you smoke far enough away from us, that's ok, no complaints. You can
> blast your stereo all you want too as long as you're not infringing on
> someone else's right to sleep. It's when people don't care and they force
> their stuff on others who really can't hack it, that's when we run into
> troubles. And often the trouble is, the non smoking and smoking areas
> aren't really separeted well enough, so the problem isn't resolved
> effectively yet.
> 
> > >common respect for other people and good manners are
> what is
> needed >between smokers and nonsmokers alike.  smokers don't go into a non
> >smoking area and light up, and non smokers stay out of smoking areas
> >let both sides live and have peace.
> 
> Agreed. Now, if we could make it so the areas weren't so close to each
> other, maybe have two of everything, one restaurant for the nonsmokers,
> one for the smokers, some stores where it's ok to smoke, others where it
> isn't, and no smoking in the main hallways of a public building.
> 
> Caprina
> P.S. One of my best friends smokes, and she can't seem to quit. She
> wishes she never started.
> --
> "Look down,
> And show
> Some mercy if you can!
> 
> "Look down!
> Look down
> Upon your fellow man!" - "Les Miserables" Musical.

Caprina seems to think that unless you agree with her, you must be  a 
nazi??

How would she/it know, unless she/it is a real nazi, and recognises 
others as such?

To force her stupid policies on everyone, whether it is legal or not 
certainly smells of nazism, wouldn't you say?

Why not have evry smoker in the world, let her know how you feel about 
Caprina as a nazi???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May 25 00:54:35 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: CRAPINA IS A NAZI
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:48:36 +0700
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George F. Walker Sr wrote:
> 
> Falling to pieces wrote:
> >
> > caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> > : In article <4n6k5i$8t4@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> > : bambi  wrote:
> > : >
> > : >>>> >
> > : >>>> >>We say please don't smoke near us because it makes it difficult
> > : >to breathe
> > : >>> and
> > : >>>> >
> > : >>>> >>makes us smell bad.  And all of a sudden we are Nazis who want to
> > : >
> > : >>>> >>persecute and ultimately kill you.  Did I miss something here?
> > : >>>> >
> > : No, what's happening is emotional blackmail at it's worst! They want to
> > : be able to trample all over people, they don't want to even try to
> > : respect the rights of other people, so when you object to their smoking,
> > : they call you a nazi in order to shut you up. It's the ssame with the
> > : fanatic animal rights people who call all meat eaters nazis, and the left
> > : wingers and right wingers throwing that lable around.
> > : It's emotional abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.
> > : The only time the term nazi can be properly applied is when that person
> > : or group of people is/are biggots, supporting the opression of another
> > : group just because of race, religion, skin color. Nazis are child
> > : molestors, rapists, killers, slavers, torturers, and feel they are
> > : superior to everyone else. They are addicted to power and delight in all
> > : kinds of abominable things that hurt people badly!
> >
> > It is much more subtle than that. If you are a true nazi you
> > don't believe that the people who are inferior to you have rights in
> > the first place. The "nazi" term should not be used in any sense today.
> > It specifically relates to the set of circumstances which concern
> >  Germany 1933-1945. Used for any other reason is a misuse of that term.
> > If someone calls you a nazi then they don't know what they are talking
> > about.
> >
> > : So, I too, deeply resent anyone calling me a nazi just because I am not a
> > : vegan and don't smoke. I am not a sexual pervert or a sadist in any way
> > : at all.
> >
> > You don't have to be a pervert.. the issue is one of rights as you
> > correctly point out in the part of your message i have deleted.
> > Of course if you don't smoke then your rights are being threatened
> > by those who do. In which case they are the "nazi" to use their own
> > terms.
> >
> > : It's time the people who are emotionally opressed by those who lable them
> > : nazis when they in fact are not at all cruel, fought back. We're not
> > : gonna take this crap any more!
> >
> > The simple way to combat that is to turn it the other way around. If your
> > rights, which are set out in the constitution are being threatened by
> > these people.... well...
> >
> > :
> > : Not. You chose to smoke, no one put a gun to your head and said "do or
> > : die", and now you're addicted.
> > : Why should other people have to breathe something that causes lung
> > : cancer just because you can't quit. If you want to smoke, that's
> > : really your problem and if you're kind enough, you'll do it somewhere
> > : where you won't bother anyone else.
> >
> > It's your "right" not to be forced to breath other peoples smoke.
> >
> >
> > : Oh honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > : Now you think all nonsmokers will engage in all kinds of monstrous
> > : sadistic activity, eh? Well, you're darn wrong! Furthermore, you're a
> > : pathetic paranoied whiner. I wish smoking was stopped altogether, but I'm
> > : not about to promote the gassing and torturing and killing of
> > : smokers!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather put up with smoke!
> >
> > However, it is also a smokers "right" to smoke. If they kill themselves
> > well, that is completely their business.
> >
> >
> > : >>>Could it be you won't acknowledge the facts because you're just a
> > : >>>Putitanical Nazi asswipe yourself?  You limpdick non-smokers make me
> > : >>>want to puke!  GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
> >
> > Do what you like as long as you don't infringe upon anybodies rights.
> >
> >
> > : Um, not all people with pms are even that rude. Methinks he suffers from
> > : some kind of desease that makes one think everybody's out to get them.
> > : Paranoia, I think they call it. Whatever, I am still utterly disgusted
> > : with the way the nazi lable gets thrown around where it doesn't belong!
> >
> > It doesn't belong anywhere outside it's time.
> >
> > : >it is time that both sides realized we all have rights and we need to
> > : >stop try to force our opinions down someone else's throat.  just
> > : >because we don't like something, be it smoking, strong odors, auto
> > : >axhaust fumes or even overly loud music we DO NOT have the right to
> > : >force our opinion on another.  hell, isn't this  exactly why our
> > : >parents, grandparents and great grandparents came to this country.
> >
> > I'm sure some forcing went on somewhere along the line...
> >
> > : Caprina
> > : P.S. One of my best friends smokes, and she can't seem to quit.
> >
> > Won't.
> >
> > : She
> > : wishes she never started.
> >
> > Obviously she doesn't wish strongly enough. It is her choice.
> > HOG WASH All this to do about smokers is a farce I smoke and I also
> > buy them no one put a gun to my head to do so. I read about the idea
> > of smoking on airliners you would have to fly back and forth to LA all
> > day and night to get a trace of smoke if you are a non-smoker.Uh-Uh
> > Nazi is another thing. I haven't seen any lately have YOU????? If you
> > see any tell them Hitler is dead,Dead.Dead*****--
> MZ

Crapina  is  certainly acting like a true NAZI, when she accuses anyone 
and everyone who disagrees with her alleged version of history.

Perhaps she was a gauleiter in Poland, who knows, but she is certainly 
opposed to free speech, freedom of thought and similar normal rights.

Mind you, she/it does want special rights for perverts and other vermin.

Suggestions as to what should be done about her?


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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
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Jason Smith wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor wrote:
> >
> 
> >
> > Many thousands of jobs for non-faggots will now be leaving Canada, as
> > business owners such as myself rebel at being told whom to employ.
> >
> > Sooner than hire faggots, I would sooner close down all operations in
> > Canada, and relocate all the jobs in a faggot-free locale,such as parts
> > of the USA, Singapore, or other parts of S.E.Asia, or even Mexico or
> > Poland.
> 
> Not even you, William, would be stupid enough to admit to being a
> business owner on the Internet in the same post where you espouse such
> views.
> 
> It would be far too simple for someone to do a little provincial
> research on you, identify the business you own and advise the Ministry
> of Labour that you're due for a practices audit.  I'm sure your postings
> would be of significant interest to them.
> 
> No, I don't think you really are a business owner, William.  My guess is
> that you are taking one more shot at a troll before your ISP gives you
> the yank.
> 
> Have a nice life.


Do you know that here in Alberta, there is no law protecting faggots, as 
yet?

It is completely legal to get rid of them from your business.Your 
attention is drawn to the lawsuit Vriend(the faggot) vs. Kings College as 
a typical court decision. In fact, the Province of Alberta has stated 
that it would bar any appeal of such decision,or/and would intervene 
against Vriend if he were to try an appeal.

There are quite a few places on earth where the governments know how to 
take care of the faggot problem.I suggest that you avoid Malaysia, 
Singapore, Indonesia, saudi Arabia, Pakistan for example.Even Poland is 
starting to take care of its' problem, which is why so many Polish 
faggots with AIDS are now entering Canada, as so-called refugees, so they 
can die here at Canadian taxpayer cost.


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Roger Hubley wrote:
> 
> William Grosvenor  wrote:
> 
> >Sun newspapers in Canada reveal that the Bronfmans transferred $2 billion
> >in 1985 and 1991 as part fo a tax dodge.
> 
> >The Auditor General of Canada complained that this scam cost the Canadian
> >taxpayers billions in missing taxes.
> 
> >In fact the news reports states that a conscientious official at Revenue
> >Canada initially disallowed the money transfers, but that some senior
> >snivel servant then arranged to allow it.
> 
> >Don't forget that the Bronfmans are extremely active in the World Jewish
> >Congress.
> 
> Why this stupid anti-semitic comment? The Bronfmans were able to
> transfer the money/estate funds because they are RICH and big
> supporters of the ruling political class in Canada -- the PCs and
> Liberals. Being jewish has nothing to do with it.

If being Jewish had nothing to do with the biggest tax scam in Canadian 
history, then why is it  the biggest tax scam in Canadian history?
> 
> The Rich can always hire the lawyers and accountants they need
> especially when these same lawyers and accountants make the laws.
> Remember J. Chretian is a rich corporate lawyer for the Bronfmans and
> Desmarais' of this world. The rules are always rigged for the benefits
> of the rich so surprise! -surprise! only the middle-class salaried
> slaves and working poor pay taxes ---
> 
> Regards ...... Roger


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May 25 01:13:49 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
Subject: Re: FAGGOTS SPREAD AIDS-WHY PROTECT THEM?
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:10:59 +0700
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galaxy@mailserv.realtime.com wrote:
> 
> Both of your posts show an unbelievably low level of knowledge about
> AIDS, its causes,  homosexuals  and society in general.  Your  posts
> are also very revealing about your level of inteligence...or should I say
> the lack thereEdward Alford  wrote:
> >Protect them, of course..what would become of our flouwer arranging ,
> >interior decorating, and hair stylesit industries.
> >On Tuesday, May 14, 1996, William Grosvenor wrote...
> >> Dr.Grant Hill,MP, is completely correct in stating that faggots spread
> >> disease.
> >>
> >> He is far too polite,since I am sure he also has read the acclaimed
> >> documentary book "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON",which also became a movie,
> >> which details how AIDS was spread worldwide,deliberately,by the faggot
> >> with Air Canada.This was even supported by the government of Canada.
> >>
> >> Now,normal people all over the world must pay for these perverts and the
> >
> >> astronomic costs for their medical care until they get cremated.
> >>
> >> I feel that they should NOT GET SPECIAL RIGHTS,even if the faggot loving
> >
> >> Canadian government wants to give them.
> >>
> >> Is there any real use for disease spreading faggots?
> >>
> >> In the old days faggots were burned,so is this practical now?
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> AIDS and other STD's spread by faggots present a real health hazard to non-faggots, here in Canada,and worldwide.

The Krever Royal Commission into the role of the Red Cross in spreading 
AIDS infected blood is but one part of deliberate risk to normal people.

Have you all forgotten the direct involvement of Air Canada and the 
complicity of the Canadian Government in the original spread of AIDS??

AIDS was spread worldwide, deliberately, by the faggot with Air Canada. 
This is well detailed in the documentary book, "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON".


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May 25 01:13:50 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
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Cathleen wrote:
> 
> On 12 May 1996 16:37:47 GMT, john rossetti 
> wrote:
> 
> >>      It is obvious that the Liberal Party who are now governing our
> >>country are pro homosexuals in every respect.
> 
> I guess I think of them more as "pro human rights."
> 
> >>  It would have been a
> >>simple matter for Alan Rock to include in his notorious Bill 33 a
> >>definition of " family " that excluded two same sex partners as being
> >>a family.  This would have allowed his government to have their non-
> >>discrimination amendment to become law while at the same time satisfy
> >>the majority of Canadians who believe in the family values of a man and
> >>a woman, married legally, or a legally recognized common law marriage
> >>between a man and a woman.
> 
> I've heard this argument many times in the past weeks... maybe you can
> answer a question that nobody else has been able to.... aside from the
> fact that I think a same-sex couple *can* make a family, I don't
> understand (so help me out, here) these things:
> 
> 1) How does a law, saying that gays cannot be discriminated against
> (for being gay) in the workplace, or in a store, or wherever, redefine
> "family?"
> 
> 2)  What scares you (and others) about redefining the family, anyways?
> I guess this is where you lose me... what will it hurt?
> 
> ~~Cathleen (catht@enterprise.ca)Have you, and all the other pro-pewrvert supporters forgotten, that 
canada Immigration for the past year has admitted many faggots with AIDS 
>from  Poland and other countries.

These vermin have been improperly admitted as "REFUGEES" on minister's 
permits,even though the UN does not call such garbage people refugees.

As a result, the stupid Canadian taxpayers, that is those not on the 
public trough(students included) are forced to pay for all the costs of 
dying/living until these get ready for cremation.

This is but one small cost, caused by the faggots, and which will wreck 
what remains of the Canadian economy.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May 25 01:13:51 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: CRAPINA IS A NAZI
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:48:36 +0700
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George F. Walker Sr wrote:
> 
> Falling to pieces wrote:
> >
> > caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> > : In article <4n6k5i$8t4@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> > : bambi  wrote:
> > : >
> > : >>>> >
> > : >>>> >>We say please don't smoke near us because it makes it difficult
> > : >to breathe
> > : >>> and
> > : >>>> >
> > : >>>> >>makes us smell bad.  And all of a sudden we are Nazis who want to
> > : >
> > : >>>> >>persecute and ultimately kill you.  Did I miss something here?
> > : >>>> >
> > : No, what's happening is emotional blackmail at it's worst! They want to
> > : be able to trample all over people, they don't want to even try to
> > : respect the rights of other people, so when you object to their smoking,
> > : they call you a nazi in order to shut you up. It's the ssame with the
> > : fanatic animal rights people who call all meat eaters nazis, and the left
> > : wingers and right wingers throwing that lable around.
> > : It's emotional abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.
> > : The only time the term nazi can be properly applied is when that person
> > : or group of people is/are biggots, supporting the opression of another
> > : group just because of race, religion, skin color. Nazis are child
> > : molestors, rapists, killers, slavers, torturers, and feel they are
> > : superior to everyone else. They are addicted to power and delight in all
> > : kinds of abominable things that hurt people badly!
> >
> > It is much more subtle than that. If you are a true nazi you
> > don't believe that the people who are inferior to you have rights in
> > the first place. The "nazi" term should not be used in any sense today.
> > It specifically relates to the set of circumstances which concern
> >  Germany 1933-1945. Used for any other reason is a misuse of that term.
> > If someone calls you a nazi then they don't know what they are talking
> > about.
> >
> > : So, I too, deeply resent anyone calling me a nazi just because I am not a
> > : vegan and don't smoke. I am not a sexual pervert or a sadist in any way
> > : at all.
> >
> > You don't have to be a pervert.. the issue is one of rights as you
> > correctly point out in the part of your message i have deleted.
> > Of course if you don't smoke then your rights are being threatened
> > by those who do. In which case they are the "nazi" to use their own
> > terms.
> >
> > : It's time the people who are emotionally opressed by those who lable them
> > : nazis when they in fact are not at all cruel, fought back. We're not
> > : gonna take this crap any more!
> >
> > The simple way to combat that is to turn it the other way around. If your
> > rights, which are set out in the constitution are being threatened by
> > these people.... well...
> >
> > :
> > : Not. You chose to smoke, no one put a gun to your head and said "do or
> > : die", and now you're addicted.
> > : Why should other people have to breathe something that causes lung
> > : cancer just because you can't quit. If you want to smoke, that's
> > : really your problem and if you're kind enough, you'll do it somewhere
> > : where you won't bother anyone else.
> >
> > It's your "right" not to be forced to breath other peoples smoke.
> >
> >
> > : Oh honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > : Now you think all nonsmokers will engage in all kinds of monstrous
> > : sadistic activity, eh? Well, you're darn wrong! Furthermore, you're a
> > : pathetic paranoied whiner. I wish smoking was stopped altogether, but I'm
> > : not about to promote the gassing and torturing and killing of
> > : smokers!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather put up with smoke!
> >
> > However, it is also a smokers "right" to smoke. If they kill themselves
> > well, that is completely their business.
> >
> >
> > : >>>Could it be you won't acknowledge the facts because you're just a
> > : >>>Putitanical Nazi asswipe yourself?  You limpdick non-smokers make me
> > : >>>want to puke!  GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
> >
> > Do what you like as long as you don't infringe upon anybodies rights.
> >
> >
> > : Um, not all people with pms are even that rude. Methinks he suffers from
> > : some kind of desease that makes one think everybody's out to get them.
> > : Paranoia, I think they call it. Whatever, I am still utterly disgusted
> > : with the way the nazi lable gets thrown around where it doesn't belong!
> >
> > It doesn't belong anywhere outside it's time.
> >
> > : >it is time that both sides realized we all have rights and we need to
> > : >stop try to force our opinions down someone else's throat.  just
> > : >because we don't like something, be it smoking, strong odors, auto
> > : >axhaust fumes or even overly loud music we DO NOT have the right to
> > : >force our opinion on another.  hell, isn't this  exactly why our
> > : >parents, grandparents and great grandparents came to this country.
> >
> > I'm sure some forcing went on somewhere along the line...
> >
> > : Caprina
> > : P.S. One of my best friends smokes, and she can't seem to quit.
> >
> > Won't.
> >
> > : She
> > : wishes she never started.
> >
> > Obviously she doesn't wish strongly enough. It is her choice.
> > HOG WASH All this to do about smokers is a farce I smoke and I also
> > buy them no one put a gun to my head to do so. I read about the idea
> > of smoking on airliners you would have to fly back and forth to LA all
> > day and night to get a trace of smoke if you are a non-smoker.Uh-Uh
> > Nazi is another thing. I haven't seen any lately have YOU????? If you
> > see any tell them Hitler is dead,Dead.Dead*****--
> MZ

Crapina  is  certainly acting like a true NAZI, when she accuses anyone 
and everyone who disagrees with her alleged version of history.

Perhaps she was a gauleiter in Poland, who knows, but she is certainly 
opposed to free speech, freedom of thought and similar normal rights.

Mind you, she/it does want special rights for perverts and other vermin.

Suggestions as to what should be done about her?


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Sat May 25 01:47:06 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
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Subject: Re: Why NOT Invent AIDS?
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:35:37 +0700
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netwolf wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 15 May 1996 14:12:30 -0400, "Erik D. Freeman"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Why wouldn't someone invent AIDS?  World leader from Octavian Ceaser to
> >>Napeleon have tried to inact moral reforms.  Their efforts were all in
> >>vain.  Why not force people?  Doesn't AIDS support monogomy(sp)?  Also,
> >>from a darministic view, AIDS now only effects the careless and
> >>educated.  Loyal marriages and less educated people?  Sounds grand to
> >>me.
> 
> 
> 
> >>Erik D. Freeman
> 
>  clambert@cris.com (Craig Lambert) replied:
> 
> >Your freedom to be both a babbling idiot and a moral cretin is
> >fortunately intact.
> 
> 
> 
> >You have a moral curse more foul than failure to be monogamous resting
> >on your heart, Mr. Freeman.  Offense intended.
> >Craig Lambert
> 
> I, however, am willing to consider Mr. Freeman's position and its
> corollaries without characterizing him as the Anti-christ.
> 
> Nature is ruthless. It cares nothing for the Means, and only for the
> Ends. I think it is perfectly arguable, reasonable, and moral to posit
> AIDS as nature's way of thinning the herd.
> 
> mike 1.45AIDS is definitely one of Mother nature's best ways to select only the 
fittest of the species of mankind to survive.

However, do not forget that AIDS is almost exclusively a LIFESTYLE 
CHOICE of those perverts who indulge themselves as faggots.

AIDS was deliberately spread worldwide by the Canadian faggot with Air 
Canada. This is irrefutably documented in the book "AND THE BAND PLAYED 
ON".

Hopefully, all those diseased vermin will soon die, so that the rest of 
humanity can go back to doing their normal activities.


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George F. Walker Sr wrote:
> 
> Falling to pieces wrote:
> >
> > caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> > : In article <4n6k5i$8t4@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
> > : bambi  wrote:
> > : >
> > : >>>> >
> > : >>>> >>We say please don't smoke near us because it makes it difficult
> > : >to breathe
> > : >>> and
> > : >>>> >
> > : >>>> >>makes us smell bad.  And all of a sudden we are Nazis who want to
> > : >
> > : >>>> >>persecute and ultimately kill you.  Did I miss something here?
> > : >>>> >
> > : No, what's happening is emotional blackmail at it's worst! They want to
> > : be able to trample all over people, they don't want to even try to
> > : respect the rights of other people, so when you object to their smoking,
> > : they call you a nazi in order to shut you up. It's the ssame with the
> > : fanatic animal rights people who call all meat eaters nazis, and the left
> > : wingers and right wingers throwing that lable around.
> > : It's emotional abuse and shouldn't be tolerated.
> > : The only time the term nazi can be properly applied is when that person
> > : or group of people is/are biggots, supporting the opression of another
> > : group just because of race, religion, skin color. Nazis are child
> > : molestors, rapists, killers, slavers, torturers, and feel they are
> > : superior to everyone else. They are addicted to power and delight in all
> > : kinds of abominable things that hurt people badly!
> >
> > It is much more subtle than that. If you are a true nazi you
> > don't believe that the people who are inferior to you have rights in
> > the first place. The "nazi" term should not be used in any sense today.
> > It specifically relates to the set of circumstances which concern
> >  Germany 1933-1945. Used for any other reason is a misuse of that term.
> > If someone calls you a nazi then they don't know what they are talking
> > about.
> >
> > : So, I too, deeply resent anyone calling me a nazi just because I am not a
> > : vegan and don't smoke. I am not a sexual pervert or a sadist in any way
> > : at all.
> >
> > You don't have to be a pervert.. the issue is one of rights as you
> > correctly point out in the part of your message i have deleted.
> > Of course if you don't smoke then your rights are being threatened
> > by those who do. In which case they are the "nazi" to use their own
> > terms.
> >
> > : It's time the people who are emotionally opressed by those who lable them
> > : nazis when they in fact are not at all cruel, fought back. We're not
> > : gonna take this crap any more!
> >
> > The simple way to combat that is to turn it the other way around. If your
> > rights, which are set out in the constitution are being threatened by
> > these people.... well...
> >
> > :
> > : Not. You chose to smoke, no one put a gun to your head and said "do or
> > : die", and now you're addicted.
> > : Why should other people have to breathe something that causes lung
> > : cancer just because you can't quit. If you want to smoke, that's
> > : really your problem and if you're kind enough, you'll do it somewhere
> > : where you won't bother anyone else.
> >
> > It's your "right" not to be forced to breath other peoples smoke.
> >
> >
> > : Oh honestly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > : Now you think all nonsmokers will engage in all kinds of monstrous
> > : sadistic activity, eh? Well, you're darn wrong! Furthermore, you're a
> > : pathetic paranoied whiner. I wish smoking was stopped altogether, but I'm
> > : not about to promote the gassing and torturing and killing of
> > : smokers!!!!!!!!!! I'd rather put up with smoke!
> >
> > However, it is also a smokers "right" to smoke. If they kill themselves
> > well, that is completely their business.
> >
> >
> > : >>>Could it be you won't acknowledge the facts because you're just a
> > : >>>Putitanical Nazi asswipe yourself?  You limpdick non-smokers make me
> > : >>>want to puke!  GO FUCK YOURSELVES!
> >
> > Do what you like as long as you don't infringe upon anybodies rights.
> >
> >
> > : Um, not all people with pms are even that rude. Methinks he suffers from
> > : some kind of desease that makes one think everybody's out to get them.
> > : Paranoia, I think they call it. Whatever, I am still utterly disgusted
> > : with the way the nazi lable gets thrown around where it doesn't belong!
> >
> > It doesn't belong anywhere outside it's time.
> >
> > : >it is time that both sides realized we all have rights and we need to
> > : >stop try to force our opinions down someone else's throat.  just
> > : >because we don't like something, be it smoking, strong odors, auto
> > : >axhaust fumes or even overly loud music we DO NOT have the right to
> > : >force our opinion on another.  hell, isn't this  exactly why our
> > : >parents, grandparents and great grandparents came to this country.
> >
> > I'm sure some forcing went on somewhere along the line...
> >
> > : Caprina
> > : P.S. One of my best friends smokes, and she can't seem to quit.
> >
> > Won't.
> >
> > : She
> > : wishes she never started.
> >
> > Obviously she doesn't wish strongly enough. It is her choice.
> > HOG WASH All this to do about smokers is a farce I smoke and I also
> > buy them no one put a gun to my head to do so. I read about the idea
> > of smoking on airliners you would have to fly back and forth to LA all
> > day and night to get a trace of smoke if you are a non-smoker.Uh-Uh
> > Nazi is another thing. I haven't seen any lately have YOU????? If you
> > see any tell them Hitler is dead,Dead.Dead*****--
> MZ

Crapina  is  certainly acting like a true NAZI, when she accuses anyone 
and everyone who disagrees with her alleged version of history.

Perhaps she was a gauleiter in Poland, who knows, but she is certainly 
opposed to free speech, freedom of thought and similar normal rights.

Mind you, she/it does want special rights for perverts and other vermin.

Suggestions as to what should be done about her?


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Mon May 27 15:46:27 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.nationalism.white,alt.revisionism,alt.skinheads,can.politics,soc.culture.canada
Subject: RACISM IS ALREADY LEGAL IN CANADA
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:01:42 +0700
Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
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Alexander Baron wrote:
> 
> In article <4nggje$btt@Networking.Stanford.EDU> rich@c2.org "Rich Graves" writes:
> > Robert, please explain what you mean. Racism is not illegal in any part of
> > Canada. Many here, notably Ken McVay, are working to ensure that racism
> > stays legal.
> 
> Hee, hee, hee.
> 
> --
> 
> Alexander Baron: InFoText Manuscripts
> 
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles PeguyRACISM IS DEFINITELY LEGAL IN COMMUNIST CANADA!!!

Through the socalled "affirmative action" programs of both the federal 
government and some provinces, it is now impossible for normal, white men 
to get jobs such as with the RCMP, or for that matter with the Fire 
department of Redmonton Alberta.

Organisations are hiring only certain ethnic people,rather than the best 
qualified.By this they will hire some foreign ethnics such as blacks,or 
homosexuals or whatever, just to meet a racist quota.

One must wonder, however, why did the Census not ask whether one is a 
faggot, so that they could give a TRUE figure as to what percentage are 
deviants???


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Mon May 27 15:46:28 PDT 1996
Article: 88657 of soc.culture.canada
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: bc.general,ont.general,can.general,soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.australian,aus.politics
Subject: Immigration - Australia/Canada....
Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:04:37 +0700
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Michael Jennings wrote:
> 
> In article <4nij7f$pj7@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, Andrew Chow  wrote:
> >Karen Gordon (ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> >
> >It is interesting that you are providing evidence for one facet against
> >your argument that Canada takes in more immigratns than any other
> >country.  Obviously we don't, from your data above, Australia has 22%
> >versus Canada's 17%.  I would be interested to know what their annual
> >rate would be.  Furthermore, are you suggesting that more immigrants
> >result in a more prosperous economy?  Hmmmm..  food for thought.
> 
>         Two things. Firstly, Australia's present rate of immigration
> is around 100000 per year total (ie that includes family, business,
> skill and humanitarian immigration). This is rather lower than it has
> been in recent years, for petty political reasons.
>         Secondly, the evidence that more immigrants result in a more
> prosperous economy is overwhelming. Some people will never be convinced,
> however.
> 
>         Michael
> --
> Michael Jennings
> Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics
> The University of Cambridge.
> http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/mjj12   mjj12@amtp.cam.ac.uk
> 
> "Much of what passes for quality on British television is no
> more than a reflection of the values of the narrow elite which
> controls it and which has always thought that its tastes are
> synonymous with quality" - Rupert Murdoch


It is NOT the NUMBEr of immigrants,that is bodies, that counts.

It is far more important whether they are workers, or even job creators.

Neither Australia, nor Canada needs useless garbage,such as faggots 
spreading AIDS, or so-called economic refugees from Israel or Russia, who 
are not even refugees,but just want to jump the immigration standards and 
live on welfare in canada at taxpayer expense.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Mon May 27 16:21:51 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: Who is pro-nazi? - HATE CRIME
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:40:14 +0700
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To: Marcel Poupart 

Marcel Poupart wrote:
> 
>  Golly gee, Just gotta agree with Caprina here... goofs like KG
> 
> are absolutely the bad guys...  People who advocate the removal
> 
> or exclusion or destruction of about a third of the human race
> 
> are way worse than those who just want a few rules... a little
> 
> oganization...Hell.. KG is just a fake name for one of Zundels
> 
> little skinheads anyway....
> --
> All opinions expressed arrive faster than those in regular mail!


Where did you come up with your one-third factor?

Is this the percentage of people YOU wish to eliminate?Please itemise the 
categories, so we can all know which groups you feel undeserving of 
existence.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Mon May 27 16:21:51 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general
Subject: Re: William Grosevenor is dying of AIDS!
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 12:42:04 +0700
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To: Marcel Poupart 

Marcel Poupart wrote:
> 
> Please take pity on this poor diseased old man...he is just upset
> 
> that he is dying slowly and lashes out because he feels guilt
> 
> about his former career as a male prostitute.......
> --
> All opinions expressed arrive faster than those in regular mail!

You are obviously a diseased faggot, yourself dying of AIDS.

Your lies will probably cause your diseased brain to accelerate the death 
you deserve.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Mon May 27 16:21:52 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.general,tor.general,ab.general,van.general,mtl.general,ott.general,edm.general
Subject: Re: Support AFL - ANTI FAGGOT LEAGUE
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 14:41:03 +0700
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Scott wrote:
> 
> mcbride@ee.ualberta.ca (Darin McBride) writes:
> > ron (lovebite@io.org) wrote:
> > > mcbride@ee.ualberta.ca (Darin McBride) wrote:
> > > >ron (lovebite@io.org) wrote:
> >
> >I'm looking to a future where anti-discrimination is forced, rather than
> > learned.  I'm looking to a future where children's respect for their
> > parents is diminishing, and, worse, their respect for authority of any
> > kind, and the laws of the land.  I'm looking to a future where you have
> > to have a speech writer just to talk to the lady in your office lest she
> > think you are sexually harrassing her despite already being happily
> > married.  I'm looking at a future where the elderly are 'expected' to
> > die to be less of a burden on society, regardless of their past actions.
> > I'm looking at a future where criminals are treated better than victims
> > in the court of law, as if they weren't already mal-treated by the
> > criminal.  I'm looking at a future where the 'nice' approach to
> > criminals result in their greater ability to escape [Canada's first
> > Prison for Women has had over 10 escapees in the first 6 months of
> > operation].
> >
> > I'm looking to prevent this.  Homosexuality is not a cause of most, if
> > not all, of these.  Rather, it is merely a symptom of the real problems
> > of the 'me' generation.  As a doctor who treats a bacterial infection
> > often treats the symptoms simultaneously, so do I treat the symptoms
> > while trying to encourage fixing the problems.
> >
> > I'm looking at the future - where are you looking at?  The present?
> >
> > --
> > Darin McBride:mcbride@ee.ualberta.ca/mcbride@tower.bohica.net
> >
> > Plan for your future - you'll live the rest of your life there!
> >
> Holy shit! aren't you the pessimist. I'm looking forward to
> better than that. Hope to hell things are far far better than
> you predict.
> Scott


The future, in Canada, will be even bleaker than above.

Don't forget, there is no protection whatsoever for property rights in 
Canada, and combined with confiscatory taxation to pay for the faggots 
and other pressure groups ,and with guns restricted soon to only 
criminals and cops (some people ask - any difference?), what is an 
entrepreneur to do?

Leave communist Canada, as so many professionals and entrepreneurs are 
doing, who would rather leave, than employ faggots.


From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Mon May 27 17:36:57 PDT 1996
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: can.infohighway,soc.culture.canada,bc.general,tor.general,mtl.general,ont.general,ott.general,muc.general,calgary.general,edm.general,can.atlantic.general
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@canadas.net Online Services wrote:
> 
> @canadas.net Online Services
> ==========================
> 
> Survey Address:  http://www.canadas.net/survey.html
> 
> Objective:
> 
> To collect a broad sample of feedback from the general public
> concerning their Internet Service Providers (ISP).  This survey is
> being conducted independently of any ISP and results will be published
> in CA Internet Daily our Internet News Service, in the media and made
> available to ISP's.
> 
> This is your oppotunity to voice your opinion on the state of service
> you are receiving today.  We anticipate to gather anywhere from 1500
> to 5000 submissions making this the first large scale survey of its
> kind in Canada.
> 
> If your news organization is interested in receiving the results of
> this survey please contact us at 604.687.8797.
> 
> @canadas.net Online Services
> http://www.canadas.net/
> Vancouver, B.C.COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with 
service almost as bad as it can get!!!

Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.

Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as 
well.

I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong 
warning!!!


From Wahrheit@cris.com Thu May 30 16:47:52 PDT 1996
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From: WAHRHEIT 
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Canadian news media report that the subject of the KOSHER TAX is again
under investigation by Revenue Canada Taxation.

The story on the business page, states that many manufacturers, such as
for Saran Wrap, sanka Coffee,Mr.Clean, etc. must pay extra fees to rabbis
to have their products declared kosher.

This extra cost is then passed on to every customer.

Some people have been trying to claim the extra $300 per person per year
as a so-called charitable donation on their tax returns. The tax
department has disallowed this fraud, since no willing charitable donation
was given, nor a receipt provided.

Apparently some non-Jews tried to claim this,and are now very angry at
being disallowed. To add insult to injury, they had no choice in the costs
of their purchases, since the extra costs paid to the rabbis is buried in
the total costs.



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Subject: Grosvenor's at it again: KOSHER TAX in Canada
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In article , 
William Grosvenor  wrote:

>Canadian news media report that the subject of the KOSHER TAX is again
>under investigation by Revenue Canada Taxation.

And your evidence for this claim, Mr. Grosvenor, is.....?

...or have you hidden it along with the "evidence" that Dr.
Morgenthaler is, er, Jewish? (Or were you planning to produce
it "any day now?")

How's your CGA career these days, Mr. Grosvenor?

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From: WAHRHEIT 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism
Subject: Re: Intolerance and Bigotry Promoted on CKST AM 1040?
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 14:18:44 -0400
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It seems that Ostrov just doesn't believe in telling the truth, which
seems to be a failing of those of the Jewish persuasion,and their lackeys.

In fact the radio station asked for a Jewish supporter to appear on the
air, and he refused!!!

Mr. Irving is a highly regarded international historical researcher, and
was in fact interviewed by phone from the US, since the JEWS didn't want
him explaining his views in person to Canadians.

In fact, the radio station is now launching multimillion dollar lawsuits
against those who would deny Canadians the legal right of freedom of
speech.

On Sun, 26 May 1996, Hilary Ostrov wrote:

> Is Vancouver-based CKST AM 1040's Charles Maclean a promoter of
> hatred, intolerance and bigotry?  You be the judge.  
> 
> On March 18, 1996 radio station CKST's NightLine BC call-in radio
> forum, hosted by Maclean, featured British writer David Irving.  Now,
> Irving is not exactly a household word (except in the circles of those
> who mistakenly call themselves Holocaust "revisionists".  But I have
> yet to encounter one of these so-called "revisionists" whose agenda
> does not include promoting hatred against Jews and/or other groups.
> Irving is no exception.)
> 
> The Nizkor Project  has extensive
> documentation on Irving, his writings and his "record" (including the
> transcript of his Canadian Immigration Adjudication Hearing - it makes
> for very interesting reading).
> 
> Here's how Robert Fulford describes Irving's material in his Foreword
> to the translation of two essays on Irving by historian Eberhard
> Ja"ckel, _David Irving's Hitler, A Faulty History Dissected_
> translated by H. David Kirk:
> 
> "[... He provides] a kind of retrospective moral upgrading of the
> Third Reich and its leader ... his writings have been flowing into the
> swelling river of Holocaust denial, refreshing it with bits of
> near-fact and pseudo-fact, all intended to move a few more readers
> toward the acceptance of an absurdity: the relative innocence of the
> Nazis, or at least, the moral equivalence of the Nazis and their
> enemies in the Second World War. 
> 
> [...] Irving manipulates evidence, collecting whatever fits his
> preconceptions, misinterpreting as he chooses, and ignoring whatever
> fails to support his views. Over the years Irving has persuaded many
> readers in the English-speaking countries that he provides an
> understanding of the contents of certain German archives, but it will
> be hard for anyone, after reading Ja"ckel, to think of Irving as
> anything but a propagandist."
> 
> The essays are available on Nizkor at: 
> 
> http://www.almanac.bc.ca/hweb/people/i/irving-david/jackel/
> 
> During the program, both Maclean and Irving wrapped their vocal chords
> in the flag of "freedom of speech" and encouraged likeminded callers
> to follow suit.  Together they filled the ears of their audience with
> venomous characterizations of Jewish people.  Irving, who had been
> highly praised by Maclean in his introduction, declared as "fact"
> unsubstantiated and patently false assertions regarding actions of the
> leadership of Jewish groups in Canada and other countries.
> 
> Complaints have been filed with the CRTC.  And lest there be any doubt
> about how strenuously Radio One Broadcasting/CKST AM 1040 feels about
> "freedom of speech", you should know that they are _suing_ a newspaper
> which reported on the complaints.  Yes, that's right, suing.
> 
> Sorry, but I _heard_ the program and I _read_ the articles.  Something
> is really wrong with this picture.  Can it be that AM 1040's
> self-touted "Concept of Intelligent Radio"  is  "We have the _right_
> to freedom of speech ...  and you have the _responsibility_  to agree
> with me"?
> 
> I am not amongst Maclean's regular listeners, but it would seem that
> he has no intention of disengaging his vitriolic vocal chords - and is
> still exercising his right to "freedom of speech" in the same
> responsibility-free way.  The following was sent to the CRTC by a
> friend, who also forwarded me a copy:
> 
> 
> 
> [typos corrected. hro]
> 
> Date:	Fri, 24 May 96 23:02 PDT
> To:	info@crtc.x400.gc.ca
> Subject: Racist Broadcasting
> 
> I was driving home from my office this Friday, May 24th, and happened
> to tune into CKST AM 1040 on my radio. The program, NightLine BC
> hosted by Charles Maclean, was having a forum on the BC election. 
> 
> Mr. Maclean was speaking with a caller from Vancouver Island. During
> this call, both the caller and Mr. Maclean made several racist and
> homophobic comments. Mr.  Maclean made direct anti-semitic statements
> concerning Jews and their newspaper. 
> 
> I am a strong believer in free speech and am strongly against
> censorship, but I feel Mr. Maclean’s entire purpose during the short
> segment of the program which I heard was to foster intolerance and
> bigotry. 
> 
> Am I the only person who finds this program offensive? I would be
> interested in hearing from the CRTC if any other complaints have been
> received regarding this program and whether the CRTC has monitored any
> of Mr. Maclean’s broadcasts. You can reach me via e-mail. Thanks for
> looking into this matter.
> 
> [sender's name and e-mail address deleted. hro]
> 
> 
> 
> Would you like further evidence?  If you live in the Vancouver area,
> listen to his program (weekdays 6-9 p.m.).  And if you find him
> guilty, perhaps you should tell the CRTC what your verdict is.
> 
> (Follow-ups set to alt.revisionism)
> 
> hro
> 
> =======================
> Hilary Ostrov
> e-mail: hostrov@uniserve.com
> http://haven.uniserve.com/~hostrov/
> Co-Webmaster - The Nizkor Project http://www.almanac.bc.ca/
> 
> 
> 



From Wahrheit@cris.com Sat Jun  1 05:54:07 PDT 1996
Article: 40416 of alt.revisionism
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From: WAHRHEIT 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,talk.abortion,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:49:28 -0400
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
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To: "David W. Truland" 
In-Reply-To: <4olaa4$12a@lori.albany.net>
Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:40416 talk.abortion:173614 alt.discrimination:47910 alt.politics.homosexuality:94878

Alberta Canada is not yet part of the USA,and USA law does not apply
there. Check your atlas.

On Thu, 30 May 1996, David W. Truland wrote:

> WAHRHEIT  wrote:
> 
> >The original article was headed as it was, and related to the fact that a
> >Jewish senator, plus the Bnai Brith both supported the faggots of Alberta
> >in applying for special rights, over and above those for the general
> >populace.
> 
> You are lying about the "special rights," of course, as that bastion
> of radical left thinking, the US Supreme Court, recently acknowledged.
> ___________________________________________
> David W. Truland     truland@albany.net    
>     http://www.albany.net/~truland/   
> 
> 
> 



From Wahrheit@cris.com Sat Jun  1 05:54:08 PDT 1996
Article: 40417 of alt.revisionism
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From: WAHRHEIT 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,talk.abortion,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: William Grosvenor & his lies
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:53:08 -0400
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
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To: Ken McVay OBC 
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Xref: nizkor.almanac.bc.ca alt.revisionism:40417 talk.abortion:173615 alt.discrimination:47911 alt.politics.homosexuality:94879

How could he have been lying,when he referred to apublished news story.
The item has been widely published all over Canada from reports, and
stated that a Jewish senator plus Bnai Brith wanted to publicly support
special rights for queers.This is documented truth, both in print and on
TV.

It seems that only you are denying the truth as provided by your own Jews?




On 30 May 1996, Ken McVay OBC wrote:

> In article <4olaa4$12a@lori.albany.net>, 
> truland@albany.net (David W. Truland) wrote:
> 
> >WAHRHEIT  wrote:
> 
> >>The original article was headed as it was, and related to the fact that a
> >>Jewish senator, plus the Bnai Brith both supported the faggots of Alberta
> >>in applying for special rights, over and above those for the general
> >>populace.
> 
> >You are lying about the "special rights," of course, as that bastion
> >of radical left thinking, the US Supreme Court, recently acknowledged.
> 
> Mr. Grosvenor was refering to Canadians, not Yanks, but he was
> still lying.
> 
> For previous examples of the Grosvenor Mind, see
> http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl?people/g/grosvenor.william
> 
> 
> -- 
> The Nizkor Project (Canada) - An Electronic Holocaust Educational Resource
>       Over 100Megs of data: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/cgi-bin/ftp.pl? 
>             Europe: ftp://nizkor.iam.uni-bonn.de/pub/nizkor/
> Nizkor Web: http://www.almanac.bc.ca/ (Under construction - permanently!)
> 
> 



From Wahrheit@cris.com Sat Jun  1 05:54:09 PDT 1996
Article: 40418 of alt.revisionism
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From: WAHRHEIT 
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,talk.abortion,alt.discrimination,alt.politics.homosexuality
Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 20:56:51 -0400
Organization: Concentric Internet Services
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To: Chris Lyman 
In-Reply-To: 
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Since the original article refers to Alberta, which is in Canada, I can
only assume that the holohuggers do not know where Alberta is.They
probably feel that it is some kampung in southern USA.


On Fri, 31 May 1996, Chris Lyman wrote:

> truland@albany.net (David W. Truland) wrote:
> # WAHRHEIT  wrote:
> 
> # >The original article was headed as it was, and related to the fact that a
> # >Jewish senator, plus the Bnai Brith both supported the faggots of Alberta
> # >in applying for special rights, over and above those for the general
> # >populace.
> 
> # You are lying about the "special rights," of course, as that bastion
> # of radical left thinking, the US Supreme Court, recently acknowledged.
> 
> Indeed he is lying, which is ironical, since "wahrheit" means "truth"
> in German, if I remember correctly.  Why would this poster choose to
> hide behind a *German* pseudonym?
> 
> -- 
> Chris Lyman      |     chrisl@minn.net     |     #include 
>     "Why shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction?  Fiction, after
>      all, has to make sense." -- Mark Twain (1835-1910)
> 
> 



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>From           sberry@ivory.trentu.ca (Tipsy McStagger)
Organization   Trent University, Peterborough
Date           Tue, 21 May 1996 03:32:08 GMT
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From: William Grosvenor 
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.report,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.misc
Subject: Caprina is real hate monger
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 19:08:54 +0700
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caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
>
> To whom it may concern:
>
> There has been a usenet and e-mail system abuser who has been posting
> much hate, and harrassing people via e-mail.
> He is William Grosvenor of Edmonton Alberta Canada. He currently has two
> accounts, one at the Edmonton Freenet, and one at Compusmart.
> His e-mail addresses are:
> acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
> Acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca.
>
> He used to harrass and post more often using the freenet, but I and
> others complained to the postmaster, forwarding evidence to proove our
> positions.
> Now, he has gone on a hate posting rampage using his compusmart account.
> Result, many complaints.
> Here are the articles I have managed to collect as evidence that he is a
> troublesome hate monger who, if giving the chance to get another account
> on another isp, will only continue to abuse the net in one of the worst ways.
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Tue Apr  9 21:16:56 MDT 1996
> Article: 4060 of calgary.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
> usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: ab.general,edm.general,calgary.general,yk.general
> Subject: DEADMONTON MAYOR HELPS CALGARY
> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 18:20:57 +0700
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 30
> Message-ID: <3168F699.7A2D@compusmart.ab.ca>
> References: <3165BA7D.3A16@compusmart.ab.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: remote137.compusmart.ab.ca
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
> Xref: cuugnet ab.general:21326 edm.general:13122 calgary.general:4060
>
> It seems that Deadmonton's usedtire salesman/mayor is hellbent on helping
> the City of Calgary,rather than his own constituents.
>
> First,he deliberately snubs an international trade delegation who had had
> an arranged appointment to meet with him.This,after they had flown from Germany
> halfway around the world to meet and discuss business.
>
> Then,our useless twit deliberately snubs the Prime Minister,and refuses
> to meet with him,and federal MPs.
>
> Now,our cluelss incompetent,probably suffering from too much rubber
> fumes,or just insanity,announces worldwide at press conferences, that the
> Toronto Banks are warning potential developers that REDMONTON IS NOT A
> GOOD ENVIRONMENT FOR INVESTMENT. Of course Redmonton is terrible for
> business,with anti-business policies and practices such as those of the
> mayor!!!And he expects the Toronto Banks to change their minds because
> he says so.
>
> Don't forget,it was this lying politician who promised all the northern
> cities he would fight to keep the Edmonton airport open. Then,he lied and
> doublecrossed them,by closing down the Edmonton MUNI Airport,so his
> realestate shysters in Leduc could benefit,at a cost to Edmonton
> taxpayers of more than $5 millions a year!!!Now Slime Willy is annoyed
> because all the northern communities are BOYCOTTING DEADMONTON. They are
> doing their business,including R & R in Calgary,and Vancouver,where they
> are welcomed,and not lied to.
>
> Could it be that Schmidt has a secret agenda,paid for by who knows,to
> destroy what remains of Deadmonton's economy?
>
> Comments invited,even from thriving Calgary.
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 10 00:42:33 MDT 1996
> Article: 22803 of ab.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
> usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: can.general,tor.general,ab.general,van.general,mtl.general,
> ott.general,edm.general
> Subject: Support AFL - ANTI FAGGOT LEAGUE
> Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 07:00:49 +0700
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 10
> Message-ID: <318D4131.1B94@compusmart.ab.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: remote258.compusmart.ab.ca
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
>
> If you feel that faggots should not get special rights at the expense of
> your dollars and those of all normal humans, then join AFL - ANTI-FAGGOT
> LEAGUE.
>
> Further information from dan67@ix.netcom.com.
>
> Mother Nature seems to have introduced AIDS as her move to get rid of
> these perverts.Perhaps AFL will help in the political arena.
>
> If you believe in traditional family values,you should also support AFL.
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Fri May 10 14:09:25 MDT 1996
> Article: 4254 of calgary.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
> usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,
> can.politics,alt.revisionism
> Subject: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
> Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 17:59:11 +0700
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 25
> Message-ID: <31907E7F.5E3E@compusmart.ab.ca>
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>
> In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration
> Department is now allowing faggots from Poland,especially if they have
> AIDS, into Canada as refugees.
>
> These perverts claim refugee status since the Polish government doesn't
> recognise them as legitimate refugees,merely as deviants.
>
> By admitting them into Canada,all normal people,who pay taxes are
> subsidising the perverted lifestyle of these good for nothings,at a cost
> rumored to be in excess of $50,000 per year,until they die.The costs of
> their medical care is not included in these figures.
>
> Why should Canada be a dumping ground for the garbage of humanity,at
> taxpayer expense,when they are not legitimate refugees?
>
> Is there a correlation between these,and the indecent haste with which
> the Cretinous government wants all Canadians to pay for all the faggots
> in Canada?
>
> It is obvious that "traditional family values" have no longer any meaning
> to either the Liberals,or the rotten Reform Party in Canada under Presto
> Manning.
>
> Perhaps it is now time for the National Citizens Coalition, to make
> itself heard,as the right thinking political alternative for Canada!!!
>
> From acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Tue May 14 01:21:02 MDT 1996
> Article: 76090 of can.politics
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> net!imci2!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.inte
> rnetmci.com!in2.uu.net!scanner.worldgate.com!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!acumen
> From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
> Newsgroups: can.politics
> Subject: FIRE FAGGOTS - CLOSE DOWN BUSINESSES
> Date: 12 May 1996 17:04:00 GMT
> Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> Lines: 30
> Message-ID: <4n55m0$ig4@news.sas.ab.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
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>
> If you are as disgusted as most business owners,teach the faggot-loving
> Canadian government how you feel.
>
> Close down your businesses,and tell those employees who are not faggots
> that the reason is because you will never support faggots,or their lovers.
>
> Tell them you want a faggot free environemnt where you,the business owner
> decide who you want working in YOUR operations,not being forced to hire
> undesirables.
>
> There are many places in North America where your businesses,and jobs
> will be welcomed - such as Idaho,Wisconsin,Montana,Tennessee,and even
> Mexico.With NAFTA no problem selling to your former customers either.
>
> Another point to consider,in all the places mentioned above one also has
> PROPERTY RIGHTS, and GUN RIGHTS. In other words you are allowed by law to
> protect your property,and your rights,even to prevent undesirables from
> entering your property.
>
> When enough of the gutless majority in Canada find themselves
> unemployed,then perhaps they also will revolt,and once and for all get
> rid of the problem of perverts.
>
> Don't forget, AIDS was spread deliberately by the faggot with Air Canada
> worldwide,with the assistance of the Canadian government.This has been
> well documented in both the book and movie entitled, "AND THE BAND PLAYED
> ON".
>
> It seems that only the Muslim religion knows how to take care of the
> problem of faggots. They believe that faggots must be stoned to death.
>
> From acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Wed May 15 03:25:05 MDT 1996
> Article: 48071 of can.general
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> net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!
> enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.sas.ab.ca!
> acumen
> From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
> Newsgroups: can.general
> Subject: WON'T EMPLOY FAGGOTS!!!
> Date: 10 May 1996 00:28:41 GMT
> Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> Lines: 14
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> NNTP-Posting-Host: fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.4]
>
> No damn communist Canadian Government can make me,or any other employer
> hire faggots.
>
> Sooner than hire faggots,or even remain in a country run by,and for
> faggots and their spreading AIDS, we will close down all our
> businesses,laying off tens of thousands,and we will relocate to some less
> faggot-ridden country!!!
>
> When the Canadian government finds a massive increase in unemployment in
> the next few months,caused by normal business owners relocating to
> faggot-free locales,what excuse will the faggot-lovers give then?
>
> No wonder the commie government doesn't want normal people to own guns -
> they fear the people!!!!
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 03:25:39 MDT 1996
> Article: 48101 of can.general
> Path: cuugnet!strat.enernet.com!
> news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!
> west.news.istar.net!van-bc!uniserve!
> news1.ottawa.istar.net!news.ottawa.istar.net!
> news3.ottawa.istar.net!istar.net!imci2!
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> arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: can.general
> Subject: FIRE FAGGOTS-CLOSE DOWN BUSINESSES
> Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 07:05:45 +0700
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 17
> Message-ID: <31928859.2E12@compusmart.ab.ca>
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>
> Like many other normal business owners,we will never hire faggots.
>
> Further,sooner than be forced to have anything to do with such
> perverts,we will be shortly closing down all our operations in
> faggot-loving Canada.We will be joining the exodus of many tens of
> thousands of jobs,creating even more massive unemployment.
>
> These many tens of thousands of jobs will be relocated,thanks to NAFTA,in
> anti-faggot locations such as Wisconsin,Montana,Idaho or even Mexico.
>
> What will all the faggots and fdaggot lovers then be doing for
> employment?Who will be paying increased taxes for the astronomical jump
> in welfare recipients?Guess who - you,all the stupid faggot lovers!!!
>
> I guess the real reason Herr Stein/Rock wants to deny normal people the
> right to own firearms,is because he knows how REAL HUMANS will react to
> enforcing perverts on normal people.
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 23:12:11 MDT 1996
> Article: 23412 of ab.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
> usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
> Subject: FAGGOTS SPREAD AIDS-WHY PROTECT THEM?
> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 04:12:32 +0700
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 17
> Message-ID: <3198F740.2AC4@compusmart.ab.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: remote235.compusmart.ab.ca
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> Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23412 calgary.general:4349
>
> Dr.Grant Hill,MP, is completely correct in stating that faggots spread
> disease.
>
> He is far too polite,since I am sure he also has read the acclaimed
> documentary book "AND THE BAND PLAYED ON",which also became a movie,
> which details how AIDS was spread worldwide,deliberately,by the faggot
> with Air Canada.This was even supported by the government of Canada.
>
> Now,normal people all over the world must pay for these perverts and the
> astronomic costs for their medical care until they get cremated.
>
> I feel that they should NOT GET SPECIAL RIGHTS,even if the faggot loving
> Canadian government wants to give them.
>
> Is there any real use for disease spreading faggots?
>
> In the old days faggots were burned,so is this practical now?
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 23:13:13 MDT 1996
> Article: 23441 of ab.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
> usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,tor.general,calgary.general,van.general
> Subject: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:23:27 +0700
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 11
> Message-ID: <3199866F.67E6@compusmart.ab.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: remote266.compusmart.ab.ca
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> Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23441 calgary.general:4364
>
> Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the
> faggots and lesbians.
>
> The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the
> perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional
> family.
>
> First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews
> want to destroy the family.
>
> One must ask, WHY?
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Wed May 15 23:13:32 MDT 1996
> Article: 23442 of ab.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
> usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,alt.discrimination,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,van.general
> Subject: Re: Jews for Faggots in Alberta
> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 15:03:08 +0700
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 15
> Message-ID: <31998FBC.73F1@compusmart.ab.ca>
> References: <4n7r5c$hbe@news.sas.ab.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: remote266.compusmart.ab.ca
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
>
> acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
>
>  In Alberta Canada Senator Ghitter,together with Bnai Brith and other
>  jewish groups are openly supporting special rights for faggots and for
>  more powers for the socalled human rights commission.
>
>  These same groups campaign against citizens having either property
>  rights,or even gun rights.
>
>  Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder of unborn
>  babies at his abortionariums,paid by taxpayers to add insult to injury.
>
>  Hopefully,more and more sensible people will see the correlation between
>  destruction of the traditional family,and family values,and the vermin
>  involved in destroying families in Canada.
>
> - Note: Here are some more articles by other usenetters and Grosvenor,.
>
> From jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu Thu May 16 15:39:00 MDT 1996
> Article: 23454 of ab.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!
> canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!hookup!cunews!freenet-news.carleton.ca!
> van-bc,bofh.dot!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!
> news.sol.net!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.luc.edu!lsdiala05.it.luc.edu!user
> From: jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu (Jason Silverman)
> Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,van.general,calgary.general
> Subject: William Grosvenor believes in crap!
> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:05:39 -0600
> Organization: Loyola University Chicago
> Lines: 20
> Message-ID: 
> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.126.1.105
> Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23454 calgary.general:4370
>
> By his own admission, William Grosvenor is LITERALLY a firm believer in
> the philosophy of crap!  Don't believe me?  Sure you do!  Want a good
> laugh?  Check out this startling admission and an enumeration of billy g's
> really sound ideas at
>
> http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/acumen/acumen1.htm
>
> There you will find real side splitting attempts at political philosophy,
> including:
>
> - Canada's very own militias!
>
> - Fun with self-contradiction, or, People Should Be Able To Kill People With
>    Whom They Disagree!
>
> - We care more about fascist politics than being able to eat, or, the three
>    westernmost provinces of canada (assuming BC would actually go along with
>    those losers) should be independent!
>
> - And many, many more!
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 15:45:24 MDT 1996
> Article: 23506 of ab.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
> usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: ab.general,can.general,alt.revisionism,tor.general,calgary.general,van.general,alt.discrimination
> Subject: Re: Why are Jews Supporting Faggots?
> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:31:01 +0700
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 13
> Message-ID: <319A6935.350B@compusmart.ab.ca>
> References: <3199866F.67E6@compusmart.ab.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: remote139.compusmart.ab.ca
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
> Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23506 calgary.general:4390
>
> Here in Alberta Senator Ghitter and the Bnai Brith are supporting the
> faggots and lesbians.
>
> The groups want the Alberta government to give special rights to the
> perverts,presumably as one more attempt to destroy the traditional
> family.
>
> First we had Morgentaler murdering babies in abortionariums,now more Jews
> want to destroy the family.
>
> One must ask, WHY? Wasn't it enough that Christ was murdered?
>
> Also,why are some ISPs now deleting messages on this topic?
>
> From rnewell@vcn.bc.ca Thu May 16 15:48:31 MDT 1996
> Article: 23523 of ab.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!
> alberta!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!> utcsri!uniserve!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!rnewell
> From: rnewell@vcn.bc.ca (colin newell)
> Newsgroups: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
> Subject: Re: Hate-mongers, why protect and/or indulge them ?
> Followup-To: edm.general,ab.general,can.general,tor.general,alt.revisionism,van.general,calgary.general
> Date: 16 May 1996 16:08:11 GMT
> Organization: Vancouver Community Net
> Lines: 22
> Message-ID: <4nfjtb$jem@milo.vcn.bc.ca>
> References: <3198F740.2AC4@compusmart.ab.ca> <3199ece8.4176244@news.srv.ualberta.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.vcn.bc.ca
> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
> Xref: cuugnet ab.general:23523 calgary.general:4397
>
> :  wrote:
>
> the following was snipped off grosvenors web page.....
>
> DEATH PENALTY to be provided for serious crimes, whether by males or
> females, such
> as for drug trafficking, multiple murder, repeat drunk driving, sexual
> perverts, serious
> sexual attacks, armed robbery, as well as criminal negligence resulting
> in serious injury or
> death.
>
> I urge all USENET readers to send their opinions on this hate
> material to the webmaster@compusmart.ab.ca
>
> --
> Robert Colin Newell
> http://espresso.ts.uvic.ca
> The Coffee Expert's Web Page
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 22:25:12 MDT 1996
> Article: 4363 of calgary.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
> usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: can.infohighway,soc.culture.canada,bc.general,tor.general,mtl.general,ont.general,ott.general,muc.general,calgary.general,edm.general,can.atlanti
> Subject: Re: SURVEY: Rate Your Internet Service Provider, a National Survey
> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 13:49:40 +0700
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 35
> Message-ID: <31997E84.1A22@compusmart.ab.ca>
> References: <4naj0u$r8u@aphex.direct.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: remote266.compusmart.ab.ca
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
> To: mark@canadas.net
>
> @canadas.net Online Services wrote:
> >
> > @canadas.net Online Services
> > ==========================
> >
> > Survey Address:  http://www.canadas.net/survey.html
> >
> > Objective:
> >
> > To collect a broad sample of feedback from the general public
> > concerning their Internet Service Providers (ISP).  This survey is
> > being conducted independently of any ISP and results will be published
> > in CA Internet Daily our Internet News Service, in the media and made
> > available to ISP's.
> >
> > This is your oppotunity to voice your opinion on the state of service
> > you are receiving today.  We anticipate to gather anywhere from 1500
> > to 5000 submissions making this the first large scale survey of its
> > kind in Canada.
> >
> > If your news organization is interested in receiving the results of
> > this survey please contact us at 604.687.8797.
> >
> > @canadas.net Online Services
> > http://www.canadas.net/
> > Vancouver, B.C.COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with
> service almost as bad as it can get!!!
>
> Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.
>
> Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as
> well.
>
> I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong
> warning!!!
>
> From acumen@compusmart.ab.ca Thu May 16 22:28:19 MDT 1996
> Article: 4389 of calgary.general
> Path: cuugnet!news.ucalgary.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!bert.compusmart.ab.ca!
> usenet
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Newsgroups: calgary.general,edm.general,alt.revisonism,alt.discrimination
> Subject: COMPUSMART - COMPLAINTS,yes!!
> Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:19:14 +0700

> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> Lines: 38
> Message-ID: <319A6672.794@compusmart.ab.ca>
> References: <4naj0u$r8u@aphex.direct.ca> <31997E84.1A22@compusmart.ab.ca> <4ndv5g$4cs@bert.compusmart.ab.ca>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: remote139.compusmart.ab.ca
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
> To: Shane Henderson 
>
> Shane Henderson wrote:
> >
> > William Grosvenor  wrote:
> > >COMPUSMART in Edmonton has really deteriorated in recent weeks,with
> > >service almost as bad as it can get!!
> >
> > >Log ons are getting erratic,especially for newsgroups.
> >
> > >Messages to newsgroups are getting "lost",with apparent censorship as
> > >well.
> >
> > >I would definitely not recommend COMPUSMART,other than with a strong
> > >warning!!!
> >
> >         Mr. Grosvenor, I appreciate your feedback about our service.  I can
> > assure you that we do NOT censor newsgroups, and we strive constantly
> > to improve our service, including our newsfeed.
> >
> >         I do wonder, though:  Might your complaints have something to do with
> > the fact that we notified you three days ago about us NOT renewing
> > your account due to nearly one hundred complaints of sending hate mail
> > and harassing other Internet users?
> >
> >         I would also welcome feedback from any of our users about our service
> > via email to Shane.Henderson@compusmart.ab.ca.  Comments and
> > complaints can also be addressed to paulb@compusmart.ab.ca.
> >
> >         Shane Henderson, B.Sc.,CNE,MCP
> >         System Administrator
> >         CompuSmart Edmonton/SmartNetShane Henderson,either you are a cretin or insane.
>
> Until your firm sent the memo regarding termination of service, neither
> you nor any other gopher at COMPUSMART had EVER bothered to tell me about
> any alleged complaints.
>
> Since what I have commented on in all my messages to newsgroups are my
> opinions,and are not illegal as such,you and your fellow incompetents
> feel that you can act as censors.
>
> - End of articles.
> He has sent me harrassing e-mail in the past, and after repeated e-mails
> when I told him to stop, I reported him to freenet. The postmaster there
> has forbidden him to e-mail me using that account. But if he gets another
> isp account, he will only start all over again.
> Here is his e-mail to me, using freenet. This goes way back to January,
> and March.
>
> From root Fri Jan 12 21:58:07 1996
> Received: from fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02)
>           id AA28044; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:57:29 -0700
> Received: by fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03)
>           id AA47400; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:51:08 -0700
> Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:51:08 -0700
> From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> Message-Id: <9601130451.AA47400@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
> To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
> Subject: Re: Follow-ups
> Newsgroups: ab.general,can.politics
> Organization: Edmonton Freenet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.3]
> Status: RO
>
> Just because you disagree with the sensible comments of Kolding,and also
> the fact that he is successful in the free-enterprise USA,while you are a
> parasite at the U of C,is no reason to malign him.
>
> Mind you,what else can one expect from an unemployable,functionally
> illiterate parasite living off the taxpayers.
>
> In article
> <4d6l6q$f8d@cuug486.cuug.ab.ca>
> you wrote: : In article ,
> : Earl Blacklock  wrote:
> : >In article <4ctha2$h5f@news2.cts.com> pkolding@cts.com (PKolding) writes:
> : >
> : >>I live in California. I left Canada
> : >
> : >And you can't imagine how grateful we all are that you did!
> : >
> : >
> : >
>
> : --
> : "Look down, and show some mercy if you can! Look down, look down upon
> : your fellow man!" -- ("Les Miserables" Musical)
>
> --
> William Grosvenor               e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> 9208 - 137 Avenue                    or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
> DEADMONTON, Alberta
> CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555
>
>         INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE
>
> From root Mon Mar 11 13:29:34 1996
> Received: from freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02)
>           id AA33158; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:28:29 -0700
> Received: by freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03)
>           id AA33781; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:22:46 -0700
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:22:46 -0700
> From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> Message-Id: <9603112022.AA33781@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
> To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
> Subject: Re: Kodish = Christ? NO WAY!!!!!
> Newsgroups: ab.general,edm.general,freenet.announce,freenet.discuss
> Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.4]
> Status: RO
>
> Doesn't Kaddish belong to those who CRUCIFIED CHRIST?If so,how can this
> descendant of mudereres be even remotely compared to Christ?
>
>
> William Grosvenor               e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> 9208 - 137 Avenue                     or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
> DEADMONTON, Alberta
> CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555
>
>         INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE
>
> From root Tue Mar 12 06:55:26 1996
> Received: from fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02)
>           id AA27284; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:55:23 -0700
> Received: by fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03)
>           id AA64447; Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:49:29 -0700
> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 06:49:29 -0700 (MST)
> From: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
> Subject: Re: Kodish = Christ? NO WAY!!!!!
> In-Reply-To: <9603102051.AA11575@dec3300>
> Message-Id: 
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> Status: RO
>
> How can I belong to the same lot as Kaddish,when I am one of his
> enemies,namely a critic,just like you?
>
> William Grosvenor               e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> 9208 - 137 Avenue                     or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
> DEADMONTON, Alberta
> CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555
>
>         INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE
>
> On Sun, 10 Mar 1996 caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Doesn't Kaddish belong to those who CRUCIFIED CHRIST?If so,how can this
> > > descendant of mudereres be even remotely compared to Christ?
> > >
> > >
> > > William Grosvenor           e-mail: acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
> > > 9208 - 137 Avenue                     or: acumen@compusmart.ab.ca
> > > DEADMONTON, Alberta
> > > CANADA  T5E 1Y5                            phone: 403-475-5555
> > >
> > >     INTERNATIONAL  LINKS  PROMOTE  TRADE  AND  PEACE
> > >
> > Well, I guess you would know since you belong to the same lot.
> >
> -end of e-mail.
>
> Just the other day, he e-mailed me using the compusmart account, replying
> to a flame I wrote in the news, reiterating the general feelings of most
> usenetters concerning Grosvenor. After seeing him post hate again and
> again, I just couldn't help but support someone else's objections to it.
> Grosvenor saw my article, and responded:
>
> From root Wed May 15 04:42:29 1996
> Received: from bernie.compusmart.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02)
>           id AA27534; Wed, 15 May 1996 04:42:18 -0600
> Received: from remote235.compusmart.ab.ca (remote235.compusmart.ab.ca [206.75.84.60]) by bernie.compusmart.ab.ca (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id
LAA04260 for  Message-Id: <3198F2B4.FDA@compusmart.ab.ca>
> Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 03:53:08 +0700
> From: William Grosvenor 
> Organization: International Institute of Management Inc.
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I)
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Newsgroups: calgary.general,can.general,tor.general,mtl.general,can.politics,alt.revisionism
> To: caprina@cuug.ab.ca
> Subject: Re: WHY ALLOW FAGGOTS AS SO-CALLED REFUGEES?
> References: <31907E7F.5E3E@compusmart.ab.ca> <8MAY199621280066@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu> <4n08ph$bgm@dec.cuug.ab.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Status: RO
>
> caprina@cuug.ab.ca wrote:
> >
> > In article <8MAY199621280066@misvms.bpa.arizona.edu>,
> > Daniel Mittleman  wrote:
> > >In article <31907E7F.5E3E@compustupid.ab.ca>, William Grosstroll
> >  spews...
> > >>In recent weeks,the media have been reporting that the Canada Immigration
> > bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda and on and on and on and on.
> > >>
> > >
> > >    I wonder what the normal people of Canada think about having Grosvenor
> > >    in their midst?  {shudder}
> > >
> > >                         daniel david mittleman
> >
>
>===========================================================================
> > >                     Quoth the H*ber: "Never! More!"
> >
> > Personally, I shudder to think he is allowed to stay in this country, and
> > especially in this province. Too bad there wasn't some way to have him
> > shipped to Antartica or some such place where he wouldn't be such a
> > bother to us normal decent people. We don't need paranoied nazis like him
> > here. I'd like it if he'd get lost and permanently! And to think his
> > crappy hate posts are costing the net thousands of dollars. What a waste
> > of technology and money. What a waste of a little man he is.Sounds like some jew and faggot lover just doesn't appreciate criticism
> of deviates,and other vermin.
>
> - End.
>
> I ask all sysadmins to be on the lookout for William Grosvenor, for if he
> gets an account with any of you and starts promoting hate and hate
> crimes, you will be partially responsible for this activity if you do
> nothing about it.
> **********************************************************************
> Excerpt from the Criminal Code of Canada,
>                  Chapter C-46, Revised Statutes of Canada, 1985.
> **********************************************************************
>
> Section 318,  Hate Propaganda
> (1)  Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guiltCaprina is the real hate monger

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Subject:      Jews for Faggots in Alberta
From:         acumen@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()
Date:         1996/05/13
Message-Id:   <4n7r5c$hbe@news.sas.ab.ca>
Organization: Edmonton FreeNet, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Newsgroups:   alt.revisionism

In Alberta Canada Senator Ghitter,together with Bnai Brith and other
jewish groups are openly supporting special rights for faggots and for
more powers for the socalled human rights commission.

These same groups campaign against citizens having either property
rights,or even gun rights.

Mind you,they do support the Jew Morgentaler and his murder of unborn
babies at his abortionariums.

Hopefully,more and more sensible people will see the correlation between
destruction of the traditional family,and family values,and the vermin
involved in destroying families in Canada.


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