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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.usa,alt.discrimination,alt.news-media,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: White empowerment is not racist
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James Burns (james_burns@mindlink.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4j3ti5$i6c@taurus.bv.sgi.net>, Dr Hyde  says:

(snip)

>>We don't have a NAAWP... so maybe we should get one...
> 
> You must have forgotten about the republican party.

BWAHAHAHA!!!  The Republican Party?  Pro-White?  BWAHAHAHA!!!

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Apr  1 09:38:13 PST 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.satanism,alt.magick,alt.vampyres,soc.culture.nordic,alt.religion.asatru
Subject: Re: SINISTER ORDER OF FENRIR: SINISTER NORSE FASCIST OCCULTISM
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Scott A. Reap (blakkr@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>      SOF is an Order of LaVeyian Satanists that uses the Norse mythos
> of the dark wolf "FENRIZ" to symbolise the "Aryan Satanist" (i.e pale
> skin,dark vision).We do NOT use race for a crutch,we reject all notions
> of being affilated with the KKK or skinheads.We know that what matters
> is REAL LIFE.Thus we base one's "worth" in our order on their "worth"
> in the real world.....material and economic success is what matters
> above all us in this day and age of fire and tooth and claw!
> 
> Unlike most "Occult Fascist" or "Satanic Neo-Nazis",we do not reject
> capitialism.Rather,we ENDORSE anarcho-capitalism and the free market
> economy as a true expression of dog-eat-dog.
> 
> For complete information write to SOF,1725-MADISON AVE,SUITE #8,
> MEMPHIS TN,38104.Make all checks and money orders payable to Scott A.
> Reap
> 
> For information on how to distribute SOF materials in your area,or
> perhaps your magazine,write care of Aragner (please make checks for
> this payable to Andrew).

Please keep this crap out of alt.politics.white-power and
alt.politics.nationalism.white.  We really don't want to read it, as it's
not relevant to any of our discussions.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Apr  1 09:38:14 PST 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.asatru,alt.magick,alt.satanism
Subject: Re: Sinister Order of Fenrir:A Brief Synopsis
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Scott A. Reap (blakkr@ix.netcom.com) writes:
>            SINISTER ORDER
>              OF FENRIR
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>     Sinister Order of Fenrir is an esoteric social-Darwinist Satanic
> organisation which promulgates GENUINE Satanism and promotes elitism is
> the only TRUE and actual form of administration.
> SOF is based firmly upon Anton Szandor LaVey's SATANIC BIBLE

... which he plagiarised shamelessly from Ragnar Redbeard's _Might is Right_.

> and other
> writings.While membership in Cos is not required,it is highly suggested
> as we only wish to recruit the truly elite.
> We endorse Social Darwinism as advocated by Willam Grahm Sumner,Ragnar
> Redbeard as well as advocating laiissez-faire capitalism.

Ragnar Redbeard was racist to the core.  You've obviously never read
_Might is Right_, where he talks about how Australians would bag an
aborigine whenever they got the chance, or where he argues that any White
father would rather see his daughter DEAD than in the arms of a negro.

(snip - rest of lark's vomit deleted)

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Apr  1 09:38:15 PST 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Sinister Order of Fenrir:A Brief Synopsis
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Karl Mac Mc Kinnon (capsatan@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu) writes:
> In article <4jfgfa$3d2@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
 
(snip)

Scott Reap:
>>> as we only wish to recruit the truly elite.
>>> We endorse Social Darwinism as advocated by Willam Grahm Sumner,Ragnar
>>> Redbeard as well as advocating laiissez-faire capitalism.
> 
>>Ragnar Redbeard was racist to the core.  You've obviously never read
>>_Might is Right_, where he talks about how Australians would bag an
>>aborigine whenever they got the chance, or where he argues that any White
>>father would rather see his daughter DEAD than in the arms of a negro.

>      Les, I think he HAS read it.  Scott IS a racist who PRENTENDS to be 
> a Satanist.  And as anyone who has read the Satanic Bible can tell you, 
> the Book of Satan (which is a straightforward emulation of Ranger 
> Redbeard) is NOT racist in any way, shape or form. 

Not surprising, seeing as how Anton LaVey is jewish.  Racism makes the
Self-Chosen very queasy.

> It has nothing TO DO with race.

You can say that again.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Apr  1 09:38:16 PST 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Dear Scott the know-nothing (was: Dear Les the Pest)
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Scott A. Reap (blakkr@ix.netcom.com) writes:

(snip - talking about Ragnar Redbeard's _Might is Right_, as if he knows
or understands what is written there)

>        Les;
> 
>      Of course I have read Might is Right...our entire philosophy is
> built on the his work.Funny how you (a racist nationial socialist if I
> am right) use HIS work to attack ME.Aren't most of you "nazis" using
> terms like "working class revloltuon,etc? If you know Redbeard,you know
> he hated the average workingman just as much as the negros,etc.

Not every man has it in him to be an elitist, dummy.  While I admire SOME
of what RR wrote, I am intelligent enough to realize that a society of
NOTHING BUT RADICAL REVOLUTIONARIES would be unworkable, not to mention
undesiarble.  ALL societies to date have required a large body of normal
people, led by an elite that was in the minority.  I don't recall Redbeard
ANYWHERE advocating anarchy.
 
> I am "Racist" in the sense that I would never socialise (on a sexual or
> non-sexual manner) with a non-white,I merely attack those using race as
> a crutch.

Then I guess that excludes everyone who truly believes in Race.

> Go back to you working class blue-collar pubs that Redbeard and I abhore so
> much remmeber...The Strong gets the gold.

Yes.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Scott the snot (was: Lessy the Nessie)
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Scott A. Reap (blakkr@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> I
> 
>     Les,Les,Les....I did not advocated anachry...nor did I advocated
> EVERYONE being elite (then what is the point of being elite?).I,as did
> Redbeard,adocated aristrocacy.You are right that all societys have been
> normal people that are ruled by an elite...I simiply don't understand
> the pride in being normal...such as is with your pals "working class
> pride",et al.

*sigh*

I'll explain it to you ONCE, and if it doesn't sink in, that's not my
problem:  there's NOTHING WRONG with being working class.  It isn't the 
epitome of existance, true, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it,
either.  White Racism is not about a working-class revolution, Scott.  It
recognizes differences WITHIN the Race, as well as the differences BETWEEN
the races.  Your SOF (hmm, same initials as Soldier of Fortune) sounds an
awful lot like other brands of "elitism" that want to be "different". but
want to be "respectable" at the same time.

Les





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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4ji48n$s2a@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>Moi:
>>>>And they would all puke if they saw what sort of people (and I use the
>>>>term very lightly) used the designation "liberal" today.  Name me _one_
>>>>liberal from times past who SUPPORTED multiracialism, Beaver.  
>>> 
>>> Thank God, er, goodness for progress.
>>
>>Typical liberal shit-head, equating ANY change, even change for the worse,
>>with "progress".
> 
> Typical *racist* (note: I said "racist,", not "conservative") shithead. 

Very good, Ctthulhu.  Your hero-biscuit is in the mail.

> You'd better explain how multiracialism is a change for the worse.

No, YOU'RE the one who is supportive of a radical change (it's been
radical since about 1965), so it's up to YOU to explain how multiracialism
is BENEFICIAL.  Most people don't want it, so you'd better get to work.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Apr  1 11:50:24 PST 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Burning churches (was: Are these the "Proud" Aryan warriors?)
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David Christian (dckom@future.atcom.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>>>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
>>>> 
> 
> 
>>> What about Susan Smith, the white American who killed her kids and claimed
>>> a black man did it?
> 
>>I KNEW this would come up sooner or later.  Trust that an absolute moron
>>like Caesar would bring it up.
> 
> Lester, for that matter does the name David Craig ring a bell? A Ga.
> Klan leader, who murdered his girl friend's husband, with her help. 
> They claimed a black man did it. By the way, the victim was a Kluxer
> himself. Craig had the decency to off hgimself in prison. Saved the
> Ga. taxpayers the expence of feeding him the rest of his sorry life.

Which proves what about the churches, dummy?
 
Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Whites are so superior.
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Another liberal warrior comes in here to try his skill:

"R.Pearson" (ryanp@saturn.execulink.com) writes:
> Any study that has shown blacks to be inferior to whites has also shown 
> whites to be inferior to asians.  Therefore, wouldn't asians then be the 
> master race???

"Whites", in IQ tests, is a dumping ground, in that the divisions are:
	a)  Orientals;
	b)  Blacks; and,
	c)  Everything else.

If the category of "whites" was restricted ONLY to those COMPLETELY and
EXCLUSIVELY of European background, one would see a CONSIDERABLE
difference.  Those smiling, nerdy Orientals wouldn't fare quite so well
against Whites as they do against a hodge-podge.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Kleim's Response to a Challenge
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> Kleim's latest missive is as follows:
> 
>> The mailbombings will commence with the next message from you.  Other
>> measures against you will increase proportionally to your unlawful
>> harassment of me. 
> 
> Note that the "harassment" Kleim refers to consisted of exactly _two_ mail
> messages: one, a forward of my original challenge to his "Homosexuality:
> Menace to Society" post, sent to him on 03/25/96, and the second a copy of
> the same post sent on 03/30/96. Kleim apparently considers two messages in
> five days to be "harassment".
> 
> One can only wonder why Kleim has such a violent over-reaction to someone
> asking him to discuss his views. One can only wonder if perhaps Kleim
> feels his views are above discussion.
> 
> Posted and emailed to Kleim.

Because, "JGB", you're a self-important little turd who makes it a
practice to harass people with your "posted and emailed" crap.  It's not
incumbent on the recipient to POLITELY ask you to stop; rather, their
responses are entirely appropriate to your electronic harrassment.  If you
choose to ignore the fair warning, how is that anyone's fault but your own?

Les





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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> Kleim's latest missive is as follows:
> 
>> The mailbombings will commence with the next message from you.  Other
>> measures against you will increase proportionally to your unlawful
>> harassment of me. 
> 
> Note that the "harassment" Kleim refers to consisted of exactly _two_ mail
> messages: one, a forward of my original challenge to his "Homosexuality:
> Menace to Society" post, sent to him on 03/25/96, and the second a copy of
> the same post sent on 03/30/96. Kleim apparently considers two messages in
> five days to be "harassment".
> 
> One can only wonder why Kleim has such a violent over-reaction to someone
> asking him to discuss his views. One can only wonder if perhaps Kleim
> feels his views are above discussion.
> 
> Posted and emailed to Kleim.

Because, "JGB", you're a self-important little turd who makes it a
practice to harass people with your "posted and emailed" crap.  It's not
incumbent on the recipient to POLITELY ask you to stop; rather, their
responses are entirely appropriate to your electronic harrassment.  If you
choose to ignore the fair warning, how is that anyone's fault but your own?

Les





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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4jn7i9$h7e@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>So?  Jews are (mis)classified as "white" in North America.
> 
> By who?  A lot of Jews look pretty white to me. But I wouldn't be suprised to 
> meet a black, yellow or red one.

Anyone who classifies a jew as white is misclassifying them.

> Being a Jew is following a religion. It's not a race.

No, it isn't.  Learn a little more about the RACIAL aspects of Judaism, as
well as the RELIGIOUS aspects of it.  Then come back here, idiot.  Until
you get your stories straight, you should shut up.  You DON'T know what
you're talking about, and it's embarrassing your liberal bum-buddies.

Les



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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> bob whitaker wrote:
>> 
>>   Another Establishment Good Boy!
> 
> Your answers are gettin quite repetitive. About seven references to
> "establishment good boys" today alone. I am not a U.S. citizen, I merely live
> here so I wonder what my unintentional connection with the 'establishment"
> is? Is this just your usual knee-jerk response to any criticism you might
> encounter??

Jews are internationalists, and so are their _shabbas goyim_.

Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4jm0sn$4ja@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>> You'd better explain how multiracialism is a change for the worse.
>>
>>No, YOU'RE the one who is supportive of a radical change (it's been
>>radical since about 1965), so it's up to YOU to explain how multiracialism
>>is BENEFICIAL.  Most people don't want it, so you'd better get to work.
> 
> Multiracialism: people of different races living together. 

Gee, that's GOOD.
 
> This is not a radical change.

It is so.  It never obtained before the Powers-That-Be decided to IMPOSE
it on us.
 
> Most people don't actually "want" it because they already have it and
> consider it normal.

What?!?

> It's never been radical change. Not even in 1965.

If it was such an acceptable idea, why was it NEVER voted on, Slimy Green Guy?

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) whines like bacon fat on a hot 
stove: 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) babbles:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>  
>>> [edit]
>  
>>>>Indeed.  So why are niggers still so backward?
> 
>>> Another insightful and informative question from 
>>> the forward-looking Herr Oberpimpfenfuhrer himself.
> 
>>Which you liberal filth aren't even TRYING to answer, mostly because you
>>know that you can't, without talking about HOW socially retarded negroes are.
> 
> Herr Unteruberfartenfuhrer, I know that you find me tiresome.  I
> find you just as tiresome, believe me.  I'm not trying to
> answer the question because it isn't a legitimate question.  

No, you're not trying to answer the question, because you CAN'T.  Any
attempt to address the issue will result in something like this:

Liberal turd:  "Well, people of colour have played an IMPORTANT ROLE
in the creation and furtherance of White Western culture!"

White racist:  "Really?  Well, name one significant thing that duskies
have done."

Liberal turd:  "Well, there's Dr. Charles Drew.  Also Dr. G.W. Carver."

White racist:  "I said DUSKIES, not mulattoes."

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) babbles:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> [edit]
> 
>>Cthulhu is just one of many liberal whiners who's complaining that my question
>>contains some unspecified terms, ie "niggers" and "backwards".  They then
>>go on with acting all high and mighty, pretending that if I can't "prove"
>>it (that niggers are backwards), that somehow proves that they're not. 
>>Really, talking about negro incompetence is like trying to explain sunlight.
> 
> Note the level to which Herr Oberweinenundschnickenfuhrer elevates the debate.
> His use of quotation marks around the word "prove" suggests that there is no
> such thing as proof.  

Not to liberal shit-for-brains like Cthulhu, Beaver, or you.  Face it,
Fester, you have an emotional attachment to your ideology, and anything
that we submit as evidence to back up our points will be airily dismissed
by you One-Worlders.

> But not only that, by apparently casting doubt on the very concept of proof,
> Herr Unterschtinckenfuhrer elevates his racism to the realm of an ideology
> that is beyond proof but instead on the level of a religious doctrine that
> must be accepted on faith alone.  

Gee, and I was thinking EXACTLY THE SAME THING about you.  Maybe we're
soul-mates, Fester :-)

Les




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Robert Whitaker (QKAJ78A@prodigy.com) writes:
>    Rajiv, Cthulu, Little Beaver,, do any of you deny that your 
> "multiculturalism" has two characteristics:  1) it is demanded of all 
> countries where the majority is white and 2)  It is demanded ONLY in 
> countries where the majority is white.  Nobody demands multiculturalism 
> of Japan or Kenya or Egypt, but you all demand it in Denmark and Austria. 
>  Do you deny that.  This is straight and simple anti-white racism. 

A very good point, and one that the liberal pansies here will be unable to
address, except to admit that it's true.  Therefore, I expect that they
will ignore it.

Les
 




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4jjnes$cmj@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
>>> In article <4j8h8e$i5g@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>Yes.  Turks and Lebanese are SEMITES.
>>> 
>>> A lot of semites look pretty white to me.
>>
>>Funny.  You just got over telling me that some doofus "proved" to me that
>>Turks aren't semites, now you're agreeing that they ARE?
> 
> No. I said that *semites* look pretty white to me. 

Oh, so now we have to accept as White anyone who "look[s]" White to a guy
that can be blind-folded with dental floss?

Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4jjneu$cmp@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> 
>>>>> and [burning] Black churches under cover of darkness;
>>>>
>>>>What proof?
>>> 
>>> If you're really so stupid that you don't know *this*, then you are truly
>> sad.
>>
>>Translation:  we'd like to BELIEVE that White Supremacists do the above,
>>even though we can't supply convincing evidence (or ANY evidence) about
>>it.  So I'll call Les stupid and sad.
> 
> Convincing evidence? Just pick up any book. The former (bombing immigrant 
> hostels) has been done by neo-nazis in Germany for at least a decade. The 
> latter is something that the KKK is infamous for. Obvously you don't read. 

Translation:  I'm too lazy to look anything up, so I'll imply that
"everyone" knows it, and accuse Les of illiteracy.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Preserving multi"culturalism"
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Why does it escape fans of multiCULT that the BEST way to PRESERVE all of
these wonderful, diverse cultures is through SEPARATION?  Throwing all
sorts of races together will ONLY result in a bastardized mix.

Les



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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4jq7dc$h6j@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

> Gee. Don't rap music, rock n' roll, break dancing, funk, jazz and blues count 
> as important contributions to "white culture"?

No.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Apr  6 11:51:43 PST 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) whines like snow tires on wet 
pavement:

(snip)

> [edited out Stone's suggestion that I go away]

Why?  It was a valid suggestion.  You have NOTHING to contribute to
anything that's said here; at best, you can play at being a "gadfly", like
Socrates, making a noise (and a whiny one at that), but not really saying
anything.

(snip)
 
> Strictly speaking, one cannot define such a word without reference to the
> context in which it is used.  When I say that I am walking backward, I
> might mean that I am moving in the opposite direction to the one in which
> I am facing.  I would prefer to see Mr. Griswold's clarification of
> his meaning before pursuing this further.

Translation:  I know that Les is right, and I'm wrong, so I'll play some
word games to stall for time.

Les




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Another demonstration of liberal fixation with the trivial, in violation
of common sense:
  
Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
>> Really, talking about negro incompetence is like trying to explain 
>> sunlight.
> 
> They actually did figure that one out, Les.
> 
> Y'know.  Comes from the sun.  Little waves.  whoop whoop whoop!  soo cute.
  
Yes, Stewie.  Nuclear physics also tells us that what appears to be solid
matter is actually made up of mostly empty space.  So go slam your head
against a brick wall, and tell us what happens.
  
Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4jvduk$9aj@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:

(snip)

>>> Maybe that's because there's no violent opposition to multiculturalism
>>> there, and it's happening at its own pace in these places.  (these
>>> places being Japan and Kenya)
 
>>So why does it have to be forced down the throats of Whites?  Why not "let
>>it happen at its own pace"?
> 
> Because RACISTS (and not all whites) refuse to let it happen at its own pace.

Ever been to Japan, Cthulhu?  Ever seen how they treat/think/speak of
Ainu?  Or what they have to say about Koreans?  Japs don't swallow this
multiracial hogwash one little bit, but it doesn't seem to be a matter of
great concern to you scum.  Just force it on Whitey.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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 (flash@flash.net) writes:
> On Thu, 04 Apr 96 05:55:46 GMT, DB@cooper.net (D.B.Cooper) wrote:
> 
>>I stumbled across this while web surfing this morning. 
>>
>>If Lincoln said this today, he'd be branded the most 'vile' type of 'racist'.  
>>Lincoln would be considered Even more racist than David Duke or the "Ophra/Donahue"
>>KKK panelist.  The following was on the site:
>>
>>http://nickel.ucs.indiana.edu/~mtmurphy/cw.html
>>
>>In the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates, Lincoln did not hesitate to dispel the
>>notion that he was a champion of racial equality: 
>>
>>"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about
>>in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races -
>>that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of
>>negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white 
>>people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical 
>>difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever 
>>forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political 
>>equality." 
>>
>>Abraham Lincoln, Fourth Lincoln-Douglas Debate, September 18, 1858 
> 
> Point please.

But that ain't all!  Check out the following:

>From  _The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln_, edited by Roy P. Basler,
Rutgers University Press, 1953

IN A SPEECH AT PEORIA, ILLINOIS, OCTOBER 16, 1854:

"Free them [the Negroes], and make them politically and socially, our
equals?  My own feelings will not admit of this; and if mine would, we
well know that those of the great mass of White people will not.  Whether
this accords with justice and sound judgement, is not the sole question,
if indeed, it is any part of it.  A universal feeling, whether well or
ill-founded can not be safely disregarded." - Vol. II, p. 256.

IN AN ADDRESS AT SPRINGFIELD, ILLINOIS, JUNE 26, 1857:

"A separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation,
but as immediate separation is impossible the next best thing is to keep
them apart where they are not already together... Such separation, if ever
effected at all, must be effected by colonization... The enterprise is a
difficult one, but 'where there is a will there is a way;' and what
colonization needs now is a hearty will.  Will springs from the two
elements of moral sense and self-interest.  Let us be brought to believe
it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or at least not
against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we
shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be." - Vol. II, 
pp. 408-9

IN A DEBATE WITH STEPHEN DOUGLAS AT OTTAWA, ILLINOIS, AUGUST 21, 1858:

"I have no purpose to introduce political and social equality between the
White and black races.  There is a physical difference between the two
which in my judgment, will forever forbid their living together upon the
footing of perfect equality; and inasmuch as it becomes a necessity that
there must be a difference, I am in favor of the race to which I belong
having the superior position." - Vol. III, p. 16

ON AUGUST 14, 1862, TO A "DEPUTATION OF FREE NEGROES", WHO CALLED ON HIM
AT THE WHITE HOUSE, HE SAID:

"You and we are different races.  We have between us a broader difference
than exists between almost any other races.  Whether it be right or wrong
I need not discuss; but this physical difference is a great disadvantage
to us both, as I think.  Your race suffer very greatly, many of them by
living among us, while ours suffer from your presence.  In a word, we
suffer on each side.  If this is admitted, it affords a reason why we
should be separated...

"... Your race are suffering, in my judgment, the greatest wrong inflicted
on any people.  But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far
removed from being placed on an equality with the White race... on this
broad continent, not a single man of your race is made the equal of a
single man of ours.  Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is
still upon you.

"... I cannot alter it if I would.  I need not recount to you the effects
upon White men, growing out of the institution of Slavery.  See our
present condition - the country engaged in war! - our White men cutting
one another's throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then
consider what we know to be the truth.  But for your race among us there
would be no war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for
you one way or the other... It is better for us both, therefore, to be
separated." - Vol. V, pp. 371-5

(On August 15, 1862, a law was passed appropriating $100,000 for freed
Negroes in the District of Columbia, and $500,000 for freed slaves in the
hands of the Army.  This was for colonization. - Vol. V, p. 370)

WHEN LINCOLN SIGNED THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, HE SAID:

"I have urged the colonization of the negroes, and I shall continue.

"My Emancipation Proclamation was linked with this plan.  There is no room
for two distinct races of White men in America, much less for two distinct
races of Whites and blacks.

"I can conceive of no greater calamity than the assimilation of the negro
into our social and political life as our equal...

"Within twenty years we can peacefully colonize the negro and give him our
language, literature, religion, and system of government under conditions
in which he can rise to the full measure of manhood.  This he can never do
here.  We can never attain the ideal union our fathers dreamed, with
millions of an alien, inferior race among us, whose assimilation is
neither possible nor desirable." - Vol. V, pp. 371-5

Many illuminating quotes concerning Lincoln's view of negroes came out of his 
debates with Stephen Douglas, with whom he competed for the presidency. 
However, lest anyone come to the erroneous conclusion that Stephen Douglas
was some wild-eyed abolitionist, consider the following:

>From  _Race and Reason_, by Carleton Putnam, Public Affairs Press, 1967:

"Now I say to you, my fellow-citizens, that in my opinion the signers of
the Declaration [of Independence] had no reference to the Negro
whatsoever, when they declared all men to be created equal.  They desired
to express by that phrase White men, men of European birth and European
descent, and had no reference either to the Negro, the savage Indians, the
Fiji or the Malay... One great evidence that such was their understanding
is to be found in the fact that at that time every one of the thirteen
colonies was a slaveholding colony, every signer of the Declaration
represented a slaveholding constituency, and we know that no one of them
emancipated his slaves, much less offered citizenship to them, when they
signed the Declaration; and yet, if they intended to declare that the
Negro was the equal of the White man, and entitled by divine right to any
equality with him, they were bound, as honest men, that day and hour to
have put their Negroes on an equality with themselves..."

So there you have it, negrophiles.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> The New Omnipotent All-Powerful Grillo  wrote:
> 
>>It looks like this broad has a fetish for ear wax and urine.  Probably 
>>likes golden showers while coated in wax.  What a pervert.  I wondet what 
>>she does with her dog. 
> 
> You must have missed out on Mr. Griswold's posts where explained that
> among the biological characteristics distinguishing "whites" from all
> the rest of humanity is their ear wax and urine chemistry.  The "obsession"
> is Mr. Griswold's, not mine.  Do you think he's a pervert?

If I'M the one with the fetish, WHY is it that ONLY you liberal perverts
and degenerates keep bringing it up?  Is it because you "think" (and I use
the term VERY advisedly) that you can score points with it?  Well, you do.
 Like Orouborous says, no one likes to be associated with losers like you.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) stalls for time:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) babbles:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>  
> [edit]
> 
>>>>When two closely related branches cross, that is NOT miscegenation.  When
>>>>a White crosses with a non-White, that IS miscegenation.
>  
>>> How close is close enough, Herr Unteruntenmenschenfuhrer?  How do you
>>> gauge which "branches" can cross and which ones can't?
> 
>>Don't be cutesy, Fester.  The original allegation was that the Saxons and
>>the Danes crossing was "miscegenation".  That implies that it is at the
>>same level of morality and biology as crossing a negro and a White. 
>>That's too stupid for words, but it fits right in with liberal ideology.
> 
> Who's being "cutesy", Herr Oberweinerschnitzelfuhrer?  And what on earth
> does *your* sense of morality have to do with it?  Whether Danes and
> Angles marrying and having children would have constituted "miscegenation"
> depended entirely on how their cultures at the time viewed each other. 

No, it depends on biological fact.

> If the Danes considered the Angles to be barbaric, subhuman untermenschen,
> then it would have been regarded as "miscegenation".

That's yet another liberal semantic game:  racism equals nationalism, in
your puny minds, and all forms of bigotry are the same to you.  Never mind
the facts of biology, Whites antagonistic to other Whites are in the same
position as Whites antagonistic to non-Whites.

Les




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David Byrden (Goyra@iol.ie) writes:

(nothing.  A typical liberal argument)

When two closely related branches cross, that is NOT miscegenation.  When
a White crosses with a non-White, that IS miscegenation.

Les




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Rob Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> Yo! Big Fella! A question for ya:
> 
> Let us suppose that the National Alliance, by some means, found itself in
> the seats of power in Canada and the US tomorrow morning.
> 
> Now, given the overwhelming popular rejection of your philosophy (as I
> tried to discuss with you in a previous thread), just how do y'all plan to
> run the countries?
> 
> Put aside the question of having to quell massive dissent for a minute-
> 
> What I'm wondering is, where do you find the expertise to manage the
> nuts-and-bolts operations of two huge countries?
> 
> Would you, being in the security profession, suddenly find yourself
> Secretary of Defense? And assuming (for the sake of arguement) that the NA
> is smart enough to avoid strict isolationism, who would be dealing with
> other countries in matters of diplomacy and commerce? (Forgive me for
> saying so, but diplomacy is not a skill you folks have demonstrated in
> this forum). 
> 
> So, to make a long question short, how is it y'all plan to handle
> *success* as a miniscule minority of the population?

How do the Chosen minority do it?  Popular approval?

Les



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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4k215t$cq6@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
>>> In article <4jq7dc$h6j@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>> (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>
>>> Gee. Don't rap music, rock n' roll, break dancing, funk, jazz and blues count
>> 
>>> as important contributions to "white culture"?
>>
>>No.
> 
> Well then Les, you must be a very deprived child. Whatsa matter, don't like 
> rock n' roll?

I never said that (typical of you liberals to take a statement and run
with it).  What I SAID was, rap "music", rock n' roll, break dancing,
funk, jazz and blues didn't count as important contributions to white culture.

Les




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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4k76ft$16k@newsource.ihug.co.nz>
>            p_stone@alchemy.co.nz "Ourobouros" writes:
> 
>> Secondly, as you have so kindly mentioned before, they were Soviet former
>> territories.  No further explanation should be required.
> 
> The white former Soviet territories of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are
> doing a lot better than the white former Soviet terriotories of
> Ukraine, Belarus and Moldova.

*sigh*

Ourobouros' point is, SOME of the former Soviet territories are doing
poorly.  SOME of them are doing well.  But ALL of the White man's former
territories in Africa are doing poorly.

Les



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bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:

[edit]

>> [edited out Stone's suggestion that I go away]

>Why?  It was a valid suggestion.  You have NOTHING to contribute to
>anything that's said here; at best, you can play at being a "gadfly", like
>Socrates, making a noise (and a whiny one at that), but not really saying
>anything.

And what do you contribute, Herr Oberfartenundpimpfenschtickenfuhrer?
Besides your thought provoking questions (like "why are niggers less
evolved?"), which you don't know how to handle so you change them to
something even more ridiculous and vague (like "why are niggers so
backward?").  And the brilliant evidence you have carefully (and very
selectively) gleaned from choice scholarly works on "racial science"
like the businessman Carleton Putnam's 35 year old piece of garbage.
And the truly astonishing conclusions you have drawn based on your
"thorough" and "careful" research, telling us that among the distinctive
features of the "white race" are a unique kind of earwax and a unique
urine chemistry (not even true, even if its triviality goes unchallenged).

But let's not forgot your penchant for name-calling and profanity,
which really demonstrate the level of your posts and the breathtaking
contribution they make to discussion.

>> Strictly speaking, one cannot define such a word without reference to the
>> context in which it is used.  When I say that I am walking backward, I
>> might mean that I am moving in the opposite direction to the one in which
>> I am facing.  I would prefer to see Mr. Griswold's clarification of
>> his meaning before pursuing this further.

>Translation:  I know that Les is right, and I'm wrong, so I'll play some
>word games to stall for time.

Translation:  Herr Unterzweickeroberunderwearenfuhrer still won't clarify
his question or provide any evidence to support the vague assertions it
contains.  Trolling, Herr Griswold?




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Deliverance (bretts@sccsi.com) writes:
> In article <4k0i5q$3cg@dfw-ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>, nich40@ix.netcom.co 
> says...
>>
>>In <4jvhlb$4j5@guava.epix.net> jcdl@email.zoop.net (Jack Lachtser)
>>writes: 
>>>
> 
>>>>>>>Good.  Why don't you pack your bags and go somewhere that was set
>>up by minorities.  Haiti, Africa (except SA), Peking, Angola, lebanon,
>>Iran, etc.
> 
>   First of all, Peking (whose actual name is Beijing) is NOT a country. And 
> as far as countries set up by minorities, I seem to remember that when 
> British colonists landed at Jamestown in 1607, they just happened to be in 
> the minority. Ditto for Plymouth in 1620. Whites WERE the minority when we 
> landed on these shores and when the USA was established. One need only read a 
> history book to realize this.

Okee-dokee.  Let's compare the U.S.A. with, say... Haiti.  They're both
about the same age.

Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4k1tnv$c52@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:

(snip)

>>> New West Minster, British Columbia. FOUNDED on multiculturalism.
>>
>>Bull.  The Chinese and other aliens wouldn't be in British Columbia if the
>>White man hadn't a) hauled them over here, and b) with his ingenuity,
>>built and directed the creation of a society that non-Whites would enjoy.
> 
> Wrong. The Chinese came here on their own accord, first during the Gold Rush. 

Bullshit.  But believe what you want.

> And *they* built the Chinese communities, not the "whites."

Ooh, and the Chinese communities are just so great, eh?
 
>>> Every Chinatown in North America. > 
>>
>>'Scuse me?!?  Chinatowns are based on the premise of SEPARATION, dude, NOT
>>integration.
> 
> That wasn't the question I was answering to. The question was about 
> MULTICULTURALISM.

... by bringing in totally frivolous "arguments", about ghetto communities.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) drools:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) wrote:

>>> [edited out Stone's suggestion that I go away]
> 
>>Why?  It was a valid suggestion.  You have NOTHING to contribute to
>>anything that's said here; at best, you can play at being a "gadfly", like
>>Socrates, making a noise (and a whiny one at that), but not really saying
>>anything.
> 
> And what do you contribute, Herr Oberfartenundpimpfenschtickenfuhrer?
> Besides your thought provoking questions (like "why are niggers less
> evolved?"), which you don't know how to handle so you change them to
> something even more ridiculous and vague (like "why are niggers so
> backward?").

Ah, been taking lessons from Jeffrey G. Brown, have you?  Can't pull your
own weight?

> And the brilliant evidence you have carefully (and very
> selectively) gleaned from choice scholarly works on "racial science"
> like the businessman Carleton Putnam's 35 year old piece of garbage.

Mr. Putanm's "35 year old piece of garbage"... which you have entirely
failed to address, relying instead upon defamation of Mr. Putnam's
character.  "He's an anti-semite!", you've trumpeted, as if that settled
the issue.

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) talks around:

(snip)

[Ouro.]:
>>Believe or not, PC Maps can distinguish the races quite well.
>>Your argument is debunked, please stop repeating such garbage in future.
> 
> Wow, that was a compelling argument.  You sure convinced me, Mr. Stone.
> You say it is so, and that's it, isn't it!!  Whataguy!!
> 
> As it happens, I came across a book the other day with some PC maps
> in it.  It is a book by L.L. Cavalli-Sforza and his son F. C-S,
> "The Great Human Diasporas: The History of Diversity and Evolution",
> published in 1995.  The maps include Europe west of the Caucasus 
> mountains or thereabouts (?), Turkey and parts of the Middle East.

Was that before or after Cavalli-Sforza said that there should be NO
investigations into racial differences?

(rest of useless Fester cow-snot deleted)

Les



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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4kc0bk$8p9@newsource.ihug.co.nz>
>            p_stone@alchemy.co.nz "Ourobouros" writes:
> 
>> 
>> One of the simplest ideas that immigrants from darkest Africa miss is 
>> basic hygiene.  Most do not even know what a toilet is (they just excrete
>> in the local washing river). 
> 
> People in medieval English towns used to shit in the nearest river as
> well.
> 
> There was a massive cholera epidemic in 1840s London because of
> the unhygenic water people were drinking.

Just a couple of quick questions, Pizza Dude/Dudette:

1)  Is this 1840s London we're discussing, or 1990s Africa?  I thought so.

2)  Are you then suggesting that negroes are equivalent to 1840s
Londoners, and that we therefore have an obligation to "help them out"? 
If so, let me point something out to you:  NO ONE helped the 1840s
Londoners out of their situation.  They did it themselves.

BTW, is this just another example of a liberal dichotomy, to whit, any
anthropological research more than 30 years old is wrong, but how whites
used to live more than a century ago can somehow be used as justification
for the squallor and primitiveness of negroes today?

Les





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Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) writes:
> In article <4kb9pt$6f3@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca (Ken McVay OBC) says:
>>
>>In article <4jsod9$ckc@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, Les Griswold wrote:
>>
> 		*sigh*
> 
> Here we go again:
> 
> [Les]
> 
>>   "When two closely related branches cross, that is NOT 
>>   miscegenation.  When a White crosses with a non-White, 
>>   that IS miscegenation."
>>
>>Interesting that Mr. Griswold choses to ignore the genetic
>>evidence - evidence which makes it clear that his thesis is
>>sheer, unadulterated crap.
>>
> How many times does something have to be repeated?

With liberals, don't expect an end to having to repeat yourself.  They
just KNOW that they're right.
 
> How many more times will McVay demonstrate that he likes being blissfully
> ignorant?

As often as he posts.
 
> Believe or not, PC Maps can distinguish the races quite well.
> 
> Your argument is debunked, please stop repeating such garbage in future.

Don't hold your breath, though.  Garbage and half-baked stories are his
stock-in-trade.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stewart "Chicken a la" King (slking@scws32.harvard.edu) writes:
> Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) wrote:
> : In article <4kb4ug$3t@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
> : bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) says:
> 
> : [Les]
> : Ourobouros' point is, SOME of the former Soviet territories are doing
> : poorly.  SOME of them are doing well.  But ALL of the White man's former
> : territories in Africa are doing poorly.
> 
> Well they're not quite the same thing, now are they?  The Soviet chunks 
> were part of a nation that the Russians were (supposedly) trying to 
> govern to maximum efficiency and development.  I'm not saying they were 
> doing this well, but the effort was there. 

Bullshit.  The commies, just like the capitalists, were/are ONLY
interested in their OWN furtherance.  Life is not all peachy keen, Stewie.

> All the Europeans wanted from Africa was raw materials; they weren't trying
> to build up the societies or infrastructures at all.  

But they did anyway.  Really, Stewie, you're letting your obvious
anti-White passions get in the way of your (supposedly) noble ideas.  This
reminds me of the loony leftists who were getting woodies over the suicide
of South Africa in April 1994:  "This is the first time Blacks have voted
in THREE HUNDRED YEARS!", conveniently forgetting that it was the first
time that negroes EVER voted.
 
> : This of course demonstrates the liberals quest to twist words. 
> : Unfortunately for caesar, this thread starts with "Secondly" which would
> : hint at a "firstly."  It also demonstrates that liberals can only change
> : topic as opposed to debating them.  Though of course, liberals like Miss
> : Finsten insist that they do not in fact "dodge" topics.
> 
> All liberals, Ouro?  Every last one?

Basically, yes.

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) breaks out her violin:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>>>2)  Are you then suggesting that negroes are equivalent to 1840s
>>>>Londoners, and that we therefore have an obligation to "help them out"? 
>>>>If so, let me point something out to you:  NO ONE helped the 1840s
>>>>Londoners out of their situation.  They did it themselves.
> 
> The wealth accumulated through colonialism, derived from the labour
> of those colonised and from the land expropriated through colonialism,
> "helped" the British immensely, Herr Oberschleppenundguzzlenfuhrer.

Yes, Fester, I'm not going to deny that the British colonized much of
Africa, and other parts of the non-White world.  But, I WILL say, SO WHAT?
 Do you SERIOUSLY think that it was ALL a one-way street?  That the
colonized got NOTHING in return for their contributions to
colonialisation?  Try literacy, medicine above the witch-doctor level,
and basic hygiene, for starters.  Then, if you can get your anti-White
bigotry out of the way for a few minutes, go from there.
 
(snip)
 
> The British don't show the same "colonial verve" today, either,

No, they don't.  More's the pity.

> or perhaps you are stuck in the 1930s.  And perhaps you haven't noticed that
> today such "colonial verve", perhaps exemplified by Saddam Hussein's aborted
> attempt to annex Kuwait, is considered to constitute nothing more than
> invasion.  The standards have changed somewhat.

Yes, they have.  Mostly in the semantics.  Plus, in the New World Order,
we can't have anyone (ESPECIALLY Muslims) actually FIGHTING, with soldiers
and everything, eh?

Les







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Stewart "Chicken a la" King (slking@scws32.harvard.edu) writes:
> Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) wrote:
> : In article <4kb4ug$3t@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
> : bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) says:
> 
> : [Les]
> : Ourobouros' point is, SOME of the former Soviet territories are doing
> : poorly.  SOME of them are doing well.  But ALL of the White man's former
> : territories in Africa are doing poorly.
> 
> Well they're not quite the same thing, now are they?  The Soviet chunks 
> were part of a nation that the Russians were (supposedly) trying to 
> govern to maximum efficiency and development.  I'm not saying they were 
> doing this well, but the effort was there. 

Bullshit.  The commies, just like the capitalists, were/are ONLY
interested in their OWN furtherance.  Life is not all peachy keen, Stewie.

> All the Europeans wanted from Africa was raw materials; they weren't trying
> to build up the societies or infrastructures at all.  

But they did anyway.  Really, Stewie, you're letting your obvious
anti-White passions get in the way of your (supposedly) noble ideas.  This
reminds me of the loony leftists who were getting woodies over the suicide
of South Africa in April 1994:  "This is the first time Blacks have voted
in THREE HUNDRED YEARS!", conveniently forgetting that it was the first
time that negroes EVER voted.
 
> : This of course demonstrates the liberals quest to twist words. 
> : Unfortunately for caesar, this thread starts with "Secondly" which would
> : hint at a "firstly."  It also demonstrates that liberals can only change
> : topic as opposed to debating them.  Though of course, liberals like Miss
> : Finsten insist that they do not in fact "dodge" topics.
> 
> All liberals, Ouro?  Every last one?

Basically, yes.

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) breaks out her violin:
>>> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>>>2)  Are you then suggesting that negroes are equivalent to 1840s
>>>>Londoners, and that we therefore have an obligation to "help them out"? 
>>>>If so, let me point something out to you:  NO ONE helped the 1840s
>>>>Londoners out of their situation.  They did it themselves.
> 
> The wealth accumulated through colonialism, derived from the labour
> of those colonised and from the land expropriated through colonialism,
> "helped" the British immensely, Herr Oberschleppenundguzzlenfuhrer.

Yes, Fester, I'm not going to deny that the British colonized much of
Africa, and other parts of the non-White world.  But, I WILL say, SO WHAT?
 Do you SERIOUSLY think that it was ALL a one-way street?  That the
colonized got NOTHING in return for their contributions to
colonialisation?  Try literacy, medicine above the witch-doctor level,
and basic hygiene, for starters.  Then, if you can get your anti-White
bigotry out of the way for a few minutes, go from there.
 
(snip)
 
> The British don't show the same "colonial verve" today, either,

No, they don't.  More's the pity.

> or perhaps you are stuck in the 1930s.  And perhaps you haven't noticed that
> today such "colonial verve", perhaps exemplified by Saddam Hussein's aborted
> attempt to annex Kuwait, is considered to constitute nothing more than
> invasion.  The standards have changed somewhat.

Yes, they have.  Mostly in the semantics.  Plus, in the New World Order,
we can't have anyone (ESPECIALLY Muslims) actually FIGHTING, with soldiers
and everything, eh?

Les







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Matt Nuenke () writes:
> On 8 Apr 1996 19:22:11 GMT, lblack  wrote:

(snip - hysteria deleted)

>>So I say this (and I mean you Les); 
>>
>>Why are white supremacists so backwards.  

They aren't.  My question was based in empirical observation, and
(relative) impartiality; yours is based in defensiveness and outrage.

>>In fact:  
>>
>>Prove to me that the 'white race' as a whole isn't backwards.

See above.

>>By backwards, I mean "slow in development or retarded".  Did 
>>you get that?  Good.  

Using that definition of "backwards", the question is totally ludicrous,
and your inability to address the original question is revealed.  So you
hope to divert attention by venting some of your spleen against what you
know to be the truth (ie, that niggers are backwards).

> Actually, if you are talking about intelligence, then whites are
> backwards when compared to Asians. 

Nonsense.

> Also, Asians are backwards when compared to the white group of Jews.

That's neat.  Jews constitute whites when it's beneficial to them, but are
just a religious group when the white label is not advantageous.  Geez,
and Crazy Jeannie thinks that *I* have mighty morphin' power kids - THEY
can do it with a whole RACE!

> Any grouping can be used to compare backwardness between groups if IQ is the
> criteria or proxy for backwardness. 

... and if sloppy criteria are used to determine who is "white".

> Once this is established or accepted, then it is just a
> matter of giving an IQ test to the different groups to determine who
> is the most backward. Why such a fuss over such an easy concept. All
> we have to do is accept how superior the Jews are to everyone else and
> let them rule the world. But then, male Jews still suffer from the
> testosterone problem and nepotism. The best world government would be
> made up of Jewish lesbians. They would be intelligent, egalitarian,
> non-aggressive, and would not practice nepotism. A perfect government.

:-)

Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4kf7id$1mf@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> 
>>>>> And *they* built the Chinese communities, not the "whites."
>>>>
>>>>Ooh, and the Chinese communities are just so great, eh?
>>> 
>>> You are speaking to a Chinese-Canadian (who was born in Canada, BTW). What
>>> the hell do you *THINK* my answer is?
>>
>>Yes, I know you're biased in favour of chinese.  Mighty white of you to
>>admit it, finally.
> 
> Admit is the wrong word. I FLAUNT it.

Why?

>>Ghetto communities also make outsiders feel UNWELCOME.  It is the height
>>of brazeness for non-Whites to come here and recreate exactly the
>>conditions they were fleeing from originally, and to make Whites feel like
>>intruders.
> 
> This is incorrect. Of course.

How so?

Les




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Arthur LeBouthillier (pendragn@cyberg8t.com) writes:
> Cthulu,  says:
> 
>>In article <4kembl$8f4@gate.cyberg8t.com>, Arthur LeBouthillier > wrote:
>>>Cthulu,  asks
>>
>>>Can you read? As I specifically stated, by one connotation, a race
>>>is an ethnic group. Therefore, since Jews are an ethnic group, they
>>>are a race. The term "ethnic group" didn't come into popularity until
>>>after WW2. Prior to that, "race" was the common word for all ethnic
>>>groupings whether explicitly linked by blood or not.
>>
>> A race is certainly different from an Ethnic group. The Vietnamese
>> and Chinese are in different ethnic groups. Ditto for the Ukranians
>> and the French. If you're going to say that the Vietnamese and
>> Chinese are of different races, then I'd be surprised.
> 
> You liberals pretend you're so damn sophisticated and then you can't
> seem to appreciate the fact that a single lexical unit (a written
> word) may have several connotations (which may or may not be related
> to each other). Ambiguity is a feature of all human languages. There
> is a difference between lexical, syntactic and semantic symbols in
> the mind (at least in most people's minds).
> 
> In accordance with at least several definitions of the word "race,"
> there most definitely *IS* a Chinese Race and a Vietnamese Race.
> They are not the same race, although they may both belong to a larger
> abstraction, also called "a race" (i.e. the Mongoloid race). However,
> in one case the word "race" is in an ethnological context and in the
> other in an anthropological or biological context. They may not refer
> to the same thing. In order to avoid this, you must be more specific
> about the particular connotation you are using (which I *DO* tend to
> do).
> 
> Get a clue. Learn to think.

Arthur, ambiguity allows liberals to have their cake and eat it too.  Just
look at the recent performances by Laura Finsten, in which she alternately
submits (totally trivial) facts, and tries to subtly slip in moral
judgements right along with them.  For example, she argued that Carleton
Putnam was an "anti-semite" (fact), and that invalidated anything he might
have said (moral judgement).

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) gets out the sackcloth and
ashes: 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

Fester:  
>>> The wealth accumulated through colonialism, derived from the labour
>>> of those colonised and from the land expropriated through colonialism,
>>> "helped" the British immensely, Herr Oberschleppenundguzzlenfuhrer.

Moi: 
>>Yes, Fester, I'm not going to deny that the British colonized much of
>>Africa, and other parts of the non-White world.  But, I WILL say, SO WHAT?
>>Do you SERIOUSLY think that it was ALL a one-way street?  That the
>>colonized got NOTHING in return for their contributions to
>>colonialisation?  Try literacy, medicine above the witch-doctor level,
>>and basic hygiene, for starters.  Then, if you can get your anti-White
>>bigotry out of the way for a few minutes, go from there.
> 
> Literacy has only become relatively widespread in former colonies since
> colonial governments were disbanded.  Ditto for medical facilities.

And the UN has adopted a paternalistic "helping hand" towards the Third
World.  Unlike the UN, the colonial powers were motivated in large part by
SELF-INTEREST, and were honest enough to admit it.  The colonial powers
were doing what was best FOR THEIR NATIVE POPULATIONS, not playing some
sort of damn game about "help the non-Whites at the expense of our own
people", like the UN.

> By "basic hygiene" are you referring to plumbing?  In fact, most former
> colonies still lack those modern amenities except in select urban areas.

I didn't realize that you were an authority on Third World toilets, Fester
:-)  But seriously...

Whose fault is it that the "former colonies" STILL lack modern facilities,
except in select urban areas?  The White man's?
 
> But this is not directly relevant to the original issue, which was the
> beneficial impact of colonisation on the societies back home, the societies
> of the colonisers.  Do you seriously think that the primary motivation
> of British colonisation was to bring the benefits enjoyed the British upper
> class to all of Africa, India and other areas brought under colonial
> rule? 

Not at all.  The British government, like every other government that sought
colonies abroad, was interested primarily in the welfare of the people to
whom they had an obligation.  Kipling's "White Man's Burden" was a
commentary of the foolish, dysgenic practices of foreign conquest, not a
blueprint for "invading" the Third World.

> After all, during much of the colonial era, there was little
> enough concern in England with bringing those benefits to the English
> lower class itself.

But eventually, those benefits DID "trickle down".

Les




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Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> In article <4khr9m$646@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> 
>> > I think the implication is more 'there but for the grace of good are you'.
>> > The recent events in former Yugoslavia and Chechnya show how rapidly
>> > Whites - oops whites - can revert to conditions you would consider
>> > 'squalid' and 'primitive'. Similarly, the existence of hundreds of clean
>> > and well-maintained middle and upper class predominantly Negro
>> > neighborhoods in the United States, and Canada, as well as in the African
>> > countries (their elites often live quite well), as well as the existence
>> > of wretched and filthy white-inhabited slums in places like Liverpool,
>> > Dublin, Glasgow (I won't even mention Eastern Europe this time, except to
>> > take a jibe at Bucharest, one of the foulest places I've ever visited) and
>> > other places in today's world (visit the North of England some time),
>> > tells us that it's something other than race that determines the level of
>> > filth and unsanitary conditions people are willing or have to put up with.
>> 
>> Like hell.  You're simply lying about slums.
> 
> Why shpuld I lie in front of the cyberworld about something any well
> travelled person knows: the north of England is one of the most
> economically depressed areas in Europe.

Because lying comes naturally to liberals.
 
> I've gone slumming in Dublin, Glasgow, and Manchester, and seen a
> wrenching documentary about the slums of depressed Liverpool. I've seen
> entire districts that were built as minimal housing for industrial workers
> (= slums) more than a century ago. Little has happened since then: they
> still lack heat, often have communal toilets, and unemployment runs in the
> sixty to eighty per cent range. There are many, many extremely depressed
> urban districts in the north of England.

And while you're waxing eloquent about the poverty of Liverpool (which has
a large and growing number of East and West Indians), why don't you tell
us about the Tower of Kinshasha?  Sarcasm aside, my point is, BOTH White
and negro civilization have poverty, but ONLY White civilization has
reached the heights it has.
 
> Of course you can always counter that the populations of these areas are
> not PURELY WHITE: you have your occasional immigrant family from the
> Caribbean, China, or India, and the Irish, with ten and twelve children
> per family, are often a sizable minority. 

"Occaisional"?  See my point about liberals and lying.

> The important thing is that
> these places, having been built for smokestack industries that no longer
> exist, are too impoverished to have attracted any but the occasional
> third-world immigrant.

Doesn't say much for the level of their expectations or intelligence, if Third
Worlders will abandon the wealth and plenty of their home countries to come 
live in White slums.

(snip)

> I know of no city that is PURELY WHITE. Even Reykjavik has a few Somalis
> and Vietnamese settlers.

And these Somalis and Vietnamese are representative of their home
countries, right?

(snip)

>> > If Negroes are so much into squalor and primitiveness, how is it that so
>> > many rich North Americans hire them to clean, cook, manage the household,
>> > and raise their children? 
>> 
>> And why do so many parents trust the family dog with their children?  Does
>> this mean that they believe dogs are the equals of humans?
> 
> Trusting the family dog with the children for a few hours a day and
> employing a person to cook, clean, manage your household, and supervise
> the raising of your children are slightly different kettles of fish.

Dogs can be housebroken.  But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
the spirit moves them.  In a similar vein, negroes can be taught.  But is
this their natural nature?  Was Christianity?  Was literacy?

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) gets out the sackcloth and
ashes: 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

Fester:  
>>> The wealth accumulated through colonialism, derived from the labour
>>> of those colonised and from the land expropriated through colonialism,
>>> "helped" the British immensely, Herr Oberschleppenundguzzlenfuhrer.

Moi: 
>>Yes, Fester, I'm not going to deny that the British colonized much of
>>Africa, and other parts of the non-White world.  But, I WILL say, SO WHAT?
>>Do you SERIOUSLY think that it was ALL a one-way street?  That the
>>colonized got NOTHING in return for their contributions to
>>colonialisation?  Try literacy, medicine above the witch-doctor level,
>>and basic hygiene, for starters.  Then, if you can get your anti-White
>>bigotry out of the way for a few minutes, go from there.
> 
> Literacy has only become relatively widespread in former colonies since
> colonial governments were disbanded.  Ditto for medical facilities.

And the UN has adopted a paternalistic "helping hand" towards the Third
World.  Unlike the UN, the colonial powers were motivated in large part by
SELF-INTEREST, and were honest enough to admit it.  The colonial powers
were doing what was best FOR THEIR NATIVE POPULATIONS, not playing some
sort of damn game about "help the non-Whites at the expense of our own
people", like the UN.

> By "basic hygiene" are you referring to plumbing?  In fact, most former
> colonies still lack those modern amenities except in select urban areas.

I didn't realize that you were an authority on Third World toilets, Fester
:-)  But seriously...

Whose fault is it that the "former colonies" STILL lack modern facilities,
except in select urban areas?  The White man's?
 
> But this is not directly relevant to the original issue, which was the
> beneficial impact of colonisation on the societies back home, the societies
> of the colonisers.  Do you seriously think that the primary motivation
> of British colonisation was to bring the benefits enjoyed the British upper
> class to all of Africa, India and other areas brought under colonial
> rule? 

Not at all.  The British government, like every other government that sought
colonies abroad, was interested primarily in the welfare of the people to
whom they had an obligation.  Kipling's "White Man's Burden" was a
commentary of the foolish, dysgenic practices of foreign conquest, not a
blueprint for "invading" the Third World.

> After all, during much of the colonial era, there was little
> enough concern in England with bringing those benefits to the English
> lower class itself.

But eventually, those benefits DID "trickle down".

Les




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Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> In article <4khr9m$646@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Eugene Holman (holman@katk.helsinki.fi) writes:
> 
>> > I think the implication is more 'there but for the grace of good are you'.
>> > The recent events in former Yugoslavia and Chechnya show how rapidly
>> > Whites - oops whites - can revert to conditions you would consider
>> > 'squalid' and 'primitive'. Similarly, the existence of hundreds of clean
>> > and well-maintained middle and upper class predominantly Negro
>> > neighborhoods in the United States, and Canada, as well as in the African
>> > countries (their elites often live quite well), as well as the existence
>> > of wretched and filthy white-inhabited slums in places like Liverpool,
>> > Dublin, Glasgow (I won't even mention Eastern Europe this time, except to
>> > take a jibe at Bucharest, one of the foulest places I've ever visited) and
>> > other places in today's world (visit the North of England some time),
>> > tells us that it's something other than race that determines the level of
>> > filth and unsanitary conditions people are willing or have to put up with.
>> 
>> Like hell.  You're simply lying about slums.
> 
> Why shpuld I lie in front of the cyberworld about something any well
> travelled person knows: the north of England is one of the most
> economically depressed areas in Europe.

Because lying comes naturally to liberals.
 
> I've gone slumming in Dublin, Glasgow, and Manchester, and seen a
> wrenching documentary about the slums of depressed Liverpool. I've seen
> entire districts that were built as minimal housing for industrial workers
> (= slums) more than a century ago. Little has happened since then: they
> still lack heat, often have communal toilets, and unemployment runs in the
> sixty to eighty per cent range. There are many, many extremely depressed
> urban districts in the north of England.

And while you're waxing eloquent about the poverty of Liverpool (which has
a large and growing number of East and West Indians), why don't you tell
us about the Tower of Kinshasha?  Sarcasm aside, my point is, BOTH White
and negro civilization have poverty, but ONLY White civilization has
reached the heights it has.
 
> Of course you can always counter that the populations of these areas are
> not PURELY WHITE: you have your occasional immigrant family from the
> Caribbean, China, or India, and the Irish, with ten and twelve children
> per family, are often a sizable minority. 

"Occaisional"?  See my point about liberals and lying.

> The important thing is that
> these places, having been built for smokestack industries that no longer
> exist, are too impoverished to have attracted any but the occasional
> third-world immigrant.

Doesn't say much for the level of their expectations or intelligence, if Third
Worlders will abandon the wealth and plenty of their home countries to come 
live in White slums.

(snip)

> I know of no city that is PURELY WHITE. Even Reykjavik has a few Somalis
> and Vietnamese settlers.

And these Somalis and Vietnamese are representative of their home
countries, right?

(snip)

>> > If Negroes are so much into squalor and primitiveness, how is it that so
>> > many rich North Americans hire them to clean, cook, manage the household,
>> > and raise their children? 
>> 
>> And why do so many parents trust the family dog with their children?  Does
>> this mean that they believe dogs are the equals of humans?
> 
> Trusting the family dog with the children for a few hours a day and
> employing a person to cook, clean, manage your household, and supervise
> the raising of your children are slightly different kettles of fish.

Dogs can be housebroken.  But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
the spirit moves them.  In a similar vein, negroes can be taught.  But is
this their natural nature?  Was Christianity?  Was literacy?

Les



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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Rob Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> : > Yo! Big Fella! A question for ya:
> : > 
> : > Let us suppose that the National Alliance, by some means, found itself in
> : > the seats of power in Canada and the US tomorrow morning.
> : > 
> : > Now, given the overwhelming popular rejection of your philosophy (as I
> : > tried to discuss with you in a previous thread), just how do y'all plan to
> : > run the countries?
> : > 
> : > Put aside the question of having to quell massive dissent for a minute-
> : > 
> : > What I'm wondering is, where do you find the expertise to manage the
> : > nuts-and-bolts operations of two huge countries?
> : > 
> : > Would you, being in the security profession, suddenly find yourself
> : > Secretary of Defense? And assuming (for the sake of arguement) that the NA
> : > is smart enough to avoid strict isolationism, who would be dealing with
> : > other countries in matters of diplomacy and commerce? (Forgive me for
> : > saying so, but diplomacy is not a skill you folks have demonstrated in
> : > this forum). 
> : > 
> : > So, to make a long question short, how is it y'all plan to handle
> : > *success* as a miniscule minority of the population?
> 
> : How do the Chosen minority do it?  Popular approval?
> 
> Er, exactly what do you mean? I presume that the Groton and Andover
> educated 'Chosen', which is what I take you to mean, do so because
> their ancestors came over on the _Mayflower_.

No, I mean the jews.  Geez, can't you liberals keep ANYTHING in your minds
for more than a few days?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Carleton Putnam (Hi, Fester!)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Carleton Putnam's _Race and Reason_ was endorsed by the Dr. R. Ruggle
>>Gates.  Who was Dr. Gates?  Well, he was:
> 
> [Gates' CV deleted only for brevity.  He was a Canadian, too.}
> 
>>So, Fester, are you telling us that YOUR judgement of Mr. Putnam weighs
>>more heavily than that of a Emeritus Professor, one of the foremost human
>>geneticists, and an anthropologist?  Considering the arrogance of people
>>like you, it probably does, in your own little world.
> 
> Herr Oberunterpimplenpimpfenfuhrer, I have not questioned Gates' credentials.
> Nowhere have I suggested that there weren't lots of racist biologists,
> physical anthropologists, or other scientists in the earlier part of this
> century. 

That should tell you something.  But of course, you refuse to come to the
logical conclusion.

> Only in your demented antisemitic mind, as, apparently, in the
> mind of Putnam and those who were willing to endorse "Race and Reason"
> is being Jewish sufficient to call one's scientific judgement into 
> question. 

Exactly.  Jews are notorious for suborning ANYTHING to their own ends.

> I've noted this hypocritical standard of yours several times now and you
> refuse to address it. 

Could you define "hypocritical" for me?

> Boas' academic credentials, and those of his students and of other students,
> were just as good if not better than Gates'.

Like hell.

> Are YOU denying that Carleton Putnam was a businessman with no formal
> training in biology, anthropology or human evolution?  Are YOU denying
> that Putnam was an antisemite?

No.  But Carleton Putnam was a highly intelligent, inquisitve man.  _Race
and Reason_ contains more than just mentioning that Boas was a jew, you
know.  If anyone here is harping on that, it's you.

Les




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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4kf8j8$31g@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
>            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> 
>> 1)  Is this 1840s London we're discussing, or 1990s Africa?  I thought so.
> 
> Both.

1990s Africa.  You brought up 1840s London as a red herring.

>> 2)  Are you then suggesting that negroes are equivalent to 1840s
>> Londoners, and that we therefore have an obligation to "help them out"? 
>> If so, let me point something out to you:  NO ONE helped the 1840s
>> Londoners out of their situation.  They did it themselves.
> 
> Laws passed by the British government and funding provided by the government 
> led to the creation of a sewage system in London.
>
> The actual poor Londoners did not stop dumping sewage in the
> river until a proper sewage system was created.

How were the poor supposed to use facilities that didn't exist?

>> BTW, is this just another example of a liberal dichotomy, to whit, any
>> anthropological research more than 30 years old is wrong, but how whites
>> used to live more than a century ago can somehow be used as justification
>> for the squallor and primitiveness of negroes today?
> 
> Are you suggesting that the "master white race" has evolved dramatically
> in the last 100 years in order to become the "master white race".

Not at all.  Rather, I'm alluding to the FACT that the White race had
ALREADY DEVELOPED the foresight to recognize that dumping waste in the
Thames was not a good thing to do.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> 
> [edit]
> 
>>> Let me see if I can get your position on this straight, Herr Griswold.
>>> Putnam's major criticism of the work by Franz Boas and his students
>>> rests heavily on Putnam's observation the Boas and some of his students
>>> were Jews. (fact) 
> 
>>Partly correct.  Mr. Putnam's case does not rest SOLELY, or even heavily, on
>>the FACT that Boas and most of his protoges were jews.  He DOES mention
>>it, true, and suggests that it may IN PART explain Boas' almost hysterical
>>need to "prove" environment over hereditary.
> 
> Well, Herr Oberpimpfenstumpfenfuhrer, having read Putnam's "Race and Reason",
> Boas' Jewishness is the *only* thing approaching a substantive reason
> put forward as "criticism" of the research carried out by Boas and his
> students. 

As I said earlier, jews are notorious for suborning anything (even
science) to their own ends.

> Putnam doesn't analyse Boas' data, methods. 

In other words, he doesn't play the game according to YOUR rules, and come
to conclusions that YOU find acceptable.

Boas' "data" and "methods" are so laughable as to require no refutation. 
If anyone is interested in READING his garbage, they can look it up in a
library.

Had Mr. Putnam included excerpts of Boas, your criticism would have been
that he didn't include ENOUGH.  The only thing that wold make you happy
would be a TOTAL reproduction in _Race amd Reason_ of EVERYTHING that Boas
EVER wrote about his "studies".

> He doesn't 
> analyse the data and methods of studies which he vaguely alludes to
> as contradicting Boas' results.  In fact, there is virtually no substance
> (from a scientific viewpoint) in the book.

That's bullshit.  If YOU'RE too lazy to undertake the path that Mr. Putnam
points out by naming PHYSICAL anthropologists and the dates and locations
of their studies, how is that HIS fault?
 
>>> This, in Putnam's view, automatically discredits
>>> any and all of the research conducted by these anthropologists (moral?
>>> or some kind of weird judgement, clearly not a scholarly one).  This is
>>> in fact the point that I was attempting to make when I discussed the
>>> context and overall tone of Putnam's "Race and Reason.  Now you seem
>>> to have a problem with this sort of reasoning, or so you have said
>>> above.  Trying to have your cake and eat it too, Herr Oberubergruber-
>>> fuhrer?
> 
>>Don't try to make nice with me, Fester, it won't work.  Your "reasoning" 
>>(and I use the word VERY carefully) was that Mr. Putnam's putative
>>"anti-semitism" invalidated his whole position.  Stop trying to dance
>>around the issue.  Mr. Putnam mentioned that Boas and many of his students
>>were jews (fact).  This, and this ALONE, is what you were interested in
>>focussing on.  Stop lying.
> 
> Gosh I sure didn't intend to give you the impression that I was "making
> nice with you", Herr Unterschtumpenschitzellenfuhrer.  There isn't any
> substance in the book to criticise, except for the same sorts of sweeping
> generalisations that you make about "backwardness", "limited educability",
> "miscegenation", and that sort of bullcrap.  I guess we could talk in
> some detail about the nonsensical assertion buried in there somewhere
> about "impaired frontal lobe" development. 

Care to try and refute that?

> Shall I go to the medical
> library and look up some sources on neuroanatomy, Herr Obergooberfuhrer,
> or do you think that the entire field of neuroanatomy has been poisoned
> by the "Boasian hysteria" to prove racial equality? 

Please DO go look into a library and try to find ANY PHYSICAL research
into neuroanatomy, instead of the touchy-feely bullcrap about "environment".

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Dogs can be housebroken.  But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
>>the spirit moves them.  In a similar vein, negroes can be taught.  But is
>>this their natural nature?  Was Christianity?  Was literacy?
> 
> Gosh, Herr Oberfartenfuhrer, are you suggesting that Christianity and
> literacy are genetic? 

Nope.  I'm arguing that literacy and Christianity are NOT NATURAL to
negroes, but were both adopted by them after the White Race taught them to
those ingrates.

I titled this message as I did, because it occurred to me that liberals
(uh, that's you, Fester, and people who share your perverse values) will
spray out a cloud of ink to cover your retreat.  In the case of octopi, it
really is ink; in the case of liberals, it's verbosity based on deliberate
distortion of what's said.

Les




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Stewart "Chiken a la" King (slking@scws35.harvard.edu) writes:
> Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) wrote:
> 
> : This is the fundamental difference between us and you.  You are for the
> : improvement of the individual first, and stuff the nation.  Whereas we
> : believe in putting the nation first, so that we can all reap the benefits.
> : Two totally different tactics. We put the nation first so that individuals
> : will ultimately benefit from it.  You put the individual first whether it
> : benefits the nation or not (and most frequently not).  Your ideas are
> : destroying the nation so that the end result is nobody benefits; all are
> : losers.  
> 
> : You promote diversity, whereas a nation needs unity to survive.  This is
> : easily proved:  If an aggressor comes along to a nation that promotes
> : diversity, what happens?  It is easily flattened, because the individuals
> : cannot work together.  But what happens if the aggressor fights a nation
> : that is unified?  There is a battle royal.  Oh, if you're one of these
> : people that abhors fighting and believes in compromise, just look at the
> : interwar period and Great Britain's 'success' at compromising.  Must say,
> : being a wimp in negotiations is really beneficial.
> 
> The sad thing is, this isn't really all that wrong.  All I'm saying is 
> that finding the kind of unity you speak of shouldn't be impossible in a 
> society with more than one race in it. 

It shouldn't be, but it is.  That's the problem with you liberals:  you
want the world to be a certain way, and you'll argue passionately for it
to BE that way, and to hell with the facts.  Never let reality intrude on your
dreams, eh?

Les


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>Dogs can be housebroken.  But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
> >>the spirit moves them.  In a similar vein, negroes can be taught.  But is
> >>this their natural nature?  Was Christianity?  Was literacy?
> >
> > Gosh, Herr Oberfartenfuhrer, are you suggesting that Christianity and
> > literacy are genetic?
> 
> Nope.  I'm arguing that literacy and Christianity are NOT NATURAL to
> negroes, but were both adopted by them after the White Race taught them to
> those ingrates.
> 
> I titled this message as I did, because it occurred to me that liberals
> (uh, that's you, Fester, and people who share your perverse values) will
> spray out a cloud of ink to cover your retreat.  In the case of octopi, it
> really is ink; in the case of liberals, it's verbosity based on deliberate
> distortion of what's said.
> 
> Les


Why don't you take your christianity and shove it up your asshole Les? Where it 
belongs...

eB


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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Dogs can be housebroken.  But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
>>the spirit moves them.  In a similar vein, negroes can be taught.  But is
>>this their natural nature?  Was Christianity?  Was literacy?
> 
> Gosh, Herr Oberfartenfuhrer, are you suggesting that Christianity and
> literacy are genetic? 

Nope.  I'm arguing that literacy and Christianity are NOT NATURAL to
negroes, but were both adopted by them after the White Race taught them to
those ingrates.

I titled this message as I did, because it occurred to me that liberals
(uh, that's you, Fester, and people who share your perverse values) will
spray out a cloud of ink to cover your retreat.  In the case of octopi, it
really is ink; in the case of liberals, it's verbosity based on deliberate
distortion of what's said.

Les




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Stewart "Chiken a la" King (slking@scws35.harvard.edu) writes:
> Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) wrote:
> 
> : This is the fundamental difference between us and you.  You are for the
> : improvement of the individual first, and stuff the nation.  Whereas we
> : believe in putting the nation first, so that we can all reap the benefits.
> : Two totally different tactics. We put the nation first so that individuals
> : will ultimately benefit from it.  You put the individual first whether it
> : benefits the nation or not (and most frequently not).  Your ideas are
> : destroying the nation so that the end result is nobody benefits; all are
> : losers.  
> 
> : You promote diversity, whereas a nation needs unity to survive.  This is
> : easily proved:  If an aggressor comes along to a nation that promotes
> : diversity, what happens?  It is easily flattened, because the individuals
> : cannot work together.  But what happens if the aggressor fights a nation
> : that is unified?  There is a battle royal.  Oh, if you're one of these
> : people that abhors fighting and believes in compromise, just look at the
> : interwar period and Great Britain's 'success' at compromising.  Must say,
> : being a wimp in negotiations is really beneficial.
> 
> The sad thing is, this isn't really all that wrong.  All I'm saying is 
> that finding the kind of unity you speak of shouldn't be impossible in a 
> society with more than one race in it. 

It shouldn't be, but it is.  That's the problem with you liberals:  you
want the world to be a certain way, and you'll argue passionately for it
to BE that way, and to hell with the facts.  Never let reality intrude on your
dreams, eh?

Les


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>Dogs can be housebroken.  But their natural tendency is to poop wherever
> >>the spirit moves them.  In a similar vein, negroes can be taught.  But is
> >>this their natural nature?  Was Christianity?  Was literacy?
> >
> > Gosh, Herr Oberfartenfuhrer, are you suggesting that Christianity and
> > literacy are genetic?
> 
> Nope.  I'm arguing that literacy and Christianity are NOT NATURAL to
> negroes, but were both adopted by them after the White Race taught them to
> those ingrates.
> 
> I titled this message as I did, because it occurred to me that liberals
> (uh, that's you, Fester, and people who share your perverse values) will
> spray out a cloud of ink to cover your retreat.  In the case of octopi, it
> really is ink; in the case of liberals, it's verbosity based on deliberate
> distortion of what's said.
> 
> Les


Why don't you take your christianity and shove it up your asshole Les? Where it 
belongs...

eB


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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4khqsf$5j2@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Er, no.  But since you bring it up, interesting that negroes today don't
>>show the colonial verve that 1840s Europeans (and specifically Britons)
>>did.  Really, can you imagine a gang of niggers showing the daring that
>>regiments of British troops did, in suppressing vastly larger numbers of
>>non-Whites?
> 
> No because today *everyone* has modern weapons.

And back in the 1840s and 1850s, the British didn't exactly have
laser-guided missiles and nuclear artillery.  Yet, 50,000 soldiers managed
to conquer the sub-continent of India.

>>I recall reading in a book about a lone British soldier at Roarke's Drift,
>>in Africa, during the Zulu Wars.  Single-handedly, with an EMPTY rifle,
>>with only a bayonet attached, he held a DOZEN Zulu _impis_ at bay by
>>backing himself against a wagon wheel.  Unfortunately for this brave lad,
>>his fighting elan didn't save him, as one of the brave Zulu warriors crept
>>behind him and stabbed him from under the wagon.
> 
> It's called psychology. How the hell were they supposed to know that the
> rifle was empty?

Um, the British soldier was using it with a fixed bayonet, and not firing?

This is a trick question, right?  There's NO WAY that ANYONE (even a
liberal) could be so dumb.  Well, then again...

> And if I met you in the streets and put a rifle to your head, how 
> the hell are you supposed to know whether its loaded or not?

Ah, but this British soldier WASN'T on the street, and neither were the
Zulus.
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Apr 14 13:58:56 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Preserving the gerbils (was Re: Preserving multi"culturalism")
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> Les Greaseball (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : Why does it escape fans of multiCULT that the BEST way to PRESERVE all of
> : these wonderful, diverse cultures is through SEPARATION?  Throwing all
> : sorts of races together will ONLY result in a bastardized mix.
> 
> That means you would have to separate from your gerbils since gerbils have
> a different way of life.  Now, Greaseball, don't put that gerbil up your
> rectum again.

This is really obscene.  Really, Scallion, you should take garbage like
this somewhere else.

BTW, whatever happened to your little game of e-mailing pictures of "Miss
Kenya Moore"?  Did getting it back sorta put you off?

Les

(P.S.:  FreeNet can't read GIFs anyway)



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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4khqsf$5j2@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Er, no.  But since you bring it up, interesting that negroes today don't
>>show the colonial verve that 1840s Europeans (and specifically Britons)
>>did.  Really, can you imagine a gang of niggers showing the daring that
>>regiments of British troops did, in suppressing vastly larger numbers of
>>non-Whites?
> 
> No because today *everyone* has modern weapons.

And back in the 1840s and 1850s, the British didn't exactly have
laser-guided missiles and nuclear artillery.  Yet, 50,000 soldiers managed
to conquer the sub-continent of India.

>>I recall reading in a book about a lone British soldier at Roarke's Drift,
>>in Africa, during the Zulu Wars.  Single-handedly, with an EMPTY rifle,
>>with only a bayonet attached, he held a DOZEN Zulu _impis_ at bay by
>>backing himself against a wagon wheel.  Unfortunately for this brave lad,
>>his fighting elan didn't save him, as one of the brave Zulu warriors crept
>>behind him and stabbed him from under the wagon.
> 
> It's called psychology. How the hell were they supposed to know that the
> rifle was empty?

Um, the British soldier was using it with a fixed bayonet, and not firing?

This is a trick question, right?  There's NO WAY that ANYONE (even a
liberal) could be so dumb.  Well, then again...

> And if I met you in the streets and put a rifle to your head, how 
> the hell are you supposed to know whether its loaded or not?

Ah, but this British soldier WASN'T on the street, and neither were the
Zulus.
 
Les




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lblack (lblack@mustang.uwo.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>>>So I say this (and I mean you Les); 
>>>>
>>>>Why are white supremacists so backwards.  (in spiteful response to my
>>>>question as to why are niggers so backwards)

>>They aren't.  My question was based in empirical observation, and
>>(relative) impartiality; yours is based in defensiveness and outrage.

>>>>Prove to me that the 'white race' as a whole isn't backwards.
>>
>>See above.
>>
>>>>By backwards, I mean "slow in development or retarded".  Did 
>>>>you get that?  Good.  
>>
>>Using that definition of "backwards", the question is totally ludicrous,
>>and your inability to address the original question is revealed.  So you
>>hope to divert attention by venting some of your spleen against what you
>>know to be the truth (ie, that niggers are backwards).
>   
> If I'm not mistaken, the definition of backwards that I gave 
> was very much similar (if not identical) to the definition 
> given for the word backwards in the original "Why are niggers 
> so backwards?" question.  Is the meaning of backwards 
> controlled by you and your friends?

Yes, and I realized that the definition of "backwards" that you used was
the same on I was using.  I was saying that, by that definition, the
question (ie, "why are Whites backwards?") was absolutely ludicrous. 
Whites AREN'T backwards, unless the definition of "backwards" now means
"more advanced than any other race".

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Apr 15 07:35:50 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Preserving multi"culturalism"
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> [edit]
> 
>>I'm not doing whatever you're accusing me of, but if anyone's doing any
>>throwing, it's Garza throwing silly blanket accusations without defining
>>his terms.  Geneticists such as F.A.E. Crew, Darwin (I know - he's dead,
> 
> Hmmmmmm.  Darwin was not a geneticist.  Darwin did not say any such thing
> about "free crossing obliterating character" or anything even remotely
> like it. 

Bullshit.  I have the quote, and the attribution, right in front of me.

>>so he's probably wrong) and others state that free crossing obliterates
>>character.  Carleton S. Coon stated that careless cross-breeding (hello,
>>miscegenation!) kept beneficial mutations from establishing themselves
> 
> How does "miscegenation" constitute "careless cross-breeding"?

The same way that spray-painting on highway overpasses constitutes vandalism.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Apr 15 07:35:51 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Carleton Putnam (Hi, Fester!)
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Carleton Putnam's _Race and Reason_ was endorsed by the Dr. R. Ruggle
Gates.  Who was Dr. Gates?  Well, he was:

"A Ph.D., D.Sc., LL.D., F.R.S., (1882-1962) one of the most experienced and
distinguished human geneticists, as well as an all-round anthropologist
and ethnologist."  "At the time of his dŻeath, he was Emeritus Prof. of
Botany at the University of London.  He early displayed the ability and
originality that were to bring him INTERNATIONAL renown.  [He was] awarded
the Mendel Medal in 1911.  His monumental two-volume _Human Genetics_,
published in 1946 by Macmillan, is recognized as the most comprehensive
survey ever made of normal and abnormal inheritance. (etc, etc)"

[quoted on pp. 567-568 of _Which Way Western Man?_]

So, Fester, are you telling us that YOUR judgement of Mr. Putnam weighs
more heavily than that of a Emeritus Professor, one of the foremost human
geneticists, and an anthropologist?  Considering the arrogance of people
like you, it probably does, in your own little world.

Les



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lblack (lblack@mustang.uwo.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

>>>>So I say this (and I mean you Les); 
>>>>
>>>>Why are white supremacists so backwards.  (in spiteful response to my
>>>>question as to why are niggers so backwards)

>>They aren't.  My question was based in empirical observation, and
>>(relative) impartiality; yours is based in defensiveness and outrage.

>>>>Prove to me that the 'white race' as a whole isn't backwards.
>>
>>See above.
>>
>>>>By backwards, I mean "slow in development or retarded".  Did 
>>>>you get that?  Good.  
>>
>>Using that definition of "backwards", the question is totally ludicrous,
>>and your inability to address the original question is revealed.  So you
>>hope to divert attention by venting some of your spleen against what you
>>know to be the truth (ie, that niggers are backwards).
>   
> If I'm not mistaken, the definition of backwards that I gave 
> was very much similar (if not identical) to the definition 
> given for the word backwards in the original "Why are niggers 
> so backwards?" question.  Is the meaning of backwards 
> controlled by you and your friends?

Yes, and I realized that the definition of "backwards" that you used was
the same on I was using.  I was saying that, by that definition, the
question (ie, "why are Whites backwards?") was absolutely ludicrous. 
Whites AREN'T backwards, unless the definition of "backwards" now means
"more advanced than any other race".

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip - what amounts to Fester getting all hot n' bothered over Franz
Boas' head shape)

>>> Pardon me?  Here's a bit of Putnam's "critique" of Boas' anthropology:
>>> "If you have not already read him [Boas[, I invite you to a thorough
>>> and impartial study of Boas.  I am confident you will find his views
>>> wholly unconvincing, his doctrines more "unsubstantiated" than those
>>> he attacks, and his approach so saturated with wishful thinking as to
>>> be pathetic." (C. Putnam, "Race and Reason", p.23)  This entire book
>>> is about (and is, in itself part of) a publicity campaign Putnam 
>>> launched, and consists for the most part of letters written to
>>> the then Attorney General of the United States and discusses his
>>> campaign, noting the barrage of newspapers his letter was sent to.
> 
>>Whatsamatter, Fester?  That confirms EXACTLY what I said.  _Race and
>>Reason_ was NOT meant to be an edification of Boas.  Mr. Putnam had his
>>own points to make in his book, and to my mind (and the minds of many
>>others), made them quite well.  That YOU apparently have a problem with
>>someone drawing attention to Boas' jewishness is immaterial.
> 
> Well, that (and your comment above) confirms exactly what I've been
> saying all along. 

Like hell.  You're just too damned chicken-shit to admit that you're
wrong, and that _Race and Reason_ isn't all about Franz Boas, and you're
hoping that everyone who's nominally on your side will be too lazy and/or
cheap to check it out for themselves.

> Carleton Putnam's "Race and Reason" is a vilification
> of Boasian anthropology based on nothing more than Putnam's antisemitism
> and paranoia about Jews (and "non-whites"). 

No.  _Race and Reason_ is, among many other things, a critique of Boas
based on Boas' shitty work.

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip - what amounts to Fester getting all hot n' bothered over Franz
Boas' head shape)

>>> Pardon me?  Here's a bit of Putnam's "critique" of Boas' anthropology:
>>> "If you have not already read him [Boas[, I invite you to a thorough
>>> and impartial study of Boas.  I am confident you will find his views
>>> wholly unconvincing, his doctrines more "unsubstantiated" than those
>>> he attacks, and his approach so saturated with wishful thinking as to
>>> be pathetic." (C. Putnam, "Race and Reason", p.23)  This entire book
>>> is about (and is, in itself part of) a publicity campaign Putnam 
>>> launched, and consists for the most part of letters written to
>>> the then Attorney General of the United States and discusses his
>>> campaign, noting the barrage of newspapers his letter was sent to.
> 
>>Whatsamatter, Fester?  That confirms EXACTLY what I said.  _Race and
>>Reason_ was NOT meant to be an edification of Boas.  Mr. Putnam had his
>>own points to make in his book, and to my mind (and the minds of many
>>others), made them quite well.  That YOU apparently have a problem with
>>someone drawing attention to Boas' jewishness is immaterial.
> 
> Well, that (and your comment above) confirms exactly what I've been
> saying all along. 

Like hell.  You're just too damned chicken-shit to admit that you're
wrong, and that _Race and Reason_ isn't all about Franz Boas, and you're
hoping that everyone who's nominally on your side will be too lazy and/or
cheap to check it out for themselves.

> Carleton Putnam's "Race and Reason" is a vilification
> of Boasian anthropology based on nothing more than Putnam's antisemitism
> and paranoia about Jews (and "non-whites"). 

No.  _Race and Reason_ is, among many other things, a critique of Boas
based on Boas' shitty work.

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) plays stupid (and what a 
>>convincing act!): 

>>> ... What exactly do you mean by "natural" (ie, stating that
>>> Christianity and literacy are not natural to negroes)?  I understand
>>> the word to mean part of one's biology (nature), in this sort of context.
>>> No religion is "natural", and neither is literacy.  A particular
>>> religious creed has to be taught to people, it isn't in their genes.
>  
>>You seem to have a problem with words.  So far, that's "backwards" and
>>natural" that you don't understand.  This stupidity of yours makes it
>>really difficult to debate with you.
> 
> Does "obtuseness" just come naturally to white power rangers, Herr
> Oberfartenfuhrer? 

YOU'RE the one playing word-games, and YOU'RE calling ME obtuse?  If that
isn't the very archetype of brazeness...

> If it ain't genetic (biological), then it is 
> cultural or learned.  Or do you define natural in some other way,
> Herr Unterschtinkenfuhrer? 

Learned, yeah.  In that sense, neither Christianity (as the European man
practiced it) nor literacy were NATURAL to the negro.

Les



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Lissa Valerian (valerian@chuma.cas.usf.edu) writes:

(snip)

> However, according to the poor logic of your argument that: "literacy and 
> Christianity are NOT NATURAL to negroes, but were both adopted by them 
> after the White Race taught them to those ingrates..."  You must realize 
> that Christianity was originally taught to the gentiles by the Apostles 
> of Christ(a jew) who were themselves Jews.  The first non-jew was Paul or 
> Saul of Tarsus, who was a gentile persecuter of the first jewish 
> Christians.

I thought Paul was a yid.

> Or did you forget to read your New Testament?  It sounds 
> more to me that Christianity was taught to the "White Race" by the jewish 
> christians, and such as your "white power anti-semitic" groups are the 
> true ingrates.   
> 
> So, you need to thank your jewish brothers for handing down the roots of 
> the christian religion to you, otherwise, you are the ingrate.

Thanks for nothing.
 
> Read your new testament again, particularly the book of Acts.   Or are 
> you going by some other book?  

That's for me to know, and you to find out...
 
Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip - what amounts to Fester getting all hot n' bothered over Franz
Boas' head shape)

>>> Pardon me?  Here's a bit of Putnam's "critique" of Boas' anthropology:
>>> "If you have not already read him [Boas[, I invite you to a thorough
>>> and impartial study of Boas.  I am confident you will find his views
>>> wholly unconvincing, his doctrines more "unsubstantiated" than those
>>> he attacks, and his approach so saturated with wishful thinking as to
>>> be pathetic." (C. Putnam, "Race and Reason", p.23)  This entire book
>>> is about (and is, in itself part of) a publicity campaign Putnam 
>>> launched, and consists for the most part of letters written to
>>> the then Attorney General of the United States and discusses his
>>> campaign, noting the barrage of newspapers his letter was sent to.
> 
>>Whatsamatter, Fester?  That confirms EXACTLY what I said.  _Race and
>>Reason_ was NOT meant to be an edification of Boas.  Mr. Putnam had his
>>own points to make in his book, and to my mind (and the minds of many
>>others), made them quite well.  That YOU apparently have a problem with
>>someone drawing attention to Boas' jewishness is immaterial.
> 
> Well, that (and your comment above) confirms exactly what I've been
> saying all along. 

Like hell.  You're just too damned chicken-shit to admit that you're
wrong, and that _Race and Reason_ isn't all about Franz Boas, and you're
hoping that everyone who's nominally on your side will be too lazy and/or
cheap to check it out for themselves.

> Carleton Putnam's "Race and Reason" is a vilification
> of Boasian anthropology based on nothing more than Putnam's antisemitism
> and paranoia about Jews (and "non-whites"). 

No.  _Race and Reason_ is, among many other things, a critique of Boas
based on Boas' shitty work.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Apr 16 09:58:23 PDT 1996
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> I am just wondering; how many of you white power people would solve
> 
> 1 Black honey + 1 White dude?
> 
> If you are so obsessed with protecting white women from the "evil"
> Black man, what is your viewpoint if the woman wears the melanin?
> 
> I know some of the CLOCers get pretty horny over this.
> 
> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?

Probably all of them, idiot.  SHARP stands for "Skin Heads Against Racial
Pride".

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Apr 16 09:58:24 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Just read this editorial by Eric Margolis, in the Ottawa Sunday Sun, page
C3, about the goings-on in Liberia.  For brevity's sake, I'm only posting
the relevant part:

"... He (Master Sgt. Samuel K. Doe), was overthrown in 1990.  Doe, an
illiterate and remarkably murderous thug, enjoyed personally shooting or
bayonetting political enemies and cabinet ministers.  He was captured by
rebels led by a certain Prince Johnson, who cut Doe up into bite-sized
chunks, and ate him with pepper sauce, thus digesting one of Africa's more
loathsome tyrants.... "

THIS is negro politics?  Wake up and face reality, you goddamn snivelling
liberal turds.

Les
 


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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:

(snip - what amounts to Fester getting all hot n' bothered over Franz
Boas' head shape)

>>> Pardon me?  Here's a bit of Putnam's "critique" of Boas' anthropology:
>>> "If you have not already read him [Boas[, I invite you to a thorough
>>> and impartial study of Boas.  I am confident you will find his views
>>> wholly unconvincing, his doctrines more "unsubstantiated" than those
>>> he attacks, and his approach so saturated with wishful thinking as to
>>> be pathetic." (C. Putnam, "Race and Reason", p.23)  This entire book
>>> is about (and is, in itself part of) a publicity campaign Putnam 
>>> launched, and consists for the most part of letters written to
>>> the then Attorney General of the United States and discusses his
>>> campaign, noting the barrage of newspapers his letter was sent to.
> 
>>Whatsamatter, Fester?  That confirms EXACTLY what I said.  _Race and
>>Reason_ was NOT meant to be an edification of Boas.  Mr. Putnam had his
>>own points to make in his book, and to my mind (and the minds of many
>>others), made them quite well.  That YOU apparently have a problem with
>>someone drawing attention to Boas' jewishness is immaterial.
> 
> Well, that (and your comment above) confirms exactly what I've been
> saying all along. 

Like hell.  You're just too damned chicken-shit to admit that you're
wrong, and that _Race and Reason_ isn't all about Franz Boas, and you're
hoping that everyone who's nominally on your side will be too lazy and/or
cheap to check it out for themselves.

> Carleton Putnam's "Race and Reason" is a vilification
> of Boasian anthropology based on nothing more than Putnam's antisemitism
> and paranoia about Jews (and "non-whites"). 

No.  _Race and Reason_ is, among many other things, a critique of Boas
based on Boas' shitty work.

Les



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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> I am just wondering; how many of you white power people would solve
> 
> 1 Black honey + 1 White dude?
> 
> If you are so obsessed with protecting white women from the "evil"
> Black man, what is your viewpoint if the woman wears the melanin?
> 
> I know some of the CLOCers get pretty horny over this.
> 
> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?

Probably all of them, idiot.  SHARP stands for "Skin Heads Against Racial
Pride".

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: This server allows guests to send e-mail
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The server "@sailor.lib.md.us" allows guest users to send e-mail.  Of
course, this ability is abused, as I've been mailbombed TWICE in the last
week from this site.  Is it unusual for sites to allow their guests to
send e-mail?

Les



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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> Okay, Griswold, you asked for it -- and _this_ post I _am_ emailing. Doing
> it your way just hasn't worked.

Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that?  And
what's this shit about your "warning" me that you _are_ emailing me your
missive?  You email all of them anyway, as if you had some sort of
divine right to do so.  Don't try to weasel out of it

Les



From stefan@scott.net Tue Apr 16 18:45:11 PDT 1996
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From: evil Beavis 
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Rob "Yes, dear, whatever you say dear!" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> > In article <4kb3op$s20@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> >
> >>> Steve Garza (sgarza@csubak.edu) writes:
> >
> >> > That is why sex is superior to asexual reproduction. It transmits genes
> >> > across population groups to experiment with new combinations.
> >>
> >> Depends on what you want.  A stable genotype is more likely with closer
> >> breeding.
> >
> > HEEEERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
> >
> > Les, if you don't want people throwing your zany pontifications in your
> > face time after time, DON'T KEEP BRINGING THEM UP time after time.
> 
> Eh?
> 
> I'm not doing whatever you're accusing me of, but if anyone's doing any
> throwing, it's Garza throwing silly blanket accusations without defining
> his terms.  Geneticists such as F.A.E. Crew, Darwin (I know - he's dead,
> so he's probably wrong) and others state that free crossing obliterates
> character.  Carleton S. Coon stated that careless cross-breeding (hello,
> miscegenation!) kept beneficial mutations from establishing themselves
> within a breeding population, as old genes from the non-mutated neighbours
> keep flooding out the beneficial mutations.
> 
> But really, why am I bothering?  You liberals aren't interested in debate.
>  You are RELIGIOUSLY attached to your dogma, and you will resort to
> ANYTHING to "prove" the correctness of your perversity.
> 
> Les


I think your racist perverseness can be correct at some lowly level. You are a freak 
though...!

eB


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:

(snip)
 
> Okay, Griswold, you asked for it -- and _this_ post I _am_ emailing. Doing
> it your way just hasn't worked.

Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that?  And
what's this shit about your "warning" me that you _are_ emailing me your
missive?  You email all of them anyway, as if you had some sort of
divine right to do so.  Don't try to weasel out of it

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Apr 17 07:38:36 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that?  And
>>what's this shit about your "warning" me that you _are_ emailing me your
>>missive?  You email all of them anyway, as if you had some sort of
>>divine right to do so.  Don't try to weasel out of it
> 
> Herr Unterearwaxenfuhrer, are you clouding the waters of debate with
> ink and clumsily manoeuvering around by *not* addressing the substance
> of Mr. Brown's post?  i.e., why are you not addressing the evidence
> Mr. Brown presented to indicate that you have falsely represented
> statistics?

Because Brown is an asshole who really thinks that he, for some reason,
DESERVES to be addressed.  He doesn't.  He can post archived posts from
now 'till Doomsday, and it won't change anything.  It just doesn't seem to
occur to you types that ONE Black-on-White rape is too many.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Lissa Valerian (valerian@chuma.cas.usf.edu) writes:
> On 16 Apr 1996, Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>> I thought Paul was a yid.
> 
> And if he were?  Paul was the one who wrote the majority of the new 
> testament books, the Defining Book of the Christian faith.

And I'm supposed to care at which point?

>> > Or did you forget to read your New Testament?  It sounds 
>> > more to me that Christianity was taught to the "White Race" by the jewish 
>> > christians, and such as your "white power anti-semitic" groups are the 
>> > true ingrates.   
>> > 
>> > So, you need to thank your jewish brothers for handing down the roots of 
>> > the christian religion to you, otherwise, you are the ingrate.
>> 
>> Thanks for nothing.  
> 
> And you call negros ingrates?    What a hypocritical stance!

Ooh, that's right!  I should thank the jews for a dysgenic, oriental,
culture-destroying religion.

>> > Read your new testament again, particularly the book of Acts.   Or are 
>> > you going by some other book?  
>> 
>> That's for me to know, and you to find out...

> Typically vague.  Refusing to define the issues, and avoiding a direct 
> discussion. 

Because there's nothing to discuss.

Les




From stefan@scott.net Wed Apr 17 07:42:26 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Just read this editorial by Eric Margolis, in the Ottawa Sunday Sun, page
> C3, about the goings-on in Liberia.  For brevity's sake, I'm only posting
> the relevant part:
> 
> "... He (Master Sgt. Samuel K. Doe), was overthrown in 1990.  Doe, an
> illiterate and remarkably murderous thug, enjoyed personally shooting or
> bayonetting political enemies and cabinet ministers.  He was captured by
> rebels led by a certain Prince Johnson, who cut Doe up into bite-sized
> chunks, and ate him with pepper sauce, thus digesting one of Africa's more
> loathsome tyrants.... "
> 
> THIS is negro politics?  Wake up and face reality, you goddamn snivelling
> liberal turds.
> 
> Les
> 


Yeah, Liberia has some mean motherfuckers around - arguably as sick as people like 
Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, and them good ol' slaveholders...! Terrible thing Les, 
there's sick people amongst all races and cultures. It doesn't justify your cowardly and 
perverted racist demeanor however!

eB


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lblack (lblack@mustang.uwo.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>lblack (lblack@mustang.uwo.ca) writes:

>>> Whites are not backwards...simply because they AREN'T?
>>
>>By the same definition of "backwards" as applied to negroes, no they aren't.
>>
>>> I suppose that this is plain to see, and it needs no facts, or 
>>> evidence, to back it up.  Les, if you make a statement, you 
>>> must provide evidence to support it. 
>>
>>Only if the statement is, on the face of it, ludicrous or goes against
>>common sense.  Saying that Whites aren't backwards is like saying, "I have
>>a nose on the front of my face."
> 
> But Les, to argue your point, IF I asked for proof that your 
> nose was on the front of your face (which I don't doubt), you 
> could surely provide it...regardless of what you thought about 
> the request.  In fact, I'm sure there are many ways to show 
> that your nose is on the front of your face, which anyone could 
> provide.  So if I question your nose, even if it is your 
> "common sense" but not mine, you could prove to me that your 
> nose is where everyone knows that it should be.  Gravity is 
> what keeps us on the face of this planet, that is a FACT.  It 
> is presently "common sense" (it has not always been so, Newton 
> had to prove that it was FACT and it has since become 'common 
> sense'). If, however, you don't believe me, I can give you some 
> proof that gravity does exist.

Should I find myself in a debate with someone who questioned the normal
placement of human noses, or required "proof" of gravity, I would determine
that I was in a debate with either someone who has NO clue, or is being 
deliberately pig-headed.

> So, I'll bring it now to our discussion.  I want you to give me some proof
> to show that your "common sense" is FACT.  I want documentation, as I
> outlined in a previous post, that blacks are backwards.

I'm not your fucking library.  Go look ANYTHING about black Africa up. 
For one thing, contributions of the black race to civilzation amout to zero.

(snip)

>>> No, I don't.  They are different from me, on a cultural level, 
>>> but absolutely not  "less advanced". 
>>
>>More liberal relativism.  It doesn't change the FACT, though, that niggers
>>ARE backwards.
> 
> People are different, not backwards, Les.  
> 
> Ever think that other people look at you and think, "Damn, that 
> guy is BACKWARDS!"  Your reaction, I'm sure would be "No I'm 
> not."  The FACT is that you are different, not backwards in 
> comparison to each other, and again you are absolutely not 
> "more - or less advanced".  

Quite possibly they do.  But does that stop me from achieving?

>>> ... Am I doomed to failure in life because members of my race didn't score
>>> well on an IQ test?  
>>
>>Possibly not, you ingrate, but your failure would have been GUARANTEED in
>>a negro "civilization".
> 
> What do you mean Les?  How do you know for sure?  

I MEAN, you would have been in the same place as "Dr." G.W. Carver, or any
other achieving "negro" (actually, mulattoes with some degree of White
genes), trying to avoid being eaten by members of a neighbouring tribe. 
That would have left very little time for anything positive.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Apr 17 10:31:38 PDT 1996
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lblack (lblack@mustang.uwo.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>lblack (lblack@mustang.uwo.ca) writes:

>>> Whites are not backwards...simply because they AREN'T?
>>
>>By the same definition of "backwards" as applied to negroes, no they aren't.
>>
>>> I suppose that this is plain to see, and it needs no facts, or 
>>> evidence, to back it up.  Les, if you make a statement, you 
>>> must provide evidence to support it. 
>>
>>Only if the statement is, on the face of it, ludicrous or goes against
>>common sense.  Saying that Whites aren't backwards is like saying, "I have
>>a nose on the front of my face."
> 
> But Les, to argue your point, IF I asked for proof that your 
> nose was on the front of your face (which I don't doubt), you 
> could surely provide it...regardless of what you thought about 
> the request.  In fact, I'm sure there are many ways to show 
> that your nose is on the front of your face, which anyone could 
> provide.  So if I question your nose, even if it is your 
> "common sense" but not mine, you could prove to me that your 
> nose is where everyone knows that it should be.  Gravity is 
> what keeps us on the face of this planet, that is a FACT.  It 
> is presently "common sense" (it has not always been so, Newton 
> had to prove that it was FACT and it has since become 'common 
> sense'). If, however, you don't believe me, I can give you some 
> proof that gravity does exist.

Should I find myself in a debate with someone who questioned the normal
placement of human noses, or required "proof" of gravity, I would determine
that I was in a debate with either someone who has NO clue, or is being 
deliberately pig-headed.

> So, I'll bring it now to our discussion.  I want you to give me some proof
> to show that your "common sense" is FACT.  I want documentation, as I
> outlined in a previous post, that blacks are backwards.

I'm not your fucking library.  Go look ANYTHING about black Africa up. 
For one thing, contributions of the black race to civilzation amout to zero.

(snip)

>>> No, I don't.  They are different from me, on a cultural level, 
>>> but absolutely not  "less advanced". 
>>
>>More liberal relativism.  It doesn't change the FACT, though, that niggers
>>ARE backwards.
> 
> People are different, not backwards, Les.  
> 
> Ever think that other people look at you and think, "Damn, that 
> guy is BACKWARDS!"  Your reaction, I'm sure would be "No I'm 
> not."  The FACT is that you are different, not backwards in 
> comparison to each other, and again you are absolutely not 
> "more - or less advanced".  

Quite possibly they do.  But does that stop me from achieving?

>>> ... Am I doomed to failure in life because members of my race didn't score
>>> well on an IQ test?  
>>
>>Possibly not, you ingrate, but your failure would have been GUARANTEED in
>>a negro "civilization".
> 
> What do you mean Les?  How do you know for sure?  

I MEAN, you would have been in the same place as "Dr." G.W. Carver, or any
other achieving "negro" (actually, mulattoes with some degree of White
genes), trying to avoid being eaten by members of a neighbouring tribe. 
That would have left very little time for anything positive.

Les




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Wayne Johnson (ciacon@popd.ix.netcom.com) writes:
> rdbennet@ix.netcom.com(Dan Bennett ) wrote:

(snip)

>>" I consider [the constitutional authority of the states] as the chief source
>>of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states 
>>into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, 
>>will be the certain precursor of the ruin which has overwhelmed all those 
>>that have preceded it."  -- Robert E. Lee
> 
> Isn't slaveholding despotic?  Correct me if I'm wrong.
> 
> I love it when freedom loving Southrons go on and on about the cruel
> Northerners, diverting them from happily bullwhipping their human
> chattel.  It restores my faith in the evil nature of mankind, along
> with our ability to put on moral blinders and strap on the old "I'm
> special" feedbag.

Hoo, boy, here we go again with the "slaves were maltreated and raped" bit.

Look, Johnson, NO-ONE is arguing that slaves had it hunky-dory here, or
that slaves were better off under slavery than they were after it was
repealed.  What IS being said is that negroes had it far better off over
here, EVEN AS SLAVES, than they would have had it if they had been left in
Africa.

Les




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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Whiny union shit John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> > Loser Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) chunders:
> >
> >>> Just read this editorial by Eric Margolis, in the Ottawa Sunday Sun, page
> >>> C3, about the goings-on in Liberia.  For brevity's sake, I'm only posting
> >>> the relevant part:
> >>>
> >>> "... He (Master Sgt. Samuel K. Doe), was overthrown in 1990.  Doe, an
> >>> illiterate and remarkably murderous thug, enjoyed personally shooting or
> >>> bayonetting political enemies and cabinet ministers.  He was captured by
> >>> rebels led by a certain Prince Johnson, who cut Doe up into bite-sized
> >>> chunks, and ate him with pepper sauce, thus digesting one of Africa's more
> >>> loathsome tyrants.... "
> >>>
> >>> THIS is negro politics?  Wake up and face reality, you goddamn snivelling
> >>> liberal turds.
> >>
> >> Hmm, no liberal replies to this.  I wonder why?
> >
> > Well, I'm not a "liberal", Griswald, but let me have a go at this.
> 
> Yes, you are, Bagless.
> 
> > To characterize this event (assuming your brother under the skin Eric
> > Margolis is even remotely accurate in his description)
> 
> Sorry, Eric Margolis is not my "brother under the skin".  Why, I've heard
> that he's jewish, even.
> 
> > as typical of
> > "negro [sic] politics" would be like portraying Bosnian conflict
> > civilities (such as forcing one man to bite another man's testicles off,
> > one of hundreds of well-documented atrocities)
> 
> Yeah, well-documented like the "facts" at the Nuremberg "trials".
> 
> > as typical of "white politics."
> 
> They're not, and you KNOW that negro "politics" are bestial.  Stop being
> so damn obtuse.
> 
> Les


Ever met any "negro politicians". I had the fortune to meet Oliver Tambo as a child when 
he lived briefly in Sweden during exile for instance. Hardly a "bestial" man. Many 
African politicians and leaders are so much more dignified than people like you can ever 
hope to be. Many work hard for the betterment of their peoples against all odds. As 
usual however, a few rotten apples tend to spoil the whole lot. Just like you!

eB


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Apr 18 08:04:26 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that? 
> 
> Yes.
> 
>>And what's this shit about your "warning" me that you _are_ emailing me your
>>missive?  You email all of them anyway...
> 
> Incorrect. See .
> 
>>...as if you had some sort of
>>divine right to do so.  Don't try to weasel out of it
> 
> There is nothing to "weasel out of", Griswold. The simple fact is, you are
> no longer getting email copies of all of my responses to your posts, and
> have not been for the past twelve days. You are -- once again -- making an
> assertion that is inconsistent with the facts.

You are incorrect with the twelve days figure.  You stopped this weekend,
probably because you were getting your e-mails bounced back to you.  For
whatever reason, it makes no difference to me, nor did your original
odious practice of "email"ing and "post"ing everything.  It only confirmed
what an arrogant S.O.B. you are.

> Do I need to remind you what the everyday word for that practice is? 

Yes, please do, Brown.  You're happy as Larry because you think that you
have all the archived proof to CYA, and you're betting on the fact that I
deleted everything from you unread.  Well, do whatever your little mind
tells you is right.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Brown, you have one hell of a big ego, did anyone ever tell you that? 
> 
> Yes.
> 
>>And what's this shit about your "warning" me that you _are_ emailing me your
>>missive?  You email all of them anyway...
> 
> Incorrect. See .
> 
>>...as if you had some sort of
>>divine right to do so.  Don't try to weasel out of it
> 
> There is nothing to "weasel out of", Griswold. The simple fact is, you are
> no longer getting email copies of all of my responses to your posts, and
> have not been for the past twelve days. You are -- once again -- making an
> assertion that is inconsistent with the facts.

You are incorrect with the twelve days figure.  You stopped this weekend,
probably because you were getting your e-mails bounced back to you.  For
whatever reason, it makes no difference to me, nor did your original
odious practice of "email"ing and "post"ing everything.  It only confirmed
what an arrogant S.O.B. you are.

> Do I need to remind you what the everyday word for that practice is? 

Yes, please do, Brown.  You're happy as Larry because you think that you
have all the archived proof to CYA, and you're betting on the fact that I
deleted everything from you unread.  Well, do whatever your little mind
tells you is right.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Apr 18 22:17:17 PDT 1996
Article: 17612 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: OUR CYBERSPACE IMAGE By Dr. Pierce
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 (aar11@netcom.com) writes:
> whitewolf@alpha.c2.org wrote:
> 
>>>As for our less mature and/or less responsible members, when they cannot
>>resist the urge to get into the Internet sandbox to play, they should do
>>so as private individuals only, never as spokesmen for the Alliance.
> 
>>                                                W.L.P.
> And this is the guy who publishes "White Power" comic books for Celtic
> youth, and  condones violence against non-white peoples. You, Dr.
> Pierce (and I use the title loosely) are hiding your ignorance behind
> a facade of controlled and contrived articulation that adds up
> intellectually to zero. You and Strom need to be spanked very hard, or
> better yet, locked up in a West Virginia prison for a year with some
> very Big and Black angry prisoners.

This is what it always comes down to - threats to have us anally raped by
negroes.  Even if it occured, which seems to be a liberal wet dream around 
here, WHAT would it prove?  Not a blessed thing.

Getting butt-fucked may be on YOUR mind a lot, but believe me, White
Racists don't spend much time thinking about it.

Les



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Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Alexandre Kotov (akotov1@umbc.edu) wrote:
> : In article <4l0a08$mfv@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU>,
> : Stewart King  wrote:
> : >I bet Wole Soyinka could kick Alexander Solshenitsyn's ass in a fight.
> 
> : Wole Soyinka? Never heard of him.  My library catalog tells me that he is a
> : Nigerian dude.  
> 
> Whoosh.  For a while after I posted that I was afraid I'd gotten him 
> mixed up with the Poles.  But I was just thinking of Lech Walesa.  Never 
> mind.
> 
> He's some sort of politically important novelist.  I've never actually 
> read any of his stuff but he's kind of famous.  

But you won't let not actually having read any of his stuff stop you from
peaising him to the stars, and using him as an example of negro
achievement, will you?

> : I wonder, what language did he use to write his supposedly
> : cool books.  I bet it was English! For his country did not manage to
> : produce a written language of its own.
> 
> I really don't have any idea.  And Arabic was there before English.  

Yes, it was.  But that doesn't tell us whether or not he wrote his books
in English or not.

> There's always Swahili! 

A pidgin trade language.  Hardly what ANYONE would use to write a book.

> I'm taking a modern Africa course next semester, I'll tell you then.

Please do.

(snip - snip, snip, snip - hi, Stewie!)
 
> Sure, Europe's literary tradition is bigger than Africa's, I'll not deny 
> that.  But Africa's oral history tradition is bigger than Europe's.  It's 
> a matter of culture.

Has it ever occured to you that Africa's oral history tradition is so
large because they were illiterate?  Get a grip, Stewie.
 
> : >Also, many of the forms of ritual dance among Africans are varied and 
> : >complex and considered by those familiar with them to be a form of 
> : >artistic expression.  They still go on today.  You could consider
> 
> : Nowadays, a piece of shit in a jar is considered a form of artistic 
> : expression. (pardon my English).
> 
> Well, I meant real artistic expression. 

A piece of shit in a jar is considered REAL artistic expression.  Well, a
crucifix in a jar of pee is, as is a bullwhip up the bum.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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The Israelis, apparently, bombed a UN refugee station in Lebanon that was
chock full o' Palestinian refugees.  There were nine casualties, eight
children.
 
I didn't know Israel had DECLARED WAR on Lebanon.  Why else are they
firing weapons into LEBANESE TERRITORY?
 
Les
 




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article <4l1k3j$s5m@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>He can post archived posts from now 'till Doomsday, and it won't change 
>>anything.
> 
> I certainly do not expect _you_ to change, Griswold. That is not why I
> continue to challenge your assertions.

Re-read what was written, Brownie.  I said that your practice won't change
_anything_, not just me.

>>It just doesn't seem to occur to you types that ONE Black-on-White rape is 
>>too many.
> 
> Are there any types of rape to which that statement does not apply?

How typical:  in order for my position to have any sort of "legitimacy"
with you creeps, it has to be universal in scope.  I thought I had made it
perfectly clear that I was NOT picking up for EVERYONE, but rather that I
was a White Nationalist.  I'm not surprised, however, to see what a
butt-head you are.

Les



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Stewart King (slking@scunix4.harvard.edu) writes:
> Alexandre Kotov (akotov1@umbc.edu) wrote:
> : In article <4l0a08$mfv@decaxp.HARVARD.EDU>,
> : Stewart King  wrote:
> : >I bet Wole Soyinka could kick Alexander Solshenitsyn's ass in a fight.
> 
> : Wole Soyinka? Never heard of him.  My library catalog tells me that he is a
> : Nigerian dude.  
> 
> Whoosh.  For a while after I posted that I was afraid I'd gotten him 
> mixed up with the Poles.  But I was just thinking of Lech Walesa.  Never 
> mind.
> 
> He's some sort of politically important novelist.  I've never actually 
> read any of his stuff but he's kind of famous.  

But you won't let not actually having read any of his stuff stop you from
peaising him to the stars, and using him as an example of negro
achievement, will you?

> : I wonder, what language did he use to write his supposedly
> : cool books.  I bet it was English! For his country did not manage to
> : produce a written language of its own.
> 
> I really don't have any idea.  And Arabic was there before English.  

Yes, it was.  But that doesn't tell us whether or not he wrote his books
in English or not.

> There's always Swahili! 

A pidgin trade language.  Hardly what ANYONE would use to write a book.

> I'm taking a modern Africa course next semester, I'll tell you then.

Please do.

(snip - snip, snip, snip - hi, Stewie!)
 
> Sure, Europe's literary tradition is bigger than Africa's, I'll not deny 
> that.  But Africa's oral history tradition is bigger than Europe's.  It's 
> a matter of culture.

Has it ever occured to you that Africa's oral history tradition is so
large because they were illiterate?  Get a grip, Stewie.
 
> : >Also, many of the forms of ritual dance among Africans are varied and 
> : >complex and considered by those familiar with them to be a form of 
> : >artistic expression.  They still go on today.  You could consider
> 
> : Nowadays, a piece of shit in a jar is considered a form of artistic 
> : expression. (pardon my English).
> 
> Well, I meant real artistic expression. 

A piece of shit in a jar is considered REAL artistic expression.  Well, a
crucifix in a jar of pee is, as is a bullwhip up the bum.

Les



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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article <4l1k3j$s5m@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>He can post archived posts from now 'till Doomsday, and it won't change 
>>anything.
> 
> I certainly do not expect _you_ to change, Griswold. That is not why I
> continue to challenge your assertions.

Re-read what was written, Brownie.  I said that your practice won't change
_anything_, not just me.

>>It just doesn't seem to occur to you types that ONE Black-on-White rape is 
>>too many.
> 
> Are there any types of rape to which that statement does not apply?

How typical:  in order for my position to have any sort of "legitimacy"
with you creeps, it has to be universal in scope.  I thought I had made it
perfectly clear that I was NOT picking up for EVERYONE, but rather that I
was a White Nationalist.  I'm not surprised, however, to see what a
butt-head you are.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Apr 19 10:23:26 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Negroes under slavery (was: The Confederate Flag)
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Roger Brown (brownro@netcom.com) writes:
> -ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <4l2c49$kke@freenet-news.carleton.ca>: 
> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Hoo, boy, here we go again with the "slaves were maltreated and raped" bit.
> 
> : Look, Johnson, NO-ONE is arguing that slaves had it hunky-dory here, or
> : that slaves were better off under slavery than they were after it was
> : repealed.  What IS being said is that negroes had it far better off over
> : here, EVEN AS SLAVES, than they would have had it if they had been left in
> : Africa.
> 
> Which is, of course, bullshit.

You are free to believe what you will.  You are even free to express it. 
Just be aware that expressing "opinions" such as the above make you look
like a retard.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Roger Brown (brownro@netcom.com) writes:
> -ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> <4l2c49$kke@freenet-news.carleton.ca>: 
> Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
> 
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Hoo, boy, here we go again with the "slaves were maltreated and raped" bit.
> 
> : Look, Johnson, NO-ONE is arguing that slaves had it hunky-dory here, or
> : that slaves were better off under slavery than they were after it was
> : repealed.  What IS being said is that negroes had it far better off over
> : here, EVEN AS SLAVES, than they would have had it if they had been left in
> : Africa.
> 
> Which is, of course, bullshit.

You are free to believe what you will.  You are even free to express it. 
Just be aware that expressing "opinions" such as the above make you look
like a retard.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Apr 19 10:53:42 PDT 1996
Article: 25986 of alt.politics.white-power
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Pure blood (was: Asian invasion of England!)
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David Boothroyd (david@election.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <199604161436.HAA29297@eternity.c2.org>, whitewolf@alpha.c2.org 
> writes:
>> >From: Mike Dickson 
>> >Define 'pure English blood' for us, will you? 
>>
>> Pure - Adjective
>> 1 Not mixed with any other substance, free from impurities.
>> 2 Free from evil or sin.
>> 
>> So 'pure English blood' means blood that has been only mixed among
>> the members of the same Race over generations, without mixing with
>> other Races.  Blood comes from the body, where would you think?
> 
> There is no 'pure English blood'. English blood is as impure as any other. 
> It comes from the Angles, the Saxons, the Celts, the Picts, the Gaels, the
> Norse, the Vikings, the Romans, the Gauls, and, some way back, the native
> Britons.

Typical liberal argument:  Angles, Saxons, Celts, Gaels, Norse, Vikings,
Romans, and Gauls are all of the same racial group.  To compare a cross
involving these closely-related strains with what occurs when a negro is
mixed with a White is dishonest, at best.
 
Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Apr 19 18:44:24 PDT 1996
Article: 31962 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Whiny union shit John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Loser Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) hangs in there, desperately:

(snip)

>>>>> as typical of
>>>>> "negro [sic] politics" would be like portraying Bosnian conflict
>>>>> civilities (such as forcing one man to bite another man's testicles off,
>>>>> one of hundreds of well-documented atrocities)
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, well-documented like the "facts" at the Nuremberg "trials".
>>> 
>>> Yeah, just like those. Refute them if you can, Reb Griswald.
>> 
>> Okee-dokee, Johnny.  I'll assume that your bag-biting incident is _bona
>> fide_.  The difference, dear boy, lies in the FREQUENCY with which these
>> things happen among negroes, as opposed to among Whites.  
> 
> Give us one more documented occurrence such as the one Margolis describes.
> I have a few more from Bosnia for you in the meantime. 

Sure, Scrotum-boy:  Haiti.  Between 1844 and 1915, only ONE out of
EIGHTEEN Haitian presidents completed his term of office.  Fourteen were
ousted by armed uprising, one was blown up, one was poisoned, and one was
hacked to pieces by a mob.

Or try Rwanda.  HOW MANY Hutus were Tutsi-rolled?

Or the former Belgian Congo.  HOW MANY nuns were raped, killed and
cannibalised by negro rebels?

Or the former Rhodesia.  HOW MANY Whites were slaughtered to make way for
Communism?

Or Kenya?  Or South Africa?

You know, John, your sort of reality denial is doing more to convince
people that WE'RE right than a thousand well-armed recruiters ever could. 
Just keep up your idiocy, and people will SEE for themselves how empty and
vacuous your positions are.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Apr 20 09:01:21 PDT 1996
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Whiny union shit John Baglow (ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) equivocates:
> Loser Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) squirms:

(snip - Johnny trying to draw attention away from the FACTS of negro violence)

>> A couple of questions, John-boy.  I mean, I KNOW you're not biased AGAINST
>> Whites and FOR negroes, right, so it's only fair to give you an opportunity
>> to explain yourself before I come to the conclusion that you want to draw
>> attention away from negro shortcomings, right?
>>  
>> 1)  How FREQUENTLY do Whites abuse each other the way negroes abuse each
>> other?
> 
> In the past two centuries? Let's have your citations first, since you made
> the charge that Blacks have behaved with more brutality than whites in
> recent history.

Looks like you need to learn the same lesson that "lblack" needs, namely
that anyone making an outrageous claim, such as your statement implies,
needs to provide evidence.  Remarking on the obvious (ie, that negroes
have, and are, more brutal than Whites) is like arguing that the sun rises
in the east.  If you're too stupid to see the obvious, that's not my
problem.

> You mention one alleged incident of murder and cannibalism committed during
> a civil war.

Funny how the same sort of "alleged incidents" keep occuring every few years.

>> 2)  Does the situation in the Balkans, or what happened in Germany as a
>> result of WW II somehow negate what happened in Haiti?  
> 
> Of course not. I am not trying to prove that whites are somehow *more*
> savage than Blacks. I am offering examples to show that savagery is not
> restricted by race. You are living proof of that.

I never said that savagery is RESTRICTED by race.  I quite clearly said
that negroes have a higher FREQUENCY of it.  You really should pay
attention to what IS said, Johnny, not what you WISH was said.

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Apr 20 09:36:10 PDT 1996
Article: 17731 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: The hollow-cause (was: Jews for Jesus!)
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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber) wrote:

(snip)

>>Your continued Christian bashing is evidence of the need for a real 
>>holocaust.

(snip)
 
> They'll be another holocaust over YOUR dead bodies.
> 
> NEVER AGAIN!  AM YISRAEL CHAI!!

There never WAS a so-called "holocaust" in the first place, though,
Mathis.  Your emotional appeals don't impress anyone who looks at the facts.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sat Apr 20 09:40:56 PDT 1996
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Joe Lockhart (ecdl@wpg.ramp.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?
>>
>>Probably all of them, idiot.  SHARP stands for "Skin Heads Against Racial
>>Pride".
>>
> Get it right Les, it's "Shit Heads Against Racial Pride."

I heard that it's "Shit Heads After Rectal Pleasure". :-)
 
Les




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Joe Lockhart (ecdl@wpg.ramp.net) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> One question: how many of the SHARPs miscegenate?
>>
>>Probably all of them, idiot.  SHARP stands for "Skin Heads Against Racial
>>Pride".
>>
> Get it right Les, it's "Shit Heads Against Racial Pride."

I heard that it's "Shit Heads After Rectal Pleasure". :-)
 
Les




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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:
>> 
>> evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>> > I have more pride in my white, Scandinavian heritage that you racist
>> > lowlives can ever hope to have...
>> 
>> Yeah, so much pride that you're engaged to a spear-chucker...
> 
> She used to cheerlead, but never be a javelin thrower! Your attemts at
> insults against people you know nothing of are quite sad. Has she ever
> e-mailed you or bothered you?

No, you take care of the e-mail front quite well enough, to judge by the
amount of dislike your odious practice engenders here.  But, like a true
liberal, you don't allow the opinions of others to modify your behaviour
one bit.

You just don't understand the enormity of the crime that you're
perpetrating, do you Stefan?  That screaming sound you hear is thousands
of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.

Les




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Ian McKinney (mckinney@usaor.net) writes:
> anakin@pinc.com (Rajiv K. Gandhi) wrote:
> 
>>It certainly does not, but neither does what happens in Haiti in any way
>>negate the FACT that six million jews, gypsies, political prisoners, and
>>homosexuals were tortured and murdered by the Nazi Machine in WWII Europe.
> 
> How about the machete butchery and "necklacing" that occurs in nearly
> every African country during their continuous revolutions?  Even if
> you accept the Holohoax stories about gassings, then you must also
> accept that even at worse, gassing is a lot more humane than being
> sliced and diced by a mob of drunken machete waving negroes. And let's
> not forget the what happens to any woman, especially White ones, that
> they get their hands on. Of course this isn't any recent trend. The
> Africans have been engaging in brutal and hideous murder for
> centuries. Even if you believe all the worst stories that have ever
> been spread about the Nazis, they were humanitarians by comparison.

This is typical of liberals:  when their big mouths get them too dug in to
deny something (happens often), they switch topics, as subtely as they
can, hoping that they can avoid addressing the FACTS presented to them by
a non-liberal by making some sort of appeal to emotion.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Apr 22 06:50:42 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
> In article <4lagqn$t8o@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - about the Israelis firing into UN refugee camps, hoping to snuff a
few Hezbollah terrorists)

> * And yet, knowing this, the Israelis decide to bomb refugee camps anyway? 
> * Mighty brave of them.
> 
> The Israelis fired back when fired upon. Unfortunately, when women and
> children are considered expendible, the Hezbollah have not had the
> integrity to separate themselves and their battles from innocent
> civilians. Naturally, when we see children who have had limbs blown off or
> who have died, we are horrified. The Hezbollah has continued to fire
> rockets into northern Israel after this atrocity, so, evidently, losing
> their wives, children and neighbors did not make them even pause in their
> activities.

So, the Israelis decided to share Hezbollah's savagery?  Look, Crazy, the 
Israelis weren't using tac nukes.  Even McOyVay admits that the Hezbollah
dudes were THREE HUNDRED METRES from the UN refugee camp.  To "miss" their 
targets by 300 metres, they would have to have had really shitty targetting 
systems, or a callous disregard for where their weaponry went after it left 
the delivery systems.

(snip)

> Speaking of gutless, perhaps you'd like to tell everyone if -- "biological
> sin is NEVER forgiven" -- why you didn't have the nads to plainly condemn
> the racial theorist and his sidekick Marlow after they both admitted that
> they'd had multiple sexual relationships with black women?

Did they have children?

Inter-racial sex is one thing, bad though it is, but inter-racial BREEDING
is far worse.

Les




From stefan@scott.net Mon Apr 22 16:21:35 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> >> You just don't understand the enormity of the crime that you're
> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan?  That screaming sound you hear is thousands
> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
> >
> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> > accused of having "liberal" and "lowlife" parents and family, you would see
> > the irony here if you ever met any of them...!
> 
> Your parents are probably taking the "it's just a phase" attitude, and
> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
> That, or your lying through your teeth.
> 
> Les


No lies Les. There's actually Aryan people like my family in existence who do not adhere 
to the same racist views you and your "Aryan" buddies do. In fact, it is the norm rather 
than the exception at home! As far as just a "phase", well they're flying over for the 
wedding and my mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern 
California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to after school. 
They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives together as "just a 
phase". Sorry Les if we do not live up to your expectations...

eB


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> >> You just don't understand the enormity of the crime that you're
> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan?  That screaming sound you hear is thousands
> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
> >
> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> > accused of having "liberal" and "lowlife" parents and family, you would see
> > the irony here if you ever met any of them...!
> 
> Your parents are probably taking the "it's just a phase" attitude, and
> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
> That, or your lying through your teeth.
> 
> Les


No lies Les. There's actually Aryan people like my family in existence who do not adhere 
to the same racist views you and your "Aryan" buddies do. In fact, it is the norm rather 
than the exception at home! As far as just a "phase", well they're flying over for the 
wedding and my mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern 
California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to after school. 
They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives together as "just a 
phase". Sorry Les if we do not live up to your expectations...

eB


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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> You just don't understand the enormity of the crime that you're
>> perpetrating, do you Stefan?  That screaming sound you hear is thousands
>> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
> 
> Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what 
> race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> accused of having "liberal" and "lowlife" parents and family, you would see
> the irony here if you ever met any of them...!

Your parents are probably taking the "it's just a phase" attitude, and
they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it. 
That, or your lying through your teeth.

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)

> Well, Les, you are probably quite the expert in disappointing your
> parents, aren't you? How did they react when you told them that you were
> going to shack up with someone to produce babies for the white race
> without marrying her? Is Sylvie "just a phase" for you too, cockroach-boy?

The phrase, "None of your business, you crazy old bat." comes to mind...

Les




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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> I have more pride in my white, Scandinavian heritage that you racist
> lowlives can ever hope to have...

Yeah, so much pride that you're engaged to a spear-chucker...

Les




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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

Moi: 
>> >> You just don't understand the enormity of the crime that you're
>> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan?  That screaming sound you hear is thousands
>> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.

EB:
>> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
>> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
>> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
>> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
>> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
>> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
>> > accused of having "liberal" and "lowlife" parents and family, you would see
>> > the irony here if you ever met any of them...!

Moi again: 
>> Your parents are probably taking the "it's just a phase" attitude, and
>> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
>> That, or your lying through your teeth.
> 
> No lies Les. There's actually Aryan people like my family in existence who
> do not adhere to the same racist views you and your "Aryan" buddies do.

Here we see classic liberalism at its best:  Beaver thinks that a) only
White people can be racist, and b) that it's easy to identify White people
when talking about their racism.

> In fact, it is the norm rather than the exception at home!

Sure, Beaver.  Conducted some surveys, have you?

> As far as just a "phase", well they're flying over for the wedding and my
> mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
> California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to
> after school.  They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives
> together as "just a phase". Sorry Les if we do not live up to your
> expectations...

So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
miscegenation.  That's nothing to be proud of, Stefan.

Les



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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

Moi: 
>> >> You just don't understand the enormity of the crime that you're
>> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan?  That screaming sound you hear is thousands
>> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.

EB:
>> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
>> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
>> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
>> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
>> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
>> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
>> > accused of having "liberal" and "lowlife" parents and family, you would see
>> > the irony here if you ever met any of them...!

Moi again: 
>> Your parents are probably taking the "it's just a phase" attitude, and
>> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
>> That, or your lying through your teeth.
> 
> No lies Les. There's actually Aryan people like my family in existence who
> do not adhere to the same racist views you and your "Aryan" buddies do.

Here we see classic liberalism at its best:  Beaver thinks that a) only
White people can be racist, and b) that it's easy to identify White people
when talking about their racism.

> In fact, it is the norm rather than the exception at home!

Sure, Beaver.  Conducted some surveys, have you?

> As far as just a "phase", well they're flying over for the wedding and my
> mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
> California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to
> after school.  They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives
> together as "just a phase". Sorry Les if we do not live up to your
> expectations...

So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
miscegenation.  That's nothing to be proud of, Stefan.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Apr 23 09:47:01 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> afn44444@afn.org (james g. street) wrote:
> 
>>THIS IS THE MILITA SPEAKING GET OUT OF THIS COUNTRYOUNTRY BEFORE WE START
>>OPERATIONS AGAINST YOU, THIS IS YOUR ONLY WARNING, ALL KIKES GET OUT OF
>>HERE BEFORE WE START OUR FINAL PLAN AGAINST YOU, AND THE NIGGERS STAY
>>AWAY FROM BIG TREES, THE RACE WAR HAS BEGUN

Stop shouting, fer chrissake.
 
> I'm sooooooooooooo scared.
> 
> You guys wouldn't last a second in my neighborhood.

Problem is, Freshie, it's NOT your neighbourhood.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> EEGG87E@prodigy.com (M Huber) wrote:

(snip)

>>For the record, the Lebanese are not war-like people. Abandoned by 
>>America, disarmed by Israel, they don't have the physical wherewithall to 
>>cope with Israeli's enemy Hezbola. In years past, Israel demonstrated her 
>>ability to invade a sovereign country, street by street, building by 
>>building, room by room to evicerate the terrorists. She did it then; she 
>>can do it now.
> 
> When?  Care to cite dates when Israel was the aggressor and not the
> defender?

Uhm, Deir Yassin, 1948?  Then ther's an unimportant occurence where 35
U.S. sailors were killed aboard the Liberty, which preceded the Six Days'
War.

Les



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Tim Hill (timh@halcyon.com) writes:
> For those of you who've never actually seen paranoid ramblings, Norio 
> has provided us with an example.
> 
> One wonders why these anti-semites find the militia ranks to be such 
> fruitful recruiting areas. 

One also wonders why ANY mention of jews is labelled as "anti-semitism",
and not addressed on the merits of the issue.

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Apr 23 12:56:11 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu), being
deliberately dense, writes: 
> In article <4lagqn$t8o@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:

(snip)

> * > Hmmmm... Les -- are you outfitting those kids of yours with exploding
> * > backpacks in order to jumpstart that race war that you're having wetdreams
> * > over?
> * 
> * Nah, I leave the using of human shields to the BATF and the other federal
> * agencies.
> 
> Here you go again -- bleating about the U.S. government when you don't
> live here or have any right to complain about what goes on in in *my
> country*. You have forgotten that most people know that you rely on
> chop-sukey Sylvie and your crotch-sniffing Rotweiler to protect you from
> the Avon Lady. You have also forgotten to mention your wacko buddy David
> "I really like little girls" Koresh, who had a full month to let the women
> and children leave before he decided to incinerate everyone for Jesus. 

The U.S. of A.  is NOT "your country", you sick perverted piece of liberal
shit, and in any event, what happens to the WHITE RACE - MY race, in case
you're too stupid to figure it out - concerns me, whether it takes place
in Ottawa, Washington D.C., or on the other side of the world.

Les
 




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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
>  (Ashley) writes:
> > In article <4l3df1$7uq@juliana.sprynet.com>, 1@1.1 says...
> >>
> >>scallon@pyrotechnics.com (Brendan J. F. Scallon) wrote:
> >>
> >>>I am just wondering; how many of you white power people would solve
> >>
> >>>1 Black honey + 1 White dude?
> >>
> >>>If you are so obsessed with protecting white women from the "evil"
> >>>Black man, what is your viewpoint if the woman wears the melanin?
> >>
> >>>I know some of the CLOCers get pretty horny over this.
> >>
> >>In this culture, white males seldom find black women sexually
> >>attractive.
> > I don't think it happens that often enough for anyone to get mad at. I've
> > yet to see a white male with a black female. ONLY   in the movies. You just
> > need to look out for the black males with a white female. Black males are
> > few in number, and I notice that alot of black women get pissed off at white
> > women who are dating black men. They shouldn't get mad at the woman, it's
> > the man's fault, also. He's the one wanting a "White Prize."
> 
> Or, less optimistically, the negro believes that he's "getting one up on
> Whitey" by taking his woman.
> 
> Les


Well, if this guy above has never seen a white man with a black woman in the U.S. his 
view and experiences of this country must be quite narrow indeed. Probably been holed up 
in Idaho or Iowa his whole life... Anyhow, who cares who dates who? People frustrated 
about their own personal relations I guess.

eB


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com), in love with himself, writes:
> > In article <4ldvgv$356@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> > bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> >>Anyone who believes that there can be any
> >>serious discussion over the fact that negroes are backwards when compared
> >>to the White Race is too stupid to debate with.
> >
> > Ad hominem, and fallacious.
> 
> Not really, dummy.  It happens to be TRUE.  Just like anyone who wants to
> "debate" that 2+2=4.
> 
> Les


It is "true" that "Negroes are backwards" because YOU say so?!! HA HA HA HA!!!!

eB


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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article <4li7ba$fmo@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>> Ad hominem, and fallacious.
>>
>>Not really, dummy.  It happens to be TRUE (ie, that anyone who doubts
>>negro backwardness, or lack of evolution, compared to the White Race, is
>>too stupid to debate with).  Just like anyone who wants to "debate" that
>>2+2=4. 
> 
> The ad hominem argument, whenever and wherever used, is fallacious.

*sigh*

But it's NOT an ad hominem, Jeffy.  You're being deliberately obtuse, or
are you REALLY so lazy that you can't use your own two eyes to see around
you?  You'd need to be convinced that water is wet.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: And so it goes... (was: Ignorance Abounds)
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 (Jennifer Addison) pontificates:

(snip)

> Do you actually beleive what you say or are you just trying to stir up an 
> argument by writing that "negroes are backwards" ?  Sounds to me like you
> need to revise you rascist attitude and seek out some education!

Translation:  "Black skin good, white skin baaad!"

Les



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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Dead Bitch) Reply-To: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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> Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
> 
> evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Moi:
> >> >> You just don't understand the enormity of the crime that you're
> >> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan?  That screaming sound you hear is thousands
> >> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
> 
> EB:
> >> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> >> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> >> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> >> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> >> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
> >> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> >> > accused of having "liberal" and "lowlife" parents and family, you would see
> >> > the irony here if you ever met any of them...!
> 
> Moi again:
> >> Your parents are probably taking the "it's just a phase" attitude, and
> >> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
> >> That, or your lying through your teeth.
> >
> > No lies Les. There's actually Aryan people like my family in existence who
> > do not adhere to the same racist views you and your "Aryan" buddies do.
> 
> Here we see classic liberalism at its best:  Beaver thinks that a) only
> White people can be racist, and b) that it's easy to identify White people
> when talking about their racism.


Where did I say that only whites can be racist? What does this have to do with classical 
liberalism - people like Hobbes, Locke etc?!! You do know what classical libelarism 
means don't you??



> 
> > In fact, it is the norm rather than the exception at home!
> 
> Sure, Beaver.  Conducted some surveys, have you?


No, but I just like you can gather the mood of a certain place to at least some degree.



> 
> > As far as just a "phase", well they're flying over for the wedding and my
> > mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
> > California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to
> > after school.  They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives
> > together as "just a phase". Sorry Les if we do not live up to your
> > expectations...
> 
> So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
> miscegenation.  That's nothing to be proud of, Stefan.
> 
> Les


Why are they "degenerate"? You know nothing of them. They have raised their children to 
become quite successful and productive, they are nice people that don't hurt others, and 
my mother especially has been involved quite a bit in helping out the not so fortunate 
in this world through her job. That's more than some people can say and I happen to be 
proud of them no matter what you say...

eB


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From: evil Beavis 
Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power,alt.politics.british
Subject: Re: Asian invasion of England!
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 21:22:47 -0500
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> Whitewolf:
> >> We are talking about the future of England, as a White country, or not.
> >> I think you have more to worry about with all the chinks arriving on
> >> your doorstep soon.
> >>
> >> Woe to you when your country is swamped, and I bet you will be the
> >> first to complain when there is no jobs left, and your streets are taken
> >> over by gangs of asian drug gangs!
> 
> > Jobs are already scare in Great Britain and white youth do a good job at
> > making the streets unsafe. Who are you to tell a Brit what's best for his
> > country anyways?!!
> 
> He's not telling Brits what's best for their country, but telling them
> that 2 million orientals flooding their already overcrowded island will NOT
> be good for them.  Do you understand the difference, you race-mixing retard?
> 
> Les


Problem is Les, he keeps telling us Europeans what's best for us. Funny since he's never 
been to Europe. Furthermore, his claim that 2 million chinese will "flood" the UK after 
1997 is completely ridiculous. You cannot get one economist or immigration expert to 
agree with this.

eB


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Apr 24 10:57:57 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
>> miscegenation.  That's nothing to be proud of, Stefan.
> 
> Why are they "degenerate"? You know nothing of them. They have raised their
> children to become quite successful and productive, they are nice people
> that don't hurt others, and my mother especially has been involved quite a
> bit in helping out the not so fortunate in this world through her job.

Whoop-de-fucking-do.  How "philanthropic" your parents are matters not one
whit, if they're allowing their genetic heritage to be squandered by their
son.

> That's more than some people can say and I happen to be proud of them no
> matter what you say...

Yeah, but YOU'RE a degenerate, too, so what you're proud of is almost
guaranteed to be shitty.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed Apr 24 10:57:58 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: soc.couples.intercultural,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: Beaver's pride (was: 1 N****r + 1 White Trash = 1 Baboon + 1 Dead Bitch)
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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article <4li6ii$fj8@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@darkwing.uoregon.edu) writes:
>>
>>(snip)
>>
>>> Well, Les, you are probably quite the expert in disappointing your
>>> parents, aren't you? How did they react when you told them that you were
>>> going to shack up with someone to produce babies for the white race
>>> without marrying her? Is Sylvie "just a phase" for you too, cockroach-boy?
>>
>>The phrase, "None of your business, you crazy old bat." comes to mind...
> 
> Griswold again demonstrates his hypocrisy. He feels free to take evil
> Beavis to task for the horrendous crime of "miscegenation", and makes
> numerous remarks concerning Beavis' parent's supposed reactions to his
> choice of bride.

Not  really, you wuss.  See, Stefan waded on here telling us about his
choice in bride.  There was no snooping involved.
 
> Yet his own family situation is supposedly "none of [our] business". Why,
> one wonders, does Griswold believe he can have it both ways? What makes
> Griswold believe he should be himself immune from critiques of his
> lifestyle, while still being free to criticize others?

See above, you priss.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Asian invasion of England!
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> Whitewolf:
>> >> We are talking about the future of England, as a White country, or not.
>> >> I think you have more to worry about with all the chinks arriving on
>> >> your doorstep soon.
>> >>
>> >> Woe to you when your country is swamped, and I bet you will be the
>> >> first to complain when there is no jobs left, and your streets are taken
>> >> over by gangs of asian drug gangs!
>> 
>> > Jobs are already scare in Great Britain and white youth do a good job at
>> > making the streets unsafe. Who are you to tell a Brit what's best for his
>> > country anyways?!!
>> 
>> He's not telling Brits what's best for their country, but telling them
>> that 2 million orientals flooding their already overcrowded island will NOT
>> be good for them.  Do you understand the difference, you race-mixing retard?
> 
> Problem is Les, he keeps telling us Europeans what's best for us. Funny
> since he's never been to Europe.

I assume that Whitewolf has never taken a lethal dose of rat poison either.  
Would you therefore doubt his knowledge if he told you that wisdom lay in NOT 
taking a heaping spoonful of it?

Steffy, it doesn't take a rocket scientinst to realize that 2 million
egg-rolls aren't exactly good for a nation.  But then, being the egregious
race-traitor that you are, I don't expect you to see the obvious.

> Furthermore, his claim that 2 million chinese will "flood" the UK after 1997
> is completely ridiculous. You cannot get one economist or immigration expert
> to agree with this. 

ROTFL!  Yeah, like they're really going to admit that 2 million chinks
could be a problem, in the face of job-snatching, family-harrassing PC
twerps.

Les





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Subject: Re: Beaver's pride (was: 1 N****r + 1 White Trash = 1 Baboon + 1
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Dead Bitch) Reply-To: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> References: <4jcmdd$62u@chile.it.earthlink.net> <4ktec3$42@news.pyrotechnics.com> <4kv0ad$j7l@freenet-news.carleton.ca> <1996Apr18.181649.15995@wpg.ramp.net> <
> Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
> 
> evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> > Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Moi:
> >> >> You just don't understand the enormity of the crime that you're
> >> >> perpetrating, do you Stefan?  That screaming sound you hear is thousands
> >> >> of your ancestors protesting your miscegenation.
> 
> EB:
> >> > Well no one in my family has ever married anyone outside Sweden before
> >> > except my sister who is married to a Spaniard, but noone has a problem with
> >> > this anyhow. Including my 80-year+ and quite conservative grandparents. You
> >> > see, in our family we do not think ourselves better than others based upon
> >> > skin color etc., and we do not make judgements upon people based upon what
> >> > race they belong to. I am glad for it no matter what you think. I was once
> >> > accused of having "liberal" and "lowlife" parents and family, you would see
> >> > the irony here if you ever met any of them...!
> 
> Moi again:
> >> Your parents are probably taking the "it's just a phase" attitude, and
> >> they probably strong-armed your grandparents into going along with it.
> >> That, or your lying through your teeth.
> >
> > No lies Les. There's actually Aryan people like my family in existence who
> > do not adhere to the same racist views you and your "Aryan" buddies do.
> 
> Here we see classic liberalism at its best:  Beaver thinks that a) only
> White people can be racist, and b) that it's easy to identify White people
> when talking about their racism.


Where did I say that only whites can be racist? What does this have to do with classical 
liberalism - people like Hobbes, Locke etc?!! You do know what classical libelarism 
means don't you??



> 
> > In fact, it is the norm rather than the exception at home!
> 
> Sure, Beaver.  Conducted some surveys, have you?


No, but I just like you can gather the mood of a certain place to at least some degree.



> 
> > As far as just a "phase", well they're flying over for the wedding and my
> > mom is planning on finding herself a winter home in either Southern
> > California or Miami, two of the places we will most likely relocate to
> > after school.  They, like me, do not regard marriage and planning your lives
> > together as "just a phase". Sorry Les if we do not live up to your
> > expectations...
> 
> So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
> miscegenation.  That's nothing to be proud of, Stefan.
> 
> Les


Why are they "degenerate"? You know nothing of them. They have raised their children to 
become quite successful and productive, they are nice people that don't hurt others, and 
my mother especially has been involved quite a bit in helping out the not so fortunate 
in this world through her job. That's more than some people can say and I happen to be 
proud of them no matter what you say...

eB


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evil Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:
> Les Griswold wrote:

(snip)

>> So your parents are just as degenerate as you, if they approve of your
>> miscegenation.  That's nothing to be proud of, Stefan.
> 
> Why are they "degenerate"? You know nothing of them. They have raised their
> children to become quite successful and productive, they are nice people
> that don't hurt others, and my mother especially has been involved quite a
> bit in helping out the not so fortunate in this world through her job.

Whoop-de-fucking-do.  How "philanthropic" your parents are matters not one
whit, if they're allowing their genetic heritage to be squandered by their
son.

> That's more than some people can say and I happen to be proud of them no
> matter what you say...

Yeah, but YOU'RE a degenerate, too, so what you're proud of is almost
guaranteed to be shitty.

Les




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Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>                           NATIONAL SOCIALISM 
>>                                 PRIMER
> 
>>                             Second Edition
>>                            Updated 01/01/96
> 
> [rubbish snip]
> 
>>Why do you call yourselves "Aryan?"
> 
>>      _Aryan_ is derived from the Indo-European root "aryo," meaning noble. 
>>   _Arya_ has been used as a self-description of Indo-European Peoples from 
>>   Ireland to India for millenia, and survives today in the country names 
>>   _Eire_ (Ireland) and _Iran_.  Last century, _Aryan_ was revived from the
>>   largely forgotten heritage of our ancestors, and has been used since by 
>>   both scientists and laypersons as a synonym for White.  _Aryan_ was popular-
>>   ized by Adolf Hitler in his political autobiography, _Mein Kampf_  [My 
>>   Struggle].
>>  
>>      _Aryan_ is the proper designation for the White Peoples of Europe and 
>>   their descendants across the globe.
> 
> 
> Well, according to Ingo Hasselbach who used to be like Raven:

Ah, yes, Ingo Hasselbach, a jew who has *NO* reference whatsoever to Aryans.
 
Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Simple English for the simple-minded (was: Asian invasion of England!)
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Carmine Colacino (colacino@violet.berkeley.edu) displays his/her/its ignorance 
for all to see:

(snip)

> Yes, we all see you do not know of what you are talking about.
> By the way, sorry for you, ther real "Aryans" are the Iranians, indeed 
> Iran means "Land of the Aryans." Perhaps you should move over there, I 
> am sure they would love your refined argumentation. And your deep 
> knowledge of biology too.

*sigh*

One more time for all you mouth-breathing liberal assholes...

The area now known as Iran USED to be populated by Aryans.  It isn't anymore.

Got it yet?

Les



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 (billy@cafe.net) writes:
> In article <4lkrf5$ado@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> Les Griswold  wrote:
>>Steffy, it doesn't take a rocket scientinst to realize that 2 million
>>egg-rolls aren't exactly good for a nation.  
> 
> Egg rolls, chow mein, won ton soup, BBQ pork...I could go on.
> 
> Now, just what kind of culinary diversity would the English have if not for
> foreign influences.  Steak pie and fish and chips, day in and day out.

Oh, just ducky, we'll sell out our childrens' future so that we can have
some foreign food.  I'm sure your children will thank you for your
foresight...

>>But then, being the egregious race-traitor that you are, I don't expect you 
>>to see the obvious.
> 
> Disregarding race does not make one a "traitor". 

No, but actively speaking out against those who practice racial loyalty does.

>>ROTFL!  Yeah, like they're really going to admit that 2 million chinks
>>could be a problem, in the face of job-snatching, family-harrassing PC
>>twerps.
> 
> "Job snatching"--all part of the free-market capitalist system that you "right
> wingers" are supposed to prefer. 

Bull.  You know diddly-squat about us "right-wingers".

Les


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Apr 25 10:17:31 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> You do not agree with the argument that countries like Zimbabwe and South
> Africa has the right to be ruled by, or at least mainly influenced by the
> majority and original population of those countries? 

But the "majority" populations of those countries are NOT the ones who
built them.  Leaving aside the fact that the Xhosa and Zulus are primitive, 
spear-chucking savages, neither group was the "original population" of South
Africa, at least.  They came in to the area AFTER the Whites had built it up.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> You do not agree with the argument that countries like Zimbabwe and South
> Africa has the right to be ruled by, or at least mainly influenced by the
> majority and original population of those countries? 

But the "majority" populations of those countries are NOT the ones who
built them.  Leaving aside the fact that the Xhosa and Zulus are primitive, 
spear-chucking savages, neither group was the "original population" of South
Africa, at least.  They came in to the area AFTER the Whites had built it up.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Apr 25 14:35:22 PDT 1996
Article: 32663 of alt.revisionism
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jason Silverman (jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu) writes:
> In article <199604240732.AAA22450@infinity.c2.org>, ezundel@alpha.c2.org
> (E. Zundel) wrote:

(snip)

>> I have a lot of memories like that.  Tonight I will look at the stars -
>> something I haven't done for years.  I know the stars are going to be far
>> away, but I will ask my question anyway:
>> 
>> "Why did America make common cause with monsters out of hell?"
> 
> Because we were shrewd and intelligent military strategists -- something
> Hitler wasn't.  We allied ourselves with the Russians because we were
> intelligent enough to know that it was the only way we could win the war. 

So winning the war was all that mattered?  Never mind that it entailed
allying with a gaggle of jews and Communists -- our racial brethren, who
were fighting for their RACE, had to be eliminated.

BTW, Hitler may not have been a great strategist, but his General Staff
was absolutely kick-ass.

Les



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evil "Foot-boy" Beavis (stefan@scott.net) writes:

(snip)

> You do not agree with the argument that countries like Zimbabwe and South
> Africa has the right to be ruled by, or at least mainly influenced by the
> majority and original population of those countries? 

But the "majority" populations of those countries are NOT the ones who
built them.  Leaving aside the fact that the Xhosa and Zulus are primitive, 
spear-chucking savages, neither group was the "original population" of South
Africa, at least.  They came in to the area AFTER the Whites had built it up.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Apr 26 07:27:49 PDT 1996
Article: 18139 of alt.politics.nationalism.white
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wlfmn (wlfmn@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
>>Go ahead, keep fooling yourself.  Yeah, we'll all be SO MUCH BETTER OFF
>>turning our First World into a multi-racial hodge-podge, won't we?
>>
> Hey Less...
> OPEN YOUR EYES!!! It already is!!!  Maybe that's why this area of the
> world is mainly what you call "first world" (as opposed to third world
> I guess).

It certainly isn't First World because of the "contributions" of a bunch
of non-Whites.

Les




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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> > In article <4li6ii$fj8@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
> >            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> 
> (snip - Crazy Jeannie snooping in to my personal affairs)
> 
> >> The phrase, "None of your business, you crazy old bat." comes to mind...
> >
> > If who you fuck (e.g. Sylvie (if she exists)) is none of anyone's
> > business, then why are you so fascinated with eB and his
> > fiance and his parent's attitutes towards her?
> 
> As I explained to that mental midget, JGB, Steffy came coasting in here,
> bragging about his baloon-lipped fiancee.  No-one asked him.
> 
> Les


Here we go again, now she is "balloon lipped". I wish we could pay you a visit one day!!

eB


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> > In article <4li6ii$fj8@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
> >            bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA "Les Griswold" writes:
> 
> (snip - Crazy Jeannie snooping in to my personal affairs)
> 
> >> The phrase, "None of your business, you crazy old bat." comes to mind...
> >
> > If who you fuck (e.g. Sylvie (if she exists)) is none of anyone's
> > business, then why are you so fascinated with eB and his
> > fiance and his parent's attitutes towards her?
> 
> As I explained to that mental midget, JGB, Steffy came coasting in here,
> bragging about his baloon-lipped fiancee.  No-one asked him.
> 
> Les


Here we go again, now she is "balloon lipped". I wish we could pay you a visit one day!!

eB


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Paul Whitehouse (paul@mustang.mv.com), confusing technical incompetence with 
machismo, writes:
 
(snip)
 
>    Yup, and they occur at least as if not more frequently in Romania and 
> Yugoslavia.
 
Bullshit.
 
> BTW, what do you consider the more "civilized" form of brutality - single 
> hand to hand, or the indiscriminate artillery barrage? 
 
This is the same sort of mind-set that praises the "noble savage" for
being so in-tune with his environment, not abusing it with pollutants like
the evil White man.  Fact is, Whitehorse, that negroes are INCAPABLE of
developing artillery (or anything beyond a stone axe) on their own.  Don't
confuse their inability to grasp anything beyond Neolitic technology with
higher morals.
 
Les



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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : What's "defective" about an aesthetic sense that doesn't find Andres
> : Serano's _Piss Christ_ to be art, or Robert Mapplethorpe's "book" on faggotry?
> 
> Plenty. (For one thing, the absence of a sense of humour.)

Ah.  So a crucifix in a jar of piss is supposed to be "funny"?  A bullwhip
up the ass is supposed to be humourous?  What's REALLY funny is that these
bozoes get government funding for their degeneracy (the NEA for Serano,
not sure about Mapplethorpe).

Les




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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)

> BTW: You know what they say, the smaller the female's butt, the smaller
> the penis (this only pertains to human butts and we all know which hu-
> mans have the biggest butts at normal weight.)

Scallion, that's SICK!  Really, talking about a "female's" penis size! 
How long have you had this fascination with negro TSs?

Les




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Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
> In article <4l6siu$lp7@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip)

>>> You mention one alleged incident of murder and cannibalism committed during
>>> a civil war.
>>
>>Funny how the same sort of "alleged incidents" keep occuring every few years.
> 
> I demand a reference.

See below.
 
>>I never said that savagery is RESTRICTED by race.  I quite clearly said
>>that negroes have a higher FREQUENCY of it.  You really should pay
>>attention to what IS said, Johnny, not what you WISH was said.
> 
> I DEMAND a reference for your point. And no, phony statistics made up by the 
> KKK don't count.

Translation:  if I don't like what's going to be said, then it's a KKK source.

But, try Carleton Putnam's _Race and Reality_, the sequel to _Race and
Reason_.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Apr 26 11:00:42 PDT 1996
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Fragano Ledgister (fledgist@weber.ucsd.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

(snip)

> : What's "defective" about an aesthetic sense that doesn't find Andres
> : Serano's _Piss Christ_ to be art, or Robert Mapplethorpe's "book" on faggotry?
> 
> Plenty. (For one thing, the absence of a sense of humour.)

Ah.  So a crucifix in a jar of piss is supposed to be "funny"?  A bullwhip
up the ass is supposed to be humourous?  What's REALLY funny is that these
bozoes get government funding for their degeneracy (the NEA for Serano,
not sure about Mapplethorpe).

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Apr 26 11:00:44 PDT 1996
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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)

> BTW: You know what they say, the smaller the female's butt, the smaller
> the penis (this only pertains to human butts and we all know which hu-
> mans have the biggest butts at normal weight.)

Scallion, that's SICK!  Really, talking about a "female's" penis size! 
How long have you had this fascination with negro TSs?

Les




From stefan@scott.net Fri Apr 26 11:00:45 PDT 1996
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Guess WHO'S birthday today is?
> 
> Les


That "Aryan" failed painter, murderous coward who shot himself guy by any chance??!

eB


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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Carmine Colacino (colacino@violet.berkeley.edu) displays his/her/its ignorance
> for all to see:

> One more time for all you mouth-breathing liberal assholes...
> 
> The area now known as Iran USED to be populated by Aryans.  It isn't anymore.
> 
> Got it yet?
> 
> Les

Wow, that is true? Who told you? 
Apparently, all the Iranians must have been killed since my previous 
message. Too bad.
That's the only way your statement can be true ;|
You know, the real problem is not ignorance, that could be fixed (given 
enough time, and, of course not in any and each case), but arrogance.
You qualify for both though, congratulation Les.

Carmine


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>From  _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X

"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
and Gaucher's."

Les



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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:

(snip)

> BTW: You know what they say, the smaller the female's butt, the smaller
> the penis (this only pertains to human butts and we all know which hu-
> mans have the biggest butts at normal weight.)

Scallion, that's SICK!  Really, talking about a "female's" penis size! 
How long have you had this fascination with negro TSs?

Les




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James W. White (jwhite@interramp.com) writes:
> In article <4krfgs$st2@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says...
>>
> 
>>Yes, and I realized that the definition of "backwards" that you used 
>>was the same on I was using.  I was saying that, by that definition, the
>>question (ie, "why are Whites backwards?") was absolutely ludicrous. 
>>Whites AREN'T backwards, unless the definition of "backwards" now 
>>means "more advanced than any other race".
> 
> What happened to you dodo?  Not only are you a runt and ignorant.  I 
> know it must be the pygmy in you.  Some Aryan you are working as a 
> security guard.  The average security guard has an IQ between 70 and 
> 85.  They are people who cannot qualify as policemen.  So tell us who 
> are you superior to????  That great grandmother really did it to you 
> didn't she?  I will bet you generate gallons of ear wax too.
> 
> I intend to tell the truth about including that great grandmother from 
> Cameroon.

Go right ahead.  Just don't send me e-mail.

Les



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Andrew Rugg (andyr@sisna.com) writes:

(snip)

> 	Do any of you people know any real Jews?  Once, I met an Ethopian Jew.
> He was black.  Every other Jew I ever met was WHITE.

Ah, so you're confusing appearance with inner essence.  Not surprising,
really.

> 	Most Eastern European Jews are not even semitic by blood.  (Don't tell
> them that, it does not fit well with a commonly held Jewish myth.)  In
> the Middle Ages a kingdom, the Khazar, located on the North shore of
> the Black Sea, converted to Judaism for about two hundred years.  The
> great majority of Eastern European Jews can trace their ancestery to
> these Southern Russians who converted to the Jewish religion.  Hence,
> they were not Semites, but rather Aryans!  Surprize!  Check it out in
> Eastern European Medieval history.

Gee, this just after my quote from _The Dispossessed Majority_.  Guess he
didn't see it, so I've appended it at the end of this message.

(snip)

> 	Judaism is a religion, not a race.  There are white Jews.  Many became
> Jews by choice, such as when Elizabeth Taylor converted to Judaism, or
> when the Khazars converted. 

So, each and every jew is therefore just like Elizabeth Taylor?

> 	People need to learn to check out the facts before they open up their
> mouths and advertise their ignorance.

Good advice.  Too bad liberals have such a hard time swallowing that
simple concept.

> 	A common ancestry is a myth among Jews, but it is only a myth.  They
> may not have one ancestry, but they are one people.  They are united
> by their conviction they are one people.  Would that Americans would
> have a similar attitude.  We could then set aside our petty
> differences and rise to greater heights than we have ever seen before.
> By working together, helping each other and identifying each other, we
> can accomplish over ten times as much as the Jew has by the same
> techniques.  After all, there are over ten times as many of us
> Americans in the world as there are Jews in the world.  (Of course, a
> small percentage, about one percent, of Americans are also Jews.) 

No, try 2.5 percent.

> If you're envious of what they have done, then why not say, whatever you
> can do, we can do better.  -- Then go out and do it.
> 	God bless America.

Any form of unity among the Gentiles is _streng verbotten_ to the
Self-Chosen.  Fractured and arguing amongst ourselves, we are much easier
prey for them.

BTW, here's that quote from _The Dispossessed Majority_ that I promised you.

>From  _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X

"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
and Gaucher's."

Les



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Paul Whitehouse (paul@mustang.mv.com) writes:
> In article <4lml1h$sa6@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA% 
> says...
>>
>>Cthulhu (patrickc@Direct.CA) writes:
>>> In article <4l52gc$57l@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, 
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>> 
>>>>1)  How FREQUENTLY do Whites abuse each other the way negroes abuse each
>>>>other?
>>> 
>>> About the same frequency. What  a stupid question.
>>
>>I demand a reference for this.
> 
>    Demand denied. Why the hell should anybody else be asked to show a 
> standard of proof that you yourself either cannot or will not show yourself? 

Obviously, even simple humour goes right over that protuberance you call a
head.  That was a parody of the "I DEMAND a reference" that came from
Cthulhu, who thinks that if he shouts loud enough, it'll make the truth
that negroes are primitive savages go away.

Les




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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
>>Mike Curtis (mike@aimetering.com) writes:
> 
>>> Well, according to Ingo Hasselbach who used to be like Raven:
> 
>>Ah, yes, Ingo Hasselbach, a jew who has *NO* reference whatsoever to Aryans.
> 
> No no no, Herr Unterfartenundfumenfuhrer, Ingo Hasselbach who used to be
> the leader of the NeoNazis in Germany.  Ingo Hasselbach who tells it like
> it is in his book "Fuhrer Ex".

... which I'm sure you've read exhaustively, looking for information
provided by this jewish "neo-Nazi".

Les



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Anonymous (nobody@flame.alias.net) writes:
> there is only one race - the human race

Shit, I hope P. Whitehouse sees this!

Les



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     Thus far you have made you claim, but you haven't cited any specific examples of how 
blacks are supposedly more "backward" than whites.  Anyone can make a generalized accusation 
without examples.  




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Jason Silverman (jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu) writes:
> In article <4lq4h1$p4@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Andrew Rugg (andyr@sisna.com) writes:
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>> >       Do any of you people know any real Jews?  Once, I met an Ethopian Jew.
>> > He was black.  Every other Jew I ever met was WHITE.
>> 
>> Ah, so you're confusing appearance with inner essence.  Not surprising,
>> really.
> 
> ???  Inner essence?  Only morons and medieval scholastic philosophers
> attempt to determine the qualities of something that is not only
> intangible, but might not even exist.  

Non sequiter.  Just because something is intangible, it does NOT follow
that it "might not even exist".
 
(snip)

>> Any form of unity among the Gentiles is _streng verbotten_ to the
>> Self-Chosen.  Fractured and arguing amongst ourselves, we are much easier
>> prey for them.
> 
> Since you're into these bizarre essentialist arguments, might I infer that
> you are saying that it is of the essence of Gentiles to be divided and
> submissive to Jews (a claim that is clearly false)?  See, you can't say
> that Jews have a certain essence that is reflected in your perception of
> them, yet not say that the actions or state of Gentiles does not reflect
> such an essence.  

Actually, Jason, I AM rather alarmed at the relative ease with which jews
have managed to trick their way into dominance over the much larger
Gentile, and particularly Aryan, population.  There is a fatal flaw in the
Aryan character which the jews have exploited well to their own advantage,
this I won't deny.  But, it does not follow that I have to be HAPPY about
it, or not wish to see it changed.

Les




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                           NATIONAL SOCIALISM 
                                 PRIMER

                             Second Edition
                            Updated 01/01/96


What is National Socialism?

      National Socialism represents the most sound means of assuring the bio-
   logical and cultural rejuvenation and progression of the White, or Aryan, 
   Race. 

      National Socialism is the product of over a century of political and so-
   cial thought cultivated in Germanic Nations, popularized and first put into 
   action by its foremost proponent, German _Fuehrer_ and Chancellor Adolf 
   Hitler.

      National Socialism was at first a progressive political outlook adopted 
   in several European Nations, but evolved quickly into a pan-Aryan Vision of
   racial rejuvenation and progress.  Many rightly view National Socialism as a
   reemergent manifestation of the pre-Christian Aryan cosmology.


Why do you call yourselves "Aryan?"

      _Aryan_ is derived from the Indo-European root "aryo," meaning noble. 
   _Arya_ has been used as a self-description of Indo-European Peoples from 
   Ireland to India for millenia, and survives today in the country names 
   _Eire_ (Ireland) and _Iran_.  Last century, _Aryan_ was revived from the
   largely forgotten heritage of our ancestors, and has been used since by 
   both scientists and laypersons as a synonym for White.  _Aryan_ was popular-
   ized by Adolf Hitler in his political autobiography, _Mein Kampf_  [My 
   Struggle].
  
      _Aryan_ is the proper designation for the White Peoples of Europe and 
   their descendants across the globe.


Why do you use the Swastika?

      The _Swastika_ (from Sanskrit, "good fortune") is an ancient symbol of 
   the Aryan Peoples representing primarily the positive powers of the Universe 
   which generate and sustain Life, and secondarily good will and good fortune 
   toward the righteous.

      The Swastika has been used for over four thousand years by Aryan and non-
   Aryan alike in Asia, Europe, and North America.  Aryan racialists reclaimed 
   use of the Swastika from pre-Christian European cultures as a bold emblem
   suited to represent the revival of our rich heritage.

      In addition to the Swastika, National Socialists utilize several other 
   symbols to visually convey Ideals of our Cause.  Among these are: the Tri-
   skelion, a three-armed cousin of the Swastika often displayed by White South
   Africans, symbolizing racial renewal and progress; the Life Rune, a three-
   armed "Y", derived from the ancient Germanic _Futhark_ (alphabet) and sym-
   bolizing creation, rebirth, and regeneration; and the Odal Rune, a diamond-
   shaped ring with two "legs," symbolizing community and common heritage and 
   usually associated with the concept of "Blood and Soil."


What is "Blood and Soil?"   

      "Blood and Soil" refers to the relationship between People and Homeland, 
   and the link of the individual to the natural Order.  "Blood and Soil" rep-
   resents reverence for the origin and miracles of Life, the Ideal of organic 
   lifestyle, and the importance of truly creative work.


Aren't you nihilists without morality?

      National Socialism is a reawakened moral perception, founded upon the 
   eternal living Truth of the Creator's Will.  National Socialists embrace the
   Divinely-inspired purpose of humanity: the quest for excellence and constant
   improvement.  National Socialists believe the Aryan Race is the premiere 
   guardian of the righteousness of the Divine Will and the vanguard in the 
   never-ending struggle to achieve humanity's ultimate physical and spiritual 
   potential.

      National Socialists realize the present dominant paradigm, based upon 
   Judaic thought, blasphemes the Creator's Will.  Cultural-diversity destroy-
   ing "universalist" ideologies such as Judeo-Christianity, Capitalism, Marx-
   ism, and Internationalism, founded upon the Jewish Ideal of circumvention 
   of the Creator's Will _must_ be rejected by all people who revere the Divine 
   Master of the Universe.  No compromise or synthesis is possible between the 
   natural Order's Truth and thoroughly flawed Jewish paradigms.

      National Socialism has no pretentious religious "law book" purporting to 
   contain "truth."  The Wisdom of God is present in Nature for all to seek, 
   understand, and apply in their own lives.


What are the "14 Words?"

      "We must secure the existence of our People and a future for White 
   children."

      They are a creed defining succinctly the raison d'etre of today's Nation-
   al Socialist Movement, authored by National Socialist revolutionary David 
   Lane.  

      Lane, a member of the armed revolutionary group known as "The Order," was 
   captured and persecuted by the present regime for his Aryan separatist ac-
   tivities, and is now held as a political prisoner in a Federal political 
   dissident facility.


Why do you give that "Hitler salute?"

      The Aryan Salute, the right arm extended forward with an open hand, is an 
   ancient greeting first used by warriors to designate an absence of ready 
   weapons and hostility.  The common military salute is a more convenient ad-
   aptation of this millenia-old custom.  The Aryan Salute has been used by 
   many Aryan Peoples, most notably during ancient times by the Romans, most 
   notably in modern times by citizens of Fascist Italy and National Socialist 
   Germany.

      The Aryan Salute today symbolizes peace, respect, and good will toward 
   comrades or friendly strangers to whom it is extended.  Alternatively, it 
   symbolizes Aryan racial solidarity when extended to foes.


Why do you worship Hitler?

      National Socialists do not "worship" Adolf Hitler.  National Socialists 
   _do_ offer Hitler deserving veneration for his role in bringing our Race a 
   message of hope through his leadership of the German People, and as vision-
   ary of a new Europe and a new world.

      National Socialists recognize that while Hitler was an outstanding lead-
   er, he was human, capable of error.  Hitler's example, both through communi-
   cation with us in _Mein Kampf_, and in the record of his deeds, serves to 
   guide National Socialists in their efforts to initiate Aryan renewal, but 
   his doctrine does not inhibit the positive evolution of National Socialism 
   toward more sound ideas and methods.  Unlike the static, lifeless ideolo-
   gies of the Establishment, such as the "liberalism" and "conservatism" 
   peddled to confuse and divide Americans against themselves, National Social-
   ism is a _living_ philosophy which adapts to new positive trends and cir-
   cumstances of an ever changing world.


Why do you hate Democracy?

      National Socialists embrace _genuine_ Democracy, but reject the Estab-
   lishment's false democracy in which the illusion of a People's government is 
   bolstered by a controlled system of "choices" that all invariably lead to 
   the _same_ end.  

      Adolf Hitler presented a legitimate alternative to the German People in 
   his day, and was freely supported by the vast majority of Germans throughout 
   his reign.  National Socialists today believe that presented a _genuine_ 
   choice, without our opponents using misrepresentation, slander, and false 
   promises, the American Majority would choose to create a National Socialist 
   political system and social order.

      National Socialism does not endorse dictatorship; that is, a political 
   apparatus that functions contrary to the Will and best interests of the
   People, as does the present System.  National Socialism endorses the "lead-
   ership principle," or the idea that a Nation is best governed by those most 
   capable of guiding his or her fellow citizens and providing for their common
   needs and wants.


Why do you hate America?

      National Socialists love the America founded by our pioneer ancestors, 
   but despise the "New America" of crime and corruption, decadence and degen-
   eracy, lies and lewdness.  

      America's founders envisioned a land where Aryans from every European Na-
   tion could build a new life, and by hard work and noble ideals, build a 
   great country.  America became a great country because its Aryan men and 
   women _made_ it a great country.

      Traditional American Ideals of Honesty, Courage, Commitment, Determina-
   tion, Ingenuity, and Industriousness have been subverted because the Ameri-
   can People are one of the last obstacles the World Manipulators must over-
   come to achieve their "New World Order" of absolute power and unchecked ac-
   cumulation of your wealth.  This ongoing destruction of our People is the 
   sinister work of alien anti-Americans, who pose as Americans, and their dil-
   igent assistants, the treasonous Washington Criminals.

      Many great Americans, including Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and Walt 
   Disney believed in National Socialism, and worked to prevent the enslavement
   of our People.  Today's National Socialists demand a return to the Ideals 
   that made this a once great land, and work to restore the prosperity and
   prestige the American People deserve.


Why don't you believe in human rights?

      National Socialists believe that a People's right to choose how they live 
   with whom they choose to live -- the right of self-determination -- is 
   _the_ most fundamental, inalienable human right.

      The Aryan Race has been denied self-determination through the actions of 
   both internal and external forces, these forces operating out of hatred 
   and/or self-interest to inhibit the social and economic health of Aryan 
   families worldwide, with the ultimate goal being the extinction of our kind 
   through genocidal social, political, and economic programs.

      National Socialism's foremost goal is the liberation of the Aryan Race 
   from these genocidal policies, and implementation of alternatives which will 
   assure our Peoples' perpetual survival and continued positive evolution.  
   Part of this goal is to liberate the mind and soul of Americans from the un-
   justified guilt complex instilled by the Establishment's schools and chur-
   ches and perpetuated by the Jewish-controlled media.  This undeserved shame 
   inhibits the lives of its victims, and must be replaced by love for one's 
   Race and Nation.

      The "concern" about "human rights" by the Jewish-controlled media and 
   among most Establishment academicians and politicians is a clever sham de-
   signed to obfuscate, hiding the _real_ causes of oppression and injustice in
   the world.

      The Establishment's fraudulent "United Nations" and other "human rights
   organizations" are mere comforting facades, used as tools both to divert
   attention away from the sinister whims of the World Manipulators and to neu-
   tralize opposition to their "New World Order."  Examination of the record 
   of these "human rights organizations" reveals a very slanted bias toward 
   certain issues and groups serving a _clear political agenda_.  Most obvious 
   is the total lack of genuine censure and _effective_ sanction of Israel's 
   decades of murder and oppression against the indigenous People of Palestine.

      National Socialists believe in _genuine_ human rights for all Peoples.  
   The well-being of the Aryan Race is always our first concern, but as feasi-
   ble, we support and aid other Nations and Races in their efforts to build 
   societies conducive to their happiness and prosperity and appropriate for 
   their unique characters.


Why are you such male chauvinists?

      Despite what Establishment academicians and the Jewish-controlled media 
   insist you believe, male National Socialists consider our racial sisters
   _partners_ in the struggle for racial survival, as activists, warriors, 
   _and_ mothers.

      The Creator intends for women and men to be _complementary_, not contra-
   dictory.  While Marxist and Jewish "Feminists" arrogantly reject women's
   uniqueness, attempting to "liberate" women from their womanhood, National
   Socialists accept the slight differences between men and women as 
   _strengths_, and demand an end to the gynophobia which is a consequence of
   centuries of pervasive Judeo-Christianity.

      _Relative to the era_, National Socialist Germany had the most truly pro-
   gressive attitude toward women's issues, making leaps forward to end the 
   contempt of women emanating from Judeo-Christian tradition.  Adolf Hitler, 
   among his many revolutionary acts, broke the traditions of the highly an-
   drocentric German Armed Forces by awarding heroine test-pilot Hanna Reitsch
   the Iron Cross.  Many capable, talented women, like Realm Women's Leader
   Gertrud Scholtz-Klink, assumed important roles in helping to rebuild German
   society, and later in the defense of Europe, often while tending their fami-
   lies in the face of great adversity.


Just who do you consider "Aryan?"

      National Socialists recognize individuals as biologically Aryan if they 
   are wholly of non-Jewish, non-Asiatic European ancestry, descendants of the 
   autochthonous Peoples of the contemporary states of Austria, Belarus, Bel-
   gium, Britain, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Ger-
   many, Iceland, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, 
   Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and Ukraine.  Many persons 
   of Albanian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Georgian, Greek, Hungarian, Italian, Por-
   tuguese, Romanian, Serbian, and Spanish heritage also qualify as Aryan, 
   their ancestors being pioneers of Aryan communities in those lands.

      In every Aryan, there is an instinctive drive to rise above mediocrity 
   and decadence.  Materialistic "modern living" can suppress or pervert this 
   calling, but nothing can ever fully extinguish this gift from the Creator.  
   The Aryan who begins to feel this energy ceases to wallow in the spiritual 
   wasteland of the Establishment's benighted "religious" seers, and struggles 
   to master his or her own Will, achieve proficiency, alleviate shortcomings, 
   discover wisdom, and while so doing, experiences a "revolution in thought" 
   to attain an unique sense of Being, the _Aryan Consciousness_.  To attain
   the Aryan Consciousness is to fulfill one's Aryan heritage, to complete
   one's "Aryanhood." 

      Many myths about the criteria of "Aryan" have been perpetuated by the 
   Jewish-controlled media and Establishment academia.  An Aryan is not neces-
   sarily blond, blue-eyed, and six-feet tall; the blond Nordic is merely the 
   most notable representative of the Aryan Race because he or she differs 
   most significantly from non-Aryans.  National Socialism did not and does 
   not preach or practice hatred of non-Germanic Aryans, such as French or 
   Slavic Nations.  Adolf Hitler enjoyed the work and friendship of many aides 
   and officers of German citizenship, _but Polish family name and heritage_.  
   Hitler also facilitated the independence of the Slavic Nations of Croatia 
   and Slovakia.  Unfortunately, centuries-old, myopic cultural antipathy 
   between Slavic and Teutonic Nations did, and does manifest itself, oc-
   casionally resulting in misunderstanding and conflict, including the 1939 
   Polish-German War.  


Why do you hate non-Whites?

      National Socialism is based on love of one's own kind and the Creator's 
   benevolent natural Order, _not_ hatred.  National Socialists love their Race 
   above all, and wish to see it thrive and progress.

      Non-Aryans, in particular Jews, regularly engage in activities which in-
   hibit the life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness of Aryans, and sometimes 
   directly harm individuals of our Race.  The effects of these hate-motivated
   activities provoke deep resentment and sometimes defensive hatred in Aryan 
   racialists, occasionally resulting in unfortunate retributory measures 
   against the perpetrator.  Despite this, Aryan racialists strive to avoid 
   conflict with individuals from different racial or ethnic groups, extending 
   due respect to non-Aryans whenever possible.  National Socialists support 
   and often work with racialists of other Races, such as Black Muslims, who 
   wish to see their Peoples thrive and progress, too.

      Because it benefits their self-serving political agenda, the Jewish-con-
   trolled media routinely and deliberately misrepresent the ideas of Aryan 
   racialists, National Socialists in particular, and present the highly mis-
   leading and inaccurate image of the "violent White-supremacist 'neo-Nazi'
   extremist," resulting in the popularly-held myths about the National 
   Socialist Movement.


Why did Hitler murder six million innocent people?

      Contrary to popular belief, no program of genocide against European Jewry 
   existed during World War II.  Unfortunate but understandable deaths re-
   sulted from Allied-inflicted acts of war which crippled the German economy 
   and infrastructure, leading to virtual cut-off of supplies to the concen-
   tration camps and the starvation or death by disease of tens of thousands 
   of inmates.  There simply was no deliberate program of genocide planned and 
   implemented by the German government, nor is there evidence for the exist-
   ence of gas chambers suitable for mass-murder at the camps alleged to be 
   "extermination centers."

      A Myth has been constructed through sophistry from the spurious allega-
   tions and misrepresented facts regarding the Jewish situation during World 
   War II as a weapon of psychological and political extortion and manipulation
   of Western Peoples by Zionists and their Judeophile apologists.

      The "Holocaust" is an "historical fact" so flimsy it must be supported by
   force, legislation being enacted in several "democratic" countries, in-
   cluding France, Germany, and Sweden, making it a _criminal_ offense to ex-
   press doubt in _any_ aspect of its dogmatic "truth."


Aren't you right-wing fascists?

      National Socialists reject the Establishment's misleading left/right pol-
   itical spectrum, and are neither "rightist" nor "leftist," favoring policies
   similar to those put forth by both "liberals" and "conservatives" on many 
   issues.  National Socialism cannot be confined to a philosophical "pigeon-
   hole" because our revolutionary Vision transcends the false stereotypes in-
   herent in the "traditional" political spectrum.

      Fascism is properly the name of the political and social ideology es-
   poused by Italian _Duce_ and Premier Benito Mussolini.  Fascism and National 
   Socialism have many similarities, but are _not_ synonymous.  Fascists be-
   lieve in the supremacy of the State and conformance to a rigid artificial 
   social order, while National Socialism is the manifestation of the Laws of 
   Nature in harmony with the collective spirit of the People, or Folk, who 
   are the highest entity of the Nation, above the State and other man-made 
   institutions.

      The term "fascist" derives from the Latin word _fasces_, the name of the 
   Roman symbol of legitimate authority, a wrapped bundle of rods with a pro-
   jecting axe.  The _fasces_ can be found today in and on many _American_ 
   Federal and State government buildings, and county court houses.  "Fascist" 
   is regularly used by the Jewish-controlled media, Establishment academi-
   cians, and misled Americans as a label intended to be severely derogatory to 
   any opponent of the present System's _illegitimate_ power over the American 
   People.


Hasn't science proven you're full of it?

      Dishonest "scholarship" by the clique of politically-motivated social and
   bio-social scientists has resulted in a body of pseudo-science, its formu-
   lators deliberately omitting "undesirable" facts relating to the strengths
   and shortcomings of each unique human race.  This phony "science" is cited 
   ceaselessly by media liars, hopelessly befuddled "intellectuals," and the
   well-meaning but misled ordinary American.  Equally-qualified and -educated
   scientists have challenged the false premises of the Establishment's Lysen-
   koesque anthropology, and offer a dogma-free alternative which takes into 
   account ignored facts.

      Orthodox social "science," which maintains as a major tenet the _politi-
   cal_ idea of biological racial equality, allegedly justifies today's social 
   policies that have caused great hardship and despair for millions of both 
   Africans and Aryans.  Because the victimization of Aryan and African famil-
   ies _must_ end, National Socialists demand realistic social policy be imple-
   mented as soon as possible to relieve the misery inflicted.

      National Socialists promote the Scientific Enterprise, which is simply 
   the discovery or understanding through free inquiry of the Laws and proces-
   ses of the natural Order, and encourage use of scientific knowledge to bet-
   ter the collective human condition and the lives of individuals.  Scientific
   research flourished in National Socialist Germany, with advances occurring 
   in medicine, psychology, environmental science, engineering, chemistry, and 
   other fields, work by German scientists even leading directly to the suc-
   cess of America's space program and Moon landings.  A National Socialist 
   government will help make American science once again the best in the world.


Shouldn't we save the Earth first?

      National Socialists recognize that to survive, the Aryan Race must have a 
   healthy environment, free of the Life-inhibiting poisons Capitalism has 
   brought upon the world.

      The National Socialist German government promulgated numerous radical 
   Nature conservation programs, including the most progressive and comprehen-
   sive legislation to date, the 1935 _Reichsnaturschutzgesetz_ (Realm Nature 
   Protection Law).

      National Socialism today, in the Aryan tradition of strict reverence for 
   the natural Order and its Life-giving elements, aims to curtail the every-
   where pervasive Nature-destroying consumptionism.  To remedy the environ-
   mental disasters caused by the Capitalists' mad quest for profit, National 
   Socialists advocate implementation of sustainable, organic agriculture, re-
   sponsible methods of resource extraction and use, and reduction and event-
   ual elimination of toxic substances in our nourishment and throughout the 
   environment.  


Why should I support something my grandfather died to destroy?

      It is terribly painful to realize our grandparents' generation was _used_
   by the Roosevelt regime and the shadow string-pullers behind that cabal, 
   but the facts demonstrate that indeed the American People were deceived
   -- abused -- by traitors, to compel them to fight their brothers and sis-
   ters in Germany during World War II.

      Are the American People happier today than before the war?  Are American
   schools better, streets safer, cities more beautiful today than before the
   war?  The American People fought not to save their traditional way of life,
   but to destroy America's potential ally in order to increase the wealth and
   power of the World Manipulators.

      Adolf Hitler sincerely sought alliance with the American and British 
   Peoples, as the record shows, but the criminal Roosevelt and Churchill 
   regimes violently rebuffed his hand of friendship.  Ironically today, it
   is the Vision we share with Hitler that will save the American People from
   the gruesome end gleefully planned for us by the World Manipulators.

      We _cannot_ condemn the millions who fell in the Second World War, Ameri-
   can and German, to a vainful death by refusing to do what is _right_ today 
   because our forebears mistakenly thought it wrong yesterday.


Who are skinheads?

      Skinheads are young Aryan men and women who having been bluntly exposed 
   to the tragic realities of today's "New America," consequently become dis-
   illusioned with the Establishment's "multicultural" deathstyle and turn to 
   racial Idealism as a sounder means of individual and community development.

      Contrary to the image of Skinheads portrayed in the Jewish-controlled 
   media, National Socialist Skinheads possess virtuous character and have re-
   alistic yet positive attitudes about life in today's corrupt society.  

      Skinheads form tight-knit social groups where camaraderie prevails.  They 
   regularly express themselves through powerful, stirring music, poetry, and 
   visual artwork, and celebrate racial kinship with social gatherings amongst 
   comrades.  Skinhead women have an integral part in the struggle for racial 
   survival, earning admiration from their male counterparts.  A broad spec-
   trum of personalities and backgrounds are represented among Skinheads, but 
   their Ideals of Honor and Love for Folk bind them together to courageously 
   confront the crime-infested society we endure and the hoodlums that threat-
   en their communities.

      Most Skinheads are "Generation X" youth who have been betrayed by the el-
   ders obligated to guard their future, but rather than surrender to a bleak 
   fate dished out by the present System, each Skinhead contributes his or her 
   knowledge, talent and skills to _build_ a more promising future for them-
   selves and our Race.


Aren't you tools of the wealthy and powerful?

      National Socialism is the diametric opposite of monopoly Capitalism.  The 
   World Manipulators and other socio-economic elitists have hated and feared 
   National Socialism since its inception, for the National Socialist Vision 
   represents a viable alternative to the Tyranny of Money's inequitable com-
   pensation for productive labor and its criminal usury-debt-based finance 
   system, which oppresses working people of _all_ racial and ethnic back-
   grounds.  Not the Democrats, not the Republicans, not the Marxists, but 
   _only_ National Socialists expose the usury-debt finance racket, vowing to 
   destroy it, replacing its rape of the worker with a more equitable economic 
   system based on _genuine_ wealth and a sound currency. 

      National Socialism is dynamic and progressive, fostering all types of 
   creative work which contribute to the health, happiness, or safety of the 
   Race and Nation, and mandates proper compensation in living wages, prestige,
   and social services for farmers, artisans, and laborers.  A National Social-
   ist government will rigorously sanction with correction or expulsion para-
   sitical elements which selfishly exploit the Nation and refuse to contribute
   for the benefit of the entire Folk community. 

      A National Socialist government will protect the national economy from a
   flood of goods produced through Capitalist exploitation of foreign slave
   labor, guaranteeing American workers a _fair_ trading market.


Will you dare try to legislate morality?

      _All_ governments legislate morality.  That's the purpose of legitimate 
   government, to provide for the order, stability, and justice which guaran-
   tees citizens opportunity for happy, productive lives.  The difference be-
   tween a legitimate government and a dictatorship is not a matter of methods,
   but of _motives_ in legislating and governing the Nation.  A legitimate gov-
   ernment legislates morality -- law -- which benefits the People's livelihood
   and happiness.  An illegitimate government legislates morality that serves 
   special interests, most often a wealthy economic minority, usually leading 
   to spiritual and social sickness for the Nation.

      The Jewish-controlled media and Establishment academicians and politic-
   ians strive to deny the present regime's legislation of _perverse_ morality.
   By deceiving the American People, awareness of the perversity of the legis-
   lated morality is lessened, and opposition to it stifled.

      A National Socialist government will legislate and govern in the best in-
   terests of the American People.  National Socialism will put an end to U.S.
   Government-sponsored pictures of Jesus Christ in urine purported to be
   "art," Establishment-promoted and -defended "rap songs" advocating murder
   of police officers purported to be "music," Establishment-glorified filthy
   acts like anal sex purported to be "constitutional rights," and the domina-
   tion of the American Majority by a bigoted religious minority who places
   a tax on _all_ Americans' food in keeping with their "dietary laws."


Why did Hitler have total gun control?

      Misinformed individuals, deriving their false premises from the Jewish-
   controlled media and Establishment academia, wrongly claim the German People
   were deprived of firearms during the Third Reich.  While it is true the 
   National Socialist German government did enforce many firearms regulations, 
   the Hitler Administration in fact moderated the _more_ strict gun control 
   regulations of the "democratic" Weimar Republic, and encouraged ordinary 
   German citizens to obtain firearms.

      National Socialists support the inalienable right to individual and col-
   lective self-defense, against both ordinary thugs and corrupt regimes that 
   operate against the well-being of the Nation.  Therefore, National Social-
   ists support the right to possess, and use whenever necessary, _effective_ 
   firearms and proper ammunition, free of the unreasonable regulations and 
   taxes intended to deprive the citizenry of self-defense weapons.


Who are these "World Manipulators?"

      The World Manipulators are an international network of highly resourceful 
   fanatics who believe it their rightful destiny to be Lords of the Earth.  
   This network of organized crime has become a de facto, quasi-secret "super-
   government," exercising near absolute power over the world's banking sys-
   tem, and tremendous influence over the world's mass media and most of the 
   world's ostensibly legitimate governments.

      Jews, members of a People who have chosen themselves to rule the World, 
   comprise a majority of the World Manipulators, with substantial numbers of
   Aryans and Asians intoxicated with Judaic thought also participating in this
   obscene racket.

      Through their masterfully managed mass media, and with the aid of their
   apologists and "true-believers" in the Establishment's "Ivory Towers" of
   Ignorance, the World Manipulators have created a spectrum of "permissible" 
   thought, not unlike the "goodthink" in Orwell's dark world of _1984_, which 
   "right thinking" people are expected to adhere to, with admonishment or 
   even criminal punishment for transgressors.  Obviously, National Socialism 
   lies outside this "politically correct" spectrum of "permissible" thought.

      The World Manipulators recognize strong, healthy, free Nations and Races 
   are unbreachable obstacles to their insane lust for _unlimited_ power and 
   wealth, and seek to enslave or obliterate through concocted "no-win" wars,
   planned economic calamity, and crazy but calculated social policy _all_ 
   Nations and Races, _especially_ the Aryan Race.


What is "ZOG?"

      "ZOG," an acronym for _Zionist Occupation Government_, is a popular eu-
   phemism for the alien anti-Americans, the Washington Criminals, and their 
   willing collaborators within Federal, State, and local government agencies 
   that dictate directives to the American People and force our compliance.

      The Zionist Occupational Government is an entity under the hegemony of 
   the World Manipulators who stealthily coordinate the policies of the several
   occupation governments wielding power over the Aryan Nations to provide an 
   uniform tyranny as well as an united front of the "international community" 
   against any potential threat.  ZOG is an "occupation government" because it 
   is commanded by infiltrators _from a foreign power_ who gained entry to the 
   United States for the purpose of sabotage of America's legitimate authority,
   armed forces, and economy leading to our unavoidable capitulation as a sov-
   ereign Nation.  ZOG is "Zionist" because it aims toward fulfillment of a
   Jewish dream based on ancient myth that Jerusalem would one day be Capital
   of the World, issuing commands to all Nations of the _Goyim_ (an usually 
   derogatory Yiddish term for "the Gentiles").


What do you call your party?

      Because today's political scene has changed phenomenally since the days 
   of Hitler's _National Socialist German Workers' Party_, the American Nation-
   al Socialist Movement of 1995 is multi-faceted, with a diversity of tactical 
   and logistical approaches to achieve our goals.

      Since the World Manipulators have a "golden grip" on the political sys-
   tems of Western Nations, National Socialists have little chance of imple-
   menting our program of national renaissance through conventional means.  At 
   the present time, National Socialists have focused exclusively on education 
   of their fellow Americans and preparation for inevitable eventualities such 
   as chronic economic distress and the consequent social disruption and chaos.
   The premiere National Socialist organization, _the National Alliance_, of-
   fers members the opportunity to coordinate their efforts and network with 
   other Americans to help free our Nation and secure a future for today's -- 
   and tomorrow's -- children.  Other organizations and groups provide special-
   ized services, such as Aryan religious/spiritual or cultural/artistic en-
   lightenment and development, which are indispensible for every National 
   Socialist and their family.

      The time for direct action has not yet arrived, and each individual Na-
   tional Socialist must practice stoic restraint until that time does arrive.

      A National Socialist is defined by inner substance, not by outer appear-
   ance.  Attention-desperate clowns dressed in Hollywood "Nazi" costumes par-
   ading around with German flags in childish imitation of a past era who can-
   not offer a coherent expression of the National Socialist Vision -- favorite
   spectacles for Jewish-controlled television -- are _not_ National Social-
   ists.


What does National Socialism offer me, the ordinary American?

      National Socialism means the opportunity of a happier, more fulfilling 
   life for the ordinary American working man and woman.

      A National Socialist government will work _for_ you and your best inter-
   ests, using your hard-earned tax dollars for the benefit of _your_ People's 
   well-being, _not_ for "foreign aid" parasites like Israel.

      National Socialism means that the American worker's productivity -- his 
   or her hard work -- will work _not_ for international bankers, millionaire 
   Capitalist racketeers, and their politician-stooges, but to build a better 
   today for American families and an even brighter tomorrow for Aryan 
   children.

      National Socialists support: 

      - opportunities for all to have a rewarding, productive career, suited to
        individual ability, talent, and needs.

      - affordable opportunities for all families to _truly own_ a home or a 
        food-and fiber-producing homestead.

      - opportunities for creative entrepreneurs to establish or sustain pro-
        ductive businesses supporting their families and the national economy, 
        free from the crippling taxes, usury-bondage, and corrupt anti-entre-
        preneur tactics of today's monopoly Capitalist system. 

      - physical and spiritual health maintenance programs for all ages, empha-
        sizing holistic nutrition and fitness awareness.

      - free, comprehensive medical services for all, with special concern for 
        children, mothers, and the aged.  

      - free, universal quality education, primary through university level,
        stressing excellence, practical knowledge, and love of wisdom.

      - enjoyable leisure and social activities for workers inside and outside 
        the workplace, including family vacations, participant sports, and Na-
        ture appreciation activities.

      - replacement of Establishment-directed soul-destroying mindless "enter-
        tainment" and degenerate "art" with government-supported programs em-
        powering all to express themselves in spiritually-healthy music and 
        literature, graphic, plastic, and performing arts, and other culture-
        forms.

      - replacement of the Establishment's mechanistic, inorganic, money-driven 
        law code with a People's Law system upholding the principle of justice 
        for individuals regardless of wealth, gender, or age.

      Question not _how_ National Socialism will build a better life, but _how 
   it can once again_.


How can I help?

      Collecting Third Reich memorabilia is a hobby, not activism.  Discussing
   today's problems while not working for the solution is whining, not activ-
   ism.  Painting swastikas and screaming racial slurs is juvenile stupidity, 
   not activism.

      Activism means commitment.  Activism means you dedicate yourself to the
   cause of Aryan survival, and work daily for its realization.  Activism means
   you think, act, and look like an Aryan.  "Thinking like an Aryan" means con-
   stantly having thoughts constructive and beneficial for oneself and our 
   Race.  "Acting like an Aryan" means upholding Honor in all you do, working 
   for the best interests of the Aryan Race, and _never_ doing anything sense- 
   lessly harmful to oneself or our Race.  "Looking like an Aryan" means pre-
   senting oneself in a respectable manner at all times, with cleanliness and 
   sobriety.  Therefore, drug addicts, alcoholics, sexual deviants/perverts, 
   "thrill-seekers," Charlie Manson fanatics, and the mentally and morally un-
   stable are not welcome in the National Socialist Movement.

      Begin by contacting the organizations below, in particular, the National 
   Alliance.  Read and deeply ponder the ideas and information in the works of-
   fered by Aryan booksellers, and in the following bibliography.  Most import-
   antly, TELL OTHERS about the Good News of National Socialism.  As your 
   knowledge, ability, and means permit, organize appropriate activities for 
   your own community.

      The Aryan Race is backed against the wall.  There is no time to fear for 
   one's comfort.  YOU would see the death of the Aryan Race and _all_ you 
   value, were we to fail in this greatest endeavor of all time.  We have but 
   one option, and that is _forward_.  The alternative is for Aryan men to 
   serve the "New World Order" on their knees, and for Aryan women to serve on 
   their backs.

      YOUR efforts, no matter how small or great, in concert with those of your 
   racial brothers and sisters across this Nation and around the world shall 
   result in 

      The Triumph of the Aryan Will.


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BIBLIOGRAPHY of informative works on National Socialism and National Socialist
Germany


Works by National Socialists:


Bauer, Wilhelm.  _German Economic Policy_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1939.

Bouhler, Philipp.  _Adolf Hitler: A Short Sketch of His Life_.  Berlin: 
   Terramare Office, 1938.

Degrelle, Leon.  _Campaign in Russia: The Waffen-SS on the Eastern Front_.
   Torrance, CA: Institute for Historical Review, 1985.

Dietrich, Otto.  _A Revolution in Thought_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1939.

_____.  _The Spiritual Foundations of the New Europe_.  Berlin: Terramare 
   Office, 1941.

_Documents on the Events Preceding the Outbreak of the War_.  New York: German 
   Library of Information, 1940.

Dorn, Karl.  _Werkstoffe: Miracles of German Chemistry_.  New York: German
   Library of Information, 1941.

Ebner, Adalbert.  _German Forests: Treasures of A Nation_.  New York: German 
   Library of Information, 1940.

Edel, Fritz.  _German Labour Service_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1937.

Ehrt, Adolf.  _Communism in Germany: The Truth about the Communist Conspiracy
   on the Eve of the National Revolution_.  Berlin: General League of Anti-
   Communist Associations, 1933.

_Exchange of Communications Between the President of the United States and the
   Chancellor of the German Reich, April 1939_.  New York: German Library of
   Information, 1939.

Feder, Gottfried.  _Hitler's Official Programme and Its Fundamental Ideas_.
   London: George Allen & Unwin, 1934.

Frercks, Rudolf.  _German Population Policy_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Frisch, Hermann.  _The Second Hunger Blockade_.  New York: German Library of
   Information, 1941.

Funk, Walther.  _The Economic Future of Europe_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 
   1940.

_German White Book: Documents Concerning the Last Phase of the German-Polish 
   Crisis_.  New York: German Library of Information, 1939.

_German Youth in a Changing World_.  Fourth Edition.  Berlin: Terramare Office,
   1936.

_Germany: Facts and Figures_.  New York: German Library of Information, 1941.

_Germany Speaks_.  London: Butterworth, 1938.

Goring, Hermann.  _The Political Testament of Hermann Goring: A Selection of
   Important Speeches and Articles_.  Edited and translated by H.W. Blood-Ryan.
   London: John Long, 1939.

Grimm, Friedrich.  _The Significance of This War_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 
   1940.

_____.   _Versailles in Liquidation_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Gritzbach, Erich.  _Hermann Goring: The Man and His Work_.  London: Hurst & 
   Blackett, 1939.

Heinz, Heinz A.  _Germany's Hitler_.  London: Hurst & Blackett, 1934.

Hitler, Adolf.  _Address Before the German Reichstag By Chancellor Adolf
   Hitler, Berlin, January 30, 1934_.  Berlin: Reichsdruckerei, 1934.

_____.  _Adolf Hitler From Speeches, 1933-1938_.  Edited by Richard Monnig.  
   Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

_____.  _Germany Declares for Peace: Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler Addressing the
   German Nation on October 14, 1933_.  Berlin: Liebheit & Thiesen, 1933.

_____.  _Mein Kampf_.  Translated by Ralph Manheim.  Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 
   1971.

_____.  _Mein Kampf_.  Translated by James Murphy.  London: Hurst & Blackett,
   1939.

_____.  _The New Germany Desires Work and Peace: Speeches By Reich Chancellor
   Adolf Hitler, the Leader of the New Germany_.  Berlin: Liebheit & Thiesen,
   1933.

_____.  _On National Socialism and World Relations: Speech Delivered in the 
   German Reichstag on January 30th, 1937_.  Berlin: Mueller, 1937.

Kaiser, Fritz.  "Entartete 'Kunst' Austellungsfuhrer" [Degenerate "Art" 
   Exhibition Guide], translated by David Britt, in _"Degenerate Art": The 
   Fate of the Avant-Garde in Nazi Germany_, pp. 356-390.  Edited by Stephanie 
   Barron.  Los Angeles: Los Angeles County Museum of Art/New York: Abrams, 
   1991. 

Lammers, H.H.  _Political Leadership in the Third Reich_.  New York: German 
   Library of Information, 1939.

Laurie, A.P.  _The Case for Germany: A Study of Modern Germany_.  Berlin:
   Internationaler Verlag, 1939.

Lindbergh, Charles A.  "Aviation, Geography, and Race," in _Reader's Digest_,
   volume 35, #211 (November 1939), pp. 64-67.

_A Nation Builds: Contemporary German Architecture_.  New York: German Library
   of Information, 1940.

_Polish Acts of Atrocity Against the German Minority in Poland_.  Second Edi-
   tion.  Edited by Hans Schadewaldt.  New York: German Library of Information,
   1940.

Reher, Werner.  _Social Welfare in Gemany_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1938.

Reitsch, Hanna.  _Flying is My Life_.  Translated by Lawrence Wilson.  New 
   York: Putnam, 1954.

Rittich, Werner.  _New German Architecture_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1941.

Rosenberg, Alfred.  _The Myth of the Twentieth Century: An Evaluation of the 
   Spiritual-Intellectual Confrontations of Our Time_.  Translated by Vivian 
   Bird.  Costa Mesa, CA: Noontide Press, 1993.

_____.  _Race and Race History, and Other Essays_.  Edited by Robert Pois.  New
   York: Harper & Row, 1971.

Sadila-Mantau, Hans Heinz.  _German Political Profiles_.  Berlin: Terramare 
   Office, 1938.

Schinnerer, Erich.  _German Law and Legislation_.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 
   1938.

Thomalia, C.  "The Sterilization Law in Germany," in _Eugenical News_, volume
   19, #6 (November-December 1934), pp. 137-141.

_The War in Maps 1939/40_.  Edited by Giselher Wirsing.  New York: German
   Library of Information, 1941.

_Wenn alle Bruder schweigen: Grosser Bildband uber die Waffen-SS/When All
   Our Brothers Are Silent: The Book of Photographs of the Waffen-SS_.
   Third Revised Edition [German and English text].  Osnabruck, Germany:
   Munin, 1981.

Wilhelm, Theodor, and Gerhard Graefe.  _German Education Today_.  Second Edi-
   tion.  Berlin: Terramare Office, 1937.


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National Socialist Motion Pictures on videocassette:


_Assorted Nazi Political Films_  (1932-1943).  Videorecording; Chicago:
   International Historic Films, 1985.

_Der ewige Jude_ [The Eternal Jew]  (Fritz Hippler, 1940).  Videorecording; 
   Chico, CA: Tamarelle, 1985.

_Hitlerjunge Quex_ [Hitler Youth Quex]  (Hans Steinhoff, 1933).  Videore-
   cording; Chicago: International Historic Films, 1984.

_Jud Suss_ [The Jew Suess]  (Veit Harlan, 1940).  Videorecording; Chicago: 
   International Historic Films, 1984.

_Olympia_  [in two parts]  (Leni Riefenstahl, 1938).  Videorecording; Los 
   Angeles: Embassy Home Entertainment, 1984.  Part 1: Fest der Volker [Fest-
   ival of the Nations]; Part 2: Fest der Schonheit [Festival of Beauty].

_Triumph des Willens: Das Dokument vom Reichsparteitag 1934_ [Triumph of the 
   Will: The Documentary of the 1934 Realm Party Congress]  (Leni Riefenstahl, 
   1935).   Videorecording; Chicago: International Historic Films, 1985, or Los 
   Angeles: Embassy Home Entertainment, 1986.


                              ---------------


Contemporary National Socialist Fiction:


Macdonald, Andrew (pseudonym).  _Hunter_.  Hillsboro, WV: National Vanguard 
   Books, 1989.

_____.  _The Turner Diaries_.  Second Edition.  Hillsboro, WV:  National Van-
   guard Books, 1988.


                       ------------------------------


Supplementary works --


*  While surveying the following works, please keep in mind that nearly     *
*  all contain Establishment-mandated anti-National Socialist cliches and   *
*  misleading, misrepresented, or patently false data.  In addition, a ma-  *
*  jority of the authors have varying degrees of anti-National Socialist    *
*  bias, most commonly related to a pro-Establishment political agenda.     *

*  May the reader be enlightened by these works, while recognizing and      *
*  overcoming their subjectivity and error.                                 *


Adam, Peter.  _Art of the Third Reich_.  New York: Abrams, 1992.

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Beyerchen, Alan D.  _Scientists Under Hitler: Politics and the Physics 
   Community in the Third Reich_.  New Haven, CT: Yale University Press, 1977.

Black, Edwin.  _The Transfer Agreement: The Untold Story of the Secret Agree-
   ment Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine_.  New York: Macmillan, 
   1984.

Boas, Jacob.  "A Nazi Travels to Palestine," in _History Today_, volume 30
   (January 1980), pp. 33-38.

Bolitho, Gordon.  _The Other Germany_.  London: Lovat Dickson, 1934.

Bramwell, Anna C.  _Blood and Soil: Walther Darre and Hitler's "Green Party"_.
   Abbotsbrook, Buckinghamshire, UK: Kensal Press, 1985.

_____.  _Ecology in the Twentieth Century: A History_.  New Haven, CT: Yale 
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_____.  "Was This Man 'Father of the Greens?'," in _History Today_, volume 34 
   (September 1984), pp. 7-13.

Campbell, C.G.  "The German Racial Policy," in _Eugenical News_, volume 21, #2
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Combs, William L.  _The Voice of the SS: A History of the SS Journal "Das
   Schwarze Korps"_.  New York: Lang, 1986.

Cunningham, Charles.  _Germany Today & Tomorrow_.  London: Unicorn Press, 1936.

De Zayas, Alfred M., with Walter Rabus.  _The Wehrmacht War Crimes Bureau, 
   1939-1945_.  Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1989.  

_"Degenerate Art": The Fate of the Avant-Garde in Nazi Germany_.  Edited by 
   Stephanie Barron.  Los Angeles: Los Angeles County Museum of Art/New York: 
   Abrams, 1991.

Dominick, Raymond H., III.  "The Nazis and the Nature Conservationists," in
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   Stewart Chamberlain_.  New York: Columbia University Press, 1981.

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Goggin, Mary-Margaret.  "'Decent' vs. 'Degenerate' Art: The National Socialist
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Greenwood, Harry Powys.  _The German Revolution_.  London: Routledge, 1934.

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   Socialism_.  Translated by Paul Levesque and Stefan Soldovieri.  Blooming-
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Herzstein, Robert E.  _The War That Hitler Won: The Most Infamous Propaganda
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_____.  _Hess: The Missing Years 1941-1945_.  London: Macmillan, 1987.

_____.  _Hitler's War_.  New York: Viking, 1977.  **

_____.  _The War Path: Hitler's Germany 1933-1939_.  New York: Viking, 1978.

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_____.  "Folklore As A Political Tool in Nazi Germany," in _Journal of American
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_____.  "Folktale and Ideology in the Third Reich," in _Journal of American
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   2: Belgium, Great Britain, Holland, Italy, and Spain; Volume 3: Albania,
   Czechoslovakia, Greece, Hungary, and Yugoslavia; Volume 4: Poland, the 
   Ukraine, Bulgaria, Romania, Free India, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland,
   and Russia.

_____.  _The Patriotic Traitors: The History of Collaboration in German-
   Occupied Europe, 1940-1945_.  Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1972.

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_____.  _The Nationalization of the Masses: Political Symbolism and Mass Move-
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_Nazi Culture: Intellectual, Cultural, and Social Life in the Third Reich_.
   Edited by George L. Mosse.  Translated by Salvator Attanasio, et.al.  New 
   York: Grosset & Dunlap, 1966.   

_Nazi Ideology Before 1933: A Documentation_.  Edited and translated by Barbara
   Miller Lane and Leila J. Rupp.  Austin: University of Texas Press, 1978.

_The Nazification of an Academic Discipline: Folklore in the Third Reich_.
   Edited and translated by James R. Dow and Hannjost Lixfeld.  Bloomington:
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Nelson, Walter Henry.  _Small Wonder: The Amazing Story of the Volkswagen_.
   Revised Edition.  Boston: Little, Brown, 1967.

Nicosia, Francis R.  _The Third Reich and the Palestine Question_.  Austin:
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   1939-1945_.  Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1978.

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_Science, Technology and National Socialism_.  Edited by Monika Renneberg and
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_Ibid_.  Volume 3, "Finland," pp. 212-213, 231-232.

_Ibid_.  "France,"  pp. 246-247, 305-307, 318.

_Ibid_.  "Germany," pp. 419-421, 453-458, 466-467.

_Ibid_.  "Hungary," pp. 666-667, 716-718.

_Ibid_.  "Italy," pp. 890-894, 928-932, 935-936.

_Ibid_.  Volume 4, "Norway," pp. 674, 688-690.

_Ibid_.  "Poland," pp. 903-905.

_Ibid_.  Volume 5, "Romania," pp. 8-9, 61-64, 73, 75.

_Ibid_.  "Slovakia," pp. 372-373, 375-376.

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_____.  _Public Libraries in Nazi Germany_.  Tuscaloosa: University of Alabama 
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   1962.

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** A new edition has been issued by Focal Point Publications of London, which
   includes both _Hitler's War_ and _The War Path_, revised in accordance with 
   new data and the author's dismissal of the Holocaust Myth.

Please note:  To facilitate library catalog searches, umlauts have purposely 
              not been anglicized.


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"The fate of every last White man, woman, and child on this planet lies
squarely on the shoulders of us here today.  Out of all the White
racialist organizations in the Nation, the [National] Alliance, and only
the Alliance has the potential to bring us to victory!"  -- Bob Mathews



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Jason Silverman (jsilver@orion.it.luc.edu) writes:
> In article <4lq4h1$p4@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Andrew Rugg (andyr@sisna.com) writes:
>> 
>> (snip)
>> 
>> >       Do any of you people know any real Jews?  Once, I met an Ethopian Jew.
>> > He was black.  Every other Jew I ever met was WHITE.
>> 
>> Ah, so you're confusing appearance with inner essence.  Not surprising,
>> really.
> 
> ???  Inner essence?  Only morons and medieval scholastic philosophers
> attempt to determine the qualities of something that is not only
> intangible, but might not even exist.  

Non sequiter.  Just because something is intangible, it does NOT follow
that it "might not even exist".
 
(snip)

>> Any form of unity among the Gentiles is _streng verbotten_ to the
>> Self-Chosen.  Fractured and arguing amongst ourselves, we are much easier
>> prey for them.
> 
> Since you're into these bizarre essentialist arguments, might I infer that
> you are saying that it is of the essence of Gentiles to be divided and
> submissive to Jews (a claim that is clearly false)?  See, you can't say
> that Jews have a certain essence that is reflected in your perception of
> them, yet not say that the actions or state of Gentiles does not reflect
> such an essence.  

Actually, Jason, I AM rather alarmed at the relative ease with which jews
have managed to trick their way into dominance over the much larger
Gentile, and particularly Aryan, population.  There is a fatal flaw in the
Aryan character which the jews have exploited well to their own advantage,
this I won't deny.  But, it does not follow that I have to be HAPPY about
it, or not wish to see it changed.

Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lrm71$foq@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>> Great Zimbabwe.  Pretty impressive structure for a group incapable of 
>>> developing anything beyond a stone axe for themselves.
> 
>>*sigh*
> 
>>Ever SEEN the Zimbabwe ruins?  They're hardly the remnants of a "great
>>civilization"; rather, they're an Arab trading post.  Negroes were use, as
>>always, as slave labour, or at best, mercenaries.
> 
> Really?  So the Arabs go into the middle of nowhere, away from the coast 
> where trading would have taken place, 

Mineral welath in the soil.  Ever hear of gold, diamonds, etc...?

> and build a structure that looks nothing like typical Arabic buildings, 

The reason that the structures in Zimbabwe look "nothing like typical
Arabic buildings" is that they were built, by and large, with negro
construction.  Even with Arabic direction, there is only so much the
negroes could have accomplished.  This phenomenon of native incompetence
in construction was remarked upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to
the structures in India, and comparing them with what was done in England.

Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4ls07m$ild@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bb748@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Milton Kleim) writes:
> 
>>>> > Oh my!  "Promoting abortion among Aryans" is a crime, one punishable by
>>>> > death?  That's funny, I could _swear_ this was the same Mr. Kleim who
>>>> > gets all righteous about freedom of speech. 
> 
>>>> I wasn't referring to disseminating KNOWLEDGE about abortion, but
>>>> about engaging in activities CALCULATED to encourage abortion among
>>>> high-quality Aryan women.
> 
>>> You make my point for me.
> 
>>No, imbecile, I don't.  Promoting a crime is not "freedom of speech."
> 
> Oh goody.  Then you will, of course, cease posting on usenet since Holocaust 
> denial is a crime in Germany and other European countries and by talking 
> about it like it was a good thing, you are promoting it.

No, dummy.  Milton was talking about REAL crimes, not the trumped-up
bullshit "hate crimes" that can be committed in a thought-police state
like Germany, or Canada.
 
> And before Giwer or Moran jump in, no, I do not agree with those laws.  But 
> Miltie did not specify, so it must be assumed that he meant any law legally 
> brought into effect by a government.

Milton didn't think that the interpretation of his comments would be done
by such a total ass like yourself.  Face it, Keith, you haven't a leg to
stand on, so you have to play word-games to make any points.

Les


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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear!" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4lrm1o$fns@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Rich Graves (rich@c2.org) writes:
>> > I don't think Mappelthorpe is getting much from the government now.
>> 
>> He should have NEVER gotten ANYTHING from the government, except maybe an
>> arrest warrant.
> 
> Okeydokie, Mr. Art Critic and Government Watchdog-
> 
> Explain to us, given government art funding guidelines at the time, why
> Mapplethorpe (whom I personally think was one strange puppy and "had some
> issues") shouldn't have "gotten anything from the government".

Because he was a sick fuck.  You don't need "government art funding
guidelines" to be able to determine that.
 
> And BTW, which government are you talking about? Could this possibly fit
> under your own, most eloquently stated "none of your fucking business"
> category?

As I already stated, I wasn't sure about Mapplethorpe.  I stated that the
NEA had granted Ceranos some moola so he could "produce" _Piss Christ_,
and that I was unsure as to who had funded Mapplethorpe.  But since you
think so highly of him, perhaps YOU'D know?

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Mike Curtis (mcurtis@eden.com) writes:

(snip)

> [the rest of the nonsense is negated by the actual meaning of Aryan
> which this Griswold guy doesn't seem to know yet. Remember he's been
> told about 6 times by me. 

Liberal "We Are The World" bullshit doesn't count.  You arrogant pricks
come on here with this sort of crap (ie, quotes from the "ex neo-Nazi",
Ingo Hasselbach), and then you wonder why no-one takes you seriously?

Les




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Subject: Re: Negroes aren't primitive? Certainly less so than Paul Whitehouse
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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lq624$1dl@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>> BTW, what do you consider the more "civilized" form of brutality - single 
>>> hand to hand, or the indiscriminate artillery barrage? 
>> 
>>This is the same sort of mind-set that praises the "noble savage" for
>>being so in-tune with his environment, not abusing it with pollutants like
>>the evil White man.  Fact is, Whitehorse, that negroes are INCAPABLE of
>>developing artillery (or anything beyond a stone axe) on their own.  Don't
>>confuse their inability to grasp anything beyond Neolitic technology with
>>higher morals.
>  
> Great Zimbabwe.  Pretty impressive structure for a group incapable of 
> developing anything beyond a stone axe for themselves.

*sigh*

Ever SEEN the Zimbabwe ruins?  They're hardly the remnants of a "great
civilization"; rather, they're an Arab trading post.  Negroes were use, as
always, as slave labour, or at best, mercenaries.

Les



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Subject: Re: Arab entrepreneurs (was: Negroes aren't primitive?)
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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4ltmms$38p@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>> and build a structure that looks nothing like typical Arabic buildings, 
> 
>>The reason that the structures in Zimbabwe look "nothing like typical
>>Arabic buildings" is that they were built, by and large, with negro
>>construction.  Even with Arabic direction, there is only so much the
>>negroes could have accomplished.  This phenomenon of native incompetence
>>in construction was remarked upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to
>>the structures in India, and comparing them with what was done in England.
> 
> "Native incompetance in construction" in India, hmm?
> 
> Who built the Taj Mahal, Griswold?  The Greeks?

So, Keith, mind explaining to me when the Taj Mahal became the Zimbabwe ruins?

Les




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Subject: Re: Genital Exam of 59 12 Yr. old Girls by GOALS 2000-->>
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <4lrrbp$2j1@nntp1.best.com>
>            jdulaney@nntp.best.com "John Dulaney" writes:
> 
>>         Scranton, PA (I believe) as heard tonight on Michael Reagan.
>>         The effects of GOALS 2000:
>> 
>>         59 12-year-old (6th grader) school girls forced to strip nude and
>> undergo genital exams by school officials against their will, without
>> notification to or authorization by parents. 
>>         They were examined for diseases and potential parental abuse.
>>         A fishing expedition to arrest white males?
>> 
>>         Many girls had already had physical exams by their own doctors.
>>         The school claimed they had lost those reports.
>> 
>>         Many children broke into tears and begged to call their mothers but
>> were refused and forced to undergo the exam against their will.
>> 
>>         Outraged parents called police who refused to interview a single
>> child and quickly closed the case.
>>         (See below for an URL reference address on this story.)
>>         What madness is this?
>>         

(snip - about the GOALS 2000 program)

> You sound a bit paranoid.

Spoken like a true liberal, Pizza-Dude.  Since when does "paranoid" mean
"wrong"?

Remember, Caesar, that everyone eventually dies, cowards as well as the
courageous, but the cowards usually do so after a protracted period of begging 
and snivelling.

Les




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Andy "Panda" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4lk58j$5hj@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :On a recent radio interview on KERA-FM (Madison, Wisconsin), Kinky
>   :Friedman, the "Texas Jewboy", told the deejay that his personal goals were
>   :"to be fat, famous and financially fixed, and a faggot by 51."
>   :
>   :And Andy "Panda" Walton ADMIRES this thing!
> 
> Fuckin' A right, Bubba. Not that I expected anything resembling wit to
> make a dent in your cast-iron skull. (Andy-panda? Most people I knew tired
> of that one by the third grade.)

So, since when is joking about a dear, sweet minority ("faggots" ARE so
oppressed, you know) considered "wit"?  Is that the only way a jew can
make a joke?

Les





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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> Actually, Leslie, the men were/are both American, both had NEA grants,
> but pursuant to the former point, this clearly falls under the "stay
> the f**k outta it" category.

(Andrew is referring to Andres Serano and Robert Mapplethorpe, two
"artists")

So what, Mathis?  Any wetback who can cross the Rio Grande, or elsewhere
slip through the border and evade the INS until the next amnesty is
"American", too.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: War of Races?  How can we prevent this?
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BlakPower (blakpower@aol.com) writes:
> If Blacks could be docile and submissive self-sacrificing, why would there
> be a race war?  If blacks accepted second class citizenship, why would
> there be a race war?  White America (in general) would be content with the
> status quo (no more moving out to the white suburbs!) and no more messy
> discussions about that silly "race thing".
> 
> But if a Black man has self-respect and self-love, and he walks into a
> white neighborhood, he may not appreciate the stares.  He may not
> appreciate being told how a good black should act.  He may not like a
> white person telling him that they'd like him more if he'd act the way
> they want him to act.  He may rebel against being taught to be their idea
> of a good Negro.

Unfortunately for you pithecines, our idea of a good negro is pretty much
universal.  
 
> Will there be a race riot if he tells them to kiss his ass?  Will he be
> accused of starting racial tension?  Is this the racial tension in white
> America?

That's what it comes down to:  be a "good" negro (eg, kiss Whitey's ass), or
be a loyal negro (eg, a hell-raiser.)  In the simplicity of what passes
for your minds, you think that acting like spoiled children is the better
course?

Les




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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:

Wobbie:
>> > Okeydokie, Mr. Art Critic and Government Watchdog-
>> > 
>> > Explain to us, given government art funding guidelines at the time, why
>> > Mapplethorpe (whom I personally think was one strange puppy and "had some
>> > issues") shouldn't have "gotten anything from the government".

Moi:
>> Because he was a sick fuck.  You don't need "government art funding
>> guidelines" to be able to determine that.
> 
> Les, listen carefully. Government (and that's most any goverment) programs
> which distribute funds to private interests use guidelines to determine
> eligibility for said funds. That's why they're called "Funding
> Guidelines". Or, to put it more simply for ya-"Rules For Getting The
> Money". The guidelines exist to ensure that the funds are dispursed as
> intended. They are neither designed nor intended to determine
> phychological status. those are called "Psychological Tests".

Wobbie, that's totally irrelevant.  How stupid would a government
department, ANY government department, have to be to grant one penny to
sick fucks like Ceranos or Mapplethorpe?  By contrast, it doesn't take a
C.J. Jung to see that guys who like pissing in jars with crucifixes, or
stuffing bullwhips up the ass, are sickos who aren't producing art, but
trying to shock people.

> You must not get out much.

Why?  Because I don't share your definition of "art"?
   
>> > And BTW, which government are you talking about? Could this possibly fit
>> > under your own, most eloquently stated "none of your fucking business"
>> > category?
>> 
>> As I already stated, I wasn't sure about Mapplethorpe.  I stated that the
>> NEA had granted Ceranos some moola so he could "produce" _Piss Christ_,
>> and that I was unsure as to who had funded Mapplethorpe.  But since you
>> think so highly of him, perhaps YOU'D know?
> 
> First, you neglected to delete the part of my original post that explains
> that I don't think highly of him at all. You must be slipping, Big Fella!
> 
> Second, it was youyouyou who said "he shouldn't have gotten anything from
> the government". I don't know if he got federal funds or not. But if he
> did, what's it to you, Molsenbreath?

*sigh*

Yet again, it's because he's a sick fuck.

Are you archiving this to turn it over to him for a libel suit, or are
you just stupid?

Les




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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:

(snipola grande)

Rob "I'm not pussywhipped, and Jeannie says so!" Kowalewski has a rather
interesting sig, a quote from good ol' Woodie Guthrie:

> You know it's through this world I've rambled
> I've seen lots of funny men.
> Some will rob you with a six-gun
> And some with a fountain pen.
> But it's through your life you ramble
> And it's through your life you roam
> You won't ever see an outlaw 
> Drive a family from their home.
> -Woody Guthrie

Obviously, Robbie's never heard of foreclosure.

Les




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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4lrlsk$fn3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :No, I have maintained that Egyptians were not negroes at any time that
>   :they contributed anything of worth.
> 
> So they stepped into Calvin's transmogrifier, became white, built the
> pyramids and invented heiroglyphics, and then turned black again just in
> time to breed with the Jews. Ingenious.
 
You'll notice the ingenious semantics here:  Andy-Panda equates BUILDING
the pyramids with DESIGNING them.  By that logic, horses and oxen are
responsible for agriculture, since they're the ones that pull the plow
through the fields.

Andy-Panda, the only negro dynasty was the Nubian Dynasty, which reigned
>from  approximately 750 B.C. to 650 B.C.  The pyramids, by contrast, were
built in the third MILLENIUM B.C., and hieroglyphics were also around for
a LONG time by the time the Nubian Dynasty (mis)ruled Egypt.  Not being a
linguist, I don't know the exact dates for the development of language in
Egypt, but if modern-day negro "contributions" to English are anything to
go by, they didn't have a whole hell of a lot of positive input into
hieroglyphics.
 
Les
> 




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Apr 28 12:22:55 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy "Panda" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4lk58j$5hj@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :On a recent radio interview on KERA-FM (Madison, Wisconsin), Kinky
>   :Friedman, the "Texas Jewboy", told the deejay that his personal goals were
>   :"to be fat, famous and financially fixed, and a faggot by 51."
>   :
>   :And Andy "Panda" Walton ADMIRES this thing!
> 
> Fuckin' A right, Bubba. Not that I expected anything resembling wit to
> make a dent in your cast-iron skull. (Andy-panda? Most people I knew tired
> of that one by the third grade.)

So, since when is joking about a dear, sweet minority ("faggots" ARE so
oppressed, you know) considered "wit"?  Is that the only way a jew can
make a joke?

Les





From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Apr 28 12:22:57 PDT 1996
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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> Actually, Leslie, the men were/are both American, both had NEA grants,
> but pursuant to the former point, this clearly falls under the "stay
> the f**k outta it" category.

(Andrew is referring to Andres Serano and Robert Mapplethorpe, two
"artists")

So what, Mathis?  Any wetback who can cross the Rio Grande, or elsewhere
slip through the border and evade the INS until the next amnesty is
"American", too.

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Apr 28 12:22:59 PDT 1996
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Subject: Re: I may not be able to define art, but I know it when I see it! (was: If...)
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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:

Wobbie:
>> > Okeydokie, Mr. Art Critic and Government Watchdog-
>> > 
>> > Explain to us, given government art funding guidelines at the time, why
>> > Mapplethorpe (whom I personally think was one strange puppy and "had some
>> > issues") shouldn't have "gotten anything from the government".

Moi:
>> Because he was a sick fuck.  You don't need "government art funding
>> guidelines" to be able to determine that.
> 
> Les, listen carefully. Government (and that's most any goverment) programs
> which distribute funds to private interests use guidelines to determine
> eligibility for said funds. That's why they're called "Funding
> Guidelines". Or, to put it more simply for ya-"Rules For Getting The
> Money". The guidelines exist to ensure that the funds are dispursed as
> intended. They are neither designed nor intended to determine
> phychological status. those are called "Psychological Tests".

Wobbie, that's totally irrelevant.  How stupid would a government
department, ANY government department, have to be to grant one penny to
sick fucks like Ceranos or Mapplethorpe?  By contrast, it doesn't take a
C.J. Jung to see that guys who like pissing in jars with crucifixes, or
stuffing bullwhips up the ass, are sickos who aren't producing art, but
trying to shock people.

> You must not get out much.

Why?  Because I don't share your definition of "art"?
   
>> > And BTW, which government are you talking about? Could this possibly fit
>> > under your own, most eloquently stated "none of your fucking business"
>> > category?
>> 
>> As I already stated, I wasn't sure about Mapplethorpe.  I stated that the
>> NEA had granted Ceranos some moola so he could "produce" _Piss Christ_,
>> and that I was unsure as to who had funded Mapplethorpe.  But since you
>> think so highly of him, perhaps YOU'D know?
> 
> First, you neglected to delete the part of my original post that explains
> that I don't think highly of him at all. You must be slipping, Big Fella!
> 
> Second, it was youyouyou who said "he shouldn't have gotten anything from
> the government". I don't know if he got federal funds or not. But if he
> did, what's it to you, Molsenbreath?

*sigh*

Yet again, it's because he's a sick fuck.

Are you archiving this to turn it over to him for a libel suit, or are
you just stupid?

Les




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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:

(snipola grande)

Rob "I'm not pussywhipped, and Jeannie says so!" Kowalewski has a rather
interesting sig, a quote from good ol' Woodie Guthrie:

> You know it's through this world I've rambled
> I've seen lots of funny men.
> Some will rob you with a six-gun
> And some with a fountain pen.
> But it's through your life you ramble
> And it's through your life you roam
> You won't ever see an outlaw 
> Drive a family from their home.
> -Woody Guthrie

Obviously, Robbie's never heard of foreclosure.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Apr 28 12:23:00 PDT 1996
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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4lrlsk$fn3@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :No, I have maintained that Egyptians were not negroes at any time that
>   :they contributed anything of worth.
> 
> So they stepped into Calvin's transmogrifier, became white, built the
> pyramids and invented heiroglyphics, and then turned black again just in
> time to breed with the Jews. Ingenious.
 
You'll notice the ingenious semantics here:  Andy-Panda equates BUILDING
the pyramids with DESIGNING them.  By that logic, horses and oxen are
responsible for agriculture, since they're the ones that pull the plow
through the fields.

Andy-Panda, the only negro dynasty was the Nubian Dynasty, which reigned
>from  approximately 750 B.C. to 650 B.C.  The pyramids, by contrast, were
built in the third MILLENIUM B.C., and hieroglyphics were also around for
a LONG time by the time the Nubian Dynasty (mis)ruled Egypt.  Not being a
linguist, I don't know the exact dates for the development of language in
Egypt, but if modern-day negro "contributions" to English are anything to
go by, they didn't have a whole hell of a lot of positive input into
hieroglyphics.
 
Les
> 




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"K. McCabe" (kmccabe@u.washington.edu) writes:
> AHA! Given Ourobouros obvious admiration for Alexander the Great, and
> given Alexander's marriage to Roxanne (as well as the marriages of the
> rest of his campaigning officers to Persian Princesses,) we must assume
> that in Ourobouros we have yet another closet fan of multi-cultural
> marriage. Say, do you know Les? You two wacky kids have got to meet!

What an ass!

Les




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Kaa Byington (octavia@worldnet.att.net) writes:
> fides diggin  wrote:
>>
>>I have always stated to my friends that there is nothing wrong 
>>with people who are gay. That is just their sexual preference and 
>>none of my business. However, I find a conflict of mission 
>>readiness when their are allowed openly gay men or women in the 
>>military. Bias' exist, and when the chips are down and weapons 
>>are firing, god bless the soul who other soldiers have a bias 
>>against. It doesn't fit in a combat situation. Period.
> 
> I wonder what you would think of my gay friend who was a marine medic in 
> Vietnam.  He's got ugly burn scars all over his back--he pulled 5 people 
> out of a burning helicopter.  I wonder if they cared if he was gay?

It's so nice to see that you don't really read what other people have to
say, you just home in on the buzz words and take it from there.  Mr. Fides
quite clearly says "... [the side] who (sic) OTHER soldiers have a bias
against".

BTW, are you suggesting that ALL homosexuals have the same nobility of
spirit as your (alleged) friend?

Les



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Does anyone else know if this is true?  If so, it's monstrous.  I have two
neices in the sixth grade.

Les
John Dulaney (jdulaney@nntp1.best.com) writes:
> 	Scranton, PA (I believe) as heard tonight on Michael Reagan.
> 	The effects of GOALS 2000:
> 
> 	59 12-year-old (6th grader) school girls forced to strip nude and
> undergo genital exams by school officials against their will, without
> notification to or authorization by parents. 
> 	They were examined for diseases and potential parental abuse.
> 	A fishing expedition to arrest white males?
> 
> 	Many girls had already had physical exams by their own doctors.
> 	The school claimed they had lost those reports.
> 
> 	Many children broke into tears and begged to call their mothers but
> were refused and forced to undergo the exam against their will.
> 
> 	Outraged parents called police who refused to interview a single
> child and quickly closed the case.
> 	(See below for an URL reference address on this story.)
> 	What madness is this?
> 	
> 	That state and school are under GOALS 2000 (which is an even more
> totalitarian torture-brainwashing than the Soviet Polytech Vocation
> schools on which it is based) and there is nothing to be done. 
> 	Parents and police can do nothing. The state accepted a few
> pennies of Federal money and with it come Federal laws. To interfere would
> be to break Federal law. 
> 
> 	One by one the various elements of Goals 2000 and Outcome Based
> Education make their tape-worm paths into our front doors, our living
> rooms, our bedrooms, our minds and, now, into the vaginas of our terrified
> daughters screaming in humiliation and shock. Who can guess the effect of
> Nazi-era police-state brutality?
> 	We conservatives are so bloody backwards. 
> 
> 	Next it's "Salo'", concentration camps, the ovens.... Armageddon
> dare we speak out against the horrors our lives have become and certainly
> if we don't.
> 	Are there concentration camps being built for disenters as is
> reportedly surmised in AMERICAN FREEDOM magazine? 
> 
> 	"1984" is just 12 years late though it was already on it's way
> through the last century.
> 	California has just signed for GOALS 2000. California's education
> budget is more than 16 $Billion and Pete Wilson signed away our children
> into Totalitarian Ruin for the $42 million that comes with GOALS 2000.
> 	That money works out to 75 cents per child. 
> 
> 	WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!
> 	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 	They are disarming us as they did in Nazi Germany!
> 	They are stripping our children of their God-given dignity and
> filling their hearts and minds with hatred for their country, themselves
> and their families!
> 	The borders are opened up to the leeches of third world countries,
> in San Francisco a movement to allow NON-U.S. Citizens to VOTE is afoot
> and will likely be accepted though unconstitutional.
> 	Illegals allowed to vote in their own countries and ours to
> determine what will go on in both countries!
> 	With enough non-citizens voting they can vote to give-up city
> after city to Mexico or do whatever voting power can do!
> 
> 	I have property in Italy.
> 	I think I'll trade it for property in Albania where we'll enjoy
> more freedom.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Reply-To: hitthegas@aol.com (Hitthegas)
> 
> I read about this too in the Michael Reagan forum  You can get a very good
> text on the FACTS at
> http://www.reagan.com/cgi-bin/main/hottopics/1996/4/ht042319963.html
> 
> Giving out the information doesn't make one a lunatic....
> 
> It appears the lunatics were at the East Stroudsburg school board meeting
> and sitting on the board.
> 
> Just because we've chosen to raise our children at home shouldn't mean we
> have quit caring about the children who may not have been afforded that
> option.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 	From John Dulaney:
> 	Since a full reading of GOALS 2000 shows that ALL children will
> come under it's laws, homeschoolers and private schoolers alike!, and
> since 45 states have already taken a few pennies and signed up for this US
> style Soviet Communist Polytechnic Avocation school system and all will do
> so soon - WE are living in a Police State under Martial Law NOW!
> 
> 	Will ONE WORLD COMMUNIST government affect your family?
> 		YOU BET!
> 
> Corrected WEB PAGE addresses:
> 
> Please send me any to add to this list.
> (And report problems back to me) 	 -   jdulaney@best.com)
> 				  http://www.best.com/~jdulaney
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> For ONE WORLD GOV'T and other political WEB PAGEs see:
> (I don't vouch that all these are 100% legit and not from some gov't
> agent(cy) - read and respond with caution, friends.)
> 
> 	  http://Syninfo.COM/crier/index.htmlx
> and     : http://www.bath.ac.uk/~adsjrc/eu/inf-main.htm
> and	: http://www.together.org/orgs/wcw/gov.html
> and	: http://www.webcom.com/~worldgov/indrob.html
> and 	: http://www.cruzio.com/~tim/wcpa/how.html
> and	: http://crystalpt.com/alshome/alshome.htm
> 
> 	Here's someone who needs help. I assume it's legit.
> and     : http://constitution.org/mwilliams/mwilliams.htm
> 	(His is SOME story!)
> 
> and	: http://www.lookup.com/Homepages/65177/johnson/
> and 	: http://www.peg.apc.org/~newdawn
> and	: http://www.instanet.com/~vct
> 
> I also have a dozen files of great current interrest.
> These can be e-mailed as text or zipped.
> 	Just ask for them.




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From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Apr 28 14:28:55 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Robbie's sig (was: I may not be able to define art...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4lvkq8$jfh@freenet-news.carleton.ca,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> * 
> * (snipola grande)
> * 
> * Rob "I'm not pussywhipped, and Jeannie says so!" Kowalewski has a rather
> * interesting sig, a quote from good ol' Woodie Guthrie:
> * 
> * > You know it's through this world I've rambled
> * > I've seen lots of funny men.
> * > Some will rob you with a six-gun
> * > And some with a fountain pen.
> * > But it's through your life you ramble
> * > And it's through your life you roam
> * > You won't ever see an outlaw 
> * > Drive a family from their home.
> * > -Woody Guthrie
> * 
> * Obviously, Robbie's never heard of foreclosure.
> 
> Obviously, we make our mortgage payment on time every month. Dork.
 
That's nice for you, Crazy, but I said HEARD of foreclosure, not
EXPERIENCED foreclosure.  There IS a difference, twat.
 
Also, it's nice to know that you think everyone is JUST LIKE YOU.  Never
heard of downsizing?  Losing one's job, or for whatever reason, not being able 
to make the mortgage/tax payments on one's property, and having those NICE
PEOPLE at the (jewish-owned) banks foreclosing, with the threat of legal
action?
 
Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Apr 28 14:28:58 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.nationalism.white
Subject: Re: RACIAL INTERMIXING
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Andrew Rugg (andyr@sisna.com) writes:
> 	There are many racists who preach against racial intermixing
> (intermarriage and interbreeding) on the basis of an alleged
> superiority or inferiority of one race versus another.  POPPYCOCK.
> There is good basis for opposition to racial intermixing and it has
> nothing to do with racism.

Poppycock yourself, God-squadder.  Racism is a very valuable mechanism for
preventing the squandering of genes with the non-White races of this
world.  

(snip - rest of foam-at-the-mouth religious proseletyzing deleted)

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4lvkq8$jfh@freenet-news.carleton.ca,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> * 
> * (snipola grande)
> * 
> * Rob "I'm not pussywhipped, and Jeannie says so!" Kowalewski has a rather
> * interesting sig, a quote from good ol' Woodie Guthrie:
> * 
> * > You know it's through this world I've rambled
> * > I've seen lots of funny men.
> * > Some will rob you with a six-gun
> * > And some with a fountain pen.
> * > But it's through your life you ramble
> * > And it's through your life you roam
> * > You won't ever see an outlaw 
> * > Drive a family from their home.
> * > -Woody Guthrie
> * 
> * Obviously, Robbie's never heard of foreclosure.
> 
> Obviously, we make our mortgage payment on time every month. Dork.
 
That's nice for you, Crazy, but I said HEARD of foreclosure, not
EXPERIENCED foreclosure.  There IS a difference, twat.
 
Also, it's nice to know that you think everyone is JUST LIKE YOU.  Never
heard of downsizing?  Losing one's job, or for whatever reason, not being able 
to make the mortgage/tax payments on one's property, and having those NICE
PEOPLE at the (jewish-owned) banks foreclosing, with the threat of legal
action?
 
Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4m0dqi$qnf@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip - a whole bunch of stuff, including Keith alleging that the Taj
Mahal means that the Zimbabwe ruins were built by negroes)

>>> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
>>> 
>>>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>>>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>>>    India..."
>>> 
>>> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
>>> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
>>> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
>>> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
>>> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.
> 
>>*sigh*
> 
>>But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
>>Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
>>Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
>>that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.
> 
> So why couldn't Zimbabwe have been built by the higher castes in southern 
> Africa, hmmm?

They conceivably could have been.  But in every civilization where there
has been any multiracialism, the negro has always been at the BOTTOM of
the heap.  So that just creates a vicious circle.  Or are you alleging
that ALL negroes were/are of the higher castes?

Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4m0dqi$qnf@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip - a whole bunch of stuff, including Keith alleging that the Taj
Mahal means that the Zimbabwe ruins were built by negroes)

>>> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
>>> 
>>>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>>>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>>>    India..."
>>> 
>>> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
>>> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
>>> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
>>> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
>>> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.
> 
>>*sigh*
> 
>>But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
>>Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
>>Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
>>that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.
> 
> So why couldn't Zimbabwe have been built by the higher castes in southern 
> Africa, hmmm?

They conceivably could have been.  But in every civilization where there
has been any multiracialism, the negro has always been at the BOTTOM of
the heap.  So that just creates a vicious circle.  Or are you alleging
that ALL negroes were/are of the higher castes?

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Apr 28 22:42:20 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> In article <199604231932.MAA01401@infinity.c2.org>
>            whitewolf@alpha.c2.org  writes:

(snip)

>> Few seemed to graps the gravity of the problem of TWO MILLION CHINKS
>> that are going to arrive in England!!
> 
> Two million people from Hong Kong are *not* going to be coming
> to the UK. They have passports which entitle them to enter the UK
> if they want. It doesn't mean all 2 million want to move to Britain.

It doesn't mean they don't want to, either.  So tell me, wise one, where
might these chinee go if they don't go to Merry Olde England?

(snip)

>> All this coming on St. George's Day, he must be turning in his grave!!!
> 
> I doubt you racist wankers would have called St. George "white".

So what was he, Caesar?  Is this going to be one of those "Every great
historical figure was BLACK, man!" diatribes?


Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4m0dqi$qnf@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip - a whole bunch of stuff, including Keith alleging that the Taj
Mahal means that the Zimbabwe ruins were built by negroes)

>>> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
>>> 
>>>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>>>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>>>    India..."
>>> 
>>> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
>>> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
>>> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
>>> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
>>> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.
> 
>>*sigh*
> 
>>But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
>>Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
>>Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
>>that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.
> 
> So why couldn't Zimbabwe have been built by the higher castes in southern 
> Africa, hmmm?

They conceivably could have been.  But in every civilization where there
has been any multiracialism, the negro has always been at the BOTTOM of
the heap.  So that just creates a vicious circle.  Or are you alleging
that ALL negroes were/are of the higher castes?

Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4m0dqi$qnf@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:

(snip - a whole bunch of stuff, including Keith alleging that the Taj
Mahal means that the Zimbabwe ruins were built by negroes)

>>> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
>>> 
>>>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>>>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>>>    India..."
>>> 
>>> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
>>> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
>>> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
>>> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
>>> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.
> 
>>*sigh*
> 
>>But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
>>Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
>>Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
>>that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.
> 
> So why couldn't Zimbabwe have been built by the higher castes in southern 
> Africa, hmmm?

They conceivably could have been.  But in every civilization where there
has been any multiracialism, the negro has always been at the BOTTOM of
the heap.  So that just creates a vicious circle.  Or are you alleging
that ALL negroes were/are of the higher castes?

Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lq4h1$p4@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>(snip)
> 
>>>       Do any of you people know any real Jews?  Once, I met an Ethopian Jew.
>>> He was black.  Every other Jew I ever met was WHITE.
> 
>>Ah, so you're confusing appearance with inner essence.  Not surprising,
>>really.
> 
> Ah, so you're saying that appearence is not really that important.  Glad we 
> agree on that.

In some circumstances it is, in some it isn't relative to other
characteristics.

GAWD, WHY are you liberals so damn stupid?  With retards like you, Keith,
I'm almost not sorry to see the White Race on the ropes.  If YOU'RE
indicative of the future, we DESERVE extinction.

Les




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Alexandre Kotov (akotov1@umbc.edu) writes:
> In article <4ltu2c$891@news1.panix.com>, Andrew Mathis  wrote:
>>No, Milton, it's your ma who does the blowing.
>>
> 
> By being rude you will not prove anything. At least to me.

Rudeness is stock-in-trade for jews.

Les




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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4lvkq8$jfh@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
>> 
>> (snipola grande)
>> 
>> Rob "I'm not pussywhipped, and Jeannie says so!" Kowalewski has a rather
>> interesting sig, a quote from good ol' Woodie Guthrie:

(snip - Wobbie's sig deleted, although it appears again at the end of this
message, kind considerate guy that Wobbie is)

>> Obviously, Robbie's never heard of foreclosure. >> 
> 
> Well, Big Fella, I gotta hand it to ya. When you miss the point of
> something, you miss by miles.
> 
> The verse IS ABOUT FORECLOSURE!!!

Then Guthrie doesn't know shit about foreclosures, either.  In the truest
sense of the word, a family IS driven from its home.
 
> Tell ya what. You study it again, reeeeal hard, and if you still don't get
> it, I'll try to explain it to ya, line by line. I mean, racism and hate is
> one thing, but as Pete Seeger said, "Folk music is serious".

Pete Seeger... Woodie Guthrie... and people laugh at ME for using Carleton
S. Coon and Carleton Putnam as sources.

> You know it's through this world I've rambled
> I've seen lots of funny men.
> Some will rob you with a six-gun
> And some with a fountain pen.
> But it's through your life you ramble
> And it's through your life you roam
> You won't ever see an outlaw 
> Drive a family from their home.
> -Woody Guthrie

^^^^^^^^^^ Wobbie's sig

Les



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Rich Graves (rich@c2.org) writes:
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> 
> In article <4m0f3r$fsq@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
> (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> 
>> In article , 
>> rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:
>> 
>> >How much money did Bobby gross, exactly? Not THAT much.
>>
>> 25k from the Seattle bank holdup
>> 500k from the Seattle armored car robbery
>> 3.6m from the Ukiah armored car robbery
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> $4,125,000 + proceeds from counterfeit schemes and misc. petty
>> robberies.
>> 
>> I am not aware of any of this money having been recovered.
> 
> Obviously, we are in complete disagreement. Thanks for the numbers.
> 
> So what message does this send to skinhead youth? Bomb some buildings,
> kill some people, rob a bunch of banks, steal money from the sick and the
> old, write bad checks, and you'll make a name for yourself. Les Griswold
> and Milton Kleim will count you as heroes. Of course, if you get a little
> too excited, the government might go after you, and you'll die in a
> shootout -- but you'll take down some of those ZOG Oppressors (tm) while
> you're at it. Anyone know if the federal marshall that Bobby smoked before
> going down himself had children?

"Bobby" didn't smoke any federal marshall.  Face it, Graves, you don't
know the first thing about Aryans, so shut up and let the big boys talk.

(snip - rest of the McVay/Graves love-in deleted)

Les



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Ian McKinney (mckinney@usaor.net) writes:
> jdulaney@nntp.best.com (John Dulaney) wrote:
> 
>>	One by one the various elements of Goals 2000 and Outcome Based
>>Education make their tape-worm paths into our front doors, our living
>>rooms, our bedrooms, our minds and, now, into the vaginas of our terrified
>>daughters screaming in humiliation and shock. Who can guess the effect of
>>Nazi-era police-state brutality?
>>	We conservatives are so bloody backwards. 
> 
> More acurate would be a Communist-era police-state brutality
> 
>>	They are disarming us as they did in Nazi Germany!
> 
> Nazi Germany didn't disarm its citizens. The USSR did.

Yes, but the "conservatives" MUST have their Nazi bugaboos.  Their mindset
is very simple:  the Nazis lost, therefore anything bad happening under
the current administration(s) MUST be similar to what the Nazis did.  The
commies didn't suffer a military defeat, and more, we weren't whipped up
into a war-frenzy over them, so they're not so bad.  B'sides, communism is
a jewish invention.  Can't say anything bad about jews, can we?

Les


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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4lpc6q$oh6@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
>   :edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X
>   :
>   :"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
>   :of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
>   :tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
>   :novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
>   :ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
>   :whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
>   :legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
>   :thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
>   :the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
>   :Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
>   :evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
>   :What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
>   :an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
>   :their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
>   :North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
>   :number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
>   :and Gaucher's."
> 
> Okay, Les. What this statement purports to prove is that the reference to
> Jews as "Khazars," a particular old saw of "aryan" racists, is wholly
> invalid. 
> 
> It further goes on to state that Jews picked up "Negro genes" as a result
> of their time among the ancient Egyptians -- a people who, you have told
> us at every opportunity, were not black.

No, I have maintained that Egyptians were not negroes at any time that
they contributed anything of worth.  Slaves don't count for identifying
the race of great cultures.
 
Les



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Rich Graves (rich@c2.org) writes:
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> In article <4lpcfi$ojr@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Ah.  So a crucifix in a jar of piss is supposed to be "funny"?  A bullwhip
>> up the ass is supposed to be humourous?  What's REALLY funny is that these
>> bozoes get government funding for their degeneracy (the NEA for Serano,
>> not sure about Mapplethorpe).
> 
> I don't think Mappelthorpe is getting much from the government now.

He should have NEVER gotten ANYTHING from the government, except maybe an
arrest warrant.

Les





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Alexandre Kotov (akotov1@umbc.edu) writes:
> In article <4ltu2c$891@news1.panix.com>, Andrew Mathis  wrote:
>>No, Milton, it's your ma who does the blowing.
>>
> 
> By being rude you will not prove anything. At least to me.

Rudeness is stock-in-trade for jews.

Les




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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4lvkq8$jfh@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
>> 
>> (snipola grande)
>> 
>> Rob "I'm not pussywhipped, and Jeannie says so!" Kowalewski has a rather
>> interesting sig, a quote from good ol' Woodie Guthrie:

(snip - Wobbie's sig deleted, although it appears again at the end of this
message, kind considerate guy that Wobbie is)

>> Obviously, Robbie's never heard of foreclosure. >> 
> 
> Well, Big Fella, I gotta hand it to ya. When you miss the point of
> something, you miss by miles.
> 
> The verse IS ABOUT FORECLOSURE!!!

Then Guthrie doesn't know shit about foreclosures, either.  In the truest
sense of the word, a family IS driven from its home.
 
> Tell ya what. You study it again, reeeeal hard, and if you still don't get
> it, I'll try to explain it to ya, line by line. I mean, racism and hate is
> one thing, but as Pete Seeger said, "Folk music is serious".

Pete Seeger... Woodie Guthrie... and people laugh at ME for using Carleton
S. Coon and Carleton Putnam as sources.

> You know it's through this world I've rambled
> I've seen lots of funny men.
> Some will rob you with a six-gun
> And some with a fountain pen.
> But it's through your life you ramble
> And it's through your life you roam
> You won't ever see an outlaw 
> Drive a family from their home.
> -Woody Guthrie

^^^^^^^^^^ Wobbie's sig

Les



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Rich Graves (rich@c2.org) writes:
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> In article <4m0f3r$fsq@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca>, kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
> (Ken McVay OBC) wrote:
> 
>> In article , 
>> rich@c2.org (Rich Graves) wrote:
>> 
>> >How much money did Bobby gross, exactly? Not THAT much.
>>
>> 25k from the Seattle bank holdup
>> 500k from the Seattle armored car robbery
>> 3.6m from the Ukiah armored car robbery
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> $4,125,000 + proceeds from counterfeit schemes and misc. petty
>> robberies.
>> 
>> I am not aware of any of this money having been recovered.
> 
> Obviously, we are in complete disagreement. Thanks for the numbers.
> 
> So what message does this send to skinhead youth? Bomb some buildings,
> kill some people, rob a bunch of banks, steal money from the sick and the
> old, write bad checks, and you'll make a name for yourself. Les Griswold
> and Milton Kleim will count you as heroes. Of course, if you get a little
> too excited, the government might go after you, and you'll die in a
> shootout -- but you'll take down some of those ZOG Oppressors (tm) while
> you're at it. Anyone know if the federal marshall that Bobby smoked before
> going down himself had children?

"Bobby" didn't smoke any federal marshall.  Face it, Graves, you don't
know the first thing about Aryans, so shut up and let the big boys talk.

(snip - rest of the McVay/Graves love-in deleted)

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Andy "Raggedy" Walton (atticus@mindspring.com) writes:
> In article <4lpc6q$oh6@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>   :From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
>   :edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X
>   :
>   :"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
>   :of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
>   :tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
>   :novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
>   :ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
>   :whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
>   :legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
>   :thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
>   :the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
>   :Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
>   :evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
>   :What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
>   :an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
>   :their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
>   :North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
>   :number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
>   :and Gaucher's."
> 
> Okay, Les. What this statement purports to prove is that the reference to
> Jews as "Khazars," a particular old saw of "aryan" racists, is wholly
> invalid. 
> 
> It further goes on to state that Jews picked up "Negro genes" as a result
> of their time among the ancient Egyptians -- a people who, you have told
> us at every opportunity, were not black.

No, I have maintained that Egyptians were not negroes at any time that
they contributed anything of worth.  Slaves don't count for identifying
the race of great cultures.
 
Les



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Rich Graves (rich@c2.org) writes:
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> 
> In article <4lpcfi$ojr@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>> Ah.  So a crucifix in a jar of piss is supposed to be "funny"?  A bullwhip
>> up the ass is supposed to be humourous?  What's REALLY funny is that these
>> bozoes get government funding for their degeneracy (the NEA for Serano,
>> not sure about Mapplethorpe).
> 
> I don't think Mappelthorpe is getting much from the government now.

He should have NEVER gotten ANYTHING from the government, except maybe an
arrest warrant.

Les





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Alexandre Kotov (akotov1@umbc.edu) writes:
> In article <4ltu2c$891@news1.panix.com>, Andrew Mathis  wrote:
>>No, Milton, it's your ma who does the blowing.
>>
> 
> By being rude you will not prove anything. At least to me.

Rudeness is stock-in-trade for jews.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Tue Apr 30 23:39:26 PDT 1996
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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

> List a single thing you have built or contributed to Western Civilization
> gris-gris. 

*yawn*

Here we go again.  I might ask you the same thing, Jacob, but you've made
it plain that you aren't willing to come forth with any personal
information, to prove once and for all that you have umpteen-million
patents, and that you work where you imply (but never state) that you do. 

> Go back into your miserable ancestry, an ancestry that has
> produced a 70 to 85 IQ person who is only able to work as a security guard,
> and a list a single contribution they have made to Western Civilization. 

James!  How unconscionably racist!  Negroes don't have 70 to 85 IQs! 
That's cultural bias!

What, dear boy, do you have against security guards?

> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
> venomous hatred imaginable.  

"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.

> What a legacy for your children, in later years when asked what their father
> did they can say he spent his time on the internet spewing hatred.  You are
> a most miserable creep. 

This concern for my future, James, it's so... touching.  I'm really moved
to tears by your empathy.

Les



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Laura Finsten (finsten@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca) writes:
> hkatz@earth.usa.net (Harry Katz) wrote:
>>In article <4ls29j$3t6@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
>>Ourobouros (p_stone@alchemy.co.nz) whines:
> 
>>	To sum up:  The dictionary is inconsistent between "Semite" and 
>>	"Anti-Semite" and the dictionary is not infallible.  Proselytes
>>	have no right to the definition of "Semite".  And finally, the
>>	non proselytes Jews cannot claim lineage or descent to Shem due
>>	to their Matriarchal stance...
> 
>>Mr. Ourobouros proves that it is much easier to make sweeping
>>statements if you are totally ignorant!
> 
> Ah, Mr. Katz, I see that you are not a reader of 
> alt.nationalism.white-power rangers.  Mr. Stone's
> specialty is sweeping statements based on total
> ignorance, although he does frequently engage in
> purposeful distortion and misrepresentation of
> published sources, as well.  And lately he seems
> to be sliding into profane ("emotional") rants.

He's just trying to communicate with you in a manner that (hopefully) you
will understand. 

Les




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Matt Nuenke () writes:
> On 27 Apr 1996 07:03:13 GMT, ibokor@metz.une.edu.au (ibokor) wrote:
> 
>>Andrew Rugg (andyr@sisna.com) wrote:
>>
>>: 	Most Eastern European Jews are not even semitic by blood.  (Don't tell
>>: them that, it does not fit well with a commonly held Jewish myth.)  In
>>: the Middle Ages a kingdom, the Khazar, located on the North shore of
>>: the Black Sea, converted to Judaism for about two hundred years.  The
>>: great majority of Eastern European Jews can trace their ancestery to
>>: these Southern Russians who converted to the Jewish religion.
>>
>>Interesting theory. However it makes it difficult to explain why the
>>Jews of Eastern Europe spoke primarily Yiddish, which is a Germanic
>>language dating back to about the 10th century in the western part of
>>Germany. I would have expected their principal language(s) to be
>>Slavic or of Khazar origin were that the main line of descent.
>>
>>Explanation?
> 
> The leading authority on races and peoples is L. Luca Cavalli-Sforza,
> originator of the Human Genome Diversity Project. Though he has
> attempted to classify 42 groups of people around the globe, he is not
> ready to attempt to classify genetically the Jews or (Gypsies I think
> it was). They are a culture that moved around, intermarried, and are
> more a religion than a race. He is working on a book to describe just
> the Jews, so this is some indication how hard it is. For now let us
> just accept that no one will be sure until the research is in.

Say no more.  NO-ONE dares to try and "classify" the jews without geting
their O.K. first, just to make sure that any "classification" consists of
ONLY the most fulsome praise of the Self-Chosen People.

Les




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Kevin Filan (rakshasa@panix.com) writes:

(snip)

Kevin:
>>> 	What would you consider an "activity calculated to encourage 
>>> abortion among high-quality Aryan women?"

Milton:
>>Some of the more pernicious "ZPG" campaigns, insisting that Aryan women
>>should forego children because "there are too many starving children
>>already" would be an example of this.
> 
> 	The birthrates in Western European countries are lower than the 
> birthrates in "Third World" countries, true. This is due, I believe, to a 
> number of factors, not the least of which being the ready availability of 
> contraceptives and the relatively high education levels of women in those 
> countries.

Ironic, isn't it, that where birth control could do the most good, it's shunned.

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (fruitcake@nut.com) writes:
> And, now, a musical number... (This is sung to the tune of the theme song
> of Al Bundy's favorite tv show _Psycho Dad_. Al Bundy is a character in
> the tv sitcom _Married with Children_.)
> 
> Psycho Les

(snip - song deleted to save space, although to give Crazy her due, it WAS
pretty funny)

I'm touched, Crazy, I really am, that you would devote so much time to me.
 Gives me a lump in my eyes and tears in my throat.

Les



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1)  Do you get paid by the word, the kilobyte, or the megabyte?

2)  Do your masters pay you a bonus when you come up with something
particularly witty, or do you get just a flat rate?

3)  What, other than harrassment and spamming, is your purpose in
periodically posting the "les-10-q" to at least FIVE newsgroups?

4)  What, other than an overinflated ego, makes you think that you are
entitled to any response other than ridicule?

Les



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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (fruitcake@nut.com) writes:
> > And, now, a musical number... (This is sung to the tune of the theme song
> > of Al Bundy's favorite tv show _Psycho Dad_. Al Bundy is a character in
> > the tv sitcom _Married with Children_.)
> >
> > Psycho Les
> 
> (snip - song deleted to save space, although to give Crazy her due, it WAS
> pretty funny)
> 
> I'm touched, Crazy, I really am, that you would devote so much time to me.
>  Gives me a lump in my eyes and tears in my throat.
> 
> Les


Remember "Psych Dad" on Married With Children?! He's pretty cool...

eB


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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lvjs9$j78@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>>>The reason that the structures in Zimbabwe look "nothing like typical
>>>>Arabic buildings" is that they were built, by and large, with negro
>>>>construction.  Even with Arabic direction, there is only so much the
>>>>negroes could have accomplished.  This phenomenon of native incompetence
>>>>in construction was remarked upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to
>>>>the structures in India, and comparing them with what was done in England.
>>> 
>>> "Native incompetance in construction" in India, hmm?
>>> 
>>> Who built the Taj Mahal, Griswold?  The Greeks?
> 
>>So, Keith, mind explaining to me when the Taj Mahal became the Zimbabwe ruins?
> 
> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
> 
>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>    India..."
> 
> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.

*sigh*

But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.

Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <1996Apr28.065125.7524@wpg.ramp.net> Joe Lockhart  writes:
> 
>>1) "Mentally the Negro is inferior to the white..."
> 
>>2) "...While with the White the volume of the brain grows with the
>>expansion of the brainpan, in the Negro the growth of the
>>brain is on the contrary arrested by the premature closing
>>of the cranial sutures...."
> 
>>3) "Cannibalism is found in its simplest form in Africa.
>>In that continent the majority of cannibal tribes eat
>>human flesh because they like it, and not from any
>>magical motive or from lack of other animal food.
>>In fact it is noticeable that the tribes most addicted to
>>this practice inhabit just those districts where game
>>is most plentiful."
> 
>>4) "The recognized leaders of the race are almost
>>invariably persons of mixed blood, and the qualities
>>which have made them leaders are derived certainly
>>in part and perhaps mainly from their white ancestry."
> 
> 
>>1) The Encyclopedia Britannica
>>Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
>>Page 344
> 
>>2) The Encyclopedia Britannica
>>Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
>>Page 344
> 
>>3) The Encyclopedia Britannica
>>Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
>>Page 345
> 
>>4) The Encyclopedia Britannica
>>Eleventh Edition 1910 - 1911
>>Page 346
> 
> 
> Also from the _Britannica_ of that period is a wonderful description of an 
> island in the Caribbean that is surrounded by shear cliffs.  The inhabitants 
> launch and recover their boats by building them on the island and then 
> lowering them by rope to the ocean several hundred feet below.
> 
> Of course, there is no such island.  You will not find mention of it in 
> recent editions of Britannica.
> 
> Now that we are on that topic, howzabout we look at some other popular 
> beliefs from that time and compare them to the present day, hmm?
> 
> My grandmother has a complete set on encyclopedias from the 1920s called, I 
> believe, something like The Encyclopedia of Science and Technology or 
> somesuch.  In a section covering astronomy they show some telescope photos 
> and what they describe as nebulae that may someday collapse and form a star 
> like the sun is believed to have done.  Beautiful pictures, in fact.  And 
> very wrong because, you see, what they show are not nebula at all but other 
> galaxies.  The science has advanced since then.
> 
> Now what other scientific facts from the early part of this century have 
> since been proven wrong?  Well, I could start with the calculation that a 
> lunar rocket is impossible because it would *have* to weigh a million tons.  
> And trains couldn't travel faster than, oh, 60 MPH because people would not 
> be able to breathe going that fast.

Here we see the typical liberal respnse to uncomfortable facts:  SOME
things were wrong in the past, therefore ALL things were wrong in the
past.  

> Why don't you look up something a little more recent?

Because anything "more recent" is full of P.C. bullshit so as not to hurt
feelings by stating some uncomfortable facts.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: I may not be able to define art, but I know it when I see it! (was: If...)
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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4lvki8$je1@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>> Wobbie, that's totally irrelevant.  How stupid would a government
>> department, ANY government department, have to be to grant one penny to
>> sick fucks like Ceranos or Mapplethorpe?  By contrast, it doesn't take a
>> C.J. Jung to see that guys who like pissing in jars with crucifixes, or
>> stuffing bullwhips up the ass, are sickos who aren't producing art, but
>> trying to shock people.
> 
> Relying on some experience administering gov't-funded programs, I can tell
> you that, (in this case), federal art dollars are distributed according to
> overwhelmingly art-related guidelines. In a country of roughly 250 million
> people, the feds can't even attempt to fully investigate all possible
> applicants. It's just the way it is. The public can have input into the
> formulation of most program guidelines, however, provided that somebody's
> willing to travel a long way to sit through some really dreadful meetings.

If the government is not willing to take itself seriously, then why should
anyone else be expected to?
 
> And BTW, lots o' folks think that one of the functions of art IS to shock
> people.

They're wrong.
  
>> > You must not get out much.
>> 
>> Why?  Because I don't share your definition of "art"?
> 
> No. That was a cheap shot for which I, with a minimum of sincerity, apologize.

Apology (minimally) accepted.
      
>> Yet again, it's because he's a sick fuck.
> 
> Mr. Mathis was kind enough to verify that both the artists in question got
> American NEA dollars.
> 
> Yet again, why is that any of your goalie-sniffin' business?!?

Because the government in Canada and the government in the U.S.A. are just
two manifestations of the SAME sickness, and the White populations of
America/Canada are both overwhelmingly WHITE, separated by a fictional
line at the 49th paralell.  As I explained to your charming, demure (gag!)
wife, I'm concerned with ANYTHING that affects MY RACE.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

> List a single thing you have built or contributed to Western Civilization
> gris-gris. 

*yawn*

Here we go again.  I might ask you the same thing, Jacob, but you've made
it plain that you aren't willing to come forth with any personal
information, to prove once and for all that you have umpteen-million
patents, and that you work where you imply (but never state) that you do. 

> Go back into your miserable ancestry, an ancestry that has
> produced a 70 to 85 IQ person who is only able to work as a security guard,
> and a list a single contribution they have made to Western Civilization. 

James!  How unconscionably racist!  Negroes don't have 70 to 85 IQs! 
That's cultural bias!

What, dear boy, do you have against security guards?

> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
> venomous hatred imaginable.  

"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.

> What a legacy for your children, in later years when asked what their father
> did they can say he spent his time on the internet spewing hatred.  You are
> a most miserable creep. 

This concern for my future, James, it's so... touching.  I'm really moved
to tears by your empathy.

Les



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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4m0dcd$qia@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - a whole bunch of stuff about foreclosure)

> * > Obviously, we make our mortgage payment on time every month. Dork.
> *  
> * That's nice for you, Crazy, but I said HEARD of foreclosure, not
> * EXPERIENCED foreclosure.  There IS a difference, twat.
> 
> Of course I've heard of foreclosure, putz. If you had a clue about Rob's
> sig or its reference, you'd know that Woody was writing about Pretty Boy
> Floyd, a guy who robbed banks in the South during the Great
> Depression/Dust Bowl and gave much of the proceeds to farmers who were
> about to lose their property.

Well, colour ME embarrassed!  I mean, I SHOULD have known that Wobbie's
sig referred to Pretty Boy Floyd, it's just so obvious!
 
> * Also, it's nice to know that you think everyone is JUST LIKE YOU.  Never
> * heard of downsizing?  Losing one's job, or for whatever reason, not
> * being able to make the mortgage/tax payments on one's property, and having
> * those NICE PEOPLE at the (jewish-owned) banks foreclosing, with the threat
> * of legal action?
> 
> We can always count on you to take something out of context and twist it
> so that you can blame it on the JOOOOOOOOOOOOS. You've just shown that you
> don't know diddly squat about folk music history, but your asscheeks still
> keep flapping.

What has knowledge about "folk" music got to do with foreclosure, Crazy?

BTW, Woody Guthrie is jewish.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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So, Crazy Jeannie, when are you going to get around to reading _The Turner
Diaries_ and posting a review of it?  Or was that just more liberal hot-air?

Les


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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Wobbie, that's totally irrelevant.  How stupid would a government
> : department, ANY government department, have to be to grant one penny to
> : sick fucks like Ceranos or Mapplethorpe?  By contrast, it doesn't take a
> : C.J. Jung to see that guys who like pissing in jars with crucifixes, or
> : stuffing bullwhips up the ass, are sickos who aren't producing art, but
> : trying to shock people.
> 
> I actually really like some of Mapplethorpe's stuff. 

Why am I NOT surprised?

> Most people don't 
> realize that he spent a lot of time taking pictures of flowers.  Nice, 
> soothing flowers.  These flowers are not engaging in any sexual 
> activity, or making obscene gestures of any kind.  They just is.  

So he spent most of his time with flowers.  Big deal.  He also spent some
time stuffing bullwhips up asses (his own, I think)
 
> Most of the stronger stuff is good too.  Knowing how to shock people is a 
> very good skill for an artist to have. 

But it shouldn't be the PRIMARY purpose of art.  If a joker like
Mapplethorpe can only get attention by being deliberately gross, it's
almost certainly because he CAN'T produce anything worthwhile.

> It's kind of what we keep them 
> around for, actually.  If it's calculated so as to get some people to 
> ask themselves _why_ they're so shocked by it, it's usually good art.  
> Lots of artists were considered pretty sick fucks by a lot of people in 
> their day, or they would have been had people paid any attention to them 
> at all.  

Thanks for the info.

Les



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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4m226b$at9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
(Graves believes that Robert Mathews "smoked" a "federal marshall" (sic). 
Liberals hate to see one Żof their own proven wrong.)
 
>> "Bobby" didn't smoke any federal marshall.  Face it, Graves, you don't
>> know the first thing about Aryans, so shut up and let the big boys talk.
 
> Of course, little man, Bobby did commit armed robbery at least three
> times, as well as forgery and fraud. Great Aryan, wasn't he  ?

Mind telling me, dip-shit, when armed robbery equals killing a "federal
marshall" (sic)?

Les




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Subject: Re: The Cross transcends race & culture
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alt.fan.don-imus (102404.3053@CompuServe.COM) writes:
> The cross of Christ, the blood stained one that was the key to 
> the freedom of mankind from the bondage of sin and death, 
> transcends racial and cultural barriers. In Christ's own words He 
> said that God's desire was that no man would be lost, but that 
> all would come to repentance.

Mind explaining to us how that means, "You will miscegenate yourselves out
of existence"?

It's stuff like this that makes me think that maybe Ceranos was on to
something.

Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
>>> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
>>> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
>>> venomous hatred imaginable.  
> 
>>"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.
> 
> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?

I work.
 
Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Arab entrepreneurs (was: Negroes aren't primitive?)
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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lvjs9$j78@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>>>The reason that the structures in Zimbabwe look "nothing like typical
>>>>Arabic buildings" is that they were built, by and large, with negro
>>>>construction.  Even with Arabic direction, there is only so much the
>>>>negroes could have accomplished.  This phenomenon of native incompetence
>>>>in construction was remarked upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to
>>>>the structures in India, and comparing them with what was done in England.
>>> 
>>> "Native incompetance in construction" in India, hmm?
>>> 
>>> Who built the Taj Mahal, Griswold?  The Greeks?
> 
>>So, Keith, mind explaining to me when the Taj Mahal became the Zimbabwe ruins?
> 
> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
> 
>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>    India..."
> 
> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.

*sigh*

But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.

Les




From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May  1 00:14:11 PDT 1996
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
> : edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X
> [snip]
> : What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
> : an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
> : their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
> : North African peoples.  
> 
> It's certainly lucky for them that the Egyptians and North Africans were 
> black or they wouldn't have any negro genes at all.

As I explained to Andy Panda, slaves don't count.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: To Mr. Rugg...
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Mr. Rugg, you seem to have a fixation with this "Khazar conversion" thing,
so if I might, I'd like to add something:


>From  _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X

"One of the oldest of racial old wives' tales attributes the origin
of the Ashkenazim (Eastern European Jews) to the conversion of the Turkish
tribe of Khazars to Judaism in the eighth century.  Arthur Koestler, a
novelist and essayist who in his lifetime has traversed the entire
ideological spectrum from Communist party activist to vitalism, wrote a
whole book on the subject [_The Thirteenth Tribe].  Intrigued by the
legend, A. E. Mourant, who specializes in blood group analysis, tested
thousands of Jews in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East and came to
the conclusion that a strain of genetic homogeneity does run through
Jewry, but not a Khazar strain.  Even in Russia, Mourant found very little
evidence of Khazar additions to the Jewish - or non-Jewish - gene pool. 
What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
North African peoples.  Another argument for a common Jewish biology is a
number of specifically Jewish genetic diseases:  Tay-Sachs, Niemann-Pick,
and Gaucher's."

You also seem to have this fixation of mistaking the APPEARANCE of jews
with their ESSENCE or CHARACTER.  Being as you are a Kooky Kristian, I'm
not surprised.  After all, the jews are the People of the Book, aren't
they?  So they couldn't POSSIBLY be other than white, could they?

You claim that you have eyes (presumably, you also have a brain).  Why
don't you re-read the 22nd chapter of Matthew and follow the advice to use
one's BRAIN as well as one's heart?  If you have eyes and a brain, and
STILL can't see what's going on around you, then you're too stupid for
belief.

Les
 


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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article <4m0dk5$qlf@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> 
>>> Now what other scientific facts from the early part of this century have 
>>> since been proven wrong?  Well, I could start with the calculation that a 
>>> lunar rocket is impossible because it would *have* to weigh a million tons.  
>>> And trains couldn't travel faster than, oh, 60 MPH because people would not 
>>> be able to breathe going that fast.
>>
>>Here we see the typical liberal respnse to uncomfortable facts:  SOME
>>things were wrong in the past, therefore ALL things were wrong in the
>>past.
> 
> Incorrect. Mr Morrison has made no claim that "ALL things were wrong in
> the past".

He has made no explicit claim, but he is implicitly trying to suggest that
anthropology that he disagrees with is somehow like astronomical errors.

> He has, however, correctly pointed out that the scientific "knowledge" of 
> 1911 has been superseded in many cases.

The operative word being, of course, "many".  That's opposed to "all".

Les





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John Morris (jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> On 30 Apr 1996 02:16:47 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>Ironic, isn't it, that where birth control could do the most good, it's shunned.
> 
> Yeah. Damn your parents anyway!

Har-de-har-har.  The fact remains, though, that Third Worlders are almost
unanimous in their rejection of what they SHOULD be accepting, while White
women use birth control at a much higher rate than they should.

Les




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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4lvki8$je1@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>> Wobbie, that's totally irrelevant.  How stupid would a government
>> department, ANY government department, have to be to grant one penny to
>> sick fucks like Ceranos or Mapplethorpe?  By contrast, it doesn't take a
>> C.J. Jung to see that guys who like pissing in jars with crucifixes, or
>> stuffing bullwhips up the ass, are sickos who aren't producing art, but
>> trying to shock people.
> 
> Relying on some experience administering gov't-funded programs, I can tell
> you that, (in this case), federal art dollars are distributed according to
> overwhelmingly art-related guidelines. In a country of roughly 250 million
> people, the feds can't even attempt to fully investigate all possible
> applicants. It's just the way it is. The public can have input into the
> formulation of most program guidelines, however, provided that somebody's
> willing to travel a long way to sit through some really dreadful meetings.

If the government is not willing to take itself seriously, then why should
anyone else be expected to?
 
> And BTW, lots o' folks think that one of the functions of art IS to shock
> people.

They're wrong.
  
>> > You must not get out much.
>> 
>> Why?  Because I don't share your definition of "art"?
> 
> No. That was a cheap shot for which I, with a minimum of sincerity, apologize.

Apology (minimally) accepted.
      
>> Yet again, it's because he's a sick fuck.
> 
> Mr. Mathis was kind enough to verify that both the artists in question got
> American NEA dollars.
> 
> Yet again, why is that any of your goalie-sniffin' business?!?

Because the government in Canada and the government in the U.S.A. are just
two manifestations of the SAME sickness, and the White populations of
America/Canada are both overwhelmingly WHITE, separated by a fictional
line at the 49th paralell.  As I explained to your charming, demure (gag!)
wife, I'm concerned with ANYTHING that affects MY RACE.

Les




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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : In article <4krd1s$hbh@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>
> :            nich40@ix.netcom.com(The "The Generalissimo" writes:
> 
> : > >>>Right you are!  Those little gooks can steal and copy things better
> : > than anyone!
> : > 
> 
> : Just like Europeans stole printing from the Chinese.
> 
> And metalwork from the Africans, and crop growing techniques from the
> Native Americans, numbers from the Arabs.

Oh, for fuck's sake...

Les




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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

> List a single thing you have built or contributed to Western Civilization
> gris-gris. 

*yawn*

Here we go again.  I might ask you the same thing, Jacob, but you've made
it plain that you aren't willing to come forth with any personal
information, to prove once and for all that you have umpteen-million
patents, and that you work where you imply (but never state) that you do. 

> Go back into your miserable ancestry, an ancestry that has
> produced a 70 to 85 IQ person who is only able to work as a security guard,
> and a list a single contribution they have made to Western Civilization. 

James!  How unconscionably racist!  Negroes don't have 70 to 85 IQs! 
That's cultural bias!

What, dear boy, do you have against security guards?

> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
> venomous hatred imaginable.  

"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.

> What a legacy for your children, in later years when asked what their father
> did they can say he spent his time on the internet spewing hatred.  You are
> a most miserable creep. 

This concern for my future, James, it's so... touching.  I'm really moved
to tears by your empathy.

Les



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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> > In article <199604231932.MAA01401@infinity.c2.org>
> >            whitewolf@alpha.c2.org  writes:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> >> Few seemed to graps the gravity of the problem of TWO MILLION CHINKS
> >> that are going to arrive in England!!
> >
> > Two million people from Hong Kong are *not* going to be coming
> > to the UK. They have passports which entitle them to enter the UK
> > if they want. It doesn't mean all 2 million want to move to Britain.
> 
> It doesn't mean they don't want to, either.  So tell me, wise one, where
> might these chinee go if they don't go to Merry Olde England?


Some will undoubtedly end up in Canada (and to a lesser extent Australia) as well, but 
most will stay put in a better business environment.


> 
> (snip)
> 
> >> All this coming on St. George's Day, he must be turning in his grave!!!
> >
> > I doubt you racist wankers would have called St. George "white".
> 
> So what was he, Caesar?  Is this going to be one of those "Every great
> historical figure was BLACK, man!" diatribes?
> 
> Les


Every great man was black?!! Jeez, I didn't know that Les..!

eB


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Subject: Re: america is multicultural
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Anonymous (nobody@flame.alias.net) writes:
> america is multicultural, and it is time that racists accepted that.

You mean "multiracial".  But just because a situation exists, it does NOT
follow that we must "accept" it.  That's like saying "Rapes occur, and it is 
time that people accepted that."

Les



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Subject: Re: Robbie's sig (was: I may not be able to define art...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4m0dcd$qia@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - a whole bunch of stuff about foreclosure)

> * > Obviously, we make our mortgage payment on time every month. Dork.
> *  
> * That's nice for you, Crazy, but I said HEARD of foreclosure, not
> * EXPERIENCED foreclosure.  There IS a difference, twat.
> 
> Of course I've heard of foreclosure, putz. If you had a clue about Rob's
> sig or its reference, you'd know that Woody was writing about Pretty Boy
> Floyd, a guy who robbed banks in the South during the Great
> Depression/Dust Bowl and gave much of the proceeds to farmers who were
> about to lose their property.

Well, colour ME embarrassed!  I mean, I SHOULD have known that Wobbie's
sig referred to Pretty Boy Floyd, it's just so obvious!
 
> * Also, it's nice to know that you think everyone is JUST LIKE YOU.  Never
> * heard of downsizing?  Losing one's job, or for whatever reason, not
> * being able to make the mortgage/tax payments on one's property, and having
> * those NICE PEOPLE at the (jewish-owned) banks foreclosing, with the threat
> * of legal action?
> 
> We can always count on you to take something out of context and twist it
> so that you can blame it on the JOOOOOOOOOOOOS. You've just shown that you
> don't know diddly squat about folk music history, but your asscheeks still
> keep flapping.

What has knowledge about "folk" music got to do with foreclosure, Crazy?

BTW, Woody Guthrie is jewish.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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So, Crazy Jeannie, when are you going to get around to reading _The Turner
Diaries_ and posting a review of it?  Or was that just more liberal hot-air?

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Stewie on R.M.'s "art"
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Wobbie, that's totally irrelevant.  How stupid would a government
> : department, ANY government department, have to be to grant one penny to
> : sick fucks like Ceranos or Mapplethorpe?  By contrast, it doesn't take a
> : C.J. Jung to see that guys who like pissing in jars with crucifixes, or
> : stuffing bullwhips up the ass, are sickos who aren't producing art, but
> : trying to shock people.
> 
> I actually really like some of Mapplethorpe's stuff. 

Why am I NOT surprised?

> Most people don't 
> realize that he spent a lot of time taking pictures of flowers.  Nice, 
> soothing flowers.  These flowers are not engaging in any sexual 
> activity, or making obscene gestures of any kind.  They just is.  

So he spent most of his time with flowers.  Big deal.  He also spent some
time stuffing bullwhips up asses (his own, I think)
 
> Most of the stronger stuff is good too.  Knowing how to shock people is a 
> very good skill for an artist to have. 

But it shouldn't be the PRIMARY purpose of art.  If a joker like
Mapplethorpe can only get attention by being deliberately gross, it's
almost certainly because he CAN'T produce anything worthwhile.

> It's kind of what we keep them 
> around for, actually.  If it's calculated so as to get some people to 
> ask themselves _why_ they're so shocked by it, it's usually good art.  
> Lots of artists were considered pretty sick fucks by a lot of people in 
> their day, or they would have been had people paid any attention to them 
> at all.  

Thanks for the info.

Les



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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4m226b$at9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
(Graves believes that Robert Mathews "smoked" a "federal marshall" (sic). 
Liberals hate to see one Żof their own proven wrong.)
 
>> "Bobby" didn't smoke any federal marshall.  Face it, Graves, you don't
>> know the first thing about Aryans, so shut up and let the big boys talk.
 
> Of course, little man, Bobby did commit armed robbery at least three
> times, as well as forgery and fraud. Great Aryan, wasn't he  ?

Mind telling me, dip-shit, when armed robbery equals killing a "federal
marshall" (sic)?

Les




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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

> Oh, and speaking of fulsome praise, Les--I saw you out 'n about the other
> day...  That was quite an "interesting" (and I use that word only in the
> most amused way) ensemble you had on.  I must commend you (offer fulsome
> praise?) on your creativity, garment-wise.

This, of course, is the jewish/liberal game of intimidation, ie "I can see
you".

Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
>>> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
>>> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
>>> venomous hatred imaginable.  
> 
>>"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.
> 
> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?

I work.
 
Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lvjs9$j78@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>>>The reason that the structures in Zimbabwe look "nothing like typical
>>>>Arabic buildings" is that they were built, by and large, with negro
>>>>construction.  Even with Arabic direction, there is only so much the
>>>>negroes could have accomplished.  This phenomenon of native incompetence
>>>>in construction was remarked upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to
>>>>the structures in India, and comparing them with what was done in England.
>>> 
>>> "Native incompetance in construction" in India, hmm?
>>> 
>>> Who built the Taj Mahal, Griswold?  The Greeks?
> 
>>So, Keith, mind explaining to me when the Taj Mahal became the Zimbabwe ruins?
> 
> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
> 
>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>    India..."
> 
> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.

*sigh*

But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.

Les




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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
> : edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X
> [snip]
> : What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
> : an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
> : their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
> : North African peoples.  
> 
> It's certainly lucky for them that the Egyptians and North Africans were 
> black or they wouldn't have any negro genes at all.

As I explained to Andy Panda, slaves don't count.

Les



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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article <4m0dk5$qlf@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> 
>>> Now what other scientific facts from the early part of this century have 
>>> since been proven wrong?  Well, I could start with the calculation that a 
>>> lunar rocket is impossible because it would *have* to weigh a million tons.  
>>> And trains couldn't travel faster than, oh, 60 MPH because people would not 
>>> be able to breathe going that fast.
>>
>>Here we see the typical liberal respnse to uncomfortable facts:  SOME
>>things were wrong in the past, therefore ALL things were wrong in the
>>past.
> 
> Incorrect. Mr Morrison has made no claim that "ALL things were wrong in
> the past".

He has made no explicit claim, but he is implicitly trying to suggest that
anthropology that he disagrees with is somehow like astronomical errors.

> He has, however, correctly pointed out that the scientific "knowledge" of 
> 1911 has been superseded in many cases.

The operative word being, of course, "many".  That's opposed to "all".

Les





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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> 
> Stalked by Jews, huh, Les?  Darling, you should be so lucky as to have
> reason for your abnormal paranoia.  Maybe then *someone* would take you
> seriously.

Jenny-poo, you keep up with this "darling" stuff, and you could damage my
reputation as an "anti-semite".  Wouldn't want that, now would we?

>>> Oh, and speaking of fulsome praise, Les--I saw you out 'n about the other
>>> day...  That was quite an "interesting" (and I use that word only in the
>>> most amused way) ensemble you had on.  I must commend you (offer fulsome
>>> praise?) on your creativity, garment-wise.
>> 
>> This, of course, is the jewish/liberal game of intimidation, ie "I can see
>> you".
> 
> ...and indeed I could, much to my own slightly nauseated amusement.  You
> *are* good for a giggle, aren't you, Lester?

Well, come on by, say hi next time, maybe we can go for a cheeseburger or
something...

(Ooh, I ARE bad, aren't I?)

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May  1 00:17:41 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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John Morris (jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> On 30 Apr 1996 02:16:47 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>Ironic, isn't it, that where birth control could do the most good, it's shunned.
> 
> Yeah. Damn your parents anyway!

Har-de-har-har.  The fact remains, though, that Third Worlders are almost
unanimous in their rejection of what they SHOULD be accepting, while White
women use birth control at a much higher rate than they should.

Les




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Jeffrey G. Brown (jeff_brown@pol.com) writes:
> In article <4m0dk5$qlf@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> 
>>> Now what other scientific facts from the early part of this century have 
>>> since been proven wrong?  Well, I could start with the calculation that a 
>>> lunar rocket is impossible because it would *have* to weigh a million tons.  
>>> And trains couldn't travel faster than, oh, 60 MPH because people would not 
>>> be able to breathe going that fast.
>>
>>Here we see the typical liberal respnse to uncomfortable facts:  SOME
>>things were wrong in the past, therefore ALL things were wrong in the
>>past.
> 
> Incorrect. Mr Morrison has made no claim that "ALL things were wrong in
> the past".

He has made no explicit claim, but he is implicitly trying to suggest that
anthropology that he disagrees with is somehow like astronomical errors.

> He has, however, correctly pointed out that the scientific "knowledge" of 
> 1911 has been superseded in many cases.

The operative word being, of course, "many".  That's opposed to "all".

Les





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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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John Morris (jmorris@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
> On 30 Apr 1996 02:16:47 GMT, bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
> wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>Ironic, isn't it, that where birth control could do the most good, it's shunned.
> 
> Yeah. Damn your parents anyway!

Har-de-har-har.  The fact remains, though, that Third Worlders are almost
unanimous in their rejection of what they SHOULD be accepting, while White
women use birth control at a much higher rate than they should.

Les




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Ken McVay OBC (kmcvay@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca) writes:
> In article <4m0jq1$2t1@boris.eden.com>, mcurtis@eden.com (Mike Curtis) wrote:
> 
> [Mr. Griswold's great words of wisdom]
> 
>>Yup, more personal attacks without substance. I guess you have nothing
>>to offer here Griswold. 
> 
> That is not true, Mr. Curtis. _Everything_ Mr. Griswold says
> is of the utmost importance. I felt so strongly about this
> that I mentioned his name during a Parliamentary committee
> meeting today. 

Parliament has a court jester?
 
> I really think Canada should have an opportunity to
> observe Mr. Griswold with his mouth moving.
> 
> The laughter would rebound from Moncton to Moose's Armpit,
> Alberta, and Les Griswold would become the defacto Canadian
> Twit of the Month.
> 
> He deserves this recognition! 
> I fully intend to see to it that he gets it.

An effort to lose me my job, perhaps?

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Robbie's sig (was: I may not be able to define art...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (whacko@rubberroom.com) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
> * Well, colour ME embarrassed!  I mean, I SHOULD have known that Wobbie's
> * sig referred to Pretty Boy Floyd, it's just so obvious!
> 
> It is obvious to people familiar with Woody Guthrie's songs. 

Geez, am I ever red again!  I don't have the encyclopaedic knowledge of
Woody Guthrie ditties that you do!

(big snip - you all know how Crazy likes to go on and on)

> * What has knowledge about "folk" music got to do with foreclosure, Crazy?
> 
> This particular folk song was about foreclosure, and you did not have a
> clue. You still don't.

Well, la-de-dah.  Woody can sing about foreclosures till the cows come
home, but the simple fact is, he still doesn't know shit about them. 
OBVIOUSLY men with six-shooters don't have a reputation for driving
families from their homes.  Funny that Woody would pick a safe topic like
that to address, instead of how the friendly banks foreclose essentially
whenever they feel like it.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4m4m7h$75h@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Gandhi defending Graves, who alleged that "Bobby" Mathews "smoked"
a "federal marshall" (sic))

>> > Of course, little man, Bobby did commit armed robbery at least three
>> > times, as well as forgery and fraud. Great Aryan, wasn't he  ?
>> 
>> Mind telling me, dip-shit, when armed robbery equals killing a "federal
>> marshall" (sic)?
> 
> Well, little man, I never claimed that it did. But your hero Bobby is at
> the least an aryan who saw fit to commit armed robbery not once, not
> twice, but at least three times.

True.  But the topic of discussion was whether he had "smoked" a "federal
marshall", and that it demonstrated that Graves couldn't keep even something 
so simple straight in his little mind.
 
> Whether or not he killed a U.S. Marshal I do not know,

So find out, paki.

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

A.M.: 
>>> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?
> 
>>I work.
>> 
> You have an amazing grasp of the obvious, really.
> 
> What job do you do?

Oh, I suppose that I'm supposed to fall on my knees because one of G-d's
Self-Chosen Guttersnipes wants to know?

Ask McGoyVay.  He seems to find it amusing to follow people and make
little of honest work.

Les




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Rob "Yes dear, anything you say dear" Kowalewski (robk@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4lvki8$je1@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>> Wobbie, that's totally irrelevant.  How stupid would a government
>> department, ANY government department, have to be to grant one penny to
>> sick fucks like Ceranos or Mapplethorpe?  By contrast, it doesn't take a
>> C.J. Jung to see that guys who like pissing in jars with crucifixes, or
>> stuffing bullwhips up the ass, are sickos who aren't producing art, but
>> trying to shock people.
> 
> Relying on some experience administering gov't-funded programs, I can tell
> you that, (in this case), federal art dollars are distributed according to
> overwhelmingly art-related guidelines. In a country of roughly 250 million
> people, the feds can't even attempt to fully investigate all possible
> applicants. It's just the way it is. The public can have input into the
> formulation of most program guidelines, however, provided that somebody's
> willing to travel a long way to sit through some really dreadful meetings.

If the government is not willing to take itself seriously, then why should
anyone else be expected to?
 
> And BTW, lots o' folks think that one of the functions of art IS to shock
> people.

They're wrong.
  
>> > You must not get out much.
>> 
>> Why?  Because I don't share your definition of "art"?
> 
> No. That was a cheap shot for which I, with a minimum of sincerity, apologize.

Apology (minimally) accepted.
      
>> Yet again, it's because he's a sick fuck.
> 
> Mr. Mathis was kind enough to verify that both the artists in question got
> American NEA dollars.
> 
> Yet again, why is that any of your goalie-sniffin' business?!?

Because the government in Canada and the government in the U.S.A. are just
two manifestations of the SAME sickness, and the White populations of
America/Canada are both overwhelmingly WHITE, separated by a fictional
line at the 49th paralell.  As I explained to your charming, demure (gag!)
wife, I'm concerned with ANYTHING that affects MY RACE.

Les




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Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@pyrotechnics.com) writes:
> Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> : In article <4krd1s$hbh@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>
> :            nich40@ix.netcom.com(The "The Generalissimo" writes:
> 
> : > >>>Right you are!  Those little gooks can steal and copy things better
> : > than anyone!
> : > 
> 
> : Just like Europeans stole printing from the Chinese.
> 
> And metalwork from the Africans, and crop growing techniques from the
> Native Americans, numbers from the Arabs.

Oh, for fuck's sake...

Les




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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

> List a single thing you have built or contributed to Western Civilization
> gris-gris. 

*yawn*

Here we go again.  I might ask you the same thing, Jacob, but you've made
it plain that you aren't willing to come forth with any personal
information, to prove once and for all that you have umpteen-million
patents, and that you work where you imply (but never state) that you do. 

> Go back into your miserable ancestry, an ancestry that has
> produced a 70 to 85 IQ person who is only able to work as a security guard,
> and a list a single contribution they have made to Western Civilization. 

James!  How unconscionably racist!  Negroes don't have 70 to 85 IQs! 
That's cultural bias!

What, dear boy, do you have against security guards?

> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
> venomous hatred imaginable.  

"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.

> What a legacy for your children, in later years when asked what their father
> did they can say he spent his time on the internet spewing hatred.  You are
> a most miserable creep. 

This concern for my future, James, it's so... touching.  I'm really moved
to tears by your empathy.

Les



From stefan@scott.net Wed May  1 07:56:02 PDT 1996
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From: evil Beavis 
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Subject: Re: Asian invasion of England!
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Les Griswold wrote:
> 
> Caesar (Caesar@augur.demon.co.uk) writes:
> > In article <199604231932.MAA01401@infinity.c2.org>
> >            whitewolf@alpha.c2.org  writes:
> 
> (snip)
> 
> >> Few seemed to graps the gravity of the problem of TWO MILLION CHINKS
> >> that are going to arrive in England!!
> >
> > Two million people from Hong Kong are *not* going to be coming
> > to the UK. They have passports which entitle them to enter the UK
> > if they want. It doesn't mean all 2 million want to move to Britain.
> 
> It doesn't mean they don't want to, either.  So tell me, wise one, where
> might these chinee go if they don't go to Merry Olde England?


Some will undoubtedly end up in Canada (and to a lesser extent Australia) as well, but 
most will stay put in a better business environment.


> 
> (snip)
> 
> >> All this coming on St. George's Day, he must be turning in his grave!!!
> >
> > I doubt you racist wankers would have called St. George "white".
> 
> So what was he, Caesar?  Is this going to be one of those "Every great
> historical figure was BLACK, man!" diatribes?
> 
> Les


Every great man was black?!! Jeez, I didn't know that Les..!

eB


From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May  1 07:56:03 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: america is multicultural
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Anonymous (nobody@flame.alias.net) writes:
> america is multicultural, and it is time that racists accepted that.

You mean "multiracial".  But just because a situation exists, it does NOT
follow that we must "accept" it.  That's like saying "Rapes occur, and it is 
time that people accepted that."

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4m0dcd$qia@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> * Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:

(snip - a whole bunch of stuff about foreclosure)

> * > Obviously, we make our mortgage payment on time every month. Dork.
> *  
> * That's nice for you, Crazy, but I said HEARD of foreclosure, not
> * EXPERIENCED foreclosure.  There IS a difference, twat.
> 
> Of course I've heard of foreclosure, putz. If you had a clue about Rob's
> sig or its reference, you'd know that Woody was writing about Pretty Boy
> Floyd, a guy who robbed banks in the South during the Great
> Depression/Dust Bowl and gave much of the proceeds to farmers who were
> about to lose their property.

Well, colour ME embarrassed!  I mean, I SHOULD have known that Wobbie's
sig referred to Pretty Boy Floyd, it's just so obvious!
 
> * Also, it's nice to know that you think everyone is JUST LIKE YOU.  Never
> * heard of downsizing?  Losing one's job, or for whatever reason, not
> * being able to make the mortgage/tax payments on one's property, and having
> * those NICE PEOPLE at the (jewish-owned) banks foreclosing, with the threat
> * of legal action?
> 
> We can always count on you to take something out of context and twist it
> so that you can blame it on the JOOOOOOOOOOOOS. You've just shown that you
> don't know diddly squat about folk music history, but your asscheeks still
> keep flapping.

What has knowledge about "folk" music got to do with foreclosure, Crazy?

BTW, Woody Guthrie is jewish.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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So, Crazy Jeannie, when are you going to get around to reading _The Turner
Diaries_ and posting a review of it?  Or was that just more liberal hot-air?

Les


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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> 
> : Wobbie, that's totally irrelevant.  How stupid would a government
> : department, ANY government department, have to be to grant one penny to
> : sick fucks like Ceranos or Mapplethorpe?  By contrast, it doesn't take a
> : C.J. Jung to see that guys who like pissing in jars with crucifixes, or
> : stuffing bullwhips up the ass, are sickos who aren't producing art, but
> : trying to shock people.
> 
> I actually really like some of Mapplethorpe's stuff. 

Why am I NOT surprised?

> Most people don't 
> realize that he spent a lot of time taking pictures of flowers.  Nice, 
> soothing flowers.  These flowers are not engaging in any sexual 
> activity, or making obscene gestures of any kind.  They just is.  

So he spent most of his time with flowers.  Big deal.  He also spent some
time stuffing bullwhips up asses (his own, I think)
 
> Most of the stronger stuff is good too.  Knowing how to shock people is a 
> very good skill for an artist to have. 

But it shouldn't be the PRIMARY purpose of art.  If a joker like
Mapplethorpe can only get attention by being deliberately gross, it's
almost certainly because he CAN'T produce anything worthwhile.

> It's kind of what we keep them 
> around for, actually.  If it's calculated so as to get some people to 
> ask themselves _why_ they're so shocked by it, it's usually good art.  
> Lots of artists were considered pretty sick fucks by a lot of people in 
> their day, or they would have been had people paid any attention to them 
> at all.  

Thanks for the info.

Les



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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4m226b$at9@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
(Graves believes that Robert Mathews "smoked" a "federal marshall" (sic). 
Liberals hate to see one Żof their own proven wrong.)
 
>> "Bobby" didn't smoke any federal marshall.  Face it, Graves, you don't
>> know the first thing about Aryans, so shut up and let the big boys talk.
 
> Of course, little man, Bobby did commit armed robbery at least three
> times, as well as forgery and fraud. Great Aryan, wasn't he  ?

Mind telling me, dip-shit, when armed robbery equals killing a "federal
marshall" (sic)?

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

(snip)

> Oh, and speaking of fulsome praise, Les--I saw you out 'n about the other
> day...  That was quite an "interesting" (and I use that word only in the
> most amused way) ensemble you had on.  I must commend you (offer fulsome
> praise?) on your creativity, garment-wise.

This, of course, is the jewish/liberal game of intimidation, ie "I can see
you".

Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
>>> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
>>> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
>>> venomous hatred imaginable.  
> 
>>"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.
> 
> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?

I work.
 
Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lvjs9$j78@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>>>The reason that the structures in Zimbabwe look "nothing like typical
>>>>Arabic buildings" is that they were built, by and large, with negro
>>>>construction.  Even with Arabic direction, there is only so much the
>>>>negroes could have accomplished.  This phenomenon of native incompetence
>>>>in construction was remarked upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to
>>>>the structures in India, and comparing them with what was done in England.
>>> 
>>> "Native incompetance in construction" in India, hmm?
>>> 
>>> Who built the Taj Mahal, Griswold?  The Greeks?
> 
>>So, Keith, mind explaining to me when the Taj Mahal became the Zimbabwe ruins?
> 
> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
> 
>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>    India..."
> 
> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.

*sigh*

But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Stewart King (slking@husc7.harvard.edu) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> : From _The Dispossessed Majority_, by Wilmot Robertson, 3rd revised
> : edition, page 31.  ISBN 0-914576-16-X
> [snip]
> : What Mourant and two associates did find was that Jews as a whole exhibit
> : an admixture of 5-10 percent Negro genes, which they may have picked up in
> : their stay in ancient Egypt and through subsequent miscegenation with
> : North African peoples.  
> 
> It's certainly lucky for them that the Egyptians and North Africans were 
> black or they wouldn't have any negro genes at all.

As I explained to Andy Panda, slaves don't count.

Les



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Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> Les Griswold (bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
>> Jenn Starkman (bb374@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:
> 
> Stalked by Jews, huh, Les?  Darling, you should be so lucky as to have
> reason for your abnormal paranoia.  Maybe then *someone* would take you
> seriously.

Jenny-poo, you keep up with this "darling" stuff, and you could damage my
reputation as an "anti-semite".  Wouldn't want that, now would we?

>>> Oh, and speaking of fulsome praise, Les--I saw you out 'n about the other
>>> day...  That was quite an "interesting" (and I use that word only in the
>>> most amused way) ensemble you had on.  I must commend you (offer fulsome
>>> praise?) on your creativity, garment-wise.
>> 
>> This, of course, is the jewish/liberal game of intimidation, ie "I can see
>> you".
> 
> ...and indeed I could, much to my own slightly nauseated amusement.  You
> *are* good for a giggle, aren't you, Lester?

Well, come on by, say hi next time, maybe we can go for a cheeseburger or
something...

(Ooh, I ARE bad, aren't I?)

Les



From bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Wed May  1 07:56:18 PDT 1996
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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
Newsgroups: alt.discrimination,alt.politics.white-power
Subject: Re: White Trash Porno Stars
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (jeannek@rio.com) writes:
> In article <4m0ff8$r7a@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
> * MarK Paul (rome1v@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> * > MarK Paul wrote:
> * >> 
> * >> Let's get real, there is good and bad in every race...What a novel
> * >> idea.  Morality has no ethnic bounds, have you seen any porno movies
> * >> of late with the most beautiful white women in the world acting like
> * >> APES in heat.
> * 
> * White women may ACT like apes in heat, but negresses LOOK like apes in
> * heat, and that's a fact, Jack.
> 
> You've been watching those Tarzan movies again, haven't you? Shit, you
> probably make Sylvie yodel like Jane everytime you move just to make you
> feel like a man.

Oh, look who's talking, Miss "I'll convince everyone that I have a REAL
life by constantly talking about it!" 

> * >> As a White Man I am starting to believe that Norhhern
> * >> European Women, from my experience, have the lowest morals of any race.
> * 
> * If you're so easily duped, then you're no sort of man.
> 
> Tell Sylvie that she reminds you of an ape the next time that you wanna
> get lucky, then we'll know what sort of man you really are.

Why would I lie?

Les





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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Subject: Re: Robbie's sig (was: I may not be able to define art...)
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Crazy Jeannie Kowalewski (whacko@rubberroom.com) writes:

(snip)

Moi:
> * Well, colour ME embarrassed!  I mean, I SHOULD have known that Wobbie's
> * sig referred to Pretty Boy Floyd, it's just so obvious!
> 
> It is obvious to people familiar with Woody Guthrie's songs. 

Geez, am I ever red again!  I don't have the encyclopaedic knowledge of
Woody Guthrie ditties that you do!

(big snip - you all know how Crazy likes to go on and on)

> * What has knowledge about "folk" music got to do with foreclosure, Crazy?
> 
> This particular folk song was about foreclosure, and you did not have a
> clue. You still don't.

Well, la-de-dah.  Woody can sing about foreclosures till the cows come
home, but the simple fact is, he still doesn't know shit about them. 
OBVIOUSLY men with six-shooters don't have a reputation for driving
families from their homes.  Funny that Woody would pick a safe topic like
that to address, instead of how the friendly banks foreclose essentially
whenever they feel like it.

Les




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From: bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold)
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Rajiv K. Gandhi (anakin@pinc.com) writes:
> In article <4m4m7h$75h@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

(snip - Gandhi defending Graves, who alleged that "Bobby" Mathews "smoked"
a "federal marshall" (sic))

>> > Of course, little man, Bobby did commit armed robbery at least three
>> > times, as well as forgery and fraud. Great Aryan, wasn't he  ?
>> 
>> Mind telling me, dip-shit, when armed robbery equals killing a "federal
>> marshall" (sic)?
> 
> Well, little man, I never claimed that it did. But your hero Bobby is at
> the least an aryan who saw fit to commit armed robbery not once, not
> twice, but at least three times.

True.  But the topic of discussion was whether he had "smoked" a "federal
marshall", and that it demonstrated that Graves couldn't keep even something 
so simple straight in his little mind.
 
> Whether or not he killed a U.S. Marshal I do not know,

So find out, paki.

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

A.M.: 
>>> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?
> 
>>I work.
>> 
> You have an amazing grasp of the obvious, really.
> 
> What job do you do?

Oh, I suppose that I'm supposed to fall on my knees because one of G-d's
Self-Chosen Guttersnipes wants to know?

Ask McGoyVay.  He seems to find it amusing to follow people and make
little of honest work.

Les




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"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

> List a single thing you have built or contributed to Western Civilization
> gris-gris. 

*yawn*

Here we go again.  I might ask you the same thing, Jacob, but you've made
it plain that you aren't willing to come forth with any personal
information, to prove once and for all that you have umpteen-million
patents, and that you work where you imply (but never state) that you do. 

> Go back into your miserable ancestry, an ancestry that has
> produced a 70 to 85 IQ person who is only able to work as a security guard,
> and a list a single contribution they have made to Western Civilization. 

James!  How unconscionably racist!  Negroes don't have 70 to 85 IQs! 
That's cultural bias!

What, dear boy, do you have against security guards?

> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
> venomous hatred imaginable.  

"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.

> What a legacy for your children, in later years when asked what their father
> did they can say he spent his time on the internet spewing hatred.  You are
> a most miserable creep. 

This concern for my future, James, it's so... touching.  I'm really moved
to tears by your empathy.

Les



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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:
> 
>>"James White" (white@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:

(snip)

>>> You gris-gris are at the bottom of a multi cultural civilization.  Almost
>>> everyone is ahead of you.  Yet instead of trying to better yourself and the
>>> lives of your children you sit on the net all day and spew the most
>>> venomous hatred imaginable.  
> 
>>"All day"?  Get a grip, Jimbolina.
> 
> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?

I work.
 
Les




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MORRISON  KEITH MURRAY (t08o@unb.ca) writes:
> In article <4lvjs9$j78@freenet-news.carleton.ca> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) writes:
> 
>>>>The reason that the structures in Zimbabwe look "nothing like typical
>>>>Arabic buildings" is that they were built, by and large, with negro
>>>>construction.  Even with Arabic direction, there is only so much the
>>>>negroes could have accomplished.  This phenomenon of native incompetence
>>>>in construction was remarked upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to
>>>>the structures in India, and comparing them with what was done in England.
>>> 
>>> "Native incompetance in construction" in India, hmm?
>>> 
>>> Who built the Taj Mahal, Griswold?  The Greeks?
> 
>>So, Keith, mind explaining to me when the Taj Mahal became the Zimbabwe ruins?
> 
> Nothing.  However *you* claimed
> 
>   "This phenomenon of native incompetance in construction was remarked
>    upon by many Englishmen, who were referring to the structures in
>    India..."
> 
> So I'm curious.  You obviously hold that what they said is correct and yet 
> the Taj Mahal exists and was built by the natives.  I would bet that most 
> people would say, based on at least this example, that your idea about 
> Indian architecture is wrong.  And if this is true it tends to draw 
> suspicion on your ideas of African architecture.

*sigh*

But the Taj Mahal is NOT the only building in India, cherry.  Further, the
Taj Mahal was designed by the higher castes in India.  To suggest that the
Taj Mahal is typical of what the Dravidians could build is like suggesting
that the Picts built Buckingham Palace.

Les




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Andrew Mathis (fresh@panix.com) writes:
> bn946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Les Griswold) wrote:

A.M.: 
>>> What, pray tell then, do you do for a living, Les?
> 
>>I work.
>> 
> You have an amazing grasp of the obvious, really.
> 
> What job do you do?

Oh, I suppose that I'm supposed to fall on my knees because one of G-d's
Self-Chosen Guttersnipes wants to know?

Ask McGoyVay.  He seems to find it amusing to follow people and make
little of honest work.

Les





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