Archive/File: people/g/gritz.bo gritz.usenet From oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!uunet!think.com!rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.washington.edu!stein.u.washington.edu!tzs Wed Oct 28 09:52:38 PST 1992 Article: 12393 of alt.activism Newsgroups: alt.activism Path: oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!uunet!think.com!rpi!usenet.coe.montana.edu!news.u.washington.edu!stein.u.washington.edu!tzs From: email@example.com (Tim Smith) Subject: Re: Gritz Burns UN Flag Message-ID: <1992Oct28.firstname.lastname@example.org> Keywords: Bo Gritz, UN, Constitution Sender: email@example.com (USENET News System) Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 References: <27OCT199210203187@acad3.alaska.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 09:24:03 GMT Lines: 7 > o Bo Gritz is on the ballot in at least seventeen states. Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Louisianna, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Utah, Washington, and Wisconsin. --Tim Smith From oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!gumby!yale!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!sgi!cdp!cberlet Wed Oct 28 09:54:37 PST 1992 Article: 6797 of alt.conspiracy Path: oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!gumby!yale!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!ames!sgi!cdp!cberlet From: NLG Civil Liberties Committee
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy Date: 27 Oct 92 19:57 PST Subject: Re: Bo Gritz Sender: Notesfile to Usenet Gateway Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <10OCT199212594107@acad3.alaska.e> Nf-ID: #R:10OCT199212594107@acad3.alaska.e:-397899072:cdp:1299600101:000:852 Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cberlet Oct 27 19:57:00 1992 Lines: 18 If both The Progressive and Soldier of Fortune do stories saying Gritz is peddling anti-Semitic and White supremacist party lines, is that a conspiracy or is it possible that it is true? BTW, I think both the CFR and the Trilaterlists are organizations devoted to making sure only the very wealthy continue to shape policy matters, and I do not consider them benign in the least. I am currently co-writing a book on U.S. meddling in foreign elections with Holly Sklar, one of the world's leading critics of Trilateralism and author of several books on the topic. The question you need to ask about people like Gritz and LaRouche and others who attack mutual enemies is "how much racism and anti-Jewish bigotry will I put up with to form a coalition with someone who is attacking people and groups I dislike?" For me the answer is "None!" -Chip From oneb!cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hpscdm!hpscdc!patriot!user Wed Oct 28 19:09:02 PST 1992 Article: 12427 of alt.activism Xref: oneb talk.politics.misc:44198 alt.conspiracy:6812 alt.activism:12427 Newsgroups: talk.politics.misc,alt.conspiracy,alt.activism Path: oneb!cs.ubc.ca!utcsri!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!scd.hp.com!hpscdm!hpscdc!patriot!user From: (Patriot) Subject: Bo Gritz: One Nation Under God Message-ID: Followup-To: talk.politics.misc Sender: email@example.com (News Account) Organization: Christian Patriots for America Distribution: us Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1992 23:40:24 GMT Lines: 291 An article by James "Bo" Gritz, candidate for President of the United States. This article is part of the _America First Series_. For more information on Mr. Gritz, contact: We the People of the United States, Inc. 1651 E. Sunset Las Vegas, NV 89119 ====================================================================== One Nation Under God James "Bo" Gritz The foundation of America is the Holy Bible. Before you think I'm some sort of a religious nut, please remember that I am an intelligence officer. I've been trained to seek facts, to analyze them, and then draw positive conclusions. The fact is that 53 out of 55 of our recognized founding fathers were Christians. From 3,152 significant quotes, we find 94% either directly or indirectly reference the Bible. For example: John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this--it connected in one indissoluble bind, the principles of civil government with the principle of Christianity." George Washington in his farewell address told us not to let the tribute of American patriots be upon those who try to separate religion from politics. Washington said: "Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." Thomas Jefferson's highly extolled concept of the "separation of church and state" has been interpreted totally out of context. The full statement cautions us not to allow any _one_ Christian church to dominate the government such as the official Church of England. Jefferson in no way meant that religion--Christian religion--should not be part of our government. John Jay, our first Chief Justice, declared, "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." The New England Primer printed in 1690 taught the ABC's using Bible verses. Blackstone's law books taught for 160 years that the Bible was the basis for American law and any law passed contrary to scripture is not valid in America. A 1796 Supreme Court case, Runkel v. Wiremiller, established: "By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion." The justices cited 87 precedents to support teaching principles of Christianity in American government. An 1811 case, People v. Ruggles, determined: "Whatever strikes at the root of Christianity tends manifestly to the dissolution of civil government." Even as late as 1952, the Supreme Court ruled that it was "unconstitutional to separate religion and state." Then it happened! On June 25, 1962, the U.S. Supreme Court, in ?Engel v. Vitale, without a single precedent mentioned, took prayer out of public schools. It was resolved that prayer could psychologically damage children. The prayer specifically challenged was: "Almighty God, We acknowledge our dependence upon Thee and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and out country." Then on June 17, 1963, in Abingdon v. Schempp, again without a single precedent cited, the justices ruled out reading of the Bible in public schools. Finally, in 1980, the U.S. Supreme Court found in Stone V. Gramm that the presence of even the Ten Commandments posted in school was unconstitutional. The court reasoned: "If the posted copies of the Ten Commandments are to have any effect at all, it will be to induce the schoolchildren to read, meditate upon, perhaps to venerate and obey, the Commandments; this is not a permissible objective." I wonder if the learned justices have ever looked upon the wall of their courtroom where the Ten Commandments are clearly before them? Of course, since 1947, how many justices sitting on the Supreme Court were true Christians? Thomas Jefferson said, concerning education, "...even under the best forms [of government], those entrusted with power have in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny; and..the most effectual means of preventing this would be to illuminate...the minds of the people at large, and more especially to give them knowledge of those facts which history exhibits, that they may...know ambition under all its shapes, and...exert their natural powers to defeat its purposes." Here is what has happened to the U.S. since the 1962 ban on school prayer. The number of: violent crimes shot up 544%; teenage pregnancies between the ages of 15-19 rose 55%, pregnancies between the ages of 10-14 jumped 533%; reported sexually-transmitted disease climbed 225% (250 million cases in December 1990); divorces increased 117%, single parents with children increased 160%, and unmarried couples living together rose 353%. The national divorce rate is 50%, but the rate of divorce in homes where there is family prayer and Bible reading is only _one in 1,644._ Ninety percent of all children receiving remedial reading in public schools come from broken homes. Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) scores, which have been a standard indicator of educational attainment since 1941, have steadily declined. Students educated in private Christian schools do better by 100 points on the SAT. This statistic is especially profound when you realize that on the average only $1,100 was spent on the private student, whereas $3,752 was expended per student enrolled in public schools. The principles of core subjects such as mathematics, languages and the sciences have not changed. The only difference in the two school systems is that Christianity is taught in one and disallowed in the other. Ninety-seven percent of our population profess to be Christians. A survey conducted in 1986 showed that 89% of America's 246 million people wanted prayer back in the schools. Before 1984 there were only 1,000 Christian-run schools. Today there are more than 32,000, educating over 8.5 million students. Benjamin Franklin observed that people account to God in the next world, but nations are judged _now_. Thomas Jefferson wrote: "Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever." John Adams reflected that America's Constitution was made and would work only for a moral and religious people. I believe the Constitution was divinely inspired. I believe the Stars and Stripes are supposed to represent a Heavenly banner. I believe that our founding fathers were preserved and guided so that there might be a gathering place for the elect tribes of Israel in these latter days. A historical reference will help make this point. From 1856 until 1934, U.S. History books carried this account about George Washington: During the French and Indian War, Washington was a colonel in a British force commanded by General Edward Braddock. His column was ambushed as it approached Fort Duquesne in Southwest Pennsylvania. During the two-hour battle, the British suffered 714 casualties. Of the 80 officers serving under Braddock, Washington was the _only one_ not hit, even though several horses were shot out from under him. After the battle, Washington found four bullet holes in his coat and bullet fragments in his hair. He wrote a letter home and said that God had protected him. Fifteen years later, Washington again visited the area. He met an Indian chief who had come especially to see, "The man God would not let die in battle." The chief said that during the battle he had ordered his men to fire at Washington, since he was obviously a ranking officer. The chief himself aimed 17 shots directly at him, until he realized that no bullets would affect Washington. The message is clear. If America is to remain great, we, the people, must remain good, honest and steadfast in our devotion to Christian principles. If we allow the course of our nation to continue without a return to these principles, I believe the following possibilities, all of which are based on existing facts, proposed legislation or logical conclusion, could result: In order to curb crime, rising terrorism and drug abuse, the Constitution is suspended pursuant to Congressional action declaring a "National Crime and Drug Emergency." The President, using his executive powers under a national emergency, activates FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency). Martial law supersedes the Constitution and voids the Bill of Rights. Military installations are turned into holding compounds for any who actively oppose the new world order with its international laws. A State Church is established for those seeking religion. Everyone must receive an identifying, universal bar-coded mark. The laser tattoo, applied either to the right hand or forehead is invisible, but can easily be "read" by an infrared scanner. To control distribution of goods, services, population and production, no one can buy, sell or trade unless the transaction is recorded on a central computer (nick-named "the Beast") by the remote-scanner terminals. This extends to utilities and water accounts, purchase of heating and cooking fuels, gasoline, food, school lunches, medical attention, education, transit through highway toll gates, travel outside local area, mail, licensing, employment, etc. A debit system replaces tangible assets and currency. Universal "credit" tokens are issued for use in vending facilities. The "mark" is read at the time of settlement and the individual's account is either credited or debited. An acceptance of the scan will signal a satisfactory transaction. Any irregularity will be indicated by a rejection of the scan. Authorities are called to investigate all rejections. Local police departments are federalized and combined with international security forces to root out and apprehend any who refuse to accept citizenship in the new world order. All firearms and explosive devices are confiscated. Strict curfews are imposed for all whose mark doesn't indicate a need to be out after dark. An inoculation against the AIDS virus is provided only for those who are properly "marked." All others are prevented from receiving benefits and protection reserved for "new world order" citizens. The new world order is agreed to by all member states of the United Nations. A New States Constitution is adopted which replaces every other authority for government. Armed forces are fully integrated and converted into international peace-keeping units. Their mission is to put down all determined resistance to the new order beyond the scope of police units. New borders and names are assigned to replace old nationalistic identifications. All references to previous creeds and countries are discouraged. Esperanto is required study in all schools and will gradually become the universal language. The world-citizen identification mark separates those who have nothing to hide from the criminal and religious cults. The cashless society will prevent hoarding of wealth by criminal and unauthorized elements. Every government agency, merchant or service-oriented facility must purchase and use an IR-compatible (infrared) reader which networks with the central "Beast" computer located in Brussels. Inventories, orders, shipping and all manner of accountability are maintained through this centralized system. World population levels are brought to a scientifically determined balance by withholding aid to targeted "non-producer or parasite populations" experiencing famine, disease or other natural calamity. People are distributed as required to harvest natural resources and produce required goods. Do you want to live under such a controlled system? It is exciting to be Americans today during this time of prophetic reality. One only needs to read and have faith in the Bible to make the proper choice. As for me and my house, we will side with the Lord. As a soldier I learned to be fearless. To accomplish this requires absolute certainty concerning what awaits us beyond this life. As Christians, we know that in the end, we win! I don't believe our victory will "just happen." God has given us all that we need as stewards of His New Zion. It is up to us to take the necessary action to keep our charge free of weeds and tares. In the end it will be God's grace that will preserve us through the tribulation. The first action we must take is to restore America as a "...nation under God." We must be a "part of" instead "apart from" God if we are to receive His blessings. For those of little faith, I have included statistics that prove our departure from God (1962, 1963, 1980 Supreme Court decisions) began a slide downward which will likely continue until we realign our nation with Him. A violent crime occurs every 19 seconds. We must take personal, positive and forceful action to insure there is no further erosion of our Christian foundations. State laws are now being passed that make it illegal to say the Pledge of Allegiance in school because of the reference to God and our nation. Those states who have foolishly adopted such policy must reinstate our pledge. We must demand a reversal of Supreme Court decisions that go against our national principles. We must never allow our Constitution to be set aside in favor of any other form of rule. We must require our government officials to read, understand and follow the Constitution. We must guard against any attempt to "rewrite" the Constitution. We must insist that the Federal Reserve be "federalized" and our Congress accept their responsibility to regulate and coin money. We must exact accountability on our government representatives at all levels. No one person or group should be above the law. No president or council should be able to commit our military to an international pre-planned offensive operation without Constitutional approval of the Congress. In December 1990 the U.S. Congress considered ratifying a UN Resolution concerning "Protection of Children's rights." Several of the 54 Articles would outlaw home schooling, church youth camps, and allow a committee to transfer children away from their parents. We must return America to God through a revival of Christian ethics or lose our birthright to an international federation founded in atheism and the antichrist. In 1983 a Lichter-Rothman survey was made of the top 104 media leaders and their moral attitudes. Those interviewed included the elite in television, radio, motion picture, and publishing for news and entertainment. 97% of those who most influence our news and entertainment favored abortion on demand. 80% found nothing wrong with homosexuality and 86% advocated hiring homosexual teachers. 57% expressed a belief that there was no wrong in adultery. 44% denied any religion in their life. 93% did not attend church or religious services. Are these the viewpoints you want America to embrace? As responsible citizens, we have a duty to safeguard our children from such indoctrination. USA Today reported January 2, 1991 that more people were murdered in the United States in 1990 than any time in our history, "...and by most projections this is just the start of the nation's most violent decade." Your odds are much better at being murdered as an American than winning the lottery. Nineteen cities set records in 1990 for violence and murder. America is dying. We can win the war on drugs; flush the human sewage from our bureaucracy and have good government. The price is your personal involvement. We The People need to choose this day whether America will continue as a nation under gog or God? From oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!caen!batcomputer!reed!henson!news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu!ksjwr Thu Oct 29 14:57:19 PST 1992 Article: 6824 of alt.conspiracy Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy Path: oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!caen!batcomputer!reed!henson!news.u.washington.edu!raven.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu!ksjwr From: firstname.lastname@example.org (REDELSS JOHN W) Subject: Re: Bo Gritz Message-ID: <29OCT199209234254@acad3.alaska.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC Sender: email@example.com (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu Organization: University of Alaska - Fairbanks References: <10OCT199212594107@acad3.alaska.e> <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1992 17:23:00 GMT Lines: 28 In article <email@example.com>, NLG Civil Liberties Committee writes... > > >If both The Progressive and Soldier of Fortune do stories saying Gritz >is peddling anti-Semitic and White supremacist party lines, is that >a conspiracy or is it possible that it is true? Chip, I am a practicing Mormon. So is Bo Gritz. In the thirty years that I have attended church all over the country, I have not met ONE SINGLE MORMON who was an anti-Semite. This shouldn't be too hard to believe. According to Mormon doctrine, people who join our church are in most cases literal descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. In one sense, that means Mormons are Jews of the tribes Ephraim and Manasseh. This explains why practicing Mormons are virtually never anti-Semites. We even refer to nonMormons as Gentiles (unless they are Jewish of course). Now, either Bo Gritz is being lied about by those who accuse him of anti-Semitism, or he is incredibly stupid. I find the first case much easier to believe. The same kind of trash being spread about concerning Gritz was spread about concerning our founding Prophet Joseph Smith and is continually being spread about concerning current-day LDS by their enemies. On this particular subject I believe you are mistaken; you are listening to the wrong people. I hope it is an honest mistake. From oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!csa1.lbl.gov!sichase Thu Oct 29 14:58:03 PST 1992 Article: 6827 of alt.conspiracy Path: oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!csa1.lbl.gov!sichase From: firstname.lastname@example.org (SCOTT I CHASE) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy Subject: Re: Bo Gritz Date: 29 Oct 1992 12:45 PST Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory - Berkeley, CA, USA Lines: 63 Distribution: world Message-ID: <29OCT199212454825@csa1.lbl.gov> References: <10OCT199212594107@acad3.alaska.e> <email@example.com> <29OCT199209234254@acad3.alaska.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 184.108.40.206 News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 In article <29OCT199209234254@acad3.alaska.edu>, firstname.lastname@example.org (REDELSS JOHN W) writes... >In article <email@example.com>, NLG Civil Liberties Committee writes... >> >> >>If both The Progressive and Soldier of Fortune do stories saying Gritz >>is peddling anti-Semitic and White supremacist party lines, is that >>a conspiracy or is it possible that it is true? > >Chip, I am a practicing Mormon. So is Bo Gritz. In the thirty years that I >have attended church all over the country, I have not met ONE SINGLE MORMON who >was an anti-Semite. Yeah, right. Not a single Mormon is an anti-semite, racial bigot, close-minded, or in need of deodorant. I suppose it comes from basking in the glory of Jesus himself. In another recent post, we have some of the words of Gritz himself: >The foundation of America is the Holy Bible. Before you think I'm >some sort of a religious nut, please remember that I am an >intelligence officer. I've been trained to seek facts, to analyze >them, and then draw positive conclusions. The fact is that 53 out of >55 of our recognized founding fathers were Christians. From 3,152 >significant quotes, we find 94% either directly or indirectly >reference the Bible. >For example: John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the >American Revolution was this--it connected in one indissoluble bind, >the principles of civil government with the principle of >Christianity." >John Jay, our first Chief Justice, declared, "Providence has given to >our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as >the privilege and interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer >Christians for their rulers." >scripture is not valid in America. A 1796 Supreme Court case, Runkel >v. Wiremiller, established: "By our form of government the Christian >religion is the established religion." The justices cited 87 >I wonder if the learned justices have ever looked upon the wall of >their courtroom where the Ten Commandments are clearly before them? >Of course, since 1947, how many justices sitting on the Supreme Court >were true Christians? >The message is clear. If America is to remain great, we, the people, >must remain good, honest and steadfast in our devotion to Christian >principles. So exactly where is there a place for Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, etc., in a country governed by the likes of Bo Gritz? It doesn't seem to me like would be particularly welcome to express our opinions, run for government office, participate in the legal system, etc. Sounds like Gritz is a bigot, at least to me. -Scott -------------------- Scott I. Chase "It is not a simple life to be a single cell, SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV although I have no right to say so, having been a single cell so long ago myself that I have no memory at all of that stage of my life." - Lewis Thomas From oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!dsegard Thu Oct 29 14:58:26 PST 1992 Article: 6826 of alt.conspiracy Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy Path: oneb!cs.ubc.ca!destroyer!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx!dsegard From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Daniel Segard) Subject: Re: Conspiracy theories Message-ID: <1992Oct29.email@example.com> X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org (netnews admin account) Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. References: <1992Oct17.email@example.com> <1992Oct17.150516.1543@c Date: Thu, 29 Oct 92 19:41:12 GMT Lines: 9 > Is this the same Chip Berlet who said Bo Gritz is a member > of the Christian Identity Movement? (Bo Gritz is a Mormon). Oddly enough I have been hearing alot of arguement to that idea from the LDS sector. The Mormons that I have heard from claim that Gritz is definately not a Mormon. Is there any positive proof one way or the other?
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